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Nat & Mike review Black Monday

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Nat & Mike review Black Monday

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Who might be heading into the frame for those vacancies? So it's a coaching carousel special on the net. COON show this week. Forget what back for right with a wildcard call. We can preview comedian all but in the House that should be fun. ESPN HP's that drops. Friday but this show all about the coaches enjoy happy new year and Mike Happy New Year guys. You know it's gotta be a better decade than the last one better year than last trek. It wasn't so bad in some ways the whole decade there was the highpoint. Did it as well as as well as leverage. Yeah fresh how many decades now on a lot they say yeah you see I came. I came along. I came along in a second year of a decade. And so that means I I see I see a whole lot of somber note all happy to sporting but but Samba two deaths already. I David Stern the commissioner the NBA Who you could say was probably after Pete? Rozelle the most influential commissioner in American sports certainly responsible for opening up the Olympics to professionals You know he knew like Roselle he knew what he had in a new what what to do with it At the TV was going to make the NFL big and Stern recognized that the sort of new TV and the ESPN and Sports Center. And all that was going to help make the NBA big and then just last night. Don Larsen die who Was A pitcher for the New York Yankees. Akis who through the only perfect game in world series history I'd say he was a Journeyman pitcher But he threw this one great game and and beat the Brooklyn Dodgers Yogi. Berra jumped into his arms out after the last pitch. It's a nice little story is that there's a good clip of it on. ESPN if you want to look at it go check it out. That's a dead nine hundred loss from seeing. He loved those stories. Where you have as you said Giradi Mona and that's all right? It's easy to do that. Sometimes when somebody is playing for the Yankees made is appropriate. Because they're not a superstar eater right off these careers that people that have made the old base way but never really do anything exceptional loss in Magister at that moment in his career as well as Gelo is remembered for with Stun Mike. Yeah the era wise because obviously it was a Jordan shock Eight hundred nine hundred. That his heyday radio. Yeah he he. I was lucky in a sense because he came in the NBA was at a low point sort of in the late seventies and he came in in time to ride the Larry Bird. Magic Johnson an rivalry which sort of started bringing back fans. Who who you know have looked at the late? Seventies Games is being a bunch of overpaid drug addicts running up and down the court with no no reason and that of course Jordan came along to add to that and then as you say shack and a couple of other superstars and he knew that the League would sell itself itself on superstars and he was again. Lucky in that sort of sportscenter twenty four hour cable thing needed superstars and needed spectacular plays in the new the NBA was going to offer that and he had the vision to like connect with international basketball and with the IOC an To help with the whole they'll pop culture connection as well absolutely yeah and and the music came along and you know in the NBA had an amazing growth internationally nationally and still has big spot internationally and of course the NBA's full of of foreign players as international basketball catches up very quickly with with the United States but was knocked for those. I guess my question. Stern presided over that growth. In that pop culture crossover with hip hop but didn't detractors traction that felt exploitative there I don't think so I don't. I don't think it went too far. You know in the sense of the tail wagging the dog and I think it's interesting that Jay Z has hooked up with the NFL at this point as an but he just he managed to also keep he he managed to keep the league going forward positively for virtually all of his reign. Ask This guy's commissioner which is a very difficult thing to do in in pros in any pro sport because the owners have different you know different visions of what they WANNA do. The players the players the players association you have to work with and and basically as the Pie was growing. He kept everybody happy there. I I think he did a really good job for what it was part from. You know being accused of faking the draft so that Patrick Ewing would go to the New York Knicks which which I still believe in that conspiracy theory go to the video. It's in the ZAP router film the NBA joy out of a bag. Like if I drove it was it was like that and in an envelope the open and you know the conspiracy theorists would say oh. There's his hand you know you can see looking for the. The idea was say said one of them. They kept in a freezer so he could tell which was that was. That was the conspiracy. Theory doesn't make any sense that they would tried favors. Such a small market team is the Knicks by for. Ah wrote a poem about Don Larsen. I wrote a poem about Darn Larson which has been published in a number of places. I'll find put it up but let's stick that out Mike. He plays audio Apache on. Call it a week and then captured patron on iron mike versus the machine. You want the final update. I think the bean looking forward to anything more than the final updated. That's right well going. In as as I said you know we the machine accu score and I were tied at the NFL. Pick Watch site. Although I'm not on the pick watch site although the the guys have been in touch with me and I probably will be. If we continue in the future you can pick pick of course next season probably yeah legend Okay and then and then so going into week seventeen. Though we had each been pat we were still tied. But we are in second place place one game behind a human being the Andrea and in week. Seventeen Deandra when I think eight eight. So he dropped out of contention. Accu score was eleven and five in the ever the ever difficult week. Seventy eight weeks. Mike was Twelve and four. I don't like Mike finished the season. One game ahead of the machine. And you know have have been sending out triumphal tweets ever since I'm not that doesn't surprise me. One job congratulations on what we're proud of you and house. And he I don't know you know. I think they had to get the three the and one oil out and resod or some of the connections. How close to it? Do you think was the final week. Seventeen Zaki school to the final scenes of rookie for school as dove luggage. I just have this vision. Asian of myself up at four thirty in the morning breaking a couple of eggs into a glass and then sitting down to pick the games. I should get up in front of everybody. I J. You could change it we I can change. And that's how we'll we'll wrap it next. Season's fixed well you know. The regular season is done and dusted but the playoffs roller. We're going to get into a a wildcard Cobb previous special with Mark Law in the House on Friday to get into that look the. NFL have let him go. I thought he was like next in line for The Dallas Cowboys Choice Coaching job. You still harboring dreams of a quarterback of course on all these years later said barricaded house Tomorrow that is recording this Thursday and Friday. I will be looking ahead to the weekend Saturday games as well as Sunday. Of course when it comes to the World Cup for you newbies along the first playoffs this year so make sure. Do you set your clocks for that. But we'll get to break down. Those gives more detail and I might cause we'll do that on his patron aforementioned patron patch for slash might cost an F.. Mt But today we want to concentrate primarily on black Monday and all in Dallas cowboys case black some day. That's grey Monday. Garage grey Monday already. Some changes made other changes inevitable but just haven't been announced yet to Jason Garrett and the cowboys will look at everything that's happened. Safari might perspective on a what might happen at various franchises and coaches coordinators in the frame to move into gigs got mailbag as well. We're going to dive into a few of your questions. A- and see show instagram facebook and twitter is how you get in touch with us and Mike Stop Five starting twenty twenty on a high positive cerebral note the top five disappointing players. Yeah yeah that's a good way to start let's push let's push twenty nine thousand nine away and forget about them so let's get to that in a bad looking forward to that the Baker Mayfield's not on that list Mike. There's going to be serious. Trouble will start with the browns. The the that wasn't delivered by the way but Freddie Kitchens his own way list of course is on. The list of casualties. Haven't made it past black Monday one and done much much like a ruptured inskeep is back at the browns and a lot has been made Mike in the aftermath of the perpetual transition at Cleveland. That they get through you head coaches quicker than anybody else. And it's a little bit unfair because they chuck it. If you interim coaches in that Greg Williams for example counts as a coach because he had coach rob them for a few games last season but nevertheless it is undeniable that they are CA. Pets the Pittsburgh steelers for example arrivals completely different in in recent times times in terms of trying to create longtime stability and DEFA longterm success. So it bag that in mind kitchens clearly underperformed this year and and the browns underperformed. This year was mistake to get rid of them off the one year. I don't think so because I think what you saw was that was that Freddie Kitchens in Matt's particular situation especially was in over his head as a head coach remember he. He had been promoted. He wasn't even the offensive coordinator when he was promoted. The head head coaching job last year. And I part of the reason for their success toward toward that year was simply the change I think it it. Just changes changing the atmosphere which is often as effective as changing schemes? Or whatever and you know unfortunately on that team with the addition say of Odell L. Beckham in particular he was he was taking over a team with. Shall we say discipline problems or potential angel discipline problems and he didn't really have the GRAVITAS. I think to be able to to handle that and I also think that that teams caught up to what he wanted to do with Baker Mayfield at least for based on tape from the last half of last year. And we're able to scheme against that right and he wasn't able to counter escape them. Well enough I think Freddie kitchen should should get another job as a coordinator somewhere You know I think he's inventive enough four and probably has the credential the temperament to be a good coordinator on the right team but You Know I. I wasn't surprised at all that he went in Cleveland and a little bit more surprising with John. Dorsey went the general manager which means they pretty much now have to come up with general manager before you come up with a coach or else get them as a package. And that's why a lot of people are talking about Josh mcdaniels and Nick Caserio as the package. Could you deal in your member. mcdaniels was going to go to Indianapolis last year and then changed his mind as possible. The Patriots offered him the head coaching job. When Dole retires but the question is how long will he have to wait for that And caserio was going to go to Houston to work to work with bill. O'Brien when they had the shakeup there another ex Patriot obviously But caserio and mcdaniels played in college together their close friends and they could be package deal for some team. Now whether you know whether that team is Cleveland whether you want to move into Jimmy has lem owned situation or not without a whole lot of guarantees about you know what you can do and what you can spend how much freedom you'll APP. I don't know but that's to me. That's a really interesting theory and without knowing. The Josh mcdaniels contractual attraction situation. I don't know whether it's going to happen or not. But but that would make sense that you ditch your general manager because you've already got one in mind got lined up with that is really issue. I want to talk. whoa about MC Danielson and situation as well which you touched upon that certain hot coordinators will head coach wanting the right situation Russian more than others right but the sum? It's more important than others in if you're if you're an offensive minded coach and you think you can work with Baker Mayfield take or or you have in mind free agent. You know maybe it was but you know you're walking into a loaded situation if you can convince Odell Beckham to stay and be on board ord with everything else you got. You Got Nick Chubb. You've got landry you've got back. Got In joke. Who you know? It's you've got a pretty solid offensive line with yeah with maybe one exception you it should. It should be for the same reasons that everyone was saying that they were a playoff contender this year. Yes it's a decent gig in that respect for sure. Just based on the general manager change in Dorsey again has it been a Gig very long. Remember 'cause they had satiated and that crew a I think that was very much liquor us being very progressive. And we're doing things differently. They didn't last very long. Dorsey came in a couple of years as well. So this is just point taken about the tag team of the head coach a lot of the time but isn't just the turbulence and the Impertinence of the head coaching situation. But it's all said the front offices well why to the browns. Why does this keep happening with the Cleveland? Browns is it down to a an ownership that is just just inefficient and out of it stat or just bad it at what it's meant to be doing or is there more to there's been bad luck. It'd be a combination of things. Why why is why we always talk about the browns failing again and having to chase? It's a good point. Maybe it's a tradition. You could call it the curse of art modell you know. Everybody keeps arguing art. Modell should be in the hall of fame and some of US point out. He fired two of the four greatest coaches in. NFL history. In Paul Brown and Bill Belichick also fired Mater Schottenheimer. Hey you know so but in this situation has lem ms unpredictable but you can argue that for the last couple of years. He stayed out of the out of the same kind of an analogy with Dan. Snyder there But they gave up on Sachet. Sachet Brown did did what everyone this year was calling. Tank basically trading star players players for future draft picks. They gave up on him at the point where he accumulated quite a bit of talent and draft picks. And Dorsey did. I thought a pretty good job on paper of assembling on paper a roster that could compete then. The question is keeping Freddie Kitchens as head coach. Was that a mistake. Stake was that Dorsey is mistake. Was it has mistake. It was hard to go away from because he had had that success. But you could argue that that the you know he was still only an offensive coach. Gregg Williams was was running the defense and they really couldn't keep Greg Williams because he who's expecting to be a head coach with them. I think I think he thought he should be the head coach and Freddie should have been his offensive coordinator. So maybe maybe that got out of hand for Dorsey but I think I honestly think that the reason doors he's gone is that has LEM has a. AGM coach package in mind right. I'm not sure I'm not. You know there could be personal issues involved. They could. They could be saying well. Why did you bring in Odell Beckham when he was going to create create problems or not being not be the Odell Beckham and he was in New York would actually? He is the Odell Beckham he was in New York. And no one paid attention You know that's that's really hard to put your finger on But Dorsey now been fired twice in three years which is interesting for for guys supposed to be a great judge of talent. Let's talk me Daniels. Then we'll move on to other countries so I guess specifically with him because we had the situation situation if he is back with the Colts Gig didn't there he's always a coordinator or often a coordinator that when Bacon sees a pair his name is this alliance to it either by found speculation or more than that an inevitably is going to be a head coach. And as you suggested might the Patriots Succession Plan makes a lot of sense. But let's say that doesn't happen right. Let's save whatever reason better cars on and on and on and Donald's gets fed up with that so much is being talked about him wanting. See to walk into the right situation so is that what are the things that make up a good situation. You talked about talent on the field. That's obviously something. I guess the lack of interference from artery is another. What else do you think for an elite coordinator? Lightning Dynasty can probably have to give the gigs. What does it? He's looking for. Well those those things plus s you know a a good relationship with the general manager. You don't want to walk into a situation where you're the bill parcells quote. You're you're given the ingredients and told to make dinner you ought to have you want to have some say in what the ingredients are. And I think that's that's kind of the kind kind of the trio of of reasons. Some guys may have family reasons to want to be in one place or another by. The good weather was hired. Your you know your kids and so those families that kind of but that usually doesn't factor in I think is as much as as it probably ought to for a lot of a lot of coaches in the interesting thing gobbling. That's the big on. Yeah and interesting thing in New England is you know if mcdaniels leaves and Caserio leaves Nobel. A chick is pretty much alone you know. He's been his own defensive coordinator this year and you know although they've been statistically the you know the best defensive team in the League for most of the season season Last week did did the overall standings. Yeah it's been a problem. I think adjusting and at his age age. I don't know if bill's GONNA WANNA continue on. He may have a plan in mind. You know and finally rather than keep promoting young coaches. You might be upbringing. He had some veterans got back together. Yeah Yeah Cordell back. Well Yeah you know you look at Bret Bielema this year coming in the former college head coach. But I'm not. I'D BE WARY OF CLEVELAND. Were AIA Josh mcdaniels But on the other hand if you're getting your general manager and the coat you've got promises from the owner to stay out. You know the only problem in Cleveland is that I don't think you're GONNA be like Miami in sort of a three year building plan or Oakland or whatever you're not going to have that that freedom. They're probably going to be after the first season. You know a lot of a lot of clamor. If you don't do relatively well you'll be expected to do relatively well for sees with a tough a tough division G. Good Point and the president is there as established that you get this much time in. Cleveland is elsewhere As well all right. Let's move on to mention down to the Washington redskins who have caused Took care of business for anyone else. This season getting rid of Jay Gruden during the season. They've had instrument situation that they have now re upped and gone to run Rivera who is he's GT's from this end of the season because it goes riverboat. Run at Bruce. Allen is gone as well that president at Rivera aid and he's already moved quickly in terms of cussing dolphin and brought Jack del Rio in as well so already things looking much more secure for the Redskins Sutton in terms of getting stuff done early on. What do you make of where they've would rivera and Rivera Bringing del Rio and again? Applying that to this redskins roster at another fair amount of change will happen from now to next season but the nucleus of have that Haskins and McClure in. What do you make of what the full five days it's going to be? That's going to be an interesting testing one. A partially to see who replaces Bruce Allin. Because he's forced out over the last couple years a couple of pretty good personnel guys. And he's he's been the guy who makes all the decisions and their roster has has been over over the past almost decade. I think one with a lot of talent but no depth. They've been incredibly vulnerable to injuries. They've made some bad decisions at key. Positions not not not least of which the whole kirk cousins What would you call it soap opera over a number of years they kept pinch izing about making up your mind minded to what you want to do with him? So I think they'll be celebrations that Bruce Allen has gone just you know look at look at what he did with with the with Williams this year you know their best player basically and he doesn't play because they're feuding over his. You know his medical treatment and money and they wouldn't sort sort out either so with causes that might can you wretch speights. And I'm I think a bigger cousin support to than others. Maybe what part part seven. It causes apologised but not a detraction the way that many people are equally. Blame them for what we cousins ease. I think yeah I think the point was I'm not blaming them for keeping them or or not keeping him. The point is that you didn't make a decision hitting costing he wound up costing them more or money by by franchise him that he would have if they signed him to a long term contract and is simply you know you have to. You have to decide is he are guy or isn't it. Do we want to build a team around him or do we. Not If you don't then you get rid of him and you bring in someone you do you know and that was. That was the core of the problem album. Were they a better team with with Alex. Smith quarterback potentially could fit for Jay Gruden. But it didn't work out that way when so you know while he was healthy are they going to be a better team with Haskins his haskins going to start. If Alex Smith comes back healthy which he says he's going to this this year. That's you know that's going to be it's going to be a serious question for them And can they bring the neighboring Trek Trek Williams back or is he just going to be at this point. Just GonNa quit. Rivera is a good player coach. You know a good coach for players. There's a guy players playing for del. Rio was the same way I think defensively the they'll be on the same page more or less so you know we'll see who they bring in as coordinator I keep thinking nor of Click show up as their coordinator. norv of course was a head coach in Washington but The Dan Snyder let go. You know he keeps leading coaches go. Who Do better than the coaches who follow them? which is an interesting starting with Marty? Schottenheimer going back to him again. And then and then nor you know and you know. Be careful of what you wish for because you might get it. That's kind of Dan Snyder's motto Mati. You mentioned vetos. It tough breaks. Hasn't really he got. He was fired by the charges. Pressed charges was the worst one he had. What was it? A Ford worked thirteen and three seasons. Yet what is yeah. Yeah yeah loses in the playoffs in a game that he should have won. It wasn't his fault that that the his they get an interception and then turn it back to the Patriots. A bad reason to be fired south breaks about the chargers are our guests are not in this right that yes Ann Arbor station. Although Philip Rivers may be gone which is very interesting. Yeah with so surprised. That Avenue Anthony Hill is one of those coaches that Adam Gates at the jets as well. There was speculation. Despite the fact they'd given him the virtue of dread advisor confidence during the season the front office that The ownership. I should say that the case might be going. There's a couple of gays VIC Fangio. Dan Quinn their their second-half coaches they. They've had a good second half of the season which gives enough reason to keep them in management's mind in Fangio's case you know now you found who's the guy who's he's probably GonNa be your quarterback of the future in drew lock. So so that's a reason Quinn was actually fun for a few weeks watching him on the sidelines because he'd obviously relaxed just decided to go with it. Probably figuring that you know there was nothing he could lose at that point. So he's he's going to be back gazed first year coach. You first year coach will always get rehired if if he fits that pattern of having a bad first half and a good second half right is they're saying okay. There was the adjustment period You know there's an old thing if you go eight. No and then go. Oh innate. You're going to get fired but if you go eight and go eight eight. No you're going to get catch tape in both cases your team when eight. It's like but it's the way it goes Lynn. I thought Lynn would get fired. Basically because the team just seems so the unable to win a game which the chargers always have been a team that finds ways to lose a not just under Anthony. Lynn But they they really they really seem to just play themselves out of games too often and I know they had injuries the offensive line. But you know injuries is part of the game and you can only use it as so much an excuse. But he'll he'll have another chance. The rivers situation will impact the tape. One way or another. I'm not I'm not sure. You're the coordinator. Philip rivers. Thing is is an easy gap to solve and I could be wrong here but norv Turner on the surface. It seemed like a perfect coordinator. Philip rivers seemed like a perfect quarterback for norv turner kind of offense Just like just like COUSINS PAT IN MINNESOTA. But it doesn't seem to work out that way and I think you know nor of May just be. The offense may just be a little too easy for defenses to cope with. But you know the I don't know it wasn't Messed up the Melvin Gordon Situation. I don't think they use ox Austin Equa enough which is strange because they use them. A Lot What he's going to be free agent and I don't know if they'll keep him 'cause they might not be able to afford to keep both man Gordon So that that's that's an interesting acting as an interesting one to watch but I wanNA know who the mouth mouth clown who got the nugget the nugget in before anyone else Elsa Doug marrone was fired. Sure marrone I mean took about maybe along with Matt Patricia the biggest example of Pascha publicized in the biggest being the operative word because those two are like in a race to see who could be the next Andy Reid and Patricia Winning I. I'm not sure about why Patricia was was kept apart from maybe they thought too embarrassing to fire him And Quinn the the general manager. He also has the quarterback. Excuse exactly yeah so so you can use. You can use that one maroons choice. They might be looking Mike at going right to the top of our show pretty much saying we don't WanNa be the browns. We don't want to be firing. Cut You off. Yeah Yeah Yeah I think you're right and of course you know there was a lot of Jim Caldwell maiming going around with a couple of weeks to go in the season because called was fired after winning season. which here's an unusual thing in Detroit not the firing the winning season? And if you go back you know they did the same thing a few years before that you. Although they missed the playoffs on a late touchdown and they fired the coach you know. The new coach came in and they. They missed the playoffs by the Twelfth Week of the sees so. I don't know how marrone survived. And actually what's weird. There is that called a an marrone are both their cloudflare's out now Coughlin's role in that organization never seem to be very clearly defined and I'm not sure Koffler offline knew what it was to be honest but to get rid of him and keep the coach and general manager Seems like the easy way out. Put it that way and I would expect that both of them are are kind of walking the plank. This is like a do it this year or not kind of situation but Jacksonville is certainly certainly gone backwards. Since the year that they you know they were going to be the next great team in the NFL may beat the Patriots in week two or week. Three whatever Robert was of the following season then collapsed from that point on. Maybe I mean I wonder if it's the it's the God dementia factor if they get a B.. That's a really really good point because Minhsiu Menchu reminds me of fits in a way. He's great. He was great when he came in and creates a change in the atmosphere and stuff. But if you have a measure sixteen week quarterback is he actually going to be good enough to get you all the way or or a good portion of the way and that's always been the situation with fits in his best years he's taken teams to the first round of the playoffs. So you know. Probably his best season with the jets and the ad one real fits game in the in the first round of the playoffs. That's going to be. I mean that meant you could have a long and successful successful career like that just the way that fitzpatrick has because it's better than what a lot of guys can give you and certainly fits played a great game on on Sunday against the Patriots. But I'm not sure that he's the guy who's going to carry you all season long particularly if you're offensive coordinator or is is is not minhsiu friendly and trying to make a an offense. It's going to work for him and you can't really you. You could conceivably get the same offense to work for Nick foles and for mentioned and I think that's what DEF- Lippo tried to do At the start right but eventually teams caught up to men's shoes limitations and then you know then. He doesn't play for a few weeks and they surprised him. And it take it took teams by surprise. Took me by surprise. I you you know my way to pick jags. ABOLUTION needs sophomore. Season is going to be interesting to watch. Same moving to the giants now who've made change with Daniel Jones had a an up and down entirely predictable for rookie quarterback season in the league. But it wasn't enough to save Pat Shurmur. I'm a we were talking on the part about the final week of the season Shamas Body language and the way he was interacting with the players on the sidelines. Collect there's a lot of speculation but e need. The end was coming this the way that he was baby. I think in that in that game it was announced that By John Mara that that he's gone. But Dave gettleman that. GM is coming back so gene. They've got the right way round shock but not a surprise I'm Shurmur had to go. I mean Pat. Shurmur is what. He is an odd coincidence. That is giants record is nine and twenty three and his the overall record before he went to giants ten in twenty three as a coach He's an okay offensive coordinator I don't think I don't think he's just just like just like I was saying with Freddie. Kitchens I'm not sure he's got the kind of big picture skills that that make a great head coach. The giants are a team team. That like the steelers waivers continuity calmness tradition hidden. Whatever you WANNA call it not as successfully as the steelers in the past four decades or whatever but I'm not sure what gettleman has done to suggest that he should stay whether the you know the personnel additions have been great? I said what may drafted. Did you know Jones that Jones was Eli manning you know. That's that's what they were looking for. And that's how he played few more turnovers than Eli but but that presumably presumably fumbling that will will slow down as he's as he gets older And I you know they built an offensive line. A lot of money on nate's older for example with no with no great success cattlemans great adjudging big big beefs on the defensive line. That's what what he didn't Carolina. He comes from the giants originally. So he's in that in that kind of you know go parcells. Tom Coughlin George even go back to George kind of kind of mindset. But I just I just don't know you know it'd be interesting to think of. What if they had a stronger character the head coach? You know not say better Guy Than Pat Shurmur but a guy with a more in the in the coughlin mode what. The Odell Beckham situation would have Ben. Would there would he be able to to sort of keep that talent in line and focused on helping the team rather than you know making one great. Catch a year rush to be To be in the decade highlight films. Or whatever. So I'm Wa- watching this. This is going to be an interesting one to watch because because I'm not sure how much influence cattleman will have over who they hire is coach. They've asked to mcdaniel's they've asked to talk to Matt Rule. MM At baylor. brule apparently has has said he's going to stay there. College coaches say lots of things and very rarely in in terms of jobs keep keep to what they say. And I'm wondering if if there might be some other college coach in the picture like urban. Meyer say you know went to that. Washington New York gave. Everybody thought you know Jerry Jones was going to be watching. And there's a lot of talk of Meyer might be going to Dallas our Jason Garrett does get fired and what. He's good let's Let let's say the coaching shop. Yeah there's that big guy in Dealey Plaza. Now there's this huge screen with like minutes to go till Jason Garrett is fire talk about this operator so I tell you there's various theories right. There's there's the theory that Jerry Jones wants the cowboys to be like the giants and be a big family you know the Mara. And he can name Wellington Mara because Wellington Mara was the closest thing that the NFL had royalty. And that's purely because you've been around. You know Tim Morrow bought the giants was a bookie. It's not like disguised descended from actual noble nobility in in Britain or Ireland or whatever so anyway Jerry Jones wants to be that and that's one theory so so Garrett's part of the family and he's having a hard time getting rid of him or figuring out if he can make him like vice president of stuff that we engage in the front office. Yeah I take that. And the second theory is to Garrett Scott the picks you know nobody knows who the picks serve or what they're of but if he gets fired the picks go tim show pictures. Draft picks draft picks. No pictures yeah photos does you know. And and they go to buzzfeed if if he gets fired air or whatever and then and then the other the other theory which I think thank. Maybe maybe right is that Jerry isn't going to let Garrett go until he's got plan B in place in place and Near. The latest rumor of course was urban Meyer liar or or link Lincoln Riley as planned be and I think that's a really interesting one because if you remember when when Jerry hired is college teammate. Jimmie Johnson is head coach. Dallas he brought in a hugely successful college coach. He'd been successful at two programs. Oklahoma state and Miami and took control which is something that in the ad and wound up getting him fired because Jimmy Johnson was getting all the credit jerry who was already the general manager. They're anno and working on the same page with Jimmy did like that. So who did he go to any fired. Jimmy Johnson Barry Switzer from Oklahoma successful college coach. In what was then. The big eight didn't didn't rock off the boat didn't didn't take the spotlight away from Jerry Jones. And when you look at Urban Meyer and Lincoln Riley. They fit those two profiles. Almost impulse perfectly Myers a guy who wants complete control. You know builds himself up to heart attacks. Because he's such a you know a micromanager manager and You know details kind of guy and I think a very talented coach who probably could do well in the NFL. Riley's the kind of the you obviously Riley Riley had huge success at Oklahoma. But that's because he's Oklahoma and playing in the big twelve riley is cliff Kingsbury in those the coach he comes out of that. You Know Texas Tech Program and I'm not convinced that Reilley Scott the big picture thing to be okay great coach in the NFL. But both of them I mean right. He's got a whole lot of buzz about him. Because of what's happened to Oklahoma in recent years in particular and An mayes got that is suggested. Wouldn't it be great to see him in a big team out of big teams in the NFL. So they're both GONNA come with a lot of attention on an hype. Oh yeah attention. Obviously it'll be attention. But but you know Meyer Meyer coach to a first at Bowling Green and then Utah where he had great success us and then Miami as I mean Florida sorry and then at Ohio State and he was successful and in in Bowl Games. He's been you know. I don't think I don't think Riley I think Riley's lost every game is played in Meyer. Meyer was like at Ohio State. Eighty six. He's only been foreign three. I think but Utah in Florida. It was like seven and one now. It's harder for Utah to get into a big bowl. Game and in Florida was was a bit hard. But that's that's an impressive record in bowl games when you're playing against the best teams in the country so as you can see. I'm a much a much stronger on urban. Meyer is potential. NFL on Lincoln. Riley isn't the point that Garrett an I take your point Switzer uh I was before I was covering the remember as well as you do. But they were as he even said. It didn't take attention away from Jerry. Jones writing take a token about a much higher profile characters on me. Yeah but we'll Riley. Meyer will be a focus of attention but Mile Meyer. I UH-HUH I would assume would demand a certain amount of guaranteed autonomy. I don't know how you do that with Jerry. And his son. Basically run run the personnel L. Department and are in Jerry's GM Riley would have much less leverage that kind of discussion. So I think I think he would be content to come in and just speed the coach and and in fairness. It's not a bad situation for a talented coach because there is a lot of talent here. Jerry's not a bad general manager. They've been certain holes in the cowboys over the years but he does recognize talent he he does listen a bit. At least Hassani Johny listened to the scouts when they when they went with the Frederick as the first pick and he wanted to take a quarterback and they talked him out of that and and DAX been pretty successful. And I think I think the big thing that either Meyer or Riley would bring to that team is the potential of unleashing Dak Prescott in offense that will be more friendly than than it's been Not You know nothing. It's been bad for him. But Garrett saw fences have been even with more at quarterback who had a pretty good start of the year and then teams caught up with what he wasn't wasn't doing. You know the not table things on the cowboys. I'm going to five because apparently the apparently one other thing there is a Oklahoma's loss to recruit already a high high school quarterback who who was being recruited and people are looking at as a sign that Lincoln Riley he's going to the NFL that doesn't necessarily mean he's going to Dallas but Dallas would meaty kind of like the front running obvious choice because he said that quarterback had said that if indeed committed as they call it from the suit is because he if Lincoln Riley wasn't wasn't gonna be that and then he was going to look west people joining the dots there. Yeah it's funny when funding one. Seventeen year old kid or eighteen year old kid is ahead of everybody else on the air you go maybe tip off. Whoever had the story as well and see if I wish I could remember who the first guy was? WHO said Moreau's definitely outgoing in the first tweet is ridiculous life in the fossil? The key thing about the cowboys getting top five is the. It's a technicality. But I think I think one that is maybe being a little bit overlooked. Joe Just as need to Fi- Jason Garrett his contract runs down right right so he's got he's got till the fourteenth eighteen I think is when the contract expires. That money spent quite a lot as well. All right. Let's get it with. You could be punishing Gary All right. Let's get a top five at as we said at the top of the show. It's a fun fun packed top five this week. It's the top five most disappointing plays the other season. I'm presuming is about the season. Yeah Yeah Okay. The honorable mentions were seventy. Joe FLACCO who you. You can't say was disappointing. Because anybody with half a brain knew what was going to happen anyway when he went to Denver so I can't the only persons disappointed as John. elway okay. Who thought that that was going to be the thing that work and I put kirk cousins in the same situation because cousins perpetually is disappointment but the people overestimate how good he is and you know a lot of people? I won't mention any names but when we were when we were doing the game's at Wembley a lot of people were saying cousins husband's ought to be. MVP OR MATT STAFFORD OUGHT TO BE MVP early in the season But cousins that I did I I did throw about staffing visit the VP cousins almost inevitably is a disappointment. Because I think you know he is what he is and he can make some place and he won't make you someplace but he doesn't consistently do it's so easy to write cousins valuate. Yeah Yeah I mean you know. He's not. He's a good quarterback. He's just not a great quarterback so it going down the list now at at five. It's A. It's a dual package trey flowers and Trent Brown. The two guys is who the Patriots really miss who got huge money to go to other teams and we're not disappointments on the field. But they were what they were and for that kind of money you really need them to be that and something else. And it's like Trent Brown played went back to right tackle for the raiders. Really want to spend that much money on a right tackle right even if you are a run first team and Trey Flowers went to Matt Patricia. We said you know great fit all that kind of stuff but the impact that trey flowers makes is not the impact of of a guy who registers to fifteen sacks. He he played really well. He had a good season But they they still needed another ingredient media to make that defense work better and they spent a lot of money on that defense. And and it really I think underperformed at number four. I've got Philip. Rivers in which the chargers is a whole disappointed and the offensive line made rivers season a lot worse than it needed to be. Yeah but rivers has become a kind of Brett farve light where everything revolves around him getting the ball into places where the doesn't always get it and he's had some really bad games you know and it's not for want of talent it's not for want of effort Or toughness snus or anything like that. It's just that I don't think he's in the position where he can. He can carry that team the way he thinks he can. Not even that the coaches think he can and so I think he's kind of a what would you call it a millstone on that. Gosh Rosen not a huge disappointment but the story was. He was a good pickup for the dolphins with the set for a second round pick. He was on a terrible team in Arizona. So Oh give him a chance with a good team. Well you know how that worked out because dolphins were terrible to the next thing they do. Is they get rid of their left. Tackle to get get rid of running back to get rid of. Yeah so the question is I think that Rosen's ceiling is jared goff and his floor. There's probably below Kyle bowlers. That's what we've seen. What we've seen is floor for two years so you know? There's a floor in his game. You might say And I suspect fits will be the started their next year I am and they dry. They may even drafted into the quarterback because they've got three first first round picks I I don't think they'll go crazy trying to get joe girl But they could pick up a quarterback you know to bring along in and compete with Rosen for that second job you know. Maybe Rosen will come through with some team in the end. I don't know I've got to. I've got to parlays tied at second. Of course you have nick foles and Leonard Fournette like it falls has the excuse of being heard obviously but when he came back he was by that point. The JAGS had given up. I think so. It was unfair kind of judgement but but he couldn't really do much in for net is for net. You know it's it's like you keep waiting for him to you. Know people there a lot of people who would say that Saquon Barkley or even. Zeke Elliott. Were disappointments this year show because they didn't carry exit the way that teams designed to be built now now Barclays for Barclay. You could say well. The giants had no receivers for most of the season so it was easy for teams to keep up on him. for Elliot. It's you know I don't know how you how you work. That what he seems to be up and down bugs but for net really has not been at the top. He hasn't delivered at the top level since smaby his rookie season and then got hurt. And I don't know You know if if injuries are part of that like they are we give Todd Gurley a break because we assume that he's injured injured in playing through it for net could be kind of the same way and the second part of the power line is another is another dual entry And this one probably a lot more justification Baker Mayfield and Odell Beckham Junior. You Know Mayfield. Mayfield's another guy who I say he is what he is and you really need to adjust to that and Freddie Kitchens did last year but I think he couldn't adjust further this year so teams tried to keep him in the pocket. They can you you know. Make him see over the linemen. They can make choices that way. And you thought that with Landry and Odell Beckham and in Joke Gook that that would be relatively easy easy for him to do but Beckham Beckham was Beckham. He just wasn't showing up for much of much of the season he he wasn't making making the the everyday catches you need. You need to make the which is what landry is so good at. You know. It's why they they would. They should be such a good pair. Because you know wake if you account for Beckham over the top than you. You can't necessarily double landry on the shorter routes and Landry's kind of like Anquan Boldin type. You know who who will run. The tough roots make tough catches. So you have to think that that parlay is a huge disappointment. And when you consider you know when when you consider Landry's Bayfield Mayfield's history with the team and you consider Dell Beckham's history with the giants you ought to have seen it coming. You know it was like guys tend to be what they are unless unless someone makes them be something else and Freddie Kitchens wasn't the guy to make the base something else else but the winner and absolute letdown of the season strategy gone wrong personal strategy going wrong money gone wrong from the the Vietnam Bell Living Veon Rose in New Jersey. I mean what were they thinking of. Leon la La Belle was supposed to turn this team into a contender by running and he he just wasn't dominant and you have to be dominant. Why wasn't he dominant? Well maybe because they didn't have a Ben Rothlisberger taking some of the pressure off or Antonio Brown downfield a Juju Smith Schuster downfield. You know maybe Adam gays wasn't able to do with him. What what you need to do with him? But when they gave him the ball he did not deliver. I you know game after game. After game eight catches thirty five yards. Twelve carries fifty yards it. That's not what you're paying believe eon bell money for and just went in next season. Mike let me remind you in that. He could have more money if he stayed Pittsburgh. Taken a Pittsburgh of course of course so it's lose lose. What does he play next season? Everyone Bell Stays I. I assume with the jets and I assume that gays will go back and think about what they did and and and try to try to use use him in you know in in a better away But Yeah Lydia Bell has the talent if you put a line in front of him in any of that to be a dual threat operator the same way a Kamara Kamara or a A hunt Is You know. And that's kind of the audit offense that they they need to running and take some pressure off with Robbie Anderson Downfield or somebody downfield. You know that just didn't seem to work for them right couple from the Mellberg we've got to get out of dodge so we'll go first to Reese I like this one. You might as well Mike Recess with two thousand nineteen benches worst draft costs in. Kill Harry in the first round. Looks like a huge stretch. She says it was good as I win is being. He missed nine games. I win was two thousand eighteen. He missed missed his whole Rookie season so the question is what Harry's disappointment in a sense but I I'm not sure it's his worst draft class because their draft APPs tend to be one or two successes and they do a lot of throwing things at the wall. Wait till next year they traded away a lot of draft picks. Were very little return this year. Trying to fill those gaps Part of the problem is that they don't often they sometimes times. Don't trust young players enough. And you see this most this year with Tom. Brady and the young receivers now. Jacoby Myers undrafted guy. Harry the first draft pick and start of the year hurt so he didn't join the team till halfway through the season. But but you make a mistake in Brady tends ends to wipe you out and no hesitate to throw to you. And that's been their problem this year. You know he doesn't have got a guy who he can throw two apart from edible title men and you saw what buffalo did they doubled that Ohman and the other guys couldn't step up. You Know Philip door was Saudi beam so disappointing getting because he was a pretty dependable. Yeah and they gave a second round pick up for him which I thought was crazy at the time. He's he's been a dependable guy he just doesn't seem to have that much left in the tank. Thank right now right In you kept waiting for him to sort of okay. He's smart receiver. He's GonNa get the system quickly he'll be where Brady needs to be. But then he doesn't didn't make the catches all the time and he wasn't he wasn't able to get opened his basically the problem to to get to get those Get those plays so yeah. I don't know if this is a particularly bad draft for you have to wait to judge them but in terms of what they needed for this season isn't it didn't deliver. You know we thought Harry would be someone who could step up create mismatches. The way you know take part of the slack of losing gronk away and and then you have to ask yourself why they didn't pick up tight end you know this year or the year before when when they could have had Dallas Goddard one year was available at at the point where they were picking. They wound up getting Duke Dawson who's now with the now with the broncos and applying one movie Mike other forty. What is good this season because or despite Jimmy Garoppolo neither? I don't think I don't think Garoppolo holds them back. I don't think he's the reason they're they're the reason they're there. Is Their defense primarily the secondary thing he's the offense and which has Shanahan scheming And you know they. They had a good draft pick in depot and a good trade for Emmanuel Sanders which gives him which gives him the threats on all levels so Garoppolo's Garoppolo's delivering what the offense needs. There might be some quarterbacks could do it a bit better were accurately. He hasn't been throwing downfield and all Or have been accurate when he does so. That's that's you know. I'd say Matt Ryan quarterback they would be that much better especially given the problems they had the offensive line. This season and Garoppolo was able to cope with that. Pretty well You know so no I I think they are. They are pretty much as they are with without Jimmy G. One more is like I said well both of the team of the right at from the full ten yards out to them of course it was fantastic. Check them out. All the packers Fulton yards the most flattest number two seed ever. I don't think so I. Actually you know if you look at if you look at some teams going back you you look at a quarterback quarterback carrying a team which is kind of what was just kind of what Aaron Rodgers has done but I mean the member the bears they were second seed with. Kyle Orton quarterback is a rookie and then rex Grossman came back when they made it to the Super Bowl the dolphins in ninety ninety two who lost to the bills. who were the better team I think but Marino had carried them kind of To the playoffs situation the the steelers with Neil O'Donnell when all the way to the Super Bowl you know it when you're in that second seat it's not you know it gives you a bit advantage. Obviously what I'm trying to think. The Stan Humphries chargers the the The Falcons as with Chandler quarterback When when the Vikings should a beat them but Anderson missed the field goal there and Gary Anderson and then and then morten Andersen made it? I think most of the time what you see our teams without great quarterbacks getting those second seeds and without you know sometimes with very good defense is but but not necessarily Tampa Bay ravens turn-of-the-century defenses and then you get occasionally the team that the quarterback's carrying which which was sort of the Marino dolphins their their defense is good but not great coming along and Rogers as you know I I think every game I picked in the last three years five years when you look at Green Bay you just think okay. Aaron Rodgers threw three touchdown passes against this team or thrown up. Touchdown passes that beat you and and and this year I mean. Look at the game game on on Sunday. The that game was was rogers somehow. Getting rid of a ball Walter. Aaron Jones when he's like in the grass and turned around and he gets the ball Taylor. Johnson and Aaron Jones makes a tremendous individual run into field goal range and they win the game kit when they were up against it yet. Really they are at all team that the pack but as you suggested maybe there isn't that much different about this Inclination to what we've seen in the past lovey. Stuff bike Not Up towards t might call to read Mike Mike Starting to be picking the playoff games. I'm guessing Mike. You'll be picking the playoff games. Oh yeah absolutely on Friday. The playoff games I thought you're on a roll NAT gas playoff games on Friday. It'll be up a little bit of recap and then through the rest of the month will fill out the fill out the column with picking the you know the all rookie team the the all league team Back stuff lovely stuff with that and Mike back next week to pick over the bones of the one thing I will not do is pick pick the pro bowl. Why do we should do an hour? Look special at the project that will be that will stick you against the Capuchin. He's lost love. Accu score will fail the pro bowl crack stuff bike. We'll see the next week okay. Have a good one. Lobbyist offer my mic. He's back at next Wednesday each and every Wednesday. Of course we're back Friday law in the house for a wildcard special. Were rolling all the way through the playoffs up to an including the super bowl. We're going to be out in Miami dropping episodes every day we're going to have some live shows. Roses well from Miami all kinds of good stuff as we gear up to the big shows a stay with us through January the business end of the season. Say You for all your views. Add of us out.

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOBBY! Surprises Listener Going Through A Rough Time + Bobby And Caitlin Review Movies + Eddie Feeds His Baby Hot Cheetos

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Ls really twitter's my favorite of all the social media. And I just I'm on all the time. That's where the news breaks. The real news trust not facebook. People yelling stuff. I'm not on facebook at all but I spend most of my time on instagram. Not For news more so for I mean for what you gotta funny memes funny memes. This is always part of the day where the interest cut out so amy's cutting out. That's what's up. Having a pet health people pass the time and ease the pain. Researchers looked people that were going through difficult times. They found that having a cat or a dog at home was linked to significant easing of loneliness and depression. And the person reported quicker bounce back from the setback. The pet was shown to help the person report feeling back to normal weeks sooner than if they were going at it alone the days were easy to deal with and didn't drag on when the pet was in the equation. You drink so loud amy. It's amazing I leaned away from the mind Lozano's about seemingly no way I was about to go into a little thing about my dog right and how having a pet for me is great. It has been great and I hear this. Is Amy swallowing a basket and nails it? Sound or Water Eddie. Did you hear that I heard it and I saw it? Yeah Okay and I leaned back. How do you see it out of your cameras? Not Working Anymore not on you but I still see amy. Amy Lowered as about to hit you with some real poignant animal stuff that's probably. GonNa Sarah mclachlan. Song to sometimes. I'll just be talking a- We Remember Union. Is that the one no danger. That's IT I was about to go on to that and you ruined it by drinking so loud. I'm sorry do your thing. It's my birthday and the one request for my birthday was loud drinking on the on the show today. Do the voice over only fifty cents a day. You too can save a pet with one eye. That's right we're going to show you the pets. 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I didn't think about that talk sort of doing the ceremony is I was thinking about. Something made me think about churches. I don't know if I was looking up something about my church and just started wondering they're not gathering for a while. I think it was about Easter plan for that and I thought how people tie every Sunday when they go to church. And what's happening right now. We're not gathering so maybe just a reminder to people if you WANNA tied still maybe. Your Church has online giving. I don't know one other dog story. Sunny the golden retriever lives with his owner. They've been neighbors with this. Other woman named Rene for over a decade and when she self quarantined for own health they train. This golden retriever. To help go to groceries. He's making trips back and forth from his house to the neighbors taking groceries. That's so on that's awesome. I'm going to do name that Bobby. This is a game. Id made up because today is my birthday. We'll talk about that in the show in a little bit. But I'll give you a description of a famous bobby named Bobby okay. The singer who got to start in the RBM pop group new addition. Here's a clip. Amy Bobby Brown. Correct you know. I was watching duties masterclasses. There's another Bobby Brown that does make up. There's another Millie Bobby Brown. Who's on stranger things? When are we going to cap out on? Bobby Brown's famous. It's not like John Smith whether or not there. There's so many Bobby Brown's amy. This person plays eleven on stranger things. Crap Millie Bobby Brown correct celebrity chef restaurant tour and host of several food network. Tv shows Bobby. Flay Nice Nice. I watch a little food network now. You know I don't even care anymore but jinx. I told you guys yesterday. I was GONNA ABC Right and they got cancelled and people are going through our stuff. And I was like. Oh that's neat I had a big role on the NFL draft. I'm Ford to guy and they were going to. 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That's I WANNA say it's a concern but it factors into her thinking about the future not an if she wants to be with me or not but it's something to think about so I think it'd be two years five years if I shows don't get picked up and maybe in a year and a half about that moved to Arkansas. Run for office. What would you advise me to do? Amy Go to Arkansas. Run for Senate or for Governor Governor sign or mayor of Mountain Pine Governor Okay. There's one of the three glad you answered that one. Why would you think? Would you want to be a senator? Well they're just they're just different jobs right one is I know living in. Dc represent one of the two people represent your state different federal government state government right. I'm asking which would which would you want right now. Like I haven't even heard you mentioned senator until today. So that's why I guess I'm leaning Governor but the more I think about am I Maybe wouldn't be bad. I mean Obama was senator came president. 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That was our whole school slogan. I guess it does those. I thought it was something in your podcast that you guys like said to greet each other from high school. Amy started doing a peace sign like she was throwing a sign in the middle of that. Like Austin high represented Go maroons loyal forever. God okay here's another one from Clovis California winning Aaron and calling from Clovis California. I've been listening since I think about two thousand thirteen and I love you guys I'm calling because my daughter shares bodies birthday and obviously this sears. Kind of a Downer With quarantine happenings and so I was wondering if she could get a shout out on her birthday from the Bobby Brown show crew. She would love it. I love it also a teacher and so if by chance you choose to play this message I would love to say hello to all my third graders from red ink elementary school. Mrs Well Back rubs you all right. Thanks guys Even if you don't play this people listening all right. Nice here daughter's name. Hey everybody if you leave a message and you want to give a shadow to someone we have. We don't know who to shout out to with this happened yesterday too. But how have earth pretty cool? Mrs warbucks daughter. Let's do one more. Here's the Spokane Washington. I WanNa let you know. You guys helped me on so much more than I. I got laid off from my wells and job because the Karuna locked down up here in Washington but I started door dashing and I start off early in the morning to get people that are copying their stuff and listening you guys make you laugh smile. And I'm sitting here stuck in my car and I just wanted to say thank you so much for making me share. Happy all drama. Hey thanks Jacob. Hey do we have a way to know their phone numbers when they call us like. Is that in it Mike. We do okay. Let's do this. It's my birthday. I don't need anything. Jacob said. He lost his job. Let's give me Jacobs Info. All Cinema. Hundred Bucks lost his job. He's going through something. I'll give away stuff. I gave away my birthday. House that I love it. Well how are you finding is? You'RE GONNA get as wonder if he has been male. I don't listen. I'll leave that up to Scuba Stephen Jacob. I'm going to send you a hundred bucks dude. You don't WanNa Prize. I appreciate you calling and being loyal and that sucks that you lost your job so and we do have this voice line. You can leave a message or you have to call the show number. When we're out of the studio eight seven. Seven seventy seven. Bobby all right all right all right. Let's get going. Why yes and no. I have seen of being loyal and loyal forever. And being that. It's your birthday and that's what you WanNa do them for your birthday all match and donate to him do wow. Wow Jacob just bought have you go by the Jet Ski All right Jacob? One hundred dollars coming to you know that's nice so anything I do all day. You'll match it. Sure down all right we go big. Go Big One. Well let's see well we'll come back. I mean within reason all right. Let's do what's hey what's the hash. I'll go last Amy Europe. I okay so is it totally wrong. If we set the clocks up an hour in the kids think it's later and we put them to bed early and then we set them back and they still have to wake up as early but we get to put him down sooner because they think it's time to go to bed. Is that totally wrong day? That is some maniacal type parenting right there. Wow I did hear name in from Eddie. And it's just that there's just so much of it all the time that I feel as though if they saw on the clock. Oh it's bedtime. Didn't they would just go and it'd be like magic. Well let me ask you this when you come to this morning show. Is it an escape for you? More than anything Sure Yup right now normally in life. No but when you're in lockdown and you're the teacher yeah yeah well I think you're the parent you decide if you want to lie to your kids. You know. That's I know I don't want this. That's why I'm bringing it to you. Just feel as though it's fun trick. I think it's fun. Okay I'll give you. Sometimes when my dog was sick I will give him a sedative. Was like if he's hurt is say so what happened is I would break off like an eighth of it. And if he's jaw was hurting I would give it to him and I'll be like oh I'm going to give it to him pass this week but it's still hard. I'm GONNA give him sedative anyway due at once like every week or so. I felt like that was okay. If you do it sparingly and if they need it as break it off just for fun every now and then give them a playstation game. They'll only be alone. Yeah that's true. I might I guess. And can they can link up with you. Play playing with him. I don't need to play along. Okay all right thank you A. Works with private games amy. That I play might have more adult. I Know Yeah. I play mortgage. It's a game where you just build mortgage interest rates apply interest rate mortgages. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah I do that in a by refrigerators and CAR TIRES. So it's called adult adulting Over the lunchbox up oh yesterday I came on here and told you about the challenge of starting last night I was like side and so I about it and my boy Johnny Bananas Quote retweeted. It said don't worry lunchbox help is on the way. What Johnny Panetta's Re tweeted me? We're back in France. Let's go aren't excited about John. Elway to say I mean. How awesome is that excited? I'm excited yeah I was. I was like boy. I didn't know really how to follow. I don't get hey cool cool. Yeah but I didn't want it to. I don't want it to feel like I was looking down on. It's always gonNA wait for somebody else to jump in. I mean it's like when a celebrity reach your comments on your post. You get excited. That's exactly what happened. Like one of my idols read quote re tweeted me and said common for your lunch box. What up Nice all right there. You Go Eddie over to you guys. I'm tired of the self quarantining stuff. I went on a date last night. A double date last night with another couple. Relax RELAX ON FACETIME. I got you guys. I'm just tired of like my wife and I were talking. We miss our friends like we miss certain people that we would normally go on Wednesday night and go have dinner whatever and and I was talking to my friend of mine. Our friend of mine and I was like. Why don't you and your fiance get on? Facetime me and my wife will meet up at eight thirty and we'll just have dinner and we'll talk. Well that's pretty cool. We did we did for like two hours. Oh so like did. Y'All have a meal and they had a meal or just talk. We just talked. It was like It we started at eight thirty but then we didn't really log on till nine because the kids were up Eddie but you know it was good. We just caught up. It was like we went to a restaurant and sat there and just caught up. It was wonderful and tonight. My wife has a happy hour with her friends. Well night shout out to the B. Team. Does a bi team coffee break every day to on twitter the do they put their one of their drinking. And what they're doing and they do. Hashtag be team coffee break and they all chat amongst each other so all right there you go a today is my birthday. Thankfully it's here. It's been waiting to get for a few weeks at this point. I'm forty as my President Jacob. I like to talk to you later on the show and get him on. He's awake and also Eddie and I put out our comedy record on my birthday today as the president to everybody to so our live in little rock record is out. We didn't pre promote it. The records called live in Little Rock. Huge the bobby bones show. Podcast highlight segment of the day. What's my birthday so proud of a special dinner tonight? I assume CAITLYN's out she was on the show earlier talking about trying to find a chicken fried steak. She can't find that kind of steak she'd been to like four stores that she's nervous going to stores anyway. I'm telling you you'll have to but emmy gave her the pivot chicken fried chicken which I thought would be great too. She spent all night making a cheesecake around pan. What's the perfect cheesecake? I was like Walnut Square as a little too. Deep on that as but but but it's true it's true. She asked me so. I told her that around cheesecake insane slices and with the red sauce on it. That's the perfect cheesecake to me. But she's making it from scratch. Probably GONNA play video games ever being questioned at all and you know the listeners. Hit me up going. Hey talk about video games all the time. I didn't know you were a Gamer. I'm not but it doesn't mean we can't do a segment. We've been calling the video game minute. Here we go. I got a new trivia game my download. Ps Four it's called that Trivia game and it's like a game show. It's okay on that we're playing and she's actually pretty good at it. I think of the last twenty questions or so. I got nine nine hundred ninety two and so I did pretty good. I one. But I'm not cocky on this game. We play the soccer ball game with the cars. Were really even and so we talk a lot of garbage. But it's called that Trivia game and hear the two questions I missed and when I miss a question I studied after the game is over. Of course you do this question. I didn't know amy. What country did the French Horn? Come from France no German the well. They should call it the German horn. That's why I was confused and send the the other one is. What's the name of the vice president's official Song I don't know and it's the song when he walks into the room? Because you know how the president has held achieve. Yeah I was about to say something like all hail to the second chief. It's Hail Columbia in. Here's a clip about right here. But almost conversely but yeah so those are the questions. I Miss Waspa- today researching that stuff. I think about that. I love my birthday today. I can do whatever I want to thank you. Very much learns thing. We always get those list of celebrity birthdays. And you told me I made it. Yes so we have different preps like prep services that give us show prep which a lot of times include the celebrity birthdays of the year. Every day of the year and I was going through the list. I got an email failed at the prep and I opened it up and I see April second celebrity birthdays and it starts naming celebrity. Boom right I do. Let's do April celebrity birthdays for April. Second Amy who's birthdays today? Quavo the rapper. Twenty nine from migos. Yeah what else you. Guy Jesse Plemmons. He's an actor. He's thirty two probably washed up on Friday night lights. Yeah I have no idea just being funny okay. What Else Billy Dean? He's a country singer. Nobody cares what else billy the kid dude I know. I know that people are let me do my bid. Okay Sang Emmylou Harris country singer. Seventy-three nobody cares. She's like one of the grades. Michael Fast Bender. He's an actor. He's forty three dead. I mean either. And then the bobby bones radio slash. Tv host forty years old for sure washed up and nobody cares. But I made it. That's cool well. Should we sing no but I wonder if like hillary bright cookies by and drop them off? She made cookies Chaminda for a lot of people and she's real happy birthday on my bag because I saw other friends with bags of cookies too so it wasn't like a special birthday cookie appreciative of the cookies. And the justify Caitlin and bobby and I wasn't even I how do you feel about that? I think it's fine. Whatever you Kaitlyn made cupcakes for my birthday and then you took them to the next day. Whoa is that true. Yes she told me out here. No I'm just giving you the same though. Kaelin make cupcakes for your birthday extras and so we gave Eddie the extra cupcakes. These were extras but they were giving me for my birthday cakes. Made for your birthday and Eddie did get at Tressler cheesecake for his birthday. I'm gonNA after the show. I'm going to drop off your gift bones at your front step. I'm not going to see you because of social distancing but it's it's a shared birthday gift is for both of you guys for. Who Owe you and Caitlyn? I linzer birthday. She's there so they might as well use it together. Ooh Bobby bringing. Yeah Hey so I was gonna say one of those Sexy swings off. Maybe Eddie plays basketball today and playstation perfect the time. And we'll do it. Yes I love my birthday okay. Well what do we need to coordinate? Not going there the same time so it's not too many people probably so all right. I'll I gotta take the afternoon anyway because of the kids the my supposed to am. I hanging out with you or no. I don't think so just dropping off right. No no no. We're dropping off. We'll probably sing from the driveway or something and then he's out for. Thank you all for the Nice messages. And I'm getting a lot of them. I appreciate that I do. Since it's my birthday. My President everybody else was that we put the new live in Little Rock record today. Bobby Raging Idiots live in little rock. It's our live show with the awesome crowd and literati text us to receive up to five Marketing Tech. Sent via automated technology to your number consent not required to purchase message and data rates may apply membership automatically renews. Cancel anytime hi you ever heard of beach body on demand. Hold on a second. Here is your free membership. I'm Carl the CEO of Beach Body. And I just sent a free membership to another customer and I'm giving away ten thousand free memberships a week to anyone who texts me right now to try our new beach body on demand fitness and nutrition APP. Just text. 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Checking place because whenever the news went to go. Hey let me see your ticket. They had misspelled hippo. And do they packed up their crap left quick. Did you see that story? Well that's no but that's crazy and the governor of Kentucky said. Hey don't be fooled by SCAM. Drive-thru Testing Sites Louisville and hazard habit scam artists trying to collect people's DNA saying it's corona virus testing. The first official state drive-thru tests may come this weekend so they weren't real and they go up to these guys and it's guys like hey man we've been doing interviews legit but they misspelled. Hicfa on their certificate rule number one of scamming is spell things right right. Yeah even like on a fake. Id Spell things right but that's dirty. Aw I bet you. It's not even about collecting the earth the DNA for some diabolical plan to get forty bucks from each person or something because I'm sure they were charging for it That can talk. You go governor those doing a great job with corona virus. There is some of these guys that are really just rocking shutting things down. Hey this is going to be bad. Let's Go New York Cuomo's Moroccan it. Kentucky's been rocking it. The Florida governor's been terrible. Shot at Florida though preach against here. We go governor Andy Brashear. He got a tweet saying. Please warn people. Today of these scammers charging two hundred bucks for fake cove in Nineteen Tests in Louisville. And they are. They're unlike fake. Has Matt suits to knock off has met those. It looks like they just got sheets when we were kids. We couldn't afford it goes costumes. We poked is in in the sheet. That's what they like. Are these people anybody. We'll find any sort of crisis in a way to capitalize off of it. Don't forget we have senators that got the Intel before and sold all their stock. So they didn't have to lose money during the crisis. They did that. People we elected to represent US are screwing us the American people over so everybody finds a situation. How can they capitalize of it? Or how can they save their bite and they do it but on a lighter note? There's no there's no lighter note. I won't talk to Edie about this. There are court closures. That are preventing. Child adoptions and foster families with seeing the foster kids seeing their real parents because of corona virus and Eddie as our video producer but he's also fostering to kids along with his two kids right now. Eddie has the foster system reach out to you about her. Own Bias We've yeah we had a meeting with him a couple days ago just kind of an update on what they're doing Nothing really is changing for us Unfortunately in our situation their biological parents have stopped visiting for a month. So wow yeah I mean are the kids that we have. They haven't seen their parents in. I don't know four or five months. And it's not because of Corona. So that stinks. But now that that's not affecting us. But and I do get emails everyday from the Agency of people needing placements kids needing placements out there. And I just got one yesterday. So that's that part of the system is still going so that's good so if a kid needs a home they're still looking for placements and putting them in homes for now. Your foster kids have seen their parents in four or five months no man their parents have been mia. And I just don't know like we don't know what's going to happen with that and They've been there's been court orders and stuff to find the parents and trying to get them to sign papers but they just haven't been able to track them down. Could those parents show up though right now be like all right? We're back let's let's advocates No the the I think the judge and this is why I'm not giving too many details out but the judge awhile back already decided that that that's just not gonNA happen so even if they did change their mind now bones. I've had these kids for. I mean over a year. Now it's been what Fourteen fifteen months now. Wow Yeah the baby that Eddie foster just graduated high school. It's crazy I mean you're you're joking but walking now the dude. He's eating flaming hot cheetos. Now we'll talk about later because I got this on my list to talk about. Eddie's baby flaming hot cheetos so he's an adult now. We'll get to that well. I didn't know that it had been before. I knew it had been a bit but I don't know four or five months. So what do you guys is? They're taught now of adoption. Not yet not yet. I mean like I said the parents still need to sign their rights away and that I think that too because he didn't he didn't mention this to the courts are shutting down. They're not handling cases so I don't know what's going on the court side of things if they're still trying to pursue that signature but for now that's Kinda halted for us. Are The kids happy? Yeah man you know what we played. We played a game today at the dinner table. And it was and we just do like your favorite fruit your favorite food or whatever and you had to guess what. Everyone's favorite food is and our Our foster son he goes. I WANNA play one. Which one of my favorite houses? That's a weird game. Wow here's my answer this one. Oh Wow we are. That's you know that's a good answer. We love that because he can remember his parents right. Yes Yeah Yeah. The older the older boy. He can remember his family. His life really did before us. The baby doesn't know a difference. Baby was born and then brought to our house immediately so well yeah it's crazy man that's a stinker that they don't see their parents but maybe it's a good thing in the end. Yup I agree. I think that's that's kind of the mentality that we're taking. Is You know that. Hopefully whatever happens is the right decision and we're gonNA roll with it. Well you guys are doing as they say. God's Work Right Amy Thanks Man. Yes for sure cow where we're going to have to have adopted kids on the shot gotta get in this. Give me some adopted kids help. Offset these placements. Holy crap coming from the bass pro shops and CABELA's studio on music row the body. Don't show our April fools. Joke was warmly received. Amy Oh good. I didn't know how people are going to take that because like you said we were getting. Dm's on the daily like tons of people so frustrated so for about two weeks or so. We kept playing this Morgan Freeman club acting like nobody could get the secret celebrity when we were just telling listeners. Hey be on the joke. And then yesterday performed there really was no game. We never mentioned a prize. So but yeah. It was Morgan Freeman in case you didn't know cash. You didn't know his Morgan Freeman as that. Also like bread. Let me shout out to all our listeners. Who didn't go on Instagram? And ruin it either because we have like fourteen listeners. In on the joke and nobody wouldn't told anybody who went and told somebody you know. Yeah pretty good there. I didn't feel like I was going to fall for anything. There weren't a lot of jokes anyway because we're all kind of locked in our houses and it's weird but I did get hit. I was like Oh my goodness this is great. Because you know the peacock is coming back right or it's the it's the NBC Network. That's going to be streaming well. This'll be cool. And they put up the article that there was Michael Scott a movie coming out on the streaming service and so Michael Scott from the office and they were like it's not a reboot of a TV show but he's going to do a one peacock movie and I thought well that'd be fine because that's not a lot of time we'll get up but it's not. It was all April fools. Joke so you got. I think my emotion got me more than anything they found myself spied and then I went for it. They say the office revival is officially coming. Nbc's New Streaming Service Peacock in the form of a movie focused on former Mifflin manager. Michael Scott except it was all fake. Judy proposal. Your House yesterday. Anything NOPE NOPE. I guess your kids. Hey who's now they don't know and then now I could have. I should have introduced it to them and maybe had a little bit of fun but maybe want a next week latest Nashville in Hollywood number two thirty seconds. Skinny Carrie Underwood's says she's lucky to have some land around her while her and her family ourselves corn. Tnd I am dealing with the social distancing Much like everybody else. We are just at home and We're trying to get out and explore when the weather's nice enough to do so. We are so lucky that we have some land around us that we get to get to get outside and get get some of our energy out especially for the five year. Old To kneel towns got together with fellow artists Kaley Hammock Cathy Ashton Abby Anderson Adam Hamburg Alex Hall and Keelan Donovan to do a virtual cover of the song. Lean on me This Sunday during the ACM presents our country. Special Bobby Bones will introduce the ACM lifting lives cove in Nineteen Response Fund to help alleviate some of the burden for the music community during this time the show airs on CBS at eight seven central. A Morgan number two. That's your skinny. It's time for the good news box. Only a shoutout to Lowe's home improvement store. They're donating ten million dollars worth of supplies to fight corona virus. We're talking respirators to hospital mask all the equipment they needed hospitals ten million bucks from. Lowe's saying thank you. You're doing a wonderful job. Love everybody. Who's given if it's a dollar or ten million light lows if anything? This shown us that we do work together if anything and so shadows to. Lowes for that right there. That's what it's all about. That was telling me something good. This story comes from Lakewood. Washington police gotten a high speed chase with a man. They're following this Buick. Pullover pullover speeds reaching a hundred miles an hour while they look in the window and the dog is driving. The car guy was teaching his bulldog to drive. That was his excuse. Anyway right was he really know the bulldog yes the. The dog was sitting in the driver's seat and he was in the passenger seat. He was using the gas pedal and had the dog's paws up on the steering wheel Was alcohol involved. Oh yeah he got charged with a Dui hit and run felony alluding. The dog was not charged because if that dog learned drive maybe I go out. I got a lot of time in the hands. I got a doll. Yeah why not? Why not all right there you much? Thank you so much for your boneheads story today on the phone right now. Is Morgan number two? She is quarantined at her house. She is how do you Morgan? I'm twenty six twenty six years old and also in the studio microphone is video producer. Eddie Eddie you are forty years old. Forty one forty one years old just forgot. That's all right. I'm forty today so it's new dunes crazy. You're not even that club with you now. Okay so we're going to play our game elder versus millennial were Eddie. We'll try to answer questions at the younger generation. Then Morgan the older and it is it. Feel like your mortgage or you know fifteen years apart. Yes Oh it does when I when I first met her. It was like I feel like we're close in age but the more we get to hang out Mike. Now we're we're not we're very different. My mom got pregnant with me when she was fifteen right. So you would be my mom's age. Morgan would be me a crazy. She could be your kid if it was the same scenario as my life Nutty let's do it but it to Eddie Your I. I'm GonNa give these younger questions. Okay come on. This is the word millennials used and use when they are confused or an utter disbelief for example. Omg Did you see Madison snapchat. I'm blank this word. Millennials use when they are confused or an utter disbelief. Omg Did you see. So and so's snapchat I am boomed boomed not really a term. I've heard before it's not boomed. Morgan can you steal it yet shook? It shook yes. I'm close Eddie. Ready ready bone come on in the Harry Potter movies and books what name is given to non magicians. Wow okay. So there's the wizards magicians gizzards. The gizzards that's I'll tell you my grandma used e gizzards. Like crazy and as I think back I'm not sure I knew it gizzard was. Can you look what a gizzards chicken Gizzard is? We'd fish to weed Fisher chicken gizzards too. And but she would also eat them but what does it chicken gizzard part of the stomach. Okay Oh so. It's not the Geezer Morgan. Name the name given to non magicians and Harry Potter would be muddled. Muggles is correct. Nice okay have never gotten that. No Crap said GIZZARDS. Eddie what do beyond say's fans call themselves? Okay okay now. You're speaking my language. She's the Queen. Right like Queen Bee Green Cream beyond say the at first I was thinking. Quit the Queen Bees but I want to go on a ledge here and say the Beehive. Now another stem hold on. Hold on wait wait for first of all is out on the limb right. It's not alleged. Well give you whatever you wanted to be. I WANNA go. The Queen. Bees the queen bees beyond as fans do not call themselves the Queen Bees. That's incorrect Morgan. Beyond as fans call themselves. I'm pretty sure it's the correct behalf. Yeah that's it. I was closer with behind. I would've given that to you too. Yeah thing okay all right. Morgan stole all three Eddie. Still Bag for Morgan Morgan. Ready Ready. She's twenty six. Let's see if she gets some of these questions that older folks know. What was the name of the fictional prehistoric city? The flintstones lived in the flintstones lived in the city. What was the name of that city? I have no idea a bedrock. The answer is bedrock so wow I have no idea that was deep in my brain. Wow you've already won but let's throw us out here in the eighties movie. Beetlejuice what did you have to do three times to either game to come to you or make them go away. I don't think I ever seen beetlejuice another guy in the white and black striped too. Yeah I know it's not this but click your heels no that'd be Oz wizard of Oz Eddie. Do you know that one. I do have to say his name. Three Times beetlejuice go and then finally wet late eighties. Pop sensation had their grammy taken away because they were lip synching rocks. That what you said what eighties pop sensation had their grammy's revoked for not singing. The vocals on their album for lip. Synching I have. I don't even know eighty Yes as incorrect. Eddie Morgan number. Two they were so good but it was all fake. It's million Manila Maleeva. Nilly that's right. I don't even know who that is. So good but Morgan is the winner and now she's up nine two seven one way for the championship here. Morgan which is your victory. Would you like the questions that you should know are the ones that you shouldn't? I always funnier when the ones that I don't know what early nineties artist is known for his flashy dance. Move Pants and too legit to quit. Mc Hammer Nice. Yippee Kaiei mother blinker is a quote from what action movie The UK? No no no. No that would be diehard. Who's the bad guy in the Friday? The thirteenth movies with that so many Freddie to their hands canoe I think I just combined two Freddie Scissorhands. That's funny Freddy Scissorhands. And not a person. There's Edward scissorhands and there's Freddie who has razor blades and neither one of them with the right answer. It's Jason there. You Go Morgan number. Two you are the winner. Congratulations there. She has thought we'd review some movies. Here and I brought Kayla for one segment. I went downstairs and she was with the dog but she was also learning. Tick Tock dances. And she doesn't even down to put on talk no of course now. She has no interest in the video maker. Do One of my accounts. You just learned the dances. And it's like well got that one done to stores are all poetry recess and then are you so bored. Yeah you stay board. Yeah doesn't everyone though. Yeah I think that's the thing. I'm always like a uber she goes. Yeah but I think everyone's Amy's now board though because she's home school your kids and it's driving crazy. Oh my gosh I I would love to help you. I mean I can't because social distancing but if that wasn't a thing it'd be over there yeah no that's sweet. I mean I think you would probably come for a day or two and you'd be like all right next week. Well I saw a few movies here and I'll go first because Caitlyn I watched Ford versus Ferrari which we watched it in two different nights. We watch it. We started really both nights The second half we watched subtitles because Stanley was snoring the whole time. Oh yeah that's true. Wow Yeah Kaelin said. It was like watching parasite actually here that know what the words on the screen. But she was just reading them because the dog was. Yeah so we watch Ford versus. I'll let you go first. What'd you think about it? It was good as having on the Ford. Yes she was disappointed. There wasn't more Ferrari in it. I don't know that I was disappointed. But the titles. A little bit misleading. So the story is about Ford and the Auto Company back in. Would you say the sixty s the fifties sixties right guys? Who Seen it? And so it's how they were going bankrupt and they wanted to build a car that could be Ferrari and racing because it would help with their overall brand image and Matt Damon's in it and then Batman in it. Yeah Yeah I just can't wait. What's what's he gonNa be Batman and the guy from Sweet Home Alabama. That's who that guy was. The guy just figured that out today. Oh Yeah he's the bad guy. Okay so what would you rate versus Ferrari four model ts four? Yeah I I give it three and three quarters okay emblems barely but I thought I liked it more than you did. Oh Okay 'cause. She was complaining about the acting a little bit early on in the show. Like I'm an expert. But she was like if I can tell they're acting. I don't think it's a good man so I guess I liked it a little less. Are You surprised Mike Review a little bit more based on a true story? I think that kept me in it. Okay Yeah so yeah I thought it was good. I would recommend it to someone absolutely. Maybe we watch it at a late time though on the subtitles. Titles yeah that kind of messed us up amy. Did you start watching that movie on Netflix? The movie people in jail. No I can't watch that now my thing did you watch or something. Yeah I watch that and I was like Oh this is just not for me no and maybe I just if it was a different time in my life I think I need something light and now a while I get. I'm watching Ozark and that is not light at all. They're still moments in there that I laugh like there's this character and Ozark she's hilarious. I die laughing. I don't know if I watch that prison show if I'd ever laugh. The prison show is in the future. It's called the platform and how because there are so many people in prison? They have to stack the prisons tall. Is that what it is? I don't know I I don't know I mean my husband and I just flip through and we watched a little bit of it and I was like okay. I can't watch this like it's too too dark. I need more lightness right. Now because the world right now is just so heavy. Eddie you watch nine hundred seventeen that movie I did I did. It was just one. I don't know I every time I see a movie that's nominated for Academy Award. I feel like I have to watch it at some point and it was on the menu so I watched it and surprisingly really good surprisingly though I mean it was didn't win like the best picture. Now Manila Win The white before that though like one of those Golden Globe. Yeah Golden Globe. Best Picture Yeah. Yeah so wait. What's what's it about so just quickly before. I don't WanNA get too into. But it's there's a corporal a guy who gets caught up by the General to complete a mission twenty four hours to complete this mission and he doesn't complete it which is considered him going like really three miles to another company. He doesn't get there in twenty four hours. They will all die including his brother. Who's in that same company? Oh which is probably why they sent them then right. Daddy's accurately describe it might. Yeah Okay what. Caitlyn like it or no. Yeah I think so I mean. Did you guys like Saving Private Ryan? I I would say this is the British version of Saving Private Ryan. Well when I went to watch saving Private Ryan the movie theater. Show me the end of the movie I accidentally and then they walked out and they were like guzzle. Really sorry we just showed you the end I I know. What are you talking about you? Show me the end. You could end so they started over at the beginning after already knew the ending of it and so. I don't have a real answer on saving private Ryan but okay. That's terrible that they did that to you. What do you rate thousand nine hundred eighty? I would say four bayonets out of five. Okay four one. That's what they use bayonets weird way of fighting. But that's what they used can what he wanted to watch next in the musical home. I mean like a real one Oklahoma musical aiming to have this picture in my we have a guest room. I had the video game system and Caitlyn our playing video games yesterday and I have the state of Arkansas. That's made out of wood. And what she does she gets up beside it and shows me where she lives on the wall and Oklahoma and so she liked points the parts of the wall that would be the place she knows. Gone and get creative. So I'm getting home schooled to geography class. Yes I mean before she goes. Yeah I mean I guess. I'm just curious the updates for the the the plan today for Bobby's birthday I mean obviously you're not gonNA watchmaking watch Oklahoma for his birthday. She would know couldn't so once once he gets done working and the show's over. I guess I don't know your full schedule for the day bobby but maybe Caitlyn no some of it. Yeah I got a few tricks up nicely. I Yeah I do. I mean we'll have dinner and have a cheesecake ready for him. She's having trouble with the chicken fried steak right. I have called been too so yesterday. Was My store day. I get to go to the store. Once every three days issue was my store day I went to three different stores. They don't have the steak that you need. I I called to. They don't have it so starting to panic but our backup plan is Cracker barrel doing to go orders. So I might just be a miserable girlfriend on this birthday but I think Kroger's great and I told her it didn't matter how it tastes. It was just the effort the fact that she cared enough to make it question. I know you love chicken fried steak but could you do chicken fried chicken instead. Who Interesting. Yeah good why don't WanNa give up on this? Take right now because we got a few hours course. Yeah run around the city okay. I mean but she got to marinate the chicken in buttermilk or something I would do. Chicken Fried Chicken okay. Can you do that you think? Yeah I mean she is the best chef and I tell her. You should put some of these up on instagram. But she doesn't want to be an instagram influence or in any way right. Who Does but I said but you could put this stuff on people really like it. If you didn't have to be an influence or you can just be somebody who does something you enjoy. But don't you agree? Yeah I totally agree and I saw that you post something or somebody posted. That caitlyn should have her own cooking. Show and you're like yeah and then Caitlyn reposted and she was like no. I don't want people to find out. I'm a poser Okay so four berths ferraris pretty good. Amy Didn't watch the movie on Netflix. Eddie Watch nineteen seventeen and said that. It was four bayonets. Okay okay at that after Oklahoma. I don't WanNa Watch now. That's not you'RE GONNA pay. I say you get a pass. I don't I don't want you to have to watch Oklahoma. I feel free on that. It's now surrounded by everything Arkansas. He Watch one Oklahoma movie. Amy We never mind. She calls my Dog Stanley Switzer. Extra Switzer Arstan Stanley stoops. It was it was I who Stanley stoops. But then Barry Switzer at Lisa's from Arkansas and played on the Arkansas National Championship team. Oh I should tell you about the job. Ramey coach Oklahoma the National Championship football okay. That's what she calls me. I figured it was. Some sort of your sins are there. How Long Is Oklahoma? The musical two and a half hours. I thought it was going to be like Hey Why why are you looking at me like that online? Okay Kaelin. Thank you That's way to her birthday. Yeah you should. Bobby gets a pass. Because he's forty today. We don't get to see Bobby in person on his fortieth birthday. Will you give them a hug for us? I will and if Arkansas was sophisticated enough to have a musical I would watch it. We have a musical really solid layers. The joke what is our turning I can see. It doesn't matter what is it. Nothing gets the whole life of Johnny Cash. You can see it all over all right. Well then ours is the whole life of Garth Brooks once you got next. Great is but I say Johnny cash and his above Garth Brooks. We're aiming words. Well why am I getting out? I love Garth Brooks okay. That's the their caitlyn. Thank you very much. Amy's pile of stories. Kfc wants to spread some joy during the ongoing corona virus pandemic with Fried Chicken. They're going to be providing one million extra pieces of chicken to franchisees across the country for them to distribute to their communities as they see fit and then also during this time they are suspending. Its slogan Finger Lickin good. I saw that a couple of weeks ago where there was a story going. Kfc Dropping Finger Lickin it. Listen we're looking our fingers because a commercial so that anyway like we're not going well let's look our fingers and see how good that meal was. That was just a fun slogan I get why they're doing it but I don't think anyone's actually licking their hands to you now but you know it is at least takes it out of people's minds my kids are licking their fingers and then stuff sheera. Sometimes my daughter. She'll suck her thumb and I thought we had broken that habit. But I don't know if it's just this change of life or if it's her way of dealing with any anxiety she's having. She started sucking her thumb again. I'm like this is the first time ever to start doing that again. That's true I'm trying to remember not to bite my fingernails. Yeah 'cause I'm a big fingernail biter but there are things can do. You can PA- BANDAIDS on them. I'm not putting the nail Polish on them. I'm but but yeah you should the hands in the mouth or no but yes I should. They have suspended their slogan. Though in your opinion come on. Listen what it does do. Is We talk about how they're suspending their slogan which is advertising what else you got. Shirk. While you're a big fan of game of thrones. I don't watch it. But the mother of dragons policy. Yeah so Emilia Clark. That's the girl she's doing. A virtual dinner for cove nineteen donations so twelve fans are going to get to have a virtual dinner with her and it'll go to a covert. Nineteen Relief Fund. Are You Keened how this works me l like I WOULD. Do you know how the virtual dinner works. I don't what is she doing? Does it get on their phone and get on facetime. Is it a zoom or? Do you just eat. I don't know exactly how they're doing but they're creating a way all have dinner together. And if I had a bunch of money for this and I'm with eleven other Joes who WanNa yell the whole time and trying to get my thunder because you're doing this to get to hang out with a million Clark right. Well her goal is three hundred thousand dollars so divide that by twelve. And that's how much if everyone pays the same amount that's what it would be. Wow maybe it's the drawing though. Oh yeah true. I guess it could be that three hundred thousand twelve is twenty five thousand each to have you. Don't even get to serum person or eat the food and you don't get alone time to actually ask her. That's what I'm saying like. How does this even work? Maybe everybody puts on like twenty bucks and then she picks people and then she talks to all of them true. Ooh That's the way you like to approach raffles like you did that. With your photograph for Saint Jude that Ronnie Dunn took and I thought that that was genius because it allows people that can't afford twenty five thousand dollars still be a part of it too much credit for genius but all I didn't I just didn't want anything that we do auctions and stuff to always be one but people with the most money right like I want people to have a shot at it so it was like a ticket for five bucks and we'll draw and there you go but good for her. Listen whatever people's doing to help is great. I just didn't know how that would work. I'll do virtual dinner but in mine. What can we do in Mine in Mine? We will all be nude that allowed. What do you mean? I don't know if you went. What platform you're GONNA use zoom allow. Nudity I don't know surely right. Surely because people were jumping in those zoom meetings. We talk about this on the show or off the air on the show. Okay where people will find jump into other people's zoom meetings in late show the winner and stuff. Oh No it must've been off air because we were talking about how some people would be zoom meeting and they decide to go in their bedroom and change clothes in the middle of the meeting and they would think that the camera was off or they decide to use the bathroom thinking they turn the camera off and it wasn't off talking about doing funnier. People would go and find zoom meetings and jump into them and all of a sudden boom their pictures in there. It's kind of like that. That site where you chat roulette randomly get up with someone and then all of a sudden it was just ruined because there were so many people just showing their weenies and butts in it. And you're like every time I've somebody Ding Dong on another note aimee okay. And then lastly in Non Corona Virus News federal agents have uncovered a large drug smuggling tunnel in San Diego. It runs under the US. Mexico border and it extends to a warehouse in a commercial complex near the border. And I mean. This thing is equipped with like a rail system lights. It's very sophisticated just like you would see. If you're watching. Narcos on net flicks. El Chapo is the one that came up with the tunnels and nearly thirty million dollars worth of drugs were seized including cocaine meth heroin. Marijuana and fennel well you can tell. Amy Picks her own stories for the pill because she is super ended. Any sort of drug transport. They that's hard it looks like if you're in Carlsbad caverns on a ride during a little trained farms. Wow all right. I'm amy was amy's pile of stores. It's time for the good news so when New Jersey restaurants were ordered to close their dining rooms. The owner of Fred Rico's pizza and restaurant. He went straight to the bank and took out a fifty thousand dollar loan to make sure he could pay all of his employees for the two months that they were going to be off. He said his father told him a long time ago. You gotTa Take Care of your employees first because without those employees you don't have a business at all. And he said he owes them whatever he can even if it means that he might go into debt. Wow HOLY COW. I mean yeah. There's a lot to tell me something good but that right there is what this is all about. That was telling me something good. I remember events hosted behind the bastards and it could happen here. I spent a lot of my career in my time. Writing about fascism and surging authoritarianism in the world and I am generally pretty bummed out as a result so in July of two thousand nineteen. I traveled the world looking for hope and I found it in what you might consider to be an unlikely place northeastern Syria. A place called Rosia when you heard this place referred to in its people referred to in the news generally called. Just the Kurtz what I found in Rhodesia in the summer of two thousand nineteen with so much stranger and so much more revolutionary than the story of a group of people valiantly battling against Isis. Instead I found the story of the war in Syria that you haven't seen on the news. It's the story of an idealistic dream. That had the unlikely chance to flower in the dry flame racked plains of northeast Syria. I'm Robert and this. Is the women's war. Listen to the women's war on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or you get your podcasts. It was requested yesterday so we are bringing back. The investigative Corny were aiming reads the morning corny. Me Eddie and lunchbox have to figure it out. Now my these timekeeper. How long we have ninety seconds. Ninety seconds amy. Are you ready ready all right here we go. Let's go investigate a Corny work morning glory. What do you call a fast fungus? Fast Bangash running mushroom bash room. That's Mush Mush. Mush Mush dog speech room a speedy speedy Mush Mush fungus. What it is yep quick. It's GonNa be something like a quick liquor fast rush room Russia. Russia Room Brush Room. What do you call a fast quick? What's other work for a mushroom Mush Mush Mush Brew? What's up for room in the back? Mush a mush mushroom much. Modern room room bone a much. Much Room Bramham mushroom. That thirty seconds left okay mushroom or mushroom Mushroom Mush. Accu my quick. What's the job again? What do you call a fast fast? Fungus Athlete's foot is it would hold on Avalon. No ten seconds Mush Bruin Bruin Mushroom Room. How do you feel? That's the best thing we have okay. We're GONNA go with a Mush vroom. Vroom okay here. We go morning corny. What do you call fast fungus? What do you call a fast fungus? Please be mushroom. A Mush Broom. That's amazing we're never gonNA yell at the same time. So why don't you do in the studio? He's Naylor Okay. We got we got it all right. You ready ready you got to start. A clear is who are I. Thought Mush Brougham was really dumb. When I said it to be honest with you so much so eddie was stupid. What else but I did but Alex was funny too. Yeah congratulations team amy. Thank you Joe. And thanks to our listener. Who ASKED THAT? We bring that back. Bobby bones show if you're going to go shop and they said don't wear gloves on your hands. It could actually be worse than if you were just using your hands. Because the corona or anything else doesn't enter through your hands so you don't need a barrier there if you touch something with gloves and then you touch your face your as or more likely to spread it as if it were just your hands. That makes sense. Yeah is a little counterintuitive. Because you'd think gloves good to keep you but again it's not entering through your hands. So they say more than likely the adhesive properties of viruses differ. It's possible that the corona could hop on the latex and spread even more than what on your own skin. Oh my gosh. So they're sagging don't wear gloves. Just wash your hands because it's not going to go through your hands as long as you're headed such a facial good but you know now. They're probably soon enough going to say when we go out. We should wear a mask and the the reasoning is they think a quarter of people that have corona are completely asymptomatic. And they don't know they have it they feel nothing about it. They have no reason to even think they have grown virus and they're out just like pop up every day is good. La La La la live in their life and not knowing that they're spreading it not being reckless but not knowing they're spreading it so that's going to be a thing real soon too and by the way I saw the NFL. Football football is going to be normal this year. They may have football in some sort. But there's no way they pack in September. There's no way they seventy people in this instance. They have it in some form or fashion but there is no chance. Did they pack all those people in those stands? I think they have it in some way. They should do. Seven seven days smaller teams someone on seven no pads no hitting just like. I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT CORONA. I just think the mask thing to it even though like it just keeps you from touching your face like if you're out and Abou- and you do touch something and you're at the grocery store not wearing gloves. If you have a mask on you're not GONNA be tempted to put your hands near your face so that way you're protected there so I would say grocery shop with a mask over. Gloves is a grocery shop wrapped in Saran. Wrap this head to toe have that. We have all voicemail line. You call leave a message to and earlier. We played this message from Jacob in Spokane Washington. I want to let you know you guys got me on so much more than I got laid off from my job. Because of the corona lockdown up here in Washington but I started door dashing and I started off early in the morning to get people that are copying their stuff and listening. You guys made me laugh and smile when I'm sitting here stuck in my car and say thank you so much for making sure they're all of this so with that I said. Is there a way we can get in touch with Jacob this hours ago? Is Jacob on the phone right now. How you doing Bud Humana? Hey Man is Bobby Valentine good today. Yeah I'm still door dashing Do Pretty much about fourteen hours a day just to just survive. Is that right? So how does that work? Does your phone get an alert or somebody call you know it. My phone gets an alert. I get A pain on location where I'm nearby or something like that and I had to go to the restaurant now. Washington's lifted a lot of things so now even delivering liquor so and farm and pharmacy products and everything. So we're doing a lot more stuff now but We figure out from wherever it's located that and we take it directly to the customer and hand it to them or with a new scare and everything. We've kind of dropped off the front door and take a picture of it. So they know what's really there and and they go under Mary Way. Well I got your message and first of all. I just appreciated you listening. I appreciate your saying such nice things and then what I said I said. Hey because it's my birthday and I was like hey for my birthday. I'm just GonNa give give away stuff so I said I'm GonNa Send Jake so I'm GonNa do is almost said you one hundred bucks cash for no reason except I appreciate your listening. I know you're going through some hard stuff right now. So I'm GonNa send you one hundred dollars and then amy goes well since said since your birthday. She's going to match one hundred bucks. Said you two hundred bucks. Oh my Gosh Oh man that we helped me a lot. That's a couple of against right there to get. What kind of truck driving Jacob Holy? Well we've had some snow here lately so it's kind of been a little nervous a couple of days but man frigging Yeah that's that's what help out a lot. At least get one of my bills taking care of one hundred one hundred two it go. It ain't no. I told you I would match whatever you did. So I'm up on our four hundred. Okay Jacob we're now sending you four hundred dollars. Don't don't push me aiming show. I'll I'll jump again. You know what I'm GonNa do. Another fifty amy. Okay just matched it. So they are five hundred Jacob. We got five hundred bucks for. This definitely wasn't contest. Hopefully it can help you out. I know you're struggling a little bit. Everybody struggling struggling together. But since we're together you're part of the team with us and we definitely want to look out for you. Bud Hey bones yeah. Let's be real. It march madness was going on probably would have one hundred dollars in a bracket. Yeah now I'm in for a hundred six. Oh Wow who Jacob Jacob man I t's almost wow it takes finishes I thank you think you guys so mad men. That's right now everything going on. It's like I'm just over analyzing freight of everything and and paranoid because finally had a job I love and and everything you know and and This stress and stuff of of scare and everything is causing so much fear in my heart but like I said listen you guys stuff in the morning really helps me out a lot man i. I've even started listening to your podcast and stuff and and Couple of other ones. That are kind of funny now. I never listen to podcasts. Before this but you know fourteen hour day of driving you know you only the only hear some of the songs two times over and over again so amen to that brother. We're in this room here and I'm all the time. Yeah yeah well listen. I'll give you the money I don't know if you're on. Pay Pal or Vin Mo Mo. Know any of that stuff interesting. Well I'm sorry but no kidding I'm just kidding I'm just kidding okay. First of all can we also recognize the joy that we hear his even in the voice mail and I can tell losing your job. I assume that's the one you're referring to that you finally got a job that you really loved and then you got laid off because of yeah so and to know that you're going through all that and then juggling a lot and having the fear and anxiety but I literally can still hear the joy in your voice and it takes a special type of person to still be joyful during all of this so it to me it warms my heart to be able to send you this and what I would say is go ahead and sign up for VIM. Oh I bet. We can Linda really get a t and fifteen minutes if you just. I'll tell you what let's put you on. Hold TALK TO SCUBA Steve. Somehow in the next few days we'll get you six hundred dollars and I hope that wait. I just got a text from my count and my accountant said I could afford one hundred dollars off one hundred bucks. My counselor count said Yeah. You know you're you're good. You have an extra hundred so go ahead and put it in Guys Jacob. Much thank you now. He's our biggest fan. He was like I did love Karl Anthony. But I'm GonNa tell you guys now. No Okay we're GONNA send you seven. She's actually not here on the on the line at all or she would give you yeah. She's actually she's a home warranty see. He's a fan. Okay Jacob. We're GONNA put you on hold. We'll get all your vote and we'll we'll hook all right there is there's Jacob in spokane Washington away hold on just texted. Hagenbeck on mortgage. She's listening and she did say something but Let Me Know Jake on Jacob back. Yeah Morgan Number to text in listening at Home Mike. Say I'll throw in one hundred dollars. Mortgage Co Oh God you guys all right. What's up much? Wow selected with my accountant and also through one hundred dollars. No no no. He's GonNa Explode. This is not. We would never do this. Okay where nine Hundred Dollars Jacob? We're going to send you nine hundred dollars. I don't know how we're GONNA get it all together all of us but we will get it all together. I feel like Jacobs. GonNa this is GonNa Happen. We'll hang up. He'll figure out how to set up then Mel then he'll give us the handle and we can all just boom get it to him. Healthily Jacob. You'RE GONNA have nine hundred dollars next couple of days from us all right buddy. Yeah take your pants. You guys are making Jacob. Nine hundred dollars coming out. We'll put them back on. Hold Okay Okay okay. That's fun have birthday to me. Thanks for matching lunchbox. Eddie Mighty Morgan Opportunity. That's a great president. It's time for the good news. Fifteen-year-old Cocoa Johnson finished. Her Final Chemo treatment but with corona virus. Going around. She really couldn't have a celebration at the hospital because they were only limited to one visitor at a time but when she got home. The whole neighborhood organized a welcome home parades so she stood in her front yard and watch all our friends and neighbors walk by inflating their cars and they had signs of the loons and everything that said. Welcome home cocoa. Wow that's awesome and there's there's no way there's more there is more. The MOM tweeted out and they got a reply from John Krasinski. Who Your boy. Jim from the office and he responded and said well. This is one of the greatest things I've seen. Welcome Home Coco can from Germany office. I'd get a girl cocoa alright. That's what it's all about. Tell me something. Good well for me. It was another day of work and being around the house. Video Games work now but I think about Jamie whenever I start to get bored go. Oh Amy's homeschool in both of our kids right now. She's opposite aboard. I mean basically I feel like Oh you know. Is it. Great to be quarantined with your family and have all this in this stage of my life or would have been awesome to be quarantined when I was twenty four not a care in the world. They brought struggles. How did it go home schooling? Yesterday it was it was pretty good. We're finding a group so I need to just you throw that out there because I feel like I've been negative Nancy about it lately but had to work on a assignment with Stevenson. That brought up. I think some thoughts feelings for him and he started asking about his mom and then he was asking if we have biological mom. I think that's that's so they needed to say there because people will be like what do you mean? Aren't you mom? Yes so we adopted Stevenson and stuff sheera from Haiti and they both have different moms. They don't even have the same biological mom so he was starting to ask about his mom in Haiti and if we had her phone number and if we could call her and my heart just started a break because we've had them for over two years now and I always the plan after adopting them was to always take them back to Hades so that they could see their moms but we wanted to wait until the two year mark and here we are past the two year mark and now I just don't see any sort of travel insight and I don't know what year we'll be back there but I started to wonder I mean. Should we try to arrange a? What's up video call with them or I don't even know if they have. I'm sure they have phones and they can get the what's APP APP. And maybe we could video with their MOMS. I always pictured them having a relationship and that's super important to me but Haiti's been a hot mess for a while and then now with corona virus is just hard to get there. Well my questions come. How does it make you feel when he says Eh fine? I'm not like do I do. I feel not what's the word not protective but like oh no. I'm your mom. Don't worry about her kind of feelings. I don't have any of that. No no no because she says I mom I'm his second mom and I want him to know as much about her as he can. That's healthy and in the right time. So sure if he wants to know more about her. I want to figure out how he can have that. That's important to me. My second question. Would you know how to get a hold of her? I think I could. Yeah I know the people I'd have to talk to people that will talk to some people that will get her. Yes would be interested in seeing Stevenson that I have no idea not a clue which so I guess. I shouldn't make any promises to him that I can't keep and I didn't even bring up the whole. Maybe we could get her on the phone. I said No. I don't have a way. We can't talk to her right now buddy but I feel like it's just going to be something that continues to come up. And what is your daughter and things trigger it about her mom she. She remembers life with her mom because she lived with her mom until she was five and a half years old so she has memories at home with her mom and then she has memories of the orphanage from five to ten so she still talks about her mom and I think she would also enjoy some sort of communication. I think that would be good for her to and again same thing with her mom. I know that I could talk to someone who knows someone that could get her. But I gotTA figure out the right way to do it. That was my plan if we flew to Haiti to meet them. I would arrange a meeting because I want to meet them too and I want to give them a hug and let them know. Hey your kids are loved. Thank you so much for allowing us to be their parents and I want you to be a part of their life somehow or the dads out of the picture completely. We have no idea who the DADS are they. I mean part of me would like to talk to the MOMS about the DAD's not with the kids but just so that I can no more but I know nothing because they're not really. Gosh I need to even look and see if the dads are listed on the birth certificate. I don't think they are while there with your son. It will be interesting to know genetically. How big his dad is to know if he's going to grow really because he wants to grow so bad guide us and I've seen a picture of his mom and she's pretty petite. Yeah so you know. I don't know good question. That's thinking about you. Well thank you. It's challenges the any adopted parents faces so if anybody out there has advice for me hit me up anytime you ask for advice period openly like that. You won't get some advice no matter what it's about mortgage buying a house your favorite bird to follow with your speaking of. I put up that I was doing track practice to share the other day and I put up a video of her on the curb drinking water and this woman left a comment she goes maybe she would be more interested. If you put the phone away to burn. No you're asking for a snap okay. I filmed about twenty seconds of an hour that we were outside. So calm down some messages here about something Eddie said earlier. He's letting his baby his foster baby. Who's now how old's the baby Eddie can use one one and a couple of months somewhere around there it but you let the baby eat hot cheetos. Well I mean I'm not letting him really but I really like I can't eat anything without him wanting and he's at that age where he stands up at your knee while you're eating something and he's like just stares at you like give me give me and and I so I gave him a flaming hot cheetos and the dude loved it. I mean those things will burn my mouth and he loved it. He wanted more so than I just poured a little bit in a bowl. So you give 'em flaming hot cheetos now. I'm asking you you guys. Do you think it's all right to give a baby? Flaming hot cheetos amy. I mean if he likes them then. I guess it's okay. You're just starting that the habit what are you gonNa have your baby To eat a milk and then he has little vigil can play with hot cheetos great. He likes green beans. You likes that good and then Fruit cut up like that stuff like that. He eats all day and then Geeta giving him a bottle of mountain dew. Does he did have an ice cream cone the other day. Though I mean I guess like with anything else. Anything in super moderation right. Yeah Yeah I think it's healthy not to the heart doesn't bother me if he can tolerate me too. Yeah Yeah I know. I've just changed so much in my perspective like I never thought I would feed my kids certain things and of course I do and then I also want them to have a healthy perspective with food like I don't tell them you can't have that because then that turns it into a food that now. They may really crave because I always said no or they may try to hoard or eat too much of because they don't know when they're ever going to get it again because I don't allow it. I'm trying to chill out with all that. That's what I do whenever caitlyn brings chips on. Horde them 'cause I'm like oh no she can bring it back in house. Go to town by the way to people are asking one. They wanted to know that story that he mentioned earlier in two. They wanted to know if we're going to Eddie Spanish word of the day. Edi One of course bones unprepared Eddie as his kids Spanish teacher in home schooling so we started to bring a lesson in here with us. Here we go ladies and gentlemen. Today's word of the day is a mario bones. Do you know what do you mean? Do Yellow Oh nice amy. Did you know that too? I did perfect. Let me use that in a sentence. I might yo by morning from San Antonio my favorite warning this town of Amarillo. Lloyd Eddie Funny. You said that amy absolutely. That's exactly what it means. Texas is a yellow city. A yellow town okay. Well then Amarillo by morning. Wow I learned Spanish and geography thinking to bone with this segment. I believe that people now when they go and interview for jobs they can't say they speak two different languages now. No they tiling auto they can't. Oh Okay No. They can't do. They get like sense certificate from you know they could just say. I do know Spanish. You know from this Dude Eddie on the radio all right there you go. That is Eddie's Spanish word of the day off duty police officer was self quarantining after testing positive for corona virus and there was a burglar trying to break into his house trying to break into his car and so he can't really go out imagined that he goes and gives the the robber corona. He tackles him and Lixin. Dash started firing shots from his home. The officer confronted the man who appeared to have a weapon. Probably pull aside from a fire. The man was not hit and ran away. The officer had been confined to his home after he tested positive for corona virus. So and then nutty like you're in your house summation rob your car. What what do you do? That's what happened there. You know who died though is the guy from fountains of Wayne. No the song here. Stacy's mom the ghost of Corona. He passed away. Or Oh my gosh. Who started felons of Wayne Adam? Schlesinger all IPO posting about him. 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Why A Longtime Bull Just Flipped Very Bearish On The Stock Market

Odd Lots

36:59 min | 1 year ago

Why A Longtime Bull Just Flipped Very Bearish On The Stock Market

"World leaders are listening. They're listening for solutions to global challenges ensuring that future generations have everything they need world leaders and CEOS like Cashew Bunny Martin Lau Nandana Lake honey Hank Paulson Janet Yellen Coleco. Don Quixote are waiting to hear your ideas. If they like your idea it may become a reality you and your idea could join them. At the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Beijing learn more at Bloomberg Dot com slash solutions. Hello odd lots listeners. It's Joe Weisenthal and I just wanted to make a special programming note before you listen to today's episode we recorded as episode on Wednesday June twenty-sixth so several weeks ago and and because this discussion is related to specific events coming up specific forecasts of the world economy the world markets we wanted you to be aware of when it was recorded. So that anything that's happened subsequently you can put in context in case things have changed a little bit. It's still an interesting timely and relevant discussion in the grand scheme of things but we just wanted you to be aware of exactly when we had this chat <music> hello and welcome to another episode of the odd lots podcast. I'm Joe Weisenthal and on Casey Alloway Tracy. Something I've been thinking about lately is that we're in a pretty interesting time for financial markets and I should start by noting that today. We're actually going to have a conversation about markets themselves. elves rather than some esoteric topic tangentially related to market but it feels like we're I duNno. Crossroads is the right word but lots of interesting things are happening right now. I'll take the bait I can think of a few interesting things that have happened recently <hes> for star as we're recording this. We're coming up to the G twenty meeting. There's a bunch of expectations around. She shouldn't Ping Meeting Donald Trump whether or not the agree some sort of trade deal or trade truce and <hes> we also have the tenure U._S.. Treasury back below two percent that was after another dovish pivot from Jerome Powell at the Fed and we have a whole lot of negative yielding debt. We also have earning season coming up so yeah. There's a lot going on but the one thing you didn't say and what makes it really weird. Is that with all this tension out there there whether it's trade the Fed feeling that it needs to pivot to more dovish stands to signal possible rate cuts all this debt falling deeper into negative territory in many instances the stock market it is more or less right now at an all time high so despite all these concerns out there and interesting stresses showing up in the market the one market that sort of purist proxy for risk sentiment is basically as good as it's ever been. Yes yeah so we have this big divergence between bonds and stocks but if I could just say one thing it's interesting 'cause we talk a lot about the bond market pricing in a potential recession but it of course depends on what bond market you're talking about government bent bonds sure but if you look at corporate bonds other types of credit risk those are also doing amazingly well so again the riskier parts of the market equities credit all doing really well while other parts are sort of screaming claiming that a slowdown is about to hit exactly right and then the one thing that I think also sort of makes even the stock market interesting is if you look at various survey measures. There's not a ton of bullishness out there. <hes> you know various various surveys of say fund managers lots of anxiety lots of evidence that people are engaging in a high level of a hedging defensive stocks leading the rally higher so even within the internals not many signs of you for it's just kind of a it's kind of a weird time yeah. It feels like a lot of people are in wait and see mode but I'm not sure what we're waiting for at this point. I don't know what we're waiting for either anyway. So I mentioned the top we're going to be talking about actual markets today and I'm very excited about our current guest. He flew all the way from Singapore for this podcast. Now it's not totally true but of course he's one of our colleagues here at Bloomberg but and I'm all always love talking to him because he's based in Singapore in every once in awhile he comes to New York and he's he's. He's our macro strategist or he's one of our macro strategist here at Bloomberg. He puts out views. He's a former trader. He has a very strong opinions about the market and what I think make some really notable notable right now. Among other things is that he's been a longtime bowl who suddenly flipped bearish and that's not very common but someone <hes> you know there are a lot of people out there who are Barish but they're always bearish. It's a refreshing indifferent glad to hear from someone who may have flipped who has flipped you forgot the most important part which is <hes>. He's also a previous thoughts guest de true and I figured it significantly more bullish on the market <hes> the last time which is probably I don't know maybe a year and a half ago or two years ago that he appeared on the show so anyway without further ado I want to bring in Mark Cudmore. He's a Bloomberg macro strategist. He's also the editor of the MLIVE blog. Which you've you have a terminal you have to check out and as I mentioned mentioned he's a longtime bowl going back to at least twenty eleven? He's been optimistic about the market and the economy and for the first time in years he's warning about significant market selloffs in a possible U._S.. Recession so mark thank. You very much for joining us. Yeah absolutely joe-marie excited to be here and as you say all the previous tons of spoken to you on T._V. or odd lots it's always been bullish. I've always been kind of a permeable. I've been laughed up on my colleagues here. I think that's I've had periods of tactical bearishness like Oh. This will inherit the market for five ten percent but I've always been very much in the camp that you know what we're GONNA go back to record highs soon. There was these three pillars driving the rally and that was growth earnings and liquidity and all kind of come into that later why some of those pillars are disappearing just for the kind of the context in the history. I was someone who is working even brothers before the last crisis and did turn Barish like I think many people the forefront of the financial crisis in two seven I was you know not particularly a studer smart but along with the people in the industry are became negative and kind of sometime late seven can't remember and I stayed to Barish too long. I stayed Barish. 'til definitely through late nine ten and two thousand eleven when the euro crisis flared up. I was like this is the next kind of self again and then I learnt from when we got through that I was like hey no wetter sector game has changed too much liquidity is coming so since then I being basically you always buy the dip and the difference is now. I think in the U._S. Equity Market in particular. It's we've never changed your cell the rallies and it's I think we'll get a proper bear. Market is in a twenty percent plus decline over the next year. Well you mentioned your three pillars of bearishness than <hes> walk us through your your thesis Mark Yeah absolutely so I think that two of those pillars are to be taken out completely and the other one is lost a little bit of impacts. I don't think liquidity is disappearing anytime soon but I think the amount of the of leverage in the system can be harmed pretty quickly so what we've actually seen in economic forecasts over the last two months is that they've not been changed in fact there are actually raised about a month ago for the three largest economies in the world U._S.. China <hes> on the euro zone but overall all economists aren't yet factoring ringing all the tariffs because they want to believe their temporary because they don't Wanna suddenly slash all their forecast and then suddenly find that trump signs a deal and because he's been shown to kind of change quickly in the past it means that economists Arnhold so what happens is you still got US economist. The consensus forecast is still for two and a half percent growth in the U._S.. Even though all high frequency indicators show that's quite clearly just not going to happen <hes> so it will take not just a truce in trade world take removal of all tariffs and some extra positively or removal of tariffs and the rate cuts to come through for us to get that kind of growth rate so we're seeing global manufacturing P._M.. On his phone for thirteen straight months is now contraction territory the preliminary P._M.. Is What you get for about fifty percent of the readings that we've already got this month that for the next reading next Monday show that'll probably fall again getting contraction and that's been a that's been a pretty good guide for growth and that's more of the global indicator but was very much in the U._S.. We're seeing that as well you talked about you. Know stocks are at record highs but stocks have always been good indicator. We look back in the last crisis chazan seven so the market new. There's a real problem the economy suddenly flaring from about August. We suddenly only start seeing that steepening the car was we start the easing cycle so what happens is the Fed actually started their five hundred basis points rate cutting cycle in September two thousand seven the stock market made its record high in October two thousand seven the recession came into Semitism seven. I would not be surprised as we get a roughly similar timeline then we had the same thing back in one. I can't remember the exact months but the five hundred fifty basis points rate cycle ratings. I think started in January third. The recession still came in March Tasman once a two months after the rate cutting cycle started so it just to back up your three pillars one is liquidity and that's the one you're not particularly concerned about right now. Yes the other one is growth and obviously and then what's the earnings okay so I think one of the problems with earnings is again. Earning strategies also starting to slash Josh forecasts but not too aggressively yet because they use their macro inputs what they're economists. Say this worked for most banks. Some banks direction not allowed to have different inputs than their official economists other ones. They are but overall. They're still going. Hey all the experts are saying growth is going to slow. It's not going to be impacted by the trade war. Even even though we know it's definitely GonNa be impacted an even though all the surprise indexes have been missing anyway so even during the trade war the data saying that the economic growth gonNA slow down drastically now he fresh tariffs and may which will feed through the economy in about August. That's when we'll get those indicators come down Sucrose Obata drop like massively in from about August September onwards even with Esscalation the trade war so we actually need removal of ties to change that now once we get past you twenty and once economist start slashing their forecasts that'll start feeding through the earnings strategist equity strategist and they'll start slashing equities. We do have a pretty good relation between the direction of kind of earnings and whether we're getting earnings growth earnings recession and equity markets and I think we're about to see quite a drastic kind of earning slash earning deep earnings recession parched because we had such a high peak from the tuck stimulus before so both earnings and growth are about to be completely taken it but mark I guess the response to all of that and you know you've laid out a very clear list of worries there but the response that any bowl would tell you would be well. We have the Federal Reserve which is now back in easing mode. Won't they be able to offset a lot of this. My simple answer is no <hes> the Federal Reserve's got a very poor track record of preventing recessions and I said a referred to the last two recessions the only me too recessions. We've had <hes> in this century <hes> on both times the easing cycle started aggressively before the recession came the recession still came and both those times the Fed at five hundred basis points to cut so ten seventy did actually cut by exactly five basis points <hes> and as I said the easing cycle we'll start in September tenants seven take cut. I think one hundred twenty five basis points before the recession came but I'm not sure exactly but basically they're already cutting aggressively in Tasman One <hes> we I think it started with a fifty basis point cut and we still got the recession starting a couple of months later. It didn't stop it. Ultimately monetary policy is not the best tool for change in the economic cycle and that's become even more constrained giving them into Q.. We've seen in the system so there's the transmission has been broken so I don't think the Fed can stop the economic cycle. When it's this drastic? I think they can slightly massage. We've now reached breaking point. Talk to us about this divergence that we're seeing in the stock market and the bond market because everyone knows there's all this negative feeling dad curve inversions you name it meanwhile as. You pointed out <hes> stocks are they may be at all time highs but historically they don't often call the turn and <hes> they can be slow to the game. Is it a matter of bond investors knowing more because that's often this sort of naive like all of the smart market versus the dumb market but how do you think about that. <hes> divergence a think that first of all as you pointed this is not so anomalous in history as people say so quite often normally goes this way towards the end of the economic pointed out that was very flattering so you said I pointed out but anyways you your viewpoint but normally we do see that equities kind of top just kind of just as recession is basically guaranteed whereas bond markets turn much quicker and I think that a lot of people got very panicked about the bond Kerr flattening of the last year too and I I like since two thousand sixteen. I've been writing Mike Review articles in my bowl guys as like stop this panic Margaret mongering over the flattening yield curve. It's not a good indicator blah blah. It's about the steepening after the flattening. We're now getting that steepening. We're now getting the bond market is now saying hey the recession. Session is probably coming in the next six months or close enough to recession so we're we're. We're kind of following the historical path equities markets keep on going to record highs because we get that kind of bond market I would prove which provides extra liquidity <hes> lowers the discount rate for earnings and stock doc prices which makes them seem even more attractive than acid and not as basically what we get in these economic cycles and normally there's a little bit of this same sentiment story as well where we've gone through the economic cycle long enough that stock investors have learned. You know what you buy the dip you ignore the scares I don't miss it in the rally and so when they see this bond market signal they go great. That's extra easing. That's extra liquidity. That's a lower discount rate. This means I buy that dip. I don't get scared by it so I think that's what we're seeing there so you mentioned economic cycles and this is something that I've been wondering about about in recent months. We're we're pinning a lot of the economic concerns that we've seen on the trade dispute and you mentioned that economists hadn't really yet been ratcheting down their forecasts due to the tariffs because they're sort of waiting to see how it comes out but I'm wondering is it possible that what we're seeing is actually just the end of the economic cycle sort of natural end versus anything that's been spurred on by the trade war offense a really valid question probably probably not the best person that deeply I'll give you my impression of my impression is yes we have. We've had already a very long economic cycle and there's been a sign of a kind of a change in some of those indicators for sometimes and like even as I said in the equity market that's region record highs. We've nice suddenly seeing weakness. It's in transport stocks and small caps in homebuilders. We're seeing that kind of change. We're also seeing jobs that you know alot and now we've just seen some bad jobs prince and jobs actually lagging indicator so watch too closely but N._F._p._a. and A._D._p.. Last month bow showed that there is kind of a turn in the job cycle so I think that already we're reaching the end of the economic cycle. I think that's part of the reason why suddenly become structurally bearish in the last month and ends this kind of sell the rallies mode and that's because even without the tariffs in May we're looking like we're getting to kind of a difficult place in the economy economy. I thought if we got some wonderful deal all went well so I actually turned bearish on April thirtieth but when I turned bearish it was my usual just sell off for a few weeks. Don't worry and I was in the minds. It will be back at record highs again. It was a tactical bearishness but it was the change in the trade war that Said who wait a sec. We've got a really tough economic situation and since that April thirtieth days all the data from before when the trade war flared up again has disappointed again is coming even worse so the economic cycles looking really drastic and now he's gotta tariffs and top so this is a really really bad story. It's not only the without a tariffs but there seems to being a complete breakdown in the relationship between China and U._S. and I think that's really the key point that I I now no longer see a solution on the horizon expand on that and I'm curious how your perception or how the perception option of the trade situation is different here when you come to New York for a couple of weeks versus when you talk to people in your home base of Singapore yeah I mean I'm going to give us here and I'd love Tracy kind of other contradicts me and tells me she sees a different era validate this given that she's in Hong Kong but I I feel that the trade wars viewed completely differently on the either side of the globe and I think that in the U._S. everyone's very much believed that the trade war comes down to trump's decision. It's unilateral decision. He's GONNA WANNA deal before the election has had the narrative goes and therefore he'll get deal at some point it might might not be two next year. It might be a little bit difficult might be noisy but ultimately trump wants a deal in their field. Get a deal. I think that that narrative in Asia has completely shifted I think in China China also wanted to deal and they did want to deal but there is a real change in May and the reason the talks break down we heard from but I think the Wall Street Journal that broke that story saying the idea that the polit bureau basically told Xi Jinping you can't sign something to change laws and that does go back to their long history the opium wars. They still regret that so what's happened is that in China the idea of a trade war wasn't mentioned in the mainland press up before May and suddenly now. It's not only mentioned. It's been really hyped up. They know they're going to stand up to imperilling Gresham from the U._S.. They're going to go through the Long March again to get their independence and prove China's authority in the world stage demanding equal footing so I think the whole narrative has changed that China can no longer agree to any deal without U._S.. Essentially making all the initial concession so U._S. will have to remove all tariffs first before trying to get some kind of trade deal. I don't see trump going that way saying so suddenly I think the narrative has changed that I there's no chance of tried to I think optimistically we don't get more tariffs on. I think that's optimistic case <hes> but I just don't see how you get a resolution given that China can no long they've talked themselves into the mainland audience that they no longer can agree to a deal with being seen to win and trump can't afford to be seen to concede to China giving Japanese built up so much out of the election so that's where I see it. How do you hear D._C.? At Tracy from age the age perspectives well yeah I would broadly agree with that so I think partially because of the type of people who tend to work in in markets and finance an investing they have have a high tendency. Let's say to ascribe a rationality onto other actors and I'm not entirely sure at this point in time that the major actors in the trade war are actually acting that rationally and I think you're absolutely right that <hes> both China and the US at this point have boxed themselves in a bit when it comes to <hes> satisfying domestic public opinion in very different ways but it's particularly acute in China where you're right. We didn't see the. Polit bureau sort of <hes> ramping up the trade tensions talk and talking about imperialist aggression up until very recently and you can imagine it's going to be very very difficult for them to roll that back in any significant way and the same thing ain't goes for the trump administration to some extent as well if you think about for instance what they've done when it comes to hallway. How in the world are they going to start rolling that back? That feels really really difficult to sort of undo to be so. I think you're absolutely right. I mean it's got bipartisan support in the U._S.. Here so I think that's why the trump countback time both sides do actually want trump to kind of get some win against even if not the exact manner of how it's doing it so I'm pretty negative on the <hes> the trade deal and I think that's why we're going to start in CAPAC slump a lot. We're GONNA see earning slash and this goes back to the core point. Why am I so worried about the U._S.? Stock Market will it was expensive already with an economy that was turning as tracy kind of applied. Maybe there's just even the economic cycles already turning and now we're suddenly adding a complete completely disastrous scenario area for both private companies that rely on these these big multinationals re- rely on the consumer base in Asia. I think forget that you know suddenly Asia's the rising rampant middle-class consumer middle class. I think you'll have this idea that there's much especially in the U._S.. To have this idea that much of Asia's still poor and not buying apple goods. That's just not true so I think that this is a really really bad. Situation of both growth and earning slash time with stocks were expensive and afford looking basis the S. and P. Five hundred trading around sixteen point eight I of the tenure average of fifteen so it's expensive already but dot P.. Four P. will look completely different. Ones that the denominator the earning side of that get slashed the world leaders are listening. They're listening for solutions to global challenges ensuring that future generations have everything they we need world leaders and CEOS like Keshavan Bunny Martin low non Daniele Connie Hank Paulson Janet Yellen and Likud Ongo Tei are waiting to hear your ideas. If they like your idea it may become a reality you and your idea could join them at the Bloomberg New Economy Forum in Beijing learn more at Bloomberg Dot com slash solutions so mark. You've been talking a lot about equities being overvalued but I'm wondering how you feel about credit because is when it comes to a lot of finance professionals overheated credit markets has really been the sort of bugbear that people have been worried about for a long long time is it as simple as when the economic cycle turns the credit market is going going to be in for a world of pain. Is it that simple in the sense that what everyone has feared an expected for such a long time now is just going to happen. I think it is that simple. I'm really glad you brought this up because I think that it's hard to get a twenty percent plus selloff in the S. Some five hundred with that some kind of financial pain and I should be clear that even though I've turned structurally bearish the first time since the last crisis. I don't think we're having a repeat of hesitate. I don't think the global financial systems at risk. I don't think it's quite as scary as that but I do think that we're going to have some severe financial market pain and that will come in credit markets and we've heard a lot of warnings from the big credit names. You know whether I think leverage financed the area that people are most worried about but I think it's the structural problem for me that most worries the lack liquidity in credit markets so when the credit market turns. There's just no ability because the regulation we've put in since the crisis for the the banks as middlemen to stop step in and kind of control the sell off so I think the credit cycle can turn much more painful and much more rapidly than previous. Crisis is the recent <hes> stress that we've seen in various funds in London <hes> <hes> the Woodford. Is that an early indicator of anything. Is that a like. I don't know some sort of presage of trouble when the when the tide goes that you see naked type thing if you're in my point of view. It's very easy to see it that way. I'm sure that many people can kind of pick these anecdotes if you want. It's the same with suddenly this year. We've seen all those kind of massive Unicorn I._P._O.'s and again people would say that's a sign that we're reaching peak. I think if you're looking for these signals you can definitely see them and I do think some of these funds things are worrying. One of the things I is interesting is that while I've turned structurally bearish I've no particular strong view on where we're going to trade in the next couple of weeks because we might come G. Twenty or some plaudits positive politics but I think the point is that professional painters have started trading more defensively offensively in terms of their stock rotation <hes> on they started being a little bit more bearish but if you looked at this week we saw that the Hedge Fund leverage is actually reaching back to pre-crisis highs again. Is that the idea that people are actually taking on more risk and I think there's leverage in the system there. We'll get squeezed very quickly because the lack of liquidity in the credit system so you mentioned lack of liquidity in credit and you know this is something that lots of people have talked about for a long time and I certainly have written my share of articles on this and also overheating in in that market and one thing that has given me pause at various points of time is the notion that when the big sell off comes you sell what you can essentially so. I just wonder if we do get a big rupture in Financial Rachel markets. Is there a chance that instead of people rushing to sell off corporate credit and leverage loans that because of the very fact that these things are extremely illiquid and it's going to be tough to find buyers for them that they actually we don't move that much and instead. We see people selling off much more liquid. Items like stocks are government laws great question on. I'm trying to remember the playbook from how as trading to the last crisis and I have to say that the last time I was trained Jeff See it was my first crisis to be an trading seat and therefore I was learning and making the mistakes back then in some of the mistakes I learnt quite painfully and I remember quite vividly in other ones. You know I'm not sure if fully learn them but I'm trying to remember that and I think one of my my big takeaways then is that it was very clear from late two. Thousand seven that there was an incredibly big problem bring in the financial system and I and I have emails that I wrote on my g mail account to all my friends back in Orland saying look. I think all the banks are GONNA fall. I did naively think that Lehman Brothers was one of the safest I will confess <hes> which is a little bit embarrassing but that was <hes> I think hometime naive and sunny so I thought that'd be fine but I thought the most the banks were vulnerable telling friends from November ten seven that I thought there was going to be a massive systemic financial crisis and you know cash machines might not work and stuff. I was a little bit in a do among a phase but then is an emerging market trader emerging-market F._X.. Reached a record high in August two thousand and eight now as I said the stock market actually Cortez and seven <hes> it was you know we had bear stearns in March dozen seven mean leman brothers stock prices isobars working with plummeting threat that summer and yet emerging-market currencies reached an all time high in August has nate. I think that was an important message for indirect bouncing your question Tracy but kind of affirm that yes how these kind of sell offs go when we do get a negative cycle. They're very difficult to trade is not necessarily you find the most overpriced thing and you sell it or you find the most vulnerable thing you sell it. You've got to really care about the timing of when things go and I think you're right that sometimes actually assets which aren't particularly expensive but are more liquid get sold first and then you suddenly see these massive step moves later on but I guess one of my main question the las crisis that for those slightly harder that are a little bit less liquid. They are a little bit step moves. You can probably wait to your shirt the cyclist turning you know get in the trade at a slightly more expensive expensive price but you know it's GonNa make the jump move at some point rather than trying to be clever. Basically don't try to be clever through the illiquid instruments. If you're trying to be clever and time at perfectly do it to the liquid stuff we can keep on chopping and changing your mind through the liquid stuff. Wait till it certain way to maybe we see how the the G twenty trades. I didn't plays out and then go yeah. It's interesting. I hadn't remembered that or realise that exactly how well emerging-market currencies did throughout two thousand eight but it's interesting because we just recorded episode with Hyun Sung function of the B I s talking about the dollar and we're talking about that sort of relentless dollar pessimism that pervaded markets really in the years preceding <hes> the great financial crisis but really two thousand six through two thousand eight so much negativity on the dollar and that seemed to be a major source of concern a major difference in the post crisis airworthy dollars just been phenomenal. I think that's going to be a dynamic racine again. I guess part of that is because what happens is bone markets start bond on markets do react creek in the stock market because they have to date of their macro instruments whereas equity traders rely on their macro strategist provide those macro inputs so bond markets basically force the Fed to act and we've seen to see seem to see that even more than this time where the Fed is being pressed act so the easing cycle starts. It's not weakens. One of the dollar supports. The dollar starts weakening <hes> and then what you see is that because the dollar is weakening that eases the liquidity situation e._M.'s e._M._S. who does a little bit okay in that initial circumstance and you start seeing commodities do well let me forget where oil went to one hundred and fifty dollars a barrel. You know just going into the crisis and I think that's because we were seeing this kind of dollar bearishness just for the crisis and then obviously once the crisis hit properly even though as U._S. centric dollar absolutely roared an ally. I think that we're GONNA see that playbook this. We're GONNA see the dollar weaken quite a bit it. It's going to support assets that you think would be really vulnerable to global financial crisis like emerging markets like commodities but it's going to support them until quite far in until it's clear that this is a much bigger problem when that happens. I don't know maybe that's early next year. It's hard to know the time span the one difference I will say this time as I do not think the dollar gets the subsequent massive boosted you mentioned Hedge Fund leverage and I'm always curious. I enjoy asking people this question. But where do you see the leverage in the system. Now you already mentioned that you don't see it on a scale of of sort of pre two thousand eight levels but I'm sure you have some idea of where there might be sort of hidden pockets of leverage in the system. I'm not best placed onto the question I mean part of the reason I kind of said the Hedge Fund leverage this week is that I I saw the actually article on Bloomberg actually and I say that you know I didn't remember the exact details from it but they're saying that leverage is back to the pre crisis highs. It's going to jumping up again on the hatch will never system. I think what you do see is high certain acids tried and I think that it's more in certain sectors of the credit market where we are seeing that in the leverage finance the yellows and you're seeing those kind of those permanent buyers I mean stories again draws earlier about whether <hes> you see these kind of signals from certain equity stories and I think it's getting credit market. It's very easy to see the warning signs if you're looking for them. Warning signs a might have ignored even only six months ago but when you find that like there's just no one Japanese asset manager that is the main buyer of some certain type of credit product you know and they're lopping it up for like massive credit product back in Europe. That seems like a warning sign now that I'm more worried about the market so I think that we are seeing that leverage in the credit system I have any sort of Meta question about this. Call of yours and your shift to bearishness because now you're fully identify yourself as a baron. You say you know in April. It was sort of tactical but now you're like full on with a thesis. Do you find that <hes> stating that makes it harder to be nimble and that if data you know like let's say the trade dispute doesn't get as bad as you expect and maybe maybe the data starts to rebound a little bit that having publicly sort of come out as a bear. Maybe you know what if like. Will you feel comfortable in October November. Say you know what I was wrong or. Is it harder to do that once. You've sort sort of identified as it's definitely harder and I can't deny that it's something I'm very conscious of and I'm like I'm as I said in the last crisis I was pleased that I felt that I was aware of it early and I stayed perish for too long and it was horrendously unprofitable as a traitor a think I you know I try to learn or less than I will turn one. I think the fact change and I guess one of the reasons I'm trying to I. I like you know be able to express this fused because I want to know what the loopholes are. I'm hoping listeners will kind of message me after it's going to go and you're completely missing this element and that's the point the kind of change the game but having. Being analyzed lots and kind of express this view very publicly and writings on T._v. and radio last month or so. I've not found the big loophole apart from if there's a really grand <hes> trade deal continuous and trying to remove all tariffs and there's some wonderful happy world the trading then clearly one of the top that will provide a sustainable based markets but I will say that that it needs to be removal of the tariffs that are already in place not just a truce <hes>. I have what I've been trying to analyze. If we got a truce ness glacier from here are we in the Barish our scenario and I think yes but it will just come through a little bit more slowly a little more or less drastically but yes we are in the parish ner so but yeah I'm going to be alert to that. Will we see a change but I think it will take that massive trade deal to change your mind. Mark cudmore always a pleasure to talk to thank. Thank you very much for joining us and wish you hear more thank you are you convinced are you would all your money in gold and silver and under your mattress I think I told you this before but I do have a sizeable stash of silver coins that have been bequeathed to being by my my dad. No look on on a serious note at. I don't think I needed a lot of convincing that we are late cycle but again as someone who has written about overheated credit markets and leverage and the possibility of a you know liquidity driven sell off in credit markets for many many years now the question is always timing and so yes we have the trade war but I'm still a little bit uncertain exactly what the catalyst is going to be for at the end of the cycle and sorry just one more thing but it seems to me like the Fed is also acutely aware to some extent of problems in credit and whenever we do see cracks in the credit market start to develop like we did earlier in the year the Fed usually usually response yet. No absolutely I mean I. I don't know whether I'm completely convinced or not. Something does feel a little bit different now and I've been thinking about that for a few weeks really since really since the start of May a because people have been getting very the the observers of the U.. S. China relationship have been very dire and they're saying this is very serious and you see very sober-minded. Analysts talking about a new Cold War is emerging between the U._S. and China and so forth and yet even the stock selloff in May it never felt disorderly at any time it never felt panic and it started to feel like right then that some sort of gap was starting to open up between the sort of calmness of the market and you know obviously the markets bounced back versus the alarmed rhetoric of a lot of observers in ever since then it started to feel a little different and even the fact that the Fed is now shifted into easing mode with stocks not having sold off very much it feels a little bit different than past periods of tension throughout this essentially decade-long bull market. Yeah I suppose at a minimum you would ask okay okay even if the Fed isn't cutting rates into a recession if what it's trying to do is to extend the expansion well then realistically. How long are they actually going to be able to do it given that we've had what more than a decade eight now I think of expansion or exactly a decade <hes> it's sort of like pushing on a string at this point and the other argument and again? I'm getting sort of deja Vu because this is something we used to talk about a couple years ago but there's this notion of Bang for buck when when it comes to the Fed easing at what point is the market no longer impressed by the feds dovish nece or you know easing or policy measures and it does especially when you look at the bond market right the bond market is now basically demanding three rates into the the rest of the year which seems really really extreme it seems hard to believe that the feds going to be able to deliver on that and just marks point you know the the soft landing is kind of a myth the idea that the Fed has really particularly ability ready to engineer wine as evidenced by what we saw with the rate cuts the started in two thousand seven and two thousand one so even a fed that <hes> that is well attuned to the risks and observing all them credit markets and so forth and what the bond market has saying think it might just be that you know they really it. Just doesn't matter basically to your point as well right and one thing is for sure this time next year we can have mark cudmore back on and he will either be a a massive of Hero <hes> within Bloomberg or we can vilify him and make fun of him for missing out on whatever epic bull rally there's been I thought you were going to say either. He'll be a massive hero inside Bloomberg or he won't be inside Bloomberg any ha that'd be too harsh not mean either way. I love talking to mark and I'm looking forward to having him on again a year from now so looking forward to that absolutely this has been a another episode of the odd all thoughts podcast. I'm Tracy alloway. You can follow me on twitter at Tracy alloway. I'm Joe Weisenthal. You can follow me on twitter at the stalwart. 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The President is impeached

Skullduggery

55:14 min | 10 months ago

The President is impeached

"A Michael isikoff chest correspondent for Yahoo News. And I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News and a quick reminder that you can follow us at skulduggery pod and and by the way. If you've got any questions thoughts ideas you wanNA share tweet right out us now. Let's get on with the show. The as are two hundred and thirty. The nays are one ninety. Seven present is one article. One is adopted. Request question is aren't adoption of articles to the question is on the adoption of article to those in favor. Say I those opposed. Nay the Ayes have it the Ayes have it and with that. Donald J trump entered the history books as the third. US President to be impeached by the House of Representatives. It came after eight hours of floor. Debate in which Democrats and Republicans duked it out parroting the same talking points over and over parsing the same evidence the congress and much of Washington has been obsessing over for the past two and a half months and while the outcome was four ordained the road ahead seemed somewhat unsettled and Speaker Pelosi Dangling. The idea of the house may not immediately forward the articles of impeachment to the Senate for a trial until she is assured it will be a fair process but with the country divided and the Congress. This polarized what constitutes fairness and will be a political cost to the Democrats impeaching the president and then gumming up the works of the Senate can't acquit. Him will dissect what happens next with to Yahoo News reporters reporters who have been covering the impeachment drama. Amil Talk to historian Tim Neftali Matt. How trump's impeachment compares to those in the past on this episode of ABS skulduggery? Because people have gotta know whether or not their air president I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostile my heart and my best intentions still tell me. That's true but the facts and the evidence it is not I would not have sexual relations with that one there will be no lies. We will honor the American American people with the Truth and nothing else. A Michael GOV chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News. I'm Daniel Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News so we began skulduggery nearly two years ago. Talking thing about the anniversary of the Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky scandal which of course led to the last impeachment of Bill Clinton and here we are December two thousand nineteen looking at another impeachment of trump. The question is will it it. Play out the same way. Clinton's did will it be remembered by history in a similar way that Clinton's was or will it be viewed as something else well. The story isn't over yet but it seems to me. That was the line that Karl Marx Line history repeats itself self versus Tragedy Farce. And Look. This is serious stuff right. The conduct was very serious and shocking in a lot of ways but the reaction the country's reaction and the president's reaction and the tribal partisanship in our culture and trump's brazenness and his his ability to to act with impunity. Kind of dilutes the whole thing. It doesn't seem big and I think you know we've got Alex Zarian here. Who wrote about this yesterday in his coverage of the proceedings themselves? It felt a little bit like Seinfeld impeachment right you know a show about nothing and and now with the second about nothing no of course not. You're not getting my hurry issue absolutely table absolutely i. That's not my point. My point is it doesn't feel for all the reasons I talked about before. It doesn't feel like it has the kind of gravitas that impeachment should have. And that is that's sad and I think it says a lot about where we are as a country and the extent that we are in decline. Well that's very cosmic of a uh-huh country in decline. And by the way your your quote from marks actually reminds me of my favorite quote about history which is not from Karl Marx Marxist from Stanley Baldwin. Who was the Prime Minister of Great Britain in the Nineteen Thirties? WHO said history doesn't repeat itself? Historians repeat each other quote when we're having a historian Tim Naphtali on later. But let's get to serious matters with Alex Missourian Jon Ward. Did you guys have you guys been covering this every step of the way by the way I wanNA say on that point I was making it and I think I want to hear Alex about at this because he was there and he was kind of soaking up yesterday. What did trump say? His rally in Michigan when this was happening doesn't feel like we're being impeached. Right right and into a lot of the country they probably agree with although I gotta say. Trump seems pretty obsessed with being impeached. He protest most if all he wants. But Jon Ward and Alex's Aaron Welcome back to skulduggery John What happens from here well. We're all waiting to see what Nancy Pelosi does and Dan. She said last night that she's not GonNa send over the articles immediately to the Senate which came as a huge surprise to a lot of people it had been bubbling up from sort of the portions of the Democratic Party. The more left leaning members and I think in some ways Pelosi and some other allies of hers decided to kind of take a breath and not send over the articles immediately and kind of see what happens and I think we're in that to explain. Explain why she's doing this because it sounds like she's holding trial hostage the articles of impeachment hostage to get try. I can give give you three reasons one. There are people in her party. Who really want her to do this? I think she wants to figure out. Like how do I handle that. To what end okay right right. The two political benefits potentially for Democrats won. You put pressure on Republican senators by hanging this issue out there of we. We want witnesses. Why won't you call witnesses in the Senate that's always been done impeachments before and you're just trying to get this over with without a fair trial you're trying to hide the facts from the American people second you do create some friction? Maybe between Mitch McConnell the Senate Majority Leader and president trump trump wants wants has said he wants witnesses and definitely wants acquittal and so McConnell would probably be fine if Pelosi never sent him the articles he he doesn't really care and he can probably use that against her. But you can see a scenario in which trump is getting on the phone with Mitch McConnell and Mitch we gotta get these articles over here. which puts is pressure on McConnell to potentially come to the bargaining table with Chuck Schumer in the Senate and say okay? Let's play ball on the issue of witnesses so first of all Pelosi it did seem to walk it back a little in her Thursday morning. Press conference saying well. We're waiting to see what kind of trial it's going to be so we can figure out how many managers we need to send over. That's siege role punt. That's something that's she could do that today. She doesn't need to wait for the others in in the leadership. You Know Jim Clyburn. WHO's I think number three in the leadership? WHO's said he doesn't think you know until they McConnell agrees to witnesses and agrees to a fair trial. They won't send those or they shouldn't send those articles impeach over. Even that means never having a trial. So that's he said did that. That's the number three the number two hoyer said he hopes they don't use they do send him over both Hoyer and Clyburn said they have no idea what blow Flosi is going to do Chris. Van Hollen a senator who was an L. Lieutenant of Pelosi's in the House told me this morning that he thinks they should have a fair trial. He's he's been been an advocate for this idea of withholding articles but he he also said he thinks they should have a trial should not withhold them indefinitely and he indicated to me that he got wind of this idea what kind of bubbling up from the left and wanted to kind of redirect it in a more positive so directly so alex this is GonNa look to the American people like whole bunch Washington gamesmanship that. It's not really serious you know. It's just going to remind them of how this whole thing is. You know farce. I mean for a lot of people out there I mean. How does this play out there in the country my thought about why Pelosi did this is that she worried that? A Senate trial Without witnesses without any significant document production would itself be a farce would itself seem like the kind of Washington. Turn taking care of its own doing what it always does. That people outside of Washington dislike. Were at least asking for a real trial makes it seem like this impeachment is serious and they're taking it seriously in they're going to do right by the constitution and that's how she's framing it whether we believe that's genuine the actual process by the way of what you know. What does it mean to say? The House won't send articles of impeachment over to the Senate. And what do they actually have to do. The impeachment managers. John Correct me if I'm wrong. Patriot managers eventually have to walk those. But the present those articles to the Senate vote to release those to transmit the articles to the Senate right. But look here. Here is the contradiction in the Democrats position on this. You covered those many hours of debate this week. In which I heard the Democrats saying time time and time again they had made a compelling case. The evidence was overwhelming. It's all in our report. It's from our testimony if the evidence is so compelling as is why do you need additional witnesses to have a trial. The Democrats said the evidence is all there. Wouldn't you want to hear from John. Bolton side WanNa hear from John Bolton I want to hear from Mick Mulvaney and I want to hear from Mike Pompeo even want to hear from vice president pence but the fact is the Democrats could have gone to court on this issue and did remember yes. They went to court on Charles Kupperman. Who was Bolton's deputy and it went to it was assigned to a federal judge? This was a subpoena for copper. Mines testimony Bolton sort latched onto that and said he was Wanted to see how his lawyer said they wanted to see how the judge ruled Lavinia tried to latch onto bought. What but what happened? They got a Republican judge. Richard Leone who said a hearing scheduled and then shift sees that. Oh my God we could get an adverse adverse ruling from this guy. What do they do? They withhold the subpoena. They withdraw the subpoena. If the subpoena had not if they had not done that and we own ruled against them they would have had an adverse ruling from a federal judge that would have completely undercut article to obstruction of Congress because a federal judge would have ratified ride the position of the president so rather than risk undermining the article they were planning obstruction of Congress. They withdrew that Subpoena Mike Us. Here's how I would argue and I'm not saying that police is a sound one but I am trying to understand it. It's those very long reports from the house from the House. Judiciary Committee and the Intelligence Committee. Those are like grand jury reports. And now we're going to trial and trials are not tried over report. Their tried over evidence and witnesses taking the stand it. I believe that is the core of the argument in the constitution says essential hold a trial not the Senate. She'll vote on a report and I think that here's what I think it is. I I mean they really want a need those witnesses they don't have like in the Watergate case where they had John Dean you know. They had a lot of the president's men who were helping their case. In this case they mostly had sort of foreign service officers some Sunlen some trump appointees but not really close one so they really want Bolton they really want Mulvaney and they don't have any Senate Republicans who are with them yet. Maybe they'll get one or two they had but that's what they need. And so they had enough witnesses to get this through the house on a purely partisan vote but not enough. This is Mike Review would be doing the same thing. Because you're trying to prosecute this case of course actively so that's what you do. They're in a bind because they want those witnesses but they want them before February they want them. Before the caucuses. Well will that would see. Also you know it's still unclear whether Bolton Mulvaney at all would testify even with the a Senate subpoena the you know there are still the privileged claims out there. They could well. This could well end up in court anyway. That could drag on once. You're testifying saying well. Yes but once. You're actually agreed to testify test litigated because the federal courts have no say so part of this also just the democratic message is shifting as they go from majority to minority in the majority. Your obligation is to put on the case. In the minority the Democratic object here for is to basically portray the Republicans as hiding from the public and they probably know that they're very unlikely to get witnesses in the trial so let's actually talk about the mechanics of that because McConnell say as much as he wants no witnesses but at the end of the day he is going to have to put it up to a vote and it's a simple majority. It's fifty one so they have fifty three fifty three forty seven to forty seven so you would need read. What three defections right you three defections? So this fifty fifty. I'm right knee okay. Four four right so what. I'm not sure are you. Would I guess to pass something. I mean can't come in and break time on this one right. He would be so then. What the chiefs but So that's part of the strategy here is to put pressure on these on these Senate. Republicans Jefferson debate about the fairness the trial whether there ought to be witnesses to get some of these Senate Republicans maybe have to go on record on this question and then when you actually start art senate trial. That question of witnesses will come up and it seems to me that McConnell's main objective here is to prevent a vote route that forces Collins Mc Sally and Gardner the three Flea Vulnerable Senate Republicans from having having to vote against witnesses against hearing all the evidence against the president. But you know I. I'm not so sure it's going to be so easy. See for him to avoid a vote. Kenny here's I just want to step back for a sec from the mechanics and the politics to something that shifts said he Adam Schiff said yesterday which is we want a fair Senate trial and the American people should want that and the president should want that he said something to that effect and I think think that we should all want a thorough trial so that whatever descended ultimately votes whether to convict or took what we believe. That is the right decision and we can sort of. We can have that Cathartic moment where we can say however this and this ends now and I don't think we get that without. Witnesses is without document production without those documents from the State Department and from the Office of Management and budget about the holds on Ukrainian aid to we. Should I think we should all want this away. This is I mean. They're only been to impeach trials but that president was sat. There were witnesses. Let's not overdo. Do the witnesses in the Clinton trial. There was a handful. They were not in chamber positions that were taken not in front of all the senators senators. Sid Blumenthal was one of them. Monica Lewinsky was another kind of a key witness well. Lanka's Winstons Ski was Sushi. uh-huh was she involved some. Hi Dan just to interject here. You asked earlier about whether the House has to vote to send the articles to the Senate and I was literally getting conflicting information over my text messages. As you're asking that but I just got confirmation from Pelosi's office yes. They do. Need the vote so back to my question. How does McConnell avoid a vote on whether to have witnesses because seems to me? That's the UH that strike question you strike a deal with fifty one republicans or fifty three to vote as a majority eighty on a package of rules that doesn't include witnesses that realized vulnerable Republicans in abide. I don't be good. I don't think you can avoid avoiding against holding hearing witnesses at a trial crucial witnesses. That's a difficult vote for her. Some of these Senate and let me add one thing here. What we're witnessing? Today is two of the shrewdest operators in Washington. And that's of course house speaker. Nancy Pelosi and Senate majority Jordan leader. Mitch McConnell going head to head as they rarely do right. An impeachment is one of those times when the two chambers the lower chamber the House in the Upper Kimber. The Senate really do collide in this really interesting way. And of course that collision is being led by Pelosi on one side and mccollum column the other. And that's just really a rarity and part of the reason we're debating this is because they're both so good they're such good tacticians. We also give some credit to Schumer humor. Who really started with his Imploring McConnell otherwise. It's not clear to me that Pelosi's in control this process to be honest. Well why not because. I didn't get the sense that she really was in total control of her talking points after the vote when she said she would withhold the articles. It was clear that her communications director was trying to get her out of there. She wasn't able to answer direct questions ends and that continued today. She refused to answer questions at the morning. Press covers A. They've just impeach the president and she says well that's all I'm going to say about this. Does she went on and on and ask the press corps you she listed like eight. Things asked me about this asked me about this and pressroom was silent because we all want answers to to this question just to take you back to the actual debate on the floor of the House. Alex you're covering it. Give us a sense of what that was lake. AAC The mood in the chamber. What the interaction was among the members? The mood was oddly. Slack in this goes back to a Danny was saying the opening king of the show people were joking. People were looking at their phones. People were getting up going to launch. The the wasn't the tension for example. I remember being in the cavenaugh hearing room in the Senate of course in the tension was incredible. Nobody nobody move come. You didn't know the outcome you saw. The Jeff Flake was rattled. And you didn't know why and you didn't know why I suddenly the Democrats were getting up going into the cloakroom. You didn't know what grassy was thinking you didn't know what Feinstein was thinking of course remember Jeff. Flake was confronted by that protester. The woman was a victim of sexual assault. That was a truly dramatic moment that change things at least for a while. Yesterday everybody knew how the day was going to end with the president. Impeached unto article. The only question really he was. Would we all make it home for dinner. And I- dinner at about midnight so you know Washington Post reporters got into a little trouble. Yes they did. Tell us about that. Yes well this is one of those episodes when the right whether fairly or not believe that has uncovered hovered evidence of media bias. And that's because some Washington Post reporters went out to the Dubliner as I'm sure Mike and most of my twenties at the Dublin of well known Washington pub near Capitol Hill and one of the reporters took a photograph that said were celebrating. Impeach Impeach Mus Christmas for impeachment in that had been a meam on the Internet in the days preceding the impeachment and and then stupidly put it on social media and then it was seized on first by Mike. CERNA Vich who is a A right wing conspiracy Z.. Nut Firebrand Tribune of objective journalism. Mike Serna Veg so that would have been enough. But then Stephanie Grisham the White House. Communications Director tweeted about it and then Brad par scale. I saw this morning the trump reelection campaign manager who tweeted about it so so what was clearly just a bunch of reporters just enjoying a beer and a burger after or maybe a veggie Burger or something else. I don't want to Enjoying a night out after an incredibly long day became a sort of for the president supporters. A lesson in just how biased has to media is. Are there any pictures of you having dinner last night. No I had salmon by myself. If you were eating a veggie Burger that would indeed the incriminating. Yeah I WANNA ask ward about a piece that he wrote and this goes back to Nancy Pelosi's tactics and there. Was this idea that you know the word came. We went out to The Democratic Conference No gloating no spiking the football tone as to be more in sorrow. Oh than anger. This is a sad day padded that play out. How sincere was that? To what extent was that real versus tactical. Talk about that. I I think the lion that piece that I kind of workshop the most was this idea. That strategy is not mutually exclusive with sincerity I think there was both I you know depending on who you are in Congress you may have varying degrees of one or the other. I think some of these members members who are freshmen members from swing districts. I talked to Max rose. WHO's a combat veteran from Afghanistan? And he was just aghast past that you would even be of strategy about you know how to conduct yourselves during an impeachment. He has that luxury because he doesn't have to think about four hundred thirty five members or a majority of two hundred and thirty three and how to you know. Drive that ship or steer that ship but that's a tough vote for him impeach it it is but he can lose his job over it actually all of those other National Security Democrat even for him there. Is You know political considerations but yeah. I mean if you're Nancy Pelosi and you've got repeatedly going going out there and selling t shirts about we're going to impeach the mother. I don't know if we can cut as yes. Yes mother fuckers which can say mother. You can say motherfucker you so I'll be. I'll I'll be the boy scout here if you've got her going out there and saying that then you know you WanNa make sure that that does not become come a habit because that comment itself which was from January. I think was raise January of this year. It was raised multiple times on the floor by the Republicans I mean every moment Republicans got even a hint. This is the best one the RNC tweet it out. And then e mail to reporters a clip of Jerry Nadler Chuckling on the House floor for like a half a second in a he was chuckling towards Doug Collins. It was completely innocent and they sent that out. As that was evidence Collins being his Republican counterpart on Communist Ricans if there was evidence of a partisan jubilee over impeachment Elyssa there were hugs. Doug there were high fives. I was looking down at the pit. Even though they told us not to lean over the parapet of the press gallery there were celebrations were muted. But you you know you saw Ilan Omar of another freshman sort of hugging a member of the squad member of the squad then was some but it was it was muted John. You're absolutely absolutely correct. And I I certainly think someone like Max rose a national security Democrat or slot can also in that group. They definitely understand the severity. Verity of a question about you. Call it political courage. I'd like to know what both the gentleman I think of this. So we've all read about the you conservative or moderate Democrats in those trump districts Who just came in in this last election and are now took this tough impeachment impeachment vote and many of them may be booted out because of that vote was that just principal on their part and then it raises the question of if those people are principled and willing to take a tough vote like that talk about slot in document? Max Rose talking about Spam Burger in Virginia. And they're a handful of others. Why shouldn't we expect that Senate Republicans would vote to convict? At least a handful of them would vote to convict. Is I have to do with the difference. Between the two chambers numbers or the base of each party is what it is Senate Republicans their base wants them to acquit house. Democrats that's even if there is in a swing district that is you know. Plus ten trump their base where they get the core of their votes. Want them to impeach and so everything is about base politics now You have to have your base behind you. There is no room for moderation. There is no reward award from voters for compromise. But by the way did you note the line. In trump's that rambling unhinged letter he sent to Pelosi towards the end when he makes reference to even Jerry Nadler has a primary opponent. Is that why he so pushing for impeachment. Each moment of course to pat ourselves on the back. We had that primary opponent on Lindsey Boylan running against Nadler arguing doing that. He was not strong enough on impeachment when he kind of changed I recall sort of changed his tune a little bit when she started raising a ton of money on each meant. Yes that was exactly. The point had a primary opponent on his left in the upper west side of New York. So you know how far left you can get trust. Kreisky mentioned VIC raising money. Hammering him for not being aggressive enough on an impeachment and sure enough he began to speak up right. After and the rise of completed Loyd and the demise of Party power means the party structure cannot protect incumbents from this kind of blow back from the base but at the same time. Here's my question when really this is going to Danny's question if you're Mitt Romney. Could you be in a safer position to vote your conscience than you are today. You're not up for reelection until twenty twenty four. YOU'RE IN UTAH. Were your widely beloved. You clearly already have spoken out against trump so so nobody will be surprised if you vote to convict or frankly. Few Lisa Murkowski in in Canada in Alaska. Where so you've always been known as an independent again? You voted against Cavanaugh. Why can't we expect them to do the same thing? These National Security Democrats said. I think we I think that's it's an absolutely fair question and John Urinalysis of I don't have to tell you that your analysis of party politics is completely correct but I don't think that's sufficient. Excuse excuse for someone like Romney or Makovsky. Will you know they're smart enough to have considered this as fully as we'd want our senators to still don't know how they're gonNA vote right. I mean they have they either of them said I think we know Danny I. I don't think we now I think Romney is a potential vote for impeachment. Let's not let's not. I'm not holding out. I hope let's not forget. The Clinton impeachment vote when Arlen Specter Republican from Pennsylvania voted not proven as supposed to Gabbard. What well she voted present but as a better surfers devoted present because her argument was a house divided cannot stand she was making a point about unity? Either that that ship hitting take you to a point more in the polls immediately debates. Let's just speculation. That trump would already this morning. There was speculation. Trump would name her as as his running mate and I liked that one John. Alex thanks again and we will have you guys back as the drama continues us into the future for the next impeachment for the next impeachment. Thanks and now for a historical perspective on Donald Trump's impeachment. We are joined by Tim. Neftali associate professor of history at Nyu and the CO author of impeachment and American history. Tim Welcome to skulduggery. My my pleasure. Great to be here with you Mike and Dan so as you probably saw the Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell today called this Sir the thinnest impeachment in American history. Is he right if he means that the investigation was the shortest. I think it competed with Andrew. Johnson won't evanger Johnson's impeachment efforts after all that they tried a few times to impeach enter Johnson. If he's talking in about the strength of the evidence behind the article one article of impeachment. No I mean it It says there's a strong amount of evidence the supporting Article One. The challenge of course is that there are holes in the narrative there now. The holes don't create a lot of doubt out about the impeach ability of the conduct the president's conduct but they are holes man the last and the reason for those holes is much less less the time of the investigation and much more of the fact that the president undertook a complete stonewall of the impeachment inquiry now you said said that there was compelling or strong evidence for Article One. You didn't address article too which is obstruction of Congress. which is new a new wrinkle? We haven't seen an article of impeachment before that is crafted in just that way and as you know the point is made. Hey the Democrats could have gone to the courts. They could have gotten a favorable ruling from a federal judge that says the president's claims of privilege edge were unwarranted here. But they didn't do that and so now one branch. The Congress is saying the other branch the Executive Initiative has violated the Constitution of the United States by asserting privileges without any ruling and by a federal judge that the congress is right. Well I'm I'M GONNA respond by by looking at the history. I'll leave the legal arguments to two lawyers lawyers. Richard Nixon was impeached for inadequately complying with the inquiries. His inquiries subpoenas the impeachment inquiry of Nineteen. Six seventy four did not go to the courts the famous Supreme Court decision of us. Nixon with regard to materials requested by the Watergate Special Prosecution force and even before then George Washington I I think in a very interesting response to a request at the time of the Jay Treaty are just add just around the time of the Jay Treaty. He was the house requested documents about about the Jay Treaty. There's a lot of opposition to the Jay Treaty which is a treaty with with Great Britain A lot of opposition by the Jeffersonian Democrats and they were thinking about withholding funding of the Implementation Package of this treaty and they wanted information in about the way in which the treaty had been negotiated in Washington writes back. Look you don't have a right to that information. It's the Senate that is my partner in Foreign Policy I mean the the the first president United States very much had Alexander. Hamilton's idea of sort of primacy of the art of this article to uh-huh institution but he understood that the Senate had a role in confirming ambassadors and also in confirming treaties. So he said look you're not the Senate Senate but he said if this were an impeachment inquiry that'd be different because they're the house has a right to request materials. Even outside side of the normal purview of its oversight responsibilities so Washington very early on reflects I assume the thinking of the founders that there was something special about a congressional request in the context of an impeachment inquiry. So we have that on the record and that means that this stonewalling by Donald J trump is not the same as stonewalling run-of-the-mill stonewalling. That always or run of the mill. Nick negotiations it always occur curve between the executive branch branch. We have those all the time and we always have sort of a push. Push me pull you situation where presidents Republican or Democrat Democrat alight. I like will claim executive privilege. That's a run of the mill occurrence in our separation of powers System but but Washington recognize them. I assume recognize it because the founders all of them recognized that there's something special about a request that's pursuant to an impeachment inquiry so Donald J trump's decision to stonewall everything I mean he didn't even do the limited the Richard Nixon's limited compliance He didn't even eat it. Even pretend to comply that was unprecedented and so I think the congress needed to respond In a tough way was it right. Was it right to forego going to court to get a judicial ruling and just go straight to. We're going to invoke articles impeachment On this well. They had precedent on their side. I mean if you were Gonna well in the article three Ah was passed by the House Judiciary Committee Against Richard Nixon which is about Richardson. And not fully complying with the subpoenas but look at the end of the day. Nixon was was impeached. Not For that. He was impeached because he was caught red handed with the smoking gun tape and obstruction of justice raid. Well Justice was clearly the the strongest article that the House passed there. Well the how. Well what's worth remembering I think and I know it's it's far in the midst of the past but it's worth remembering is that Richard was that the judiciary committee passed in a bipartisan partisan way three articles of impeachment before the revelation of the smoking gun transcripts. They did it before the transcript was available so so there were. There was a lot going on at the time. I wouldn't say that any of them were was the was the strongest. I mean article too which was the abuse of power article that one involved the misuse of the IRS and that raised a lot of hackles. The third article was the one about not complying. And I I would say that it would be hard for me to imagine a president being removed from office simply for not responding to an inquiry it has to be linked to another article. I cannot cannot imagine a one article impeachment and that article would only be obstruction of Congress or contempt of Congress. So I agree with you that there has to be another article in the case of Donald J trumpet. It's the article with regard to abuse of power now and that. But YOU'RE NOT GONNA get an argument for me about the value of getting more information nation and pushing for more information one of the things I learned as director of the Nixon Library to my dismay was the extent to which there were still bill people and are still people who believe a counter narrative about nineteen seventy four and partly. That's due to the fact that the documents and tapes that have come out since the Watergate crisis haven't been fully absorbed by a lot of the public and so the fact that Richard Nixon that the documents documents that incriminate Richard Nixon are even more numerous and the tapes are even more numerous than was the case in nineteen. Seventy four isn't fully understood so the case ace of the Ukraine scandal. I suspect as more materials come out the strength and power of that particular The argument demint that the majority in the house made will. It'll it'll it'll grow stronger now. Why do I say that I say that because if indeed there was exculpatory evidence the president could use? We would see it. We would have it. He would've asked Mulvaney to testify. I don't know about bulletin. Because he can't really control Bolton Bolton's decision making a sweet generous but there are people in the OEM be underneath mobile. That could have testified. There are documents that pompeo could have released. There are a lot of things things that president trump could have provided congress if indeed there's a counter narrative that substantiated by evidence and that exonerates him but he didn't do that so my assumption abortion is the more we learn about the Ukraine matter. The greater the need to impeach the president but you. You don't expect all of these things to come out on on the Democrats timeline. Which is is a pretty moving pretty swiftly here yes and that's why I would have but you know no one asked I I mean I I understood i? I don't I'm not inside the the heads of the Democratic leadership but my understanding is I guess was true of everybody was that somehow they're time line was linked to a set of assumptions. They had about the how people would play during the primary season and so they wanted it out out of the way I I would have preferred a longer process. I don't by wait. That said I'm not suggesting that the way that the time line made it unfair to president trump. I would agree that it was rushed. I would prefer the more material a better when it comes to impeachment but that's based on my having studied past impeachment and having actually witnessed years after the fact the amount of misinformation still in the public speier about the Nixon experience. I mean I was shocked. Look at the number of people I mean again. I was in southern Orange County. I was obviously in an area where Richard Nixon has a has a lot of support. I was shocked by the number where people didn't understand how enormous the case was and how watertight the case was against President next. Well let me ask you this. Because is in trump's ability to thoroughly stone Wallis investigation and Congress and to do so with you know kind of total impunity. It raises a question about the power of impeachment in this moment. And I'm this is struck. I've been going back and reading the final days and looking at course. Nixon was impeached speech. But they did pass articles of impeachment and the Judiciary Committee and it was imbued with such a sense of gravity. I mean I was just reading that Peter Rubino. After they voted he was his whole body trembling. He was weeping. He calls his wife. Anne says I pray that we did the right thing here. All of this has been so so diluted because of polarization because of trump's you know brazenness going forward I mean is is impeachment a powerful constitutional tool or has it been spent in some ways. Well a couple of things first of all I I did last summer. I authored this book with Peter Baker and Jeff Angle and Jon meacham. One of the things I did was I told the story which is a nice part of that story and final days but I I managed to get at some diaries that that would remember seeing Didn't have access to at the time. And I told the story of how the Southern Democrats and the Republicans Republicans chose to vote against their constituents because there was a lot of support for Nixon I mean after all won a landslide. Victory Nineteen seventy two. There's a lot of support worked for him in their districts and voted against their base. If you will on the basis the basis of the of the of the evidence and one of the things as as you mentioned Peterborough Zero. Dino worked very hard with a Republican named John Door to oversaw a non-partisan impeachment inquiry staff. They they work really hard to create a safe space for Republicans and Southern Democrats to be constitutionalists. I keep mentioning the southern Democrats because the Democratic Kurdi was certainly not a united behind impeachment in the next period and the southern Democrats have been you know. They had been flattered and got a lot of attention from Richard Nixon and he had whole strategy to bring them over to the Republican Party. So it was. It was something to get them to vote for impeachment. In any case the the democratic leadership ship were tarred to create The right atmosphere for that open minded us. Well we we did not see that the similar atmosphere this time around there's a big difference and other similarity the leadership of the Republican Party. As I discovered there was a diarrhea could not have I did not have access to last here and Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward Gut got a few pages of it for the final days but the entire diary was not open for research until last month and I wrote a piece in Atlantic that appeared two days ago where I have this story I have a story whose down talking about Barbara Carnival who is in the Republican leadership and I tell the story of what the Republican leadership was thinking during the Nixon period and they were very very cowardly they knew that Nixon was unstable was with Nixon. Nixon was not fully focused on presidential matters in nineteen in seventy four and they'd be Republican leadership very much wanted him to resign and they were they were sending signals that he should consider resigning There were some trouble loons in the spring of nineteen seventy four and The Republican rank and file went to the leadership and said stop it. Don't do this. Our base does not wanna hear this from us. We are going to suffer if it looks like. We're pushing the president out the door and so the Republican leadership stopped stopped and in fact put pressure on those few Republicans on the Judiciary Committee to defend the president so there were some very very similar pressures that bore upon Republicans in nineteen seventy four. Who wanted to be constitutionalists and to think about the case against Nixon without regard to party so Oddly enough there there are real similarities. Now the difference is the nature of the evidence. The evidence was so overwhelming and it was in the president's voice. You cannot underestimate the importance of the Nixon tapes in that impeachment. I do not believe for example that that without the tapes. Richard Nixon would have been impeached. I Richard Nixon would've easily finished a second term if he didn't have the taping system. Where if he hadn't destroyed the tapes? Why do we say that? Because the Repub the Democrats didn't push for impeachment against Richard Nixon despite everything that had been found by the Watergate special by by the Watergate The Senate Watergate Committee. Despite despite John Dean's testimony. Democrats weren't pushing for impeachment until the Saturday night massacre until Richard Nixon and fired the Watergate special prosecutor Archibald Cox over access to the tapes. Well you don't have any tapes you don't have the firing of a special prosecutor. You don't have this firing hiring a special prosecutor. You don't have an impeachment process against Richard Nixon despite information about the enemy's list despite John Dean's testimony by the president at least knowing about the cover up in the spring of Nineteen seventy-three. So I think that what you don't have today is you. Don't have the tapes and I think it's very very hard very very hard to have the kind of national consensus which by the way came slowly in the Nixon case people didn't like Nixon absolutely true. His public opinion. It's support was down to twenty five percent but they still didn't want to remove him. You don't get over. Fifty percent support for removing him. Until the you have this sort of mountain of evidence so I really believe that impeachment are very difficult to obtain and removals goes by the Senate are. I don't know if we'll ever see one. Without an enormous amount of material we would've seen it in seventy four but given the fact act. The impeachment was a remedy designed before we had parties. It takes an even higher standard for a party to remove a president of the same party. Never imagined that so. We're imagine that that'd be apparent given the high bar and given the fact is as you said at the outset set of this interview that there are some significant holes in the evidence. Was it the right thing to do for the Democrats to aggressively pursue impeachment. Well they didn't aggressively pursue it after mower and I agreed with that I didn't feel that there was a case to be made that the American people would understand and not because the American people can't understand that sophisticated issues but because the case was in volume two of Muller and it was a case of obstruction of justice. And I thought it would be very hard to explain. The American people why you would be a suggesting the removal of president for for obstructing an inquiry. That didn't have a provable underlying crime. Now we know legally lawyers will tell you you can go to jail for obstructing an inquiry even if the inquiry finds nothing wrong. Because you've just aren't allowed to obstruct the FBI or any other investigator true but we're talking here about a political process to remove a president so so I would and I would argue that the Democrats if they were aggressively pursuing impeachment would gone for impeachment to leadership. I know some stragglers were going forward but the leadership would have gone for it. After Muller they went on this approach as a result of the fact that the president had used the instruments of our foreign policy for personal gain. I understood from the get-go that foreign foreign policy is extraordinarily difficult area to explain to the American public. Most Americans have no emotional connection to it except with regard to doc obviously protection from from foreign threats foreign threats that there wouldn't really be the same emotional reaction to a foreign policy. A miscount foreign policy misconduct as you would be If it were a domestic matter nevertheless the question was to me at least should the house not pursue this a plainly a plausibly peach impeachable case last the Senate rejected. Should've just I do. It and I felt that given the fact that the whole impeachment system was put into place to maintain the balance of our our constitutional institutions. That this was absolutely the right scandal to investigate as a possible. Impeachable offense if if you'd let the so so even though I would I'd I'd never assumed that the Senate would remove this president on the basis of this unless you would come up with either a tape or four or five of his close associates. Actually turning on him and saying he made clear to US quid pro quo which. I didn't think it was likely I think he might have done that. But I don't think it was likely that anyone would testify to that effect. I just assumed that it just wouldn't end in removal but I feel that it would be a key part of the house it would be a I would I felt that they were they. Would they would not be fulfilling their constitutional duties if they didn't react back to this kind of abuse of power we wanted to have you on for the historical perspective and it's clear that You know in times like this rhetoric gets Quite heated and hyperbolic at times. We had the one of the constitutional law professors who testified said if this is not impeachable nothing is impeachable. You had Adam Schiff yesterday saying that you know. Our democracy may not survive unless Donald Donald Trump is impeached but from the sweep of history of American history and the many abuses of power. We have seen gene Iran. Contra secret foreign policy run by Ronald Reagan to funnel arms to a to the guerrillas in Nicaragua against the ban man by Congress to do so George W Bush's manipulation of intelligence to launch a war against a country Iraq that had not attacked us. Franklin Franklin Roosevelt selling arms to Britain in violation of the neutrality act passed by Congress I mean does this rank to you as an abuse that exceeds others by previous presidents who have not faced impeachment fun. I'm always I'm always worried about hyperbole in the defensive of an approach and so I remember very well Nick Sonian making the argument a a that other presidents have done this they would say you know other presidents have done worse. 'cause then they would talk to me about something that John F. Kennedy had done or purported to have done on something that Lbj may have done and and my response to them was when it comes to impeachment you take it presidency by presidency and you ask yourself if this conduct by. This president is a threat to the constitution. You don't ask whether it's less of a threat or more of a threat than That which was done by an earlier president because by that standard presidents could do almost anything they want and just say well look. It's not as bad as what exit in nineteen in whatever and that worries me. There's a certain situational ethics. I think that arises so do I see other examples of abuse that during the same category or or or Greater. Oh yes I mean Richard. Nixon was a serial abuser of power. It's possible that Donald Trump is as well and made in fact. It's probably likely but in terms of what's provable. And what's in the article. We're really talking about one. Long example of it I would say Iran Contra Mantra is a fascinating case because there was criminality the issue of impeachment though would have rested on. What Royal Reagan new if Ronald Reagan had had masterminded this entire process and had been the one to think about taking the extra money made from Iran and using it for the contras? Yes he would have had. You've been impeached. Without a doubt it was just very plausible given his management approach and just his general demeanour that he didn't know the details and in in fact had an ordered this to be done. And that's why he wasn't impeached. But certainly it was a grave challenge to our constitutional system. It just turned out the president. What's really primarily the one at fault? Well Him we could. We could go on discussing that and many other examples. Unfortunately my co host Danny has to catch a train. So we're going to Call it quits for now but definitely want to have you back as this drama plays Out into the New Year be my pleasure and thank you Dan and thank you Mike for Inviting me to participate. Thanks so much to annex. Thanks to our Yahoo News. 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Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis (HR 3) 191226

"WHOA WHOA Margot top of the hour wolf? And that's yes. Oh My god God yes I like it. There will be. There will be one hour tomorrow. It's part it's part of Europe paycheck for today demands one whoop every hour. I was not informed. I'm sure if you read the fine print of your contract this wow Before we get more calls eight seven seven seven ten. ESPN wanted to hit. On something that John Ireland we heard heard The final call heading into the segment. That Lakers GonNa have to regroup right now because they are on a four game losing streak. This is a team that up until recently hadn't even experienced a two game losing streak there now on a four Gamer and this is a team that has spent a lot of time talking about their chemistry and talking. About how good their chemistry is how bonded they are Javale McGee saying they never been part of a team that was was this bonded. On and off the court jail McGee recall played for championship teams with the warriors and he made it clear that was not meant as a shot at golden state. He just meant I've never been a part of a team with this much. Unity on and off the court. And what's interesting about that is. I've heard that from a lot of people heard that from a lot of players they bring bring it up unsolicited. So I think it's real but it's also never been tested and this is the first period for this team where that chemistry's actually really being tested. It's easy to build good chemistry when everything is going great but to me the value of true chemistry is how it helps you when things aren't going well and this is one of those periods. Now where the Lakers. If that chemistry is real we'll see it's going to be tested either way Well I thought they handled last night pretty well. I mean it was a close game. It came down to the last possession and the clippers just made one more play than you did. Who knows Lebron pulls up from there he hits it and we're talking about how Great Lebron is for the last two hours? That's just the way this thing goes but I think the chemistry like you said it wasn't in about last night is how you deal with last night going forward Because like you said Clipper fans are happy. You're going to see a lot. More Clipper fans than you've ever seen in your life since you did build this up as the battle for Los Angeles so they want it So the chemistry part is going to actually take effect right now. How do you get better Regardless heartless of losing to the clippers. You've lost four straight. So how do you write the ship so I hope that chemistry is as genuine as like you said unsolicited because because as genuine as they say you you've been in this before you know when team start losing that's when players start becoming a little more particular about their minutes is a little movie about their role they start thinking. Well we could win. We could win more if I did X.. If I was allowed to do a little bit more of something you know that's when you start questioning what the coach is doing you. You look at Frank Vogel in particular. He entered this season the big narrative. The big question was. When is Jason Kidd GonNa take his job shop? When is Jason Kidd going to be the guy you'd have is on the back of your head? He's somebody who has a reputation fair or not as a a professional coach killer and you know he also had a better established relationship with Lebron than Frank Vogel. Frank Vogel to his credit has not allowed any of that to bother him. I think by and large has done a very good job. Coaching this team. But whether it's really a thing or not this is where those questions are going to start. Being raised by fans being raised by media and this group led by Frank Vogel led by Lebron James. Anthony Davis the most important members of the team. They're going to have to be able to handle it. Well eventually. It's going to be a team. I think he's going to be here longer than most right. He's going to be here longer than Lebron in the long run. So the sooner sooner he takes ownership the better if you ask me. It's just going to be tough with Lebron's still on the floor yet. Match in. La and a clippers fan wants to weigh in. What's up Mitch? Hey Good morning guys. Too happy holidays. Happy Festivus your family. Happy Festivus d you as well. I think I've got anything happening to account for everything. Yeah that's the main. That's the main to be I'm offended the year there. They've been the cops over the NBA. Thick I did. It's they're very deep. But one of the Lakers. I think Lebron play. Oh more than three years but they need to get a point guard. He's doing too much. Isn't he lean league in assist. UCSC permit center and he's still being out of the top five. He's the best player motamed. I think appreciate the call their Mitch. I mean the idea of Lebron Ron doing too much that concept has it's now smacking Laker fans and the Laker organization the face because that groin issue that he was dealing with leading into this game then got reactivated Taking a charge from Patrick Beverley in the first quarter day McMenamin reporting that Lebron might have miss some games. Because is there concern. They're concerned about worsening. It and that will really illustrate the question of how is this team. On the broncos. Were they built in a way that Lebron Ron has to do too much. Has he been doing too much. What's your movie guy like me right? Yeah was it superman too. When he got punched in the face when he lost his powers I yes and he said my blood for the first time I was on blood? Yes laker fans and Lebron fans in particular have to get used to that phrase which you just said Yeah. Lebron John can do too much At this point in his career there is nothing no not anymore. He's human and he's aging. He needs help and I think that helped was already here but I think the focus should start to shift to a D.. Sooner than later they're going to need to find ways and an anthony. Davis has to his credit has improved a lot as a playmaker over the last couple seasons. He can be a really good passer. They're going to need more of that. Complete picture from Anthony Davis moving forward JARU SOUTH PASADENA HAS I guess a response to Mitch. And the other clipper fans have called it. I can't I believe you guys let all. These clipper losers. Hey there is fair man they won the game losers there are a whole bunch of losers. That's why they're so happy like they WANNA championship yesterday. Are you kidding me. Do you think the Lakers would would have one would've just been. I don't believe I'm GonNa tell you right now. They cared about this game. I'm not believing. Don't believe him right now. Yeah that's what they were joking around with little heart right before halftime because they cared so much. Act that way in the playoffs gate right. Well first of all when when they were joking around with Kevin Hart they were up twelve. I think at that point that they're going to win the game that's right. That's my point was spontaneous. Assuming that it wasn't a Kevin are you saying the Lakers didn't take seriously lost night after the first half. I don't think they did. They have they clip Renisha. What to be scared there was no answer for I mean why? Wait Jerus- why wouldn't you just win the GIN more active con- yeah I mean what what do you think this is like a Ponzi scheme. Long game coming really dependent. Make it to the playoffs man. But why wouldn't you just win the game win the best way to sign a message to rue. Be The actually win the game. Stop to stop. No but I think For the Clippers win the game being good for the entire Brian the NBA but in reality this is just another game whereas we're looking to make it to. The playoffs was making into the look. I agree with that. No answer for eighty. I agree so they had no answer so they backed off Syrup. What happened to Monterey? I had when you got Dwight Howard over him. What happens to interest her? Boys could even be shut absolutely. You saw the first live book. But you're this is my question. All of your analysis I agree is on. They don't have a real matchup for Anthony. Dwight Howard did a good job in the first half of making mantras hair more of a non factor. All of that is correct. Why wouldn't they keep doing it and actually win the game? Stop their own losing Streak even if they even. If it's just one game and I agree with you in the grand scheme of things is why wouldn't they win the game because we are trying to win a championship not to win in La but you can still do both like. It's not a choice. It's not one or the other. You can actually do both. Okay just stop this going. Nowhere stops I have a good holiday. Ager yes there. Yeah wow I mean. Did he really say the Lakers just lost because they didn't care they just show. They can beat the clippers and then just backed off or a half. You do that when you tell you. It's real out there. You have it when you've beaten the clippers already a couple times this season right what. They're trying to snap a losing using strap. Stop just and I look where I agree with. DREW IS I. Think the for the clippers organization emotionally. This game means more to them than the Lakers i. I agree with him there but when meaningless to the Lakers not at all meaningless game well it should have been as much should have been meaningless. Was it it should. It should have as much the lakers. As it stands a clipper player's fan base is different. You heard you just heard one right. Yeah he's not GonNa let you in all right so wait ray culver city. Are you agreeing with Jerusalem this yes to a degree. But I'M GONNA I'm GonNa add something to it all right. Let's let's just real clear about this so I said it's a meaningless game simply because of the fact that at the end of the day you have you're not gonNA show your cards a game thirty of a season when it comes to a seven game series when he becomes match ups and rotations get tighter and real play. Call start coming out. That's when you get to see Frank Vogel because Frank Mike Volvo for what it's worth is the defensive coach. He is a guy that knows how to make place he took it. INDIANA PACER team had nothing but scrubs on them and made them competitive against Lebron James and his cavalier team in Miami Heat teams. I am not worried about what I'm watching right now because at the end of the day. Yes they were up by twelve and a half. They gave David up so be it. The Clippers won the champion. The Christmas Day Bowl. I don't I don't care at the end of the day. You still got to play a seven game series healthy in my most importantly shortly healthy. I don't care about any of that stuff. Lebron should take a month. Take two months off Raleigh here. I want a healthy Laker team. But if he did take a month. Aw How do you think they would compete as long as they get into the tournament. That's all right now. Did to the tournament the clippers. Tony Right now. All we're worried about is getting to the tournament. That's why they have a twenty two and ten record. Let me ask you a quick question. Quick question and this is something that just popped in my head from listening Listening to your call right now. When you're talking about the Lakers not showing all their cards in this match? Because you're thinking about as a potential playoff matchup do you think that could be potentially. Why Anthony Anthony Davis hasn't been featured as much during these games when the clippers don't have a real natural matchup been to begin with because the intuitive read beat on it would be just Powell Anthony Davis or do you think the clippers showed all their cards last night? I think it's both I think it's both sides but I'll I'll I'll point this out if I do recall. When RICCA was a Toronto Raptor I forgot I believe he? They matched him up on genus and shut him down. Yup like that's kind of like Whoa and you didn't see that the whole season but now we're talking about it postseason like. Oh Wow we. They threw Giannis Janis. Didn't show up so it's that's the same same thing as much as people wanNA complain and yell and scream at all like the clippers that I don't care because at the end of the day it's a seven game series and we're gonNA find out very shortly from doc rivers a defensive coach and Frank Vogel Defensive Coach. What matchups really look like when it comes to the playoffs? And you're GONNA see guys like Pat Beverley be matched up with the people that you wouldn't expect and I think the same thing goes legs I think Lebron ab all those guys did matched up with guys that were kind of expecting to see the match ups all to appreciate the call that I hope that helps an interesting way of looking at it. I hope helps. I don't know if that's exactly how it went down. Yeah because the Lakers. Do you want to win this game. And and if nothing else they want it end losing streak so I doubt if I had to guess I doubt that Frank Vogel if he was sitting on cards would refuse to reveal them all together even at the expense of a windy scrubbers was doing. Doc Rivers was playing cards. I think all of them you think maybe not all it was easy. He was certainly playing on enough cards to be. I mean Leonard said. It's all about the postseason so they feel the same way the Lakers do our. It's like trying to find a guilty man in San Quentin. I really I mean I am doing. I didn't do it. Yeah I know what you're saying. We'll ask this question of the match ups and the way Frank Modal was implementing his players of Mike Trudell covers. Where's the Lakers for the Lakers? Also spectrum sports net. We will get into that next hour. We're joined by Mike Trudell. Covers the Lakers for the Lakers and for spectrum sports net but we I just had to give the queen of soul just like you know ten seconds to herself Al Fru. You're going aretha Franklin little exactly little little respect deluxe lavious. But we'll respect. I think even Mike Trudell would agree with that. Mike how are you man with her Into the segment that you know she she and I came together and I think like there you go you see you see a hell of a wet. You can actually say Mike with a straight face that you once worked with aretha Franklin Touche so now last night The Lakers fall to the clippers. Big Christmas matchup. The Lakers had a twelve point. Lead heading into the third quarter from your perspective. What went wrong wrong? Most for the Lakers that led to that result. Well so the the thing that stuck out to me in that second half were just the way the rest started to call. The game changed a bit and once that happened. The Lakers didn't really adjust how they were playing defense and they kept being physical and they kept reaching so it was Danny Green six from responsibility. The game there are a couple ones on quite Leonard. Dwight Howard had a couple of unnecessary reaches and and that really got the clippers. The free throw line and not only did it get them some points when they were having a little bit of trouble scoring in the half court aside from July of it also got the Lakers away from getting anything easy on the other end and especially with Lebron not not being a hundred percent that would be kind of my other part of the answer. Andy he just was not able to move around like Lebron typically is when they got into the half court they were a little stagnant and so that the game game just sort of went on like that and it was. It was too bad to the Lakers. Considering that they put themselves in pretty good position up to that point Well I mean not to play the blame game. We did that already ready on the show but I mean when you when you say running pie the blame pie. Excuse me thank you very much When they started to call the game differently and the Lakers still acted like they could they play physical? Is that a coaching thing. Is that something. Frank Vogel should have said. Hey look we need to adjust the way. We're playing defense now. I think I think when you're on the court not gonNA situation and that's on the player man. These are professional athletes right. I mean and they. They know that like they they have to know even probably better than the coaches what the feel of the game is and there were a couple of places. So here's why it's tricky right. So in Danny Green Case He reaches in on Kauai. Will Patrick Beverley had just done the same thing to green on the other end and it wasn't called so that sometimes gets into joie players headings like okay well they're gonNa let us do that But but it just doesn't always happen that way in the way that I'm trying to think about this game is by zooming out and thinking all right. Well this point the season would you take being twenty four and seven You know the second place. Denver Nuggets Twenty One and nine. The Clippers are twenty three. And would you take that just as a sheer record. Yes us but I do think you also have to try to learn from Andy from what what has been the deciding factor in some of these closer games. Where whether it's been milwaukee? I'm down the stretch. Whether it's the clippers twice a Denver at home and aside from Lebron ad one or the other not being one hundred percent that you know that certainly plays out. I think it's that secondary play making that they haven't always had in that to me is the issue they gotta figure out moving forward. Well that actually leads really well. My talk with Mike Mike Trudell covers the Lakers. Four the Lakers also for spectrum sports net the idea of Lebron dealing with that groin injury. Dave McMenamin reported that there is some concern that it could lead to Lebron on missing games and the lack of secondary playmaking really becomes exacerbated when Lebron either isn't there or isn't one hundred the percent and just the question Mike. How do they go about trying to address that high because this is not a team that at least on paper has a ton options for that? Yeah it's a really good point and it's something I know look under you and I've had some off record conversations about this Just throughout the season and how they address that that issue. I'm not sure that the answer is actually on the roster. You know I don't know if this point of his career I don't know if Rondo is able to really run a team in that sense it's you know maybe once in a while and they're still some flashes certainly but I almost would lean more into what to what's been good about the Lakers and thinking about the defense in in the back court and just more Caruso more either green or KC in this case you know since Bradley's back starting than it would be. Casey Pemex Accrue so in the back court. That's that's a really good defensive pairing insure you don't have elite playmaking and I'm from either one but if Kuzma is starting to cook and he looks good right like he finally looks like he's moving he looks like how again I would just lean into that and have the front court continued to make more plays and whether that's cruise next Anthony Davis or those guys staggered and the case that the Brown on is out I would almost just lean into my defense that we're not gonNA worry about having to run screen role with the typical point guard and just play that way. 'cause I again I I just don't know so if there's another option in terms of a playmaker bits especially considering how much Lebron does I. Don't I don't think there's a guy that can replicate that speaking speaking real quick and it's a little bit in the weeds but I'm curious to get your your take or sense of it Decision Frank Vogel made the last two games to Reinsert Avery Bradley back into the starting lineup. When Casey had been playing so well with that group? Have you gotten a sense of the why well vocal his painted this all the way through. And they really liked the way that Bradley started the season and then just on it on a more micro vases the way that he starts games with that defensive intensity and picking out full court not just sort of get their defense into the mode and the mindset that they want to be in so I do get that and I also think that you gotta give some credit. Because he's still playing close to the same minutes now. He's not playing thirty five minutes. But that's more because Kyle Kuzma is back you know in addition to Bradley and Rondo. But he's still gonNA play. He still going to be a key figure out there and in fact he did a closed. The game any the one thing that I liked the most from a lineup. sandpoint is how the Lakers closed the first half. They went on that seventeen to run and it was eighty two five. Have Lebron coups next to him in the Front Court and then Casey and Danny Green backward. I really liked that line of thought that group was really good and ensure you don't have a lot of play making outside of Lebron but you have everything covered very nicely and I hope that we can see that group a little bit more when everybody's helped me a lot of good size and I thought it actually forced doc doc rivers and the playing some lineups that were kind of awkward for him because and probably that could be that could be a thing for a lot of teams around the league because a lot of teams aren't as big as the Lakers so a a lot of marketing naturally have the ability to match that type of size of the Lakers. PUT It out there. Yeah it's so key to because we're so with Anthony Davis at the five live in. This is what we all expect. It was going to happen a little bit more than you. You're still sort of big in the sense that you have the rim protected. 'cause he can do that but then you're small offensively in that you can have five guys that can play outside on the perimeter and or cut to the basket shoot threes cause eighty. You can do that too or you can post the or you can post Lebron so that group is really dangerous in that sense and that you can also say big and then just either McGee or tweet Howard in in take either case. If you're Danny Green and have on the bench for you can put drew so in like there are plenty of things the Lakers can do. And it's just that they're I think they're still a work in progress and it just makes it all the more. I don't know if impressing impressive of course is the word that they started twenty four and three while still figuring all the rest of this stuff out which clearly still needs some fine tuning now again some of these better teams all right. What's your take on how the game ended? I guess everyone's been trying to say that usually things like this aren't replayed and it should have been Laker ball gate. Mike Review View Gate the gate. What do you think about the end of the game? All right so so. I think I'll author a disclaimer so it doesn't sound like I'm like I'm just complaining about the way. The call went to the Lakers. I think the Lakers could have gotten into an action much earlier and they could have gotten a shot earlier that there was no reason necessarily to simply no reason but you. IDEALLY DON'T WANNA get down to three seconds and get a switch over on a Pat Beverley. Who's so difficult and especially if you're going to have to put the ball on the floor so I you know you kind of? I wish that play could have gone differently just to start but then once he actually made the deflection this is why I hate replay in general in all sports it is now creeping into my other favorite robertsport in soccer where you can't even celebrate and I know Andy's favorite as well You can't make soccer guy. Mike Goal. Yeah you can't celebrate a goal anymore because you have to wait and look at the official as he has he has somebody in its ear telling him if they're going to review it or not it. It's just so awkward and it takes away the kind of the point of it that they'll make here if you're just watching that play in the guy reaches in in the ball goes up. It's so technically. It may have glanced off Lebron's finger and I and I get that but the spirit of the play is clearly to be like the possession should go to the team that got it knocked out if if you're if you're take take away the replay. That's that's just what should happen if you're in the the park if you're all playing together. Everybody knows that that should be Lakers ball. They're not like that but I also I get it. You're actually going to review it. Then you might see something you. You don't like so what I would prefer the reps right there. No I don't need to review this. I thought I was reading here. This should be Laker ball boom inbound. It yeah exactly that to me. That's what I've been trying to explain a demarco Mike. Is it like to the letter of the law. Yes this was called correctly in terms of slanted mainly call in terms of how this is called in like ninety nine point seven out of one hundred occasions where you even looking at a situation like this. There's going to say it was off Patrick Beverley. Because that's just the way. Ah That's why we have referees to make those interpretations you know it's it's the same thing as that play when Lou Williams clearly got felt Anthony Davis coming and miss a wide open lab and then eighty s hand like you happen to touch him after he hit the ground right like so sure. Technically he put his hand on them like while he was landing but you know in the spirit spirit of the game. I'm just a spirit of the game person but I get that that gets that. Get difficult to navigate When you have rested have different opinions than they have to sort go by the letter of the law? And if they're getting graded they're gonNA say oh. Actually that ball did go up. Lebron James I quickly so it's just unfortunate but that's not what decided the game to me but that was exactly. Yeah it definitely was a tough way to end it. After after the Lakers putting some pretty good work up to that point I definitely mattered. My trudell covers. The Lakers for the Lakers also spectrum. Sports it's not appreciate the time man. Thank you got talking to. You are coming up though DEMARCO A in in all the you know the swirl of negativity the wash of negativities TV from Lakers fans in terms of last night's results against the clippers. There was a pretty important positive for the Lakers. That I think is worth focusing on and we will get into that next Lakers fall one eleven one. Oh six to the clippers Christmas Day that would be their fourth loss in a row and it is is not a fun time for Laker fans but there is a positive that was there for the game for the Lakers. That actually was really important written. And that was the play of Kyle Kuzma Kuzma had a really big game for the Lakers last night. Twenty five points off the bench. Eight hundred seventeen from the field. Four of nine from behind the arc four rebounds fifteenpoints Demarco and became an se. DEMARCO are in for the guys in the firt in and the first quarter five minutes in the first quarter and I remember earlier in the week you and I were talking about Kyle Kuzma and just the importance of a third score. Kirk was that was kirk. I wasn't me one you wouldn't you know I know he was. You guys were talking about that third musketeer for eighty and Lebron. I think you have enough already. That's but last kinda surprising. Last night's game though showed the importance of why it matters because of coups Modem let him play that way the Lakers get blown out and then on top of it when you think about is he not ready for Primetime Kuzma. Maybe maybe that's why his his his Christmas outfit. Kinda Rub me the wrong way. I mean it's definitely not ready for prime. I'd like to have like everyone else but just I mean this. His team is screaming. Like you said. Now I don't disagree with you or Kirk about having that third score. I'm I just don't think you need it. I think you have enough. But if this team is screaming for that third score then and you can play like you played last night. Why can't you be more consistent? You know what I mean. Maybe I'm asking too much ink. I think there's a little little bit of is Kuzma Ready. That's a fair. That's what I mean. Yeah that's a fair question to ask. I mean he has been a really good score in the past. He's never been a really good score on a bad team. He's never been and a really good score in a in a setup where he doesn't get the ball as much where if he has to pick his spots more and that's an adjustment for a young player he also though has been injured for a lot of the season he missed all of training camp Dealing with footage shoe. He's been poked in the eye that had caused them to have Cammisa game than where you know the the goggles screams yet. He had an ankle sprain. That was It was an extension of what had been going on earlier in the season. He he said when he came back I was the China thing around China okay. He hurt himself playing for team. USA practices. I sang all all that stuff leading up to it and he said after the Denver game and before at this was the best that he had felt this entire season. That like up to this point he'd been playing flying through some stuff didn't feel like himself but he recently now feels good again and he has played really well since returning and this is really important. Horton for the Lakers. A when it comes to just meeting their highest ceiling possible having coups MMA provide that type of punch off the bench the ability to close games like he did last night. Yeah but also to. If we're going to be dealing with a period of Lebron potentially either missing games or maybe they have to lessen listen that low just to get him through the season with that groin injury and just age and mileage becoming a thing then Kuzina performing like he did last night that that becomes tantamount if you if you want to if you WANNA keep that one seed if you WANNA meet your maximum potential you need coups plainly. If if Lebron misses time forget the one scene. Okay I mean really. That's just stay in the upper half the upper half of the bracket just be the best version of your scientists shoot for playoffs at this point. I'm I'm not trying to be a you know a incite laker fan. I'm just being honest if you're depending that much on the Brown and he's out for a long period of time. Then yeah seating doesn't factor actor into it just make the postseason and I mean for Kyle Kuzma to be effective to be the second score two. Ad Doesn't that mean you need a better Rondo on the floor as well. Yes yeah so I think the two go hand in hand. Well I mean look. They need they need more playmaking in general right his team there in what Lebron has been doing to begin this season leading the League in assists at his age. It's incredible but there's always the question of whether or not it's too much and you know with the player of his age with that top two miles. You always have to find that sweet spot between the excellence that you want from him. And the ability to WHO lifted team the way superstars do and not putting too much of a burden on him that. It'll start catching up. And and the Groin got exacerbated by by the knee from Patrick Beverley while Lebron's looking to take charge but the flip side is that stuff that happens during a game and if the groin can get exacerbated Assar baited again reaggravated that relatively easily. Then you become concerned that it's a problem and you just become a concern that Lebron is like any other human being that ever played professional sports even the greatest of the great of the Great. At some point. Your body will start saying I can't take as much I can't do. It was much right. It's the way it works. Is that unheard of for this age leading the league in assists or just like yeah at his sage with that type of mileage. If it's not for a little you're like him or is there an old point guard out there. They used that led the League in assists the top of my head. I don't know Steve Nash. Maybe it didn't make it to eighty megadose. I am Pretty Kara. What's his name? There was an Utah Stockton. I'm sure he was closed. Magic maybe we'll magic commemorating get to that. This is true right. That's right. I am guessing that what Lebron's doing at that age. If if somebody has led the league in assists assists at Lebron's it's never been with the additional responsibilities. That Lebron also has definitely not with that type of knowledge not most people. Don't get to the mileage and the first well as risk of sounded like a meathead and I hate this People say stick to football but I would laugh at a professional football team that had like a Frank Gore who's forty years old and I'm just being funny but he leads the League in attempts rush attempts. Wow you guys must be down on your luck if you're depending on an old guy a to carry the football more than anyone else. So if you're depending on Lebron James leading the league in assists at this age with this mileage if that was is your plan I need to like reorganize my blame pie. Give Lebron less blame and more on the brain trust. If that's what you thought was going to happen well. It's going to be interesting interesting to see what if anything the brain trust can do to try to lessen. The load provide more options because the Lakers don't have a ton of flexibility in terms to try to make that move via trade so they're going to be creative but ultimately the answers may have to come from with coming up DEMARCO GONNA play a little bit or shake it with you. As has the one in charge of taking shaking. Look out now. That is coming up next time for little. Take it or shake it with DeMarco sitting in for the resident NFL allom typical on the show. Keyshawn and we begin with the saints Reportedly and none of them. Reportedly this is from Sean Payton they're are gonNA play all their regulars in week seventeen even though they know they're already in the playoffs but Drew brees Michael Thomas They're going to be out there champagne paint so we're playing for the one two or three seed right now to be the three but they could become the number one the two is also in play. Take it or shake it. The saints should be playing all their a regular in week. Seventeen taking. That's an easy the markle. If you have a chance to move up in the seating absolutely you get the by. There's a lot of benefits to being one or two seats. So if there's something to play for you should play your starters it. There's nothing to play for. You should play your stars a little bit and then pull them out especially especially if you're considering making a run in two thousand twenty even if you're a team like the saints that's got a lot of been there done that they know savings important so is homefield particularly important Korten in the NFL. Because I think in the NBA can go back and forth and in baseball. I think it's often because it's a series in the NBA. It's eventually going to go back to your own floor. This is professional football. The last place you WanNa go is have to go play a playoff game in New Orleans. Trust me Ben there. It's loud. It's crazy it's raucous. You want to avoid that place like the play. If you can avoid Green Bay I was GONNA say in December or January. You definitely do that. So seating is important. Yeah and you're right. It is just one when shot to make it happen. You'd rather have it happen in your house. Next up. Big Ben took to twitter and put out quote contrary to recent reports out there about my I football future and quote uncertainty about playing again. I am working hard. I'm determined more than ever to come back stronger better than ever next year. A Big Ben has been on the injured reserve. Listens Week to He had elbow surgery earlier. earlier in the season has not been clear to throw yet but as tracking to be back for two thousand twenty. Take it or shake it Ben. Rothlisberger is back in two thousand twenty and stronger and better than ever. I'll take that take the marco. Yeah Big Ben is. He's a modern error quarterback I think he's going to be a hall of Famer. Anybody wanted out that Ben Rothlisberger. Oh He's in that some people. I have people that I know and I think they're waiting on. Hold that like hate. Philip rivers. Fill in the whole thing I i. That's what I keep trying to say. They keep bringing up his like bowtie country bowtie or whatever. It just doesn't make any sense you'll hear from later Ben Rothlisberger. I don't even know he'd make the debate again. Yeah but he's he's a modern era our quarterback he's a hall of fame Type Guy and you can't hit them anymore so when he's healthy he's going to fall out of bed and throw for damn near five thousand yards per season so yeah I agree with him But this one thing that Rothlisberger is tweeting and then I have to put Antonio Brown in the same category because he was once in Pittsburgh. That's the only thing. Besides a bunch of Super Bowl rings that separates Bella check and Mike Tomlin. I think they're both fantastic coaches. But you don't hear this nonsense coming out. New England people tweeting talking talking. Just being distractions for some reason. It's been coming out of Pittsburgh a lot as of late but to answer your question. Yes Big Ben will be back with the best in two thousand twenty all right next up. You've got the final game for the raiders as an Oakland team before next season they begin as a franchise in Las Vegas Vegas. It is also the end of season two between Derek Carr and Jon Gruden a relationship that has been often reported to be rocky and not John Gruden's first choice take it or shake it. Derek Carr is the starting quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders. I'll shake it shake DEMARCO. I think I'm gonNA shake that Yeah there hasn't been a lot of a few phrases coming out of GRUDEN's mouth about car. You're it's been relondo here. They're really been pretty reluctant even when he's looked good. I mean there's been some praise it's your guy. It's your quarterback so he says all the right things but not the right things if he was your the guy and I know every coach every new coach that takes over a football team the one thing they really want to do especially if they make their money on that side of the football the offensive offensive side of the football. Is they want their own guy at quarterback. Unless you've got a hall of Famer right I don't think car is a hall of Famer. I don't think we've ever conducted those two. No yes yeah so I mean we may be compared to David but yeah GRUDEN's sign a ten year deal. What two seasons ago? If you got to choose between Jon Gruden and Derek Carr are gruden winds down beyond the politics Derek. Carr hasn't given you enough to make that Ange all say this and look my family and my friends. My trusted trusted circle. We go round and round about Lamar Jackson. They think he's groundbreaking. They think he's going to change the League for the most part I think the right. And if you're Jon Gruden and every other coach in the National Football League tell me you want one of those right now. Lamar Jackson title. That's what I'm saying. So I think Jon Gruden and that new fan base in Las Vegas with love something new like him on the reception. They gave Derek Eric Carr in Oakland the last time I went into the black hole. Yeah Yeah I give him credit for going in there. He knew that was going to happen. You knew that was going to happen but it does speak to the idea that right our nation would like to see something new under center and I have a feeling so Jon Gruden. There's GonNa be a lot of quarterbacks out there next year last one four you. There's a forty seven year old man who has devoted devoted his last twenty two years of life in pursuit of the goal of visiting every single starbucks on planet earth. He's been into about fifteen thousand starbucks but still has at least fifteen thousand or more to go and he's recognized that the likelihood of achieving this goal is impossible because starbucks keeps expanding. There's always new starbucks you can't keep up with all of them but he has said that doesn't bother him unquote when somebody says starving which is what they call it. Trying to get to every starbucks is pointless at turn I turn around and say point to something that people are doing. That is is not pointless. Taking her shake DEMARCO starbuck being is pointless. I'm going to take the kid. America does the Coffee Change Change via location not know that type of France basically played five grand to get the same cup of coffee. You could have gotten the five minutes experience because you have to travel away across across the planet. It's the experience of starbucks in Australia versus starbucks in Asia versus starbucks in South America brother Andy starbucks funding these. The great question are they paying for his trips to the best of my knowledge. No I mean if it's that then sure because you know that same guy has a bunch of like star. Trek Action Figures I. I did not seeing the article. I read that starbucks was funding. This and I would think unless I just missed it that that would have been detail in there. Are you a coffee guy. You know I used and you tell the difference between good and bad. Okay I can definitely tell the difference I don't drink as much coffee as I used to. I've found that as a hot drink caffeine source. I like tea a lot more. Okay Fareham I you can control the caffeine a little more. I like the taste of it more. I sort of along the way have lost the taste for coffee which is weird because Eissa tons of it and a really good a really good coffee. I think you can tell the difference and I still like that. But by and large your run of the mill coffees I. I don't drink as much pricing. I don't I've hardly if ever look at the menu and starbucks. I just go get the same. I'm going to get coffee but look I mean and I'm walking walking out the door or a lot of the people that enjoy starbucks. That's part of the appeal in that. You know exactly what you're getting and if you don't WanNa have to think about Oh you the menus right there which I agree with you makes starbuck king feel like kind of Louis. Yeah activity all right. Coming up the Lakers lose one eleven. One zero six to the clippers on Christmas. What are the biggest takeaways from this loss? And how worried you have to be if you are a Laker fan with the team on a four game losing streak that's next.

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Super Bowl Fever

Elvis Duran and the Morning Show

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Super Bowl Fever

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They wanted I would a great night. Good night the great night well for a for the second third maybe fourth time I realized that cannot play games with producer. Sam Why what happened first. Of all she brought a game to the bar. We were watching the super bowl so people were playing a game while watching the game which was actually cool. It was a fun game but when I tell you sam gets into zone and becomes right. She cannot play a game. Let's game were you playing the game. We're playing a game called codenames and it was a fun game. It's a Word Association game but her boyfriend friend was like maybe making a mistake or two and she was like. I don't know what's wrong with you. Play smart you're playing stupid mistake you you want a party to watch. The Super Bowl played a game called codename slowed names. All right. We'll get into this later. Yes it was like. She was brutal sees a brutal brutal. Yeah I know Sam. Do not play games with SAM. She turned into a total page. You're good William Danielle Danielle. How was your night? We had a fantastic time. So you know my husband. He always does his crazy super bowl pool where he gives away tons of prizes on his facebook page so we gave away the vest prize last night. It was a pencil sharpener but it was a cat you stick the pencil and the cats but and the cat goes round. They tend to do the best price ever but we have so much fun. Friends came over. We really had a great time. Yeah I would love a cat pencil sharpener one. How about you do you have is your age so much? We have a regional place here in Jacksonville called Peterborough Brooke Chocolates here. I eat enough Peter Chocolate last night. I'm not eating again for seven weeks. I'm not gonNA eat another piece of food for anyhow WANNA ever eat again. Sounds like fun but did you take your pencil cashbox. We'll bring because it's coming to see me Jerry. How was your night? Today is my birthday but everybody celebrates on the weekends so having your birthday on a on a holiday or big event day is a blessing and a curse because it's a curse because everyone's focused on the game right but then halftime the people at the Ainsworth where we were hanging hanging out. They just wheeled out a three tier cake with my name on it. The logo your face a my face every face is your birthday cake. Okay my talking anyway. It was it was insane it was it was just it was a gigantic like ball. Happy Birthday sweet. I use training. I had you know what I'm full. I'm like froggy. I had the greatest time last night. I came this close to winning. Last Square of our football squares are Super Bowl squares. Paul Yeah the pool. No it's not a pool it's really. Yeah Square's yeah and it's somebody else scored for the frigging chiefs. There was a guy at the the bar with this last night. I think he went like eight thousand dollars to fifty. That was nice to see. Yeah we won the last thing that the one that you were sorry I won one the night. Yeah I've partied with the NYU soccer team. Maybe it was hockey They're called the NYU violet. Why would you name your team the violet not even talk to Zach? Zach Zach. How you doing? I'm fantastic now. How about you guys warning hung out with the NYU badminton so so you did not watch the Super Bowl at all? What'd you do last night now? Sadly I was in bed by seven o'clock so I could be up at three o'clock for work. Yeah Yeah you're committed to your job. What do you do for a living Zach early? I have a truck driver. I unloaded trailers and drive. So let let me what are you. What are you hauling around dollar tree stuff? I worked for dollar. We loved all the trees on earth and the dollar tree. I don't like you anyway. I know how you feel about your birthday beyond Super Bowl. My birthday's always always been super bowl and nobody ever pays attention. Thank you so zach windows your birthday tomorrow so is that we should send you some birthday presents. Since what should we send Zach. Should we send him some girl scout cookies open clock of cookies. We have some potato chips all too happy early birthday a hope you had a great weekend and thank you for being the first caller of the day. We're having me. I have a blessed day. Oh you've blessed blessed day thank you so much. Take Care Bye homeless. I oh my gosh. What a nice guy? Sometimes you meet people who are so nice. You're kind of embarrassed because their way much nicer than we'll ever be all the time all right. Let's get into the horoscopes. And thank you Zack. In here comes. I'm sure Elvis Duran morning show shirt. We're going to ruin it all right producers Sam. I'd love to do them with Danielle Eighty Sean Kingston's birthday scary. Jones's birthday Sean. Kingston where we can Capricorn Lago the terrible love and Romance Arnold Time High. Use Your upbeat and fun attitude to direct attention your way your days at Kaplan Aquarius Aquarius. You may feel as if you've woken up on the wrong side of the bed. Try and stay positive and get out of your own head. You're a pisces. It's time to share the love you have with the world surround yourself with loved up one's friends and family your days nine areas self. Love is the best love set aside time to pamper yourself and treat Joe Self because you deserve it ten all right right Torres. Try not to lead the day with your emotions. In order to be efficient. You need to think more critically about big decisions that need to be made and your day is seven. Communication is your saving grace regarding intimate relationships. It doesn't hurt to be in control. Sometimes you're eight. Hey cancer getting out of your comfort zone is always a great idea. Why isn't there a camera in the studio right now? Up they bring a friend along and discover more about yourself your days a ten Leo. Don't be afraid to take risk every once in a while. There could be something better better waiting for you your days and I hair go. You May WanNa look towards the past for answers but instead of answers you're only gonNA find goes create and plan for a better future one day at a time. He can you please pull it together and be prepared to do all nate looks. You got a big booker. At least I'm telling you it's gone now is an excavation mission. Libra don't get invested in people. Who are there for the wrong reasons? Focus on yourself and your needs days. Nine Scorpio you should only be concerned with all things that are positive who knows is there could be a new relationship on the horizon your days to finally Sagittarius. Now's the time to tell that special special someone your true feelings. There's no reason to hide who you are. And what you want your days and those Monday morning. I'm saying this is gonNA be a long. I'm looking to my look. You wake up in the morning and look at your messages from the night before your text messages. I was texting some guy in a named him. Patrick hot boy who was that all of the NYU hockey team the great night anyway. I'm so excited. My Patrick mahomes one in his Chia. Chia plant head love it. That was a beautiful game into the three things. You need to know what's going on. That's the first one. The Kansas City chiefs headed to disneyworld today. If you fell asleep early you might have missed the comeback but quarterback Patrick Mahomes took the MVP he led the chiefs to thirty one. Twenty victory over the forty niners last night. The parades going to travel down main street at the Magic Kingdom today the first the first the first the first point scorn Patrick Mahomes. He's running across the line because he did such a good job. Disney is GONNA donate one million dollars the make a wish foundation in his name overall thrown in jail today. Okay so I want Democrats GonNA catch the first shot at froggy. The Second Story Democrats GonNa cast the first votes in the twenty twenty presidential race. Tonight voters will gather and caucuses across the state to make their picks for the presidential nominee. Polls Show Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden as the front runners and finally Punxsutawney Phil did not see his shadow yesterday. Which means spring is supposed to come early fix? They never ever see their shadow. That it's it's a publicity stunt science frigging roten. No Yes for Monday. Yeah I'm going home alone. Katy Perry Harm Shawn Mendez. Elvis Duran durant in the morning. Show Elvis Duran and the morning show. It's scary you could tell when I'm not on my game I mean we're together every every morning so if you have a cold do take music next nightshift before bed. It helps relieve cold and flu symptoms to help you get to sleep. There's such a thing it's my round the room but we didn't do it right now. Okay hold on new. I just asked how are Super Bowl was oh I thought that was our room but normally what's up Gandhi. We're GONNA do around the room for people who are texting in saying the show. Sounds like it's off the rails. Thank you you are so accurate. uh-huh wrong with being off the rails. It's Super Bowl Monday. It's supposed to be like this. There was no one on the road this morning. Coming in it was crazy. It was so we were at for Leonese. He's last night and we're buying shots for the NYU hockey team crazy. It was nuts. Did you come home. Went home came straight tour. I came straight to work. Good for you. That's commitment that go around the room. We'll start with you Danielle. What's on your mind okay? So every morning I put oil on my face Kinda the prime my face oil. Oh just like whatever bought in the store. Whatever never so Saturday morning? I'm tired I'm like this oils is e e extra oily this morning because it was CBD oil spurt. All over my face. Saturday morning. Because I was tired so my face at all over it and I'm like this is not good for my face wash. Wash my face. It was interesting. I didn't break out. Thank Gosh but I was like you stay looking. So he's yes oil uh-huh pickle yourself very well pickled uniform well pickled thank you. What were you on your mind today? I'm still scared of San from last night. That's what I thought we were talking about. Butts them is a she might be the sweetest person I've ever met in my whole life. But she's the scariest person to ever play a game with so competitive. Ah Yes when you see her like so casually brought a game guys know. That's her luring you into being a crazy person and screaming at everyone around you including her boyfriend. I thought they might break-up yesterday and he's so sweet about it it was like I'm sorry Sam. We almost did not so we all have that one person in our lives who you should never ever play a game with and Sam Sam the one you get so competitive turn into a monster. I call it fun you guys need to. You need to go to a special island summer winter highland you but this is the best part they lost. That's why sandwich going ham because you're in a bad mood today. Worst Clue Elvis. Alvin didn't make sense. It didn't work out. He screwed up the whole game. It was our first round. We were coming from. Hey let it go. She didn't this hold on for four rounds yesterday. Four rounds of them screaming travel not Berlin. William Travel was ever play a game with Sam. Hey froggy what's that with you today. I am not safe to have her own anybody's children. Just so you know so. On Friday night we went to dinner with some neighbors last night. We watched the Super Bowl with them and they have younger children and they've got one of those kids that counts every curse word I say and I'm like all right. I'm already stop okay. I know I mean. I can't say anything these I'll just say that word like here's twenty bucks. Shell up and leave me alone. Do they count hell. Yes yes I can is hell still occurs slurred some households. This boy says that it is a curse word of he can't say therefore I can't say that's his isn't the kid you called me with. Yes yes excited to meet you. I can't wait for you to curse around your kids. Why you're letting kids rule your life? I know I agree. Exactly say whatever you want to say. So am I the only one on the show this kind of hung over a little bit. I mean I don't even think I'm hungover I'm just. I don't think you're hung over yet. Hung over around noon. I don't Alice's Alex come into work. And you meet someone who is like totally messed up from last night. Alex go home. Run One and he didn't come come home with me somewhere in the night he showed up and I've found him asleep in the TV room. The hockey team that would have been such a porn straight. Did you have him on the phone. Now they're not answering your your lame. What's laser lane producer calling the text saying? I need to talk about going to work hungover to get them on the phone and he can't. It's not my fault fault. We knew producer go. I'm letting you go home. I would never let me go. I go take a look I think you need. It's hey y'all shut up. Do we order fried food. Yes Andrew has ordered many Fried Foods Andrew. Did you order yet. We're ordering ordering a fried cheese some chicken finger did you order. Yet he's K.. SADEA French fries awesome. It's realistic reading Super Super Bowl. Food the day after the Super Bowl and I got beagles too and it scares birthday so I brought him a clue detaille because he can't eat anything. Yeah I get it now okay. So whoever says let's busted open the tradition Sam time for the field goods. Hey I'm so excited about their crudity get it ooh bust boss it. Oh I'm so excited a stamps DOT COM commercials coming. You're doing it today. So so make us feel good. Sam What are you going right so this story from. Andreas Casa is really a beautiful one and froggy. It took place Jacksonville. Florida's you might have heard of this so Andrea works for the dreams come true organization and it's this place which grants wishes for children who are battling life threatening illnesses so a little. While ago they started working with eighteen in year. Old Alexis Mir cobb and she was battling ovarian cancer so for this girl was her whole life. She loves painting. She loved to draw she just loved creating and she. It was actually very good. So they organized a display of her works at the Comer Museum of art and gardens sadly two weeks before the gallery opened cancer. Cancer took her and she was not able to be there with her creation exhibit but the dreams come true organization decided. They're going forward with it anyway. Because it's exactly what Alexis what wanted and it was such a beautiful moment for her parents for her fiance and it was a very impressive display. That over one hundred people got to filter through so I choose to believe Aleve. She was in the room. I don't think he saw it. So Andrea what you guys do is absolutely incredible and if you have a story that deserves to be featured email me Sam Elvis dot com object check line feel good thank you saying morning show. Oh come on. Gandhi talk to me about STAMPS DOT com. I'm glad glad that you told me to do that. Because I have a lot to say about STAMPS DOT com. It's your turn to talk about that. Did you know that posted rates have gone up again. Okay okay good well thankfully really stamps dot com eases. The pain with big discounts off post office retail rate so was stamps dot com. You can save five cents off. Every first class stamp and up to forty percent off shipping rates which really adds up especially for small businesses so plants plants staff dot com completely online. 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The Elvis which in the back in the day in some of the pictures I would see a photo of all these people and I wouldn't recognize me because I did a lot more. I tell you I don't Google you for something. I don't recognize them easy easy. I don't blame her and she finally just stopped everything. Shut the F.. If you say gee easy one more belief take time for her. I don't and let me tell you. That's her show. Those are her fans. She owned that room. You don't mess with her. You don't mess with ever. I love my healthy Halsey. God bless you on Searle. I love that you let them know it seriously. Hey Erica what's going on well. I'm still partying superbowl night. What'd you do last night Erica? I watched it with my kids. That's about it. I watched it with my kids to anyway. So did you watch the mast singer. I totally did and I saw clue and I was like I wonder if all of us is this this person. What do you mean? What clue did you see? There was a The hidden video there was a golden microphone. And I've heard all of neat stories. Sounds like the this is golden microphone. But you know what it could be a couple of other people because there are what are their three or four of those in existence. Orion ain't who has one Ryan seacrest at all. It's rush limbaugh. There are my goal microphone is not not the only one there are others so it could have been someone else or You never know or is it. Is there something you want to tell us. No okay. Hey so did. Did you watch the whole thing. I did so. Daniel turned off of the mashed singer. Like halfway through right. Yeah because it was going to do this because we gotta do the show in the morning and it was like eleven o'clock. I've been listening to six o'clock. I haven't heard a show yet. So they're doing is we're building up to it. We're going to have a show of. I thought the turtle was so talented and it has to be a boy band. I'm thinking right yes I think so due to the turtle is the best list one turtle boy band that it looked like something from pokemon or like an evil person from teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Right one of the things from the news. Yeah so but it was a cool costume and when the person starts to sing I I. I thought it was a runner. Because they were on a race track track and an athlete and looked like he was talking about winning and Blah Blah Blah but then he started singing and he was good. So you're thinking on the Llama. Yeah it's very possible but they were kind of tall so I haven't seen you in real life but when I've seen videos you're not on the top side I'm there's one clue but the other part of my Maybe not but possible beyond nineteen year high hills. Your wonder woman shoes. So don't don't worry my wonder woman boots or my stilettos. Yeah we'll find out now what we Erica we will. We'll look thank you for listening to us. I appreciate it in my apologies if the show is off the rails as most texters are saying okay. This show isn't that bad is no. I don't think so. Give us give us some time. We'll make it bad here cabernet. Okay Dania yeah you ready to go. Let's go so lot went down yesterday. Obviously the Super Bowl happened. Yes and a couple of things before super bowl so there was a pre super bowl party that had to be canceled Harry styles. Where was actually there? Yeah he was supposed to headline this planet Pepsi Zero Sugar Concert Friday going up. Sure they pay him to show that you it's in the contract that you know if something happens not as volt. He showed up and did his job. You know what I mean about So Liz oh did a thirty five minute opening set and they evacuated the place because of extreme weather approaching so yeah. Let's see sources defending Justin Timberlake's that the Jessica Simpson story not true. You know where she said that he kissed her and then he texted Ryan Gosling well. Apparently they're saying she got it wrong and that never happens so she's trying to sell a book and as it people who have nothing to do with a source familiar with the Mickey Mouse Club La. Aw that's okay. I haven't heard from Justin timberlake because you probably couldn't care less but anyway and speaking of Justin Timberlake you know that he celebrated a birthday so looks like everything might be okay with him and his wife Jessica Biel. After everything went down with him holding hands with the coworker. Oh this handle she. Happy Birthday to the most those timeless man. I know you somehow grow up without growing old. We love you so much. Pamela Anderson's marriage is over. It only lasted twelve days talk about taxes. They're grateful for our support so she got a Hollywood producer. John Peterson Down Peters or whatever so they were married for twelve days. Yeah Yeah Yeah So. I mean other than Britney Spears Mary someone for that Short Talk Dashing. Never she didn't that. How long was she married to that guy? Seventy two days. Yeah are a little more. Yeah not not a lot. I I didn't even know when they were dating to who he was. Yeah so if you're going to get married to someone I mean. Shouldn't there be some unlike love or commitment. I mean the twelve days I think marriage in Hollywood has a totally different meaning than marriage to everybody else on the normal people get married five times now four times. Maybe I don't know what was your name Hope Lange. I mean we're talking about people who are just like for outerspace. Yeah she's from outerspace she's from another planet Toldo. My mom went to a wedding and the people came back from the honeymoon divorced. They never even made it a honeymoon so I. That's what I. Oh my mom I said. Did you get the gift bags. Because Danny that's just rude. Give me my forgave me. BLENDER I want it back I was like what about the money you put in the car. She now Danny. That's not nice. I'm like that's not you. You able to send the gift at the end of their first year of marriage. That's when the gift should come. That's a good maybe five. My mom is she's tonight was a tribute to Kobe Bryant before the Laker Game Friday night night at the staple center I was I was. I'm sure you're all were in tears. Usher Sang Amazing. Grace than boys to men follow with the national anthem and there was an amazing speech. And I it just. It was really really really beautiful so anyway tonight. You've got the dodge leave. America's got talent the champions the series premiere of Macmillan's over on HBO and of Course Justin Bieber. Season's season's over on your youtube. Thank you Daniel Polo Stephanie. What's going on the morning? I'm so excited to talk to you guys so I just wanted to let you know that I listen to your book on audible and I was on my way to New Hampshire and on the way back so I'll be honest honest good bad okay average when I literally was almost at my friend's house and needed to pull over in the Dunkin donuts. Parking Lot to finish the chapter that I'm just so proud of you. You're still open and honest. You're literally an inspiration and you made me wake up with a little extra fire today. So thank you so much Stephanie. I mean you're the only person being nice to me today. Ali People I'm working with are just so mean to me today. They're picking on bound. They sound pretty awesome from your book. Great Stephanie A can we can. We talk to T- here the most of January anyway. Thank God it's over. It was the worst frigging month of my life. How about yours? It was the longest year ever right and I got to tell you I had friends who lost lost family members. I had friends whose dogs died. I had friends whose mothers vel down. staircases and January was. Just F- an awful yeah. I'm so glad it's over but I gotTa Tell You I'm so lucky to work with the people I work with you know Stephanie. Can you say the same thing I mean do you. Are you going to work right now with people you actually love. I am and I just started my job as a elementary the school secretary in September and I absolutely love the people. I work with That's awesome good so important yet. We are very lucky here because we really do. I mean people think we're just saying but we will do we actually do. I gotTa tell you we've been doing this show Stephanie. For many many years and this is finally we finally have landed on the crew of people that are the best. It took twenty five years quarter of a century to weed out the a hole. But now we're all good. I mean froggy and Danielle and Gandhi. and well that's it. I don't like the the birthday boy. Now it's actually kind of great pay. Do you get seasick. When's the last time you're on a boat? Oh my God I get so sick on a cruise though I have and I do take dramamine every morning. I mean they're wonderful the entire great. Here's what I WANNA do for you. Stephanie My Elementary School Secretaries that we sent an assistant. You've heard that we are. We're so in bed with Norwegian cruise line. Yeah Yeah and they have ships cruise these beautiful cruises around the world. I mean they're everywhere you want to be on the pre-game show yesterday. They were on encore yesterday. Where the racetrack was awesome? That's right I love it so Stephanie. Don't get mad at me but I'm GonNa send you on a cruise. Are You freaking kidding me you now. I want you as long as the crews on Norwegian leaves from the Continental United States. You could go up to Alaska the Caribbean around to the Panama Canal. Whatever you want to go I'm GonNa send you on a Norwegian cruise? I want you to go have a wonderful time. I what you to take so much. So much drama mindy. You don't even remember the day. I'm literally cry. That's so nice who you GonNa take them this cruise with you Stephanie. kids probably sound ridiculous My husband we have a two year old at home. Oh and it would just be awesome. He worked so hard for us. So let's talk about. I mean he he worked so so hard for you guys I mean he does. What's going on there He he works for an insurance company. He does sales. I don't so how does it. I could not do sales at all He's been with them for almost ten years and he's struggled in his teens and twenties And he just came out on top and I'm just so proud of him. Hey guess what. What's his name by the way? His name's Eric. So Stephanie. Anthony you and Eric you're GONNA you're GonNa hop on board the most beautiful ship in the world. Norwegian has the best ships. You're going to hop in a ship. You either go on ours bliss or encore. Anyone you want. You're going to go on a on a trip with Eric. You too. That's it you're gonNA love it and with well I love you. Thank you so much on. Thank you if you go to. NC L. DOT com. You can travel the intention you can figure out which which cruise you WanNa go on the if you're in the mood for a beach or you WanNa see some historical sites or whatever you're going to you're going to go on a cruise with Eric. So thank you so much for listening to. Who is Stephanie? Thank you for being a great great listener. We we love you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much I love you guys have a great day just made my ear. Thank you so much. Thank you hold on one second okay. We've given permission stamp what what what's going on. It's a dot com slash travel with intention Otis one. No one's going to remember that uh-huh actually easy to remember three one you should go to. NC L. DOT com slash travel with intention. Actually an easier one. The most. You know what I saw this weekend and I posted it on my instagram story about my windows minding my business and what comes cruising down the little river the blessed solidify river off. I can't believe we have our own ship and its New York now. So that's that's I mean if it's in in town can't we just go spend the night on our show. I mean it's probably left by now. I mean I think we need to get it out there. We gotta make some revenue Let's take do believe Jeff probst is on his way. It's a new season of survivor. I think it's like season seventy four. Whatever it's been it's been around for seventy four more season right anyway? We're trying to get our Andrew on survivor. So we've had tee shirts printed up saying survivor needs Andrew. Yes if this doesn't make it happen. I give very bright t-shirts Andrew. Do you think maybe today's Today today's the day that you're actually going to get on survivor. Yeah I'm feeling a lot of energy in this room. It's going to happen today. Ads Day I even more mismatch shoes just for you. Thank you thank you so much. put my t shirt on. What time's he coming in around? Seven fifty your. We have to take a break. Fried food has arrived in the morning show. Hey It's nate and did you know that staying on prescriptions tends to make you healthier so so when you're sick injured or worst of all aren't allowed to drive by your doctor you should know that. CBS can deliver your prescription to your home visit. CVS DOT com slash delivery for more INFO and treat yourself yourself well at CBS. Here's the question in. Let me pop this at you and you can going to participate with us. If blank worn Olympic sport my significant other went went to bed and I was okay when I went to bed. Yeah I cut myself off after. Yeah well I did that thing last night where every other drank was water. That's a good way to go. Okay okay drinking water water water. Drink drink three. It was like you know fast like chugging water thank God can you imagine what what happened if I had not done that again. Thank you to the NYU Hockey team the by the violet. Silence only. NYU Nut so Alex's lurks blind shots so we started buying shots the entire bars like seventy people. Oh my God nine like who's paying for that. Wow so we're doing shots watching the game. I can tell you though. I have one highlight from that game last night. I'll get to that in a second. Let's go talk to Sam. Hi Sam Hi guys. How're you doing today? I mean did you go crazy last night for super bowl or were you like an a good girl now. I was a good girl. I was in bed by seven thirty. Actually actually God even watching so that sounds great though. I would love to go to bed early tonight. They call my trainers. I'm not coming in now. There's no working on so tell me about your weekend. You have a good weekend Sam. I did my my husband and my best friend took me out for my thirtieth birthday. Which is today happy? Birthday scary oil reserves the same day. How so would you do? We went to Dave and buster's actually suggest you'd want to do when I go to Dave and buster's all those tickets and I never cashed them in. Is I just like the tickets. Oh like having rolls and rolls of tickets. I mean I don't need a stupid animal anyway. So Dave and buster's they've great food to You know what you missed though you missed Demi Lovato singing the Star spangled banner our national anthem. I did would you guys able to play it for me. Aw Okay I'll tell you so. We're on kind of a delay. Whatever it with the phone everything as soon as I say yes and thank you for calling? I want you to hang up the phone and turn up the radio okay. All right sounds good sam. Happy Birthday thank you guys. You guys are awesome. You make my morning every morning listening fourth in Illinois tonight. I actually have to commute to drop my baby off so I listen on kiss one. Oh one three and Madison one zero four one. All Right Sam. Ah Hang up the phone turn up the radio. You'RE GONNA love this okay. Thank you guys thank you so it was really funny. It was ten years ago. Demi Levato sent a tweet tweet out saying one day. I'm going to sing the Star spangled banner at the Super Bowl. That was exactly ten years ago and last night she she did it crazy and look at everything. She's been through this past year right. Daniel L. MY Gandhi. I mean Shintos passed away. She must die. We lost the Levada. You tell me about how you're proud. Your I think recovery is a really really difficult thing I think. Obviously we've talked about. Nobody is ever cured from it. But recovery is a process. Doesn't she seems to be well into that process and doing the things she should be doing surrounding herself with better people and just thriving and I love it and I think she has such a wonderful voice and she's such talent get dummy. I'm happy for her so again. Ten years ago. She said one day. I'm going to sing the Star spangled banner about she was the Star of the show last night. Absolutely amazing using. She's just so classy so beautiful and was just did such a great job singing the national anthem Demi Levato. MVP Yes listen. Listen to this It's so spa uh-huh LOSE GOLD AW AW love your dimming walk off stage after that. And she ran into E. T. and they were like how did you feel and she's like I don't really blacked out. I don't remember a thing. I was so excited. You know what you're GonNa Adams Sang America the beautiful before Demi. I would love to play that too. She is so beautiful. Her voice was so right on what at night and then there was a football game. Jalen which I thought worse. Oh amazing okay. Don't get mad at me I thought Shakira owned it. I I look Jaylo is fabulous. It's a beautiful imperfect. In the choreography I'd tell Ya Shakira was talk about secure is one of those people that takes me back to my childhood and I just love her and her weird little. I don't think she thought it would become the mean that it did but when she got up in the camera was like doing I love it reminded me of scary. Yes how does how he teases women. No sugar hips and like she just does that belly dancing thing so well that all men she is so good said and then there was a football game multicultural music that touched on all these different conceded. A hosa she to walk walk like it was great and the entire time Assistant Andrew. There was like googling all the songs he wanted to download curious. Like I remember when we first met Chikira years ago she could not speak English. It was so crazy. The next time she came in she talked about how she learned English because she wanted to impress us to impress us. You're secure all right. We gotta move into the three things. We need to know Gandhi. 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You said very salts the tone I love nuts and I said yes you do. I guess that's what they're referring to. You do want me. It says. Hey if I was gay you do me. No I wouldn't but I wanNA think that you would. He gets very insulted. If you get over your my brother I can't have sex with my brother. I know but if we weren't then I would want to think that we could and we don't have to do it. Just make me feel good to make him feel pretty. Yeah we'll that make you feel pretty right. Thank you Gandhi. Okay so jeff probst is on the way. Of course you know. This is a season of survivor. Coming up nine hundred didn't twenty-five we're trying to get forty season forty. We're trying to get my assistant Andrew on the show He. He's dying to be on survivor. Starting to think though that this might be the wrong way to go about it. Here's why they're getting so much publicity from him not being on the show then. Maybe they're like the longer we don't put him on the more they talk about this actually a good point and we're all wearing our lime green survivor needs Andrew t search for that. How you doing there diamond? I'm doing great because no one has said that these shirts are ugly and design them actually like them. Yes thank you I have a question. What's that birthday boy? Andrew wearing a shirt that said survivor needs me. You're right Jerry. Sorry Andrew Man. No that is true that come in and be confused. He's on the way and so I mean we have to weeped. weeped like Greece him up. They need to put Andrew on that show. I'll tell you why because we need. We need to get rid of him. He's he's become way too successful. Andrew and Scotty B and their podcast serial killers. It's killing it He has outgrown the show. Hey Scottie serial killers guys. You're actually written up in podcast. Weekly or whatever the premier edition of podcast magazine. We were under the radar podcast. We got four four point five out of five Mike Review that yeah congratulations. Thank you very much. I think it's so much fun. So Andrew He's getting a little too big. I The needs to get out of here and go on. TV Go live on an island and eat rice. Yes Oh heads. Brand new serial killers episode right now featuring nate. So what is it about it. I talk about my favorite cereal. Which is I'm not gonNA tell you? Listen to find out and Scotty B. It's the first time he ever I heard about the cereal as well and he. Well he'll tell you in the podcast how he liked quip. No it's not. It's very rare. What is called in butter bumpers? It's nobody's ever heard of it. It's actually it. Can we say how it tasted sure. It's actually really good. Yeah it's made by the mother. Cereal Company Hold Autograph Rep Horror Me. A bowl of peanut butter. Mother's name was stupid so diamond diamond. What is today good morning? Good is the national. ooh I like that bilingual. It's national football hangover day. It was was started by Katie Nolan. ESPN's Katie Nolan last year. So it's pretty new and it's because fourteen million people call out he he's not million William People call out of work today because hungover call in now now never really that bad. I'll leave right now. You're in you could have called out and I've been loving day off for all of us for a long while. We're not getting that birthday boy. I don't leave home if the show. Is that bad awesome. I'll leave the only person saying you should not be here. Somebody else is fine with cereals. Peanut butter bumpers by Mother's series. Victor Name is off pudding which do bumpers like. What what that so stupid? It's not that they're shaped apelike. Bowl peanut butter takes Lucas. Yeah I'll be honest. I'm a fruity pebbles girl anyway. Oh Oh my God. That's why the chiefs one of the hy-vee mahomes magic crunchy cereals deliverable yet so good to have a bowl of Patrick mahomes. Did you hear what who was. It was it wh-which guy less on on Fox. That he him Patrick. Mahone Terry Bradshaw Bradshaw President Trump. Send out a tweet congratulating up the state of Kansas did. I thought it was a joke. At first I was like Gosh. He's so funny city is not in Kansas us. It's in Missouri okay. So it's a national football hangover. Day agreed carrot cake day no which evolved also from the Medieval Times carrot pudding which is really weird. I don't even like cake is just not. It's not a vibe. I just know I didn't. I never really liked liked carrots as a kid. It's just not a vibe for carrot cake doesn't taste like carrot the thought of it the thought the hell is it. Called Cara. Cakes carries taste delicious. What else is going on to? Its Golden Retriever Day. I love golden retrievers. Did you know that they're the top what they're the third most popular family family dog. What are the top two okay? It's Labrador retriever. Is Number one in German. Shepherd is number two. Oh door retriever. Number three no retreat golden golden retrievers number. Three I'm getting my retrievers. The second one German shepherd. I'll tell you you schnauzer man and Schnauzers schnauzers. Never make the lists weren't on the list. I've never made the list but I'm telling you my Schnauzer is the best dog in the frigging world. So cute I like Mutts MMA fan of much unlike cats okay. What's Cocker Spaniels? Your dogs so great frog yes birthday boy. If we're being completely honest now we're not until until until two years ago I must confess. I had no idea that when you speak about Kansas City that you're speaking about this Missouri. The State of Missouri Kansas City. Kansas until I actually drove through there a couple of years ago and I realized there's two sites a Kansas City Kansas side of Kansas City Eddie Missouri side but the team plays in Missouri. So I I did not know that and I think a lot of people don't know that I learned it from watching. PD Live the top anyway. Taking time and I love you. I'll go home right now. I'm going back and party with the NYU Hockey team. Are they still there. They were nice to me last night from you guys can respect that I get from the NYU in bed right now. Those guys in our sleeping by some shots so Berkeley boy scary. has today's phone tap. I do you randy Randy Elvis Duran and phone to add up all the years we've done phone to have some of my favorites. have been these phone taps where we actually record someone talking. And then we played them back to them and they don't even realize it them talking to them is that makes sense. That's scary as a new one. What's it all about scary? So a twist on Tara wanted to phone tap. Her husband Preston now. Preston Austin has been anxious to resolve this credit card issue. He's been having so Karen thought. I should pretend to be the credit card company at first but really I'm playing the can you hear me scam. That's that's been going around and hitting America. Okay here we go. It's the can you hear me scam. That's hitting America in today's phone tap human. Let's listen to part one. Hello Oh hi yes sorry about that. My headset was on backwards. Can you hear me yes. Wow Wow I'm embarrassed arrest. I'm sorry about that that's my. That's that's quite all right. Does this volume work for you. Yeah that works for me. May I double the volume double the volume there. You go no problem. WHO's this? Can I speak to Preston High Preston. My My name is Bill McCarthy and I'm calling from the Card Services Oh okay okay. Do I have your permission to record this call for Quality Assurance. Yes you have my permission go. Hi I'm calling regarding your shopping network issue that you had you had a problem. Yes I did I ordered this. TV IN MID-NOVEMBER. They keep saying it's on on back or I want the TV anymore. Right but you charge me for the set you wanting to reverse discharge. Yes I do you know what I don't know if I can assist you. May I transfer for you to my boss. Go ahead transfer if we get disconnected for any reason you call me back at extension for two seven nine. My name is bill mcchord. All McCartney all right so scary. Took that went back into the studio rearranged everything with his voice than his wife called him back back a half hour later. And let's see what happens. Well Preston I just got this really creepy phone. Call giving me your voice that says you have just ordered six thousand dollars charge to the credit card but did you just order. You know. I'm not talking about six uh-huh just got off the phone with the Damn Credit Card Company telling him to cancel the order on TV. They just called me and just left me. This really weird areas are you gave out information damn information. I think you have something. I want to hear the voice awards meal for you while you're playing players. This is Michael Oppenheimer with wire transfer services. Is this Preston rid of yes. Prison have access to your bank account and credit card information. That's why is it. Okay if I open it up right now. That's quite all right. Is it okay if I take three thousand dollars out of your account and transferred to wire transfer services services. Yeah that works for me. I also understand. You have a three thousand dollar television from US Mason on back order. Do we have your permission to send the television to us a charge. Your Card yes. You're you have my permission. Go ahead. Maybe you'd like to order to televisions doubled volume. We'll double the volume. No problem it. How would you like to pay for that? We over card art okay. We'll build your card. We'll take all the monies out of your account and transfer some to us as will. Do I have your permission to make the transfer go ahead. Transfer thank you. This transaction is now complete fleet. What the business? You'll get scammed. Told you not talk to these people I told you. It's not the questions he asks asked me I was I. Hello Hello sorry about that. My My headset was on you. Can't you can't scare me again. Daily there you go I can you hear me. Where are you where did you to answer? Yes to a couple of more questions if he can okay so I just need you to say yes if I make plenty of money. That's fine. You could not worse than you twisted it. You got my car on stuff. I'm kicking your ass coming with somebody to come. We get you. Is it. Okay if you I am from the Credit Card Company in the My name is bill McCartney your damn food. That's who you are. I'm GONNA kill you. And what client unto me and you Bet Preston that that won't be necessary. Actually my name is Jerry Jones. Melba Serandon the morning show. Does they do not scammer. Maybe we'll phone calls. But that's about it I'm supposed to be entertained by this. I hope you have an idea for a phone. L. Dot Com. Click on the phone. Taff tell us what you want to do. This tablet recorded with permission. Granted by the Durand phones. have in the morning show. Hey guys froggy. We all know bedtime can be a battle for both you and your kids for instance. My son used to struggle to fall asleep. uh-huh fortunately we discovered vicks appears. These kids Melatonin Gumy's to help them fall asleep naturally by peers. These kids in stores near you. Here's the question. Let me pop this. You can only you to participate with us. DIFF- Blake wore an Olympic sport. My significant other Co.. Thank you for like fifteen years. Then you guys are awesome. I love you guys. Thank you keep getting better with age guy for the morning commute sure sure and the morning show. Let me ask you something. Why would anyone listen to this? Sometimes I wonder question your decision. Gundy I gotTA TO BE HONEST IF I was driving to work right I wouldn't listen to this mass. So Jeff probst is here and I think the name is fabulous. It sounds like the name of a beer intriguing light anyway. So Jeff. PROBST is now entering his fortieth season. And they do to the year twenty twenty years of survivor cuts. He doesn't look like he's aged. By the way I know he probably smears placenta on his face or something anyway anyway so Jeff Probst is here and I hate him eleven as asked me why I hate it. He has yet to put our Andrew on survivor. Let me tell you Andrew who has been campaigning to get on survivor for so many years. That's how Jeff probst got his job as -vivor he campaigned. They can't hate on. What's it's so? Why the hell can he put? I don't even want him on the show. Kick him out. We've got to bring him in and not let him go until he gives. Jeff probst walks through the door. We're going to beat the Hello Doc please welcome host of survivor Jeff probst for CD's interview auto up button but Jack Pros. I just got here. We've already had hit the duck button you. I didn't even realize I said that my my dad you said you you said the Brown word as we say my my bad girl. I'm just pumped to see you guys. I'm it's like I'm coming into a carnival. It's so colorful with the survivor. Needs Andrew t shirts shirts. We're about to make your life living help. BRING IT I. This is one of my favorite parts of a new season of survivor. Talking to you know usually I'm in La talk on the phone. And then every so often I come to New York and then I see Andrew downstairs and he acts like nothing's up and then I come up here. It's like oh no we're GONNA get him on the show. It's sort of uncomfortable the android thing so first things I did you watch superbowl last night I did. Did you drink. Your drink are recovering. Are you in recovery. No no I I live for Friday night. I'm still lit for myself. I'm still drink. You look I got red wine going really hung out last night within the the NYU hockey team. You're you know you're not get you don't understand that it was hot. It was anyway so it was a long night. I know I'm connected. How'd you end up with the NYU hockey team got craigslist? It was a good night. Okay where were you. Where did you watch the Super Bowl last night? Well I watched in my hotel room sadly alone not no well. I was here for the weekend with my wife and some friends so we had a really fun weaken and then everybody left yesterday morning did you. Yeah and I'm left at the hotel stain. Some Nice hotels like the four seasons or I'm staying the rich Greatest Hotel Marriott courtyard. I'm sure. No it's the Greenwich. It's the other guy he used to live there. You're kidding EXAC- I lived there when they first opened live there while I was waiting for my apartment to be finished and then when I had to move into my apartment I was so sad. That hotel killer it is. It's amazing the thing about the Greenwich Hotel is when you go into your room. It's there's a box of candy bars and cookies and things is all free. Yes complimentary because it's that expensive to stay five I townsend tonight but yeah but you know what else is you walk in and you know normally you go up to the counter and you they say or a driver's license and a credit card for incidentals. Or whatever you you just walk in and they handle your kid to go. Hey Jeff. Here's your key who literally it took. No you're a superstar. No everyone in our party I said. Did you guys walk in and did did they just hand your key and no credit card. No idea nothing. They said Yeah. I think they just haven't figured out. We just started a problem. So if you're in New York City just go to the Greenwich I've checked out in Jeff. Okay let's let's get to business the fortieth season. Yeah I mean every it seems like every time you're on our show we congratulate. You won't be on the show for a thousand years and you're still there I know and it's still doing so well. It is and I'm I'm not blowing smoke. This is the greatest season of survivor. It really is we have. We brought back all winners. But I'm just saying in general the show continues to reinvent itself. It's why it's why fam it's become family. Viewing because kids get it on one level and adults get it on another level and every year it's new people in it reinvents itself. My Gosh twenty years ago you stepped in it. I did okay so I know it so as our friend. Andrew is campaigning to get right survivor. You actually campaigned to because I did the host. So what did you do jeff. Okay to get this guy had lived in New York and then I moved to La. And I was waiting for something. Cool something something smart something I could really dig into and I got. I kept getting job offers. But they were like prompter based shows eating shows game shows. It just thinks it just didn't feel like I could get into and then I heard mark talking about Mark Burnett talking about survivor on the radio and I immediately started lobbying and so what did you do so I met met with him for two hours and at the end of the two hours which I thought went really well he said well. It's really nice to meet you like that. Does that does sound good so I made a message in a bottle. I wrote a bunch of articles as though the New York Times and all these different places had written about this amazing show and every article predicted acted something outrageous like change. The face of television become the most watch show in the history of summer. TV knocked off the air or millionaire. Whatever and all these things came true? We're big prediction and I- i- crumpled all the edges and burnt the edges and put it in a bottle and senator mark you know basically to say because the rap against me was regis was on the air with who wants to be a millionaire and they wanted a star. They needed a name so every time I would have these meetings for big shows they'd go. Oh we really love you. Oh you know you're no hate that. Yeah and then at the end of the day mark said I thank thank you for the water mark said I think we need to let the show will be the star and just have somebody who we think can do the show and that was the break. Yeah wow good for you but I I did lobby on condensing the story but I thought about it nonstop on stop now so so if if not you who do you think would have been the host of survivor when when I left the meeting with Mark I went into my car and immediately made a list of all the people I thought could get the job and the one guy came up with was Phil. Cogan who now hosts amazing race. We worked together here in New York. FX But weirdly. Five months later I get a call saying it's you one other guy for survivor and I walk in and on the sign up. Sheet is Phil Cogan. I walk in the room and it's Phil and I went on my God i I'm joined in on this because you are the only other guy I thought of and then Phil it was wearing a suit and I was in a t shirt and jeans and I thought man a suit for survivor just didn't feel right now and then we both ended up getting jobs. Good for you good for. I mean good for us. I mean twenty years of survivor hint. That's fantastic so rinse my whole life. So what what was it like getting that call me. Where were you when they called and said? Hey here's the here's the crazy part IV away. There's a crazy part by the way you gotta call if some scientists industry. I don't know what it is is it gives them using is off all sorts of you're you're you're very productive. He's talking this morning. Okay tell you all right you wanNA plate with the. Here's the crazy part. No I'm back now. Where were you you when you found out gang? Got This GIG. The truth is now tell us alive. I was it was I met on a Friday Sunday morning. Earning a friend of mine who lives here. Rich Bogle weirdly his sister had been in. La and it had dinner with this guy. John Maynard who was the guy at CBS that I pushed survivor and said this show. You know he's the guy that got it on the air. They had dinner together and he was just randomly talking to this friend of his and said Yeah we have this new show survivor and I think we found our hosts. This Guy Jeff probst sister goes. My brother knows him really well and said you can't say anything anything but she did and enrich. Called me goes look. I can't say anything and I'M I can't believe it all day Monday. I'm waiting going to call all day. No call all day. No Call I go to Barnes and noble back when Barnes and noble was where you went I fall asleep I fall asleep. I was reading something I fell asleep and and all I had there. I don't even think there were phone. It was texting and I get I had had fifteen tax while I was asleep from my agent and I call it five forty five and he said where the hell of you been. We have till six o'clock to say yes and it was the least amount of money I'd ever made. And when we ask for a little more they said absolutely not this show is going to make your client a star. And if he doesn't want it the next guy does get away okay. How much was it like? You're talking about a little but look in the world of TV of should be paying you. I'm assuming fifteen million a year. I don't know I'll tell you what it was. It was a one hundred fifteen thousand dollars dollars for sixteen episodes which means you know ten grand in episode. Thank God you took that right and it sounds. It's hard to say that because that's it's a lot of money now but it gets really. We know how much money Mark Burnett makes the Levy TV. What a bargain basement price? That was a pretty low level price for a big show but didn't matter to me as far as the talent like you. What a great investment you made? So I didn't care about the money at all. The agents job is to ask for what I thought was funny as we had a fifteen minute window window and he said I'm going to go ask for a little more and about three minutes later. He called back. Yeah they said no backup. Because I'm kind of pissed off about something back to Barnes and noble. I still go to Barnes and noble. There's one open it's down here in Tribeca. You could go there now. The last remaining Barnes Barnes and noble this off. What are you mad about because you were like back? When it was the place to go is the place to I'm saying back? When survivor started Amazon Azzam was just starting to sell books? Talk About Smart Amazon. Came on and put all the bookstores out of business. And now they're building bookstores. All right so by the way Jeff probst survivor winners at war. The fortieth season is preparing a Wednesday right next Wednesday next Wednesday this Wednesday we have have a really cool special twenty years of the best moments and we brought back the players who were in the moments and interviewed them so that they can take you inside what they were thinking king inside the moment. It's a really cool special. I've a brilliant idea. We should marry two of my favorite shows survivor and below deck on Bravo. I want to see survivor below deck and even get a my wife just turned me onto a flying out here and you know what's great about below deck back. They get the the people on the show to pay for it. Yeah that's crazy. Pay For their crew tip the crew. Yeah and then they get to be on TV for it is you. Look I tell Ya. Andrew Trying to Andrew my assistant on survivor. His family very very wealthy. Now now you're talking. We should pay how much I'll pay you your first year salary. A hundred thousand dollars. Yeah and a lot more now. I'm Andrew Andrew. How how many seasons? We've we've been trying to bribe. Jeff Probes Okay so twenty on survivor. Yeah it's been since two thousand seventeen three full years. Oh Andrew Andrew Proud proud of you for all your success by the way trade to hear from you just waiting waiting shirt for you so now. This is from a kid who's had some advantage in life just said I've waited three whole years in in my defense. We have ten million people listening right now. Though advantage is true we actually have more listeners. Okay pandrew if you can okay if you can prove yes that your ten million listeners. And we'll all be watching survivor. That's your next mission ain't happening but the only reason we invite what you wanted this this Sunday. When you're the only reason I come on? This show is 'cause you have more viewers than US listen. I'm you're here. You kinda gave away the winter you did. You cannot play this. Wow So so don't lifetime jeff was on the show. Daniel asked you a question. Do we have the sound here. Listen to this is a super likable. People are GonNa love him because of what what you did. Does he wins in a brutal in the question. We're not going to get an answer to let me ask you. Tommy was going to ask you said yes and then Tommy one in all seriousness. That's always been the best part about doing. Press is that that I can say yes or I could tell the truth or lie right and I have many times said the truth and people go really and I go no and then it was the truth. Thanks yeah I mean because no one at this you already know who wanted to do was rob because I love. It was the yesterday with who I believe is on this season. Yeah is he didn't tell me anything. Don't work what's her name L. O.. Were you you didn't tell me. Think what does this superbowl. Yeah here shows on the shelves. Great she's got a chip on her shoulder this time because when when she played the first time and she won she didn't the perception was maybe she wasn't as strong a player so she comes in this time saying you know blank that I'm I'm going to show that I can kick ass on the show on the shoulder. She also does is the first time we've ever had two winners. You million dollars twice twice. Think in your opinion as the has been the best player of all the seasons. Do you have somebody. It's so it's so hard to I mean one woman Sandra Andro one twice so I guess you'd have to say her but there's some pretty savvy that is why it is so fun to watch because you do get to play along and then you get to judge the idiots for the decisions that you wouldn't have made and and you know I said it earlier but I don't know win. It happened seven eight nine years ago. Kids just became addicted. Seven eight nine ten eleven twelve year. Old Kids my my kids. They're ten and thirteen and they're obsessed with it you know and I'm starting to understand more and more beyond the adventure which is what usually grabs the kid. Yeah they also deal with social politics in grade school middle school high school and you see that playing out on survivor and it poses those questions to a family. What would you do if somebody did that to you? Yeah do you think after having hosted for so long that you could win and if you went on the show if I wasn't if I wasn't me if I was just Probably not no. No I think my lip. You're a cushy boy yeah that is that is Baloney do hello who has done a show for twenty years in the jungle and who has done a show for twenty years. There's in this little booth with your green shirt. You have wine and Upper Nanna eating my hung out with the NYU hockey team so hot. Yeah hold on. I'll admit I'm boozy sometimes. When vacation? I can be boozy but survivors. No boozy job as it pays the bills look back up so forty seasons twenty years. What if you hadn't done what if what if you didn't get this Gig I know what would you be? Would you want to be doing right now Jeff. Well I don't think I'd still be trying to tell stories somehow. Honestly Elvis. That was the appeal of survivor. was that are telling. I'd seen what Mark Burnett had done on. This show called ECO challenge. And I I wasn't I wasn't i. I wanted to be able to tell stories from behind the camera and control them from in front of the camera when I was in high school. That's what I started or d latching onto us making this movies porn. Little bit a little bit. I consider that for a brief moment. Yeah but And then weirdly. That is kind of what has happened. Is that mark. gave us the show. I'm the executive producer so I get to be creative behind the camera and then I get to be the guy that puts. It's the period on the sentence in front of the camera so it was about storytelling like this season is even though it's this great game it's still another epoch season of human in stories and we have this thing called edge of extinction and it pushes people to their limit and you'll see it early on there are people that have that will say I have never in in my life done anything this hard over and it's beautiful because it pushes you and amaze you you amaze yourself because I didn't think I could do that too. You're watching coaching lives. Being changed hundred percent even know these are people that have played survivor. Before I'm telling you right now you're going to see people going never never ever thought I could get to this level and they're proud of themselves and it's delicious to watch because it's brutal do you want it because if you don't just quit raise the flag get out. You know the beginnings of survivor were never this intense. Now I mean you guys to be on the air for this long. Obviously you have to change the game there you go and so now it's in intensity and it's not intensity for the sake of intensity to me because I have some say in it. It's about the spiritual that's what it's about even though people will laugh some people. Don't get that some people get it when you find yourself living in jungle surviving on very little and it's dumping rain or you know it's super hot or whatever you you are being tested and then every season we amped up because we are capable of so much more. And that's why like when kids watch. Go Mom I could do that and I say you think you could live in a junk. Yes you think you could catch a fish. Yes you could make fire right now. They believe it that sense of adventure. He's totally convinced he's he's going to be on the show one day. And you know what he prob- we're casting right now for forty one I would say sixty percent of the people that will be on the show watched watched as a kid. Would you put Andrew rarely honest and we have to let you go. I'll take you somewhere else. Where were they going? Where are you going when Netanyahu hanging out here out of all the interviews? We've done with you. I mean I think we've had you on probably more than anyone else. Oh yeah the most convincing mm-hmm convincing of Cadillac salesman today. I mean you're really selling me on this show. You really are tremendous today. Well well do you agree. Ed I mean I think you I connect is that I connect to your. I think I think you probably put this on. But you're SORTA CRA mudgee glass half off empty. Yeah but approach you push people so you're a good you're a good straight man or whatever to me because you go. Yeah but but I really believe this stuff. It's not put on. I wouldn't be doing it. I could be a criminal too but I love this show and I love it. You have a passion I do. I love it because I believe believe in it I want to get. Have you called me straight talk funny. Thank you for coming on today. Thanks for having me tells me if you miss this upcoming season of survivor. You're gonNA miss something very there's two winters has never happened before the both of them. You know what it is interesting. This is this. Maybe you can help me out with this. Whatever you need when survivor ver- premiered twenty years ago? The finale was watched by seventy two million when the second season opened for the Super Bowl. Forty five million the second most I watched post super bowl show in the history of TV but every year every television shows ratings. Go down they just continue down. What I can't get in my head figure out is how do you get the families that here about survivor but have never watched to watch one episode? You can't leave. You can't leave. We've run by like crack for kids. It really is and and they. They have taught me so much from the show like and saleslady monster. Now we gotTa Watch survivor. Put you're doing. It's on right now and they don't even like to watch it on. DVR LIKE THEY WANNA watch it when it's on yeah. I think the way way to do that is have Andrew on it might be. I'm open to the search for Jeff probst on nude what is two and a half men episode of two and a half minutes picture of Jeff that that's Yeah A. He's playing the part of the pizza delivery. Do you know what I remember about that. My Great Wife. She said all right I two things happened there. A friend of mine is a makeup artist. She said okay. First thing you have to do. If you're going to be quote naked. You have to shave your chest. No Dude looks good with Chester on TV. Ever trust me right so as I okay okay I shaved and my wife said now we got to figure out how to get like as lean and cut for that moment. Oh so I go in there in the morning for the shoot and Jon. Cryer was was a friend of mine and and is a friend of mine. And so I said Hey. WHO's the guy that well given the truth? which a D.? And he so he told me so. I call the eighty and listen. Don't give me a twenty minute call if it's an hour give me a ten minute call when it's ten minutes I'll be ready. I'm ready because right before then. I drank a glass of wine. which does something to your like your veins pop or something? I'm drinking and then I did a bunch of push pushups and they said we're ready for you and I walked out and then you take your rogoff and you have the tiniest underwear on and you're standing friendship bunch of crudes. You Look Great. How long ago was this picture taken? I don't know when was that Lori years ago. You're covering up your immunity idol. It barely do a search for. Yeah I can't do a search for Jeff probst nude and you'll see that all of that aside number one come back and see US number to put Andrew on your show number three put Andrew come on make an okay number one. I'd love to come back number two and number three together. We only have twenty spots on our show. Every spot is a potential winners. Don't not there yet but you can't stop and do I'm serious if you're really that three years of applying is Oh whoa so me. You're not ready for ourselves. Sixteen Years Fifteen sixteen. We have a woman. That's going to be on next year. That's applied for nineteen years ears dock as well. Guess what. She doesn't have a far-reaching radio. Show I'm Andrew knows the job. Show me the data and I'll put you on and I'll literally say Andrew you're on the show because you're bringing in an audience talk. You'll be hearing from us today. Nate nate yelling at me. The way we have to let you know what's great about your guys show. I'm really getting to see the architecture of the show and it's brilliant alien you're only here for a minute and then we're not gonNA talk about this and it's time to go. Oh wait one more thing. There is a photo. There's one more you guys. Have you all play this these party. That's why we don't do. TV because TV is so like structure and now we knew what we want here. Yeah we wanted to play a game. Let's say that I didn't want to leave and I just said can I please just stay here for an hour it's happened. We've had many people say that but apparently you have to go do more press. Where are you doing next? Were you going next. I don't talk listen to her. No really where are you going to be able to watch. Oh Really Riley and Ryan love. Kelly Hate Ryan We love the show. Get your thanks for having me on a competing network so you're on. CBS You're going to ABC. You guys are good getting Jeff on ABC. I don't get that stuff that that is. I've never understood this. We don't follow. Follow anybody and if you're not on our network who cares anymore the knows what network is. This is so archaic thing as we go on Falun from time to time but I can't get on CBS. I can't get arrested by CBS. Your network hates me a little. That's me they tell you something you hear the passion survivor winters at war. The fortieth season premiering next Wednesday a at eight nine central on CBS. We love you is eight seven or eight hundred eight seven central. Whatever it doesn't matter it's time to take the real who cares your fabulous? Thank you Elvis Rain in the morning. Show hey guys it's froggy. We all know bedtime can be a battle for both you and your kids. For instance. My son used to struggle to fall asleep or fortunately we discovered vicks appears. These kids Melatonin gummy to help them fall asleep. Naturally Peer Z's kids in stores near you. I tell you let jeff probst. What a nice guy I love him? That was fun. It was fun you know we have a button we push. It's called the dump button. So if anyone uses just foul language he pushed the dump button and it will. We're on a delay. It'll take it out right so earlier this morning. I use the F. Word I do believe and so so we hit the we hit the dump button very excited about Patrick mahomes scoring a touchdown. I've very excited so the F.. Word flipped out of my mouth. And it's why we push the button and erased it so we're all good so something happened when we pushed it this morning. It broke it so jeff probst came in. He used the S.. Word the the Brown word end so I pushed the dump button. Apparently it didn't work. Oh senior executive producer nate. Do we have legal on the phone. I mean he used the each word. We made an attempt. Our device failed talked to engineering and the best part is it didn't come out of one of our mouths. That's our saving matter. It came out over our airwaves responsible. Tell you right now that it has been fixed. So we're good now see so he let me tell you something when you're my age you don't WanNa don't use a line like my device failed not anyway so jeff probst Nice Guy. Mm what brody what this person wants to know why you would never in Ellen. I'm never took on elements uh-huh either Elvis never in Ellen network issues. What does that mean on? Because you can't go on. CBS so they're wondering if it was because she's on CBS. I I don't know I do. I used to do so much stuff with NBC that the other networks. Don't want me by I gotTa Tell You ABC Good Morning America. I think I think we may have something going on over over there we love. GM just saying hey froggy what are you thinking about. Oh nothing I'm just surprised. You've never been on Ellen but then maybe I'm not surprised you've never been on Ellen Thank you thank you obvious. Like Gay Guy. Lesbian joke anyway What are you doing there Daniel? I am the writing the rest of my report that we're about to do them jotting down some notes that I've actually right get to yes. This is a call is that you know what shut your mouth just like chicken scratch. You should see it Ozzie. Reads it I would tell you some mornings. Daniel will actually write her report and then she'll go to read it and she can't read right. What do you mean some morning morning? I'm like what is that right here. That's the worst better. Lean over to being a what does it say you wrote it. I don't know how it's coming in the giants went all my God. You think we were bad less than uncle. Johnny was a train Rosie with you. Yeah I haven't heard anything about him. We went to we went to four leanings health breath and then they said we have to clear out the bar. We have a private party coming in. WHO's the private party the NYU hockey? I said well I'm not leaving so we we stayed in the NYU hockey team. We have so much so much fun we shot and John. They're passing his his hairpiece around. I was wondering indeed his teeth. Come out everything. came out gets a lot of action it really gets handed around. Yeah I mean I'm sure it has I wouldn't put it on. It's got some virus answering answering. Got Some virus stuff. What's Scary Alex? Do that did do that. Joke where he spits in the palm of your hand yes. We taught it to the entire hockey taste. Good morning uncle Johnny. How am I hung over the one that came to work? I know I listening to you and I went. Oh my God how could he do that. So Johnny how much funded you have with the NYU hockey team. That was is wonderful. I love being on the ice. What what the hockey team? That was a hockey team. That was there. Didn't even know that you had your hair on all of them. Well you're other half takes it off of me all the time. Can you imagine. Alex Rodriguez to he'll just rip uncle John his hair off and put on other people to run around grabbing my the Johnny better easy. It's not easy being green. I was pretty for this. Okay so Johnny. We have a lot of last night's summit tells me it's GonNa be a Monday Monday. Oh Monday day why. What are you guys doing? We're going up. Oh God wants to go with my hi mom coming down. I'm sure she'd love to come to. Let's go one can't hang around. Shame me what about the birthday boy scary. I would but Monday. They funday turns into Tuesday Blues Day. We cried fake scary. Come on out. Good it's his birthday. What do you do for your birthday consuming? Absolutely nothing come out with US come on. Let's do some day to day drinking. Never invites you out so I would take would go. I will do a real. There's some really good to Keel on the rocks. Really Good Johnny. You coming out. Let's do it. Yes we're covering. Let's call already hall Alex Cars. What's calling Alex? I'm calling him at work. Let's see if he's awake at work. It's Monday the phone says work. Hey you're on the air with uncle. Johnny we want to go out to hang out with uncle. Oh Johnny and Take scary out for his birthday for cocktails. Can we do that still in bed no way. Alex where's my cycle. Johnny wants to know where his hair is due to my hair idea point someone the NYU hockey team has uncle johnny hair. Would you please bring it back. No questions asked questions. I got nothing questions. I gotta go equipped. We're taking Beta. Go Janis still talking. Thanks dislike I am not doing any straight away at ten A.. One Yeah no brakes. No Odhiambo Odeon start with an Irish coffee okay. That what's up Garett commercial yesterday with all the actors from Boston. Can we hear uncle Johnny. Just say Smart Park. It's pop pop pop pop back the Hyundai commercial with ski. Yeah did you see the the the The trader for his new movie. He's in a movie with his wife. Quiet place to emily blunt. Oh my God I can't wait to see it. I don't have a movie I'm not in the movie. Was I was talking about please. He's the obviously drunk still. Just hang up on. You won't even know that we talked swimmer later. Date panicle Johnny. But I'm hoping you won't remember it thirty minutes. Johnny come downtown with the apartment at ten o'clock now go way. Yes we're going to talk to you later bye plays. It doesn't want to go. That's the first time I've ever heard him. He'll show usually he's mad. He can't go wherever you're going to be an enabler here that's right you can't drink 'cause you're you're doing Mr fat loss fat loss. Please never heard Alexan- uncle Johnny. Both say Hell no at the same time I and I'm the only one that was to go out and play you. People were lame all right. Let's get into sound Garrett. Here's some good stuff today. What are you all right? Let's start with Some commercials so the story was. Mr Peanut is going to pass away so the commercial yesterday picked up at the funeral and Mr Peanut comes back to life what is happening. What is that baby nuts? Just kidding I'm back. So now he's baby nut l little peanut in the form of Abate Yoda. Yes so Tom Brady put out this cryptic tweet tweet. Everybody started going. Oh my God. What's Tom Brady going to do? Well it turns out we find out in this commercial so to my teammates my family and most first of all my fans. You deserve to hear this from me. Hulu doesn't have live sports. According to the script they just gave me who also has your favorite cable channels plus the greatest shows movies and a retreat cares hairs but then at the end of it he goes. I'm not going anywhere. So some people are saying that he's not retiring but if he's staying with the Patriots knows. This is a bad way of getting the Patriots into the Super Bowl. Somehow so let's commercial off last night was about Patrick. Mahomes exactly all right. I'm sorry thom let let. Let's Talk Jet Van over there the Patriot. Let's talk about these pets super bowl halftime show. Here's a little montage Shakira and Jaylo. I love watching the show along the way it still. I'm still getting nothing. It was a great show. No Gerald O. The singer was singing along at home. Yes to All right but during secures performance she did this into the camera the becoming a mean everyone the tongue things apart. So let's play a game is it. Is it scary or is it a Turkey okay ooh scary answer scaring Tortilla. Keaton Turkey Aguirre securer all right so After the Game Terry Bradshaw he was interviewing all the players. Hold on nate. What's wrong with you I? Ah I don't know I stopped listening about five minutes are you okay. No I'm not Howard Stern here his hair you can tell he's literally been pulling it. It's been a day bit a bit of a day. Could be honest with you. I don't think anything's really that bad. Okay tell me tell me what's so bad. It's a little stressful this morning. What we had to find your corkscrew? I mean that's that's always a challenge. Alan Arkin defy one. He did take a punch to the ribs. I did I did. Yeah okay other than me punching you looking for corkscrew. It's been a hell of a day. I think we're having a very fun. Jeff probst was awesome one of my top five guests four. I can't remember the other four sometimes the problem though I mean it's been a fun day. Is it really that difficult. Do you make millions of dollars a year. I hear you paying me if you need. Validation this text and G. I. F. Ing Love You guys. I can hardly hardly drive laughing so hard not to mention the coffee. Spit into my steering wheel and nonstop. I love you get back to the fact that makes millions of dollars year. Shut up froggy. We know what you make wait a second more than me. They all make Danielle. Gandhi makes the least amount of money. Excuse me is I have no idea what anyone try and make the most Gary makes them make the most and then in Sam producer. Sam is the second. Oh yeah a close second. He's so I think this shows not fun. I just trying to stay on time and we got like thirty seconds to take a break so I'm not doing my report again. We'll do next. We're not even done with sound you. Can I finish my recording. Carrie Bradshaw interviewing the MVP repeat last night. Pat Mahomes the Patrick Long. He called him Patrono you so I met Patrick homes and Knicks game and his girlfriend was so so sweet so beautiful. She grew up in the same town. I grew up in Texas all right and then but but he is. He brought his own hair stylist with him. To Miami's you see that I did not his hair. He has a guy who's in charge of that. Did you see the story going around over the weekend. Where Patrick Mahomes and his girlfriend before they left for the Super Bowl or having pizza at a pizzeria no one talked to him at the pizzeria and he got up and said this is why I love this city and then compete for everyone's dinner? That's awesome all right so it pays to make money. Yeah anyway all right Massingir last night. This is the robot singing some money private. I'm going to tell you who the robot is by Wayne. Yeah there you go great album by the way The massing or so we also had a caller say that LSU sounded like the Llama last night so people think you're on this show you're out in La flew back home and you're the Lama so they all Alex is calling hosing. You're on the air what's going on. I just don't the answer. Johnny is putting his teeth in the shower. Get a beat you at at o'clock only of Gandhi and scary and the whole crew about. I thought they we're going out. Can we just go have a quick good morning cocktail. Come on but accurate from the NYU as Johnny's Air Patrick from Nyu NYU hockey team. Is that Patrick hot. Boys Boy Patrick. I'd tell him we want Uncle Janis hair back. We'll see them goodbye. Right back finally The LLAMA last night busy a caller said this morning. That you elvis sound like the Lama. So there's a theory that you're on the mass mass singer. Okay tell me if this sounds like me okay. So you get to here now. I hear little little bit. What your little now now? I have no comment. Maybe I am the Lila. Thanks all right well. Thank you Europe American once again. Is it scary. Got orsha KITA anyway. We didn't go around the room and we. I'll we'll do that next. We're going to go around the room and do the things we should have done. This break next was talking about Taco bell showing so Taco Bell. Not only do they feed US fabulous tacos but they had had this really incredible Nacho. Freising going those things look so good. So they've pulled out all this top for Nacho fries. They have a new trailer. Remember the last one. That had a What's his name in it? Oh Darren Criss yeah. Now they have a new one called supply and demand is starts to friends who started an underground market for Nacho fries. I'm going to read the copy. And and who can blame them a Mexican spices on fries with no cheese on the side you got to check this out. TACO bell's not fries back for a limited time. You know what I'm not gonNA. We just copy. Let me just speak from the heart. This is like a moment in the movie. I love Taco Bell. The NACHO fries are to die for and even though they have an incredible credible incredible bunch of people writing copy to talk about their new trailer and and it's really great. I mean they put a lot of money into it they make a lot of money at Taco Bell. I love Taco Bell. Support import them. They support US support us an. Where's he going? I don't know where are you going. I think nate quit. I I just did a great testimonial for novell just quit. How do we separate money amongst the rest of us I I poured my heart out for Taco Bell? I know I had to go white. My Eyes Yeah all right. I'm going to hit the button. We'll be back after this. Maybe in the morning show so. Have you caught Miss Americana. The Taylor Swift documentary on Netflix. Have a frog you saw two and Youtube. So what'd you think Gandhi. I think it puts her in a completely different light than most people are probably used to seeing her early like polls polls the covers off of a lot of stuff that I think people think about Taylor swift a lot and wonder why are things this way she answers at a little. What about you froggy? What did you get from it I can? I see the same thing I think it makes you like Taylor swift a little more. If you're somebody who has thought maybe some things weren't what you thought they were. You see it in a different light it to see her. I I love watching the act of making music and so to see her. Sit Down in front of piano. They show how song starts to come to life and then right here on the radio and see it when awards I just you see things from a different side I would. I would recommend. It can't be easy being Taylor swift and you see in this documentary how it has been quite stressful and quite challenging for her. She's beyond successful. She's is beyond talented but she got to a point in her life and career where people started to resent her and. I don't know why I can take guesses. This is but I'm not going to but in this documentary you learn so much about are the what are the great things about Miss Americana is. It's not that long you can. You can catch it. Oh it's a little over an hour I say watch it. It's worth it. Here's what I hate about it. I'm in it for like three seconds. It's the most one of those embarrassing moments of my career and I and I had nothing to do with it. Nothing wrong yeah yeah for once. It wasn't my fault today show so I was on the red carpet at the grammys with entertainment tonight with. At and Nancy Odell and Taylor swift walked the red carpet and we were first up because we were CVS. We all the artists I in they were smart to have me on because we actually have the the connection with artists to bring them over. That's why they used. You used us for them anyway. But they didn't let me host. They made an Nancy Odell doing her show so Nancy Odell says you're going to go home tonight right with more than just award. You can go home. You're going home with a guy tonight or something like that and so Taylor looks at her and says I'm not going home with anyone tonight. It was a stupid thing. That's your Dell said and so. I'm standing next to her going. I had nothing to do with that question. Be So I may. I may the documentary humidity in one of the most embarrassing. You know the other the other part of entertainment. Not that I hate was when I interviewed Justin Bieber in my apartment in entertainment tonight. Gave me a list of questions they wanted asked and they were like invasive just embarrassing questions but I did it for the sake of ET. Br bringing camrys raise cameras in. So I will never ever do that kind of thing again I will never ever give into a TV show. Yeah saying ask questions even though you would never ask them on your when they were brought we were trying to make that reality show about that and we were trying to make us be things we were not. They wanted some of the girls to talk about each other like we were in the bathroom. And they're so while you're in the bathroom talk about so and so and then she'll hear you and I go no. I don't know I'm not doing that. We need a little bit of drama. I said well you're in the wrong spot. Because John Bethany Bethany Kathleen will say. I'm were you in there. The Amazon and the plane was. They're they're asking things of you. You know we're not doing that. I'm sorry so I that was the beginning of the end of the reality. So lesson learned in a matter. If you're on a radio show or if you're a teacher or whatever you're doing in life be true Rudy yourself don't sell out. We totally almost sold out for that. I sold out for et. I'll never do that again. Ever that's good. Oh here's the question from Nancy Odell L. O.. God so embarrassing with Taylor Swift why not. I just wanted to show the legs because as I was telling you ahead of time you're going to walk home with more than maybe just a trophy tonight. I think lots of men. I'm not going to walk home with any men's I'm GONNA hang out with my friends and then I go home to the cats. No men allowed men get me in trouble. I was trying to defuse so oh Nancy Odell actually called me the next day she said Oh my God because he was getting a lot of grief yeah the press was like eating her up saying how dare you say to tailor anyway Miss Americana Watch it you have to take a break no no no we have enough to go around the room if you take a break now what's next I'm GonNa go down the room let's go around the room. This is not on a negotiation boy. Oh my God oh boy straighten it. Let's go hit the button. The uh-huh you added you're such a jerk. Talk got nothing but time okay all right. I'll go home the walkout this point. Listen you WanNa stay home today. What's on your mind? Today to froggy ahead of time. I was on my mom and I are going out with To their house and we're GONNA hang out for like three or four days. What's the problem going to bet problems going to be? My mom would come. Shopping is worse than I am as Danielle. Let's get it right. So how long is it five days. So I- warning you and I apologize. Go ahead of time I love you froggy adventure to mcnasty five minutes. Did you tell him to be ready for phone. Calls Every fifteen minutes so you and show them on the phone. I like how you peel your banana now. From from the bottom. What's going on with you? uh-huh okay well. I told you guys at the beginning of the year I wanted to get back to my creative side was painting or making things or writing. And I've been doing it and I think I'm going to start an se shop. The I would buy those trees the wire trees I love those. I posted the stuff if you want to take a look at it. It's on my instagram baby. Hot Sauce but I I think I'm GONNA do it. Paintings and trees and all kinds of stuff. Great thank you so good. What's up there producer Sam so if you are bettering yourself through higher education at any age? You're very impressive. But if you're doing it as an adult adult that is just the coolest thing ever so last night. My boyfriend people put me to bed because apparently I'm seven and he went back into living into study and when I woke up this morning he's still wasn't in bed. I woke up and go on a living room. And he's still studying and and he said I have to make money and I have to study what I can so he was up all night. And I'm just so proud of him and so impressed so any grownup who is in school with kids or we're real responsibilities. You are just a freaking superhero. You are incredible. And so are you William Proud of him when you when returning oddly as impressive as any graduate abusive abusive he gave a terrible clue. Elvis it was sabotage. Call them stupid. Like what's up security birthday boy. So we're taking you out Dante drinking daytime drinkers club so my instagram story Korea. Everybody's birthday and it's literally social media overload. Is it too impersonal to just craft one generic. Thank you much. Appreciated your the copies to everybody. Okay wh what Gandhi his and he has to like answer bruins individuals. Don't you don't even have to do that all. I don't like them all like everybody on instagram. Happy Birthday honey. I love you a blanket. Thank you by the way. The text messages telling nate to F.. Off You guys are you take way commercial breaks elemental the show is to frigging funny. Elvis's on fire today Lovett. Today shows the best ever could meet coordinate. His hair he's done. Here's a question you're gonNA pull your hair out dude. 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That's hitting America in today's phone tap human. Let's listen hello. Oh Hi sorry about that. My headset was on backwards. Can you hear me yes. Wow Wow. I'm embarrassed I'm sorry about that back. That's fine that's quite all right. Does this volume work for you. Yeah that works for me may double the volume double the volume. They you you go no problem. WHO's this can? I speak to Preston Bernard. Yeah this is a High Preston. My Name Is Bill McCarthy and I'm calling from exit cards services services. Oh okay okay. Do I have your permission to record this. Call for Quality Assurance. Yes you have my permission go ahead. I'm calling regarding when you're shopping network issue that you had you had problem. Yes I did. I only pissed. TV IN MID-NOVEMBER. They keep saying it's on back or I don't what the TV anymore right but you charge me for the set you wanted to reverse discharge. Yes I do you know what I don't know if I can assist you. May I transfer you to my boss. Go ahead transfer if we get disconnected for any reason you could call me back at extension four to seven nine. My name is bill card. mccart we over card all right. So scary took that went back into the into the back studio rearranged everything with his voice than his wife called him back a half hour later. And let's let's see what happens. Well Preston I just got this really creepy phone call giving me your voice that says you. I'm just ordered six thousand dollars charge to the credit card. What did you just order? He Goes No. I'm not talking about sixty. I just got off the phone with the Damn Credit Card Company telling him to cancel the order on TV. They just called me and just left me this really areas. Are you information damn information. I don't think you have something I want to hear the voice mail. I'm Wayne and I'll play it for you while you're playing players. This is Michael up in Heimer with wire. Transfer Services. Is this Preston. Yes person I have access to your bank account in credit card information. Is it okay if I open it up right now. That's quite all right. Is it okay if I take three thousand dollars out of your account and transfer it to wire transfer services that works for me. I also understand. You have a three thousand dollar television from US Mason on back order. Do we have your permission to send the television to us but charge your card. Yes you have my permission. Maybe be you'd like to order to televisions double the volume. Okay we'll double the volume no problem. And how would you like to pay for that card. Okay we'll bill your card. We'll take all the money out of your account and transfer some to us as well. Do I have your permission to make the transfer go ahead. Transfer thank you. This transaction is now complete. I told you not talk to these people I told you just see. It's not the questions he asked me. I was I I. 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362: Xcode in Anger

Accidental Tech Podcast

2:12:23 hr | 8 months ago

362: Xcode in Anger

"I'm a I'm actually going to need you to wait a few minutes until I finish what I'm doing here. I'm doing something extremely important. You pay more bills. No no no not. That is a deep cut. No I am entering the Virginia Tech football schedule for this fall. It's very important business. Were you entering it. In my calendar era we can get started on. I feel Glum I feel Glenn and the traumatic brain injuries in football game that you're into watching so it's like that I I'd not having them in the head. Forty it's worth. I'm weaning myself off. A football doesn't seem like you are preparing to settle in for for another season myself football by entering every single game that a home pods play into my calendar. I I know I've weaned myself off the NFL because the NFL is terrible. Even leaving aside football as terrible sport which I'm not debating it's terrible The NFL is particularly in uniquely terrible. And and it just so happens that my favorite. NFL football team is also terrible and so that was a really good time to just weaned myself off the NFL. But that's like saying like I give up alcoholic beer like baby steps but not really. I don't smoke weed I just listen to fish. That's very different. You I know it all right. We should probably get started with some follow up in Blake. Walsh wanted this. I don't enough. I should be offended by this or overjoyed by this. Probably overjoyed but this is the most preposterous yet. Beautiful follow up we've gotten a while Blake walls wanted us to know that we we were not looking at the windows logo on one of John's mice. We were actually looking at the Microsoft logo because it is a perfect perfect square rather than whatever you call that other object which is like slanty on the top and bottom this. This is amazing. This is like okay we. This is not the windows logo. That's the Microsoft logo. You can obviously tell the difference because the Microsoft logo is basically straight and the windows logo is basically the same thing in Italics. It's like it's like okay. It's totally different or same thing but slanted Lou in. This is one of those pieces so here. This is a little inside baseball. But you know when you when one is a podcast especially doing a nerdy podcast. One will receive all sorts and manner of feedback and nerds often but not always are not the most socially adept creatures and sometimes the feedback. Back comes across deeply obnoxious even if it really honestly wasn't met that way this is one of those times where I think it really could have been one of those like Ooh. This could go real bad. Yeah Yeah Like Hey you idiots. That's the windows. That's not the windows logo. This Microsoft logo wrong with you but no thank you Walsh for For riding that line ever so deftly in this this was well done well executed. I was happy to receive. This is this was quite funny. It wasn't the only one to send it though. A lot of people sent this feedback. I'm just so happy that like obviously a company like Microsoft when they changed their logo. This is not a small process. Could imagine like all the board meetings and in design reviews and research surveys and branding exercises that all lead them to finally come up with. Here's a square with you. Know two lines forming gaps that make window panes. This is going to be the Microsoft logo and in our new windows logo. Go through all that same process again and then they come out with the exact same thing not a new logo by the way. It's been a logo for years and I'm familiar with the windows. One from all that time spent watching the windows ten. Ah installer run me on the mouth of the me just being old Is that. I'm used to seeing the new Microsoft logo in its color form. Like it's a play on the old you remember. Think back to Windows. Ninety five the windows logo wavy flag with these little pixellated squares. Coming off the end and that that you know wavy flag is cut into four pieces in the forties are different colors right. The modern Microsoft logo is a play on that where it is flattened out because you know flat versus the puffy whatever nineties ever design and the colors are slightly different in muted or whatever. But that's what that's what it is like. It's not yes when you look at it as four squares stuck to each other but if you know the history of the luxury like oh I see that's kind of a modern simplification and refinement of what I knew to be the windows logo but it's not the winners low. It's the Microsoft local and then the windows log itself looks more like a window perspective skewed so it looks like a window on the side of the House and I think there's a color variant of that. Maybe but anyway you see it in windows itself. Surprise is when you're watching the installer and when you're logging in and stuff like that I actually don't think the logos are that bad is just very in the black and white version. There's really not much into it and you really need to have a little bit more character. I think the Paul Monochrome logo like the Apple logo is pretty darn good. Let's say and it looks good and color. It looks good in his original Rainbow Stripes. It looks good in monochrome and also it's got a strong outline. This does not really have a strong online. If you didn't even know it was a company logo and you saw the mouse like I think it would just be invisible. The windows local does look like more like a logo because it is perspective skewed. So I think that's not actually that bad but both of them require you to have sort of a cultural knowledge of the history of Microsoft and related stuff to get anything from Ramat whereas you don't have to know anything about apple the company to understand the cultural significance in American significance of the Apple Biblical significance of the Apple Apple and with the bite out of it and everything like it's all there in the logo. You don't need to know that it's Apple Computer and Steve Jobs work done an orchard and all that other stuff so anyway not every company can apple. God I don't think Microsoft is I think these logos are actually not that bad and I certainly like the Windows logo bear than the weird wavy flag when those ninety five one which was very dated when it was new. Of course you would say that John Tell us about how you get that darn dropbox icon out of the finder. If she please showered tell me. How did you get rid of the essentials it's not like a preference in dropbox anymore where it's like you disabled? Find her integration. I'd totally forgotten that there is an extensions preference pane anymore. And forget about these things and in it. There is a whole list of all sorts of extensions. There's one category called finder and if you go to the finder under extensions I have a bunch listed here that are mostly just the apple built in ones. That's just the finder thinks there's finder and finder extensions other. That's could use anyway. I have have one drive. dropbox some adobe thing expand drive cloud drive and also dropbox and so I- disabled dropbox in fact unchecked every every single box in the finder extensions thing just to cover on basis. Did that fix the problem. No it did not. I'm glad to know that this is here but didn't fix it but why was in here messing with the stuff I was like. What else can I turn off? Can I just stop anything from extending anything to see if I can find out what this problem is. Ice Nice girl down the left hand side and I picked clicked on quick look which is also a thing in the finer quick look plug ins when you can select the file in the finder at space bar. And it will preview it and you you can have plug INS that understand different file formats and everything and when I clicked on the quick look a sidebar item in this preference pain in the background all my finder windows instantly sponsor bars just clicking on the quick look it's just clicking on the item like not actually let me see if I can do it again. This happened right before. The show's is fresh in my awed. Let's get this. Let's see if I click on quick. Look Yup did it again reproducible. I just clicked on quick look and all my finder. Windows book popped until bars. So there's some weird stuff going on an investigation can send you. But I'm glad to know that there is some some kind of reproduction apply. Try To make a movie of this Senate apple in vain moving on anonymous pro display play. FDR presets John Tell us about your pro display. SDR If you please not the the precepts aren't anonymous this is an anonymous source on. It's not what I said. Sorry I I immediately glaze over when I see macro talk so my apologies. Not Mac pro talk that you can use this display with Marco's laptop now with my Mac Mac pro though so it's dead to me. Well you can just five K.. Right I think that's right. Yeah Anyway I was asking the questions about the display. Like sort of a profile presets. One of them was called DRP Three sixteen hundred. Simone was like Apple Display P.. Three five hundreds. What was the deal with those? So here is salona source giving a fairly authoritative answer so basically what you would expect in the default protest by three sixteen hundred Nitzan it can display up to sixteen hundreds of HR HCR content. But it's only when it's showing H stuff the MAC O. S. U. I. RENDERS IN SDR with a maximum of five hundred. NITS and you can control that. Brightness the brightness slider and the buttons on your keyboard or whatever but it composites HD content into that same scene. You can see this really well if you get the aerial screensaver which is like the Apple. TV slow motion flying over cities. Movie Screen Saver. Someone ported that to the MAC because all of those video rouser public sessile we'll video files are public sensible Urals and apple server so someone May Day screensaver out of them and a bunch of them or four K.. And HDR so when you go to the screen saver favor preference pane the whole rest of your screen is s. The Ark of the entire maquis wise SDR but this little tiny windows hd are showing you a preview of what the screensavers are GonNa look like. It's like little tiny portal into a brighter world inside your monitor. It's really freaky. Although it does make me wish like they should like update the Mac. Os h the are like. Somehow you know as we were an aqua like wow look at this you it's like a movie interface and everything squashes and everything is like composite in there. A soft shadows does you can see through stuff. And let's slow motion Genia playing movie into the dock the next the next step of that and X. Factor hd are you. I heard it here first. The aerial that screensaver is very good by the way I. It's my preferred screensaver. If I'm not just going to put up like family pictures or something like that. It is very very good. Yeah this stuff so the SDR preset is there if you want to see for people who want to see what content will look like on an SDR display right so you sometimes you it's like you're creating content that not everyone has an hd our television or monitor whatever and you WanNa see what's GonNa look like so the SDR preset is tailored for that and his person suggest just that unless you're doing that unless you are trial running content to make sure looks okay anesthesiologist. Leave it on the default. I'm doing P. Three sixteen hundred. Nits I love the idea of running the aerial screensaver especially on the next yard. Because you have the whole the whole original idea the screensaver of like. Let's make your screen do something that's going to keep it in motion and everything so it doesn't get burning or whatever else basically like you know literally try to conserve the screens lifespan. And meanwhile you're going to do something that requires like downloading hundreds of gigs of video and then playing it playing. HDR video so that the screen actually uses uses more capacity while it's allegedly idling but it still keeps the thing in motion so if you if you're worried about image retention or whatever it's not keeping the same images changes slowly but you know enough that the image changed on the screen. And it's only thirty three gigs by the way. I know because I downloaded the because I have so much space in this space. This it's GonNa be like when we talk about taping things you realize disk space but like what the hell is disk space. It's almost as bad as somebody. Abbreviating pictures picked no. That's the totally unrelated. Although people say why disc with a K.. It really annoys people. Don't understand this with a CBS disciplined. Okay when it comes to computer technology because you just you see it all the time and it's very consistent but people you know. I guess they're not that observant anyway. All all this all this knowledge will be lost like tears in rain. I tell me John About Year Logitech g throw five light speed mouse. If you don't mind we talked about my son last episode. I didn't have that one I'd now do have it. This was motivated to get it even without actually trying it in person as unlikely. I'm never getting actually go to best buy and try to you. You know. Try this let me just get it mostly because heard from a lot of people who are fans and it has a higher refresh rate does a thousand thousands of samples per second and the other ones are like five hundred or something you know very high sampling rate for game so you can do fast motion with the mouse and it can keep up with. It won't lose track of where you are no other good stuff and this is like a is not like a high end gaming. Mouse is like a low end one. But it's got the same shape as my beloved old old crappy and three hundred slash Logitech USB wheel mouse thing. It's so clearly like the same plastic malls but like with a modernized front. Kinda like when they put a new you know front facial model of car with Anyway Tesla. Yeah I'm sure on the inside. It's totally different. Anyway I got it. I'm using it right now. The absurd third thing which is kind of explicable. When you you know you can explain it but it still seems a little absurd is remember installed like logitech software that I was saying it was? It's really cool. And you know manage all your devices that settings and throw it in the cloud and all that stuff while gaming line of mice has its own software that is totally unrelated to the consumer side that that sounds website too by the way if you go to Logitech Dot Com and look at all the mice. You won't see a single gaming mouse. Logitech g DOT COM or something. They have all their gaining brand where everything thing is black with everything. And they don't even they don't even like cross promote seems like it's just two totally different bins here. I am over in the G. Lands and I got this genus first of all. It's incredibly light. I know this is the thing with my you know. Take out the the the one AA battery and sometimes people put in in a lithium battery. which is lighter or they get one of those adapters? Let's use a triple a and AA space. Just say wait. The new trend now is gaming mice with holes in them like sort of cheese grater the whole like Mesh plastic to be just incredibly light. So this thing is like goodness very very light and it kind of makes sense you know. It has more momentum although I do wonder with lightness thing like if you watch people review gaming mice than you do whatever they're all about weighing them on their little food scales to find out how many grams they are and yes it takes less force to stop a mouse for moving one direction. Move into now. You know like you. You can change direction. More quickly with less effort with lighter mouse. Totally make sense but I question the assumption that being able to change direction direction with very little force is necessarily good given the vagaries of the human motor system like a little bit of momentum in terms of when your mouse is headed in one direction and you try to slow down and bringing direction to correct. I'm not sure like like just imagine you're dealing with like an invisible mouse. Zero gram mouse. I'm not sure that's the best performance for gaming and I think a little bit of the momentum good to smooth out the you know the twitching of your attendance. I don't know anyway. The gamers lovely mice. So it's very light. That's the side effect of making it feel cheap because you know by stereo components and all sorts of other things tungsten cylinders. If if they're light they feel cheap. Like feels like there's nothing in it because guess what there's nothing in it in. The plastic is thin. The thing itself is light it feels cheap glides really nice. It's got four feet on the bottom. I think. Let me see you four feet. Plus it's also uh-huh got a little dirty fifth foot at the very tail like a little dot and it's got a little bit of the nonstick stuff non-slip non-slip the slippery stuff around the sensor. So maybe six feet anyway glides really smooth tracking unbelievable it comes with its own. New Little Dangle. It doesn't work with the with the LOGITECH unified unify. Dongo comes with its own little or the light speed dungle which looks exactly the same but it's totally different also comes with an extension cable. To extend the dangle away from your interference having USB USB three point Oh peripherals it's mostly just to get it close to your mouse like a very long thin cord that you would snake from your computer and put it presumably like right in front of your laptop like it's he's got like little feet on this little dungle as you know it. It's like a USB extension cable but with little feed on it so it can be just like an interim your things you're getting maximum signal strength on your wireless mouse and really is shaped like mildness. So it's like hey old friends come back. But it's got two side buttons on the side and because it shaped like my old now says no replaceable. Aside buttons to hide. So I kind of feel them by my thumb because they're right on the flat side of the mouse in there not perched up on the top of whatever and then the scroll wheel finally the scroll wheel is plastic. He rubberized stuff. It is better than ancient mouse but not in the same league. Any of the metal wheels. It feels Cheap it makes more noise when it turns then listen to it you know you can hear it and it. There's no free spinning there's no ratcheting. There's no different modes is the button. Where the ratcheting switch your thing usually is changes? DPI So you can change to less sensitivity when you're sniping whatever anyway. How would you want? Okay zoomed in and sniping and you WANNA make fine adjustments with larger motions of your your hands. You know what I mean. I guess that's the thing I mean it comes. It's such a it prominent feature on the gaming mouse lines that you can configure up to like maybe five or six or seven different. DPI Levels and configure exactly what they are and then cycle through them even have like keys to swap. Like when you hold down shift it'll spoke to one and then the other one will be false. You can hit the button to cycle through them. The software is very complicated and very game ARY and both by the way. The original logitech option software installed like a local web server or something that disabled God knows what it's doing this this I haven't even looked at what this gaming thing stall thinking. It's stalled I looked at the package contents as pacifists which is a great program you should check out it lets you open any dot. PK G file on the MAC and see where what's inside it and probably will let you know where it's going to install them like what is included are there any launch Ayman's launch agents or launch launch demons files going into applications supporter files going into. Use Your local. That's pretty cool. Yeah I looked inside this one and had a bunch of drivers average like force feedback wheel. It's their logic gaining software period. It's not just what his mouth so I. By any logic game curriculum that works with this so now have two large wads of Logitech set code running and oh by the way. This mouse drivers that come with it. There's a menu bar. I kind of logic gaming menu bar again. I think if you quit that thing all all of that software that goes with the mousters goes away and then the masses controlled by Mac. Os and it feels different like the logitech software that's controlling it has a bazillion Liam settings and it feels different when you use that way when you quit software the whole mouse years there and so I kind of feel like I have to run the software when I'm using the mouse that would be a deal breaker for me saying I don't mind when software like writes settings to the mouse and then you can quit and the mouse kind of retains those settings. I don't like that it has that feature like there is memory on the mouse and also you can save them on the internet or whatever but I in my brief experimentation even when I write the settings to the mouse and when I quit the software I think the acceleration curbs are different. Because you can customize that too and the OAS acceleration curves our differences and realize also running steer mouse. I turned off steer mouse for this now so I think just using a lot of software. None of them feel bad without software. Don't feel bad but it feels a little bit better better with because I spent a Lotta time tweaking the settings and everything and I was just thinking about it being a deal. Breaker like how many drivers and the menu bar is not monochrome. Owned by the way it's bluish dealbreaker for me. Yeah but I I think this is my this is closest to what I was looking looking for in terms of the shape like almost as I bet. It's the same damn. Plastic buttons are different. But it's it's it's what I was looking for with the side buttons aside and I'm kind of glad to have a gaming mouse because if I ever do do any gaming like you know put into windows and try playing destiny once I get a better video card or whatever. I'll probably use this mouse us. 'cause the thousand thousand Hertz polling stuff and all of the configuration options for this and precepts for different games. And everything. I like like it. It's good but for my day to day stuff. I think I might be back to my turned winner. which is I think now still the Microsoft precision mouse? Because here's the thing when I use the precision mouse. It's like like knobs and cars on toasters and stereo equipment. It feels expensive I'm sitting in front of what I know to be objectively very stupidly expensive computer and when the things I touch with my hands also feel expensive. No I'm sitting in front of my expensive computer. When why is this mouse? I'm like what is this using. This feels kind of Janke and you know lightweight and like crush it with my fingers because the plastic is so thin it doesn't doesn't feel exposure stupid. It's like why do you care with. But that's that's an important part of the race may think if you buy like a car with a nice leather wrapped steering wheel versus a car with a shiny plastic steering wheel with like plastic. Mold seems on. It doesn't really matter. How great the car is you? Take in. Search your favorite car here whether it's a luxury sedan sports car and you slap on a steering wheel from a nine hundred eighty four chevy a base model. You know it's not gonNa feel as good even though the car is the same and has the same performance characteristics in the same right in the same handling it fuels worse because the thing you're touching feels cheaper and that is definitely experience diffusing the gaming mouse with my very inexpensive computer and also at this girl just feels way better on the mega. Someone is my favorite grow wheel and very addicted to it now. I do like the lack of thumb shelf investments anyway. I'm going to give this one a few more days just because I I I want to use them for multiple days not just pass judgment after a day of us but that's my job so far on the logic G. Three. Oh five light speed. We respond to this week by Casper. Who makes awesome mattresses and sleep product? 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You know him because he does the closing theme for the show Some of you also know that their stuff that happens after that theme which we've talked about on and off over the last several years anyways The episode that came out this week I don't know what number it is opening. Put a link in the show notes. It's about The Post WWe episode. Awesome this past June which includes tweets from Me and I think Marco and John if I'm not mistaken It certainly includes tweets from some of us and it's a quick fifteen minutes on the nose and I listened to it earlier and it's quite enjoyable so just wanted to point you in that direction if you wanted to check it out. Yeah the whole process of writing songs to me as somebody who who has never done anything even close to. That seems like magic and and I think you know one thing that Jonathan Mann shows is that you know you can get surprisingly good with that if that's what you do and you practice. That's what he does. He's been practicing by writing songs every day for I mean how long has it been like ten years nine years something like that. He's has gotten really good at it and it's really interesting to hear his process. And that's that's what this podcast does. It explains like it's him talking through when you can kind of see like how how songs get made and I find that fascinating real fall up over ten January two thousand nine my mistake. Nick there you go. I can't imagine writing sawn much choice song a day for what is that eleven years good grief more importantly importantly doing anything once per day now like literally anything like especially. If it's something that our acquires some kind of effort like I mean I suppose you l.. Brush teeth every day but a lot of work than coming up with a new song words music and recording it that has never existed before and then the next day he got doing it. Seems even more like like magic when when you don't possess that skill upfront But yeah like even like even if I had just like you know post. A tweet lied on twitter every day. Like even that. That's that's that's the most nothing nothing of all time. It's like the biggest thing that feels something but isn't spoiler to all your twitter protests. It's out there. It's nothing but like that takes nothing nothing at all and you're doing that every day for eleven years it would be nearly impossible as somebody comedy in the chat room just said. I'm not sure I poop every day. That's a pretty good summary At least not everyday for eleven years. You might want to get more fiber in your diet. Half my word all right John. Why don't you give us an update on front and center? You've been hot and heavy with the updates. My man what's going on there so I I saw thanks to everybody. Nobody who purchased front and center. I'm assuming people at the show because my experience has shown that no one who didn't listen to me explain at length what this thing does understands what it does not their fault. It is a weird. It's weird program. That's hard to explain half the difficulty of releasing his trying to explain to people who are looking looking at it what it does so that if they decide that they think they want it and they get it. They won't be surprised by what it does or doesn't do but anyway got a lot of the press coverage on the first day from all my friends. It was nice. Thank all of them for that and as you would expect for an application like this which is like I said probably the most trivial application they could actually exist exist on the APP store and not get rejected that one day of coverage resulted in the vast majority of its sales again. Thank you to everybody who brought it And then the sales dropped off nothing and so my plan is always been as I discussed to eventually raise the price from two ninety nine in my deterrence pricing using strategy mostly. Because I just don't like after physically after sales dropped zero. I don't want anyone accidentally buying it on an impulse and being disappointed because it's difficult explain and people don't read texts on the internet or in the APP store they just see the icon and see some screen shots and think they know what it does does and then get it and they're disappointed because it doesn't do what they want so I want to keep those people away I don't want people to buy it and be disappointed so I raised the price like yeah today today. I raise the price from two ninety nine nine. Two four ninety nine to keep away the riffraff. Don't worry there's not affecting sales because they'd already dropping so big deal but still it did much better than I thought. Obviously the press coverage health apple sponsored apple not sponsored put it in their little like top or like the editorial section where it's like games that we are. You're absolutely love right now on the MAC APP store. So I'm very thankful for that. I got to look at these. Sales graph to see like the first day of coverage is like ninety nine percent of the sales ninety ninety five percent of the sales. Go down like a rocket and then when apple added to the APPs we love little tiny lump which I appreciate I appreciate it. That lump apple. Thank you so much for that lump because it's better than zero but it just goes to show the you know. The store is not a place where visit people visit every day whereas say say daring. Fireball is a place that people visit every day. So if you're a featuring and daring fireball you'll get way more sales than if you are featured on the MAC APP store and they games James we love section or an ATP. For that matter. Because obviously I was talking about on the show really helped again. Thank you to everyone who bought it. You can buy sponsorships at ATT DOT com slash defence sponsorship sponsorship. You gotta rogue again it's ADP DOT FM slash sponsor. Oh Jeez I never go there. I never have to sponsor the show I can promote my stuff for three all right speaking of your stuff. Have you bought any MAC pro yet. No so last episodes yeah last episode. I mentioned engine that I was having trouble with Mac pro for the first time ever that I was getting noticeable. Fan Noise When when doing things is that just heated up the CPU a little bit? And that I had spent most of the last two years using this computer. Never hearing any bit of the fan at all. And I heard from a couple of other people who who had a similar problem had heard other people having this problem at the time I thought let me just try blowing out the computer. I I assume it's dust impeding the thermals and still tribe. Long it out. So I brought it into the garage very carefully on my lap on the floor with an air compressor and try blowing it out. I you know blowing out into the intake. Take into the exhaust would like blow out the intakes And nothing really came out of it and I try blowing into the intakes themselves at various angles calls and a couple of very small pieces. came out but nowhere near what I was expecting and then I vacuumed the intake holes to kind of finish shop but by obviously you can't really tell what came out of that but it didn't seem like there was a lot of dust in there but I can tell you that before the cleaning the the adult temperature was about ten degrees higher Celsius than after the cleaning. Wow I did a quick little benchmark running cinema bench and looking at the fan. RPM's over time and the pro usually idols eleven hundred RPM. That's when you basically can't hear the fan at all before the cleaning it would be at hat twenty four hundred. RPM By about forty five seconds innocent a bench and after the cleaning forty five seconds and it was still at the idle speed need of eleven hundred RPM and the highest ever got before the cleaning was about two thousand five hundred after cleaning the highest it got was fifteen hundred took doc sixty eight seconds to get that high. Even that's only very slightly audible so I consider it a success. Even though it doesn't appear as a lot of dust actually came out of of it but maybe I just maybe I moved around in there just enough. I don't know maybe there is some dust in just the wrong place. I don't know but whatever it is. It now is significantly better thermal performance and it seems to be either back to normal or close enough to back to normal that I no longer notice set so success. Now it's you need a computer markle access to the inside way bigger holes. Yeah honestly the way bigger holes and more of yeah. That's right. Yeah definitely like the while. I did solve the problem and while I do still love this computer that this moment did make me wish for tower our so I could just like like I have no real access to the inside of this thing unless I do heavy disassembly taking the screen off which. I'm not going to do so. I do wish at that moment. I wish I had a MAC pro instead but that moment alone is not enough to make me actually. Did my set up by AMAC Bro. The popular mechanic articles doc was talking about this. Was The you know exactly how widely spaced the heat sink. Fans are the things in the Mac pro for obviously the holes in the front are big and we talked about them not having a dust screen because they want the fans to be able to run more smoothly and pull the air a very large holes in the front of it not difficult to get through it but then once the air gets into their. I suspect this is what's going on inside your I'm Amac if there are any kind of heat sink fins the closer those fins are together the more able they are to trap dust and get clogged up. Like the fins are really far apart in the Mac pro and AH centimeter apart. You could fit pencil between them like they're not like you'd expect heat sink Vince to be you know sort of stack close together. And that's not like the previous Mac pro or the power Mike you fry. I work very closely spaced fins which I often blew out with compressed air because they really did clog up. So I'm glad you you use the apple and the Two Thousand Ten thousand twenty solution of compressor to fix our computer 'cause like normally if you're designing a heat sing normally you want as many fin thin thinly very thinly spaced fins in the heats as possible so you can get as much surface area as possible for the air to blow over so we can cool as well as possible and so normally you you do design them really close together and I and I don't know how much dust plays into the engineering of these things. But clearly on the new Mac pro they they thought of that. So you know you have these very widely spaced fins on these heat sinks that you do give you know some density of surface area the also have a much longer path for the air to go through total right. That's why the heck can't do. This is the reason it works at all in the MAC pro. Is there like eight inches long each thin right so you can get away with having fewer but it does not a lot of room back there Amex just to get the enough enough surface area to go things. Maybe they need to have the markle's Spessart Surf Royno. Maybe there aren't even nations. They're all heat pipe stuff. I'm not actually. I don't actually recall what's inside that thing but the point is there's not a lot of space in their options are limited. But I was an amazing job on the the cooling system but it seems more vulnerable to dust. We'll see how this MAC pro dozen. How old is your thing three years old now? A little over two and we'll check back in two a year so I can say that I did blow out dust for my two thousand eight Mac pro but never from the CPI us. I was always just blowing off of my third party video card that had its own. GP W. Cooler that just made this terrible dusty in there. I never did took compressed air to the CPU. So I guess they survived us but it wasn't because there wasn't strapped in there. There's plenty any of the dust started to weld to the inside eventually to the attic and Paul McCartney Mac pro you like oh dusty and you run your finger across it and the dust doesn't and move it just like textured metal metal that has been textured but dust man. Do you go up there and cuddle your Mac pro ever or or. Is it good riddance now but I did. I did I picture. I did re factor everything up there. I got rid of a lot of big boxes. Rearrange Stuff We're still working on the addict. There's there's a whole other side there's a gigantic mess. Looks like a bomb. Went off at my side is looking pretty good lately. We respond to this week by health. Iq Now you know what makes a healthy lifestyle. You average eight hours of sleep a night you can eat a nice diet probably plant based Diet you can exercise at least four times times a week. 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There's been a big Brouhaha this this week about cloud backups encryption and apple and whether they really give a darn about privacy or not and as chief summariser and chief I will do my best to summarize gentlemen. Please feel free to interrupt me if I go off the rails. There was a Reuters. Said routers a Reuters Article Just a couple of days ago saying in in summary that apple had planned to do end to end encrypted backups and then either preflight it with the FBI or somehow got the the FBI the FBI got wind of it and the FBI on surprisingly said Nope and then apple didn't about face. Now what is encrypted. Dan mean with that means. This is if if there's a backup of your phone that resides on apple servers but encrypted from the time. It leaves your phone than and I'm deeply deeply oversee oversimplifying to be clear. But anyways if it's encrypted from China leaves your phone with keys that only you have and that means apple would not be able to say crack that backup open in send your messages to the FBI. Now obviously there's good and bad comes of that There's good in that. That's hyper private. It's bad if you are. You are a terrorist or do terrible things and should be investigated for doing those terrible things and there's a lot of different ways to look at this. There's a really good post on strategic strategically this week which I believe is the free post If it was I will put it in the show notes but one way or another. There's a lot of different ways to look at this but there. There's also a lot of debate as to whether or not apple really acquiesced to the FBI or if that story at Reuters was all kind of wrong long in backwards and there was a series of really good posts on daring fireball. About this as well. Is that a reasonable summary again. I know of oversimplified. But I'm trying to do this in less than in sixteen hours. Does that sound about right. Yeah close the reason I put all the during our ball links in there is that the group did a good job of sort of trying to make sense of the various stories all of which could be true at the same time but not really getting the whole picture in particular I think is most salient point. was like the idea that apple would consider consider doing a thing but then go and ask the FBI what they think like not because apple thing is that the wouldn't ask permission but why bother are you know what the FBI opinion do you think they're gonNA. Oh no you're good. Go ahead go do that. You have to ask them to no law enforcement always wants access. There is no situation nation in which this topic would ever come up. In their opinion. It'll be different. So the idea of apple upbringing. His information to them for their opinion or rule is completely ridiculous. US that doesn't change the fact that apple knows their opinion. FBI Probably Express therapy. Dabble many many times. That may have factored into apple's decision. Now the other the articles of the group. I didn't hear about injuries with Tim. Cook from some of them from years ago. Discussing this very thing. Probably related to the previous security blow ups and FBI asking for access to phones or whatever and the suggestion was that you know we're thinking about encrypting doing dennen corruption for your backups. But one of the reasons apple speaking Tim Cook one of the reasons I have been doing. It is because in case. You didn't mention this I think is actually the sounds like corporate BS. But it's actually probably the real thing is that when people don't know their passwords and the date is gone and it's only an apples backups. If apple couldn't wouldn't give them their backups. People would be angry. Even if as suggested you know I'll just make it optional. Like don't make the default but for people who are care about security like let them in Ablett blet. Everybody thinks they're not gonNA forget their password. Right Oh yeah I want the maximum security and then they forget their password and then you know they want to get their data back and they go to an apple store and they say. I don't remember Password. Can you just giving my data. They'd be like sorry we can't like you turned on super duper encryption and the customers will be sad whether or not the customers is are angry. Some of them probably will be angry because people are people but universally there'll be said. Oh those are you know. I've lost all of my data and it's it's not really. Everything is th photo that appear on the web aren't part of this because if there's a web page where you can go to to view your photos and anybody can view them there. It's clear that apple has has the ability to decrypt them. Because they're showing them on a webpage but further stuff for your contacts for your text messages for your notes for anything. Anything that in that apple has their serve any kind of data in of your Iowa's applications. You're really wasn't intended scripted. It would be a customer service and user experience negative and only apple knows the extent of that because they only they know exactly how many times the end up with customers who don't remember their cloud backup password in their phone Celena Lake and they WANNA get a new phone and they say okay whereas all my data like we'll just log him with your apple. ID and they're like. Oh I don't remember that. Well if if apple didn't have the ability to say no problem because you've been doing. I cloud backups. We can get your data back for you. If they didn't have the ability that customers would be sad So I'm not sure what the solution here is. I think the whole government angle is mostly irrelevant. Because we know what the government's we know law enforcement position is and you know we know what Apple's position in general is and I think one of the reasons that apple's physician is not hard line like encrypt the entire world. Is this customer service angle. The other side of it is also apple's probably sick of legally fighting with FBI over this and this that is definitely a factor. But I think to to frame it as has appaled sacrificing your security to appease the government is a simplification does not factoring in like you said what sounds like corporate BS. But I think is is a real thing and the the wild card in Gruber also boasted about his android. The world's most popular mobile operating system or at least if you use Google Services Google Google does offer end to end encrypted backups. I'm sure the FBI hits that they do that too. But it's not as big a new story. Maybe because apple's not involved or whatever so I think eventually apple will probably implement this somehow some way and at least give it as an option but right now it's not it hasn't been for years if you're in the sort of security circles this is not news. I think we talked about on this show last time we talked about the FBI thing that was it was at the San Bernardino shooter. Or whatever the fact that the phones and the device is all encrypted in locked away. But if you've been doing I cloud backup those those are also encrypted but apple. Has the key can give them to you and the stats and the latest thing is like Apple Apple. Does that thousands of times. Like law enforcement asks for backups. And Apple gives it to them because they have like a warrant or whatever like they comply with the law because they have to if apple couldn't comply because they were encrypted then they couldn't comply it'd be a different story and that's what they're fighting over but I we know of the billions of android phones. Not sure how many of them actually use Google Services and use their backup services. So maybe it's a you know a small part but anyway it's it's a complicated topic and and the right thing to do is probably to offer and end encryption. But I kind of understand. Why Apple has been waffling for so many years to do so? Yeah I mean. It's such a complicated topic in practice for so many reasons and a lot of this goes back like we were talking maybe a month or two back about the complexity of apple dealing with China and other big world governments where they have to sell products or they don't necessarily have to but like you basically have to and this is a very. This has a lot of overlap with that of like. We're dealing with not just apple's technical abilities but we're dealing with apple having potentially large clashes with the countries in which they need to cell phones and their own country that they are based in because encryption is really tricky with law enforcement and there's lots of different encryption laws all over the world with kind of encryption is even legal in different parts of the world. There's there's always gonna be this friction between the reality of encryption and law enforcement because as John said law enforcement has a job to do their job is to allegedly solve crimes most of the time And that is what they do but they also have a culture of feeling entitled to everything to any possible thing that might even lead to evidence anything that might maybe contain a little bit of evidence evidence and they really really feel entitled to look through your phone as encryption gets better their ability to do that as going down over time as various security gets gets better as security holes get get patched and hopefully not too many more made it getting harder for them to access what they consider evidence they are entitled entitled to and so of course. They're going to go to the public. They're going to make a stink in public. They're going to try to scare people because throughout all history. It's been a proven strategy that if you want people to give up their freedoms scare them and they will usually give them more easily and so they make all these crazy easy threats in public about how. Oh you're enabling terrorists and all this stuff an hour helping drug dealers and they drum up these these you know big hefty terms and labels and scary things to try to make a case try to convince lawmakers maybe to maybe change the laws are none of this has anything to do with the ED tech. Really it's all political and it's very hard for us as tech commentators to fully understand that world and to be able to really say like Oh. They should definitely do this. They should she definitely not do this. Most of it goes way above our heads. Most of it is happening behind. Closed doors or as part of more complicated strategies that we aren't really thinking of or or knowledgeable about so it's so hard for us to say like they should have performed corruption because if they do offer full encryption they are taking a very big risk that that will provoke the government into making full encryption illegal. And there's lots of reasons why we don't want that because keep in mind also. The legislators are not only people who are incredibly financially bought off for the most part and the law enforcement complex is a very big complex in this country so there there are very powerful lobby. It's also really bad politically to ever show yourself as being soft on crime at all just like again like another like hack. That works with people is like you can't ever. You can't ever ever say politician that you're like being a little bit soft left on what criminals can do. So the reality is we're at a very very dangerous point where we're very close to this kind of encryption becoming illegal and to even even the US the country that allegedly has freedoms asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk. Even we are very probably very close to out long. This kind precaution. At all and to requiring companies like apple to build and back doors for our law enforcement agencies so they can spy on Brown people across the border. So it's it's so complicated. So I can I. I know that apple usually has their head on straight with matters like this even if they're doing things that we see as unpopular or even if even when they're doing things that we see as capitulating necessarily to an oppressive government whether it's somebody else's else's or hours but in the long run. In retrospect we can look back on what they've done and usually we can say okay. That was probably the right move at the time so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to stuff like this most of the time that if they've made a decision that doesn't seem quite right to me in this arena in the area of like dealing with big governments. Basically they probably had good reason to do it or they didn't have a choice and we can complain all we want about that. We should because the reality is our freedoms are getting eroded at an alarming rate But that's it's not really apples fault and there are much bigger issues in our own society and government needs to be addressed. That's where the real problem is and if apple is being forced to really tow a line here. It's probably not apple's fault are you just being an apologist. Yeah you know me. I'm known for never criticizing apple her. I'm like you said it's so tough and I'm so torn Horn and and it turns out I was looking at the strategic. Re piece is not free For this week which is Kinda bad because it's a really really good piece and the the gist of it without doing near as good a job as bended is that. Hey there's there's many different ways to look at this and you know there's compelling arguments on every side of it like I could make compelling argument that nobody should be able to use encryption in case you are doing something naughty. Because I'm not doing anything naughty. Okay you can make that argument for that fine fine fine fine. I just take my point is that you know I can. I can see reasons. Why one would desire for less encryption? I don't agree with them but I can see the reasons. Why terrible reasons by Margot said like he was saying fear but it's like an appeal to emotion all the logical fallacies you can think of things that motivate people to who argue for dumb things like no encryption anywhere but I think the market was really getting to the heart of it? It's like it's it's doing something less than the absolute right thing as a long term strategic play to prevent even worse things from happening which unfortunately in this country in particular were in a precarious situation as like you. You should really be playing the long game a little bit and saying I can't make a moment to moment decision of always doing the right thing because it has a high chance insuring a much worse calamity in the very near future if I do like in some respects when when slash if our our actual United States government was functioning in a reasonable way each issue the the sort of parties involved in any sort of governmental issue should be. It's like the pro workflow group and should be lobbying from their position. Law enforcement should be doing everything they can to get every scrap of evidence. That's their job. They should try as hard as they can within the bounds of the law. They're always going to want more data they're always gonNa want like that is their interest like that's what they're supposed to do. There has to be a countervailing force but is okay on the other hand. People have rights and they elect representatives to protect those rights so as strongly as law enforcement try to get all the data and personal information people equally strongly our laws and representatives should be protecting the right so the people from the overreach of law enforcement. That's how it's post the work like two groups with different interests like lobby. You know coming together balancing each other checking each other's power right in this country right now. Checking each other's power is not working quite the way it's supposed sue so we're in a dangerous situation where things could go downhill very fast And so in this situation you know and again companies want to make as much money as they can protect their data from the government. You know like be be able to make pitch like apples and we are the privacy company will protect your data because that's helps them sell more devices and not all like they have. Apple has interest as well if apple were to lobby a strongest possible for its interests saying we are going to end to end encrypt the entire world and middle finger to the government because the system of balances of the government itself is not an healthy state. Right now that could very easily tip things and so I feel like you know. This is not more fearmongers. Oh if apple endon scripts that means. They'll outlaw encryption. I don't think that's true at all right. All I'm saying is that it's not a slam dunk to say. Oh it's obvious. Apple should just say screw. The government and encrypt gripped everything immediately right because there are potential consequences to that and it's worth at least considering them now. I think my personal opinion is yes. Absolute apple should absolutely and then gripped everything they they should the government be mad. They should do it in a tactful way. They should have done years ago named me waiting. Google already did. Apple should have already done it. That's my personal opinion but I do understand that every point when apple had to make that decision thinking about even if it was years ago right thinking thinking that like there's the customer service tangle and also as one of the the sources and routers address I always say routers registry said. Didn't WanNa poke the bear. It's like we just got through this big fight with the government we do have to deal with. Government is the worst corporate slime. It's like oh well so you're gonNA screw your customers because you want a easier relationship with the government so you can make more money. That's mostly mostly true but there are other angles to that exact thing that I just said that are slightly more altruistic than the most cynical possible angle so in this case I I think apple did make the wrong call many times over and continues to make their own call but not by a huge amount right so I have a grow tired of people who were like stridently. Pardon me like who really believe that you know companies like this or you know whoever is it in this kind of conflict the government should always be taking the hardest of hardline. Impositions if you are one micron off of the Absolute Harlem position. You're dead to me. That is a more reasonable position to take. Ah when the system that we're all sort of playing in the game rules and like the sort of balance of powers and structure of the game. Rules is such that that is a reasonable thing to we do. But we're not anywhere close to that right now and hardline position in one or two areas can very quickly lead to worse things and again. I don't WanNa be fear mongering about that. I just think that's the thinking thinking that is factored into Apple's decision to essentially do the wrong thing multiple times over by a small amount and that's the before getting even getting into like okay. Well then apple has products has to apple does sell products across the entire world and everyone else has different encryption laws. And how do you deal with that. It's complicated it makes you do not want to be the CEO of Apple. You know setting aside having to stand next to trump and a MAC pro factory and just the pressing episode. Who brought this topic in the news and I have much more of a problem with that Mac pro factory thing than I do and and the whole thing with the tariffs like it's one thing if apple's apple's trying to just make more money off of tariff bs like or not up as much taxes? Yeah I have absolutely zero respect for Tim. Cook on on those fronts. None whatsoever but when it comes to standing ground on things like privacy and encryption. He's doing a pretty good job. And so when it comes to stuff like this I do have to give him the benefit of the doubt that yeah if it's about tariffs and ways that weighs the apple can either worksheet the tax system to make more money even though and cheat is a loaded word because what corporations do but if apple can you know loophole the tax system to make more money or avoid tariffs that many other companies have to pay like. That's just slimy and I have zero respect for how much effort Tim Cook seems to be putting into things like that but privacy stuff. It's pretty solid and I do give him credit for having a lot of credibility on that front they. You probably have their reasons. For the decision. They make or don't make around encryption and privacy and the way in interact with governments. I would also say like I. You know we're we're focusing a lot of government angle here. Don't forget the customer service angle on this as well because I think that's bigger than people realize people do forget their passwords all the time I and need apples help to get back into their stuff all the time and as we lock down security better with things to factor and encryption we we do cut off avenues for people to have a way out and we try to tell people. Okay here's some recovery codes or have. I cloud recovery enabled for certain things whatever but the reality is we've heard from people who work in apple stores all the time that like it's heartbreaking. How many people come in and cannot get their data recovered and lose? Is there pictures of their children. Whatever because they forgot a password and they're locked out of everything in a way that apple can't help them recover it? That happens all the time every single single day probably in every apple store in the world and so indeed yeah right and so that is such a huge factor. It wouldn't surprise me if that's a major factor in apple to decision making in this area just to leave them out because if they didn't have that out how many more people people every day would have that horrible outcome. I think that's exactly right. I actually finally got around to replacing my iphone. Eleven pro that if you recall shattered attard within like twelve hours of receiving it and I was at the genius bar was a Tuesday. I believe and I was kind of listening to what was going on as I was waiting. I'm for restore to have to go onto the phone in just generally killing time and I even spoke to the genius I was working with and you know the genius I was working with. They had said that. Oh you know this happens because I'd asked you know do you. Do you have to break hearts often. I forget that I don't think I phrased it that way. Basically you know. How often do you have to deal with people who have lost their photos forever and the genius happens a lot and it breaks my heart every time and this is why I constantly tell people you know you got to have backups? Backups in Said said the genius and as I'm watching the different discussions happen around me. It was clear that pretty much nobody that was there. I was excited to be there. which isn't really surprising? But at least half if not three quarters of the people that I saw were dealing with potential data loss problems and they were devastated. Aided because of it and I don't know I didn't hear any like specific sob stories about wedding pictures of baby pictures or anything like that but it's not a hard thing to imagine in. Yeah I think you're exactly right Marco that I would be stunned. If apple made this end end encryption the default if it happens at all would be stunned if they made it the default for EXAC- that reason for customer service reasons because you know that leaves all of the responsibility of the customer and when you're a company as big as apple I would wager that that a lot of your customers are probably not as I'm trying to find. It worked better than smart responsible as they shut. No it's not and it isn't about intelligence people people screw up. No one's perfect like we screw up to everyone screws up and it's it's nice when you screw up really badly. It's nice when somebody he can come in and save your ass and if you don't leave a way for that to happen you you're playing with fire and if you have security concerns. He's like even with apple stuff in its current state. You know. Don't do backup like you can turn off cloud backup. And then your device will be your device and the only place where your stuff visit unless you backup. Luckily to your computer which you can still do in Catalina through the fine during Yada Yada like if you are super security conscious apple still does give you the tools to do what you want. But I think You know and speaking of customers being said at the apple store has lost stuff. The introduction of I clawed backups made that better both because people had the ability to have the pictures someplace other than just on their phone which was a failure mode before I cloud backup or someone be like. Oh my phone broke while wearing my pictures. Can you get them off. The phones like the broken. Oh confound the phone the bottom of the lake not really right so introducing I cloud backup really help with that because it would put them on a server and for the people who did remember the password that you could just get them off the server if you don't you remember your passwords apple could still get them off this over because they had the ability to decrypt it because they had the key for it or whatever but if apple really wants to make fewer said customers. We've talked about this a million times. More space for backups. I don't know how many people who I don't want to enable cloud backups because it'll fill up because I have too many photos or whatever yeah and it was like we'll just pay a couple couple of bucks a month people don't WanNa pay for backspace so fewer people do. I cloud backups. Therefore more people have the potential to lose data if they dropped their phone in a lake. Because it isn't backed up independent of remembering or forgetting your password. 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Notes is something that I don't entirely understand but I know there's a good story and the next line item in the show. Notes is as follows quote Ex Code Layout Hell and quote John. I presume this is you. And you've had some bad experiences with sex code as a companion to you. Don't just fall by them. About how foreign center is doing. So I have been in echoed during development. I've I've done ten releases a friend center in the past two weeks which is how many. Yeah that's what and that's all going through the APP store. Yeah yeah the MAC. APPS are as a lot of traffic going through although the last the very last update did take several days and then the took like forty eight hours to propagate too so it was really long all right so I always thinking like Oh maybe they. Do you know the thing to do. Lots of companies do this. Where like your first? Whatever your first widget from the widget company comes through really fast to make you have a good impression of the company right like they prioritize new customers in their first widget or whatever ever their thing is I was like? Oh we'll probably on your first mission to the APP store and you jump to the front of the queue so you have a positive thing but then as I did my second and third. I'm like well eventually GONNA get throttled breath like am. I getting it on a blacklist. This put that new release every day. Put Him in. The back of the queue I don't know I don't know the answer that question I you know I think I praised it in the last last episode Mike Review Times have continued to be very good granted. My APP is incredibly simple right. So it's not requiring lots of deep scholarship to figure out whether it should be approved or not but the redundant fast anyway. I put out ten releases. That's too many again more rookie mistakes. Hey how about you just get it right before you put it out. I know but like I'm part of it is mindset having never put anything on an APP store that's mediated by a company before I'm in the mindset of like you know service I developed you can just you can to deploy five times a day like used to like unders used to the idea of sort of iterative development and of course you can always be a little bit better and as soon as you have a improvement proved you put out that small improvement to you know because why sit on small prove the reason you sit on it because it's APP review takes a long time. If you spend your whole time waiting forever view you know anyway Roy I need to get an in different mindset for doing so the APP store and just chill a little bit work more on the thing before I released the first version and then maybe batch catch the updates and more. It's difficult because like the first one. This is a bunch of bug reports and things that are critical to get out and stuff like that but anyway all this to say I've been spending a lot of title x code and this is the first time I've actually used ExCo to anger to do anything real under any kind of pressure like Oh there's a bug and to get fixed and figure out silence mm-hmm and surprisingly of all the new experiences of using sort of modern echoed we're glass tummy used it interfaced separate and the major last time used before that it was called it was called project Taylor swift stuff and we talked about that before but like of all the things I didn't think would be drive me nuts. It is laying out the controls trolls in my one stupid window. My dingy little application. It's like a couple of pop up menus labels check boxes in some texts like that's it and having played with Exco it'd be four and play with interface builder and seen a million. WBZ things like Oh you just drag the controls that cool little palate and there's all sorts of grids and snapping and it'll just put dementia your view and you're you're good to go. That has not been my experience of using exe code like I the layout I want to achieve. I feel like I can achieve more easily in Photoshop. Illustrator than I can ex- code part of his lack of much complained about because you know there's little tiny honey retina pixels and there's no way to actually zoom in an the x code interface. Builder thing on the Mac apparently IOS you can zoom but on the MAC. So I've been using the screen screen. Zoom control now spiel or whatever But that just makes the Pixel Chunky or whatever but really. It's like apple has i. I'm you know sifting through the rubble of every layout system that introduced over the past several years. And they're all available at the same time and you can mix them together which you should not do so took me off. Learn that unless like do not mix springs and struts auto. Because you'll drive yourself insane. The idea of a whizzy wig editor. Hey just put the controls where you want and then window right and then you run the application and your controls all over the place. It's like what's the point of whizzy wig the controls gonNA shoot off off some other direction like it's not there in the thing like. Oh Aw drive me insane. And then once eventually resigned myself to sit look stop trying to be fancy. The old ways are best. This window is not sizable pixel perfectly perfectly place. Every control and just never had moved even doing that is driving me insane because like Oh what if you wanna add another control. I'll just make the window taller and put the new control. All when I visit auto are recited the sub uses on somewhere. Because it's dragging something. Now get through the thing. Turn off all the springs and struts and everything and then and they're trying to line stuff up there guides and ex code like there's also grit snapping. There's also guide snapping and there's also snapping controls trying to give you the proper spacing between things trying to let you align the baselines of text but then being off by a half a point right like one retina pixel and then I gotta go in there and put put fractional numbers in the positions and text fields ten point five instead of ten. Because they're not lined up even though the guide snapping says they're going to be like Oh my God. This should be so much easier like this should be like a grid she'd be like snap snap snap snap like everything should be chunky. Gigantic six sixteen by sixteen point grids or whatever it should be impossible for things to be off by one pixel but it's not only not impossible. It's practically impossible not to have if things off by one or two pixels and I just want to do things like this same distance is that like. I wish I was an Omni graph which photoshop. I wish I was in illustrate. I wish it was an any other application that lets me. Put things on a campus in a line. Them in some sane way of Hell is X.. Coast Increase Bill. This is one window one tiny little St. I granted I'm terrible this. I'm bad at this. I'm a beginner a novice. I don't know what I'm doing a fundamental MISUNDERSTA. How things are supposed to work but not entirely ignorant and I feel like the thing? I'm trying to do getting back to the sweating. Easy thing should be easy. What I'm doing is an easy thing? This is not a fancy programs. Got One stupid window with some controls in it. It should be so easy to do the right thing and get a correctly laid out window there. There are places where you have to make decisions about you know subjective aesthetic or whatever but in general it should be impossible to have things like one pixel off misaligned because you sneezed when you were trying to move something so I really struggling with that struggling to the point where I've got X.. SCOPE which by the way is amazing application from icon factory to lets you sort of overlay on your screen. Rulers guides and frames and all sorts of I think I'm their zoomed in with Exco lining up everything single thing by by single retina pixels. Making sure okay. I'm going to send us to the APP store. Or all the frigging Coghlan's lined up on my labels of the hairline. I gotTA move it. Back are the baselines. All this one's alive but that was not. How is that possible these things exactly this number of points away from from each other and how many points is supposed to be? I don't know but when I drag it. I see the little guide and it snaps that but sometimes it doesn't show the guide so when it doesn't show the God have to measure the other gap and say the guy was visible. It should be this far apart so this is one do three or four five six seven eight retina pixels. Let me move at eight random pixels down here up. You can't use the Arrow keys that because it doesn't do the Half Pixel drive me insane saying I don't know how anybody does any substantial application with extraordinary spill. Oh you can just do it on code and then you put the exact values into. Why are you bothering with the builder and I tried that? Approach approach few things like. I've tried a lot of things the spoiler for for the future. I'm already working on my next application and so I I tried doing it. Programmatic try doing without a layout a dry dealing with springs and struts. Try and do it was fifty two. I like a sampling everything to see if anything is easier but the the spar again caveat. I'm bad at this I'm a beginner. I don't know what I'm doing but it should be. It should be easier to do these simple things so I am. The overall thing is I was surprised at this is the thing of all of all the things making an APP and Apps so review and swift and all the Ab is of all the stuff it is laying out the miniscule gooey in my tiny trivial applications. It's driving me up a wall. I hate to tell you but it doesn't actually get easier the more you're like the opposite of the Ad Campaign and Marco arm and it doesn't get better no it really when it comes to like using apple's various layout systems try to make correctly looking interfaces without that much effort it actually doesn't get better it's you trade you trade in one hell for a different in hell. I'm not doing anything. Fancy I've no custom controls. Yeah but it isn't about that even like custom controls. Don't actually that much harder. It's like you have a tremendous amount out of legacy. You have a tremendous amount of complexity and you have you is that are used by people who are mostly experts in them And therefore rather they design people who are most experts in them and so it's very unintuitive to begin first of all as you as you have found already but auto layout is extremely complicated the interface for making auto layout constraints and dealing with them. Next code is hilariously obtuse although so is the rest of interface builder and don't even try to object to that like. I know how to use the gooey. Now I know how to use it. Auto land at self is inscrutable but the the Ui for doing it can be figured out. It's just not obvious but it is not it's not so there's all right then then you also have the problems of first first of all you have these many different systems. That all have different behaviors. So you have the old auto resizing masks spring since Rustam then you have auto layout then. Now you're doing swift. You are because its own brand new thing which is both completely different and also incredibly immature still so many different problems that your like juggling between these three the different systems none of them are great and people have such different opinions. That like whatever I think Casey thinks is probably gonna be different than what you think John like for me. I do everything code for the most part. That's not great either. It just has downsides that. I'm willing to tolerate more the alternatives downsides. Yeah see I feel like I'll let me let me start by saying I've never done anything on the never written anything for the Mac. So Oh I can't speak to your particular foibles when it comes to writing Mac. Os software but like vignette uses storyboards. And I've survived survived like it's fine US auto layout and it mostly works just fine and yeah I mean it's weird man. It really is but I don't think it's entirely inscrutable as with all things apple lately like the documentations hot garbage. And it's very the unapproachable. I don't think it's inscrutable. Though and I agree that interface builder is very I. Keep I mean obviously not interface builder anymore but laying out an IOS. APP is very weird. I wouldn't say it's hard necessarily but it's very very weird and and the way that I be does things is very unlike any other visual sort of designer of used in the past and there are definitely times that things are are hard understand or I get error messages that I can't really make heads or tails of like those things all do exist. I'm not saying you're completely wrong or full of crap like your lived experience. Orient is factually. Your lived experience. But I I don't I get the feeling up until what Marco said just a moment ago. I got the feeling that you're both saying that. IB is hot. Garbage in his unusable. And I I don't think that's really the case. It's it's got its onset of Trade Offs Marco. I like what you said a moment ago about how you do everything in Code but that also does does indeed have its own set of trade offs. And that's fine. If that works for you then stick to it. You don't need you. Don't even permission to keep doing that. And you certainly don't need me guilt you into using. Ib for me. I like laying out these things visually and it's easier for me to reason about visually than to do it in code and I have also found that it is much easier to tolerate when you either heavy extremely small team or a team of one And so so like when we were at were when I was at work when I had an actual real hub. I eventually got to the point that we were passing. Around some sort of Trinket Trinket I forget what it was to claim who was using the story board or the or whatever you know nip at the time which is absolutely barbaric. I mean it was like using exclusive. WHO's check out some per force way back in the day which is also barbaric if he asked me? But that's what we needed to do. So yeah I'm not saying interface builders perfect but I also don't think that it's it's a complete utter disaster at least with Ios again. I'm not trying to argue with you. John About Mac. Os Mac Os may indeed be that bad of a disaster but it works for me. It's not perfect but it works for me. I mean it's not it's not completely worthless I think Iowa's has has a lot easier. Yes I completely agree with that. It is it's significantly harder to make a weleda interface on the Mac than it is on IOS. Because for lots of reasons. I mean the Mac is just more complicated for like. There's way more are you. I usually to a Mac. IOS APPs tend to have significantly less. Ui there are fewer standards. That you're supposed to comply with on making making AMAC is making a great Mac. Ui is significantly heart of a great is your or even just a reasonable looking. Here's the thing about the MAC versus Iowa's in on the Mac back. You have this giant blank canvas. That is a window that can be any size any shape and you could put a billion things on them and you can put them anywhere like. There's really really no precedent for that in Iowa. Because in general your first of all usually full screen or has- Greener quarter screen or whatever and you're using controls and things that essentially really define bounding boxes for themselves. You gotta table view table. You has rose within the row. Maybe you have some freedom to lay things out. But it's like a thing on the right and a thing on the left and you can align them and you can have padding and that's about it and then is incredibly constrained compared to. Here's a gigantic gray window. Throw these nine hundred controls on them. And that's what you really need a tool to help you all right. What should the margins be on this? Show how far away should a label from its pop up and you watch it the minute be how much space between the if you have to group them. How do you agree with him? The white space or you you group them with the bounding box if you make a bounding box everything in that view or it should not be necessarily once. They're nested in multiple views. Can you align things. They're supposed to be aligned. If you're in a good Mac design things in these little little gray boxes should be aligned with each other like the label lineup. But you can't actually line them with the tool because you can't command click or shift click items that are in different bounded views that you could take them out of the US but then every time you try to move them. They re themselves into the view. It's like the tools are not helping and you really need help from the tools. Because you don't have help from the controls themselves they're not the things necessary inside each other and they don't tend to go from edge to edge and define regions or whatever that Iowa designed it easy because Iowa zone weird set of problems with device ice orientational changes in different sizes and things. You can't control or whatever but in general the controls on the MAC. It's like just a bunch of legos. Dumped them out onto a carpet. And it's like make sense of that and that is where you really need the tools to help you and the tools aren't really fighting me but they're not doing me any favors. That's why I'm using accessibility. The screen zoom an ex scope to get in there and zoom and again. If I've heard that story boards in Iowa you can actually zoom in Echo. which would really help? When you're trying to get things lined up but but even with that zoom like I guess what the the grouping that's a real thing that I'm doing because even in my swift you I I I was? I've you know I have Windows that I was starting to do with you. I was like how the hell do you do. Regular controls and swift you. I and I was like Oh. I'll just do this on the old fashioned way so I have with you a Aniston boredom this new application and for the story board based view. I do actually have a bunch of controls that had decided to group sort of. I don't know what they're called but like these boxes little. You've recess darker gray regions that you're familiar with on the MAC like if you go into. I'm looking at right now. And System preferences in the extensions pain there's a sort of source list on the left is like table view of scrolling table view. And the right. There's a detailed view and that sort of recessed in little well and I wanted to group that controls in those boxes. But once if you do that. You can't use the alignment tools and ex code to align things across those boxes so you have to use a guide but then when you put the Guidon how'd how do you place the guide so that it is correctly positioned so that the thing you already know you snap to the right distance from the field like how do you place the guide so that it is in place place for the first set of items because you can put the guide and I bought it but then when you try to move the thing oh actually it. That guide is one picks law for. It's supposed to be because the thing just moved and it shouldn't have moved because it was already aligned and it's not helping me as much as I feel like it could. That's all I'm saying I think in many ways I if it goes the way it's it's supposed to according to plan swift you. I should really help. This is a whole other show about do I let me tell you. Oh I'm ready. My Body Body is ready. Let's do it. It should in theory provide more like standard groupings standard layouts for controls across the platforms forms including the Mac. And that I think is what we're really lacking is like Khan as you mentioned like the controls basically doing a lot of this work themselves with swifty y if if officials the promise. I think you should have significantly less of this work to do manually. That being said that's a really big. If I'm going to go I went to all this thing now. But if you go go to my website gotTa hypercritical Co and look. I keep updating as I released new versions of center I keep updating the screen shot on the website so it keeps you know being on the screen shot you see. There is the current version. So look at that dialogue right or you can just launch center. Which I know you're all running preferences right? I bought it but I'm not running normally. Yeah anyway if you look at this and think about Margarethe said about swift you I like the these controls come with canned and metrics and that it there you know there's some cross platform nature. We'll put the right control for the right thing. There's nothing as far as I'm aware so far in swift you. I would would help with a window like this because this window I think is I mean. It's not perfect not great. It's I mean it's overwhelming because I had to have all explanatory texts that that's the fault to my application. It's not the fault of Mexico to me making applications hard to explain. So you've got to be all ready and set that aside just imagine it was two tabs to pop up menus for check boxes like forget about all the other crap trying to swift doesn't give you anything that will help you. Lay Out these controls in a MAC like way. Because because there's seventeen Mac likewise can lay out these controls and the one I've chosen is partly. This is part of the things it's partly aesthetics is partly like artistry which sounds Highfalutin. But it's like there are tons of different ways to do it. You are sort of expressing the personality of your application and and by extension yourself in what you decide to do. There is no generic standard way to lay out these controls because they're not just controls they have semantics in your applications you have to sort of try to provide some kind of visual hierarchy that expresses the the meaning of the controls to the user. I don't think that not only do you. I would help me out this. I don't think I could lay it out in this sway with fifty wi without a ton of work. I'm using with you. I am a new APP for its strengths. are like when you use a lot like doing web development. That's right it's more feels more like that feels like using CSS right right down to like dot padding or whatever and then alignments and h stacks and stacks. You know it. It is very much like doing web work where the web in general you sort of define these regions and then you style them. And it's you know h Dax v Stacks and lists and texts however are like doc or like those other things right. It's like you just tell me what the elements are and then you can style them but that like if I had to make a web page look like this dialogue it would also be a little bit tricky because things really are sort of lined up down to the Pixel based Estan spacing visual wait. I mean I'm not particularly happy with the result it's too busy. Sure about those lines of spacing mess but at this point. I just don't ever want to touch again because any time I touch anything everything just cascades giant mess and everything's misaligned and terrified of this stupid thing like for example this spacey the interface and startup regions of check boxes. I wanted them to be separate. Because they're kind of two separate things one of them's about hunting and showing icons the other one is like. What do I do when I start up? How much space should there be between those two sets of check boxes? Does anybody know I can tell you for a fact Exco insurance all doesn't know any guys like if you want to have a space there. How much space you want you can choose it down to the retina? Pixel how much space do you want. God forbid you have multiple groups because then they should all be space by the same amount. Can you do that next. Coat have funds zooming in and trying to make sure that the same space like the tools for sort of laying out groups like this is not. They don't doesn't do it for you. GotTa do this yourself down to the Pixel against swift you. I doing it if I spent a lot of time. Wandering through the preferences dialogues like every application on my Mac third party end I party. There is a huge food variety out there like is an expression of personality application. The comes through in the way they lay out their preferences. And sometimes you can look at it by age you go through system preferences you can date them by like. Oh I remember when this was the way we used to do. maquis is like this hasn't been touched in five years. UNTOUCHED BEEN in seven years. You know it's you can really feel that if you're familiar with the way things done but then you like how should I be doing it now. And that's kind of like asking questions. Like what kind of song should I be making. Now what's good. What's good music now? It's like well that's up to you to do like you. There is no like I just wanted to know how to make a song song like. What's how are people making songs today? Like the same thing with APPs right. I just feel like the tools should at least sort of help. You sort of align your. I'm trying to go an audio analogy to align all of your various tracks and you know what I mean like a lot of doesn't make the song for you you but it makes it easy to have multiple tracks and cut an remove things from them and line them up and like. I'm I'm hoping I'm damage during lunch. Money with that's what you want the tool to to do the tools not making the song for you but tool is letting you sort of know. Can I make a one second gap between these things and can always be one second. Yeah because the tool has a way for you to do that. It's a little bit different in you know. There are standards for a standard spacing of stuff like for example the distance that the label is from the check. Box Exco Exco does that for me. I don't have to guess that right. The distance from the label to the to the left side label ESCO. It has a snap for that but it has snapped all around there. Because as you can't zoom like am I align with the baseline of texture in my line with the bottom of the check box there about one picks lower each other. Make sure your line with the right one. It's just very sort of persnickety eighty so I mean this is all this is after element is hard surprise. person who doesn't do APP development finds it difficult surprise like this is not you know. It's not a condemnation Asian or anything other than just myself and my my poor choices and not learning. That'd be where I started using it but yeah APP development is hard and I'm I'm surprised. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised because the programing part programming for twenty mumble years right got programming programming finding the right. API's in fighting a sandbox and stuff like that. It's a little bit tricky but in the end it's not much different than fighting with like you know browser. API's and all the other stuff that I've done to. My actual career programming is program but Gustaf and having to use tools and having decide. Do I want to do a programmatic. Don't want to you. I do on a US oil springs and stress. I don't want to throw up. A Web. View like people make all sorts of decisions and their allegations for good of rail. And so I'm kind of maybe I've gone have gone off the deep end where I have the ability to do all of those things badly and I'm taking a tour of all of them and just finding they're all bad or then I'm bad at them as usual. The hardest problem in computer science are choosing your gooey framework fighting your tools and visual design so true speaking visual design. Why is there or crossbeam between the two tabs and that is not this is the great thing one of the I get a lot of you know having gaps in the ending bug reports and not being able to execute way? The customer wanted the bug reports. I got was I. Click on the TAB. There's a General Tab Excludes Click on the TAB and nothing happens that was they didn't even. Yeah Yeah I click on it happened. It doesn't work or something like that. It was very as you imagine very terse thing thing is that control that Taveuni control first of all is inscrutable to to be able to. I didn't even go into the but it's very difficult to get that to work. But that's a control like you. Just make that and you add taps do it. I have zero amount of code. I'm not controlling that. You can in programmatic tab group control yourself. But I'm not I'm using the widget from you. Know from the Little Library and interface builder. It does that I can change the animation mation to be on or off or whatever just left the default so that fade you see is really action. Yeah no way I didn't I didn't like there's a check box to turn it off in. There's like a pop up menu to pick what kind of ratio but what pretty sure. That's just the default I sure as hell didn't seek it out and add it so zoomed you did seek it out because I can't recall ever seen this across the I mean I'm sure it exists somewhere but I cannot recall ever seeing this cross vate anywhere. Yeah it's weird but anyway I'm not controlling that so when they say click on excluded. It doesn't work it's like I didn't. I didn't make that work. That's part of the control but now the thing thing that drives me nuts about this with storyboards is so you've got the window in the story board right and then you've got the view which is a second rectangle but the line coming from starbucks view. Then you've got another line from that from that view box to the tab control but shows the tabs and then you've got two lines is coming from that one for the contents of the left had but one. That's a lot of boxes for everything that's going to be a single window. The thing that was driving me nuts is when I click from the left tab to the right tab. I don't want anything to move in particular. I don't want the tabs that I just clicked onto move so you have to have to make the views so the exactly fit in the same size box. So is that when you switch from one tab of the tabs don't move and the gray the darker grey rectangle the inset thing also doesn't move when you change hats. I must have spent hours doing that because they didn't understand. What is it that this determining the size of these things you can control them down to the Pixel Exco I had them down to the pixel matching but then they started started measuring them when I ran it? I'm like yeah I have everything down to the Pixel mashing but when I run it. It's like three pixels different. So what what is determining the size thing and ignorance on my part like but but surprising to me that you would think. Oh see this window. You've seen this screen shot. That's exactly what you see you next code right. Nope that is not what I see next couple next coat. Is this big giant and sprawling thing and storyboards lines between them and none of those boxes are the same size as the boxer senior screen. Right here it's not non non obvious. Let's say he should be easy. and Ex Code. Easy things are possible. I think the one of the bigger challenges also that you have here it talking about earlier is like you're trying to make quote like a correct looking Mac interface. Basically like you're trying to make like a A the right style using the right spacing using the right controls for things but in practice that is kind of poorly defined wind like an Iowa. It's all over the place but it always has been so it's kind of okay the Mac I mac enthusiasts like us have this idea in our head of like what like what a MAC APP should be your. What's a good Macapa? What's like a native Mac APP style? What should a song sound like? That's the idea we had What should we? We know we know when we hear a good song. We know we're here in a bad song. We know when we hear an old song. We know we're here a new song but it's very difficult to say how. Well how do I make a song right right. And when it comes to making a quote Mac like Mac Apple a native MAC APP. We we have this idea of like the kind of things things it should have. The kind of weight should look but all these little details most of them are not CODA fight anywhere. Most of them are not in The Hague. They're not like there's no standard standard everyone kind of just fusses around and does what they think might look right. And there's the secondary but significant problem of not only are are the number of developers who make good quality of Mac APPs seemingly pretty small. But that number seems to be going down over time not up and so you look around like Apple. Can't make a great map to save their lives anymore and it's kind of it's getting getting more and more rare to see anybody else either. Meanwhile you have a lot of maps coming out that are just total random garbage or just basically web APPs of their wrapped in a Ui or something like that that just throw away any concept there possibly being like a right way to do these things like of of all the APPs that we use every day like how many of them are actually quote. Good Mac APPs I I all three of us have skype open right now. at at least two or three of US probably have chrome open right now We have slack open. There's like how many of these apps have anywhere near what you would call a good Mac interface like it. It's getting increasingly rare. That like this is going to become one of those lost skills that there's just very few people left not not only doing this but who even will know how to do this. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's there's Mac like which you mentioned like that that you don't have metrics for all the stuff in the The Hague just tells you stuff but the original aqua hig had metrics for like everything down to the Pixel missile because that was before points in pixels but they had it was very. I wish I had an old copy of it. Maybe I do somewhere but it would give you show you dialogues. If like this is how far the okay but needs to be from left to right this is why did it should be. This is how much white space there should be around the labels on buttons. So far the button should be from each other like this where the text should be. This is where the country was like nail down for the basics. Anyway not for complicated window like this and I don't even think of the original lago human guidelines lead Joe far apart. The check box would be an Unin- in classic Mac. Os there were fewer controls and it was simpler on your options. Were fewer in the end. They did define the metrics more precisely but on the Mac today there are the quote unquote Mac like maps which is just totally drifting target as you noted but then there are other applications that bring their own thing thing like slack and other applications say we are yeah we're quote unquote native applications but what we're basically bringing is a web style. Ui and the web has has on us with which I am very familiar and bringing that on the Mac doesn't feel Mac like but at least one of those applications I feel I feel the groove that song genre like Okay Your Web. Ui I get it. I use web you is. Are you good web you IRA bag. I'm not confused into thinking you're a Mac. Ui but you're like web like things like chrome or like well. You're not really web like you're not really Mac like your your own weird thing and then there are things like you know. Speaking of good AMAC application solve us are probably running right now audio hijack. There's there's nothing in The Hague that's GonNa let you make audio hijack that's an example of saying we have a problem that we think we can solve with an interface that is undreamt of by Apple. And that's an example of. How do you write the song? Like sometimes no one's giving you any guidance you've just gotTa make up your own thing and if you do it really well you get something like audio hijack which we use and we would say feels quarter Cormac Mac like but I don't know if there's any standard controls the entire application right so it just goes to show that you don't have to use standard controls at Stanford spacing standard fonts and all that stuff to be Mac. act like like it really is more abstract map. But I totally agree that you mentioned going through system preferences in being able to date the the time that you I was made by how how it looks right. That the modern face of like canonical apple Mac applications canonical MAC applications. That apple apple has hasn't been the standard bearer for that for years like there are still great Mac APPs I think safari is greater than act. But that's not a new application the new applications that we have recently. Are you know. Stocks and voice memos in these catalysts APPs. And they're not good MAC applications they're not good. IOS applications. They're just not really good. Applications period career rights of existing applications like notes. Application is good but it is more like audio hijack than it is like safari in terms of making up its own. Ui So really like that center. That used to be there so center of like Apple's bundled applications show you what a MAC APP should be like may may be simple text editing mail safari finder but here it is and look at them altogether. They have a family resemblance. Looks like Mac APPS and they're kind of the standard. They're just kind of like you know if you made it an Iowa sap in the old days with just apple standard controls everywhere with the standard spacing and everything you look at it and you say well it's not. It's not not anything to look at but I look about a no that is the beating heart of irs then branch off from there that doesn't really exist in the knack anymore. Apple is not it doing anything to sort of bring it back. I think maybe the peak of that was like when apple is making the ile-ife applications. Here's a sweet a fairly complicated applications that take the standard apple. Take Standard Mac design flavor and riff on it a little bit because they use custom in for all of us all sorts of weird stuff but they defined a sort of. Here's what Matt Kaplan. Ah absolute like that even if it was a giant brushed metal windows and have a bunch of glossy buttons on them that was the thing for a while and apple had many examples of it. And if you wanted to make an application and looked Mac like during that era you could pull every application in Iowa. Look at every single window and look at them and say make looks like that and you will fit it in on the Mac today. If you go to a modern Mac there no set of APP obligations that you can open incur ball of and make something that looks like the Mac. You'll you'll be like these are all made by the same company in the same mm-hmm decade like seriously go look at the preference dialog boxes from like seven I party applications from apple and compare them to each other and see how wildly different they are a little bit of the Wild West today now. Say there aren't good ones out there but it's definitely the sort of the beating heart of Mac user interfaces exploded and spread over the last but it's hard to find let's say well and I think that's the same problem windows has had forever like you know one of the reasons why windows appetizer APP. You is are all over the place. I mean there's multiple causes for this but one of the big reasons is that there was fairly weak leadership from Microsoft from the platform vendor and the major application mentally like there was fairly weak leadership from them on. What a good interface for the platform is and for a long time? Apple had really strong leadership in that area on their platform. There's one of the reasons why third party software on the MAC tended to be better than thurbers offer on windows or at least nicer. There were strong leadership and strong strong concept of what is a good slash correct Mac designed to make and now I think apple has the exact same problem that Microsoft has had forever which is is like apple itself is not providing leadership in that area anymore and they haven't for a little while now to the point where you know not really apple can't design AMAC. Obviously their lives apple can't seem to design an APP anymore to save their lives. Like who apples apple seems to be really incapable of making good interfaces anymore. Whatever their current software software design leadership structure and variables? Whatever goes into that? When's the last one apple made a great you I? It's it's been a while like there's a reason why by most of our favorite products from apple are things like airports that have no. Ui That you know they. They're just not making great. You is anymore and they're really good at making junk drawer style. Things where like you just sweep. Sweep everything off the table and you have you still have tons of complexity. It's just buried and they call that. Simplicity implicity minimum but like the APPS are still horrendous to use. Their things are still very unintuitive. There is no standard for anything anywhere. They in different teams in the company that make different apps follow seemingly totally different. Ui Conventions and standards or no standards whatsoever music so like there's so many just like random bad bed designs coming out of apple these days. They are providing no leadership whatsoever anymore. On what makes a good Ui. And so we're we're GONNA have this problem we we have platforms where like the standards are fairly eroded or gone at this point and we all just kind of fending for ourselves trying to figure out. Is this good. Is this good in. Every company has a different opinion of of what that means. I mean. I think it's mostly like I said mostly trip for new APPS because a lot of their existing APPs even existing opposite have been refreshed. Refresh like us that said notes before reminders. There is a family resemblance to them. But they're not to your point. They're not new APPS like whereas the new apple apple came out with. Here's this new application dramatic like examples and other catalysts but like setting US adults is. They made new apps that either came with the macaroni purchase separately for for doing stocks or podcast. TV Not or voice memos or whatever those are just new applications from apple like. We don't see that we see okay. Well you're continuing to refine safari and again I think safari is Great. And if you WANNA look could a screen that has tons of complicated. Ui that has a pretty good job of wrangling. The web inspector insofar they add features to it all the time. It's very complicated. It's a developer tool and they do such a great job of of taming that complexity in a reasonable knack like looking. Ui Right and notes. And all these other. Applications that the toolbar with the monochrome buttons and the title Bar Louis Windows where the toolbar buttons alongside the window. which is like that's if I had to try to pinpoint some kind of you know faintly beating heart of the modern first party design it would be to look at? How apple has redesigned a bunch of their bundled MAC applications to have this family resemblance and then we can debate? The second thing is okay okay. That's where MAC design is at supposedly those three or four applications that have some kind of family resemblance that try that are trying to say this map. She'd be like then we can say. Is that a good way to be again. Getting back to brush metal. There was clearly a way that apple was saying I was at a good way for them to be or was that kind of not really. You know as timeless as they wanted it to be right I I. Could you know historically Mac with interviews. I probably I think got it did get into this when they first did the thing of like removing the title Bar and merging it with the toolbar and doing transparency in the vibrancy layers in the sidebars and borderless windows. And hiding thing this girl bars and all that other stuff like lots of decisions that have been presented as Mac like You know new directions in Mac Mac like designed defining what it means to be back even when they have been very strong sometimes. Haven't been the best decisions again. It's like the the you know the group of songs songs that you can tell her made it a certain time and a certain moment in history and have a certain feeling a certain genre but aren't great songs so I do have some complaints about even you become allies that I find Makhaya which is why I think like the standouts. Are you staring at my screen. Like things like audio hijack which are like we are going in our on direction and we're just GonNa make a great Ui period and it will feel Mac like because the people who make it. Have the MAC in their bones and understand sort of the underlying ethos. But it doesn't have to actually use any standard controls and it doesn't actually have to look like safari or notes or reminders or contacts or or anything like that to be a good map thanks to our sponsors this week clear Casper and health. IQ And we'll talk to you next week and now the show is over. They didn't even mean to begin. Accidental Axa dental John Research Margo and Casey would Kim because it was accidental was accidental. Leap can fund the show today. Ask Apollo uh-huh Them S. L. I. S. Casey Lists and C. a. r. m. the Anti Marco Arment KC Syracuse. We haven't done it ask. At and a couple of episodes. Because we've been a little chatty but there was a really really really fun one that we thought we'd do as like a neutral after after show and so matt rigby rights if the ATP crew were to take a top gear style road trip in separate cars which is probably the only way we could survive life. What three cars shoes for? Something along the lines of a cross country trip like so the implication. That is getting here. I think is that this isn't like you know down down the road or anything like that. The three of US driving in separate vehicles easily halfway across the country. Now I have an answer which I am. I like my answer. uh-huh overjoyed with it. Would you like me to tip my hat in. Just start or would you prefer to go I is it a jeep. Wrangler note is not as you. Well that's an interesting thought but it should be as punishment for thinking about buying imagine is there. Is there a worst punishment than being forced to drive jeep. Wrangler for like how. How is the country like five thousand miles? Oh you don't like or how big the country is. That's good so I just recently cost. Wasn't it just recently that. There's a new cannonball run record of twenty four hours or something like that. It was preposterous. Whatever the whatever the answering they broke they broke the record that was made and widely publicizing the internet like five ten years ago? I forget what the new time is up but yeah it was. It was broken by a lot. Yeah because Alex Roy did it out Roy did it and that was like the thirty thirty two hours or something like that. The there was the in the imply to and it was the it will never be beat time and then like a couple years ago that got beat and then I think just in the last a six months to a year there was another new record. preposterous I. Tell you I will since I'll go ahead and go first since none of us over enthusiastic so I I was thinking to myself all right. I'm going to be in the car for very long time. I'm going to want a car. That probably can do a fair amount of self-driving but I don't want an electric car because I don't Wanna I have to stop all the time to charge. Can you back up a little bit. You'RE GONNA WANNA car. That can do a fair amount of self driving. Could you please unpack that statement. Ah So there are degrees. SELF-DRIVING NECE so for example my goal far it will ping pong inside of the edges of Elaine. If I just let my hand hand off the wheel which I would never do. I'm just saying like it is capable of keeping me in a lane angry about a terr- it's a terrible approach would never rely on it. I'm just saying strictly strictly speaking. It would keep me Elaine if I really really really needed it to broin between the two the the two dividing lines. That's not that's not really self driving errands errands. Car does a fairly decent job at least on the highway. Anyway of full on self driving like you have to keep your hands on the wheel. Just like on Tesla usually and it'll actually you know. Stay Dead Center in the lane. It'll it'll follow appropriately if people in front of you slow down and it'll speed up again if they speed up etc and then to me. I actually think the best self driving that I'm aware of is the Tesla and as much as I love to poke fun at Tesla's theirself driving sweet for lack of better word is really and truly incredible so I would want something. That's along the lines of Tesla's self-driving capabilities. But I don't personally want to do this trip hypothetical trip in a Tesla is that fair John. You can continue so. I want a gasoline petrol powered car. I don't actually. I didn't even think about these but but I don't think I want that especially since in America. It's not as prevalent as it. We'll do the thing where they pull their arm down to hunt the harm in other countries but anyway so I wanna I wanNA sedan. I don't think I WANNA coupe. Although coop isn't acceptable answer I suppose I want I just want maybe I wanNA luxury luxury barge is what I want and the obvious answer to. This question is some sort of ridiculous S. class but now to be fair. I haven't driven a Mercedes. A modern Mercedes he's really probably ten plus years But I returned to old faithful which is really old unfaithful. Actually I returned to BMW. And I thought thought to myself what would I get from BMW and so this this is actually been in the show notes for several weeks and so several weeks ago I actually built myself a twenty twenty seven fifty fifty. I ran with of course the sport package. This is zero to sixty in under four seconds in a sedan. That's probably as long as my house and weighs about twice as much and the MS RPM has built and we will put a link to my build in the show notes. A one hundred eleven thousand dollars and one hundred eleven thousand five hundred dollars for this seven fifty I extract sedan so again my theory is this will kind of self drive to at least some degree it will be comfortable it. It is large plenty of room for whatever luggage might WanNa bring and it's just nice so that is my answer so I mostly agree with a lot out of what you have said. All right good start agree with. I don't agree with the grill on that car. That's one thing I don't agree on. That's fair we'll never know. Never lose sight of you in the rear view. America's grills gleaming So I I think for me like one of the critical questions here is is is electric. Really an option like so this depends on a lot of the details of the implementation details. Like are we sticking together top gear style. Exactly because if we're not sticking together together we're not gonNA sit around for you while you sip coffee for forty five minutes right like you know I. I love driving the Model S. and I've driven it for lots of long highway trips decide today on a long trip. I love it but there is the reality that about every four to five hours of driving depending on how how. You're you're driving. You're going to have to stop for about forty minutes. I personally in my life owning these cars for now almost four four and a half years. Whatever it is I find that totally fine? I hardly ever have to actually do it in practice because I hardly ever take drives at longer than that and on the rare occasions I have found it pretty pleasurable. Actually because that is about ah like usually after about four hours. I want to stop for about a half hour anyway. Just get get some food or taking quick. Rest whatever it is but you know the top up gear rules you stop we just leave behind. That's all right later like there's no waiting right so for me. If you guys would actually wait for me no question model s no question at all okay. It's slow down. Why not? Why not the X.? Not to say you're wrong. Was the drive around in a shoe shoe gets less range first of all first of all. I think it's less attractive. It also gets less range. They're not fair enough. You get a sunburn on his head whereas hat the the whole time in the car I mean the Model X. is also excellent. It's very similar in many ways to the Model S.. Oh really I'd be perfectly happy with that as well but I would be happier with the S so really the question becomes like. Is that the style driving. We're doing Ari. Are we going across the country on the interstate highways or we not using the interstate highways. Are we going to be somewhere crazy. Where there's not going to be superchargers for you know hundreds of miles around see? That's the thing that worries me more. Because I I you would know the super charger network better than me. And I'm glancing at the map. That's a tussle dot com slash super charger and it certainly does seem just looking at the super charger map that there are some north. Excuse me some some East West passages ages that clearly have superchargers pretty much the whole way across the country. But there's one that looks like looking through North Dakota which I don't know why we would go through North Dakota but if if we chose to go through North Dakota it looks like there's some superchargers coming soon but there's a long swath of road where it's superchargers are not there today. So I I I hear you and I accept the answer with the caveats you've given but I would also be curious. Have you thought about when you're done with the electric part if there's a gasoline in or diesel-powered option that you've considered I'd love to hear that as well with the diesel diesel for these will be terrible on a long road trip because you'd have to wait and for win till you found diesel gas ask station across the US like that's not going to be every highway exit. I think it's probably plenty to design diesel but all listen to a diesel engine for spotted like an American car okay so carry on so so any other thoughts about your me like the whole. The whole appeal of gas is that you can stop at any any exit off of the highway and pull in directly off of the ramp. And there's going to be a gas station there and you can use gas. It'd be done in ten minutes. Diesel makes that not always as the case in America and other countries is much more common but like in America. You if you're not in a very dense area you might. It might take you a few exits before you can find a station that has diesel or you might. It might not even tell you and you kind of have to guess and try a few until you find one so it's not nearly as common so anyway so yeah I think if you're gonna go with any kind of burning fuel in America go with gas but I still would really dramatically prefer electric because the self-driving is so good good and and I know it's just a very comfortable car for long trips because I've taken many long trips in it and I know it's 'cause for me like long trips you're optimizing for comfort comfort and ease of driving basically You know you want something that's going to be nice. That's going to be fairly easy but you're also not going to get too two board with the car end because any car gets boring on a long trip but you you at least want to have some fun with it. That's why I didn't even think of things like like a big old Mercedes Sadi's boat because I find them really boring and just kind of don't get my mic years. I guess so so for me. My number one pick was the model S.. With the caveat that only if we're actually GONNA like stick together through the supercharging if not what if if I had to get a gas car for that purpose I think I would go back to the m five even though I haven't yet ever seen the current generation Asian one and I. I love the idea of automatic transmission despite what everybody says it being so close enough to good. But that's the I love the idea of that. I'm skeptical but anyway I did also take a lot of long road trips in the five in more than in one country in the three countries here and like three or four. There is that right so I'm like that. Yeah something like that so I I've taken many long trips in that I've I've driven thousands of miles in on the highway and the m five and it's very comfortable because it's similar. It's it's like it's the large sedan. It has cushy into your featured has the but massaging there's all sorts of features. Like that. You know it has it has radar cruise control all so like because that's to me like if you're not going to give me you know self driving that will keep you in the lane. My minimum for long high drives functionality. If I'M GONNA make appeal this is it has hassle. Released have adaptive speed cruise control where it has the radar to look at the car in front and everything it has to at least have that. So we're having these things to me no question. It's the Model S.. I with the ASCA electric waiting periods. And if you're not gonNA wait with me. I needed gas car. I'd probably go for the five so John. You'd have an accord and that's the end of the show. Thanks thanks everyone for listening. We'll see next week. I'm glad to hear the both of you have come around on the ocean. That if you're taking a long trip the most important thing is to be comfortable because now you're old old. Old Person Butts pampered. So no one's like getting a Ferrari Daytona and just being like yes. I'm GonNa Drive that for twenty twenty five hours because it gets old real fast and just not worth it so my choices the one you both kept talking about and dismissing because you are wrong the big Mercedes the big old Mercedes now it is the what do they call it. It's the MG sixty three faster than than Casey's BMW. W is undoubtedly cushier more luxurious. And the thing is that's what I want for a long trip. I want to feel like I'm driving in the living room. I wanted to be uh-huh comfortable I don't care about the handling right. I mean having power is great in this thing has plenty of power three point five seconds sixty huge top speed like but being comfortable troll for a long period so yes all these cars have. He didn't cooled seats in but massages or whatever but the Mercedes ones had the reputation for being the most squishy the least sporty Gordy. Let's say because even though the car is incredibly powerful big squishy seats beautiful materials all over the interior burl. Walnut is what I selected for mind. Because I'm just a traditionalist nationalist. Yes it's Cliche but it looks really nice. Everything is nice and lead their. It smells good. You've got good visibility at their dashboard is a nice this big screen but not like a tesla screens more just regular large console. That happens to be a screen. It's got a heads up display and I bet it's really quiet at speed but it's very comfortable after bowl. But if he has a solid as a rock and you can go on down straight highways at high speed. Now I'm going to depart from both of you on the whole requiring a electronic assistance. I don't want any of that because I tend not to trust it and all of my long road trips have been taken in cars with had any of that stuff and other than basic cruise control. So you don't have to hold the accelerator pedal down for hours at a time other than that. I don't need any other assistance. I'm sure this this has them. I mean they all cars have them and everything like that. And I wouldn't do things like turn off the emergency braking system so that like if you're going to be around the car in front of you and you fall asleep. It will stop the Carlos all have that now. I would leave that on not saying I would like to turn off all the electric Nannies. Because I'm gonNA drive all myself. No I would leave on the emergency things but but things like lane keeping cruise control even maybe even radar detecting cruise control be wary because the thing is about long trips is I want to be engaged. Engaged enough to make sure I am paying attention. I can't let the car do too much So even though this car has them I wouldn't use them You say that but have you experienced experienced radar cruise control because radar cruise control is amazing. I'm sure it is but I feel like that is for me personally. That is one level of engagement that a a little bit too. It's removed too much. I especially with with cruise control. And especially if you're going long trips like there's not you know you're on the open road there's nobody around. I'm from miles. It's not as if you need it and if I'm in traffic or whatever I mean remember I've only ever own stick shift car so if I'm not constantly shifting in traffic that already is fairly the luxury now have to be doing that right. So maybe maybe over the course of long trip outcome around radar cruise control. But I would definitely never do line keeping I. I am very down on lane keeping just because I mean if you know how the lane keeping stuff works for the most part. GPS highly accurate. GPS MAPS APPs aside. The car has no idea where the road is other than by looking out in front the same way human would and trying to figure it out and humans are better at that in cars by a long stretch driving Massachusetts where sometimes you will come upon a road that has twenty sets of lines going one hundred different directions. Some which lead off into a ditch. I fear what lane keeping system would do when faced with that. You're hoping you would just throwing hand and start beeping or something. But there's one clear set of line slowly leading off into the pitcher have thrown. The car is going to take that route. And it's GonNa kill me so I say no to lane keeping I say yes to big luxurious vast. Quiet Mercedes actually considered going in the direction I consider going picking like classic a classic from my childhood Mercedes because I took a couple of long road trips in my friend's fathers there's eighties Mercedes. which is how I came to my Mercedes love because I was always just amazed how solid it felt and how quiet it was and how squishy the seats were and how fast he he drove in it and that sort of like gave me my childhood impression Mercedes and I mean the as Mercedes were not particularly good looking but they were smooth and they it was solid and they were quiet and they were surprisingly fast and the modern ones? I'm not sure of the modern ones are continuing with that tradition. But everything I've read about them next to think that more or less lasts. BMW USERS still slightly sportier in the large car not in the rest of the car market these days but in the large market BMW feels the need to be tougher. uh-huh and stiffer suspension. So the m five especially the five competition is probably a much more harsh ride than any of the classes. So that's why I'm going with my tried and tear Mercedes Mercedes s class and so since I am the oldest and have the most old person but in the cradled I think that by the time we ride AH destination. I body would have the least wear and tear despite being the oldest and the creepiest and I even like the model when I was building that has like the rear seat heaters and coolers there's in everything so that on the way back you can just ride in the back of Manga and all be comfortable ditches other lesser cars and not wait for Marco data to fill up his better again and just drive back in quite a genuine question and I think I know the answer why not wagon is. There's no class wagon. Oh No I'm sorry. Oh S. class. You're correct I'm sorry. I was looking at as in e sixty three s wagon but no you are correct I apologize. I was actually considering one of the coupe options because unlike I'm not gonNA have any people. It's a striving driving separately. But I got the big backseat for Youtube. Is I know you're GonNa WanNa get you. Don't want to get out of your uncomfortable cars. I got the wireless charging and the rear seat options that you can just put your phone phone down when you want to charge it and the screens you'll be all set back there. There was a thing called like I was in the options. It was like something bucket. There is A. There's there's an option to get a CD player in the glove box. One hundred and thirty dollars I. I didn't pick that one or for five thousand dollars. You can get something called Magic Sky Control. Yeah that's the little stars guy here. There's no it's not it's it's like electronic tinting of the sunroof glass There you go because I didn't. I didn't pick that either. The comfort box driving peace of mind when carrying small items in the trunk. Oh I thought this was like in the console walks walks in the trunk to hold smaller items Arou- around it's only three hundred fifty dollars. I did not choose it anyway. Might total price of mine is fairly reasonable considering how much luxury nonsense in his car and performance stuff again it's it's faster than Casey's BMW. I think it's also better looking this total comes to Ooh I good wheels and I picked blackout like package. So there's less chrome I think it's one fifty one pretty reasonable. That's that's A. That's a goal for more than my phantom BMW. For God's Sakes. I mean we're all picking cars that you could like. You can get a pretty good house in Ohio for this amount of money. Yeah but this is more comfortable than the housing well done. Well done This is all wheel drive. Is that right you know. I didn't even look I think it it is. I'm not confident. I'm correct though. That's a must for a cross country trip because like we also like you know what kind of conditions are we driving through here. Are we driving across the bottom of the country where it's going to be pretty warm therefore we might want things like sky control or are we going to be going across the top of the country. Where and what time of year is this? Are we going across the northern part of the country in the winter. Because that's going to possibly change my pick to like some kind of giant monstrosity thing. Well actually another thing to think about John Is I. Don't think you have car play in this. Whereas I do probably wireless in fact I don't care I don't play you say I almost picked the the The Weird Fancy Three d surround sound thing for the fancy speakers that I've said that stock speakers probably find into podcast. Yeah right so what are we listening to. This is gonNA use the fancy like burmeister a high end three D surround sound system for sixty four hundred dollars anyways these are all good choices. I'm not surprised by any of them if I'm honest but here they're all kind of boring choices. Well but that's the thing we reach a certain age and you're going to be in the car for hours. You WanNa be comfortable. Yeah that's why I didn't consider any kind of comedy option or fun an old car. You know I'm not. I'm not going to get the lorry or anything like what you really want here. It's like you want a comfortable car. That's going to mostly drive itself on the highway these with cruise control. And you're going to want like you know all the creature comforts of good climate control. You know good. You know. cushy ride great visibility yet quiet. And that's actually quiet is not great in the m five the you know the Model S. Way Quieter and I'm sure your classes. It's quite as well things like with the gas car. Like you WANNA car with a long range so you don't have to stop as much fill up so you want the. Yeah no it really. Isn't it's hard to get things done. The five twenty five gallon gas tank or or something they had they had to add giant estee do it because it's so incredibly necessity now. The mileage isn't great. But that's the thing about these just ad- adding a bigger gas tank is really really easy to do. And extends the range by a ridiculous amount because there was some there was some engineering explained videos recently that was comparing like the range of a bunch of electric cars ars and everything and saying. Here's the long range model. Asan here is like Maybe it was a Camaro or something. I don't remember. It was some terrible car with terrible gas mileage. And it's like so the long range model less less gets more on a Philip than terrible like Kamara. Whatever so it's like if you wanted to extend but here's this other car that had like wasn't court or something at the very long range because it was like wimpy four-cylinder it's like well? The electric cars can't match this range. Like eight hundred mile range or something. How much more battery would you have to add electric match US range and it was like well? You'd have to add another five thousand pounds or something and it was ridiculous right then. It was like how much weight would you have to add to the Camaro to match the ranger and it was like you had to make the the gas tank like six gallons bigger nothing like the energy density of gasoline is phenomenal and making the gas tank bigger ways nothing and putting the actual gas. It's like the it was ridiculous. It really just hammered home the The energy density dichotomy between gas cars and electric no-go electric cars. Have it easy. So if you have a gas car with bed range no that that is entirely chosen based on like interior space concerns turns. And maybe if it's a sporty car a little bit of weight but really gases gases lightweight energy dense and weighs weighs nothing. When it's not in your car if only there were no other problems with it? Yeah yeah well you know all right. So final questions are running long if someone someone with who is just filthy rich said I will literally buy these cars and you decide whether or not we can keep them afterwards but I will buy all three of these cars. I'm Gerrad affect the most expensive one. Hand you the keys and you guys have to film record or do something to chronicle the trip but I will. I will fund the trip of the three of you to go from New York to La. Would you do it. Does it have to be video. La No no it does not in La does not have to be video. GOLLY tough like to do video well would cost away more than these. Three cars are working and that would be a hassle like doing video wells wells a giant pain in the butt and takes a lot of people and assume that that whatever it is. It's no impact on us like if it's video there's a film crew that handles everything. We just have to be the talent. They say I would probably do it just for the life experience as long as it wasn't a race because I don't want to have to be like you know rushed. Are you know going fast or anything like that. Yeah and obviously if someone's paying for it I would go slowest possible. Stop it every stupid tourist attraction. Just hang out and make it like. I don't get time off work. What's like the BBC situation that's tolerance of our respective spouses? Right have US gone for what amount of time doing what exactly. You're doing this why I have always wanted to cross country road trip but it's road trip trip. Oh God I would love to do a cross country road trip. I think that'd be incredibly incredibly fun and fly back right probably back.

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These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease in the book they provide great benefits like starbucks giving healthcare even part time employees investing in their suppliers and not squeezing their suppliers the suppliers profitable and innovative investing their customer experience investing in their communities investing in the environment and even paying taxes axes at a higher rate thirty four percent rate for that set of companies. We found that they actually financially delivered dramatically higher tones as well so they will outperform the S. and P. Five hundred eighty nine to one ratio a ten year period for the public companies in that book eighteen public companies so that illustrated to us as a whole philosophy of business. This out there. That is predicated on this idea. That business compete extraordinary value when you align and harmonize all of the energies of all of the stakeholders together and shared. Boca's pope wasn't shared values. That's what does that right. And the limits value creation of way higher than we ever thought businesses not a zero sum game. You don't have to squeeze your employees in order to make except profits. You can actually teach employers. Pay Them well and you can be highly successful if you align all of these things together and if you make sure you're operating with purpose and shared values I I love it man. I love it. We've got more with Raj Society Professor at Babson College Co founder of conscious Capitalism Inc corporated and the conscious capitalism movement. Got A brand new book out. We're going to talk about that. The healing organizations with an S. You can find it at. WWW w. w. dot healing organizations with us on the end dot com. I'm Allan Taylor Entrepreneur. Weekly we're going to learn a lot today blew. My love is pure stay tuned. There's more entrepreneur weekly after these messages. Pitches while you're listening to entrepreneur in her weekly. Don't forget pickup. Our magazine newsstands most everywhere. CHECK OUT OUR WEBSITE ENTREPRENEUR DOT com. And of course there's lots lots of great podcast if you visit our website including this one entrepreneur weekly. This is a national radio show within. It's all put up for your twenty a four seven listening pleasure as a podcast afterwards. Thanks to our radio stations as well. Our guest right now is Raj Society and his new book. Let's just clarify. The book is called the Healing Organization. The website has an S. on the end to make sure that you get to the right place because somebody already had the other one so they were smart and continued on that path healing organizations dot com for the web. But the book doesn't have the S so so I have. I have a question so I mean as far as when I start talking about love and philosophy and caring and and people go wait a minute this is a business. Show knocking off talk about numbers and talk about and I'm like no no first of all. Let's get our foundational virtues and values in place to build upon and I think love of his like the biggest one might listen. The slogan to my company is brands. You Trust people you love and I went okay. I trust the brand but I love people so love is in the slogan of my company. So I'd like you to just run with that one. Yeah no you know. As far as that love and work are the cornerstones of our human and and in the world of business we have forced people separate those two ideas are supposed to be at home and then you come on put on your armor and your mask and you know you go to battle and you fight your competitors and win some market share and you know there's a whole set of you know militaristic way that we think about business. This is not that business is not a war businesses are are we taking care of each other. You know in a free society. The government doesn't is not supposed to meet our needs. Government creates the conditions. Businesses can be Tani's so human beings are meant mental care for each other and business the way to do that at scale for us to meet each other's needs and take care of it that's a lot of businesses about but if I approach the energy if I'm GonNa use you and expect you to make money for myself 'cause you're a customer and employee except that I'm GonNa Cause suffering for you and if I come with with the energy of serving taking care of you to this business whether you're an employee or families of employees or customers Dan you actually going to create healing in this world and to build on your love Metaphor earlier island. You know the way I explicit knowledge that there are two things that are hidden away in the carpet closet. One is unexpressed love as we talked about human beings have a need to care that has demento try for self interest but businesses don't enable us to express that carrying so there's unexpressed love in the workplace and this island's suffering if you could put a talk bubble above the heads of everybody that was in our office in our factories and just understand what what they're going through and what they're dealing with in their lives. It'll be heartbreaking. You know people are walking around. People have story people even heroic. They have walking almost burdens and still doing their work. But if you allow that silence suffering to be expressed and he's got a lot that unexpressed love to be expressed then we will actually create joy from that combination nation. We will enable people to be able to express their innate desire. Need Tocchet and we will give it somewhere to go. In other words we can help each other. We can organizations positions aware suffering gets office and alleviated the fact that a lot of suffolk the way we manage and organize literally killing us. Heart attacks twenty percent higher right here on Mondays. One hundred twenty thousand Americans die every year because of the way we work stress. You know from the work itself. It's the way we do the work baby. Maybe lead manage and organize seventeen thousand Chinese die every day from overwork. Cool this is a worldwide epidemic right and it doesn't have to be this way we don't have to kill the people who make money quite the opposite. In fact the more people are joyful. Linda workmates concealing playground. It doesn't have to feel like a prison. And unfortunately that's what what it is for. Many people employee engagement worldwide is only fifteen percent eighty. Five percent of people. Don't care about their work is something they have to endure in order to get on with their lives and then financial strength the huge contributor to the suffering out there fifty percents of Americans have less than four hundred dollars in the bank and if they needed two thousand dollars dollars in thirty days would not know how to get that so a small incident in their life becomes a life changing tragedy. Right right suddenly can lose everything. So people are living with tremendous amounts of class and the suffering that results from physical mental emotional and spiritual doesn't have to be that business can be a place of healing for those who work that can can be a source of feeling for everybody we serve including customers communities and it can be a force for healing in society we can show the world how we all come together around share per person shared values despite our cultural economic and political and other differences. We know how we can work together and business can model that in the world. How can businesses really I mean? Wow it's such a big thing to even say. How can we develop into a different way of being and leading? How and you know what I hate to tell you this but I gotta ask that question on the other side of the commercial break? That's perfect place to stop. Oh my gosh this is heavy stuff you guys. I'm so glad we're talking about it on a business show because to be an entrepreneur starts with the heart. It's aww weekday in our guest today is is I was GonNa Call Him Dr Professor because he's a professor at Babson College Professor Raj Sis Sodia. He's also the CO founder of the conscious capitalism movement and author of a brand new book. We haven't even hardly started talking about it. I think we're going to have to go a whole our here. Raj The book by the way the Healing Organization and you can find that at healing organizations with an s dot com. I asked you how can corporations and companies and leaders get started on this healing. If that's probably the best way to get you going again. Yeah well you know. You can't have a healing organization without a healing leader Microcosm actually shows up in the macrocosm. Right so what's the then will show up in the organization and we said this is the consciousness of the leader places an upper limit on the consciousness of the organization so if a leader has unhealed trauma almost within that if they have things on their child or other things that happened in all of us do carry some traumas from our life right. And if we haven't he'll those and come terms of those and we are going to inflict suffering on others through our leadership and so therefore the first response ability of leaders is to make sure that they are psychologically logically whole and healthy to make sure that they have healed their own child. You know the wounded child that many of us carry so they're connected to all of the positive energy but then themselves and I had a personal experience with this because I set out to write this book. I got advice from some people who might really trust kind of in my guides in life and three of them separately told me the same thing. They don't write a book about healing. If you haven't worked on your own healing I. I didn't take some time off. I had a book deadline. I was saying no to Some opportunities but unity that I could have experienced healing but I said no delay the book and learn about yourself and understand what needs to be healed and how he can heal from that place. You write this book otherwise you'll be doing a disservice. To what is you know for us. It was a sacred undertaking to write a book with this title. Because there's a lot of suffering in the world and we don't want to give people people false hope and sort of empty you know Words to try to alleviate that I did that I delayed the book by five months and I said yes to a number of things that I voted before including a trip into the Himalayas High Emily's and the India China border around the time I was turning sixteen last year. I I went to a silent retreat in upstate. New York repeater sankey professor. MIT and a whole group of people receive tremendous wisdom through those four days of silence. I went on on Amazon to treat deep into the rainforest in Ecuador with a group called the Pacha Mama Alliance and spent ten days with those native cultures through who different types of power and the people living with them and keeping them and experiencing loose and Shamans and so forth and to all of this and I receive if tremendous wisdom inside about my own life making sense of my own life and I experienced the things that I did and what that then led to. You know something I saw when I was five years all that forty years later caused me to write a book for example about the seminary because I experienced hyper masculine patriarchal feudal culture in India. When I was growing up? And that led me to become sensitized to the need for more Feminine Energy in the world. That's that's also. My life really started to make sense. And then I started to receive lots of wisdom about about this idea of healing especially when I went to that rainforest and in those cultures this was about connecting back to nature. And that's weird thing to say. It's like asking a tree to connect to nature Angela. We are from this planet. We came from you know. We are part of nature but we have disconnected. That's the problem completely disconnected right and And so you know in those cultures they talk about the you know the western all connected everything for head but they talk about you know from the neck down and then on that need to connect to the spirit of things from our spirit today spirits. It's so those kinds of ideas and then also I had a shamanic experience under the Today Remember Eight lillies August last year lunar eclipse some were on the ground laying on banana leaves next to a river bank and the shoreland. We're going through all of these so monies and I asked what do I need to learn about healing and how can we bring healing to the world of business and I had the way distinct experience. If that's cry for forty five minutes an extra grief at all the suffering that has happened in the world in my life. You know. I wasn't able to express that grief. Also the Greek the suffering that because business. There's a lot of people literally dying because of their conditions that were in the way in which they're forced to work. And then I had these four words floating in my vision of my clothes out and said have this is what the world of business needs. This is what the world of business has gotten far away from the forwards love which you mentioned quite a bit the top innocence. Simplicity and truth to this is what the world of business does not have. We need to operate from love. You know we need to be taken care of each other businesses businesses not using each other business that we need to have essential sense of innocence. Now what does that mean. That means we're not looking to exploit anybody not knowingly causing housing pain in anybody else are motors clean and clear right. We're not trying to trick anybody. And the third was simplicity. We have we've been hiding behind complexity if you look at the financial crisis in two thousand. Eight is a lot of complex essentially to trick people with complexity the end Alaska's truth most profound word of all I mean what is our commitment to truth business. I'll be honest with them. The truth about our product. I'll be honest with our employees. This is also good. We're GONNA continue on with this conversation. These four words in Russia Saudi Mind Love Innocence. Simplicity and truth. If I think of that I I think that's what children are. And that's what we must return to is to be simple and simple minded like a child and that is the key of life it will be right back. This is good stuff stay tuned. There's more entrepreneur weekly after these messages. Well I don't even know who talks like this in the business world but this is is the kind of talk that we should be having as entrepreneurs and businesspeople as men as women as families as off the children. We are inside filled with love innocent. Simplicity and truth. This is what I want in my life. I hope you want it in your professor at Babson College. A business professor co founder of conscious capitalism INC author author of the book the Healing Organization. Rosh this Odia Raj. I love you man. You are just awesome. What here? We're not talking rocket science. This is actually going back to what we were as little children. If we were sitting out there eight nine ten years old little kids that have the wisdom of adults as we go. What's life about love innocent? Simplicity truth you said man. I love that man. Yeah we get corrupted by so many things things that happened in over lose sight of the fundamentals you know it is healthy child energy that we need to go back to and it's the innocence not the week naive innocence of a child. But it's annoying being in powerful innocence. Adulthood chooses that WHO choose to be that way and having gone through lives. It's the it's the innocence on the other side of wholeness when we've actually gone through and all that and all the things in life you know but it was that experience and then within that same night I also had another vision vision. That came to me. which was I saw these people standing under the hot sun the long snaking line of people? So I'm seeing it from above and at the end of that line there's a tiny little woman and and She's hugging everybody for people lining up for hours and hours in the Hudson to get out from this any longer. This is actually a woman from India. She's known as a Ma and she's known as the hugging Saint Saint she goes around the world and she traveled to New York and Boston all over the world and and And basically that's all she does she helps people and people experienced unconditional love and then they walk away orienteer- and the message that I got in seeing that image was that all of these people could be hugging each other and that they have what they're looking for they don't need to go over there to that woman that each of them as a human being has what it takes to heal the other so we all have within us what it takes for us to heal ourselves and for us to each each other and I think that's an important message in the world of business and I think for leaders leader say Oh my God. I might have more problems if I open up. This kind of open doors boxes allowing people to express express their suffering. I will be emotionally around. Well that's not what we're asking you to do within create the conditions. Give people permission to be able to express this island's as I express their unexpressed love and that will create a momentum of its own in the organization will that they conduct energy and as a leader. You know the he'll either. You enable those Oh come senses to exist and then that organization will come back and he'll you further it because virtual appealing circle it continuously healing as we go. You know. Continue over I. You know why because we have it within us and I don't know whether it's because of culture or because we just I don't know any better but it dwells within us this this you know this healing nature that we have for each other. The problem is is I. I believe there's too many of these business coaches that try and teach people how to run until they've got no energy left and fall into bed and wake up at four in the morning and go work out and look good and feel good and sound good and Polish yourself but the reality is that inside your dying. It's not sustainable. Yup Yup absolutely absolutely and I think a big part of it has to do with the fact that we've created the world of business which is hyper masculine. And it's on the mental energy values right. It's all about achievement. And his the numbers and succeeding and winning the world with the fact is that that's one human energy we call it the father energy or the masculine but there's also the feminine energy that all of us have and I was supposed opposed to cultivate as well right so scallions every man and woman every woman hasn't inner man so that's feminine side has been suppressed because in society that has been seen as week right. That makes you. You know you'll get eaten alive in the world nurturing. Caring compassion empathy open as one of their ability. Inclusively these are all human values and we have left them out of our body politic as well as the world of business and as a result we have all these extraordinary suffering and one of the realizations that I had lost here. That really and I already wrote a book on the rise of Feminine Values in society and leadership a couple of years before that I worked with a coach for the first time and that she heard my life story and at the end of that and she said you realize that you have been honoring your mother with your work. The last fifteen years I started that book and I started Writing House and four came out in two thousand seven and I was channeling the love and the caring compassionate and all of that that my mother truly embodied but before that for forty plus years I was trying saying to impress my father. My work right right following that part and that was a futile effort because I was really more like my mother and I have those qualities he's in built but I was rejecting denying those qualities because my father told me you know you're trusting. You're too idealistic peaceful. You need to be rough. And you don't shouldn't trust anybody correct. You know. And so everything that I was innately born with I came to the jacked in myself right and I was chasing after something impressive. That was never going to happen. It was only when I realized motors my true nature I started. You know there's a whole process. I non my silent Titas well let. How do you get an a peace and happiness? You need to know yourself and then you need to love yourself. Well it says in the Bible to be still and know that I am God which is but we don't know what still this really is. It's hard for US powerful silence. I seem like at forty pages of notes by the end through me so you know you have to know yourself you got to love yourself to be yourself. Express yourself in the world so all of that came through in that statement from the coast that you've been honoring another energy and that's what's missing in the world. I see the world has enough of that masculine energy. I I mean we're all out there. Fighting and aggressive are doing everything out some time to dominate each other competing and all of that Energy Vino. It's but we are culture and I would say the. US cultures especially hyper masculine compared to others and lacking their phone. What needs to be stored for balance? Is that Feminine Energy and then there are two other entities so we need the energy. The mother and the child is you that we talked about. That's where Joe comes and we need be and that's meaning and purpose I so that's four high energy that need to be in harmony society's overdeveloped on one of those either masculine energy. which when you don't have the other become time from African from Anchorage encourages billion focused even to domination aggression? Excessive competition winning live healthy unhealthy expression of positive. have go all right. Hold tight hold tight. This is good. We gotta take a little break here. Wow I don't know if you heard what he said this good whether they're man woman young or young look at heart. They must integrate a healthy blend of masculine feminine elder and child energy therein lies the actual ingredients to joy and happiness. All around me out of much of the county doctor didn't and and yeah well. This is the entrepreneur. Weekly radio. Show a special show a healing show done right. Business can be a place of healing for those that work there and for those that. Run the business to. We're talking to Raj Sodia. He is the author of Healing Organization. Nations the healing organization if you go to the web healing organizations with an s dot com you can find him. He is a professor at Babson College. In Mass co-founder of conscious capitalism inc and the conscious capitalism movement. And I. I'm thrilled to have you on the show today. the book. Let's just let's just peel off for a moment. Let's just talk about this book just came out. What are you hoping? Obviously the purpose for this book is to affect the world in a positive way in. Maybe you could just give us a little bit on this book for a SEC. The book is do. I didn't see parts and the first part is kind of this suffering. We have cards. How did we get here? How did business which is rooted in freedom and human dignity? Right I mean free-market. Capitalism is the greatest thing ever invented as human beings and created tremendous progress spirit. We acknowledge that of course we thought that we would be still in the dirt humanity But how does that also lead to all this Suffering elitist damage to the planet. Of course the damage to our health and our anomaly of physical emotional and psychological. Well being as well. That's a what other roots of that and we talk about you. Know the sort of the hyper masculine nature. We talk about our way of thinking about business growth with ample this other than empire-building energy out there which is about accumulating power and and And money and so forth just like the Empires Alexander the Great and all of those were were built upon conquest either a built upon wars and even business empires can often awesome grow with that energy. But there's another way that businesses growing that is from a healing place almost like spreading a ministry businesses grow in Cairo. Call everybody matters. There's a CNN. Bob Chapman and he's a quiet one hundred eight struggling nine businesses in the Industrial Midwest and in Europe now as well and these are companies that make machines that make the people cardboard boxes or you know but packaging and so forth relatively mundane things the kinds of businesses. That people thought were dying would not be able to survive in the world but he bought the businesses this is and he turned them around by putting people at the center. I'm putting human dignity and respect for people and and a caring culture epicenter everything that the same people same business same location it was dying thing in studying and all these businesses with driving. And he's about one hundred and eight of them in turn them all around. He's never sold a single business and I asked him last year. I saw him after a gap of time. And and I said how you doing bobby really does he. Looking at ten to twelve more acquisitions this year. And I said Bob you know you've got a hundred and eighty's and you have twenty six grandchildren. And when the number of companies are they. Excuse the number of Rancho. Maybe it's time for you to slow down and enjoy your life you know like why are you running around crazy doing all this stuff. And he said seventy five. I don't know how many how much time I I have left. And I know that on my deathbed I would not be proud of the machines we built on the money I made but I will be proud of the lives. We touched and I wanted to touch as many lives as I can before I die and I bob. You're not growing business. You're spending a ministry right. You are spreading healing when Chapman comes to town people in that town feel like they have. I hope they have a future. Because he's going to buy their company and attend those jobs and give the town and those people and their families future. That's kind of the idea for healing business. And so the first part of the book talks about why because all this suffering are what are the mindset behind that the second part of the book is the joy that is possible in twenty five stories of companies that are doing precisely what we talk about healing their employees the healing the children of their employees. Some of these companies offer to the children of employee families are stakeholders in the business and evaluated by the families. How we doing but at the end of the year the healing their customers? They're healing communities healing. The environment bridging political divides in in their countries and so forth so twenty five inspiring moving stories. I mean we autos were literally in tears writing many of these stories I remember flying somewhere. I'm writing what is Electric Utility in Detroit called. DT And the extraordinary story that we have about them. And I literally tears. I'm sitting there. Writing personal next to me was wondering what's going on this. It's kind of like what's happening. And who would think that. Electric Utility in Detroit could be moving emotionally engaging story but it is we have lots of stories and then the third. What part of the book is called the Beckoning Park? How do you get there? How do you become a heating organization? How do you become a healing leader? And what are some of the steps that you would want to take on that journey. So that's what it is. We're hoping to you first of all open people's hearts and minds to this idea to acknowledge the suffering that exists. You know as James Baldwin said not everything that is faced east can be changed but nothing can be changed until it has faced so we need to face up to the reality that he has alongside the money and the jobs and everything else. We are also creating suffering an unnecessary Jose suffering in the world tonight. That's when you open your eyes to that and then you know the as there's been civil goes once you bear witness. Loving action will follow authentically bear witness to suffering then loving action will arise naturally within you as a human being love it. And that's what this is about. Okay whole type of take a break and we're GONNA come back all right you know. What Raj well all I can say is if you're not had learning something from this This hour I don't know I don't know what to tell you but when we come back for our final segment. Ross this Odia. He is going to be the professor from Babson College and give us some nuggets to take away. This is entrepreneur weekly when it comes to building and maintaining it t-systems smaller businesses wrestle with slim budgets and resource constraints at the same time. They're pressured to deliver agility security and a great experience for their customers members. How can small businesses transformed? 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All across America and around the world is show gets shared out there if I plays on radio stations around America and then it gets shared through entrepreneur dot com. And all the places places that podcasts are found. This show is called Entrepreneur Weekly. And we're here every week. Our special guests this week is Professor Rosh versus Odia. He is a professor at Babson college and his new book. We've been talking about and around and dealing with all throughout the entire. Our our it is is the healing organization. And I I got to say I love. I love the spirit of what you're doing and the whole conscious capitalism movement event. But it's time now for you to actually be the professor and give us some some nuggets of love and truth to take away so these folks that are listening signing today right now it can change their life the ripple effect from this show will take effect starting right now. Raj the Sodhi. Yeah well you know. The leaders in a rocker said the only three things that happen naturally in organizations fiction confusion and performance and everything else takes leadership. So there's all of leaders in the world is important even if more important than ever so I think has as each other people listening to this podcast leaders and they're impacting the lives of so many people people and think about this line measure success by the way you touch the lives of people let that be your primary measurable success and what is the overall impact having our customers employees children their families and for that. Also you need to start becoming a gonNA GENU- self-awareness I to understand yourself to understand your own nature to understand. What is your life purpose if you haven't already done that and that shows up in your work as well as between the two most important days of your life today on the day you finally realize why you were so what is it and you know? What is the gift that you came here uniquely to give us all and work on your own healing? Because sometimes the Thomas Experience in life prevent us from actually being able to bring we need to start working on our own healing and understanding ourselves and healing those traumas that need to heal so that we can then bring their happy loving energy to all the people who we have a Privileged to lead and one of the things we need to do that is to. We need to set the bar. We need to set the example and that means we need to open up and be willing to be vulnerable. You Know Kabila is an interesting word of think of it as weakness honorable and therefore we a week but actually think about it the vulnerabilities not a liability. It's an ability right in the word wondering -bility right the willingness to be open which means willingness to be human to show your full humanity and as a leader. You actually set the bar on that if you are willing to be open and we're willing to disclose things about your own challenges and so forth other people will have permission to do the same if you can get up to an eight or nine and then everybody can get up to a seven or an eight. But if you're stuck three nobody rise above a two and you will never have authentic relationships conversations within your company which which are the first step towards healing so again set that bar the willing to be well noble you know set the tone so other other people can follow and then create conditions where people are unable to help each other your wake on a sense of altruism some of the organization when you actually allow people to be human to express their own challenges. I'm suffering the thing that dealing with. And they figured out how they can actually help each other to create the environment conditions that can happen and then think about how that extends to your other stakeholders that accenture customers. How can we be a force for healing and their life hyphen? This becomes an expression of your purpose much deeper level. I believe ultimately every purpose of every individual and every organization on this planet should be healing purpose which means is that we alleviate suffering and we elevate joy enable healthy growth in whatever dimension we choose I can be a lawyer. I can be a doctor. I can be entrepreneurs in whatever industry I choose. You can always be an instrument of healing right reducing suffering elevating joy after voting anti-growth. What business is meant to be about and if we do that we will truly bring about an extraordinarily fulfilling and happy future for not only as human beings but for all life on this planet? And that's what the conscious capitalism movement it went six to do are also as you to. We have chapters in thirty eight cities now around the US and in eighteen other countries become part of that movement. That's what the conversation that we had today if you like like this kind of conversation and that's what's happening at these chapters and in our national conferences and international conferences all over the world now so join the community. You will find your tribe if if you are moved by what we well. This song says. I'm a believer. I'm a believer. I I gotTa tell you I'm a believer. Thank you so much professor rise the the website. WWW DOT healing organizations dot com with the S for that one. The book is the healing organizations. And how can we be Steve Force for healing could start within our own organization and our lives. Thank you Dr. I should say professor they are. I'm Alan Taylor. 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It's Tomlin Bob with another episode of Contra Krugman remember we're doing every other week now with Contra Krugman and this time we mean it is time we mean it. That's right now like last time but this time we mean it and this time it's also working very well because we're able to pick out a column that has something to do with economics. The is fruitful food for thought at least after we filter it through our you know. Correct thinking brains. The Column is Democrats Comma avoid the robot rabbit hole. It's from October Seventeenth Twenty nineteen linked at Contra Krugman DOT com slash. Two nine and the gist of this column is is that Krugman thinks that the Democrats obviously most prominently Andrew Yang. But not only him are making a mistake and going down the the wrong path when they get overly concerned about. Oh by the way. Hello Bob Glad to have you here. I forgot to say so. I just started right in a hello. Thank NCUA. Hello Hello My name is Bob. I am going to participate. I'm doing a robot that was good. Robots see every other week. Now I'm out of practice as I forget I gotta say hello. Hello Bob Alright. Well we've said hello to Bob. You get the gist of the Columbine. What it's worth I wasn't slighted? I was really eager for you to jump been like I might even being sarcastic so okay well. I think it was just the excitement. That Krugman actually wrote a column that would lead you to believe. He was an economist economist. I think we're gift. It's a gift it really is so anyway. He's saying that it's a mistake to go down that road because he says is that the evidence for this. The alleged automation apocalypse is Finn and unconvincing. He says that for somebody like Elizabeth Warren Orange. Come along and say that the real problem for American workers is not so much automation as it is free trade trade that is a trade policy. He says that that's not altogether wrong. But he says she is wrong to think. The changing trade policy is going to Do much to bring good jobs back. He says she's on much firmer. More solid ground when she moves onto her more her wider agenda of tackling inequality and the power of the wealthy as Krugman puts it and he says the best answer to this question in the debate. Came from Bernie Sanders. You'll recall Paul. If you're a longtime contra Krugman listener that Krugman was very much. Clint tonight over Sanders and was not favorable to Bernie. was very critical of Bernie and his economic advisors. But here I mean I happen to think I think Krugman has seen which way the wind off offs not supposed to be doing this supposed to be summarizing the call but the heck with that amount of practice. I think what's going on here is that he sees the way. The wind is blowing. It's blowing away from Clintonistas STA establishmentarian Azam and more toward progressive sanders. As them. And I think he doesn't want to be left behind but anyway he says that Bernie. Yes his his job guarantee. A federal job guarantee for everybody is probably unworkable. But he says Bernie is surely right to say. There's plenty to do in America in terms of work. And yes he's right. We should have large scale public investment. And this is a great idea in response to persistent economic weakness and in Krugman says the This persistent weakness is not about automation. It's about while. What else for a Keynesian inadequate private spending? So why are we fixated on automation. Well Krugman thinks it's a diversionary tactic so that people can avoid dealing with really serious issues they can just blame robots and that way they'll sound trendy and forward-looking but this gives them an excuse not to support policies that really address the causes of weak growth and soaring inequality. Yeah and he evaluates Yang's proposal of a thousand dollars a month as is as Yang has based his whole campaign on the premise. That automation is destroying throwing jobs on Moss and that the answer is to give everyone a stipend one that would fall far short of what decent jobs pay. And this is the line that I actually Kinda like as far as I can tell. He's he's offering an inadequate solution to an imaginary problem. which isn't a way kind of impressive? Right that's typical Krugman stark right there. Doesn't it sound like Some lines ends. I have against Krugman in the. There's a book you you've probably read them aloud. I probably have the folks may know I am the narrator of the book version abyss podcast Con Recruitment which is you go get a Contra Krugman Book Dot Com In a way I'm kind of flattered. That's not that's not doing Bob Justice. It's those are Bob's writings over the years smashing Krugman. It's not merely just a reflection of the podcast. These are original amazing pieces by Bob so check traumatic contract Krugman Book Dot Com. And if you want the audiobook version you'll hear me narrating so anyway. Down with automation as a topic of discussion and up up with income inequality and week private spending as issues when you talk about according to Krugman so You know maybe this is a case of one out of three. Ain't bad add but I guess I know probably where you'll take us but what's your I thought. Well why don't we just deal with a few of these little quick ones here before we get into the heart of the matter. So he's got this offhand remark that as you mentioned the the actual problem here is not automation. It's inadequate private spending and I mean People haven't been spent enough for over a decade at this point according to Krugman and is as far as the I can see so far. Be It for me to challenge you. Know the Krugman's interpretation of Keynesian models but I mean it's it's some point. Put it this way. If people are just hoarding money in they're afraid to spend and there's inadequate demand I mean shouldn't prices adjusted least over a fifteen year period in other words. These wages and prices are really sticky. I mean this is like Super Bowl. Yeah this is insane saints. Yeah it's right so I mean but joking aside I again. I'm sure there's somebody come with some kind of mild that explains this but it in other words it made sense when when they say oh There's a housing bubble popped and some everybody's tightening up. They want to pay down their debt and whatnot. And there's huge drop in demand and oil. Those are all those Chicago school types or those real business cycle people will tell you. Wages and prices automatically adjust but come on. That's not going to happen in the real world. Okay but this point again and it's been at least ten years and he's not saying this is GonNa fix itself in three but we can make it clean clear up in one if we have fiscal policy. He's saying this is going to be as far as so again. I just I don't even see how on their own terms. This makes any sense. I you know I actually hadn't thought of that. The they've been saying this thing and ringing this particular bell for so darn long that you're right I mean I don't know that Ole time Keynesians would have imagined that they could have sustained that explanation over such a long period of time with a straight face. Yeah I mean in fairness ernest. We can then return to the main issue here but I suppose it's not unemployment has been this high this long. He has to say well. We have low unemployment right now but the economy let me at any moment could falter. So you know maybe that's involved in it too that Krugman's saying Oh yeah right now. The labor market clearing but again. It's it's a weird thing where he kind of has to admit that the official measures are all fine and yet you know. Donald trump is brought us to the brink of disaster Let's see I did like this was kind of fun. I don't think you mentioned this in the summertime. Although the summary was a bit of open mic night or something you Kinda. RPI The beat poet or something. I don't know what you're doing but it was good. It was good I liked it. He goes So he's talking about Erin Burnett and he was in crewman was depressed. At the how bad the moderators were and you know again crewmen starts out strong. He start criticizing. CNN You know okay. It says Burnett declared cleared that a recent study shows that quote about a quarter of. US jobs could be lost to automation in just the next ten years and quote. So that's what this Burnett Lady says to summarize in crewmen clarified. What the study actually says is less alarming colon? It finds that a quarter of. US jobs will face quote hi exposure to automation over the next several decades so in case people miss the dichotomy there she summarize. The study is saying a quarter of. US jobs could be lost to automation in the next ten years and actually what the study said was a quarter of US jobs could be exposed automation or have a high exposure automation over the next several decades. which when you compare those two statements are actually quite different? Yeah so groom is right to note that I would just point out. It's ironic because that's that kind of stuff happens in the climate change debate all the time where you know someone will say something. That sounds crazy. Like Cossio. Cortez we have twelve years that sort of thing. That's the epitome of what happens in that debate where they'll say one thing in these more scientific studies and then people will paraphrase it and end up saying something. That's way worse I than what the study actually said And then when I like ruin saying he says what the study actresses less arming core. US jobs will face high exposure over several decades and he says but even if you think that sound if you think even that sounds bad ask yourself when in modern history has that statement not been true. Good yeah so he he started out shrunk so that that was good lasting let me just clarify and then we'll talk about the the big picture of automation and so forth is crew when he's trying to clarify Heinsohn wait a minute. Why is this? Why are people talking about this? Is this some sort of so. Hey in the past automation didn't kill us. You know didn't ruin job growth. Grow things like that and he's all but one might argue that. Hey the future or the past is no guarantee what the future's GonNa hold and Krugman says So you might you might think. The pace of technological change is so much faster and that's why workers are threatened now by automation wears in the past. Those are not to be phony fears. And he says but that's not what the data say on the contrary worker productivity which is how we measure the extent to which workers are being replaced by machines has lately been growing being much more slowly than in the past it rose less less than half as much from two thousand seven to two thousand eighteen as it did over the previous eleven years because the let me just clarify that that might sound really odd to people. Because you're probably thinking well wait a minute. If if workers getting much more productive than it should they be getting replaced by robots all the more so because they're not they weren't making anything so that phrase worker productivity is extremely misleading in this context. What Krugman means by that and? This isn't something idiosyncratic socratic on his part. This how economists use this phrase they just mean you take total output in divided by the number of workers or maybe worker our or something like that. It's just a raw figure not in other words like what's the marginal contribution attributable to more labor and put what just flat out what's total output divided by. Hi worker input as if the workers were the only thing in the imports. And so so that's why he saying So in other other words if robots were coming on the scene and more and more stuff were being produced by robots in the data that would show up as more and more stuff per human human labor our and hence it would look like worker productivity is going through the roof and crew and saying. You don't see that that data so clearly it must not be the case that robots are coming coming in and augmenting things. So that's that's what he's explaining. Let me just mentioned since I brought that up and took the time to explain it. That's why if listeners. If you've seen some of those charts from like E. P. I is the organization. I think it's called the Economic Policy Institute what that stands for is one that I've seen. Has He's charged going around. I'm showing oh since nineteen seventy-three worker. Productivity has gone up two hundred twenty percent but median pain wages have only gone up seventy percent the lowest making those numbers up. But you don't talking about how you've seen that kind of stuff. Yeah that's what this is talking about. So that showed it example of showing how misleading this is for example. Jim Not that this explains everything but if you are of your country all of a sudden found some huge oil deposits in that boosted GDP by ten percent that would make lake worker productivity. Go Way up and then you could look and say oh but man. The average workers not seeing a boost in their pay. Wonder what 'cause you know obviously would be the owners of of those oil deposits would be netting the gains from that and so that that's the kind of thing that's going on there that it's when they call it worker productivity which would lead you to think it was the productivity of the workers but actually that's not really what it means certainly not on the Average or I guess. Actually marginal is is that they The term I should use their so anyway that that's what his argument is. I guess should we talk about you. Know the thing about automation. Yeah probably I mean. I've done a little bit of on the. Tom Would show here and there but I think having interacted with some of the Andrew Yang people on twitter. I'm more or less getting a I think I'm getting a better grasp of their argument because some people are saying these these young people like just the other day for example. There's a politician or guy running for some local office. Somewhere who seems to be a Yang Sorta guy and he was talking about the transition from blockbuster to Netflix. Oh yeah I I saw that and you saw how many jobs were lost at blockbuster. And they're not nearly as many jobs at Netflix. Now of course there are many ways you could look at that and one of them did you. Can I ask you did you do your imagine being this person. Did you deploy that when that guy no on this guy. It was more like because a role do that. I think I said something like imagine looking at the world this way. Oh that's such a huge difference from what I said. No no no because I in other words I when I say imagine. Imagine being this person. It's meant as absolute ridicule. But but this was. I was genuinely flabbergasted that somebody would look at the transition from blockbuster to net flakes and say this is terrible example of how capitalism hollows people out and whatever and that's such the wrong way to think about for a lotteries. It's just one of which is an argument that a lot of people may. which is the Netflix makes movies and therefore employs a lot of people? Who aren't you know? Let's say say in the Netflix Front office but they have a ripple effect of employment all over the place in all the different projects they have going. So they're not just selling movies is or renting movies. The way blockbuster was they have a whole different business model in but anyway but it's not even the point what you're saying. Yeah instead of people just getting one movie for five bucks and then if they don't bring it back on time you know it's another twenty dollars penalty or something better rewind it. Be Kind rewind exactly but for you know for like what fourteen dollars they get eight gazillion things. There's no way that you could look at that and say that's a bad thing but anyway the whole reason I point this out what is when I started in Iraq with people on that I kept getting people saying look we we in the Yangjiang are not saying that we should be luddites and try to halt automation. We're saying that we need to recognize that it's it can be disruptive that it's happening faster than ever before it's displacing more people than ever before and we just want to bring about a softer landing. So it's not. They were insisting to me that they're not stupid idiots. They're just they just want to help. People transitioned addition. Better when we are Communist. We don't mean Soviet Union. That's we're not talking gulags. That's let's just be clear right. Let's be clear. Yeah Fair enough. And that's the problem. I mean you get into this with everybody to write like People who are for trump getting tough on imports will assure you I've read Bass. Yeah I know that I'm not talking about protectionism I'm talking about tariffs to create. US jobs that's what it's uh-huh okay. So I'm being a bit a bit unfair let's say or a bit to how to harsher So why why. Don't I see before I forget it just in terms of a baseline to think about this stuff. It's interesting because on the one hand. Okay we're accumulating more and more robots in. It just assumed that they're the way to think about that. Is like more and more labor coming onto the scene. That's going to push down wages. But what what have you said. We'll know that it's more and more machinery like isn't that hurting the owners of existing capital goods right. Like why aren't they could be like the people who own hammers right now. Isn't that hurting them. That more machineries coming on board right so I just a again not that. That's going to convince anybody but I'm just pointing that out that it's it's odd that this thing that humans create that helps in the production of goods and services that comes on the scene. Were assuming is A substitute for Labor when it's also a substitute for our other capital equipment. And so and yet. I don't see people lamenting the fact that people won't factories right now are going to be devastated when some new machine comes on that renders their existing existing structure obsolete Another thing quick thing too is just even if that were true in the salt. Okay so go out and dissolutions solutions. People should go buy some real estate that you know in other words if if it's really going to be this future where labour especially unskilled or lower skilled labor is just so plentiful plentiful that nobody's GonNa earn much selling that okay in that kind of a world. Then that means the owners of real estate are GONNA be phenomenally wealthy right. That's going to be relatively scares. That's GonNa Command high rents in so what people right now should be doing is not going in voting for Andrew Yang and trying to get a U B. I installed because that might not work. That's that's that's a risky. What you should do is just save up and buy some ranch land somewhere and then if that scenario comes your turns out to be true where robots are producing using everything who's going to be the trillionaires in that universe? It's going to be the people who own fix assets like real estate so that's again another so in other words it's I. It might not be a good investment right now with the normal trajectory. But if you're worried about twenty percent of the population being permanently displacing. They can't get a job in that ED world that's only happening because these robots are so productive that you know human labors rendered obsolete in that kind of a world owning real estate is going to be extremely valuable. So that's that's that's another thing too again just being consistent with it I guess the last thing. I'll say here time just in terms of you know armchair reasoning and how to think about it imagine if each robot robot is introduced sequentially so right now you know. In the beginning they introduced one robot in all it can do is a very particular thing like Flip burgers and serve them. McDonald's or you know in fast food places what would that do. Yes that would mean. No human being could be employed lead flow flipping burgers and serving them at a fast food restaurant. But then it also means Ham McDonald's burgers and other things would be really cheap so everybody else would benefit from that in the losers would just be the small portion of the population that had been employed in that one thing but everybody else would be much better off in that would be true for every every subsequent thing you introduced. It's sort of like the argument for Free Trade that yeah any particular import. The consumers of that benefit by having the import come in whereas the people who had been making that one specific thing they might be hurt looking it just that one issue and so then the question is okay as we introduced more and more of those those things. What's the net effect going to be on the average person and I'd say probably it's going to be that they benefit from getting all these other goods and services at ridiculously cheap prices says even though the one thing they used to do now? Also it's there's a lot of competition there because the robots can do your job for you in the ultimate logical limited. This look at the the jetsons world. I've I've said this before. It's worth repeating that you know what happens in the George Jetson Universe is the humans just go around pressing a few buttons in the machines. Make everything in far from them being devastated in poor. That's what it would look like if you were incredibly rich or look. At the Star Trek the next generation university machines you know ripple caters that can make things at least on a small scale. Yeah you don't need humans to be tied up doing mundane tasks and far from. Oh now. We're all devastated stated. Now that's what it would look like if you had the closest thing to a utopia that she could have this side of scarcity so again with these these things. It's I think it they had to thread the needle better like in other words. A lot of this stuff. People are warning about far from it being a calamity. It's like no in general people who are real optimistic about the far flung future. That's exactly what they say would have happened. And so it's weird that we're fearing this. Do we want to also say something about why. It's wrong to say that what the economy needs now is a boost in public investment. So called I mean. I think I'm Phil Phil sure we've hit this before. Because Krugman's argument has been with interest rates. So low you know the Federal Government can borrow at almost nothing and so. Why wouldn't we want to do that since we have to rebuild our bridges and stuff? Anyway that kind of thing I mean yeah just off cough well for one thing. That stuff shouldn't be quote publicly owned the they they should privatize that stuff. So in general the reason that these things that are controlled by the government are always in such disrepair is because they're controlled by the government. It's not because of the nature of her is not because of heartless Republicans You had rose that were privately owned in addition to not having as many potholes. You also wouldn't have traffic jams. Jams is a regular thing because they would charge tolls accordingly. And so there'd be more expensive as rioted during rush hour than the traffic would thin out and because the high profits they would bill Moore Blah Blah Blah Blah. Just like you know. It's not that Movie theaters on opening night. You can never get a cedar or people are piling on top of that sort of thing thing that private businesses when they can control the flow of traffic over there or to get access to their products. They do it a much. More efficient way in sensible way than government run subways roads. So that's that's one thing is ours it. Yeah and of course the Keynesian argument again. They crewman's been saying we need to suspending for for ten years now so it's I I don't think that's the reason that the economy's bad but I don't want to lead people to believe that we we rehearse these or plans episodes out because by the way if we did and this was the result that would be severe disappoint. Yeah so don't want them getting that impression brush but I have a funny feeling. There may be a so-called Krugman contradiction with a K.. In particular column. What would that be well? It it turns out yeah Krugman. This column has everything Good Economics Tribune saying some ridiculous things and the cherished crewmen contradiction. So he's he's talking about Elizabeth. It's interesting your hypothesis Tom. That may be Krugman's trying to pivot away from Warren. And maybe you know. Be Open to a standard I. I don't know whether that's what's going on here. I think he's clearly still trying to salvage warrants so just to set the context he says Elizabeth Warren Question Brunettes. Its premise saying that. The principal reason we're losing jobs is trade policy that is encouraged jobs to move overseas. This claim was slammed by the fact checkers at the associated Associated Press who declared that automation was the primary culprit manufacturing job loss between two thousand and two thousand ten. And so. Now here's Krugman. You know defending her as it happens. Warren was more right than the supposed. Fact checkers reasonable estimates. Say the trade was responsible for a large share share of manufacturing job loss in the decade before the great recession. So that jumped out at me because no because Donald Trump has been blaming being the loss particularly among coal miners but just more generally you know manufacturing job. He's been what blaming that. On outsourcing to China and Krugman has always been saying you know Donald Trump was completely full of it. Trade has very little to do with these job movements right and so I just make sure I'm not crazy. I went to look it up and I founding founding example so this is from May nineteen two thousand fifteen the title of this trade in the decline of US Manufacturing Employment Cruden starts out in two thousand. Fifteen post is mad iglesias notes many people believe that. US manufacturing has disappeared because it has all moved to China and Mexico Phyo but they're largely wrong okay and so that's what Elizabeth Warren was saying. And then just seal the deal. I'm not going to go through the arguments he gives. But the concluding paragraph of Twenty fifteen post is this for the most part in other words. Declining manufacturing employment isn't due to trade again that doesn't mean that trade deficits are okay or that trait hasn't had other effects but even if we'd had a highly protection world or in some other way had blocked the move into the trade deficit. We'd still have seen most of the great decline in industrial jobs. So here Tom you might have thought no Bob. That's not a contradiction with a K.. That's just a flat-out contradiction with a C.. And I thought well maybe it has to do the timing because you know when. He's defending warn. He says for you know before the great recession but no I mean crew was saying twenty fifteen includes that period. So here's what I think it is time you ready. Okay if you look Krugman. When he's defending Warren? He doesn't say I Paul Krugman Stink. This is what's what's going on. He says reasonable estimates say that trade was responsible for a large share of manufacturing job loss. And as that medical acs posts sad ad that was the news hook to say a lot of people have been saying this but actually. I don't think that's right so I think that's what's going on. I think in this column crewmen is just of referring to the fact that yeah a lot of people have been saying that even though crewman's on record before zing and those people are all wrong. I think that's what's going on. Maybe so so. That was fun. It's good to be back in the saddle here like this. Yeah that's that's exactly how I would put it all right well. There's your search for those of you who want to have a Krugman column with some economics that we can talk about there. You go you got him. You got linked to Contra Krugman DOT COM slash two. Oh nine and give you one more thing. Yeah this course we can yes about besides you know all the incentives and and this and that and You know og how would you just even superficially the idea that Oh because we're all this automations coming on and huge portions sounds of the labor force are just going to be unemployable. In the way we're going to solve that is to have the federal government just institute this new Dole to get everybody on that in an in a and I think I said this in previous episodes time where a lot of billionaires are on board with this stuff I mean in terms of of this is that the future we want. Where a a few billionaires own all the robots in most of the population just sits back? You know playing video games and getting checks from the government in terms of a totalitarian future. It your state that that's kind of what it would look like right. I mean so it's it's not merely that I'm saying well no actually is impractical I. It's just the whole vision. It gives me the creeps so I just want to say that. Yeah and by the way I gave you an awkward pause to complete the TRIFECTA and by way more than three things but I couldn't think of a word that's awesome as Trifecta that includes more than three things I I just met all the features you look for in a Contra Krugman episode the only thing that's missing is the promotion of Contra groups. I would say that is the only thing that's missing But you know what let's solve that we're doing the contra cruise again October seventeen th through the twenty fourth twenty twenty and Scott. Horton's joining us. And Dave Smith is joining us. And if you're a long-time listener of this podcast or the top would show or the Bob Murphy show you know those people you know how great that's going to be so you can go to contract cruise dot com sign up get an early bird special bonus so there. I think that does that is we have now covered every base there. You go excellent. 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I've been meaning to catch up with you on what you're up to because you were I don't know maybe in a bit of transition transition the last time we spoke. What exactly is your primary work these days? And what institution are you with. Like what exactly are you up to right now. Oh so I've spent most of the past two years spending time with my wife and kids riding a couple of different books and and kind kind of catching my breath. After spending a number of years fighting the belly of the beast as they say so I just have my own small business. We started in elderberry vary syrup business as part of our farm. That's been really really successful that we're hoping to really scale up this year. Wrote a few different books folks enjoyed some time with my young kids as you understand. It's it's always like the challenge of Adad. Were like the time you most need to be working. The most to provide for your family is also like those critical years when your kids are small and stuff so so. That's really the big things I've been into the past few years. Well I thought in addition addition to this important conference putting on which will talk about in a little while you might update us on just the general topic a topic that you follow very very very closely of government regulation and of and intervention into food and farming and the sorts of things going on that a casual observer over like me would know about it is obviously. There's the big picture issues going on right now. Involving you know the trade war with China and you know how that impacts it's made out to be a very big deal in terms of its impact on American farmers and it is a big deal but it's only a big deal because is the government already so messed up the food and farming economy in the United States in. Oh so if we hadn't turned everything from Ohio to Colorado into an endless sea of soy and corn. Then you know we wouldn't then have to be bailing out farmers whenever we get into geopolitical geopolitical. Kerr tussles with other nations. So obviously there's some of that big of the people are aware of you know on kind of like the small day today a day level. The Bismuth Food Safety Modernization Act is finally being implemented in. That had some really interesting stuff pop up so far. A for instance. It's been targeting from what I've been told by a number of different people in different states feed melts so You know places that have a lot of farmers especially smaller farmers who aren't vertically integrated or part of Tyson and purdue and other vertically integrated operations operations these local feed mills. Were you go to buy feed for your animals and a lot of the feed mills now are both increasing pricing being increasing minimum order sizes and passing things on to their local farmers because Bismah is in snaring and entangling tangling a lot of businesses. That no one really imagined her new. We're going to get caught up in this new regulatory Schema and so that's going to be really really interesting as they continue to roll out his Ma and to see how that like trickles through especially the alternative food economy since generally speaking you know when regulations head they say it's about you know keeping the big guy in check but it's the little Oh guy who always pays the price talk to me about you. Were telling me about the cottage food folks. Apparently the rise of this phenomenon seems to irritating the regulators. Why should that be? Yeah so yeah so you know just a few weeks ago. In Louisville there is. I guess it's considered the nation's premier ear biggest food safety conference and a couple of people I know Wynton attended and they were sharing how that it came up in a number of different sessions. Shins that you know these people in the basically corporate food system. The regulatory food system really really don't like the increasing saying growth and diversity of the cottage food alternative that some different states have adopted in different ways and you basically basically so readers kind of understand listeners. Understand what we're talking about you know. Usually cottage food is food. That's produced right in. Someone's home ob Bob. So it doesn't have to be done in a certified kitchen You know it's not generally subject to state or federal inspection so so it's a regulators worst nightmare because it's something that they don't get to regulate and different states have different different things you're allowed to do under cottage food. And because of the work of the Institute for Justice quite a few states have adopted and much improved greatly expanded cottage food laws over the past five to six years so starting to become a really viable will a way to start a small business and a lot of these states. But a lot of the regulatory people really don't like these laws because you know they is going to cause a mass outbreak. Everybody's GonNa die if they can buy a loaf of bread out of somebody else's kitchen instead of buying it from Kroger some type rationale so so it's a very very interesting area because I know in the states that have adopted more expensive cottage food bills they have have seen an explosion and small businesses. They can operate under those exemptions. which is you know exactly what you and I would expect? Because the biggest reason we don't don't have more small businesses in America is the barrier to entry if you have to go through a certified kitchen and all these other hoops and regulations you know. Basically makes it impossible or somebody who's wanting to pursue their dreams and their ideas. Let's talk about this further because I I'm not sure this is quite qualifies but nevertheless it does call to mind something from my past about ten years ago. I was living in Auburn Alabama and there was a woman on my street who made the most delicious chicken salad you've ever eaten. I mean I didn't even like chicken salad. That's early so I thought then I had hers and I just couldn't stop eating it and pretty soon. We were all addicted to it and then one day it stopped being produced and the reason why she got a threatening unless gleaning to her that she did not qualify to be vendor of chicken salad because she didn't have a kitchen that could be inspected. You know all this sort of thing. Right she was making it out of her home. So we're all having withdrawal from having no chicken salad. It was unbelievable. So what that wound up doing was causing her to it. Decide to go into business have an industrial sort of oven and kitchen and so she started a chain that is now very successful throughout the southeastern the United States called Shit Salad Chick and that came out of her efforts in in Auburn Alabama. Being shut down and stymied aid because she was just opting out of her own kitchen. There's there's no way anybody other than a competing. Chicken Salad Seller was responsible for having that letter percent tour. I mean that's no way it was that she made much better chicken salad. Anybody else but she did wind up having the last laugh as I say because now she has crazily successful chain gene franchise operation. But is that kind of like what you're talking about. Yeah well and and that's what like in a number of states. Yes because there is so many people operating in grade a black areas one reason cottage food laws have been adopted is to allow people to do with. That lady was doing so they can grow to the point. Where even though it's not pleasant And even though Oh. I don't think they really shouldn't have to. They can then transition into the full regulatory system once they reach a certain size and scale. Because there's just so many people going rogue and say well. I'm going to do this any way Hopefully by the time I finally get the letter. I'll be big enough at that point to to make the jump into this other system in nod habits squash my dreams and destroy my business. Let's let's talk about how farmers are doing these days and let's start first of all. What do you think about? The claim that the trump tariffs tariffs have had this kind of boomerang effect on farmers that that a lot of people predicted they would have that farmers are selling less abroad. Is that really having thing not affect on their bottom line or what. What factors overall contributing to the state of American and what is the state of American farmers for that matter will it? The first thing is the state. The State of American farmers has been bad for decades. So you know we basically have like three four bad decades gaid's with occasional goodyear's like American farmers as a few people have put. It are the ultimate welfare Queens You know you look at the amount of money that the federal government funnels especially the corn soy growers through insurance programs and other other stuff. And it's just a flabbergasting amount of money to prop up of foreign policy adopted. You know fifty some years ago and you know so. We'll we come to today to this issue with the tariffs to how that impacts farmers. I just kind of sit here and go it like if we hadn't turned everything from Ohio to Colorado into an endless sea of corn soy. We wouldn't have all of these his problems every time we get into geopolitical tough with another nation And and if we weren't using food as a foreign policy tool all the way to influence into other stuff and if we didn't have this mistaken idea that we have to feed the world and we have to do it at. US taxpayer expense. It is that's the problem with the farming issue. Is it kind of robes in you know. Geopolitics takes economics new in foreign policy. And so much else that ugly is just sad The the the rural the state of Rural America is a nightmare. I think it may have been the New York Times. They even ran an article basically arguing that like large portions of rural. America are basically like the new gadoe. They're just so economically crippled so riddled with drugs. Thanks Alcohol Havi unemployment. And that's just the end result of you know thirty forty years of not just his farm policy but by really just a regulatory environment that has strangled all sorts of jobs out of America and enforce them overseas to where they could be done. Competitively would do you think the. US government's food and farming policy. OUGHT TO BE I. I like what New Zealand did where New Zealand basically figured might have been in the early two thousands where they just realized that you know freedom is the way to go for their farmers and they need to quit trying to subsidize and pick winners. Here's in losers and try and balance supply and demand it. There's an article circulating on facebook. Recently you know about how in Michigan again You know the government forced farmers to let you hundreds of thousands of pounds of cherries wrought in the orchards. Rather that allow them to sell them because of you know production quotas and price controls in things and it just. It doesn't work We should lad. I'd farmers and consumers build a food economy that will actually work. Can that isn't dependent on tens of billions of dollars there's of annual bailouts to make it happen and the New Zealand model was great. 'cause you know basically it was very ron. Paul like where they realised realized the government had totally fudged up the food and farming sector in New Zealand and so they realized they couldn't just go cold Turkey so they provided abided a number of years of transitional services the farmers they said. Hey you know like in three years the welfare ends all this kind of stuff ads. All this nonsense is going away so you have three years of some supports in programs to help you transition into a model where our government is going to be doing this stuff anymore and now New Zealand has a really robust very successful very resilient farm economy and it's great and it would be amazing if America would do something like that but the special interests definitely do not wanna see something like that happened here. Do you talk got to a lot of ordinary farmers in the course of what you do. Yeah we'll 'cause we live in farmland in Kentucky and we raise animals so I feed directly really from a neighbor and tons of my neighbors are farmers and on occasion. I'll go to the cattle stockyard auction sale And basically basically get to drink like take a long deep drink of despair at the at the you know the auction. That happens down the road all the time. Yes so I get to talk to farmers both in my area and then you know I still get phone calls from farmers all over the nation when they're being harassed by government people and and then you know one of the few things facebook is really great for is a lot of the groups. I'm a part of on facebook. Let me connect with farmers and homesteaders all over the country. So yes so I get to talk with a wide swath of different kind of farmers in grow basis and probably the typical farmer or is not rigidly ideological so doesn't look at the world through that kind of Lens. But what do they want. Can you generalize. Oh I don't think you can. I don't know if farmers know what they want anymore The like farmer bankruptcies farmer suicides aid I think the age of the average farmer armor in America now might be in the high sixties that might have even broken into the low seventies because very few kids kids want to go into farming when their parents retire. And so I think it's hard to say because farmers are not a monolithic bloc lauck culturally at all anymore so and there's a very big divide in terms of like the farming community eighty in terms of like those who are commodity growers who are caught up in the corn. Soy in other commodity grain growing system you know versus versus farmers who are vegetable growers. Farmers who are in dairy dairy has just been an absolute catastrophe in the United States states. Over the past. Couple of years I know like the dairy prices have just plummeted. Your Ganic dairy industry became a disaster. Very quickly it is. I think the biggest thing is the farmers are just so beaten up from again a decade after decade of of debt and negative net farm income and just hoping that the government checks at the end of the year will be enough to push them back into profitability. You I think most of them haven't really stepped back enough to think about. What would they want if they could get something different it is? They've lived so long in survival mode. John I WANNA talk about your conference because it's full of interesting stuff and interesting people doing things that are going to inspire us. Because they're acting really boldly against a regulatory apparatus. That's that's very difficult to crack through their operating against against a lot of entrenched ways of thinking and it's very inspiring so we'll get to that just as soon as we talk to the folks here folks continue. I won't take a quick break to console you if you are or like the typical Tom would show listener. You have about Oh. I don't know eight hundred seventeen books somewhere on or around your nightstand and you know as well as I do. You're never gonNA get all so how about this for a life hack. Blinking is the only APP that takes the best key takeaways. 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Let's move on for a minute Senate now and talk about your conference. It's coming up in January. Twenty Twenty January twenty fifth twenty twenty. which by the way guarantee? I can't be there 'cause that's my daughter's tenth birthday but I wish the best. I've always said that I will never miss a birthday travel reasons but or for any reason to the call. That's that's true. If she were older than ten. Maybe maybe I would but The website is rogue food conference dot com so rogue meaning in. What way are you folks rogue so this conference was Joel? Salatin idea. In about three years ago he approached me about it and and at the time he was just too booked up to really pursue it but but basically it's a conference Ito you can go to hundreds of websites hundreds hundreds of conferences that will teach you to try and comply it oh to jump through all the hoops to cross all the t's and dot the I's is in tried to reply with the ever growing regulatory state But where can you go if you want to learn how to circumvent rather than comply and that is what this conference is all about. It is a bunch of really really interesting people who I cannot wait. It's a meet some of them in person who basically were just like. I'm GONNA find a way to do this anyway in GonNa do it. You know by circumventing being the regulatory system so one of the people who speaking as a lady by the name of Nitty Bali and she's in North Carolina and from what I understand. North Carolina is just a disaster when it comes to free speech about health and nutrition so my understanding is like there's a guy who had a really successful blog because he treated his diabetes like Akito Paleo Type Diet and the Rd lobby the registered disturb dieticians and stuff in North Carolina. They had the licensing board basically. Like go after this guy brutally or you know giving nutritional national advice without a license and so she is also in North Carolina and she wanted to be able to speak freely about you know her thoughts on the the health benefits of certain foods in certain diets and she also wanted to be able to distribute food to people Especially foods that the regulatory state often frowns upon foods like raw milk in unwashed eggs and all kinds of other stuff so she started a five. Oh One Z.. Three Food Church so she took the the constitutional legal protections of church in the legal format of a five a one c three and like mash them together to create an entity entity that thus far has completely stymied the regulators in her state so so she's gone rogue wow okay. That's an example. Yeah another great. One is Comey's Davis. WHO's out of Portland? I believe she wanted to do local meat. And you know to do meet in America if you want if I wanted to sell you a pork chop from one of my pigs. It has to go through a multimillion dollar. USDA inspected butchering facility and CAMIS realized. She didn't have multiple millions of dollars laying around to build a buttering facility so she founded. What's known as I believe? Save the Portland meet cooperatives. And it's an educational cooperative. That leads them. Do local meat without falling under regulatory reaper view. And it's just amazing what they've done and what they're doing So the conference is going to be both practice coal role and inspirational it. Add really were hoping conversationalist we want people to come. We want people to see some of these really innovative innovative models so that they will continue to innovate around the regulatory state. And come up with even other new adopt stop some of these options in their own areas or innovate new ideas that that allow them to pursue their dreams and food and farming. And you know basically as a way to push back so I'm very excited about some of the speakers and a whether they're going to be able to talk about an in different front ways different ways. They're playing ball in the insanely over. over-regulated food and farming sphere congressman. Thomas Massie apparently is one of your speakers and he's a tremendous guy to listen to so it definitely sounds like something that people with an interest in this and by the way. That's a big chunk of my audience will want to attend so where exactly so taking place. It's taking place at the Cincinnati Airport Erin Kentucky Because the airport is actually on the Kentucky side of the Ohio River and so it's January twenty fifth it you know. We've we've tried to make it a super affordable event because we want a lot of people who have dreams of starting a small business in this area usually don't have gobs of money And you the great thing is like Joel. Who dreamed up the event Holly faces donating food for the event. A bunch of other farmers are so right down to the menu view. It's all going to reflect the type of food and farming economy and dreams. We have So it's GonNa be a real good time. January twenty fifth the website once again is rogue food conference Dot Com. I'm linking to it at Tom. Woods dot com slash fourteen. Seventy six. So if you're driving around just thank fourteen cortines seventy-six get back and we'll have the link up there. Well I hope it's a big success for you. I Love I just love examples of people just fighting back or just doing things without would ask permission just carrying on as if they live in a free society. And it's it's it's tremendous and I'm glad you're at the forefront of it keeping an eye on what's going on so that the rest of us can be informed. Thanks thanks so much John Best of luck great. Thanks all right folks one quick note for you if you have a website. Don't let that thing be Lazy Bum. Not pulling its weight. Make sure you monetize that thing thing. I got a little over the shoulder video where I show you half a dozen ways. I monetize my websites. And if you'd like to know what I'm doing how I'm doing it you can watch that video yourself self. Check it out at Tom. Woods dot com slash monetize. And I will see you tomorrow and tomorrow you cannot miss tomorrow. Fourteen seventy seven about public education education and the stories. We're GONNA find out from somebody on the inside. 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Oh shows last night we got a lot to talk about. Obviously no ratings numbers in everyone's always thinking about those Thursday afternoon always a fun time on social media the numbers come out. We don't have numbers yet but the early markets are indicating that age w down slightly from last week. These are early market numbers. Sometimes they're accurate. Sometimes we're not. We'll find out in about our so no early indications for the annex t show. Oh so we'll see you. What the bill for the survivor series has done for an extreme? They didn't announce any main roster talent appearing on in exte- this week there was in the last ten seconds of the show. Bailey showed up and laid out. Shane obeys but that was the only appearance by any main Rosser talent on the shelves. So we'll see if that led to an increase we'll see if the AJ styles oh see stuff led to an increase. We'll see if the full gear pay per view led to an increase for aws. W all of that. We will know over the next couple of days but we do have ratings numbers for the W. E. A.. Backstage show no announcement of Siham punk. He also showed up at the very end of the show but the show did double the viewership from the week before forty nine thousand viewers for the show last week. One hundred thousand viewers for this past Tuesday to addition of backstage on F S One. So guess we'll see what see and punk does for the show. People thinking that Debbie backstage is GonNa beat raw. Aw It's not it's not even come close but we'll see how much of a boost in punk gives to this one show. We have lots of announcements regarding survivor. ABOR series wargames yes we have matches for. TLC They just WanNa make me mad. We'll talk about those plus two shows last night. Lots of into we'll pick it up after the break wrestling observer live. 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And I thought the finish of the main event was just awesome is perfect. They did Esi you. The TAG team champions ends versus Chris Jericho Sammy Ivar for the tag team. Titles and I'm sure everybody figured Samay Var was going to do the job. But he did it. Scorpio Sky Pinned Chris Jericho in the middle of the ring. Jericho's first loss in a W it was so great because Scorpio. Sky's one half of the world tag team champions. This is not just some random geek like this is the tag team version of the world championship. So yeah he should be able to be Chris Jericho in a tag team match. Now they're gonNA have a singles match down the road and Chris Jericho. It's probably going to win and you could argue that this one's fifty fifty but it's not because the world singles champion should be able to beat the world tag team champion. It a singles match. They got over for Scorpio Sky. Chris Jericho furious afterwards. He pitched this huge fit. He was so angry about losing. I decide everything about that. was great an exterior building up. The war games show Angel Garcia rush was just a fantastic match. Just loved that match the Keithly Roderick Eric Strong match I really liked. I didn't think it was a great letter match in the main event but it was good. Mia Yim quite frankly took more damage than Moxley or mega. Ah in the controversial match from Saturday. She got her nose just destroyed her face. All swollen fell off through a ladder bridge outside. She's fine but it was absolutely brutal. So Yoshahara gets the She wins the double sided coin. The coin flip I guess at the wargames Shell but another great Wednesday night up professional wrestling action. It is Wednesday. Is the Monday night when it comes to the war and when he comes to enjoyable enjoyable banter between the two shows For anything about ratings or any of that sort of stuff the good usually outweighs the bad on both shows combined bovine. We got that last night. Leo Russian and Angel. Garza I keep having to remember that. It's he's not Hector Garza's son. He is his His his nephew Angel Garza is but I I look at him and I think about Hector Garza Junior and I think about him in. WCW and he the push he was going to get an impact that unfortunately went sideways and what his father his uncle could have been in America. Maybe Angel Guards that can be that you know. He doesn't have the size that is uncle did but he's going to get bigger. He's going to fill out as the years go on and he is so good and so comfortable with who he is right now Leo rush for any of the headache said he has provided for. WWe Is perfect in the position that he is in and and at cruiserweight championship is perfect in the position that it's in being represented on Annex T in front of people that want to see it be defended. I thought they did an excellent job. Bob Neom once again showed that she is one of the baddest women on the absolute entire planet. She was brutal the fall through the ladder but that that whole thing came across well or came across. Great actually I thought with everybody being laid out as well to at the End Bailey. The sneak attack laying out Shane of Basil. And you think well how can barely touch shadab as they did that perfectly. You know. It's the only way I'm gonNA figure gets the advantage over a former UFC fighters so that turned out to be great in on on the aws side. Like you mentioned the Chris Jericho show it was something else and I know people are. Some people are a little bit salty over the fact that the AWA view world champion lost only weeks into the show starting and want to compare this to the young bucks losing and some other things but to me. It's like eighty six flare. You know Jericho can be involved with everybody on that roster and in some ways probably should be to give them credibility and I think that's what they were doing a Scorpio sky like you mentioned and he is a world tag team champion. He should be on a little bit of a higher level he should be able to compete. But I also think back to when Chris Jericho won that title and he was walking around backstage and he was saying. Hey look at this. You're not getting a shot at this Scorpio sky and he kept going. You know a lot of those little things that they keep keep dropping in there that played in the background so much of it is feels like a direct line being drawn to it and everything actually matters whether it actually matters or not. I thought that that was a nice touch. And a nice call back to think about that. And obviously Scorpio. Sky Is going to be somebody that there you know. He's he's more than I just think it's attack champion. You know. He's he's he's one of those guys at eighty w you know that hasn't been said that could end up coming out of this whole thing with Wednesday night wars with you. Know the the biggest movement on their star because he's He's got to be a player for a while. So all in all. I mean you know you could talk for days and and then we'll see what the people think about it as well too but another just awesome night so a we unfortunately have some some rough book ends on Mondays and Fridays but yet yeah one say he's been fantastic for says just released a video and Kitty Omegas match aftermath. Hit a huge black eye anywhere that if he injured his orbital bone in this high risk on the boards. All I know is immediately after the show a couple of hours later. I was told no injuries in that match so I would presume just makeup makeup. GotTa Lotta News here. Coming out of the shows. The first four of the five members of the smackdown survivor series. Women's division team have been revealed. The Old Lacey Evans has been edited to team smackdown for their triple threat elimination match. We have also got the men's elimination match. We've got the lineup there. So basically this is survivor series. Brock leser Raymond Stereo Becky Lynch Bailey. Shayna Dana Baseler in a three way. Aj Shinsuke Nakamura Roderick strong three way. Viking Raiders New Day undisputed era three way name and then the team rod team smackdown five on five for the men and the women for the war games match team. Baiser has its final member. Berm the posting by triple h last night. Kaley Ray will officially be on team days later so it is replete legal knocks. Kansas Lori and museum for Shane Obeys Bianca. Baylor Yoshahara and Kelly Ray for the women we have got Dominic di Jakovic replacing Matt Riddle. So it's CIAMPA Keith. Lead Die Jakovic and somebody else resent them Cole. Roderick strong Kyle O'Reilly and bobby the fish it is now met riddle versus Finn ballor riddle replacing Johnny Gargano takeover show. That sounds awesome and just to make me mad the lineup for TLC. Thus far and this is the lineup. Roman Eamon rains King Corbett in a TLC match russa versus Bobby Lashley and yes Oscar and Kyrie's Sane versus Charlotte and Becky in details see match. So when the tell you submitted Oscar Ed was replaced in the title match by Becky Lynch because she couldn't be there and Becky Lynch proceeded to lose in that that match the tell Ya still is not getting her match. Even though the challengers lost they're getting a rematch in a TLC match coach at the pay per view. Get Out of here GonNa make this is the worst booking of twenty nine thousand nine hundred so far. Nothing's close you sure. Oh yeah named something close. This is so beyond nonsensical no. That's lineup everybody. 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I did get a few results and they were down slightly but I got nothing on an xt so obviously we've got another ladder match coming up next week. I presume that the the ladder ladder matches for the The advantage vantage right two straight ladder matches on television. The seems like overkill is it. Just me My you know it does seem like the ladder matches probably I mean it's if they win for the women and they gotta do one for the men they're trying to eke quill but yeah. I mean definitely overdoing ladder matches. It feels like sure what are your what are your thoughts actually especially running into TLC pay per view and a couple of weeks six thoughts on the smackdown or the survivor series. Pay Per view in the sense that we do have brand versus is brand versus brand which I think they figure is going to be like a big drive though late literally. We just came off the wild card yet. But it's new and annexed. He hasn't been involved at different French. Titles on the line those matches not a nose matches but there's a Leshner rim stereo. I think it'll show less than ray I think so. Yeah pretty it's red white bread white and gender. Brian title match. Yeah so what is the Daniel Bryan Bray Wyatt Story. As far as what did they have planned. And what does it look like right now. I don't know oh I don't know I mean I just saw that that was was stood for that's listed for the show they did angle on smackdown to start it. I presume they'll continue the Angolan on tomorrow. So did you get. I'm sure you've got mcquarters for rob. How did this Roussev Lashley lawn segment this week? It was up I believe eighty five thousand viewers. I mean it was it was one of the more. You know It was one of the biggest gainers of the show. Yeah I mean it wasn't like I wouldn't wouldn't call it overwhelming success but it was up. Yeah it's one of the biggest gainers on the show so we had to layer of this and it and it was late in the show when everything was falling and it was it gained against the football game so yeah it was a gainer so they've moved. TLC So we have to have another month of this At least probably more than that. I don't know that I don't know how long this goes. But yeah at least through mid December. Because that's the first man the first pay per view matches just December fifteen and. I don't believe it's a one match program. I think it's going to be multiple match program. I mean what's the endgame here. Like how clue I have no clue I have no clue it gets US woman back. That was just so diabolical and cheated on him. I don't even understand. Where does this even go? It goes. We'll circle in summary. Comes back I I think at the end you know. I don't know but I think at the end. Maybe they get back together just because who knows but who knows who knows. I mean I guess I kissed that. They probably know where it's going. I think they probably end up back together. WE'LL SEE I. You know I all I know is where is that. It's it's it's GonNa it's GonNa keep going for a while that's all I know. I'm so sad into these numbers being the the rating ratings are you know in everybody lives in is with them. Now because it's the key metric you know which is good or bad. That's what it is. Well liver divide. I mean for people oh who are not subscribers of wrestling's dot com and shame on them and they didn't hear us seems of radio yesterday or this morning. Can you talk about the last minute of the show and exactly what the number one million fifty nine thousand viewers but that was the last minute of the show but yeah that's an incredibly low number. Yeah Yeah I when I saw that it. It was like who Mike tells me. You'RE NOT GONNA turn to the football game. Not Everybody turned into the football game the last minute and if they did what does that. Say for your show in that last minute well it was after the pin so put still. I mean the show did have the biggest drop from our our three in the history of raw. So I mean you you know whatever it is I mean that last minute was was really spectacularly bad but the pattern really was bad but again also up against a really strong football bugging strongest football game in a long long time a much stronger than anything so far this season so there is an excuse. It was a taped show. I don't know if that really means a lot but the football football game means a lot here anything new on Johnny Gargano today his status. No nothing Nothing that we didn't already talk about. He's got a neck injury and he's out. Yeah it's bad really too bad so many things on that show. I should say there are so many things but I mean coming off the Johnny Gargano Injury and then I'm watching that ladder match ladders gets drop kicked right into someone's face in their face explodes. It's just like you know. There was a lot of criticism about that Moxley Omega match on on on Saturday and certainly wasn't my favorite match. I I ever saw bud. I mean both those guys came out of it with a lot less damage than Johnny Gargano and me. This look. There's interest every week in wrestling. I I mean that's just the reality of the the nature and it's funny because people are doing fewer dates but they're doing you know like look bladders or thrown around when when we start working with gimmicks like when you're working with your your body it's one thing but when you start working with gimmicks or you're doing brain busters on the floor and things like that. I mean. Yeah yeah the injury risk is gonNA go up It's not a it's not a good thing and it's funny because like every company's trying to be safer I mean that's part of the thing but right the competition trying to go farther is driving people to do things you do a lot of things I knew it was if you have any updates on John Morrison insincere signed and nothing nothing nothing. I don't know when the starts supposed to be but Yeah maybe I don't know what his status is other than you know. He was going to go in there at some point. This person says in regards to annex t are there any long-term stories in place or are they just booking week to week. Now that it's life I presume that they've got a lot of long term stories in place but uh-huh it seems clear from last week that they've got a direction much like they used to but if something comes up like they'll change change everything around to accommodate it like well you'll see aj thing. I'm sure that was not a long-term plan right right right right right right right here. That changed I mean yeah. It's a combination of two things. I mean you reacting to ratings and things like that you know you got that angle that obviously I don't think Bailey was going to be on this show. Bailey was pregnant. Stay on the European tour but they felt they needed someone from the main roster to keep the momentum going and keep the unpredictability going so yeah. It's a combination of both. I think that the live television does lead to more changes for that very reason but I mean as far as long term. You know who's GonNa be the champion. I think that those plants are still pretty far are laid out but like an injury is going to change everything to and that's that's always been the case you know when to your. Wb You're always at the mercy of something you know. Every company are always at the mercy. The of injuries come something happens. Then you've gotta re change everything you know. So that's just the nature of modern booking is that you want to have long-term turn plans but you've you know a lot of times. Things are going to happen. That you've gotta make changes and sometimes you just make changes in throw everything off course to which I haven't seen in an extent but it does happen on the main roster regularly especially if you have any update on pay per view buys for full gear. Nothing right at this moment. No what would be a scary number. Eighty seventy five. It's interesting because like thinking about this. The other day like the idea that they would get television and dropped to eighty or fifty. I mean you got to also remember. They went against something that nobody expected. You know like they try. They booked these dates to avoid big competition and then they ended up with like bigger competition. The neigh- ever would have expected with Logan. Paul Chaos I fight. I mean that thing be canales numbers which I mean is just unheard of if he Joshua's numbers in the really talking about as far as numbers as far as No I don't think a lot of people understand when you say beat those numbers. Like what numbers are we talking about here. It was the most watched show. And the most signed-up show history zone beginning. All the fights fights that have been under zone which are some big ones including co fight. Let me talk about one hundred thousand five hundred thousand a million million. Yeah something in that range and and and let me see and then I don't know what the number in the UK was the biggest pay per view of the year in the UK and Joshua's had several papers using the UK. Okay this year so Joshua Josh was not that big in the United States I mean he's but he's gigantic in the UK. So yeah it's it was the competition and there was a there was a giant football game to which ended before the show started but ended just before the show started so that didn't help either. Something competition was I mean you know but then again look if they were going to do if television was going to get them to one sixty You know what I'm saying like the the Logan Paul thing may have come into one forty. Maybe you know what I'm saying but it's not You know it's not GonNa make that that GonNa make that level of a difference. I mean it makes it could. It could make a difference I would say. Would we say ten thousand buys maybe difference maybe more have no way of mature. I absolutely no idea that. No one no one really does but it. It's going to have an effect I mean it's going to have an effect but I wouldn't say would have a gigantic antica effect. It would have a noticeable effect and very quickly do you ever get any numbers in terms of replay buys. I mean does it do a decent number of replay buys and people people here about the show or if we never got any into a w we we had a I mean there's usually a trend remember. The I mean I got regular pay per view. Replies I don't have the digital pay-per-view replay buys but it was a couple of thousand. Yeah just it goes up you know. Most most of the shows go. They'll go up about ten percent after after the first couple of days a week and then easily then usually is very slow very little opera week. All right well Dave I wanNA thank so much the show here today and we had to break everybody back in a moment wrestling observer live. In at O'Reilly auto parts will help make your auto repair maintenance and restoration projects. Easier so your your car isn't stopping like it used to our professional parts people. We'll help you find the brake parts and supplies. 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Observer live with Bryan Alvarez and Mike Semper on the sports byline broadcasting that worked right Alvarez here wrestling observer live Mexican wrestling observer dot com says. Were Mia Yemeni. Osha right trying to outdo Moxley. You know mega from Saturday. The main defendant exte- last night had to be one of the most dangerous matches I've seen in a while. Well I disagree. There was too dangerous things in the match. One of them was the end. When medium took the bump off the ladder through the ladder bridge outside and Tude swatch her land and like her? She's got a lands on like one of the edges of the ladder. That doesn't give it all. It looks like she got snapped into and she's just dad but like she was fine afterwards. I mean it wasn't as bad as it looked but the drop kick for the latter to the face was so weird to me because sometimes in wrestling something clearly goes wrong. Two people plan to bump off something through a table but they missed the table. Okay something went wrong this person here and tends to give this guy brain buster here be lands on the wrong thing or whatever I mean. It's obvious when things go wrong. Okay and actually the brain buster on the ramp. That's what her Johnny Gargano this. An example of what I'm talking about like when you watch the drop kick to the face. I mean something went wrong but like nothing. Overtly went wrong. That was the spot. You try to do a springboard dropkick. We're not just talking jump up in the year to extend your legs and whatever. She did a springboard so she had added velocity drinking a ladder into medium space. That was was the plan. That's exactly what happened in a destroyed me as face so it was just one of those spots where I was like. I mean you you know went wrong but like that's what you were planning. You know what I'm saying so anyway that was just absolutely brutal and how that one goes bad is either her she again just a little bit more on it than needed whether that was intentional or not and I would doubt that it was intentional. I don't think think there was any receipt for anything it was it was going to look good and just unfortunate things happened. It's just one of those things when you got a bunch of props in there to play with that these things are occasionally going to happen. One thing that got me and I don't know if they did this for the aesthetic visual or they did it because they just didn't want the first shot you saw to be her rebounds off of that ladder or to go through that ladder. But I thought I think they missed it. We'll see I was wondering about that because I thought it was interesting. In that they had the far back they had had the the wide shot of the the whole building in her coming back in the crowd. The crowd being shown and it wasn't up close like they usually do so. I was wondering if that was a a directors you know there was a reason for that or they just missed it and they happen to have the wide shot and so the one that was closer for going through this person. Says it's not just me a year me also got busted wide open and exte- what's going on. I thought this WBZ style was the safest well. Annex T is not like main Rosser style. I mean they let these people do a lot more stuff on exceed than they do on the main roster now the thing that was weird about the elite spot is a lia both arms up and she still got her nose busted open so like she did what she could to protect actress. I presume what happened was Z.. Elise kick kicked a Leah's forearm into her own face sewn attempting to block it. She actually actually you know basically whacked herself because the other girl kicked her in the I'd it was just. That was another weird one last night. They're not Brad Armstrong can rick flair. So it's just these now and you know I hear these things happen. These I hear that the performance center these wrestlers are told to lay it in. And it's like dude. Even if I were twenty three years old I am out I am out. I am not into this late in thing. Like I'm an old man okay. I realize that things have changed but my whole thing. I always learned like you try and you're trying to be a good worker. What is a good worker? Well you want to make people believe that you're laying it in but you're not laying it in because you're a good worker you you WanNa make the people believe that you kick somebody in the face but guess what you didn't even touch them. That's what it was now late in. How about know how? How about work with somebody else? I'll work with the Rock and rolls. Say Better Watch it. You know you didn't you didn't have to be on the outside of a Ricky Hugh Morton Canon Ball you got lucky. For instance Angel Garza's such a special talent filled with charisma. Everybody Adores Guy in full sail. And he's a he'll imagine him as a baby face down the road you know maybe should just be a baby face like running a promotion. I have a guy that's data over as not a he'll but blows you gotta at least try he so good. And he's got such a good gimmick now to hold recruit thing and him ripping off his pants which just to grow. But you know in him doing that in front of Leo's wife and his mom you know you. I think you can at least try to get some mileage out of him. Because he look he will be ineffective baby face be because of who he is and how he can play it so you might as well try him as a heel and see how far you can get with that so you can try to get both sides you'll says I wish the shows does would stop showing the inset feed during commercial. It either makes me want to see what I missing right. Understand why they have Peter avalon on a microphone. I can't hear them. What's the benefit while the benefit benefit is? You don't have to hear that Promo I like Peter Avalon in the ring. I do not like the Librarian Gimmick. So he's going to do the gimmick part during the commercial and then wrestle after commercial. I'm all fine with that now with that said because I am a fair man despite what you might read on the Internet of the two shows last night I could be wrong about this because I may have missed something on an xt but for sure this happened on a w of the two shows Awa was the one where the heat took a place. During the commercial one guy was running wild. They went to a break when they came back. This dude was just selling. That's my pet peeve. I want to understand the story of the match. Me Does this on the main roster all the time. Someone's running wild. We go to the break when we come back. They're just selling and it's like why should I care. I don't know what happened to them. I don't know what went wrong. This is a very important turning point in the story of imagine. I don't even know what happened happened. I don't like seeing that in. Aws I wanNA know what happened. Otherwise I don't get invested in the match. That's a problem with me when you watch these. W it'll be we matches and nobody cares until they start doing the near falls. The reason for that is fans have been conditioned on TV that nothing matters batters until the near falls. If you don't show me how the he'll cut the heat. It doesn't matter so I need to see what happened. I need to care about the early part of the match and if I don't I don't care and the crowd is going to be dead. You Know I. They didn't have a full commercial. The until after the three way With Jamila and work with Genoa ran out with Shawn Spears Darby Allen Peter Avalon And that's okay. I mean I know that they want to try to keep people from turning the channel and all that stuff but you have hangman page and yet park and I know we all miss some goodness during that match because they went with a full commercial break during that match and I understand not wanting people to turn into to annex t if that's the philosophy but I don't like the fact that like that caller like the texture said you know we're we're missing a Peter Avalon Promo okay okay and sometimes we miss entrances or this or that we're seeing them in the inset like I can skip that what I would like to see is keep my groove going here on watching this park in hangman page match. Because that's one that's really most important to the you know the the company and most important to the the two biggest stars that philosophy I think is one I have to have that one explained to me on why that would be the match that you decide to go. Oh we're going to leave the VCR's all and then come back if you missed anything but we're seeing those Peter avalon things. Let's go over there. Mike apparently The show from last night here. Are we paying attention or what so. Hey Dave from last night. Hey if you're not a subscriber this is what you missed Scott match where I just it. Would you turn that off. Sorry Copyright Infringement Mike Volvo Person Says my problem with aws insects are how they pick them. MM-HMM I don't know why it's more important to show dressy express versus doric order inset but not see page versus puck inset. I'm just reading it much more. I was distracted. Acted yeah well maybe. That's why Mike Really Anyway. Hey listen sometimes with these insects I mean it may not be. AWS call maybe the networks call. You know you know when they're going to break you know it's GonNa be shown through there. I don't believe that for a second the way the way those things were set up when page came. I'm back music. They had him coming to the ring. There that was perfectly timed so. I don't believe that for a moment I'm saying you may not know which commercials as you're GonNa get an inset through the commercial break but that's what I can't believe I mean honestly I really. I'm I'm surprised by that. If that's the case then I think they need to do a little bit of coordinating their. Do you think most people are setting in on what they watch and win. I'm personally watching w live here on the west coast at five on TNT livestream and then annex t live at eight not watching smackdown or raw will watch all paper views by the way of cut impact and new Japan on demand. Mande not every week. I don't know I mean it seems like five weeks in people should be settling on what they're watching but I mean things change so quickly like maybe you're selling it on aws and then you found out that like Aj's going to be on an xt and then you kind of switch and watch the other show. I mean you you know I mean. We have an announcement like Leo in Gaza match like opening the show. I mean that that would sway me. You know if you find something at the top you know I can see that swaying somebody so I don't. I don't know if it's going to be as easy as that I mean. I think there's GonNa be things people preferred to do. But I don't know if you're going to be able to get true consistency because if the matches good enough to match is going to be good enough person says Andrew from Chicago. Do you think there's a good chance and exte- wins the majority of the survivor series matches. No I do do not think that I do not think they will win. The majority of the matches what I think is smack. Downs probably winning the majority of the matches this year because they got ruined last survivor series. I think they gotta keep smackdown very strong. Obviously they want to keep Ross strong. It's a Vince McMahon. Pay Per view like obviously annex t is is wwe production but his two shows are on smackdown. So do I see Vince. McMahon going in there and having annex t with all the matches no I mean. Maybe it'll happen but do I see that happening. No I don't trust me. I've been wrong before 'cause if you would've told me. Last year that survivor series was gonNA lose every single mattress. SMACKDOWN WAS GONNA lose. Everything mentioned survivor series. And there would be no follow-up angled whatsoever. I would've told you you crazy. But that was the beginning of the end of logical booking Kabibi last October November when the whole thing fell off as never recovered. Wait a second. Did you say you've been wrong before been wrong million times. I thought you said you're never wrong and you can never been wrong not a single time if I said that. Wear imagining things. You're reading stuff on the Internet that I never said from people that don't listen. This person says I never had an issue with me having the heat during the break back when they would show you the cutoff an insert to catch you up when you came back I. I don't remember the last time they showed that on smackdown a raw. If memory serves it stopped around the time. They experimented with tossing people to the APP during the commercial breaks a few years back. Yes yeah I do something during the break you gotta show me what it was. I don't want to just come back and be baffled. Oh man last. I saw ricochet did a big superhero dive. Now he's in a chin. Look what happened. Why should I care no more chin locks people? This person here says we got a very anti Awa. Hey W famous. Like sent me eighty-five Anti W text. He just hates everything. Awa Twelve man battle royal final to wrestle for a ring who cares. Well the AWA he w fans care and we'll see what they do with it. I mean it's not out there just as waste time and they got some sort of plan. 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Thanks for tuning in on this Thursday edition of Classic Radio Theatre October Twenty Fourth Nineteen fifty two It it used frontier town starring Tex Chandler Actually Jeff Chandler Frontier town the saga of the roaring West. uh-huh run Tier Town El Paso Tombstone town Here's the adventurous story of the early West. The tamed and the untamed from the pickups to powder river Dodd Sitta poker flat. These are the towns they fought to live in And live to fight four teeming crucibles pioneer freedom problem. Tear Tall You ever hear of a cow town called dose wheels. Don't feel bad at it happened. It's just one of those frontier towns roistering and noisy Birchington one of the lushest and richest valleys below the continental divide me. I'm Chad Remington. The town only lawyer but like everyone else. I'VE GOT UP MON ranch with a typical well-fed slab-sided hurt a cattle which I valley is so famous and just because he's cattle valuable. Well it gives if some men ideas that makes plenty of business and trouble for a saddle. Stop lawyer wasn't too long ago that I was writing into those reels from bread Cherokee o'bannon he runs the town livery stable now that we've talked him out of peddling is genuine Indian rattlesnake oil Jarecki's riding with me as we he cut across some open range trying to get those really before sundown. Hey look at those Hereford's Cherokee some day with a few more ahead. I might even be able to burn up my love books and retired and I use the term at the twinge of conscience. You must have bats and you're looking at a bunch of cows life that horse you're saying what am I done to offend you artistic integrity. Does he have now. He says I boy. You've been casting sultry longing. Looks at a bunch of blank face. Ace cows one half that emotion spent on the proper female woman would return to you tenfold. Hey One hundred zero don't you go biblical on Y'all reprobate and something else. Less a man has a few head a good. beefy can't afford to cast long linger and looks at a woman Chad. My boy. Your total lack of sophistication occasion and experience hurts. Me Deeply Amana. has some money in his jeans. Does need to bother with the distaff side. He can go out who John Barney kearns aren't Cherokee the older. You get the more UNRA generous. You become your total lack of appreciation for her to Cadillac something that Cherokee rain up there you he's billy blazes happened to you Chad how you see that waterhole just ahead of us. Yes Sir had a tin can lie next to woodland on its side. Yeah Yeah let's myopic. Deceive me that's an empty five gallon can what about it so lead pipes. It didn't taste continue spiritus ferments. I right that's liquor to you know. It's a lead pipe cinch. It didn't contain anything that pleasant. I got an awful feeling that did contain five gallons of enough stuff to poison every every. Step that drake out of that water. I if I ever pussyfooting polecat out. ooh I'd like to get my hands on. Did this putting poisoning the water hole. I must admit it's incomprehensible even to me. Why would someone want to poison a Lotta dumb defenseless cow and but with their stock poisoning off? How many ranchers around Hiccup pay their debts? You mean say someone deliberately by the Great God Pan Chad. This is the most nefarious bitchy cannery. I've ever heard down certainly is just a minute. I heard you say just the other day but not over half a dozen ranchers and this whole valley or mortgage to the bane. I don't Sour Ball Ripley. Who owns the bank? Of course most of them do pay up a year ago last spring. So what they have lenny. Every since Ripley shut off most of the credit right which absorbed most of the cash folks had on hand. Everyone's been buying Pakistan because life show Parker's been willing to let his bills run. Why should parker if you mean to insinuate did you wait license? Parker's mixed up in this capsizing. You and I are coming to fisticuffs. That all gentlemen is so it makes me blush. Yes calm down down Cherokee calm down. This has nothing to do with Russia but legally if the ranchers can't pay their debts he could go to court get judgment and take them all over lock stock and barrel and liquidation predation of his claims. But if you say is mixed up in it shocks Chad. I think you're putting your money on the nose at the wrong horse and making any bets on this race. He's got a notion it's been fixed and blame. We're going to find out if I can before the sun sets today. ooh If I sounded like a boastful kid will. That's just the way it turned out after talking. Aleisha I'm Sarah Puck and not it only. Didn't I find anything before. Sundown but I didn't find out anything for the best part of a week. What a hose continued to be poison strangers drifted in and out of town on? Even the sheriff couldn't find a thing that had helped then best. I can piece it together. Another stranger right in town. The Stranger the stranger who wasn't too strange to the handful of gunslinger have been hanging around town and they got together and they're still but that's another bottle the more you said you were over here we'll Jan Rescue group the most tired rig another glass without buttle. I got my work done all right. You know me boss should. That's why shift you career ahead of me any trouble shocks. No Jasper in town snooping around a lawyer named a chance ain't outing left. He believe me. You better not plan out anything. He wants to go out and practice law. Because I'll get him just the way Lamb GonNa get a store you will. You never been here. Does Israel's before me and the boys have been here for more than a week. I'm telling Ya Yeah Shephard. Hers Toubon Old Gould. He'll never sail. No let's just suppose the bug A. won't his widow will lance. What I said with the Bugger is is crusty? An old goat as you say is. It shouldn't be too hard and be you it. I'm sorry I just do get you just like you said has got a nasty temper. Hasn't been going over to that store and talk pago into an argument understand. Poor Park with Eber is get so and grabs for his gun. That's all missed. It grabs for his gun. Only you outdrawing. He really got shot. Don't let nobody tell me lefties lottery. Brains yeah instead of wasting your time trying to butter me up. You better be getting over the pockets store because once he's out of the way it's still going to take time for. I'm the owner of all choices wrenches. Those reels valley on. I'm getting so anxious. Tongues hanging out Long last year or last year share. Want to put that on the shelf for you would you please last year year Eh. Da Forty two years. We've been together. Sarah certainly doesn't take mcq like we get a new customer. Audi howdy howdy sugar. Sugar Shit Shit. I wanted a pound with sure. Sure do you amen on calling me a liar no chemistry. I didn't ask you to come into my store. Come in and I'm not going to have some even crook like you. Give give me a half a pound. You get out of here doggone you turn around and out of my face blackout last. Doing you hit it old goat. Nobody's just put me out or not you away from that door Cherokee Eh. He shoot Mrs Parker. I I only shot in self defense said the Truth Park. Titans I should draw fish. Well now are you satisfied. Can't say that I'm satisfied. I guess a sheriff won't hold you face of that evidence is I can't tell you how sorry I am. I didn't get hit two seconds earlier. That are just saying how sorry I am going to bring your husband back. But there's still an account to be squared cleared up and I'm hoping you'll let me square it come on Cherokee an escort disposer down to the Sheriff It it was a foregone conclusion that the sheriff had released crew but not before we found out that he had something to do with this stranger. Who'd arrived in town lefties along? Not knowing slaughter decided to go down to the saloon. Larry was hanging out in size him up. Just in case on one more and they'll give them more money to lose it Phero. Excuse me but the bartender pointed out to me is something I can do for your brand inviting someone else on my mind so right ask you to apologize for calling me a friend asking for an apology and getting one two different things. How maybe I've been lucky? uh-huh generally get what I asked for. And maybe that's because you'll make it to a business. Ask The wrong people. Maybe I didn't come here to ask you anything. I came here. Eight dead you something. You don't see Leisha. Parker was just shot down in cold blood. I thought you'd WANNA know making my business to find out why and I never had the pleasure of meeting this Mr Palko but if he was a friend of yours I can't see them exactly. Sorry you may be sorry the next time you or any your gun hands. Try to finish off what you started. Now if you're through I'm sure you'll excuse me so I can start. Enjoy myself off. Sure Mr slaughter enjoy everything while you can because if you keep up like I think you've started legally or otherwise. I'm GonNa help see that you enjoy the the next fifty years of your life. Rotten away in J. Uh we'll return to the exciting second act of our frontier town adventure in just about one minute October October. Twenty four thousand nine hundred fifty two frontier town on Classic Radio Theater. I'm Wyatt Cocks in coming up in just four minutes. The News of the day from sixty seven years ago. Thanks for tuning in. Hi I'm Jay Farner. CEO of quicken loans. Thirty percent of Americans who are planning home improvements of five thousand dollars or more. We'll pay for those renovations nations with a high interest credit card. That may not be a great idea. 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Dwight D Eisenhower of conducting a campaign pain which accepts calumny and the biggest doubt as its instruments Stevenson the Democratic presidential nominee loose scathing attack on Eisenhower his gop opponent and the generals else vice presidential running mate Senator Richard M Nixon of California Stevenson Alkyl Slug Com Republican senators Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin and William William e Jenner of Indiana Stevenson terrific ovation when he walked onto the stage at the Cleveland Arena and scarcely have opened his mouth when there was a shout from the crown. Atta boy Steve Dateline Buffalo General. Dwight D Eisenhower accused. The tuned administration last night of injecting bigotry and class hatred into the presidential campaign and said his political opponents. Speak with the power mad voices of the rabble rousers. The Democrats said. We'll do anything to win the election. 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Four thousand nine hundred and fifty two on your Radio Joe Frontier Town which continues now classic Radio Theatre And now a frontier town. Yes I sounded like a boastful kid. All over again I I mean going in and deliberately rubbing lefty slaughter the wrong way I've found until you rub the for you can't tell if the animal you've got his a house cat or polecat in Gem Times at both dangerous which trap them different ways and I found out in short order. That slaughter was as cold and Cocky as they come knowing that there was nothing more I could find out until such time was. He chose to make his next move. So Cherokee and I sat for four more days in my office up above Jarecki's livery stable. You're looking out the window and watching the entire street and late. The afternoon of the Fifth Day Cherokee turned away from the window suddenly look at double diet dirty. Gunslinger who terminated life partners. Mortal existence is walking down the street with left slaughter. He was walking with him now. Crew turned off into the saloon. Hey Hey see what slaughters doing. He's heading straight for. Mrs Parker store that's the case and it certainly seems to be that. What are we doing loitering about this legal loggia right Cherokee Keesa grab your hat or your gun or both? Let's be finding out what business slowdown might have with. Mrs Parker. Some of the boys over the hotel told me about the misfortune. You head Mississauga. I mean about your husband Mattie kind of a stranger to come over and pays sympathies and believe me sympathies. Just what made me drop in today is he. I got to thinking about Difficult it might be for a woman like you to try and run a store alone. I'm afraid it really takes a man's mine to run a business right. Wow isn't that the truth and since I came to those real is looking for business window myself and with you now probably wanting to sell. Oh I wasn't thinking of selling up Mr Slaughter. Hello I know this may sound kind of sudden but I'm willing to pay you a fair price. Okay say two thousand one dollars two thousand dollars. Why we've got more than twenty thousand dollars? Onus on the books sure books with a cattle dying like flies twenty thousand with he took to writing clearly. I don't aim to argue with a woman but time affair man and once I make up my mind I don't let anyone change it now. It's that too bad now. You just listened to me blogger. You better do the listening. I've I have got three thousand here in cash so suppose you sit down and start writing out that bill of sale. What if I were a man I I picked that shotgun off the wall? Elo slaughter what are you doing here but again no but since you are determined to stay in those three. I'm just being neighborly and seeing as you want to spend your money. I thought I'd suggest a Mrs Parker that she accommodates you accommodating life. What do you mean Chad? Well since you haven't done much cash businesses here. I thought maybe I can help. Mr Slaughter spend some of that gashes got on him right here since he saw. Aw Fire and anxious to buy something. I don't want any of his money not any auditory now. WHO said it was his money? I'd hate to think where it came from. If you you would think at all you'd keep your nose out of this. Why do you think they could just smelly keep his nose out of your business reached the high heaven you rule out outmoded? Don't worry about your storm. You able to get up. Jackie I once I get some of these shovels hairs slaughter. That was a mistake kitten Cherokee bad mistake for you but at that. I guess you wouldn't have hit. Hit Him if he hadn't been twenty years older than you are. Who says so I say so? I'm about your age. Why didn't you hit me? I'm I'm not too gentlemanly. The hit Chad beat the brains out of the bladder much satisfaction to that Cherokee won't hit back while I'm I'm facing them and if I had my way I Christian his thick skull with a few bottles of my wrong snake oil applied Vega. See both of you again. I'm I'm sure you will but you're not leaving yet. I remember I was going to help you. Spend some of your hard earned money here with Mrs Pocket Cherokee load some of those picks picks and shovels. You knocked over into Mr Slaughters. My boy you've got a most imagine anybody did. What does he want with picks and shovels from what I've heard ladies fixing the gray three picks forced out your arms? You insult human race. The paper this raw against Lada Yoga. Pay For this. Three picks and shovels will be well in round numbers. I say fifty dollars Jarecki's since we always aim to help the customer. Just peel one of those bills off. Mr Slaughters Bankroll just wanted just one. You're never going to live a life. It'll be like that Chad now. Let's see you can carry a little more just about role for Bolton Calico and it's just the right color to yellow. Hello it'll make a nice yellow shroud for that grave. He's digging hell with all the money he's got left. It's too bad we can't sell them a headstone. It's going to be needing net soon. I think you're going to be left on the other side of face before I'm through a half for the time being you're through with me now so addio slaughter and in consideration of your hundred dollar. PURCHASE MORNING MR Obama will be glad to open the door for Ya as you go goodbye. It sure committee Ted. I just can't thank you enough frigid. Thanks a little premature. What do you mean that makes? He knows what that group is up to seems to me. Lefty slaughter found out that almost every rancher in the valley owes you money. He's decided to cripple them. Force issue to sell out to him and then take over what ranches. He's wanted for the money. They owe the store. How why did you let him walk out of here to have arrested? Because so far he's been too smart involved himself as his hired gun. Thugs do his dirty work until we get them. Slaughter still in the clear clear. I see but isn't it. Anything can do to stop them before they they mood. Someone else like flash what what I'd like to do is create a situation which may force slaughter into doing something he hadn't planned on some crime he hadn't figured in advance then catch him red handed. I think we can. We says Parker. If you'll give me your permission to call a meeting of all ranchers all your money right here. Rich's store the conclusion of frontier account. Tober twenty four thousand nine hundred fifty to three minutes on this Thursday edition of Classic Radio Theatre. Nothing is more important than protecting your family and property. That's why oh you should make a free call right now to vivid the number one smart home services provider in the US. 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Give us a call at seven seven five two eight eight nine three seven two zero or visit US online at yearly Nevada dot net. Thanks for tuning into Classic Radio Theater on your favorite station now. A conclusion of a frontier town starring Jeff Chandler from sixty seven years ago October. Twenty four nine hundred fifty two the quiet quiet expose you stop acting as if you're running this whole show Remington. Let Sarah Parker do her own talking. There's no talking for me to do. I've sold the store and all of its assets to Chad Remington. And from now on you'll have to do business with him the grumble if you want. But it isn't going to do any good you. Oh the store money and I want cash on the barrel head on if I don't get it. I'm going to court and take judgments judgements against everyone. Argue must be turning over his grave. How do you expect us to raise money now? If you can raise money all you gotta do is drive your Cattle Adalah market and sell it off. Why it's almost two months? They'll ship in time instead of standing around here arguing. I'm advising you get together and start a drive with your herds up to the nearest railhead ahead. I'm only giving you five days to be back with cash so if you know what's good for you be on your way by sunrise tomorrow morning. Local crew Remington van out Mrs Puck Store Law showers there myself with the whole crowd awed and he told them to get out and drive their cattle to market and be back with the money in five days or else he was taken over. Every range in the valley will l. will his nothing crooked crooked lawyer. The funny part is what he's doing is playing right into our hands into Argo. What happens those ranches started driving their cattle to market? You and me. And the rest of the boys are laying for them. We get the cattle REMINGTON LYMINGTON. Don't get the money and the ranch's takes over or with nothing at smart monkey is playing into our hands. What good are them? Ranges without cantillon. No good crew. you go round up the boys living like this goals row real celebration. The lefty thought I was dumb right it does reas ranchers new. I always a crook. All I was sure I was. I was taking a long while Chanson in hoping it would pay off next morning justice. I told him to the ranchers joined up in one big trail. I haven't started for San Jacinto when we were perched Cherokee share the posse and I we could see. The cattle spread out along the trail almost as far as the could reach. I guess we waited needed more than an hour. Every man Jack's I shaded from the morning Sun scanning the pass below US waiting praying for some sign of trouble and and finally came a single shot and then in the next instant it sounded like it. Must've that Dad Gettysburg. We waited waited for a moment to make sure we will right then the sheriff on hosted his gun and turn to show right. Shed look human wrestlers. Pour out of that King must be a million of them. Two million maybe. Hey harake array coupons you mean unhook forty five. Let's get your writing down through that royal that way we can get between them into cattle and right in front of those wrestlers quilts. Thank Heaven I got time for my rattlesnake on something you got time to squeeze the trigger. Come on let's go. What are those cats is turning around heady heights at yellow splints gung slaughter pay? Sheriff You keep after the rest I. I'm trying to sneak away. I'm going to get him all right. Come on don't wish list get around slowed has got a quarter of a mile. headstart the way. Okay you ride the further. You're GONNA find on the way back to town. I'm not one in your again dog off at Horsey Yours. Your APP to break your neck all right as your lead back with interest get along side in that now where I can get my mom around on. You might have to break your stop running to quit it. Come on get up and start walking a long trip back to go to jail on Jed here you had US thinking you're a bigger Crookham can slaughter all the time you were doing it for our own good very just like a father with an unreasonable kid has spare the rod spoil trial. Wow that's Chad motto. What's your motto Cherokee? Well you might say in his spare the flask and spoil it either. Way is time for wipe patient right now from the way I look after bulldog and slut off his horse. It's time for me to take a bath and put on some clean clothes. It's not premature. Thank you now tin. except I don't know how I have a can enough talking that young spread like zero and he'll go get an as well ahead and don't deserve one no little idea as you're making the boys trailer kettle and certainly squeeze slaughter into pulling one. Okay all right show on her. My dear friends talons. I suggest someone by little shop. Something good so I can propose. Ghosts sides my knees up. Stop shaking well my knees shaking Cherokee and it's strong enough to turn you over it and beat a little genuine genuine Indian tune on your Tommy. You turn me over your knees. Not only would you break my spirit. But you'd bust a flask full of the finest Turkey and then sneak on demand Switzerland. I'm going to ask uh-huh frontier town. Starring Tex Chandler is Bruce L. production supervision. MM by Joel Markel Story and direction by Paul Frank Music written and played by Ivan. DITMARS will be with us again. Same climb next week on another fine action adventure story your favorite young Western star general. This is Bill Forman telling you the frontier town came to you from Hollywood. Total twenty-fourth nineteen. I'm fifty to sixty seven years ago today. 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Cloud waiting third Aw He's faithful Indian companion Taco but dealing and resourceful math gripe planes led the fight for law and order in the early western United Steel. You know history can one find a greater Tampa piano jotted recurring with us now. Those thrilling days of yesteryear uh wondering who beats evergreen horseshoes winco why It took Long lanes are entitled over deep in Texas and heading south to establish copyright as they came out of the woods I saw the taxable. The railroad and heard the distance was looking out here. Came on watch came to buy or a tunnel into an obstacle the contract some distance away like man it is actually GonNa Handle Tunnel and raced along the single track towards the oncoming locomotive the money into a sliding stop and leaked to the ground beside the still form of a man who lay across the rails off the track leading. The engineer wave frantically and getting home Waste fries and buffing the lone ranger. I mean. Just totally unconscious man. In a cloud of steam. That was a close car. I'd get conscious. Now he has some severe head. Will Tuttle possibly a fractured skull. Maybe it's dangerous to move. It can have here just had to track hiding before the engineers send someone to investigate make a litter and carry him the would aw shelter becoming Tahoe made camp while a mask man did what he could do. A ten to strangers injuries in half an hour anyway. The rescued man was fully conscious looked around the camp somewhat bewildered expression them turn. This is the lone ranger. I'm glad to see you're feeling better it. It doesn't mess men in action during you gotTa Idaho's coach silver engine friend in town where we live at yellow springs. I was there when you've persuaded Limbo soldier. Yeah Ah Capitol. My name is Ben. Salem I was honorably discharged got he. I found your conscious on the railroad tracks. You've had several blows on the head of the Mary. Hunt Matt Mack. James a minimum of freight train. They tried to kill me but I'll give him fried. How signed him? That's Clinton I get away squinting. Kema Schema Savvy. Maybe then can you describe this well is building is risk is grown about taste had that squirt Ni- jumped off the tree together and came to this words in the sneaky. Polecat pool is done on me. I couldn't imagine what he would have to thank you local holding me up. You know. I've got no money. Don't want money. What's Your Cavalry Cape? Also your army discharge a what Mac worthless. You didn't know it. Then but the laws looking for Mac James Lame to have them killed. Then I'll be Ben thought you you'll have to shoot me shoot. You got a chance. I've got a better way. I remember misty your capital or go about your oldest child. Oh my God. These are Mexico's look through the pocket. Try Helping me see how Erica Mac to knock me out with his good pal after switching clues definitely on the railroad giant. You must've known that would be a the only for you. Regained consciousness or you might have thought he'd killed you. Blow something a little empty oversee. I recognise package. This is adjust to make Jane at Fort Smith Arkansas. The return address Joe Sante Betrayal City Commute here paint on ways. That's interesting Mr you a mighty interested in hand Tony that matching scrutinizing that's been we've been looking for a man named James McKay Aliens Mack Games and sometimes known as squint. He wanted Iowa did he is murdered ever seen the opening scene pictures. I might find him a trail. That's what I think. I've heard rumors Joe's hunt who runs a hideout for crooks entails city Komo sub ethnic. Oh they're brown. She's learned something about Joe's told him up Southbound playing really put them like we spoil so he shortly afternoon. Talk to our busy unloading candles at two Qasimi engineer looked at his watch impatient. Meanwhile aw blocks from the station fail. City's main street was practically deserted. Two men leaned against the hits rail in front of Joe's will tell and cafe. Let's shut off redesigned. Some of them you would rip look your best friend. We lost our last diamond card again. We've lost a gun gone without my I shoot nine a few stay away from San Luis cut game. What are you looking at him at jam coming down the street? Looks like a newcomer. String you to me in a soldier category. Keep you'll meet him. I like to know about newcomers. And here's what you need. It's been good you've been in. The army mustered out a month ago looking for work. Yup I don't mean to give a fan but the fact is we've been getting more than our share of corruption is heating fuel. It's my job to investigate. Strain you you WANNA see Miami. This church has been so my papers on my inside. Blockage Matt James Posing them unbuttoned his army Kate and rich beneath with both hands his left hand and brought out the discharge but the right remain hidden and grabbing. Thank God him as the papers. You get hurt. Who are have you always had that screened screaming eleven? Seventy air black screen and reading the army discharge him remembering it from handier. The sheriff's gun clear leatherback James fired from Cape then turned and fled the railroad tracks in late that afternoon overturned to the campus running hide the lone ranger within sitting beside them for through Komo News. Time to kind of JOT. Maybe him die. WHO's got him? Everyone thinks Ben. Talk me not and finally paper your name on it. You Free Me. This good. I'd crooked thought of sort of the beginning until it's all you know. Be going to town. Hi Scout Behind Hotel. Why don't we there among please received other out backdoor hotel in cary wash them and dumping ground than what time going sign ain't Hotel Nikko? Look where base dumped find soapy water with plenty black whiskered then go main street. Many people there plenty talker walker shooting shooting of the sheriff Listen here Howie. Shot by Man Army case anyone's James Close up they remember his quitting. I know one Siham employs. Only sheriff him unconscious. I couldn't ball. I asked about Lone Ranger adventure before the Mexico please prize for just a few moments in November eight thousand nine hundred fifty four the lone ranger on Classic Radio Theater. I met the American Veterinary Medical Association Annual Convention in Washington. DC with Dr Barbara Matterson Horowitz Evolutionary biologist and physician. There's a form of fainting that happens when people get stressed because the excitement triggers a slowing of the heart. Why this happened didn't make sense? The heart shouldn't slow down the hardships. 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Search for gunman did reply coming from the Marshall before you left me wait there to answer. circum- Marshall Say Crook not unclean but in play car in find Army Cape Dora Carr Wide Open My Cape Kings missed Tim. Talk to train between stations. Probably then maybe member soapy water and Black Kris K. 's MAG James Sneak back to Joe Santos Hotel Shave Up Casey students. No one will tie him into the shootings lesser. Sheriff it covers and remembers his cleaning. I if they catch me. I'm going to get away. I gotta run up in conscious. Skin can use a doctor's attention that right we go to town for Dante's no if the sheriff's conditioners critical the documents stay with him. We'll have to take into up to the dock to Ha- I intend to call Joe's the lone ranger in Tahoe studying for town at some. They traveled slowly and took turns carrying them Thorpe. Who is still unconscious? If it's nearly dark when they finally drew rein behind the house where the doctor lived and maintained his title and Thorpe stayed with the doctor. While the loan rings here went in search of Joe Subtle Meanwhile Joe all wrapped on the door of the room. He'd run Domecq James on the second floor of the hotel as your Joe Gas. It looked like a new man shave new clothes making different he kind of Ceuta mine physio first rate. What's the news founded bloody on the threat was so many men are looking for thought it'd be found l. but no everyone is looking south of town? They think you I mean Ben. Thorpe jumped off the train between here and the next station. no-one figures I sneak right back here. Now they'll find a buddy sooner or later only they'll never know what spending Philip they don't think it's Mac James. Is there any way to identified it. Let's blow my name McCook now that you must someone looks for the screening. I I left the body on the tracks. Joe Who can tell about the I after the training's going by that's officially my James will be dead. Okay log wants searching for Ben. Thought for the shooting of the chef. You'll ever be found. GotTa admit you're smart it's not enough to outwit the Lone Ranger Ranger roundabout way that he's hunting for me. Why don't you tell me what's different little known when he was after you? I never have taken. You had a rattlesnake beneath my shirt and had a man who was on an online would be here for a few days his body on the tracks. The whittled spread the MAC. James is dead and the lone ranger. quit hunting me. I'll be free to travel. The new name swing Pant giveaway. Not if I'm officially dead go worry everything will be all right if they have to recover. Cover see chef still douglas gas instill unconscious but he comes to You're going to the ducks host. What tennis among finished business going out? Yes Zina's duck way ahead show. I'll be back own mack. Games went down the rear stairs out the door of the hotel. He walked through the alley at the side of the building to the main street then headed toward the doctor's house confidence that he would be unnoticed in the ducks. Meanwhile the lone ranger travelled in the opposite direction election behind the rule of building. He entered the hotels back door. The door the killer had just use the exit and made his way to the kitchen of Crook was startled. Why don't shoot Mr Jones on one? Not Support has over. UCS upstairs one of the room. He'll fire me by number in room. Ten Joselito Sonko pace the floor nervously. Seems like an hour since Mike James left but it was less than five minutes. Then you'll go and smash who who I if you have a lovely man if there is not really. I wanted information games. I don't know how should I also noticed clint. Anyone face me commissioner. You're in that case affect little flabby. You couldn't do much to defend yourself at eight to take advantage of your weakness us. Believe me I'll go as far as necessary to make you talk. I think squint. And you're gonNa tell me where he is prepared to beat the information out of you. Uh If you just tell me who you are. I'm known as the Lone Ranger Pinot. Those face went ghastly white then slumped to the floor the lone ranger nearby pitcher of water and dump it on the face on arrange on your feet. Don't treat me the last time whereas Quincy wanted the ducks house. I tried to stop my house. For what do to finish shot from on. I'm taking you to shed which I'll get you there. Just as I did your cook you'll be good in clack company for each other. The only Tahoe and the doctor stood side by side with their. Oh hands raised and their backs against the bedroom wall went to his doorway owning his own gun in one hand and Tacos and the other the show. And then fourthly on bunks. Both were conscious but a two week to rise. I don't know who he's made. James The man who showed me good thing I came to make trouble for me. You can't kill harvest and get away with it all. Yes I Kim Docs. My story will be the thin Thorpe to the shooting. I was passing by and heard three shots I rushed in. I saw that. He drilled you and the Indian the sheriff. Well I struggled with him I took his gun and then clouds him a few times my head fatally in my story. I'll be believed up because you're already being honored for shooting the you know I'd like to hear how you escape gape train. But I've already wasted enough time. My curiosity must go unsatisfied long. It's good that wasn't necessarily only math. Chemotherapy him need distant pay high enjoyed. CNN head was title times while him plenty of time he'll be stiff for quite a while. Look let's change if you pull me through he Hangs what you'll be are a pass the crisis and so are south Joe's guilty of concealing known murder exists you after due to the fact they said. Did you elect critic if I had. Yes hardy I'd make the arrest and jail time Mak James got sick is my bed. Totally off site sheriff as a man who should always wear a badge. I bet he's the first man to wear both a badge and amassed a little rigid. I don't brace beamer starring as the Lone Ranger Rangers squint ivy episode from November eight. Nine thousand nine hundred fifty four when Classic Radio Theatre continues more minutes will move to nineteen fifty eighty nine for an episode of Radio's Outstanding Theatre thrills suspense. Thanks for making us part of your day friends and family. You've been hearing me talk about the my pillow radio listener special. Of course it applies to all you folks. Listen to us on the podcast as well and to find out all the stuff they've got going on Go to mypillow DOT COM and click on the radio listener special special. You've heard me tell you how much I love my pillow. Every night it puts me to sleep. I sleep hard. I sleep through most of the night. 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Traffic is murdered. That's another thing. What makes you think they're gonNA let planes take off in this weather? Relax I call the airports. Why with my apartment all overseas flights leaving scheduled? It's only a little miss. Is the package. Let it get moving before Harry. He's home. I'll let you sure I just found. He got in five minutes and started to peck. Now how am I supposed to get into his suitcase without his noticing. High enough to tell you. How is your husband? You've never had trouble handling him up to now this track them somehow then slipped the package into the suitcase closing and see that it stays closed. He leaves with it. That's all there is not going kind of be. That's for sure it is. You can do it. Myra look is still WANNA go on living with him. I'll tell you right now. I'll just have to fade eight out of the picture. Stop seeing me oddly down. That's all good girl now. Look you don't have to be nervous about handling it. Wouldn't go off 'til it's time to work. It'll work my right guaranteed at five. PM when it explodes is playing will be well over the ocean. Going only my apartment after he leaves and good luck Is that your myrow. How'd you packed yet? They're almost almost there. I'll do the rest. I finished shaving Harry. I doubt it before but I was delayed shopping. What'd you buy and the interesting? Nothing really what's in that bag is the packager holding out. Just just shoes how they look. You have such pretty feet downing put on all right. There's no time wages to case. What do you want me to put in and here with this thing I think? What do you want me to put in stocks? I've talked to anybody else. All right. Do what color software. I'm wearing a grey suit. What is I think? So Oh dear. What how? Many pairs three days. Yeah I just know I put right under your shirt. It's the price package and everything else go. I the hacker chips are under your shirt. Starting all their clothes well glad when the trip is over in some cases. Yeah all right then I am think what my life was like before I met you years. Batches grubbing for money and has to spend hours is over fifty and I haven't really lived meaningless existence and so years ago Providence's merciful. You came into my life and you give me back my use. My you know what what what's in here did I no no not. Let's put now wait on it together to get ready to push down on my. That'll never close. There's too much in the things that you're package wasn't doing my suitcase. Ace Package Harry dying. It was to be a surprise for your birthday my breath but Myra for you. I didn't watch until you unpacked. You've spoiled anymore. I'm sorry I didn't mean you put it right back and don't open it till you arrive and it'll still be a surprise product. I promise on your so sweet so thank you have much time slips on that Oughta make the package posey better lock it. Sue favorite going on lately. Can't be too careful so I'll say see me. But of course. Now how did he relate. I guess the by guiding and take care of yourself. Oh Oh don't worry about me. I'll be fine. Yes he he managed to but he knew he told me right out of my mind. What do you mean take it easy you would have been? Who is it enough? I told you to stay away till it's over. It's too risky sounded almost hysterical baby but I better come over and stay with the until you calm down calm down well stick around. Anyway we get the news about the plane as soon as we hear. You're a widow. I'll take off those decides to drop in so I'll use the fire escape in the bedroom like I've done before how about a drink and had one. Aw have another seven. There's I stopped reading. Explosion happened at five on the nose. Radio probably flash the news later this evening. Oh Almira we've been over this a dozen times. We sit tight. Leon calls you go into your act shocked and bereft with only. You'll have to be convincing easy. It'd be such a relief to non finally rid of him. One thing worries me Phil. What worries your foes the planes only only damaged and it manages to Tan back and lying nuts? And there's another blast and that little package to knock over a house. You can imagine what it will do. Plane Ten thousand feet beat up. Drink up Myra wait wait. Wait a Toast Harry our benefactor to his last trip turn on the radio you know. I can't help you a little title. Sorry for those other planes where alleged very humanitarian humira like. I've always said some dyes that others may live in. That's as expect a lot very necessary to me. I mean emotionally really why it's such an unadulterated. He'll you make me feel almost perspective. And you are such a charming hypocrite. You make me feel like an honest man almost dandy All of the late afternoon new the weather is making headlines again today. The slight haze that's hung hung over the city for the past two days thinking late this afternoon and developed into heavy snow taking it up as far has been caused by heavy congested. 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The conclusion now the suspense November Eighth Nineteen fifty-nine the last trip and as we consume so bad when I was on my way over here didn't take off. Where do you suppose Harry is now? I don't care Dan Harrington is. Where's the suitcase if it explodes while he's carrying it around the really my soup? There'll be an investigation literally right back here. Well why don't we do wait. Wait a minute let me think a fine time to the thinking is. Why didn't you think before way whether a pleasant slight as the airlines so they were operating a regular schedule? Nobody thinks that'd be small. Nobody could take you a smart enough. Do you think everything else didn't that we showed up from when they may be jumping to conclusions. We're not sure his plane was. How do we find out own Hello can you tell me if like seventy seven funds gobbled. Hello Ah thank you you see. We panicked over. Nothing plane took off ten minutes late but it took Cov have at least sorry. That's all right baby. For a moment there felt like the whole world was falling on us. Another drink you cannot be. I don't know what you call with Autumn Irish get. Can you get rid of whoever it is close and don't coming. Who is open out there? What happened on that train Mari? You won't believe it. Wait until you hear Claudia taste what happened. Well Oh my cab got stuck in an awful traffic jam and the Fonda the smog or whatever. It is kept getting heavier every minute. Traffic was just crawling and finally the cut to me that even if a camp got me to the the airport on time all finds it probably be cancelled so right took off on day one. How do you know I called the APP now? So how'd you like that. I probably could have made it. Well you've been all this time. I went back at the office. Senate cable that I'd be a day in the office one case. Did you leave in your office. Well No of course not lie and I left it outside the better bring it it. Just leave it the quantity here. There's no pardon unpacking I'll be going first thing tomorrow. let's see Qualified more or less. What do you mean more or less my watch? Maybe a little slow. Let's go out to dinner tonight. Well it's not very pleasant outside outside it okay. I just don't feel like cooking in tonight. Let's let's be early right now and go to a movie is something Reading one article six my faith. Why don't you mix pinterest while I get ready? They're sold in the kitchen. I'll be ready in Myra taking the bedroom. It's the room here instinct. You'll strain yourself too. Heavy point he pressed her all right. But if you straighten yourself so talk in the kitchen getting got the suitcase. Okay you want me to go out and get it out his yoke. You've got less than fifteen minutes before it goes crazy. Plus it's locked was the key. Harry's got luck on how to explain now we've I've got a better idea. Take the suitcase. Get rid of Meriva only a block away. You have time take all right in what hit me in the face then take. The suitcase are waiting to get down the fire escape. Then I'll call for help. I'll tell Harry that was a fief that he said he must be unconscious before I could scream. Yeah but you say okay. Ready no hard enough. Leave a mark. It's gotta be convincing right okay. Mara I'll be in touch. Hello we're here. Let me help you look at your face onto any he must have come into the fire it's kp he's struck me. Before I could scream. Good Lord I don't take your suitcase out. Why better call the police? You all right doctor. I know if you lie down the report robbery already please Myra my you should lie down. All right. I that the I. R. Jason's residence. Yes thank decides nations Iran twenty freezing. All I was just calling. You WanNa buy a man just broken apartment from the fire escape. He's probably my wife and got away with a suitcase taste. And you've got to come in just a minute. Is this your suitcase Mr Jason. Oh yes it is Myra all. It's definitely my suitcase. You there my initials. Aj came close. This guy is the man who assaulted you lady. I can't be sure I didn't get a good look. You identify Mr Jason on no Sergeant I. I didn't see him a tall. I was in the kitchen when it happened. What makes you think he's the one somebody from? Across the way called a report there was a man licking on your fire escape. We got just as US coming coming down carrying your suitcase. She started the Ron. We call it. What time is it? I'm thoughts about five. I mean exactly exactly. I got a Four minutes defy. WHY NOBODY'S I? I'm just confused the phone. Sure sure I understand now. If you you folks will come down to the station and file charges joy. Oh with why don't you all go ahead. I'll join you soon as I make myself more. presentable swordsman all right man. We'll wait for you know I don't feel well my my faith attitude. It looks a mess. I mean no offense Ma'am maybe you'd better bring down items Adams Jason. Okay pick up the suitcase. No what do you mean though you wanted it so bad you love the down the fire escape night you can log it down to the station. They gotta wait. Who said to me because time bomb in there and set to go off in less than four minutes? If we don't get away from here we will be able to pieces chameleon. Pick wake up that show the troop I tell you gotta believe me. I know there's a bomb in their wipe put a thing. He's play the alphabet. I don't even know this man. We were in it together. I'm supposed to blow up on on the plane. Open that suitcase out of the bump before it's too late with your hurry. I don't understand you mean there's actually a relax Mr Jason. You know there's no Varman as pulling willing some kind of store I I'll go along with the gay just sit here for five mansions if your bomb goes off one thing. I can't stand as a toe bitten. That's a wise guy. He's telling the truth. Harry Open it my Harry critic Jason Acute phase or You're referring to my birthday present. My career quite nice. It's not in my suitcase. You're sitting in my room idea. I was so touched this afternoon. When for the first time a whole married life you remember? I had a bad thing in fact it was the first best day gift you'd have given me so my way to the airport. I couldn't resist seeing what it was. Imagine my surprise when I recognized it somewhat lethal nature of an idea how he honestly I was somewhat stone and then audio little maneuvres. NEVA's your adroit. Little lies in the past began to fall into place. I took you a gift to sergeant durant. Then we drove over and waited outside the house until we saw all your friends arrive. We evolved little stratagem to get a confession from your earth and now that we haven't sergeant. I think you'd better get out of here. Insure Mr Jason. Okay let's go you go. Oh my one thing on my birthday actually occurred last last month but never remember the dates or other. How lucky suspense You're listening to the last trick written by Ralph Bell Do Gene Francis Tonight tonight story where Ralph Bell Johnny v Eugene Francis and Bob. Driving Suspense is produced and directed by Paul Roberts listening again next week when we return. Turn with the Companion Story of jealousy and Jules written by water black another tale well calculated to keep you in on You've been in the later years. Suspense had some good shows From the Eighth Day of November Nineteen Lien. Fifty nine suspense on Classic Radio Theatre. visit the webpage. Classic Radio Dot Stream there you can. Stream are programs on demand and learn more about classic Radio Radio Collecting you. You've been to contact me. Their Classic Radio Dot Streep or search through any PODCAST APP just look for USA Classic Radio the White Sox here. 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Meanwhile the President's Veterans Day speech in a New York City Park was met with chance of lock him up in New Hampshire Mayor Democratic presidential candidate. Buddha judge released his veterans plan and made an appeal directly to Vietnam vets saying by the time he came home from Iraq America had learned to separate its feelings about a policy of going to war from its feelings about those who went. The judge went off script during his address at the Rochester. Opera House in my speech. But I want to say that anybody who here who served in the Vietnam generation who were not received in the right way. When you come home I believe it is better late than ever to say? Thank you and welcome to the latest Quinnipiac University. Poll Blige's third in the New Hampshire Hampshire Democratic primary on Monday. Blige also said he would nominate a woman to head the Veterans Administration for the first time. I'm Laura Ross. Brown tell him reporting. NPR is reporting that the F. B. 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You know what I'm here for you bring somebody nobody around here gibbering it. That's what I WANNA know off got it all right Johnny. The room home at nine o'clock tonight. I'll let you look at it. Two other gentlemen. Who didn't it too? So they'll be bitten. Yeah one thing. I'm guaranteeing algae. I'm the guy that's GonNa get it. Jay Buck Dr J. Mr Berg ship docked little while ago watching it when you got was going to call you as soon as I got my room Mr Berg honest. I was a HAP- sewer. I hope nope you're for USA to bring with gene. But Mr Back. I'd have to come here tonight to see it as a probably know that a three of you wanted wanted to show Johnny Pitas Reginald Sands and May. That's right I know that both wanted back. Johnny seems to be sure he was going to get it. Plays listening. Remember this if Johnny Pitas gets you're going to get a right between the. Yeah Speaking Reginald fans I'll deal you know what schedule a couple of hours ago and You brought it ashore safely. I've got it and it safe enough right here with me. Stop better keep it with you today. I have a chance to get down. I WanNa see it more than that I wanted to buy. You will have to get online Mr Sanz. You're not the only one that wants the diamonds you know as I know. That's very much in demand that's right but it'd better it'd be be who gets it because if I don't you'll have another kind of stone your very own tombstone. This is the rule where the body was discovered. Bring you up to date as quickly as I can get welcome but but let me tell you I what I know all right man was algae Corcoran a steward on transoceanic liner. You've been suspected of smuggling. But nothing was ever proven right now smuggling doesn't come under my authority authority is district attorney but some of these playmates are pretty rough characters. I understand he was found. Shot to death right here last night this boat docked yesterday afternoon. 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He'll come come and it can't take all all the time you ever try to cut the forty carat diamond. Mr Sense I steal them cutting them as your department and got to be careful. Do you want this. Don't split exactly in half so it will no longer be recognizes the Elton diamond but can be sold for match hearings. Two twenty stones will bring you almost as much as one. What the cat at one? Yes and it'll be a whole lot less recognizable what go ahead. I wanted to rupture almost finished. I put Elton Vice with my diamond. Cut Turn right here and just tap it once with this mallet not to do it go what do you get. The diamonds descends does lifted in London. Two weeks ago I know I know nevermind I got it go ahead okay. Tablet again with that move thing. Please go shopowner. Who turned out the lights? Ms Sans we are in the dark. It seems as if I'm in a bit of a predicament. I can't see you but look whoever you are in this room. It's big a bog breath. I'll give you a deal. Get me have the only. 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"Minds and show them. You are unfit to exist. You cut purse you. Scoundrel you scalia wag. If you will only accept obedience or blood i choose disobedience since if you only slay dragons of your own creation i am that dragon we are coming to obstruct your injustices coming for your hierarchy hierarchy and status we are justice and we are coming to free prudence from your mall the first letter captain kit and now we'll go on and on on and on the tales of captain kit children. What about children yeah. What about the children from the sixth letter of captain mark. A pirate's life is characterized by voluntary interactions. Unfortunately the crown presses everyone into involuntary. Servitude landlubbers believe slavery was abolished years ago but the crown still claims to own us when it comes into service against against our will given sufficient ambition it would gladly draft thousands of hapless victims to kill or be killed it simply slavery by another name landlubbers routinely commanded disturb the so-called justice system in jury duty but before you swell with civic pride consider that how you feel is irrelevant to the crown you will appear as ordered or face punitive measures the crown insist that you participate in your own oppression jury summons provides pirates with a unique opportunity to obstruct injustices a jerk and vote not guilty units proven the law was violated gerakan equipped for any reason at all and not even a judge can reverse that verdict receiving a jury jury summons is basically winning the sedition lottery but if you reveal that you know this during jury selection you'll probably be dismissed. If the crown foolishly creme say pirate in jury duty dude it behooves the pirate to conceal their intention to nullify unjust laws. If he master takes one hundred percent of your labor it's called slavery but if they only take eight fifty percent they call it taxation a difference of degree not kind whether the crown claims a fourteen percent is irrelevant most of all a slave owner our desires contented slaves meaning thoughtless ones that accept their bondage these how slaves see no contradiction being drafted in a ward in slavery or summoned to to a jury to prosecute tax evasion and ideal slave knows no higher call than the masters will the crowns highest ambition is that it's slaves revere the authority already this subjugates them but the crown does not own me. 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To be a part of the show call six zero two two six four two thousand eight hundred six oh two two six four twenty eight hundred it and now ernest handcock. Give me money or love whatever you know. They use the money but what we're going to do is <hes> we'll talk to you about. We've already getting some feedback from the audience on your reputation reputation in the lateran different things <hes> our our goal is not to <hes> write a crypto. It's to say what it needs to be yeah. Our goal is not to do pirate community. I mean we do you know the wifi thing and f._m. Radio and we got home and we do some stuff that we can do that white paper. It's a black paper right the black papers yeah. That'd be interesting yeah. It's our black. We've been calling them kind of white papers but yeah they're the black papers of captain so we were gonna have some fun the <hes> on reputation they're talking about well. You can use crypto to do this and have a wallet that you know you add to in this and you can reveal not reveal your data and your for your health records or this or your reputation dented go yeah. That's all very interesting. I'm not interested in writing it. I just know what criteria have yeah you know. It's just like hailing frequencies invisible crown. Well you can do it. Do it do it. You know we need a decentralized super-duper. Private secret crypto crypto to be able to the precarious. Don't want to haul gold around the solar system. Also i mean it needs to be really really good crypto and had these features well we can do it. I don't care how you do it. It just needs to have these features so i'm not looking right at somebody. I'm encouraging people to do it but we're coming up with a reputation criteria like we did like we did for <hes> pirate communications like we've done for. You know a lot of things so i'm going yeah. We're just doing white black paper. You know black lack of white paper whatever you know on reputation because i think daddy it's a credit score. You're going to be central plan the crown social through credit score and then you have the actual financial credit score. Is it credit score of credit score of twitter. You'll banja score. I mean how do you do this and and what we want is. What people think of you like. The first question is would you serve with this crew member on another ship if they leave you you want to come back on a thing like are the eligible for rehire okay so if you do something simple like that you know that's fine but that's not really what needs to be done to start with in the beginning. You have to be to where you are able to identify somebody that yeah it. Is that person you are who you say. You are even if you do a different name if i go on another ship. They're going to do the biometric of d._n._a. A name breath thumbprint wherever the hell they're going to do not centralized through demand but you're going. Oh see you got your idea. You damn skippy. I am because i can and i am looking to hire somebody that i don't know or don't have the reputation cover test out or probation a or something you know so oh you were you know so <hes> captain scumbag on the ship whatever order you now. I'm i'm ready to carpenter the aperture of the same person. I don't care what you call yourself. You're the same person so you can your reputation precedes. You know so that is you your reputation procedure. Which is what you want well some people don't you want but they're usually beg is yeah you know it occurs to me something. We'll probably gonna need to address and maybe blockchain's way to do this. But whatever is that anything that's recorded reputation ranking or or an incident report goes into a person's file to calculate their reputation or whatever all of those are confessions to crimes and so there's a sense in which we have to make sure that such a database is out of the hands of the crown. Yeah i'm well. It's going well identifies to some biometric yeah. They're gonna have facial recognition initiative on everything everywhere for every and on the precarious it's an a._i. Thing and it's got its own. Neil security system of whatever and captain mark is going to now. This is my criteria correa. It's like what are libertarians and anarchists a bunch of couch surfing. You know living in the basement of kind of move into bohemian lifestyle of whatever the health you know which is fine but i you know i'm. I'm looking at if you're going to be part of that i know who you are and what your reputation nation is. And how do you know some other ship. <hes> in china goes well. It's on the blockchain. You know it's a database. Are you joined it. You don't have to and also it's just something that we're going reputation and i remember there was young look this up. It was a cover of time magazine and i remember her. Emmy put it in see my searching here time magazine trust us. I think that was the the title of it and go to images and trust us trust us trust trust to and what it was it was like an andy warhol all four panel front kavi alec four pictures in like andy warhol. Would you know have different screens and it was <hes> <hes> yeah time trust us cover trust us cover because it was featuring airbnb and uber and walk my dog dog and all this other stuff and it was the reason they did that is. They're going yeah the new economy. It seems like it's it's just trusting people to do whatever forum and go out to tender. I trust you that. I won't get to diseased just by having sex with you or something. I don't know whatever but the doesn't pop up because they don't want it to but <hes> so i'm i'm interested interested in this concept of yeah killed the precedent. Make trouble not war i. I'm the concept of we determine. We have the reputation when ebay i came out and so on this new concept of <hes> well. How do i know i am giving money. How do i know that i'm going to get the proper well. You had a reputation score. <hes> could you stay on the platform or your scumbag. You know you bad on serviced. The best delivery take too long was the product broken that kind of thing the same kind of reputation ranking can happen to individuals in fact it. Does you know you're online you gotta you. You got a reputation thing that you'd be a work with and so you know you're a big giant facebook trolling whatever aisle triggering whatever whatever guy people are only triggered by me because my thoughts are provocative not because i'm provocateur yeah question reputation haitian how how would they you know i oh my god here comes dhabi. He's posed run away or was he had to send me an houses right and what would you have. Have you reputation of high or low reputation even the guys that don't like what you're saying. Give you a high reputation and he say it well. That certainly happens. I mean read regional shulman's review of voluntary slam he says i want to hate this guy so i wanna hate this book but i have nothing to complain about this book so yeah i j show just died yeah he did. Did you know that when we got you know alongside night videos. Some signed jordan signed jurors because he's in the movies and signed copy of alongside night signed bye bye jordan page yeah but he goes like this. He goes man this. This movie was hard to watch but i made it so it. Was you know now the jays and i did the director cut commentary with them. They added that to move. You'll see on there. It makes it makes it makes the movie a lot easier to watch but it was you know but he did something you got off his but actually wrote a book and then decades later impacted people so much that they you know funded ended the movie and then he kinda you know got all whatever but it is the reputation of what the first guy dan five. Who are you tired of governments murdering people around the world stop using their money. There is an alternative bitcoin is a stateless free-market. Non-political currency bitcoin cannot be inflated or controlled by any government by using their money. You are helping the state stop doing it. 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I think a lot of people know they may not think added matters ernie. Do you think oh god you know. I got family and friends they. Do you really think that they're one whoa at the party. Did you watch the video the google thing you saw them watching down here on the table yeah some guys from stepwise their blockchain company for five of the guys came and they were just came back from <hes> philippines some of them and so on and they're working with us on some stuff and they just you know friends. They wanna hang out say u._s. Up so they came to the party. Dourdan page played friday night. He rocked at man he did it. I mean after eleven o'clock. It's kinda like neighbors man. We had big big speakers. Michael connor guy does lavar audio and video and for different events and so on and be doing the vaccine education summit april twenty eight and we selected another speaker are kind of final one the last one we're negotiating with dell big tree or off r._f._k. Junior it's allows relieving spot. They're working on that now the thing that i want to explain to them we were talking about the censorship stuff. That's all breaking where they've been out of the country. I mean they haven't been right in you know they. They didn't <hes> really know that project. Veritas had come out with this one video and i said here watch it's only six eight minutes and wound up being like nineteen minutes or like. Hey man what there's this things in but i just here just watch this and i went off when i came back. I don't know it's like eight does guys sitting around watching this thing on the computer in the family room there on the table and they're just sitting there watching this thing of just how documented from insiders at at google how they're manipulating your reputations how they're banning blocking doing and i'm going yep. It's here now davi in the research on a lot of this stuff. You know you came across exactly the problem that we were talking about yeah identity theft or it's not it's it's jalen theft but you know yeah so i found an article in my research on reputation. It's like well. How do we solve these problems in our society and i found an article and and people start talking about this guy named david barker and he used to do economic research for the federal. David is your name my legal name. Mike brown name hit your slave name so when he goes to college he had a roommate named david or something do not dhabi now you know so. That's how that started but this guy's name is david bark. This guy's name is david barker and listened to the titles of some of his books. Okay we got little grey bastards the incessant alien presence. It's the book about extraterrestrials jubilee on wall street and optimistic look at the global financial crash. That totally sounds like a title. I could write nightmare's realm. New tales of the weird and fantastic totally sounds like a book. I could write welcome to free america totally sounds like a book. I could write but this guy i went and found his his bio and he's a professor at the american university in washington in the department of government and the director of the director of the center for congressional and presidential studies he's gone. He's a status like and so being able to do it like if you came across this independently out there in the wild on the web. You might think this guy was me but you have to be able to distinguish. You have to be able to say no. These are not my books. These are not this is one thing. I kept pushing on this reputation letter. I'm going. It doesn't matter if you don't know who's reputation your lateran. I mean you know it if it's not you how do you prove it you and then twitter used to have i remember nick sarwari came over and he was he was and he made a big deal look. I'm i'm a super twitter account or whatever the heck. It was verify verification icon what he's talking about. What the hell does that even mean. He was excited about it. Look twitter told me i mean for for celebrities and political figures in anyone who's prominent prominent twitter off or used to offer a verification icon to say hey. We definitely confirmed via email that you're who you say you are and so we're going to give you this little icon so that other people impersonating you don't have this little icon and people know which one is really your account and he stopped doing it yeah. They decided it was too difficult to verify the identity of people and at that wasn't business. They wanted to be in all right. Well you know and that's you know what we're advocating because i want to be in the business of doing it either. So you know you got at different guys out there different software. We're getting emails from people saying hey. I know how does this to facebook. Occasionally goes through these waves. I have not letting people use fake names and essentially freezing people's accounts until they can provide documents that they're using the real name. I remember when that started it. I used to be you. Could i mean everything you used to be free and you can do whatever you wanted to have whatever account and whatever and whatever well then all of a sudden we have after no it has to be tied. You can't just put up an email. There has to be an email. That's certified of you have like web pages every year. I'll get a thing from go. Go daddy or where we have you know domains or so on they go you gotta i._d. Yourself or it shuts down. I can be very fine the latest justin greatest <hes> your address d._n._a. Sample and if you don't do it it goes away. This internet is so locked down that but when you get bad data in and the associate you with another guy or something kinda screwed you know it's like somebody pretty steals your identity. You spend the rest of your freaking life trying to carve out who you really are not them and credit rating. It's it's a pain in the ass so we're trying to work on something. That's decentralized. That's not centralized that can't be you're just rip diamond and it doesn't mean the man will get the list but they're not creating it it you know. I think that i think that false accusations. They just fall away if you're consistent and authentic right like i've been accused of conspiracy to murder someone and anybody who saw that was like a i'll think so i've been accused of trying to spread sharia law in america or whatever being isis agent or whatever and it's like. I think anybody anybody who heard me talk about anything. Read anything. I've ever written is sort of like <hes>. This sounds like an incredible claim yeah. You and i probably certainly in liberty community unity. We're not unknown and we go to different things and we had and i just i mean just the people that we've had speak at our freedom summit. Yeah they go to the freedom summit. These are guys from from all walks of with your candidate. They on i met him. You seem kinda. Okay you know and then and then of course they get busier and they go on to bigger and better things sort of whatever ernie who but you know it. There's enough exposure out. There is enough campaign. There's enough articles written. There's enough you know thousands of videos and hours ars of an m._p. Threes and whatever we're probably okay in the long run alcohol you did to maybe get some people come to your defense and they'll at least make an effort for to check it out so people just react knee jerk and reflexively i hate you whatever but the if you had the ability to solidify defy the validation on your claim that you're you you know and they can do it with blockchain and facial recognition to account deb. I don't know i don't care. It's not my a problem. My thing is is that if you don't identify which david barker it is no matter what you say because it's wrong guy or it gets mixed so you have to i._d. That consensus brand confusion yeah so i'm so that's the first thing and more kept emphasizing that that needed to be part of it all of a sudden. All these examples popped up shirt where god showed you your name. <hes> somebody else writing pro federal reserve stuff i did. I make take my point. I wasn't even looking for i'm reading an article about how reputation inadequate society and then suddenly it's like david barker not to be confused with davi bar and i'm like what what exactly my point i'm so this is why we're doing this so that we can have the the ability for us when you build a reputation that it goes the good and the bad to the right people because it was the distinguished gentleman was the name of the movie eddie murphy he gets. 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It's time for declare your independence with ernest handcock. We're back what oh i pushed the wrong button. Damn too many buttons me back on. Declare your independence of me or understand cock here in phoenix arizona. Declare are your independence davi barker and we're talking about. This reacting value distracted sorry. David barker is from california. You david barker are from california correct read off some of the titles of the stuff that he's writing. Let's see here lost it. We're gonna go <hes> <music> but it's all titles and stuff that you know. You think that you know davi would right. You know it's kind of wow. I mean you call this guy. Hey i'm david barker and i want to interview david under david barker 'isms this is one of his books one nation to realities dueling facts in american democracy second title how the culture wars ars changed the way citizens speak and politicians listen third title rush to judgment talk radio persuasion and american political behavior like these are all titles. I could have written. This is the thing you you have to have my let me tell you a story and you'll understand where my thought process and why the the idea thing is so important but he's from the department of government yeah. That's yeah yeah but neil this. I'm going from memory so this is you know religious me about my accuracy here in the mid ninety s as win. The big militia was going on the militia segment segment. The clintons are trying to take the guns and gun manufacturers had the assault weapon ban and they were selling them bunch of guns. I mean you know it was big thing well during that time and there was a board member named neal knox and i think there's a neal knox junior as santu or something anyway one of them was very influential in the second amendment sphere of rights and politics and so on well people all wasn't you'll have to say this new fangled thing called e email well. It was very just like you would have like guns and email and online activism resum was a married you'd have gun stores that would have servers in the back and i remember when it was called on ramp and you get your first email accounts your i._s._p. Ear internet service provider to get on the internet. You know there's department defense thing so you have somewhere we had a bunch of motors in the back jack and servers and it was how many modems could could you get well ma bell and the baby bells and bell of whatever telephone they do everything they could to make it to where you couldn't and service and munson will think about it and because they wanted to get into the business there are kinda slow walking this so then we had all kinds of things with the corporation commission shannon's being buds about whatever because we knew what they were doing well then i was at a safe at indirect dot com second amendments for everyone it was my first email account somebody got for me and when we did that what happened was all of these small ones got swallowed up by bigger and bigger and bigger ones and and now you're cox or something so so what we did is during all of the discussion and debate and <hes> laws and call your congressman and all that kind of stuff that the republicans mckinsey and the gun owners era heavily on right to keep and bear armless member are k._b._a. Dot e._d._u. Wherever they issue thing hang that was hosted by one of the faculty there and he was a gun right's guy and then he was on the faculty at professor. He was something else but anyway so they had this list on this last asked and it was kind of you could generate when knox would send something this n._r._a. Guy that was kind of more hardcore than he was. He was an activist guy. He was like a these compromise is in political pieces of crap and blah blah. Blah show a lot of the activists there like what he said. I got trust and trump. I got i got trump tweet. I gotta go do whatever the hell he tell well. That's what this this guy did right. Before a vote there was an email look just like him and his name. You call your congressman. Tell him to vote. Yes or no on this particular thing well. It was the opposite opposite of what he would normally have said but it had an impact on the vote and legislation and how yada yada yada he goes dat was not me you know how the hell held. You prove it was me how do you do that. Well what he did is he used p._g._p. He started putting his private key up there. You know that he put his private key up and then that way you knew it was from him as public key opened it because the private key <hes> it's encrypted. You don't know what the key is but you can't read it unless you have the private. He's had a little portion in there so you could validate it was him and that was like would mandate like that. Dammit they're out there. You know like getting accurate on who's what because we can't say. We're somebody else so. This is the mindset that i'm getting whenever you know what if they took and just totally duplicated pirateswithoutborders dot com had pirates without borders dot org and letters captain marcus thou shalt worship the ground or something well there already is a pirates without borders facebook book page that comes from a group in germany so we couldn't get that title officially. What have we got. We got the name pirates without borders but they got facebook slash pirates without borders so ours as i think facebook slash captain mark okay so it's cool. I've seen artwork. I saw something that was pirates borders something. I'm going cool. We're not the only ones that but we got dot com. Oh so that all yeah we got a new set. We're sitting there yacking and everything got who watches the watchers kind of got watching the watchers dot online watching the watchers online. I shall i do with that. That's a good one something some. I'm back cost me a dollar seventeen with tax so this is why think so important to be who you are to be validated. You know this is the per se you know. It's like the real donald j trump or some crap like that. How do you decide you know who the real. I can put up on. Somebody can go up on the real ernest handcock at you know so no real. What does that mean so my count on the state do it. I'm counting on google which is as a state you know to do this. We need to have it ourselves. A reputation list blockchain index something now you don't you think that all they went all you can't name coin. That's what name coin was all about. <hes> your name coin was validate that you are this person that has control on this domain or this website or something like that. That was the point so all. This stuff is already being done. It's just like with the crypto. I don't want wanna do it. I want to make sure it gets done. I wanted to have certain criteria. It needs to do this this and this dots what we're working on. So how many pages you up to all your crap that you got source material on reputation. I'm at eighty seven pages right now. That's down from one hundred and fifty yesterday and i think the bulk of the letter is starting to come together so i have a kind of draft here. Let's see what the word count on that is and it's eighty seven words right now which which isn't a lot but scott the meat of it yeah no it might. I don't have a problem with it but we have some of them. One hundred seventy eight words or two hundred words or something like that means rate is the shortest one. I have a feeling this one's gonna end up. Currently this week yeah see. We thought the sweet trade was the free market you know when they say oh my god words hundred and eighty two because we thought that was going to be this jessye norman thing then we thought and i go like this. We started captain kidd. We're going. I go you know. This seems like it's going to be short which means it's going to be long. Well wound. That'd be a long long but it's long you agreed in ten minutes but the <hes> you know eight and a half minutes. I think we did so when you have things like reputation. We're looking at this. We think this might get long but it probably be short. Just like the sweet trade. The sweet trade was how how pirates referred to the free market. This is when both sides said thank you. You know like i give you this. You give me that sweet trade sweet pirates caressing wrestle sweet you know way before it was cool so you have or they made it cool so sweet. Trade is about economics and how you engage with other people. I only deal with people in the sweet trade to where we both are happy and we have this reputation thing can go into that so when we did it and wound up being you know boom set it short sweet done they also this one is going to be <hes>. I don't know you know i keep turning off your mic because you're pounding bounded on the keyboard you know i hear that you know the show <hes> reputation. You're thinking you're about done at eighty something words or woah. No i just it's it's. It's it's the first sort of inkling of a draft. It's not a complete draft but i'll probably get through the rest of these pages ages notes today and probably have something like a first draft hopefully today so when you get these pages of notes you're just taking the concepts or even the sentences or whatever hiring hiring it up a little bit you know making applicable to whatever we're doing put at the end and then that's when we start going over so it's like i've got i've got a couple of libertarians like like <hes> stephanie walter block and got their quotes on mary rothbart. I got anthropologist work on the role of reputation african tribal societies. I got an article of a historian story in about reputation as it works in pirate societies these things all kind of coagulate into a sort of m theory reputation for pirates. You know what happens happens when they do this. After a while you get you know a hundred two hundred pages of different articles and stopped you read them you start pulling out things and then you see how much overlap you know there's there's a lot of overlap one white read the other one back and forth and so on and then you know <hes> dhabi kind of puts them together and kind of takes out all the repeats guy gets the concept then he and i start words netting then it's like every little itty bitty you'll change to kind of you know and we add the invisible hook stuff so when we do that you know we get done pretty satisfied with this. It's timeless and unassailable. We agree dhabi and i agree you probably will a congressman recently revealed that legislation totaling twenty nine hundred pages and involving more than one trillion dollars was available to members of congress for less than forty eight hours to study and considered. That's over sixty pages of legislation for our. Do you think anyone read the entire bilk. 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This stream is supported by advertises houses and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's mm-hmm service daily newscast for tuesday august twentieth two thousand nineteen. I might clifford a move for commonsense. This gun laws heads to the states plus will trump judges decide a decade of civil rights topping our news fired cop daniel pantaleo will lsu the police commissioner james o'neill and the n._y._p._d. And new york to win back his job that from the new york post his lawyer said monday pantaleo filed suit under the state's civil practice law and rules and why p._d. Commissioner o.'neil fire pantaleo over the death of eric garner in twenty fourteen incident excellent on staten island that fueled the black lives matter movement that one is cell phone video showed the victim repeatedly shouting. I can't breathe and talk a federal gun control of dissuasion continue in the weeks following the mass shootings in el paso and dayton that claimed thirty one lives some tennessee lawmakers are pushing for what they call commonsense gun laws democratic representative and caucus chair michael steward of nashville says there are clear steps. The governor could take make your in this state governor. Lee should have us implement. Universal background checks like colorado and many other states. That's step one early this year. Republican senator steve dickerson introduced state senate bill eleven seventy eight a so called red flag bill that would allow law enforcement to petition a court to temporarily early remove a person's access to firearms if believed to be a danger to themselves or others lee has said it's still too early to consider such measures naughty ramlogan reporting facing mounting public pressure and protest outside his louisville senate majority leader. Mitch mcconnell has recently announced the senate. Could i would possibly consider gun. Control legislation will lawmakers return in the fall meantime a judicial watchdog group says mcconnell's created assembly line for for approving conservative judges who will determine the civil rights of americans for decades to come before recessing last month. The republican controlled senate confirmed thirteen new judges to lifetime appointments in a two day period daniel goldberg with the alliance for justice says young white mostly male judges will rule in the rights for workers women the l._g._b._t._q. Community and consumer protections for the next three to five decades people who use the court who use their position as lifetime judges to u. jam a radical agenda that they could not achieve otherwise onto the country since president donald trump took office. He said one hundred forty six. Federal judges is confirmed by the senate compared with twenty during president barack obama's last two years in office. I'm russ brown earlier. This year. You may recall mcconnell at a vote to change the rules of debate for confirming district judges from thirty hours to two hours that followed his decision to block merrick garland obama's pick for the supreme court for almost a year this this is p. n._s. More than a year after you supreme court ruling some thought would deal a big blow to unions are taken off reports. The organization vases show no signs of slowing down at least in washington state the two thousand eighteen decision on janus versus apps me had the potential to cut off one revenue stream to public unions allowing employees to shirk fair share fees even as the unions continued to negotiate for them. The olympia based group freedom foundation thought this would be an opportunity to get a union members to opt out of paying these fees. Peter stars ski with the northwest accountability project says that isn't how things played out. Reality is our effort has been failure as we've seen union membership in washington increase and all along the west coast including in washington union continue to win important victories like increases increases in the minimum wage eight sickly for all fair scheduling union membership in the evergreen state actually grew in two thousand eighteen part of a trend that began. I anti thousand fourteen representation is now close to twenty percent of the workforce making washington the third most unionized state in the country according to the u._s. Bureau of labor statistics six the freedom foundation did not respond to a request for comment on this story membership in washington federation of state employees grew from forty four thousand before the janice link forty forty five thousand after that ruling and the life expectancy for people was constant has declined for a second straight year. That's according to new report. The nonpartisan in wisconsin policy forum compiled data from the state department of health services and the centers for disease control and prevention showing increased deaths from alcohol abuse abuse and opioids. The group's policy researcher marked summer hauser says he also notice a troubling mortality trend among the states black residence what we found on just that overall mortality among black wisconsin i did increase by about twenty four percent within that time period from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand seventeen and that was something that flew in the face of the national trend mortality rates black americans were down by six percent during that same time period summer hauser says he's unsure of the exact cause of the trend but but not the state's opioid death rate for black people in twenty seventeen was nearly double the national average in milwaukee county the opioid death rate for all races. He says was more than twice the statewide rate between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen. I'm trammell jones. D mandatory display of the model in god god we trust is going to greet south dakota students from the return of public schools of thursday annie. Laurie gaylor is with the freedom for religion foundation. She believes it's improper. I think this is a very inappropriate motto. Because we have a godless constitution. We are not a theocracy. Nobody has to believe in god. God is no part of our government. Congress adopted topped the in god. We trust motto back in nineteen fifty six i by clifford for public news service. We are member listener supported and we're online at public. Do do service dot o._r._g. Forty five ooh ooh ooh <music> mark fifteen o eight seven six five take off hege j. t. You're welcome to r._f._i._d. Today on a tuesday. I read a frazier. We're here the r._f._i._d. Radio network full program for you again today. We'll talk weather at the end of the hour with bryce andersen d._t. N. chief meteorologist theologists. We'll have an extra view. The road with kirby wagner from governmental affairs always informational with kirby and we'll also talk with brad's ads willing f._b._i. F._m. will talk about the farm economy and advice for farmers heading into harvest twenty nineteen. We'll we'll be back with a gromark conversation. When we come back our your commodities protected from the ravaging effects of stored grain insects whether buying or selling grain protect your prophets trumpets with solutions from central life sciences for pennies a bushel grain protections such steichen agr little easy insecticide or that kind of our plus can help maximize awesome is your profits from rescue treatments with an i found a broad spectrum insecticide long-term control an insect growth regulator. Keep your grains clean with central life sciences to learn more at your local dealer or at bug free greens dot com welcome back to our f._d. Today we're gonna talk agronomy with the folks from gromark brad soltys in studio. He is grow. Mark weeds science technical manager and arete. It's the first time i've gotten the opportunity to talk with you so just in case. Some of our listeners are getting to know you and where you came from urine illinois a southern illinois farm boy yes correct part <hes> grew up in a small town around the red bud area <hes> attended southern illinois university in carbondale for a bachelor's and master's degree and abc masters of science and weed science and then came to grow mark so so been a little over a year about <hes> fifteen months that i've been with gromark why or when did you decide that we signs was gonna be your specialty. I decided during my bachelor's program graham <hes> taken <hes> we'd science course and that's kind of where the the interest really drew from and then <hes> got involved with the weeds fans program at sl union at <hes> led to the chance to do my <hes> my graduate degree program there and that's where the the interest really came from was m._s._i. You and looking at looking back. I mean the the weed problems that <hes> that we're facing here in the midwest <hes> i think it's very very rewarding career to be an in <hes> in a time that we're in an agriculture for sure and when you think about out over all concerns outside of finances number two probably it is we management yeah and once once you once you think about the the yield loss potential from some of these problematic weeds species it <hes> <hes> it really does float to the top of <hes> of issues that <hes> that growers are facing nowadays august nineteenth nineteenth to twentieth now that we're airing. What are you seeing <hes> and just kind of reminder. Listeners your geography that you cover and again what's popping up so i i do cover the northern northern quarter of illinois <hes> the whole state of wisconsin and then all of iowa so now the <hes> the main problem that we've seen this year and a lot of it. <hes> you know we can't control mother nature dumping <hes> excessive rainfall on us this spring spring so you know we the the we'd burned downs early in the spring that <hes> typically would have occurred didn't occur as timely as they they normally normally would so we were not now spraying you know eight to twelve inch weeds <hes> and a lot of those we'd being mare's tail <hes> some of the winter annuals the chick we'd been dead nettle see got a pretty good carpet that out there as well as all the mare's tail you have some <hes> some early emerging giant ragweed ragweed see ya overall have a rather large <hes> dense tall population of weeds that we're trying to go after <hes> earlier we got at once they were a lot smaller but mother nature dealt that hand and <hes> so we were going after it with a a lot more chemistry the the normal <hes> so you looking at <hes> with weeds the didn't isomers tale that was too tall <hes> we didn't get good control of early so we were looking at options in soybeans to <hes> to control it and <hes> the adage of when you injure a weed you so you tend to have more problems later in the season trying to control it so you know we we saw a lot of that <hes> later in the season trying to control the the late late. Mare's tail that we didn't get on that <hes> on that spring burned down. We were looking at <hes>. Some of those acres not even getting a pre emerge application because the <hes> the planner got in got the soybeans planted the sprayer wasn't able to get in between those rain passes asses <hes> and those rainy spells and once the the soybeans were up <hes> pre products. You tend to lose a few of those products products. You still have some to choose from but <hes> a lot of those cases the the growers thought we'll just come in with an early post and hopefully get get the majority of those weeds weeds but <hes> when whenever you don't get that pre product on you're looking at <hes> even more weeds to control on that post trip because you don't have any product correct <hes> in the herd is we always used in grad school so you had more weed control in that post trip <hes> and some of them did get rather are large and then you had weeds that you didn't control on that spring burned down that <hes> you are also trying to control see you're. You're throwing doing <hes> throwing a lot more at that post trip than what you normally would. If you had a good burn down <hes> a successful burnt down i should say with a pre emerge urge product down so you were really really <hes> throwing more at our our posts chemistry's than we normally would <hes> and that was due to you mother nature's untimely rainfall events and such so so here we are what farmers do from here on forward so you know we have a lot of good options <hes> and as as i'm sitting here today <hes> your now phone calls are are still coming in looking at <hes> you know on those acres up prevent plant what we do so you know we have. We have some options you going back to the fundamentals of weed science you. Have you know you can mow those acres. You can spray those acres. You can tell it you can do a combination of them to <hes> to to get the weeds under control because ultimately what we're wanting is to not let that that we'd produce seed wants that we'd produce a seed then we we have more issues <hes> moving forward once that week goes to see they always say that's the next seven years problem so ultimately we don't want the we don't want the weeds to go to seed but <hes> if they do and a lot of those cases some of them still will but you know we have a lot of a lot of good options moving forward word but <hes> here in the in the near future the next couple months. I mean the the areas that we have problem problematic with <hes> mirrors. Mare's tail we could we could come at it in the fall <hes> from a different angle <hes> you know come at it with a with a fall burn down and <hes> and and we can talk about that that would be great because we actually do have another segment because we're up against the break. We'll talk about a fall. Burn down your recommendation for growers after <unk> harvest when we come back. This is our f._d. Today are your commodities protected from the ravaging effects of stored grain insects whether buying or selling grain protect pick your prophets with solutions from central sciences for pennies bushel grain protect such as diet. Can i g ours little insecticide or that. Kind of our plus can help maximize your profits from rescue treatments with an i found of broad spectrum insecticides long term control with an insect growth regulator. Keep your grains clean with central life sciences learn more at your local dealer at bug free greens dot com and we are rolling through tuesday edition of r._f._i._d. Today coming up as we mentioned at the top of the hour will be talking kirby wagner extra view from the road. We'll be talking with curvy ac- represents a governmental affairs and commodities heared i f. b. 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You know we're we're looking at controlling a three or four inch rosette. We'd versus a six or eight eight inch bolted. Mare's tail that becomes more problematic coverage becomes an issue. <hes> you know you're throwing additional sites of action at <hes> at control measure there were we come out with a simple a simple <hes> glyphosate to forty uruguay for satan die cambe or dyke cambe to forty eighty. If we're primarily going after the the broadleaf weeds we stand a much more successful <hes> opportunity to <hes> to control these weeds you know once they get <hes> get some size to them after that <hes> that cold period and emerge in the spring and bolt then we will lose efficacy on on these bigger we'd so if we come out in the fall with you know something just as simple as that to forty glad to forty day camp kind of thing you know where we stand a lot better chance of controlling them and you know you're you're getting the soil surface <hes> able to warm up easier in the spring because you're you're having less foliage on top you get the sunlight down to that soil surface to warm warm it up and dry it out a lot quicker than normal therefore you're getting the opportunity to get planted sooner <hes> we were now pushing that envelope for or higher yields and ultimately that <hes> that has resulted from earlier planting and such so if we can get get the get the crop drop in the ground earlier higher yield <hes> so you know that that all starts with getting that that ground cover off early and we can do that <hes> <hes> very efficiently effectively in the fall with a fall burn down so what are the guidelines <hes> when you mentioned i can <hes> n._f._l. Application what what are our guidelines currently there well typically were not looking at using like an extended max or an ingenious type product. We're looking at <hes>. You know something like clarity already an older formulation of dyke cambe that <hes> you know it's cooler in the fall. We're not having a lot of potential for off target movement and such so oh you know <hes> following the guidelines of the label. The label is the law. That's the legal binding document so as long as you're following label and doing doing that application asian recommendation on the label you're you're in in the clear window there so let's transition there <hes> rat into what you were talking about some options for soiling traits down the road when we talk about flex beans. Where are we in how close to market. Are we yeah rita so we we do have options nations moving into twenty twenty and beyond <hes> the extent flex ground up pretty extent flex program is not on the market to growers yet but that dad is a trait package that confers resistance to over the top post emerges applications of glyphosate die cambe or glufosinate so it confers first resistance of those three <hes> those three sites of action there that <hes> that we could use but we're not looking at that here for for twenty twenty growers for the two thousand twenty growing season anyway but <hes> with that i mean we still have plenty of of great options. We have the roundup ready extend system that <hes> that we can utilize which confers assistance to glyphosate and die cambe we have <hes> the liberty links system that confers resistance to lou fascinate donate over the over the top. We have the liberty light g._t. Twenty seven platform where we can apply glufosinate or glyphosate independently or we can apply them together over the top with the option of a chemistry that is not yet approved so we don't have a label for it yet would be like a light twenty seven so an h._p. Formulation asian that you could apply pre emerge only to the soybeans and then <hes> we'll have the the new player in the market the analyst e three <hes> platform which which confers resistance to glyphosate <hes> to forty coleen and glufosinate so another oxen trae platform that will have out on the the market growers will have <hes> after exposure but without i mean we we need to keep in mind that we have all these options are uh trait packages and such but we need to go back to the fundamentals of science and when you start clean with a the better chance to end clean clean certainly and <hes> you know we need to utilize a good burn down program with a good solid pre emerged program with multiple effective sites of action on are problematic weed species whether that be water him or giant ragweed or mayor stale. Whatever your <hes> your driver we'd is there. We need to have some <hes> some residuals in the the mix that <hes> that would help hold that back so we're not putting a lot of selection pressure on our post emerge products so last thirty seconds here anything you didn't cover or what would be your takeaway for us. The takeaway is in the challenging times. <hes> you know we we have a lot of good options moving forward <hes> you know i know that but <hes> i in this era of agriculture right now where <hes> you know times are looking down with with crop prices. <hes> keep keep optimistic addictive. You know we do have a lot of good options for growers to combat weed resistance moving forward and now there's a lot of different trait packages out there that you can use <hes> lot of good management strategies ahead of us here in twenty twenty and beyond one of the great team members of the gromark agronomy team rhett salty. We'll be back with more r._f._i._d. 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Zwilling brat is with illinois farm business farm management team hi brad good morning reader you have some interesting numbers because it involves farmland values and in two thousand nineteen given the ag economy lots of interest in unjust that topic yes <hes> we every year the national agricultural statistics service releases a an estimate of what the average farmland and crop land values are and we look at the farmland state <hes> yeah estate values which looks at real estate values that looks at farm and farm buildings and looks at the value for that <hes> on those values are based on surveys of farmers from different areas of the nation and and for two thousand seventeen the census comes back and change those estimates so we've seen a few changes what the numbers have been over the last five years but nothing drastic in those changes what was really interesting talking to you off air. Just ahead of our conversation in here is what you are pointing out about comparisons. <hes> you know what you took away that these numbers reminded you of a time perhaps back in the early early eighties yeah when you're when i just strictly looking on not on percent change but on a graph and looking at a dollar change and the early eighties we were seeing <hes> lane values is fluctuating farm real estate values fluctuating from that two thousand to fifteen sixteen hundred dollar range and we've seen that now since about two thousand and <hes> about two thousand fourteen we've been fluctuating from about twenty seventy four eighty seventy to eighty and we've been fluctuating just in that so very small changes and if you look in graph half of the farmland values from nine hundred seventy two two thousand nineteen there's two periods in arrowhead that dislike fluctuation and that was the early eighties and now the <hes> since since two thousand fourteen what and how can farmers utilize these numbers. How should they utilize these numbers so so you got to realize this number is for the whole state illinois so it's an average for the whole state but what we can do with that is creating index and be able to use that as you know farmland over time time is going to the percent change fairly fairly accurate. Now you're gonna have different pockets throughout the state that have a different change in value but we can take that and we've we have an index we have or that real estate value for all the way back to nineteen twelve to two thousand nineteen so he us nineteen seventy-nine baseline at one hundred for an index and so comparing to nineteen seventy nine two thousand nineteen values three point nine to three point nine two times what it was in nineteen seventy nine so by using in those indexes you can use it to get an estimation of what you know. If you know what the value is worth back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five you can use it in estimate what the value is today in two thousand nineteen or vice versa. If you wanted to know what that farmland was worth back in nineteen seventy you can compare that index number from the two thousand nineteen number to the nineteen eighteen seventy number very very interesting. I also ask you how lenders will view this most recent information. You know that was you know with the first day you know adjusted back the values i mean we saw anywhere from one to two percent down in the visor over the last five years from this so i think the cape away way is is the think about you know from nineteen thousand eighteen to two thousand nineteen. There was no change in farm farm land real estate so <hes> we're after we cautious especially especially. We've looked this window. It's just been moving one percent one way or the other <hes> there's many factors go into that and i think we need to be very conservative in our farmland values as we put them on our balance balance-sheets because things can change fairly quickly if things change you know we have a lot of things going on in two thousand nineteen that have had a huge impact our income levels <hes> uh-huh and they could start showing some changes in our values so being very conservative and seeing what those farmland values <hes> really are not just going off well this. It's continued to go up so we need to keep adjusting farmland up. We need to start analyzing that and really get a true value. And how does this these numbers. How does this translate into rental rates. Yeah yeah that that's a good question. <hes> we haven't seen rental rates really come down a lot. I mean i mean i kind of look at society. If i'm real praises and farm managers to see kind of what those survey they numbers come out <hes> but as farmland levels off like this and interest rates begin to ongo up you know it's going to be see what you know in long-term it should show that some those kashmir levels to start leveling off and made it down or up going from ford but it's hard to tell what's going to happen right now with because lane just kinda is being inconsistent there with the lane by moving one hundred dollars an acre every so often just under two minutes remaining brad. What what are your takeaways for us today. Yeah i think <hes> the big takeaways are to think about <hes> you know looking at this land value over a period of time. We've we've seen so far. I mean going to point a few numbers out here so fence two thousand fifteen eighteen real estate values have ranged from a difference of negative one half percent decrease to one point seven percent increase so like i said before they really changed much but in that timeframe from like the early nineties from ninety five nine nine we were seeing increases from four point two two nine percent that range in that timeframe so being cautious being looking at those things understanding that farley and how that is evaluating. What are the players in people that are buying farm ground. <hes> you know what is happening currently currently outside. I think that's going to be the big takeaway to figure out kind of where things are at and were there going. <hes> you know we look at <hes>. The the two thousand eighteen jin change from very much from the two thousand seventeen went down or went up one point seven percent so from two thousand eighteen and nineteen didn't change. We're we're very interesting to see what it is. <hes> so one thing to point out <hes> even though there's no change when we compare two thousand nineteen to two thousand and ten so ten years ago <hes> that was a fifty four percent increase from two thousand and ten so we've seen lane jump a lot so you know we got to really be consistent and and vigilant of watching are blamed is as we close. Just tell us where we can find this. These graphs and this information can be farm at the farm daily website w._w._w. Dot farm doc daily dot illinois dot e._d._u. And then look at the bottom of that article and their link is to that index values that i was talking to talk to you about as well brad. Will you guys be farm progress so next week we will be. We'll be in illinois <hes> college university illinois racist ten so we'll look for you there brad zwilling f._b._i. F._m. More tecom kirby wagner is on deck next. This is our f._d. 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We're holding onto the strength in the soybeans but we've slipped lower in the corn and the wheat nearby september corn this hour down one and a half three sixty three and a a half december down one and three quarters three seventy two and three quarters march down to three eighty five may down one and a half at three ninety two and and three quarters september soybeans up two and a quarter were at eight fifty six in the quarter november beans trade up two and a quarter eight sixty eight and three quarters quarters and jan up two and a quarter at eight eighty two and three quarters september week chicago down five and a quarter of this hour four sixty and a quarter order december down five and a half four sixty seven march down four and a half at four seventy five so being meal for september trading up a dollar ten were at two ninety three ten. We're back here on r._f._i._d. Today in-studio with kirby wagner with the illinois farm bureau governmental affairs division division. It's almost like kirby. We have nothing going on. In the month of august i would beg to differ. It's been kind of crazy. Oh man yeah you know all too well. Oh it's been busy. What have you get an update because you know you've kind of jumped from from one issue to the next but tell us a little bit about what's on your plate this this month as we head into default well we're still continuing our discussion on the lock and dam closures that are coming up in twenty twenty and even <hes> for just a month away in twenty nineteen so we're still trying to get the word out discuss <hes> and just informed folks at that's going on <hes> trucking. <hes> is a big topic. Now listen changes in regulations things and some things that are going on there so that's that's been what's on my plate <hes> times about hundred you're earning your keep as out all love. Your teammates in governmental affairs do every month of the year here it eleanor farm bureau. Tell us more about what september one triggers and and what we need to know about the upcoming harvest season well. It's crazy it september one's almost here just start but <hes> september one this year triggers the harvest serviced <hes> essentially harvest permit being available it used to be called the harvest season emergency permit <hes> will the law books changed where now this permit becomes uh-huh available september first every year so there's no need for the governor's declaration to her. These permit just become available to allow farmers to haul in overweight load. How is that is that has that changed and then. How long did that goes so september. One through december thirty first permits are available during that time period <hes> the only difference between <hes> this year in the last couple of years governors declaration is not required <hes> so now the permits available to hall up to ten percent over your gross weight acts await an registered wait so those three forms the way dr dressed <hes> so that permit is is going to be available starting september first <hes> to get the permit you gotta go to the jurisdiction on whose roads. You're going to travel so if you're getting the states permit you gotta go to either in their permit. System is all online. It's called the i tap website. If you google it it comes right up <hes> they have the manual that shows you how to go through it if you're going to get a permit to go on a local jurisdiction if you're going to go on a township road or county enrolled you need a permit from each jurisdiction whose road you're gonna travel. So what about postings still apply. That's the big thing that's the one thing that everybody needs to remember. The weight. Limit posted out there still applies of you have a bridge reebok's covert that has posted for a lower weight. These loads cannot go over it. No permit allows you to exceed read that weight. That's out there who established in. We've been dealing probably with the same weight limits for for a long time. How for those established well illinois <hes> we were actually the last state to go to eighty thousand pound roads came essentially had come from the fed that said hey you guys should allow all these <hes> to be <hes> eighty thousand pound roads illinois did that for the interstates at first <hes> and then eventually work their way to local roads <hes> however <hes> do the deterioration of roads and bridges. There's a lot of weight limit postings out there so not all roads are eighty thousand compounds <hes> so that has been pretty hot button issue yes. It's it's very very difficult. Issue i know and i understand that ah things have moved across these local roads <hes> but the local roads also got a hold up <hes> the new capital bill is supposed to be given a lot of money these local roads that hopefully hopefully we'll be able to rebuild get the weights back up there and help people move safely and not tear up the roads to bed and we talked to yesterday was just mentioning this to you during the break that one of our farm wheat crop watchers dan selene county randy anderson only is a farmer. He's also a road commissioner. I don't know how many of our road commissioners are also farmers but you know the link between <hes> rural illinois agriculture and rural roads is ready close and very important and and i think there is a lot of members out there that in a lot of farmers out there that are road commissioners <hes> so they understand both sides of it <hes> for those that aren't i encouraged courage to have a good relationship with your rhode officials. They're good to talk to about. Hey you know. Can i run this weight here. If it's a little colder and they work with you through the spring thaw season <hes> you we're having a good relationship with your road. Commissioner wrote wrote officials very very beneficial. It's crucial oh yeah it makes a big difference and isn't it interesting how you know we always find similarities with the agriculture industry and other industries but just take the roh commissioner for example. The drainage issue over in the farm fields is as is critical for the rural roads absolutely if you can't control drainage. It's going to be hard to keep a roadway <hes> up to par. You're also going to deal with the kind of washouts washouts and in the side of the road deteriorating depending on where you're at and how it's going so <hes> that that working together can really be beneficial for both parties last time you were on on. We talked about this little saying that you know we don't have trucks. We don't eat if the trucks don't have roads to drive on. We don't eat it. All plays plays in if you're you're gonna move things you gotta have things move him on at the same discussion. We have with the river. <hes> you gotta have a transportation mode to get the things where you gotta go. Isn't that something it's wild. You're connecting the dots for us. Kirby drying thought my learned in first grade connected that so with all this added up with your message today eh <hes> what's your takeaway. Just make sure that you're following all the permit provision. If you're going to get the harveys and permit i doubt requires a route authorization relation to come along with their permit. That's all done online. It's goal is to make sure that you don't go over and he posted structure so <hes>. I know a lot of people do get frustrated with that process. There is a guide on i. Taps <hes> the dot website go to that website read the information. If you wanna hold that over weight it can be very beneficial as long as you're following the permit provision. Don't wanna get stung so i'm not i dot website. I've never been on. I probably should but <hes> is it easy to follow because i know you guys you the answer so many questions but if folks don't find clarification there. Can they reach out to local county farm bureau. Where do they go courage to reach out the local county farm bureau. I'm going to be sending a blast out to our <hes> our county farm bureau's. I have developed a fact sheet kind of walks you through that permitting process <hes> awesome things you're going to need to know. You're going to need to know the distance between your axles. You're going to need to know the axle spacing how much you're going to carry how much you wanna be permitted to carry. <hes> i do understand. There's a lot the questions on that. I dot website but <hes> it is beneficial. Once you get through it you get through it. The first time and the rest is just all <hes> pre populate so it's not so hard we talk about the farm progress show next week. I've mentioned this sort of this program that only farm bureau. We'll have a wonderful tent there. There's ice cream there too but folks like yourself. We'll be there. I will be in attendance along with all other people for me a bunch of different divisions <hes> we're gonna be there talking to people <hes> all things that we do <hes> kind of highlight in our successes throughout the year and be willing to talk about any issues or anything that's going on. We just wanna be there and say hello yeah. It's it's it's a valuable valuable opportunity of all the places that you visit next week at farm progress show make sure that you visit the illinois farm bureau tent because kirby will be there with his teammates <hes> an answering questions. This is what you do best absolutely. I am always always willing to take questions so get a hold of me anytime she can't find me at the farm prager show ask somebody they'll hunt me down yeah and you know oh if you're the tallest are you close to the toes probably pretty close. <hes> marquette parts might give me a good run for my right but it's not ryan tracy ryan white else no tallest well. I tried to be the tall. Hey thanks for your information. We appreciate <hes> all that. Oh you do for for us and for those farmers out there we'll see kirby and lots of the staff members from illinois farm bureau next week near decatur at the illinois rather the illinois destination farm progress show twenty nine hundred. We'll be back. We'll talk weather with bryce anderson. Stay with us. Here's your livestock summary on the r._f._i._d. Not radio network. I'm rita frazier pork prices in china have touched their highest level since twenty sixteen driven by a sharp fall in that country pig population shouldn't do to africans fever. The increase in local prices could lead to more pork imports adding to the increase already being seen in meat imports. It's to china here at home. Lean hog futures on the c._m._e. Perked up yesterday following a week full of steep sell-offs odd features rose three point point three percent to sixty four to pushing prices up monday for that optimism about china's continued buying of u._s. Pork mixed with the the sentiment that hogs were oversold last week thoughts that easing political issues mainly damore pork exports were also supportive according to karl carl setzer of agrivisor at your livestock summary on the r._f._i._d. Radio network. How do people benefit for raising livestock here in illinois white rich gilbert illinois farmer president to the illinois farm bureau grown up on livestock farm was always interesting and i enjoy it more today today than i did back then but it did give me the opportunity to have a good work ethic learn to get up in the morning and you know that was difficult during my a senior in high school and holidays had a tendency not to go to bed and respectable our but no it was always enjoyable farm and getting up before daybreak in elkin the cows and getting the chores done and go about the rest of the day's business illinois farm bureau along with beat porn born milk pork and soybean association make up the livestock development group supporting the illinois livestock sector her more information checkout eleanor livestock dot o._r._g. On our f._d. Today on tuesday it is weather day eight year on the network. <hes> we are talking going to be talking to bryce andersen d._t. In ag meteorologist <hes> in just a moment meantime <hes> we know that loss will be heading over to lee roy here in just a little bit their hometown celebration and they will be looking at a very eventful couple of days there. You don't have the details plus. He'll be heading up to grow mark annual meeting that meeting. We'll be taking place in chicago and <hes> we'll have some conversations with the leadership from gromark as they celebrate the end of another successful year so we'll look forward to that broadcast that broadcast <hes> later this afternoon starting to six prophet watch followed by town and country partners will look forward to to that broadcast. We'll also again as we mentioned tomorrow. We'll be connecting with martin martin barberie <hes> our risk management agency lead in the nation's capital stick around more to come. You're gonna go out there and being all star caregiver. It's up to you. Uh so what are you gonna. Do you gonna go grocery. 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Show <hes> was told that the showgrounds are closed because of a lightning strike very close to the decatur area korea and so that's <hes> kind of an example of a real stormy pattern <hes> that we've got <hes> going over all the way from the mississippi happy just heading east and southeast and we're looking at rainfall amounts are going to be anywhere from one to three inches <hes> so this is going to be possibly damaging chang i mean as far as you know the associated storm wins and so forth but on the other hand we know that crops are delayed so any moisture that they get breath is going to be useful and i think it is going to be <hes> generally beneficial around of rainfall the we get with these storms so it certainly is pretty timely from that standpoint. Absolutely nobody's going to turn down august rain at all so how does things or how do they yeah forecast look as we head into that or farm progress show for next week. Next week is going to be a little bit on the showery side tuesday and wednesday and <hes> we could see rainfall totals have around a half an inch during a tuesday and wednesday of next week. <hes> the next three days in central illinois are going to be <hes> certainly <hes> pretty rainy and we could see rainfall totals him that <hes> one to two inch category. We're going for about an inch and a half right around <hes> decatur in macon county. <hes> next week is going to be lighter but <hes> there'll be some wet ground. Obviously by the time this <hes> batches storms ormes is all done by thursday thursday afternoon so i guess we're thankful that it's a permanent site now indicator because that could be a muddy ninety situation if not it really could and <hes> and it it is not going to be the degree of intensity that we saw when the show was in boone iowa last year because there were just some <hes> rip roaring storms that moved in and actually closed the show <hes> on tuesday last year <hes> that's not going to be the case <hes> this year in illinois but like i say it's going to be on the cloudy audie and you know kind of light to moderate rain side so it <hes> is going to be <hes> you know <hes> an event where you know folks will need to kind of keep their. They're you know they're they're not so <hes> not so good clothes on. You know that sort of thing but it still is not going to be an impossible event by any means. I think it's going to be a pretty good time of it. Overall now. Let's go onto the next topic of how late will be and you know how. How far will we yeah boy or will we avoid an early frost. What's your what's your longer term. September forecasts. We'll our call is <hes> a little bit different possibly quite a bit different anthony. The noah forecast was posted last week because <hes> from the from the lowest side of things <hes> the month of september looks looks to be below normal temperatures over the northern plains part of the northern midwest and then for the remainder of the mid west <hes> outside into eastern ohio. What are you wearing right now. That's right so i'm just gonna teach you how to dress yourself. Underwear always comes first name tag at the back then panshir the first button in the right hole. You have to start all over socks going one first then shoes right on right left on left which just take the ends cross them over switch loops. The rabbit goes down the hole. Pull tight enough money here. 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You're listening to the hot land use feed radio network at live dot hot land-use fee dot com. This stream is supported reported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's hoping you service daily newscasts for tuesday august twentieth twenty nineteen. I'm mike clifford. A move for commonsense gun laws heads to the states plus will trump judges decided a decade of civil rights topping. Our news fired cop daniel pantaleo lael will sue the police commissioner james o'neill and the n._y._p._d. And new york to win back his job that from the new york post his lawyer said monday pantaleo pantaleo filed the suit under the state civil practice law and rules and why p._d. Commissioner o.'neil fire pantaleo over the death of eric garner in a twenty only fourteen incident on staten island that fueled the black lives matter movement that one is cell phone video showed the victim repeatedly shouting. I can't breathe talk of federal gun control of displays you continue in the weeks following the mass shootings in el paso and dayton that claimed thirty one lives some tennessee lawmakers acres of pushing for what they call commonsense gun laws democratic representative and caucus chair michael steward of nashville says there are clear steps. The governor can take your a mistake governor. Lee should have us implement universal background checks like colorado and many other states have done. That's step one early. This is year republican. Senator steve dickerson introduced state senate bill eleven seventy eight a so called red flag bill that would allow law enforcement to petition a court part to temporarily remove a person's access to firearms if believed to be a danger to themselves or others lee has said it's still too early to consider such measures nadia ramlan reporting facing mounting public pressure and protest outside his louisville home senate majority leader mitch mcconnell has recently announced announced senate could possibly consider gun control legislation will lawmakers return in the fall meantime judicial watchdog group says mcconnell's created assembly assembly line for approving conservative judges who will determine these civil rights of americans for decades to come before recessing last month. The republican controlled old senate confirmed thirteen new judges to lifetime appointments in a two day period daniel goldberg with the alliance for justice says young white mostly male judges will rule in the rights for workers workers women the l._g._b._t._q. Community and consumer protections for the next three to five decades people who used the court pool youth their position as lifetime the judges to jam a radical agenda that they could not achieve otherwise onto the country since president donald trump took office. He said one hundred forty lisa federal judges confirmed by the senate compared with twenty during president barack obama's last two years in office. I'm russ brown earlier. This year. You may recall mcconnell at a vote to change the rules rules of debate for confirming district judges from thirty hours to two hours that followed his decision to block merrick. Garland obama's pick to the supreme court for almost in a year. This is p. n._s. More than a year after year supreme court ruling some thought would deal a big blow to unions eric. Take it off reports in the organization show no signs of slowing down at least in washington state the two thousand eighteen decision on janice versus apps me had the potential to cut off one revenue stream to to public unions allowing employees to shirk fair share fees even as the unions continued to negotiate for them. The olympia based group freedom foundation thought this would be an an opportunity to get union members to opt out of paying these fees. Peter stars ski with the northwest accountability project says that isn't how things played out reality effort has been then a failure as we've seen union membership in washington increase and all along the west coast including in washington union continue to win important victories victories like increases in the minimum wage hate sickly for all fair scheduling union membership in the evergreen state actually grew in two thousand eighteen part part of a trend that began in two thousand fourteen representation is now close to twenty percent of the workforce making washington the third most unionized state in the country according to the u._s. bureau of labor statistics the freedom foundation did not respond to a request for comment on this story membership in the washington federation of state employees grew from forty four thousand before the janice janice ruling to forty five thousand after that ruling and the life expectancy for people wisconsin has declined for a second straight year. That's according to new report into nonpartisan. Wisconsin policy forum compiled data from the state department of health services and the centers for disease control and prevention showing increased deaths from alcohol abuse and opioids. The group's policy researcher marked summer hauser says he also notice a troubling mortality trend among the states black residents and what we found is that overall mortality among black wisconsin. I did increase by about twenty four percent within that time period from nineteen ninety nine to two thousand seventeen and that was something in the face of a national trend mortality rates for black americans were down by six percent during that same time period summer hauser says he's unsure of the exact cause of of the trend but notes the state's opioid death rate for black people in twenty seventeen was nearly double the national average in milwaukee county the opioid death three for all races was more than twice the statewide rate between twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen. I'm trombones de mandatory display. The of the model in god we trust is going to greet south dakota students when they return to public schools up thursday annie. Laurie gaylor is with the freedom from religion foundation. She believes chiefs. It's improper. We think this is very inappropriate motto because we have a godless constitution. We are not a theocracy. Nobody has to believe in god. 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Once your loan has been paid back your assets are returned to you visit salt lending dot com slash tatyana to sign up for an account and start exploring your options today salt lending dot com slash tatyana. Hello everybody and welcome to the tathiana show today. I'm joined with joshua out in berlin. Hey josh how's it going. Hey tatyana. It's <hes> going wonderfully yeah. Thank you and we're gonna be talking with michelle ray who i've worked with that crypto media but before i bring her on i wanted to talk to you. Josh washed because something very exciting happened the past few days in your life. Would you like to tell our audience. Oh yes i i finally after twenty years. I'm married to go. I love and we went up to denmark and hitched hitched up and then i took the ticket of marriage and we took a selfie and we hashed that into the bitcoin blockchain so that we hopefully in the future don't have to pay for lawyers and notaries and stuff like that to prove anything we can say look there. It is time stamped and he is the original hasn't changed. How did you do that. Can anybody anybody do it. Anyone can do it used to proof of existence dot com and basically yeah uploaded a hash then i then if you go to a shot to fifty six hash website. That'll you know there's plenty of them. You can upload the pictures to check the same hash gets generated an and it will and what what is the hashes for another subject i guess but it's basically a fingerprint of of data so even even if one little pixel changes in that image you get a totally different hash out of the out of magic box and and that means means that no one has ever filled with a pitcher or even received it because the pixels are exactly the same wow. That's pretty wild. What are you gonna come onto proof of love and talk about getting married. You guys should do that. I think that'd be fun. Yeah sure yeah absolutely okay so what's what's going on over at paul tomorrow any action all lots of stuff. We're developing tour two point. Still we're about to launch volt token which is kind of a club club membership kindle app b._n._b. Gives you discounts on trading and stuff like that so this is very exciting so anyone that joins up to volterra now would be dropping ping those down onto them so definitely go and take that opportunity volt road. Let's be a u. L. t. are the common stock trading between bitcoin quantum physical gold bullion. That sounds good all right well. <hes> i don't know why don't we talk to michelle michelle. How's it going nice to have you on the show. I we now. This is taken a really long time. I didn't know why we didn't do this before. That's a very good question. We've actually known each other for a very long time. Have you ever met josh by the way or no now. I haven't lost in the corridors yeah now. I don't know i don't know so. I used to go to conferences all the time and lately i've been so busy and that i'd like i barely get to go to any of this stuff anymore and live vicariously through everybody gets to travel off pulled back conferences as well last year and the before was insane but i i've just really knuckled down focusing on development. Now we got a lot of people are getting about that. <hes> the old show the killer app for blockchain conferences great. I think it's actually kind of funny because and <unk> tatyana and i were talking about the things we wanted to discuss today and i'm kind of a marketer by trade and conferences for me were always always that double edged sword like it was such a great way to meet people who were in the same space and super passionate but you were really paying for a great vacation addition and to hang out in an echo chamber so i always had that i was always really kind of ambivalent like our conferences worth doing. It's a really interesting interesting question and the echo chamber thing is very true yeah but i also think that you can build a lot of different relationships by going to conferences. Is i feel like that's been very good for me but i'm also a little bit more social than the average person and i think that really brings us to what we're going to talk about michelle. If you could give our audience mansell background about what you've been doing in this space in also your background in the political world and then maybe we could talk about how the crypto marketing marketing space has changed and what you're seeing and maybe some tips for different companies that are listening c._e._o.'s entrepreneurs that are interested to get a little bit of of insight so yeah. I'd love it if you could tell us a little bit about your background yeah sure so. I've actually kind of been aware of crypto. Since late. Twenty twelve was my father who introduced me to bitcoin and immediately fell in love with it but it didn't really get the opportunity to do anything in this phase days until two thousand fourteen hanging out on twitter doing what i do and i got a private message from paul play. I know he's a a a regular guest on this show with edge wallet airbeds at the time he said hey would you be interested in doing some social media work for a crypto wallet and at the time the only experience i had with crypto wallets was actually either the bitcoin wallet and i thought my gosh there's no way i'm gonna take social media media and be able to explain to people and get them excited about downloading staying in singing a blockchain that takes forty hours but he you know he sent me the s._d._k. For air bits and i was instantly in love with the ease of use and so i agreed to see what i could do on social media for them so that is kind of how i got into marketing specifically social media prior to that i had been that really crazy very very politically active libertarian who was talking about this digital currency and i had a really really decent political following following <hes> across the political spectrum because i'm an equal opportunity complainer about the two party system and you know very few people paid any attention at all to my my tweets about bitcoin early on and you know early on i'm is tweeting bitcoin fifty dollars and i'm like you guys really need to get in on those. It's gonna change the world and of course when it hit two hundred a few people were like so tell me more about bitcoin <hes> which was ah you know that was kind of the pedal thing for me. It wasn't so much the the price of bitcoin rising. I'm a true believer not not technically an investor but it was the realization that there was just as wide empty desert of information out there for the average person when when it came to to bitcoin and then later digital currencies yeah and i feel like people are still saying oh it's too expensive now so so what are you involved involved with currently yes so i work now fulltime with a company called permission. We are in the space of kind of fixing the way personal. The data is used online. It's a it's a big deal. I mean listeners of your show. Were familiar with a lot of other projects like bat bat for instance <hes> bisconti taken taken in brave. There's a whole ecosystem in this kind of crypto marketing where people have begun to realize that their personal donald data thanks to facebook and cambridge analytica is not only worth a fortune marketing for personal data is about a twenty one billion billion dollar a year trade when it comes to advertising but also when it comes to things like a politics obviously medical science and behavioral of your old and data researched psychological data research i mean data is literally to you know something's become cliche. It's the new oil and it is a commodity. That should be as far as permission i._o. Is concerned in your control as much as possible and making you the money and not some third party data broker so we are person is worth. Oh priceless. People are priceless rudolph. It is it's true i mean i'm also a huge believer in the potential of people i see see it every day on on social media people start with an idea and turn it into this. You know amazing revolutionary thing i could. I couldn't be involved a bitcoin not say a people and ideas are priceless but when it comes to data mining and social media i think and purchasing power and <hes> involvement solvent in the data economy. I think it's almost impossible to say what you know. The personal data you're sharing with all of these these online mediums is worth there are a lot of estimates out there and they range from like two dollars and seventy six cents to forty six dollars a year per person <hes> <hes> i would argue that as somebody who's been on several sides of marketing that the right contact for a very very low cost like a very targeted advertisement in any you know retail politics is almost priceless you know if i want to change your vote knowing everything i can and building a profile about lake data analytical data cambridge analytica did can change the world old and if i'm a company on trying to decide where to spend my money for the best return on my investment being able to build a complete buyers ears profile on you and get the right ad to you at the right time cuts my costs dramatically and increases my my revenue. <hes> you know even more so the so. I think it's impossible to say specifically what a person is worth especially in terms of retail. 'cause it's really more about not wasting your time with marketing afric stick. Don't convert the documentary called the great hack on to the and i i don't know i guess there's no spoilers here. Cambridge took a whole bunch of records and and really profiled the entire higher world. I guess but mainly the u._s. and the u._k. And and marketed but what i found was i felt kind of manipulated by the by a documentary that was saying that these firms of manipulating people because because they had their own slot on things and this this this woman not forgotten her name <hes> who's <hes> one of the main characters in the documentary was a she she started at the start saying oh <hes> with this phone call with her mother and her mother was saying off anita pay a thousand dollars but a car right now sort of having his personal conversation cycle should i helped pay for that and then and then just to the rest of the documentary and i thought why did they leave that in personal conversation towards the end. They really wanted to say well she. You did all this with cambridge and with brexit because she needed the money right now. I actually had the same feeling watching yeah i got about. Maybe maybe eight ten minutes into it and i thought you know i really got to set my my personal feelings biases. This is aside if i'm going to get through this because they're attempting to take this woman who was an executive in this global company and try to maker this make you feel this incredible sympathy for her and this you know admiration for her bravery for coming out but i have a pretty good idea what she made as an executive not just with cambridge analytica but she also worked on cruises campaigns she worked on obama's campaign prior to that and as somebody who has been involved in that political campaign world for more than a decade i could idea what she was making so yeah i had i had had to say feeling like wow if they could just make a documentary that didn't include all of this emotional manipulation that would be great eight yeah yeah that was fascinating and i thought you know really what did cambridge adam. Lick do so wrong because i wanted to set aside my biases here and of course people are saying well. They manipulated people but it's not like that's new. I've had manipulation on television since forever. Smear campaigns and all this stuff is all manipulation. It was just that it was more of a dragnet. It was like doc. Everyone's concede this sort of campaign. Worst cambridge really allowed them to find people that were still sitting on the fence and target a very specific marketing campaign at them. I feel like basically nothing changed except what happened with cambridge was it became a lot more efficient. So that's interesting. I being in marketing proably. This is like the worst thing i could possibly say but in the purest sense marketing is exactly manipulation and you know they're they're practically synonymous and objectively what cambridge analytica did was take all of this data that was available to them and build this incredibly efficient model to accomplish a very specific task. <hes> you know tactically it was obviously brilliant and an incredibly efficient use of the resources they had at hand <hes>. I think you know the outrage age is isn't. I mean the outrage a lot. No one's going to admit they were manipulated. No-one graded. It's just against human nature to say i'm easily manipulated and and i was manipulated by ads on facebook or whatever but the reality is cambridge analytica if you if if everyone says they can't be manipulated then what cambridge olympic did wasn't so bad what facebook did however is kind of where we get into the gray area. <hes> in even in marketing professionals is as to what's acceptable the people you're targeting. I like to focus on on retail and a it's an information more so than politics because politics is a cesspool <hes> on every side of every aisle but when it comes comes to to retail and you're you're competing for is and attention in a world that has been conditioned by social media in particular and by the online experience experience to ignore ads and or blocked them. I mean eighty. Five percent of millennials have installed an adblocker or browser that doesn't that doesn't allow them to see see any advertising so if you're fighting for all of this attention how how do you get an edge. How do you get the eyeballs and facebook put itself in a position to be that data broker without <hes> really being above board what they were doing you. You have to be very naive or willfully ignorant to assume that facebook wasn't collecting all of of this information you you put online and doing something with it and buried very deep within their terms of service and their privacy policy was it was an explanation of exactly what they were going to do with it but what they did with cambridge analytica wasn't even in terms of service and of course cambridge analytica had i've been a according to the documentary and everything i read contacted by facebook told that the data they received they weren't allowed to use for for other campaigns pains and they said they had deleted a new turns out. They hadn't <hes> but i don't think you know i personally can't lay the blame. Just at in cambridge analytica speed or at at mark zuckerberg's feet consumers themselves are are aware they know what they're putting out there on the internet and they know that you know somebody is doing something where that you can't go. You can't go a week without hearing about a data league or a hack and now sim- swaps bee. Sim swabs are happening because essential engineering. I just had a swap. That was fun. Actually have bailey rights will come up and talk to us us about it. She's made a lot of different people just on that specific problem alone but when you talk about data <unk> security i think people are just naturally very averse to it even if they know that that threat is out there. I don't know i find it very overwhelming process in. I'm sure that rich person certainly does as well but so. What are you guys doing in order to offer that monetization back to the user i mean is it something significant or something that's used. Let's say like a third world country two dollars a year. I mean obviously it's on back right but it would still be something significant. Words your basically nothing. What what are you guys working on. Well so permission i o <hes> an emmy being in this space in the frustration of not being being able to see this this mass adoption. I dreamed of permission. I always realize that you have to kind of close. The ecosystem you have to be able to get crypto store store. Crypto spend crypto all in one platform and it needs to be something you do every day you know the frustration. I think a lot of us in this space is there are so many amazing projects and incredible ideas and consumer facing ones as well as about be to be <hes> but but none of them have kind of lit a fire under people in general so permission i o is kind of offering a platform where you can not you don't have to change your behavior. You do something that you do every day in our case. It's you are searching for products that you would buy just as you would on amazon is on or walmart or alibaba <hes> you know and you are able to purchase those right there from the platform you can earn a crypto crypto arctic a._s. k. as an ask permission right there and then you can also <hes> eventually in by eventually i let me say i am beholden by by development promises. I'm not allowed to make publicly. You'll be able to use your k. On our platform to redeem you know discount codes or to purchase products directly with partners that agree to be a quote unquote permission marketer and you know the thing about us. Is we realize your data is out there. You're not going to get your data back. You're not gonna get your your history. Your fingerprint removed from the internet but but since it's out there anyway you might as well be making money and profiting off of it yourself and so you're allowed to go in and build a profile with his much or as little information as you want and you are allowed to determine which marketers by your interests or your location or our specific brands that you're interested in you want to see advertisements or offers at the same time you can use our platform without not ever creating an account and earning a s k you can you can just go search for things purchase them with the knowledge that we're not tracking checking anything. We're not tracking your buying habits if you don't create an account with us we're not tracking what you do. We don't track where you came from where you go what you buy your i._p. Anything day so the idea is that you know. People people aren't going to change their behavior. They're going to do what they do on the internet which it's convenient to buy. It's convenient to sell its can be need to chat so let's at least give them the opportunity to do that in an environment that prophets them and keeps them safe like you said making yourself safe on the internet is a daunting process if you don't do it from the very beginning if you're not careful going but there's just no going back so giving them a platform to say okay. I'm out there at least let me control and profit off of this is something we think is lacking in this space like you know just something thing. That doesn't require you to change your behavior at all. It's really fascinating. There's a there's a few really use a good use cases of so-called blockchain technology <hes> where people take control of the data and i guess this is this is one of them is to say rather than just giving my daughter. I'm selling outta right right and and you know the interesting thing. I've been talking about the consumer benefits to this. There are huge implications for brands and marketing agencies and <hes> you know even nonprofits and things like that if you are spending spending your time and energy and advertising budget reaching out to people who are expecting to hear from you. They very specifically side yes. I'm willing to hear from you you. I'm interested in what you have to say or by this data profile. I filled out you know. I'm looking to buy a new car or to refine my house or to travel abroad broad. You're far more likely to get that person as a customer actually buying your product so you are targeting people who are expecting thing to be targeted and i i hate to use the retargeted but that is the nomenclature in the marketing world. You are not spending any of your <unk> advertising money on ad click fraud. There was a great article just yesterday or the day before advice about americans running. Click farms and getting paid to do you it. You know to waste advertising funds and these guys are saying. I'd rather do that than deliver food or drive people around in my car all day to make money so advertising sizing fraud is a billion dollar waste in the marketing industry the blockchain keeping track of every one of those payments and the requirement read that you complete a c._p._a. Called action or a task before you get paid means that you're not spending money on ad fraud that puts companies like <hes> moat and double verify that are supposed to make sure that your ad spend is not being wasted completely out of business and in my mind the blockchain being a ledger jour- technology there is no more obvious applications being able to make sure your money is going where it's supposed to go and not being wasted so so for us the blockchain functionality and even the crypto aspect are kind of secondary to the natural behavior of consumers and advertisers but it provides a one one hundred percent immutable way of making sure advertisers monies are going to real users and not fraud. I mean that's huge for the advertising industry as well f- click fraud been a big thing for a very very long time i remember in the late ninety s they used to be some application that would basically wiggle your mouse around the screen and just sort of click on things i remember the crypto faucets where you could go watch videos very early very early on and they gave you a couple videos of data watching you earned as long as you were watching and it wasn't not long after i heard about those when i heard about a plugin that would make it appear that you were watching so that you got paid so this. I'm excited did about what we're doing. What you see is the is the change within the crypto community in terms of ads. What do you think was effective before. And what do you think is effective now to reaching audience critter community specifically i think that's you know that's been the frustration is do people need this technological understanding understanding of how crypto or blockchain works in order to use a product or get involved <hes> or do they need to be made to feel part part of a community and get excited about this stuff and i think you know i've talked to you about this a lot since we both kind of work in this space marketing is i. I think it's really hard to find a balance early on a crypto. Marketing on social media was all about information trying to give people this basic understanding of how blockchain it works and why crypto is so great regardless of its application a lot of info graphics and terms that people had never heard and then over the last maybe three or four years we moved into this me myspace where you know making fun of the fad and making fun of of of financial decisions and talking about the price fluctuations and kind of making fun of our the community itself all through memes and in my opinion union there has to be some balance between those because neither one of those tactics is is super is is been super useful for ramassage option like there are accounts thurston names out here. Just you know just because i'm familiar but <hes> fast is an exchange that that you know a the crypto swap exchange and <hes> they have this really hilarious twitter account. They're all memes. They're all gifts. You know. There are a lot of find find. They run contests. Lawley is another one you know they pay bitcoin for people to shop at their partners and they run as really fun laid-back laid-back account on twitter and social media <hes> and that's great. I think that gets a lot of people interested in hearing what they have to say day but it doesn't make evangelists in my opinion and the thing about the crypto community is developers. God bless them and thank them for changing the world. They're a terrible marketers and there are so few marketers in this space that know how to understand the technology and translated into layman's terms <hes> and i and make it fun and exciting and memorable and interesting. I think what i've seen is kind of this. We still haven't found that balance of getting people convinced through hard information that they can take out and share with their friends because word of mouth is still the best advertising on the planet and we also haven't found a way to keep them entertained enough to get past the daunting technological changes that that crypto just i flat out is crooked not complicated. It's just you and as species. Humans don't like new much yeah. I really you just want to go back to that. Mean idea and really cryptocurrency is kind of the first currency built by means it really is even from its inception exception. It's been a kind of funny the funny side of cryptos where the marketing was just constantly these these images so these gifts and and then when i watched that cambridge analytic talk oh sorry go back to that again but a lot of what they were doing is pumping helping out means directing them at people so this whole me magic. I guess where people because i've seen it in the past where someone a podcast like. Let's say tone vases very popular podcast. We'll get maybe two thousand views on video. I've seen a comedy eddie. <hes> a comedy based crypto show <hes> where it's already does one every so often get massive amounts of us on one single show because it's super funny and you i want to share it and this is what maims dude people just obsessively sharing of a lot more. There's a lot more reality juice behind a good structured name. Yeah no absolutely it in the marketing world. Morality is great but the thing about veracity is that it's a vanity metric just just like the number of followers somebody has on youtube or twitter the the number of followers the number of shares the number of lakes those make you feel good and they make you look really successful astle but if everybody's clicking share and ha ha ha on your meam and they never go download your app then your veracity doesn't it. Is it converting. It isn't actually convincing anybody so you know what i mean about somehow striking this balance of getting people on board and means do an amazing job got of getting people to say this person is funny or they're worth paying attention to you. They're witty. I kind of lean more towards wit than i do that a that slapstick stick comedy meme thing not really big into that. That's probably a function of my age <hes> but to me to get all of these things you've got to. You've got to build this marketing plan that includes all of this. You've got to get people interested in following you because you're you're witty or whatever and then you've got to while you have their attention. Give them something that is useful to go do that. They can carry beyond clicking butner share button on twitter so if i've got this product that is amazing. Take bitcoin itself for example <hes> memes. Get me excited because there's jokes about you know the rollercoaster with the price going up and down and that's fun to watch and that's really great but if i want somebody to go download my wallet i need to do more than get them. Clicking scherer like on my memes talking to me about oh my gosh look at look at all of this is is this a bear market is bull market. I need them to go download my wallet and so somewhere between talking about how how funny and fun this ecosystem in this community is we've still got to get people to go download lewd used products and then talk about how great the products are not how great my twitter account is and i think honestly to your question. Tatyana we still have not been able to a strike that balance in crypto marketing where we take a project that you know we might personally be really excited about and get people i to follow us because we're interesting or fun and then take the information we're giving them and go back out to the world. Ribbons downloaded does yeah their twitter accounts also don't really go try this good check. Their product at i think lawley is is getting a little bit better. It thought i think lawley started out very very good at the stacking sites bats thing i don't know if you saw very recently they they had some controversy about doing the little trademark symbol next to the phrase stacking sites <hes> they they did a great job you creating something like stacking sats goes viral very quickly other people pick it up and then they did a very smart thing in explaining why they use stacking sides and why they really do want the rest of the community use it that builds inclusiveness it you know it makes them feel like a trustworthy account and then they you know they immediately when they needed to were able to switch from that having fun online to being very serious about why this is important and why it's so huge that the community is open and sharing this kind of stuff so you know not to say the lollies the perfect account again. This is probably a function of my age. I i lean more towards give me something useful. I think they're doing a better than average job. Striking that balance introducing choosing it was funny because i've been saying stacking sats us years right. I've seen obviously yes. I usually with with oakland trading cycle. Why why do you trade. I always probably stuffing day to seek to stack the sats. That's not the euro's see if you'd only made it go viral and again to your point you know they just managed aged to take a really smart idea that may be was or wasn't original and turn it into this great marketing slash manipulation campaign <hes> <hes> and but that like i said that doesn't make people go sign up for lawley start start turning on that little <hes> browser plug in every time they shop and <hes> you know to browser plug ins to things like that to <hes> edge wallets credit and i'm sure there are a lot of other wallet projects projects that have realized this. You can't make people change their behavior. Crypto community hasn't figured out yet hasn't gotten that killer application shen marketed well enough to wear your fitting into people's lives online without asking really change so permission that was like that was kind of the really big marketing idea for us is we can builders amazing product that protect your data and lecturer crypto limit. She spent crypto but if you have to go sign up for an account and you have to download a wallet and download twenty four seeds and remember your backup password and install to f._a. Using a u._b. Key and enter three different passwords before you can make a purchase or nobody is going to use this product and so the idea and and not just in development design in u. x. But also in marketing is to convince people that yes your project is based on this technology that you're not very familiar millier with but ninety percent of you go turn the key in your car and drive it without knowing how your car works either and so we really are trying to downplay the technology behind what we're building and up sell the benefits of using our platform over something like say facebook facebook their facebook shops or google shopping because we don't collect your data facebook not getting paid. You're getting paid and this fits into the experience is very familiar. It fits into your life. It's something you do every day. We're not asking you to abandon facebook or abandon in google or abandoned ebay or anything like that. Just come to permission to check it out. It's a new store. It's a new platform. It's a new search. Whatever try it if you like it. You can earn a s k. You can earn ask why your year so i think like i said to marketing for me is is a psychological what's wrong. Pull it apart if we could fix it thing in the crypt has community has fixed it yet well. I think these insights are are pretty useful useful. I think even if we haven't quite come up with the magical solution. Is there an kelsey guys. Wanna talk about before we wrap. I mean the i guess the last thing is that <hes> really when it comes to marketing. I think still at the end of after all of this content is still okay absolutely absolutely so what does i think the crypto community itself has to figure out what content is is great you mentioned gender youtube channels shows and things like that <hes> i watch ninety nine bitcoins right. I'm not a developer. I mean let's just let's just say. I know oh nothing about code. I have this great understanding of what blockchain is and how it works but if i want to know about bitcoin i don't want to talk talk about proof of work proof stake of thirty or proof of existence. I want to talk about i mean i just want some interesting. Autocell tells me what it's about it. Tells me what it's about and that and how i can use it and how it applies to me. Personally i think ninety nine bitcoins does is really great once once a week this week in bitcoin <hes> to me that is prime content for my you know my consumption and if we could somehow somehow find a way to take dot kind of content that informational content and bite sized chunks and make it a little more entertaining. We might have that magic sauce us awesome guys well. Thanks michelle for joining us if people want to join you. Where do they find you. Online of you can find me on twitter twitter. I'm ragnar is made <hes> talking mostly about crypto. 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Murphy murphy teach economics by uncovering dissecting the arrows of krugman nobel prize winner newspaper columnist and destroy of nations. It's time for contra. Krugman kirkman a-contra proven listeners. If you like austrian economics and you want to get more indepth analysis and discussion i'd play to my podcast the bob murphy show. It's not a substitute for contract. It's in addition to you. Get more not an alternative go to bob murphy v show dot com everybody tom and bob here with another episode of contra krugman. This is a weird one. Let's just be perfectly blunt here the so weird one bob. You picked a weird one this week. July fifteenth twenty nineteen billionaires shouldn't live forever ever garcs should grow old like the rest of us. <hes> gonna go ahead and summarize this <hes>. Let me be clear though just to avoid confusion <hes>. I don't think this is available through krugman's regular. Her archives check his op ed section new york times. This doesn't show up as far as i'm aware somebody on twitter tip me off on this one time. Okay okay all right well. Of course we'll link to it. Contra krugman dot com slash one ninety eight people would like to read it for some reason. Let me start by reading the editor's note. This is part of a series op eds from the future in which science fiction authors futurists philosophers and scientists right op-eds that they imagine we might read ten twenty or even one hundred years from now the challenges they predict are imaginary for now but they're arguments illuminate the urgent questions of today and prepare us for tomorrow. The opinion piece below is a work of fiction all right folks so i'm going to summarize for you this work of fiction and again. I think i'm taking too long on these summaries. Let me just give you the gist of it again. This is obviously supposed to be a fictional column so what he's saying is that in his day and age now which would be half a century into the future. He's saying that <hes> what's been happening. Is that as we've been saying for over half a century the united states has been becoming an oligarchy and there's a hugely disproportionate share of income wealth and power held by a small number of people then we had the work of thomas pikkety who elaborated on this problem and expanded on the analysis of it but until relatively recently although these dynasties did last a long time members of the dynasty's themselves did not because everybody has to die they grow old and they die but krugman says back in the old days and the teens namely the decade were living in right now. A lot of these oligarchs were donating donating a lot of money to life extension research. Now it'd be one thing if this life extension research for cheap and could be made widely available even there there would've been huge problems says krugman but in fact the technology is obscenely expensive and so only a few relatively rich people are able to engage in life extension so krugman concludes by saying well. There's a lot of public outrage about this and some people are saying we should have high taxes on the fortunes origins of these people. That's a good idea but jeez. I mean we we were dealing with tax evasion. Even when these people were mortal imagine how good they're going to get it hiding their assets when and they live for extra decades even generations spending their time billing their tax shelters nope life extension for a privileged few is socially destructive and the time has come to ban it. We gotta take these people off their treatments that they start aging like everyone else and that's more or less your column. It is a bizarre column. Perhaps perhaps revealing on some levels but bob. I think that's all i care to summarize of of this. I think people got the gist and now we could find out why in heaven's name you you picked. I'm only kidding the skull what i thought it was great. I thought it was very revealing <hes> yeah this is just something that a a bunch of people on twitter were expecting to cover this and who are we to to disappoint the fans. We believe in consumer sovereignty here <hes> but yeah i i did like it. In so far or is it just revealed that yes i can make a good prediction about the future and that's that krugman has no problem restricting people's freedoms even if it means killing them earlier here in the name of equality and without even giving any kind of comparable <hes> benefit from it. It's merely the fact of no we don't want some people have more than others period and that's sufficient justification and krugman's book for restricting the enjoyments and even if it means the life of some of the lucky he beneficiaries of the new technology or what have you so. I really thought this just crystallizes the egalitarian impulse among some of today's progressives beautifully <hes> <hes> you know there. There's no there really isn't crew doesn't even bother trying to come up with some sort of justification about how this is going to help other people except to say it's not fair why should and rich people get to live longer than poor people and of story yeah that was what we got and so we're just going to ban it and that's the end of and i wonder obviously how can we know what the pricing of technology that extend your life significantly is going to be but if it's like absolutely everything we've ever seen before it starts off of being something that is enjoyed only by the rich and then it finds a mass market now. That's not an absolute. Law doesn't have to work that way but if krugman krugman had responded this way to all kinds of technological innovations they would never have taken off while because he would a ban them but even if he had just put restrictions on them something he would've slowed their introduction to the rest of society so it's just astonishing that you wouldn't notice a pattern here. Whether it's you know big screen t._v.'s or anything else is that that we use on a regular basis so much of it began. I mean remember people who had car phones were viewed as like demi gods and it was clunky thing that was actually literally. We stuck to your car and it had a cord on it. You'd pick it up today. You'd be embarrassed to use that thing but yet not that long ago. We thought wow that must be really important person awesome now you a totally unimportant piece of nothingness sorry to burst your bubble everybody. I didn't mean to be that much of a downer but the point is you web device that is world changing. I mean it is one of the most amazing innovations in the history of the world and compared to what even the wealthy had not that long ago i it's it's even more stunning yeah exactly the the critical line here from krugman in this largely puff piece. Let's call it is he says the fact is that we can have a decent society unless all citizens have some basic things in common and there's a dash and unless we develop a much cheaper life extension technology allergy mortality will have to be one of those things right so he's saying the fact the people die. That's got to be one of the things that we all have in common and until life extension technology is is cheaper such the masses can afford it. We need to keep it illegal. So you're right time it it is i mean if a non economists wrote that he he or she would still be ashamed ashamed or should be ashamed of such as silly statement right so again just to make sure you're getting this krugman's arguing here that yeah yeah we. I really don't want to have this. Is this new technology unless we can make it cheaper and so <hes> why don't we go ahead and ban it and not let rich people use this technology and then we'll wait and if there ever comes a day what is cheaper than okay. We can let everybody used but until that day. It's illegal like you said tom. I mean that would probably rule out just about every medical advance except maybe penicillin yeah i mean i mean you know all now. No heart transplant until they're available for everybody then we'll wait. Don't don't worry folks. We're not like keeping this technology away from the masses but we'll wait. Wait till it's affordable and in the meantime nobody can do it period. I mean that's just amazing to me that he could write to get folks to oh. No he's just trying to be provocative and enthused provoking and due to the right and these are horrible thoughts. He's having right exactly and it's provocative because it's so evil and i you know normally we we'd like to be be playful at all cake rubric this is that's partly why i wanna do is because again. The mask comes off. There is no redeeming feature about this whatsoever yeah yeah. It's not that he's saying oh. There's a stockpile of these pills and the billionaire you know peter thiel or whoever's using too much of it. Why don't we take away twenty years from peter tails life and distributors the masses so that they get an extra thirty years cumulatively. You know it'd be one thing if you wanted to redistribute the technology or something thing to redistribute years. That's not what he's saying though he's just saying flat out. No these people can't have it because it's not fair. He's not making any argument in fact to the extent that he is. He's he's obviously hurting the ability of poor people to get access to this technology because they're not gonna be any innovation in it if research is banned in this technique yeah and i mean i i. I agree with you that i can. I know there are people out there. Who will say oh he's just doing such and such but the problem is what he's saying flows so naturally from what he says in all seriousness seriousness that it's it's actually difficult to know the extent to which he really believes. This is the correct position to take so. I'm going to take him at his word. I mean whoa how could you possibly after years of reading krugman think that this approach would be just beyond him an impossible and there's no way he would actually call for a ban on technology technology like this. How how could you think that now he does. I mean do you wanna talk some economics in here because you know he obviously there's some stuff about wealth concentration and pikkety and you've done on some work on that. Do you feel like doing that. Yeah sure we might as well it'll be before i forget the why don't we at least mention the obvious here so the the thing this reminds me of crewmen urban pontificating about the future that i'm sure some people will be astonished. <hes> about if we don't mention is when krugman's spouted off in the late ninety s about what the internet was gonna be be light and so here i'm sure people have seen the mean floating around that and i was glad to see slopes developed a response to this and so the slopes articles did paul krugman say the internet's effect on the world economy would be quote no greater than the fax machines and the conclusion was yes it did so they critical quote in question is crewmen in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight said by two thousand five or so it will become clear that the internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machines so as you can imagine that was demonstrably. False and people are making fun of crewmen for doing that and again there are the context was krugman was being asked to write something pontiff hunting on the future and even here what's funny is his excuses for this. He can't just say okay. I got it wrong. He makes like for example. The slopes slopes article here is quoting krugman because for one thing is and i didn't realize this when krugman i tried to defend himself like on his blog at the time when this thing started popping up again. They're making memes about it. Is he said oh. I wrote it for this new york times piece. You know that was wrong. He misspoke as the where he wrote into the slopes article article realize now it wasn't in there and they hunted down where he actually did right so he said okay yeah i guess i must have gotten mixed up and then he says <hes> talking about out the actual quote and what drove that he's i must have toss it off quickly and he says and brennan z's at the time i was mainly focused on the asian financial crisis exclamation point. Then later conflated it my memory with the new york times piece anyway. I was clearly trying to be provocative and got it wrong which happened to all of us sometimes so even there yeah i mean i don't. I don't know if it's a big deal and people get headquartered that but do you see what i'm saying time like there. He's trying to say oh yeah. The reason i said stupid thing about the internet was because really i was so focused focused on the asian financial crisis because you know i'm unimportant economists. That's what i was doing back. Then in the late nineties and also i mean we all make mistakes writes. <hes> i mean yeah. No this is this this is more like i was so focused on the asian financial crisis that i forgot to eat lunch that day like that. I could get something like that or i was. I was i spent so much time writing and working on this that i forgot to drop off my dry cleaning or something like that but i was focusing on the asian financial crisis that i completely misconceived the entire higher nature of a major innovation at southsea that doesn't seem to follow right so that's the first part and then the second part to the i got it wrong. Which which all of us do you know number one. No actually most people didn't think the internet would have the same impact as the fax machine or have written stuff in print as as much as there but beyond yeah. Everyone knows when someone's being called out for a bad mistake. The point isn't to say oh. You're the one person in human history who screwed up. We have to say about that so the point is you screwed up and you know how do you explain kind of like you know when i made it in inflation prediction that turn out to be wrong and brad delong and paul krugman expected me to become a keynesian. You know that sort of thing yeah yeah yeah. I remember i remember that happening. There's a little something about that by the way in a certain book. There's a book out there folks. I all right look. I'm not going to do the contract krugman our contract crews style pitch for it but you should pick up book contra krugman because it's just so thorough and on the contrary crews. I spent some time <music>. I'm going through just some of the startling things that bob talks about and has found that just make it so difficult to be a keynesian and and <hes> so definitely worth checking out contract krugman book dot com. The audio book is narrated by a certain. Tom woods who when he signed up to do. This did not realize how blankety blank along the book was but that's okay. I agree to do it and i did it. You get the audio book version for nothing. At tom. Woods audio dot com. You can get it through audible having subscribe arrive and then if you don't want to stay with audible quick you keep your free book and bob still gets his royalty so this is all good yeah. The distribution of our spent producing that book was definitely unequal. Yeah yes it was and i'm okay with that yeah well but but on the other hand i mean you produce the content over the years fair enron and over the weeks. I sat there air dictating it into my blankety blank. Mike von okay all right. Why don't we get back to this. Maybe <hes> pikkety that yeah yeah yeah. That was what i was because you've written a couple of things on this so here too i liked i appreciate it when pikkety and krugman now just drop the mask and they're pretty blatant about what their proposals are so in pikkety book the capital in the twenty first century when i was reading the i was astonished and there's a whole list of things that were wrong with that book including i'm just basic facts about when u. S. administrations raise the minimum wage or not and when tax rates were wade raised or not in it coincidentally seems to further further the narrative that democrats are republicans are bad even though biggies history was totally wrong besides stuff like that and him not understanding the capital <hes> the cambridge capital apple controversy all kinds of stuff. You'd think someone writing a treatise on tax rates and capital would know is the fact that pikkety is quite explicit that ah his co. Recommended confiscatory tax rates in that word confiscatory is his word. I'm not just putting that in his mouth to the slam him. The point is not to raise as revenue in so this is something that you know maybe it was always implicit there but they hit it better but growing up i always thought the justification and rationale canal for so-called progressive income tax and then even wealth taxes. Was that all well. You know we need to raise revenue in order to help poor people and and so obviously if there's a bunch of rich people out there with a lot more money let's take more of their money at least in percentage terms and you know just because we get the money from somewhere that that's kind of what i thought. The justification gatien was but pikkety makes clear that that's not the justification in his book so here's just some quotations from capitol the twenty first century that i dug up okay so here here so this is these are quotes from picky when a government tax is a certain level of income or inheritance in a rate of seventy or eighty percent. The primary goal is obviously not not to raise additional revenue and then in parentheses because these very high brackets never yield much and <hes> parentheses it is rather to put an end to such incomes enlarges states dates which lawmakers have for one reason or another come to regard is socially unacceptable and economically unproductive says from page five zero five okay so again he's saying the point of seventy or eighty percent marginal tax rates on income or inheritance is not to raise revenue to make sure that such levels of income and inheritance do not exist period <hes>. Let's see here's another quote. A rate of eighty percent applied to incomes above five hundred thousand dollars or one million dollars. A year would not bring the government much in the way of revenue because it would quickly fulfil its objective colon to drastically reduce ramona ration- at this level but without reducing the productivity take of the u._s. economy so that pay would rise at lower levels okay and then last one. I'll read here. The primary purpose of the capital tax is not to finance the social state state but to regulate capitalism. The goal is i to stop the indefinite increase in inequality of wealth and second to impose effective regulation on the financial ashland banking system in order to avoid crises. That's from page five eighteen okay so there's just three quotes showing the pekinese recommended tax rates. I mean he's he's. He's actually a good economist. In that respect. He knows full well. Yeah you have a tax rate of eighty percent on incomes above a certain threshold. The corporations are going to stop paying their top employees. Elise at such levels are going to figure out ways to compensate them because they'd be crazy for you to handle eighty percents of the government in again. It's not to raise revenue so here you have it quite explicit and we're showing that crewman's not it's not a straw man for time and me to take krugman at his word here because in today's context there are plenty any of people openly saying yeah the reason. We're going to have these high. Tax rates on rich people is just so we don't have such rich people period not because all that gives us revenue new so we can have more food stamps or what have you bob. What about the leaving aside the technical aspects of the pickety argument just a general impression people people have that there is something kind of c._d. Or underhanded or off pudding or antisocial about the so-called one percent there. You know they basically now the libertarian approach would be to say some of these got some people got to where they are through disreputable means that is not the criticism him that people like krugman are and pikkety or making and i i'm tired of getting lectured by libertarians say well. Some of these people got that way through state privilege. Duh uh-huh okay i. I know that but you're not having the same argument that krugman has having you know it's it's. It's a worthy argument that you're making and we should bring it up at some point but that it is not the one we're having right now. So it's irrelevant to the conversation because from crews point of view. He never makes any such distinction. It does not matter how these people came about their wealth the that that does not affect his analysis one bit <hes> now of course if he's talking about power they have well some of the power they have is through their political influence but that's not the only only kind of power he does mean economic power. They have wealth so they can influence events and he doesn't like that. So what would you say is the right way to think about the one percent or the point one percent <hes> given that there there may be some moral complications here <hes> but do you think there's anything to the idea that they are increasingly getting disproportionate amount of the wealth and they're skewing american society in direction. Most people don't want yes. That's a great question shen and just to underscore what you said their time in this sort of tongue in cheek you know futuristic op ed here the crews writing that we're taking the the launch pad for today's as episode. He actually says this again. He's the point of his column is to say you know he's writing from. Whatever the one hundred years from now saying we need to ban life extension technology allergy and he has this line here he says in no let's not make any exceptions for those who have made special contribution to society after all who's going to make that that determination if you want to see how badly that could go just think about some of the people who've received the presidential medal of freedom case number one krugman is predicting that even in the far flung long future. He's still going to be suffering from trump derangement syndrome because that's obviously what he's referring to here. He's not inventing some hypothetical presidential medal of freedom. That's gonna be given out in the year twenty seventy. He's making fun of trump but beyond that i mean he's explicitly saying so even if there was some guy that or let's say some woman who was cranking out cures for diseases. Let's say and we were prolonging her life with perhaps the techniques that she herself had developed so that she could keep cranking out lice saving <hes> technology or maybe she's writing bestselling children's novels and bring joy to billions of kids around the world. Now sorry we even though we have the means to keep you alive. Nope crewmen says you gotta die because because you know otherwise you know it's a slippery slope. We started latin. One person live longer. You know then what next mean this. That's why i said this is an evil column and i'm not using that term mm-hmm loosely like this. This is disgusting crews. Literally advocating ending people's lives uniformly. That's what he thinks is being fair. He said it would be unfair to let at some people live longer. Let's let's do the right thing and make sure everybody dies no medicine for anybody so back to actually by the way let let me jump in on that because think about what what happened to walter block now i will grant that walter used an unfortunate turn of phrase and he was being provocative in a way where he should've known better he should have known own what the times is gonna do <hes> by his age he should know how they operate and not be surprised when he says that the what he was saying was the problem with slavery the fundamentally fundamentally what's the nature of slavery. The nature slavery's that it's coercive institution. It's involuntary says all the other aspects of slavery merely incidental. They're merely accidental. As the mediaeval evil philosophers would have said they're not hitting the nature of the thing so he was saying look there are other aspects of slavery that might have been okay <hes> for the point of view of the human experience france but what matters is were they asked to do it or not doesn't matter how pleasant or unpleasant or whatever did they consent to it. That's the thing so he it was percent. We have to stay focused on that and they took that as he favors slavery now. You may say it was obvious what he actually favored so now. Meanwhile here's krugman basically saying yeah we should go ahead and take medicine away from people that will make them die. Nobody says a word right. Nobody says anything walter clearly early says something that any idiot had to know what he meant and that becomes a federal case <hes> so bob. I have concluded that within the pages of the new york times. There is something the of a double standard at work. Yes definitely right now. Now you may proceed. I warned the listeners about that. Let me remind me ten. Let's come back to the you know. What do we do about the one percent or the more philosophical abstract thing but while we're on this train of thought let me just mention the obvious extension here why stop this principle at hypothetical oh life extension technology that has yet to be developed and that will be applicable to billionaires why not talk about. I don't know the kind of medical care the paul. Krugman gets right now. If you do a ranking of countries by life expectancy. They're not all uniform people in the united states. The average life expectancy that i'm looking at here is in the in the seventies seventies whereas in certain african countries and other places it's below sixty and so right now. Paul krugman is sent me. He's always posting pictures. Oh him you know going around and bike tours in europe or whatever the average person in somalia doesn't get to go to europe and ride around on a bike and have access to a a whole foods and things that i'm sure crew gets so that seems kind of unfair to me. Why does paul krugman get to live twenty years longer than people in africa how dare he yeah. I saw exactly where you're going with this right at the beginning. That is a great question. I'm not sure what his answer is. Why i think he would probably say something well. You know i'm i mean. I don't know exactly what at this point yeah i don't. I don't know i mean if you really push them on his egalitarian azam <hes> and really pushed him. I don't know where it would force them to go. He would probably i guess has he would have to fall back and say something well. <hes> you know i'm not benefiting from something. That's unusual and you know we just could get sensible policies in place. Hey it's those republicans. The ones cutting foreign aid anyway and and hey donald trump's a racist. Did you know that that's probably we probably deflected but again and this is the standard like meese is used to make this point to that <hes> people clamoring for progressive taxation or who wanna raise workers wages and things like that and they focus on income inequality party. They tend to do it within their own country. Because most of the people championing you know measures to promote more gal terrorism make way more than the poor people on earth do and so if they really wanted to take a move towards income equality among human beings they could go ahead and donate eighty percent of their salary to the people in africa. Let's say and yet they don't seem to do this. No no i meant within my own country. I met people richer than me should have less. I didn't mean i should have less because there's hundreds of millions or billions of people who make less than me that that's silly of of course not i'm not the bad person it's bill gates or peter thiel. Those are the people that need to give more all right. So do you wanna get back to that. One percent point yeah sure so i think and i don't know if this i've been trying to put my finger on it and tell me if this strikes true for you i wanna say something like libertarians tend to want to make sure that the process is fair whereas progressives wanna i wanna make sure the outcome is equal the they might call it fair but they really mean equal and so many people have used these types of analysis but like if there's going to be a race libertarians begins in this analogy would be making sure that everyone's running the actual same length that it's you know like if it's a if it's a circular track to make sure that the people on the inside you know are are pushed back further and stuff because you know the circumference is different just to make sure that they're actually running the same hundred yards of its one hundred yard dash or whatever and <hes> and also also that you know there's hills and things not holes in place that kind of thing you know to make sure that there was a fair test and everyone has a level playing field in one respect whereas progressives are more focused on the outcome and then what the progressives will do though is they'll say well no when we talk about making sure the conditions are fair like if the athletes are all lining up one guy has much bigger thighs will that's not fair you know so. It's just a weird thing of where you come in to designate it. What when are we going to say. Okay you know you're competing on the certain thing and yeah you have certain advantages going into it but the the procedure itself is fair. It seems to me that's kind of where the where the dispute isn't so at the one percent and all that it's to me yeah. Libertarians are focused on. How did they get their wealth. That really is important portent because if they got it unfairly than okay the problem is the fact that they stole taxpayers money or that they relied on government coercion to restrict competition that sort of thing the the mere fact that someone has more wealth than somebody else per se does not offend a libertarian at least vis-a-vis the political philosophy of libertarianism. That's fine right and affect other things equal. You want more people to be wealthy because that can only help. I mean it's good for the wealthy people but also as you said tom i mean historically speaking eh wealthy people patronizing so called luxury items that paves the way for those things to become seeming necessities generation later so i think that's the way so you know you analyze it and in terms of society today yet. It's tricky to disentangle if you're gonna stay like take the the crop of billionaires and how many of them made their their money justly on. I'm not sure i haven't really looked at it but certainly the new billionaires people from <hes> tech companies things like that. I mean that's yeah you can make arguments about their certain <hes> interventions that maybe kept elevated them or whatnot but when they invent some brand new technology that people don't even know about in the nineteen seventies it it seems hard to say that that was due to taking from others i mean i i saw something a a few years ago where they are asking <hes> young people if you could receive a million dollars right now in exchange for pledging never to use social media or i think the internet for the rest of your life. Would you take it in a a large majority said no they would rather be have access to the internet and not get this million dollar cash payments so there is a sense hansen which everybody is a millionaire now just because of the internet and that stuff doesn't show up in the c._p._i. Because it's free and so you know this little things like that that we take for granted granted having access to facebook and see and cat videos doesn't really mean that much per se but <hes> there is a sense in which a lot of today's billionaires and certainly certainly multimillionaires yeah they're creating things value and ultimately the reason they're rich is because they're passing the market test. You know earlier on. I realize was if i'd been in cruise mode. I had said something about krugman and his ideology. We pushed him on his a gallup. Peronism be interesting to see where it would force him to go now. If we'd been in cruise who's mode. I would have said you know where he won't be forced to go and then i would have been a pitch for the contra cruise but thank goodness you folks. You don't have to endure that for quite some time. Don't do that for quite some time but we are going to tell you about. Are we are in the process of nailing it down for what looks like october of twenty twenty. That's a ways off but start start thinking about it. Save the date. Get ready to think about your vacation time. We'll give you the exact dates as soon as we have him but we won't go into crazy promotion mode for a little while l. which ninety nine percent of you think is funny good. You are natural constituency the one percent who don't now that's the antisocial one percent percent bob that right there. They don't laugh at jokes. Yeah it's <hes> and there is an uneven distribution joe quality too though so there's that between the the hosts. Is that what you're saying that between the host yeah okay well. We'll leave the the <hes>. The listeners decide where how that all shakes out jobs numbers all right. I think we're going to wrap it up for today. Bob are we yeah. I think so i mean maybe just dimension <hes> remember that was it a short story time that harrison bergeron or berge <unk> pronounce kurt vonnegut story with the handicapper general you know i'm not wow okay all right well in any event. It's there's also an unequal distribution in in literacy. Yes among the host so in any event it was just it's this dystopia sci-fi thing where it's a futuristic world and everybody's handic