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The Ocho: Mike Pereira talks NFL rules changes

Blogging the Boys

30:44 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: Mike Pereira talks NFL rules changes

"Nona what up world welcome to another episode of the ocho presented you in partnership partnership as always s._p. Nations bogging the boys dot com name our job you know me of course from and from right here as you're humble host on the ocho it is thursday the third day august twenty ninth two thousand and nineteen and before we get started a bit of an explanation of an apology from me <hes> we tell you that you get a cowboys episode every day here on the block on the boys podcast subscribe wherever you get your podcast and that is true and the truth. Is you know we had talked all we had said we have have a very special guest for this wednesday that what we're saying 'cause i thought we did and we have the very special guest today to be clear and so i- recorded an episode so for wednesday and i talked all about how i had misread the calendar and you know it was actually thursday that we're going to bring you this special gas and apologize and we had a big conversation sation about fifty three man roster and everything it was a really you know in my humble opinion and really great episode however when i went to upload it accidentally clicked the wrong day so i had accidentally clicked for a future day instead of wednesday the twenty eighth so it did not go out as publish just scrapped it. Don't worry about it but we do have a brand new episode of star connor dalton and coal. They do give you the three man roster projection so you can go. Listen to that in your feet and we have a very special guest joining us today from fox from your television screens from buffalo wild wings. Mike pereira the longtime and still time n._f._l. Rules official expert mike pereira is these are very special guests and had a great conversation with him talked about all things you know passenger transport because that is kind of the dominant subject when it comes to rules in the changes that we're seeing to the n._f._l. This offseason to be implemented for the nineteen season and i think it's something you'll really enjoy because you know when you hear my prayer on fox on america's erica's game of the week wherever they are if it's green bay chicago. You know sometimes minnesota washington new york whatever you know. Mike's got really interesting job and mike knows everything there is is to know about football and about the rules and obviously it was such a big change happening. His opinion is really important and can really help you understand in terms of what we can expect act from the pass interference change and mike you normally hear just explanation on rules but in this conversation we touch on the cowboys because his thoughts on on this team and he knows what he's talking to and so my good guy and a big big shout out to buffalo wild wings help make this possible because yeah you'll hear why in fact let's let's stop. Let's get right to it from fox from buffalo wild wings from the n._f._l. Mike pereira joins us next right here on d._o._t. Pleased to be joined now by one of the best in the business somebody who could probably regulate yours and my life in terms of every decision you have to face the one and <music> only from fox from the n._f._l. From buffalo wild wings these days mike pereira mike how you doing r._j. I'm doing great. It's really great to talk to you. It is fantastic. Talk to you. Mike because your voice means it's football season. I mean have you ever thought about people associate your voice this time of year you argue. It's amazing to me. How many people say to me. You know all all yeah you know they didn't. I know who i was. They thought me the might be like all. I recognize your voice so i guess i'm that ugly that the only thing my voice but <hes> it's it's at least for me. It does mean football. Season is here cords. It also means that that <hes> you know i anthony joined boned up on the rules and all that kind of stuff and <hes> but it's it's <hes> it's fun for me. Especially knowing the get the ballast phillips or things for four cowboy home teams that you know that large crew will be covering so. I'm really looking forward to start the excited talk to you about the cowboys in a bit part of america's game of the week crew and it's always great. You know what you guys are in town. It's obviously a big game and <hes> something something. Serious is on the line. We get there though everybody knows you from everything. Everybody knows you know the rules of the answers. You're doing something new ooh season with buffalo out and you're trying to help relationships. What's going on. Well you know actually buffalo wild wings reached community because they have a really cool idea about doing a a football pre-nup. <hes> or the regular season you know one of those deals where you're the big fan and you're the cowboy fan and you wanna make sure that <hes> you know that you get this your cowboy deems on the road and you know but you wanna make sure that you get back to your spouse or your partner to and so you sign up saying i get to watch the games these cowboy games and then your your spouse. Your partner gets to say okay. I'll let you watch votes but hey you know what <hes> you know. I want to go to that. Ah chilly contests but chilly weekend and so you're going to have to give up that we didn't for me so all of a sudden when they told me about that i thought you know maybe i wouldn't have been married twice if i would have had this agreement back the first marriage and and we have under slain before the season even started so they let me put on the stripe shirt and be the pre-nup of financial and <hes> you know and and kind of these people people in front of video how to get involved in how to sign up for this and i think you know i i really think it'll be fun and then these people to to have access to me on twitter. They wanna ask me questions like no really. Was it a catch or was. It might again please. You know they're gonna get access to me on twitter and <hes> and if you you know i really strongly urge people to have some fun with this and they can do it by going on seventeen w._w. Dot football pre-nup dot com and <hes> and they can sign up for this and that some fun. It's a cool idea. You mentioned football pre-nup dot com. You're on twitter at my career. You keep it simple long. No fancy underscores and it is cool because i i mean you've always got to make borrow. Hey sunday and then you know we'll go to that traders. Show whatever on tuesday <hes>. I know that always remain impartial can't fill one out but i know laura. Rutledge has from e._s._p._n. Right her and her husband. They have <hes> but it's good for them. I think that this is a new bird of an open relationship. You're open open and honest about your football football. I agree <hes> obviously the biggest subject when it comes to n._f._l. Rules this the report interference rule and what have n._f._c. championship game. You've been firm on this. You mentioned not your twitter. You've been tweeting like frasier millennial all all of us that <hes> that you don't think this is going to be a big deal. This could happen on average of once per game ha. How strongly do you feel in that role. I feel stronger stronger every week in the preseason and <hes> you know one of the reasons. Why long about not i'm you know three or more lima's i think the <hes> the coaches are are pretty loose with their challenges in the season. They really don't care. They lose it. Find out well. That's which it one of the regular season starts you know you get a limited number of challenges and if you lose a challenge then you get a timeout charge to you and so that being said i made they're going to be less inclined to challenge and then here's the other thing that you know in the preseason coaches said things jaycees job of helping push through <hes> you know they need to decide or figure out where the sand hiring is from new york forget about the officials. They're gonna appreciate it on the same way. If it's so close they can't tell they're not gonna call it but it was interesting. Interesting is of the forty eight that we had in the in the preseason soul are for everyone were hall was made either o._t. I and u._p._i. It would not seen on the field. It's stood every time. There were no conversely so if i'm a coach that's the first thing i'm saying to myself. Look if it's called a maximum challenge. I'm not going until we find out because they're staying with the clear and obvious standard when it comes to low to be call and so so i think you'll get less coaches challenges from that period so you're doing really intended to do the to address the play from new orleans last year with the ram if it's not call and it is clear and obvious that it that it should have been called then they're gonna put pass interference down on a six time and fix time in forty stoppages stoppages <hes> so i just don't think is going to have the impact that <hes> and really make a mess out of it like people thought originally amen included beat. I don't like we were gonna see three or four stoppages for gain now that i see how new york family and i think that it's going to be unclearly one football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching that first game like having a shot at a million dollars. Here's draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users can sign up today and get get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just by using code espy nation. Here's what you do download. The draftkings app use that code sb the nation draft six players from the opening thursday night showdown between chicago and green bay and then dirk draft king single game showdown contests with two and a half million gillian dollars in total prizes already draftkings user you can get in on the action to for a limited time. Both new and existing users can get a deposit bonus miss up to five hundred dollars. 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Network you can spend through all the most exciting plays as they happen and watch your favorite teams and players every sunday plus fantasy hennessy stats extended highlights and much more and it all happens on just one channel stream n._f._l. Football live with sling t._v. Don't miss out on this landmark n._f._l. Season when you sign up now get your first month for only twenty five dollars. Just go to sling dot com slash box dash n._f._l. That's s. l. i. N. g. dot com slash vox dash n._f._l. Again sling dot com slash vox dash n._f._l. I want to circle back to the jason garib part of this in a second mike but you know i get the concern over time stoppages and maybe this is where football naps truly are valuable but i mean if there were three or four stoppages in the game i mean who does that hurt legitimately i mean because i feel like football is a is a situation where you just devote your sunday. I mean most fans are just this is our entire day. It's what i do so you're going to be watching from start to finish. I mean three or four stoppages twenty to twenty five minutes. Potentially i mean at the absolute maximum. Is that because that really like a just an ultimate terrible situation for the well. I don't think it hurts. You know the single game you know i. I don't think it works through sunday nineteen. I don't think it's a monday night game i but it does hurt because it hurts their on sunday. Where you know you have teams the you know the fear in the west coast kick off at ten to gawk no five foot eight preussen or fan or anybody to watch television more breaking away from a ten o'clock gene because if your local market rules rules and you're going to break away from a tight game and then you know interrupt go somewhere else that's why they've already moved american being the week the twenty five minutes after jordan our in that <hes> five minutes after the hour if there is considering about that and and you know i i would say this thing. It's tough about it is it's all that time. It's all time for the you know for the for the guys guys watching the game on television the you know if i'm thinking i'm a fan on either december through five. Ah agrees outside. It's not fun so i i think it has to flow to the being and and i think replace leads to remain limited <hes> but i wanted to but i don't. I don't think it's going to happen and i think eighteen better off for well. It's interesting that you've kind of pulled a one eighty in that regard. I feel a certain way about jason garrett as i'm sure you're aware but the truth is he's a highly intelligent person and he has a lot of respect and reverence for the national football league and everything that's come before him and sean mcvay who obviously obviously was a part of the n._f._c. championship game is on record that jason garrett into your point really did kind of help. Get this point across. What impact is he had. I think was fans really would like to hear some some sort of details in terms of what jason goods thoughts on this specifically well. I jason garrett <hes> you know part of the group. I mean he. He knew i mean you that something was gonna come out of the comments it had i mean the the missing the new orleans was you know had such a such consequence to that you knew that something was going to come out of there and fat it also was sean payton on the competition committee that <hes> you know something going to happen and and the thing would jason is in you know in my right feelings are chasing when iran department and <hes> and even might be jason's when i've seen him in a cowboy beans about is is level headed as i've seen anybody when it comes to understanding a rural and the you know the ramification of a rule change engine semi he beat the coaches you know in that regard the fact that you know he's able to see it not through the eyes of the cowboys but through the eyes of the coach and i thank you saw the danger of taking it totally out of the coach hands and and and i think he knew that the rally the coaches together to get something done and <hes> and and you know listen. I'm not saying that i ever really necessarily that's a -sarily had favorite coaches. <hes> you know in the league but jason was always a guy that treated me with the utmost respect. Even though maybe he didn't agree you now with something that <hes> you know something what's called so he just he just a strong player amongst through of coaches that's interesting and it really does does vibe with <hes>. He's you know he's always had strong leadership qualities and that's something that people have grown to learn about him so that i think that fits that mold really well two more for you might cause. I know you're busy. Getting people signed up for prenups and everything <hes> you know cowboys fans do watch you. You know what feels like every week. I'm curious and if you could explain what's the process like like when when joe enjoy bring you in just could you can't deal the curtain back. What's that like you know. Is it okay. You know. Somebody tells you the producer in your ear this play we're going to discuss. We've got this highlight. What's that whole process like for you well. It's you know i'm wherever you are. I am there so that means in dallas four times china. I think totally six times and i stand right next to troy and <hes> you know what what happened. Is i have my headset but i have my mike turned off and <hes> the truck is obviously the the broadcast production truck is listening to what joe says and troy and if there is something that joan joe things i can add to he will just say you know mike pereira what your thoughts and then they get my microphone and <hes> and and then i just i say what you know immediate reaction what i think whether it's on a pass interference call or replay situation i also have the ability to talk dr troy and cajole you know as the players are going on to feed them some information <hes> if i can but i think it's really in in all honesty you know part of our job is to project. You know what we think about what happens on the field. Whether it's a football play or whether alerts an an officiating decision and many many many many of the officiating decisions are easy and are right but some of those is that right or maybe wrong i think joe and troy look rather the need that makes the comment on whether it's right or wrong and and and i am the one that has so they do the easy ones that i get tough one but being in the booth <hes> and being involved involved in every one of their games as i was last year and we'll be this year has given me a far raider appreciation creation of the work that both troy and joe do you know and she the work that they put in in preparation for the games and the players <hes> is incredible and think that they would have to add officiating too that when they've never done that <hes> you know really they kinda even made it more difficult for them. So maybe i get to take some of the heat off of that and and i and i i really have i've really ever enjoyed doing that. It is such a fascinating situation because you have a job that everybody thinks they can do something. That's i'm sure an interesting detail. Finally mike because you do watch the cowboys so often in you guys obviously cover a lot of n._f._c. games. You're in philadelphia often in green bay. What are your thoughts on the cowboys this season i mean you guys have the super bowl so i mean you think you'll see the guy was in miami. I mean what's going on there. I think we have a chance to see the cowboys in miami. <hes> <hes> you know to me. You've got some missing parts of course but will eventually get settled. I make you you have to have <hes> you have to have a balanced balanced offense. I mean i just don't think back than survive if he has to throw the ball more than totally necessary i mean you've gotta that'd be able to run the ball. You've been known for having a good offense. You find the parts. The parts are there and i think what's going to happen one of these years and maybe it is this sure that <hes> you know everything clicks and you go from having a hard time winning a playoff being periods are rolling into super bowl and i think that they're us back kind of talent. You know on the on the cowboy roster so you know we're optimistic is certainly i think we would like to be because you know find an old forty niner fan. You know right to say when we wanna know superbowls with joe montana. We're america's team you know and steelers. I'm trying to say when they have run their america's team. Well guess what the cowboys are america's team and it shows by the ratings there are towel boy fan everywhere and so you know we had boxer optimistic that <hes> that they'll have a good year and of course joy some <hes> some inside that that too so we we. We like their chances well. Here's hoping mike that when we see on radio row in miami the cowboys are getting ready for practice and you know getting things squared away to play a game that following sunday sign up for a pre-nup it will save your marriage or your relationship. <hes> mike pereira will help you. Football pre-nup dot com on twitter at mike. I might have a great season best of luck and hopefully hopefully the heat you take is is a little bit cooler than usual. Thanks i appreciate that a very large in charge thank you to my career in buffalo wild wings for the time on thursday. What what a pleasant conversation pleasant guy i had. I've met my career once before at the super bowl in houston fifty-one working radio e._s._p._n. San italian we had him on the blitz and he's a great guy. You know we took a photo together. He's so cool and so awesome so down to earth and and i think that that really came across i think it was really cool that he owned up to being a forty niners fan and i think it's really impressive that he thinks the cowboys can be in miami for super bowl fifty four. I think it's impressive that he said that fox oxes helpful. I think that those are important. Things and i think it was a great conversation and i think the football prenup thing. It's a fun thing for your girlfriend boyfriend. My friends spouse partner husband wife whatever you got going on. I think it's a fun way because you know everybody has that you know a whole man. We got to watch this game again again. I thought we didn't we just watch the game yesterday. Yeah i mean okay fine. I'll make you deal. Here's this pre-nup football pre-nup dot com. If you want to get one and sign up and have some i'm fine with it and we'll be sure to take that trip. We'll be sure to go to that movie. We'll be sure to go to that. Play whatever it is. You gotta do to watch football. You get it done on you know how it is. The fall is so crazy. Everybody knows that everybody experiences that i know in my life personally you know i've i've got high school football games on friday nights so that takes up fridays and then have a saturday morning radio show that kinda eats up into that day and then you know before you know it sunday. It's kick off and everything is wild and crazy but it's the time of here that everybody looks forward to <hes> before we get out of here. I think it is worth talking about what marshall faulk had to say about ezekiel elliott and jalen smith. <hes> you know obviously this happened on wednesday and i wrote about it. Blogging the boys dot com ahead to tweet about it as well but if you somehow missed it marshall faulk was on the dan patrick show oh on wednesday and you know obviously marshall faulk is relevant because he's in kabo training ezekiel elliott reportedly and he told dan you know dan asked him. What's your job was. You can in marshall said look. Let's be clear. I don't have a job. I'm here to trains you. Come here to get him into game shape etc and that was all fine and whatever everybody had their lives when marshall said he was trying to beat the puke in kabo but what what marshall said about jalen smith felt like a line crossed and that's because last week when marshalls on the rich eisen show he talked about how dak prescott was kind of a bomb paying him would be sort sort of a bomb decision and you know whatever in and that was really questionable but when talking about jaylen smith marshall said this if you think about this and i'm not counting owning another man's money but if you think about what jalen smith did and what he got compared to what zeke has done and what he is asking for. It's not even close. It's not even even close. They drafted linebacker in the first round last year. If they thought so much of jalen i mean you draft another linebacker. In the first round. Marshall faulk was using the fact that the cowboys drafted in vander ashes an indictment against pain jalen smith perhaps and that's just they're bad takes and then there are just miss of takes and this is somehow both and it's not like you know people people say what they say about different analysts and people that talk about sports for a living and whatever and that's fine. You got a problem with this show host. You've got a problem with that. Ah you know program whatever that guy. He hates my team. Whatever marshall faulk is a hall of fame running back. He's literally one of the best running backs to ever live and so oh it's just startling that he could say something like this. You know that would imply the he believes that up the only one linebacker to play football football football the saint louis rams faced in the late nineties and early two thousands. Maybe that's why i'm mike martinez. Offenses were so great. I don't know but the point here is the point at the end of it. All it is it is not the worst thing in the world so nobody freak out but it is very not good for zeke ezekiel elliott that somebody who is so closely attached to him in the middle of this whole doubt as the regular season. We're talking on thursday okay. The regular season begins a week from today. Obviously the cowboys always don't play in that game the chicago bears and green bay packers but we are ten days away from the regular season beginning and somebody that is closely attached to with zico elliott is publicly on the rich eisen show and the dan patrick show calling out not just two of his teammates but he's calling out dak aca prescott and jalen smith. Who are you know and people will say whatever about doctor who are beloved by the cowboys organization by a lot of cowboys fans it. It is just you know can can any you know real harm come from this. I don't know potentially what i do. Know is that no good can come from this and so it would it would be it would be a good thing if this stopped happening is really kind of. I think the best way to put it but but that that about does it for thursday's episode again we fifty three man roster predictions happening on the blog of the boys podcast feed talking to star talked about it. We've got tons of two to three men roster. Talk happening at blog on the boys dot com. This episode is being recorded and dropping a little bit before lunchtime on thursday so obviously the cowboys play their preseason finale tonight thursday night against the tampa bay buccaneers we will have a post game episode up on the blog on the boys podcast so you should into tally get about three episodes depending on the time time this fine thursday and so we'll have that available for you if you're if you go to sleep after the game on thursday night maybe preoccupied. I know my texas magazine. Playing clemson's play in the united states some national teams playing. I mean there's a lot going on in the sports world so if you're just preoccupied know that at the very least friday morning we'll have a post game. Wrap up show for you here on the blogs podcast feed on the ocho. We'll talk about our reactions thoughts two years and who we think ultimately mix to three airman roster so that doesn't have the best thursday of all time and i'll talk to you later today or tomorrow depending on how that goes with all that being said ed indiana my friends as always go cowboys <music> <music> <music> hi emma medically editor and chief eater and i am daniel janine producer here at peter and we are here to tell you about our brand podcasts yours digest every week on the show we dive into the weirdest funniest and most important stories he's in the world of food with the inside scoop from the biggest names in the industry and expert insights from the eater newsroom <hes>. 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REShow: Mike Pereira. Hour 3 (10-15-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

43:26 min | 1 year ago

REShow: Mike Pereira. Hour 3 (10-15-19)

"Blacken continues in daily fantasy. Yahoo is better than ever this year Yahoo daily fantasy recently released a new three hundred thousand dollar NFL baller contests with thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net production available on Apple podcasts and podcast one I get near midseason exciting more effecting final results and Mike will join us what can be done what is happening it's Cetera and so forth he'll be joining us in the middle of the on our number two we talked about doing that broadcast for NFL network as well as the jets beating the Dallas cowboys this game felt more comfortable and it's funny out the booth is very spacious at Tottenham Hotspur where we're going in Wembley in a couple of weeks it's much more tight I mean it's called the Gantry it's a small right now for football college and professional so many people talking about the officiating the state of officiating the NFL that it's never been worse and it's never been more troubling and it's never been it was amazing and then mooch called the the free kick towards the end of the first half he sought coming that hey this is going that if you fair catch a punt or kick at the end of the half you have the right to take a have a free plate from that spot and he called the free kick in small spot and but the like we we know when each other we can finish each other's sentences when everyone wants to talk they get Out in time for me to describe the play I get out in time for them to analyze it and then and then the telestrator in front of Kurt Kurt to my right body gets are now yahoo dot com slash daily fantasy that's yahoo dot com slash daily fantasy when you make your first deposit use Promo Code pod twenty five that's p o d served in the middle of this hour Tyler Lockett joins us in the middle of hour number one Michael Irvin just hung up the phone with him hung out with him in London we did the bucks and Panthers Taleh straight he would have to use his left hand is non writing hand to reach out and tell us straight something so kurt anytime you saw Mooch talk and he has to marry she sees him between me and Mariuchi and herbs to at the answered goes me Kirk Mooch an herb and the booth and so for Mooch the guy that Mooch was highlighting on the defense or I use one hundred percent right every time what Mooch was going to say on the telestrator going Kirk was the one doing the telestrator he knew exactly what they wanted without communicating it's the coach quarterback takes forever ball out again lose it and then tie time out time out Tampa burning their timeouts but McCaffrey from Stanford runs out of bounds to stop the to over in London for you during the play by play was it how did you find it as compared to the first go around last year I mean that was the first time I've ever done it so this time I felt more comfortable and the four of us hit and then after the two minute warning pump fakes on on a on a screen that gets blown up balls out they recover it next play you couldn't see comment I loved it I I would do that as much as I can. It's so much fun being at a game eight four four two zero four rich number to dial talk for Tampa that gives Tampa another shot which wound up being beneficial to Carolina 'cause they got a free kick it was so bizarre the last two minutes is at one point you know he's like you know all the Brits are confused and I'm like the Americans convinced never seen that before had enough leg to just missed a wide right he missed it wide on the air phone lines are live we're GonNa take your calls in an hot minute Mike Pereira is GonNa call our show in the middle of this hour the former head of NFL refs and Fox rules analysts five for twenty five dollars in free play that's Pod twenty-five Promo Code for twenty five dollars in free play our number three of the rich Eisen show is the producer and director and everybody they're so amazing the whole crew's been great ray so thank you I love to see on Thursday nights sometimes Nah where a lot of hats by wish you would do a lot more games you know what I appreciate it it's it's a long way to go to but you know the crew that doesn't it's a Fox crew team and scope title a sixty yards air filter fuel goal with no rush hours after I mean the two minute communication really mental communication system that they have together Kirkwood draw a circle the guy that was talking about he do the route and he'd also Sir I saw this whole exchange of people saying that I was being biased against the panthers so I screen grabbed it Senate Joe Buck saying now in a high feel well I mean that's Joe Buck territory right now so but it's funny job thanks for the call right now and it's funny at at one point I did look at my twitter feed during halftime other appreciate it hey man I didn't get up in time to watch game on a get recorded and I gotta tell you you guys in the booth are one of the best I can yesterday on w. e. e. i Tom Brady said he's not going to be the guy who lobbies for Gronk to come back he's happy that he's enjoying his life and doing what he gronk a show up on Thursday night football last week as a fox analyst had a lot of fun her Robert Kraft said that he can hope and pray the GRONK comes back the brand lawrence you're Scottish and that's crap the sporty civic coupe and the spacious civic hatchback there's something for every style so hadn't your local Honda dealer and find the civic for you today Chris what you have all right Mike we'll start this one for you so we delman and they can have James White back there too so chip him on the way to Brady and they need they need them and certainly if there's an injury that's uperior talents Lawrence for all of us this is up there that have been pounding the table for years using our hard wants to do this morning Rob Gronkowski was on the Greg Hill show on w. ee I and this happened when I retired I retired for reasons because I knew the stuff earned reputational capital in this business to pound the table that kickers and punters are people to you are damaging come on the tank for two of stuff is I told you this it's not an players it's on a front office some point they're going to face a defense that locks down certain members of their offense and zeroes in on Tom Brady and Brady's GonNa need to go to guy and everybody knows that guys Julian the last remaining undefeated team in league and they were one two point conversion away from beating the Redskins and making Matt Prophecy come true fifteenth good write that down and Tober tags save the hats do they need them do they need them in your we'll catching passes and with our first our guest Tyler Lockett and decay met Catholics great bears news here Schefter saying and the bears announced a paid also do oh sure did you yeah I told you the record has nothing to do with it it's the offensive efficiency they know they understand at some point in the NFL no way no how I'd take him in the fifth to seventh round as a backup at best great kid but he is all hype on a superior team or and Poor Josh Rosen good Lord I don't even know what to make of going on there yeah poor Josh Rosen all right let's go a little baseball we got two games today we got Yankees Astros game moving all of the ammunition for the players and the coaching staff right right had it I had my fourth down take a couple of weeks ago grabbing the hot take plank that the dolphins Ronda Brockman with federal live or come in with the new altuve other twenty twenty Honda Civic Lineup the Always Fund civic sedan the three at one o'clock Pacific for four o'clock eastern and we got nationals cardinals game for that could be over tonight but gotta warns times former giants Kicker This this is up there for worst worst take he said the tank for two thing as a joke right this cat will not be a star Ah that's a fact that happened all right let's get to let's get your news update eight four four zero four which will also take your phone calls on the other side of this news update brought to you by okay so it would be a no as it would be a no it's a no no there it is right doesn't look like grounds coming back this year October before you get to report to the your news let's just take a couple of phone calls let's go to Ray in Vegas Rain Vegas Manhattan what's up rich how you doing welcome back yesterday was the anniversary of the Chris Chambliss home run my first baseball memory and in terms of just difference of calling a game everybody should seek out the Chambliss home run call by Keith Jackson and then as soon as the ball hit the back and it's leaving the yard you hear Howard cosell screamed that's gone and then he didn't stop Kim Hicks Injured Reserve that he's out it's a bummer for that bears deep just came across this morning you guys might WanNa have Dan we got two left now we got bengals doll understand and by the way they play each other deep in the season get that one right Yeah Week Sixteen here you go sixteen got Josh Gordon Kinda got banged up wasn't practiced today to kill Harry showed up practice designated to return after we see how he does his decay metcalf is done very well nineteen eighty eight October Fifteenth Nineteen eighty-eight Game One of the world series back then I just remember watching that and I remember thinking to myself those soft dodger fans leaving early Oh and fourteen verse fourteen situation who the Heck knows Dolphin stride man the three the game right now newest class of inductees so these are the nominees who gets in in your mind Pat Ben Atar Whitney Houston the notorious B I g nine inch nails Dave Matthews Toss Angeles as the as the camera widens out and you see the tail lights of people leave and then I moved out to Los Angeles and I'm one of those folks one thousand nine hundred eighty eight this happened let's go this day in history we need to make history ruttles never got in and then lastly Jennifer Aniston announced she joined instagram today guys hey who's eh he wasn't a layout type of guy which is the TV term when you ask announcer to let the crowd and the pictures tell the story you be quiet led a brief as Vin de had gone and then he'd let it breathe and then he said what he said about the improbable and the impossible something that you know he mentioned Joe Booker Yeah One hundred thirteen thousand followers already she follows eighty one is please tell me Michael del Tufo one of them may look fodder ready so she follows one celebrity sports figure you wish would hop on the social media train oh there she is with the whole cast of friends I post that'll be liked by about a million people one you can only take one film or movie or song from all of them we gave our picks early. Let's go to the phone lines chip in Maine Chris Brockman Kopech is so good at yeah didn't they wasn't there after the cubs won eat laid out for three minutes or something like that yeah interesting about the digs touchdown kudos to kirk cousins last two Games man Oh yeah two games I thought it was going to go the other way it's gone it's gone nothing but up the went in the you like that rex todd Rundgren soundgarden featuring shock Akon Lizzy motorhead. These are all going in here so they only take the nominee Sese de Niro Pacino Bruce springsteen all had dinner in the same spot I was watching it the whole time it's kind of crazy in London and I said Ban every one of them among a big west of others brothers session what is it do they do they oh these are all getting it's t story they've got a huge game coming up there at Detroit this week they're going bananas hit on this real quick is up your Alley Mike Rock and Roll Hall of fame announced nominees for the in committee. I should be on the veterans music riding the wrong of the fact that first ballots Aga- ballot I I went up on interrupted Scorsese's conversation at tell him how much I loved them and I figured I'd one shot to get in get him with any of them and I chose Scorsese and then got a Selfie by blocking his way with the back of my chair as if I was like just getting up just to get up oh you're leaving can I get a Selfie I like I really did that chip from a couple years ago laid off three yeah great spend much by the way I'll hit this four ounce tomorrow yeah Al Pacino's definitely to me San of a woman okay cocktail kind of a no brainer for me pulp fiction okay and oh I don't believe for Scorsese while apocalypse now is apocalypse now was was coppola okay that's my fault the employer has happened skelly all you know the appropriate cast all the guys just the greatest thing Deniro I'm going to go a little different my favorite deniro movie it'd be in the father of two sons Rackham they say RATPAC Tenth Avenue Freezer. Nobody's mentioned sensible woman can tool a saying that said scarface too I mean oncoming Dr Pepper coordinating producer upon our hearing our first entries come on if you're on a deserted island you gotta laugh comedy in there but there are comedic moments in these it's all good I I I was kinda confused on that good Dennis thanks for the call you got it I will not fall Dennis from midnight run no that was not arena as we all know he's rest in peace but midnight Ron Deniro and I know gangster movie I guess so but I mean midnight run as you know is my favorite comedy of all time funny nobody's GonNa meet the parents yet for Deniro but I mean just one movie just gotTa go one eight as a bronx tale I really don't want his role as the boys dad he's just just he he's everything you want your dad to be Pacino there was only one spirit there as they're not as good as the godfather that's the problem that's not a problem but that's the thing they're Knoxville Tennessee let's take your call what's up dentist how're you doing rich what do you got for me Dennis Okay I'M GONNA put a couple of quick votes on this category got going that guy just stole my thunder state what's going on to restore it Sir what's going on brother well I just wanted to chime in that was a great question. Congratulations see those guys springsteen down here streets of Philadelphia Tab with that and born in USA okay and Deniro was midnight run I influence of the Classic Rock Scene Eighties I just Fell in love with Song Tenth Avenue freeze out what a classic chip waited waited Nice great phone call seven he's what's Kinda hey deep here I love a chip y'all yeah he's fantastic he's the he's the man that movie springsteen as a young man growing up GEICO DOT com and in fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket of course this may be the most rewarding too thank you do you have an entry into this conversation as scared Scorsese's amazing catalog I think casinos my favorite movies okay for more Information Mike Pereira former head of NFL refs now Fox rules analyst joining US shortly here on the rich Eisen Show Jeff in Detroit Alright Jeff I heard you a DP do you do today. Direct TV has pro football and four K. HD are with lifelike picture quality Richard Colors and four times the resolution of it you couldn't say this to in twenty years ago but at the middle man now experiences like behind you you can now articulate how much you appreciate what he's meant to you and this it was the right time thorough red challenge flag when we don't agree Mike Pereira Pereira ahead of NFL reference cleaning pick-up some milk here's an idea let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and good thing you don't have to drop off or pick up anything all you have to do is go to as I take the nominees yeah it's no there's no yeah there's no veterans committee this November that's why went raging bull for him casino is a good one from chip eight four four two zero four rich number to dial we have Pereira do it on on the process hd make sure to tune in this Thursday catch Kansas City at Denver direct TV Four K. China one oh five and if you don't have four K. go to att dot com slash is aw so it makes it even worse all Jeff I I don't know what to say other than the fact that you know even though Desmond Howard at a I'm assuming tongue-in-cheek tweet about check people is you know do they have a vision plan because clearly what everybody else was seeing is not what they were saying on the field and for some reason I think it's more insulting because you've had it elements to make sure that this doesn't happen and it still happens even more so now Louis out Pacino of course the Godfather Kite tell a little change up here too I loved his role and you five seven one my favorite movie of all time at the end of every situation the lions are worse for every time and I just I can't understand I really don't and obviously wasn't good but I have been saying all along today look at people say it was a phantom call for the illegal hands of the face I get it they weren't right calls but you can't go I mean not so much as to what happened last night but it's what's going on in this pass interference thing you know last night it's it's back in the day when I was on NFL total access now Fox rules analyst with everybody talking about officiating in the NFL that's next on the rich Eisen show everybody's got a to do list drop off the dry very good not very good and and maybe even worse because I heard he's down at the owners meeting in Florida and I'm not sure that I want to face that aw Gosh you're losing your nine oh how you've been in this situation before I imagine how how's Al River on feeling today do you think I'm I'm pretty good but can I call you uncle rich to I would like to know my as you bank accounts you know I I will I will say this uncle rich and to your credit you always championed play but I'm shoulder to cry on what do you got for me Oh my goodness the only thing that I ask is that I'm wondering do the brisket check for out of the neck or head area and in the first one he actually was the collar which is about what less than a foot away from the neck and the other one was on the left shoulder just Ah Jeff hang on the phone line and we're doing here Mike Pereira 'cause he's going to join us here thanks for thanks to call it Jeff in Detroit Mike Pereira former head of NFL refs Fox rules analyst here on the rich Eisen show how are you two thousand dollars for first place ten dollars you got to check this out today Yahoo daily fantasy has new content every week with guaranteed cash prizes even if you don't win the whole thing you can still walk away with a little more for me on scorsese I'm kind of torn on that one well 'cause I can't thank the top of my head what was the one with the Martin Sheen in it we're it's a war movie go down and put it in the end zone on fourth and goal you gotta just take that chance because don't come back every time and get you jeff on coal uncle for me claiming uncle when it comes to the Tuck rule I'm your daddy waiting for you to get that forward fumble in the endzone chains Doug who Solano Overhang the meantime let's continue on with again scores you had you had to do it right in that moment you couldn't let it pass it was a seminal moment easy it was quite yeah you I think you mentioned this easy you know it was a combination of all the things added the rest I have to put some of this on Matt Patricia because you cannot play in think you're GONNA be erogenous bill goes you gotta grow up there away from the obviously the calls were not correct calls and and but but they you know it's just it it gets frustrating sometimes for me rich because it in real time it's so hard when you have your hands up there and it's a flash and vay answer some questions and potentially make some money along the way from all of us here at podcast one thank you for being a dedicated listener I'm from coaches that they believe some time around week two week three that the emphasis or the the rule verbiage has changed because repeating and there's no doubt in my mind coaches think that it's it's off and they're more and more vocal frustrated I'm sick of it quite frankly because it just it's just it just kind of having to standards for one play entrust throwing their challenge flag and I get it they're frustrated everybody on social media is frustrated you know the owners the Golden Tate play to me looks exactly like some of the plays that Al River on showed to the NFL network media group in the rest of all the about it certainly when it comes to pass interference what can be done to get these things more right than certainly they have been through the first six weeks of the season then things will make a lot more sense to everybody because I just tell you just telling you if it's week seventeen and you got a game where the winner moves into the playoffs on air and production stabs as he went through the summer it looks exactly like something that would put a flag down on the field for pass interference it's just not right and so they want to change it and they wanNA leave that meeting and they want to say okay forget this clear and obvious stuff when you look at it alad either is or isn't this whole notion of agreed and and clear and obvious what they're doing is and it's not acceptable for coach coach challenges that it's defensive pass interference well I'd say first thing the league needs not to overreact by one for one play that happens in the championship game I mean I think it's bizarre that you know you go isn't that championship game in in New Orleans and that's what has everybody screwed up here and and they they could really change this and make it a lot easier and replay it is or isn't period then there would be sensible decisions made and good challenges made by coaches who now don't even Pat Shurmur in in New England the other day near the end of the game on a pass to Golden Tate he challenges that it's interference interference everybody knows it's interference and you have something like the Golden Tate situation where the League says in replay yeah it is but it's not big enough I mean it's going to be held to pay and now the standard appears to be even more strict you think something's changed mid-season here Mike now I don't think so I mean I look at every play to making pass interference reviewable all throughout the game and then second if you want a quick fix and you could fix this at the meeting today in Florida if you wanted to the lack clear instead of going to this big subjective it has to be be on what the officials look at on the field and turns their standard and just say pass defensive pass interference wasn't called and then they reviewed it it changed and put pass interference on it I mean it was it was the they the thing is it's almost seems to me like they went they were trying to get consistent to find some consistency and then it's made oh so kind of way out there I mean you don't know there's no guidelines to it really no consistent guideline to it and I just yeah I mean I I saw bruce or challenge for defensive pass interference and maybe you're right I don't know he challenged in a game against the giants well I'm not GonNa be I'm not going to be horribly surprised if they changes well the question is Mike Prairie on the rich Eisen show if it's already been changed because that's what I'm here it's hard for anybody our of Ron who I feel bad for has been putting the difficult place to find this standard that is so better worse or the same now from my time when I was there and and that's the key question that I struggle with but in the end how difficult it was to watch you is turning the game off this past week six straight snaps the football had a flag Jim Nance said what I'm sure many fans said he said it into era here on the rich Eisen show and it's more than just pass interference though Mike you've got all the holding penalties that happen through the first three weeks and Tom Brady even tweeted out about it has become why and I think that's because technology has is is sneaked its way so far into the game that we've got officials with the earphone but replay applies a different standard than the officials because it's not clear and obvious and egregious comparing all plays to what happened you can say what New York to say and I think it's taken you know a lot of the responsibility of officiating off the officials back and I think that's hurt them I think I mean it's it's like it's like to me the officials are not responsible enough for the game and officiating his snuck gets and matlock floor challenge to play saying that Philadelphia interfered my got its interference it's interference interference all day long defenders not play in the we call two in a row let's not call anything now for a couple of plays I mean I don't get that argument I really don't when they when they all are in fact it is hurt them in my day if you had a pass interference that occurred at the thirty two yard line you through your flag from twenty yards away you got it as close as you could to thirty two not but I I said this rich and I'll say to you and then I'm GonNa leave it alone people have asked me and it's a hard question for me do you think the -ficiating is owns directed to the replay booth to each other to New York there's there's too much going on and there's too much reliance on what the replay official my decision is I think the officials from top to bottom or better now than they were back at my time from top to bottom but the officiating is not as good and so then that question I almost bet my bottom dollar which is about all I have left you know that it doesn't make it back in at least under the form that it's in right now into the replay booth and snuck gets away into the art mcnally command center in New York and I think overall it is hurt officiate so then keeps the left arm from getting to the ball to try to make complex challenges no change later on in the game the Peterson challenges is interference and they don't change there's we just alle or whatever that said well the best way to be consistent is not to overturn period but I just think it's it's and I know it's a tough it's a tough job it's a tough Gig but what can be done here because there is now it's it's right or wrong it's now a narrative that fans are who is microphone that this nobody nobody wants this so what is to be died what can be done I mean just it's you know I think the real up to fail maybe that's it remember it's only a one year rule it's GonNa take twenty four votes to get back in next year and I don't think they'll get it structure at this point doesn't work so what structure does work I mean and and does the eye in the sky bazaars it seems will it be happens what can be done as a fix for the rest of this season Mike I mean I think that's the million dollar question I'm not Houdini I mean I don't know but I think you gotta try to quit officiating with Bandaids I mean fix officiating with bandaids and and I did it you know it is the the and I know this you could make the change on pass interference I think you could do that and I think they may because they don't want the super bowl to be cited by some decision like that but grabbed the receivers arm and he couldn't get it all the way up so they put it on that's it does that was pass interference then they went to Green Bay and Philadelphia pick up the flag sorry horrible injury that was knocked out momentarily but real time decisions like that with an aid official that that can correct some things and comes to another call one official and Kansas City Kansas City to just got by Houston one official throws a flag for defensive passenger elite. Say something damn sit him down well I'm not so sure that he's GonNa face the owners I mean face likely facing the competition committee you know who will lead by Jim Henson's thing I get that nobody wants to see six penalties but if you look at those six penalty they're all penalties so are you supposed to say okay awful and more consistent and get things done in a timely basis I think it would but that's really a radical change to add official in his uniforms it's not a fast hey hey clean that's not a foul the defender was going for the ball he's equally equally defenseless and so therefore there's no intent I I would look forward but it's again it's my thing I would look forward to that competition committee into look at the Competition Committee and saying this doesn't work on his radio show today everybody's talking about it that's what everybody's talking about not talking about what a great game this was where that was we're talking about the officiating still so what well I mean I think they've taken steps in their new agreement to saying they're going to hire a VP and training development but I think that it the the most important thing in the same way the first two weeks I mean just doesn't look that way and last night Matt Patricia did not throw a challenge flag for CRA clear passes they're probably talking about where they if they could make this change because I don't think there's anybody that's happy about it I don't think there's anybody that's happy about it and I to me that's a major step but that's a change in structure and I I think that's what they have to look at in the off season right last one for you grant another fisa comes over and says to him Hey you call pass interference but that pass wasn't catchable so then they picked up the flag because assistant coach former Pereira official Larry Rose tell him throw the flag and tell me nation with the broadcast crew though all of us mentioned that exact pass interference call that he challenged that's just one official with a different angle and a different viewpoint that comes in and correct something on the field and that's what the eighth official would do from sky box angel they drop it I don't believe so but they may tighten it up as to what is or what is not interference Mike you the best appreciate the time we'll chat soon you got it got correct got a flag put on the field for passionate ferns against the giants mentioned that specifically because he said he had his calling the backside frontside and the middle and then they had a conference call and now in the last three weeks we're at a pace that's less than holding calls that are less than last year so mm-hmm exactly what is the interference the arm was taken out use this language got it right one of the last ones doc I would say that as the head of a fishy this is not working my guys don't like it on the field nobody likes it we've got to make a change or you can't figure out what what they will do that that affected last night that happened last night and just bring all full circle Bruce Arians in

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REShow: Mike Pereira and Mike OMalley. Hour 3 (05-29-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else you podcasts. And now attorney. This is the rich. Eisen show live from the rich. Eisen show studio in Los Angeles. Baseball cannot throw its hands up and say we're not playing because we couldn't figure out the mind the rich Eisen show earlier on the show. Mlb Network reporter Tom for duty coming up senior. Nba writer for the athletic. David Eldridge Fox. Sports rules analyst. Mike Pereira us from TNT's Snow Piercer. Actor Michael Malley and now you're rich is far lower. The Rich Eisen show her on the air on Friday of this month of. May that we can't wait is over and then we get to June and then hopefully in June. We will see the return of some more sports. We had a David Aldridge on the Last hour talking about how June Could be the the return of the NBA in terms of training for July. David allred DOT COM for on in the first hour program on on Sirius. Xm and also YouTube dot com slash. Rich Eisen show We had them On earlier David and Tom. Talking about the return of baseball looking far further away. I'll just repeat once again here on this show If BASEBALL THROWS ITS HANDS. Up and says we can't do it because of money than a pox on that house and. I know we shouldn't say words like that. I guess in a way In a pandemic but this is exactly the time when they need to put any distrust and mistrust. Assad as it seems They are. They're dealing with that right now. Mike o'malley From Snow Piercer and back in the day as the rick from ESPN Have a good fun. Chat with our our friend from the city of Boston He will be joining us in about eighteen minutes time to talk about his new show on. Tnt But back here on the rich Eisen show To talk about the rules changes that were made in the NFL yesterday and some that were withdrawn and some were tabled as the UH lead Fox rules analyst for their football coverage in my good old friend from back in the day being the NFL. Refs when he was and I was sitting on the NFL network total access that we always had a great chats as we plan to have. Right now Mike Pereira. How are you Mike? Well that's pretty darn good. You know you're still working. I'm catching beautiful. Trout and crane ferry reservoir about thirty five miles from Bend Oregon. Just living the dream the dream when he texted me yesterday saying that you were going to be fishing when we spoke. And I'm like hey you got a good average. She had a nice We had a nice shot of what appears to be what you're doing right now that we're that that that the reception with good sounds like you're sitting right next to me so we're all good. I am and Leo is just reeling. His forts fish. I've taught three already today and It's just it's just thought football rules. Can we do now? We can do that and I greatly appreciate you taking the time to do exactly that. So can you explain to people? What the difference between withdrawing a proposal and what Tabling a proposal actually means because the sky judge got withdrawn and the fourth and fifteen alternative to a one shot from fourth and fifteen hundred twenty-five alternative to an onside kick got tabled. What does all that mean Mike Withdrawn? Then it's gotta be brought up again next year it's basically dead If it's tabled you know. Then they're going to look at a few more things and I think rich. They brought up some good points. You know as they to get you know give teams more of an opportunity to get the ball back if they're behind. I think that you know when you look I the issue with the clock. Could you just run out the clock? If there was two seconds then they said that's not right they said okay. Let's make it a just deadball place or no time would run off the clock and I think that was fair but I. I really do think that it's too much of an opportunity to come back. Because you conceivably could complete one play that game you know forty yards and be in a position where you could kick a field goal to win the game and that. That doesn't sound right. That brings back the old issue of you know the overtime period when you could get the ball in the first drive run a couple of plays kick along field goal when the game so I I really think it needs more Laura thought I personally think it needs to be junked period You know to me you know nonsense. Kick an onside kick. The opportunities to recover are slim down in that range of seven percent. But Hey listen. You're behind so you shouldn't necessarily get a free shot or have it made easier for you to get To get the ball back. But you know they'll take a further look at this but whoever was that Tennyson. Okay wait a minute. Not Fair Not Fair. You could win the game on one play when a normal onside kick the balls dead as soon as it's recovered by the kicking team you know beyond the receivers restraining line so. I think they used good good sense in at least Tabling Matt. So then what would be the fixed if you can? I know you want a junket. There are others who kind of like it and by others That would be me. I kinda dig the idea of of giving one shot of seeing a an actual football players opposed to some sort of a scrum where somebody makes a Boehner hands team play. And then that's the way a game changes are. I wouldn't mind seeing an actual football play. So would it be the distance or for me? The issue would be one penalty flag on the defense. Gives the offense the ball base again? What an automatic first down would come with that play. So then everybody's favorite defensive hold from fourth and fifteen play they give you an automatic first down That drives you know I. It's it's you know there's too many unknowns about the thing I I just you know to me. I get a little worrisome. What would be fixed? Well I guess you could look at it a fix and say that the play could maximum. Take you to the Forty Yard. Line that you you couldn't go beyond that but then that's unrealistic basically the shutdown a play midstream. You know because you get the on the forty yard line but You know we always try to create excitement which I think is great You know to me. The judge proposal is more important Man but yet you know that to me is getting a little bit less discussion as we go forward sill. Let's get to that one Mike Prayer here on the rich Eisen show. It's funny when we saw senior technology advisor being The title that either somebody who. Maybe they're the ones who came up with the Wardrobe Malfunction Concept the other you know many years ago to call I text you Mike. What's a senior technology advisor? You want to respond what your tax was back to me. I. It's this guy. Judge God sakes I like we WANNA WE WANNA call it something different than what the Af called and you WanNa do a different. Do a different way. And when I when I look back at the AF Judge position who put it together hall of Famer Bill Polian and and he did a good job in discussion with those of us. Involved in the League to say let's limit and but limited in Portland to most important aspects. I guess you'd say in the game players safety so that a guy judge not somebody sitting in the replay guth not to replay official. Who has enough to do anyway? Just an eighth official in the booth with a guy to help him run the video and let them get involved in all players safety issues throughout the course of the game and then let them get involved in pass interference in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter. That's what it was in a often to me makes perfect sense player safety if you call it. The officials on the bill call a hit on a defenseless receiver. Because they said there was helmet contact but the video shows that they're not that it's not been the sky judge could call down and pick it up vice versa if he doesn't call it but it is clear helmet-to-helmet contact and if he can put it on. Let's focus on what the league deals. Is the most important thing going forward with the League which is player safety so let's utilize the sky. Judge the eighth official much like the field. Judge the judge and the In the side judge but utilize him for player safety and then let him get involved and pass it appearance of my last five minutes of the fourth quarter. I think it's simple. I think bill put together a good plan and and I. I think you could easily work here and I and I you know I understand Troy Vincent saying that they don't have the pipeline of you know people. Where do you get these people? I think the other simple plan is just make him a part of the crew and official he comes out of the college ranks like everybody else. And Guess What? The deep officials rotate. So you'll be in that position. This guy judge position every third game and into me. Then that college guy gets experienced both on the field and in the booth and And I just think it's. It's the one concept rich. In my opinion that's out there that you're really trying to change officiating if you're really trying to make officiating better and you really trying to get more calls right. Forget about the offside or lined up in the neutral zone or delay game player safety. Pass interference let's go. It'll work if you want to expand later try to expand and then how how does for those who might not have seen the AF. Mike how does it work for because for me? You know my issue always is a flag that you don't see flying in when you're watching it and you know the crew and the truck doesn't light up the yellow flag rectangle In a manner that you use E or you know quickly enough or you're in the stands you're at a game and you don't see the flag thrown certainly so however in the stands Noah flag has been thrown. How will we know when a sky judge chimes in late? That might really rile up. A lot of people understand getting it. Right is better than than not in that would really rile people A. I'm just concerned about the actual mechanics of it and how that would fail the process. Let me just say I let me? Just say this that you know. I think that the the game has gone through so many changes and it looked so different and people get used to it and I think people would get used to this also and I'd have to say that the the call that is either made by the sky judge or picked up by this guy judge. We'll be obvious. It's not something you would hope. That would a incorrectly put on her incorrectly reverse. But you know I I have to tell you it was interesting i. I went back and looked at the championship. Game the broncos at the chiefs in Nineteen Ninety seven. That was my last game and a horrible call that I made in that game or failed to me and I watched the whole game for the first time about three weeks ago and you know I have to say after watching the three hour football game without instant replay. My God it was a thing of beauty I mean and and the interruption that have come into the game now with instant replay. All of the stops whether it's initiated by the the replay official himself or if it's a call that coach challenges there's so many stops but we've gotten used to it and we're not gonNA go back and I I think in the since we're using technology and there are already college conferences. They're all using the. You know the power five conferences all using eight officials. Let's just take the step and see if it works. Look I think it's got a hell of a lot better chance of working than the pass. Interference a screw up last. You're making that reviewable I think this is. It's worth a shot rich. It'll look different and the flag will beat the lay but the referee. He'll make the announcement after input from the sky. Judge there was pass interference on the play number twenty three defense. It's first and ten at the fifteen yard line. Move on go and you know the next day. Probably nothing will be mentioned in the newspaper or the talk show host because it'll become a normal part of the game a few more minutes left with Mike Pereira as he's fishing right here on the rich Eisen show. I'll just give you the floor then on the ultimate question about pass interference no longer being a renewable play that there was a zero point. Zero Full Blue Tar ski shot of that thing being made permanent as the as the rule mandated that they were going to try it for one year and then revisit for permanent instant replay the year that I started on NFL network at that owners meeting at the breakers and Florida so Why why did it fail? Mike was it doomed from the start. Walk me through. That was thirty two ZIP after one week of the season on last year. Quite frankly in the opinion of coaches and everybody that wasn't GonNa Work and look it's simple. I mean there's no way there's absolutely no way that you can make a play a judgment call like replay and attached to different standards to it so you have you WANNA call one way on the field but then if it's get challenged or then you want to call it a different way in replay. So it's pass interference at either is or isn't on the field but when it went to the replay booth and poor our ever on then it was like yeah. It's pass interference. But is it big enough? Is it big enough for us to call and replay? Is it big enough to what compared to what happened in New Orleans? It's it's senseless. It was senseless and it wasn't fair to the poor outrun. And if you WANNA make it work like under the Sky Judge Position Guess when you get into the last five minutes it is either interference or it's not when replay shows that the contact is early. Forget about it just a little bit early but it's early then it's interference so use one standard us one standard and then to me. It has a chance but you know I would also really make it. Be the end of the game. The last five minutes because in that in that championship game in New Orleans there was a big mess in the first quarter. Anybody talking about that. No because it was the first quarter. It's at the end of the game when it has the impact so I do think it can work if you use the same stance and again when you said just to wrap this up. Go full circle here. You said at the beginning when something is withdrawn It's dead you just meant for the current season tabled means that it could actually mean It could actually come into being for the upcoming season. Withdrawn means that she needs to be starting from scratch the next year. Exactly okay. So Do you think that. There's a shot at USC. You sound very I mean you sound bullish on the Sky Judge Mike Certainly Cam I am this game. Getting harder and harder to officiate and the officials themselves might not say well. We don't want it. Well I know they say that a lot but the fact is this game. Two players are getting faster in more. I mean it is a very tough game to officiate. And who gets all the criticism the official so give them a tool to get the major calls right and use another official don't use instant replay. Don't use the replay official. Let's just let's just hand them in a different age so that they can basically their overall performance Including their eighth official. This guy judge really improved mandated. Ask you before you hang up. What was the the call that you blue or you didn't make from years ago. Oh my God simple. It was my one and only playoff game actually because I win the opposite after my second year but the most the simple is illegal contact called in the world down out to macabbi actually ran out and up and he got chucked it ten yards elway still in the pocket and and I'm the side judge to make the call and I froze. I swallowed the olive. I chill whatever you WANNA call it. You know I it was. It was awful and I'll never forget it and Mike Shanahan still talks to me about that. Come on now. I did come out and he does. He does and and you know. Here's the deal at the end of the game toward the end game in the fourth quarter and a fourth down pass into the end song Tony Gonzales went up and was hit and he landed inbounds out of bounds. It was so tough. Was it a four out? Was it not what hit burst out of bounds? And of course it fell on my shoulders. And so I hit it up relief. Incomplete so they turned over the ball and Denver won the game and I'm actually was right on that one and so I remind Mike. About right when he tells me. Oh yeah that's right. That was the great call and of course you know we won the Super Bowl and then I always say well. Then where's my Dan Ring? Call right I should get a super bowl ring for guys. So so if if Shannon channel long he's got a long memory is about to say so when you're the head of NFL REPS and he's coming at you about something that was current. Did he ever remind you that you screwed that one up? Just like what he was accused. This time. You're right before you hung up. Yes he would remind me of that. Take Yourself Mike go go go catch your fish go. You gotta hope they keep by. That's Mike Mike Pereira He. I remember a couple years where he would he would. He was when we first started. Nfl Network and he would do his official review. I remember we would do it on Mondays. Remember do it like fresh right out of the box and then a couple years later he started doing it like on a Wednesday and the reason why is because because it was new. It was totally new putting the head of. Nfl refs on NFL network. That was when I was one of one of our earliest great. Like I and talk about access stuff that you couldn't see anywhere else. The biggest controversial calls. We would talk about it with Mike Pereira and we started on Monday. And then we wednesdays because I heard it was a almost immediate non starter for all the coaches who wanted to call and get a piece of Mike. Pereira to be told he's recording with NFL network right now. That was not an acceptable answer to some of the people who wanted a pound of Herrera's Flesh. So he would spend the first two days of the Week. Administering the back and forth that coaches demanded of him then once that was all put to bed coaches. Now we're going to move and turn the page on to the next week Mike would then show up on Wednesdays and then and then one year After the Super Bowl in Seattle with Seattle and Pittsburgh he went on vacation and we did it the following week and our remember Matthew Hasselbeck seeing me at the pro bowl after they lost you to Pittsburgh where was Pereira he f- he called us the NFL's network because we wouldn't talk about it because it was the super bowl on like he's on vacation man. We did it a following week later then. I asked him all about that stuff. Mike o'malley of Snow Piercer. My Buddy Mike o'malley from back in the day. The Rick will join us so that is not a real photograph of Mike Pereira Fish. I asked me. That's a photoshop. Look very real to weed holding up a I. Don't I don't work out. What a Rainbow Trout Rainbow? It looks for looks pretty that because reservoir is right I mean that was like really good the only millions the only the only Fitch Mitch you got me. I I I I've gone. I did go fishing once I think in Lake Shasta up in northern California. Because you know that's what mean when I did my local. Tv UP IN CALIFORNIA. I went fishing panned for gold. I've actually done that in life. You don't seem impressed by that. Chris I have you ever panned for gold or you're not paying attention. I HAVE PAN for gold and I've caught many fish the pan for gold. Yeah we're in Skagway Alaska the birthplace of the Alaskan gold rush boy and here I am northern California thinking. I was just like call him. You just call Mark Kelly on me when I When we lived in Alaska The second time we took a field trip and like the fourth or fifth grade up the skagway and you and you go I'm pretty sure it's all been panned out by then I got a few. No I got a few flakes. Wake No. I'm not saying like it was deadwood. No it was cool. We had these like cool pans and they taught us how to put the water in and kind of sifted around. Yeah I can say I never have panned for gold. I've Pan for gold done how I must fly. Fishing and in Lake Shasta was on a on a houseboat GESTA. That's my outdoors career. Yeah we will ask. We had a boat. We would go fishing like every weekend tonight. Got My dad and his friend would go on the weekend. Excursions is fun so phone. Number's eight four four zero four rich. Here's our role. when the NBC s N. audience rejoins us. Mike o'malley will be on the phone line and I haven't spoken him in quite some time. And then then we'll take your calls and head into the weekend at eight four four two zero four rich set up the rest of the week as well Here on the show. Update the poll question real quick. Not Really I mean just disrespect for Carmelo Anthony. That's going on right now Yes so who's career would rather have vince. Carter Komo Anthony. Who's his thirty sixth birthday today? Eighty one percent one happen. What happened I I mean I guess like in Game Dunking is cool. I suppose rather than being you know the greatest basketball player ever one of the most clutch shooters of all time ten time all star scoring champ. Sorry it's turned out that way for you. I get it I mean. He's a New York. Knick he's short he's my guy please please. We're back with Mike o'malley in a second here. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico DOT COM. Today that's GEICO DOT COM G. I. C. O. DOT COM to this Friday program on the rich Eisen Show live on NBC Sirius Xm Channel to eleven our youtube page. Please subscribe to it. If you already haven't youtube dot com slash rich Eisen. Show our streamed all the time The Stars of Snow Piercers v. Digs was on last week Jennifer Connelly and this man my buddy from back in the day Got To meet him years ago on the at Sp's I believe in on ESPN when he was the rick. Now he is a writer producer. Show runner and actor. Extraordinary Mike. O'malley back here on the show. How are you Michael Rich? Eisen great talking to you today man so happy to be with you doing all right. I'm surviving you know. I'm home with three teenagers. Lockdown mode still so We got a seventeen year old. You got a fifteen year old girl. Thirteen year old. So it's It's insane I I miss the Youth Sports. I do anything to sit in the stands that this affects to some dad. I wanted to punch in the throat. Talk about but I never thought I'd miss that. I miss it now. You never thought you'd miss the parents who make life miserable for youth sports but that is the way that the world is turning right now. Mike how did you get? How did you first get involved in a again? You're big on youth sports here and baseball for sure about teaching kids the game and the love of the game. When did you? How'd you get involved in that year's Schmuck Amish mock rich Schmuck who believes that the dad had be around their sons is out and have a good relationship with them and I like any mcdaddy suckered into it by some guy who made it seem like it was a great thing and then next thing I know I was doing it and You know like I said any any time you can leave a youth Jim Or youth Sports field and not have got into a fistfight with somebody. I think is is a great day. That's the victory for me. It's not about teaching kids the love of the game realizing how much we're really on you know on the on the brink of You know war at any time because that rage within us to have to sit next people who don't know what they're talking about. You know Mike. One Year I've I've mentioned here on the show I don't know if you were. That was why we had you call in once but I think it was with with with. I wasn't this particular but the Youth League that you know that you are associated with here. My son plays and He he had a manager. Who would set the lineup? Based on at when the Kate arrived. So if you want your kid relate if you brought your kid late he would like tenth in the order and then have to wait maybe like three innings to hit so for the final game. I'm like for well which by the way wasn't very fared to parents would like to other kids in Sunday. Just scenario we my wife and I we were determined. We're GONNA GET OUR SON to the game on time for the last game for the last game of the year and sure enough. We got him in the top of the order and he gets up there and another fellow eight year old hits them in the chops and the and he goes right down and so. I go out on the field to make sure he's okay because he never says a word whenever he gets hurt and this time he was beginning to cry and the Umpire told him to take his base Mike. The Umpire told him to take his base and I started telling them partly. No no no. We've been waiting a week for my son to hit. We got my son here on time. You have no idea what the hell is happening in my house today and I was suddenly with everybody watching. I was that dad going to an umpire. Who's giving his time for this whole rich? I was there for a moment Mike. You're allowed to be that guy. This is the thing rich when your kid thing sports that I've figured out. Is that when you catch strikes out or they make an error or you know the opposite. They get a hit. It's all primal when you think to yourself. Oh my God my name. Never go on this person's never gonNA meet a girl fall in. Love have children because he can't succeed. This is primal. This is it's just you know. We've we've taken to to to things like sports but own English rich. I'm sorry that happened as the former president of that league. I hope that that league mostly brought you joy very much and we miss it right now. You Miss It. I mean so many so many Young men and women in Youth Sports obviously also high school spring sports. Being canceled right now. It has been very very difficult that people waiting for their senior years for their spring sports before they graduate. It's it's been brutal you know and you know. I think one of the things that the kids don't realize you realize it is grown up in ever whatever you drive your kid to a practice and you know they kind of got tired. I WANNA go. I get so much homework and then if you were to cut to the drive home when they're in a great mood it's because you know that That energy that they have from you know exercising and being with their friends and joking around and laughing. It's just like when you know when you go to work. You Never WanNa go do it. You always feel better after you did it. And I think that they're not able to make that connection. Necessarily that's the difficult thing is. I mean if all of us come on and every single kid of you know depressed just went by Wok in side not being able to you know exercise and be with their friends. I mean that's a win. You know Mike o'malley here on the rich. Eisen show Are you going to root for Brady and Tampa Mike were yes? Of course I'm gonNA root for Tampa. He's look he's dead. Tom Brady is brought a all. New England fans and and most football fans tremendous joy in terms of how he performed. A lot of people. Don't like him because he won a lot of super bowls and and beat their teams. But I mean as a guy who know rooted for the Patriots all growing up and then got to be right around the two thousand and started to really take off. This guy is no br brought so much joy family and and So I root for him. I listen now. I root from an old guy. You know as a fifty-three-year-old his krant. Yeah it's funny most Patriots fans that I know and that includes the my friend Chris Brockman across the way here Who You met when when you've been around is that Is that Brady going? Tampa was just like okay. You were kind of kind of expecting Tom to not not return. Even those who might have held out for thinking he would never leave but gronk going to. That's the issue that that's that's the one thing that Glock comes back and he's going to join Tom there and at the reunion happens. They're not a new England. That's the tough swallowed to to take right there. It is but I think that You know I think that Rob Gronkowski. I really think that he was not thinking about going back in and and playing. I really do think that he was retiring. I I would love to know you know. I talked to find out what the inside story was. I mean The one of the reasons he's gone Tampa and course correct me. If I'm wrong is that they don't think that he's GonNa have to do as much blocking as he was going to have to do. In the in the Patriots offense is that a is that a real reason. You think which I don't think so I just think that He wasn't feeling physically up to it or wasn't physically mentally up for being Going through the you know the the rigors of a season where everybody's aiming for his knees and below or his waist to his knees and go through another Bella check crucible. I don't think he was up for that now that he's feeling a little bit better. He misses the game he sought and TB twelve. Calls him up and says how about you. Come with me down to Florida Like everybody retires. He spent some time in Florida. But you with me and with areas and and and off we go. I think the answer was thousand percent. Yes that's what I. Yeah I we were interested. I'm I'm writing so in addition to acting and I am doing this new show. Snow peers served on Sunday night on. Tnt at at nine o'clock but I'm also writing in running the show. I'd written on shameless for a bunch of years and then Got More into the writing and now I'm running a show that's going to be done in Atlanta the James Harrison. We just cast to former Nfl players in this show. Okay Miles birth and James Harrison. And they're both playing wrestler in the show. It's about an independent wrestling promotion in Atlanta not in Atlanta in Georgia. And the show starring Stephen a Mallon Alexander Ludwig. We're just stoked while here's the thing James Harrison is when when you pay him you need to pay him in cash in an envelope. Will you do that for everybody? I will do that. I listen I was apparently what he's used to on occasion. If you follow Games instagram. You know that he works out quite a bit. I'm not going across. James Harris. No understood understood so so again the manor on occasion. Apparently there's an envelope painting Tim Cash could be. He's got to report it to the. Irs that's all I care about. I just want I want the road to be paved GONNA want the military to be able to be funded. That's all there you go Mike o'malley and before we do turn to Snow Pearson a little bit era Let's linger a little bit more on your writing creating show running abilities and what you did With Lebron James and Maverick Carter. I stars survivor's remorse did you. Did you actually sit down and work with Lebron or vice versa? At any point in time during this process I mean well I mean you say what what what I did for them. It's more what they did for me what you know. So you know. Maverick Carter who? I met Through Tom Warner I. Tom Is of course that one of the red SOx owner Liverpool soccer. May you know made his name producing television shows and I had written some stuff for him. That didn't go when he introduced me to Lebron Maverick and he said would you be interested in in writing and developing this idea. This premise that they have on what it's like to grow up in a place where you're your struggle. You come from nothing in an and then you you have success and yet all the people that you love and you cared about and you grew up in are still stuck in that place so That's where the notion of survivors more came from. Which is you know maverick. Carter is the bronze business partner. He's the one who introduced me to that phrase. I had heard of you know survivor's guilt in in something. That happens when you know a ship. Wrecker Plane Crash Live. Someone else is you. Don't know why but attaching this idea this concept to growing up in the projects and getting out and then feeling obligation to continuously throw life preservers to other people who are still there. What's different about that scenario? Is that those folks They're still there. They haven't perished. You can help them with a car. Payment with a health insurance payment with alone and it never stops and Especially if big hearted like Lebron Maverick are and so they came to me. I I wrote this show. I went down. I flew down to Miami and actually did a table. Read of the show with Agron and Maverick and And Randy on a couple of there. I think his wife's van or read a role it was. It was a real trip to be down there. Reading the script with those guys but What what I loved about working with Ron. Abbott is that they said if it's happening in the world did happen on this show and so on survivor is more than we did. Four Seasons on stars and Lebron was in an episode. Maverick was you know really involve as executive producer You Know Lebron couple times. It was great but they were very very supportive of everyone. And you know to have that kind of support. That wind at your back was a great thing for me. As a as an emerging writer. That's a look man. And obviously maverick Carter and Lebron James or are huge Obviously in their own right in their own worlds and then to to enter with you and yours and it's interesting you got you got to introduce them from by Tom. Werner owner of the Red Sox Often breaking any news to you. The reason why. Mookie Betts is a dodger. Is I think mookie. All of Tom's Roseanne money as every penny of his Roseanne money and all of John. Henry's investment dollars. It's suddenly. He's now a dodger. I think that's what he wants to like. Why are we doing on? He hasn't played. He has played game. Dodger yeah okay. Ever play games the talk. I Dunno Mike. I think that's ship sailed brother. I think that ship has sailed and Mook. He's not coming back now. He's not walking through that door. Mookie Betts and not walking through that door season this year though. He can still go back. Okay it ain't no please. You guys played this season. I do I think you know we've been talking about it quite a bit on this. Show Mike I just think that baseball at some points going to look at each other and say what the Hell Are we doing here? I know you don't trust me. I know I don't trust you. I know we have a level of mistrust and distrust. That's that that's difficult to bridge. But we're going to figure this thing out because the last thing we're going to do with everybody trying to come back to play in pandemic is throw our hands up over economics that I think is just kind ruled today at some point. Yeah and I think you know man man what I just love to have a game every day. I mean it's just so wonderful. You know baseball just every day. There's a new story and got I miss it so much. In the meantime congrats on the success of snow. Piercer already picked up for a second season. Good to see you back on the screen to brother in front of it. It's been awesome and you know anytime anyone offers you apart where you get to stand next to Jennifer. Colley things happen okay. Two things happen first thing the first thing. If you're a red blooded American male which I am you say yes I'll be there. I've wanted to be standing there. Thirty years suggest the sad thing the sad thing. What happens when you're there? Yes and the actual photos come back in the forties comes back. You can't believe how hideous you look really. I mean it's like it's like being Ghalem in Lord of the rings a there's like a promotional photo for standing next to her and I thought to myself you know what I'm just like if you do what you can you work with what you can rich. I know you look into various the you know what I may not be host a handsome creature. But I'm looking okay. Then you go to work and you wish somebody had said to you. Were terrible your terrible. You ill you just. What is it you meet? I understand how people go get plastic surgery because you stand Jennifer colley. Who's like a model? She stunning booking. Yes he stunningly nice person and she's massively talented and I'm like rack next to tell you where we're looking at you right now. Devito is also a handsome man. It's putting talented as well had. But you've got you've got a nice suit. Your beard is trimmed Mike so I'm GonNa Great. I'm a great stage in my life. Rich this is why okay. There's so many the the the the great villains now get to be this great senators and Congressmen and people and and people that I can play for the rest of my life. That are just You know little bit overweight. Little Bit I can't even say thinning the hair. I mean no hair. It's just we we we get to be those people that had a different aspect to Other people's attractiveness you stay X. To me your stunningly attractive. And that's the that's what I bring to projects now. Hey Mike let's just a wrap it up with the old caddyshack line. You're a tremendous slouch. Don't worry you're a tremendous tremendous. Well Rich I look forward to get your kid at the top of the lineup. Back in the at the mighty mighty will will she warriors grinding i. I was told this morning that I've taken over a hosting job but you did about eighteen years ago. You hosted hot stove COOL MUSIC FOR PETER. Gammons back in Boston long time ago all night long time ago. That's and by the Way Peter. Gammons can shred by the way. He's a great guitar can try ban boy. That's when you are the rick when I used it why do it came real? So they pass the baton to me. Because you're you're smart and you're you're in Los Angeles but we have We actually have an event on January eighteenth at him and Theo Epstein For their foundation to meet name later they're going to do a bit Online so we were talking about you. This morning is compelling radio. Let's up good brother. You're you're you're you're blast avenue around and again congrats on. Snow piercer again nine eastern on TNT on Sunday nights. Thanks the time you'd be we'll be in touch back catching that's Michael Mallon. By way he truly is one of the more sought after guys. If you want to launch a show you WANNA ride it you WANNA produced in certain way. That's the guy. There's a lot of people who would knock on his door in this town and now the Rick East. He's given James Harrison a paycheck. That is amazing. Those written that was just teed right up back with your phone calls to wrap up the week and this Friday man. Mookie wanted all time Warner's Roseanne money but by the way not only The the new but the original all of his new integrator should gave him rugby's back in Australia. Russia is that right. Yep that's roll man. So how about that? David Aldridge called it a virtual certainty that they're going to give it a try with the NBA K. July. Maybe not a single. There's not a single person in the NFL. That I talked to like. I don't know we'll talk to you. We're not you know. Even yesterday. Both Mike Zimmer in any read Roy were football coaches. I mean. They're playing Phil. There's not there's not a single one that's saying right. Now it's all with the undercurrent of we don't know what the virus is. GonNa look like. It's five months but where we're we're we're going to give it a try. Baseball's got thank God. They signed that and I know I shouldn't say this like this because I know there's a ton of NFL players who I respect immensely. Who thought they should not have signed it but now may I'm wondering if a lot of them are be like. I'm glad we signed that. Now that the pandemic and Covid nineteen head and the finances are all over the place right now that at least they signed something with certainty. So we're all we're all for certainty in the most uncertain times of our lifetimes. We may never live another year more uncertain right now. What's happening at two forty four eastern time twenty three twenty four twenty five seconds right about this this morning like when my son is old enough to eventually ask me about what was going on when I was born right? What do I tell him? I that in those times you did your best to represent him and your family name by working and going on the rich. Eisen show and saying he didn't want to go to space because you'd be bored literally. That's what you should tell you. What what event do I start with? The SPACEX launch that. You were totally totally in curious about in second to me. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico DOT COM. Today that's Geiko DOT COM G. I. C. O. DOT COM. It was a blast watching. What was it like playing Payton? Great see Tom and I have watched them fill entire who they're saying wanted to bring his three. Us Open trophies with him in the car in the parking lot and has anyone at him carry on. And then we're going to ask you wanted the other. I got scrapped so I had a couple of more time guitar tiger but when the golf didn't start out so well we kind of call an Omaha. Just didn't feel that was appropriate that I heard you talking about Tyson. Holyfield fight the one where he blows. And what's your recollection areas night in my sports activity ever in my life. Believe what I was seeing you know. They stopped that fight a couple of times before. I think he was biting before. Yes when he spits out I was close enough to say what what is he eating. Just look you spit out his gum com. That's low. Let's let's Lo I can't believe you wouldn't WanNa go into space. What do you do when you get there? I WanNa go to the moon. What do you mean? What do you do when you get out of every possible reason to not going to space? Fear of boredom is the top of your list after thirty seconds of being like. Wow that's the earth that's cool then. What van what. Then what? What look the job? Chris is this astronaut. Mark Kelly on the rich Eisen. Show it Greg. I four in the space between two thousand one and twenty eleven built a million town not one second of four dom he would love every and be honest with you. We on our show really got a big kick out of your setup at home. There's a stairmaster there right behind him. Okay also did for myself linter not I get on that thing and talks to me. We have a relationship. What does it say? What does it say the last fifteen minutes? It's not good really talks dirty community. It's terrible I can't say that on on radio here now the fun week here and done serious and Youtube I gotta be honest with you again. We're five and a half years into the history of this show. Chris and I think new top five moment is flexing with captain. Mark Kelly. Yeah to refute your notion that going to space is not after thirty seconds. Something you'd Really WanNa Endeavor because what I what are you GonNa do. Are you GONNA fill your bill your tires? They built a space station getting him to refute. That really was an an excellent flex on my part and then him flexing when he comes on I was like well am my four missions and one hundred space all my God mean. We took thousands of pounds of space. Okay we got oh man. That was really pretty funny every watch does you know the funniest thing he said though was that the world was round. Did you knows through round the world. Well I think he was talking to Kyrie Irving right there. Career having the world's the flatter there's TJ social media. Grandma's Jefferson chomping. And Right. They're very good. F The disembodied voice of of our of our Social Media. Gran maistre and a great job as always TJ on our on our our instagram feed. Check it out at richeisenshow. It's he he is curing all weekend. Long it's amazing especially when they're sports on the weekend to you know let's go to Orlando Florida where we could actually have an NBA season. What's up Dale Rich Two quick things could just on. Espn nurse showing like history of this is ESPN. That I watched the other day in your commercials. Obviously in there. Yes I thought question. You're coming out of his stalling. Here you flush and then you come out with your hands you know. You're touching on a sore subject. Dale Dell Dell. Are you doing this to mess with me? Have you seen we talk about this before you really wondering about Noah to tell the story quick? Well what's your other sub thing you got on your mind about Roy. Halladay of specialty. Yup You allowed me to call in the day after the plane crash and I got very upset. Big Fan of his perfect game. Ten years ago in Miami and Just this Dang is a little tough thinking about how happy I was then and how it ended for him. Well if it's tough than Than enjoy the story. I'm about to tell then Dale because you brought it up and I will be watching that The DOC Holliday stuff. Tonight for All right. Here's the story come on. Here's the story that make sure you follow up with the Yankees Day. I will tell whole thing so the sportscenter commercial you referring to Dale is me. Stuart Scott is washing his hands and he's just as if he's just finished going to the bathroom. Ras using the bathroom to wash his hands. You hear a flush I come walking out of a stall. You hear another flush out a jockey walks you hear third flush and a horse walks behind. Stewart. Who kind of makes this look like. That's strange and brisk goes back to his business of washing his hands so I said to the director. Look I don't feel like I have an ego but one thing I must do in this commercial is I'm must if I am coming out of the stall. I must also wash my hands before leaving. The frame have to do it and the director goes. I understand what your problem is but for the commercial to work in the amount of time that we have we cannot. Have you walk up? Wash your hands and leave. You just have to believe the frame. I am like you have no idea. What SORT OF CRAP? I'm going to hear if I come across somebody without that sense of hygiene no pun intended about the crap that I'm going to hear all right so then the sound Guy Mike. Your one of your colleagues walks up to me and he goes look. The most important thing is really we both know is that your hands are clean before you go into the can and I say to him. What the hell does that mean done to this? Nobody's GonNa look at this and go you know so. I decided to put my hands in my pockets when I left the stall so people will understand in some form of protests. But I've been forced to do this. Dale cut to commercial airs mayor weeks later. I'm on the field at Yankee Stadium prior to a world series game for ESPN radio and somebody screams out. Hey I said why you wash your hands when you go to the CAN. That happened and here you call the late. May Twenty twenty commercials all the gin joints I did for. Espn you walk into that one. Well I thought it was odyssey new. Thank you dale. That's what we call a walk very phenomenal those. This is sportscenter. Commercials we coordinate. I recorded that. I haven't had time to watch it but I guess somebody a friend of mine said that they have the Kerri strug commercial. Did they run that one? 'cause it's versus one ever did. I was there for about two weeks and I remember when I walked when I when I got there. They were shooting The don't walk commercial. The don't walk commercial. You remember the the hands across America sort of mocking commercial that. They did where they they sang. Don't walk you remember that I don't know I have to look at that one now where you know. Oh the song song I got it. Yep kilborn was all over that and I thought they'll never put me in a commercial but they did which was Kerri. Strug fresh off of the ninety six Olympics being carried off by Bela Karolyi and she got she got her mom was was on the set and she. I don't think he was very happy that her daughter is passed off from one guy to the next so I think I forget I received Kerri strug from Kief and handed her off to Larry. Beal or Carl ravaged the ultimate gag was she was eventually passed off to the Michigan State Spartan Mascot the commercial this don't Walk Commercials. Really Fun. It's great it's great little pennies in this very funny more the Marlin Gary Miller but the one I get all the time was the Louvre commercial. Where you know. It's a commercial break. And he comes in. He's like my corner man and just cut me. Cut Me Lou and you know. Just give him some tea. Give them some tea and I extend my pinky which was an ad Lib my part and I just say you know. The teleprompters moved to fast. I can't keep up. Which was which was the script and They said to Louvre. Just work him over. Like you're working somebody in the corner and he would slap me. Hillary did slapped me. But the beeps that you hear in the commercial are because he would not because he was doing his thing he could not could not would not could not deliver enough safe for Work Language. Genaro for them to use even five seconds without having a belief out though good memory lane strolled. End this week off man. We'd thank everybody for joining today. Tom Verduci David Aldridge. Mike Pereira and Michael Malian you especially. I know the world feels like it's spinning off its axis if there's any way that we could help with that by putting it back on the access access than them. We'll be here for you. We'll be here for you Monday. I hope that the weekend is happy. Healthy and safe and that justice and peace are found eight four four two zero. Four rich will chat with you on Monday. Hey Hey hey this. Nfl Hall of Famer Rate Lewis. I'm excited to announce the launch of my new podcast every day. Crignis Ray Lewis podcast. I'll be talking with friends. Family members ole teammates athletes celebrities moguls. And guess what I'll be talking to you. Listen this is all in the search for everyday greatness. So I'm asking you to come along with me on this ride down. Low new episodes of everyday greatness. Ray Lewis podcast every Friday on spotify. Aw Apple podcasts. Pot has one dot com. It's not what you have. It's what's inside that actually inspires greatness.

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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one sports net reduction available on Apple podcast and podcast one. It's the greatest time of the year. You're in sports. Nfl College football MLB NBA NHL. What else can a sports fan as for? All the action you want is every day at fun place and one place only online dot. Ag Sign up today for a free account at online DOT AG. Use Promo Code podcast. One for your fifty percent or not welcome. Bonus don't sit on the sidelines anymore. Get in on all this incredible Actionaid Bet online dot. Ag That's Bet online dot ag your online sportsbook experts hour number. Three of the rich Eisen show is on on the air I just broke down the way that the bills and the Texans literally broke down in the last two minutes plus of their relation of the first wildcard game of the week and putting the wild and wild card to say the least Eight four four zero four rich number two. We'll take your phone calls in the middle of this hour. We're GONNA take the call of Mike Pereira to finish the our former head of NFL NFL rafts. Now the lead Analyst of rules analyst of Fox and the NFL on Fox. I mean. There's so much to talk about here. The illegal blindside side block that hobbled the bills attempt at Trying to win the game in overtime. That's something to talk about. Also oh how in the world does the head referee the top official on the field and Tony Karenni Rule De'andre Carter flipping the ball all to him clearly. Having no intention of running the ball back deep in the end zone touchback just walking the ball towards him in flipping the bottom. How does he interpret? That is anything other than he has. No intention of running the ball out. And he rules it a fumble and recovery for a touchdown for the bills and then we find out that is the actual correct interpretation of the rule but officials who are there on the sideline part of the officiating group. Say Hey man. Let's just have common sense here. He's clearly not running it out. Okay after further review. It's a touchback bills. Fans want answers on that saints fans want an answer on why that wouldn't be instant Pass interference on Carl Rudolph. At the end of the game. The game winning touchdown touchdown in in New Orleans Troy Aikman our number one call that he would say that's pass interference and I'll tell you what that's exactly the type of play that L. River on the current head of NFL refs told all of us in the media that that would no doubt be reviewed. Doesn't matter what time of game it is. What game it is? That's GONNA be reviewed and and and I'm I'm sure that I saw stuff that he showed all of us at the NFL network media symposium over the summer that would be ruled offensive pass interference through replay replay no flag on the field one would be instituted through replay. That's exactly it looked exactly like what Kyle Rudolph did the cloudy hit on Carson Carson Wentz. How does that not get a flag in college football even without a flag they would've buzzed down and say let's take a look at targeting climate in thrown out of the game? My two cents. That's on that that's obviously not something going on In the NFL these days or should that be instituted. Should we buzzing from Park Avenue in the same way the college football buzzes in Saint. Hey I think we saw something that wasn't called on the field. That should be head to head helmet. Fifteen yard contact or potentially essentially objectionable and if we have time with Pereira because a lot of this stuff there's be back and forth as I always like to have it with Mike. We gotta hit. How about my grateful using the same clock shenanigans that belichick used on the jets? Jets midseason talking about a loophole that needs to be closed where you can certainly take false starts with a running clock a punt formation and bleed the clock down as much as you possibly want until five minutes to go then. You can't pull that anymore. Burned over two minutes in the same way that the NBA used to have those hacker De'andre rules outside of the final two minutes of a quarter until they they closed that loophole right then they basically Khalid so yeah it's just a bad look for the NFL would happen. I mean but Bella checks going nuts on. The New England sideline thinking that it should be ruled somehow unsportsmanlike conduct docked. And it sure looks like it's the same thing that Bella check used on the jets earlier in the season right looked like it looks like it. So the young Jedi in able at chewed up over two minutes. Derrick Henry how amazing was he the other night and so many people are surprised. Hey Hey right before the half. They took the lead fourteen thirteen. They kept running. When you've got you know usually throw it to get points before the end of the half when a two minute drill not on your big play offense offenses and running back now on a guy who can derrick? Henry concern three yards into thirty and he can turn a sixty yard game in two hundred yard game. Unlike anything we've seen right and Tannehill did not only to make the one throw on third down late in the game had seventy one yard and when we first came on the air on the NFL network in two thousand and three they just just split up the day just realized the divisions the year before in two thousand two when they came up with the eight divisions right we just come on the air and it was the first I think it was the first full year of a real division. Two thousand three season man. That's when the titans and the Ravens used to go out in the AFC central man. I know now F C central you think a browns and steelers and bengals back in the day but towards the very end of the AFC central the ravens came into being in the Ravens. First rivalry was with the titans in. Eddie Eddie George will be staring down. Ray Lewis vice versa. We're going to get any Georgia in the show this week. He's the first person I thought of when Titans v Ravens hit. I texted him. I'm like dude I gotta get you on. He's GonNa GonNA come on. We just got to figure out the day to the first year on your man used to be Titans Ravens every year man every year Okay let's get Chris Brockman news update brought to you as always by our friends at Honda. Go for Christ the report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment someone who is not a journalist or news man by any definition of the word whatsoever. Chris Brockman brought to you by the Honda. Hr V. Stupendous Lee Stylish available with all wheel drive the HIV's ready to team up for your next adventure so hurry to your local Honda dealer today. Christopher your top story from this morning Cowboys GonNa Hire Mike McCarthy. As their new head coach former packers coach one hundred twenty five seventy seven and two who in his career ten and eight in the postseason from ESPN just moments ago. Todd Archer McCarthy going to get a five year contract Jason Jason Garrett's. Last deal is five years. Thirty million so McCarthy was making more than that in his final years with the packers so look for five years upwards of six million dollars per season for the the old toll taker from Pittsburgh. Pa Man made good. Edward are also saying how he asked a team source with. The cowboys needed their next head coach to provide that was lacking under Jason Garrett. His source told him three critical items. Fear Accountability Woody and disciplined. I just don't understand why it took a week. Why couldn't they just come out last Sunday and say we're done and just like every other team what was going on what was happening? Begging glazes reported another glazes report because again. I'm I'm in the middle of a four hour show show or our half on Saturday yours funny we had curt Menefee here on Friday show and I had a lot of fun with him. Based on that text exchange and Mike to Rico sparked and so We were texting back and forth some colleague of ours. Jerry Madel on Put us together together on a text exchange and he's like hey great segment with you guys enjoyed it and You know have a good weekend and I'm like well since I'm the only one on this text chain whose wow couldn't let Saturday show damn I did it again. He didn't let it go but glazes report during for yesterday was that Garrett was trying to lobby for his job still. Yeah so if you need if you love the guy so much. Don't you set them free. I mean I would love to know what was that ninety hour period before Edward or on Thursday night came out with an oddly if unofficial official report from Dallas was a Dan Hansie's who tweeted out. I can't wait for the five thousand words. Seth worker awesome piece about last week in a sense. Yeah yeah well. That last week was a story to be found. And I'd love to know but for the moment Mike McCarthy move. We'll see how it works. I want you went old school. You went Green Bay when a guy who's won a championship and you're building. I guess Randall Cobb stays. That's what that means. I don't know I I mean we'll see what happens okay. Another thing we're going to be waiting on for quite some time here. Probably the next couple of months Tom. Brady's future with the New England patriots. They lost on Saturday. Of course Tennessee. Bill Belichick had his exit meeting with the media. Yesterday in Foxborough had this to say about Brady's possible awesome future of bill obviously given top raise age. There's been a lot of talk about his future. Do you have a timeline in your mind. And you'd like to sit down and do you have Would you like to get clarity on his situation. Lifetime New League year starts. I'm honestly look I mean I know it's out there just like a lot of the things out there. I mean we could bring up fifty questions just like that one and I told you what my state state is on that and so you can ask all fifty of them and it's going to be the same answer fifty times been. We've been working on Tennessee. It's twelve hours after the game. Not We're GONNA talk a lot of things about the future because it's not not prepared to talk about fifty questions. I'm sure you can name. Fifty guys fifty coaches. I mean there's plenty of you can talk about anything you want. But in the future. And they're all questions that need to be answered at some point in time by Organization on myself by the coaching staff by some of the players but those are collective decisions that are not made by one person who collectively and there's a lot of time a thought and effort and communication the indication that goes into the and now's not the time licorice that I have just one one. Tom Says he wants to come back and play. And then the same the answer that I gave you a again. There's here the moving parts moving parts. Tom Some are KK. Robert K kraft. Bill I know you say that because he wanted to go Garoppolo. It's a different story now. This this is now going to be a forty three year. Old Three Two different story. And they don't have they. Don't have Garoppolo there. Jared Garoppolos not walking through the door. Jared stems not that Guy Code Kesslers not that guy. No the question is with New England. Drafting acting as high as twenty three. Everybody that's a rarity can they. Would they move up. Would they be the one to call Bob Quinn and Patricia and the and the lines and say we're going to give you are I I this year and we'll give you our. Are you know first next which is again. This is whacky stuff. They don't usually do this stuff and he he because he sat down and with. NFL films for that. Hbo Doc About Him and saving and he knows all about two and is that and he does it emigrate right and then you go ahead and do it. And that's the way you handle it. But that's April when you want to talk about the mechanics of this. The new league year has been pushed back usually. It's the first week of March. They pushed back to the eighteenth. Oh is the final day. The of the two thousand Nineteen League year his contract voids after the final so boom free agency heads and if he does not if he's not signed going into free agency he carries a thirteen and a half million dollar cap charging twenty twenty. If he's not resigned for New England. Yeah so this is what I mean by. He has the Hammer. Amer like if if you don't sign them it's going to cost you all that stuff. Now they trade them. That's how much it is too. So when he says I WANNA keep playing that as a hammer and the question is you know who would want him and what what would what do you get back and and you have to make these decisions Asian. Certainly if you know Bella check sits down says I got five years to go here. Tom Might be a good bridge quarterback. It's amazing I think that but if he does have two years left if you only WANNA play two years if your quarterback saying I want play two years no matter what your age is your bridge quarterback because you got to okay. We'll play you do but we we know who's after you right. So could it be the bridge quarterback for the chargers would philly live Goto a new England. I mean there's so much speculation and rumor and Innuendo and crazy and it's again it's up to tom this. Would Tom WanNA PLANO JERSEY. And if so where where would he and his family would be happy being. Because that's a very big consideration. That's why bills like to go in the lock. Going on crazy men are. Let's hear from to announce this morning Alabama quarterback that he is GonNa Forego his senior year and enter the twenty twenty NFL draft. Here's that announcement. And then he also talked about how his hip is doing. My love for the University of Alabama are our coaches are fans and my teammates has made this especially hard for me. I've had the advice and counsel my parents my family and coaches and going through you a thorough analysis of the of the alternatives and without further ado with lots of prayers thoughts and guidance. I have decided that I'll lv the clearing and entering the twenty four draft okay entering the NFL in the NFL draft okay. It's still think he's going top five all right he also talked about. He was asked about his his hip. And how he's doing and what the timetable might be. I'm optimistic that I'd be able to play you know this this upcoming season But you know I think for me right now. I'm more worried about getting better soon as possible yet. It's unique situation for sure or if my hip I mean a lot of the guys you know. The general managers the owners that I've got to talk to look at this injury as like a knee injury. Almost although it's not really the biggest thing they want to do is to see that we can be back to how we were prior to danger. This is a decision that I'm going to have to live with you know and so I made it and I mean I'm good with yeah I mean again. The downside is what that you can't go and you've signed a professional contract and you can't play football or you can't go and you get no money for it or you could have gone if you waited a year. I mean that's as much much of a risk in not as a guarantee is the current one just focus on getting better again. Go to combine. Show everybody your medical records that you told. I'm reading the articles here that he got a good medical report. Show everybody that. Knock it out of the park in the interview room do everything else and every owner is going to be and every coach that wants you and there's GonNa be tons of them are going to be staring at their medical staff sang. Tell me something good they should. They should make that the The musical choice. Tell me something good. That's that's the song is going to be so good. Tell me something good and the lines are in the catbird seat because if the kid is healthy they're sitting third overall. We could take them or not. Who wants them? Because you know the dolphins are going to take him and if we don't take become then you know the giants are GonNa make trade so the dolphins might have to move up and then I mean there's so much smoke that can come out of the state of Michigan from the lines based on this decision. Asian that's common. You have another item over there. Christopher just a couple of MBA things Quickly Wade Phillips is not going to be back at grams defensive coordinator Tater and a couple of NBA things Blake Griffin's visiting IT specialists in La considering season ending knee surgery of course now with the Pistons and Dwight White Howard. Having a great resurgent year here in Los Angeles with the Lakers is going to participate in the slam dunk contest. That's fun all star week in Chicago. The I'm Komo here for the image Rehab of two I'd Howard. It's been going very well. been going very well having a great year for La. That's an is. That's the news right there by not a newsman. Not a newsman very well done Eight four four two zero four rich number two. Hey there was one post game aim soundbite. That was so moving. Its so terrific. It just shows you the humanity of the sport own that good guys who loved the game will eventually be rewarded. Even if they're not rewarded with the win I will. We'll play that for you if you missed it. Mike Prayer is going to be joining US shortly as well. I just ran through everything that I'm GonNa hit with Mike. That's coming up next on this and still to come on this edition of the rich Eisen show. What's what's happening? Everybody this is. The official Lakers podcast. I'm your host Mike Trudell superpower to be your flanked by Aaron. Our soule you ready to go. I'm ready the Lakers will be top ten defense on your shot to get a team that has to star or to supervising with Lebron. Ad Can sometimes camper outlet. I think they're both good candidates for. Mvp I really like the way that this team. It just feels to be around the. It's a it's a very clear message. That's two stars in the navy and its everybody else on board the relationship that is developing between those two off the court and the court cohesiveness on the court I think in this case is a special case that the two of them will enhance each other. As opposed you taking away from each other insured or rates. Subscribe and leader of you available in Apple. PODCASTS and podcasts I think a quick call Andrew in Ohio called in what's Go- i Andrew. What's going on brother mature? Eisenhower you today. I'm good what's going on. What's what's on your mind you know thinking about two of As he made his announcement I was sitting physical therapy. And and what I saw was a man a young man making a bad decision. I was synthetic therapy because I have the exact same injury he has and I had sixteen November. Stop a Kit Surgery. The fixed to two breaks in a tear in my labor them in it. It's very difficult to move around around. I saw he was still on a crutch yeah. I was on a crush up until last week. And this happening. mid-november watch one of the best doctors in the world to do it Epic Cleveland Clinic and it is very painful very time consuming thing to do well Andrew I'm only hoping for his sake. AAC that That he is got a a little bit quicker Or more I guess supernatural if you will healing powers based on his his way and and hope that you have a quicker recovery than the one that seemed to be on right now I I'm Solomon doctor's orders and do the best and I wish him the best I think one on your additional college would help him not not for the education so much but you know to let his body help himself appreciate the call Andrew. Thanks for the call a look. We won't know but that said neither do NFL teams NFL. Teams will find out. If he's on a crutch like saying early April he still can get paid millions. He had to do what he had to do. As far as I'm concerned same air do it now. You know it just again. It's it's remarkable how the healing powers might work for somebody WHO's obviously a one of a an above average athlete. Let's put it that way. I don't know I don't know what Andrew's personal situation is right there either so after. I'm watching the eagles game and Eagles seahawks Game Carson. wentz gets hit. I still think and again prayer is GonNa join us that that's an illegal hit from a cloudy in college football. He get adjusted for it but outcomes Josh mccown on who I've gotten know through twitter. We follow each other. I haven't really spoken very much in our career my career or his just a really good dude. Great Guy who's had a lot of opportunities backing up a lot of opportunities to potentially start that got lost because of injury on his own right remember when he was starting for the browns and got blown up by the jets dive into the my gosh and the jets gave him an opportunity and he retires and he's like I'm done philly calls him up when he's on. Espn we need you. Backup Carson wentz whence goes through an amazingly healthy season for him despite the mash unit that surrounds the rest of them on the offense of the injury bug finally bit Wentz yesterday because of that hit by cloudy and outcomes mccown. And I'm thinking to myself. Has He ever played in a playoff game. I went and I looked at his stats. Sure Enough I ever playoff game. Who would have thought it? It's really unbelievable. How the football? God's work sometime and just to give you an idea of how difficult it is to leave the game. How much the love of the game really means to players? This was does Josh mccown after the game yesterday in Philadelphia. Yeah I'll probably reflect on that later Again asking you know probably with a sour taste But but thankful thankful Just you know Wife and my family moved around a lot and been been been there for me and so mom and dad and so to go out there and get to play in a playoff game will special and and I can't think that enough from from the sport and it was it was a heck of a Ri- left it all out there. I know that much This it's different playing at forty now so your body talks to you a lot and and You know I think I think more than anything it was that was I think I reflect on that later but it was fun to be out there for sure. Good Josh mccown is GonNa join us on the rich Eisen show tomorrow so as Pat McAfee and so is Joe Montana. Let's on Tuesday. Show take a break when we come back Mike Pereira former head of NFL refs and current lead rules analyst on Fox so so much to talk to him about from this playoff week. And don't you dare move. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast one dot com clicking on the support this podcast button. And there you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing again of course supporting now back to the show. Welcome back to the rich Eisen show with chicken. Our poll question brought to you by capital. One which is reimagined banking offering savings and checking encountered no fees or minimum is one of the nation's best savings rates capital one. What's in your Wallet Chris? What is currently leading our polar best game from wild card weekend neck and neck? Today titans upset the Patriots Tree. It's forty percent. Viking stunned the saints in overtime thirty eight percent. And what a way for it to finish the Saints Third Straight Year that their playoff game ends in a loss on the last playoff game. This one was a kyle rudolph touchdown in overtime from Kirk cousins that could have been ruled. Pass interference offensively through replay. But it was not Mike Pereira former former head of NFL. refs for all those years. When I was doing the official review segment on NFL total axes with him now? I Fox rules analysts trump For the National Football League on Fox joining us here on the show. How are you Mike? Well I'm just trying to figure out of the Idaho potato balls or do you actually when you go into the store order by your Idaho potatoes and you stop at the Big Red Box and get a movie rental on your way out Mike. Look look at you. After after further review hi Taibbi ballgames again. That's only forty exactly after further review. I like it. I'm great by the way. He's terrific terrific. Let's get into so much to get into right now was that offensive. Pass interference yesterday. So then why why why was and then. Why is it and to me? It should have been called on the field but does it or did it rise to the level of what they're looking for in replay that that would allow them to come in and look at it and put offense you pass interference on the play answered. No I have to do is follow all year long. What they've been doing doing and you see that there is a different standard that they use for replay And it's why the rule is so screwed up but they're consistently enforcing let's think uh remember last week. Seattle San Francisco. I mean my gosh. There was blatant pass interference on San Francisco at the end of the game in the end zone and it wasn't called and it wasn't reviewed And that that that play right. There haven't been reviewed and hadn't been called New Orleans would have had by the way a first round bye but it didn't rise to the level that they felt it needed to rise to and that's why it's a lose lose rule and they you gotta get rid of it or figure out some way to to alter it to where it makes more sense to anybody. I talked to Zimmer and you will before for the game and they were complaining to me about the rule and how it hurt them so bad when they played green bay their first time around while they're probably not complaining now but It's just a bad rule. The thing is again is they. They played Green Bay. Let me make sure I get this correct. They play in week two. It Changed Mike. There's no question to change. Because the way it was described five to all of us in the media during the summers at something like this call and certainly like the one at the end of the San Francisco. Seattle game was absolutely going to be a a flag installed by replay. And have you been able to suss out. What's change? Well I mean to me it like after week ten. I mean they didn't change anything. I mean I mean it was. It was almost absurd and and then it started to tighten up a little bit and everybody thought that okay once we get into the play offs Or we're in week sixteen and seventeen. They're gonNA make calls that are either pass interference or not pass interference. That's the way they're going to look at it in replay. But they haven't I mean you you look at it and and you again you see what happens in in San Francisco with the Seattle game. They're not gonNA rely on replay to call the penalties. Unless it's agreed GIS unless it compares to what happened in New Orleans a year ago and you know and honestly rich. I feel bad for for our river on because I don't even think he knows what the standard is. And and and when you put a rule in that says that you want something called one way on the field and another way when you look at it and replay I mean he was doomed to failure right off the bat and And while they hoped that they could survive vives through the play offs and not have him not have this rule. Be a focus. Well guess what WH- around one wildcard. It's a focus so pretty pretty hard to say to a coach if I'm out river on and and I think he made a huge mistake with his pool report when he said there wasn't enough for a foul I think he brought brought double controversy on himself. Because it's offensive. Pass Interference Rudolph. Big Defender is smaller. The push to the chest create separation And you know I I think if you're going to be honest you gotta say Sean Payton Yep you know it was offensive pass interference but not big enough for me to stop the game and call and you go. Are you kidding me. I mean this is. This is how bad that rule is Mike. Pereira here on the rich Eisen show. Let's move to later in the afternoon. The clowney hit on Wednesday the legal or not. Yeah I do I think it is. We were just talking about it. you you know cloudy and to go back to history. But you've probably talked about that. You know he knocked holes out of the game in week. Sixteen last year with a helmet shot into the sternum which cost them forty thousand dollars and it was called roughing the passer to me now. Different situation because winces become a runner. But he's going to the ground almost to the ground And and he hits him. I'm in the head and and I know it's it's not technically late but when you do go to the head and the interesting thing when I watched that play over and over over again to me. I'm slow motion replay. Didn't make it look that bad but in real time you can see him drop the head and take your shot and you know. I think it's bowel now. Certainly not gonNA keep once in the game just because it was a foulland if the foul got called. But I do think it's I do think it was a cheap shot. You you think there is any sort of stomach for the lack of a better phrase Org Or desire in the NFL to institute what college does no flag on the play. But guess what we're buzzing down. That's a helmet to helmet and we're going to take a look at it. What do you think? Well I mean you know my proposal which I which we did in the you know no the extinct af was you. Let this Guy Judge get involved in pass. Interference calls or no calls in the last five minutes of the game players safety at anytime during the game and and I still believe I'd like to see that if you're if you're a number one priority is player safety if something theme is missed like that and and we see them a lot where maybe it's a major facemask that that the guys don't see Let let the Sky Judge for lack of a better term get involved and put the penalty on or just as important. Let them take it off. I mean if they call a blatant face mask and it turns out he he didn't have the mascot was the collar in the front. Then take it off but you know to me. I think you make a huge change. I'd love to see him. Make a huge change range and make it make it be more about player safety than it is pass interference because that should be more important. Move through the rest of the weekend with Mike Pereira a former MM ahead of NFL refs Now lead rules analyst for the for the NFL and college football on Fox. And I put the word lead in there just to definitely get under Dean Blandino skin right there. Mike appreciate that. Make sure I tell you just you. Just you know He. But he's not heap owned it in. He founded in from. We don't know where he is. He's an undisclosed location in California. We assumed he might be. You might be conditioning for dancing with the star testing. I love it Six fifty sixty going overtime bills driving trying to get a field goal to win it. Cody Ford it's called for an illegal blindside inside blocked at absolutely hobbles. The bill's final offensive possession of the game. What you think of that call? I don't like the call. I mean you know food on the show that we just did when he called in you know he says technically you know By the book. That's a foul and I and and come on. I mean look I say screw the technicality of the rule. I mean that's not the way that this rule was set up. It's not the thing that the committee committee wanted call. This one of these unintended consequences looked the rule. Says there has to be forcible contact. This rule was brought in to to really get rid of the D.C leaders that came on changes that possessions or punt plays. I mean th th th. He didn't lead with the shoulder of the forearm or the helmet. Commit to the head or neck area I mean I again using some common sense There you just there's just not enough force it. There's no player at risk of injury from that block and and I think the committee has to look at this and say let's just make this like Illegal blocks below the waist waist Let's make this rule. Only applicable during change of possession plays after a change of possession or during kick place and that's when the cleaners happened. Not when it's a running play that's almost close line play technically technically the way the rule is set up. Yeah it it is a foul but technically there are a lot of things on the field that are fouls but aren't called. I mean the the tackles. Sometimes they're so far. Off The line of scrimmage but they don't call that because for one thing they wanna give the tackles a little bit of an edge when they're trying to block the speed rusher so the quarterback doesn't get hit too often so to me. I just don't think that was a call that needed to be made in another rule that I think was brought in that all of a sudden serious unintended intended consequences have have begun to appear. well by rule De'andre Carter's Flipping of the ball to Tony. Caridi in that that game to kick off the second half of the game was a ball. That just flipped an lucid. Which is why Karenni backed off and ruled it a touchdown and fumbled to begin the second half and then common sense Rules are applied. I walk me through how that worked out. Just so there are other officials officials as we know from the department. That are on the sideline at stepped into Tony and said. Hey let's be common sense here and rule that a touchback because he had no intention of clearly running it out Mike. Yeah Yeah and you know and listen. There's a lot of people that have communication the four alternates that are on the field. And let's remember that New York is dialed in to the four alternates on the sidelines. And the seven officials on the field. Look there are interpretations. It's not in the rule book and the interpretation has always been and when a player dues does something stupid like that. He's given up his right. He's given up his ability to advance and and it really. It came in and a couple of different forms where you're more likely to see it. As when you know at the end of game a defender intercepts a pass in the end zone and he goes to the ground and he pops up any. These spikes the ball well. He was never touched any intercepted the pass in as opponents in zone so the ball is still alive so technically he gave gave up the ball. But that's you know. We said you know. He declares himself down by doing that. And that's we've had that interpretation in for a long time. We said you know if you flicked the ball the official in the end zone or whatever it might be any catches it. You're gonNA leave that as live ball. Oh my God the poor official okay. Let's you gotTa playthrough go get the ball. The official gets to gets trampled. The disappointing thing is that Tony reacted the way he did. I mean He. He knows the interpretation and he knows for a number of reasons like the signal that was given that says. Hey I'm not going to advance this ball. Normally you let it hit in the end zone on. But when he flicks it to Tony Reaches over to pick up his common sense dictates that he has given himself up and Kudos to who ever went out there and got the Tony whether it was New York through the alternates or the alternates themselves to to get that corrected because you know as Dean said at one point not everything is in the rule book. If you put everything in the rule book my God the thing would be six hundred pages long instead of two hundred but that's an an interpretation that has been in there for a long time and and And at least they did get it corrected last two minutes. It's a half with you. The cat and mouse between able and Bella check with purposefully. Moving players before priest create pre-snap penalties. That would wine wine McLaughlin the actual play clock down He he's a total loophole. That I think bell check was the one who I found and exploited the early in the season against him. Is this legal. And is this something that is going to be closed. You think by the Competition Committee I if it is legal right now I think it will. I think it'll be closed and I was more amused by bill. belichick being added the officials. you know for one of his former coaches and players. Here's new and the same thing that he did back in October. Since then it's been done twice by able now it's been done by John Harbaugh The this is a copycat seacat Lee and so when when they when bill figured out this loophole. Then you know teams have copied that but I- they'll find a way to do do it. You know I like the college rule for example that if you're in punt formation and you get a delay of game and punt formation the clock automatically stays stopped it. Don't you don't rewind it So there there are some ways to clean it up and they complicate it by saying you know the delay they took a delay away from punt formation and then they took then they purposely false started. I would suspect if that happens again After they he kinda close the loophole that it'll be unsportsmanlike conduct. The second time it happens and not the third which is basically the way that the you interpret the the rule now but yeah. It's it's clearly a loophole. Then don't think as we go further on into the playoffs if a team is ahead and you're at that seven minute mark of the fourth quarter and it's your advantage to run time off the clock. You basically have the ability to run one minute and forty five seconds with which is what happened when dribbled it. You've got that ability to do that. Mike loved the time. Always appreciate it. Enjoy going to Lambeau and we'll chat down the line. Okay you got right back at you. That's Mike Pereira at Mike Pereira on twitter at Mike Pereira. Seventy seven on instagram must follow. I thought that that illegal blindside block is exactly what he said like look come on I cost the which team I think it cost the sinks a ton of field position yesterday any in a pot. Think something like that happen to look. You just don't want to have somebody running around not seen gene somebody who comes from the back and actually blow somebody up. That's the issue. This was just you know Josh Allen running out to the right cody Ford is. It's blocking. He did come. Back to the line of scrimmage but that's not that's not something that's dangerous and illegal correctly was crippling play better than the rest ref play better than the rest Reps. Stop the next team on third in eighteen. And when you've got two guys sack somebody sack somebody in the same realm of Miami Monitor when you're trying to beat Alabama score single second half point. That'd be great. You know I'm I'm trying to be consistent. Final poll results brought to you by capital one rematch banking by offering savings and checking encountered no fees Birmingham's one of the nation's best savings rates capital. What's in your wallet? Christopher what do you have over there. The Best Wildcard game of the weekend titans upsetting the Patriots. Forty forty percents okay. 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"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Napa know right now, you can get a twenty dollars prepaid visa gift card by mail with the purchase of a Napa legend premium battery. It's durability and power make it the obvious choice for people who hate getting stranded by a dead car battery so pretty much everyone the Napa legend premium battery and twenty dollars back quality parts, helpful people. That's Napa know how no how participating Napa auto part stores and Napa auto care centers. Limit to household while supplies last offer ends two twenty eight nineteen. Our number three of our first day knowing what the match up in Super Bowl fifty three is right here from our eighteen C studios in the hometown of the NFC champion, Los Angeles. Rams unbelievable. I'll say I said it in a top of hour number two. If you missed it go to our app apple app store. Google play hit the link at the top of our Twitter handle to get that app. And make sure if you already have it to you had the updated new version as well. I was on that flight home from Seattle and the the Thursday night football game back in two thousand sixteen after prior to which they fired their head coach Jeff Fisher was that we fourteen contest. And it was a dreadful flight home. Nobody. There was thinking that they were going to be thirty six games away from the Super Bowl. Nobody not a single on that flight. They might have felt it believed that they had the right plan in place. But nobody was kind of feeling it that night. They just got blown out by Seattle Goff looked overmatched. But they've made all the right moves Kevin DEM off less need, by the way, one of the assistance. They kept was John fossil the special teams coordinator. And play that turn it all was that fake punt yesterday that Sean McVeigh on bottled at thirteen nothing. It was looking bleak in the Superdome. Big w now, I understand it was an awful non call. And we'll discuss that with Mike per coming up shortly. Mark Maskey of the Washington Post quoting to individuals, and these are new these are new terms for us. Right. Chris Brockman from this piece. Oh, one is a high ranking official with one NFL team. That's a new one. It's no. And another one is one person familiar with the league's into working inner workings. But that business card person familiar with league. One person familiar with the league's into workings. How do you fit that on a business card, very carefully? Yeah. By the way, del tufo on your business card. Your person familiar with the league's outta workings. True. That that instant replay. It will be there's going to sit down have a serious discussion about putting pass interference. And other non calls or calls into folded into the instant replay reviewable plays. And I say Joseba to that make all review everything in anything. Put it all in there. And Bella check, and Sean Payton or two coaches who have been pushing for this for years. I'm sure Sean will be pounding that table even harder now. We'll discuss it with Mike Pereira later on our number three phone calls have been terrific all day. We will take them as well. I promise you on that, Chris the there's an interesting story coming out of Philadelphia, and I wanna hit that right? Just kick off our news update from Chris Brockman brought to you by Honda. Brockman with federal live report. Rock men with the new twenty nineteen Honda Civic stylish. Dan is available with turbo charged engine and paddle Shifter's for fun. Proven playoff proven performance. Hardy local Honda dealer for a great deal on a game ready Honda Civic, Christopher what do you have over the gay? The Philly voice published a report today this morning which team sources describe a quarterback Carson Wentz as selfish uncompromising and egotistical cited more than a half dozen eagles players and other sources close to the team also described an uneasy dynamic within the eagles organization sources accusing Wentz of playing favorites. Failing to take accountability while describing Nick foles as universally loved several eagles players today have taken to Twitter to defend Carson Wentz. Those include lane Johnson saying whoever wrote. That article needs to check their sources, hashtag fake news. Carson has been in is our leader. And our quarterback, y'all know where to find me if you have any issues Zach ertz, took the Twitter don't believe everything you read Carson has been nothing. But a great person great teammate, great leader. All capitalized since day. One our locker room stands behind him all the way, we can't wait to get back to work and be the best team. We can't in two thousand nineteen footer Cox also took to Twitter reading to this Carson Wentz thing. And as the leader on this team, non of that is true. Carson is great teammate gripe player. We're all behind them hundred percent. He's our guy and we'll come back and prove the world wrong. If you got a problem feel free to ask me all respond. I gotta be honest with you. I haven't heard a single thing out of Philadelphia. Call Carson Wentz egotistical or anything of that nature. That's that's odd. That's a new one. I'm in heard I haven't even heard a hand or whisper on that front uncompromising. I haven't heard anything close to that about Carson Wentz. Nor does any of that come out in an interview. None of that comes out when you talk to none of it. You don't get that sense. It's weird. But I'll tell you what is going to be part of the conversation of the Super Bowl is the fact that Jared Goff has beaten Carson Wentz to the Super Bowl start. And nobody thought that about Jared Goff. When he was drafted first overall. We were here on the show that day when the Rams traded up into that one spot. Called right away got on the show right away. The current general manager of the Oakland Raiders, Mike Mayock, Mike. What do you think he goes? It's for once. It's for once. It was forgotten. We're all like Latin. So mean, that'll be part of the conversation as winces team made the playoffs both years in part because of the foundation that he built more two years ago than this year. I think foles got him in the playoffs this year. I think that they play up and then the way that they played in the playoffs. They didn't look anything like that under the underwent this year. It's just only gonna get weirder. And weirder until the the eagles make a decision. They've already come out. And basically said went to our quarterback for the most part. And now, what do you do with full? I think they they. Franchise tag him and see what they can do to make sure that foles doesn't wind up in giants or Redskins uniform without muddying the waters and making it any any particularly ugly piece of football business. What else you however there Chris? Well, if it's Monday, we got in Tonio Brown drama news. What we have today. He took to social media over the weekend, Instagram and post, a thank you to Steelers fans that could be construed as a good by the caption read one thing I understand about this fan base. And that I'll never forget an always appreciate your passion. No that it's all of this way. And I'm forever thankful for Steelers nation, then put putting parentheses this is not a good by just thank. But the timing of it was odd. He was being carried off the field in the picture that he posted. Okay. So my kids into the mass singer all of a sudden Zan loves the mass singer. So I watched an episode with them the Terry Bradshaw. And there was guesses that could be Rothlisberger. Like, wouldn't that be great? If if it's if it's banned in the last one village loving bell. It's all three, Mike. Thomas alley all three of them. Okay. Terry bradshaw. The first ever I overall selected quarterback to play in a Super Bowl. He interviewed the latest yesterday. Jared Goff only nine first overall drafted quarterbacks played in a Super Bowl. Only nine I'm gonna have one Bradshaw. Well, I let me see if I can get the list up here in Twitter. I can remember off the top of my head. I think it was the first was Bradshaw. Then it was Jim Plunkett they want. Yeah. Multiple ones Bledsoe played one ish. Oh, yes. Forget about that one on the Desmond. Our you know, Brady's not the only Michigan m V an MVP award winner. Then you've got ally. Peyton Cameron Newton. Jared goff. Number number was Brady again. What number pick was he one hundred ninety nine overall, sir. Thanks. According Schefter, multiple teams. Interested in Kareem hunt. You see him back in the league next year? I guess I'm sorry. Find somebody else to run the football. I don't want any part of him ravens near contract was just moving on. I know you're moving on. But let me just hit it right here. The other ones as well. Our Elway in Troy Aikman. All right. So the only one who has not won blood. So has one ring. Right. But started in one he did not. And Cam Newton. We'll see what golf does. And I just wanna hit this to just real quick on Kareem hunt. If I'm running team, I say sorry, you kicked a woman. And then you lied about it to your boss. I'll find somebody else to run the football. There's tons of people that can run full with Damien Williams that he scored three times in the fourth free quarter of the AFC championship game. Okay. So let's find somebody else to run the football. I'm running team. And then on top of it to, you know, maybe just maybe these are these are. There are some people who can find their footing and put their lives back together again and not be that person anymore. I'm absolutely saying that or you can look at that as really a window into somebody's personality. How did Greg Hardees? You see night go this week. Go got disqualified in probably one of the the UFC says, you know, what he didn't know the rules. He's going to get back there and let it let them figure it out that when somebody is on the ground and they have their knee on the ground. You can't take your knee and kick them in the head with it. But that's what I think I saw that after he didn't know the rules. He's not familiar with it yet. What else ravens nearing their extension with John Harbaugh as expected and Kellen Moore being rumored Cowboys new offense of heard. He's a he's one of those hot candidate rising stuff a hot boy. Yeah. He's a young. I mean, everybody's back. Use the backup there for a while. Yes. Indeed. Yes. Indeed. And in apparently, he's got a keen mind for this sort of thing. I like it but see what he can do here. Yeah. I like it. Why not? I mean, you've gotta be by the way different things the buck. Jalen Smith on the show this week was that she's crane. Just I mean, just a great individual. And it was me him and Willie mcginest in a in a segment together on live television. And I'm I'm realizing this on live television 'cause Willie is one of those guys when you meet him much bigger than you'd think much bigger just like Erlanger, he keeps going vertically play his body just keeps going he's one of the biggest linebackers. I've ever come across. And Jalen Smith is almost as big as really. Yeah. Yeah. That guy can go sideline sideline to. And he's a winner inside in his brain in his heart was very very Pannu a little bit that he went to Notre Dame. You know, here's what he did. He spent the entire he was with us the entire meeting, and then was with us the entire show, and I took pictures of him on set and I texted him to and we're like staying touch staying touch. Thanks. And then he goes, go Irish. Walked out the door. Nice guy. Nice guy. We got some last too early fun Super Bowl prop bets out is you're interested in some of these bunch and the national anthem. Of course, you know, the time how long would take I like this one. We'll Gladys Knight omit a word from national anthem. Sometimes people forget the word, you can actually lose American dollars on something you can get three to one for. Yes. Okay. Well, any scoring drive take less time than it takes Gladys Knight to sing the anthem. Well, she's coming in about one forty five where we have a less than one minute forty five. Second scoring drive. Okay. Well, she she'd be like Billy Joel that one year in Miami. When he was told specifically by NFL management. Please do not when you're talking to the press. Exactly how long version of national said what? He was in the NFL network green room this year. Prince did the mash the did the halftime show of and I'm from Staten Island, New York in walks Billy frequent Joel that is like the Red Sea is just part. Yeah. So fired up to see him. And I didn't wanna go up to him yet because I was interviewing him later in the day and NFL. Media relations official shall remain. Nameless said to him belly Billy when you go up there. And if anybody asks you how long the song's going to be we'd appreciate it. If you don't say it because people bet on that, we don't really condone that sort of thing, I'm paraphrasing. That's exactly Billy. Joel just nodded his head. Then he goes out. Press conference begins. He begins his preamble about excited. He is to be here. Again, he had done it before singing America, the beautiful or did that was national national anthem. And he goes, you know, what Donna before can't wait to do it again. You'll be about two minutes, two minutes, five seconds or so. Just set it. You wanna be a big shot digit? Refunding other fun ones. We'll fan on the field during the game. I'll stop it. We got a fan during the. Gam will the roof closed. We'll non quarterback throw a touchdown lot away. I bet you the Reuss going to be close right now. You see what the weather is going to be chilly, chilling con, Wendy. Well, they'll be a roughing the passer windy. Well, there now be a proper to how many how many predictions pre snap predictions Romo gets correct. That's great problem. Any quarterback throw for four hundred or more yards inside. Nobody's done that yet this postseason. But guess who's got the two best passing prolific passing yards games of these? Plus the forty one year old. Tom brady. Come on can't believe you back again. Crazy. All right. Let's take a break here on the rich Eisen show comeback. Take your phone calls before Mike Pereira joins us. What does he think of the idea of making everything reviewable? I think I know he doesn't like that idea that he's going to talk about it's gonna make the game longer. And you know, if there are more challenges it's going to be longer. He said that before I'm wondering if he's had a change of heart after seeing in person what happened yesterday in New Orleans. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Okay. This is the thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers at you. But please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes, you could say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates and great service for over seventy five years in anytime, you need help you can speak to one of their train specialists. Twenty four seven the company is gyco. Go to Geico dot com today. So are for all the numbers and five four three two one amount of time. 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He was the the he's the rules analyst of note from the booth with. With Joe and choice calling in shortly here on the program. Let's go to lawn in Los Angeles been awhile since we talked to a longtime listener on his beautiful Monday as my loss Angeles. Didn't wanna boy clapping when you wanna crow a little bit. And I wanna tell you. Yeah. Is serious. The saints breasted the best quarterback in the NFL breath fogs unnecessary roughness, they beat up Goss quarterback. Kurt Warner God don't like ugly and he stole the game with the rest from the Pittsburgh Steelers. Karma will come back and get you. Laudi? Yes. Congratulations on your ass making the Super Bowl, man. I've been a real chance woman cable, Jack snow I even saw Jackson. No on the be what's television series. I'm gonna have parade down. Once your Bill would nothing, but my on. They were. Lawn in Los Angeles. Everybody rack in two weeks. We'll see if that's true or not. Yeah. I know what you're hearing about karma. Sean Payton's and excellent football. Coach, man. And they got hose, which is part of the reason why we're gonna have Mike per call in a matter moments. They got host. But there are some plays that were left out on the field. Rod Woodson tell me that all of the time that. Chuck knoll would tell the Steelers before game. You gotta play better than the refs ref. But that one was particularly galling this is no just no two ways about it. Pete in Richmond Virginia. How you been Pete? Guys had a good weekend two things real quick than they got for Conan one in the playoffs. Why can't somebody being New York and just call down to somebody and just simply say through your flag? They throw their flag. They always huddle up anyways on any penalty. So that the referee knows what he's calling. They them up. The New York goes in his ear. We have a potential helmet-to-helmet as interference call where in the process of reviewing, and then they just make the call that maybe is that may be that may be the way that it happens Pete went. But right now, the last thing that I think the league would want when it's not and thanks for the call Mike is called in the is lasting that. The league would want is when it's not get codified in the rule that somebody from New York calls in and makes a call that somebody on the field should make. I mean. Benjamin Watson whose career is. Now over unbelievable is tremendous playing career fifteen years he had appendicitis this week. He could not go. And if the saints at one in they thought he'd be ready to play in the Super Bowl when it got put out there that the league is considering making pass it to Fearance reviewable off of yesterday's game. He retweeted that saying or have the guys call it when it's should be called. I know it's that simple. Sometimes Mike Pereira. Former head of NFL refs and foxholes analyst fresh back from New Orleans calling into the show. How are you Mike? I'm great rich. How're you doing fine? Okay. So let's walk through what he thinks going on in river on world right now. Well, it's not a good world to be in. I'm telling you. He's getting heat from everywhere including from upstairs in the league office. It's you take two games championship games. That ended in overtime. You know should have been grandba- for the league. Regardless of the fact that maybe some people don't like. You know, the overtime play with only one team getting the ball. It was as was the case with the patriots. But the talk is all about officiating, and that's not what the league and the talk has been all about really officiating for the last two years and and replaced been a huge part of that. And you know, we got an interesting player here in the mix, and that Sean Payton who is on the competition committee, and is going to go into those meetings starting in February at the combine with his guns loaded, and he's a tough guy, and he's gonna wanna walk out of that meeting in February. And then the follow up meeting in March with something that will address what happened, you know, at the end of their game. So I think we're on the verge of maybe taking a leap forward. I hope we're on the verge of taking the leap forward and finding a way to correct mistake. Aches like yesterday in twenty seconds. And if you can do that, and and really kind of really kind of take a bold step and looking how to do that by taking an eighth of fischel and putting him as a member of crew in a booth with replay quip -ment with just T and a a technology person with them and allow him to just get on the horn to he has communication to Bill innovation to immediately say after the first replay Bill that was passed. I'm your crew member. I call them the sky judge, you know, Bill that was passed interference at the six yard line. It was also hitting defensive species, by the way, which both getting forced take the ball. Put it at the three first down play on goal. I think we're gonna have to look at doing something like that to eliminate these types of MRs, you know, Mike, as you know, I have opinions. I don't really opinions. I've got suggestions. Because I'm not just going to rail on something without offering a solution. I like that idea for the final two minutes of but you can't have some unnamed on known official sitting up in a booth somewhere calling down when a flag hasn't been thrown. If you've got fans in the stands looking for a flag, and they're going crazy. And then all of a sudden, some buzz down, you might think that somebody is is is reacting under pressure based on what a crowd did or not. You've gotta have outside of it. A an ability to challenge it you've got to have it. It's got to be a coach's challenge initiated unless it's in the last two minutes, but everything should be review -able and anything should be review. -able, mike. I don't think I agree with you. I don't think it has to be a challenge, and I'm not talking about a hidden guy. I mean, I'm talking about an eight member of the crew. No, I know. And I think listen you've got you've got crowd reaction inside of two minutes to where you're are you influencing the replay official upstairs to stop the game to take him. Look. I mean, I I I don't know if that's a relevant argument in my mind, all I wanna do is to figure out how to correct obvious mistakes obvious mistakes and do it without stopping the game for three minutes. And and listen technology's not going to get worse and officiating not gonna get better. I mean, it's so damn tough as it is right now. So you gotta look at the technology that is available and the speed that you can get it. And see if you can do something if it was me, I would go to the committee, and I would say, look, let's not make hasty decisions here. You know? Let's let's use the sixty four preseason games that we have prior to the two thousand nineteen season. And let's experiment with this. Let's put an eighth official in this booth. Let's. Let him officiate the game as the eighth member of the crew. And just like the crew gets together when there's a block in the back call and somebody has a different angle, he just he just another member here. And let's see if we can correct the correct the obvious mistakes. And if it works in sixty four games, then let's say in two thousand nineteen we put it in the playoffs to ensure that it doesn't happen. And then if it works, maybe then Dopp kit in two thousand twenty going forward for all games just think we've got a look forward and really kinda change how we approached officiating and technology to make it better without extending the game. You know, now, see that's. Now, you keep saying that Mike Pereira, you flout years I have been saying, let's make everything and anything reviewable. And you're like well that's going to extend the game. It's going to be too long. That's why I'm at least saying it's gotta be initially initiated from the coaching sidelines. Let's take a look at that. I saw holding and then put an actual limit on that. So not only do you can maintain a human element to officiating which I think is important even fans would agree that there's gotta be some of that. But let's make sure that it comes from the coaches you seen actual red challenge. Flag come out and say that should have been holding that should have been passed into set should have been this as opposed to an eighth official that we're not seeing. Okay. And then we're suddenly getting some sort of call out of nowhere on something that we didn't see like now, suddenly there's going to be an illegal contact that gets missed that. That's in the second quarter that suddenly is going to get called. I think people are gonna go absolutely insane. Let's not use it for every play. But let's make everything review under the actual construct. We already have in terms of finite number of challenges. Well, I mean, I just I see I don't think they'll do that. I mean, I think that's out of the question. I just can't see them ever adopting the Bill Belichick thing where let's and rich Eisen thing. Let the coach challenge everything because that that's going to lead to that's gonna lead the even longer games than if you did it the way that I'm proposing to do it because everybody says, well, you know, what we're not. We don't want to give the coaches more challenges while you're giving them more challenges because look at it. Now. I mean coaches don't have to challenge a turnover. They don't have to challenge play this ruled you know, score. And so you only have about one point three coaches challenges that game, let them challenge everything. And we know that under the current system they get to challenges and getting both right? They get a third might go one point two to five you know, challenges game. I just I just don't see them. I don't see the commit. Eighty doing that. I see them looking at something something, I think less dramatic. And I know that you're talking about the official that can't be seen. But you know, I just think that they could take some smaller steps to maybe. Correct. Maybe. Correct. Sick things in the time. It would take you know, for you know, them to correct to in actual replay challenge situation. Right. I just find it hard. You know, I've you look you've you things through the lens of of former official former head of NFL refs for somebody. Who's in the league office? I put myself in the in the shoes of a fan or on the catch fan. And I'm like sitting there thinking they're flag on the plane. Okay. No flags nominee their thing. Okay. There on flake. No flex is their flag from the booth no flags in the booth that play now stands I think that would just drive some fans nuts. But let's just in the time. We have remaining Mike Pereira. Foxsports lead of a head analyst of officiating of Fox Sports. I did that just a piston blandino off to give you that. Here. I'm in the talent. Let's give let's give some saints fans some clarity and potentially pound Fleischer to somebody lose their job over this. Do you know why not well I mean, so you've got the guys through fifteen fifteen games of the regular season and playoff game previously to this. You have guys that performed at the highest level the highest level. And so that breaks down to one play at the end of the game where they make a bad miss. It is a bad miss. So you're gonna fire them you're gonna fire two of your best because they missed a call. I don't think you do that. Now, you take a look why. And do you maybe think about ramifications of you know, of a fine of some course like that? I get worried about that. Because once you start finding officials for calls that they don't make you're going to lead them into call on really ticky tack stuff because they're going to be. Be afraid of a firing. And so I think you have to look at the whole body of work, you know, a guy performs during the course of the season. And if it is bad, and if he was a if he was what they call the tier three official, and he made a mistake like that in a championship game. You know, then maybe I consider tier three officials the ones that are performed badly. All year, don't even smell the playoffs. And so I would have a hard time looking at the overall strength of my program fire and two guys who performed great over the last couple of years, and especially this year, you know, I hate to admit it. But I've seen why open receivers dropped passes. And but and it big and big times I've seen defensive lineman lineup offsides on and the plane's up in an interception. Do you fire him? I think that's being a little bit unreasonable. Okay. Then let me ask you a couple more questions here. How how do they miss it? I mean, walk me through what the. How does that get missed by everybody on the fan? I can't you know, I look at mechanics. What we always talk about. You know, you talk about at the snap man's own ball on passing plays. You've got five eligible receivers. You've got five officials around the two in the line of scrimmage in the three deep each have an official. And so coming off the line, you go man, you have a ball. You have a man you have a receiver that you've got a clear the line of scrimmage, and he goes into tone, whatever receiver comes into years on you take him. And then when the ball goes in the air, everybody goes ball, and to me there were three officials to primarily that had perfect looks of this. And they froze I mean, I think that, you know, this whole notion of you know, subconsciously, you know, trying to make the big call. They're never told directly at all to let them play never. But I think once you get into the you know, the playoffs like this teams do play a little better. And you, you know, you wanna stay away from the ticky tack stuff that the. May have called earlier. I don't know. But it's it's inexcusable. I mean, I can't I can't offer anything to defend them in this situation. I I've always felt like it's a bang bang play that you're better off not calling. This was not a bang bang play. And this was a defender that was not playing the ball. This was a defender that went high and made contact to the head or neck area. And nothing came out of that nothing came out of that from anyone of the three, and it's gonna live gonna live with that, you know, not as long as the saints fans in the same players are going to have to live with it. Because you know, they'll be back on the field, of course, next year old so, but it's I can't I can't come up with an excuse other than they just pros cuts and then another one for you. Here's Bill Venevision speaking to a pool reporter afterwards was asked about the planes. I I didn't see it. I haven't seen it yet which infuriated saints fans even more their possibility that the league. Addresses on on on how things like this are addressed for fan base seeking answers immediately. Mike, well, you know, to me I'd like to see it, quite frankly address from the league office right after the game instead of instead of the official because you you know, you did the thing in real time. And you they send a pool reporter. And then you haven't even seen it on television yet. So you make yourself look worse. They only let the referee talk, and you know, and he'd rightfully so he didn't see it. I mean, he stays these days with the quarterback. So that's not his view at all. But I I would agree that the you know, that the response wasn't appropriate to the act, but to me I'd rather I'd rather have. I'd rather have the league office as they addressed it with Sean Payton afterwards apparently in the conversations with our Veron. I I would rather be some mechanism that if there was a pool report requested that it could actually go to the league who at least could be involved in the, you know. In the statement. I mean, it was on the scoreboard. And I understand that there. He's still an official trying to officiate a game. But there's no way. He didn't look I two more questions for you. Mike Pereira before let you go. Okay. I one from the the rush. I mean, I'm always happy. Now. I know that I know that you know, I've got I guess my own time constraints in a way for the on the clock. So the overtime rules any any any appetite to allow a team that's given up a touchdown the chance to respond with touchdown. Why? No. I just think it went long enough with the you know, feel feel ending the game. Which was not pleasant to anyone that they they had a hard time pushing this through to get it to you know, to possessions, if the I did not score a touchdown. I think they pushed as far as they're willing to go. And I think the value of being able to play defense and then winning on a field goal. You know? In your only opportunity to when you get the ball back. I think is enough. And I just don't see them moving on that at all. I don't think they should really. I mean, Patrick Mahomes, maybe the MVP this league. And even get a chance to touch the football understand play me don't blame me blame his defense than if you want to. But you know, I think the I think the system is good. I don't like the college system. I think it extends the game in many cases too long. I just I just don't see that. There will be a movement there. Okay. And last one for you. And you know, I love for you to name a name like when you're the head of NFL refs. The toughest phone call. You had to make after one of your ficials blue something on the field to coach just like river on clearly had. That's got to be the toughest he's ever had to make the wanting to Sean Payton yesterday, Mike. Yeah. Well, what was yours? I I mean the toughest situation I ever got involved with really was the not the tuck play situation believe it or not. But it was the bl- the missed call in the forty nine or giant game. And when when the the giants attempted to kick a field goal, and it was blocked, then they threw it actually an eligible receiver who had an ineligible number. We lost track of him. And you know, and it should have been pass interference. Which would have certainly kept the giants alive and probably propel them to the next round of the playoffs that call that. I had to make the giants was a was a really tough call. We what's his name come on by my blanket kid is the special teams coach for John Jim fossil. I had to call on. So go possible and was not a happy man with a happy man at all. And then I wanted to make myself feel better. So my. Second call with Mary you cheat to tell him that. I was gonna make public statement that we we blew the call, and I didn't want to give the impression that I was lessening the value of their victory by admitting this mistake, and I called mooching. I said mooch, I just I just want you to know that I'm gonna make this statement. And he said to me bummer up the phone. And then he said publicly, then he said bummer publicly. I know he told you the same thing off the off Mike to that was his response to my call bummer bummer that make made your life. Worst, isn't it? When he said, no, I have appreciated. I'm always appreciated Mucci anyway. And you knew it when he said that have you know, how his mind works. Anyways. Something that he would say at home or whatever bummer and hung up the phone and on C consistent. Never heard that end of the story. Fantastic. Mike great chat with you. Great job. As always we'll see down the line. 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We couldn't get to today like Mike, Mike del tufo, Instagram post. Where there's more women into each each time. He's posting shots of him watching football games. John. So maybe we'll do that. And is in overtime. We'll do that there. Let's think in one more phone call here in Colorado. Let's get to Ken here on the rich Eisen show. What's up, Ken? You know, I know what it feels like to lose an important game. What pity your stomach feels like you? We all know what drew Brees has meant to football here. Forty years old and a chance to go and win a Super Bowl. And then it was stolen from him. Can you imagine how he feels? He's got to be lower than low right now. Ken. I'm sure All Saints fans are upset. But again, we're just all you know. I look, you're right. And thanks for the call. It was a terrible call it. Just just a terrible call. We have no idea if somehow the senators the senators and step on his foot suddenly the ball's rolling around in the Rams recovered. We don't know where Suming they take the clock down to the very end and kick the field goal, which could have been blocked. I mean, Cody parkey got his ball tipped. And it got it. You know, Greg's airline could have missed any of those field goals and shown up on the today show this. Week. I mean, the saints won the toss got the ball. I troops. Threw an interception. Going the question when I asked me, do you think these are the two best teams playing in the Super Bowl? I do because they want that's one that's one. There's adversity everywhere and championship Sunday everywhere. Peter King told us the patriots put an play earlier in the day. They put an eight new place popped out in overtime helped him win the game. One of the that they could have or they did. And then we don't know about it because the patriots beat him in that wants net nonstop it's one after another after another after another when it all comes down to it. Obviously the saints were the ones the most obviously, quote unquote, screwed because we all thought we knew what would have happened after. But both teams that won one for various reasons. And all the way that they played all season long their journey. So the answer's yes. Also because I predicted back on Labor Day. You didn't mention the last hour. Yeah. Yep. You come here. I tell you what's what I gave out the Larry f O'Brien trophy on Tober thirty thirty got that one. Labor Day came on the show that Tuesday morning. Hey, rans beat the patriots SuperBowl fifty three. Here we go to fifty three other. It's going to be on seventeen years to the date. That's right. Matt amazing crazy tonight is in by the way, my my nephew Jack turned seventeen yesterday, and he was lying there. As a newborn in my brother-in-law's arms when they watch that Super Bowl together. And he's now, you know in New Orleans beating the Rams to start the dynasty. He's now a junior high school. 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"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast fits is back. Spain is here. And as I said on HQ today. Let's get it cracking. 'cause wow. Yeah. It was a we were talking about snoop calling a hockey game. He was really into a fight. And he was like, let's get it cracking goods. I want to start every show. Now, do you think it seems organic do you think it seems like us can we cut the audio of that? And just make that the real lead in every show. Just snoop interest snoop are hyphen vary on brand we both have a ton of street cred. Well, you know, I scream street. That's you do I shouldn't say that you do. Spain and Fitz Jason Fitz. It's back on ESPN radio the espionage and Sirius XM channel eighty and. Yes, field Yates was in yesterday. We talked about a whole lot of NFL related stuff after a big week in football. But fit says them differing opinions, and we're gonna get into some of the same stuff with the different point of view. And I'm ready for a fight. I don't fight often. But I feel like occasionally today we might come to blows. And that's fine. It's fine. It's healthy. It really celebrate. Eighty and Bill Belichick can hang out for nineteen years with a couple of tips and still be working strong. I think we can get through a show where we disagree on a couple of things. But I think I hope we're going to mostly agree on the first thing, and that's this past interference. And whether it's reviewable or not in the NFL is apparently going to be discussing at great length along with other fouls. The potential for coaches to challenge PI calls defensive PI that guts non called defensive PI that is called that someone takes a difference too. And that is not surprising at all the call against the saints. Rams game was so agreed just and so obvious that it feels like it was inevitable that the NFL was going to react right fits. Well. Yeah. I mean, I think we expect some sort of conversation from the NFL, but I also don't think that the NFL moves quickly. And one thing I have to say loud about pass interference in the concept that it may be reviewable. I'll never forget last summer. When I was sitting in that rule seminar that that, you know, the NFL rules people came in and they had all the brains of the NFL from ESPN sitting there and Bill Polian was part of the competition committee during his career ESPN and Bill Polian stood up at one point when we were talking about quarterback rules, and we were talking about sort of the rule changes going into the season that everybody was panicking about. And he said, look there's three things you have to have to make a rule change number one. It has to be able to be clearly explained number two. It has to be able to be clearly seen in defined and number three that has to be able to be clearly coached so for as much as this conversation. Like, we want to sit here and say what's going to be reviewable? They've got to fall into line with some different things parameters. I'm not sure they're gonna figure that out quickly. So anyone thinking that this is the catalyst for media change? I would say I don't expect the NFL to do anything progressive or quickly. Yeah. Quickly, certainly not. But it feels like things on this. Big of a stage are the ones that get people talking to get things changed as Bryant catch rule changes. 's two thousand nine NFC championship. Saints went on a field goal. Overtime rules change tuck rule. Sorry. You know, things happen at a big level that caused a big stir. And that's what causes changed. Now. Interestingly enough, this call was so agree GIS that saints fans or legitimately threatening suit against Roger Goodell, and the NFL claiming that you know, they've suffered emotional damage that they no longer believe and trust in the game at least two different lawsuits. So far compelling Roger Goodell to try to use his powers to replay the final minute forty nine of regulation. This of course, comes after people found a part of the NFL Rubik that claims that the Commissioner's powers are able to be enforced in case of an extraordinary act that occurred in the game. So everybody's been talking about this fits including us on our show yesterday. We said we don't think it's going to happen. It seems unlikely that it will ever be used to. Actually replay a game. But we all have talked about it and a producer on HQ today pointed out, very smartly in a Washington Post article that just above the section that talks about Roger Goodell's ability to replay part or all of the game due to an emergency. Or extraordinary act. It says right above that. Quote. The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning. Judgmental errors or routine errors of emission by game. Officials games involving such complaints will continue to stand as complete sir, sir. We're gonna we're going to run that say to you. We this is a shining moment. Yes benefits. We might be the smartest show on the internet. We only on the radio we are. We are the smartest show every and looked you mentioned it you guys did it last night. Mike, and I talked a little bit golden junior. And I talked a little bit about it yesterday. Like, we all sort of fell hook line and sinker into. Oh my God. Look at what they're is here. They can make a change again. The real rule as you just said, the Commissioner will not apply thority in cases. Now, I lost the screen. I had the screen go. You need. I got I got he were ruining it already. We had a shining moment. And with each passing second. We're just chipping away. I'm too excited about it. The Commissioner will not apply thirty in cases of complaints by clubs concerning. Judgmental errors or routine errors of emission by game. Officials. That means there's nothing that Roger Goodell could really do in this situation. That is a tough message for everybody to hear. But frankly is kind of smart like I don't think we wanna live in a world where the Commissioner can just come in all willy nilly and start changing things. So for all of the conversation that's been about what could have happened nothing can happen here. So it brings us back to the question of should pass interference become reviewable that is one change that can be made for the future of nothing can be done about. Now. What can we do about the future and Sarah? I think we agree. I have no problem with penalties becoming reviewable place. Yeah. So here's the here's the important thing that needs to be taken into account here the specificity of how. And when a lot of people are saying, we don't want to add more delays more reviews. We. Don't wanna make the game more whistles and stops. The argument is not to make all of these plays automatically reviewed. It's that they now are under the purview of what can be challenged. You still have to use your timeouts and challenges wisely. You still have to have it available for you. If something agreed just like this happens, but it is allowed to be challenged. And a lot of people have argued in the past subject. A subjective judgmental calls shouldn't be included here. But fits as field rightly said last night. What's a catch is now Justice objective as what's they're going through the same checklist. So it's not any more of a judgment call. Then a lot of other things that are review -able. So as long as there is specificity when you go back to review it about what you're reviewing. I don't think there's harm in it. The problem would be if you said let me go back and review this. And then they said, oops, we missed a holding here. We didn't notice this guy step out of bounds and came back in extra player on the field. Right. It needs to be nothing. Can because I mentioned this last night a couple years ago. John FOX challenged. Benny Cunningham thinking he got a touchdown, and they called it the one. Instead he fumbled it into the end zone. It was a touchback. So his challenge took away the play altogether. And it was because while we're at it. Oh, look, we didn't even notice that. He fumbled. Right. So we don't want it to be something bad happened to our team quick. Let's challenge and see if they can find anything to make it go away. It needs to be challenging specifically that this was or was not a PI will that would align with the way the referees currently handle reviews. It should be noted. Again, I learned in the summer that when you call for view on something only that portion of it is review -able. So even if they're if they're looking at one portion of the play, and they find another penalty in the in the interim which could happen now in theory, if they're looking at a catch what what keeps them from also seeing pass interference in the play. But they're not allowed to do that. They're only allowed to look at the specific part of the play that has been challenged. So with keeping that spirit in. In place to me, it makes challenges even more valuable, and it makes coaches have to be even more considerate of when they're going to use them. Because if you if you're looking at it, and in my mind, I'm with Bill Belichick, whose long said everything should be challengeable in my mind. If in the first half you've got a big touchdown. But there was holding on tackle you don't believe tackle is holding fine use your challenge. But understand that you're using your challenge. I mean, you're gonna have so many more plays open to it coaches are going to really have to concentrate on when they wanna use challenges how they want to use challenges, and what's worth at what's not worth it. I don't see any dilemma to that in the in. The course of the game in the end the game will always be better. If it feels as though you got the call right now so created the end its benefits or Spain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Cars homes boats, motorcycles, RV's and more at Progresive dot com. Coming up what can be done to fix any of these issues? And what is the league already looked at? We'll ask former head of officiating. Mike Pereira next on Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and ESPN app Spain and. Fits. Well. We started off the season talking about how a lot of officials were retiring to go to TV a lot of young up and coming officials a lot of new rules. And we hope we wouldn't talk about it much. But it has dominated a lot of conversation this year, and none more. So than the conversation surrounding the championship games at Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio, the espionage and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance. And let's bring in an expert to talk about some potential rule changes than just how likely they might be on the shell Pennzoil performance line. We've got Fox Sports Mike Pereira. Former VP of officiating in the NFL, thanks for giving us some time. Mike we saw today that the NFL is going to look into the potential for reviewing or allowing the challenging of defensive PI's or non calls on PI's. How realistic do you think it is that this actually gets done? Well, I think is really realistic for no other reason charm Payton is on the competition committee and these come in loaded for bear. And I think what the comments that you know, that were made by the ownership group in in New Orleans to me, I think it's going to be elite discussion, and and I make there's probably was going gonna be discussion even before that is to whether maybe it needs to make reviewable plays that involve illegal use the helmets because there were too many misses with that. I do expect some change to come out of it. Now, you know, it's it's kind of senseless to go back and break down. What happened? It's an obvious miss. Everybody knows it, but you got to look forward and say, what can we do to make sure this doesn't happen again? And and I'm up the feeling that technology is getting better at a much quicker rate than officiating is, and I think we're just gonna have to realize that we're going to have to let technologies sneak into the picture a little bit more. And correct. Some of the obvious mistakes that are made and I wanna do it outside of replay. I really don't wanna do it in replay. Because there's so many stops already in the game and to have more replaced ops to me creates a real fractured game. And so I I would like to see them really sit down and discuss whether they should go from seven fficials seven officials, which they have now to eight officials call the eighth official coma sky. Judge put them in a room, you know, with the monitor he's part of the crew he's not replaying maybe can make a media corrections by getting on the communication system with the referee and say, hey, Vinny Bill vukovich, you said it they could just say I got the angle it's clearly interference. It's person goal for New Orleans at the six yard line. Make the announcement. Let's go it'll take his fifteen seconds to clear up that mistake. And may look a little funny. But I I think that's really workable. And it gets a better solution. Than trying to make everything reviewable or in this case a lot more judgment calls reviewable. But some really Don how do you reconcile saying you want more technology to be involved because it's necessary. Now that we have it with. I don't want to be technology though. I just want more people. Well, no, I want it to be technology. I want that eight guy to run the technology. I once that guy to have access to the TV view right away. And you vs on a replay got it. Okay. Yeah. Versus on a replay. And she you could you could I could take the play with the roughing the passer that was called for the hit on Tom Brady. That's not roughing the passer. I could see how it looked like it from the referee standpoint. But this crew member who just happens to be sitting somewhere other than with his feet on the grass as you know, just a quick calls. Gotta clear look that was contact with the shoulder with the arm. Not the face pick. It up gets picked up. A and we go controversy goes away. I think you could correct six things if you used a a they mechanism like this. You could correct six things in the time. It takes to correct one in a replay stoppage which always lasts three minutes. So I think it's functional timewise, and I think you correct more mistakes. And and look at nobody wants to be left with the taste that they've got. In their mouth right now. After what happened in New Orleans nobody including the officials we're talking to foxsports Mike Pereira on the shell Pennzoil performance. I'm former VP of officiating you can follow him on Twitter at Mike Pereira, Mike that might be the smartest thing I've heard about how to handle this officiating situation in a long time. So why isn't league already doing this? Well, because nobody's really talked about this before. I mean, there have been some discussion. And and you you have to look, and here's the second part of my proposal. I mean, you have to look to see, you know, what are the unintended consequences of? And they're always are some of those. So as I've said a couple of times today, I would take this this eight official, and I would I would actually do it in all sixty four games of the preseason prior to the two thousand nineteen season. And then and then I would look, and I would analyze it. I would analyze it to see how it worked what the problems might have been. And if you can take all that data and work at two. Where you could put it in. And this is what I would say don't do it for the regular season yet. Because you haven't really studied that long enough but bring it back for the playoffs in two thousand nineteen and if it all works then started in twenty twenty in the regular season. I see there's there's just so much tradition. This is the way that we've done it in the past. And m I really think we have to we have to get past that, and you know, fulltime officials. I'm just sorry. But it's abandoned that that doesn't accomplish anything you get twenty four guys and you make them full time. Well, what are they doing? They're not working anymore games. They're you know, they're going into the office once in a while to look at some video, but that's that's that's a bandmate to me. So it's time to take off the bandmate and try to try to put stitches on the wound and see if we can close the wound and do something. But you know, to me would be very constructive. Am I think this would be different and in? In. This would be an eighth member of a crew. It wouldn't be able league office employee trying to interject his opinion as to what the call might be. It would just be an official who's in about with the video capability that can run it back and quickly make your correction. You think that was a face mask? You know in the in the Rams play with the Goff running toward the goal line. I think it wasn't enough personnel. I think it was the old five yard variety. That's no longer a foul. But if it was could've easily called them. So you gotta face mask on the golf running play at the six yard line. Play ended at the four penalize it to the two on where we go and a mistake gets corrected. So I think it's doable. Talking to Mike Pereira Spain and fits you can follow him at my prayer on Twitter. We saw an official actually get let go mid season was pretty rare and surprising to see what if anything do you think will happen to the officials in the saints Rams game that blew this. Call and do you think the NFL needs to be poor transparent about grades and such after? Something like this at least to appease people's anger a little bit oil. Listen, everybody knows the call was wrong. I mean, and you know, they haven't made a public statement yet. And I don't think they really necessarily need to because everybody knows it was wrong, and Sean Payton was told that that it was wrong. And agreed that relayed that information to everybody look at. Here's what I feel like is that these officials three of them, by the way, cause any three of them could have made the call the you Byrom. I know you you don't look at their their their work is gauged on their fifteen weeks. If the preseason bet they work they get a couple of weeks off their their whole entire season work was so good that put him on tier one. So that they actually qualified to work a Super Bowl, but it turned out they got the championship game in instead. So you have these m I know I know all three of them were while they are really good officials who I think got caught up with a sub consciousness of not wanting to make. Ticky tack call at a big part of the game. And it all happens very fast. And I think they got a little complacent, and they just missed it. So do you fire them for missing the judgment, call that you get rid of the three and then bring in three other people that aren't nearly as good as they are. Then you hurt your overall program? Do you find them ten thousand dollars and then at the result? Then are they going to get back to being more technical and call more fouls? Look at everybody makes mistakes. Do you let the Ford go you fire him because he lined up so far upside which cost Kansas City the game because of the interception that was taken away. I mean, these officials, and I know because I did it. I choke so bad in a playoff game when Denver and the chiefs played in ninety seven I've missed the most blatant illegal contact call that when a win against Denver, quite frankly. And I'll never forget that. And these guys are so into a fishing. We all are that when we make these blatant? Mrs like, this you couldn't you go ask them you could ask anyone of these three guys twenty years from now, what was the greatest call you'd ever made. And they'll say, you know, and I don't know. But I can tell you what my worst one, right? It was the no call Jim Shuki. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's no consolation for anybody in New Orleans. But I I on one mistake. I especially since it wasn't even you know. It's not a rule interpretation or enforcement. It was a judgment call. I would not I would not resort anything serious. Hey, Mike before we let you go. We are running out of time. So this has to be yes, or no, which is such an unfair thing to ask you Carter. Artemio? But go ahead. Do you think the NFL will change their overtime rules of the next five years? No, awesome stuff. Hey, thanks for your insight. Mike, really predate it yourself. Sports. Mike Pereira on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. Coming up we have four new hall of famers in baseball and spoiler alert, the first unanimous player ever. Coming up on Spain bits me till you without Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let him stay on the ice by some nights. He even slept in its hockey skates. Pete practiced and practiced unto one day when he was forty seven Pete realized he just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of the NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out Spain and fits this sport. Oh sphere. Which is something. I invented last night. Finally, got it. Right. The first unanimous entry into the baseball hall of fame. None of those old stink in rules. None of this is the way it's always been done. Let's do it the way it should be done. Let's get it. Right. The first. The I finally we'll get into that Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel eighty Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz, and yes, this is a cause for serious celebration for Maryono Rivera. We'll get to that. We'll get to that saved the balloons. We'll be there in a moment. Oh, there's blouse kicking ice cream to always can't have a party without cake. But also ROY halladay Edgar Martinez. Mike Mussina all elected into the baseball hall of fame today. We're going to have Tim Kirk on by the way shortly to talk about all of this put into perspective each of these guys what they did. And why they made it. But while we're on the topic of the voting Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds made little gains up from fifty seven point three percent. And fifty six point four percent last year to fifty nine point five and fifty nine point one. They've got three years left on the ballot. And fits a lot are saying that those tiny gains. Are letting us know that it's probably not going to happen. Although I wouldn't completely rule out a total seachange in thinking because we've seen it happen. With other aspects of sports where all of a sudden there was a big enough push that people who seem so set on something we're manage to be moved off their spot. Sure, I think all eyes are going to be on Clemens and bonds, and how this continues to grow. But it does seem like with that small jump time heals all wounds, not this one, right? I mean, that's that's what we continue to see. I don't feel better about it today than I did a year ago. And funny thing is they we've been together. Now long enough that I remember last year having these conversations about Clemens and bonds, and and what it was gonna mean moving forward. I don't know that the answers have changed for me at this point. I think the voters are still making a statement by keeping them where they are especially in a year where frankly if you read about these hall of fame inductees that we have now you're talking about four beloved guys the that all have great back stories, and it's like this feel good store. And then, you know, out of the side of the deal like going Clemens and bonds are also there too. So it's a it's just a weird situation that will hang over the hall of fame voting process for the next three years. Yeah. And I think like like we mentioned the experts will say if it's that small of a gain it's not likely, and so we might be every year getting continued referendum on how people feel about the steroid era. And specifically the the biggest names of it. Spain fit sarahspain Jason Fitz, but let's get back to Rivera because you just heard that sound coming in that was his five hundred save when he started his career. There was no such thing as a five hundred save man. And there certainly was no such thing as the six hundred save man, he ended up with six hundred fifty two saves in the regular season. Forty two more in the postseason and Fitz. I will give you a thousand guesses as to what the dollar amount he signed with the Yankees for out of his native Panama nineteen ninety was unfortunately already looked it up. So. Cheap. But I do think it's an incredible number might be the craziest number twenty five hundred. That's the he's bonus. He signed for out of Panama, and you wanna talk about a value under this. And I think one of the biggest dances, we sort of look at it and put it into context. His hall of fame vote is the postseason ERA in ninety six games point seven. I mean, you just think about point seven it reminds you why is the first time hall of Famer. Yeah. Let me give you a couple more because I found a great story from right after he retired that just gives you a a little bit more context. One hundred and forty one postseason innings that he pitched and he gave up a total of eleven earned runs. There have been twelve people to be on the moon. More people that have been on the moon, then he gave up earned runs in one hundred forty one post season innings. He was in thirty two postseason series over sixteen different Cobres, and he pitched a five hundred twenty seven hitters of those five hundred twenty seven to got to hit a home run sandy Alamar junior in ninety seven Jay Payton in two thousand after the two thousand World Series in which he gave a Homer to Jay Payton three hundred nine more hitters came to the plate against him in the postseason. They combined for zero home runs. He made fifty eight postseason appearances of more than one inning and allowed an earn run in six of them his era and those games of more than one inning and postseason point five three. Lord. He had forty four saves at the age of forty three saves by all other pitchers since the creation of the modern save rule at age forty three or older to more than he had alone. Forty six. I mean, the stats are they go on and on and they never cease to amaze. What does amaze is that finally finally baseball got it, right? Thank you. Now, drop the balloons. Gimme the confetti. Thank you the cake and the ice cream. I was so sick of it. And every year, I'm so sick of hearing to way, it's always been done. Somebody's going to say not on the first ballot low not unanimously. And finally, someone was so great. And of course, it was a Yankee. But someone was so great that they that they broke the rules that they said, let's stop doing things just because they've always been done that way and very anyone just tuning in. I think that's the most important part of this Mariana Rivera the first player ever to be unanimously voted into the hall. I mean, that's a statement to done it on his first attempt at the ballot. I mean that just shows you overwhelmingly in this instance, the writers went in and the the voters went in. And they did what was easy right in front of them. They did the right thing, right. Finally is too much for me to say, ooh, maybe their willingness to break. This unwritten rule of baseball means that we'll start to stop talking about the other unwritten rules and doing stupid stuff that makes no sense. Just 'cause it's always been done. One step at a time, sir. All right wants to Spain bit Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz. ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance. More with Kirk coming up on the MLB hall of fame. But straight ahead a dilemma. Facing some Rams fans or more accurately. Former Rams fans coming up next pain in Spain and Fitz beta fit, Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz with you on ESPN radio the espionage up and Sirius XM channel eighty when we get back to the baseball stuff because Tim Kirk cousins gonna enlighten us on many things but getting back to football for a minute. Sometimes like, for instance, when the official pro shop for the chargers sends out an Email that says get your ficials San Diego Chargers merchandise, even though they're now the LA chargers, sometimes it takes a while to adjust to a team moving or maybe it takes a while to understand the nuances and intricacies of a fan base who lost their team to another city and really get a feel for whether or not they're in the mood for a joke and bring this up here on Spain and fits because Southwest Airlines thought they were being clever, and maybe appealing to fans of of a variety of cities of, but maybe they have a little. Something to learn about NFL relocation because they sent out a what they thought was a clever tweet that said is your team headed to the big game. We've added extra flights between the home cities and AT L parentheses that includes us Saint Louis, and it did not go well, actually deleted it. Because that's how much there was outcry from Saint Louis fans as many fans as might still be sticking with the Rams despite them leaving fits a whole lot of Rams fans that they'd rather watch paint dry. Well, and I gotta feel like sightless I feel like southwest was being opened. They're like, hey, then glued you everybody. Come one, come all. Like that's one of those moments where you feel like ROY. They said specifically we've added extra flights between the home cities and AT L. That includes you Saint Louis, not, you know, I get this. I just feel like whoever runs the social media. There might not be a big football fan might not understand what it means to lose a franchise. Because again for south west, it's either that or it was just really like an awful awful awful joke because Saint Louis is rightfully, you know, they're angry, and I can't blame them. I mean, it's it's hard when you've spent your entire life. You know for so many people rooting for team. And then the team has just taken away from you. And look we have the argument all day long about. Why teams relocate and and what they're looking for? And what's not being provided, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, what you have a lot of fans that have spent money time energy and fandom rooting for the the Rams in Saint Louis that are now watching this saying, what might have been what could have been and they're watching this team and as much as they may have seen this coming doesn't make it hurt any less if you live in Saint Louis, and you were Rams fan. Yeah. I remember feeling bad for a specifically Chris long because he had been on the Rams for a while during the lean years and living in Saint Louis, and then he's off the team when they moved to L A and start winning and I wasn't poor guy. But he went to the eagles. He won a Super Bowl. I was fine. The fans on the other hand are stuck in St Louis without a team. And it does sound like there are certainly a handful of Saint louisianans sate loosens losing Louis ins people from the St Louis we'll be watching the game. But a lot of them. Mm are saying. They would literally rather watch paint dry anything but the game. And I guess let's put it out on the one eight hundred flowers dot com. Twitter poll at sarahspain at Spain and Fitz at Jason Fitz. We always try to do this people who are not from Saint Louis will certainly vote anyway. But let's see if we can just ask Saint Louis vans. Are you did you stick with the Rams? Are you going to cheer for them? Or are you going to watch? Or when the when the Rams left you did you leave them. And this is a specific very interesting case because I the the Rams had to leave LA for Saint Louis. Right. So they stole somebody's spouse. Right. And then that's got stolen back. Are you as angry if you know you stole it? I well, I think that that's part of one of the interesting parts of LA in their phantom LA's to liberators town. Right but LA stole the raiders from Oakland in theory. And then Oakland stolen back. And so like there's this. But at least they're close, you know, you can get from one to the other pretty easily when you're talking about L A to Saint Louis to LA. I mean, it's not like you can just hop. A southwest flight. Most Sundays and say, all right. I'm going to go check out the game. Like, that's not really a possibility for you. So if you're in Saint Louis, even if you stole him, you still like you had this generation where you watch it. And then you've got the greatest show on turf. And you had this whole like Kurt Warner era in it. It just sort of the city could come around it and embrace it. And I got nothing, and you don't really feel like you've got great hopes for an NFL team coming back to you. So you've gotta decide you're either gonna root against the rent. Like, do you just throw away all your ram stuff for you that hurt? And so it is curious for me. And it's also curious for me because they've got to be Rams fans that have no affiliation to either city. Right. There's gotta be Rams fans that are just living in Florida. And you just for whatever reason maybe your dad was van your mom van you grew up Rams fan. Right. Like, I don't know where those fans fall in this either. So it gets really touchy for van base when your city when your city loses the team. Yeah. It's benefit Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio. You know, it's also I have a friend that was a friend of mine that I met when I lived out an LA, and he was a Rams fan. And I said, I mean, you're twenty something at the time, you know, they were never around for my grandpa was a Rams fan when they were the LA Rams. And I grew up rooting for them some stick with them. So I'm happy for him. Because he he he followed it all the way round full circle. Right. He was willing to root for them when they weren't right in front of him. And now they are. And so it's a little more fun that they're experiencing this success. So it's a little more complicated because of the circular nature of their journey, but we're gonna get into a later in the show, whether you wanna stick with your team, even when it's no longer in your city, but I put up the poll for Saint Louis fans. Did you stick with the Rams when they left or did you denounce your phantom? It's very early only a couple of votes, but sixty two. Percent said Rams are dead to me thirty eight percents that still my team. So we'll give you an update on that. When we get a little further into the voting, and we'll talk about it. You know, if your NFL team left, you would just stick with them wherever they went. And does it matter whether you're getting another team in their place? We'll put a couple of polls up on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed. You can give us your answers coming up. Marianna rivera. The first unanimously voted whole of Famer Willie be the only one or is this going to start a change for good. We'll talk Tim Kirch in next on Spain. Infants.

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I think everybody would agree I it's just a point so you've got one standard and that's the way the officials look at it on the field in real time and then you have a second standard which something in in this pass interference rule and we've adopted we've adopted a second standard and that's the real problem with the rule here in replay we're trying to find something as big as Roby Coleman or whatever his name is from last year in the championship team that big and so behind the scenes of the seats is just absolutely is there such a dumb life reliving thankful you're following along we got more great shit from this week but also they can't figure it out at all And and I I agree with you it's a it's a failure and to me it's just a question of cow Williams in the first hour was not happy about it you're not happy about it in second hour I will make this up to you I promise and I'm so thankful you joined us this morning because the world has but it has every coach you know going crazy every fan going crazy my favorite group of fifty drunks in a bar that is how replay looks at it and they look at it by saying well yeah it's past interference but it doesn't rise to the level of what we're looking for even after you screwed me and that Celebrity Golf tournaments thing away I couldn't have finished in the top five on that you manipulated the outcome I didn't get it gotta start over again I got out of bed took her shower comb my hair put my Ford the brand t shirt on so I could go on facetime and you can see it role has come into play for review and they think it's a lot harder than people think and they knew that discussions and disagreements we're gonNA come about do you agree with that or is this replay to me had no business getting into that but it did and so we look at plays and say well he took two steps but he had it long enough not if but when they change it and and to me the changes rather simple you get rid of this clear and obvious has to change whether it's now coming out of this meeting or whether it's week seventeen or the playoffs but I think rich mccade that a subjective rule has come into play into replay my God that's that's the way we set it up in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine it was all the be based on facts grounds lines planes getting into the playoffs it's going to really crash if it happens in the Super Bowl and you know a a play happens and at the pass interference planet just Kinda politely said we're just GONNA wait a couple more weeks to know what we already know that it's not working last year the helmet rule was the GM's I think they understand that because they they are and somebody said they're like a pilot at thirty thousand feet you know try and this rule that has been added in expectations have been set that it's going to get corrected and it just hasn't happened rich McKay came out just yesterday and said that this is the first time a subjective eh fly a plane without an abrogation system well that plane's going to crash if this happens in nineteen and and and it's it keeps team for crashed off the board this year in the first three weeks we had one hundred seventy nine holding calls because there was a point of emphasis backside holding it was ridiculous how many he's giving no answers there's no accountability I would assume behind closed doors oh real conversations are happening to hopefully fix this problem that is taking over the pop culture lexicon bucks it did it in a dish inal twenty percent off your first monthly box when he signed up bed box of awesome dot com and enter code heartland at checkout that's ooh Julia agreed use it is or isn't and then every coach would understand that I think then the fans and the owners this call and then all of a sudden they said now you don't want this don't want this hey let's not overreact to this and boom the numbers fell off the cliff in week three and then yeah well that's what that's pretty good too by the way I think look we gotta look back at history just in this short two year period when they even though we're GONNA we're looking at slow motion we're going to check not the first time that we've gotten involved with subjectivity but what it is you know to me we've taken some holding calls we had with the officials doing what they were told to do by the way and then they have a conference call with the referees and the committee was involved and boom now most of his body weight on top the quarterback and we had all these calls and after we do conference call again and say we got a redirect this point of emphasis and the number sound like excuses from Richmond K for Berta River on making mistakes and that review booth. Well I don't believe that the statement is true I mean for one thing you can't say that this is the first time and agreed GIS and you look at it in replay just like you would look at it as an official it either is or isn't it doesn't have to be I have plucked the best refs out of the NFL now granted no fault of yours or no fault of Blandino or John It doesn't get reviewed and the League's as well yeah we knew it was pass interference but it didn't rise to that level it's it's it's GonNa Change that they're talking about that now can they make this adjustment It was a rule change so could could the commissioner to step in and say we see the standard chains beginning on Thursday night in Denver where I'll be on Fox Thursday night football okay and for the plugs it's what is happening in this week this meeting where Burqa River on talking to the competition committee what is happening behind closed doors there's give a little peek inside of that because outside I don't know for sure I'm anxious to find out what the real conversation is I mean they're not liable to tell me but the the you will be able to figure it out and entertainment standpoint well I mean I think the answer is rather simple I mean they they need to be thought of that they have more value than what they have now I mean they just signed as a TV analyst for being referee expert is a lot better than being an actual ref is there any way that the NFL. I don't think there's a lot of good refs out there you don't have to say I'll say it then just last year if you remember Clay Matthews like come on every time he like took a breath on a quarterback they call them for landing with I would assume for a much better life and to be a voice of the game how does the NFL in the future keep the good refs on the field as opposed to going and making the game better stories or jeans territor all elite referees have all been plucked by TV networks. I I would assume I don't WANNA get into your financials but I would assume life did a a rule for the playoffs which he did with the clock several years ago so there's powers to change things there but I don't what I used to work they're gonNA try to cut my salary for God's sake but they just they never have been valued and and and I get it because it's a negative nothing the topic of discussion I mean in early the rest were just flow thrown flags and everything I mean it was mass chaos basically and then this meeting happened in everything changed from that we've had them last three weeks less holding calls when we had even last year so adjustments can be made and and I'm sure eh you're gonNA take it and then I thought that's a stupid question I'm going into my option you're with Fox and for only ten percent of positive comes from officiating they don't generate any money with the league they're a huge expense to a league by the way that values its money and and how it's GonNa be interesting now you've become an incredible TV guy which Matt Hasselbeck and I have had conversations at length about this I think the TV networks coward on the heard I said you know if somebody comes to you and offers you more money and the the work is only ten percent of what you do in your other in your job you're GonNa have more first second or third year referees than you have referees have been doing it for fifteen to twenty years so it's it's it's Super Bowl until you've worked five full years this is a tough job and now you have seven out of seventeen referees either in their first year or second and Oh this stretch of subjectivity has pretty much every coach flummoxed like to use that word by way I kind of intellectual hey hey you know in the best interest of the game we're going to pull this rule theoretically he could has it happened not really he's added officiating is set up right now is working and I don't think bandaids do anything but he'll cut I think the League and I wish they will takes a while to adjust to the speed and the you know the technical aspects of becoming a referee it that's why for example you can't work brought this illegal use of the helmet thing on you know on as a new rule in the first two weeks of the preseason everytime guy made a tackle it was called and then they had a conference by the way I fucking chewed out for that on twitter some lady wants to Stanford who's obviously much smarter indefinitely wealthier than I Tories and the Perry's leaving you know I can't ever remember and I'm sure historically other than the first two years of existence of the national they make the clubs so it's the values the values not there but when you when you have this like you say I mean you just look at the fact of in a ten great leadership when you have somebody coming in constantly that has a new style a new thought and then of course you have the McCauley's and the stairs collective bargaining agreement with the officials in and the officials seem to be happy with that but when somebody and I said this mistakenly on with Collin headed as it is to be a good rough it takes a lot you gotta be good politician you have to be a good communicator you have to be able to think fast you have to do a lot of things in a lot of the good refs are going to TV networks would and and I wish they would step back and say okay it's time to essentially blow it up and figure out what we can do to make it in your period they've had four different heads of officiating I mean they went for me Carl Johnson the Dean Blandino now our river on that's not that's not you're a representation of wrath so you say I think I'll break the river on his Dunkin his job I think a lot of people on the field have stunk at their jobs but I don't think we're giving a lot of people as much no football league where you have seven referees seven that are either in their first or second year I mean it it takes it now you have a new collective bargaining agreement which has offered a retirement incentive benefit a one year benefit to those that have twenty years a it's an issue and I think that you know I've said this many times before I don't think the structure of the way the better and think outside the box could that be the eighth official Sky Judge in my opinion yes could it be making all seventeen for more in the league so we could seem more referees leave and and then create you know that that young paradigm where freeze full time during the season where they meet at an officiating institute right after their games and they do everything together Evalu- you wait everything together proposed rule changes do all these things together and then they go out on Saturdays to their crews with consistent messages about that but with the new CBA that's been signed I don't know if that could even happen at this point but again it's it's out of the box thing with the referees but they'll improve so much quicker if they were all together and that would take financial commitment there's no question in contact limited contact and and not real speed I I've never I don't I don't see the value there I do see it for the referees though but it's a different game and if you had an institute where they had to go to you know for the seventeen weeks or twenty one weeks county in preseason that they had to go to every week and work together they would have improved at a rate four times faster than they approve that any talks about you know they're gonNA hire a new training development vice president which is good and they have ad hoc yearly you know in a part time basis working there's great value I mean I don't think there's great value and making everybody fulltime but I do think there is in the referees look at you know they can go outside and work on cars hit with clear is you know when you're doing it there's so much to do your is your I don't go from left to right they just go straight ahead see the light of day well I think you're incredible in your little dream world I mean you did screw yourself in negotiations by saying they can cut your salary in half and I say this I think the officials top to bottom the entire group is better but I think the officiating is not and and I think there's a lot with what I really thought when people ask me the question is officiating better the same or worse back when you weren't official and And when I ran the program first year guys in in my issue with it is is you know the guy maybe yeah he did some maybe did some refereeing in college most of them now have taking that I think they need to do and you know they need to use who they need to consult with quite frankly are those that have done this before and and you know they're they're honestly the referees or your brightest guys and they make good choices on who's going to be the referee but if you if you take the US even you think that most of these referee stink is that accurate no I here's what I say here's what I say I finally I had to come to grips rose did you know that in Nascar the pit crews they just plucked college athletes that don't make it to the NFL college football players that don't make it to the NFL NASCAR pit crews plucked then you don't you don't see sometimes the big picture but I live in a dream world now I guess in and I I'm not sure that that will ever see may improve now when they're basically just put out there and they have a limited number of training now that a limited amount of training the new CBA tough but nobody you gotta think outside the box here I agree I propose is a fantasy world and you kinda just went through it all I them they have them come live in an area they have a weight room they have a chef they have filmed they have everything like that that could very easily happen with officiating could it not well I I don't think that that's the the Perez and that's the blame Dino's and and that's the those are those are the people who have been through it but now they see eh do actual perfect simulations if you're talking about NASCAR pit crews you can't you can't get going to practices during the week where there vitiate and be held accountable for what he does hell this this old communication system they're making decisions for them put the adjuster gene has gotten so big in a lot of the areas that I think it's taken away some of your ability to basically take control of the game and and overall ah very dumb Mike I mean you watch pawn stars everybody knows you can't give it away stuff like that publicly I gave you I gave you like ten of my best signed for just those seven guys talking together and so when a guy calls a pass interference penalty thirty yards downfield referee doesn't have to run all the way down bridge I apologize for interrupting this trade of awesome from this past week but I have to tell you that dodgy the trimmer that won't nick or snag your nuts ever completely nick proof somehow my life completely change for the better whatever your man scaping sometimes you can have that worry that what little sip of the fingers of the hand there with that razor aww reasoning including all this damn technology that we're using now both in video and in communication I think it's hurt the ability of the official too I think it's hurt officiating as a as a whole well Mike Prayer I can't thank you enough you just learn me a lot I feel like every time I talked to you I'm entertained in for you couldn't even get me on facetime well listen if I was to build the studio again which I did I built studio we are in it's right next to K. One oh two point has somehow defied science I shave technology is something you need in your life the lombards point is also one hundred percents waterproof and shocker shots ever and I get screwed out of the prizemoney for that that was a damn for the brand black T. shirt which I was wearing to show today New York is on that system they've expanded what they can do in terms of spot fouls and penalty enforcements downs you know the safety net proficient assistant precision tools for your family Joel's your balls will thank you get twenty percent off and free shipping and a free remake the announcement I'm Bruce Arians gets upset and he says what did you call on the other side of the field and I used to have to say well the next time out I'll go inside the game or outside the three play guy right they've got a they got a system that's called the O. Two O- official to official I was for the system because it was designed landscapes dot com it's a mind blower thing honestly like whenever you do it you're gonna be like Yep he was right failed to get the number you could just click on your your microphone until the Referee Pass interference on number twenty three ball at the twenty one yard line first and ten he's on a facetime and there are two poodles outside caused three poodles going to town in the open area they're good for you lavar clipper whatever you use you do one little nick or what little cut you think you're going to bleed out sometimes likely Fox sports is lucky to have you ladies and Gentlemen Mike Pereira thank you might see a man he was incredible right there oh ask him now you clicked on your thing and say what you have the guys that I had holding at the top of the route and he tells areas okay you're done great communication but now the replay guy is on that system Alad settled abode. I would make sure that it was able to have facetime because I wished the world can see your beautiful face I can't thank you enough for joining joining us and can I can I say that's just crazy manscaping dot com code hats back to we will now be joined by a man travel back with the Code Pat at Manscaping Dot Com that's man S. C. A. P. Dot Com Code Pat at he was a three time pro bowler two time all pro all American Buckets Award Winner Bednarik Award winner you know him as soon as who is maybe the greatest physical specimen to ever walk this earth traded something called the all mammal team I never made it I wish I would pain be too much too delicate area that's why whatever I found out about landscapes lawn mower two point zero with skid safe your flag from the forty two to the thirty eight that's the spot of the foul we had to do that ourselves back in those doing it hold on hold on chiefs game the guy goes to his ears that somebody from you know I ended up having a kid and and I guess the one thing that really hit me was my hair was making me feel like Sampson every different debates as to why but when you look at all the coaches that have come they're all the players all the names that have people to misinterpret I've I've said for years it's Dan Snyder all right but I don't want people to Misinterpret Ziam Ladies and Gentlemen Lavar Arrington yeah pretty armed in most impressive are most important impressed with everything that you do I hope you get a new big contract that gives you a big check that you have to take on big bank although it doesn't sound like that's associated with them the GM's a you name it there's nothing left back like what else can you look at ranch is it's just it's just that there has to be a learning curve that eventually is realized if Nicholas man it's ridiculous but I enjoyed it it's fun it keeps us all connected you know what I mean naked I cut my hair pat because in his prime at Washington or to redskins right that wouldn't even be enough to make that a better team that's a big deal oh all mammal on these little dog out here so crazy we'll look at this look at what's going on in my community my whole body was it the first time try to hear it was just incredible though fear of cots just the if the the culture of that place is is going to improve and and be a culture of of winning you know there's been so many he's Dan Snyder the providence when everybody says redskins are this terrible organization what are your thoughts on hold thanks for being inside of it listen I don't want or or I was going to be like really having like nineteen kids running around suspect that good looking man it's him being that it's a horrible place it's not a horrible place it's not a horrible franchises a historical and say you know what it might be this coach it might be disc layer like a maginness right if pat McAfee went and played something that he had going on medically it just seems to be the same stuff to rg three fiasco you you look at wait wait the Lavar perfect knock it out quickly right now the perfect package two point oh kit that features the laudner two point Oh with skit safety is to organize sports oh I feel like it's a it's a necessary evil and some ways that to add them obvious they say what happens in the power ups but you gotTa have very on top of a year that has been riddled with terrible 'cause what are your take on the whole thing and how do you fix it you think reps have always been a nemesis I say it in a way like think about Trent Williams right that's your best maybe the best offense alarming since the hogs to pay play for your your organization he doesn't want yeah and so I was I was getting carried away with the whole idea of the strength was in my hair and so I had to do I had to make a change without dreads let's talk about the Washington redskins a team that you know a little bit about they'll sumed these are they seem to be in such an interesting situation over there safety comes first and and so holding calls different so so it was always the defense got all these these calls right referees that to manage the game I always thought referees were supposed to manage the game's not not shave the wide you cut the threats that was such a signature look for you for so long I think it was all the way down to your ankles at one point the river and and and and I'm about to go a good one at that basically sealed the game there are a couple of times form tried his best in a phantom handsome face call happened but this is just the fighting a battle where participation and you know health concerns surrounding the game coacher dot and it's a horrible organization I'm just saying that the culture of it needs to change Brazilians dumbed down even WanNa be there he doesn't WanNa come back he feels like you know he's been abandoned he feels and I don't want to speak for him but you know he feels like he was misdiagnosed with with in the MOM's living room they're trying to make it seem like this is a game that is being monitored and being officiated in a way where players dictate them and I think that's where I think that's where refereeing has has kind of gotten to now they dictate the games and or concerns and more backlash and fallout from watching equality product. That's interesting to me that you make that Capitol Hill reference because Ah baby for the brand pretty good little show there for you you liked that I liked Manda Mammal deal you know them all day baby I do I address it through on the failed trying to address it through two referees and I don't I don't I think it's it's failing I think it's creating they're trying to legislate the game on the field the same way they're trying to legislated on Capitol Hail or in there would probably be total anarchy I probably dropped kicking played and in between their legs Errington all yeah look at so many different things that have happened within that organization you can't say that it's a good I was like I don't need you thinking for me okay if I want to put the seat belt on put to Sea Peron it does feel as if in the NFL where they're like we're going to think for the players safety for but now you're seeing more offensive calls coming coming down the pipe I just think that they're they're facing a a player safety crisis and they're trying take on next these are all things you've thought of I feel as if you don't have to make the seat belt rule where you have to wear your seatbelt come I can make that decision Berkman read where C and and that's I don't think that's good for the game and it's definitely like your shirt said it's not good for the brain a greater hiding a lot of kids need all the lanes about about put one in my crib at one point John but my kids are like real destructive bots so right but don't dictate whether the ball gets a strike or not are you a good bowler or no I you do I thought they were there to manage the game they're like art rails right you're not dictating whether whether you get a strike or not we're going to start making calls for them whether they want him not it does feel like they're kind of overreaching what they originally were intend to do I think they're governing About think about think about that and so for me I just when I say it's the owner the game they're not managing the game they're running the gay and that's that's that's not what am I add my assumption my estimation I don't think that that's what referees were intended underappreciated freak athlete of all time never gets brought up the Var Arrington name never gets brought up when they're talking about best athletes of all time and I would say as a pure we're setting up a we're sitting up in the nose bleeds Iro never forget it when I saw the human I thought was human fly over they're they're better ways to do this and I only see it now because I've been out for a long time I know what our river on's going through it's now I was pretty good man not third not anymore I haven't I I told you man I was making too many kids dishes stuffing you know I it's it's hard man it's not easy to find a way to survive though yeah I think you should as a host of a show that is being heard by humans probably in their cars you should wear your seatbelt Emmanuel you are I was at the game where you jumped over the entire line I was at the game I just happened to go with one of my friends from Blah who's a penn state alum that's a lifetime ago I don't even really I'll really stunt off of of being viewed that way anymore my whole thing is like what you're doing I Uh-huh to go bowling by the entire entire bowling alley this group intact immediately then you get the NFL same old thing then we start reading stats attend eight hundred you could want the North Carolina to play basketball you just I've had to try to figure out a way to live like a good productive life with kids that ruin break everything break it break all your you don't have to say I'll say okay speaking of dumb dumbs these rafts men are still in the show last night a pass rusher trey flowers everything was a kids game to you about like an I don't think he could talked about enough what stat am I missing that that I didn't mention they're they're not there's no missing stats just make sure the ball doesn't go in the gutter bumper races out of shape of bumpers right cheapest outer keep us out of the gutter it did it did it ought to deal with let's talk about you being the most needed that's pretty cool man that's that's pretty cool I I don't know it's like itself but when they made a one shield mad when they made my name when they made that law I felt like being smart was the reason why so athletic I always say his mind over matter anytime that I wanted to do something you know so funny I I used to dunk the I want to be respected for my mind and the opinions and the thoughts that I bring to the table to create stimulating conversations but always yeah people tend to think when you not just put a post on my g talking about retired the word hater you know find a different word than hater it's two thousand formulate a thought and if your thought ends with hater to me that's almost like using profanity unnecessarily right it's a lack of dictation it's a it's a lack of showing you know a grasp of what it is that's being discussed now I'm not saying in two thousand twenty use a different word other than hater I just always feel light when you come up with things that are thought provoking some people on a fall in line and agree some people are not going to agree some people are GonNa be indifferent but when you're looking at it you still take the time to actually it is there's so much going on in the world that if you actually have something interesting enough about you where somebody forms an opinion about you then sad to to actually think that you could stimulate enough emotion and thought through something that was a created you know with where my wrist was on the top of the white banking square that is a claim to fame so I was pretty athletic man I'd say thanks in your brain Kinda Kinda interesting to me and to be able to do it over and over again is is people I use it purely let you know like I'm showing my teeth like you know like be afraid of me right now that's why I'm cursing well I wanNa let you know I hope I don't make occur did a few things but it doesn't it if I can't see the next generation of guys learn from me and do it the best very very upset so when that curse word comes out if usually very quick it's very sharp and then it's done you know I don't use it for educational purposes you've done something pretty phenomenal and that's that's I kinda I enjoy that you know if you can make somebody laugh or you can make somebody mad or you can make somebody I don't curse because I have cars I am a cursor but I just feel like when I curse I really want you to know that I am oppressed with your brain and you could this is not a shot at anybody I'm a different personality I think it's because we're both from Pittsburgh you you and I could keep up with each other you know what I mean and Bentsen me that I could actually get high enough to dunk with my elbows Nah never pull it all but I did I actually did get high enough on the backboard that perogie juice that big bird it develops your your brain cells a little quicker. CBS Like what are you still doing work with the NFL network I used to see you on tv all the time now I don't get to watch television as much in every time I got to share the screen with you I was always so that's the reason why we're we are able to to buy on the same level Bro and that's you know that's that's just what it is man sometimes sometimes they're people stimulating debate on TV as well or do you enjoy the whole process or or you are do because you know think about it can you know hugging and telling your kid you love 'em and stuff like that but I think it was pro ghee juice mixed with a Washington down with icy light I hope I can have you back on the show again we have to get to a break he's gentlemen incredibly intelligent freak athlete and not a hater of the delete since appearing on our podcast two Fridays ago they've been undefeated they performed very well I like Joe flacco let's say Joe Flacco gets becoming an MVP candidate do you put Cam Newton back in the game in potentially ruin the little Mojo they've got going since he's left with his liz frank injury he's back he's yeah some things you just have to be from there to understand it do you enjoy working on the TV or do you think they you said you liked to stimulate conversation has that Cam Newton would be picked up by at least ten teams in the NFL if he was put on the trading block with talent continue to dominate in Christian McCaffrey then it it really was offer night anyway but I appreciate I appreciate proper so I mean that's always nice when somebody shows you a little love on which did no pre tripped Cam Newton's happiness from him in that super bowl if he was able to go out there and do well a lot of quarterbacks who can do well in Denver we'll get welcome back like the heroes haters Lavar

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REShow: Guest Host Kirk Morrison and Mike Pereira. Hour 3 (03-22-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Hour number three here on the rich Eisen show. Thanks for rocking with us on this Friday. The second day opening round of the turnament. No, everybody listening to us right now. You're kind of figuring out. Okay. How's my bracket doing? Well. My bracket is doing. Well. I don't know about yours. I'm thirteen and three. But right now the Cincinnati in Iowa game. This kind of got me one I on there and one guy one I looking at you guys because I for sure need a Cincinnati to take on. Cincinnati upsetting Tennessee in the next round. Oh, I'm dangerous. Tennessee pick to the final four is looking day of reckoning everybody. Right. Villanova to the elite eight against Virginia chance. It's hard. It's hard to knock out the champ. Because you go from being the hunters to the hunted. Right. We always say, but you know, obviously the game last night in terms of Wofford beaten down Seton Hall, everybody's fallen in love with uaw-ford. Now, they're twenty one game win streak job Mirant joining the likes of and I can't stop saying all the names that job Morandi point guard or the guard for Murray state and their win last night over Marquette he joins. That's right. John Moran joins this group of illustrious. Great basketball players in Dwayne wait Shaquille. O'neal Magic Johnson artists. Kio more Oscar Robertson Cole Audrey stray mongering. I mean, it's only been night. He became the ninth player in NC, double A, turnament hissed. History to record a triple double. Like that is an awesome. I said table to sit at to know that your name will go down in history because thing about I I would expect it it'll been more. But to think how all the tournaments has been around to say only nine players have been able to record a triple double. And it was like a monster shooting night at the he only shot the ball. Maybe I think about ten times, maybe if that he only scored seventeen points, but it was the eleven rebounds, sixteen assists. And we knew going into the game that he was the, you know, the leader in assists for college basketball this year. But washing him kind of take over last night. Steal the headlines. Start to say, wow. You look for to the NBA draft coming up because we all were all on Zion. Now, you see John Moran you saying well could he play for my team? Just funny. How knee-jerk we all get? Well, you start to put them in your uniform, though, the same thing with the NFL draft, right? Always talking about for months and months and months designed Williamson he sits sits out he boils a shoe comes back dominates the ACC tournament. Clear over one is he the next LeBron. Well Walker and then one game John ran is a triple double all our, you know, they're talking about could you take John Marin number one. No. Pick. Okay. Then BA is going to rig the drafts of the Knicks the first pick and zions going into York, and then Kevin Durant. Go into New York. The Knicks are back, Mike. Barack goes to the sons and he teams up with Devon Booker and the. Super exciting for just signed. Sons are this year's kings. All yes. Speaking of Denver for debt side, and today what other news you got over there, broccoli the news? You got the news right now. And now with a special live report rock men with the news news today. Brought to you guys the Honda dream garage. Spring of ent- where you can get a great deal on the Honda of your dreams. Available Honda sensing loads of hi tech features. You won't want to miss out on these deals so head to your Woeckel Honda dealer today. Okay. So we've been talking about it all day. We're going to talk about it with Mike Pereira in about fifteen minutes NFL rule proposals for next coming season that the competition committee and the NFL owners will vote on. So here we go. So the first big proposal will add fouls for pass interference to the whistle. Reviewable plays. So now any pass interference call on the field. You can review the second would include fouls for pass interference. But also add fouls for roughing the passer and unnecessary hits to a defenseless receiver. So there's two proposals to add to replace. So just passing. Fearance and then another separate one that includes pass interference and roughing the passer and defenseless receiver hits. And then another one is. However, neither would allow reviews of plays with no foul called. So everyone's talking about how are we going to fix what happened in the NFC championship game? There is no proposal on the table. That would include. Adding fouls which no flag was call today. Take a look at that one. Again, that's replay. Do you like which one do you like out of that? Do you like either of them? I I have a totally different proposal than than all of them. Why can't we make passing a fierce fifteen yard penalties? Again. You know, I'm tired of the forty yard gain off of a passion affair deter these guys just grabbing like if you're clearly beat on the play, and you just grab him. Then it's only fifteen yards as opposed to forty does that truly happen though. Like you watch the college game. How many times we've seen a guy? Just agreed Asli. Oh, he beat me. I'm going to foul him. No. If I'm a player, I'm trying to knock that ball away. Now. Is there a couple times possibly where it may happen work? I possibly, but that's that's just me purposely the game. And you're clearly beat for touchdown. You're about to lose. Why wouldn't you just grab him to save the yardage now? It's only fifteen yards instead of forty but then all. Sudden if you're going to be that guy, you won't be playing along either to that's what we always kind of kind of counter that argument. But I think I just don't want the game was slowdown though. Rochman honestly, if we're reviewing everything like, oh that call it was the review it and say, it takes the judgment out of it too. Because I've seen a play live in and you go back and watch it on on super. Yeah. Yeah. And this is where always said my friend how can the rift conceded. A first of all you watch an millisecond. You can't tell me some of these plays even when the wide receivers are catching and toe-tapping at I look that's not a catch. And then all of a sudden you replay it over a while. That is a catch I missed it. So to me understand that how difficult the job the rent have got to do. But I just like the challenges away that we've doing it right now. And it keeps the game at a fast paced. I don't want to slow it down by anytime. What if what if the challenges say the same fill to? Okay. Did you get to write a third? Right. And then we just add in the past interference. In the roughing the passer. That's not going to slow the game down too much because coach is still have the two challenges. Well, we talked about it yesterday because we're talking about the Klay Beth us news. And everyone's like, oh clay Matthews had a a career low three and a half sacks. Yeah. He had like three sex taken away from them. Because of that, you know, hitting the quarterback in a position which the quarterback was defenseless like to me is that a judgment call to like if they replay those to me I thought those were perfectly fine hits on a quarterback. So to me, it takes me what say legal tackle, say non-legal tackle, what say passionate fear and not a passenger could they reversion and say, oh, you know, what actually wasn't defensive pass interference? It was all fits past. You know what I mean? So you can both ways with that couple. The other headline makers that are going to come out as the Denver Broncos. Proposed. The onsite kick rule. Love a once per game in the fourth quarter team would have the chance to convert a fourth and fifteen only one thirty five only once per gate once per game in the fourth quarter. All right. Well, I guess once is better than none. But I feel like if you are if it's unlimited, you know, I would definitely think that any team would still be in the game which only is going to help out your ratings thing about pretty because like you mentioned earlier if you're down seventeen suddenly need three scores obtained. There's only five minutes left, right? And you've got Aaron Rodgers like in the back of your my a week and do this like, and you can keep your defense on the off the field the entire time because your offense is rolling and kick it I like it. Because now if forces us to do what to stay watch the game and till triple zeros are on the clock. So people aren't leaving games early. They're not changing the channel to something else. And the and the other big one the chiefs were the ones who oppose this shocking a rule that a guarantee each team of possession overtime and eliminate the coin toss and overtime. So under this proposal like I said, whoever wins the opening coin toss would choose whether to receive or kick off. In overtime. I would stick with the. With the rule the way it is. Currently right now, I like it the way that it is been everybody's say, oh, we wish we could have got Patrick Mahomes. Another opportunity people have been feeling the same way had the chiefs won the toss. Correct. Touchdown. Oh, we would've lit though, if the roles were reversed, you know, this wouldn't be an issue would not be an also pick up you take it. That's your fault. Can you imagine? If the patriots were the ones that had this happen to them propose this of both teams. You get the ball over time. Everyone would have been just calling them. It would have been absent outrage on every single talking head for me blasphemy, so many other things that are going to vote on not as major as the other ones rule that would make permanent the twenty eighteen kickoff alignments. Yeah. I think that works that works the elimination of all blond side blocks not just those to the head or neck, so all blondes side box. Yeah. I can see that going away those blindside blocks. I've I've been around some coaches who don't teach the blindside block a show, you different ways of actually blocking guy that won't actually, you know, declared a guy so it's all about keeping the game saved two. So some of these roles I can see the NFL going with because I think concussions are down the game is probably as safe as it's ever been. And I think that's what we want. I remember when I was in high school we used to call them. Hey blocks, you're running up behind someone and they're back to you yell. Hey, instinctively when someone yells, hey, you what do you do determine around you should around? So you're always told the C which and that way it's not a penalty. If you can read the guy's name plate, you don't block them. That's what you always say. A couple of other items. Women waiting you mentioned deformed. Yes. The other former chiefs Russia finally signed just in Houston. It was released signed with the colts two years twenty four million you like that deal for them. Yeah. Love the deal. They they got a ton of money right now. And you bring a leader like that, you know, playing in a. A new division. They need pass rush as well. So you're getting him way. So got some some left and a tank, I get it. I like it. Frank Reich and Ballard those guys you got a not only a veteran on defense because they're young defensively. You know, Darius Leonard the middle linebacker was probably the best players, you know, in the NFL this year, I pro, but I think they realized to that they're going to need some veteran leadership in some positions. Mike, you're interested in this story. Can't Cowboys Rams announced. They're going to play preseason game this year in Hawaii. We to the preseason going Hawaii going. Oh, yeah. Go to that. Rams season. Tickets. You have to basically get part of the package. I think you have to pay extra for these. Okay. From what I'm to believe? Okay. But it's worth it to go preseason in Hawaii. Come on August. I mean. Yeah. I was just in Hawaii. I got lucky got the got the got the gig and Beth Molins. We did the Hawaii bowl. That's a tech. And who was it? Louisiana tech forgotten. Forget who planning a game in Hawaii S right Hawaii. They were all the host. So yeah, I look forward to going back to Aloha stadium. One of the oldest stadiums. I think still out there. And I know they love football as much as we do with the connections of the quarterbacks. Now, you look at too low over at Alabama. We about Marcus mariota. So even McKinsey Milton a quarterback at UCF. So the lineage of quarterbacks from Hawaii right now are making their way into the NFL rings. We talked about it yesterday. But clay Matthews made it official signed with the Rams had a little press conference said as soon as my chance to return Green Bay was kind of passed me. I knew I wanted to come to the Rams from a football standpoint. It makes perfect sense. But for me personally, where I'm at my career having grown up in the area. Living twenty minutes away. It made sense. Do you think makes perfect sense for perspective claim athletes on the Rams? Yeah. He's on the final two three holes. You know? So. You know, how it is? We were playing golf you get there. Once you get to the front nine. It's like he comes back nine, and I think he's already passed the back nine, but he's got those last couple of holes, and you're just like man, it'd be it'd be neat to finish up in a place where the sun's kinda finally going down a little bit is not as hot if you guys have played on a Saturday afternoon or it feels comfortable and you actually play your best because you already know a I've already accomplished what I needed to in the beginning of my round. He's already won a Super Bowl. And I think he brings an element that the Rams knee, which is pass rushing ability and a guy who brings what I call scheme versatility to wait Phillips defense. He can play a little outside linebacker stand up. You can also play in the inside. But you also can bring him on one of those speed packages as well. And Cincinnati is about the loser, man. Why did you tell me to to sixty five you telling me that he's been winning this whole entire and now I wa is now things. A couple of items real quick Dez Bryant working out tweeted out yesterday. I will be a steel wherever I go bet on it. Would you take a bet on death's Bryant for this coming season? I would take a a gamble on him more towards September. You know, I think right now can you build around as Bryant? No, no. You know? I mean the same. He'll be available today. He'll also be available in September. Nobody's going to do especially coming off the injury as long as he weighed it last year, he's not going to get a multi year deal, which I think he thought he was going to get he's going to get a one year deal. Probably about the league minimum. It's you know, really to a I may have a bad injury. But still we saw him. He came in a lotta shape toward the Keeleys. And so now will he be in the tip top shape coming back from that? But or salt also to this is one of those injuries that can possibly forced you into retirement as well. It's got a crazy to think Dez Bryant didn't play in the NFL share hasn't played in the NBA this year. And these were two guys just we took for granted that they were going to go out and be superstars and their respective sports. And you asked me the question. Hey, when did you how did you retire? I didn't retire the phone to stop ring. Right. Yes. The same thing for Dez Bryant dot calling same Carmelo Anthony. When team stop calling guess what you are now retired baseball items real quick before we get to Mike Pereira. Jeff passan saying Chris sale is close to an extension with the Red Sox. Looks to be any five year one hundred fifty million dollar range same for Paul Goldschmidt and the cardinals of five year extension and the race signed pitcher Blake snail to a fifty million dollar deal. With the Red Sox have any money left. For Mookie Betts. John Henry billionaire baby no salary cap. No salary. Just keep on paying money. Well, you mentioned it there. Mike Perot the FOX rules analysts. Give us a breakdown on what the NFL will be talking about it their meetings, and I think next week and next couple of weeks to figure out what's going to be passed. What won't be passed and what he can give us some clarity on some of these rules. That's right. Mike Pereira NFL FOX rules in college rules analysts. Join the rich Eisen show coming up next Kirk Morrison here filling in for rich. Everybody's got it to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list. Good things. You don't have to drop off or pick up. Anything? All you have to do is go to Geico dot com. And in fifteen minutes, you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Extra money in your pocket. Of course, this may be the most rewarding to do you do today. Every car comes with its share of stories that dang your bumper. 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So if you're following rich is on Instagram. Make sure you say Hello and tell him keep the pictures come in. We are enjoying his vacation as if we were actually there with him but brackets are being busted in the NC double A tournament right now. And I know he's a FOX rules analyst for college football any NFL. But does Mike Pereira fill out a college basketball bracket? That's what a lot of people here at the rich Eisen show wanna know slot present the question to you. My do you actually fill out a bracket for the NC double A tournament? Or you've got other things to do. I haven't missed one yet. Bracket is still perfect. Are you are you really pulling much? Now, you really got a perfect bracket. That means I didn't even feel one. Go. Knowledgeable enough. You know? I mean, I've I'm like stuck with the, you know, I'm watching gains of the alliance of American football doing all this stuff. And I just I just never really got into basketball this year. Okay. Because a lot of people over the last couple of days are trying to figure out why gene sterotype or talking about basketball rules, Mike, he's at the former NFL referee. But people don't understand that a lot of NFL referees in college referees. Don't just or officials don't just do football. They also do basketball as well. Yeah, we have had we've had others. Of course. Bill vintage still doesn't he's working college basketball. Calm thinking was a great downfield official, but we had an Arlene in and he made it all the way to final four in basketball officiating to, you know, most of most of the officials that that go at all beyond high school are junkies of. Some sort or another. And so you you have worked you have work different sports. You know, I worked basketball when I was younger on the high school level. And so you you look at a person might start or which is why I thought that was a perfect choice that he was a perfect choice for CBS because I knew he could give some real clutch insight into basketball in the tournament. And there's just so many games, and so many plays that come up and when I listened yesterday to a few games and watch them and saw Jean come on. He was like spot on on the plays with flagrant ones and all this kind of stuff. And and he he to me he did a great job in football in his first year. And and I think he's doing a really great job in basketball. So far in the tournament. You know, Mike, you mentioned that it's he's you know, big on all the rules. Whether it's the college basketball or the NFL rules, but for you, Mike got a chance to see you a couple of weeks ago down on the side. Line at an af game down in San Diego. And I'm watching you as you're kind of looking at this game, and what's going on with sort of the rule for the af and possibly implementing them in the NFL that before it gets to the NFL rules proposals. What have you seen so far with the way that the af game is working that can probably be implemented in the NFL where I'll tell you. Nobody seems to be missing the kickoff. You know, that has become, you know, a play in the NFL that that that, you know, in terms of the touchback, it's there's so few returns. And and I was interested to see how that was going to look like, you know, once we, you know, did it in the AFC alliance. And quite frankly, I think it was accepted right from the get-go. And I think it's interesting that the you know, that the NFL actually has a proposal on the table that talks about you know, the. What we call just a conversion and onsite conversion in the alliance. And and the NFL's talking about a play that starts fourth and fifteen and I forget from the thirty five or something like that. Yeah. And and seems to have the backing of the competition committee. So it's not go eliminate the kickoff necessarily, but it is going to be a different way to attempt and probably a safer way to you know, attempt to keep the ball as you wouldn't an onsite kick. So you know, that has been good. I mean, the addition of the sky judge to me has been good hasn't been used very much. Because of the fact that we haven't had a lot of past experience plays, which this guy can review inside of five minutes of the fourth quarter and not too many players safety plays that have come up or the site sky judge could have gotten involved in. But it's that safety net that the alliance's successfully used that. I really think is something that needs to be looked at, you know, not just in the NFL, but I think in the NCAA level also Mike Pereira, the FOX NFL college football officiating analyst joining the rich. Is show. Kirk Morrison filling in for rich. Now, we know next week is the NFL league meetings. And a lot of these proposals will be on the table. Of the of the major rule changes which really involved like you mentioned replay, and possibly, you know overtime rules. If there was one that you think really has a strong chance of being approved by the owners, which rule do you think we'll probably be pass next week? Well, I think there's a couple. I mean, the one that you know, that I like the most is for some reason, you know, we have a rule in the NFL if you have a personal foul or unsportsmanlike conduct bow during a scoring play or after scoring play. There is no option to enforce that penalty on the try, and I get that. When the try was always from the two yard line with you attempted to two point try or one point dry, but I made the point that they need to give the offended team the option if it was against the offense to put it on the kick tribe because you obviously go instead of you know, snapping from the fifteen botch it back fifteen and snap from the thirty be looking at like a forty seven yard attempt. So he really has an impact there where it has. So little impact if you just roll it over onto the kickoff. And and. I think that that clearly will pass. I mean, there are couple other little penalty enforcement issues that you know, that nobody really cares out knows about, you know, where do you where you're going to force penalty when you have found on both teams that occur after change of possession. I mean, those things to me are cleanups. You know, the big thing is what's happening and replay. And the proposals two of them in the proposals that are going to laugh replay the get involved in past interference. But I think they fall short. And I think the committee probably knows they fall short because while they have well, I propose that replay can get involved in pass interference anytime during the course of the game and also player safety roughing the quarterback or illegal use of the helmet anytime during the course of the game. It's only. When the penalty is called. And so it doesn't really correct. The big issues from last year. Certainly at doesn't have doesn't do anything to change the outcome of the championship game on the pass interference in New Orleans. That was not called the hit by on Alvin Kamara which was a a vicious helmet to helmet hit. It wasn't called. So replay couldn't get involved in that. So I look at that and say both proposals fall short, I think that when the owners get together and see that it doesn't do anything to remedy the big situations that came up last season. I don't think it'll pass I think he'll get tabled and probably tabled until the may meeting, and maybe in the may meeting they can come up with something that is maybe more like what the alliance does. Then happened that eight official essentially, and he is an official. One of the crew members. And if he can make a change in real time on a pass interference or personal foul situation. If he can do it within the timeframe before the ball is next nap. Do it get it done move on. And so maybe that will get discussed and in the in the may meeting, but I I know that Roger Goodell wants something done. And so when Roger wants something done. Usually something can get done. But I just think what they have on the you know on their plate right now in terms of proposals. False too short, the FOX NFL fishing in it officiating analysts for college football. And in a fell Mike joined the rich Eisen show. You can follow him at on Twitter at Mike Pereira in and Mike, obviously, it's always the bigger games, right? In terms of Super Bowl conference championships were plays happen or situations happen. What do we do? We rush to we need to change the rule change rule, and I say that because at the AFC championship game. The patriots won the toss. They went down scored a touchdown in overtime in the game was over. Now what the chiefs proposing the rule that both teams should be allowed at least one possession. Is that something that you can see being changed? I look at it. As this way might you've already changed minutes from fifteen to ten. In overtime. And now you wanna go with the position by position is that something more than it needs to be collectively bargain because we've talked about players safety or this one just be chained because of the situation that we saw in the conference championship. Not having Patrick Mahomes have an opportunity to beat the New England Patriots. Well, I mean, I think you could be changed. But for all those reasons decided, I doubt that it will look at it like was almost impossible to go from basically sudden death, which was the way it was originally kick along vehicle when the game it was pulling teeth just to get the teams and the owners to agree to basically go a two possession game as long as the first possession didn't end in a touchdown or a safety. I doubt that there would be a Nuff support to you know, to make this even longer and and to guarantee two possessions. You know, the number of plays will increase in. It's absolutely contrary to shorting the shortening. The time from fifteen to ten, but you know, I I am of the opinion that you know, the team needs to play defense and if you play defense and you succeed in defense. Guess what you then get the advantage. If you if you are able to hold the team to a field goal or less on your on your on that first possession. Then you create the advantage for yourself knowing what you have to do to either tight or win. So I just I just don't see the change coming. I get it. Everything's about offense and everything about Patrick Mahomes. I get it all but to me, I never see the NFL parting ways with the term sudden death. They want it to be sudden death, and so you have that element now. Whereas if you score the touchdown or create the safety. In that. I it is sudden death. And so I just don't see them going away from that. I got you, Mike. Always how's the golf game, by the way? Well. Kind of non existent even because of the weather up here in northern California. And I am going to going to the F game and the alliance game in San Antonio Saturday. And then I'm gonna cruise San Antonio over the palm desert and play a couple around. So I'll report in, but I'm looking at my handicap going on the rise after playing a couple rounds in Palm Springs because I just to rusty. I think and probably getting too old that I just don't hit the ball bars anymore, but only happy to play if you can give all the money that that's too easy for you. Mike you destroy. Always mike. Appreciate the time in have fun. When you do hit the links. All right. I will do that. I promise you keep watching the the Instagram is instrument. He's gonna come back three hundred pounds per guys. All right. Appreciate the time. You gotta see must Mike prayer. The FOX NFL the college football officiating analysts, join the rich Eisen show. That's that's funny. See even Mike Pereira was calling them out met. Everybody's watching rich is Instagram because he's tweeting pictures he's eating. So we gotta get a breakdown when he comes back to understand. Hey, what all he got a chance to do? And should we do a rich Eisen weighing is? That's that. We throw. Honey now pushing like seven and a half. So. Then we'll wrap things up. We're going to update on a pole update on how my bracket may have been busted already. We'll get more of that here. Kirk Moore's filling in for the rich Eisen show. Hey, check, another the also we're going over. It's time for the second half of the season to get underway. It's a tight battle in both the western and eastern conferences as teams vying for playoff position that I've been saying for months, there's only one place getting all the action, Ben online dot AG. Sign up today for a free account and use promo code podcast one. When you make your first deposit you'll receive a fifty percent bonus. That's promo code podcast, one NBA savings heating up. 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You can watch the show by simply downloading the our live app on your mobile and connected devices or by going to be our live dot com. It's right starting Tuesday, the partnership it is now all good and all well, let's get an update on the today's poke which we have Mike Pereira on the Fox Sports rule analysts. So let's get the update on the poll question for the proposed rules next week at the owners or the league meetings of the NFL guys poll question today brought to you by car when it comes to selling trading in your car, you need to make good choices. Mike and what truecar you've got a star on your roster much. Like, you buddy. When you're ready to sell trade in your car. She got truecar to. Cash not available in all areas. So which proposed rule change do you like best of the big three? We'll get the onside kick change making all plays reveal or both teams. Get the ball and overtime. Fifty two percent. Now, say both teams should get the ball in overtime. Thirty six percent. Make all plays reviewable thirteen percent, only for the psychic change. I think that's my favorite the onside kick that. I like that one more than the over tire. Because when we're talking about overtime how many games per year. Are we really talking? You know, what I mean five or six believe how many games are there in the NFL per year. Make sure is it to fifty six to fifty six hundred and fifty six games, and I would say less than twenty or less than thirty going overtime per year. I'm thinking, I'm stretching it a lot of overtime games in the NFL. But I think it's just this is what I was trying to tell my Perot is that when we get into the big games when I say big games the conference championships, and we get into Super Bowls. I think that's when people want to do what people want. They want some closure. They wanna see the best product or the best way to end. But that's sudden-death thing that to me that's the element that the NFL will always keep. So I also think just when it comes to overtime like I talked about earlier football's three phases. And so to win the game. You gotta play off. Great. So the coin toss didn't go your way too bad too bad, go play defense patriots fair. It's worked out twice it worked out on the Super Bowl the pants got the ball and scored over time. Because the falcons wish I think as soon as they won the toss we knew that game was over over twenty eight to three hashtag never forget. And then I guess the chiefs same same deal. Maybe I mean, but the said three chances. What should stop them? Don't go off sides. Maybe maybe stop them when you know, the ball's going to grunk. Yeah. Yeah. I'm all for as a defensive player go out there and stop him. So am I going yard today or know that going on here for today going yard? Yeah. Couple of Bryce Harper went yard. He other day was in my rundown. I wasn't sure about supposed to throw to it. Now. Okay. No Bryce Harper today. But he hit two home runs yesterday was back. He's back. So that's why I want to make sure that out there. Home runs out there. So I know Bryce Harper is going to be the main show in Philadelphia. Now, he's always going to have on him. I bring that up because CBS has just announce the hashtag will now start, and we can started here on the rich Eisen show with Kurt Morrison filling in for rich. We can have the hashtag Zion camp. They have now put a kid. A camera will be diet will be devoted to one. Only zion. Williamson he'll have a camera on him at all times, which I've never heard of this kind of is it president. I would say because you know, going to tournament, you know, obviously, you know, Mike, you you've worked with a ton of cameras and how to audio and mix them all in the Super Bowl has one hundred plus cameras, whatever it may be that the cameras usually catch the bench. You know, the crowd reactions the play on the floor. But is ion I mean, are we going to be exhaust? Zion. Dictate it to him Ziya. So everything that he does he will have a camera on him at all times. And I hope he knows this oil. So he may be having do the talking underneath the jersey like LeBron. Wants to read his lips. Duke loses at some point at a tournament. Yeah. You gotta cover them up and say New York. New york. Can we watch this camera on Diane like special Twitter feed or TBS sports that I can go to because I will watch Zion? Only Cam only you real I'm into this game is not going to be good all due respect to North Dakota state. It's going to keep on going. Zayn Cam is going to be throughout the rest of the entire weekend. All the way if Duke loses tonight, I'll swim to the Manhattan beach pier. Elsa gone to all the way down from Elsa. Go shorts out there. I don't know if you and I can't even swim don't care because that's not happening one shoe blown out away from doing it, man. He can blow out of shooting. Reddish RJ coach K they're all going to have to blow out shoes. Okay. They could play barefoot Duke could play barefoot in this game. And they would beat North Dakota state. So if they dedicated a camera to Zion, right? So does that mean that they do that for John Moran? Because I mean CBS really a lot of players like that they'll do that even for football. There's eyeso- different. This is dead. Give me is guy dedicated camera that a lot. I mean, they normally will do that. If for game like this they'll add a couple, but that saying they're actually going to do it saying, actually like. Sometimes you pay ninety nine cents a game to watch Zion. Only cam. Nine cents a game. Now he's talking to a guy tournament so six six six dollars to watch Zion. Only Cam for the whole tournament. Just just terminent. I don't know. That's really, you know, how it is. When we all look at those apps on our phone, it's like ninety nine cents. You're like oh. Bella chick Cam and Mike whole game. I pay ninety nine pay. Up for season live, Mike, though. Yeah, I want check like, you know, edit out, the, you know, if you swears delay delay delay like seriously bell check while you're ninety nine bucks. I would do that. In a heartbeat was Mike Tomlin. Tom would be like Pete Carroll would probably be good. Gum chewing who else. Gruden amazing. That will be he probably be able to top the list, and then we'll players would you want. What players would I want? Jalen Ramsey for. Sure. Jalen Ramsey will be one. I would love to have had the live Michael that should be the option. Yeah, we're giving the NFL ideas that is you can do this. You could do every quarterback would be available for ninety nine dollars for the whole year. Then one defensive player on each team won defensive player. So that's the bonus. And you could get like the package for one sixty for the whole year of the quarterback and the defense Jayco in head coach to twenty five year for the all three draft special. This. I'm going to do that. I feel like that. Radium bell. Check all won't more access. Like, that's why I always said the coolest thing about the Super Bowl is not as the trust of the game. Always fantastic. But it's like the fallout after the game in terms of getting a chance to listen like commenting the NFL films. Mike. We've criticize Sean McVay for all he lost the game before look at them, these chumming it and boy and ballot Bill, but without the access the live Mike would have never known. You know, does he go what at a different approach next time? If he's ever I like it though, I would pay for this person. I definitely I definitely pay hundred percents. Awesome. You can do it for each team. I think each teams to do their own version of hard knocks throughout the season. But did that before I remember the all or nothing over on Amazon watch a couple of seasons of that? It was Arizona Cardinals didn't one year. And I forgot who the other team was I watched the Cowboys. Yeah. There was a Michigan football one Duke. Did it this year on ESPN game is doing lawn? I mean, anytime you get more access to think about it something throughout the the hard knocks the preseason is cool. But yeah, he's the one they spent a lot of time on hard knocks focusing on guys who don't make the team. He's been a lot of time with the guys who end up getting caught or what have you? But a year by year thing a week by week throughout the whole season. Dallas Cowboys I did see that one. And also the Arizona Cardinals were the one I watched on Amazon, all or nothing. It's almost to a point where I'm Jones for football. Again. We're about almost a month away from the draft. I cannot wait for that. Because of drafts going to be here Dwayne Haskins through this week Murray. Drew lock so. I saw yesterday that had Dwayne Haskins to the raiders for. Mock drafts man draft seasons rate mock draft season fell I wanna tell you guys. It's been a pleasure all week filling in for. Having a good time. But any time I get a chance to come step in here and sit in his seat you guys make it so easy for me. So they'll tufo, Brockman. His will. We're gonna talk about this. Rick league basketball. I'm I'm gonna talk about it. Got you interested interested. But the one thing I can tell you is I'm interested in my bracket because I didn't have a better day yesterday than Brockman, but guess what today. Brockman passed to not be wearing any clown costume. But pre at the time as always on the rich Eisen show. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack your podcast one? Yeah, we talked basketball. But we're a lot more than just sports this lady, she's seven it's everything about me, everything sports and left, and she says, I love you, podcast and laughing. But I hate that John. Listen free to the big podcast with shack exclusively on apple podcasts, podcast, one dot com and the podcast one app. If you love the show share it with a friend, leave us a rating and review, Trump and Muller. I'm Ed Donahue with an AP news minute. President Trump is arrived in Florida before leaving the White House. He talked about the Robert Muller Russia investigation. And the president. All big hope is all the with the goal of the president said it's up to the attorney general William bar. How much of the mullahs report will be released in when that time comes earlier the president spoke to FOX business channel two years. We've gone through this nonsense with because there's no collusion with Russia. You know that better than anybody and is obstruction. They'll say, oh, well, wait. There was no collusion that was a hoax, but he obstructed in fighting against the hoax days after President Trump, criticized General Motors closing a plant in Ohio GM announce it's adding jobs for plant near Detroit to build electric cars. This new Chevrolet EV is part of a larger strategy to introduce several new battery electric vehicles during the next several years. I'm Ed Donahue.

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The Ocho: Final thoughts entering the Green Bay game

Blogging the Boys

21:33 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: Final thoughts entering the Green Bay game

"I want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior fan none of the in what world welcome to another episode of the Joe presented to you in partnership as always that's been nations blog on the boys dot com are Julia Know Me of course for. TB and from writer as you're humble host on the the Ocho it is a Friday October fourth two thousand nine hundred and that's ten for hope you copy that Eos and it is our last episode of the week before the big time showdown between the Dallas Cowboys and Green Bay packers this Sunday on Fox Job Troy Aikman Erin Andrews America's game of the week. Mike Mike Pereira in the building in front of the show. It is going to be a rip roaring good time. I'll be there working hard for BBN Espn San Antonio of course we'll have you covered with tons of great action action and feedback and analysis and commentary blog the boys dot Com and right here on the blog on the boys podcast feed so make sure you subscribe a big. Hug and thank hugh to everyone who has reached out to tell us that they have that is very much appreciated. Look we give you at the very least one Dallas. Cowboys podcast per day oftentimes more often than not we actually you too. I mean we are coming at you all the time to talk about America's team. It is the middle of football season so we want to make sure that you have the best subscribe. Tell your friends tell your family. If your wife or your husband whoever's phone isn't subscribed grabbed that phone subscribe if you have time give us a rating of you. Those things are certainly appreciated. It helps us more than you know. I say that all the time because it's true and I wouldn't say unless it was true but let's let's get going with what we have to discuss to do. Do some not quite housekeeping but if you if you like me and if you do hey I like to do but I I've been busy this week a lot of things going on. I was on the United Kingdom cowboys television broadcast. It was really cool the UK Cowboys Fan group is really great lauren and Brian and everybody that does such a great job over there. They're really great if you haven't followed the UK Cowboys Fan Group they have a twitter her and they have a facebook page and I think their brand new to instagram but they're really cool and really great people at so awesome to see another cowboys are obviously America's team but it is really really great to see their following and have it be so strong all the way across the pond so they have a youtube show that they publish everywhere so I was on there. Let link is on facebook and as I mentioned the cowboys Youtube Channel if you want to look for it if you need the Lincoln me up and I'll certainly give it to you we we obviously previewed the Sundays as cowboys game in in the spirit of that I also was on espy nation is great and I love working here. and the best part part about all of our sister brother sites sites to cover every team for every sport in so acme packing company is our Green Bay packers site and they do was such a great job covering the cheese heads and I was on their podcasts Zac and Ben and so I believe that is already out it should be out. There should be a link to to the episode on Acme Packing company DOT COM on some time Friday morning. If you need a link for that hit me up we also kind of got got into the weeds when it came to this game. I know that there are a lot of cowboys fans who obviously don't like the packers so I'll have you know I took a shot at them for the two thousand fourteen. NFC Championship game name who we are but anyway so if if you WanNa hear me there you can also be on ESPN radio on Friday morning at about nine thirty if you care about that espionage nation radio DOT COM but we had a great Thursday night game seahawks. Rams really entertaining US second week in a row the Thursday night game has delivered lots of great games on week five slate couch packers certainly kind of leads that group again is it is the only four twenty five pm eastern kick so America will be watching in a guarantee you this will be. Fox's highest rated game in a long long long time entering this game the cowboys are three and one as the Green Bay packers losers of last week Thursday when I came and the cowboys losers last Sunday night game I wrote about this on Thursday and it got some some play and so I just kind of wanted to address it at espy nation will use a tool called fan pulse and it does what it sounds like. We if you WANNA be a part of pulse you can. It's really easy you get one email every week and you get get like three questions and they're generally you know what you think about the cowboys game and how Compton you feeling on the team and then there's generally like a national question which had coached they'll be fired things like that but we we measure how confident cowboys fans are with fan polls and entering last week cowboys fans were to ninety five percent send confidence level and that was actually a dip after the Redskins win concerns with a ninety six percent confidence. They went from ninety six to ninety five. Whatever maybe somebody forgot to vote but a dip all the way to sixty five percent confidence after last week's loss to the New Orleans Saints and I found that interesting you know Fan van pulls emails go out the day after the game and it does kind of feel like as the week has worn on the more people have kind of come around to the loss in New Orleans and I again I'm not saying it was a good thing by any means but I think there is a large sector of people especially nationally that have just kind of lumped it up to hey it happens. You know whatever I mean. The teams are going to lose games. I mean look at the rams. I mean you know as we sit here and talk. The rams have lost two in a row and one of those games at the bucks. I mean you know so I mean you're you're not gonNA Kellen. Moore said this on Thursday when he met with the media. You'RE NOT GONNA go sixteen and home the cowboys yesterday lost to a team did not have drew brees but they did not allow a touchdown and my point point all week long we did a youtube video on this so if you're in the mood to subscribe to stuff go subscribe to the blog on Youtube channel as well but I mean and I've said this in various ways here on podcasts think about all the weird crap that happened all right. You had alcohol Dak missing Cobb in the end zone a weird thing but I mean that's not weird intersects but you had the Jason witten fumble. You had the Zeke sort of fumble you had the two Amari Cooper offense at passenger place. You had the fact that you know the cowboys always really deviated from who they were offensively and then you had the longest ever for the saints although I still think if you watch that play over and over again there there's no way that the saints don't have at least time for a field goal so I don't think there's anything to really sort of make a big deal about there but my point is all these he's crazy things happened and the cowboys still lost by two and still didn't allow touchdown and still we're in position to win that game mm-hmm. I mean so if you can play like absolute crap and I think that we all think that that's kind of what happened the cowboys and you still only lost by two in one of the most intimidating venues in the NFL. I think that says a lot about your team I really do. I think that says that you're on your worst day. You can still compete with a very good team the team that beat the seahawks. We just saw beat the rams. I mean again there. Are there are no good losses but this is if you told me if if my football team had to lose a game cowboys loss to the saints or the way the rams loss of the bucks already said this earlier in the week or even the way the rams loss of the Seahawks I would rather lose the way to cowboys always loss to the saints because you can make an argument that they should have won that game and I think what's interesting about Sunday's matchup is you can certainly make that argument when it comes to the Green Bay packers. I I mean they should have won their game against Philadelphia Eagles last week. If they hadn't gone cold in the red zone they probably would have and so I think the confidence and really adjust temperature for the cowboys doesn't need to be down at sixty five percent. I mean we are still talking about a very good football team here and a team that is I think going to beat the Green Bay the packers everywhere I've ever done this week. Everyone's asked me for a prediction. I do think this is going to be a close game. I think I think this is going to be the game of the season so far and and I said that before there's football but this has the chance to be something really special. I think just given a great episode of television. You know what I mean and you just go into a game of thrones is a bad example. Give her the way it ended but you would typically go into the penultimate episode of Game of thrones season and you would note this is going to be amazing and that's Kinda. How packers always feels especially. If it's you know Sunday afternoon buck and Aikman and all this stuff so I think there's reason to be optimistic certainly when it comes to that but there's a lot to this game certainly that is within the details and that has to do with match ebbs and that has to do with you know offense and defense and whatnot so let's take our little quick break because we have to we have to pay the bills and then we're going to discuss why we think the cowboys we are going to win this Sunday against the Green Bay packers we will be right back after award from our sponsors. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts for behind the scenes. Look all the action of the show and more with your favorite competitors listening. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast of injures of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and base excuse me so every Tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously really as it should be taken subscribe for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP okay so we all agree and nod your head if you agree knock on wood if you're with me to quote every single person on twitter that shot knocks the cow going to beat the packers cool glad you agree. I thought that something was interesting Aaron Rodgers during his session with the media this week to the local media in Green Bay had had a lot of interesting things things to say really spoke for sixteen minutes but he was asked specifically about the cowboys defense and he said it's a very athletic sideline to sideline indefens- you have speed all over the field they have to really three fantastic linebackers with Sean and too young guys who are playing so well. The Front is very active to pass rushers instead. Excuse me inside. They're doing coach. MANELLI has taught for years a lot of lines dunfermline movement to combat not having three hundred forty pound guys inside and the back ends playing really well well so it's a sound defence. It's not extravagant but they play their defense from really well. Their coverage has been tight and they've been slowing some people down for sure now a lot of people when I tweeted this out got hooked on the fact that Aaron said that the defense was not extravagant if you watch the interview. I don't think that was an insult at all. I mean it was actually quite complimentary but I think that the speed of the cowboys defense is a prevalent factor and I think that speed is everywhere and I wrote about this this week I think Robert Quinn is the the necessary speed and the necessary piece. We talked about that. We had a whole like Robert Quinn episode on the PODCASTS. I mean that gives the cowboys a level and appear really specifically really of speed that they haven't had against this particular quarterback and I think that when you combine that with demarcus Lawrence when you combine that with the fact that late in Vanderbilt is thinking about that the cowboys have never played Aaron Rodgers with late advantage on their team. You know I mean that is a big deal and the fact that it looks like Devante Adams. I mean we're recording this late Thursday tonight. So I mean you know maybe you're listening to this Friday evening or something and something else change but at the moment it looks like Devante. Adams is not going to play that really kind of changes. There's I mean so you have all of this speed on the cowboys defense and who's going to beat that I mean that's that's kind of where I'm at. I mean Geronimo Alison Marquis Valves Scanlon. I mean Jimmy Graham who's who's GonNa conceivably beat the speed of the cowboys have on defense for the packers on offense and I know that Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers and so you have to account for that and you have to assume some level of opposition simply off of the fact that this dude is one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever live however I mean he really he does not have you know all all of all of his abilities all of his weapons all of his toys and so I think that you considering that Michael Gallup is also on pace. I used to play and another that is still. Maybe not one hundred percent locked. I just I don't know how the packers go shot for shot with the cowboys. I do not think that you want to do that. I don't then he wanted to get into a game of taking shot for shot with Aaron. Rodgers 'cause that's typically a death sentence but I think if it did come down to that I I do think that Dak Prescott can outduel Aaron Rodgers as weird as it is to sort of frame it that way interestingly enough. I've said this few times I said it on. Every show is on this. The subject of outdueling this game is coming on the six year anniversary of Wind Peyton Manning Tony Romo had their duel and many people believe myself included that Promo outdoors just had one ill-timed interception. Thanks some friendly fire but I mean something interesting about that and you know how how I try to look at numbers and interesting coincidences and things like that that was Peyton Manning's sixteen seasons I mean he was clearly already won a super bowl. He hadn't won the second one yet obviously obviously but you know he was. He was the guy I mean. He was the elder statesmen. There was no question about that. Antonio had been around for a while at that point. I mean that was two thousand hasn't thirteen so that was. Romo's you know what seventh season as the starter season if you WANNA call it but I'm Aaron. Rodgers is in his fifteenth year think about that I mean he is almost as old now as peyton manning was in that Broncos game that's kind of crazy when you think about it and so this kind of feels feels the the fact that it is on the six year anniversary of the Bromo Peyton Game Kinda feels like Dax moment you know to take on the established Sheriff Payton's name but you get my point. That's the king of the castle the Dude on top of the mountain this kind of feels like that game. Dak and I feel like an all at least on paper sets up for him. You know you consider the fact that Michael Galp. We'll be back. Amari Cooper is obviously a very very very relevant factor although Jay here Alexander Goodness Gracious. That's that's that's the one thing that can wreck this game. I think and watching what happened in the Thursday night football game what the NOPE offense a pass interference call against Brandin cooks and I know Pete Carroll challenged that and the seahawks ultimately lost challenge. I did not see a difference and that's just me. It's just my eyes and granted. I I don't have to wear glasses but I have a pair of glasses and optometry said optometrist's my Thomas who said that I should wear for them like late in the evenings. If my eyes are tired so my vision still great still twenty twenty but according to these is I didn't really see a difference between between what Brandin cooks did in Seattle what Amari Cooper didn't New Orleans either Amari Cooper offense for what it's worth this pass interference place that we're at today's. NFL is so oh confusing and nobody knows what it is anymore. The challenges make it all the more convoluted and complicated but my point with all of that was in a very sort of underrated way. Marshon lattimore took over that game. I mean he he did. Marshon lattimore was responsible for the two ovens a pass interference penalties the Mark Cooper had I mean you know that was that was big. I mean in many ways that was the difference maker we kind of use that in our list of your crap and Gye here Alexander can have that effect I mean he is developing into one of the NFL's premier cornerbacks and so he has the ability to really affect an influence. Maybe maybe not Amari Cooper specifically but certainly a large element of the cowboys passing attack and so that's where Michael gob comes in. I mean you know I won't even say and I think you would agree that. The cowboys boys you know. Aerial attack was stifled only New Orleans the first half against Miami which was the first half the cowboys play without Michael Gallup. I mean that was I don't WanNa say pedestrian but there was concern and obviously the cops came out in the second half and dominated everything was fixed but and so I mean having having the ability to gain separation is huge right I mean and so especially when you go up against an elite cornerback and that's what I hear Alexander is now and and so Michael Gallup's presence really I think helps mitigate that factor and that's why it's just so hard to pick against the cowboys from me and I think also you look at it. You know I I mean. I don't think I wouldn't endorse this but I think it's possible the cowboys running all over the packers. This does have the flavor of a big game name especially if if Green Bay is focused you know because it's greatest or he Alexandra darnold savage is not a bad football player. I mean they're secondary is good. I mean I know Kevin. Kingsman kingsman on the practice reported injured. Excuse me and so I mean that is something that bears watching but my point is that secondary is good so you might have to focus on running the ball and I know that there's no tarrant Smith. you know when people have asked me what my biggest point of concern has been for the cowboys. I've said Connor Williams but this could feel this could be Zeke game. You know a big game. When was the kind of goes off and goes off as a heavyweight to put it but a game that Zeke takes over in Ezekiel sees the cowboys? Come out on top and so my sort of if you WANNA call them keys to victory. I wouldn't even call them. They're more like like fobs. You don't need the on the car you just need the FOB to press the button Qahira Alexander limiting him. I mean I think if you beat John Alexander. You Win the game. I know that sounds so simple but the Alexandria is one. I think Connor Williams the other. I think the most important player on the cowboys on Sunday is kind of because if that is disrupted I mean who forget which he'll zander's doing outside Reid if Connor Williams cannot hang you know it's going to ruin what Cam Fleming's trying to do and I mean the whole system's. GonNa fall apart. I think it's fair to assume that Travis Redder. We'll have a bounceback game obviously did not play well in New Orleans but Connor Williams a lot of hope rests on his young shoulders especially with tarrant Smith out and so Mola we'll see what he's able to do but I got cowboys over the packers something close man. I think twenty seven twenty six twenty four twenty three. I think it's it's GonNa be going to be pretty stressed out. I'll say that it's it feels and it should be that way right. I mean it. It should be that intense and that's why we've been looking forward to it all week long so so yeah so if you if you want to you can certainly circle back and check out the episode of UK. Cowboys TV. I was on there. It's about twenty twenty twenty five minutes. the ACME packing company PODCAST. I was on there talking packers and if you're listening to this before nine thirty. Am Central Time on Friday. you can head over to explanation Dot Com and hear me at nine thirty although I also believe that they archive everything so if you're listening to this afterwards that they're good good chances that there's a link for you. Listen to that as well but of course beyond everything make sure you're subscribing right here to the block of the worst podcast food because if you like listening to me on on all those other things if you like listening to all of you to cause a lot of our guys make appearances elsewhere. I mean you might as well subscribe here because here you got to hear all the time you get so many podcasts speaking of besides this episode of the show on this glorious Friday you will get an episode of the 750 with myself and Tony Casillas Good Times Times man this is this is a a cowboys packers game in October. I mean you know that feels. That just feels right so I hope you enjoy hope. You have a great weekend and whatever you've got planned I. I hope it's just hope it's everything you want and more and I hope you have a great time and get yourself ready for Sundays and good foods some good time. Some good people good company any and hopefully some good results because you deserve it. I mean I want the best for you because I know in my bones that you deserve so with all that being said Ed Magnon on my friends is always go cowboys and peace out the back

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Hour 2 - Guest Hosts Jason Smith And Rob Parker, Mike Pereira (12-23-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

46:02 min | 11 months ago

Hour 2 - Guest Hosts Jason Smith And Rob Parker, Mike Pereira (12-23-19)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on apple podcast and podcast one. What's happening everybody body? This is the official Lakers podcast. I'm your host Mike Trudell super pumped to be your flanked by Aaron Larson. Ready to go. I'm ready in the Lakers will be top ten defense to get away team. That has two stars or super in this case. Lebron in a D can sometimes can't pretend they're out but I think they're both good candidates for. Mvp I really like the way that this team just feels us to be around the. It's a very clear message. That's two stars in the navy and its everybody else gets on board the relationship that is developing between those two off the court would end on the four their cohesiveness on the court I think in this case is a special case that the two of them will enhance each other as opposed to taking away from each other be sure rate. Eight subscribe and Bieber view available on Apple. PODCASTS and PODCASTS. Season's greetings from all of us at the Dan. Patrick Show only the best people were holidays. Dan Do wow this but the Dan Patrick Show continues straight on into twenty twenty. Who here has their house decorated rated? Yeah we got all kinds of special things that we have like around the door. And can you bring in a big company beggary linking anymore limitations. Kid can't hang something of another man. Can that's correct approaching and college bowl season. Is He from the Mercedes Status Ben Studios in Los Angeles. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Don't forget star. Wars rises skywalker. That's here too. I mean pretty much every other wits every other Christmas is going to be a star wars. Yes I did I'll I'll I'm thinking about going and I'm not a big movie go. I used to be but not anymore awards event you have to go so did you dress up and all that. No while we're star wars t-shirt okay. Did I dress up like as a tweak or anything boy. What a nerd him I just said tweet look at here? I am last night watching. What was the return of the jet? I was flipping was a bus to you know what I made. It was I started started watching it and then I saw that return to the jet. I was on so I watched it. Look don't spoil it. Does sport jet. I know people haven't seen don't spoil it. I mean you can tell people what happens on indoor Sarsfield look at you know. But I'll tell you. This spoiler free riser skywalker. I mean that's where Pizza Hut. The Hut Tate's himself without Pizza Hut. There we go is. Rising skywalker is a perfectly acceptable and fine line and fun. Ride an end to the skywalker. Saga you're always GonNa get a loud group of people who hate the movie because it's not because it's what's on the screen right. They don't know what they want. I just don't like what's on the screen so you get a small. When small groups are really loud? It sounds like it's so much bigger bigger than it is. Rising Skywalker was was pretty good. There's a lot of action right from the get go along movie. It's about two and a half hours but it doesn't seem like okay because I mean that's a longtime somewhere. Yeah you're you're summing up the end you know I know you gotta go to the bathroom in the middle of two D. I know you're you're you're like Lenny gotta get on my phone. I gotTa send a Texan an hour and a half shows the. Yeah but it was. It was a it was a fun way. It was it was. It was a movie that you will cheer. You'll cry you'll be ten years old again. It was absolutely fine. What did it did it remake? The history is a transcendent experience. The movie theater. No but if you're a star wars fan it was a pretty good movie and if I just don't like it why because that's what they did and I want something else else okay. Great that unfortunately. That's what's going to be out there but it was absolutely all right. I'm thinking about going to see during the holiday. I was seeing the star wars movie in a while. They had like R. rated previews for it though. I'm like wow what an are related. There's another bad boys movie. Believe it or not and they had a bad boys. I'm going wow well you Are rated movie previous Star Wars. The hell is going on amazing. I've I've told my daughter going. Hey so let's talk about after the movie. You Know Martin Lawrence Lawrence is going to say in a promo movie. Hey so after. We're going to get supremecist. I was really. I was really stunned about that. I was really stunned but arises skywalker is pretty good. Hey I'm not saying. Go see cats but rise skywalker. You Go see if you haven't seen a movie in a while don't make cats by Casablanca. Was the last last movie I went to. Here's how bad it is for cats. I saw actually sending a new version of cats to theaters with better special effects in because the director I said over the weekend. Oh I didn't really get a chance. We barely finished the effects in time for the movie to come out. So they're sending a quote new movie theaters. I read that this weekend. What the Allahu version to get people to go see it? Hopefully that's not a slopes thing. But Wow just you know I'm not saying go see cats no okay Also not saying. Expect the cowboys in the playoffs. I would like to hear the Mr Moustapha lease you know look at give it up are you gonNA using memory for is not GonNa do that or you just thought I was a sports hack. I don't have any culture I go to Broadway show up from New York originally you. You had no idea I had missed him. Asaf Eleo a winter garden theatre poll. I because it's pretty Nice But obviously the big topic the big story and a big weekend in the national football league. Eagles beat the cowboys. They take the NFC east lead and the cowboys are now looking for explanations as to what went wrong. And we'll get to that in a second but this may be the best part of the weekend and it happened after the game right way. Do you see the ratings for this game yesterday. It's it's GonNa be absolutely through the room whenever division is on the line like the cowboys right so that that had to be if they didn't get big ratings on that they're in trouble that that's that's a rating bonanza after the game was over. Doug Peterson Eagles head. Coach is answering questions at his press conference and reportedly drunk fan. Dan Got to sneak into the interview room and ask a question before he was removed. Now we're GONNA play the audio for wasn't that somebody was drunk. Asking a question. Question is just A. He wasn't credential. Probably what it was. Where were you yesterday around me? Seven thirty eastern time. I was heading to the parking lot to wait to come talk about the cowboys. Doug tell me what happened so what. You're going to hear the audio. It's you're going to hear. Reporter is starting to ask a question and this this fan interrupts him and starts asking Doug Peterson about playing. Eli Manning next week because that's the game. The Eagles have to try to clinch the division. So so here's the Daniel Jones play like eleven touchdowns you saw so allies not playing but anyway he but here's the beginning of the story a reportedly drunk fan so that it's not a MENSA member you know walked in to the. That's not how the story begins. I got it so here listened to the audio from the beginning. You'll hear the fan asking rely manning question then he gets ushered away. Defense doesn't look miss. Who's this see credential? A timeout yeah I waffle own cal you next week what do you think what do you think but I I love Peterson right there like I said he got it right away. He's aware of WHO's asking him questions. I'm serious because he didn't just take the question and he could've could've answered I guess what what he's like. Who is that? I don't even know who that is an issue credential like when we go eat and go off. I'm just saying that's the way you're supposed to do. And who is this. Well if if he's the Guy Walking in with a backwards Eagles Harold Carmichael Jerseys. Hey what do you think Eli next week. I'm going to go on the assumption right. I mean I know there's the the blogosphere now and who knows who gets credential but that's not the issue that is the issue just set it. There's a lot of people You know acting or or or Masquerading as reporters. Because they have some website or you know what Amino some blog or something and I'm on knocking those people but they're not credential reporters and that and and a lot of those guys one of getting into press conferences. I don't know how look but I I hear you. But what would you rather heard the gay the easy questions that you're GONNA get. Would you rather here. This guy was drunk asking him questions about why I heard that Prescott on the stand but that was a That that While the big thing is that went to a lifetime perform the last two weeks they have bad teams and they had to come back. And you had to go touchdowns lane game to win and people were. Were you know knocking off. There was a struggle against Washington and it was Who they played at the other week? Eh struggled against The other team that they beat at the end but the bottom line is that they got it done and in this game Carson. wentz showed up for his team. His team was depleted and down there number one receiver yesterday. One of your former quarterback SORTA didn't have anybody he didn't use that as a crutch and whatnot he just one out there and play. He had a really good game And a couple of misfield goals that would have been even up you know. They had to miss field goals. That were makeable doable. All that would have run up the score even more so he was in control. That game he played really well Doug talked about Carson Wentz like that's you get in the press a the Carson had a great day today right all. I'm supposed to talk now. I mean honestly when I was when I worked in Detroit. If you they didn't ask Bill laimbeer question. You made a statement. You hear some guys do that right. That was a really good game. You'll have today. What what's what's the question uh-huh and bill would say you have a question that that's not a question you you've just made a statement? He would hold people to that to make them ask questions and and I and I agree with that you don't just ramble and and the other one is an. You've been there Jason but you see the guys who have the mics Oh probably getting sound for radio on nate kind of twirl it around. Hey Tell me about that just like you said told me about Carson Wentz. Well he's six six foot four and he went to this school and you know I mean. Tell me about him ask a question about performance and what he did a doug was your plan to run and throw the ball tonight. That'd be these reporters and I'm not. I don't WanNa rip on reporters but you see press conferences. Where just ask a good question? That's what you get you. Get your where how you. Yeah I'm with a blog is fear unlimited Uniforms or really green. Today you. Yeah can you tell me did. Did they use some sort of. Did you use tied or you know or something that brought out the color of the green or something crazy like that but The Eagles would you expect to be so low scoring juice. SPEC this but this this is huge. Finishes is die. Hard Chris. Paul Yeah that would have been a nice one What what what is because I think lethal weapons of Christmas movie rocky Rambo coach? God do that. What what what a a big win for the eagles now they control their own destiny? All they have to do is win next week doesn't matter what the cowboys do. And if they went wound up winning winningest division which I thought they would. Originally when the season started I liked the roster But they had so many injuries and everything that they're able to pull this out. This'll be some story for the Eagles. You'll be because it will end after that they don't have a roster that not on with the elite of the NFC. The Vikings Niner seahawks hawks amount could be the packers depending on how things go tonight but for the eagles things look great for the cowboys. Things are abysmal. Because as much as you want to talk about Dak Prescott and we'll we'll get into him in a couple of seconds because I know how much you've you've been waiting to talk about Dak Prescott. Is that the Jason Garrett situation is where the sort is gonNA fall for this all right. Jason Guarantees Look it. Because it's not Jerry Jones fault and if it's not Jerry Jones's fault it's not the players fault because this is Jerry Jones roster it's the one roster that he put together look at the. Here's the players. I'm the general manager and now Jason Garrett you after you have to do it i. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him because he's had ten years he's been the coach since two thousand and ten. Now it's it's I I get your coaching with an against Jerry Jones. But what you've had a Lotta time the fact that you go to the end of the game yesterday and your final four downplay where your whole season is on the line and Amari Cooper and Randall. Randall COBB are not on the field. Kaba was the best receiver that final drive caught. Three big first down passes Cooper's your number one guy because he ran a go route the play before he's got to be on the sideline sideline you could've called the time out. Its fourth eight. You WanNa make sure your best players are out. I'm look for today and you still would have had to timeouts. Left right. Didn't have three. Yeah so to kill Judah to use one of them to get your right personnel and make a plan and and try to make a play to save your season. And they didn't do it. Jason Garrett is is exactly what You Know Jerry. Jones wants which is basically a puppet to do what Jerry coach through Jason and but but but not get all the blame for it. You know what I mean. 'cause Jerry wouldn't go down there and coach but but that's what we are and and if you're a Dallas cowboy fan you should be. You should be really mad and upset This morning that that that they didn't win that game and when a division twitter at how about Fresco Robert Rob Parker F s one and you. You spent all night in the parking garage because you wanted to come in and talk about the cowboys and Dak Prescott not being for real. I have to wake you up. They come on. Come on I walk. Walk by your car come on time to go do the show yeah. I told you I've been telling Chris. Bruce saw this for the entire season when they started off three. And all those numbers we could go back. Look look at his numbers against a bad team reported up early on the program. It is very obvious and when they played better team or two teams with better defenses. He struggles struggles. We saw game against Minnesota. They lost he. Didn't the Vikings didn't have a touchdown in a game and the cowboys laws. Then have a touchdown and then he doesn't NFL touchdown in this game which they desperately needed. They can't get one touchdown settling for field goals. That didn't make any sense to me. I would not if from the cowboys and ot signed Dak Prescott to any kind of contract. And not they'll probably franchise tag him take another look for one more year Adam. But I'm telling telling you I'm I'm not sold at all. In fact I would be looking for new quarterback. You call them afloat the most fraudulent of all time. There you go he. He is the microphone. Twitter out about a FRESCA Rob Rob Parker F S One. Jason Smith Rob Parker in for Dan and the Danettes Got Mike Pereira coming up next Fox officiating analyst former VP OF NFL officiating at a lot of NFL to get to the day after and nobody will look up ahead at the Monday Nike. 'CAUSE I got a big statement. 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The danettes Annette's Rob Parker making a big cross country trip after asking Doug Peterson a question. The postgame Prescott. That was amused. You thought I was drunk. I'm just a drunk reporter and a press conference that was not me. That wasn't you know I. I know the the dancing you you went out to do last night following the cowboys dancing. I'm a professional guy. I'm a reporter on route. You know what I root for you call you back Prescott mafokate. He's as the most fraudulent of all time. But I don't rule that's just me giving my opinion on it. I'm an analyst. I do not route. I don't care if the cowboys where to lose but I never bought into him. That's all I'm going to tell you I did not buy into them Everybody was random. Remember their division to lose three zero to start the the season. Well they were they were and the thing about the cowboys is Dak Prescott. You WanNA break it down this easy friend against the bad teams this year. He was good when you're faced it. When he faced a team with the defense? That was pretty good then he was bad all right his best games this year giants redskins Detroit in the rams. Those are always best games. All those defenses were terrible the ramp how many times the rams get lit up. This season wasn't last year right but when he plays a good defense he's got a bad game. All all the games are passer. Rating was was ninety or lower Philadelphia. WHO's even middle of the pack Chicago? Buffalo the jets who have one of the best run defenses in the NFL. New New England Green Bay New Orleans right. All those good defenses and he struggled with all right there joining us now on the hotline for more on the Cowboys Eagles and all the other big big news in the NFL foxsports rouge analyst former VP OF NFL officiating. It's Mike Pereira now. Normally Mike you come on the show at night. You're a couple of glasses of wine in. It's very early in the morning today. I wonder where you are right now. It's coffee and Philadelphia. Oh you did the game you did the game. AM yesterday first of all before we get to your expertise. How shocked by that game? Considering where the cowboys were and just the eagles were banged up. Well I mean pretty shocked I mean most people thought I guess it was GonNa be a close game that wasn't me based on the performance against the Rams uh-huh The cowboys performance. That was the week before to me. It was reminiscent of the cowboys in week. One two and three and I thought maybe they had found it And so I. I went in pretty competent. That the game was gonna go the cowboys ways. But you know you you Kinda seem to get a sense from the cowboys early on. And and we know that they had a couple of games where they went right down the field and scored in the first drive and then they went flat. And you know to me. They basically we started flat and pretty much ended flat. And there didn't seem a lot of energy from the cowboys standpoint and so as the game went on and I would say probably midway through the second quarter it kind of became apparent to me that they just didn't have the Mojo work and that they had the week before and a bit. You know week seventeen. It was going to take that to see who ended up winning the NFC East so Pretty surprised you know. The last is play the game yesterday Mike. We've talked a lot about that. The last real offensive play for the cowboys. The fourth down pass gets broken up in the end zone they went back and looked at it for interference. And when they went to you for your analysis I could just tell from your voice going if they overturn this and give the cowboys of I and I'm going to be really really mad. I mean I inferred that from your voice choice and you're talking about that. Well you know I would have been because that would have been so far different than where this rule was if the you know. Basically the first three quarters of the season because it had to be so clear in obvious that had to be so agreed. Just that quite frankly. It went too far in that direction and now they've tried to reel it back in the day. I'm saying I'll river on in New York and Russell Kirk is just a replay and they realized it back in but still it needs just to be clear and obvious. And that's one of those where you know. I'm looking at it and talking at the same time and I'm saying you know yes. There is a con there is contact as you really pin his arm down and and you know does the receiver initiate the first contact by sticking an arm and the defender just a lot of it and you know Joe says during the broadcast but it looks like you may have the arm and you know yeah may possibly timing wise close All of those where you don't want to get involved in basically re officiating the play. I mean if you went back and said okay. Let's put this place is it or isn't it officiate. To play act like no call was being made on the field then it might have taken a little longer to come up with. I think the same conclusion that it didn't significantly -nificant league kinder- The receiver. There's always hand fighting volk ways and and to me they would have put you know pass. That's interference on that play. Then I think they would have made a mockery out of the rule the same with the same way they were making a mockery out of it and the first three quarters of the season but in the opposite direction so I never for one second thought they would put it on. I thought it was more of a PR thing since it was the fourth down. Play at the end of the game was decided. Basically the outcome. I think they did it. I never thought they would put it on and and and I think rightfully so they know my Mikey we on. NFL celebrating its one hundred th anniversary this year and now we got to change the coin. Toss because it's too complicated. How in the world world? How can we just say that Dak Prescott for whatever reason just botched it and keep it as is what needs to change? I don't get it. Nothing needs is to change. There is nothing to change in the rule. Look at. We've changed the twice already in my time. In memory you know we we changed changed it on the field luck at one with the steelers and Jerome Bettis Tale And so we said at that point then okay the captain must call it burst I And then you know we we changed it again a second time when the you know when the conversation came of the coin in sticking in the ground was it heads or was it tail. And if you basically didn't get the calling the flip then we said Okay you could read flip it. If it doesn't flip now leave the damn thing alone please and just use some common sense and just if you're the referee just a if a guy says kick you know we WANNA kick just say to comedian. Wait a minute. You know what you're saying. And if you're a captain be just as as positive as Dak was yesterday when he immediately at least shouted out defer. I wish Tony Tony Granny would he use a little personality and said are you sure you wanted to her. I mean it would have been. It would have been very funny very very funny but there's no need. There's no need to change the coin. Toss rule none. I agree I just. I think it's an overreaction everything a pass interference changes because of what happened to the saints. It's just every year. It's like an overreaction. It just it's crazy. Hey Mike one of the big Place from last night. We haven't gotten a little bit yet. We had the Patrick mahomes touchdown and he walks off the field counting the number of of players who were taken before him in the draft. Was that flag worthy for you or no. Well listen I I believe any dance after touchdown flag worthy. I I mean I'm I'm the old president what are you doing. I'm the past president of the no fun league bad. It's a real life as a gay. Hey Mike I I I know but I'm old. Listen I'm the I'm the guy that seventy remembers the bears. Gale sayers handling the ball to the official after he scores a touchdown and acting like he's been that I'm old and I'm also in the minorities. So you gotta give me that too. But I can't oh I can't just I just like this game to be a team game and not individual game when you know you put individual attention on yourself or are some of your teammates. If it's a receiver you know. Do a dance but forget about the quarterback that through the past and do a dance. Forget about the linemen that blocked the quarterback. Okay I'm I'm old. I'm no fun League but I'm done I'm never gonna say that again but what I what did I thought it was pretty funny today. The truth it is it was fun and you know what we do. Have a tape of you from a couple years back when you still with the League pay you kids get off my law. The Globe bring bringing Shammar to my house. Mara rare reality shy. You can bring a as you as you both know. Just bring it before the evening times before four. You'll be going out on on your way to an early early bird special for dinner. He's on twitter. At Mike Pereira on twitter at Mike Pereira foxsports rules analysts. Mike is always appreciate it. Have a great great holiday. We'll talk to you next week. Great stuff there for my now win. Pereira comes on my show at night. He's always yes three glasses of wine glasses. This is what I'm ready I'm ready. I'm ready and he takes a pause and when when he did he was on with us last week he actually stopped going. Wait a minute. I've been talking you too long. I need a sip of wine. took a sceptre shell or knife Pereira's the best. Look I understand the over the top celebration celebration that you don't want anything to get because what what officials don't want they don't want the game to get out of control. Someone has some kind of crazy celebration. This means they're going to get a little extra shot or a helmet to helmet hit next time because the defense is going to be pissed off about it I understand I used to love the NFL with the fun bonds. And all that I had no issue with I really didn't I. Just you know what if you if you don't want those guys is celebrating death. Stop Them from scoring. You know what I mean like I just thought it added to it. You remember that the Cabbage Patch and the fun bunch. Launch Washington and artists gives the electric slide on the electric slide with a lot of stuff that was just fun and creative and all of a sudden became the no fun league. Like you said Ed and now they're going back to letting people have a little fun. I I don't WanNa The cheerleader jumping out of his stand and all kinds of other stuff. Like holding up the game but if they come up with something that's fun or a in the mahomes thing was was pretty good one. I watched some. Yeah we passed asinine. We're one of those teams play pass not a week and at-bat off and that's the crazy thing because you look at the chiefs who who a month ago had problems. Jason Smith Rob Parker in for Dan. Patrick Danettes here at Fox sports radio I mean they had a lot of problems. Their defense wasn't playing well while they weren't scoring as dynamically as work because they couldn't run the football and that was that was a real big issue a month ago but now you fast forward and maybe because they were out out of the limelight a bit. It helped because now they're one game away from being the number two seed in the. AFC is New England going to go into Kansas City this year and win with that kind of offense I I I don't see I don't either. I I know they won. They be Buffalo. I'm not so sure if Josh Allen had just to a decent in game I think the Buffalo would've won that game from where they were. He didn't play that wall for like the first half he was. They wanted to have forty seven yards ars. Before they scored that touchdown it was really really bad. early on but I just and even New England winning that game. I'm not buying into at this. Was this was last year. They struggled and then they won their last two games and then they want a super bowl. I'm I'm not buying that I don't think that that team is that good and the teams that they have to face. AFC and would have to go on the road again. I don't bite at the Patriots would be able to win. I Bet Skip bayless on undisputed disputed that the PATS would make it to the AFC championship game. I that's a great bet right now. That's a great bet. Does that them not to make this was before the season started. The only thing that hurts is that of course they have the other teams play. Yeah everything you know. That's the tough part even even this year you're seeing with the Patriots and it's good as they are they're still not as good as the best teams in the AFC. No one's riding to their rescue. No there's no offensive offensive help that's coming to. Oh suddenly this is going to bring the Patriots offense back up to the level. They were at where they were dominant grants not coming back. They're not bringing Antonio Brown all and none of these things are happening so when you're playing a team that's challenged offensively. Your defense is playing. Well enough you're going to win these games but it's for the Patriots. It's like Lebron. It's about finals. It's not about winning a couple of games in the playoffs about making it to the Super Bowl and you got two teams in front of you. You'RE NOT GONNA win. beat the Ravens inspired I. I would be stunned if they were able to be. Any of those teams because the way that they've played and what a what they've had This year and you know people. Can I act like Tom Radio. Flip a switch and all that. I've been watching him all year and he's not the same guy this is. The guy won the super bowl. Last June throw touchdown had to pick a fumble and barely had two hundred twenty two hundred and something yards Bailey so he didn't play. That won the super bowl going back to a year ago. That's really the beginning meaning of it. I mean the rams defense was better last year than it was this year but that was the beginning of the. Okay let me see the downtick because the offensive line has not been as great great brady is under a lot more duress and you saw it more pronounced years ago when if Tom Brady got hit earlier just you around him. Early everything thing was every throw was rushed at it was low. I mean I gotta get rid of the football. 'cause I can't stand in there and take a hit. And that's look no quarterbacks like to get hit but Brady is not going gonNA stand in there and take a hit and deliver the football. Not that's the one thing. I agree and at forty two and forty two bodies telling them that. And that's the one if if you WanNa take a wide angle lens on the Patriots and an era of almost twenty years of dominance look we give the Dallas cowboys a lot of credit for. Hey they built a team from the offensive line line outlook how good they are. We WanNa do that for them. A few years ago remember there was a big run. WENT DAX rookie year. Well the cowboys offensive line is really the MVP of the NFL bill. It's got to be saying. I figure that thing out in two thousand and three because Tom Brady when did he ever really get hit. Never not comfortable and that makes a big difference. Have you give a quarterback time and protection. I'm talking about you. Don't have to be the greatest quarterback seriously you can deliver the football if you have that time and you know you got a a little time to be able to field and look for your receivers. The problem comes when you're under duress and you just got to kind of get rid of the football and S. woulda mistakes. That's what you throw the picks that's what those things happen or you fumble Footba so Tom Brady has had that benefit no doubt about it. And that's the difference between a quarterback quarterback like Brady and a guy like Ben Rothlisberger. Who when the play breaks down he can step up in the pocket by an extra couple of seconds would find Antonio Brown on wide open or something would be? Patriots led that that was the big Kryptonite for them. But that's the thing is that they figured that out belching that they've always had a good offensive line. There's never been in. This is the first time where you can see the erosion because Brady's getting a little bit older and the offensive line isn't quite as good. And now it's boy brady drops back back in. And and he's under pressure and because you don't have Randy Moss in West welker. It's tighter windows. Throw the football in it. You gotTA throw it faster. It's just not working working as much for him and that that's the that's the real takeaway from this because if you put Tom Brady on a different team like let's just say. Tom Brady left the Patriots at which it looks like. He's he's going to do right VO voiding his contract selling his house. Alex Guerrero selling all of these things. It looks like he's going to go someplace else. Can you imagine him next year on the chargers per se when you have weapons in the backfield to get the ball to and they have weapons at wide receiver Keenan Allen. Still in his prime they have a sense. They got a lot of things that make that attractive and remember. They're trying to sell tickets to a brand new stadium. I think that that's that's scenario is realistic and when you think about the history of the NFL. And all these great quarterbacks quarterbacks right Joe Montana played in Ca- played elsewhere Who Else Peyton Manning? We'll play. We're trying to joan name if plants. Where are you although no? But I'm just saying but but they all moved on memo Brett Farr played somewhere else. All these great quarterbacks artifacts didn't play the entire career named moved on he lied would have been somewhere. I must end put them in the same class but he was super bowls with the giants if he was willing to he. He would've probably would have wound up in in Jacksonville right. He probably could have been down there if he wanted to but he just decided that he wants to stay. What most quarterbacks don't wind up getting the State of whole time and I think if you're the Patriots you've got to think about the future I think I think that's like almost a fait accompli? At this point that Brady's GonNa leave after this year and he's looking at doing. What what Peyton? Manning did peyton manning leaving the colts. I'm coming off this injury. Where am I gonNa go and still be peyton manning? I'M GONNA go to Denver where I'm going to get ten more yards on all my I passes at home because of the thin air. We have weapons on offense. We have a really good defense. I'm going I'm going to give myself a great last three or four years and Brady wants to do the exact same thing. Where am I going to go for the next three to four years of really good quarterback but if he chooses the chargers they have the weapons of the new stadium to have the nice weather? That certainly is a great option for him. The bears could be an option for him depending on them moving on. But because where's where's my spot gonNA be or I it can be Brady again and maybe win one or two more and show Bella chick. I've had this love hate relationship with most of my career. Hey I can win before you can. I totally agree that there's a degree of that where he wants to win. where it says I? I wasn't just a product or system of bill checks system that that it was about me and if you go somewhere else same thing of belichick could have one without Brady. You know what I mean you take a look and say well. It wasn't Brady. 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So we'll sit around at this wedding talking about James Carey Right. VCR's were were taping the show and we couldn't wait to get home to watch how sad it we said. Well the end comes all this report. Does the end looks like. It's coming for a couple of quarterbacks especially after what we saw in week. Sixteen Philip rivers is in the chargers. Fall to the raiders. Look it's a shame that Philip rivers has to go out in a stadium that is mainly filled with the opposing team's fans every week against the raiders. THOUGHT THEY WANNA road. I'm sorry you know. Look I feel bad for. Because he's had a hall of fame career but he said he had a hall of fame. Cherie Has Hookah Philip rivers. Yeah he's got a hall of fame career still playing and he and he's got time he knows he can still play at a high level. I don't see that the chargers no they have to move on. It was clear this year. He's not quite the same quarterback he was. I don't know who says yes Philip Rivers for a year and then we can bridge to our next quarterback I I think he might have to retire in the off season. I agree with you. I don't see it especially when you have an escape clause he. You don't have. It was different if he had one year left. And and you know what I mean and you just decide to well. Let's just go one more year. Whatever but he's done they they can wash their hands and move forward so it would only make sense that you need to do something else to resign? Philip rivers and I've asked people forever some people you just talked to buy the hall of fame. Career steady guy played all these years. I would take an Eli manning's career that which wasn't great during the regular season but as two super bowls any day over Philip Rivers anyday. Oh look. They're both going to the hall of fame especially Eli got his all time record back to five hundred before. They said he lied. Sit Out all right great. I don't want I don't want to be under under five hundred because the hall of fame is going to go. He's not even over five hundred for his career so we got it back to five hundred released but but the the other stuff it's about winning and and when you talk about the same thing with with Philip rivers this something empty there and he had players. Lt was there with him. There was some great players along. The Wade just never could win. There were those playoff game that they lost when Schottenheimer were was the coach You know what I mean. So they were in the mix they just never got there. But it's about winning so I would take a guy especially I always say anybody can win one the stars align everything works out you you get the right balance you know anybody who thinks easy to win one. No easy just said anybody could win but anybody can kitchens. No he can't but once you win twice I think it just puts you in a different D. Do you know what I'm pushing George shortcuts to time. You can't get lucky twice. You can get lucky once hard to get lucky twice. That's why I think Eli lot of people. Don't think that he's a hall of Famer and I think they're mistaken for Guy to win. Two Super Bowls beat beat a super bowl. Mvp of both and Jason have signature throws in both games people. Forget the David tyree. You WANNA call it. Lucky that's fine. That didn't win the game. That wasn't a touchdown. He likes to throw a touchdown plex. Go Birth to win the game so for people always say oh but that was lucky. Keep to watch that play again. See How ally avoids the rush and makes the play. I mean that's a that's a hell of an end the throat. A Manningham is as good as it gets all you drop it yet now phenomenal throat. Greatest go to the hall of fame but still rivers. I come on thank you very much. But unless you starting football team with his all of his kids. There's no way I want Philip rivers on my team. I think it's also ending and should be ending for Mitchell trubisky in Chicago. A look they lose last night. Twenty six to three. But it's not about last night. It's a fact that this is three years in to Mitchell trubisky and clearly he is not it improved. He regrets this year at. You're seeing guys now. She's a different time in the NFL. Where if you're a first round quarterback you get a couple of years but then we're going to move Yvonne from you? Look Josh Rosen. Had a year before the cardinal said okay. We have a high enough traffic. We're moving on. And here's the other part of Bisky is just not been good. You can't waste that defense that Ah you're the bears. Do you know what I mean. So you got to really decide if you're GONNA fix this now or hope that he bounces back when they started the year. Remember against packers and they would they score three points or seven. I think it was just kind of our It was bad from the beginning and it really never got better. No He's he's a player that if he had more around because I will give him this. He doesn't have nearly enough weapons around to succeed. They don't have any anybody any depth. The Wide Receiver Allen Robinson. The running game is not as strong. He needs better players around him but bottom line. He's not a transcendent quarterback. He's not someone that's even shown I can win football games when you give me a chance. I can pull things out in the clutch. It looked like he was getting there a little bit last year but this year is just been such a regression. I mean look. He's going to finish here. He's GonNa Throw Twenty touchdowns he's he's barely gonNA crack three thousand yards and passing. I mean I wouldn't be surprised that Tom Brady says. Hey Baby I go to Chicago. I could throw the ball in bad weather. Just make sure you get me some more weapons. I got a great defense but I mean that's where the bears have to be looking at. We gotta find an upgrade here at quarterback. No I agree. I think that if they're serious about trying to win and they got a defendant place. You need a better quarterback and trubisky. The bisky is taking a step back and really if you bring him back and just think things are going to be okay. Then I think bears fans will be bombed twitter at how about a FRESCA ROB at Rob Parker F S One. It is the Dan. Patrick Show Dan and the Danettes out. Today Jason Rob in for them. We got more. We're on the cowboys. And their complete implosion coming up. Next speaking of implosion we have the browns as well. What to make Beckham Junior would do you talk to Brian? Going to make make the playoffs. The cowboys dupe me. The cowboys do me. 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PMS 2.0 260 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Pereira, Jett Passan, & AJ Hawk

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PMS 2.0 260 - MNF Recap, Aaron Rodgers, Mike Pereira, Jett Passan, & AJ Hawk

"Hello, it is Tuesday September twenty-ninth and Covid has run wild on the Tennessee titans causing absolute chaos in the Scheduling Department of the NFL we'll talk about all that we talk to Aaron Rodgers. It's Aaron Rodgers. Tuesday. Intel Front about that that will continue throughout the entire season and also we'll dive deep into the analytics of Rafic. Mike Pereira conversations about everything happening in the sports world in this podcast? Today is a day where you'll say I'm so thankful. Let let these morons. Penetrate my your holes today show is brought to you by the greatest sportsbook on planet earth and the Moon now. Whenever I tell you the fan duel paid us a lot of Monday say that I'm being completely honest. But even if they weren't to pay us any money and we had no relationships with anybody in the sports gambling or fantasy sports world or a free to play world, we would tell you with a straight face because it's God on his truth that Fan Dole has the greatest tech. 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Much to the Chagrin of the sports books in the entire Monday NFL countdown on ESPN who had the ravens favored over the chiefs over the reigning. Champion's over the reigning Super Bowl Mvp over the quarterback that got paid a half a billion dollars as offseason everybody said about Ravens are going to have their way with them. Lamar Jackson to good after an MVP season last year he's GonNa come in this. You're even better he was they have been that defense has been stingy. Did you see what the chargers did to the chiefs now imagine what they're going to do with an MVP quarterback instead of a rookie and defense it's better than the chargers defense and what everybody said we don't agree with that. But what what everybody said turns out that was all a bunch of bullshit the cancer the chiefs look like they looked in the first night by the way which there was a couple of people on the television and the Internet to said. Are we sure that the chiefs are really that good and this is all because of the chargers game all because of charges team which has played the chiefs very difficult. The past couple of years against Patrick Mahomes team always has for whatever reason no idea what it is, but everybody should be trying to do with the chargers to stop Patrick moms because it feels like this son of a bitch is going to be going for the next. Ten. Fifteen years at the level he's going they were on believable last night we all assumed in this particular office mostly being dumpy I think a couple of others that Patrick Mahomes GPS are going to bounce back and beautiful fashion Andy Reid was going to be very much understanding that his team needs to have big bounceback game. So we'll open up some new wrinkles will make it a little bit more fun a little bit more. We'll go into Baltimore which people are calling game of the year already, and we'll be able to have our way with them and they did by the way, and there was a couple of new plays at any re drew up I think on his little shield where it was awesome. There was an underhand in shuttle pass that was on purpose drawn up designed to be that way totter Patrick Mahomes is just running backwards and turn ball as far as you can I love what he did in the suit bowtie recall harbor. Multiple Times. We had same game parlays all over the place that everybody had the over hitting in turns out it was the only thing. That didn't. Early. Kickoff in kickoff return by the way normally over is going to hit it. So anytime, there's a kickoff return that's very quick. That's a possession scored. They're getting the ball back just scored. That's why they kicked off to begin with normally over instead Lamar, Jackson was not able to do much against this cancer to Jeff Stephen. Now, there's a couple of big runs and couple of early shots there that happened but aside from that, the chiefs were dominant from the beginning to the end and I loved every single second of it mostly because I bet a very, very large amount of money on the chiefs plus three and a half the chiefs money line and achieves alternate spread at plus like. I know minus four or something new. So I made a lot of my now my game parlay that woulda hit for thirty five, thousand dollars did not hit because the Mark Jackson. Didn't score any over in case the two things that should have happened and I would assume would have happened or maybe the most predictable out of the entire nine side parlay that had did not hit for thirty, five thousand dollars but I did hit on the chiefs plus three and a half money line and minus four I made a handsome amount of cash there but it was alarming how dominant they looked we'll talk about that but the big story up today is it's Aaron Rodgers. Tuesday. Rodgers will be joining us in our three to talk about his dominant performance this past weekend wise playing football damn good and also what are his thoughts on everyday life and what are the thoughts on the news that is captivating the NFL land right now news, we had about fifteen minutes before the rest of the world had maybe twenty minutes before the rest of the world had so. Our sources told US K and I chose to tweet out that I knew something that was going to come out strictly because as what I do K- The reason why I do this I don't WanNa get into news breaking game I do not want to get in the news breaking game it's a dangerous game. Because if you're not a hundred percent accurate somebody's GonNa come after you whether it's your opponents who are trying to sneak news out before you or the people you're breaking news about you not being hundred smackers. So the news breaking game is not one that I want to get into, you gotta be gotta be a special type of person getting the news breaking game. WE'VE DABBLED HEY I. News breaking and that's why I've been in their pond before and I don't WanNa swim there anymore because there's stood I would like people to know that. If you if I wanted to I, could potentially dive into that if I if I wanted to Ivanhoe World I could I don't want to in also, I would like to let people know that we are credible place like, hey, this is a credible show. We know things that are going to happen just like everybody else does just like the big networks that have their insiders and everything. We also have that type of operation. So when I took fourteen that there was some rather large news that's about to hit the NFL world pretty soon just know that I knew that's all I want people to know that we knew I just wanted people know that we knew in that big news was. covid nineteen one onto the top rope jumped as high as possible. In Macho Man. Randy. Savage Elbow drop the Tennessee Titans on. I mean absolutely bring it down from the clouds on Tennessee teens. Three new player positives five new personnel. Positive is this morning or yesterday for a covert nineteen case in Tennessee Titans Building Mike Garafolo in Tom Pellicer reported that. We have. Sure I don't think we had the exact numbers, but we did know that there was a covert nineteen outbreak on what team it was in house affecting a lot of we knew a lot of information information in both the titans and the Vikings who hosted them Sunday we'll suspend in person club activity starting today. Okay. So there's a lot unfolded everybody assumed that this was. going. To happen at some point. All right. The Internet was this isn't breaking news. We knew this was going to happen this. The reason why it is breaking news is because we just got slapped in face for the first time something that doesn't happen to the NFL. The NFL is now going to have to change completely for some outside source that they cannot control. So. For instance right now, Covid nineteen has the Tennessee titans kicked out of their facility until Saturday it says, now the NFL has come out and said, we don't have a set protocol for return to building because each case is different and they're meeting with infectious disease doctors and manage maintenance in all this other clean sweeping the entire building. There's all this stuff going on. But everybody is that basically that they're shutting down the building until at least Saturday those games most be Sundays what's that mean? They don't practice what's that mean this games postponed. Okay. So now the steelers would have done nothing wrong never still have done nothing wrong not not that the titans have done anything wrong. Either one guy might have had a kid who went to. School and somebody at the school I, touch his hand because there's so many different ways for this to happen. So I'm not saying anybody in the wrong but no steelers test positive. Now, the steelers since they're playing the titans, their games postponed to Sunday, and this is all just while we none of this has come out announced, but if a team can't be in. The building until Saturday game Sunday, let's assume are they going to travel or they like what are they a? There's no way like you can't can't play the game. So now the steelers have a week four bye week, which is absolutely terrible. That's bad timing in there is actually a setup in the schedule for an actual possible return, and that comes in week seven the. Best Solution for rearranging the steelers titans schedule steelers titans don't play Sunday, which is this particular week for steelers by week I don't know what the titans are going to do I. Guess they have a bye week to I dunno steelers Ravens get pushed from week seven to week eight because both teams have buys then steelers titans play week seven titans have a scheduled. By on that week seven. So now the titans, we'll take a by this week steelers take a by this week. The steelers were against the ravens gets pushed one week, and then week seven when the steelers will play the titans because the titans are already on a bi week. So the NFL schedule makers will hopefully come out and victory parade distance. Say We knew this And say that this is a viable answer or a viable option for this particular situation. But this is the first of what I would assume isn't going to be the only and it's going to be interesting to see how they balanced games where they moved games with postponed the entire week at games at the end, because we do know that the NFL has the hotels in Tampa Bay for the Super Bowl for an extra month after what the Super Bowl is schedule, which is not normal by the way I was told that is not normal. So is the NFL now? Getting a chance to showcase a plan that they had made or is the NFL. Now currently sitting in a room in New York going what the fuck? Out Assume, it's potentially the latter because in this particular world, there's no way they knew whether or not they were still going not be allowed to have people in stadiums at this point out assume there was a thought one month into the stadium which one month into the season which we are now that there would be a figure it out thing for the nineteen because remember at one point covered, which is a two week by week for the entire country, and then now it's become more list I would assume that any preparation that you have or any planning that you could have had had happened months ago but everything changes. So quickly who knows if? Anything that they had planned for is even a viable option right now with the way things are going. It's insane a wild time to be alive, and now the NFL is going to have to adapt in a fashion that the MLB had to do with the Marlins what the college football is going to have to do it. Some has already done because they've had to move a lot of games fifteen or sixteen of them. Now, the NFL's going to have to do, let's see how it goes. I'm pumped up about speaking a baseball web jet pass and joining us and WANNA clock standard time because I guess baseball is playing right now playoff start today whoa. No baseball got through a regular season travel around country planning against people in their home stadiums, and now they're at the playoffs, which is the most important part, which is what all of them all wanted to get to. Because this world the money's coming from. Congrats at a baseball people we'll talk to jeff about who's plan I have no idea I heard to read, Zorin? Herbstreet said wow. That's Cincinnati. For Him Mike. Pereira. Aaron. Rodgers hell of a Tuesday. September twenty twenty-ninth. We would like your thoughts and your ideas on what the NFL's going to do with this covert situation. In Tennessee, also your thoughts for if you're a steelers fan and now your team that's really hot right now, three zero finding their stride. He's forced to take an early by weeks. They don't even get to enjoy a full by week guys a chance to really said anything up or anything like that. They get a bullshit by week. Early in the season Incor-. Bali is very very early. Now, you got a nice thirteen week runner or thirteen week run. You'RE GONNA have gone straight into another four five weeks if you want to make it to the super bowl let alone if that's delayed another six weeks after. Nine hundred nine more weeks if you want to make dinner super, Bowl, maybe twenty, would you say to make it good for the steelers fans at tone digs. You've got to be a little bit frustrated about what happens. There's there's three frustrating things here in one is the bye week being moved the week four, which you have said many many times is possibly the worst by week to potentially have especially when you are starting to hit your stride and figure things out going into a nice little here. Number two. Only three players test positive that's going to happen and it's going to postpone games that might be an issue in a number three and most importantly, this distracting from Lamar Jackson thrown for ninety yards last night looking like a piece of Shit Oh. Only, the MVP my bill, the Ravens in the market and a pass now because of covid and that's just not something that should happen. Okay. So diehard steelers fan who tone digs right there. Just had a lot because your life has been. Turned upside down and the steelers did nothing wrong here and it's ruined. Potentially. Season yeah, potentially I mean that's that's a long time on the other side of this by week for Ben Rothlisberger to stay upright. I mean that is a long time supposed to be a week by week or whatever. In that is by the way. That is the perfect time for. The perfect by league right in a minute right after the ravens I mean, it's going to be a black and blue game. You can get a nice by week to heal up and go into the rest of the season. Here you are week for play the Ravens, which you do said quarterbacks a piece of shit. You said other last night. I mean, why? Personally on the field? Okay. He always good news. which asked me good news for the steelers. If you're watching that because Lamar Jackson came out afterwards and said basically that the scheme that they run is his Kryptonite or their Kryptonite and. The KRYPTONITE is get ahead and make them have to pass the entire time which they did not do by the way they ran a lot. He missed a couple balls throwing they were still running rather hard whenever they were down. So I didn't fully understand that but boy Patrick Mahomes, chiefs three and zero against the Mark Jackson and Ravens, and by the way that's not just a Lamar Jackson stat patch moms and the chiefs are pretty undefeated against damn near everybody came up. On, believable. So not look great but the covered thing let's go back to what you said about three people testing positive. That's real I thought. And I might be wrong but I thought the reason why you test everybody on such a regular basis is so if a positive comes up, you can isolate said some bitch, get them away from everybody so then everybody else can continue to operate three positive players five positive personnel, contact tracing who knows how many that is. But if you keep them out of the building, why do they have to shut down the entire building cleaning thing out and keep it moving because if it was all over the building more than three and five three players, five personnel test positive or? Are they just doing this out of an abundance of caution because these are the first positive test they've had in weeks in the NFL and they're just worried that it could potentially take out an entire facility. So is big news also this weekend when Falcons Corner Aj Terrell got it, and so the one one player on the team had it and but everyone else tested negative. So he sat out and they still play the game. What's the difference between one player and three played? Well, that's the big thing because if you're testing everybody and that's why the world is so. Anxious for. Reliable daily tests that are affordable right because once that happens allegedly now, everything could get flipped on the site complete bullshit like everything has this point but if everybody can get tested, then you have the ability to separate the people that have it away from the people that don't have it. So the people that don't have a live their lives a little bit maybe the people that don't have it can open. Their businesses backup that they've run for fifteen years that they haven't been able to open for six months and potentially took every single fucking dollar out of their pocket and everything that worked for if they don't have it I thought that is what the testing was four. So if you have availability for tests, you can get the people that have it away from the people that don't have it and if three people. Will have it in nobody else has it that means have you done a good job of keeping people socially distant and wearing masks gas congratulations good job. But now let's keep them out of the building until they don't have it anymore to clean tests or whatever, and then let him back I'm one hundred percent with you. There I. Don't know why three positives for the players five for the personnel automatically means shut. Down the entire building. But if that's going to be the case, the abundance of caution that every other NFL team was gonNA have to show this sign in warning every other team is going to have to take from. This is a massive one at Boston Connor I assume bill belts that pretty well lockdown. But we have known in heard stories from people like, Hey, the person delivered food coughed on my my kids. Grabs it. Took my fingers shoved it in my ear somehow I got covert disown knows this could happen to anybody at this point. I would assume however NFL team feels in it probably fighting the same fight worth fighting it like, Hey, if three people get it running, shutting down I thought that's why we're testing everybody here is they know whether exactly there at all times that meter thing that like little risk advil there with the contact tracing wristband that the wearing it's kind of like a a woop band on them, and soon as you get closer somebody, it turns a different color and lights up or something, and then it probably keeps that person's thing logged in. In the frame it's like, okay. If this person ends up positive in the next five days, everybody that's touch it in the NFL I would assume that's probably why those three players I would assume have been in contact or in the contact tracing apartment with everybody in the locker room, and then a personnel people five of them they probably been contact with everybody. They probably had to just shut down because of contacting at this point. That's probably what we think. It's three very important players and that's why. Do you think it's possible that Derrick Henry. Tannahill. And John Smith. Got It. So. This is really bad at Schmidt. Their big packers fan I don't know I honestly think that there's a chance that it's the contact tracing thing because the contact tracing thing that was a big day for college. Football teams because college football teams one guy gets that entire Dover meeting rooms out now you're fifteen players and it's like well, we can't field team or whatever. So I don't I think it's probably the contact tracing thing if we were to. Dissect. So although only three came back positive, those three were dosing tone. What's another thirty guys in the lock maybe playing the cornhole socially disengaged but you could potentially touch the bag and have somebody else add it. I would assume that that is where that's at showers on how their shower and I don't know how that's going out there on a bus travelling assume you're sitting next to people in while you're walking through the bus, you're probably paying being. Being being yeah and the titans traveled to Minnesota right they're all on. The same air together I would assume it's contact tracing. That is the problem here from our show chuck, Robinson Who? Is still a thing. He was told that both titans and Vikings Franchise became aware of the covert outbreak late last night early, this morning began contact tracing it included contact tracing on the titans return flight, which is suggested that an infected person was in a teams traveling party in on the plane. So there we go. By the way I saw colts doing like community events last week. Really I wonder if those of things Stop Lick legit community events are great. Give him back is great. But what if that's what one of the players did Monday right? Who knows I'll train can't stop here I mean they do after shut everything down that's extracurricular if they want to keep the season go yeah. But what about making the world a better place? Oh, you can do that after the Super Bowl. Football nights world their place. Wilson while. Hey Man people. What is the today brother? Yes. Did the titans ruined the whole NFL season? Yup Sixty two point three percent nope. Thirty seven point eight percent. Okay. So did the titans ruin the whole NFL season titans don't deserve that now from what we've heard about this particular thing is you never know how you can get it or spread it, but it is wild at that contact. Tracing thing is probably just go ham on them. Don Don Don Don Don got it. Got It. Got It. Got It. Got It. Got It. Got It. And then they'll get. Negative. So then it's like who's right the little fucking wristband. or The test. or The wristbands created by the test makers because the tests makers are under the assumption that nineteen spreads if you're even near each other, but the tests are saying, no. So the contact tracing thing even worth it well, now we're in a conundrum now, who are those players near who are on the Vikings that when they're on the field? All negative tests coming out of the vice back-back days that is a big deal it. When you remember back to the MLB, the Yankee shut down because they were playing somebody or the phillies shut down because they were playing the marlins and they thought they did potentially had spread on the baseball while there throwing a fastball Koerbel in the real problem was the knuckle because that thing tova just non out of. Bounce ever turns out nobody on the opposing team has got covered yet via. Play on the field. I don't know if that's true yeah. I'm not a hundred percent. Sure. Work. But if we go back to the very beginning of this thing, WHO's at Utah Jazz player that played the Bond Rudy. Not Rudy Gobert rich that was interesting. To know what we know now but Rudy Gobert wild move there. But he got his teammate who's sitting right next in dollars and Mitchell. And so that was contactor. That's probably when the contact tracing things started. It was like, okay. Now, we have to think about not only the person who they've been around. Let's make these bands boom boom boom. That's probably what's going on titans thing everybody's got contact trace. Now we have to test everybody numerous times because they said, a different test was being given out to the context people. It was like point of something tests the people that have been contact no, no, it was. It felt like going to a store or to a doctor at the building. And I would assume all those people at the past what to negative but it takes twenty four hours. So status, what about Tuesday? So that's four days. That's Saturday's the shutdown date that means game Sunday is definitely getting postponed or canceled. Okay I'm happy to figure this out. Maxine Hawk sports talk begins on this beautiful Tuesday Aaron Rodgers Tuesday joining us right now from an addict at his mansion in. Columbus Ohio Super Bowl champion national champion Mr Aj Haw. going. On. Goes Right. You're that blue shirt because your blue eyes good idea. Good idea for Aaron Rodgers. Tuesday that is very smart a every time. I. Wear Something Blue I. Think you say that to me. Well, it's good idea because right now you're giving us this death stare with those incredibly baby blue is if you have it this captivating almost at this point how you can't wear urban does not like if you wear blue around him, I found it out I. Don't know four or five years ago I was playing in a golf event with we're like a navy shirt which would to blue and I'm like I didn't even. I didn't even think about shirt I realized longtime ago. That's probably what happened on that boat that guy had a blue shirt he said take off off the boat. That's why the guy was rolled around naked in the back there. Have got an answer for who that guy was. Still a No lady ladies and gentlemen joining us now is a man that needs no introduction but I'm GonNa give it to them. From California, oh. This man was the number one overall pick in a draft long long long ago. Instead he just fell and fell in Vail. People said, this guy is a draft bust. This guy is a bum. Then all night on a team that he was drafted to the Green Bay packers he dragged out of the tunnel and he saw Stott tap of greed. He looked did a friend and said, tonight's going to be a big night he gets on. The football field he starts giving out suck it signs in dropping dimes, and here we are decades later in the man is still at the top of its Game Ladies and gentlemen perennial all pro and pro bowler a guy who is living his best life not because it may be his personal life but because he decided to look inside and be a much happier person than he's ever been before ladies and gentlemen twelve any raw Aaron Rodgers. How many five our energies are you gonNA. Armory. Jacked up ten Rogers Tuesday dupe great shirt time. Suck. It. Signs were happy that got to you at the stadium you look unbelievable in. Hey. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Love. I was. Almost, put on the four, the brand, but I just wanted to. Almost double layered it it is. No. That is that's where you actually worked to shirts. Nips that I appreciate the package. Thank you boys. Hey No problem. We appreciate your presence on the show every Tuesday let's get to it. Hey, another great night down in. New, Orleans, we talked about last week with you on the Minnesota where you're talking about normally that place is very loud and you're able to use a hard count that was a bid talking point by everybody. Night after you played down in New Orleans, you're able to use the hard count to your advantage on the road is in were you about to call time out on that play because everybody was talking about that and do you wait until like the perfect moment to use a hard count? Does the team know what's coming? How is the process of going through that whole thing? About I, think some of its competitive advantage. So I can't fully. So but there's some competitive advantage locked up in that in that question, which makes you an even better. Interviewer. Congrats to you. My friend. Well. No but you know what? I saw on that specific particular play where the Mario jumped off sides you know right before. The case your upsides? He almost jumped outside he walked to the edge of the line. and. Was Timing. It looked like he was looking at the play clock as well behind me. I was looking at the one up until the right and saw it going. You know from two to one got the last canes and he jumped we snapped it. was definitely thinking about calling time out. Had that. At jumped and then you know we kept playing. And on up to. Lazard who was getting handcuffed by. Jenkins. and. It went from third to conversion five yards to a offsides and pass interference or at the ball and the one and obviously went ahead to scores which you know put us in really good position I'd say. Aaron, what do you think if? I could just say hypothetically some time down the road like some coaches get together and people say you know what this an unfair advantage that the packers had with Aaron Rodgers in his heart count like do you think you could ever envisioned time where they changed the rules football because you are so good at this? Look I don't me I think other guys are using art counts. I think we had one over the years. It's been really tough to to time up just because the rhythmic nature of it. And then just the amount of snap Gaza we have. I. Mean We have I guarantee more snap counts in India team in the League. Not By. you know maybe by design it's by. boredom probably just creativity and a lot of them don't even come from me. You Know David. Bahktiar might suggest doing something a certain way or Corey Lindsey our center You know a guy from the from the Mideast from Columbus region. Just, he might suggest A. Type of cadence but. The beauty is when you can not dry your own guys off sides. We've had one false start so far in three games and drawn five either neutral zone infractions or offsides with free place. So we like that the one ratio it's been good for us. We had a third and seven early in the game. and we got both the ends to jump. they blew dead, but we have to explain converted. So you know and like I've said, it's not always about just the hard counts about not leading a defensive line get off you know with the big jump on the snap but again, you know you mentioned it not playing with any you know anybody in the stands makes a big difference in an environment like New Orleans and Minnesota or two road games where the noise is always a problem I forgot about you getting them to jump early you're pissed off that they blew that dead did they tell you on the spot like they seem to be unimpeded to the quarterback? What was that conversation? That when they said, the right tackle moved before the ball was snapped. Upon further review. That was not correct. You didn't say by the way somebody else said that you were just echoing that statement that you just made their. Because whenever you say that you have the most kate inches or whatever I find it very interesting because Chris Collins Worth I. believe he talked about in the game that the New Orleans Saints Defense has the most amount of looks out of any team that he's ever seen her most amount of schemes and they said that they ask you guys about and you're like, we're not gonNA try to figure out what they're doing. We're just GONNA do what we're doing is that true in our saints like? Abnormal in that particular fashion. I think it said. Family of defense, which is. Steve SPAGNOLO. Dennis Allen the Ryan brothers. They've always given a number of different looks. Kinda the first a resurgence of the three four. In all facets with with a lot of different odd looks on third down odd spacing looks with the guards were uncovered. Yep. Stand up linebackers. We didn't see as much of that. The first two games that had a lot of life kinda the odds facing stuff with the the Mark Davis and. Malcolm up their mind different blitz looks out of that I felt like they were more Ford outspacing Sunday night. So the guards were recovered and leather looks a lot of Aa gas pressures or pressure looks So that was a good change by. Coach Allen and their defense for us. It was about just being efficient they really nice job. On. Third Down Again, we're five eleven four or five, four to five in the red zone. So winning Situational Football we've been pretty tough to beat. So for the double barrel gets you know what? I mean. How how different was that place from? I don't think I've ever won in New Orleans was actually when there was fans there how different was compared to what it's like when it is full Wage I. Think you were there for both of their games and no eight and fourteen The only one was alone next for. Fifty, two, twenty, nine, I think. Drew probably threw more touchdowns than incompletions at night. And then fourteen wasn't wasn't that much better. You know another beat us by multiple scores again. It it is. Place Plays Loud. It's Noxious crowd that has just non stop to credit their fans because they are on the entire time but it's It's definitely one of the toughest places to play. From an energy standpoint and I think that's the thing you've seen the most I felt our own defense, a planet home and a week to. The defenses really feed off the energy of the crowd I think it's the noise that that helps and. I. Think you've you've seen cross league at least three games that we played. Not the same type of energy on defense from our opponents and our own our own defense. So I, think that's one thing that's interesting as we look at kind of this new. Twenty twenty NFL season, and one of the differences I think is. Energy level is is is low and starts with the lack of fans stadium. I guess wanting to run your face into somebody as opposed to running away from getting your face hit. There's two different energy levels. There's one I'm trying not to die in the other one is all I'm trying to kill somebody. So I would assume that whenever you have a little bit of energy behind that one, it would I didn't even think about the absence of energy your fans being a little bit of a problem for the defensive side of the ball make sense though now that you mentioned like the Coliseum. Couple of gladiators and the crowd is doing the tail. Yeah Yeah. Yeah you're the one getting killed normally. Kind of. The entire mission for the defense and for. Their fans I wanNA talk to you a little bit more football schematics deep in football game because. Play actions a real threat right now for the Green Bay, packers play action you're by the way do you take pride in making it look as if you're giving the ball off because I feel like that's not something that's talked about anymore is the beautiful play action by the quarterback little magician hands if you will. But that also plays into how well the offensive line and Aaron Jones and Jamaal Williams are doing that is a whole different facet that I don't think we've really seen you to weaponize in some time. The beauty and the play call on the other night. Really Stout Defensive Line. And we just kept him off balance. We we had the first couple of weeks around a Lotta keepers we ran. Five or six and all but one were successful for us You know hit lazard for about forty eight. You know when we got the ball back. to Go ahead, that's corporate US up thirteen seven we had you know the second play, the game when I town Bobby, Tynan cut to those about thirty yards j Sternberg had one. So they were very effective for us We didn't we also ransom play action. I don't feel like you know some of the action this week was as good because. Of the fact that many of the place where we had like a play and call knock him Jenkins blitz off the edge. So a lot of the actions that we had worn able to really sink up as well. However, I felt like they were very timely and just the you know again it's it's it's a combination of things looking just like the run. The offensive line's by impacted level, and then the sync up of the you know the fake and the running backs body language and I think we did a pretty good job on that. I love the call there on the goal line up thirty to twenty, seven, two minutes left in the game you know with them running empty zero pressure on about five of six snaps in a row and Mattie call that Play Action boot with the. Tight in blocking the release to flat out with that was a great call and wide open touchdown. Put US ahead by you know, two scores and really. Put the game away but you know again it was a strange that we only had about fifteen or sixteen true dropback passes for for a normal game that's really low and I really did like the the change in in the flow of the. Game that Matt called. Do you ever. You ever call off wave off any calls coming in from the sidelines and your helmet or? Another move that I know defensive guys have used in the past you could say your your speak out and so you can call what you want done that. have done a ton of end. Couldn't hear. What are you? A family. Every now, and it's real. You know I can't believe in in Florida's messing around last year the helmet went out. Three times probably. and. He could not believe in the second time I went out. He thought I was messing with him. Then, I faked one in between the second and the third time I did. Why can't? He was like Oh my God you just see him just freaking out inside. And laughing point Adam. But? But it went out again I had the where the backup helmet four times I think in two years which I in in the thirteen years the saying that eleven years of Mike, and I were together. I mean two maybe three times and eleven years to my helmet ever go out and we're talking about three times four times in in two years with the with the floor. He said some choice words for so many the. Helmet people Times. But Yeah I. Don't know what it is. It's IT'S A it's a little crazy. So sometimes, it does happen you. kind of make a play based on the personnel. That's the game plan. Well, enough you can kind of fit in those parameters or you want to kind of go rogue you can. Pull somebody ask do you think's GonNa work? Yeah. So basically, what it sounds like you're trying to say is that the recent development of five G. over the last couple of years. What, Hey, there's some birds fall into of. These are. All of it. Yeah Strange things going on Oh we. This. Is. What does it? Say, about all this great question, I'll tell you what you can dive back and they got the murder Hornets right I mean they got numerous I laid out entire video I think it has like seven hundred. Brazilian views at this point like twenty-five coincidences that were predicted to t by Matt groening in his time traveling little squad over there. Oh boy is the time traveller. Well you would know if there are people that do that because you're like in that world up there. Aaron Rodgers. So if you find out, will you please relay the message to set off by the way Tosh when he got? Aaron you told US these first couple of weeks that you want us to Kinda not overreact and just go with the flow. I mean after what's happening and from your experience at what point do you know like? Okay I mean it's no reaction. It is what it is. We're pretty fucking special because that's how I'm feeling right now is love who ties love. I'm feeling good. That's important. I know that you know there are some overreactions on draft night and Maybe. Maybe by like he was Super Mad Mel. Did you see Mad Mellon mmediately or was it the next day? When did you see Mademoiselle? But I love that was. So. Funny. Thank you. But it has been three weeks we've played the. What I think are three good football teams. You know obviously Detroit's a win against undefeated Arizona who beat San Francisco in week one. Detroit obviously had Chicago on the ropes in each one probably could be doing one easily Minnesota's lost some really tough games besides ours obviously last week you they other leading to scores at one point that game New Orleans is a good football team. They're going to be right there I think coming down the stretch so I feel good about where we're at. The way we want is different. You know F- tie you know this was any other packer fan. There's been some consternation about winning ugly last year. It was kind of like the thing. Oh, we're just real or winning, but it's okay we're the worst thirteen and three team in the history of the. bla-bla-bla. And I what are we kept saying it's all about winning right and then the way we're winning might not have been produced but the fact that we're we're winning. talked a lot about character. Now, what are we saying this year? You know you know now with offense, right? So there's consternation about how many points for a given. It's always going to be something with all the pundits. Now, the patent AJ funding says, well, I'm sure they have their own theories and things they wanna say about it but the fact that they were winning pretty pretty special obviously Chicago's three division as well so on. Like where we're at, I like what we're doing I. Think Sunday, I said it during the week it was going to be good measuring stick for us. About team I know that there are there's no no fans but it's still you know still road trip it's different environment. And the way that we played there especially, you know rather from the second quarter on this was really really good winning football. We've been concentrating about a lot of things over here. Okay. What a word by the way I'm still not harm central or what that means but I am pump the used it on this show and thought this was the right crowd use it. I. Mean that makes me feel good and boys feel good. There was one other thing that wouldn't take away from saints game before we move on and talk about. This Tennessee titans situation in what you guys were told before the season started about this potential exact situation happening I would like your take on that. But before we get to that, it's at the leflore kind of had zoom call and you guys eliminated plays that neither of you liked and just got more dialed in in the off season. I hadn't heard that from anybody else. They talked about that on Sunday night is that normal? Is that something that should be surprising to people or was that just kind of something you in Leflore? This is probably what we should do. Let's figure out what we both like a move forward with it. I mean I don't know how normal is but There's not a lot of. Kind of quarterbacks my age with with young coaches. It'd be thinking about a lot of situations with older quarterbacks You know Tommy's with. What Bruce has been head coach for a long time. Bannon and Mike Tomlin. Drouin, Sean Payton you know. I think it was important for both of us me to grow and get accustomed to new system and Matt to you know take some input from. myself WHO's been around for a long time and? It was a beautiful blending of ideas and creativity and I. think that's what we're trying to figure out first year who do we have personnel is How can we fit this new scheme and a couple of the things we did well over the years? Into the system. And it's off season. We just went back through every play and and. You know the install phase in how we wanted to kind of going out putting concepts together and putting actions together and. just the teaching process and I thought it was streamlined really really well on yet we took some plays out that you know maybe it worked in the system at various times in previous stops map. But maybe we just don't have the personnel to to make that work or the type of guys that that we want to run in certain concepts, Arauz and. I felt like I was just really good for us really streamline all the reads and the progressions which. Professions are not just for quarterbacks there. They helped the receivers out as well because understand. Where I'm at the progression is the timing at which I need to be open on my route. I think. We just kind of took. The football IQ up a little bit with our. With our creativity in our meetings. To where I feel like the teaching and the concepts and installs were just really Good place for the guys to learn it and understand it. and. to kind of take step in in the football Iq part which I think is really important for Aug that'd be pretty empowering for you to have that conversation where it's like, Hey, listen hate it and also we're going do it. Let's do this and then for him also to be like Hey I think you could be good at this. If we do this, that's an that's not a normal conversation. Nobody's calling me into the thing whenever I'm on a team saying, pat you think we're teaching this right now I think it's stupid. We do that. All right get the fuck out of the building. told so that has to be pretty empowering for you, and then let's go to the Tennessee Titans situation major I'm sorry for this but the Tennessee titans situation is such an anomaly of a situation that we haven't seen ever. In the NFL. We're about to postpone a game. Potentially teams aren't allowed in their building until Saturday allegedly did you guys know that this was potentially going? To be the protocol for if a team has an outbreak and how much will this affect the titans not being in the building Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday for a game on Sunday against the steelers. Yeah. I mean. But I just thought that I'm not sure what that means. You know entirely from Nebula building I would assume they're going to try to do some sort of zoom meetings. to put some sort of install in. You know we talked about the possibility of this and then what could what could happen look like because of the trackers they were wearing? And the way that they're. Delivering information based on. Who you're and contacts within six feet, number of seconds and. All this you know. Analytical Data I would assume that they were just a lot of people affected. You know in those numbers you know. So yet three guys test eight people test positive I guess and those eight people must've been in close proximity. Of So many people that. It must have been best just to to wait I I don't understand or what are we at Tuesday here why it's Saturday But. Finishing see happens this is definitely a barometer for the rest of the League should something like this happen again, the Vikings obviously were played the titans. So they have to do some sort of stay out of the building as well. I believe I'm not sure if you. Haven't heard about that but. But? Yeah, this is. Interesting. You know kind of pivot. Point League hopefully We don't have more than those guys test positive Let's see what happens. How do you think you guys would do if you did have a virtual week right now like titans may have and then come in Saturday maybe a little walk through play Sunday how do you think it would it would work out? A body. Wise feel pretty good. But I think it'd be hard because you know those reps on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday. So important for us because you really going through the plan and I like this too and I like this what for us on this and then you know you, it's not just live reps but the Walkthrough Reps. be able to see plays with different coverages is so important to give them a positive picture when you break the huddle feeling good about the play that's called. So it'd be it'd be strange for sure I mean I've played before without practicing. not easy. You know 'cause you you timing everything just a tad bit off you don't have those those wraps account fall back on but. Y- I. Mean I. Think the interesting thing age about his. Tennessee. Not Putting. MINNESOTA. This week Minnesota. Explained Houston I believe I'm not sure Tennessee plays but still definitely, I would think an advantage for. The opponents of those teams fries. steelers steelers who they're playing that particular D. Line there and I don't know if I ask you this last week or not. But whenever you've at zero secs so far this season. To. Pro, football focus zero. Pro Football, focus now They. Name me the decade we need them not to go anywhere. They need to exist they the of the deck, and so we have to hold on to that company and not you know what I mean like we need them to exist. So I can. Pro Football Focus I didn't. Every was very, very interesting. All right. So I'm not even gonNA. Ask about that. We'll just keep moving in a different fashion. When you watch Patrick Mahomes play football gay you've seen him act you guys are great at. I mean, we have great slew of NFL quarterbacks do and good acting rate you. You even had a good reaction whenever I forgot that bulk because once I see you throw that ball away from the dog I immediately turn my attention to how heartbroken the dog. I don't even think about the potential window that you broke where they shouldn't have been standing there. Happy. Gilmore. Situation and you have good at the action acting, which was very nice. But when you see Patrick mahomes play. And I'm not going to say this just because you're on the show. Very reminiscent of Aaron Rodgers style football right at his very, very reminiscent Aaron Rodgers style football making plays out of nothing absolute canon of an arm dissecting defenses whenever you see Patrick mom play like last night. For instance, they said, he struggled against the chargers or whatever, and then you watch that game last night. What do you think when he watch like the next generation of guys? Is there any thoughts for you or is it just like as good a football or do you look even deeper than that? Well. First of all I'm just so happy that all the pets again I want to say you were involved with those commercials. You say we are not certain that we are unhappy. As far as I'm concerned I mean as. Far as I know doing. Great. I'm Pat MOMS Fan. I really am I I enjoy. Watching them play? I enjoy his demeanor. I think he's a fun guy to be around. He's got A. You got a lot of character. any sup- supreme accounts you know enjoy. Watching Washington play I. Think. Those always. It's always fun watching kind of the next group of guys come up and seeing how they play and. you I. I've said it before with all with the most amount of respect and I'm not gonNA say some derogatory here which a lot of times people do when they say with all due respect. That's what that statements four by the way is. A hammer right after that. You know I do see similarities in our games for like be able to move into pocket beyond around throw on the run just things last scrimmage You know Me Able to make all the throws on the field. An impressive. It is impressive. I think he's You know he put together. A. Really Nice start to his career. Manager Watch I haven't I enjoy watching the Mars well, I enjoy watching college he does things on the field Nobody since Michael Vick has done as far as lettuce ISM. Last year and last night, there's times are not blocking guys and leaving a free edge guy and it's almost like A. That matter to him because he's not making the play now they locked down on the back end pretty saw last night when he was able to to really get free. And was thrower but you know he's a special type of athlete and you're seeing more and more. Guys in the League were having success and be able to use their legs and I got in the league getting was a lot of you know more stationary guys. You was prototypical six five guys who you know were pocket passers and there weren't a lot of guys like myself. You know even when I grow up on Football Steve Young was anomaly guys didn't play like that. Randall. Cunningham you know and then Michael Vick. Municipal have a lot of guys who who were able to use their legs and there's been. A lot more in the last decade. Guys playing who user legs and could be passed verse guys out of pocket but are also Extremely, talented You know extended place grammar first downs and and making big place last week. Pat had a you know I. Think they had like a third in twenty. Minutes the chargers he. You know he scrambled around step in the pocket and took off and you know as a twenty one yard gain for a first down probably the most innovative play that game was that his ability to extend the play, a uses legs and I and on, and that's you know I had the. Little old guy. Special Sunday night, and then we third twelve ago the pocket and got thirteen guy looks explosive runs. Dude sneaky athlete obviously crafty I last hour type of guy. But you looked fast you look good out there. You know if if if Lazard, can you give me a block I had. A. And we've heard PAT mahomes say his first year starting. He didn't even really understand how to read coverage is under serious what your knowledge and understanding of the game is now compared to when you came in the league. Well. There's Water Jesus we've been hearing the whole fucking. I wish it was purple. Bottle and I can't wait to get that to maybe do coast. Both of US could sponsor sponsored. Listen If we get a PDF ideal. I've been begging for it since I'm probably eighteen years old at this point all in. If I need a ride Aaron, Rodgers coattails in the pedialyte Ville, I am flying high now. Those I think you can do that Ej can get their green shitty used to drink all the time. I don't know what that was. Still I'm sure like on his third spark of the day. He's probably twice because. We. Heard it. We heard it a little bit ago actually. Heard Emerald? Was Fat I'm sorry the Defense of the game you're. From one dollars, yeah yeah. Thank you. Could you read. Thing. When you got to the League I sorry I had to bury Aj Real quick quick quick. Question. I would appreciate false. I don't think I've. Seen The beauty and the recall is so important in our position being able to remember things and looks that happened years ago a decade ago in in a moment the League is a cyclical league. Things come back all the time know there's I'm sure there's things I saw early in my career started making its way back You know there's trends that happen I've seen a lot of trends on both offense and defense over my time. I, mean remember where the wildcat was going crazy and Miami ran it and. You know no one England with Ronnie Brown throwing passes and running the ball and give it to Ricky Williams and. And it's just a plant by the way and you know all the things. A vitamins, vitamins by the way it all the things that we've seen over the years obviously with Seattle, the Legion of boom and their. Defense is so many. So many teams have run. You know they just me things that I've seen. It's really hard to. To to get surprised now, there's there's every now and then you see look it's totally different or somebody disguise some it's really different but. there's a comfort level that I've seen. So many looks that I feel like I can. Make the right reactions in real time and. just kind of rely on those those experiences those memories. Let's go to phone call before we let you go you want Roscoe or John. Roscoe. Rosco vote what's going on pal? Hey, man I will. Huge Fan and computer talk to you I appreciate Michael. Dream maker Yeah, you're Keep it like the question I know you're a game of thrones, afterlife shows I. Love. What other show out there should I be watching I know you like to shows I like what other shows should we watch it? I mean I would say the office if you haven't seen the office so. Would get canceled by canceled culture probably within the first couple of episodes joking. But it's a never wanNA think it's it's phenomenally. Done the British office is what I I got into with Ricky Gervais. Some big big ricky fan is to only two seasons like many of his shows and their. Gold I was a little adverse to the American office at first just because I was such a fan of the British obvious anything. There's any way that could do justice but they did and nominal show So I've like I said it's I don't know if it's on this or a different. Different episode probably wasn't a showed in the show has been my favorite thing. But. I did say that you know I've been I've been watching the office multiple times three when. It holds up every single time to. Ted last the more I become a fan of Robert California. Yes. In the office, but you need to Ted Lasso Ted lasts horrid. I heard it's a what's his name do on the soccer coaching football but yeah, Ted lassoed. Jason's Jason is I know my one saw off Broadway. US Cultured. Jersey. Boys I know it was what's that movie? Robin Williams teaches the kids at poets side poets no big deal uncultured how you doing keep it moving before we let you go I'm sorry we have to let them go. We have to get to a break literally. I read an article, a couple of them these got sent to me whenever people found out that your coming on every Tuesday that I have to ask. What's that? What's that his hands I'm just talking to keep going I just want to know about the alien thing you show everybody tweeted me because you and I should have very similar views on a lot of things. It sounds like ricky surveys, the office life dropping dime socket signs, and by the way. I am all in. This was a big story in your life. tweeted it probably fifteen times a day. Ask Him ask him ask him ask them. What is your? ufo experience this is unbelievable. Every night I go out looking for one literally I'm always got come on. Let me see someone getting on camera. Let's have it night together you and I. You gotta you gotTa call. Him in the. CD Five. What am I going to say I want bigfoot hunting and they told me just yell as long as I can I WANNA bigfoot ending with a deaf guy by the way bigfoot hunting is like ninety percent audio. So going with a deaf guy is a problem but if you want to tell me how can call it an alien I here for it, but can't be a real story. Real story is in the hills of Georgia confederate flags all over was kind of a sketchy situation one out into the woods they had a big foot caller. We didn't see shit or hear a damn thing and the guys never heard of thing. Anyway, let's get to the. Hanley. There's there's a documentary called close encounters of the fifth kind believe it's it's about this organization who came out during quarantine that goes out and does these like circles where they call in UFO's net video of it and all these. Different things. Anyway long before this happened fifteen years ago I told the story on the nervous podcast with. Comedian friend of mine but I told a story about how his New Jersey with a team mate of mine, Steve Levy and Steve has been asked to after I shared this on the podcast five years ago or so he's been asked to verify my story and thankfully he did but it was him and his brother at their house in Jersey and we saw the crazy thing in the sky. That so that most of the vantage point that we had it was a snowy night. He was orange and moving in the clouds from. from left to right. And the bizarre part that associated there was attached to with that after one out of sight and we were frozen looking at each other wondering what the hell just happened. We about thirty seconds after that, we heard fighter jets. And you know if you've seen fly over, you watch top guide or you've. been an air show. You know what that sounds like the sound of plane zipping by. it's you know undeniable and there were three of them that seemed to be chasing whatever this was. My I'm so jealous. And after that, I really got into researching that because we had this story that we couldn't explain it wasn't in the papers and actually that wasn't the papers after that there was never really talked about and so is this something that I? Definitely got into and with interested more in done some research over the years had some other interesting experiences as well but that was probably the most vivid and. expansive interaction that. Never got. Talked about for explained. There's other interesting experiences. Ladies and gentlemen a man who has I'm so jealous of this won a super bowl I'm so jealous of this man who is. Potentially, the best human to ever play the position he plays the biggest league in the world in a man who has seen Ufo inflator just ladies gentlemen. Thank you man thanks for those exclusive stories won't hear ever have a good one bob. Sorted interrupt. That we spent a lot of time on our beds. K. 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Don't share that people try to interrupt me on the cell phone. Thanks. Pat McAfee, excuse me if I'm on with mad dog that's okay. But. Chris mad dog Russo Garbage Mike. Thanks for joining US I. It is Aaron Rodgers. Tuesday. So I'm happy you and him share a mindset together. Honestly took my say ISO enjoyed watching him play the other night i. mean just to see him smile and look like with the floor. Just, having so much fun I. I love that type I don't really like the choreographed stuff at the place I dislike smiles and it was great to watch. It seems genuine Mike. It really does and that's why when we got to that conversation last. Tuesday which we'll probably dive in a little bit more here in our three of today's show with Aaron Rodgers on Aaron Rodgers, Tuesday being joined by Mike Pereira, legendary ref whenever we start talking about how he started looking inside and being like the best version of themselves like this I might not get stopped this year because. When you're happy I feel like you perform your best Mike that's just how I feel to me when you're happy and healthy. But let's throw in the health issue. But I always said that to officials you must be healthy you have to be might think about the back you don't feel good. You can't perform your optimum level Mike I believe I was healthy before you're a ringer just blew a hole in my. Right, there in the back of your. Bank. They must have no there. They know I'm on your show. So excited. Mike, were excited to. Let's talk about the officiating. So you read off establishes last Thursday night, and by the way they just let you kind of have your little piece there to jump and I was pumped three. I'm like, okay here we go. Mike and you delivered it. Well, it was like you're the host of the show you talked about how less flags are being thrown this year then definitely last year but in a long time in, did I hear the number one, hundred, seventy, some holds to compare to fifty seven this year. Did I get that number wrong denying compared to one hundred, seventy, five, I think it was Holding, which by the way you really leads to more offense. It does because you don't have as many offensive holding penalties. But you know I I liked. The. Officials were. So at a disadvantage coming into the season because they had no preseason, they had no training they had Nola in person clinic and they had eleven brand new officials that haven't worked on this level of these other regular season ever. So to me I was really concerned about how they would react but the direction that the league gave them I thought was very interesting because they said, make your foul calls clear and obvious So. In other words especially bureau new guy to worry about throwing. If you're not really sure you know making clear and obvious, and so obviously they have and then you know I've said it before the game on Thursday night. The only reason I, got some airtime Thursday night football NFL network. The thing is going into this week I thought okay, we're GONNA. Probably. See the numbers tick up and we three Holy Mackerel. Did they kick down? Coach I. Don't know about the basic general fan but to me, I like football that way. I like it with less interruptions I like it with less what I would call. IFFY. Type of foul call. So they have followed the mandate and I think they have performed well, they will always make some mistakes. It's impossible not to they have made some. Administrative Airs that involved replay that could involve replay the correct but I think they'll. They'll get to that. But overall I, think they're doing. I think they're doing a better job than I expected them to do not just a better job than you expect it I think better than we've seen in some years and I think that clear and obvious and agreed call is that I hope this is something that the NFL carries into it because I think the narrative is as soon as you see, a couple of those calls get called and then we can zoom in on like you start to think like this ref wants the game to be about them as opposed to the game itself. Is that a is that a narrative that is misfounded or do you think there are some reps out there that are like, okay. I want people to know that even if it's a ticky tack thing I see I see all out here I, get my I I'm a guy or lady on the field that if I see a little bit of something I want people to know I'm the best there is a little bit of that or do you think just some guys and girls in a moment? They're just like I think it's a call I. I think that you go through stages unofficial and I think it's hard in this league. So fast compared to the college football I. Think what happens is is that when you first get in, you don't see anything because it's speed like you've never seen before and then you get to another level where actually you see everything and you call everything and then you finally get that great level where you see everything but what needs to be called and what does it lead to be called none of them really want to be part of the story I mean the only ones I might say might be one part of the story are the ones that do that Ad Hockey League Buffa. Television on the. Man Look at a guns on that guy, and now everybody has guns after at hockey is emulating hoc easily, and and so you know they they'd Grayson August of attention on themselves. My. You are blowing out eardrums across the because you're saying such incredible things. But that text message you got two of them. By the way they're probably great messages. I would assume there from Fox and let me just say this, you can't see. We can hear them the. The thought I don't know how to stop that but Mike sending me text messages anybody okay. Doesn't matter Mike. There's by the way nobody's watching this so It's not that big regulations by the way I'm this that you have. Now this is terrific new platform for you. You deserve because you're shows are fantastic. Well, Mike I appreciate that means a lot Yeah. We series has been so nice to us. They helped us out with a lot. Online but the serious listeners right now probably like, Hey, listen if that bell hits in my house or my car again, how do you turn it up my sister telling telling me that the tree fell down behind our House Was, unbelievable taking all these. Liquid dampers or whatever. Property here and they hit the further my sister's like five feet away. So she's saying we need to get. The fires, everybody's evacuated from Pires around us. But now all trees we get out of here but anyways, I'm sorry now. For now yeah. Don't be sorry at all. It's just. Of the interference call and buffalo bull she and I thought I assume you thought the same thing that's one of those calls where I don't know if. I don't know if that's just enough to call in that situation because you are determining the game right there and you have to know your determining the game right what if you're determining the game I mean if you get the kicker On the on the last. The last drive of the series and you get call roughing the kicker. So not be called because it's near the last play of the Game I. Think you have interject yourself into plays that do matter and not not call something that you would have called earlier in the game and I like to call and still like the call remembering the. Up Emphasis on the League is blended Memphis's is illegal contact, the defensive pass interference and to me the receiver takes an insight goes inside. The snap. And Liam's engages him beyond five yards doesn't let me. He tries to get back to the outside where the ball gets thrown but he can't because we've still riding them in the balls in the air and it's fastener I I applaud the officials for stepping up and make the call I liked that a hell of a lot better quite frankly than doing what they did in the Rams Saints Game in the championship game where the the Rams didn't get called for defensive pass interference because maybe that official at the end of the game swallowed the whistle and didn't make the call but. It has all the ingredients of defensive pass interference and to me as I said on my tweet, I couldn't wait to go on your show and see what you thought of it cheaters perspective. Doesn't play well with well to be honest to be completely fair I think what you just said there really laid it out in a beautiful fashion I didn't even think about the ref instead of swallowing the whistle at the end and letting the players make the play on the field, which is what do all the time by the way just kind of step off on the players make play I I guess I can respect saying, Hey, it doesn't matter if it's last play. If it's the first quarter, we were going to call this game. The exact same way I just thought that it wasn't as. As you or laying it out as but if you think he was supposed to break outside and he was more than five hundred to me, it looked like it was at that five like point five, maybe five point nine yards range, which is sometimes a little bit of a Haley legally I within five. He wrote beyond. Oli what's my again? No tree remain on the ground is get all my. No. My. To, then these trees didn't do anything. Cut Them. We're not like. Protecting ourselves against buyers here but you know all right look at it. Really. Here's the way I look at these things. If and let's say, I would go back to what I used to do, which is grading games the way that the NFL Grades Games in New York if that had. been called what I have downgraded the official for not calling in the answer to me is yes because it had to be called and he didn't make that call for pass interference. There would be the equal uproar in buffalo saying why wasn't at least coming from the bills football team? They would, why was it this call? This meets the requirement of the point of emphasis and they would have a very strong point. So. While, there seemed to be a lot of things I disagreed with him I didn't make many fans and the New York office this past weekend but it wasn't that one I. think that was the right ball. Do you I don't even want to ask you if you get any message from them. Why do people say I? Don't WanNA. Ask you go ahead man. Because any much answer I. was just GonNa say that I probably should. I was just trying to display the fact that I should have asked you that question choosing not to because, I, don't want you to dive into that conversation because I get messages from people much like I got from you about that pass interference call about things that I say so I very much respect your entire secrecy there but let's let's move fast at the point of emphasis. Thing is a massive part. Of the game because you in the NFL, you have a Wednesday team meeting or maybe Thursday Friday forget what was but entire video will be shown. Hey, this is this week's point of emphasis. So if it's offense of holding like the entire offense knows like okay if this is what the point of emphasis is, the rest are going to be looking to make these calls because the refs then are in good graces with the people who are deciding what the point of emphasis are. Now I don't WanNa say like cops I think there's there's nothing like if you get as many speeding tickets in a week or a month, there's a query you'd have to get to you get a bonus, but it does feel like for those points of emphasis refs if they call a call that is the point of emphasis, it's almost like they're giving a bonus by the NFL and if you said that defensive pass interference was the point of emphasis. I'm surprised we didn't see a bunch of flags and this past weekend for that relatively legal contact really the point of emphasis, and then it turns into it turns into the defensive pass interference when the ball is in the. The way is, is there any way you couldn't move my picture back a little bit because I have a Stye. Not Really. Rag On that day if anybody if anybody has an Egypt unlike warm compresses. Nelson. Hold on hold on we just got. A message from the back there that it knows a a deep medicine what you say Mr Pereira for I. Mr Pereira I, Mike Mike then so cool teabags, steep teabag, and cool. Water, the somebody didn't tell me. Big. Little break I'll come back with teabag. Teabag Mike. Let me go back to your question because it was a really good question. Emphasis are much more important to me. Than rule, Ching I. Mean Rule changes are usually a reaction to apply what's the one of the two rule changes this year it's a reaction to bill belichick. You Know Malcolm the clock outside of five minutes by taking to delay of game penalties in basically giving an extra forty five seconds off the clock when you were behind. So you make a rule change in. New? Haven. For able to have. But in the pile, you make you make a point of emphasis out of legal contactor, defensive passenger foods or illegal helmet contact and the officials are going to react to that you're going to get more fouls in that area. So to me, it has a huge impact now, maybe the impact won't be felt as much this year because of the fact, there was no in-person clinic. was done on zoom. So we haven't certainly seen much of an. Uptake in illegal contact calls but you know to me I'll said man, if you make like last year, remember what was the first or was it? What was the first point of emphasis last year offense voting on the back side. So what happened was boom ninety called in the first week ninety nine old called in the earthly this year in the first week without offensive holding being a point of emphasis how many were called tell one not to want the verses ninety. So it has it has a huge effect by the way after two weeks last year, they had a conference call with the referees and say, Whoa. We're killing the game here. We're taking this too literal. But when you say it's appointed associate has a has a tendency to happen team I like Mike for Wednesday's like there's Aaron Rodgers do heike Wednesday wait a minute I'm playing golf on Wednesday. And move to Wednesday ask. Ask Them for sure Monday's overreaction, Monday, Air Rogers, Tuesday Wednesday is quite a dead find some time maybe the nineteenth hole or something like that. That'd be. Like the tool for me actually play the nineteenth i. Too by the way, makes you better golf. Hamburg. Mike Patio talks about former players watching their specific position as a former hall of fame referee. Do you watch refs announced their calls and make their calls and critique as they do it? Yeah. I do I mean listen. I've become more of a fan of the game but. Still not my life regular fan and it makes no difference honestly football or the NBA or Major League Baseball. Watch. Officiating I mean it's ingrained in me and and I watched the I look at things differently now maybe I look at him like would I have done something differently if I was still in charge and like I, look at replay Mao and you know it's just replaced Chilin me quite frankly and it kills me last year thank God that got rid of this passage. Like train into a buzzsaw non Myanma it wasn't the concept was the execution it wasn't a concept was the execution. No I disagree with that because people always attacked our that was the wrong guy. WHO's been attacking? The contacted the per the people that made the damn rule now. To exit the rules, you don't need to make up your own Al. this isn't the end. This is the NFL. Kick WESSELS. Jonah pretend like you're river on right now day just pretend. To be, blind what would to me? Say Anything, Okay I'm the compensation committee yeah out. Okay. We're GONNA make this reviewable. Now. Here's the deal. I want you to have a different standard for pass interference than the officials have. So even though by the officials, even though his pass interference for them and is the right call or the wrong call, it has to be bigger than that. You have to go back and think about new, Orleans and the Rams and how big that was. So if it's not huge. Then you lay off of it and don't change your caller don't. So now you get this standard al by the ways. Cubans probably smoking a cigar whole. So you get the standard that is different than what the officials have call. So then you see a play and you go okay, yes, it's interference but is it big enough for what the Competition Committee wants me to call? He was due now he's gone but I've never felt dumber that I just felt that matching myself as list everybody on Earth agreed with single call that he disagreed with it didn't make any sense to us now granted. How'd you like to be a coach? Let's. Let's becoming Dungy how about this and Tony Dungy sends an a play and says, it should have been pass interference on New England law and he three wall probably. Probably, get the response you get back from the League is yeah. You're right but it just wasn't big enough to get involved in. Your Tony. Dungy show I'm like so is the execution about Ron? I'm not just because Alberto. Reverend should've had some common sense I mean he's a good guy okay Amigo I love him. Cuba now I love this guy, I'm a big I assume he and I would have some cafe on Lecce's together. We buy some some bounds together I believe we probably smoked some scars. We'd have great hat together. Okay. I would probably love Albert River on outside of the review but last. Year, I, feel like he absolutely butchered a great opportunity to make the game because pass interference calls are thirty forty yard penalties that completely changed the game. Still you here's the deal. If you've made the rule to say if you're in New York and reviewing it's either pass interference or it's not an forget about this different degree that you have to have it would afford it would've were but they didn't do that they didn't want him to get a Hoodoo I hate Roger. Now, I think you got to look at the Competition Committee Right I. I hate them you know yeah. You ought to go out to those guys all eight, a member nine of them are. Comeback Alberta River on did not deserve everything that I gave him. He didn't. See what you? See what you said about your lucky the Cuban mafia didn't. Talk about we got the Cuban mafia in the office read. Mike. What's the distinction for? Between like letting a free play, go what a quarterback back off sides Rogers does that a lot and it seems like half the time they give him the free play and then half the time they blow it dead. It's just a matter of and certainly Rogers is so good at it, but it's a it's a matter of a when the defense junks make contact. If it does then it shuts down, it's a matter of be two. They jump across to the to the level where they get even with the nearest offensive linemen and so if they get on that even playing. So therefore, basically have a free shot at the quarterback Ben, it gets shut down and its offside for that too. And then of course, if they jump in and an offensive lineman moves before the before the ball is snapped, then it becomes a neutral zone infraction but I I don't get the free play I mean the free plays, not always a free play because it's a free play, you don't Fallas the offense but if you commit like the personal foul on the offense on the play or somebody jumped into the neutral zone been it becomes and I don't WanNa test pats ruled knowledge here. Five fifteen to five fifteen defence off side is a minor five. The offense major is a is a major fifteen. So the vibe goes away in the fifteen gets penalized. So it's not always even out and good teams. I really thought that was an offsetting operation right? There was. Always. The way. You can't have on a change of possession. So if it's a change of possession play, then they offset it's why this rule rulebook is just so easy to learn on the. Cuban seat here by the way we disown Al Reverend by the way. For the Ellen Robinson touchdown, they got turned wide that happened. You're built like our. Name. Go ahead what were your? Ellen Robinson what happened with that touchdown I have no bitch. I think I think our on the terrible. That says. Because To me to me, he goes up in the air and he possesses the ball in the air comes down to the ground. The defense then comes away with the ball and to me now, and it was ruled on the field as a touchdown AL that there was clear video evidence that he didn't have control of the ball. Robinson didn't on the way down to the ground maybe. But I don't think it was clear and obvious, and if you were to go back and compare it and the Buffalo game to the Cross play where the ruling on the field was an interception by the rams there was open to pass interference but Croft got the ball clearly first and then went to the ground and to me it was fairly a catch and then they stayed with that one as an interception. So. Listen. He has his own reasons he and Russell your his guy. They felt there that maybe the officials saw something to think consultancy. But I get the fact that the in both those situations I didn't really agree with the decisions. I know what they're thinking and I always try to call them when I don't agree to see why but. They're thinking really didn't didn't jive with what I think what my? Hey good for you. My south disagreed with Park River on those really nice to hear a little a little shred of truth. Take that cigar shop us. Mike and he likes good Jabber. Tabernacle. I like him. It's actually. Good, Jabarin actually. Bought wants which impressed. Guy He's the handsome. Expensive to the NFL. Ladies and gentlemen rules expert for Fox NFL LEGEND IN OG Body Shame Ladies, and Gentlemen Mike. Thank you. Mike. We appreciate you Bob. To join us to talk about the MLB success story from covert traveling stadium outbreak because of a potential situation happening at a grocery store, two games being postponed now to relatively quiet news cycle. Now we're in the playoffs they start today by the way just a heads up. Oh, joining us now all our favorite baseball insider, the man himself ladies, and Gentlemen Jet Passenger. Jet. Patches. McAfee. By the way I like the Dodge Duck dip dive and dodge there. That's what you gotta do. Sometimes by the way you gotTa Dodge Duck Dip dive and dodge away through this incredible life. Jet Was there any thought at the beginning of this baseball season that we would get to this point which is by the way playoffs start today was there any thought early especially when the Marlins have that outbreak and then I think the cardinals ads and the Yankees did this did you or anybody in the baseball world have any thoughts that we could get to today jet? I think there were some who were optimistic about it and it's really interesting actually that we see this titans outbreak right now on the day that baseball starting it's postseason because you brought it up with the Marlins in the cardinals baseball's actually been through this before and. Baseball was doing this differently than the NBA in the NHL which were inside of their bubbles. I was talking with an official at the League yesterday and he's like the most fascinating part of this whole thing to me the part that I did not expect was that we were going to be able to have players go home to their families and we didn't have any outbreaks beyond the cardinals and the Marlins and the NFL. The NFL has seen how to deal with one of these Major League Baseball set the standard they put it in place the protocol is there for the NFL to get through this and it's interesting to see football fans reacting like Oh, my God is this going to shut down the season what does this do to football right now baseball showed you plow through it it it's not necessarily right thing to do is not necessarily the best thing to do. It's just what these leagues are going to do and I think the NFL with the titans is GonNa do the exact same thing how about the biggest difference obviously is that baseball could doubleheaders if they had through the basketball could do seven innings. The baseball could cancel some of the Games that they had to not be able to make up for the NFL. You're not going to do that. So let's let's pipe down baseball. Hold on hold on it's. Bad on an I'll be though I would the NFL not be down for cancelling or postponing one game in going on winning percentage I know it's only sixteen I understand it smaller sample size in a bigger deal. But you're telling me that they're not going to do everything they can to get through this season. You're telling me that they are going to brute force these games. No. If you got to cancel a game, PAT, you cancel a game deal with it not like it's not. It's not like you have fans in the stands in you're losing out on all that revenue. If it's one game out of you know five hundred in the inventory I don't think CBS or Fox or any. Of these television networks that are broadcasting these games are going to ask for millions of dollars back just because they lost one game very valid jet very, very valid. But in the state of parody in competition, the titans and steelers is rather paramount game in the AFC it would cost quite a conversation, but you're a hundred percent right I think what? The MLB did show in a trail-blazing fashion is that you don't have to be in a bubble incomplete of season now granted to vastly different things who knows how the titans outbreak happened nobody knows how would happen I assume that story will roll out. We have you heard how the Marlins, how that particular outbreak or is that story still been locked up. I've heard lots of. I don't know what's true. Exactly. I'm not going to sit here and. Speculate. Professional journalists do that if you Patrick to. Do well within your rights but I will i. will say this. I will say this. The fact that the Marlins, the cardinals and the Buffalo Bluejays. Three teams that had the most adversity of any in baseball. This year are in the. Play offs among those six teams is a testament to me to how resilient teams can be amid all this. The you know you can have a covert outbreak and still be a playoff team. You can spend your summer, a buffalo which I have done by the way in which I enjoy nineteen-year-old spent many a night crossing the border having a couple of sips. And I would love to say, Ooh, bring back but uber did not exist so we're talk about that but the Mushroom Lauber What's that going to mushroom Bart wild mushroom believes those called. Don't think I did I may have an. I. Just don't remember. That is very, very possible. There's a picture of a sixteen year old Batman V in there. Because we used to frequent Niagara Falls as from Pittsburgh, it was a four hour drive. I think the sure that the places still open and there's a picture of a sixteen year old PAT McAfee and they're having the time of his life I loved Niagara Falls up there hold on sixteen. How did you like? Were you just an adult child or did you have a really good fake cuts in my brother's face real quick this guy is four years older than me there that's. Our faces look exactly the pretty damn near. Point. Yeah. So I was Jason McAfee for a long long time in Canada and in America it was awesome. But Anyway, I was I was I was Jonathan Cromwell backing. Cromwell, you're watching the bad magazine show right now. Thanks. Let's talk about the playoffs because it starting today I believe the cardinals in the WHO's the other team and the Tigers were the only team that didn't play every game that they were scheduled play or get them in the was that come up in any adversely talk that they weren't able because I remember the sky was falling when some players some teams to be able to play sixty turns out only two teams were unable to did they make it in? What's a big matchup? Who's the favorite right now I know nothing about what's going on in the baseball world attentive. I'm not embarrassed to admit it I know nothing what's going on baseball right now? Hey, pat. That's why I'm here. That's why that's why earlier today someone tweeted at me. Hey where are you going to be on the package? And I said I sent you that tweet. When am I going to be on the Pamuk show and you facetime me and I felt really good it looks like you're in a coffee shop you were in your office to pretty good space right now a lot of millions of dollars to buy that space I'm down with it back fever dot this as. I'm GonNa Triangle. I'm going to try and overall big you talked about. Cardinals in Tigers. Did Not, need a tiebreaker because as mlb determined you needed to go only if. Somebody couldn't make the playoffs because the cardinals didn't make those instead it was just about seeding, and so they didn't play those makeup games against the Tigers which were scheduled for Monday. Favorite in Major League Baseball. Right. Now Guy be the Los Angeles dodgers forty-three in seventeen. During the regular season, they are stacked in their line-up they're stacked in their bullpen they're stacked in their rotation. They're the team to beat to do it for the first time since one, thousand, nine, hundred, eight, when Kirk. Gibson. Limped around the bases after homering off Dennis Eckersley best series I like the braves versus the reds the braves offense is Nasty Freddy Freeman Marcello Zona. Danny Swanson Travis. d'arno Ronald Kunia. John can go on and on. and. Then with the reds you've got Trevor Bauer Lewis Casio, and sunny gray maybe the best one to three starting punching remember pat these wildcard series that we have eight of them over the next four days or three game series. Aw, every pitch counts every pitch does the say what I think you said counts right cat cats. Towns Okay I'm going to skip that one American league. Yankees if I'm. If I'm Yankees Fan I'm a little worried right now. We've got Gary, Cole- against Shane Bieber, quite a seven o'clock eastern espn. Bieber has been the Garrett Cole of the Two Thousand Twenty Season Best Pitcher in baseball this year going to win the American League cy young and if they go down one nothing. The most interesting number about the Yankees this year. against. Teams that are five hundred or better the New York Yankees are ten in seventeen feet up on the red. SOx. Seat on the Orioles and they were mediocre against everyone else. Oh, my God that's a heartbreaker. For Thai I did not know that the Yankees Stink. Kinda wish. I kind of wish we've been following along with that story line. We talk about your reg Trevor Bauer. What's this bubble talk that he's not happy about? Trevor Bauer power hour put out a tweet last night or two nights ago I'm not sure that basically said, the bubble is a bunch of lies you got random people walking around the hotel are they in a bubble for this particular time or is he talking about a bubble in the future potentially? Trevor is Trevor's always aggrieved part of his charm you know triggers not angry at something he no, I'm serious trevor not like angry at something he's not motivated and if he's not motivated, then he can't go out and do what he's done which is when the National League cy young mature. In our an an an angry Trevor Bauer is fine with me. He's going to complain about things I tell them all the time. He complains too much. He likes complaining. Like we gotTa Complain Sometimes, there you go. Well, listen week if the emily's can't stay with players at our hotel, it's supposed to be a bubbly. Oh bubble yet random members of the community can say they're the bubble theoretically is supposed to start not in this round during a wildcard pat but it's going to be starting when the reds go to. If they win go down to Texas and I believe they would go to Houston and that's where the bubble is supposed to start Jut we can't thank you enough joining who you come back and join US throughout this playoff run because there is next to. No. CHANCE WE'RE GONNA WATCH WANNA talk about Hodge. Chance we're going to talk about it with you. I think that's a great idea and I'm holding you to that five away. You Know Mondays can't. Step through their take yourself. Have the on Mondays Tuesdays Wednesdays. Good days for Jeff. Passan though to hold on. Can I can I be the lead into robbers at some point? You. kind of are right now go for another forty six minutes. I feel like we have to have a crossover like I. Let's put it this way if you put me on with Rogers. I will grow a terrible mustache. Okay we'll do that. All right. Let's. Make It. Happen next week. Seventeen I mean you're going to have despicable mustache I could just tell by your face. It's awful. Ain't gonNA. Look like I'm GonNa look like I drive a white van and belong in prison. Here well, the good thing about that is we're coming up in a time and baseball where you won't be need to be seen by a lot of. Yeah. So that mustache won't potentially hinder your childish baby. Good looks you know what? I have the worst facial hair America. This is going to be terrible laser jet pass. Jack. Can't thank you enough for tuning in. We'll be back magnon what about hair and He really is. I mean I got a lot of heat from bills mafia for saying Aaron Rodgers is better than Josh Allen I want to let you know. Josh. Allens pointing really good football really good football good for him has taken a massive step. Each year as young quarterback fund is way up there for bills Mafia in by the way as the season continues both Aaron and Josh after playing some wild circumstances with the weather and all that stuff Josh Allen becomes half what. 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REShow: Peter King. Hour 1 (01-21-19)

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REShow: Peter King. Hour 1 (01-21-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. All right hour, number one of the rich Eisen show is on the air. We are through with championship Sunday. Welcome to our program live from the AT and T studios here in Los Angeles, California, home of the NFC champion loss Angeles. Rams a loss Angeles team is in the Super Bowl. I will tell you this, folks. Nobody saw this one common. Absolutely. Nobody saw this one common when Jeff Fisher got bounced towards the end of the season two years ago. Nobody saw it coming and they have congealed as a team they got the right coach the quarterback plugged into that coach is all grown up now Todd Gurley. They didn't even use him in the NFC championship game. Essentially he did score. Touchdown did have a couple of meaningful plays, but the Los Angeles Rams comeback from thirteen ole hole in New Orleans to win that football game. And I understand what every single saints fan and many other football fans did not have any skin in that game or saying right now. Blown call. One hundred thousand percent blown football call what blown penalty. Call one of the worst blown calls. I've ever seen if not the worst I've seen. We've we've all seen ton. But Nicole Roby Coleman absolutely blew up. Tommy Lewis on the sidelines way before way way before the ball arrived absolutely prevented him having an opportunity to catch the football. It is textbook pass interference running into a player before the ball arrives. Just as it is as a riding not even looking at the ball, not playing the ball playing the man. And in fact, collided with him with the side of his helmet into the receivers helmet. You could say this is at trifecta blown calls, quite frankly, you could say it's a miscast interference a misnomer to helmet, and they miss hitting a defenseless receiver. And all of it. Not call. And that would have put the New Orleans Saints, right? They're setting up. Shop Rams having just a couple of timeouts remaining in their pocket. Just one time out remaining in their pocket. They could've taken that thing. All the way down to just mere seconds to go kick the field goal, gone home and went to Atlanta, which in retrospect would have been just half of the falcons fans nightmare seeing the hated saints coming into their house using their locker room. To try and win their second Super Bowl against the team that they maybe hate the absolute most. Tom Brady still alive people. Everybody started treating Tom Brady towards the end of the regular season. Like, he was able to go to let's put let's put a mirror of if he can fog it up where dead, you're not dead, Tom. You're not dead. Jaguars beat him flying. Speed him titans. Beat him that happened. Right. Twenty four point Steelers beat him and that was supposed to put the Steelers right on great footing to win the AFC out of nowhere. Right. Then all of a sudden the playoffs started the most complete team in the NFL that we've been talking about for weeks chargers deleted deleted within about ten minutes. And I'm not talking about time on the clock like essentially in in in actual real like lifetime. It took about ten fifteen minutes to delete the chargers. Felt like. Then comes yesterday. Then comes yesterday in the AFC championship game Tom Brady and the patriots put together a game plan to confuse and confound. The chiefs offense and defense was actually keeping them in the game. Team that started off with the longest touchdown drive in the playoff career of Tom Brady against the chargers. Went ahead and topped it to start this one. When a head and top that one longest one to start the longest one to start the the game in the playoffs for Tom Brady that happened yesterday. It's the couple minutes longer. Took the air completely out of the building. Chiefs defense kept him in the game. An interception of Brady in the end zone right there on the doorstep turn things around. Of course, though, they couldn't score in the first half. And then just like their first time in the in in in the regular season chief start putting it together. Mahomes puts it together. But Brady kept scorn. And he is a machine that you cannot beat by making mistakes of your own. You can't beat him. You have to play a clean sheet. I don't care if your home or your away, you have to play a clean sheet. You have to do with the eagles did put pressure on on them up the middle. Get him off the spot. Then when you have opportunities to score don't score field goals scored touchdowns. Even if it takes the Phillies special to do it and make sure you got the ball last. Okay. Let's not forget last year's Nick foles. Magic carpet ride ball was in the air at some point for hail Mary opportunity to win it. And there was gronk and back in the end zone. Everybody seems to forget that. That's true. You got to leave zero time left for Tom zero. And when the chiefs scored to go up at the end of the champion game with two plus minutes. They scored two early and then even Brady scored patriots too early. Yeah. Everybody screwed too early forty seconds and kudos to Mahomes to get in that getting that getting that field goal to tie at the very end. But they shouldn't have meet it. Look, and I'll say this later on at some point when the whole kerfuffle with the saints not getting the call dies down. We will all focus at some point on the other things that went down to the game. That caused the saints to be in a position where non call screws him over and everything that happened after it as well. We'll hit that a little bit. But I we do need to allow the saints the proper attention for them to stew in their own. Anger, like a very unfortunate piece of football Gumbo. Because that was outrageous, and we need to address it. And the chiefs did have many other opportunities to score and many other opportunities to keep brave from scoring and many other opportunities for them to succeed. But how the hell does d Ford lineup in the neutral zone. How the hell does he not know that half his body is lined up offsides on third and ten. Tom Brady ball goes off of gronk hands interception game. Essentially over New England had three timeouts left were Suming. Let's just say Andy Reid would have run it three times to burn the time outs. That's just as soon the most potentially previous to this year. Andy Reid thing would happen Brady would have gotten the ball back with no timeouts left deepen his own end with about thirty seconds to go game wasn't Tara completely over. But it would have been a much better spot than the chiefs hoping the coin foot would go their way to start overtime or that the defense would try and stop Tom Brady. And the rest of that offense and Sony Michelle and Rex Burkhead, let's not forget the patriots are beating you with a goat half gronk Julian Handelman at the top of his game, a rookie bills cast off it HOGAN and Bengals cast off in rexburg. Let's not forget all those guys combined to win the AFC championship game, essentially. Okay. But how the hell does Ford not under? You gotta just play perfectly here. You cannot make the mistakes like that. And by the way, we were all holding our collective breath. That devoid was actually offsides after we took a look at that replay right away that everything was going. And he definitely was. I mean, he was practically in the huddle with New England. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing bonehead play at the worst embrace throwing it in the other Cini, heat even get to Tom had no bearing on the play. None whatsoever. So those are the things that happen. Those are the things that happen. And now we're left with a couple of things before we turn the page Super Bowl fifty three. And we'll discuss it with Peter King who is in the building in Kansas City yesterday. And will definitely discuss it with Mike Pereira was in the building in New Orleans yesterday. Two things one everything should be review -able in the National Football League. When I say everything, I mean, everything everything. What do I mean by everything? Well, everything and anything passionate Fearance. That's challengeable holding challengeable the facemask that was administered by the saints defense to Jared Goff as he was trying to score eventually as we all know the saints kept the Rams out of the end zone, and Sean McVeigh for some reason did not go for it on four inches. And instead settled for a field goal in a manner that I don't believe I've ever seen Sean McVay do as I tweeted out of the time, that's like a coffee freak suddenly ordering decaf. What was that about pretty shocking? But if that facemask was indeed called it would have been first and goal from the one yard line. I property say three roles of the CJ Anderson bowling ball would have gotten him into the end zone or nervously as that C J Anderson girly another thing that will be discussing over the next week. Plus. I mean, there's a ton of things that we're gonna be talking about and massaging over. But for the moment, we still need to as I said, Stu in the outrage Gumbo and New Orleans everything should be reviewing all of it. And you'll well rich when are you going to do I mean the game of nineteen hours? No, you won't know just give coaches, maybe one more challenge since everything's reviewable one more. That's it. And if you get the first three right you get a fourth and then everything's challengeable in the last two minutes that way the booth buzzes down and says to the refs in New Orleans. Hey, take off your bird box. Blindfolds and call what we just saw. You. Gotta be kidding me. We have the technology to get it. Right. Let's get it. Right. And it doesn't extend the game. And replays there to be a safety net. And I know ever oh my gosh. It's just too much like what one is a play actually gonna count. Do. We know it's going to count. How many, you know, we think it counts, but then a booth buzz down, we don't know it's coming. So what when you round happen than sitting here saying the saints should be in the Super Bowl? Right. A man you take a look at what happened in New England to HOGAN calls. Were upheld by replay appropriately. And then a botched muffed punt that was called on in real time. 'cause it sure looked like it hit him in the hands. After further review. You could look at it from one angle where you thought it might hit the right hand. But then you look at the other angle and you saw it didn't hit the right hand used advice. Versa to make sure it didn't hit the left or the right replay got that. Right. Believably? The ball did not hit him in the bicep on most of went by but Elon was right. Didn't touch him. So replay was used appropriately year because there's are allowed to be challenged. But we're not supposed to use it. In New Orleans on a pass interference call. The Canadians will say it works well up here because that's what you can do in the CF L all of challengeable. And then the other one is changed the overtime rules to where somebody scores a touchdown. The other guy should be able to score touchdown at this point. There's no outcry or hue and outcry about it that matches. What we're talking about New Orleans because that is obviously the most shiny object. It's much easier to see how it affected the result. But just wait until Patrick Mahomes. Collects the MVP trophy the night before the Super Bowl. And then we'll talk about how the MVP of the league didn't even touch the ball in the playoffs in the overtime. And yes to different axioms play out in the rest ref true true, also defense, stop stop in your own building three third and ten all true. All true one of the third Ted's. However. What became a third and five because of deformed 's on believable lining up in the neutral zone on that third and ten that allowed a tip ball pick to not take place. Unreal. I'm telling you the overtime rule is going to be a series conversation. The owners meet in March. And I'm wondering if Sean Payton who as we all know competition committee, Sean Payton, it's going to go in that building and say, hey, everybody, the New Orleans Saints propose everything's viewable. Now. What do you think? Eight four four two four richer calls. Peter king. Mike pereira. Do we have an overreaction Monday. We have a few item. Okay. Maybe I just overreacted knowing that you put out there. Okay. We'll hit it again, by the way the association. Welcome back. Boogie cousins looks like you'd never you never left in Golden State. They're here in Los Angeles tonight. Take on a Lakers team that now does not Lonzo ball for a month and a half. Almost beat. The rockets. James harden is unbelievable. He does get every call doesn't. He seems okay. Seems slots to have a conversation about on this three hour program that by the way, Matthew mcconaughey is on on Tuesday's show. I know his name was in our show opens on Tuesdays program today. It's Mike Pereira Peter King and all about you as well at four to four rich, by the way. Congratulations to the Los Angeles Rams season ticket holders over there. Your team is now in the NFC champions. Thank you very much. And and congratulations to you. You're you're you're born on team back again. That's nine Super Bowls, by the way for Tom Brady nine. We do the math for you here. Seventeen percent of all SuperBowl star by Tom Brady that good. Is that good? Yeah. America's good for them. Eight four four two four phone line's lit. Obviously, lots to talk about Peter King here on the program next. He was in Kansas City. He had an incredible scoop in his football morning in America count. Can't wait to bring it to you. When he calls in next in sports trade can make or break your team, a good one can mean a championship. But a bad one can set your franchise back for years, and it is no different. When it comes to selling your trading in your car, you need to make good choices in with truecar. You've got a star on your roster. Just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number and watch. How your car's details? Pop up then answer few questions got a sports package or moon roof watches, they bump up your car's value in real time. High mileage, well, you already knew that was gonna cost you. 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Great job by the rich Eisen show. Los Angeles broadcast center crew to put together Zach Streep and deuce McAllister on the rain saints call. And then obviously Joe buck and Troy Aikman on the FOX call with Sean Payton commenting on the hugest non call. I've ever seen in the NFL. I can't recall another one and a tremendous job as always by Peter King in his in his column must read Monday column. Football morning in America from NBC sports back here on the rich Eisen show Frawley where he was in Kansas City, which will discuss into second Peter King. How are you? Peter. Everything's okay. Rich. I'm doing fine. We've got now. What about it seems close to twenty four hours after that huge non call? Where do you think stand? Do you think on this front with the league and the officiating as we head into Super Bowl fifty three Peter I think reach I think everything everything is on the table. I think you know. Everything from Al river runs job to the job of the officials site judge in the down. Judge most notably. I was told yesterday that this is a site judge call most lately, but also could have been flaked by either the down judge or the back judge the back judge in that particular taste is likely to be in center field. So he's likely not to be on that, you know, basically, that's likely not to be as job. But it could be depending on where the play takes them. What I think, and then I think as far as replay goes, yes, you know, Bill Belichick is set for years. I don't mean that I have a scintilla of influence on anything. But I've written it for years. If you do not increase the number of challenges you have in a game. And you shouldn't if you do not increase the number of challenges you have in the game. You ought to be able to challenge any call on the field at any time. You ought to be able to challenge outside the ought to be able to challenge your false start. You know, replays about getting a game. Right. And for everybody who says, oh my God, the games, it'd be five hours. No, they wouldn't you wouldn't. You wouldn't be able if you used all your challenges and with four minutes to go in the fourth quarter that play happened in. You didn't have one left with tough, tough bananas. So most coaches, I think what would end up most coaches in my opinion would end up saving challenge for the end. So, you know, there's all kinds of things rich, but I get the sense from the league last night that that quite literally everything is on the table right now for for the review of not only pass interference. But. The officiating department in general, I think time of game Peter is usually a hand ringer for just league management. You know, I I don't think an NFL fan right now as saying, you know. Boy boy that and it's champion game as crisply played game either rich, and that's why I don't think it's a big deal. I think it same thing in baseball to like, it seems like right now baseball's going to institute a pitch clock rather than a change in the shift rule, and I don't think a single baseball fans. Like, you know, what these games are too long? Pier. So the question is is I think so in baseball, though, rich I really do. I think that the four hour and fifteen minute nine inning games are ridiculous. And every time the Red Sox the Yankees play. But people don't care, but I don't know especially the World Series games. Not that we're talking about this, but especially World Series games, when you know when they're going on so twelve twenty at night on the east coast. But anyway on the one took us down that rabbit hole. But I, but my my point is though is that to me, I think when you are having to talk about the importance of the game, and whether it was either officiated properly or played in a manner. That's more entertaining time time of games shouldn't matter. So what is holding it back is it just the sense of of of trying to keep a human element in in in officiating? Peter rick. I think look when things like this happen. When things like this play happen. Those are the questions that everybody's asking. But the thing is the competition committee is not going to even put anything about this on the table until they go to the scouting combine really the competition committee and the and the league begin discussing rule of like this when they all meet in Indianapolis at the scouting company Roger Goodell's their Troy, Vincent all the -ficiating. People are there in the competition committee members meet at the scouting combine. And they start the process of this of what they're gonna do for the new year until they do that. I don't know what they're going to do. And I think there's been zero momentum to get every play review, you know, the Belichick proposal zero. And so now we have to find out if potentially. Potentially. It was not a lock. But it's it was going to have a very good chance. If pretentiously when the wrong team goes to the Super Bowl now on the sudden, somebody's ox has been Gordon. It really really means something Peter King here on the rich Eisen show. However, I'm sure LA fans listening to us right now or Rams people or you know, others who really didn't have much skin in the game might be thinking Peter the the right team did go with the one that came back from thirteen points down the one that has Aaron Donald and then sue playing their heads off in the middle of the defense. Mike. What did you take out of that Rams victory going into Super Bowl fifty three that gives you an idea that they perhaps could win this thing? I mean, the Rams are great team. You know, first of all I think that Jared Goff really really prove something yesterday, you know, rich a month ago when he had his eminently forgettable performance against the against the eagles at home. And and as you know, as as he saw after that game, Sean, Sean Payton, Sean McVeigh was just absolutely. He looked quite distressed about everything on his offense, including the guy who quarterbacks that. But Jared Goff made three beautiful passes yesterday dropping dimes into a bucket like thirty three thirty art throws. There were absolutely right on the money. And and I think that is the first thing that gives you chance that thinks. You have a chance that in that environment. When you're not gonna hear anything hold day to be able to play. Well as a quarterback when your communication is not working and all that stuff. I thought it was really an impressive comeback for golf and rich. I think one of the big early questions I would have in this matchup. Wade Phillips is going to have to figure out how to get the Tom Brady. Okay. Tom Brady yesterday. Three in my column today, you know hound Brady threw release the ball yesterday in an average time of two point two three seconds. He was not sect for the second consecutive game. Now is that like ninety pass drops? This postseason has not been set was only pressured six times yesterday. And so you look at all that. And you basically say this guy this guy is in in that line is almost impregnable right now. What is Wade? Phillips gonna have up his sleeve payable to pressure. Bringing Tom Brady is unbelievable. Peter King here on the rich Eisen show. And you got a chance to spend some time with him after the AFC championship game just one on one sitting in his locker. How did you find him? Peter. Rich. You know, it was amazing. It was almost it was almost the island in the midst of a. Cumulus of you know, championship game locker room mayhem store. And he was he was really really placid. I think he was almost what I would call. He was he was a little bit. I mean this weird way to look at it. But he was almost days by the events because he said to me at nine nine Super Bowl. Crazy. It's ridiculous. It's unbelievable. I I can't even fathom this. I mean, here's the guys playing football in the NFL. He's been starting football games for eighteen years, and he's been to the Super Bowl nine times rich. I don't I don't I don't care how incredibly wonderful great everything Patrick Mahomes is and how to me he Remo. There's only one today every minds me of Mahomes now, and you know, entering the league like this. It's Dan Marino. You know, when the time I've been covering the NFL I and I don't care how good a quarterback your to go to the Super Bowl nine times eighteen years. I'm telling you Tom Brady was with days just trying to think of all of it. And he's just he's taking appreciative. You know, what he told me that really struck home? And I went back and looked it up. When I went back up to the press box after spending time with them. He said, you know, the big thing here is continuity, and you know, he was telling meeting during even years been there for every year of the Bella tick era mcdaniels Dante scar karnicki there for almost every year. And so, you know, why that matters rich because yesterday at eleven o'clock in the morning. The patriots ofensive players reported for their their their last meeting before the game and Josh mcdaniels stood in front of. A room put in eight new place in that day's game plan and they ran for five during the game. So this is the in in you only do that when you're comfortable with the team that you have. And you know, our player can digest these things and the one other thing I would tell you today room today. Amazingly the rob gronkowski pass the last third and ten conversion for Brady on the overtime drive before Rex Burkhead took it the final fifteen years last completion that play was not even in their game plant began is just invented it'd been used before. But he just he threw it in there because he's on covering it with Eric bearings. And he said, oh my God. We can take advantage of this. That is what is so great about Bila. Check staying power and continuity, you know, and Peter this is the stuff that we're going to be chewing on yet. Again. I mean, this is the third straight Super Bowl that New England is made. And you mentioned how it's now nine times out of eighteen it's the chicken or the egg conversation of who means more Brady or Bella check to the to the dynasty. And maybe it's just a fifty fifty split here because I don't know of another team. And every team knows it's a matchup league. Everybody does. I mean, Sean McVeigh's been brilliant in its first two years to show how it's all about matchups and scheming and making sure that you get the right situation at the right time. You know, that that it seems though that New England is the best at boiling down matchups year to year week to week snap to snap and Brady's the one executes like a cyborg, and and you know, Romo was calling it out. Right. Pre snap every single time yesterday. And they just they. They nail you almost every time. And you can point you could take a look at the times where they don't where it's reversed like the Miami miracle where gronk was somehow for some reason on the one yard line trying to make a tackle. It's so rare when the script get slipped like that on them, Peter. It's unbelievable that I look I rich I was all over the patriots this year in the wake of. You know of creating Brandin cooks and. With a you know with with with another deep weapon. I thought the patriots receiving core was just it was not nearly good enough. And it was going to really bite him at some point. And you know, what for good portion of the season it did. But the patriots benefit from a couple of things the AFC stinks to high have and the patriots can take advantage of that by getting so many wins. They don't have a Kansas City Chiefs Fanduls chargers, and epi and and and till the last couple years Denver Broncos in their division. So I mean, you know, there's nobody there's no there's I mean, so. The patriots get a chance to to to to mold their clay on their team all season and then be in place late in the season, you know, to be able to get their guys to play well enough together. So that the fact that you go and have a big star in your receiving core doesn't end up fatally wounding you ask the poll question of Peter's, we go out the door introduce it for the first time in our show today. Chris Brockman, go forward. Peter whose legacy changed the most on Sunday drew Brees, Sean Payton, Andy Reid. Sean McVeigh Tony Romo. Romo. Well, I guess I I mean, I'm I really wanna hear almost call it his game. Because everybody said it's so historic it's ridiculously good. And I've had a bunch of people say why didn't you praise Romo in your column today? I'm I'm made a football game. I'm not watching on TV. I how how would we know what romo's said yesterday. But anyway, I will ricin to it at one point this week. And I'm sure he was wonderful. But I guess, you know, if you give me those choices I would say McVeigh because there was general feeling around the NFL, and I've heard this for especially from few coaches Perry has the genius doing house. You know, all this. Hey, boy wonder house he doing great playoff game e head against the falcons last year. So I guess if given those choices I would say McVeigh because Hayes in super he's in the Super Bowl twelve years after he was. A wide receiver at Miami of Ohio against Julian happen, very often at NFL against Julian Edelman, by the way in two thousand seven they on the same field. Same day. Unbelievable. How things work. October six two thousand seven of Ohio against Kent state. Of course. Correct. Yep. Ataman? Yeah. Yeah. If I write that is the lead to my columnist. We can I feel it without giving you any credit whoever heater their statistics in a book. I just I heard about it. I instigated out. And I tweeted out it's really amazing go for take it go. We all have two weeks. Good. I sect the games. The rip always Peter. Thanks for the call. You take care. You that's Peter King. Its nobody better. That's why he's pro football fame at Peter underscore, king checkout football morning in America piece. Right there. I'll tell you, man. It's really remarkable how the patriots always find your weak link. And you can find there's they're not perfect. You can find there's but they just know how to exploit it more consistently than anybody else. It's like, maybe the greatest. Football chess player in Bella check. In the greatest real time execute her of a game plan in Brady. I thought Peter nail the to Josh mcdaniels had a great game on Sunday. Call an outstanding game. And then again what what will happen with the officiating. Mike Pereira will join us in our number three because he knows all about competition committee. He held the job before dean after before dean blandino willed it before our river on and he knows the politics of everything, and he knows exactly what might actually be discussing. And the headline in the times picky. You today in New Orleans says it all refereeing unbelievable with a photograph of Roby Coleman arriving well before the football in the football is truly it looks like five feet away from receiver who's already being contacted. It's a terrible look for the NFL. There's no way two ways about it. Your phone calls at eight four four zero four rich. We will get to that. When we return if you gear up for the biggest game in the NFL season. Podcast. 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We read into things a little too much on the patriots radio network. Man, America's worst nightmare. He's not wrong. They're not a they're not going anywhere. It's truly unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah. Thought who thought right that the patriots be back in the Super Bowl? Not me. That's for sure. Do I need to clear my voice. Oh, oh, you pick the. Oh, that's right. Yeah. You picked it right or day. I mean, I picked them before the season two. It's Martin Luther King day. You picked it. Right. Got it. Thank you. I understand. All right. Let's take some phone calls here. Let's go to James in North Carolina. You're here on the program. What's up James? James you there? Hello, James, three two and one James is listening to us on delay. Put James back on hold. You. Gotta take us off your radio, folks. Okay. Let's go into Dustin in Wisconsin. What's up Dustin? Hey, what's up rich? It's going on brother now much. I e four point two my daughter's had year Sailly. Okay. Go for it. What's? Little okay. All good. I'm I was gonna say for the for the challenge rule. I think could we do to preach offense on defense. You get to challenges. Again, you use on whenever you want them. They can back and watch the entirety of the play. And they can they can call something. Maybe they didn't see it doesn't matter. What the call was on the field. They can just kind of rewatch the play like we do at home, and then maybe get things. Right. And you know, we don't have this controversy. No. I know and thanks for the call Dustin and say hi to Haley that was hey back to your daughter. I just wanna make sure we get these things right in the last thing, I want is that you use to challenges you still have to in your back pocket, but you're not allowed to use them. Because it's on the wrong side of the ball. We're doing this to get this stuff. Right. Peter King said you don't have to expand the number of challenges to me, you know, I I would give it one more three. And if you get it, right? You get a fourth as opposed to to right? You get a third. So what the game last two three more minutes. Who cares? Everybody tells me college football's the greatest things in sliced bread. And I hear it all the time from fans don't like the NFL for whatever reason political reason, or whatever reason you don't like the NFL. I all time college football so much, but college football takes forever forever. Those games last four hours in those games. The classic ones. Oh, gosh. And those are the ones with the overtime games where you don't even have special teams involved. So it's not about time. Again, get it. Right. Get it. Right. Gimme yesterday over any college football day ever yesterday was phenomenal phenomenal. But we're sitting here talking about a blown call and I'm trying to give it its proper do. Because soon we're going to turn the page and we've got Super Bowl fifty three had to get to teams left, and they're no slouches, by the way, the best tweet is one of the best which I saw yesterday. I forget who it was. And I apologize. But it's the that the Drake curses still on despite him wearing a shirt with all four logos of the championship Sunday teams because all four teams should've lost yesterday. It's so close the margin of error is so close between these teams that anybody could have made it, and that's why it's a particularly bitter pill for the saints fans to swallow that the game would have been over if the most obvious pass interference call of the day, by the way had been called. And it wasn't. And it's comes after a year in which they lost in one of the most gut wrenching manners in Minnesota. Now that was just a self inflicted wound with young secondary members making a bad play at the worst possible time. 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The Ocho: Week 1 Power Rankings

Blogging the Boys

29:13 min | 1 year ago

The Ocho: Week 1 Power Rankings

"Nona what up world welcome to another episode of the ocho presented to you in partnership as has always been nations blogging the boys dot com. My name are joe. Oh you know me of course from b._t. Be and from right here as humble host on the oh joe it is tuesday september third two thousand nineteen or making our way day-by-day as jason garrett likes to say to the official kickoff of the two thousand nine hundred regular season of course on thursday thursday the chicago bears. If you haven't caught on i really like to say it that way they host the green bay packers as the n._f._l.'s one hundred season gets going and of course course on sunday the dallas cowboys host in new york giants for the fifty eight thousand th time in a row rat cow giants week one in all seriousness. It'll be a lot of fun. Monday was a very interesting day in that. It was not that interesting for the cowboys got back to practice. It is officially a game week the cowboys kind of falling into their regular season routine and of course because it to gain weight because there's practice because things are serious now or more serious however you want to qualify the fact that ezekiel elliott is not there is a very interesting piece of information and for the record this episode episode. This podcast is being recorded very very very late monday night very very early tuesday morning and it's dropping in your podcast feed your blog on the voice podcast fee which i no because i know you regina you subscribe to whatever podcast platform you use to consume podcasts. If you subscribe to a lot of the most podcast feed like i know you have you get at least one dallas cowboys podcast in your feed every single day all throughout football season. It's incredible so i'm actually do that but so my point is that you could be listening to this at noon on tuesday or at one on tuesday z could have signed this thing. Is you know ever moving ever changing ever not moving ever not changing. It's just kind of wild so i will say i don yesterday's episode. The fact that we're hearing things like this seems positive in my opinion. It seems like we're close. It seems like we're maybe not flying close to the sun but we're we're on our way. It's kind of like kind of like you know when you you we've wall taken a long road trip. When i was a kid by kid i mean like all through you know my life up through high school. Every thanksgiving we went to my aunt linda's house for thanksgiving. We went to my aunt's house. My cousins were there and it was awesome yearly tradition and she lives in houston and i grew up in the rio grande valley. I grew up in brownsville texas and so that's a seven hour drive so we would drive and it was a long drive right and we had you know the same checkpoints if you had the same gas stations stations the same places. There's this spun hill. When you get this great beef jerky you know so we had all these things and so. I feel like we're at the last stop. You know what i mean like. We're not necessarily close. Are we might be close but we're at the very farthest at the last stop like the journeys almost over as my i point so it just kind of depends how fast we draft between here and there i hope that analogy made sense but <hes> so we'll see what happens with zeke i thought by by the way n._f._l. Dot com did a really interesting sort of assessment when it came to a lot of other players cynthia freeland who is the analytics expert at n._f._l. Dot com <hes> developed what she called a <hes> a metric that was designed to sort of mirror. What war is for baseball she she called wind shear and the idea is that you know by calculating wind share you can determine how many quote unquote wins a player is good for on their n._f._l. Team obviously it's not a perfect science but she is genius certainly more of one than i am and <hes> her analytical workers really great and her statistical models are really great and so she <music> her model a accounted or i should say allotted for ezekiel yet and projected him to a lot for one point one win for the dallas cowboys in two thousand nine hundred the zeke elliott will add individually one point one win to the dallas cowboys in two thousand nineteen and when you know because you so you think like a lot of people think oh zeke is the engine. He's the main piece of the offense. He's what drives it etc and when you hear you know somebody who's a lot smarter than most of us. Say say you know that her model suggested zeke elliot will add one point one win. It really gives you pause at paying him. You know i don't know approximately the fifteen million dollars per year. That is a lot of money to pay for one extra win and then you know and i wrote about this. It'll be out at blog dot com on tuesday morning. That's a store store by the way tuesday morning. I know that is somebody who recently moved into a new house but anyway you know so you think about that and you. Can you know extrapolate that a million different ways. You know it's totally worth that one win that one. When is the wind that puts the playoffs if that win is in philadelphia if that win is at new yorker corpor- in washington but that win if it's at home against miami isn't necessarily worth much. I mean you get the point. You can take that a lot of different directions but i find that it'd be very fascinating. Certainly as zeke is in the middle of contract negotiations very interesting piece of data but i digress the premise of today's episode while you're already comfortable portable in it is power rankings. We're going to do this every tuesday here. On the ocho gonna talk some power rankings kind of where the world is ranked in the dallas cowboys and and by every tuesday it might be every wednesday just kinda pens by the way speaking of tuesday and wednesday forget the day i've been no concrete promises but we are supposed to have a very very very special guest on wednesday's episode of the ocho and while we have gotten into the habit and the routine of dropping our episodes early in the morning a quick programming note wednesday's episode will probably drop some time around noon last week. We had mike pereira from fox. He was special august a few weeks ago. We had tony romo <hes> so we're supposed to have a very very special guest. Which is why wednesday's episode will be delayed. I think you'll enjoy it. It's all all keep our fingers crossed that everything goes through but so be on the lookout. It might be a little bit later on wednesday for that reason but my point is we'll talk power rankings either on on tuesday or wednesday depending when they come out. They typically come out on tuesday. That's why we might have to bump that to wednesday but you get the picture anyway speaking of powering and we always cover these at blog on the boys dot com tell you how espy nation ranked other tissue. Tell you sports illustrated. How pin dot com dot com. How everybody in the world is sort of viewing doing the n._f._l. Landscape after that particular week of the season well guess what this season. We're doing our own power rankings as well so every week on tuesdays at blog on the boys dot dot com you can see kind of a collection of how the world views it als- cowboys but you can also see how we view the n._f._l. I'm writing the power rankings this year so i've <hes> throughout my years of blogging and writing. I've never actually written any power rankings so this is a career i from me so we'll get through it together and if you like them cool if you don't oh well yeah not as cool but still definitely so let some without further ado let's get to it. Here is the official blogging. The boys power rankings for week one of the two thousand nine hundred nine season. Now i will note that obviously. We don't have a whole hell of a lot to go off of as it's week one. All we really have is how these teams finished last season and of course things that happen in terms of roster turnover draft picks <hes> injuries unfortunately that have happened in whatever manusha you can mind out of the preseason so without further ado number one new england patriots sorry number. One is the reigning world champions from me until they're not they are number one. The new england patriots are number one. That shouldn't be shocking. They host the pittsburgh steelers on sunday night football this week. That will be a lot of fun. Hopefully you were watching their game after a cowboys wing that always makes any football. All of them are a little bit more solid in my humble opinion number two the kansas city chiefs and i will say this is even though i've got the chiefs at number two on the power rankings. I think that there are two teams that are extraordinarily hyped across the n._f._l. This season the kansas city chiefs are one of them and the cleveland even browns are obviously the other and they're hyped in different ways. The hype for kansas city is obviously deserved. Pat mahomes is the reigning of u._p. But it feels like everything pat mahomes does does is elevated to this ridiculous level and i pat mahomes. He's awesome. We had him on e._s._p._n. Antonio <hes> the super bowl before you got drafted super bowl fifty one. He's a great dude. He's a great story. He's a lot of fun and if you don't enjoy watching him play football i mean i mean you're probably broncos. Chargers fan but pama homes is really great. I just feel like anytime. He does anything it's it's treated as if nobody's ever done that before and so sometimes that happens and i think we all certainly a cowboys fans got felt that with aaron rodgers and the hail mary stuff you get my point but still they're the best team in the n._f._l. Patriots it's for now number. Three the new orleans saints obviously a team that could have contended for the super bowl last year obviously a team that led to a rule change <hes> the saints are the only question i have for the saints and that's why they're number three and maybe not number two is drew brees did kind of alter down the road last season and by falter i mean he just wasn't playing that ridiculous drew brees and so there's only one tom brady in terms of people that can play into their fifties or sixties or whenever time but he's gonna stop playing but i don't know i mean i don't know when the end comes for drew brees. Is it in two thousand nineteen. I really have no clue but i mean there's a lot of reason to believe in the saints breeze and chimera mirror and michael thomas and i think marcus davenport has a better sophomore year than they did rookie season so those are the top three we will get into the other twenty nine teams on blog on the boys is power hirings right after a word from our sponsors football is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching that first game like having a shot at a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football is celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just by using code sb nation. Here's what you do download. 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We had to address melissa. It's so the first three on our power rankings list new england patriots kansas city chiefs and new orleans saints number four nash shockingly again. This is week one los angeles rams that puts the final four teams from last season in the top four. The rams did not have the same offseason this off season that they did last offseason. They didn't go out and get a bunch of people you know. It feels like they're not as pumped up a year ago. At this time it was all the rams are gonna win the super bowl. You've got everybody uber's room chasing but still they're very good in sean mcvay and all that jazz although the todd gurley thing is going to be fascinating to watch in my fantasy football league of record. I thought i was going to have to take early. <hes> we have keepers and stuff <hes> had had my buddy. Noah who's in the leading on the podcast a few months ago and because of all that when got to me in the first round. I really thought it was going to have to settle for todd gurley and i was really talking myself into it like <hes>. It'll be cool. You know it's going to be awesome but thankfully levy unveil fell to me so and i have to worry about that number five and this might shock a lot of people but you know hey. I believe what i believe and i say what i believe and i've said for a few weeks now that i believe the dallas cowboys have a top five roster in the n._f._l. And so if i believe they have a top five roster it should come as no surprise that the fifth team on my power rankings. I know that's high. I but i know people will scoff but we're talking about a team in the dallas cowboys that was in the division under the playoffs last year and that same team got a hall of fame tight end back in jason wouldn't wouldn't that same team got another pass rusher opposite of demarcus lawrence in robert quinn granted. He won't be there for the first two games of the season that same team figures to have a more explosive explosive offense with michael gallup taking the lead in year two with tony pollard as an addition to ezekiel elliott. Obviously i'm assuming that zeke is back for all sixteen games. You get the picture and most importantly accordingly dak prescott. I really believe the dak prescott is going to take a step and you can call it homer resume. You can call it blind optimism. Whatever the case may be there are a lot of reasons to believe attack prescott now that he is free from the rule of scotland eoghan dak prescott kellen moore. I'm just saying understand so dallas aas cowboys as number five on week one power rankings just after them and i mean just after them the philadelphia eagles look. I mean let's call. Let's call it what it is people. All the eagles are fantastic. Team got fantastic roster. It's going to be really interesting to see what happens with carson. Wentz obviously would know nick foles there etc and look if carson arsim plays all sixteen games. I think this team that wins ten games i mean i think this is a team. That's that's pushing the cowboys for the n._f._c. east title the only reason i've got the cowboys ahead of the eagles is the cowboys swept eagles last year and so until we see some data in the year two thousand nineteen. This is where things stand for me number seven. I have the los angeles chargers chargers. I think the chargers at i think that philip rivers could suffer from the same effect that i forewarned about drew brees and i know that derwin derwyn james's her and melvin gordon's hurting holding out but the chargers like philip rivers finds a way. I mean we've seen that happen before. Kenan allen's one of the best and most underrated receivers in the n._f._l. I just i figured the chargers are going to find a way. I'm prepared to be wrong about the charters because if you unprepared to be wrong number eight rising if i'd written these last week i certainly would have been lower but when you trade for a big time pass rusher puts you squarely inside the top eight aka the top ocho the seattle seahawks come into the judean clowney ziggy onset and seahawks really remade that pass rush and one offseason <hes> respect to them and i still i still feel like we forget that russell wilson is awesome and i think the same reasons we believe in the cowboys and i so you could most of us here <hes> do i think the seahawks have some of that and so i think the seahawks routine worth watching so i put them at number eight and number nine even though they're super high on a lot of people's parents <hes> cleveland browns and i actually i'm a little a little hesitant there too just because the hype is extraordinarily the ordinary high and it will be fascinating to see how the browns kind of react in that but the reality is. They have a lot of talent on offense. They have a lot of talent on defense. I mean they're they're really talented the team on paper. It's just can they do it. You know can they do it so the browns at number nine rounding out the top ten and it feels like this is this is in relation elation to the browns <hes> to some degree feels like people forget that this team exists the pittsburgh steelers and people act like losing levian and losing are really weird or to put it but losing levian for last season is part of what you know saw aggression for the steelers. The steelers were still a fantastic offense in two thousand eighteen. It's just their defense kind of fell apart and so i know that antonio brown gone and while he may be a huge distraction and a lot of ways judy smith schuster's worth believing in our friend ryan ryan switzer is a really talented slot receiver james washington is somebody that you know obviously be the next steelers draft pick to take off dante moncrieff <hes> <hes> i'm not wild about but still the steelers have a lot of talent and until they're a team that falls apart. I choose to believe that they're going to be a team that is in the thick of it so so they're number ten for me. If you read these by the way you can log on the boys dot com. These will be out around kind of tuesday lunchtime. <hes> if you're interested <hes> the the top ten every week we'll always have a little bit more of an expansive description but we're talking about thirty two teams here so i got to save you time. I know you don't have time to read thirty two paragraphs <hes> but number eleven the atlanta the falcons and i will admit if you've heard me on other podcasts and their shows over the years. I remember doing podcast with my buddies wooten. Y y show our aussie friends and i've always kind of hated on the atlanta falcons. I don't know why i just never bought into matt ryan and so it was funny because my dad and i were actually the ad super bowl fifty one and you know. Obviously you know how that game win but when the falcons were up twenty eight to three you know we were having this conversation because i you know i mean the only super bowl ever been to my lives probably the only one i'll ever go to get the idea and in so you know i didn't want the one i went to be this one that the falcons one you know what i mean like. Mike is just kind of like you know like we went to the masters and patrick read one and it was like <hes> yeah. You know what i mean anyway so we were already kind of talking to ourselves. Well you know matt ryan on deserves it and then thankfully they come back and everything but <hes> i just i i was wrong because the falcons are really impressive bunch. I think dan quinn is kind of underrated. Ah but matt ryan even devante freeman is a little underrated. They lost heaven coleman and i tell you what i think. Dirk koetter of being back in atlanta is going to be helpful for everybody buddy so i've got the falcons at eleven. I do have the chicago bears at number twelve. <hes> there might be too low but i don't see it. I mean i don't. I don't think the defense can sustain such a high turnover rate. I mean if there's people act like oh. The cowboys are this team. That has a good defense but a quarterback. That's questionable the team. That actually actually fits that description. That's the bears because what is there to believe in with mitchell trubisky. I mean i just i got to see more and i'm totally prepared to eat these words but i've got him at number twelve and a number thirteen just behind them kind of a cowboys eagles situation the green bay packers and that might be a little too high on the packers certainly <hes> given how they played last season and their roster isn't exactly loaded but aaron rodgers is aaron rodgers and depending on how this matt leflore offense looks. I mean they could be <hes>. There could be a threat in the n._f._c. North number fourteen fourteen this might be low for them as well and our buddy. Jimmy johns seth now was not pleased when i sent him a screen shot of my power rankings the houston texans and i know that they are conceivably and certainly better today than they were a week ago. Courtesy the you know the tunsil trade. I just there's something about that team. Just doesn't feel right the way its run and everything going on and i certainly think the texans are the favorite in the a._f._c. south. I think this jacoby <unk> belief is out of this world and we'll get to that in a little bit but i mean i think the texans favored but that's it. I think the favourite partly because andrew luck retired and if that's the reason you're the favorite then. I think something weird is up so i've got the texans at fourteen <hes> they do play on football by the way week one at new orleans. That will be a lot of fun fifteen. I've got the baltimore ravens a playoff team from a year ago same kind of thin i mean i hope lamar jackson is for real. I would love to see that but i just until we see it. We need to see more. I mean i need to see more from the ravens whose who's lamar jackson thrown into. I know they've got hollywood brown but still i mean i just it's a weird team sixteen to carolina panthers and i love their all or nothing. It was great and i actually believe leave. The panthers have a chance to be a top ten team kind of like a top seventeen. I think at the end of the season if cameras healthy that team is unstoppable when he wants to be when cameras at the peak of his powers the carolina panthers are unstoppable number seventeen the jacksonville jaguars i will say i think i speak for all of us. It's a lot of fun being able to root for nick false. He's a really likable dude. He's really easy to root for guys so it's really nice being able to root for him and i just i would like to see the jaguars do well. Well you know if weird when they did well two years ago because the bortles thing but if they're a functional offense with that defense if they sort of return to form that'll be fun <unk> at eighteen and i found this kind of weird when i rank these myself <hes> and i honestly kinda wish these but you know it's it's cemented already eighty at eighteen hundred tampa bay buccaneers and i was shocked because if you've listened to me before i think that bruce arians is really over hyped. He's certainly certainly had success wherever he's gone. He <hes> is is a great guy by all conceivable data points but i just feel like people people act like bruce. Arians is this visionary and he had to grade two thousand fifteen season with the cardinals but what happened after that. Nobody has ever explained why the cardinals fell apart in two thousand sixteen. Nobody nobody nobody's ever explained that it's just bruce arians because he's cool and he curses and he whereas cool hats like nobody wants to question him and people love to say hey quarterback whisperer he he gets the most quarterbacks is quarterback whisperer. Let's think about the quarterback. Bruce arians has whispered okay roussin whispered to peyton manning okay okay number one overall draft pick one of the quarterbacks of all time okay. He whispered to ben rothlisberger. Guess what first round draft pick one of the quarterbacks will end up in the pro football hall of fame guests. Guess who else he whispered to andrew luck guess who he is number one overall draft pick oh you whispered <hes> carson palmer guests who he is heisman trophy winner number one overall draft pick and what is jameson amos winston a heisman trophy winner and the number one overall draft pick but if and win james turns a corner in two thousand nineteen under the guidance and tutelage of bruce arians while i totally edna acknowledging admit that bruce arians deserves credit for that people will act like areas is the one who elevated james when all i'm saying is he's not exactly you know working with nothing you know he's working with premier talented you know fine six hundred him but you get my point anyway buccaneers at eighteen at nineteen the minnesota vikings things and i have chosen to believe in kirk cousins a little bit longer than most. He's a spurs fan. I interviewed him at super bowl fifty one that i mentioned a little while ago and he was really cool dude but right yeah i mean i'm not the best luck for me that i've chosen to believe in kirk cousins. I hope i'm wrong. I mean kirk is a cool dude and i really i really want the vikings to do well. I think a lot of cowboys fans want to see my zimmer dwell certainly not when they visited t stadium and then our football but i just i there's something about the vikings and so i hope the vikings are great right but they're nineteen at the new york jets. Sam darnold is legit. They probably climb and i mentioned that i have also fingers crossed from me. Twenty one the tennessee titans tennessee titans are weird man. They're just so weird and you know it's going to be weird and marcus mariota the free agent. It's going to be really weird number. Twenty two of the buffalo buffalo bills and josh allens kinda sam darnold thing obviously the same draft class and whatever speaking of the masters i know they went to the master and they did a podcast with with the master's digital team was really cool but call beasley our friend in buffalo now so that will be bills twenty two that feels right about right because they've got potential that defense this is really talented <hes> twenty three and this is a team that is ridiculously over hyped by a lot of people and maybe i'm wrong but i just don't see in the san francisco forty niners honors. I mean people out dak prescott and look if you doubt dak. I'm not in the mood into an argument about it. But why do people just blindly believe in jimmy garoppolo. I don't understand but we'll see and cash shanahan. This dude and i know that there's a lot of excuses for the last couple of reason or the seasons. Excuse excuse me but it's got to happen now. You know we got to see something out of you in san francisco you and john lynch because right now what reason is there to believe in that whole organization at at twenty four the indianapolis colts and let me say this. Peter king is outstanding journalists. He has forgotten more about football than i will ever know but in monday's as football morning in america peter king had the indianapolis colts winning the a._f._c. south and he had jacoby brusett finishing finishing third in the m._v._p. Race he had jacoby percent who is now a richer man than he was on monday. Jacoby percent finishing third in the m._v._p. Race i don't get it man. I don't get twenty five. The detroit lions <hes> e._s._p._n. Did a simulation and they they wrote about one <hes> on it's it's been dot com in the one that they wrote about. They had the detroit lions firing matt patricia after the cowboys beat them apparently by a score thirty five ten so we'll see twenty-six the washington fanton redskins. I tell you what it will be fascinating to see. Dwayne haskins this year but i don't think we're going to and i think this could be the end of jay groome. This has this this washington and team has the makings of you know they fight off doing haskins they fight it fight it fight it and then they finally let him star and he looks good but then you know it just kind of falls apart and j gruden's fired like fifteen kind of you can kind of sense that number twenty seven the oakland raiders. I mean prove it to us. Prove it to us. You got some talent derek carr kind of on the hot seat. Prove it to us twenty twenty eight the arizona cardinals. They're just so unknown. I mean whatever car there's going to be <hes> is going to be interesting but they're just so unknown at twenty nine and maybe this is a little too harsh. I i have the denver broncos who visit the oakland raiders by the way indy second when football game one. I just the the brilliant plan is joe flacco. That's that's the brilliant plan but anyway at thirty new york giants hello manning thirty one the cincinnati bengals who look lost <hes> but i think zack taylor you know get at this thing kind of turned around in a two year project you get and finally at thirty two of the miami dolphins for understandable reasons so that is our week one power rankings overblown. Nobody's dot com you can visit that list. It'll be out probably about tuesday afternoon and like i said we will also have where the rest of the internet ranks the cowboys amongst the the n._f._l. Hopefully you liked it. If you didn't feelings won't be hurt but you can let me know what you thought on twitter at our joe joe are you can shoot me an email r._j. That ocho at s._p. Nation dot com if you have thoughts or musings or contributions for next week's power rankings you can also tweet me or email me and certainly feature those as best as we can but that about does it for tuesday's episode and again for all we know at the time you're listening to this. Perhaps zeke elliott has signed. Perhaps he hasn't but i can guarantee you like i've said before if zeke nick signs we will have an emergency podcast episode available for you so don't worry about that <hes> that being said humana my friends as always go cowboys always they <music>.

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Hour 2: Bob Wischusen filling in

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Hour 2: Bob Wischusen filling in

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Plus he SPN radio is presented by progressive insurance customers switch to progressive can save an average of six hundred and sixty eight dollars call or click today and find out if we could save you hundreds on your car insurance again baba shoes in infra Stephen able to get back to the phones and just a little bit of triple eight say ESPN, but the sun is shining in New York City temperatures approaching fifty degrees and Carl ravaged is going to be at the Yankees opener tomorrow where the mercury is supposed to actually get to the mid fifties. And Carl when there's baseball being played the sun is out, and the temperature is over fifty for those of us that live where we live it feels like it's seventy five degrees outside like what is what what opening day is better than baseball. None. Now, they're really there is not one that's better than baseball, especially in the northeast and be last year. But you know, I drill down there. Still a Yankee Stadium. Finally got within the within about fifty yards of the stadium. Only to hear the game has been cancelled and literally turned around to the snowstor-. So this this is a complete way. But there is no better day. I it's evolved a little bit. It's changed. And I think in the American League only have a certain amount of teams that that really believe they can win. And that's probably true. The National League is a little bit different. And I think you know, way back when our dads were watching opening day meant, it, we go hope and faith, but Lincoln, we all have the chance not not the case this season. I don't I don't believe. Yeah. Obviously, the haves are very very strong in the American League there a few our teams that are kind of pretend haves I guess you could say in the National League let's start with the American League the game. You'll have tomorrow the Yankees. Of course, they seem to be Vegas at least in most books. Odds on favourite to at least make it to the World Series. If not win it. And yet, I don't know. I think that there's an element of health with their rotation. They kind of settled for the secondary guys instead of getting the top stars that were available on the free agent market. And last year the rotation wasn't as good as the Red Sox and this year. I don't think depth wise, especially of sales stays healthy. It's as good as the Red Sox again, obviously their bullpen is amazing. But are they going to be able to just slug their way to the World Series? Even if they're starting pitching, his subpar, or do you think my concerns would be valid if I was looking at the Yankees starting pitching and be able to worry. Yeah. I think that the Red Sox would have an advantage over over all the teeth in the American League when it comes to the starting rotation that is coming health and sales stays healthy and price stays healthy. And course, Elena's and get it in the head by drives like he did the other night exhibition game. But I think you're right. I my first gut reaction to us saying, I'm not so sure is you're from New York, and you you you're a fan you've been exposed. And I know you're a met fan, but you've been exposed to reality and reality suggest in this case, there are some things about the keys that don't don't ring you back to when they were automatically going to the World Series. When when they were the power, there are definitely three powers in the American League now, and I don't I don't put Cleveland in that category. But when James Paxton sane popped up. That was the one guy that I thought could be a difference maker in Houston in Boston and New York in Los Angeles for the dodgers. And the fact that the Yankees got him. I'm all in on Paxton. I think he fits perfectly in this environment. I think he'll be great against the Red Sox or their chief rival in the American League east loves him. And thought that was a great pickup don't think they shop in the Machado and and Harper waters or stores because I don't think they need them. If they didn't go get Stanton. Maybe that's different. But I don't think either one of those guys fit with that organization and the way they were built an I think the Yankees win the American League east they beat out Boston. But I don't think the wild card with the rotations that these teams have Suming their ace's row. K make a big difference in Boston may better be able to deal with the wildcard New York because of that bitching pitching depth belfry those Bob, you know, this they're all in a position to trade deadline or or guys that's going to be a free agent after next year to go out and make that move to solidify themselves right now, there's no question. I'm sure the Yankees could potentially depending on what happens with CC, depending on what happens with Severino. They could be in the market is the season moves on to go out and get another starting pitcher. They could get a j out. Away. Why wouldn't how crazy is the dells? Kyko is not with someone bake. No sense. It makes sense. I know Boris went out and said, look, we're looking at the five or six years may have mistake, but we'll closer and kimbrel. I wouldn't do that. But a guy like Tyco three or four years for sure. But again, the one position that all of these teams that are in either league and are competing for a postseason or World Series berth. I if they don't go and get Dallas Cuko when one of their starters goes down. Then then you really have a problem. I don't understand why he's still out there. But gosh that guy will be absolutely in demand because you know, like, Severino and others starters. Get hurt. You know, there's no question. Although in the American League as sexy as it is to talk about how the Yankees Red Sox are going to slug each other out all the way through the season. And it's going to probably be a great race to see who wins that division. The other TI will most likely be the wildcard wouldn't you love to be the Astros where if you've got some injuries don't worry about it. If you're bullpens a little banged up. You got some guys need a day off don't worry about it. You're going to win your division by fifteen games. If you sleep walk through the season, I think the Astros might be the most dangerous team in the American League. And I think they might be the deepest. A little worried about their starting pitching alliance of young guys the Korea neck injury as I was saying this morning on BUSTER only podcast like there's two things that are not good nothing. Good happens after one AM and any injury. That lingers is just a bad thing. So he's got a lingering issue that created itself last year and where you're going into a season. And there's this lingering neck pain that that's an orange flag for me. That's not read at eight yellow it's orange. There's something going on there for a guy that is middle of the order shortstop on a would-be World Series team. That's a that's a cautionary flag to begin with. So sure is it easier to be in the AL less than it is the AL east. Absolutely. I think Cleveland got problems this year with Minnesota. But beyond those, you know, it's funny. You look at fan graphs or five thirty eight and the American League it's like eighty nine percent chance playoffs Yankees. Eighty six Red Sox. Eighty seven Astros eighty two Indians. And then you drop off the map you get something. Like in the twins down to the forty percent in the National League is very different than that Carl Ravitch with a seer baba shoes and sitting in for Stephen amnesty, even Smith show on ESPN radio. We'll get back to the phones coming up in just a little bit. But rather, of course, is the face and voice of baseball tonight. He'll have the call of Yankees Orioles tomorrow at the stadium on opening day. Well, let's flip over to the nationally real quick because there are many more teams that probably can make the argument that they may be the best in the National League. And there are many more teams that you probably can paint as like a Minnesota Twins esque dark horse in the NFL. So right now, if you had to pick the team, you think will emerge from the National League who would you put your money on right now? Yeah. I put my mom. I think the nationals are separated the nationals than dodgers have separated themselves. And I think the nationals are going to be better for a lot of reasons than they've been, and it's it's not necessarily an addition by subtraction with Harper. But their defense in the outfield is gonna. Be better. I think you've added Corbin there and the bullpen is good. You created an environment there where I think you have a bunch of players who will walk around this year have this spring, San we know who's not here, and we will show you where way bigger than one player. So I think the nationals are the best. I think the dodgers are right there. And then I think after that you could have the Phillies the Braves or the Mets win awhile card or two of them. You could have I think the cubs win the central? You can have the cardinals or the brewers. And I think the pirates are going to be pretty interesting this year win a wildcard and out west clearly the Rockies can do that. So there's an awful lot four teams that find themselves in the fifty to sixty percent chance to make the playoffs versus necessarily the eighty nine to ninety two's. Thank you see in the American League. Yeah. I'm a met fan. So obviously, Anna jet broadcaster. So obviously, I have a just a natural pessimism that grows inside of me like a weed, and I listen, I'll see. Anti on the anti pessimistic guy. I I'm surrounded by the Mets people they last year thought prior injuries. They were they were knocking on the door. I love the degrom signing. I would never give a guy like that away. And I don't care that he could do this next year. Yeah. The the problem with the Mets has been their injuries. It's kind of like the angels. And the Mets are way better than the angels relative to their vegan their division, if they can get healthy and Conforto can hit again and the bull Ted is strong. And those starters comes through. Yeah. They they're an eighty six to eighty nine ninety win team. Now, if the stuff goes bad, and they get hurt and cesspit us never comes back and all that happens. Yeah. You could win eighty games, and that would stink. But I I'm been bullish on the Mets because of those two guys at the top. And I I'll stay that way. Yeah. I guess it seems like every spring were in this position with the Mets. They've got all of the questions, and as a Maxine you're sitting there going, well, all of these questions could turn out to be. S's and it could be two thousand fifteen and you could be sitting there watching them play in late October going. How did we get here? This is a missing I thought this was an eighty one team at the start of the season we're in the World Series. And I and look the Alonzo deal is is it good idea for them. I think this is like a trend here and major league baseball that I think is a recognition that the CBA is going to change down the road while your service time or go to. Yeah, we're gonna to it. It's just asinine to to have a system in which you're at a sense not putting your best players on the field. So you can save a year of their service time later that makes no sense. And that will absolutely addressed that we're at a time now where we should reward the twenty two to twenty six year old player because the thirty two thirty six isn't getting rewarded anymore, and shouldn't so that that will change, and I think to teach junior out in San Diego and and Alonzo here in New York are indications that at least through crystal ball. You can see how this works. World is going to change for the better. I just the most amazing stat that I remember from last season was by far the number one pitcher in baseball ER, a was of course, was Graham, and he won the Cy Young. Because of it the second best ERA collectively in the National League were all of the pitchers that pitched against Jacob degrom and against if you took a guy he went up against in his thirty some odd starts he had like a one. Yes. And his opposing pitchers have like a one ninety RA. They never scored forum. And I'm wondering if I'm supposed to believe that a full season of the McNeil's and the nimmo's of the world, you know, Pete Alonzo is going to be edited this lineup on aging Robbie canot. And all of a sudden they're going to go from a team that last year. I mean couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat to now try giving these starters some run support. I just and who knows if cesspit is will. At any point this year. I'm I'm working at their lineup. And I'm wondering how I'm supposed to believe they're going to be good enough offensively to surprise everyone and compete with the nationals affiliate sobriety are hard to argue. Although I mean, it is an again if you took it in a vacuum. You're questioning nimmo's ability. You're questioning Alonzo's ability you called canot aging, and he's certainly he's certainly getting older we're not getting any younger, and yet I would think that going into a season and engaged Robinson canot is a really good hitter. You didn't have last year. True. Michael Conforto at the end of the year and during flashes of his career showed. He can be a very good bet. So you could certainly go with the optimistic. Hey, we got canot. We didn't have last year. We have Conforto. That's better. We didn't even know Peter Alonzo was last year. And now that the chance he starts at first base and assessment is thing is is a mystery. And it's frustrating mystery. But they're to me I'll go with. More reasons for optimism and hope that the team doesn't just and look they're a bunch of pitchers, Bob. But you know, this when they go on the mound, whether they're whether they're with a team that is supposed to school runs or don't and you have Clemens on the mound. Many of the Yankees have recognized. Why don't they score when he's on the mound? It happens with other pitchers historically when they are the ace. I don't know the offense just decides with today, we don't need it. If we get one or two we're good instead of going in with the idea. Let's get him six or seven and win the game easily. All let's that may be a frame of mind. You know, your I'm coming around. I mean, if you can't be optimistic on opening day of baseball what day of the year or can you be optimistic? All right now, I'm optimistic Mets gonna win ninety hula brother drink the coolest. I love it. I appreciate Raby have a great call tomorrow. And you know, I'll be watching baseball tonight all year about executive. That's Karl ravage with us here on the Stephen a Smith show on ESPN radio baba shoes sitting. For Stephen a triple eight say ESPN, triple eight seven to nine three seven seven six. The Stephen Smith show is brought to you by private OTC kick, your aunt acid habit with private OTC. We'll get back to the phones. All right now baseball is on the table as well. He won't talk about the NFL rule changes certainly can wanna talk about the NFL draft at brought the giants up and how they may shake the draft up. You could certainly bring up baseball as well because it's opening day. And for anyone that doesn't live where palm trees are just naturally in your front yard like if you live in Miami. Or you live in Arizona you live in southern California. I have a natural. I shouldn't say natural almost like an illogical unnatural hatred towards all of you. Because you get to walk out your front door on a Saturday morning in January, and it's just seventy degrees. You have no idea what baseball means to those of us that live for no reason other than we are somehow ensconced in these places where it's cold we live in these places where the taxes are too high. Where there's too much traffic where the houses cost too much. There's just too many people. It's too loud. And in the wintertime, it's miserable and cold. We have to get through all of that. And how do we get through it opening day baseball? When baseball comes back. I'm totally convinced. That's a big reason why baseball is such a huge sport in cities. Not just the history of it. But in cities like Chicago like Philly like Boston, Saint Louis New York because it means good weather is finally coming back, and it finally is going to happen tomorrow. We're gonna have some sunshine in New York City in a baseball game or to to watch. So we will go back to the phones talk to Dale who joins us next on ESPN radio baba shoes and sitting in for Stephen what's up now. Yeah. You know, I don't agree with your instant replay fire away your days, I dated. But least the last two minutes of the game. When everything's on the line if it means the difference plate win lose a yes. That they would be reviewed which in the NFC championship game. It did. And that's why thirty one out of thirty two teams voted your way. And the Bengals are the only team that voted my way. But again, my question Dale is why do you think this is going to eliminate controversy? Why why do you think at the end of game? But don't you think there's the potential for this to add even more controversy to the ends of these games? Paul Foy could. But what really bothered me was. There was a petition going around and the Rams territory to get at one of the fficials caped off the fish team. And because he supposedly was showing bias when they play again out. I mean that I'm not into conspiracy theories. I don't care that you know to me. That's you know, that that's the lunatic. French I, you know, I I don't think any of those officials in that spot didn't pull out their flag because they've got some bias against the saints or they had bets on the Rams. I I mean that moments like that in the NFC championship game. Bring out the wacko theories. I don't subscribe to any of those. I just think those officials pull the rock in that spot, and they just blew it. Jay joins us next here on ESPN radio. Hello, jake. Hey, bobby. How are you doing time calling in man? It's good to talk. Again, thanks for buzzing. I like this you're passionate about that pass interference. So I just have to things for you real quick number one. It's your opinion on how to fix it. Or should we just left it alone? As far as like, what is there a change that could have been made in not the one that they did. Yeah. Get under the official. That's competent enough at a big spot to throw a flag. That's right. That's me. Like that. That's the thing that I think is the craziest about this. And even if this is only a one year trial balloon, there will be games this year that will be affected, and maybe it will be enough of a controversy multiple games last two minutes, where they'll say, this is just ridiculous, and they'll blow it up after this year, yank it back out, and it won't be something going forward that they're going to use. But you know, to me I don't think we are ever going to see in our lifetime. A call that obvious in that type of spot of that magnitude. Dude blown that way. Again in such a crazy Fabio just. Yeah. It was. Agreed. Yes. Okay. So there may be we get rid of those two officials that we're looking at it. And that's the message to you. Well, the one thing that you that the one thing I would guarantee you is I don't I don't think guys are gonna get fired. And I think I have heard, you know, the Mike Pereira's of the world who certainly are inside the beltway. As far as the officials are concerned. Those guys are to to be an official on the field at the NFC championship game. Understand you needed to grade out the entire season as the best of the best. Those crews are theoretically the best officials the NFL has every single play of every single game from the I position of every single official is graded by the league, and those grades produce the officials that you see in the playoffs. So what you will never see again will be either of those two guys on the field in a championship game. The two guys that had is on that play. And neither of them had the rocks to pull out a flag and throw it. There are not going to be put in that position again because they proved they weren't up to the task. But that doesn't mean the other guys that don't great out. Well aren't. I think ninety nine percent of the officials in the NFL would've pulled out a flag there and thrown it. That's how the call was. So to now alter the way that all of these games could potentially be played at the end of games the last two minutes, especially where you're going to get past interference or non calls the Nisshi aid from the booth. Based on a call. But it was just so mind-numbingly obvious that I I don't think that's circumstances. Coming up again. Maybe I'll be wrong. Triple eight say ESPN, eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six you have frequent heartburn like the kind. We have an acid stashed everywhere in case it pops up. 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Now riverine spot running the NFL replay center and making these decisions now has moved over to FOX and is one of their NFL rules analysts, but he joined Freddie and Fitz Simons and had a couple of things to say about where the competition committee has now gone with you know, deciding to involve instant replay an offensive and defensive pass interference. And maybe we could play the first cut guys dean blandino and hear what he had to say about how not that long ago. This was not even. On the table and this one call in the NFC championship game has changed all that. This is the competition committee that is just as recently as two three years ago would adamantly opposed to making these subjective calls review Ables bypassing occurrence. And again, I think one year I liked the idea of a one year experiment in essence that you don't have to vote it out next year. If it doesn't work you can just, you know, not vote it back in. But I think we're gonna see there's a lot of things that they have to vet out. There's a lot of probably someone intended consequences, while the unintended consequences read between the lines that is the replay booth getting involved in a fifty fifty call inside of the last two minutes because the games on the line. There's a twenty yard pass thrown over the middle and at full speed, bang bang. Did the safety get there? Right as the ball arrives. Did he get there a shade early? And we're going to be in soup. For slow MO five minute delay mode to see if there's a game changing pass interference call that. They may go to replay and stick with the call on the field and pick the flag up or or say that they were right to not throw a flag. There is not only the chance for there to be game changing mistakes made there is the chance that at the ends of these games. We could have like total trips back and forth to the replay booth. They could be in and out of the replay booth three or four times in the last two minutes on pass interference calls just because one team or the other with two minutes to go was most likely going to be down in throwing the ball. There will be games. Like that. Mark my words, they'll be games like that. And when that happens, I'm wondering how happy we're all going to be that we completely overreacted to one call in one big spot where one official to officials actually didn't have the stones to throw a flag. And we could have avoided all this. It's gonna brand joins us next here on ESPN radio. Hey, Brandon about good. Hey, I want to let them out completely one hundred percent agree with you. We already have too many pass interference calls then with and the whole point of the replay as you mentioned is defined undisputable evidence, and plain and simple task interference. If I have my arm on your own you can say that. I'm Vicky you catching the ball. Somebody else may not view it as such and overall. I know I think it's mentioning Pandora's box. It really is it now the sudden you're gonna have quarterbacks pointing to the other side of a field after they threw it incomplete passing. Oh, my wide receiver was being held. And then all of a sudden holding is going to be, you know, review -able on offense and defense, and we're just we're giving them too many chances to put the game and the officials hands and like you said over one blown call that is just not going to happen again. Now, we're going to have to be putting Purnell all of these instant, replays or something so simple. Yeah. There is a reason. That they have never put replay into judgment call situations in the past as the reason for that. And I really think this is a very good chance. We're going to find out that reason and maybe after one year, maybe there will be so many terrible ends two games where the replay booth is just way over involved that they'll yank it out. Maybe you're from now won't even be a factor anymore. You know, they may say this just been work and after because they only have it in for one year. If it doesn't work it's not like they have written this into in order for this to happen beyond this coming season. They have to revisit this whole thing next year if they want to make this permanent because right now, this is kind of a one year trial balloon. But even for one year, I don't like the idea of last two minutes of a game every receiver. Right now throws their arms up looking for a flag at the end of every play where they don't catch the ball. Think of how many more times those guys might throw their arms up at the end of every play looking for a flag when they don't come away with the ball when they know by throwing their arms up they can draw the attention of the replay booth. Benjamin's us next here on ESPN radio. What's up then? Hey, bob. I'm this is the first time I've ever gotten into SPN. So this is all welcome to say, you know, I'm a huge football fan. And all the talk of the giants is getting really old because they haven't been relevant since two thousand eleven but he managed completion percentage. Everybody talks about that. Like last year was the greatest of his career Arkley that Barclays touch after catch was eight point seven eight point seven, correct. So people point out that his yards after catch were higher, but without sake one fake, one hundred eighty eighty one catches something like that. But I mean any any quarterback that's got a high completion percentage now in the NFL has it because he's going to running back. He can throw the ball to that's where a high percentage sleep. But that's what I'm saying. That percentage only has to do with the modernization of the NFL has nothing to do with EU is improvement. But I'm just wondering how much you think Levy on is going to help. Out Sam darnold tremendously. And and how excited you are for that. Because I also feel like some quarterbacks do tyrod Taylor. For instance. I feel like he got his success came so much from shorting throwing short balls that he became accustomed to doing it and kinda lost his his his mid accuracy. And Tom Brady's success is largely based on throwing mid range balls. He had rob gronkowski and a bunch of running backs and a bunch of little slot receivers the run all these little option routes. I mean, how often do you think Tom Brady is throwing a ball that travels fifteen yards or more in the air? Most of his success is based on throwing the ball to guys that are within six to eight yards of the line of scrimmage a lot of time to check down in the backfield. Sometimes it's the little seem route to rob gronkowski. But it's the ability to be able to create those mismatches and have a quarterback that can instantaneously identify the mismatch and exploited. I don't penalize you lie Manny, forever and saquon Barkley. And I think Sam darnold is going to benefit tremendously from having on bell. That's an unbelievable security blanket for a quarterback to have especially young quarterback. Check it down. Don't throw it into traffic. Just check it down especially since this is the first time maybe since Freeman McNeil where the jets have had a running back where they could throw a five yard pass to him. And that five yard pass that you're watching on Sunday in the box score. On Monday is a fifty are touchdown. Wow. Look at that. Sam darnold through fifty yard touchdown pass to lady on. Yeah. It's route four yards and Libyan did the rest, I mean Curtis. Martin's in the hall of fame, Kurt it. That was not Curtis. Martin. Curtis. Martin was never a breakaway home run hitting type of a runner. He was caught from behind almost every time. He got into the open field. He just didn't have blazing speed. He was so in believably tough. So inbelievably disciplined always played hurt. You know, so strong yards after contact that was history. But he wasn't this allusive game. Breaking you know, fifty plus yard type potential player lady on bells a home run hitter. And you'd better believe that it's something that every quarterback in the NFL would embrace as being a part of their offense, including the giants will stay on Barclay. Let's go to Mike joins us next here on ESPN radio. Hey, mike. Yes. I've welcome budget had on the on the line doing a great job filling in for Stephen. And I wanted to ask you about the replay. And I think you've hit it right on the head. When you said, it's going to become more complicated. Don't seem gonna they're gonna be more call they're going to be. Be controvercial. I think what data do is just give them four or five replay contestants take the two minutes out of it. Have the coaches have to decide and have it cost him a timeout? Every time you also want to renew a play a colored out to do it. A caller brought this up before. And I don't know if you've heard my explanation, then but I'll give it to you as well. You're Andy Reid. You're the play caller. You're Sean Payton, you're the play caller two minutes to go in a game. Your teams down for you've got one time out left. The clock is running. You're trying to get a couple of plays called. But your quarterback in the huddle. You're trying to manage your substitutions. What personnel packages you on the field? You've got all of this game management. You know, the cacophony of noise in the stadium. All of this is in your orbit in the last two minutes. They wanna take digging the calls right off the plate of the coach. And I understand that. I mean, there are a lot of head coaches that want it. To be like the college deal where there's no challenges just get the call, right? If replay needs to get involved, the booth should buzz down and all of the decisions should come from the booth because I don't really feel like I've got enough to worry about. So certainly what the balanced they've tried to strike is in the last two minutes when you're running hurry up. You know, you're running no huddle. And there's a lot of things to worry about. We're not gonna put that on your plate too. And I understand that CB joins us next here on ESPN radio. See we all do it fail is fair. Fail is fantastic. I love it. But you know, you know, this is strange inefficient when you deal with these flags being thrown and all this in you know, over reviewing place. I think the NFL is fine. I feel bad for New Orleans Saints. You know, I think they haven't got giant. They got jamming. You'll they got screwed. Yeah. There's no question. Yeah. I feel bad for him. But you know, what the Rams only scored three points in the Super Bowl. So you know, it was it was almost like karma. But but but let me tell you Bob, thanks for taking my call. But when when Tom Brady takes the field. There's only one thing that is protect the shield. He's steps for lift he steps to the right, but there's no receiver incite, he checks them. Just as you said. And then go walk come free, and it amazes us to the kiss degree gone power this way, two would-be tacklers in find his way same age how how long does it ain't normally go. I'm just curious. What verse are we in this? Why is this like us on it is this like, you know, like like how how how many verses are in this Paul? No, no, no, no. No, no, this only five more seconds, Bob. Alright compromise stressed with no doubt. Stand up in the strike reediting. Give us shut out to even though. He won his time's up. Sorry CB. My god. Oh, my head hurts the NBA on ESPN radio. Tune in tonight Donovan Mitchell and the jazz host the Lakers, presented by indeed coverage begins at ten P M eastern on most ESPN radio stations as long as you're still with me. And I didn't lose you over the last thirty seconds when you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time sorting through dozens of irrelevant resumes. 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What's in your wallet Babu shoes? And sitting in for Stephen age, just a few more minutes to get some telephone calls in. So we'll squeeze in a few. If we can before the top of the hour. Mike joins us next here on ESPN radio. What's up, Mike? How you doing Bob? Hey, let's say was that the no call that was also made in the Super Bowl. Remember the play member interception that New England caught. The passenger I know coal against the patriots. That was not made. I don't remember that specific player if if the play before the inception. There was a pass interference against England. That was not called the next play was an interception. Yep. Okay. Yeah. I mean, all that's going to be up for debate. Now. If you take a look at yourself, you'll see it was the no call maybe where we're gonna have all kinds of situations. Like that at the end of games now miles joins us next here on ESPN radio, eight miles. Hey, man, taking you got him. All right. I just wanted to say that I pretty much agree with you because oh on the LA round fan but often Jacksonville Florida, but I pick up pretty good about this. So this is what the benefactor of the no call. I was in Vietnam of you know, the the referee. Call them all debt down needed took the ground. So are they going to start going back and reviewing those call it now? Not a hundred percent. Sure, exactly what you said. Let's go to Kyle in Maine joins us next door and ESPN radio. What's up Cal? I'm doing a great job feeling them like always sex. Oh, so I've been going back and forth and my Dallas Cowboys friend. I've got doesn't matter. What I do. I give them numbers. I give him everything to do. With bronze being superior to Jason Witten. How can I get through to him that they doesn't matter that gronk, you know, he says made glass, but what the guy did in eight seasons essentially because he was out for almost the entire season. Completely just is light years ahead of ahead of Jason win. I mean, Jason Whitten's also a great player in a hall of Famer. But if you I would I guess I would say this if you gave any general manager in the history of the sport, knowing what we know now a chance to draft either Jason Witten or rob gronkowski every general manager in the history of the sport, including those in Dallas would draft rock. These better. He's the most dominant player that I've ever seen at that position. Jason Witten is a great player didn't change. How teams defended the Cowboys rob gronkowski changed? How teams approached their draft? Rob gronkowski changed. How teams in the division emphasized safety as a position they knew they needed to spend money on the free agent market or draft. Just because they knew they had to have a way to guard against him as best they could or else. They had no shot to stop them that does it for me. Thanks for all the callers very much. Appreciate you. Giving us buzz today. 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"Our? Welcome to the barn. Walsh show. I'm Bill Barnwell, the PIN, we are back gone for a few weeks, I was often Australia's at South Africa, I have returned back to the United States and returned to my very podcast or the Bill will show. Thanks so much for tolerating a few weeks, I was on vacation really enjoyed myself, but we're back to the business of sports, I would say sports, because later on, we're gonna have been Lindbergh my former colleague who now works for the ringer talking about his new book, the MVP machine, which is excellent. I will get more of that after the break. But I wanted to have our guest today on to talk about his pet peeve. It's fair to say he is someone who is very passionate about a very, very distinct element of the NFL Cup a little bit actually this Monday afternoon record. But here to make the argument against. Replay existing is our friend, Dan Ghazi on, Dan. How are you? Good. How are you? Good. I have been meaning to do this with you for a while, because you are someone who. Generally very mild manner. I would say the one exception, I would say on Twitter is that when replays takeover an NFL game I would say you enter into a rage is that fair Arthur wouldn't confined earner barrel. Now, like watching him in baseball. Basketball. I just think it's not good television. So, yeah, I, I mean I, I my, my position is a minority position. And I recognized this, but I feel like you know, when you're in a minority position, these days, you have to yell extra loud, in order for anybody even hear it. So, yeah. My, my position is all replay review, in all sports should be immediately abolished, because it's terrible and, and detract from the enjoyment of the game in which I look at it and says. The links should be paying more attention to write the enjoyment of their game like to watch. Because I think ultimately, that is a that is more potentially harmful place to sail than bad calls. I think the pursuit of perfection on a -ficiating could could have detrimental consequences long-term to sports. Okay. Let's start with this. So last you, why you hate replace your answer seems to be because it's aesthetically unappealing, and it makes bad television product is that fair? Right. And, and the proliferation of it and the expansion of it is, is making games more difficult to watch. So if it's I remember, I was covering baseball, when they put it in, and it was supposed to be found in calls right calls, like fair foul on home runs where they'll Pires to fold and fine. That's fine because that's a call that they can make. But keep adding that it and now you get to a point where the. Does the shortstop is holding the ball in his glove on runner's foot? Then basing pacing slid on a play a millimeter. And they gotta take a minute to review that, that's, that's messed up. And I just don't think that's something that I don't think it's so important that every single call the right that you have to subject, or your viewers, your audience to repeated stoppages of the action. And I think it's especially difficult in basketball where there's a lot of fomenting involved. I think we saw it in the final minutes of the NCWA Tampa could basketball game this year silly review that had no had no reason to exist. And really no reason to go the way it did. And I think you see it in the pro games. Now you watching these spinal games. They're, they're revealing every last thing as minutes in the middle very exciting game. And I just think it's as if you're, I find it on appeal, so. If it had just been limited to those, you know, those very clear, fair or foul, for example, would you have been fine with it? Or is it is it like what was there a point where the proliferation came so much that it was too much for you? Yeah. I think baseball is really what brought it to cover baseball. I still watching it, but the stuff every view is so minute and so silly and the process, which they do it where the manager will stand on the top step until he gets word from his replay guy on whether he should review it or not. I mean I so. Yes. And when we replace started the argument against it was a slippery slope argument. Right. They have pre start doing this, and we always just gonna foundry calls. It's just gonna be this is just going to be, you know, coaches challenges and football problem is once implemented the technology than people who are watching see that it's possible to get every call. Exactly right. Then you have an audience that won't tolerate anything less. And now what we see it happening in the NFL. Right. The, the NFC to game, the ends blown caller isn't that if I have long, call non call, and so now there has to rule change in order to, to make sure we don't miss that kind of call again and I think it stinks for the New Orleans Saints and their fans at that called, not go their way. But I think we have to step back from this sometimes and ask ourselves. What's the goal? What are we trying to accomplish? We're trying to radically that calls, and we're trying to. Radical human officiating. Then that's something that will ultimately happen. We'll go with robot officials computerize officials the way they do line calls, and tennis cetera. But built to me if you're if ultimate goal is perfection without mistakes without snowing failing. What how far are we from saying? Okay. Well, we've got officiating why are we still pal rating players dropping passes money would go to robot players? Like, what are we really trying to watch out here in terms of our sports? And how important is it that every single detail of the exactly perfect? I think part of the joy of watching sports is watching people overcome the struggle, the failings, the inevitable things that happen to being when they're striving for something interesting. And to your point to some extent, I think we're having. These conversations that officiating and they're almost dominating when actually happened in the game. You think about that? Saints game you brought up, which is, I think classic example on both sides of. Yes. We don't want that call to decide that game and it was a terrible. Call indefensibly awful, call that doesn't need or shouldn't have needed microscopic replay that should be overturned in ten seconds. If the rules are right to me. But what I would say, as you said, okay? Well the saints lost that game because of the because of that passion, French, call being missed, and I've heard that argument plenty of times over the past few months, but we actually got what happened in that game. Well the saints you know, dominant in the first half didn't really play that well or the brand for parable in the first episode did not get kicked field goals didn't play especially well and then after that missed field goal. Sands could feel called to go up three points. They should have won that game and then allow the Rams to drive Rams ticked gametime field goal from that mistaken and then won the coin toss. Number. Time. And then three interception over. Fall again. Right. And sarah. Yeah. Those are all things that have sort of been written off and pushed to the sites. It's always screwed up that one call. But realistically the saints still could have won that game and still should have won that game on more than one occasion in the final few minutes that game even after the balloon call nerve report or why people people think they want to play. Universally to overturn every call and get everything. Right. But there won't they don't really want that. They want the scapegoat if the if the saints fans for forced to confront the reality that their team won the overtime, coin toss and through an intersection that their team had a fourteen point lead at home in the stadium I've ever been in, in my life and couldn't put the vans away in a home game to go to the Super Bowl, if they really wanted to confront that. Then then sure, but they don't blame it on an official and that's user. It's like blaming the media, right? Blaming your heroes that you root tear for and that you live and die with that. That that's so too. I think sports actually bad calls. I don't think I don't think sports would benefit from the Aratu patient, bad golf. The problem is. We have the perspective of the of the coaches and players dominates the way sports are viewed right now. Right. Because they, there's, there's less of a of a buffer between coaches and players and, and the fans which in some respects is good, but also in some respects as because the concept of media is, I think an important one can be bad, because, you know, you can get distortions of the other thing is the coaches and players, you know, ex-coach's ex players all over the landscape with regard to sports in their coverage. So you hear coaches opinions players, opinion, Mexico's opinions ex players opinions. And it's hey we gotta get this right this too much fake. We gotta get this, right this, too much, and that resonates with fan who are invested in their team success. And yet, the right how possibly allow this to happen when, in fact, if you step back in your fan, which you can't possibly allow to happen is to have the games, be boring to watch like, why would you. Go to a game like just to see your team win or to enjoy yourself at the game. I think we're in a dangerous place was fourth where people is people's priorities are getting a little out of black, and they're going along with what their their favorite player favorite. Coaches is saying in their parenting yet. It's important. It's so important at the right team win. I take the physician that it's not a paramount importance that the right team win. And if I'm running the NFL, if I'm running for running major league baseball, I'm much more concerned about keeping my customers interested in finding let's talk more about the replay rules and how tree solve the lack of fun when it comes to late games. Lee NFL in a moment. But first, let's talk about our friends at ZipRecruiter guys. 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Download the free ZipRecruiter jobs are chat of sooner it can help you find a better job now back to the show. Do you think there is a portion of the fan base that's being turned off by replant? Why don't know that it's possible we know that ratings dip Lino ratings down all over television period because of the way people consume media. Now I I mean I, I don't want to think much maybe it's because I'm too football now it's my job when I mean, the games. Tough, and, you know, it's, it's pitchy changes in its analytics driven, and it's all this stuff, and it's just kinda like, you know, feel like a lot of joy is being taken out of the game, one of the things I think that. I think as more get sort of revolutionized in the information age. I think people are forgetting the importance of infusing the new stuff with some kind of joy, right? So if you like the we're getting off topic a little bit. But like if you're, if you're traditional stats in baseball, or no loan or of the value. They, they used to be to office player evaluation and putting new staff like or, or, you know, X fifth and all these things baseball hasn't done a sufficient job giving their fans a reason to get excited about those stats than just this is how front office is really into this is how you do it. So I think with replay, you have to kind of join us exercise, right where the official staring into a monitor waving here from up stairs. While there's, there's some suspense to it, you could make it interesting. But I think if you continue to do it more, and more, and more and more, and interrupts bogs down, especially the critical. The final minutes of games in causing yourself more problems than your salt. Did I tell you about my idea solve the catch problem? No, maybe but I don't recall also possible. You talked a lot of people, I would not be offended, if you don't remember, if I've told you ready, but I'll pitch it to you here. Let me know what you think I pay what I call the committee, which is basically you stick, fifty four NFL wide receivers and fifty former NFL defensive backs in a room, sort of similar to like a who wants to be a millionaire style sent like dark, and then he's shown the replay for one minute all replace, you can show for a minute. And then they all vote and you get to see who votes for which sides like which wide receivers wrote it for it not to be a catcher which Cornerbacks then you get the final two or three and it's very close and they have to vote. I think that would be fascinating television. And I think it'd probably be a better catch rule and a better way to judge catches, that we actually have in the NFL. It wouldn't fascinating television, like span for, for the NFL, right? Like it has like the Senate voted who break the time. What if all voted one way and receivers all voted another way? Right. Some sort of tie-breaking vote who's that is it, you know, is the Commissioner is it some fan. I play wide receiver and cornerback Devin Hester, maybe on Dion raise would be tiebreaker. Right. He played, so. Yeah. Makes sense now. I mean, look at yeah. 'cause that was that was interesting, right this back and forth. But I don't know I still think better off, if we, if we accept missed calls and officiating as a game condition much like we do with weather. The win took that kick wide left. Well, you can't can't fix that, right? That's, that's a that's a game condition. All bad calls are game condition as long as you're using human officials, and your job is to outplay them. Yeah. The saints job was to take a deep breath. Dent, the bone overtime though score touch drew Brees gonna say I I don't I don't know. I don't get it. Do you think it's dawn too far and we sort of put the faith back? You can't you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube at this point. Right. And I you know, I thought on Twitter, Kevin Seaford and I go back and forth play replay. And, and I, I've make fun of him for being sort of sort of joyless robots about this issue. But we have we have fun talking about it. But yes, his point is correct, which is defense won't accept it. Like if you if you if, if they did what I wanted to do, there's no more replay review in sports. It's, it's, it's, it's stupid and boring. It's going right. We want you to watch the games watch. The players and watch them compete against each other, and the bad brakes, fall, when it fall people wouldn't accept it now because the replay TV networks would not stop showing replays in and all the fans at the outrage and the, and the coaches and the players would be outraged. Well, we have two dollars to get this. Right. You're allowing your games to be turned on obviously wrong calls and that decisions when you don't have to and I don't think they'd stand for it. I think we're too far down the road. Unfortunately with that, do you think it's possible to push back at least some extent. So you don't have those, you know, measuring whether the ball rolled out of a players hand or player didn't, you know tap tap. The base for long enough on a, a turn that second base or in football, you know, like, the, the catch will where we we're, we're measuring footsteps and motion, or fumbles, or you know, because that's all on a pile. Like do you think fans would be okay, getting rid of some of those minutia calls and having replay like this? Broader structure for the things that are Moravians, like the fair foul home run. For example, that would be a step in the right direction because I don't think replay with ever supposed to be this. I don't think there was ever supposed to be what down brand by friends. Get the tip of the ball grays of blade of grass. We're go back again. A real life example, the NCWA Tampa to follow swatted out of the players hands by it defensive player the defensive player made that ball go out of bounds. However, they review it and they find that after he squatted it's stayed on the offensive players pinky for an extra second. And so they at the ball to the defense because it went out off the offense player, that's not basketball. That's not sports. That is a technical foul on what you game may have turned the ball went out of bounds as a result of an action by the defensive player. The fact that I mean how many in about it throughout history? How many times has that happened where? You're now telling me it's been called wrong because yes it was still technically touching the offense of players head when he player swatted out of balance. And we've never repeat that one before I think it's crazy. So, yes, I think we played the replace standard has to be obvious the stakes obvious mistakes. And I think the league's have to have to do a better job of delivering the message of, yes, we're gonna fix obvious mistakes over not going to bog down and four. You was endless reviews of minutia, because quite frankly, it doesn't matter. And he can't view them all. No one's gonna wanna watch that. So even if we got ninety nine percent of it would still be mistakes, and that one percent so effort to get to perfect on. This is not or the cost, do you think that in a way fans are more angry about calls now than they were twenty or thirty years ago that I don't know because I mean I wasn't covering it was coming twenty years ago. But what's not getting into that the? What? The nineteen eighty five World Series was decided by famous was bad. Call by Don. Thanks to right. I mean that is, you know, but I'm sure in Saint Louis, right? They tell you, they'll tell you to this day that they don't want that World Series. Right. So that's that's that's there. Now, I think people in general see angrier in the world than they used to be about any number of topics, but not all. Yeah. I think so. And I think that may be seeping into sports. We made us live in angry argumentative times that are exacerbated as been covered in, in the broader media, my social media. Right. So, yeah, I think so. And I think the -bility for people to sort of get together in, in online spaces and rant together and against each other is probably not doing any of this any good because, you know, you get to the point where you're validated by the same people who were as angry as you are so. Yeah, I think there's something, there's something to that. But look, I mean, people have always been passionate about sports in Casey at the bat. There's a there's a lions kill them kill the unpire. You know he didn't. They didn't like the call balls and strikes that was written. What six? So there's always been that sort of animosity toward officiating. But I think now you know, we're all we live in an era Bill as know where we all hear each other a lot more clearly. And that, that's that is for good or ill. And I think that, that exacerbate some of the intensity of some of these arguments, do you think to some extent? It's our fault in the media, just from the perspective of, you know, that saints call, for example, in nineteen seventy five that happens. But there's no Twitter for us to talk about it. There's no ESPN for us to debate it for days on end for fantastic. That his team got screwed. I mean, is it just that, you know, the, the twenty four seven cycle of football has made it such that you have to fill out with something and you fill it with bad calls. Maybe. Maybe that's the reason I for whatever reason I think the there's been an increased focus in -ficiating on officiating topics to cover, and I think that's the detriment of sports that we watch it would cover because I apprentice when FOX puts Mike Pereira in, in a in a television studio. Right. Like that, that was hailed as revolutionary idea. It was not his mandate was not to examine every call that was close and tell you whether the officials got it right. Or not his mandate was to interpret moves right? The PJ tours doing it for years. They have fish away, like all, you know, he's not allowed to drop that ball there per the rules, because it's closer to whatever. So Pereira was supposed to be doing something on the equivalent of that for football. But what is forced into? And now every network including ours has somebody who does this. It's become commentator on the officiating. And I think I all these guys would have paid it if people were doing that to there were officials, but but, you know, clearing that out of the way I think, continuing to pick officiating as a focal topic in the coverage of sports is damaging to sports, and ultimately, not as important as we've made it out to be so, yes, I do think it's our fault to some extent, because I think we spend too much time talking about it. I've said this on. NFL life. You know, I we make a choice right? You can talk about officiating or you can ignore it and brush, it off and treated the game condition complain about it when there's a mistake but I'm in I'm in the Rams locker room in New Orleans after the game and they are going to the Super Bowl. And think about the number of things could be you could affect to write about that day to say failure. The Rams accomplishment, it cetera et cetera. One of the reporters in the locker room. This, this is gonna have to revolutionize replay officiating. Right. It's all anybody's talking about. And I thought to myself kinda tell us, isn't it? If we make the choice in the fans make the choice to focus on the -ficiating at the level that we have. I do think that, that it's an unfortunate mistake, that is not gonna help our enjoyment of our games and to your point. I mean, I think about poor my Carey when he was doing this job for a CBS, he was on, you know, he was seeing the same replays that my heroine see you're someone else would see her. We would see his fans or media members or people who think we know about the game and how it's called and quite often he would come to a different conclusion from the conclusions that other people come up with even other referees who were in the public space, including for example, Mike Pereira. And I think that's telling because we talked about what we never got to that point, where we are, you know, decided rules, exactly the same way he has access to lose replays. He is a professional effort Wesley professional referal, long time and still came to alternate calls from what the rule book might say. What a different ref might say so. Even if the technology is perfect, which is not. Let's victim was perfect. We're still not gonna be able to get to a place where the rules are going to make everyone happy or the calls to make everyone happy. Agreed reflection endeavor is not attainable. The, the Sean Payton rebuttal to that is that doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for it. And I understand that concept when we're talking about, you know what he does for a living what his players do. I get that. But in terms of this, these entertainment product. Now, I it's a gigantic importance to the coaches who coach at the players play it the people in the front office. That's their lives. But there are many more people who have no direct investment in it. Now, I don't I don't I don't say this to, to sort of belittle, the concept of fan of, but as a fan of a sports team, you have an emotional investment, you do not have a direct investment. I mean maybe bet on the game but your your livelihood is not tied into the success of team. Harangue. There are millions more people in the world fit that description, then who fit the former description, and I think the leagues are now listening to the people in the former category because the people that make up their league and have a hoisin their meetings, etc. When they need to there needs to be at least balance, and the needs to be someone in the room saying to the coaches and the players who ranting about bad calls and more replay. We hear you. However, it's just as important if not more so that our audience not be turned on to our game and for doing things that go down that path all gonna end up paying the price for long-term. Sounds like it's a role for you. Listen to be Bill. That's why you're on the talk about it because they don't invite me into the meetings. That means and all that. So, yeah, it's I I'm howling in the howling to win every right? It's a I feel like an old man shouting get off my lawn except I don't know. I feel like I'm arguing favor of fun. And people aren't having it. And that just, just always makes me wonder what we're really trying to do here. I don't know. I'm I'm marching slightly away from your lawn. I'm listening. You might already here. Always welcome on the lawn. Actually it's being mode right now by my fifteen year old. So that's the best. Yeah. It's. It's I mean, I, I, I enjoy talking about it, but. I increasingly frustrated that my, my opinion on this matter. He's disregarded, as insane by so many people when what I'm arguing for is. Let's enjoy watching sports more than, you know, we are at this point. People want to enjoy more of your thoughts and your insight work, and they do that. Oh well, let's see. We did something today today being Monday on checking in with five first round quarterbacks from last year because I was jets last week and the idea to check in with them. So I got some made some calls from people in buffalo and Baltimore. And, and let the jets stock to me about where those quarterback STAN, that's on ESPN dot com now and then later in the week wants something coming out of minicamps dot com, and it'll be on NFL live on Thursday and hosting Friday's our that fun. And so, yeah. Up around considering it's the off season. I'm not I haven't dissipated completely. That's a point shot Melia and say, hey, they, you know, not all of us are have NFL life hosting duties to worry about. They throw me one every now and then, like, not, Mr. Graziano, always a pleasure. Please get back to destroying the replay industrial complex and we'll get back to you later during the awesome. Thank you. For letting me vent. All right. Thanks so much to Dan Graziano. And we're gonna have Ben Lindbergh coming on the show talking about his book, the MVP machine after the break on the Bill Barnaul show. All right, back here on the Bill Barnwell show, I'm still bowl Barnwell, but I have a new gas right now, we've had a couple of former grantland people over the past few weeks. Come on, and talk about their books with both which have an excellent. I am excited to have another former grand contributor contributes for the ringer talking about his book that he wrote with Travis. Saw check the MVP machine. How baseball's new nonconformists are using data to build better players. It is my friend Ben Lindbergh, Ben. How are you? Hey, I'm doing well, it's the grantland connection has went through what a podcast guests for both of us because we. Reading books. One of us is writing. This is your second book and it's excellent. I I'm biased to be fair, but I remember reading moneyball in college, and I read it like on my dorm bed in maybe ninety minutes. Maybe two hours, but then, like, do not get up to go to the bathroom did not do anything else. Check my phone to check my computer, like sat there absolutely desperately interested in read it start to finish and don't have that experience with books very frequently. And I had the same experience reading your book yesterday, which was a rare thing for me and really fascinating to me. Because I'm I'm at least vaguely aware of what's happening in baseball. But there is so much insight on so much detail in to what is happening in. Major league baseball behind behind closed doors and sort of, in the public sphere today that, you know, I've seen hints of that articles, but haven't seen necessarily read about at this length with this level of. Detail. So in in terms of baseball books in the past, I think there's a lot of books that have come out since money, bald and sort of either been positioned or their authors have tried to percent of the such basically moneyball two point. Oh, and I think this is the first book that really reminds me of that really seems like say a significant progression on what's happened over the past fifteen years, and you get you get, you know, you sort of write about money ball early in the book as sort of aid. You know, not a preface, but sort of as a positioning point. And if money ball was about, you know, player acquisition. What is the MVP machine about? Well, it's the case that we were trying to make. And I think you're right. There's been a holiest of moneyball inspired books and books and that moneyball mold. And I wrote one and my Travis such wrote one big database ball about the pirates and a lot of those books are this team, this executive is doing this brilliant thing to find this undervalued talent. And that really has been the. Story of baseball for the past fifteen years, or so it's how do we go? Acquire pre existing talent that's out there. But for whatever reason the market doesn't recognize it. And it's undervalued. And so now I think we've gotten to the point where there's something close to parody among front offices because they're all looking at the game in that way. And you can't go out and get the guy who has the high on base percentage and no one knows it because everyone knows us. So now I think the advantage has shifted, where it's not so much about going out and finding talent that's out there. It's about creating talent or enhancing talent and moneyball didn't have a lot to say on that subject, because I don't think teams were really doing anything different in that area at the time and they'd done for about the century before that. Whereas now I think teams are really making strides in players and coaches and independent instructors in making players better. And so the questions that money 'bout didn't really attempt to answer which is, you know, how did Scott had a bird. Get good. Good at walking, or how did some other guy that Billy being acquired because he had some desirable trait. Where did that desirable, trait come from? And that's what our book is about. Can you create those guys can you make your guys better? Because in moneyball. Billy being explicitly says, you know, the, the guys who go out and trade for their good. They see pitches, they take walks. But I can't teach my own players to do that. And in order to do that, I'd have to get them in diapers is something he says, in the book whereas now I think it's much more possible to teach that kind of create and, and really every sort of Skillet. It seems like talent is more malleable than was previously believed. I mean, this is a book where, you know th this process is certainly going on. But it's been going on for several years now. I mean, was there a point you could go back to the okay this year this season or generally in this timeframe did team sort of get to that point where there was parody and then the shift sort of started happening to develop in and getting more out of the players, they currently have? Yeah. I mean, it's still an ongoing process. I think as we were working on the book even we could see it happening because we would talk to some of these coaches, you know, in the college ranks or in independent facilities had the beginning of the book, and we'd say, oh, wow, this guy seems like he has a break future. Maybe some day he'll work for baseball team. And then by the time we finish the book half of them were already. And it was speaking, you know, how do we keep track of okay? This guy went to work for the twins. And this guy went to work for the Phillies, so it's still happening, but I think it's really within the past five years or so. And I think there have been a few notable examples of players who kind of proved the point that you could turn your career around using some sort of information, and for me, it was Richhill with the Red Sox in late two thousand fifteen who at that point, was thirty five year old pitcher who'd been bouncing around the big leagues and the miners indie bowl for years, and he got a recommendation from Brian Bannister, who is Red Sox. Executive and coach. And he recognized something based on the data that hadn't been available before about hills curve ball. And he told him, hey, you should throw this pitch more. Don't worry about the stab wishing fastball. The old baseball advice throw the pitch that works best for you and hill became one of the best pitchers in baseball kind of out of nowhere, and landed a big contract. And we've seen similar transformations with guys in the middle of their careers. Like JD Martinez, like Justin Turner, their few guys who I think, have brought a lot of attention to this. But really until the last couple of years, I don't know that most teams were making this a priority. Although you did have your early adopters like the Houston Astros who in addition to doing other things, well, have really been at the forefront of development. And so all these things that started kind of outside the game. Or we're player driven or showed up at these hotbeds of baseball instruction outside the game. Now those are getting adopted into the game and by teams but that's really only within the. Couple years. Yeah. Really interesting that you mentioned, Brian Bannister. And he is an ex player his father was a player, I believe someone who was the royals with someone who was Quant friendly to some extent during his career. And then numbers for the Red Sox in an analytics role. You also mentioned that there are spaces, where significant development is happening outside of the sort of traditional, you know, midge league minor league baseball, spectrum, and almost universally, at least in the book, they are described as happening in very strange places drive line, which is the first pitching and now also hitting as well. I guess think-tank maybe might be a way to put it. You know, the process there is happening, according to the book at some point in Tacoma warehouse, where there used to be enemy fights. You went to go see someone in north ridge office park at Amman amino the Yankees pitcher, who went to northeastern, who I'm slightly by stores or. Filled with these graduate, rented a vacant storefront in New York City. I mean these develop processes are happening outside of the game in such sort of strange. You know, a unlikely places perhaps even you mentioned, Dr basically, like a like a, like a Jerry Rick sort of, you know, I it's, it's like it's like a refined develop place or wasn't or, you know, certainly several years ago. I mean, do you think that, that sort of is encouraging players like you know, if you're a player who wants to drastically change what he's doing, like he almost gets more out of it by being in a place. That is so obviously nontraditional that it sort of gets the night at their element. Or do you think it's going to be refined over the years to come? Yeah, I mean, we had to come up with a lot of Senate for garage warehouse office park in the book because it does seem like all these places are situated in those areas. And I think it's in part because there wasn't a whole lot of funding. These weren't really established places. This thinking kind of developed in these areas that were far from the bright lights of the big leagues. And I think there's a reason for that in the past you had to have played baseball to coach baseball players for a major league organism and that was kind of the primary qualification was where did you play? And how did you play and that I think led to stagnation and thinking because you would just have these teachings passed down from generation to generation. This is what I learned as a player and this is what I will teach players. And so, I think all of this new thinking had to spring up in these unlikely locations, and it's kind of a parallel, or, or mirrors, the sabermetrics movement of twenty years or so ago because you had these outsiders, you know, the classic Bill James was a night watchman in a factory, and he was thinking these things about baseball and gradually. It took a while, but those ideas were Dopp pid into the game so that you had all these super metric, outsiders, become insiders. And now I think. The same thing is happening with coaching and with instruction, which traditionally was the province of, you know, high level successful athletes and list to certain extent. But now, I think nontraditional backgrounds are having a say, and so there are a lot of these specifically's where it's kind of no frills, and it's just all business. And it's what's reexamined. What has been taught what see if these teachings actually hold up? And, you know, they have high tech devices in these sort of unassuming locations, but I do think that teams now are making an effort to import all of that, so that it happens in house, so that they don't have to outsource this development to these facilities. So just as we were working on the book, I think eight or nine employees from Dr line baseball, the facility you're talking about we're hired by major league teams in some capacity this past off season. And a lot of teams are kind of building their own drive line style programs, sometimes with help from Dr line, so that the idea is that they don't have to kind of. Hand off their players to someone else or just say goodbye in September, October and say Hello again in February or March and not know what happened in between which is kind of what has happened in the past in baseball players would just disappear over the season. And that's I think the time when they can make the most meaningful improvement. So teams are in players are making the most of that time. Most frequent time when pitchers through ample have Tommy, John surgery tends to be in the months where they're coming back from that winter off cycle possibly helping the risk of injury as well. I mean, do you think that's inevitable where there's, you know, these sort of outside sources drive lines for example, are going to be integrated and implemented into the traditional development model when it comes to being initially ballpark, or working with people who are working for a team or do you think it could be something where if there is conflict, you have a player who not not Trevor Bauer but someone you know, perhaps Trevor Bauer junior or someone like that who is more comfortable working outside of an organization with with an independent thinker with someone who drive to plano, after post to working with the people within the organization does that conflict happening already or to just sort of teams are realizing that they need to get on board with, with these things that are happening. Elsewhere. There has been conflict at times, in say old school organizations that don't embrace the same thinking where someone will go to one of these facilities, and they'll change their swing or they'll learn something about how their pitches work or how they should do drills. And then they'll come back to their organization, and they'll say, we don't do that here and you shouldn't do that here, and then there is kind of a conflict, I think that is getting more rare, just because these ideas are getting more stab wished and they've been proven to work in a lot of cases. There are a lot of success stories out there. So, I think that's happening less, but I think there will still be players who prefer to work with a third party just because you may not necessarily what your employer knowing everything about you, and having all this data on you, if you can go somewhere else, and keep that to yourself and still get the same quality instructions. So I think that's the question will so many of these people be hired by teams that maybe the option to go. Outside won't even be there anymore. But I think as long as it is there will still be a desire to do that. And I think a lot of players may just invest in personal coaches, and personal technology. You know, there's a lot of technology that has kind of driven this movement because so many things about player performance can be quantified now. And once they can be quantified that can be improved but players for the most part still to access these devices have to go to teams have to go to facilities, but we may see baseball players. Follow more of the Gulf model where golf pros will have their own personal coaches have their own track men devices to track, you know, their hits and their mechanics. And I think economically speaking, it makes sense for successful. Baseball players to do that, too. So that may be where we're headed. Even on the agency side, where, you know, if you're Scott Boris and you say, okay we have, you know, the best tools for improving yourself when it comes to. You know, the best cameras or the best, you know, you know, the, the best sort of version of dry, line that's out there. Do you think that's something that might players to different agencies in years to come? Yeah, definitely and that's happening a little bit already. I mean traditionally agents haven't done a whole lot to enhance their players performance on the field. You know, maybe they've taken care of aspects of their life off the field, but I think they've just tried to market their players based on their previous performance instead of trying to enhance that performance, that's kind of been left to the player in to the team, but that may be changing. I mean for one thing you have kind of information, disadvantage, where at this point, it's pretty much impossible for an agent to sell a team on a player because the team knows more about the player and his performance than the agent does. So you're not gonna talk baseball operations department now into signing someone because they know exactly how they're doing him. So I think an agent maybe able to make a difference now by doing some of this enhancement. And we do right, a bit about it. The book in one example, the Bledsoe agency where former pitcher who went to drive line and was into all these ideas killed condom he became an agent, and he sort of set up a mini drive line inside the agency, and with helping guys get better. And then, of course he was hired this test offseason, by the Cincinnati Reds to be pitching coach and they've, perhaps not coincidentally have quite a pitching turn around this year. But that's kind of the danger, you know, he was setting up this sort of system. And then team said, hey, we want that and he was attracted to the idea, because he had previously pitched for the reds and at the time they were kind of old school and didn't have all this information, and he found that frustrating. So he founded appealing to go and bring this information to that team. So I think that's always the problem. You know, it's always tempting to work for a team and make a difference. So there's always the risk that these people outside the game will be tempted to go inside. It seems inevitable. I mean it's just, you know, I think there may be certain people who might end up just just being so fiercely independent that they're gonna stay outside. But it's like the majority of people even thinking back to the people who were, you know, saver, Matrouh shins and, you know, in the first decade of the twenty first century, the vast majority of the people who are doing that with maybe yourself excluded, and a few other people did go work for teams. I mean, look at van grafter BP ten years ago majority of those people are working for teams at this point. So it seems like it's in one way or another inevitable in terms of the former editor of baseball. Replace many people who were poached by teams, which was always a chore, but nice for them. But tough for me. So, yes, I do think that will happen. You know, you'll have some people who have sort of an independent streak or they've set up something so profitable that the incentives just aren't there for them to go inside. Or, you know, maybe they're abrasive in some way or unpredictable. So that teams are wary of employing them. So there will be some exceptions, I think, and also, I think some people feel pretty strongly about being in the public and being able to share their research and share their ideas and help the most players possible as opposed to the players for one organization. So I think that's why some people talk to us for this book, who you'd think on the surface might not even have that much incentive to do that, someone like Brian Bannister, who is employed by the Red Sox and has incentive to protect information, but was someone who talked to us a lot for the book and was very helpful because I think having. Been a player himself who kind of bumped up against, you know, the orthodoxy of baseball and people who were doubting him because he was trying to use data when no one else was doing that. I think he feels an obligation to kind of pay it forward and ten help other players and I think that becomes even more of an ethical imperative possibly as teams make strides in injury prevention because obviously, if you can prevent injuries if you can bring guys back from injuries more quickly. That's a huge competitive advantage and some teams are making some gains in that area. But you feel okay about keeping that information to yourself and knowing that other guys out, there are hurting themselves, and their careers are ending because you're kind of hoarding this information yourself. So I think a lot of people will feel some conflict over that, too. That should lead major league baseball, an entity to start doing more research in the space. Yeah. I do think so. And they have done some. You know, they've done some research and Tommy, John surgery and elbow injuries. And at least tried to get a good record of all the injuries and the recovery time so that there's sort of a baseline to work with. So I do think they've made some efforts in that area. But the teams have probably been more aggressive about that. So I think for the good of the sport and for amateur players, and for the next generation, it probably would behoove major league baseball to be a leader in that area. Machine in a moment, but first guys, they say great offense starts with a great defense and that's especially true. When it comes to the fuel, you put in your car shell v power nitro plus premium gasoline is engineered with four levels of defense against gunk, where corrosion, and friction to help keep your engine running like new, and now you and your car have even more reasons to celebrate with these shell great gas giveaway. It's your chance to win free fuel for year or one of thousands of prizes with a total price value of over a million dollars. 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I think some people certainly if you're baseball fan, you're well aware of his personality Twitter, he can be prickly. Think it's fair to say he is very kind of classic. He is very sort of. I think you Necas maybe the fairest way to put it. But of course, very successful very good at what he does she point out throughout the book. Someone who does. Not have the body of a major league baseball player in many ways. He's several standard deviations below your typical baseball player in terms of let us them. But someone who has worked incredibly hard to cash themselves say mentally baseball pitcher at the same time he is someone who developed under very unique circumstances, father, had no interest in baseball, but had, you know, apply day, sort of scientific method of getting better at pitching, the ended up, you know, randomly being recommended to a long toss practitioner asking that lesson. And then now of course practices long toss regularly in his worms for games today and to keep his arm strong. Do you think Bauer is just so unique and so sort of a product of his environment that it's impossible to imagine ten or fifty or hundred more Trevor hours in Ridgely baseball twenty years from now? Or do you think that's going to be more like the sort of norm? When it comes to players who are thinking for themselves and players who are developing at their own path in their own way. Yeah. Well, he, I think is, is worried that it will be the ladder, that for his own sake that other pitchers will come along and other players. We'll do the same thing he's done and maybe that they will have more natural talent. And that's what it says that he does. And so if they apply his methods, then they will surpass him which, you know, I think we're seeing now some stars guys who are already really good, adopt these ideas and go from good degrades. So it it's not just guys who are kind of on the fringes of the game resurrecting their careers. It's guys who are already excelling, who just want to be even better than that. So I think that is something that will happen. You know he is wired a little differently from most players and from most people for better and for worse is an imperfect poster boy for this movement. In that he does make inflammatory and offensive comments, and he is kind of abrasive with teammates, and has, you know, for various reasons, kind of caused friction wherever he's gone. So there's the question of whether that has hindered or helped his efforts to kind of move player development forward. You know on the one hand, he was around annoying people a lot. And so there's even more resistance that maybe isn't necessary on the other hint. He is very immune to criticism and seems to persistent his practices. No matter how many detractors there are, which perhaps has helped him push things forward, where other people would have been kind of cowed by by the establishment. So I think it's sorta hard to tell. He is a unique character and not always in great ways. But I think that what he has introduced into the game now kind of goes beyond him and has really filtered down to amateurs and two other. Organizations where he was kind of the first major league pitcher to use this new piece of tech called an editor traffic camera, which is sort of the technological star of the book and that it's this idea finish in high-speed affordable camera, or at least affordable by a big league baseball player. And, you know, he used that and paired it with other devices that could measure the spin of his bitches and was able to design pitches, and refine pitches in really a scientific sort of way as opposed to the past where you go by feel and it's trial and error, and someone tells you to try, this gripper that grip. And maybe it works. Maybe it doesn't he sort of set out to design pitches that he decided I wanted to move this way. I want it to behave that way. And using this combination of camera and other measured devices even able to see exactly how it came out of his hand and adjusted subtly to get closer to the movement profile, he wanted, and I think that process has really. Extended beyond Bauer so that many teams are now doing this many pitchers are now doing this. And so you sort of broke the mold and introduced this technology in this process of pitch design into baseball, and it has spread well beyond him, which has helped pitchers, and has also indirectly heard a lot of hitters who are having a harder time hitting pitching now. And so I think that's really dramatically reshaped player development and is sort of changing, what the sport looks like on a league wide level because this current run environment. We're seeing where strike outs are kind of out of control and raking balls or moving more than ever before, and being thrown more than ever before in fastballs, or faster. It's almost as if players are getting so good. That they're potentially breaking baseball here. And MLB may actually have to intervene. If it wants the game to look a little more like it did before. You guys actually update a study that I found really fascinating talking about players are improving know sort of on the whole over the past few years, even though they're having a period. Previously were studies found that they were stagnating in terms reading overall talent level. Can you explain how that process works that was really interesting? It's hard to assess the league talent level over time and people often wrestle with this question. You know, how good would Babe Ruth be today, and that's hard to determine statistically because of course, players are always competing against their peers. But there are ways you can kind of indirectly get to an answer. You know, by looking at say a certain group of players in each year who are within an age range, where you would expect to their own performance to be stable. And so if their performance as a group declines or improves, then that can tell you something about the league's talent level as a whole so using that method, you're able to get a sense of how much better today's players are. Then players decades ago. And as you would expect if you look at the long term trend line it's just up up of players constantly getting better. But there was kind of a low plateau, you know, about fifteen years ago or a little less than that, where it seemed like the improvement, according to that method that had been continuing for decades had just leveled off. And I think, you know, some researchers noticed that speculated that maybe we were kind of coming up against the natural limits. Maybe there wasn't that much more improvement that could be made and yet in the last decade or so, not only has that reversed itself, and the climb has continued, but it's actually been one of the steepest and most rapid claims of any point in baseball history. So just when it looked like baseball players were maybe about as good as they could ever be. They've now started improving at one of the fastest paces ever, and I think there could be multiple reasons for that, you know, partly it's maybe the after-effects of the money ball movement and just. Electing better players. But I think it also has been and will continue to be this player development process, because it really is possible for players to unlock latent talent that in earlier eras, just would've gone, untapped unrecognized. And so I think that's being reflected. Now we're seeing it with late career guys who are kind of rehabilitating themselves, but we're also seeing with this youth youth movement. That sweeping the sport right now where, you know the production from under twenty five year olds is kind of at historic levels, and I don't think that's a coincidence. You endorse the editor trying to camera to one day be possible hall of fame cancer. I don't know if that would make for very interesting exhibit. Well, maybe it would if you could if you could film yourself it could be an interactive and display. But I think there is an element of that, right? Where a lot of this stuff would not have happened without this technology. That's kind of come along lately. I think even if the willingness were there, and maybe it was once you had all these, you know, non traditional people in front offices. I don't think you could have quantified and diagnosed what was going on with players. And in the book, I, try out a lot of this stuff myself, and, you know, with me, of course, it just reveals how much worse I am than actual professional players. But with them, it can diagnose things that in the past, you just couldn't see, you know, even if you were filming yourself with some other kind of camera just trying to eyeball it. You couldn't detect exactly how all of your body parts removing and the force that was being applied at every stage of your swing or your delivery. And so, I think. That that piece of tech, you know, as much as just about anything and you'd have to put pitch and batted ball, tracking technology up there, too. But all that stuff, all the introduction, an influx of that technology, I think is as responsible for all of the stuff we're seeing, as you know, the personnel changes to so sure cameras in the hall of fame. I like it. Mentioned you know that someone could perhaps film themselves and gets measure of their improvement in UN. Like you said, did all this. She went to several places. You had yourself film, the same that they would feel him a minor, independent or major league baseball player who was hoping to improve. I don't want to spoil it too much because it's really entertaining. It's really my favorite part of the book and a lot of ways. But is there one takeaway or one thing you heard that you sort of think about now after the fact more than anything else from what you heard from those multiple camps? It was pretty eye opening. I mean, you know, not in terms of exposing that, I'm not going to be a big leaguer, because that did not come as the prize, but just seeing the depth and the detail and the granularity I mean, I, I went to drive line and I did the motion capture, I had forty seven markers. Stuck over my body and was during a mound. And you know, they kind of turned me into video game and we're able to analyze the phone. Verses. And then I went to other places, and I think the, the most enlightening part of it was the hitting stuff that I experimented with, because that has kind of been lagging behind, you know, pitching and defense. I think have benefited the most from the introduction of analytics, just because pitching, you know, you kind of have the ball on your hand, you can do what you wanna do hitting this, reactive activity. And it's a little harder to study what your opponent is doing and adjust to it. But now you have all these devices. So I tried something called a cave est- that, you know, it's four sensors so you strap something on your hand, your arm, your chest, your pelvis, and then you take some swings and it just tracks exactly how your body is moving and rotating. So it just kind of grass each of those sensors movement over time, so that you can see the sequence in which your body is moving. You can see the power. You can see the speed and it exposes why you're not. Good, essentially, or why you're not as good as you could be in a way that would have been really difficult to diagnose before. And so if you can see that, okay? My sequencing is off your timing off. I can adjust that, you know, it comes with drills that you, can, you know, very focused way work on that specific skill or if it exposes just some physical inadequacy where you can't move in the way that you should want to move. You can then get in the gym and work on that specific body part into drills that are designed to strengthen that, that part of you. So there's almost nothing. I think you know, I've learned throughout this process that can't be made somewhat better. At least even if you're already at the big league level, if you haven't tried any of this before I think it's sort of an inspirational message that was one of the things that made me want to work on this book, is it was kind of intoxicating this ideas that guys who'd been in the big leagues for years could have untapped unsuspected reservoirs of talent. Always assumed that to get to the big leagues into stay there, you had to have just maxed out your natural ability because it's so competitive, you're fighting off thousands of other guys who want that job. And yet it turns out that you can get to that, Nicole of your profession and still have a higher gear to get to which to me is kind of, you know, a nice idea because I think it applies to a lot of us. Even if we don't wanna be big leaguers, we wanna be better at something and some of these principles. And, you know, I d of practice that players have adopted I think are transferable to other areas of life. One thing I do if you wanna get better. We know what you want to get better at if you want to read about Iraq, entertaining development process in baseball, recommended reading the MVP machine Ben do you have a preferred place where people can go out and buy your new book, which I have a sonic. I do not wherever is most convenient for them just to go get it whatever store. Whatever for that. I am fine with that. And I guess, go to the bathroom I in case, you're like Bill and you can't get up until it's over. People want to check out more of the work, you do outside of the book where can people find more of what you do? Oh, my rating is at the ringer, I also do a podcast about baseball at San grass called effectively wild, so you can find me at those places or on Twitter at my name, Ben Lindberg. Thanks bill. All right. Thanks so much to my guest today. Yes, biens. Dan Gazi auto. And the ringers been Lindbergh again. Checkout Ben's book the MVP machine with Travis. Saw chick really enjoyed it highly recommended. I'm honestly biased, but would definitely recommend. You give it a shot. It's really easy fun and lightning read, we're back and we took a few weeks off. We are back on a weekly schedule for the foreseeable future. We back I think later next week. More football stuff to come a lot of discussion to get to, you know, quiet time of the year. I think we may look at some more storms stuff and can out of the sort of digital, you know, week-to-week analysis with much happening. But season previews around the corner July. We're back in the grind when it comes to your in the NFL season. So thanks, listening and more football on the way.

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REShow: Tom Verducci. Hour 1 (05-29-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Tom Verducci. Hour 1 (05-29-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else you podcasts. And now attorney this skill our is the rich. Eisen show live from the rich. Eisen show studio in Los Angeles. Baseball cannot throw. Its hands up and say we're not playing because we couldn't figure out the mind the rich Eisen show today's guests. Mlb Network reporter. Tom Verduci senior NBA writer. For the Athletic David Eldridge Fox. Sports rules analyst. Mike Pereira was from TNT. Snow piercer actor. Michael Malley and now rich is well. Hey one all rich Eisen here and the Los Angeles studios of the Rich Eisen show here on a Friday. And we're we're here once again Hopefully for you to take some time out of the real world and join US and We're we're we're here. I'll be honest with you. Chris. Brockman your across the way to across on say. I'll be honest with you as if I lie when I don't give you that caveat to begin with a look it's it's difficult To come in here and just you know. Turn the page with everything that I saw last night. Everything that this country is going through right now and we. We've been here best. We can every single day for you on YouTube dot com slash richeisenshow Siriusxm and we'll be on NBC coming up at one Eastern. We're here a best we can as thank God. We're all healthy. And we're we're we're doing what we need to do to stay healthy best we. We can't So we've been here for you in pandemic and The world does seem. That's coming apart at the seams and I just wanted to to acknowledge that off the top. And we're going to go down a sports where mole here. I Know Again Jim. Harbaugh was on yesterday and even he when I was just trying to be playful with him talking to him about college football and him doing cartwheels and stuff. He said that everything that was going on in the city of Minneapolis. Minnesota was on his mind and he called horrendous. What happened on the streets of Minneapolis? He's not wrong. And we're all Scratching our heads and genuinely concerned and nervous and worried and wondering and all of that and I feel it too. I just wanted to come off the top and acknowledge that and say that we're here for you over. The next three hours might say something at the top of our two as well just throwing that out there and send my best to everybody. Out there seeking justice and seeking peace eight four four two four riches the number dollar. We've got a lot of time here on this show to take your phone calls today. Sometimes we're jammed with five six guests. We've got four today. Eight four four two four rich. I up as Tom. Verduci of Sports illustrated foxsports. He's quite the hyphen. It also MLB network just wanted to get his Cool-headed thoughts on what's going on with baseball schorr seems particularly difficult to see a season going in short order there. David Aldridge of the athletic will join us and you know we. We haven't had him on since he was all over the last dance and the ten documentary everywhere because he had a front row seat covering all of that for the Washington Post also for ESPN. My longtime colleague. There will be joining us as where where were looking over the steering wheel all the time now to see when the NBA is going to come up with what the NHL is. Come up with what I would love for Major League baseball to come up with. What the Premier League's come up with? What appears La? Liga has come up with in Spain. Now which is a schedule. This is what we're looking for for the return of action in the NBA involved. Where when all of that although we didn't get the wear and went from the NHL. So David Give us to his two cents on that Mike. Pereira our buddy from Fox sports back in the day I had always a lot of great conversations with him when he was the head of NFL refs. The rules changes. That were passed in the NFL that were rejected in the NFL that were tabled in the NFL were withdrawn before vote even took place and the NFL. Virtual owners meeting is they referred to it yesterday. He will make heads or tails of all of that. The concept of manipulating the game clock that we saw the ballot check employees against the jets and then have employed against him by Mike Gabel in the playoffs. That's now gone. There's now a defensive player protection for those returning kicks and most importantly punts automatic replay reviews to include scoring. Plays and turnovers negated by foul. That has now been made permanent. Wasn't any chance on. This greener of being made permanent yesterday was pass interference being around forever as a reviewable play. That's now a one and done. We will never forget. Remember that time. Where the REPS IT IN NEW ORLEANS? And then they made it a penalty. I mean they made it a a reviewable. Couldn't get it right. Yeah what a disaster couldn't get it right and the whole idea of let's get a sky judge in there now didn't wasn't even ups revoke got withdrawn. And then what about the idea of that? Four in fifteen play. We'll get to that a little bit. Mike o'malley is GONNA join us. I mean this guy has got quite the career. He is a well sought after writer and show runner in this town. He's worked with Lebron James on the television project he has he's also in the The new show that we had divvied digs on the other day. There's defeat on the right Jennifer Connelly who is delightful. What human being on the planet indeed and Mike o'malley there in the back of sports fans may remember him as the Boston Bruins sweater wearing rick for ESPN I think it was ESPN DOT com. Very first is way commercials for ESPN DOT COM. I think way back. If I'm not mistaken you look that up when the wreck commercials the Rick. The Rick Wasn't for sportscenter. No no no. I don't think rick the rick was for. Espn the magazine. I literally think each to or some litter. No I literally think this is how long it's been it was for the launch of ESPN's. I ever website which was on the go dot com network. Because I was around when that happened it was ESPN dot go dot com the original website. Yeah why I do this. Espn sports zone was the first one back in like late. Ninety they'll Tufo you remember. You used to call sports phone for your sports scores. Oh sports phone was amazing. I remember the commercial. He was definitely a fifty cent charges on our bill. Thank God one nine seven. Six one three one three. You remember all your sports news instant. Thank you for calling. Sports scores the devils against the. That's exactly yeah final. Score mets five phillies three. Just like you had no idea. I had no idea you wouldn't get any sort of statistics. Runs got in trouble so many calling sports phone. You're on the bill now here. We are on Youtube. I mean seconds phone giving you source. Oh my gosh. This one. Commercial Advantage Emmy graphics on it own commercial I am. Oh yeah well. No the commercial for the Played Boston. Sports fans sitting in his room wearing a Boston. Bruins sweater go nine thousand ninety nine. Laugh out loud funny commercials. I remember. That was three years into sportscenter for me. Your remember that when he was like. Hey what's up my name's Rick Ross? That one we were watching commercials this morning. Espn in other aspect in interesting aspect. The Mike o'malley is he is emeritus. I believe President of a Pony Baseball League here in Los Angeles. Espn DOT com these ads. The dude think about that the first ever ninety nine mean twenty years twenty one years. Wow so good. So that's what's on our show today. That's what we got going on today. And and you know in terms of normalcy. We're just looking for flashes of normalcy in sports. So LALITA says they're coming back on June eighth which is great news. Certainly because it's taking place in one of the worst hotspots that Europe had obviously. There's Italy in Spain so if the the folks in Spain or like let's let's get back you know with no fans. Let's let's go. That's good news. So you're going to have the premier league and you're GonNa have lollygag and you know the French already. Said they're done but not too shabby. I'm glad to see that. And how about this? We can talk to David David about this. We actually spend a real estate with a guy who we could go down a wormhole on the last dance. One last last dance. Let's do with him but also the latest on what is going on in the NBA. And that's coming up in about an hour from now a good old fashioned trade rumor you see this was is it Bradley. Beal s the New York Daily News is saying the Brooklyn Nets said. This last week had internal discussions for him. He is now for the first time. Talked about it. And can you make a trade in a pandemic when you don't even know what what what what year what? League Luli Gear hasn't started yet and there's no yeah come back if they don't come back to contracts told think you'd they do? I think they do count like the whole full year would count by the way. That's one thing that nobody's talking about just yet like what? If baseball does throw his hands up and say sorry everybody. I know you're GonNa you know sort of like you know one of my kids says. I know you're GonNa be mad at me like oh great. I know you're going to be mad at me. I don't want to say because I know you're going to be mad at me. Like baseball would just come to the sportsman's group writ large. Say I know you're going to be pissed at me but we just we're just going to do it. Yeah I just can't do it. Yeah over can't do it. You know but you know. And by the way if they do throw their hands up and say that it won't be before they tar and feather each side as greeting and the ones who blew it up and there you know it won't be collective owning of the arms being thrown up. But what if what if that happens? What if the virus does come back in some? I know this is not not the escape. You're looking for but what if it does actually wipe out a playing season? What if these sports leagues do come back and and have to stop it? Essentially what happens the like a draft order? I know baseball's draft just they announced they're having a twenty twenty draft coming up this this Next month what happens then man. That's why I think a lot of these leagues are are are going forward or going to have to go forward okay and then now also speaking of going forward so the fourth and fifteen rule in the NFL on this a little bit here. I love the idea I absolutely loved. The idea of the on side kick is not what used to anymore. It's now one out of every ten chances. Make the concept of using the onside kick in a manner that we we grew up with it and seeing it being successful. That's gone that's history. Now that the players safety rules have been put in place for kicking off and how many people need to be on certain inside the ball. And you can't run up. To the line of scrimmage you've really got to get a flat-footed start to a ball that as soon as it's kicked is up in the air already fifteen feet away from the human being that starting from a flat footed stance and whoever standing there waiting the arms of balls close to whoever. It's usually wait. Whoever you're trying to avoid getting possession of it's just it stinks. It's like the penny you just leave it there for others. Just you don't need it you don't use it. It's useless so let's come up with this idea that we saw in the AF of. Let's go for it on. Fourth and fifteen problem is is the ability to make that is much greater than the ten percent. I think it's somewhere between twenty and thirty percent. And then you given the fact that any defensive penalty would automatically give a first down to the team. That's attempting it and then you throw in the fact that the defense that's out there on the field it would make sense has just been out there on the field for several minutes at a time because they just got scored on sure there can be a short field or there could be a quick strike. Eighty yarder or something like that but invariably the defense has just been scored on after exerting a lot of energy. Now they're out there on the field against say and offense on a roll like the chiefs and you put all that together and I think teams in the NFL. Well there's also one thing also working against to just the old guard. San Elegant right like Zimmer. Yesterday I don't like it. I'm a traditionalist so it looks like we're going back to the drawing board not on fourth and fifteen but on the on side kick let's tinker with that a little bit to get the odds up from ten percent and to that. I say I I don't like it. I'd rather tinker with the fourth and fifteen concept I'd rather make fourth and seventeen move at that fourth and eighteen. You move a couple yards. Then you mess with the percentage in a way that makes it. Tougher and a defensive penalty doesn't automatically give the team of fresh set of downs. What it would do would give them one more shot at it but with the yardage being applaud now. The unintended consequence there. Let's just game this out Chris for Conversation. Sake you on a Friday. Would you purposefully if you're beaten just yanked somebody down knowing that you don't still give full possession of the ball back but what if it's a spot foul? What if you throw it? Thirty five yards down the field and it's just a full on pass interference. Do you go college football. It's fifteen yards and you try again. Do you go like if it's pass interference than it's now actually for a fourth and five attempt. It's ten yards now. It's just a now. The the odds are even greater. Do you know why they changed it from time. Down to an untimely down so a team with the we doesn't just do this and run off the last few seconds correct as it is an opportunity to just. Here's what you do get the ball and run around and then run out of the end zone and win by one as opposed to three and the only people are pissed tonight to win by two. And a half you know so everybody's always gaming out. What's the unintended consequences? Or W W beatty what would check to because he'll always find. Whatever loophole is driving a patriot? Mack truck through it and then the royal gets changed like it's like did now about using pre snap penalties in your favor to run the clock down. Yeah I like the idea of your. You can't get a first down from it but if there is a defensive penalty you still have to try the fourth down again. You need to complete the play. I understand get bailed out from defensive holding on the other side of the field. But what if it is a full on? I'm going to take my huge game changing wide receiver. Throw it fifty fifty ball who direction right. Throw it in that direction. Because I've got a match up that I know I can exploit that guy pulls on Julio Jones and I got myself a first down and it's a total blatant pass interference and it is a rightful call. That's pass interference and it's forty yards down the field g. Give them one more shot now from that. Forty is a spot foul but you still have to make make another first down to get it. Yeah you can't be bailed out you get the ball way down there because defense did commit a penalties at fourth and funding again fifteen again. You got a complete play unless you're close enough to kick a field goal by that point and you're only down by Phil Goal. So then the unintended consequences defense could do whatever the hell they want to somebody. And then that's the end of that they will the what's it down. So they're still going to have a plight run eventually. You have to play defense and either stop them or they get the right yardage or if they're going down the field like that kind of penalties getting. Enga are we love to figure it out? Because I'm so sick and tired of the onsite get over. The onside kick the onside kick. It's so rare that it works because the kicker kicked it in a manner that the ball popped up and somebody made a great athletic play on the hands team to recover it. Invariably it's just some some guy the ball finds some guy and that person becomes the absolute goat because it hit them in the sheen or it's just some sort of weird ass play. I'd rather who attitude on the packers is the WHO is. I go diving rather see competitive fourth down. Play an offensive play. I'd rather see that. The other coaches in the general managers and the owners apparently did not and they tabled it. Meaning that if there's another owners meeting that by the way is not yet scheduled. It could be brought up so it's ain't happening for this year but Mike Pereira will join us. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GYCO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get quote and see how much you could save. It's GEICO easy visit. Geico DOT com today. That's GEIKO DOT COM G. I. C. O. DOT COM joining us. Now here on the rich Eisen show I love chatting with this man. I love chatting baseball with this guy and I hope I do get to chat actual baseball games and strategy and what's going on Twenty twenty playing season with him. He is from sports illustrated than Fox sports and MLB network the ultimate hyphen. Tom Verduci back. You're on the show. How are you Tom? I and well rich our you. I am doing well Where do things stand right now? Major League baseball best you can tell for the season There's there's a soft deadline coming up In order to have two game season that starts around Fourth of July Weekend Navy to get players and campfire about June thirteen. So I you know I figure about June ninth or tenth. That's one they have to come to agreement to make that possible It's not a really hard deadline rich. You could always have say a sixty game season but a two-game one but this is what we have in front of us right now right now. Both sides are really dug. An enemy just go by the temperature of negotiations right. Now you would say that in agreement is not likely but if you step back from it and you think about what is the cost of no agreement and no baseball and twenty twenty. I think that makes you optimistic or at least me that these two sides will come to the realization that they need one another if the battle of wills don't be no baseball because he dug in but the battle of intellect and compromise negotiation and understanding of how important not just this year is but the next couple of years. Then yes there will be one what best you can tell was the owners offer if you will and I because you know the concept is again if I'm not wrong before before you get to that. The owners think what well the players think what was negotiated in March is what is applicable now and owner. Say that there's now been a change in reality March and we gotta talk about something else here and players think that what is being offered as a second pay cut that also could mimic a salary cap is that a an actual is at an accurate assessment of. What's going on good job? I mean not agreement in March that was put in place. The players are essentially saying no backseats. We this we negotiate an agreement. And we're going to get paid. Based on how many games are played on a pro rated basis of our annual twenty twenty salaries. The owners are saying. Wait a second. We actually have a provision in that agreement that says we will continue to discuss the economics if we have to play an empty ballpark's and obviously now. It looks like that could be probably an entire season with no fans so the economic realities according to the of chains March and the players are saying no it. Hasn't you know we have our agreement that that So that's kind of a sticking point here the players and you saw the quote from Baxter Wednesday night saying we're not taking a second pick But obviously the owners are saying things are a lot different now. You mentioned the salary cap. That was not a formal proposal to the players that was floated the idea that. Hey revenues are so far down will gladly share with the players fifty percent of our revenues. Well Listen Twenty. One of thirty teams worn around in nineteen ninety four when we lost the world series because the owners tried to get a salary cap. They should still no. There's no way that flies. That's a complete non-starter the Union. That was a waste of time. It probably ticked off some people unnecessarily So now they're idea is we will use a sliding pay scale in terms of the cuts that we're GONNA to ask players to take now. I know the players look at that as. Hey you're trying to drive a wedge between the high revenue high income guys and we're GONNA take the largest percentage cut against the so-called you know most players two thirds of players make a million dollars less The rank and file so I don't think that was the purpose here was a divide the players. I think what? Mlb is doing is what they're doing on a club basis. What many businesses are doing? And they're asking the highest salaried employees to take a larger percentage of cut during a pandemic. It wasn't like they came up with this idea themselves. Bits happening across Wall Street. It's happening across mainstreet but the players did not take kindly to that so the players. Now the ball's in their court they got this proposal about a sliding pay scale. They've made their their feelings known that they hate it. They don't like it so they have to come back with something their ideas to come back with saying. Hey how about we play more games And the owners position on this. I BELIEVE. Wait a second. These games still won't have fans in the stands so a hundred games times zero ballpark. Revenue is exactly the same. Some at eighty two games times zero and the other thing is really key here. Rich is that they WANNA play. The players play more games and push the world series say November. I I think that's a nonstarter for the owners because everybody in baseball but general people are worried about a second way right. Well the flu season they want to get the world series done by the end of October. So pushing it to November is really risky and the owners opinion because believe it or not they almost sixty percent of their national TV REVENUE. Just in the postseason this year. That's essentially a billion dollar pot. That's out there if the postseason is played the completion so they don't WanNa risk that so. I think the idea of playing more games extending the season is is not A. That's not going to solve this. I don't think well and then there's you know When when they come up with a proposal that says the higher paid guys will take the cuts and the lower paid guys won't out. Are They not think that that won't be viewed by the Union is something that puts the pressure on the highest? Paid guys to do something to make sure. The lower paid guys. Don't look at them adversely. How how how could that possibly be forwarded without the knowledge of would be taken and received I get it? I totally get it. The response was almost predictable but again this is what pains are doing cla basis. It's the same week. The nationals that the dodgers did that asking employees to take they cuts based on a sliding pay scale. So my question happening as the players now have found a unified voice. Listen we know that they didn't really do well in the last? Cbs right at least economically. They did well with some quality of life issues in terms of off days in the scheduling things like that economically. They didn't do well I thought during the whole Houston Astros signed stealing scandal and that seems like ages ago that that kind of split through the union right. There was a players recalling calling out other players. That doesn't happen too often but now I think they have found a common voice at. It's essentially on being acetate. What they see as a second pay. Cut Man. Okay Tom. Verduci sports illustrated Fox sports in Mlb Network sports illustrated. I think I said that too. I can't keep up with you. So so when it comes down to it What's the with the Scott? Boris stuff. Now. What Trevor? Bauer throughout their. What what what. What was Eve's obviously referring to? I guess the email that the Associated Press obtained Basically bore saying the owners aren't talking about losing money in a playing season. They're talking about not having the money to pay off the debt that Major League Baseball allowed them to use to Jack. Up The price of their team or the valuation of their team and your salaries would be viewed as a bailout. This is what the math. What what about that? First of all Scott has and should have tremendous influence in this game based on his track record. How long he's been in the game the clientele that he has to do sign. What a billion dollars worth of contracts. This past off season He clearly has the ear of Tony. Clark He has three players who were on the Union's executive for no other agent has more than one so he does have an outside influence as far as an agent in the Union Matters go so I don't see that necessarily as a negative thing and again. I think he's been the one sort of rallying players You know he came out with his email. I didn't see much from Tony Clark. But you heard Scott Boras loud and clear now as you said. He's saying the owners problem listened. These people took out loans to renovate their stadiums to build ballpark villages and Even a purchase teams. And that's their mistake. Well that's not entirely true mistake. If there is a mistake is what every business it's finding now it's called the global pandemic everybody if you ran a restaurant and you took out a loan to renovate restaurant are you gonNA blame the pandemic because you're businesses down. This is really unprecedented times. You know emotionally and especially economically And I think what he needs to do. Scott all union in general is. Where is the common ground? Basically I think players and owners need to invest in one another for the good of the sport going forward not to say who's right or WHO's wrong in May of Twenty Twenty. But what does this sport look like rich if there's no baseball this year if you as a fan or watching say the NFL the NBA Nhl Tennis Golf? You name it baseball from Japan Korea soccer across the world. And there's no baseball because baseball players and owners could not agree on economics not safety protocol economic splitting up the money during a pandemic. What do you think that does for the game going forward? What does it for free agency this off season what to do for next year in terms of negotiating towards the new? Cba which expires at the end of next year. What does it do for clubs who are trying to sell sponsorship and advertising after Essentially Seventeenth and Nineteen Months Baseball? Going dark and people being out of out of the habit of following baseball. I mean that is a leak landscape of you're talking about baseball. Being the only sport that is not out there at least trying to find a way to put their sport out in front of the public and again I'm GONNA use my restaurant analogy again. Your favorite restaurant closes for a year long renovation. Guess what you get into the habit of finding another restaurant right. I mean that's a scary thing for restaurants to be down for that long and a baseball does not give people the option of following the game for a year and a half. I'm afraid a lot of people will have moved on. See I I'll ask you the same question. I asked our colleague. Espn JEFF Passan. When he was on yesterday it sure feels this is. Cbs negotiation that that because one is coming up next year that there's a lot of territory being staked out for the the mother lode conversation next year that appears to now be frontloaded now at the worst possible time. Would you agree with that? I do and and I think I don't know if this is possible. I mean I hate to even propose ideas that would quote unquote help solve a very complex. Yes labor dispute. But you know go back to Nine hundred eighty one one. Two months player strike and part of the settlement was that they agreed to extend the by year. Essentially for the same reason you just brought up because things are so toxic right now. It's going to be hard to get to a new shoes overall agreement so just kind of put it off another year so I agree that you can't think about these negotiations without thinking about the next. Cba being right around the corner. So here's a little solve. I've got to start Tom. Because you know again there may be an iron rich Eisen. There's an I in Verdoux ci but we're team players. Were trying to figure this out. Doesn't baseball have already agreed with the players and vice versa on a schedule where it would be or or at least what it would look like That they could Ford so we could all discuss that while. They're doing this under that cover in the same way. I'm assuming the H. L. is doing with its players right now. Potentially that they've they've come up with. Here's what it will look like when we return wherever that may be whenever that may be but we're talking about that and saying hey hockey's trying they might be having similar conversations with their their players now about safety protocols and things like that doesn't base what to doesn't baseball have something like that to come out and say. Hey while we're figuring this out here. Baseball fans is what it would look like. How cool will this be when the Yankees take on the Red Sox nineteen million times because they're in close proximity with each other? You know what I mean like. Isn't there something like that that. That's that's a top drawer for for them. The bust out yeah. It's a good idea. I think the problem is that schedule is probably not something that they feel completely to. At this point I mean they do have framework of schedule. Eighty two games. When I understand. They'll play two home series against teams in their division and one home and home series against the like division of the other league interleague game so that really reduces travel which I think is a great idea I love the idea that it really reinforces the value of winning your division and short season. Eighty two games. You play most of your games and your division so if you finished first place that's awesome earned it And the postseason will be different. You'll get seven teams each league five the first round. You'll have welcome series. Three Games all in one ballpark Best out of three and said of the one game knockout. So those things are in place. I just don't think they've down the schedule enough to say here. It is public. You know here's what you can look forward to But I do think it's a good idea is anything they can give fans about hope of a baseball season and what it looks like the has to be a good thing. You know these updates on negotiations which daily basis are not good. I haven't heard anything positive coming out of these talks on a daily basis. I mean my spirit's perked up even hearing you describe that Tom I'll be honest with you. I'm like okay so that sounds good. So that would be the American League in the National League east face one another and likewise central and West right and then And then we'll just have to deal with the Toronto of it all in the in the American league in Nationally East about going from Canada to America which I imagine is going to be something of an issue to deal with but I mean that's a bridge to cross that that is an issue right now that there is obviously across the border so my solution would be that they trained at their spring training state and even Florida and the Blue Jays play their home games at Tropicana field. I mean you can do that. You can share. The ballpark will be playing the raise. A lot anyway So there might be one or two places where the BALLPARK's would have to be you know played at a neutral or share situation But I think the idea of playing essentially reinforcing your regional rivalries. Is it really cool idea? And maybe that's there's something in that going forward as well so I guess last one for you is percentage wise it for me You know because again right now. It seems pretty dark. There's not much dawn. You did. Give a soft deadlines in that usually does spur action and I guess just to reiterate you think both sides are aware of the fallout. That would happen if they throw their arms over economic problems not public and health problems. Right so yeah. That's why I'm optimistic. And that's why I would say you know you want. A percentage say two thirds sixty six percent. Just imagine you know. Took kids standing on a cliff. I'm saying would it feel like if we jumped off this cliff? You know it feels like if you players and owners of you jump up this clip and what the repercussions are so. That's a means the strongest motivator to get a deal done and again eighty two games. Sounds right you know. It's virtually the half of a season but I don't have a sixty game season and again the whole key you need a viable postseason to have the billion dollar Pale of the national TV money. That's why I think there has to be some sort of bonuses attacks. The player pay because there is a second wave corona virus that wipes out the post-season went out of billion dollars. Tv money You know that's that's really significant when it comes to the ability to pay the players but yeah I I think listen you remember. You probably do. The eighty one sees that split season. They came back. And you could get a playoff spot in the second half of the season and that was only what forty something games or something like that. Forty to fifty games is that ideal. Nope but I still think you can have forty five to fifty game season and go into a postseason But I think eighty two is now. This is the deadline. That's in front of us Again I'm optimistic. That baseball finds a way to get the sport on the field me to Tom. Thanks for the time I trust everybody in. Your world is happy and healthy. I I hope yeah. Hopefully I get to see it a ballpark in July or somewhere. After that I guess again. I'm for sure Press access would be restricted right. I mean like that's that at least that had even agreed to protocols I mean like is basically. Ask Rich and they'd be happy to have anybody who wants to come out and cover the game listening to have empty ballpark's with plenty of seats available in terms of social distancing for media members. I think what you see is one broadcast crew doing the game in other words. You know road team wouldn't be sending their camera operators and even announcers out there just to keep those numbers down but otherwise. Yeah anybody who wants to come out to the game. I'm sure they're welcome to come out. Cover it you're not gonNA get clubhouse access bright but you can get a good seat in stance goes good. Seats are available. Thanks for the call. Tom Really appreciate it. You be well. We'll chat soon hopefully got out of the return of this four. That's Tom Verduci. Geico wants to give back to folks because they see everything that you're sharing online there see or savage dance moves. Diy Haircut fails you're into LIP SYNC STAR NOW. Geico's turn news to share with you to with the Geiko gift back fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for new customers and because GEICO's committed for the long haul the fifteen percent credit last your full policy term please visit GEICO DOT com slash. Give back for Info and eligibility again GEIKO DOT com slash. Give back. You know my first thought when I heard hey. Toronto playing in Tampa I mean that's a significant disadvantage for them. And I'm thinking fans says like there's there's really no I guess the only home field advantage would be. It's your clubhouse like as right but just showing up to the Games in uniform and playing a weren't in the protocols though is that there's no visiting clubhouse anymore that both clubhouses are used by the home team to keep the guys separate right and visiting players get dressed and show up to the ballpark dressed like a little lost. The you show up dressed or like what I did covering Spring training one year for. Espn when I would show up. And I I I. I showed up in full suits my first spring training and the producer and photographer. The camera man like who was there and done many many grapefruit leagues were saying enemy. What are you doing it? They laugh they laughed at me. And I'm like well. I'm here to work and they're like we. You've got one fifteen second on camera for the two and a half minute piece that we're doing on the Texas Rangers here today and Port Charlotte Laura words ninety five degrees and humidity at the same time if it so you show up shorts and a shirt and then you just change into your dress shirt and jacket. You don't even need to bring your pants for your suit will shoot you from the belly up. That's the way it works. I'm like well. Why don't you tell me that before? He left the hotel and then but I would. I would go into like some men's room and I change. They're not saying that. I guess that Alex Bregman went up to change in a men's room but doing it the hotel showing up on the bus and showing up two hours before the game. I mean if that's what you have to do I'll repeat it again. I'm going to be a broken record until this thing actually gets done and it's going to be two weeks of you. Heard what June thirteenth off. Deadline and soft deadlines become hard deadlines. That's when deals get done because the posturing has just begun and the Players Association response is going to be a similar middle finger back. That's what I expect. Because if they viewed the first proposal from the owners as such. It's going to be the exact same thing back. It's what you said in terms of like if you're an owner and you're saying the reason why the financial landscape is changed because we know now. Okay we know now that there's no fans and the language in the contract in March that we made that allows us to revisit this issue now even though you could say that we assumed there was no fans that and we sign that made that agreement about prorated salaries in March. It's apparently language in there says about good faith negotiation if things change force majeure pandemic epidemic. Whatever you want to say is in these contracts so they can come back and say let's talk some more but the first thing they say is that sliding scale that day no would be viewed by an already jittery distrustful union. And I'm not saying that. The unions to be distrusted. The Union is distrustful of the owners. Which is once again. I mean how. I think we're GONNA see this more and more and more certainly is the NFL season approaches. How CRUCIAL WAS IT for? I think the NFL and I know players were not happy about it. That that collective bargaining agreement deal got done when it did right before the pandemic was announced as such right then in there. If you remember they made it was right. Was it the two weeks before the newly gear began or ten days before the new league year began the new league year again on that Wednesday. Eight the New Year League began. I believe on the thirteenth. If I'm not mistaken the new league year began on the Wednesday in which rudy go bear was announced to be testing positive for coronavirus and the NBA shutdown. I do believe that. The Dow the Players Association voted on on that collective bargaining agreement about a week before if they had said no and then everything that the NFL would be going through right now about play or no play a schedule or no schedule draft or no draft. That Wednesday was the eleventh virtual Wednesday. The eleventh okay. Yeah Rudy Gobert correct and that was the newly year all of the conversation we're having right now would be under the construct of well. The players rejected the collective bargaining agreement and this year would be the last before they have to talk about the whole thing and the conversation about playing this season would have everything on the table. That baseball has on it. Including the level of distrust between both sides the whole idea of pushing the virtual off-season another two weeks asking players to do X Y and Z. Any any sort would be. So that's the thing I I'm trying to keep in mind with baseball. Is that their collective bargaining agreement. Would BE UP AFTER NEXT SEASON. Just like what the NFL's without to go through or would have the level of trust. That's already maybe not even there as as you know. Almost a large enough amount of players didn't even vote on it and that was the margin of difference potentially if all of them voted. No it was a close call. Yeah that's Sunday. The fifteenth was when it it was voted voted in really to the newly gear hit and then they voted on it or you. I don't know about that right now. I don't know vote happened over the weekend rudy. Gobert was the eleventh the fifteenth. It was agreed that maybe the new league year was the eighteenth at the. Nfl started figure it was late. You're right right because then that following week is when all the states started right stay at home and then the march madness got cancelled right. That's right that's what it was it. Doesn't it feel like years ago when I it's it's only a little more than two months ago? That's why VERDUCI is talking about. We were DUDE LATE. January getting set to go to the Super Bowl. That was this year and I know late. January getting set to go to the Super Bowl. Conversations lit up our phone lines about the cheating scandal for the Astros. I completely forgot about it. The Astros cheating scandal. Jim Crane waiting for the red sox. And the mealy-mouth way that Jose Altuve was handling everything. Yeah and then. The main news being leaked on twitter and was wearing a wire. Why do you not take shirt? All of that happened this year of she. That's crazy. Yeah and I heard about this. I haven't seen it yet. Have you heard about this? What IS THE WASHINGTON? Nationals unveiled their championship rings. Today and my new favorite brewery I dunno where it departed. Souls it in New Jersey or something like I think I read that trash can bankers the new victory beer to keep the celebration going. You could see. The old breakout Astros. Callers right there. That's Jersey City Brewery Jersey City brewery. I don't know if it isn't Jersey. Or they just call Jersey City brewery. I Dunno trash can banger. Ip a so feels like it didn't even happen at died completely you know? What do we do next week at some point? What happened when Boston? Here's what we should do. Let's let's let's use this moment here on Sirius. Xm AND YOUTUBE DOT COM slash richeisenshow in everybody in the in the four five four four or five fours in the warm. All you want to chime in too you put it there. Tj Jefferson on monitor it. I'll put you to work. We should do a segment. It happened this year by the way. We're only five months into the they're still seven months left. I know it happened this year. And it'd be like that's right happen this year. This is a crazy year. Tom Brady leaves. The Patriots feels like mahomes fourth quarter comeback. It might as well be in black and white with John. My thing over. It's in the vault. The Super Bowl one dude. That was three and a half months ago you know. I was texting this with TJ. I was trying to think about the last normal day I remembered and it was the Saturday when we got to Miami. Well you also have the birth for child. I'd be out of body experience. Stand like was doing that. Last game was crazy and leaving. We were watching the sixers. Play the Lakers and Lebron Past Koby for third on the all-time scoring list and then Kobe or Kobe today. Kobe died. And we're talking about to that happened. It feels like the last normal day where something insane didn't happen like every week that Sarah did. Yeah Saturday bef- When we got to Miami for the Super Bowl. Kobe tweeted out a congressionally. Tweeted out congratulating Ron Right and then and then I got to the airport the next day you already. They're already there. We were might. We had dinner and then news hit up. Everybody's phone lit up. We were about to board. That felt like the last Tony Gonzalez. Who was about to board that flight from? La TO MIAMI. He was on his phone like staring at it. Glazer was there. Everybody was just like walking around like a total zombies on the flight. We were just everybody waiting for Wi fi to turn on so we can get some sort of update to refute what was happening or all off. You're not wrong. That happened that that's like every year. I mean that was. Yeah pretty much. The End. By the way Joe Borough lighting up college football and lighting up here. You know that happened this year. That feels that feels like nineteen years ago. I know we're kind of doing the segment right now. All of a sudden but had on it. Because there's I'm sure stuff happening all different. S- manners of sports in January and February and early March that feels like it was nineteen million years ago because of how life has changed and now it feels again just a bring the whole first. Our full circle just feels like where you know falling apart at the seams as a country in a world spinning off its axis and man. That's again why we need sports more than ever. So seeing Lollygag say we'll give it a try in Spain and in the UK saying you know we'll give it a try with the Premier League and hockey starting this week with announcement of here's what our schedule would look like when and where we figure it out and then the NBA with David. Aldridge our time putting together the pieces of what looks like a an All Walt Disney world in Orlando spot. Although they're opening up right to the general public yes reservations. Dad Vegas soon open announcement getting your nails from Casino. The next couple of weeks deals have Jew. They've been offering to fly people. They're for free. So what I've heard I haven't seen that but I wouldn't wouldn't surprise me because that's the other spot for the NBA to go. I've got some great deals on hotels. You guys endre again. I mean look you packages you just go. Packages the land in life. You just disinfect. The hell out of these hotels and then the buses and make everybody sign whoever works on any of those spots that they must quarantine. There's enough wings of hotel. You could put a team up heartbeat. Some of the ones I've seen all the workers are getting tested. They're going to have temperature like thermo. So anyone over one hundred degrees won't be allowed in this in the casino like they've got all these measures these emails that I've been getting Don Boyer wondering how you deal with the chips a I've seen. Yeah gloves put on the gloves unless you again. Ah chips virtual gloves or you just I with that. I can't wait to go back to Vegas but I just. I don't know how it's GonNa work. How are you going to sit at a poker table? Touching a slot machine not happen touch that a not happening. I wipe it down. I don't know man. Hey man it's crazy. Let's do that next week. We'll have a segmented happen this year. Pretty good could just do this day in history. It happened this year. Let's recall something that happened today. Joe boral happened. This Joe Borough happened this. It feels like Joe Boroughs. Nineteen heisman trophy winners. Removed all the to stuff like the workout and the combine seems like it was a year ago. Combine happened it happened. Dude seems a year ago. And here's a crazy thing and just goodell in his basement. Seems like it was del in his basement. Scene likes was a month ago. Teams years it was years ago. Look up the draft. Was the twenty five twenty six twenty seven April not. It's like it could be the we may be among. I feel I still feel twenty third. I still feel like I'm hosting the draft from that first night going watched all the great rich not one room. I know you're looking. You're looking at all these these games. They're starting Australia. Nfl Network re airing you know Seattle and Green Bay right now. I think it was from this year. Yeah there's Matla. Florist strolling. The sideline the playoff rewind super bowl does seem like it was a forever ago. He really happened this year. Not that crazy. Oh by the way did you hear Matt Leflore said On a local radio up there in Wisconsin. No we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. David Aldridge of the athletic wins the NBA going to make the announcement the NHL did and what we're hoping baseball's going to do and then yeah one more last dance care if right. Don't you think yeah? Yeah it's DA's exit interview. We have not at eight. We've we've done a ton of great exit. Yes Mike Pereira Way teague here where he's joining us from. He told me you could join us. This is the spot where you could join us at that time. Top of the final hour spot. He's in a spot where I had to respond to him by text. Like thank you for saying you'll do it. But how'd you reception and he's like I was there just today. It's great it's very strong signal. And he's back there again it gala gala and Mike o'malley will be joining us on this program. I've known him for a very long time. We'll have a great sports and pop culture conversation with the man on. Tnt Snow piercer picked up for another season. We're going to be picked up for another hour on. Nbc Next Hey this Nfl Hall of Famer. Ray Lewis I'm excited to announce the launch of my new podcast every day greatness. Ray Lewis podcasts. I'll be talking with friends. Family members old teammates athletes celebrities moguls. And guess what oppy talking to you. Listen this is all in the search for everyday greatness and so I'm asking you to come along with me on this ride. Download new episodes of everyday greatness. 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The Producer and Director of Super Bowl LIV: Richie Zyontz and Rich Russo of Fox Sports

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The Producer and Director of Super Bowl LIV: Richie Zyontz and Rich Russo of Fox Sports

"Gentlemen Gentlemen got everybody. This is Richard. I welcome the sports media. PODCAST producers Patrick Antonetti to guests. This week This is the third take for Mesa. Let's hope I get it. Correct on. Take Three Richie. Science is the the producer for Fox sports. NFL coverage he is the lead producer on the job Troy Aikman Erin Andrews etc team and he will be producing his six super bowl on February third as the lead game producer which is has been in the business for a long time. So He's done other responsibilities that super bowls but this is the sixth number six for him. As the lead game producer rich Russo is the lead. NFL Director for Fox sports this will be the fourth super bowl rich. Russo has directed these two guys who've been in the business for a long time have won a ton of awards and I'm excited about this conversation. Because because they're going to give us some insight into what it takes to direct and produce a Super Bowl Ritchie and rich. Welcome to the sports media. podcast thank you good to be here with you. All Right I apologize. That was three takes for me but this but let's hope I do a better job on on the question part of this interview. I'm GonNa Start with you Richard Science because I know how excited you are about doing this. podcast what happens slept for days but I think ready I appreciate that. What Richie what keeps you up at night about Super Bowl Sunday the unexpected? You can prepare as much as you can and and think you have things handled but something comes your way and it's you know you just hope your instincts and those around us instincts handle it handle. Well you know the game is the game. I think once the game starts here. Relax you settle into what you've always done. It's the it's the leadup it's it's You wake up and I always feel a sense of nervous and energy and excitement and I get a little less so once I get to. The stadium might get into the truck with a home away from home and the second comfortable surrounding in. You're surrounded by the people you you've work with and you're comfortable with and and you know your excitement builds that the game gets closer. You know the Super Bowl you have all the preliminary activities that have to be covered and and those are the things that we normally don't have to deal with and those are probably the things that I i. I worry about a little bit more and then once the game starts again and again you just hope your instincts help you when when things happen that you don't expect what about you know I would echo. What what Richie said about the unexpected? I mean I'd be lying if I said this is just another football game We are fortunate to do. You know the big games every Sunday and Thursday night and now he said the playoffs absolutely up to it but obviously with all the hype. You know the two weeks leading up to this Obviously the enormity of it Is is certainly huge. I think what Richie said is true. I think the hype leading up to it. Once the game starts you have to treat it like a football game. I'll be honest with you when the teams come down the tunnel I think. There's a certain Adrenalin for all of us. And we really want everything obviously go smoothly and we do the Intros we do the anthem. And all the activities that occur between six and six thirty and then once the ball is kicked. You can't really think about the hundred twenty million people that are watching. You just have to treat it like a football game in exactly where Richie said. We have to use our instincts out like we treat it like a game like any other any other Sunday or Thursday are Ritchie. I'm going to start with you here. You guys When I say you guys like the director and producer the real key production people replay replay producer etc.? Usually go down to the Super Bowl. Usually the Sunday I I hear or maybe Monday morning of Super Bowl Week. So let's start with. Let's start with whatever day you land in Miami as specific as you can. Can you take me through a enrich rousseau. You can pop in here at anytime you want as well but Richard. Can you take me through sort of what happens. Day to day for your group in terms of what you're doing every day to prepare for kickoff on Sunday well when I land in Miami it'll be the same urges I have when I land in any city. My first thing is where am I having lunch so when I get to Miami the first place. I'm going to look forward to Cuban place where I can get some O'Donnell's compel and some tried. Plantations contains so that's number one and that doesn't change from small games too big games then. I'll probably head out to the stadium just to get just to see what's going on touch base with people You know it's not. It's not a day that we have anything going on officially but it's just kind of settling get to the trucks just just look around figure where our truck is because that's not the easiest thing on the Super Bowl it's A. It's a huge. It's a huge community of television trucks. And then you know the work doesn't really start. We have Tuesday morning. Is the final broadcast meeting for the Super Bowl. They got us into a big room. And it's television. It's radio it's NFL. People its operations people at security people and it's a it's a big imposing room. You know the big usually square set up where you know. People are filling filling up the walls around the room and they go over. You know they go over everything they go over the whole week and they things that we we already talked about and then specifically we hone in on procedures procedures for Sunday and at what televisions needs are when things happen happen and how they happen and who's involved and who's doing this and who's doing that and that's again run by. NFL broadcasting and all the rights holders are there and and So that's Tuesday. That's that's the first official thing that we have to do all right Richard. So you WANNA pick up Wednesday. What happens once day and then and you guys can go back and forth during the week? Yes sure I mean. I mean Ritchie right on on Monday you know like you said. We'll go out to the stadium. I mean we'll also We look at a lot of Kansas City in San Francisco Games as well so like on Monday for the room. We'll continue some of the prep work from the from the week The a week prior on Monday And what I will do is I will put some final touches on what are called camera. Simon's and camera responsibilities for for these teams and basically we come up with different cameras for all different situations. Whether it's two receivers three hundred acres. I four receivers all the situations with the red zone short yardage goal line reaction type type cameras and I come up. I put put the final touches on that On Monday and like Richie said Tuesday's basically you know a big day with the league. We also you also will be at the stadium and we'll sit down and our truck on Tuesday and we'll go through what's called our monitor wall and we'll just make sure we'll sit down and we'll make sure that we're comfortable with all the added equipment with all the cameras with all the added. UVS machines That are in front of us and there were comfortable with with the location of that and that will that will certainly take some time Tuesday. We'll also do a little bit of a walk-through if there are any last minute potential camera changes or any questions questions Within within the stadium And then you know Wednesday we basically visit with one team. We go To practice in meetings with one team and guide Richie We will Wednesday and Thursday are the two days that we that we visit the teams so Wednesday is Kansas City chiefs day. So the entire the entire broadcast crew Troy Wakeman Joe Buck Erin Andrews. Chris Myers usually a few guys from the pre-game show We will go to Kansas. City's he's practice. Which is at Miami Dolphins Facility? Davey Florida probably about forty five minutes from for Miami Beach where we're staying and we'll watch practice practice and then we will get in cars and go back to the chiefs hotel and sit down with Some players there's an coaches and have production meetings and that will probably go to practice is at one thirty so We'll probably get done with them about six o'clock clock you know. So we'll meet with Andy Reid. Steve Spagnolo the defensive coordinator. Patrick Mahomes Travis Kelsey Tired Matthew You know we select a few players that That that Troy Is Interested in speaking with and you know the meetings are usually conducted by Troy Royal. He talks to he asks most of the questions. Joe and the others jump in But it's usually a very informal type session and it's It's very helpful and then Thursday Thursday we do the same with the forty niners will will go visit them. They're practicing at the University of Miami and watch their practice and then we'll go back to their hotel how and we'll talk to Kyle Shanahan or the defensive coordinator George Salad Jimmy Garoppolo. We'll talk to I have have to remember who. We're talking to Joe Staley veteran lineman. WHO's been there for a long time? It's his sixth coach and he's finally you know he had one super bowl opportunity now. This is the second we'll talk to him and deform the defensive linemen who You know used to play with the chiefs and now he's in the Super Bowl with the forty niners so Wednesday and Thursday days he's with teams and those are two of the more fun days of the week. All Right Richard. So what happens Friday and Saturday. Well well also Thursday. I'll just add Thursday Thursday morning. What I'll do was all have a a big camera meeting with all the camera? Operators all the EVS operators and spend about ninety minutes on going through the assignment. The Camera Simon Plan that we have for the game Obviously some some things can can change based on our meetings based on you know talks with with with Joe Troy Joe Ritchie and the announcers based on our interviews. But I'll have a big meeting on Thursday prior to Prior to when we go visit visit team on Friday is really a big rehearsal. Day We have a high school team. That will will come Come Tom this year. It's going to be the snow stoneman. Douglas High School from Park. When I that's GonNa come there about forty forty minutes or so From the stadium and what we do is we do a full rehearsal a rehearsal from the team introductions to the national anthem Demi Levato will will. We'll be there. You know Rehearsing the anthem. She'll be there live. we'll go through the anthem. America beautiful will run through the coin. Toss we'll run through do all the events that occur from you know from six to six thirty and then what we'll do is they'll spend about an hour to an hour and fifteen hour and a half just running some place and what that is really for some of the additional cameras and additional equipment that we have and they'll just run some sideline plays go run. Some you know some two receivers three receivers run some goal line plays. We'll just basically taking a a pretty much a look at some of the additional cameras is that we have and it's a lot of fun for them but we do get you know we do get a lot out of it. And that's that's really a long day. I mean they'll probably get there roughly ten to ten thirty already and they may be there till you know the six thirty seven or so so it's full of full rehearsal. Day is what what Fridays and and then Saturday Saturday for us. We try actually not to go to the stadium To be on to be perfectly honest with you we we try to not go unless there's something that we need to go For if there's any fires to be put out or something you know that that makes us want to go need to need to go there we have our production meeting at three o'clock. Richie think it is. Well I think in the past on Saturday Years ago ago when we first started doing them we used to go out to the stadium. 'CAUSE IT teams would have walked through and they get to see the stadium We would go to that and just turned out. It was more hassle than it was worth it so we stopped on Saturdays. What we try to do is is is meet with the game officials We've done it in the past. We're trying to work it out. This year we meet with the river on we would meet with the referee. In this case it'll be bills innovation. Rich and a few of his officials would come over to sit down with us in a room and just talk things through which is good facetime you know. We talked about officiating so much benefits is is one of the best guys certainly for for us to deal with And and just talk about situations and Mike Pereira. That's where he's a big part. Kevin Dean Blandino for Fox. They'll both be room and we'll maybe talk through some situations. Get clarity on a few things you know things we talk about. But maybe haven't had the opportunity you to sit across from them and and and actually hear their side of things so that's very helpful session. I hope it happens this year. Like Roussel said we'll have our production meeting which on the normal Sunday would be at six o'clock We'll get it out of the way at four and that way everyone gets gets gets it done early everybody can go out and relax dinner Not Have the meeting stretch into the into the evening. It's it's usually about. Maybe an hour at that meeting will will. Will you know the executives for Fox will be there to production crew. It's a big crew. Probably be about thirty people in room A large part of the meeting as we look at the elements that might Mike might show up on. TV graphics. A little tape pieces that might show up and You know maybe. Just talk about storylines and just you know things that We WanNA and make sure we touch on. Don't Miss Have we tried to get through that. Not The you know beat to death but it is a super bowl so we'll probably take a little more time then. We would at a production meeting October November and Richard One thing what Ritchie were saying about the the officials. It is 'cause normally they'll come in normally before game you know they'll come in two two and a half hours before the game really touch base with us you know and maybe that's just for five minutes having the opportunity to spend some time with them on on on. Saturdays is always good and even I was talking about the pre game. You know Activities even things like the coin toss I can actually have conversations with the reference. Profess to how we're GONNA actually block the coin toss now. He's actually going to be there on Friday. They will be there. But it's always good just in case. There are any questions to go through that as well as well as Richie that she said just to go through the rules again. Pi's just any questions anybody any announcers anybody might have. Yeah that's that's that's that's actually. I didn't know that that's interesting Nia Sunday rich rich science What time would you get to the production truck? What time would you leave your hotel to get to the game site that is usually dictated by what the security people tell us They like to get us there early. I'M GONNA guess with a kickoff kickoff at six forty and all the pre game show things I imagine that being the truck by noon which is probably you know a few hours earlier than than the normal the game and that's strictly just to get settled in and and a lot of times when we leave For these types of events is dictated. What by what you know our security folks suggested same for you in terms of timing on that same thing? I mean. We'll go together when we get there. You know for me my first real thing is. I'll have another camera meeting so in addition to my big Thursday meaning. I'll have another. Maybe our camera meeting to go through again schedule to go through against certain assignments and to go through storylines storylines that have developed through the week. things that troy maybe looking at Things that we want to focus on and I'll translate that to all the camera operators in that time and then we'll go through a specific schedule as is to you know which cameras need to be on what time and what their specific purposes In leading and leading up to it. Because I I will say this Richard. I will tell you this that you know. Every every person in our in the broadcast in the team is such an integral part of what we I do and I really believe that. All the men and women take such great pride it can be all the camera operators that can be all evs operators it can be people in audio and video. I think they all have a sense. You know there's a real sense of excitement and they all want to do the you know the best possible job they can can do. And I. I think You know that's that that that's really important. I think that sometimes gets lost because you know it could be it can be an evs operator who all of a sudden catches a definitive play definitive. Look of a play. That gets to Richie that we put it on the air you know and I and they all feel that way they really do they all feel that. It's it's a big moment. It's not really just a big moment for us. Obviously it is now but it's everybody all the men and women that are working in whatever capacity they are during the course during the course of that Sunday and really the course the buildup up to that up to the game game and we have a you know I think any any broadcast crew you talk to. Who does super bowls in? And they'll rave about their technical crew and and rightfully so we've we're particularly close with our crew. A lot of these guys have been with us for twenty years plus and And you know we. We really couldn't do it out. They make us look good. We completely appreciate what what they do. Do and It's comforting because I think we put so much pressure on ourselves and the only way the only way you can release that pressure relieve yourself. Shelf of that pressure is realizing that you're not doing it by yourself. Everybody everybody no matter what their responsibility is for the game. Feel the same any pressure to perform at their best. And it's a team and if when everybody is pulling in the same direction the product is so much better all right. Let's take a break from our conversation and talk about indeed dot Com. When you start your hiring process you may have questions? Will you find good applicants to choose from. What about education and experience grants? And how will you know you've made the right. 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What for you is Sunday like in terms of just last minute checks as you lead up to kick off you you know? Just touching base with announcers Just making sure that you know in their preparation. Maybe there's some things they've come up with to keep my eye on Checking checking with the sideline reporters as they progress through their morning and afternoon about you know. They're the ones who are really gathering the last minute information and they're the ones who You know I I. I'd like to kind of find out what's on their radar. Just kind of have a little checklist for them You know I get to the trucks. I lay out my my. You know my little papers interesting stuff in front of me. I tape them down to the console. So you know I've got the roster's there I've got You know storylines there. I've got sideline reporters storylines there. It's like a little white tape on on a console as reminders and that's a comforting thing you know you get there that's your routine you set that out you sit down and then and you have a lot of time with really nothing to do which is good too and you just get to talk and unwind and and just thinking you know the game is the the clock is ticking and you just kind of get a little more anxious but you're there you there and that's the important thing is you. You're in the spot where you work at your home away from home and you know you're surrounded surrounded by people you work with every day for many many years and it's like it's comforting are Ritchie. Let me stick with you here These this is this is something I want to ask you. It's very interesting thing to me. you're well aware both you enrich. Obviously you're well aware In Two thousand thirteen February twenty thirteen there was a blackout A at the Super Bowl Power failure at the New Orleans superdome that caused about if I remember a half hour show of delay delay that that was the CBS broadcast in terms of. If you're thinking about you know how do you practice for the worst contingencies as probably right up there so obviously there are some some things that could be a lot worse but you know blackout at the Super Bowl is like something like a holy shit moment. How do we have we prepare for this? Some curious in terms of as best you can without giving up any kind of security issues like what's the preparation for worse case contingencies power outage outage blackout. Something really horribly. Going bad in the crowd. How do you guys approach that a your position? Well for one thing We'd discuss it ahead of time. We have we have bosses. Who are very contingency happy? They they plan and think about out all these types of things to the point of Russo and Russo. I actually have. I guess body doubles if one of us should suddenly have some sort of medical medical emergency. We have backups in place that will step in and do the game so our bosses do plan for things in that situation and I really felt for what. CBS had to go through You can plan for anything and then and then you know the shit hits the fan you know. It's like You know it's like the military you can have all the battle plans you want and the first bullets were fired. Everything goes out the window but communication nation is the most important thing and that's what Fox will have a plan in place communication flow so that we are not Unaware of what's going. God I think without being there without knowing all the details I think the NFL probably should've had a spokesperson come on TV. And and give some Kinda update and not leave the broadcast Partner flailing for for information and I think that's part of the failure back then but I don't WanNa miss speak because I wasn't there so when something like that happens. You don't really know how you'RE GONNA react. But you have to have a communication plan and you have to give whatever information you can give. And and hopefully. That's that's what that's what. We're preparing for it again when that when the shit hits the fan you just you just never know Richard Shaw of Talk to enough directors your contemporaries whether at CBS or NBC Etcetera Cetera. ESPN About how teams can specifically dictate your direction. Your guidelines to camera operators raiders. You know if the team is really really fast. That's going to change his tally Directa game and I'm wondering at least from your initial research. How do how will the chiefs and how will the niners specifically impact the broadcast when it comes to your direction? Well I'll tell you this I mean we have seen in your one hundred percent correct about the pace of play and have some teams play And that's really the first thing that that we do look at because some teams will get to the line nine very quickly and it will affect how we approach each protect potential play whether it's replay or live You know what we've I've seen and sometimes these teams will get into a little bit of a hurry. Hurry up but they tend to hurry up with tonight. Hurry up excuse me so they tend to huddle. You know I think everybody I think I can speak for You know the CBS guys. And Jim Furyk off Mike Arnold and Freddie and DRUID NBC. Do with these games. I think they'll tell you that we love teams that actually huddle up because it because different ethnic taste that were all kind of going at Especially when team is in a hurry up it's just continuous. But when a team huddles you can kinda take breath and you feel like you can get the right pictures we can get the right replays on. We don't have to necessarily rush things so I think that's that's the first and foremost and there are specifics within You know when in these two teams that will talk about whether it storylines for example. You know last week with the niners The wide receivers are very very good blockers. So it's important Jordan for all the cameraman to stay with their receivers. And you know we have stories Ritchie's looking at stories you know with with troy myself and we know to show show that when we know that those potentially can be you know can be shown from replace. Maybe it's George kiddle you know. He's a great run blocker that type of thing so these are all These are all specifics. That as part of the ice. Oh plan or thought of or sort out of prior to you know to the game. Richie Obviously the officiating. NFL has been a massive story in twenty twenty nineteen twenty twenty. It's probably going to probably be a massive story forever basically Given the speed of the game the physicality of the game. How do you At the moment how do you plan to incorporate your rules officials and you have I think probably the person who's the The Best of you know. You're just pie. Mike Pereira as the pioneer of all this stuff so everything sort of floats down from Mike Pereira. How do you plan to incorporate whatever kind of rules officials you want into the broadcast? I don't want to assume this but I know at super bowls passed rules. Officials have been right behind the lead. Broadcasters a right to the side of them what's your sort of thought processes to how you want to inform the public if there are plays of in consequence when it comes to officiating we've gotten so sophisticated with The use of Mike Pereira. I don't say that any kind of you know self flagellating Gilady Way. I you know we. We are able to integrate seamlessly now. And that's usually because Joe Buck does I you know when we first started having rules analysts from the studio and then even you know it tended to go more from the producer to. Let's bring him in. But now when needed and Joe is so so great hidden we all have the feeling of one might chime in. Joel does lead to him. As if he's the third man in the booth. And and it's it's very seamless and we don't want to really use them just to question you know the ball hit the ground or not. I mean we have is just as well as he can but maybe for the you know the the more contextual aspects of a call and And Mike is just so so damn good at it. You know In a way you hope hope that you don't have the all you don't have to hear from my very often. I mean I think we'd all like really clean cleanly officiated game where There's no controversy at all but again we have the ability Behind the scenes. Mike actually has the ability to communicate was with the announcer's booth without going on the air So it's really a very seamless operation and And Mike is just the best at it and he just to be. Where will he be during the game? Richie he's right in the booth. You always has been okay. Is Dean Blandino there. As well or just prayer Dean Blandino and Dino will be on site but I'm not quite sure exactly what his role will be. I don't imagine he'll have any role on a roll during the game. All right. Let's take a break from our conversation to talk about sleep number. The New Year's upon us we're in twenty twenty and the Super Bowl's coming up and one of the things that everybody does at the beginning of every New Year is figure out what resolutions that they want to conquer. During that year they probably the biggest one is going to be a healthier lifestyle getting shape some kind of fitness. 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Sort of how much they want to be in in on air game broadcasters ear ear like Jim Rick told me he will probably have far more dialogue and interaction with Tracy Wolfson. Then he will will Tony Romo and gymnasts nats the only people generally speaking Romo enhances ear. IFP OUR OUR JIM. Roope cough may be occasionally Mike Arnold. They try to limit a minute where the game. Broadcasters are really only hearing one person so for your crew out I'll take you richer because usually a lot of times. This is sort of a producer decision. how who who is in contact with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman During a game who's in touch with Erin Andrews. Probably Chris Myers Christina Gina. Pink whoever's the sideline person during how does your crew work in terms of the interaction during the game with the on air people. Well I guess that would be me. I've got Obviously a key that I hit that goes right into the had set of Joe in Troy and I I same thing for Aaron and Chris Myers Christine. I have speakers so they can talk to me. You know when they have to alert me to something. I have speakers that that's how I hear them And and so it's a constant. It's a constant dialogue and it's just like juggling many different sources You know troy an iron constant in contact the about replays. What's coming and a lot of times? He'll suggest he wants to see this. And then I might suggest this. You know I'll sell him on things things and he'll sell me on things and a lot of times he'll lead and sometimes I'll lead an and we try to you know it's amazing that communication how quickly it is We're talking about plays before they're even over in terms of replacing which says I'm already formulating in my mind. What I want to see? And then you know replays. I've got a great tape crew and for a super bowl I'll have some production help Just take you know keeping an eye on extra things and the communication is shorthanded handed. It's quick and It's it's it's pretty amazing if you've never seen an action before and then You know with Joe we're always talking about what's coming next accident making sure nothing surprises them whether it's graphics or or tape elements or promotional things we have to do. It's always letting them both know what's coming. What's what's coming? And it's It's quite a process Richard. Rousseau one of the things that has always interest to Super Bowl viewers is how the director decides to show what he or she shows when it comes to the crowd when it comes to sort of the atmospheric rick part of of the Super Bowl. I've always said no one loves No one loves Find someone who loves. NFL owners as much much as NFL. Game directors do no offense but that that is that is my line there. But how do you determine that Dole rich like during the game like do you. Have you obviously get ahead of time like if there are very famous people in the crowd and where they might be sitting. That's pretty standard for sports productions but is it a feel thing like you know one of the teams something unbelievable and you you you think yourself are. Let's see what's going on in the owner's box or let's see what's going on on the sideline. How do you determine like Kana the atmospheric part of the Super Bowl? I think it's a it's a total field thing it it should not be. It should never be formulaic Personally personally for me. I mean I like to stay on the field and show the players and the reactions on the sidelines You know more so that to me the most important thing Sure occasionally we will show an owner or maybe some specific crowd If if it pertains pains if it if it makes sense so like before the Super Bowl we will get you know a list of some of the alumni Or the owners. Sit and to be honest with you. I I personally liked the game two to play out and not go to those shots right away to me if you start going to those pictures too much coach. They're not impactful their impactful. When maybe you see them a couple of times a couple of times there and maybe when it's later in the game I think once you start showing knowing you know the the celebs are the owners especially early? It's like you just WanNa let the game about the players on the field. It's about the game. We have so many cameras where able to to pick up all these emotional shots emotional pictures that that I don't I would not want those other shots to take away from these pictures that we get week in and week week out but sure there are times when you know. The owner is important. CELEB- or crowd you know I don't. I don't enriching. I say this all the time with crowd out. I don't like crowd shots where people know. They're on camera and they're mugging to the camera that to me doesn't do anything if I'm GONNA show crowd. I want the crowd shots be authentic and I want them to mean something Not where kids are just yelling at each other drinking beer and yeah I I. Just that's just not for me and my taste. I'd rather stay on on the field and just because you're doing that you potentially could be missing some type of reaction which is really what the viewer wants to see. I mean because ultimately were there to serve the viewer and what's constantly in my mind is thinking what's the most important thing for the viewer at that time You know to show show as far as the stories and and you know Richard. We're talking about you. Know what the announcers I mean for me. The biggest thing is really for I think for any directors the ability to listen and to react. And Richie does like. He said he'd he does. You know the most of the talking to the announcers and I can get in there once in a while obviously But it's more it's most important for me in any director to to listen to listen to Joe and troy where they're going. Listen to Richie where he wants to take us. as well And that's really that's really the most important thing but there's no. There's no formula formula to crowd. I in my my mind. It's really a feel thing to more for you guys. That's appreciate that answer. It's it's really interesting. I have not asked many directors about that. Richie one one of the things that in talking to producers over the years and you probably share this philosophy too is like obviously they want the broadcast to be perfect but what really has to be perfect. It is the the the plays of the game that matter that the transcendent plays and in a super bowl. The plays that like Wolf stand the course of history history. Lynn Swann's over the shoulder. Catch you know Mike. Jones's play like the the the most important play of the super bowl has to be covered as with as many angles in as many ways as perfectly as possible for the host broadcaster. Do you And so that's my lead up to this question when you're in the truck reggie enrich again and you can weigh in here as well like when there is a play of consequence like do you. Do you know how important that moment is to get right or you working being on sort of instinct and muscle memory that you can't sort of think about the importance of it and you're just in the moment I'm trying to get at like do people in your position sort of instinctively know like Holy Shit like this is the play the game and we got a nail this in the in the minute and a half that we have. I think it's instinct really really you know you get so caught up in doing the broadcast that sometimes you don't even recognize that this play will be the key play And I can think because I can think of two examples I mean clearly wants to play happens. You knew the significance of it. But when he li- manning breaks loose from almost being sacked fact and you know hit David tyree. It was a lot going on that play and at first you realize how did he make that catch approach right and then there's more to it you know there's so many components to a big play that you have to make sure that you've actually covered everything. How the the hell did he like it loose? I mean how did he not get sick. How did how did Mike carry the referee not blow the play dead So I think that I I think that and I think Julian Edelman the Super Bowl. We just did. Houston you know. We were lucky we he made this amazing catch. And you know the first angle we had was that's the best angle and that has partially locked partially instinct partially You know the help you get from tape operators we see it. We probably had five good looks at it and we were fortunate that the first one was the best one And came up quick. So I don't think you try to Again put more stress and realize Oh my God that it came as tied up. And it's still you know it's under two minutes and they're driving. It's like you just you just follow a game and just let your adrenaline and Instincts Mesh together. And hopefully you make the right decisions and I will tell you Richard like going along those lines. I will tell the camera operator we. You don't realize it at times but these are indelible images that can last a lifetime. We take for granted especially when you get to a super bowl. We take for granted you no the pictures and the shots and and making sure we get all the definitive looks and angles but these are images that you see forever and these are the these are the moments and I tell them. I'm you should not take this for granted. These pictures that were getting because it's pretty special and it is about instincts it is about timing is about pacing But it it's pretty special when you can get get those moments for sure last one from me and I appreciate your time today. This is really. I think it'd be really interesting for people one of the things I noticed. Start with your itchy. One of the things. I noticed After the game I did Embedded with the CBS cribs the Patriots chiefs game in December was There were certain people who were in the production truck that literally could not talk to me. After the broadcast their mine was an head was spinning to the point where they just needed to sort of debrief perhaps for hours particularly this Guy Ryan Galvin a replay producer A.. Who has to look at twenty three monitors just basically I mean Nice enough guy but he really just could not talk he could he had to get away from it and then we talk the next day? Jim Rick Off Your Position Ritchie could might as well been a guest on the tonight show could not talk more about the broadcast totally cool with that. What about you rich? I'll ask you to rich like after the broadcast are you are you. Are you writing like high. And you WanNa you WanNa talk to your group you WanNa relive it or are you someone one who's like I gotta get away from this intensity At least for a little bit just given what we've been through I tend to WanNa like decompress a little bit but I'm by no means of my life comatose. I don't get that That's an interesting reaction Probably somewhere in the middle I'm perfectly fine perfectly normal I don't have any issues talking about the game. I also don't have any issues. Just kinda getting in a car and heading heading off into the sunset. So no I find that The game ends and you feel you know usually content but I don't have a problem decompression impression. Oh Yeah by the way point Ryan Galvin. He's not I mean he was of Greek. I just listen I gotta I don't know what the Heck I'm saying. Give me a little hig. I'M GONNA decompress. And then we'll definitely Will definitely chat. What about you rich again For people who don't know Richard so sitting in a chair for three and a half four hours staring at multiple multiple monitors having multiple conversations with camera operators. I mean you know. There's so much stuff going through your brain that Oh you got process in this short amount of time. What is it like for you? After the fact what he what do you WanNa do wants to super bowl ends. I mean yeah you want to decompress a little bit but I can certainly talk about the game I have. I have no problem You know talking about the you know how we thought it went During the course during the course of the game you you know what happens sometimes and I'll always go back and we'll always go back and watch the game obviously any game that we do And I never think that we leave with a perfect telecast. There's always these things that we can do better but sure we'll go back and you know I can certainly talk to whoever About specifics of broadcast no no question about it. Because sure is that those three and a half hours or you know you're you're going on a minute it's continuous and like what you were saying earlier. It's all about you know your instincts etc But at the same time it's it's a lot of fun what we do and we're very fortunate to be in this position and I do have to say that so I will say that one thing I would just add. Is that when a super bowl is over. It's a little different. It's it's I didn't need to be made to be flipping flipping before but I think there's a after super bowl is a real sense of relief. There's definitely a sense of relief. And then usually the first reaction reaction I have is a just a sense of appreciation for the crew You knowing that everybody feels the same way. I tend to find myself really being appreciative. It just you know trying to seek some people out down down in our trucks and just say thank you. You know So there's definitely a little bit of emotion and after after a game like that You know regular season maybe a little different after super bowl. You just want to say thank you a lot of people. I would agree with that because like we said earlier are they all take such great pride and there's pressure on everybody that they feel so you know that's that's a really big important part of what we all do rich. What number Super Bowl is this for you? Rich lead directing but what number overall this is actually working in any capacity my fifteenth fifteenth. Okay and your first one was we would. CBS At that time. CBS broadcast Associaton. Zions was associate director. Okay and Richie Science. How many for you in total not just lead producing this would be when you combine? CBS and Fox thirteen. I believe there. Wow how look at you. Yeah you like the thing. Is You know. Yeah we've seen what we've seen it all because we've been through every level you know we started. We started At has production assistants. My first super bowl was In Tampa when the raiders in the Redskins Rousseau's wasn't Pasadena with the giants. And the broncos. So we've been through every level of it and we you know we kinda. We've he kind of we kind of know the drill and what what it's like and that is important being at these games because she's completely right you know just being a part of it and knowing the week that leads up to it. Whatever role? You're in you know just seeing the rehearsals because you know for somebody getting there for the first time it potentially could be overwhelming Wyoming. But the fact that you're we've been through a lot of these I think really helps in whatever capacity. We're talking about absolutely Richie Zion's Mentioned just before all the Super Bowl's he's been part of But this will be his six super bowl as the lead game producer. Rich Rich Russo will be directing his fourth super bowl. Both of these gentlemen work for Fox sports and during the year they are the lead production or the key production leaders for the Fox's eight team which I think everybody listening here knows is Joe Buck trae. C'mon Erin Andrews Ritchie and rich. I'm glad we finally got a chance to do this. this stuff is just really really interesting to me. And I think it's interesting to probably more people than you realize because you have jobs jobs that are just really really unique in this world. I appreciate the time very much and I wish nothing but a a contingency fraud contingency free broadcast week. Thank thank you very much. Thanks Sportsman your podcast. Thank you are back in the Studio Mike Thanks to Ritchie Zion's enrich Russo Fox. Sports for what I think is really really interesting stuff again these Yeah they're the equivalent of the top of the profession. It whatever your profession is they're they're they're the producer and director of the Super Bowl. You don't get those positions it's at Fox unless you're essentially sort of the best of the best these companies so I appreciate their time if you like these kind of conversations the podcast before future John. 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The Love of the (Basketball) Game

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31:41 min | 2 years ago

The Love of the (Basketball) Game

"This podcast may have explicit content. And also has this implicit request? If you follow me on Twitter, why not follow the gist at slate gist. It's Monday November twelfth two thousand eighteen from slates the gist. I'm Mike Pasqua when asked about an altered tape of Jim Acosta, and the intern that the White House press secretary had tweeted out White House adviser, Kellyanne Conway these words to say to Chris Wallace of FOX. Peter to make it look pardon. Oh, but that's not alter that sped up. They do it all the time in sports to see if there's actually a first down or touchdown. One altered means changed and sped up means change to appear faster. Sped up is altered to let us talk about. How often they really do use? The speed it up feature in sports. Sure. Who could remember this game changing sequence from a few years back in the NFL? Russell Wilson keeps grows on the road. Did he come up? Touchstones way was that a legal catch? Let's go back and watch it on the video. You know, that is that is sped up. Double speed. I gotta say it almost makes it harder to discern. If the receivers hands we're actually under maybe if we slowed it down because I think we usually slow it down. Oh, no, I'm I'm told hold on. I'm told we have an angle from four times speed. Well, that tells us almost nothing I do not know why we are going for these sped up replay after years of these slow motion replay. Okay. I'm told the referee is now have a ruling. Hit the ground before. I cannot believe that call. I think that is a terrible call. Let's get Mike Pereira in here. Mike, please. Slowly, explain to me what the referee was thinking. All right. That is it. I'm out a loss. I find this confusing and frankly misleading and what does that I'm being told that I have had my hard pass revoked from covering future games. Great job NFL. Now, the two minute warning is upon us. Let us pause to honor our veterans with this during. The show today feel about aggressive and through Gress Democrats should be progressive. Lots of progress. I say I endorse progress, but I for the last couple of weeks there has been a captivating beautiful sprawling documentary on ESPN it about everything basketball from my new shit to the greatest plays to explanations of iconic moments to the unearthing things of findings that you never even thought to look for Dan, chlorides produced the documentary called basketball, a love story, and he dropped by to discuss it. Slate listeners we need your help. I'm Charles duhig author of the power of habit, and I'm working on a new show about how to solve the problems of life both big and small, and that's where you come in. For first couple of shows were looking for someone who's facing a big tough decision. Perhaps you're wondering if you should take new job or get a divorce or maybe you're trying to decide if you should run for mayor. It could be any kind of conundrum, but we want to hear. We're also looking for someone who's wondering how to be funny, maybe you're giving toasted in upcoming wedding. Or you recently didn't open mic night in your jokes felt totally flat. Or maybe you're already running for mayor and you need to deliver a Zinger in the debate. Send us an Email at how to at slate dot com. That's each WTO at sleet dot com. Please include a phone number where we can contact you. And thank you very much. We can't wait to solve your problems. Basketball is my favorite sport. You know, the way they dribble up and down the court, but it's not the dribble. It's it's west unsettles outlet passes and its allies Iverson's crossover, and it's peach baskets, and it's Diana to Rossi's release. And it is in fact in the imagining of Dan chlorides, a love story basketball. A love story is essentially what Ken burns did for baseball. Dan, chloride is doing for basketball. But I think in a much better and less stodgy way. It's on ESPN, Dan clauses here, Dan, you shaking your head. You don't like the comparatively. Thank you know. I don't like the comparison. I liked Ken burns a lot. But as the exact opposite. And that's what I set out to do. I mean, I five years ago when I started this is this is not chronological, right? Not linear. It doesn't pretend to be a history. It's not a series of mini biographies on individuals or events. It sixty two short stories even folk stories each one which covers the entire gamut of the game from NBA ABA Olympics international women politics race business is a love story because each one reflects the complicated nature of love. It's about joy and wondering embrace, and it's about loss and disappointment and even betrayal nothing to do. With burns a series on baseball the opposite. Well, this is what I thought when upon watching it at the end of each you get a picture, you get through the lens of one man, a lover of the game a picture of the sport. And I think the picture of the sport, in fact, reflects the sport because we could put burns aside, but nine innings and black and white films and Seppi it tones and kind of receive knowledge, and this was supposed to be the cannon. And I thought it was flawed and it didn't take into a camp E DS and a whole bunch of other things, but yours, you know, in a basketball game is it really a forty eight minute games or just a series of four minute chunks between time outs. And that's what it is. And also basketball is not so structured and hidebound as a sport like baseball, and it embraces the creativity and the nuance. And the fact that the sport has allowed itself to zig and zag because there's no really top down definition of what is right? Right in basketball versus what works in basketball. I get the impression from your documentary. I think I get a it's a good referendum and a true referendum through your eyes on the sport of basketball. I think that's true. I think one thing about basketball that has never changed is that it's very simple game. Yeah. There's a bowl in a basket and your job is to devise ways to make easier baskets or to stop people from making baskets that has never changed. No matter what rules put in no matter. What innovation no matter? What stunning athleticism? No matter what you can ask the question, which I do in the film, one of my stories on a genius, gene. You believe that certain players are Russia rejoice in they are born with a genius, gene. Or they develop the skill. But that the simplicity of the game has changed or nor has the complexity. So I would say the doctor, Jack, Ramsay and Riley. They're probably geniuses and in a conventional definition. I mean, they see a scheme, and they execute the scheme, and it's they see something no one's ever seen, and as you detail Bill Russell zone kind of genius Tom about Alan Iverson. I think well, he's a genius in terms of his actions. And he understands his actions he understands his physicality, and yet I don't think most people who've seen him interviewed or maybe have gotten the caricature of him with think of him as a genius. He has what I learned which is a new when you're a kid in the park. Remember, remember, you had friends that they were terrible in school. Yeah. But man with a smart players like what that was something you're born with right? Yes. Most of these people that I interviewed very much, including Iverson as imperfect as all of us, certainly as imperfect is I am his understanding of the game. He's on a home of the level. Yes. Now his flaws in his game which were significant gotten his way. But. I don't know about genius. But I know he was an immensely mentally mentally educated basketball player, and I do think because so many of his specific skills looked like an explosion of raw talent or raw athleticism. We tend to discount the the mental acuity that goes into it. And and, but but I think we tend to do that a lot. And I think there's an element of of racialism in that also. But I I have foreseen school signature moves where guys talk about their hands, hips, is knees mind and been signature moves you it to that. So I on the crossover that was a combination of his absolute, creativity, creativity and expression of the mind isn't yet. Yeah. No. And there he is breaking down the defender, right? And and then not giving a shit. Yeah. Not giving shin. There's a lot of ballet in there. And so if we call balancing genius, why not I've asked one of my point that's one of my points and Ivan at the end of the films classic because like before each interview the end I had everyone hold a ball. No matter where we went in the country to do what you want spin in hold it kissing, you know, smile, and it really works. The last three and a half minutes in and credits and Iverson is the next last guy we go to and he's wearing on, you know, military bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah. Right. And he says gray goes man to Shikha way. Heavy basket. Tell me about tell me if I'm right that so many of the of the interviews with these iconic guys I saw the seeds of that in your thirty for thirty winning time. And what you got out of Reggie Miller, which might not be hard. He's an extrovert. But it was the best series of interviews man on a camera guy in a hotel room or a nice backdrop wearing a suit being absolutely transported to his playing days. Do we see that in this document? Oh, absolutely. And I think that people really open up. I mean, the revelations in this film from one hundred sixty six people are stunning and many of them are humorous, many of them are hot breaking awful lot of tender. I mean, but I mean, you know, people don't remember that the Olympic team was amateurs they were net supposed to be paid. I got Charlie Scott and spent a Heywood talking about sixty eight Olympics getting fifteen thousand cash from a news think accompany, everyone a team called the Dita's, you know, where my sneakers, and they hung the company and it kinda. Yes. You know, other than that. I mean, you know, they did a film on HBO about Korean right? Yeah. And the big, you know, battle against Houston nine hundred sixty eight and film is a film career. But when I interview Elvin Hayes who who's the cougar center, Houston, astrodome, down L sender. That's right. Yeah. That was the rivalry number one team in the country versus number two team. Hayes had beaten had broken the UCLA street dominating Alcindor early now in the rematch Alcindor Beecham. This is not in the in the film that Kareem did on himself Elvin Hayes reveals because I said, what did you what are you in Korean ever talk about after that? We've never spoken never spoken since nineteen sixty eight and we've been in the same locker room competed against each other. We've been on the same all star team. He says my movie he says, he says he. He's never spoken to me. So I have never spoken to him. And one of my going to say anyway have a good game. I don't want to fix. That's awesome. So much stuff. Like, yeah. So here's the one thing. I give the NBA, especially. Yeah. Not so much college. So I give the NBA so much credit for keeping up with the site Geist of America so much more than the other sports. Do you think it's inevitable with the sport of basketball and ask because there were times when the NBA wasn't on the cutting edge, which is not inevitable at all leadership. It's absolutely or ship. You know, Larry O'Brien was very sophisticated individual. But he he didn't know much about basketball and shoot certainly didn't know anything about mocking. He may have thought he had, you know, but he didn't. And he was a good man and his general counsel was David Stern a very tough leader. Right. But absolutely brilliant. He and when he took over when he was running things even in the late seventies. Before it became the official Commissioner eighty three. That's when the NBA was in the balls of his ass. I mean, very very much drug problems being accused of having too many blacks in the league, low TV ratings over exposure on television, Madison Avenue at shutdown. No one wanted to having to do with it. So people simplify things. Oh, well, you did it because bird and magic. No. And that's not ended a film goes way deeper than that. No. You did because you had a concerted creative. New message to Madison Avenue that Rick welts helped you sell that you cut down the air dates you cut down. How many times you're on TV union take any shift anyone this guy's playing if he's black? We don't care. Right. And and and then you got lucky and you have you got bird and magic. But, but you know to me luck is pot a life. But if you. You gotta use it. They would be leaders would know what to do with it. This is one thing that I think about basketball love the sport. Is there something that is there is a demerits? Is it something that gives you pause that the exemplars of this sport? We love pretty much only called from the top, you know, zero point one percent of the population in terms of this one physical attribute height that in less. You are so off the charts. You don't really on? And that is unlike other sports, you don't have a chance to be great. They're exceptions. We call tiny Archibald tiny six feet tall. Yeah. No, another very good question. And it's true are just talking about my son. You know, he's five ten Columbia. And you know, that's that's an issue. You IB league is tough now. But having said that I made a scene called little big men in the movie what it means to be a little man what? Are the challenges? How do you overcome it and that evil because I was interested? I asked almost every God I interviewed tell me about the paint. So and they tell me about the paint. That's how that evolved. So that story is about tiny Cousy all in the film. Lenny Wilkins, Chris poll. I version Steve Nash about Calvin Murphy about that issue Calvin Murphy says I didn't know I was showing till I read about thirty seven game in Cali Niagara, right? Yes. And in the hall of fame goes to Niagara. It's in the film grows. Up a Connecticut is funny. It's another revelation. He's the national baton twirling champion. I love stuff like that. And so he's being recruited so Niagara promises him if you come to hear what he ended up. Niagara fall- will get you gigs. Twirling the baton halftime of the Buffalo Bills games. And that's what they did. And I got the footage. Oh my God. It's funny. It's funny. What you think will be an inducement he goes to Niagara because of the baton and and Bill Russell refuses a girl in every hotel room. Yeah. You gotta know your audience. I got to know your audience, but but the little big men, it's an issue. You should hear what these guys say. I mean, and you know, Phil Ford is I practice at North Carolina. Roy Williams was the assistant to dean, and and they have to do the mile in less than six minutes and fill for struggling, and he had I slide to the finish line on concrete and ROY Williams says well whenever taken him out of the game. Yeah. So good. So who wasn't in the film who might not be the guy that we would say, well, of course, you'd want him in the film is on mount Rushmore, but not an obscure. Well, I'll tell you. Yeah. It was disappointing that I couldn't get and because I love him to death. And I have a lot about him in the film ton of footage people talking about them. But I all my God. I'm a giant monster nobly fan, you know, and and is agent in Chicago, and they were very nice, and I couldn't get them. And and I'll tell you why I want him for so much. I mean, I've been on the Knicks dot com ele when I say to friends they should have got nobly and be we're looking to you talking about give me a break. But what hit me about you only? Go back to images when Argentina beach the US in two thousand and four Olympics, right? And they interviewed nobly on American TV afterwards. And some guy asks him, which the typical what I thought it was a silly question. Well, now that you've won an NBA title, and you've won a gold medal which. Which is more which is which do you like better? What a silly question. Right. So he looks at them. I never forgot this and well NBA title is nice. But this this is for my country. I love and I realize this is a real thinker. Look, we could go go on forever. This is the case when you're talking about something you love basketball love story. It airs on ESPN, but the way to access it is through the app and online, and you could imbibe it straightforward in little chunks, very very much in line with how we consume media in two thousand eighteen Dan Clara's, put it all together. It is a monument to a great sport told through a very keen set of is. Thank you. Thank. And as a book, Jackie MacMullan and Ray foul. Mu basketball. Love stories a great book and oral history to gain taking into aural history of basketball love story. Thank you so much. Thank you have. In nineteen Ninety-two hundreds of armed federal agents surrounded a family of white separatists in a ramshackle mountaintop cabin. Eleven days later three people were dead. And the story of Ruby Ridge was just beginning. I'm risk Graeme. And I'm the host of the new slate podcast mini series standoff over four episodes. We'll find out what happened at Ruby Ridge. What went wrong and how the tragedy became a foundational myth for the modern far? Right. Subscribe to the show and apple podcasts or wherever you listen. And now the deal the question of centrism versus progressivism as the optimal stands to win the hearts, and therefore the votes of the electorate in twenty twenty has taken on an all consuming importance, very little can be learned from twenty eighteen unfortunately because the results were bit ambivalent, though, not as much as partisans would have you believe but mostly because it is impossible to separate the proclivities. Or as it's trendy now to say, the priors of the pundits who are offering you wisdom, meaning the more centrist. You are the more. You think that some form of centrism won the day and the more progressive, you are the more you think well, Tuesday's shows you got to get out there. Be progressive complicating this equation or two facts one. No one really knows exactly what the terms mean. Centrism in progressive. That's a little complicating. And the other one is that all the candidates that people are pointing to as embodying either one or the other of those ideologies don't really body them fully should the party, tack left or hard left. It's basically become act test. But with all that said, I will offer a couple of helpful lessons and guesses, and I will also disclose my leanings. So I'm all for progress. Love me some progress. But am I quote, unquote, progressive let's say I do not say, I am a socialist. And I will tell you why I am not a socialist. We had the head of the socialists in here. I did not get a great definition of what the socialist meant. I just said to myself. I don't think I'm one of those. There are a couple of maybe more solid policy areas that progressives are endorsing these days and those are Medicare for all in Baalucha ice. Impeach trump. So Medicare for all the left's repeal and replace abolish ice that is the left's audit the fed. And impeach Trump. I'd say right now at this stage. That is the left's lock her up. I will concede on point three. There's going to be some Muller findings and locking him up or at least impeaching him might one day become the right choice. But my criticism is publicly advocating that now is definitely being head of the facts. So I guess all that editor up. It makes me a centrist. Right. And yes, I do have to say I think centrists did well on Tuesday and the party will do well to endorse centrists in key races. So again evaluate that as you will. Maybe it's my biases, motivating my reasoning. But there's also this part. I am right. I am right about this. So the three big progressives on the tickets all lost on election day, Gillam Abrahams O'Rourke it's possible that couple of 'em might not lose after election day. But it's unlikely they'll all probably stay as close, but no cigars. So that means progressivism lost right? Well, no pod. Save. America says look at those three candidates shows the progressive too great. There was a lot of criticism from these cynical reporter saying why did you nominate these these liberals these died in the wool progressives in these conservative states. Those liberals did better than all of the centuries of vanilla candidates have run in those states in recent years, and they did better with independence. They were able to after Dan Pfeiffer said that which I think is all true, Jon Favreau, said this we're going to see more of this as we get closer to twenty twenty. There's going to be all this punditry. It's all they all base it on ideology. All they can think about is someone centrist or someone left someone to in the middle or two in. It's all garbage like look for the candidate. Who you you're in your gut tells you will inspire a movement of Americans from all walks of life to get out there worked their asses off and go to the polls look for that candidate. Well, the left versus centrist take it's a little inaccurate. When it comes to a couple of the candidates Beto did not endorse abolish. Is Gillam said abolish is as it is. But he's not saying abolish is basically saying, you know, change it to be better, which is what we should do with all government programs, and when Stacey Abrams was the leader of the Democrats and the Georgia house. She was a deal cutting pragmatists, but most important is this when Favreau is supporting hey, we should endorse. Transcendent charismatic or a torque -ly gifted candidates will who says not bring back the boring ones. That's the path to success. What the pod save America crew isn't saying, and I'm not gonna say what they won't tell you what they don't realize. I think they know this full, well, but left unsaid in all of that advice is this. If you're running for governor or Senator you can get the coverage. So people can find out that your great speaker or charismatic, but when it comes to a house candidate. It's a lot lot harder in the very markets that were covering say Beto Rourke extensively in Dallas or Houston. There's sometimes four or five candidates running in those markets. I live in New York City. If you add all the different states that the New York City market covers my God, you've got thirty people running for congress. It's very hard to let your constituency know exactly how charismatic you are if you're running from congress under those circumstances. So invo cases in the cases of running for a house seat district should definitely go with someone who stances align with that district. Like, Alexandria, Akasa Cortez is a super fit for queens and the Bronx. But she don't work great in Pennsylvania, eight or most other places so enter the d triple c which progressive groups will tell you stands for dissolve -tory cautious Callo conservatives, it's not it's the democratic congressional campaign committee, and they tend to trend less left than Bernie, and the Bernie groups they tend to. Trend less left than any self proclaimed, socialists, or the kind of candidates that are endorsed by places like think progress or the intercept or the nation magazine. Now, I imagine the intercept because on the show we talked about a big expose. They did about how the d triple c was turning their back on this one activist in in Colorado. And it turns out they had a secret. Recording of Steny Hoyer, saying, yeah, we're going to back the other guy. Well, guess what? The other guy won. He won quite well doesn't mean that the candidate that the intercept was all aggrieved on behalf of wouldn't have one. But it didn't the other guy did find one data point. Let's look at this article in the nation written about the time in the primaries. Hadn't even happened in most places. It was called when the d triple c calls. Hangup. Unclear if the message was to voters when when you get a robo-call from the D triple say, or if you're a candidate and the d triple c calls you because an article of faith in all these articles is that the D triple seat doesn't just back. Interests. They backed losers. They have a terrible track record. It was asserted. I tried very hard to see if this was true before the election hard to get great evidence. But the evidence is in with this election. So if you listen to the nation, there were warning all these d triple C candidates. We're going to blow it in winnable elections read some of this article, they were championing Pennsylvania activist named Jess king. Who was finding it hard to get the backing of the establishment just king saw Emily's list. Former governor Ed Rendell and the party establishment back her primary opponent Welsh actually did wind up winning the endorsement, but she lost the election by seventeen points nation continues in New Hampshire in the race to succeed. Retiring democratic Representative Carol shea porter the D triple C started robo calling to poll support for Chris Pappas back in November. Even though he had not yet formally announced his candidacy. Well, let us cut to d triple C backed candidate Chris Pappas. On election. So thank you. Thank you for joining us here tonight. To celebrate this great victory again in Virginia's second district. The triple C is backing former Republican Elaine Loria, by the way, former Republican particularly unforgivable sin to the nation magazine and their ilk. Well, here's a lane Loria on election day, you and you. In the Brassica the nation continues. The D triple is backing Brad Ashford another former Republican who serve the term in the house after switching parties. Well, in this case Brad Ashford lost the d triple c candidate lost. Instead, the more progressive, carrot Eastman one. And when it came time for the general election, carry Eastman, lost in fact, Kerr Eastman, lost to the incumbent Republican by more than Brad Ashford had in twenty sixteen in this article every democrat who is mentioned as unfairly not getting D triple backing went on to lose the general election. That's just one article. I got a bunch of him. But we did the math Pierre Daniel me ballot OPD listed thirty three races. Where the triple say picked or endorsed a candidate. And they also listed. What other candidates were endorsed? And who won that actual primary who won the? Action in the thirty three races. Where the d triple c got in. They won eighteen of them eighteen of those sometimes in very Republican leaning districts sometimes against Republican incumbents eighteen of those d triple c candidates will be headed to congress. There were two cases where a candidate other than the d triple c back candidate won the primary, and they both lost the general election. So by all means if you have a superstar, let him or her shine, but if you have a congressional seat and you want to win the house rather than win a bunch of kudos from the nation and the intercept maybe trust the D triple say. I mean, it is. So tap it. It is so on cool. It is so establishment and successful. There were also really quite successful. And that's it for today show Pierre BMA Daniel traitor produced the gist. They both received the backing of the d triple c which is Delaware County community college, go phantoms, or maybe they have gone so hard to tell with fans Rafael is senior producer of sleep podcast. 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Spain and Fitz Hour 3

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"Spain and Fitz, and I'm gonna give you credit because you're the one that educated me on this. And this is what it comes down to everybody at this point has seen a thousand times or heard a million times about the blown pass interference call at the end of the saints game. That would have given them a ninety eight point five chance present chance according to our people of winning the game. And the the call was blown and everybody's there's a huge uproar for it. And so we've heard people saying, hey, there is a rule. There is a rule in the books that would allow Roger Goodell to come in and fix this. Great injustice to the point that multiple lawsuits have been filed in from New Orleans from Louisiana that are actually trying to affect change by going to the courts. And this is the thing to know. All right. This is the most important part because you're hearing so much about rule seventeen an article three and what the Commissioner can go and do. But what everybody's leaving out is article too. And article two says the Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning. Judgmental errors or routine errors of emission by game. Officials. All right. So it tells you straight they're like we were so busy being focused on one section of the rules that we all forgot to read the rest of it. It's like take a one chapter out of a book of me. Like, I got this figured out. There was more to it. And the rest of it says, hey, Raj. Can't do anything about this. So step number one for saints fans. I'm sorry. Is you just got to realize that this is your fate for the rest of your saints fandom life? You're going to have to watch this replay over and let me tell you every time NFL network runs a replay of historic finishes every time there's a conversation about worst calls in history. Every time there's a conversation about most dramatic endings in history. You are going to see all of it every single second. Right. So the the best advice, I can give you is just start the healing process. Like, you can just. Start the healing process. Remember Darren rebel noted on his Twitter damages in the saints ticket season ticket holder lawsuit against the NFL. Roger Goodell include mental anguish emotional trauma loss of faith in the NFL loss of enjoyment of life loss of entertainment distrust of the game. I mean, we're doing all of this. One that's one raiders season. Call you out. Well, that's my point this guy who says time to start healing get over. It is still talking about the tuck rule game. Well, the tuck rule was a little bit easier said than done I don't begrudge a single saints fan for being salty about this all off season and into the start of next season. I there is no way to fix it. You can be mad about affirming designated next. Whether or not that rule had an addendum or article two spoke to three or not we already know at this point lawsuit or not which by the way will take like seven years. So we'll come back and replay the game in twenty whatever. And then relitigate the Super Bowl will graduate. All the players out of retirement except for Tom Brady. He'll still be out there loosen. There's no way to fix it. It's they got screwed it stinks. A lot of us have been there. Most of us have not been there in this agreed of a manner where everyone's talking about it the league's already looking at rule changes. So I feel bad for them. And I don't begrudge them any single minute that they wanna spend whining and complaining about it that that's you know, if you're going to say a well humidity, or then you're also gonna say, oh, well humanity doesn't heal overnight. And I'm certainly not saying get over it in that sense up saying, you gotta start the healing process because you never get over it. I mean, I saw Charles Wesley anger. Let him have it for a while. I mean Woodson was tweeting at like less than a minute after this. Call would Charles Woodson is out there saying, hey, saints fans have all of you that have been telling me to get over the tuck rule. How's it feel and I'm like who not not not great timing know, I looked at it. And I'm like Charles, I don't have to press on that. Because you. Did for me, my friend. So there's no there's no easy way to fix this. And we went into the show tonight. Sarah kind of saying, well, what's what's right, then if this won't fix it? Because do you wanna live in a world where the Commissioner has that? But I I don't think it's a good thing. Even in the concept of if the Commissioner had this power. I don't think I wanna live in a world where Roger Goodell can come in the next day and say, you know, what guys I don't know what you have planned today everybody. Let's get back to let's get back to the Superdome. And we're gonna play the last minute and forty nine seconds of this game. This is hard without context. Which is not these sports radio answer to this. Right. You're supposed to have a hot take. But if in the case of what the the rule calls for which is emergency, or completely, you know, extreme circumstance where something feels completely wrong. And the timing is such that you can nip it in the bud almost immediately after the game. We're even during it, then I don't mind this rule. Right. If somebody parachutes onto the field and breaks the ankle of a player on one team, and he was the star player. And then they lose that seems unfair. If a part of the stadium crumbles and someone's deeply in gravely injured or killed and they're like keep playing, right? I just feels like there are moments that are so extreme and outside even our imagination that this may come into play. Then why not have it in there? But every other case and for the most part. Art, especially when it takes time hours days when we've already moved on to the next match-up where people have retired or Leifer vacation. I'm going to say, no, it's just not realistic to go back and replay a game or restarted game. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Sarahspain Jason Fitz presented by progressive insurance. And I think you're absolutely right. And that's why an attorney friend of mine years ago told me contracts and collective bargaining statements are written for worst case scenarios. So when you have a clause like that in there specifically in there for worst case scenarios, I think as hard as this is for saints fans to hear right now the game while it was terrible ending is not that worst case scenario. It's not that life altering awful scenario that they plan for when they added it added that that stipulation in there, which is why there's another stipulation in there to better clarify what this rule is four. I I don't think and to the point of how the game ended I'll come back to a few years ago when I. Doing my first ever assignment with the SPN was a small TV show. Most people didn't see on ESPN you. And we were we were on the year that central Michigan went in and upset Oklahoma state and central Michigan hit Michigan had been given an extra play with zero zero zero on the clock. And the fact is they never should have been given the play. It was a ref air that that allowed the player to happen and central Michigan through a hail, Mary that was completed Oklahoma state took the loss, and it completely changed the way the rest of the season played out for Oklahoma state, and you know, for college football in general at the time, I stood there. Sarah, I loudly proclaimed hate change this like the play never should have happened. There was no time left on the clock. The game was over. We know that I think in an instance like that when the game is over and there's an extra down added at the end if we were talking about situations like the easiest one to use this. Then you come in and say, okay. Well, let's have a little common sense. But when you're talking about I don't care how much we wanna make chip shot field goal. Chip shot field goal. There were still so much football to be played. Out. And there there isn't a way here that Roger Goodell can come in and fix this. I agree with you. They could've gotten parking. There is always a chance. Right. But they but an expert, and I can't remember his name it came in and said ninety eight percent chance to win. Yeah. Kick it chip shot. They have fifteen seconds. It's possible. But that feels like almost as definitive as zeros on the clock. Here's an Xtra play. It's not quite. It's not quite. But it's it's about that. That's the that's a play fits that that right after it. You're watching the game. And they said, that's it. It's sealed everyone on the sidelines. Cheers. Right. It's just formalities really. And that's that's why it's so tough to swallow. I agree with that. I think for me chamber Ford play varieties. Oh my gosh. It that's it. It's late enough. And the context is such that you make that interception game over. Well, we're gonna keep breaking down. Because if you missed it earlier, Mike Pereira joined us earlier, we wanted to hear some of his great ideas on how to fix the NFL. We'll get into that a little bit later. But straight ahead. How many fans in Saint Louis are still going to root for the Rams in the Super Bowl? We asked you earlier, you have blown up so the internet's exploded. With their responses. We'll get into a little bit next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Spain and Fitz. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Sarah. Spain Jason Fitz ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance, making it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. We'll get into how you guys broke the internet in just a few minutes as the responses continued to flood in on our Twitter poll question for Rams fans. Are you rooting for the Rams are you are they dead to you? We'll get into that in a minute. And if you are team left, and you weren't getting a new one would you root for them wherever they went not root for anyone or pick a new team totally randomly, which is something. I've got a lot of thoughts on as you imagine is the raiders fan. We'll get into the second. But I I gotta be honest. Like, Mike Pereira. Blew my mind earlier we had him on Mike Myers. The Fox Sports rules analysts. If you missed the interview listen to it in its entirety on the podcast because he had so much brilliance to share and I. It in really ready to just come in and say, okay. This is long since then my stance Sarah review, everything put everything up for review allow coaches to have the same number of challenges. They have now if they wanna use that on a holding call I don't care just make it all up for review and in the last two minutes, you just you hope they commonsense sort of plays its way through. But frankly, I'm used to two minutes and NBA game taken me half an hour. NFL game is so I went in with this mindset on how to how to handle it. But then all of a sudden the light bulb went on because Mike Pereira talked about not not technology. He didn't talk about he's talking about that. But the thing that really blew my mind was how you could add crew member and suddenly fixed the issue check out what he said, there's just so much tradition. This is the way that we've done it in the past. And I really think we have to get past that and fulltime officials. I'm just sorry. But it's band-aid that doesn't accomplish anything. You get twenty four guys and you make them full time. Well, what are they doing? They're not working anymore games. You know, they're going into the office once oh on up to look at some video, but it's a band aid to me. So it's time to take off the band and try to put stitches on the wound and see if we can close the wound and do something that to me would be very constructive. And I think this would be different. In. This would be an eight member of a crew. It wouldn't be a league office employee trying to interject his opinion as to what the call might be. It would just be an official who's in a Bhatt with the video capability that can run it back and quickly make your correction. My Brera telling us that somebody basically sitting in the booth. That's watching the game that can just buzz down to the field and say, Nope. That was pass interference fix it. Right there. How do you feel about that, sir? Okay. So I I wanna point out the keys that he said, which is it's a member of the crew, right? I think that matters it needs to feel like this is a unit a unified team that's working together versus this is our crew someone up there is going to tell you that that you're not right. I think it's received differently. I think it's really smart. If people want fewer replaced fewer delays not that there would be more necessarily challenges. So it wouldn't be adding to the number. But within two minutes, the league could decide if something looks like it might need to be looked at. They can they can. Side to do it. I think my only concern fits would be that. You're putting all that pressure on one person. Now, they do have the TV in front of them. And they will have a very split-second according to his desire to not use replace. But to have it be live angles to decide that something was not called correctly. I don't know if my heart values fewer replays over getting it. Right. We don't talk a lot about football being too long. We don't talk a lot about people getting sick of it or dragging on even though it's a starting stop game. That has roughly what like five minutes of action out of the entire right rights. You know, what I mean when you actually add up the plays? It's like three seconds per play, usually. But I understand that this this weekend. It was a lot of whistle. Whistle. Whistle. Play. Whistle whistle. You know? It was start stop starts up. It felt worse than normal. But I still prioritize getting it. Right. So if there isn't enough time or there, isn't an. For him to see enough angles up in that booth and make the right decision that I'm okay with the replays. It that's what it takes. I think the thing that really stands out to me that would be difficult. And I love this idea, by the way, I think it's a great starting point. But you need to be willing to say stop. I need more time. I'm not sure about this one. Well, and so a couple of things that come to mind one is high powered offenses, and how those those down, but then the other side of it that I think is a little difficult. I'll admit this is I've long since said it's not healthy for the league that you can't get the bar reaction. Essentially there's a touchdown. Everybody wants to jump up and down. It's why hated to catch will for so long. You see this big huge place. And you're Buffalo Wild Wings. And all of a sudden, you're like, wait, wait, wait can't react until they've had a chance to look like I hate that. So I do hate the thought of oh my God massive play down the field. And then all of a sudden right before you go to the line. They're like, oh, wait, wait. Wait. They buzzed him from the from the truck. And there was actually you know, there was holding on that. Like, I don't know where you where you draw the line. They looking at every angle of every play to call or not call. I mean, it could get cumbersome in that sense. But I do at the same time. I I have this altruism. Extensive I want them to get it. Right. And you and I are squarely on the same page for this like the most important thing for a fam- basis to know that win or lose. You don't feel like you've got jobbed over by the league or the refs? And that's how a fan. Right. And that's why I totally agree with you that it stinks that we don't have that in the moment reaction anymore, but it's not realistic. We have too many replays. Now, we have too much technology. Now, you're gonna know when something was called wrong, and that's going to anger, you a lot more than your. Oh, right. I mean, that's the frustrating. Not as frustrating as blown game. We'll say the thing that stands out the most me when I try to make these discussions or arguments is trying to figure out and this is probably because my entire family's lawyers other than me, and I'm basically just a lawyer for stuff. That's unimportant. Right. I'm just doing stuff. That's not that important, but I try to play devil's advocate. I look at what is the opposition in essay. And the only arguments that I can imagine for why you wouldn't want to allow pe- is as something that could be challenged just opening up or like, you said all plays opening up the array of plays that can be challenged the only conflicts, I can see someone saying I want fewer delays fewer stoppages that wouldn't be the case in this. We're not giving you more challenges. We're just allowing you to challenge more things. And then in two minutes remaining, maybe you get one more. But it's it's not gonna be super agreed in my opinion. Compared to what we already have the other conflict would be someone who says I'm worried about them opening up every play to everything that you see. That's why would need to be. Acidic I'm challenging that. There was PI on this play on the intended receiver. Not was there a hold back here or something else that you missed you can only look at and change this Pacific part of the play being challenged. I don't know if that's allowed right? I don't know if they're able to look at a replay and be swayed by the fact that they missed a holding somewhere else and something somewhere else. But I think that's the only way to do it because you don't want it to be. Ooh, something bad happened to our team. Let's challenge it and see if they can find something that saves us. I completely agree with that. I think one of the difficulties those I'll I'll think back to the phantom handsome the face penalty that came for the chiefs where they didn't hit Brady in the face and the garage will of it is so bad. Right. So obviously in that instance, the chiefs would've would've challenged that and it would have been reversed. But at the same time it certainly looked like the chiefs committed pass interference on that same play. So I don't know how that's handled like in this situation you challenge one in. They're like, all right. That's gone. Well, then to the patriots Shanna. What about the passenger? Yeah. Well, and that's a great point that I hadn't even thought of if you think about it, right? If the patriots are like this is a great play for us. We'll take it. And then they're like up we're going to get rid of that. Well, in that case, this isn't a great play for us. We're gonna complain about this other thing that happened. Like, that's that would be annoying. I mean that is the sort of you only have so many challenges is it worth to you. Right. And then on that particular drive. It probably would have been the to both teams to do it. So anyway, you wanna look at it. They're going to continue the conversation because when it happens in something this high profile, that's what happens. The question is will the conversation leads results. That's where I am a little cynical on this. I mean, even the catch rule took them alone time to get right? So we'll keep an eye on straight ahead. There's your phantom relocate with your team that moves we're wondering if Saint Louis will still be celebrating the Rams in the Super Bowl next Spain infants Spain and fits it Spain in fits their Spain and Jason Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel eighty if you missed Keith Olbermann. Or Mike Pereira on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Be sure to check out the interviews posted in the Spain and Fitz podcast shortly after the show on the ESPN app on the podcasts app items ever wage podcasts. Always go back and listen to all Spain and fit some really good stuff. Especially for Mike Pereira. Great stuff from Keith Olbermann and Tim Kirk to on the baseball hall of fame stuff. We asked you guys earlier. And this is a tough question. I I'm still working through what my answer would be on the second question. But what we were thinking about Saint Louis Rams fans a bunch that. I saw their team come from LA and then lose them back to LA. And we've heard from a couple that are still rooting for the Rams they consider them their team, despite you know, whatever city there in that's still their team. And plenty of people who say the Rams are dead to them quite literally that was the option on the pool. Eighty six percent of Saint Louis fans who responded said Rams are dead to me. Just fourteen percent said. Still my team. It's going to be coming up even more fits with the raiders. And the chargers a lot of fans of teams that are moving trying to figure out do I stay loyal. Am I getting a replacement team because that makes a difference on? So that's what we asked. Everybody to think about if your favorite NFL team left your city, and you were not getting a replacement team. Would you keep rooting for them rather have no team at all? Or just choose another team, whichever one you want. And this is the close one thirty eight percent said they'd still be my team. Thirty five percent said choose another random team twenty-seven percent said rather have no team at all. I can't imagine the Chicago Bears anywhere. But Chicago, but if we weren't getting another team, I think I gotta stick with them. I think they're still my squad. I it's about what you identify with. You know, it's it's interesting too. I think we'll part of what makes us really difficult for cardinal's fan or sorry for Saint Louis fans. I'm looking at the word cardinals like. Pointed out by big Mook on on Twitter. He said I had to do this with the Saint Louis cardinals the team moved to AirAsia. Like, we've forget the Saint Louis is a city has been through this before. Now the cardinals eventually go back to a Super Bowl. But it's not like it was in close proximity to win. They moved from Saint Louis. What makes this particularly heartbreaking is that the the memory of the Saint Louis Rams is still very fresh for a lot of people as remember that the LA Rams haven't even built their stadium. They haven't even finished the new stadium and they're already in a Super Bowl. So I think the reasons he is part of what makes the sting so stinking much. Now, I I mean, I can speak to I grew up in LA raiders fan. And a lot of people don't realize that. I mean, I'm forty one. So when I was a kid in Vegas. Everybody was L A fan. So it was the raiders and the Lakers. That's what you grew up a fan of and and Vegas entire life was raiders fan. So when they moved to Oakland, you know, for my age there was no tied Oakland. I wasn't somebody. Who was like? Oh, yep. Either in Oakland. So I think for me it became. About the brand a long time ago. So for me not living in Oakland, not living in California. I don't I don't really care where they played. It turns out they're moving to my original hometown that works out really well for me, but I'm going to be a raiders fan. Even when there were rumors that they might go to San Antonio. I I don't care where they play just want him to have a shiny beautiful stadium and be happy. But if you're from Oakland, you care a lot you invested all this money time effort into loving this team. You know, I think if you've lived there, and it's really if you're synonymous with the Brandon the city, I it's gotta be difficult to move. But for me, it was always about the brand. Well, and it matters where they go. If they go really far away either that helps because it's none of your rival cities nearby or at hurts because they're too far free to go watch regularly. Right. Like, the bears moved to Milwaukee. A lot of Chicago fans are not rooting for a Wisconsin. Yeah. Comply, really good point. But if they move really far away. Do you feel so distant that? It's no longer squad you pick something closer. But maybe not a full on rival. We got some really funny responses to this. John. He human wrote a Cincinnati native native. I've been waiting for the Bengals to leave for a while. Now. Andrew wrote same with the Vikings might be more of a blessing to be honest. Lot of people mentioning the Sonics going to. Okay. See and that the funder will never be in. You know, would never be their team that makes sense. A lot of people voted for rather have no team at all the NFL, I stopped watching altogether. Right. There was a lot of people who had had this happen to them. And they said, you know, I it was just over for me. I wasn't. I wasn't into it. Someone said as an Iowa fan. Thanks for reminding me that we'd never have any of our own teams and never will. So my policies those who live somewhere that doesn't ever get into teams. Some key Kyle rote being in Saint Louis and still rooting for the Rams as dignified as keeping up with your Xs Instagram that is fair when I look at the Christopher says a lifelong chargers fan I had to live through this. I think every situation is unique unique. But the way the Spanish has left town was just so heartbreaking stick with the team to that. I would say let's remember that the colts moved away from Baltimore to Indianapolis in the middle of the night and told no money the brunt. The Browns moved to Baltimore with huge objection. I think every every fan base feels like wait, wait, wait, wait. It doesn't usually work. Like this. Like, I don't know. There's a lot of easy ways. Just be like, you know, what I mean? I guess the only way would be if the team and the owners were like we want to stay we want to stay in the league was like we're gonna we're gonna make you move for whatever reason or we've done everything we can stay and it's impossible. Those are very rare though, it's usually over the owners dead body. Literally would I ever root for them again? Because that's where the. Anger goes. And I think owners usually are wronging the city that they like and owners taking a business opportunities. I've said a million times it doesn't make any sense to me that Las Vegas or the state in Nevada decided to give the raiders two billion dollars for a new stadium. But if you run a business and somebody comes in and says, hey instead of using your own money. We'll give you two billion bucks. The problem is is the the cities that are onto the the to the fraud that is tax payers playing paying for this stuff. They're losing out. But they're winning right. The same time right there taxpayers aren't paying for stadiums. That don't pay themselves and for billion dollar owners, and and people that could pay for it. So they're winning in that in that sense. But then they're losing the team to cities that haven't caught up to the to the to the. To being fraud. Common sense. Right. God Sanchia, David Idaho. Chime in David he got an extra on the man. Thanks. Thanks for having me on. I I'm a I'm I was a huge supersonic fan. I still am is still stings superman. And anytime I see a team moved from a city. I totally feel for them. I I would have to transplant. My dad was in the military. We moved around a lot. But I've always been a SuperSonics fan. I've been Seattle fan all all the way through and when they moved I could not I could never for the thunder ever. Thanks. Thanks for the call shifting Dave joined us on the shell Pennzoil performance on. What he got there, sir? I don't believe him. Like, you know, when when when and that's kind of similar to the Rams because not that long after is is is the finals. Right. You know, as the thunder and also to have them get Kevin Durant. And think about all the years, you could have had Kevin Durant with the Sonics. That's brutal. Yeah. And also. Seattle's a great sports town the other lazing how fast ball town. Absolutely. I mean, there are sometimes you look at it and say, okay, maybe the fan base wasn't there. Maybe there was a situation around it. But when you're talking about the same argument, I made even when Cleveland moved to Baltimore in the mid nineties. I mean, it's not like Cleveland wasn't a great supporting Brownstown. You know? I mean, they're just got I got offered a free stadium. So like, I it's a it's a weird part because the fans are such a small part of the actual conversation around it. Yeah. And I think for so many of us are teams are so ingrained. You can't even imagine. Right. You can't imagine the Chicago Bears being anywhere else. But I'm sure people felt that way about the Sonics. There's a lotta history. They're sure people felt that way about the Saint Louis cardinals. Or, you know, and so it may be it's useful for all of us as as a movement seems to be easier. As money seems to be more of a decider to just go through the thought experiment. Right. Just give ourselves a little bit of maybe that. Maybe that will make it a little easier for us if it actually happens right to have thought about it a little bit for the Rams fans man to me. I think the way it went down is the reason that they're all going to say dead to me. But when you got the team because of somebody else getting it stolen from him. And then it goes back to their there's something full circle about it. That almost makes me think. Root for them roofer them, you know, in LA that's fair. And by the way, what you did. There's also something about a like view had a team stolen from you from Saint Louis for the cardinals. And then you stole a team from right, right? So it is this weird like UTD mainly. Yeah. It's weird. It's very much. Just be getting what they did to serve again. I don't know. And now wanna stay off Twitter for the rest of the day just floating it out there, of course, not serious about it. And I would never say I dunno St Louis boring like Kris Bryant, Sarah Spain and Jason Fitz would do it. Spain and Fitz coming up if you were building championship roster in the NBA. Would you pick James harden to lead that team knowing what we know now and seeing what we see now coming up next pain if it's on ESPN radio Spain and fits it. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the espionage app and Sirius XM channel eighty sarahspain and Jason Fitz with you ESPN radio's presented by progressive insurance earlier, we were talking about James harden doing James harden things end doing James harden things that are completely necessary for his team to stay in the hunt in the west before James Harden's current streak of thirty plus point games in a row. The rockets were in fourteenth in the west. On they moved up to fifth since he started to go off, and whether or not you like watching Isobel ball whether or not you care about hardened scoring thirty for a twentieth consecutive game. And tying wilt streak a have to at least admit that what he's doing has been incredible as that team heels from injury, but we were talking about this before the show and our producer. Vince said looking at what Vince James harden is doing now if he was you know, had a team and he had to pick someone for it. The James harden would not be anywhere near his top picks. Maybe you'd of course, say Kevin Durant is gonna go before man. Anthony Davis, you know, kinda young guys with more ahead of them. But I don't think what we're seeing from James harden right now changes my perspective at all on what he could be with the right town around him because I don't see him as a Carmelo Anthony type or even maybe a Russell Westbrook type who says this is how I play you can't change me. I see him. As this is what's necessary for my team right now. If you give me back an effective, Chris Paul an Eric, Gordon who can shoot at a clink cappella who's out there doing his thing? And being as good second option was specially drawn people to the middle. And I could kick it out or inside out whatever that inside out game. Then then I think he doesn't need to do what he's doing now. And he's still a tremendous asset. I agree. One hundred percent. In fact, I think the fact that he's doing everything he needs to do right now. I think should be actually something that bolsters how we feel about him. I mean right now, if you're the rockets, how do you win without James harden? I mean, I don't think that there is right? Exactly. And the fact the other side of it is if you're the rockets, should you be winning? I mean, should you be doing this? Well, considering they lost cappella considering they don't have CB three. I mean, I I don't think so and C three to six weeks. Gordon just to guts well done. Well, done just leave. It just got. So was fine. The great Jim in everything. But, but we do I look at this and say, all right. What we're seeing right now as a player that saying, okay? If you gotta put it all on me, somehow some way I'm still going to get it done. I don't I don't think that that defines James harden. And who he'll be if he has the right pieces around him. I think it defines James Harden's ability to get it done. No matter the situation. No matter how bad it is. He's able to go in and say, all right. Don't worry about it. Just to ride my coattails. We got this. And for now. I mean, how many weeks in a row are are people going to sit there and say, well, this isn't sustainable while it sustains. I mean, I I'm not taking anything from it. And I also don't think it defines what hardens fully capable of. Yeah. I don't think we can know for sure because we'd have to see it in action last year. This rockets team took the warriors to seven and without that Chris Paul injury. It's anyone's guess, right? You're going to believe that the warriors closed that out either way. But we have seen him be able to play within the team construct that offense was incredibly efficient last year. And we all not we all I I was among many who really doubted the combination of Paul and harden and it worked out unbelievably last year. So I'm not going to look at what he's doing. Now and say this proves to us that this is who he needs or has to be now there are some things about his current streak that are sort of unbelievable one of them is that in his last four games, he has two hundred points and. Only one of them came off in assist. I'm sorry. None of them from the last four times the loud one came in the fourth quarter of their loss to Orlando on January thirteenth and that was an assist from. Clint Capella who is currently injured. Maybe he's just holding out. So that Clint can have back to back, right? When wait for him to come back to score point offices. Like, that's kind of unbelievable. The fact that not only does he have more isos than entire teams. You can combine five or six teams eyeso- plays and still not have as many as he has alone. Okay. He's doing incredible odd unique things within the construct of team basketball. But that doesn't mean in my mind that when you reintroduce players that can get their own shot that can create their own place that can work inside out game that he's not going to be able to get back to that. So I'm still hyped on him. I'm amazed by what he's doing. And I think what we're looking at statistically is going to bolster an MVP campaign. Rain, but may end up being bad for them down the stretch. But they don't have a choice. I think one of the key stats when you look at the rockets as a team one of the key stats stands out to me is Erik Gordon to point to that is the number of assists per game. And that's significant because of the key contributors currently on the court that's the second highest in assists per game. James harden is averaging eight point three assists point getting pre game this year. He is the leading assist her on points for the entire rockets team. So again, I'm looking at it. And I'm saying, okay, fine. No matter what category you wanna take this. And if you want to take it in points per game, if you wanna look at that cling cappella, again, we mentioned is gone. I just mentioned Eric Gordon's name Chris Paul other than that the next leading score on this team is Carmelo Anthony. I mean think about that by points per game. Like there is no there's no right else on this roster, and Eric Gordon has been probably the one to most disappoint harden. If he's looking around and saying who's stepping up, you know, he he the other night was fantastic. He had thirty. Points. Sixteen of in the last two minutes of regulation and overtime when Houston beat the Lakers, and that was a huge for heart and he had forty eight. But but Gordon looked the way you'd want him to in that game. But a lot of the rest of the season. He has not been the guy he was before. And that's one of the people you can most look to to say where you been when when there's injuries, and we need someone to look to, you know, injuries of affected Gordon as well that knee injury, obviously hampering them at times. But I think when when you look at the start of the season, and how they've evolved. What's kind of interesting is their struggles. And like I said they were in fourteenth. When harden streak started to to then move all those all those slots up because of one player's unbelievable play. You do have to question if when you get the healthy pieces back they managed to fix the problems that they struggled with early in the year. We didn't see a long. Sample size of this team healthy and winning and fixing those issues. Right. We saw most of it early on when we struggled to figure out what was wrong with them. And why they weren't the rockets of last year. And I think we're really unavailing because of James Harden's greatness. So far this year. We're under valuing what the injury bug has meant as you mentioned. You're Gordon's missed a ton of time. Clint Capellas out Chris Paul's and when because of all of these injuries right now today James harden is the leading score. That's fine. He's also currently the leading assist guy. That's fine. He's also currently the leading rebounder on this date at this point everybody else is hurt and they're still winning and they're going up in the standings. How many teams can lose not just one key player, but two of their three main pieces and still continue to move up the standings? I mean, this is a problem. I know the Lakers missing their biggest piece missing their harden, their heart ones tough. I get that. But for most other teams when you talk about injury. Just surviving injury is. What you're going for? You're not looking to thrive. I'm not gonna fault James harden for having to take too much on his shoulders. When in fact, he's actually making this team thrive through injury. I think it's freaking remarkable remarkable infants you mentioned the Lakers, by the way, they are currently out of the playoff standings eight and a half back at the top team in the warriors just to gain back jazz. You were being patient with the broad, and you're going to need to keep the patient with the Bron. But for a guy that very rarely has missed time to injury and who's getting a little bit older. Are you worried yet? I'm not yes. About this season. I'm not worried about LeBron. But I'm worried about this season. I mean, I need him back quick. 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The Ocho: Dallas Cowboys legend DeMarcus Ware

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The Ocho: Dallas Cowboys legend DeMarcus Ware

"I want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any ninja warrior fan none of the in what world welcome to another episode of the ocho chopra's entity in partnership as always with espy nations bogging the boys dot com my name arja show you know me of course from b._t. And from writer as you're humble host on the co it is thursday the third day september fifth two thousand nine hundred and that means one thing there is football <music> <music> tonight. That's right unless you're listening to this late thursday night. Then of course there was football a little while ago but it is the official day of the kickoff of the n._f._l.'s is one hundred season obviously in green bay packers chicago bears lots going on lots to figure out lots to discuss lots going on on today's episode of the ocho. We have a very special guest. We've been yeah. We're gonna pat the show on the back a little bit two weeks ago. Tony romo joined the show last week. Mike pereira joined the show this week today. Demarcus ware joins the show. That's right before we get to demarcus ware. I do want to kind of just toss this question when it comes to tonight's game thursday thursday night football. It's actually not thursday night football. Be careful with that. That's a brand that's when n._f._l. Networks package begins. This is actually sunday night. Football aw on a thursday it's michael chris collins michelle to foia you get the whole the whole idea but this week by the way the actual game new england patriots unveiling unveiling their banner against the pittsburgh steelers but this is an interesting game obviously because football's back we missed the game etc. But who do you want to win a as a cowboys fan. Who do you want to win the green bay packers are the chicago bears because you can make a lot of arguments number one dudes way too orleans week one. What are you doing about this. I mean i'm i'm just considering everything that could be facing the couch down the road and when you look at it i think i believe born the packers i think i do i think i believe the packers are more likely playoff team simply because they have a better quarterback and i. I know that the bears have a really interesting rochester. They have a great defensive the reigning coach of the year matinee but i just look i mean i'm not going to bet against against aaron rodgers and look they have lower rookie head coach and there's a lot to that but until we see again that the packers cannot be counted on or believes then i'm going to believe in aaron rodgers and the green bay packers. I do believe that aaron could be in a little bit of a mood. I think that we're going to get pissed off aaron rodgers. He's he's gone a long time without <music> out being at the center of a season and so i think aaron rodgers is out for blood in two thousand nineteen so that being said i think for me if you're a cowboys fan watching in this game it makes the most sense to root for the chicago bears because i think the packers were more likely threat to cowboys obviously the four. That's the the cowboys play. Both these teams <hes> they host your packers on october six. They visit the chicago bears thursday after thanksgiving that will be on thursday night football but then again you can go from from the perspective of okay well. I think the packers more likely to win the division which means that the bears would be the team contending wildcard so then shouldn't we root for the packers occurs because we want to keep the bears out of the players look. I just don't want to deal with the packers. I don't want to deal with the packers and maybe that's the question that we should answer. Which team do you feel. The the cowboys could ultimately beat and for me. I feel more confident. The cowboys could beat the bears then. I feel that they could beat the packers. That's just kind of where we're at. <hes> i think <hes> <hes> you know hey get the packers stunned. Just just do it. Mitchell trubisky step up. Get it done bro. We believe in you the n._f._l.'s back and that's great and you know who else is back kazuki. Oh elliott that's right. Oh yeah the n._f._l.'s raining rushing champion return to the dallas cowboys on wednesday after finalizing six year ninety million dollar contract extension that gives him fifty million dollars guaranteed. If you read about this a blog on the boys dot com and i know you did because i know that you check out blog on the boys all the time then you know that this deal is essentially actually an effectively a four year fifty million dollar deal for ezekiel elliott that begins now the next four seasons two thousand nineteen twenty twenty one and twenty two those are the real well. Here's the cowboys are tied to seek if they truly want. They can get out of this spy. Eric suits me after the two thousand twenty two season so you have the through his age twenty seven season. That's very very very good thing to have overall look. I think it's worth mentioning the dak prescott does not have a contract extension at least at the time of this recording jordan and i throw that out there because this has been a wild week where we've already seen to contract extension by the way today is thursday on thursday. There will be a press conference at the star where the cowboys unveiled their newest signees lyle collins and zeke elliot so watch out for that. Maybe they'll get a deal done in time in order to to celebrate that and as mentioned if if that were to happen we'll have an emergency podcasts noise but i mean the week is not necessarily young but if the cowboys always want to get a deal done with jack before the season begins i mean no. They have to get it done before. The season literally begins on sunday but i just feel like i will give the the idea of the cowboys and finalizing their own extension. I give that like thirty percent probability. I just i. I don't think the cowboys wanna go into this. I don't think the deck wants to go into this with this unsettled. I think that's unwise from both perspectives and there's a lot of people make he's he's tra- she talks to look you think the cowboys are a good team right just just imagine if the cowboys won the super bowl but imagine if the cowboys won the super bowl and dak prescott was a bad ass throughout and you're in the two thousand twelve baltimore ravens joe flacco situation at that point if you you think thirty four million dollars a year sucks dude it is gonna really suck and if you're dak prescott the other thing is if you're staring at an offer. That's like an i'm just guessing here. Thirty one to thirty two million dollars per year dude is it. Is it really worth that extra two million dollars to gamble because what if you go out and you get hurt or what if you do go out and suck and what if you're the reason that the cowboys don't do this or don't do that etc. I mean that's why i think both sides have a huge incentive to get this done sooner rather than later <hes> speaking of sooner rather than later. We're gonna take our break now because i don't want to have to break during the demarcus ware interview so hold on for a second for a brief from our sponsors football all is finally back and nothing adds to the excitement of watching that first game like having a shot at a million dollars draft kings the leader in one day fantasy football celebrating the start of the season with an extra special week one contest new users can sign up today and get a free shot at the one million dollar grand prize just spy using code s._p. Nation here's what you do download the draftkings app use that code s._p. 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Forecast avengers of college football podcast says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what i mean is it so every tuesday we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app okay so now that we're back now that we're kind us setting the table and everything's good we all understand zeke is back. What who that could get paid nice right like you're coming around. I get it everything is coming up nice as the cowboys get ready to host new york giants on sunday afternoon. Luck ran for a fun week. We're in for a great time. It's really it is an incredible weekend. When you think about it on friday night to call my first clemens game here in san antonio. That's pretty pumped on saturday. My fighting texas aggies head on down to clemson. I don't care about the rock or anything like that. No no no. We're giving the tigers everything we can handle. Although the twenty point spread fails fair and then saturday night we get the l._s._u. Tigers against the texas longhorns looking forward to this game already think i've got what i going to be on saturday determined so we'll see and then of course sunday dallas cowboys new york giants diets america's game of the week on fox. I'll be there. I'll be covering the game for blocking the boys dot com and e._s._p._n. San antonio so make sure you have bookmarked. Make sure you are subscribed right here to the blogging the voice podcast feed you'll be able to hear sound the locker room that we collect. We'll have a video up on the blocking. The boys youtube channel tens of tweets. Follow me on twitter at our joe joe and of course tons undefined because that's what we're all about. We've put it off long enough. Let's get to it. Everybody dallas cowboys legend demarcus ware joins us next right here on the pleased to be joined now by somebody who you hold very very near and dear to your heart the one and only dallas cowboys legend himself demarcus ware demarcus happy football season. Hey listen to football all season starting. I'm starting to smile again. We all are you. <hes> you have a pretty you know well known smile. Have you ever thought about that. You have one of the most signature smiles of people people that i've ever played for the cowboys. You know what i mean you you. Just you just tell them in a church my heart so i know that i smile ally. I'm the honest with you demarcus. I've lost some weight this off season but i'm thinking about shaw q. Yeah i'm thinking about cheating though and having the snickers and i know i know that you're doing some work with them this season tell me about snickers and what you got going on. I tell you what since you've lost pounds. I know that you're the hungriest guy and with me any team that was snickers. There <hes> a rewarding hungriest guiding n._f._l. And fan for on on the field performance but also they often feel oh you know charitable works and they're really persuading the fans to now <hes> be part of it like go to you know <hes> haystack sneakers. <hes> chain rain is almost like the chain is becoming the new flat stanley. I'm going to be the first person to nominate their first high performance of the first week and then that guy is going to now have give chain to the next person so it's gonna be a trickle say but you can follow the story but the fans get get involved and they can also go to exit occurs like on any other social hammers to get involve. Have some fun also be rewarded from it but then what's really really good about it is now the person at the end. After this whole season they get the value of this chain donated to a charity of their choice and this chain well. I said is chain is amazing it is i. I know it's very heavy. I von forty two carats of diamonds on it so it lets you know that there's a lot of value in <unk> yeah well so it's kind of like <hes> like miami's amy's turnover chain and all of the college stuff. We're seeing right like that's kind of. What's nichols is working here with their new twentieth power. You like the twentieth power using now all of the whole n._f._l. Athletes platform me starting it off and now it gets to travel and so you actually see where's being how the players it actually react to it because we all these big contracts around her right so we know that they're getting paid and they like to believe. They like to drill this what we call them. Call it drip so <hes> i see so. Do you know they can pay for it totally well so i think a candidate for the drill. If i'm doing that right is another drip czar. Excuse me the trip. I go there you go. A candidate for the drip is another demarcus. <hes> somebody who you know quite well demarcus lawrence from the cowboys <hes> what are you. What are your thoughts on tank going into the season. You mentioned getting paid. He's a rich man now. I think he's gotten paid. That's what he wants and they consistent is whole career and now says now you have. I'll say now you have your policy. You gotta call him. Signed got james smith sign. You got zeke signed the only other two guy that you want to get sign and back in amari which i feel like those deals are going to get that so now you're team solidify you was the defensive captain happened last year and now you've got to go out and perform you gotta put the <hes> the team on your back since you have that big contract because that's what comes with it the responsibility with the big money big pay and you get out there and play and i know he's gonna get the job done. I think so too and you know tank has been pretty vocal old damarcus about his backing eli manning. You know he's really vocal about that. Who has sacked eli is there's something sweeter about that. You know what man <hes>. It's not you know second. Eli manning is just playing n._f._c. team. Is you know no that every single year when we played a giant so we play philly or you know whatever team it is when you plan any n._f._c. Each team is going to be that hard nose game a lot of running a lot of <hes> nasty brought to the game and it's like you know i want to sort of take out the most important guy on the team from a pass rusher. Standpoint is the quarterback so i'm gonna call trash because i know there's gonna row everybody up my team to support me as i go out in trash quarterback then accents. What do you make of the cowboys. Chances overall so you mentioned having the posse lined up and everything kind of seems to be pointing in the right direction. A lot of people are high on this roster as the twenty nineteen season begins. What do you see for them. Is there potential expectations expectations. <hes> i think that there there are team to where jerry put together. A whole cast of actors thursday can get the job done and now they gotta go out there and do it and they have so much potential right but the thing is how you start the season off because you got a lot of n._f._c. day but then how you finish the season with either you know injuries or whatever it might have <hes> in going into that postseason. Do you have everything that you need to get to where you need to be. Now you know let the seasons start she does that is <hes>. It's gonna be exciting exciting. A lot of people demarcus have said that this team is you know the most talented since whenever and a lot of people have compared it to you guys in two thousand seven yet thirteen pro bowlers obviously won on thirteen games as well. What comparisons do you see. What team does this remind you of in terms of cowboys that you've been a part of. I think that you know i think the team to where we were thirteen. No it was like crazy. We had larry al and we had you know romo weight and marry him barber me. It was a plethora of guys on the team and they have no right. They have the guy that are bringing a lot of firepower our and <hes> they can you know put them to the next level but you know i think that you gotta fresh is eat coming. I mean people are worried. What about <hes> is gonna come back you're going to have you know <hes> a lot of endurance. You don't play the game. I feel like he's all come back. Refresh leagues 'cause he has no choice because he he signed a big contract and he's put the bulls eye back on themselves saying that i can carry that shoot at me and you gotta dodge it. I'm gonna score points and dude. I need to do so uh-huh. I'm i cannot wait to see the opener against the giants last one for you demarcus and now you're a busy man the cowboys in two thousand nine hundred and give me a record prediction and what happens to them in the playoffs <hes> i think <hes> the cowboys are going to be canaan fix and and <hes> i don't know about the playoffs i mean i'm not sure about the playoffs but big old tendency on the super bowl winning team okay that sounds good demarcus guess where looking forward to this drip from snickers and get a couple have a great season demarcus looking forward everything you in snickers do together. I break many many many many many things to demarcus ware snickers for hooking us up for demarcus. I spending some time with the ocho. I know he's a busy man and again. You're not checkout snickers on social media. I have seen this <hes> this this chain. You know it's <hes> this drip type. I can't believe i thought it was called. A drill not necessarily my most proud moment but it's really cool and again it's kind of it's like miami's turnover chain and they're gonna really you know raise some some money and it's a good thing to fund way for fans interact with the game and to be part of it's part of what the magic of social media is it brings opportunities like this which is really cool and really cool to see demarcus ware part of it in fact you might remember a demarcus lawrence last season. He had some some sneakers cleats which was really cool as well so this is awesome and i do things that demarcus lawrence is in line to be able to rock this this chain once or twice this season so we'll see that about does it though for thursday's episode road of the ocho. We'll be back on friday with another episode. Of course we'll have another episode of the seven five. Oh is well. We're back with our regular rotation of of that here on the podcast feed remember blog. The boys is podcasts peter. I there's a lot of fantastic cowers podcasts but blogging the voice. We bring you a dallas cowboys super bowl champion twice a week. We also give you one show at the very least every single day all throughout football season. We make sure that you know what's going on because dude. This is the best time um and we might as well talk about together because we're all friends so it's just do it. Subscribe to the blog the boys podcast wherever you podcast man you know apple stitcher radio. You know whatever's out. Don't you know spotify. Hey man. I'm not judging us what you like but anyway have just the absolute best thursday enjoy the n._f._l. Returning that's going to be awesome. <hes> let's go chicago bears a love saying like that. It's a real problem. I'll work on it. I promise and have a great start to your friday. We'll talk to you then <hes>. Maybe we'll have another contract to discuss who knows so with all that being said we will see many of my friends as always go cowboys and peace out <music> <music>.

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