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Thank you so much for listening special episode fantastic episode One for me first time ever on SI media with Jimmy training we have Bill Simmons from the ringer Don't need to go through Bill's credentials, you know them I've always said about Bill starting things and what I mean by starting things I mean the adding pop culture stuff to sports and being a sports person who? Wrote about things that had nothing to do with sports that sort of led me the way to do hot clicks Back in the day. So I always say oh, I owe a debt of gratitude to Bill. So I was thrilled He finally came on first time ever So it's a 90-minute interview. He was very generous with his time. I'm gonna get into all the topics Just give it a listen. You'll enjoy it and then following bill. We have our weekly train of thought segment with salicata So I don't waste any more of your time. I want to get right to it But I will just tell you quickly last week Joe Buck Troy Aikman were on the pod Together the ring is Brian Curtis was on the pod two weeks ago Andrew Marchand of the New York Post three weeks ago Kevin Clark from ESPN four weeks ago If you missed any of those episodes go into the archives check them out If you're not a subscriber to SI media with Jimmy trainer hit the subscribe button rate review it on Apple We'll read the reviews on an upcoming episode. All right enough of that. Let's get to it It's a big one bill Simmons followed by train of thoughts all right here right now on SI media with Jimmy trainer All right, join me now Thrilled to have him on the SI media podcast for the first time ever from the ringer Bill Simmons bill. Thanks for doing this. How are you? I don't do a lot of podcasts because I have two podcasts So I always feel like why am I going on somebody else's podcast? I do mind three a week I have rewatchable so I just feel like I'm saying everything I would say anyway. So anyway, it's nice to be on I Appreciate it. I really do my first question actually, I mean, I don't really plot out the questions but the first thing I did want to get into not get into but just as is you You said you don't do a lot of podcast do you not like being interviewed No, I don't mind interviewed. I just did something last week. I just you know, I I've had stretches where I've done a bunch or I've done different things and It's fine. I just you know, I just feel like I spend so much time talking Yeah, I'm probably my podcast. I'm probably doing five to six hours a week and then rewatchable Those are at least 90 minutes and then sometimes I'm doing the prestige TV stuff So I just feel like it's a lot of me. So you try to make it so that I'm not not doing too much Right. Well, I want to get into so many things and I don't want to I'm gonna say this at the top for people listening I am gonna kiss Bill's ass because now I have to well, I just want to say this right off the bat I've always said I feel like I wouldn't have been able to do what I do without I think you started it and what I mean by it is Combining pop culture with the sports Making you know, I I don't want to sit here and act like I'm Norma Ray But there were so many battles at SI about like, you know, well, this has nothing to do with sports This is nothing to do with person like yeah sports fans like things other than sports, right? And you know, you got it rolling with the Boston sports guy and then over to ESPN So I feel like you don't get enough credit for sort of starting it all for people like me So I wanted to say that at the top and I know people are gonna tweet me and email me and so you kiss But that's how I do. What's what's bad about complimenting somebody? I don't know is that that's that doesn't work in social media I mean, we barely have social media anymore. So it's complete chaos now in the well This is what your point though on the sports social media sports culture thing though. So when I when I had my own Whatever before I got to ESPN. I was just trying to figure out ways to stand out and I couldn't get into the locker rooms I mean I've talked about all this stuff But one of the one of the things that I felt like was an open lane was the movie stuff and the TV stuff but especially the movie stuff and I remember like I'm gonna say like the fifth or sixth column I ever wrote was I did the top 30 worst sports movies of all time I just put that up and I just got a lot of feedback for it And I think as I did a lot of trial and error and there's a lot of error and that when I was on my own The stuff that always seemed to resonate in weird ways was the pop culture stuff Like people would just go nuts, you know with all these Different different questions and things bring it up in it Like I had to think pretty early about how bad of a coach Norma Dale was and Hoosiers and people would lose their minds on that. They either like oh my god I'm so glad someone pointed this out or how dare you criticize Norma Dale So when I got to ESPN and I didn't have the Boston Security blanket anymore because I was supposed to be national. I was trying to figure out how to be national I felt like the pop culture could replace a lot of the Boston stuff. So That was the thinking so it seems like most of it worked. I guess. Yeah well, I remember when I first started reading you as the Boston sports guy all those years ago, it hooked me in was were the Was the writing about your trips to Vegas with your friends? Yes, I used to go to Vegas every year for the NCAA tournament with my friends and unless you experience that Actually, if you experience that then what you were writing. I mean, how could you not just eat that up? And I Love that you always used to write about Beverly Hills 90210, right? I feel like Yeah people don't I feel like that his show is not does not get the credit today that it deserves for what it was It's on Pluto. It has its own Pluto channel, which I think is a sign usually that you're doing pretty well, I think Sorry, I have I don't know what the hell's going on behind me. That's it's okay. But the The the thing with going back to the Vegas the first time I really wrote about that was I think March of 1999 And I had no idea if people were gonna care or not, you know, and it was like I just had this weekend It was super fun. I hung out with my friends. We made all these bets We bet at the we played blackjack to the wee hours. I feel like this is something I'm just gonna kind of send this out as a test balloon and I did a running diary of the trip and I Was shocked like people are like, holy shit, you're about Vegas Right, you know that was it was kind of the non-commercialized 90s for Vegas when we were all going but nobody really talked about it like swingers had something about it Yeah had the ending were like I'm gonna end up in Vegas That's the world's does the World Series poker belt have my name on it, whatever he says at the end But it didn't really feel like I got commercialized until that. What do you think the early 2000s? Early mid because I remember I remember my first trip ever to Vegas was Oh God, I think it was in Two it was in 2001 because it was actually a week or two before 9-eleven. Yeah, and You know back then, you know, I had no money So we stayed at the worst hotel you could stay at which was the trop and this is this is how long ago it was That's like a c-plus. I don't think that was the worst there was you could have done worse than the truck Well, let me let me let me tell you how bad the trop sports book was the you know Instead of having the Digital electrical board with the point spreads. Yeah, it was someone writing it on a dry erase board That was there. That was their board for the lines So that's why I that's why I say the chop was sort of well But I mean my friends when we used to go every year for the tournament We always stated we always went to the stardust which isn't around anymore Right. So there was a big change big change We were treasure island and I hit like all the checkpoints of Vegas like early on it was four guys to a room and Right and I used to write about this. I used to bet about the rules of sharing a bed with your buddy in Vegas I was just slept with my buddy Bish because he would roll one way I'd roll the other way and we never touched and that was just how I did it and then eventually We were making like barely enough money to now go to to a room. So each one got out now it's double beds It's just the two of us right and then when you hit like the mid-2000s all of a sudden It's like I'm getting my own room. I'm not saying that's anymore But yeah the when you're four to a room and You're in your mid-20s now and you show up on a Friday night and if you blow you have like five hundred Hours, you've devoted to the weekend or 300 or whatever and if you blow that first 300 In the first two hours on Friday night like it got dark It's and now you're just standing behind your buddies watching them play and you just hate yourself You know, you really it was it was high stakes in a lot of different ways I'm not sure there's a lower feeling in life than when you go to the ATM at a Casino after a rough stretch now, you know, you should be dollar big. Yeah. Yeah You know, you shouldn't be doing it and you just can't can't help yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Have you been to Vegas reach? I haven't been in years now like yeah, it's you know, you've been I had So different what I hear I hear it's so different now It's yeah, I mean to watch how it's changed over the last 25 years Like every restaurants there the casinos are 100 times nicer because I remember like when they built Mandalay Which I think was somewhere in the late 90s And they were like Mandalay or maybe was early 2000s It's like here we go Mandalay and then the other ones started popping up on the strip But I love the Vegas where it was, you know, the Luxor and it was like it's gonna be a pyramid But then you would go and there's like cigarette burns on the tables You know, it's kind of like a cool idea that went wrong But now they're like cool ideas that go right and when you go now It's like you can have any sort of best meal you want now. They have the sphere. They're gonna have this f1 thing I mean, this is gonna be the best six months in Vegas history because they have the Super Bowl too but I went with my son in in July and It was his first time at like a normal not little kid age. She's 15, but we went for UFC We went to summer league we saw one Benyama We had two good dinners and it was great and I was like really like proud of how Cool it is to you know, drop it out of Vegas. I should mention it was like a hundred and thirty four degrees, but right But it was really fun. It's they figured it out. They know what they're doing with Vegas. And I think the sphere is a By all accounts. I mean, do you know people have gone there that everyone's I haven't the coolest thing ever I haven't spoken to anyone who's gone there, but I saw the videos of the u2 concert there and it just looked ridiculous It was so just looked so amazing. Yeah, so they have f1 they have f1 coming up They have the in season tournament, which I think will be a thing at least for the basketball community They have the Super Bowl and then they're gonna have UFC 300. Yeah, so when you just like go on down the line It's probably the best six months in Vegas history. Maybe this will be the year Mike McD wins World Series of Poker I guess we'll say yeah Their football team could use some help though football team could use some up There's no could use some help and the Super Bowl is there this year, which should be I mean, it's gonna be bonkers What what would you say the over-under is on sports writers who get in trouble? Oh Man, I'm gonna say at least like four and a half Well now there's so many ways for sports writers to get in trouble it's like one tweet and But I think with the with the f1 Which we were there in July and they were building the track. So our cab driver. He's taking us to summer league and and He he was like, sorry, there's blood traffic cuz f1 he's like I'm like f1 Is that where they're building over there in that thing? He's like no We're on the track right now And I'm like run that the road is the track and he's and I it didn't hit me in my head that the strip is Actually, you know in the side streets are gonna be the actual track. I don't know how they're gonna do this in time for Early November, but it sounds like it's on schedule. But yeah, it's like first week of November, right? Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy Let me shift gears back to your career a little bit. I want to get into some things You probably don't love this topic But like I said, I feel like you did start at all and you're still going you're still going with the podcast Which to me is just amazing It can you believe that you still are doing this podcast I mean you were the you were the og podcaster. You were the first you started at all. I feel like sports Yeah, yeah for sports probably had one of the yeah, and here you are still doing it Still with a rabid audience. Do you ever sit back and think like wow This is this is quite a run or you don't allow yourself to think that way. I Don't really think that way. I just kind of keep going and at some point I thought when I when I did this Spotify deal, I thought maybe this would be the the last kind of room But I still feel I still like it I still feel like I'm good at it and I still feel like my audience is growing with it's weird as that is That is crazy. So for you know, I just look at it Like can I can I either be a little bit better or better than I was last year? How do I do that? What are the steps? Sometimes my issue is always if I'm taking on too much other stuff and You eventually learn how to let that not affect the stuff that's public and people can hear or read But there's been times especially like in the late 2000s I think was the first time when that was when I was doing the podcast, but we're also doing 30 for 30 And that was the first time and I had a book tour and I remember like feeling like oh shit I I didn't plan this out correctly. I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not balanced enough here So that's it's like trial and error it's like anything else you live and you learn and you remember like oh that last year when This happened. I This got screwed up. So then you just kind of apply it to the next year I feel like you're not doing as many interviews on the pot as you used to Yeah, that's intentional it's only because of I don't really like the zoom interviews. I don't feel like I Just don't enjoy them as much they're fine, but It's two reasons one is I feel like I've interviewed almost everybody I've ever wanted to talk to Right and as you know, like the first time you have a podcast with somebody It's like almost like the first date and it's always gonna be the best one and then you bring them back and it's like the second Date we had a good time in the first date. Let's see it again and you know then like somebody like Matt Damon who I've had like four or five times and then Kind of the last one for me and him to do is to also have it with Aflac and that was awesome That was probably one of the best podcasts I did this year But you know you do you only have so many of them and I found that I felt like I talked to a lot of people But we had this run in 17 18 and 19 before the pandemic Where they were coming to my office and we were right in the middle Hollywood so it was easy to get people and we were grabbing a lot of them if there was like a late night TV show or something else And and I felt like I had their undivided attention for like an hour and a half or an hour However long it was and it was great and we had so many good ones and then when the pandemic started then the celebrities started being like oh, let's just do it on zoom and then you feel like You're one of three people or five people that they talked to that day and it just didn't feel the same So we got to figure it out. The Spotify office is in downtown LA which is not as convenient as You know some of the other places so that's so in another issue So all like you mentioned that run you had with the celebrities. I remember I remember I reached out to you But after you had Julia Louie drive songs, I thought that was a tremendous interview So all those interviews the celebrities were there with you in person Yeah, every single time we got I kind of insisted on it actually or I would go if They didn't want to come in some there was a couple times where we went to them And now one of the things we learned during the pandemic Which is so stupid because we had a media company and I wish we had realized the sooner is it's easier to do stuff remotely than I think We realized our thought. Yep, and Once we kind of got over the hump with that It started I remember with KD in 2017. We did a couple on location KD interviews and I was like We're gonna do how are we gonna do this? There's gonna be echoes and you know, but the equipment's good enough now that you can basically go anywhere We did we interviewed KD after they won I think in 2017 and we did it like in the basement of the house He was staying in you know, we just like grabbed some mics and had the zoom and we were off So, you know, it's too the other problem is that I feel like all the guests have done a million interviews now Yeah, yeah, and there's it's not the same kind of vibe So for me, it's like if I'm gonna have somebody I really wanted to feel like I want to be excited about it I just want to do it because we got a celebrity are there people? That do you think there's enough people out there that would get you like is it like there? There's only one or two people who would get you excited interviewer. You think there's enough people that would get you Yeah, there's more than that. I think there's a lot of people but You know and sometimes people surprise you like some of the best ones are the ones. Yeah, you assume Oh, this would be fun. And then it's like incredible. I remember Chadwick Boseman was actually like that. I think I figured he'd be good. But then you sit down with him It's like man, that was really cool. Like what a thoughtful guy but There's been a few where you know, you think it's gonna be like a B and it ends up being an A I was fascinated by the Julia Louis Jefferson because she seemed like she really liked you. She seemed like She thoroughly enjoyed the interview. I think there were questions where she was like, wow, I never been asked that or you know That's great question. Yeah, that one kid and I thought it seems like there's like a relate when I was listening to it I'm like, wow, she's really into this like she came to play, you know Sometimes people don't come to play on a podcast. She came to play I thought on that one, which was great Well, one of the things I realized Probably like two thousand eight or nine range. I started having people that they would actually come to my house So a lot of the times sometimes we did them remotely which sucked but then other times if it was LA people and I knew them or I knew somebody who knew them or Louis knew them or whatever. They would come over and I never used notes you know, I always feel like I I'll prepare a little bit. Sometimes I had time but for the most part I really wanted to Have the feel of like I'm just talking to this person So I realized that pretty early on like around oh eight or nine like Stern does it the other way, right? Stern does it where he lays out the whole interview he's got like his outline for it and he goes from topic to topic and kind of Pushes the person that way and then gets them to say what they want I'm like, I know what I want to start with. I kind of know with the arc where I want to go with it but if it's gonna go sideways or left or right like I'm ready, I'll be able to do whatever and I think My goal with the interviews was always like I wanted the person to forget they were on a podcast So even like when we built the grant land studio in the early 2010s We built in a way that people went in there and we had cameras that didn't seem like cameras We had these cameras that almost looked like, you know lamps and they would talk and they would forget They were doing a podcast and we did it the ringer same thing We built this studio that didn't feel like a studio we did in my office so I think that was really important every time where people felt relaxed and they kind of forgot they're doing an interview And I also think like celebrities You know, they they're used to doing the late-night stuff where they have to do a pre-interview for an hour Yeah and then they have to go out and it's like Two seven minute segments and they have to tell the three stories that they all had agreed on beforehand and it's more performative Yeah, and I think that's one of the reasons podcast took off with all the guests I'm sure you've had guests that you're like man. That was cool It's you're not ever gonna get it totally on zoom. It is it's always gonna be better in person Oh a hundred percent a hundred percent, but this is the problem with interviewing a great interviewer all of my stuff with Julia Luigi, I was trying to lead up to the fact that what always fascinated me about Your interviews more than anything when I would watch them was that you had no notes Nothing not a piece of paper not an index card nothing and it I was As someone who interviews people I was just like I want to know if he's got Because I don't I don't write out questions either, but I'll just I'll write topics and bullet points. Yeah, and It blew me away that you wouldn't even have that going on So for like just for an example like a Julia Louie drives or even a Kevin Durant in the sports world What would be the prep like since you didn't use notes? So, all right, so Julie Lee Dreyfus, I was probably like four years ago, I Think I think we started it it depends what I'm trying to get out of the interview so so you want to get to the point like You want them to be relaxed? so you want to start them out on something that you know, you can just shoot the shit on and Sometimes I'll go backwards like with certain actors I would go let's go backwards and just go through your movies That was always fun for them because a lot of times they hadn't thought of some weird movie. They made in 1985 with her I think we talked there was some Larry stuff and some Seinfeld stuff and just in general what she was going on and stuff with her son and what it's like to be a mom and have to work and things like that, but then I think we went backwards and Usually if the people are comfortable and you go backwards with them They like talking about their stuff. It doesn't always work though, because I remember with Denzel it just became pretty clear and Denzel is like the one of the five most I Intimidating is the wrong word. He's just Denzel like you get almost psyched out. He's like the coolest guy on the earth He's seen everything. He's not trying to impress me. He doesn't have to impress anybody. He's done so washed in and What was interesting about him was he didn't he doesn't really think about his movies after he does them, right? but Once we talked about the he got game basketball scene He was in so I knew so like I went into that one and I'm like, alright, I know I can talk sports with him I know I could talk about his son. I know I can talk about the he got game thing because all these guys love to talk about You know the time they played an athlete and it was filmed and they actually held up held their own, right? so once he talked about that he loosened up and You know, it got good So, I mean the easiest ones are when the guy knows the game like you like Jason Bateman even before smartless I knew him a little bit and he came on it those are the easiest ones because they know how to give it back and have fun with it and But but in terms of like are you? Spending hours research like do you even bother going to a Wikipedia page? Do you even know there? I never ever go to Wikipedia page for an interview. I don't I'm DB. Yeah, it's I Don't like to have people on that. I don't want to talk to I think that's another my two goals are like I want them to have a good time, but I don't understand the interviews where the people feel like they have to Challenge them or make them uncomfortable in some way and then that was like part of well I had to do that because you were here I'm not saying you can't talk about tough stuff or You know put push into certain directions that might be a little uncomfortable and I certainly you can look through all the stuff I've done and there's been a lot of those but it's always been organic and it's not like You know, um, so that's one I want them to feel like hey, I'm glad I did that versus like You know, I never understood that style of like oh Man, we we trap that guy and he right warming like I just what it were 60 minutes like this is supposed to be like a hangout interview. Well, I think also I think a lot of times today You as an interviewer not you but the royal you can go into an interview with that mindset because I know I do that a lot And you don't think something's a big deal and the aggregators You aggregate it and you're like, wow, I didn't think listen when I do this. I know what's gonna get picked up Yeah, you know I had bucking Aikman on last week and you know Joe had talked about not he's never doing baseball again. I said, okay well I could see people picking that up but like Joe had a line in there about how he Fox didn't like the way he used Mike Pereira when he was there and a website Picked that up and I was like, I didn't even think that was you know So I think a lot of times people can call in with good intentions and then it's that one sentence you get pulled and off You go. Yeah, I don't love that stuff. But you know, sometimes when the person says it they kind of know it's gonna happen I also feel like well you guys screwed with the jailing green thing Which I defended you on in a column because usually I and usually I don't care but then there's a couple times a year when Something gets pulled out of context and you feel like alright, this is not right I'm gonna say something on this one, but for the most part it's it shit is what it is You know if you you know, basically the way it goes down is you'll scroll through Twitter and someone will tweet like oh bill Simmons said fuck jailing green and and it's my head lies. Yeah Yeah, and my head just the way my brain works is okay So if he said that on his podcast, I have to listen to it because if you just see the words fuck jailing green Yeah, it could go 20 different ways and how someone means that so you have to listen to them when I listen to it I was like, how can anyone listen to this and not realize the way he said it But the people who were writing it didn't listen to it so I know that's that but that's one of the things I love about podcasts is there's real nuance with it and The audio is usually gonna back you up, you know Like you can you can write something and it can get pulled out and misinterpreted or whatever But the audio you can tell from the town. I'm sorry the tone Whether people are laughing whether it sounds like they're having fun with it But in general like with that the stuff the aggregator stuff the stuff that gets pulled out It's it's pretty small those blogs I just don't think they matter I think it matters when it's a basketball when it's somebody like win horsed, right? he's doing a podcast and he has an Intel on stuff and Like let's say let's say he thinks Zion Williamson like hey, maybe he's not long. This is an example hypothetical for the aggregate a Maybe Zion Williamson isn't long for New Orleans and you're in a podcast and we're talking like we're talking now and you want it to Sound like a conversation out with your friends and I said to you I'm being winhorse like I don't know How long Zion's in New Orleans? Like I it feels like that might be at the end of the road The moment winhorse says that that's on hoops hype that becomes a story ESPN commentator thinks Zion's at the end of the road, but then if you listen to the nuance of it, he's saying like Yeah, I don't know. This is year five like, you know, would they move on from them? Maybe I don't know I'm not reporting this but you can just pull out that one thing and then people can get a day of content The other thing that's happened. This isn't podcast related But with the media is just now people are putting their tidbits out the intentional ones to start news cycles I was talking about this last year on Mondays. It's like I call it. It's it's the opposite of the Friday news dump It's like the Monday news starter and that's when they'll put out there and Donovan Mitchell Might not be as happy in Cleveland as we think and it's always like Monday at 10 o'clock I am and then that can start the two-day cycle So a lot of is about either trying to stop a cycle from starting or trying to start the cycle In a way that you can blow it up I have a great story for you that you'll appreciate based on what you were talking about the window the window horse example Yeah, because I know you're a Mike Francesca guy so you'll like you'll like this you'll like this story So remember this was years ago, probably five six years ago when he had the app for $8.99 a month Do you remember it was shortly? I unfortunately do remember this. Yes okay, so I had Andrew Marchand of the New York Post on the pod and We're talking about Mike and then I'm like, you know, he's charging what Netflix charges like It's just you know, it's comical and and Marchand goes yeah, like, you know, let's say he has 300 subscribers That's you know, this this and this and okay, so the pocket goes out no one thinks anything of it and like two days later Mike gets on the fan and Destroys Marchand and he's like, how dare you say I have three he goes. All right. Listen, I'll tell you this I Got more than 300 subscribers and I'm like, how did he even hear like what the hell is going on? So that was a clip but I mean I loved it because it came from my podcast that Mike's going nuts about it So that was a it's so fun. It's so funny when the thing it's like a game of telephone I said this thing last year during the playoffs Or after the playoffs when the Suns got Bradley Beal and I I was talking on the podcast about I was like look Like I just don't think if you replace Landry shaman with Bradley Beal, I think the series is the same They couldn't stop Denver like Bradley Beal wasn't helping their defense. Denver was still gonna stay I would have lost the series. So I had a friend in my life a Phoenix fan who was like, dude What was that thing? You said on your podcast about how Bradley Beal isn't better than Landry shaman and I'm like what? He's like, yeah, and so then I google it and of course, it's on like some Sun's reddit or something this idiot He thinks they're just shame. It's as good as breathy peel. I'm like that is totally not what I said I was saying if Bradley Beal is in that series instead of Landry shaman They still lose to the Nuggets because the Nuggets they couldn't stop Jokic, right? but it's stuff like that where you either have to decide do I want to get mad at this or can just this stuff's gonna Happen every week and just let it go and who cares so I'm in the who cares camp Got enjoy all your favorite sports like never before with bet MGM sign up using code champion and receive up to $1,500 back in bonus bets if you don't win your first bet when you register with bet MGM You'll get instant access to a variety of parlay selection features live betting options player props and the best daily Promotions in the business and with bet MGM at your fingertips every play and every game matter more than ever Place your money line prop and parlay bets with the king of sportsbooks today bet MGM and game sense reminds you to play Responsibly and offer resources to help you make appropriate choices Bet MGM comm for T's and C's 21 plus to wager Virginia only new customer offer all promotions are subject to qualification and eligibility Requirements rewards issued as non withdrawal of all bonus bets bonus bets expire seven days from issuance Please gamble responsibly gambling problem. 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Yeah Yeah, I've always I just want to know how do you look back on your time at ESPN? Because I saw I'll say this because I always feel like there are certain people there's not a lot But there are certain people in sports media. You're one of them Who I feel like just cannot work for a company that's tied in with wings like you just can't do it because you Want to be honest about what you're seeing and if you're working for a company that's got deals with the NBA and the NFL It's tough. So even when you were there that whole time, I'm like, let's see how he walks the tightrope So I'm curious how you look back on it Super proud I think I was there for 14 years and I feel like I elevated that place and just a slew of ways and That's it. I don't think that's bragging. Like I think I think I look back at the ESPN experience. I'm like I fucking killed it for those guys. There's no question and that's it I had the biggest column they ever had the biggest book they ever had the biggest podcast ever had and they co-created 3430 and that created great land and I did TV stuff I did all kinds of things for them and it was all in a 14 year span and I'm really proud of it Like I don't have bad blood for ESPN. I look at that. It's like that place elevated me and I elevated them So you people want to aggregate that that's fine, but that's how I feel do you regret calling Goodell a liar? No, cuz he lied, I mean he the Ray Rice thing go look like he wasn't being honest about it. So, you know Look that that was a complicated situation a whole bunch of ways and it was nine years ago and you know Anybody I was even dealing with at the time and yes pin in 2014. I don't think one person is There at a higher-up scale, you know, cuz people ask me like you're still a bad boy with ESPN I'm like, I don't anyone and that was in the decision-making spot when I was there. They're not there anymore and For some of the reasons are because they probably weren't that good other reasons are they moved on somewhere else? But you know, I I know Jimmy and Burke's a Holy Cross guy. Like I know those guys. I like those guys, right? It's just that's it right there though. You can't call Goodell a liar if you're working for a company that I'm not even today that is tied in with the NFL so like for you like you had to go out on your own just to get the Your fans could get the full Bill Simmons experience. That's how I feel. I know but I still and I've said this before That was still slightly a mistake on my part that podcast, you know, and I I wish You know, we it was a Monday. We were racing to get it up and I think it just was too contentious I could have made all you don't regret it. You said I don't regret what I said about Goodell. I'm saying we could have made like two small edits that would have made it just as impactful and not turned it into a me vs ESPN story because I thought what I was saying about Goodell was really important I also had all these Grantland people that I really cared about and I think that was the piece that From the minute it started going that was the part that bothered me because we had like I don't know 45 50 people we really were proud of all the stuff we were doing and I We were just in such a good spot and that was like the last thing we needed I was right about Goodell, but should I have gone as far as I should have I don't know I wish like in retrospect To put people that worked with me, you know, then they're stressed out. They're like is he give seeing he have fired If he gets fired as was this site gonna exist like that. That's just stuff like that's where you you know As you get older and I'm now officially old like I'm my mid fifties, but Sometimes you can learn lessons even when you're in your mid forties Like is this worth it or what are you trying to accomplish by doing this? How far do you want to go and what what is the collateral damage? And I think my mistake with that one was not Not seeing in the moment the possible collateral damage Yeah Now one thing I that came up when I did research which I had forgotten about I remembered it after I saw it I forgotten about at the time and I remember thinking I said this at the time and I'll say it again. I Can't think of anything more degrading for a person who's in a high-level position Then calling an adult and saying you're suspended from Twitter But you had gotten suspended from Twitter at one point what I can't here's what I want to know about that I wonder what is that phone call like like you have this executive in his 50s or 60s probably calling you like bill You're suspended from Twitter I mean, could you really really just are you serious with that? I mean how pathetic Well Twitter was at a different point of Twitter where I think they were a little fearful of you have to remember what ESPN was like For basically the first four decades, right? It was like ESPN was the platform they controlled everything the only time you heard from talent was when they were on ESPN or if they gave an interview to somebody or like Jim Miller's book that was it and all-of-a-sudden Twitter especially early days of Twitter when people were you know, I Mean some of the oh, seven oh eight or nine tweets that people had are like insane when you look back And it was just different. It was almost like a giant message board with no consequences. And I think they were having a real Real trouble trying to figure out how to police it. So I think I got suspended twice. The first time was oh nine When I was doing my book tour and one of the local stations this guy that I couldn't stand was taking shots I just I just fired back with both barrels and then they were like, hey lay off Twitter a couple days. I'm like fine the second time though was the first was the first take thing and That was one too where I really felt like my heart was in the right place and I don't regret what I said But on the other hand like my friend Horowitz was producing first take at the time It turned into this whole thing of the way it got aggregated. It was really instructed to me instructive to me But I still felt like I was right like, you know I really genuinely cared about elevating that place and if you look at this stuff, especially from oh nine to 2015 that I did I was trying to make that place great. Like I really felt like I was in the 27 Yankees and I wanted us to be great and I saw something like that where they just pitted Richard Sherman against skip Bayless So Richard Sherman could just kind of lay into him for ten minutes and I'm like, what is this? This isn't is this what we want to be as a company and now you think ten years later like, you know the Part of it is what they want to be as a company because now if something like that happened It would immediately be leading the front page is pin calm It'll be like Sherman lays in the skip Bayless and you know They kind of dabble in that stuff in a much more aggressive way than they did. Yeah, is it wild to you to see now? ESPN letting their personality I mean what Stephen a Smith does is Wild like he's on first take but then he has his own podcast where he's you know salivating over the Bachelorette's and giving out dating advice and obviously now they have McAfee it yeah I mean, this is not your this is not your dad's ESPN anymore. Is it wild to you to see the the transformation? It's wild and it isn't because I think when your business is changing and you don't know how it's changing and how to Necessarily keep winning You start taking bigger chances and bigger gambles and right now one of the gambles they're making is to build around big personalities You know when I was there it was a combination especially like the last five six years. It was a combination of what's lock in big people, but also let's really try to develop talent and Let's try like you look back at the people we had at Grantland the first Four years, right just Grantland as an example because there were others because ride home found a bunch of people and you know We were finding talent all over the place. But Grantland the people we had looking back. It's fucking nuts, you know just 10 12 13 people who ended up becoming much bigger names and whether it was writing or on TV or video or podcasts whatever We really cared about that skipper cared about that as a company and I think ESPN from a development standpoint It seems less focused on it now part of that can be you don't have the people who are good at finding up becoming talent I think that's something that Grantland and the ringer like I feel like we've been the best at And maybe they maybe they just aren't as focused on it or they don't have the right people But it becomes you become a baseball team where you become like the Steinbrenner Yankees where you're like, you know, we're a win-free agency Yeah, and it's smart, you know, they have a like the Buck Aikman thing was brilliant This Manning cast has worked out really well for them So they're spending their money on smart things for the most part, but it's it feels a little different Yeah, do you I mean listen everyone knows you as the diehard Celtics diehard pager Are you would you consider would you consider yourself a sports media nerd? Do you like following all this stuff with the broadcasters and the radio shows and the hot take shows? Do you do you follow that extremely closely do you get into that sample? Well, I I like Let's start here NFL announcers You have your favorites and the people like some people which blows me away will say like oh I you know I don't pay attention to the announcers or the announcers don't affect my enjoyment or non enjoyment of a I'm like I don't know where you're coming from because like I can give you something on every NFL announcer Yeah, so let's start with that. You have a favorite crew in the NFL I'll tell you that Brian Curtis is probably listening this right now and laughing because he's the person I text about announcers all the time I do love this stuff. But I mean I this was in my DNA from when I had my column 25 years ago Yeah, I have a lot of announcer thoughts the studio show stuff I'm just confused by it was one of the reasons we created the wise guys show for FanDuel TV because we're like There's no studio show for people like me that like football They put the CBS one as six people this year, which I think is hilarious. I've done those shows Four is like a lot you can do it you need a traffic cop or you need to be able to really share the ball but four is kind of the max when it when it was five and It's like a four minute five minute segment. It just doesn't work and I think The you could say this for podcasting too. I think part of the problem with content is Most of the people that decide how to do content aren't people that ever did content, right? So they're like we have this five-person your CBS with this five-person studio show That's a lot of people we can get JJ. Why? Well, he's great. We got to get him Well, who are we gonna bump from the show nobody and then you just now you have six people And all that does is tell me that nobody who is in charge of that has ever done Anything TV podcast anything because the six-person show is like literally impossible. So I enjoy this stuff like that It's funny to me that the same mistakes are made over and over again We're like we learned from Jerome Bettis is a good example. I think Jerome Bettis should have been good on TV They took Jerome Bettis. He retired they threw him on a studio show right away And this is what happens over and over again the people they have no training They have no reps at all and they're just kind of thrown into the fire. I've done that stuff I got thrown on PTI in 2009 I was fucking terrified in Kornheiser who's like one of my favorite people ever lived like right he threw me on his back and he carried me for four Days, I was terrified. I didn't know what camera to look at I didn't know how I was doing and they're telling me like you're doing great. You're doing great I'm like, I know I'm not doing great When did you feel like you got comfortable doing it? How long did it take you to where you were? NBA show the countdown I got I felt like I remember I went back and I did PTI three months before I left ESPN and I had gotten a whole bunch of reps at that point from countdown and especially like the first season in countdown we went hostless which was really fun is the way honestly the way they should do those shows and I ended up will bond would take us in but I would end up doing bringing us in and out and I kind of learned How to do TV during that season which was weird because it was on television, you know with massive audience But I got reps so I went back and I was like, I really want to do PTI again Because I don't think corn has her knows that I know how to do this down, right? So the first day we did it and I was like I brought it like I was like I was like a game seven For him that I'm gonna be fucking good on this PTI and he was kind of surprised like I could see it And then after the show, he's like wow that was totally different and We were doing a Tuesday show too. And I and now I know corn eyes and I'm like, I know he's gonna bring it tomorrow No, I got to be more ready. So we did the Tuesday show and it was great It was like as good of a PTI as you're gonna have and we were just like back and forth boom boom boom And it was the exactly how you should do it But do you feel like it almost? It made sense them for them to throw you on in the beginning when you were terrified and you had no experience It's almost like you needed it to start out that way in a way. Oh, no, my theory on this is yes I think for for something repetitive shows like that. Yes, because you have to get the rep somehow, right? um, I think when you're an athlete coming off You know the field or the court and you're just getting thrown on a studio show with people who have been doing it forever I said we saw this was Shaq Shaq seemed to Unrecoverable after the first year if you remember he got thrown in with Barkley and Kenny and Ernie and he was terrible and I think even Shaq would probably admit now that he was terrible and it took I would say three years for them to figure out what to do with him and vice versa, but that's the thing with with Reps and and you have to have so much time to fee especially if your stuff doesn't work right away Or the show doesn't work or whatever Sometimes it takes years. Like I watched it happen with Kimmel. It took it took him all four years five years To be good at hosting his own show and I think even he would admit that now he's good at certain things But he didn't know how to save jokes when they didn't work He he wasn't standing in front of the audience. Like if you watch the tape of him in 2004 versus now It's a different guy, but he got the reps and he figured out what he needed to do and I think with sports We don't think about that enough They'll just like we're throwing this person in and you'll have the rare successes like Greg Olsen But most of the time you won't that's why I think it's brilliant that Brady is taking the year off Before he goes to Fox ten years off and you see so you're in the camp that he's not doing it Yeah, it's a growing camp. We have we have supplies for a couple years and we have Campers and RVs and I yeah, I would I was Sam I would make a wager that he does it in starting in September if you want to wager He's gonna do this gonna be one of those things that gets aggregated Simmons says Brady will never do Fox Definitely cuz I had Troy on last weekend Troy's like I spoke to Tom. He's definitely doing it So I had I'll believe it when he's doing it because the way it happened cuz he's there He's if you listen to his show on serious He's there every week watching these games studying everything like he's preparing for this job So I think he's listen something happened And if something happens in his personal life who knows with you know, he's kids He wants to be a dad arena. Sheik wants him to move I don't know, but I think as of now, he's definitely doing it and I think he's preparing hard to do it the reason I'm dubious is because When they announced it it was right where the Fox I'm friends see this is how you know I follow some the bigger picture. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was that Fox up prints up front stuff And they kind of needed something extra and it was like we've signed Brady and here's the number and I don't even think the deal was done, I think they just wanted a Brady thing to announce and Everybody I knew in the Brady circles was like wow can't believe they announced that this isn't even and then of course He didn't end up doing the first season. So that made me think how real was this so I don't know I that guy's got a great life and Ultimately, it's 22 Sundays a year. You have to prepare you have to fly to different places. I know they're flying in private, but But we'll see how it goes. I am do be I think he wants to be around football I don't think he ever wants to be away from the game. That's why I think he's gonna do it, too Well, then you end up like John Elway though, and you end up being like a GM or something, right? Or like an owner. Oh, he doesn't want to do that. That's wait That's way more work than you know sitting there with Kevin. I want to do it either. Oh, let's get paid meeting Right, where do you stand on where Romo is in the year of the Lord? 2023 it's so funny. You say that because every week now when I watch a Romo game I'm watching it like is he really as bad as everyone's saying now? Like I I think a lot of the Rome I think a lot of is is a pile-on thing with Romo The thing about Tony is he's going to be different than everyone else. You're not gonna get The Greg Olsen Chris Collins worth Troy Aikman thing from Tony. It's just never gonna happen Either you like that. Here's what I wish he would do. I I wish He would Not tone it down. That's not the right. I wish he'd be a little more careful when he declares something like he there was I don't know if it was last week or You know, I think it's the second quarter and I'll say like this is the game right here. It's a huge boy Jim huge boy Tony save that for like five minutes left in the fourth quarter if you just did that But I there's a hyperbole with Tony that I think is I is getting worse but I think Tony got screwed because I see some people at CBS went to him and said stop doing the predictions and That right screwed up his whole thing. If you remember you I'm sure you remember it because it was the pain that he was amazing Yeah, the Patriot chief AFC title game was he was insane. He called every play. He's like a witch Assholes on Twitter alike spoilers. Listen, it's not a movie jerk-off relax. It's not spoilers It's a it's a sporting event. So I think someone got in his head for sure I think he you know, that was a big thing with him now. He's trying not to do it He's trying to compensate and he's a little all over the place. It's funny We don't but Buck and Aikman are clearly the best team now. So they are it's so far and away now Yeah, I said that we've had moments like this with football where? There was just clearly a best team, but I would not have They'd been around for a while, you know, and I felt like Everyone was trying to replace them with somebody else I think as you know I think back to the stuff that I used to write in the 90s and 2000s like I used to love making fun of announcers because That you're stuck with them for three hours and very rarely you're gonna be completely happy about it You know and it was always like you get to know their tics like Sal And I always we tease about Collins worth on our on my podcast I like Collins worth but he's also been in my life for 16 17 years, you know all the ticks You know all the gimmicks, you know, all the things he's gonna do I'm sure people feel that way about me who've been listening to me for years, you know all the running jokes You know how things you know, I'm probably gonna say this So I think one of the one of the obstacles announcers have is the longer they go when they're in your life You just start to get tired of them I felt that way with Van Gundy who I thought was great But at some point it becomes like this family member where you're like god damn it enough about the refs, man Like but see they're gonna they're probably gonna replay this block and charge like just take a chill pill for two seconds so yeah, but hey, I think by the way, I think basketball is in worse shape than football now with the We'll see if it gets fixed this year because they changed some teams But I thought last year was one of the worst announcing years we've had well baseball's in the worst shape by far Since job, I don't even know how you fix baseball exactly like there's no I don't there's literally like at least with the NBA We know it Mike Breen is the voice of the NBA MLB there is no voice of Major League Baseball none. It's a problem I don't know how they fix it because I don't either you can't gear it toward the casual fans because Baseball has the most psychotic hardcore fans you have right but you can't nerd it up either because then you lose the casual fans You can't make it too entertaining but then like the baseball and that's and that we grew up with was I Was almost like this alternate language where you know, they'd be like Jimmy there's So-and-so's up you remember his uncle. It's a hell of a third baseman on the Indians and then you would say like oh, yeah I remember watching the 1978 ALCS three four five and game four All two to Johnson, you know, and it's just like this. It's like who is this for? What is this conversation? I think the other the other problem baseball has is You're with your local announcers for 162 games Then they go away then they go away and you have the national announcers. I mean and especially now I feel like I Mean the local announcers in baseball like you'd said before up with the announcers I mean if you think Chris Collins were at this party family like the local baseball announcer who's like here in New York Like John Sterling like right is a cult figure now, you know Boston has it everywhere has it in with your local and then You get to the most important best part of the season They're gone and here at national guys who don't know anything about your team Yeah, you think like if you're talking about where stuff's going. I do think the alternate broadcast thing is Gonna become a bigger deal because they don't even know how to measure stuff anymore, right? I mean ESPN did a press release about McAfee show and it's like I got this many whatever and I'm like I don't know what that means because he was already big on YouTube His rating for whatever time slot he was in at ESPN is not as high as the old show But then you could you could basically twist the numbers around and say whatever you want and make it seem successful But I just don't know what the metric is and I don't think they do either so if that's the case give us like four teams like Monday Night Football in the main and cast man cast is like It feels bigger than it is and like when I did it a million people mentioned it to me, right? But it's still less than two million people Yeah, and the game itself can get between like 15 and 19 million people Yeah but for the most part it's good to have the man and cast and it doesn't matter if it takes away a little from the Monday Night Football because it's all part of the same bowl of soup, right? And I don't understand why especially baseball like if that's a sport where it's like a Astros fans Do you want to hear your own announcers for the for this playoff game with the same? Camera graphics all that stuff, but it would be your announcer It's like I'm sure you would sign up for that for the Yankees, right? Of course, absolutely But that's the thing about baseball They're always like they'll do that in 20 years probably like no Do the pitch clock they did it. Oh, yeah, it took them forever I mean actually the basketball is the slowest sport now, right? Tell me I want to get back to tell me why you think the NBA is in trouble with the announcers Give me give me something Last year was a bad year and I think I think they had to fix some stuff and I think Doc's gonna be great We'll see three men three man boosts in general. I think are really hard and I've done basketball where I've done I've been a two-man and a three-man and the two-man was so much more fun because The play-by-play guy talks a lot or play-by-play woman whoever it is They talk a lot like that's a high usage rate because it's it's kind of going and going and then there's a stop Or You know the change of possession or there's some way and then you'd kind of as the color person you figure out how to jump In and pick your spots. There's three people now. I got to worry about was this guy gonna jump in here So they're talking in your headset and they're telling you and it it just feels a little less organic Which is why the teams that have been together for a long time. They have a better flow TNT will just be like we've Selected three people that have never done a game together and they will now do the Western Finals, you know, which is crazy Well, I said they always it they added Stan Van Gundy with Harlan and Reggie Miller. Yeah. Yeah bad idea I think I think doc is gonna be excellent because people don't remember how good he was. He was good Yes, he was really good. And I think the JJ RJ team I'm excited for that because I thought JJ showed some real flashes last year So we'll see I it's weird to me That there's no Incredible color guy That's a games 100% dead-on. I've always said like because I said When ESPN for some reason let Jeff go like yeah I mean, I think I know why they let him go like they'll said kills the refs all the time Well, and they also it allowed them toss to get rid of mark who I think I think that was a double barrel Yeah, where it's like we bring in doc we get rid of those two But I think that was that was a whole chessboard they were putting together but they so you I'm with you. I don't like the three-person booth, but you would think a natural fit would be Harlan with Jeff and Stan and they can play up the brothers thing Oh the NBA that that would be over out of Silver's dead body. Yeah happening. Yeah, I'll get aggregated. Damn it I'm up to your aggregations. You're not see well, you know my story I was supposed to do countdown with Stan right and Stern squashed it because he didn't want to Vang How these are ESPN that's a real thing that happened. So that's how Jalen got in there Why didn't they want to Van Gundy's on? What's the logic Stern just thought they complained about the league too much? I See and I said this when they fight Jeff and Gandhi loves the NBA He's like an NBA lifer guys out there on the court dragging his body on the lonzo mornings leg He loves the NBA it's a ridiculous stance to take so when you did countdown Yeah, was there ever I'm curious if there was ever talk or whether it was unspoken like Listen, no matter what we do We're not inside the NBA and it sucks or did people not think that way I'm always curious because to me with whoever is doing an ESPN pregame or halftime or countdown whatever it's called Like you're never gonna be number one no matter what and that's got to be tough It's peak. Well, I was really interested in being under the hood of it because When I decided to do it, I was really excited about it because I felt like we had a chance You know We were doing it on Grayland and we felt like we were at the forefront of this new way people are talking about basketball in a bunch of different ways and it was like we can bring that to the show we can make people smarter and and we can just You know, we we're not gonna be better than inside the NBA They're the best show ever but we can still be good. Yeah, and the thing that was just alarming Was how short the segments were right and I've talked about this in my podcast But people don't understand how short it is and watch the half-times. I made Curtis I badgered him to the just about how annoying it was that I think he ended up writing about it when you're about the finals The half-times were like two minutes. Yeah, you know, it's like by the time you bring everyone in you're like I'm here Jimmy and Which think the half and what happens is people just go in a circle and you say your 22nd thing it goes to the next person next person and then they're throwing it back and it's like that's not a show That's just people trading You know takes that they have they're not listening. You could be sitting next to somebody and say anything They're not listening because they're thinking about what they're about to say. So My my take like leaving that first season was like this is there's no way this will never this can never be good the way We're doing it and then they talked me to do in the second year and it was worse If you're in charge of ESPN, who would be your what would be your panel for NBA countdown? ideal ideal pound how many people and who would it be because like you said if you're gonna give people two minutes why do you Need I mean all you need really is two people But what would if you're if you're in charge of your Jimmy Patara, what do you do a countdown? I would actually go the other way and just kind of lessen the significance of it because You're building toward the Western finals in the finals Although they did one thing they did with the conference finals was they're doing one hour shows finally That was something we really fought for like ten years ago but I don't know how you you build up to the finals and then throw away the finals and basically the commercials become more important than the finals you spend makes so much money and Everyone's going nuts that ESPN. Oh my god, what's going on ESPN? It's like you're talking about a company that used to make like ten billion a year That's gonna now make six like there's not making a shitload of money It's just they were the ATM for Disney right and they need the ATM to have as much cash in as possible so they're grabbing commercials anywhere they want but in terms of ideal studio shows like I personally think Stephen a should be first take like I think that's their most important daily show and um He's the meal ticket of that show and he's super important He's great at what he does and I just wouldn't have him on multiple platforms like that I think it kind of reduces the effect of everywhere. He goes. I really like Dwayne Wade. I thought Dwayne Wade I think he's Unfortunately, and this is one of the problems for MBA These guys make so much money that it's not worth it for them to do TV Dwayne Wade made hundreds of millions of dollars. So it's like oh cool now I get to be You know part of ESPN studio show but I think I think you need real weight Myers will be interesting I'm still dubious how much he's gonna say because You know, he's gonna want another job next year and right you saw this happen with Danny H 20 years ago Danny was doing TV and he was really good as a color guy But he took a couple shots at people and then he got the Celtics job But one of the people you take it shots out was Anton Walker and then I was like, oh shit. I Was just talking shit about you during a playoff game two months ago now I'm your GM, so I'm always worried when somebody wants to coach again or be a GM I don't you think I think Doc's gonna Doc's gonna want to be a coach So we'll have to see how he navigated first of all, Doc can't hold back, right? I just can't he's too honest But I also think he might be done Get a feel of this life this year and I think I could just see him being like wow That's gonna deal with people like James Harden. See I thought there I thought the ESPN plan was Used Doc for a year till till he goes back into coaching and JJ reddick's gonna get that job That's what I thought the master plan was that would be I don't think they couldn't have put JJ there yet It would have looked bad, but I think that's what they're gonna do I I know we've gone an hour by I got to ask you about gambling and the 30 for 30s If you don't mind sticking around a little long. Yeah. Yeah, let's go. Okay. Did you ever think I'm gonna ask you Did you ever think we'd see ESPN where you know Steven a and Pat Mac if you do whatever they want That's nothing compared to what we've seen in the gambling explosion I mean, did you ever think now listen? They haven't gone full-born because I still think it should be talked about during games But just the fact that they put lines on the scroll, you know, all the fandom I now the fan doing trafficking stuff. They're making money off that but did you ever think as someone who was Writing about gambling, you know before anyone we'd get to where we are now because it's it's really I'm blown away by it personally Interesting. I could see it the movement happening did I ever think they would be would have Matt Bellamy call them this week Dave Portnoy sloppy seconds with the That's about Bellany wrote this week in his newsletter. Dave Portnoy sloppy seconds with their betting app. I thought that was funny No when you go back to Let me put the lines in the column right right I had that when I was you know two years Just to convince them. Hey, I want to write this picks column. I used to love Ice there was a couple different picks columns. I love but when I was growing up, I love Pete Axsom He wrote this gambling conference inside sports for a couple years and it was that was one of the things I was like someday I'm gonna gamble like Pete Axsom as a Boston guy. Did you get wind of Steve Serby's column in the poll? Yeah, I used to buy the post on Fridays Beats before them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah We had some pick stuff and but I was I always cared and I always felt like if I ever have my column someday I'm gonna write a Friday and do pick all the games and do that So anyway, I think I was the first one who had the spreads on dot-com, but they never they were like hey tone it down But as it as the 2000s developed it became more and more of a thing But then when Sal and I started doing guess the lines which was o7 That was a whole thing built around gambling and people loved it So yeah, I feel like they eventually caught up fantasy and gambling were the two like I used to do fantasy stuff I would write maybe one two pieces a year and I remember the first time it was like August 2001 I was doing a fantasy football preview and they were like, what are you writing about this week? I was like doing a fantasy football doing like an idiot's guide to fantasy football I think that's what it was They're like you write about fantasy football because the attitude was like it's like Dungeons and Dragons shit Like don't yeah, nobody wants to read that. I'm like people want to read this. So I did that I did a running diary my fantasy draft. So gambling fantasy I was on the ground for of it, but I always felt like it was people like you and me That's what we cared about But I never thought I'd see like on an NFL pregame show where they're like Here's you know, bloomer's license parlay of the day. Like I never thought the NFL would get to that point even I know It's wild they do it on TNT. They cut into the middle It's like it's like three minutes left in the first quarter and they cut to like Barkley and Ernie Johnson studio bark He's like, here's my fan duel. I'm like, I can't believe this is it? That's what I mean by did you ever think it would get to this level? I Know actually I didn't yeah, I think Gambling has hit a point on the mainstream stuff where it was like fantasy 12 years ago when they were trying to awkwardly shoehorn fantasy into The content right and they would say You know the and like boomer would be on this decision. Oh, that's good for Tom's fantasy team, you know and they you just tell it like they were like I'm trying to be hip with my fantasy reference, right? But now it feels organic when people do fantasy. Yeah Yeah, the gambling feels the same. We're like, oh Somebody's happy with that cover, but you can tell they don't care right Barkley to me Like I feel like he's betting on all this stuff like oh, I know that to me. It's legitimate with him It was funny hearing Jalen do it because I knew he didn't care So Jalen's like here am I so-and-so single-game parlay props? I'm like, I know you don't care about this, but I think there are people that are degenerates like us absolutely, and I hate the the argument because I'll say like like I think if a game is 2723 and the spread is Four and a half and a team is driving like I think they should flash something on the screen Whenever I say that I always get do you know it's only like 1% of the audience that cares about I'm like, okay Well, let's see it. First of all, I don't think that's true. But let's say that is true who gives a shit cater to that audience Al al Michaels was the best at this forever Hitting at oh, there's some people who are very happy that that field goal missed and he was always talking this code And that's one of the reasons we love down Michaels I think it's funny like when people don't realize about just how shit happens in life Is how much happens because somebody noticed something their kids? Either liked or was doing and if you read like I think it was Wall Street Journal wrote this huge piece about How ESPN did the ESPN bet thing, right? Right, right. I read it in that piece and it was in there twice was how Bob Iger who was anti gambling anti gambling anti gambling I have a Story about him getting mad at me once about something that I'm not going to tell because it'll get aggregated What a tease that's ridiculous. I would do that but in that story It said he became fascinated when he noticed his two adult sons Were on a gambling app all the time watching games and that was when he told Jimmy Hey, maybe we should get into this and I was like, that's hilarious It took that your two kids using a gambling app for you realize because that they should have been they blew this They should have been in the forefront. They should have bought draft Kings Years ago, they should have been on the ground for they're way late and I think that I really think they've handled it badly and that's why they got into bed with McAfee because Their kids were like going to the I think was maybe it might have been Burke Magnus or someone else Oh, my kids love McAfee I kept hearing about McAfee from my kids and now there's McAfee now if you were interviewing you and you said I have a story But I'm not gonna tell it. How would you handle it? Would you try to push you to get the story out that sadness like a sad look on my face and Some disappointment. I Really? I had a good relationship with Agra though and until the tail end when also that was on my way out but I always thought he was a genuine sports fan and I really do think he cared about like elevating all the different pieces of the company, which I think You know that that's something that seems to be a start in a bunch of different places, you know, right where if you're just looking at I look at like how the athletic when those guys came in and they were like We're gonna fucking destroy Newspapers and there's not gonna be a newspaper standing and then they sold out as fast as they could you know and then times by the athletic and then they basically dump everybody in their sports section replace them with the athletic which I don't know how that's possible when you have a union but But I think about shit like that where it was like those guys they built that whole thing just so they could sell it They didn't care about you know Is is this gonna go down a bad road or people are lots of people gonna lose jobs stuff like that It was just about we can turn this into something if if that starts happening in content all over the place. We're in trouble it I always I mean I've been At SI writing a daily column since oh seven and then the pie and I always feel like I always get these like I Feel like there's these times or like this is a weird time or like something like something's going on or like it's something's got a change I'm in that time now like I feel like But you know all the aggregation there's five billion podcasts I don't know how they exist and everyone wants to move to YouTube and video video video I'm like, I feel like we're in a time that's a little fuzzy and like something's got a you know Twitter's a disaster and I know There's been things the last couple weeks like all these news organizations that traffic's down because Twitter's not bringing it in anymore I feel like right now is a time where it's a little murky and something's gonna happen well, I think that thing that's scary to me as somebody who You know has been in charge of content stuff for a while now dating back to Grandland It's it's where are the young people gonna come from like the next generation and have their own tick-tock. It's How do you scout them? How does somebody like me scout them? How do you find? How do you find somebody that you think has potential there's way less outlets for writing There's a million kajillion podcasts the YouTube stuff like the Sun the stuff that my son likes I'm always like kind of stunned by or it's just somebody like on YouTube Shouting out his top ten dunks. But these are the people that he knows and I'm like, what does that mean? So those people? my son's gonna be 23 and 8 years are these the people he's gonna be consuming as a young adult. I agree with you I think it's the murkiest that's ever been it felt very Even all the way through the 2000s into the first part of the 2010s It felt like there was some sort of infrastructure in place. I by the way, I'm not scared of this This is the way life goes cuz yeah, yeah, I thought this way in the late 90s with the internet Yep, where it was like no Newspapers and magazines. This is what we have to have in local TV shows and the internet that that's scary That's this wild wild west. It'll never work. So I'm I'm not against it. I just think how do you find talent? How do you elevate it? How do you teach them right from wrong? How do you find people to manage that talent? How do you elevate them? How do you do that? I talked about this when I was at Bloomberg last week How do you have an office culture if people aren't coming in the office every day? Like I'm sure you don't even have an office anymore Yeah, Wendy when you started out you're going to an office every day, right every day every day You have like three mentors that you talk to and you learn shit from Yeah, who were the memories? well when I mean when I first started I was like an editorial assistant I did nothing right then when I when I started having a column I Got more from like someone like you and someone and I would I would see I saw what was going on With the convergence of like pop when you were an editorial assistant, nobody took you under your under their wing or anything I wouldn't say nobody took me under my wing. Yeah, I learned from like the right like dad you met you remember dr Z of course. Oh my god, I both sold books Okay, so the normal thinking man's and the new thinking man's I I always used to say this one of my first jobs at SI Was I was dr. Z's bitch. That was my job. I remember you talking about this, but dr Z was a huge guy that was like an important job. But here's the thing. He didn't know anything about the internet Yeah, he wrote for the internet and he was Phenomenal. Yeah at writing for the internet, but he didn't know anything and when I say he didn't know about it This is what I mean. He would write a mailbag every week Okay, everyone's you know, it was like the first thing people on the internet did was write a mailbag He didn't know how to get emails. So my job was to go through all his emails pick out a dozen of them Fax them to him and then that's how he would do his mailbag column and then he would call me on a telephone landline and Say what are people saying about the column? What are people complaining about landline? He he also did not want to be the rule of him was you were not he you did not you weren't allowed to edit Him and if you were gonna edit something you had to tell him every single edit so he went through a bunch of editors because they couldn't handle it and I don't know what happened. I wish I could remember but it came to a point where The person who was the boss at that time of s.com Stephanie Kaufman who's still there. She's a mentor No one knows who she is, but no one knows Sports Illustrated more than Stephanie Kaufman, and she came to me She's like, dr. Z said you're the only person he'll deal with. I think it was because I didn't get Mad when he got mad. I don't know I come from like a big loud Italian family So people scream and curse at each other and then five minutes later. It's like nothing happened So I've told this story a million times like I one day I edited something he called me screaming and yelling I Can't do this anymore. This is bullshit. You didn't call Why did you change that that we got to figure this is not gonna work with boom and he hangs up the phone Screaming it five minutes later phone rings. I pick up hello Jets Browns the Jets are plus five. Who do you like in that gate? Like that's how it was with him. So That's how I've said this a million times When I do a podcast or I write a column or on Twitter and someone says to me You don't know what you're talking about. You're an asshole. You're a fat idiot But it rolls right off my back because I I dealt with him and I saw what people would write to him I mean they wrote the most vile stuff to him because he had the Chargers 24 in his power ranking instead of 26 Like it was insane. So that's what I remember from like the early early early early days Well, that's I'm glad you brought up. Dr Z because that's like a good example of why I don't care about any of this stuff anymore at this point in my life because I think about some of the people I grew up reading and they felt like the biggest people in the world and they were so incredibly important to me and then You know, they retire they die or whatever. Nobody talks about them again, you know, like dr Z was the seminal football guy of my entire first 30 years of my life when he would have his all-pro teams And it came out in SI. It was like the single most important 15 minutes of the week I felt the same way about gamuts I felt the same about every Bob Ryan piece you go on down on any time Roger angel wrote anything for the New Yorker and All these people, you know, they they end up forming how you think about sports Absolutely, then a new generation comes and then everyone forgets about the old generation I have this office that I moved houses and I had this like huge bookshelf with a bunch of my books and the books are really important to me because those are the reasons that I'm doing what I'm doing for a living because I read these books and these people were my friends and somebody like dr Z Whatever he said about football that was the most important thing anyone in my life was saying about football He'd asked him about gambling all that stuff So I was so impressed too because he wasn't a phony about it Like he literally watched every play of every game is a great heat. So what he used to do is he used to I Think cut out the box scores of every game in a newspaper and glue him into a notebook So he had every box of every game and I remember I'll never forget this as long as I live the the person who was in charge of Not payroll expenses at Sports Illustrated time was the sweetest nicest most gentle woman you'll ever meet like Like just picture like the perfect sweetest individual he calls. He calls me up one day. I won't say the woman's name, but he goes So and so is the devil I go Z what what is it? What's the problem? They won't make they won't let me expense the $200 I spent on glue this year to glue the box scores. Oh my $200 it was like he would glue every box score into notebooks Jesus I'm like, she's the nicest The world you're calling her the devil. It was so that's the other thing, too I always say this like I just felt like everything was so much more fun back then like you know now if he called someone and fought with them about Expensing glue he'd get fired right probably be an HR man. Yeah, so you say gambling What was the other thing you we had to bring I want to ask you about the 30 for 30s. Yeah Yeah, we'll wrap it on this It's funny. You talked about like when you used to write point spreads back in the day You did people say do you have to write about this deep man? So what I used to get when I wrote hot clicks back in the day when I started first started writing about wrestling Oh my god, it's like code red at sports. Like this isn't sports. Yeah. I'm like, you know me anyway I loved your Andre the giant doc on HBO I thought was phenomenal and That was Jason. He did the last dance There you go. Yeah, there you go. And I know you were supposed to do it on Vince McMahon Yeah, and for like the couple of weeks. I know his interview. I'm like, I gotta ask about the Vince I got it and then this morning. I actually saw a clip where you talked about it. So yeah Days ago. Yeah is happening. It is happening. Oh, yeah Awesome. Do we know when or any any gonna I think it's gonna be the first part of next year and okay, it's Chris Smith is directing it who's I One of the five best documentary directors or one of the best three or whatever whatever shortlist that's on he's on it and We spent a lot of time on it and I don't want to say too much But did you have access legs? Did you have access to Vince? Yes Yeah, and we had access cuz that's rare. That's rare. Well, that was the initial conceit of it so I don't want to say too much, but I will say that um, I I think it's has a chance to be pretty spectacular And it can tell me is it gonna be like one two-hour thing? It's gonna be a series of like five one-hour episodes. Do you know that like how long it's gonna be? Cuz Vince you could probably 20 hours Yeah, it's it's it's a few parts. Okay, and excellent I'm pretty passionate about this like I you know I think people pump they add parts or they make this stuff longer than it needs to be because You know Honestly, that's how you get paid more when to do a documentary, right? I'm Anti, like I I'm like pretty crazy about I want these things to be I've been involved in a lot of them I want them to be the exact right length because I can never figure it out with my column My column was always too long, but I think with documentaries Shaping a documentary is a lot like writing a column and a lot figuring out like I love that paragraph But I got to cut that out because it this moves better if I take that out and with documentary is like the if Somebody's doing it correctly They're like amazing pieces art, you know, and and it's not just the director It's like you there's a couple editors, but they usually have one like incredible editor, which we have for this but it's it's a lot of people that have to be involved and there's real TLC and you can't think of it like We can stretch this to six hours This could be six hours instead of four. I think that's crazy This one is about Vince McMahon his life and in wrestling. So obviously it can't be two hours, right? Do you when it's over? Do you think Vince will be happy with it or not? Happy with it? I don't know I don't know. I he's certainly he's been somebody that's been in my I would never speak for Vince He's been in my life for my entire life. I can't I literally cannot remember my life without him being in it. So I think if you look at him from the you know strip away all the other stuff and you just talk about The last 50 years that he had yeah pretty good Pretty good topic for a documentary and just the fact, you know, there's so many layers to it Just what he's done with wrestling, but then you hear about like the quirks like I know He doesn't want people nodding their heads in meetings. He doesn't you know, if you see he gets mad if people sneeze There's all these little you know fascinating stuff Documentary subject so well, we we dealt with this with Andre the part of the problem with wrestling is it's talk about a game of telephone like there will be stories where The story over the years turns into I'm guilty of it. Like I saw snooker jump on back Lynn and miss I watched that live and Before YouTube where there was no way to see that clip like in my head It was a 40-foot cage, right? He climbed up and he kept climbing and now you watch it. It's like 15 feet It's still probably the most exciting moment of my life, but yeah, it's not 40 feet But as the years pass the 15 feet become 40 feet in your head I think especially with the wrestling which is hyperbole and embellishment and blowing everything out It's really hard to sift through and we had a lot of trouble with Andre about even like the WrestleMania 3 match Just okay Hogan's telling us now that Andre he didn't know if Andre is gonna kick out or not How true is that? So then you have to really dive into it and then Vince is like well Vince is also saying that's true and then you you Know, but yeah, it's just it's wrestling is a is a tough space But I think all these places are you saw with the last dance like everybody's a hero in their own narrative Everybody's got their own version of the story and that's part of how you make a documentary I think listen, there's two ways to go with a doc I think you can do it where you're giving people new information, you know, I think about the I forgot the name the OJ doc that ESPN did I thought was brilliant because I thought at that point I was like Who does it what is left to not what don't people know about this and you learned a lot? Yeah, and With the Jordan one. It was like, okay, it's COVID Entertain me. I don't care if you're telling me the truth that just enter, you know, I think you go the entertain I've always had my all-time favorite 3030 is the you just because of how entertaining it is But I like the ones that are teaching me stuff as well I think you go either way with it and then I think I guess even it's being really tough to do because like you said There's just so much there. You know, what's what OJ was supposed to be the last 30 for 30, right? Yeah, I think I remember that or yeah I was still there when we were developing it and right fighting for it to be multi parts and we wanted it to be This big kind of exclamation point because I mean the whole history of 30 for 30 is nuts because they really did want it to go Away, I mean they didn't want to do it. Skipper was Resolute why he wanted to do it. There's just a lot of people in the company that are like, why are we doing this? This is 15 million bucks. Like this is they're so good But they'd spent it's coming off of an era where they were wasting a lot of money on entertainment stuff when I would say not even Exaggerating like 95% of 30 for 30s are awesome Oh, well, it's great to hear but it's true. We did that first batch and then they were like, we're done We're changing it to ESPN Films presents and we had to spend the next year making a business plan and a business case and Doing all these different things and I I had a lot of cachet at the time But I had to use like all my cachet to try to convince them Because we were like people were running documentaries and people are saying to us like that was a great 30 for 30 last night Wasn't even a 30 for 30. It's like we right we won. We built a brand like it's the hardest thing to do. So They eventually greenlit the second one, but it was supposed to end in 2016 All right Let me let you before I last thing before I let you go three of my all-time favorite SI people work at the ringer Matt Dollinger Mallory Rubin Ben Klixman Three awesome people who I worked with at a site. Can you power rank them for me? Well, Mallory Rubens won in any pair of rankings. There you go And I don't think Glick's man and dollinger was now Ruben whatever question you had asked me with her power acting she would she would Be my one we just we've been ten years together. I remember the first time we hired her she moved to LA and I knew I knew she was gonna be good and she was only an editor and I was doing basketball and so sometimes I would come in the office After The show or I go get something or whatever and like I'd come at like 830 tonight and she would be like the only one They're like, oh man this. Oh, yeah, she worked too hard. She works too hard. This is a maniac This is what happened my own heart. Does she still have like all kinds of candies and snacks in her? Oh, yeah pop chips and like, you know different kids, but we never when we were forming the ringer never Thought she would be a podcaster because she was always gonna be like the plan was Sean was gonna run the ringer and then Mallory would take it over and And then all of a sudden Thrones happened and next thing, you know, she's the queen of I'm not I'm not surprised because she was awesome at SI and the first time I realized I like that's my kind of person is she called me an asshole in the middle of the office because It was like it was like a big discussion about like fan it we were playing we're doing a fantasy league and she was partners With someone which I think is Bush League. There should be no partners in fantasy That's a separate discussion and I kept referring to the team as as like the guys team and she just turned around She's like, I'm also a partner asshole and I'm like, I like her. That's it I think the read that there's a lot of reasons for her success, but it's instructive just in general like people always ask like what are the secrets and you know, there are no secrets, but one thing is One thing that helps is do you genuinely give a shit about what you're doing? And I feel like I've had been doing this for 12 and a half years now Worked with a lot of awesome people and the ones that stood out are the ones that really succeeded we're always the ones that gave a shit and for anybody to think like they can get into this business or whatever business and be like and not Not like really care about what they're doing Whatever their domain is and put the real time into it Those are the people that win so it's like you might not want to win. You might just be happy doing okay Somebody like Mallory like she really gives a shit and that's why she's successful other than nine other reasons Yeah, she's great. And I appreciate this. This was great really for the first time you would very generous with your time So I appreciate it. Thanks. I can't ask me about Mike and the dog well My podcast exists. Is it? Yeah Why because you you saw that you listen to them and decided this is what you want to do or like how how did what? You know, I was always like there's another way to do radio and Mike and Mike and the dog have stumbled onto the formula and that's the radio I want to hear that or one of your Howard Stern with his friends But like but the radio that I grew up in with Boston was this confrontational You know People blowhard basically blowhard radio. Yeah, I wasn't like I'd have you on and we can do an hour just on Mike the my dog and how it's done if you want like I could Like I would I can go I have to but it was like why don't more people do this When I finally got the podcast that one thing I knew and I think I even even written about it two years before was like I'm doing guess the lines with cousins out. I know people will like this. It's going to work and The back and forth of it. It's all cuz of those guys That's what we listen to both of Sal and I love those guys and guess the lines sounds like Mike and the dog My favorite is when they would guess the ratings on Monday. Yes, the ratings was incredible That was the because the way it would work is for people don't know so dog would always quiz Mike and he'd be like, okay Sunday late 425 bad weather on the East Coast Cowboys Giants keep in mind snow and Mike would go 12.3 Though Mike right on the button 16.8 like Mike was always right like it didn't matter how off he what Mike had to use It was Mike. Yeah, you you told that 99% right? There was the 1% of when Mike made his guess He was positive he was right it was like he was like fucking Karnak Okay, same friend 14.3. Yeah, and it'd be like that 14.2 my close though. I loved I loved guess the ratings I loved any time they got weird I loved when the Oscars were coming on movement Oscar nominations came out and dog would be upset somebody to get nominated You know, it's interesting that dog is the higher profile one out of the two now I was gonna ask you. What do you think about the dog Renaissance? He it's like a second career. He's having now not surprised at all I think when on first take you have to come in as some form of character to really succeed and And and he's not a character. That's the funny thing. Yeah, but Self is the car. Yeah, right for most people They're like who's this guy and he's just being dog the guy we've known forever But I'm happy that I still feel like there's one last act for Francesca on shows like that I'd you know, I just think he was on his own for a while without dog and sometimes you develop bad habits and I still there's still the goats. I still have the number one When when I found out dog was gonna be doing first take a year ago, whatever year and a half ago I remember saying to people like it's gonna be fascinating to see what the guy in Montana or Vegas or like Illinois who have no idea what they have no idea what they're in for and it took I think it Took people a while to get used to it Like, you know in this industry if you like pronounce an athlete's name wrong, it's like sacrilege people flat I'm like, he literally doesn't say any name. He doesn't say my name, right? He doesn't say any name correctly Like this is not stick. This is this is why we love him Like you have to either go along for the ride or just get off but to act like it's disrespectful Because he's saying a name wrong like no you don't get it at all It's so I mean, it's so true I'm hitting that point now I'm starting to mess up names a little more we had in Boston We had Eddie and I'm a grown-up who's never really that good. But as he got older, he just was mangling names left and right It's like oh my god. This is becoming a cautionary tale, but it does happen. Yeah, I'm making the mad dog shout to them All right We'll do well We've got to do a show like just a pilot one day if you have nothing going on Even though you always have something just I'm Mike and the mad dog and Howard I would love to do it with you if you want to do like a roundtable Mike and the mad dog show with like Three other people who love Mike and the mad dog. I would definitely do that All right, maybe uh, I wrote the diary and I think Mike liked it. I Think so. They did the running diary of them at oh six. I was why are you like for five hours? Well, you're the only person he followed on Twitter for a while He felt like three people and it was like he asked me to he asked me to replace dog It was me and one other person and I didn't get the other person He they did a couple of Steven a he said he wanted he said he wanted Steven a different place dog It wasn't Steven a was it was somebody o9 range did was it going? Oh, I think it was iron eagle Maybe did it go anywhere though the talks to replace though. I was I just signing with ESPN. I was like doing great So there's no chance of it happening. He called me and It was great. It was perfect Mike because he was He he was basically he was coming to me with this offer I wouldn't be able to refuse to replace dog and move to New York and On paper, you know, it was a smart idea by him, but I was like, I'm you know, I got 30 for 30 coming out I'm about to sign a new contract with them and my books coming out and Probably not would have been fascinating to hear the fan audience respond to the Boston sports guy on a daily basis You know, it's so dog like he had that Giants thing Yeah that they kind of navigated right because he kind of he kind of hated when the Yankees did and Mets did Well, he's he was always pro Giants, but that yeah, I'd always work. Yeah, I would have been interesting. Yeah Bill thanks a lot. Appreciate it. I'll get you back on for a mic in the middle dog roundtable for sure Fine. Thanks, Jimmy. Good. Thanks. Good for good. Good pod. I'm glad I probably didn't get in trouble and thanks for having me on We'll see what the aggregators do. Yeah, we'll find out. Thanks, Bill. 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There's no higher calling than making the world a safer place Let's connect at mitre.org slash careers. That's MIT RE dot org slash careers All right Joining me now as he does every week for our train of thoughts Segment from WFA on radio in New York SNY TV in New York. My buddy Sal Acada. Sal. How are we doing this week? Very well. Thank you. How are you? I'm good I got a tweet or an email from a listener who was upset that like we didn't get into your house hunting last week Cuz two weeks ago you said you had your NFL Sunday blown off because you had to go house hunting in Jersey So have you have you found a house? We have not found a house yet Again on Saturday more house, honey. Yeah, but a Saturday is okay Yeah, but not watching college football No, I don't care about college football, but still it's like the one day because NFL I mean, it's a workday Jimmy You know, it's a grind you bet in these games. It's very stressful I need an off day. So my one off day now is Saturday and that's I Think that's the issue if you were looking at houses on Long Island, you'd be okay, but you got a schlep to Jersey That's the problem Yeah, well because Long Island is just unlivable right now for me You you're in a nice spot in Nassau I like anything in Nassau County the taxes are absurd still the traffic from Nassau to the city is a disaster Oh All right, so there's that update I got a bunch of topics here to get into with you I want to just start with this. I don't know if you've seen a lot of it because it's it's mainly been a Twitter thing But can we leave the poor charger fan alone? Have you seen this poor woman who went viral? Yeah, I didn't like I saw the video because even if we have a TV on in the studio during the radio show It just reruns highlights and stuff. So I've seen it a million times I know what you're talking about, but I don't know why they kept showing them Well because we live in this time where like it just can't be you see something and you move on People like Investigating this poor woman to see if she's a true charges fan people NFL paid actor all this bullshit Then they found an old photo of her and she's wearing a Vikings jersey and then they like see she's a fraud cuz God forbid You're like tutti Then I read that I saw a tweet that said her kid played for a football team and the football team Was the Vikings and that's why then there was some coming out where she was a Vikings fan She lived in Minnesota for 12 years. Now. She can we just leave the woman alone for Christ's sake Who yeah, why for why do we give a shit? I don't understand this one She's a fan who had fun at the game who was into the charges Beyond yeah, like I get having fun with it, but like do we need to investigate her life? It's ridiculous She's spoken like her people interviewing her. She was on the McAfee show on Tuesday And people try to say she's a fraud and she's a liar cuz they found her in a Viking show So who cares if she was wearing a Vikings jersey? People are nuts, I mean, it's just I don't I couldn't give a shit less about that good I get the shit from the standpoint of leave her alone Right Speaking is now no because they're jealous of the attention she got and you're trying to shoot it down, right? I'm assuming that's well know and they're true, but they're trying it like people want to say like the NFL Peter She's like a paid actor like the end of yeah, the NFL set up Travis You know the Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift set up by the NFL this woman set up by if I wasn't need any help They don't need any help. That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard Yeah, they paid somebody to go there and act so they could shoot on camera People are out of their minds Yeah, all right speaking of people out of their minds Elon Musk so now There's gonna be a one dollar a year charge for Twitter have you seen this I have not no It's gonna it's they're starting an experiment in New Zealand in the Philippines You have to pay a dollar a year to tweet or retweet if you don't want if you don't have to pay and you can Still read Twitter, but if you want to tweet and retweet you have to pay a dollar a year I'll pay the dollar. I'll pay the dollar a year. How about you? Yeah, I mean, I guess when it comes to that point among them, you know I probably will have to I think my boss would be mad if I don't but why one dollar Again, because Elon Musk is a weirdo a year one dollar a year. Yeah Like how many millions of people are on Twitter? Do we know? I don't know Well, I guess my point is I give you take a dollar from everybody who's on there that uses it Maybe it adds up to you know Certain amount of millions. I guess I just found it fascinating that that's the charge one But like if he charged five dollars a month to use Twitter, I would pay it Right, but it's a dollar right To your point the people that use it that kind of need it for what they do on a daily basis are Going to pay regardless Could you imagine the people who use it for business purposes and it's a dollar a year and they're gonna try to like Expense it Eight cents this month for Twitter. All right. Yeah Another thing I've jotted down here. I'm gonna make a claim right now The box creamsicle uniforms with the helmet of the pirate I think it's a pirate Is the single greatest uniform in the history of sports? I'm gonna disagree with that. Go ahead. I don't hate it, but I also think they're kind of overrated Well, you're wrong that's okay, I love the old did you see the job while you did the giant Sunday night throwback uniforms You're gonna you're gonna compare a plain white uniform to the creamsicle the old-school giant logo on You're gonna compare you're gonna compare the word giants on a helmet to the pirate how about how about the old? Seahawks uniforms like to see larger area. I like those but not as much Are we just thinking NFL? You know, well baseball listen I I'll tell you my favorite baseball was when the White Sox wore the shorts in the 70s I Love those. I love those The Astros had good ones with the ugly colors the orange and all that stuff the old-school pirates where they're black hat with the yellow Stripe that was great. That was and I love the Phillies the Phillies with the baby blues That those are my favorite and also I can't even say that as a Met fan But the Phillies the dark, you know, the maroon hat with the baby blues that to me I think is the best uniform in sports. I the creamsicle with that helmet is so good So good, it's good you like it better than the charger powder blues I do I do But the charger powder blues are great I don't really see why the Bucks don't wear those why they are those are not their current uniforms makes no sense to me Yeah What else do I have jotted down Oh this will you read the Britney Spears book now I Need some is there an audible version of it that I can there is If she does she do it or no, no, you know who does it the actress from Dawson's Creek Michelle Williams. Oh I'm familiar with her. Didn't she marry Heath Ledger? Yeah, correct. If she's a great actress. Yes Then maybe I would listen to it. Did you are you have any interest in this? You have any info on it? I won't read the book, but I'm fascinated because all this stuff about Justin Timberlake came out that He got her pregnant. She had an abortion and then like he he cheated on her You know while they were together I can't see your reaction blows my mind with who who she cheat with or he cheat with I think all that's come out so far is that she wrote in her book that he cheated on her with a celebrity First of all, the over-under on women Justin Timberlake has gotten pregnant is probably four and a half He's I would go over. I mean, he's his pop star. I Know none of this is surprising Yes, it is. You don't think oh my god. How are you super wake up Britney Spears pregnant? Well, let's take it once a bit. Let me go for the cheating I'd be more surprised if you told me he didn't cheat. Okay, if you're a celebrity an athlete you're cheating So just move that push that aside now you think he cheats on Jessica Biel? He did they caught him. Oh, do you remember that home? You don't remember that whole seat? Well, wait, I shouldn't say that They caught him he was shooting a movie and The paparazzi caught him with a woman sitting on his lap or him sitting on the woman's lap and he had his wedding ring off And then he had to publicly apologize I did not know I didn't see that and The getting Britney Spears pregnant like how is that surprising? I Mean because I look at them as like young kids at the time You would think they'd be responsible being that there's celebrities like oh my god, are you serious? I admit I'm naive but you know You thought they'd be responsible. I Mean you think in that type of situation, but no You're funny. I mean Someone responsible you've gotten to know a lot of athletes over the years athletes and celebrities are not responsible Right, but if you tell me about Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears now or ten years ago, yeah I'm thinking like teen years like how old were they when they first started dating? Who knows? Yeah, but I would think that they're younger maybe a little, you know more cautious, but well All right, maybe we'll read that book. 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Do you I can't you know what I can't wait in a couple weeks There's gonna be anarchy in the NFL because in week nine, what are we in now? We'll come up on week seven, correct? Yeah in week nine, you know, the Dolphins play the Chiefs in what will be the game of the year Where you ready Mexico Frankfurt Germany at 930 in the morning People are gonna lose their shit when they realize that in two weeks. I can't wait. It's so it's so stupid. It's so dolphins Chiefs 930 NFL Network Frankfurt Germany Thank You NFL for catering to the people who don't Give a shit the way that we do about your product like product We all we do is give everything we've had for however long it's been and yet you Continue to spit in our face by putting these games on at 930 in the morning And you'll be house hunting probably and I'd rather see the game forget about even what time it's on like that's the game In Miami or in I agree with that a thousand percent. You need the atmosphere. You need atmosphere hundred percent I mean not that there's much our atmosphere in Miami, but our head would be tremendous Hey a night game if that game were at night in Miami, you don't know I mean Miami's finally back up one of the top teams that office. I'd like to see it So how are you will you be able at 930 to watch that in peace? I Don't fucking know what I have not watched one of these 9 a.m. Games yet So she odds are no, it's not looking good What week you said week nine? Yeah, two weeks. You haven't seen on that. Is that is that how November 5th, November 5th? I actually might be able to watch that. I got something later on that day My nephew's got a hockey game that I got to go to so on a Sunday Yeah on a Sunday Your life is like yes, that's the only big deal for a regular game Did you BS so maybe that helps because I won't be able to watch the games in the afternoon But your life is unraveling right before your eyes. Oh, no, no, no, it's unravel. It's been over for quite some time You know that sweet November 5th late you're gonna be there at the UBS, right? So that's Colts Panthers, no big deal terrible game Giants Raiders awful game. Oh my god Cowboys Eagles What time is that one for 425? Yeah now on that one and you better be back at 820 for Bill's Bengals Yeah, who do the Jets got that week you get a Jets up there who cares the Jets are they play Monday night against the Chargers. All right, so that helps Although Jets Eagles was the most watched game of the season. Did you see that on Sunday? Yeah, but I'm in that and now Jeff been saying they're America's team like come on. I mean who's taking that seriously. Oh my god All right, got some a got some mailbag questions here to go through quickly from our readers. We're gonna try to do this every week Let's start it off here big Jim fan At big Jim fan Twitter if NFL Network is having at least five games per year now Why not have someone who actually does play-by-play on the call instead of a studio host? So that's a shot at Rich Eisen Well, I would say two things One Rich Eisen has been with the NFL Network since it started. He's the face of the NFL Network so I think the NFL Network is throwing him a bone and rewarding him for being their first employee and They only have five games a year. They're not gonna pay Whenever you have a question about something the first thing is to think of is money. Everything's about money They're gonna pay they're not gonna pay a Top-line play-by-player for five games when they have someone in house who can do it Yeah, but I'm not trying to pick on Rich Eisen like a girl watching him. I love him He's not a play-by-play guy Like it's just not good the games are not as good when you don't have a real play-by-play guy I don't mind him to be honest with you because again, I've always said like my rule for play-by-play don't annoy me He doesn't annoy me, but I guess you know for other people Jim fans ad fight at Jim fan 5 to 3. Do you pay the guests that come on the pod? No, and we barely pace out. So Add Alex Yukon 57, why aren't all Fox games shown in 4k? When will this happen? Even MLB games are shown in 4k This may be a bad answer. But one thing I'm always gonna do is be honest with you guys I don't even know what 4k is. I don't have a 4k TV. I don't know what 4k looks like So I can't answer that. I have no idea. Do you know anything about 4k? I don't I like To think that I have a 4k TV, but I have no idea. Did they change over recently? I have no I I have no idea at Jay broska 55 if the purpose of flex scheduling as it involves Sunday Night Football is to give us the best possible match-ups Why isn't the NFL doing so Bears versus Chargers should have been flexed out for week eight. I Guess it wasn't flexed out because the the Chicago market is No, you got to go you got hit week eight So you got to see if there's a game to replace it. So Bears Chargers is the Sunday night game in week eight So that day you have I don't see right off the bat one o'clock Jaguar Steelers that's a better game right Jets Giants Texans Panthers Patriots Dolphins Falcons Titans Vikings pack And you have Rams Cowboys at one o'clock and you have Eagles commanders at one o'clock. They could have flexed that game My guess is maybe they don't want to use the flex so early and Chicago the Chicago market will still give them a big rating That's that's probably why that's it. That's a game. I wouldn't even want to waste a second on myself. There's Chargers Right if they flexed in Jaguar Steelers then how would you feel it's a better game? Yeah, I think that's an important game in the AFC Jaguar this sort of way better Steelers are always the Steelers Right, but what's going on there is they want to the Chicago market is huge and they'll watch that game So alright at mad underscore Amos, we got a brief glimpse of Sal's man cave recently on Twitter Can Sal tell us more about that sweet setup? He has pretty dope Do you want to tell people about your basement with the big teeth? What is it? It's sold. I mean, I'd say we're not officially but we're moving So the thing that I created that I waited my whole life for is now gone But wait that that TV doesn't come with you No, so part of the offer on the house was that they paid more to keep the theater room intact basically projector screen speakers seats that we Really now it doesn't mean that I can't you have to understand to Jimmy like that was you've been in there So you know, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm stunned Well, but that was it's kind of built to the space there correct so new house Maybe I could get a bigger screen or different seating arrangements or whatever But it was basically a finished basement that I put a wall in between it to kind of have like a separate theater slash Sports viewing room. How do you know how many inches is that screen? 120 120 inch projector screen Staying there. What do you have six of those recliner? Chairs or whatever. Yes. Yeah Yeah, they're staying. Yeah now again, I we got paid for it But all that the speakers are wired in there and all that stuff. So yeah, I feel how do you feel about this? No, it sucks. I mean, it's a part of me the part of it So I actually just rearranged it when you come you'll see I used to have three and then three in the back row Four up front and only two in the back because I figured if I have more people over four of us can hang out You know the front row or whatever sounds got a popcorn machine down there Yeah Is that staying coming with me popcorns coming with me, but thank God You'll never get me to Jersey, you know, what's that actually even if I built a big theater room in Jersey Like there's no chance you're coming over on a Sun zero zero. You can never yeah, you know, I know it sucks like that You'll never see me again Jersey Never no good news is that I'll be visiting my mother quite a bit on the lounge so we can still hang out That's what's good about where I am. I pick you you got to pass me going to and from so you can It's it's on my list of we have to you have to come over at least one more Sunday and we got to do Maureen's That's on the list, right? Yeah poor Maureen's you'll be missing that All right, let's one here from at Sar McLean Why do you think Joe Buck has gotten way more sour on calling baseball if I had a guess one of the reasons in my opinion Would be that he was fine with it until Fox started making him call football games at the same time So Joe's on last week said he's never gonna do network baseball game. I don't I don't that take is not good I think he just feels like he did it for 25 years It's enough football is a full-time job. I don't think he's soured on it I think he just doesn't want to do it anymore because he did it for so long And you know, he's run his course with it So but if anyone didn't hear that that was last week's pod with Joe Buck and Trey Aikman good And he did it at the highest level like right? What's more to what's more to do? He's done the world series like he's done at all. That's true. That's true. I I miss Joe on baseball in this postseason I you know, I talked about it on this pod with Simmons earlier and there's no voice of baseball and it sucks for the sport I like um, I like that is a Brian Anderson on TBS. Yeah, I like him a lot I think he's very Good. He's got a good voice. He's solid to your point. He doesn't annoy me. I think he's very good. Yeah Alright tell so before I let you go. So this Saturday is the house hunting all day Yeah, but you got you'll be locked in Sunday for the NFL Yeah, I know So is there an early game this Sunday or no? Let me check I Have not watched there is not okay. No, no early now. So here's the the last little caveat here because of The house hunting all day Saturday My wife, you know, I talked about I need a day off to myself my wife wants You know to go do her nails or whatever. So what am I supposed to do that? So I say alright maybe Sunday morning you could go or whatever so now I got to watch My daughter Sunday, who knows how long my wife's gonna be out for it runs the marriage of this This is part of the issue. But that to me that that's Not as much as an issue as if you have to be out you're in the house at least So at one o'clock, can't you just give your daughter an iPad and say goodbye and then watch the games. I mean It's not that difficult to figure out so You do daddy daughter time up until 102 when they kick off then you can their iPad and you say leave daddy alone now There you go. If if only it were that easy put it this way. I'm gonna give it a try Oh, I am gonna give that a try But when she starts screaming you have to make it like you get like daddy's gonna watch football and you're gonna watch YouTube Like I'm three huge TVs are on football and she's got a little iPad to watch Bluey and she starts throwing a fit Because she wants daddy to change football to Bluey then what then what he do or you know, she's got a change She's got an E and then what then I missed the game. My bets are going awry then a man It's just you can't be bothered for me. I need like from 1240 till 430 at least I need to be left alone There's nothing worse than them being interrupted when the bets are going awry That's That's I think I was Sunday I was losing some game my dad calls you I'm like, listen I can't do this right now I need the Niners to I need the Niners to complete a teaser the refs are screwing them left and right and you're calling me to tell me you know that you need you need me to look at the You you've been you oh that was the one my dad pulled recently I had to go over there and put close captioning on all of his apps on his smart TV because he has to you know He needs because he can't hear anything. So he needs on Netflix Prime to max. I had to go put all the clothes cap Oh, oh my god. He asks me to do it and I'm losing money on there I'm like, this is not I can't do this right now. I Knew you had the Niners because I read your column. I guess it was Monday The refs did you see I mean, I mean how much did the refs have on the Browns? It's crazy. Holy shit All right, um, I guess that's it so Saturday house hunting for South Yeah, I got my friends coming over Saturday for our annual my friend diesel my friend how for our annual college football show We've been doing this like 20 years they come over Early before the noon games We bet every game and sit there and yell at the TV from noon to I mean I fall asleep like at 10 or 11 They go to like 2 in the morning watching the Hawaii game and I'm sleeping and we bet every game screaming out. Yeah Well, I bet I'm going to Billy Joel Friday. So I'm gonna be wiped out on Saturday. That's good at the garden. Yeah Wow, you got a busy weekend Yeah, I mean I need it. I didn't do anything for like I was sick for like two weeks. I didn't do anything No, all right when we got to get it on the books where you can come over and hang out for a football Sunday Well, I'm not coming over if your daughter's gonna be watching blowing on the TV. No. No, that's why well That's why I hesitate to ask this week. I got to make sure I'm free and clear Maybe I'm gonna be wiped this week cuz I that like this is the part that gets old This is the but this is the part about being old that just sucks more than anything Like I have my buddies coming over for a college football thing. It's like top three day of the year. I love it But I'm like I have Billy the night before I'm gonna be tired like first of all, it's Billy Joel it's not Metallica It's not like I'm gonna be like I'm gonna you know you can relax during you know, she's got a way about her and all it but like Like just the thought of like getting you know, we're getting home late in the city and the train It's a grind. I know I know the feeling I do sing everywhere I am one of those annoying concert people that sings every word like F by the end of every concert. I have no voice We I had that when we went to the end clear the MJ play or whatever a few weeks ago like that next the weekend Was shocked as I was so tired from a long night out. So yeah. All right. All right. We'll see you next week Take it easy. All right, Jimmy. Talk to later. All right All right, my many many many thanks to Bill Simmons very generous with this time and I appreciate it. My thanks to Sal Licata Hope you guys enjoyed the episode if you did and you're not a subscriber to SI media Jimmy Trina hit the subscribe button If you missed any recent episodes check them out in the archives Joe Bach and Troy Aikman the voices of ESPN's Monday Night Football were on the podcast last week Brian Curtis of the ringer was on two weeks ago and your Martian in the New York Post three weeks ago brought Kevin Clark From ESPN four weeks ago. 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If they're on the right track, let's help them double down on that and see the opportunity to stay on the right track for success in the future. Listen to 6 Degrees with Kevin Bacon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I want to switch gears a little bit. I had Brian Curtis of The Ringer on this podcast last week who wrote a big feature on you guys about doing 22 years together and passing Madden and Summerall. And my favorite part of the story was an anecdote where I guess when you guys would leave games and you would be in the car going to the airport or the hotel or wherever, I know how much Joe hates Twitter and has been Twitter fodder. Acts? You mean acts? No, I still say Twitter. And Troy would read Joe's Twitter mentions. And I was impressed by the level of ball busting by Troy on that. Well, I would read mine. Oh, I thought you would read Joe's. No. No, I would read mine. And, you know, Joe would be mentioned in some of them. Right. You know, some of these people that tweet are really clever. You know? It's pretty funny stuff. I don't even read it anymore. I'm not very active. I'm active on Instagram. That's about it. I was jealous. I noticed The Rock likes a bunch of your posts on Instagram. I was very impressed by that. Yeah. No, I've gotten to know him. He's endorsed my beer too. So that's- There you go. That doesn't hurt anything, but yeah. Yeah, no, I think it does. You know, I feel like we all battled the Twitter slash X phenomenon when you do network TV. Some more than others. You know, I'm friends with enough people that are in other areas of media that don't really have that experience with social media. Like, Rudd's not even on it. But if he were, it'd be like, oh my God, Paul, I love you. You're the best. You know, I loved Ant-Man. It was unreal. Or Jon Hamm. Oh, God, that was unbelievable. You know, I can't, I'm blanking on the name of the damn show that he's famous for. Mad Men. Yeah, Mad Men. I had Ant-Man on the mind. And so their experience with social media is different. When you're the person calling these games and Troy's the person analyzing these games and half the audience is pissed off because either A, they're diehard fans of that team or B, like you, they just lost a big bet. They're coming at you with whatever they got just because they're mad and they were the messenger. So, you know, at some point you have to separate yourself from it. And so when Troy would do that in the back of the car, I'd just be like, will you just turn that shit off, please? It's just driving me. Like, I don't get on there. And like Troy and I, here's what you do. Here's what you do, okay? I mean, you're getting into Madden. But you do the game. You let a day go by. You post something. People then comment on that post. Thereby shoving down all the, you suck on this game comments. And then you're free to go about your business and look back at Twitter. Well, I always tell people in the business who sometimes, listen, every single person has sort of been in the muck on Twitter for either tweeting something bad or doing something. Everyone's had like a moment. And I always tell like friends who'll come to me about, should I, you know, should I tweet about it? Should I address it? Should I, I say, if you just wait 24 hours, it'll go away because it'll be someone else's turn to get all the shit for it. Like if you could just write it out 24 hours, you're fine. It's all right. Well, the other, the other, there's two things to that. One is for, from my perspective, you know, there wasn't social media when I played. Right. But there was plenty of critics and, you know, and writers and, you know, you run into people and I forget exactly how, you know, talk radio. And, and when you're the Cowboys quarterback, you deal with that, you know, and it's just part of, part of the job. And, you know, you don't read the paper, you don't turn on the TV at night and watch the local news and you don't listen to the radio when you're in your car. And, um, and you just move on. And so then we were broadcasting when social media came about. Uh, and so I think that from the perspective of having been a player, it wasn't as effective. I wasn't as affected by it, I guess, but now, I don't know, it's probably wrong for me to say this, but does anybody even care about Twitter or X or whatever it is? I mean, I know Elon Musk does, he paid a lot of money for it, but, but I don't. Well, he's lost a lot of money on it. That's why. I don't pay five seconds worth of attention to anything that's on, that's on Twitter or what's written about me, or I don't look at replies. I, you know, it's just, who cares? You know who cares? Your bosses. Well, I think they once, I know at Fox, they once did, and I'm sure, I'm sure at ESPN, I'm sure, I'm sure they do. I'm not suggesting that. And I agree with you. It's bizarre. I don't think they should care, but they do. But I don't think it carries the weight that maybe it once did. I agree. And I don't think there's as much venom. I mean, maybe I'm totally wrong, but I think that, I think, I think everyone's kind of tired of it. Yeah, because everyone loves Joe now, which leads me to something I, I, I have to ask you, Joe. Like you said, we've had some good podcast moments. You've been on a million times. So I feel like I can talk to you the way, like I would talk to a good friend. Yeah, go ahead. Why can't you just cut the nonsense, stop this charade and do some baseball for ESPN already? Yeah, it's not going to happen. Stop playing this game. People on Twitter during the playoffs have been like, where's Joe Buck? We want Joe Buck. I checked. Well, Joe Buck's been gone for two years now and he ain't coming back. Stop. Stop. I'm not. You will never, ever call a baseball playoff game. They had four games the other day, ESPN. I mean, they're trottin' out A-Rod. Like you can't do one game for us in the playoffs one of these years? They're trottin' out A-Rod. They are. Yeah, nobody, nobody wants to hear A-Rod, so. They're trottin' out A-Rod. Why can't you just stop the charade? They're, they're, they're not going to trot me out. I, they trotted me out of the pregame show a couple nights ago. Right. Scott, Scott Van Pelt lost his voice. Yeah. So, uh, that's good. I'll, I'll step in in a pinch in that case. If, if there's a playoff game in St. Louis and somebody shows up and, and they, they forgot their suit and they, or they can't talk and, and somebody needs to run down there and do it. I will tell you this. I am, I'm lost on, on who's who. Like you, I'm giving Troy crap about, can you name four Rangers? There's been so much turnover in two years that getting out of it. Yeah. I watched, I watched some of the playoffs game last night. I'm like, I don't know who 70% of these players, I've never heard of any of them. So I would have, if I were to go back and be like, oh yeah, just go call a game. Well, that, that requires a hell of a lot of work because you're catching up for X number of, it'll be years by that point. So if the Cardinals need me or want me to come down and do a game someday with chip carry to have buck and carry together again, maybe I would do that just for fun. But I just don't have any desire to call network baseball anymore. All right. So just to be clear for all the aggregators out there, Joe Buck will never call a baseball game on ESPN. And, and, and aggregate all you want. If, if I do it someday, I don't think anybody's going to remember this moment. Oh, they will. I'll make sure of it. Believe me. Like I, like I always try to make, make people remember the time I told you that Tom Brady would be your broadcast partner when Troy left before we knew you were going to leave. And if you, if Fox didn't let you out of your contract, I would be right. It'd be you and Tom next year. Okay. Well, maybe, maybe you will be right, but at that, at this moment you are not right. Okay. I, but I, I say I'm right. Okay. Of course you should. Troy, do you have any relationship with Tom? Has he come to you for broadcasting advice yet? Like, is he, he, yeah, yeah. What do you think about him doing it next year? Some people, you know, there's a lot of questions about whether he'd be good, whether he'd not be, I think he's going to be great. And I'm curious, I don't know if you can share anything that you've talked to him about, but I would love to hear it. No, I think you'll be great as well. I mean, you never know. I mean, there's a lot of people, of course, that, that people thought would be great that weren't. So you never do know, but Tom's one of those, one of those guys that has been great at everything he's done and he works hard at it, puts in the time, doesn't take shortcuts. And, you know, so I, I think he'll be great as well. And, and so the question is, is he going to do it? I think he has every intention of doing it. I think he's watching this year and seeing what he can pick up. I'm sure at some point, if he hasn't already, he'll be in the trucks or be in the booths at some of the games, watching as well. But, you know, I do think that the, you know, he's in a, he's in a moment in time like I was when I got going, where he's got young children and now he's gone through a divorce and is a single father. It's a great job for that. I will say that because you are flexible in your schedule and, but you are also gone, you know, for a good part of the weekends and for six months, five months, whatever it might be. And is, I was in a position to where I didn't necessarily need the job, but it was, uh, I w I was going to need to do something. And for him, you know, that's the decision that he has to ask himself, uh, with where he is in life. How much time does he not want to miss out on? And that's what we talked about. But, uh, if he does it and I assume he will, I think he'll be fantastic. I think he'll be fantastic too. And I think he'll be fantastic for the reason why I think you're good. And this is, this brings it back to what I said at the top. What I appreciate about you is you don't have any issues calling out a ref or a player if they screw up. And I'm not saying I need analysts to rip the guys, go over the top, be disrespectful. But I cited this on, on the podcast last week when I was talking to Brian Curtis about it in the giant seahawk game. It's a little thing, but there was a play where, um, Gino Smith dropped back to pass. Kenneth Walker was supposed to block. He didn't do anything on the play. You did the replay and you said, well, they have Kenneth Walker there to protect, but he does absolutely nothing. Every other analyst would be like, well, you know, he was trying to do this or like maybe like they sugar coat it and try. You just come out. He did nothing. It's not disrespectful. It's just straight calling what you see. I don't understand. And I think Tom will be able to do that. That's why I think he'll be good. And that's why I think you're good. Why do you think so many analysts have so much trouble just calling out a player if they do something or didn't do their job or did something wrong on the field? Yeah, I don't know. I will say, uh, for me that the last thing I would want to be known as is someone who calls out coaches or calls out players. I mean, cause I don't, I don't think that that's, I don't think that's who I am. I don't, but if, if a guy does something wrong or makes a mistake or then, then I just, I just say it as I see it, you know, and I, and my personality in general is, is pretty direct. You know, I don't, I don't typically use a lot of words to get my point across. Um, but I have great respect for the coaches and the players that do it. Uh, and where I get frustrated and maybe get more upset is when I see a lack of effort. Uh, that's, that's what really incenses me. Um, Tom, I think Tom and I are a lot alike, uh, to be quite honest with you that, you know, he runs pretty hot, uh, as a competitor. We've seen that side of him, uh, and he definitely has opinions on how he feels the game should be played. And as a quarterback, he didn't have much patience for it. And it's the reason why he was able to have the career that he had. Uh, and so, yeah, I think he'll be, it's, there's part of it is finding his voice and just, you know, who he's working with and how he's able to, you know, say what he wants to say. I think every guy comes into the booth, whether you're a coach or former player that feels like, Hey, I'm going to educate the world on football. And then you realize you have no time to do that. Uh, so you got to pick your moments and now the game's played faster than it ever has been before. So you have less time, but, uh, but yeah, I think he's going to give an honest, unvarnished opinion. And I think he's going to be really good. Yeah. I like the fact too, that you will criticize the officials when they need to be like the end of that cheese Vikings game. Like I like Tony Romo, you can, I like the end of the cheese Vikings game. Like I like Tony Romo, but like they pick up a flag on a pass interference that was a pass interference. Then the guy takes his helmet off. Whoever's in that booth has to be calling that out. I mean, that was horrible at the end of that game, but I'm not going to put you on the spot and make you comment on that. Well, I think I'm not, I don't know. I didn't see that with Tony. I just think that, uh, I think the fan, I don't do the game. Okay. To placate the fan. Right. Uh, but I do think there are certain things that are in the job description of being an analyst. And I think you got to have an opinion and you've got to say what you think, or, you know, give your thoughts. I don't think you can just simply let things go and, and not, not weigh in on them. And, and I think, I think Troy knows that I'm not scared to have an opinion too. And, and he's, he's not going to be on his own, you know, and, and, and I can't speak to anybody else. I would be probably the worst person to speak on anybody else's dynamic in the booth. Cause I think you have to be there, see it, feel it to know what it is. But I think if Troy goes in on something more than likely, I'm going to agree with it. If I don't, I think he knows that I'll say, I don't, and we can get into it that way. If we agree on something and John Perry now, or in years past, Mike Pereira didn't agree with it. You know, I, I like those debates too, because I think somebody's opinion is going to be served. You know, everybody's will be that that's watching because it's, it's either, was that a good call or not? Right. And, and, and I, I remember our, our former boss not liking the way that I would bring Mike Pereira in and, and I just trying to get it because there's a limited amount of time. I would say, Mike, do you like that call? I mean, that, that's pretty much why you're there. Is that, is that, did they do that right? Or is it, am I, are we not seeing this right? And the answer is yes or no. I mean, do you like that call? You used to be their boss. Was that a good call? I mean, I don't know. I don't know how much, any other way to do it any quicker. You hear the words you like that and not think of Kirk Cousins. I mean, is that even possible? No, it is not. It is not. You've piqued my interest though. What did they not like about the way you brought in Pereira? I don't know. I, because I guess because it's, it's making him take a stand on a call that's made by an official that's employed by the NFL. And now he's got to say that was a good call. That was a bad call. That was the NFL will like that. The NFL won't like that. I don't, I don't know. I have no idea. You like that. You like that. I'm trying to be respectful and not give my opinion of what I think of the rules analyst. Well, let me ask you, when you go to John Perry, is that all you go in him or is that a producer in your ear telling you when to go to him? That's pretty much us. I mean, I can see him. He's, you know, for some reason he's switched. Have you noticed that Troy, that he's now to our left? Is there a reason for that? Yeah, there is. And I've got to, I've been meaning to get the change back, but. Typically he's down past Troy so I can see him. It makes way more sense for him to be Detroit's right. Because I'm on the left Troy to my right. He should be beyond him so I can see him. Like I have something to say about this. Now he's behind me. Right. And so sometimes I forget he's there and, and I had our producers, uh, act Steve Ackles will say, Hey, you know, John can weigh on this. I'm like, Oh yeah, shit. He's over. He's right there. Uh, go ahead, John. What do you, what do you see? Was that a good call? The, the answer is usually no. And they say yes, but we don't have to get into that. Okay. All right. Couple of football questions. I want to ask Troy as the former player, the tush push. People want it like banned. I'm curious what you think as a former play. I don't know. I don't know how you ban a specific play. I mean, I guess you put rules in about where the players have to be lined up, but just want to get your take on that as one of the all time great quarterbacks. Well, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not crazy about the play, you know? Because why? I don't know. It just seems. Cheap? A little bit. You know, I mean, I don't know. I just, it just seems like, I don't know. It just seems like a mass of people and just, you know, whatever. I just, it's just, it's just not something that I'm that fond of. And I, but, but to say now, should it be banned? I hate to say that just because the fact that the Eagles are the only team that's really got it dialed in, you know, everyone else tries it. And it's just, you know, it's like jet motion, you know, I mean, the Rams started doing it and then everybody started doing it, but the Rams were still the only ones having any success with it. You know, it's like people do it, but they don't even really know what they're doing or why they're doing it. So I don't like the way it looks. Um, but I was surprised, quite honestly, I really thought that the league would, would get rid of it after this past year. Um, and my guess is just because some guys have gotten hurt when the giants tried it, and now there's more discussion about it. My guess is, is that this might be the last year we see it. I think it was the giants. They were just a complete embarrassment because nobody pushed Daniel Jones. Why do you think? Nobody pushed and they lost two offensive linemen in the process. Why do you think other teams can't pull it off and why are the Eagles the only team that can do it? Because the Eagles quarterback can squat 600 pounds. Troy, would you have enjoyed doing that? Being shoved from behind as you plow ahead into massive people? That sounds awful. I went seven years without running a quarterback sneak and then Barry Switzer came in and couldn't understand when we got stopped against the Eagles. Uh, in 1995 on the road at the vet, we went for it twice on fourth and one, there was a penalty and Madden about jumped out of the booth. He was so I remember that that's on YouTube. I watched that recently on YouTube. Yeah, we didn't, we didn't even, we didn't even have quarterback sneak in the, in the playbook. And, uh, Barry Switzer was just, uh, flabbergasted that, that such a play didn't exist. Uh, especially as a former wishbone head coach and the next week, the quarterback's niche was, was in the game plan and it was run. Um, um, I'm not sure if I picked it up or not, but yeah, I, um, I, you know, Patrick Mahomes got hurt on the quarterback sneak. It's, I'm not saying they're not outlawing quarterback sneaks. I don't want anybody to get misrepresent what I'm saying. Right. I think the chiefs have outlawed them. Yeah, they, they probably have. I don't know that they've run since, but, uh, the reason it works is the Eagles got, uh, you know, arguably the best offensive line in football and like Joseph, they got a quarterback that squats 600 pounds and I don't know anyone else that, uh, can do that. Yeah. Can you remember off the top of your head, you, you, you might not be able to, what's the most rushing yards you had in a game? Probably would have been my rookie year. I think I had a two or 300 yards rushing my rookie year. I'd have to look it up, but I was, you know, I could run. I, I went to Oklahoma as a wishbone quarterback and, uh, you know, so I, I could run, I was, uh, I timed, uh, four, six in college. Um, and then as I, as, as, and what happens, Jimmy, for young quarterbacks, uh, you run because you don't know what you're looking at. Young quarterbacks run more than veteran quarterbacks first and foremost, because they don't know what they're seeing and they're confused and they get pressure and they just tuck it and run. And as quarterbacks get more and more acclimated to the pocket and learn coverages and the offense and the NFL, they start throwing from the pocket more. We saw that even with a guy like Steve Young. So, um, it's just a natural progression. And then as you get older, then your legs start to go out on you and you better be able to throw from the pocket or you're gonna have a really short career. It's funny because I think I heard Aaron Rodgers yesterday on McAfee say that he's told Josh Allen to try to, you know, slide, take a knee, not run as much because he's, he's. I think, uh, the head coach there in Buffalo, uh, McDermott has told them long before Aaron Rodgers, but yeah, nice Aaron to weigh in on that as well.
Schlereth and Evans
"mike pereira" Discussed on Schlereth and Evans
"Okay, so here's why I've thrown the challenge flag and I'm going to win the challenge. Here's why. Because the overly game that we play, the rules are you say something that everybody knows to be, there's only one answer, right? And you say something else, I correct you, and you get to say, oh, really? Right, which is exactly what happened. Here's the problem. Here's where you lose. Because Phil Collins wasn't just with genesis. He was solo, so the fact is that no, no, no, hold on. I'm making my case here. The fact is, is that there's not one clear cut answer. If I play any Phil Collins song, it could be genesis or it could be Phil Collins solo. There's not a clear answer. So if I correct you by saying genesis, you can't say, oh really, because it could either be genesis or it could be Phil Collins. But there's no easier. It can never be the group. Yes, because he wasn't in the group, yes. So I said, was this when he was solo or with yes. And you go, no, no, genesis. Nope. Because if I, what if I said Phil Collins? What if I said Phil Collins solo? You could have still said oh, really, right? No. Yes, you could have. Yes, you could have. If I says, no, that's Phil Collins. No, really? Because he wasn't with yes. Good question. Was this when he was solo or with yes? No. It doesn't matter. This only works fever. This only you know, you know the rules of oh really well enough to know. It's got to be a clear it'd be like if when earlier today, if you were saying we're talking about Dalton rice, let me give you an example. When we were talking about Dalton reisner earlier, if I had said, oh yeah, Dalton riser from fort Morgan and you had said, no, Wiggins, then I have you on an O'Reilly because there's only one answer. In this case, Phil Collins is either genesis or solo because there's two possibilities for Phil Collins. You can't play O really with Phil Collins. There's no, was this when he was with yes or with genesis? And play it again. Play it again. Just listen to it. Play it again. By the way, was this Bill Collins or this is with so called. Yes, was he with yes at this time? See, there it is. You said it's going to keep playing. Is this so crazy? Is this Phil Collins when he was Phil Collins or when he was with yes? Yeah. And I said, no, this is when he was genesis. I know, because he's either classic. Because I was correcting you that it was Phil Collins with genesis. Not Phil Collins. No, not even close. We go to did we go to Mike Pereira? Ed hockey? Yes. And hockey has emerged from underneath the hood. Before you make a decision, just play the whole thing. And just play the whole thing when I get him with the overly part. Go ahead. No, he's just going to hear that, by the way. Was this was this bill college or this is political Collins with yes. Yes, at this time, or was this football? Or just for Collins? You never said genesis. I'm right because I wanted to say justice from yes. But I would never have said genesis. My gosh, I mean, I crushed just take your. This is when you say, this is when if you had said this, if the music is playing, if you had said, is this when is this Phil Collins with yes? And I would have been like, no, this is with Phil Collins with genesis. Then you had me. But you established the fact that he was supposed to and I corrected you with genesis, and there were two answers. It's the same. No, really, if there are two possible answers. Exact same thing. Is this Bill Collins when he was with yes or was solo? No, no, genesis. We all know he wasn't with yes. Winner, winner, chicken. All right. Let's go to Ed hockey fever here. What do you got? To reverse and replay, there must be clear uncontroversial uncontroverted evidence that the ruling in the field was wrong. In other words, you have to be certain. Here's a ruling on the field stands. It's like in two wins. I feel like I'm two O right now. I've never liked the whole incontrovertible evidence thing. It's the way we judge it. Oh man. I feel like I'm two and O right now. I really do. Feels good. I'm waiting for this text for my wife, wait a minute, man. I had nothing to do with that. He brought that on himself. He brought that on himself. I like this text. Evans, a lot of times for you, W tonight, it didn't happen. I love it. I love it when the listeners are going with their own sound. Tonight it didn't happen. You know what though I will give you this. It was a solid effort. It was a solid effort. I think I wrote enough doubt there. I think there was a couple of times over the course of the weekend. Got in your gullet. No, because somebody brought up that they said they brought up exactly that case in order for you for you to lose or really has to be an answer that everybody knows to be true. But the thing with Phil Collins that creates the ambiguity is it Phil Collins solo or is it Phil Collins genesis and therefore just because there's two possible answers with Phil Collins, then it's a moot point because there's not one clear cut answer. The point of this, the point of this whole thing is, I mean, come on now, I made up the game. So clear cut point of this is I say something that we both know is untrue. Or you say something that we both know is untrue in hopes to get you to correct me. That's exactly what transpired. But the letter of the law. Well, I'm always going to wonder about this one, but okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Stink one, Evans, zero. Oh, I could. The good news is I still have ten months left in the year. You went zero for 22. So good. All right. We'll say if you want to live in the past. I'm like a raider fan. Fever, I hate you. That'll do it. We'll turn things over to the players club coming up next. 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The Rich Eisen Show
"mike pereira" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"Well done. Well done. Got it. I'm great. DJ Mikey D is indeed nuts good to see you. Mike Hart's swag. Good to see you. You're gonna care over there? You good? Yeah, I'm dealing with a couple things. You're dealing with a couple of things for us, you're talking about? Yeah, I'm just working on something. Okay. Very good. Good job, Mike. My mind's I understand. Your mind's in all different places. But you're focused here. TJ Jefferson, good to see you over there, sir. Good to see you, rich. Mike and I before a show we were just talking about de la soul and how sad we were that I wanted the members, trugoy, the dove died. So we were talking about that right, okay? Well, okay, I'm sorry to hear that. I mean, I love daily. So 8 four four two O four rich is the number to dial right here on the program. We've got a great three hour show in store for you. We've gotten a whole bunch of we've gotten a whole bunch of tweets in our direction greatly appreciated. I've gotten some texts and some emails, some people were saying this to me over the past weekend when I was strolling around the Super Bowl state about what a great job we all did last week and I say that's all you hear and everybody part of the rich eisen show last week and in terms of the personal kudos I've gotten, I'm touched by it all. Especially knowing that no one out there in terms of my work and I don't think you guys know either in terms of my work, the script for Super Bowl 57, that part about the defensive holding penalty. That was mine. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you should have seen it in the table read. The table read was wild. Somebody had to tell James bradberry. It was going to be him. He didn't take it very well. But he kind of kept it to himself. And then of course, when he did get called for holding in that part of the game, it totally threw everyone on my Twitter feed that was barking at me about how everything was being set up and fixed for the eagles. It totally undercut them at that point in time. Like all good movies, rich, you need a twist. Yeah. You need a plot twist, especially late in the third act. It's just like all those chiefs fans that didn't see that call on juju Smith Schuster early on. It's a fix. It was fixed. It's all fixed. And then all of a sudden, that was my oh Henry like twist, just flip it. Well done. Thank you. And like I said, it was an incredible season just scripting it all the way to the finish. Yeah. Shout out to the writers. So I told everybody that I wouldn't say anything, but it was really my idea to just come out with this one last penalty just piss off. I did that for all the New Yorkers out there who were upset about the Empire State Building, getting lit up. I'm like, wait till you see what I got cooked up. And it was a tough sell in the room, you know? To Bradbury in particular, and then of course the officials didn't want to be front and center. Money was probably crying, right? Well, no, he flipped me the bird. Oh, that would bird. When he flipped because he knew what was coming. Oh gosh, so we're going to be up by ten, huh? Ten huh and we're just going to join the Super Bowl 51 falcons is the only teams in Super Bowl history to be up by ten or more halftime and not win the game, huh? It was a tough sell. Because all the eagles fans thought. My apologies to everybody out there about my script idea. How dumb is this? Hashtag NFL. All the sky got that all throughout the entire Super Bowl. It's fixed, it's fixed, it's fixed. And then of course when the officials pop in there, it's the officials who are fixing the game. And it's just human condition, folks, I still, to this moment, can not believe that flag came out. You know, at first, when I saw it in the stadium and I'm like, yeah, that's a whole. He tugged his Jersey. He did tug his Jersey. And then, you know, as things went along, I'm like, that is something that should not be called. And I heard Pereira Mike Pereira lead Fox rules analysts say yesterday, doesn't matter. First quarter last quarter, first week, last two minutes, you see it, you call it, and yeah, you see it in your call it, but it wasn't called much of the game. Where does that come from? And I think it ultimately just comes down to the disappointment that we didn't see the ending that the game deserved. And I appreciate James Bradbury saying, yeah, that was a whole, I thought they'd let it slide. And I appreciate hertz and Nick Siri after the game saying, we should have played better. Because that is the truth. I mean, the fact that it did come down to a holding call against the eagles after they were up by ten, okay? They were up by ten, and after they were dominating the first half of that game, which they did. They could have easily been up 28 to ten going ahead. They could have been up 18 and a half. They also got the benefit of Kansas City. The butt kicker hit one right off the upright. Thus, when kadarius Tony, waltzed in untouched into the end zone to give the chiefs their first lead of Super Bowl 57 in the fourth quarter, their first lead would have been in the first quarter. They'd have been up ten 7 the chiefs. So the eagles did get some benefits. In this game. But they also literally fumbled one away. Jalen hurts his truly only mistake of the night was a major mistake.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"mike pereira" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"That punt that led to the safety, you know, they pinned them on the one and it just felt like, first of all, I don't even remember the last time a QB has stepped on the back end zone. Orlovsky, right? But that but our last key played 15 years ago. So that was the last time? Yeah. 12 years ago? It was him and the Mark Sanchez butt fumble was redeemed with the butt punt. Yeah, so like two bonehead plays of the century come back. It's funny that he was like three yards out of the end zone. He was so far out of it. It wasn't even like his heel clipped it. This game tonight, 13 first dance for the niners, 14 for the Broncos. I just don't feel like either of these teams that they both showed some like a whole that makes me think long term. We try not to overreact in September, but for San Francisco. You saw it at night while they were trying to get off Jimmy G for the entire off season. I'd probably hiring him the most. And then for Denver, it's just that the coaching, all of it, did you notice near the end though that the guy ran out of bounce and they just ripped the clock off for 40 seconds. They ran the ball. Like with two 20 left or something. And toriko was like, huh, that was weird. It's like you have Mike Pereira right there, whoever you have. Just blew it off. He's like, but yeah, but really, let's give this credit to this day. You brought some Wilson told the guy to keep the clock going. Yeah, very strange. The best team we saw today, in my opinion, was Jacksonville. Yeah, maybe. Demolished the Chargers. The game was over within like 40 minutes. They did this to the colts last week. They have two ass kicks in a row. And I think to me, the story come out of week three other than some of the boneheaded stuff we can get into later was that Jacksonville, I think as a legitimate on the fringe contender now. And I wouldn't be surprised if they were a legit contender, like three, four weeks from now. I like that they're not just talented on both ends, two good pass rusher, defensive line, guys. Lawrence looks great. Two running backs that both were making stuff happen and the receivers are fine. And that team looks really polished. They look hungry. They have little killer instinct. They put the game away, they're laying it on Herbert, like really, really big time. I was impressed. That's two weeks in a row for them. I can't disagree with any of that. And but I'm eating a lot of crow because the AFC south was excellent today, right? Except for Houston, Chicago, whatever. I thought indie was dog shit in that game. That game was over 19 times. And then Ryan third and 15, Chris Jones gets the unsportsman like after the play is over. I'm still trying to figure out. The colts were done. They were punting mahomes is going to give first down the game was over. But there shouldn't be any week where the AFC south won three games. And the AFC and four loses three games. Right. Yeah. So that was a strange man. The Jags are sitting at plus two 40 right now to win that division. Yeah, well, I can't say anything bad about the Jags, but the Chargers are just, I mean, this was the one home field advantage. They were going to have, but the Jaguars fans that were actually chargers jerseys in the crowd, I saw. And they were never in it. Never, ever in it. And that coach, I don't know. I mean, the coaching is getting worse. Stanley had him in there at Herbert in there. Herbert barely standing upright down 28 points with three 40 left, and he's still taking snaps. What are they doing? It was 38, ten, he was in there with a minute left, wasn't he? It was a minute left. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. All the way. I thought it was questionable whether he should have even started because they were missing offensive linemen. They were missing Keenan Allen. I don't know. And then you hear about the Chargers team doctor and he's going to get a shot and it was like the parallels of that to the Michael Myers is back again commercials. You could stop thinking about it. Let's keep the team doctor away from Justin. How is this the same doctor? I think we talked about this last week. Is there a shortage of doctors in the LA area? What is going on with that? I was very nervous. Yeah, I was very nervous. The thing with Lawrence though, Kyle and I were reminiscing last year. When we felt like maybe Mac Jones had a chance to be better than Trevor Lawrence and then you watched today, it's like Trevor Lawrence, he's got everything. We thought last year, I gave him a pass for last year along with a lot of other people because it was like, that was the most messed up football rookie quarterback situation we've had. This urban Meyer thinks one of the all time atrocities we've seen on a first year quarterback. So just write it off. And the distance from last year to what we saw these last two weeks. And this looks like if you're starting a team, you know, Herbert, I think mahomes are still young enough to be in that conversation, but Lawrence is kind of edging toward that and Josh Allen obviously, but Lawrence is kind of edging toward that Joe burrow spot. Right? He's like four years younger, I think. Yeah. All right, I don't want to go. Well, I mean, I was thinking of the other way. Yeah, yes. Lawrence might be the cream of the crop last year's crop. How about what do you think with the two years ago rankings between to borrow and Herbert now? There's like two of them making a move. We're now like a week or two away from hearing that, like, to us now propel themselves to number one on that in those three. Well, he certainly number one on the I thought you were completely concussed. How are you back in this game? What the hell just happened? Unreal. And they're investigating, right? The players association is investigating. What are they investigating? It looked like Lawrence turns 22 next week. Trevor Lawrence. Wow. You should call and leave him a message. Two it looked like Trevor berbick after Mike Tyson knocked him out in the mid 80s where he was like delayed. He was wobbling around. It's like, well, that sucks because he was playing really well. I thought he was really good in the first half. And this sucks, this moment's ruined. And then all of a sudden there is in the third quarter. You can't surprise. You can't say his head bounced off the turf like daffy duck. You can't say it was a back injury, right? Yeah, they try to say it. Aggravated a back injury that there was a nerve that got triggered, which was why he reacted that. It was like, oh, that's what happens when you slam your head against the turf. I mean, this organization. What more can you do to them? You can take away the way. I'll say this because I thought that was a bad I mean, they ran, don't worry if you're a bills fan, honestly, 'cause I wouldn't be surprised if they won by 40 when they rematch in Buffalo.
The Trendzone
"mike pereira" Discussed on The Trendzone
"In the end zone especially when you're playing the upper echelon teams in the nfl and like you said the margin for mistake. The difference between victory and defeat is so so thin and day. We saw when tom brady had that. Dexter look on his face before getting a ball with a minute twenty four. We all knew at time it was and it may be. That was a push off on. Chris godwin getting that play to set it up. But you're not gonna get that against the tom. Brady's k. c. That was. I'll give you that. It may have been a push off in may or may not. But that's a that's a judgment call man and i can live with the crappy judgment call but what really pisses me off dude as lunch. A david rips off his helmet middle of the field slaves it onto the ground. K where where are the officials. What are they looking at. That's a penalty. folks. You can't rip your home. It off in the field of play should have been a i go for the cowboys that could have changed the outcome of the football game because they end up settling for three in that when casey yeah it was total crap and mike pereira stuck in the league off. It was disgusting. Same collins work dude. I'm surprised he could talk. He was gulping so much. Tampa bay buccaneer in between it was awful. But you're right about that. It should have been. I go for the boys and it might have changed the outcome of the game and dave. Why not put a little more salt in the wound. Not only that miscall well collins out for five games suspended for p. d.'s. And michael gallup. Who's playing pretty good last night. He sprained ankle. He's gonna be out three to five weeks. A little bump for the cowboys. Luckily got ten days off preparing for your charges. No well. Casey might take away from that thing. Is we know that the tampa bay buccaneers or the super bowl champions and there are obviously an amazing football team. They come out with all their starters back again but when you really got was a good look at what this cowboys team could be With they can play some better defense than they did last year. And and they stay healthy and that line index stays healthy. They can really light it up on any defense in the league. It's gonna be fun to watch cowboys. And obviously the buccaneers are primed and ready to repeat. Oh yeah did well little bummer news worse than this cowboys loss. Dude baltimore bro. They lose marcus. Peters anka said where's the torn. acl's dude the ravens already lost jk dobbins for the day or getting uber. thin at running. Back dave what. What wait but they are undefeated in preseason. Am i correct. All that's true that's true. You know whatever kind of worth it and he got to win those games. The and we know it's slim pickings right now. Right after a fantasy draft. Dave who were a couple of people you would think about picking up to try to take up the slack there. Yeah me tyson. Wilson tyson williams. The is sort of the guy that's leftover. That's not hurt on that ravens running back group there and then of course they brought in levy on bell. He's on the practice squad. I'm sure Once they get him up and running they'll get him in latavius murray they just signed thou- compliments of the saints for cutting him there What perfect timing For them and murray's a pretty solid Back actually had a really..
The Dan Patrick Show
"mike pereira" Discussed on The Dan Patrick Show
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You could just say heisman trophy right but hey once upon a time. He was handed the heisman trophy. Okay so just. He's a heisman trophy winner. He's among those. That have won the heisman. Okay thank you. You're welcome a former. Usc quarterback would we say that that's that would make sense to use the word former. Nfl quarterback and heisman heisman trophy winner. Got it all figured out. Thank you time pharmacy to the question. Which is more likely cowboys making the playoffs or bucks making super bowl. Seventy one percent cowboys make the playoffs all right this day in sports history by the way the veteran. Nfl referee. terry. Mcaulay thought that chris godwin got away with an offensive pass interference last night. Mike pereira the fox analyst said he thought it could have gone either way. I didn't have a problem with it because it felt like jordan. Lewis was you know. Body and goodwin godwin is well. Maybe godwin was reacting to jordan. Lewis but You know it's an important play if it was in dallas. Is it called differently. Perhaps i was happy with the no call. Shouldn't mike prayer as rules official not say it could have gone either way either. Say it's not a foul for. It is a foul. Because that's what he's there for like when he gives you the it could have gone either way. It's you have to put us in a moment there. You're calling that play. You can't go. Hey i could have gone either way. I love that. He was on the fence like that. Unless say look. I would have said no call not like i can say it could have gone either way but he has to make the call that i'm not gonna call it. Yeah pull this started last year and if you remember it was like week eight or nine last year. We were talking about defensive backs flopping the nfl and pushing their helmets back and flailing their arms. It was that's what this kid tried to do on dallas and it's going to be the thing this year. Let's see the team. Sports history will get to that. Let me get to Ryan in honolulu is going to join us. Hi ryan I encourage everyone to check out. Twelve fifteen club tonight with the backroom guys and all the podcasts. On dan patrick dot com. Thank you right i. I've got some box Box verses cowboys more headlines for you know mock headlines okay. here's ryan in honolulu. Stop the prescott dakyns back cowboys kicking. They stay in his lane. But it's okay. Wait get that all right policy and appearance thank godwin. The ramp is no push. Vida says. Get out of my own. Do you know that vida didn't have a sack a tackle and he had no stats. But you could make a case that he was dominating last night. Sorry to interrupt you there right. That's why. I'm sorry i'm wrong. And he's tonkin. Is i'm going to do a poli- i'm out oh Oh how about that. I like that. Todd take not didn't feel good about that last one two. Yeah i like it. I like it. blake in nevada. Hey blake what's on your mind you pay So you guys know what jon gruden said to jimmy jemison About the twenty twenty. Nfl draft a quarterback. Like no to a man. Right okay to man to man. Well done blake. I'm into it like that on this day in sports. history polyester got a few mickey mantle. Hit his four hundred homerun. Nineteen sixty one. Nine hundred seventy two gale. Sayers of the chicago bears retired from the nfl. Nineteenth hundred five lou. Brock stole one hundred fifth base of the season which was a record in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight steffi. Graf got the grand slam. The first time since margaret court. Very tennis named margaret court. Nine seventy but that home run that mickey mantle hit. He hit it out of detroit stadium. Hit it over the right field roof. And they estimated six hundred feet also in this day five days before hitting a home run for the yankees dion. Sanders returned upon sixty eight yards for his first. Nfl touchdown randy in texas. Hi randy what's on your mind today. Probably how fourth plus we also from four with four weeks..
WGR 550 Sports Radio
"mike pereira" Discussed on WGR 550 Sports Radio
"Think they would. Yeah. And look Brady in that offense should have another big year. Go. Mike Evans. You're on my fantasy team. Yeah, I get to it. Hey, that's cool. I get my first experience tonight of rooting for a player because he's on my fantasy team. So will I be able to log on tomorrow morning and see how I'm doing to my first matchup. Yeah. Cool. Wow. Great Anyway, um, I I think I think you know Brady in that offense with the depth of their receiving corps. Uh, they should. They should be able to run roughshod over the Dallas Cowboys defense. And unless unless you know Dan Quinn comes in right, and he had He was known for having really good defenses in Seattle. And then when he became a head coach in Atlanta. Terrible not really that much to write home about as far as their defenses, So maybe back as a coordinator T doesn't have the talent in Dallas, By the way, of course, that he had in Seattle, right Legion of Boom. You know, he doesn't have those players. But maybe he can come in and do something with Dallas defense. Maybe his, you know, not a great head coach, but a really good defense coordinator and he's able to turn things around. But I'm not expecting that. And we get we do get look. There is an element to I will say this about Brady. He's going into you. What is 40? He's 43. I think about to turn 44. He's in his 22nd season. It's really amazing that a guy at that position Is still playing at a high level in this league. All you know, dislike of Brady and the tortuous years in New England aside, it is an amazing story. And, you know, I It's hard to appreciate it because of him being 32 3. I think it is against the bills. But that is phenomenal that we are sitting here talking about the oldest non kicker. To start a game in week one in the history of the National Football League, and at that position to be almost 44 coming off the season he had and who knows? Maybe they become the first Super Bowl repeat champion since New England did it. It really is. I think, Jeremy, it is an amazing story. He's still playing at that level. How many minutes into the game? Will you have your first? Oh, shut option. Ready? Yeah. About what is this? Just talk about Brady. Yeah. Three, So it's going to be I'm on a very short leash. I can tell you. I appreciate what he's doing and accomplishing. I just don't need it. I do not need a Brady love fest, and I'm sure that's coming tonight and by the way If the game does turn out to be a blowout. It's going to be Brady love Fest Times 1000 until they take him out of the game. Because then you get to your film material, and your film material is probably how great Brady's I mean, I'm sure they have a whole bunch of graphics put together by the way. Where is the game tonight? It's got to be NBC, NBC, six, Michaels and Collinsworth and who hold on Who's the officials that Mike Pereira for? That is the Fox. He's Sterrett or NBC is, uh, Mary McAuley. Yes, Terry McCauley. Okay, serious. I just want to know who's gonna explain rules to me tonight because, of course you can get through a football game without having the rules explained. Hey, remember Look for the taunting rule tonight. See if that look for the low blocks outside the new point of emphasis on the blocking outside. Look for the cut blocks, which now are illegal, So I think those are the two Big rules, things to look for this evening and I and I'm pretty sure Terry my colleagues back as the NBC rules analyst So that'll be fun. Okay? Yeah, they'll have some really cool. I'm sure they'll have some really cool graphics about how fabulous Brady is, and I don't think they would. Maybe they won't do the full on Brady Love fest until the second half, and that's fine. I'll be in bed by then. Well, you say Brady love fest and how good he is. I'm just looking at a ranking of the quarterbacks. By Greg Rosenthal. I saw that today. NFL The NFL's website pill dot com and Brady's pretty good. He's just right behind the Bills Quarterback. Greg Rosenthal's ranking of quarterbacks. Pretty cool. Josh Allen's three and brains crave war. It's just crazy to start a season with the bills and their quarterback is, you know, routinely ranked in the top three. Got to like it. Take that, Brady. You know what? Someone tell Brady about it. He'll probably like use that will be like his motivational chip when they play the bills later this season. Uh, yeah. After the game, he'll point out. Yeah, it was a little something special about this game. I do remember Greg Rosenthal had Josh Allen rated ahead of me in this preseason quarterback power. I feel like that's something silly enough. He would actually bring up 80305 50 to join us this morning as we talk Bill Steelers. Tweeted out to see what the point What's everybody doing? What's your plan for Sunday? You know life is back so maybe hopefully you're going to the game. Jeremy is for many of you. It'll be your first game at the stadium since 2019 and almost Two years. Maybe you're going to a big party, Which wasn't something we were talking about a year ago or you're crazy, wacky me and you're hunkering down all by yourself at home to watch the game because you know you just you're not really good socially when the bills are playing, and you don't really want to be talking to people, so you can let us know about that. And whatever else is on your mind. Wow. We'll get connected. With our fans brought you buy Bonds. Hannigan King, a full service buffalo law firm, Justin Tweeted.
Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"mike pereira" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"There was a run. That took place in the Colts. Right? The Colts vs Panthers game. Yeah, and I forget the name of the runner. Um heck of Iran, an old angry run. Which brings me to point out that Kyle Brandt will be on the show on Wednesday is our first guest on Wednesday's show, Benny LeMay, Benny LeMay, Anyone? What? Well, he found out what you may not. Do you know, in the NFL, and that is fine. Uh huh. Have fun. Well, it's not fun. They don't want you looking down at somebody and doing anything you don't if you're going to celebrate Turn around. Look at Look away! Come on! Don't hideous! Look away! Look away the Kool Kris Brockman. What are we doing right now? Thank you. What? What are we doing here? Carry like seven dudes. What It sounds like what it sounds like is an owner or two in the competition committee is watching from wherever he is watching or She is watching. And wherever their family members are watching, um and thinking that stinks. That shouldn't be in our in our game, and they made a call. From the competition committee and had it approved That we're going to cut this stuff out now. Remember when they made a rule about the celebration. Penalties, No props. Remember that can't use props. Can't use the height of Chad doing all that was hard of. Yeah, Chad, taking the Pylon and using it as like a mini potter writes. All of those were the good old. They can't use the ball as a prop. Can't go to the ground can't go anything. I remember. I went up to my son's cell phone. Remember, I went up. I went up to Mike Pereira, who was the head of NFL refs at the time. And I remember I saw Mike this is in Tampa, Florida. I remember this exactly happened where it happened, because I was right. I'm like You're making a mistake, and his response to me was well, you need to then reach out to all the Youth football and high school coaches. The letters that we get from them saying you guys need to knock it off because it's happening at our level. And it's it's teaching. Kids the wrong thing to do. So you need to help us out. And I'm wondering, I don't know I haven't reached out. I don't know for sure. I'm wondering if this might be a, uh Coming from that. Spirit intent as well. I don't know. All I know is that if you are sitting at home and having the same reaction as T, J, Jefferson and Brockman And saying that this is Awful and No fun and anything like that. The good news is the preseason is the moment in which you see a flag for Benny LeMay. Rennie LeMay, That's you See the flag now. To let everybody know. Knock it off. Don't think you're going to see it in the regular season. If you see if you remember remember a couple years ago, the point of emphasis was something to do with making sure that the player hits in the right spot. And the and the defense that the rule of emphasis was. It's on you as the defender to find the right strike zone and in the preseason, all sorts of flags were coming out and you're like, Oh, my God, and there was one preseason weekend, I think was about four or five years ago. People were going nuts. How terrible is this going to bear? And then the regular season starts and we don't see the same thing to running back. Put their head down, right? What? They're running back with their head down the running back, initiating contact outside of the chatting with a penalty on the running back, and we're all flipping out. And then it really didn't materialize in the regular season. The problem is is when the point of emphasis stuff goes a little overboard in the regular spree season, it still goes into the regular season. That's when Tom Brady has to tweet out during the middle of a Thursday night game. All these holding penalties are insane. It makes the game unwatchable, and then it goes away went away. So so weird. If you think the taunting stuff is beyond the pale And the No fun league. Wait till next week. In the preseason, you're going to see my predictions. You're going to see it tons more next week. Where they're telling the officials, you see anything of a player flexing, barking, looking, staring down at an especially down at an opponent opponent down on ground. Player flexing, staring, barking standing above, said player. An eye contact is made. That's your 15 yard penalty, And I bet you every single coach in every single Meeting room. Is pointing out Benny LeMay to everyone saying, Knock it off. If you want to flex and bark, turn around and do it away from the guy you just beat right then we're cool. And I know you think this might be a little too much. I don't know where it's coming from. That's my prediction. And if it does get too much during the regular season, have Tom Brady tweeted about it fixed gun? That's what happened a couple years ago. That's a fact. The point of emphasis on holding already tweeting out. This is unwatchable. Finished poof like Keyser Soze. A 21 years 26 years ago gone Do you know 85% of people who played daily fantasy sports lose is really that surprising..
The Rich Eisen Show
"mike pereira" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"I don't believe he's going to have it. And the fact that cam. Newton's cut matt jones starts now in new england giving us three week one rookie starters three and we're all just excusing san francisco with kyle shannon because scowl shan an has that cachet and needed to go to the super bowl two years ago and they all start in. That guy went to the super bowl with them. Two years ago and lance we know is going to get in there just in fields gonna be there with a clipboard. Earbud standing there on sunday night. Football while andy dalton takes the slings and hours of the los angeles rams defense. Andy dalton says. It's his time it better be his time. Because if not that pressure is going to be jacked up and the guy who sat trubisky for foles last year and put folds in when trubisky was technically in the win. Loss column winning quarterback. That guy is going to sit back and try to be patient. I don't think he's going to have that luxury. That's not gonna happen then. Wendy put him in there when you put them in there telling you deep end of the pool for somebody who's been through it unless you don't think again but i already gave you the reality on the ground that you need to see to sit your rookie starter. You need to see a run game. That can't protect him. An offensive line that can protect him and his inability to protect himself because of defensive schemes. Confusing him that may be the one that sits fields as you saw him get blown up. A preseason game against the bills lost his helmet. Run gain can protect. The line might not be able to. I don't know only knows that we haven't even played a down with andy. Dalton is a starter in chicago. And he's trending because there are bears fans who want to happen now and that is a metric in the decision making skills for guy. Who's you know. Couple years removed from his coach of the year award. But doesn't have the wherewithal there's no in we trust in chicago like there is a new england. What pressures bill and feel from the outside zero urban zero shanahan zero robert sala even with the new york jets zero. This one's a different ball of wax. Not amazing how it works. But it's that's how it works. That's no joke. People are freaking out over the weekend over The first initial application of the new emphasis in the national football league from the officiating department. So there are new rules that are instituted. And then there are the dreaded emphasis emphasis points of emphasis. And what the league will say is. The rules are on the book. Were just making sure that we will emphasize this gets called. And this year. The old point of emphasis is the taunting palling fifteen yards for taunting and There was a run that took place in the colts. Right the colts vs panther's game. Yeah and I forget the name of the runner. a heck of a an old angry run which brings me to point out that kyle brandt will be on the show on. Wednesday is our first guest on wednesday. Show benny lemay any lemay anyway. What well he found out what you ll may not do in the nfl. And that is Half fun won't it's not fun. They don't want you look down at somebody and doing anything you don't if you're going to celebrate turn around look look away. Come on hideous away to cool. Chris brockman weather. We do now. What what are we doing here. Buried like seven dudes. Yeah what it sounds like. It sounds like is an owner or two in the competition committee is watching from wherever he is watching or she is watching and wherever their family members are watching And thinking that stinks. That shouldn't be in our in our game and they made a call from the competition committee and had it approved that. We're gonna cut this stuff out now. I remember when they made a rule about celebration penalties. No props remember that use. Props can't use the height of chad doing his height of yeah chad taken. The pylon and using it is like many potter writes all good old. They can't use the ball as a probe can't go to the ground. Can't go anything that i remember. I wanted to my cell phone. I remember when i went up to mike pereira. Who is the head of nfl. Refs at the time. And i remember i saw mike. This is in tampa florida. I remember this exactly happened where it happened because i was right on mike. You're making a mistake. And his response to me was well. You need to then reach out to all the youth. Football and high school coaches the letters that we get from them. Saying you guys need knock it because it's happening at our level and it's it's teaching kids the wrong thing to do so you need to help us out and i'm wondering i don't know i haven't reached out i don't know for sure i'm wondering if this might be Coming from that spirit intent as well. I don't know all i know. Is that if you are sitting at home. And having the same reaction as tj jefferson and brockman and saying that this is awful and no fun and anything like that. The good news is the preseason is the moment in which you see a flag for benny lemay rennie lemay. That's you see the flags now to let everybody know. Knock it off. I don't think you're gonna see it in the regular season if you see if you remember remember couple years ago the point of emphasis was something to do with making sure that the player hits in the right spot and and they've they've rule of emphasis was it's on you as a defender to find the right strike zone and in the preseason all sorts of flags will come out and you're like oh my god and there was one preseason weekend i think it was about four or five years ago. That people going nuts. How terrible is gonna be. And then the regular season starts and we don't see the same thing running back with their head down right running back with their head down the running back initiating contact outside the penalty on the running back and we're all flipping out and it really didn't materialize in the regular season. The problem is is when the point of emphasis stuff goes a little overboard in the regular season still goes into the regular season. That's when tom brady tweet out. During the middle of a thursday night game all these holding penalties are insane it makes game unwatchable and then it goes away and so weird if you think the taunting stuff is beyond the pale and the no fun league wait till next week in preseason. You'll get to see. I my predictions prediction to see it tons more next week. Where they're telling the officials you see anything of player flexing barking looking staring down at an appointment especially down at an opponent ponant down on ground player flexing staring barking standing above said player an eye contact is made. That's your fifteen yard penalty. And i bet you. Every single coach in every single meeting room is pointing out. Benny lemay to everyone saying knock it off. If you want to flex and bark turn around and do it away from the guy. You just beat right. Then we're cool. And i know you think this might be a little too much. I don't know where it's coming from. That's my prediction and if it does get too much during the regular season. Have tom brady tweet about it. Thanks done because that's what happened a couple of years ago. That's a fact. The point of emphasis on.
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"You pay him to win all of them. But there's a certain amazing calmness about him. In the biggest games and we could get on the three that he lost. You know, the two against New York You did not play as well. The safety took in the end zone. A Super Bowl. 46 to me was inexplicable, and I wondered where he was. But the game against Philadelphia. Hell, how many yards did he throw for that game? Loss. It was over 500 yards. That may have been his greatest Super Bowl performance, but that's in hell. So it's not that simple. But the 40 Niners looked into it, and Jimmy was playing well, I we came to the conclusion and we talked about it at one point is greatest Brady is I said I'd pass. I would not do that, And I think they ultimately made the same call. And I think it's easy to say he went to Florida. Warm weather rejuvenated his body. Hey, didn't you know he looked good? At the end of the year he was playing his best football. Later in the year. On around the whole chain around them. There are a lot of awkward moments this year. We're looked like they're not gonna be able to get this right and I remember they were a five seat. They did not win their division to go on the road for all the games except the home game, which also leads to We've had a couple of these. They're close. And the 40 Niners played at Stanford Stadium, The Rams played at the Rose Bowl. 40. Niners won their game The Rams lost to Pittsburgh. On. Do you know l A is going to host the game next year. And the Rams are good and the charges young quarterback is good. We could have a situation next year were to home teams play in the Super Bowl. We've had a few near misses. The Minnesota situation was there, but then they lost in Philadelphia. I This is a tremendous advantage to one team, and there's I was trying to wrap my brain around what you could do. Obviously, you have to use NFL facilities. The host is Super Bowl. Where else would you go play the game? They have to be a from television standpoint, and everything that goes into it. So we just kind of dodged it, But I think another think Andy Reid's situation at home. The tackles on Kansas City's offensive line. And the fact that it was a champ of a home game. I just did not allow Kansas City to ever sniffed the game. They don't score a touchdown right to the end. He threw a pick at the end. And I don't know what you would do. I mean, part of my thought was maybe have two different Super Bowl venues at the ready, but you're not going to do that, because there's so much when you don't have a pandemic, and you have to secure hotels and It's a real process. You just don't show up a week before and play the Super Bowl, so I don't know how you overcome it. And I think we were just lucky that it never happened before, John, but it was a big advantage. For the Champion Bay Buccaneers to play that game inside their home stadium. Yeah, give me 10 of crept over. Remember, they go back to the washing game. And who was that? Taylor? Hi, Nikki. Or something like that. That guy. Played a pretty good game and they had to go to Green Bay. They have to go toe had to go to New Orleans to get there. But actually in the game. This is supposed to be one conference versus another kind of ball game. You're not. You're not supposed to have any home field advantage there. And I think we'd all agree and you know it. Tampa Bay was aided by a lot of factors, and one of the ones I put at the top of the list is was that was a home game. They didn't have to travel. They know the stadium. They know the wind patterns. There were fans in the stands by the way. And most of them were Tampa fans. I don't think that had a huge impact champion and have to go. Our Kansas City didn't have to go silent count, But you'd have to say this is something the league has got to try to avoid. I don't know how you avoid it. They got lucky for the 1st 54, But there's no doubt it helped them when Super Bowl 55 to play that game at home. Yeah, I just don't know what you can do. Because essentially, they say, Okay, you get the Super Bowl, then you have to start working on it and start you know, getting everything ready? And you get that? Money in there and you get the hotel's said. I just I don't know what you could do. Give the game picked a game the year before and pick a bad team together. Yes, but then there's no guarantee that I can hear you. Maybe have two different venues and switch. You know, by Thanksgiving, That probably wouldn't give you enough time to get it. You would almost have to happen, like in the divisional or something. You know something like that. Because all the sudden you like, Well, this team looks pretty good. We better Switzer that you couldn't wait that long. You'd have to do it. I think around Thanksgiving next year. The Rams are good. We've already talked about that. When the Chargers get completely healthy in this quarterback watch him grow into his second year. It's not out of the realm of possibility. It could be in l A l A next year inside, So if I But you know, both of them is highly unlikely. But the rancher good. I just think the league I don't know what you could do about it, but it definitely impacted the winning and losing of that game. Yesterday, the champion played the game at home. Where we're going to stay when we go down there next week. Next next year delay We need a change of venue. There's everything we got to know where Mike Pereira is a bungalow on man saying, that's where we gotta be. I've got family in Manhattan Beach. I just I don't know if they would they would allow us to be. I've got daughters all over there. Do you want to stay somewhere I got I got rent payments on two or three places that I don't think that will be in this year. Playboy Mansion had steps gone. We go to the play lately, man. I've never been there but invited there a few times never made it there if you've never made it to the grotto Never have Somebody wins. Somebody control my crushed velvet bathrobe, all ready to go and just couldn't make it. He sold that while he was alive. And if memory serves, which often times it doesn't The part of the deal was he had to have, like half was able to live there till the past. Obviously like that was the deal. How would that be like you own the place? But here comes happen like the robe. 23 o'clock. What's well, if he's staying all the playmates or staying as well, keep it the way it is. I'll just stay over here and have my great not cereal. It burns say What great nuts, flakes taste like his. I just I've never know He loves them. He said. They're young. It's It's great. Not so sure. They're young. He loves him. Okay. Pretty good. Good. He's in pretty good. Lot of extra fiber, John Hmm. When I get older, only that fiber no. How can you tell if you're low on fiber? I don't know. I'm getting to that age. Better start doing stuff like you need more roughage. I didn't mean right Junior diet yesterday was yesterday was just meat fest. You know, I felt like a cave man. It just it was meat. That's all. I did it like just tons of stuff on the barbecue yesterday from chicken wings that Steak and Tri tip in this name. I didn't I thought about a salad for a minute thing in there. No, you're not on Super Bowl Sunday, you know. Oh, I overindulged. I gotta get on the bike for a long time. I didn't do the bike this morning. How bad it was. I got to get out anything for a couple hours today. You didn't work out this morning after? Yes, sir. No, I'll do that I'll do this afternoon. Over like a fat blob right now you've got you overdid it way over, did it? Dante witness going to join us to the bottom of the hour. He Hill will give us the player perspective from this whole thing, especially when it comes to those paddles pass interference calls in the second quarter that aided the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Sex line is Why don't been one o'clock make an appointment for this Tom Flores finally into the Hall of Fame, and we're gonna talk to him. At one o'clock. It's popping on only here on the SportsCenter. You're listening to Papa and Lund on both sides of the dialogue. KNBR, 1045 FM and 60 80 A M. These sports with this traffic.
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"The bit and I'm bias for James Court because my daughter works on a show The James Corden is just a comedic genius. And he has such a great, you know, carpool, karaoke, E and His musical talent outside of Jack Black. He's he's just incredibly gifted in a lot of ways. So he did a bit where he went to give to give the weekend advice on dance moves from the pre game that got the pregame show was really good, all of them the game broadcast itself. I thought it was a little light. A lot of regards both of them. I think we're off in the whole show was just off. But anyway, the pregame initially had cordoned go into the weekend, and he's teaching on the sprinkler dance, which I have perfected by them. Yeah, I I brought out the sprinkler. He also got the flight attendant where I got that one down, which he did not show on the flight attendant, which is a key a key dance. But he did the sprinkler the way too. And he's from England. Obviously. James Corden, how to drink tea. It was just all he was so funny. And they did the whole bitch you know, weekend was if you played along well, lot of people didn't like his halftime performance. I thought it was really good, and I thought the way they got on the field and moved around the end. Was the key part so Everything went well yesterday, except for the homies and the Kansas City Chiefs who just II trying to wrap my brain around If I could even visualized them for them, performing that poorly on both sides of the ball, the sloppiness and we'll talk to Mike Pereira about the The calls. You could debate a couple of them, but really In no way shape reform did they deserve To even be compete in the game. I'm not gonna say win the game. They just were into me. It's a fundamental And Andy Reid. I love Andy Reid. I thought again of what happened with the sun on Thursday night. I think had a tremendous impact on the game. I don't know if we'll ever admit that and we'll see what the events are. But there was an automobile accident his son was involved. Small child five years of age injured the other way. His son Brett, is injured and And he lost a son years ago. Toe overdose. On mission. Britt did Mehdi he was drinking. So how? You know what was it? What level? Was he ad and all of that? But Andy until he broke through last year, had a problem with game management. Thought he managed the game very poorly. Yesterday. Obviously, what happened there at the end of the first half. Has just inexcusable to me and the time out is debatable. But how they even you know, when they kick the field goal. They kicked it with 10. Seconds on the clock there, though, there was time there Run that back. They kicked that field goal too early. The time outs that he called to prolong it today not watch the game, the NFC championship game back from Green Bay and what Brady was able to do to him there, and I know what he's thinking, but you get to get the ball to start the second half. You don't need to do that. Do what I was wanted them to do was they have that drive for the field goal before halftime. Make him sit through the weekend. And have it feel like the entirety of the weekend and then take the ball to start the second half. If you're Kansas City, and that way, Brady as far as the laps real time he wouldn't touch the ball for a bout of the hour. That's what you wanted them to do. And he just He got greedy. He wanted the ball back, and I think he's made a mismanagement. Costume there in the game. Felt like it was over at halftime, even though with the homies, you don't act. I was even, you know, thinking if they score coming out of halftime, do you kick you go for two or do you kick the extra point? Down 21 to 6 and They won't have driving a little bit by the butt kicker and a good game nail in the 52 yarder, but I and ease and I think he would have one more championship games and Many matchups with Bella check. It just came down to game management and I think, and he had certainly a lot going on. With what happened on Thursday night, but I think when he looks back on the game, his game management reverted back to a younger Andy Reid. There was pre Super Bowl winning head coach Andy Reid and Just did not help their cause. Yeah, and I know that Brady. Obviously the quarterback's gonna get the VP and I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it. But I wish you could give it to the front seven of the bucks. I mean, it was just unbelievable. And I don't know what it would have been if Kansas City would have their tackles in there, but They harassed him all day long. They even harassed him more than the 40. Niners did. I can't believe some of the passes he got off. I don't I don't put it on the homes. You just He didn't have a chance. Like you said at any time. I don't remember him ever hitting his back foot like you said. He was thrown by a ball sideways, which really was hit the guy in the face mask, and they probably should have been a touchdown. And with Tyree Girls got it just right. She dropped one right his hands so he didn't get any help. They weren't able to run the ball. Obviously, when they fell behind, they were having success running the ball, but The two deep Look, they didn't have the blitz and that front seventh and including the linebackers in the Times are a lot of the time. It reminded me of what the 40 Niners doing up until seven minutes left..
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"That's the Beatles on Sullivan. You don't get this mom. Hey, I got to say, though, for me Copes and Murph and everything. I just feel like you know, even if you are I don't even know what? Like what? The point of performing at the halftime because you're going to get full aid. No matter how you do, you could be. They could reunite the Beatles. They could put the police and you name the artist. No matter of what stature. How great, really, From the moment they hit the stage. You're gonna get ripped his sex. This is gonna get ripped us copes and mid like it. I didn't mind it. I don't mind the weekend. He's very derivative of Bruno Mars and sort of that might he's kind of from the Michael Jackson family tree of You know, I'm gonna R and B Bruno Mars probably has Lot more talent, and the wife thinks I think he's also he's a better I feel like he's a better show cause to Candice's point. The weekend is like he's all about the song and all about the music. Bruno Mars is out there like he performs. But right now we're just about like the weekend is about like atmosphere, and he's about like creating that mood. And really, Yeah, she's right, like brutal gives you that energy in that joy weekend is more like I'm the mysterious dude in the back of the high school class who doesn't have words? It's a question like that was the right choice. Like you know what I mean? Just the start of the tombs. Good. I mean, the tune their good copes. I gotta tell you, the truth of the matter is and I'm still I still have a prejudice against the weekend after May after it like stole Adam Sandler's chick and uncut gems and made out with her at the club. Is he in there? Oh, yeah, he plays the role himself. Is he totally detached and flat in the movie where he wants up hooking up with Sandler's Lady at some nightclub in and Sandler beat, you know he he pitches a fit at this club? Probably. I don't blame him. Not any other holy smoke. I mean, holy smoke Well, anyway, so we all listen. I didn't. I didn't hate it. I thought the funhouse mirror thing was funny, And it led to the really funny gifts that are going on that quality. And then the kids were thrown away. When the when the jockstrap showed up in the funhouse mirror for that little like slam dance and they were doing building. Declan was going What is going on? He was tripping out. And then when they spread around the field, that was quite a sight about 1000 of them on the field or whatever. Sounds more jocks. We'll get a bunch of Senator Jack. Straight up way. Haven't seen that many. You somebody help somebody invested like in game stop and jockstraps. The thing is about the jockstrap is when you consider what really goes in that pouch. Do you really want that on your face? Well, hopefully they've been laundered. Polly. I would certainly hope so. Alright, There you go. There's your scintillating weekend review from us. You are one of 45 Matty Varos, too pliable on the show the day that we just stand in awe of number seven on KNBR, one of 45 and 6 80 the sports later. You're listening to Murph in Mac available Now your Amazon echo smart speaker. He sees Kay, NPR, 1045 and 67. Ft Sports leader, Tampa Brady I'm close. Do you want a short pants and runs it in for a touchdown pass from Tom Brady? Tom Pub? A. Tom Brady is just only second touchdown pass tonight to rob from custody. Sham pupae tonight. It's the interception. The bench of these they hold the way into the end zone Chicken gradually one of their defense of stars call them what he will clear the champions and TV. 12 submits himself as the goat. The team had a lot of confidence. We came together in the right time to play the best game of the year. Today. Papa and lunch check in with my key role books. Mike Pereira at 10 55, followed by a hit man Dante Whitner at 12 30. And as the home of Giants baseball, we honor the life of our fellow baseball journalist, broadcaster and radio friend Pedro Gomez, who passed away yesterday. On these sports leader in 2004 Barack Obama was elected to the U. S senate in a landslide vote. Four years later, he made history when he received more votes than any presidential candidate in history and was elected the 44th, president of the United States. Yes, we can, the first African American to hold the office way salute President Barack Obama during Black History month. Humorless San Francisco celebrates Black History Month 2021..
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"I'm not sad. Don't know what the extent of his back issues well, no more 11 30 when the writer from Detroit joins us, but that would be an area of concern. And then you know how high do you have to go here? Because let's face it. The 40. Niners are not the only team they're gonna be in play for him. You don't think Sean Payton put away his ice cream and started looking at stand Matthew Stafford video outside and even You don't think Frank, right? Did that as well? I mean, come on. I mean, there are a lot of those two had, like the 49 years. What you're looking at here. Is your one player away from winning the Super Bowl, and that players the quarterback in both New Orleans, you just lost. Drew Brees is taste him. Really? The guy's Jamie's really the guy have Matthew Stafford. How do what we have to do to give up on him. Andy. Likewise, 40 Niners. Hell, you know you're going this time We were getting ready to go play Kansas City in the Super Bowl. So you're there as long as you come back healthy, So the question is How How high would you go? And how high will you have to go? You get a 33 year old Matthew Stafford Well, and you just brought up a great point. It's one of those things that it may be advantage to be picking later, because if I'm New Orleans and I'm sitting at 28, that's a crapshoot. Draft pick. I mean, I'd go Stafford for 28. If I'm Indianapolis, and I think I'm a player away from Maybe being in the mix for championship in the A F. C. I know I'm good. The Chiefs are but they're picking at 21. I just think 12 like you said. It's too high, so I'm not. I'm not trading 12. But it would I change what I trade 21 or 28. Maybe That's that's maybe a trade back from 12 drop back in the draft and a couple of picks, and then you just ways to look at it. But it's gonna be fun if you were starting already is the day after the championship games. I hope Jeff he's not listening. We love you, Jimmy. Come on. He listens every day. He just texted me. He's not very happy at all. He's called me Ugly. See basic is back with Mom and dad in Chicago land, right? He knows he knows what's going. I'm not even gonna bring up Travis. Kia's a backup quarterback here I have. I'm not gonna bring it up. But I have thought about him having a heart attack. I was like, really would not be a bad back up quarterback here. He would not be a bad back up quarterback ignoring that. All right, Mikey Rule books is going to join us coming up next. All the calls from the weekend. We'll get into that. And is he sitting in Manhattan Beach again? We'll get into that with Mike Pereira. Only here on the SportsCenter thesis is Papa in Lund Live on FM. Veces knbr 1045 and 6 80, These sports leader Chilton Auto body Traffic.
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"Is the scoring is the highest scoring here ever in the history of the NFL. And you would think that would translate to more viewers, But there may be extenuating circumstances, but I know if the scoring went down the same degree that it went up This year from last year, the owners would have had a huge meeting with all the All the officials and river own and we can't have this, so they got a Overcorrect or correct this to me, and they didn't call fouls as much this year. So I think the officiating had a lot to do with the offensive bonanza. But why were ratings down this year? Is it just Ah, lot going on. We got a presidential election that was at the highest level news programs are doing much higher ratings. All of them no matter what side you're on, the ratings were higher. Shall we just say 2020 John? A little bit like 2016 2020 was so more unusual because The pandemic, But you would think that would translate. Why would that bring ratings down in the NFL? But I how much does the league react to it? And they were all down? I mean 7% across the board, but Fox is coverage, which On Thursday night Football was down ESPN is was down. I mean, just about every show how it's still, you know, among the highest rated television shows in all the country, which is the way the NFL when they go when they're redoing the deals right now. But they gotta have a plan here. Why would the ratings go down? Do we just say it was approached presidential election like it wasn't 16. And this particular candidate is just different. And that's why they never went down and 12 or a door for you know, go back over the years, any four year interval you want the ratings always went up from the mid sixties, all the way through. 16. They went down in 16. They went down and 17 another down and 20. Why did they go down this year? It's weird, because, like you said, scoring generally in the history of sports, no matter what the sport sport is, we like scoring, and so usually the numbers go up. I don't know if you could just say the pandemic because, like you said, especially at the beginning when we started doing our show amidst this Anything that would allow you to, you know, sit in your house and watch something and especially take your mind off of what was going on in our country. Sometimes I thought the numbers would be up not down, so I don't know what the explanation is. I really don't Is a lot of our numbers were down. Nothing. I mean, people weren't locked in on sports, obviously, but once baseball came back to like 23rd, our ratings went up. And this is the NFL. I mean, the the MBA. Had other issues why their ratings were down in the competition in the bubble certainly is part of it. Baseball, I think comparatively, and they gave you a lot more playoff games, so it's hard to compare. But I kind of felt as though the NFL would be not immune to it but least Affected by it, Like the draft ratings were huge back in April. They pretty much went through the year without any changes they didn't have. Preseason preseason is not a big radio. We're just talking about regular season ratings. But Michael Be able to amplify Why? Because I know that's that's a major concern of the owners, obviously, especially when they're renegotiating. Brand new across the board media rights with all these, they're gonna do more and better, So they just write it off as though it's just, you know, presidential election in the midst of a pandemic, people are Have other issues There are, you know, out of work, you know that people lose their TVs in their homes as their lest availability to watch. Tell me, I don't know, but I think the league is going to be concerned then for Mike's purposes. Is it just too much to me? Jimmy, you gotta call follows. If you're not gonna call offense of holding what the hell then let's just hold every single play, especially with a team like the 40 Niners that run his own scheme, and there's getting the backside blocked. If they're not gonna call the backside block just told every play. If you get away with nine of them, and they call the 10th one, you know we'll live with that. But I, you know to me They got to get it right And it's got to be clear and obvious. No, just call What's accurate, But I wonder how the league execs TV execs and you know the officials will React to very few files being called this year. Comparatively, and then I think a huge by product was the scoring was with the highest scoring here by far in the history the NFL this year. Where were the ratings better? Wouldn't logic tell you just through the history of sports that we like scoring right? Chicks dig the long ball. All that kind of much is too much too much. Yeah, I don't know. We'll see. I mean, I tell your wife if the If the numbers went down the way they went up this year, you'd have the owners. Gone crazy, and they would blame it all on the ratings, so the numbers are down. The ratings are down. The points are up, so that's not necessarily true. No, I'd loved The Bears Saints game may have been my favorite game of the weekend. What grabs a playoff game that was going to come down to a special teams a block or How about winds dropping the deep shot off the wildcat? Chet sweep? QB Past Repair was beautiful. It was a great plate, he simply dropped a post route touchdown. I thought that game's greats. Everybody's different. I would say most fans want higher scoring, but you don't want to Hi. You don't want it to be. What happened in Cleveland, Pittsburgh at the end turned into a big 12 game. You got it. You know, a lot of that was just, you know, Cleveland, playing more relaxed to play this play the clock, but no, I I don't know I enjoy to me the best of the game. That was most interesting to watch Baltimore Tennessee's good game. But New Orleans Chicago Chicago's defense, damn near, won them the game and they didn't have a quarterback. You could say too risky didn't play. You know he played, okay. But I mean the Rams one without a quarterback Washington almost one with their backup quarterback, that kid You might have made yourself, Honey. He's a free agent, by the way, you f a U like that heinie, John? Yeah, Maybe he got signed in early December and played like that They was pulled that game off. That would have been scorching. Cool. Yeah. That would've been the biggest quarterback the quarterback upset in the history of the game, some guiding peel Taylor Hi, Nikki versus Tom Brady. And if he's got a better heinie Taylor's got a better hiding in time. He dives into the end, so I would just like this guy I took off from the four yard line kids pretty good athlete playing Old Dominion or somebody like, Who is this guy that slow his roll? Now? No one's gonna get $25 million a year. Making a starting quarterback? No, but he might have got himself a back of job. You know, I wasn't It wasn't too bad. I'll get invited to a camp where he'll be a two or three. I mean without question he played well, All right. We'll get more into it with the mic bird about 10 51 thing that's coming out of the MBA right now. I'm gonna throw out your plus. We're going to some orders, then we'll get back to the NFL. With Mike Pereira on this Monday. Only here on the SportsCenter, Take Papa and learn to the house your house. Listen to these sports leader on your Amazon Echo..
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"Unite Greg, Papa and John Lund. Continue here. Them on your Google home. Smart speaker by saying play, Okay, NPR. Friends Mike Pereira, and about 10 55. He had a great tweet yesterday where after he had finished, he asked if he was gay. He thought to himself. He's gonna watch the next game or is he gonna sit on the beach and drink vodka? And I think, sit on the beach and drank vodka is probably What he did, but we'll find out in about 10 55 carnal, eternal 11 30. The lawyers sweep the weekend in very different fashion. They come back against the Clippers they hold on against the Raptors. Steph was really good in one game and struggled in the Next to We'll get into that and get into the warriors at the 10 game Mark and then our pal Dante Whitner is going to join us to talk everything he saw about the playoffs. Plus, he's going to be far more interested in what happens tonight. Uh, yes. The Buckeyes in the Crimson died, and I'm gonna shoot again because Dante is from the Ohio State University. But I think in this sake of equal time because we don't care who wins this game tonight. I'll be watching for the draft eligible. Certainly think I'm gonna shoot an email to our friend Eli Gold, the voice of the Alabama Crimson tide and maybe get him on. Maybe right after Dante me, Jalen Waddle. He's the one guy on their chain that I thought was possibly I thought, you know, I just Sherry Judy's just another. Level and he proved out to be really underwhelming as a rookie, but I'll get better, but I got bottle was maybe better than him. They get Jalen waddled back off the ankle injury along with Devante Smith. I mean, if your state You're worried about it. I thought Jalen Ronald heading into the year. John was a better wide receiver. But how they gotta stop Alabama from scoring. Their offense is incredible. Yeah, the only I think the only chance they have is if Justin Fields is what he was against Clemson. Me. That's why he has to be. I mean, they both got great offensive players, but What Alabama like you said has is unbelievable. Plus, I know this is boring to talk about for fans, but There's probably five or six offensive lineman between Alabama Ohio State, They're gonna go say top. There always is great this year old. These offensive lines are really good. So Something to look for tonight for? Yeah, There's so much talent on the field tonight. I'm excited. I love that. We get six games over the weekend, and then we get a national championship on Monday. It's amazing. I think it's shit without question. The three best days of football viewing ever. I mean to have three Playoff games and Saturday come back with three more on Sunday and then on Monday in a roll out a BCS national championship game, College football and I'm the college football season's weird but these clean chemical the argument. These are not the two best teams. Especially after what Ohio State did to Clemson. So in Alabama's just every year, you think that's the best Alabama team I've ever seen. And now this team with Mack Jones a quarterback, and now she Harris to run cross check with a huge piece on him over the weekend in the Chronicle. D telling him and he's got his far is yards from scrimmage. He's passed him all. Shaun Alexander, Bobby Humphrey, Mark Ingram, Derrick Henry Trent Richardson T. J. Yeldon. He sees the He's the best running back in the history of Alabama. I'm not leaving, you know, getting going back to when he was younger Chess. Jacobs was a better player out of the adult translate into the NFL. But natural Harris is really matured and becoming a big part. So we'll be watching him. He's a bear you guy from any act. Last game, Chris Babcock and the money Vista Mustang. Shut him down. Kinda. They beat him, but it was it was a shootout, but anyway Um So did you watch the Nickelodeon broadcast it all? Yes. Did you get slimed? You know my seat to watch. You know what's interesting about it. I didn't have any idea. Error. At least I had for gotten, and then George comes over and he was watching it on his phone, and he was laughing. They said, What do you watch? And he said, I'm watching the broadcast on Nickelodeon. So we threw it on. And first of all, I thought that no eagle And especially Nate Burleson were so good because obviously it's a totally different audience and make references. So when something happens, it's pretty elementary. What you say, and they're making references like well, It's like it. Recess or it's like when you have detention or like and then the slime touchdowns and the little Sheldon coming up When you know, though, it's offsides. What does that mean? I mean, I think it's genius. I don't know how much it'll help. I don't know what the ratings will be on it, but you know for for kids teaches them the game. I don't know if it'll end up working, but I thought it was. It was a pretty good idea. And I thought it was kind of funny, too. Who was the young lady that was in the middle of no ego? And Nate Burleson? She on the entire game, or just the one part that I watched, you know, she was on the whole time except for half time in the you know, they were kind of breaking down what was happening, But I think she was probably some Nickelodeon personality that they some of the kids relate to. I didn't mean she obviously didn't have much, but it was. I mean, I thought it was pretty ingenious to give it a shot, Would you? Yeah, they're trying to grow an audience there. Which tells you that the NFL is worried about you know, young people aren't playing football out of high school programs getting scrapped and Because of the concussion situation. It's just you got to reach out to him in a younger way. If they're not going to actually gonna be playing it so that they talked about it a lot. And you know, Sean Payton got slimed after they won the game, and there was a lot of fun elements to it. The bottom line is I don't know if you saw the numbers, but NFL ratings were down. They were down a lot this year 7%. Some of the shows were down more. The only time I can recall the ratings going down was the 2016 year, and it also spilled in 17. The presidential election was a big part of that, Colin capper, Nick and him demonstrating of like it or not, people, the ratings went down. I don't know why they went down this year. You would think that they would go up. In light of our all you know, quarantine, less people. The stadium I don't know why I'm in the N B. A. You could have an understanding why the numbers went down. Baseball stood well compared to the NBA, but football's got to be a concern. My football one down the one thing I would ask Mike Pereira..
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"mike pereira" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"Let's go like I just I don't know why that's a thing for May. I just go nuts over. It doesn't bother me and football because football. It's critically important to get it right and they're used to stoppages when you're an offensive player used to sitting over on the bench and not playing for several minutes. Word bothers May is in baseball when a guy's out on a mound and they're looking at a bank thing play at first base and its Let's go. This guy's got to throw a baseball. He's in rhythm here. You can't just make him stand out there. With one out and you know to one count if it's a foul ball or something, and look at it over and over again, So I really don't have a problem with it and football. I think we've grown used to it going back to the Mike Renfro play, you know, in the Steelers Houston Oilers. That's how far back it was really started that you know, there was a touchdown that he scored. That was not allowed. That kind of replay came in in the eighties. They took it away for years. They brought it back. I'm just used to it basketball. I think they're doing a better job of expediting it. You know, border retired fast in the replay center, and they're letting the official there and these officials are nailing it. I mean, it's all a bunch of hockey leagues and Jean stare tours. Just nailing it when they get on the mike. They're doing a great job. But baseball. I thought I didn't have any offending happen in baseball. But baseball's the one sport that I like it the least to be sure for me. Yeah. Um you like you said, if you're used to it now I do the same thing you do. I'll wait for a while then because I like to get by the commercials that breaks up. You stay in rhythm with the game little bit more, but No, I found it to be good. I was excited all weekend. I thought it was cool Most of the game for good. Like I said, I understand we can get into 1000 things. But if you got a playoff guy like Nick Foles in your offense stinks like the Bears When you just give me a shot, at least. Yeah, I was. I was texting deep Aleppo after the game. John D Phillipos, their quarterback, coach, but he runs their offense and he knows him. Well, I mean, Nick Foles did not play well this year, You're basically did come in playing well. New Orleans defense. Is really good. The Packers defense is really good. The Rams defense is really good. I think Seattle just wasn't the same. Jamal Adam's just wasn't himself in this game. The one thing you don't want him doing is going backwards. You want him coming forwards charging He is the one area he has a liability. It's funny when they first got a member. I thought that George Kittle matchup. They didn't do that at all. He's not good in coverage. It's not his strong suit. He's better coming forward and charging. And you know, starting from depth, and we'll talk to Dante Whitner 12 30 about that. He's just a better player. I mean, put him in in man coverage down the fields. Just not his skill set. But you know, I my main takeaway is the best defense is in pro football reside in the NFC. And I know the 40. Niners air They scored Damn near 30 a game last year, but this year they were down in the low twenties. They've got to improve the offense. Obviously the quarterback play the old lines gotta block better in the run game and pass protection. We'll figure it out. But what if I'm Kyle Shanahan? And I'm watching this weekend? I'm thinking, Wow. Every team is playing in the playoffs and the NSC and FC has it above average to a times a dominant defense. No doubt we'll get more into the NFL playoffs a ton, The Warriors weekend as we said National championship game. Mike Pereira joins it about 10 55. And I know that Bill's Colts fumble It was not called a fumble. We'll get into that. You mentioned the Dante Plus Carnal. The journal's gonna join us at 11 30, the Warriors through 10 games. We shall discuss that section 42 NBA games just got banged today has pelicans. And now Celtics bulls have been postponed or canceled. Wow. So here we go. All right. We'll get into all those things. Thanks for joining us on a Monday. We'll do it on next. Only here on the sport, sweetie, you're listening to Papa in Lund on both sides of the dialogue. KNBR, 1045 FM.