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16:30 min | Last month

Bonus Mic-Check Soltribe

"He. You'll be gay. We have a great bucket showing we hell year we're talking about podcasts and partner, and you know what? Before today? That's crazy ass mother fucking gigs and I got paid for him but that was shit. What about you? Big Job before many of. Man. I'm talking about podcasting I've been talking this day mother bugging Uno where Y'all been partners big a tunnel what they don't already know you already haven't heard about anchor is to easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free those creation tools that allow you to record, and Eddie, your podcasts from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many mother fucking. Mo-. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. She didn't think about all the jobs that have before docs out of the car washes recycling. 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Documentary no new material that's coming out your come. She's definitely WanNa bring that up to there'd be no other platforms working on this. Hopefully, just have a good time and enjoy the show with us. You appreciate you know. Liking her show and. Mike My Jack. royds it's super appreciated. Huge. It's a been a lot of good experiences meeting new. People and It's having to conversations all. There it is. Oh. Shit. It's getting better. It's getting better. But we can't hear him through the headphones. Yeah. I I wonder though if it's still if it's if the audio is going in to the wave to the rookie modise originally, maybe you've got the move, put it back and to see. Greedy him now it's not let's try again that see it's one of these fuckers. Try. You. Again. What about like? You. What have we put a microphone on his audio? ooh, just I. Just WanNa fuck of the press it up. We're GONNA. Replace I'm GonNA replace his audio. Plays with his way file anyways. Are you recording? Stereo or. Mono. We usually do stereo. Yeah because we're, afraid, of getting Mono Again That way yes. So when we seek up. Like to pan out our voices so sounds like roll over the room shit. All right. Let's go. Mike check with slender man. Lead Man here coming in high tells everybody out there tonight. I'll ride. Yeah Man is ready tonight now ready ready to do this. Let's see here or you know what's most focused muted what it is. something. Every time. I. Go. Ahead. I. Think he's coming into Knicks Mike. Return. Yeah I? Think he's coming into new. We'll just put a microphone on the Michael. Be Perfect Yeah. Let me get another Mike. Put it the fucking. Computer Speaker because I don't know why he's not coming through. See. This is how we plugged it in the last time with the face times call. The. audio. Album, here here. Cable Oh. Yeah. So we we wanted to start off or each do introduction vision bought two minutes per person and then after we wanted to. Wanting to go over like some facs just about what about? Everyone trying to read my notes you're. A. fucking. Should grant. Just a bunch of fucking iheart platinum a little hearts. I. What did you write your notes on last time? He wrote his notes on the back of Napkins. It was bad at. The back of calendar it was back. From Twenty sixteen they. Get inspired you have to find whatever you have around you. You know. That's I wanted to give you adds up over going to be like bringing up, seeking, prepare of to. Add to the potluck. Drought. We're speaker Anderson. Is that Mike on. I. Don't think it has to be like right on the speaker as long as it's close by we're gonNA replace his audience. So, we can hear them better. Here. Yeah but Mike. Okay. Here's something now. I think he's in the back of love and we're. Just put it on the bottom. Is there. You can see us fix zoom view on you gotTA. Bang. Leads, the. Fighter. Oh Shit. Alright. Alright what's up phineas? Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. All right. Good. Very good. Let's go around and do a Mike check or do it and then we'll. We'll make sure that we sound sexy. started. To show. I go. I. What up to my partners out there this is your partner on the podcasts coming in like Mike check tonight we got the partners in the building. Mike Mike check my check what partners. On the podcast what a? sled man here. Hey what is lead man here comedian hat's what partners getting ready to do it right tonight grab your drinks grabbed smokes and ready and sit back and relax and do rat deny what would partner one two, three who What a Nick Lok Compete for the DOJ? Oh, say was set We have a good show for you tonight I gotta so tries all the way from Texas heard a bunch of your heard a couple of your songs a bunch of times yesterday what a punch boy gay in full effect you'll silky silky is got a special. So tonight, tight lineup. Anthony's put on a show he part of the POD A nation and we're GonNa talk about some of the topics avid time might take my check back to you. What? Ellie sled man. Let's get some beers going. Anthony going to give us a Mike check. Partner. Texas here, check once you. A. Lake Nicole just came back from school. He bought some drinks again this is. From TJ TJ. Thank you believe that these the twelve pack of these fucking beers constitute dollars versus. Six, pack still. Two fifty. Three percent alcohol to three percent. Really. That's it. Yeah. They're really light forgot about that. You know what I'm to Chug on. Doug with. All right let's Chug one. Chug one. In a way not in honor of soul try. To. That song is been my kids. Dude Yeah how Dr. It makes me WANNA call my doctor but then I don't want to because they're going to find it. I know you're gonNA find. A. Conspiracy big. Ship the. America's health plan is shit man you gotta go to Canada Man. Off. Shit Hooking Roseanne again I'm tired of your Roseanne Ringtone Nick. flack on me. All right a muted Oh. My. God, all the women they can't hit me up. Mom Sister. Man All right. So I mean, can we hear him locate? Near Garum or right cool working on the timing of the. We're going to try for purposes of editing our very best not to talk over each other because we always wanna like we all want to stage simultaneously we're all greedy with a podcast hours. So we'll try very careful not to talk over each other as we normally do, which is why we've outlined a great show today to start we're going to have or d'oeuvres 's followed. By the the appetizers and then we're GONNA have the main dish and then right before the main dish is a new thing I'm trying to create like after dinner but not desert. What should we call that? Then that's we're gonNA work with me to the show, and then after that, we're going to have a great flick Andy rather than that. That's that's GonNa be the show. Have Time. I think the The can get them here near clear yet I will make sure you're close to the mic there. Big Aging. Yeah. See Anthony's appro he he's always Mike just got to remind big a you know he's he's he's always like he's like he's like one of those like hot chicks at club just back and forth. Yeah that's big. So I think we're good now any questions for Anthony guys before we start, do you go by Anthony or Tony years or so cool as Rastafari name or some shit? Anthony. We need here you like in between there. Fuck we got buffering. So sled man on my left sled man's say hi. You. Know he can't. Colorful motherfucker right there on scown cameras. Nice. I wish we had a better view of everybody does Zoom Angle is is pretty tight. To put the laptop on the other side of again hostage. Over. That might work. Like the you have to put something behind the laptop so that it can angle down. Yeah I got my structural engineer composing a some kind of Jenga tower here. It's going to be like the cartoons you know or what was it home alone where he built that he built that fucking. Seeing out of all the different furniture. Remember that was home alone. Did you WanNa hear the audio. Yeah, we'll just play it real quick to make sure that sounds good. Make sure we're all good on our end, but I think we're fine because of the Beer. Jerry's brochures what. Good I'm ready I'm. Up. I would seek as missionary this morning. Made it here now for word of said shirt. Thank you. Thanks to you partner. That day really do show. Did A YEAR GORE For Syria. Situated with the audiologist and your face. Oh. Let's. PUSH PLAY ON A. Record. One Hundred Fifteen. Let's listen to the audio. Make sure sounds good and they were good. All right, we're GONNA we're. GonNa play the MIC check real quick. Just make sure everybody's audios are good from the looks of the way. Hey. Have you ever gone before what known number been voted before pilot Oh man here here take a book Bro. Voting isn't just going to the polls and Alexis. Anymore I don't vote Homie I don't fucking look at the path. The of it says here, options like early voting mail in voting and Bella boxes are available to more voters and are growing in popularity. Oh that's feed dog. But how votes a tool created by democracy works breaks down the option your state offers for casting a ballot, empowering you to decide when and where to vote Patna calling up on us get out there and vote. So decide when and where you'll vote this year and how to dot vote Patna. Let's get back to the motherfucker show you butter. Off. All that stuff it's fine and Dandy but are they cooler ways to vote big? Are you registered to vote Hell Yeah partner? 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97: Americas most-experienced GP racer Eddie Cheever on living his F1 dream after walking away from Ferrari

F1: Beyond The Grid

1:19:23 hr | 4 months ago

97: Americas most-experienced GP racer Eddie Cheever on living his F1 dream after walking away from Ferrari

"Hello I'm Eddie cheever and you're listening to beyond the grid. Hi everyone and welcome once again to be only agreed with me Tom, Clark's now if I were to ask you to name the American racing driver with the most f one stars, who would you say Barry Andretti perhaps Dan Gurney. Ashley. It's neither of them that accolade goes to Eddie cheever who is my guest this week between one thousand nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, thousand, nine Eddie. Race in one hundred thirty, two Grand Prix for the likes of Ligi terrel Reynaud Alfa Romeo pass not. That one and heroes biking nine podiums along the way and he came oh so close to winning a few races as well. But before we get into what is a fascinating conversation with the man himself here's a bit of background. The will help you to appreciate Eddie's journey. Yes. He's American born in Phoenix the former home of the US Grand Prix. But he grew up and went to school in Rome his parents weren't races but he had Italian mates and through them developed a love. Yes you guessed it. Ferrari and Ferrari quickly fell in love with Eddie after dominated the European karting scene and had a hugely successful career in the junior formulas of single seater racing. He signed Ferrari Formula One testing contract at the age of just nineteen a dream ticket. You might think except that's not exactly how things panned out. I'm going to let Eddie grab. The might now to tell his own story and what you're about to hear will tweet every emotion you have. You'll experience undiluted join lots of frustration and the desperate sadness that follows the death of someone. You know there are stories on Enzo Ferrari legendary, McLaren boss, Ron Dennis. Ross and more at ease a racer throw in through an passionate one at that. He's also a really engaging and thoughtful storyteller I. Hope you enjoy our conversation. Eddie how lovely to have you on the show I'm chatting to you from the British grown pre and event. You know very well, your home in Indiana and one of the things I said to the guys at the top of the show was that no American. Driver has started more Grand Prix than yourself and total of hundred and thirty two racist. Just how proud of you? If that fact I think the more you remove yourself from what you did when you were younger the more introspective you are I had a wonderful career from one I as a child I never even remotely imagine that I would get even stanton close from the one car. And everything in my life happens. So quickly in the beginning that it was over before I even knew it was over those ten years were wonderful lots of high spots, those spots, but it was it is and remains the top of the racing world. Formula One is just so unique. It's very hard to explain to somebody. All the different sensations in moments that you have like the first time you sit on the grid and Monaco, it's it is so hard to focus on that first corner because I spent the whole time looking around the grid is I had read all these stories when I was younger about Moss and Stuart Inhale and and. It's just difficult to explain. So Am I. Guess. The life means nothing but I proud of the fact that I got to race. Such a great level embracing in an formula one for such a long time. Did you always identify as an American driver because yes, you were born in Phoenix but you grew up in Rome and so as a young up and coming racing driver dominating carting f three F two, were you Italian or were you American in your mind I moved to Italy when I was a child when I was five, I have a memory. Of Not being able to speak Italian and then my next memory is speaking Italian. So it was an evolution where I went from being an American child to Italian kid but my my parents both of them even after having spent twenty years in Italy could not speak one word of Italian. So our home was very much in American home in my friends were very much a time. When I started racing in go karts there came a point where they were going to pick the Italian team. And it was amazing. How quickly I became Italian I mean it was something that I really wanted to in I was adopted by the Italian Racing Federation and throughout my career. I was both really I mean I in America I have to Italian children I don't really feel that there is a need to be one or the other I was lucky to be able to boss. Tell us where the racing bug came from. Was it something your father introduced you to was it because you're in Italy and it was the whole Ferrari thing I think it was something i. think racing was something. My father would have liked to have done when he was younger but didn't have the opportunity to do that and when. I was twelve for Christmas. My mother gave myself and my father to go carts and I had no idea with Golkar, wasn't we were leaving for a ski trip into Value Dana from Rome. which is like ten hour drive and we stopped by this contract and he showed me the go kart and I really had very little interest in it. They they put me in it I still didn't really have very much interested in it. We came back from skiing two weeks later and there was a night race I remember just all this confusion. and. I got into go kart racing people were bumping at me and waving their hands. It must have been in their way and I got out until my dad that's enough of that and he probably put me back on and I guess I enjoyed it more and more, but it was something that my father wanted me to do and my mother wanted me to. Spend time with my dad so she thought he would enjoy that and we had a grand time. The next five years I've spent almost every day with my father go kart. Track and happy memories. I get phenomenon at the same track where I was racing Elio Angeles started race Goku at the same time. This is the hundred percent truth he used to practice. Signing his name and we were thirteen as a lotus driver. He would say it is very talented. He could drive the would you draw the car even draw the car and a piece of paper he was signed. Danjus underneath it and I lived in a Mike you've lost your mind. and Lo and behold a few years. Later he was racing in Formula One portrays it was racing in Formula One Eddie that seems to be so many parallels between you and you mentioned portrays because he was a very good skier as well. I'm assuming you're a good skier and you'll came up together. Yes we did there was a whole generation. I said the changer was the environment yes, we all did. We all started racing go karts or was very competitive. There were two engine manufacturers. So you're always getting you're getting to test new things and do chassis and everything and one. Portrays you and I were teammates at. At Yaman which had a Parrella engine and a common interest, and then year I won the European Championship. And he won the world championship I finished second. So we were always even at that age there was a lot of competition but he but Cardoza Great. Awesome. He was really good sphere as was. He was another one that was a great skier I think fob actually racing Olympics for Brazil or something. I love it. That's quite tenuous. Eddie, what about you though and the cart at what point did it become an obsession for you and a realization that you could do this for profession for career I loved to tell you that I had an epiphany after some race but I did you might my father supported my father drove me all the races. He had a portion at that time. So we would have this goal car in the top of the car with a mechanic and I'd be in the back row because I was so small and I remember racing and winning and winning more and more races, and then we became an official driver for Yamaha. When I went to the world championships elastic that I competed. My father started talking about racing car and. I went to some racing school in Italy called Henry Moro. I don't he might still be alive was an Irishman and I did a week in that and then and then just things started going quickly and I ended up in England. So it was like it was a gradual progression. It wasn't a bolt of lightning just made sense I hated going to school and I loved being a gold card and I remember doing really badly one race in the wet and it must've embarrassed my father and he came in, got me at school in the middle of a storm in Rome and put me in a go kart and I done three or four tanks going around and around. And to this day I will tell you the line learn things and those three hours I was in a go-cart on the web that I carried with me throughout my whole career. So a lot of what I did or I didn't do was thanks to my dad, I had to run two miles every night if I didn't run two miles before dinner every night I wouldn't be going to the go kart track and there was a series of physical things you want us to do. So all of these things just stacked up continuing the Italian theme just want to talk to you about. Ferrari, fast forward a little bit to nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, your Ferrari's test driver. Every Italian schoolboy's dream how did that day'll come about? Okay We were racing in Formula Two with Anna Hind Roseburg racing with Rosberg for the lead. K. K. was using all of the curves, which is something that was new to me because I'd never seen anybody do it, and then that's very dry and I'm following following him trying to get by him and I go off and I go wide on some of the pebbles they came up that he kept praying and I spun. Out of the race and I was I was second or third in the championship and so I was pretty high and I'd had a good season. One and other places and I go back home and on that Tuesday get a call that my mother says it's from. And I think it's one of my idiotic Italian friends that are making fun of me. So I don't answer and this goes on for a few times and finally go answer the phone and it was done nearly all did who was the team manager asking if I wished to come to modern to meet the commendatore? That in itself would have been the life accomplishment eighteen at the time. So finally I go when I do this and I make a trip to. Somebody picks me up at a bar that is two miles from the factory. I get another car and I go in the factory and a back door. It was all very bizarre. And I'm brought into the COMMENDATORE, Charis Office. And his desk is up high. He's like on an end up high and you you're you got to like look up. and His male secretary leaves the room is kind of dark and he scribbling something on a piece of paper and he. Doesn't even look up and he doesn't say hello and say and just says when you're driving my cars in Italian when you're driving my car, don't go on the curves. He was incredibly. Nice and I sat and talked to him for three hours about a wanted me to test cars and I was going to sign contract. In his beliefs and the driver had to fuel the race car and. Doing lots of laughs and I thought it was just a conversation as I'm leaving. I'm offered a piece of paper which was a testing contract that I didn't sign in I said that I need to have a lawyer look at it and when I come back, I signed the contract and I tested for a week. In that week when I was at for picking up in the morning, they bring me to A. I know where I would test Roy Moore was testing with Michelin. Tyres all very secretive rhythms designation tires that was testing the goodyear. It went on and on for a week and when I wasn't driving and they were repairing the car, I would go to the factory. I walk from London apartment to the other, and I learned that the only trip to not get in trouble was to pay attention to all the employees who get very animated when Ferrari would be walking through the factory. So I would just do what they did and I would spend time with their billing engines. It's been time where they were building cars mechanic was quoting who was Nikki's mechanic when he got hurt. A nerve. Agree. So it wasn't incredible and incredibly was anything I did in Formula One racing as grand as it was even winning they're gonNA push five hundred paled compared to the excitement and the meaning of an Italian kid being in Ferrari of that age getting to drive loudest car just hanging out in the factory Eddie, it's a fantastic story and you say that you were a bit surprised by the phone call I mean you've been very successful in the junior formulas. But what one thing Pique their interest you think in you given that you're only eighteen. I was young. I was fast I. I was convinced that age that I was bulletproof. I mean I went through a lot of Ron Dennis's formula two cars and stupid things. I remember him telling me of poll I'm starring Po. I'm like three rolls back and there's a big hole between the car in front of me and the guardrail, and he says don't go down the inside because you can do on this end immediately. The first thing I? Did I went down the right inside took the whole left on corner of and to this day I don't know why I did it but to the point I, don't I don't. I wasn't about to ask for a why am I there? I was just listening what he was telling me. Their plan was for me. To, test and test and test some more and more, and they were going to have a race in email and non championship racing emailer and I was meant to be the foreign driver and in my contract it was a long contract anyways. But that story does not have a good ending, but we'll move on to something else. But I don't want Labor the point, but it's such a significant moment in your career and I've I've actually read that you've described what happened next as the stupidest thing you did in your career i. just have you spent time pondering what might have happened if you hadn't kicked them into touch I mean can you just I know you've told it before but can you just tell us the story I don't have that gene in my body where I sit back and say I wish I had this I had done that but I So I I, leave their after the test. and. I had a contract with BMW. There was a sports car race volume, which was where a girl I was dating lived where I lived. And I thought, this would be pretty cool. She's there Sydney. Drive. A car. I was very full of myself. They were going to pay me five hundred dollars, five hundred dollars to drive this sports car. So leave the pits one that I do too. There's this I think the recalled Thomas. There's very fast right hander an as I turn it in full gear facet will go the left hand tire collapses. and. The car goes under the guardrail. And just flips and my arm gets caught either as the doors breaking or against the door and I break my left hand. Badly and it's just an everything just dangling there. One of the drivers stopped the help looked at my hand in this dummy fainted. So instead of helping me, he fainted and when they came, they picked up him I and I'm sitting here in my hand back in a minute way back A. So, long story short. They have to operate on my hand and I go go through all of this second championship. I raised it s to real I have this contract with Roy I can't believe this is happening to me. and. I get this. Lovely. Telegram that those days were telegraphed. Ferrari saying something to the effect of getting better you'll be testing soon. And three or four days later I read about. Signing a contract with Ferrari and I I immediately saw there's no way I'm GonNa get in former one. How so I have to go to Ferrari then I have to get out of my contract and I made four trips. I drove from Rome modern no appointment Rhonda back to roll and I did this back and forth with a my hand in a cast. And finally he sees me and he says, he says, are you sure you want out of this contract? An I stuttered I don't even know what I said, but I'm sure I stuttered something. And by the way I'm standing and he sitting behind his desk. And I said, yes, and he said okay. Put his head down. Just. Like let them. Writing stuff on up. Why we use oh, sure that you wanted to end the contract I wanted to drive a Formula One car I was on this I was on this rock ed or I went from being a formula two driver to all of a sudden. I had tested a weakened Ferrari. My Times were very close to Roy Months I did everything they had asked me and I desperately there was nothing in the world I wanted more than to drive for Ferrari. That year offer get louder was having problems with his health because he had had that accident. But in those days, you did not have eight managers and four lawyers. Three physical consultant didn't exist it was me. And you had no confidence that they were going to give you a racy is that's the fundamentals of it. I had confidence that I was going into given opportunities to test. Into one and I knew I was going to get better and better and I was in a great position and. It was an immediate decision that I thought out at all. There were no such thing as test programs that you didn't do that. There was no such thing as an ATM year old driving. A Formula One car it just didn't exist. It was all new. So I stopped I'm out of that contract and all of a sudden I'm asked to drive the Rault Teddy Yip's car which was. It was a whole different world come how After you'd kick for Orient Touch can we call it a knee jerk reaction or is that unfair? Stupid I don't think any part of my body was involved in the reaction boy it was in. Did that ostracize you from Ferrari forever wherever any possibilities with them ever again? No. I to this day I. do a lot of work in consulting for INSA at Ferrari and I always feel like I'm going home to France. I was in communication with him off. I bought cars from. It was a very good with I had an excellent relationship with Ferrari and I'm very lucky to say that it was just it was. It was an error that I it was very, very, very hard to recover from I. Mean My career is over can we just fast forward to twenty twelve when your son tested at valley longer for Ferrari that must have been? Well. What was it was? It must have been a very emotional moment for you. I guess. Yes. Yes. It was the circumstances were different. There's everything I did a Ferrari. I did in private at modern. No I'm there were like three people that if I was using too much the mechanic would say commendatore I said don't use your throttle so much. If I'm hot and I wanted to get out of the car, they put their hand on my helmet and said, nicky never gets out of the car but Mike my son at to do this with public and there were other together drivers because he had a former three season. There was a lot of there's a lot of emotion, but it was not aimed towards Ferrari was aimed towards my son being able to drive far from one at the circumstances in his route is different his route as one sports cars. I thought it was very cool. We'll be delving further into the racing life of Eddie cheever after this short message. Now, I don't know about you but lately, I've found that keeping a close eye on health fitness and energy levels feels more important than ever and as much help as I can get with that side of things the better because I may be able to draw up facts and stats on Formula One drivers at the drop of a hat. But when it comes to my own vital statistics, I'm clueless, which is why I'm glad. I've discovered whoop whoop is the twenty, four, seven health and fitness tracker that helps you monitor critical daily metrics like sleep, recovery and strain. You'd a slipped band on your wrist connected with an APP on your phone and let it do the hard work while you go about your daily work and exercise routines sound simple. It automatically measures your heart rate calories and activity levels throughout the day and come nighttime. The built in sleep coach tracks your sleep cycle. So you can enjoy all getting optimum rest fear exertion levels. The team of being kind enough to send me a band to try out and I can't wait to see what data at Bulls in although I have a sneaky suspicion that I might not be getting the best rest that I could during these Formula One triple headers. But let's see what happens. You don't need to be an athlete to use a tool like this I'm proof of that but understanding your body and how important rest and recovery is to your health is important for all of us. No matter what our fitness levels and so if you're interested in finding out more is offering fifteen percent off right now with the code grid at checkout. So go to whoop. That's whoop W. H.. He Dot Com and enter great at checkout to save fifteen percent sleep better recover faster and train smarter optimize your performance with whoop today. Right let's get back to our chat with. You mention the Theodore the opportunity with Teddy. How how did that come about in seventy eight? I don't remember I'm sure it was Paul from somebody. And you and you would listen just wanted I wanted to be Argentina, I, I, wanted to be at that I. Would have taken any any often. So this is a brand new car brand new. Car A teenager grinding and I had experience is a really cool star is a race car driver will understand regardless of where he is in his career in wetter era he's racing. So I had raised BMW with the junior team and hunch took and Ronnie Penn. Peterson. In Hobbs where the senior team and I was part of the junior team. And we were very rambunctious. So I raced against Ronnie and stook many times at the nurburgring and I got Ronnie's face a few times and he was angry the team was angry but it always worked out. I had this. To me, there was a racing garden, his name was running. So I'm in Argentina and I'm doing the first laps and they have at the past history. There's as long straightaway along right-hander in another stray in the right back. And I finally managed to take this corner flat without taking my foot off. And on my left hand side comes Ronnie who lifts his hand in the middle of the corridor goes like this. And disappears. I don't ever remember being as disheartened in my whole life. I've felt like parking it catching a flight home and say what have you done and I didn't qualify for that I didn't qualify didn't even come close for qualifying. So you do too difficult races so didn't qualify in the then you get the opportunity with Hesketh. Yes the same thing I mean well. In a British accent, they told me that they would pay for my hotel and my airplane ticket and you have thirty seconds to decide yes or no. So I said. Turned up there that was a much easier to drive the setup was better. I felt more comfortable. But they were a team that were. Trying to find a place to crash. And crashing away that nobody got her because their heyday had gone they were just trying to revive something and I think I broke engine after an engine broke out to two or three laps. So I. Think we can say it was a difficult start in Formula One. You then have to go back to formula two, and in hindsight was that actually quite a healthy thing for you to sort of go back and get your head together and sort of relaunch your career. Really. Whatever Eagle had developed to that point. I just totally walk away from that and say, if you want eraser going to have to start at the bottom again and build it piece by piece. So I I did a year with Ron which was not a good year because I think. The whole Ferrari thing had been irritating for him because he was the one that his guidance to that point. Member racing project for. And Win, the Ferrari, offer came I. GotTa go do this. and. I don't think you re life that very much. So I had to go back and drive for him. To. Get a horrible year. So even worse. Seventy eight, and then also Zella turned up and I really had nothing going. This is a guy out of Turin who would did his engine cars in this crazy idea that he wanted to bring parolee into formula two. and. We did a lot of testing and by the time the first race came we were pretty strong. We were pretty strong. We had a great season. We want a lot of races I think I finished fourth in the championship could have won the last one. Had IT rained anthrax But it was a it was a really I. Really had to relearn what it took to just totally be involved with the team was doing instead of just turning up like Superman, whether any discussions with Ron in seventy eight about you know project for taking over McLaren, were you aware of any of that at that point? I met Ron after I won my second forward three races silverstone. I can still remember he i. think he must've had plaid pants on and. Checkered shirt or something because he he stood out and he it was just very brash and he said, do you want to test my former car shirt? And I had an incredible everything I. looked at that point and racing I learned from wrong because we went he then started running the former three-car that we had. Then we'd he picks some races in Germany, which we won an distorted building, all these pieces that gave his former two team BMW. Works engines. Drive, for the junior team, but we got three works. And then from that, he built What became one of the Best Formula One teams. Multi. How would you describe your personal relationship with him? I was with. All the time there was always something to be learned. He didn't have that much but what he had was shining in pristine. Perfectly in order and And very demanding but. He was really good at preparing. He's on the told me to prepare for a race in what to do, and that was a period where he was trying for ever try to raise money. Ron will go down in my memory as a single person that knew more elements of what it takes to be successful in or just look at what he did retire. Unbelievable. In the run that McLaren had with Honda and he just he was just so good at putting all these pieces in this. Together when you run your own team in Indycar did you find somewhere in the back of your mind you were trying to recreate what you'd learn from Rhone? Absolutely really many times in my life I've tried to recreate. Things. By having watched him I, mean, he really had a difficult time with they. They confiscated our truck a nurburgring. That's. I. Can only imagine road in that situation exploding Oh, he's pretty cholewa they came there was something that happened two years before they came cult locked up the truck and confiscated, and he went away to solve the problem. We there were always you know it was hard to get from race to race sometimes because there wasn't enough. Enough funding or there wasn't enough pieces and he was always doing deals another dear left another deal on top of another deal for people who only ever knew Ronin Formula One stories like this are. Unlikely, really, we've only ever known the Pristine motorhome and. He was the first guy that put tiles on the floor of all the pit garages that he came to around the world, and he just sort of raised the bar in every every area. Really it's hard to think of him struggling imagine what it was like when he was struggling. He was a gopher at some point in a racing team became the chief McCain who then started project one. Name every year because he to change name because project one had an issue then project. And Tell, he finally worked out all of this. He said his sites on mcclair and that. From a business perspective what he did a declare was masterful maybe not the most elegant of things but. Was masterful and he delivered with Barn and the driver's I mean it was phenomenon everybody played catch up with Ron Dennis for many years I come on eighty. How often were you on the phone to him when you were in Formula One St. Come on Ron Please let me draw for you I want that McLaren Tag I want that McLaren Honda only twice we had two long talks and they got stuck money which is can you can you reveal I? Think it was the year after the chasers was there I don't recall I, but I do recall the telephone calls they were. I probably number four on all of his calls that he's doing trying to figure out which piece would fit. To this day I have the highest respect for one knicks definitely. An enormous amount of respect for things that he's managed to achieve from. I. Don't recognize mcclair. Now I look mcclair. Okay, they say it's Clare. Looks like a mcclair but something's missing. Now, what about your career I want to talk to you about your first full season now it's nine, nine, hundred, eighty or seller who you've been doing formula to with the previous year they've decided to graduate. Purpose I think was the car two, hundred pounds overweight or something is that right? It was insanely heavy. Had to take a step back we had found. Through some friends of the family in Rome. A road to getting the state monopoly cigarettes monompoly of the though Ms to sponsor a little bit the former to team which they did and I paid I mentioned reveals with that. And then we just cheeky enough to go and parliament and try to convince them to sponsor Ozawa's former team. They said yes. So it was a miracle that we got to the point that we had enough money to even to build a car that it was very heavy. I remember going to Interlagos was the early version of Lagos's like big old incredibly fast, and this thing was a bear to drive. It was a we we had ground effects were skirts then and skirts the very bad habit of working for three or four laps and then getting knocked up. And you losing part of your downpours you're always terrorized that you would you go into a corner Flat v There's no way in stick because. Of Ghana but that was a handful we didn't. We did not qualify for many races, but in the end we did. It got better and better I remember running third in. In Huron Thirty Rob I forget who I was behind and it was a non championship race book that it started again, it turned around. Me At more and more downforce as we started understand the car it's interesting because the Formula One paddock than sort of re woke up to Eddie, cheever and Uncle Ken can tell so the talent and you went there for eighty-one. Now that was serously cool because I was already I had gone through all this I understood the importance of being there and talking to Kim came invited me to dinner i. think it was an email. And he talked for like forty minutes and I could have no, I thought it was just buying dinner. The maybe feels far sorry for dying buying me dinner. And we talked to Dr. he kept asking me all these questions and he said I would like to I'd like to sign you to an option. Is Okay and I didn't want Zella to know this was all that was the first secretive thing I had to do so i. I signed the option and it was late it was like. A November date at the end of November something an hour before the auction expired can call me one hour before it was. They know and I was ready to go race again for Zilla, which I wasn't looking forward to why did he leave it? So late I don't know I never asked that question I was just happy I was just happy. So the I I signed the contract was already inside of the auction. So once you once that started the contractor. So I get on a plane to go to England and drive to the factory I sit down with him in immediately go to this barn where it was a bar was nice inside but it was a barn in the race car is sitting here and the Had A of clay. Inside of the chassis because we were going to do my seat I never done this seat in claim for and they they said this is like every fourth word was Jackie Stewart this is Jackie Stewart. This is the penalty. This is. So Great. I. Thought that was wonderful. I. I. was I, was enthralled by but then that was the start of a really A deep learning curve, really intense regimented learning her. Again Ken was looking for money all your lawmakers, we struggle the whole time for finding funding find. Funny. So I have been tormented that point in my career always by having by these struggle for financing maybe happens to everybody except for the first two or three teams. So that started to weigh on me the towards the end of the year you say you learned to look was one of the things disciplined. Do you feel you became a better driver in eighty one? No comparison you were not allowed to be disciplined. And you're called on it immediately. Immediately. When you say Uncle Ken, a lot of people might say the out of kindness uncle Ken that was ankle Kennedy was GonNa put his thumb on you. If you do it this way do remember when all of those we had that drivers strike or something in zolder all drivers wanted to get out. Well, I'm a foam driver now. So I'm going to get I'm just like everybody else he did say one word we. Stop at the grid I, Undo my belt buckle and I go to get out and he has the full weight of his hand on my helmet and the more I push to get up the more he pushes the keep me down. So I just buckled up my belts and that was that he never said one word afterwards never addressed it. I never addressed it. We never talked about what a wonderful insight into Ken. Wow. Now there's one thing you go from there and it it seems to me that you gravitated towards continental based teams. You had most of your success with Legia in Reynaud or was it just a needs? must it wasn't like you were seeking to go to those teams it was just you didn't feel more comfortable in those environments given the Italian and no. You're very kind and you're giving me a lot more credit for having thought through things I actually did. Know these Jay was a well-financed team was very hard for me to tell. You that? He often very generous second year extension contract and was very hard for me to tell him that I needed to go someplace. And I, it was very hard to say I was very opera. I'm sure I did a very poor job of it. I coulda done such a bad job because he invited me to the Christmas party maybe dress up as Father Christmas wish I. I. Still Remember This Day. But yes, I then went to lee-jay Kaz Lafitte had been winning races lesion was a fast car. It were French I didn't really speak enough French but I I could understand. And I thought I can measure myself up a driver that's almost won the championship and there's winning races. So I was. I. Saw it as an upward step on the ladder. A great time like leisure. It was exactly the opposite Kim. There was no discipline at all. How good was the Com-? We had this new design, the show buoy. Avoid was charged with cars at that point with his own technical stuff. This new car, the very long wheelbase had skirts that went all the way around the back and it was a really big long tells me can never get it to work properly. So we thought we thought it was going to be a good car and we started this season with the car. They had the year before with mantra engine. And finished second I finished third Zoeller and then second in Detroit, with the old car I thought this is going to be unbelievable we're going to get this new car and it's going the we're going to go Into the future and I'm out running Lafitte all this is happening. But. The cars good. It was a good balance. Very it was easy to drive the engine. made a lot of noise that didn't really go anywhere didn't have very much tour, but it was very good at tight circus like Detroit because you get on the throttle. Through hugged, the car was we went to Monte Carlo with new car was hideous. Terror so they parked that even back to the old car and the rest of the season we had we had the old car. What was wrong with the new on we just couldn't get a balanced we couldn't get the. Couldn't get it to be consistent incredible amount of understeer and we're in the middle of the season. Now, it had a lot of honor students wouldn't turn you mentioned that first podium that P. three at zolder in eighty two was a difficult. We can fool the sport. The. Greatest unhappiness imaginable occurred before race. In the closing stages of the last practice session as Belgian drove. Motor racing and the world lost a much loved and truly courageous spoke. Jill Veal Nov fighting to improve his starting grid position hit the March car of your boss in a one hundred and fifty miles an accident which must intensify the need to reduce cornering speeds and improve on free safety. Feel knows Ferrari was completely shattered on the driver held against the catch fencing tragically. Version specialist treatment in Louvain fail to save his life. Practice going down the back straight mass in building over ahead of me and a commodity came. And I could tell there had been an accident I'm talking maybe a second two seconds after have had his accent. There was like there was a rag doll. In the catch fence. It was it was one of the most shocking things I have ever seen. Now, happens to us so quickly. And you have a really hard time to under understand what just happened but it was. Terrible. That was A. Film number to pass mass. Times. Nothing would happen ninety nine times versus just being in the wrong place for him at one place. Long Time. Bill was different than any other race car driver I have ever met. With him and formula to pose wrong that was my first experience with him. Then maybe seventy seven in Moss for a race the BMW we both managed to destroy the carpet. He was just totally different than any other person I've ever met the drove away spring. was just fearless with the way flew his helicopter. He drove his race where he lived his life. The Guy was just just always consistently on the. How did that image of seeing Michelle in the catch fencing a fat you as a racing driver and as a man did you ever consider giving up? Did it reduce your commitment your love of the? Sport. I. I don't think I would be one of the few RACECAR bags at era to say I did not expect. To live through it all but I wanted to do it. So badly, there was nothing else in my life that had an equal importance to that. Why did you do it? So badly, what was it about driving race cars? That was the top was far there was nothing farther than formula. One. That was that was mount. Everest. That was the most difficult malls complicated form of motor. Sports. In the globe and there was nothing compared to theirs since as a child, that's what I wanted to do define myself in that position and he was it the thrill of driving that you loved the thrill of competition absolutely A. Petition and the driving cars. But after you've done after you've done the first day and a half winter testing, you know what you have. This is the car you have. You got to make the most of it, which towards the end of my career was very depressing because there'd be cars that have one hundred horsepower Moore's nothing you can do about. This is what you got. You say show was fearless. Did you respect him as a racing driver them or? What I thought. He I thought he was also. A few cents short of dollars sometimes but but but but in the talent, the things he would do the risk of there's pictures of him completely. Crossed up all four tires smoking what a freakish accident, what a crate to clint the back of somebody's car. Just, it was just very sad i Italy I've never seen Italy more as much for the death of an athlete as I did in Vilna. Eddie let's look eighty-three. Now you move from Ligi to Reynaud to be alarmed prostate teammate. Going into that season, it looked on paper that this was the moment is that how you felt when you signed for them I had watched the battles year between our new and prostes with great interest. As everybody thought it was going to win the championship. And it was our new process I thought and I raised the forget I raced against on formula to our new and Tambi only. We all race together and former to so many lives with them come monster. Reynaud makes me a great offer. Other I had other offers some other teams, but they didn't have a turbo engine. So I thought just the fact of having attorney was the beginning of the turbo era era and in that year they had skirts on the car. So they had a lot of babble magical things. Unlimited horsepower and a lot of downfalls. What's wrong with that? I mean there's nothing wrong with that. How can that be wrong? Yes. Frost is phenomenal I. Don't speak French I will be a number two driver us all be the did you sign as a number two? Yes. Did that great? Did you think twice about that? I thought it was an logical I. It was one of the faster cars. So I I signed and all of a sudden they changed the rule and they change the configuration of the cars in that big advantage is gone. The first call I tested the ground affects it was it was incredible again so much. and. So much power I couldn't all you have to do is turn this lever and you had more power was phenomenal. Changed the way the car setup to fit the regulations we go to Brazil is pretty tough weekend. We, go to Long Beach car running with the gearbox brakes, and we just settled in settled in it and. It was going well, I enjoy enjoy the season. Then, I started having a series of mechanical films in civil stellar was really quick and the car was really good. And I think I had electrical connection go wrong. I my daughter added daughter that was born my daughter and she died. A month after silverstone that kind of. That was really hard because my then wife almost died also it was a difficult time right in the middle of this season. and. There were some great races there was some racist. Being behind trust in Germany and the throttle cable broke a member of being really good at Monaco on the alternative broken. I kept having all these mechanical issues it. Kind of took the lead out of my pencil. At the end, it was becoming difficult but I I never had any problems with process I. I thought process. With. The team had some internal issues was a very political. Yes, it was. But then again I say was political but I speak enough French to tell a young lady in Paris that she's beautiful and that's about it. So was it actually an advantage not speaking French sort of washed over you a bit some of the politics did until we started talking about what to do the car because everything would have to I get what I needed in bits, bits and drabs but. Nobody. Was a heavy environment. It was a heavy environment. Prostate. That was the first time I met a driver I. Is as a teammate I always thought you'd number one job is to beat your teammate. And you're not going to be processed as number two driver. There's no. You could do it every now and again I do well on well. Detroit and. Hash. There were certain places that I feel more comfortable than others, but frost is. As Italians, say another level, where was he particularly good I always lost the back end of the car early on in Iran and I had a hard time getting them to make changes so that I could lean more on the back of the car was just amazed at how fast you can go without using equipment. And that's a town that is. As a talent when you look at Seneca, you will hear this be beat up. The trouble is always always playing with throttle prosperous diametrically opposite it almost when you heard it almost sounded boring was just very, very tiny, very, very careful not to use the tires too much or the brakes too much or anything and were you surprised that it'll came to an end for you but it came to an end for him as well. At the end of that season did that surprise you I'm not I'm not going to get into those doting those details because it was kind of private all that happened but no, I was not surprised at all and at a certain point he was leading. An I actually had a after my then wife had been ill she came to Germany the German Grand Prix and I had a meeting with a With a manager that, I didn't go to to talk about that years contracting because I still thought I was going to be a number two Renault. was looking for other opportunities. So I turned that down. indirectly. Turn that down then the problems of. Happen said void. Happen afterwards by the die was already cast the diamond. Eddie if you'd had a manager I think this, this tale could have been very different. Comment I had no. I have lost so many friends in recent. than. I cannot look in the mirror and say, Oh, I was lucky I was so incredibly. I stopped counting at a certain point. I stopped counting how many people I've known are no longer here because of stupid accidents or. We're talking teammates. We've had a little chat about processed. Ricardo portray easy. You came through with him Alfa Romeo teammates what was it like being up against an Italian driver in an Italian team or takes us back where we started this conversation in Italian we both been in Williams would have been a lot of fun. Let's say we were in an ex formula three team that was trying to run the government owned Alpha Male Formula One team was a nightmare. The first race that we went to I finished fourth I thought this is great for thirds. I can. I can do this and try to make it better. I. Never I never got one more point in two years. I don't know I might not have finished ten races was the same with him. So we were fighting for scraps that were left on the table there was nothing there. I don't I think the second year we made some engine changes and were preparing. To Go to track I don't I think I-. I- detonated six engines in a row before we went to resolve is that. Was that bad? The only high point? Really I point. This is a good stories. The first year we had mechanical injection. And all of a sudden, they had this brainwave that all if we do electronic injection we are going to. Go in front of Claire So we're getting ready to go to Monica Monaco's and experts, and they get this this objection working pretty well, and it worked. It was phenomenal. I think I think I qualified four. I think. It was incredible and. Something broke again I remember what it wrote but then from that point on it was just like it was like As if they were. Dead. Nothing nothing ever changed nothing ever. So we started fighting amongst other like cats and dogs because. There was a rare chance data on the engine that engine was going to have five horsepower more amid would be all this zeiting side of the team. It was just it was terrible. It is terrible. So my only. My only pleasure was to beat. Ricardo. Was To beat me in the rest because we couldn't compete against anybody else. Just couldn't keep up with it and they they built a new car and it was. It was a horrible was well paid horrible experience. Was it almost a relief when that came to an end? Yes. I I had had enough. was enough but by then I was by by that point, I was becoming disenchanted with. What aspects of it? Nothing to blame for on. It's just that it is so technical that if you're on the wrong side of technology you can be. The competitor in new isn't getting frustrated that you're not having. It's not funny. Yeah. Yeah. Was it was it a real shot in the domes then go and have success in sports cars feel what it's like to taste the champagne again. Did you sort of fall back in love with racing again totally one hundred percent and with. Nothing gets covenant but he was not cut out to be running Formula One or Formula One teams. So then when I was invited by walking show I. Knew from when I was racing former three days of motives he was her former Atlantic drivers. I remember this mountain of. Enormous. And, he was one of the best guys average. Awful. It was just one member testing, the card Snetterton, his be powerful machine. With. So much downforce done by Tony Southgate and it had all it at all all the parts that you really enjoy I. Really liked that because Anonima Barest, admitted we had the best sports car period here it I mean it would go driving at silverstone was just it was just a wonderful experts and you're right it was very uplifting. It made a made a big really made a big difference in my outlook but I thought formula. One was done aluminium focused on supports Carson Berrigan, and I won the first race for Jaguar. In thirty years is silver son that was a big deal and They were always had a little bit better engine. It was just good fun. I was TWA a better race team than a lot of teams you race for Formula One? Absolutely. He motivated everybody in the team and it was just great. He hired Derek and we're both out of race cars. And we were still these. Had the Formula One ego you could say. And we turned up at our first race in. Monza. And We hadn't practised driver changes. I started the race we're doing really well. and. Derek was not happy with the peso's getting out of the car. So Derek, like a bulldog, he grabs me and just drags me out of the car and I'm like rolling on the floor. So I thought okay. Thank you in the fucking by yourself then. And my job was the quickest. Velzen. I was so angry, probably lost fifteen seconds a he's yelling at me yelling. Walkinshaw says nothing not in work and we I forget how the price on how the race man. But we go to the next race in we're called early in the morning and he made us practice hit stop changing seats for two hours just in in woken show day. Tom, just standing like a statue again. Again. Again again, we we learned that lesson and we. We had a great season, but we could have won them onto one time. We lost with forty five minutes ago the little screw and gearbox. But it was great to work. I really enjoy the time I spent with Tom. Yeah Big Tom. Now, Derek Warwick was your teammate for longer than anyone else that season with Jaguar, and then of course arrows, we've had him on the podcast and there's a great story. Where he says you balked him think in qualifying I think it's Monaco. Had A few choice words to describe the relationship with Derek. A. Total different outlook on life you couldn't be more different I. I always admired his tenacity could be very quick on any given day. We have great battles in Jaguar which a lot of fun we were teammates to start with that. They put us in opposite cars by did they do that? Why did they separate? You I know. Stop you scrapping. Interested is being faster than the other one. That doesn't work. Racing sports car racing you have to be altruistic I would never use the word altruistic. Will the formula wonder as did? It just doesn't work so but sports cars you have to do that you're going to get in. Pretty soon. I had a great time. I have lots of funny stories that I cannot share with Derek. But. was brutally honest never played politics. Love Good. Battle on the track I thought it was fun. Reason of all my teammates I would say he might be the one that. That I enjoy going to the racetrack more and he's that white lasted. So long maybe lasted. So long because Jackie Oliver. Kept hiring. But it was a happy team and you had some success, there was the podium in one thousand nine. I was the only one that had polio avenue podiums. If I recall correctly I, think that's still irritates. The, Mona one he was. He couldn't have been five feet behind him for lap after lap after I finished thirty finished fourth and I had a good podium in Phoenix incredibly hot race. What was it like racing at home? Actually your hometown in. Fullerton. Monster or no? No both I suppose but I was Phoenix. I was thinking specifically. Yeah. I. Was Good. It was very I went through a week before to try using and there's no way you club just. There was a lot of attrition that race spent most of the race right behind portrays. It was good I enjoyed it. It was fun. It was very hot. It was a very hard. Trust is a very hard race, very physically demanding the lap after heat after you could feel when you come into the pits, you can feel the heat going through the car. Wasn't pleasant but finishing third was a great accomplishment that was. I think frost one in second life certify recall but I enjoyed being thirty months of more than I did being third Phoenix saw Eddie. What was the best one car? You drove you meaning the most competitive or at the moment of one that I enjoyed the best. Give me both which one did you enjoy driving the most in which was the most competitive? The for that Nikki Louder had tested in one of the most exciting Formula One car. Went from a formula, two car which was. Kind of industrial compared to a Ferrari F one was at the time it had an H. box gearbox. You could almost couldn't make a mistake with the gears. The brakes were incredible fit like a custom made shoe. The engine would have my goodness. It must've two thousand reservoir than anything I had ever driven before and it was just he put a new set of tires on it was. Incredibly. So well, balanced there was a corner the back you could take almost flattened fourth, and at that age you look a corners as fast as I can take a flat or I can't take it wasn't brightness understand there's a middle ground where you can take a little bit of throttle off so I, had tried. Taking it flat I kept getting processed up. So it was the last day. And I just went through it flat and I spun and I bust of knocked through five six rows of cash fans. took. A minutes to get me out of the car and I thought that's it. I'm done. I won't be driving here. Anymore. I didn't say anything I'd say thank. You Okay and I said yes they said okay. We'll get the other car out. We'll be out of your tournaments they said okay but isn't that attitude? What ends Oh Ferrari. Loved IT Dr. Yes. But I expect more than once the Kogi would tell me stop fiddling with the truro either accelerator don't accelerate. I had that habit in go karts getting the car loose and keeping it that way. But they were very involved in what you're doing. He had to have that that opinion to have stayed as long with villain. I mean villain of had that horrible accident in Japan if you recall his first race, I mean, that was like. Oh. My goodness. What about the most competitive car than that you race the best car ever race would have been the Leisure at Detroit of it was really well balanced at the start of the race of boy decided to put a soft pair of Michelin's on the front you never did and it wouldn't like magic. Car was good. Always the Reynaud was really good in Monza I, lost second year right at the chicane before the first lesmo which was. A pain. But I would probably say the rental was the best car. Throughout the season at any specific race have to say the Leisure in Detroit I'm reminded with that one off race you did with house. In, Eighty six and I think Adrian Newey, and of course, Ross Brawn was arrows as well. Wasn't he? Both guys have gone on to have phenomenal success were you impressed by them? They're sort of early stages of their careers I was impressed by how? Organized and precise everything Ross Perot on did. He always had this going to something. Never never seem to lose his cool over anything. I I enjoyed working with Ross that race that I did for trees in Detroit was was it was just a flash panda, the COP cars exceptional. It was really good around Detroit. And I hadn't driven a car forever unbelievably quick in that car given that it was a one often you barely driven it before going into qualifying. You lined up tents on the grade and Alan Jones was five rows further back. was very disaster to be there. Be I. Understood that if I went faster drivers that were there, they might reconsider who is going to drive the race and the most important thing is I was having a great time had no responsibility none. I took my green overalls that I had from Benetton Alpha days on the plane I was taking the Benneton logos off. Can you imagine doing that now? I had to borrow a pair of shoes from some big. I. Didn't have any shoes I all my racing shoes were at. Walking. I had a helmet, use it all from put some tape on it, and I sat in the car and it felt really good. So I I was just having a good old time. was there a conversation about doing more for the team? I actually ended up I remember being in Switzerland in a business meeting where they were trying to figure out what to do WHO's there Were people that were considering to buy the team I remember. Not Sitting in the meetings but sitting close to the office for that was happening from one Formula One is like watching ducks swimming across a river. It looks very calm on the top where there's a lot of shit going on underneath now, what about you? As a driver when we're you, you'll take I think you're your peak when you're there comes a moment when you're physically as fit as you're going to be. And you're is confident is going to be, and if that happens in car that has potential to win races that brings out a little extra in you. Probably. Leisure or. I had some really good races are going at Bruno. I had a really good British grand. Prix going out of really good Monaco and I had a really good Germany. But there are mechanical issues. So I I don't know I could in an Indycar I could tell you. Because it's a lot simpler form and then you have to do one thing and one thing only at the indy five hundred that's. So I can tell you where at that point started going down the other way Formula One carts very difficult because so technically dependent I mean you take Hamilton and put it into worst car the one. He might do a little bit better doing now but he sure as hell not going to win the race whereas if you put the worst driver in Hamilton's car, it's highly probable. He'll finish in the top three. I probably will be criticized for saying that but I'm not too often might be the top five and it won't go down farther than that. So. It's wonderful to watch driver like Hamilton by now who's incredibly focused and he might end up beating Schumacher's record, and then you look at the cars he has with Mercedes his ten and everything they just keep getting better better better. So there's almost no limit to what they're capable of doing, but makes it hard to watch I find it really hard to watch a car tenuously win every every. It's not a prison. It's just an opinion. Did you find out when Schumacher was dominating? I'm a Ferrari Fan. That's a very good point. Now showing that human element in that when Ferrari was winning. Louder was winning I. Thought it was magic when Schumacher was winning I. Those very impressive. That's interesting that we're talking about shoemaker and Hamilton because I think they would both claim. That they played a big role in creating those teams that went on to dominate did you spend enough time trying to bring the best engineers to the teams that you racing with my career effectively stopped up for a left? I mean, I, be worked really hard Eros. We had the mayor turn engine which a lot of power but other people had passed. They were ahead of us in a few places we could do what was monster. well-balanced car was good in the fast corners where we didn't have. We did not have enough assets to sit down and do. When I went to Reno I was I win the factor I could shot it how much stuff there was. There was so many engines lined up in a row in so many gearboxes and so many cars and. All these people have like a beehive there're people ever and I thought, wow, I mean this we did lots lots of developing programs were done in your none of them turned out to be. There was some point where we had all these exhaust pipes, put like spaghetti tubes underneath the under under the body of the car, and that was supposed to give us the advantage to go ahead of the whole field and it didn't pan out is a really working with was on the throttle didn't work too good when I wasn't on throw I, think to do that. Yes. It takes a character like Schumacher's in Hamilton's, but it also takes having a mate what comes first the driver or the team. Did the same thing. Loud took Ferrari which was useless. I mean the reason racing sports cars could fab they're doing and he made it into the modern Ferrari and then look at Schumacher did and they keep building on the road I. Mean if you think of all the people have the year that he want Ross, Brawn, rory, Byrne, there are so many of them. Wow. That you mentioned in the couple of questions on that how come you adapted so well to oval racing because you said a little bit earlier that you had a little bit more of a self preservation gene. Than some drivers and yet oval racing strikes me as one of the most terrifying things you can. You can do I don't think I ever completely. Relaxed like somebody like Lion Dyke does. Around an oval that it, it's a fact that at any time you're doing a race above two, hundred, twenty miles an hour things can go wrong. Very quickly with no fault of your own and they can be terminal as the price of admission. The first oval ever drove on for Vanessa wasn't Phoenix I was a day a half a day and a half into mind I run and I come out of turn four and a half chef breaks in the car turns sharp left into the wall and I invite out the chunk of my tongue. And I'm thinking. I I really don't need be here. This is something I could do nothing there was nothing I could. There's nothing you can do is your these two walls that's what your limitations are and they call fence I've hit fences and walls. It's not offense as a wall. So that was my initiation to driving on an oval over time you learn to tune the car. So a telegraph would is doing better and that's the way you drive in oval you don't drive an oval. Villanova for the one car because you won't last very though but it but it is. It's an exceptional feeling. I have gone two hundred and fifty three miles an hour eddie and not lifted on any of the four cars at two hundred, twenty, four corners at two hundred, fifty strata were there are not four corners. There are two cars. One to is one corner and three and four is another. You take a deep breath going in you kind of aim where you think you should be and you hold on and if you get to go to the corner. You just try to barely move you come of a too much because you've got to turn it into the next one and is the sense of satisfaction. The say you must have a quality lap at Monaco, for example, different but physically yes. Totally different I mean when you when you do a lap an average of two hundred. Thirty say it you're moving I mean it's You're making a lot of. Decisions that you cannot change as it goes to the corner. You just what you decide going in as what's going to happen through the whole corner at Monaco. It's destined for I think off I- Monaco's almost difficult qualifications. Anywhere. With Kiro I wasn't qualified I was not qualified to last I. Think it was fifteen minutes not qualifying for tearful at Monaco is as bad as it can be I was having a problem. Only entry to the pool section. There's a curb on the left which you have to go over to get a straight run on the curb on the right on the right hand him. Hit and the car would lift up get really light and it would come down just in time to break to get around the next right. And I had avoided doing that because I thought I can't control this and I went out and did a lap and I pulled it off perfectly and I don't remember where I call some of the middle but that was one time and one time only managed to do that. And if I were to do many other time show our crashed the majority of times because you're when you land after the right on your heels. Bouncing off the bottom of the car here you have to break you have to slow down so Monaco is. Night how did winning the indy five hundred, nine, hundred, ninety, change your life the sense of satisfaction. A sense of relief or the satisfaction by father was still alive and I remember on the cool down lap fit remembering scenes of when we went to the go kart track together. Things even say. And that was be. That cooled on lap. person. was. Gratifying Because I got the call them afterwards after I won my first formula three race I went to those little red telephone things everything went with telephone booths and I've ever calling him telling him. Digest. The second goals a lot calmer. But. As an American winning in these a big deal and it's not something you have to explain to anybody. You don't have to say what Indianapolis is. Everybody knows what it was. It was it was. Gratifying exciting, it was worth the wait. Am I frustrated I did not win. Absolutely but that was a ball even with that winner indeed consider your time in Formula One is the peak of your career. Absolute MD was very important for me as an American race. I don't know if it's true that my parents told me that when they pass through windy. The year my mother was pregnant is in wash the I've a feeling it might be mole shit but I take that for basketball. That is true. I'm very proud of that. I love the fact that my family names on that trophy. I love the fact that I raise some place Jim Clarkston Stewart raced in rid tried it and said Dumb and Allen Jones Trident said no thank you. You have to find ways. To put the fear of having an accident so far back in your head at Indy. To be able to be on the limit which you have to do on those last two, hundred, thirty laps if you're going to win the race, all, India's ninety percent of the time they're trying to stay in that group not having accident, and then as you get closer to that last lap, you just keep doubling your. Their W. so when it guy you've done both Formula One and indy obviously when a guy like Lonzo. Takes on the challenge. Our impressed by what Fernando did back in two thousand seventeen equally can you relate to the frustrations of last year when he didn't qualify for Indian what he's got to go through this year in a couple of months time, and if I were to pick a driver now to say as a character, he's my favorite football I, would definitely is a loss. To have the courage to come to the United States for one hundredth. The economics of one hundredth of what he makes him former one. FIVE TIMES THE RISK Against drivers who don't know him, we're going to do everything possible to trip him up and yet he did it came back a second time to do and didn't qualify and he didn't throw his toys out of his pram. He didn't go over for me, I suspect. Is Possibly Mike back and do it again but he did such a good job of it. Just it was so exciting to see a driver from a totally different backgrounds come and try something new with the downside of failing of making a mistake or something be. Something going wrong is enormous I mean I can understand why Hamilton would never it why put yourself this or you know you You want to be part of history. Well, that's a good reason why you should do it. But if that is not something that's really important for you. I mean any large you can't. There's no logical explanation as to why you would go do it other than you're racing in the same place where carpet Racing in the same place where Grace Stewart and to come there and win it. If. You're capable of winning urine a totally different category. How much you following Formula One. These days we've talked about Hamilton. Yes, and we've obviously got Alonzo coming back next year. But when you look at the young crop of guys coming through if I if I mentioned names to you like Max tapping or Charles Leclerc, you're giving me thumbs up across the zone which one maximal Charleston. Okay I'm very close for our people and they say the corpse real real deal. And it was nice to see him when. I was forget I I am part of Italian. So The one that's American within the ownership and Hustle it's easy for me to focus on Ferrari verstappen his in to watch how we passes is his passing is. Interesting. And he gets away the yeah. He's impetuous. Disney final thoughts actually you just mentioned halfway. You ever tempted when you had your own team to come over and have a cracker Formula One with an American team. Loath to say this. But, I don't see any road where formula. One will ever reach the success that NASCAR has with the American public. And I don't think that takes away anything from Formula One, why did you say it? Just it can't find traction I couldn't it? Just it just can break through all of this works noise that is in the United States. There's just not enough people that followed they need American race cars. They need a lot of American whispers. In need American divers capable of being in Ferrara and in the clan then all of a sudden people will follow. So that's that's what it takes. We need in a front running American driver when Sergio Perez was ruled out of the British, grand? Prix because if these positive cova tests I saw that Alexander Rossi on social media put a little note out saying racing if you've got my number or something like that. Roger. If he'd come over and done that if you would have done well, then he would have the door would have opened. He can he can win all the indycar racing wants. That that is what drives in formula wanting to hire somebody he's a very heated very he's had some phenomenal results in indy. It's a great sport. I been very lucky. I was very lucky. My life took the road of racing. I wouldn't change it will change one thing well, Eddie. Thank you so much for your time. It's been a wonderful. I really enjoyed it i. hope you have to. It's been Cathartic in a way I hope. I don't do these. I don't plan on doing another one. So I hope came out. Okay. Great stuff. Thank you very much for your time. What did you make of that? How different my Eddie's career of being a manager during those early years in particular had he not given up on Ferrari with have given them a racy maybe just maybe and then Eddie might have been a multiple race winner. He certainly had the talent. There are so many ifs buts and maybes in racing, and as he said at the end, he survived a lethal era of the sport when many of his colleagues didn't, and for that, there's a lot to be grateful for. Eddie you've got one hell of a story. Thanks for sharing it. It was great to chat. Well, that's almost it for another week. But before I go, let's have a rummage through the virtual mailbag to see what you're saying about the show. Many of you loved hearing from George, Russell during the build up to the British Grand Prix. What a talent that man is matt still got in touch to say this very interesting chat with George Russell as an ozzy it's difficult to cheer for an Englishman in any think but if he is the future of former one than the sport is in. A great spot looking forward to when it's time comes to be challenging at the front couldn't agree more Matt I love chatting to George because he's such an engaging character and there's no doubting his speed. Let's hope he gets his chance soon enough some grace said this. I'm so impressed by Russell's emotional intelligence poise and generosity in addition to his talent. Now, that's a good point. Some grace about his emotional intelligence knowing how to read situation what to say is such an important skill for anyone and particularly racing driver and I was intrigued by this message from Carson Slam on Youtube who said. My the only one who doesn't want George to go to mark and instead bring Williams back to its former glory days. If Williams works out its Arrow and other car problems. George would be the perfect driver to bring that dream to reality that would make an incredible comeback story for not just Williams but Russell himself just a thought Carson wouldn't that be something as Clare Williams says, she'd move heaven and earth to make him a champion in a Williams curve now unfortunately, that's it for this week but please keep your messages coming because we read each and every one of them and if you haven't Done that yet, and you feel the urge I'm at Home Cox and F one on twitter or you can use the Hashtag f one beyond the great and having scrolled through your reviews on apple podcast. Recently, all I can say is thank you for your kind comments we love making the show few and our Turnley grateful that you're part of the conversation each week. Thanks for listening guys beyond the greatest produced by F one in association with open until next time he picked flat out.

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Material 222: Give and Take

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Material 222: Give and Take

"Don't good morning good afternoon good evening. This is the material podcast your favorite Google podcasts on the block. My name is Florence. I on I'm here joined by my co host any NOCCO and this is episode number triple two. That's two two two to also known as the Country Code for Mauritania which fun fact in April of this year the SE warned consumers not to return phone calls from unknown caller is in the two two two country code because it's connected to a widespread phone scam what isn't connected to a phone scam these days. Andy certainly certainly nothing that will have nothing that I've been involved in for at least six years and that that that's all I should probably say because we're both recording this and so but yes and we can also mortgage more cheerfully hearken back to those Halcyon days as of yesteryear television room to twenty two in which teens of the of the early seventies late sixties at transitional a boomer area era era who are facing an uncertain future with the warriors and Southeast Asia learn to live and laugh and love in a suburban or Bourbon High School. Actually I've never seen it. All I know is that there was a character named burning. He had really really big hair like a white Guy Bernie. There's always a Birdie the giant hair or just like some sort of hair situated even Arne Sanders has his own hair situation. It's like let me give you the name burning you just fall into hair. I don't don't approve of that. I'm saying I am sure he has lots of great qualities as a candidate as a human being. I'm just saying that you can't just run a comb through his hair when he knows he's going to be on television. I or at least do what I do and put a hat on and to cover the fact that you have not been able to do anything with your hair since uh-huh documentary evidence Seventh Grade Photo Day at school. I think my hair was going great on that day after that. It's just either. Brill oh cream or a hat so I didn't brush my hair for you today. I'm sorry a quote just completely put it in putting after getting up this morning that is kind kinda the nice thing about long hair though settles that's that's the that's one of the main reasons why like. I decided to grow ponytail like shortly after college and I kept it until like I could the they'll until pretty much the last week that I could credibly hold onto a ponytail. It wasn't a fashion thing. It wasn't a society eighty thing it was hey that means that instead of like having to Komen plaster my hair down if I just put a rubber band or an elastic in the back of it that will hold all of my hair in place and and keep from going into a million different directions priests do it by the way I discovered last night and my husband came home he and our hairstylist. I have decided that he's going to grow mullet. I just want everybody to think about me any prayers that you want to offer my way really appreciate so I was. There's a story and the story ends with that Barbour being disbarred from whatever certification he has to have. It's it's it's not this whole realism. It's again when when people use the phrase coming back can style. It's like the tide going in or the phases of the moon. People have to go to the deep dark hole that we through that hairstyle in and in the early nineties and repelled down and retrieve it and bring it back up going foot by foot by foot up of this rope. I'm suggesting that they don't need to do that. They shouldn't do that well. We'll see I'll keep you all posted on her situation so just so you know. We like to do a little bit of catch-up here. At the beginning of the material podcast I have been relaying to Andy my week by week. Just step by a step trying to put my house up for sale because that's the thing that you have to do in California to like get anywhere and is so it's been quite a process zest just like clearing out the entire house of things and all the unnecessary items basically whittled down to the essentials which unfortunately somehow means. I've I only have eight pairs of shoes. I don't know I'm GonNa live with only eight pairs of shoes. I have definitely eight times times that amount I've packed away listen. I'm I like to have options. and I do take care of the shoes. Bring home into my home. I you know I polished them. Keep them. I keep the leather ones nicely polished. I keep my motorcycle boots. I Keep Them oiled up. You know I like to take care of things because you never know when stuff is going to be needed so the one thing that I haven't put away into storage. However are basically the tech things that I need to live in continue working in the house. You know I have a smart home so I still have connected bulbs. They still have a google WIFI setup around here. I still have a security system. I still have a lot of Google homes smart speakers so we had a realtor come over her over the weekend because she needed to snap photos for the MLS listing and which is like the listing. We're all the realtors go. There's houses for sale. Here's some pictures and I basically. She told me you need to take the cameras down. You can't have all these ness cameras. Even if they're off off just the fact that they're plugged in like people don't know I guess people feel nowadays when they're walking through a house and you know maybe they WanNa talk about it between the two of them. Maybe they're in another room and like you know it's a couple or whatever and they wanna like. I've done this with my husband. We've gone to go look at places like we'll go oh into another room and be like. I don't know if I like this door like. Oh God this like this. This house smells like interesting. Could we could we. Could we get the smell out of this house like you. WanNa say these things under your breath but with the prevalence of microphones in people's houses my my realtor had brought up Amazon because that's kind of the prevalent one in here in the burbs Google so I was like don't worry so we took down all the nest cameras cameras. Maybe I should be out this podcast but we still put them back up over and took down. Most of the cameras should say except for the outdoor ones and I have muted all of the Mike's households and covered up all of the additional camera chemistry just made up that word you know because I have the llanelli smart displays you can do video chat and so I have to remember to do this through every room because if I don't apparently that is going to apparently a potential buyer coming in CEO I don't. I don't want this house because it's possible they listening in to me without my consent so that's the thing I did not think about beforehand forehand. I was just like oh well. I got to leave it up. I'm still writing about the stuff and still working and anyway I want to still be able to talk to my house the lights on and off because this is my this is is my daily interaction with my house. My realtor said no no does night. It does not bode well with folks who are coming through your house. It doesn't bode well with realtors. Sir Coming through to look at your house on top of that. I was also told to make sure that I take out all of the fancy monitoring monitoring like the thermostat the the fire of the smoke detectors on the fire the smoke and carbon urban oxide detectors like those little sensors that I have around the house because anything that's up can be included people will ask Osas included in the price of the House and so my husband went and dropped a ton of money by the way the stuff is not cheap even like the old school staff he went and dropped a ton of money at the heart restore to replace all of the smart things with the regular things so that when people come over now like they know to settle their our expectations like you're not getting a nest thermostat with this house. We paid money for that. It's going with us It's just it's been an interesting experience ah to say the least just also to think about how the smart home fits in to the suburbs because I think maybe in an urban area maybe in a you know have a lot of friends who live in the heart of Silicon Valley. So this thing is really commonplace. I live deep out in the suburbs where are people are starting to see more ring doorbells pop up here and there and it's it's like becoming a thing but people are still they walk into a house in their dubious if they see a camera if they see a smart speaker. Oh is it listening to me so I have to do my part to make sure my house gets sold and people don't think they're being surveilled. It it just a bit in this in this day and age I would be less worried about the seller trying to ease drop on the negotiations and more worried about this house isn't really for sale is it you just have a wacky youtube channel and then when like the real the quote realtor unquote quote says. Oh and if you go through the foyer that's where you have like the double bathroom that had opened and got the hundred million playground balls or there's going to be someone in a Michael Admires mask. I'M GONNA have to go and run out of there. I'm sorry I signed no release yeah. That's it's Arale candid camera. So would you buy this house or not pleased by my house by the way just somebody so anyway. That's what's going on on here in flow land Andy what's going up in. Andy Land Sounds like a very fun theme park it is it's Jason to shoots and ladders limp a there's it's well. I'm starting to lose my patience a little tiny bit with a super annoying. Wifi bug in criminal s because it's I don't i. This is not not just me. This is a problem that Google has noted but not noted when they're gonNA fix it for some reason all like wake up my chromebook and I'm on twitter. I'm on instagram. I'm on Google Docs. I am connecting to my servers during all that Kinda Anna stuff but Youtube says oh you're flying you want to go to go to downloads and like no I. I don't WanNa go download because I'm clearly online here and they'll tab over to chrome and stick type. Youtube Dot Com E. C. Youtube the APP Youtube the website accessible. Oh thanks clicking retry button but you've seem to be off line. Why would you like to and and you think well what if I close the APP and restart it no what if I disconnect from Wifi and reconnect connect sometimes but not necessarily but it it sometimes affects other streaming APPs like Netflix as well it happened it affected the comic solid JAP which is it's Wednesday so I'm getting my and it's see the what really really sticks it to me about. This thing is that all of the APPS that are being affected are like entertainment APPs that I use to relax when maybe be. I've just finished a stressful in strung out day of work and say okay. There's a there's a brand new winter garden Marla she next video today. I've been saving this all day long. Now I forgot I'm not entitled to relax and Watch Youtube video. I have to de bug and troubleshoot something I that's my responsibility apparently and and it's weird. I thought there was some there was a couple of reports that there is a bug that interacted poorly with certain. VPN's I'm expressed. VPN is slash was slash will be a sponsor of the show and I still like pay top top dollar for it to a good vpn service and so and talk about well actually not just turn it off. I will de install it over removed the APP and that didn't change anything and so I just I the thing that I value most of all about any computer is if I don't have to trouble will shoot anything and then that's a different thing from just things not breaking. I mean that the reliability of a toaster where you put bread in you push this thing down at this point. It's it's it is the toasters responsibility to provide you with toasts in three seven minutes and you councils at waffle waffles waffles or frequently toast the pop tarts and still eating them as a as God's bounty has from the vine as as intended and I just don't like the thing where it's like okay. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. Watch that wonderful new new new seasons of marvelous. Mrs Mazel that I've been anticipating I've book I have two hours to binge-watch and after I get netflix running. I should have have another thirty to forty minutes left to watch it so I'm it's. It's the thing that's bumming. Bundy bumming the hell out of me on my chromebook right now is actually deteriorating my entire relationship with micro book even though otherwise it's perfectly fine chromebook. I still love it. I'm but I just I it's it kind of dovetails in with how bad bad the youtube. APP is in general where it's just mediocre. It's very much the sort of APP where God if you're or like a freshman cops is student and this is going to be like your semester project and you. I design and you all along. You're in this. You're in this to get a degree and a gentleman's be. You don't really don't really care about excellence. I mean it does the job but it's not the sort of it's the sort of thing that someone who is not corporately and financially invested in the success of Youtube as a platform would give people the fact that I still have to have some sort of a plug in just to get like picture in picture video just is to have watch a youtube video that floats on top of all my google docs windows and stuff like that I feel as though that could be trying harder so so it's I'm just disappointed. I'm angry. I'm just disappointed. Yeah you know I'm I'm as much as I still love the portability ability of the Pixel Book and you know it remains my travel companion definitely been using my windows. Pc a lot more frequently just because moving a lot faster on it. I can find more APPs for it and the experience overall is is the same experience I've had since I started using windows in the nineties. You know what I mean. It's like you. You have had this long relate. It's like when you stick with the kind of kind of the same car model. I've had these cars for for years and they've been reliable lasted me this long. Why the heck would I why change why why change something that isn't broken kind of thing and it's not to say the chromosomes broken but it definitely when I think about how what I need with me when I'm going on a work trip have to seriously I think again. Will the chromos me will a chrome. Os Device meet all of my needs and I think this'll be an interesting discussion that we will have in the next act. When we talk about something else that's coming out in the chrome sphere of news interesting as this captivating news we do have a couple of updates one which is short and trivial at one which is larger but much much much more wonderful of course if you want the weekly Gimme GimMe Bush experiment update we are now a result number two and number three of podcast episode search results for quote podcast about the Gimpy Gimpy so our this is why evangelism and self promotion is the key to creeping up the search results. You can gain the system you you can pro- you can do the essay. Seo Game. You can pay for paid place placement but really it is all about that big old that that standard just door order door introduce yourself as the candidate explain why you want to be the next city council person and that's there's just nothing like good street level promotion Russian. We need to get somebody from Google on this because now we officially have a sample size or whatever it's called officially sample sample whatever that we've been working on a scientific sample and I feel like I wanna get somebody who's worked on. This must be somewhere. Listen listen. I studied journalism not Matt so anyway. We should get somebody on. I mean reach reach out to Google about this in the next couple of days. See if I can get somebody on the line and be like hey listen. I would like to talk to somebody about this because I'm very curious about how we manage gashed game the algorithm because now we're giving me. Bush influencers exactly are officially influence hurt and if we're in the top in the top three spot and when when and you think about it like when people Google about like room to twenty two it's because they they remember those a character called Bernie and they suddenly they've. He's got they're bored at work. The Modern Oh oh with that show is about when someone is googling for the about Info Info about the GimMe GimMe Bush s because that they know that they are about to become an they're about to to wade through gimpy gimpy Bush infested areas of Australia and they do not want to brush against these poisonous leaves that are so painful that I just described as being shot with a bullet full of acid I so I think that they are advertising placement as authority as respected Google Google recognize authority on GimMe Gimme we think do you think that that's that's a very very important demographic in a very very lucrative demographic like like those fancy fancy magazines that only only have like a circulation review thousand but somehow like ads cost like eighty thousand dollars per column inch and they're sold out the next three years. That's what that's getting. It and I'm willing to look up episodes of room to twenty two because I just googled it and I realized this is. This is an important piece of American history that I I need to keep on and I know now that you've Google so you probably know more about room. Twenty two twenty two hundred all I know is that there was a joke on an episode of Mystery Science Theater Three thousand wears. A woman like was wearing a stylish. I wish women in the sixties was wearing this big bushy pink furry hat and I think Crow said hey it's Bernie from room to twenty two do the right heard about route twenty two and now with his character name Bernie yes youth. I should probably up too much more important in wonderful new we too we too so an update before we get to our for stat and our first act so you all probably know that this month we we have been relay. 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There were two major major tech things that had happened or rather major game things that had happened so so we had the launch of the tennis which light which I ended up buying one even though I didn't need one because you know et Cetera time and I wanted. I wanted a blue Nintendo. Okay you know capitalism attacked by your something. Actually I weigh in this game is yeah that has taken the world by storm and for good reason if you haven't checked it out. I think it's called the untitled use ace game. It is the duck with the working title of the unparalled goose game. I don't I don't don't go on like the play store and look for untitled goose game 'cause not available L. for Androids only available for desktops and for a couple of consoles including the switch but you will find lots of lots of really really bad adware games names like untitled duck day or ducks couscous without titles as usual so so yeah and the other thing that everybody I was talking about was the apple the Apple Arcade now. We're GONNA talk about APP l'arcade but I bring it up because it was very interesting to see the threats that are coming out from my pals who are die hard. IOS IPHONE and IPAD users to here like the games that their kids were engaging in over the weekend to just know that there's this library of games that have come out specifically for folks who want to sign up for the subscription model will so it kind of made me a little excited to enter into the Google play pass right. I was like Oh this is great like wow okay. The apple users are really enjoying what they've got going on here. Like okay we turn okay enter Tuesday of this week so finally signed up for the go play pass now. Here's the official announcement ghouls ghouls zone subscription Google's own subscription APPs or APP service. He has that we we we'd heard about it because some people had had secretly on the sly received just like an invite to participate in Beta in which we're all thinking ooh. This could be really good. I can't wait for them to cancel it before. It actually becomes so play passes a from the official description a new subscription service that gives you access to more than three hundred fifty apps and games there are completely locked offering ads in purchases and upfront payments play pass offers a high quality curated a collection of titles from Star Valley to accuweather with you APPS and games at it every month so to begin then you'll get a ten day free trial. If you sign up now you can get to it by pop over to your play store APP on your android device. I'm going to go do this in real time time podcast and then you go into the overflow menu which typically is on the upper left hand side and you tap on. Hey where to go what I signed up for it already so it's included in my main dock and I and it was like an ad on the top deck of the of the page interesting groupware. You're okay well. I found it in the overflow menu. I'm signed up for it. Yeah I and so you go and you sign up for play pass so they're doing ten day free trial. The subscription normally normally costs four ninety nine a month but early adopters Mandy get the first twelve months for a dollar ninety nine a month so that's that's nice in palatable bowl and once an APP is accepted into the play pass system so once you're paying for all that and it knows you've got play pass engaged. The ad mechanisms are disables bulls in any inept purchase opportunities presented to you as paid. It's also worth noting that any APP included in this becomes a part of the family library prairie so if you're a parent or maybe you're me and you have couple of besties who are like family to you and your husband and you know. Oh you just want to provide a service for them because it's like the only thing you can contribute to the world anyway. you know they can engage in it too and it's not just games. It's calculator APPS. It's sound machine APPs. It's mostly mostly yes yeah. I wonder if we have the same experience where yeah and it's like. I I it's it's like it's like every you look through the worst thing converts arsia exactly and it's it really it really is like. Oh God it's like it's like the SORTA gifts that you get for someone like that. You you buy at the drugstore at the ski yeah because I so I signed up for. I signed up for today and today and so it's like okay move like white noise. APP like noise APP meditation noisette Meditation Noise APPs solitaire AP white noise APP calculator later white noise APP weather APP calculator APP SOLITAIRE APP. It's I mean there's yes. There are some the monument values in there air which is for it which yeah and salt and to be fair. It's like these are if it's an APP that you've heard of it's probably an APP. That was really really big. Two or three years ago and now is no longer a bigger earner for the developers and you compare and contrast this with breath the Apple Arcades Apple Arcade Service where like I activated my my press loner. I phone a iphone eleven and Sir like on my way before the before getting my uber home as well Senate for Apple Arcade and by the time I got back to my house. I was already like downloaded. Mike My Eighth Ninth Tenth Game 'cause they're like incredible games that were created just for this service and they are so beautifully beautifully gorgeous. Lee Weird that they are this is. This is like Apple. Invest in people are playing. There's a there's a precedent edge it. Let's see yeah. That's a good example. It's called what the Gulf and so you think you play like the first one the if the first hole or whatever anything okay here's a real physics cool cute little cartoon guy and okay yes. He's hit the ball now. He's at the stick great but then like you get to the second hole and you swing and now like the guy gets thrown right down down like towards the hall and now like you're basically golfing with the guy and another one where just every single hall is a different like joke on how you can play with the physics of of above of golf where now is the club or now. There's like a hundred golf clubs on the front. I'm I'm not trying to get you to switch to apple. Bowl and get our apple arcade. I'm trying to like sort of compare and contrast with a look. Oh and now here's pirates solitaire which is solitaire only with a pirate graphic background spider ooh that solitaire with a square paint Yup. It's I mean I'm not saying I'm not saying that. All of these are like all the things that are in place are terrible. I'm just saying that I went from initially thinking that well. I think I thought that five bucks a month for apple are K. was a good deal. This also has also has productivity eh at wild meaning for two bucks a month for year that is a deal and after like twenty minutes of looking through these listings not downloading thing. I'm like maybe I can cancel so before it gets charged by I two dollars. Hold on hold on listen. I'm going to go. I'm going to go through these APPs. Okay and I'm GonNa find things. The thing about it is okay so developers will be get the way that this is. GonNa work is developers. Developers will get a royalty based on the amount of time that user spending their APPs and Google will keep refining the model the reward APPs that users value and developer participation. The patient is by invitation only which I'm thinking. That's an initial thing. I wonder if maybe in a year at Google I o will be hearing like everybody can join the play pass if they want to. uh-huh developer blog has more information which we will link to for those of you developers out there who listen in but I imagine that this is I feel like this. This is a good idea for families who maybe want to track the spending of their little ones who are playing all those simple simplistic games who you know you. Just you have a tablet that you've repurposes kind of like the family play slate and you just want to toss it off often go here. This is what you're allowed to play this which allowed to us. I think it also you know again the whole family. It's I feel like it's it's more of a part of Google's trajectory to become a part of the family that it is supposed to be a kind of apple or kate thing where it's supposed to position it. Ah like this this part of a larger gaming system if that makes sense because I feel like with apples arcade. It's more like hey we're. We're GONNA start. You know we realized people are using the IPHONE IPAD to play games so we WANNA try and offer this to our users whereas Google fields more like hey a lot of you have families out there you really like the parental controls that we include but you don't like the fact that your children are spending hundreds of dollars and things they don't need so. Maybe this is a way that you can manage it. I mean this is just this is just I talk level. Look at it every every three or four months. It makes it makes the like the mainstream news about how like some parents got charged like six seven eight hundred dollars because their kid like figured out what the passcode Pasco was to their phone. They wound up like all these all these credit accu weather. It's like that that is one six sick weather APP. I'm I'm really ah by the way disappointed that it's not dark. Sky Included in this new thing is though dark skies a hunt is a dollar ninety nine a year so I'd actually be overpaying for it if if I were paying for it through the play pass but I'm gonNA use this. I'm going to go through these ops. I've already like I have a folder of play pass APPs and every night. I'm just kind of like like all right. Let's see what we got here. Okay so I'm GonNa see you know. Maybe there's some gems in the store that I haven't checked out yet but I am bummed because Star Valley paid for it and that's like an eight dollar game I've also paid for all of the rains because Lee Alexander here is one of the writers on those games and a huge fan of hers and of course I wanted to toss money her way for those things and so my money's already flown blown out the window for those developers but we'll see we'll see you since I just. I just wish it didn't feel quite so much like a google for Google found out about apple arcade because it was it was announced like months and months and months ago and they just had a quick meeting and decided what can we throw together and have released released in the fall so that we can say we have our own subscription service it doesn't it doesn't feel like they it was that it was anybody's pride and joy inside of Google to create this thing that's all I understand what you mean by that I also but I also am deeply committed to matt to my idea that it's it's not a I don't know I said deeply committed. I don't know why I chose exact words but I just want to go with my gut feeling that I don't although we should talk to somebody at Google about this too. I think we should get some insight you want you. You want to see the good in everybody. That's very very title and Wolfing but it's also just thinking as a consumer. Would you're in those meeting the meeting rooms in your together with your team and you're trying to think okay well. What what can we do to differentiate ourselves and I just Google Google is a family brand. They want to be a family brand which I don't really think of apple that I think apple is an individualist brand like you get into apple because you WANNA be part of this design paradigm part of us this this movement whereas I feel like ghouls like well we have our family and we want to think about what we do the best for you know. Maybe it's my own anyway. Let's move on so so we were talking about earlier chromebooks so Kinda what grinds gears about them but we still love him. You know so ninety. Five Google is reporting Google's next laptop is the pixelbook go with a thirteen point three inch four K. display which sounds like a very high resolution display at that size. It almost feels too much but what do I know just tech journalist so according to multiple sources familiar with the plan the Pixel pixelbook go will be one of those devices announced. October is made by Google event. It's a successor to the original Pixel book but it's made more like a conventional laptop so it's a traditional clam shell design not too and wine so you're not not gonna be able to flip it over and do you know that magic that you do when you flip over device and though it does have a touchscreen because I feel like that's just if you're a windows or chromebook accuser. You gotta be able to touch it. It's not about -able with the pixelbook pen. Okay I could see why in flip it over directly so thirteen point three inch wide screen display with up to four K. resolution which again a andy and I are scratching their heads about because I'm sure I'm sure having nat laptop on the side of the bathtub will be great when you're catching up on your you know your your stories chromebook that that has to be the stadium. Don't you think I keep forgetting that stadia. You're right. Andy two. USB ports and a headphone Jack like the original pixel book nine to five Google says we're told the pixelbook go come and Intel core three I five I seven configurations with either eight gigs or sixty gigs of Ram and sixty four one hundred twenty eight or two hundred and fifty six gigs of storage folks. Cofer the I five it just to do yourself a favor. Just trust me on that one. pricing is said to be wealth. Let's talk about pricing pricing to be roughly aligned with the original pixelbook meaning starting. It's seven ninety nine okay. That's okay which means that the I five configuration with one hundred twenty eight gigs is going to be yeah. I wish there this was the pixelbook was an entirely different product in my mind where when this was before we before we actually had lennox and while we had all of these white hot rumors of Google trying to get a windows ten certification for for a coming unreleased device and we we know what happened. It's not as though like. Oh that was mixed that up with a hot Pretzel Day at the on the on on the mountain view campus and at that point you say well that I was wondering why they're selling these fifteen hundred dollar I seven based chromebooks books all things now it's because they're going to wipe the table and make make a triple boot machine like no it really is just going to be a chromebook and yes you can run. Lennox on it but they're even now they've yet to create an approach to Lennox that makes it feel like it says important as chrome chrome. Os even and mean I mean the we're talking about. when you're when I'm when we're tr we're packing for for a trip up like I'm I'm. I'm sort of getting in my mind what I'm going to be taking four to New York for a couple of weeks and it's like but I have to do. I have to do a streaming live video h pot podcast and does and that by default means. I have to take my Mac book with me because because like I've because guess there's chrome. Os has skype on it but doesn't support like the external devices. I need or okay well. What if I use skype for Lennox but the but Christine had still doesn't support certain types of USB devices and so if you need to have an actual microphone plugged in or support of a built in built in Webcam last time I checked it was still impossible awesome. I'm GONNA check again in case situations change. It just bumped me out that when you have a device that if you've plunked the an all the money for an on ice seven with sixteen gigabytes of working ram that is a lot of memory that is a lot of memory thinking android studio studio. I I'm thinking yeah. That's the only reason I would coming to the conclusion for that. Much memory is that they want. Google wants to continue to say hey this is this is your portable. Andrew Studio machine plus. You can do Abyan see with it but I think you're right on about the stadia thing because imagine imagine all that Ram. Will I guess again. Crap Studio is see I have to go back through my knowledge of computing and remember remember what it is that is so the streaming a lot of that happens through the processor but I guess yeah. The memory matters there too anyway way yeah. It's it's. I don't think that will ever be a chrome. Os Strategy that doesn't leave a scratching our heads in one category category or another and yet wanting to buy one yeah exactly because if you if you present when I saw the nine to five Google by the way broke the story so this is like everyone else got the story from ninety five Google when I saw read this article and they saw that the name was the pixelbook go. The first thing I thought is okay so they realized that an addition to having like a thousand dollar a laptop like one they should have like a five hundred dollar one that that's not necessarily competes with the educational ones but at least does the job pixel by saying here's what an optimal version of this sort of device could be or they actually want to get into sully's of these hardware. I did not expect. Let's let's charge as much for the Pixel Book but let's make sure it looks boring. It will only come in like sort of a very very office like a dark gray black. There's also a pinkish you with some sort of a clever the name to the color but not like it comes in Rainbow Colors. If they've what makes the for me what makes the Pixel book worked so well what makes so many chromebooks works so well as when you have two and one that you can really that can really take the place of the things that I would use a tablet for like the the number of times where I just have a I've taken a trip and I've taken I have because of podcast or whatever taking my macbook and my chromebook the just being able all to rotate the screen around and just have like this easel screen. That's just doing my Netflix or doing something on the on the hotel room desk while I'm added. That's if you if you turn it into a basic clam shell laptop. It's not quite as attractive to me. At that point. I would much rather say well. Let's take a look at like four hundred dollar like Dell and HP and Samsung chromebooks that if I mean if a by Samsung I'll get that stylus back so will we'll see John. Kabul stylus decks even well a couple of weeks. I guess yes. Tober is always bit. It's a big month. I got married in October and Google has events for me October's big month. Oh and it's all online which I'm not going to be able to decorate this year because I'm trying to sell my house and apparently putting up Guli in the window and all I try to do a little decoration for the kids. Are you smart lights and skeletons and creepy things in the window and all the kids combine the and it's but I can't do that this year. Are you bet that's another important thing. 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Use for I got I got I got this email from Youtube and about saying that saying that oh well we're going to be removing your verified checkmark and here's why are we doing that and here's what policy is and my reactions were like Youtube is removing verified checkmark on my account followed by. I had a verified checkmark on my account followed by. Oh that's right you. You haven't actually made a video in two or three years has been you just because I never really found of grew for making a video like every single day every single week. It's still there and I'll maybe I'll post a link to ipod Eh. It was a nice reminder I wasn't I wasn't as harked off as a lot of people people with. Let's say a couple of million followers who make their living posting youtube who videos who also got this like boilerplate email saying that we removing verified checkmark and there's nothing you can do about it and and you're almost certainly not going to get it back. Yeah I saw a lot of those threads going around the official email and Andy. Did you get this official email this. It felt kind of thirty five hundred thirty five hundred followers. I don't know when I got verified but I got verified and have them posted video for like two years or so. Maybe through said we're writing to let you know we're updating the eligibility criteria for channel verification on Youtube and unfortunately okay with these changes your channel. No longer meets the criteria to be verified. We realize this might be disappointing but we believe these updates will make channel verification more consistent for users and creators reenters across youtube so verified creators get in this is why a lot of panic ensued which by the way the New York Times has a lot of reactions from folks who do make a living off of Youtube or we'll post that link in the show notes verified creators now now get more prominent placement in comic threads on other videos creators because of this change craters are also worried that their videos won't be as likely to be included rooted in suggested or promoted videos which I would if I'm trying to like start a channel on youtube trying to get noticed. I it feels like I'm not a part of this special. Group gets visibility again as Andy put here in the notes. There's a perceived cachet about being a have instead of a half not and I definitely do feel that way with youtube yeah. I feel like there are a lot a lot around with that while the that's that's how you that is how you turn like a tight knit community into to like elites and serfs is that if you just take ten percent them at random and say that oh well you know how like we all have a like regular. BOSTON RED SOX caps you ten percent get to WEAR WHITE BOSTON RED SOX caps with red logos on them and suddenly like it means nothing nothing but not everybody gets to have. I noticed this person because he's got the white what did he what what can I do to have the white cap and even though like the verify I again then I reiterate I it's such a transforming honor that I had no idea that had been verified at some point in my non-use of Youtube but it's like oh but all I know is that other people a small group of people have this checkmark and I don't and the Converse was made made in New York Times article by one of the craters that like if I'm trying I'm trying to I'm paraphrasing but she was saying something along the lines of like well so much of my effort in my career is getting people to take me seriously and getting advertisers to take me seriously and I don't. I don't care if people misunderstand the chuck. Mark means the the fact that I have it and most people don't if that gives me like eighty two cents worth of of of more the credibility in someone's eyes. I need that eighty two cents worth of more credibility. It's completely understandable so youtube explained that they wanted to make changes to the verified. If I check mark including the checkmark itself they had said in the original blog post S- through our research we found that viewers often associated the checkbook with endorsement of content not naught identity which I'm like okay by 'cause on twitter. It's an endorsement of identity. It's like you know I was just yeah go. It's really you or this. Is Your official account. This is the one that I'm going to interact with and I imagine that that would have carried over to youtube because I don't know I also don't hang out a lot on youtube so maybe I'm missing something they also wanted to update the functional verification so the blog. Post said our new criteria prioritizes verifying prominent channels that have clear need for proof authenticity. We look at a a number of factors determine. If a channel meets this criteria I am very curious by the way how this is going to affect the trash-talking beauty bloggers because there's this well. There's a lot of pettiness on youtube granted. It's just yeah yeah. There's a lot of pettiness on YouTube. They're people who do like gossip videos and things like that where they just slam yeah thinking. I'm like how are you supposed shoe offer authenticity in prominence to a channel like that like I could understand the checkmark verifying the identity of that and I'm trying to think of non cursing worked for the biggest I think we're filling in the blanks for nicely but the what they're what they're saying his that they're trying to they they figure that the the the the role of the of verification going forward is going to be so that if F- key to be us a huge example make sure that coca-cola's official video channel is not mistaken for Cola fanciers or K. O. K. Okay A. K. O. L. A. OF ATLANTA Georgia so listen to the people who who use youtube. Don't mistake who want to actually get something from the official channel. Hannele aren't getting from someplace else like when like when I when I when I've heard like on twitter that hey the new trailer for this movie has officially dropped I will of course I do a search for on Youtube but how many times rafters sift past like all these people that as soon as they heard that the video dropped they created like a thirty second video Wpro dudes make sure you check out the new the new frozen to trailer think come right back and hit that like subscribing ah actually no I I I didn't do the search to look at you and your t-shirt in your bedroom yelling about the the the the frozen to trailer every viewpoints I wanna find the official trailer and and also making they're also trying to make the point that if nobody knows or cares who you are are. You don't really need to be verified. No one no one is trying to pretend to be gern blend stan well. I didn't mean it that way. I just meant that like the like if you if you think that you're being followed like if you if you think that if you think that there's a government conspiracy to keep deep you personally from getting to the library and finding out how to like at an addition to your deck like that is so that is a big clunky ego coming to your surface that you really think that the government that the federal government is interested in your building a deck. Jack and will do anything to stop you from doing that so that it's it's a weird thing too because you reading the New York Times Times article I once again. I'm confronted by this thing. I don't understand where so and so who has a five million follower million Elian subscribers on youtube and that is a huge audience and what well done to that person for developing that huge community but I'm always he's gobsmacked that anybody can have an audience of five million and I have. I don't even have fractional name awareness like again again. I'm aware of room to twenty two never seen an episode of and have no idea whether it's a comedy where this a drama whatever this guy with big hair that's all but see. I'm aware aware of it. I mean I trauma by the way okay. Sorry gone so yeah so it's weird to me that someone who oh I would pass but they if if this celebrity like I were eating lunch like at the Corner Deli in my neighborhood and like I didn't notice them like they would feel as though he knows exactly who I am he must hate me and hate everything I stand for and he's trying to make me feel bad by pretending that he doesn't know who I know truly I didn't. I have no idea who you are. It's I'm sure you're a great person. I'm not judging because 'cause I actually don't know enough about you to judge you. If I were judgmental person so but that but that's the sort of stuff that Google is they're trying to redefine what that checkmark means and and but I think I think the really big problem was that and this comes through in a lot of chatter. That's been happening just the idea. That here is yet again. If I am a creator who makes his makes their living off of Youtube. There's been for the past couple of years. Particularly Youtube has been full of just first unexpected blows from left and right that we've hi this is to inform you that we've made a completely arbitrary decision that we have not informed you about that was coming coming and there's absolutely that will absolutely destroy your ability to make money off this platform so essentially we are firing you from your job and there's absolutely no ways nothing you can do to to talk about this or to change this decision so when you just get we have millions of followers and you'll get an email saying by the way we're removing a check mark you rock and give you reasons why you particularly got your checkmark taken away from you but rest assured there's absolutely no way to get that back but apparently there was because you just make big hawkins stink about it because it's it's weird to hurt the feelings of somebody who your relationship business insulation ship is that you give them a platform that allows them to talk to millions of people because this is the first thing they're going to do is make video about how how the. Hell have have I am. I like no longer verifiable. Look you've got five million of you people out there and so the very next day via twitter they announced that okay we are still going to proceed with our revamping of a verification but anybody who already has a verification checkmark. We'll get to keep that verification checkmark so hey yes with my thirty five hundred thank you all thirty five hundred review probably eight hundred Bautzen to Oh that would even be who remember my name if my if I posted a video and actually Camp Mal came up in your subscriptions but hey thank you very much it's like I said it's IT'S I. I'm not I don't I don't the only time I cared about losing it is when I was made aware that I had it to begin with so I am a hypocrite La Handy. I feel like now you better try and get on that train to monetize it. No well I I feel as though step one will be to actually shoot a video and and then just just as importantly posted to add it have to do all this stuff. Speaking video says a lot of work just just to remind there are really don't don't want I. I have a standup shower in my house. I my my my my condo. I don't WanNa have to like build a bathtub. Just fill it with with milk and cereal twice twice. We do look ooh. I've got forty eight forty eight hundred gallons. Uh reminding me how awful it really all. Is there unless you to see the the thing that keeps me off of. Youtube is the fact that all of my favorite channels are people who are extremely clever and work very very hard do incredible things and so I can't I can't be like tecmo and I can't be like can't be like Contra points. Always it doe in best job out there. It's Uh and went to let the professionals do the profess- I'm just going to be over here talking until microphone into let's take another quick a little break and then we will finish off. This episode of material is brought to you by Kensington. 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THAT'S KENSINGTON DOT com slash material to learn more our thanks to Kensington for their support of this show and all of relay FM YEP so this was actually a piece on in our notes last week but we ran out of time because India. I had a lot to say about wearables wearables and you know I think that was very good podcast so please go back and listen to twenty one if you haven't already can. I say that after after wearing the Apple Watch series five for only two days as I am even more upset and disappointed with android wear where West that I've ever been. We don't forget into it. I'm just saying that like why can't sweat Canada. android wear have a watched. That's as slim and pretty is this and it worked as nice as that. That's all I'm saying we can now. I know I'm still I am disappoint now. I'm still on that train to so last week. Fast Company posted this great article by Katrina Brooker Rooker called with the headline Google's quantum bet on the future of a and what it means to humanity. We often forget. I think that that Google has pretty much all the computing power data and talent to pursue its artificial intelligence endeavors which is why why it is so ahead of the pack of so many other companies in Silicon Valley. I mean it's a reason why would we go to Google CEO. Ai Is the big theme around around all of the demonstrations. It's like the big. It's a thread that binds that binds Google and it's I mean that's what you're using. When you go home in your house you have. That's the fruits of that of those toes Labor's. Wow assumed are Pichai took over as the head of Google loves. The first thing income does that we are grinding. We're going to shift ourselves into being an AI based company and after people thinking. Oh let's seems like something that a new CEO was say to make sure he looks good in front of the cameras but then not actually have a plan but no it's like. Everything's every single thing that we use. It's a Google Product is somehow has the. Ai Pixie dust spring so kind of just an interesting little tidbit. We're GONNA put the link for this the show notes if you haven't read it already. I think this would be a good long. Read dive into with your weekend coffee or tea so when asked how Google determines whether a project is good or bad for society spur apologized site. Something called the lip reading project quote unquote. A team of engineers had an idea to use. Ai Cameras to read lips intention was to enable communication indication for non verbal people however some raised concerns about unintended consequences could bad actors use it for surveillance through streak cameras bruce the engineers tested it on Street Cams C. C. TV and other public cameras and determined that the I. needs to be close up to work. Google published a paper detailing telling the effort confident that for now it can be used safely so the article it really brings us into what what it is the result of having all of this ai in our lifetime. I think we have seen this lip reading. I mean we've seen a deep fakes have been quite quite a topic of conversation over the last couple of months as freely really passing for the real thing in some cases but then you think about the other side of the spectrum which is when your Google Google's talking about accessibility features and how this is helping folks. I mean this is this. This is a part of life caption. This live caption works effectively. It's reading. It's reading the lips. It's listening to the sound in the background ground. Try and like give you the sound effects that are happening. there's a given take for this kind of technology existing in our society and Whoa that's one of the things I really liked about that. Article was how it really does show off. That Google really does think about this sort of stuff. I don't think that Amazon and God of Corpus facebook really think too hard about what's the effect of this technology going to be on society where Amazon. We'll say hey here's our face recognition technology. We're going to call it recognition with a K. to make it sound more even more Kafka esque as going to be and yes. We will let law enforcement. Let anybody use this and unless you take it they're Gary after facebook and facebook being proving just as bad if not worse. It's good to get these stories out about a about a company like Google. That is like like we us. This is a good thing but is there a what's. Is there a danger that we're creating something. We're going to regret later on an actually having to really really think through and so that's that's why all of Google sins remain Google sins and they still need to make penance for every bad thing they do both internally and externally externally but however this is why I have a lot of faith. That's a lot of my friends who are apple. People don't understand is why have faith in Google because I do believe that in their heart they have a sense of right and wrong. They do not WanNa do wrong things. As a matter of fact you you brought up deep fakes another story that I think just just broke today just today Google released a huge data set of deep fakes so that if someone if you want to train machine learning model to recognize deep fakes here is a huge data set that is collected examples of deep fake so you can look for things that could be used to train at a I to spot these things so this and this is not something that will make Google money. This is not something to make Google Prestige because it's too esoteric to be something they could really make bank on but nonetheless they saw an opportunity to do something positive and they did that thing so I'm sure I'm sure that I just want you this next week. When we get news or something uh-huh that we have to talk about Google's practices but realize that it's that it's for me at least it's attached to a faith that they do know right from wrong. Sometimes though they have to spend some time thinking about something before the angel on one shoulder shouts down the devil on the other shoulder well not to mention if you are coming out with this kind of technology that people are using you've gotta be able to back it up and that just shows date if Google's thinking I mean that's I'm glad that they're doing that doesn't doesn't necessarily mean everything is going to be used for good because the world is as the world is well. There are also responsible for tensor flow which is the two leading like a systems for developing machine learning models and part of the part of the purpose of tensor flow is to create business this for their cloud computing platform and every time that Google is a product in the ribs and or hit over the head with a Cudgel by American military saying well. They're helping the Chinese with their artificial intelligence efforts and they're letting their employees told them not to work on American military projects. Usually they're talking about is that they have that the Chinese private and government researchers have access to this free thing called tensor flow that they're giving to everybody and they don't have a way to say that we don't approve of this thing that you're writing with tensor flow and we're GonNa make sure you can't do that whether by design or by simple failure of scale so yeah. It's it's a complicated. It's hard to be this big in a world. That's that's this small but at least they kind of understand the when they burp they can knock down entire forests so please do that. Speaking of burping this is our last little tidbit for today's podcast and this is a fun one so this Friday you might be listening to us because I understand and the week you WANNA listen to your favorite podcast head to Columbus Day weekend. Let's not or indigenous Peoples Day weekend. I'm I'm I'm totally on the side of people who want to find something more productive to us with that with that. That's why I've been researching alike. The the native population of California versus the missions that went up because that's like all we've learned about in yeah. I'm trying to prepare my anyway. soon google can legally delay drink on Friday everybody party. That's a good one. Andy company traditionally celebrate his birthday on September Robert twenty-seventh now. You're just doing apple sounds and I don't know that I can allow first podcast. It's okay but it's the drop. I know the drop and this Friday is September. Twenty Seventh Google turns twenty one so everybody celebrate it also means Google Libra for those of you who so follow along in the Zodiac who I guess is balanced you do that what you will will google announced something offers for sale on Booze Google Jin. Wouldn't that be something yeah. There's past years they they've marked it by doing something or other whether it's announcing new features for the assistant or having like a one day sale on the goodwill store so so maybe keep your keep your eyes open and your ears pointed towards your your. Google transponder to you see I'm I'm. I have decided that if if there's a google home Max Speaker sale at any point underneath a certain amount of money. I don't care what my finances are on that day. I'm going to buy a second Google Home Max Speaker on that day because I've come so close so many times. There's a number in mind and I'm hoping that maybe it'll be a clearance or maybe they'll they'll they'll change the color of that white to a sort of like bone egg shell and decide that the old white ones have to go and so they're going to be but so yes this this this. This is why this Friday kinda has my full and complete attention as a mosquito hunting Miri now just so eh. Eh You know we got Easter neckline and stuff lettuce here New England. I'm I fully support your you're. You're swat ability even though I don't think the Tripoli has been spotted by the way it flew away which you let us go. Oh should've killed yeah. I'm trying not to be rude by living in the middle of you're talking like leaving the town to anyway. That is the end of our show for this week. AAC I anti I think we did a great show. I think we did a great show. I hope that the listeners agree with that and I just want to hone tune in because this is our last show of the month of September. If you again would like to contribute to the relief 'em saint jude a fundraiser helpless just kind of like back on a really really high note. That would be awesome. Saint Jude Dot org slash material is the way to go. We are there. Everybody's there thank you to everybody who participated boy. What a week Andy. What do you have coming up. Are you going to be on the radio. This week are going to be on the radio for the twenty first birthday of Google unfortunately not I guess I was Gonna like my my my birthday gift to twenty first birthday gift to Google. White was hoping to do it like on the day. I'll I'll give it to you early. there's there's a rhyming rhyming slang or rhyming scheme to remember most most important things in your future life. Google beer then liquor never sicker liquor. Then beer never fear but maybe even more important than that. I know that Lifton Uber over our competitors business competitors that you're trying to quash the bugs you feel they are but if you do drink call cow call a car. That's what they're therefore. Come technically has all that money from Google right so good or are you one of them self driving cars but not the worst for you you have any ability to interfere with. Dr Whatsoever Yeah so that would be the Chrysler vans which by the way I've become very popular minivans amongst the full of children children. No one else say that I can think of any other for Nacuer parents anti-working people find you on the Internet as usual spell my last name is ah NATO Ko visit me on twitter or instagram or on my website and not go dot com. Unfortunately you'll be seeing lots of pictures for the next week or two from the iphone six six. 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Creating Organizational Hiring Criteria - Part 3

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Creating Organizational Hiring Criteria - Part 3

"Welcome to manager tools. Rating organizational hiring criteria heart three. This cast answer these questions. How can I shake my organizations hiring strategy? How, do I decide what questions to ask the candidate? How do I connect? My organization needs with our hiring process, what you want answers to these questions more. Listening here we go. Some of US learn by watching and some of us by reading that's why the effective manager and the effect of Harmon Jake. Cyst. In book form, if you prefer to read dog pages and make notes, you can purchase an abbot or humpback book version. If you'll the listening type by books are available as audiobooks to now how you prefer professional and you can be a more effective manager and hired better quality generics finding Nemo by going to manage tools, dot com, and look for products in the menu. Well. Welcome folks. If you haven't listened to her first two parts, I would suggest you do. So before going on this one will make a lot more sense and we've already talked about kind of the. Organization hiring criteria and we had four parts we talked about decide you're looking for We've talked about deciding what questions we'll get answers to expose those things you're looking for. And now we're GonNa talk about I. Think it's really the the key part here. Well, it is. But nobody knows about it and nobody does it. And in the last pieces, capturing communicating, which everybody here's where there's a lot of power, right this can really distinguish you from everybody else that interviews and that's decide what answers will show evidence of it ahead of time. Yeah, and to me, this is a problem for so many of us because of this ongoing belief among so many managers I I wouldn't be surprised side seventy, five, eighty, five percent I mean, in fact, I would even say anecdotally, I'm not sure I meet one out of one hundred managers who doesn't feel this way that there are other managers who know what they're doing. Not only that they're good at it, but they know what they're supposed to be doing and they're doing it. Some of that is a belief that everybody else has equanimity and you don't. But it goes further. Some people believe that that manager because she looks fairly common. So on that she not only knows what she's supposed to be doing that she's been taught the right way but that she feels good about it and she has no worries at all that she's not doing it the right way. Well, look if you're a manager and you live your life with with these thoughts in your head. You know I. I used to get angry about it now. I realize if you're walking around thinking about everybody else you you start to believe that the have the right answer they they know him oh her yeah. He knows I'm the one that doesn't. Right even worse they believe some people are born with it right? Yeah, I don't think this is a pure case of imposter syndrome which I really love the the psychologists idea that I've achieved this level, but I really don't deserve it. I think we call that insecurity opposes some syndrome that will have a spectrum and so on. But. It wouldn't shock me that a manager who thought those thoughts would start being hesitant to implement. His or her new initiative. Allah. Willow. Not Guessing his own finger or thumb in the movie willow. And so you end up with people who are reasonably smart. Were they to Choose to do something different and say, no, no, that's not the way I. DO I do it this way. They would get great results, but we talk ourselves out of it, and now I, will also say this in the case of deciding about the answers you're going to get two questions. It's a slightly different situation because there's at least a majority of managers who do not. Even. Think that the purpose of creating questions is to also create. A template an idea, a framework for evaluating answers right but think about it. If you think about interviewing as a as a sort of an interesting form of task, what teacher gives a test without some framework even even if you're in you know. Modern literature right. There's still some framework that the professor uses to great. Value at the answer. Yeah. So so look. What we've done is we've said, okay, here are the things I'm looking for. Hey. Now I didn't really say it this way, but but you know those are ideas. Things like mission I people always or the other one I uses Hewitt's great ones swans smarts work hard ambitious. Nice. And by by the way folks if you don't have something in there about Nice. It's going by chip and you need to prepare people for that if you don't have something in there and you can use a long fancy politically correct word if you want but. If. You don't have in your principles. Results and you don't have in your principles niceness of some form. That's probably I think that's a word but. There's probably a better one. Don't be surprised when you don't get it. so you decide on those ideas and by the way, a lot of people think that's fun. Let's talk about the kind of person we want. Although we certainly not going to create personas, we don't want that. the then it makes sense people. Okay. Let's come up with questions. The reason why the questions are important is when you think about the process of choosing who who gets in and who doesn't. Questions are your ultimate tools. They're like the screwdriver in the hammer and the and the pliers in your toolbox. They're absolutely if you look at the process, the screening matters. Everything matters but but at some point, you're ask questions and by the very definition questions imply answers and the purpose of the question. Let's be clear. The purpose of the question is not in the question, the purpose of the question is in the answer. Questions are about eliciting answers. It's answers we need to evaluate but because. Managers are a lot of us were never taught. This is how you do it. This is how it works I mean it wouldn't be hard. It's a week long class that every company ought to be teaching their manager all with their own flavor here the rules. In fact, Mike you and I should create, we should put it all together and say, by the way we'll come and do this for a group new managers at years years ago I did it at a huge company. I. Was responsible for all what amounted new manager orientation we called it Nemo. And every person who got promoted went through new manager orientation. Here are the rules. Here are the things you can do here things you can't do that was a legal person that came in HR person that came, and then we talked basic man and stuff. But nobody gets that doesn't doesn't exist almost anywhere. If it does exist where you are folks feel free to write in and tell us about it. We'd love to hear about it it used to. Used to yeah, we didn't use to widely. Yeah Yeah. So, what you're supposed to do when you start thinking about interviewing I, mean most managers don't understand that the only reason you quite crack create questions is to create criteria against which to answer the questions. It's about the answer it's not about the questions. But if you don't know any questions to ask other than ones you have been asked good and bad, there's a whole spectrum. If you go through ten different interviews, you get the full spectrum you get really good and you get crap. And most people are. Pretty, well Able to tell the pretty good from the not so good in the horrible. Also, a good example of most of us is lack of ability to understand questions and answers. There are people out there in the world. The believe there are such things as illegal questions, I caveat this by saying there are municipalities the United States who've been stupid enough to say asking the question is illegal, which is just morally offensive but. There are no illegal questions. If, somebody asks you a question that appears to be discriminatory as our guidance says and rituals. You should answer it, and then by the way you should decide that any company that ask questions like that. You wouldn't want to go to work for and if you feel so inclined, you should say something to somebody about it but the question itself is not illegal using the answer to the question. To discriminate in hiring on the basis of protected classes and various of the things. Is Illegal. So it is not the question it is the use of the answer that is. Objectionable problematic disgusting. And if your manager that think that's appropriate stop listening right now. Yeah So my point is if you're not. Knowledgeable about interviewing first of all, it's okay and your company hasn't trained you and you know what? That's okay too. It's not gonNA happen overnight. The next thing though is if you don't know how to interview the things, you Glam onto are the questions I know I did years ago. And then after you've done five hundred interviews you discover it's not the question that matter it's the answers and so. When we talk about questions, last time developing questions and simple behavioral interview questions and so on. We were touching on what everybody knows is important but The Eagle Song everybody knows is basically trying to tell you that now everybody doesn't know because really what's important is the answers. Now creating. Criteria, frameworks boundary conditions for the answers you're looking for is the hardest step in all of this and frankly. I would argue for many of you particularly if I go back to my point about the managers out there who believe that everybody else knows What they're doing except you trust me dude, it's not true. You're doing fine. And they're not all knowing all seeing. Could leave this step out. I know sometimes, our guidance seems overwhelming. We make it fairly straightforward in terms of the steps you need to take, and we don't think you to take that much time. But if you wanted to simply be clear about whom you're looking for and the then create questions that you think will elicit answers that will show you some things in that area and then trust your people and then last capturing the results you'd be totally fine with me Okay and you may WanNa do it after six months okay. Six months we've been doing crushes. We've been doing we identified our guys and Gals. We we We got good questions. Now let's have some raw material in the form of answers which answers listen carefully which answers. Really shown through I like this guy's answer I like that guy censored but let's go a step further. Do we believe that that answer gave us information which was justified relative to the decision in other words for those people that we thought met our criteria for to be a swan, for instance again, tip of the hat to Hewitt. Then are they now here and are they now swans? Right in other words it's one thing to have question answer and and and to be able to answers. But if you evaluated an answer, is this this young lady is absolutely. And Someday I'll work for her and then six months to year later. She didn't work out so well, okay that you know we need some adjustment in the exactly how do we prevent this in the future? Yeah. In fact, our friend John based in did that very thing and I told him I weighed delayed on getting back to him I told him I'd really like to do either. Along. Foreign podcast. Where we talk about the process, he went through for his organization to determine. Okay. How how good are we picking people? Because we have data and this is another case where I bump up against hr because. Mike Love Me Sane this because I always I. I'm a stupid non-debt guy. I'm like. Do we have the date do we have the data and Michael? Like. Okay. Can I see? Well, it's insistent. We can't. You know we have to write. SQL queries and everything. So it will take a while while the problem in organizations is not sql queries the problem that organisation's hr they say, well, no, you'd have to I mean that would require VP's approval for you to be able to look at all the data we have on hiring and I'll tell you one of the reasons why that. So one of the big things that in a big organization hr is the HR people the recruiters. They're they're measured on time between contact and higher. Unfortunately that might be of benefit to you but you wonder how many other measures there are, and another thing they're measured on is. Offers to acceptances but I don't know that many organizations that are measured on. Acceptances, versus performance. and to me that makes. The Art of hiring really more A. which leaves a lot of out of it and it also makes it transactional. But folks if you're a manager, you don't want hiring to be transactional. WHY HR particularly if they're giving those measures. Would want to push people through and make the decision and so on. And I'm not saying there are many many great organizations, fantastic hr organizations that are completely partnered and I kiss your feet for it because you're rare and your wonderful and we love you. But too many HR organization see that as a transaction but you're the one that's left holding the bag. And in too many cases. It gets close to the line from margin call the most odious bag of excrement. I, think is the line by Jeremy Irons. So. Again, if you want to pause and not do this stop and simply agree on who you're looking for and agree on the kinds of questions that you think will elicit those kinds of answers and then communicate to everyone so that everyone understands. It's okay. You know I've done this for clients. This process we're talking about it talking about it at the Thirty Thousand Foot level here folks. But I've done this before and people said, now we're not going to do that and I said, well, look why don't they come back six months and I'll gather up everything and I'll go through it and I'll tell you. And unfortunately in a couple of cases I had come back in six months and discover that Oh, about fifty percent of our managers take notes in their interviews. They said, they asked me like what what should we shooting for for the percentage of banners? Take notes on that I'll forget this. What you should be shooting for is the managers who don't take notes. Like what do you mean? You're talking about shooting you now. Now you. You can't do. You can't conduct an interview without taking notes. You are not that person you're not. Okay and again, if you wait you, you get some raw data to be able to compare good answers to bat answers based on whom we've hired who knew chosen not. Okay. So, let's give an example regarding communication. Someone who says in an interview well, regarding communication this is a question regarding communication. Well, I, talked to everyone and I keep everyone updated. That isn't enough to qualify as strong communicator, but a UN prepared interviewer might think it is and and they would say, yes, she qualifies as a good communicator proactive communicator and assertive communicator whatever your company size and then you discover gee, we created this person is good but then she comes in here and everybody complains all the time that she just does not communicate. K. So it takes them tuning someone who says I sent lots of e mail updates. Maybe showing I use the term may loosely to imply. Gosh? Is it true? Maybe showing a communication weakness. By not realizing the different media mean different things and are called for in different measures in different circumstances and with different recipients. Holy Moly. That's the thing about email everybody who doesn't WanNa work hard on communication because they're not naturally people person. So I'm not saying you're you're anti-people folks if you're if you're a D. or a C. and you're on the left side of the circle, you tend to be more task and more logical in your factual rational. You're not into warm. Hugs right you're not an Olaf Fan. Everybody's an old fan what am I saying in the high seas don't even know who? They do no. No. He's the snowman in frozen. Oh you don't know. Now now, I know what you're talking about but then again, I don't remember names right because I'm a high. Nothing check isn't that what you said Snowman. Now, he know his position in the movie. Yeah I mean I mean as a transformative character what are the grades? Disney characters of all time. Do. Don't say like that I mean it's known it's a factual. I can prove it. So, okay. Some people. Are Not, communicators and the high decent high-seas often are that way. Di Di says, I'll communicate my opinion when I want to force it down your throat and the high said, why would I have communicate? I know everything I need to know. But the problem with that is, is that when it comes to email in today's world. If communication is not important to you, then you want to minimize its impact on you and the best way to minimize the impact of actual communication, which by the way is, but the listener does. Use email. I mean literally, as I said, a thousand times ingest before high-seas invented the Internet primarily to build a backbone for email so they wouldn't have to talk to people now. Is it possible that a person who says I send email updates? All the time actually is a good communicator definitely. So you'd have to put that together with other things. But when I hear that I love email I, immediately assumed this person is not a good communicator and then they may prove me wrong and they may say and I love it because it's a synchronous and I can do a lot of communicating and today and I know who prefers not to have email I attacks who prefers a phone call and so on. Okay. After. Ten to twenty to thirty interviews, you'll have a good bit of evidence of what candidates say hopefully, you have nodes. And in fact, one way to do that is if you're not GonNa do this step where you're you're giving guidance about the quality of an interview answer things to look for words. They said, if you're not going to do that, then you might want to consider upping the strength of the interview results capture meeting into include, for instance of Mike My boss and I always wanted the interviewers I would say Mike I recommend we hire this person Cassie for instance. Strong recommendation. Here are the four behaviors that you asked me to look at I found her exceptional in each. Here's an example of a behavior and example of behavior and example behavior, and then you could even ask a fifth one which is. Elements around the culture or you could do it a little bit differently and you could modify the. It's actually not a modification, but you could strengthen your guidance on the cultural fit portion, which is already in there by the way in the interview results capture meeting and say I'll be expecting many more comments about cultural fit in the next six months so that we can be developing some frameworks, some boundary conditions for how we're going to evaluate. Answers against the. Swan. Whatever but whatever criteria you want to apply And something else. I like saying every once in a while to people yes we have podcast on what to do if one of your direct says body odor but all the stuff is built on principles theories that are well established and axioms, truths, and so on and a great example is the way the interview results capture meeting works with behavioral interviews which works with our. Interview, creation tool, and speaking of the interview creation tool. If you've ever used it, you know something. The interview creation tool is proof that. We didn't talk about it much because we thought it was a bridge too far for many years or we thought it would muddy the waters but the purpose of questions to Lissette answers and it's the answers that make or break things and so therefore in the interview. Creation tool if we ask a question, we give you the criteria for good and bad answers. If, not realized that before you can look at it with new eyes the next time you see it and say, Hey, look. There's things I can be listening for that will help me make a decision about that particular. Yeah, and we've had a lot of new licensees lately. Thank you very much for supporting us. and. If you haven't tried tried out the interview creation to even if you're not interviewing now, go try it learn a little bit about what a good interview looks like. Can you you'll be surprised in fact like if I may typically we do a pre roll ad and amid rural add just because of some timing and some recording. And if you're wondering about our ads folks, you think well, I don't hear any ads that's because we only do ads for ourselves. We don't take their party ads we tried that and hated it. About I insert what amounts to an advertisement now but it will maybe not come across that way. Okay and and make a case for licensing folks. If you don't know when we started manager tools, Mike and I the goal. It was Mike's idea to do the podcast I said, sure what's podcast? You said, yes that's I. Yes. Great. What is it? And actually Mike's Mike's Analysis of that is one of the ten or fifteen most important ideas that have framed what manager tools has meant to. So many of you in that, we had been trying to do some things on the web but I kept complaining. As high is or want to do because writing on the web answering questions on the web is just really really hard and by the way I was running my own company at the time. And and Mike, figured out I'm really good talking to you about management and so the the medium met the message at podcast. But. But you should know the idea behind the podcast was that after fifteen years of running my own company and traveling around to various clients all over the world including Mike as a client. I didn't love that life. I liked it a lot but there were parts of it. I didn't love being away home. And so. We decided at one of the problems is the only way you could get guidance like this. Before the podcast was you had to work at a company that could afford US and consulting firms aren't cheap. We weren't expensive like McKinsey or BC G you're. Or being, but we weren't cheap either and it's hard to get noticed I mean, even if you're within the reach of amid a small company, there are not natural advertising vehicles and advertising expensive and we've always been I I was I was before Mike was before we are now more so together. Frugal when it comes to expenses if you don't spend it, you don't have to make it. So. When we had. Corporate clients. We were focused on the organization, but we told them look just WanNa be clear to you. You're the customer, but the road to your, what you want is through these individual managers, all of our guidance is for individual managers. Yes we have a package around it because you're the one that has to buy it but but let's be clear unless you tell us you're going to measure based on organizational outcomes and we have some input on out and so on. The thing you've got measure as behavior change among managers, and if you don't believe behavior change among managers will lead to organizational outcome change, you ought not to be spending organizational dollars on doing this right unless you think it's just a retention move move I want I want my folks to feel like we've trained them. So, our guidance, the trinity and a bunch more was for individual managers and Mike and I saw the potential that we ought to give this to individual managers. We really didn't want. Corporate. Although thank you, elden shaffer for the hundredth time. Nor did we really think we were GONNA do conferences public conferences actually it was finally when Mike said, we need to make more money. I said, okay, we'll do a conference and I. wrote out the agenda I think at Your House Mike on a couple of pieces of paper in about three minutes. I said, we could do that do that. Yeah. We can make a thousand dollars doing that, and that was the beginning of the conference business. I'M Exactly. So my point in this long winded story is to tell you that if you're an individual listener, you are the heart of the manager tools community. And the product we intended most to be tailored to you is our our licenses. You should know that because of Covid, two thirds of our business model has been destroyed right and we're down to a third and a third. That's important right now. Is Our licenses. For Two hundred dollars a year. You get access to all of our show notes. Now they are available online you have to log in in order to look at them. That's for some Pe- protections that we have been dealing with for the last fifteen years because that's pretty good and people like steal it. But We want you to become a licensee and because we just had our fifteenth anniversary here in two thousand twenty if you become a licensee now you not only get the license gives you access to roadmap in the APP which gives you and on the web and it gives you access to all the show notes. You also get are interviewing series, which is I think over fifty or sixty podcast. Now, that will tell you everything you need to know chapter and verse beyond belief. About, how to be interviewed and in the next five years between twenty twenty and twenty five, there's going to be a lot of froth in the hiring market in the talent market. And it's actually kind of good to have the interview creation tool, which is also part of your license and interviewing series so that you can learn how to play both sides of the game, which why wouldn't you that would make you better on both sides of the game? So, if you're not already licensee and if your listener now it'd be a good time for you to become a licensee. It's two hundred bucks. It's for all year and we guarantee you'll be satisfied or you get your money back. No questions asked. None. Now, we gotta go to the last step, right? Yeah. Son For people to take no and. You gotta you gotTa share the results you gotTa talk about it gotta you gotTa. Make a decision. So he's gotTa make a decision. Horsemen's law of organizational communications, save something seven times, and half of your people will tell you they've heard it once. The reverse of that is true. We call it the green. Tales. Story. If one person tells you, you have a green tail, they're an idiot. When two people tell you have a green tail? It's a conspiracy when seven people tell you you have a green tail, you turn around and look. You have got folks that and I started out this cast talking about the importance of executive that this is really one of those bridge cast between managers and executives, and it will go in executive tools. But this capturing of your results and communicating those results and marketing those results internally don't go too far on that. You don't need glossy stuff. This step so many junior executives forget I I talked about this the other day and our conference call Mike about the difference between choosing and deciding executives don't get to choose. You don't get to say I want a and not be. That's not enough. That's not a decision in the professional world. A decision is a choice and a plan for implementation. And executives are not people who sit around making choices this that that this? No. This not that let's go back and so on. That's not the executive life guys executives choose and then create plans for implementation, and then also learn to deal with compromise. You don't just get to sit around choosing which by the way you'd get bad at after a while because implementation learning about implementation makes you a better chooser, which therefore makes you a better decider deciding including the implementing. But people just forget it and I see managers forget it. They make a decision and they communicate they don't push. They don't push don't push they don't remind don't remind and remind and you know how much you'll know. How? How much it takes? How much communication it takes How many reminders, how many pushes how many fresh mentions and so on of an idea until your people tell you, they're sick of it. That's the only way you know enough boss enough we've heard we know, and then they repeat your your your slogan with a little bit of little to it. Yeah. Seven BEEP DAB in La La la. La. Okay. Good. You got it. Okay. Now, I'll move on to something else because change happens fast. So communication. Or put differently. It's not enough to have the idea guys. Enough. To create strategies not enough create the prince's not enough. Crete questions. Communication and measurement. Of results. Of stuff like this, communicating it so that people will do it and then protecting capturing and protecting the results, analyzing them and so on. That's what makes things like this actually work. K. Too. Often we get glossy stuff from somebody's sitting on a throne somewhere saying look at the decision I made. And we don't care if your hands aren't getting dirty Bob with you're not really into it. You're not part of the solution you're part of the. I Dunno, the autocracy, the the self-appointed autocracy. If you don't follow up with communications if you don't create measures, you don't create reporting your your effort will gradually fade into the background and you will be one of those people that will be aiding and abetting the flavor of the month crowd in your organization you try but it didn't really work and so. I was actually kind of a good idea. I'd like to learn a little bit more about what? The. Vp what she's thinking about what we WanNa do and then and then yeah nothing really came of it. Then suddenly that four or five times and the next time they say we know. That boy cries wolf all the time and they really excited about getting up in front during a raw raw speech townhall. But none of this stuff ever comes to fruition and a real specific way. So Yeah No, we're not all in on that. No results right all fire no result we'll do. We'll do compliance but yeah. Yeah. But not not commitment. You don't glossy stuff. Yeah. Maybe you can afford it and the communications office loves doing it. I will tell you I've been in many of those meetings were doing an initiative for a big company and the communications office says you know would sound better if you said this yes. But that's not the idea. And they say but yeah, you know this is kind of boring I said I. You know I would say a much to the Chagrin sometime of my executive clients. That, you really don't know what you're talking about, and you can't change the idea just to make it more palatable because that makes it not the. And then I'd say something like I thought you were supposed to take our ideas and make them sing and dance. And not change the idea is that not your job my boss would just rose is like dude, don't piss them off we need them. So. But on the other hand, you do need some coverage of this initiative in your all hands in your town halls and your one on ones and you know I'm amazed at how many managers I tell them. You can use one on ones for reinforcement. Now, look as a general rule if you want waterfall something if Mike my boss. And and Kate works for me. Mike. Could use his one on one with me to tell about something and then I would then probably tell kate about that. Now, that's an inefficient way to do things because Mike as in this scenario other direction, he has to tell each one of them. We all ended up asking the same questions and it takes way way longer to get the message everybody. It's better to communicate in a staff meeting. It's better to do that in a town hall it's. Better to do that in an all hands, it's better. Do that at a stand up for instance okay. We have multiple people and you only have to share at one time in everybody. Here's everybody else's questions but that doesn't mean you can't use it. You can't use one on ones and when I tell people this their surprise if you're gonNA use a one on one to do that and let's say you're five layers up from the bottom of the organization. Mike can tell me okay. Mark I want I wanNA share something with you about where we're headed on this thing. The Swan Project or whatever, and then he would say and I expect you to cover this in addition to what I'm going to cover in the staff meeting and what I will reinforce again in the town hall coming up in about a month. and. I'M GONNA make it a standard part. Of My office hours discussion. If somebody pins me and says, Hey, got him in it. Because I've told him between two and two thirty today I've got office hours. You can't come by because it covert, but you can you can. Just, join my zoom room and I the the meeting room the waiting room will be turned off so you can come in. If you see somebody already in their go away until we're done and I will end my conversation with them by saying Hey, by the way reminder, we're doing this new thing Lila. Okay. And for the record guy's if you've not seen it if you're surprised. At the multifaceted, very pronged variable pronged approach to this that goes back to say something seven times and in different ways and half people say they heard it once and we have a podcast from ten twelve fourteen years ago. Out of which came something called a sample communications plan that if you've not seen that document, which is available. Now to be clear, you have to sign up for an account, but it's free and you can download it most people when they see that communications for the first time they are literally like Oh my gosh and then what they actually mean under their voices I've been doing it wrong. And full disclosure when I saw that for the first time I thought Oh my gosh, this is another level. It's so good. It's so smart. It's it's intuitively obvious to even the most casual of observers. Okay Now Look I'm not saying the head slogans I'm not saying that the communications shop can't make sound. Cool. They do that all the time but what really? Matters is measures and reporting. And we had a discussion about this in the conference. Speaker series about the difference measures and reporting I mean if a measure isn't reported, you might as well not be measuring because by definition measures take time. Don't assume that the query that runs automatically every night in since an email to people. You might say that doesn't take any time actually did to create it. But okay, we have a separate conversation about that once it's running automatically. But the next thing I'll say if you send me an email that takes me time and I have to look at it. And I have to think about it, and then I probably have to talk to somebody else about it, and the time just adds up and eats into things. If we're talking about hiring and that's what we're talking about here you've got to communicate the results to and you've got train new managers how you probably have to train existing managers. You can't just send out new interview creation tool sheets. You probably have to train your direct. It's five or ten minute conversation. Look. If I'm Mike Number two and Mike has had this initiative for mandatory with thousand employees. He might employees might turn to me and say, Mark I want you to do a fifteen minute bid on the upgrades that we've made new questions we've created the new criteria we created for those crushing and we'll start with. When I turn it over to you you'll. You'll say, okay, we're GONNA talk about how this is going to be implemented, but I mark turn it back to me so I can tell them about swan okay, and then I'll say, okay, that's the key thing I want you. That's the idea I want you to have in your head and I'm GonNa give it back to Mike and Mike is going to tell you what we're actually going to do about that how we can implement how interviews are going to change how interviews let's capture meetings interchange where you can find these new interview. Creation tool templates. So you can get rid of your old ones and download these new ones and so on. That's implementation bats executive life. You might think that's manager life it is sometimes, but it's also executive life. It is not enough to come up with the idea you must push the idea through the organization and the analogy I have for you about pushing is CICIS. K. So start pushing and don't be surprised if it doesn't feel great 'cause there's not supposed to. SISYPHEAN. Thing. When you said well, that's motivational. Think that is what you gotta do but that's reality it's not motivational right but let's be clear when people say well, it should be clear mountain streams flowing through. Lovely. Now it, CICIS. You're supposed to welcome management in the mock. It is. Excitement going to politics. There you go. Alec is this is more work. But. You know in the long run maybe not now maybe this maybe maybe you're not ready to do this yet put it in your back pocket. Wait until you get a promotion. In the long run you have to insist on it to combat the intraparty inside your organization because everything's always decaying I say that all the time. If we don't remind our organizations what our principles are. At some point, the principles are forgotten. And you don't realize hire somebody, and then you hire somebody else and you tell those two people and then and then one of them leaves and one of them gets promoted to another department and suddenly the New People. Don't hear the creation myth I hate that phrase we don't have a creation myth. We actually have a story. That's true. Everybody else has creationist, but you have to tell these stories you have to educate people that's the week long management course. If. You don't push if you don't force it and by that I mean professionally force. Then all you did was create a program. And it's not really what you intended to do, which was a strategic change in the quality of people they're going to populate lead Jordan Ization. That long winded on this topic I love this topic Oh it's it's powerful right I mean there's there's some stuff to do here. But if you WANNA change going your organization for the long term, this is the way to do it get great people and and it's easy to say get great people. How do you go about doing it This is how you do it. Yeah and I'll say if you're an executive and you want help with this reach out, send me email. Let's talk about how I can help I'm happy to do it. We've helped a few people with this over the years. Yeah. So look guy summarizing structured standardize interviews. Are. The core, the bedrock of quality hiring. But if you're GONNA drive those principles into everyday practice which you should want to do. It really does when you get down to it take there's an important step that happens sorta step zero, which is what kind of people do we want It takes figuring out what questions to ask and what to look for an answer. And then you have to communicate it I. Mean. That's this is the life of an executive in ain't sex. But it pays the bills and remember say seven times after people tell you that her two once. There you go. Thanks for nine joy that quite a bit I. I enjoyed that as well, and I got to do an off the cuff ad which I there you go. Thanks befriend. Thanks everybody right. We'll see you next week aggregate one so long.

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Delegate, delete, do  How to integrate work, home life

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Delegate, delete, do How to integrate work, home life

"Well come to Mayo, clinic. Dr Helena's Alka thanks for joining us today. During the COVID nineteen pandemic many of us have found ourselves at home and teleworking, and unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an end in sight to this right now. As the physical boundaries between work and home blur what happens to our work life balance. We're lucky today because here to discuss this with us today is the director of integrative, health and wellness at the Mayo Clinic in Florida Dr Adam Perlman. Thanks for being here today at him. My pleasure. Many. People are working from home now and it feels like we're living at work. Sometimes, why is work life balance important? Let me say something a little controversial. I'm going to say work life balance. Is Not important, but work life integration is A. Little bit tongue in Cheek I. Think it's been out there now in the literature, this concept of work life integration, and that's always resonated a little bit more with me and part of the argument is that balance implies this sort of fifty fifty. And even prior to this moment you know most of us. Were typically working fifty percent of the time and then have being with our family, our home lives fifty percent of the time. Increasingly prior to this moment, there was this integration sometimes. Challenging integration where work would sort of tend to sort of invade our home and private time with consciously being connected to the various devices what have you? I think it's been an interesting moment with so many more people working from home as he commented on. That that's really I think sort of accelerated this concept of work life integration and I would imagine for certain people in negative ways and for some people in very positive ways so. It kind of depends on what your home environment like I would imagine. Aren't you in a relationship with people at home is functional and healthy in or has there been a great deal of friction hiding sort of find that right level of. Needing to maintain your work particularly if you're working from home needing to maintain or wanting to maintain the other relationships in your life and and find that kind of balance. That, we could use this word, but ultimately, it's not a fifty fifty is how do we effectively integrate? And why is it so important to answer your questions because? Of all the things that happened when we don't do that effectively, you know we begin to first and foremost. Sacrifice ourselves, or self care. On that could be everything from taking care of ourselves literally like working out or it could be things like doing those other things that we enjoy. Our hobbies that it may now get. A sort of a second. To. Were kind of constantly invading our home environment. I think the other thing that happens is we sacrifice self care is we can become more burned-out and it can affect not only I think us and we can suffer but I loved one loved ones can suffer as well. I love the turn eased. Integrative Because often I've been asked you know as a mom and as a wife well, do you have work life balance and and how do you maintain that have often thought not really I'm work goes home with me at night I'm married to another physician busy we have a lot of a responsibilities. Of Work Related to work. So I like that term I think that's very useful. What tips do you have then for how people can separate their work time personal time and I've heard different things it's funny. Even yesterday from two different patients one described how really nice because her husband hasn't been traveling. Right. But then she also described that she works from home typically and she's not used to having to sort of balance kind of her work during the day with her husband being around in them talking and being in relationship, and one of the things that she described that I think is really important is is to create space potentially if we are working from home, right, I mean create space. She was only talking about she has her office space that she really tries to sort of designate for work related activities, and then she wanted to start to do a little more meditation in her case and but she didn't do it in the office. So she was looking to create a separate space as she can literally physically. Keep a difference, a distance between sort of what is work related in his what is more around her and her home life. Any one of the things that is critically important in this moment. In at anytime, but is to really be able to keep a routine. So again it's. It's you know whereas. You might have gotten up in the morning maybe went to the gym I saying and showered and went to work, and it's easy. Now you get up and you start working. And so how do we create a routine the that'll egg that allows us to know. So when we're begins when we can sort of integrate activities reporting to us and find that right sort of mix and right integration of all that we want to do in our home and personal lives as well as our workplace through the routine can be really critical to that. I want to have one of the thing into because I learned this initially from an executive coach number of years ago when I found. Really helpful. It's kind of a little bit reworked here to this concept of what I now call delegate delete do and I found really helpful when I and talking with friends colleagues sometimes patients. And their describing know feeling overwhelmed. which is a common I think experience even well prior to all of it's going on now with Kobe nineteen. What do we do with that and and this idea of delegate delete do I found very helpful it's simple but it's really in that moment. First of all, we need to be used the word mindful but we need to be sort of present sort of sake, what are we feeling feeling anxious feeling overwhelmed could all the stuff to do at home and work I'm never leaving? What can I do about that? If we can stop in the moment and kind of take an inventory of all that we have on our plate often we find there are things that we could delegate. Those could be work related things could be things at home. It could be the boy I need to get food shopping gun maybe my significant other is wrong to do that for me. So I can get this other pastime sometimes it's at work and his things that we may be don't need to do, and of course, often if it can be a win win meaning. So I was working on a presentation and I'm looking at literature reviewing that I'm trying to do and I realized that my my assistant who wants to go to medical school eventually I could delegate some of that and he actually really enjoy kind of looking at doing this literature review and getting engaged so. That's one thing I think the League is also one where sometimes when we look at that list, simply keeping things on the list build anxiety for us and sometimes we can say, all right let's just take that off the wrestling. Let's think about it now and can always bring it back later young piece to delete, which may be created a fourth thing. That I really like sort of a just the time line I think it's not because it's not three Ds easy to easier to say delegate deleted do but the adjusted time line again can be really important. An example from right now is have a book chapter do and you know I I had a bunch of things going on and as I looked at all the things I, right? No the is probably going to be fine if I get a little more time due date. So I emailed the editor it was due July first they said that's fine. You WanNa take August first. So that sort of took that off. Off The priority list temporarily allowed me to do other things and of course that all relates to the final one, which is do which is really understanding what is it that I really have to on now? And that can be tricky a working from home because there's a number of other distractions going on and so this idea of looking at that list and saying, right no matter what's going on? Let me get these one or two things done first thing. That can be very helpful strategy to help, manage, overwhelm, and allow better integration of our work and relax I like delegates delete and do I am happy to say that I have permanently delegated all rotary shopping and cooking to my husband Can Do you have any suggestions for us from for disconnecting from our devices. I feel like even though you might be at home. Now the expectation is that we're available either by text or by email almost you know full-time even when we're not in the office you know it's interesting to be someone who has some expertise in this area talk a lot lecture lot on it and write about it and None of perfect. So I would imagine if my wife and children I have five children actually seventeen to twenty seven. So I've had plenty of practice with work life integration in these sorts of things and If they hear this they will probably say to you that I check my phone way too much Again I think we all need to find the Latinos that work for us in a funny way I actually find. Some ways more settling to keep up with some of my emails, but try to do that in a more disciplined way. So it's not just HAP hazard, but you know you want to check it once an hour or whatever the case may be. Now it's interesting when they studied least Americans, we tend to check our phones on average more than eighty times a day right in there are ways now go with the with the new iphones and I'm sure the other phones do it as well with track comics screen time. So that's one way to get a sense and build more awareness. But how do we disconnect? Teen is important. You know sort of saying all right. I have the phone on me all the time or it's around me all the time. Can I set a routine where I'm not constantly looking at emails text messages would have you. Turn off notifications. Certain Times through during the day again I I think it was a study that show we have something around sixty five notifications from those people on average with phone is sort of telling you do this or see this or whatever it may be in. So that's another way to kind of help us to stay disconnected and then literally I mean again. Physically, removing the phone or putting it someplace where it's just not so tempting it was the study that came out on say maybe last year it looked at willpower wasn't related to cellphone specifically, but I found it very, very interesting and it was sort of like. Trying to figure out, you know these people that are able to have all this willpower. Are Able to go to the gym every morning or they don't hit the snooze button whatever the case may be or anybody follower a diet, and what is it about them? And what was interesting was it turned out that it wasn't so much that they had willpower. Less temptation. and that again, really resonate with me and I'll try to use an example so. I do get up and go to the gym in the morning right? That's you know that's our workout typically and when the gym's open. And I am not tempted typically to hit snooze by now I'll tell you just from me if I hit the snooze button I typically when I've tried it, I don't fall back asleep and I sit there going I really should go to the gym and so I don't get the reward of another hour of wonderful sleep. So I feel rested so that temptation isn't there. Now what the authors were saying was if you are tempted by something like that, then one strategy is Mufi. Alarm clock to the other side of the room. So make it less easy to just hit snooze button and I would say the same thing about sort of our devices you know I mean if you just can't keep yourself from checking that cell phone constantly and come up with a system where maybe yes, you can still hear the emergency phone call or whatever it may be because we can all make these excuses about why we always have to have it with US twenty, four seven. Come up with a system where it somewhat more difficult for you to just kind of habitually reach it and and shut that device put on top sh L. putting somewhere where it's a little bit less convenient i. think that could be a way to that can be helpful I. think another sort of golden rule that I have broken on more than one occasion is is to really not work from bed You know again, these are things out there in the literature that. Sometimes they're easier or not so easy for some of US stamp lament but not checking your email. The first thing you wake up in the morning with that device But. Again, as I've said, the beginning to we only define what works for US writing continue the evaluate. What's working in an and as we try to live our best lives, you know that the covid nineteen pandemic has complicated things even more because people are working from home, but we're also supposed to social distance, and so it's it's more difficult for people to stay connected to their loved ones in their friends and do you have any suggestions during this time when we're distancing for for that, you know I actually am interested in how we can. Enhance the experience of connecting you know using technology i. think it can never replace face to face connection. But we've even done some things clinically where like we we hear male have Integrative program. Have a limited as mind body stress consultation, nine body consultations, and Interestingly. At her request we've moved almost all of her interactions to virtual because she doesn't mind seeing people in person, but she really can't read people's faces when they're wearing mass. So it's been so hard for her to interact. But at least of course, with the camera, you can take the mask off and she gets a better sense of. How they're responding to the kind of things that you know if she's talking about with them, the kind of things that she offering. So you know I think it is limited. When we have to wear these masks and whatnot but I think we need to do the best we can in this moment, would I've tried to focus on and encouraging others to do is is more frequent touch points in a brief calls maybe using face time doing things like this helping relatives may be less comfortable with this kind of technology to get more comfortable with So that you can actually see people in addition to voice. Making, really setting an intention to connect frequently, and one of the things that I found can be helpful. Is To? The intention of connecting with friends and family to other habits or other things in our day committee reminders so Just, again, use an example as I said, I have five children were with me all up until just A few days ago and was to boyfriends. We had nine one point. So A. Little crazy but a lot of fun. and. We're now down on pretty much empty nesters. So it's quite a big shift and prior to Cova though I was already implementing this thing where I got. You know I want to Stay in touch with my folks Mike My. Children. So I connected sort of calling someone with my ride home. You know have about a fifteen minute ride home which just sort of now if I needed to I could have put a little slip reminder in my car to say call somebody. But I, pretty much kinda remember. Now when I get in the car, just you know take those ten minutes or so rotate through the kids give your folks a call. You know those kind of things as one of the things that I've done. 'cause I call people at other times but I'm just kind of making the point that sometimes we can connect sort of habits as a way to to sort of. make sure that we're implementing goes things that we want to do in our lives and certainly staying connected is so important. You know I one of the things, I. Often like to Talk about because it just. Kind of blows me away is the idea of loneliness and of course, loneliness as become a real problem for many people I was it was really an epidemic prior coded nineteen with about forty percent of Americans. Feeling lonely on a fairly regular basis and loneliness. This is what blows me away loneliness is equivalent to smoking. Cigarettes Day. As it relates to your health and and so you know it was problem prior it's a real problem now and I think we need to do our best to make sure that we in any way possible you know connect with with those around us even if it has to in this moment, be you know a little more reliance on? Technology than we would like I know that I have enjoyed zoom meetings more than the phone meetings where we used to just call in that we would have at mail, and so I thought many times would have very different different experiences with the technology that we have today than this would have been You know thirty years ago or something like that S-. I was amazed by what you said about the stress caused by loneliness twenty twenty has been unbelievably stressful year. For many people so many losses of our typical life, a many people for their jobs have been compromised. And can you tell us a little bit about how stress affects us and how do we best manage it stress potentially effects everything and I think it's important to understand. This difference between sort of an acute stressor that. Kind of treats firefly response that you know is a way that we. Avoid danger of course, and and and really what I think you're referring to, which is really the. The downstream long-term effects of chronic stress which which many people again were experiencing prior to this moment than, of course, this moment as as only amplified. For many many people stressed are experiencing. And you know I, think when we think about stress, we can think about it really from a physical and mental improbably spiritual perspective as well. I think physically. Tom, assorted name your organ system from the brain and most to to the to the heart. To our intestines to our immune system. Even skin I mean all we can be affected by US having elevated levels of stress and and the physiologic sort of effects of that elevated stress, and then of course, emotionally we stress can be to increase tanks and then sort of things that can have their own Implications like disrupted sleep, right which you know we may not be sleeping as well because we're feeling stressed. But then of course now we're dealing also with you know sleep deprivation are sort of the MVP effects of of not getting enough quality sleep, and so it really is all encompassing I. Think it it certainly takes and integrative medicine I would say more holistic or whole person kind approach to really address Lee a stress. Excuse me. Because, it can be so impactful. And I always feel like. I get asked this question a lot that maybe the answer is not rocket science exceed the. Actually, executing at many of us find challenging so. You know the truth is we need to eat eat well and move. You know be physically active We need to make sure that we're doing what we can to get a good night's rest. We WanNa make sure we do what we can to. Connect with others. And stay connected. To the best of our ability. and. I think. One of the key things that can be particularly challenging is learning to better sorta manage our promotions and sort of by extension kind of the way we think one of the things that really. Creates a lot of undue suffering for people is, is this concept called mind wandering? You know we tend to sit there and? You know worry about things that may or may not occur in the future which can lead to a lot of anxiety often fear or we tend to mind wander back things that have happened in the past. That often can more commonly lead to anger feeling upset. About, I don't know an argument we had with A. Friend or spouse or something of that nature you know and and none of those two reality sort of exist anymore right what's what's done is done and what's happened is going to happen and. Again is a friend used to say. To me. Thank you still like this expression, you can never learn enough to affect the outcome right and so. Not that there isn't utility in in in in worrying being concerned in planning. You know it's Cain season. Okay I'm concerned. Let me go do what I need to do, but often we kinda get caught up in this mind one right and so we're we're suffering in that moment and. One of the keys there is to learn to be more present in the moment to recognize when we're doing that this concept of mindfulness comes in because you know it's not that you necessarily meditate but the ability to be more aware of the present moment sort of a realize what we're feeling and sort of how rethinking and kind of. Diffuse that in the moment is is really powerful because often we don't recognize it. We're kind of just doing it and it's it's. It's catastrophes or these other things that we can tend to do so. It was lot of ways to cultivate mindfulness with ability to be more present as a number of APPs out gay are you know they can help people to be more present and again? Probably beyond sort of what we can do during this. Video podcasts but you know many ways again to I'm better dept at recognizing sort of what we're feeling emotionally sort of looking at Howard thinking to to try to reduce some of suffer the we're experiencing I had spoken with one of the psychiatrists here in Rochester prior to Kovin and we've been talking about that there's an ben an incredible increase in the amount of anxiety. Amongst different. You know age groups in the population. Etcetera. but he found was pretty remarkable. Do you have any suggestion when people develop things that comes over them. Is there any suggestion for what they can do in the moment to help with that and get that back under control? Yes, I think it's always important to say during conversations of this nature that. We exist along the continue you know some people describe this wellbeing continual. Physical wellbeing but our our mental wellbeing right and so sometimes in any given moment, certainly any given day or week or what have you? We have times we're feeling kind of stressed out times maybe hopefully were feeling happier less stressed out. Of course it can tip To `nother end of the spectrum where we're feeling prolonged distress, it's really impacting our lives or. Feeling. Even, even account a unable to get out of bed and things of that nature that really should trigger us to speak to a health professional. I. Just WanNa make a comment. There are like the psychiatrist spokane psychologists, others who can. Help and that sort of low threshold for people to seek help directly or go to their primary care doctor who never their primary health providers are. But I think there's also a lot that we can do. And this could be again, we could talk for hours about this. I will describe a technique that can be very helpful to comes out positive psychology. To call it. Magic. Trap, ZAP IT in. So again, it's this concept of in the moment. If we stop for a second, we're all pretty good at identifying what emotion were feeling like feeling angry my feeling scared my feeling. Anxious feeling guilty. What is that emotion? If we then stop say what is what is the fought? That's behind that emotion and often there is dominant sort of thought and belief that's behind that emotion. So You don't let me maybe try to give an example. Had To do this presentation today right this talk with you. Okay. So You know I could ask what you mind coming on Android okay. Sure. I'd be happy to. We'd like to talk about work life balance stress and okay great. Well maybe feeling anxious that I have this coming up. GotTa gotta get. Ready for it. All right can recognize from a why am I feeling anxious? Well. What if? I don't do. Well, what if you ask me questions it I'm I'm not I don't know the answer to. Okay Liz the thought that driving the fear right. I'll make a lot of myself whatever it might be are the anxiety. Will fight challenge that dog will wait a minute. You know the subject matter pretty well, you give lectures all the time on this. If you know talk about rely you write about it. How likely is it? That you're going to be asked a question just kind of go on nine and I have no idea. It's pretty unlikely even if I didn't know the answer not that I had the answer every question. You know first of all, we probably get edited out anyways right and so do I need to be feeling that anxiety in that moment now the same time. To the degree that I have a sense of what's going to be asking, let me make sure if I needed to brush up on a few things. You know double check the percentage of people to insure cell phones or whatever it might be to make sure I didn't give this information. All right. Well, that's prepping. Overly. Anxious about it because really. I should do fine but this interview today because it's something I know very well, and so again, this idea of sort of. Recognizing the emotion. Trying to understand what is the thought behind that, and then challenging that thought to see how valid is and if there is something like GM may be I'm not prepared. Okay. Let me go get prepare otherwise sort of. Letting it go and again. With practice one can become much more adept at implementing in the moment that I would again emphasized that mind from his being able to stop and be aware from moment can be very helpful to that. Can you tell us just briefly about the Department of. Integrative Health and wellness although we have programs on all three of our major campuses, I'm personally based in Florida and. I came here. Over a year and a half ago but to to help develop this program, they're gonNA pilot prior and and so we now have. Several. Acupuncture is we have attrition we have massage therapy. We have mind body medicine is I was describing earlier so that can be all I don't really know how to cultivate mindfulness I can meet with someone now who can work with me and and do things like relaxation techniques filed feedback, and the other thing that I'm particularly excited about is we now have health coaches. That can work with people even again telephonically in the reason that was so important for me to implement ears. As you've already heard me say mean so much of. What we need to do to be resilient in this moment, the knowledge just be resilient, but really grow from this moment involves our behaviors and things that we do have a level of control over that can be so difficult for people so that health coaches someone can really help people not to give them a plan not to tell them to do two more pushups. That's not what we're talking about here. It's really about helping them to think through a plan to they're willing to engage in and really understand why it's important to them and. Work through barriers and things of that nature. So we just started that now just a month or couple of months ago. Because we really wanted to help people to be able to make lifestyle changes that are sustainable for them. So and of course, I see patients as well. So this physician consultations as well. We look really broadly. What kind of options are out there to help both treat disease as well as improved overall quality of life what a wonderful resource and opportunity for patients I learned to great things from you today. Hey, delegates delete in do and. Trap, MAP IT ZAPPA. Small. Thanks so much Dr, Adam Perlman who's the director of Integrative Health and wellness and the Mayo Clinic in Florida. We have really enjoyed having you on today i. know this is going to be very helpful. Thanks to oualadi to for joining the mess they. 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We'll get into this week's episode which I think very good combination of serious fun. First off, though couple things going on, let it to pass that sort. One few weeks back. We had our. Caller who was about to head off to college with gotten into Columbia was heading to state school instead out. Keep an eye on family helped. Get some finances together. Bunch of the people in our facebook group. Very kindly. Said I would I would start something and throw some money towards the caller, and we actually jared reached out to the caller and said. Would you want people to organize this in the caller? Very graciously said I'm flattered. It's not what I'm looking for right now, but did recommend that if you are interested in helping people in similar situations that you check out the dream, dot us. They focus on providing scholarships to people in. cirumstances not too far away from what the caller was dealing with. Check out the dream. Dot Us if you're looking for something along those lines for like callers requests. what else the sexual lunch lady! people loved that episode. I'm glad people liked it. The A sexual lunch lady is now in the facebook group participating in the Combo. Check it out if you're interested speaking of the facebook group. The stocked by my ex episode. He's got a little testy I was in there People, a couple people were. Upset that I said that I see the value in maybe defunding the police and diverting those funds towards some other parts of our infrastructure. Get why people are mad. I'll say if you're mad at me. Come at me. I was little. I was a little stressed. I feel like that facebook group has been so a lovely and laid back, and all about honest communication, and there was some game playing in there. If you ask my opinion, I never want the group to be. Something so stressful that people feel feel like they got duck out. There's enough of that on facebook. It's enough stress in our lives caused by social media. That group is a pleasant place this week's episode like I said part serious part funny. The second half is so funny. involves a big fat squirrel in Bolton, action, movie and Mohsen. ICE, cream fight. Loves the Queen of England. The. The first half is an English caller talking with me about sorting out all the social stuff happening in America how some things translate! Me Trying to figure out what things as an American do I have to explain more her explain to me no I. Get it talking about her own. Identity and how she's come to embrace it more during these times so again. If you're looking for the serious part of the show first-half, right up your alley, funny stuff second-half. You could skip to that I recommend you. Listen to both enjoy Thank you for calling beautiful anonymous. A beeping noise will indicate when you're on the with the host. Hello. I there we go hi. So sorry bet all this rigmarole as they say. Now, did you happen to hear? Did you happen to hear me? Shout towards. I'm so sorry that I'm shirtless in wet I. Don't know if you caught that. No I didn't hear about good. Good good. Yes, there's A. Reducing the show via zoom lately, so when I got back on the zoom with jared I need I said that because there's a a tropical storm outside of my house right now, so I put out the call prompt. And then ran outside to throw everything I own in the basement and now I'm back and we're talking. Wow. There's a stolen there. Yeah Tropical Storm, which is like not quite a hurricane. So if my power goes out I, apologize and we'll just call you back another time. That's my problem. I mean I'm from. You can probably hear from my accent. I'm from the UK so phones on something that I deal with in my experience. It's not a daily thing, but a couple of times a year. What part of the U K are you? London. London Beautiful London? Great Town Great Town. Can't be. A fast paced town that also grind you up is the impression I get, but a great town just like New York. It'll grind you up, but it's got a lot to offer. Yeah. That's true. It's. It's a kind of lived here. My whole life But in the next ten years on hosting Snoop Island and so my completely different. Oh Wow, why are you moving Ireland? My girlfriend is from Ireland and. If I can, if like. We got married and so if we got married and. I can have an amish possible I'm all. Again. And you'll be fellow. Irish passport holder I. Have I have my passport from Ireland? Because I know you have Irish descent, right? I got the right of return. They call it so since my grandparents were born there. I. I was able to file. The paperwork can become an Irish citizen, and that means my son an Irish citizen as well. Which means that you know I? Try not to be too paranoid. About the state of the world, but if we do descend into total chaos here in America, we can duck out. Get over the Emerald Isle for a few years. Ride things out. That's exactly how I feel. I, mean I, I I'm a variety of different ethnicities and My family was swift and. I'm I'm also taught Indian as well and so especially with everything. That's been happening in the UK lately. I kind of feel. I Dunno I feel very way about my britishness in life of. Talking and I feel more European. And I like that I know of the in your anymore and I also have Irish descent. My great grandfather was Irish but I've never had that possible so i. Wouldn't feel to me to have sports. It's not make sense. Sure sure. Citizen of the world. It's it's very a- as an American. We we take up so much room. That being an American, it's like everything. Is Self contained within the borders? America's far as how do you identify as an American and being from different reasons what it means, but I have always been very fascinated as you said. The idea of Britishness is is a very specific thing in the idea of being European. Very specific thing, and it feels like especially being European at always kinda shifts over what exactly that means, and it's very Yes. It's very fascinating to watch from afar because I can't quite decipher it. It's kind of hard being in it as well and also. for me I even though like I'm seventy five percent white. I'm only a quarter Indian but I look very Indian. I have the DACA skin and dark hair and dot, highs and everything, and so I noticed over the last. Since Brexit, just another racist and the IB. Sorry another bracelet from the I personally experienced just increased and increased especially in my line of work. and. I was born here and I really had no. Links to my Indian heritage, because my I never knew my family I'd always felt very briefly. And now has been telling me, but I don't long hair or that. I should good box where I'm from. and. It's very difficult. Being told that you should go by the way you're from when you from I'm from England how I feel. And very strange to have. An increase. You know what I mean. Absolutely so that's something that's actually been said to you. Oh, yes, I walk for a company that has English and its title and somebody wants to me. How can you walk for? The English I won't play if you're not from England I'm that was before I even opened my mouth and said. And as you can hear from my accent I was definitely born here because I would pretend this. Wasn't from here I sound like. Twice in my opinion. To. Can you repeat a posh what? Like of course. I mean I wish a private school To somebody else in this country in private school, yes. Myself as a young child I sounded very pretentious. Hated it I really really hate that. I found this way. Then my girlfriend from Ireland says that it makes me sound very Like I know what I'm talking about. But. I really felt like my. Family me about it all the time. It's funny. There's there's. You go different places and different words get tossed around, and there's less impact and I will say as an American I'm sure you're where I feel like I feel like The English toss around the word. Thuat very casually. That one has yeah. That's when we hear it in America. It's shocking to us. Which is which is why I? Know I didn't. I didn't mean it that way. No, of course, that's why when. I was talking about myself. Yes yes, no, and it is. It's one of those things you go. Different places and different things have different impact, and that's why I wanted to make sure you said that before I. Repeat it because if I just. If. I may go I thought you said posh twice, and you're like I didn't say that I would feel. Describe ably guilty indescribably embarrassed so. I'm glad. I need it in this. No Nice show now. I I meant in the sense that like. When I when I cook I feel like I found very posh I feel. Like my accent. Much me, I, hear you I hear you. That's just like in the states we have. A piece of apparel call the fanny pack and I've been told over and over again. Do not refer to it as that in England very different connotations. Very different connotation yeah, what? Yeah now that we've had that sidetrack where I got taken aback and plush too little. I'm so sorry. Well I'm so sir, it's. It's the reality of things that a lot of people don't want to deal with right. You, hear about all over the world that that There's been this shift to you. Know this far right influence. That's dragging everybody to the right and. Everybody's politics that are their own. Some people at that way, but then. To hear from you the actual collateral damage. No actually someone has told me I'm not from where I'm from. People have actually said to me. Why don't you go back where you? Are from this is. This is a day to day. Ground level thing that. People running into it's it's gotta be very jarring. It is You know like everything that's been happening in the state regarding black lives, matter and how that has spread around the world. like for me, personally. Somebody who's next race. It's been really hard for me to figure out where exactly I should. Stein and I don't mean not by saying. I was like people because about competely, not why point what I'm saying? Is that especially the way the media portray it? To me anyway, being my own personal experiences I would never try and put my pin or anybody else. It feels very a binary. You know it's very. Like the is white. And Of course. That's important I always kind of. Trying to be a bit like a stage United States you have. And? You have the black people who were standing on one side. Who is paying this Mike and this is how I have been treated. And then you have on the other side of you know white people who are listening and then can use that privilege I fly voices, and that's very very important. And I'm not trying to say about snowden important. For me when I when I look at this stage, I see myself in both sides. You know because I understand that I don't have. You know as much as as. Some people they. Also, very strange about not talking about my experiences, and he's fighting. Compete you as. I need to recognize my own privilege. because. I, if it was with me to not talk about my experiences of races, but also don't want to tread on the toes. The people who created this movement who it's about. The kind of make sense. Does, it does and. It's. It's so fascinating to hear. You from across the ocean. What a fascinating thing to hear you sorting out black lives matter, which is such A. Such a you know a people are marching in the streets every day in the states. And it's so fascinating because yeah. Some of it's just semantic right and some of it's it's. It's it's very. It's very wild. You know, hear you say that. It feels black versus white and I'm sure that there are elements. which that's true, but I will say from being an American Tony Very international listeners. I feel like the. The real issue is that I, think for? Black-americans it has felt black versus white. Since? The founding of our country and I think for a lot of white people. It's been. You know we try to convince ourselves over and over again that things are have changed. And this is actually the first time in my lifetime. that it feels like it's black uniting. With White. by and large, and then, and then, and there are some amongst us who do vehemently do not agree, but it's. It's funny I had. An English fan of the show sent me a message after hearing me say. Let me. Be Very clear that I support black lives, matter on the show and an English listener actually message me on facebook and said. How can you say that all lives matter? It's not just black lives, matter and I said. Oh well. We talked it out. He's very very upset at first, and there's a part of me that just wanted to be. So emotional over here right now all of us that I wanted to just be like fuck off, you know. But I realize. Oh, there's there's some translation here. What I compared it with to him was the phrase all lives matter. Is. It's it's very strange because that, too many of us here who are on the liberal end of politics and progressive it actually comes off as racist, but I think to anybody from the outside looking in, they would go. Will always matter. And I said to him I feel like it's almost an i. you get it I. Think you see that. I, completely, I absolutely hate the phrase is not. Because the whole point of it, it's like it's no one is saying. You know. You pick one Black lives and suddenly elevated about everybody else doesn't change anything else, or it's not to compete completely missing the point. But I think maybe the passion you spoke to is coming from is but when you all in the UK. UK is such a guide thus country, but purely because of the Anti. You know not sleeping which I'm just me. The people don't know enough about in this country. Is you know like the stuff that the pot the. Empire it's not even in the curriculum in most of the schools in this country, people aren't aware that the things that England did. I'm doing it because of that, but we have people from all around the world and have in the country. How the wind rush generation came to this country, and then withhold the then all this is in the UK went in invaded their country and watch them to come. After the war which? The UK did. Yeah so the wind rush generation so. Basically the UK. When and you know, see, colonize tasted like Jamaica and so on. And then the these countries Ford's with the UK in world, War Two, and then after World War convey, came game and for the life I'm. His. was than you know, go to on the floor. and. Not being image citizens despite the fact that they actually were. they were invited to come and help pad the country. Also the wall and that children are being. Treated. You know so racist in this country because. People in our reminded. These people came to England. Author will because of I'm saying you have a whole range of different people who live in this country. People in India for example like my family. and. I when I was saying you know, it's still very binary like lacking white. I mean. My country is that. People need to wake up and realize that there are so many people living in this country that. are treated as second bath. And I know that state has had a very like stomach racist. You know. Well what she ship with Black Americans, but I understand that. But this country has it with a whole range of. People Brown block everything in between. I think this has been a massive wakeup call for. Most people in my country, not all of them. Yeah. It's such a strange time so much to say in response to that and it's Is Really I. Just say it's already very cool to talk to you because you've got clearly both a lot of emotion about it, but also a lot of knowledge as a good Combo and. you know there's so many responses I have one is I. Think you know I think part of what black lives matter. Deals with if we want to talk about like the historical roots and I'm no expert, so this is just one. Average citizens opinion is that I think I think that. I think the states actually. To what you described the UK of from everywhere. I think. One of the things because I certainly think. I certainly think Hispanic people have. Felt like there's so. You know. So much more danger the past few years because of things surrounding an immigration, I certainly think you can look at every wave of immigrants in our in our country's history, I think. Asian people for you know the reason the reason there's so many Chinese restaurants in. America, if I am remembering, my history correctly is because there were so many deportations of Chinese. Immigrants unless you worked in the food industry. You could get a visa and that's part of why it was. Get deported or work in food like it's. Part of even going back to the Irish Irish need, not apply signs go back to the Italians at people regarded as like anarchists, not to be trusted, but I think the issue that a lot of us are finally coming to grips with. Is that all of those immigrant groups and some? You know you know certainly the Irish and Italian because the color of their skin. It's easier. They've gotten more of a chance to grow generally generation only. And fight their way into all the beautiful things America has to offer and like I said. I'm probably pissing people off right now. Who are going? My group has not had that chance and I understand that it's varying degrees of success, but I think we can all agree that black Americans have been here from the start in the most fucked up circumstances and remain today in the most fucked up circumstances, so it's like when are when are we going to give this? Incredibly important. Community that has helped. Build this nation in arguably a fair shot. Can we just get a fair shot going? Yeah, and then as far as you talked about this. You could. You could probably argue that what's happening in. America right now goes back to English colonization. We were American colonies and slave owning colonies. Everywhere in the world. Say That I'm. I I mean this is something I I talk with my girlfriend quite a bit because you know she has Irish. Mean her family starring back generations who still remember the time when in the UK they was. Saying no blocks dogs no Irish. You know and she also appreciate the. And she is white I'm sorry. Champion, able to like how countries able to reclaim some sense of. You know if you could them to find the humanity again. which you know, Americans. Really don't have the same of to black with like with the glow I mostly when you were saying about how black Americans came and you know help, build this country, or your country is the same what I feel about not Indians under Jamaicans this country. Like I was saying about win. Rush how they came over and how? We build the country off the wall. And then concur, there's nothing. And That's something I feel. I feel quite strongly about any known my Indian. How many Boutwell? In fact, they only I only two. They were about three years ago. Let's go ahead and pause because we have to sometimes right. That's how the show works. We pause every now and then. What we do is we reflect on the things we've heard when we come back. We hear either. So that's what's about to happen, we'll be right back. 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Alien I only skull do they were about three years ago? by doing my research online manage just wanted me down. But I felt no closer to my Indian fide from having found them. And It's Kinda stuff time that I really felt proud to be. Indian because. In the past it was always something negative especially for my family. and I'm trying to like. It took me a long time to watch. People say you know what I am Brown. Because for a long time. My mom never talked about the fact that she was Brown. And I was full. Brown because it. Reminded her of her father was never a good thing so I would say white and. If. There's anything good that's come out of. This is the fact that I actually still like I know who I am, both are now. Cool. Has Come you. With the negativity of being told. Oh you're not white enough to be white. You're not brown enough to be Brown either. Because I get bad I noticed well. But, I actually feel like I. Know My my own identity. That's now. That's an amazing thing. That's an amazing thing that all of this negativity, and all this fear I bet, there's people all over the globe right now going you know what? I, I have to whether it's embrace. My background more than I have or. Fight for my background more than I ever have and not sit down. If, we can get that mobilized for people in the world. Would a beautiful thing. Yeah and I like I've I've always felt the especially. People like me because I. I can't even in the sun, and that's when my skin my income, the changes very drastically because during the summer that I experienced more racism because I actually got about ten shades also I felt like I was defined by who I. I was like I was define who I goes in the pays who I am you want want you to know, or you are not Brown enough or you. Can't. You know English enough for your no. You're not nothing now. I'm saying. No I am mixed race. And I'm actually proud to say about now when I wasn't about three or four years ago. Hell Yeah. I like I. Hate hearing that it's laced with so much. Questioning. And strife I love hearing. You say that sentence I'm proud of WHO I am now. I can't say that was true for years ago. That's that's. Really fucking cool. I think that's the also for where I am in life right now anyway. And I. In terms of many different aspects of my life I'm actually proud of who I am at the moment. When I wouldn't have imagined myself, saying not the cost so. I'm proud of myself for that. Now I gotta ask. I just heard this song. You would love this song. You'RE GONNA. Love this song. Do you know this artist punk artist English name Bob Villain. Wa L. A. and though like Bob Dylan. Do. You know Bob Dylan. That's how that song we live here. Do you know that one. What. What Song Sorry we live here? I don't know that one. This song first of all it rocks this brock's S. If you like punk music, the yeah, it's basically a song about him being. Not White living in England and people constantly telling him to go home and the whole song. The premise is basically him going. I'm from here I live here. I was born here. and. It has a lyric where. Here I looked I'm googling it now. The lyrics he has lyric in the song that goes. You told me to go back to my own country said since we arrived, this places got so ugly, but this is my fucking country, and it's never been fucking lovely I heard that I was like. Wow, man, that's. Out that's this is. That's Punk rock that this is not like my pop punk songs about boys who can't get the girl that I grew up. That's. PUNK rock. Yeah and that that America is very much nineteen right now. People. We're going to get on the I mean especially especially the. Like Yeah like 'cause I told you I went to a private school. And I was knocking sense that I was pulled in history and notice things I think a Lotta of people on taught in this country. And So even as a young kid like. One of the things that we we were told in his feelings about nicely. I've yet to find somebody in this country who I've said also mostly to and they go. Oh, yeah, who that is! when united who he is probably not being the states the on off the question before I explained I must admit my ignorance who is Oswald mostly? So also mostly was the leader of the be us, which was the British Union of Fascists and he was around the time hitting annisten. Dini one power. And he was trying to do the same thing that they were doing. And he was getting a lot of support from British people, and he was very much up and coming until a point, where he tried to walk through the east of Nandan and smashed the windows of the. Homes by the Jewish people wouldn't have been. And The population of the east end came out onto the street and said you will not much here. These are our. Our. Neighbors our friend. You do not much here and they blocked him. And he couldn't end up coming down the road I'm from then on he. He got to find his much. And from that point, onwards his. He started to decline in popularity for often until about thirty nine. Still had a lot of support in this country. and. I, think not people don't realize that thinking. Not Never happened in the UK not GonNa be thing that we are associated where we were the ones. And Yeah. He had a lot of support. And And people should be proud the. Yes! We may have supported this guy. But, we even the one eventually stopped him, but no no one. He's Cape from history. No one ever talks about him because it's better. That we never had any connection to fascism nineteen. Even admit that we did. I was cool with this. You know always fixing. and. That I was like okay. There's some things I need to learn about. Because other people are gonNA think about this. And, so I really made it my. I don't know I just try to as much as I could I love reading I? Believe anything in front of me so? I'm not done on. I, love to discuss things. I did my. Best to try and educate myself. And That's why I know a lot of things about like you know the. Things in this country, I think more people should know about. I think the American version of Moseley and maybe there's more appointed examples. I'm not smart enough to know, but we had the bund. The Boone B. U. N. D. and a lot of Americans are never taught about this, said a German organization. That! Before. World War Two became. Pro Not see. and. You might think it was a small fringe group. No, no, no, they had a rally that sold out Madison Square Garden which is the known as the world's most famous arena, and there's footage of it. It's chilling. Fascism can happen anywhere, but we gotta be like Woody Guthrie Woody Guthrie. Put it right on his guitar. This machine kills fascists man and I'm not saying murder people. I am saying. Stop it in its tracks every time you see it, you have to all her responsibility. Yeah Yeah. I don't think is nice that no means. No If you? If you stop thinking, he's thinking know it could never happen here. Thoughts club him. To be you have. Case, it and you have to feel best to. What is right? Well I said it on the show before, but I feel like I gotta say it every chance I get. We spent. After World War Two. We said never again about the Holocaust. There's concentration camps in China right now. There's kids still being held in cages in America right now. We said never again for almost eighty years. Now it's happening again. And we're not doing enough to stop. It's scary. Now. I could talk about this the whole time. We're at thirty minutes. I did have. Had a question about something you mentioned you. Sit something off. Hand it before I'm not sure 'cause if you WANNA. Keep going on this. I'm I'm ready to go. We got some shared opinions and a very interesting life with it, so I don't want to divert it if you're not into it. I'm fine I i. have I have many things can talk about United States go ahead. Austin thank you want well. You had mentioned that you. Are Hoping to marry your girlfriend and. moved to Ireland EU passports still identifies European, but you said if I, if I, can marry my girlfriend. I wrote that down and I'm wondering. What that's rooted in. Oh I I just in in the fact that You know we've been living together for a year and a half now and we. We want to get married The public finances. Ways the problem and because of. Because the. Situation has been happening. I found out two weeks ago that I've I've lost my job. I on Allah for a while, which meant that I didn't have to work, but I still got money but now my company is no more money, so I now have no income and Michael hundred during a mosque. And so she was students. does she has no income and. Talking another call. In two weeks. SO I. Need my money coming in right now. which is a little bit of a worry? So. I'm hoping we can get to the point where we can help to find on select. Get married, but that seems unknown. Way I'll try now. I'm very sorry to hear that I'll have to say kinda relieved. Because I thought you were going to say, you can't get married. Because of societal issues or family issues problem with lifestyle. Some kind of safety just hear that its own now I mean I I have my family. Issues doubt without with my family, and that was interesting time My mom even tries to throw ice cream and Michael. Thanks, one time, which was says aw I. Now, so it's not nothing to be with family or anything. Her family's amazing. Your mom through is cream at your girlfriend. Yeah in the street in front of as in. What slavery. Strange curation I feel like the flavors her out coconut. Wow, that's real. That's real anger coconut. This is not this is not some yeah. Common Vanilla that you can get everywhere. This is coconut. You might not be able to find that again. This is. Stuff. stop she calls from the. Farm Shop. It was expensive. It's like Artisanal I. WanNa see. Think I I think I don't think ice cream, but knows about ice cream with the greatest tragedy of that day. The. My mom tried to grow ice cream and half base. It was more of the fact that the three expensive vice being for an on the ground. How you GonNa wait a Lotta money and I and this is because, and this is because your mom was reconciling issues with your sexuality at the time. my. My mom is a very interesting character. And you're right and I had a I have a very strange relationship because it basically in short. What happened that day is? she tried to tell me about how me being with my girlfriend was tearing the family apart which it wasn't. I left the house because I want to go with. She came outside the House and started chasing me down the street yelling. Don't you walk away from me? Then you realize how hard to say has been me because. On that day are to clear out my own bedroom. Because she told me that I had to get all my stuff out of the house. And then my girlfriend Conrad to the friendly and says don't you realize how hot it's been served? You know for me. to which my mom she likes to say. She was defending me. That's a very short that was like a very short condensed version of what not say no. I I can't imagine. There's a lot of exposition that builds up to that moment. A the bullet points are fascinating, and and do you think that? Do you think that when your mom's saw that expensive melting coconut, delicious, creamy ice cream on the on the floor. That, it was any part of her. Saying I have to get a half to get away from my own personal biases because this is. Scott, I'm just kidding I'm just kidding on this. On. I mean honestly it took me having to go and sit down with her like one on one on me. Being like look, this behavior is childish. You call me going. Scarring is current people's faces, because because you don't agree with what Baid says. It's like me, think parents can my entire and with honesty. Something I've done for most of my teenage years, but it was just me. Look I have boundaries, or you're trying to like all phases live. You are coughing I'm I'm so sorry. To me links. I think this is a year and a half ago now. Like friend per apologized friend, she was like. He wants to have my fake. What am I saying? That is. A wild conversation with your own mom, mom. You cannot throw ice cream at my girlfriend ever again. The type of sentence that. Impossible to predict that anyone would ever say maybe the only time. It's ever been set in human history. Think about that. Millions if not billions of years. And you said the sentence, mom, you cannot throw coconut ice cream at my girlfriend. I mean to be honest I until a therapist so many things I've had to say come on over the years, but I don't think many people would. But Yeah I've had I taught to have these conversations I'm like okay, mom, if not her case because this, this is bad behavior not. Okay sorry. Wow so then you're in these classes to be therapist. and. They're teaching about human psychology and their talk. I imagine there's all these moments along the way where you're going. Dared talking about my my mom deals with this. Are there moments like that? Does. This is how my mom does a single. This is how my sister deals with things. Oh, that's just how my father does things, my hope founder and you're very weird. Girlfriend likes me like I. Don't know how you are even somewhat same coming out of stock calmly. On myself as Well, I'm really glad you are. Because you're, it's very very, and it's very interesting to talk to you about both societal. And personal. Traumas I'm sorry that you lost your job. That's very stressful. Yeah I mean it'd be honest. It's not a joke that I picked me like Missing, not being there I'm just missing the money aspect of it. Really I normally walk in theater so then he goes to about my bike at watch things on stage for free, but dealing with. The public is not always the easiest of job. I have many interesting stories about my time walking and say as soon as well. Is it like west end stuff yet on the West End. Yeah and I I'm I'm Paul Management Team a fairly large better. And so I. I, have you know? Anybody who were? Always have like. That one big story. He goes latest things that's happened to them. And then you just told me a whole bunch of other stories. They can tell as well like my my fake story when. One Guy. Bear in mind I'm only School for eleven. I'm very short for my age. I'm I'm one guy. Hunch me in the face. I've just because he wanted to get on Spain. Yeah Gordon Mind about forty forty five, I would guess. He tried to get on stage and I wouldn't move three. Punch me in the face. Now that's a place to stop. That's. That's a big. Pause right there. It's called the cliffhanger. Be Right back. What's up listeners? This is Jackie's Neil from culture kings, and I just wanted to let you know about a project that I am curated for ear will presents called black voices Friday each week I am going to present to you. A different podcast hosted by some amazing black voices and creators that you may not have heard about before. This is much to amplify black voices in your chance to support them, so join me every Friday on of presents to expand your ears and get to know some amazing black voices. Everybody the brakes are over. Let's finish off the phone call. Three Punch me in the face like get on stage, Wallet Production. was in process. Because show's happening. Constant. Had A concert on stage. Lewis if he nine thousand feet. Who is that? Faith! Hand LEERING LOUIS HE wasn't xbox a winner. So forty five year old man is trying to storm the stage to physically touch. A talented winner of a reality show, and you are in the line of fire and get punched in the face. Yes, and then he knocks near the, but then I did what a child would do, and I grabbed his leg I tried to shake me off my. Black to secure tame. Like bitcoin mind you claiming woman just. Like. That was the situation. Sorry fame I have to imagine. Security had no qualms stepping in on that. Want to get that Guy Outta there. No, say then they they were very good about it and then, but then one of my calling my manager. Did you know that she got punched in the face and he put it. into think when he was like Oh crap. Get punched. That's the unfunny reality postscript that story. I also feel bad because. A lifelong fan of Morrissey last few years I haven't been listening to stuff as much because he said so many really off putting things, but I have jumped on stage and touched Morrissey. So I've been. I've been that guy. It wasn't over. An X factor winner, but I have jumped a barricade to get on stage and security did. Rightfully so took me out. Yeah, see we! We had Morrissey play at. There's used to walk. Through one of his. He's three one of his clothing into the audience. And this one woman came up to me, and she had all her nails Ritz off because people were scrambling so hard to try and get the clothing was a whole hand with meeting the he won the item and she was like it was worth it. I wonder puff, and I'm like you have your Hondas and Ben. Ship crazy. They love it. He does that every show. People and people tear it to shreds. And Storm State Court now I do have to ask just as someone who has known his work forever. You're in the management. Do you have to deal with this guy backstage? 'cause you hear nothing but bad about his deep abusive fear I mean I. Didn't personally because I thought this was about a while ago. Sir Wasn't a kite in a position that I am now but he had so many rules. in the building and none of us, even the you know. baustoffe. Allows bring. and. Golding whatsoever didn't lock him if he. Didn't say if we bought me in. His security would pay off off and wouldn't bring any about in. Yeah, he he tried to play over the time he was allowed and I think he broke one of the rules. We have to pay a ton of money as well but. Before I was a I was then so I'm not. Aware of anything else. I'll tell you. People given cuff about the meeting. It's showed up a couple of times where people get mad at him for the meeting thing, but he's done that on my TV, show, princes and festivals. But actually. Actually respect them for that one because he's been a lifelong, you know one of the early early public figures who advocated a vegetarian Azam so my that one he's been. Doing since nineteen eighty two, you know. There's part of me that respects in. Yeah, it wasn't him with. The problem is more like his stuff that they are incredibly rude about. Minded I WANNA thing. No one likes being spoken to this eleanor annual child because they happen to forget, bring a ham sandwich and. Get Out, you know. Because we forgot you know. My meeting outside the cokes human. Boy this guy this guy now. What else you got so bad stories I. What else yet to finish the thought yeah! I was just saying like because of where I was I had a whole kind of celebrities as well, and it's always interesting to see which ones are genuine on which one Completely they on a ball. Everybody's there. Some people that I've met the. How they appear on. TV, it's completely different how they would me as a member of stuff. And then some people just completely genuine and. Interesting to me to find out which ones again, you, which ones on I've also worked. Like backstage for things like. You know. America's got talent. Britain's Russian of I watched the ocean for that, but. If interest in seeing how it will be things house as they all have not faith and. Leaping different people saying how genuine now I find that really interesting. Yeah, so much as manipulated. Public images are manipulated. Yeah, any any show that presents I feel like TV is manipulated. It's not it was a much longer process with a lot of. Trimming things taken out of context all of it. We're all being manipulated all the time. In England used England US divide and conquer colonialism to ourselves against each other. And we're all trying to embrace. We are inside. And and Morrissey won't even let you eat a ham sandwich. The whole world world. And then, and then there's the time when I took. My Monitor managed to meet the Queen so. I'm wondering. What was it I wasn't supposed to be. But I, yeah, the que- game when I just found out that job and so i. Get myself into position. I was the one thing McQueen and I could just see my angry monitor. Face the dog staring at me like you're not meant to be there and I was like oh I'm here now so I go clean. The box and everything was quite fun. Though is that must be cool to meet the Queen? But a lot of people don't like. A lot of cool, a lot of people say the royals is like an outdated thing that. Costs everybody a lot of money, but the end of the day. If the queen walks up, you must be like this is fucking cool. Hanging out queen of England I mean I. I've met the Queen. I've met willing cakes. I've not Harry and Meghan met. Prince Child Charles throwing child. I met quite a few of them by now. That's like the whole nuclear family. Pretty, much Just just I? The kids the whole. Card Stranger, crazy And are any of them? Like shockingly chill I won't ask for the negative stories the tabloid stuff, but are any like Prince Charles like. Cool are any of them. Cool with or do they just maintain their respective distance? Women Kate with very funny with me because Actually when we had them in off into, that was a There was A. That, was a someone shooting nearby. I'm look around the whole page. And Because I was going to belong different undersea stuff I'm. Like okay, you need to the box. And if anything happens, you need to get wedding cake out. For Basically Mad, not nine. What's going on I woke up. Again I'm very cool, and but young, and I walk in and look at. What are you doing here? And I'm like I will be your security for the day I. Mean Look at me like who is child. Now. Like maybe laughing at me like you. Know but I made the exit for. Parking your life. Reality. You're telling me there was a lockdown situation. And you four foot eleven. person were. Were thrust into an action movie where you had to protect one of the princes of England and you're in the Bruce Willis. Tom Cruise role in this in this scenario. Yeah. I guess. Because I knew at the was supposed to have the most could not true security person, but because they had their security, they didn't know. What I did, so I believe them if anything happened. To the book flex page to go to the. Security! People waiting. For the biggest didn't expect someone like me to turn up, so they just kind of funny. It is Kinda funny really when you think about. And then you wind up lockdown in a room together for hours, and you become lifelong friends. I wish no I just I just and. They would talking amongst me sounds Nice, but they didn't bring. Say That much to me I. was like. You know people are like my own family were calling me asking me if I was okay, because of course Zoya views that that was somebody shooting outside so I had like. My family and friends calling me like. You said that you're alive. You don't like no I'm just looking at the weather you pay. Very. Real Bay. You have had. A pretty fascinating -ly. Weird life. Are you aware of this. Yeah. I say that quasi-buddhist way quirky according life. You think that's fair. So yeah. I mean. I had I had. Different experiences remarking, and and even though it's the careers and I'm GONNA end up. Doing I wouldn't change it. I've met so many cool people and. Not everyone can saving the cleaning us so. Yeah! That's cool. So the the plan is. To stabilize the finances. Get your girlfriend her degree. Get married go to Ireland. Yep. Yeah. That's pretty cool, and then you get the EU passports, so then you can work anywhere in the EU and travel around at will and and whatnot. Exactly and. Yeah I'm I'm really really passionate about therapy and about mental health in general and there's something that I I feel like. I really want to make a difference with? And I know people call on the show and talk about mental health and stuff, so that's kind of why I didn't. Go Sadat kind of with Michael because. I think a lot. People have said things that I would say. But. It's something I'm really really passionate about I really wanted to make a difference so. Yeah and like especially during this lockdown, my my girlfriend has been Diagnosed with adhd and that's something that I really really want to help other people with on I'm also really passionate about decisive identity this. with many people don't know what either and I want to change that and help people with that. Yeah. That's what I've heard of, but I'm not totally sure what it is. I mean we have nine and a half minutes left, and it doesn't sound like a quick conversation, but I'd love to hear the broad premise I. I'll I'll I'll give you the show version Do you. Imagine the MIRA. Not that mirrors somebody's personality. The PC with a hammer it would break into pieces. Correct. Just making sure you're getting it like. Following. Yeah so if you imagine a child past ninety is very Very fragile this now. If a child experiences survey a tool. My full about MIRA has become something. Then the parents not let. Into different sections, the ultimately section still Pau Sameera. So unlike the way only presented like most pa-past Massey, the food I, it's not most. It's one nine. That's been Smith off into different sections because. If a child can then cross different memories. Different parts themselves. And they have to remember the abuse by going through which allows them to continue day knife. And then it goes different. Classmates then become Olsen Olsen the show was States of consciousness. So these alternates, he bought an author gotTA. You would have the passant who should have existed. But instead that one class is split up into different parts. Right, that's the basic way I can explain it. That was a beautifully thorough and descriptive answer about people. compartmentalizing dividing themselves up in order to survive trump. That's a beautiful thing you want to help with. Now the reason why I said it's nine and a half minutes 'cause it's fascinating and clear. There's like you're one of these callers who there's been four things that could have been the whole call. But the reason I said it sounds long through the bullet points because now we have. Little over seven minutes left and I just have a feeling. That if I say to you and what else is going on, that's something. Something's GonNa come out that I want to hear. I just have a feeling. So what okay going on, but also then. So I have been creating another balcony. On that balcony has been my therapy for last month. Without any folks because I have no jobs, so I've been really fun clear on my balcony and making it. Like a basically an extension of job. And then I woke up one morning. When out onto the balcony I'm squirrel had eaten about fourteen of my plunk. I'm this was like the worst thing that can happen to me about time because. My balcony like I said with my therapy, and I was still being I was destroy the loss of my clients. I'm a girlfriend was so angry. Come from come to like break. We're GONNA. Catch this goes down squirrel, so she went onto Amundsen appealing to catch a squirrel and she real trump. So we put out the squirrel trump humane. One doesn't Kennedy. It just tried to invite the metal cage. We've put this page out on the balcony. Putting the normal things I'd like peanut, butter and things. Nothing didn't want the peanut butter, because then like from like clearly is in Mike, taunt and like greenery is the school. He's on a dynamic. The boy had a topic I mean this habit inside the cage. Out For, one night came out the next morning. The WHO. Is Now trapped inside this case I'm. Like. Okay what we caught him. Only now gonNA cage I'm. Wearing. Sunscreen, going through quite a note because I can. Run by the Council when I made a friend there and. Day and I'm like Oh. Hey, you work with the Council right? He like yeah like I have the squirrel cage on my balcony any. Come take it away from the. He didn't even Baffin Island. He was like she'll crown crown all the new. Guidance up. Does that also mean takes the spirit away in this case and I'm. Yeah and so I him mckearney. Little School Koi door says the same. Thank you. That how destroy the Squirrel that? Clump. And now let's not unhappy and so of my. seat. I said if I asked you what else you'd have something. So scary about going to war with the real fat squirrel. I knew it. Yeah. Honestly I've never seen this girl dot fat in my life. And you know in your heart is because he's in your. Plants Yeah I mean I. can't I came up and went. Wow, that's stocks grew when no one thing you can. My tongue for NECAS bust out laughing, but every morning about four end. We just kids. It's like come. On come from then run over there because we were in an acting class. I know my girlfriend is like he's so loud. It could just be need running on the balcony at this point it could be. Fat! Funny. But wasn't at the time, but now that he's gone. I can laugh about it. My version of that story. Is that as I mentioned at the this call. Right before we started talking I was in my backyard, throwing everything that could blow away into the basement. In case, the winds pick up. And one. My neighbors yelled from her yard. I just saw a bear. Walk through your backyard. So I'm not worried about that for the rest life. Now for the rest of my life I. Mean who knows he could have been skinny bear who needs bear food and we'll leave my food alone, but odds are I gotta be pre careful about this bear situation. Yeah. I. Would if I were here. It's a lot different. When you move out of London, maybe leaving New York City. I never had to worry about a bear in New, York City. What what part of Ireland are you gone, too? Well. My girlfriend's family kind of May Dublin but we don't know whether we would be in the same area i. mean you have the whole country to come at this point? That area just depends on what we can afford and. Stuff like that, but I still have to do it. Three and also is still quite a while, yeah! It's got two and a half minutes left. And this is Ben. You strike me as one of the callers that. And I feel this way to some degree or other about everybody, but I feel like you in particular if we ever met up. it would be, it would be very easy. Energy and I don't feel that about a lot of people usually in very shy and uncomfortable, but I have a feeling. You and I would get along my four foot eleven print. Also chair I mean. Nothing check out about showing that united because I think. I think we're both very talking about music as well and I think locking love singing. I, play the guitar like I. Think we can have a whole conversation about those well. I. That song I heard the first time I heard I was like Whoa. This is good. People are using music to say stuff right now because I keep thinking about the sixties. And I keep thinking about. The know eighties like Billy Bragg one of my favorite artists. During Times of upheaval, artists have traditionally stood up and some of them managed to nail some things that needed to be said and I think about how Amazon Oh so much music now and apple in these corporations that don't pay their taxes and I'm like. I don't know spotify pay taxes, but on like I'm very disturbed that the places that distribute music are are companies that have a vested interest in making sure artists don't say certain things, so I feel like. Every artist in the world right now has to figure out how to stand up and say some stuff because we need a new. Bob Dylan right now. We need a new Billy Bragg. I mean we still got the old. Billy Bragg so that's. A good start. Yeah I agree and that's the thing that I loved about my job. The people who came and performed for. They want like mainstream. August they were people who used to perform you know back in the seventy eighties nineteen. And before that you know I mean. It's just good. Sometimes. They sneak this good live music. Rather than the stuff that diskettes trying out and on the radio sometimes. I really hope for a better future and to go back to the beginning. I'm happy to hear you. Embracing Pride in who you are and I I hope that you know the first half of the call. You talked about some scary stuff and some people coming at you in ways that are not okay. And I hope that second half of the call takes your mind off things. At least a little bit and I really wish the best to you and your girlfriend help you wind up in Ireland, married and happy in. Financially stable, and with all the things you deserve in life. That's very. Caller. So. Sincerely, it was a pleasure talking to you. Talk about senator tents stuff. We talked about some stuff that was very funny, but as I said in the course of the call felt easy going, and and I have a feeling that if we ever meet in your life, I'm actually going to be socially comfortable for lunch, and not the most off putting human being most fended the show and tell you I am your life. Thank you for all of the insight. Might background some you tough times some of the strange times. Telling me about the time that you will personally tasked with escorting members of the family to safety. But interesting. Thank you to jared. O'CONNELL in need floors in the food. Thank you the shell shock for the music. You like the show one thing you can do to help rate review subscribe. Check out the entire, beautiful anonymous back catalogue. It's on stitcher premium along with our followups. stitcher premium dot com slash stories more details on that. Next, time. A. Now. It's time to take care of yourself. You GotTa make time for you. 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TCF Ep. 526 - Phil Penman

The Candid Frame

42:36 min | 3 months ago

TCF Ep. 526 - Phil Penman

"When you decide to go into business for yourself, it's as much about your hustle as it is about your talent. Skilled and talented as you may be if you're hustle is not on point. You are going to struggle not only getting into the game but also staying in it. Phil Penman understands that which is why he's managed to establish himself as a celebrity street and commercial photographer. The links that he had to go to his Paparazzi could make the difference between getting the shot or not, but also more importantly the difference of thousands rather than hundreds of dollars. That kind of work is not for the faint of heart especially when it involves negotiating the streets of new. York. City on a bicycle. But as Phil understands, you've gotta do what you gotTa do this is Ebonics and welcome back to they candid frame. Jones, thanks for making time for me. I appreciate it. Thanks for your patience and finally getting round here. Thank you for inviting me I. So you're up you're up to like five, hundred, twenty, eight. So is man gets because you sent me your book months ago. I, talked to my wife who's that producer to try and make sure that we got you in somewhere but it can be quite the juggle because there's so many people that consider. Really I love the Book I love your story but one thing that's fascinating in before we get into talking to you about your photography is just like man you have held so many jobs. So many things. List as well. So it was just was just the the nature of being like a hustler that you were just like just did what you needed to do in order to get by that is that why you? or so many different at one hundred percent of house. So when I was in college I was studying photography and a box. If Alford like a hundred sheets for safe thirty pounds and that's a of money to a college student and you having to crank this week off the week. So I had I would study and I had to free jobs that I was doing waller's in college. So in the daytime, I would serve lunches to like rich preppy boy, Colt prep school kids at a nearby like boy school than a night I worked in a bar and unlike club four nights a week, and then the weekend I used to work even Lego land or Twickenham rugby Stadium. So I would literally our work all day through the night and then have like free hours sleep got a college study as. You did this casino the the bitch would be like we used to do five transparency. Not only will take was the chew to say, have to stop off and the fuck that's enough free. Way, worked in the bar and he go pay to twenty an hour. Like notes it. Hasso Hasso. When you're young. You don't need that much sleep exactly now I'm just like I'm Pasta by seven o'clock. So, when did you get the bug? When did you discover that you wanted to study photography in photographer it was my backup believe it or not i. was fifteen and I wanted to be a sports teacher. My Dad was like, well, you got to have a backup. And he was a professor I so I kind of I grew up with a darkroom and seeing prints in the bath tub being washed and stuff. So he's like, hello go for this newspaper, pick out the picture the you think and if if I agree with you then I'll let you study photography as a backup and I ended up being a terrible sports teacher so You know I virtually failed sports studies by a my photography. So I'm like that's the way man to find out that photography is your fallback. It's funny. Because most people it's like. Repeats the first choice, not the second. It's like my lap was always insistent on you always have a backup everything. So that was my backup and then. Studied like the next freeze I guess and then. Started working straightaway into. Work you started doing initially. I did a year as a local newspaper photographer where it was tree, we do a jobs today and it would be like they had us going every thirty minutes. So you're driving around hundred miles per hour from job to job walk in the room sheet the paycheck next job, and it was like a fos learning cup. So you'd be like sports, events, politicians, babies, presentations, and then I landed a job working for news agency where I was doing hard news but I'm still doing. I basically landed a GIG. She will the cool proportion shift for Microsoft and like I like twenty, one years old and boss was worked for is making so much money from that the it was great for him. So I did I did about six months with him and then I got the opportunity to work for A. Company in Los, Angeles and just jumped to. Before, we into that, the pace that's required to do like eight assignments in a day is intense I used to have to like maybe three maybe four, the most could imagine aid. What did the teacher? You. Cut Know How to drive a car and an edit at the same time whilst answering the phone. I remember once they have been driving around lakes, rejoin about over one hundred miles per hour editing on a laptop with A. so into my air trying to get to the next job and you try to explain to them stop scheduling so many jobs close together and the they don't WanNa. Hear it there I. Remember the two thousand they had this great idea of doing the last year of a sentence school grade because the logic behind it was you would go photograph group picture free hundred people, and then every thirty minutes you do in the school picture where you were free hundred people and the logic behind it was. Older. The grandparents would by by the newspaper because they wanted a picture of the kid. So in one day, you could photograph eight different schools. So. That was kind of it was a good and cuff and it was just you've just shot everything in anything I. Remember my first job was my auditions was six pictures in one day and luckily my dad was kind of like our wash your next job and his is the check presentation. So said, okay well, you need to make sure you do this this and this, and then the next job boards a big public event or make sure you do this this and this. So I could just call him on my mobile and the I landed the job I blacked it, which is basically we mean. You Bullshit your way into jaw. So my first my first job was chief photographer I consider as a chief photographer make like gay done this before. Yeah. No worries like you're in charge of hiring freelancers and taking care of people. But you see the the the black is that you have to pull off the black voice she just crashing down and he finds someone. There onto the next one but I've heard stories so many times can you do that? Of course I can and then? Yeah. No problem. Got It got. So what was the work that you didn't? La. So I moved over Celebrity News Agency Co Splash News. And I started working for them in two thousand and I always wanted to be in the states anyway. So it was kind of like all right I've to do this get to where I WANNA go. The way they explained it to me is like look the pull traits ever finger very nice. But it's a five hundred dollars a day rate at the time is like four hundred bucks whereas Paparrazzi set of. Michael Jackson is one hundred, thousand dollars. So which one's going to pay our bills, then you have to be able to do both but we need you to lend this patchy work as well because that's what's GonNa pay bills. So you know going from shooting Cooper directors at Microsoft to having to follow Piss Brosnan in a DB five whatever he was. You'll you're you're driving down the PCH right and he's in his adenoids and then I might be up master sixty whatever it was. Like Shit, I'm chasing James Bond. This fix nasty. Pushover. A red lie it says. Why you were to hurry Mr Penman. So that was my entry. So that's that's completely different world. Most of which people don't have any clue about they see the photographs everywhere. and. There's certainly is enough criticism about what it means people. hold their nose when it comes to Paparazzi, but it's part of our culture. It's it's been so for a very long time, but in terms of being able to be an effective celebrity photographer Paparazzi. Oh. What do you have to do? It's not just about being able to take. Accommodate picture. There's so much hustle behind that were some of the things that you learn really quick in order to be effective in that way though be seen the industry change a lot like I guess when teams Econo- came around like this crush wallop kind of in in your face when we were doing is nobody even knew you that the of I will work with would have a gun me if if they fool you even going to be seen. So everything was shot through tinted windows. Half. A mile away because everybody wanted candidate pictures and that's just the business. It is a you know boss he would always explained to me. He's like you remember this is like America's biggest exports to the world celebrity and the movie industry if people don't like it, stop watching TV stop by magazine Stop Reading newspapers and it will go away very quickly. I always knew that right? I don't want to be doing this but I know that I have to do this in order to get a stay in the country working and I did it with them for about six months before I moved to New York which was in go anyway was to get to New York City and you know it's not a business. You WanNa be in the money is good. It was all expenses paid beautiful hotels. A lot of time of the celebrities will give you the information so. You know it's I didn't feel so bad once I kind of saw you know we used to get these tips and our beat like, wow tips. So amazing how do they possibly know this and it would be the girlfriend of the celebrity that would be giving you the information. So. Once, I kind sold as kind of got I got over the whole Oh my God, you know, how can you do this? You kind of see being a workings of it and? Also the like all right. The everyone's in on this. Of the game? Yes. Probably Game, how is it? How is the nature of the work different in Elliot's compared to New York Back Dan L. I used to be to relocate like I said, no be new took a picture thing was if you take a picture, then they control the situation and they give you pictures that they wanna give you. They might not be the story that the magazine once in new. York, it was a lot more because the streets are more close confined photographers. Haywood. Work a lot more like in in your face, which is our like to work I. Don't want people to know that even taking a picture. So I would always do it from a bicycle had a two, hundred, four, hundred with a one point, four converter on and. I'd be like one and a half blocks away from the celebrity. A lot of time they knew who you were and they weren't so worried about you taking a picture they just didn't want you drawing attention to them on the street because they are more worried about people on the street going up to them, and then then you have a security she. So they'd be like you could say my pitcher I have no problem. But if you're going to do I don't want anyone to see you doing it. Could get swarmed. Point I would see it all the time. They would be new huge problems would have. So we would like the cameras would never come out of the bag unless you're gonNA take picture. Yeah. It was a lot of a lot of problems. The the image that most people see most of the time is is the swarm photographers around someone. There waiting for someone to walk out on A. Hotel front door or some or or some store. How did you see that evolving change to the point that it is sometimes like like circus but the thing is those are the pictures that don't sow then not worth anything which was like if I would see a swarm of people that I would just go away like I don't need to be there because. These guys issuing for sixty cents the so you're going to get paid if you're lucky. I never really totally understood that. Logic. Most of my work believe it or not was working with celebrities. They would give you information. You know I'm going to be kissing my boyfriend on this on my stairwell at this time in the morning, and it would be because they're trying to squash a rumor. That someone saying that linked to another got never celebrity. So my work was like that and it was just nice and easy show up at nine thirty. You know I'd be more worried about photographer Samy make I'd take my picture and move. That was one of the interesting things about the in your book about not so much that you're worried about the celebrity seeing you as you were concerned about other photographers figuring out what you were doing where you were going. The celebrities new they know who most of us are. the troublemakers all they know who the ones that are going to be respectful. And it was more case of is an photographer gonNA. See Me and screwed up. You know a lot of time they weren't necessarily on the fact that you were actually working with the celebrity. So we you know there would be occasions where I would get a text and it'd be like you Nar I'd have to turn to this level say don't come here is going to be a problem and then we switched the venue of where we were going to take the patients. Because they want to control as well. And it was interesting that you sometimes work in teams with you know two words many as four photographers in terms of working out in ensuring that one at least one of you got the shot and that you would split slipped against split split up. Yeah. Is that something happens a good amount of the time? It was something that you failures. Is only a few people. You kinda trust someone and a lot of the time people would like to find their friends like I I'll give you a favor you favor. so you could only do it with some people, but say you doing a job on the world of story you know this ten different entrances that they can come in and out of you know you would put a person on each corner and you're looking for celebrity to walk out the door because they would never do that. You're waiting for them to get in a particular car you you more than likely looking at license plates. Than anything else and to be honest the work I do as investigative work not so much celebrity. So the celebrity was kind of like the thing that would pay the bills but the the nuts and bolts of it was investigative work. So you really didn't want people to see you know the only way of a turned down was they wanted me to go down to fly dench Nicaragua and photograph an ex IRA member. And I was like Whoa if he's a new Corolla, he's not ex- IRA and you've definitely don't want to be seen for girlfriend that guy. So a lot of my job is believe it or not like pedophile priests. Or the. Endless stories on pedophile priests for this one Irish newspaper. And I knew if they phoned me up, it was always going to be tracked down this pedophile priests and get a picture of him. So I never wanted them to see me and. So it was you know it was interesting job. Let's put it that way and likely a bunch of different characters that you worked alongside with. It seems like good to the kind of work that draws any assortment of different personalities characters. Were the kind of people that you discover gravity gravitated to this work because it requires a particular mindset. So you have ex-military lot of ex military guys do this people are attracted to the money? You kinda see people coming and going all the time. Honestly. New Kids will come in thinking that they're gonNa make a hundred thousand dollars and then they realized kind of what's involved in get out. I would say the the bulk of the guys I knew were military guys. We had one a a one British colonel. was doing it. Some marines yet interesting an interesting assortment of people from all walks of life, and then you'd have lost photography's news photographers who you know you had the the guy that shot Paris Hilton in handcuffs with the same photographer took the famous shortened Vietnam of the naked go running down the street on the. Yeah. So just like you know there's a lot of a lot of very famous photographers were doing this as well like but for myself like I never put my name on a single picture in fifteen years of those doing I, never put my name on a picture. If you're staying in a luxury hotel in Hawaii the thing, the security team on that hotel we're GONNA do is Google search every single guests staying? A few Google, all of a sudden Phil Penman and one hundred. Paparazzi pictures come up. It's not gonNA look good and you're GONNA get kicked hotel we've been. SMART move. Yeah. So I never put my name on anything. You got around doing a lot of that work on a bicycle which having been in New York is not something for the weak willed ten to do much less chasing around celebrities. Tell me about negotiating those those the Torres City streets at a bicycle pursuit a photograph. A. Used to be easier on all the full they start putting a little bike lanes in once the city by came in and the bike lanes it was like an excuse to double. Park. You know before you could just flow for traffic and there's no big deal. The bike actually benefits that you trying to do in a car an absolute nightmare because there's red lights everywhere you run a red light. You'RE GONNA get a ticket, which is two thousand, seventy dollars. So right right you'll. You'll pictures not on void. A motive was same issue the bicycle it was just a few a fit and you could keep up than you would get pictures and also it would benefit you because a lot of celebrities kind of respect that you worked hard fuel living and actually develop relationships were certain celebrities because of bike. So it really paid off for me and it can be fit as well. But it was anti coralling is you've got a great story about pursuing Madonna at some point her sort of acknowledging that you're putting extra as compared with other photographers. Why had I had son celebrities cold me Tour de France which I always full is quite amazing and then Madonna is doing. For two weeks straight whenever she would come into the city would always just work on her because. She's a total pro and the way they would work is like She'd have police, sirens, mccaw they run every single red light you could think of would that cause and the people the security team this year, US would be like terrorism task, force unit guys an extra negatives so they can do whatever they want it. So the bike was the only way you keep up with her like if you're in a car, you're going to get pulled over by COP. So it ruins be the I was the last one standing. One day. I follow her to some film set off the losing like fifteen cars and bicycles motorbikes. And she'd about twenty security guys. Nobody was doing anything ill she's posing up behind the film camera doing these like great family pulled traits of her kids and Guy Ritchie and I'm getting this stuff discount why these guys not blocking the or trying to beat me up. You know and the sound guy comes up to me at the end of it and he's like, you know, I don't know what you did to impress a man but she was letting anybody touch you and. What are you WANNA buy like? Well, I had a mike talk the whole time because she's doing a behind the scenes documentary and she was like that guy's been chasing bicycle for two weeks he can take whatever picture he wants. It paid off paid. 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Your book also consists of a lot of street photography, which is wonderful. Great Street portrait's. In. Images of the city and I can't help but feel that you've been able to really experience the city largely as a result of being on that bike. Very different from being in a car even walking the streets tell me about how your perception of the city was shaped by the result of Jesus being on a bike all the time. I don't know what it is. You just one your out there for like twelve hours a day and you're just moving through everything. You're seeing everything whereas walking you can only cover so much ground every day. And as I've definitely found those things that you miss on a bike that I find walking night right around the vaikeny more I walk around now but I was able to see a lot more of the city that maybe most wouldn't Anand's see a lot of strange shit as well. You know been there seen it and it's just a question of whether you WANNA photograph People ask me how the Hell did you see a guy walking techie in our? Office pictures I've ever seen made a New York and that's and that's something. Yeah or like you know a space man walking straight for Soho and has just like just riding by spotted and fro the bike on the ground and quickly get the picture before your goes away you know so I seen. Every day you see something this one of the things that makes that city. So unique is just how the oddest things just seem so normal, you couldn't do that in Kansas City. Does do that in Kansas City it's really been out, but it seems like. Your odds of being able to see something that you capture the camera increased markedly just because it's New York City. Yes and you find yourself like now like. Yesterday will combine is police helicopters flying above does literally fifty policemen on the street everything's cautioned off and like Oh what's going on oh? Awesome. Guys barricaded himself in. A building and it's just like all right the another day carrying walking. In A. have been there seen it. Done it move on. I really like your industry portrait's. There's the spread in there where you have for for men who are have brooms and in Indus- pans and it was really a wonderful set of imagery because you have very four really distinctive people who are doing the same kind of work. But you really got a sense of their personalities and and I felt that you really embodied the sense of dignity in each of the men. Even. Though they were doing something that a lot of people would. Consider menial work but I really love that each one was a unique person themselves in each of those photographs and I love that you brought them together as a group. It's funny I. Didn't even notice it to Gaullist. The curator, the book you know she pieced together, lease these groupings and I. I was totally unaware I had. You Know I. Knew that I'd photographed people street sweepers but I didn't know I had like four five of them and that she was able to spread like they're saying like, well, you know my wife I like we. Used to do that and I'd never fought about it. That was one of my. Jobs I used to be a street sweeper cleaning up OPTIMA K every Wednesday. When I was growing up and picking up cigarette butts in the rain stuff like that, and it was just on every every person that I try to photograph I shoot in a set way in its you know you shouldn't judge anyone for the work they do anyway. So I it's just sheep. Know they some people were trying to do silly expressions and just like I just stand that you have to do anything and just kind of let them do. Let them. Let character come out in the picture. I think that's why. So many of the. Is because. You've see them as a person, not just as some element that you can make a photograph of. The seem. Recognize the amenity everyone that's in your in your photographs, and that really comes comes across I. See other people make reports and it seems like it's just oh, there's someone who looks odd the Munich a photograph of them. Right and you get a sense you can look at the image and still and know the difference feel the difference when you take a look at the pictures. It's I. Try not to judge anyway anyway, you don't know what someone's background is. You know when you look at someone, give it to you know what I've been working on series during like the New York City during the pandemic McKay and the day I'm the Guy I'm. Trying his that's a like a right, and he's like, I, used to run a family studio with my brother. We used to shoot with hassle gladstone, big family portraits, and now he's going up to cause trying to change to get a sandwich. You know another guy who was never days like. He was like from where I came from in Dorset in England and He used to be a classical pianist than teach kids. Now he's on the street. So whenever I photograph someone like a lot of time, I'll get China with them for even take a picture. Just to kind of discuss sense of who they are and you know to judge just to take A. Patriot. Everyone else decide Yuccas I I feel that engagement in a lot of your lot of your photographs. You don't do as much of the Property Razzi work now. So what are you are you sort of make a living now from photography commercial work shooting features like. The New York review of books poetry. They you know they have a Nice I've a nice gig with them because they get access to some incredible people and it's like you know, can you shoot with cartoonist art spiegelman in our? So I'll she put to work. Like. You say commercial work a- teach but the LAKER. Academy. Which is kind of fun I really enjoy teaching to be honest. So do work shows for the Laker Academy where you know you have ten people you take them around the city and kind of show them what you do and I've enjoyed watching the progress and seeing how they. As well, and that's I find that very rewarding doing that kind of stuff what lead you to transition out of doing the on syllabi. Word. I couldn't take it one. The money just plummeted. I never wanted to do it anyway. The the unreason I did it was because of the money in living in New York City is not cheap it's Kinda like. I reached a point where his just I you. Just my wife's life was how every day would come home miserable angry the world because the Patriots was ten thousand dollars ten to. A two picture because two of the guy showed up and you buy spend. Free. As waiting for that picture, you know. So there's always something there was always like a lot of pressure because summers money online and I like I said I did it for about fifteen years and I started losing the you know the will to live with that stuff. The way save myself is kind of. Another camera in the bag where I could do. My street photography. and. It was kind of being funded by the Paparazzi work but he was always giving me the access to these. Great Street scenes that I wouldn't have been able to see without the proper at C. Work I ended up going cold Turkey like I. I quit I quit photography completely pretty much. Well. What of one of my jobs I used to do was a Lifestyle culture. So lifestyles of the rich and famous. Donny Osmond in Las, last Vegas doing his me and my house. One of the best celebrities by the way, any celebrity that carries you'll get to the car and asks you have got enough water for the dry foam. Cool Guy. So like a lot of Nashville Stars Brindley Charlie Daniels these people are used to do with their. Poultry gigs at the time, the Paparrazzi will was killing me. So I just I, I had a friend who is in the cycling industry and I was like have you got a job. You you re like anything I'll take anything actually. I need a sales guy for the northeast of America's like quit the Paparrazzi work and I started working as a Lycra salesman like cycling gear. A company Stellian I did that for free is, but at the same time I carried on doing the lifestyle poultry work, I'd be like I'm Brenda Lee's house. G. Might do you mind if I use the restroom quickly and I would go in the restroom and I just saw. Myself Iron about cycling team requests. Come back out the toilet. She and Brandon League and then like finish job if I can call hammer out responses. Did that for like freeze until. Just, hustle I needed healthcare as well. So off too I did about for years for them. What is funny because all the contacts that I met during that job at steady? I have since started working for a ton of those people in. Photography. So it gave me access the people that I never have been out of meat before. So things kind from for a reason. That's great and fortunately, Brenda Lee is wonderful with her husband. He's Also, so The story behind like Brenda Lee's just cool but. You. Pro Sees a true you've been doing since she was thirteen. I'm doing these traits of power by a piano and her husband Ronnie walks in the womb. He's wearing like a pair of dungarees. He's got no top under. He's completely Bachelorette's did. He's got faithful cap on by Columbia quits and he's like I'm ready for my close up. I'm like. All right. Come on. Get next to Brenda will do a nice poetry if you in front of the piano. And he's like what? What? Yeah Yeah. No you know post next Brenda and I said I need you both look completely miserable. Because they started smiling because it's like he looks like this big clown and I said, you gotTa let completely miserable. So I take this picture and she comes up to me afterwards to like good on you. He tried to call your bluff he's trying to cool you out and you quote him on it so. About three months later. I'm in a shopping mall in New Jersey, over some my cell phone rings and as like Hey Brenda. Brenda. who it's like you Brenda from Nashville my wife's with me and she's like you've gotta be shitting me. Is Not calling you on your cell phone right now like Yeah Brenna what you have, how can help you remember that picture you did me and Ronnie the on the panel. I was like I really WANNA use is my Christmas cost. Funny. Like I guess like a couple of months later on the poetry, she will who bobby rideout Philadelphia Philadelphia's like A. Fifty six and he's we start talking about all these people we've met and I said. He said, was funny I got a great Christmas card from every day. That's that's nice. That's a great in. Yeah. So it's funny like you know I've I've stayed in touch with a lot of these people like. Linda Dino, who was like Sue Ellen. Dallas. Did a shoot with her and then we stayed in touch off to the fact you know I remember watching Dallas when I was a kid and England now of Sun on emailing back and forth. So Ella News. In. Israel. A surreal. So you feel like really reclaimed your joy if it's Now that you sort of. Step away in you sort of reclaiming it in a way that you really take pleasure in. I guess with the Paparazzi while it was like the money. So crazy. And go hooked on that and it was like, wow, sh, I. IF I made say I may twenty thousand dollars a month fray another photographer would show me is checks for fifty thousand a month just to kind of rub it in. Some of these guys are making crazy money. It was like you felt you look back at any like is in also I was complaining making fourteen thousand dollars a month like what the Heck's wrong with you, and then a son it was like you know you making all this money but you hate it. So. Now it's like, I don't care if I as long as I could pay my rent and I get to take pictures that I wanNA. Take I'm happy I just pay my bills either needs to make twenty thousand dollars a month from happy making my bills and my rent but enjoying what I wanted to because the worst thing can happen is you have fifty and we've done is spend your entire life chasing money doing things that you don't want to do and now that's it Europa Still, cycling last snow. The dog got me I was a racer and a Baroque I was broke my columbine. Fifty miles per hour on a race going down. And then the second one was I broke my hip and it was just like the medical bills over him and the just too much like sixty thousand dollar operation for the Columbine and the the hip was two years of recovery. So like that's enough. and. My wife would divorce me anyway. So What was the process of putting together the book? 'cause he's Phantom of a long period of your career and a lot of those images like you said, when you were working were work images images, you're producing in order to earn a living. Was it like to sort of revisit on those all those photographs in putting together in this way MS party a year process with the book putting it together Brian Stories I kind of I I I wanted like something like go bike to. Twenty thirty years from now and look back at some of the the funny stories at and so those were kind of done and then it was like working with the public show where you know they've been, you know they've been in this business a lot longer they know about publishing item. So I was like, Oh, we're going to break down these free categories. It was property I worked with curators on it because it's it's I find it too to go for my work enough. So that helped doing that but is. It's not an easy process putting a book to go. Especially, they needed free hundred images for as a lot of pictures. A lot of work like it's pretty packed and I left out a lot of other stuff that in like my nine eleven work obviously didn't fit into the book. You don't want to be like negative Downer in the. So you know that's like another book that I'm working on. The nine eleven stuff and revisiting it twenty years later. I was very happy how the book turned out, and then obviously with the Amazon and all the stuff that's going on sentences been that was kinda surprising to be honest. The Knicks I didn't expect the book is going to do as well as it did. Was surprised you most when you? Had a chance to take a look at the. Total. There's a lot of work and I simply by the utterance like I've done a lot of different things photography wise when I look. At six hundred images on my hard drive. And like. I've gone to me a lot of very cool people are gonna a local stuff over. Pretty Short Period I. Think Twenty Four Years I've been in the business and then maybe another five years prior to that shooting. So so a lot of work and it was like seeing both for me, it's just great to have something in print like I you know I prefer print over digital it's just not the same. So having a book is nice and. Going to printer and getting your work printed off his nice. Yeah Ganilau who Wonderful job on. Yeah. I is very happy with that. Shot lost of since that I wish I'd gone in the book unite, but that's that's the way rose. Was always next book. Kala. Let's. But my last question which I ask each guest is I asked them to recommend another photographer and it can be anyone someone you've long admired or someone you recently discovered. So were there photographer being why? The one the one I gravitate to's dead. Unfortunately that's on a newman. He's as a someone inspired me from college. And funny actually you lost guest Wayne Michaels. Here's another one that inspired me when I was young when I was like in college I used to try to reproduce kinda similar sequences they used to do. while. Like modern. Day photography. The tough. Toffler. Living, Living Guy Living Mike My. Favorite out gotta has thanks. To God amazing. Yeah. I his early work. On to me is on the whole of playing failed. Thank you so much man I really enjoyed the conversation and the book. Thank you so much. 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Hour 3: Mike Griffith

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Hour 3: Mike Griffith

"Dead, more time to listen to yours, truly by going to shell and getting things done at once I. Fill up with Shell v power plus then save up with the fuel rewards program finally, snack up to save even more at the pump make the most of the stop you need to make with Shell. Pride. Passion and pattern three of college football leaves here the. Paul Finebaum show our three podcast. Secondhand the show is live. We are one hour away from getting some indicator. From the pack twelve remember they shut down on August eleventh they're expected to come back today. But when we talked about that issue with Jon Wilner in the very first hour Jeremy Pruitt or contract extension, we'll talk about the dogs in a couple of minutes as we get ready for the first weekend of college football in the. Sec let's check in with Felicia who is in Fayetteville good afternoon salacious. All thanks for taking my call. there was a gentleman, the ask a question as you're also interested in why they're having coaches where math even when all the other players have been tested when this first came out, it was related to age that the coaches or in the age range where they would be greater risks in Asia, the players. There's also. The issue. Of. That that, some of the players may be a little bit. You know positive before the tasks are done. How many times a week? So that's is the rationale behind it and is age of the coaches in SOCI- to keep them safer than they do the players. I think as well. Felicia it does transmit a positive image for fans. If they see a car Nick Sabin wearing a mask around a bunch of people maybe they will to. Yeah absolutely. It is something we need to do more of in our. Country because it does play a part in not. Well. Thank you for sharing that I really appreciate it, and it's always good to hear from you Greg. Is Up next. Hey, Greg, you're on the air. Hey Paul. Did New Jackson Mississippi. I. I I'm Colin I love your show I. Listen To you and watch your lot. Thank you greg. And I really respect your opinion and how you come off. Paul saying I have a lot to say those short amount of time. But I really respect how you come up and how you display your opinion. I'm a real big college football fan sec like that's my cream I. Love. I hear the FCC fans now support the BLACKHEAD, all black kids that play all these SEC teams. Howdy I'm not giving us. Now, we come Jeff I. I have friends that played Lsu and. MISSISSIPPI STATE, go down a list of schools and they look when they go to these schools they so love people in these expand and they're they come to your school have a political issue of probably just normal abuse and treatment. We're not saying we're perfect right for people. We're not saying we just want to normal treatment and they don't get on board supporters. We're not asking for just unfair but we come through your cool. We can easily just say we're GONNA, go ABC you and just deal with this we'll do they. 'cause I have a bigger profile you have more money. So we do support you got. and. All we ask them to support that. I wanted to support a fact of all to the issue is an obvious issue is not even at difficult issues so he would see you understand. So I'm I gonNA blatantly overlooked effective maybe a lot of people are acting showing their real crew phillies maybe all real racist, but I am. Saying I am a cookie fame. But maybe I? Don't think anything except that we can. Go Out and save it. You know. So that's how you wa, that's who you are who really if they deal with it, but I want to save your food and if you don't want to respect our coach who we are so want us to play why you want the player is you'll like us we have problems on quarter we support you I have wife or he wouldn't be white food when they have a problem I'll have political dispose all my friends off your right. Now I'm back are lifted something immoral or something like that. Well normalized. Almost supportive. So that's all I'm saying is why are you saying the main ones? All black young means or their team black? We're that program you ain't got back all people. So we all have our every you'll your support of soup I just feel slighted by the fourth. The fourth way is raring. We flipped. Come Home Shopping Lou come. That's all I want to say. Thank you greg really appreciate you calling in how about mark of next in Tennessee hello mark. Okay mark you're on the air. This Jason on. Sorry well Jason but go ahead. We'll. Give you. What you think about this, Dion Sanders and his coaching staff Jackson State. It's interesting because. This. Is One of the most significant hires We've seen for a historic black school and I think you know based on what we just heard from that other caller. I think some A. Player's going to gravitate I. Know I know he picked up a player from in State yesterday and? I think Dion Sanders is going to attract players that normally would not have considered going. To. School. And I think that's great I really do. I'm a live over here close North Alad you and A. Play I guess they're in the same conference and I thought it was very interesting to get Terrell. Owens. In a Warren Sapp. Well, you know the one thing about. I mean he can. My. Only concern about. How committed he'll be after. After the cameras leave but. But Hey. It's a really good. It's a great place a tradition down there and not a lot but enough and I could see him getting into. That's good. I've covered that that lay before Do you think it's A. Stepping stone. Into coach Yeah. Steppingstone Dion says that he'll be there his entire career I'll be more than happy to make a wager but. There were some people that want to be on at Florida state last year. So. I. Think if he does well, he could become a much-desired coach I mean we we have to see I mean I all he has to be able to show that he knows. not only the game but had a coach college. He's married A. Girl the attention that's how I. Listen, we had the Jackson state interim coach on a couple of weeks ago and you certainly a nice guy but. You know you say you say Dion Sanders is on is coming up in a minute people are going to pay very close attention. Thank you and. We've seen some of that in basketball where some some young players are saying you know what I want to play for historic black school I think. I think because of the conversation in the country you may see a little bit more of this. Maybe I'm not saying you're going to see a lot of players, but in basketball it, it it it mattered one player basketball. It makes a lot more matters a lot more than a player in football and and I'm all for it early in my career I. I, covered grambling. Times and I. got a really good education into the tradition of of that of that I was covering should be valley I want with coach Robinson Eddie Robinson over to one day to Mississippi Valley Yeah. But this is a really good is a really good leak and. Produce some unbelievable talent Jerry Rice just for just to start. Let's take a break and we have a lot to do on this program. We appreciate you all being here on a very busy day where we going GonNa talk a little about Georgia bulldogs coming up here in a second, which what's up with a quarterback situation and what's up with some of their players trying to go elsewhere. My Griffith from the Atlanta Journal Constitution he will join US next. Soon listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. And we are back here and let's talk about the Georgia bulldogs as. Their game might not be that difficult this weekend in Fayetteville but what about the quarterback situation? It was about a week ago and my griffiths joined this with his feeling about who should be the star Michael rejoins us a number of issues to discuss Mike. Always great to have you on. Let's let's start with the Cuban situation. What are you here? Yeah you gotTa Be Dorm Math Paul I mean of jt Daniels still isn't cleared this week. I mean really last week. If he wasn't cleared, you gotTA prepare with who you've got doin', Mathis Jt Daniels, very different style quarterbacks. So I think you're gonNA see Dwan this under center maybe some Carson back maybe some Stetson Bennett up but likely one mathis in quite a story book start. This will be Paul. When you look at Guan's background the brain surgery the flipped from Ohio state I mean it really is something else away way this is laid out. Mike, let's let's take a deeper dive into this Georgia season everyone knows. Maybe, not everyone but some of us to have been around those this. It has been forty years ago since Georgia last won a national championship dogs have come close There's so much conversation about that was curb smart as he faces a season where the media who voted thinks Florida is going to be the SEC champion I know you don't agree. Well, you know it's interesting. You Know Florida and Tennessee, no that stat about the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty championship as well as anybody it's been forty long years in and actually Paul George is going to break out some special uniforms for this game against Arkansas they're going to try and Harkin the ghost of Herschel Walker going back to the sixteen. Fifteen Georgia win over Tennessee that started the nine thousand, nine, hundred, eighty national championship season for the bulldogs when Herschel Walker ran over billy based one of the greatest Georgia memories ever course Herschel went onto. This incredible career Rush Rover Five, thousand yard I mean think about Herschel Walker, just a second let me just throw back to the old folks this guy, six, one to twenty two, he was running the ten, two, hundred meters. He's faster than anybody on the current Georgia football team obviously some great things pro record twenty, four, hundred yards in the US f. l. in hersal still looking like he could play the game alternate fighting the Bob sled stuff I mean such a storybook career for Herschel Walker commemorate it red. Pants. White Jerseys at razorback stadium on Saturday. Hard to know which teams which. Griffey ride It is an amazing memory to see that the only been forty years. We were both. You may not have been born yet. Let me talk to you about something that has. Speaking Tennessee? The Kate may situation remains a topic of conversation. Otis research has been a topic of conversation. Now, these are two young men who left Georgia to go to Tennessee in almost respectfully, and we have heard nothing but Angst, and anxiety from fans lately what do you know about those two situations? Yeah understandable. You know both these guys WanNa. Play football point understand that the problem is that the eighty s and the president's from the SEC schools voted on this rule I mean every year they go down to Destin they gather they talk. They make rules they make denims to rules. This rule was last adjusted in twenty eighteen just just two years ago, and they all agreed that, hey, if you transfer within the league, you gotta sit out for a season unless there's a postseason ban involved right? There's a provision for that. None of those provisions apply decayed maze oaths or or Joey. Gatewood. The Auburn quarterback that wants to play Kentucky this year and so great sankey is merely upholding the role that. His ADP's his presidents voted on in Dustin Florida and the sad part is or maybe the unfortunate part is I think in January, we're GonNa see this passage of the one year transfer rule where kids have that ability to transfer without sitting out a year but that's not gonNA happen till January. So it'll be interesting to see if Greg Sankey in the SEC make some special provisions and if so were they need to get the voted the president's in the. To change their own rule that they voted on just in two thousand eighteen. Now, I know some fans have blamed Kirby smart. He's an easy target here is. I know the rules rules or anything he can do or is he? Is he overruled by the rule? Kirby Smart said yesterday that he doesn't have control of it only said, he has supported guys that have gone to schools with an opportunity to to play right away I know they'd got divided Wilson Down there central Florida right now it's really hard to know who said what Georgia says they can't reveal a lot of the details. You Know Kirby lot bigger fish to fry than worrying about came as right now or Otis reese I mean. He's got this quarterback situation Paul and there's some real questions about where this George offense is going to go. If they're going to win a national title, you know they're going to need to see some things happening quarterback. I'm. Dwan Mathis you talked about earlier this guy's raw. They're going to be somewhat limited against Arkansas. No you ought to be good enough to beat them but you know this guy that was once committed to the Ohio state and. If it wasn't for Justin fields transferring to Ohio state, we have a completely different script here was when Justin fields started talking with Dwayne Haskins that doin mathis flipped and said, you know what? I'm going to go to Georgia and then he has that brain surgery may twenty third and we think well this guy's he's not going to play college football but here we are sixteen months later and doin verges starting and we all sit back and wonder could he be the guy or is the guy waiting in the wings in the form of JT Daniels? That's a completely other story. Let's let's talk about the schedule and the gators because alluded to it briefly that the media voted Florida to win the. East. Whatever that means doesn't mean much but the gators, the gators are obviously the that key game as always. On the Georgia schedule which begins this weekend and then it gets. Harder. With Auburn and Tennessee the next two weeks then at Alabama at Kentucky Florida on the seventh. At Missouri State at South Carolina and Vanderbilt. Your thoughts on on the dogs and what lies ahead for them. In spite of everything you've just got through saying about the quarterback situation. This is a year you know we talk about traditions starting out the year for Georgia and celebrate knows uniforms. But this is a year where tradition could cost them. You Know Georgia's designated home game. This year is Florida but as of now, they're playing that game in Jacksonville and I still think plan on the roads a little bit of a hurdle. The home team doesn't have all the the crowd and all that. But when you've got to fly somewhere and you've got to stay the night I, mean, that's just a bit more on. You then staying in the comforts of the same home hotel and in the familiarity and this is a year. Now we're Georgia really only has four home games because one of their home games is in Jacksonville. Conversely, Florida has five home games plus they get to play Georgia in Jacksonville something to look for I wonder if the gators will bus over the day of the game only being seventy miles away or will they lost the night before but could that little advantage make a difference? You would hope not you you would think not but. As E. season where Georgia's got four very difficult games leading up to a Paul Listen. You don't the margin for error that you had with Jake Brown, love him or hate him. The guy was a third year quarterback to could make a lot of things right at the line of scrimmage but now he's gone. So when you play the tennis in the Kentucky's in the Auburn's, you don't have the margin for error that you had with an experienced quarterback Alabama you better bring your best game to Tuscaloosa you won't win that game. One of those home games, the dogs have I think is against Dander Belt I mean Mike I understand where you're coming from. But some would construe you is already making excuses in case the dogs don't win. Now. I'm just laying it out for you. I don't even know Vanderbilt team by the end of November. They have so many guys opting out in the way Kobe crisis is gone. I. Mean Think about it. If you're vanderbilt and you haven't won a game yet, what's the motivation to come back for another season? It's certainly not the way your administration treat you with facilities that the hand you and you're the priority that they make you. So I'm concerned about Vanderbilt you think I'm not joking I'm concerned about vanderbilt finishing the season but no not excuses. I'm just saying if Georgia had their druthers, they would much rather have a backloaded scheduled in. Schedule because this offense I don't WanNa say it's keystone cops but look jt Daniels is a talented Guy Right? He had three three, hundred yard games his freshman year with the TROJANS. Now he had three different guys calling plays it didn't go well, they were five and six I get it but he started last year with almost three hundred yards in the first half well. Against Fresno State and for that ACL, this is a guy and I'll say this about transfers, Paul because a lot of people say well, so good wedding he stayed there. You know what? The last three heisman trophy winners transfers the three finalists for the heisman trophy last year transfers sometimes you get it right? The second time jt Daniels, had the opportunity to. Handpick Todd Monk in the Georgia offense coordinator and todd can had the opportunity to hand pig jt Daniels. So we have to see when and how this George offense comes together unless want mathis goes out there and and he pips them inputs on an incredible performance in six six to ten he runs ten, eight hundred and he cancelling it downfield pretty far. My enough. You voted in the SEC media poll but how would you cash your vote in the SEC? I have stained I preferred to say objective on this I did not vote I would've picked George Win East but not not because I think they're that much I just don't think Florida's that I look at Florida and I understand maybe these other people like their uniforms or something I don't know cal Trask is coming back. There's some continuity with Dan Moan and in in Kyle Trask, but he lost what three or four senior receivers he lost his starting tailback they they return their offensive lying, but their offensive line was lousy. They had negative rushing yards through three quarters against Georgia last year and I'm not sure why I would think that Florida's going to do any more this year. Now they're talented they're getting better but I just don't see it in Florida. So. It's not that I'm picking Georgia because they're just head and shoulders especially again with this offense in this front-loaded schedule, it's because I'm not convinced Florida is going to be that much better than they were a year ago. Asked and answered as they say in court Mike Thank you all to talk to you again very very soon. If hopefully, next week appreciate the time as always. Appreciate it Paul Thank you. Great stuff you got it might Mike My Griffiths was the Zinger at the end to the the gators heather dentists in about an hour on what the PAC twelve could be doing today they may be coming back. We are going to get back to your calls as well. Right after this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. And Welcome back here Thursday afternoon and Augie is in New Orleans though what's up Augie? Paul, I did not know that you checked up on your caller. So if you don't hear from folks in a while, what do you send out a search party or an eight AP B. or below or above? Okay be on the lookout. A Bolo was something you'd through you know through it somebody and wrapped around her hits. Number six most influential person in the SEC. Do you take your responsibility seriously? Paul. Yeah. I. Kind of chuckled when when I read that the other day but. I take. I take this show. seriously. I. Don't know about that. But I do do take this one very seriously. Well I think he wanted to cut by some of the people that were in front of you. So I think you're at least you should be behind saving I. Don't have any doubt about that There you go. I'm sucking up but how do you plan on exercising your power in the interest of your fan base? augie I don't want to sound like a politician here, but to me, this program is really based and built on fans that was the genesis of the idea to take a local show and. Put it here, and there was a lot of a lot of a lot of backlash at first because of where I. Previously lived but I think, I think we've succeeded. We're seven years in now and Or six years in excuse me and I think this program is embodiment of SEC fan. So I I think the one thing I can do the only thing I can do to screw it up getting the way. Well, you know a lot of your old followers hate people like me I'm interloper and an in coacher. So there you go but you know yesterday I do have Something to criticize you one. You didn't develop the Washer Dryer refrigerator conversation with Jeff because I'm in need of replacements for all. I was waiting for a recommendation. Other than Samsung, do not buy. Samsung terrible. When I was when I was a kid. Think. We used to go down to sears and Roebuck and whatever and get the my mother would say walk in the Kenmore remember the Kenmore refrigerator more my mother would walk in and say, what do you have on sale I? Mean that's I. Never went to a store with my mother would that wasn't the first question? Remember Montgomery worked Oh. Yeah. I do remember we're Montgomery Ward. That's that is going way back. We'll what's with all the Canadians calling in and compensating US domestic issues. What's about I? Mean they got Justin Trudeau don't they have enough to talk about Earl Second though. We'll see this one screws up the country as much as Pierre did. Paul. Wasn't Pierre Trudeau, though that dated. Yes Mick Jagger's wife or ex wife yes bianca. Yeah. Sure Right I bet you. I'm in those about that. He did. He did give my my appreciation on that I don't think I. Don't think. Pierre. Has Been Able to top that one. But nobody can top Silvio Berlusconi in his bunker parties. This guys like seven-year-old years old partying with nineteen twenty, twenty, one year old girls I mean Jeez he's the Prime Minister of Italy. The. Mole. Yeah. The who was it Sarkozy One of the French president's married a supermodel but. But he was young I mean the guy was only like fifty he wasn't eighty-five. Now. More Code has wife to fifty five. You're right he went to. The new President Francis went the opposite direction. But Paul I think your last caller. Guest, he was talking about he worried about Vanik Dandy finishing the season. Did they finish last? they finished any season in recent years. which brings me to a topic that you don't like to talk about. But Hey, you're the most influential man in the SEC which coach is on their short has the shortest shelf life right now. To the must shaft is it mason or do they just mason because just terrible I don't know if Vanderbilt. Cares enough about football to make a change. So who do you think is the guy that's got the most to worry about about this season. considering that week of the season really is. I think I. Think the answer is nobody. And because I don't think unless we see just just something disastrous that there will be an appetite primarily to make a change or make a pay especially pay. The determination fee, the buyout, and that's really the issue with much. Yep. He still has significant buyout. I'm an mentioned a minute ago on the air now. Hey good afternoon Paul. You'd afternoon you know to to comment on argues thing in your comments if I'm not mistaken that thing was hitting on Pierre's wise long before Bianca. I. Think. That's the way the story goes. Yeah Well I. I think when you get to Mick Jagger mean I've read the Keith Richards Book. There was a lot of that going around. Okay. Just. A hell of a book to. Stick Book To. you know about the Washer and dryer refrigerator and that kind of thing I've been hearing a lot of commentary about how well they're Konomi is now I've had a great year. This is one of the better years for the economy being down on working class people, but it's not because the economy is so great is because Steph is breaking. And people are stuck at home and and just having to do what they have to your and the shortage of the shortage of washers and dryers and refrigerators says nothing to do with the economy it has everything to do with Cova. Plants shut down. And all the all the manufacturing was down. We're having a tough time right now trying to to put to put together enough systems to to you know to to go in all in houses, and it's because of the production was shut down nothing to do with the economy and I will take. A. Some issues with some stuff for her yesterday. I mean I was listening to caller talking about Jim be in the franchise quarterback to hell with that. I, don't call Jim being in any meetings if if I was going say. Who was your franchise quarterback? Who did you live on the most and was paid and you know who I'm talking about? He was Mr Four o'clock. Mr Pat Smith. And and he was always there and Yeah we'LL WE'LL PAT or Pat He now is hosting the midday show with. In Birmingham I'm Pat Pat Smith. who was the producer of the show for twenty some odd years. He created the show he? He's the one that came up with the idea. And it was his was his idea to making a more than a local show. I thought it was insane to anybody outside of Birmingham whatever listen. Out of all the Times you prior to the SEC network I never saw you without pat or pat without you. y'All were a team and and you were a of a team and when it comes to the most influential man in the Sec Mike's live hired that guy i. He hired that guy and ESPN hired you because if they didn't, you know what they going to compete against you and you were a mountain of boulders that they could not go through they had to go around. And that's not second up. That's just talent like it is those the facts and then the the relationship with year Mike's live is what it is and it's because you're good at what you do and you include the fans and I think he respected you mentally. And also her Jim mentioned something yesterday that I've never heard before he said he was depressed what the hell with that comment to he was dammed delusional. That's what he was. You have a good thing for illegal. We are going to take a break here on On, this program it's Thursday and heather dentists. In the next hour I'm just reading what the CUE cards so. We're coming right back. Listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. elmo. Paul. Mogi Him. Well I'm not shut am but I'm. I'm glad to hear always good to hear from me. I heard all these all stars calling today's. Drop in Salo. Appreciate you straightening out Matt from. Jack in the box yesterday I've been listening to Manchester call this show for four years talking shade. About a Stupid questions and all that sick of it. I have I keep up with some of your comments. You're quite a Paul's that. Everyday Yeah? Usually the first call of the day. Now guy originally called in and said, he didn't know who russ pro was, and here's a guy living in Valdosta. That's only fifty miles from altri Donahue Ross is this guy's? This. Guy Needs to do some. You know some background or whatever the hell but anyway. Let. Me Just get a brief complaint out of the white please. I hate to screening. Anybody and everybody can get on. I don't know why why. That is the case. Well. Let me Let me let me say this to you. We we had someone who did that for for a long time on the show, and that person is a way for the time being. So it is a little bit different i. hear you I I know exactly what you're talking about. And start talking about really good caller. Let's let's try to find Jimmy from. Chicago yeah. I don't know where Jimi Jimi was a regular he has been missing mean. Too many people calling in here talking nothing. Well, let me ask you a question themselves. What was the kind of like What was the first time you've called it? Was the first time you call it the show. Pardon will what year was your first year calling the show? Well I have no idea all can you remember back there I really don't remember a time on the show where you weren't calling. Well maybe I need to call again like legend was talking about. But Let me get to what I want to talk about. There's a lot of people calling in today and they're jumping up and down about SEC football and you know it's GonNa be like the good old days. No, it's not. They haven't done a lot of practice. It's going to be shocking to a lot of people really how it all goes down. And you you've tried to tell people back. And got those Cole Cubelic is trying to tell people that. You know most people that are real. No that that the that the football that we're going to Saratov going to be kind of shocking. It's going to be unreal. And that's chiefly my complaint about the whole this whole upcoming Susan Ball and it. Kinda like my attitude about baseball and basketball I've got admit the NFL football has been very, very good I agree. That consists. I. Can sustain myself on that definitely till the end of the year. But The problem for me overall is there's a thank nece and art officiality to the whole thing. especially. Without the crowds. And for years, Paul always talked about I really thought that football was going to go to some level. where? The football changes wind up on a sound stage they just pipe everything. Yeah. And I. And I've discovered with this season and would this impact that code and everything? That I really don't WanNa. See that in the future. I WanNa see an honest to god cheering crowd. So yeah that's just that's my view before I start. But Let me ask you this. L. No, I think you. which you said maybe true I don't know none of us are going to know I do think he. Shouldn't we embrace it? I mean, why should we be? Against what we're about to see. Well it's I mean I understand that it's better than nothing but You know the football up the college football up to this point because it's not the big boys, these mid majors and what have you, and of course, nothing impressive about. Except Clemson outs all and all those most those football games we've been simply horrible. That's that's why the NFL has been such got set on so. I could see myself being a a big time pro football fan for the rest of the season i. I don't have any expectations about Alabama Alabama's always been my team. But I just. I'm one of the contrary installed for alleged go is that Honest to God think there'll be an asteroid. Everything they'll be. It just it's just not real. Bomb will call you again. Talk to you again to. Well No, we've talked for many many years. Always. Enjoyed seeing. Paul L. Twenty. Can't. I can't. Yeah. Yeah I wanted to be one of those days. Where you know bunch of Bunch old-timers, Call Land, and shout down we'll we'll. Dedicate. Dedicate a shared into the the originals hey, thanks. Good to hear from you. We have to go to a break we're. Coming back with another hour including an update on the PAC twelve they're about to convene a meeting of the presidents have their digital will join US shortly.

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When Life Takes A Unique Turn

The Good Life with Stevie & Sazan

1:02:59 hr | 10 months ago

When Life Takes A Unique Turn

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one production available on spotify apple. PODCASTS podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts. Hey Fan how are you guys doing. I hope you guys. We're having a great week. We're so happy to be back with you here on the good life. Today's a really special episode before we get into our really special interview. y'All which is a great story. That is totally going to encourage and inspire you says on and I have got to be real with you guys. We have been going through a lot this past year and have a real conversation but it's not one of ho-hum but it's one one that will actually really encourage you to open up that closet and face that passion for that purpose that you have tucked under the rug for so long. I believe God is such a strong calling on all of our lives not just a calling of mediocrity but a calling that is specific to you. You have gifts you have talents. That are unique unique to you but if you open that closet you're going to face that thing it's going to be the resistance GonNa try and keep you from living in your purpose and today Fam- we're going to share the story of what we've been going through in all of the resistance that we've been going through and the see that we have had across to get to our purpose but I guess what it's been a rocky journey but it's been nothing short of miraculous. It's been nothing short of life changing and I wouldn't change it for the world. I can't wait to share this intimate message with you guys and also our interview with Natalie coming right up stick around FAM. It's it's about to get good an and welcome back to the good life. Oh my gosh. What a whirlwind whirlwind week at has been for us? y'All sich a weird time such a weird time in our life. y'All how many flights did we get into this week. We've gone into a few fights. y'All we've been kind of. It's one of those weeks where life sucks tax was just one of those weeks where it's like someone on the other ones like that sound like. WHO's the duck? Their conduct sounded like odd cat-fighting. I just there's been there's been this kind of I think it's just there's been a lot of outside pressure You know I think you have such a loving relationship but I realized when we get like this. There's something else in the pot trying to stir. Thank you see something our environment. That's causing us to get to these moments of feeling overwhelmed or like we're having like mental breakdowns. Or in this case this eweek teeny just decided to really show up with her terrible to phase and not take her navarine not go to bed till eleven o'clock at night for some crazy reason we couldn't figure out and so that can can also take a toll on you physically emotionally and we're just going to be honest like sometimes life isn't always good guys you know. And as we're working and figuring out like what are those steps apps towards living a good life in the middle of that God is GonNa Throw you challenges and there's GonNa be curve balls and there is going to be some not so good weeks in your life for not so good seasons of life and I guess if you can't already tell our voices like I just feel like this is all coming from us being homesick. Not Not not not homesick but not having a home. Yeah I mean and a lot of a lot of it comes from that I mean I. I was talking to my brother-in-law site site and I was like I think my breaking point five times. You know what I mean. It's like you're breaking point here like okay pick myself up in any breaking point again and this is not to be home. This is actually to to encourage anyone out there. WHO feels like they've hit their breaking point? I just feel like right now like I'm not unhappy. That's the thing I'm not unhappy. And there's a difference I feel feel unsettled and I feel uncertain about what's going to happen but I am certain that things will happen. Things will work out and it will be fine but I'm not unhappy happy. And it was listening to Rick Warren Love Me Some Rick Warren Soda You we went to Church in La for awhile. I still keep an eighty was just talking about how how happiness is a choice and one hundred percent agree with that and so I just to fill you in. I mean we realized that. We're not sure when we're going to go back to Los Angeles so if we're going to go back we're if we're going to go back and if we do go back for how long we're going to buy a house their BIOS here. The the truth is the wildcard that came at us after the holidays Because you know we shared an update on my channel. Like what's the current situation and we were like we're going to just stay in Texas through the holidays and then in January hopefully figure it outright. Because we've been here now for almost nine months you know what's gotten really tough in the equation. It's everything that we it. All kind of had in the back of our heads which was what if conceive fall in love with Texas and they don't want to go back to La and Stevie. And I have been going back and forth. We both feel torn you. You know. It's tough because I know that you grew up here in Austin. I did it so it feels new to me and I feel like this new chapter here can begin then but I can see how you would feel like. You're settling back in your hometown. And that's not something that you ever pictured for your life. Never Oh man. y'All I was always that person who it was like. I'm never gonNA live where I grew up always had my sights set on quote unquote bigger and better things. And I don't necessarily think. La's better than Austin listen and you're there and put a lot of hours in years into that city right and we just relationships I mean. I'm I'm such a relational person like on my priority list in life. I just naturally place relationships above many other things in sometimes maybe gets me into a little little bit of trouble but really. That's who I am as a person like I am a people person I love to interact with people. I love to secure good relationships. I love to have good relationships with people. It brings me so much joy it brings me so much purpose and I love talking with those people like I love having guys over for Cigar nightmare. Hang out we talk and the cigars just an accessory to our great conversation you know and it's like that's that's what I really love and I've just been really I feel like I have been split into but I I would have to say like even the other night and we had a conversation about like what if we don't go back to la in that kind of becoming a reality not really sad like that night but the next next day I woke up like my joy wasn't stolen for me. You know because I was just so I'm just so I'm say God I want what you want for me uh-huh and I don't even WanNa be blinded by my own selfishness. Just show me what to do right and I just know that I can rely on that in any season like even when I'm super confused and even when I'm really frustrated I can rely on God's leadership when I simply just looked him you know and I'm like this is confusing and this isn't necessarily what I would pick right now but I know you pick the best for me and so I trust you and if I trust you I can lean on that and if I can lean on that that gives me hope and it gives me joy. I think what we've both realized sized that you know. La has been amazing for us. Because that's where we left the nest and we spread. We're able to spread our wings and flying gene really grow closer to God while we were out there away from our families really. We were forced to have to kind of pave the way and find our finer unique purpose out there. You're in the midst of this distracting just culture in noise of Hollywood and then somewhere along the way we find out where pregnant with teeny and suddenly we were praying and praying about like God. Do we need to leave Texas. And do I mean l a delay and then we found this home there and God literally led us into that home with so many incredible signs and in that season of life we were meant to be in L. A.. And so now we're just like the community. We built there Eh. All of that stuff. It's like it's still there but why do we feel called to sort of walk the other way you know. And we're just kind of in the season season right now where we're just a little torn and at this point we feel like God has given us so many visions and revelations throughout the past nine months that we won't get into on this episode but we have confidence that God is sort of putting putting the ball in our court at this point. We believe that God is just like you pick. I feel I gotta saying you pick but he is also given me a lot of these reflections about you. Know our our family and practically where we're going with that and I don't know why God has shown me a glimpse that both both cities could really be home for us. So that's why we've been feeling like the whole dual residency thing might be a legitimate thing for us in our current life for the next three to five years but I love Texas. I Love Austin Austin but I've just grown this new found love for Texas and I see I don't know I see long-term us really building a life here and having a a place here where we could fall back on Texas. You know but I don't feel like our job in. La is done. You know I don't done in La so that's that's where we've just kind of been praying and kind of re shifting our plan a little bit I think and what Fam- I want you guys to hear is that I think in life you just have given so many choices you're given so many options What you choose to put your time into you know is is what will yield results? But also sometimes God presents like this other path and the interview that we're gonNA have with Natalie. Today is such a good example of this where it's like even though the thing that you're doing that Oh you're in is not a bad thing. There's something greater that God has for you and it's up to end. Yeah he gives us the free will right. It's up to you but the point is is that there's there's there's it's never just easy. There's always resistance. You know there's resistance of whether it's like money or it's like locating from La to Texas and you're GonNa Miss People People. I mean those are real things but it's like God if you trust him and you let him you know take you down a new path. He always always this covers you with more than you thought that you had before. And that's why I don't get so sad like I'll have times where I'm saddle have days where I think about all my friends or I think about this transition. Get Sad because I'm like man like a life that we had is just all of a sudden like not the same anymore but then I think about God and all all the things that he has done for us and how you know even seven years ago you know we had nothing you know and then we were able to pay for our own wedding and overcome everything with your family family. And I'm like God did that with us. That's right and so I look at a new path and just based on the the you know the resume that God has given us Mike. He'll do it again. You know and so I just wanted to have this conversation fan because I know there's so many of you out there that maybe you're living your life and you haven't really wanted to think about that other calling or that other thing that's kind of tucked away in your closet. Maybe put it in the past and you'd be like Yeah I. I don't really want to do that. Or maybe your whole life people told you you know you're meant to help people or you know what I mean you're meant to go into this field and maybe he didn't want that for yourself at at a certain time. But maybe there's this calling or this or this passion of this purpose inside of you that you have been putting on the shelf that you've been putting in the closet because you're scared of what it will cost you but what I want to tell you is that when you truly follow God and you listen for him and you let him lead he will cover you with more blessing basing in that thing. It's right in that calling in that purpose than you could ever imagine and yeah sometimes you have to sacrifice fun you have to sacrifice living in a certain place where her he'll bless you where you are and where you're going more than what you had before in Romans. Eight thirty it says God has given in every necessary resource to those. He's called equipping them to accomplish. Whatever he's asking he calls you qualifies you and then empowers you with the boldness to take the first step? Should you take a skill development course at a local community college. Maybe some of you out there hoping to start your own Bible study Maybe for somebody. It's housing an exchange student in your spare room for a semester Or maybe it's impacting your community by addressing those that are in great. Need whatever that calling that that tick that thing is no that when God calls you he qualifies you and then he empowers you with the boldness to take the first stop. I love that bonus has really been a big word for us. That's been the word of kind of been like a recurring word you know when we were. We were praying the other night. I was praying God. God what do we do you know. What are we going to buy where we're going to buy a house here L. A.? Or what do we do. And what's interesting is everything I said is when you trust God to lead you. Sometimes he will turn that that question back around on you and be like well. What do you WANNA do? And sometimes he lets us be bold old and make a choice and I was just praying. God said to me be bold. Because I'm going to trust you to make a decision and the other thing is is when God lets you make a decision. -sition he's with you in the decision that you make and if your heart is always posture towards him saying God I want to please you. Even if you think that you made a mistake he always turn it for good. You don't have to worry about like Oh did I make this irreparable mistake that I make this mistake that I can't repair and and he always turns it for good. It says in the Bible that he he he he uses things for the good of those who loved him. You know even negative things and so I don't look back on life being like should we should. We have sold our house in L. A.. No I don't question any of that because my heart has always been in. Our heart has always been that we're going to follow gods leadership no matter where that goes and that's why we had bought a house. y'All we could've bought a house in L. A.. As soon as we sold the house right but it was like we. We Wanna live a life that is following God and I have to tell you. I wouldn't trade this crazy tornado in turmoil of not having a house for anything because because the amount of things that we have gained learn about ourselves and about not needing things in materials in this season has way surpassed that the value of that has surpassed past the value of a five million dollar house. Or whatever the heck the house is going to cost. You know what I'm saying but it's like the lesson that God wants to do in your life he just need you to give some things things up so that you can truly learn something in your perspective changes and when your perspective changes you mature and when you mature you have more character and when you have more character God can use you because he trust you even more with these valuable things that he wants to give to you and so that's been the story I mean that's been the story of this last year. It's not just been nine months. It's in a year for us. I love what you said you said when you really trust God to lead you I believe that he he will feed you and I think that just really you can go back to the Bible when he freed the slaves you know out of Egypt upped and he was leading those Israelites and literally. They had no food. What did he do on their forty year track? You know. He Fed them he he. He clothed them. I'm he provided for them. You know he kept them safe. That's what a father does for his children and we have to remind ourselves of that every day because I'm human human you're human we all are and life can get us down. Sometimes our environment can get us down. What the world says about US can try to get us down but but it's so important to stay in tune with God and to check in with him just like we check in with our friends and our families when we text them and call them and facetime them so important? Four into have those pitstops in your day where you check in with God and you are in tune with the Lord and talking to him and it's amazing that can instantly make things is better in turn things around and kind of get you back on track. Today's interview is really really about all of that in another story. So the way Nori and it's funny her story and what we were just talking about both have in common with the story that you were talking about. When the Israelites were freed from Egypt they were walking away from Egypt and they came upon on the Red Sea and and Ferro had decided at this point he wanted to chase after them in either to slaughter them and imprison them and bring them? I'm back and when they got to the Red Sea all of the people who had been free to were so happy once they were freed once they got to the Red Sea and saw that Pharaoh was is coming they were like. Why do we do this? We should've stayed slaves. These people they said we should have stayed slaves because they met resistance right right after you make that choice or right before you make that choice. Before it's finalized there is resistance. There's a Red Sea that you have to cross right just like for Natalie and her story coming up to make the move that she had to make the the issue of money. How am I going to have money or there is the issue of what am I gonNA do or the issue of where am I going to live? You're going to face a major at the moment. Yeah we've faced major resistance in this process of being uncomfortable. What do you know what? Here's here's what happened. y'All he's at this Hack sing it in. So I knew you're going to sing that. God do in the midst of the store with your allowed. What happen is that? They were questioning in Moses. Roses was like you know. Obviously he had faith in that moment. God split the Red Sea and they walked through it. But what's so interesting. Is that so many of these Israelites. These these people. We're just enslaved for so long. And they're being killed and enslaved in their lives or terrible all the Sunday. We should go back because we don't want to be killed because they met resistance and family. You're GONNA meet need that resistance. There is going to be something trying to pull you back to what you consider as comfortable but if you never crossed that Red Sea in your life if you never face that passionate Schnur purpose that you've tucked underneath the rug you'll wonder when you're seventy five years old. Should I have just done it. Should I faced a hard season for six months a year or or or even sometimes a couple weeks if I had just been willing to cross the Red Sea and had faith enough to to face the resistance. What could I have become to believe? I believe that you weren't doing it alone. And that God would be there with you by your side. Leading God's split the sea in whatever storm. You're in right now in your life whether it's at a crossroads with your relationship or crossroads in your career or maybe this you're at this crossroads where you're like. I I think I chose the wrong degree in school. Whatever that pivotal cross roads moment is for you for us? It's the journey of our house. And where we're going to actually get planted and move forward. Let's all think about that in just move forward knowing that we're going to make that decision that you know what. I'm not doing us without God. I'm going to trust him to lead me. And I know that when I let him lead me. He's GonNa feed me and he's GonNa fuel me and then when resistance hits because we know it is God's going to be there for you to split the sea for you to walk right through it. And then there's the breakthrough you know and that's what you you guys are going to hear In today's episode when we talked to Natalie Green She is incredible inspiring woman that I had the opportunity to really get to know all the nine days that I was in Rwanda. She is the head of their strategic partnerships and development over at Africa new life but beyond that her personal story. It is just so inspiring. We're GONNA share that coming up with you guys and how. She walked through the sea in her own life and in some of the storms that that she's had to face and overcome all that when we come back they fan this week sponsoring the show. Lacroix water is back again. If you guys haven't tried Lacroix sparkling water. You've been living under a rock. How many times do I have to tell you guys you've got to trial across sparkling water You guys know. I've been eating really clean the beginning of this year. I told you guys a couple episodes go. There boy was gonNA keep it nice and clean. 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We're going to get to the show all right FAM- we've got my girl Natalie Green in the house and we are so excited that she's here to hang out with US Natalie. How's it going well? Well it's a beautiful day down in Texas. It's a little confusing on if it's winter or not it's cold but it's you know I I love that and I love that right now. We're in the same state in the same city. Actually we're both in round rock which is super close. We'll have to get together soon. have a play date like we talked about. Yes when and we're all better from these allergies and everything I know are two year olds are going to hit it off. I just know it all right. So let's just jump into this natalie man when we Had our time together in Rwanda which was almost what two weeks ago. Wow time is flying. I just remember having this this life. Changing experience Being in Rwanda and being able to See Life through the Lens of Africa new life and everything that we got to do. We actually spent last week's episode talking a a lot about that trip and I was just so inspired by some of our late night conversations that we had and just your heart for African new life the Children Grin and just for people in general. I feel like you are somebody who is really a connector. And you're so encouraging and I know that your own life story worry in some of the things that you were telling me that you've had to overcome It's really incredible to hear you when you talk about it because you know hearing you just speak from such chill relatable standpoint I thought wow we gotta have natalie on this show to talk about just how you've overcome some of your own personal challenges in both is your personal life and professional life and starting out you know if you just want to tell our audience a little bit about kind of like your life before Africa new life and just kind of walk us through those days yes absolutely thank you for having me. It's such a joy to get and be on your show and it was such a joy to get to know you and such a I think Rwanda just throws you into this mix where you you go deep really fast asked which is such a blessing you know in this day and age. I feel like just to connect with people and really things that are important to you. And I know we've been overcoming the jet lag the past the couple of weeks but yes I know I loved getting connect in Rwanda and just share. I think yeah I mean for me. I'm a Texas girl and I was born and raised here. I went to the University of Texas but I found myself after I graduated from from. Ut Up in New York City. And I really thought I was going to go. Oh for a year you know I was kind of like pay. I not real sure what I WANNA do next. I always loved children and I. My degree is in child development. And that's always been my background. I knew I would do something with kids but I thought I was like well. I have this time in my life just to kind of be. You know. Fancy free and footloose and So I had a friend who was also wanting a change and so we agreed to move to New York City. She's from California when we had met through young life in college And we both in New York and I literally down myself there knowing what I was going to do but I had been a teacher per year out of school and I had kind of this summer to figure it out because I had three months salary I was going to just go up there and see what God had for me and I started circling job. Many times ended up getting this job. I starting out as an executive assistant to a woman who was the. CEO of a small Wall Street research shop called Sanford Bernstein and it was amazing getting because within three months of me starting with her she actually got asked to be the CEO Smith Barney internationally and so she moved over. She was thirty seven years old and She moved over to that company and took me with her and that was really the beginning of this journey. where I thought I was going to be You know in New York for a year and just kind of have some flying and it turned into over a five year career In Manhattan on Wall Street and the Knicks of all of this at the same time she eventually became the CFO city group you and then the CEO Merrill Lynch Bank of America and just this incredible almond she was on the cover of Fortune magazine in Being the called the last honest endless this was at a time when integrity on Wall Street was really important and they were separating investment banks from from private client essentially sleet and so all of a sudden. I'm there literally twenty four years old. I didn't have a passport. Like you know you need a passport like next week. You you know like going around the world on a private jet would this private fleet with Citigroup all over shaking hands with people and getting to just learn an alongside her. I knew that I had a lot to learn and I definitely recall and reading Wall Street for dummies literally like in the Hong Kong Mandarin Oriental. Orientale hotel with amazing and it was whirlwind of an opportunity for me which I am so grateful for I am and you know simultaneously. I found a church in New York that I laughed. Pastor was from Texas. It felt like a little bit of home. You know in the work in on At the same time that my career was taking off with her. I also my my pastor returned from Wanda and he had been there here on. This was back in two thousand two and he gave us the opportunity to sponsor a child in Rwanda is a different organization. But it's Kinda neat. How this this kind of was happy at the same time? Right so I sponsored a little girl much like you have sponsored flurries and my career kind of took off where I wasn't able to ever go visit her. The first you know five years I slaughtered her through my church and It was kind of a series of events where I ended up Taking another job with a hedge fund and taking a month off in between switching and switching companies and I went to Rwanda founded and I met her so five years after I'd started sponsoring her and this was in two thousand seven and really changed my life and rocked my world. Aw Man I will never forget her. Stepping off of a van and coming toward Zena Light Pale yellow dress homes and It really really like it's sort of like time stood still because all the sudden whereas you know five years into this career New York which I I loved I mean I had so much approach I I gained so much insight experience. I mean truly experiences that you know one could ride about like you know being Giddy to be on conference calls. They've Hillary Clinton and Queen nor my us you know or Getting to be part of events and meeting people of influence and just incredible opportunities. Mike My boss sat on the board of things ranging from Carnegie Hall the Columbia Business School and these incredible opportunities for me and also getting to make a solid stable able income and be living in Manhattan and having fun with friends and getting to travel and taking music tidying side trips in that kind of thing but here I was in Rwanda and truly time stood still where there was something in my heart which is connected immediately back to my first love which is really truly advocating advocating for children and and I realized that had just been kind of fast and furious but it was neat because I think within kind of that next year of coming back to New York and then being on a trading floor and being in a hedge fund environment just listening kind of in the solitude of my heart. You know outside of work works that my my first love was really back now in Rwanda my heart state there you know and I couldn't take it and it was one of these things were a lot of processing went on that next year just to kind of go okay you know. What is it that I really feel led to do because I think at this point for me I came to realize that I was at had this amazing opportunity inexperience in had learned so much? But it wasn't my life you know I was. I was working for someone else's lie I which was an amazing opportunity but when I started thinking back to what my call was and my passion in what made my heart come alive. It was. I was thinking about that. Little girl in Rwanda. That's where my heart started beating fast and I knew at that point. You know I needed to make a change and for me this is I was approaching thirty so it was kind of dislike monumental time for me too. You're going okay. I thought it was going to New York for a year and here I am. I'm almost almost thirty and also kind of two. I know that y'all have Texas roots to all my friends from growing up really had kind of you you know quote settled down you know had gotten married and having children and stuff like that and I kind of got a little nervous to in my heart like okay. I could stay in New York forever like it's kind of. It's gotten into my glad I love it. Made your friends here. This is an exciting career. And if you continue and there's nothing wrong with that at all but I also had this tension internal conflict in my heart because I felt like one and a calling of mine had been placed early to love and nurture children and onto. I always wanted a family. And that's not to say you can't have it in New York but I wasn't finding any margin in my life on Wall Street to you. Think about that the Natalie at what's interesting about your story is that you know. So many people talk about how you know in instances like this where they were unhappy and maybe they had a good opportunity. They're unhappy but you know they realize they're calling and so they moved on but it sounds like to me that you were happy you know you were living a fun life. You know that New York City you we know that yeah that cool girl life you know with a great job in great opportunity but then all of a sudden. It's like you know you you meet this child in Rwanda and you have this encounter. And it's career wakened towards your purpose. I mean what was the biggest resistance that you felt a few things. One was just fear right of of walking away from stability. You know like I was earning a great income. And and that had you know when you when you go Through experiences in life where that isn't the case. And then you have that it's hard lay that down and not know if it's going to return or if it'll be there You know to go into something like Ministry in nonprofit work in Rwanda you know you're not doing that for the income you know and and so it's kind of this conversation internally and and with other people and also praying to Lord and just saying okay. I do WanNa do this. You have to trust you that that was a big piece of it. Another piece was just like leaving that life like you said like it was exciting. I loved it. You know like and there's nothing wrong with that and and that was gonna be hard. I had a lot of independence there and and then but but then there is on the other side of it. What these great things were happening down in Texas? My parents had actually been divorced for eleven years. And we're getting. They were getting remarried to each other. and which was really amazing and my sister and her husband were having babies so I was becoming an aunt and I was far away from my nephews and All these great things were happening so I also felt torn on the other side like I wanted to get back home. Your family and I wanted to be able to do something thing. That was really my first love and and when I thought about an I know I can stand corrected on this. But I wasn't finding that I was going to be able to stay in New York and and do what I wanted to do. In terms of vocation and be able to afford that and so I knew that it was probably going to be a shift of location on although. I'm sure that that could change. But at that time. That's kind of where it was at the opportunity for me. Was You know that I I had a network down in Texas access to and I wanted to be closer to my family so that that's really truly what one out for me was. I WANNA be near my family but at least based near near my family and I wanted also this does I desire to be a mom you know and I didn't know how in the world I could do. See that all up in New York like how can I become a mom. Potentially on my own. If I wasn't married still I was single and I'm still single wall to this day. I do believe that Levin's in my future and and I don't feel like that is gone. I just thought like while I was thirty. And there are some real the things you have to look at you know like and there's a real kind of tick tock biological thing going on. There's just time and space and all that and being able to figure out while if I did become a mom in the next however many years how could I do that along with working and along with working in an area. That's passion Shen filled of mine. That may not pay as much as what I'm making in York and when you consider all those things I realized I needed to be closer to my village if you will you know support report that so interesting because there's so many parallels between what you were going through Matzos on and I feel like we're going through right now you know so many there such a love for the life you developed. You know what I mean but you feel this calling this this other this thing. You can't even quite put your finger on yet and it's literally causes you to have to move you know for us. A large thing is possibly moving ourselves back to Texas as well and we've been here for nine months and kind of in this state of purgatory trying to figure out what is going going on with our life but all the while I think these questions you know about what am I supposed to do. A lot easily answered when they're answered selflessly and a big thing in a big piece piece of resistance. I think you just mentioned and many people were probably listening. It's money or it's like even sacrificing relationships. I mean that's those are the two things it's like we love people and we love security so we don't Wanna see those things go away right and and obviously you're moving back home to family and such but I mean how did you even make like that transition moving from New York back to us and I mean it's easier said than done. I mean you hear stories of people that do it but it's like it's a real. It's a real step up of faith you know and it's a real bold move you know. And that's such a good question does not like we all get to click our heels and get to the next thing you know Like you said it takes awesome strategy and hard work you know and I ended up so I interviewed so I knew I couldn't just jump right over. Were into working for a nonprofit in Rwanda like I didn't even know like work with you know I knew my heart was there But what I doing was looking for similar work that I was doing in New York in Austin and it looks a little different but I was able to find A position with family office of former. CFO of a large company. Company in Austin nationwide. It's based here in in. He has family always able to do some similar work to what I was doing. Working with foundations he said and families In that way all the while coming in doing that but cut kind of keeping an eye out or getting to know the landscape group of organizations doing work in Rwanda and I knew that would take time so I was like well I. I've gotTA move. I've got to pay my bills. I still have to pay rents you know. I have have a have to paper across country. move all this how to keep working of course and so. I ended up finding a job in Austin that I was able to take and then in and do that and I knew I would commit to that where you know a a season and then I started doing some research really on organizations in Rwanda and what's really cool. Is that on. The Chairman of the Board of Africa new life ministries. His grandkids went to the school that I taught at for a year before I moved to New York. So it's kind of a full circle thing. I started putting bug out and people deers in a teacher. That talk said hey you this family that was in my class. You probably know of them. They just got back from Awan debt and this is ten years ago so it's not like you're hearing novel like just got back from Rwanda you know. Okay so I called them up and I was like can I have coffee. Can we connect you know so I connected with them and they put me in touch with their father. Who is the chairman of our board who then put me in touch with pastor Charles and the founder and president of apathy light ministries and our executive director? And it's kind of fun because at that time this is a little over ten years ago now. There were only four employees of African life. It had been volunteer led for over seven years seven or eight eight years. I think at that time and so when I came on when I talked to them they were like. Hey you know like we. We'd love your heart. We loved what you want to do. And Your Passion for children in Rwanda and wanting to godwilling spread this ministry parts of the country when I found Africa new life I I just loved it and there were certain things I was looking for that were really important to me and the most important thing was that it was founded and run by Rwandans. And that it was there weren't a bunch of Americans living in Rwanda trying to assert their cultural views on another country. I loved that it was Rwanda nationals. That were making the decisions about how programs should be run. The best way to go. You know helping this in helping that because I had been on a trip as I mentioned earlier with my Church Award and that's what I learned on that trip. It was an exploratory vision chip just looking at many organizations and ministries in. That was what I took a lot of notes Taking it all in like a sponge essentially just like I watch. TV Os's on two weeks ago. That was me you know how trip just kind of just why is wide. Open taking tons of notes asking a ton of questions and just wanting to understanding branding so when God kind of lying this meeting as re passer Charles. I was blown away because all the things that I kind of bulletin later in my notebook about things that were important to me African you like it. Every single one and I thought how beautiful that the first real organization nation. I even came face to face with checked every box. I mean I just know it was just a such affirmation I felt from the Lord as just like right right here in what was also what was cool about it but also hard about it was that they were not in a place to hire they worse still very small and they were like we want to keep in touch with you. Don't have a head count you know. We don't have the ability to hire right now and it was crazy Z.. All because I went back home and I called over my pastor's wife at the time and some of my dearest friends the pray with me and I knew in my heart Hartwig God is telling you to do so I I went back and had conversation with Alan my boss to this day. Where we've been there the longest if you've been in ministry together now over ten years and I just said okay? I mean this is crazy but I feel like I'm supposed to just raise my support for three years and let your catch up and then if it's working for Y'all and it's working for me then you can start painting after three years. Wow I love that you did not give up. I love so you didn't give up Natalie while it was crazy to a lot of people I'm sure why. Why are you leaving secure income and then you're going to go raise your support and make very little? It was kinda crazy talk but it. I knew that I knew that I knew in my heart. You know that. Yes the things when you know you know stories I save well with with your life in New York right. It's like you. You have all these things that people would obviously look at and be like well. I want that you know like we were talking talking about just the opportunity just to live a fun life in New York you know Being somewhat of a cool position you know and having fun and now your your life is completely changing. And there's the idealistic side which sounds good. You know and I'm helping people and all of that but you know what were the things that were. Actually you know the things that we're feeding you once you made that move you know instead of this money and fun and status and location. What were the new things that really kind of filled your cup? Once you made the transition from New York to new life oh absolutely I think Assure purposed list calling feeling this fire in my heart to tell people to tell the world about what I saw in Rwanda and What this country had overcome and such a short period time in this is even ten years ago? You know fifteen years after the genocide on. I couldn't get over. What what I saw? And that was a huge piece of it was just this passion and desire for people to know about Rwanda and didn't know what they had overcome and how how would a beautiful country. It was beautiful people and this joy that these people had with nothing and I thought man Dan I think getting on a subway every day and looking at people not interacting with one another with ear buds and not talking no living. It's like like yeah insular kind of world like just kind of not in. I want to also do US I. I moved to New York right after nine. Eleven and in New York is also very beautiful place where people came together. It was incredible so I want to be very I wanNA stay that way. That's not to say New Yorkers would have I love New Yorkers and back I think that they have the militias are with the hardest shells. But it's like I call him like an imminent in there like eminence Timothy. You've got this hard shell but it's not hard to crack. They're just chocolate on the inside. It's like a beautiful thing but actually I really feel that way but what what but the everyday light it what I'm talking about. What is experiencing New York? You would experience anywhere in the United States. It was an American thing. It wasn't a New York thing going to be very clear about that. Yeah just that we. We don't have to depend on one another right on community. Generally speaking we can live very independent of one. Another we you know in terms ends of our like our biggest needs food shelter water. We don't generally have to depend on our next door neighbor for that right and so we'll have the ability to kind of coming. Go into our houses and our driveways garages up our stairs. Whatever it is through our doors and kind of do our thing right and we're kind of coming and going and sometimes we don't ever say hi or even know the name of the person next to us right that is what really was jarring for me? What I saw was so different? Different in Rwanda was the way they live in community and they loved one another and one day. I said your kids and when you said my kids and we always we're GONNA make it work out together and John. Yeah I couldn't shake it. was you know it was it was so beautiful and it was so you know I grew Europe as a child in the eighty and honestly for me my heart for Africa came in one thousand nine hundred four. I was six years old images I saw. EPO PFM that. I think thank you know what I was seeing on. TV with flies on. Is these big bellies like bloated bellies not big bellies bloated from right deficiencies of protein or carbohydrate Just this sad sad sad thing that I've been to Rwanda. That's not what I saw. I saw joy I stopped community community. I saw love. I saw hospitality. That's what I saw two. Yeah and I just thought this I want the world to know what I saw and it just shook me night or you so I think that was what was driving to get back to. Your question is the that was a big piece of what was driving. That was that purpose in calling that I felt in working with children agent. There were you know I did see that. There were a lot of kids who needed a voice and you needed to be advocated for. It wasn't because they didn't have parents that loved them. It's that they needed you. Did they needed assistance to go to school and to have the same opportunity. I was so graciously given that I didn't even know such a privilege. We we know. And and just wanting to be able to communicate that to world or my World Natalie how house. How long was it when you When you had your kids like when you decided to to start that process in journey into motherhood with that was after I came Africa new life right so I had always wanted to be a mom And like I said I was kind of had that. Been Straight out of the women no you. There's little girls that like carry round into their little baby dolls and not a hundred percent and all like your little teeny little new dolls and the thing is like I really thought like in my twenties like when if you would've asked me in high school or in my twenty even in college I would have thought I would been this. Young mom in my friends would have said that too but you know that was not my story a and and that's not good about it factual like it was just not my journey. My journey had all these other amazing things and that desire to be a mom never went away. It didn't like you know never waxed and waned or never way always lax. That's the deal and so I always just kept getting building up more and more so I knew that that was I. I knew the older I got I had more and more of this feeling of I'm not GonNa miss it and what I mean by that is if if the day came saying where I thought I was getting closer to the age. I really needed to make a decision. I wasn't going to not be a mom because I wasn't married and that was hard because I come from you know the Bible belt in southern Texas and all that so I feel like a lot of people that maybe would not like that thought of becoming like a single mom or I call it a solo mama because it wasn't like I was in a situation where I was parenting with someone and then I was in it was that I made this decision to go into it knowing that that would be the case on and just in terms of also like you know custody sharing responsibilities for the for the child. Chattan parenting in that kind of thing and then also financially and for me. It was just that I wasn't going to miss it. I felt like what I had seen in the world where that there were a lot of children children who needed homes and I knew that I could be an incredible mom and I knew that I was made to be a momma. You know and God had put that inside of my heart and he also did me different characteristics in a a nurturing demeanor and different things that I really wanted to be able to love that way in so I also though so what kind of what happened is that I am I at some point said had when I if I get close to thirty five and I'm not married. I'm going to move forward with adopting and I'd always wanted to adopt and I had mentioned that starting junior high with my parents. So Oh I knew that I wanted to biologically conceive if I could and I knew that I wanted to adopt if I could and I always just thought it would be in marriage but as I got older I started. Realising leising WanNa do it whether him in marriage or not and so on I just felt led to adopt I in And so I went down this journey the of of applying and getting all the paperwork complete and it was a whirlwind. I literally finished my paperwork. In in December two thousand twelve both in February two thousand thirteen two months later I had my son in my arms. I mean it was crazy fast And so my little son Jude. I was born and I did a domestic adoption. Rip Him here in taxes and you know it was incredible there so many stories and I know shared somebody knew we. We're going and seeing the animals a how God was speaking to me and really showing me that he was on his way and My family and friends were incredible. Credible they were just wrapped around me and excited for me and like yes like you. You do this like you. Have you have your God with you in all of this like you are So strong in your state and you know that God is making your we are with you and me just cannot not wait to see. You know what it's going to happen here and I mean Judas just this light in the world he is a nominal you know and it was incredible edible to become a mom like overnight literally got a call on a Thursday and he was in my arms on a Friday. But I really do believe and I told you this that in that season prior leading up to him coming God was speaking to me and he was showing me that he was on his way. Just signs like I mean is crazy. This sound Scott used elephants to talk to me. And that's right. I remember you told me that on our safari clarify this yes. TV We should clarify for Steve here. It was just crazy. I'm not kidding but like I just have seen images and different things like with elephants and it was crazy like I mean even. I don't know how to explain it. But they kept popping up in like very specific ways and to the degree of like seeing in my name in a company next to an elephant in bloom and then like seeing different signs. I was embarrassed like in that. Fallen silencing elephants everywhere and there were all these like he it was a symbolism kind of thing like I just had seen them and important moments. I'd be having these. Did you look it up at the time and wonder like what do elephants mean. No I knew they never forgotten. They had a good memories and I knew that they were like amazing with their kids. Ads and stuff like that. But I didn't look it up and what's crazy. Is that the morning that I got him. When I walked in? He was covered in elephant. He risen with an elephant elephant blanket in an elephants. I mean it was incredible and it was just it was like it was like crazy. Crazy didn't it. Didn't it make you feel like God was right there in just validating and confirming and affirming every thing It feels so good. It's like God just puts that exclamation mark on on it all and it's just so cool. Wow Wow yes and I even shared with you to like. When I was the month before when I was looking to have when I was thinking about in January I was talking to my best friend about names and I told her I always loved the name Jude and she was telling me a story about her she was pregnant pregnant and on her firstborn is my goddaughter and she's telling me that if the baby she was pregnant with was a boy his name was going to be changed and she loved in the Bible that it said Said Juden James were brothers and she found that after I had told her that was the name I was thinking about new? She went read it so it was like I should go read jude in the Bible too. It's been a long time. There's only one chapter and opened it up and I read the and always liked to cross reference into the message and so I looked over in the message and it said in the very very first verse Judah mislaid Jesus Christ brother James Writing. There's loved by God. The father caught and kept safe by. Jesus Christ relax. Everything's going to be all right rest. Rest everything's coming together. Open your heart. Love is on the way and almost dropped I was like Oh my. I'm having a boy and his name's thanks jude. And he's on the way and sure enough. He was in my arms less than four weeks later. I just love that Natalie. Listening to this whole journey and story I think the underlying theme really in your life has been when when God has called you to do something. You're that first person that will stand up and walk in and not even know what to do like we said the Indiana Jones imagery of the invisible steps like you are living that life and it is so clear that God what has you and he has so many credible things in store for you but it just takes us being willing when we're cornered by courage to just take that first step and that's what you really are. An example of is is somebody who has done that in every area of her life and you are one to say like. It isn't easy but but you've been able to find this new found happiness by listening to this great calling that God has had on your life and I just it's so encouraging and I know our our listeners are going to absolutely love. Love love this message before we let you go. I just wanted to ask you you know. We just had this incredible trip in Rwanda window with African new life. We were able to raise some great money for the kids. I just wanted you to just quickly briefly kind of tell us what's coming up for African new life. What should our audience the and snow if they want to get involved? How can you speak to them on that real quick? Thank you so much and just also I wanna say thank you for what you just said and I know that you know this because you is that it it it truly is all God in it has not been easy and it's also been amazing and it is just so grateful to have Jesus cents because I I don't know how to walk the those steps out and truly the thank you and yet we had an amazing time on so grateful uses. This is on and our friends who came and just told people across the nation about Africa. Like maybe don't had never heard of Africa like what we're doing and you know we've got we do have awesome exciting things coming up and the biggest thing that we're really working on is that we really WANNA take Africa new life into different parts of Rwanda where we haven't been before because we know that there are a lot of kids who need to be sponsored to go to school and just like you're sponsoring clarisse you know the more people that we have on on-board whether that individual sponsors or if it's churches when it connect with us or businesses or organization that is kind of what we've got coming up. We wanted to literally double the amount of communities that were end so right now we're in seven. We're hoping in the next you know. Five years to be in enclosed at fourteen fourteen or fifteen communities across the nation of Rwanda which means that a church could be planted in that community in means that more people would be able to be sponsored answer to go to school and there would be that hardy lunch program for those students in that area on the way that we do that. Is We do it very carefully very responsibly. And we worked hand in hand with the government to be invited into areas of Rwanda that need that assistance in need that kind of jump start in their community unity so that things can begin to bloom because of of that church because of that community development this happening and because of all the students getting access to education. Amazing it's you know it takes me back to what pastor Charles said you know when he started Africa new life. He said that he told God. Like how am I going to do this. I'm one one person but he couldn't shake it just like you couldn't shake feeling called to go out there and it's amazing what happens when somebody else's troubles become your troubles troubles and how one person really can make an impact. When I found out that it cost eighty three cents to provide a kid with a meal? Six dollars a week six dollars. Give a kid a week's worth of food and you think about. How can I eliminate us? Maybe a starbucks drink or you know a movie ticket or something. The thing just to be able to provide for that kid and me being there out in the grounds I saw you know what one person really can make an impact and if we all really come mm together I really believe Rwanda. God is using Rwanda to really speak to this world and I believe that Rwanda's going to be that incredible witness for so many other countries countries to see that like if we all come together and start caring for each other. 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A Perpetual State of Irony

Immigrantly

54:48 min | 3 months ago

A Perpetual State of Irony

"The theater shut and the entertainment industry's basically not going to function because no theaters have seats that are six feet apart and even if they did everyone is being told not to go and anyone who does probably thinks there will smith and I am legend but they are not. I saw an Italian MP say that in a video recently as part of a warning to talion still roaming around and found it hilarious. And terrifying. A member of spotlight and equity I'm sitting on a time bomb. I'm not the only one but do you know what it's like to live by time limits? Sure. I'm no refugee but the whole reason I'm here has been thrown into disarray and it's no one's fault and I'll be fine I'm announcing a new project soon through my company but please realize the degeneration of young hopeful bright kids. We're told by people time and time again that they don't matter at all. Tuition housing, healthcare hopes, and dreams please park them and come join us all in Hell. No. The best part will be when we charge you for it. That's when we laugh all the way to the bank blood and tears of innocence dripping from our teeth. No. I'm sorry feel like you belong but the truth is you don't in it like I'm ish your well, you know I mean yeah you're Indian like this. Isn't really your home is I just you know what's the problem? country. Back. Right. She's like, yeah well, maybe I'm not ring the alarm and slap my passport across my face. All go back home. I don't need to sit around waiting for sunshine in a paycheck like really thank you. Now I might be angry anywhere. I go but it's better than being angry at the center of hypocrisy. I have so much aggression within me that I can taste meddle in my mouth. You know I see people born and raised here feeling almost exactly how I feel. So I've asked myself the difficult question like do I wanNA stick around. No. Yes. I mean, yes. All miss a lot of things but no, because no one should be treated this way. A global pandemic in the industry I wanted to contribute to a shutdown YEP KOMI. Selfish. But I'm pissed off this too shall pass I'll be fine and I'm going to launch project soon and I wish everyone good health and I know this isn't anyone's fault but. What I'm trying to say is If you WANNA know what it's like to live in a perpetual state of irony than just look at me and ask me my life story. Doesn't get more ironic than me I promise you. Thanks rare for reading a passage of your post on the immigrant experience during covert, which by the way for listeners, it is available on shares website if you want to check it out. So above the passage I found the piece. So lyrical yet line in my opinion had it sponge clearly you had a lot of emotions and thoughts on your mind when this piece was written. And I'm sure some of it has stayed with you and either may have transformed or the past few months now that we are in July the piece I believe was written in late March. So what are your thoughts now always is marsh seen Mike my thoughts haven't really changed much and the reason is the political landscape in the UK and the response to the crisis. Hasn't changed much. Now some people will be upset by my saying not, but you know I'm an international student or was up until recently and I'm definitely what you would describe as an immigrant and I have a lot of. Emotions because I've been here since I was sixteen. So it's a build up of how things like brexit and the hostile environment in this country has made outsiders feel not just outsiders even British Asian minority ethnic British people living in this country. It's outs. Made them feel so It hasn't changed much with a particular focus on the pandemic response just before this call with you I was just reading about how the UK is. One of the only countries who isn't Doing much to save the arts and culture sector a lot of countries are investing a lot of money into the arts and culture sector during this pandemic to ensure that they will survive and the UK is doing anything, which is a shock and a shame given that that's Not only the reason why I'm here but also because it's a massive part of the economy in this country. and very important. So why do you think you kit is not doing as much as you mentioned as it should be doing is stated reason is that will it's the current government which has been elected in the democratic process. However, my faith in democracy living. In the last ten years has dwindled a lot so. I mean that the response to the arts is not surprising given the current government but these are really unprecedented time. So when you hear about European countries helping their art sector and having a sensible in my opinion response. To, a horrific pandemic than you would expect the fifth richest country in the world to also do that for their cultural sector, which is, which is so well known for everyone knows London for film and theater. So yards, it's very surprising but yet at the same time, not very surprising. So I feel like pandemic is not the only thing that's on your mind because I was looking through your instagram post something that you posted a few weeks back which really was interesting and it stuck with me you posted this personal and painful decision that you made in regards to the Royal. Central School of speech and Drama Way You had received your MFA and you called out institution which basically funds your production company and you got them out on racism and by the way it's extremely cold. I don't know if I could have done that what prompted this public conversation and where has it left off so yes. It's definitely not easy to publicly call out institutions that you've studied at. But I have. Not to sound too cliche I tend to be quite anti. Not, just anti-establishment, but anti institution. So it's it's a bit easier for me maybe to do it, but still it you do feel. Anxiety end variety of emotions around doing that. There were just too many people too many students, alumni and current students as well. I was the postgraduate student body president. So I knew the administration, I know the administration actually so When I read the accounts of racism and if you look at the schools instagram page, there's just full of horrific stories and it's a drama school. It's a performing Arts Institute. So you know as artists, our guard and Very. Like sensitive empathetic. Most of the time people attend these institutions. So that level of abuse is obviously very, very damaging so I just couldn't. Not say anything especially given the fact that MC L. Studios, my company, I designed it and built it and sought the endorsement particularly to tackle racial and gender discrimination within the creative industries in London on the. UK. So for a top drama schools such as Royal, central, school of speech and drama to be publicly called out since two thousand eighteen about racism for them to not respond and for me to just silently accept the endorsement and just continue on just doing my work. It just didn't make any sense you know it it. It would be really bizarre for me to not respond to that in my view. So that's why I did it and also you. Know. It's been in the news for a long time in this normalizing of people saying their grievances and not being heard is an issue I take very seriously because I have personal experience with it. When someone says that they're being slit that they haven't experienced but no one believes them I think that is there's so many forms of violence in the world, but that is a huge form of violence to me. So that's why I did it and I interviewed one of the alumni and I posted online and I actually shared it with the school and they've responded and I think that the the steps you take towards making effective structural institutional change because there will be black. Students in the future who aspired to go to that university despite whatever damage the current reputation of the school is suffering from, and their experience should not be any different to a white British students experience and so yeah as as Alumna I I hope that was my responsibility to lend my voice especially given the I was on their board of Governors. So I knew the people associate I'm just curious to know what kind of discrimination are we talking about and you've talked about two different kinds of discrimination. So you're talking about discrimination that was specifically targeted at the black community that's one and you've also mentioned that you have faced discrimination personally as a person of color as. Non Black person of color, right so can you talk about both those experiences and give us an example especially, a person example of how you've been discriminated against short. So I'd start by saying that I think South Asian Community, which obviously I'm a part of as people of Color we definitely should not conflict our experiences with the black communities experiences because their experiences are very different I. Know You know that I'm just saying that as a disclaimer sort of I, know that I will never understand their experience but I, try to become a better ally everyday. They're the institutional racism towards black students is the way I've seen it. It's just an normalizing of microaggressions. So language that. Would not use and we have grown up knowing not to use particular words. I'm not going to say them but I, think everyone knows what I'm talking about black students at that drama school would hear other students say those things and. Professors would discriminate against black students. Because of their skin color, white students were asked to do black face because maybe there was a play that had slaves, but there weren't enough black students. So they asked the white students to paint their faces black. and perform and many of the black students ended up being called slaves because of the kind of literature and art that was being created especially historical work in period dramas that obviously touches upon kind of history. Now the problem I see with all of that is. There's no. Awareness or consideration placed on the fact that this is. A sensitive issue. Just for the sake of putting on a play that references slavery, you can't ask white students to do black face and I, think that's something that a drama school should be addressing. There's that. and. Then you couple that with female black students. So then you have race and you have gender and that conversation I had with the ALUMNA who whose post caught my attention. The most because sexism is is huge within elitist institutions and across a variety of academic disciplines and career paths, but in drama school. Especially, as actors as performers as women who are in the public eye on stage. It's a very tricky area because. There's so much room for judgment, not just your ability to perform or the quality of your performance or your skill or your talent. But also the choice you know, why are you choosing to be in the public eye? What are you doing and that reveals conservative attitudes that I disagree with and it's unfortunate to see those same conservative attitudes repeated by people at an institution that is designed. For And and creating professionals that enter this industry. So that's the kind of racial and gender discrimination I was talking about she was singled out for her skin color and for her appearance by professor who was teaching her at the time and she was just a teenager. So you know that's very uncomfortable experience to go into. She's international student as well. So that's you know that's a that's a black woman's experience and it is different to mine because she lives her pain on her skin in a visible way that the I don't. I'm obviously a person on person of color and I think the racial discrimination I have experienced has not been as overt. So it's not I'm not gonNA compare the experiences necessarily I don't think it's necessary or helpful to do that but It's not too so. I. Realize that I have set of privileges with enter room or talk to people or the way I carry myself. But. The Times that I felt discriminated against have as a woman have also been to do with issues around sexual harassment and gas lighting. So not being believed because of certain experience being ignored when you're speaking up too much that kind of thing silencing when you're to vocal about certain issues and when it becomes a race based experience is. When I'm of Indian origin and I'm been golly. So when I see people in this country, just a constantly ignoring colonial history partially not their fault they weren't taught it but. Being very uncomfortable around that conversation or calling me too intense or difficult for bringing it up to me. That is racial discrimination. It might not be the same as not being called the slave, but it's a denial of lived experience that I know that's like a overview of the of the experiences I've had. This is such. An interesting conversation share specially because. You grew up in India I grew up in Baga Stan. We assume that our culture is in our countries are patriarchal and they are. There are a lot of problems that women face in countries like India and Pakistan. But our assumption about Western society arrested cultures is that you know they are more equitable You don't see as much gender discrimination which to some extent. It may be true but it changes the dynamic changes. As soon as we land here and we see either because of our skin color where we come from or just being women it's to some extent not maybe ask Patriarchy but quite patriarchal in its own way and nobody talks about it even the West that it's too much focus on other countries, patriarchy and nobody. Looks Inwards and I think it's important to have these conversations to amplify voices so that people can reconcile with what's going on within these societies as wet, right? Yeah. I agree I mean I'm not a huge supporter of this particular text I think there are issues with it but Edward Sides Oriental Ism refers to what you were just talking about which is tendency to. Create a divide between the east and the West mainly as a claim of superiority and it's hilarious because I often you know with Bell I'm sure you've experienced this as well with relatives or friends who don't live in these countries they always have this assumption like Oh, you know your life must be so much better or easier because you have more rights or whatever else. But so many of the same issues that you face a country like India, being a woman you face here as well. In fact, the higher up you go sometimes the more it becomes apparent. So. It's levels of awareness adjacent to. Your drive and ambition as well, and obviously if you're accustomed to being someone who enjoys leadership positions, which I have been fortunate enough in my life to assume those things the older you get. And I'm sure this. This is not going to be should us to you the older you get and the more diverse groups of people you're around it can be really difficult for people to accept you that way especially. And this is this is a little bit controversial Wolf me to say I know. But especially in very stuffy white spaces where there's not accustomed to a woman who books different talking about things that they don't like talking about you know it's not polite dinner table conversation. So yeah, it's GONNA it. It'll be hard and there will be people who say, why do you make your life heart that way and? then. You have black lives matter and everyone's like Oh yes. We should pay attention and was like this talking about this five years ago but it's fine. We will. Now you can. You can start paying attention at least do it now? It's all about winning as long as you. That it's important. It's fine. I hope this conversation can sustain itself because I see that there is more commitment to black lives matter right now, which is great. But my only fear is, how will we sustain it? Will people go back to their normal lives which they are to some extent going back to now how will we make systemic changes? How will we make long-term changes other than in addition do in fact slogans and you know changing on instagram posts because that's the easy part. In fact, I want to ask you what kind of response are you seeing in in the UK around black? Lives Matter Movement, and are you hopeful? I am hopeful I mean I'm hopeful enough which is why I'm still here it might change. I have this conversation with myself on a daily basis like it should I leave or should I stay and I have a feeling that I will probably be leaving soon but that's not because I've lost hope in the country it's just personal reasons. And how you know you feel. Being in a place like this. So the Brexit vote was Ah. Pretty clear indicator of. Racism in my view, some people will argue that but I choose. Not to engage in that argument because you know people were lied to about immigration shore they were lied to about a lot of things but they voted on that on that basis and for a variety of other reasons, but they did so their xenophobia. So, when I saw black lives matter protest happening here and I saw. British youth and I say, you'd like I'm similar to their age. But in many ways, I'm quite old and tired. So when I saw them finally like responding. Either by you know, there's been a variety of responses. Some people are scared and deeply uncomfortable and. Having, meltdowns that's that's that's a response I've seen. Their guy cannot believe that all these people are suddenly making me acknowledge slavery in my white privilege how do I handle this and? Thoughts on surprising, and then I've seen lots of sort of positive actions being taken as well. So students signing petitions asking for the curriculum to be changed across the country I. Know I've been talking about that for a while. Now introducing the British Empire, the British education system making it a compulsory part of the curriculum which hasn't happened in, which is shocking in some people will say that doesn't actually make enough of a change, but it's a start. You give people the option to actually inform themselves and Rita history that they've been. Denied access to that can help and go a long way. I take political leadership seriously whether or not. I. Have a strong faith in democracy. So I think if elected leaders continue to perpetuate Racial discrimination in their actions and their policies. We all know politicians will say anything at any moment, which is favorable. So you know the current prime minister has been known and called out several times by people. For A in the past for making racial discriminatory comments and then the moment these protests broke out he went on twitter and went publicly say there's no place for racism in in our country, etc, etc.. All of that noise is good. If it raises public awareness but like you were saying if there's no implementation. Of Policies that show that you genuinely care about marginalized communities so In access to healthcare education housing social security if those measures aren't taken then. Yes I'm I am afraid that this will be a hype. Caused by the. Unfortunate. and. Criminal Death of George Floyd? And that really shouldn't be the case. I. Hope it carries forward and it keeps going forward but I have also met too many people who you know go as far as posting a black square on their instagram and then feeling kind of fly. Done with with it and no one saying you know you have to wake up every day and wear A. T shirt but I do think I had a conversation with the with the playwright about this People are in various positions of power. So you know. Even when I was calling out the drama school, some people could be like, why are you taking this at at a moment of crisis? Why are you making this a personal issue about a particular institution? Now I'm not in America I I'm helping the black lives matter movement through their website and signing petitions all that. But the space is the eyeball. CCUPIED. I feel like making changes in those spaces is also contributing to the wider movement and this goes back to a personal theory that I have like to share. which is but circle of concern and circle of influence. So like if you look at the as a circle of concern that encompasses the entire world. Now, I as an individual cannot make systemic change in the entire world, but if I look at my circle of influence. So for example, the drama school I attended my family, my community, the people I have access to I can make change there and I think too often in these movements, people get overwhelmed by the circle of concern. So they see that it's like a global thing and then they feel attacked. And they shut down and I think for it to really just gain in carry momentum we have to sort of shifted towards the circle of influence on a lot of people do not on their own, but it's the people who don't and turn away from this white fragility as it's called. Those are the people that sort of need to realize that. It in my view that it's not about you know you denying yourself right to live and. And being obliterated from the Earth for being white it's about acknowledging certain things for error just society. There are always people who are not going to want that though. So that is something that you know. I think every idealist activist has to Just, take with a pinch of salt social. Let's talk about your company MC l.. You're only twenty six or twenty seven by the way and you've achieved so much I don't know how you do it but so you have this production company and you have a lake. Incredibly versatile portfolio like you've done a lot of theatre production, visual arts exhibits and films too. So what are some of the projects that you have your hands on outside M Z L. and as you mentioned, I want to go back to what you said just a few minutes ago to create change within circle of influence how are you creating change at MC L. in terms of policies being implemented to ensure anti racist work within your own organization what firstly, thank you so much for the compliments I. You know Gay, I'm twenty six and it's been. Stressful to say the least the I constantly feel like an underachiever though so I try and push myself to tour. It's the immigrant work ethic I inherited it from from my parents. At NC L. Studios. WE TRY TO ELIMINATE RASHAWN gender discrimination so Unfortunately. Right. As this company was launched, the pandemic was also launched, which means that I haven't been able to go out into the world and do as much but I have chosen to highlight voices that I think are important much you're doing as well. With this podcast and. I have been working alongside other companies. Particularly student companies one in Cambridge called bread theater and film companies will where we program deliberately program obviously work by writers of color and encourage minority groups to audition and participate in them because what happens in the British creative landscape is that? There's so much whiteness that talented young people from minority backgrounds don't know where they fit into any thought I know that I kind of felt this way when I was an undergraduate student as well in Edinburgh I didn't really feel it from the beginning mainly because I've. been brought up internationally. But when I realized I wanted to enter the theater. It was so white and I was like I want to do. An Indian play by a Bengali playwright and. It's something they had never heard of before and I pitched it and got. successfully. FUNDED UNACCEPTED And it's in the archives. It was shocking Edinburgh old old very old university, and that was the first plan their archives by a writer, a non British writer a non British playwright know an Indian Indian playwrights so I was really glad to do that. So it's things like that that I hope to continue with MC L. as well. It creates space it creates conversations and it's more accurately representative of the communities that do exist here despite what people would like to believe. Britain is so there's that. I also want to. Maintain quite an international profile possible in the current global political landscape. It seems increasingly like no one wants me to do that. But you know as a filmmaker, I'm making a short film at the moment as well with the National Useful Academy I hope to you go outside of the U. K. as well. Right now, UK focused because I'm learning and obviously the pandemic means I can't actually go anywhere but on the whole yes I would like to mainly because I can also because I want to remove myself from the arguments that seems. Cyclical one year in one place, and hopefully you break out of them and go beyond because I told myself when I created the company that. If I can't do it in the UK doesn't mean I won't do it. It'll. It's transferable. I can take it wherever I want because the demand exists everywhere and we have a dog in the background is your dog it was my dog. Yes he was being taken now I'm so sorry. I I am scared of dogs, which is sad. I had a really bad incident when I was little. But my kids the would love to have a dog and I was as you were talking, I was like Oh my God. If my kids knew they would be so excited. And I could ask you I. can ask you about the breed but I am not really as a wet but the puppy I have at home is it's not a puppy anymore but everyone treats him like a puppy. Knees, it's a Cuban dog always like born and brought up here. But yeah, to have a needs puppy sorry about that. Who just barking in the background I enjoyed it actually I was like we have some musical background. So share as I was mentioning you create an film and visual art you just mentioned you talked about it as well. What do you find in theater? That is? Hard to find in film and how about something in visual arts that you don't see in theater. Love. This question because I feel it gets question that sometimes is. Not asked. So in theater I, think the obvious answer is the live experience booking directly at an audience, the magic that happens every night no two nights, the same and also the novelty of it so shows have a limited run so it's not on DVD I mean theater shows are recorded these days in stream, but the actual event of buying a ticket going to the theater seeing the actual actors right in front of you that is a that is a very novel experience will never have the same experience of performance that you will when you watch a DVD. However in times like these, what you learn is that film is more profitable and more sustainable because it's in a format that can be distributed more widely. So we can. We can make a film here in the UK and I can show it to people anywhere in the world with a few clicks. So that's that's one huge advantage of film and other advantage film is obviously you get to perfected and there's less stress around it. You'll get a lot of the screen actors who are very talented and but not from the theater you can. See The difference in my in my opinion like the other actors it requires like a different kind of stamina in training and film you get you get more chances to get it right in the theater. You don't you don't you get one chance and I think I like I really like that. Also there members of my family older generation who were all theater artist. So I think I grew up with that drive to like respect and honor the stage because before there was screen and digital an everything theaters what existed and even today. In rural parts of India, enroll parts of a lot lot of the world live performance is the form of entertainment. You know they don't have TV's they don't have laptops and screens. So it's what people do standing in front of you that matters. So I think that's what I get. But I enjoy doing experiencing differently. So right now I'm working on a film where I'm the art director usually, I'm always the director or the actor whatever but the art director, and that involves creating visual art and sometimes it's really nice to step away from the responsibility of an entire project and focus on one aspect of it so. Helping, create the color scape creating concept art visual imagery for the film and contributing in that way, and I enjoy doing that as well from from my training. So yeah, I think I think I also late between a lot of these roles you. Take, take off hats on but that is also, it's also made me very. I would like to believe I'm working on it humble as well because sometimes what happens when you're just constantly a director or in charge of a project like you get stressed out and you can you can get burnt out but also you'll meet some directors in creatives who don't realize like it takes a whole village to create something. So sometimes taking on the role of like concept artist or doing. Different parts of production. Really humbles you to the fact that no piece of work or art in this format is ever achieved by one person. It's always a collaborative effort and it's the minor like small things the person who brings the coffee in the morning or the person holding the microphone who ends up. Making the work possible. So yes, I think I think that's what I enjoy I like working on all aspects of it but yeah. It is the the directing that I enjoy the most and film just just to survive. You know if we didn't if I didn't have film at this current moment, I would be doing nothing because all the theaters are shut. So let's talk about films. How would you describe your pop culture taste I did any films or place as you mentioned now people do that as well. that are available on the web. And that our listeners can just go and watch especially doing couvet. Yes. So I mean this is something that the National Theatre has been doing, which is really exciting. They've been doing national theater at home So those are recorded YouTube performances of past plays that they've put on every Thursday. Now, the unfortunate thing is they put them on for like one week, and then you have that time frame to watch it in. And then you can't watch after that. So the one I'm about to mention is no longer available online. It was a streetcar named Desire Really performances of from Vanessa, Kirby Julian Anderson. So that's something I saw recently, but you know th, they'll still have a rolling programme because I don't think the national leaders opening anytime soon. So very generous of them. To, be streaming these performances. So that's just on Youtube in terms of my pop culture taste, it's very eclectic and I think that's just because of the web you know growing up and also I like being exposed to different things. So I really enjoy world cinema and at the same time I sometimes enjoy like. Really trashy American TV like net flicks, and of course, I have a deep love for a particular part of Bollywood that is called. Parallel. Cinema. What was described as parallel cinema. So that involves. Not, necessarily, the mainstream cohort of Bollywood but more indie filmmakers and less songs, more more drama and acting. Yeah that that's kind of my my pop culture. I. Do I do binge, watch, Netflix but I like. Classical as well and side. So the current movie am working on short that I'm working on, it's not strictly sci fi but it is about. The technological takeover of the world I I don't like sci fi I have tried to get into the habit of watching it. My husband loves it. He watches it all the time. My kids love it. I just haven't gotten used to it. That's one. So maybe I can start a fantasy because I don't like fantasy either says it do not like SCI FI or? So, when you ask me about these different genres, I have no clue how this works game of thrones I. Don't watch it and I have never really watched it. I watched the wolf thing and I miss it although I did not like the ending but I am a big fan. You know the interesting thing is the other thing that I have to get over is the notion of not being able to watch movies with subtitles. So I can watch Bollywood I grew up watching Bollywood I watch Hollywood but beyond. that. When it comes down to watching International Cinema Im just I don't know why but I am not too enthusiastic about watching it and once I get over that I think badgered psychological barrier that I have I think I will enjoy cinema a lot more and I will see a lot more diversity within the space that I am not getting when it comes to movies I mean it's it's always tricky because one there's more content out there that is accessible now more than ever before not all of it is good. And not all fit is good according to everyone so I do think though that. Given our current times I mean size existed for a long time. But especially in this moment in time as well it literally feels like there's been an alien invasion. The pandemic is like every every movie that you know. About the apocalypse has come true. In so many ways and I'm saying that with a smile despite you know the huge amount of tragedy out there because art is born out of difficult circumstances like this. So I think that's why I like Sci-fi I think you would like sci-fi vote. Is the if it's more socially informed as well maybe I like it and I don't even know it. But see that's the problem I feel like I have those blocks as well. But game of thrones I've decided not to watch it. You know maybe one day. If I manage to sit down and watch a full episode I'll end up watching the whole series but I just told myself I saw like all the fantasy in. The world and I was like, no, I can't do US Senate proclaimed nomad in your bio you share places that you've resided, which include deleen Singapore now London. What is one favorite city that you have and let's let's just see you. Go with wasn't a thing. Where would you back up in move in a heartbeat that Sucha timely question because I've been asking myself For. A long time. So does it have to be a place that I've already lived in were somewhere that I would like to live in any place it could be a place that you've already lived Tim. So place that I really love that I lived in, but I won't wouldn't necessarily move back to is the Netherlands, Hollander? So Amsterdam The Hague I I love it for its art and fairly. Open minded society social democratic values. Do exist in some form there, which is great. So so that's one place. I do love India but I discovered the Indians don't necessarily love me which is sad why I'll okay. We'll get into that in a second I'll. I'll just quickly answered the second part of your question I've been really wanting to move to somewhere in Europe. So like Australia, maybe like Vienna or. Any I would love to move to Berlin. So I've been to Berlin a few times and I would say this people are extremely friendly. I was pleasantly surprised and I don't know maybe it's because in boost trump era I just feel like we in America are angrier. Maybe, that's why I felt so much at home in Germany and I've only been two billion. So I've heard stories about other places in Germany that are not as friendly. So yeah. If you were to go to Berlin you, you'll definitely enjoy it. But let's go back to what you said about India. Why do you think people don't like you? They're so not like is. The wrong description I. I have extended family there will be the you know. They'll say they love me I'm sure they do. Family of course, of course, they they. They love you most of the time. With Mike my lived experience I. I grew up abroad from a young age so I spent most of my time out of the country I would just go back. But those a huge part of me that felt. Indian or Societa to the identity and obviously I speak the languages, I speak Bengali, Hindi and do so. For me I had a double triple life third culture identity growing up. where I would spend a part of the year in a different country talking in a different language with a different group of people, and then the rest of the year in high school in a different country dealing with different people engaging with different subjects with the different culture. Eventually over time especially in two thousand and sixteen. I decided that you know I have like some kind of like reckoning to do like something came over me where I thought that you know as an adult I have never lived in India. I think it's a very common thing for immigrant children. To be curious about but I have a tendency to take things very far just. Go City or whatever it is mainly curious. Very curious. So I really, I really wanted to know like I always grew up knowing that my parents grew up in India and then moved abroad. I was like you know as an adult I wonder what it's like to live there. My time there was obviously not the same as there is because the country is not the same anymore and my circumstances are different but when I went back and I there for almost eight nine months, people were nice to me and I traveled. Around the country, not as much as I would have liked to but India's huge nine months you you can't do justice and also is working on particular issues Wallo there as well. The overwhelming feeling about being me and being in India is that you can't escape the NRA tag. Non Indian there's that. And there's no way for me to truly. Fit in just because of the way, I, live my life and I think there was a part of me that romanticized or fantasized really tried very hard to behave as though you know. I am at one. With them but they will do a good job. Indians do this of reminding you that you're not and. It makes sense. You know like I didn't I didn't grow up there I don't know the day today but I think those always like confusion and sadness with me about that growing up now I've accepted it as an adult. But yeah, like it's not that they don't like me but you can't escape not being treated bike an outsider. So I'm an alien in every sense that's why I say no matter I'm an outsider everywhere. Even in what is technically bureaucratically my home country. I'm still an outsider there. That's so true and I think it is especially true as you said for second-generation kids but I, would say this it's true for even first generation immigrants once the move out I can talk about my experiences I feel like I have this not style gic. Idea of. Stan and I've I'm always like debating whether the. Eventually will you know move back and Ford spent some time in Pakistan some in the US. But I cannot call any one place home anymore New York is home and bikes Chinese home, but is New York more home. Now probably, in some instances, it definitely is because I've spent so much of my time here, and when I go back to Pakistan, there are things that I cannot relate to anymore and. As you said we all know Matt's whether it's I gem second. We're always You know trying to find space within different spaces and we cannot call one place home anymore I. Think, I've seen my parents may be my Momma with more than my dad sort of expressed that. But with my particular parents they they had like very sort of clear sense like be. Like India is still home despite where the end they always found communities that they could relate to. Every country the so they up like a wide circle of thing, goalie and South Asian friends in in various different places. So I think that helps them as well tablet the sense of belonging within the society that isn't entirely removed from their identity of Orgin if you woke. But yes I think about this often as a child of immigrants I think you. Do, which is the remarkable and brave journey that they made to leave the country and not just go to one but like several, which is why I had the bringing. Did I do think about it a lot I think the difference being a child is your development is tied to to to like this immigrant experience so that in some ways. One can argue that it's more deep rooted. Me Being. Becoming a performer and actor in my case was directly in so many ways consequence of this life like, yes there are people in my family, but also I sort of. Had to do that growing up with before I. Even realized that that's what I was doing. You know I'm not I'm not a child actor while I was when I was really young I used to perform as well. But what I mean is even to survive in different societies and cultures I like learn how to perform in a variety of different ways to. To cope with different people on situations so Thought something I always think about, but they also did that with like security and with kids. So yes, of course, I find it now as a as like out of education dealing with the real world, it hits you in the face you're like, wow. What you guys. Is unbelievable like yeah. You know and it makes you a little bit more empathetic because obviously you know parents make mistakes and I think growing up I used to be really hard on them. Sometimes it's like how could you? You know you're dragging from one place to the other you don't care about how I feel Baba Blah Blah Blah, and now I'm like, oh Wow that was really hard for them. You know that was that was a really challenging situation that they had to deal with and they did the best they could you know sometimes I feel like I should just do one episode where I talk about Loneliness that first gen faces or society to disorientation on nation nobody talks about those things I've been talking about for your like years I've had no choice to but I agree with you people don't talk about it enough and something I also find is it comes when it does come up. It's like found in the most unlikely places. So for example, I'll I'll give an example what I mean by that when I started talking about racism more, I made it a personal thing where it was like I feel like, I've also been discriminated. I had like a whole bunch of friends sort of like do a double take. You know there were like Huh what Sri Sri is Australia's talking about facing discrimination because growing up as an immigrant international kid obviously, I have skills and I've assimilated and I have diverse friend groups and. I can be seemingly a huge the comfortable part of a lot of these societies but what I'm feeling on the inside at what we talk about alien. So many people never hear or know about that. because. It's never asked and and no one speaks about it. So suddenly at a moment when I go, I'M GONNA call out my drama school a whole bunch of people what why are you doing that and I'm like because you don't realize. You. Know when we're all out having fun it might seem like I'm just one of you but in reality I'm not. So that's something that I always struggled with as well. There's so much that we internalize and I think it's important to talk about those things. Share what is next for you? What is next for me? Oh my Gosh hopefully. Coming out of this pandemic, I've been very privileged and blessed to have remained healthy and be with my family during this time. So to come out into a world, which is healthy and is more compassionate. I think a lot of people are expressing not. Personally careerwise bike I said I mean I'm in the UK technically for a while longer least another at least another year. But like I said with productions my career you know I'd like to maintain an international profile and it seems as though that's going to be more and more difficult to do staying in this country. so I anticipate the I will be. Moving away but that doesn't mean that the work I do changes it just takes on a different cultural and geographic context. I can't stand one place for too. That's a good thing i. think it enriches your experience when you're moving from one place to another. Way Give people find information about your work, your company, what you've done so far is the a website they can go to. Yes. So NCO productions by company has an instagram handle. That's at studios and we are www dot productions, dot com, and for my personal work I am at Shriat T C on instagram although my instagram is not my personal from is not that lively but I have a website where you. Can read and look at some of my work that I've put on there, which is again www dot shredder, Tanisha dot com, and we will be hosting all information on our website and social media. Thank you so much share this wonderful and I can't wait to see your work and see where life takes you next. Yeah. Well me too and I hope that we will continue to stay in touch because it's lovely to. Talk about these issues with someone who understands especially in the space that you've created I know we spoke about this in our initial meeting. With immigrants like it's just the more. There is a a voice put put on it the more I think those opportunity for compassion. So thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Thank you so much for tuning in. Be sure to tune in next week. Just a reminder we are on twitter at twitter handle is at immigrants underscore pod, and on Instagram at immigrants. Pot and we have a petri on on a gofundme. Me I've said it a million times. I can't do this without your support. So do consider to nateing until next time stay connected.

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How to live a Low Tox Life with Alexx Stuart

Talking Clean with Irene

44:08 min | 1 year ago

How to live a Low Tox Life with Alexx Stuart

"This is talking claim with Irene podcast for anyone like me who wants to kick the toxins out of their life and live a more all natural and sustainable loss style join me is I unpack handily toxin-free with insights from signs doctors the creators behind those beautiful organic attic grants we love and other experts on your host Irene Falconi ever since I started my nourish. I locked log all those years ago in two thousand and eleven. I have heard the same thing time and time again. I reign of what to go toxin fray but I've got no Wednesday aw well if that sounds like you then today's episode is going to be an absolute life changing today. I'm talking to Alec Stewart both wrote the best selling book doc talks life ahead. Look for a healthy you and a healthier planet. Alex is an expert on everything from low talks food to talks. Beauty products and low talks is cleaning but the one thing I really love about Alex's approach is that she knows talks and free living is never black and white. There are no rules and we all know. It's not easy so so today. Alex is here to tell us how and where we can start with creating our own blow talks lives Hi Alex. Thank you so much for coming onto the shower. I am ridiculously excited to chat to you on your podcast. How exciting restarted one. I thank you I'm a little bit nervous because now you've been podcasting for so much longer. You'll have to give me some tapes. When did you start your podcast three and it'd be easier go now off being on our three weeks and what I love about what you're doing. Is You're letting people under the hood of all these incredible products stall and the raisins and the wise that people people had for starting those brands so it's a really lovely way for people to connect. You know what I mean. I think so too I mean. How many schools can you go to and they say? Actually you know what we're going to do an in depth interview with the person that created the products that we sell which is which is really really interesting but you don't create any products that I that I sell Alex Likes you reference to all things low talks living you know I could actually talk to you for forever about leaving a toxin free live and everything that you do one of the very first people to really turn a dog along the whole movement with the environment and plastic free and at the time you were out there on your own waving that flag and you manage to get everyone behind you which is just this phenomenal but because we only have a limited time like a one or two rows. I wanted to talk to you specifically early about your book. So can you tell me what made you move away from just doing the blog and actually publishing book so there were a few sticks in between the blog and the book and I guess sort of rewind to two thousand fourteen when I had it pretty good little community size right then we connected a whole bunch of paypal we had beautiful businesses like yours starting to provide us what we wanted as consumers which was amazing and I think between us and a few other K. plays we really really created the marketing Australia for people to shift from just buying something because it performs and broadening people's Matrix to how does it perform for health not just for the use of it and how does it perform for the planet as well so broadening. The metrics of performance has been one of the most wonderful wonderful things that I think both of us have had a hand in doing in this country just so exciting that ever gets it now and so many more people are getting it every day. It was answering these individual private questions by email or private message on facebook until like twelve at night one in the morning. I'm just going. Oh my gosh I hope all these the same questions over an ivory clay and it was the most inefficient way to to go one too many. I want to change the world wrought. I've got nurse small agenda. It's a big one and so you always have to be thinking. How can I help more people more efficiently. Get access to the information so that's when I launched go talks which was the fist of an nine equalises and that was really just a blueprint for people to look at every aspect of the everyday live not just personal care and cleaning but literally the lot they active. Weber cushions. They're choosing the things that they pillows stuffed with everything everything and that's nat had three and a half full thousand people through it over the last five years and then we kind of helped people with preconception or inflammation. It was some of the really big things that hold people back from leaving new best lives because some may even I've got the change. The world metric change the planet. We can't do it if we seek seek and wearing survival and we're just trying to get through the day so for me. It's very much part of this is about helping people get well and the other part of this is once we will. We take on the world. How exciting is that. I love that for it's really true. I've had chronic illness and it is very hard had to be a big picture thinker when you can't even figure out how you GonNa make dinner for your child your size sake and you've been through that yourself so you know we gotta get paper. Yeah well that is a huge can't just all go plastic free. NBC This Queue Job but we really go to work on to make sure mask on Oscars and and they can help the next person tiredly so the Acosta's abandoned amazing way to help many people and still get a good night's slate myself and not hurt myself just give give giving and not filling out my own cop and making sure can set some boundaries which is such a tricky anything when Your Business I know I think you've really got to work on it. It's a very tough skilled build but nevertheless it's really been an amazing way to support paypal able and then the podcast started three years ago to start to really unpack some of the big issues with the biggest scientists professes his forward thinking doctors vat time environmental scientists climate change scientists all the people who are helping on again that whole survival arrival side of personal health but planet side for the bigger picture and then two years ago. I think it was just over two years ago now and an email oh came into my inbox and it was really funny because I had always had had a couple of conversations with publishes before but it was always about. How can we make these really a good little low budget like I don't WanNa be racing to the bottom before we even started the creative like that's not how you create something being amazing and I thought you know what miracle is. Mike's really good books and one day when the time feels right might chat to them and I had just kind of like like put that out. I always loved lay Heinz's books Gibb Laura just stunning meaningful but really really achieves apes for people results driven books so one day I get this email from my now publisher. John Mara is a legend. I love her and it says you have been listening to Hugh podcast <hes>. Have you ever considered writing a book. I think you should pop in and we should have a meeting. I was like Moto books written to me that I like them. I think I'M GONNA go no information and I thought it was going to be a recipe book because I have been helping people not just with the toxins stuff but for years navigating gluten-free aiding NCAA that was something that had to do myself got me even thinking about the food where it comes from what's in it let alone the pistol Karen cleaning and all the other stuff I started racist. Ching and food was always a really big thing for me and it just had an association round recipe books with him so I was like. Oh this is exciting. I'd love to do a rescue vote but she had a really different plan for me and she hadn't been listening to my podcast and really loved how broad ranging my topics a- and she looked at the website and she really wanted to push me to define what lading alot talks life meant and what the capabilities were and to put that into a book so I had a big thing and really hard on the four things that I'd been focusing on for years is by that stage with that six seven eight years that I've been writing and they were food buddy harman mind so we've really got to look after the mind as well well as those individual consumer based food buddy harm and that was how the book was born really it was a random email a meeting a proposal and done and I had three tiny months to get my first draft IVA so lucky. I'd been writing content though didn't you. They had all that clear. Your podcast and annual courses pauses exactly yeah so it wasn't too crazy. What what I found hottest. Ole was actually making it concise. 'cause go talks when we send the students they end of course. PDF It's a hundred Jordan seventy thousand words and my book is a sixty five thousand words. Sartre not only have the food and harm pace but also adding gene like body and mind and to have that basics five thousand words I really the toughest pat was thinking what is the most important useful stuff here and let's just do that and what it ended up. Meaning was it was just SAR the opposite of overwhelming it was so doable and a really practical practical guide so that's I think that's resonated so well. It is a practical. God and I think the book makes you think about. How can I figure this out myself and actually one of the things I love about your book and surprised. About your book is that you don't go into really talking about products that recommend products Iraq's in fact I expected to open your Balkan say all these brand Tadashi and you know everyone always beautiful breath and then I opened knows how to make Acura Vice Mosque and how to make your own soaps and that was really interesting and and is there a reason you went with the diy rather than the I I think because I am not a huge day. I Y like full disclosure here. I actually tend to buy more products than I make and nets simply because I absolutely love small business. I love supporting small business. I love the time that these incredible small business owners. Save me the being so great at what they do you like I think if black chicken related to Bra such incredible products and I want to support they flourishing rushing in the world because when business flourishes that's doing right by people and planet they were able to do even more good stuff in the world people stop buying the there's other ones as well blaming the right thing for the world so that tirelessly but if you want to release a book that's GonNa pop up in a tiny town in Pennsylvania a little a farm town in Scotland where I say my book continually popping up from people sharing on instagram like then I'm going to be able to pop into their local pharmacy. Imbibe let chicken will hopefully one day if she does what Ryan but the things that I can make myself super easily with cheap and ready available. ooh good quality ingredients then show. I'll mix up my own body scrub. I love making a quick coffee buddy scrubbing. I refuse to spend twenty five thirty bucks on one because because it's so easy but then there's a few of the things that I find Honda or I just prefer the performance of a product that exists and so then you know had beautiful to be able to consciously by something nar is harming your health or the planet and so really I'm a bit of a mix of by and I talk about that in the book so for the DIY why is I give them recipes and then for the people who liked products I st them tools the website where we have a racehorse page that shares all the products so that that way if they're in the UK they get one least of recommended brands if they're in the US or New Zealand or Australia and then they have day blueprints for for the local resources on the website rather than having to print totally different editions for every single country which becomes super expensive for the publisher so it was really a pragmatic mattie decision love. That idea makes the book timeless as well and more importantly. Im Product Junkie and you've actually you actually inspired me eight to make my own products semi. What did you make well you know every time I empty my coffee machine. In Australia's grounds comment of the coffee machine account. Put them in the bin because because every time I think about putting them into the compost. I think well hang on a minute. That's fifty dollars thirty dollars for coffee scrub. So I mixed that up we thumb the coconut oil and Mike my Gaudi's crab now and I'm mixing again organic coconut oil with you know things like essential oils. I wanted to ask you because because one thing I have not mastered and yet you mention Dr Bronner's in your book. That's pretty much the one brand I mentioned it and it simply because it is absolutely everywhere and I figured out a way you pick this book. You should be able to find a doctor Bronner's casteel so if not you'll be able to get a castle slopes somewhere. What is your favorite recipe using a cast also. There's always wanted to ask you that question. You know it's not so much a recipe for me. Using Casteel scientists Malva crazy amount of uses like I take my little little mini. Casteel site went on travel and it's in my handbag and so I'll use it instead of like dodgy airport or train station. I'm so pumps at in the public toilets or in a shopping center even I used to wash the car before I sold a car recently. I use it to you. Wash the dishes in the in Bay. I use it to like I just Lena and then I use it to wash myself. My kid quick shampoo like I wouldn't use is it is a permanent shampoo replacement because I have a brand that I really lie but it just it at a pinch. It'll do pretty much any form of cleaning leaning you need and that for me is the magic of Casteel. I just love it. Gino what I've found truly useful four and I had no idea the teach free one. You can use on your face for breakouts. Oh yeah it makes perfect sense. You can add another another use so that would be a great daily kind of I'm preventative support. If you're going to choose one of the Casteel subs so yeah they just so awesome and then of course you can make your own finding pump sipe type with it and then that makes the bottle go even further because you hardly have to use any and then you make your style last like four times as long so a lot of people freak out about the cost of low talks staff that if you learn a couple of skills end up making things stretch further and then it becomes cost neutral or even cost negative sometimes absolutely plus think about the cost of your health and the environment it all has other things so it makes complete sense. I these natural cleaning product so luck Dr Bronner soy or something we might do ourselves. We'd be Nikkeiren bike hub. They really killing the germs. Are they really getting rid of the mold and so. How do you address those questions. Are they any honor. The answer to this but for anybody thinking is the river Tom. We really do need the hard coal chemicals to clean homes. Well okay so it. It's a really interesting question and I think by hod quote chemicals. You probably talking about trike. Listen which was the considered to be the antibacterial wonder drug of like you know when you say all of those mainstream multi-purpose cleaners something that kills ninety nine point nine percent of germs chocolates and is usually the active ingredient in those sorts of formulations in acne formulations and those sorts of things things <unk> for years it was considered to be the gold standard of bacteria removal Joe Removal but in the research independent hadn't research was starting to come up showing that it was damaging to the fire. Royd and was affecting people's health negatively impacting people's was health especially the thyroid gland and its function and we own our how K. having a well performing Bayreuth to human health. I was the pay I think in the states probably about two thousand fifteen that issued a challenge to scientists to you go out and they had two years to prove that track listen actually was in fact more effective than soap and water and if they could prove that then maybe ap the performance of the product outweighed the potential health risk because you've always gotta put those two things side by side and say is that overall better for us to to use these than to worry about a small percentage of people affected in this way. You know what I mean. That's just something nothing is ever black and white right as much says so many people want to be and then so they took that to us no one could prove that adding tricolours into hand sanitizers and <hes> <hes> multi purpose products and <hes> face washes end hand washes etcetera. No one was able to prove that it was more effective active than soap and water at killing germs so it's now actually banned in hand wash and hand sanitizers all the way across the United States. Thanks unfortunately not band here in Australia because not huddle look in the supermarket and you're still labels and so by beware air in astrology official but I think that's a really exciting thing that we're actually starting to listen to research small studies and I know we need to do more all studies because if these could potentially home health we need to find out PRONTO and so look there isn't necessarily a huge amount of evidence that that says using x is better than using why when it comes to industrial cleaning etc and you still have like bushes having to use very hard coke Lorraine's and things like I have my own opinions on on whether that's necessary but I think what's really important. He is something like mold old for example is that we have to understand that in fact all of those bleaching products do nothing to actually remove mold as an issue issue in your home there 'cause medic change like you say normal malls but it's still there and often it creates like superbugs the bugs because they morph and use that moisture to proliferate in other way so there's a lot of water content in a lot of mall killing products and that's a really she said hydrogen peroxide aside from me is a fantastic natural mold cosmetic mold removal say you don't see the black but also remover of mold and the best thing you can do with Maldives to actually remove it and then prevent it from coming back since stead of just assuming mulled coming back in bathroom is normal which we do which is how we ended up with a whole you know suite of products to try and get rid of it each time. Why aren't we asking ourselves. Why is my bathroom harboring constant humidity above sixty percent. That's why the mold is growing the main moisture and and having had mold illness myself being very very seek <hes> for me. This is a preventative issue so you need to get to the source of why there's mold growing inside your walls John remain if it's like a massive lake or something that intensive mold growing in your shower you gotta ask yourself what so humid in there and get a dehumidifier a humidifier. That's going to be much better than any product. You could possibly use and let some sun in exactly if you've got a window open the window. If you've got extract strect fans make sure they clean and working but if you've got humidity regularly above sixty percent inside then don't think oh my gosh what product am my. GonNa use to kill the mold think. Why is my place so humid? Kenna creates a more crosswind cross braised. Get some fresh air in here or do I need to buy. Dehumidifiers that for me will always trump discussing what products going to be best for mold. If that helps wow that is so interesting. My husband needs to listen to this. Kosovo would tell you how many wives and said that to me. It's just saw zoological what ways just bombarded with the soy long you know an eighties wild soften board bottle for a long time at I hear you for somebody. Somebody picking up your book for the first time. How did you intend to be read well. I think the sign of a good book is that people do it their way you you know what I mean. They make it there especially how to book and I really did. I'm glad you said exactly what you just said. Because when I wrote it I really did want people to be able to choose their adventure literally open it up and what ever page their land on. They're going to have a few good ideas on what to swap from and to and but I oh definitely think you should read the introduction I 'cause that'll give you an insight into the philosophy of leading low talks life and this is not some sort of quest for perfection. Shen we still have to leave in a modern world and all that that entails and really it comforts you before you dive in and stop making changes so I would definitely definitely say please read the introductory pages first because then you'll get an idea of not only what I'm about but what you'll signing up for in in making all these changes in an had ago batted in a way that's not going to make you feel visa or angry or overwhelmed or guilt shame old that kind of stuff that eighties kids were taught to feel with all those fad diets and all that kind of stuff that we grew up with where you can try something for three weeks and and then you abandoned ship because you went very good at it or someone else over there. It was much better at it than that folks thankful with leading low talks live. The risk is once. You realize realize all the stuff that we didn't nar is you can go. Oh my Gosh I've been killing my family without knowing it and that's a horrible place to <hes>. Take your all mind so for me. It's really important to to lay down a foundation of positive liberty and exploration and healthy curiosity about what we might be able to change and how that that might impact us and the planet instead of a door should go duly sta because all these chemicals are trying to kill us. That's just not my jam. No that's really interesting in point though because I think being a mom myself I think there's many people out there. Maybe not so much now but in the beginning that you know what all this stuff is rubbish sh the nothing wrong with Montreal San Matias paste and all those things because to admit was means. We were bad moms for the past ten years thirteen years for me. I just had to say you know what I didn't know. I didn't ten years. That's right and eighty self up for something. He did not know much better to get excited about what you're going to change from today. Oh I completely agree so for somebody who is picking up your walk and is not really very far into the low low talks journey yet. How long do you think it would take someone to sort of transform. They predominantly a mainstream home into a low talk time <hes> such a question and a lot of people don't like the answer because it's years it takes years but the beautiful thing is is there. There are quick wins. You can make now the dining would cost money. It's just about stopping using certain things you didn't even need in the first place for example `specially `round in our bedrooms like scented candles and all that BS examples for our listeners would be some of the quick wins because we want to take years. I mean it's a great beautiful fool journey to do over a couple of years but one of the really what are the things we can do straightaway. You know what can. I change this month. What can I change this year and then what am I gonna GonNa Start Saving up fold. It's like the really big ticket stuff which some people might main when they you know they've got to pay the land they sitting on their with planning on building a house in three years is that that's GonNa look like a really different half now that they know what they know so there are different people at every stage and going low talks can main changing the way you were planning on renovating or it can main. I'M GONNA change my pillow this week and for me changing the pillar and the water that you drink at the two most important things we can start with and the reason is is the pillar with a bit of luck. Yo squishing you face against it for good seven or eight hours a night and if you're not pleased feel guilty about that is just something to be conscious of trying to sleep more because <unk> restorative for us and but think about breathing into these Paulista micro plastic dust producing hape of material. All knives also think about if it's a couple years old how much mold fungi dust mite poop might be hanging out in the out the day dis dis they they just they often in infestation in and so for me. It's just our healthy to switch to a latex or a pure organic cotton or wool pillow and there's some fantastic options days. Where do you get those. I want to put them in the Shahryar. It's where Eddie you go to find these pillows. I think the best thing you can do is to just Google online and say organic light Hicks pillar organic cotton or organic wool pillow and then you'll find something local to you that way people can kind of find but just make sure that they aren't blending the latex with any memory finds that from petroleum-based fibers because you then end up breathing in micro plastic dust and producing micro-plastics in in high so we all want to do a better job doing that and we certainly don't want to put it in lungs through breathing seven-hour is not into it so that's May is just a really really exciting change and then the water <hes> you stock holders code filters which of my personal favorites and you know if you think about <hes> how much water impacts systems and have intimate relationship with water is couldn't get more intimate if you tried like drinking drinking something that Dan like permeate through your entire body and into your cells so making sure you're drinking tiptop condition water. He's absolutely crucial like that's a whole another conversation but plays the pesticide runoff the chlorine. Everything is a bacteria everything that's in in a lot of TAP. Water can be detrimental to our health in the long term. There is so much research to show that the residue of pesticide in water is affecting human health. Sorry for that alarm you WanNa think about the water and how you filtering it and you know just to plug your shop Iran. You've got a great selection. Don't stock any of the dodgy ones they all excellent so that to me would be really great people to start as well and you know the the other thing thing is if you can't afford the five hundred dollar water filter you can just get the job. It's about one hundred dollars. A little mini Waterman eatings honestly the best little thing ever my son and why you stopped the water man. Yes Sir I've got. I was just like Oh my gosh I nine to be helped but yeah my son and I traveled leveled through Europe for a month last year and that's all we had and we did not have to buy a single bottle of water the entire month it filters fast. We filled up our bottles. HDA It's really light so I even checked it in my bag so that I could you know filter some more water if we needed halfway through the day and we were good to go oh side. I think it doesn't always have to be expensive. You can always find these days. Some really great lower cost options then for me. The next kind of priorities like mice paypal a using a bath jail or a body wash or even bar soap and like just switched to you Dr Brown aside or your allayed. They saw such great value then last really longtime specially. Don't wet them too much in between you know what I mean like. It's all about the trade the them in F- along a good site Bah and that's what you're putting all over your body every day sometimes twice a day people shower and all of a sudden you've removed all of the endocrine-disrupting chemicals that are stuffing random holman's in a twice a day intimate shower exercise that you would have only only been covering yourself with body jail Lova question if we need signed much saipan out bodies when we have a shower as well as saying are true yes yes. I am a big fan of the design as on theory. That's all you need to diet little bits of guy you don yeah now and then you don't end up with time any drying scaly skin conditions as well because you're stripping the natural oils off the rest of the skin that didn't even need a wash in the first this place unless of course you my husband and a Finnish maker and you come home looking like a Grub then you might need a proper soap up but mice Chavez really dying and children a- as well I mean I think you need anything on a baby at watering wash cloth but in ours get old smelly but yeah just Pete's and beats. I agree Pete's Zimbabwe but yeah I mean. A lot of people are shocked that I only used to give him a bath think it was like once twice a week. Maybe when he was a beatty eighty is washing that but like five billion times a day there was no need to then put him in a bath every day. I know it's a nice part of the routine but baby skin in his very fragile. I'll end to let it build up. Its natural oils is to give the skin bit of resilience so a lot of people with extra or other skin conditions conditions irritability and sensitive skins. They are transformed when once they start making their babies have a bath every single day so often so you know and then that that becomes cost negative because you're not even having to use as much product as you used to us so there's a lot of ways to do this that are really really positive but then in terms of what you don't need this is one of my favorite things because this is the free category. This is the stop spending category where you actually just wow I I used to put scented candles all around my house thinking I was doing this amazing thing for relaxation and then having to guard to the natural path all the time because my home was I stuffed up and so you can cut down on your naturopathy costs by cutting down on your candle costs and exposing and yourself to sign many synthetic fragrance products cutting down on the cost of painkillers in yet panadol and everything because you don't have the headaches I was well known as the one who needed to use as the Clarence beauty room as soon as the manages were on lunch duty and and they would let me have a nap in there to kind of ride out my my migraine and public COUPLA painkillers. That's no way to live. You know if that's the way anyone is listening to these living. We've normalized at because sire. Many people experience it it. He's not normal. We cannot accept that as normal behavior. We've gotTA look at the Y. I could not agree more just swap to a Beeswax candle you get the beautiful smell are neither delicious and I love is to stock as works. Campbell's that I now I I never really sold very much but I'll just get them from healthy life and the health food store now on DOB. I think it's Wayne Bay the ones rain base and if anyone wants to dive into the candle industry I did a show with Cape but in the founder of Queen Bay a couple years ago and it's also I think shy number seventy five or seventy seven somewhere around the and she's Blah all into in the show notes as well yeah I just absolutely love her candles and they last for hours and he had just love the smell. Oh and they also attach themselves. I'm sure she explained this in your podcast. She explained it to me. They attached themselves to the Oil Indonesia A. and catch those toxins and they make them fall to the grand in you can vacuum them up Yep. That's exactly right so then negative on is is and it's pretty cool right. That's amazing Sir Yeah Look. There's just so many things you can do so I think getting reto plugging airfresheners scented candles centered raids old sorts of things you just simply. We do not need like staff. Enjoy the smell of a fresh bunch of flowers every now and then or maybe investing some central oils. If you really want to replace that smell but I I seventy things we just made and we certainly don't need five billion different types of products for are cleaning one or two you know something a bit heavier judy for the bathroom something lighter frown surfaces and floor and that's as we just need to go back to thinking wow this is actually really simple and if I was to ask you what is the number one. I know we've covered off a lot of tips already but if I was to ask you what is the number one thing we can do for an eco-friendly hyme would composting. Would it be a lot of things thrown in a little bit composting their love to say word one of my fav- hey I want to be. I want to be a composter and I'm not big yellows. I find it really interesting interesting. Actually I find everything that we just spoke about. Then all the toxin- free beauty products all of the cleaning products on I'm I can do that with my eyes closed. That's aw yeah but when it comes to waste free home I'm struggling and in my area. They took bins away and replaced them with tawny this little buckets. I'm going to call them of beans and I have four children and I'm struggling what we do. Have a off on this whole thing. I've a well-meaning thing so I reckon like this is this is the part where we need to play strengths as well and know that we can outsource and find solutions where we don't have to do the hard work. If we get a hit around something so I would say to apparently full kids who's like I just can't get my head around around composting. I would say let me explain to you exactly how ethically massively beneficial it is for at Planet Figu to compost your wife's instead of chocolate and landfill will give you the stats sorry. If you look at what is on your place for example when you have DNA and everybody's what he's fighting about Vegan versus pay all sorts of things. Everyone keeps fighting about what's on the plate for climate change but actually food waste and food off cut waste everything that's going into landfill and not being Aden or tending to Earth accounts for more than ten in times. The carbon emissions of what's on the plate that is unbelievable. Indiana in our office keeps telling me as well but I didn't quite get it how the food food is coming from neutral source. HOW DOES THAT TURN INTO CARBON. Emissions will actually tends into something much deadlier and more impactful maintain detain which is an almost thirty times as much of a and Musa then Coveney's so it's really really important the the whole food wasting more important than anyone is really talking about infuriates me that we'd just kate talking fighting about whether we should eight mate or not and it's much much bigger conversation especially when it comes to make it should be where is that coming from because if you look at regenerative agriculture you're actually sequestering Mokaba than you produce but we do that by banning factory farming we just say that is not an effective way like all of that system is totally broken but a beautiful regenerative egg femme growing long exceptional produce you know supporting the sequestration of carbon in that form of agriculture and that doesn't get enough attention so for anyone who's a May Ada maybe just think about reducing you make by half or even a quarter of what you ate and then investing in a really great organic pasteurized pasteurized option but then for those of us who WanNa play an even bigger game start tackling at food waste a we gotta get a bit smarter about how much food we throw away away and that is becoming rails full making all of those frayed veggies and things that look a bit dodge into a soup or curry or stew. I always if I'm making a superior stew from scratch. I'll look in my fruit and vegetables and a guy what he looks like something I no longer want eighty s but he's is still safe to aid sorry that's a really great but then of course we don't want a sandal that fresh offcuts into landfill eva because of that may production and with the traps gases that foam build up and then get released into the atmosphere so for that. I reckon if I was you I reign I would actually call out either the local council or I would call up the compost revolution guys and as I look I'm GonNa pay someone to come out here and not just teach made because often oldest ends up falling on the mom and but actually have a family workshop and I'll get a couple of friends on the straight that I have kids because the kids would love it too on on how to actually establish a whim femme erode loves was he pigs that accurate is kate having tell him not to touch them so he would love these so about this word so worms doing a better job than the composting. Now it's easy for us so if you have a real lock around composting and turning being a compost or you know you don't have a big enough property to have just a hape in the corner that breaks down unit signs wait time then when finding is also many <unk> by huge big worm farming kits and all of your organic waste in there and worms just make the best meal out of it and the night create this beautiful William. I'm taking the is like liquid fertilizer gold that you can put on all your other plants in the garden or if you've got a veggie patch check it on that and the costing the soil soil once they've done with all of that stuff and it's tending to again. It's like rocket fuel for your garden and sorry it's and then you just creating these amazing. Thank circular economy in your own backyard. We don't have to go out to the hardware store and buy fertilizers in plastic bags and bring them high. You just easing kitchen scraps so often. It's just like oh my gosh. This is too hot. It's kind of like the the knee find that you've had to buy because the old ones finally broken and it just sits there and its packaging for like three wakes while you're in denial about how hot it is going to be to set up. You know that feeling and I feel like I'm finding in composting is the same block around it can bother compostable auto and ahead of US Aleksey. No I'm not going to pay someone you know. I'm going to get you to come on. Come on UNIX FRY GONNA have to come over the bridge bridge of Seaney yet reducing have food waste next to kneel if we all did it around the planet. Eh Business committed to it as well. It would be the equivalent of taking half a billion cars off the road per year how you our goal Alex when it comes to waste free anything else other than food waste that we can do to get queen when it comes to a waste free hyme tame. I'm very conscious of the journey that going low way season low everything because I think fray just makes us feel like we're always failing. I also have another issue that I keep coming home with plastic bags from the <hes>. How can we remember to always bring a good question and it's the example I use of my own realization of that exact item in the first part of the book so basically for me the most important something to turn something like that into a habit put yourself in a position of inconvenience by forgetting it a couple of times. I started to say to myself I'm done with this is just this one time and feeling guilty and ashamed for three days. Well I remember that one time and then do it again and I actually said you know and what no bag no shopping or whatever you can carry and that's it end amazingly. I started to remember tonight because I actually I put my foot down on myself and San goes with Coffee Cup of coffee. It's a simple as that all in all. I do that now as well. I up too scared to come back to to the office at Nourish off anyway. There's no you wouldn't know it. Just walk in the door anymore. So awesome to hear businesses popping out with unlike business cheeks has gone single use cup free some really great businesses starting to say you know what you not allowed in the doors. If you're holding disposable cop it's changing the culture really like smoking culture. Now that is how badly it's frowned upon which is just awful. Isn't it at the moment on local. It gives us Fox's but now I've got all these boxes cardboard boxes that I want to do well yeah maybe they can be good for for slightly slightly slightly putting your recycling in or using craft projects taking down to the after school care program because they always need things yeah. Just we've got a broken minds on stuff guys once we're done with it. That's for sure I'll turn them into the cat a cat beds and a dog bid so take the next one will be for the kids the kid bids. I'm sure they'll be thrilled. Alex is just been wonderful. We must do this again because you're just a wealth of information and awesome of knowledge. Thank you so much. Thanks for listening this podcast Kostas produced by nourished life Australia's home of toxin free shopping to learn more and get all the shore night's visit asset nourished life dot Com dot are you if you have any feedback about the show you can reach me on facebook or Instagram at Norwich law which is all one with don't forget to subscribe to talking clean with Tirane in your podcast APP and finally if you like what you hear please give me a five star review. It really helps other people to find the shy. I'm your host. I rain fell Queenie rainy and I'll speak to you next time.

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106: Clear and Boring

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1:30:47 hr | 2 months ago

106: Clear and Boring

"I am recording in two places now. Oh. My backup recorder should be right the backup data I. I can't tell if you're serious or not about the backup quarter. Are you serious about the backup recorder wish you recorded in two software pieces software and? I don't think that's possible to do. You can't do that Besides want like. You want things physically. Physically separated. And if it's if it's one computer, it's no good. It's like. You need to things physically recording. My God what are you doing? Something that you consider to be so important, which is the backup record widely, if you seemingly buried unlike the multiple, that's a good question Well okay. So the thing the thing is I'm recording. From my new office Mike My Home Office is blue now. Newest. Blue. Louis, New Right. Mentally considering it okay. Be My new office. Okay that's good. It's been great but also as part of the process of painting it. Everything came out of the office and went into the main room of our house, which was made things quite cozy for the several days. It took paint show you very aware of all the things that you've purchased. I became very aware of the things that I've purchased I got rid of a whole bunch of them because again, I've had collapsed two offices down into one and I moved out of my old one. Like there's a bunch of redundant stuff that I got rid of and I've just just like re put everything into the new blue. Office? And I haven't well, I haven't quite figured out what the storage system is going to be but look basically there's been a ton of change here That's what I'm thinking of the blue engine of spaceship you. Oh Yeah it's pretty great. I. Love it I'm like I'm so happy about it, and it really is the case like the way you arrange your physical environment matters so much and we can we can talk about this stuff later. But the short answer to your question is I've spent the last two weeks completely redoing to desks like got an I got another big desk for this office and like I've set up all of that stuff and to get my office back into a workable state. I kinda through a bunch of the stuff that was in my main room into boxes and I was like you are my project for later boxes like I'll have to organize you and. figure all that stuff out and like get much better storage system for the various things that I have. But what that means is it just occurred to me. I was like I'm pretty sure that audio recorder is in the box that's behind me, and then I took a look and go no is not in this box. I mean. There's only six boxes of things, but they're very dense. So we might be doing a trapeze show here without to nats underneath us just one that underneath US did pick blue because spaceship. You know Mike is the other way around the IT's blue in spaceship you because that's the color for years and years of always color coded as important work but now but like did you pick the blue for the office because of that is what I mean and understand what drag blue is the color of serious works, but your office wasn't blue before. No it wasn't blue before because I just hadn't painted it before if it a few had painted, a always would be below is what I'm asking. Yeah. Of course of course, like it couldn't be any other it couldn't be any other color. It's like it's like look if I if I had like a dedicated recreation room in the house, it would be green because green is the color of like, Oh, I'm relaxing now I'm reading a book here. Yeah. That's just the way the colors would be the couldn't wouldn't make it relaxing room blue that's masters. Little relaxing has to be green. What are you even asking me? silly. So anyway, I don't have a backup recorder. Just a quick thing just a quick point of order. something. I'd like to bring to the attention of court. Wait wait the court tech's. Don't you dare. I would just look I just want like the court next inaugur to take it down that I got I got a lot of flack last time for. Gray made schedule, and then he moved the very first incidence of this. As Mike said, we didn't even get to one. We did we didn't even get to wine as as like tears roll down your cheeks into your beard like yes. Yes. Okay. Well, then guess what we didn't get to one again, but it wasn't me this time. It was you this time you moved cortex right so I just wanted that like officially on the record o our second scheduled time, which would have been the scheduled time I did not move it. You moved. All right. One was we share to a for the tenth, right? I don't know. All right well. and. I've moved it two days earlier. Yes. I did you days earlier not Great doesn't it doesn't it's not the same. What do you mean? It's not the same. Around me and be like, of course I could be completely took because I'm doing them right now I never set you set the shell. So you broke the shell you set the show to an I moved it that doesn't matter it's not my jewels. Don't give me schedule. You wanted to schedule for years. I gave you a schedule. Off Means. To you wrapped up wrapped up in a little bow as it here Mike All Right here is the thing that you have asked and wanted for years and you wear so happy and you, and now you're only making the situation was for yourself. Next month. Now A big thing right like you now making thing. So. Now, when you move, it becomes even bigger. To spend every episode for the next year having this. Conversation. But look look I, mean. I I know what you're trying to say here but let's get real. Neither of us is really expecting that I'm going to be the one who really sticks to the schedule. We both know that's not really going to happen. So it no one surprised when grade moves schedule, it just is pretty shocking Mike move. Okay. This thing that I gave you just immediately treated very poorly. Very good recipient of gifts of an and for a little bit of behind the scenes, we almost had to move it just as we are recording now because of some stuff that came up and it was like. So we almost, we almost got like a double move something. We've never done before rearrange after we've begun but rounded up the parachute on that one we didn't do that. So anyway, thank you the court for hearing that at. Thank you to the stenographer getting down on the record I. It was very important before we'd be into to have that done. All, right. This September you can join relay FM in support of Saint Jude's Children's Research Hospital. September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, and so we turn all support to saint you during that period of time. 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We've got a lot of fun things planned lower wig challenges. A lot of great guests from relief shows going to become anonima going to be doing a lot of fun stuff but getting getting everything set up is is It's becoming quite a task I. Think I mentioned on a lost episode the I have three areas in mega studio. The I'm making right. So I spoke about her lounge area, which is fully done. Now I've been doing some streams and stuff from there. I have kind of a desk area which is partly set up, and then I had a third area. I wasn't talking about, but I will talk about. it is a gazebo full of balloons or at least it will be so Okay. So Okay. So this this goes back to last year At the Saint Jude campus, they have these filming facilities. And they have to studios and we used the lodge studio and then knows a small studio which we may be would have been able to use and I don't know how it came up but I was very excited about the possibility of every time somebody donated an amount of money way fly a balloon and put it in this room So it would show donations during the PUCK pastathon right you would see the balloons fillings, room Brian I was very. Excited about the prospect of being in that room and like talking right like presenting from the balloon room very excited about this But it ended up being outside of our scope last year and what we did instead was Kurt. Bullpitt that we had S-, every time bone somebody donate money. They got the name wrong bowl and it got thrown in the bullpen and there are many times during the PUCK pastathon row standing in the bullpen I'm recording on the Bukit. So I always papa custody onto one to do the balloon room. Right I was fixed on the balloon room. We're going to do the bloom, but then we couldn't be a memphis so I was like you know what? I'M GONNA make my own balloon room so Inside of Mega, studio car, we are going to be erecting Gazebo Is there a different word for Zibo? America. Is that like the people know what that means? I don't know if this is a British timeline you know, right? Well, okay. I think I know what you're talking about because I'm I'm hearkening back. To my time at the craft fairs and I'm assuming that you're talking about one of these kind of setups where you have like a booth. and. Yeah I think I know what you're talking about but now you are suddenly making me doubt. Do you mean a gazebo like you would find out on a lawn like kind of thing that people get married and is that what you mean? Yeah. But like a small one at those okay. Does Not at all but I had in my head when you were talking. Okay. So you mean, how did Balloon Stan? We have netting around. So I was able to find Gazebo. Okay. That had netted walls. Okay. So the balloon escape and you'll still be able to see in the balloons bonus scape and you won't escape. You'll just be in no I'll just walking in and out. Again like as of right now, the Gazebo is not up it will be. Okay I was like, do you have a picture of this thing, but you don't have a picture of this thing because you haven't built it I can show you what it will look like. Okay. Yeah. I. I would like a photo here because I'm just looked like human communication is very hard and suddenly I'm just filled with doubts that I have anything in my head like what you're actually doing. Okay. I just sent you a link to what I have procured. Okay. Let's see what this Zebra looks like Cola pop-up Marquis Oh. Okay. Well now that makes me think I'm thinking of the original thing that I was thinking of. Yeah maybe. Okay, right? Okay. Yes. I understand what I'm doing. Okay. Yes. I understand what you're doing. Now the thing is this is much closer to what I was imagining like say. A young boy would sell pretzels out of with his father like this is much closer to that when you were like, no, no, it's like a Gazebo that people get married in and then I was thinking of a wooden thing in a park and I was I just didn't know what was going on here. But like so. Now, you said that the wooden ones? Yeah but. People also get married in Marquees right, which is kind of close to but bigger ones. Anyway this is what I am erecting in the studio inside of my studio. We'll be filling with balloons with the idea the as we raise money during the podcast on the balloon room will get more full I like it and I will be able to be inside the big full balloon room obviously to do this requires the prevailing of many many hundreds of balloons. Right you're not going to fill them live on air some for sure. Okay. By not all because of was the sound of balloons being inflated won't be the entire six hours, right? So. We're GONNA fill out many hundreds of balloons and advance. Dina, here in Mega Studio, Brigham in Nets, put them behind the Gazebo and slowly fill up the Zepa you feeling them with helium like going no I feel about helium but there was a coupla things of helium one. The ceilings of Mega Studio very, high? Right? I don't WanNa be dealing with that in two helium balloons will go to the top. which won't have the visual effect of filling rights. Go the other way more be like helium balloons are crushing you from above right in planning to say anything but was also just wondering. What is the like those those Gazebos as you call them the the they're not that heavy. I was just beginning to wonder like what is what's the maximum thrust of all of these balloons and I was looking to keep real quiet. Been actually quite a fun thing to have occurred. Right I you how how many balloons until the Gazebo leaves the ground would have been fun moment. No it we're GONNA be doing Aaron here. That's like that's the big thing. I've been keeping under my hat I mean. So here's the thing like when when I'm releasing this episode because of things I will get to. Later in this episode, we have not had the ability to stop the set up of this. So I'm putting it all on the line hit gray has the Gazebo been delivered like? He's at Enormou- have all have everything come any hundreds of balloons I have an inflating machine. Okay. Bowed the nets and the whole nine yards. Okay. Great. Then you said what could go wrong I know what could go wrong? It feels like every I have everything could anything go wrong so I we've we've put up the men part and taking it down again we know Vince because it's massive because finally enough. gazebos. Difficult to buy during covet why out sock everywhere because people putting them up in the. I having. Aside? What are they doing? Right, right. They're making little rooms for themselves and their gardens, right so ended up being thing that was tricky to procure the night expect. what are you going to do with it? Man I've thought that far out. Yeah. Okay. So when it is up one percent of the floor space of Mega Studio, would you say it's taking up? Could twenty-five percent. So it's probably not something you'd want to leave up indefinitely. Oh, is coming down again for sure. But when it's down, it's very small actually I was I was just thinking like maybe this could be a fun like VR room for you can have like, oh, the the Gazebo is now VR Cave but if it's twenty five percent of mega studio, you probably don't WanNa do that is a fun idea but it's far too big. For Permanent? Fixture. But yeah, I I will keep it because like. You never know when you need a balloon room I guess it was when it's down, it's not that lodge a yes. Yes. A pretty small box that goes inside Well, that will be delightful. Is, one of the many many fun things we have planned full podcast onto, but is part of the very, very large job for a two person team. To put together. But if you'RE GONNA do it go for and that's what we'll do it. Right. We just before see what happens at Mcginn have fun along the way it's going to be. This week is going to be wild I would like the time tracking numbers for filling balloons. Z. What percent of the year that ends up being a leader on? Great. I'll let you know it's GonNa be a combined number. It's not just me. Thank thankfully filling these things. Yes, you. Mike, you are very, very busy boy this upcoming week and I do not I do not envy. I do not envy you at all. This episode of is brought to you by squarespace. 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What do you like about it I like that the so much additional stuff that you can do that you can't avoid year round like it's video the video thing right? Like you know I can play games I can show things like I've been doing some show Intel my growing keyboard collection no, the keyboard collection. Yeah we'll come back to. So many so many keyboards. It's yeah it's a collection, and now it's got a big thing in my life. But the moment. But so like I'm I'm enjoying now what I like about the about twitch streaming specifically is it doesn't have the overhead of post video, right? Like there's no editing. Has Many of the things that I enjoy about videos a medium. Without me having to think about putting in the many owls of walk of the editing and publishing that Youtube does right is that is that just because of the expectations of the platform or is that a side effect of twitch your streams after I don't know what it is what is like a month or something all the streams going? I mean I can host them on the Youtube Channel and I'm I'm planning on doing that for some stuff but it's just affected like All there is from a production perspective is the is what's happened live. and and then that's the end. That's the video, right? So like there's nothing more to do after that period of time relay like there is no editing to do for for me with wind because it's not like the blogs or it's not like product review videos well, and you do all the filming and then you start all the editing right? The twitch tree Michelle's like this is what I produced and you can choose to have been there when it was happening or you can choose to watch after the fact and That's all it is and I think I kind of like that and I'm thinking about maybe now I have room and space and stuff like that here in the studio like trying to make more permanent set up for that is definitely something that I'm going to consider like outspoken about always spoken about having like video ambitions hair because I will be able to stuff up and have it be more permanent but I think now that I will probably be turning my attention more towards streaming then producing some basically multiples twitch than Youtube. casualness of it. That's what you think. I. Yeah. I liked the casualness of the the actual video itself like the making of it like I like the interaction method of streaming like talking to people that are in the chat room like in the in the live chat and stuff like that. I. Enjoy that I find it to be quite chill actually like as a way of producing content is much more relaxed for me than other types of stuff that I make. Like they expectations are different so I find that quite relaxing as a content production thing and I also just liked that it's you sit down you do the things you got up. There's no more. All, that's there is what you did you what you put into when you alive is all that exists and and I I kind of find that quite refreshing because that's not like the continent I make. Yeah. I don't know I feel like I've I've had this like a heap asking because I've had this like. On and off again like. What is live streaming I? I never feel like I'M A to. Get into it like I've never found. Content creators that have been like, oh, I really enjoy watching a bunch of this live staff see I have also been watching way more to shrimps. Okay. So that's part of it is like I'm I found a type of content, the I liked to watch. which is people building keyboards. Now Okay right right. And building keyboards. And I've been enjoying that content I find it very relaxing to one GE-. So like it's it's content the I am. Watching semi actively you know. Right. Yeah. I mean I I can get that like. The I mean the the most recent live thing. I did watch was I I did watch Stephen put the wheels on his Mac pro oh. Yeah. So like he mentioned on that stream, an idea that I am saying that I really want him to do so I'm now going to say on this show is away pushing further. So there was a show called this old house in America Right I. Think it was good like a home renovation show or something, and he referenced like this old Mac well-liked. Maybe every Sunday he could take an Mac and show you the insides that I just saw like, yeah, man I would love the right because I think I have come to enjoy this like Calm. Comforting. Type of. Content. That the in-person twitch streaming can be. right and I think like a lot of time on twitter it's called like just chatting or whatever I I'd like to be a thing going on as well as the interaction so like with the keyboard stream as I watch. Doing something and also having conversations with the people that are there in the chat right? So I, like the mixture of that, which is like the calm conversation. A, lot of them was well have like beds of calming music through the streams, which I also really like like Lo fi hip hop type stuff if. No I. Feel like you're. You're watchword for this one is call right? Like you said, it's like Mike want something that's calm and it was just I was just trying to think of like the the few things that I've seen that live and am trying to like. Brings him stuff up in my mind that similar to this but a friend of mine at I didn't get into it for a little bit but not permanently. A friend of mine showed me these. and how to describe it like these crazy Mareo maker levels like. The world's most insanely difficult levels of Mario that you have ever seen as for someone who was totally unfamiliar with Mario Maker. It was very like wh- what is this madness? Yes. A wall game I never really got into it, but but I can see why people like it. Yeah. But anyway. So the thing about those streams is like, yes, the person who's playing the this is incredibly hard level. Is casually chatting with the audience about whatever but I would not describe it as calm because in the background they're pulling off just these totally insane maneuvers and all I could think of how can you possibly have a conversation with anyone while you're also doing these unbelievably God tier level moves in the background that's because to them it's like. Right. Yes I'm sure it is I'm sure it is but I don't think it wasn't like a calming viewing experience right whereas watching Stephen put the wheels on his Mac pro. I I, watched it but I also felt like, Oh, this is like a like a weird art project that he's doing over here. It was much more relaxing experience. So that's kind of like. where I am with this, right? Well, like I am in, it's like. I, I feel like it's a common thing for me were. If I find a type of content, enjoy consuming I like to see if I can do it. Yeah. Right I. This is this is a trait of me the I have come to realize about myself maybe in the last year well, like I've started to think like, why do I do I try to I. Try lots of things right and see what works and see what I like and what doesn't like and it's very frequent that like I will come across a style of content. I will consider Kenai try that I like consuming it what I like making it, and I try and sometimes sticks and sometimes it doesn't and I've kind of always been this way but I've kind of become self aware about this of myself maybe in the loss Eero. So it's like similar like I have enjoyed watching this type of content it is about a thing that I am becoming increasingly interested in. And so maybe I will try doing some of it myself. I've been doing a couple of streams in this vein during September because as we've been hitting different fundraising amounts through the campaign, we've been doing content and Stevens will thing was was one of those Mary. He basically changed the fee Alevis Mac pro to the really expensive. And like and I I really enjoyed watching Stephen do that in a similar wjm where it was like it was really chill. and I think I like that kind of I. I have come to enjoy that kind of content and so I'm also thinking like at the things that I can do in that space maybe. It's also. It's also a very natural part of the. Creative process that. It doesn't matter what it is like if it's if it's live streaming, you watch a bunch of different content creators making livestream stuff and then you start to develop. Like preferences or or like John R- sensitivities where you think oh I like it when people do this or I don't like it when people do that and then I think it, it can very naturally just. Lead you into thinking. Oh. If I was going to do version of this, how how would I do it and and yeah I I think that can just naturally happened for any kind of entertainment like, yeah I mean I know when I made that teakwood video I watched like a billion urban. Videos around that time. I'm GonNa just like what's this John Roll like? You know when I'm putting this together what do people do that I like and what do people do that I don't like and let me try to make my version of this thing and I think I think that happens really naturally with any kind of creative projects that I mean. The flip side of that is it's sort of Cliche, but it is true where you sometimes run into people were like Oh you know I'm working on a on a novel or whatever kneeling do read a lot of fiction no no I don't read fiction but I'm writing this novel is like Oh no project is doomed. The. I. Think it's pretty no more in the like four people that all creative, right? Yeah. You look at something in when you start to like it, you can't help but think like, can I do that to an? How would I do that? If I was going to do that unlike ends up becoming a thing and I think some people will not. Make it but I almost can't help myself. But always, WANNA try. Yeah. Yeah and I can see you know chill live with Mike as a as a future project for sure I it sounds very up your alley it fits for me I basically I want to get to a point where learn an am learning to build my own keyboards right From Hubei kits and you put them together and I kind of figure. If I'm going to want to learn that anyway, I may as well just do this stuff on life streams, right? Like it just Okay. So you want to live stream the process. Okay. All right. That makes sense. Yeah. So sometime, thinking about I'm kind of just putting I'm just noodling on a little bit. You'RE GONNA learn soldering is that one of the things? Yeah Do. soldering is fun. I've never done it. It feels like one of those things where it's kind of missing from my Geek them to have done anything with electronics. Your Geek resume. You WanNa put soldering on there. Yeah. I WanNa get the badge, right? Yeah. I was just thinking like the merit badge you can. You can prove able to poorly solder two things together rain to. They didn't. Immediately. Yes. Exactly. Never done anything like that. This feels like low stakes thing to try them. So, Yeah I. Just want to give it a go and. Basically all comes back to that tweet. The was sent into this show. The also cortex question than we had. It was like in the which started this whole journey it was from some local point and they sent us back in twenty nineteen but we read it on show much later basically saying if either of you ever used mechanical keyboards have been tempted further down the rabbit hole of fancy keyboards. I. Can see Mike's love of pens transporting to this Ryan they were right like. This this kind of interest. This kind of hobby I think actually into sex of a lot of things I like because I'm also is technology. As, well as being collecting and customization stuff like that. So. Some why not turn into some kind of content. But what I don't want to do is make a podcast. I don't don't WanNa. Do that I have no interest in them. Yeah. It's something like Mike Learns to build a keyboard poor podcast contents, but it doesn't it's just not suited for no but I could and make a version of the panic but with keyboards not Mike Learning. But like Mike being interested in this hobby finding someone more knowledgeable than him to help teach him and the audience if they're interested and then over time my knowledge builds and then it becomes talking about what new products exist in the world right? Like there is definitely leave the panic model. Would fit for keyboards easy but I don't WanNa do that. Just because I I think I've said this before on on the show of like when I was talking about having obese and this is definitely a hobby is like not turning into work. And the Stream and stuff are to do right. Exactly. The stream and stuff is like I don't really think of that as the moment I'll say this. I mean who knows Oh my item on you. Think of this as work yet it's far enough away at the moment from why do brank for reading And if a ended up becoming something that was walk like that would mean that it was successful otherwise she maintained to be my hobby but I don't feel the same. Twitch streaming than I do recording shows like that is working different parts of my brain is like Iranian loved recording videos hated editing them because editing was too close to the editing the do for audio you know. So. Yeah. Pandemic busy my friend. And busy. Yeah. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA add livestream are repertoire here. As soon, as as soon as you start getting, you know whatever it is like the twitch version of youtube super chats like twitch donations. Then, it's going to suddenly become much more much more work like but like you said that just means that it's become a successful project. But it's charming to hear you say that now at the beginning of it like Oh, this isn't work. I'm knowing my boundary. So right? Yeah. Well, like I have set the boundary of I'm not starting podcast about mechanical keyboards that boundaries said I. Think I think that the right decision. If I want to dabble in other things, I will allow myself to do that because this was expensive hobby so If, I if I want to do it trying to make some money from is a good like that's good for the spreadsheets. Right? Right. You'RE GONNA try to recoup that I can try and bring some of that money back into the business a little bit but like it feels like something to play around with in an area, which could be which intersects I think enough with some amount of hobbies. So I want to tinker with it without integrating it into my current crib book. That's kind of the important part for me I wanted to be adjacent not part of why I'm already dying if I do it. yet which you totally do. Well, you know we'll say the podcast on being over is going to free up quite a lot of time in my schedule I can't say about. Is He busy Mike. 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No. Past Gray's doing such a terrible job explaining anything here, and it's like this is just this is what he sounds like when he's in the middle of a project, it seemed like there was definitely an episode that caused a lot of discussion and generated a lot of interesting feedback but for me, it was mostly like. Why do I explain things? So poorly when I'm in the middle of them but I. Mean. You can take another crack at no I'm not gonNA, take another crack at because I'm still because I'm still in the middle of it. I'm like don't rush me Mike. This is oh You are. This is me awesome you yeah, I'm I'm still very in the middle of of this. I don't know I. Think I partly sounded like just a complete weirdo on the last episode and a lot a lot of the feedback seemed to line up with that like. How does how does he do anything? He's not doing what I think of is notes that was that was an overwhelming tidal wave of feedback of like. How are you able to accomplish your job at all if you don't take notes. Came directly from me to you. Don't feel like I fully understand how you manage. Anything really. Yeah and there's and there's still totally a part of me which is like I. Don't know about these notes I don't know about this. Yeah I feel like this is going to be a longer threat for a while I mean, maybe maybe again I. I'm I'm still very much on the side of just the brains are really different and I think the feedback itself just totally demonstrated this that there is a way that some portion of the population does think about notes in the way that I do, which is like, what is this what you know? What is this for? and. I think you could see pop up where it was the same thing with they're like Oh, the other people are really doing something. I just always assumed it was nonsense to this. This is what I mean just like brains are different and you can find these little. But they're just not. You just don't know where they're going to be or or it's not obvious where where they're going to pop up. But yeah. I'm. Still. I am still very in the middle of this I'm still sort of. Working out what what the new system will be. So I don I don't. I don't have a lot of specific follow up like you may have hoped on this on this topic but. I wasn't expecting much. Being honest yeah. I just wanted how if you'd gotten any further and if you had hell far. Yeah. So I guess I guess I would say. While while I don't. I don't have a clear direction forward at this point I have. Very clearly decided. Oh. The past. Goodbye. I'm just going to dump some kerosene on all of my ever notes walk away and throw a match over my shoulder WOM- years zero we're beginning again and let's figure out from here what the new glorious future will be, and I've picked intentionally to video topics for the next two projects that are are almost like toy projects that are easy to play around with this topic of Oh. How would notes work and that's what I'm working on while I'm trying to figure out what is the new system going forward also especially after the. You know personally crushing t Koi incident like it's useful anyway to pick lighter topics for the next two videos instead of some of my original plans which were very complicated videos like what? This is not the time to do that. So I picked a couple of toy topics of like, okay. These are easy to do I know I won't run into any major problems here and the first one stylistically even doing it. So it's very clear that this is not a one hundred percent serious video. So it's like if there's a, there's a minor factual error like it's fine because this is clearly not supposed to be like an encyclopedia entry on this topic, and so that's sort of what I've done topic wise for what I'm working on, and I also think the the freedom and the lightness of topics gives me a lot of room to play around with. What the system is or how how do the notes work and because they're smaller topics I can like just crunch up a bunch of stuff I've worked on and try to format it in a different way and see how that works. So I'm very experimental, very experimental with notes for the time being and I'm just sort of seeing seeing what's going on and trying to figure out what the what the future will be. But I I guess that's also a little bit of saying for the Youtube Body. It's maybe he's now a time to be a bit patient on when the next video will be like I'm doing total like once in a decade reboot. Work. Interest. Choice that you make right you can. You can choose like I'm going to make this change before the next video or you can be like well, I'm gonNA keep walk in the old way and develop the new way I can understand from your perspective that while the the reason this is happening is not because you had a new idea or found you system that you thought might be fun to play around them if you've highlighted that you need to to look at this as a potential way to help you in the. Future then it you'd be kind of foolish to not do this beforehand I took it very seriously what I said at the end of the siege gray was wrong video of like Oh have done this autopsy and like at the end of that video say, Oh, you know if we need to change things, we're gonNA change things I didn't specify because I'd have any idea what specifically would mean but that has very directly translated into like, okay. I need to rethink the way I do primary sources and my notes on primary sources. I said it in a slightly strange way there. But when I mean the next video, I, think what? A clear way to say it is like excluding these couple of toy projects where I'm just experimenting like the next heavyweight video have some light green videos maybe. Something something along those lines. That isn't maybe it's easier to say stuff the in nature is not something that requires heavy research he created exactly right. So okay. Would you call it gray explains in San Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The videos the toy projects are still like they're going to get that official logo on the side which makes them like the official real gray explains videos right. But the topics have just been selected for very limited scope Guscott. That's clever. Yeah. Well it's it's also like it's been a good time to like step back and take not a break exactly but just do rethink reevaluating some Steph. That gray was wrong. Project was was extremely taxing on a very short period of time and I just knew like, okay, this this costs a lot of. Points you know they're gonNA take a long amount of time to recharge and so like doing the note stuff is a good thing to be tinkering with like while I'm building back up to that, and then when I was thinking about is like, okay well, if I'm burning the past, the future is now totally totally gone and all of my vague plans for like this is the rough outline of the next six videos like forget that wish in the garbage to like. Today's a new day from right now given what you know what topics would you select if nothing else mattered? Okay. There's two obvious ones that I can play with, and then I'll do a reevaluation of what the what the rest of the topic's going to be. So so that's a little bit of of. Wareham with with the redoing of the notes well, I look forward to coming back to further I really look forward actually to finding out which APP you end up landing on. That's the thing. That's all people want to know people WANNA know about absolute do WanNa, know. Let me rephrase it people in general probably don't Care Call Texans, they've really can. Know Texans really care about the APPS and and also I get it right like. We all know like, ooh gear is the most exciting. The APPS of the most interesting right because they are the physical and digital in stations of ideas I totally get why people care. You know what Penn did you write that novel with people want to know I do have some initial thoughts. Okay. So there's this phenomenon where once you noticed something you notice it everywhere debate a Meinhof phenomenon. Yes. Thank you I couldn't remember. The name for us one of the only thing, our member because I, I love bringing it up and had to look it up so many times that it stuck in my brain. Okay. How do you say it's way down Meinhof baider-meinhof again, how would you explain to the audience if you've looked it up so many times says the Vadim mine phenomenon is you become aware of something and then you see everywhere in real life. People is like. You buy a call or someone you know buys a car and then you see that model of car everywhere right? Right. So I'm having I don't know of it is this phenomenon I. Have a suspicion that it's kind of not. But at the same time also feel like, oh, the whole world of notes is going through a revolution right mental you you have hit on a very like weird time, right? Like this might be off the reason why you've realized this is the thing that that you'll not. Doing like everybody else because you want it to look notes a time when everyone is due in wicky right up. Yeah. There is a big upending in the way that note applications a look at Any is this thing of like the notion nation. The Roman Rovers road there's no is the Roman I think the one I heard I liked best was the Roman Legion which feels really awesome. I really liked that but there's a reason we because I also heard people say Roman Empire we didn't come on that because we were going for liberation of all of them. That's why we never got any of the Roman ones but I I like Roman. Legion I Labor Legion legions. Good. So I'm notion nations funny and we see we don't have to alliterate everything because Roman Legion is excellent. Okay. So I feel slightly less crazy with you mentioning this because I I have been feeling like I'm paying attention to notes and so suddenly the whole world is paying attention to notes and it's like that's not how the world works but apparently it is no. No. Thank you. Thank you for confirming that just as I suspected like. Me Get to know and as quantum mechanics tells me like my pure attention creates the world as it is perfect. That's exactly what I thought. So anyway. I haven't looking into the notes. There is this idea that's been going around in this discussion of notes that my attention has created, which I think encapsulates a clear idea and it's this distinction between evernote Rome and notion and like what kind of person each of these APPs or four, and the idea is evernote is for librarians. Rome is for gardeners and notion is for architects. and. I've seen this like all over the place. This concept from people are trying to think about these different notes systems and I do think there's something really there's something really good about it which is why it's an idea that spreading I think that God. No one is the one. That's the most confusing to me the librarian, an architect, Tucking Kinda get that but I don't know why notion is a Godmanis. It's Rome is Rome for Gardeners? For architects okay. still hasn't helped. Yes well, I know well so but the gardeners wanted we'll get to that in a second but as soon as I heard, it was like Oh. This makes total sense and yes, librarians makes perfect sense notion is something that's been incorporated into my workflow purely through my assistant and it also is like Oh this of course is this good tool for architect getting like a more permanent structure around something like a company right and procedures and checklists, and how do you do all of this? Why, why notion allows you to throw a database in the middle of your text file like it's sort of leans in this direction of. You want to build a beautiful cathedral that is complete about this topic like that's the way that tool works. So the Rome is for gardeners one like the reason this is confusing to you mike is because I think the idea that this is trying to express is the same kind of idea in the Tzeltal cast in system that I was describing last time you're not making the outline ahead of time you don't know specifically what it is that you're building and unlike a library, you're not trying to file things within a hierarchical dewey decimal system. You are having things grow and you're sort of tending to them as they grow, and the idea here is also like it's not You know it's not not like an English card in where everything is like like sharply cut lines it's more like this is like a wild managed garden and you are the person who's overseeing it, and that's like the idea is that cast system and that's also why it makes sense the way Rome does things is like Oh. Okay. It's it is leaning you in this other direction of it's really easy to create notes. It's really easy to link notes to each other the. The focus is, is like much less on the specific content of any particular note like notion does and it's more about the relationships between them. And I just think this seems to me like a pretty good division in how do people work these three ideas and even the Gardner one being a little bit confusing to me seems like no but that makes sense because if you are this sort of person, it just makes sense to you right away and I think very clearly like, oh, I got attracted to settle. CAST, in the first place because the ideas that I originally came across related to it like this makes much more sense to me than any of the other two messages. So all of that is to say that Rome is obviously the tool that I should use but I don't like it and I don't like it either for reasons that are incredibly hard to pin down like. I was trying to think about it before the show of I I need to be able to put into words like why I don't like Rome. And I can come up with nothing specific that doesn't sound ridiculous. So I'll just say like this is the way life is sometimes sometimes you find yourself a little repelled from something and you just don't know why it's okay to go with your gut sometime. Let me throw in some of the reasons to I don't like the moment and it might change one. There's no APPS right Interested in that, and then because it's just for the web, like it's just on the web, it feels like it has absolutely zero personality. because nothing like his some white pages and you just go for. It doesn't. It doesn't feel like it has a personnel of any kind. Maybe that's not important probably important and I reckon I would maybe feel better about it if there was an APP, but like it just I don't WanNa use a web page like to to put my notes into I just don't WanNa do that. Yeah. It's like one of the reasons I'm turned off of notion is right like it just feels like it's the web. Though it's an APP so like to be honest I'm not sure that I would ever really be interested in trying something like Rome because even when they build an APP I, expect to it would just be a web view inside of an application. especially when it comes to stuff like notes, there's like a security that I feel from in it being like A. Feels, like a native application. It just makes me feel more comfortable to trust my notes to that That's why I like the notes APP. I like bear. To use breath and not use it for like Markdown Longo writing. But if I was going to not use the apple notes APP, bear is the would use. Bear is doing more stuff like this. By the way you might want to look at gray for like connecting notes together and they just introduced. They've been doing this for a while where you can link from note to note but now they've done it where you can. To sections of our notes. Yeah. I I I. Did see that and again it's just like because my attention has turned to this topic now. All right. I was like, Oh, various is doing this thing to. Now I feel like I am in this too because like I think I would have previously just ignored that headline round like Oh notes, right? Even though I'm doing what y'all doing but now my brain is tuned to every piece of notes news. And of course, we have now done this to the listeners where I think many of them will have never even come across a piece of notes news in forever, and now every every c every scrap of notes news is going to be blared into their attention because of this especially anything noteworthy. I'm glad you're pleased with yourself. I thought scrap was close enough without being upon but now. You gotta cut go one for. It wasn't cheesy enough. Agree. I want to I will turn my attention back to room because I know that building and up, and that's why I will give it much more stew i. just know that there's no point in me trying to use it Nell because it's just not the tool for me. It's on the way only there because I I like to write notes. Anytime, I don't WanNa wait for an intimate connection that is like a very important thing for me like if this does not work off line I, contrast it as my notes up because I want to retrieve an ad that information without waiting without delay without fail. So I need to know that all of that content is available to me whenever I need it and web pages is not that right lane. If I have something I want to write about I, need to write it right now and it needs to go where it needs to go. That's why I trust apple not like it does that for me to sink in his fantastic, the notes are always where I need them. You know like you see a notes, apple notes database builds incredibly fos like if I have new machine it sinking my hundreds and hundreds of notes takes a couple of minutes You know like that's I want. I don't want to be going out to the web every time Jack doesn't feel reliable enough me that way. Yeah, I like those are good. Those are good reasons. It's just a funny thing like Rome is in this the three big contenders for these kind of knowledge management systems evernote Roman notion are the big players and evernote is the dinosaur on the block and Roman notion are the new kids on the block but they're very different in the way that they act and of the three it's very clear like Rome is the tool. That I should use but I don't like it and I cannot specify why. But the flip side of that coin is that there is a tool that I shouldn't like but I totally love and that is Obsidian, which is the one I mentioned last time I had been just investigating a little bit but like Boy Oh boy do I love a city in and it's the reverse I've got I've got a long list of things that I could tell you about why I shouldn't like Obsidian, but they don't matter because I just love. Editing the episode before I was looking at the website again and I was listening to your description and I tell you I still do not understand what this application. Looking at the images that they website I was listening to explain it to me for the second time I'm going yeah. Yeah, and I don't understand. Why graphs I don't know whether it's actually ought like I. Get it I. AM pleased. This one is interesting to you but like. Oh, it's not. It's not interesting like I. Love It. Right. Let me tell you. I've got all these reasons. Why shouldn't? Oh it's an electron. App I hate electron APPS, but. Whatever the programmers that doing an amazing job of making it feel like it's just a different tool and not a gross electron up looking at you slack. Right. So like I don't I, don't like that at all. It's tiny development team is like two people. It's a brand new projects like the the variance uncertainty is incredibly high. They don't even have any monetization in place right now they've got a plan for like how they will monetize the APP like they don't have it right now all they have is it option to sign up and just give them some money to support the development which I one hundred percent did exchange for nothing like please keep building this up I. Love It. Oh. It's Mac. Only. No. APPS NO IPAD APPS probably never will be I just assume never like on there. Really they have a little Trello board what's under development and like the farthest end very long term you know mobile apps but even there they're they're like term projection is is just a lightweight one something for capture and for access but they're not even like they're not even dreaming that they're going to recreate the whole thing on Ios what an incredible downside I don't Care I. Love It. I've been playing around with it, and it's just very obvious that have all of the digital tools. This is the one that just suits my brain, the best and. Yeah, it's you know you can do the kind of Tzeltal cast in sort of thing I think probably one of the clearest things I can say that is a function of why do I like it is it's very easy to open up a bunch of little windows. So really trying to recreate this idea of all the notes are sort of index card sized, and if you think these are like these aren't endless scrolling text documents. These are index card size pieces of information. Well, you can fit a lot of index cards on an Imax screen and obsidian makes it really easy to do that like every time you command click on a link in one of your notes. It'll just open up in a new window like fit it somewhere on the screen. So it's a great way to be able to look like a bunch of stuff at once it really is very Lindsey, but in the good way in the way that Lennox can be terrible. So. yeah I I would say I really like obsidian and for my own total self interest. WHO's trying to Rome and has felt like they don't quite like it give obsidian try because I I would like them to get a bigger user base and then to be able to have a monetization plan so that it continues to exist. But yeah. So that that is where I have fallen on the digital tools side Obsidian, the APP I shouldn't love, but I really do. They also have an eighties theme which is totally Rad. Okay. This episode of Cortex is brought to you by express. VPN. If you watched the office if you have, you probably know that the US series is based on UK series also called the office. What if I told you that there are nine of countries around the world own versions of the office that you've probably never seen a bit. You didn't even know about them because available in your country, but you can access content available all around the World Gio restrictions when you use express VPN expressed APN. 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What what has happened like my office is blue and there's like if we're making a list of here's the top three most interesting things that have happened to gray in the past many months like that easily makes the top three list. That's that's what I mean by boring right I like it. I like boring and I was just looking at my calendar the other day and I realized I passed my what what I'm thinking of as my sixth month quarantine her serie. because. I was looking at my calendar. And it occurred to me as like Oh. What was the last social events that I did in person and I realized That was that was more than six months ago. Now was the last time I socialize with human in person and so yes, I. was quite a while ago. It's been great. So. Yeah. Very low key quarantine but. Nice I mean, do you feel the same way? Do you feel like your life has no events? Different events. Different events. What do you mean by different events? I, still have things going on right On is happening. Right we're getting into new phone season These are things that always happen. Anyway. Ni-. Have had that period of time up until now. Because things that typically happen for me between March and September. Coal full lots of events start only really occurring person but this time of year kind of September to December as south happening for me which always happen the way that I'm doing them. So, it feels like I'm getting a little bit of normalcy there. Right like new iphones multiple part releases of different like all that kind of stuff I always did down home, right? So like right those feel like. And also like. Our quarantine is different in the I have my studio, right so I'm leaving the House I'm going to will place every day I'm here basically every workday now by the way. It's great. Yeah I have a commute again, which is interesting. I write she'd like it because it's a bit more activity I can get walked on the commute or like I'm like I'm finding all of the things that can be good about commute. There are bad things about commute shore like I have traveled caught again. Like weird thing, it's been six years since I had travel cod. I kinda hate that I have to use the physical is to con that like t.f O of no found a way to make a digital toys to call in my phone, which they could totally do it. They wanted to why don't you just use the contactless credit card thing because it's more expensive I thought I thought it retroactively gave you the discount after you've traveled the gas kind of but also. If you'RE GONNA make, a business expense. Easier to pay for it in a chunk then for saving like tearful to generate receipts right by ever see travel cod. Yes. Okay. I got it. That makes that makes sense that it's Like, with this frigging cod, my wallet like a Chump. Out Every day. Feels like a real relic. I'm trying to think how long it's been since I've had a physical card like, Oh, I was a child. Do it just arrived in the? Me It has been six years six years since I had an ice declawed. So back on that again But that's kind of what it is. I. Have a pretty good like eleven to seven routine. Pretty. Standard. For me like don't typically get into the office before ten. which just fits with my routine and also means I'm definitely not around any of the busy times travel. And for my root. Super Chill everyday belly anyone on the trains I can stay within good distance like if that feels I've not been concerned about that I did get a bag. Okay. For your travel back and forth What bag did you get? I got back with the Bell Righto pack which li-listening Texans my remember as I brought this bag out once before back win mega studio was new and you really talked me out of getting a new yes. Yes. But frankly, there isn't a situation right now where I can leave things here. Right. That siblings I need to be home and here because I can't leave things here safely. Okay. Okay. That's right. 'cause immediate lockdown can occur at any point. I Been Bourbon in that fact because I had to self isolate last week. So last weekend I didn't feel too wall. Okay. Right like how feeling under the weather So the reason to be paranoid could just be a cold could just be a cold but like you get any sense. Elect well. I. Check. So I go to cover test how how is the COVID test I've heard terrible So. I found it. Okay. Because people told me about it was. Okay. So it's different in different countries around the world but in the UK, it's not very difficult to get tested is trickier right now but like the mechanics of onto bad, we just went online a mom they mailed me a test, the test subtle delivered by Amazon, which is like this wit to stop Ian. But convenient thing that it that is really weird that that does very much feel like the movie where it's the corporate future you everything is brought to you by Amazon even even your government covid tests is very by large right because in wally the president of by lodge is the president, right? Now, it's very close to that but honestly was convenient right like with him on Sunday. And then so we took the test I mean. So if you don't know. Think about the Cova testing is here in the UK. If you have a car, you can drive to a drive through and someone will administer the test you. Oh Yeah. But if you don't have the best way to do is they send you the test but that means you do the test to yourself. And the instructions like okay. You have to take the swap you have to rob it on the tonsils on your tonsils. Do not touch your tongue do not touch your cheek and it's like. I even possible. I don't think. I. Could do that I. did it. I did do it. Both manatee and did it and we didn't touch tongues. It's it takes a lot of practice like looking in the mirror and opening your mouth and being like how do I need to open my mouth in such a way that I can see a clear path to my tonsils without touching my tongue and like Adina was doing it by saying that worked for her, and I could just do it by just being like very like just paying attention or is the game of operations which playing and they'll say staying calm to right like you gotta become because it makes you want to. Gag. Right. But if you do that, your tongue moves, you say, really calm now my brother had done one a few weeks ago and he had really hyped up to me is like this is terrible. Going into it I thought it was going to be really terrible and really it just ended up being kind of uncomfortable. Because the other thing is you then take that same swab stick out be knows which is so weird. And you as the instruction, say you keep pushing into you feel resistance so that Net Gray. Just goes up in turning around, take it out stick it up. The other one is like. It is. It's a very like. Brutal. Brutal list type thing to do to yourself linked to administer this test yourself and your own bathroom. It's very strange but I'm happy that we have access to testing, right? Yeah. Yeah I mean of course of course you want access the granted but it still. Would but unfortunately, it took us a little longer like in in previous weeks it's been pretty quick but we'd unfortunately hit we took our tests in a week where there was a bank holiday said it was one list air processing, and then also a week where for some reason, there was just peop-. Lots more people test themselves seem like the tax incentives overrun. So we sent a tests on Tuesday, which is so weird because you put it in the postbox. Right. I know that they're in tubes and bags but like you see the boxes and you're like, oh no, I can imagine as a postal worker rights like, yeah. Just like very strange right like anyway. So they then it goes off and you get a text and email and they're like you're negative but it we didn't get that until Saturday evening. So I was home from status. and. Let me tell you do not want to go into longtown again because I have gotten used to having an office now. Okay. So having the freedom of thank office Ya lockdown with the lockdown was much more brutal much worse. Because I could make properly right because it just happened you know like so there was stuff in the studio that I would have liked to have at home and didn't. One thing that we did do was re I. think this was spurred on by what was happening in the gray household. We really tidied out mega office So by the end of our isolation, it did feel nice to be walking in there because I wasn't surrounded by mountains of boxes whereas I described. So it did feel better and now like I feel like okay I actually do need to put some effort into mega office for the time being in case we have to go back Right Ooh, but I am so happy back in the studio again. But this is also like, why am I a week behind on physical pastathon prep because we lost the week studio in right? Of course of course that makes us. So we could we would have been a little bit further ahead with some of the up zone having to do a bit catch up on that. But yes so that's my quarantine. I'm loving studio dreading lockdown and you tested negative you feel, yeah, I mean, of course. The world again though but basically, like by the time I got my test bike, I was only two days away from being allowed to go outside again anyway because. `isolation time is ten days. Right. So I I mean I I guess I guess in theory in the circumstance he would've actually wanted to test positive and just stay home for two more days and then like if it's possible to benefit from antibodies, I would make the benefit right? Right. But like the frustrating thing was I felt basically normal off the three days but then couldn't go anywhere right because you don't know I'm a full right like I've got I've waiting on a test result if it turns out, you know like you don't want to be that person you shouldn't be that person if I go to test pending, go to wait for the answer the test before I go back outside again, right? Foolish. Which would you? Yeah you don't you don't WanNa be the the start of a new little cluster. We'll be known as the Hurley Cluster? Onto there's new gospel. Cluster this guy was commuting to work every day even when he had a test pending what an idiot. So yeah that's quarantined. Boring life is the best life Mike I mean it is life you can get used to it i. feel like I'm used to it. Yeah. Maybe a better word is placid like what a blessed enjoyable stretch of time I've had is it was on my mind just because. I can start to sort of mentioned this in the video but like I'm just feeling The Beginnings of the cracks of social pressure coming back into my life. and. You know again, it's this. It's this difficulty of making decisions about what are and what are not acceptable risks but I'm feeling more aware of like this interregnum is coming to an end at some point and that's why it like it struck me as curious like I wonder how long it has been since I've seen someone in person not my wife like Kansas six months. And Yeah I just I don't know. Like I don't know when that first real break is going to happen but it just the can feel a lot of the world like spinning back up and invitations and social pressures kind of. Coming back in and SPA. Yes. They are occurring more but I do feel like it's easier to say no than before. You can just know where I. So yes right and and I think most people. Do the okay right like in the same way that like I have seen some friends and we're taking the recommended precautions the like it's pretty where you know it's like. Win Not like t chunk in any way right? Say right like no hugs. No nothin' and it's like I'm keeping my family still like I've seen some family, but there is no physical contact. Right insist and my personal result on that is everyone's like okay. Yeah. Yeah don't get me wrong. I'm not getting messages that are like get in the car loser. We're going shopping like shed is ice cream of me gray. There's there's none of that kind of stuff it, but it's just I'm aware of like an exponential increase in the number of like come to this thing go over here and it's like, Oh, please though I don't want to know no one has has had even the slightest hint of a negative response, right but it's still like. Again it's just it's the difficulty of making these decisions and these like. These risk calculations and and trying to think about. When are sensible points to reevaluate? And I think one of the other things that there's just on my mind is I've been aware that in the beginning my wife and I kept having like a really clear reevaluation schedule. So it was like, okay. Maybe there's a global pandemic coming. We're going to go into lockdown for two weeks and then we'll see what the deal is and that was like Oh. God. This looks really bad. You know we'll check back in in a month. Oh, it's worse than worst case scenario. At one point I remember we had we will reevaluate on Independence Day like American Freedom Day will be the day that we believe are quarantine. That reevaluation day came and it was like. This is not happening I. Remember in March thinking maybe I can go to the Atlanta. Penn. show in April bright's also like in April thinking maybe I can be a memphis of the PUNK custos on. Days will things where it's like surely, it will be taken care of by then exactly. But then at some point after independence day and I don't know exactly when we ever really set a reevaluation points. Just like I guess this is the thing now and I think it is good to have dates to set as reevaluation points I. Do you think that was the only time in this whole period where my wife and I were like drifting a little bit? It's because we just hadn't set like Wendy we re evaluate it. But now my wife's been looking at like expert advice and. She's looking at. Okay. End of twenty twenty one is like maybe this is the reevaluation point who knows but it just like just to have something in your mind I am maintaining as I should be like being very webbing, very valid digital and all that stuff right which is my preface the saying that I am finding myself thinking much more like looking around seeing what's happening in the wall seeing the way the retailers opening and dining just look in and and I think to myself you know what? Like? This is it. This is. How we're going to be for some time and there is A. Set of balances. The as a society AF were functioning properly, we can try to and individuals we can do and I'm basically like. I'm not getting upset anymore I'm not freaking out anymore I'm Kinda just like. All right. Like a minute we're in it and we'll just keep going and till win though yeah, not yet don't get. It's like it's a similar thing I don't. I don't feel like I need like like you booked like I. Don't feel like I need the sense of like maybe a couple of months it will be taken care of or I'm Kinda just like. All right like any nail and and I'm just GonNa try and find life within these parameters and just get used to it. Because if I don't do that I, don't know what house is GonNa feel like this is just wear I am oh. Yeah. Yeah, and it makes sense you know and it's also. Again, it's just trying to figure out where to set the dial with these things. The only thing that I have found genuinely frustrating is just like the not the inability to travel and that, and that's part of what the big like. Reevaluation point is as well as like okay. When is the next time that if something came up that's interesting for a project I would feel comfortable getting on an airplane to go investigate that project. That's you know that's a question. You. Know and then the other question on. So that's like one big one and that does feel like the twenty twenty one reevaluation Yeah. But then on a much on a much smaller scale, there's there's just the question of like. I've never gone this long without some kind of great. Haitian or without being on my own and just it's a funny thing is like Oh losing all the socializing no problem but not having a period of time. Actually completely isolated. Yeah. Like boy been a long time since that and. You know my my wife is looking at me the other day. She's usually the one who initiates this she's like. You. Look. Like you could need Greg Haitian and it's like, okay. How do we evaluate that as a risk? I have no idea like it just haven't even. Thought it through. But those are the sorts of things. We're just trying to think like what are the trade offs here? What's what is being too cautious? What is possibly being not cautious enough like it's it's still extremely hard to judge. And it is in part of this feeling that I think. The vast majority of the world is basically where you are mike like yeah, this is okay. This is the way things are. Four some indefinite period of time and people are like getting on with their lives. I think that's the way. Most of the world is so yeah, it's just it's just thinking about things in in those contexts, but that's partly why just feel like there's some some kind of cracks coming. And I just I don't know what the first thing to crack will be like. Maybe, my wife will find some totally isolated place to dump me for two weeks. You know for like a great Haitian and that will represent the I kind of. Quarantine break I just don't know. They just don't know what's what the situation is going to be. We have a couple of staycationing is coming up we have a family event and then with doing something for dance but they. So. What are you? What are you doing in terms of the physical miss of more does that mean like is the family getting together? Are you going to someplace in staying overnight? We're going to a place for a few days. We're going through a few days if it goes well and walks out of when as fun like I can't imagine me and it into a more of that stuff throughout the Lia. finding a hotel just just a change of scenery. Yeah. Yeah and even with that have been more in the outside world lately like the physical outside we have okay I do have a question I have a question feedback question for the audience. So. So masks everybody's wearing them I think. My face is too big for mask like okay. I cannot find mask that seems to fit. It's like the distance between. The top of my nose and the bottom of my chin. Is Too large. All right. I was having this problem. Okay. I'm GonNa, send you a link. You're not gonNA like it wasn't going to send you a link. I feel like I'm not gonNA like my. Adidas make mosques. Okay logo on them at on the how you feel about that that's what I think that you might like. These are my favorites as in my favorites then made then not. It's difficult to explain what made from but that kind of like they feel like spongy in a way. Okay. Get a pack of these. They have the medium and large like a small medium medium lodge two sizes get medium large is fifteen pounds. So three pack. These are my favorite stay fit me the best. I was having this problem to like. That I cannot find a could not find many options that would cover my nose to old around my chin. These do I really liked them. Yeah I would find something that would cover until I would open my mouth at all and then it would just it would come and not work I mean okay if if. You can do I've been able to do a bit of talking but if talk for a Bay will slip off but I think that you'll never find an option. Now I'm going to find an option and this is. Why I'm asking the audience like, Hey, listen got to be someone else out there. Who's phases too big. But who also wants like an N. ninety five mask to protect them from all things. All right well. Help you with because these additives wants. Coverings, right? Yes. I can see the I'll I'll take I'll take them over nothing right like if something just. has a pocket for a filter so you know who you can go. Get those and see but okay, you are asking for this feedback. How we how are you? I mean to collect it way to you won't be the reds people go into go into the red that's way to do it. There's no one home on twitter send stuff to the read it. Okay. That's that's the best way to find stuff but that's why I wanted to make it very clear because his two things I don't want to happen which is I don't WanNa feel tweets all get emails. Yet, don't send stuff to Mike that'd be terrible. It doesn't happen to me very often but like if you ask something specific like this I know I'm going to get caught up in your that's that's my request. I will I will happily benefit from this crowd sourcing because I'm always on the lookout for new mosques they add eat us ones or the ones I have liked the most bucket they are far from perfect. Yeah I hate the logo it's ugly. I mean look what I what I really want. Is A CORTEX brand mask. That's the thing that I actually want. It doesn't exist doesn't exist it look at this is not for a lack of trying my. This is the thing to get right seems to be pretty tricky. Yes. But that's but that's what I would like to bring into the world is the CORTEX Brad Mask but it doesn't exist. So in the meantime. Helped me core Texans feedback in the read it.

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LWW 44: Our Favorite Festive Books and Films

Lesbians Who Write Podcast

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LWW 44: Our Favorite Festive Books and Films

"Welcome see lesbians as you write with Claire Liden and TB mortensen conversations about writing and lesbian fiction join us as we drove back the curtain on the writer's life. Hello and welcome to episode. Save forty four of lesbians you right. And this week we're going to be talking about all favourite festive books and films joining me. Claire Lydon is my co host the Christmas grinch TB Malkin San Hell ATP. Today I am the Christmas great. Actually I don't know if he could see my teacher. Peter Recording the What is it angry cat decorated as a Christmas tree and he looked really groping at me? Looks like a they very much a you kind of patient. Yes I don't have loyalty and there's a there's an uncompromising wrapped up in there somewhere unless he he can unwrap it. Pull pull the ribbon of. You're pretty often. And you got your grumpy Cap Teasha on say we already need to be Christmas Green Tonight and obviously I'm going to be the Christmas fairy until the tree remember. We talked about last week. Here the lightness darkness. Bring it Nice Iceberg. Saying give me a dauntless for the week TV Oh this week Oh my God I don't make I got so Remember last week when we talked in the middle of a mental mental breakdown about my lizzy novel do that Yes. Well it's been what almost a full week since we talked and I actually listen into you which is going to be shocking news. Because I usually don't listen to you but you told me I should be kind to myself and that I was not not handling the ending the getting over the finish line with Lizzie very well. Because I was stressed. And it wasn't ready and so I did. I pulled back. Change my editing date from The final edit to just another round before you can get to the final product until I was able to Nagel an extra five days on the editing deadline insulin. The new deadline is Friday so the next forty eight hours is gonNA really suck. I can almost feel like the week coming off my shoulders knowing that it wasn't the final product that I had to complete over the weekend and so I think it's coming together more. I mean it's still not there but I think it's coming together more in. It's been more enjoyable to write again. which is always a plus for writer because I think it shows for the readers if you like if it was just like a grinding product or if he actually enjoyed it but I mean obviously I had to change inch by publication date? I was hoping to push early. Twenty twenty but I had to address that by think in the long run. I like to play the long run more than the short run. I think it'll be better thing. So Oh thank you for that advice in for even after we stopped recording last week you still stayed on the line with me. Try to convince me even more changes editing deadline. So I did in. I think it's going to be for the best so thank you very much. You'll welcome and Yes I was that putting. TB back from the cliff fetch. What would it be? Take my hand take my and we we can do. It together is very easy. Sometimes when you're in this this joke to get caught up in what ye think that everyone wants today your readers and what you think you should do and you've committed to the deadline. I but you always have to remind yourself. I'm guilty of it too. But that's why I'm counting on you to discern from me up when the time comes but you remind yourself that now in actually. CK's no one cares when you publish your book apart from year. And you have control of that and so if it's not going to it's going to affect the quality in the book or if you're not happy with the book just change. The deadline is not the end of the world. If that's true in my other freak out last week was with by H. L.. megacell because I had to format Sale which is always massive project. I I put in a Lotta hours so if I sound a little loopy it because I haven't been sleeping much much but I only have like two more days of pain in can relax for a couple of days but I am almost two-thirds Donald Sale. I am I plan to be at this point on Thursday. Hey that's tomorrow. We're recording this on Wednesday ahead of until I'm getting there defiant. This year is almost over a camp fucking way EH. A twenty nine thousand nine but the you're you're helping out both is doing the I.. Agenda but you'll giving the breeders at brilliant and to be presence fully and I can tell by the way you roping you Christmas grinch alleys. They is a lovely say a yet. I'm sure I speak on behalf with lots of other lives when I say I read it when I say thank you and welcome. Thank you very much and then one final thing I have to say about my week in. We'll find out what's been going on in your world or have been having a lot of fun obviously since. I've had these two massive things but I did go for my massage on Saturday. I've been going regularly. Did I've been having problems with my left shoulder. And I almost considered cancelling lean but then I decided that would be a terrible move because I was going to spending long hours at the computer that I really needed to go. Mike Therapy session and It's getting better. I can actually kind of move my left shoulder now. UH-HUH I see you're stretching. I'm on your everytime. I mentioned the Mike My Shoulders. You start fussing about yours hypochondriac. Nice these as long as CG. Say That I'm just oh ooh. I'm very mesler Angie verse. Say Well I I think I would want gave a message because they Gemini Hurts. That's and that's probably because I need them but I'm very very shy about game is a quite often comes in here and stops to give me a massage on my shoulders khanum singing. I'm not less nice. And then she finds no and then she says delving into it. And I'll get off. Get off stop. It say. I'm not very good but I I should. Yeah you should because I will agree with you. They do hurt. I was leaving from a massage cabinets. Massage I'm like do you uh even though when I'm in for sixty minutes a sheer pain pretty much but it does feel better like the next day like during the process unlike out how Jesus just leave a not alone. That's fine. It's been living there for a while even the love. But then I'm like oh I can move my. This is brilliant. It moving you. It's is not underrated behind me. I don't think people realize well. I guess a lot of people people who work on computers. These days is becoming kind oral but the hundred older laptop is were not made to do that all right so now. Have you heard about my misery in the massage. What's been going on your side of the pond? Do you want me to bring you into the night into the night on the dock. The light I think the listeners would like little lake. This this holiday season it is the T- tastes the season. TB Jolie and say this week. I've finally finished the first draft minute. Oval on yeah. It is pretty much done. I just have to write the epilogue say am. I've decided I'm going to write that once I gave three. And no it because you basically this first draft is eight thousand was quite long For me and mine. Anoma around the seventy K.. But uh night if that's what it needs to be. That's what needs to be. I'm sure though I will cut some words and write some new ones own. The way at the second is the first draft is. He's done and I know that there are things in the beginning. It's financially I go up to the end and I go up to the scripts I only end up epilogue in a folder FOTA and I clicked on it. And there's a thousand words in the book as I I've heard the F. local ready I'd have the look and I've kind of started is in the epilogue okay and What happens to characters in there doesn't happen to them anymore? So I think I read the AP Leblanc really really. And then I change the plot slightly say The epilogue is going to be scrapped and rewritten. So I don't know what I'm going to find when I came back to start writing at to stop Gagarin in the second ed I I think they'll be bits of the first plot in there that needs to come out of luck changed about forty thousand so did came back and fixed it. But then I hadn't say Kenny. Maybe we'll find out. I have two questions you don't remember writing epilogue at all nine. I did not know that was liver In it if I remember correctly you had head of the plot idea in the beginning you changed it in any went back to kind of their original pop. So it's just like the third iteration than night because thing I had originally plop then by the time I started writing it by the time I got to the bad which is wasn't very far in than I change the plot and then I lost the plot. Yeah it was. It was a JAG begging to be made but the the key thing about this as as they I've written eight thousand would so that's good whether they wake sense nearby very doubtful and I think that I can see this need to be made better but you know the story is down. It's told And that's just the me and then the second draft is heavy build on out the kinks. But I finished it yesterday today. I am at about midday ish some giving myself. I gave us up yesterday often. Not Giving did my tax retention stacks Tree Party wanted treat yesterday as Iraq five thousand words and then Metaxas you ten. But that's Done that I've done my coporate. One M myself employment employment one say T- tax return two weeks gay and and I'm giving myself today. Yesterday I stopped then today. I done My other focused this morning. And I'm doing this because of She gives me myself tomorrow off getting out for a so. This is where my fun things this week is my wife and I going out to do a Christmas Day in London which we which we like to do every say I've booked tickets to go to a gingerbread architectural exhibition. Say architects coming. Bill City made gingerbread. Doesn't that sound brilliant. Brilliant over of kind of baffled by this Are you gonNA take photos. I took takes a phase. I will be curious to see like if I don't like. gingerbread houses are like really popular this time. You're never ever done on the grinch we know this okay so but I. I'm curious like are they going to be like multiple levels are like are they. Lake take like like literally Empire State Building gingerbread houses. I mean we should get architects ball. They imagined is kind of hard to rein them in. Yeah no I think that it's the whole city. There's is apartment blocks in a hospital in town Hawaiian streets and cause and yeah. It looks amazing from the from the fatal say I'm looking forward to gain say is at Somerset House. which is a lovely old very majestic? Was it like a state. I'm kind of thing is where they had. They had the ice skating rink there now. A columnist escaped acre. My life say I'm not going to be doing that by. I like to look ice skating. Rinks they look pretty good name in this weather. We winning Greenwich this. Yes that's nice and then we'll get an NDA festive market and the Golkar slice and then gave it probably a guy for Nice London noise and have a couple of drinks say. I'm giving myself Beta and Moscow tuna days break from the from the manuscript treating it like it's a whole holiday but it's really like a we get in two zero two and a half days. Yeah that's my. That's my Christmas right there and and then on Friday is is back to it and I might. My sister knows on facebook when I announced I finished my job. She's now you can relax for Christmas now. I know I know I can't go. unedited the deadline mid January. So I'll go get back with the the second so this Ozo- NC last Christmas at the movies which was bringing. It's been absolutely upset. He patterned in the press. All the critics have sent his terrible. I really enjoyed it last. Christmas aid is in new new Christmas movie and is written by Thompson and starring Emma Thompson and gulped. Emily o'clock in she's the lead. She was in game of thrones and who that Fella Latte the blake from crazy rich Asians DC crazy which Asians the lead in. That is the lead in this. His name Amy's Henry Anyway I thought it was brilliant is not. It's not your traditional Christmas movie but it's quite it's it will make you cry. A little bit homing and is gold songs from WAM and George Michael. There you go. We discussed last week. That's like that your perfect ideal. I mean W- in Christmas. Yeah wham Bam on that even keep the joke may say we asked me to care about favorite Christmas films. I think that that's GonNa be my listener because I really did enjoy it was it was good. It wasn't why expected until I went with low expectations and it's going to be cheesy and it wasn't that easy and I it was actually has some says you'll issues and and it kind of a different plot line as well Emma Thompson. Actually she she wrote it. You said he yet. She writes it and now she's direct today but she stays the mother of the lead in it as well as that she written others before. I really admire her. As an actress on surprised you know that that say she has identified about. It is kind of in the same tradition of as Richard Curtis movies but it's not as traditionally astray romance is nicer but what it does have. Is Christmas dismissed by the bucket laid and it will say has London by the bucket load if they could have done any more shops of London at Christmas I caught them like they come at every edlund but it was very which occurred his movies? All based on people live in Notting Hill Kensington Chelsea ovation very posh Josh. Whereas this one was based on people bill people? He live in light. Bill and Southland and East London and nobody was very portion. Everybody had AH great job and save is more realistic and would end with so they It's been Christmas a week. And it's GonNa get more Christmasy. We always say hasty dinner party. A eight people We we always have gang Christmas at our house just flew Christmas off friends. People still have dinner parties. We do. We have dinner parties. Tell him really. I know they really pop like bridget. Jones's diarrheas wasn't although like dinner parties. I haven't done a dinner party with. I haven't been uninvited. Maybe just maybe it's because the grinch I don't get it all right say this big this week's coming comments comments honey okay so so We have one comment today in. I apologize if I mr comment. I've been drowning in deadlines so I got a email from Alicia to my author. Email inch The podcast cracks up Alicia. But at least you had a question that when we talked about when I was in Ireland I said I could not not publish while I was in Ireland in only. She didn't understand that because she'd done. I think a writing seminar something there in yes I could rate is much. They wanted to in Ireland. But I did not receive a work permit so when you publish something that means you were working. Gene in our immigration lawyers. Were pretty honest about saints. The likelihood of me getting caught publishing while living in Ireland was low but the punishment would be high if I was caught especially since I was a dependent on my partner in my partners owners company have moved us to Ireland. So we made the decision that It wasn't a risk we are worth taking because it would threaten not only my job but her job so that is why I did not publish tonight. I've never I've just nodded when he said show. Okay she didn't want to publish. Let's get onto the big question of the week. which is what are your favorite festive books and movies essay? Tb What do you want to give full. I she would books for since we are a bookish cash bookish kind of podcast okay no did you want me to focus on my favorite Leszek festive books. Yes all right. Well you consciously allow a Christmas Carol going all right. My my first book on my list is GonNa make you cringe irradiated. Cringe you ready to go. Read your go get all British embarrassed yet goal while in Dublin. I was reading a a lot more lesbian fiction. My my Christmas in Ireland. I got really sick. I got the flu until I spent several days on the couch reading books in and I came across all I want for Christmas. By somebody named Clair Lighten Dino. Her nine she's okay so so I read that book and I found it absolutely hilarious. You have the best like dating bathroom scene. which most people I'll be honest told include in Romance? I don't know if you remember this but after I finished that book and after I recovered from the flu I really don't email. It was my very first email to you. Now you've talked talked about this before and as we know my memories terrible say I don't remember what did yesterday say nowadays. Remember back it actually read. It was my reply very careful. You're very friendly in a way. That's what that's how we started emailing each other back and forth the threat and we like emailed lake ten times on that. No that's pretty much the start of this podcast home. Line God onto the if I never have written willow Christmas we this would never be in and think about what did he say an email. By the way I just said I commented on I complimented you on the bathroom sinks. I just found that fucking. It goes into the bathroom with this falls asleep. I mean I've been pretty tired these past couple of days what. I've never fallen asleep on the toilet. Well Yeah and I think I've said before that was that thanks entry story. That happened to my friend. He actually did this on a date so I still. Have you ever known a woman the fall asleep on the toilet. I'm I publish that book. And you wouldn't believe they might be like that said that's happened to me people. This is like a thing. You sleep on toilet. Yeah it is. Have you ever wanted to sleep when manacles iphone asleep in benched emily. I'm very dull. Not GonNa come on your bed life. Okay moving on so my next favorite Holiday book is By my co author of Random cloud she wrote home for the holidays which which is vaguely based on the holiday film. Have you seen that one and it gets now that I said I can't remember anything about it. It just totally my head. When is when is one of my very favorite Christmas may be so nice. Yes Cameron and Kate was like there. You go that's The funny thing is I kept thinking Jack. Black Not Cameron Diaz Okay Wednesday night terrible lesbians falsely listen the only member check wack so this is like a housewife in a new American musician. Moves to your and she falls for sister college owner in In this one there was like another hilarious team. So if you want to Send Me Holiday said. I really prefer the really really funny ones which is weird because my books are very angsty and everything that I write but when I read I I prefer the wrong calms but there is a scene in this. Were the main lead like ends up hanging outside of the cottage window like totally naked and of course. That's when the vicar shows up when she's like this enter birthday suit so this is kind of funny scene. I knew then I would. I would probably get along with Miranda and Lo and behold we have become friends and we've written a book together so the two holiday books I read or listen to Listen the Miranda. I ended up co writing with them. Are we GONNA do a call right now. So maybe that's a connection with Christmas. Chris looks and you also. They did a Christmas Kiro as well gone. I know I can see this. Turn for this festive topic. But is it is taking his turn in the Greek as a huge connection the Christmas. Yes you see who is have been Christmas book. Something they have been and they've also done really well so have you noticed him out of Less vic festive books that have been published in the past two weeks. Oh my gosh is is a lot more like I remember two years ago. There wasn't that much in on this year is really exploded so in the since I knew this episode was coming up in. You told me that did I should read another one in an. You didn't do it. Miss Christmas I downloaded the audiobook or Tinsel by Chris Rain in it's a I think it was two and a half hour. Listen so it was a novella but it was a really cute book. It was really cute. So it Kinda take all the boxes for acute less fake a romance. It had the break-up right before Christmas. So you know obviously no one wants to be alone for Christmas. It's like the Link claim to break up had hi to really cute kitten who adopts poor woman who gets dumped like the night she gets dumped this kitten adopts her in it of course she has to take the kitten to the vet and of course the the vet is like a hot chick. I mean this has never happened to me in real life. I gone too many beds and it's never been object but you know I can still dream and then of course it starts off rocky with One of them. It's a bit testy all the time to the other so it's like kind of. She's very frosty. which kind of makes sense for holiday so the book has heartbreak Cute Kitten hot sex in cuteness at the end? Doesn't it take like every box for a holiday romance destroyed the cute kitten and we're all like Yep got it so no it wasn't really good. I think it was the first book Listen to you by Kris Bryant. So a Electri- humor and I will be listening to more for books. So what are your favorite list Vic holiday books well I now I said I was going to read anyone but then time. Just go away from me and Yes but the one new one I have read throwing trying to right back at. Ya is wholly an Ivy buy one TV markets in and Miranda McLeod and. I'm not quite finished yet. So I'm unpolished. Rating it. The I'm ready Akeem folding. I'm not saying you're sending me to sleep. I know only read sleep by. Just keep holding sleep put that I have a binder pig with the on this one it. Okay I'm enjoying the book. Don't get me wrong the whereas the Christmas Bevan that's is. My point is meant to be a Christmas book. Right is a holiday book again as Thanksgiving right is a holiday book. The the cup is snag. Laid the mittens on it whereas I won't Christmas and joined the book and I'm waiting aluminum but west Christmas in it be patient. I'm looking forward to a big christmasy ending up with snow falling and lots of kissing under the stars among GonNa gap. There's snow falling stars but there will be snowfall. Thank goodness thank goodness. He's he I I let. Yesterday I was like sixty seven percent three. And then I'll tell you she didn't need to shuffle down the line day to Christmas. When is it going to get there? Be The patient Patient say that's my that's my more recent pick Rachel joying patiently waiting for the holidays. Today's to happen and I think my all time. Favorite less fiqh festive books. They all I've got a he chasing. Bright Ably really by Jerry Hill now. I haven't read that many Joey Hills I must say but I think I've read full which isn't that many as? She's go quite quite a cannon when my saying is she is a massive bet. I see maybe slightly more because I've met a couple of mystery ones where some book toolman woman in a truck drives round solving mysteries. which will it was always good and behind? The Pine Curtain is my favorite Tiso of Jerry Hills. It makes me off Off Every time I think that is actually a great book but I'm just behind. The Pine Kuttan is a very strange. I don't know what it means. It's just like it's about a woman is as yet would make a great Christmas Vitamins because it follows the whole thing of the woman came back into town and sacrificing big city job and then falling in love with an x that. She's to know what will someday she's Madman said that that is the story of maced Houma. Oh Christmas films. Say Jerry should've made this behind the Christmas tree rather than behind the pine cutting but my favorite one of his is A chasing boy to play at is a brilliant brilliant book. And it's about this woman he guys hey for her brother's wedding and she meets his bride's SISTER DISTAL and at wedding and they don't hit. She hit her as she sees ran the ball and they did hit straightway but then they do And it sat in a in a ski resort somewhere in the American mountains. Let's say Colorado identify it's just it's beautifully written and Yeah I I just waiting waiting update. It's very strange. Cover with Mason ascend behalf. But Lena look there. It's a good story the other one I really like is Georgia Biz fresh tracks which is like m. an ensemble piece it's up to couples and T- couples that are Aka of one of them this on the rocks and then teachings and and they will go to a cabin in the woods for that in between Christmas and New Year where everyone's eating too much cheese and no one quite knows who they are. What is that bit? They will go to a cabin in the woods and then as much hilarity and angst and by mounts and sex sexism must yeah. Yeah there's there's one saying where one of them who single and the other one who's single they oziel sharing a room. We teasing beds and one of them has a sex dream and she wakes up and the other one's looking at her like wants to do the Saxon cheese realizing that she's having extreme from the noises and she says they want is having this xtreme turns Iran and she says. Can you finish meal and she does a little bit. You say wants to make take your online so yes Diana I love that in that book and this is really pretty good book and the Oakland I really like is the retreat by Jane Rep Zag and that is about a woman. He has been having an fat with the best friend. He's married to a man. She having a family of eight years and the fat comes out on Christmas Eve and and the to the woman. Who's been having Ed married woman? She's best friends with married women but was a web best friends and works with husband and says about the fallout from the affair. And and then we'll joined to work out what to do and there's a lot of angst and a lot of soul-searching but it's it's a bit different from the normal less fake romance it will be not strictly away. I would even join it and the whole thing. That being around Christmas and heightened donations and the last thing is Kinda funny so they'll examples I gave we're like more ROM coms and you're like really soft on this one is tree. Say Yeah my books and now she gave gave me these now just before we get into movies. Just new. Say something about the Hmong Channel controversy at an. If you've been following this week actually I was going to ask ask you about that. I wanted to know 'cause you you look forward to the hallmark Christmas movie season from like as soon as an end. Though how do you feel about it should we should. Should we let people. Can you let people know what about in case they haven't been on social media. Yep site whom up is a channel that name does cheesy cheesy Raymond's May these. I think probably Christmas wraps up his it ramps up his game and the it's produced like one hundred new ones or something might be just plucking from there but anyway it has said prior to the controversy that he wants to do more in include more people than just middle falls straight white people in his as may be in which he hasn't done generally up to now. It wants to get a more diverse and cleared UBT Keith. Ninty as well as just just anybody who's not want and I I applaud it saying this however the the reality and the actions match and one million the the they basically had an advert that showed a lesbian wedding ceremony from a company whose Zola. I think that they're they're dating eighteen. Yep One million MOMS complained about it and they took the advert down and said that they were family channel and it doesn't align with that values say that's what's really disappointing. Offset everything they said but they did come. There was a huge uproar on social media and then following that they have come out with a very clear statement saying saying that they all going to work with the community and try made US investment. Really GonNa try and push through an it was an. They actually said they made a mistake. Now now it's really disappointing that it happened in the first place however that they came out and rectified say quickly We'll see Jerry's still out but that they came out and wreck twenty sake lately Is a good sign I think and he got in but you go to join given benefit down however the nextwave will be very telling. I followed it closely. Clean it was. It was sad to see but I wasn't very surprised me. My biggest complaint with the hallmark movies is the fact that every single one pretty much has the high powered Lord woman give up in Lake. Mary like a guy who has a Christmas tree farm in they can struggle the rest of their life. Well I have to say this year there have been a lot more smarter Houma Christmas movies. I agree that In previous years have all been about a woman giving up her dreams on her job to come back and do a Christmas song with some blogging objection but This time round so there is more diversity in the gaumont movies in terms of everybody in the costing is white anymore but it is still go he might go. I will admit that I mean let's face it. Probably Ninety percent believes are still white but the plots of the movies is starting to get more clever and the always the women giving coming up in dreams so I have watched quite a few this year. THY Gwen -joyed but I was gained boy cooked a hallmark. I'm still backed keen on watching team anymore But the good thing is that there's lots of other options apparently the you got lifetime in the. US We don't have that But we do. have things like Netflix Amazon. Though I have Amazon prime but I have Netflix and Netflix. As really good maybe cooled. Let it snow and it's a it's a young adult young adult those of coming up just just going to finish high school and it's quite often these movies all brealey fantastic and I loved love Simon. That was a really good why I me not Christmas one but a great quit. Why I'm eating and this one has got clear representation as this? This one full as about five type. Different couples three Christmas and everybody has a happy ending including two girls to eighteen year. Old Women say and there's less lady lady kissing onscreen TV. Say they're going to kill the Westbank. Neither did not then happy now. Everybody has the playbook. There's a mixed race couple. There's a lesbian couple. I mean it's like net flicks exists in two thousand nine hundred nineteen isn't it and not back in nineteen seventeen like and I'm sure that other great movies on Netflix. I have watched him many of them. I try to watch a night before Christmas. I didn't think that was very good lung. But let us know. I know but my favorite Christmas movies. All the holiday as we sat with Cameron Diaz. Kate winslet is it. You can't go wrong with that. Kenya and Jude Law. He you know as mango is pretty. Don't you isn't it. So those those three plus Jack Black and a brilliant brilliant plot great dialogue lovely Sunny America and Krispy snow. UK was not looked better. I always I love the Christmas Carol because basically put him up in anything. And I'm GONNA love it. I just loved the muppets Alf. You can't get back Christmas. Maybe the now it will give you all all the fields all the Christmas chair. It's just so cleverly done it's brilliant. I don't think John Favorites ever going to do anything. Best as he should just hang up his directing acting now I think he he kind of did in the. He's east of different things don't ever. He's quite interesting character go. He directed But Will Farrell. I'd like even anything else but in L.. He's just brilliant and my final Christmas pick is of course carol because he can't have Christmas without watching Carol. Oh that wishing Cate Blanchett and Rooney Mara look at each other dreamily over the restaurant table in the nineteen fifties with that will should we will we. That's a better come online Olympic. I'll remember that next time. All right. So you Lewis did Elf. which is my all time favorite Christmas movie? I've already chilly three times and I want year round. I Love L. I can't get enough evolve off in every time I like almost no the movie I can dislike. Say the lines as I go but I love that movie it hit every single. Feel you want for Christmas moving and I have to. I agree. It is the high point of his career. I don't know what you can do after that. All right so my it's funny because I'm you chose the muppet Christmas. Carol and my favorite edition of the Christmas Carol is Mickey Mouse. The Mickey's Christmas Carol. The other watch last year that I really load in. I think it encapsulated what it's like to be a writer like perfectly in. It had like a whole Christmas. Feel to it was The man can't who invented Christmas. Did you see that film. I think I recommended white already watched it. You're probably surprised that already watched like a holiday film before before I even told me about it I recommend Tinos yet. I can't remember last year. Yes no I watched it last year. Nothing in Britain. Yes for people who haven't watched it's about Charles Dickens while he is penning the Christmas Carol which let's be on a sunny everyone in the world at least knows the Christmas Carol so but what I loved about this film was I mean. Do you remember the scene. Where are you talking about like all the stuff he has to do? Especially since I've been freaking out about losing stuff I have to do to get lizzy to publication. But like like he's talking about like so I need the right story needs to be illustrated needs to be printed. It all has to be done in six weeks. I could do that. And it's like the mania of author because I think every one US at some point as listed like his written down the to do list of everything and to do and be like yeah. That's totally doable. Totally deals mainly to undo the moment yet three weeks didn't second-row totally doable. Totally do the man. Before Christmas. With the man who invented Christmas I thought it was a brilliant and at needy and it was that scene. I think it was a different scene. is where always characterize which is sitting milking him while he was writing us. I mean it shows like every it like really depicts what is linked to be a writer like it shows like the mania stages where you think you're fucking brilliant and this is going well in initials like the despair stages were like. Oh Oh my God this is GonNa fucking suck that my career is over and it shows like how delusional we as authors actually are in in in the fact that they were able to base it around the Christmas Carol which became such a smash hit in Lake Wood to do three hundred years later. It's still like things where people are still ripping off where their stories in All these different like the muppets Mickey and everything. Like that. And it's amazing story. I do have to say though as a historian. They didn't get all the details right. That's okay that's okay. I think I'm going to try and watch again this year because I really did enjoy it last year and that was a recommendation from my sister. So well done well. I think. That's Oh we booked time full on December. The twenty is Christmas Eve tomorrow. It is inch. We mentioned this last episode that is going to be uploaded did in the calendar year of Twenty nineteen. They will not be episode on. What is it similar thirtieth? 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The QB Factory #11: Deep Dive Wentz Film Review + 'Sup w/Burrow?

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The QB Factory #11: Deep Dive Wentz Film Review + 'Sup w/Burrow?

"Sports betting dime dot. COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports. Check it out at sports betting dime. Dot Com. You are inside the QB factory episode eleven brought to you by the pocket SP nation and leading nation. I am your host Michael Kissed Follow me on twitter at Michael, kissed NFL Bets St and as always here to break down some Carson wentz performance reviews we're going to look at the upcoming enemy opponent for the Eagles as we do every week and to do that with me as quarterback one in our hearts and our at our minds he is Mark Scofield follow him on twitter at Mark Scofield. Mark. How you doing brother Oh dear God. Do we have to do this show this one? Really We're GONNA take origin shotgun. Blast to the Dome on this one I mean look we will start with a historical reference just so we can stave off what we have to discuss today in push that off as long as we can't humanly possible as everybody who listens to the knows of a video game kid. And I've actually might I've dusted off assassin's creed unity. French, revolution. And as as typically happens, that's causing to start reading some stuff and so I dusted off a book titled Work In. Revolution. In France the language of labor from the old received to eighteen, forty eight, and if it sounds boring as because, it's completely boring buzzer the really exciting stuff I was assigned to read this in college and I was like duck flipping through it and I got maybe halfway through it at Ford over reason as a man of now forty three years of age it is still on a bookshelf I have probably moved this book like six or seven times in my life, and it is still here to this day but appraises to this quote from Dini Deok did he Did He. butchered. that. But that's okay. Nailed it. And he's a French philosopher and he was one of the first French philosophers to really sort of Shrestha what we will call the mechanical arts. Now did your sensors countryman's disdain for artisans and presents the trades as the very foundation of civilization without which the Sublime Art of poetry philosophy government in war would be impossible quick aside were folded war into the Sublime Arts of poetry philosophy and government Sir interesting call, but will. It's a choice yet he portrays the very artisans that are to be admired as human autumn. taunts incessantly repeated a prescribed set of mechanical operations. The OTTESEN is admirable not because he's intelligent because he is useful and although the crafty pursues may be subtle and complex the. Understanding of it is merely habitual for detour. The wisdom of mechanical art is embodied in its rules not in the persons of its practitioners and it was this phrase Mike incessantly repeating a prescribed set of mechanical operations. That popped into my head as I was watching Carson. wentz destroy any hope of completing passes with a messed up left foot on throw after throw after throw yeah. We're going to get into the mechanics of Carson Wentz what right we're going to do with this a little bit differently today normally would take like an overview a today we're actually we're both just going to sit down and we're going to watch a Few place from Carson Wentz we're going to talk about the mechanics. We're GONNA talk about the decision making as well which I think has been a problem for whence but mark i. then the Big News of the day is obviously the official NFL research twitter account going rogue and firing shots both at Carson Wentz and at Doug Peterson over the term layups and I'd read you the roast, but it has since been deleted. Basically. The account took doug to task over the phrase and posted a bunch of a went stats on easy throws quote unquote. Then they turned it sites on Doug and hit him with both barrels regarding his rushers. Like. You didn't. Have to do doug like that guys. I read it's wanted to push back on the idea carson wentz missing some easy throws and I think anybody that's listened into this shell anybody that's recording this episode as Mike and I would tell you but yeah, Carson Wentz is missing what we would term some easy throws they in that threat, walk you through the completion percentage above expectation and all that stuff. But so that at the edge, slightly double barrel and Peters had just be like I mean I'm thinking like if I were to ever write an article on a quarterback at somebody like dredged up my woeful completion percentage as the worst quarterback in all of. Football in the late nineties I mean I'm not kidding kids like ness CAC football is the worst conference in all of college football period full stop and when you are a backup quarterback at a sub five hundred s CAC school like you are the worst quarterback in off call triple like I I wear that mental manziel proud. But if like suddenly I wrote a piece I rooted. Ryan? Tannehill or something of the titans main account was like and this is coming from a guy that completed thirty three percent of his passes at Wesleyan University abby bad I'd have to go into hide it. That's that's bad. That's gross. So neither of US ever thrown an NFL throw as Doug Peterson has pointed out in his presser talking with Jim mccaskey, which was a fun exchange. So disregard everything that we're about to say I just WanNa say whoever gave the green light on that tweet thread like man you're not mad at Doug you're either mad at another department or yourself and you need to let that go that was DRAMATIC THE WORLD Twenty twenty, it's been rough on everybody. Get it. You could stopped after the first four or five weeks. You didn't have to go do the man like that. What he's GonNa say next I've. What was left in the draft like all. My twitter account has some draft tweets that eighty two just erased from existence because there they should go there what was left on the cutting room floor. So make sure you follow at NFL research ever more scorching hot burner takes like that. All right mark. Let's get into the Carson Wentz. Week, to performance review against the Los. Angeles Rams and like I said, what we're GONNA do is we're going to. Sit Down and watch some film and I'm going to get your thoughts on some of these. I'm GONNA give my thoughts see if you agree and I want to talk about a few decisions here that I found questionable. So if you could, let's turn our gang pass page two second quarter there's one thirty, four on the clock it is first and ten on the Philadelphia thirty three now for the rams it. Looks like they're in some sort of zone shell here they're taking away the deep stuff as they did for a lot of this game and went starts out looking to his left for the high low read with the Sean Jackson and Dallas Goddard and said I've got a holding that for a half beat he suddenly darts his eyes back to the middle of the field and really like blindly rips this. Thing Zach Ertz over the middle. There are two guys underneath this thing. This one was baffling to me because there is a guy open and and he just throws it right in the traffic I thought it was a really poor decision import throw exist this one's a head scratcher you know tr- try to figure out exactly what coverage they're end I think we can just say look it's a cover to. Family Coverage. Now, middle of the field opened, you've got to high safeties. It looks like they might be potentially in cover for the here because the corner runs outside Vertical Ralph but you've got a card covered to look to the left side of the formation here. So it might be something like cover sex. Yeah. Because you know one tight end releases the flat gotta releases a flat and that corner stays. Down on it, then you've got the corner route from Sean Jackson that's going to be working against an inside leveraged half field safety that routes can be open. Yeah. I think whence his see in the middle of the field open rate if they could. He can squeeze this post route in the problem is like you point L. might you've got shoe basically underneath defenders under it? You've got the two safeties over. The top of it and they're not going anywhere they're not going anywhere. So by the time, the ball arrives, there are four defenders around Akers like this is just a risky throw. Particularly when you circle back to how we started this conversation, you've got to cover to beater. You got smashed to the left side here like that's designed to high low the cornerback the cornerback bites down I mean Steve Spagnuola. A couple years ago did a great sort of NFL game pass video on coverage rolls and things like that, and he talked about when you're sort of covered to a cornerback there's that no cover area. You're not going to cover it even five yards or less walt. The corner here bites down of the the flat. That creates a huge window to throw that corner out and he's tries to squeeze this in. We've talked before about once plane hero ball. This is a hero ball throw. So he misses both reads that smash read on the on the left side and let let's let's go to the second throw here because I I think that one's pretty self explanatory. We all saw it live or like what the heck is that let's go to third quarter eight, fourteen it's first and ten on the rams twenty one this is the interception with the Jaffa whiteside. In the playbook here, they have it as I believe slinky. West Right F ninety six naked left why cross so there's a couple things to notice I. They bring their tight ends from from from right to left in their the rams do a great job of having this up staying disciplined. There is nothing open on this play like urges bracketed in like in. The playbook. The progression is Number One Dallas Qatar from an inline tight end alignment working shallow one across he's covered number two is Zach. Ertz. Working the same way on an over route. So you're creating a two level read there. He's not open. He's bracket at number three is run in the playbook is actually what it says. So by a said there is Nothing on one into in the backside backer doesn't crash down the line and run support. So there's nowhere to run. So he's got to kind of pull it up, which is fine to routes aren't necessarily part of the progression, but you can go to them. There's regular on the left he slips on his route. So he's not viable right and the post from. Jj Arteaga whiteside on the right with this I, three options burned. This is where the mistake happens, and here's the thing I. really don't mind the process from whence here I know Benjamin, Solo. Act took issue with it in his excellent video review on of this on twitter. But this boundary safety I don't think he makes this play the problem is the throw so. Jaw has to keep his route high. What in what do we mean by that? That means he's not going to flatten towards the middle of the field. He's going to take post upfield and away from that boundary safety that I mentioned whence yams this thing in there with everything he's got but he's behind on the throw you watch Jj, the whiteside and you'll. See. When the balls in the air he has to start to put the brakes on as the ball comes in this allows the trailing cornerback to recover and undercut for the interception I really do think that if this is more towards the middle of the field, a little bit deeper into the end zone that this is six so I agree with Ben the. Throw is ultimately the issue. It's a hard one to make right there on the edge of the red zone. But if you're going to take this chance with a tiny window, you have to execute the throw whence didn't up mark where do you stand on this one as far as like which boxes at checks is bad decision and bath row were just bathrobe. Or what do you think I'm the bad throw camp. You mentioned Ben bet did a fantastic video fran duffy did a fantastic a video of it dental Aussie talked about some of the issues the BBC on this play and others when he was on NFL whatever show that his audience piano Monday, like you said, he tries to get this done in there. Right? The problem is in trying to jam this in their she prevents himself from a position that coal because when you watch this and I did a video of it. Soon, I wrote a piece of USA Today about what is wrong with Carson Wentz when you watch this play Pay. Particular attention to his left leg. He's not only does he overstride he locks up that left front leg in doing so because he's trying to generate so much mulching incident. The problem is what happens to once when he finishes this throw, where does he finish it? He finishes it fallen backwards. Yeah. Fallen away from it, and this happened a few times you WANNA finish throws going forward finishing through the front foot with all your momentum behind the ball going forward here because he walks up that front leg, it serves as a break in two ways in the more. Common. Nomenclature over with a break is because it stops him from going forward and he actually jerks backward away from it. That's issue number. One number two is causes what we call a break in the throwing chain from the upper body and the lower body and I'm holding up for those watching New Shadow Lake, Steve Accidents Coaching quarterback passing mechanics. This video I did I quoted in the piece I wrote when you lock up that front leg, it breaks the upper body from a lower body in the throwing motion doesn't allow you to get through the rotation and what ultimately does is, as he writes, it causes a situation which the football is pulled down low thereby causing a substantial loss of Torque and power. The throw dies like you said, Jj has of slow up so in trying to drill this. Throw in there once actually defeats himself. It's a self defeating prophecy. Yeah. Because he causes his body to lock up that front leg to lock up the throne chain breaks he loses powering toward the throw dies shea jaw has this sort of slow up to wait for it and allows the corner to come underneath it. So that's the issue here and we're going to return to this front leg a couple of Times I. think that's mechanical issue that I sort of. Historical reference. There's a mechanical problem right now that is holding him back. You can book at some decisions. There's a very curious decision I know where to get to a little bit later but this one, the decision is fine. The two overall from the tight end both of them are basically doubled once truly doubled a deeper one the shallow one you've got that underneath linebacker. that. Whole defender WHO's basically covering that to as he's waiting for wants to make decision Reagan falls down if you're going to throw the ball this throw now maybe what the situation is I in ten, you can throw it away like there's also that option available to you. This is a one score game. You got a touchdown here who knows what we're having the conversation. About right now run instead he tries to drill this works against himself and doing. So and now will wondered about Carson was a and a way to our just visually kind of like worthy out my head how the listener at home kind of experience this lock straighten your leg, put it out in front of you and lean against it and see what happens you rock Back and that's happened to literally I. Kid you not listeners whenever I start writing about quarterback mechanics I acted out like last night when I was writing about once because there's a front foot issue, which is won't mention there are some times throws where he keeps that outside edge of his left foot cannot it's like parallel to his target and he rolls his ankle, right? Yeah. So try this I. I was doing this last night. I was in my office of trying to throw a football, put my foot that way, and you can literally feel it's almost like an outlook I'm old on forty three. So this might have just been happening naturally, but I felt like I was going to dislocate my left hip and doing so right and you WanNa talk about break in the throwing chain like I felt like a mess and then of course I was right in the moment when my wife. Came downstairs to see what I was doing. My marriage is fine but she was born in the world is going on here but it's the same thing stand up wherever you are your office, your Home Office whatever and try to work through throwing a football with your front leg completely locked. You'll feel that break between your upper body, your lower body, you'll feel your body like us Mike My said jerk back. That's what it's like. That's what it does to you. Now imagine doing it at a of Carson Wentz his. Size. On a football field. Trying to throw a football with violet tour, you could imagine what will happen. So let's go to fourth quarter twelve, twenty four to go second eight, the Rams fifteen this one was hot on twitter. This is your obligatory spot concept and the red zone for the eagles and I took a little flack for people on this one saying that once was right to come off of Dallas Goddard on this one I. do think there's more to criticize here than initially thought but I mark. Watching this playthrough goddard is gonNA fly up that right side when winces is Goto Him Jalen Ramsey is in a in a slight backpedal. He's got his hips open to God and there's also a safety scraping way. Let's start here is whence right says to come off this read at first or should he have held it for a half second more was probably that allows him to see that window opening up and then make the throat because when the throw is open to me or is opening up he's not there. On it anymore, we all know the Finns happen faster in the red zone. You know this is like you said, it's spot his work not spot route that gets up with some traffic as a result he doesn't feel comfortable coming to it. You know because there's traffic created I would have liked him to give this one more Haffey I could see why he came off at what he did the right because if you look at it, you're not exactly sure what ranch is going to do. It looks like they're. In a red zone covers three here. So you're thinking that maybe he bites down, but you're also worried that he's going to stay deep. Right. You also look at the next that hoped defender. He's pretty deep at the time went staring at the traffic that's created a goner potentially releasing up the seem that inside hope defender he's like the four almost three yard line on and so when garnered starts to clear this? Yes he starts driving down by then once his moved on yet. So once moves on quickly but I. Can understand why he moved quickly, right okay. Now he's probably thinking you know you've got backside. You've got basically a sit a scene Yup maybe he's thinking could square that little seam route in there. But again, you can have not throwing as soon as he sees that middle of the field safety though he should he should know it's not there right like in which we're what happens next right he looks to his left like you mentioned he sees us not there and then he looks back to his right to. Where the initial read was, and he's got like Erz waving his arms say and right here, brother nothing but space around me. But once as he's moving to his right, then brings his is back to the left for what reason I don't know, and that's where I take issue with the play. His eyes are everywhere on this and he just settles for a half a tick if he does that he probably hits Erz this easy conversion do agree or disagree on that no, that's that's where we are completely interesting care. It's it's that second look back to the left because once he comes to the left, he sees okay you can't throw that little. Route the end zone if he comes back, right there's nobody within like five yards, verts. That's when you just you just take us like for some reason, the part walked through the now open seat, but he hasn't. Been looks back to the left which I don't understand. How is that situation improved? You know there's no way that route is suddenly open and you know that other under that under on the left that's not an option you just at this point, he has to take it I. Don't know why he doesn't, and then of course, he sort of tries to Korean backpedals. Analysis. Force to throw it away. So as far as this goes away, sort of graded out, I understand why he came off the concept initially no given a relationship if everybody given how it was played out, given the sort of message traffic that was created on the little rub idea off the spot understood why he looked laughed I can get some may disagree and that's fine. But it really sort of breaks down for me after he looks at the left side of the field doesn't see anything at this point you've got to stay on that concept. Let's stay on it. Make decision on it. You have an option available to you why in the world do let's say. I'M GONNA. Just pick one more time. Of Gut, better late never it's like you know when you assume you can drive through downtown for dance. Without a trophy system. All your truck. What I think things have gotten better now I know there's also a recon flares going off I could see on the heartbeat sensor that their bodies everywhere. But I'm going to give it a shot anyway because I think it's going to be better by the time I I look back over here and we all know that predictably it's with an RPG or C. Four is something to that effect. Maybe that happened to us the other night more zone of who may mark. So I'm enjoying this let's go one more before. We go to break your fourth quarter eight, forty, three seconds ten on the Ramos Forty four it's thirty one to nineteen rams. The Eagles have a chance to get back in this thing and this one simple right after whence air meals one over the middle two miles sanders here in Dallas Gutter beating Jalen. Ramsey. In man coverage to his left by the way Holy Crap Dallas. Doesn't he looked like an athlete play play through the Calf injury entire last year he looks more at he was already an athlete. He looks more athletic this year fully healthy and he's got the thumb thing or the finger whatever. But like holy crap this is a great job by him got her gets the stack on Ramsey running that nine route and Wentz decides that instead of throwing it out in front, he throws it back shoulder. Got It puts a hand back but that's an insanely difficult catch to make your moving away from it. Am I wrong to think this was poor process from once in terms of placement I mean that's exactly right Ed by the way this is one of those moments where I had to triple check both our lads. Eagles website the ravs website if I see in this, right, the Dallas Garter just burned jalen Ramsey on nine route from a three by one. Why so alignment? Yes. As a matter of fact. Because at first blush look. Why are we throwing US right? This is Jalen Ramsey. You're trying to test with your tight ad and then the more I wash is fly wild by how Jalen Ramsey gets beat nearby. Dallas this is just tremendous route reward your boy. tied add. Be Jalen Ramsey man coverage throw the ball out there for them. Yup. I put it in a place where he could get it by to try to turn this. Why are you turning this into a youth robak back shoulder throws when the coverage is good right? Not when the coverage is bad the coverage is good. You throw back shoulder because it will create separation that isn't there when the separation is there you put the ball downfield. If he had overthrown this by two yards, I'd be like, okay fine like sometimes you miss on throws downfield you'd love to have it. You'd love to reward Dallas God when he does this but okay like it happens. To try to turn this into a back shoulder throw why? You're making it. So the Ramsey can attention to make a play on the ball like I. Don't understand the decision to put this throw where he did I watch US mechanics on this when he throws this from the end zone angled because he's got like a little like are you? Okay with this because he felt he flips hips in the air. What is this? What is? I'm going to do something that in the world of doing this show. I don't think I would ever have thought. This is trubisky. Ask all know this should. Yes. It is look at where his feet are woody. This goals amassed his feet are parallel. To where he's throwing up and there's no, there's no reason to attempt this Tim, Tibo Mitchell trubisky John Pass like his clean pockets clean a step into this. Give you guy at sheds. What are we to win? Yeah I think he might be rushing their like what time is it? It's eleven to drink. It's eleven thirty I need a second drink. Yeah. Okay. I'll get Darla. We'll get there. We'll get their feet up Mike. You're we we can. We can do that I. Mean I think he's rushing this in a wow. Does it turn out to be a mess? Seriously I'm looking at the ball is just out of his hands he's like he's like in the air on his tippy toes Karleena. Looks like when this when he lands with his feet, it looks like he's going to run at a forty five degree angle away from the LINEUPS silent. Yeah. Yeah. This is Houston. We have a problem kids mark. All right. So we we we dug through those four plays. We took a bit to do it but I really really enjoyed this this discussion. Last thing before we go to break and get onto some job era, I mean. The one thing I will say, I put this in the USA Today piece when Benzel at Van. Put up a video on his foot work quincy every quarterback coach quarterback Tudor said that these that he's having are there but they are fixable they are fixable was determined dedicated practice. So these are fixable issues. The problem is, can you fix mechanical issues in the midst of a season? That's the concern here. Do they have the time to fix mechanical issues when you have to get ready to play the bengals when you have to get ready to play the games you go onto so it's fixable but can it happen right now? That's the cancer. So that's the positive side thing with Wentz I Alsi us do is progress to the to the average mean and I guess we're working with something better than what? We've been working with the past two weeks everybody just panicking because it has been the the first two weeks of look I get it like I'm I'm on not exactly to confident either that he gets this fixed right away but either way it is fixable. We'll see if he can get right against the Cincinnati bengals and that's GonNa be our topic of discussion next his dual joe borough that's coming up next here on the QB factory. 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Kiss. qb One in our hearts in our minds Mark Scofield mark I'm going to be honest with you every week we preview the upcoming enemy opponent and I usually cram some film on that player to prep for this. So I say the only thing I've seen from Cincinnati bengals rookie quarterback Joe Borough is alive. You of the Thursday night football game against the browns may be like one drive on on game pass from that game before we started recording. But like I'm impressed, I don't. Have a whole lot of high expectations for the guy like year one just Kinda WanNa. See what will work in with what needs to improve what's already there I've been impressed with the guy so far and and I'm going to be watching film later today to prep for the kissing select preview show and when I do that, what am I looking for for borough? What can I expect from the Guy I? Mean I think there are two things to keep in mind as we prepare for Sunday one is the empty formations probably shouldn't be a surprise. Look you look back at Lsu. I think like a percent of their players were five-man protections in job Brady's office. So He's used to throw a five-man protections making a rating getting the ball quickly, and if has to sort of react to pressure in the pocket because protection breaks down, there's applets or something. So they are going to go five why they are going to give him a simple decision to make is it manner? Is it? So that's it. You know you don't have a I don't care if it's cover one, cover three, six, quarter quarter half man match match just tell me. If it's manner zone. If it's man you throw in the concept of your left if its own, you're right or vice versa, that's what they're asking the do right now. So he's hand on empty formations, but they're empty formations that are designed to give him quick designed region throws and he's actually cute in that part of the game pretty well, he's handling the pocket really well, and we should have expected that because that was one of his best things coming out of L. She was is pocket management is pocket poises awareness, his toughest and all that stuff. The Deep Ball izzy question mark I think he's like one of twelve on throws twenty yards downfield right now you look it up a pro football focus. The numbers are pretty bad now. He did hit on one I first NFL touch style which was impressive, and when impress the about that throw was. It was just to plays removed he had to plays in that game early Thursday night where he saw a cover six, look the first one hard corner to his left. The vertical route on the sideline is open, but he throws the angle route to his running back. On finding time line I forget when I did it whatever nothing matters heated RV's. He hasn't throw the You'd love to see him for the vertical rob there but he doesn't he throws the angle route to mix which I you know look Joe Mixon on a linebacker. Okay. But two plays later, he gets the same Jack Coverage Look at run this vertical switch verticals concept out of thirteen personnel, very creative play action fake but he has that whole shot in this time he throws it for a touchdown and that's impressive because it's not a situation where on week want he missed it they talked about them film and then he came back the next week in the right re this was like two plays later. He's learning to fly. So that's impressive but the deep ball is a work in progress, but it's really those empty formation Stephen Ruis. He has a piece of it as each week. Now over at four, the wind called the UP. Now he just cuts up stuff and he did a cup of borough thrown out of empty. It was twelve minutes long. It was twelve minutes and this is of the game pass all twenty two where it's it's not like you'd have to like cut the broadcast film and there's a big built up. No it's twelve minutes of him thrown out of empty formations. It's incredible. So that's what you're going to see from the bengals. Radically you're GONNA see a lot of empty and you mentioned the deep ball. Looking at the stats, he has one for twelve adjusted completion percentage of eight point three that second worse than league among ingrained starters worst as Jimmy Garoppolo. Garoppolo. He's zero for five drew lock is one for eight Mitchell trubisky is to eleven patrick. Mahomes is one for five like there's a mix of quarterbacks in there. So I don't necessarily freak out about it. It's it's early it's noisy. Can we you mentioned mahomes? Do you know who is in the bottom three of average depth of target intended air yards right now in the national football league man could not all the when you say all I can think of, Carson Wentz, going from twelve yards intended air yards to six point one from one week to the next who who is in the Bama homes is in the bottom three. Really that's interesting. Point. One right now because I'm getting ready, I'm looking at Derek Carr who actually above mahomes in an intended air yards over next gen stats and I could not believe that. I'm like, okay look twenty twenty against thrown some curveballs. But I don't WanNa live in a world where Derek cars average intended air yards are higher than Patrick Mahomes? Ib, tyrod Taylor Justin. Herbert have higher intended areas. If I'm going off a alphabetically there, which I mean who would think it's just I think it's teddy and breeze were the only two quarterbacks below moms right now with borough when you watched his deep ball in college, what were your thoughts overall and how do you think this? This shakes out for him as is this something that? You know is a problem that you see may have popped up because of the talent at wide receiver at Lsu is just bonkers yeah and you know the the scheme and everything like that word you see him kind of ending up with this. What does he need to fix? How can you fix it? I? Mean I think this sort of issue and as he does so well, that's kind of crystallized it at one way on twitter at all twenty two where he was like his arms isn't good enough like I think there is a certain. Top. End Area of the field were boroughs. Arm is elite. You know when you're talking about going Downfield but I liken it more to Shawn Watson discussion because yeah is borrow somebody somebody's GonNa dial up the Josh. Allen. RPM ON THROWS No. But when he has to hit on throws Downfield, he has to do more touch and put more loft on it and make quicker decisions to the ball comes out because the army's there. Now he can get there like you can add philosophy as you get older and matured yet boroughs a little bit older. The most would be quarterbacks but still I think it's going to be okay Is. An. Offense Act Taylor's it's more rooted in sort of west coast concepts. Anyway. So most of the stuff is going to be asked to do is going to be underneath and so I think he's going to be all right. But yeah, I mean that that might be something to think about does he have this sort of a lawsuit to really drill it into tighter windows when you get ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty, five yards downfield or car if you had to pick a winner in this game, you take I mean I'm not. I'm taking philly. I'm taking the eagles just because I think this is your like back in a corner up against a wall Kinda game. You know I think look when would you see Doug Peterson go out Kamsky the way he did like you can only imagine without locker rooms like right up like I mean I. It's that old cornered animal situation I think they're going to start a band together in figure this one out. So the Olympic fairly Cincinnati the throat sixty plus times they can't protect zero right now I think philly can get after him and it's not like since he's defenses. Is that good down when should if? Let's put it this way if we're talking about an own three eagles team next week like forget panic button like were in full on like launch rockets like you know, give me the nuclear suitcase type of situation here like can you imagine? The hearts discussion if we're talking about an Owen three team yeah I'm going to go into hiding it. I trump going to have to you mentioned your face. You mentioned the pressure Joe Borough is in the top ten for quickest time to throw at two point, four seconds also top ten in terms of being pressured as well. So they are definitely have square those numbers, right? Exactly. They're having some issues. All right mark that is going to do it for the QB factory. Any last words for the gentle listeners before we get the heck out of your men? I mean just just. It's one of those Sir Alex Ferguson the Great Football Management Say squeaky time. squeaky bomb dime Yeah I, mean, let's hope we're GONNA w because otherwise France. 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Being Happy and Single!

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55:20 min | 8 months ago

Being Happy and Single!

"Hey guys welcome back to big moody. This week. The mood is being single. Is that good? How do you feel like saying finding happiness? And you'd be happy as a single person as your best can. I don't know I think we kind of wanted to dive into in this episode and like I feel like in my relationships when I was in my twenties I it was like are you still in your twenty s early twenty. Okay yeah like interject. Yeah like interjecting it. I feel like my old environment taught me. I had to be a relationship so in my early twenty s it was like I cannot single. I must be in a relationship. I must be in love. The concept of being single or happy wasn't even on my radar so girl. Yeah I'm in a happy relationship now but I'm wondering you know what I have done differently to enjoy being single single for me. I think the reason why I keep finding myself single and I'm thirty. Two almost thirty three and not married is because I've I haven't made the personal progress that I need to make With myself personally I think so. I think it's very important to be single and to make personal progress and get to know yourself because if you've been monogamous your entire life you never really know who you are if you've never even spent three months or six months or something without someone else's influence on your life so I think I keep getting these relationships they don't go well but then that single period is really necessary for me because I think I get into codependent relationships. Yeah so I I and I keep. I'm single again because Oh wait. That was codependent. That was in healthy. So now I have to be single again and figure out how to be happy or like figure out who I am. So that part of being single is like a necessary thing. I have a relationship with yourself and fall in love with before you can. Yeah ready for someone else for me too. I feel like that single and happy moment was when I really found my passion and a lot of people. Don't a lot of. You're really scared to be alone. Like they're scared to be with themselves I never had a problem be alone. But I really didn't have that happiness in a passion when I was alone Until I was single like from emit twenty five twenty six area of my life and that was a life changer for me especially a game changer. Relationships moving forward which was then to Steve was the next relationship in a may not forever But yeah it was fine. I started doing a lot more. Stand up again getting back into like may own craft and like having fun on my own and then you know really not worrying about getting into a relationship unless that person really enhanced by life. Yeah for me. I've been in a relationship Since I was sixteen I've only had two months of being single and I'm now thirty so I never really be on your own back to back. Yeah it literally one month between each relationship since I was sixteen so it was like Isaac's dad one month of being single and then the next guy woman the beans during those months you had your child. Yeah I never been alone too. Yeah ever Do you ever like I know you. Obviously you're not going to change it now. Regret that like. Do you feel along time. I had this sense of regret and I was guilty for feeling a sense of regret has I it ends ends up like I ended up feeling guilty because I'm like well every time I would think that I'm like well at this point in my life. I'm glad things happen. Because now I have Isaac and now I have whatever in like L. end up like being okay with Mike current life but then I can't help but thinking back in like regret not regret. You feel like you're regret makes you not grateful for the things that you have but really it's just a this. What if it's completely separate and I feel guilty and I don't? I don't give myself that that like it's okay if it's separated it doesn't have to be together. Yeah I struggled with that for many years and especially after having Isaac so young so I was eighteen when he was born and a and so like in my early twenties like when everyone sorry turning twenty one like all my friends and everyone's going out in like missing. Yeah it was really hard. Because I'm like fuck like I love my son so much. I'm so happy in my life but it is really fucking hard right now. Just being a single mom like in that time and on top of that layering on the foam. Oh I'm like now I can experience what all my peers are experiencing and it was rough so I have never really given myself until recently like this past year actually like twenty nineteen was a year of me discovering myself and having a relationship with myself while I'm in a marriage so that's why I like that you went on that trip by yourself and I know a lot of people might be like. Oh that's weird. Oh she wants out of her marriage like who would take a vacation by themselves. That's literally You never got the chance to spend time alone with. Yeah so that was really important. There's nothing wrong with that. I mean once someone wants to take a vacation on their own. I think it's fine. Yeah that part of self-discovery is necessary in order to be able to give to others to your full potential. Because you don't really know how much you have to give until you spend that time with yourself. Yeah I think the thing I'm doing now is I asked Myself Mike My Happy. Right now and I'm like I generally I am excuse me. There's still a lot of things that I'm trying to figure out like who I am and what I want to be and what I want my life to look like but I think chasing happiness is really not the point. It's like content. You gotta it's not even about that either. I think it's like you just have to do things to progress your life forward and and rely on yourself to be like. Oh I don't have a husband or something but my life still progressing. I'm still better deal moving forward in my career. I'm still like gaining skills. I'm still working on things like I like. I don't have to worry so much about. Oh is this happiness but this is still progression and that's just a part of life arm and now it's like I'm not thinking about from happy or not some days I am some days. I'm elated. I skip down the street the other day and I was like I'm happy and then the next day I drink a bunch of Tequila by myself at home and I cried but I think that's part of like meat processing all these emotions that I was previously covering up by always having someone next to me and then and then like when things are going wrong. You're like it's this person's fault you know. Kinda channel that into not saying you necessarily blame them. You genuinely believed that that is the cause. Yeah and then when there's no nothing else to cause the pain like all you can do is focus on yourself. Yeah and sometimes that hurts even more. Yeah sometimes you can really see like what was caused by you and not by the other person alone so yeah because now alternate alone sometimes and cry but I know it has nothing to do with Steve. Like my own shit because I've been alone in that position before and I know the difference between when a relationship is not doing well and it's making me and what I'm just having those emotions because of my own thing bro. I drink alone and I have a fucking blast. You never gotten drunk at home by yourself and just dove into Youtube and listened to oldness subject songs and like I have the fucking time of my life him. Yeah get on over watching and voice chat now just back. What's up? Get colds dude. If I get drunk myself at home I have the best time. Ranking gaming is so fun just talking to people and meeting people for me because I'm a child of the Internet going online in like talking to people while driving is no different than going to the club. It's all it really is. I feel like your relationship is kind of set up to where you almost have fifty fifty. Because you guys haven't moved in together so you still have a lot of days where you're kind of almost living single but then you actually still have this relationship at the end of the week like you spend weekends together and stuff like that. So how? How's does that? Feel that what you expected to be in a relationship or now and it's like I spent so much time in my early twenties. I need a relationship. I knew I needed I needed and then I got it and I got into a relationship with someone that we both Value each other's independence like I am violently independent. I've never been like codependent person at all. I'm never bored. I'm always busy. I'm always like occupy opposite. Yeah I'm always bored of very codependent. I never have a longing for people because if I want to hang out with somebody I just go out there and say yeah I think While we were talking I was really digging into myself and trying to figure out. If I wasn't in this relationship what would I be doing differently and I think the only thing I would do differently as I'd be hanging out with more of my guy friends There's certain guys that my boyfriend doesn't know or maybe we had a history together and I just don't think it's appropriate them. Yeah so I put those barriers up in the relationship but otherwise there's nothing life is already kind of like it's the same. Yeah he is he is very. He's very very busy. I'm very very busy. He's building up a future for us. I'm building up a future for us. And even sometimes we see each other. Developing skill sets that we know are going to help us and help our relationship and like we intend to grow a business together in the future and I I love that. I love that so much in now. That together yeah now that I have that thing that I thought that I needed the relationship. I kind of was able to get that out of my vision and just focus on myself while being in a relationship and it's like I had this person that would catch me if I fell and I just never really fell. I mean like I definitely like when the whole defy thing happened and I lost my job. He was he was there but the funny thing is is he wasn't doting he didn't really know what to do but he was just like if you need me. I'm here and I figured it out myself but I did still have that strong backbone that I need it. I never got scared or sad. I yeah and I if I were if he and I were to break up tomorrow emotionally. I'd be very upset because I love him very very much. He is my partner in crime when we get together. We recharge your batteries together and we just sync up. You know it's like I have my other half but when we split up we're still whole almost. Yeah that's exactly how I feel. And that's I think something that comes from you really knowing in like being alone a lot lot by yourself I think the one time I actually missed living alone like when I was with Steve Was when we both were working from home because when I first got together he was still working at maker and so he would be gone. Even though we were living together he'd be gone the majority of the day and I felt like I had the space to myself and I'm also just so super independent. I like getting on my own zone. I don't like someone being there because it kind of interrupts my flow of consciousness and I remember like when we started working both working from home after he left Working at maker we were in a two bedroom apartment that was one level and I can hear him cough like I could hear everything that was going on there and it made me feel just like crowded. And even though he didn't interrupt like he's independent to he didn't interrupt me working just him being there made me feel like I couldn't express myself to the way that I the full extent like I couldn't cry without hearing me and wanting to be like to make it better or like sometimes we'd get into little tiffs because he would come in and say good morning and you know Super Super Nice thing to say but if I'm already in a mood and I'm like in this mode I just like to deal with it without having to cater to someone's feeling right verse and it would be like We really had to learn how to communicate through that because it was like. I didn't want to snap at him for him saying Good Morning. I realize that that's a bitch thing to do so I would try to like good morning like wall holding that all of my anger that I'm feeling towards the other thing. How long have you guys been dating at the point when you started three months after? That was really months. Yay Beth and with a kid. Yeah Oh my Gosh. That's really soon We had known each other for almost four years. It was three and a half years and I also knew I was in love with the guy that I wanted to spend forever with him. But you had feelings that you wanted to move in even though you about yourself that you liked your own space or you didn't realize until after you moved in you're like oh I kind of wish. I felt like since he was gone so much of the day. It felt like that the timing really worked out. Because by the time he'd come home I was already ready. I'm like I already got my stuff done so I'm ready to like spend time with you. But when he started spending all day at home too. That's when it got really tough but now we live in a two story and hit the kind of setups kind of weird. Where his offices on the first four way in the back on a separate place where he's not even below me he's like to the side and on separate likely circles and diagonal? Yeah we're the kitchen is the only place that we would meet in the middle. Yeah And so he can't hear me. I can't hear him. We have to call each other. If we WANNA communique I also decorated the entire top level to what I would decorate if I lived alone of and it does feel very much like this is my space. That is his space. And when we're ready to spend time with each other. The living room is like a mutual. Like that's our space as a couple as a personal area and that's been working out really well just like perfectly dude. I cannot see myself living with anyone for a long time. Because of the my last relationship we were together. We were living together for four years and now that I have my own apartment like that's probably one of the best things about being single right now is the is the way that I have. My little apartment. Setup decorated decorated my own balcony. I like put this Faux Wood flooring. I love my balcony and you have your little rituals jazz apartment. I feel like it's an oasis dogs and let me know that she can literally see this. Sunset view is amazing. Yeah like and I don't have anyone else's energy in there. I don't have their shit all over the place like I always pick up my cups. I always you know like that's probably one of the best. Things is the I I do want to date someone but I don't want them in my space. And so but I but I envision a future where it's like. Oh we'll have a house together and I do look forward to that but right now I cannot imagine living with it was so funny because with my ex we were living together and and then there was a like the lease was over so then we wanted to get out of that place so I ended up getting my own place but I was like you. You can't live with me. We can still be together. I guess but you're not living with me but I ended up getting my own apartment and he would come and visit and spend the nights and stuff and like. But I'm like you. We can't live together and that's the guy that I ended up getting engaged with before we get married. You need to have your own house and I'll be on my own house It's like that's obviously it wasn't gonNA fuck. I guess we're both too stubborn to like ended or whatever but yeah I. It's a really interesting situation in that time. Even though I was technically in a relationship I got to experience kind of living alone even though I had Isaac and that was awesome so yeah I am so jealous of you. Do you know what what I like to when I'm by myself I could feel that coming now. You're going to have to eat that food on a what on a tape a table. Oh you wouldn't have missed about decorating the top floor of our condo. I actually redid the entire master bedroom and I use a bedroom article. I let bill thank you. I am absolutely in love with articles furniture. It's this mid century modern slash Scandinavian touches designed for and completely my style. The whole bedroom remodelled to be this mid-century Boho Scandi type of style. I'm in love in love with it. It's a walnut bed and it's the sturdiest piece of furniture I have ever owned in my life I just never. I never knew a bed. Could be like that and you save up to thirty percent on traditional retail prices and I moved into my place. I was getting cheap furniture because I was like. I need a coffee table. I need a chair and then it kind of started to. It was a little wobbly early for yeah and then when I upgraded to an article bed I instantly I upgraded. My quality of life was my favorite part about it. I feel I feel like an adult. I felt like an adult long older. Get rid of that bachelor furniture. You WanNA impress her. Make sure that banning all break. Yeah they're actually able to keep the prices low by cutting out the middleman and selling directly to us. So there's no showrooms no sales people no retail markups again. It you also have thirty days to make up your mind with simple returns and exchanges articles offering our listeners. Fifty dollars off their first purchase. A hundred dollars or more to claim visit article dot com slash big mood and the discount code will be automatically applied at checkout. That's article dot com slash big mood to get fifty dollars off your first purchase of one hundred dollars more. I'm doing it. I just got a house. I need to furnish it undoing. Fifty Bucks is a lot. Yeah so I remember that one month after that guy that I just talked about the world that you live somewhere else and I live somewhere else. I had my girlfriend's over all the time like every weekend. Four weekends in a row and we would throw parties and stuff. 'cause I was. They even slept over one time like immediately. After the break-up because first of all this guy would not let me go and he was like stalking my house and I got a little scary That's one reason. The other reason was close like a girls. I don't know how to be alone. Can You please? Isaacson. Abe's spending the weekend at his dad's like I don't know how to be by myself so I don't think I don't think that helped you be trying to be nice. It was also I really like begged I'm like. Please don't let me tell you girls young girls. You have to spend those nights alone to get through it or otherwise. You're just going to always be chasing having a baby in the crib screaming. Gulls let them otherwise. They're never going to sleep through the night. You know what I found helped me through that because when I first when I would tell a it was with my boyfriend at the time and we were together for three more years after that so lived with him for three years. My first three. Ucla they when we broke up. I is when I got my own apartment and the first night. I had one of my best friends from Santa Barbara. Spend the night with me because I was scared because I hadn't spent a night alone in. Yeah ever because I was living with my parents and then I was living with him and I was thankful she was there. Because there was like this crackhead that it'll be a funny story. But this meth had climbed the palm trees outside a window. Like your the devil that he tried to get to our window but like there's like the palm was far enough away from the window. He couldn't get there but house John. We were cracking up college experience at Texas State People under a league. It was fun but after that night I I was fine without someone there and what I found really helps me get comfortable. Being alone was making little details. That made it a home. And that's what I think I really got into nesting and making my environment a home and not just like some where I live so I the first thing I did was. I bought a bunch of drawer. Liners that were cute. Like vintage looking Roy lighter and it lined all the drawers that were built into this like old timey unit was from the silent film era so there was built in dressers and I didn't want to be all nasty put. Those drawer liners and they were like cute floral and then I went and bought a bunch of towels from bed bath and beyond it was like brand new and it just little things that made your parents house feel like home. You can do that. That's exactly what we're home been doing. Yeah I did not realize how important like you call it nesting. Yeah even when I was younger and I had my own room in my parents house. It didn't even feel like my room felt like a room in my parents house. I feel like that's almost a skill making a place your own home when I when I first got to La. I lived in a very small apartment and then when I moved to my one bedroom. Have this huge one bedroom and I. It's a nice size is for like a single person and I. I didn't want to decorate it because I was afraid that at any point like smash would go under and I would lose my job and I have to go back to Virginia. I didn't want to have to deal with putting furniture in storage or selling moving back. I was like I'll have to get a roommate so I never decorated. I just had a couch a TV and a gaming computer. Because I was like at any moment this life will be over and so just last month was the first time. I got a bookshelf. I decorated my vanity shoe rack. Like all of this stuff because I was like. I'm ready to make this a home and I haven't been put wall art up and stuff and this is the first time I'm like. This is my plate. Yeah you know you have to mark your independent somewhere and doing it in your home is incredibly important. Because where else you mark your independence like almost nowhere truly like I mean other than maybe like your body like if you're a person that gets a lot of tattoos but I I don't know how else you mark your own territory because otherwise you're just a piece of the world and if you are a person kind of what I'm hearing is like it seems like Nikki and I are like very very independent and why you guys have some codependent tendencies. And I think that's a personality type that you can kind of break the mold out of. Yeah but when you're codependent. It's scary to try to become independent. You're just like I can't do this a lot of times. People just fold and say this is not possible but it really is a blend Because like there were moments to where like during that time I had planned like okay this New Year's Eve it's always been my dream. I'm GONNA see the ball drop in Times Square like I said that goal up for myself and that was a twenty twelve going into two thousand thirteen and I was like no matter what I'm going. Those girlfriends they were like yeah. We'll all go. We'll make it a girl's trip. And then eventually one by one started like dropping out and then by then Casey started dating and so I was like I'm going to New York like well. The last girl just dropped out. I don't give a fuck I'm going. I'm going myself. I have to do this. I have to make this happen and he was like. Why don't you going alone like scary? So they hand up coming with me but I. I really have thyroid no matter what. I'm doing this even if I have to do it alone but I didn't end up doing it alone but yeah I I am kind of. I want to believe that. Codependency is a learned or like an environmental something. I think it's definitely usually comes from like like feelings of abandonment. Your child so definitely learned. You can break it with therapy. I 'cause because I was always independent. I never felt like I was codependent but then I got into a toxic relationship where it brought a codependent side out of me to porn didn't even recognize myself anymore. It was kind of abusive relationship and it was kind of in two at the same time. We're like it was I. I got an abusive business relationship with this manager. Guy And then I started dating someone who has the same level of narcissism that creates codependency or that independent people are attracted to and so it just weakened me to this point of like. I don't even know that girl I've I was only that girl for two years of my life. I was never that girl before. I don't know how that happened but Through therapy I broke out of it again and became myself like who have to understand like where it comes from or like why happening. It's not like static. It's not like forever. You're going to be co dependent. I think it's just a figuring out things that you love to do by yourself in just doing them Doing I'm like because I'm the only one single right now. You do tennis partner. Well Yeah I don't do that anymore but I did have a coach for a little while. I was really enjoying that but like I've been spending time reading and that's something that I haven't been able to do for so long like when I was younger. I was huge book reader. I was constantly reading. And then there is this the span of time in my pretty much most of my twenties where. I could not focus on a book. I had really high anxiety I was just there was just always something where I just. I couldn't get myself to read a fucking book like just read a book and now I've been doing that. I've been taking notes while I'm reading books. It's like I'm not anymore. I don't need this but I'm like reading these books on like economics in society and philosophy and all this stuff and I'm like Oh there's a vocabulary word I don't know I fucking right this shit out journal and I write out with the definition of it is and I'm just spending time with myself like Oh I feel like building my intellect and like if I was in my last relationship I wouldn't be doing that I would be staying in the same place. I was mentally doing the same things I was mentally on his time. And but now in the same goes for him like whatever. He's spending his time on now like he's building his intellect he's not worried. About what do I need to do to make sure she eats dinner tonight? Yeah we're able to like actually really grow ourselves. And that's something we both really needed. And when you're like reading and taking notes and everything how's that make you feel? It feels really like I'm not thinking about all the bullshit in life like I'm literally just focused on this new concept. This is a new thing that I never even thought of. I discovered this This Italian kind of like. I don't know what you call it. I guess it's sort of a concept and it's just like it's it it's called Like spreads twitter or something like that and it. It's talking about like it's in fashion but also just in life it's about Putting forth a whole bunch of effort thinking about things a lot and doing your best at it but not showing it so it's like effortless elegance and I'm like I love this idea of like spreads the Torah or whatever and I'm just like thinking about I'm like who unlike looking up shit I'm like. Oh that's like men's fashion that has to do with that but it's also like a thing in life so like you try your hardest at work. Nobody knows that you spent time extra time to turn in this project. But it just looks like you're effortlessly smart and not complaining about it not showing that you put so much effort into it but it just like Oh. I'm doing everything nicely and I'm like I love this concept what I love the most about that. It is that to me. That's a form of happiness that can never be taken away from you. Yeah that it literally cannot a relationship you feel this peak of happiness but it comes and goes depending on how that person feels about you if they're having a bad day if there's someone else that's caught their eye and then suddenly your happiness has gone. You know it's it's it's external now while reading a book is technically some form of external but that happiness is coming from within. Yeah and I think that that's a huge component of being happy. When you're single is manifesting that happiness on your own rather than with a person or understanding that it's basically all come like this thing I don't. I don't know how to fully describe this but I'm going to try to so something that I've been feeling a lot lately. Is that so maybe I had a crush for like a little while and it kind of made me really happy for a little while but then that crush went away but then what I realized was like I created that feeling of happiness and I created that fantasy and I created all these good feelings that I fell four him so even if that didn't work out or if it doesn't work out like really all of the things that you're creating in your own head so you go song lyric with She goes like yeah. So it's kind of like even if you love someone and they left. It's like all of the happiness that you were feeling that was inside of you in created by you anyway. So just because they're gone. That doesn't mean that that that happiness is not there. It wasn't even really them. It was like you create that Finney to it was a little bit tweaked so it was more like an in my marriage where there were all these little things. I've just like irks me on. Like why does he have to do this? One thing or whatever and then it kind of like a light bulb turned on in my head. That's getting yeah. I'm like wait. It doesn't have to be like for example taking out the trash. A stupid example. But let's just say that I'm like why did he take all the like? You said he was GonNa do it whatever I just got up and I did it myself. And I'm like cool. Now have to be pissed about this thing and now I'm happy so stupid like I could have been happy and like created that myself done it myself and not place all that weight on someone else. Yeah that's the tiffany moment for me that I was like this is huge and I told him he got so happy. He's he's like yes bitching at every little thing. You like stop nagging. There's so many times that we I'm not saying this every single time but a lot of times where we could controller motions but we don't you know to an extent we almost choose to and it feels like controlling is just like letting letting go letting it go or taking the situation into our own hands or you know deciding to take the high ground separating from how much you're focusing on something that's even real or yeah and then there's been so many times where. I get upset or angry over something because I'm bored and I don't have anything else. Worry about you know and and I like I. I say that was kind of I say that lightly because there are some times where something just environmentally. It's completely out of your control. But then there's also times with their situations that are out of your control but you choose to shoot the second Arrow into yourself and poison your mind with worry afterwards and. That's something that I I had something I had some. That really bothered me a few weeks ago and I walked out of my apartment and I'm thinking about it thinking about it thinking about it and I was like. Whoa both stop and I told myself. Don't shoot the second Arrow which was don't take this thing. It's almost like I remember one time. We talked about this tip. It's like these these bullets come out you and you have to stop them and decide not to take that bullet like you have to dodge it like the bullets have already been fired. It's happened and whether it's the situation in your life whether it's losing somebody a break-up unkind word something that says and then you don't have angle you. Yeah you don't have to take that bullet you just dodge it and walk away from it. It happened. It was fired it was shot. But you don't have to be affected by it and that's kind of something that let walk with me all the time and this day where I walked out of my house and I was so stressed out. I kept telling myself. Don't shoot the second Arrow. Don't take it. Don't take it. Don't let it poison your day and within five minutes I had completely forgotten. I chose not to feel that emotion and I completely forgot about it and I was like. I can't wait for some happening again. All this power now. Yeah like and and and it's like choosing not to let someone or something take your happiness. Ugar independence away from you and just moving on with your day like if you if you can't think another thing that gets to people that I think you brought up the opposite of it which is like finding an activity or something that you do just for yourself that like no one has to know that you put in that extra effort or like it's just something that you feel fulfilled by and no one else about. I think on the other on the other end of spectrum of that people are getting really depressed when they start comparing themselves to other people like because we are in such a culture that shares every little thing that we're doing It's like sometimes you can be alone in single in like you. You suddenly start to see all of the happy couples. Where like before mines me. I wrote on Instagram. So like I posted for Valentine's Day and like I posted something about like me and Casey but then at the end I said like love is such a beautiful thing to celebrate so even if you have no-one celebrate with like just celebrate self love into and then there were people like sending me messages saying like they've really hit me. I think you really needed to hear that in like and then like people preventing just saying like you know seeing all these couples like van. Valentine's Day is really hard for me. But you remind in my real. You reminded me that it's important to also just love me not meet to depend on someone else so Mike Yeah true. That's totally that's the saying. Yeah Def- W like the same concept of like It's like when you think of a color like there's an exercise where it's like Think of the colored green and then all of a sudden everything you see around you the the green things pop out more. So when you're thinking about your lack of like happiness in a relationship and you just start seeing like being couples everywhere and then you get really sad about it where you think that that thing is missing rather than that like that thing would just enhance when you're ready or that's just knock on your your time line right now. I thought it was interesting to win. some like now. I talk about my relationship with Steve and I think we have a great relationship and I am so grateful for it but it's not something that I think about all the time it's just when we're talking about relationships I'll talk about it because I've definitely been an unhealthy relationships and I've been in this one I don't think about it as like this. I never thought of it as this thing that I really needed. So it doesn't really cross my mind until someone says something like. Why do you have to talk about your relationship all the time? We're like why do you like you know when there's like a comment like that? I'm like wow. I didn't even think about that. But that person is in a place where they don't have that and so they're just seeing that glaring. Yeah we're I've had that before career wise where I've see people like just killing it. Crushing and their careers your. Sitcom so much. Yeah or they're just booking it just seems like they're booking thing after thing after thing and I just started getting mad at them like to start getting frustrated like why are they always have to be posted about their shows that they booked because I was mad that I didn't have that like I wasn't. I was trying my ass off to book shows and I was in booking and I. It was more reflection on how I felt about myself. It was like this giant mirror and yeah made me more and more unhappy until I realized that like wait then booking shows doesn't mean that I have to feel bad about my own lack of a you know and that changed everything once. I started seeing it through that prism when people would post about their successes. I was happy for them in genuinely happy for them. Not just like okay. Cool happy for you so happy for you bitch. You know. It was like a genuine like you can do it and I'll get there to win. The time is right. You know and I after that I was booking more social media can definitely be like when you're single. Yeah it it's funny too because like I'll go back and look at pictures that I posted where I was like. Oh a. We fought through that dinner and I'm like posting that dinner photo like it looks cute and I'm like that. Was it anywhere people especially girls. I think we talked about during shaky news. We're going back to their old instagram posts and like re re Catholic recapturing like. Oh we actually like. He wasn't paying attention to me. He was on his phone half the time. Like I guess I wasn't dressed good enough to catch his attention yet. So probably should've tried stitch fix these. Ads are so funny. How would you describe your style in one word? Would it be bad simple? The word simple simple simple h cade. I would love that. I don't know where to start Adventurous are you a Charlotte Charlotte? That sounds classy class. 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Three hundred and twenty seven I'm in the towering treetops portion of the game and besides the fact that they have really beautiful graphics. I really really loved this. They actually update the game every single month and they have different events so the game never gets all right. I'm talking smack because I downloaded it to I did. I did it. It's actually really fun. You do in the first couple levels you to beat up on the little slugs and I just got back on the other day. Because when they when they updated the game had a logo change caught. My Eye Bluebird free getting new characters. And the fact that you have to use them to strategically that get to the next little themes they all have their little special powers is really cool so it does not require any Internet so I play this all the time when I'm flying traveling especially on those really long flights and sometimes the plane doesn't have Internet bust out my best game and I wreck up those levels So like I said I really love it. Engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play on download. Best means free on the APP apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. And let me know a level you get on because I'm in competition with all you guys. When he said they're so. Nicky brought up a really interesting part. Point about like you know feeling like you're missing something in in a relationship. I think it's really important sometimes for people to not get consumed by that thing that they're missing like yes. You may feel like okay. I'm not in a relationship but you're not in a love relationship with a partner. There's also family relationships. There's friends career. There's do you have like a pet or something like what goal there. Yeah there's a lot of like there's so much like they're just more to be in that one thing I'll there's so much more to life than just relationships and I think sometimes we get consumed by that one chunk of the puzzle. Were missing the most that. If you just had that piece you'd be happy. Yeah and then you forget and then you get so lost in that that you forget about all of the other pieces and I think that when you're single something to remind yourself if you get caught up in the thought of like oh I'm single. I wish I was in love. What are you doing with your career? What are you doing with your friendships? Are you nourishing family? Are you setting goals for the future? How are you setting yourself up so that you're ready when that relationship does come because it could come in right now but then what if you're like okay? Great now I have the relationship now. I'll work on my career now. All work on my friendships. Now awards corner now work on my finances. No fill those voids before somebody comes into your life so that you can keep them they also say you get what you give so instead of thinking like how do I get get get get think about like what can I give like. Think of the thing you want and try to give it and also going to be honest because this is something for myself if you have nothing and you're looking for someone you will attract somebody that also has nothing will sit there and suck call each other's sug each other guys off so don't get nothing and knock can be sucked. But I I mean I mean not true because the other thing is if you if you have you know friendships and money you're not gonNA just you're you're not only not gonNA attract somebody that doesn't kind of have those things in your life but you are going to have more sight of my like piece of my would sort of looking for more consciousness to be like the. I don't need. This person has nothing of value to add to my life. But when you're just looking for the relationship you'll kind of just take whatever comes at you True and that is not fair relationships I feel like are the most intoxicating and addicting part of our lives. I guess so. That's why it's easy to get swept up in it. There's this video that I watched the other day. And everyone has their opinions on this guy but it's it was Russell brand video looking and he was talking about. Because he's he's he's such a Weirdo but I I love is my love his mind. I like the way he's always thinking. So like whether you agree with him or not is beside the point because he's always thinking and I like that but he was just talking about how When you make it it's almost like that biblical saying of Worshipping a false idol. And so I think a lot of times. We worship the person that we were with or that we wanna have or or like. Maybe there's a guy that doesn't love you back or something and we're worshiping them like a false idol in that only can bring in suffering. So you have to really ground yourself. Otherwise you're just going to perpetuate suffering so even if you do get that relationship where you do get something. You're worshipping false image of them. You think they're perfect. You think they're gonNA fill your life and make it whole it's only gonNA wind up creating suffering so you really have to ground yourself and understand what the what purpose a relationship serves. That's what I'm going through right now is like I. I always felt like I had to have someone like the man was my false idol in whatever bullshit he can put me through are just dealt with it. Because I couldn't be alone and like I just went through so much suffering unnecessarily because I couldn't give up that addiction to having a man they're just any man I think it's also something that like society perpetuates especially with quote saying all you need is love bullshit like yeah you do. You need to love your career. You need to love your mom. You love your significant other and you're like it's not just. I need a relationship in so many movies and that's the baseline of it. They don't show sally going out and getting her job. After she gets her mandate Stella get a job after she got her groove back. I like there's so much more and it's almost they've unhealthy. This is why doing this show because we're here to undo everything society your brain a good book as well. Fuck yourself no. Oh that's a good book to. Oh is this series. Rowley Gary Something. I his audiobook. Whatever it's not important in any way. Fuck yourself it's called. I think something like that. That's more Gabe. Fuck you bring the different Gary. What he's like an Irish Scott. All right you can google it by that much information not sponsored by that book so pay for that. I'm just saying you don't have to cut that our producer leaky looked like everyone our producers. Six foot four Single intake girlfriend. Bryce oh take it. He is on the market. We was just telling him before this. He was adjusting camera and he was like leaned over and then he's stood all the way up and I was like the room and he's a handyman yes. He has to be fixed and shit only painting at like we could only reach a certain height. Came along like you get. It turned into a date. Bryce air man stood up and I was like price. Is Your high in your tender by over. We're GONNA put his phone number as the top comments texture. News talks him a message on at big mood girls on instagram. If you're interested in dating Bryce will screen and review girls with forty miles. We don't have girls anywhere. Love Yourself I make sure you have that a there should be trying to get there yourself. You can't date our dad new mommy absolutely not. You can't always brings his new girlfriend to set every day and really this is mommy. We are ruining his sex. That's a single because of us. God Yeah like I think the activity is that you just do for you. Are the things that you learn like self esteem and like oh I can bring myself that love and and then when you go into a relationship you're not looking to get that from someone else. You tend to me Marcel. That kind of reminds me of when I was in high school which was the only time other than those two months in my life that I have been single and I remember during that time the happiest two months. Excuse me Ma'am I'm David Okay. No you're the first one that was like one that actually really exam week book. Get down here with me in high school. I remember everyone around me being in relationships like it was just really hard to be especially in my particular high school. Everyone was having sex already. Like sixteen in. Everyone was having sex. And I'm like damn it. I'm a virgin. Let me get rid of virginity so it could be disease yet. So then Societal pressure there was so much and I remember also when my girlfriend's they'd be in their relationships and they'd be fighting and it'd be like oh I want that you want the fighting I want. I want someone to like. Just yeah you with in like if it's going to be fighting then okay and so like I remember just really yearning for a relationship. I don't know if I could go back in time and talk to that sixteen year old. Tiff I would just tell her. Hey girl it's okay. Love Yourself Yourself. Find a guy that you kinda like so you'll be like we'll try this for six months and then his girl. I don't deep like I won. I'm like Dude I did too. I mean I get it if my is my first boyfriend. I mean Oh my God incredibly abusive I told you about the clock I I wouldn't have left him. I would have never ever left him. He broke up with me. My man did me a favor but a- yeah and another thing is like there they might not always let you go. It's hard to get out of a toxic relationship to once you're in it definitely especially when you think you've wanted this for so long and you have a skewed. Perception of what love is and I also thought that like arguing and fighting and relationships is indicative of like. Oh this person cares enough about me to fight with me and yell about what's onto. Yeah and now I'm like Oh my God. No that's the complete opposite of truth a complete opposite. Like if you're yelling at me you don't actually care you're just an asshole lake straight up. Yeah did you guys like where you guys constantly in relationships in high school I had a relationship. I think like my freshman year and then. I think I didn't until your until I left into college. I didn't have my first boyfriend. Tell us fifteen and then that was like for two years which is like Berridge in high school and then I was single for the second half of my senior year and that's when that popular guy dated me and like I didn't know how to act and I was so self conscious and he ended up dumping me and telling me everything that was wrong with me. Oh I just remembered what I did. It made me break the cycle of codependency. I totally forgot about this. Okay so I've I've had periods where I'm not on relationship but I've always had a crush always never been a period of time where I didn't have a crash in if I did. It was such a small fraction. That it it just didn't register so you're mentally like monogamist. Yes mentally and I and like they would always be big crushes and I just either wouldn't pursue them or I would fuck it up and we didn't date so I had a friend about two or three years ago that he went and we weren't even that close at the time But he was going through a break up and we got close during it because I just wanted to like help. I don't know like I felt like I kind of knew that he just needed some feminine energy. So I just kind of like he lived with her. She was moving out. They had been together for like four years and so in this kind of working with him through this break up. I had a he had. We'd just somehow had the idea that neither of US would date anybody for one year. Just not date anyone for a single year. Three hundred sixty days. We could fuck whoever we wanted like go out and about but we just went in date and I went into this packed with him. It was mostly for him but I win in on it with them too and took dating off of my radar because I entered this pack and was in two or three months I was over. It was completely over. I just decided I'm twenty five. I'M NOT GONNA date for year. I'm going to have a blast and it worked and then when I finally found this guy that I wanted to be with A little my old Tennessee stayed. But I also just was like I had my horse blinders on and I was like all right if it works out works so I'm just GonNa fuck you and keep going and then we ended up dating like six months later like officially. But yeah if you if you make a pact with yourself just like I'm in my twenties I'm not gonNA date for a year. I think you can. If you're anything like me crazy you can kind of break that spell. I think yeah. I find that I think that pattern. Now that you mention it is like even even in periods where I was single for three years or something in between like I was crushing on someone or kind of pining for something and I never really just had complete mental clarity. Yeah you should. I'M SERIOUS. You should try. It is fun to just date around though but maybe I should like just say I'm not gonNA point not. Yeah well I mean if I keep fucking Guiso I'M GONNA wind up getting attached so I think maybe I should even if I don't do it for a year but maybe try like three months or six months without just see if I can reach that level of like complete mental clarity. Because it's definitely like I'll still have a crush on someone that I fucked. You know four months ago and they're still occupying a little bit of space so it's almost like I'm still not completely alone and I think that's the thing that I really WanNa get to is where there's no one occupying my brain before. I get into my next relationship. I think when you kind of use that that little method which I accidentally stumbled upon it just takes it off your radar. It doesn't make it a factor because there when you when you have that on your radar you ask yourself mentally. What are we with single guy? Hope that this is going to lead somewhere. So it's like the crutch that gets you through being single for a few months. It's like your environment comes back to you and it's like Jess. You have to be something. Just fuck buddies like fuck that. Create your own reality and decide. I'm not dating so I don't know what they are. I don't care but they're not my boyfriend not my husband and it just it creates. I almost completely forgot about that but I think it honestly changed my life. They'll try to give it a shot and then just we'll have to report back to us in a few months when I know did it. But yeah that about wraps up episode for this week guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Make sure you rate us. 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Interview with Brian Sheffey about AncestryDNA

Ancestors Alive! Genealogy: From Paper To People

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Interview with Brian Sheffey about AncestryDNA

"Hello and welcome to episode three, Oh, eight of from paper to people I'm your hostess with the most as Caroline Lachlan and I want to open by thanking my latest patriotic supporters anonymous for a generous gift of Fifty Dollars Support Stephanie Address. My latest vine at seven fifty a month, Alison Peacock Creator of Family Scribe Dot, com and a new route at five dollars, a month Laura Daniel a new route at five dollars, a month and a new regular volunteer for the reputational genealogy project. Project and back in April, I think I missed a thank you to Addie mcdonagh a seedling at two dollars a month. If I did I Apologize Abbey but thank you now. Every bit matters so I. Thank you all very much. Things are getting more and more busy around here, so the financial support really helps to join them hit patriotic dot com slash ancestors alive to volunteer for the reparation. Genealogy project message me on my website through patriotic on instagram or through my facebook page. This episode is an interview with my cousin Brian Sheffi. We spoke on July fifteenth, and we're both pretty unhappy about ancestry. DNA's new policy of deleting all matches below eight center, Morgan's a policy that will go into effect in. Twenty twenty. He's here to explain it and they have a Chin Wag with me about we can take to preserve what we have before ancestries deadline. There are two things you need to know before we begin I. The author of the Cruise blog I quote belongs to Debbie Kennett you can and should follow it at cruise dot blog spot, dot com and cruises spelled C. R.. U. W., Y. S., and while you're at it. Follow her on twitter at Debbie. Kennett, that's two ends and two TS second freakishly enough just A. A few days after we recorded this episode, Jed match blew it again. On July nineteenth twenty twenty verizon, the owner of Jed match updated their software, which resulted in temporary breach of their informed consent policy. All the kids for a short time were rendered fully public, because a user logged in and hacked the site, which meant that those who opted out of participation in law enforcement research were opted in without their knowledge for those like me. WHO OPTED OUT? This is yet another in a string of disappointments regarding jet match having. Having uploaded my DNA again a few weeks ago. I have removed my DNA from her database this time for the last time there another DNA database devoted exclusively to DNA matching for crimes at DNA SOLVES DOT com. If you wish to participate in solving missing persons on identified victims and other Criminal Cases Upload Your Kit there and at Jed, match your opportunities to assist in criminal work are virtually unlimited. If you're concerned about your privacy breach on Jed match however brief, you may want to remain private by removing your kit from. From Jed, match altogether, this is up to you. Unfortunately, this will hamstring genealogical researchers working with adoption, fostering foundling and enslavement related challenges, maybe some time someone with greater skills and vision than I have will create a similar site that is impermeable to law enforcement access, and I hope that those who opt in will not shame those who do not opt in we all have our reasons for making our own choices and our agency to do just that so do what's right for you, but don't harsh on people who do differently. This breach in turn by the way. Enabled another, apparently, the match hacker gathered emails and use them to wreak havoc with family tree maker, a standalone program links with ancestry, and then just when I thought I was done writing opening notes for this episode. My heritage had security breach to I will hunt down links to articles about these various privacy data, safety issues and leave them in the show. Show notes Chuck over the next few days for updates to those links listened to the end of this episode for further updates from ancestry DNA on their changing policy and their revised timeline here now, my interview with Brian, Sheffi we spend the last few minutes geeking out about how he met and figuring out that we were cousins. I hope you enjoy it. Hey, everybody I am here today. With a very special guest, I've been looking forward to having on for quite some time I was on his podcast. Now he's on mine, and that's how it works in podcast land, but it's especially how it works. If your cousins so I would like to introduce my cousin Brian, Sheffi, he is a genealogist and an author at an all around awesome person. Say Hello. The folks Brian Lou. Thank you so much. Mike my Calvert cousin for having me on your podcast. It means a lot. You Bet and pace. We are we are cousins three different ways, so we know of? That's true up, so you know. It's just it keeps on ticking this genealogy work hours. So some things come up today, and you made me aware of it on Facebook, and which is one of the things that Brian is really good at by the way making me aware of things on facebook. So there's a post on the cruise log and the location is C.. R. U. W. Y. S. Switches cruise dot, block, Spot, dot, com, and I want to read you the opening of this. Blog post because it will explain the problem that we're going to discuss today, it says ancestry announced at a conference call today that there are some changes in the pipeline in terms of how our matches DNA matches are reported. There will be three main changes. One ancestry will provide a more accurate report on the number of segments shared with your matches to ancestry will report the length of the largest shared segment and. The matches will be recalibrated to remove false matches so that the reported matches are more likely to be related to a recent common ancestor once the update is implemented, only matches which share eight center. Morgan's or more will be reported as history estimates that this will remove about two thirds of the false matches. All matches that fall below the new threshold will disappear from your match list with the exception of matches you have message matches where you've added a note and matches. You have added to a group by using the system of colored dots. Any matches sharing less than eight said to Morgan's in total will no longer appear as a common ancestor, hence or in the through lines. Lines feature. If you want to save these matches, you'll need to make sure to add them to. One of your groups. Note that it is only the total. Senate Morgan shared after the application of the timber algorithm that is effected, so you could still have matches which share some individual segments that are smaller than eight to Morgan's so long as the sum total of the segments is over eight center, Morgan's onsite messaging will start to appear on the side in the next few days to alert users to the updated matching system and a new matching. White Paper will be available later this week we can expect to see the new matching system rolled out in early August okay. This is problematic. Tell everybody Brian because you really do now. The stuff better than I do. Why is this problematic? Problematic an going to start with the simplest one I a lot of people's brick wall. I mean people are going to have brick walls in their ancestry, and by that I mean in an ancestor that is just really difficult to be able to trace through the records. Thinking about people who might experience that within the last, say three to four generations of their family, talking about adoptees or people who are the product of a non paternity event foundling all of that kind of thing, so they're going to have issues in the more kind of educate closer to the the here now where a lot of are going to have problems is when you start getting into the early eighteen hundreds in the colonial period. So naturally the way that you inherited a is the older your your ancestors are. The less amount of DNA. You're going to inherit from them. If you inheriting at all because as you know. DNA, inheritance is good of a crap shoot. Indeed. You consider how many kind of three four five six times great grandparents. We have our poor little chromosomes only have some state, so many can't incorporate DNA from everyone that were descended from the with. This is really going to be problematic is for me. On the whole say, eight center Morgan's Republi looking at someone who, in ancestor who depending on how it goes, it's either going to be a second or third or possibly four times great grandparents, so we're going back further and further anti. ANCESTRY DNA is going to raise the matching criteria. which is what they're doing. It's GonNa Knock out a whole bench. Show people that you are actually connected through DNA, but your common ancestors are going back much further in time. And I? Really think of something that that ancestry needs to take to take on boards so for instance by changing this. If I want to try to find early African ancestors. We're not even necessarily early Wednesday. and African ancestor born about seventeen and thirty. A likelihood that I'm GonNa get eight cinema. Morgan's or more is not as like next to none, so that's going to rule that out. And there are a lot of black genealogists African Americans who are researching their family tree, even if it's as a hobby. With the goal of getting African ancestors. is just voided that pretty much because you have ancestry like mine, I I descend from twelve generations of African and African descended people. Thankfully I was able to prove that before any of this kind of changing, stop goes on, so that's going to affect my African ancestors. That's GONNA affect my poorly documented European ancestors, relieving to places like Kentucky, and Tennessee before they were even territory, so we're talking the really early seventeen hundreds. If can knock them out, it's going to destroy my ability to identify native. American ancestors. And also identified the white parent whether it's male or female for my enslaved ancestors who are Malaga's were free people of Color. So that's about four or five groups that ancestry with this change is going to make either incredibly difficult. To be able to prove descendancy or possible to do, I would actually have to take. My DNA test uploaded soon. A service called jet match, which is free energy. The DNA DNA work on their which kind of brings me to the question. Why am I paying ancestry almost fifty dollars a month? If the test is no longer going to work. And it's valid and of. With Jed match, there is the ongoing question I understand that it is different from what it was, but the fact is that there is the possibility to opt into law enforcement accessibility so that on Jed match that's what Seymour and the genetic detective is all about using that site as a place to secretly basically access other people's DNA kits when they upload the DNA. DNA profile of criminal left evidence behind and that law enforcement for whatever reason has not been able to find in or in any system or many reasons why that would be I guess I know that now we have to actively opt in in order to have our DNA kits considered for law enforcement, and that only recently I personally did re upload my kit. And opted out of law enforcement accessibility, but I still tell people and specifically black users don't use jed match at all. Because two times without asking without any kind of informed consent, the owners of Jed match accessed DNA kits and used them to find criminals. Now the goal is noble I'm not saying everybody who committed crimes, and who hasn't caught should be continuing to run around and live their lives and not be caught. I'm saying that there was no informed consent. I certainly personally was not asked. Is it okay if we look at your DNA? And size up this kit against everybody in here, and if somebody is related to you, utilize your information in order to be able to build relationships and and find who this person is. This person who committed a crime? That's just for me and I'm white. Which means I'm supposedly. If, you're black. I believe that Jed matches a dangerous site and the reason is that two times that happened two times. DNA was utilized accessed and utilized in a search without seeking or gaining the informed consent of the people who had placed their DNA on the platform. And a something about which I feel very strongly as a an element of social justice, I think that that is really apparent and from privacy standpoint I think it's really a parent. And I understand that somebody new owns it now and I as I said I understand that it is possible to opt in. OPT OUT AT. It is what you do at the moment that you're uploading your kit, but I still don't trust them completely and so anybody. I don't trust anybody if they cross me once, forget it. And so the problem is that if you are black, if you are of any mixed ethnicity in terms of native American Black Latino European. That isn't Latino from this continent. It just worries me. It just concerns me I mean yes, obviously, what are you paying for? If ancestry isn't doing this for you? But also. When you do, try to access an outside service go. How do you know that that's not going to be used? Probably I probably sound ago like a conspiracy theorist anymore also been telling people to go out and buy canned goods and paper goods and Lysol because they're going to be researched. Of Cove in places where it already hit so I, probably sound like a real tinfoil hat chick. Right about now. I have to support. You're saying because I mean I manage about five family members DNA kits from ancestry so I downloaded the their results. I applauded them to jet match this before. Law Enforcement had access to it. And I told you as a responsible DNA tests administrator. I might affect each individual family member what I was planning on doing, and why I was doing it and they get it. They get that ancestry doesn't give you the full suite of tools that perhaps are ultra to be able to work with. Your DNA results, so they got. They're like Nope, if you can get any kind of indications about. Design judgment refinement that, but as soon as that story broke about the kind of perception of a breach of People's privacy on Jag match pretty much. Everyone who's Kid I administered wanted to take off their like you know we have nothing to hide new in our family's been arrested, but still. We feel really uncomfortable that law enforcement can just going get our DNA Wayne Ella. Had to take all this off in for the last six months. I've been coming along about whether I. Take Mine Off. Ethically, haunts, so that that that that is an issue on the Golden State came down I did take mine off, and the other kids managing as well and only within this last month did I put mine backup. Did Not put the other family members stock up. And I opted out of law enforcement. Now I'm working on a case where it right now. I am seeking the birth parents of an eighty seven year old client. and. So I know. And so this client parents were born at the beginning of the twentieth century, and on one side. It wasn't bad. There were first cousin matches, and so it only took me about four hours to isolate that that was fine. But the other side. The nearest match is a fourth to sixth cousin match. I'm going to have to be yeah. Tell me about it and are only really a few of them. There were like a hundred and fifty matches on one side with the first cousins and everything, and on the other side there are like fifty ish matches, and they start at six cousin so when I'm triangulating and everybody, so you know what triangulating. Is You look at your list of cousins that lineup that you're given from the person who's most nearly related to you going further away in ancestry. And when you click on one of those matches, you can look at all the areas that you do or don't share in terms of geographic origin, and then you can click on shared matches, and it will show everybody with whom you share some DNA and what I was able to do was lineup side number, one and side number two having no idea which side was which parent and it became apparent. That side one was dat, so that's cool, but side to when I have to look at somebody who's. WHO's a fourth to sixth cousin that means at the very closest I'm going to be looking at fourth to fifth grade. Grandparent's maybe six to seventh, and this is an eighty seven year old individual for whom I am seeking this information that takes me deep into colonial days, and the records aren't always good, and they aren't always present, and this is as it happens, a southern family and I'm not really sure where they're going. I'm only started working out one fourth cousin for two sex cousin so far. This is going to kick out a lot of matches when fortunately I did dot them right I did mark them with all the colors I need to and everything like that and so I've got the marked side one inside, too, and so all of those matches will stay in place, but I manage work with Danny hips, belonging to a lot of clients. This is a lot of work that I'm going to have to shove into a really short period of time including work that in a case of pain clients, they might not want to pay for which means they're going to lose their DNA matches. So there's that aspect of it so when I'm working with European clients who are paying clients, european-american clients who are paying clients. They might not want to pay for all of that and they're going to lose that data and at some time. They might be sorry that they did. That's looking at it from a white perspective, unfortunately I think that ancestor is looking at this from A. A very privileged European white perspective as well because they're not seeing is that when it comes to folks who are ethnically deprived of the documentary record then they have the challenge of being in a skin that was not represented in documentation. Then that means that. Yeah, there's going to be a dead data loss. You and I have never shown up this cousins. Mon Ancestry not because. Again By ancestries current matching algorithm. fall chief far back in time they make a fallout flooded about. Five to six generational level right even though I know your work is right and I know my work has right, and we're both descended from retired. Payson, Isabella Smith, and we are both descended from. Cecilia Reynolds. And we are both descended. As was it with William Farrar that she was married his. Let them yet, so that couple and then we're also commonly descended from the Calvert family. So we have documentation were fortunate. But moving forward I mean all of their operational work that I'm trying to do. Man. This is really GonNa cut folks off at the knees. Maybe you might WANNA post a link to it, but I remember right after the death of George Floyd. Astray amongst all the many other companies were sending out these letters filled with beautiful words about we recognize that we don't have diversity within our company and. We don't have I can't remember said he didn't have many or any people of color like the top level of their kind of executive. Functioning. And it shows in things like this. And you gave a beautiful kind of description of a challenge for someone who's majority European American in terms of how does conflict them? So with me, I'M GONNA put my white ancestors to one slide in my Jewish ancestors to one side, so yeah, everyone listening to this I. Am Heinz fifty-seven? I've? Been Everything? a whole lot of European and African. But what really frustrates me. Is that whether it okay I'm going to take this one group at a time. Free people of Color Free people of color basically were free, either because a ancestor was mandated or freed from slavery I'm sitting refraining their children to calm down the status of the mother. They could have descended from a white woman who nine times out of ten would have been an intention serpent. So because she was white and she was free, they were free or the product. They could equally have a white father, so in a lot of my cases, especially for my my Kumbo family I descend from a woman called Elizabeth. Combo and we believe that she had children with the white man. This is again kind of about seventeen, thirty, three, seventeen, thirty, four, she started having children alway down and on Southampton. County Virginia me DNA to figure out who. Demand was who fathered children. Now we have a map of property. We know where she was living. We can see the properties that are around her. We have identified both households that were headed up by a Lotta men because again. We're looking for that Europeans. And by European them, we haven't even started triangulating that, but basically most of my. Cousin are going to be half cousins so already that common DNA is split in half. That's the same thing that I have with all my enslaved ancestors. I probably have about five thousand different. Enslaved family lines in my trade. Every single one of them goes back to a white person. Most of them white men. A handful of white women everyone of this relations. All of my cousins are Hof cousins. We don't share a full set of common ancestors. Most of the time people get. You're talking about common ancestors. The get the husband and wife you descend from to the same people when it comes to slavery. It didn't work that way near. They couldn't keep the bridges button. They couldn't keep their hands off their enslave females, so unless the wife was a cousin to the husband that happens. She's not GonNa be any relation to me whatsoever so when you start dealing with. Sharon amounts of DNA. That eight center more will run out like that site. People can't see me. Let's click my fingers. They will actually run out very very quickly. were not run out. It will reduce very very quickly generation after generation. and. It's things like this that really frustrate me ancestry because it such is common sense, but because you know that there's not elenita person or person who really understands no native genealogy, especially going back into the colonial period. They're just making these things in what I call a white back. To. Again. Let's change this. Let's chance that without realizing actually the repercussions in just how difficult! That's GonNa make it for large subset of people you know in business, a company that spends millions of dollars advertising to Mela native American. Absolutely they do that. I had no idea who I was and I couldn't find this and I couldn't find that, but look at me now. Wearing some kind of. Traditional Nigerian outfit or something like that and say I didn't know that I was Nigerian yeah they absolutely played. A people of Color left right and center. It is definitely a problem you know I. do believe, and I think my teaching reflects it that. Ancestry is a superior product. I think that they have a lot of the things that I need, and that my clients need, and then my students need, and that's great. But there are things that could be changed and made better now when I said I'm not really very good at what I meant is I. Haven't I only started working at finding. Missing family members using DNA whatever kind whether it's siblings or found somebody sister or I found somebody's parents that kind of stuff only within the last couple of years, and so when people talk about. SNP's all these kinds of things are always kinds of terms, and they mean things that I know they mean things, but the fact is I only took the one obligatory math class freshman year, and I thought it, and I had to take it a second time, and then a third time in order to be able to get out of my university. Okay, so I went to school basically so that I can use a calculator. I am not a scientific person. I'm miss systematic person, but I'm not a scientific person. And I have not been in a position to actually learn in any meaningful way how it is that DNA works other than the basics of how much you share. How much you don't how things work. Sometimes, it's vague. Blah Blah Blah, there are things that I understand, but we haven't talked about DNA very much on the program, and that's because everybody I want to interview. I wanted a interviews to somebody who worked at cold spring harbor labs. and. He'd signed non disclosure and he couldn't come on even to explain the difference between. Y. He couldn't do it. He wasn't allowed. And here I was thinking that I had secured this really awesome. Yes, so. So I do understand triangulation and triangulation makes sense. Basically personnel looks at person, be and personnel, person be share person see that means that, if personnel as looking for somebody, then building person, b's Tree and building person sees tree, sooner or later, they're going to collide, and that's how you start to find where person fits into the family, and if you watch the genetic detective, which was six weeks show on ABC here in the United States. That is a really great way to understand how this system works and. There's it's really the only way to do it. It's just very. It's very straightforward. Science Science of it is a different thing. Absolutely, and if I can just remind the listeners. You never use DNA on its own or at least. You should try and make the best effort much use DNA on its own, because DNA, just like a paper trail. It's their tools. And those tools should always dovetail together. What can you give an example so a descendant of Patrick Henry yet? Mister, give me liberty give me. And the way that I was able to prove that was going through. We had it enslaved grandson. My ancestor called George Henry row, so a grandson of Patrick Henry who other Lance Esther so I was able to actually through the paper trail, going through all the slavery, related documents probate records stayed inventories. Sales deeds property records. Does all of that stuff I was able to actually prove that George Henry, road, was born in his. Paternal Grandfather's house that Spencer on in Williamsburg Virginia. I had him and I had his mother because they were recorded in different slavery, related records, so I had him in the house, and I was getting matches on the Henry Fowle and specifically I was getting matches on. Patrick Henry's descendants. Now the fact that Maya festivals called George Henry Roan. He named his first child his first son. Patrick Henry Ryan. Patrick. Henry is still a name that carries down my life, every generation of my my father's mother's side of the family, her own family. There was always a patrick. Henry, so I kinda knew. Sheriff went up on my arm. The has went up on the back of my neck, and I'm like I. GOT IT I. Got It I premed. and. Even, further back I was getting matches on the Henry's parents, both of his parents, their siblings, their descendants, and then his grant in people who are actually descendants. His great grandparents. Take US, history should not have been able to get a match on them like that, but they were all there, but they were. They were just at bat costs. So, actually if the criteria have been eight seven Morgan's. Two thirds of my Henry DNA margins would have disappeared. I would have never seen the would have never known that I, matched them and could have never used that information in their permission to handover all DNA adults. GENETICISTS that I use him to be able to do all the triangulation in all the kind of proof that was required, but the first point was most important. I was actually able to quit George Henry Roan in that room at enslaving round household. That was the important part. Then from there, there was only one son of an Henry and Spencer Rome. They could've done the deed all of his own way too young to have been able to biologically father a child, so there's only one person which. Is always the case, but in my case it was. Because I'm just thankful that at least at the time I was making that discovery ancestry is being more realistic about it's kind of matching algorithms naked Really it really is going to negatively impact people and I just wanted to make another point. That I never had a false match. On seven or six Morgan's never I may not immediately understands who the. Common ancestors are or the one common ancestor might be, but I have never had a false match. I would say under about six center Morgan's deal. Really do have to pay attention. It's eight is easier to get false positives, but I think ancestry is going to have to a lot of explaining about eight. And the threshold, the basement threshold I believe on Jeb match is seven. Is that right? Correct, okay so. Match is a place where people who've taken Danae tests. And Upload can upload from. Any place any place. They taken a DNA test. If they have that ZIP file that has their DNA data in it so I mean Gosh my heritage and DNA and. There are so many people uploading products from different sites. Up to jed match that if jed matched says that seven cents, Morgan's of Sheridan a is not just noise. Then I believe them. I I do because the fact is that that platform is? Built as a science experiment basically is a giant science experiment and so I don't. There are times when the making outfits really irk me and you know I. Encourage people to translate their family trees from ancestry over to family search, and the reason is that I love the idea of course in in my situation when I'm trying to do, we're trying to brown up the tree, because so much of it is accounting for lineage that is northern and western European. And yet. Those lineages are inexorably intertwined with African lineages here in the United States. And so the idea is if it's a one world tree. Let's really make it a one world tree. Let's I mean. Let's do the work. and. I like the common sites. The other reason that I tell people to do that. Is that again? I am a fan of ancestry and I teach ancestry, and I encourage people within my church. Use Ancestry hand in hand with them a search. Something that you have to pay for might go bankrupt and might go A. And that is undeniable so. So I'm trying to think of where what is the lesson learned here? Or what is the action that we take forward? This is what I've got, and we'll see if you have anything else. Brian. What I've got a couple of things. Down Roger Danny Download and always make sure that you have your Rajini. That comes in his file. When you download it what you do from a settings little wheel that's in the upper right corner of your Danny Profile. Download it and save it in like three different places save on cloud saving on Onyx Auxiliary hard-drive save it on your computer, hard drive, and then if you choose to. Upload Jed match. That's on you. That's that's a you problem. Automate problem. Everybody has to figure that out themselves. The other thing is. If. You're worried about this. You need to go in and just marked with colored dots. And those colored dots are a little pallet. Unfortunately, you can't. It's not pan tone. You can't choose just anything that you want. They have very specific I mean I don't know how many twenty four or something colors to choose from. And just say like I've done in my family. Okay, so the pace family is powder blue, and so I'm mark off all the matches that I know to be paid so that I suspect pace in the blocker matches are orange, and so I'm mark all of those with orange by marking with the color dot, according to what I read from the cruise blog. It seems that that will preserve those matches. The problem is if you don't now and it's maybe a idea to create a category called on. And to choose a color for it, and a simply go down your distant matches and mark every single one of them with that so that you can preserve the presence of those matches and work with them in the future if you have not gotten a chance to already. That's what I can think of to protect. Oneself from this new policy in this movement, what do you think Brian? Is there something else that we should be doing? You can also have the option of down looting, your current match list someone. Actually preserve that again. That's that's hidden somewhere in the ancestry Gina's settings. You little settings like on. The options buried in there somewhere, but it is okay, so is that does that come down like a spreadsheet or have you done it before that spreadsheet? Okay, great all right, so these are the actions that we can take everybody. I'm not just here to complain. I'm actually here to complain and come up with a solution, and if I can do it with family, why then so much the better so? This is what we've. Week another point. Why absolutely make any point? You want to point in the hawk. This is not the first radio for this with ancestry. This is either the third or fourth time that they've changed their matching criterion algorithm. And every time that they've done it. genealogists of color specifically have cried out about it going every time that you do this and we're talking very well respected very well. recognizable Black Latino. East Asian. genealogists and like every time you do this, you reduce our ability to find our earliest known ancestors, so ancestry has new position where it can sit there and it's like. Oh, we've never heard this before. Bayport this plenty of time you look at my twitter feed. You can see every time that they've done. I've tweeted at them. I tweeted out them today. Schilling, just getting to that, please. It's the smell everybody. It's the minor out. We'll come back to that one because I'm. I'm sure everyone at this point in time in America is really tired of the R. Word. But. Racism does exist in genealogy. I'll give you an example. My Co host Don Williams our research group out of South Carolina. We were all taking our DNA tests around the same time so naturally all of us kind of appeared on people's DNA match lists around the same time within days of each other, so I guess a lot of our kind of South Carolina or South Colonel Wine a connected white descendants. freaked out, our cousins freaked out. Those trees were closing up and being a private local field of Venus fly traps. Oh Man. Was Literally Bat quick and I can appreciate that I mean I can appreciate a part of it. You know you identify as being European American you think everyone in your family's European American and those little thumbnail. She's oversight and see all these black and brown basis. Going what the heck is going on here. I'm not related to these people kind of thing. But it exists and a lot of times. They don't WanNa. Help the fact that they close up the tree and make them private. Connie supports that. And I'M GONNA. Say that it's a big discussion going on amongst black geologists on on facebook and social media today with this announcement going sorry, but we really do feel as though ancestry is supporting European-americans field some kind of way about being related to black people and specifically being related black people because of slavery I. Wish Americans as a whole this talking to someone who's lived abroad for most of his life. I wish we could just accept tough troops and I wish that we could talk about tucked truce. If your family, your family, if your DNA DNA causing your DNA, cousin, I don't care if slavery is the thing that actually unites it was what it was. It is what it is less exchange information. I'm stuck on this part of your family tree. You can help me with that. I'm going to help part of the family tree that you are stuck on I. Don't expect anything I. Don't expect you to pay my university Mike My College debts Mike. I don't expect Christmas presents. Birthday presents Christmas cards, nothing basically nine times at a time. I just need inflow or a document, or if you can help me, were document is because it hasn't been digitize. We're good. We're gold But, it doesn't know this is the country that we live in these times that we live in and unfortunately it just doesn't work that way and I think the both parties have a lot to learn from each other. Again I've got a lot of poorly documented colonial era berry poor white. European ancestors who are difficult. To research that I've developed knee and other parts of the genealogy benches crew develop strategies for researching early documented ancestors. You did it with are enslaved down because that's what we have to do. But those methodologies easily adapt so like. I said people who were going into ruling early Tennessee Kentucky Ohio does all of this formerly made of held a parts of the country that are European ancestors pollutants. He really really early and I think that's just a wealth of information that can be shared, but people need to kind of get over there cutting knee-jerk reaction of. Understanding that they're related to people who don't like equally I knew people of color who are happy or comfortable. With being related to white people as well it works, there's two different dynamics there. Flip sides to the same coin. Accidents and reluctance, and I've just miss most my time I just WanNa. Say I wish Americans could just get over themselves. Just exactly history is history. Whatever happened happened. I'm going to hold. My Mitrovica cousins from Maryland. I am not going to hold them accountable for the fact that the cowboys were enslavers. We're talking what to almost three hundred years ago. That was back then? It's just recognize each other as as family. The other thing I want to make clear everybody is you know the purpose of this podcast is to serve as a up call increasingly so I am. Laser focused on. This is a wakeup call, and it is time for what you need. To come through for black genealogists in ways that they have not done before, and if it's not comfortable, good, that means you're facing it, so stay in that discomfort and walk on through it the way that you do any other fear. One thing that you can do. Is You can message everybody in your DNA is for what does for my white listeners for my white American listeners. Everybody who shows up in your DNA list who has a black face? The first thing you do, is you select for the Danny matches. That had photographs, and then go through that list and message every single match of color and tell them just hey, how you doing seems that were related fourth to six cousins, or whatever it is that the D. N. A. Match says and I'd be really. Really Interested in working with you on this. It's going to be hard, but I think it'll be fun. That's all you have to do. That's all you're doing. Is You're saying hey, because apparently according to the cruise blog at cruised up locked spot dot com, one of the things that you can do is just message somebody in a few message. The person than that match will be retained. Well. It's easy enough to do that now. Some people don't put their photographs on it because. The photograph immediately identifies a person's ethnicity and that can be. A way to hang doors shut before they're ever opened the same way that you said when you and Dagnon everybody uploaded. I've certainly seen that happen. I've had people tell me about that. Happening and I had a woman storm out of the pace family group that you and I are both then when I dared to post something asking if folks were marking their enslaving ancestors as such on our trees and. I sent it, so that Adleman had to approve posts and I mean the only admin now, so I read it but I then deleted. It I didn't put it out there for everybody else because it was just poison, but what she said was that the idea offended her southern heritage, and that she was going to locker tree up tight so that nobody could see her work, and that was her determination. That's fine, and it's understandable therefore when people don't put photographs on profiles. But if you're suspicious, then just look at them. Systematically do TV's on in the background? Take a couple of days to do this. You know just take a week whatever and go through each one and if you see that on their ethnicity estimate, there is Cameroon or an idea or Asian or anything else like that, then go for it just message then or mark them and mark them as you know, POC cousin or Or something like that and make sure that one of your colored dots is that there are ways that we can combat this obviously, but it doesn't take in larger question and larger question. That's when we talk about twitter. Remember folks that I did an episode about twitter. You're ember that remember how most of you completely ignored everything that I had to say when I said that twin peaks so passive aggressive I said. I said that twitter was a great tool for genealogists and it is. Twitter is a great tool for genealogists. It's a great way to get into a community and to ask for help, and to offer help and joke around and to simply have people who understand how wonderful and annoying this profession or hobby or whatever it is for you is. And when you do that, you can also tweet at ancestry. You can talk about problems. That ancestor has hashtag ancestry problems. There are ways to get the community into a discussion that includes ancestor being notified with every mention or response or re tweet, and let's ancestry no in a way that actually they do access. They really do respond on twitter. It lets them know what it is that we are worried about that. We are upset about that is a problem. Protests works. And I think that it's time to start addressing sustained Mak racism and. Thoughtlessness and white privilege engineer algae because there's no room for racism in genealogy. There's no room for what religion genealogy. Kinda discussion that Black Jimmy all have had today's. We feel though ancestry enables white fragility absolutely. And we just wish that. Our ancestry could have parity with the people that we really do feel that they're. They're trying to protect him. Bubble wrap near protected their little feelings in in bubble wrap. Thinking will hang on a minute. It's like I can understand where they would get a shock. Maybe thinking that three four five six seven times great GRANDPA wasn't. This. Person that the bench either history has portrayed or Family is betrayed. At our expense, we're the product of that. Those unions whether they were consensual or not. We have genealogists colored. Don't necessarily feel. The ancestry understands your appreciate that we have a different story to tell or that. Even our Kadena cousins recognized that we will have a different kind of interpretation A. Events as We just really wish that. Our Ancestry Kinda had the same parody or same kind of duty of care was taken for us. for I guess majority European Americans now it would be nice to actually feel about for a change because. I've never folk. Absolutely, and of course rightly, so I mean, and you have the direct experience that proves it I have the indirect experience, and and having chosen to believe what I've been told about the way things are. Going into an archive and not being given record if you're black, but then having a white person walk in an hour later and get my record. You know I want everyone to take personal responsibility for their own family. I want everybody to be looking at their ancestors and saying. Either my ancestors enslaved other human beings, and I want to understand more about that. And I want to put all of that information out there and doing it. Or my ancestors got hair after enslavement had ended. But, we all still benefited. From the enslavement of human beings, because the country's economy was built on it. It's the foundation of this economy, and we're not just talking about inflation slavery, and we're also talking about the period of Jim Crow, and we're even talking about now. You know the fact is that there are two Americas and I want people to start to look at that, and it's really uncomfortable, and it's really aggravating and I. Know for me just makes me so furious sometimes. Sometimes I can't control what I can't fix it. I can't change it, but it's there and the next thing to do is to move forward on it. And so how do we make changes? Okay? We change ourselves, but the other thing that I think that we need to do as a response to this is. We need to let ancestry now. Hey, this is not okay. You are doing something that is. At its roots. And that will have a racist effect. Even if you didn't know it, you should have because hey, just as Brian just pointed out. You don't have any. Black Brown folks up at the top of your company. The upper echelons are the same as the lower echelons, all white. It's White Whitey Whitey White. Let's fix. Actually. Be Interesting to get your take on something. It's something that I've never really talked about. The first part of it is most black genealogists almost. All the ones that I know and I know hundreds of black genealogist. When we're not, we're not out to make. People feel bad or guilty about being descendants of Enslavers, because not your fault, it's not our fault how we connect. It is what it is. But what I would say is following. Caroline's really really good suggestion about reaching out to. People of Color who are on your DNA match list one thing you might WanNa to consider as if your ancestry slight is student with confederate memorabilia. Now I don't care if I really. WanNa to information bad enough. I will ignore the fact that someone's got to federal flags. Ed Re wear and I will just asking the question. They normally don't get back to me. They see my profile thicken. Wonder how that works! It's just crickets. There's GonNa. Be No heart and follow through on this and I can imagine of ancestry were to say okay. New, more, confederate flag at least flag I mean. If someone's ancestor WANNA confederate medal, and they wanNA put a metal. Is Their profile pic fair on that? Actually do get you proudly ancestor boughten Walton battles and conducted himself in a manner that he got an award I'm not I'm not gonNa feel about that, but a confederate flag, or all the confederate flags on like really really. I knew what you're telling me and I. Know that you know that I know what you're trying to talk me is that? Is that really necessary? But you know and I know how Americans are. If ancestry were to come out with a policy statement going no more confederate flags, all hell would break loose, and you know as a commercial entity you, you and I both know exactly how we can get a good gas to help many members. It would lose if Be Aware because I have strong feelings about the confederate flag I am very strong feelings about the better like because. I knew the people would actually came to the raping of slaves I knew the white. The maintenance of the white men who raped female ancestors I'm the product of that. So I have very strong feelings about the even apart from the just slavery as a whole and that the whole thing. Very very strong feelings about it the last thing I really want to. Do is I'm doing. My genealogy and ancestry is having to deal with like lutes at all place. Yeah, I mean when I mark people as having participated in a military action or war or having served in the Military World Edna say being army I use army seal a navy use the navy seal that kind of thing, but when it comes to representing a confederate in my family. I created a graphic, and it's white words on a red field and it says. Confederate soldier. Or Salter for the confederacy something like that, and so on, and that's that's a 'cause. I need that visual everybody has their different way of going I really like having visual that tells me something and I have one that's identical to it. Only it's a Bluefield with the same exact fault, and it says Union soldier missile war. And that way, if somebody looks at my tree, and they wanna stay sort of where it is, people, words stuff like that. They'll see that there is not one confederate flag on my tree, and really if you're listening to this podcast, and you've been listening regularly, there should not be one on your cider. And if there is I'd never even thought of that. If there is, please, swap it out for the thing that I use I will make it available on my facebook fan page a little. Make it available. MUTH group I will make it available on twitter as I have done previously and I've drafted a new one and I wanNA. Make a note of this here. Everybody can grow and change. Just this week. I was really pushed over into a place of understanding using. A graphic that said slave older was not good enough. and. I replaced it. I made a new one and it says in slavery. And the reason is very simple language matters. If somebody is a slave holder, it means they're holding slaves, and that imputes slave character to a person. No person is a slave as they're being as their profession as their personality, people who are enslaved are artisans and our blacksmiths and our chefs, and all these other things. And they're also siblings, parents and Renton and whatever. So yes, it's important that we continue to learn and it's important that we take this stuff forward, and we can do it if you haven't started a twitter account yet. If you haven't created twitter account, you need to do that. Go back and listen to my twitter episode I will post a link in the show notes, and that is going to tell you everything that you need to know about how to become active within the genealogy community on twitter in. It's a valuable thing. It's where you can be heard. It's where you can learn. And in this case, I think it's time for a bit of a tweet up. And for folks to start really letting ancestry now what is okay, and what is not and the fact? They've been really thoughtless with this. It's not the black communities job to do this. It's everybody's job to do this. Does seem to fall on US account. We're told snowflakes. Get over it or forget about it or happened so long ago. Was Blessed to have two of my great grandma is in my life until I was a teenager. I think I commend died when I was fifteen. We're talking women who were over Andrew Years Old. They were born free, but their parents were enslaved. And their aunts and uncles were enslaved. They had cousins who are enslaved now one great grandmother from South Carolina I, couldn't sorry for North Carolina I couldn't get her to talk about. That at all. She didn't WANNA discuss it. My South Carolina. Grandmother didn't discuss it very often, but she did. Share the story with us about choose a little girl. She says she was about seven or eight years old, running around Edgefield South Carolina, and she also must have been a really hot day because a lot of the men have their shirt slop as they were working working on their farm. And she's like. Why are all of their their their backs with all of those funny funny thing? What are this funny things on their backs with the been whipped? And those scars! Wow, that stayed with her. For the entirety of her life. That stayed with her. So it wasn't that long ago. I think people I think that it once, but black people with deep ancestry in this country are only to at least two to three generations away from slavery and its. Distance from Jim Crow to be to be perfectly honest, yeah! I that we're in Jim Crow I believe that we are in a variety of Jim Crow that. That that a lot of people, a lot of white people don't recognize, but it's true. I think it's called Jim Crow chief point. Oh or does it make sense go? Something like that, but I would just invite listeners to this. Who are like I love my confederate flag and you just have to accept it and Blah Blah Blah will. This tall is about analogy to them, but. If you were Jewish. You would not want to see the Nazi flag. You're going to have strong mega tive emotions and feelings about that. People of Color. Do not want I shouldn't say all amount representative for for every elevated American. Everyone in my family. My family is huge. You can start getting out to the fourth and fifth cousin level. I don't know a single black person in my fear. That wants to see that flack. Cousin had especially. If you're a genealogist, because you have the, you have the stories you know what happened to your ancestors and you know what was done to your ancestors. You know that flag represents. There are other ways that you can, despite that like I, said if the person won a medal or ribbon or your graphic or a neutral graphic, because again I mean I've done something very similar. For my ancestors who fought in the union. There were a couple of union battle flex came from the different states like the Pennsylvania. I wouldn't dream of putting up their thinking while I I've got southern cuts. Cousins who are going to feel some hideaway if going to be angry about singer union flag. Wash live to see a confederate flag because I feel exactly the same way about that flag that you would feel about a union flag. So. There's a lot to the jess chair I think and there are actions that we can take. We can be responsible within our own trees. We can be responsible in the larger community. To other researchers, we can knowing that ancestry at this moment anyway is going to be enforcing this new algorithm and policy. We can mark our matches. We can contact matches, and we can do the things that sort of grandfather in those matches, we can download the spreadsheet. That is a current list of matches. And then we can act. We can contact ancestry. Let them know that it's not helpful. Not Constructive going to be a problem in whatever ways whether it's something that you take personally because you're a foster or adoptive. Or. There isn't n. p. e. event somewhere in your line, and you're trying to look into that or whether it is that you know that this is not fair to population. It doesn't have to be your own population that it's not fair to it. Just you have to know it's just not right. It's just not right. It's not fair enabling fragility in people and letting them be all, but this you know. What is it that that women said that it offended her southern heritage or whatever? Yes yeah, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not gonNA. Play that I'm not gonNA play that, and if you're listening, you don't play that either, because that's not what we do, that's not what we do as my mother used to say about a great many things. That's not what we do. What I would dearly love to see people speaking out about this now because I think if there was enough critical up chief things people to speak out. And for ancestry, put the on this because this is just in the pipeline. They haven't done it yet. There's nothing to say that they have to do this so for people to speak or ancestry to put the brakes on and listen to your customers. We're the ones he pay your salaries because we've been through our membership. Listen to your customers. Engaged with us. Find out what our concerns are. Find it what our experiences have been every single time. You've done this because I'm i. don't WanNa, saying, but the cousin by my dear cousin in DC who you love. Sopo he. Will, her mother's European has been reduced from like eighteen percents of fifteen or fourteen percent. She has lost almost all of her white DNA matches. She used to have lose and remember this cousin of our. We relate we share nine dipped sets of common ancestors, but for whatever reason because I have much more European DNA. I haven't lost nearly. I've lost a few a handful of my European. My white DNA matches. Just a few. You mentioned Aliu almost losing. Almost all of us and ancestry doesn't have an explanation for that. It's just like kick. Can a leg out from under stool? I mean it's just it's GonNa Teeter and fall. You can't do the work if you don't have the documentation and the DNA you need these things that are interwoven as you said that dovetail, that's the only way that this could possibly work, and we have high expectations now because the tools have been there for a while, and so now we expect to be able to do these things we expect to be able to triangulate. To blow that out of the water is not only irresponsible. It's backwards and it does real harm. And I think that that matters so so. I wanted Brian to come and talk to us about this today and I'm really glad that you did Brian. I, thank you for that. You have a book that just came out. Tell us about that and tell us where we can find you on social media. It will thank you very much and thank you again for them. From who steamy on your show, I've really early. In very good compensation to have to so come up with two books slum their back to back. The first one is called practical genealogy fifty practical steps to researching family history. It's all done very kind of light conversational tone, trying to avoid complicated language and lingo always a good thing. It's thing. But it really does step by step you right through it, and there's something there for everyone so whether you're African American. There's even a little bit about native American. Ancestry European ancestry. Immigrants Ancestors the works really gives you a good thorough introductory to intermediate level explanation of. Genealogy genetic genealogy. There's a couple of chapters in there. About what certain terms mean you all of? That's kind of explored in explains, and there's the family tree workbook which is A. Both Electric Ormat and a paperback ground I. Think it's got about thirty two or three three family history forms in can actually use the book either a workbook or research logbook to get everything organized and. You can just lay hands on it. And where can we find this where they available? They are available in a barnes and Noble Amazon Dot Com and a lot of the the big kind of. Online book retails stores. Okay Great, and you have the weekly Sunday podcast, which is a video podcast is more of an interview show. I mean. Do you call it a podcast? It's called genealogy ventures. Tell us about that and where we can find it. Are referred to as my little online TV show. Genealogy adventure you can get our website. That has oliver details, articles videos, and and how did you research in its genealogy adventures? One Word Dot Net? You don't even have to type in the H. T.. T. P. was that. Takes their. That's great, and and the Youtube is is really useful, because if I don't catch it day I've I know. I can catch it day after and that's very helpful or any time for that matter. put it in a playlist and just play them one by one as I'm padding around the kitchen and doing what I'm doing. That's definitely good. And where else can we find Jones Social Media Actually you know the most popular thing I don't even know if you've explored this one pinterest really. Yep. It's interesting. Basically all of our social media handles is some variation of genealogy adventures. Sometimes, it's genealogy advance because that's the that's the number of characters were given, but it's always some form of genealogy at inches. PINTEREST is off slow. Week crazy traffic through our through our PINTEREST board. Interesting. Wow so much so that I basically stopped instagram. I'm convinced instagram is kind of okay for us, but. We weren't really getting that. Hardcore genealogy kind of there whereas pinterest. Wow, just awesome. Okay, so so that and then of course twitter is a great place to have a conversation so i. see you there and you will find me on Lincoln. Oh. Yes, absolutely is a great place grapes. That's how I found you. and. I just want to tell everybody real. Quick this story of how okay I was working on a reputational tree for Raymond Bird who was a lynching victim in the nineteen twenties. Thousand Twenty three, I'm not sure that that's right, but anyway twenty one twenty one and his wife was Josephine Shipping Yeah Josephine Chaffee. I started to follow Brian on Lincoln and seeing his posts, and then I was kind of poking around, and I was looking into the Chevy side of the tree, and I thought I wonder does that the most common name in the world, so maybe and I contacted you and you said yes, as a matter of fact, that is my cousin. So we became friends on facebook and everything, and then of course the fateful day, when we found out that we were both descended of the Calvert family, and realized that we were family, and it's just gotten more interesting and better since then. So. It was Josephine Hawkins was. Funny enough. Both of us got to the same brick wall independently of each other 'cause. Raymond Bird is actually a chevy. He's the oldest known ancestors, an unknown person with the initial s shopping and we both got stuck on that I. Really know if S. Chevy, white with black was male with female. We had no idea and I can't find any one of the white side of the family at bat generation that ever had an Aslan not one of them. And we know that because Brian was good enough to. Allow me to invite him into the tree and to take a look at it for me and. To make sure that I was moving in the right direction, because this was the first tree for alleged victim that I had ever done. It's just the oddest thing you know. With cousins in common and who have become great friends of mine, and this is how genealogy works when you do it right, and when you you know if I if you will cross the color line if you don't worry about ethnicity and you just try to do the work. The thing is that you run up against some of the greatest people, and that's how I feel about you brand so I really WanNa. Thank you for having been here with us today. And having this conversation, which is not an easy conversation for some people to hear or to contemplate, and it's definitely an essential conversation and one that I will continue to have and I know you will so thank you very much. And again, thank you for the opportunity you bet. And there you go as of July. Twenty third ancestry stated the following to genealogist Emily Doolan Alycia know about dropping matches below eight sent to Morgan's based on customer feedback. We are delaying this change until late. August, so you have time to review and determine if you want to save any very distant matches by adding them to a group, starring them adding a note or sending them a message. We hope this helps. Well. It does and thank you. Emily for posting that publicly on facebook page. We need to work together to stay informed because ancestry is not putting its best foot forward, neither with updates about the policy, nor with the policy itself as I said, please listen to episode to a one about joining twitter and using it for genealogy. It's the quickest way to stay. Stay informed on the latest developments in genealogical research, and it's truly a well-developed healthy community for help and support and as a source of Genie News let me tell you. It is the quickest way to find out what you need to know. Thanks so much for listening. Keep researching demand thoughtful policy from the powers that be and above all expect surprises sir.

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Episode #53  Talking with Robert Sanchez of Miracle Flights: The Cure for Distance

The Pilot Network Podcast

24:23 min | 5 months ago

Episode #53 Talking with Robert Sanchez of Miracle Flights: The Cure for Distance

"Alan! Welcome back to the parliamentary podcast. It's be Matt from here. Rob Sanchez and their flights. and. We're really honored to have him to talk to us about something. That's a little bit different. Normally we talk about Howard on businesses or getting a job, but were finding that. Path that transition from military aviation to the airlines, and in today's environment, maybe back to the squadron or something like that. Right now we're going to talk. About is is kind of a stone propaganda organization, a fiber, one C., three, a nonprofit and something that is designed to give back. And so we invited rob onto the show, and and really wanted to hear about what they're doing in share with some other opportunities in some of the different ways, aviation impacts, families, and and those in need of help so rob thanks much being on the show. Welcome, Hey Matt. I appreciate you having a song. Thank you so much. Absolutely. So let's start off with If you want to just introduce yourself in kind of a little bit of what you do, and then maybe a little bit about what miracle flights us sure, yeah, absolutely, as you said Mike My name's Robert Sanchez. I work for a nonprofit. A charity called miracle flights in what we do is we provide free commercial flights to those in need of life changing medical care, not sound in their local communities. I know that's a mouthful. But what? What? What does that mean in reality and basically what that means is. There are families and patients all over this country that receive a medical diagnoses and. And the right treatment isn't necessarily in their city or town There's this tremendous gap in our in our medical care system madoff. And and you can have the right treatment, but what goes right treatment if if you can't get there and many families are are obviously struggling today. With finances in these kinds of things, medical care is is expensive enough, so there's this gap and miracle. Flights exist to help. Those families get to that medical care. So so they can really focus on A. Leading happier healthier lives. Absolutely zoo. What kind of demographic do you normally find uses your services in? And how did they find news that normally kids are teenagers, adults, or is a little bit of all the above. Yeah, it's. It's a great question so. Our organization is thirty five years old, so we're actually celebrating our thirty fifth anniversary June a twenty twenty. And you know we originally started with our original vision. If you will was that, no child should suffer. When the right treatment is just a plane. Ride away and I say that because miracle flights is always catered to. Sit Kids in that. That's why we exist. Ride we we exist to to basically help. These kids get better. Feel better so to answer your question. Are the main demo of patients. We serve our pediatric patients about seventy five percents of our Avar that the patients are we fly are under the age of eighteen now with that, said we do serve adults as well so we we are not age restrictive in any kind of way, so adult patient, a pediatric patient I. If you need help getting the right medical treatment and you need to travel in, you can necessarily afford it. That's that's where miracle flights steps in. It's awesome so I think. A lot of people have heard about angel, flight and make a wish foundation. Where do you fall into that kind of spectrum in terms of? comparison. How do you compare to those other two organizations, and do you ever work in conjunction or what's kind of the difference between? Yeah Yeah. I totally hear you. All all great organizations right make a wish. Angel Angel flights. The reliance is someone. We were closely with shriners saint. Jude's all amazing organizations that we we hope to be. As big as as well known as those organizations down the line, but To answer your question, we we, we do work with with a number of organizations the ones. I just listed in helping fly some of their patients in some of their families more specifically. Angel Angel. Angel Flights That's stats. Another one where I think I'm going to send it before, but all of our families. All of our patients like commercial now. And sometimes. You know a patient or a family can't really fly commercial. Maybe their. Maybe their diagnosis prevents them from maybe sitting upright in a plan, or they have to have some medical equipment while at that point in time. We work with our friends over at some of our partner organizations like angel flights or on the Carolinas where they step in, and they help with with some of those cases, and and it goes vice versa right? Let's say you know. They have a patient family. That needs some help. Maybe commercial as the best fit, the they'll, they'll refer them to us. You know for us. And for all of our partner, organizations were all out there trying to help families, and I were stronger together for sure sure. No, absolutely I mean that's very. Valuable, resource I know especially. If you're flying cross country for medical procedures every couple of months that can add up and get pretty pricey when you've got medical bills on top of that, so that's that's pretty huge. What can you talk a little bit about how you interface with? Themselves, but some of those relationships look like and. you know, are, are they? Do. You essentially buy tickets from the airline, or are they donating what does that? Right right, yeah, the airline industry shut shut out to the airline industry, because obviously right now the things are things are really tough, so. We can't we all can't wait for things to kind of you know. Get back to some sense of normalcy so so we can see vs robust airports in these full flight again, but. In regards to our airline partners. The vast majority of our of our flights every single month. We actually purchased these flights. So but but we do have some really big airline partners and have an have throughout the course of these thirty five years. We've got some great ones. Our biggest far southwest airlines they. They have been a tremendous partner and donate so many flights. Every single year for for these patients all over the country. Keep in mind that or doing you know. Six hundred flights a month all over the country, so so the these things that up so the lion's share of of our of the flights that we provide really are purchased, so we we go online, and just just like you would have just like any other person. Would you know you look for the best deal? But you know our families? There are so many accommodations that we have to make, and we WANNA, make sure we're providing the the most. You know straight flights right because a layover for family with with a sick kid is not easy. You know so. We WanNA. Make sure that we're providing the most streamline efficient. Service we can so we we purchase. Those are not only possible because of our partners, and because of generous donors throughout the years that have given to this organization but the airline industry is really helpful. Again southwest they partner. You know one of our smaller sun country. Out of Minneapolis, they've been great to us. jetblue recently coming on in supporting a miracle flights that we've had create relationships with some of the legacy. Airlines United American Delta throughout the years on more of a case by case basis It's hard not to help some of these families. What wants to hear their stories, so we have a whole team of whole flight department. If you will up Erica flights dedicated to to helping our families out. That's really cool. How big is your team? You know what we're small, but mighty we got a staff of about twelve right now. And we like I said when when you're doing, you know six hundred flights a month all over the country. It's a lot of coordination, but but I can tell you we we. We run officiant shop. And then on my side, personally I, I got free in development fundraising department that that that are helping raise funds six. We can pay for these flights. No that's really cool. So what are some the origins? How'd how'd you get involved with the organization? And how did it get started in the first place? Yeah, yeah, sure yet I think I mentioned it, you know. The organization was founded back in nineteen, eighty, five in in Las, Vegas of all places and I'm not sure if you've ever been today, but Vegas in eighty five biggest eighty-five wasn't. It wasn't the big bustling city that it is now so. So, our founder had some some deep connections in the aviation community with with malice airforce base out here. and. You know she. She had a personal connection to our mission and she. She started the organization because she didn't want you know any family. To, go through this this this sort of trouble sorta heartache so. She had friends and she was. One of those folks. made sure that that if you can help. She. She would make sure that you signed up to help so. If, that relentless pursuit, right that I think all founders kind of comment so so some of our very first flights were private charter. Pilots using their their private planes and flying on blood, actually lifesaving blood up to rural Nevada for traffic accidents for for example from from other cities. So you know she she kind of grew this organization from that from that inspiration of doing whatever it takes a years later. She had a private pilot that work. That was that was expanse. Growing and I think it was in the mid two thousands when. Miracle Flight doesn't organization actually moved. Away from the private pilot network. which we really loved and where we are start into more of the commercial model, and they're really reasons for that two main reasons for that number one. This pilot pilot network was getting very large very quickly and. Our team is small now, but he was. It was even smaller back then and I think for for our founder to to keep up with. And insurances on on some of the the private pilot was becoming increasingly difficult and then secondly. From, patient family experienced standpoint. Commercial is just the way to go. It is there's more options you go further more straight flight, so it just seems like it was the the obvious choice for a growing organization. And we've been. We've been flying the commercial model ever since really. Great, so I have to ask Yo. Obviously you've been. The organization's been doing a lot of these flights for this probably some incredible stories that have happened over that time to do any stand out in your mind as as great success stories or Kids that you know really benefited from the all benefit from this, I'm sure, but it that stand out in your mind more than any others. Yeah, yeah, there's there's so many I think working in it in my position that he worked at this organization where you know a any nonprofit really. These these stories kind of tug at your heartstrings, one of the first ones I remember. In the family it was just so obvious was was a a patient. Her name is Jessica on. She's actually from Las Vegas. Jessica was born with a with a condition called Arthur throw posts. essentially it's an orthopedic. Medical condition were the limbs. Don't necessarily develop in normal kind of way. A typical diagnosis for someone with Arthur poses a depending on severity is usually. They're confined to a wheelchair That's that's just the reality for many of them while Jessica. Started flying with miracle flights to get some specialized medical treatment in Seattle as he can imagine. The treatments are frequent and and. The cost of of flying to Seattle is is is a lot from from Las Vegas. So she started flying with his at the at the tender age of two. And let's see after sixteen years and thirty five plus miracle flights. Last year she was able to walk across her high school graduation stage so that that that's a sort of a great story of of Miracle Flights and certainly one of the half year endings that that we love to see on our. Absolutely I in the success stories are what make it all worthwhile you know, and helping those families and seeing someone who just has really blossomed out of that experiences. I'm sure extremely gratifying. She she's. She's an incredible kid, she she. She actually just finished her first year at Oregon State University, so you know it's again. One of those things you just look at and you say wow, you know. This kid has come a long way, and it makes it all worth it, and yes, sure absolutely. Do you have any idea how many kids you flown total over the miracle? Flights have flown total over the. History of the organization. Yeah, I! Mean it's it's it's gotta be. It's definitely in the thousands I I don't have the exact number you know we we be like. In. Regards aviation we do track flights and we a track a mile so. Since nineteen, eighty five. We've flown over one hundred thirty thousand flights. And over seventy four million miles, so undergoes goes to was not big stats for us. certainly in the thousands. When when you talk about kids from coast to coast it's it's just really cool to to think about the history of the organization, and and to see those great success stories. You know I mentioned these Jessica over thirty five times. That's that's one thing about organizations. What will fly you know a kid, a patient, a family as As many times as it takes, and as you can imagine, some of these treatments are so frequent that does it several treatments a year so you know were. If you look at the life span of that relationship, we've flown them dozens of times at least so it's just really cool to look back and sort of see that progress absolutely and and I'm sure the treatments themselves are stressful. Enough know if you can simplify some of the. of the the transportation part of it, I'm sure that reduces the stress. -nificant way in a way that is invaluable to those parents. As they're, they're worried about something else entirely Hampshire yet. Yeah, I mean. If if we can take that one stress off, they they can focus on on the other difficult things going on for sure. So as an airline pilot I I. Don't know that I've ever been aware that I had a a miracle. Flights kid in the back or or whatnot in you know, is there. Is there a way that we can no that that sort of thing is going on without you know maybe an announcement or something like that, but you know How would we know that we've got a special guest back there? Yeah, it's it's it's. It's something that we're always working on. I, I can tell you that you don't origins as small. As a small mighty charity still ring true today. You know we we really need to do. A Better job of obviously got a calling out these flights. Over the last few years we, we've given t shirts to our families as they fly. You know they have these little. Stuffed, animal bears, we we. We try to give onto each family. His name is actually miles at, and he's a great. A great little companion on these trips. you know I I know some other organizations are really really great job of making sure. The whole flight is aware that that it's a you know a certain organization flying a kid, so we have some. We have some plans in the works to to make sure that we highlight these flights a little bit more so map hopefully a very senior you'll. You'll sort of see one on one of your parents for sure. That'd be great so obviously. The pilot network has a lot of pilots. Military Airline and and otherwise what some of the ways that. Our members, our organization can help out. Would what are some of the things that we can do to kind of be involved in Contribute and help. Yeah so just two quick notes that in regards to our programming You know I did want to say obviously we help. Families which medical care we also help families reach service dog retrieval so that that's that's another thing that we started a few years ago. And then we absolutely. are trying to expand our reach to to the veteran community as well so investing need to travel for any kind of medical treatment that say hey. The Va may be isn't covering or or whatever the case may be. Please reach out to floods because we absolutely want to help. In regards to to your awesome. You know pilot network. I think some of it obviously is is. Visiting our website, you know looking at ways to support us. What weather be through donations? But also through you know even just following us on the social on social media. times a certainly difficult these days, and we have a ton of great stories on our on our social media, so if you need some new brain your day. If you need some to look at to kind of take your mind off of everything going on, please follow us I that that would be a great way to engage with our community, but. Also just for spreading awareness. Our Organization is here to help as many families as we can. So if if the network out there has knows if someone that may be need some help with medical travel. Please! Have them call us visit our website shearson email Get to a somehow so that we can so that we can help on one of the things that gets me out of bed in the morning. I know that there's a family out there. That's maxing out their credit card. That has no idea that miracle flights exists miracle flights is in a position to help, and and that's what drives me. That's what drives rt to to keep pushing to make sure that people know. We exist as an organization and know that we're here to help. Absolutely, and that was one of the biggest reasons that we wanted to invite you on the show just to kind of spread awareness, and and let people know about what your organization is doing and how you're helping families, and those sorts of things and. We were introduced by Dave Heim back at at jet scene, which is a great great guy yeah. It such a fantastic organization. He's running a little business that. is growing leaps and bounds as well so we were really excited that that he was working with you, and and appreciated the introduction, so the got a what's in the future for where you hope miracle flights is GonNa. Go what what do you hope to grow into? Yeah Yeah. I, mean, I would love you know five ten years I I see vehicle flights, really being one of those household names went when it comes to your charity or nonprofit. I see our programming evolving a little bit, too. As we speak to our families at the role incredible, they all have these inspirational stories. They are highlighting. And it's it's. You know it's enlightening for us to understand these things, but it's also. It's a challenge, right? It's a challenge for for me and my team, specifically to raise to to fundraise and to be able to help them on a number of different fronts with the travel journey. I mean you. You look at a family traveling rights. We're covering the flight right and and the cost of that, but what about the cost of accommodations, right? What? What about the cost of food when when you travel? You know these are the kinds of things that you know if we can start to evolve those organization I I. Don't have any specific timelines or specific plans but I. Absolutely see US evolving to a place where we're able to help with the entire entire travel journey. One day hopefully hopefully, very. That's a very admirable goal. And I hope that we can help you get third. Do our little small part in. We wish you the absolute best in that journey so Generally appreciate your time and coming on the show it's been. Just to Kinda of short introduction to the network, and we hope to have you on many times in the future, and maybe bring one of the kids onto to talk about their experience, and how that's maybe one of their parents to talk about how you know some of the good things that that this is taken off their plate. They can. They can focus on the task of getting better and working out the treatments, and eventually walking across that at graduation stage, but so just kind of in closing. If someone wants to reach out to you, get in touch with miracle flights or you directly with us. Where do that? Yeah, I I would say website Miracle Flights Dot Org. Are On their phone numbers on their. A ton of information is on there for for anyone that that that needs help them and again mad. I can't stress enough. We're we're here and we WANNA help so if anyone else there obviously knows of a patient family, please please make sure you tell them about miracle flights and we will do everything in our power to to to help. Absolutely more course. Put your contact information in the show notes below so. Everybody can always kind a contact you that way. If you again as always if you WANNA contact myself for Adam. that. Hey guys at the pilot network Dot, word, or you can find us on facebook group for the community. We're all over the place out there so as always. We appreciate everything you do never fly safe. Blue Skies, trying to sign up the dirty side down. F..

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Why Does Sweat Smell Bad?

Stupid Genius with Emma Chamberlain

27:45 min | 1 year ago

Why Does Sweat Smell Bad?

"Bramble hi. I'm back to my podcast Tuba Genius having a Good Day Day I. Let's let's talk about the podcast for a second because you know we're here right listen. I want to change it up a little bit okay. I feel like I feel like you know. I've never done a podcast before okay so when I first started I had this vision of what I wanted. The podcast look like and now I feel like that's starting to change a tiny bit not really but a little bit. I still like the fact that we have these like questions that we talk about them and I want to be doing all that but I think instead of. I want to make it a little more raw editing-wise. Just make it Omarama get a little bit more organic. Whatever take away a lot of the added stuff and you know start including my amazing producer Kristen into this a little bit. She's GonNa be reading. The answers to me live on onset. Hello fee there she is. She's the best so she's going to be. We're going to be more having a conversation rather than like you know having like narrator anyway. It's going to be a lot more like organic in more of a discussion with Christy. You know instead of it being so overly really produced. They just feel like that's never been me but I wanted it to be when when I first started this and now I'm just starting to feel like not as excited about how about that format in so I want to change it up still going to be fun probably going to be even more fun but you know that's the thing it's kind of hard. It's a hard bus to the EGO at times. When you know the way that you envisioned something doesn't end up satisfying you the way that you wanted it to and you have to change things around that can hurt your ego. Go but it's a part of growth you'll like when I first started my youtube channel. I was like doing shit. That just didn't make sense for me like he was like that's what I pictured. Hey should myself doing when I first started but then it didn't end up matching up so and then I changed it and that's when things got real fun so we'll see how this goes and and I think it's going to be even easier to understand and even easier to follow along within you guys. Don't give a fuck so let's get into the topic of the day which is oh. Why does sweat smell bad. This is funny because not only does everyone on the Internet thing about hygiene so I was like super relevant but also like I don't know I'm just curious like it's actually kind of weird like if you really think about it like why like it doesn't smell bad when it first when you first start sweating if you like it smells bad like later and like that just confuses me like does like also like what even is sweat like we need talk about sweat because y'all hygiene is just awful. Oh Man I just don't I haven't showered in years. Fuck you guys fuck. You guys shower literally every day assholes. I've no no one's ever told me I smell bad ever and I have before but like it's never been intentional. It's like if I fucking workout and then I go get coffee in like I like for some reason sweat really hard that day like I'm knocking smell great but then I shower it off and you can fuck and relax relax I shower. I just think it's so fucking unfair that that's the label that you guys put on me. Is that a bad hygiene. It's like every comment on my fucking. INSTAGRAM is like y'all smote at shut the fuck up yes. I do smell that and it's my fucking perfume from centered episodes not sponsored by centered bleep. I would leave out cyber numbers getting but no. I yeah so basically shower but I still I mean. It's still an interesting topic. Why sweat smell bad regardless and one thing I'm GonNa say before we get into this like don't act like don't fucking act like you've never smelled bad before because I know you have so don't be like Oh. 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You actually no before we get into it. Let's talk about the word of the day which is actually sweating fitting. Oh Hi Emma Hi. Oh my God I love it like they can hear you. Now isn't that weird yet so weird because like you've always been here but they never knew yeah and I sounded weird just kind of like laughing in the background. That's me she's here. Okay so sweating is actually the word of the day. Oh you asked what Swat was sweating is actually the secretion of fluids by sweat glands onto the surface of the skin mainly for the purpose of maintaining body temperature with an ideal range interesting. I have very active sweat glands. I think like I sweat a uptown uptown like I will go to an exercise class and I will literally come now and Mike My leggings. It looks like I pissed myself and like Miley. Coal like Sports Bra will like like I like impregnating like milk more on that later but you know what I mean like I just like look fucking like drenched like I sweat so easily also like I eat. My apartment has to be on like sixty five or awesome awesome sweating. It's super weird. I'm very sweaty but I've met a lot of people that just straight up don't sweat and I'm jealous so but I luckily I think because I sweat sweat so much I like eight. I rarely smell bad with sweat like my sweat doesn't normally stop and smell bad also probably cause I shower before would smell bad but yeah I shower not fuck you. I'm so pissed filling every time I'm like. I'm just so defensive about this anyway all right. Well let me start. Let's start breaking this down. Why do I this are guessing making mega. S I remember I talked about this. My Dad wants because we were talking about how it's like why well my dad helps me. Come up with my questions for this podcast. Thanks Dad things change paints anyways he was like why is like why do I not smell that like I literally just sweat so much and I literally don't smell that in my friend in like my friend doesn't smell bad like why did none of us smell bad in and he was like well. Sweat doesn't like smell into tries. I was like that's true and like but like how is that possible and like what is sweat made up of okay because it's like water. It looks exactly like water like is it just water with toxins in way that makes so much sense we. I might have it already okay. Here's my like I just has had to like think out loud for a second now. I think I have my I guess so I think sweat smells bad because sweat is your body exerting basically h. Two O. Out of your pores so that you can regulate your body temperature like if you're hot then it makes you feel colder because the wind hits your sweat and then you feel more cooled off okay anyway but the reason why the sweat smells bad is because in the H. H. Two O. if you will that's being excuse exerted out of your pores. It actually has toxins in it like maybe maybe like bacteria or like toxins. Whatever is toxins are I don't know if that's like junk you know and then when and the toxins slash like bacteria slash whatever when they dry like why would they make smell though like maybe when they dry they like die in like smell like carcass of the toxins that but then toxins were never live Kaelin back to the drawing board like when it dries like maybe it may be no no no okay so the toxins get let out of your pores with the H. Two with water that you sweat out and then once the water and then once in the toxins get into the air like they like float off your skin because the oxygen in the air picks it up and then people smell it okay. I know that was really stretch. y'All all but like can we talk about this like how is that kind of close but not right okay but like we weren't wrong. Why did I get in all of a sudden. I had like a weird vision in my head and I just saw Kylie Jenner like in my hand like I literally close my eyes and I just saw Kylie. Jenner Interleague right in front of my face knows like super fucking weird like I'm really scared like I literally could see her right now. If I had to close my why why am my doing that am I okay. She's not in here Christine. Are you sure to our own my Kylie. I'm scared that was crazy. All like what is having well. I'm also not okay but we'll talk about that during our wind down of this episode anyway. I'm just like a mess well. No I'm not in every episode is just during like to determine like my mental state every single upset okay well. That was wrong so let's try again. Okay maybe we'll. Where did I go wrong. Ma'am you were closed with the bacteria stout. Okay so what if what is sweat sweat water or no like no don't be cheating. Maybe it's water and ammonia salts in sugar. Okay so maybe then. Let's it's just kind of pick up where we left off. Maybe instead of like the bacteria floating in the air the bacteria stays on your skin and when it dries arise on your skin when it dries on your skin it it maybe maybe the bacteria combines with oxygen in the air. Maybe like the bacteria in the oxygen in the air have a reaction that create a a gas that smells bad know what the fuck hung up on the drying aspect of it okay well. Do you know why because I feel like because they feel like it never sweat doesn't smell when I come out y'all or or does it off. Oh but I'm always wearing deodorant and maybe it's just as simple as those. Maybe just as symbols the bacteria reaching the surface of your skin in sitting there and just being damn stanky thank you. Do you WanNa know the answer. Have I tried hard enough. Try One more time. Try One more time. Thank you Jordache for sponsoring this episode of Super Genius. You know when you had a long day and like cooking is just not in the sched- all right. 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Most body odor comes needs so sweat itself doesn't smell o body body odor might occur when bacteria on the skin breakdown acids contained in the sweat produced by the African guidance. Most of the African lions in the skin are located in the groin. The armpits armpits in the skin lesion odor and they're sick limbs. Oh so that's why you need to put on your belly button shape. 'cause I always wondered that actually because I was like so basically like that. Okay that actually is way more complicated than I thought because normally like yeah like no one interesting. Oh my God sweat is okay well. Let's talk about that. was that was like good mythical morning. Let's talk about that. If you know a good north worth mythical morning is well you probably do because like ren link or bay forever but that was like my childhood so keep that in mind anyway that's why that just came out so naturally okay. I'm really tired today and so I'm just kinda ready to close my eyes and talk about me now. You know it's now it is just kind of like the best part of the day we have to talk about science so that I can continue learning or else. I'm just GONNA turn. Super Dumb but talking about me is good to just just keep me self reflecting so I talk about sweating. 'cause I've been just thinking about this this whole entire time 'cause like I. I tend to do work out classes. I don't tend to go to the gym. I don't really liked that so I've dealt with like some crazy sweat like people that I've been next to in my glasses chist. I mean filling the damn room and it's just crazy see how like someone's body can do that. It's also interesting. Everybody's like sweat smells different like like I could probably close my eyes in know who's That's fucking weird. It's true though like with all the people that are close to me in my life where I've smelled their sweat like one time or another because it that happens like I could definitely pick out who sweat that was out of like a group. Do you know what I mean is alley where I really am sorry but it's true. I do have a phobia. This is so funny because everybody would not know this about me so you think he's Mad but what I'm I'm literally. GonNa die and everything like Yo fucking the world also much better now she did. That's what everyone's GonNa. Save on me but like that's GonNa be my legacy but at least I was a good person that smell bad in your eyes. Maybe maybe think about a person I know different came in. I know I smell most of the time so just defensive. I am about it. See this is what happens when you all bowling me. I started getting defensive. I'm never defensive. That was defensive would just anyway. Where was I going a huge huge huge phobia of smelling bad so like I always got my car is in every purse backpack suitcase suitcase like every pocket like I literally Deodorant on me at all times. I it's a huge thing for me like I remember in middle school when I was like I wearing cindy odor and and my mom was like we're GonNa do naturally odor in firs so that you don't get toxins in your but it didn't work you know and I was an athlete as a young child like I've always I was always like being an athlete came so I would sweat like a lot you know and like for those things and I just would like the natural the odor would I'd literally be having a panic attack because I would get settings because I knew that I I was sweating through my natural daughter and then finally begged my mom and I was like listen you gotTa Get me. Dr That works because I am so. This is like constantly haunting me. She was like okay honey. It's said wanted regular and I was like Oh my God. I think he's sleeping. Tom's from Maine is like really the mango flavored like it smells great but like I just can't just can't like when you're working out for like three hours edged like whatever we're doing sport play three hours. I'm sorry but Tom's from Maine dealings earns not GonNa cut it all right then I started using old spice and my body had not the best reaction to it and so I got some burns on my armpits from that and then some bad rashes. There were so itchy. I'd like food bad then I graduated in started using dove that didn't work very well like dad but it was not my favorite and then I started using secret now. What a US and it's pretty good. Thanks great so that's it smells great like it's almost like just also good like I wanna just fug twist the thing up and just go and just fucking eat it because it smells so good but that's my daughter in Germany actually so I think I don't shower. Don't care about my hygiene because last time I checked I I have used in the book. I could tell you about all of them. Which means that. I wear deodorant so I also wear perfume too. I recently been using. I have two that I use. I use the Marc Jacobs Daisy one. That's like pink because it smells like a fucking 'cause it's cute okay and they use the Louis we were talking cactus and I love them and like I know about the names of my perfume. WanNa know why you fucking fuck you because I wear that Cape type and I wash my hair to funding and I watch my armpits also so I was in the shower like two hours ago today came you would know about that because I don't talk about that because I'm saying humble but like like me not talking about my the amount that I shower. He is like I could like. Let you guys now every time I showered in just annoy you but I don't all right because I say and I don't tell anybody when I shower. I just keep it between me in shout okay fuck. You guys anyways so that's like the that's the gist on that. I think we talked about hygiene enough. I think it's a really soft. Can you tell a soft. It's a sore subject for me. Can you tell it's so weird. I'm looking at the camera around like I'm looking at the camera on and I like making contact with the person and make there's people in the room and I'm like looking at the camera so awkward. Listen guys bent to you about how dumb I am so basically I everytime I have like a mental breakdown down or go through a rough patch. You know I like to get more substantial rough patch. I'm talking about like some big. Event happens to me that kind. Ah Destroys me a little bit. I get more ear piercings so every few months I'll get more European so like again few months ago like no like eight months ago or so. I got my doubles pierced and Got Cartlidge one of my college pierced and and then cartilage fill out but the two double stayed and then that was fine for a while and then another tragic event happened to me actually wasn't tragic but it was definitely tough avenue me and then I got my triples pierced and then I got my cartilage repairs anyway so that was Kinda recently that was like whatever like a few months go and I like really sensitive skin and really sensitive ears so I tend to get infected real easily and this has been an issue since the five years old. I'm getting my ears pierced at Clair's days. Okay like I always get infected in part of it is because I sleep on my stomach which means I sleep with my head to the side which means that I wake wake up in. My earring is like it's like embedded in my skin from sleeping on that side of my head and then I wake up the knife to poke get out of my skin yeah so like I'm not doing good with that like I literally wake up every morning. I have to pull my earring out of my ear lobe. It's like like not chill at all but that's kind of where we're at with that. I think I might replace Moore. I need to get different earrings. I WanNa do that right now. Where do you buy hearings like I wouldn't infect like we'll talk about this. After it's gone better as I've gotten older like I have like simply shady hoops in for like you know an hour for like taking a photo or something like that because like instagram is live and like you know it's all I care about and stuff. Maybe after this. I'm GonNa go oh by some earrings from somewhere because I'm really KINDA WANNA spice up my my situation here but anyway and I only wear silver jewelry now for some reason like I'm very OCD like I only wear silver jewelry which is a problem because I only have gold jewellery except for literally the jewelry I'm wearing right now. In recently I've been so into it like I mean my whole new mental breakdown piercing. Being episodes have definitely helped. I always have like you know earrings in at all times and always silver and my nose ring is silver. I love jewelry what is going on and then. I always have my bracelet that I wear. That's a law. Can I have my necklace. That's a matching lock. They were the UNICEF things like if you buy them donated to UNICEF. I thought that was great and I love the song you and then I have a necklace name like I have so much jewelry on on all times what is going on. That's crazy. I didn't even realize that I was a freaking jewelry. Gal but I like love it. I think it's so you totally grow into though because when I was younger I was like you couldn't catch me would jewelry on I can't I'm being sporty when you do when you do sports as a child. You can't wear jewelry so you can wear a necklace because you'll get choked and you hearings because it'll rip. They'll rip out and especially when you're like a gymnast cheerleader. Any of those things like hell. No you are not allowed to have jewelry Laurean so that was why I never did it now. I can't stop so anyway. Send me some cute jewelry ideas on twitter it or something because I would love that because I'm getting into that K. and I'm not too excited about my combo that I have going army now like I just feel like I could do better and I just feel like you guys go with that but lobster at the reason why I brought this up excuse my ears are infected right now and it hurts so bad it hurts so bad like with these headphones on right now like I like to feel aching taking going down my back like it so bad like they hurt so bad and my mom text me like once a day in is like Anna checking up on the ears and I'm like you don't WanNa know honey Hannie. You just don't because they are infected. Is that only WanNa talk about all right guys. Today was a little shorter episode but I thought we had fun. 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Simple Interviewer Training - Part 1 - HOF 2019

Manager Tools

25:34 min | 1 year ago

Simple Interviewer Training - Part 1 - HOF 2019

"Welcome to manager tools this week and next week a special hall of fame presentation of simple interviewer training in two parts dedicated to the group of professionals at Microsoft whom I spent a fantastic day with recently guys. Here's those promise casts. Hope you enjoy him. Welcome manager tools. Simple interviewer training part one. Here we go to these cats answers these questions. How can I train my directs to interview? How do I teach the basics of interview Kendrick interview without being able to vote want to answer these questions? Keep long listening all right mark. Here's a question of the day. What is the most important decision? Managers ever make Da I give you the award award for the day budget budget Let me see no keeping their boss. Happy clearly not golf golf. No hiring is the most important decision that any manager makes because it has ideally long term repercussions for the organization and interviewing is the single most important process around hiring and the vast majority of managers in the world are making hiring decisions without ever having being trained on how to interview. Isn't that just crazy just crazy. Yeah and all the decisions make sense the time but they add up to an enormous weakness weakness for so many organizations so folks the way to avoid that is to start training your racks on howdy interview before they become managers. It's not hard if your manager now. This is so so easy when we walk you through this process. We've got six steps. You'll just say like I could've done that. Yeah it's not hard nothing we're gonNA tell you to do is complex six steps number one. Have your direct interview. People who come in who are going to become their peers. Brief briefed them on the process. You use to assess and screen and interview and decide and the process you use on in those decisions. Have them sit in on interviews. Haven't sit in on what we call. The interview results capture meeting or capture session which happens at the end of the day. Then allow them to interview in practice where they go through an interview but they don't get a vote at the end of the day and the capture meeting and then of course the last step is the training never ends. I tell people all the time Wendy and I've interviewed. Oh Gosh thirty. Forty fifty thousand people between us and we're still learning inning about interviewing. He has an. If you don't have any training at all you can go from knowing nothing to being pretty good pretty quickly by falling some of of our guidance but to be the expert. Let's just like anything else. There's a lot of things when it comes to people and relationships and communication that the high end of it is an and art. And what's funny is when people tell people say and I've said this before about other things that I thought I had mastered. I'd only mastered the basics the science the building blocks the if you don't know anything and nobody ever teaches you when you learn something you feel. Some joy in learning hidden hidden in the hard won hard fought experience of going through it and having an Aha moment going I learned that because nobody taught me I just learned it the hard hard way and then you suddenly realize that as you start learning more about that area that yearly learning the basics and there's a whole nother another level that happens on top of that the art of it and I'm still perfecting my art of of interviewing and some people think I'm good I've learned a couple of basic important certain things and we know there's like twenty five important basic things. I'm glad you're learning them. But it's too bad. Somebody has taught you because if you've been taught those twenty-five things would all been cleared you've known them rather than having to do one hundred interviews to learn them and then you would have spent your time learning learning the art rather than the science rather than the basics. It's a good way. Think about luckily for folks. We're here to learn the hard way they'll have to learn it the way my hi can I did so look guys. I AP have your direct interview for people who are going to become their peers when you have an open requisition for direct act manager tools recommends that your Iraq's interview the candidates just like you do that's a core part of what we call the manager editor tools effective hiring process. We certainly don't want a non trained direct interviewing for the record or we don't want to do not train a direct at all and have them learn how to do it when they're already a manager Holy Toledo. We've gotTA train them somehow beforehand. I know it's obvious but it can't let one of your directs. Become a manager without having trained them on how to conduct a full interview process conduct their own solo interview and make hiring recommendations and hiring decisions. You can't you can't say if Mike My boss and I wanNA promote Danny who works for me and I say to. Mike UNITA needed promote her. She's going to be a great manager. And then Danny gets promoted. And I've never taught her how to interview and suddenly her team grows. Rose and Mike finds out that Demar Danny just know how to interview. Oh yes sorry. We really busy. And we didn't have much interviewing so I'd allow myself not only alias. Mike now disappointed in. We're Danny is east disappointed in me because I didn't do my job and as we've said before all too often there are individual contributors in the world who get promoted to be manager. Their previous manager help them get the job directly or indirectly with a lot of work or not a lot of work depending upon. How good a manager there were didn't do the necessary and requisite preparation person gets promoted and they do poorly in the next job and they're the ones who struggle? They're the ones whose careers damaged. And it's their old manager's fault it's not right now look guys were talking about training. You're directs here on how to interview. But we're not talking about the kind of interviewing training that. Hr might give you or your company. Hr does some form of interviewing training. There's no question that. HR plays an important role in hiring and your mileage may vary folks your hr organization may be different but typically hr if they offer interviewing training is around legal issues. Like discrimination equal employment illegal questions and the process H. Argos through which usually involves cutting resumes and telephone screening and offers and how they make offers news or how they're the one that gets to make the offer as opposed the higher manager which we disagree with but in some cases that's the way it is companies also if there are benefits and compensation issues choose to be discussed how. HR's involved in that right. That's all necessary and important stuff right and we have opportunities. Each of your direct should go that training. We know that information. Hey look if. Hr Does interviewing training at your company. Be thankful tip your hat to the HR people and go and then send your drax because you're a lot better off than a lot of companies who don't have any training at all but don't assume that HR has taught them everything they need to know on how to interview it's found lightly. HR is going to teach them how to develop questions how to probe based on an answer or how to decide whom to hire. Let me give you a perfect example. One of my favorite examples about interviewing that just ought to scare people if in fact it's true for them. One of the things I mentioned is. HR typically for good reasons wants managers to understand as an example that there are illegal legal questions in interviews now. Hr doesn't actually mean that but that's the way many people who are listening to this. This guidance heard this and said Oh. Yeah they're illegal questions actually folks. There are not in the US and Canada and a lot of places to but we check the law and these two places there are no illegal questions. You may ask any question you wish you simply cannot use their answer to discriminate upon a discriminate eight against them based on what you learn so a classic example would be stupidly asking a female candidate. ooh Do do you have plans for having children the next couple years the idea being of course if this woman is GonNa want pregnancy leave she won't be as useful. This is dumb but there are men who think think it. She's not going to be as useful so I won't offer her because she won't give me as much work in the next couple of years so therefore that question about do you intend to have kids or are you pregnant somehow somehow is an illegal question. No it's not a legal question. It's a stupid question. It's a wrong question you'll probably get in trouble for it but it's not illegal. They can use it as some evidence. Not Proof evidence that you're discriminating based on that right if you don't hire them so so hr says don't ask the question. That's just an aside folks if if you believe that there are such things as illegal questions that tells you how little you actually know about interviewing and I hate to say it because I I really like good. HR people but they're an awful lot of HR people in the world who think that there are illegal questions and they're not if they're not teaching teaching you that an HR makes this distinction. You're lucky to have a really outstanding. Hr Department and get everything you can from them. Have a friend there as we often say and ask them to guide you every step of the process because that's priceless. Okay when you interview candidate for a role reporting directly to you a direct reporting role think of all of your rex is having a role potentially in so far as your total number directs allows you to do a role role in that process. It is not just you if you have eight directs. Or let's say you have six directs and you had enough enough time in a day you and all six of your tax would interview. I can't it affects. Why not have them give you some Input about how they think this person will do and also have them learn before they have to trust their own judgment about about hiring recommendation. They're gonNA make their boss. Depending upon what level an open requisition allows somebody to be to be making decisions that very well what about managers who were concerned that their directs. None of them have ever been interviewer before. Yeah well you know you gotTa start somewhere. If nuttier directs. Ever been an interview. Or that's okay to jump start this process videotape two interviews. That you yourself conduct and then direct every one of your direct to watch the taped interviews. Take some time in a staff meeting. Cover the high points. Tell them why you ask the questions. You did why you interacted the way you did and so on show them the basic process which will talk about here in a minute. That at least gets them started. And if that were the case if somebody said Mark I WANNA go one step further than Mike. I have to hire two people. I have a brand new team. None of them have rented for two okay. And by the way you've been interviewing you got a team in place you hired all of them all by yourself okay. Continue doing what you've done for the next couple of candidates bring them in an only you interview them video taped the interviews asked the candidates. Do you mind if I videotape this. I'm not going to videotape. You just GonNa videotaped me. It's going to be over your shoulder looking at me because I want to use this as a training device for your if your if your candidate says no I prefer you didn't I would say well. Okay that's fine and then I would interview them and immediately Italy ruled them out because they're clearly not a team player and then I would say okay. Everybody washed these two videos. You got a week to spend forty five minutes. It's watching this video taking some notes and so on and come to our staff meeting and I'll tell you what's GonNa Happen. And then the next time he brings some people in for this role. Let's say you're still hiring hiring you have everybody do a practice interview. They actually interviewed the candidate. And you tell them you're an interview. I'm going to give you questions and so on you're going to have have to interview. You're going to have to probe you're GONNA have to get into the details. I'll be talking to each one of you individually about how you did and providing guidance and so on and even though they're interviewing you're still the only one with the vote so that's a way to jumpstart this entire process one part them interviewing to jumpstart start the entire process. We're talking about the fact is though Mike you agreed the chance that nobody on my team has ever interviewed. Before as an interviewer to be clear is pretty small. Probably that sad. They certainly haven't done it the way we recommended. Because the average way that people interviewing today is amateurish when you consider how important hiring is to the sustainability of the firm. You're in if you could rank order the level of skill versus the level of importance of the various things that managers do the single biggest gap between the average skill level and the average average importance level would be interviewing no question about it. On a scale of one to Chen. The average manager is to interviewing on a scale of one term in terms of importance. Everyone is nine. You can't get any bigger folks and if you're listening you e if he category don't get sad get excited because is if you raise that from a two to a seven you too you too when you start raising the way you interview you become more confident about the interview so you don't worry about. The mistakes are making so on because everybody makes mistakes and every interview. I still do it. Something else happens. You send a better message the candidates if a candidate is told no they'll believe that the no is legitimate because of the strength of your process and they won't argue as much and if they're told yes they will feel special because they know the process you put them through was more robust more clear ear and had higher standards and other places there. That's absolutely right. Yeah and they'll come to work ready to get going because they know there's high standards. Yeah and we talk about this. We we've talked before about raising the bar high when you interview the purpose of interviewing. We're not gonNA talk about that today. Any great detail but the purpose of interviewing is to we know the reason for that is. If you don't have that in your head you start looking for reasons to say yes. And as long as you're looking for reasons to say yes you will be able to find them and the moment you do that. It's super easy to just not interview because you'll find all kinds of reasons. Say Yes to everybody. You don't even need interviewing just start. Aren't making offers randomly. especially you feel desperate to get somebody in the door which is a bad place to start folks all right so I was was. Have you directs interview for pure hires. Okay and the second. One was briefed them on the process and standards that you use. I just want to say one more thing about the the previous obvious point. Mike guys if you're the only one interviewing even if you don't follow the rest this guidance you've got to start including other people you've got to have other voices you have to develop your people and you want other voices particularly if your team is struggling if your team is struggling and you're continuing to interview the exact same way you need fresh voices in the interview results capture meeting you need your people learning how to evaluate people find out if there's a big gap between what you think and what your team things. I see that happen all the time that we're hiring. The same people in one wonder why we don't get different results. Well definition of insanity. Yeah okay sorry. briefed him on the process standards. The generally accepted rule among effectively managed organizations in the world is that eighty percent of the development. You do in your career the way you develop skills happens through your work through your tasks your job. As opposed to to internal training education external training that kind of stuff eighty percent of it okay. It's not like people do their jobs and then go away to learn their learning every day. Okay too many of us as managers. I've certainly done. This failed to think through some simple things we can do do. That doesn't take hours of planning. Certainly after this cast you'll agree with that to both teach art Iraq's and to set them up to learn more effectively sometimes what that means is direct. Don't learn a lot of what's obvious to us because in our your mind everything we're doing is connected. We're knowledgeable bought all the steps in the process. We didn't really brief them on the process. They don't really know what we're doing. And you step but we we think mistakenly that they're having the same experience we are which they're not but they don't have the context for things. Context makes such a difference. I was on three or four phone calls today and I said well it depends on the context the answer you're asking a subtlety and that is driven by context so but we mean in this situation as before anyone on your team gets to actually run an interview themselves. They need to understand. The entire process candidate goes through from being known to the company to getting hired a process over briefing. Even if it's just a desk side chat guys and you don't have to to prepare slides for them if you don't want to but even just a desk side chat will give them the context. They need to understand what's going on. And what their role will be both now and potentially in the future so we recommend you prepare a simple briefing. It's a fifteen minute agenda item. I'm an upcoming staff meeting folks. If you're a licensee with show notes for this guidance there'll be an additional document associated with this with this show show so that you've got the bones of this briefing already prepared. We're trying to make it easy for you. I had the guy told me once. I can't prepare briefing because I don't like powerpoint and I can't remember where but somebody just sent me a list of a bunch of things that somebody famous. Oh it was some Marine general and they said Said POWERPOINT may want to quote number nineteen was powerpoint. Makes US stupid. I saw the idea that a briefing has to include. POWERPOINT is ludicrous. That said if powerpoint is a standard it's fine. We'll prepare a powerpoint for you and even if you don't use the powerpoint it'll give you the outline of the things you cover. Okay so what do you do. What's in the briefing you you start with the screening of resumes probably the HR does I you tell them that well? HR is going to screen some resumes. And then they're going to send a subset of the hundreds of resumes they get for the job or that are available or that they know about they send a subset of that to me and they call and then I call then and maybe. HR depending upon. How your company does it maybe? Hr does some phone screens. Maybe you phone screen the same people they do and you both have to agree or maybe HR screens from the hundred one hundred from the thousand resumes. They get down to one hundred and then they take one hundred and do phone screens of twenty and they recommend five and then you do phone screens of those five walked them through how you phone screener candidate. It's pretty simple. It's not rocket science if you're in the middle of the process you don't have to make this briefing a standard one but talk about what you're seeing if you've already started the process and you want to include somebody say hey. This isn't just a Santa briefing. I want to explain to you. Hear the resumes that HR saw here the resumes that I got. Here's why I chose this one versus that one and this is not an hour you take out of your day and if you're smart you'll spend twenty minutes on the desk side chat and you'll have to of your correct there by the way if a direct says to you yeah. I'm not all that sure on all that interested in interviewing people it's OK well I can't really we force you but then separately. You WanNa have a conversation with them and we'll we'll provide guidance on this at some point my but you realize that you really can't be leave very much more important to the company than you are right now if you're not willing to interview if you're not willing to contribute voice to the sustainability of this company long-term long brassware gone then you're essentially saying you're stuck forever and ever and ever well the other the other piece of of it has if somebody's not willing in to participate in interviewing potential team members like what does that say about her what they think about the team that you don't they don't care it's like okay and Net and that's good enough to tell somebody good by in my opinion. Yeah I would probably say it's something along the lines of if I had been having problems with my aside and say I wouldn't give them feedback. I just you say that to me was a nail in your coffin here. You're telling me your honest you're telling me don't care about the team you're telling me you're not willing to do extra to work and no offense a year from now. Your job is going to grow five or ten percent and you're telling me you're not willing to grow with it and it's just in my head it makes me think there's not a place for you here in the future and I'd rather there be a place in the future Phil by guy that has a place two years from now I love you. I want you to stay but I don't want you to stay if you're if you don't agree agreed. The same basic tenets and principles that we have here in the organization. And you're telling me you don't what they mean when they say that they're not comfortable doing because they don't feel they have the skill to do which you may find out if you know if you have relationship you're gonNA find out lots of different stories we can. We can address that UPN uncomfortable. But but I'm not okay with view saying the standard for weather or not. I WanNa do something as my level of comfort because the company doesn't say all employees will be comfortable at all time in fact when you read some of the buzzwords that people talk about collaborative in order to be collaborative. There can be times. You'RE GONNA have to be uncomfortable. Sometimes it's more comfortable to be angry at a colleague right then then to collaborate with him. It's actually uncomfortable to have to go to a meeting with somebody that you just had an argument with. But that's what collaboration is trust. Trust meaning meaning means at times extending. Trust someone when you know you could do better yourself and so it makes you uncomfortable. But you're not an unlimited resource so discomfort. Burt is arguably built in. Baked into every job and a person who only wants comfort is not a part of the organization in the future in most places places so walk them through what a typical interview day will be like for the candidates. Okay if you have a day already planned walked them through the details also the plan. Okay if you've already got one scheduled for this week and by the way folks I'm talking about this stuff at a fairly high level We get into the nitty gritty details of exactly exactly how we recommend you do every step of this effective any of your conference. We recommend you come just like are effective manager conference in our effective communications conference. We have them. Oh Gosh ten or fifteen scheduled this year all over the US overseas as well so explain to your to the candidate who will be interviewing for how long long how long you've chosen to give to interview. Show them the interview questions you've prepared explain. How standard interviews standardized standardized interviews work better than Nonstandard Abuse K.? Explain why the purpose of an interview is to say no. I don't know for some of you who you may have listened a lot. You're like wow. This is very different than what I know. Yep Sorry and you learn a lot at a very high level here. Explain to your directs that the output of interview is a higher or. Don't hire recommendation. Explain to them how the interview results capture meeting works at the end of the day. Explain all of that and again licensees. Lucky you we've already got powerpoint presentation prepared for you that you you can modify and use desk side or in front of your entire team. Do they say everyone that's it. We'll see you next week. Have a great one. This podcast was produced by manager. Tools manager tools. Creates actionable guides every single week to receive Steve Additional Materials VR newsletter and to find products for situations you may face as a manager or professional go to www dot manager tools dot com search tools on facebook twitter and liked it they.

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The Power of Engagement with Workvivo CTO, Joe Lennon

IT Visionaries

44:44 min | Last month

The Power of Engagement with Workvivo CTO, Joe Lennon

"When you're six years old and your dad says, take these discs and reformat the hard drive to this computer. You know you're destined for a career and technology. Those were the words Joe Lennon heard in his youth and today Joe is the CO founder and CTO of work though a company that is helping employees communicate with their peers while staying actively engaged with their employer joe joint it visionaries to discuss how the platform assisted companies in the midst of the covid nineteen pandemic and he explains why employee retention is a fight companies didn't see coming and how it affects the future of work enjoyed this episode. It visionaries is created by the team at Michigan Dot Org brought to you by the salesforce customer three sixty platform the number one cloud platform for digital transformation of every experience. Build connected experience, empower every employee and deliver continuous innovation with the customer at the center of everything you do learn more at salesforce dot com slash platform. This podcast is created by the team at mission dot Org. Welcome to another episode of it visionaries. I, mean, phase on host of it visionaries and today we have special guests Joe, what is going on and not much in really really great to be on the on the show every looking for having a chat. Yeah. Me Too. So we're GONNA get into while you're building a work vivo and your background. So it started how did you get certain technology? Sure. Yeah. So I've been really into computers and technology. In general reasons I was a kid my parents would always encouraged my interest in computers Memories that I had an Amstrad computer in my bedroom am I remember typing all the Basic Code that was listed in the back of the manual for that, trying to get these really primitive games to work. About six or seven years old at the time. I also remember Tony when I think my father bought a magazine for for Computer magazine for me and his has a like computer magazines. All the time David had a floppy disk attached to the front office with the Demo for the Game Aladdin based on the Disney movie of the same time out remember installing that demo on our family computer which I believe it was like three eight, six SX computer by in those days unfortunately, the floppy disk bash came with that magazine had a virus. And I remember Mike My Grandfather who is also very interested in in technology and computing him and my my father trying to repair the damage that this fires at dome to to our computer mental typically couldn't be recovered. So my dad one day gave me a box sending up box was a alleged collection of. Dos and MS DOS and windows three point one installer discs and essentially told me a son go away reformat the hard drive on computer going reinstall those operating systems. So that was pretty much. My first introduction to computing. I remember his while I was might nick my first experience with the Internet was actually on my dad had a may be m thinkpad laptop is black and white monochrome screen Aminat had a fourteen point four K. PCMCIA modem with us and I remember using access the Internet I'm using it was like netscape navigator to back in the day when I would have been sued I would've gone there. Instead of you know in my youths doing lots of somewhat interesting things like. I actually started a web whole free levels, things artists using a reseller web hosting accounts. That I was fortunate enough against that'll put up at one point but I remember it actually one morning I woke up and. The whole thing had been shot down over Nice because one of my users decided that would be a great idea to upload some photos. They shouldn't have to at account, and so that was my my entry and exit from adding a free web hosting service, and later on I, go on to start a web design company wild. When is about fifteen years? Old Making some pocket money doing websites for local businesses when local businesses didn't really have websites. So I think it was pretty much inevitable that I would go on to university to study information systems and technology, and then you know that I would go on from there to to work on sheets house. Yeah. That is a real when when you're when your dad says. Reformat the hard drive. You know you're you're in it for me. Young. Age. Absolutely It definitely hasn't been my last experience reinstalling operating systems something that's almost became a hobby for me in my in my youth. Thank you know installing different operating systems and. Getting experience with the likes of Lennox and freebies operating systems are also. taught me early To do something that I would go on to do quite a bit in the years after. So flash forward to today tell us a little bit of bow. Work Vivo. Sure. So essentially work feeble is a platform that helps nations to better connect with their employees. So it's a it's a communication path. But it's a little bit different to other forms in that we both work vehicle not necessarily to. any particular problem around communication itself but in fact, to try and help organizations with employee engagement. So myself and my co founder John Googling, we come from a background of working in the the human capital Management Nhra space. We would have had a lot of experience building platforms in that space. I'm going to seen a trend over the past number of years where the focus for companies was shifting from in the past being around things like performance management where companies were really focused on trying to get the most out of their employees to a world where talent management became the focus where it was about trying to retain the the best employees. If they have the business, I think one of the the real trends that we saw in the build to. To starting more feeble was the focus on employee engagement and that's radio. Think something that has been an issue for organizations. You not is not a recent thing. It's definitely something that's organizations have struggled with for for decades now but came has been a real realization in recent years bash in order to get the most of your employees and to retain the best people you need to guess engagement rice. So we focused on that as our core mission was to train how organsations with engagement and as we went on that journey we discovered. One of the biggest challenges with this was through communications and that communications and in many ways was an issue for organizations in many different ways not ultimately led us to build where fever. So in terms of what works evil is know, essentially it's a social platform dash people are very familiar with but applied in a business context. So using our platform employees can do things like read polls, contents, they can you. Like share and engage interact with content in very much the same way that they do outside of the working environment but they can also do things like recognize others through recognize their peers rather through things like shoutouts they can link pulse to company goes in values create community spaces, published company articles in events much more. A lot of our customers would also use the platform as a social internet with centralized access to. Things like a people directory applications, Document Management Systems I. Am all built into this into the platform really like while we work originally to connect employees with the organization in in new interesting ways, and so as CTO tell me a little bit about your role are you building product? Are you working on like internal technology systems, Bitta both? Yeah absolutely. So I was reading of a Jew aspect of my role in terms. Of Being Co, founder of the company also being the CTO. So as a CO founder, a big part of my role is in defining the strategy and vision for the company as a whole along with my co founder Jon, Gruden as a CTO primarily overlook all things, products and technology. So that into everything from managing the product roadmap and also engineering teams but I'm also a coder heart and I still contribute code today. Although. It is becoming increasingly difficult as we grow as a letter responsibilities are ramping awesome wash but I think it's it's almost in my DNA to be colder still always probably contributed in some shape or form ham into the future one of the things I, suppose like that I'd say about the role. It's is really exciting because you get the opportunity to work on cutting edge technology in tools every single day you know. So we're worshiping features in the products that are leveraging the type of technology that wasn't accessible to stack up like us not so long ago. So it's it's really being able to work on a product in this environment is refreshing Very, enjoyable for somebody who's very technical nature yen. So as it relates to some of the like employees technology and things like that you've been. Head of technology before other companies, you've obviously started other companies. How's it different this time around hurry how you approached it differently yes. Great Question. I think I've been pretty. Vocal about my past experiences with startups and starting businesses of until this point I mean one of the things. I definitely experienced in previous roles is some challenges around the company that you're trying to build on the approach that you're taking to that. So in a previous venture I would I would have tried to tackle a problem in an industry that I didn't have a lot of experiencing I would have tried to talk lead in a space which was consumer facing, which has all sorts of challenges that I. Again don't have a lot of background and that all created massive challenges for even getting up business off the ground I. Think when when we started this business, it was really clear to me. Firstly, that was going to start work with somebody who I knew for a very long time somebody who had a lot of Charleston? I'm we myself and John My co-founder we we know each other quite a long. We've a very good understanding of what each other's strengths and weaknesses are. We, complement each other very much in that regard. So John Rings a lot of very strong customer facing pedigree to his role and Ozzy I bring the kind of product and technology expertise and it's it's odd. Combination. That seems to work with the effectively retain going into this opportunity. It was always one of the things that we knew we wanted to do was to leverage not just the knowledge on the experience that we have within our own specific strengths. But also in terms of the experience that we had with regards to myself John would've worked for many years in a company called core HR, which is a price hr payrolls offer company. Now see we learned. A lot about. People Technology. Through throughout those years and we knew I knew particularly from my own experience in the previous stacked up Dash, I wanted to apply you know something that I had a lot of experience knowledge off rather than trying to. Learn about a new industry in the new Marakesh on at the same time with straight to stack of business I. Think you know those those are some of the things I think would would've taken into this particular opportunity. It's funny actually went when we started the company. So one of the challenges I think that probably face was was actually deciding to start the company in the first place. So as I mentioned I was reading just off the back of trying to save the music business technology, which you even say that unload son's like a bad idea. Why around where John was actually looking forward to some time off his family after pretty hectic few years at the at the helm of core hr, which he went through acquisition and were pretty rigorous twelve months after that of honey over to new owners in salon but without I mean. We've known each other as except for many years retake all night long after we met up to decided to start a company together. One of the other challenges I think was was actually exciting to work on. So I know a lot of founders you start off by waking morning with an epiphany of this is what I'm going to do, and this is the problem that I'm going to solve and it genuine. He wasn't actually like that for us. I mean we we. Decided to start a company B before we decided we were going to do and you know. So when we set out with to choose our, feel you know we didn't have a name for fable you know the name came a little later on in the journey. But while we did do was we sat down a number of founding principles dash in both of us agreed on very strongly that we wanted to apply to our business. So that range everything from you know what? was going to exist in two what type of customer we were going to position ourselves towards right down to the type of culture that we wanted to create and. Whether we wanted to build a complete up required investments are what are we wanted to bootstrap, and all of that you know I can say right now you know some of the things that we decided about particular moon tying have definitely evolved in an unchanged over overtime as as the company's grown Bob. I think you know someone does farming principles reading guided us to essentially focusing on something that we knew we could build a really good product in in that space and. I think it's worked pretty well for us and so taking a step back for the platform you know would, what's the scope of of problem right now with day you're solving like what are people currently doing because we've talked a little bit about internal. COMMS on this show and it seems like perhaps you know maybe afterthought is is a bit. Too, extreme, but it seems like especially as Cova got brought on, it seemed like employee internal communications was definitely not an area that was a primary focus for a lot of leaders, and now obviously is at the forefront. Sure. No. Absolutely, I, think one of the challenges complete that you know as as you just said it previously, like Internet communications solutions were definitely something or read important for a business, but they aren't necessarily critical to their primary function as has company especially. In the nation's where the physical office based scenario was was still very strong. I think you know what we've definitely seen particularly over the last six months as a renewed focus on internal communications not just for the sake of actual having communications platform you know communications with a purpose and I think many companies are going through a process even right now where they're really trying to identify a what the purpose of different types of communication actually are right. So I think the. Landscape within technology right now is pretty fast and there's a lot of different vendors doing a lot of very different things for us. What we've seen is that really boils down to remain of communication. So you have your like Ron Right. Now, if you've you've got your your video and audio communication over technologies like Zoom, and obviously that's playing a very pivotal role in the oven companies to continue to operate in a in a remote world, you have your instance real time communications. Platforms. Like slack where somebody needs to have a conversation with somebody in real time it's synchronous. It's in the moment and there's some really great piles lack of they're. Doing really great job of. What we have seen coming maybe a little bit more is on how to get important messaging across that important across the business out there to all employees in a way where the messaging takes on a little bit more meaning than maybe you in an in the moment communications channel Mike Zoom call are like on channel, and that's something that we found that were evil has really sat well into its that third space of communications, which is really around the type of content. Bash reaches further across the organization and lives on for a little bit longer than that f America contents like video and. So we're seeing, you know we call it like a Trifecta of communication tools being really important for for companies not just as they navigate this crisis in days you know as as on from the position, we're Raymond into hopefully the the future so I to get under the hood a little bit. How do you build this platform short? So the Murphy will platform as a communications platform that we have built suffers a service products. So essentially, we have organizations of every shape and size using work to deliver effective communication organization. So we use a framework called Larva at the back end of our products. And we actually writer Front End Web and mobile applications using react and and react native. We also have a collection of desktop clients so for Windows Mac Annex, which we've built using electrons so. Again as a startup. One of the kind of important things for us is that we're able to leverage technology to target multi-platform in a way that doesn't require us to have a very large team and we've been reading. You'll fortunate to be able to use technologies like this to target. You'll so many different NGOs, our clients in a without having to invest too heavily in having separate teams for all these different platforms from an infrastructure perspective. You know we we run on aws and we have done since day one and it's a game changer. For US obviously, in Vivo but I mean I've use aws an undertone vendors for many years now and it's really enables. Off To achieve pretty incredible things from a scale ability and from a functionality perspective Fash, you know if you look not to fire a goal, they just would have been well beyond scope for complete like us. So like within more feeble were supporting large enterprise customers for their communications needs more able to do that really effectively without having the the traditional capital investment requirements such, you would have had to below two data centers and so on. Because we're able to leverage things like aws. So that's kind of a free high level view of like how bill fever. Obviously, we've got a great team of engineers. Who are working on the products as I mentioned already I'm colder myself and I still contributes myself from from an engineering perspective. I mean we're we're we're constantly shipping you new features in a product of persecution. I make it more useful for customers from A. Technology perspective mention earlier crash. It's great to be working on a product like this because you get exposed to some really interesting technology and one example I guess, dot is a feature that we've just shift or first version of recently, which is our livestream feature. So again, as I mentioned, you were worse at a pretty small company end building something as highly functional streaming feature is a major challenge for me like ourselves, but we've been able to leverage technology to do this. And you know the Andrews Olives is that. In spite of our size, we we have a live streaming video technology as part of our farm. Now Dash Con, you support to one million people viewing at any given moment entitlements you got some sub second latency. So it's like Super Super Low latency and you know we've had some really great feedback from from the first customers have voted to Serie D excited about about that. But yeah, I mean, it's it's really interesting not just comfortable. It's space to be part off because you know it's it's continuously evolving changing and the expectations of not just our customers. But of the employees working in our customers is constantly evolving and changing as well. You know I think you don't have to. Back. To have a world where the idea that you'd have an enterprise social network with you know live broadcast functionality using a major companies would have even been attained but you know now the pace of change of expectations of users is now people working within these large organizations almost expect bash you know there's going to be the type of platform available to them to communicate with their colleagues, and so you know as you're building the product, how do you look at like internal employee technologies? What sort of things do you all leverage to make sure that your team which is a growing team? As you mentioned has everything they need to work? Yes. Sure. Soul I think you know I heard somebody. Recently used the phrase drinking your own champagne, right. So it I think traditionally people used the affair Faradise. Friendly's praised like dog fooding for right, which is basically to mean that we use our own technology for and the purpose of. Delivering an employee experience or employee's right. So we we use heavily internally, but we also use you know a whole suite of utter other tools. Some of them I mentioned already dash. Fever compliments really really well. So the likes of Zoom obviously use pretty much exclusively now for having video conversations with each other and having team meetings in Salon, we're heavy users of slack and were feeble as well. So you know Oliver Chat Conversations would happen in slack and. We've been a long admire of theirs but rights on through to I. Mean you know even even if we look before like the pandemic broke, we've the tools that we were using before. That have really enabled us to kind of shift gears into this new leg fully remorse world's easily. So I mean because where you know workout native I, mean we we started our company in two thousand seventeen. So pretty much every tool and every piece of technology that we're using exists in the. Townhouse on since day one. So for us, it wasn't it wasn't like there was a big major shift that we needed to do to move technology around or to start embracing cloud or anything like that. We were able to just say to the team k everyone just bring your laptops home and start working from home until we figure out what what we need to do going forward and to be honest it just it just really works quite well. So like from a product development perspective. We use to like it hub use tools like clubhouse for managing issues and tickets in. Salon. Whole. Host about are you know really great cloud based off forms to do everything from testing products to deployment to to govern feedback consoling as well and what about you know educating retaining tech talent? How do you think about you know building building your team? Obviously, technology talent is always a premium. No you're based in Ireland. So little different from from some of our other guests we've had on here. So how do you look at retained talent especially in this new? Remo workout world. Yeah. So I think I think this is GonNa to things that folks on there. So the first is like how how we worked to try and retain Thailand also, you know how we tried to ensure that you know that the people within our company are continuously developing in. Embracing new technology and everything else that goes with bats so I think when I look at it with guys are trying to retain the best people ultimately I think people really just want to be passionate about their work. You know they want to feel like they're part of something bigger not just that they're showing up to work every day and then waiting for their paycheck at the end of the month. So I think one of the most important things that any organization can do in in an effort to train retain people is actually give people really interesting and challenging work to have drive their passion. Don't get me wrong. We all have to do things that we don't enjoy from time to time. You know that's just part of working life, but I think as a Is really important to ensure that people are both joining and also getting satisfaction out of their work. Otherwise, they're never going to feel a strong enough connection in order to stick around in the long run I think as well like for companies companies needs to probably better understanding I think there's definitely been a shift in this in in recent years to better understand that talent management is is really a two street. So I think traditionally you know the process for companies around employee talent management has been around continuously proving that the employees are still. Value. Value to the company that they work for these days is as important if not more important for the employer to prove their value to the employees to continue to to keep them, you know not just interested in engage, but also to keep them working at that company because it's so much easier for people to to move jobs these days that am I think it's really know Sean that focus for companies that they need to be mindful of this I think you know if you look even in the not too distant recent past. Comey's of use mechanisms like the corporate ladder to creation element of prestige around things like job titles and a person's position within an organization. But I think this is becoming increasingly less and less important for people. Today people want to work in a place stash better represents their own personal values they want to work for a company that they feel proud to represent. They want to work somewhere where they feel that that company is actually contributing positively to the world and. We've hired a number of people. Recently, we've obviously interviews, Alirza, number of people, Firdaus roles, and what's been really interesting has been how you know when we asked people why they want to work at work feeble they say very often that it's because of. Not just what you know our company's values, errands and and everything like that. Not The opportunity that that's in front of them it's what our product does. Underwater Product is trying to achieve the company's Dash and that user users or software an boys don't you know the fact that they are already working in companies where they see this as a big problem and they see a product like ours NC. s solution to that problem forties companies they want to be part of a solution Rotterdam compared to the problem. So I think you know in many ways it can be difficult for. All in particular to introduce the level of organizational change requires to shift their focus in response to this but I do think companies are realizing that doing so is. Optional I think than a pack of that becomes about you know nurturing people's Tilin sons, enabling things like upscaling and so on and I think you know one of the things I've seen in my experience. I think it's the same globally. One of the things that's probably most important is to nurture people skills in a way that suits their own personal learning style. So you know we have people in our organization who are members of the YouTube Generation Gino. They learn everything that they know from video content. We also have team members who are a little bit moral school than prefer old fashioned books. Hand and enjoy having subscription to something like safari books online from from a Riley ammunition competed. From Way we've actually sponsored its key member to go do an MBA because she's taking on a more managerial role, and that's ultimately where she wants to take her career in the future. So I think it's recognizing that people learn in very different ways and Have different ninety styles and accommodating this I. Think for us in particular as a start up I think it's it's quite easy for us to be very hands on with helping you know the team to stay up today Asians you'll keep informed about emerging technology. So No, I personally will regularly see you know a new premium course launch on some technology that we're. Using or indeed some technology that were maybe not even using right now and I'll go by a team license for non share it with the team you know not everybody may be interested in it, but some people will be moved. Find that they learn something new that they can apply in Murphy Vo on the back of a so everything's ample is. Just recently bought licenses for our mobile developers on a course that teaches emot- swifty Y, which is a newer declarative approach rebelling IOS APPs. Now, we don't currently use fifty-one fever but that that isn't the point that doesn't really matter I guess by Understanding Alternative Technologies Better in a we will know if we are continuing to choose the right tools for the job. And should we ever need to use something else this will put us in a position to do so and the last thing I thought I'd say on this topic I guess is that might experience is definitely being that people learn best by doing. So again, it comes back to that kind of interesting work providing interesting projects that leverage emerging technology for me is. The best way that people can get up to speed with that type of technology nowhere very fortunate and we're fever that we get to do a lot of this in our main product but I think something that can be used for other companies something that we do ourselves as the concept of a developer, all sites and one of the things that we're really. Excited about restarting polls covert and something that we may end up just doing digitally in the coming months as long that we call four zero, four developer, not phone day, which is where essentially the developer, the development team in more fetal disappears for a day and we collaborate on a completely different projects to what we would normally do at work. So this is typically Something that will allow us to try out some new technology or some framework that we're not using right now, and you'll see how it works learn about us and. In many cases we end up bringing that technology and applying it within a work project on the light. oftentimes, we'll also use this as a way to try and give back so. Local charity we work with them on a development project bashing, oh, maybe they don't have the budget to go off and commission an agency to go and vote for them. So we can. We can help them with bash by working on a project like that. So I think that's pretty much what I think on that one. So what's next for Work Vivo? Would he got in the hopper? What's what's exciting? ooh. Yeah, it's some. It's. It's a really really interesting time for us. I think you know one of the like bits of news that we would have broken in the not too distant past was that we we raised A. Sixteen million dollar series a round of investments and so that's obviously. Really gives us domination to grow our business from where we are right now to becoming one of the leading global players in in communications software I think there's some really exciting times ahead where currently in the process of Builder Team Ozzy. As you mentioned restarted I'm here in Ireland. Our team no expands into into the. US. Whilst the number of people working in the United States and will be continuing to grow to team internationally as well in the year ahead like from a product perspective, we've a lot of exciting technology in the works. We've actually just recently ships something that may be of particular interest here a new feature that enables companies to host an internal podcast on Murphy. Vote slowing the things that's been really interesting to see especially over the last number of months is that companies are really looking for new ways to to reach their their employees and honestly podcast is not something that's necessarily you know new technology but I think it's the company's embracing as for is an internal communications channel is definitely something that's not something that you see very often. So we've built it's Interesting. podcasting feature which allows companies who do one of two things. So for some companies Dale, they're big enough that they have the they have their own internal podcasts maybe even most beloved them. Amazon will have a directory of those that are accessible only internally or other companies will have their own public podcasts that they want people to be able to to browse in listen to. They navigate work Vivo and in order companies don't have their own podcasts bought. They want to essentially make a directory of industry relevant podcasts available to their to their team. So we've been able to come up with a solution with Murph evil that enables companies to do all of those things whether it be importing existing public podcasters like this one from there s feed or in. UPLOADING audio files and metadata around a podcast directly into work fever and hosting there, and for internal consumption who makes that's that's one example as mentioned you know we we've already shipped a of our life streaming feature which re excited about we've done some really cool integrations recently as wild with slack. But soon, see can now broadcast and host the resume Webinar directly from where feebles. So you know this has been really taken off very well by some of our customers who have a large part of their business where. They're not your typical zoom user so. Often, when you have the non-desk based employees who are out in the fields and aren't necessarily big technology users and you want to have a Webinar with them, there goes users are using work even when they're mobile's on there on the on the mobile devices, you oftentimes are not necessarily using zoom or using zoom. So by being able to integrate that experience with work, opened up those webinars to a much larger percentage of the of the organizations that's been really cool and yeah there's never a dull moment that work evil. We're always we're always working on something new and exciting and Yeah that's something. Taking a peek into your crystal ball here. What do you think the future of work is looking like? Post pandemic and in house technology going to change with trends. Are you excited for? Yes. So I, think this is obviously one that's really hard to predict because. So much of depends on you know when we actually reached that can destination of like when the pandemic ended right which nobody really knows Wayne are if that's going to happen right now. So I think it's almost like the holy grail that will get to a world where to pandemic no longer exists I think particularly interesting to me is held the shift to remote work has really evolved as. Time has gone by over the past five months. You know I think I i. I think there was almost a real of energy around this. I think people who haven't historically worked remotely really enjoy being able to work from home and the not having to deal with everyday stresses of traffic can the school run and everything like widows in just getting to the office every day and back and I think a lot of companies were also quite surprised by just how well a remote workforce actually worked for them. I think perhaps that GonNa pointed to maybe A. Historic lack of trust in wetter people would actually be productive when working from home but I think for many it's actually been the opposite need experienced that on productivity is actually increased some wash. I think it's been really interesting though in predicting the most recent months I think. A lot of people are starting to experience you know a level of fatigue associated with remote working I think it's A lot of that boils down to that it's become pretty normal for people to almost spend entire days jumping from colleges in call and I think if you compare that to the office environment where you're sure your days may have been jumping from meeting to meeting. But at least it within an office context, you have that ability to context switch while you're walking from one meeting room to the other whereas you know people are finishing zoom call it fifty nine minutes past then jumping onto the next. One of the top of our. So new personally myself of actually found myself yearning to return to the office recently as an I, think that's because I'm not particularly was settled to work from home. I've been working from a desk in my bedroom since the start of the outbreak and spending eight hours a day working a few feet from the pace. As you sleep every night tends to take its toll after a while I think and a Stephanie become apparent in a more recent ones so i. Think it was going to be really interesting is you know that the focus on remote barking during the pandemic has been primarily centered on the whole work from home thing but I really do believe that what we'll see in a wants to pandemic hopefully over soon, that will start to see more and more companies enabling their people not just to work from home to work remotely from wherever they want to work. You know I, find myself I actually really enjoy working outside an office setting but not. Necessarily from home in my bedroom and I think a lot of people will be an innocent and Scott Yeah I. think that's exactly right i. mean the fatigue piece is you know with anything new I think we were just trying to piece along now k. like he would duck tape here the solutions that will okay. Why can do this and I can work on my nights off my nightstand and this that and the other but it hasn't ever felt normal you know absolutely and until you think That's a collectively take a step back and be like, how do I want to organize my day? When do I want to come into the office versus not or? Other people but I agree I think that you know when you're in the same square footage every day. Every single day. It's it's pretty challenge. I've worked from home for a long time, but you just don't realize how much you get out of the house you know key really don't know. Absolutely. I. Think it extends. He's becoming a big focus now around work life balance and I think it's probably interesting that in the northern hemisphere is the summertime I think people are maybe would have been going on vacations and holidays that around this time and I, think you know they're seeing that they're deciding not to do dash because can't traveled to the places they want to travel to. Their their standard experience, not just the like meeting fatigue words spending all your day on all everyday on 'cause. But also you know that always connected came right which is like on new to everybody but I think it's new for a lot of people where. They feel like they're always switched on and it's it's kind of gone from. You know maybe people electing to in some cases to a place where it's nearly expected and I think you know I think we're GONNA see a lot of people particularly but I think companies are going to have to as well as Dr to focus on know how we can move to a world where we have a better balance going forward because I think you know right now it's definitely. Becoming consumed by work more than they ever have been I think it's going to be important for companies to ensure you know people have in oak cliff especially when working from home that they don't feel like they're always working twenty, four seven. So it'd be interesting to see how things play out over the next few months. But I do think we're GONNA see some real changes I think obviously. Pandemic. The like remote is here to stay for sure but I think a lot of people are saying that. Were nobody's ever going to the office I definitely. Don't think that would be the case I think I think people will go back to the office I. Think a lot of people have found that they've worked from home remotely reading enjoyed love and want to continue doing. So Susa lifestyle I think other people especially young single people will probably take the opportunity to go and you know maybe travel the world and from different locations around the world and embrace from that perspective. But I do think there's GonNa be a lot of people who are really anxious. To get back to the office, sons enjoy that kind of camaraderie that you guess around the office that is very hard to recreate a remote setting. So I'm definitely not brigade myself. So looking forward slash okay. Let's get into our lightning round. These questions are fast and easy just like this salesforce customer three, sixty platform the number one cloud platform for digital transformation of every experience, you can go to salesforce dot com slash platform to learn more they're the best check amount, salesforce, dot, com, slash platform, lading questions, Joe. Are you ready I'm not sure. Brady is I never be you better? Be Number one have you picked up a hobby during shelter in place I have retro things Retro I've become obsessed about everything to do what retro attack which has been kind of interesting. It's a little bit of a guilty pleasure blush. One of my favorite youtube channel is a channel as you are, and this regularly includes reviews of really terribly boring things like twenty year old PC PCI, some cards, things like installing old versions of Microsoft Windows on old PC's and reviewing in radio games like quake and unreal I. also really enjoy a channel called medal Jesus rocks, which is a channel all about collecting Retro Video Game Consoles, and Games. That's that's probably that I've picked him over the course of the last few months. Favorite book or podcast or or TV show you've been binging recently sure My favorite podcasts is a podcast called full stock radio. So it's hosted by a guy called Adam wadden based in Canada out of as the author of a CSS frame called tailwind. He's a prominent member of the some of the communities that are very relative. The field I work in is really really great podcast. Actually, he has a lot of really interesting guests on regularly talking about. Everything, from technology stocks to you know non tech things as well as people's hobbies and Interests Alonso he's had the likes of the age age from base compass been on a couple of times and Jason Three and Motari interesting gas allows slow. Yeah. Full Stack Radio's probably would What's your best advice for first time CTO Question. So my my best advice for a first CEO is to enable people to do their job effectively and then get out of the way I find especially with development and engineering teams that oftentimes like people work in a way that doesn't necessarily go in a continuous line. You know it's not like you can expect somebody to wake up at nine o'clock in the morning star coding and then stop at five o'clock in the evening and go and do the same thing five days a week doesn't generally work that way. Generally, you need to hire ready to go people. Trust them still really good job and then provide them with everything that they need in order to do that effectively and everything else is just getting out of the way and letting them do their job and Probably the best place. Who Joe thanks so much for coming on today, this has been awesome. Any final thoughts anything to plug. No. Just. You know definitely it would be a shame if I didn't shamelessly plug where fetal itself you know where working with some of the leading organizations to help them with their internal communications. So check us out on our on our website at work dot com follow us on twitter on Dod. Usual. Social Channels, and. 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