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Business and Marketing with Guest Mike Miller

Billy Dees Podcast

00:00 sec | 4 months ago

Business and Marketing with Guest Mike Miller

"Well hello, everyone and welcome to the podcast. I'm absolutely thrilled that you are here. I am billy. If you have never checked out our program before we are primarily and interview and commentary podcast, you can find us on all. Of the major pod casting platforms including apple podcasts, spotify IHEART radio stitcher tune in on down the line, and I see that because we're getting picked up more more by different platforms, and if you're running across this for the first time I, just want you to know that's where you can find this. You can also find me twitter at Billy Dis pretty much. Much, that's my social media home. We also have a facebook page abilities podcast. Please check us out. We are available. There July shaping up to be a great month for interviews and today. We're going to talk about business. We're GONNA. Talk about marketing and some other really good stuff on the phone with me right now. Is Mike Miller? How how're you doing Mike? Doing very well billy. To Be Awesome Glud heavy here now now Mike is a very busy guy. He's the owner of Miller Gulf enterprises, and that's here in Ohio and he's also the CO owner of grass, roots, branding and promotion. and. He's an ambassador kind of a a spokesperson. If you will for a new start up that we're going to talk about. Because, this is an interesting concept. It's called a fish mice spot. We're going to talk a little bit about that today, too. Very interesting concept all right Mike well, obviously, the the people that follow the show know that I'm based in Ohio. You are here in Ohio as well. Were you always from this area. Yeah, I've lived in Ohio. All my life moved around a little bit from. You know different places you know when I was younger. My parents moved a couple of times, but The vast majority I've been in the canton Massillon area. It's a great area. Obviously, we have football here. That's. Pretty much it, but obviously we have a lot going on for those of you around the country Ohio I believe is like seven or so in terms of the size of the economy. Very diverse economy, obviously, why always I always get flak about the corn, every we do have core year I won't deny it. Very big agriculture, but manufacturing still here in Ohio technology very very big Columbus Cleveland and needless to say medicine. Some some of the finest hospitals in the world are here in Ohio of course. Everybody knows about the Cleveland Clinic, so we have a lot going on here. And Mike has been in the thick of it for a long time. He's probably got more experience in. In the business community than I do so I'm always glad to talk to somebody who who knows more than I. Do now when you were a growing up and going to school to do you seem to be a natural talker. So where were you a inclined to go into sales and all those things are? What were your aspirations when you were like in high school? Well. That's the funny thing. I can't say I had any big aspirations. I kind of fell into things I. Worked when I was in high school, I worked as a house painter. And the reason I did that was my neighbor that lived next door was contractor and had his own business. and. In the summer, it was very easy for me. To just walk next door, jumping his van and go to work with him, it was it was kind of like a no-brainer to in. He was. He was a very unusual guy. Funny Guy He. He was a big influence in my life. because I did spend a lot of time with you know especially through my high school years, but he was the type of guy that you figured from the time you jumped in his van in the morning you were on the clock and you're on the clock until you got home that and got out of the van. And you probably spent about two thirds of the time. Actually working in the rest of the time was going to breakfast Stop at the paint store to pick up paint Just you know all kinds of things like that, but that's Kinda guy he was. I guess I got a lot of my ideas from him. As far as You know working intriguing people right? And that's important. And in this day and age I don't know. Maybe that gets forgotten a lot. I hit this conversation I'M GONNA? Ask Your opinion about this. I had this conversation a couple of days ago with somebody and we were talking about how. Businesses really don't have loyalty to their employees anymore. There was a situation where somebody had worked for an Organization for twenty five years, and they got a letter in the mail since they were home from. You know because of the Cova. They got a letter in the mail. Telling them that they were. You know that they were no longer with the company. Nobody even bothered to pick up the phone and call them. A totally agree. There's no loyalty there at all. Yeah, and but by the other side of the coin, one of the things that I brought up was that's true. That's horrible. That's not something that I would have done for sure. But by the same token. It seems like there isn't a lot of loyalty the other way I mean most places it used to be when you get out of school. You went to work for a major company and you work there for twenty twenty five years. Whatever and then you're done, and now everybody's skips around most people. They're employed at one place or another for two or three years. And then they move on, so it seems like the loyalty has gone both ways and I'm not sure that's boom really good for the for the business environment. What's your opinion about that? Well I agree it's The chicken and the ad which came first. Is it because the a companies don't have the loyalty to the worker? Or is it that the worker doesn't have the loyalty to the companies? And I think it's kind of a little bit of both because. The companies if van. Looks at the bottom line and. If they can cut, you can hire somebody that's cheaper and do the same job they they will do that now. So that in turn when you're an employee and you know you're just a number or a body to them. then. You're not really going to be loyal you. Better comes along for you. You know somebody's GonNa pay you fifty cents an hour more, or whatever may be. You're out the door, so it's That's the kind of the way it is yeah and I. I don't know when that started why it started, but it's not good for business. Not at all. My guess is that the shift of the economy to data and technology had a lot to do with that because those fields are so competitive and it seems like. It used to be here again. If you had a resume that showed you where to your six months and there two years, and they're a year and a half that look bad, but now they wanted to look that way their attitude. Their attitude is if you've been at the same place for ten or fifteen years. You have no ambition. It's almost there's something wrong with you. Yeah, right? Yeah, it's almost like the that whole concept has flipped. And so I believe that technology had a lot to do with that. Of course, the automation in the factories in that were certainly a part of that whole picture. But because of the fact now that the landscape is changed, and the skill sets that employers need almost very every eighteen months. You know there's a different way of marketing, and we're GONNA. Talk about that. There's a different way of getting the word out there. traditional media doesn't work the way it used to be so there's a lot of changing gears. And when you get hired especially at a small company now they expect you to be able to talk. Expect you to be a a spokesman for the company as well. Do The you know whatever it is that you have to do as part of your job. Now. You've had a history with golf courses and I find. How did you get involved with golf courses? was that something that here again? You just kind of stepped into, or was there an opportunity there that? That just made itself available and you decided to take it. Well it's it's kind of a combination of things first of all. My family was involved in golf okay. My grandfather actually built a local golf, course and He was the golf course superintendent for I believe it was thirty five years and he actually was working on the golf course when he passed away. And He built that golf course from scratch he he was actually a farmer and He was leasing the farm. He didn't own it and the fellow that owned the farm got into golf and he decided it was a good idea to build a golf course. So he came to my grandfather and talked to him about doing it, and it must have sounded better than farming. the two of him. Actually either one of them had any experience in golf in. They design nine holes of the golf course on the farm and that was way back in the days when all of the work was done with team horses. And They built the nine holes and opened the thing up and I think it was a year later they they ended up expanding to eighteen holes, so I guess it might have been in my blood although I didn't even golf until I was in my thirties. And I when I started the. Company! The reason I got into it was I was in sales I've been in sales forever started selling Christmas cards door to door at eleven years old. And so I guess I just. It's one of them. Things fell into. And I was selling different things like I work for both company and I started selling the golf courses just because they were there and. Nobody else in the company I was working for was doing that, so they anointed me the Golf Guru tour the companies. I wrote a couple of you know sales articles for their newsletter and stuff about you know what you do when you go in and talk to them what you presented to him. You know that kind of thing and. So I worked there for awhile, wait and it. Shows. There's several shows that are done in the golf industry. And the big one in Ohio is called. The Ohio Turf Grass show. and. It's held once a year in. The company I worked for with the fasteners that show I think for like five years in a row. Okay and. Marla things I I enjoy, you know dealing with the people because they're. They're just really good, common ordinary people. And so they they kind of people. When you walk through the door, they throw wrenches at which I've had when I sold chemical so. No. Sometimes. You just gotTa. Be careful. You're early do out there. Anyhow. I decided that You know one of the companies that I talked to at one of the shows they had a product called a fly. and. I don't know if you've ever seen a fly. Mo or heard of fly Mo-, but what they were is they were our. That work like a hovercraft it. It had a Cappella war underneath at. Blue air down around. The. Calling and this was plastic. You know was light, and it raised the more up. It would float. and. That's that's the way you mode with it and it out of England. And the golf courses loved these things because they could trim the tall grass around the sand traps which they couldn't get any other more, you know. The sand traps. But this thing they could, and so that just I love oddball things. You know that that other people don't have so I talk to the company. And actually just started part time with them. Calling on the golf courses and showing them this hour. And from there. It just grew from that yeah. That's interesting now while we're on the on the subject of mowing, do still do stuff with that that new type of more I guess it's like a smart more. Is that something that you still deal with? The auto more. It's It's a robotic mower that. You can you know put it in your yard? You use basically the same type of a wire that you use for the The dog runs, you know. Kerry dog wire. And its senses that wire when it gets to it and turns around and goes the other way and so it's it's basically like a Aruba for your yard, and he just always your yard. And keeps it looking nice all the time. That's interesting You had that one video of that one working in the and Ben People were driving by. Trying to figure out what it was. That's that's interesting and I guess they're really quiet efficient in my wrong or Oh yeah, yeah, they're. They're totally electric. They run on batteries. It really takes only about eight to twelve dollars a year in electricity. To run them. They. Pretty much can be programmed to operate whenever you want them to. They can be mowing in the middle of the night. And? They're very quiet I mean if there's barely a little harm to them if you're standing right next to them, so. It doesn't really matter when you run, you can run it You know only certain times. You can run it all the time. So really you just it depends on the. The season. HOW FAST YOU'RE CRASSUS GROWING! The actually will sense if the grass is is not growing, and they'll go out and all around for you know five minutes, and if it's not growing, just go back and tartans cells, and wait you know another couple of days. And they'll go back out star Boeing, and if there's no drag on the engine. They know the the grass is. You know isn't growing. In. Under the same type of thing, if there is a section of grass that grows faster like maybe it's getting more water or over a septic tank or something, and it's growing a little faster. The mowers senses that it's all GPS. And will know after about a month. that. That area needs to be. More often, so it will go back to that area. It's really smart machine I guess that is. That's amazing on. This speaking of golf just. Regionally here and I don't necessarily mean the super big grows. As a recreational sport I would imagine that a covert has hit the golfing industry in my impression. was that golfing wasn't quite as big as it once was to begin with I could be wrong about that. What's the state of Golf as a sport these days? No. You're perfectly right that over the past, I'd say fifteen years. The golfing has gone down really and I attribute that APP to a lot of different factors. Back in the eighties. Tiger Woods was playing and playing well. And he was driving the industry for quite a while. Everybody that watch tiger woods. During the Sunday tournaments. Yeah, wanted to go out and beat Tiger Woods. You know. They had their kids out there that you know everybody was trying to that. So He, he drove the industry for quite a while and at one point. They were opening three hundred plus golf courses a year. In that went on for about ten years. And then. it started to slack off a little bit, and of course tiger kind of went by the wayside. And now. My in this is you know my opinion. I can't say I I noticed fact but. In my opinion, a lot of the golfers today are every bit as good as tiger woods in some of them may be even better. But there's maybe ten or twenty of them, so they people don't focus on one person. And and that's. Part of the whole pick. Now the other part of the picture is. that. You know fifteen twenty years ago. A guy would work all week and come. Saturday he would go home and eat. Tell his wife say hey, I'm gonNA go play offside. Well. That was perfectly okay. Well Times change. And now. The the wife says well. I don't think so because you need. Stay home and help me with the kids. or Their wife's base a or not even necessarily the wife. The kids are doing traveling teams which. Every every sport out. There has a traveling team. Yeah, some of these people go. You know two states away for tournaments. Well, guess where the guy that's supposed to be out there playing golf and spending money. Somewhere else watching tournaments staying in a hotel spending money to get their food. You don't have any money left to play golf when it's all done. So that's another factor, so it's just really a perfect storm. That golf is not as big as it was ten to fifteen years ago so. With your branding company What other types of marketplace's do you do you work in? And what are some of your favorite things? To promote and brand and talk about. The the branding company. was started with another guy and the reason we did that was. We both did a lot of networking, and we talked to a lot of people on a regular basis. and. We felt that you know there's startup companies out there. New Companies companies that can't afford sale, marketing, director, or something like that. But they need to get the word out and let people know what they do. What their services! And that's kind of a niche market that we felt we could could fill just spy. Doing networking for these folks. And whenever were in a group of people? Just you know, we can pass out flyers. We could pass out discount cards whatever it may be. An let the people know you know about the business and try to drive a business to that company and. That's basically what I do with fish spot, and you know just promote the company. For what it is and what it does and let people know about it so. That's basically how I got into that. Let's talk a little bit about fish. My spot because that's an interesting concept. I'll I'll let you kind of take that you present it in your own words. I know a little bit about it. Obviously, but I'll I'll let you present the concept and how you guys are are are going for. Sure. Fish. MICE BOD is. On. I would say a very similar type business too AIRBNB. Now AIRBNB has been around about ten years. And ten years ago if somebody would have said you. You can you know rent somebody's house for the weekend or for the month or however long it may be. And you go on a website in you, find a place where you wanna go in you rent the house for a period of time. Right, that was a bizarre thing when I first heard that I shook my head and I said I. Don't think that'll ever work. Well, here we are ten years later. it has been gone great guns and Matter of fact, this summer I was scheduled to use an AIRBNB until Cova de. We were going to get together with all of our kids. You know and spend a few days in an AIRBNB. But. Fish, my spot is a very similar concept and what we do is we connect fishers fishermen anglers. kids grandparents anybody that wants to go fishing. With private pond owners. Know, you could go to a state lake and you could spend four hours five hours six hours. Fishing state, Lake and you may catch a blue Gill or you may not catch anything. Most of the private ponds are under fish. They don't get a lot of action and most of them have Saberi nice fishing. Private Bonds that when you throw your line in, they are hit instantly while so what we want to do is find the owners of these ponds that are willing to put their pawn on our website. And, we pretty much handle everything we handle the booking. We handle the fees. We have a million dollar insurance policy that covers the pond owner and be Angler so if anything happens yeah. Basically once they put their pawn on our site and it's free. It doesn't cost a thing to do it. In the only real requirement is that the pond has fish in it. so there's not really a size requirement. We find that probably somewhere three quarters of an acre on up. Is usually good if it's smaller than that, it's. It's probably not gonNA. Be a good fit. But We've got as much as five Acre lakes on our site that have been listed. And The pond odor basically just collects a check once a month when we total of how many people have gone unfished. Their Pot The pond owner has complete control. They can only they want. They can just do certain days of the week. They can do weekends. They can block out times. so that you know the the pond is there so they complete control? They can't say we want catch release. You can catch keep. Bacon does eight species of fish that they'll let you keep. Or ones that they want you to throwback in so. Basically the pond owners in complete control and We have a set of rules obviously that the Angler has to follow. These rules you know and lot, it's supposedly commonsense. You don't leave a bunch of trash around you know. Take care of the owners property you know. Certain areas that you're not supposed to go you know things like that and. They agreed to these you know when they sign up. And if they violate these these rules, then they will be part of our website. They won't be able to fish with US anymore so. It's It's a new concept. It's We've been pretty much two years. But it really. Took US until probably about the last eight months. To really get get going. We started with eight months ago. We had like six on. We got twenty one now. We got one up in New York. Which that? When the guy just pound us on the website and called a subset. Hey, this great idea love it. Put me on there. So but we we do. want to go. National eventually were just in the in the process right now. Building Ohio Right Oh. We're looking in Pennsylvania West Virginia at this point and It's just a great concept is it's good way for? Let's say grandparents cake. Brand gets out. And one of the really. Nice things about it. Is We fishing private lake? Do not have to have a fishing licence. Oh. That's you know that's good because you know. Maybe you don't have a fishing licence, but you'd like. Take a kid fishing once in a while. So that's very view, just jump onto website. Sign up and. Grab your fishing pole. That's one of the things that strikes me about the concept. Is that the The a privacy? You know you can go to a lake and even if you're one of those people. It used to be that a lot of people used to fish to kind of. Get Away, and just by themselves or a lot of times they wanNA spend some time like you say with their children or grandchildren. What have you but? It's getting so that some of these you know public areas. They're dirty as people playing music, real loud, and all these other things going on in this way here. It's kind of like a good way to just have some quiet time outside. The, you're you're right there. When. You Book Private Pawn. The chances are. You're going to be the only one there now? That's the other thing that we do is if you book a private pond. You can take three other people with you. And and there again it's that's entirely up to the pond owner, but that's what we suggest, so. The fee is four. Let's say parents in a couple of kids. Grandparents a couple of kids. Could before adults, or whatever and then if you want. Somebody else to come, you can pay a little bit extra, but the chances are when you go, you will be you and your group will be the only ones at that pont, so it's a great place to just have a picnic. You don't even have to fish. Yeah, we're GONNA, take a picnic lunch and get away. You can do that. See. That's on. Yeah, that's a great concept that part of it yeah. Because, a lot of people want to do that. They WanNa get away, but they don't want to go to the wilderness. Right. Alaska. So you can just you know essentially take a short one tank trip as they call them. And probably a lot less than that depending on where you're at and get away for a while. And the other thing is the pond owner. If he wants to let people camp overnight, he can do that. You know we can set it up, so that's available. We've had Pond owners that actually have little cabins built on their on their ponds, and they can rent those out if they want. If they have a boat. That's available. They want to rent a boat. They can do that, they. You know they can do anything they want with this and. It's just a great concept in it. Really is great for the covert eighteenth situation. Where you WanNa, do social distancing. You Book Private Pond and take your family out. You don't have a problem with. Worry about a bunch of people, so it's it. Kinda played into our hands. Yeah, that part of it's good unless a squirrel sneezes on you. Right. It's just you and the fish. That's awesome all right, so just make sure I wanNA make sure the audience understands that this is if they want more information about this. It's a real easy website. It's fish mice spot correct. Yep Fish my spot dot, com, okay, or you can just use Hashtag fish by spot and we will come up. Oh awesome. So you obviously that means you're a a presence on twitter and facebook, and so on fish. My spot dot com. Right. We're on facebook, twitter instagram and Lincoln. You got all the bases covered there. Man, you're good. That's great. All right. We have been talking a to Mike Miller here again. Very experienced Business Guy Miller Gulf enterprises. Grass roots branding and promotion and he's he's now an ambassador. For Fish Mice bought a very interesting concept, a good way to. Get away easily locally. Let's say you know without having to drive into the wilderness to the forest or something you, you can take a reasonable amount of time. Go somewhere and share some private moments with your your family and and so forth and we to stress if you have some land, if you have some land and there's a pond on there and you want to check this out. Fish mice spotted You go there for both if you want to participate or if you want to. Be a customer. both sides of the coin. Fish spot is that correct? That is correct. We are looking for ponds right now, and we also are looking for anglers, so we got that done in at some point, we are going to be open for investing also L. Great. There's there's some things down the road awesome well. We're going to keep in touch with you on this. And at some point I want to get you. And at least a couple of other people into the studio were obviously limited right now, and it's a holiday weekend. That's always crazy. obviously with Cova. We have concerns about distancing and all that so I'm actually working on some new spacier. were expanding a an area where we can do interviews and stuff, and at some point in the future I really want you to come in do an in person, interview and talk about this more answer. It's a really great concept. It's always a great to talk with you anytime Mike I really appreciate you coming on. Bill. I appreciate the opportunity and. Forward to opportunity to see that new studio. Okay. Yeah we'll let me tell you. I I'll look at some point I'm going to tell you the horror story of trying to paint a basement floor, and you don't use the right pane and bubbles up and Appeals Elan. was. Well who else. Here you knew a guy that painted three years. You could've called I soon. Call, but you know how it is. You'll get the feeling. I can handle this and it'll work. And you just dive into it and the next thing you know what was supposed to take a weekend took an entire month, but it's behind us now and yes, Oh, at very much like to have you and some other people over to talk about this at some future point. Thank you for being on Mike Well thank you very much bill pleasure absolutely let me address the audience once again. Fish mice spot do check it out fish, my spot dot com, whether you are a Fisher person, if that's a term or whether you have some property, and you would like to invest in this concept by getting involved and using your proper property for. Some possible revenue streaming new. Check it out fish. My spot I'm billy dis once again and I'll tell you you can find me on twitter kind of my. Social Media Home at Billy. On twitter also believe these podcasts is on facebook now I've recently. Polish that facebook page up. And I don't know why, but for whatever reason I have not done, hardly anything with Youtube, but that's starting to change where we're having are a lot of our podcast the web version. I have a web camera on for this podcast so you can you know see what's going on behind the scenes and in the studio where adding some content about? Equipment Recording Techniques Promoting podcasts that digital media in general so a lot of stuff me personally. If you're going to have a youtube channel, a lot of podcasters just throw the audio up there, which is great, because Youtube is like the second biggest search engine, so people are looking for information. You want them to be able to find you on Youtube, but just to have the audio and Youtube to me didn't make sense if you didn't augment somehow with some behind the scene stuff, and so the YouTube channel is brand new billy dis do check it out and subscribe you like I am Billy Dis and until next week. 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What was he thinking?

Joey Hudson

44:27 min | 2 years ago

What was he thinking?

"Guess what daily. Everybody. Guess what day it is. Moist anticipated hour of the day is here will good to upstate live with Joey Hudson, your source for the big trending topics, and the stories that are about to fold cracks combined with great guests and free wheeling audience participation. It could get rough, upstate live on ninety four WGTK the answer. On this Wednesday afternoon lot to talk about today or you following the story done in Mississippi where this high school marching band did a routine last Friday. They picked ING. Some. Doctors and nurses standing over supposed- police officers holding them. Now with guns, it's going viral. We're gonna talk about that in just a minute. Also Democrats across the board. Are appearing to rethink their strategy. And I'll say this tongue in cheek as the common theme with last few days has been that the Democrats were gonna go from being nice to Republicans to fighting back. I didn't realize that they had already been fighting back, but of course we'll watching hurricane Michael as it made landfall on Florida's panhandle. This afternoon is stream. -ly dangerous built into a category form of four storm. Immunised monstrous if you look at some of the images hundred fifty five mile per hour, winds slammed into the shores of the Florida panhandle this afternoon being described as the most powerful storm on record to strike that region with thirteen deaths already being attributed to the storm. Michael made landfall shortly after two o'clock this afternoon, just northwest of Mexico beach, which is just outside of the Panama City area. This according to the Weather Channel, the storm is being described forecasters as unprecedented. Literally it exploded from tropical depression over the weekend to nearly reaching the category, five status just just one mile per hour away from this category, five status as it was being fueled by the warm water in the Gulf of Mexico or three hundred seventy five thousand people up and down the Gulf Coast have been warned to evacuate. Michael is expected to come up through Georgia into South Carolina, then on into North Carolina over the next twenty four hours or so as a tropical storm, but could cause widespread power outages. Some risk of flash flooding in some areas of the Midlands primarily. As well as a possibly some. Tornadoes, of course, the biggest thing that we're watching in the Carolinas is the flooding the calls. We still have areas of Bo states that are still trying to recover from hurricane Florence. Some parts of the Carolinas could receive up to eight inches of rain, North Carolina, Governor ROY Cooper declared a state of emergency day urging residents to take this storm seriously. Lots of roads and bridges that were already damaged by Florence or being repaired by transportation officials in their warning to please be careful do not drive around barricades or saying closer to home here in the upstate lighter rains. If any, in some areas, one to five inches, possibly. There's a tropical storm warning in effect in Elbert County. Georgia Abby Ville Greenwood Laurens union in Newberry county, South Carolina where we probably will see some struck us tropical storm force, winds gusting up to the mid thirty mph rang. So folks even though is not a direct hit to South Carolina and North Carolina. Please be careful as you're out there. Have you been following this story. From Mississippi where just two days after the two, Brookhaven police officers were killed in the line of duty. We talked about that some. Two officers gunned down. And in a neighboring community, a high school marching band during their halftime performance. This past Friday. Had students in the band pretending to hold police officers at gunpoint. They were holding. Toy guns that like some type of automatic rifles. Now, images of the performance have gone viral. As you can imagine, army veteran, Graham Allen, who is from Mississippi says, this kind of thing just doesn't happen in his home state and the bigger question he's asking as he appeared on Fox News today is why didn't someone say something. One I want to start off by pointing out is as a Mississippi and myself, you know, this is my home state, and I think that just the general community here is is just kinda shocked by this because this is Mississippi in this kind of thing doesn't happen here. And what I mean by that is Mississippi. We stand by president, we stand by our military and we support our law enforcement community. And I think that's the biggest thing that's the shock people is is you know, this is this is a place that does this kind of stuff. Doesn't happen Mr. Allen on FOX. News today again, asking why no questions were raised leading up to this halftime performance. It was at forest hill high school. This past weekend. Allen is an army veteran a Mississippi, a Mississippi native, and he was appeared on FOX and friends. And he talked about this controversial performance that may have happened. He said because of a number of things, parenting being number one of them, though. Saying, no questions were asked because it's now acceptable. And that falls one hundred percent of the parents. He said and also pointing out that they had to have been practicing. This for. Wow. Now which makes it even more unbelievable that no one questions routine and that the band director who obviously is pushing a social Justice issue onto students in although he is on suspension right now, many are calling for him to lose his job permanently. You agree, should this band director who came up with this idea. Pushed his students into doing this in in front of the the hometown crowd on Friday night. Should he be allowed to keep his job. Mr. Alan takes issue with that crazy. No, we fired football coaches for praying with athletes, but. When you have a situation like this, which is which is political at the end of the day, no matter how they wanted to pick this. This is an adult male, the band director that is pushing a social Justice agenda onto children students. And like you said, can we hold the students accountable? I think you can, but but but it's not one hundred percent there fall in my opinion, this falls down at the most basic level on parenting as a former band person myself in high school. I know for fact that this was practiced for months all the way back into the summertime. They've been practicing this routine. So why didn't anyone say anything at one at no point Amy student? You know, maybe this isn't appropriate or this is weird? No, we've we've started raising a generation that that's just something that's acceptable holding, pretending even to hold police officers at gunpoint on. Football field. No one says anything that falls one hundred percent on the parents. It is our job to teach our kids, the values that we want to hold dear. It is the school's job teach our kids academics and somewhere along the way, we as parents got lazy and we just started letting other people teach our kids about animals values in, do our job force, Mississippi governor Phil, Bryant also condemned the act tweeting that is quote unacceptable in a civilized society. So who is to blame here? Is it solely on the shoulders of the band director who obviously came up with the idea who coats his kids to do this. Is it the parents. And what responsibility do these high school kids have at at some point during this whole process. Should it have been up to or expected that a as sixteen seventeen eighteen year old? Mine of said, you know, this doesn't seem right. Should we be pretending. To hold police officers down with guns. During our our high school football game are marching band routine. What responsibility do the students have? If any? Eight seven, seven, three, five, nine, four, zero five, your call your opinion you're inside. 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Now goes down eight hundred some point since three and a half percent roughly. So I think it's good to keep those kind of things in perspective. But the biggest reason that that I've been able to find people talk about is interest rates going up, makes it where stocks the stocks that pay dividends aren't quite as attractive as they were with interest rates for nothing that long ago. So now they're going up, people think, okay, maybe I can just I can buy some CD's and get some other, you know, money markets that are two percent or something of that, and that kind of takes away the possessive going into stocks. But I think people need to keep that whole this whole time line perspective, we're going to start third quarter earnings season reporting in a few. And like next week it's all. Projected to be strong again, which tells me that the likelihood of stocks staying down like this is not so great as probably just a little dip we're going to have. We were doing a lot of buying at the office days, so it's good time to. He's just a couple of percent drop. We haven't had much of that. Let's get, you know, get a little bit of a discount anyways. So. Mike Miller saying, what everyone heard from plan I today is. Viewed as an opportunity. Is that, is that what you're saying? Yep. About it. Yeah, and don't keep all your stock investments this this Saturday talking about. I haven't done a full market day in number weeks. So in the third quarter, now this little market drop today. Who knows? It might go up more tomorrow, but someone to update ten o'clock Saturday on talking money. But everybody. Everybody tune in Mike Miller preach calling into that, hey, I got a comment about your your band director, okay, to should he keep his job. So I think that the first thing to do for him, I've had two brothers that were police officers, and I've, I've ridden in the police car with both of them. I think this band director ought to the forced to ride alongside these police officers for few weeks or few nights anyway, get a feel for what they go through and then tell me us do the right thing. Changes tune point that point. Miller always good here from free Saginaw frame. All right. You can hear Mike every Saturday morning at ten AM host of talking money might makes it good point. If you have never done a ride along with police officer, let me in courage you to do so, and anybody pretty much can do that. Just just contact your local police department, your local sheriff's office. This because they're happy to do this. I noticed just the other day, one of our new city councilman in the city of Greenville talked about that. He had just recently done a ride along. He posted his own Facebook, and he says, he's has a whole new perspective on what these men and women do stay and you will, if you see what they have to deal with. So here's what happened last Friday at the halftime performance of forest hill. High school's band students appeared to be dressed as doctors and nurses, and they were pointing their guns at other students who were lying on the ground dressed as police officers as if they were holding these police officers at bay. Now, obviously this photo has gone viral. You can see it on her Facebook page. Go to Facebook, search for ninety four, five WGTK the answer. You see it for yourself. It's been widely reported. It's everywhere. Now. The band director has been suspended for now, but many are questioning if he should even be allowed to keep his job. I had just a minute ago, a gentleman, a vet who is from the state of Mississippi. Graham Allen pointing out the fact that coaches have lost their jobs for praying. And yet this man has his students depicting. These students holding police officer at bay with guns and he suspended, so does it get to keep his job? Should he keep his job and what makes this even more unacceptable? I mean, it shouldn't be done at all. But this is in the same community in the same school district. Where two police officers had been shot and killed in the line of duty two days. Prior to this just last week, the Brookhaven police officers. By the way Gallagher's army might Gallagher's shows a general foundations. Fallen off refund will be helping those police officers by synonym financial assistance. If you'd like to help just go to Gallagher's army dot org, give generously, but this would be wrong anytime anywhere, I think, but especially in a community. That is grieving over the loss of two police officers and you have the students. Out on this field as if they're holding guns on police officers. Now, the Brookhaven school district issued a statement or response saying that it had no prior knowledge of the performance. So who's responsible. Is it solely the band director? I mean, he certainly the adult in the equation is not. This Graham Allen appearing on Fox News. Earlier today says that one hundred percent on the parents that is a failure of parenting that these parents have not taught their children to at least recognize themselves that this is wrong. What's leads me to question to one about the students? Should they hold in responsibility. Should one of these kids. Not have thought, you know, maybe we shouldn't be doing this and and have gone home to their mom or dad and said, you know what we've practiced today or maybe gone to another student or maybe gone to a principal and said, do you know what our band directors is having us do. Who do we look at in a situation like this? Eight, seven, seven, two, three, five, nine, four zero. Five, Charles is in Grayson. Georgia, welcome in Charles. Hey, how you doing? I'm wonderful. How about you, sir? All right. I think the first of all the band director should be should be fired. At the end of the day, the band rector he approves the music and routine for go on and he should be because again, we have coaches that are teaching children to do the right thing by praying and respecting I'll national happen and our country, and they get fined for doing the right thing. This direction should be fired. Sacramento. Those students that participated should be suspended off the out of the band. And I saw the parents, the parents. These students could be displaying the action of the parents. A lot of parents have these same sentiment when it comes to law enforcement. I have my daughters than when we go out to eat some time for breakfast on the weekend, and we officers that I let them themselves. They were by officers, breakfast. Got to be like, I let him by officers. Lunch. I let them in with the officer officers has gave them two of their police cars and gave him honorary badges. I let them know that you be the people that you are the respect and they're here to help to. And we talk about the bad when we go through the whole thing. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, you have to show law enforcement respect because you know, they, they have a job and they have a family and without them and occupy be everywhere. So the band director should be fired. And those students that participated in this should be suspended out out the band, Charles. You make a lot of sense, and thank you for what you're saying, what what you're doing as far as you know, having the kids by the officer, a Cup of coffee or whatever, show respect. I mean, that's what we need to be teaching these kids, Charles. So thank you for doing that and upper. I appreciate your comments here. I'm with you. One hundred percent fill quickly. Tell me where is grace in Georgia. Grayson is is in a winner county is probably about thirty miles outside of Athens, Georgia. Okay, Charles, appreciate you listening to us down there in Georgia. All right, thanks, Allie. Wonderful. Eating Charles makes a lot of sense. I mean, I'm with him one hundred percent. We have to show kids respect for authority. And again, maybe was just coincidence. Maybe this guy didn't didn't think about the fact that these officers had just been killed one texter Gail is writing wasn't at the visiting team. Yes, it was as understanding but but Gail, they still doesn't make it right. Again, I don't think this is a routine at a ban should be doing anywhere, let along in an area they were still in in the in the area. In the same school district where two police officers had just been gunned down. Makes no sense whatsoever. Eight seven seven two three five nine four zero. Five will get back to your phone calls and your text messages are welcome on the big rock Texana as well. For all your natural stone hearts. Gate needs visit. Go big rock dot com. 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A high school marching band depicted the scene of some doctors and nurses holding down some police officers on the ground at gunpoint. The band director is suspended, but many are saying that's not enough that he needs to go. He needs lose his job. Christopher rights, Joey kids do not report fellow students who are bringing a gun to school, the suit up the school. They're not gonna die. Mount the band director, Jim in powders. Bill writes, Charles is the man. Thank you, Charles for your actions. He's referring to Charles, who was a caller just a few minutes ago who talked a lot of sense talked about how he teaches his kids to respect police officers and encourages them to buy a Cup of coffee or buy them lunch or something. Alleman hendersonville says, Joey. What happened to no tolerance there been kids suspended young as seven for just drawing a gun on paper, pointing a finger and bringing toll a gun to school. So these band members are blameless, right? He's right. He says the band director should be terminated. Eight, seven, seven, two, three, five, nine, four, zero, five. Let's go back to the phones. We'll go to Sam, who's in Clemson, welcome in Sam. How are you? I'm wonderful. Hope you are. I'm doing great. Hey, listen, the the person who just sending the text that was actually made my point about how the students getting expelled for eating the peanut butter sandwich in the shape of a gun for drawing a picture of a gun. So this this band director, there is absolutely no, no excuses. He should be gone and read. I like the idea and this you go for every member of that band. Schedule them running along because how that would be their absolute best way to learn about what these officers go through on a daily basis and you right? Say we have to teach these kids to respect thority. We have to let them say, first hand, what the men and women in blue do for us every day rather than coaching them to be out on a football field owning guns at the, you know, some people have said, well, the kids are just kids. They're sixteen seventeen eighteen. But look. But what better to teach these, if they're just kids what better way to teach kids. The have them see, you know, buying. They were doing granted. It was wrong. It was it was absolutely wrong, but they were doing. They were told to do. You're right and right around they? Yeah. They should've said I am absolutely not going to do it. The pair maybe should if it I don't know who knew what I do know that the band director there is no way mirror excuse absolutely zero knew that it was wrong was wrong will handle. I think back though when I was in high school, I would like to think that I would have known better to do such a thing though. Absolutely. I'm fifty years old and I knew better. I definitely knew better. Realized towns or different now, and I don't know what this area this community, whatever is like, but but you know, the fact that that they had dressed, they were still mourning the police officers just exasperated even if they had a plan at that point, they said, no, that a good idea. But right the we was. We was will we'll skip this part of it. We'll play some nice music entertain you, but we'll skip this part of it. You're so right Sam. We should be. He should be going. Excuse is gone. All right. Broussais to call have wonderful. Thank you. Thank you, Sam in Clemson, pre that eight seven, seven, two, three, five, nine, four zero five one line open for you. Christopher who writes in on the big rock Tech's line from time to Tom says everyone who ever wrote along with me at vise. They were not expecting much at the beginning because it was a small town that Christopher talking about a ride along a number of you have talked about that these kids and the band director should get in the police car and two a rod law, and any of you can do that. Just call your local police department call your sheriff's office Christopher obviously, has been a police officer at some point, and he talks about at the beginning because it was a small town at the end of the ride, they were incomplete shock at what they observed and heard, and I hear that from so many people. Who do a ride along with a police officer, you just don't have a clue of what they deal with. Mike and Anderson also in the big rock Tech's line, if the band director is on the left, his job will probably be spared. Sadly, Mike raider ura you're correct. Scott down in fairplay rights totally sick. This Trump's colon capper Knicks behavior, hopefully many left the game after this. Nothing to do with music fire. The band director. I think scotch voting for dismissal. Eight, seven, seven two three five nine four zero five. Cheryl is in easily. Welcome and Cheryl. Hey, Jerry, how are you today? Wonderful. Hope you are. I am. Thank you. I'm calling about the band director and I fully believe he should lose his job. We had kids suspended and expelled for way less something that a lot of parents. I have have two kids in the band. Often the school purchases, these programs from people who write the music and set the choreography. So I believe it should go further. I think there should be a full investigation because I find it hard to believe that at least the assistant principal or principal didn't know what this program was since it likely to be purchased. Of course, I don't know the school or circumstance, but just, you know, from what I always know, I thought the schools just kind of made themselves up. You know they made up the programs themselves, but that generally, as I. Stand it. That's not the way they work nowadays. So I know our school purchase the program from somebody who writes the composition and music. Ranges scores and whatnot. And then you know, our, our school tweaks it a little bit according to number of members, etc. On and so forth. But pretty much sticks to the way it was. Brings up a couple of other questions. If if that is the case, and I hadn't thought about that, if that's the case, then we need to be finding out who did in fact come up with this crazy idea. And if his business selling this to other schools, we need to be calling knocking on their door, letting them know that this over. But Cheryl, if in fact, let's say this band director came up with his own his own than to me that makes it even worse. Absolutely. You know what? I'm stunned at, whether he came up with it or she came up with it on her own or they purchase it. I, I just find it hard to believe the parents watching the practices. Nobody said anything. You know the kids, you know? Yeah, I believe there should be an investigation and the school should be brought in. I think they should really handle this matter quite seriously, but some somewhere in upper hierarchy of things, something failed terribly. Anybody thought at any point that this was acceptable, especially in this day and age right now. So especially in this community hero where to fleece officers, two days earlier had lost their lives. That's terrific. Show appreciate your input. Have a wonderful evening. I'm getting another text message here of which really brings up. Another excellent thought here is she says that she is a band parent and that she's never seen a situation with her child's ban to wear while they're practicing these routines after school that there's not other band parents standing around watching this. So they probably were aware of what was going on to, and and that just there's even more adults possibly in the equation that could have said something. 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Now the texture said, have been working all day. Not sure what you're discussing. This is the story of Mississippi where last Friday during halftime. A high school marching band depicted the scene of some doctors and nurses holding some students who were in police uniforms on the ground with guns as if they're holding them. Hostage is gone viral. The band director is suspended but many across the nation or saying that he should be fired. The Brookhaven school district said in a statement that they had no prior knowledge of this performance and and I'm just asking the question, is it the band director? Should he lose his job. The parents. What responsibility do parents have in this? And finally, the students? Is it unrealistic to think that some sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen year olds? Maybe maybe some of them should know better to evidently not all the students in the area didn't recognize something wrong here. Here's a few speaking with local TV news station w. l. t. I was shocked at the halftime performance SIS because of everything that act community is going through and. No disrespect to the forest. He'll ever think when they decided to do their performance, they should've took into ration-. We was already going through a lot at this time and we still trying to figure out what needs to be done about the situation at hand. So football and I was bad. I have a passion for music, but and that makes me embarrassed for Vance to, you know, such a a bad skit, this young man makes a lot of sense. I would be embarrassed if I were part of the school and especially part of the school's banned as well. Now, eight text her on the big rock text line says, Joey, don't interpret this the wrong way. Always support any person in uniform, but we need to ask ourselves, did the band director break any laws or school policies before we just demand him to be fired for being stupid? I think Susan Collins has blamed it best end look, yes, we have to have some tolerance. We have to understand this. Do you think that if the situation was such that this band director was a known conservative and had done something, maybe even supporting the police and was like many of you have said today, coaches who lead their students in prayer, even students who lead prayer at Tom's have been suspended. I tax reminded go even pointed out the fact that we've had young elementary school age students who drew toy guns. Or suspended the calls, supposedly, there's no tolerance when it comes to guns in schools. There's so many levels at this is wrong and that the adult in this equation, the band leader somehow missed that. I don't quite know how he could missed it, especially with the fact that his area had just witnessed. Two police officers gunned down two days earlier how he could not have seen how insensitive this was. Christie's in Greenville welcoming, Christie. I Joey just don't happen to me often, but I'm almost speechless. What do you say well to your text? Or who said, are any laws broken? Well, if the laws in Alabama are the same as in South Carolina, then yes, yes, he did because there's no tolerance or guns toy or otherwise. But cutters you name it. So yes, I think he did if they have the same laws that there's no tolerance for guns in school, and then he did. He at least broke a broker rule for school, which could count as a firing, you know. I can't get my words. I'm saying. But. Cruise through just just throw out the rules and the laws and all that stuff. Let's talk common sense. Talk humanity. If my kid was in that school, I'd want to pull them out and I'll tell you this. I have always said that a crew is only as good as the management behind them. So he gets fired. Then I think that the administration that school should at least be put on probation. Texter said from the principal owned down that the principal is responsible for all the people under him or her lately. Absolutely. Because my boss is responsible for my actions that play out in his workplace. I'm just saying, so you know, that would be the same in that school, and I think that the administration should be put on if nothing else on a probationary period to watch that, you know, mind their Ps and qs. Soon them to the corner for us, stupidity break. I mean, you know, yes. Hi, Christie, I'm blown away and I'm gonna let you go because I know you want him down, but I want to tell you I didn't even know you guys existed till few months ago. I used to listen to another right wing station in town, and my kids pointed out to me that they were always calling people names blasting people that didn't agree with them. And I found guys by accident, and even my kids have noticed that when you have a caller that you don't agree with, you are so polite to them and you thank them for call and given their point of view, and you don't allow your texters or other callers to bash them, and you do not call them names and I wanna say you are head above the others cruiser. When you have made Monday. Thank you, Christie, and you have made much actually listen to right wing radio because they're being in. I wanna meet him sometime. Okay. Cures to good out of town that good. Good here from. Thank you so much. Christy, I'm lost words be happy because God's in control.

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Is he by the whole thing so you buy but he treat us of course not why not. He's these the guy now. I wouldn't go that far. What do you mean you wouldn't go that far? He's fulltime on the air okay. Who else did you go out with? Who was full time on the air? No one okay. So why didn't he treats you guys I don't know if he's quite there. The fat I mean it sounds like he's quite these are full time on the air at Wfan. I think that's one of those things that sort of comes with the territory. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. I don't know maybe I'll make guys are paying for every time we go out you play so JJ's on the same levels you now. Is that what we're saying. Hey It's part of the deal it is over at. CBS Sports Radio. How did the same thing those guys you know? Luckily I got boomer here. So boomers like brain guy. Yeah I swoop in for a little bit mayor. Jj could learn a little sprinkle here. There I'm just trying to help you out the fat free meal. I guess I mean I knew going in and it was going to be split five ways. There were five of us and that's the way it was gonna go down at some point. Point got act like an adult seriously. It's just step up. I'm not you know them. Twenty two and single jobs and children. I mean and four cup. Your forty bucks. I'm older than him married with two kids. I shouldn't be leaning on him to treat for dinners leaning on him. It's just it's just. The you know an expectation. That's all maybe next time. I'll keep that in mind. It's probably large bill with Peter Luger's it was a little yeah. It was slightly larger. Yeah you must not have hit a lot of bowl games probably heard his NFL. I felt it was like forty and four Nevada right but Harrison. He's not gambling winning these picks. That's the thing that's so infuriating infuriating to Jj fliegelman because here are these guys. That just flushing their money down the toilet every week and Harrison winning every single game. He's got like a seven fifty. Winning percentage and the guy is in bed on anything. Celebrate Tori cream. Puff the penny. All right CEELO is here with the update. What's going on Chris? I brought to you by the New York Boat. Show January twenty second in through January twenty sixth at the Javits Center visit New York Boat Show Dot Com and awaiting disciplined for Major League baseball for his involvement and now two separate signs dealing mm schemes. Alex Cora Green to part ways with the Red Sox as their manager. Just one day after the Astros fireboat manager. Aj hinch and GM. Jeff Liu now core connected to both Houston's transgressions transgressions in two thousand seventeen and now this alleged transgression by the two thousand eighteen red sox which is still under investigation. He had the red sox released a statement on Tuesday saying that they collectively actively decided it would not be possible for Alex to effectively lead the club going forward. He agreed with all that. Best part ways that thing for he and the organization. Thank them for at the time in Boston. said it was the best couple years of his life meets on the mets remain mum on the status of Carlos Beltran that's been all the rage around here scheduling a conference call or press conference. Oh him if so I haven't. I have not seen a timer date for that. Just that people are waiting for them to say something anything. Okay well if there is a if there is the time for that we'll certainly get that out there. There's something that they're going to be down in. Port Saint Lucie next week to change the name of the media. Whatever Mike Mike Piazza something might be this? But but there's but people are saying you can't now hijack that ceremony for the Carlos Beltran tron cheating statement so prior to who can hijack it the media or the Matt Amendments. The mets need to get out and before. Yes and it's sometime name this week and I agree with that sentiment that sometime this week you know they should call a press conference they should prep them for everything and put them out there. Answer all the questions and I think once the data happens happens you get a satisfactory answer from him if you get a satisfactory answer him then we can all move on a little bit quicker. Well if there's one person you'd WANNA here from on all the scandal stuff of course it'd be Pete rose. Obviously he's the guy he's the guy so he was on with TIKI and Tierney over at CBS. Sports Radio yesterday talk about about baseball on a positive note every day. Twenty days a month five hours a day and as you know the last several years it's been tough to defend baseball. This is just another another black eye for baseball. He's kind of up on the soapbox. Now look down at everyone a little bit interesting changes. Baseball is just so dirty. The things that they do some hard to get behind this no integrity with these guys and then as far as being affected by what's gone on with the Astros and the red sox she had see Sobat the Yep. Maybe I don't know why was he inside the NFL giving idea really they different guys. On the early you know Keegan Michael Keyes been on there and different guys in sports. Okay okay. You can do broadcasting now. Let's go come on man you know what it's like in entertainment at these days. Everybody's got some cross. Promoting Victor Cruz is a host of like ease. The Hollywood something or other now. Did you know that I did not know. Victor Cruz is on a Hollywood gossip. Show for him on E.. Right this is my point you guys that are good on the air and it got a little bit of shine a little bit of celebrity. They're gonNA put on anyway. No further than Michael Strahan right exactly. That's a fair point So CC did say on the show he feels like they kind of got cheated out of a title if not one but two you and talking about how late in his career could have had one maybe in seventeen or eighteen. Initially when things first came out he didn't think too much of it. But the more the information came out Really felt they were definitely affected though again and I'm only talking about seventeen. You scored three runs. I'm with Jane. Four Games there. You're not winning any games that way. You're you're just not so I get it. You WanNa feel that way. That's fine you gotta score some runs though to actually win. I'm with you on everything you said in the open I think I understand why WII moby had to come down once the information came out. But I'm sure. Let's put it this way coming from a Yankee Fan. And that's why you haven't seen me out there bitching and moaning or throwing throwing arrows or darts at the astros of the Red Sox. I'm sure somewhere along the way the Yankees have done things that weren't exactly on the up. I guess the question is do like Carlos Beltran worked for the Yankees prior to the scandal. Being blown up you know. He's with the mets now afterwards so he could have maybe told some people you know. This is what we're we're doing over there never knows if you guys want to try you know but you know for the mets what to look out for certain and Steve Phillips was all over the place yesterday straight to I think he was on with the Moose and Maggie was like some of these owners are coming down going to punishment should have been more careful xactly because once it shows up on your doorstep step than you might be singing a different tune just like Justin Burland or coming out against certain things and now he's on the other side of it here which is crazy to me because he had to have known what was going on because it was right behind their dugout right and the banging in the computers in the everything else he had to have known so all these takes he had hat on cheating he was saying that in the back of his mind knowing that his own teammates were doing the same thing while at the manager and how well coming out at the press conference basically challenging the people so I guess when you don't expect it to come out once it does it's hit you right in the face a big move by the twins reportedly inking free agent Third Baseman. Josh Donaldson four-year a year deal. That will guarantee him. Ninety two million dollars Max career is over call years ago a million thirty four years old cashes in all right so here. Here's a little. I don't know if you guys saw this. So little a trivia question so Josh Donaldson this is the most money that a guy his age has signed for in Free Agency in Baseball. Well there's one other guy who is was older and signed for for more signed right. He was older and it was more money. Total Max value you. Yeah you contract for four year for the contract so more than ninety two million Yup older than age thirty four I think about it. Sit on it for a little bit. You do the rest of the update. 'cause you can't do things at once it's fair point. CC No get the NBA locals out of the way. Because they're just a disaster. The Knicks go for the season against the speed at sold out hustle. Taj Gibson is upset with his teammates. Mike Miller upset what does seem as he calls timeout. Mike Breen on MSG and other knicks box blow out. Milwaukee led by twenty five at the half as many as thirty five scored forty three in the third quarter. Sweep the season series winning last night. One thousand eight one two Jaanus instead of Kubo thirty seven points at only twenty one minutes of action even got fouled on a three point. It's time for the first time in seven seven years when he was still playing over in Greece. That's awesome enough like that made my day today but if my game so there's this they have made all three of them. I told how we do a warm up show between five forty five and six every morning so I do the whole bedroom. GM thing. I have a blast. Doing the Games. I have not one game now not A. I don't WANNA game in about three weeks. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA bad streak so last night I'm like let's have some fun. Sons Celente the nets and I took the Knicks plus sixteen ulcers. Good Lord One Game Sixteen. Can you cover sixteen ecksteen points now. So you're telling me you're betting for with you know that's not true. I think I'd San Francisco over the weekend. I'm the only one I had. I mean just horrendous swatow now I didn't know in fairness trae young playing last night I thought he was injured. Thirty six and ten good Lord so not a Game San Francisco bet that was in a parlay. It wasn't great bed anyway but I mean over three over three. I did one last week over to make it one though. It's pathetic attic. Three Games Knicks Bucks. This year they didn't cover sixteen in any of them and I know forty four. No one is six twenty just thought the way they played the other night. I thought they'd be competitive last night. And they were not so Janas made all three of those free throws and then that ended up as a five point sequence because Alfred Payton got himself ejected with Two quick technical fouls. It's been a game as go from eight to fourteen. Something like that is it makes a difference in the game. Miller says it doesn't really matter much when you're facing a guy like you just saw there the number one team in the east. He's done that you know repeatedly so he's a he's a tough match-up he is books and NBA best thirty six and six the Knicks back in action tomorrow night hosting the aforementioned sons seven losses. Sounds right. And they're on a ten game winning streak his well nine nine who's at ten now The jazz who beat the nets last night and I knew that sounded familiar. One eight one zero seven Kenny. Atkinson says we're just not on their level yet in in Infant stages with this new team So it's GonNa take some time there I I would say right now. They're far ahead of us. We go a long way to go matched career high with twenty seven points of Mitchell. Fourteen of his twenty five in the fourth quarter Kyrie Irving did play well again. Thirty two points. Eleven assists nets will turn around. visit the sixers tonight. We'll have coverage on the fan at six fifty one other game note Kawhi Leonard Season High Forty. Three in. Just three quarters of action as the Clippers handle the cavaliers won twenty eight one zero three and then Colli live all guys after the game. I guess talking about how the Clippers have gone through this rough stretch and they've got Gel and come together and he says just be patient hard to win a championship. Just just enjoy the process and have fun. I know he says he's a fun guy but you don't exactly hear him not anything like that all that often one from college hoops for you certainly been a big week. For Clemson's Assim's bounced Scott Scott leaves it to Newman left side jumper. That's done Munson. Clemson Simpson Tigers Network. Put them up by eight with under two minutes to go and they resolve offseason third-ranked to seventy nine seventy two yet. The fans storm the cord. which I think was probably more? We're about the fact that they didn't get to do it. Saturday Chapel Hill when they knocked off. UNC back to back wins over Duke and North Carolina for the first time since nineteen ninety. Mike Chef Ski with a lot out of respect for Clemson head coach. Mike Bruce to good programs good teams. Good guys That makes it better and We we we didn't give him too. Don't get me wrong. Mentioned this Saturday's Road Win over UNC. which was Clemson's first in sixty attempts in Chapel Hill? NFL Joe Judge Judge Interviewing Mike Shula Holdover from Pat Shurmur staff for the offensive coordinator job but the giants which he held under Shurmur but of course that was mine is play calling duties couple of household names announcing thing their retirement chargers tight end Antonio Gates who last played in two thousand eighteen. He calls it a career after sixteen seasons and Panthers Linebacker Luke keithly retiring at the age of twenty eight eight. He released an emotional video. I think through the panthers website or their twitter account. Um and the quote at the beginning. Here there's only one way to play this game since I was a little kid. Play fast. Play physical unplaced strong but at this point. I don't know if I'm able to do that anymore. And that's the part that is the most difficult is I still WANNA play. But I don't think it's the right decision so it seemed like he'd been healthy shame because he's in years but a lot of concussions from the time three years ago yeah he was GonNa have a short career are just too many injuries. Feel bad for him can cautions as well with him when he hadn't had one in a couple of years but you know who knows the lingering effects that he's had from that and this is a guy who plays like he loves the game you know more than anything in his life and the step away at twenty eight you know that probably not feeling right you know. That's probably what it comes down to scary scary. Thought right does not what he wants to live his life. He's not even thirty years old for crying out loud but in short amount of time I mean this guy put together a hall of fame career career. In my opinion. I mean you know when you win a defensive player of the year When you're the captain of that team the best player in that defense for years and years and years is I mean it's going to be He'll be right there again. All of fame. Speaking of young guys thirty year old Joe Brady has reportedly agreed to become at rules offensive coordinator with the panthers after obviously obviously one very successful year at Lsu. His work with Joe Burrow he parlays that into a new job back in the NFL even though he signed an extension I guess or an agreement to remain at Lsu is going to force himself to in the draft once he tells the Bengals. He's not gonNA. You really believe that's going to happen don't you. Have you said said that. A bunch of times where the panthers pick got to be in the top ten right. Yeah I gotta find that were Eight nine eight draft order. Yeah I think there's a chance really really do believe there's a chance ally situation I do. Yeah I think there's a chance it's GonNa it's harder to do now that higher native I think that makes it worth. Oh it definitely makes. It won't no no. No I'm saying makes it worse for him like like the for the bengals rather because he grew up there he knows how inept. Those two franchises are and people have been telling him his whole life. You make it to the NFL. That inept of a franchise I know they didn't win but they were every year. They were in the playoffs. They they were a good team. I don't look at the Bengals as the browns. Let me tell you I sat next to Carson Palmer and boomers size and the other day two guys who'd had massive success with that franchise and they use those words not me all right. So if they're saying that right but what does because they played there and I think aren't they talking talking about the cheapness of the organization. Well I guess he would know that I I I just think as a fan look in outside in. I wouldn't think of those things I would just think of the success. The team has had on the field and they have not been embarrassment as an organization not an embarrassment but not at all. Nowhere close to competing for a champion. Well that's because they have faltered in the playoffs but every year had a chance they did. I mean if they don't implode a few years ago at the end of that game with what was his name God the guy at the end was it him or GonNa talk about the game against the steelers Joey Porter game that whole deal where he came out on the field was over over they had won the game and they blew it Carolina's picking seventh seven. Yeah trade into one big move seventy one give up your second round pick and you got your guy. No it's it's GonNa take a lot more than that to go from seven to. I don't know where else he would wanna go. Were a realistic thing. Maybe the chargers out in La and the NFL wouldn't have a big problem with that right. Because Yeah Phil would actually welcomed. They would they would love. I would think yeah. The chargers are sixth. I mean I. I don't know if the dolphins aren't exactly Ackley a franchise to start your life with either but there of course five and people but why not because yeah okay. It's the dolphins but the dolphins having even been the dolphins in a very very long time. But if you get the best player on the board I mean it's still a franchise. It's at a pretty good history. You've got the right coach in place sitting about how long they've had. I was the last time you have an opportunity to twenty years ago right but when Marino retired. It's still the dolphins though again. I don't look at the Dolphin. Go to Miami. Yeah it sounds like that sucks. Ain't a lot of that. The cardinals and the cardinals had some good years. They've had some rough years though. You like the looks of the guide to turn it around. That's what that's what I would think about borough in with with the bengals. Sure I think it's a bad look. If you were to do something like that I yeah. I don't look my point is that I believe that with his history he would be the type of guy that would do something. Why does the chargers a better better solution the dolphins well? I think that they've had more recent nothing but they're going into that stadium in L. A.. It's just it's La Governance Miami itself. Be All right. Miami's Miami's a different story. But I'm talking about the The bengals no way you can't compare L. A.. And I'm not comparing since she got here and you're well below the rams right now as far ars the fan base goes. Yeah and fresh in my head is like is going through such a big rebuild but I get it I mean listen. Miami's one of those franchises. It has great history. There's no doubt what about it. I mean an end to be the next great quarterback of the dolphins the Knicks after Dan Marino. Something that's appealing. It's just that there's a lot the teams like it's like the Knicks. You know what I'm saying like. Everybody hangs on his history for so long but the reality of it is that the franchise saw. And what do you. What have you guys said now for a couple couple of years? Where is that star player? That wants to come be. The Guy Might Miami's football fan. Base is not like the New York basketball win. They come now. Yeah but there's other things to do down there like here in the wintertime. If the Knicks are story people are flocking to that bill. No question giving away free stuff. You know you're right so all right we're late here here again. You got any game you left out. It's always use islanders. 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A Hump Day Effort from Jerry

Boomer & Gio

00:00 sec | 11 months ago

A Hump Day Effort from Jerry

"Allison here counting the balls. The biggest underdog wasn't those three Games was the Hornets beating the Kings. which I thought was interesting? I mean the knicks terrible. I I mean so only a favorite bike of six wins. Yeah I know but it's not like that was going to be a huge favourite. That's true all right Jerry about How about some Knicks highlights and stuff we are brought to she by the Raycatena Group? Hurry into the season of adventure. Sales Event at Land Rover Edison and the new Land Rover Marlboro little distracting as Alice. Counting is ball's right now all over overall in each canister yeah so thirty balls. You're you're a number of balls it's going to be satisfactory to you like if it falls short of third going to be a little disappointing. I think it's more than that because I got thirty right here. You got thirty in the think. There's probably close to fifty in these say. Sixty eight is to ball cylinders. Here here I think there's a lot more tree than you think. All right well while he counts his balls we've got the Yankees Introducing Garrett Cole on the fan today live coverage Wjr at Eleven A.. M Sweeney and Susan. I'm told we'll anchor that coverage so Big Day for the Yankees coming up later this morning. Nixon Hawks last night in the garden as we alluded sue a big big win for New York coming up. On a minute remaining soon hands youthful peyton Mitchell Robinson has doubled for years Mitchell Robbins all over the place last night. That was Mike Breen on on. MSG The knicks put up one hundred and forty three points as they embarrassed. The hawks one forty three to one twenty knicks their seventh win on the season. They've also won three three of their last four. Rj Barrett had twenty seven points. Ten of thirteen shooting started over three from the free throw line. One going five eight there Mitchell Robinson Mitch and him twenty two and thirteen gene interim head coach. Mike Miller so how about what Robinson's doing and did does he get credit for all of the things they're not the lead assists but without his activity activity wouldn't be able to make a lot of hustle plays here's Barrett courtesy of Msg what's been different the last week or so and we're moving the walk like I said everybody's double figures everybody scoring everybody's playing together as best you will. Yeah we got rid of that crappy coach come on. That's that's that's a different to say that here was Marcus Morris twenty two in a game since this is more like which direction you know. I'm not going to go out on and say you know we're GonNa make play but that's what we're fighting toward US notice. The goal should be fighting towards that. That's right so good attitude We mentioned young. Forty two points eight assists in the loss fifth straight for Atlanta meantime. The Nets were in New Orleans. Pelicans they blow a late lead but wind up doing everything they had to doing. Doing overtime to win temple finds a cutting Allen of the remedy slaves a town. Hey kimmy Atkinson with a punch to the air. That time is he liked the play. And why wouldn't you Chris Corinna with the call here on the fan nets wind up winning in overtime. One Zero Eight one zero one get to fifteen and twelve. On the season Spencer. dinwiddie had thirty thirty one points Jared Allen that Deng twelve points fourteen rebounds six block shots Dinwiddie says I just a good overtime session for seven point separation. A five minute period. Pretty good job so we got enough stops and he got to the line. Kenny Atkinson love and the blocks when they did come to the room. I thought we did a great to protect an arts. Because his jared Allen was there exactly right THIRTEEN STRAIGHT LOSSES FOR NEW ORLEANS. Who Continue to play without Zion Williamson? pre-game Alvin Gentry was asked where is he. What's he up to? He's quitting into work. You know he's trying to be back on the court. I think we also got to be extra careful in extra cautious that I just don't think we'd be sitting here Christmas time. He wouldn't have played. Not Though is going to be about a month or the next. I would say yes. Yeah right if he was a knick then he'd be still in a hospital very nick what kind of thing right now. Absolutely how many games do you think the Knicks in the loss column or out of the eighth seed right now for. I hate to say that before. He got I'm also six you now. That six six on a diet and Orlando's twelve and fifteen. The Knicks are Seven hundred twenty one six six games. Why bleep we should be working towards it? Why these right long way to go but he just calm down? Take a look at their next ten games and we'll see where we are I. They're not going to make the playoffs. I'm just saying it's amazing. The next thing gains five and five or six and four would be like all right. Maybe we got up there and maybe it's the coach. Maybe they're buying into it and the problem is they're or one nine forgetting. Why wouldn't quit on the season just yet in terms of that winning anything but in terms of say seven eight nine? Something like like that. The team I saw last into the Hawk stink. I get it. That was the team you describe. They're going into the season. They played tough they hustle. They had extra shots at the rim. Him they look like a basketball team. Yeah it's just the problem is even if they go five and five. They'd still be twelve and twenty six the next ten. I understand you got to chip away. They're not gonNA give us some competent basketball to watch. The Lakers have played a lot of competent basketball. They had in a fourteen game winning streak on the line last night at Indie two white Scott Pointer for the Lakers can tie the game. Rondo into the five seconds left. Rondo to white back to Rondo. 35-footer out in the Lakers. John Ireland on Lakers radio. A very rare loss for the Lakers folded folded twenty four and four one zero five one to the final score at indy. Lebron James says we played well just thought well enough the difference of winning and losing Kasan Tours Michigan's sometimes the ball You know it happens that way and that's how it happened for them last night. The win for the Pacers moves them. Ten Games over five hundred to nineteen thousand nine Clippers beat the Suns one twenty two ninety nine. They're twenty one and eight. Patrick Beverley now imagine you're the sideline reporter and you get to go. Do the Nice Post Post Game Interview and you get Patrick Beverley. You're on live. TV All is good. You Got Twenty one wins your thoughts. Now we've been around. We're trying to win as many games as possible we understand this a real competitive league in the arena on TV. Wow and times have changed a little bit. What did he say? Turn on any of these podcasts. Then you really get the the real you know. F- your download and the real language that's being used so it is what it is true chain. PODCASTS you listen to listen you can listen to any of these podcasts. Anytime I'M GONNA podcast. I let it fly because it feels great. I gotta be honest with you. I did this podcast with my old producer. Mike the segler where it's like a food delivery podcast. CAST IS UBER eats one. Oh Yeah I just let I just let it all out. It'd be able to sit. There was this recently. Oh yeah every. Every other word Dustin off if words adding said in a long long time I know the Hornets beat the Kings one. Ten One zero to Malik Monk Twenty three fourteen of which come in the fourth quarter the Ravens get count them one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve players into the pro bowl. Lamar Jackson obviously leads the charge. There the Saints get seven seven. Jamal Adams chosen by the jets. He was in for the giants and dolphins none. Giants one hundred six professional football players in New York and one made made the pro one fifty three in Baltimore. And that's right very true. Evan Ingram to the I.. R. With the foot injury the lions announced they are retaining GM. Bob Quinn Hey hey coach Matt Patricia. The Cowboy Sign Malcolm Smith Sunday jets and steelers sears. Mike Tomlin so who's under center duck. We'll start at quarterback this week I I look forward for to give him an opportunity to rebound rebound rebound rebound tune into rebound to what coach when we needed to rebound. He says nothing changes for us. We do what it is that we do. We seek victory over the weekend and week out basis translation. We're trying to win. He says he says a better giants redskins Sunday Antoine. Joe And Evan on the fan yesterday talking about about the loss of ginormous Jenkins who was waived on Then with a change for a while actually played go forth so it will definitely a shop Gilwell goodbye. He did sign with the imagine. We'll hear from him today. The thing was a shock goes to show the players and not even paying attention to what's going on well. I believe that I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of the players had no idea what was going on with him with at whole social media thing. That doesn't surprise me. So you've got that. And then you had the islanders who got out to a three one lead on the predators and before you blinked. They were behind by lot. one-timer from score the seven for Nashville as they knock it another power-play Marker Brendan Burke on MSG plus they scored eight unanswered goals and beat the aisles. Eight to three the aisles. Have their three game winning streak come to the house. We're up three nothing in this game right. Those three one they have enough. I'm sure but I guess yeah I guess so. It was eight on international came in and broke every rule and hockey against the Rangers then came in just absolutely slim downers. I'm sure we'll be here. You can talk to him about it. I guess that's pretty good. Because you've got Harris here. Yeah you guys like to talk your Harrison like eleven. Am Christie stay when he does the updates because he's a ranger guy syringe talks. Now you've got monzo in at eight thirty. You can talk some ranger hockey in the coyotes. beat the sharks three to Taylor Hall with the assist on the go ahead goal in that game devils and ducks tonight. Radio DOT COM has that.

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2000 Redraftables: The NBA Draft WOAT. With Ryen Russillo | Book of Basketball 2.0

Book of Basketball 2.0

00:00 sec | 7 months ago

2000 Redraftables: The NBA Draft WOAT. With Ryen Russillo | Book of Basketball 2.0

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Sounds like everyone's had a cup of coffee or you can go all the way down to zero point five and I sound like I'm drunk. Zero point five so there you go The spotify up connects to a lot of different cars out there. It's got a great carplay feature. I don't Wanna APP. Shame you but you should be embarrassed. If you're not at least trying out a podcast on spotify make the move. Listen to podcasts on spotify I recommend it there. You Go Coming up the two thousand redraft ables that I did with Ryan. Russillo on my podcast. The bill passed and we are rerunning it right here here. We go josh these basketball full all right. So we've been redrafting. How about the fact that we didn't realize we should be calling this. The redraft Took took a reader last week to to send an email being like hey man. Why aren't you calling these redraft? Ables like I don't know so we've done ninety six ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. One was that yeah. We're calling the redraft ables though just better. I I just thought when I yeah I duNNo. I thought that that was what it was. But I guess editor for the Poster Guy. Yeah so You can find all the old ones v the easiest way to find him as on the book basketball or you can search for Solas archive for one you can. We did this one last week. We did two thousand. The real reason we wanted to start this whole redraft. Ables thing was just to do the two thousand draft. This is our favorite draft. It is I wrote once that the best thing anyone ever said about this draft was well. At least nobody ever killed someone from this draft. I might be the the most praised you could go The the the stats are incredible. Only five guys at a fifty eight potentially could have been like a real important started out a playoff team there were seven lottery whiffs strom. Ou- swift was the number two pick. We had a Priscilla Dueling Melissa Thomas Alexander cleaves collier run for six straight picks from nine to fifteen. We had the seventeenth through twenty third picks for better than picks two through fourteen. We had the poor clippers. Who had three ten in eighteen and it turned out to be the worst draft ever so they're rebuilding thing there and there's more facts we'll get into but this draft was bad in the moment and there are lots of reasons for it Which we've talked about another pods. Where the one and done in the high scores and all that it was just depleting depleting the possible draft that said sometimes draft class. That bad luck yeah it ebbs and flows depending on the air but we do it that college because it was a lousy college year. Can you name the four best guys in two thousand National Championship Title Game? is that machine cleaves yet. There's one Mope e yeah remember. Who played they played Florida? Yeah Mike Miller at Andrew. You DONNAS has them eighteen years old Damage your big teddy dupay guy back then tire love. Teddy dupay still holding out. Hope keeping your fingers crossed but that was what we're used them. The right way cleaves sprains his ankle in the second half and still ends up being the MVP the final four but it was the first bad college basketball tournament we'd ever had. It was up until through ninety nine delivered the goods year after year. In that year's like what's going on it was like one of those summer movie seasons where there's just no good movies or like what's going on. Where the movies so good for is though by the way it felt like is oh needed something there to then be because I just think the world is oh so I wanted like whenever you were getting into arguments about which college coaches you'd like us. It's fascinating the basketball world. Like how many people think some of the biggest name coaches at the biggest name programs have had these unbelievable careers? They think. They're absolutely terrible. In game coaches rare is oh would be the guy that gets all that respect and it just goes the whole consumption of Izzo would have been dramatically different heading up. Pull that off so so this draft. The Nets had the first pig Vancouver second quarter Third Chicago fourth. Our top forward Kenyon Martin Straw mouse with Darius Miles Marcus fizer Orlando Atlanta Chicago. Cleveland next for Mike Miller Dhamar Johnson. Chris MIHM JAMAL CRAWFORD. Then we finished it out with nine through fourteen. Houston ORLANDO BOSTON. Dallas Orlando Agenda Trait Joe Priscilla candling. Jerome we so Yvonne. Thomas Courtney Alexander Mateen cleaves Jason Jason Collier with fifteen It was weird when it was happening. They're not a lot of excitement. There was enough of a dearth of prospects that Darius miles all the Senate became super exciting. He was from Saint. Louis there was some cagey stuff with him. Where it's like. This could be another cagey but if you actually watch the clips offended highschool there's no resemblance to Keiji. Aig at all. He's basically a six foot. Eleven jump shooting small forward. Who can't shoot but good athlete? Fun carried himself a certain way. But I I don't know how the K. G. things started and And just a mess all the way around when you look at when you look at just the first round which. I'm so I need to clean up something. Here I was thinking Donell Harvey Florida. Declerk is still on my mind because the ninety six draft that we did so to Clark had declared years earlier so I just WanNa make sure. I cleaned that up. Darius is big for me because he was supposed to be going to Saint Johns and Saint John's was still pretty relevant and in our tested. Just been there Eric Barclays in this draft to Eric Barclay could could score but e like a lot of guys. It's just another big time scoring undersized guard that never gets a sniff of the NBA After the first couple of years so miles was supposedly going. But you're right like I went back and watched. The beginning of this draft on youtube was a t and t broadcast which I do. WanNa bring up with later and after Kenny. Martin goes one. It's were still in this new world which you wouldn't have thought of where they're like man five straight underclassmen Darius Miles. You know and you're just like Oh that's right. It was still weird and people would be complaining like addict by Towel. Come on and be like how come you're not taking mateen cleaves. Like I remember him losing his mind. That Mateen's glazed and go after. It had this epic run. Because that's Bitel what he does. He just get Super Mad that the older kids. He's just do it ad nauseam and you're just like well. That's an honesty. Mateen cleaves went higher than he should've unit address because it. Just people kinda see teen cleaves. Adam I don't really think he's a good pro. Even though this whole class was so bad so that was kinda thing going back and watching the youtube. Cots of the draft picks in the analysis. Where even though it's two thousand which yes? It's twenty years ago but it doesn't feel that long ago. It still felt like this uncharted world of looking taking all these underclassmen so some fax Kenyon Martin. Macaroni the only guys who earned more than one hundred million in this draft only four cracked fifty wind career shares Turkoglu Make no or make Jamal Crawford. Only five played twenty thousand career minutes which is like normally that number's double figures. There were only three all stars from this draught. Michael Read is humor. Shoe-bomber GLOR- at this is even better than only three. All Stars only sixty one combined all-star minutes from this draught power. See One minutes of the All Star game dirty. That's like wait a minute. Only three I mean three. All Star selections for an entire class ever not three guys were all stars three selections and then our Research Department decided to be even meaner with that minute total. Is this Zach. No of getting him in a second. I have two more for for me. Eleven of the first fifteen picks played less than twelve thousand career minutes. Eleven of the First Fifteen Six of the first fifteen picks played fewer than three hundred fifty games. So now ZAC cramped from the ringer. He had a couple of extras here. We call the Zack's Michael read the only person who made it on Bay team. He made Ambi- thirteen This is the only time in in recent draft history like in the Monitor. The draft were only one person from a draft. Made it on a team players that we mentioned out only three all stars the second lowest total from the latter era for players for draft making the. All Star team was thirteen. So this this is this is again so the so the second lowest in the lottery era. Where we're going back to eighty five here. Yeah is thirteen all-stars thirteen all star. Thirteen All Star Games. Thirteen All Star Games. Thirteen All Star Games. This one had three games three hand. Anything else it's the only draft ever in the ladder without multihull stars. There was not a single guy who made more than one all star team and then an average of thirteen point seven career would shares the fewest for any draft in the latter air. So it's just a train wreck all the way through and through. Fortunately there's a lot of comedy Reggie theus interviewed Algebra and described them. After as quote a veteran of the lottery process. He said this with a straight face like this is a copy of it at asset. He's a veteran of the lottery process. You know that means you suck as a GM when you're a veteran ladder process. So that happened. That's the nicest way to say you suck as GM raising veteran that's like when they call Like some local radio hosts like veteran veteran local. So and so. Who's in be just means you've bounced around locally and worth a bunch to stations. So we had. We had an all staff draft night trade of Joe Priscilla for Jason Collard Future number. One that happened we had a green room. Watch with somebody who didn't even end up being good Jake Colitis who I think you were in on. Us sack elitists. Yeah he felt at twenty five because people worried about his contract. Yeah they should be worried about his talent. We had A. We had a surprising moment. When the clippers took miles third. Nobody saw that coming and he came out. It took him forever. Come out he had a cream colored suit on. Put Blue Clippers hat on it. And he did. He legitimately hug stern in a way. That in two thousand was not something we saw at the draft Sarith Hamilton and huckster in the year before this one was almost genitals generals. Now we see goodell. 's hugging everybody but normally you just shook hands maybe as shoulder tap miles went in for like a real hug like he was catching up with an uncle at Thanksgiving or something. So that made it first and then after that Charles Barkley was doing this draft and he just went nuts and the clippers and this was right after he retired. We were getting. Oh could Barclay be the next baton for these drafts? Barkley said I. Don't think the clippers are good environment from ouster terrible organization. I hope he gets out of there. The clippers are one of the problems sports. The perfect example of that. Let's all their good players go. Every year they give their fans a bad product. It just like went in on them and it was like the first exciting draft announcing moment in the history of of the draft where somebody actually was like going in We also had. Oh my favorite moment for my dad. It did did the draft our that year The Bulls took somebody named Dalibor Garage. Yeah Number Twenty Four. At this point we had the sporting news where they had. They had like mock drafts at this point in the Sporting News and my dad looked down. And he said he's not on my list and just see more confused than anything Dalibor big arch. Just it was like where did this? So yeah lot of Three years of the Bulls three years. We're going to redraft so each one Rank in the guys from super-duper stars of five quality starter is a one. All Star is a two star. This is the only draft. Were probably ever GonNa do where? There's no to star guys I think would you? Would you have one to start? Yeah I think Kenya Martin. Why would rate him as a quality star? Wouldn't rate him as an all-star would you you mean perennial all-star just like all star was there an all-star this draft. I think the answer's no Michael. Read had a really nice stretch. He did wild get going but I know once we get to him in that whole thing because he was a second rounder and I think if you look at the the cumulative stats the analytics You Know He. He holds up well compared to all these other guys so we can either do the redraft or whatever but I would like to just before we do that. I WanNa ask you because you got to do the draft and ESPN. And as I've said it two thousand you go back and you look at the production it's TNT. I'd be saying the same stuff it was. Espn 'cause they don't really care. We know Ernie's a glue guy backbone keeps the thing going in the right direction but she had John Thompson up there. Who didn't know anything about anybody? Huby who didn't know anything and then they brought by Rick Maderas for like Comic Relief and he actually it just fascinating that even in two thousand we would have the NBA draft on television. And you wouldn't really have anybody that you knew was putting in the time and doing the scouting reports and the NBA hadn't really had. I mean this is even pre chat for being on the radar. Now we have a bunch of different guys that are locked into kind of that draft thing. But I don't know what I want like I go back and watch it like Mateus said at one point. No no Huby said this. Choubey said that that our test is better as a two guard struggles as a small forward and then he turned in one of the best small forwards in the League When they were talking about like rosters and healthy and people freaking out about Christmas. I'm not going to the Bulls because the Bulls need size. And so what? The guy's doing 'cause they weren't putting any time into it. You could just tell that they're like all right. The Bulls don't have a center. They have Elton brand well. They'RE GONNA Take Chris. Mihm and like Thomson would say oh. I saw this kid play and he'd be like Oh. Wow John Thompson zone playing high school and then would follow it up with like really no depth to it so it was a bunch of people on the desk for this really important that you and I probably take too seriously and you go. That's amazing that you can have a TV product. And this isn't like it's nineteen seventy eight and two thousand and nobody. They don't have anybody there that actually like put in real depth in real scattered reports and I'm thinking is that just because nobody thought any wanted that just want big because I remember even. Espn like we'd have. Stephen Aid Have Mark Jackson van. Gundy none of those guys are watching any of this stuff and up on synergy or second spectrum breaking I remember Stephen. A there was a pick he goes. He's like I've never seen the brother play. But I hate this pick and I was like what the Fuck Lake so I don't know what I want right like. What is it that I want? Because sometimes it's up. I want maybe a boring television product. And you've got to do it and I'm sure there were times where you felt like. Hey we're doing the wrong thing. We should be doing this and the TV. I'd probably telling you you're wrong right. I feel like everybody has averill. I thought we did a good job at the draft but we everybody had a role like Bilas was the college guy which is sorely missing from the two thousand draft telecasts. You just talked about because John. Thomson's not GonNa say anything and I don't even think he was in college anymore at that point but Bilas the guy who over by the bill was the guy who had seen all these guys play and then was crunching tape on them. And doing the thing so you could trust him. Jalen. I think at least the first year was still on the college show so he was at least seeing these guys at person had feel for them but could talk more about You know like what's it like what you like college versus where you could blossom into and my thing was more trying to figure out what the teams were doing. You know and that stuff where you really need somebody out there. Who's like Oh. They're doing this because they are. Actually they have these guys eligible for free agency and they've got abroad and you just gotTa know all the moving chess pieces and that's not something you can study. You have to either know it or you don't know it And now it's something we're even like. When van Gundy was on his brain he doesn't know what the caps situation and she stupid. Shit like that. You kind of have to know that stuff on the fly because there's trades to infiltrate happens. You have to go all right. Well why they do that. Well what what's the purpose of this and and almost like react? We would on a podcast. So it's a night that has a lot of moving pieces and if you have people that aren't totally versed on at least whatever their specialty is supposed to be. It's going to go really badly but nobody can. Nobody cared in two thousand though. This wasn't like a huge event back then but I've seen ESPN lineups. Were in. I understand like I think TV executives. They err on the side of names where they go. Let's put our biggest stars on these shows and we'll figure it out but I really think if you're gonNA have a draft on and it's GonNa be five hours of the stuff like the stick in the Zang's after a while like if you don't know anything about the players Got The point where I stopped watching on TV. I did six years for radio yen. I said the only way I'm doing it as an analyst I'm not going to host it and they wouldn't. They wouldn't even let me on the radio one for a bunch of years and then after the first year they go. Can you come back next year and I was like? Yeah no problem and then you know a couple of years I did did it with Scott after the fact which is great. I mean I couldn't believe it was after the draft is done. I'm on Sports Center. Skopje Appel breaking the whole thing down and it was. You know 'cause I were pretty much non stop on it and I just watching in two thousand. I'm going this was this was considered good and that would get destroyed. It happened now if somebody said. Hey let's just put a bunch of NBA cronies on and wing it. I really like doing it. The shocking thing about it that I hated was how fast the Pigskin 'cause it's five minutes between packs so the guy walks out. He shakes hands then. He has the interview with whoever? And that's like three and a half minutes. Bilas is doing his whole breakdown. That's a prepackaged thing and then you basically have like a minute to react before the next pick. Which isn't you know you're talking like lottery. Picks like when Cleveland took Anthony Bennett that we could. We could talk about that for fifteen minutes. But it's like all right on to the next one who's number two and it's like Cleveland. Just took a guy who if they didn't take them there might have fallen out of the top ten. We should be talking about this so I wish it was. I personally think the lottery should be its own night and I would make it fourteen picks. That's it fifteen. Minutes between picks twelve minutes twenty picks. Let's really go into this and make it like a dramatic night and then do the rest of it later but I. I think I'm the only one who would probably want that. I would like it but we're wrong. We know a wrong on this because they wanted to move and they wanna get everything done and all that stuff but it should at least be for the lottery. It should be ten minutes between six or eight minutes or something. You should get more because you got so many different people on it you have now. That will just part of it. Who really is the most important thing? Because he knows all the moving pieces array stuff. But when you don't have the news guy you need a new guy you need somebody who's seen them play. And then the other thing that's tough and this is where bill is. His role is really challenging. Despite what an authority is on the college game in comparison to most people that he's sitting on the set with over the years I've watched on. Espn is that. It's really tough to go up there and just let me just pick. Lauri Markkanen right. You know because I actually think Lauri Markkanen could be okay. Set back a bit this year but like say Lauri Markkanen taken seventh and Bilas goes. This guy sucks total steph. Fraud can't can't dribble can't shoe. That's you can't really do that. Even though that would be the best it would be awesome if somebody just decided. Hey that's going to be on one of these draft shows. Nfl NBA. You know you don't have to say sucks necessarily but everything is spun into a positive because there's a very delicate thing of not wanting to ruin a kid's night well now is the big thing for Jalen especially because you could hear the people in the arena could hear us at least one of the years But jail is I. This is the best night of this kid's life. I'M NOT GONNA trash pick. I'm just not going to do it so I was in the spot. Where all right? There's bad picks and we're going to have to like dance around you know. Oh man why did they do that? But you can't guys whole families watching so it's definitely delicate balance. True true or false. Did you feel more comfortable? Trashing a euro pick just because the language barrier. Now I I loved it I I gotTa say the Most Fun. I've had on TV. Where the two drafts? I really had a good time because I was such a fan of what was happening to. It felt pretty natural to just be like sitting with two other guys are hosted doing which that pick well. Here's what I thought. And he's Kinda goes really great enjoyed. Did you say it was one of those moments despite the success? Where you have this little moment where you kind of look around and go like Holy Shit. I'm actually going to do this because it goes away. How successful you are you know. No that one because I had done the draft diaries for really from ninety seven to two thousand twelve and then all of a sudden. I'm there but the first of all we did was stern's draft. It was his last one so I saw I remember. I saw him before the draft and he just gave me we get. It was a handshake. He gave me that look like the same way. Somebody's dad would look at them when you're about to take their daughter out to the prom or something just kinda like don't fuck me on. This was one of those looks at it. Was it was hilarious. It was his last one and he was like bilking the crowd and waving you know waving them to boo him. More and all that stuff is pretty funny. If people don't know this too that stern and it's it's through the NBA media thing. But if you're going to be on the air covering any kind of NBA product. You have to fill out this form and then be approved by the League so when I did a couple Celtics Games I to fill out to stuff. And they're like you're fine and then I remember when I was trying to get on the draft show for radio before I was even allowed on. 'cause I'd still at Bennett. Espn so six. And I was like. Hey Look I go to Portsmouth I go to Orlando and then I was hosting the combine in Chicago which I did for five years ago you know can I? Can I get on this thing and I remember again? Just a lie and they're like well you know there's some people in the NBA really don't like you and so we can't get you approved to be part of an MBA broadcast product. And I was like really knowing me. I call up somebody in the NBA. That week. I go hey you guys have a problem with me over there. That's one hundred percent. Not True is even if you said so if we don't like people like you you're not an asshole you care you're a voice for the NBA type of thing. You're one of those guys that obviously loves this league to whoever told you that you're not on the broadcast because we have a problem with you straight up. Lie to your face. I was like awesome. We're GONNA do the redraft. Do you like when I take these moments to kind of do a little therapy session on something. That went wrong now because I I think I think we both love the draft and we got to be there the room for a couple of times at work it. It was still fun. It was awesome 's awesome. I loved it. I think the two thousand thirteen draft would be a great documentary. I it was SUPPO- plus you. I think that was the first draft when woes was just tweeting the picks before Espn was. I remember like going on my phone and just seeing who the next pick was second. It was either that year fourteen. One of the two I did. He just had all the picks before they were coming out the stage and he was completely bending it. Do you remember when Jeff Goodman at one point one year he had somebody in the pipeline who is just giving them the right and that was crazy because then Jeff Goodman was tweeting out every pick not as breaking news but like hey this is officially the pick and he just had it all night long because somebody he had a guy so the nets had the first pick in two thousand they took Kenyon Martin in Cincinnati. Do you want the first pick of the second pick? But he wants to go one or two. I'll go one all right. We'll Kenyon Martin go first again in our Redraft ables yes or no okay There is a case against him. Analytically here if you WANNA go for you know. He's he's behind guys. You WANNA go win. Shares that kind of stuff There's a couple people behind him. You know he was older coming in and I would say as much as I. I've always had this thought. If you're GONNA be really really good maybe not just great here but below that really really good. You're probably going to figure it out no matter what the fit but Martin and Richard Jefferson going to play with Jason. Kidd is the best thing that could have ever happened to him. It really was and I think Martin what he gave you even notch notch like. I'm probably GONNA go with him versus reds health. So I'm still GonNa Take Martin Number One. Even though there are strong arguments with like two or three other names I just I just like the whole Kenyon Martin thing even though it was probably a little underwhelming for an overall number one pick and offensively he was a non factor for a good chunk of the end of his career so I think he was a better asset the micro read. When they're both healthy he also had a knee injury and he had the microfracture surgery. Mike read blew out his ACL during the OWADO. Nine twice yeah So here's the case for K. Mart and I agree with you that it should be. I picked second best player in two finals teams. I think that matters Ruined Walker's career. He really did. And I coincidentally I wrote an airplane to Chicago with him just randomly sit next to him in mid February and didn't talk to him the whole time because I hate talking to people who get talked to all the time but then he kind of was looking at. He was sidelined near the and then. Here's a hey man you bill and so we just started talking and I was like you broke my heart and oh to like I thought we had you guys. I went to those games as a you just destroyed Antoine. And he was saying when he went into the NBA. He just started talking about it. We're landing and he's like one of the NBA. Anton was an all star in the east. And I was like I gotta gotTa beat that guy. That's going to be the guy that I'm just going to be better than them. Because if I'm better than him than on the All star in the east and if you go back and watch series like he he just kills them. Antoine couldn't figure out what to do against him his three and four in the playoffs. They made the finals three and have a really good series against the Pistons and four. They lose he was nineteen and ten solid. Good really above average defensive player that I thought like not like a defensive player of the year but definitely like an all defense kind of four any of the bigs. Any of the big could play bigger than they were and then also hang athletically with any of the premise. Just allowed you to do stuff I mean. That's why I've mentioned how much I was loved the Pistons structure of of switching guys. But you know when you can switch and not give up stuff. That's that's what Kenya was doing on top of running. I mean latest game. I gotta be honest. I really his game. He got signing traded to Denver in two thousand and four and I forgot CICIS July fifteenth. Two thousand four Denver. It's three first round. Picks up giving up two of them were lottery protected. The one the Denver picked that was in there actually was like very lightly protected. The picks ended up being joey. Graham Rinaldo balked ball. C'mon and Marcus Williams. But you know he made one hundred thirteen million. He had real value. He was also on that Denver team in nine. He wasn't one of the best reporters at that point. That almost made the finals pretty good career. Like you definitely can't call him a bus like he made. A lot of money had had some good moments so I thought that was a good pick. I had Michael Read Second I just finished with one. Kenyan thing though. I'm sorry yeah I know it's annoying but I remember you know. I love tough guys. I love the real tough guys as opposed to the fake guys that do stuff and when I asked net sky I go. You play with with Kenyan right. What's the story there? But like no no. He's all the way real. Do he goes. He actually like guys. Were fucking scared of him. Straight up Anton was and I'm like yeah but this is his teammates. Oh you guys were scared of him really. Yeah like if you would get into it and you were fucking with him in practice like he do this thing like better. Get My name motherfucker mouth and then like guys would be like Whoa. We're supposed to be on the same team here so I love hearing stuff like that. 'cause that means you know that that somebody who's not gonNA wilt so there's a cut so. I like this conversation. There's a couple of guys. Oakley was obviously the the captain of this team. But there's some guys over the years and you talk to anybody from that era and they're like they're difference between the tough guys in the game but the actual elect. Don't fuck with guys. Stackhouse was another one like that. Yeah I'd heard that too. I very set years. Yes that there's famous stackhouse stores him punching out Kirk Snyder after game and shit like that. Tony Allen. I think was like that where it's like. Yeah don't don't actually fuck with Tony. Out and like you can try. Talk Trash on the court Don't actually fuck with them because they go there and I think. Yeah Zach Randolph Zach. Randolph is another one. Don't you gotTa have a Little Fun doolittle? Trash talk but don't go too far But I wasn't having in. Kenya was legit. He definitely was like that. All right. My second pick and this would be for Vancouver's picking the spot poor Vancouver just getting slaughtered in these drafts factors not enough. Bring a team back. Vancouver support the Sonics. Would you agree? Yeah now I think we have Seattle Vancouver would be my top two picks for tavern MBA teams again so you actually think they should have a team again. Yeah I was kind of I think they got host. I think they got hosts too. I don't understand why people wouldn't want you know. Look there's there's always gonna be the Canadian thing that some guys down here. I'd rather Vancouver than a lot of cities me to Michael. Red Is my second pick. He from two thousand four through two thousand eight four seasons. He averaged twenty four game. I didn't realize it was that money. forty five percent field goal thirty seven percent from three. He was one of those old school Old School guys. From if you just put them forward fifteen years probably would have much more fun career. Probably taking eight or nine threes thirteen Mambi a and then when he tore his knee again and feel it. Oh nineties and it was over but he was the guy. Milwaukee wasn't very good in the mid two thousands. I don't think anybody was in more. Fake trades him. I know I personally threw him into about one hundred but it was always one of those. Oh you know they could package bub-bubba national get Michael Read. That could be the missing piece and he just was in that group for three four years. I like this game too that he was good. So that's my second pick now. You're up on the clock three. I'll be interested to see what you do here. I think there's like a no brainer number three pick a red blue out his his. Acl AND MC L. and the same left knee twice. Yeah and you're right. Like he has that stratego man he went off and then when it was over it was absolutely over. But he'd signed that. You've got a six year extension back then and that was the first year Lebron. I was going back and looking at the two thousand five free agency stuff and after a free agency they got Larry Hughes Donyell Marshall when they wanted read they want Joe Johnson. That I don't know he was talking about trying to recruit bosh out there which was going to be way too early. Unless they're going to try to tell him to force a trade in bully him but Yeah People Thought Michael. Read was going to go there because he went to. Yeah that's right. They thought he was going to go there. But remember the raises were bigger incrementally year to year. They are now they. They used to make more of an incentive for you to stay home with the longer deal in the better raises and read was like look. I'M GONNA stay here but team you're right like they had forty two wins because it took for a while to get red started. It was really his fourth year when he was like. Whoa this guy's awesome and then the team never won more than forty two games. Okay I guess I just wanted to use my free agency notes because I wrote them down. Sorry third pick is obvious is now. There's two names given. Who's on your board? Let's hear it well it's Miller Turkoglu. Okay and Miller is another guy when you go back. Read wasn't surprising. There's some Miller stretches where you go man he. He lit up a little bit and the second leg of his career. Kind of like Ray Allen Allen Iverson thing but I actually think I like peak Turkoglu better than Miller so How Turkoglu Okay make the case? Well if I have to start with fifteen years I love that he went to Sacramento when people were Kinda like pages in his way. It wasn't it was just like why because he's another tall white guy that's not from the states. It took a while but from Oh four zero five till two thousand ten and what he did and how he fit into that. Orlando team like I just thought he had moments during those Orlando runs where Turkey who was like an incredibly talented scary guy. I know he floats I know is rebounding numbers are pretty Ma. You know. They're just not as good as you'd want to be. But he actually became like a pretty good playmaker therefore Orlando there towards the end. I know the end. Was You know? By the time he's back in Orlando thirty three clippers last couple of years. It's Kinda over stint with Phoenix. But this is more of a talent thing where I think the peak version of Turku with somebody who could give me a tougher Buck Miller and I think he's another one that ten years later you'd be running a lot of the stuff like they were doing anyway in these playoff games for For Orlando which we did one of them on the book. A basketball game for the nine Lakers were. They're coming out setting the screen spreading the floor for him and he was pretty crafty. I I I don't totally understand. Why Sacramento couldn't figure out how to use him. And then he goes to San Antonio for the oath three or four season where they lose Bass Clarinet Fisher shot. I think they would have won the title that year and they couldn't really figured out either and it wasn't until he got Orlando that he got unleashed as this guy. Who's like I'm going to score sixteen a game? I'm GonNa make almost forty percent of my threes. I don't really need the ball at the time but but in crunch time you can kind of go to me and I'm weirdly reliable I don't understand why Sacramento couldn't figure out how to play him in page together. You would have thought like great. Put both of them out. There will see web like let's go. Would you trade them for Brad Miller for at that was that was very strange? Can I read you the names of the on in the trade? Yeah all right because I was yeah perfect. That's exactly what I was going to do right now. Because it's awesome names in this. So it's a three teamer Indiana Sacramento and San Antonio and the only thing we know for sure is that Indiana's just going to end up with white guys like what. However this plays out there getting wet guys in the trade so Indiana Trades Brad Miller to Sacramento and they trade Ron Mercer to the Spurs Turkey Turkoglu also goes to the Spurs Sacramento Trade Scot Pollard to Indiana and San Antonio Trades. Danny Ferry to Indiana. It's a it's a double Caucasian booth for the Pacers and I and Turkoglu is by far the best guy in that trade ad that I didn't join that one Brad Miller season on the kings but It seemed like a heist. I remember writing this at the time. What a heist. For the spurs like really excited Turk Lewin. The Spurs never. Really happened was until the magic that he kind of found his his place. The magic contract though was like I think at the time that was I bet you could go back and look like what are the magic doing like they're giving. Turkoglu this much money but he had only at. Oh four oh five. We're talking him being in twenty five years old and the reason I when you mentioned the Pacers getting rid of Brad Miller and you're talking about like Brad Miller was so white. He counted his two white guys. So that's why they have ferry and Pollard. Back right anybody. That packs a dip in the fourth quarter of a game. We need at least two white guys to make up for his whiteness would have been fun at Brad Miller and the artists bailer though I feel like we were cheated out of that. I'm taking Mike Miller with the fourth pick so Kenyon Martin one mike read to Turku Three Mike Number four Michael third on my board. I couldn't be happier right now. Forty one percents three point shooter career career. I mean the year that included the year five years with his luggage at the end of his career still finished over forty percent Oh five through eight Memphis on some pretty sneaky. Good Memphis teams fifteen five and five forty eight forty to seventy eight percent splits forty two percent from three that whole stretch playing a lot of minutes game five two thousand twelve finals. Seven for eight from three twenty three points you mentioned are Bada had that huge game seven and two thousand thirteen. Noord did the same thing in game five and that was one of the series that it was a four one finals. Dick Consensus now is that. Oh Yeah Miami one in five. They had it the whole way. Those first four games all can analyze one or two plays and even in game five. I didn't feel like that series was done. Nowhere came out. Shot the lights out Had THAT NOT HAPPENED. They would have gone back to okay. See FOR GAME. Six and seven so is was it a must win. Every finals game is a must win but there's a scenario where you know. Durant. It's hot in that game. Five and maybe it goes back to. Okay see now. The crowds go nuts. Who knows Lebron had at one entitled yet? There's different variables Miller shut it. All down he was awesome in that game. Probably might the jump shot. I was the most jealous of just personally like if if you could have bought somebody. Jump shot on Ebay. I think I think I would've taken Mike Miller. Who would you take? Ray Yes raise the other choice there. I really like most jump. Shot but Miller Miller is a good pick and was it close for you on on Turku Miller or were you like adamant. 'cause I was I was split going into it I always. I always liked him and I just thought he was in weird situations for most of his career that If you Kinda just did his career ten times I think there's universes where you know there's times when it could have been awesome for him You look at all the teams that could have drafted him in this draft where it goes do Jersey Vancouver Clippers Chicago Orlando Atlanta Chicago again. Cleveland I mean all those teams sucked for years. Any situation he was going to is going to be a bad situation I. It's a shame that he couldn't have just gone to a team that was good but for one year ended up in the lottery. You know where he was like just playing with good players all the time. 'cause I was thought he had a really nice feel for the game. I read you some Mike Miller Trade Trivia so. He was the last piece of the Chris. Webber Penny Hardaway Trade from eighteen. Ninety three he was the last first round pick. I couldn't believe that when I looked at up today at carried over from Nineteen Ninety Three. He was traded in two thousand three with a first round. Pick for Juergen which is a trade. That just seems abysmal. Now I can't believe they you'd have thought drew good Annetta. I for Mac Miller. Now's the other way then. He was in that crazy. Kayla of OJ Mayo. Chris Wallace fiasco where Chris Wallace. I would it have the fifth pick. Yeah and he I forget what it always. Four forty went down to five yeah he flips picks so he can end up with. Oj Mayo and gives Minnesota Kevin Love and Mike Miller both of them so somehow they eat Chris. Wallace is where the two guys that are still trying to figure that out. And then a year later He's traded with Randy four in Joe. Houses least favorite wizards bullets trade of all time Randy. Foye Mike Miller for the number five. Pick in two thousand nine. Which could have been steph. Curry Ricky. Rubio said Washington. Have it kind ends up getting it and then somehow lifts and takes Johnny? Flynn and there. You Go Four trades where the other team probably Has the fans have their feelings hurt? I really enjoyed Mike bowers game. I can't believe he's a top pick and redraft but There we are. Who Do you have for five? I just wanted to add to that that draft in two thousand eight to make sure we had it right now. That's right yet. He had wallace had five. Any traded up to get to three with Mayo in Westbrook went in between them and Westbrook at the time was like four was kind of a reach. Felt like that's his high lawsuit. Go when we do. If we do the away redraft Westbrook will be obviously four or higher but I loved Westbrook in college. I was stunned when he went for it. It's did love him I did I. Ha I have stuff written I e by big sleeper in the draft but I thought he was like just this energy guy off the bench. I didn't think it could be Russell. Westbrook I always liked the prestige in none of those guys did. Pj Carlesimo who you know. I became close. Who I was like. What was going on there he goes. I was screaming banging the table. Going Brooke Lopez's Brook Lopez's Brooke Lopez's and he goes and every time I come back to prestige press. Tb Like we really kind of loved. The idea with this guy can be. And I'm telling you like you may have liked him but like for press actually pulled the trigger on it. That's especially over Kevin Love. Yeah I watch that that. Ucla I watched a lot of that team. That you watch I Kevin Love not to be the first. Ucla Guy Off. The team at a draft was inconceivable. Westbrook was like the first like couple months seemed almost like a six-man even on the UCLA team and then he started a blossom. Was still there too. Yeah Man. That team is amazing. You know they played slower Holland style. And all that stuff. So I mean hell I I honestly think prestige taking Westbrook when he did with the actions it seriously. I think it's like one of the greatest picks of that decade. Because you have to go back and go okay. But what are you actually drafting back? Then we were still little more position obsessed. You know the same thing like what Turkoglu. In pages you're mentioning. Now you just figure it out which is kinda crazy like now. We can't do that like we already have a six ten white guy. We can't do that. We can't just put another guy out there that can shoe like the cow stupid. It was that we didn't let basketball. Have this evolution where it's a wait. Those guys are both really big and can handle and can shoot or are we just let both play right and Westbrook is is another argument. That by the way in that Miller deal Thuan was actually recycled in that trade and Brian Cardinal Walker. Who ACTUALLY MY PICK BRIAN? Cardinal The custodian AK the janitor. Aka Citizen Pain Brian. Cardinal out of purdue. Are you even serious right now? Now I just want people to freak out the Nash. Iverson thing no all right so this is where it gets a little interesting. But I do think you're gonNA go Jamal Crawford. I liked him more. I thought he'd be different. He was a guy liked a lot before this. He ended up going eighth but just the fact that he put buckets for this long up until two years ago when he was in the league last year. So I I know. He played for teams. I'm not saying you're winning any games with them but he was somebody that just you know to give you. That much also has a lot to do with the other options. That are out there. I just think Value Ham. I getting almost twenty years of shooting from the sky despite that it's a little isolation heavy. Yeah whatever. I'll take Jamal Crawford. Three six men in the year words. I had five as well. I think it's the right pick. He's one of those guys if he's like your eighth guy incredible feature six guy that that actually would. Yeah but that also means you're coach might be playing a crunch time. Yeah and it is one of your best four guys. You're not winning anything as we found out with the first ten years of his career. I always Kinda liked his game. I mean he's one of the worst defensive players of any good player the last twenty years. He's just a complete sieve. But that that thing. That was annoying with him on the Clippers. Near the end there was he really would take the biggest shot of the game. He is the Marcus smart. Addis where it's like. I got this and it's like no. I'm not even sure you should be out there with five minutes left. He's he's to me like you almost want him the way the Celtics US Daddy House. Two Thousand Eight. That's my dream Jamal Crawford scenario. Give me an awesome sixteen minutes a game instant offense and then kind of stay out of the way if I'm trying to win a title. If on seventy eight minutes left in the fourth quarter against subbed out yeah you have to. You can't play him He played seventy four playoff games. Thirty nine percent fuel goes shooter. Thirty one percent from three the other thing with him. There was this thing like that. He was as awesome three point shooter and he he just wasn't you know he was like he was the master. The four point. Play which you know. Congratulations that's great. But that's not helping me when a title. He was that good of a three point shooter and he was one of those guys that always seem like the shot was going to go in but it went in a lot less than I think people remembered. So I'm I'm sure people are listening going. Wait a second. What was wrong with Jamal Crawford? He was awesome as like sorry He's player. Isn't that Nice piece tab on a team but You know just not as good of a shooter as I think he thought he was. He played in big cities. Chicago NEW YORK Atlanta L. A. He also had a little bit of time with Minnesota Phoenix at the end. Yet a Portland running there but he likes hit all the major markets. I love that. He has a nice New York stretching there. He actually went for twenty game with the Knicks when he was twenty seven but he has become oddly overrated. A little bit. Because we've seen the crossover a million times on the Internet and it's sick. We've seen him shake people pull up from deep the fourth place. I I wouldn't say like he's not even close whenever we start going historic great shooters of all time. You're not talking about your. I think everybody really likes him. Okay that's the key point hoots love this guy so overrated like I feel guilty even saying that a little bit but the idea of him is. He's a really good player. Had A really long career. He came out really. Early was just one year at Michigan. But I think everybody loves this dude. Every time I see him on a panel or some show guys light up a little bit so he's held up a little bit higher than the fact is that you know. Look you've never I don't think of him like I never felt like Jamal Crawford was a star and I think sometimes he's talked about that way so two things there one of the most popular actual players the other players. I think he's gone a short list of just do everybody. Everybody loved them also really popular with the media and there was a year when I went the last time. He won the sixth man award or he was up for it and it was just insane that he that he was even a candidate. But I think just the media really liked him. He was always really gracious and thoughtful and awesome to everybody. And you know it's smart was well played but You know I think if he's playing thirty five minutes for you you're not you're not making round to the playoffs. I don't think My six pack. This is where it could start just for the people listening. Here's on the board right now. No particular order. Most Peterson Quin Richardson. Desmond Mason Joma Glory Darius Miles Eddie House to Shawn Stevenson Joe Pris- Bila Joe. Priscilla should've Gone Joel Brazil. I think he would have been more intimidating There's a little speedy claxton. Edward now. Hurrah UNDRAFTED Balik Allen. I like not Harare Kion Dueling. That's really what we're looking for here. So I'M GONNA go with Quinn Richardson because for two years ago. Four or five. Us Sixteen and six almost seven three is a game mid thirty six percent not great but not awful but was you know in modern times more of a three and D Guy Who could rebound a little bit a little bit ahead of his time. I liked him on the sense teams He was fun with dares miles when they were doing the tap their head thing. I think he was a a lacked teammate. In different places and his career was bad. He became kind of a contract. Figure there for the second half of it but At least I know he could contribute to a good team because we saw so. I'm taking him sex Quentin Richardson. He could have been the mixed. Maybe for five yeah. He ended up in a nice player in in a good role player. Where I think you're right. You knew kind of exactly. We were getting from him and then they did have that little. Run there with the clippers where it was just so much fun but again with. That's not necessarily what we're drafting. And that also means a Darius Miles is still available which I imagine will be available here for. Wow this draft. By the way was one of the drafts it. Kinda was like. Hey russillo little wakeup call here. Stop falling in love. The long athletic guys long length because Strom all swift is the poster child for that one love Strauss with coming out Strom swift was almost instant flame out. I was going back in Reading Billy Knight who was the GM that pull the trigger. Do you remember the head? Coach for Vancouver in two thousand was due. Jackson is Sidney Lowe. Oh yeah he was the nego like nine and forty one or some some terrible record. Six and forty two four they. I went back and read the article of them being interviewed after the pick they mentioned. Hey this guy's young like every other sentence every other sentence and one thing. I've always noticed with busts. It's unbelievable how often this repeats. Itself is that you don't play nearly will rookie year. And then what they do is they give you a ton of minutes in your sophomore year to prove that you do actually suck and you'll see so many guys that weren't good that have this real nice Bob and like you know. His best career year was his second season right and it's not because he improved and then fell off. It's because they actually gave you more shots and forced the issue with you. Ran More stuff through you just to make sure they could okay. We actually made a mistake here and so I stopped. It was Kinda my Earl Clark Reckoning Earl Clark Louisville long score did some stuff at Louisville and I go you know what but if you if you're just long and I don't see that you have real basketball skills this this draft fucking my head so bad because I stopped loving. All these really tall guys can't dribble and can't shoot the first one. Was Brad sellers going back to the eighties? Wow that's the first time where I was just out on those type of guys from that point on Kazan. J. Kind of needed Brad sellers in the late eighties. And he was a staff like He. You know he was the six eleven guy who couldn't shoot a rebound so it's like well who what's left. What are we doing? Yeah we do. Are you out there? And you and your soft so yeah. I was shocked to find out. Strom hours with played for nine seasons. I don't remember. I always say if we you and I are through the bigger basketball fans. I would love to talk to random. People should be a rigorous series. What was your favorite Strobe Mile Swift? Memory 'cause I have none. I don't remember anything about his career. They hit a dunk on Was another lsu. Guy Who also is one of my other guys tyrus Thomas Thomas. Yeah right so tires Thomas Wade. Save the auto six redraft. Because that's when we got to do because I remember I was on a flight with GM leaving. Virginia after the Portsmouth Tournament. And I go this tyrus. Thomas run because Davis had that really Nice Ryan he goes. Oh my God and he sold me on Thomas. I'm still young and impressionable. He's so because he goes not only can tie up. Thomas do all this front court stuff. You can run your offense. He's the sickest all different things and I go. I gotTa Stop Liking these guys. All the tires had a little bit more well rounded stuff in his game but yet the strom all swift memory. It was going around this week because everybody sent it to me because they know how I feel about. Strom out swift is he. Dunks on tyrus. Thomas and tires gets back to the play to try to reject it and swift. I mean the dunk is one of the best dunks you've seen in a game. It's that awesome of a dunk. But you get a little bit older you start thinking who do. I WANNA marry versus who I want to date and your evaluations get better. I haven't incredible Strom Auschwitz factory you career record in the playoffs Owen. Seven like games not net series. Never WanNa be wear seven like not playoff routes games. Oh and seven never WANNA playoff game nine seasons so who you taking seven. You didn't tell me he actually got a decent second contract by the analogous to that. But the thing is he made forty two million forty three million those good athletes who could offensive rebound would just throw you off the scent. You know you watch. Someone gave the Ed Pinkney was like that too. I picked it was way better than stromer swift. But those those lanky forwards who could like just get put back that guy. Oh and it was. It was always deceiving. Who'd he avid seven strom was done as a starter? Twenty five years old. Kath all right Going through the board here going through the board we could probably speed it up at this point of the of the redraft almost added material. You know I. I think I'M GONNA GO Eddie House. Wow I thought I was going to get them later. Eddie House. How many playoff threes? He hit entire career to guess. No I don't take guess. Guess twelve now thirty nine. I thought it was like a hundred twenty. Do It'd be low because he's not in the playoffs or many times. I just figured between the the Phoenix and the two Boston seasons. I don't know why in my head. He'd made all these streets but he was in to Boston years. Twenty nine for sixty eight from three but he helped win the title. Game Game Six. I made huge shots. This is a massive Celtics playoff. But who am I overvalue like who am I missing on? There's another draft room behind me. That's freaking out being like. I can't believe they took Eddie House who one day they found a scattering report on him. And I know I've said this story before but this report said won't shoe unless he has the basketball. I had them tense. Just just say you know my board. So it wasn't a big upset on now. Was it reach reach. Nothing now is a reach. I thought take a good. I'm going to take a good locker room guy pretty well. So that's the case for any house is Awesome Locker Room. Guy Could actually come in and make a big shot in a game. It's not it's not the wrong pick I had Desmond Mason seven so I'm GonNa take him an eighth You know like a bunch of the guys in his draft at his peak was a fifteen and five I just want to say he was enough of an asset that he was basically the centerpiece of the Ray Allen Trade because if you look at that trade it was Gary Payton News and Expiring Contract Desmond Mason for Ray Allen Ronald Berry Kevin Kelly in two thousand and three first round pick. That was like the fact that Milwaukee basically they give up their first round. Pick N Ray Allen so they could get Gary Payton for two months and Desmond Mason. So he had to evade real value back. Then unless Ray Allen is the biggest cancer in the world I didn't realize it but that's one of the Weirder trade so anyway. I'm taking him a mad. That Eddie houses off the board. Who Do you have a number nine? I look at the fact that eighty house come in and make big playoff shots that that puts him in another class. Where a lot of these guys. Even get a chance to do that. So that's why I'm Gonna I think it's a reach because I actually meant to take this guy before him and then take Eddie ouse- after but it looks like would've been Joma. Gore should have gone this late. You should've gone either. The last two picks you said that without any irony at all. No what are you talking about? A Shimomura deserves to go. Seven eight not night in the two thousand miles above the draftable is green room. Going with Eddie House really. Yeah he made an all star team minute all star team and I'm going to tell you the more I dug into the Jamal. Mcclure story the more. I realize the numbers don't don't do it. Justice so just the unquantifiable Jamal. Magor he yeah a double double with New Orleans you know I mean I kind of liked him I I am up to the tenth. Pick your pick Darius. Miles can't fall any further. I gotTa take them here. The case I dare smiles. Who did get hurt to be fair? He he is another like we talked about earlier. These guys that. I'm not sure what they did. He couldn't shoot three's Had No post up game to speak of was a career. Forty seven cents. Shooter was just a good athlete was fun to watch on a fast break had a lot of personality. I'm not really sure what the best case scenario of it was in Portland whose plan on the. Oh six blazers. Before he got hurt he was fourteen and four and a half a game basically but But had an effect that he got traded for hundred biller. When Andre Miller had a lot of value that Cooper's cavs trade and never totally happened but I just want to say I really enjoyed them. I was rooting for the whole time. And I still haven't totally given up on them. We always talk about the guys haven't given up on yet. I have no idea why I wanted it to happen so bad. I I thought he had a nice feel for the game like he was a good passer he he did. He had the right instincts he just. He was like a six foot ten. Tweeter eight six five nine. I guess I never knew what he was supposed to be. Or who is the guy? Who's the prototype that he was supposed to be following and I don't think he knew it either? Yeah because back then to. We were still doing this. Mcgrady stuff where anybody that was big and handle had a little Bit of vision. It's just a knock. It's almost insulting McGrady. How many different guys? We thought would be these next tall athletic guys. But I'm I'm with you like I remember being on the East Coast and I had a thing for Darius as I mentioned earlier because you know there was. I don't think he's ever going to Saint John's but I was always paying attention. And that's when you kind of. I started your season ticket. Thing too with the clippers right and it was fun. It was kind of like wait a minute. This team might not be very good but this could be something. That was when I got a when I got League Pass. I remember watching a Lotta them that one really fun year. It seemed like something was happening with them. Yes yeah and and. He seemed like he had a chance. It's funny I remember when I was preparing for the two thousand thirteen draft watching the Jaanus highlights of him at the Greek. Ymca when you back when Yannis was like six eight thinking that he reminded me. There's miles this is before. He grew an extra three inches when he got here. But same kind of thing. It's like what is this. This is something. It's funny how we just get attracted to those guys like There's something if he can only unlock. But now I look back miles on like. What would he have unlocked? I don't know the roadmap for him to be an all star but I'm taking stuff is so hard began. I couldn't. I'm so glad you said that because there's a version of the honest thing where you go. I'm not falling for this again right. There were plenty of teams. That also did it. It's like this draft was a draft of redheads. And then all the GM's were like blondes from here on out. Yonder say that. Y'All female either way. Yannis went fifteenth and it seemed like Pretty Fair in fact it seemed maybe two maybe two spots early but it was like all right. Yeah roll the dice with the fucking Greek head. We'll see but at that point here. We're doing that. Whatever will give this one a shot so I like the miles just. I'm happy for him too because we know that it was really rough for him. Yeah and you know. We don't know these guys but I guess I'm with you. I've always had a soft spot for him. I love reason and I'm just. I'm happy that it looks like you know he in Q. Getting a podcast. Go and all that stuff. I'm just I'm just happy Because I read into. It's just sad stuff so I'm glad for one one thing that's been lost. I think they did a six episode series of the life were. They filed the clippers around which. I can't believe is an on youtube if anyone has this on their VCR whatever like. Please put this on Youtube for America because it was a lot of like behind the scenes with with Quinn Richardson. A D miles and I remember damages their senior them getting gas. And Shit like that and it was just. I just want to hang out with these guys like these guys anyway. Let's rip through this. Who Do you have at eleven? I'M GONNA go mopey probably should have gone higher? Yeah he's what he went to. Low is overall analytics. He holds up. He's like a top seven top eight guy and You know unfortunate for him. I think you know he was always kind of an off ball guy which could leave you out a place back then a little bit too much so you weren't as active now off balls like Kinda where you WanNa be and he would have been more productive today but he had a better career. I think than you realize you know. A lot of these guys are like. Oh you know the guy stuck around. It's easy for victims of the second half of some of these careers but moby probably should've gone higher thirty seven percent career. Three point shooter. I have Wow I can't believe he's still here Joel. Priscilla I'm grabbing with the twelfth spot here Eljay was better to the lottery process. Light of the night Joe Bell. Just a veteran played played thirteen seasons. Had you know a couple moments there with Portland in the only way to nine range when they were doing the two headed monster thing at center So in Oh eight. Oh nine together. He's playing twenty three minutes a game. And averaging almost nine rebounds a game so he's just kind of one of those big white guys who Kinda knew how to put his hands up and grab a couple of rebounds and could finish a pass in the paint so I'm getting value there with at twelve with Priscilla you could do a lot worse than Joel. Priscilla the rest of the way. He's a veteran. Who have thirteen another guy that I lift on here. Marcus FIZER OH. I was always. I was always no. I'm not taking him. I just wanted to mention Pfizer. All Iowa state guys. It's kind of like the the Babe Ruth League you WanNa check the birth certificate there but he was only twenty two and he came in but immediately it wasn't gonNA work and then everybody's acquire they taking them with brand what I love about the Bulls. Remember Jerry. Krause his famous line after they broke everything up in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight which really thinking back on. It is one of the dumbest thing that doesn't get knocked enough for being one of the dumbest thing in the history of modern sports that in ninety eight they said okay. We'll find like we're sick a fill in. Mj In this whole thing. And we don't want to be the Celtics that was aligned. Jerry Krause saying we don't WanNa be the celtics hang onto these guys and then be a relevant and then have a forever rebuild. So let's just do this. They take fives or they end up. Trading brand you get another pick later on in the in the Eddy Curry Tyson Chandler thing and from ninety eight when they won their last title in one sixty games the next three years they went thirteen and sixty S. They went thirteen and thirty seven. Seventeen sixty five fifteen in sixty seven. They had one second round appearance in the twelve years after that. Nine hundred ninety eight deal and they took Pfizer who I liked but he was just too small for power forward then not quick enough and all those things he had the ACL tear. He had thirty one tattoos in March of two thousand six. That was the full count there. Also a youth minister Marcus. Fizer started in thirty five games for his career. He was also turned his life around after retired. Yeah Youth Minister Yeah. I think he was a pretty pretty sketchy as teammate. I think he was one of those One of one of those guys when he played was kind of like. Stay away from that guy and not locked in. Yeah I'm really on thin. turned his life around. I just wanted to talk about five or a little bit. Because that's another whiff I go whiff left and rightness when I think I even like you know doing a little bit more dueling might be the call. Here I'm going go key on dueling okay. It's fair could be could be a a nice man. Potentially on like a second round playoff team was gonNA take Hurrah for screens and toughness. I've always had a thing owner. Robert I I just don't think it's fair to take take him over Dueling Giraldo so still there. I don't want to end up with strom out swift and I'm not taking Pfizer or courtyard exander Speedy Claxton well so I think the right pick here is either speedy Claxton Harare just because they made plans. But I'm not GONNA do that. I'm going to go off the grid. I'm going to surprise people here. Aj Guyton. I'm GonNa Take Chris Carrawell. I'm gonNA take Demar Johnson. I see what you're doing there so if you look at his first two years. I can't do that. He was even as even before he the car accident and he was a good yeah. I'm not doing that I'll take out take a speedy claxton. 'cause in Oh three. He actually played crunch time minutes for a team. That won the title when when Parker was still in that like almost like two thousand eight Rondo. Version Tony Parker when Either those young point guards. You can't rely on them every finals game and you you kind of have to need veteran guy that can come in and kind of right. The ship speedy Claxton was there in his his His Spurs stuff. Twenty four playoff games as fourteen minutes. A game Average five again. That's all I need. He was in the rotation of a finals team. So there you go I I have him. Just a nudge over stroz swift and Jerem Louisa. Couple other names here Lavar. Postel who loved Saint John's I was Kinda like Gallon Maliki Allen Naturally I remember Khalid all mean played one season. How about the Bulls? After this. I did find some bulls articles that were bullish on their future. It's like man we got Pfizer and Crawford and we got Guidon Jake Vasco all in on. Well you mentioned the the idiotic bowls rebuild before it actually worked. They just did it for the wrong drafts. 'cause you think about it. The the in ninety nine they got the first pick out and brand two thousand they have the fourth pick in the seventh pick and then in two thousand one they flip brand for a top three pick and they had another top three picks so they ended up they had five top seven picks in a three year stretch though brand. They turned into one of those but Just really bad luck tab a fourth pick in a seventh pick in the same draft and not only gopher to but it's justifiable that you went over to it's like it's like you can have such than that. Yeah you actually. No-one should have no one. Should you know Yorick who played for The Spurs I always Kinda liked him. He came in the League. I think what he was. Twenty Four Marco. Whole couple of season ticket runs with him because he the first couple years. I the clippers tickets. He was pretty competent. I actually liked his game too. Yeah he put on some smaller guys as I would watch in the only thing I have left on this too is historically as you mentioned plenty of times and it's it's clearly thought out how horrible this is historically but I was going to look at it the teams that were drafting. Like when you look at the top six teams in this draft. How bad their starting lineups were. Yeah this the basketball is even close to being like we know. It's better now and the depth of stars and the exciting storylines and all this stuff but it's almost easy to forget like where the hell were these teams like. What were they doing the nets now that first year Martin didn't have kid it was Marbury and this actually isn't a terrible five but it Steph van Horn Kenyan Kendall Gill who was at that point on the way out Aaron Williams. It's just a role guy. Vancouver's team was SCHRIEF Abdul Rahim Bibi. Dickerson who's going to get her othello. Big Country The clippers had a twenty one year old. Odem Jeff mcginness Eric. Bykovsky although a candy and mcginnity was only played like nineteen minutes. A game the Bulls had Ron Mercer. Elk Brand or test but our test wasn't our test then now at all he's twelve game. Hoiberg. Bryce was getting fucking real minutes all year long. I mean the magic had T- McCoy at twenty one put up a twenty-seven eight five season but after him it was Daryl Armstrong Grant Hill played four games blowout law D- Brown Atlanta's lineup was Jason Terry coup coach. Seventeen Games matombo Jim Jackson and Lorenzen Wright these teams. Those are thirty guys that were playing the majority of the minutes for those six games or furloughs sixteenths. It was a talent soon and it loudly US. It lasted basically all the way till seven eight range. You can even see it if you go back and you read some of the trade value calms I did you. I'm just laying out. What the assets were in the moment and guys who are like eighteen or twenty or twenty four. It's nuts. You can't believe it. I think once we hit oh nine two thousand ten range I think things really really flipped. But you also had you know I've written about it a million times about the Too much too fast. Too Soon era from like ninety three ninety nine of all those young guys who just got too much money too fast and just didn't have the careers that they should add when you think about the two thousand season. This should have been the peak of Kenny Anderson and big dog Robinson and guys like that some of them made a Derrick Coleman. There are all these blue chip guys. That should have been in their absolute hate. And they just weren't so you're missing like probably nine to ten blue chippers. That should have been awesome and Vin Baker He's already starting to Peter Shawn Kemp's already basically played his way out of the League and you go on down the line. It's just like what happened but that's probably Start for another podcast but that was also to you. Remember the lockout in people being like. Are you guys kidding me like we started this podcast talked about guy staying in better shape? I would imagine I would give most players the benefit of the doubt of you know. Just make sure you're ready and there's GonNa be some disappointments. That was the big joke twenty years ago when a lot of these guys came back from the lockout they were never the same. Like shot camp physicals. Never the same person show after the lockout. And it's like well you just. You just didn't care but it's that's a great point though. I hadn't really thought of it that way. The too much too soon thing. I know you've written about it but it's just it's just a good reminder of you have these classes that are all supposed to replace each other but then you have this group of incredibly talented guys players. We kinda liked. And you're like what what the Hell's going on here and then you add in this class and I also noticed too when you go back and read some of the stuff how many GM's that were running some stuff and no one should really be blamed for anything after this kind of classes just went through but a lot of these guys never got jobs again. I mean billy NYC at the the Atlanta job when everyone in the world news taking Sheldon Williams Duke Five. And you're like what could you possibly that shook me for a month? I go back and watch more and more Sheldon Williams and I'm like how could anyone take this guy? V Like. There's no way this is real. And he took him fifth and there are some guys taken picks there that would never be given the job to run a franchise. The way they had twenty years ago will Just give me one movie recommendation. Before we go bombshell liked it oh interesting. Yeah the dude seriously. Shelley's they're on plan. Megan Kelly creepy good. How good that is and you know Margot Robbie you know like a change the channel. I didn't like it as much as you like behind the scenes. You always are away. You've always got out of the office so anything that has to do with like television being on the deal and I was. I was in it every day. Yeah home in the hallways you were above that seat in a field that I really liked the movie I called never rarely sometimes always which is not the most uplifting movie but I thought it was Exceptionally well done and kind of an important movie side recommend that one okay And then Ozark sees a win huge fan. I have Going backwards movie for you. Okay just quickly. I watched election with my daughter today. I fast forward. I knew there was a couple of things that I the remote ready. Just like to pause and then get through it but How old is she? She's fourteen she can handle. I don't want to be in the camera with urban stuff's happening but That movie's really fun rewire. There's certain scenes yes. There's a couple but I was on it. It was never an issue Early Alexander Payne Matthew Broderick had that FUN DRAMA. Run THERE FROM LATE NINETY S. He's in you can count on me the year later early early reese. Chris Klein being a doofus before we realized that was his only move Look at this actor. And he's not acting. This is just what he's like of but it's a really fun. Quirky Boo had seen. Wow we even did. I think a Rewatch ables ninety nine on and I wasn't on that one But I I just. I like the Alexander Payne movies. I've watched that. I watched the descendants and I'll watch sideways during the quarantine and and You know I'm not. I'm not breaking ground by saying that guy's really good but it was just fun to watch all three of those in ten days and see the progression I love sideways. Sideways is like one of my favorite movies. The last fifteen years so there you go. I saw I saw election in theater loved immediately. People thought I was a Weirdo. Because I was really on it and I think you're GonNa see this movie election movie election and a couple of girls. I mean you know. Twenty three twenty four. They're like that movie was kind of weird. Like do you not see. That's how simple it is and perfectly executed the whole deal this great like when the kid who's in the wheelchair gives the speech running for president. Vice President Yeah And it's perfectly like the way he says it and I'm like that's high school that's being in high school and the whole deal. And then yeah one of the other person like somebody else's giving a speech in like some pimple face red etiquette to eat me raw reeves in the background and then the guy playing the principles perfect. The you know the. We're not GONNA do that here. And the Principals. Perfect the whole thing. I love election and sideways is funny because I did not like it when I first saw. It was too young of too young to understand how heavy that movie is. It's it's I can watch sideways. Sideways is up there with with very few movies like watch because I just started up Shashank. I just was going through a want to see some scenes question for you. Tweeted about it. If read in the crew his lunch crew. There were close enough to Andy Defraigne to get him on roof tarring duty outside couple bottle of suds yet. Where was that crew when the sisters were beaten the hell out of them and we know what else is going on so like? I'm good for tarring but you guys can't help me out with these dudes. Well read says that I do believe those were the worst two years for Andy which is being repeatedly raped by the sisters which I think I would hope that were the worst two years but Yeah tarring happened after. I think this system has gotten kinda tired or ended that point but I think the friendships with those other guys. Kinda deepened. A little bit later. But they're still rigged as the they still rigged it he got picked. So there's a scene. It goes right from that to write to that. I so basically what I found is a problem. One of the greatest moves of our lifetime. So I'm just there's a lot of problems. I don't want to say that because I could see a movie now. It's one of one of my favorite movies ever but you could really if you're going to really start nitpicking. You could do movie. Yeah I still don't know how he knew which way to turn in the sewage pipe because left because I think the grade I'd I'd I don't think you've worked instruction enough. I think of Andy. I think you could just use people can. I could tell if something's level just by looking at it just years on the site. What he's doing he's going. I need a certain grade. Because this is a pipe dispensing outwards. He probably just felt the level. I think I would have screwed that up and gone left and then be like. Oh Fuck where is this? Where is exit? Throw up again Russillo. Stay safe we'll see in a week and And I don't know I don't know. What the next redrafted with us is going to be but but we might end up having to do. Oh three at some point may maybe not next week but at some point all right I'll We can listen to your podcast as well which you'll be doing at least one of this week and fell draft is coming. It'd be the last like real sports. Were probably going to have her for what? But anyway Good senior talk to Sinn Arthur. Thanks for listening to the two thousand redraft ables with me and Russillo coming up later this week. The two thousand one redraft ables Zach Lowe. That was an insane draft. Stay tuned for that one. Thanks as always for listening to the book of basketball pockets.

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Kendrick Perkins Full Interview 12/9

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Kendrick Perkins Full Interview 12/9

"Dell's the podcast we bring in NBA champion Kendrick Perkins you. By the way. We'll get into all the next up. We'll get into the bucks. We'll get into the Lakers. There's who the best team in the League is right now. Whether or not the bucks roster is good enough but perk. I gotta give you some more crap man. You're you're Dallas cowboys Thanksgiving what we you know. There are coming off a bunch more losses. I I got a poke the bear a little bit. I got to poke the bear birthplace. Soroti you say my tweet man. You're saying much we don't have to say I'm done with the cowboys until coach you quit you quit. You're out you're off the main way we even if we made some historical run and get into give in win the super bowl or whatever I met back in get them out of the bottom. You know sooner or later they go be with me one day. And I'm just not. Ah Perk you know. It's all love you know I I. It's funny every time I see anything. How though I think of you now so I guess I gotTa Stop? Stop doing that because you've quit and I think that's A. That's a good thing to do because I think sometimes like you know fans if if a team is depressing you just call it quits. Knicks Fans Knicks. Fans should just say. Hey we're going to punt on the rest of the season it's GonNa be a disaster in a good mood. Quit wrote it so you come you Clinton fighting. You can't say that I'm a nick. I'm saying I'm saying it's a good decision for your own health and wellbeing scout you stop wa or that perk that you stop watching the expands. Stop watching your. That's what I'm doing just this is. Let's do this. Let's move onto the next year because they're another team again at that. Just you know the fan base. You just feel bad for him because they're they're perpetually unhappy. There's always things that are going on. There are underachieving. They just fired coach Dale and we were talking in the first half an hour per click. I just don't I don't think it's his fault. I don't think you necessarily Ashley did a great job but I don't think it's his fault. What's your take on this nick situation? FYROM FIDEL the players. That are left there and what their direction is going forward. So Oh headed for coach through the He. He finally got a piece of mind so happy for finally got a piece of mind they still own. What three years of salary? So now he just breathe and I'll have to stress all the time about some big mistake and he got out of that the disaster I think about this right. The problem was that this promise team uses got here. Let me show challenge. How can you like be that hard for as GM's run front office and keep a job like I have like is nowhere in the league? That's like like they'll horrible like I pulled up. He was like he's been in front office almost over eighteen to big thing. Sixteen the US maybe even longer than that is hold so rudy says he has pictures of James Sewing bike incriminating no their explanation nation perk. I don't know why. Why else would you have given this opportunity? That's great that's great. I won't be. I won't be surprised that everyone get ed. One is going to get fired at. NC that's my preach per who will who would take that job. And I did a bad job or is it. Oh years right but we hear James Dolan gets his hands in this. You can't fire all of Jane's James Dolan's people you after work with his guys so at the end of the day but but I'll talk but now that I'm saying everyone will give five meaning even Steve Meals and Scott here like I'm saying they're gonNA clean. That's my prediction. They're gonNA Clean House at the end of the season and they're going to bring somebody else in 'cause reminder standing is like a Lotta Times though about the knicks like like like for months there and I I heard he has very little input so I think they're gonNA clean out like you gotta think about this. This top five organizations in America like pause network like what they were like four billion dollars the NBA still need the Knicks Legs Nov saying they still need organizations like this is still one and you know what I'm saying Benz Organizations in the NBA. The problem is they've they've done so many half ass rebuilds whether it's even when they bring in Bill Jackson. They had a basically throw all this money at him just to take the job. He didn't want to take the job but he was like. Oh I can't I can't can't turn down. What was it like seven million dollars a year and you know you ask anybody in you know? He wasn't rowing. All the twelve was it. I mean I I couldn't turn that job grabbed either but at some point like you gotta get the Guy who wants to do the job. He had to get somebody who's hungry and you know there needs to be full tear down like I think it would be an attractive job and we talked. We just talked about this in Begley Invest. And why if you you know you clean house on everybody. That's there and you let somebody like massage or another. Well respected the person you pay them handsomely but you let them do their job let them make the decisions because I mean. Tell me if I'm wrong guys. Is it that big of a deal if an owner isn't that involved. I think most knicks fans would say good riddance. We don't want James Dolan involves so of James Dolan hire somebody brings in a well respected person to run the team and James Dolan stays away. That's that that isn't attractive active job. That's probably the best thing for the for. The next franchise does get it just like this any any sports organization in franchise. That's right there. Sit back and let the GM today job like do you know who the Spurs. Yeah I know you yeah I know. But he's not but he's not saying stuff we don't know yeah. I agree really bother right. So He lets. RC Buford He. He leads a pop. Let them do their job and they won titans right he just in the back he just owns the team. He's just a billionaire he just claps his hands. Pay The guys give rings right. That's what he's doing. Enjoy watching thing when that issue right you look at all but look at all the owners that aw aw with the organization. It's a complete disaster even my cowboy Jerry Jones. He's a ball too. Much is a complete success. Like owners like always gotta be make the gotTa know what's going on like Steve Bum. He has people. Hey do the job. I'm just go there and have a good time to my team. All Who Rahu Rob. Ross dock do your thing Lawrence Frank deal thing and we all how good you know what I mean. That's the way it should well James to from what we understand. James Dolan is not that the only issue they have with Joe Blow. That's what I was saying. Yes but they but he has some people there that have been there for over twenty years and those guy. It's like you cannot fire those guys so when you go in if you have you want higher medical people you WanNa change the doctor you want to get a neutral. I'm not and I'm not advocating waiting for any of these people to be fired for you say I want a new strength and conditioning program you go out and that's hard work. It's hard work out there and find the right people chart you gotta pay. Hey a lot to guys who have the right credentials. You GotTa look at people who are young and hungry and want to improve everybody along the way but you go out there and you clean house like purkis saying it starts fresh but if you're not allowed to do that and you have some people you can in some people you can't. How can you get everybody on the same page? Well if you can't have your people from top to bottom had this everybody that you're associated if you have to keep twenty people from the old regime you have to keep them. I don't know what how you scale. Why do you have to keep I? I don't I think you have to you. But from what we understand from the Knicks as they keep about there's twenty people that never lose their job but that's GonNa Change so they got checked and I think it started with Biz light. I think they're going to clean house at the end of the season. Topped about cleaning in and out like is going to be jobs available. Roster spots available private person as the securities. Rj there right interesting so if that's the case then that if that is the case you have to hire the new GM as soon as you possibly can and there are moves. You don't have to fire everybody right now. No but there are moves right now that you have to make to start Getting Ready for twenty twenty one and that means that the trying to absorb contract trying to get picks trying to do things like that. It can't just be not this one foot and we're going to be competitive and one foot our like we're getting ready for twenty twenty one. It doesn't work like that. You better have a plan and I plan starts now. So he's just idea of we're GonNa let Mills Harry continue to see if they can earn their job if that's the case then you're going to lose long term. You have to make a decision and say we're cleaning house. This is what we're doing and you and that starts now then so the job search starts right now now right right but the question is who's going to search for the job like you get what I'm saying. Yeah 'cause like I play in house today the extent like who's going to search and like you know what I mean like I don't no no who's James Trolley. He has to go to an adviser. You see what I'm saying. Do we have like a middle man. That's Inbetween St. It builds a skype. Here you know what I'm saying. 'cause he's not gonNA know how to pick the right. GM right so like you say he needs a adviser so so like that's the thing like we have a middle man and then like I heard you say like bringing in Messiah you. They will have to play him. Todd doubt do it. I mean your four billion dollars like the most expensive you're the most valuable franchise in the NBA can't leave his contract retract on and honestly him the lead Toronto. They're going to. They're going to have the pay him like between seventeen and eighteen million dollar rates was he. He would be handsworth Toronto. He signed an extension. He can't leave Toronto Daleks. That's the name that people throw out there but to run I'll have him locked up. Theoretically they could trade for him I mean I I in the same way that you know in the same way that there's player empowerment. I imagine if Messiah Jury said Hey I I wanna take this nick job. They're offering me twenty million dollars a year. I think he's I think he's earned enough goodwill around that to be able to make that decision now the rappers would probably want something in return. But I'm just saying from a pure money standpoint like there's no salary cap on front front office guys like and you know that if you bring massage area and you're you're going to be successful Ebola's has that ever happened. You could trade foot gym. We say chatted it. Yeah but what as do the Knicks have trade from just offer Peyton. No No. They're not they're not doing that. It'll have to be a first round. Pick or RJ Barrett now. I'm not even talking Mitchell Center Kevin Knox or any of those guys it's gotta be RJ Berry so so rudy. Would you do that if your Messiah Jerry you WanNa Trade Rj. Barry why would you wanNA trade him for you at the Bags Rain Jerry. I assume I assume that if if messiahs taking this deal where he's getting close close to twenty million dollars a year. I'm just throwing a hypotheticals out there enough to make him leave. He's probably GONNA have a lengthy contract and this probably he's probably GonNa be. There is probably more than five years. Maybe under ten. I don't know so he's going to have time to build this thing back up. Would you rather have massage or RJ man. That's a tough call. I'd lean towards Masai I. I really would because I know that student I've seen I've seen Masai built to rosters. He knows the nuggets and the raptors Galloway's Rudy Lightning. I'm really right now. Rj Bear just. Don't like we were talking about Williams or maybe even Dhamma Ray then. Okay cool. But I'm Jay Baer just. I'm not a band aid so like I. I'm not I'm so I would I would. Who's good on the Knicks? Name One player. You would like to have on the Knicks I I. Rj Yeah Trey. You're only good player for yourself. Not The only good clip I like I like Morris Horace I like I like rj a like. Julius randle three million. I'm not taking Julius. We just ran. I'm Julius I. He building a whole rough man like me like Rj. beat replace. You Ain't got it cannot be placed right like it's not a guy that we're going to see once like in the next round all day. Aw you're acting like dig about it you think about Messiah jury saying to get me. It's going to cost you my best asset say. Why would he do that? The job is significantly worse without twenty million dollars. You would hear fantasy land. He's not doing the one thing. I would be afraid of by the way by the way I I had this weird sense. Set guys like Jaanus and be Pascal. Seok I have this weird sense. There's a there could be some loyalty. Tarp up to Messiah Jerry where I could guys. Who'd be like you know what I like? The fact that missile Jerry came up and and turn this team into a championship team. He's international guy. He's bigger the basketball. This is my opinion I think he has. High highlight expectations funds to do more than just be a president of basketball team. I really believe as important that sounds to us so I think that other people other guys around around the NBA like him going. There would make him an instant free agent destination which if you're Toronto Raptors you have to really think think about if you're willing to give him up because if the Knicks have anything remotely attractive for Free Agency which at this point they had the city city and that's it nothing else within the organization if they had the city Messiah Jerry. It'd be really interesting in twenty twenty one. What would happen in free agency? I think if you ask most knicks fans. You're you're statistically you're more likely to be a winning team with Messiah jury than you are with Rj. Ah I I really really believe that I know it'd be a tough pill to swallow I. I think the guy's proven track record of whether it's Denver whether it's it's in Whether it's in Toronto built to really good teams and even if you like Rj Barrett you think our air. It's going to be that guy that's GonNa make a major difference for instance superstar. I think we still don't know that yet. So I I kind of it's not. It's not treating rate a rookie scale contract guy. I'm not trying to weigh my best asset. That's like if you gotta remember. He's the one doing the job he has to go over there. And you got. You got a couple of things in the cupboard. The cupboards are bare. But you got a couple things. You're going to take away like your main piece. No way he does that he might give up future or I. I guess I guess from the standpoint you will give if it's if it's RJ Berry. Or unprotected I I would do. Rj Air one of those who I would do rj Dave Barrett versus unprotected. I but I you know like if it's a twentieth pick in the draft or producted lottery-protected picks. Yes but yeah. That's that's that's what you that's what you have to work with to develop a team but maybe RJ guarantees. He can do well in creations. I'm sorry for Jerry believes do well free agency but listen we right now. We've really wishful thinking. Because I don't think he's GONNA at like I don't think that brought he's locked but is it is other guys I it as qualified. That would be great for the job. That will do a better job. Would these guys don't and I think it's a lot of those guys that that's been around for a long Tom as well deserving of opportunity and the chance to golden and rebuild it prints. I agree I back real quick question. Mike Miller took the job. You have a relationship with him like my learning the same. Yeah did you guys play on the the he had with you on the cavs ever when the Bronx was I thought he was for a hot second. We'll different. It's it's different Mike Miller whose job it's not. WHO's this my door? I thought they went with. I thought they would. Mike Miller like Mike Miller Mike Miller you know the Mike Milkin. You got like fifty some years old. I was like I'm never heard. Besides Mike Miller like I know he's not coaching. 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Oh says Cogan like Lebron is not playing any games right now and I hope you believe because I am waiting time. I didn't want to be a believer. I want you watch the. NBA is in trouble when Lebron is engaged dates like this yes yes and then. Anthony Davis is on the whole look like well then the last two weeks he just moved up into somebody mighty gotta get booted out top-five NBC. I often but it's a quispe demand like the way he's done they both ends of the court like is is is is a route and they've the player may list the plan. The White Hou right now so. That's the scary report man. I'm telling you he is a decent inside. He is beast and right now. He's not like he's been expected activism him the Rondo coming off the fish like they did in the two guys I would. Kuzma has really been there like talking about like. I don't know if he accepted his row yet. But the white it how would run a Rondo. They've been producing off the bench. Like who ooh. Hey if the winds will start it just stay right if the White was starting and he was actually playing like thirty plus minutes he will probably be Onusida. Ad He will probably after like ten the twin boys in additional four black sites. If he was you taught it's getting go ahead. One thing gotta keep them coming off the bench but could you WanNa keep that hunger there. You don't want to get to satisfy brought. So I think the Lakers doing a great job with bringing them in. But he's closing games like once he comes. There is no more Seville key like East Coast Gay and what they had in line of ideal with like Rondo. Rondo a Danny Green Legrand a Bradley when he's bag hilty Ad The white defensively who. Oh ooh I find it. I find it amazing in the NBA. I don't I don't love when everybody jacks up a bunch of bad shots and it's like I'm trying to get mining and like I worked on this shot in the summer now I got this free rein to take it anytime I want. I feel like the Lakers. Maybe it's Lebron maybe it's Rondo and Lebron as a group I feel like they're like hitting their roles. Everybody is planned you to their strengths. Everyone out there trying to do too much. Now there's that doesn't always work but it works when you have Lebron in a not and and Rondo out there because those guys know like if Danny Green is at at the break and he shifts all the way to the corner and East wide it. Open that ball's GonNa find him so these guys are all playing like exactly within their role. White Howard sets a screen. He dives to the basket every every time he flies to the basket every time if he's open they're hitting them and it's important that they hit him because if they're if they don't he wouldn't do it anymore so everybody right now is hitting on all cylinders the bucks those guys all play like they still jack up a lot of bad shots in my opinion but but Janas play so hard and he has these guys playing so hard. So it's no. It's no mystery that in my opinion to hardest playing teams in the NBA. The two best teams in the NBA agree and look. I didn't even get a chance to touch on the books. But you gotta look right and I was telling us the rudy early scout outlet the the books really. They are not missing anything like think about this right so you have. Yes who's WHO's in the in the compensation as the front runner privacy. MVP and then you have. Chris Milton who say you have Eric. BLEDSOE S. O.. WHO's quietly averaged fifteen five and five and shoot forty eight percent from the field which is damn good to me for point going to be shooting forty percent from the field and then on top of that on top of that you have a you have the two Lopez brothers? So you're not lacking the civil position right and then you have shooters. You have abandoned more Gordon George. So that not missing anything. But they'll well coach and that's what we gotta get. That's what we gotta give a lot of credit soup to coach. You got a lot of coaches to boot hose and then you gotta give a lot of credit to coach Frank. Mike Vogel in his coaching staff. Also because it's like they're binding to the system right there for these guys imposition of beasts of says. Well Yes yes yes you do have Rondo. Ad Danny Green. You have all this championship pedigree over the just how fast by Q.. And I also I think that's what separates the latest from everybody. That's what made it apples to oranges. Because the ACCU has on the floor especially rest when you have one Lebron Danny Green you got all these champions and Anthony Davis. You've gotTA quit. Cook that just been back. There in the cuts wait. You know all this is like all this plays a factor and I'm taking these last four wins that they got. This has been Chris to be mad. I'm talking about in Chris. You talk about you know the bucks. Just how kind of everyone's finding the rolls around you honest. But I guess the surprise you guys. I'll start with you perk because you look at the roster outside of Janas like it's not. It's not super impressive. Eric Bledsoe is playing. Well Middleton both Lopez brothers but you know we talked about it a ton they they lost Malcolm Brogdon. They lost MIRATEC They've lost some guys and when you look at the roster on the paper. I still am surprised that they've won fourteen straight and they're this good I mean I They seem like they're getting. This is production from their role players. Is it realistic realistic to expect that from them for an entire season and into the playoffs. Yes absolutely really look they got. They got blitzed refunding that step. I got to even mentally ill too. So like he's been playing beautiful basketball for them. You got town. Oh qualify you have all these guys and like Brook Lopez one time on the phone like he called my Burros that got hit by the road like last year he finished top five in blocked shot. Yes he was shooting the trade ball but like he's defendant of paint they did. Okay you get out OUTJUMP A. You're not paying good. Yes when I'm GonNa do I'm bringing the other big Lopez big big robin. I'm going to bring him in. He's got a protective pay. Do his job like like I mean to me. The bugs don't have like a dynamic. Do Super Dynamic duo like on but like Chris Militant Eric Bledsoe like they have enough. They have often enough they make them competitive Janas in itself is the do Jaanus is to be the thing that stands out. They play at such a fast pace. They fly around the ball flies around. They make quick decisions. I don't think you can prepare for that one day but let me put put this on you right now. It's game whatever's game four series. They got bucks got to one lead scores one. Oh Two one one or two and there's two minutes ago three minutes to go in a game like the bucks they blow people out like. Are you confident that they're going to close. Zach came out yes I'm constantly. You know what because they play both ends of the scale like they can hang they they they they can get stopped eventually. Somebody's going to school for books. Like Matt Just WanNa go one to one or two miniature you say along the clock yeah two minutes ago two and a half minutes ago is two and a half minutes to go on a class they can hold a tape. WHO's GonNa Bucket for two and a half minutes like I'm nick? That confident in that has like dig. This is when it comes into sight like the win championships will ever came up with that. Like this is Trudeau about the bucks. Like they actually win a playoff game because their defense to win. Champion deep is the win them again. Declined leaks can actually win. The game did not lacking on that at all like really on both but right now so so perkier. You're a raptors guy coming in the season your I think we all are impressed with what they've done but I I'm with you. I just don't think they're in the bucks class. You are they the team in the east. That has the best chance of knocking. The bucks off though I me still can't cow philly out and you can't count Boston out like that's the that's the top four teams in each and Boston. The Los at home right no not one and he hasn't lost at home right so like that scaring so you think like this did like anyone of these series cook could come down to the game set and then might matter who got the home recorded banks like it could come down like if fill in Boston. Was the play date Boston to win. They to at home go to Philly Philly win. They two at home. Oh Boston go back for gate. You know what I'm saying like this when the peace gain six I may gain five balls to win and home field a win game six. Get home so now. You're back in Boston if the playoffs started today because boss would have whole could and not feel who's been horrible on the road got to win a game seven seven in the in the God what what was what makes people they make me Gordon. They're not just winning over there. Smacking People Lysol legs up on the way and all of a sudden it's like the twelve fifteen point Lee really does come down in. You know what I'm saying. Cerruti you you talk about say embiid and Simmons they gotta prove it to me. I don't trust them right on the bucks roster to win a a championship. Who Do you trust us to rudy? Who Do you trust us? Just just I trust you honest I I understand your points. It's about him in the last two minutes and there are still questions there but I trust you honest and that's probably right. I you know I I would have said Brogden. Maybe just the with the way. He's playing he's obviously not there anymore. I don't trust Bledsoe I like. I like both Lopez twins. I just don't I I tr- I trust them in what their roles are. But I do trust Jaanus but you don't trust bledsoe you don't trust you don't trust I gotTa Store Chilling Forber Pat Coddington and David Chen Zo. Like which one which one of the guys you're like you're going to like this down the stretch. Run down the stretch. That's the only thing I have with the boxes oxy's like I know what they're doing. Once they one nine hundred ninety one it crushed somebody one twenty seven one zero. Three crutch one thirty two eighty eight crush one zero to one eleven hundred they crush everybody but in a playoff series down the stretch. Are they going to get that wind. That's what I want to know. Maybe maybe they just steamroll everybody and they don't have to battle but they're not gonna they ain't GonNa beat the Lakers by twenty. You're going to have to close out a series and I and I still. I would like to see these guys some of these I thought. The clipper game was going to be a good game. Smack them so right now. They're rolling as a team but I'm not you know. Hey you beat somebody whatever. I'm picking on something that shouldn't even be talked about but I want to see. AM In a close game down the stretch because of what happened last year against Toronto. That's a fair question because that's something I mean like. He was asking me. If if I trust trust on this bucks roster come playoff time crunch time in a close game or a close series and I think that is the best argument. Maybe against the bucks and it's it is sort of hypothetical go away but I think it is. It is a good argument to bring up. Is that a fair. Is that fair. Do you trust this bus rock box roster in a tight game tight series one well Matt as the last year because the last year against the rap. COLETTA's go we we can't count Lash Kawais go. He's not but they melted. Burke like Milwaukee wasn't all Kawai Milwaukee melted down. Yeah they it will happen issue against against that. It won't happen this I don't see I don't think he will eat. I think he'll be led so middleton middle Lou Pants yet late in the game. Those guys were not could late but we can say that about any other team in in the east like we could say that about any of the teams like we can say about any other team in east right now. Nobody else has proven besides the raptors take the step up in the big mums. Think about this what all Jimmy Daley had no. Don't you say well Philly but because because Jimmy Butler had to step up in the hills moments them last year went to When they was planned Toronto and he he either reason that they made they even cushioned to a game seven? So I'm saying I'm saying you guys still. We could say that about anything like we could say about certainly take my is Jalen Brown yet yes. UK Yes because yes again because yeah it's okay is if a player is killed. And he's the all-star he's the approves of bill a step up player in the Postie when that's talking about the regular season right now. What about tatum? TATUM and Brown went toe to toe with Lebron. All the way to gain seven and the Brownwood. John was ridiculously good that game. He found a way to beat those guys win. Like the rest of his team did not want to be there. He found a way to get Jeff. Green the three buckets he hit Tristan Thompson late for late dunks on log when he got like. If it wasn't for ridiculous perform remember Jason. tatum drove to the basket yet. EAC right on Lebron and then in the Bronx backing win Bucket Pass Pass Puckett a uh nice play here the reason okay so so so you tell them you think that's what you have right now. No no no I'm saying you could trust him if the game is closed not Nah Nah. It'll be interesting up I agree. You can't trust them and a lot of guys you know they got. They got some big colder. Oh yeah you got that. None of Marcus Smart. He's not afraid to say the big shot so I notice I know all all is I I. I agree with you on that but I just think there's bucks team is different. I think like I can't wait to I think they can't wait to get to the POSI grossly. I like I I just. I can't do that I just think they're ready to get into the post season. I agree it's almost like he's using last year as a chip hip on his shoulder of if he if not like. You need any more motivation. But this regular season is what he is. He's a better player but I can only imagine once it gets the playoffs. He wants to prove people like Scout. I'm not I'm not saying that incorrectly. Because I do think it is a good point but I I do trust Janas I. I don't believe that last year losing four straight to the rappers is something that like is who he is. That's something that's like in his De Basketball DNA. I think that's something that he can overcome. My questions are more about whether or not the supporting cast can also live up in play consistently like the way they are now. Come a playoff series. Gal Go these guys is in the schedule. They'RE GONNA BE THEY'RE GONNA beat Orlando at home New Orleans Memphis okay. I'm just home against Dallas. And then December Nineteenth Lakers coming into the building so they they could be undefeated. And maybe the Lakers way. They're playing. It can be role in too so this could be a legendary regular season clash on December nineteenth. Ain't against the Lakers and bucks in bellows. I mean it is. It is a remarkable. How these teams right now are smacking people left and right but I hope I hope they are. I hope they are undefeated. Hey I want to ask you this because this is something you mentioned a couple of minutes ago that I didn't want to lose track of but you said that that. AD and Lebron are the best duo since Kobe. And I don't think I'd I don't I don't even know if I disagree with you. I think it's interesting statement. Statement to make so better than the better than Lebron Wade in Miami better than K. D. and Steph curry and Golden State. Like this Anthony Davis Ron. That's the best in two thousand and three. Yes we're talking about automobile. The best players to play the game in the garage. And we're also talking about Anthony Davis who could godown as like the top one of the top how to play the game right after. Tim Duncan like we're talking about a guy who could replace with a guy who could replace dirt in the Winston Kevin Garnett. We're talking about a guy who could replace those guys like when he finished his career like. We haven't seen the do all like this since Kobe shack like this is the best duo we say like last night. Those guys survive eighty points eighty points a was twenty for twenty nine from the field as crazy. And that's not all. Don't all seeds like I have seen like. This guy is putting the ball on the floor like he's making play. I think he had like six. Says Lebron finished. Those were thirty and thirteen. Like I'm I'm telling you this is this is i. I don't even think it's a question. Listen I think it's I think it's beneath Allen POWs disgusted shacking Kobe. This war because the fact that because the fact that they they complement each other so well each one makes each other better. That's like Legrand Andy Way. We're good. They were good uh but it wasn't like they complimented each other not like these guys complement each other. It's there's duo is ridiculous. I said at the beginning season. I thought that I thought Anthony Davis was the best teammate. Lebron has ever had. Maybe that's controversial. Maybe it's not and and you're right the COMP the way that they complement each other is a big factor in this. I and I think I agree with you. Guys the only thing I would bring up is you know obviously step in step in Katie. Those are two. MVP's stem time MVP. But they each other. They didn't complement each other. To your point the way that these guys do now those two is where Stephon. Katie you're on the team didn't have Klay Thompson Draymond Green. They'd be good. No doubt it'd be good. I don't think we'd be talking like dynasty or anything like that these two guys and by the way the roster her built around in which we I was killing Rob Pelinka when they were trying to make this trade and everything that happened last year the roster that they put around these guys and maybe it makes sense because Lebron is all in a d is All in and everything's going to work when the bronze all in but it's a great roster around him and make sense. Ross Hey on that on the side note while we can we bring up this a little discussion on how Spencer Dinwiddie is a better fit for the Brooklyn Nets right now and the carrier and we bring that up. Go ahead well. I don't I don't think I disagree with you either. I WanNa make this the show where everybody agrees with everybody. But I I agree with scalps gals that last week. He thinks the team in the regular season is better with Spencer. Jin with I don't disagree. The question is what happens now. Like all right so Kyrie's into combat and you know you. Dancer at Bounced Bounced Mentor did with. I'm like start me or trade me. 'cause I've established myself as demand. Make a decision on the point guard on this team would be. I've seen over here at twelve million. You got another guy at thirty five you got you make a decision as you. But there's a lot of teams right now. That want my services. I the problem is Gal choosing in Kyri. 'CAUSE 'cause 'cause Kyrie is tied to K. D. They cannot trade Kyri trade me trained me gave me rumor by the way if they trade him to Eastern Conference team like the conversation might be all star for Spencer dinwiddie conversation. It might be awesome awesome. Hey it's not it's not the right to compensation Y- only reason why he won't be Kyri comes back then. It will not be a conversation guessing. He took his team that. What the playoffs to now? They're in the playoffs. And what he's averaging like twenty four points the game. Some crazy says calorie entry isn't no compensation for every rumor though guy recode. He's going to vote for Spencer. It didn't really be and the All Star game in the famous looking. Then what you do not running which do do you guys act like. I'm against you. I'm with you on this. I'm a spencer. My question is are they scall- say that situation arises in Spencer didn't when he says I want my own team I want out. I don't WanNA play with Kyrie. I saw this floated out there over the weekend that the nets are potentially one of the trade destinations for Kevin Love. The the money would have to make the money work. You'd probably have to trade dinwiddie and a guy like the Andre Jordan. Do this no way. No no no no way. You give 'em given up specified within for Kevin love no way in this fellow player than Kevin Love today and I hate to say the truth in today's Today. That's the plan that I look at what he's done in the past incident as game I gave gave it to you. If you had to pick a guy I the billion team you're picking Spencer Dinwiddie over Kevin Love. I'm not like I'm just not fun and and I don't like having love. I think he does all the good guy I think he can make shots. I like Kevin Love. I don't think people are understanding how good Spencer Dinwiddie Dinwiddie is in pick and roll and how he puts pressure on the defense because he could see over everybody so if you come he golob it up or he can whip that. Pass out of the Corner Bide Open. And you don't WanNa dis tough when a guy can make both those plays as tough. When you're on the weak side you got jared Allen coming down the lane you've got a shooter in the corner? You GotTa make a decision and spending when he gets both guys man and by the way the way. The nets play is a perfect fit for them. If you ask if you ask their team who they want to play I guarantee you know the answer. I mean there's I I again. I'm not against guys that is a that is a major indictment on Kyrie. That is I mean. That's how if if your own locker room is once you know. Once the play the twelve million dollars a year point wants to play him more and play with him more than the thirty five million dollar. Your Point Guard even if Katie's best friend he's coming back next year. That doesn't seem to bode well for the rest of the year for the nets. Though right let me just ask you this. Let's let's play. WHO Says No? This is the new game. I love his. Who Says No who says no then we for BLEDSOE WHO Says No? I'm sorry the nets. Let's say no to that. They is not the right right right right so about where we're putting him. We're putting him right Spencer. Dinwiddie is is good. All right. Who Says No KYRIE BLEDSOE who says no the the net say no to that then? Let's get you better than that. They could do better than that. NO ONE SO I. I'm not sure the bus Lou the votes aren't I agree. They don't want they don't want anywhere near Jaanus. How about this money if the money is? Obviously the money's not equal but if the money is equal. Would you rather have Russell or Spencer Dinwiddie Dinwiddie over all supposed to deal with especially visited the pace that he plays nine days apples and oranges. I don't I'm not trying to see my point guard. Post the tape one leg in fadeaways and do what I need. I like scarcity. I need I need my point guard in the fall. Pick and roll Kushner Pace. Get this to deal with this. Hey He makes other other people he makes other guy makes people around him Beth Russell Dude he just a flat out score spins the Dinwiddie also plays both ends of the Best Walker to he plays defense. And you just see you say Garrett till you see you see you see Harris now to keep from eleven of the millennial Taurean Prince krantz. You see all these guys is just playing more freely manages that you're hoping to have fun and they're winning. They're winning game if we're doing when the Spencer Dinwiddie trade machine thing you know where I'd love to see him and perk you. Maybe you laugh at me here because I know you turn the box fan on this team a little bit more last night. MINNESOTA IS PERFECT FIT IN MINNESOTA. Like they need that guy that they I mean he. I don't know who they'd give up. You probably have to give up culver and maybe Covington which. I think I'd be interested in if I was the nets but man. That's the that's a team that needs a point guard. That Spencer Witty is a hell of an interesting team act so so really got even better. I got scared. I got even better team expensive than where right now you could you could visit did splits on the Utah Utah Jazz and replaced my comedy. 'cause right yes or no. Who says night? 'cause we plan say hey this loop land and no game is physically. There will be a better player than my conny. This yesterday right now. Yes right right now right. Now it's size comes into play man. He would be okay. I'm a big big big big Mike Conley Fan but Mike Conley He. He doesn't impact the game as much as didn't win. He does right now. You feel Spencer Dinwiddie on every possession even when he just gets it and and moves moves it you feel him on every possession. I'm telling you man when we're Kyri comes back. That watch what happened. They're going to be some. I One more scenario neria. There's just there's almo quickness who says note visit visit Dinwiddie for Patrick I would say the nets say now the nets. That's why do that but I don't know if the Clippers would do either doc rivers wings. Doc loves that that really does so love kids. Your pardon did not bitter the bitter person right there. Yeah right so so so look this. Can you imagine I listen. I love this will give you up. You'll Najan specific. It'd be a winning or the clippers as their starting point guard. I mean now that we're doing this game. I love this game. Let's let's make this thing even more spicy. Who is rather have Spencer Dinwiddie Russell Westbrook who I know? You're what Spencer would be good in Houston because what makes him good. Is Mike cline around moving the ball stuff. You've got to kind of play that style. Now and he's either okay when he comes in at the backup he's all right he's good he's good but he's like the starting point guard and he has the ball in his hand he mate everybody a threat. Everybody loves playing with him so I don't know and live and in person that get traded to Houston and I feel feel sorry for with for Russell. Westbrook you're getting set up for failure because it just it just what it is like James vowed. God it's almost it's almost turning Russell Westbrook until roads like like he went for without a guy that left. This is about a way that eight spot right now in your boys out there up. Okay she technically. They're actually which zero. Hey Hey how's the box fan. What's the box fan doing Minnesota right now? What's the bottle week is right now and you see my last night? That's eight hundred fifty. I turn my fan. I turned my acl. And I got two bucks fans. Yeah Yeah I said it Perkins. I don't think the bottom of the West I said at the bottom of the West like one through six like I'm you know after Utah Talk. There's like four five six teams that can fill those last two spots. It's going to be actually unite open. Yes you got I gotta glad to be out then me do me do asking the day. 'cause I got some quizzes the Hour I love it would what is going on with the court plays what is going on right now with Dane. I think he's got to do everything I think that's the problem. They have the wrong route. What is doing look? You can't go out for their bad answers amihai struggling. He's been struggling with is going on with him. He's been struggling over these last couple of weeks as decay but is he not healthy. I I look at it and go. They've just lost so many guys in there. I mean the fact that they're even asking Carmelo Anthony to today. It's Day to help them win games and he's been he's been better than we expected but like the fact that they have Carmelo Anthony. Maybe there are third option. Right now tells you everything you need to know about what their injuries situation his. And now Rodney Hood Tears Achilles. And he's gone. I mean they're. They're decimated by injuries. That's not an excuse for you though like that. Excuse I'm waiting on I just looking when you're small and you're carrying that low you drop sixty and lose and all that I think that wears on you when when your big you can take that pounding when you're when you're a small I don't think you can. I think it wears you out. I think they literally just peaked out. Like it. Peaked out. Like he's he's reached his his peak. And this only they need but the way that you know how they run off aww loop cuts and snap back and get all that like. If you're big is not good not smart not quick like it doesn't work they need Nurkic back back. They're not I mean I don't know where he's coming back when Zach Collins. It's coming back but those guys make their job so much better so much better so I said Portland wasn't going to be good this year like in our world we're like we don't think they're going to be good because they don't have the necessary tools to let cj and dame do they do what they need to. Do you can game plan for those guys. They need bigs and they don't have them. Yeah I mean look it just. It is crazy looking at the bottom the west though I I mean right now. Oklahoma cities in the seven spot. The sons are in the eight spot. Timber Wolves are in the nine spot. All those teams have record. Then you've got the kings regained back the spurs or a game aim and half back even the trail where just two games back It's pretty wide open at the bottom there. I mean we got excited about the sons and the T. wolves to start the season but they've sort of leveled off and have probably probably regress to what they're mean is. I still think they'll be in late but it's going to be an interesting battle there at the bottom of the western conference in guys. I want to just bring this up to you really quick before we let you go. We have a little bit of breaking news. I don't don't think it's anything Super Major. But we're speaking of the rockets. There's a report now from the athletic that it looks like Mike. DANTONIO is very unlikely to return next year as head coach of the Houston Rockets whether that be on board or the teams accord. Well it's run. The I mean I you know I think you know it clearly. Things are going well there this year and we look we were talking about Russell Westbrook and we. We're talking about Russell Westbrook last week per and I floated the idea that you said you know he set up to fail. There has numbers. He's statistically having one of the worst years of his entire career shooting twenty one percent from three his free throw percentage has plummeted and I think a lot of that does have to do with just like transitioning to playing in a James Harden type type type style and type system I said is it possible that the rockets look at this thing and go. It's not working with our with Westbrook and harden it's not working and we can't move hardened so der more is a super progressive type of GM. No no it probably doesn't happen this year but they think about moving him. No no because this is the reason that I'm not saying it's not his fall. I'm not saying it's bowl. I say it's not working so but guess what I'm saying is the reason is not working is because you have to have a coast and put them in position to be successful. That's what I said earlier to Rudy. When you have a guy like Russell Westbrook you have to change things up like you can't do the same thing you have to you? You should cowboy billy Donovan at Axiom. Hey would play. Did you. Rough roads get him. Going last year. Russ's Bedouin state was Stephen adults was coming. mm-hmm it all the way up. Almost the half court setting the screen now Russ was able to go down here Russell. Westbrook is when he's able to get the block the ball on the flocking Hosa and get to the free throw line and stuff like that he. I'll eat over the years is he is. He cannot shoot a three. So why are we surprised that he's shooting schouten such a hole opposite from the three four hundred because you have to take more like these standing around. He gives the ball with like six seconds. Left on the shot doc quad and he just had the Jack like that's like is the reason it came out that this might be. My Dad told me last season. He's not with no. You cannot just like I don't know if Houston even have I haven't seen one play like every team in the League has a sit. They have offense obsessed my rights scale Bob Salute but they have been out of time or something like that and they got something Milwaukee Soroti offensive sense like everyone asks offense upset except Iraq. Matter of fact I wanted to do. I'm come on so I'M GONNA get the crowd participation put Iraqis game because it'd be empty and You know why nobody wants to Z.. In his craziest. Because you got a Guy James Corden who's average of forty points a game right. Whatever the close to forty wants the game and he's not feeling? The rain is not like within the Houston. Astros the Astros. You can't get a ticket for weeks like why is it like that because nobody wanted to watch that type of basketball. Nobody wants to watch what you say. The rockets like you may see Iraq turning a gem. You not what I'm GonNa pretend like I do. I'll go back. I'll read. I'll read I'll wash the highlights. Nah I don't like watching it I'm with you. I think it's impressive. What he does not like watching? By the way I'm making the prediction right here Perkins will be assistant coach with T. Lou next year in Houston. Look I love you. I'm not leaving me yourself. Okay if he could you I know how you you are perk. By the way I was with Garnet last night doing the interview his new movie. It's a great movie and he does a great job in it but I I know how you are. You're like Brotherhood above everything for you and so when when win Lou comes to you you can be like Brotherhood above everything. I know how you are man. I know how you are really breaking news though it. I'm not making a joke now but not i. That was a joke was earlier today. That's not breaking new. Look because they didn't give him a contract extension Misawa so we already know he was already have to do well. Maybe maybe the Houston Rockets to call up your boy Jason. Get Him in there. Get the get the ginger clapper going and maybe things turn around and Houston. Who knows? I don't know I don't know if it's UH. Hey Big big announcement for Scallon POWs me and perk are going to be on the call on to say the Dallas game around here. You get to see Luka to we go yeah. We bigger a little bit over Luca me apart how draper's going to be on the call it's GonNa be me and it's going to be perfect. We'd be in the booth in Dallas making it happen. I list Nobel A in this. A bit is going to be a great match up too because now I get to see Luka of close like fraud rogue and talk about it was scaled but while he has a tough nights as if he got to go against the old man. Oh they'll be so big news I it's our first time but but I'm trying to get perks on where we have. NBC Sports Boston as much as I possibly can. So that's the new opera. Asa The ruling a sky appreciate that. 'cause I'm anytime I I'm available. I'm sure what he says. You WanNa Talk Shit about my cowboy. One time Muslim cowboys today. You may show you turn on Mason you turn on TV when the magic tonight. It's going to be bad but hey before game four game win streaks perk four game win streak tonight doesn't matter it's all good I they're gonNA get lasted tonight. I know they're going to get blasted. It's all I'll take the four game win streak leading up to that but they got their own problems. We don't need to worry about that. I only do without a love perky quiz doing the Celtics beat the Celtics beat beat the cavaliers. By how much tonight at every you know what people have been asking me that I feel like the cavs are going to thirteen and a half. Have I feel like the cavs are going to cover the road. It depends I mean have they quit beyond. Yeah that's the report right that the players don't like be line. They don't like the disciplinarian stuff. I I kind of lean towards that I I lean towards the the Celtics win by at least fifteen me too. I got Celtics about nineteen. The night nights the money out. Let me just say that you know how this goes there at Indiana on Wednesday in their home on Thursday so this game has a little bit of like trap game so I I'm not I wouldn't bet had it but I've my guess is it'd be like an eight point. Whatever but the cavs they they? They're they're the worst right now. Though the war watching him play like like what are you guys doing you know per you. Wash your like this ever GonNa Work Ever GonNa Watch first of all watch he just say screw it. Yeah Yeah you don't do that when I see amongst the Laos I don't even bother is that is nothing the vote them that makes me want to turn on the TV to watch the care of them. So especially if Darius Carl I mean Darius Carlin's pretty big disappointment this year scowl at a bunch of other people myself included thought he it would be in the rookie of the year. Running in. That just isn't working out so far early it's early but it's just not working out so far and then now they're now they're apparently trying to offload Kevin Love's we'll we'll see what value is around the league but perk. We've already kept you super long. We appreciate you sticking around. I think we're GonNa talk to you again. Thursday at that school will get into a bunch of other stuff. We didn't even get into the clippers today and some other things that we wanna get with you but we appreciate you hopping on his always And thank you for the gambling advice on the way out this baby for the A win. Catch up with you in Kyriacos back and see how that thing works perk. Enjoy yourself. Thanks thanks for become bay. The Rudy I get the last word he might not he might not. That would be funny as hell to if he just decided to sit out the rest of the year with that injury out of who knows I wouldn't i. I wouldn't put a pass them. You know because only for the love of the game the gas came out of the love of the game of the road. Hey go check it out by I will I alright. Thanks for listening to the scale and Pals podcast watch or listen to scale impels weekdays from eleven to one. PM Eastern Talk Radio Dot Com digital at work.

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Thanksgiving Special - Paul Bissonnette, Mike Miller, Chuck Lidell

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Thanksgiving Special - Paul Bissonnette, Mike Miller, Chuck Lidell

"Uh today's party, my take we have an extra long thanksgiving a dish in for you. If you have to work on Friday, we threw in a couple of extra interviews. So that you have something to listen to when you are sad sack going to work on Friday. We have Paul Bissonnette in the regular show. We have thanksgiving takes. We have Monday night football. The incredible Monday night football game recap. We got a little preview of the football games on thanksgiving. And then in the bonus show, we have Mike Miller. Yeah. You remember him two time NBA champion, LeBron James apologised? Memphis, head coach assistant coach and also chocolate del you have see legend on lots. So we have all that a packed packed part of my take. And before we get to all of that, you already know the cash Abbas number one app and finance. But did you realize you can get the most powerful debit card in the world with the cash apps cash card? The cashcard comes with booths feature you can get anywhere else. You. 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Folks, we have three four five days straight of football and eating and college basketball tournaments and degenerate gambling and sitting on the couch and doing nothing and trying to avoid your family. You made it I would go one step further than that. And say the year's over. Yeah. No work gets done done in corporate America between the day before thanksgiving. And I, you know for new years old on January third hold on PF t they fucked out of office. Replies. Ready? The man fucked US Thanksgiving is not turn this out. They save the too early this year to thanksgiving is a little too early this year and we're going to wake up on Monday next Monday. First of all there's nothing better than like when you have a few days off work, and you can do that thing with your where you mentally say. Like, I'll never have to work again. Like, it's only five days. That's what really is like, oh, that's probably the last time. I'll ever worked state of mind. Like, the there's a chance I may never go back to work. But Monday is going to still be November early like not at the end of November. So going to be a few days left November. It's gonna fuck you. So be ready for that. But wait you've made it when it's all you're telling me is that they're more days you get to slack off. Yeah. Does that's you. Don't see that as a problem. And then you don't have to work until I say January third. Yeah. Well, then you have the national championship game in the wildcard week well card weekend and then February second week of February. So then the combines coming up watching star grinding film. It's also a good time. Take a little vacation. Yeah. Actually, March madness. All right. So I'm done until Astor's masters the weekend before the mass yet one good work week of work in March. No. So you made it. We have an extra long part of my take for you. We have three interviews if you do have to work on Friday, we feel bad. But we've added some stuff at the end. So make sure you save it for Friday. Awesome interview with Mike Miller and chocolate del. But before we get to all that we got talking about Monday football. Yes. Some are saying the greatest regular season game in the history of NFL. I am not going to do that hyperbole. I'm just going to say it was really fucking fun. The greatest Monday night football game I've ever seen. I think unless you're Trent Dilfer who helpfully points out that actually the game wasn't that good. Because there wasn't a lot of defense. But the thing is I caught myself saying that I caught myself doing the old man take like even though I was on the edge of my seat. My dog had to go outside like halfway through the first quarter. As LeRoy, I'm not leaving this catch. You don't understand? Yeah points. There are poets someone has so many points. And so I I caught myself like talking to the dog, and I was like, well, you know, these, you know, it's not really a great day to be defense out there, LeRoy. But then I thought, you know, actually, that's not true. There are some great defense. He's to the defense. Engage. The. The was the decision maker this game. The punting game was good to everything about this game on Johnny was awesome. I want to say for the record. All you losers out there that decided you're going to stop watching football last year. You don't watch him back. You fucked up big time you dumped the nerdy looking guy in high uncle, and guess what? Now that nearly looking guy has robots and all your houses and has an army of dogs owns Amazon, and he's the only one that's gonna be able survive the nuclear Pakalitha, and you're not getting into the bunker. No, see I mean, you're right about the every little bit there. There's a couple times a lot. A lot. Tyreek hill like seventy five year touching. You. Like how does he there was no one on that side of the field? Somebody slipped. Someone slipped people who are clamoring for defense in this situation. I get the like, oh, you know, the receivers so easy and it's flag football. But this to me, it was just the two best offense is not named the New Orleans Saints playing in a game that got a little out of control and was awesome for everyone to say to sit here and be like, this is what the NFL is. Now, you forgot that the bills have to play the Jaguars on. Yeah. You forgot every other team decides the Rams the chiefs and the stakes right? Exactly. And maybe the patriots chill out like it's not going to all be like this. And I still think that you can't win a Super Bowl just being. I mean, the Rams do have like if they get to keep till he back, and they have the playmakers. I mean what Aaron Donald is doing his interior linemen is insane. I still think he's too undersized to be successful insane. But you still need to make defensive stops. And if you still have a good defense like the saints are rattling off all these winds their defense playing. Well, do you know what I mean? So I I don't I'm not going to the people who are who are yelling that this is not football anymore. I think that's a little bit of an overreaction just enjoy the fact that this was such a fun game. And not even Jason Witten and booger McFarland could ruin it. Do they tried? They did Jason definitely try it. I finally caught up with my favorite thing about Booker tweeted this out last night. But I notice it last week when booger was talking about youngsters who loves to tell the youngsters you gotta watch this was which is very helpful. There are a lot of young kids watching Monday night football. But last week he goes all you young offense of coordinators at home watching this pay attention to how these guys call said he's talking to Todd Haley, and he's talking time too. Yeah. He's basically saying him what's his name norm? But then this week he was arm. Yeah. Norm. Chow known Chow. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You guys watching hell shot been awhile. I'll Saunders watching at home. You might want to pick up some tips here. But then this week he goes all young franchises out. There you want to get a good young head coach and a good young quarterback. And he's right. He was just talking to the chargers. Yeah. Well, basically the Texans the Jaguars kanter's. Thank you really thinks. The Rams just started as a franchise like last year. He also went in on on Jeff Fisher on SPN. Jeff Fisher slender. First thing that. That he said was shame on new Jeff Fisher soda coward for thinking. It is listen, that's fine. It's like I mean, give give Jeff Fisher all the Gulf you want. It makes people feel better makes them feel like they know what they're talking about. Jeff Fisher is an misunderstood mind. People forget he went to the Super Bowl and Steve McNair. So I rest my case. That's all good points. Yeah. And also counterpoint. Yeah. Jeff Fisher guests who drafted all those guys on the Rams also he could say he has his fingerprints all over the state also coach the NFL for like fifteen plus years. So we must have been doing something. Right. Yep. I mean, you'd probably have fired if you were bad you'd get fire. Yeah. If your average you'd get fired the NFL were absolutely. Well, he is record. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to go there. It was a great game. Jared Goff is really really. Oh, yeah. Pat, Mahomes is awesome. And he's probably my favorite player to watch right now in the NFL, but you're starting to see like he does rely on that like canon of an arm. Much. He's like he's like I can make every throw up. Then and he just he he relies on a little too much, and it gets them into some trouble. The pick six where he basically was standing flat-footed and not even trying to like actually throw the ball. Like, I mean, that's that is a throw where it's like, I know my arms better than everyone. So I don't have to do the proper mechanics of throwing. And I agree with you though. He I mean, he's he's essentially a rookie. I'm calling rookie. And he's still had an unbelievable game. He obviously made some mistakes. But man that it was just back and forth up and down. There was one person who kind of ruined it for me, Andy Reid. Nope. Not handy. Read he ruined it for me. Not Andy Reid, though. It was an we're gonna talk about it with biz actually funny enough that he brought it up Darren Revell. He on these nights. He goes so insane on Twitter that it drives me and say, what was the what was the tweet. Did he delete it this this chiefs yet said like theory kill her? He tyreek hill this ENA chiefs. Needle. Needed it right away. He also had the he just kept on saying in the ultimate like advertising. This is a better version of Super Bowl. You could actually go to the bathroom a commercials, and then said some companies should've debuted an awesome commercial during this game. Could have completely owned the moment at one tenth of prices Hooper who the fuck is thinking about like, oh, man miss opportunity by all these big big timeless ration- brands this the counterpoint big night for Genesis. I'm still justices and. Yeah. It's ten smokers personal car this game better. Not be a tied ad. Tweet. I'm still going to think and then he he put in parentheses parentheses the oh in the D E L L. So just thank God. But it was good L. So it was like we're thanking Goodell. But he's also point. Thank you. Roger Goodell for moving this game from ExCo city truce Angeles prediction for thanksgiving game Redskins, six Cowboys to who the fuck even we like what the. Yeah. The Redskins defense is going to save. What the fuck can. We all chip in a quarter and convinced the NFL to give us another fifteen minutes. No. I don't know. I wanted to go to bed. Eventually, it was it was it was good game wanted to keep you know. Somebody said it was greenie his take was like I wish this game. Could go to overtime using college rules, and I was like, yeah. That would be great Mike greenberg's dumb rule changes my favorite Val. When he tries to be relatable reveal saddest guy in the office tomorrow, dude who had the under actually know the guy that I'd be under. He. Was put out of his misery early. Oh, fat yet knew he had no chance wasn't a heartbreaking loss. And I don't know. I haven't been in the corporate world for a long time. But I pretty sure the corP like you don't show up in the office. Like, hey, sitting at the water cooler being bro at the under. Yeah. Hey, Greg rigs gambling is affected his work. Again. He had the under what we do. We really want to invite really want to invite Steve to this meeting. He had the under you we have to question his decision. Make hey, boss. I can't turn these spreadsheets. I'm pretty depressed because I gambled and lost on football last night. And then as usual as usual, and then he did the final this one is like the classic, prevail. He always has to tell how because I think this is because rebels never been invited to a sports bar or out to watch a game with friends. Can I guess what it is? Yeah. Twitter is the best sports bar in. America's close is Graham has the momentum. Facebook has the revenue Snapchat has the kids leaped in has the marketing, but none of them have the ability to ride the wave of energy with the big news or sporting event like Twitter. Last night was special. I it wasn't special. I tweeted that I wanted to fuck the game in the Mt. That's not. That's not that special. It was it was like ins that tweet with. Thanks. Thanks for copying pasting der. Yes, I can directly from Twitter's marketing department right to put out the and also just costs grefell to like make sure that you Pat all the other corporations on the back real the the game was was so insane. Like at one point. I went to take a piss and granted it was along P, and I probably checked by phone while I was in their prostate from Nah, I got a great prostate. Actually, that's one thing that works real well on me. Nice heavy flow. Nice and people usually like, wow, he must p next like, well, he's probably got a unit because the flow so heavy. Yup. It's actually a little auditory trick that I pull on people. Anyway, you squeeze your dick hole. So it's like the spring saying it could spread it. I've got a healthy spray. So I come back to the couch and I missed two touchdowns. It happens. Like, this is awesome. And then in starting in the third quarter when the points just kept coming cocky of points. I started checking out the live odds. And I the odds like the line. Kept getting higher and higher for you over under. And I was like fuck it. You want me to take it at eighty. I'll take it. You want me to oh ninety two going me. And I was like let's go all the way up to one hundred two and a half. And I was like I'm gonna keep taking you keep its like that the episode of Seinfeld. Where Kramer and the guy get in the car, and they just drive it until it's empty. Yes. I was like let's keep going. She's dropped fifty burger, and it just couldn't couldn't be stopped. Yeah. It was it was a hell of a night helluva game. I still feel like I'm high from just watching the game. I mean last night was special. It was special because you are on Twitter. No, there's no place in the greatest capture the momentum and ride the wave. Yeah. When rebel sends those tweets really is like will someone please someday invite me to watch a game? The funny thing is who Terry probably cross post that on every other platform to it's probably his Facebook status. Like, we're on Twitter because you know, it's part of our job. But I'd say probably the most fun of hat is like going to games with friends and family and like doing, you know, like kinda stuff. But now Twitter about Darren just like he said that out loud to his wife couch. He's. I was like man this game. Let's let's go kids. He definitely texted her when she was in another room. He worcester. Darren has got wolf. All right. So let's do great now. Great game football is all the way back your right PF. The haters of which there were many last year, you feel stupid everyone who panicked about the fucking all the ratings and all that shit get outta here. So the Thursday games thanksgiving games. I love thanksgiving football because you have to bet on every game you have to treat because otherwise like what else are you going to do and they're always going to be leased one terrible game. And you're sitting there sweating it out and everyone in your family's like what would the game is? It's it's forty two seven. Why do you care? It's like you someone's got to score. Someone's got score the over under fucking forty fifty to tell it saw a Subaru family knows what this game. Why even watching this game in the fourth quarter? It's been over for a while. Yeah. So that's people know. Yeah. Everyone people should know. Yeah. I'm a little concerned because so the first game is at twelve thirty. Yup. Which is that just? Right off the bat. Throws me off a little bit in there. Yeah, they fucked. The bear stairs just played and the plan again. Well on short week. Yes. Yeah. Roger Goodell hates the bears. We do know if Matt Patricia is practicing outside this week. We don't know if Matt Patricia practicing outside. We also don't know if Mitch Trubisky is going to play the time of this taping. He has a shoulder, and they ask it. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he's got a shoulder. Okay. He has at least one shoulder, they the the media. The Chicago media asked Vic Fangio the defensive coordinator for the bears who starting quarterback in Egypt replied, Stafford great football, I answer. But I was pretty so could be chase Daniel which would basically make sure that I had a terrible thanksgiving because I cannot see chase Daniel's winning a football game in the national football spin zone. If he wins a game on thanksgiving chase Daniel is going to be in the league for another twenty years easily. Yeah, this is actually the biggest week of his entire Cole McCoy he's used to well, no because Colt. Mccoy's won a couple of games. But I'm seeing one primetime game. What I'm saying is the thanksgiving. Like this every backup is the same where they're made. Right. You have these opportunities to. Basically, catapult you into more and more money. So if you get a thanks giving day game, and you somehow make like a, you know, you put out a great performance people will think about that. I mean, people are still talking they're still buzzing about Matt Flynn week seventeen against the law. I was about to say if Matt Flynn's game had been on thanksgiving. They just they would have back the truck up max deal. Right. But that was a prime time game which really helped him out. Right. I'm pretty sure Lynn. Yeah. Pretty sure. Those are it was a prompt. Go absolutely not hang we get the PMT staff. See, which I was absolutely sure it was it was absolutely the night game of some sort. No the lions game yet the lions pretty sure was. Oh, absolutely. Not. I do want to point out. So it's twelve thirty you go look it up. Yeah. He's looking at you don't know how to look it up map. Lynn Packers lions. Absolutely, not absolutely. So. Yeah. So yeah. So the twelve thirty that right there throws me off a little bit. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to be on the west coast. This means this is actually this is my Waterloo. This is this is like my Vietnam. My own personal Vietnam is trying to figure out how to wake up and start watching football all day at nine thirty in the morning. Yup. It's going to be tough. I believe quagmire. I believe in you. I think you got this. No. It was not. I knew it wasn't no digging. It was week seventeen of lions retire would tie. What time does Hank doesn't know? And I'm looking at the picture right now. It's daylight there was an dome. No it wasn't. It was in Green Bay. Yeah. I know that. Yeah. Thanks way off. Matt Flynn Packers lions. It was a day game. Yeah. Totally dig him. It looks kind of dark out PF tedious admit, you're wrong ones. Come on. No, hang on. I want to wait until there's a plump shot. So I can know for sure. That's pretty dark. There's a happy new year. Graphic? I'm looking at it right now. One PM eastern January first two thousand twelve. It was snow there are you know, what it was just say, you're wrong. Let's apologize. Just admit your I'm wrong. Big cat. I'm sorry. There was snow. And that's what threw me off. Yeah. That that's that's not even because when there's white stuff on to this guy. Everything else looks darker around it. I already said I'm not gonna say twice. Yeah. All right. So the bears are minus three and a half as of the taping of the show. We don't know if if to risk group, I think he will. But there is some thoughts that he might not. I listen I love Detroit. I love the thanksgiving game into Troy to every year. Just because you get the the fat lions fans dressed up like pilgrims who were falling asleep. And Jim Nance has always like this guy little too much trip to fan. Yeah. And I who's going to do the who's going to do the the halftime we had Aretha Franklin recipes we've had kid rock. I hope we hopefully kid rock again. Hopefully kid rock yet. Yeah. Nobody dipping. Dipping yet kid rock Eminem who else is indeed twelve. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. All right. So I I don't think Sean wanted to your pick. I made all my picks on parcels sports advisors special Thanksgiving Day special. I can't remember what my picks here. You're like cook herbstreet, I don't wanna do it. I don't wanna do again. I I know I took the bears for this. No, you didn't. No you didn't over. I took the over forty four and a half right now. The bears are favored by three and a half points. I liked Paris. Okay. I like to bears the defense looks legit. Like I've been saying they're interior running game. Isn't that cameras south? You don't run north south. So yeah, I'm gonna take the bears. I think it's gonna be blowed actually. Okay. I'll take my ten. Ooh. Wow. Our words verse the Cowboys in Dallas to see words, listen, seven and a half is a lot to give to Colt McCoy Kobelco is he's a cowboy killer. I call this guy Marlboro red because he gets done. I don't know forty and a half over under. I'm gonna take I'm going to take the Redskins. Okay. Okay. I think I can't remember picking. Okay, cool under. I think I think the way to go forty and a half. Yeah. Feel like both. These teams are going to struggle off. And they both have good defenses. Yeah. So people forget whoever wins this game is going to come out of thanksgiving leading the NFC east number one in the NFC. That is I mean Jerry Jones he's going to have himself a day. Yeah. And then the last game a great game. Just because it's gonna be more points. We can complain about the you know, the NFL's becoming flag football the saints in the falcons falcons going to the saints minus thirteen for the saints. I don't know how you can take anyone against the saints at this point until they start to show any weakness. Sean Payton, we said it on Monday. He's on the fuck Utar. He doesn't care thirteen is nothing for the saints right now at Sean Payton's coaching like he's addicted to cocaine. Yeah. Like, he he has no. No fear of consequences. No. He does whatever. Fly. He can fly. You can do whatever. He's invincible. Great idea guys, Sean Payton. Yeah. Let's don't him. He'll make him. Everybody getting this room together right now. Okay. So we got him. We would align them up as a punter and he's gonna punt the ball backwards and Druze gonna catch field. No one's ever gonna see it happen. Okay. All right. So Sean paying literally thinks he's invincible. I agree. Everything in my body is telling me New Orleans, minus thirteen take them. But then that little thing is back. My head's like everybody's going gonna be taken. Everyone's little team here. Doc, your head in the spring sprinkle wrinkle the money line thout salts say the money line on the falcons all I can't resist the falcons they're right wing to play their best game. Actually, no fucking take your on intake the over. Let's say the saints in the old. Here's the thing. Sean Payton is addicted. Well, I wanna be careful I phrase this in my eyes, Sean Payton's addicted to cocaine, but the good news is it's one hundred percent pure cocaine cut within shit. So he's not going to suffer any side effects for a long time. They go ride the saints. Okay. So that is are those are Thanksgiving Day games. Tune in barstools sports advisors special Thanksgiving Day special. We had a Turkey. We had were uncensored anything else. Thank you, Stu almost let the off some ads for somebody's up. So yes. Actually did like the office on fire. I walked out of the radio show and the floor was on fire. And then he start he tried to stop on it and his shoe caught on fire. Day at the office. All right. Let's do our hot see cool throw. And then we'll get to Paul our friend business. The an interview with him. Hank want you start? Sure, I'd love to start, Dan. Okay. Thanks, Henry iheart. The fuck fifties. Assaulting me. We will I'm self baying. You we are on mealtime right now. So we're just kinda just hanging out. Got is thrown thrown shit at each other guys being guys. Well, you don't because my hot seat is healthy people like salads because Romain lettuce is basically just been banned. If you've eaten Romain lettuce because you call I you're fucked. Nobody out there who's who's listening has eaten romaine because they're all dead. Right. What is what's going on with it? It's got equal. I on what's going every every single piece of it though. It's not like sometimes. Yeah. There's like a blanket warning to all American. I was like me. Don't eat salad doing. Well. Good thing. I'm been in ketosis for awhile. All you have to do is just well night two bags of chips, just at the gym bags second ago. Mother hot seat is Michigan running back Kaurent higgin who guaranteed victory against Ohio State, which seems like the dumbest thing you can possibly. Cuts, but Jim Harbaugh, maybe his most famous moment as a Michigan wolverine guaranteed victory against Ohio State when he was a player. So it's kind of tough for any of his players to be like he can't really yell at them. I didn't know that. Yeah. So it's tough to yell at them. When you there's video evidence of you doing the exact same thing when you're twenty two years. Yeah. I really liked guarantees guarantee because it's Dulles no note, you know, it's not Hank. If you see something it means, you're guaranteeing. It's going to happen. Do you not team? The Texans won't win the Super Bowl. Yeah. What part of that? Don't you? It's awesome, actually, easy. But here's the problem. I watched the video it was like a half ass guarantee. Someone asked him do you like will you guarantee victory? And he's like, yeah. I want someone to get up there. With Jim Jim Harbaugh. I guarantee we will beat this team on Saturday or Sunday. You know, what the only thing missing is. So there are no consequences. If you miss a guarantee, which is partially. What makes an awesome? Yup. Always up your whole team like hating you. They they don't know what he blames the guarantee guy alter. No because they think they know because there's somebody that is like more immediate whoever cost them the game. There's gonna blame that guy instead. But all the players on how state or like. Yeah. We we weren't gonna come out. And then he guaranteed we all came out fired up this bad motivation leadership urban Meyer. If if you need somebody to make a guarantee, then that you're not getting your guys Mike guarantee, you hostile can't wait. Oh, my. Oh, my side. We have a guarantee offs Hank versus what's them Koran? Hagan matchup for might like this is going. He might just come out in a stretch. He might come on. This stone cold Steve Austin neckbrace in a stretcher to start the game. He he's going to have. He's going to have one of those halo things around his head with like supporting rods yet go into a race for I had the idea the other the this morning that I actually think I wouldn't put it past urban Meyer to actually die. Just so that people won't talk about his team being Pat. So he take. On the died. But you can't talk about me anymore. Yeah. Well, if he if he dies, and we don't get any pictures him eating sad Papa John's. Oh, man. It's going to be great. That's gonna be great. The macoute thrown his Memphis basketball. They got one of their assistant coaches to appear in part of my take. Yup. Day for them. Yup. What else they also signed the top high school prospect, James Weisman? Oh, wow. Why didn't you go to Duke? I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, honestly. In the interview. But I I actually their pitch where it's like they have the star NBA players coaches and be like if you want to get their come here. You know, how it makes sense? That's true. Coach K's never played a single game in the NBA, you'd think how is Jeff Capel his bag man is a Pittsburgh now. No, no, no. No, absolutely. Not. No. It's just weird. Because like he always gets the number one crew, and then Jeff Capel leaves. And now he doesn't get the number one. I mean, it makes you. Well, it makes you. Four Jeff Capel was married. Since nineteen eighty Duke won the national championship anyways. Forever. Right for the big cats. Listen to like, I think it's fair is the shine off. Swam. Yeah. I'd say so yeah, I think there's there year they're going to win it all there's no chance that they lose at all guarantee. I'm guaranteeing Duke wins. How about that Hank? We need a guarantee committee to establish repercussions for guarantees that. Don't come true. Oh, like, my pinky isn't enough. I'm not talking about your pinky m saying what happens to to Hank Hank. If his Ohio State buckeyes, don't win the kangaroo court. Yeah. It goes around. And it's actually a kangaroo just goes. And punches you in the nose? If you're guaranteed doesn't work. It's just deli. Yeah. We'll just call Delhi and he'll in our fair play. You know punch you in the face. It's not that's not an offensive word because say Australia's tax. Good. That's all right, you go. Okay. My hot seat is high school girls in Washington DC. Oh, very relatable. Yes. Because going home this weekend, very relatable to our audience is good, Hank. The real answer is because the Redskins signed Mark Sanchez to be their backup quarterback. Oh, so, you know, Mark likes to he likes to push the limits sometimes so yeah Sanchez is back at Helen has been since he's played like two thousand six he's on the bears. But he hasn't played played down. Now, it's been a while. It's been a while. Didn't he did he get popped for PD's or amend making that up? I think you might be making just just go all in on just ruining Mark Sanchez name. No. I think get PD's he might have which have been. Yeah. Very strange PD's from Mark Sanchez taking but. Yeah. So he's the backup in DC. But I think stay woke there brought him in because he's very familiar with Jason GARRETT'S playbook. People forget he was the guy that you go to games Murray. Go did they say what it was for this? Article says Mark Sanchez suspended four games for taking the most ineffective steroids of all time. Perfect. Yeah. That's such a fucking burn. Yeah. People forget Dak Prescott credits. Mark Sanchez with his development as a quarterback has Rogier not Tony Romo. Yup. So I think they just brought him into like an insight into the mind of Dak Prescott. Who's just probably anyways just thinking like Danan yogurt yogurt Dannon yogurt. Don't. So the Redskins colored gray. Yeah. Hate these guys out of running the ball. Why am I named after a porn star? Yeah. That's what goes on inside. But yeah. So Mark Sanchez there. My cool thrown is the process. Oh because the seventy Sixers just got better. Yeah. Because Marco fold says he's not gonna shoot anymore and lawyer games. His lawyer we're getting the lawyers involved lawyers are involved. That's how you know that that's how you know. The process is working when when we get judges and arbitrators and courtrooms involve. So his lawyers are saying that they're not going to have him play or practice anymore. Until his preferred specialist checks out a shoulder. Do you have a shoulder in your brain? Because that's when they should be looking at its tough. This is this is reminiscent of like the Derrick rose stuff where it's like the guy injured, or is it just a complete mental thing. And it's I mean, there's hasn't been a number one pick that has been this bad Kwami so quickly. No. But so quickly like it was he's never been good. Yes. Speaking of seventeen year olds in DC Kwami Brown. That's. Pick. He he peaked Marquel. Foltz peaked when he was on this show. Yeah. That's true. We draft. So that was actually have a pure one or one for Marquel full to just thought of this. So have you guys ever heard of Iowa SCA? Okay. Let me let me take you to score quick. It's a route that grows in the Amazon jungle, right, and you can make tea out of it. And it's like a powerful hallucinogen. Sounds like we'd well, no it's route and you make it's it's like, it's hard shrimps. You make a T. It's a lot like mushrooms crazy mushrooms, and what people do who are addicted to heroin or crack or they have severe mental problems and Independence's they go down to these Iowa's collages in the Amazon. They drink the tea, and basically they puke for two days and hallucinate nonstop pledging afraid for like forty eight hours. Yeah, it's hell week. So they're going down there and they earned their letters and their letters are. They're totally sober in that part of their mind is totally cleared out. Now, so people swear that drinking this t- in in puking in a shack for forty eight hours. It'll clear up their documentaries about that could actually probably help Marquel. Foltz because it's all in his mind. Yeah. I mean, I guess why not what else? Do you have another suggestion for no? Because his brain is just call the vice article that PF t read. Yeah. On whatever this weird thing is documenting on Netflix buddy vice land sorry. Yeah. I mean, I know I agree. It's just why not there's nothing that he can do at this point. That's like would would hurt him further. And I don't think. No, right. I mean have you seen him his shot? Looks like mine. Yeah. Right. You're shots. Okay. Man. It's gotta be. You. I know you're upset about the Matt fun thing. But don't be yourself up anymore. Well, I was I was kinda right because snow is no, no, listen when you're listening to me up in Wisconsin. In the wintertime, it gets dark really early because it's further north. Yeah. So a looks like it's nighttime. So technically the game was at twelve. It was like the sun. But like, yeah. Ju if you go up to Oslo, Norway or Oslo in Sweden, Norway or wherever it is at twelve o'clock football. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. My hot seats, are is all other football coaches because this is the year of Mike Leach, he's basically taking over and there's proven by this story the Pac twelve media day. The the you know the apple Cup since week in Washington verse Washington state and someone asked Chris Peterson was last time. He saw Mike Leach. She said the last time I saw him. I didn't really get a great chance to talk to him because he was half hour late to our pack twelve head coaches meeting, and we were all looking at our watches thinking this might not turn out good for him. He walks in with this in and out burger and milkshake all like really and waiting for someone to say something he's just happy as a claim eating away. And we're like why didn't we do? That that's really the last time. I saw him. So basically, Mike Leach is living his best life at all times. And no one can stop them. And I love every second of it. I love it so much. I now emerging for Washington state to get into the playoff just to piss off. Because think about it if Washington gets in the playoff. Well, I guess not L A signaled him loses. Okay. And what gets in their thing about Washington state? The press conferences that Mike Leach does with either saving more Harbaugh or Daboh like he's gonna make them so angry because they're all serious. They're all straight laced like football guys. You know, we're here to do. And he's he just hanging out like, oh, yeah, we're here like whatever eat are in and out and we're going to just chill. Yeah. I'm rooting for it to Mike Lees is one of my favorite guys. Why would why would anybody on the Pac twelve coaches committee expect him to show up on time? I figured you. Gotta assume that Mike leads just doesn't show up to these things in general. He's thirty minutes late is actually on time. Yeah. That's yeah. He's. Got the reverse of of Coughlin time. Yeah. Which is you show up when you damn well, please. Let other people sorta your show up when you're in and out burgers ready. Yeah. That's pretty much. It can't rush perfection. You cannot Mike cool thrown is everyone who wants to just eat and get fat for the next month. We talked about it this month, you basically can just wear sweatshirt for an entire month straight. Eat anything you want to eat. And just tell yourself that you're gonna fix it January first. Yeah. That's that's Jim years a core. Uh-huh. But this is like the home like because you know, even in October. You can't fully buy into the well, I'll start my diet January first because it's a little bit too far away. We're now in that zone where it's like, no January. First is right around the corner. And you really can let yourself go. Yeah. What we're trying to gain fifteen pounds in next month. You wanna have a contest sure he wants to you can get fattest. I mean, I'm I got a pretty good headstart. Well, we know I'm not talking about. Now that would be like me trying to play against the entire Alabama football team. What I'm saying? I'm dominant in dynasty would appreciate that. Well, yeah. And you also cheat. Well, so what I'm getting here. Couple of hawk cars. Their dodge charger. We do we could do percentage weight gain challenge is. I'm just going to do it. Because if I do it then I got to like try I just wanted. I want to convince myself that I'm not really trying but just still can kind of eat like shit. Well, why don't we just not really try? But we just see who wins to just eat. Let's just get fat. Let's just take a before. And after. All right. That sounds good. All right. Thank you in. You're going to get that with us. Candy more true to say. Tooth guys. I don't want to candy. We'll pinky is going to be gone. If. To pick my we'll pink he's going to be going February, and I'm very scalable. I will say anything. Yeah. Tooth disol-. Waas is not very good at quarterback. I swear my pick. He's staying right on the finger. It's actually my left pinkie my pinkies. Not quite a very decided. Oh, yeah. Yes. By the way, just to revisit move. You don't go. You don't go right pet member? That's your butthole picky. Yeah. Right. We talked about. It's my look at my scratching right now. Get my last good scratching talked about the bears Texans being Super Bowl. It would actually be way. Worse was Packers Texans. Yes. Like what I mean? No because no if the bears play the Texans, Texas win be I'll be devastated, regardless. So that's why I was saying. But if it's Packers Texans. But if Nexans beat the Packers, you're a little bit happy because what to cut off my pinky, but you'd be kind of happy because the pack. I would be rooting for my pinky to come. I think the worst case scenario for you would be like against some nobody team. They don't care about right? Like the Cowboys. Yeah. Maybe I would be able to get like a story written about me, Jerry Jones. We'll get let me in his booth. We gory hole it last time. He'd just he'd freeze your pinky in the turn into an ice cube. And yes served Johnny Walker on it. What have we did that? I put I put my pinkie in Jerry Jones glory hole. And that's how he chopped it off with his mouth. Yes, he bit it off. All right. Let's do our interview with a business or good friend before we get to that. A couple of quick ads eagle energy. You gotta try guys eagle energy is a caffeine vape pen all natural caffeine our competitors use synthetic caffeine. We actually got a bunch sent to us gives you a nice little kick. It's the all natural plant based flavor. No sugar or calories gets into your system immediately as opposed to coffee and energy, energy drinks. 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Welcome on Paul Bissonnette. He is a member of the Zona coyotes organization, and he also is a co host of the very very popular, spitting chiklis podcast. You got to download it right now. He is the second most attractive guy on the show biz. Thank you for calling in. I want to start with the NFL game actually on Monday night football. Do you now like football more than hockey because you said this is the greatest game ever? No as far as television. One hundred percent NFL is my favorite sport to watch as far as live, nothing even come close to hockey. So I just want to kind of clarify that. And also I kind of have a bit of a complaint. I was I was put on hold before either complain about a year. So I see my complaint about where I look don't complain. Tuck me on my show. Complaint after okay, my complain about you is that you didn't tell us which one of the nine products were supposed to be plugging you for that you advertise before you came on. So which one's which one's we're talking about here. That's funny. That's funny. You say that killer hall was on recently. And he called me a used car salesman. No, it's it's cool. I've I've been contemplating whether I'm going to tweet out his number or not for that. But back to my complaint, I was left on hold for about a minute and a half without any type of music. It was just straight nothing. Yeah. You don't strike me as a guy that does well with alone with his thoughts on on on the acceptable. So biz we wanted to get you on wanna talk a little hockey. Also, like, I said wanted to talk a little NFL. I actually won't. I had another NFL question for you just did a recently in the last month or so a big video series with Jalen Ramsey and my right? Yeah. He's awesome. Okay. So you spend some time with him. You showed them the game. A hockey is his claim still off base that he could play hockey if he wanted to I I would think that if he had six months of leak training far becoming hockey player. I think that he could baby make the H L. H L, which is not like the NHL in h l. And then there's ECHA like the third level. I think that he could maybe make that just base off his off lettuces them. Like that would be the most. Okay. That's are you being serious now or not are you joking. No, I'm saying that Mike. I mean, the guy's a freak physically. Just like. He he already has that. Right. So if you could learn how to state like you never know I would assume that based on his athleticism. He could learn like the physical aspects of it, of course, mentally he would understand the game much. But let's put that down even more. Maybe the SPH always is the fourth league. And at that point. It's you know, you're you're making two hundred fifty bucks a week. I don't even know how guys do it and provide for their families. But aside from his actual skill. Great guy family, man, really religious, great guy. I believe he just had a baby girl as his girlfriend came to the game with just found the guy that you know, he goes, I just like stirring, the pot. I said, you don't mind the negative comments. And and he's like ni- talk. Good. And so he was school. That's interesting that you say that he could actually do that. Because like, okay. Yeah. Two hundred fifty bucks a week. You know, that's not a lot of money at all. But to say that an NFL player that's never skated before has enough athleticism where he could get. Get paid to play hockey. That's I actually did not expect that coming from you. I gotta give you credit. I thought that you would you would go out of your way to say, no this this guy. This hosmer can't strap on skates and get out there with us real hockey guys. But I give you credit, man. I that that's pretty cool. And it's amazing that Jim a hater though. So I'm giving him benefit of the doubt. And once again, he plays if you play in the NFL, your your top athlete in the world. Like, that's I mean, maybe maybe saw a high end soccer player would be there. But I I give them benefit. Adele, he had a pretty decent shot to. And that was after me teach how to shoot. So what about what about you? You mentioned the he likes to stir the pot, and we obviously all know that he talks a lot of trash and he calls people out. Do you think that there could ever be a guy in the NHL who would be able to do that? Or or is that just the locker room kind of checks? Have you never heard of Brad Marchand? No. But he doesn't he he's an agitator on the ice. I'm talking about off the ice like doing off season interviews and basically saying yeah Sidney Crosby. He stinks. You know, and like going down the list and just listing all these guys like he did he he basically said everyone in the NFL sucks in the. Yeah. I definitely say this. Yeah, they have a different motor as far as the interview antics, although Bremmer Shaw, he'll go at fans online and stop it drops even media sometimes so yeah, I would definitely put a different class as far as calling out other guys around the NFL. But but it's it's all in a little bit of fun. I always got a few heated ones with the media regarding chirp another guys, but he was telling me that like like on Tonio Brown is one of the best Sherpur's. And but nobody really knows because he's very subtle about it. He doesn't really like like, you're. He's more like under his breath. Type. He likes that Hopkins guy from from Texans. Yeah, I'm not a huge football guy. But I am szeswith these these like the Hyon NFL guys and how they go at it and stuff. Yeah. All right. So, you know, anything on that that tyreek hill or whatever has wondering about him. Not a great guy. Really fast fast. He likes to give the peace sign scores. If you do go him, you'll figure it out. Okay. Anyway, let's just say I maybe don't buy like you can be like, hey, he's fast. And he's he's obviously unbelievable. The watch. I wouldn't buy tyreek hill jersey. Okay. I know you probably tell you talked about I know you talked about it on spitting chiklis. And I know it was you talked about another places too. But obviously, the Ottawa Senators that whole Uber situation became national news is that good or bad for hockey win a story like that breaks through to like the mainstream media, obviously, those guys, you know, the Uber driver tapes them bashing their coach. But can you put like a good spin on it? And be like, hey, look people are talking about hockey, and this is kind of breaking through to the mainstream media. Yeah. I mean for for hockey, it was a big deal. It's weird because they're gonna see the the NBA. And and guys are like saying way worth right to their coaches faces with that Butler situation was absolutely banana lands by. Yup. John. And then and then, of course, Whitney goes on his rant for hockey. Of course, it was it was kind of a funny story with you know, with the whole override and people were making means jokes about it on his game a little bit of a stain. But I mean if that's the worst attack happening. I don't think that's a big deal. Will you you've played sports right guys? Probably haven't had the best thing to say about your coaches. And you you bring up a good point. I mean, the probably the number one thing people love like the casual fans love about the NBA. Is that guys go after each other on Twitter, and there's all these like, you know, followed him. So it's almost like like, I think I think the shock value of it was the fact that it doesn't feel like hockey has a lot of that. Maybe guys are a little bit more nice to each other's faces. But to think that this doesn't go on in every locker room in America. Like, you know, if you if you think your coaches and great if you're coach doesn't think you're great. He's probably bashing you to the front office. So it always goes round. I think it was just the fact that it was such like a it was almost voyeuristic, you know, feel too. That you're watching in on them. No, absolutely. I mean, I would say probably about ten to fifteen years behind here. I don't think it'll ever be where the NBA. Players in hockey third of soda personality. A little bit more. They're getting more volume social media more to the than where they get the pictures taken in on the way to the rink the NBA is I find the office or the pork stuff Warner -taining natural product itself. And that's why I think that it's it's such a. League as far as what their revenue is. Chris people are just szeswith drama pick it up the sort of a way, but you don't even need the wives of girlfriends. Yeah. What about the other scandal that's rocking hockey right now? And that's the players playing too much fortnight in the minor leagues. In the NHL through they actually banned bandit on the road because these guys are bringing their like systems on the on the road. Things have changed. I used to push these kids. Coins? And the fuck you win for winning those stupid games. Yes. Do you think you stop chasing pussy? You put that behind hung up the hung up the cleats, right? Yeah. I just I don't have the energy anymore. I mean, that's why I don't have sex soon. Well that and I'm trying to. You know, make money for the barstool with our best. I'm working like a dog here. That's true. So I actually read a story not too long ago about the famous Roxie in Vancouver. And how the home home-ice advantage that they used to get from players going and getting banged up before his kind of gone gone away in social media has taken away guys going out and drinking and partying before game. Do you think that's true in the NHL? Today's NHL guys aren't drinking like they used to. Okay. Well, that's okay. You mentioned the rock. He saw this three different ways. Roxie Vancouver was like multiply the night before in Vegas by three. Because if you walk into the hockey player didn't matter what night of the week. It was you're you're pulling you're pulling the woman out of there. I've literally walked into the rock rocky four and United f c in person. Like, I'm not attractive year. Yeah. A good player. But I bet you probably eight minutes in and out. And and we're talking about like, maybe go back get one and then go back for another. They. This board for the players. So. Yeah. So it was it was like conic cell phones. And all that other stuff guys are are not going so much work workers who are hockey fans are going any more because it'll end up online. There's actually situation went to struggle. Blackhawks no not too long ago. We don't need to go into that one. But yeah, I just I mean, the the league so much more competitive now guys are boozing like they used to so much money to be made. And and the I guess the the show Fleiss because it's gone so competitive isn't very long once guys hit thirty day, cert tailing off there's not as much drinking. Yeah. The Roxie flu that was that was the article I read such a great thing. So. Flu as it was a dick cold. Is is Roxy is that just a bar or is it strip club? It's a bar. No, it's a bore. Actually, they'll stay in town. In Vancouver is number five orange, which is an awesome cool strip club. And it was actually where they film deadpool. They they had to where the bars it's in there. And it's a it's a cool spot to a few places to get lost in Vancouver. But the the new spot is is peers and God, what's the other Bantu room? The women in Vancouver. Absolutely gorgeous litter across the room till the twelve thirty one. And then you go across the street with peers and once again, if you're hockey player, and you can't pull you might as well chop your dick off. All right. Wanna talk a little bit on ice stuff with real quick windows the regular season. Start talk off your the worst. Nuts when Wilson comes off suspension. No, well, guess what that happened negative fifteen days ago or fifteen games ago? Right. He has suspension cut half. What happens with that? So like, he's got all this like time served. So the next, you know, twenty penalties at he gets. He doesn't have to actually go into the box. How's that work? So it's a it's a bit of a format system where the appeal process, and then if you peel it again to a neutral arbitrator take sports on there was actually situation. If you punch the referee, and they couldn't decide whether it was because he would he'd been concussed on the hit that happened right before it actually got twenty games at ended up producing it already served like nineteen or twenty games. But what they did is. They repaid them the money that he would have long with an that's what happened with Wilson. Unfortunately, lost those ten years. And then Wilson of this case. If you had a ten minute. But whatever man the guy the guy signed a huge ticket. He gets a little bit of money back. And no know gets the gets a few nights off freedoms getting paid paid for a work. So the arbiter in that situation was the same guy that got Ryan Braun suspension reduced to right is that just like job is to just go around just reducing suspensions. Well, I I don't know. New. It's fucking. That's not that's as much as capacity as my main can take big enough as it is. If you want to do it on your end feel free. Cool job. Can we just talk about pussy or? Serious talk for us. Getting what's what's the big story though? Like so far in the in the NHL season. I mean, it has started amazingly. So what's the big story gives the big take? I mean, the the penguins suck. Obviously the Blackhawks fire joke. Lynn voca. Stan Bowman is is is a coward. What else the blood the blues just fired their coach to leaves deletes? A really go resear- good. Give us lowest. I would have done your homework. You would have known that four NHL coaches have been fired. I twenty games their seasons. Whoa. Yeah. So. Including the Blackhawks coach, which I thought was bullshit, y'all. We don't we don't need a dive into that. Little story. And I don't think a ton of your fans are necessarily hockey fans. Heard the NHL. Whoa. That's not what I would say, you have more football and football fans that anything but nonetheless, okay over track. Stephen thank you parody parody of the NHL in house things could change for your base on the way they worked with with salary town. Just everything it makes it so fun for for for everyone. Because look at the Buffalo Sabres they've been did that for a significant amount of time. Well, now, they're they're able to become good again over the offseason. They made a couple of really good moves and things are constantly shaken up because of those roles that are in place. So I don't know what to meet a parody is what what strengthens strengthens the NHL over all the other major sports. Well, and I think the quality of players getting better and better, and that's my opinion on it. Well, so is it parody. Is it is it true parody in that like teams are playing well, and you have this rotating because I think there's not not all parody is created. Equal if I could like make that argument because I think sometimes the NFL they'll be shitty season. And they'll be like, oh the parody. But like, no actually just every team kinda fucking sucks. So is it that or is it true parody? Like, there are some really good teams that are emerging here. Yeah. Well, it it like for instance, some teams have put themselves in financial trouble or at the factory team. Like, let's say shook Lugo has so much success over that small horses. Tonight's meal. Yes. Well. Isn't a stab either. I mean, it was good. It was more than a few years is there is biz is barely done ketchups. Great. Okay. So here's where I'm going to get credit to Chicago. And how long they stayed extremely relevant is the fact that over the course of those Stanley Cups they had to shake things up because they couldn't afford certain players like they couldn't afford to pay them because of the success that all of them brought the team. So in the in the NHL want to happen. They're forced to make moves or not signed guys or nice. We're going to be on big deals that way other teams can scoop up other big players because of the salary cap long. It's there's like ten to twelve teams you could say that team can win. So I it's anyone's game NHL in NBA key who's going to play the warriors. It would probably be Boston is heavy favourite in the semi wrong. The are playing. Well. Yeah. Philly the bucks, look good. But I mean, I get what you're saying. Patrick Kane turning thirty the other day was such a mind fucked that the fact that he's thirty years old. Like, I've always, you know, you just kind of like, oh, he's always the young guy. You know, like the electric American playing hockey. And then he turns thirty and you're like fuck where the time go. Yeah. And I don't think there's any. I don't know if this happens in basketball, but just Haughey is such a grind and physically and mentally. I mean, not saying the gay, but I mean, I would say guys break down faster in the NHL. Luckily, three you Cain was guys who he's just so dynamic in his style. Play. He'll probably be relevant for at least another six years right point a game. Right. And he's not a big guy. I think obviously when you're a big guy I can break down a lot faster. You know, the old Blake course for. Biz. I also wanted to talk to you about something. Thanksgiving is coming up. This is our thanksgiving special or extra long episode. What do you do? Yeah. As a Canadian. What do you do for thanksgiving? I mean, you you're not allowed to celebrate it, you know, everything's clue. I just got on the Twitter myself to wanna people are engaging online. And if they. Legally celebrate it because I'm on a p one visa. Yeah. US resident that's just not going to us. Yeah. He wants to the thanksgiving NFL. No. You can't watch the parade either. I know your big nor guy can't tune into that. A lot of timing with my Canadian friends, but a regular day there too. So it's hard to get. What's what's Boxing Day? What does that mean? Boxing Day is is kind of like your black Friday. Happening. Okay. Many fights though, skull boxing, Canada. Right. But you'd think because of the name there's more fights Detroit. A mean God I to me. That's that's my Christmas morning. Keen week two. Cds videos are still people keying off on each other's faces over going there and pickle meal. Fucking not. It's usually over like a DVD player like a portable DVD player something that nobody even needs. Screen TV's, take the case. Yeah. Screen sees that are like, you know, like two hundred and twenty five dollars for seventy five inch flat screen TV. There's going crazy on each other. There's like one in the entire store and people line up for twelve hours to do it. Yeah. Hey, it's almost like McMahon set it enough where he's like we're going to do one flat screen TV at two fifty fucking as soon as they come in bring the cage down in every minute for themselves if the fucking bar Boyer out get the, you know, get the tax. Get the get the ladder. Yup. Yeah. I like that a lot going how much wrestling do, you know? A couple of my buddies on the coyotes when I played Jason LA Barbara Mandal. Here's wrestling fans. And they would they they were so hard core. David watched the DVD's of all the old matches. It's like, hey, listen. I I love. Nothing. I think it's kind of funny the old school wrestling best. But when I ready, no, I already know what happens. I wanna watch it again. Yeah. Now, it's loses reality for you. Watch the second time. Yeah. So wait. We going to win. Yeah. Well, except for the one time that we were there. So Canada has their own thanksgiving. Right. You guys celebrate it in like, July or some stupid shit like that. No, come on October. So he's stolen valley. You're still in Ballard thanksgiving just like you tried to undercut us with it. And put it right in front of us. What do you eat on your thanksgiving? Same type of stuff. What's your favorite? What is your favorite food on thanksgiving? And also is the Canadian thanksgiving problematic like the American one, what do you mean problematic? I mean, like the whole, you know, like the weed ended up just food, and we still the land. We still land. And now we can. It's like basically Howard zinn have you ever read Howard zinn people's history. No chance. Yeah. It's kind of like the Turkey to getting the data. I mean potato hot take their don't go out on a limb. You know, I I'm pretty healthy guy. Don't eat as much as I used to place. I see I had something I wanna complain about. You guys are familiar with. Yup. Like like, I give everyone in media benefited down. I like quirky personalities. Oh, yeah. I know. I had I had on fall. Valmont time a rookie quarterback outplays event. He fucking puts out there rookie salary making. And I'm like, Austin, notably. He really loves his favourite is when there's when a team takes a lead in like week one a college football. He loves the tweet out how much that team paid the the NFC complaints. It's fuck off turn come on. Yet, your them yet your heating the other night, you I we were leaving I left the we, you know, we take late on Sunday nights a little work ethic. You probably don't know about that. You only do to times a week for spitting chocolates. But we were we're leaving to. I love it. We left the opposite to him. And you texted me how much he hated rebel. And it was like men you are hot. I heard boiling point of having a bad day to like as far as my crumby here. And I I had enough I had to follow. And and I I've tried to get better fitted. Oh, because I love the nerdy guy. Yup. 'cause I just bring a, but it's always with those types of tweets, and and and people do shut the fuck up. And Finally, I joined the the set the fuck out crowd and on follow them. Yeah. Excessive the guys go weird. Who else is strange though? Hell like we become obsessed with the things that we hate that make us the angriest correct gonna fall on after this interview. I'm going to give them a second chance. Do it. Do it give it just remember. He's a nerd and he's harm. Here's what you do you just buzzes tower. You follow him then unfold him and then like five minutes later, you reform them on follow him just just buzzes tower. Let them know that you're watching them. Maybe we'll keep in line. Sure. Also, he's more just just adds up. He's more of an athlete than you. He ran the marathon. I don't I don't I just I just I just got a little sick of tweets stuff on speaking of speaking of people, and then a big fan of this might be an unpopular opinion. Okay. So I'm going to be judged. Okay. Go. Mile. Very rude to people like no, I don't I'm not down with that. So. Some of my teammates that and when I was playing. Earth. When I when I made the clinic she was on the TV in the locker room our customers like all go ask David. Eric gets back in in our team brother-in-law's Jonathan quick actually and he had a run in with Judy. So he was he went to a restaurant. Take to get a takeout order for party to Ravin at home, and he had his hat on. And he just went, and it was a I'm here to pick up that order like, oh, it's almost ready and judge Judy was coming into the restaurant, and they were gonna go there with her family. She was going to eat and grabbed my friend's hat. Take your hat on in a restaurant and walked way. And and I and I and I was seemingly told me this. My blood was boiling, I should do. And he goes nothing. I just like Puckett. And I and then I went AWOL that would have been my one I would have done that too. That's business. Chat on going there. Wasn't any wasn't there to each should've just miners her in business because he was a squeaking goal is? A scoop scoop and go at all it's fair and scoop and go that's what they say was the guy Jewish was he ripping off his yarmulke that'd be messed up. No, no, no. That would have been all. Hunted her down. But I'm saying like one is it known ever business. Did you sitting down at the restaurant eating? Enough where they can get away with that stuff. But you've got to fight your top. But if if that was name, I would I would I would I would I would give it a finger wave and I would have went back at her. Hey, it's a scuba to. Altercation and I would have called her out. I mean, it would have been my one chance it was upset that befriends back and didn't take. Well. I mean, if you're in a nice restaurant like Tim Hortons, I feel like you have to observe some sense of decorum. So I'm kind of on judge Judy side. I I didn't get to say that potential. So you so you've probably would get along with judge Judy listening. If somebody's in front of me in line, and they're they're taking all the Tim bits and they're wearing a hat. I'm going to say something. Are you guys going to bring those Canadian guys back? What were their names? Yeah. Taunton gordo. What do you mean? What are are? No, they're like your role models. Yeah. Those really good. I think he has been those back. Maybe a little cameo on biz does Antero this summer, which is on -tario stuff that you're up to what what goes down in biz does on -tario. I would like to try to scale up and maybe use less drone footage and do similar to the business BC series, and then do on -tario, and then and then maybe more NHL others and it make it more of a professional production. Yeah. I won. It was like the first thing I'd ever done. You know, it it was nothing earth shattering. Other NHL guys acting, and we're not actors, I guess funding from some aspects, but I would like to scale it up a bit and to get cameo from you put it over the car will Marcus down because I agree. I mean, I I watched the first one it was, you know, it was like a freshman year film, film students video. Yeah. Okay. Got oh shit. All right. Well, it's hard. It's hard to to rattle. You what else so polite? That is a common. My last self-aware. No, I thought it was great. I think it's great. Will count between it a lot of people were like what the fuck is is shit off the stage. Well, that's a little bit. But you know, we move on. Yeah. No. I mean, those people aren't watching it, and the the, you know, they don't realize how good it was. All right. My last question. It's a secret question. Put promo code take. You get ten dollars off your seatgeek purchase want to go to a hockey game. The NHL season started kicked off last night. Go to promo go to see Keith promo code taking it ten dollars off biz. Because it's thanksgiving. Let's finish with this on a positive note. Give us something you're thankful for. Damn you're going to see us. Fuck. No. Well, well, you're part of I I was I'm very thankful that I I I. Doing. The series but the podcast because it's hurt being immediate with a team humble brenick. In a sense where I have to be filtered and be professional where I'm really breath round the edges swearing lot. Yeah. I like talking to them, you know, times that you know, weren't so professional and the point is really giving me that outlook and our outlet service right on able to to get stories out of the other guys that that the any Trump stands eater never heard or have any wind up at one of hear them firsthand from these guys. And I mean, you guys do time with with the football guys. It's kind of a and b basically all sports it was kind of nice to find that that little groove and in the honky murals in a lot of about deposit of response to it. So I'm grateful for that. Yeah. I mean, I agree spent chiklis fantastic. You guys do an awesome job. When are you going to move to New York just work for you to see that because you have points and accompanying you're hoping to keep scaling? No, no, I think you're gonna I think we're at I think reread and Whitney or really funny. No, I appreciate that. And. Oh enough department, and it it's kind of fun. You know, we get to listen to you guys and shit. And and maybe. Chip at some at some point. All right biz. Thanks so much, man. Appreciate it. As always have a happy thanksgiving that you're not allowed to celebrate. And we'll see you in a couple of weeks in New York. Love you to love you more. That interview with business news brought to you by blue apron. 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You think the official statement is Cleveland Cavaliers announced today, the JR Smith will no longer be with team as you Orgainzation works with JR. She his Christ tank. We're taping podcast here. I can't control mistakes. But you can I mean that was it sounded like religiously loud sound like you were being stabbed by an air horn. You know, most good costs would say bless you. But I'll just bless myself. Plus, plus you Hank thank you. That's very conceited of you to this. God. No, you're saying you're co host. Nope. Saying you guys should be blessing me why we're not co-hosts. Most good host hand has as your superior is my co-host. You're the co host. You're the producer or co host of the show. Correct work. Right. So good co co they'll be not to you this show wouldn't be like, you're my co hosts you guys are co host. They'd call you go host, don't call me. If you don't know writing an article about what just happened. They they would say a good co host would know they would say part of my take has really gone to shit because their producer keeps us eases. Coming into the microphone. What do you want me? Do not sneeze. I can't die. You'd try to hold on sneeze. Next time. You have to sneeze holding. And let's see if you die. All right. Okay. What apologized to us? Do you want to plus me? No. I don't I don't pretend that I'm God bless you. Now right now. I will eventually, okay. Yeah. All right. Let's move on Jared Smith, whatever trouble in paradise Washington. Wizards. Okay. Who can't Joe Smith who is Stanley who kiss Washington? Wizards are a dumpster fire, which is basically the most pro like we could have written. We wrote down three storylines for the NBA season two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen Washington Wizards infighting in and everyone hating each other would be at the top of the list. What wouldn't would comes surprise? Dwight Howard has nothing to do with that. That's what I was going to say the fact that tweet Howard hasn't really been playing that much. Yeah. Like, I would expect it his role on the court would contribute just as much as him sitting out. Nope. They should be thankful that tweet Howard has like what is it like a bruise? But yeah, is that what he's got prince get a button faction. It says like. Addicted glutinous glorious infection. Yes. Something like Louis soreness. That's what that's what he's out for. Yeah. He's he's going to take the court looking like Kim crashing. So it's crazy because it's essentially Scott Brooks John wall Jamal. Hey, Scott Brooks fuck off that's fair. Scott Brooks should should have been fired awhile ago. They also have the I think John wall and Bradley Beal hate onto other order because on a porter stinks and the whole team just hates each other. And this is like the like what what's the old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend turns out that they're all friend, the old should be friends because they all hate everybody know, the definition of insanity is is doing the same thing over expecting a different result. That's not actually the definition of insanity. But yeah, yeah. That's the thing. And that's what the Washington Wizards. Are like you knew everyone hate each other. You've been doing this every single year. Why wouldn't you trade someone because I mean, they tried? And it's still hasn't worked just blow. This whole thing up. I think because last Rican breaking. Russell Westbrook to start falling Bradley Bill. Oh, here we go. Ores sweet created penny wars. Yeah, I'm shocked at it took this long to blow up. I mean, I do think that there was they were just hoping that people would stop interacting with their teammates outside of outside of work environments and just like show up and just practice. And then don't don't discuss don't talk about anything after you, go home. But these guys can't resist it they love they they start out every year being like this year's going to be different. We're hanging out with each other. We're we're forming bonds as teammates, but then they realize after like a month. Oh turns out I hate the sky. The also the wizards are like the top of the list of bad body language teams. Every time if a team goes on a ten run on the wizards. It's like instant the John wall looks like he wants to be anywhere. But on a basketball court, Bradley Beal, hundreds of shoulders, they fight on the you know on the sideline on Puerto. It looks like he doesn't know how to play about the whole thing just unravel so fast for them. It's it's crazy. So you know, what I think it's actually a problem that? That white Howard hasn't been playing. So at least when Dwight Howard playing everybody else has a common enemy that. They're like who the fuck is. This guy hate to sky the fact that he's not playing means that they're they all hate each other. Well, it's like they got rid of juvenile. And now they don't have somebody to point out and be like that guys. The reason why we play like a clown car. The Dwight Howard, though, I guarantee you at some point in the next if it hasn't already happened is going in the next like three weeks is going to stand up in the locker and be like guys, let's just get get together and get along and everyone's going to laugh in his face. And that might save the Washington Wizards season. Yeah. What's going to happen? White Howard's going to call us own players only meeting. Yeah. And no one's gonna show up to six dollars per homeless platter. Everything in his own. He's going to take a selfie of how nobody showed up to his players only meeting. And then he'll get a go fund me and make makes money. Hopefully, okay. We have before we get to our thanksgiving. What are we calling tapes giving tanks takes giving before getting takes giving. We have a little Tigers Ville. Nice. That's good. That's good. Bless your heart. And your mind we have tiger and Phil Friday Vegas showdown had head what else pay per view boobs. Fucking them. We'll be wearing them. Yeah. That's probably both. I heard from are. They shouldn't strip golf from our great golf guy Riggs whose credentialed actually at this. Which is awesome. He said that the Gulf community isn't a huge fan of this because it's pay per view. And also it's taken away from the rest of the golfers, which I love I love, I love it, even more. This is awesome. Though. I'm I mean, if you're not gonna watch or at least trying to find a stream we we already predicted. This is going to be like the biggest day for malware ever. Because a bunch of old white dudes are going to try to find free streams. But how can you not like tiger and Phil I'll always tune in. Tiger feel like it'd be ninety and they could be playing like old man golf tune it. It's a classic dumpy Gulf reaction to be like this isn't good for the game. No. When actually in reality. It's very good. Very win else. Are we going to be the only time that we've ever discussed golf in November have been this? And when Tiger Woods got his window broken in buys wife when you drive away from her. Well, no, dude, he was he was fell asleep. And he was in trouble. And he. Would she need to get him out of the car o when she extricated him? Yeah. Wendy told light. And when he was texting like, I need you to delete this number. Right. Huge. It was at about that happened right before that was always he was Amer. I want to be on a no call list. I've contacted already if you don't it'll be to take. Okay, got it. So those are the only two times that we've discussed golfing. Remember anytime, you can get your sporting to the conversation in rain football season. Listen, come on medicine time is premium right now general Vel will tell you that this airtime on the Friday in between thanksgiving and thanksgiving weekend is the most lucrative airtime. And I'll see you guys at the sports bar. That is known as Twitter who you got. Nothing captures away. I'm a talk through. I gotta go tiger. I don't think I was going to run away with it. I saw goals. I said we'll Phil's not running anywhere. We'll tiger. Tiger has experienced with three holes. Trust me on that one. Phil looks awful. Phil looks physically. Whoa, bad. I think he looks fine bad. He's his face is getting heavier. He's gotta heavy face. Well, it looks like his looks good. No looks like the front is in the best shape. It was like he did he did that ad where he was dancing. Now looks like the front of his face giving way dentals off. Yeah. No, he'll expect significantly more. I saw us. Shit. Bullshit kick water bottle of someone saying you want me to do it right now. No. I don't want to kick a med. Well, then let me prove it somehow kick it off the cats he's taller than you. No, I am. I'll do it right now. Okay. Let's do it. Let's finish the show first. And then you can do it. Okay. Yeah. Swear, he'll Mickelson is not significantly more sound a little trigger there. Did because Phil looks bad. I think Phil looks fine. No, I feel it looks fine. Why don't you fuck them? Well, I mean, he's he looks fine. He's always fine. He looks great. I'm looking at his picture right now. He I don't know where the heavy face. Got. It looks like he's got heavy faces is look yellow Jesus Christ man killing them to saying you're killing team tiger. Tiger guys. That's okay. If you're not I'm team tiger too. But the fill like I'm looking at right now, it looks good. And he actually looks kinda skinny no seriously skin looks bad. But he looks okay. Now, we got no nice. He's been in the sun. Hank takes giving takes giving. So people texted in their hottest or coldest thanksgiving takes. Okay. Gonna read them off. We're gonna embrace them debate. Okay. I one just one is near and dear to big cats heart doesn't even actually enjoy cranberry sauce. Do why does it look like jello potatoes like shit? I do I like it Sumi, listen if we're going to go with cranberry sauce, I would rather have the kind. That's just straight out of the can don't try to don't tell them cranberry sauce up. Yeah. I like it when it's. Got the lines in it. And all that stuff. It's still not good. But that that's probably the best way that you can serve it. I like it Christmas basketball is better than thanks giving football too tired after Thanksgiving Day to watch. So it's a waste of two games that then you're not doing thanksgiving. Right. I don't I I love Christmas day basketball. But thanksgiving football come on. There's also something great when it comes to like napping while watching thanksgiving football fade in and out. And they got the cornucopia on the set. And they got the little leaves around the law on the better than the score with the with the I love it every year and take a picture of every year. I fucking love it of the makes me feel so festive. I like, yeah. We'll embrace debate. I like the Holly at Christmas time on the screen. That's also nice cornucopia on the screens. Yeah. Oh, listen. It's there's room for all golf. It's all good. There's many good people on both sides. What's up PMT gang? Just wanted to get your thoughts on the correct time to take a walk with your cousins before dinner. Oh, it's too late. Before second game seems a little early wanted to be peak high during dinner, let me know your thoughts. Wait, what do you mean? Peak high taking a walk. I have a take think you shouldn't get peak high before dinner, you should get a little high before dinner and then peak high after dinner seeing get leftovers while you're peak guy, that's pretty good. That's a little bit going into dinner. And then later at night, it's a little what is it called digest teeth digest teeth a little marijuana digest notes? Also, it's a combo digestive end Pera chief because it's getting ready for second. Correct. So yeah, it's a two for I would say maybe half time of the second game. Yeah. That seems like a good compromise. Because this person's right? You know, three o'clock might be a little early because then you get then most of your relatives are still sober. And they're like, hey, what's up with PF t was he saying all this weird stuff? You gotta wear. So the news wearing sunglasses at the dinner table. Yeah. Exactly. Fucking drug. Keep talking about Nazis. Yeah. This guy's. I haven't talked about Nazi some longtime. It's not funny anymore. A good segue into this. Jim oh my cousin. I were getting high before thanksgiving dinner and we accidentally became Nazis. His dad called us in preceded a snitch on us for the whole family spent that thanksgiving highest fuck things shamed. And lectured about the dangers of hard drugs by our extended family, and the food wasn't even that good. It's awkward very awkward. Very awkward. But like who I mean, maybe he's super young. But like who's I feel like once you get past. I feel like once you get past junior year in college. No, one can tell you what to do ever. No. I think high school one's turn eighteen here's this still a little bit. Like, I your back. And was this a friend's dad know cousin your cousin his cousins? Listen, listen, guys, if you're listening, and you're over twenty one and someone tries to tell you what to do not do say punch ominous. No. So you say I'm gonna dulled don't tell me what to do and then punch him. And then you and then you say officer in my free to go afterwards. Yeah. So here's the thing. When you're when you're still in high school when you're that young sometimes when a friend's dad says something to you, it makes you feel really bad. But you can always just say, you're not my dad. Yes. That is my and maybe my dad can beat up your dad. Yeah. My dad could beat you up. Yeah. No. You turn to your friend like the other dad's not there. He say, hey, my dad can beat up here and say, hey, who is this guy? That's trying to tell me what to do. Yeah. You're not. You're not a cop show me your badge. Certain. We got a lot of people giving their takes for most overrated thanksgiving food. I want to hear your guys overrated thanksgiving food. Well, I think cranberry sought well, isn't even food. Yeah. What do you mean? It's not a food. I mean, it's not like a main dish food like it's a couture Mont. I think it's is within bounds of the the matches to eat will put mashed potatoes stuffing Turkey in the same spot. As like, that's like, hey, you know. Okay. Anyway, it's like an extra. I don't think I don't think it's high enough rated to be overrated. So I won't say cranberry sauce. Overrated. I'm just going to go with the starter salad. Sorry, Sal, you don't need it the up. This is the one time of year you need. Don't even pretend to be in fact this year, if you eat a salad, that's the least healthy thing. You can do. I got one. I'm not a big pumpkin pie. All right. Give me a pecan pie over pumpkin pie. This person said all trash, oh, you have to go the cobbler great high. Even a scoop of ice cream is better than pie. Cobblers? I am a big cobbler guy because it's basically like the person who created the cobbler is like, yeah, I can't actually cook a crust. And so I'm just going to throw all the good stuff in a ton of sugar into a pot and then just eat that. And then I kind of like that. Yeah. No. I who doesn't like it cobbler. Right. And you also the nice thing with the Cobb a little fat guy tip. A piece of pie. You have to win. Someone's cutting a piece of pie in there. Like, you can never be the guy who gets the biggest piece of pie because there was this fats fatso eating the big piece of pie. You gotta be like. Oh, yeah. No. I'll take a medium piece cobbler. You can just go scoop. After scoop after scoop and just say, oh, yeah. This is one piece, and well the thing with pies's I like I like any dessert that you can put whipped cream on. Yeah. And and I think with cream goes better on a pie that it doesn't cobbler. It's certainly goes better ice cream with Kabul ice cream on accomplice. It certainly goes better on a pie than it does on cake. You can't put like whip cream on a cake, and that's like ice cream cake, go ice cream on ice cream cake. And then some whipped cream on top. Okay. Yeah. Well on ice cream. Serious g. Listen, I think sometimes you get it doesn't have all the types of flavors you want. You get vanilla ice can kick you a little more ice cream on it. Here's my heartache, all desserts are good. All right last one embrace debate. My family never ran a five candidates giving because we aren't absolute psychopaths. This is the first year I'll be running one with my girlfriend's family. Do I go hard in the paint to establish dominance early or delay back and treat it as the joke that it is? I was just gonna say break up with her. You don't you don't want that smoke in this family, this this is actual definition of if there's smoke there's fire if they're a family that does a five K on thanksgiving. There's a lot of other over achieving stuff that you're going to be expected to participate in down the line. Agreed. And if you actually do have to run it definitely do the former where you just run as fast as you can start. And then like just basically gas yourself out because then you had that moment of glory wherever it was like Tam. This guy's awesome. And then you can make you can kind of joke about like, oh, I got hurt going in stretch. But you saw how fast it was start dating a normal girl that just gets Deidra nk at nine AM watching a parade on TV. Well, well, her dad judges you and yeah, it's good time. Yeah. That's it. Okay. Okay. Be turkey. So we have Mike Miller and chocolate L. If you've if you have to work on Friday, save this save what we're about to do their great interviews, but saving for Friday PF t want you take us out with an and before these to interview, I will. And I also want to do a PSA real quick out there. If you're the best way to prepare Turkey, in my opinion, is by deep frying, it would you agree. Sure. Okay. If you deep fry it make sure that the big time mainly to make sure it's completely frozen. Microbrews my own ears. Now, a lot of people get the the burned her house down every year. So make sure totally frozen. She don't think people do that. 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That's a fact, I'm just stating facts. Let's get into it though. Mike. Thank you for joining us. Let's start with what you're doing right now. So you're coaching in college with on penny. Hardaway staff is it weird going like all the way back in time and now recruiting guys and doing like the the journey that you had from the beginning here. Yes. Strange. Things we win have I in home. Visit was with these kids and been too long ago. I was sitting on that college coach fishing me. So just being part of in and seeing these young kids whether trying to go stuff that we've done hopefully, trying to get a. Be a part of the process to help them get to where we were the crews that we've had what's your what's your living room pitched like how do you? If you take, you know, you're you're visiting somebody say in state, and you're trying to convince them. Hey, come to Memphis, don't go to like university of Tennessee or whatever with what's what what do you say? In somebody's living room? I just think to me the biggest thing is it's not a two year three year four year decision. This is a ten fifteen twenty year decision. Because of what you're trying to become who you're trying to be. And you know, it's like anything else in life. You wanna learn for people that have done it before you, and you know, all the steps they're much of may we made we made once or twice the mistakes, we made the successes we've had we've made so gearing guys and getting ready. I mean, I think there's a big difference now and in the NBA they don't have as long as a a leash. They don't wait as long so not just making their but being ready when you get there. Yeah. Do you do the rings in your in your pitch? Do you wear the rings couple times? But for me it's about the now and those range, obviously, a big part of it because I was on a lot of teams. And it's it's a is a small thing between winning losing in the NBA to same thing in in college. And so as hard as ever do is win, but you gotta build a culture, right? And in the locker room, do you ever play clips from blue chips from from pennies appearance in that that great Nick Nolte movie. And just like, hey, I can't offer you these things. But look what look what penny was getting we ever. We ever wanted to be a movie star we got too. So you know, it gives it gives you roll angles. Yeah. That's nice. So you have speaking of recruiting at the time of this taping. This isn't going to air to Wednesday. But James Wiseman, he is one of the number one prospect, you're in the finalist. It's actually a weird finalists. Florida state Kansas Kentucky, those make sense. Memphis vanderbilt. Do you think he's gonna come to Memphis? Do you want to call your shot? Real we Magath, right? We've done our job. You know? Obviously officials been there that we just talked about you know, coaches had a relationship with him and his family for a while now. So we've done our job we sit back and wait and see where he decided to go and hopefully be part of the future going forward. If it is. He's a he's a big time award winning listener. So yes, listen when you listen to this just know that we're giving Memphis the endorsement weight. So that was so you predicting yes, you just say, yes. Say predict predict yes, we'll cut it before Wednesday's episode. I'm letting you predict as one you guys predicted he's going to sign with Memphis on on Tuesday. This will air on Wednesday. He's gonna sign. Appreciate you know, stabbing approval for day try. Yeah. He's already. Yes. Absolutely. When it comes to recruiting you guys are obviously trying to build something out there in Memphis. At what point do you draw the line, you say, okay. This dude is an elite level recruit were probably not going to land him like when you decide to losses. I mean, I think the biggest thing ale and the hardest thing to do in recruiting is just being open and transparent. And and let them know they listen, you can tell me I'm a big boy, you can tell me if you're not interested in definitely help. They would do things like that. But for us, we can only we liked players that we have a chance with. And so like you said we've got to cut bait at some point. But it's it's hard because they're gonna the power player that we're going after you can go against Kansas Kentucky, do and so you gotta have a realistic expectation of who you can get recant, but we feel like we're gonna in the game with all the other day. They want to go and ultimate goals plan the NBA, which we can we? Have you in penny jumped on the court and dominated the the kids yet? Have you have you had the you know, we were at these kids over everyday. Okay. Every day as these kids. It's it's fun. Because will we obviously are don't have it like we used to as much I'm only two years removed. So I got a little bit. But you know, he just plays them in and out smart. Some is just it's fun to get on the floor resort. What do you shoot these days if you draft there, and you take a hundred threes? How many are you making just by yourself in the gym? At least I mean disappointed by seventy five radio that must be so to just go out there and just stroke it. Yeah. Can you still don't? I can do that. I'll tell you. I'm not going to do much because by the time landing partial be left on me when I well, I am but shooting bars easy. Just defending jumping is is is it pretty far now. All right. So let's talk about your NBA career. You had a an unbelievable NBA career. You played for a lot of years you played for a lot of different teams. And I think the the biggest like takeaway from Mike. Miller's NBA career is that everyone liked you in the locker room the famous story about how mad Tracy McGrady was when when the magic traded you what how is that? Just come naturally a review always like going into a new situation being like I'm going to be the glue guys part of what I bring to the team is the type of guy in the locker room. I think it's just a natural thing for me is about being in doing what needed to be done or for you know, other than fortunate and blessed not play at seventeen years of play when you know, probably ten hall of famers. So, you know, the biggest thing lighter. No, you are and starring your role. And I think you know, that was one of the biggest things I worked on play, Tracy McGrady. I play LeBron James Dwayne way. All markets. All you know. So I've seen in every different culture every different kind of person ever gonna play every every Claire is different. You know, as far as they are in their attitudes and whether light with adult like in us. Your neil. Who was the best player you ever played with not counting? Lebron James because I know that LeBron listened to everything about him. And he'll have you killed if you don't say him. So we're just going to throw him out there. Besides him who is the best. Clearly, he is that besides him. Probably we do. I weigh. It was the way it is the way I think, you know, me. Well. Well race McGregor. How is top one question? Thank you. You know, whole famous, you know, I think he'd get you d wave denied because he has three championships. For teaming to me was a hardest cover at our I always everyday in practice. He was unbelievable too. So you can you. Sides that won t MAC was a guy that would he was a guy go on conscious. Sometimes like he in one half he'd put up like thirty points. And you just no matter what angle he was shooting from no matter where he was on the court. He was gonna make it. And and one point you had you dropped forty five in a game data read that resemble stake is your Wikipedia Roman. You read that correctly scored forty we're trying to figure out what it's like to be in the zone because it sounds like you're in the zone. What what what did that feel like it's you know by getting out? I mean, it's the best feeling the world. He was always timing. It's you know, I've seen it on on other ends when you're in it. I list for best around the world because you're topper your crap top whatever you've always wanted to do. Okay. So listen to my theory. And then answer it answer the question as honestly as you can. I'm not saying that LeBron James is a bad teammate. I am saying that it is hard to play with LeBron James because he's so good. When LeBron's teams lose all the players get the blame. And when they win LeBron essentially like, oh, well, it's LeBron James and add the bonus. Where basically every night is like a thing. It's an experience because it's LeBron's team. You had it with the heat. You had it with the Cavs. You'll have. With the lake actually less of the Lakers because he's a coward. Any ran to the west coast known will stay up and watch his games. But is it is it hard to play on a LeBron James team for that reason? I think it's a, you know, I think it's a fair question. I don't I don't know for what read about eight to me visit ties tell betas gene may not for some of the things you said what because the expectations. I think you know, some people ain't built for that any right? You said it is to Miami. It was like a traveling circuits. So, you know, something aren't you see when you're not in custody? When you're on as Denver when it comes to Asians. And whether gums every game is gonna get scrutinized. No matter what. Now, you gotta do your job way with him. You're on the biggest stage, and like I said it's aimed Bill for is a is a different environment than playing, you know, when I played in. Minnesota's are like that. It wasn't. You weren't supposed to win championships. Are you weren't supposed to be on ESPN every night? So here's get on your on your stay brighter lights when you when you first joined the heat that was a really interesting Tom on fascinated by this because it was okay. This team on paper. Should you know, they could win every single game that they play in. But obviously there was some growing pains. And it's fascinating to see like how a team like that that's filled with so much individual talent. Even though their head and shoulders above most teams, it's still take some time to gel, but what goes into that process. Like where there some growing pay. What were those growing pains like for the first thirty games of that was two thousand ten season knows the second seat. Right. Yeah. The second the second heat season. Lebron was when you joined right from beginning. The horace. Dr stay for us was the team was Bill with as far as the superstar way. We're such similar players. I mean, you look at Golden State and the way they are Kevin Durant Steph curry, and I'm totally never players LeBron bigger role type glares, but they're they're they weren't necessarily jar shooters, you know, and so the style and you had to play and everyone has to get accustomed to it and the way the game was going started. At that point where the game is now is is just so hard to play. That's now we're Golden State has an easier transition because our guys are gonna play offer ball. And so we are his job between the guys like Chris Bosh taking twenty some Johnson game way. He's just LeBron. And now makes me guys around them that make that floor bringing up for them to succeed. So no, I it's har- isn't always when you put teams together. Like that for sure do you think that people don't talk about LeBron James eight? Point game four of the NBA finals against the Mavericks enough. Game Mike that was an all time bad game. I'm just stating facts what happened in that game from from someone who on that team. What happened in that game? It was it was obviously wasn't hit one of his better was and and you know, in his defense, he came out the next year in the minute to it like you was new Ringo's little bit. And he had no problem minute. But at the same time, he's he's done. He's the following year. He was as. Against the wall in Boston game six we're down three to has one of those games in the history of Vassar ball. So I it's it's honestly getting girl through thanks to you know, it's a different different situation. Did you did you notice like mental change of like LeBron from that from the year that they lost? You guys lost the Mavs to the next year. Because like, I, you know, it's funny to think about and obviously I'm giving you shit about LeBron. But he's obviously an all time. Great. And it's it's tough to really go at his resume. But there was a time where he was a choke artist. And everyone was like he can't win the big one and the Mavericks series was basically the height of that. Because it felt like he we're gonna win that and Dirk wins at title and you have the game four situation. Could you tell a difference between LeBron that year, and then the next year when you guys come back, and actually, you know, beat the funder and win the title. Dacians Mosser not right in and never been higher. So obviously been blading eight points in a playoff game. He'll tell you. It was unacceptable for him. And it was rose games at hurt us. But you know. He had to go through just like everyone else is he's human still. So there was a different approach things way different go to that following the next year. You know, he took you like it was weird. How he came in does not his personality. He was he was the villain for the first time. He wasn't comfortable with them. And and so when he came back the following year. It was like, okay, I'm not trying to plan apart that I'm not, and you can see your life lot. Lot more free with everything you did. And and obviously in risk game in any profession. You do if you're not comfortable who you are what you're doing. It's hard performed the highest level. So he basically threw stem side and became Louis is now players play more hung over when they're in Miami Miami visiting players. I'm guessing that is trending direction. He'll miami. Miami. Does have a home-court advantage with that with with southeast right around the term. Do you owe it so I have this theory for for Christmas day? Always bet. The unders in the first three games do our guys like not in their regular rhythm because they're either eating or they're spending time with their family opening presents all that stuff is Christmas day tougher to get up for Christmas day. Day. They're they're they're they're call. Because especially if you're the road team, you know, your way from your family, you know, kids at home and doing all that stuff. You don't get to be a part of this as difficult and a different. Yeah, you're right. As a routine, you're not going to do the same stuff. You normally do. Yeah. What's the meanest thing? Someone's ever said about your hair when you had long hair. Bay. They used to kill me on that. Everything they can call somebody. I mean, don't create them because they probably call it to me was. Yeah. Who is who talked the most trash to your who who was the meanest to you when you played in the NBA. But far could Robertson dues or don't they old school gas? They were they were. They didn't care, you know. And and and you know, the games changed a little bit. Because of you know, social and things like that, you're more. There's a lot more friends back. Then there was no friends court. You were then that's what you only you're a young kid came at you see who you were. I think they test you more than anything. Gee, if you what you're going to do if they talk to you guys were the worst. I mean, they were hard hard to deal with rank your career. Looks in retrospect looking back like the wizards Mike the the here, Mike. The heat might. I mean, not really cover G Q address. But I I was always one guy. How try anything? I wouldn't I wouldn't really concerned with it. So I did I did about every hairstyle you can possibly get it, including die in my hair and doing that. So it was just. Be. I just wanted to go out there and who didn't care much outlook. So I read on your Wikipedia that you owned a monkey is that true. I did is the best best pet in the world. Hello, how long were you a monkey owner? I was a monkey order from into two thousand to get rid of two. I'm gonna tell you all story yellow, we got a minute with my monkey. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. I get ready to leave the house and nineteen twenty years old. What's his name was sunny room and? And. Right dangerous time. On your time. But our later, I get a call them the neighbors in the neighborhood say your your monkey is riding your dogs around the neighborhood. Back in the suburbs. During up around my great, Dane, right down the road. And you think my neighbors like me? That's awesome. That's so great. I have a question about the Cavs. When you're on the Cavs. Did you sense any, you know, obviously, the kyri LeBron thing kinda didn't fall apart. But curry wanted out. Did you sense anything there where Kyrie's like, hey, this guy really wants to be an alpha? This he wants to have his own team. I think you know. Well, we got down there and made that in in Cleveland in Cairo was nineteen twenty years old or whatever come up, you know, rookie year and all that stuff. He wasn't. He was just it was in a mode to learn and see what it was like and try to get part of the championship. And it was appreciate what Brown did. But you know for him. He was built to have that to have that the shoulder that responsibility into into take on a locker room and take on a floor by himself. So you could see that always being part of what he was going to do. And it wasn't like I think there's things made out like the relationship. It wasn't nothing with the relationship. I think he was just that's what he wanted. All. Play wanted to see you is able to do at at at the NBA level. Do you think if you were still on the Cavs you would have been able to keep them together? Because you you are like the master. You know, locker room guy. I don't know. I think I think this is what he was supposed to be doing. I'll be honest with you. I don't again. I don't think I I really truly, you know, might think I'm a little bit a homerun. Lebron Eddie milk. I really like to me do my favorite team mate. I it wasn't a relationship thing is just. Hi. We always wanted to see what he was made of and see if he was able to do what he's out there trying to do in Boston Allen. And you learn so much in years in Cleveland. How to be a champion, you know. It's just it's a it's a different beast woman. He built different than a lot of color was there difference between how how can LeBron led the team in Cleveland as opposed to how he did in Miami. Especially given the two different head coaches over there. The narrative out there is you know, LeBron was the coach essentially the Cavaliers for those couple years is is there any truth to that? I think there's a big difference in how he led for. Sure. I think you know, he went he went to my AMI trying to find out what it was like in in what he had to do to win, you know, coming back to Cleveland he'd he'd experienced that. So there's a lot more merit in the things the way he did things in this preparations things and the way he could do, you know, he he could lead. You know, obviously, you have a voice in Cleveland chore. You know in Miami. There's a strong voice in coach Riley in Sposa in the culture and things are there. And you know, I think when he went back to Cleveland he was trying to bring some of that to Cleveland who's the toughest coach you ever played for. Demanding like just on US. Both give you can give me. Yeah. Yeah. The toughest one demanding wise is just is as Miami. It's the culture and that, and I think the stuff that I'm learning and and doing now as a coach I'm taking a lot of that stuff from my EMMY the toughest coach on me wise, and does not does not is just where I was player at the time was probably docked in in Orlando because I wasn't I wasn't. I wasn't ready for that. Or not so much ready for that. But I wasn't prepared. There's so much things I needed to learn when I got there. So it felt like he was always on me. But he's he was helping me. So I think that'd be that'd be the answer. What are some things that you took from Miami to to your job now? Just just you know, from all the coaches, I the my probably my favorite coaches were the ones I learned like doc was one of my favorite movie Brown, we'd probably my favorite coat Miami's called her. And just the way they prepare and do things in and they were the way they make it about the team and things like that a lot of things just practice habits preparation. They were organized t I mean, all those things with some of the stuff, I'm trying to bring how much credit do you? Give Matthew Della Vedova for really perfecting your shot. Huge credit talk talk about guy that just you know, worked with me day and night and got right where I needed to be. I like it. Yeah. Man deli though, he's the best. You were in the the I'm looking at your draft picture right now. Do you actually didn't have to bad of a suit? Do you ever look back at like NBA fashion in the early odds and be like holy shit. What was everyone wearing? Yeah. Am I wasn't much better than mine. Mine was that big baggy looked like look like build empty hammered suits, those things were big. He wasn't that bad. I had I had the big baggy suit. You had you're in one of the worst drafts of all time. I'm looking at it right now. It's actually incredible. It wasn't. It wasn't a great one. You know, Jamal Crawford. Still hold it out for us after nine yet the top ten picks Kenyon. Martin stroll mile swift Darius miles, Marcus Fizer. Remember that Mike Miller Dhamar Johnson, Chris Mihm Jamal Crawford jolt for villa kion dueling holy shit damn drama glory. Nineteen is okay. Do you? I mean that. That's you actually are like L Michael read two in the second round. But are you like you you actually kind of you were the best player in that traffic Szekely? You know, we we we all take it was it was a difficult different drafts last per shore. But tell Jamal still flying nineteen years really lie guys end up playing a lot of years, and and you know, Spar injury. Michael Redwood a play logger mama glow. Or obviously. So we have players, but it wasn't the depth obviously in the top part, spelling will Clinton Richardson. Okay. But I mean, oh my God. I mean, you you trying to spin it as yet a lot of guys playing a lot of years. That's that's just false. I will give you credit your suits as baggy as some of the other ones that I've seen. I was actually I was looking at supper earlier, and I was wondering if the other guys were roasting you for not having a baggy enough suit on draft night. When in retrospect came out, looking good. Free said the gasman Bridget. What some we're wrapping up here. I know you gotta go to practice soon. What was when you were like practicing against LeBron and Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh, what's the one move that each guy has that like is just absolutely unstoppable. What's the spot of their game that no one can do anything if they want to score? They can score. Lebron is why he goes downhill just too big fast. Neth letting the d- way had ridiculous spin move. Do. None with guys like, Tracy McGrady hesitation jumper was ridiculous has jet Lanc. Yeah. And then you know guy that Chris Bosh is a size man size and skill. What was LeBron James actual size who good question is six eight six eight two seventy for sure to seventy two seventy did. He is it true that he gained nine pounds in a game. I lost. I I literally watched the MAG. It was actually seven pounds weight in am am, I am you wait in before games. And that game two to sixty before the game. And he got done playing forty two minutes and had crazy stats and ended up weighing two sixty seven how. It's it is he's not human. I mean, drinking was chugging water. Oh, do you think LeBron is got a alcohol problem? One problem. Too much tennis. Sheesh. I mean. People are saying, let's say. No chance yet. You got a problem? Oh, actually, the two thousand fifteen so you were on the Cavs. When you guys beat the bulls in six games, right? When Dirk rose had the buzzer beater in two in the second third game. For cleveland. Yes. Yes. Was that was the year that the Bronwyn zero dark thirty and then I found out that he liked Instagram page called perfect booties. Did you ever check out? Perfect beauties. I've never seen. I've never seen perfect Moody's. What was this? He's got. He's got an Instagram burner. When he says he's going zero dark thirty. He's not actually going dark thirty come on. That would be a question for him. I don't know. Okay. Well, the facts say you've got him on the phone dot thirty days. I never this phone. Oh, interesting. Do you? Do you still talk Little Brown? Can you tell them like, hey, you should come on the show? These guys are really funny. I definitely talked to a Brown, and I'll and I'll definitely plug you. Just like, yes. Plug me for recruits plug you've for the show. Yes. Hello. You know, we're listen Memphis, building something they're going to be. We're going back to the days of Derek rose going to the to the championship game. Memphis about to be the coolest place to go play basketball Penny Hardaway, Mike. No, absolutely. And we're landing the number one recruit tomorrow. I mean, we've already guaranteed some good momentum were building on. Yes. Who's who's the next guy? You know, what I'm what I'm I'm gonna bring you guys in for the next thirty pitches. All right. You guys got cups again. Got cups again. Yes, is is it. Yeah. Is his name. Lebron James junior. Hm? We gotta wait about four more years. But I wanna to be a bad one ten we'll we'll get to work on him. That's true. Lebron James Ronnie James union is going to be I think we do a live. I think we do a live shoot as a recruiting fish with you guys do a live into a live show what we're recruiting it. Absolutely. We're in I hear he likes Pinot Noir. So if you want to ship a couple of cases of those to his house, we got I'm sure LeBron will make sure it gets into his hands. I do have one final question. Do you think that you're the best South Dakota athlete of all time? Who I mean, I'm a I'm a bet on myself, of course. But there's there. Well, who else we got Adam venit Terry big time, by the way? What about what's what's his name? Mike. What was his fucking name? The he was on South Dakota state this year this last year shooter fill on the dominator. Yeah. Yeah. Mike dumb. Yes. The dominator. Yeah. We we actually play them this year. He's a senior that goes state now is okay. Yeah. He's fucking awesome. Okay. Here's her you're going up against. Adam Viteri, by the way, if you just Google, South Dakota, athletes, you're the second picture that pops up. But here's what you're going up against Annan Viteri, Becky, Hammon, Chad Greenway, Bobby mills. Yup. Brock listener. Are you a better athlete than Brock last real question? Oh, I'll I I don't know if I want to say Brock sees me. What what what me? But I mean, I like my chance I know chat. Chat. Chat had an unbelievable at Minnesota Beckingham was big. I'm a basketball player coaching, obviously at Tonio adamant Terri still, you know, broke records. So you know, I like my chances. I feel good where I'm at. Okay. Last question for me because we're on the topic of South Dakota North Dakota because those always come together pitch us on South Dakota verse North Dakota, y you the better to KOTA. I just we got we got we got we got the better athletes. Give I feel Jack right? I don't know about that. I don't know about tropical climate. I don't know about that. We have down Southfield. Yeah. Yes. Is is there a rivalry? Wait. Oh, no. You're definitely wrong on that. Roger marris, North Dakota athletes, Roger mares, Ronda Rousey, Darin Erstad, lute Olson, Rhonda rouses from North Dakota swim sane right here. Carson wentz. Wow. Brock rat listener what? Ronda, Rousey, we're good, that's problematic. I think I think you're tough. You're not selling me on South Dakota. Known who you think who you think's better, which one is which one has a mount Rushmore Roger mayors, which one not rush out the coda. We got it. Okay. Okay. Can you explain to us why they're to Dakota's? I've never really understood that seems like a bit overkill. There'd be be wanted to go to actually reach Angie. Yeah. I don't really. Dakotas of those states where it's like I can with with one hundred percents certainty say that I will never step foot in either of them in my entire life. I think you should then I'm down. I'm good. No. I'm. Yellowstone? Does that stretch into South Dakota? We got we got we got a little bit every all flavors for you. Whatever you guys want lack jails about Rushbaugh. Okay. What what about last question for me? What what about the pyramid in Memphis? Why did become a bass pro shops? When what happened there? Actually, a cool by is a cool bass pro shop, by the way. But that's you know, that's how old I am. I've played played my first game there when I played the grizzlies. Do you ever go in there? And like, yeah. Like, this is where this is where the legend of Mike Miller was built. And now it's about us. There's not a whole lot about me. It's legend. I just go. I just the fun. Fact, I played there and it was longtime ago. But now the FedEx good. Yeah, plano. Yeah. All right. That's it for us. I also wanted to ask if you ever got if anyone ever called you Matt Walsh, put it probably never happened. Not not yet Mao. Good friend. He's a good friend of lost the bet. Yeah. The was one of the thing I had on this list. Did you ever break the net with swish was that you or was it? Somebody else in Florida. No, I didn't break switch. You had you had. It might have been lost. You had some allowed to swishes of my life. That's what always remember you. Yes. Yes, Swiss it's true. It's true. All right. We're going to come to Memphis sometime in hang out. Thank you so much, Mike. Good luck and out congrats on the number one recruit signing with Memphis, which hope happens. So that we don't have to edit it out of the podcast. Thanks pre-set. I'm in talk to you later cement unending completely different. Okay. We now. Welcome on. You have see legend Chuck, man. Chuck the iceman Ladele. He is fighting. Tito Ortiz again, you fighting again. So let's start there. You're fighting. Tito Ortiz, again is there true bad blood between you guys guys have fought before many many years ago as well. How how how are you feeling coming up to this fight? I feel great. Yeah. I don't like him. He finally I've thought ever, but I don't like that. He's he's not private person. I I like the associate myself. And so, yeah, I I don't like at all do you find that you fight a little bit differently gets him because you actually don't like them as opposed to somebody else that you might just be taking on as a fighter without that kind of bad blood in the back of your head. I it's it really helps me might training. Getting ready for fight is there's no way you're not getting prepared for a guy like that. You don't like it helps motivate me to train extra extra hard and far spiting calculating, not emotional fighter. I'm very very. Very cold. And then I'm trying to set you up all the time. I'm not I think emotion cloud judgment. I try to keep the motion out of the fight. So you're famously obviously, the iceman nickname came because you have you know, you don't get rattled you. You know, your trainer noted that you don't you're not sweating. You're not you don't have the jitters. Have you noticed that has stayed consistent as you become an older fighter instill in the game? Do you still have that like resting heart rate when you're still fighting in the iceman is still the iceman? The I've I've snow relaxed finer, I'm yeah, I love I love being out. Understand, you know, t don't use it false me all the time for not being businessman. He's not this thing forgets. I fight for any says I'm back back in this game. Because they need the money. He forgets. I fight passion. I find. Finding and I was in. Justified in your backyard of energy. It's one of those say, I'm back to fight. Get me wrong. I might get into guys. You know, it's making him everyone's making money. I I like bike share too. But I mean, I mean this passion of he's only been in for that beam in fortune. That's that's on my side. Yes. So you said recently that if you can't be Tito Ortiz, you shouldn't even be fighting anymore. And you're actually kinda using this as a launching pad for to keep fighting and get back in the game even more how long do you want to fight for? We'll play by ear and depends on how how everything going out how my body feels that. It'd be a fight to fight that decision. Okay. So and then teeter, you said that the comment about TRT's of I can't be Tito, I shouldn't be fighting. Do you think is going to be a walk in the park for you? I mean, like he's just a bag of doughnuts or I mean, like he he's not a great body anymore. He's an asshole like you said, do you think it's going to be easy one first round? I I don't think he's a walk in the park bagging dollars. I just think he's a good to find some means. And measuring stick where I am. Now. I go in there. I think I actually take a knock on the first round nine. Okay. Mashes? He actually really believes he's trying to convince me stand with me and chain. So if he really thinks he's gonna do that. I think even I mean wants planning on going to change his mind about two or three big punches into it. But yeah, I I don't I'm expecting expect Bank in the first round. All right. What's what's the hardest that you've been hit in the past you flood a lot of heavy hitters. You know, that's hard to say you because you don't think, you know, I'm not as many times, and you don't remember the giants. You know, you know, that doesn't. That we lose that. No time right there. But. Family antar. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to one last question for me the this. You haven't fought in eight years and Tito Ortiz fought last year. So if anyone is out there being like, this is just like a money grab or I mean, eight years a long time. You don't understand? Why people would maybe you know, throw up. The caution flag and say what the hell is chocolate El doing so trying to convince those people the haters of which there might be many why they're wrong, and why this actually is a comeback, and you're going to be fighting into the future here. I'm you know. Eight is the only way he can convince them by actually showing them. If you guys just watch me tonight. I will show you that I'm in great shape, and I'm still able to fight and quite willing to fight is still there. I'm gonna be fighting and I plan on by that. I I told my wife when I started saying if I get back in shape, I want you to know I'm going to find these far more time. 'cause I'm I'm ready to get out. I I'm not getting cheap just want to be there's a saying out there that's attributed to Mike Tyson. I don't know if he actually said it or not. But it's you know, everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face with you. You're a guy that has historically been able to keep your plan after you get punched what happens after you get hit the first time. Does it like feel good for you? Does it like focus you in more knowing that you're actually in a fistfight now? Yeah. I mean for me. It's like I reminded me. I made a mistake. And I need I need to make him pay for it. Okay. I I, you know, I just okay. Oh, okay. Movement or not make him pain right now. So again that makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. So Chuck, so you said first round knockout you feel at Tito Ortiz. Your first fight in eight years. You're back in shape. What was the hardest part about getting back in shape, by the way. You know, I took it real small. So I eased back into getting back in shape. But it was just you know, just being. I actually really backing jam. I started getting in their all time. I was in actually pumped home very excited to be there. And so the hardest thing I, you know, just, you know, coming into being being at my time. You mean a lot lot FINA laugh having to get back to get back in shape. Hey, going crazy. Wrestling wrestling on in. While. Four time fighting. Yeah, I was actually asking that as a personal question because I'm out in really bad shape. And I want to get back in shape. So are getting cheap for the first time. I life. You know, the thing is it's it's usually just the first couple of weeks. Once you get an once again started this take it, easy, and the way I didn't I slowly got increase my training, slowly increased it so you know, they didn't have enough. Yeah. Baby. Stays just take the way to get back in shape is just take it easy. Don't do anything uncomfortable. Yeah. Yup. He's in. Many people trying to jump right back back in at full speed. That's yeah. No, I'm not. I'm not going to be one of those people. I'm not jumping right back into it. I'm gonna take it easy. You know? I don't want to be a number. Ease into plant. Okay. The plan is to use ease into what I thought you're now the plan is to just chill out. And he's into it. Right. Okay. All right. Well, think I got. You have to get started with. Yeah. I'm starting with the easing into it. Like in Chilin, you're like no, actually when you're talking about doing right now is jumping full speed ahead into easing. Yeah. I don't know if that's healthy. Big chuck. I'm worried about how fast you got me going into the ease it into it part of the program. Do we should you? Don't like us. I'm so happy this guy because you'd probably want to kick our Asrat now. He has plenty. Man. All right. We'll Chuck thanks so much, man. Preciado it and best luck. Anytime. You're New York City come by. And let's do this person. I sounds got man. All right. Thanks, chuck. Okay.

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Wyoming Trapper Mike  Podcast Episode 148

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Wyoming Trapper Mike Podcast Episode 148

"One year got. Trapped I. Liked I liked. And I liked right where It'd be able to spend more time in the woods I was losing money. Getting traps out there is the hardest part I think with leave. In the back of MONTROSS earthly. We're going to. No matter what? Guide traffic. Partner. This is what you. Get to ask them guys. You know, everything. This song. China, learn something from pledging to ask questions without asa volume the game magazine especially for her they're going hurt ran. The whole? To. Fattening Radio Trafford Carcelle me that's pretty. To developers system yet working ahead. To build the traffic. The Good Path? Told about these big hands most of my to come from down hot probably the best part. Of. Plane Predator Shush Waiters About even. Better. Of Our. Back in the first, this is trapping thing Jeremiah would thank you for tuning in and here. We are brought to you by cots brothers, viewers K Eighteen, the IRS dot com trapped smarter work harder joined the success that offers Cuthbert the traffic's by dealer of choice podcast have traps snares. Books in. DVD's every media start on the trap line prospered. We're also brought to you by on x maps, turn your phone fully-functioning view. Mark traffic occasions, record your tracks, travel routes, get landowner information parcel data, figure out who owns what what the parcel looks like. And look at the latest aerial imagery scouting and find the roads and. Bridges and everything else need go to next maps, dot com use the Promo Code Trapped T. R. A. P. or twenty percent off your first purchase. That's. Promo code trap at on maps. Dot Com thanks on x maps. They cost pros. Let's get into the episode. Guys great to have you here again as always. So tonight, we got an interview with Mike Miller from Wyoming. Mike has been on the podcast before we're going to get him back again to talk a little bit about what he's been doing. Since the last time we talked we're sometime in the middle of the winter middle trapping season last year when we talked so. that's coming in just a minute. A little update. If you go to trapping today, dot com I did post this morning a firm market update and for race forecast I guess you could call it for two thousand twenty, twenty, twenty, one, I get a lot of web traffic on the for price information. So I thought it would be important to to throw that out there because I know a lot of people who don't listen to this show and maybe aren't up to speed on what's going on in the trapping world are looking for information on what for prices are going to look like, and of course, as you know if you've listened to this Things are obviously not spectacular. Not even good not even close to good. But you can go to trapping day DOT COM, check that out for a little bit more detail information and kind of a recap of what we've already talked about here on the podcast. Things going on at trapping today, the shirt, the mustache t shirt, the absolute beautiful work of art I have been shipped and a few more of those out. Sorry were out of extra-large xl and X X X L big guys I apologize I underestimated you. So I did not order enough for the larger sizes we have small medium large still available. So if you have a though sizes, you can go hidden and place your order, and if you want to get a larger size shirt, shoot me an email girod G.. Let me know if I get enough emails I will order another batch those and and get them up on the site. I've been thinking about maybe kind of. amping up the way that I sell things. So I've got right now I sell the lure and the shirts. And you can no books just just lures and the shirts. Well, you can get the for profit book actually I take that back. On trapping today, Dot Com through a gum road, which is really neat. Company that helps process payments and do the online. Store stuff. But really I'm thinking about taking it to the next level with something like shop where you have like a full on store I've something I've been kind of. Doing for quite a long time because I don't really WANNA BE I don't. That's really not my style I. Guess I, don't WanNa be that. I don't WanNa be supply dealer. I don't want to be one of those guys and. I just. But however, I have things that I produce that I want to sell directly to listeners of the podcast and to readers the website just just regular folks and not a full line of anything just kind of things that I produce and I make and I I like that. ability through this medium of podcasting and the Internet to be able to communicate directly with the community. And people like you and be able to sell things that I produce to people like you. So without having a middleman involved and they're obviously we need a middleman in most cases you know you need the the. The minister trap lines and the Koch Brothers in order to. Put together those. Lines of of supplies and everything that you need in one place where you are from one person. But there's guys like me that may be produced a small number of different products. That were very focused on on the quality of the product and they come directly from us and we just we don't want to go through the process of. Finding dealers and. Wholesale prices and big quantities and everything like that. We just WanNa want US kind of. share share the love with listeners and with people that are part of the community with in the things that we produce. So. I've got the shirt I've got the two books, Walter, Arnold Maine, trapper stores, WanNa last mountain man check that out on Amazon. You can buy that book is twenty two bucks or twenty bucks shipping included and it's it's a really awesome books it's over three hundred pages. Of Stories from trapping back in the thirties, forties and fifties, you're going to love that book if you haven't checked it out already and it's getting a lot of attention I'm really amazed impressed with the number of people they're buying that book. for-profit trumpers guided Monitor fair-market, Amazon or trapping today dot com you can find that. We have the shirt the mustard t shirt, and then we also have the long distance call trapping lure that I make, and that's been a great product. It's been an old standby for me. The FBI used that LDC for years and I just love it. But I've I've kind of thought about. Expanding the whole trapping lure side of things and I've been I've spent several years. Experimenting with different lures and testing things out and coming up different formulations. And I have I have several lures that are kind of. been through testing. The formulas are good. The ingredients everything's kind of working together. Everything's good. The catch a lot a for their great lures and I just haven't brought him out. to sell as a product and I'm kind of in the middle of that process of trying to. To take that step in and bringing them out as products so Stay tuned for that because in the next few weeks, I may actually have a full on store online store with trapping today lures the shirts and the books. For you to to get on and check out and help support the podcast and also get your lures. I mean, you know there's there's A. A lot of you guys that have to pick up lures for this upcoming trapping season why not get them from me? Eating go to convention because there were few if any conventions. Out. there. So you got to place orders The the stuff that I make. I don't make very much. I'M NOT GONNA make allure for every species. That's just not in the cards right now and I think. Some some of the whole. Mean to get off on a tangent here but we're GONNA go there. Some of the. Lou Species specific lures are. Are created because they you can sell more Gore that way in every major lure company has. Lures for each species and and maybe that's a requirement to be a successful lure maker and seldom because everybody wants a specific Lewis I pacific species doesn't exactly work that way I mean, there are species specific. Lures however, there are also lures that. Work for a vast array of different species, the long distance caller will essentially work for anything except the water animals. So, you know any Predator that's on land is GonNa come to that long distance call. IF IF I may be A put, you know a few different ingredients and turn the LDC until like five or six different lures for different species for Fox and coyote. and Bob Gatt and Martin and Fisher will then maybe sell more lure that way but. It's it's. If I sell a SPEC- specific lure, it's going to be because I. have a valid reason that that Moore worked for one species much better than it does for another based on testing based on knowledge and information about that species and what attracts that particular species to allure. So it's it's kind of I guess what you're going to get if you I learn from me is you're gonna get everything out there. With no I'm just not a very good marketer. I'm not a good. S. artist. I said that before but. That's probably why I'm not a good marketer because I can't Ellie Bowl bleep story about. how great this stuff is I I know what it is and I'll tell you it is, and if if you if you want to know the exact ingredients, I'll tell you every ingredient that's in every single or that I make I'm just I'm an open book that's just the way I've always been and that's the way am and I'm not going to change that so. with that said stay tuned you might see some lure big lure offering in the works I've got one coming. That is been an experimental lor for a while I've used it for a couple seasons. And I actually last year I, sent it out to a bunch of you guys. To test it and got back all the information there it it tested really well. people loved it. It's an excellent lure and that's I've been. I've been making a bunch more of it and it's kind of gut. It's kind of setting right now and and It's not quite ready for bottling yet, but it will be soon and I think I'm GonNa. Call that Predator that that lures can be Predator I have so. We'll get into this a little bit in future episodes but that lure is is a really spectacular lure. It's it's got a lot of it's kind of a combination of. A bunch of different ingredients that appeal to different senses of. Predators. But so what I did I added skunk essence to this lure and I because I wanted it to be a call for I wanted to be something that we call animals from a long distance but we've talked about this in the past on the podcast about the. You know the the. Positives and negatives using skunk on the trap line. Skunk essence has for very long time been an excellent ingredient for calling animals for long distance. It's really hard to be I mean it's kind of. The Standard. But Skunk I've had people mentioned this to me in the past and I I really believe it's true that skunk can be overused. And if officiers traveling on road and every fifty yards for five miles and I've seen him travel for five thousand zero believe it or not even their home ranges supposed to be smaller than that. I've seen Fisher travel very long distances up here. and every hundred yards, every fifty yards, they smell skunk. don't you think at some point if you know if they don't react to that and find food that kind of gets old right So skunk can be overused. So I I thought about for a long time and I decided to make this lure in two different versions. One, with gunk essence and one without and the lure without the skunk essence is is an absolute dynamite lures just not gonNA call animals from a mile away. So mccomb Predator in Predator plus. Predator plus the one with a skunk essence for the long distance calling factor. But the Predator you know that's GonNa be heavy to. fermented fish eggs, beaver. Oil Sacks. CAST aurium. mink glance. and. Now of other essential oils and and sense that are are That they just they combined to make pretty incredible lore. It's it's got a lot of calling power. It's a, it's unique sent It's just it's got. It's got a lot of power packed into A. Small package and I think is going to be a great lure for a Lotta people. So stay tuned for that. That's GONNA come up at some point all as always with all these lures were relatively small audience and I'm making these out of my I shed in relatively small, very small batches, and so I'm GonNa Throw them up there on the site we'll see what happens if a bunch of people order them I'm GonNa. Make an effort to to keep up with the stock, but there's a lot of ingredients evolved and if I sell out and I can't get everything can't make another batch and trapping season starts, it may not be available but I will certainly keep you up to speed on that lure as it progresses in the ability of it also have a lure them gonNA call sweetness it is a sweet lure that I developed actually four Martin. Because I found that in a lot of cases the especially in the early season. With warmer temperatures, Martin Not really attracted to that skunk and they weren't attracted quite so much. For Meat based foods, they're still feeding on berries and not center things like that. So this lure kind of appeals to those senses and that habit that Marne nearly season's just. So happens as an awesome coon lure as well and awesome e even coyotes and foxes are curious about it. It's A. It's a good change up lower good sort of shoulder season lures something that will will be a little different than most what use in in most of your trapping it's basically a combination, strawberry, oil honey and Anna's oil. So stay tuned for sweetness to come on the market as well, and we'll have those available or we won't I will I Oh, it's funny. Auto small businesses. Say We you know we do this. We're doing that. It's really it's one person you it's it's me. So I'm not gonNa try to pretend like. Any bigger than I am it's just me here in the first shed and putting together few lures ahead of the trapping season still going to get my traps together, get their estimate Martin boxes made and everything else. So it's kind of overwhelming but it's always great to sit down with you and do a podcast and great to talk with Mike I. got a few other interviews like to get to here upcoming in the next several weeks. We'll see if we can get those done I'm I'm really excited about him when I think you're going to be excited as well. So without I've talked way too long. And outlets get into the view with Mike Miller from Wyoming and wind river trapping supplies brand new business. Let's get into it. So the last time we talked to you I, think we were like halfway through trapping season some something somewhere around there Maybe be called. Up Update and how the rest of your season went. Yeah. So so the season last year went We were just plagued. Man We struggled we I. Just couldn't believe how much I struggled. With frozen ground. and. My my hope you know all my tracking just struggled severely all year because the frozen ground and then I didn't I didn't have I didn't start out with extras. I was GonNa Try Peat Moss. Peat. Moss works. Maybe. And locations that don't get twenty below you know. And so I struggled with that and. Finally started making I was I was drying emotion a Turkey. Roaster in the. Barn. I could even before I can even wax it. And And so that was that was a pretty big struggle. Well, we'll where we were really successful at were always really really well with Kuhn's 'cause that's just something i. mean we all know we're. Always travel of. Muskrat we we cleaned up on Muskrat last year. We just Kinda we trap him when we wanted to and. The population is extremely down south here where right way right by where we're at with all the irrigation. In the lake and everything right here. So. That was really more of A. When you need it Baiter when you WanNa just. You Know I. Like to facilitate my trap line and make it somewhat successful. Yeah you want to check something in traps. Right, and and for some reason I always no matter what and I kind of joke about come trapped in the Muskrat trapping, they're like fishing for blue, Gill? I could be at a wall I turn. And I'd get a I'd get a blue Gill hit on shoreline and I'd be standing there vertical digging for Blue Gills three hours you know. For no reason whatsoever. But yeah, just kind of can't avoid just still can't avoid. In good tune signed. Seemed good Muskrat fine and thrown a bunch of sets out. So we always. We always run this really. Open in our our our chaplains. is we'll have dirt holes and cubby sets routines and we'll have. Musk that's implode sitting here, and then you go around the corner and it's the dog truth line with a mile. Long. At the thing that's I, boy that a lot more. It's quite interesting that way. I think we talked a little bit last time about rat sign and where rats lived in east versus West and you notice. A difference between Ohio, in Wyoming you. Yeah Yeah. Wow that it just absolutely blew my mind. Where where, when I was I was used to be ball. You know and see and Muskrat Muskrat houses and and And going off of that and I've still to this day and never seen never seen a Much. Fat Off or anything here. But there every you know they're everywhere. and. I figured out a bunch more stuff about them. Getting, well, versed in animals that aren't worth anything but. So we've got a drainage that comes off of the lake that runs east and West True East and West. and. In the wintertime it's quite cold here. The North Bank of that. Of that waterway in its recessed about fifteen feet. It's a if it's a deep trench. The North Bank of that I would set on both sides because there's cattails on both sides of that waterway and I never caught a I never thought a Muskat on the south side of that waterway. So we tend feet wide. But the sun. Shines on the north side Yep. Yep. And The sun rises and sets you know and so. When, when it got snow, the bank on the south side was always snowed in the north side was always open. And it was. It was little things like that before when I was used to trap them in a bog or trapping trapping on living quarters that I never noticed. Miniscule details like that, right? Yeah, and so you're you're looking for holes in the bank pretty much an. Yes. Right Right, yeah, we're. So we work we were running. We are running. Ditch bank holes, and running some colony traps and then I ransom bottom edge sets. which were necessarily that successful in that waterway. That waterways probably I don't know eight or nine miles long. And it's all public grounds so we didn't really get. For. Muskat. We didn't get too far away from that because it's too easy. But there's there's a lot of debris. The pick up debris now and then going down. And then we'd start picking up ice going down later on. So we have our bottom headsets weren't terribly successful. Just. Because of. Sticks and stuff going down there and setting up one ten but. How's the call ups work for you? They work great They work great when you could find the bank when you could find the bank and holes I I like I really liked when pollen traps. Yes. The one problem I did have with them. All of the bank in holes. Were primarily. You know at a ninety degree angle from the flow, of water. And this water moves at a rapid pace. I mean if thirty below it doesn't freeze. You know it's it's moving at a rapid pace always gotta wake. So Ed problem with the current take and picking up. Just slowly kicking up Moss and picking up Moss. If you didn't pull your call any trapped every day and clean them out. Clean. All the little praise and stuff out of them. So I got away because it was it was kind of a Hassle Yup. And I made. I made a bunch of. Muskrat. Oh. It's similar to what a HAG setup looks like, but it's made with a construction steak and a one by four playing. The slide up and down the construction steak and when you set your trap on it. And you it just like? Would you know you? Stick a nail through your. Needs to canal about ten or twelve inches up above the water and you'd have your bait sticking out of it. And I made a bunch of them because I was too cheap to buy bags clips or. Sudden Valley makes us set up like that as well. And I was having so much fun with that new setup I kinda. quit. Messing around with calling traps quit messing around with the one tens and I just kept experimenting with these. Coils or One and a half thumb. Wolf Creek one and a half was what I'd run. The water level. Yeah WH- where I. Experimented with everything I was sitting on the niche above water sitting them two inches below water right at the water level to see what worked and then how high I was sitting. And then what direction the trap was facing in the water for? Right. That's that's the biggest, the biggest deterrent, the catching animal in that setup. To catching a Muskrat and that setup is which way the trap facing? Away from the Bait. Downstream. Because the only way, the Muskrat can only swim to get there because if it's swim downstream to hit like tugboat has no control. Yeah I mean. Right and Why doesn't a person? Think of that when you're you know? Doing it on your I was trying to do it on my own and not. Not. Research how Clint locklear and every pro in the world that I was trying to learn on my own. And when it was all done and I'm looking at all my on my for good Lord, downstream is like four to one. One To the other. Extreme simple whiter than I. Think about that like when you're trying to put a boat on a sphere if you're putting your boat on a trailer at the river. You don't point. Trailer, upstream because you're never, GONNA. Hit. It. Yeah for Hey, that those are lessons that that will stick with you. Know and that's something that you read. Right. And that's why that's why I like on purpose. I didn't go out and seek all that information because if the. I watched A. Five I watched like A. Five or ten minute video Randy Newberg using Sun Valley. Clips trapping muscats up the Montana and was like I. Did that set up I'm GONNA make my own? Just, from scratch and then I didn't really research it anymore it's just different than what had done and I knew heads clips and stuff were out there and I know what the the principal of them. I, just never ran them before. And and so I just that's the way I like to learn. And that's why coon traveling was always fun to me because it was just. Totally random you could just make something up and it. May Not work. Yeah, there's a lot. To learn a lot a lot of different catches and chances to test things. Right and it's probably also one. I'm not a very good time. I don't know I thought coyotes are interesting. They can be a challenge if. I mean it's a it's a blast I. Love the. Love the mental side of it you know and And we're we're. Doing. We didn't finish last year off very well, we didn't after we talked after. That interview I've probably had maybe one or two more weeks I had traps out and I ended up just pulling them. And because of weather and work and some other things I had going on, I didn't really get. Out on the line much after that. So we didn't we didn't get any better last year but I learned a lot about I just learned so much about signing movement. That I didn't know. Yeah. That's the beauty having that snow. And and we kept it year round. So you just I mean we didn't keep it year round but for. For eight months trapped. Seven months that we trap last year we had snow ninety, five percent of time. So you could just sit there day in and day out and watch it and we were. We were always you know we were always. A week or two behind the animal because we didn't know we doing. And We just weren't aware. of how everything was moving Like right. So right when we did our last interview. All. Of the sign of movement coyotes in one area that I was in on open range disappeared. I'm disappeared never seen another track and figure it out so. I I kinda went trekking off. And one of the things that we noticed was that all the rabbits on the rangy land was on and we had a really healthy out of the population. You couldn't really figure out where they were really. Sound Rabbit tracks probably a mile or two away. There's a there's a pond. It's a good sized pond out in the middle of this habitat. This drifted in. You can't drive a truck back there probably a half a mile hike. And all of the Ravitz it went to the pond area because the reads. They drained the pond partially and all the cat jails were really tall. Okay and provided this great installation for them to get up and. Well when I went back there I got coyote tracked everywhere on this palm. The night before I'm like, what in the heck is going on? There all over here because all the foods. Yep, I didn't. You know and I didn't. I wasn't paying attention to I wasn't paying attention to that I was trying to say I was already behind the trying to follow catch. You. Know catch it from behind I. Don't really know you know. And So we set some sets out there on the pond and that was pretty was pretty interesting. They were experimental of sorts but I can say I've caught A. I've caught a Cayo on the ice in the middle of a phone on the ice, use a drag or. No no I drove. The the isis about eighteen inches thick. And I drilled took a like a Mason redid. Drill down and drove a wolf ain't anchor through the ice. And how to set up on there was a little clue materials coming out in the middle of the water and I said it right next to that and just made it look like. Not. Really Resolve it. It is yet but there was just enough brown I actually used. USED WAX dirt. Kinda some red. Cow. In that whole area but they're still captured teams all over. It's kind of a swamp on the bottom ground. It was. It was one of the it was one of those cool things. I you know you can say that you've done it but. I don't know how. I don't know how productive. Yeah. You probably wouldn't WANNA, run fifty sets like that. No no first of all that it's a, it's a ton of work. It was it was fun to do. but then again, you know that's another one of those deals were they were there in the couch were there three or four days, and then they were Gone Yep. And then they were off somewhere else you know and and everything. So open out here that. 'cause I wasn't here preseason and I wasn't following them around all areas words and how their patterns were stuff. I had no idea where they were going. Now I've got. I've got a pretty good idea. So three locations what they got going. Yeah and you can check check one of them. If they're not there, you know to go to the next spot checking out there you go to third spot and your chances are you're gonNA find That was kind of the last success that we had with coyotes, but we kept catching we We caught a bunch of teams for some folks. And I still have those sitting in my first yet if anybody wants to buy some tunes. A Lotta rain out there. Yeah. So we got lucky on on highlight live last year I found I found a buyer for. For Q for mccune and Muskrat and. stunks Cairo threes you to sell out here 'cause anybody who right. But for my for my for my own my other game, I found a really good. there was neat and some that there was needed to fill a quota. and. I was like I got ten dollars a nose for Kunst your wife, which was better than most better than most people got my sure. Yeah and and now everything that I sold. The first time, the only thing that kept was what I thought looked like a three exer- beggar. When I was coon trapping. Only keeping was only keep the big coon and we catch some just monsters I. mean they're they're. They're big body tune out here. I really like them. But So those were three export ex put up pretty decent I. I think I do okay. Putting up coon I. Think I'm better at it now but and. So yeah, I got I did really well, I got ten dollars knows for those and five dollars knows for the skunks. and. I think two or three dollars for two or three dollars for the Muskat which I was tickled pink. For for that, you know and then. We Got Think like the low side. Low side on the cows was twenty dollars and high side versus. One hundred dollars put up last year we all sold about one on. And then. All. My other stuff I was. Just. Kind of kept trapping small line, run it on the weekend type of things that leave sets opera two or three days in Poland and go back and set later, and so I've got this Menagerie of. Of muskrats and Kunz here and then. You know those the world fell apart and covid nineteen happened. And options died in you know than ever nobody was buying toon nobody was buying. SCRAT- and. Where we were going to tamp them. and. then. We just got busy. Never Tandem so I'm actually symptoms. In the send him to grow walls and and just what I get out of them just to see what the. What the Queen Market GonNa be. Because I don't know. I know you were front and center watching the. Watching the fha auction and I don't think there was a lot of folks tickled pink about. Too many animals that went across the board, their young be hard to call it an auction. Way It went. Yeah it was. It was really really rough to I. watched part of it had part of it playing in the background while I was at work. And that was pretty rough to watch. I, I missed I missed coons in. Didn't even realize that I missed a tunes on like there's no way they could get. They weren't. Yeah. And so apparently, it took about fifteen minutes to get through all the logs so that that wasn't good. Does anyone have any any interest whatsoever in Kuhn's. And the room was silent. Okay. Moving on. Yeah and that man that really hurts. 'cause that Kuhn market just seems like it's kind of. It's kind of litmus test for the high end and the low end of the market you know. When when the are dead everybody. Everybody's up in arms about what's going on. And then and then I was pretty stoked I'm like. All right. Well, let's see what did the Bob Cats do well, that was A. Yep that that was really. Really rough for these guys out here. I. Don't I don't get into too much Bob Cat trapping yet just I just haven't got. It's one. You know it's just another. Lincoln. The chain that'll pick up some time but There's a lot of heights out here. That are really down dumps about seeing. You know no sailing western Bob Cats that doesn't happen right Yep. Yeah. It's it's it's unprecedented like a lot of things. So, what are what are your plans for this season? Well I. Got You know per her would be personally I've got. I'm always GONNA run I'm always going to run a multi species. It just because. Just because I I, I do I've been spending a lot of time finding markets, reach individuals, things so I can make it worse while I'm still struggling with some of the coon. Might have found somebody that's interested in high with head coach. For coon on gotTA. Kinda verify that but. I might have somebody that's invested in. In a couple of hundred. Cream hides heads, or for different market he's not he's not moving them on the auction market. I A ten verify that source a little bit that. We're running. I'm GONNA traps, and beaver and Muskrat for meat for Bait. Make, make my own I, make my own bait and I've started selling my own. And so I've got that market and then. I've got a local buyer for Caster, which is good. You know so if you. Kind of look at the. Look at the beaver market if you completely discredit to hide whatsoever. If you can move. Beaver meet Bait Bieber meat-based base and you can. Get a decent amount of caster out. Of remark it's not. That bad. It's just a lot of work. Sure. It's Kinda. Kinda goes back to I used to when I used to travel I used to just sell everything in the round. And I made a little bit of money and then there was no money in that. So then you started have star putting up first. Then, when they're when the kind of money fell out of that, then you like putting up a first and you're putting up me and you're. Cleaning. Heads. In, your you're selling clause. Depending on the animal it's kind of a different deal but seems like Every every so many years you've got to pick up another task just to just to be able to get by with it but. I- Mandy you you get really well rounded and. Knowing what to do and How to process animals and? Yet. If nothing else this market is gonNA make marketers out of all of us because we're probably going to have to create things we can sell out a for we catch. To a large extent. Yea absolutely I I mean. I you know I think one of the one of the best things for this is like a side project that I've got going on. Maybe we can talk about later on the follower later on which one of the best things in the world for fur trappers is to have. Your base trappers more educated than they were. Before you know the smarter your base is the. Better. You are when you're if you're fighting anti or if you're trying to make the market better if you've got, you know if you're just throwing everything dumbly selling everything in the round and just going on your. You know you're kind of missing out on all this extra stuff but if you're. Doing like Tyler sell up in Alaska and got your own website and selling your own years making. RUPP's out of I you. You guys have been talking about that and you talked about that was time and that's that's interesting. You know how? You know he's you know I mean, that's his livelihood. and He's you know. Pretty smartly going about how to. How to take advantage of. How to make it work for him you know. If more of us are doing that more of us are known. Mark. The whole the whole group of us are getting better you know. We're more educated on the animals. Fish and we're harvesting product that is really valuable is just so happens that the market doesn't see it that way right now but furs incredibly warm. It's incredibly it's beautiful it's durable. It can be used for wide variety different things. So it's just a matter of GonNa make that connection in trying to figure out what we can do for that the market would actually consume. Absolutely Yeah I I. That's what we're trying to do. You know we're we're we're getting into We're we're trying to get into a bothers many different things as we can because you can't. Really. Right now you're you're not wasting anything if you're experiment. You're right. Exactly you you can. That's a good time learning right now because you know you can write how to handle for, and if you make a cut in the height, you're not much. Right I. Mean. It's it's a great time to learn a great time to get your kids in the first shed. And you're not worried about them running a forty five dollar. you know a forty, five, dollar beaver pelt it's it's a four dollar be repel at best. Get. After You know get after it looks. But down. It's it's a great time to teach. And then The other thing about it is. I'm not. I'm not somebody on my line that's worried about making dollars and sense when I'm traveling I'm traveling like it's just like deer hunting to me I'm I'm I'm a lot different from a lot of other chapters but. I do run a business in the background it's based around trapping that does all of that you know. So so I'm always conscious about how to make money and how to do that. When the first not valuable you're not. You can seeking layoffs worrying about running two hundred coyote sets, catch only coyotes and. Go Out Mentor somebody you know. or or take your. You know like might might slow you down but if you throw your kids in the In the UTD, with you go out and run your trap line with them and run half as long as chaplain. Might find out. I've I've found out. That there's more value in that to me than. Than trying to I've I've never been a you know. I've always worked so much I've never been able to run along the line. But I just assume go check six that's with my kids have snowball fight in the middle of it. then. You know run run thirty or forty sets the fast as I can get back home because only slept for four hours last night. With this side project you're working on. Yes so that the side product is when we moved out here to Wyoming we. Like. Yeah. You Know Wyoming's like. There's there's all kinds of travelers year and I mean, it's just the history Wyoming and everything and it's great and it's why we wanted to move year. Let's go school find a local sporting goods store. Figure out where we can buy traps, we talk shop and stuff like that, and there's nothing. It was a surprise when. I mean I was I was actually really really surprised It was like you know in Ohio, you could go to 'cause you go to Cabela's and they'd have. They'd have a shelf on an they'd have a shelf or they'd have traps and nobody knew anything about him. and you just had to know your own you know if they were then. Yeah. Right and so. We we got we got to check in around and you can go to bomb guards and you can buy like they have one duke number three on the shelf, and they have one to twenty on the shelf. Like a number one stop loss long spring. Three types mask. and. I'm like that's kind of a kind of a Downer where I grew up in. Red Grew up in Nebraska, we used to have a couple of small town. You know sporting goods stores where you go in there and the guy that owns it's been there for thirty years and he's the only one that works there. That's just Kinda can. Get your stuff there and talk shop and. This demand will. So we got to thinking about it and I've got. A couple of friends in the business of Mesa traps and sell traps and stuff like that and we're living maybe we just become that person here you know. So, I made a couple of contacts and said, you know, what was it take? To get a wholesalers licensed to sell a few traps and I started with with Glenn witchy over Wolf Creek products reached out to him and and and Glenn Glenn's awesome to work with us a great guy and I really liked traps I i. it's almost solely what I personally run. But got. His price. That's you know that's not too bad. There's There's not a time money in this. But it's you know it's not too bad and then. So we took. We just took some some of our own money and we started wind river trapping supplies, this spring and then. Probably. I don't know. Two weeks after the the shutdown happens in most of the United States we got our LLC finished through the state and our. Tax Id it's a perfect time to start a business. Yeah absolutely. Starting at the bottom heavily. Heavily. Sarcastic. Sharp plan changed quite a bit. We had like in the fall we started talking about it in the fall you know, and then around Christmastime, we got pretty serious about it and we. Kinda. Put through together and and really started talking about how we were going to do it and we had an investment plan and everything how much we were gonNA. Put into it and then. And Kovin started the whole. Cronin virus all this craziness started we we really set back and you're like man I don't know what would you do? And Sell coon. Now, you can't do this. You can't do that. We we've really stepped back. What our intentions were dollar? Wise. So we're we're just we're just a grassroots. traveling supply company out in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming here come we haven't which you don't even have a website set up yet. Kind. Of on purpose. On the main goal kind of for the first year was to figure out locally. What we were going to sell because. As you know there's You know twenty different trap manufacturers and there's four hundred different types of traps and this, and that Bayton you can go out and spend one hundred, thousand dollars in by. By traps and by all the stuff, it's not what people want. So. That's. That's where we're at right now we're we're kind of. A. Little Bit of inventory and we don't have much but we we sell locally. And? Deliver locally and everything else and. And then As a business the biggest thing about it as a business or be an advocate than it is to be just an individual. I don't necessarily know why that is. But I can. Talk to somebody. I can talk to somebody about a trapping related topic. As a business owner in the trapping business. and. Be heard more than. Hey trapped. How's it going? It gives you a little bit a little bit different platform. Right and so and then and we can we can help out. So we're. We work pretty closely with with some of the guys some of the guys, trappers, association, the president. lives right here in town Tom Krause. He's right here in town Tom. No of Tom he's he's a great guy he's. One of the coolest is in the world meet a stink. But. So we've gotten quite we've gotten pretty involved with them There's kind of a big movement in the states year about some trapping reform. That they're trying to push the were. You Know World War I saw that in the news a few weeks ago and I haven't seen anything since what's going on So basically, there's there's about six or eight different topics that they're trying to break up bring up with the Wyoming Fish and game commission. To look at for new trapping relations. So they're not they're not setting you trapping regulations right now they're just discussing what? What the topic worth pursuing, but the the the the game and fish department brought this up right and it wasn't the Anti. Correct, it was brought. It was brought up through the game. It was brought up through the game and Parks Commission this time. it. It did come through the Gaming Commission and it's it's very organized. Study is what they're doing right now. that's what we've recently participated in is very organized study. Where they get community members, Bass community members together. To vote you know what's what do you feel the importance of bishops? What do you feel the importance of two? And it's pretty typical topics. Check Times. You know check Check schedules. Setbacks. Changing. Like. Disallowing trapping and certain public areas. Like high pilot. Highly frequented public areas and there's a few others have them directly in front of me. spout them off per se but. The big thing with those is is We started pushing pretty hard. As trappers to get out there and get involved in these initial meetings because. You know the anti trafficking groups. Are you know they're they're they're pretty big advocates for these change so they're pushing. You know they're they're. A pretty good body count some of these meetings and. If you don't if if you don't show up representative community then. You have no representation there minus you know the trappers associations always going to have somebody there. But. You don't get a good population there. you're not really speaking out for yourself. You know. So the last the very last meeting we were able to. we we got a really good I. Kinda I put some stuff on facebook advertising saying. You know, hey, come on out. Let's get involved and. I'm starting to? Get Some followers on facebook. Listen to me I don't know why. And it turned out really well I. I don't mind meetings like that I'm not somebody that's. Like I'm not a large loud vocal person eighty anti. I OUR COUNTRIES MADE UP A. People with differing opinions all the way across the board I just. I don't I don't dislike somebody I just. Don't. Dislike you trying to take away you know I don't. I. Don't try to take away somebody else's rights it. I'm not interested in so. It's hard to say politically correct. I suppose but. So, we'll see what's GONNA come out of those meetings. If they're GONNA do with that information is they're gonNA, compile it, and they're going to go back to the Commission Day. You know we pulled the public. These are the topics that we need to consider. Yep they cut back say it's check times for snares. On the big. The big. Political one around here right now is power sneers. Ram Power Snares Senator Snare or something like that. There was there was an incident last year. Yes. Yeah there was there was an incident last year and you know the world is the world is coming to an end because. Nobody. Knew what a power sneered was. Thing, chappie either I suppose when you talk to them, they don't you know so like I can't believe those things wherever legal. I don't really know what's the difference there was. No the intent of the syncope and ten of the snare and the setup. There were legally allowed to use the state of Wyoming, is dispatched the animal to quit humane. Is. There's nothing more efficient at it than a good. Then a good. Power Snare. But Like I said it's. It's a topic. Oddly enough people like to go out in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming and. Have a little dog. Yes. When the dog gets off the leash and it wanders around, it acts like a like a dog does and well, there's Snares on 'em. He got sets out there designed to catch other type of dog. Yeah things happen right. Absolutely, in the city Wyoming's not a, it's not it's not a leash law state. It's So in the state of Wyoming. You are supposed to maintain the control you maintain control your dog that. Lead is how it's worded. It's not it's not a leash law state. So folks go I mean it's you know they like to hop in their car and drive thirty miles out in the country and go for a run know. There's a lot of country out here and There's People that are moving to Wyoming because it's a great place to live. Right it it is. It's Britain odd thing about it is in in this meeting the other night like I said I. Got To meet Tom Chrissy a couple of times and and he's really. He's a really sharp guy. He's very charismatic too by the way like. He's a really sharp guy. He goes he brought up something that I've never really. That I've never really heard before from this viewpoint. that. We collect pretty good voluntarily. Voluntary trap information from tappers about thirty, five percent of our trappers and state of Wyoming that report their catch. Reports are catches and their traps how many days they had sets out, and there's a survey that we have every year that's voluntary about thirty five. Thirty, five percent of our. Yeah. It's one of the highest voluntary. It's higher than any of our big game animals in the state of Wyoming by far. So with that data thirty, five percent of data sense quite a bit. In the statistical side of the world and Tom's like we can. We can sit down and we can tell you how many hours. How many hours of traps we have them say why only? And then we can compare those set hours to the number of. Incidents there are. And it's one of the lowest incidence rate incident rates have any hobby and sport. Any outdoor sport in the United States. and. So yes, incidents are alarming. Sometimes, sometimes, somebody makes a mistake. Sometimes. There's negligence involved as well but. Statistically when you look at it. It's Decimal points in the percentages can pretty crazy. How many how many days? How many traffic days? Per. Incident. Occur here compared to other states as well as the number is so low. That it's pretty alarming. A kind of blew mine and and. We don't have all of that data is we don't have all that data. The state has a lot of it. But we have access to some of it. We know. All of our bobcat data we have one hundred percent on every bob. Get. That's that's caught because of the Saudis tag. Just them. So we can compare that as well and it's it's really impressive as to how. How few incidents we actually have? When you look at it from rum. The logical side. Like the mathematical side of it is pretty. Pretty amazing and that's A. That's a really important. It's really important that you do that. To Kinda of. You can take the passion of both sides out of the conversation with fact. I suppose. Yeah. And Hope I'm not gonNA. Say hopefully good comes out of it because he usually doesn't come out of things like this but hopefully, no bad comes out. And you guys don't Don't lose a lot of what you have right now as trappers and that's that's been frustrating thing here where I live in trap in Maine is that we've lost over the past fifteen years we've lost. So much of our ability you know half the things that you've talked about already I, couldn't legally do in Maine on your trap line so that that's one of the things that always frustrating and gets gets people on edge when when folks start bringing things up because yes it's important to make sure that we avoid problems as trappers. But it's also. Important to be vigilant that we don't lose what we have because it's very easy being such a small group in such a small minority of the public. It's very easy to get boxed into to something that really doesn't work well for trapping. Right. Absolutely I. It's that's certainly the case. It kind of leads back to where. Where I was saying. Before where the nothing bad can come out of a more educated trapper. The more the more that you know. About those type of things, the more that you take into consideration those details constantly. The more the the better off you're going to be in that situation rather. If it's an altercation with somebody. You know you can. You can approach an altercation with somebody is uneducated and unprofessional as possible. For you can come in is professionals possible. As. You know somebody can freak out about suny setting traps in on public land and. I've had numerous people ask me five even though that you could travel up gland. Oh. Yeah. You know and sit down and talk about. You know I'd sit down and talk with them about Chapman and how you know where we're where we're setting and by reciting for this and what was doing. And usually, when you approach To a certain faction overpopulation. That's that's an educated response has a good outcome. And so as as we get. If we take. If we take our trappers have out there and at that base knowledge is a little bit better as a little bit more up to speed on what what today's topic today's issues are. Well, then we're just going to be better we know. You know if we know one of. One of the big one of the big sportsman's problems with Predator trap you know sportsman problems but one of issues that you can have the state of Wyoming is is State does spend a lot of money On pheasant hunt made they repopulate areas, pheasants, and stuff like that. Like right out my back door, they dump a couple of thousand pheasants every year right before residencies, and then we have a special season then in this little management habitat management area well. Don't go set coyotes. Fellows. Sometimes it isn't. Worth. Your opening day pheasant season. There's GonNa be forty guys out there with all. German around in the grass and they're GONNA be they're gonNA be running every square inch of that of that acreage out there. You know don't don't don't say coyotes set out there but you know and if you realize and acknowledged that problem and you talk if you guys are. There's there's other places to go save that trap, and for before season Nathen doesn't seem find another area for that two month pints being. and. Then you just set you set your trap line dividing tap lineup. Sales sit here from August for or groom October first. Remember I I'll set out there then I'll pull everything and I'll move out into the out into the wasteland. you know the the You know million acres of and that we have we'll move out there for a couple of months and then we'll come back. When you just limit that women at the possibility know with make of having incident yeah. Yeah. Just. With the Be where you're on the radar and the your actions are going to whether you like it or not gonNA affect how trappers are perceived by the general public. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah just. Being aware is a critical thing and and I even I, even lean out towards. Coyote hunters in general is I used to when was younger? I used to do a lot of on trial call and stuff before electric calls were cool. I had a johnny. Stewart tape. Polar. opposite. Awesome back in the day with. Tom. That that is the next group. Of folks that really need to pay attention. Attention to their sport. Yup, that's coming. Don't do it any I don't do it anymore but those guys mean they're another group of people that needs to get together they need to organize and they need to have a plan on how to how to maintain and save that sport because the public wants the public wants depression. You know they want help especially in this community right here they want. They want people out there taking care of coyotes, but the other faction of the public doesn't want. There's there's the whole negative side of that in calling competitions and and stuff like that. They're they're coming under the gun and they're they're going to be coming pretty hard for him. Yeah. Those traffic organizers, the Kyle calling contests in general have. has been kind of probably the second. Greatest Area of target targeted for the antes the last couple of. Years. Yeah and and so those guys out there. I know it's on and I know it's They're not school when you got your facebook groups and everything. But man when you post a picture. When you post those pictures and you post your ad and stuff like that just just be smart about it. Talk about the sport rock about the sport in the light of what you're doing and not not that you're out hunting because that's not really what they're doing and that's not who they are. But it's the way it comes across to some of those folks. And Don't give them the rope to hang with you know. It's It's I mean I think there's some areas they're coming really hard that. Order than most people are expecting I. I do believe. All right hope you guys enjoyed that acid down with Mike and I have one more. Part of that episode that we're probably GONNA air next week. So that was we we went on and on and on for a long time and talked about a wide variety of different topics. As per usual, it's when you get talking with other trappers it's hard to slow down but let's get into the cops brothers deal of the week. All right. If you're walking down there if you're on the trap line and you're GONNA dirt road and you see five dollar bill and again, you can pick it up rate. You'RE GONNA, stop pick that up. That's what costs brothers lures is offering you today five dollars four simply placing an order use the Promo Code J W five at checkout for any order of thirty dollars or more. You get five bucks off just like that. No strings attached just a sweet five dollar discount. 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Wyoming Trapper Mike, Part 2 Podcast Episode 149

"One year got. Trapped. I liked I liked. Work and I liked right where. It'd be able to spend more time in the woods I was losing money. Getting traps out there is the hardest part. I. Think. In the back of MONTROSS earthly. We're going to. No matter what Guide traffic. Partner. This is what you. Get to ask them guys. You know everything. This Arkansas. China learn something from pledging to ask questions without aspiration mall you. Gain. Magazine reflected from her they're going hurt into the whole. To. Fattening Radio Trafford Carcelle. Listened to the most developers system yet working ahead. To build the traffic. The good path. Told about these big hands, most of my to coming from. down. Probably the best part. Plane Predator Shush waiters. And even. Better. Back. In the first shed, this is. prepping today I'm Jeremiah with for tuning in we're brought to you by COTS. Brothers lured K. A.. B. R. O. S. DOT COM traps harder work harder in joy this assessment of. CUTTHROATS had traps, snares, stores, books, TV's everything you need to get going on the trap line going to CASPER DOT com. Also brought to you by on x maps, turn your phone into a fully functioning GPS trap locations, record tracks in travel routes, getting information parcel data. Few the latest aerial imagery, check out that awesome beaver lodge or that create travel way that predators following and go back and look at the landowner formation figure out who's landmass on and try to get some permissions get that all set up for trapping season. All right guys. Thank you for tuning in again and it's always. Great. Heavy each and every week. The first shed is looking a little bit better this week you're still in pretty rough shape but we get through put back on the house which was nice. I built this ramp. Also that was. Probably weighs like two thousand pounds. And it is so that I can load fifty. Head of cattle onto a semi truck, and so it's GonNa be four feet high and super rugged and and yeah. So that was quite a little project and working on some other stuff around the farm. But I was able to start thinking getting a little bit closer dugout to get working on trap and stuff actually ran into trapper Bill Billy Thompson today in town he was working us. Up up in town kind of doing a little bird hunting doing scouting and working on his links exclusion devices do some Martin Fisher trapping. So if you haven't heard the billion Charlie episodes that was I, don't know a couple of months back. You better go back and check those out get caught up because those were great talking with those guys. So had a chance to kind of. Get. An idea of what he's got going for his Martin Fisher boxes, everybody's Kinda got a little bit different design. So it trap trappers are always so creative and inventive. So he had some cool ideas that I was kind of looking at and checking out, but I've got mine to work on just. brought put together a little bit of lumber here that I get used to start building some boxes. I don't know if we'll get going on tomorrow or not, but I will sometime soon the beauty it's frustrating that the days are getting shorter because you get less done but the beauty of it is I get to come in here in the shed and and occurred a pod gas before nine o'clock. So that's kind of. A little bit of a break I guess but. Anyway. Tonight's episode we're going to talk with. Mike Miller from Wyoming part to the last part of our. Conversation with Mike. So we talk a little bit more trapping and get into some of the stuff that's going on there and Wyoming. And his new business when river trapping supply. So we'll get into that and then we'll stick around for the cards spurs deal the week also don't forget to check out the mustache. T shirt. Prized. Of the North American trapper at trapping today. Dot Com. Beautiful Artwork by Felipe from Virginia he's a listener to the podcast. Longtime Listener incredibly gifted artists and Felipe has a podcast called our numerous nature numerous I think that's num I n o us something like that I listen to one or two of the episodes I gotta get back. He just interviewed a trapper. So he he's into all kinds of different stuff. It's really kind of interesting you know. This the old crusty trapper from. From the boom days is kind of not as much of our audience anymore. That's you know of those guys are kind of phasing out and the new generation of trappers looks a little different sometimes and Philippe is he's an artist and he's an herbalist and he's got a cabin in the woods there Virginia I think he's from new. York. City. And he went to the hills mountains of Virginia get away from it all and he's doing all kinds of cool stuff there. He's got this this really neat podcast where he talks about list in plants and nature, and he talks with naturalists in an animal people just you know. Generally, folks just love the common theme is the outdoors and all these people don't have a clue what trapping is and maybe a lot of Iran's trappers but his part of what he's doing is trying to maybe give trappers a exposure to the a more natural side of things and give the herbalist in the naturalist and in that crowd and exposure to trapping and so. He he spoke with a ferber biologist. He spoke with He just did one with a trapper that I've got to listen to and and and then a variety of different other people's to check that out are numerous nature. You can get it pretty much anywhere. You get podcast and thanks Philippe and get the shirt must've shirt. We got small medium large of Ville Bull Trapping today DOT com, you can purchase that on the website and you can get long distance call trapping Moore. I've got more lure coming up I just. bottled a batch of sweetness. The nice shoulder season lure. That's more of a sweet. Scent actually the only lure that I really enjoy making. because. You don't stink when you back into the House the wife doesn't drive the wife crazy actually smells pretty good. It's a pleasure to work with but anyway and Walter Arnold Maine trapper check out that book on Amazon or semyon email if you wanna buy directly for me but. Anyway, let's get into the episode with Mike and talk. Wyoming trapping. So Your Business winner over trapping supplies just getting started. Have you been able to make some connections with the local trapping community there? Yeah I have I've got I've got some local I've mobile folks started picking up on buying stuff and a try to communicate quite a bit locally and help out Yeah. So we've got we've kind of narrowed down. Narrow down a lot of the traps. What would I really you know what I really figured out that's occurring Kinda quick fast in a hurry. Is that the number of the number of high entrap sales is not anywhere near thought it was gonNA. Be. I'm not somebody that runs a lot of expensive tracks. I'm the tinkerer. So and I don't mind I run I won Wolf. Creek. Dog Offsets. Their number twos and number threes or ninety dollars a dozen eighty, five, ninety dollars a dozen number twos and hundred dollars doesn't for number three's that's what I run because I'm cheap. And I, don't mind him at all I like them. For based off the old north, which traps. But you know. I'm I've been on trapper man for years, years and everybody on their talks about you know traps they run and be five fifty are awesome and I know you know you like to run some NBC's and The the extremes extreme juniors are really popular and and be six, fifty and. I have a hard time. I have a hard time stone from those right now because. There's a lot of guys. In this area that that. That are trapping that's living in the wintertime. They work for the Irrigation Company or They worked you know and long hair business or something like that trap full-time in the wintertime, and that's their job in. Two or three, hundred dollar a dozen traps don't fit into that budget when they're unsure about prices. So that kind of surprised me, I, I surely thought. You know I thought that that'd be. Selling. A bunch of those big size. You know. Big Name traps and. It's almost impossible. I've learned that it's almost impossible to make one snare. And smell so multiple people. Everybody has a different SPEC on the snare. Yet I want mine feet. Four and a half just. Obscure number and then some guys are. I mean there is. I think it's what I what I what I think's amazing about tapping community is everybody. Everybody does things absolutely different in to them? It's the only way. And it's this makeshift wait how they taught herself how to. How to get better outer efficient and and I know guys. Set snares they make. Their snares. Where the swivel is a half an inch away from the loop being exactly the right size. And like if you've ever watched, you talk the rich melon, a couple of times from. If you watch him do his link strap and you said some wing straps upper you just walk up in the Cam lock runs to the end. and. That's where it stops at and you don't even have to think about your loop size. Midge just walk up there and hook it up and walk away. But. These are guys. They might make seven hundred and fifty snares for this season. And that's that's a number. That's. My mind a little bit K. everybody. So I don't know. I make my own, my own snares and. I'M GONNA have. A series of them come out here pretty soon, but I don't know if I can. I don't know how the like. I don't know how to make. Without making seven, hundred, seven, hundred different models of it. I just haven't figured out what everybody's you figure out what's what sells the best and and try to? Settle on something. Yeah. And then. And you know in and everybody kind of has their own little way doing it and I don't I don't necessarily like to like to. Sell things the way that. Trap or the type of anchors that I use I, try to sell them all you know. because. It's the way that I do it doesn't mean that that's right way. Sometimes. My way pretty successful and sometimes it's not it's. Everybody's own situation as their own ways so and. The other thing that I learned is out here. Most everybody is used to doing everything themselves So. It's easier to just showing the material hung cable off near. Yeah. Exactly I know. And and as with with good wholesale contracts, you know, I can get I can get the materials and then just not have to worry about it. 'cause you know how to make your own snares. I'll just say the materials to do it or last seen how to make your own black skirt. Right. You know how to make your own wax shirt. Here's I can get I can buy flake waxing bolt and you can just come and buy a bag of it from me when you need it. Instead of Leeway Lean weight making laxer, which that's one of the first things. I did when I started the company was I started making a bunch of laxer because out here we got to have it. Well. There's not a lot of people. Not a lot of people jumping on board because by the time you get labor and all the work involved with expert, it's not. Super Cheap. Yeah you would you like fifty bucks for five Gallon Pail of it? I sell for a dollar town. Yup. And so. Y- somewhere around there. Yeah. A little bit less, and then if it's over over fifty over fifty pounds, then we'll them will be able to you know we would be able to work on work on a book deal. For that and I've got a pretty good setup to make it pretty efficiently. the Nice thing about here is so stinking dry especially this year. Soon can drive that. You know having access to drive. All you gotTa do is put it away. And then. You've got access to it year round. You know. So most of the guys that are sold a lot of wax told a lot of flake waxes here. But most of the guys I've told them hey, you know. January comes around and you're getting tickle call me. I'll have lax and have there. May Not have dry put up at all have some. Miss in recent admixture. Setup Yeah. Yeah. That's how I do it I. Don't I don't put the burden on the cement mixer like everybody else does I still do it in a roaster? Like twenty. Twenty Turkey Roaster Electric one and then as each batch. Is then I can mix it exactly the way that I want as each batch peers and pitch in the cement mixer when the cement mixer spoil are let it run for fifteen minutes. And then it's all cooled off and it's okay mic. What? You. Put it in the cement mixer when the wax is still at melting temperature. Yeah. Okay and then then you just dump it right out of the roaster in there, and then put a new batch in the roster and. If you and this is just the tip to everybody a week after Thanksgiving. Go. To Walmart. Invite yourself with twenty or twenty, two court roaster for nineteen dollars. Wow. Every year they go on sale at Walmart for nineteen dollars. If you go there right now the cheap wants fifty, nine, ninety nine and the expensive ones seventy, nine, ninety, nine. which you can get either one of them at Walmart for nineteen bucks. The week after. Thanksgiving. And it's it's very controlled. You can do it in your kitchen. You don't got to worry about. You don't gotta worry about Turkey Roaster doing it in the barn or anything like that and you can do. A twenty four. And I do two gallons dirt at a crack in it, and you could probably do three young the dirt. You gotTA stirred up a couple of times a little bit. It's not a big deal but two gallons of dirt at a time and it takes about five minutes five to ten minutes to get back heated up the wax. All melted stirred up you can do in A. In an afternoon. You can do a month's supply lacks tres. You have the dirt. Dried insisted already. Sets. There's more work on the front side people don't realize. That works after I I. Don't think. So yeah. The other the other thing. Is. If you WANNA be efficient about how to do it if you're just doing dirt. Are Dirt. Here's very, very fine. Like I've got a switch. I'm GONNA do the Big Pan cover experiment this year and go seven different ways. What right? And we can talk paint coverage here in a second 'cause. I got I got everything in the world that I'M GONNA run this year just to try it out 'cause. I've ran nylon. Screams rears. Since. I I don't either FM tea or Minnesota brand back way back in the day started. Cutting them and putting them in a bag. For. She they're not expensive at all. This. Just what I've gotten used to using a really liked him. Lot here I can pour my dirt on island screen and it goes right through. Yeah it's fine. Sure. So. I. I mixed I, get core scrabble in mixed in with it. And it really cuts down on the amount of wax you use. You Bet. That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. Dirt uses up so much wax US twice as much wax for that finder as you do for Sam, I believe that and then it. I think it all blends a little bit better if it's got a diverse color to it, if it got kind of a multi. Multi dirt style pattern that can get blends a little bit better. But it's It's so much easier on the lax when you're doing when you can. That's your expense. Build doing lobster is how much you're using you could do to one. You're mixing sand and they're doing our some guys running they're just getting. Going to the store and buying bags of place and Yeah and wax and that and just using that. Solely. Yep. It gets it can be like a loose. It can be hard to bed the trap sometimes that stuff but. Right and that's why I think that I think this combination. That I started running on my last batch. I think it's a lot better. It beds I can bet it really tight. that helps out a lot. The No. Skin covered deal. This has been driving me crazy. Yeah. You're not the only one. No until I tell you what I've got. I've got some. That I'm around this year. I've got some pipe insulation that I'm going to run this year. My good friend Jeremy He's he's hard core into the two inch pipe insulation. The yellow. Fiberglass inflation. Then I've got. Latex paint covers. A trapper Jay on on Youtube by watch. Watch a lot of youtube videos in trapper Jay's she's pretty Dang entertaining. So I've got some of the latex paint covers as he was running up, got some under all. That I'M GONNA try. Those. And then I think I'm going to order. When I set my next set traps up I'm GONNA put Either Mike Kelly's pans on them I'm. GonNa put expanded pans on them. And I'm just GONNA. Go. Sans. I'm just GONNA go without paying cover all together. That's kind of what I liked. The direction I I may be headed towards I'm not sure yet, but I really liked. I tr-. I had Mike Spans last year on. So my traps and I, really liked him with Poly Phil underneath them. and. I'm I'm kind of thinking I wanna go that direction. It makes life a lot easier. I know that. Yeah I I'm trying to get I'm trying to get away from. Timbaland on around like. You know trying to get trying to get my system everybody everybody comes up with system I've. You know when you watch these DVD's you watch mark June and you watch. You know any anybody they all sit there bed, their traps, their own way, and they do it their own way and I. On my tracks I don't have that one system set up that works out here. So this year on, I'm literally GONNA run six traps this way six traps this way six trips this way and see what works for me what's what's officiant for me setting the trap, and then what's catching animals to you know Just to because I don't know. I just haven't haven't really got. Haven't really got that method that works for me where I can do it with my eyes closed and I can roll in and roll out 'cause you know the the the less time here at that set the better. If you're doing if if you're doing it in in a minute. Or. I'm there for four minutes you messing around can't get the trap bedded right I. Mean I even went to I was power Beden Passive Sixty Penny nails last. Year. I couldn't get it set up and I didn't have waxed or knows the sand was so fine and so loose and some of the areas where it's just sugar San. Struggling with desma trap, I started power bedroom that works that actually was. A saving grace for me for a while last year while I struggled until the ground frozen solid. Yeah. That makes for that way. Then the trap doesn't come out. Yeah. But So then fail you know then then this great idea that you had fails right front of you. Yeah I. Try To. I bought a bunch of traps with spikes in them. You know if the guy that was a big believer in that. And I actually took them all off. I never even tried them. I imagine it works well, but boy it those traps are awfully hard to store and handle and deal with. The the way that I power bedroom spikes aren't the spice don't vote through the traps. You. You you've taken menu put them Kitty Corner across the frame and just the head of the male going down against the in bed track. Okay. Can you gotTa have? Like I have a small handle. It's a small wooden dow that I'll put on the end of it hit with much Athens Hammer. Because it's you you gotTa do it with trap set, of course, and I don't know how many times you set the trap off while you're trying to get it. It's It's irritating I. I learned that that way watching Clinton locklear traffic cats down in Texas on on an old one of the One of his one of his youtube videos and it's it's it's a pretty old one. But there. There was a gentleman it wasn't wasn't Clinton doing it. There was a guy that was running long springs down there and he was he was power bed knowledge traps and I could see how in the in the south where you're not worried about freezing it all in that loosen how power beds just phenomenal. Work really well, but this year, the the trap, the you soon as the trap flies off, the nails don't go through the frame or nothing like that. You don't gotTa worry about flying the number nothing. They're always in trap bed. It's just as soon as the ground froze at nails not moving. And half the time, the traps not coming out of the traffic you the the travel go off. It's just. Mailed in the track bed and it's Not. A function myself. Yeah. So soy just one of those just another failure but if It works it. Works, but it hasn't the place right? It's not. It's not a system. When you I mean When you watch the guys that are good like. Bill Brown used to videos. Doesn't post a lot of videos anymore used to post videos, trapper man and stuff like that, and I've watched him do like remakes for Fox catches piece maybe away from his pickup for thirty seconds. And he's walking away from a set trap. It's going to have an animal in two days and he's not worried about it. One Bit Mike. And then you you look you look at his success you're well. It's gotta be part of it. You know it has to be. 'cause. You're. Not. It's it's. Pretty. Amazing. So. Go ahead. I've just talking back betting traps I found in this area. If. I dig the trap bed. Properly I don't have any issues betting traps. If I don't dig the trap bed properly it's a nightmare trying to trap you might as well just give up. Yeah sure. Yeah and If you as soon as you get used to the size of your trap. After you do fifty of them. You can walk up with about like I use. It's it's a it's an old style phone company Lineman's hammer that use for for for trap and hand. So it's kind of a claw hammer and it's kind of a one and a half pound. Sledge. It's but it digs pretty good. About three swings, the Hammer, I can have a truck that dugout for the size of my trap. Just. If you set number twos forever in the same exact trap, it's you just do it and it. Gets to be methodical. Can you can see what you're up dig deep. have it not set and level and you can sit there and fight and fight and fight it. For for a while. Yup and I think that's where for some folks cookie cutters come in. Yeah, you don't hear much about him anymore though I know a few people use them but not very many. Yeah, and in some in some soil types I can see where that would be really good like where I was trapping Ohio I would I would I would probably have a up like that because it's a the heavy against guns clay based soil you know or we're topsoil that's it's pretty thick that you can get out here wouldn't do a bit of good. You know it's just Saying you know. Like zander's pipe dreams that it would work great up back east or in like in farm country but where I trapped, we're you trap. I don't even know if it's possible. Yeah. So the That's that's really interesting that you say that that talked to about three different guys. So Mark Stagger was out here at days. John Graham runs coyotes out in Los Blaming and he was out. Zeiger. was out there. I made it. I was out there for a little bit I had had I had an old friend of mine in in town for the weekend and and he's he's my best friend in the whole world. I don't have a whole lot of them. So he was in town for the weekend. So we didn't go out to Cairo and spend a bunch of time like we wanted we were originally going to. But I missed marks presentation, which is too bad. 'cause marks are just a super entertaining guy he sure is but There's. There's a bunch of guys that lost that and they. And I've talked to a few of them and. You know innovation trappers is so neat 'cause everybody will. See something and they'll adapt. To where? Though the pipe dreams that a true pipedreams set, there's probably you could go in town and somebody's manicured yard and set one But that's just that's the only place. You'd ever get a real true one they have to have Saad because that's what I would I've found is you just you have to have Saad? Right but you can modify that set a million different ways. We don't really have to worry about the law out here. Where out east, you know that's Where I was capping in Ohio there you'd go out, check your traps and you've got you've got puddles that you're trapped did. Well. That's Dandy. That's going to do me no good. You know. And I used to run I ran. Like A. I. Don't know an elementary version I was out in Ohio trap and that's when mark. I come out with that set. And was getting popular and and I didn't watch the videos or nothing. I read an article on chapter man about it and I was going to become the greatest. Out trapped in the world. So I went out and started setting and I was actually able to get a trap vetted properly and stuff that that's what I was learning at that time but it didn't do a bunch of catching with it because I didn't understand the principle. It just the whole principle of it went by his bed in the trap. But There's a lot of guys. There there are a lot of guys that run a version of the pipe dreams that out here. It's just. Edgy alfalfa field edge grainfields, and stuff like that and those are those lines of how to run an anyways and you can. You can right up to that Alfalfa early season and you can run that set right there. Now, the way your bed taps going to be different. It just doesn't work. Yeah. So just a little refresher for folks who aren't familiar with the pipe dreams that. The, you know the pipe part of it is actually to me the minor part of the pipe dream said it is using. A PVC con section of PVC conduit as disservice kind of your dirt hole, your lure holder But really to me, the big part of that trap is the way that he beds the trap. and. He's trapping in. New York in the East in you're dealing with lots of rain and ice and snow and everything else and his trick is the way he beds. The traffic is in a sod. soil. Is the basically the the trap is kind of floating above the ground you dig a deep trap bed and the trap is kind of squeezed in between the sod where the jaws are kind of held tight. So so the trap is weatherproof essentially there's there's no dirt covering. It's it's a gas lawn clippings covering the trap covering the Pan Cover and. All the rain, all the water, just kind of runs through that trap and it's sitting there floating, and so it's it's probably the most weatherproof ch- set that anyone's come up with thus far that the trouble that I see with it is. Like places where I trap in the woods here, there is no sawed seeing. You can dig a perfect trap bed in there's just no root. System or anything or any grass in these places that's can actually hold that trap there. Yeah and and that's That's what the struggle that's what the struggle is with with that that out here. So a lot of that you know a lot of those eddie principles that are the bay that are the basis for mark system don't necessarily work out here. But The using the pipe using the pipe is is a great avenue. For, as a great avenue for Bait and lure. it. kind of gets it up off the ground a little bit but so mix it somewhat inconspicuous a new can. I'm if you watch some it like I remember I in these sets looks like. You know. Kyle. The piece of PVC in the middle of. Hay Meadow. Like it's not gonNa work well, that doesn't move different now it doesn't know the difference it's uneasiness insecurity. Of It is that trap bed is. When it moves you know if you if you're walking across this, you're walking across your yard and there's a soft spot in your yard GonNa. Put All your weight on your foot. You'RE GONNA, lift your foot as a human being in walk around it. You know. For sure. So. So there's there's a lot of you know there's there's a lot of. There's a lot of folks that that have really jumped on the. I don't WanNa say bandwagon because it's a functional system from times when you say van Wyk people. To believe that it's it's not good or whatever they mark Roe mark mark's got a great system yet he's not as a lot of game. He's not trying to sell anything. I mean. It's just a really good. Everybody was see give it to everybody for Free David He created. Right, we're not ran. It took a bunch of pictures of it and put it on trapper man and two days. Later, there were young folks like me out I'm going to be a great trapper in the world. because. I learn news thing and it never works for me because I didn't I didn't know the basis of being a good coach offer. Was signed knowing the animal where's the animal going to be? And and said on sign, don't try to draw. Now I was like God I want to come in right here. On. The coyotes almost trip over the day thing So you've got winner over trapping spies, your son traps snares. Wax Ter- else yet. So I've got I've got a I've got a few wholesale contracts I've got I've got a wholesale contract with Wolf Creek products like we've talked and I've got a wholesale contract with Minnesota brand. With a Minnesota trap line products. So I'm in one of the great things about about them as a wholesaler is they basically sell everything minus duke traps, we won't get into that. Are. Really Remote. Do chaps deals going on Minnesota's we've got. On this on this podcast before. Much time to get into it. No I'm and I I'm not wondering necessarily care but One of one of my biggest things is the folks that I the folks that I've. Started dealing with are some of the greatest people I mean it it kind of surprised me when when I sent an email asking a couple of questions after I gotTa after I got on my birthday with Minnesota trap points I get an email back from Nancy cadence. You know and I'm kind of a weird person like in the traffic world. That's like that's really cool. But On that person to person basis, it's it's just that tight of a community in and. The customer service to it to a wholesaler is the same as the customer service that they get somebody out on the you know somebody. By off of their website and it's pretty amazing how how well you're treated and. How you know how away everybody goes. Yeah So I sell the other thing that the other thing that I'm really working on getting into my own market is on my own products state. because I like to try muskrats. I like to trap beaver. So I'm trying to make that. Somewhat of a fruitful venture. So I'm getting into the the the bay state market and I make some I make some bait right now. And I'm I kinda do mine a little bit different than a lot of other folks just to. Just to fit in my own spot and. So. My my rat bait is super simple. It's not complex at all. It doesn't have seventeen different ingredients in it. You have got three. Might you have to have a secret ingredients and lots of ingredients in order for it to work? There has been some magic and some Hocus pocus involved and some in summer in some of those, some of those are some of the best Dang stuff out there like one of it's one of the Bates I'm looking out on my shelf right now Taiwa, off the value, the cabins bait The valley's gotTa Lotta. And it? It's a lot of things. It's probably I believe at one time it was the number one on the united. States probably still is. I don't know if he sells a ton of it up there. great date bunch of ingredients I've used it forever I love it. Right. The reason that I make my bait is. For years I've I've always just use my muscats, quarter them up and used them in dirt holes and and had pretty good success now, and it starts freezing. You've got a Muskrat based. Bait. A beaver baystate and you're looking at potentially getting a Bob. Cat. Meat. Yeah I've got I've got everything set up to do I've just gotta get the quantity of the base. You know the the Greens I'm like I said I'm I'm particularly not gonNa be trapped in a bunch of Bob Cat. This year if I happen to get into some of be inadvertently. That they're in area that I'm running how caps share not seeking them out. So if I can get some sourced locally efficiently than I can do that then I'll have those three days. I recently signed a a recently got a deal done with. Justin Moorhead at West branch lures and and Justin. Runs a small smaller. Company out, of Ponti City Nebraska and He's got. He's got really he's got a really good. Line and You know Kinda does he does a lot in this community in the trap community there, and so that's really one of one of the big reasons why I wanted to. Weigh I kinda seek justice now to to get a deal with some loor. Where did you find out about him? facebook okay. Yeah facebook is facebook is something that I'm pretty? I'm I'm trying to get heavier and heavier into it. There's a big, there's a, there's a big trapping community and facebook once you get involved in it, once you get into a group and then you start Lincoln Lincoln a few route groups together pretty soon, you find out that there's thousands and thousands of trappers out there in the united. States. Have all these separate facebook small groups that they're in and they're pretty group tight that got. No regulations on who gets let in and stuff like that just to try to keep the anti-community out but communications getting really good in those groups. and it's pretty it's pretty pool. So that's kind of that's the platform that I've chosen. I suppose you could say to promote the company. Kind of promote advocacy about traffic and everything is facebook and that's that's where I found. that's where I found him a few weeks ago they were running a use trapping. Trapping. Get together convention or what they want to call it over in friend Nebraska. And they had a bunch of instruction there and it's specifically your straight towards kids fifty kids how to trap and they were. There was you know there was giveaways for Bayton lured traps and stuff like that and I didn't realize. I wasn't able to get involved because I found out about it really late and I didn't get the information as to what was going on there but it was really. It was really good to see. Times like today. Hard to find a convention to go to let alone finding something geared towards your torch kids and and put together. Really well. So I've seen that he was involved in that and then I started talking team. And I was talking with him about working on a deal and. Just it just so happens that I have a friend out in. Western Nebraska that I've known for years and years and. He's a heck of a coyote trapper and hunter and I was talking tweeting me talking to him about lure and. Just out of the blue he goes you know I've started I switched company when I started using this other guy stuff. And it's he goes it's just work. It just works great for me. You know he he really makes a good product and it's Feisty stuff like that and I'm like, oh. Yeah. WHO's that like? Company out of Nebraska here called West Branch lewer so I thought was pretty Ironic that. For that, you know they come about that way but So, we're GONNA have. Gear in here in a few days, we're GonNa have kind of just whole line here ready to sell. And that that looks pretty promising you know. Yeah Awesome. So you're you're you're not getting ready to go. Yeah, and the problem is. For the business wise. We're gearing up and if I walk over here, step into the other room in my first year, all of my traps note crave shelf and haven't done anything with them here. I still got grasp on the job they still got an covers and some of them and. So there's there's some sleepless nights had to get to get stuffed on the down. Yeah. No, we're. We're doing. We're doing pretty well and I got. You know another thing I I was the last meeting that we read I was talking to Tom, krause, and Tom Tom makes a TOM MAKES A. Martin and Martin, and beaver lure, and he makes a couple of he makes a couple of different lures but I'm actually going to work out I'm going to get a deal on selling some stuff as well here. And Yeah. So the the facebook deal though. I'll take probably like two minutes to go into something. A friend of mine I put out a few videos on facebook. I'm not very photogenic not very good at it, and we don't do takes or nothing we just do. It's live we post them on facebook and. A friend of mine but I've been talking about being an advocate about trapping and Kinda. Setting our page up a little bit different than what some others doing, not just doing instructional videos and not just trying to sell stuff. Trying to. Educate get people involved stuff and. And so When a friend that I socialize with quite a bit on facebook and I've met him a few times here in Wyoming goes. A, you need to check out. You listen to clock locklear's podcasts and. I wish. I. Said I listen to them all because I like clint lock, but just to his his mode of conveyance for podcasts does he worked for me very well You gotta get him off of his you gotta listen to him his website and that's It doesn't necessarily work for me listen to a mall all. I WANNA say episode three, Ninety, nine talks about culture. Like trap and culture. And it's it's really interesting if anybody wants to. Kinda listen here. What what? What we're trying to do here that that episode they're kind of puts it in a nutshell. And what he's talking about is in like trapping isn't just greer's trappings it's been about instructional videos. And how to's and this and that there's so much else that you're missing. There's the community that you miss. There's the. The the friendship that you missed the instruction, the ingenuity you know that doesn't really get shown very well so. That's that's the one that we're working on quite a bit and. Back to mild. To my mantra of handshake used to be able to go to the local sporting hobby store and talk about this talk about that. Now, nobody why doesn't anybody talk about trapping? They talk about deer hunting. You know I don't you talk about trapping. How many? That community just seems kind of been closeted often your by themselves and they seem to buy everything online and learn everything on a youtube video and don't really socialize too much about it and. And So I'm I'm Kinda Kinda picked the platform facebook. And I'm getting pretty involved in it and I've I've I've just found a plethora of of great groups. Of People that that. That are really open. The really open about talking about trapping. You just gotTa get involved. You know you just gotTa get out there and it's a great way to communicate. Yeah that I, just searched. On facebook and I found you whenever trapping splice. You can watch my only produced entirely and zero editing videos. Died Note. That you know. It is amazing how how ridiculously complicating the most simple things are if you don't know. Just. Lighting. More light. I thought the more light the better. So I had rice on everywhere in my shop every light I owned auto shop. And then it was just horrible shadows you know. and. Then I've got horrible Savimbi sound is just horrible. So then I've got A. Re trying a bunch of different setups and and We'll go back to the. I'm cheap I'm also very cheap. So let's remember that. got. Shirts on those concerts already. Know. Absolutely, I've got shirt of got shirts and and we've kind of our swag lineups going to get a little bit going to get a little bit more entailed but just learning how to do the videos. And learning how to make a video and then. We moved to inside the house. 'cause it's a little bit more control. And then the table glares horribly in the. Camera. Moves when you hit the table and it's just it's crazy about all these goofy problems that you have that you don't realize you know you just. Like anything. You have at the same bench switching tool that I have. That's nice. See. All Yeah. Hey, you still go get yourself. Go Get yourself one anybody that doesn't have one. Just go get one. You can sit there and you can fight with the hands wager forever and ever, and you can create contraptions and put pieces of pipe on your bench just go by. This My Lord I think it's so nice. It's such a simple. It's so Zach. It's so. And I've seen guys use an builds for years. And that that might work great for them. It doesn't work good for me just. Haven't haven't good tools makes a world of difference. It's not one hundred dollars hundred, twenty, hundred, thirty dollars maybe now. There's yeah. There's another company out there. I bought this one because you know because I'm wholesalers I gotta deal I little bit better price on it not not a bunch. So. Don't let anybody. At the wholesale businesses, we don't make the Jones off. There's Another there's another company out there. If you search around, it's not like it's not you don't get it through harbor freight, but it's a company like northern pool or something my sending one. And and I want to say that it's eighty nine dollars. You can find it online for eighty nine dollars and it does just as good as this one here does I know somebody that has one compare the two side by side I don't think they're too much different. But yeah, you know. Just, there's there's a few tools that you need to have. It's going to be in the scenario making business or if you're gonNA, make your anchors and that's one of them you just you just gotta own one. Yeah. It'll pay it sounded almost immediately for sure. Yeah. So. One other thing that I wanted to talk about as you head a lot of feedback for me on on the next match and using on Exxon. On your traveling I just thought it'd be great to hear from you more about. How that's been useful for you. Yes yeah. I I I kind of on mass. It's. FACEBOOK is a platform out here when I moved to Wyoming. There are a bunch of people using a bunch of different apps because cell phones are so freaking. Awesome. And they're using base math and they're using all these different for for for these guided Hans going up there hunting antelope. Hunting in a different district and you don't know the area and and start watching Randy Newberg and those guys talked about how they use on it and I'm like you know what this is before you were in. This for you were. Strongly advocating on X.. Advertise Allah gas or anything. Yeah I. started tinkering around with it, and then is every time I open it up. Just kind of come up with like I think you said this every time I use it I just come up with a new idea away that it works. So a couple of things that I do I was I was out gathering firewood. For gathering firewood knows talking to pop into the guy on the property there that gave you permission to get firewood and he kinda he seemed my trapping shirt music. trapper. Yeah. And I wasn't even. What I'm always looking for land haunt. Hunt and trap don't get me wrong but I wasn't really thinking about talking to him. I didn't know how much land you've really owned. He goes. He goes man I'd love to have you come in here chap this fall out a lot of goat's and running a lot of. a lot around here and couch just they just come right off of the handicapped right under. Every single night. On my full that's Awesome Well let me. Let. Me Get my phone out here real quick, and let me get your information I had onyx map pulled up in my phone for something else and I just quick on his property. And it said, you know way point whatever you put some information in there. So. You know I wrote Coyote permission and whatnot. And then I started thinking about it and it's like you can add a picture to your way point. Mike will well heck I know I can take a picture with my phone and turn any document in back and took a picture of a document turned it into a pdf and email I use it for work all the time. I can just take a picture of a print. Send it off to a contractor for work purposes you know and I can send a pdf not as an image. So I can, I can go out talk to somebody about getting land permission. Get. Take that permission for him. Take a picture of it hatchet to the waypoint. Attached to their. Property. And if I'm out in the field, if I get asked any questions in the field about property line discrepancies as you I mean, you know you've been out here there's everything is not a. It's an imaginary line and a lot of places I can go. Well, this is where I'm standing and this is the person's property that I am here's the permission from the halfway you know. And and and everything's, and that's legitimate is to be upfront and legitimate. So there's no questions asked there's no. Kind of you know like I. said the more educated. More educated. You come to the conversation the better off you. Are That works awesome. I'm GonNa talk to some of the local. Some local folks here and they're like, well, you know the law states that you have to have that document with you. Don't GonNa. Be Physical paper or can be on your right. Right, the big thing is, is that you have that information that you have access to it, and there's no better way to prove that you have access to the Matt. Another thing that. That I that I discovered that you can do. One of my chaplains last year was really popular. it was it was just a as a dog proof line that I had running, but it was really popular. It was dern pheasants seasons but I was running dog Preussen didn't have any issues at all and I was just hit some coon on the side it got reported to the you know probably got called into the game wouldn't twenty times really. Every time I had an animal, you know every time I caught an animal in it. Every time I caught an animal and it. You know the game warden called me and asked me about it or whatever. So. I felt that it was really important. To be able to always prove. When I sat my jobs. Yeah. So when I was out on my line I always no matter what. To take one or two pictures. So they were date stamped. So I. can say, well, here's a picture from that set yesterday. There's one from the day before. One from the day before. We've got a seventy two hour check here but a lot of my as my cream sets and rats and stuff like that. I check them daily. Sixer by the winner by the House here. So just to just to limit that got a record proving that basically you did things, right Right. Yeah. Yeah. Just just just because I knew that that line was popular and I knew that the public property at the time that I was travelling was. was. This in the. Dog and the snare issue that happened earlier in the conversation we were talking about that had happened as well. So I wanted to make sure that I had all the information on any questions ever got ass. So I was document map with pictures and stuff, and we'll what is. It's so simple to do next as you can turn your track feature on. Renier trap line. And Save it, and it says when you were there. You. That's proof in when you're in it. And there's nothing more legitimate than that. It's hard to make out. You Yeah. You I mean you mean you'd have to be a coder at on it does. It's it's just that simple I. Mean I can. I. If I were to put all my chaps as they all my senses. Thanks which I don't I don't put every single one, I have keep he features. And then I set in between on a trail or whatever. But if I were to put set on there, you could just be like well, look I walked by every one of them yesterday with me seven minutes to get from that one to that one. You know that's that's really legitimate and. It also provides you. You know that that provide you a good record yourself so you can always keep track. Sometimes. It seems Kinda. Ridiculous to somebody. If To try to explain our scenario laws are check periods, snare laws, Macedo Wyoming's. At first it's really complex. You gotta check your snares once. In a week time SPAN YEP if. Not It seems on parts, but it's actually a better way. In my hand. Every Soviet calendar days it's way clear when as an Actual enforcement issues. Right but it's very easy to actually keep track of that yourself with that. Not Not just had it ready for a game warden or somebody wanted to question you about it. But just to be like man I gotta I gotTa Get out there tomorrow no fans but's it's to be done tomorrow. Yeah. So I could maintain maintain my line So that's that's something that's something that I just kind of picked up because you were talking about the tracking feature. On. On Your, podcast when you were talking to an I can't. He's pretty cool some on it. Yet was jared. Yeah, yeah when you were talking with him I was. I was like, yeah. I'm. GonNa go out I'm gonNA give that shot. That's pretty cool and then, and then there's you know a few ideas that have come up with it. That's one of them. and. Then the third one is. hiking shaken like you guys said I take my trap line that I have saved and on its mass and and if I'm traveling with a traveling partner, we can share we can share that information. So I can say, Hey, I went out and ran the North Line and I put twenty more sets on it and I got him posted in Onyx. So when you go out to check them tomorrow, you can see them for yourself. You know the waypoints yeah. Perfect. Right. Here's here's the wasteland. That's that's great. That's straight will. On another side of that There's Times. I'm going out by myself it's twenty, the low and I'm on foot. Checking traps. In certain areas you know I'm out. Walking walking in the river when it's when it's that cold in the wintertime. And and and it doesn't take very long to be extremely rural extremely middle of nowhere out here. Where your cell phone doesn't work. Everything doesn't work, but I can I can send my trap line to my wife. She's my chapel partner so she's going to have it anyways but the she knows where she knows where my sets are at she knows where my lines at she knows where I'm going. So if I don't. Get Home at eleven o'clock I'm supposed to. She knows where to start. Yeah. and at twenty or thirty below or like the crazy stuff that you're in up in the last forty and fifty below. Knowing where to start my? Own, things aging yeah. And might be your only chance right and so the the safety side of its safety side of just anything. That's a big point to me with the family 'cause we're. With the family involved in everything it's kind of that much more important to teach the kids and stuff that way. But That's pretty cool. You can send that out and then that's I. Mean it's It's accurate and it's so easy to go out and find it. It's it's pretty cool. And then I learned last week. When you were talking about adding the waypoint your location. Yeah, right. That was that was the topic of confusion for some people was for me at first I have been I've been struggling with that a few different kind and that kind of filled in that kind of filled in another another game. That I had Another gas that I had, and so there's a couple of. There's a couple of negatives I don't WanNa say as negatives there's just a couple of downfalls I'll say to use them. To use it on solely and? Maybe downfalls not even the word. Information. So much information is right at your hand. But it's not up to date to the day. Let's put it that way so. It's it's great for the property owners I use it for work all the time. for finding property owners and deciding property lines and stuff like that I use it constantly but that information's not like onyx isn't going into every county. Demographic and download Gif data once a week there's no way no I think. That's not pol I mean in some some of those western states like Montana was pretty good that stays updated pretty good but. At least where I'm at, there's no way could do that. Yeah, and you can't you. SORTA could here if you drove down. So the courthouse and like shift somebody's hand you know. You. Know we're. We're we're all digital here know everything in the county's digital and it's pretty accurate but that information doesn't get updated up to date like you know the the point where I live doesn't have. It's not limited me as the owner and I've lived here for almost to you. Yeah and the funny thing is like like where I live, that's not an issue because the people land ownership almost never changes up here. or not but. It's a real poor area. There's no everybody's moving out. Nobody's moving in except with corona there's a few people trying to escape the cities that are coming up here but. It's not on but out there cool. Are Flocking to Montana Wyoming Idaho. landed. On. Just tell them. It's horrible. It smells bad and the weather's despicable and you can't stand it. Now that you've made it there. Yeah now that I'm here. No there's nobody else. Yeah no, it's so. So that's that's one. That's one thing that That's one problem that I've had the other problem. There's so much. There's so much of our area here in and out of service. In and out of Cell Service and and you may you may think you're going to have cell phone service. You don't get your maps downloaded up front of area that you're planning on covering critical God's hands and just in maybe maybe cut if you if you say you you pick three five mile hike or you know five mile distance maps for an area that you're gonNA cover kinda download the surrounding ones as well. because. You're going to veer off you're GonNa, do you know and and when you get out there and you're trying to use it in your? Your into another map area and you can't function you can't do anything you just feel. So like you once you get used to the once you get used to using it as a marketing system in a mapping system. So reliant on it yet. That So. Those are kind of really two things don't don't rely on that use that information for for the value that it is. On property owners and stuff like that, use it as a source to start it. It may not be one hundred percent accurate and then And then download more maps and what you think you're going to need. Yep. That's that's. Your giraffe is again, no matter what happens you're gonNA go outside of those maps you download. Yeah and and just you know anybody's question it just use it. You get you get full service on it free for seven days. And like I said I'm I'm kind of in the engineering field of sorts. We won't give away what I do too much. But I'm in the engineering field of sorts and and I have. It blow your mind how often I use it on a daily basis. For work. Yeah it's. It's pretty. It's pretty critical for me at work with right away newsman's and stuff like that It's it's crazy how useful it is but You know I, it's IT'S A it's a it's a great product. It's really useful. It's it's really the first one that I found. That was useful I think the first trapping out that I remember ever seeing moist I wanna say is trapping maybe. Might have been the very first trapping. Did you try it was Nah? I tried it year and this was years ago. On. A WINDOWS PHONE That it was. It was really really poor but. I wasn't it was. It was just too. It was too cumbersome for me at the time and didn't really have a need for it. I thought it would be a neat recording tool for all the information but it just I. Didn't I'm not a person that takes infinite. Knows them every set what what I'm using what what lure embiid I'm using? CH- sounds like a great idea I just never end following through with it. But Re I haven't tried it recently I just I got I kinda got on the onyx kick in in Kinda heads kind of don't I'm not going anywhere else really skate for me. I. Think. You can do everything you need to do with that APP on the trap line. The only the only problem that I know that I'm going to have is struggle with a struggle with my phone working when it's cold. I LASCA. Yeah I. Think all of them you know I just. Everybody, says back in my day, we walked up hill both ways and my flip phone always worked in the coal Blah whenever But. Trying to keep trying to keep your phone, you know trying to keep your phone warm if you need it for critical situation or something and battery usage gets to be crazy when it's really cold out and stuff like that. We'll see how it's GonNa work in the wintertime. And I don't know how much gonNA use it day to day when I'm in the field on the line. But I think in the background archie go out to my I can set up my computer and mark locations where I went out set sets and know that that's where. It's the point of to two tracks meeting or whatever you know, and I can step those waypoints. Later, my phone's not working just to keep track of it. Keep that phone coast, the body that helps. Yeah Yeah I've I've all of maybe I'll make a little sister. Pollster for it anything else you want to cover. You know no, I don't. I. Don't think. So just Yeah just kind of keep just still I still love the podcast they're still trying to its credit listen to often it podcast keep me occupied when I'm driving my. Windshield, time here so It up and I really do which what you're doing for. Sure. Appreciate you having me on again? Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on I appreciate it, and it's great to hear what you've got going on there and Wyoming and new trapping spy business and trying to promote trapping there and and getting into it. So it's great to hear and We'll. We'll keep in touch as things move along. A High Jeremiah I'll talk to you later. All right. Thanks Mike Daycare. Yep But Okay, it is time for the Casper's deal of the week this week. We have. A special offer for five bucks who doesn't want five bucks. You go to, CASPER DOT COM place an order any order of thirty dollars or more. You get five dollars off for using the code J W five you put my initials with the number five after him He get five bucks. So if you've got that special little order that you've got that, maybe you've got a few things you need to get and you're not really sure if it's worth place in order while you get a chance to get five dollars off cup, probably cut the shipping almost in half and I get a little discount. Their earn a little bonus points from the cost Bros. bonus point system. win guys five bucks off J W five. This offer expires octobber second. So get on it take care business and go to Casper Dot com support them. Thank you for listening in. Thanks COTS BROSE ON X. Four supporting the PODCAST and We'll catch you in the next episode. Get a lot to talk about I had an interview editor interview recently with a local guy that I've been trying to nail down for quite a while. So it was great to sit down and finally get a get a microphone pin on amused dodging me for a little bit there. But he's a really good coach Trapper appear and guy has. A lot to share. So I'm excited to share that with you and more stuff to talk about as things get going and trap is he's man things just are getting crazy. We've got so many things that that we will be able to get into and as always email me jared would at dot com with any questions suggestions, thoughts whatever love to hear from you take care until next time. Keep on talking trapping keep on thinking trapping. Get out there and get ready. It's common season is almost here. Dig Is.

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Monster 25th Anniversary Edition with Mike Mills and Michael Stipe

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Monster 25th Anniversary Edition with Mike Mills and Michael Stipe

"From chronic to collapse slapped townend into now respectively. This is are you talking are Imrie me. The comprehensive and encyclopedic oriented is as good rock and roll Music welcome back. Adam is doing para details on the air drums. Welcome back to the show. We have not done an episode in a bit of time but we are back now. Welcome to the I would say the one of the major REM centric podcasts in North America. Certainly if not the United States it's just sorry. Can I jump in here first. Yeah by the way this is my co host Adam. Scott my name's Scott Common and You know you know. Oh him from television. Yeah and usually movies. You know me for movies because I just directed one law Blah Blah fine. My I just have a question. Khanate turn the Dow down by Europeans. Don't mind if I'm fiddling with that and start fiddling with that how's that this better this a better level for you you have to turn it to the right in order to turn it up you turn it to the left in order to turn it down so down we'll be on the left you hold. You can remember that bye bye go back to the beginning on that one. Okay you have to turn it up to the right right upright. So that's that's like when I wake up in the morning I sit upright. You're sitting upright all right down to the left so down left so when you go to sleep you go down left you want me to go to sleep right now yes all right you brought your bedroll with you. What what does he make when he goes to sleep? Shush Shush Judge Sanders. Shut up or you just think shush. Oh my God I think Adam has night terrors. Sorry did I fall fall asleep. So Yeah Yeah. Do you not remember the last thing that we talked about right before you fell asleep. You said should I fall asleep and I said yes no. I don't remember that you don't remember that I do remember you saying should but that was so anytime anyone says the word should you're out like a light dying out. You said the word should by the way it got. Did I fall asleep. You did fall asleep Ya. I'm going to try not to say that word. Please don't Hopefully we'll see while I'm driving. Don't call me just say that word So we have not done an sorry. My question was are we in the American southwest South West. I believe the guest reaches the American southwest but are we physically in the American southwest. Oh that's a good question You you call up our lifeline and let me Let me Call up my lifeline. Serey hold on are we in the American southwest West found okay. Here's what she found. The American southwest. Are we running dry. Why that's a youtube video? Let's check it out all right here. We go F- let's check it out. Are we running dry. I'M GONNA TAP to commute that. Would you say all right here we go. This is VEGAS PBS what. What a wonderful voice to start a video with a great start? Yeah okay anytime something fades up on credits to take five seconds. You know this video is going to be long just judging from the music this is going to be. He's are serious subject. These are white titled Timing on a black background by the way they're fading eating in and out so I don't have time for this. Are we running dry. Can you just make a video. That's three seconds as yes or no Sir No. Are we running. Aw God well I loved it the video yes. I'm going to make that call. I thought it was great. Call your children. Let them know that they need to reserve all tonight to watch the video. I've got our night planned out for us. I know you're thirteen and eleven. This is perfect for you by. What's a good night out like like? What do you like to eat in your household if you were to order? If you were to order from from anywhere a great question you know what that's four people in two dogs more people to dogs so dog food you all dog food. We Love Dot food whole foods. I don't know if you've you've been there before it's a grocery store. Whole Foods? Sells donuts bagels all holes and so for dogs they make special dog bagels. They're delicious Hog Bagels tweet og bagel legal. They call them talk bagels because the guy his name was todd and he loved dogs. Was it simply tog like Madonna or share. That's right talk talk. Yeah it was actually his initials. Oh it was an acronym for his initial well so what was his actual name. Thomas Oberhof gration. I'm his Co. Soft Gracia Great Guy. What an interesting guy? It's he's he's sounds great just from his name he's dead. Oh how did he die. He suffocated indicated erotic fixation. Yeah having sex with he wasn't auto it was is just erotic as fixation. That's right. Wow that's the way to go the auto erotic fixation just means you're by yourself. Yeah I believe so. This was like automatic for the people means Ottawa fixation for the people on. No this was. This was his dying wish to get this line of dog. biggles out there so he had not just a dream of his. Wow and he told the the other that was in the room that he was engaged other. Well I don't want it's not my business who he was engaging and okay but like fuck buddy. Well I wouldn't even want to. I'm not going to go there. Oh okay if like like I put that in quotes yeah I heard the quotes. Yeah so while he was the dog he was having sex with a dog. He was trying to while suffocating himself and he told the dog wanted to to make some dog. Babel's baby table their dog Babel's yet. I think he's suffocating. That he pronounced it Babel's instead of bagels so he has like a belt around his neck having sex with the dog trying to trying to do and tells the book I want align of dog biggles called Tog bagels and I wanted them so whole foods. Joe Elliott He. The expires unexpectedly and the dog puts it into action. Somehow dog made it happen is his word. What a story? Yeah Wow todd. Whole story is on each story talk? Maples pictures that's right. It's told entirely pictures wordless cartoons right. Wow what an amazing star I call it. The whole they do. I gotta go to whole foods. Check this out. Get some talk. Babel's that's what my family eat. Okay welcome back back to the show. This is a podcast devoted to the music of rem exclusively. We do not talk about anything. Hang out nothing else but the music of rem coming up a little later on the show. I mean let me just tell you what this show is devoted to. This is an episode devoted to the twenty fifth anniversary of Rei himes career seminole album And I don't even want to say the title of it all just play some of it. That's right it's that album with the frightening Orange Halloween inspired cover and the title that I don't say a a needless to say this episode. I wanted to get it out in time for Halloween. All hallows eve. We had that conversation station. Like should we get the episode out for only and I we. I had to end the conversation because you were so we were too frightened. It was like a you. Were you were frightened. Brave thank you. I appreciate you saying out of like the two of us. We have a partnership because we have different strengths different weaknesses. You're you're the brave one. You're the handsome one. You're the successful one. And I'm the worst scaredy cat scaredy cat and I'm the one who had a podcast studio. Adam we're we're GONNA be talking about The the re issue the monster twenty five. I believe leave. They call it a five actually six six disc set ask one is a DVD gone DVD's in standard definition or is it a blu-ray didn't even look Is it a blue are. We're GONNA be talking about this frightening frightening album and everything everything. That's that's involved. We also are going to be playing clips from our conversation with two of the members aw rem themselves yeah. Mike Miller Whom we have spoken to on the show before yet and a person we have not spoken to on on the show before Michael Stipend the the the Mike's themselves the M.'s? We there in a hurry. They're busy the international rockstars. Sure how busy they are not really doing anything well. They were busy when we were on the date on the day that we met them. They said they were busy. They were juggling lots of work family. Everyone duties right to Scott's to Mike's a like what's happening in this room right now. That's that's we're going to be playing clips from our conversation a little later on the show so stick around we will be talking about. Rem exclusively on this show on a lot of fun. We'll tell you everything thing that happened when we went to a different town not in the American southwest in order to meet up with those guys and talk about monster twenty-five I five but before we get to that Adam. It's we're definitely in the thicket of award season right now. What are you doing during our you take vacation? What do you do for award season? Yeah I know but I went and saw the Irishman. We were just talking about that. Did you read Martin. Scorsese's score sess. Did you read his comments about marvel movies. I could not agree more a Soviet initial comments but I did not read the follower editorial. I love love. This conversation just keeps going and going and going and going and going and going I love it. Let's keep talking about this subject where I think this. This is an episode episode. Oh for sure definitely of I love films. Hey everyone welcome and I love films. This is Scott and we are talking of course for another episode. We never deviate from the topic. We are talking talking about films films films. Sell you Lloyd. Hold up hold up not movie now. Flick's Oh don't even say the word flicks to me unless you're talking about Netflix. In which case. They did release the Irishman. But I don't know I you know what what they saw it. Where did you see it on? No Sir No fucking way I W I saw it in a movie theater. That's on celluloid years. It isn't that ironic that you see film in a movie theater. I know and you know what it bugs me. They should change the names to film theaters. Film Theatre Air Tori Auditorium or a a building film a build a build film build film beef defense you have to shorten it or because we have such busy lives b. m. if you want sure call it a. b. m. call it taking a shit. I have three words for you. Add them take a shit a three other words okay said Nah Ma you put those together what do you have. I don't know I've never tried all right. We'll do that too tough. We'll do it after the show but let me tell you Martin thanks. Thanks for your words about marvel movies very important we got we got his take on these. Will you summarize for me and tell me what it was in the follow up editorial oh that was because Martin sees Scans Kasese one score. Scerzusky is one of the great filming. What other grades? Let's listen out on a limb. Let's listen scores. caskey Kepala Toronto in Toronto Tarantini. Yeah Yeah you mentioned Kepala Kapoor Got Kepala who else. I'm trying to think of. Who's ever film newer editions? That are certainly certainly building up a tasty resume Kreis Christ now. Leanne Christ Nowlin Rice. Thanks Chris Cranston is that I I believe that's all all wonderful white men yes S.. Great wonder why. Hold their white men making wonderful Phil we need more and more of those. I wondered dirt. I want you know what back when I was growing up. You have the wonderful films of skirts. guskey raging Boll taxi driver. Oh you know no who else is out there. The joker himself. What a film? Yeah what a film Todd Phillip so todd. Phillip Phillips finally made a film. Yeah he'd made movie is a film. This is a film. That camera was shaking around. I haven't seen it but I can tell that can tell it was shaky I would add to that. He's not an older white gentleman. Then I wouldn't put him on the list okay. Taxi driver meets King of comedy meets a smile smile. What do you got the joker himself? Did you see the joker. Oh yeah masterpiece. Okay masterpiece that that main character was was so tortured. You know what I'm GonNa might be coining a phrase you making some news I'm going to call him an anti hero and I've got it's an intriguing meaning. They antithesis of a hero. Yes and put him at the center of a movie. I've never even thought of that happened. Never thought of that. That is an incredible idea for a film. I I always wondered when I was growing up. You have these movies. Taxi driver raging bull. Wonderful skirts guskey movies. And then I would look at iron man I would say. I wonder what's Caskey thinks of iron. Man Yeah will I ever find out. It took decades now now I know what he thinks of iron man old shell head so you call. That's what is now me. Tell me what he said in the In the editorial I don't know I didn't read it all right. That's I love films you next time. Bye but I will say that. The Irishman is terrific. Yeah what is it. Like a sequel to Pete's Dragon. Yes wait I in Ireland right. That's right yeah what else. This is probably our final final episode before the end where we made an episode I don't even know when was it. Was it. The engineer ended in last year. Oh Yeah it was role. Let's talk about it. Yeah Pop music we. We went to see Ezra our former guest friend of the show. We went to go see him at the Hollywood bowl is an impressive show a really great show and I got to say we were about five days out from the show and I was hoping we would go. And we hadn't talked about it and we reached out to Ezra or you reach out to as I don't have his email and he hooked us up with tickets and I was like boy. This is so last minute. We're getting probably in the back or something like that. Primo fremaux Boxer Primo L.. CDO right next to Rashida herself Higham was there they Jumped on stage show. How about that version of sunflower live? They call it stone flower. Because it's like a expanded have been minute. Yeah what a great. It was amazing I was with my. I don't know how else to say this my partner. Okay I was with my partner and She her she has always been sort of like fine with vampire weekend sure but she came out of it going. Oh my God. What an amazing show? He's guys are heavyweights. Yeah these guys are like Ben Stiller and Judd appetito heavyweights. It says what you meant by that. Yeah I was really impressed and also at Hollywood bowl show filled with young impeach. You know the vampire weekend audience. And he's playing pupil younger than Asu. Right it's not like I felt ancient there but I was certainly like ooh. I'm ten years younger than us. which is not young people necessarily ten years younger? Is that what I said earlier. Ten years younger okay. I know that they're popular with much younger younger than that. Yeah Oh sure. Yeah but they were he's pushing the boundaries of what you know vampire weekend is known for and there veering into jam jam. We talked about it on the last episode that he was on he and and to see it put into practice was was pretty impressive. Pretty impressive we we. Unfortunately we do not make it there in time for the opening band. Because they played super early they played they played it like eleven. AM total bummer. And I wanted to get a t shirt you know what we can get them online. Oh a T shirt nowadays. You get t-shirts online right. You can buy them on the Internet. Why didn't we you try that with you too because we don't WANNA pay for? I don't think they sell them. They don't sell you to t shirts. Plus we don't WanNa pay for them. Oh we deserve that. Should you know how much money have we put into the coffers of Bano in company tallied okay. First Record I ever bought from them unforgettable fire I believe I paid six ninety nine four. Put that through the holes I record I bought from them. Joshua Tree How much work was a tape? Cassette tape Joshua tree back in one thousand nine hundred seven probably going to go with seven seven ninety nine okay seven ninety nine. Put that into my tally okay. Are they separate tallies separate. Oh Shit hold them. Take all that to make sense Yeah the I can join them and then I had separate whole them apart. Yeah okay okay. So then let's see I don't think I ever bought anything else from them rattling. You didn't buy RETREA. I didn't buy any of those finally in late finally at the Madison Square Garden. Show that we went to about a year ago. I bought a coke that was four ninety nine at least okay so I have spent six ninety nine plus four ninety nine eleven ninety eight. We got someone to run those numbers. Four Ninety six ninety four. I think it's like a thousand dollars. We've spent like a thousand dollars on you too. Oh sorry I went to see rattling home in the movie theater. Oh you did yeah. How much was the ticket? Tickets were at the dollar theater or at the forty first avenue playhouse in Santa Cruz so at that time a matinee or was it a no is nighttime was how do you know opening night Friday Friday night. How'd you know it was nighttime? Because I remember that it was dark outside. Oh the Oh meaning this gone down well. Let's see here. There wasn't this. The Sun obscured in northern in California. It's maybe son was behind a tree in the fall. It doesn't get dark in northern California. It doesn't know Alaska. Yeah so Samna another great film. Oh yeah put that in. I paid for a ticket to that so that it goes into the Christopher Nolan. Yeah Tally Mu. And he's I'm sure met bio or the edge so we have that meeting be like it would be. Do you think he met him. Did he meet you to star in one like Dunkirk or something. Yeah I think I think you're right. I think he wanted the four four guys from Youtube to to be the stars of dunkirk. I mean Harry styles is one of them. Harry styles is probably the second choice. That's that's because we're supposed to any Larry so look. We spent way too much money on Youtube. We don't want to buy a t-shirt journal and these guys are fucking teach you keep fucking taunting us. I'm sorry this episode of you talking Youtube to me. I think it is from boy to boot roots. GETTING THEM ON THAT IS THIS IS UTAH. Can you do to me. The comprehensive and encyclopedic compendium of all all things YouTube. This is good rock and roll music. Hey this show oh boy to breaking away. Oh well it's probably something even different. Because their do. Their last record was to have a B. Y.. Two the American soul batboy. Ah Ha ha it's funny. It's pretty good. I think it's boy to blackout. I wonder was or boy. Do the book of Your Heart. Because that's the last one on the record record. Let's your book of Your Heart Book of your heart. But that's like it's an track from boy to bonus tracks. Rex is a pretty good one to talk about this on Utah. Can you do to me. Hey you do. We're on you dug in your due to me right now. So let's talk about. What is this song and this in two? I don't remember this but this into what What'd you say what you wanted me wanted you what would you I? Of course remember this. What are you saying you WANNA go? Okay we're emitted into a three minutes. Three four minutes of sounds like something maybe like it. We don't belong to this work. Yeah so far not not no chorus but what it must've been blackout van boy to blackout must've been blackout. Let's hear of course though I think we are right now. This is the chorus. Can't be in the shed. He said the title. I bet it is the chorus all right. Let's put that so many great songs on this album. I love this this record. I gotTa say I listened to it but you to what do you do when you put out something new you guys have disappeared. Yeah listen what is up with those guys up of those guys. They never call us anymore. It's been a year since they cared. Yeah it's been oh you know. What their a touring Japan? It was the next time by spouted. Add really that was breathing a lot of ground that I mean. It went from from from Boyd so In any case yeah we have not done it episode since Vampire weekend. So they're six months ago. That was that was a while while ago but that was that was really fun. I want to say that we got a letter. Oh No you know what we did. An episode from cluster fest. That was our last episode. You're right because that that is Germane to what is that I just received June is busting out all over all over the meadows. And the we we. We get letters gazing Irishman. We get letters occasionally and this comes to us from our good friends at a dead letter office office who we talked about on the the last episode. You know you know what I appreciate about. I appreciate you know Diet Irishman into many times get some get some bread dip it in the source. They all Italians in that movie except for one guy who happens to be An Irishman Spoil. Anything I did okay. They wrote a letter they wrote a real letter wrote a real letter in coming up in the microphone. There's no sound like that there. It is old phone. You'll get from fireplace your I. I will say it wasn't like they went out and bought some good stationary or anything lined paper that has the serrated edges edge on the left hand like they tore it out of a you know a notebook roughly torn roughly and they. Didn't you know like how when you cut off the crusts on toast do that. If you tear out a piece of paper this is messy this edge right here. It's gross anyway. They rose a nice letter thanking us for the For what we talked about on the last episode and then sent us a lot out of Nice. Ram Bootleg CDs cool So thanks to those guys. They are If you have a chance to go see them. Out there a touring Please do they are the world's premier are hurrying cover bands. Yeah I would say so Always always good time seeing dead letter office. I have not seen them. Well you have. I mean I saw them play a couple of songs with us but I haven't seen a full show but that was. They were great they were great. I just don't know personally. I don't know whether they play as many songs as they played with us. Like four and then they kinda run as team and they're like tired. Yeah Yeah I mean there panting. And they're like they told. They told US backstage. The four songs they played with us was like three three more than they usually play. They were tired. They all fell asleep. Backstage did but Mike Mills or Mike Miller Just last week when we were doing the thing he talked about. How great dead letter offices? Yes we they buy yes so They were And we'll talk about this when we talk about our experience with them but We mentioned that we just did this. And Mike Miller talk head played with them once before and talked about how great they are so so Shit that's what I just said. Just want to reiterate it. Okay anything else before we go to a break here. Think so bro. That's it I think I'm ready to break it up and get back in stick. Let's stick knife up our buys when we come back we are going to be talking about the new reissue of. I don't even want to say. Don't say it it's too frightening. I can't say it but we will be talking argue about it when we come back this is are you talking. Rem Ri. We'll be right back Announcing Intersect Festival presented by Amazon Web services where music art and technology converge. I have always wanted those things to converge. Usually music in our do occasionally technology like someone plug their guitar into an amp but all three amazing taking place December sixth and seventh at the Las Vegas Festival grounds right on the Vegas Strip born out of the massive after party for their re invent conference. That's a lot like Actually it should be Rai- invent conference because our I show should be called are you talking. Rem Ramey anyway. They call it. 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Admission tickets to Intersex by going to intersect fest Dot Com and using Promo Code. Ram Am at checkout. That's intersect fest. Dot Com Promo Code. Rem to save some cash and be part of this incredible experience. He adds a welcome back. Are you talking. Rem remain back. Happy Song to come back in. Well I wanted to come back on this because since our last episode rem released this. This is the version of fascinating which we had talked about on a previous episode. That they on. Why do they put this out? It was For Hurricane Relief for hurricane relief I I bought it and the hurricane stopped. Yeah is it's like magic. Because they made a big deal about it never having been released at least before but it was on that. Yeah I think it was on the the the the Promo was okay. Well this this version has never been released before. Sounded the same to me but I know well clean your fucking ears. I guess you're at welcome back to the show we are talking about the twentieth anniversary of. Rem's a proto grunge is known Proto grunge because it was came out after Grunge uh-huh post grunge mid grunge. Oh yeah mid grunge that should be a genre of music grunge what would be in their Nirvana's Vina's third album because never mind. was maybe the kickoff of grunge in utero would be in your mid grunge versus. Yeah Yeah I mean we got a alison chain second. Maybe yeah so this this is definitely amid grunge somewhat say on the tail end of grunge. Oh what about pre scar. God Pre third wave sky right before What's that right before real big fish? Yeah right before it all off the really hit kit but this do you think this sounds like grunge. Yeah a lot of people would call it a sort of an answer to grunge. Yeah but not grunge itself. That's why I said mid grunge I see yeah well well put ninety four that was right in the thick of it. No it was but this doesn't sound like Pearl Jam or whatever it was mid grunge all right. That's genre of music that came out back in eighty. Ah Three and ninety four. When do you think grunge ended officially ninety five? I would say I I think that's like Except make like creed kept making music. I wouldn't call them grunge but they were just. Hey by the way. Speaking of GRUNGE D- I went out to silver chair chair. Were they grunge. They're like prime grunge and Grungy Primo grunge speaking of grunge. I WANNA give a shout out to the people at sub pop who took a tour of their offices the other day in Seattle When I was there with the Comedy Bang Bang tour? It was engineer Brett. Who is not on the boards today but came up and did the tour with us? He is signed to sub pop so we went to it. Was Lauren laptops. And were you there. Kevin Kevin Shaking his head. That's right he was not there who else this was like the offices. They've had since the heyday. They had moved once. Yeah but they have a lot of memorabilia up there like Kurt Kobean Memorabilia and a Lotta pictures and a lot of really cool stuff and it was fascinating to a lot of Peter bag bag art everywhere. It was fascinating to go there. Thanks for the invite who was very cool and we're here talking about out I don't I don't I do have to say this. New reissue of the record. They've changed the scary orange changed. Blue is it more or less scary. It's a little more soothing. I have to say it's a little more calming that that Orange Cover when I look at it. Yeah it is so frightening they okay. Let's talk about it. They just put it out. Came out last week. Yeah it's in our hot little hands right now. Listen you're highlands. Yeah when I say our I mean sort of collectively. Yeah they sent at this to US early. Yeah we got a we got this express mail to us. Yeah so that's fun. Yeah but I don't have a CD player so it was. It's like what am I gonNa do with this. Well you did watch the BLU ray didn't you. I've seen road movie but didn't you say you watch part of it not on the a blue helmet gun I've seen it many. Who cares all right? Let's talk about the content of what's on this first. CD is as the original album. Buddy master sounds really good. What is the difference between like when they remastered? Yeah first of all okay. Here's my opinion the of remastered albums. Yeah get it right the fucking first time. Why why do they have to remastered? This is ridiculous especially since this was made in one thousand nine hundred five when the technology was there ninety four. Well sure the tour was ninety. Five is that Y Y mixing twenty-fifth anniversary we're in nineteen We're in one thousand nine hundred twenty four th anniversary so twenty-fifth they call the scary one twenty five so the technology was there to get it right. Just just get it right. The first I'm tired of re buying albums remastered. What is the difference? Now what are they T. And here's what my opinion. What they do on remastered all they do is they they turn the volume up? Yeah they like boost the base a little bit. Maybe if they get a toothbrush poodle tooth tooth powder on they're getting their powder scrubber you an alien in old movies. They put powder on their toothbrush. How old are these movies like? I don't know three or four years old but look I don't I don't get the whole remastered thing but it does sound better than how does this sound better. Have you listened to the old one the new one side by side We will be doing that by the way a little later for the Because let's talk about. Let's go back to the content disc two is demos. Yep and these are all demos not of the actual songs came out on monster. Oh guys you're you're I have to take over Absolutely Scott these are all demos of songs that did not end up on the record. Yeah which is which is weird that those are the demos the I think it's a little more classic. Rem Sounding which is interesting. It's like the stuff system before coming up with the monster stuff disc three is a remix of the album Produced by Scotland or remixed by Scott. Well I don't even did. He not even I think I think he he supervisor's supervisor look at his I I was reading that and he was like produced by Scotland. remixed by someone so in any case what he wanted to do was he If you read the liner notes I'll summarize it He back in ninety four when this record came out he was. He says he was having a hard in time figuring out how to properly mix a record that had fewer instruments on it then automatic for the people so automatic for the people at a lot the strings and a lot of stuff going on. This is a more back to basics guitar album. And he was having trouble figuring out how to mix this together other and he's never been happy with the mix and so when this started coming around he was like. Hey remakes this yeah. He felt like the vocals were mixed way. Too Low amongst other Decisions so he. He did the entire album he did a completely new remix. Using different vocal takes sometimes taking instruments entirely out It's it's really fascinating. We'll be talking about that a little bit later. Then we have a live A two discs are live from Chicago on the excuse me in June of ninety five and then we have the BLU ray which has a five point. One surround. Sounds high-rise audio. The road movie concert film Few music videos as well all the music videos again amount from the Arab now we are going to be mainly talking about the. What's of interest to us is the REMIX albom? Is that right Philip time a little bit because I have to bend over to plug this the I think the overall okay going where he goes the overall what well the thing. That's kind of the constant on the remixed album. Is that the vocals Sir Les Clearer. Now when you when you listen to the album back in the day you had trouble figuring out what the lyrics were did you not. Yeah but that it was An Rem a staple of particularly the eighties stuff. Also the lyrics are printed for the first time in the actual booklet. Here now. Yeah and they are a lot of them are very different than what the fans have surmised the lyrics are that are out there on the Internet so That's interesting to see the corrected lyrics. Hold on I'm getting a message from our good friend Kevin over here What is that? It's just one word. Says Carl Carl. Why would he send me that? What does he explain yourself? Does he tell you about his favorite restaurant. That's Karl said. Oh Carl was this up. Oh Yeah Carl Tart. Okay thank you. We came during the sub pop discussion. Apparently and Carl Hart was along for the ride. Oh believe me. He was along for that ride. Yeah we walked over there actually. So let's talk about the the the remix record. Yeah what were your first impressions. First of all the the first song that was released publicly was what's the frequency Kenneth. Yeah and that was the first and we talked about it when it was released released probably a month before the record came out. Yeah on the show know you and I you and I were would check in occasionally. I don't like to Brag that I have a direct line to Adam Autumn here. Yeah we text sometimes is like texting. Yeah I call it the hotline the hotline the rem are you Talkin Rem Romy hotline. Yeah this directly to you know when I when I text back goes directly to you. Exactly no intermediaries. No assistance evolved loved. No people know this seems Shearer stripped-down unadulterated communication unification between the two of us. That's right I'm I'm we only use it for. Rem Related Topics for other topics. We have we have a different phone. Line for each topic. That's right and these are the hardliners by the way all hard lines that we've somehow rigged for texting. I have a full desks just of phones. Yep just just for all the different subjects and there and I haven't i. My label maker is broken so I have like labeled each of the phones by topic and so it's just a mess. Sometimes when and one of them you know I'll I'll be getting a call from you. That about you know for me to Babysit for you and I'll be like which. Which one is this? I won't know we only have one ringer for all of them. So yeah don't know which I'm picking up going up. No dial tone hello. Finally I hit on the babysitting one. I'm like and and by that time you've already booked somewhere else. No already back from our date. The yeah what's the frequency. Kenneth came out. It's essentially the here a little bit of what's the frequency kind of okay. So the The the interesting thing they've done on their website is they have a tool where you can play. The songs longs and you can toggle back and forth from the original and the remix. So let's hear a little bit of the original. And then here's here's the remix back to the original remix train ain't so base turned up a little bit. Vogel's goals are clearer. Here's the original remix. The Guitar is echo ear in the original. One interesting thing is they get rid of the Jenkin ticketing thinking thinking thinking. Yeah the TREMOLO which I think is the signature sound of that single is not certainly part of the The Hook I don't mind it being gone. Just because it's funded here it in a different way I are we going to do. Are we going to do which we like better. Let's do that for each track. Okay Yeah Okay so for. What's the frequency Kenneth original or remix? Adam I like the original I because of that Tremolo being gone I gotta go with the original. Yeah if that Tremolo is still in I would love the way you you probably liked the remix better. Yeah but instead he took out the thing that sort of makes its it. I remember when that that single came out in the video and everything like Oh that sounds cool. Yeah and unfortunately unfortunately it's not there anymore but but other than that a great Yeah Okay here we go. So let's go to track to this is crush with eyeliner Jenner. We will go to the original and then we'll go back and forth here we go. This is the original remix. Aw Brass originals. remix aren't originally layered. Some Vogel's their needs for UNIX. All right what do you think I gotta the remix on this one. I like to remix better me too. Yeah at first. I didn't because it just sounds demo e but what what kind of is with a few of these songs long doesn't sound like they remixed them as cleanly as some of the others but it sounds like they're playing live together. Yeah and the. I like the layered vocals and and with this and Bang and blame him in particular. There's this more to discover in the songs in the original like you said it's just drum bass Qatar mix really well and really guitars super loud. Yes really there's just more texture to it. Yeah I have to say this toggle back and forth tool it it really. I was surprised when I listen to it. Because I feel like the original album is so it really highlights how muddy the original mixes which works in some of the songs I will say on this toggle thing. The original sounds worse than if you like really listen just really version of it but I I agree with you this. There's just more texture and it's it just sounds like the one thing I've always felt about the scary one. Is that all the different parts. They feel a little separated a little studio e And some of these remixes sound more like a live band and you like Klivans I do. I don't dance. No scary grateful dead. ooh ooh ooh students we both prefer the REMIX. We both prefer the remix and we both on. What's the frequency? Quincy we prefer the original so we we are in total agreement. But it's one to one at this all right. We're going to go to King of comedy speaking. Of course Caskey. Oh yeah and I feel like I listen to the song and I go. Is he talking about me. You talk about the King of comedy. Let's listen we'll start with the original and and will go toggle back and forth to the King of comedy is original Remix the original remix. I came original now. Okay I gotta say I think the original takes it. Yeah something about the drum sound more powerful on the original. It sounds more. I know it's it's this song is a little bit of its time. We're the drum sound very like garbage. I just I mean the band garbage which means it sounds amazing. I'll specify if I ever say anything sounds like garbage and I'll say not the band like the ref the refuse. We're you a fan of garbage. The band garbage. Yeah I mean I. They're not one of my favorites of all time. But I but I the the drum based on the pet sounds like it sounds very much like garbage to me. It just sounds better on the original. What do you think? I've never been a big fan of the song in the first place but I like the remix because again it sounds more like a band playing live to me rather than a studio creation. That was sort of outside their comfort zone and not right. Never felt like this was a great fit. I agree that this is my least favorite song on the record. I hear that it's so promise. A third song. Yeah didn't they tell us us. They tried to play it live. Okay they said that in the interview we did. They tried to play alive once. This sounds like garbage. The refuse so they struck it from the I will say in the clip that they provided. Here it's hard to tell the vast difference between. Yeah it makes the original but it is quite different We have to say that we are only able to hear thirty second clips because we could not figure out how to log into took it down. Maybe they took down or something like that But it's it's I think you I think people can still find it online somewhere. Oh Yeah are you okay. Great I'll let's go. I don't sleep. I dream this is the original remix the the original remix the original next Eh. I mean for me. This is a clear winner of the remix to yeah it sounds because in the liner notes they talk about how they demo playing live in a big room This sounds like it was recorded. Live mixed really well but it sounds great. Sounds really good good. Yeah he's never huge into this song either. Really I like this one this. This is maybe one of my favorites on the record. I like this one and I think I think just being able to hear the vocals more. Yeah sounds great. Sounds really good all right so so far. We have I have to to to I like to on the original too on the remakes. And right now you you are three and one one you like three of the remixes more and what if we see Kenneth is. The one is on her dowd. God I'm right I'm choosing all right. Let's go to star sixty nine that is neck and we turn turn it up a little bit. Yeah Yeah I did when you mind Adam mimed the to me. He's you're really good at my. You basically like put your your opposable thumb and your forefinger in your fucking finger together and you turn to it to the Upright Upright and you did that and I was like I think he's miming a control knob. Yeah whereas you have a laptop in front of YOU I. I should've been going like this. He's right now he's saying he is index finger finger and he's just thrusting downwards. All right. I'm going to turn it up. Just I even more all right here. We go now. This is star sixty nine. This is the original the remix got original. We next the Dow. Is this fun for anyone to listen to music with me screaming unreasonable. I look if you're a band I would love to do this on your record anytime you wanted to remix album just for this purpose let us just let us know we'll scream original and remix okay star sixty nine. How do you feel I like the remix? I like the remix to. Yeah Yeah. It's so great and also another one where the lyrics I finally kind of figuring out with the song is about which is crazy. It's about like yeah. We talked about this. Oh no this. This is not the one that we talked about. We talked about Circus envy on the interview. Okay let's go to strange currencies which in our previous episode about the scary one is. We talked about. It is my favorite song on the record. So it'll be interesting to hear my opinion. This is going to be interesting. We'll hear my opinion on the other side of this. And guess what I'm going to scream original and remix original around here here's what one signal little brands. Four myself chats myself make myself original. The remix will be original back to the Kleenex. I gotta give it to the REMIX. Really Yeah Oh interesting. Okay I like the original. The remix sounds a little more like something from automatic for the people. So I I like the sound of that record better better I I like the sound of the remix. I just wish he used the vocal take from Rio original. Yeah because you're more used to that one I would say yeah but also it feels like nick. He really figured it all out for the for the album version and this remix the vocal take is beautifully sung raw. It's a little Rar Dr. When he goes into the FALSETTO parts? Some of the phrasing is a little off. I am not as used to the original as you think so I just I I think I think the remix communicates the idea of the song. I think you're right though a lot of these remixes sound like a lot more alike the rem. We knew in knowing love before right these kind of mixing it more visually interesting to hear version of this with the remix with the original vocal. Take can anyone do this for us. I don't live Scotland on this show. Yeah and make him remix do a second remix while we hold a gun to say they say we're going to shoot you execution-style unless you do this and we scream remix and original but I think the original is perfect act. So it's great for me. I this this remix was a bit of a revelation to me. where I it took a really good song and sort of tweaked it a little more tomato gain? Yeah so so far. I like to of originals. You like two of the originals. Yes but different one. We're at four and to both the both of us for the REMIX. Let's go to side to this is. This is the original This is the Remix Original Remix Original remix Smith is man. You hear the little old tambourine a little better on. The remix took took tambourine coming. Tambourine coming down the train tracks. Everybody wouldn't that be great if anytime on on a record they started playing tambourine. They had to do that. Sound like legally there is bobby. Mentor of the timbering was like look. I'll let you play this thing on your record that you have to hire me to come to the studio and save me parine coming tambourine. Come down attracts people. How many bands hands would say look? It's worth it yeah. Rem would rem definitely. We know that for a fact. How do you feel about tongue? I think I like the Remix I like the Remix to it again. It sounds more more full frisks man alive. Yeah I like it. You can hear that Tambo. I also have to say the other one is an album. I've been listening to for twenty five years essentially so hearing these new fresh versions. I'm a little biased. Towards those maybe maybe maybe just. Because you're like wow this is cool. Yeah but again there's more texture and more discover and some of these in in the episode where we talked about the record before my a main complaint with the record. Was it sound. It was a little like a sonic assault in a way where he was Samy. Yeah we're by the end of it. I was just like God. I'm tired of listening to the sound. This has a little more variation. Yeah let's go to so right. Now we're five and two five into for the REMIX. Let's go to bang when young and blame. Just throw these original this originally. Here's the REMIX No no no no no you. Here's the original. Here's the remix original. Uh tough now I like the Remix I like the remix to yeah. It's it's it's it's pretty. They're both pretty similar. I gotta say I don't know as what are the differences a seasoned Ram again. This sounds like they're playing at live. Sounds like it's happening together. There's more texture there's more there's the guitars still sound crunchy. Yeah good the. The TREMOLO is pullback It's not as as as in it's not at the front of the vocals are are more prominent the and and then in the as the song breaks down at the end before the final chorus. It's like there's bongos in there. WHO's Acoustic Guitar? I just always felt with the in the original it was again. It felt a little separate. The pieces felt. This was never your favorite song. I've sort would've rediscovered it with this. remix sounds good. Yeah so we're at this point. We're at six two. Yeah wow this remix is all right. Let's go to. I took your name. This is original the original the remix originals. Uh Hum is it tough one for me. This is a tough one for me I got. I think I'm going for the original. Yeah I feel like the vocal effect he put put on almost like the megaphone affair. I duNno I duNno doesn't have that now tables are mixed really low. I thought the whole point of this was to make it. Although maybe maybe in Scotland esteemed wisdom. He thought the vocal should be obscured appeared on the song prominent. Yeah more prominent but still obscured I. I like the original V two. Yeah Okay Wow so we're at six three. I love that Song Too Six three it reminds me of what cool up did not say to me when when we got married I will not take your name. Okay this is let me in and this is. This was the second song they released publicly. That's that's right. We'll talk about it after we hear it here this is Libyan original. Here's the Knicks. Me House got fee and I can't sale the birds nine down and laugh at me. Clumsy Colin out domestic terrorism remax. This is a clear clear. Winner winner remix. Yes by By a mile by a mile and a half by a a kilometer by a country kilometer country country in We got on the hotline when this was released and you said this could have been a hit. I I I think so I. It sounds like a hit from nine hundred ninety five or four or whatever yeah I mean. The vocals are so clear. Like I know the original was almost sounds like a blast of sonic pain that that originally the vocals are trying to fight through of like. It's just so painful the subject matter. I gotta I gotTA gotTa Ya. I'M GONNA turn my vocals. You can't even hear me on but in in hindsight now I just feel like the I on the original episode. Is it where we talked about this record. I was like I love this song that I just can't stand the way it was recorded. It's IT'S UNPLEASANT TO LISTEN TO I. I understand the whole thing about the pain involved but this this is the dream version. I think yeah I think also at the time that they made this record. It was a reaction to automatic and out of time and the version we love this remix version. Asian is far more in line with those recordings and then this so they were trying to pull away from that and obscured the song of it. The differences They take the Oregon out and then they also chop off about twenty seconds at the end which. I don't think you need those. They also he just used a different guitar. Take where it's not as yeah right Um But yeah. So we're at seven three now for the remix. All right let us go to circus envy. This is the original. Take a remax free. The original remix left. It's hard to Martell hard to tell when it's hard to tell maybe I'm going to go with the original dissolves my favorite song on the record. Was It really all right. So we're seven and four and this is one where the vocals are clearer on this or no. Maybe it's because I able to read the lyrics. Yeah there it. At the end of the song the the character it talks about climbing up in a tree and take taking a dump on the person's head who he's obsessing which I never realized realized before I was like Holy Holy Literally Holy Shit. We'll talk about that in the interview. Portion coming up all right. Let's go to the final track. This is you and this. Is the original remix Kleenex originally Remix it's so clear to me. Clear to me is well you can hear the drums are not in this this this portion of the song that we have the clip for They took the drums out and had them kick in in the middle of the song. Will they kick in right after the first chorus. So it's a really the dramatic moment this this song in the original episode. Where we talked about it was was one of the songs led me to say like? I don't like the sound of this record and this improves upon it very much. Yeah I think so right at that point in the album you're just exhausts pummeled and assaulted. So yes so remix wins on this for us. So so we're eight and four is that is that where UH wound up pretty good remix. It's really good. It's really I'm still like discovering it and having fun listening to it. Yeah I I think I think Scott led to a really good job with that and I I. I'm really interested when a when a ban does this. Yeah I like a seminal. The album that was in everyone's apartment at one point. Yeah and then transferred over to the US record store Okay we need to take a break when we come back. We're going to talk about our experience. talking to The the the very band itself Rem Yeah man to another city to do this this enroll tell you all about it and play a little bit of it and we will be right back. It was not an American southwest. We'll be right back with more or are you talking. Rem remains your resume. Tom Yeah sounds both. It's cool. This is the remix though that was that was the remix. Yeah Oh yeah I thought you were saying that. was the original vocal take but that is the remix which may be the same vocal take look. I'm getting being lost in this whole remix thing but a good job on the remix Scotland. Hey if you ever want to come on the show feel free. Yeah Yeah do you live around here. What's your address will be there in ten years Mhm Adam is reading something this phone you want to share with the rest of us What's going on and actually I adjust stumbled upon a post from rem there in an e magazine? I guess they're an enemy magazine. They're doing a lot of promotion. Yeah I saw him on. MSNBC ON Ari Mellberg's show Talking about What else but politics? We'll be talking about that in a second So well let's get to it. Yeah this is the star of the show The story of how we came to talk to the two mikes. Yes Yep. How did that happen? I don't know it all started with a tax from Mike Mills. The couple of months ago it did really yeah. I'd maybe I didn't know this now. Well what are the tech sector he said. Do you guys want to come and interview us for the Monster Twenty five and you forwarded it to me and I was like. I'm too scared to talk about this right. That's right and then Then then someone reached well. I know someone reach out to engineer. Bread was like let me find it because it it the actual text sounded a little more Like it would be a crazy situation than what it ended up being but it was basically like. Hey the band. Rem wants to perform in a youtube space. Do Adam and Scott Wanna come out for it. was something like weird like that. We were like like someone who I didn't know they weren't abandoning or I have no idea what it was. It was sort of like what are they getting back together and performing on Youtube or say it was very very confusing inc.. It was me me saying yeah totally and then the ball started rolling and someone reached out. Who maybe wasn't leash was so in any case we gave them Dr Email addresses or emails address? I don't know how to realize that and properly And they said Hey So this is how it was. It was hyped to US originally was hey do you want to talk to Mike and Michael on your show and we we said we al we do. Oh and then we realized I think everyone realize oh wait. It's not actually on your show. It's D want to interview the guys for Youtube. I think the idea was we would interview them for Youtube and use use the Audio WanNa shine episode but that said we were cautions that this was more of a serious interview. Yeah just like this is to promote the thing. It's not going to be in. It's not going to be an episode. They thought it was going to be an episode of the show. I and that's how it was said to us. Yeah so I think it became complicated legal aid with like Youtube and it just became a whole. Yeah plus I think that the Ford where this youtube space thing they wanted more of just an actual series interview. The talked about the record in a more serious manner. They didn't want us doing our dumb shit. Yeah which is fine. That's fine yeah you don't like are dumb shit care and people can like whatever they like and in and now thinking back back on the actual space we did the interview in. I don't know how are dumb shit. Would've played it would've been terrible and because it's like there's only twenty people audience it would have been laughing. Uncomfortably would have been or not laughing at all in. Its going. Wasn't that fun. I got In any case We I thought it was cool thing to be asked who so we agreed to do it and they they were This is the people who put out the reissue. Hugh craft recordings They flew us out to to can can we say what city was in. Well all I know is it was in the the American southwest. It was not Adam. We're we're we we were in. It was a little bit North into the east the the northeastern United I believe the northeastern United States. So wait a second. Was it New York. It was New York City city. The pace picante sauce is yes there were. That's the thing about New York. These days pace picante sauce everywhere. Every student street is filled with pace just context size like seeping out of the gutter. Everyone walks around with a backpack full of tortilla chips. You just scoop it up and eat all day long. It's beautiful. I mean if you have not been to New York City you bring your tortilla chips tips and get there as soon as possible chips though because they're out of their out of them. That's because there's so much pace picante sauce so we got to New York ORC I was coming from the comedy. Bang Bang tour which So I came out from Vancouver and Gutter a couple days earlier than you and got a chance to see the David Byrne Broadway show which I wanted to mention. I can't which is incredible. Yeah you got that running running through February about right It's incredible the Eh American Utopia on Broadway. I will say the only Broadway show I've ever been to where two fights broke out in the audience right in front front of hinge to me at David Byrne show. Well not only that but at a Broadway theatre where people are like pretty much for the most part sitting down watching it. Yeah it was very but I I think it was this like Mook lookin like you know older. I think he was like sixty year old. He looked like he would have been someone in the Irishman. Can I just say that which I saw and was terrific right and he. I think he was upset. At these two gentlemen in front of us who like stood up at the very sorry end of burning down the house and like applauded advanced a little bit and use like a should fork. Hey what's going. On over there is like a shoving match and and the wife got involved in was trying to separate. And then the poor usher whose this twenty five year old kid it looked like is on a is hasn't earpieces on on a calm in her eyes get wide and she's like calling over security and so they they separate and sit back down but I'm like this is a powder our kids it's going to go off in a second security comes over and basically like looks to see the nothing's going on right then and then leaves. I'm like do you gotta stick around because this is going to go off in a second. Yeah Yeah and sure enough a few songs later they get pissed at each. They get pissed at each other. David Byrne says at a certain point he says you know you can dance in your seats like you can stand end up in dancing. Your seats just don't do it in the aisles. And I think that turned into like them going see like you know. And they started fighting again and were there like punching each other what they're shoving and then everyone in the audience is like pointing at the guy involved saying security over there and it takes a million years for security to run over again Dan and finally they have words with his his wife. I believe and try to ascertain what the issue is and they finally like call him over offering go come here. We're kicking you out. And he's like what the fog the folks. These guys are dancing thinking Dan. This is footloose rules in this theater. I'm John Lithgow does oh Gao lease the garlic. You slice it with the race. Oh Boy Oh oh so. They kicked him out. Meanwhile Irishman was terrific terrific. Meanwhile I posted that. There was a fight in someone who is in the theater. Peter said Oh yeah there was a fight by me too so weird and then someone else posted. Yeah there was a fight the night before to like what is going. This is happy music would I am. I don't mean to give people the impression that if you go see the show you're you're gonNA be like in the middle of a fight. I think it's just been people were treating it more like a rock show than a than a Broadway Broadway show. It's just so odd. Having been to the Bruce springsteen one which was quite as well. It's not a full band either. This is this is this David Byrne show has a fifteen and they think credit round. It's incredible and the other part of the David Byrne show was I walked in and I noticed it and it all made sense later but there was a sign. on the entrances at the bars will remain open the entire show and it was like okay after afterwards it all made sense but Incredible show I think perhaps as good if not better than stop making sense I mean. It's it's really incredible. I gotTA check it out if you can. So we are in New York City I'm prepping like a madman. I'm I'm listening to the record several times. I'm reading the lyrics. I'm writing questions. What are are you doing well? I didn't get there till the morning of what happened. You got there like one in the morning in the morning of so you slapped. I slept many woke up and we did. The interview woke up to the interview. I don't know I know this album back. Yeah exactly you don't have to do as much work as I do you so so we were. It was a little like hell ever taught. I don't think I've talked about this for you to interview. But the first time we interviewed Youtube we were also told to sort of dial back the humor. We were yeah which is why we were so. I think maybe we talked about it on the actual Youtube episode. Because she said they might not get yeah they were like. Let's was it. Laura Yeah Yeah it was a little like hey. Don't don't be tried to be as funny during the interview so in Buenos started like doing jokes with us. We were just confused which added to our nervousness. You can hear nervousness in the thing because we had been told. Don't be funny. Don't don't be funny. And then suddenly they're trying to. Aura was just being protective of us as well like they might not get your stupid Joe. Yeah exactly and then like I think Boehner likes stupid joke but in any case with this it was another situation of like. Don't be funny but I think we're maybe a little more used to it at this point so I thought we you did a good job I do too and I think we had there was some funny bits and stuff. Yeah they were they were. They did several. Yeah Yeah Michael. Mike Bo said how fun out there the right before we did it so I think it was a little license too but but it was more of a serious thoughtful interview that we took in care to to try to do questions that maybe they hadn't heard all the time when they talk about at this record and I think we for the most part did a good job of that asking them things that they had been asked a thousand times like we didn't ask if they're getting back together. We didn't. I forgot to do that. We didn't ask about the backyard barbecue. Unfortunately not do that Sorry gets a step closer to it. Oh one hundred percent one hundred But Yeah We. Interestingly enough we ask some questions they had never been asked before a couple of times they said Oh. I never even thought about that. That's really a couple pieces of information that had never been made public. So let's let's let's hear some clips. Basically this. This whole interview is going to go up in a few days On Youtube on Youtube you can basically go to. Rem's Youtube Youtube which is at H. Q.. And just watch watch it continuously until this pops up in a few days. That's right but the whole thing lasted about seventy five minutes. I believe they had no one point. I was like hey how. How do we know when we're running out of time? Do you have hand signals or o'clock. They're like oh I don't Oh yeah and I kept going. I still had like five questions. They could've kept going Tuba. I suddenly realized no one's ever going to give me a signal to wrap it up and it's my responsibility. So Oh here's the other thing by the way I. This is my biggest regret about the interview. I've it's popped into my head four times since then but what. I realized we need to wrap it up just because the clock said Noah was saying wrap it up so I I said okay. I think we're out of time. Mm and that sounds like a pun on their record out of time and and Michael. Flynn ha ha. Yeah like I was making a pie. And in retrospect there's like no. Yeah no other way to say that. We're running short on time. Maybe right time seems to be elapsing at a rapid pace. I think I remember the audience reacting to it. It is well like I did not know I could tell you weren't it was it's just the the ha ha from state fuck you. It was like a knife in my God. He didn't care. I know he didn't care but it just it like. Don't name your record out of time like something. That's going to be said a lot in interviews interviews day over and over again it's other cool thing about the interviews. The tucked talked about the different record covers his regrets about that was interesting. But don't don't name your record. Welcome to the show. If that's something that's going to be said every time you go on a show or seal later like what if your record alligator later see see you later alligator after awhile any of those things. Don't don't do it all right. So we're going to hear some clips. The entire seventy five minute thing is going to be up on Youtube soon. here's the first clip These are clips that we requested. Because Adam you actually were the one who picked these clips uh-huh do you want to talk about this first one. What is the first one? Remember when we started this segment. I said do you have the email and you know you can pick out these clips. Well I okay what order you have them in there. Okay this is this is the first one. This is about We were talking about circus. Envy Oh yeah this is really cool. This is one of the kind of new the pieces of information that New Intel new Intel that we got out of the interview we play it. Yeah Yeah Okay. So this is a regarding circus. Envy I don't know how it starts. I just WANNA frame it a little bit. Let's hear it One of the great things about this new Package or bucks or whatever. There's lyrics the monster. which weren't there before and it's great to see the actual lyrics and I- circus envy was always my favorite song on the record and Holy Shit reading the lyrics? The actual Eric's that is a crazy song. There is at the end of the song. The main character of the song climbs up into a tree and takes takes a dump on someone's head what the fuck is going on. And that's that's my favorite song. Absolutely I love to put it in the settlers live because I just laugh I would wait for that last line just so I could laugh even louder the very end. I love that song. How do you twenty five years? I didn't know that with that. Lose my favorite song on the record. It's it's great so so you really can't went there with some of these. These were very different songs. I didn't hold back that song. I mean I can tell you. The genesis is very very easy. It's One of my romains one of my favorite films of all time When I was eighteen years old I went to see A young director who had just released his first feature film which I'd seen midnight movie and it blew me away so I went to hear David Lynch talk a a to myself a young punk rocker and a bunch of hippies who are not getting wearing army helmet does the Saint Louis Missouri Nineteen seventy-eight Army Helmets and Pajamas Almaz and we all showed up to see David Lynch talk about eraserhead and sat there for two hours and he never showed he never but his ex almost the elephant man starring John Hurt and who I met a thanks to Mike Mills. Mike invited me to dinner one night in Los Angeles and he didn't tell me That we were going to be dining with John hurt and I I still I still kind of shut her when I think about how incredible it was one of my heroes At any rate there's a scene in elephant man where the they pick up the carnival and move it of the night past I'm a lake and that scene is where circus in becomes from that scene is we're carnival a box box cars. Whatever that song is called Carnival sorts came from all the circus circus stuff goes back to that scene in the elephant man? Wow so box. Carnival of sorts and circus envy. Come from the same scene you have you ever said that before okay so interesting to new. Ram Songs based on the same scene. Yeah in a lynch movie. I mean it's a moment I was in. I have never heard this before i. I don't think he's ever said this Andy and he gave confirmation on that. I will say if there was ever a moment that we should have done an episode of I love films that would have been down my God. I so wanted to do a missed opportunity film. Oh my God just talk about the greats David Lynch so great so that was really cool and circus envy. We being a favorite song of mine. Who is it was just? It was great and see. There's another thing about the interview. is they were really open and cool cool and so I feel like the conversation went in directions that we We weren't expecting at all and also they're not on the Grind Ryan saying the exact same thing about this record over and over like they were twenty five years ago so they can we. We were hoping that this could be a reexamination of it of like okay. In retrospect how do you feel about it which leads us to the next clip? This was a question that I asked about politics and music and politics. Let's hear it But we we recognize immediately that the last time the world had seen us as a touring band was nineteen eighty-nine and things have changed dramatically. We were no longer in the dark days of Reagan and Bush Senior. We had moved into at the time lighter happier days of Clinton And we don't. I need to Monday morning quarterback that now but but at the time it was really it was it was a much needed. Respite wasn't the first record that you put out with a Democratic president in your entire career. Fuck that's crazy. I'm learning so much tonight. I think you've only put up four. Well you put up with Clinton and one with Obama and a few with Reagan. Mike a lot with. That's our fault. Komo bummer how people look back on. Reagan Saint Ronnie yes. It's a real tragedy. Did it kind of feel like like this was an opportunity to kind kind of politically. Take a break. You know every we're in good hands now with a Democratic president. We can talk about more ironic things. Aw that's a really nervous about. I've never thought about it that way before. I mean made element of relief. We were never. We never wanted to be thought of as a political band. We where political people who used our platform to express our feelings about things so there were times when we would definitely pull back from the politics because it was getting like Ted Turner one in time and he said Oh. Yeah you're in that political ban. No no we're just abandoned cares about what happens in the world so at this point we when we're representing ourselves to the world There there is a there is an ironic distance involved in what we did. There was a little bit of removal from from defaced. That we were presenting to to the to the crowds crowds. That were coming to our shows after having been away for five years so I had funky suits Michael shaved his head. We just a whole weird new presentation of ourselves because we could. It was an opportunity due to sort of redefine who we were and swagger that that that that that came along with it and and I and I just think it was it was a really good moment. I'm up for that to happen. And we were looking at the world around US realizing we had helped create that change. We helped move things out of the eighties and into the mid nineties and we now had to respond to it in a way that made us still. I hate the word so that made us as relevant as we felt like we were and that was our way of doing it. So yes all those things kind of dovetailed into into this use of you know I love Glam Rock. I mean I loved it. The monkeys and the Archie. That's where Shiny Happy People and get up. It came from so you stand no problem there. This was this was really a departure for us and particularly following those records but we needed loud raw swaggering big songs to perform on the ninety five monster tour and that that's what that's what the record provided us. We had a whole new fans at that point from people who had only heard the hits losing my religion. Everybody hurts and all that so we shafted them. We just said everything you think you know about at this band is wrong. You're not going to do automatic part two. We're going to present something completely different which which are long-term fans will understand what we're doing and why we're doing it but all the all the new you release who hadn't heard anything except the hits Some of them stuck with us and some of them said the hell with this. This is not what I signed up for. They wanted automatic part too. And that's not what we provide. Yeah I can answer the political question. I had to think about what we always did. And what I was particularly as the lyricist in the front man my job as I see it as a creative need a person and as an artist or as a musician was to tap into whatever was happening and I do this really well. I think. TAP into whatever's happening in that moment and try to present it in a way that makes it make a little more sense to try to put it in a in a in a light a spotlight that helps us not not only move through the moment that we're in but towards something that's that's that's a greater and hopefully more progressive and more. I'm an optimist so a better place and that's my. That's how I see my job so if we were not doing quote unquote political songs. At that point it's because I felt like that wasn't necessary are your needed by us at the at that moment What was needed? I think was the kind of upset that this record provided. It almost seems like if you were to put out a record now which I know. Oh you may be and if you were to take that sort of ironic style with lyrics people would be like there's so much going on in the world right now now why put distance between it you know it almost seems like perilous times sort of call for more sincerity do. Would you agree with that. Absolutely the that inspires you know one of the jobs of artists. Whatever that means is to is to provide counterpoint to to the darkness that sometimes is in power and so when Reagan and Bush were were in power It you're much more inclined to speak up and say this is a real problem and then when Clinton comes in you feel like well okay. We we've done something about that. We don't really have to rail against it at the moment. So let's look at it from a different point of view. Okay so that that that I count as a win because I think Mike Miller said Oh. That's interesting I've never thought of that before. So it's interesting too because Michael Michael came back to it later and said in I think it was on the clipper. He's like. Oh no now I know how to answer because he was one of those you know usually when you get asked a question in an in an interview you you get asked the same things a lot so you have all of these. Have all the answers like ready to go. But this was one he actually had to think about while Mike was talking. Yeah so that that's cool. I I thought that was an interesting really corresponds. Then we talked about you being dry video right and so let's You WanNa hear that. Okay here we go well when my friends and I Put on Green Aprons and came by the studio to deliver coffee pretending to to be coffee people and not done the back door. You all seem like you're having a great time so we probably had agreed time throwing you out the studios just ignoring us and not letting you had. You heard that story Michael About Adam coming to the studio. I think I told him I. I thought you were mentioning. That actually happened actually would have been eleven and green. A Green Abramson exists yet. That's right okay. Green aprons were invented in in nineteen. ninety-two I don't know if anyone I know I was in my twenties and we came in and delivered coffee to the back of remember hearing. What's what what eventually was what's the frequency? Can it's coming out of the door and being very accepted which city. La Notion win. Total Zelic with the band. The other thing we should mention is that Adam is in the drive. That's what I'm saying. Yeah between the coffee delivery you're just sort of inserting yourself self into all these dry video. There's a there's all this beautiful stuff that happened behind the river came. I remember I was GonNa say I didn't know if it was okay to say but I do remember. Everyone was like dude. It's River Phoenix in. He was He was it was really cool and I was making a film and trying to make a film at the time with Oliver Stone called desperation angels which which ended with Three friends one of whom discovers these HIV positive. I'm chaining themselves to the White House Gates at the end of the film. Michael Oliveri a WHO now now known for Sopranos was the Guy who would change change who discovers his status and they go on this road trip to try to to to try to bring attention to what's happening. But Oliver was the executive producer on that he came he was drunk and he and river got an testified in in my trailer. WHOA and river one right? Yeah it was it was it was fucking cool. I don't like fighting but it was. It was like it was like this. Awesome at the end of your relationship with Oliver. No now I mean he goes on and on. Yeah he's he's got his own trajectory and I actually I Have respect for the guy but he did trump a little hammered so he got hammered. Yeah that was cool so yeah I mean obviously we talked to Mike Mills about that but yeah but not Stipe Yeah Afterwards I thought of a couple of other things to to ask ask about the video but we were kind of nearing the end of the time interview. We're out of time PA Yeah but how crazy is that about oliver stone and River Phoenix. Yeah getting I heard that some like I'd read it in a book or something like hide because I remember seeing River Phoenix at the other end of this giant. The place where we like he was far away but it was like holy. He's Obviously River Phoenix But the fact that they got into a fight yeah interesting all right one last clip and of course you can hear the entire interview and watch because cameras were trained upon us. Yes although I was not checking the cameras during the interview to make sure that they were still right on our faces no I made sure beforehand that there were two cameras that were super ultra closed up some both of our faces. Okay okay good thank you. That's the way I like it This is a we asked This is a short clip about one interesting thing when we were talking to the people apple from craft recordings is that They had found that that this record was sort of an entry point for a lot of fans this is a lot of a lot of fans first. Rem Album so you want to ask about that what we've heard from your people as you've been hearing from a lot of people that say mon- Monster was actually their entry point to the band which I think is the most interesting entry point of your whole catalog like what it must have been like to enter the REM You know fandom at monster and kind of discovery you from there must because monster. I remember at the time. Everyone's saying it's their return to rock but this doesn't sound anything like document green light switch pageant through kind of more rocky or rock. It's so weird it is. I profoundly weird and wonderful record. I think I imagined just people who who started with monster and then going. Oh well I'll go back and check out this stuff. And then they listen. Shoot out of time. What the Hell's going on here? So that's all right. I mean it's it's you know. If you make enough records you have to keep moving. It's like a shark. You know if you still you'll die. Ah I despise status even more than I despise sentimentality. Yeah all right so pretty cool. Yeah really fun. Fun Time A fun time. Times should say Sig K and everyone from craft recordings. Thanks for having us. I know that Dealing with us is is not easy. Awful I look. I came in and needed a steamer for my for my shirt because I'd been onto her all week and I needed to so We went through like three steamers before we found one that we did. It was a big problem in there and I can just understand that where they were going. Just wear whatever you're wearing like they don't care but I wanted to it now that I look good you wanted to steam your Yup. I wanted to put steam my and then afterwards we went to dinner with those guys I I think they called an audible like they were all planning on going to dinner and I think that they wanted to see how the interview went before we were invited to it or if we were Weirdos and And Mike and Michael Both said Yeah. Let's invite them to dinner and he was very And that was A lot of fun for us because I think we spent ninety minutes two two hours eating dinner with those guys and and having wine and and you sat in between Michael and Mike and Michael said to me when I walked in here sitting next to me and it was like okay and we talked about a lot of stuff none of which I think we want to talk about publicly but they were great. They were great. Great Guys Really Nice to us and this brings us closer to the backyard barbecue. So close does it did not to say that we spent the the entire dinner talking and planning the backyard barbecue. Buzz Shalit's officially. We officially did not do that. But I will say someone is is looking into tarp rentals right now a might be getting some crew taste pretty sick man so Does this count as as stipe. E- being on our show. Yeah because you just heard. His voice heard his voice. Yeah yeah that's true. I mean it's exclusive right now for a few days until it. It comes out on Youtube. Listen man this is ours own it counted being and now we need bilberry point yeah we gotta get bilberry. What's up bill? You're listening. I know of course that was exciting. News during in the interviews that getting back into music. Yeah so we'll yeah that's that was something that we talked about you can hear that over there on. Rem's youtube and so cool experience. Yeah it was. It was terrific. Yes it was really fun. Were you freaking out at all. No dead inside side now a little bit I you know when I was freaking out a little was when we first went into that room to the guy they had cameras. They want to do a little behind behind the scenes of like. Hey this is the first time meeting Michael Right. Let's film it. Yeah and it was kind of a bummer. I think while you're uh-huh meeting someone and none of us we're comfortable and and then the cameras left the room and we hung out for a few minutes and that was fine. Yeah v very cool head overdue. Rem's website page YouTube page. All they have a channel they have a youtube channel. That's cool. I wish I had one. Yeah you do I do yeah just made it for you. Oh Shit what's on it just you. Let's say it's a supercup Of You farting. That's all that's on there thank you I guess. Where'd you get all the footage? Oh I'm always filming you why I have a camera. That's in your pants so I get close up. What part shots is that why you were checking my NC? The other day you were installing a camera though no yes I was. I was not checking urine. Seem to make sure you win on your hand Rafi son of a bitch. You came over to my house. You're

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Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Mike Vorkunov [NBA and Knicks Reporter] (2020)

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Scoop B Radio Overtime f/Mike Vorkunov [NBA and Knicks Reporter] (2020)

"The man who else could be radio. You'd never sufficiently very bob say the best in the business school to school business proved to be true. Sports gave the biggest interview. He gave you the tools to cast the journalist. What was like ten gift to Gab? If he say discuss now kitchen and you can see the way talk with his talk. Green food now following has follow him. Yes Scooby Radio area code on the claim on the train house. While you're being quarantined I am ready to scooby. Robinson make sure to follow me on twitter at scoop be instagram snapchat scoop underscore being and make sure most importantly all subscribed scooping radio podcast which is available on all platforms two point one million streams. Alaska anyone from the voice of Siri. Mark Cuban You name it. They've been on it and On the line right now. The Guy who's sitting home just like me waiting for the next move none other than the athletics my working on Sir. Thank you so much for joining radio. Podcast course man. Happy take a lot of a lot of sitting around and home right now trying to find work trying to get through this one time on sure. You're you're going to thing. How the hell are you doing it? I didn't say that I would say that's what I'm trying to do. Good Mix When you look at what They've done this year. They had their head coach They fired their head coach. They have Interim head coach. Leon rose you gotta just a lot of different things going on if you could expertise PINKETT synopsis. Or have you taken this at this. Just on Just your observation. That the Knicks this season and manage that you've had some time with krona. What do you make of it be rung and I know we did? We did a thing for the I like talking about the Atlantic vision and On the questions was are the Knicks in a better place now and they were being the season and I don't know how to answer that I don't really know how to compare where they are now to where they were in amber. I mean a lot of firing the main one big higher and just like trying to understand. I can't tell if they're better off. They just keep going from one plan to another big picture and I thought about this. Is You know the thing with me. On Rosa's we know nothing about him. Active right aged With the Knicks are looking for representation. And so I don't know I tried just tried to like answer. The question in my Ed It just there's so much change and I can't say it's going to be better Really and I think that's why the Knicks are in place for Family Weird Place. They have been for every few years the last like that yourself. Rj marriage Was drafted by the Knicks. Last summer comes in and has dealt with injuries But at points during the season has legitimately played well and an MBA. See everybody's paying attention to John Mirant and you've Williamson what do you make of your one for Rg Barrett? I think it's been good as birth. I think it's in bad at other times. I think the story of this draft is that it just to players draft talk with Diane and Josh and then everybody underneath is in a different class and it's like who third player in this job. Five and twenty nineteen drive five. I think it's hard to say right now. I think RJ could make a case for it. You know at times. He's been kind of that fully wings. Get to the basket whenever he wants to get left out at other times. It's really clear that the fact that he can't shoot right now and then jump shot in question for last year coming into the draft to is really going to impact his career and probably Determine the trajectory of it. I think there's a chance that he really good player. But I wouldn't say for certain and I've seen other places are John Hollinger the very much Pretty Down Arcade. John's I on I think a little higher on. Maybe it's from washing every day. And then no bit but It's hard to say right now. What kind of player argue it will be Which is really a lot of uncertainty. Like they don't have one for sure. Future are on the team right now. Even archaic shown at times and Kennedy this season and Realize how good it the junk shop and it'd be and that's the big question with him. I don't know you can't project that you know that. That's that's the online with the athletic. My Broken Mike when you look at David Bill's philosophy Versus Might Miller one thing or your Mike Miller advocate. You say Mike because I think I think of the other Mike Miller Nba Champion Yeah When you look at their philosophies the culture and philosophy is one of the thing all right the difference in how Julius randle was used in physical system versus Miller what has been your observation Different than how Jewish Reynolds in us. You know he's been given left. Free Rein Davis let Jewish rental. Do whatever you wanted ran. The offense started defeated point dollar. Like Noah shut down or not you. You know giving more emphasis allocating to ask. Think that the fact that Payton came back coincide with the start of Mike Norris Tandis interim coach was important for both those guys. You know. We've seen Jewish. It'll be more control at ease. Our Twenty and eleven for the last month or so basically the seasons Even more efficient and I think that's been the biggest difference and she figured it out a little bit half play within his role how to be a left ball dominant Kinda and. That's the difference in Davis caution for him for whatever the Doing. It was like okay. We're GONNA work this out. Will You keep doing what you're on whereas might not kinda oriented the offense a little bit away from Jewish Randall? And that's probably platform because You know I don't think he's. He's showing that he's fit you number one option on it. Yeah Man I I definitely when Julius randle came in I overlooked blue-collar Demarcus cousins and the blue collar more healthier market because And you know a potential all stars this season but I think that their record you know definitely. They couldn't nothing earlier in the season. We're trying to figure out what was what and that's system particularly you got a Lotta guys that play the same position In that three four five tween role. How do you think Mike Miller has balanced out with a lot of guys? Thank you I mean. What made you thinking that cousins ramble. Comparising seems like Did IT AT number one option in Sacramento for a lot of years Randall. I've never quite before right. Yeah when I say cousins I guess I mean like a mobile power more center more so powerful more that has three skills that can fill up the stat sheet when you look at What Randall did last year and he put up salad numbers consistent numbers But I think he did it as a second option to Anthony Davis last season but Anthony Davis was out because he knew that that that trade with them and it kind of. It's almost like he patted his desk. 'cause he knew he would probably be out of there but I think when he played in Los Angeles he was also like you said he's second set of the Angelo and and I think that that's why I say blue collar guy because he's a four five that can that has a a according to like a two or three And can fill up with betsy. Yeah I mean I think the difference is when you go from you know supporting row last year with you know when Anthony Davis is out there in and out there is when everybody's focused on you you know we see. How many times have you seen the season where he gets bogged papa key driving to the lane get double triple team and everything? Kinda just stops grace down And the Knicks. Figure out a way next year. I think to make sure that doesn't happen. Often get him. Get him the ball positions if you. I'm sure you wash them players and you saw how much you got. The ball. Like on the on the break Gaining steam as he went downhill. Or how you got ball state. I think they're gonNA have to figure out Jewish back to optimize the court for. Yeah for sure for sure. Coaching changes You look at that. You look at the Knicks. They both have interim head coaches Two part question because you see the next bringing kidding concern for sure. I think he'd be a great hire. They can get help studies as everyone is pointed out since he got fired. He'd be a guy right like we don't know what the CAS actually going to be on the Knicks going forward Kansas count will be the effect on the Knicks on Park Museum. And in the past and make sense to some degree to I can see the next unit. He'd be great he'd be perfect from where they are right now to write like that where he took over the nats they needed to build a culture they needed to really do A lot of players element I need to figure out who they were. And the Nixon the same exact place right now. with a little bit better talent with James Knox keene already with a franchise but I think if they can. They can hire them. That'd be great higher than questions. About how many options will carry out this off season. Do you think the Knicks have an or rather the interest in Jason Kidd I think anything is possible. I I don't know I don't think that'd be weird way to go. Don't you think like considering his history and his personality We seem to be more of a low key kind of guy. I don't know he's got much incapacitation can either I don't know if that's the guy that he wants to coach a team but then again we don't really know he's looking for it. I think you're it. I'd rather have 'cause he's got a long track track record and and that's been about for some time the Tom Simple relationship with a and or Leon rose. What are you hearing about? I mean obviously with with the corona virus and everybody being shut down or that what we're hearing as far as potential movement in that direction. Always anything. You were just like everyone. When you're you're talking to people around the League who think it'd be the next coach will bring up Thompson. Because Leon and Tom Away back he is You know see a guy and so you know. Sometimes that's the first name that comes to mind and so easy to connect the dots there It doesn't mean necessarily. That'll happen but he's we got an in there and what. I think when we were trying to figure out all this like we'd next coach GM going to be Who you know like well. The Knicks really rely on CA CLIENTS. A lot of is like understanding comfort. And knowing who you know and so if you're going to be making is going to be hiring for finding player shading for them you WanNa have a lot of information on this. You've worked with them before. Then you'd probably have more information on in other players and coaches that you have it and so I think that FIS network kind of works like that right. It's not like I'm gonNA hire understanding because they're seeing is is. I know them better than I know. Everyone else until I have more certainty there and I think that that's how you could wear Whenever whenever the NBA untreated back in February at the entrance to the deadline reported Nixon. The warriors were discussing A potential trae That the hold ups where you know Mitchell Robbins and you know some of those other factors for somebody who's covering the Knicks who is covering the Knicks Rather Would you have liked the same low wrestler New York City? Back in New York Jersey. Yeah I think he would have been a great addition for the next like I should have been more interested in free agency have summer especially with what they ended up doing The question is like what you give up again. You know. I don't know I don't think training there's a Robinson in the right move because he's already good young really cheat your next two seasons after this. I think maybe even like moving your first round pick would have been a better play just because like right now There what they have the percent chance of getting the seventh or eighth taking. What's supposed to be a week draft? I gave that up and give up something that you do know what you have mixed Robinson I you like. Do you think this robin for you know. In a trade for the Angelo would have been too much have been enough. I think that basically information I had I thought that the that the warriors were trawling But I I personally. Don't think that when you're right like you know what you have you know what's familiar and I also think that you never go wrong with having a big man. I think the big man is returning And A and a lot of aspects. Maybe not your traditional big man. Big Man A guy that can block a got a like you look at Mitchell right you can. He can rebound score he can. He can block shots. That's I rather have a draw for car arsenal skip to. Hey Hey by the way but worries Chawla. Listen you gotta ask right. You don't always get much you ask for it after. I never know how these young Oregon that like opening with the Celtics net straight on the train like the the Celtics asking for pick and they kept. We'll keep going Way You never know like hey you never know yeah I'm with you on vague. Well I don't know I think you can only play one big at a time. I actually. It's just like Robinson can't shoot. I think he needs to go You know I'm I'm more in on solve all but I think he's silly to make Robbins. Okay is that he can protect the ran. He can switch out on one remedy. How yeah and he's numb any young ready on the line with my woken up Mike. What Gotcha went to a winning start? What was your point of entry? How Matt Honestly I started out the rocker and I. I started writing for the school paper like my sophomore year. And I just did it just for fun like a big sports fan like everyone is and then other well let me try that and I started covering track and field. 'cause I ran track in high school and this is something I know. This'll be simple Need something to do and then I just really liked it. I get into trying to be a sports writer. Anything I you know what I want to do in college And it stopped in that I ended up covering rockers college basketball team for two years which is like good precursor covering the Knicks. Because that was another bad team always getting in trouble for one reason or another. I tried to get a job out of holiday. I couldn't do it. I couldn't get any internships so you know it was a long way together. Yeah where have you seen it? Change athletic is definitely something. That's new that's working. You've got a lot of arts analogies that are there David all Jewish annual In in A bunch of people that are there How have you seen? The Vortex of journalism changed since you started in college too now. Change Wow That's you know one like the newspaper Model X. completely changed it used to be few national guys and then you know you go to the beat writers and you're writing every day to three times a day like weren't that many people writing for the Internet. There weren't that many different voices out there like very similar. I think the thing about you know basketball tournament. Let's say there's different points of view? I don't think various no. I don't think that there's enough of that I think that it's still Thousand saying too many places. There's too many of the same you know people saying there's not enough diversity and I it does seem to be getting better slowly I think the thing there's more places that are just like trying shit. I don't know if I heard podcasts. There's more people that are trying weird thing and hovering T- In covering the League in whatever way they want to instead of following a formula and I think that's great I think more people can be unique. And how the cover back off and just write about or talk about or do video About the league and the way that they want. That doesn't follow the same rules that they've always done it better off like I think it makes things more interesting. I think the way we're doing at the athletic awesome. I was fathering before started working for a four flights. We've got so many different people who cover teams in so many different ways you know like broadcasters and do the same thing that you know Kelly and Houston right. I don't do the same thing. That like Nick Saban does Denver like and we got them and Shan Da. Like it's so many and I think it's the way across dot journals in to like there's so many people doing so much stuff up like it. I like it what are you? What is one thing that you've done that you've learned that you've learned about yourself during this Semi Corn Depresses Corona virus. man I think I think that's going to be the case for all. I'm learning very quickly now. How much patients I have I thought I had more. I'm learning that maybe might be less thought You know like I don't know you don't like hard you know we're all going to be. I think for a few weeks for -obably eighty two months Be South. Point the excellent. And we're going to be learning to live in a totally different way Going to be difficult like this is GonNa be the. I think a lot of people the hardest thing that they've done and I was like I'm bad with routine and bad it like having a normal day especially if you're ready both got weird hours going to different times or eating at different times. I'm Kinda like settling into this whole nine to five type of thing. Nine like trying to create some structure in my life. I think I kind of missed it all all my life. I I think actually done the sooner. That's kind of what I'm wearing. I should've tried this routine thing earlier. yeah yeah. What about you To be honest with you nothing has really changed from me. Because I'm not because I'm working from home anyway. I'm recording my podcast. I'm writing from home if I have to go to the venue do it. Then I leave What I'm learning is a lot of people are adjusting to that life and it's interesting to see how other people are just that life. Yeah like I mean like I I have a friend who works and travel and the office shut down and they made themselves expendable by getting the office phone installed in their house. So they're still able to take calls for office at home and it's like wow. Why do you guys think of this sooner? Like everybody doesn't have to be in the office all the time. Every every calm doesn't have to be a meeting conference for top But isn't they? I work from home a lot like having to. I'm telling you just want about these people you know whether action sometimes atmosphere where you get crazy I think working from all thing is really gonNA. I don't know what the workplace in a look like when we all get out and like so much of the world. I think he's going to change. And we might not go back before just doing those things that have a history But you know I started getting off are you are you? You're going for a walk like it's like I'm in Jersey and we have essentially like relation policy where you can't leave your Your apartment until unless you need essential thing so even going out for a walk around a run at the time this like sanctuary when you can do it. Yeah I think I think I try to step out of my house a couple times a day just to get some air just to talk on the phone just to you know. Do I knew grocery shops before I Before everything started but when you talk about essential Yeah the grocery store is essential You might get water that it really makes you think what's what's essential what's not. Yeah that's the thing is like you know work with me figuring out what we really need or not like how much of that. We need to sit there Yeah and I think we're GONNA learn like very student that's just normal. Social Interaction is essential And I don't know how long we're GONNA have to go out. You know. Well we can still talk on the phone out by boy sometimes reach out and touch I think is the coined word there that we should use. Well Yeah Yeah do you off the hot seat oh I did. I handled it. Well I need someone to write about. My parents told me if I robot appreciate you joining me on the today. Stay safe out there and Keeping coastal what's what yeah. Everyone's lifting your bat they say and Fighting the curb. If we can all get out of this and get flight yes sir. My wasn't off. Thank you so much from each scoop.

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July 7, 2020 - Full Show

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July 7, 2020 - Full Show

"Good evening and welcome to Chicago tonight I'm Paris shots on the show tonight. What's behind the new culture of white supremacy and extremism? Well unemployment remained low as cova cases surge across the country. Writer Charles woodhouse junior on healing after violence. What kind of guidelines are in place as kids return to playing sports? And Lake Michigan is ten degrees warmer than a year ago, but why the warm up. But first tonight's developments. No bail for the alleged getaway driver in a weekend shooting that left a seven-year-old girl dead. The Talia Wallis was shot just after seven o'clock on Saturday night while playing outside her grandmother's South Austin Home Cook. County prosecutors said during today's bond hearing Wallace was preparing to start the second grade. A thirty two year old man authorities think was the intended victim was hit in the ankle and survived at today's hearing a Cook County. Judge denied bond for thirty three year old Reginald. Merrill. He'll be held in jail on first degree, murder and aggravated battery charges and we've got much more about this story on our website. A record month for recreational marijuana in Illinois. According to the state June, two thousand, twenty, hundred forty seven point, six million dollars in adult use cannabis sales that beats the forty four point three million dollar record set in May and the thirty nine point two million dollars in sales from January the first month. Recreational marijuana was legal in Illinois. Push against governor, Jay Pritzker tax overhaul, a coalition of groups held a virtual press conference today. Urging Illinois to vote no on the graduated income tax on the November ballot. Pritzker believes the tax would make sure wealthy residents and businesses pay their fair share to help the state. Dig Out of its budget mess. The proponents have one argument and that is. We want to spend more money and we're going to try and convince you that somebody else is going to pay the TAB. Well guess what that somebody else is you? Illinois is already leading the nation in out-migration. If you go ahead and pass this progressive tax. Some of the wealthiest folks in the middle class will only accelerate their their departure from the state. The group, pushing the graduated income tax, which Pritzker has helped fund responded with a statement that says in part quote. Today's press conferences was the height of hypocrisy put on a group masquerading as a grassroots organization, whose sole purpose is to protect the millionaires and billionaires who have benefited from Illinois unfair tax system for too long since the truth isn't on their side. This press conference was filled with lies from start to finish. Chicago fire. FC Fans will have to wait a little bit longer to see their team. Play the fire. God in just two games before the MLS season was suspended. Chicago is supposed to take on Nashville tomorrow. As part of the MLS has back tournament in Orlando Florida, but the soccer match was postponed after five Nashville players tested positive for covid nineteen. The fire are now scheduled to play a week from today against Miami's expansion club. A NEW SALIVA COVID nineteen test made its debut today at the University of Illinois at our banish champagne developed by via researchers, school leaders say they hope to offer ten thousand tests today by August twenty fourth. That's when in person instruction starts up again. Meanwhile, the Illinois Public Health Department announces nearly six hundred new cases of corona virus, bringing the state's total to more than one, hundred, forty, eight, thousand, as well as thirty seven additional deaths for total of seven, thousand, sixty three. White supremacy and white nationalism have been on the rise in recent years since twenty seventeen, the number of white nationalist hate groups has increased by fifty five percent according to the southern poverty law center. This comes as some accused president trump of stoking racial divisions with incendiary tweets and statements, so what is behind this resurgence of extremism in the United States? Joining us with more is Christian. Piccinini a former member of a racist skinhead group in south suburban blue. Island he now leads the free radicals project, which helps people disengage from hateful or extremist groups. He's also the author of the recent book breaking hate confronting the new culture of extremism. Welcome back to Chicago tonight. Great to have you. Thank you Paris. Thanks for having me all right so for those not familiar with your story. Just quickly recap your experience with extremist groups in the eighties how you are able to extricate yourself. From one thousand, nine, hundred, seven to nine, hundred, nineteen, six, I was a white supremacist, fourteen years old I was recruited into America's first Neo Nazi skinhead group and I spent eight years as a member. As a propaganda, somebody who was violence as a recruiter. And during those eight years. Especially in the latter half I really started the question when I was involved with I wasn't brought into it, because I was brought up a racist, my parents. Are Italian immigrants who came to the US in the mid sixty s and one arrived were often victims of prejudice, so wasn't part of my family DNA? Per Se, so I started to meet people along that journey that really challenge what I believed in and those people where people of color they were people who were part of the Lgbtq community, and eventually it was them who had compassion for me and saw something in me that I didn't even see in myself, and and really offered me an escape from. And you really changed your life with that. You're the author of several books as we mentioned including breaking hate confronting the new culture of extremism. So, how is this new culture right now? Different from what you experienced in the evenings? Well in the eighties was very high touch. It was very face to face. I was recruited in an alley on the south side of Chicago, and I was invited to a meeting and given a pamphlet, and it was the camaraderie was evident because it was very face to face. Well today. The Internet is really that. Alleyway for anybody to become radicalized twenty four hours a day seven days a week. It's almost as if it's an all you can eat buffet and we're being served this propaganda. That is polarizing even further so when we're spending time online when we're having discussions about politics and social media. What is happening is we're becoming radicalized by that and it's become much much easier. In, it's reach the mainstream instead of that dark alley, and does that mean that more people are at risk of becoming radicalized especially since it's everywhere twenty four seven as you mentioned, and some of this propaganda is couched in things that might seem normal. Well, uncertainty is is really what provides fuel for extremism to flourish, and we are in the most uncertain times. I think that any of us have ever seen between pandemic and unemployment disappearing. Middle Class. Contested election! That's coming up. It really is creating a perfect storm for extremism. Soup obssessed, and we mentioned that number fifty five percent rise in violent white supremacist groups since two thousand seventeen, there was the march and Charlottesville that got a lot of media attention. Is it more prevalent now, or is it just more visible? Well to be clear at something that is existed for over four hundred years in our country. And it certainly is growing now because we have access has reached the mainstream because some of the rhetoric that I said thirty years ago on the fringes is now coming to the surface, and being said in many cases almost verbatim from politicians. But what kind of rhetoric? So there, you know there's been a long history at least in the last five years of our president promoting. That were put out by white supremacists, promoting conspiracy theories that fall in line with white supremacy the language that we used to use as just been kind of polished. And you know from policies to to rhetoric. Everything is falling in line with what I would have believed thirty years ago, and in fact, many of the people that I work with are telling me that they feel that the last several years. It's as if time has come. and. Let's quickly play a clip of that tweet. You're one of the tweet referring to where the president tweeted. Someone in Florida yelling out white power. Cow. So the president, then deleted the tweet, but the pattern here seems to be you know. He plays footsie with some of these groups, and then leaves himself. Some plausible deniability to say I wasn't doing anything racist. What do you see president trump's role in promoting the rise of extremism right now? Was So. This is something that's existed in our country for a long time, and it says if. All those little sparks that have existed as if the president's kicked over a bucket of gasoline at the united all those sparks. Are Uncertain right now and they're afraid. They're looking for somebody to blame and and the rhetoric. That's coming out from name calling. To you know calling a virus Chinese virus all the types of language that will place the blame on somebody else, but you know the reality of the problem is really stirring these people up in. They're buying into it, and some of the groups that self identify right now. Our names like the bougie lose proud boys. Who are these groups? And what are they want? There are so many different types of groups that are all united. By a common thread of ideology and that is to create a white homeland everything from the Gulu blue. Boys who are interested in. Can of. ANTI-GOVERNMENT AND PROMOTION OF CIVIL WAR TO PROD. Boys who call themselves, Western. Male chauvinist! To Neo Nazi skinheads and members of the alright who we've seen in places like Charlotte's Laurel kind of falling under an umbrella. Never in my history in the white supremacist movement was there a national figure who has spouting this type of rhetoric that we wanted to hear and I feel so it's emboldening. At the same time in the last few months, we've seen worldwide protests in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter Movement. How is this being perceived? You think in some extremists or white supremacist circles. Well for them. It's really always about fear rhetoric, so it's about painting. Black lives matters as a terrorist group when they're not when it's a screaming for equity. And it's also about pinpointing real violence that happens in Chicago and using that without fact without a basis of why that violence is occurring to spread more fear that blacks are committing crimes at unprecedented levels, and it's really same type of regurgitate bigger, -tated rhetoric that. Thirty years ago always about painting the other as the cause to to all of the problems that exist at least all the uncertainty. And given all of these different groups that you talked about how concerned should you know the average American be that this is going to escalate into some kind of violent conflict. Well I think we've we've seen evidence of violence in our nation's history. That hasn't really stopped so I think everybody should be very concerned about it, but until we fixed the institutional systemic racist problems that we that are currying our own local government, but nationally as well, this is going to be a factory that continues to turn out inequity that will continue to paint the other as somebody as somebody who is a cause of the problem, so those are things that we need to fix. We can focus one on one with people to try and disengage. Do but I think. As, a whole need to focus on systemic solutions, and as we mentioned you run, a group called the free radicals project you do focus with people to try and disengage and I read where you said that you can't have a ideological debate because they're not operating in the same reality that you are. So, how do you engage and try to extricate? Well, you know. I do a lot of listening. That's not listening to ideology learned to filter that out and I listened for common issues, things that fundamentally important to me to them things like my family, my children I want them to be healthy and safe, and I start there, and eventually the conversation will go off track when he gets ideological, but at least I have a way to bring it back to center something. That's commonly important to both of. Of US rather than starting out on opposite ends, and never really finding a way to the middle, but what I found in the biggest misnomers, people are not attracted to the ideology. Initially, they're searching for a sense of identity, community and purpose, and they're finding these fringe groups because they have what I call pot holes in your life journey things like trauma and abuse and mental illness that are leading them. There were those types of narratives. Are flourishing all right Christian Piccinini. Thank you so much for being here. Always fascinating. Hearing your insight. My pleasure piers. Thanks for having all right. Up next unemployment is on the decline, but as Kobe cases search across the country, will job stay put to local economists way in, but first we take a look at the weather. The US economy added nearly five million jobs in June causing the president and others to proclaim that the economy was roaring back, but that data was collected largely before the recent surge in Corona virus cases that is now forced many states to reverse some of their re opening plans so our jobs coming back. Is it safe to invest again? And his any meaningful and sustained recovery possible without first containing the virus, joining us to share their perspectives are edwards-stuart emeritus professor of economics at northeastern. Illinois University and Michael Miller professor of economics at Depaul University. Welcome back gentlemen I'm used to having you here, but it's good to see your faces in your home. Thanks for being here. and. Good evening Paris. Nice to talk to you okay same here all right good so in June. The economy added four point eight million jobs. The unemployment rate is still high, but fell to about eleven. Point one or these signs Ed Stewart that the economy is slowly rebounding. It would have been without the more recent resurgence as you said. The June employment numbers were elected in the week from June seven films teen, and since then has been the most dramatic increases in. reinfection or the infection searches in in Florida my home state of Texas Arizona. California and I'm afraid we're going to go back to higher unemployment rates in in general. My forecast is at Delie unemployment rate when it comes out, August seventh will be closer to his aim percent Mike. Miller if you as you see Florida. Texas Arizona states with lots of populations at least partially closing down some of their reopening. Do, you agree with Ed Stewart there on a possible rise in unemployment. I wouldn't be surprised, but this is such an odd business cycle, and that we have unemployment at this high, which is recessionary levels. Bad recession levels yet. There are still a job. Postings that the jolts report came out which has to do with job, openings and labor turnover, and it shows that there are there are four hundred thousand new requests for people to come work so I think we're having is part of the problem is like mismatch that some of the people who would maybe take these jobs that are open can't because they're waiting to be called back from their other jobs, so we're kind of in that limbo state. I wouldn't be surprised if it is correct that unemployment does take up percent two. Caused by the shutdown. Not. It's affecting Manufacturing it's only affecting the service sector, and it's not as fighting all of the service sector, so I'm thinking it may be only a percent or two, not three or four right? You look at sectors like restaurants hospitality at Stewart, that's also impacting low income communities communities of color, disproportionate disproportionately wh-, how how could there be a targeted sort of effort to mitigate that? You. The actual unemployment, because as you've already US beyond the finds, and or particularly concentrated in leisure and hospitality, combination and transportation. Those sectors have have at increases in output and employment over. Thirty, percent, and they're not gonNA come back. For a long time for not just reasons of. Shutdown but reasons. For people, being reluctant actor. Eaters, and travel and hotels, though the mitigation that has to happen is the mitigation of Intel. And what that requires is a continuation of the for unemployment benefits the. Stimulus checks whatever you WANNA call them at now. Out. Because the income declines are are going to be persistent, and as you pointed out Barra's the unemployment the unemployment rates the income decreases hit. Hard less skill less educated. Workers of color. And that's not gonNA. Change any time to. Eleven point one for Latinos. It's fourteen four and for black workers. It's fifteen point. Five percent unemployment for the Non College educated. The unemployment rate is closer to fifteen percent now and we'll probably stay there for quite a considerable. These ominous warning signs Mike Miller. Do you agree that the government needs to pass further stimulus including that special unemployment rate? Well, I'll tell you I I'm not one who thinks that the government. The government doesn't really always stimulate they just kind of move funds around the people who need it. But in this particular case, the government has caused this problem. The economy was as strong as any economy has ever been essentially on the first of March, and only because governments at all level from federal down to local demanded that people stop shopping that people stop working and that firm stop producing. That's when that's when this all happened and to use the old cliche. Cliche that the government broke it. It's the government's job to pay for it and fix it so I think the important thing, though this time is not to send out money to pretty much anybody who made under a certain amount of money, it has to be very targeted to those most affected, and that is exactly right. It's low income workers who have been affected the most were. The money has to many economists that say if you don't shut down, you don't get the virus under control. The long-term economic damage could be much greater. The. I think it. Is that there's no prayed off the queen. Handling, UNMITIGATING, the the virus, and having a sustained and sustainable. Economic Recovery Rest of the world united, states is kind of open file or not to deal with this is. Most of the European countries, a job of of mitigating the and reducing the spread of the virus in her now opening a consistent and national. Manner and having pretty good rebounds just today, the German increase in industrial production in June was over ten percent. They had a systematic lockdown. They had targeted. Testing tracing quarantine. National Plan. And that's something that's been done in in many countries around the world and third I'm sorry we have to leave it there for now. Ed Stewart Mike Miller. We'll have you both in just a few minutes, but we have to cut it there for now. And when they come back, we'll talk about their thoughts on Illinois and the economic outlook for the State and Chicago but I after the break, the local beneficiaries of millions in federal Cova funds so stay with us. Don't ever. Miss Chicago Tonight To our podcast get a daily download of our show delivered to your desktop or mobile device. Go to W. W. dot com slash other tonight, podcast and subscribe. Still to come on Chicago tonight. As the city mourns victims of gun violence, we talk with survivor calling for healing. The outlook for the economy in Illinois as the state cautiously reopened. I make it really a point of giving kids new supplies. How community group is using art to help children. He'll. How Youth Sports Leagues Avoid, catching the corona virus and lake, Michigan's waters are ten degrees warmer than a year ago. Why the warm up but I? Amanda Finicky and where millions and federal cove funds ended up Amanda. After Media Organization sued the trump administration released a partial list of companies and nonprofits that received more than half a trillion dollars in paycheck protection program funds the P P. P program was supposed to help small businesses struggling during the code nineteen shutdown, but millions went to some of the most popular brand names in Illinois including Brin Pizza when a beef overweigh. overweigh dairy as well as one of the biggest megachurches in the country Willow Creek, community church joining us now with more is Dan Minneapolis, and investigative reporter, for WBZ Chicago public, Radio's government and politics team in the interest of full disclosure. Some of Chicago's major nonprofits, including both of our employers Dan received P P. P funds wbz and our parent company ww. The parent W W as well as our sister station. W. F. T. radio both received more than two million dollars in P P money, so Dan with that. Thanks so much for joining us before we get further into the discussion. Can you explain what were the parameters for receiving one of these loans? And how does the government define? What constitutes a quote? UNQUOTE, Small Business The beginning of this pandemic essentially in late March Congress and President, Donald Trump approve legislation that is a come to be a half trillion dollars of four to five million businesses across the country, and the program is called paycheck protection plan, but it is. Supposed to be for small businesses. It's actually administered by the Small Business Administration and the Treasury Department. They defined a small businesses, having I'm hundred or fewer employees. Very quickly we saw that companies that were even publicly traded corporations were getting millions and millions of dollars in the money, and we also see businesses. Large and small across the country. Taking advantage of this program and getting help during this. And some of those corporations were shamed after they'd applied comes to mind pot belly, for example, said all right. We're not gonNA take the money after all others of course did one of those includes a state senator who's running to be a member of Congress himself, and that is Republican Jim over Weiss whose family Derek got five point six million dollars in a P P loan. Is. A small business and does this seem in keeping with over Weiss says political beliefs. While he considers himself free market, conservative, staunch supporter of free market principles, this is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest government intervention in the economy, your dollar amounts that you could possibly imagine again more than Apple. Trillion dollars more than I'm hundred billion dollars being spent on this program of which as you said a five point six six million ends up with over waste theory chain of ice, cream shops and Has Been. The Chairman of it is is Jim older wiser. Ranyal candidate has said offer for Congress. What has over? I said about it. So. We got a statement from over wise himself, and from the company through his campaign and what they say was. Look is just trying to avoid layoffs for his company they qualified for the program at the money and they used it entirely Louise and keep them from being laid off. They also point out that he doesn't take a salary from the company. The company is actually run by his president and CEO was. Son Joe and Dan briefly. Willow Creek Community Church has also been headlines over the years for scandals involving the metoo movement. A former pastor has resigned for that. This church has seven locations. It's a mega. Church hardly small tells about the reporting on the funds that it received a believe. We see that former pastor leading prayer right now. Yeah Willow Creek Community Church is one of the largest megachurches in the country, I think in one rating a couple of years ago it was in the top five largest churches with tens of thousands of people attending every weekend in the North West suburbs, and in other locations around the Chicago area again. They say that they use this money to keep people on staff. Prevent laying them off because they've been closed. They haven't been able to hold services at that Mega Church or any of its locations because of the pandemic. Only ten percent of the Illinois recipients were actually. In named. When are we going to find out about the other ninety percent? Possibly never on right now. The administration has given us the names of about six hundred thousand of these out of. The five million, we've gotten assistance in Illinois more than two hundred thousand companies have gotten assistance, and we know the names of only twenty seven thousand. We don't know the names of all of the recipients receive less than one hundred, fifty thousand, and we don't know the exact amounts either these are broad categories you mentioned will agree. We know they got somewhere between five million and the maximum ten million that any recipient who get what we don't know the exact amounts on. Thank you so very much Dan hopless reporter with wbz I, know we'll be following to see particularly as Congress determines whether there will be another round of money going out to businesses, large or small. Thanks so much then. End Now Paris back to you. Thanks Manda this past weekend. Police report that eighty seven people were shot seventeen killed and gun violence mayor. Lightfoot says she wants everyone to feel the loss. One person who has acutely felt this loss and the impact of gun violence is Charles, woodhouse junior a twenty five year old, who, at the age of fifteen was shot, twenty one times would house recently shared his dramatic story in an op Ed piece in the Chicago Sun Times saying that if Chicago WanNa, understand the gun violence. They have to feel him and joining us now is Charles Woodhouse Junior, a writer and podcast producer Charles Woodhouse Junior. Thanks for being here with us. All right, so you're saying the op-ed if Chicago really wants to understand the gun violence, they're gonNA have to understand you. What do you want the public to understand about you? I really want to understand process. Understand me that. I'm. One of many you know saying a story is not so unique. Than understand hostelry to understand ten thousand eight hundreds of thousands, so just understand her. People Hurt People Norton. To be a few willing to listen to people, we have been listening to us to really attacked. The gunbattles anything into nine hundred. Solution is closer to the problem that makes sense and and your story certainly involves a lot of trauma. You witnessed a murder in Auburn Gresham at eleven at fifteen. Your Shot Twenty one times, and you spent years physically recovering. You say the goal is to fix you, but not he'll you. Can you explain? What you mean by that. Big that people don't understand that the mental trauma to the. Going throughout the biggest thing was fixing my physical trauma trying to get back on my feet. Try teach myself how to walk a gay. Eat again begin, but I never really sat down and attack on my midst of state goes psychological. traumas won't do no, and that's what most of us do. We just keep going and keep going along, but is really is really tough on the brain. Since you and you say, your story is not unique. I mean this this. This is what's happening to a lot of young men and women. Tell us how the trauma manifest itself in your day to day life. I mean. I have I have problem sleeping on. I have flashbacks from time to time. I'm extremely paranoid. Stuff like that. You know, and then I got ptsd as well so those things by anxiety. Is just is is really tough and you say hurt. People hurt people. Can, you connect the trauma to the escalating? Violence or the you know the willingness to engage in violence. It's. I I. Don't know about that when I say her per people I'm really saying like. If I've seen somebody, be hurt before Nazi, and if you're used to violence, you use the on. Strike Bonds. Just because this is what you're experiencing day-to-day basis. day-to-day basis, you may have seen your brother. You know so you may have seen run cute a very young age, so you make you become very angry. Come frustrated. Come very sad, and that's not attack will depression. And when you see a weekend like we've had the last few weekends, seventeen killings on the fourth of July weekend. From your vantage point, what is causing this? I think that the biggest thing right now is the lack of. Lack of leadership on home in our communities. That's one of the biggest. That's causing me right now and also people were been really frustrated cooped up in house. So. That plays a part as well. The breaking of the you know the breaking of the weather off. This used the winning starts to get really bad any them right. There are all these factors at play here in your op Ed. You write about four calls to action. That you want public officials to take. What are those calls? For one, I think that we need to be willing to listen other no matter who we are ethnicity. Social status, no matter where you come from. That's one also put in programs that. Really there to help and not so necessarily. Prophets. But just people that are really there to help also none of thing is i. think we need to start getting people earlier. In kids earlier than just eighteen minutes. Go. We start getting them a little bit early. Also to? Move. How does being caught up in the criminal justice system like that? How does it complicate efforts at healing and and trying to move forward? For One complicated for me physically I was just paying home from a class of battery Brussels, and I couldn't even walk. I was incarcerated A. IT never is like I to from one trauma to the next I, never really had a chance to heal at all you know, and then another big thing about that is I could have been anything a word I never had before it was seventeen years old. I could have been anything no, and then at the take me recuperate Greek. No, you put into compromise situation, which more trauma I haven't figured out how to get a job now you adamy finish high school also. Mac argue obviously a lot of complications. So, what is it you have this podcast? It's really wonderful podcasts. What is it you're looking forward to do? you know once you feel like you can truly move on and build a life that you want. I really want to get the voice of those a dead like me out there, but I also want them to listen it. Alabama listen in I'm trying to get to. Once those that may have don't understand the violence understand will come from. Maybe they can get a little bit inside and understand a little bit more and also want want others. The listen understand that you know is. This is more life than where we where we're living right now. There's more. Than a block radius we are a whole big world having discount. All Right Charles you thank you so much for sharing your story with us. Congratulations on the op-ed in the PODCAST. We look forward to hearing more from you. Think we should and we're back with more on the economy amid pandemic right after this. Don't miss one of our stories get them all delivered to your desktop or mobile device with a subscription to the WTT W News daily briefing go to W. W. dot com slash daily briefing and sign up. And we're back now to focus more specifically on Illinois's economy. We're joined once again by Edward. Stewart and Michael Miller for we talk about Illinois. Mike Miller you've seen the stock market. Gain back a lot of what it lost despite the bad economy. What accounts for the discrepancy between the stock market's performance and the broader economic performance it must be people having some degree of confidence in the American economy going forward, and they don't want to miss out on the chance at the market's GonNa. Rise and there's lots of concern because the PE ratio between the price, and the earnings of the stocks are very high historically. Historically but you have to look at the market as a whole to decide if whether or not the market is over over Bader, oversold, and it seems like the stock market as a whole is pretty much in line with the way, things are and Mike Miller I'm sorry Ed Stewart, we want to talk about Illinois talk the sectors that are hardest hit here. Travel Logistics Service hospitality, those are big parts of Illinois in Chicago's economy. How is the state doing relative to the national economy? Well as a matter of fact, Euro Economic Analysis, this morning came out with the states. GDP, change in the first quarter of. Thousand and twenty and the overall, a cline for the US was five percent, and Illinois was five point two percent, so we're about the average New York. Arizona's at eight point two percent. Texas was only down by two and a half percent, and and as we were talking earlier. I, think the forecast Texas is much bleaker than it is for Illinois and Illinois will probably go along with the with the rest of the economy. Although As you as you mentioned, we're not going to recover faster, and even though I must say we. We need to give props to Governor Pritzker Aker Zeke. Hourani. For Guiding Illinois much better passing the. States, but he'll annoy can't recover faster and the United States, because we are not only a transportation hub where we're the. Convention hub. We're the cakes and cookie and chewing gum hub. And tourist. Destination as as well and obviously as states. States in the economy in. Texas Texan Florida, as they struggle in dared struggle increases. They're going to be fewer people that can do any kind of business at. This development. And it's actually the city of Chicago Thing one of one of the worst hit sector more so an accommodation and leisure and hospitality is transportation. Their jobs were down eighty percent and they haven't Albert. Okay so with all those things down Mike Miller conventions. that support so many jobs McCormick place hospitality. What's the long term for Chicago? Well. If you're going to focus only on Chicago, you'll have to also recognize it. Is Important Tech is important. Manufacturing is important, and all those had not been affected nearly as much, and we all have to remember for Illinois Hugo West of route forty seven from there until California. What you have is agriculture in agriculture is on exactly in any kind of trouble. So most of Val Annoy downstate, and so forth things growing. They should that GDP is rising as it should. So. There's no doubt that the city itself is being affected when it comes to those areas and hospitality, but this is a vibrant sector and education tech, and and healthcare, and so forth, and those things can help. Keep the system and the economy propped up to. Go ahead. In great shape and it's because of the Pan. Out sees manufacturing is not an equitable shake, either and we'll be in good shape as this spat clean i. don't like the US China over trade us. Canada and the US. and. Now the US, and the EU over over Trae, if you look at employment, and when you look at employment and manufacturing from the from the start of the pandemic was only down a total of six percent, and now it's down to only three percent I. Check the numbers this morning on Fred So. Is Not a problem. We've gained back past the jobs that we lost and that's. To take a look at the. It's rising. taught. Factors point five factors affecting these industries. What about coming foreclosure? Crisis. How big could that be and could that trigger a further recession? Mike and that's. And that's one of the reasons we need income support to middle and working blessed and and poor people. Not just benefit them, but. A landlords a see their rental payments if they if they have the money as a further. Pressing need for federal. INCOME SUPPORT FOR Low income renters all right ED store Mike Miller. We have to leave it. There might thanks to you as always. Leisure a pleasure. A Community Arts Center, is making sure kids have an outlet to express themselves as the pandemic not only limits their activities, but their resources arts correspondent Angel Edo recently took us for a visit to the nonprofit called Sky Art. Here's another look. Look? Pretty one of each Pastelle, it Brooklyn twice a week. Sky Assembles about fifty art kits, consisting of supply, such as colored pencils, sketchbooks and canvases, their hand-delivered every Friday to kids attending the community center. Go. You're welcome. Have a nice day. Sky! Arts is the only free accessible Pergamon, the whole city of Chicago, which is startling, because we're so isolated on the far southeast side, but that means that on any given day. If a child shows up at that door and they're of the right age seven. Up to twenty four. And wants to participate in our programs. They just come in. Some kits encourage creativity and others are created specifically for the centers art therapy sessions, which are also free art is generally a therapeutic practice, and it's a stress relief, but art therapies a little different, obviously someone administering it is an art therapist and they've had years of practice in development and assessment skills. It also has to do with materials us, so if someone is suffered trauma, you have more restricted materials like pencils paper as opposed to loose materials like clay. Or Watercolor Ward has found it to be a productive method to help kids get out how they're feeling and ways. They wouldn't and regular conversation, so I decided to have my own therapy session to get a better understanding of how it works. Art can be really great way of them to communicate what's going on and so the first thing I might do with someone in an art therapy session is kind of get an idea of where they're living, so I would say if you're a bird and you were looking down on your house in the roof was up. On it you draw me what your house looks like and where you sleep. For go ahead. This is my friend door. So you can, and you can go while sense. So this would be my. Grandmother's room. So this would be her bed. All of those things in five minutes learned more about you than you know I just close to my therapist and six months right, and so it gives you an idea and a starting point. To kind of talk about everything. Yeah, because it was interesting like when you asked me just like in the House with the. whow it's Kinda. I was like now. That's not a personal question, but that's really a question where you have to think about is something that I want to share or do i. feel comfortable sharing. Yeah. Ward and her team are currently working to provide therapy to seventy children over the course of five weeks from that point shall decide if the children need counselling elsewhere or can begin group art sessions at the center. Worth says she's grateful to provide a resource that helps start important conversations with. Four Chicago tonight I'm angel, Edo, Nick. Now. If you're interested in art kits Sky Yard also offers curbside pickup, plus the art center now has six therapists offering art therapy to their students, and now back to Amanda Finicky and some more summer activities for kids in the age of Covid Amanda. Paris after a long spring spent indoors. Many kids are ready to get back outside to play their favorite sports, but the ongoing pandemic needs this year. The boys and girls of summer are practicing social, distancing along with catching and hitting joining us to talk about how they're getting kids back in the game. Safely are Brian Drum. He's head coach of Elmhurst. Water Polo in the Western. Western suburbs Ross Kerr President of the Wells Park, Parents Association, which runs baseball and softball leagues on the North Side and Lafontaine Stewart executive, director of Lost Boys, INC, which runs baseball and softball leagues on the South Side. Thanks to each of you for joining us. Let's begin with you, Levante. Why do you believe that it is important to get kids back into the game? Greg question, Amanda and I'm sure Brian Ross chip being on that but I. Think the biggest thing is just bad lack of contact and mentor ship that children receive from coaches I mean it goes a very long way in their development, and so thank just that connect from coaches, and from their teammates, and from this network is important to get him back out as as we have a well, and you're in Chicago where unfortunately we have seen a lot of violence particularly with use. Do you talk about that as well as they actually athletics? Yeah absolutely I mean follow boys. We're in the heart of a in south shore right, and and this is the reason we started. As part of our mission is predicated on violence prevention as using the power sport for social change, so yeah in in in his home very much for us so right now it's like It's even if you look at it from a business perspective. This is one where most needed whenever upticks like this. Ross car. Lot of people are very nervous of course for good reason with covert nineteen. So how did families in your league react to coming back into the game? Certainly. We've seen reactions across the spectrum. As you would imagine, it's A. It's an emotional time for all of us. And what we've tried to do is make sure we've given parents and families opportunities to be comfortable whether that's topped out of the season or to understand what we're doing to make sure that we got a return to save play in place for families that are going to participate we, we see it across the board, but for the most part people are excited to be out there. And they believe we're doing the right things to get them in a position to to be safe and enjoy the. Brian from water polo is a contact sport difficult one at that, so you've had to take a different approach than some of these sports where there's natural social distancing. How can you describe what you're telling? These young athletes? Well You know safety is our. Number, one concern especially during these times so we have. We have some rules in place as they show up for practice, we take temperatures. Are we walk through possible symptoms with each kid a way to enter the facility Distance way in that once they're on deck. They can put their bags. They separate their bags. And, then once they're in the pool. I'm Fred for actual practice You know there's a lot of the. There's a lot of opportunity to still work out water polo It's still develop skills and have fun, but be socially distanced through playing catch catcher, working at individual skills with throw balls and things like that, so modified program we do have a list of the practices that have been adopted by the lost boys. This season in those include maintaining distance between players know sharing of Equipment P., p., e. for all coaches, and for those players know parents are allowed in the stands end of voiding. Contact physical contact that is including no high fives. No handshakes Levante Stewart. How do you talk to your players? About the importance of following these guidelines their their use their kids. They want to give five hives. Yeah I is and you know we find Amanda. The difficulty of course is in that age range, so it was only kids, thirteen fourteen and into team program. It's a little easier to maintain smaller kids that they get younger, you know we really questioned. we've is being right for us so first consideration is always the safety of the kids and the parents we believe in community spread, and we believe that you know we had these uptakes and was say now across. The country is a big part of community. Community spread, and you know is really real, so we what we've done is we've kind of looked at our budget? We move stuff around, and we hired a covert officer, so we converted our chief umpire into a covert office. We've been training them all and you know on the recommendations from CDC from Governor Pritzker from the city, and so we've got all of these materials and building onsite procedure, so just like Brian. Kidd their temperatures and shaved and we got a number of staff spaced out to kind of. Keep control of the situation as much as possible, so we're really proud to their. They've done really well. Zafar these first two weeks to adhering to the rules, so not not just calling balls and strikes, but also calling get that mascot. Three feet. Brian Drum? Do you think that kids that context sports can other contact sports that is can adopt an approach similar to yours that kids can stay active curling these nice summer months. I think that it's you know it takes some creativity and it takes transparency between. The organization and the families so that they know what they're getting into when they have an idea of what each practice or game will look lake but not I certainly think that it's. It's definitely something that most tall sports could handle Ross car. What are your plans? Should a COVID nineteen infection arise? We have similar to what. Brian and said we've We've taken a look at how we handle these situations, both from getting everybody prepared to properly socially distance and then. There is a particular case that arises which actually we've had a few ready to handle that We've got a protocol in place. That really is guided on three principles. The first one is being conservative. We gotta make sure that the safety of not only the individual affected is is taking care of those that have been around. The second guiding principle was communication so making sure that those were then a part of other the team, the practice group participant participant in a game with that particular player is made aware that there was a case and then the finalist privacy at the end of the day. We're dealing with people's health. It's not our right or are a our ability to share information about who that individual was, but just making sure that. That the teams know that there was somebody impacted, and here's the steps that we're taking in. We then look at it. Was that individual? They're affected Are they obviously positive for covid nineteen? That's the case. Here's the steps they need to take in terms of getting testing quarantining, and when they can safely come back, and there's a series of steps we have associated with that, and if it was somebody that was maybe indirectly. Impacted by it, meaning they aren't directly infected with cove nineteen. They've been around somebody that was whether to step. What are the steps they need to take? Other coach player in getting tested being sure they've got a negative result doing all the same things before they return to either practice and play with their team well. Thank you so very much to each of you that all the time that we have. Do you want to add that rest her? You actually served on the governor's committee that helped steer guidelines to safely introduce sports in these guidelines that each of you have been adopted. Stay safe, say well and play ball. Thanks so much now you so much. A by. And now Peres back to you. Thanks Amanda Remember that feeling of jumping into Lake Michigan getting a jolt from the cold water. Well, assuming the lake, this summer may feel a bit more like a bath. Thanks to water temperatures that are ten degrees warmer than last year. Joining us now to tell us more is W.. T. W. News, reporter, Patty Whitley Patty great to see you as always. So exactly. How much warmer is Lake Michigan this year over last year? surface temperature in any to be cleared. Surface temperature is about seventy two point five degrees and the last couple years. It's actually been hovering closer to sixty four degrees this time of year, so that's pretty significant jump. Usually takes me about twenty minutes to slowly get used to the water before I can immerse myself. So what's behind this? Is it only Michigan or is all the great, lakes, experiencing warmer temperatures at the surface well, yes, since we're talking about surface temperatures, they're affected a lot more by the air temperature. Obviously, and we've been having a really warm summer. I think I heard today that twenty out of the last twenty one days have been warmer than normal, so that's really heated up the surface of the water as well as the fact that the air is really moving i. I think we can all attest to. It's pretty stagnant out there, so all of the Great Lakes are experiencing warmer temperatures. Even Lake Superior is probably fifty shit, instead of fortyish and speaking a bath water that would be Lake Erie, so you want. Ciro jolt go to Lake Eerie, but you're still need a wetsuit for lake. 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"Fit. Into this week's episode of the insider. In fact, this season of the insider because right now we're in the middle of episode one of season for now, my guest today has over one million subscribers on Youtube Eight, hundred, thirty, thousand followers on instagram. He won IBM after just doing magic the three years went onto win phys them. Then America's got talent. Then America's got talent the champions he has incredible hair it's the one the only Shin Lim Xin how are you this afternoon? Thank you so much for having me. I'm good. I'm how are you I'm delightful. Thank you. But. It's a short podcast. We haven't got time for pleasantries was your origin story. You've got twenty three seconds. I was shown the slip force. I'm sure you know what? That is a an older brother and he said Oh yeah. You can actually learn that online at the time. I thought magic was this thing where you had to have some sort of special power that had no that anyone could learn. And so that really surprised me and also intrigue me and that's what got me upset and that was the very first trick was the Slip Force? That's a good. It's good. A million subscribers on youtube I have one question. Do you read the comments? Yeah of course I, read the commerce. Yeah, I. Mean It depends I mean recently yes. I've been able to read the comments. A lot more because obviously have a lot more free time. But every now, and then I mean social media just in general has always been. This thing that I knew I had to do. But it's obviously not something that I'm. Obviously pursuing like full-time, it's not it's not my main career. Yeah. But I guess winning film was really what brought you into the attention of of most magicians including our very own Joshua J.? Who is one of the judges here? Why did you enter it and how did you prepare? So I I knew about physical when I saw. Shawn Farquhar when schism I saw his his ambitious. Carterton ugly even even though it wasn't really. Wasn't the typical ambitious carpet was all done to music shape of my heart that's what And it was it was really really beautiful and and it was just a car trick. Because at the time I, think I had known Lance Burton one fits them. You know when I first started magic when I went to his team seminars and so I kind of knew about it but I didn't know that close guys could also compete and win. And then when I saw Shawn Farquhar with with with the card trick, it was very inspiring for me. That's like okay. I knew that you know those a category where you could do just cards and at the same time, there's a possibility of actually doing. So that's that was when I made that decision. And how did you prepare? What was the process from going right? I'm going to enter his him to yeah standing on the stage. So I think Sean one in two, thousand, nine in Beijing I believe I think that was the one he wants. So I those around then that I start already had an act. That competed in. IBM and stuff like that a coup. second-place top six or something like that, and now it's like, okay. Maybe I'll just keep working on this act and so it was that same act that I'd Computer Ibm Sim's and just cut working at it kept tweeting here and there most it's called the Dream Act along with this the and that's it wasn't like that at the time it's evolved throughout drought time and then eventually became the the accident everyone seemed today but yeah, I mean the process was just a lot of tweaking and a lot showing my friends family I obviously, that isn't enact that you do at a restaurant table. Hop. suspense not something that you can just kind of do shows and sorry restaurant Magic to the kind of. Get practice on it it was hard to find a venue to build a practice that but I think. I got lucky in some in some senses because I actually competed in Two Thousand Twelve Ism Blackwell and I didn't I didn't place at all but. It was from that from the time that Mike Miller. He saw me and he kind of brought me to to China to do like a China tour and there was about thirty cities. Think it was sixty shows or something like that, and it was the first time ever that I've got the opportunity to actually just perform that again and again and again. It because usually before I always just performed for my friends at competitions stuff like that. Will you have the time? The anoma close up magician would have. Right. Right. And so and so it was a really good experience and I think that was one of the turning points for me it. Really. took it to the next level I think because it really helped me be able to figure out everything about stage presence everything about how to connect to the audience through the camera. I learned a lot about a lot. So that was that was really good. I'm being original is clearly really important to you. Why do you think that's important? I've always just wanted to do things differently assigning every time I So I always tell people I, never create out of nothing I always created from from a classic or things that have always been done beforehand, and when I every time I buy DVD or by trick I don't know why ever since I just started magic. For whatever reason I would never listen to instructional detoro. So I would always watch it as how the method is done at the by would refuse to replicate it. I would always try to figure out a different way of doing it and you can kind of see it actually on my social media. So I tend to post tricks that in other people create on my instagram and stuff like that. We always noticed that there's always some sort of twist to it or I always change it or tweet. That's just how I learn magic. I learned by watching how it's done. And I will actually never ever. Do it exactly how they teach it out always trying to make in terms of methods performance usually, it's performance usually performance methods usually the same. It's pretty close I would always just change the performance and handling. Do. You think creativity can be studied can be learned and if so how does somebody listening to this wants to be more creative stall that? I definitely. Think that creativity is something that you can train your mind to think in a different way. However, there is a fine line of of. A training your mind to be creative. The like doing what I did, which is tweaking trick or I know a lot of people do Eric Johns, stuff they what they do is they would read the effect. Of like in a booklet say they wouldn't look at the methods and they would try to guess the method then they end up coming with the different way of accomplishing that same effect. So I know magicians do that. I. Don't I don't do that at all I, go the opposite way I I see the method I tried to change the effect but So there's a fine line between doing that type of practice because that is a brain muscle that. You kind of practice and then also realizing that creativity sometimes just has to let it come naturally can always force it and the best idea usually just come out of nowhere and so it's it's it's. So it's you got to kind of figure out how to juggle the two because I've noticed the times when I come up with the worst ideas is when I'm like, okay, guys, let's all sit together and then let's all just try to create a new. What's you get a bunch of your friends to sit down onto unlike a little. Meeting Table For example have little drawing board like okay. Let's just plan this are GONNA do. Yeah because that's it's not an okay. So from two o'clock to three, we're going to try to create by it just doesn't it doesn't look like that. At least from my experience. I in part of the research for this Os watching some interviews with you because I don't like asking the same questions that you always get asked but. You set the really care about magic. Why do you cast a much? Because I love. It. I love everything about magic and it's it's it's the for me because I have studied. Piano might also studied film I. I do I do a lot of different Types of artsy things and magic is that only type of art form when it comes to theater It's it's a rare art form where you get to communicate with the audience, you the fourth wall. But at the same time, there are moments where you can also make it look like play look like a ballet dance and have the these musical moments are like have David Copperfield moment where it's also music and it's very grand but then you can immediately get out of that and go into a moment where you're making the audience. Laugh you're communicating directly with them your brain on up on stage and it's it's it's it's such A. A random type of performance, there's just so many things to it. You're acting you're doing sleight of hand. You're you're juggling juggling with your hands and your you have to you have to have powder. You have to have atmosphere you have everything, and so it's actually. It's really difficult. It's difficult to be good at magic. I think anyone can be a magician right? You can buy invisible decade districts do the trick, but in order to. To, do it well into good it's actually really difficult because there's so many parts to magic. There's. There's music there's acting there's Had Her and stage presence everything also props knowing how to design your own props. And then at the end of the day You have your own style, each magician. Know I their shows likely illusionist. illusionist like that And a Lotta, the tight end don't get me wrong. A Great Dinner Party wishes to the their company but sometimes it Kinda of some, some of the because they have so many different types of. Shows and some of them do fall flat and the only reason why is because the director? Feels like they they know the magician, right? They're treating the magicians almost like dancers or jugglers and they're like, okay, you all your all do this type of style. You're all going to wear these clothes or whatever, and and so the problem with that is that because magicians are so unique, each magician is unique to their own style. Dancing Juggling acrobats it's different you. They can accommodate like like circus lay they can accommodate two to whatever style the director wants to do it. You know but with magicians it's totally different or or for example, if I were to try to fill a magician's act I actually wouldn't know exactly which angle to get unless I actually studied his act whereas like a Ballerina for example, she was filming another Ballerinas Act Shannon she was doing no because the belly all I'm GonNa do this this this Okay I immediately know where's the magician? There's so many nuances. Oh, my my top. It's here. It's to my left instead of right or actually leaving instead of doing this. There's so many nuances that. That that magicians tend to just make because we all just make this ourselves and we tweak it to our personality and I think that's what makes it so unique and that's why I love it so much it's because it's just so different. Very Long Answer. Has has your opinion on the magic community changed in recent years since he became more kind of public housing. Now it's it's actually been sank. Hasn't changed. I think it's I've always been A. I feel like I. Love I love. The community community is obviously there's a lot of drama that kind kinda goes on everywhere but it's still. So with any art for I think magicians though do you tend? To focus a lot on the drunk But but that you know that all side. I think it's it's. It's. It's still it's still it's still the same I. Hope it I. Hope There's A. I don't know I. Hope There is. Something that. Changes Magic but for the better still waiting on the I don't know what it is But I just want to take it to the next level. You know I want to be kind of even more. So why widely? Accepted by the world So I'm not too sure what it is. I've recently especially been thinking about this. I don't know it's just a weird thought in my head. When you're. Out with. Friends. What kind of tricks do you do because? Obviously, you can't sit there and Music, and get some devices and. Thing. What? To dinner in different says Oh show you. What what do you do? Yeah I usually just so so I have I have like obviously have a group of friends are all magicians. Recently majority of them are all magician. So I'm always just either jamming on ideas like, okay. How does this look that I flashed? Before when I, you know when I was in high school and stuff like that I would just do regular dislike handcart tricks. I had a phase where I would you know do know Monica and stuff like that. Have a really bad memory. So On Monica already like it's it's terrible. It's it's like I wish I could do no Monica be honest I just keep forgetting Memorize it, and if I don't remember, is it within the next week? I forget it. A very bad memory. That's the only downside. Music. Really. Important. Partner Metric What did you think it's important and how do you select the music that you use? Music's really important for me. I. Mean I guess it obviously because I come from a music background I studied classical. I I was majoring in Canada performance as well. So I think. You know when I first started magic. It was kind of thing. It was a funny reason I said I was like I was like, okay. I'm going to have music in my ex because I don't want to waste. The amount of practice and knowledge of music that. Since I started resolving all the way to eighteen. I don't WanNa waste that opportunity my parents that so much money on it I just WanNa. Make use of. So that was that was actually initial idea. But then I think. Let time. Went on I realized music was such an important piece of everything. It really affected the the whole overall I really believe fifty percent of my axe because without the music it just it's not very good. I I use the music for Misdirection, use the music for obviously atmosphere. I use the music for to play with people's emotions throughout the act and and I also use it for justification. You know, let's say I need to specifically. A move my hand this way. Or. I. Need to do this gesture in order to have to take people's attention away so that I can think he got here. So it's it's. It's stuff like that but usually it would take talking misdirection for hey, look over here since instead I use music for for that and also like it helps covers, you know loud noises. Let's say I, have gimmick that makes a loud noise music great that just less than that. Hence, why you notice is really loud music. So that's that's actually one of the. But But yeah, and also you know timing to synchronizing is also very cool. It's fun to do is not is not easy it's quite difficult, but it's totally worth it. and. I kind of view. So when I what I'm being close up magic I I'm almost seeing myself like a stage magician, a lot of influence from stage magicians in that sense where you know when you see stage magic, it's usually done all to music. So it's Kind of just mixing. Those two John Together the unhappy select. Had you respect? Hello. Yeah. So I have a holistic music that I like and just say it's on my phone and then so what I do is whenever I have a new idea for trick I have these range of music and I know like kind of around like what type of atmosphere what type of rhythm it has and so then I kind of like combined. Together see if it works, it doesn't throw back Liz I grab another song ends. That's usually how it works. But the in order for the song to be in that little list is very tough because I'm very picky with what songs I like and It tends to the songs as well need to be to have a certain type of flow they tend to need to crescendo upwards throughout all throughout and Because I feel like magic in general kind of needs to have the earliest might my magic needs to have this type of? Gradual increase in terms of either magical nece or Intensity. Actual show I'm. During your clear magic is there something that you wish that you? Done differently. Had not done at all. Yeah Probably not released so much tricks when I was younger. I. Wish I wish I had held that off. But. I got I, got so into like releasing products. That that I just. I don't know. I. I really. I. Really enjoyed like like putting my name out there but. At the same time, I just I wasn't mature enough. So I think that's the one thing I wish I could change especially when I was younger. other than that. Not. Not Too much. Not Not not too much outside I. Think everything else. I'm pretty happy with what I did. Plenty. You use a mixture of kind of crazy hard move monkey slights and pretty heavy gimmicks and a lot of additions either in the slang camp or the Gimmick camp right what why did you decide to embrace both of those? I'm so glad you asked that question. Because it's such an important I think that is kind of. That because I think like I think it was like ten years ago or something especially when and Dave came out. So many people got into just pure sleight of hand and I'm one of them I used to be a purist. I used to hate gimmicks anything to do with non irregular that even just using a duplicate card I was like Nah it's gotta be. Pure fifty two playing cards and I started using gimmicks when my carpal tunnel actually came in CARPAL tunnel both both of my hands and then And so started started being very difficult for me to practice obviously sleight of hand because it takes practice like eight to ten hours a day on a certain slight I wanna get it down really well and so. I guess it was. A blessing in disguise kind of because I. Then I, then I was like a manic some of these stuff like I can't really do anymore and and I wanted to still. August. Do Magic I still wanted to have more my repertoire at that time. All I knew was ambitious car twisting the aces French kiss I just knew a couple of a Hendrix and then knowing that I needed if I wanted this to be a career I needed to have just a longer period. Of Magic in general so. I decided I started researching gimmicks and learning about flat cards and elastic thread visible thread all these all these different things in magnets. And I started realizing I said, wow, this is actually pretty. This is pretty cool stuff. This is in a way. This is almost like. It's almost like sleight of hand, but it's like sleight of gimmicks. It's like even trying to figure out how to build a gimmick in itself is an art form. And that's I. Think I found that fascinating. So it was it was a very. It's a very interesting transition for me becoming purist which I used to be, and then accepting gimmicks not because I I did it was it was by accident because of my my aunt, my carpal tunnel in and knowing that I couldn't continue just doing hardcore sled hand all the time. however I do I, do have a thing. I think. There's also you know there's a lot pierce for slaughter. But then there's also a lot of people that only do just gimmick magic and it's very obvious that that's all they do just gimmick magic. They hold the thing in place and in the they get ready for the change and then they let go and it changes magically and so. I think. I think if both sides actually you know just kind of mixed a little bit it becomes quite amazing. It really does it changes it really changes the game. So I do recommend if you're you're heavy gimmick guy or if you're heavy purists to just try implementing both. Your Gimmick Guide tried learning sleight of hand. If you're a slight of hand guy tried making some Gimmicks, you might actually find joy in doing it and at the same time, it really adds flavor to. To your to your magic. It was some magicians you rate that people might not be too familiar with, and then we can put some instagram shantytowns in the nets. Sure. Yeah. while Yon Free share remember when I. saw him as at two thousand, twelve blackpool out to me I thought that boasts for the first time ever because I had known a lot of magic it's obviously. I thought I witnessed real magic when I saw his when when he was making the cubs in the balls vanished I was like what what is going on because I I don't know if I want to stay here I won't set by didn't know that. The technique of. Interested candidates into this is fun. Okay. Yeah. So I didn't know that I didn't know the I was very familiar with lapping she'll end and so for me I was like, Hokey the cards are the the cubs involve actually music mixed mixed with his personality and character it was just it took it to the next level. So his I remember his phys AMAC was one of the most impactful like visually I'll probably remember for the rest of my life you know. That that moment in Blackpool. couple of other magicians that that. are very influential of jean-pierre Ballerina sides act on Youtube when. He was younger and close up magic but all all silent, not speaking at all making amazing things appear and disappear and. He he was. He was also very influential to look at. Tommy wonder I really really like watching stuff to and then some of the newer guys you know David Sousa. Stage manipulator I really you know his his magic really great bills more of his character and persona and use very slow and I? Think that was what really. I really like that. You know because. At the time we see a lot of the Special Jeff McBride and he's amazing fast producing cards fast. But when I saw David Susan that was like the first time I saw a stage manipulator that was going very slowly elegantly and I said, wow, I wanna be like that and so I got a lot of actually in terms of movement in terms of style even color like what I wear was actually influenced from David Sousa. Talking of other magicians. Tom Elder field if any good ideas for questions. He said to ask you is your favorite British magician at your wedding. Tunnel. Vision you. Spoil it for everyone. But talking of young additions like Tom you'll. You'll now like responsible man you're inspiring future generations of magicians to take up the out for those that might be listening to this podcast. Who got into magic because of you What vice you gives them. Yeah. I mean if well, actually Yeah. I. Mean. The advice I would keep keep doing magic first of all because. It's it's if you guys stopped that's the end of it. You know you guys have to keep doing. You have to keep spreading it. You have to keep showing people magic you have to keep. Thinking of new ideas There's there's so much. So many things to talk about I mean just talking about the whole thing about purists sleight of hand impure, Gimmick. If you are pure S- out there a highly recommend try learning Gimmick gimmicks try learning sleight of hand you gotta mix together because. You're almost kinda handicapping yourself. You know when when you're only choosing to do just curious slight of hand you're it's almost like I don't know driving a car without a turbo. Do something like that. You know you gotta gotTa just you have to experiment and. Don't be afraid to fail. That's that's another big tend to tell people because you gotta just. You GotTa always just take risks and just try try try try now onto a very exciting online live event experts at the called tasteful happening on October the twenty fifth it features Jason England Element. Josh and Andy and you. What can people expect you learn from at the events? Adam. Are we going to need cutting and exact? Moment Although I would love I would love to teach that. But I decided to just go with some sleight of hand and it's very focused on the long the to pop. So I'm focusing on tricks that require a knowledge on that and teach a control and change along to. It'd be people haven't seen. You said be requires knowledge. If that, you're going to be teaching the pommel people going to need to come in. I mean, it'll. It'll help if you. It'll help if you know along student pump and I will be going over it. But I, I know it is. It's quite A. Strange to kind of get comfortable with so so they can. They can stop brushing up on that now and then get the my lectures. Visits. Looks like that. See sneaky peak. I'm looking forward to about the event. Just, sharing the ideas I think no one's no one's seen these before. So hope people like people like it. I've never taught it to anyone. Forever. So this'll be the first time that the became. Exclusives. Performing in Vegas been the dream and if so, what's what's next? Working. While I'm I've been working it's been tough. It's been. It's especially during the virus has been tough to kind of wrap your head around everything even trying to be created this kind of tough at time to however that is the ultimate goal is to changing the show we want to change your showing WanNa, make it better. And 'cause before I was actually performing in someone else's theater it was terry failures theater so we actually couldn't really do anything creatively you are very restricted it was almost it was almost like we're doing tour show right and he's lateen rig and exactly all his lighting everything even his screw. So but now Terry Terry's is contracts over with the Mirage and so. Now. I'm able to to make changes and so I'm very excited to. See. we was in the House with full quick fire questions Shimmy your favorite movie. To be inception but I think. Excite now. Oh. Okay. Pizza topping. Ham. Favorite person or people. Who Make Music. and. Finally, who would you rather fight? One hundred tiny Joshi with Jay's or one massive Andi Gladwin Having one hundred Josh Ajay's. Thank you so much for giving us your time yourself to appreciate. Everybody. Listening we'll be looking forward to joining you live are experts at the card table. Thank you very much indeed. Thank you so much.

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Ep. 70: Garrett Smithley (RWP)

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Ep. 70: Garrett Smithley (RWP)

"Right now, it's out with the old and in with the extended spring sale as in in with incredibly fast reliable internet, powered by Cindy, s by it's out with the old and in with the simple easy. Awesome. Click call or visit today. Restrictions apply. Not available in all areas. Actual speak very. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the racing writers podcast. I'm your host Kelly. Crandall this episode seventy and Garrett Smith Lee as the guest, I always enjoy talking to garyk. He so well-spoken and does a great job interacting with the media. And just has a great personality. Some happy to have him back on the podcast, and this podcast is centered more on racing for those who have stuck around and Ben fans of the podcast for awhile. You know that I had Garrett on quite a while ago. But we got to know Garrett, and we talk more about personality stuff in who he is where he came from how he got into racing. So this episode as you'll hear me talk about when Garin I get going is going to focus more on the here. Now in the present what's going on with him and JD motor sports. Garrett of Corfe drives the number nothing the zero for JD motorsports in the series. So we're gonna talk all about the xfinity series as well as his ride in the Cup series. When he makes a few starts for spire motor sports and just everything going on in his life right now. We again, you're going to hear this in the podcast. We talked going into Talladega. Which was last weekend. This podcast is now coming out after the expenditure race at Dover. So since that time Garrett has finished twelfth at Talladega. He was twenty third over the weekend at Dover and a sixteenth in the points. And all of that is going to be very important because you'll hear him talk in the podcast about what is good day for JD motor sports and also about the play offs and right now being sixteenth in the point. He's right there. He can see the playoffs. And I will let him tell you whether or not that is something he is thinking about. So a great episode this week once again, thanks to Garrett newly turned Twenty-seven-year-old, again, wonderful guy does a great job with what he's given a great personality does a lot within media puts himself out there and just want to be around. So enjoy the podcast. Let's get right to it. This episode seventy of racing artist podcast with Garrett Smith Lee. Garrett Smith Lee, you are back on the podcast. Did you enjoy it last time? Absolutely. Okay. So we're going to change it up. We're gonna talk racing. Now. Last time, we got to know you. We talked all about family. We had some really fun discussions about. I think what plays and drama and all that. And how you got in racing. So now, let's talk racing. First off what does it as we talk going into Talladega? You have four top twenty finishes your average finishes twenty one point five driving for JD motorsports. So just kinda sum up. How's it been going? The first what is almost two three months of the season. A kind of already lost track of everything. And of course, coming off an off weekend. That's always difficult because you're out of loop for a week, and especially because nobody was racing. So had a much needed off week. But no it's been it's been really really good started off decent at Daytona that I think everybody was surprised at how the race Daytona. We had our plan which is what we do at every plate race. Just. Try to hang out and wait for the wrecks. And of course, nothing happened. So, but you know, since then we've we've had some some really good runs. We've had you know, top twenty speed pretty much every week. And that's really what we're looking for. If we have top twenty speed right now, if we're not in the top twenty and honestly, we're getting to the point where if we're not in the top fifteen as speed-wise, we're we're kind of disappointed, which is a good thing, which which means that we're building and we're going in the right direction. So it's it's been it's been a good season. We're sitting I think eighteen points right now. And I think my rookie season we finished eighteenth in points. And we're only two points behind sixteenth. So really knock off few positions. And we'll be like right there for the for the playoffs. So it's it's been good so far. All right. So top twenty speed you hit on that. I wanted to ask. What's a good day for your team? I mean, obviously, we're not talking. You're not in a JJ our car, you're not Christopher bell. So you're not out there winning races. So on your end of the spectrum. What's a good day? What's a good finish? Yeah. I think I mean top twenty I think that's what we shoot for nowadays. We're on a little bit different scale. So in the past, you know, say twenty top twenty five was maybe a top ten top twenty was a was a top five. And then you know, anything more than that to win. So I think that scales just kind of improved a little bit. So now, if we're running top twenty for us, that's the top ten for us, if we're running, you know, if we've finished fifteenth fifth-place finish if we get top ten or better, it's a win. So that's just kinda how we have to have our mentality. You know, obviously there's some opportunity races at the plate tracks for us. I actually just watched some film from Talladega from last year and we were running like third for like twenty five thirty laps just on feel feel strategy. And if it if it had gone green, we had a shot to win the thing. So you know, those are opportunity races for us. But you know, we we manage our expectations. But we also want to keep improving, and you know, we saw what roster last year in the four car, and we want to emulate that a little bit Ross made the playoffs last. Year. Of course, he was also in that can ask are you mentioned the playoffs a minute ago. Is that something you guys think you realistically can do or you? You're aiming for that. I mean, we're we set our goals high. But we're also realistic about it looking at you know, how everything is shaking out looking at how somebody like a Ryan Sieg is running this year. I mean, everybody has seen that. And you know, they've obviously done their homework, and they've they've improved quite a bit think with the resources and their personnel. So looking at him even Ross in the four car our number one car JD motorsports. He really hasn't been able to compete within this year. So I think he's probably if it keeps going the way it's going he's gonna fill that last spot. But it's a long season. We still have a long way to go. There's a lot of different things that can happen. If if some of those guys have some issues, I mean seeks run so good. But it could all come crashing down. He could blow motor five races in our own all of a sudden, we're right there. So it's something that we'd like to see happen as of right now. Things keep going the way they're going probably not going to happen. But we're still going to do everything that we can really control what we can control. And that's all we can do it gives you guys something to aim for. You know, maybe some something to strive for and keep guys motivated. So Ryan sit. I mean, Ryan you mentioned that that thirty nine they have been off to a phenomenal start. I think they haven't finished worse than than twelfth. So far this year. Is that something obviously, you guys are paying attention to is that something the rest of the garage. Maybe on urine gets everybody's attention of hate. These guys are doing something. Right. It's it's possible. For us type of thing has it taken the garage by notice I think so I think I think you have to. I mean, he he had I wanna say it's the stat that he hasn't finished worse than like twelfth or eleventh or something I believe it's twelve he hasn't finished worse than twelve. He's he's competing with some really really good cars up there. I mean, he wanna stage at Texas. I think all the teams that aren't Cup affiliated half to look at that. And have to see that as cable these guys are doing it. Obviously. There's a lot of resources going in. And I think I think he's talked about publicly about just some of the personnel changes. Some of the things I think, you know, some of the help that they've gotten from our CR and things like that. I believe they bought a couple of car old cars are CR. Yeah. I know Shane Wilson is down there Milton. Shane is a former Cup crew chief at our. I mean he's won races. He's not he's not. He's no slouch in this sport. I think that's one thing. That's always under a smidge as the personnel. And the people that you have worked on these cars, if you don't have good people, you could have all the all the resources resources in the world. But if you don't have the right equipment or the right people that it's not going to you know, what I'm telling, you know, I'm trying to say it is gonna work. It's all about people. Right. This sport is all about people we constantly hear drivers talk about what the guys back to the shop. And and teams crew chiefs owners always try to make sure that people give recognition to the guys who put so much work in these cars. So that's exactly to your point. It's all about people. If you have smart people working. Racecars that goes a long way does and you can take a lot. You can make a lot a little go a long way. I mean, you really can. And we're fortunate JD motorsports. We have some really really good people that are working on our stuff. Bryan Bury's been around for a long time. He's my crew chief. Paul clap rod a few years ago when Ross's ruin that sixty six truck for Bolander sports and had that stringer really really good runs in the truck series. He was working on that truck. We've marked Setzer down there wing care. We've got some really good crew chiefs, and the guys that are working on our cars have been working on them for, you know, say you know, three or four years and that longevity and those guys that are familiar with our cars, I mean, you can take somebody from say Penske or Gibs or or Hendrick and bring them over there to JD motorsports. But it's not always going to click right away because it's a completely different deal. So these guys are familiar with these cars, they know what it takes to make these things work. And I think that says a lot too. That's a good segue because I wanted to talk a little bit about JD motor sports in general. You guys are based in South Carolina. Jeff Gaffney, South Carolina Gaffey, peach, mafia, absolutely, do you know, how many employees is over there in that shot because you guys are small operation. I believe it's it's about twenty five to thirty that are working in the shop, and that's everybody. So Johnny also has some other things that he does some classic car stuff and some guys that just work in the shop just on his on his side, not necessarily the racing side. So probably I would say on the on the highest side, maybe maybe thirty people total as far as the people that come to the track. We have again on the high side maybe four guys on each car. And I know seeing some of those big teams have what six seven or eight guys just on one car. So we are spread thin as far as personnel. But again, we don't operate as four teams we operate as one team that everybody touches all the cars in there. And we all tried to work together to get these cars prepared, you know, especially like, you know, the west coast swing. It's hard on those guys because we take, you know, the haulers leave after Atlanta we go back to Gaffney get everything ready and they have to leave pry twos. Today to head to Vegas. Well, those haulers will not come back together any until after California after the third race. So that weighs pretty heavy on those guys and a lot of them stay out all three weeks or all two weeks. Whatever it ends up being. So the guys guys are important. They're those personnel that we have worked on these things are really important and they work hard. They work so hard along the lines of what you'd said about doing a lot with a little I wanted to get like shed some insight for all of us on JD motorsports. You've been there for a little bit. Now, it's a small operation. You just talked about how the mindset is not four teams. It's one. So what else can you share with us or or or tell people about this organization and how things work over there? How how you guys make it work? Honestly, I've been racing for Johnny. This is my fourth fulltime season with him. And I've talked to people I've talked to Dr Johnny himself. I've talked to everybody I've talked to people inside and outside the organization. And we're really honestly still not sure how Johnny does it with the resources because you know, we're not bringing what we need to be bringing to make these cars go on the racetrack. I mean, if if there's a blank car, if there's you know, four red cars that's coming out of Johnny's pocket. There's no money on those cars there has been times where one for all of them have been blanked. Yeah. Yeah. And that's just I think that's a testament to Johnny's dedication to the sport. I mean, he's been in it for thirty plus years. He'll tell you. He's done everything on a team that you could do except for Dr. I think he said he tried that once and he's never gonna do that again. So so I think it's a testament to to him as a leader and to him as somebody that's been in the sport. And understand the sport understands how to make make these things go and make this team successful. You know, we're not out there, you know, competing for wins. But we're also not spending, you know, six seven eight million dollars on one car. I'm not going to get into the financials because that's Johnny's business. But it's a fraction of what he spends on. All four teams is a fraction of what you know. Some big I spent on one car, and I think that ended up at self as a testament to being even in the same conversation as some of these guys on a good day, we can compete with those guys that are running. You know, top top ten top twelve you. We saw last year with Ross. I mean, yes, he did have some some opportunities. We can ask. But I think he's still would have made the playoffs regardless in the four-car. It was all the resources that we could do to make that happen as far as sports goes. But I mean, he he made it work. And it's it's shows what JD motorsports can do if we have the right resources behind us. Speaking of Johnny know, logic would say man, you you keep putting blank race cars on the race track. That's not gonna work out too. Well, do do you ever worry about the fact like he's been able to do this for so long that eventually, you know, luck in a sense or the money may run out or do you not worry about I think he's been doing? It so long that he knows how to do got to figure it out. He if if he felt like it was going to negatively affect him. He wouldn't do it. I mean, he went out on an absolute limb last year and said I'm going to take four cars full-time, and I don't think that he starting parked at fifteen last year. I think it was, you know, sometimes a minimal effort, but he said, hey, we're going to go do this. And he's done it for this is now the second year, we did it part time. I think in twenty seventeen if I'm not mistaken, but he he he wouldn't do it. If if it was going to negatively affect him because he sat me down the same way. My first year was only three race deal. We were gonna run Atlanta, Las Vegas and Phoenix. I came to him and said, hey, this is a sponsored by have what can we do? He said we're going to run a a three race steel. And I think somebody else was already in for California. And then I would start and park or I would you know, kind of be there. Just fill in when when I could. And we'd we did. So well to start that season it ended up being a every single race except for Daytona because he already had that deal done. He sat me down his office and said do not race these cars if it is going to negatively affect you as far as financial wise. He said, be careful and don't spread yourself thin. Just you know, if I wanted to buy tires from my own pocket, I think that's what he was saying which I haven't had to do. But, but he said, very be very careful because this thing this can consume you, and it can go the wrong way. And I think we've seen it, you know, throughout history in the sport, people, kind of searching themselves thin and doing some things that probably shouldn't just for the simple fact that they're obsessed with it. But I think that's that's what separates Johnny is that he's not going to do that as much as he loves the sport. He's not going to put himself or the guys that is under his payroll in a bad situation. How important is it for you for for you and your teammates to take care of your race cars, I'm assuming there's not many that you guys have. No. So so how important is that on a given weekend? And how much do you think about it you and your teammates of okay, we can't go out here and be tearing offenders off and crash in if we can help it. We've we've got a race hard. But smart. Yeah, I'm I'm really glad that you brought that up because that is something that is one of the hardest things that I've had to learn over the past few years drive for sports. It is important. It's not it's not it's not important just because of the financial aspect in in the sense that like if we wrecked his car we have to rebuild it that's important in and of itself. But if you look at how you try to build a team and grow a team if you're wrecking cars every week, you're not working on them. You're building them. So what what Johnny and what my Kuchis over the years, and what the guys over there have kind of instilled in my brain is that. To make these things fast to improve you have to be able to work on them. And if we're not going to right side off every week. You're not working on them. You're just fixing them. So that's something that yes, we think about every single time we go on the track. I made a mistake at Texas in qualifying. We had a really really good car again. Top fifteen speed the right there with Ross and really really felt really good about about the weekend. The second qualifying and wrecked and still had top twenty speed. But we've probably could have contended for top ten if I hadn't have made that mistake and looking back at it. If we had gone to backup car or tried to go to the back of car, it probably wouldn't have happened either. We've probably wouldn't have even started the race. So those things are playing to the back of your mind. And when you're on the edge to drive these cars in all three series. You have to be absolutely on the edge to to drive them fast. And instead of going for us. Instead of going. Maybe you know that ninety five percent ninety eight percent. Maybe we're running, you know, maybe eighty five to ninety percent to try to you know, you have to go fast. But you also have to do it safely which is completely backwards thinking of a race car driver. We've mentioned Ross a few times, of course, Rawson Ryan priests. There's been a few of them now that have been getting these opportunities and everybody wants to talk about well who's next or or who else will we'd love to see again opportunity. I'm sure you as a young guy are sitting back saying I would love to get my chance in a top notch car. Do you sit back? And of course, think about that have you you've you've no Ross or closer to Ross you've seen what he's able to do. I think if I if I didn't have those feelings than I should probably stop racing. 'cause people always ask me like, hey, what, you know. Why do you? Why do you drive for motorsports? What you know? You're a proven winner in legend cars, I'm a championship. Winning racecar driver. Right. I. Have a ton of trophies back at at the house. Winnings. Everything in the sport. Why are you going out there and running twenty twenty fifth and fifteenth, and you know, doesn't like it hard on you? And I mean, first of all I'm one of the Sunni series. I'm one of thirty drivers in the world. If you look at the Cup series. I'm one of less than one hundred guys that get to go out and drive in NASCAR every weekend and get paid for it. So I'm always gonna I'm never gonna take that for granted that that it's it's a dream come true for me. So whether I'm running last or I I still get to be on that stage. Obviously, I'm a competitive guy. I want to get out there and I want to win races. And I want to win championships. And you know, my goal talking about setting goals is to be in the NASCAR hall of fame Wedneday. So I'm not gonna stop until until either it's it's impossible or or happens. So, you know, as far as, you know, competing in and all that like, you know, that's that's what I wanna do. Do I want to be there? And I'm sorry. I got attention it there. But. No, it's I mean, it's it's it's super super important to to get out there and run and do these things and get to compete with these guys. And even on the Cup side. You know, get to do that. I mean, it's it's so cool to get to Rome with those guys. I mean, I've been watching them since I was a little kid, and it's. I don't know. Sometimes I think about it. And it just like my mind is blown because I get to do it. So sorry, I got off there. Author there to not in though. I mean, have you have you talked to Ross allot? I mean, have you have you just been able to be around him and take it and kinda live vicariously through him and the opportunity that he got I think it was actually really cool to be to be kind of attached to to his deal with with Ganassi just because I was teammates with JD because he you know, I've never had that opportunity. And I've always wondered what that's like so talking about him getting plugged in and working with Josh wise, and and and getting on the simulator and just being plugged into a big team like that. It was cool to hear that information. And it helps me as a driver. So I'm I'm asking him. Okay. What what are they what are they looking for a what things did they think that you needed to prove on what you know, what kind of different things you have to do. And having that information is really important for me to get back into my zero car because he got it from you know, all these. Different guy, you know, Mike ship let his crew chief from last year. I it's talented guy. I mean, he I mean race winning crew chief in the seventy series. So hearing some of the things that Ross was saying that, you know, I it it's a huge help to be a part of that. You have. Let's let's switch to talking about Cup stuff. Let's switch to to the Cup series. You have six starts on your belt last year in this year again not in race winning equipment. But you're out there. You're running the Cup series. Are you still were you still able to tell the difference when you go from one series to another in terms of the competition level? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's crazy. A little bit less. Well, not even less. I mean, the package is different obviously running five hundred horsepower. And the Cup series is a lot different than going state to Michigan last year for my debut, and you know, Holland off into turn one two hundred fourteen miles an hour. A lot has changed just in one year. Yes. The package let alone competition. Yes. But with all that said you show up. And it is a completely different atmosphere on Cup days. It's completely different on track. I mean, those guys are the best of the best from first to last. Those guys are the best of the best drivers adrift stock cars and probably best. The best drivers in the world, so competing with them and seeing just kind of feeling that energy. And then just it's something as simple as like restarts. So, you know, going back to Arca the restarts are completely different than go into trucks truck restarts. Or different than extending just everything just gets tighter. And tighter and tighter. And my very first restart in a very first start in a Cup car. They hit the gas on my. All right. These guys are ready to go. Let's do. Because you know, these finishers you can kind of lag back a little bit and kind of, you know, roll into it even though everybody's tight and it looks like that on TV you get to the Cup series. And it's I mean, everybody shift at the same point everybody's accelerating hard. And that I mean, it just makes you better racecar driver. And I think that's why you saw the success that Ross had last year. You know, he got those Cup opportunities with premium, and I see it myself this year, it just helps you week in and week out. If you can sit your butt in a receipt and go do laps Johnny said, whether it's in a Cup car, or whether it's in a tricycle. If you're doing lobster on the track. It's going to help you you've done three races this year with spire, of course, their new on the scene. I guess you would say they've got that furniture row. Charter a going back to how I phrase the question earlier about JD motorsports. What how can you shed some light for all of us on on that operation? What you've seen from your end. What are they trying to accomplish over there? You've run. Three races. And it's almost like you've you again, you kept the fenders on it almost kind of stay state out of the way type of deal. What can you tell us about what they've got going on over there? Maybe what the goal is for for you guys in them. Yeah. And right now for that team. That's kind of the barking orders. It's it's we're new we're trying to improve these cars where we're trying to figure out. You know, how to how to be as successful as you possibly can in the Cup series. And right now, it's it's keeping the fenders on. There's there's not a lot of inventories. And a lot of parts we just we need to to continue just logging laps and gain the finishes and get as much data as we possibly can Joe gurneys over there. He's involved in it TJ and Jeff from spire and Joey dental wits. They're all kinda involved in the whole thing and a very involved in it. And I think I think they're kind of learning what they want to. I think it was kind of an opportunity that they didn't really know that they were going to have. And I don't want to speak for them. But just kind of outside looking in. You know, I think there's still trying to figure out what they want with everything. But right now, I'm just I'm so fortunate and blessed it that they're giving me the opportunity to to drive their car sharing it with with Quinn half. I think he's got fifteen or sixteen races or something. He's got the majority of the schedule as they phrased it yet. But I I mean. As far as I go. I just I want to be that filling guy that if they need somebody to come drive the car, I'll I'll jump in and drive it. I'm a licensed Cup Lisin license owner, which I said on the Tommy Joe's podcasts at the beginning of the season wasn't easy because Sussex pensive, and I don't have it. So that was a good episode. I'll plug that one. Yeah. He hasn't done many episodes. But. They're pretty good. Yeah. Yours was really good. We're on site full. I I learned some stuff from after listening to my own. Maybe I need to listen to myself a little bit more often as far as insight with the team. I think they're they're still learning what they want. I think they'll have a little bit better direction. But I mean at the end of the day they want to grow a successful race team and joke Onis obvious, obviously did it with Barney Visser at furniture row. And I think you know, if the right resources are there, there's no there's no reason why they can't do that. Again. It's just one of those things we're all kind of curious about how they're going to make this work what the goals, are you know, where they their equipment and things of that nature. So again you've done three races Quinn, hav is doing majority of the schedule. I think this weekend again, we're talking going into Talladega. Justin Haley is gonna make his Cup debut. There's been a bunch of different of you guys in that car. Do you know for sure like if you have any more races with them, or is it one of those things when stuff comes up they get in contact you and say, hey, we have an open race. I it's nothing scheduled right now, there's a there's a few races that there's some of my my sponsors. You know, kind of signed up at the beginning of the year to do, you know, some extent and then just a couple of Cup races just to help their program out. So there's there's a couple of races that I know that that I'm gonna race, you know, before the end of the year, but I'm not really sure which ones those are. I think it's very circumstantial, and depending on what what everybody else does. So as of right now anything extra in the Cup series is a bonus for me if I could land it, you know, say ten races this year in the Cup series. I think that would be a really really good number again. I'm I'm out there just to make sure that first of I can do it which I always felt that I could race on that level. And then, you know, gain respect not piss anybody off, and and keep the car clean kind of jumping to. Kind of a different topic. Here. We've talked a lot about and you've mentioned it you loved a race seat time is very important a couple of weeks ago. You did the triple in Texas and first office at the first time you've run a triple week at all, right? So the first time I I'll what was that experience. Like because I I have a few things I want to ask about because we always get caught up in guys like Kyle Busch who runs three races in a weekend. I think Ross has done it plenty of times now for you. What does the experience like going from one to the other to the other and a weekend and all that practice and qualifying jumping between garages? It was different. And with Texas. Of course, you know, the garages are all spread out not. Yeah. Easy place in abbey though. And I don't have a golf cart. So I'm I'm walking back and forth. And I'm I'm making sure that my is in the right place. I think, you know, probably the hardest part about the whole thing was was making sure that I had the right equipment and the right cars in the right spots. It was nice to have the trucks do all their practice on Thursday. So I could just focus on that. I haven't been in a truck in probably you're gonna half it's been a while. So it was I was surprised how fast we got to speed. I even told Bruce cook was crew chief from the deal over there in. I told him. I was like I'll just go get up speed whatever he said, you're as credit ever you you drive in the Cup series. Like, you're going to be fine. And you're gonna get right speed. So that was a lot easier than I thought the biggest thing was like Friday. We had I think morning Cup. I think it was morning cut practice. And then so we did cut practice. Xfinity practice truck. Qualifying another Finnity practice Cup qualifying. And then the truck race all in that one day. So everything on track went smooth as far as, you know, getting back and forth and jumping in and not not forgetting which kind of vehicle I was in. They all drive so different now. So that's definitely easy. I think the hardest part was just making sure that I was hydrated and making sure that I had time to eat. I mean, that's I was literally looking at the Friday schedule. Like, okay win. Am I gonna eat? Okay. Here's a little window. Here's a little window. Okay. I'll I got it. And that was the hardest thing. But I could not believe how good I felt at the end of the Cup race because we had an issue at Atlanta in the seventy seven that took us out for fifty or sixty laps or something like that. So that was a five hundred this Texas race for that weekend was my first five hundred that I completed our race. So that's kind of you know, weighed on my head a little bit. But I was surprised at how how good how good I felt afterwards. That's exactly where I was going with this question. Because again, we've talked. The sport. We the sport talk all the time about drivers going from one to another. I never thought about it until a couple of weeks ago of Kurt Busch mentioned it after Kyle one is two hundred Raith two hundred race of just the commitment that obviously his younger brother has. But but Kirk talked about how physically you you have to credit Kyle for how much racing just because physically what he's doing to his body. And I never thought of it like that. I asked Kyle martinsville about it. And he said, yeah. Over the years, it's gets on it weighs on your body and what you're doing on any given weekend. So I I'm now fascinated by this and I want to ask more drivers. Now you've done it for the first time. He just said you felt okay after the Cup race. So what did you notice physically doing all that racing in one weekend? Well, the biggest thing is to make sure I got sleep. I mean that was the absolute best thing. Krill Edwards told me a few years ago. I actually did the double header Atlanta with the trucks and expanding car, and I had already this was like before I got which I had already had. A deal with Mike Miller. And when I got to deal with JD, I was like, hey, like, do you mind? If I do this double here. He's like, no, no problem whatsoever. And he actually encourages it because it helps me on track. So I I asked him what he what I needed to do for that to to make sure that I was prepared. He said it sounds stupid. But sit as much as you possibly can. Because I'm an active guy in Carl said the same thing, we we like to be up and out and about and walking around. And and I don't like to sit. I get I get antsy. I gotta go do something. He said sit as much as you can because standing, you know, takes away from it that energy and the the nutrition part and hydration part are so important. He told me to eat peanut butter jelly sandwiches in between races. So I could kind of regenerate all all the nutrients and stuff like that. I don't eat like I need to and I'm working on that. And that's like the hardest thing but the. Speaking on Kurt's point your cows point talking about over the years. You know, it it wears on your body. The very first time I sat in the truck Atlanta and was doing a race. I was like in the middle of race and just feeling the G forces, and it was the longest race in my career the fumes and everything else. I wasn't used to is my first race. And I was just sitting there in that truck. And I was like this is not good for your body. Like, none of this is good and people always talk about all NASCAR aren't athletes. Whatever. No, you sit in a race car, and you go around and sit first of all sit in the same spot on an airplane or a car or on the couch in the same spot without moving for two and a half hours. You go try that it's not easy and second just all the G forces that are on your body in the heat. And and just the hydration that you have to that you have to continue like to to help your body out. Like, it's. It's not easy. So I think the reason I felt so good after that race was because I was over prepared. I made sure that I did all the things that I needed to do I was over hydrated for every single race. Which isn't always a good thing. If you need to go to the bathroom, but I've I'd rather be over hydrated than under hydrated for sure. And then just making sure that eight properly so it was it was a cool experience. I I hope I get to do it again because it was all a heck of a lot of fun for the future. Yes. All right. Listen, I gotta get you going. You've got some appointments and those of us who get a haircut. Yeah. This week. So anybody who knows anything about the Charlotte? Mooresville concord area. There's traffic's we gotta get you going here plenty of time. But I wanted to end it. They're talking about your birthday, this will probably air after your birthday has come and gone, what twenty seven twenty seven golden birthday as of Saturday of Talladega. So what is twenty-seven going to look like? For for Garrett Smith, I hope really really good. I keep telling people that. It's like it's my golden birthday because I'm turning twenty seven on the twenty seventh is the first time in NASCAR. I've done it in a legend car couple times the first time in NASCAR. I'm racing on my birthday, usually, I'm very low key about my birthday. I don't talk about it. It's not a big deal. I it's not public on Facebook or any my social media channels, of course, people find out anyway skip you'll probably tweet me you told me. Hey, we gotta do the podcast because I wanna talk about my birthday. Yeah. We do it around. My birthday, this is on you. So I am super excited about Talladega. Again. It's an opportunity raise for us. We could go and win that race. So I hope when this thing airs I'll have a trophy in my collection. And we'd be in the playoffs and everything like that. But honestly, I I would I would not want to do anything else on my birthday then race a car last year. I got to practice on my birthday this show get to race. And I'm not in the Cup race. So if anybody, well, I guess this is going to air after. Go back and look at my social media because we're going to the boulevard on Saturday night after the race, regardless of what happens, and it's going to be big. So stay tuned. All right twenty-seven. It's going to be big for forget Smith lets it. All right. You're always a pleasure to have on the podcast. And I hope people go back and listen to the first episode that we did with you last year where we got to know more about you. This is all about racing. So always a pleasure and Garrett go have fun which haircut and I look forward to seeing social media on Saturday. It's going to be fun. Whether we win or whether we crash out and finished last still going to be big o fun thanksgiving.

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NBA Draft Fits and Conference Finals Thoughts | The Corner 3

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NBA Draft Fits and Conference Finals Thoughts | The Corner 3

"Hey, it's less. Kelly, welcome to the ringer podcast network before you get to the show, make sure you check out the ringer dot com for our extensive NBA playoff coverage leading up to the NBA finals. Also look out for twenty nineteen NBA draft guide, which now features fifty of Kevin O'Connor scouting reports. The draft guide has a first-round mock draft big board rankings from our draft experts like Jonathan Turks Danny Chow, and much more to come leading up to the draft itself on June twentieth. Once again, check out the ringers twenty nineteen NBA draft guide and Oliver NBA coverage over on the ringer dot com. Welcome to the ringer NBA show is the long to addition of the corner, three. My name is Danny Shaolin associate editor for the site. Joining me from Dallas as ringer staff writer, Jonathan sharks. How's it going man? Good man. I'm excited talked draft. I think Casey is currently flying back from Chicago. Right. Is that right? He couldn't make it for the pot. He's flying back out of Chicago from the NBA draft lottery last night after being sequestered into a room with eleven other MBA writers without access to a cell phone for two hours. Sounds like my worst nightmare. Data his hand, I was act low now he doesn't have time for us pot about our lowly quarter now, the long pod, I think that's where we should start Tuesday's NBA draft lottery was basically everything the NBA had hoped for with the flattened Dodds. It was chaos. There were so many fan bases calling it rigged. Hurt me, a little given how much I appreciate taking and how much I think it's a necessary evil with, with the way, the, the NBA system is. Run. But I can't really deny the last night was, you know, truly high drama. So I think it was definitely dramatic for sure. Yeah. So I think we'll just kick this thing off with a deep dive of maybe the first six teams picking in the draft lottery and, and kind of work from there. I think there's plenty of time to talk draft now. So we might as well go deep as deep as we can. Yeah. For sure. I mean, I'm a conspiracy guy but I will admit Zion going to the Pels. That's not a I mean if they're ever gonna fix a draft this with the draft to fix. Guess do that anymore? I don't know. So are now are you saying that this would be affixed like the pelicans getting Zion is kind of content was want that? Really? Yeah. Right. Because to me that says, like the NBA's not fixing these number two with Memphis, who these are two teams that have been in the headlines about, you know, are they going to stay in there? Are they going to stay in their city? Are they going to stay for the foreseeable future? So I kind of. Don't really see it. But you know you know of these top six teams that are picking I in the lottery. They're kind of seems to be a pattern. That's merged right, sharks. In terms of how their teams are built. We were kind of game planning this, and it feels like this year. Really the top four all four kind of this weird in between stage right between, like they got Veterans Day. Bring in young guys. And how do you find that balance? And how to veterans deal with be having younger guys in the team. So it's just hard at the top, right? Anthony davis. Do you think you're gonna stay in New Orleans like he wants to stay play his eye on do? I think he wants to say no, I don't think he wants day. But I think I think David Griffin kind of has all of. He has all the cards now like he doesn't really matter at this point like he can kind of wait this thing out as long as he wants to because he has the crown jewel of the draft. And he has the crown jewel of maybe the next few drafts. I think he thinks on might be the best prospect. We'll see in a while. I don't know. You're, you're more on top of the Atlanta went when he won drafts. I don't know. Yeah. We're, we're really looking at like Zion and maybe like Imani Bates in, in may leverage. Yeah. He's like the next big thing he's going to be good. But I think I think, in terms of a guy who can kind of completely changed the way the game is played a Jay Williams had kind of talked about this yesterday during the draft up broadcast. He's like he he went through the draft and kind of look at all the players that really changed the way that we saw the league. And I think. Yeah. No. He's right. Zion is one of those guys because we just haven't seen a guy with his unique skill set, kind of lead a team before I may be crazy. Thank him in eighty together. And then there's like it's like could it be like Simmons? And Embiid, though they played together, do they both want to attack the rim. Would it makes sense? Or would it be like Randall an ideal over again? Right. Yeah. It would really be contingent on, I guess the rest of the roster being ideal fits you would need so much spacing for that's work. I. I mean eighty has gotten so much better, you know, pulling up off the dribble shooting threes and stuff like that. But it's still not necessarily, what he wants to do the most and at a certain point, if Zion can't be can't hit his threes, and you're asking eighty to basically do what Joel Embiid did all of this season, kind of hesitantly shooting those threes, just because no one else could on the Sixers. Then it might be a kind of a tricky fit, and at that point, you're like, well, okay, I get an eighty wants out like there's no point in having them try to figure this out on the fly. When he's a goner. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking. I think like you know we all love Zion. But if you're Anthony Davis, it's like I've been losing for seven years, and I have to wait like, I don't know, three or four years for the Scott figure it out to get into his own, like by the time a dis thirties, ions twenty two. I don't wanna they don't wanna wait for Zion to figure it out, right. Oh man. That that is. That is impossible. But thank. And yeah. I, but I was thinking about it. I was like you fast. Eddie, I was like if, if AD is like I still want to play for the Lakers, I mean between playing for what an eighteen year old Zion and a thirty four year old LeBron James, that's sixteen years of difference. Yes, it almost feels like it's like it was like too hot to cold, I jus-, right? Would you can get into a little later like word be the best bought with Frei D? But I mean I do I do get the appeal. I mean right. AD Zion, and drew holidays. I mean that's a pretty nasty big three to that. Yeah. That the defensive potential with those three would be off the charts and you're, you're basically asking for you have three guys across the positional spectrum that can create out of the pick and roll. Who have good vision, and who have good instincts creating for others? Who I mean? Yeah. You basically surround them with big wings could shoot threes, which, you know it's not easy to find. But like if you can find those guys you know put put Kenneth Williams out on the court a little bit longer. Hey, Kennedy's TCU. You know, just have a bunch of big news on the floor and drew. I don't know it could work it. It's crazy. 'cause like your these two wild extremes. Right. You could try to go like all in now with Zion drew in a D or you could like do a process times ten and you could process, a D And process drew again and like Chagas may draft picks around, Zion as you possibly could. Right. Right. What if you put both those guys in the market? How many young guys did you bring in you kind of like ten? You want to be like it's crazy. Irene? So I, I get, I guess, at this point, we would have to start listing the possible. Anthony Davis trades and, and, and kind of rank them by favorability. I mean where where do they even start looking? I guess the Celtics one, right? Well to me, there's four teams jump out. Right. That can make a big offers. So clippers Lakers, Nick Celtics. They could all make just throw a huge amount of young guys and picks Adam, and there's also like the dark horse possibilities like the nuggets, maybe get in on it or ill number of teams. But to me, like I'm thinking about right now. I think I'm like the clippers the most really if I can get ashtray Landry. Shamet zubaydah. And then like a bunch of picks that's, that's too. That's a starting backward, right there s Sheahan Landry Shamet, and I think s shake could be an all star point guard Landry Shamet could be like next. Great catch and shoot to guard right with zayante. That'd be a pretty nasty top three and so to balance out the, the money. Would you need to include like Danilo go and Ari, or we don't because the clippers have a bunch of cap space? Oh, yeah. You're right. You're just trading Davis. The cap space. Oh, that's interesting. And then if you get Davis in LA, and then you compare with Leonard instead of pairing up with LeBron or Zay on. Right. And that's always kind of, like I guess my dream pairing like put coli in eighty together to do to are just like. Real non compelling personalities, but who just really want play and who were just what they do. The classic Danny child, right? Yeah. With the two least compelling personalities together and, and just like create a compelling product off of pure skill. I don't know like that's that's my dream, not a lot of passing though, if those players not, not no elite playmaking there. Which I mean, whatever though I guess. Right. At that point, she have quiet and Davis qui- Davis. And then you'd have Lou Williams off the bench. Here's my take of all those teams clippers Lakers. Next Celtics, I think I'll take s j of any of them all their young players on those four teams that is the take when you're looking at making these trades really talking about can I get an all star franchise young type player. So who's just therapies off a free each team. The clippers has asked the Lakers. It's Brandon Ingram. I like Ingram a lot. But with this whole blood clot thing I mean, how can they even trade for him? Right. Right. I mean who knows this poem. What's up with him the next it's offer is third pick. It's the third pick. Come the third pick? Yeah. And to me, if I was drafting s j this year to me is number two player in this draft easily. And then, of course, Celtics would be Tatum, right? Although the Celtics offer would be interesting. I think it would be the most compelling just because I think the package that they would put out would immediately make the pelicans like a playoff ready possible contender because I think they'd have to include Horford in it. And you just kind of what you're saying, Horford Tatum, Brown. Yeah. I mean I deal. Yes, I don't know if you get all of that, but, yeah, that's I they're going to have to now if the teams are in the market. And if eighty up for state like they're going to have the ball in. But then what is Kyrie do. Right. Right. What if Kyrie leaves that Gordon Hayward and Anthony Davis, Terry Rozier? And then Davis is like what am I doing here? I mean think about it from the pelicans perspective. That's, that's drew holiday that Jaylen Brown, Jason Tatum Zay on and our Horford. That's very nice harder with those guys. Nice. That's a pretty nice scene. That's a that's an extremely strong defensive team. And then you can kind of, however, for Zion Tatum Brown holiday yet that is nasty. Yeah, if see if they can get that, that's a an like look Al Horford probably leaves after after one season but like you're fine with that. And the thing with Horford though, so he has a player option for his last year. And that's due on June twenty nine before fragrance you starts, my guess, is he's not going to pick it up because he's gonna want to either way he stayed in Boston. He's gonna wanna get a longer deal right now. Right. Right. Yeah. And want them Harley the last year to get a longer more secure contract. Exactly. And he there have been reports that he would be willing to take on a team friendly contract to stay in Boston. So, yeah, if they do trade him, I mean, it definitely wouldn't be. He wouldn't be happy about it. Okay. So, yeah, let's take off the table. I don't think I think if you're Boston, you're trained for Davis, you're assuming horford's player takes his player option doesn't take it Kariya's and take it and trying Davis into space because at that point Boston clear fifty million dollars. So be looking at a Tatum, Brown deal, which have Tatum and Brown s j and sham. I'm saying, I'll tell you, I think, ashtrays better than all of them to me is a six six point guard. Get his own shot, where everyone's super basketball Q high Q his jumper is getting better every every game. And seems like I mean he had like twenty five points against the warriors and the play offs one of those games. Yeah, he's a three and defender. I mean, to me, I think he's the highest of all those guys, I wonder if his body can really develop to kind of withstand. You know being a three positional a three position defender going forward. I don't I don't know if necessarily has the frame for that, I, I look at a guy like Frank Neale Aquino, who was like nowhere near as good as j but he does have the frame to actually develop into one despite being labeled a point guard entering the draft. I wonder how his body develops but yet. No, you're right. His skill. His skill set is almost ideal for the type of, you know, point guard that, that most things are looking for these days. And then if you look at it like was Shamma to like Shamil let's try this us probably like the biggest surprise was rookie class, right? Yeah. Like Amanda Shannon playing office, I on how many open three she's gonna get right? Yeah. And sham. It is like one of the plus minus net rating gods. Like whenever he's on the floor. He just makes the team better just because he knows exactly what he was doing. He's basically another JJ radical before. I don't know. That's what I'm that's what I'm thinking if I'm the pelicans, I guess, we should talk Lakers to right Lakers, and the next to be in that mix also. Right. So you that Lakers, probably Lonzo cuckoo's, MMA, Ingram and the pick is their trade. Yeah. Well, I mean, with the Lakers, it really boils down to, like, okay, can can the medicals, you know, clear, Brandon Ingram completely, like what will there be a lingering? Scare will there always be a lingering scare that, you know. The, the blood clots can can kind of resurface, I think he's still the biggest talent of the hall that, that they can get out of any of these teams. But yeah, I think I think that is such a. You know. It's a factor that, that definitely kind of diminishes the Lakers deal or their offer. I made it almost got underplayed. I felt like someone who's going on when it happened. But like that's like a franchise changing diagnosis. I mean obviously lifetime diagnosis for him. You want underplay that either. But I to me, I just know how you can trade, Anthony Davis for guy who might never play again. Or remind always hanging over his career. Right. Look do the Knicks have a credible. Offer to be honest, I guess, in comparison, the rest of us guys, I'm saying no. Now, so you have number three, Kevin knocks, you probably go through Mitchell Robinson. He had a really good rookie year. Yeah. So Knox Robinson number three pick. Dennis tree-ring. They got a lot of young guys. But I don't know if a lot of young guys Rylance, despite the best prospect, they all kind of feel like minus guys, like at their very best, you know, like Robinson, though. Yeah. Yeah. Huge surprise true like shot-blocking. Savant guy who can like I mean with him and Zion together, like how many threes are getting blocks? Yeah. Though, I guess you wonder if you're building around Zion, do you want a non shooting big router, how good defensively he is? Right. Yeah. And you you'd kind of written about that earlier this season about how Zion can kind of be the next great playmaking five the next great playmaking center in the vein of Yoenis in the vein of LeBron. Or Draymond even you know on. Yeah. In rights, when you have Draymond, you gotta go small at some point, you, you gotta get get those shot, get that big off the floor Swe has open lane to the basket. So, yeah, I think the next would be the lowest share those four man, it's going to be crazy. I don't know. There's so many different options so many possibilities, I think, with bringing up to like if you were going to process, the pelicans, the lottery odds being changed make that less appealing. I think so. I mean I mean right. The Suns are sitting at number six right now. The bullet seven. What a bummer for teens man. Yeah. As brutal. Yeah. Like another team that will have to decide whether or not it's in full-scale rebuild, or not is the Memphis grizzlies who beat the odds. So. And the number two pick this should be a huge deal. But the grizzlies are kind of cursed, like they've had the number two pick in the legendary two thousand three draft which they had to convey to Detroit because of a trade that they made in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven oh, yeah. That's right. So they had kept the pick. That's number one yelled at. Yeah. For the auto store trade, and they had the number two pick in two thousand nine the Blake Griffin year which also could have landed them, James harden, merged Steph curry instead, they got hushing the beat and now Zion. So and where where do we land with the grizzlies at number two? It's between. It seems like the looking at RJ jaw those that you guys that have kind of separated themselves after his eye on rental bit. And so then it feels like it's a pretty simple calculation. So if you. If you draft if you draft job Moran that you probably move my Conley, pretty soon. And then used you're starting scraps with Gye and Jaren Jackson, if you draft RJR you thinking, well we're going to turn away with Conley, the yourself a younger team around him. I guess for me it comes down to how fungible you think the positions are, like, I think, if you think RJ has all of the requisite skills to be a two way, versatile wing. A guy who can, you know, handle the ball, defend eventually learn how to shoot maybe even become like a small bowl four down the road, then maybe that's more valuable than a skinny six foot three point guard like regardless of how athletes make how, you know, mesmerizing John Morand is, I think, with, John, we talked about this during the draft like it's all what that pull up jump shot, Mike. I think he's got my far the highest basketball, I q of all the guards in the straffed of like your Garland's your whites all those guys. John marinas. The guy like you trust. His read for the game. His feel for the game understanding when the pass when to shoot and it's like any good athlete in college been the NBA Kenny be consistent. Pull up three point shooter because if he can be that player that player in Jaren Jackson is a pre interesting one to. Right. Right. Jarl if jock and be like you're spread pick and roll point guard can pass out of it really easily. Then he could be a franchise player. I mean, I can't imagine them sticking with calmly like, regardless of, of, who they draft. I think they have to find a way to, to kind of off load that contract this team is not built to contend this team is, is black barely built to make the playoffs at this point. So I I don't really see a reason why they would they would hold onto Conley other than it being literally the last vestige of gridiron. Grind. Yeah. I think so, because to me, initially RJ in here, it doesn't change much about, like he's not going to be. I don't think an instant impact like change a franchise. He's a long-term player so yeah. At that point, can you get anything for Conley? Right. Wouldn't commonly be one of the better players in the market. If you put them out there, right in my dreams, the Marcus all trade that that's Ronco pulled off would have included Conley as well. I think I would have liked shipped title Oury over to Memphis. But yeah, I think he still has value. He put up. You know, one of his best to school at least roster typical seasons in his career last season after coming back from that kind of weird achilles bone spur injury that he had that sidelined him during the grizzlies like worst season in forever. I mean, the one that got them. J J J, so yeah. I think he still has value. I think all of his skills are still translate. He's, he's not too old. He's on the wrong side of thirty. Sure. But I think he has a game that can that can age pretty gracefully yet feels like you might try them to like even Utah. Indiana weren't these teams of cap space doesn't get a big prospect, or doesn't get a big star. And then maybe get some young guys for him. I think to me, I'll just go at job or RJ Jodl on right backward. That's pretty fun. Do you have anything else to say about the grizzlies NAS with keep moving? So the number three pick goes to the Knicks. I'm actually wearing a fun shirt by an artist's name Andrew Cuomo. You may know him as Earl boykin on social media. It's a mock jersey that has the two thousand sixteen seventy. Knicks as the world champions of basketball. Who's on that team? Derrick rose, crews me original super team for zingers, Courtney Lee Ron Baker and Carmelo Anthony dream team. Classic Danny moment in the middle of post-lottery when we tell you about a shirt on where. For your so Andrew quota. That's cool. Yeah shut him out. I don't know what to make of what the Knicks are supposed to do here. I mean, I think like if you're them, you have to know. Right. Are you getting Kadian kyri? Or are you not? Yeah. Like everyone thinks they are. But are they if they're coming it really changes that amick just saying, like we were talking about that? Can you imagine kyri with the number three pick and Mike telling RJ about high spot up off the ball? Sacrifice. Yeah. And that's literally RJ's worst skill is never had the play off the ball. Like to me, if you're bringing those two guys, and you really can't draft RJ, and I'm not sure you can draft anyone, like I don't know that any young guy Plymouth Kadian kyri is really going to be good for their careers. Right. I mean at that point, you're like if I mean, if you're drafting for fit, because, you know that Kyrie and Katie are coming. Then it's like okay, what kind of player do we would we really like to have? An and then it becomes what Andrea hunter guy who could switch guy. I don't want a couple of positions. Like what, what's the movie, I'll let you can Jaffer fit in the top three. Yeah. I wanna get a role player not knowing about a role. Plenty of makes sense, or even that will be acceptable for Katie and Kyrie like even three and d guys on elite teams, generally older players, that would be the best case scenario in which it's kind of okay? We have our two superstars. Whatever we do. Here is just kind of house money. What happens if they don't get either guy if they don't get anything? I mean, if they're trying to build it on Arjun Dennis Smith, that's like the darkest timeline, right? RJ Dennis Smith, Kevin. Knox. Just the true like inefficiency all-stars, one's a tree. I mean you've got a lot of guys who wanna take shots. That's for sure. Oof. I mean to me like all these young guys are gonna have to go from New York because all these guys are ball dominant. Guys don't wanna play off anyone getting. So, basically the Knicks are kind of stuck in like a weird. I mean is it it's a it's a worse situation than the Lakers, even if they. No. I can't say that now. Yeah, it's definitely k yeah. You. Yeah. You would have Katie and that changes literally everything I will say this. There's one guy in the straffed who could draft right now at three and who would make the Knicks a lot better team. No matter who was around him. That's our guy. Brandon clark. Yeah. Charts you have them ranked number two. Yeah. I mean to me he's like I think he's got some Shawn Marion his game. That's what I was thinking putting him there. Yes, me. He's like a multiple defender. I mean pry other than Zion, the best athlete in draft, high basketball IQ, his jump shot is really developed. I think he'd be great like playing off K D running around, cutting to the rim defending doing garbage man stuff. But I mean, like I wonder what point do you say, forget draft and draft the best player? Right. We get so Connie's boxes. Oh well John RJ number two, and three players. Then there's the Culver garland hunter range riot but it's like everyone says his draft this week. So why get locked into these ranges, don't anything anyways, right? Yeah. I I've kind of been in that same mode all season. I thought the reason why this draft is so compelling. It's not because of necessarily the talent. But because. The teams that are looking in these ranges will have such different priorities from one another, and that is going to shake up the draft. I think it will shake up the draft in ways that we haven't seen since, like, maybe two thousand sixteen but even two thousand sixteen. It was because the, the kings were doing some wild wild stuff that was just like what is going on, like Thon maker when ten and then papagiannis went what eleven or twelve something like that. Yeah. Random stuff started happening whereas here, I think it's really like, okay each team has their own set of priorities. And there just aren't that many guys that have. The talent level that would kind of override you know a teams general game plan. I think it's going to be pretty interesting. Yeah, it's crazy. Like even, even in any most drafts like okay who's the third best player who's a fourth bless player. Let's, let's debate RJ job. But you look at these team, it's really about fit in the NBA their picture up their place in the league their free agency status like I'm looking at this. Like I feel like there's almost no chance the Knicks and the Lakers make these picks. Right. I mean realistically, if RJ's the guy at three for whoever is going to take him. That's a trade that's gonna be traded. There's just no way can bring RG into play with LeBron or Katie. It may doesn't make any sense. But man, it's like what exactly is the trade value for these picks when all we're saying is just like a bunch of nay saying about, you know? Oh, these guys aren't aren't great. Oh, blah, blah, blah, like what can that's the other question to? Right. Who's trading up into this draft? Yeah. I mean, I think Casey had a good point in his little breakdown. We're saying about trading down. That might be the way to do it like go, you trade three spots back and get a veteran. I dunno like Phoenix at six at their offer TJ Warren and their pick, I wouldn't mind TJ, Warren. They can shoot threes. And a lot of these teams then you, then you kind of run into the, the, the wizards trap of trading. What the fifth pick and Mike Miller for Randy farm. You know, it was it was the fifth pick for Miller and foyer. Oh, Miller envoy. Okay. Yeah. What was either way? It doesn't really matter. That's the thing to, like, maybe these guys in these ranges aren't the best players. But the third fourth and fifth best player in the straffed, they might take taken in the twenties, and that player is probably gonna be worth a really high a really good piece in a trade. So it's hard to trade, a guy like a mediocre veteran like we're I'm going to leave like who would be mixed sense of besides, like Bradley Beal, who would make sense to be traded for a top pick Justice Winslow like if my anyone's three build a guess his contract, isn't isn't too exorbitant is it like he's still on the evidence. Not very long either. That's my two more years left, right? Yeah. That's the thing like I I'm looking at these teams and obviously the next Paik is the Lakers. It's like all these teams are clamoring to trade for a D, but in terms of, of oh, the Lakers became winners because they got this fourth pick. Yeah. Sure. But like where exactly is it going? What exactly can they do with it? I mean you can always hit for Kevin Love's run. The cows back in. Oh my God. I'm right. I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure to Los Angeles would love that for bring back the old Bruin couldn't. They signed Kyrenia Kevin love. Let's. Back the Cavs I don't even know if I'm being facetious right now. Like I pretty sure like your stance would actually hit it. Yeah. But I mean LeBron that maybe would make sense. I don't know give up on a stretch five again. I mean there have been there have been like murmurs that, like, Tyree would be down to go to LA so baba mentality and whatnot. Maybe I if you're looking at guys how about someone like Taurean prince KFC was saying he was available at the deadline, right? A younger veteran who wants to get paid. So maybe that's the kind of I'm torn principally help, a lot of these teams in the top five like he'd be great New York or LA. She kinda got lost in the shuffle and the hawks he had a pretty down season. His, his numbers are basically still all there, but, you know, his fishing see droughts, and there were just felt like a little bit of stagnation, but yeah, he's one of those guys who you can kind of envision on any team just because he is the size. He has the defensive prowess, and he has, you know, theoretical ability to be like a secondary tertiary. Ball handler. Way, more skills the most Randy wings for shero. Yeah. Terms of ball, handling passing in creating on shot. You think that's the kind of guy, you would want more than the veteran like a young veteran who's already got his first three years, but it's still growing as a player for top five pig. I thought about him when I thought about, oh imagine, you know, the Sixers having him instead of James NS chains and has had a pretty good series like against the raptors. But, you know, let's be real like he's, he has he has a pretty low ceiling or imagine the rockets with him having a guy who is six eight who can kind of create off the dribble. Create his own shot who has the body type of like a power forward. A modern power forward. It would have been really interesting. So, yeah. No torn prince is definitely a guy who would be worth targeting. Sure, I've got an for you. How about the Bonte sa- bonus right? Are the patiently gonna pay this guy and have two centers pay not right? Maybe a three team trade going like golf and you put some the k d be kind of interesting has Katie car from Ozzy shop locker. Right space from the rim. I mean I was thinking like when you were mentioning, like Mike, Conley trades and trading him into the Pacers. I was thinking I mean maybe demont could work for for Memphis. Oh my God. If you could trade sa- bonus for Conley. That'd be incredible Jackson be perfect together. Right. But I think that's the kind of guy if like if, if you want, once you go pass Mike. Conley Bradley Beal. I'm making the kind of guys you get in a traitor. Those kind of young guys coming up for the first big contract that kind of player might make sense for a top five pick all sorts Andrew Wiggins. He's probably out there. I got some. I got some, some flack for I suggesting the Wiggins for Chris Paul trade a few weeks ago, but I I stand by it. I think that's pretty funny trade I think, Minnesota with dealing for a pick though, you know let's talk about the Lakers the number four pick. They moved up. They should be happy. Should they be happy? Like what? What can they really do with your the first thing I thought, when I saw the pick was, like, how much authority does the LeBron have new organization because he's got to close sports guys who could be there. And Cam radish dare Scotland. Like is he making this pick or the Lakers making, this pick, if they keep it garland doesn't really make sense with the way their team works, doesn't it? Oh, think about if you have garlands you can play Lonzo to, like garland could be like an elite, Mario Chalmers, which sounds bad. But like he could score a lot of buckets, and if you've if you've Lonzo play. Defense in the backward. And then garden space in the floor. It wouldn't be crazy. And he could play off LeBron easy. Yeah. No, that's true. And I think one thing with garland that you can definitely count on, is look. Lebron has has been clamoring for for having guys. You can create their own shot for years, and whether or not, that's actually what his teams need is up for debate, but garland can absolutely create his own shot. He's so crafty has very, very good range from from MBA three can develop a little bit more of a floor game. But, like he's definitely got the, the requisite skill set to be a high level offensive player in the NBA, and I, I'm thinking, also, I feel like this is the kind of team players are running it, they're going to believe in Cam radish. I remember I was reading something like the Slavic and they are talking to players at the start of the season. And they are all saying they thought she better than Zion or RJ. And like if you're a player, you look at Cam, you'll get a size. Is shooting abilities fluidity? I can totally see LeBron watching Kamina workout and fall in love with them. Right. Right. And be oh this is a big wooden. Always needed. Also, like, okay, so I've been on this, Jared, Jared Culver height trooping thing for a bit. But yesterday they were sitting next to each other camera should so much bigger than Jarrett. Culver he is. He is a Muslim six nine. He is enormous clovers like six five, six six. Yeah. Cameras is Bill already like an NBA level like vet power forward. He's huge. And the fact that he can combine that with a little bit of fluidity with a little bit of ball, handling ability theoretical, you know, three point shooting ability. We everything we've seen from him at Duke is is just very kind of theoretical other than the actual misses that he wasn't bad, though. Yeah. Descends you'll right? He kind of guard pretty well. So, yeah, I can totally see teams talking talking themselves into him. During the combine process, because this is exactly the time where you start you, you kind of reset your evaluations. Yeah. And the things that he's bad at aren't really, like workout things. It's like a reading the floor, making lay ups and traffic like that kind of stuff kind of slides, the backgrounds whereas things he does well translate really well to work out to one one situation, but I still think right now if we talk about, like LeBron is the only thing really if the Lakers like you know what LeBron were drafting for the long-term come build this thing we're building. And when your timetable right now maybe that's what they would think. But if LeBron's making this seasons I feel like he's going to have to get moved because he's just not going to deal with the nineteen year old. You've seen that over his career. Right. Like kyri to all these guys like trying to win now it's hard with nineteen year olds almost impossible. And now we transition to LeBron's fourteen Cleveland cloud Cavaliers who are stuck with what is this the fifth pick? Yeah, they were. They were clearly pining for Zaire on clearly pining. First superstar you get to the. Fifth pick. And what you're looking at is another kind of supporting player, maybe someone to pair with Cowan Sexton. But is that even a viable team building strategy? I mean, I think you're seeing with the Cavs at five like how these lottery odds are getting changed. It is tough to start from scratch, then me, like drafting five six seven for five years, you could go absolutely nowhere. Right. As the magic can attest for years. Right. Sexton was the eighth pick last year. Yup. Or ding. Yeah. He was the eighth or seventh. And just like the odds of getting an all star at that point are pretty low, so to me, like I don't even know I guess you build around, Colin Sexton. Right. We weren't neither one of us really a big sex and guy. Yeah. I I was a scoring guard. Pretty low on him. I mean he shots three very well. And, you know, he shot mid-range fairly. Well, I just don't trust his instincts in the pick and roll, and I don't know. How guard his size can kind of really fair. If you can't really navigate the pick and roll. Well. So I'm not bullish on building around him as like a cornerstone. But at this point like, what, what else are you really doing? What else can you really do? Yeah, it's tough because in on telling you that if you have Sexton running like holding the ball most the game, you'd better have a guy who can shoot around him because he's not getting very McCain's to hold the ball recipient spot up. Threes. So that's why worry about, like Jerry Culver. Yeah. If he goes to Cleveland's any spotting up off, Sexton is he looking to, to show his game, or she going to stagnate, right? And with Culver it's, it's a lot of again theoretical three point shooting ability, his his stroke isn't isn't beautiful. It's definitely not a consistent three point shot yet. And so you're asking them to play the ball when he's the kind of guy who, who can really kind of emerge and develop as a lead. Facilitator if if a team wanted him in that role. I think he certainly has the craftiness. He certainly has the poise and the patients to do it. But yeah, I it just seems like an unlikely fit. But then, but then what else can you do? Japonica draft nor combo guard. Right. So like Kobe white there, scar on her through there are not going to be drafted. Like de'andre hunter you go for a bigger player to go for like a spot up wing Connor you go. Fred, Jackson Hayes, even to pair with oh. To give them a better law target. Yeah. This kind of like early. Mid lotto, like, literally, anything after the kind of Zion, jaw race just gets kind of sad. It gets kind of really disappointing like you really have to kind of dig to find out what you want from, from these prospects. And then suddenly it, it goes back to everything that we've been talking about for this entire podcasts. Like you have to find the right fit because because of the talents knocking override a lot of it. Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, it's just like you've got to be really aggressive building out your roster. Like you've really gotta hope Chetty Osmond becomes a long-term peace. If you're Cleveland because you getting going to have to have multiple young guys if you're not gonna have a star right you start from scratch, maybe you can can you try. They love for anything at this point. You think? Yes. I mean you can trade you can trade, anyone, but are they getting you get value back though? Yeah. Are they getting value back? I, I don't. I don't think so. It definitely wouldn't be the hall that they would hope for out of you know, a guy they're paying thirty plus mill. I feel like if you're the Cavs you'd better be drafting I mean I guess his obvious. But like, I think once you're at five I would even worry about these Rangers. Like you just draft the, the player, you think is the best and the best fit for your franchise. And just you know that's why you're there. That's why he make the big bucks to make these decisions. Right. Only people like us determine it by saying, oh, this draft range. You got the draft you Andrea hundred here because this is the spotty makes sense. To me. That's really get in trouble. Yeah. And a similar team that that's kind of facing the same kind of. Identity crisis going forward. It's, it's the sons you know they they've kind of worked Booker into this lead guard role but is that necessarily sustainable given his injury history? Do they want to have another? You know, primary guy to kind of off load his responsibilities. Do they draft a point guard do or do they not? I heard this would make sense for Garland's. I don't know. But then, you're, you're so bad defense if you've garland Booker eight, but if you've gone in Booker, you're shooting a lot of threes. Right. Couldn't that be like a Dame CJ thing, eventually at the worst, not the worst, but like as a possible outcome. Right. And, you know, we haven't brought up eight yet Aiden had, you know, very efficient, you know, offensive season for the sons, one of the most offensive seasons of rookies ever had they they've clearly established a core that they. That they like yeah. I think I think that's kind of the move, right? You want us around eight and with as many three point shooters as possible, and as many guys, you can kind of create off the dribble as possible. But a Garland's gone. And then you go Kobe white, he's pretty Radic right now. He's a good shooter got sized released like as I'm doing this for doing this exercise. I kinda get the top five picks are going to be Siahaan RJ, jaw garland than reddish somewhere. I that's how I feel right now in terms of skill sets in what is contract teams. That's my suspicion right now is those top five picks. So at six what you do then. Yeah. I think I I mean right. After that, I think the bulls and sons are definitely most needy of just having someone who can play the point. So I think either of them would be fine with garland or Kobe white. I actually liked Kobe white for the sun's just he just gives them a little bit more size a little bit more leeway in terms of defense. Then garland does. So I think I think you're Kobe white. He's kind of a Radic right now, like right? Do you really want to deal with him growing into being a player that's like a, that's a long term, play, John? Hello, alec. Dwight a lot. I think he's top five overall talent. But you draft Kobe white, and it's not going to be like, really good tomorrow. Right. You're thinking when he's at the end of the content and three seasons maybe it's he's gotta figure it out. 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Get twenty five dollars off your first trip when you sign up for Toronto and use the promo code bringer twenty-five at checkout. Terms apply. I think it's time to get into a little bit of playoff news. I, I think we, we kind of have to, you know, like these conference on our I wanna talk the wolves at eleven we'll get back to that later. So I think we'll start off with the Western Conference finals game one played yesterday. It was it went about, as well as I thought it would. The, the warriors they played NS Kanner, what thirty five minutes or something. Hey, at least he had sixteen rebounds yet it's like you don't even have to watch the game. Oh, NS Kanter played thirty minutes against the warriors. I can't tell you the result. You see how often they were dropping screens on staff like that's going to work. It was ridiculous like NS Kanter at any given moment was basically way, deep in the paint, like he was behind the free throw line on any of these on any of these Steph, screens and stuff was just shooting pull ups with impunity. It was. It was it was incredible. The worst part about it at the end of the first half there was like three possessions, like ten seconds left at that Mika substitution for a smaller player. It's kind of the game anyways into the half and suffer like ten points last minute right after the game reporters were were questioning a Terry Stotts about, you know his his game plan. And they were like, oh shouldn't you be, you know, trapped in these guys a little bit more? You know, it seemed to help with rockets and he kind of like. Snapped back at them being like, oh well, you know curry when offer like thirty three in the second half against rockets are like why just like well you know because this has been proven to work from time to time. And because you can't really gauge how well a defensive laying off just one game especially in seven game series. So I'm I don't know. I'm thinking a lot more. Zach Collins we've been saying this for the entire season was that Collins, I guess, more menial at the five more like we're just running the hits right now with, with right. Even the hits like the really mediocre, like back of the cuts. This is cloud yet. Classic. Charkes Charkes 'isms. Okay. So I guess, but big picture, though, as I'm watching this, it does make you appreciate what the warriors did by playing drain on at the five. Right. There's so many teams would never have done it. Who would never have said you know, a drain on his best with a spread. Floor playing four on threes. Shooters around him will trust in the guard bigger players. There are so many teams who won't downsize against Draymond. Right. They're playing Draymond and kevon looney at center. What is the harm and playing a smaller player at that point? Right. Right. And there's so many coaches where slippery downsize well in that situation. I means if Draymond goes to Portland sea three in Portland if he goes there and never plays, it becomes, like Alfred amino. You know what I mean? Like switches about like having a player in that role. I don't know if Portland's not gonna play Al through at the four in the five. What's the point? You. Let's even crazier they are playing Alf Ruben heartless and they still had regarding Klay Thompson. Yeah. Like, why, why are you playing these two wings thinking metric a drain on Kwajalein? How much does that make like there's a lot of talk about how these warriors without Katie is kind of looked a little bit more like the warriors of old. I it kind of has a little bit more of a. Thrilling atmosphere to to their games. But part of that is just these blazers kind of look like you know, a team from two thousand fifteen that has no idea how to how to defend this, and they're playing it in such a conservative style that you're like, okay. Yeah. We're just watching a retro series from two thousand sixteen. Well, I mean it feels like they're gonna make the move probably game. Three in Portland's right. That'd be the. That'd be my guess, like they'll, they'll burn out here and gold St Louis twice, and then go smaller, and it's like you're the underdog, you can't afford to waste time with stuff. It's new. No is not gonna work, right? Like, do you really think Kanter has a chance of stay on the floor the series if you're the coach? How can you think that, like just how, but you know either way, I don't know. They have much of a chance to be honest, so. All right. Next series. Rafters box. That's that's really that's really it rafters box game one Wednesday tonight. You wrote a piece about how the raptors have kind of exercise demons a little bit in terms of leaving LeBron. But then there's another LeBron right on the horizon, right there in front of them, and you don't see this as a very good serious. Oh, I'm like I was really impressed watching that buck Celtics series. I feel like everyone's talking about how the selects imploded, but the bucks really pushed into that, put that point like they were playing like those people ball aunts, have always wanted Janos at the five, and they're running honest, the five with, like blood. So as a screener, and the pick and roll, and playing for shooters, like how do you, how do you defend that? Right. With any amount of personnel, honestly. Yeah. And I think you, you made a great point. They're, they're basically LeBron's Cavs. But with the best defense in the league. So to me, I look at, like Toronto after they maybe I'm looking. Being a prisoner of the moment and looking to Philadelphia series. But Toronto just looked so punchless after Kawai just Harkness and his twin scoring enough points. Keep up, what I have to do to stay in this series. I mean, they, they need finished past Calcio come to be healthy. I think the calf injury or whatever it was kind of slowed him down, kind of eroded at his confidence. That game seven was just like a really tough tough go was so passive. He wasn't looking to attack the ball and that's kind of his that is his biggest purpose on the team. You know as a four as a five being able to. Drive from anywhere out in the court and, and really create a lot of pressure on the defense. And he just wasn't able to do that. If they can't get one hundred percent out of him, it's going to be a rough series because they just don't have the depth. They don't have the size in their bench to really like counter, a lot of the, the kind of waves of long athletic guys that the, the bucks have. And like look when Eric Bledsoe has a bad game. They have George hill. I don't think the raptors necessarily have that kind of next man up. That's one of the big surprise surprise, but like their bench to share athlete tried to lawn right with, oh, gee being out. Really vanfleet struggling this way surprised me. I thought he had a really good second year, but he really took a step back. Yeah. And it's just rough for a guy like Manley to really take over in a playoff series. I mean look game game seven against the Sixers the the two point guard lineup Kyle Lowry. Fred vanfleet was incredible. And they really kind of galvanized the team and served as a catalyst for, for that win kind of allowed collide to take them home. But yeah, this is another series in which is going to have to take them home. And you know, when she gets matched up with Janas and at first, he's going to be get matched up with Chris Milton. These two are great defenders. And I just don't know if the rafters have the counters, but I as a raptors fan I, I can say that. Now, I want to be is on the voice of the raptors for believe. You know, I don't think it's as done ZOA as you. You just put it. I think as you're talking like with CRM. He's got to be aggressive because Jaanus loves to freelance off guys. Yeah. Like Janas is kind of like Draymond, if you can play a non shooter, it's over because you can play like file and foreign defense. He can block shots anywhere on the floor. He can get back to his man really fast. Like he's gotta be engaged on defense. So I if I'm trying to think of the raptors I planted coli dominant Middleton to the point where Janas to guard. Kawhi, that's step one like if quiets Middleton garment that they have no chance, so step one good honest on Kawai. And then if you have middle Seok on the beacon Ciocci I'm going, and then know it always goes back to g. My eight hundred lineup I need it in this series. Oh, gee, I think you're gonna say off Gonzala Baca so bad got you act them on offense and playoff them on defense. No. Absolutely. And for I think for the raptors to have a legitimate shot against this team, they need OG back. But it's not looking good. He's I think limited and practices right now I think they're gonna like reevaluate where he is in a week. That's just not enough time. It's not enough time for him to kind of get back into the game flow in and to, to have to play a you know, however many games it ends up being against the best regular season in the NBA with one of the best players in the NBA. That's a lot to ask. They need a size though. This is the last stand of Gonzalo and Lowry. I must not sure those guys going down with pop guns blazing is gonna do this is a terrible way to end the podcast. I'm hey, we should talk about stuff where we get out of here. That was awesome that yeah. Thank you. Oh, I, I just the first the first thing that popped in my head during the regular season was just like this guy's like the son of refugees, and Milwaukee's refugee community isn't very big. But it's it's unique. I think they have the biggest population of row hindia, which is that was fast. They're they are an ethnic religious minority based in Myanmar, which is facing, you know, obviously a huge refugee crisis, and are some of the most persecuted people in the world, and they the lucky ones get to arrive in America, and it's just such a struggle for them to kind of adjust to life, but they've managed in, in Milwaukee, and they're, and they're trying to build for a future. And I think Jaanus being the kind of player he is. But also with the background that he's coming from conservative, as a really strong, you know, example, really strong symbol for for. Refugees moving forward. How long were you out there? I was out there for a week talk to, you know, members of the community members of the Syrian community to two of the biggest refugee crises in the world exist in Syria exist in Myanmar. So it was just it was just a nice way to kind of put things in perspective. And, and the, the kind of impact that sports kind of has outside of just being entertainment, you know. Yeah. I mean for sure with Janas like that's part of his story. That's the reason. No one newly was until a draft. Absolutely. He couldn't clan your article. You're saying of a passport. Right. They had the draft. Yeah. Like she couldn't play for professional teams out in Greece. He couldn't play, you know how how they get discovered a lot of these international guises through hoops summit through, you know, these international courses tournaments. Yeah. Couldn't he couldn't travel outside of the country because he was undocumented. There is just no way for him to do it and the Greek. Government only gave him a passport a month before the NBA draft because he was going to kind of paint them in a favorable light. But like there, there is definitely opposition in the government that completely hate his guts, and it's like, that's something that he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Yeah. Man. It's definitely a bigger than basketball. I was an awesome story. Check it on the ringer today, or it'll be up there for awhile eligible, that's all the time we have for today. Thanks for listening. Thanks to Bobby Wagner from producing. So.

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An Update To Feed Your Need For An Update

Boomer & Gio

00:00 sec | 8 months ago

An Update To Feed Your Need For An Update

"Were you guys talking about Leon? Rose no press conference officially named as the next president will give you a one of the things he had to say for the remainder of the season. I will work tirelessly behind the scenes while evaluating every aspect of the organization. Nothing about this is easier quick so I ask for your continued patience. Then he sat there he was in attendance and the Knicks went out into those against drives jump shot. And you give Neil Akina a lot of credit. 'cause he was all over him. I mean just great defense on them and that shot could've made it but that was not an easy shot at all it wasn't any force them left after the timeout before. That westbrook blue right by your KITA. Was that the no. That wasn't the way the one point game and then Randall's able to hit one of two free throws down the stretch and you know would have been nice if he could hit both of them but either way the Knicks wound up surviving one. Twenty five twenty three Bike Miller obviously felt good. I'm so happy for this team. These players to walk in there and feel good about themselves now j Barrett. He had a season best at twenty-seven in this one He did well he was. He was just praising allocated for the defensive. You'RE TALKING ABOUT JERRY. Strappy team which we've got great big grab offense rebounds so they really helped us out a lot tonight and one. The glass sixty five thirty four. Did the Knicks. Obviously a big part of that. We know the rockets are small but still and Barrett the big bucket for me. I mean when he put them up by three. I think seven point six remaining on the Sunnis drove to the lane. He talked about that. Move so you know team really nobody grace of God. We will make a place so very thankful and we're seeing it right now looking at the play the big thing for me with Barrett in this game I'm sure you guys watch it too. That drive that he made it a three point game the possession before I'm all right and then he's able to come back. Drain the clock. Get the bucket in traffic up strong. Nineteen years old so a little bit of good fortune for the Knicks and for Leon rose to sit there and watch the one that they would just said nineteen years old and we talk about him like you know he's been Boston he hasn't been any. He's nineteen and incredible. It really is also mentioned one of the things that he thought is he starting to get right bought it with Rj. I think he's he's healthy again. I don't know if I could totally by that. I mean he's going to have is bad nights. He's a he's a rookie. He's still learning. But let's be fair but there's two guys that they're building around its Barrett Robinson. Is there really anybody else on this roster? That Leon with Randall really. Yeah I mean as long as he's GonNa play you look in sixteen rebounds last night. It would've been a little bit of an easier. Game had the nick shot better from the free. Throw line as well including Randall demonstrators. Right exactly you can't be missing those three throws that those are the things that like guys like hard and usually do. They usually make their free throws his matter of fact. I only think Houston missed. Two free throws US didn't have a great shooting night the next head of much better shooting night overall then the The rockets did and as you said they own the paint they paint rebounding and they own the paint scoring sixty four thirty six so a much bigger team much more active team in the pain and a a little bit of an off shooting night for the rockets You know from the for for their field. Goal percentage and a twenty one point lead for the Knicks went avenue six rebounds the forty two discrepancy. A good number to happen. I don't know if you if you hit your free throws late night game. It shouldn't come down to this and they still did give up one hundred twenty three points. They won the game. I know but I'm not GONNA say here. They held the rockets and ninety five points. I mean one of the things Mike Miller lite was the second unit especially Frank Ntilikina. I thought he keeps the positives with Wayne Bobby that crew Kevin. Those guys were really good with four players in double figures off the bench talking about Bobby. Portis talk about Wayne Ellington. Who's kind of hit and miss when he actually gets minutes but hit a lot of big shots at the fifteen in this one so nice job by the Julius randle he was more concerned about talking about? Rj Barrett is awareness and focus on the defensive and was really good for us and really helped us close out there. Gansu for sure. All right so he's getting better. Yeah I mean everybody obviously speaking glowingly. James Harden He went on to talk about Rj Barrett. Some of the things that he likes out of them especially the rookie at all. Gercy coffee name. So obviously he's making an impact. It was one more from hardened. And this one is the hope for every knick fan aggressive and get the opportunity they just need a point guard of significance. It's been biggest missing piece forever. It feels like especially danger basketball. I mean who was the last good point guard? I mean Charlie Ward and that's not even that good. He was just trials Mark Jackson. No third incarnation. When he was a two thousand one when he was older. I don't I really don't know I mean it's been that long for this team and they can't they try. I mean they. We've had moody in Hugh we've had all sorts of guys in here. Marbury different type of point guard but yeah but that's been the point in Belleville first up this morning on a Tuesday on the fan and CBS. Sports Network was banned board. Jerry Marco. Oh what do you get that chair? Patients pay taxes. I thank God mark the theme of the day patients. Should I have with you? Really? I mean I just want to make sure you get a chair. You're very happy with so something that you pick out on on on your own when you're going through the Internet and then you go. This looks something. Gets you a chair? And you don't like it because yellow gag out here you try to number of chairs and none of them is. I go back to my office. Used sneak out of here right moult. You don't come in and check with me. It's like I gotTa go find you. Right is that that is true. I have noticed that ever since I started complaining about this chair. Is You kind of sneak at here? I ghost that what it's called yet. Ghosting ghosting my no. You're having texting conversation with someone. And then they stopped responding. That's that would be the right ghosting. Yeah well in like a dating situation or just energy like someone you think your making inroads with all of a sudden they disappear. That's got to be frustrating. All right so let's have a meeting after. Show a chair meeting Jeremy. All right I think you tell him share you want. You'll have that chair within two days in terms of the TV. Maybe stop throwing Lacrosse balls at the screens. But don't give me. We'd still across walls on. Give me a baseball. Don't give me full longer to thrown. I was just born to throw. What can I tell you unfortunately the TV's over my head. At this point it's being worked on by higher ups past my I let them know they're now dealing with at work on. Cbs is involved that they end is involved. Cbs. Because no one knows who's responsibility is the put heat right. I and that's what I did it. And that's that's what's throwing off the system now. No one knows who's really responsible because you did it the first time we work for communication companies. I just saw them putting Jain Norma's screens out there in the sales area which I don't think people I think therefore the traffic people. I think we did see we saw about fifteen boxes of. Tv's right in the hallway. Yeah why don't you go grab those gone? They've already put them earning would've been a great idea. I would have been Marco continues My Dantonio talked about that. They just thought that Houston came out a little too. Slow I three especially for condemning. What somebody else did tremendous do you? View of the The clip of Dantonio. Talking about the fact that the knicks seventeen president and I couldn't find found his press. I couldn't paraphrasing something along the lines of well. The Knicks team president shocking. Yes I couldn't find it. That was the one thing that was really trying to but I mean he was part of the. The Knicks blender was roller. And see what happens is genius. I mean he got a little bit of a bum rap at the same time. He was his own worst enemy. I mean they brought in Carmel and that and that thing didn't work and it did Carmelo went down there for three weeks. Would you say the Lin Sanity to three weeks is the best stretch you've seen in the last seventy years has to be right was a fifty four forty six but that fifty four win team you know how about how about the team to the playoffs for the Mars? Start Tomorrow fister. The glass himself was that is in Miami right when he punched the glass. Yeah and they himself. Didn't they like drop balloons from the ceiling? Because they swept wasn't it might have down three nothing and won a game. I might be the same year. I don't remember but yet the Isaiah Thomas. Welcome back to the playoffs. No one the same year that were that ten thousand four next thing got swept by the nets. Right yeah welcome back. Welcome Austin Grandma by I feel bad for the young kids. I just hope they get a chance to actually feel what it's like to be in a playoff run here before too long that that's the sad thing of all of it. The changing of players the draft picks that don't pan out and they never really ever get an opportunity to see what a nick fan would be like in the playoffs because that place is crazy for Nick playoff boomer again the the the degree minutes of that game last night you would have thought this was a second place team challenging the bucks for the one seed which is and that to me. If you're a free agent or a player that could be traded for. I've got to see that man. This place they suck and look at those. You give the fans a lot of credit last night and for most of these games at their in their into it. I don't know where they come from but you give them credit. They're actually into these games. Still they're starving for it and it's funny to Leon Rose. You wince everything feels good right. It's a good night for the next all the way around. And they still find a way to make the bad headlines. Spike Lee caught on camera. This is Bro Talk. Live pod Bro. Talk Live pa. That's right found. It's I gotta give some credit because legit likely attempted apparently trying to use an entrance at the garden the media entrance and this is this is what we wind up getting from spike. Not One home only so. That's by talking to the security. Apparently the gardens there was some miscommunication. They thought he got around to the game. He didn't he was in his seats. He was there till the end so I know what he's using. He's using the. He's using the employee entrance the media on a heaven media employees entrance and and I'm sure security has said no more use of this other than just employees for whatever reason. I don't necessarily know that it was directed at spike and spike is yelling at people that are doing their job. They're just doing their job. That you think they want to be in some sort of confrontation with Spike Lee. For God's sake no but I do now if this is a repeated action I get it. This is a one time thing you let the guy in and I know it's not a one time thing this if he goes to the VIP entrance on the other side of the garden. He'll go up to his floor and walk right now. L. Aware to where his seats are his seats. Are On the other side of the Gordon. I gotcha where he's going into the garden. You tell me it's not a one time thing then I get in free time and spike. Lee's you know. Look whatever you want. He's a Nick Fan. He dresses up like the also. Let them in. But I I understand why you know the the. Security's doing their job. They're told to do something. There's no yet it to yell at somebody doing their job like that. That's just go round inside. Walk in the elevator will take you right to your floor and you walk right out to your seats. It's not that hard and I'm sure they have. Vip's sweet where you can go up in between and halftime the in between the Ranger Games. And they'll you know if you're like. Spike Lee celebrity type. They'll let you go up there and Kinda hide a little bit. So you're not besieged by autograph seekers and stuff like that and they'll treat your great and they normally do so. I don't know this is the shame that that happened. And if you couldn't hear the audio a little bit he was talking about Oakley you yeah just to make sure that everybody because the first time I heard it. It was a little difficult to understand. You say you're gonNA treat me like Oakley and we obviously know what happened with Charles Oakley. What was he? I don't think spike was snot faced. Ob was. I don't think he was doesn't seem I. Guess what I saw the Games he cooled off the Kubo in the box. Snap their six game win. Streak one zero five eighty nine six of eighteen thirteen points. Of course coming off the forty-one Twenty Board report performance against the Hornets. But what he can do they. You Win some Gaggle listening gates like you're not going to go edison. Oh No. They're not Bowls they up in the Mavericks One nine one seven this last night time out. Did you see this in this game? No I was GONNA play the last shot. Did you see this is how the game ended the baseline holding lookie throws the ball court? Down it spits comes up shooting mid it is the real at the BUZZER. Oh my goodness the bulls escape with a nine seven victory. There was a point in this game. I want to say second quarter. Jim Teams coming up the floor there. It's not a fast break. But they're moving towards the hoop and he calls time outright as they're going in for a wide open and Luca Danni look who's laughing at them. What are you doing man? It happens long season. That's bulls radio by the way pace down the spurs one. Sixteen one eleven grizzlies put a beat down on the Hawks won. Twenty seven eight This was pierce afterwards. Not I don't know where to teach you can't teach effort you can talk about it Effort is effort trae young. Yeah I was GONNA say Trae Young. We talk about them putting up fifty a game sometimes the rough on last night. Cj mccollum forty one. The Blazers lead the magic one. Thirty one O seven. That's good for the nets jazz. Too Much of the cavs one twenty six one thirteen a couple of games in college basketball not a whole lot on the schedule. Baylor was able to survive Texas Tech. Seventy one sixty eight. That was an overtime Duke. Snapped a mini two-game skid they overwhelm NC state eight hundred sixty nine. Meanwhile the thing that Kinda got the headlines from this one Misha Chef Ski Coach K. Was On learfield. Img College Jerry alerted me to this. Was this morning. It was a little bit difficult to find but he was talking about social media and all the different things and kind of getting the kids layoff that. And maybe come after me so this is a little long but these kids are eighteen and nineteen years old. I mean you can question my coaching. And what the Hell and then when you do question by the way just come into Cameron and woke up in the ceiling. All right and then then find out if you should question. That advocate a little annoyed. Because here's what here's what happens. I mean I think you know this too and I don. I wonder how how you would have reacted when you played the social media with these kids obviously a big deal for everybody. Yeah we've got people on the staff that low social media and that's fine it's become a way values. Yes that's fine and I think you have to. It's become a news breaking source but it also is a source of you suck. I saw everybody sucks. And everybody's very happy to tell you that that's right up here. Well Yeah because I don't use it in that way although I certainly take the slings and arrows and that's fine. I'm forty five so be it. These kids are eighteen. Nineteen years old and just get beaten up and we forget that they're kids be students and yes some of them really do go to school as as well as play basketball and a lot of these coaches have had enough of it. You Tom Izzo did the same thing with the fans I would say about a month ago. Just destroyed the fan base for killing the student athletes. And so it's interesting that these big time coaches are starting to do this now. I don't know how it will be received by the fellows to and the other thing too is sometimes it's a lot of the opposing team's fans going after the kids. I don't know how you fix it. I guess you don't. You can't fix it you know. That's the thing about. It's not just the kids in college. Kids that are playing in the in the majors. You're at the upper question. It's a different world man and that's is. Would you be the one when you play? Because you're on social media to for your job back in the day when you play with you have been tied to your phone. I I can't I don't know I probably would have been. I think I would have been I. I try to understand where the younger kids are coming from. And you know we talk about with buddies all the time about how guys get caught up in these twitter feuds and all that other stuff and how ridiculous it seems to us who never went through this crap unless we said something in the newspaper then we were in a feud through the newspaper but at least at least the athlete has the voice of themselves. They WANNA put it out there. They could also do it in an athletic as well. Right arm what show jeeter one player nicotine there as well so at least the athlete does have an outlet to get his own or her own voice out there. I guess that's a good thing. But to get locked up with some knucklehead that is so probably faceless right who cares because there's probably people out there trolling all the time you know that.

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Lloyd Pierce of the Atlanta Hawks on Life Inside the Bubble

Court Vision Podcast

00:00 sec | 3 months ago

Lloyd Pierce of the Atlanta Hawks on Life Inside the Bubble

"His is important now than before. Where you see another African American coming up in the ranks, you have a lot of respect. Respect all people but you see a guy Coaching different teams working his way up. Now. has his own team Atlanta's like for me. It's like. Not necessarily, a breath of fresh air but it's like a sense of relief because I see the hard work is paying all been people are paying attention You know go review I. Obviously had a guy like. This who was an Meyer by so many people in. Of. To. Be. Israeli. Guide, how important was it? For A veteran on your team, my debts to no Kinda. Exist with bill young guys where Yeah I think your first point. I think. That from afar admiration a lot of that comes with You know you just you just grow up seeing you know. I. Think we all understand African Americans. You See african-american athletes and see rappers and the actors, and you see kind of high profile. But some of the behind the scenes stuff you wanna see you'll see a lot of general managers in any sports coaches in any sport and owners and unique sports. So I, I understand what you're saying 'cause it's the same kind of feeling I. There's Times I wake up and believe I'm head coach of NBA team. I'm just a regular old. Do you know to me? It's kind of who I am I who you know like working out guys I got a little bit older I don't as much. And I get to coach and Oh. By the way I'm head coach So it's it's pretty surreal for me. To even acknowledge that. but it's also one of those things where the more I think about it. The more of a responsibility it is for me to exemplify what a coach can look like. And and that's been kind of a real chart for me. And so when I get the job here. And you realize they're going to get a player like bents join the team. You know. That's that's a lot of Heavy. Burden that I can place on him to help me as a first time head coach. because there's so many dynamics that I'm still learning and having to learn. But then there's other things that I I need to get some support and so eventually, the ultimate because he was always a team guy as always been and it's a coach's dream to have someone that you know in the locker room can relate to net interact with the players but also filled there's a sense of comfort that you know I'm not getting stabbed in the back events matching being supported you know messaging I'm trying to get young is is the same thing that he's doing in the locker room from a completely different perspective and he's also doing it on the court. So. You know as a young guy is trying to show that it's possible. For. African. American to be a head coach especially first time head coach. To get that opportunity you need a lot of things that go your way to keep those opportunities coming and having a guy like Brinson locker room was was was great for me and has been great for me. I mean I went through situations. Later, in my career where late for head coaches some younger, some older They. For some reason felt threatened by me they felt like I was gonNA stab one of back felt like I wasn't. GOING TO TAKE THEIR MESSAGE IN coaching staff I had a you know when I was trying to play after the I was had a conversation with the coast and I said look I'm here for you extension of you. I'm going to be the best locked room, God you have. If I don't play the twenty, eight, thirty, three games I'm still going to be me, I'm GONNA. Lead to team. Guys respect me guys won't trust me in. Going to be snitching guys, he's doing as he's on that. But but I am on keep guys said you need to have your locker room be able to police itself so that takes him to burn off you. I give you credit for being comfortable in your skin. is so some coaches who are like I, system young, some of them are older that I've come across who threatened by a guy like myself who? Me I felt like a big. You know. Has. been. detriment to my career I feel like he's one of the best coaches ever coast the game of basketball in terms of his basketball myself. I do think I know a lot about the game just because of the various that I. Come across my career but also that he taught me. And I think I think some of those things that I know they told me kind of threaten other coaches in kind of hurt me later my career bit. Yeah I think One of the things also say they've been on five different teams as coach. and. They're all different every owed Jerry. Organization, every situation you know. When I was in Cleveland, YOU'RE IN ORLANDO. You know competing for championships your you know I've I've been a part of that experience of hearing Atlanta we're building through the draft difference to different situations You know we were right there with you guys. and. Now we're we're back here trying to get there in Aspen takes some time in the same situation filial at you know previous five years. So I think the coaches, general managers, the organization no, there is A. You know hopefully, share philosophy that all those organizations have and. Understanding what that is so US Our example here. Last two years we've had six. Know Top thirty top forty picks basically. Two. First round picks and then thirty four pick. Then the previous year three first round picks. And so We understand we're GONNA play young guys. And so. I think. As a whole you have to understand. Now it's how do we built the rest of the roster? Is this bet that's GONNA come in? IS HE GOING TO BE GUIDE? It's going to say they're going play in his young over me. We know he can't handle it. Right from the start. And then and then out. So that's that's one way of looking at it, and then you have to go to the coach and so I'm only speak for myself and no one else cause I. Don't I don't I don't go that way. For me I don't have I have. No. Discomfort, when anyway I actually I like controversy. Like people that are going to hold me accountable I don't mind like if you're going to give it to me. Let me give it back to you and if I give it to you I'm GonNa. Let you give it back to me like it has to work that way I. It, ain't personal to me. You know if you get personnel linnet, it will be personal but take it that way you know you piss made it best to was so be it. But if you don't come to me prior to and say coast, let's do this scheme at I. Think this is going to work in an you kill me in the media after back communication. Is In a meeting. You Guys WanNa head you WANNA blitz. You didn't say anything then after we should have been out there listen. I gave an opportunity. I hope that's how it works. I don't I tell my guys all the time. I'm never GONNA blast you and media. I just don't work that way. You know you know how was such such an and how'd you think his defense? What's I thought? Our defense was awful. Sa You. Grab your man I'm not calling one guy out or. I'll say that's on me. Our defense has to be better how defense and I think it was no, it's on me. Our deepest wasn't good and it starts with me and I gotTA. Help him get better than I had to help him get better and we have to be better, and so the comfort level of a veteran presence or competitor or whatever the case may be has to be up to the coach and some people just. Some people may not be threatened by, but some people may say, I just don't want to deal with it right and this is how I look. This is how I break now. The need for me, what the roster for like every team every NBA team fifteen mayor roster. You got three guys that you know who are the guys, right? and. and not necessarily like. I coached up when I was in Golden State. He's not a high maintenance guy to me. I don't consider him high maintenance fees, easygoing coach -able but most teams have three high maintenance guys. That that sound accurate. So you you'd think it's personality whatever always something then you got about. or You want to have for me I like I don't mind having three guys. But I can't have. You can't have. A breakdown in high maintenance you know. Some maintenance and no maintenance. I need a lot of nomads guys that are really if I had three high maintenance guy I need a lot of lot. No make no maintenance guys zero maintenance and then you're gonNa have you know some guys that a little bit of maintenance? You know need attention Need to be included the not high maintenance, but need a little something. Every once in a while. But when you say that so when I was in Denver. Mike Miller Israeli not sure he added. We would we would have this and. We will talk all the time airport together. During our beer in restaurants in the night before game whatever and. He. was mean we need we need a bunch of guys on this team that are happy to be here. Because you going ahead of the guys that need in one in they want that attention you guys that I think that's what we had so much success in. ORLANDO. We had. We had a couple guys egos. One maybe maybe to. Say No names but the rest the rest of the guys we just happen to be out there like we showed up the practice and it was like fun we showed up to the game like are we going is a group that the battle they wanted to go out there and try to accomplish the same goal You know there was no agendas involved. It was all. Let's trying to win I think Ozmet with GM net like he put a bunch, a high character guys together And I think we use the first year for the first time. Hey, coach like that's important to find guys that are happy to be there like, Hey, listen and he's GonNa run that wall for two minutes for me instead on a bitch and be happy with the guys gotTa has set and you and You know if if even, let's say your top five, say you're starting five if your entire starting five needs a basketball you're in trouble. You know needs the basketball. And the compliment of how you have a roster and so just going back to your original point. You know if someone some reason thought in your situation that. Maybe, you were low maintenance, not necessarily no maintenance below maintenance just because you've got a voice. So some people threat to me I'm like, please show up I need some voices I gotTa Gun, team, I, need some voices. So I'm I'm looking for voices I'm looking for confrontation to be honest with you. Had A locker room with great guys, young guys and not a lot of voice I want voice. I want competitors, professionals, and I walked confrontation. Confrontation is a challenge a competitive challenge they may you gotta get back. A comb. Let's miss a coach. Let's do this like it's challenging everyone, and now we're all being held accountable. Like you said, you wanted to do that. You make sure they know the coverage and so when knows mess up somebody blows the coverage? It isn't coach gun running his. This is the defensive scheme we agreed upon. We're holding each other accountable. So I don't mind I'm actually looking for. Some maintenance guys some guys that are going to cause. I got I got a couple of guys that I don't even consider them maintenance guys. You got to push him a little bit that that's not made to me is it's the guy that coachmen and only two shots I got you draw this up for you real quick. That's low maintenance. It that Gets. Twenty shots like. Three more complaints calling for me. It's never enough. So you expect every team has three high maintenance. Guys was in Philly Joe Joylin bees a high maintenance guy. But like you know that that's not the issue every team has. Got To balance it you gotTa have some guys at the end of the roster as well. That are that are beyond no maintenance show up work. Throw, the towel on the bench like their their role in everything no main. You'd never have to worry about them. Actually you get to use them to throw them a bone from time to time because they earn. It S at no maintenance. You just figure out how to deal with that in between so. I. I do think that I you know I think everyone has a different philosophy of how they build out there. 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Don't forget to sign up and take advantage of all the welcome back to sports bonuses Bet Online, your online wagering experts, and the official sponsor of the Court Vision podcast coach. A lot of people I don't know you know we talked about saying your journey to be an head coach and you started right as a volunteer at Santa Clara right I mean that's been restored as a volunteer or something something that. Realm. When you start up. So my first year, my head coach offer me a job whenever I was done playing. I. Just played overseas for a couple of years and that was just like I'm done. I went to Turkey came back and said, I, I'm done I'm not living in Turkey for the next ten months. and he had promised me a job. About two years. Prior he whenever you're done you know you're done and I think you should get into coaching so. When I got back it was like November and You know it wasn't like he could just make me an assistant coach. I decided just volunteered that whole year working at A. Kind of A. A high school and I'm trying to think of the name for like a transitional high schools kids at you know a lot of them had add adhd. have been kicked out of their normal schools and this was Kinda. Last last ropes a lot of disciplinary a lot of routine a lot of kids that were Medicaid? trying to assist them. I just worked there for year? In made money that way in volunteer coaching at Santa Clara. In the next year, you got a full time position as an assistant coach Mike. It was my head coach who I played for Santa Clara? was that tough transitioning from? You said, you live in Turkey that long that talk to say, Hey, I'm not going to be a player anymore and be coaching. What was that transition? No You know I think. If you've been overseas and you've played overseas, you know it's not for everybody. I went over there. I played in Germany the year before out there for ten months and loved it. But mentally, you're just blank. You know this is this is like right when the Internet was starting. So it wasn't like you had a lot of. Activity I want as May showing your age. Is. To to you know I was over in Germany when nine eleven hit so that That's Right. I remember I was dating a girl out there. And she called me and I'm sleep. And she's like, what are you doing some sleep this afternoon out on in Germany and she's like turn on a new there with the helicopter crash in her plane crash in the US not you know my mind I'm like. Crafts and you know you turn on You know forget the international channel. The news channel which you turn it on, and then you see the magnitude of it and it's just like, wow. But that's kind of that's how I got my information that news channel Back then you're playing, you're there for ten months no Internet you watch movies all the time teammate east to boot Dalo bootleg movies, things like that. That's how I did every night. So for ten months just you're mentally like nothing you're not using your mind on anything has nothing to do. I'm just there to play basketball and go out has basically what I'm doing still my twenty s. and. So when I was when I was going back the following year Turkey came up. I was like a half foot in a half without I wouldn't. Really. You know like this is going to be like, what am I gonNA? Do an awkward Turkey for the next TEN MONTHS Germany was great, low, more Americanized and modern for me. I got to Turkey and I was like. I know I. Don't know if I can do it again and I couldn't I was I was done. So it wasn't once I said I I went over there and I'm glad I went over there to really know that I was done. What would you think about the bubble I mean for me? I think. That's the best decision has been made in sports so far that you know. The restore any In any Professional Sports Leagues Afar NBA bubble. But I, it's been talked about it's GonNa be a double astros. Next were when the championship because every tested so many things in so many ways in morsel mentally This year being with family not things things. Everything's differ for I mean guys are used to having shafts masseuse their own bar like all that stuff is different in pushing a comfort zone Things, you don't have to worry about not course was season. Now seeing you know. Everything is new for these guys. Snow crowd was like level. I watched the game last night I really good to tell the difference. You know what I'm saying they did a great job of keeping a focus on according to guys. But other things that you know for me? I. Was Still A. I'm sure I will have trouble with. I Love I love to go to a good restaurant. Watch other sports so I would probably been the net state of mind where you're talking about overseas like what do I do? Well I think. I start saying the one decision I'm not happy with that. We're not there. I wish. I wish I mean when you think of the totality is. You know. This is such a unique situation for everyone that They did a great job and I wish they would have been able to give everyone an opportunity. to resume basketball because we all got we all got short you're. So I wish we would have had an opportunity for a couple reasons because they've done a great job. It's it's it's tremendous what the NBA has done to put this together. But you know what? I'm selfishly speaking now but I think in general when you think of the just take our league in in its entirety. Our League will be able to remain strong because of the bubble. I have what we'RE FIGHTING HERE IN ATLANTA CLEVELAND DETROIT. Golden State, all the teams that aren't there. One of the beauties of sport. Is that element of just taking all the noise out and bringing a group together to achieve a goal? In Twenty, two teams are getting an opportunity to do that, and the thing that bothers me the most isn't the basketball. It's the fishing that the guys get to do the swim races that they're doing in the poll, the movie nights that they're having watching John Lewis. The practices that they're having and then the dinners are probably eating together This is training camp. These guys are having tremendous training camp experience for three months, two months or a month for some. That's GonNa keep them connected and that's going to keep the integrity of our sport. where it is through a very turbulent time and those guys were really getting a benefit and for me I, you know I got a young team. You know we're we are now cy. But the thing we need the most? Is. The same experience as happening in the bubble and and I'm going to show your age a little bit too because I think you're going to be able to identify what this Art Jamir. When we all started playing basketball. He weren't eating fine restaurants where you are now. You didn't really care about the noise. You just trying to get it when you know when you was Saint Joe's and you just trying to get it, you didn't care where who wear to best where's the best run in Philly? That's where I'm at. This is Kinda what this is. These guys are just trying to get it they. You know the game was taken away from them and they got it back. Now you realize man I don't need to pull up with my Lambo to the gym. I'm just showing the WHO, and that's all that matters tonight. In an afterwards. Doesn't matter where we go eat. Let's just eat together. Yup, just bond and do it together after we train. I got nowhere to go some stick around and thirty. MORE MINUTES OF SHOTS UP So they're getting the purity of the sport back by being in the bubbling I think hopefully when they come out of Orlando. They'll remember why started playing in. No had that feeling again because they just got to experience and so we don't know when the next season's going to start but I do know what they they'll have a greater appreciate appreciation going into next season as well we. Were being deprived basketball for a long time. I hope. We appreciate the gang when it's given back when it's when we get about. I gather you would. Would you be a not opposed to eighteen bubble that talked about September October get those teams running. What's what's going up? We talked about everything and we're still sitting here in Atlanta so. Ask whatever we get and whenever we get back, we'll have a greater appreciation for it. No matter what. from for. Is Advice for you Have a young team. I think is important in this idea with my team in Orlando. Kind of put my team in the situation. Now, we weren't in a bubble. But I forced my teammates to come to where I was. In, we're GONNA before week. and. That bill which is trying to get in your team that bill. decarava built that together that built that trust where me myself pay for. Everything to show these guys that I'm with, you know what I'm saying once we get in the trenches owner, of course, it game gorsuch season. It made it easy for me to say Yo. You're out of line get back on defense as a bad shy like that type of stuff. Now me money but it was it was it was that important for me to do that led. Working out hanging out at night for weeks straight no family. Just us. An I mean, this is the challenge of time for an right. Now it's you know we're we've tried and we're still trying. We'll be fine. We're our guys have been tremendous here in Atlanta there. You know I just came back from the gym I'm still in stuff. because the guys are doing the individual workouts, a practice, which is all were permitted to do right now and they've been tremendous with that. But so the point you're talking about one of the things events did you know we do our breakfast club meetings Every year since I've been here, players get to speak to the team about whatever they want to talk about just our way of getting to know each other. So Lash my first year. The last breakfast club we did was Vince and we did. We did his when we were in Orlando and we did shoot around at his house. So he did his breakfast club after shoot Arou- and he basically talked about he said I just want to show. You guys my house. Not to Brag or boast. But I wanNA show you what I've invested in me. I have a gym. I. Have a weight room have a hot and cold up and I have all these things so that I don't I don't need to hire someone and I don't need to go anywhere. I'm investing in myself I always have access to a gym to work out and this gym. Now you all have access to this gym to come work out. He says he's absolutely the best runs in Orlando because people come here and play. And he was saying that in the same breadth that you're saying you know as as a player. You guys all have to basically hold each other accountable and create your own bubble will part of part of the challenge with the covert and in what you know where to guys go and how do we test you got any workout together. Technically, right That issue but this is where I said I'm looking for I'm looking for some some I'm looking for leadership, the converse voices I'm looking for. Because I. got a bunch of young guys that are on their first and second year deals. That are like they're just trying to figure out how to even get to gym. Right. You know trying to host the team. You know those things are foreign to them that experience and a part of it has been gave them kind of a glimmer of it when we were at his house, but they've never experienced that they'd never variance. Set this year. We had already started talking about in February. We had already planned out the Weigo's singles the third week in August we will go to La as team. He'd open La train out there play at UCLA. Let Them Bon conon same way at your Sanit you know let's not wait and just do everything. No. Most you guys want to go to L. A. or go out. Here, let's just do it. We'll bring the coaches out which working guys out but you guys go to Ucla and hoop every day and as a group you guys bond you guys enjoy you guys come together that way. So we were already planning that stuff and we've been trying to do it but we're just in one of those unique situations in our life right now. This time last summer I was at emory probably like. Not Maybe earlier, but like five times a week prospects in all the time, what's been the challenge is. To, learn about who you're. GonNa draft pick learn about their psyche. You learn about what they are like in a gym because you can't see them in person. I listen in our. Scouting meetings. Like I said we had six draft players in the last two years. The seventh is not too much of a concern for me. More I'm looking for vets said I'm looking for leadership I'm looking for voices We're being educated are scouts luckily and thankfully do work prior to. So it's not like we need to cram and watch guys come to Atlanta and workout for sixty minutes session and know that that's who we're going to draft. You know the work you do from high school to to. To a peace jam to you know the thing in Portland that they do the USA world game that they do all those tournaments that these top prospects have played in. That's the film that we have as information we have in addition to the institute away. So. We miss out on a portion of it that we normally get. But a lot of the work has been done on these guys. The Intel is really. At this stage really the most important. You know what kind of kid is he? Kind of kid has he been? We know he's talented. Loop we'll try and project like can end up being, but it's really important to get the into and I think now we actually have greater access to getting the until now, we don't have to just rely on the athlete in their skillset trying to find out like talking about high character. We have some high character guy that will we want to add to the program what will let you go coach. Thank you for hopping on with US I. Hope Everything goes wealthier stay safe and healthy. Yeah appreciate appreciate. It goes definitely ruefully that always appreciate that I appreciate it.

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"Why goggle versus beyond the beltway now of Nanto Bowling League tapering Innuendo all up by a Tamil political insiders powerbrokers public professor and most importantly played the American from tonight featuring commentary by Republican Republican Mike Miller from the Paul University Beautif Sherwin them pro trump Republican from Lila University and Chris Perone a trump critic and author public relations executive are pulling their night something them while at the Museum of broadcasting got up in the fallen Angel Harvey Radio Studio or our phone lines are open at one eight hundred seventy three eighty twenty nine? That's one eight hundred seventy three eighty nine email me domino gets Bruce Dumont two thousand nineteen at gmail.com we want to we had common. It's at Zumo at K._O._M._O.. And of course you can join us on the World Wide Web beyond the Beltway Dot Com and that is not only tonight show but if you're missing show in the past you can find it there and of course we're live on facebook as well as we are live on youtube so that's how you can find this. We prepared this show for thirty nine years and in thirty nine years I think only once or twice has a guest not showing up and at this moment. I don't know whether it's his fault or my fault. I'll take full blame board but again we do not have our guest this evening who was going to represent <hes> the democratic physicians and the American Civil Liberties Union Peter Hannah who you have seen on this program in the past it may very well be that he'll show up in the middle of the show but I don't think that's the case because I believe an error has been made and again the air might have been mined and certainly I will take full credit for. I guess you take credit for a blame so what we have this evening as we have a we have a variety of Republicans we have Republicans that are very pro-trump. We have one who's the very critical and we have one who sort of likes donald trump now but didn't like him very much when he was running for president and he's acknowledged on this show that he didn't vote for him so that I think represents a lot of people in this country so that it isn't necessarily an even divide at the moment binary choice between a Republican Democrat so we're GonNa have our discussion this evening. Some maybe maybe a little more to the right than you would like it to be but I'll try to be a devil's advocate on some of these points in a one of the things that was going to be the major topic of discussion it turned out to be maybe not as major as it turned out and that is the report for uh-huh from Robert Muller and I want to go to judy because you are an attorney you watch the hearings. You've certainly followed this case for ad infinitum since it's been going on what was your what was the high highpoint and a low point for his testimony in your view <hes> well. I think that the the low point probably the little blind in the high point I think really revolves around the same issue and that was the issue of whether or not the failure to <hes> bring a charge against the president in connection with obstruction of justice had to do with the office of Legal Counsel Opinion Dan you can't indict a sitting president <hes> Ted Lieu <hes> sort of got out of him <hes> not completely clear statement that well yeah maybe that was on his mind in that wasn't why he charged them and then he went to lunch and he came back and he started off the afternoon by saying well. That's not really what I said and that's not the right way to say it. I did not make a decision on obstruction yeah and and I think that was really <hes> I point because the Democrats are trying to well. They're trying very hard to ignore the fact that the report says there is no conspiracy. They're trying very very hard to avoid the fact that as far as the legal term is concerned. There's no such thing as collusion unless you're talking about antitrust which we're not talking about so that that issue they can't deal with that right and they can't deal with the fact that now they have no obstruction either so they have to try and make it up to the South Christopher onus you are. You're not you're critic of the president. You're also professional public relations executive <hes> is is this story story to the to the general public which may not even have what any of the hearings is. Is this case clear to them or not. I think I think clear who the good guys and the bad guys Dr based on <hes> on the way with us and the Democrats have I've used the publicity vehicles of the last three years to Shear anti-climax of the release the original release of the Miller report in April was was clear there was no slam dunk and then you're going to go and drag a seventy four year old retiree out of retirement nations that asked him to conduct an investigation collusion you drag them up there kicking kicking and screaming and you expect him not to defend his report and this is an outcome. I felt like everyone saw was coming. That noise that everyone heard after the hearing was the prospects for impeachment dying nine and this is silly of the Democrats to do this clearly set themselves up for failure not dying in the house. I it may be die I in coffee table then cocktail Nancy but I'm sure not not want this. They're slow boating it. She said it herself in the press conference that they're going to pursue action the courts which could take months and there's a prevailing sentiment that if you don't do impeachment in September it's over over because why have a presidential election. Why are you giving people the vote to choose between two candidates? If you've got an impeachment process happening on a parallel track Meller your reaction I I wouldn't believe that respond to principles and I want people to be treated fairly I was. I guess the only word I could use outrage that they prep. They brought up this idea. Did you exonerate the president. They asked a prosecutor. Did you exonerate the breath. Since when does a prosecutor exonerate all they do is they present the evidence and for these people they know this and in spite of it they try to make it sound of the American people that somehow he's guilty because he wasn't exonerated and the second piece if a prosecutor acute has a bunch of evidence but it leads nowhere the idea that you would then present that evidence and smear people even though it's not enough for you to say these people are guilty and you should you should have a hearing regarding the obstruction I think if he had nothing that he could stand behind it was obstruction. He should've just there should not have been a part to a chapter tap so there should have been chapter one and his idea of exoneration is just preposterous with this table believes that an n. p.. An impeachment of the president is a good thing for him politically okay so I think he makes it wouldn't even further as you said I'm the person who did not vote for him right. I'm so afraid of the Democrats and I find trump to be an interesting man. I really like the court appointments and so forth. I think it could it could <hes> drive people like me and others who are kind of on the fence regarding this guy hi to vote for him because of the the basic unfairness of what is going on I I would agree. I would like to get the reaction from anybody <hes> listening to the program this evening <hes> based on what you saw last week with the military is there anything that you heard <hes> that that changed your opinion or just solidified your pin and we'll come back. We'll get more comments from our guests and we'll also talk about a variety of other things when we roll on from Chicago. Hello I'm ruth. 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I study with us one eight hundred seven two three eighty to eighty nine is the phone number. Many Democrats are arguing that there's enough out there that the there should be an inquiry and and many in the house believe that there should be impeachment proceedings against the president and some of the more practical members including I think the speaker is basically saying. Do we really want to do this because it may tick off the public and they're going to take it out on us and we don't think the Republicans are going in the Senate are GonNa vote to convict him anyway. So they're making a political calculation. There's some people who are running for president that say forget the political calculation the Democrats have responsibility now to impeach to inquire and impeach and they may not make it but they but they may be setting a standard that if all the things that are out there now if that's not enough to call for an inquiry and impeachment what the Hell is in the future. What sort of smoking gun are we going to demand in the future and that really those that are looking at this purely as a political thing? I really not doing what the founding fathers PAT in mind. Is there truth to that question when you said that all the things that are out there now all right theories in anything out there Dow I've dealt with defending people who've been accused accused with obstruction of justice and what the president did does not rise to that standard number one number two you have to have a corrupt intent. They have no idea what what his intent was because there isn't enough there from even to begin to infer what was going on are you. Are you as a Republican. I WANNA ask everybody here. Are you comfortable with will the level of conversations that were going on with Russians or Russian operatives in every based on what's out there okay based on what's out there. Every campaign talks thanks to foreign governments. Every campaign does all right and the fact that there were I mean Paul Manafort had a Ukrainian connection. I'm sure he talked to Ukrainians. There are people who knew Russians this popadopoulos populace both was talking to various foreign ambassadors and also had connections with Israel. I mean they talk to other countries. That's part of what goes on during a campaign I mean Jeff sessions meets the Russian ambassador at a reception with hundreds of other people around and shakes his hand I mean do. We really think that there's a plot going on this apply. It bothers me okay. It bothers me like on a moral level. If anything anything <hes> just to see the president United States standing next to a guy who said to be the richest man in the world and one of the most ruthless Vladimir Putin like his lapdog yeah there are a lot of presidents or I'm sorry there are a lot of presidential campaigns that talk with foreign governments but <hes> if you just put that it by itself that might that might look innocuous but coupled with the every single state election database was hacked or there was. As an attempt for that to happen that's really really troublesome and I would like to see more moral leadership on the part of the president is especially because Republicans championed anti-communism Azzam in the supremacy of the West for so many years I assuming that the trump campaign knew that Russian nor hacking and it and it wasn't every state of whoever was one state. It's a problem you really thinks that Donald Donald trump be less submissive when ever the name Vladimir Putin plus Keno yeah it bothers me but again. I'M GONNA go back to keep invoking principles the obstruction idea the man is innocent. He did not conspire. If everybody kept saying things about me I would be angry when I knew that they were untrue and I would say to my friends behind closed close-door certain things which will sound bad if put into the public my fear is what we're trying to do is we're trying to make illegal thought crimes and that's so nineteen eighty-four it really at scares me so you do not support even any any inquiry based now two years okay we've had tumors and here's the other piece of the principal. If this is so important then why is not fusion G._P._S. and the Clinton admits the Clinton Tin folks who paid for this steele dossier. Why is this not front and center along with what happened Russian disinformation but the point is if the Russians tried to influence the election? It should have been on both parties not just one bruce you said earlier should there shouldn't a Democrats deaths at the end of the day the impeachment an impeachment proceeding is effectively political. It's what Congress says has is high crimes and misdemeanors that doesn't mean though that impeachment proceedings are devoid of a legal basis there was a strong legal basis for the Nixon almost impeachment demint sure an actual impeachment that was perjury and suborn of course right and those are real crimes and what you have here is not true deduction statute that is vague and an extremely subjective and not many legal scholars would say the basis for an impeachment proceeding so so that's the way for the merits it takes away the wynonna sales of the impeachment politically. If I were them paddock strategist I would be telling leadership you have to be trump at the poll exactly right beat him and for something right at just like you did in two thousand eighteen when these Republican leaning suburbs lipped K. and we'll give Nancy Pelosi speakership if the defeat him and and avoid any appearance of having legitimacy he proper those districts those districts that flipped which part of the the the centrist Democrats. They're the ones that I think Nancy Pelosi is. She wants to protect those and they have to vote upper down on an impeachment in a district it was carried by Donald Trump. Even though a Democrat game along it knocked off the member of cars right here fearful GONNA lose some of those seats and she'll lose her majority exactly right and I think that I think this will become worse even more hysterical more insane <hes> as we go along because it becomes clearer and clearer that it looks like he is going to be able to win. I mean we're we're. We're about to go through a second round of the debates. Do you see anybody on that stage. Who's going to beat him? I do not so far and I'd like to say one thing about the Putin Business Okay Putin at trump's behavior in public toward Putin. It's not necessarily what's going on in private nor we don't know what attached all gone is his demeanor we for any president. I don't know exactly right. We want what we want. Let's remember a little history as well. I'm sorry go ahead. You're able to get along with the Russians. There are some issues in this world on which we need to get along with them and if the President says the Nice thing about what Putin in the hopes of making him a little bit more malleable the negotiating table. I don't have a major problem with it doesn't mean he loves it. Historically as well presidents have stood or sat or talk to monsters in the past Joseph Stalin Iota and then when we finally opened up China Richard Nixon talks to who the greatest monster maybe in the history of of the past four centuries and that was Mao Zedong and you are next to a person who's policies killed nine hundred eighty million of his own people sometimes took to advance the United States. You have to stand next monster in all the instances you just mentioned all those nations feared the United States and respected the United States well all the Economy Vladimir Putin issues tickled pink that he could that he has this much doubt in your mind ain't that he is if he was successful last time the relationship between the alleged relationship between the Russians and the trump reelection effort. Is it still going to be the president. Is it going to be front and center. I'm sure the trump people are going to say no. I don't want your Albany more. They didn't get I mean here's that help. They can't help that's all no no. They received some help in their in their miscommunication in the propaganda campaign they did get some help they took they took anti hillary items and they spread them throughout the Internet delegates. Yeah there were Anti Hillary and trump items that they also spread through are there have been many instances where they said that. The Russians were also putting out anti trump stuff at the same time and the theory about this whole. Let me finish this theory about this whole business with with the Anti Hillary stuff. They never thought she was GONNA lose. There is some sleep in the whole world thought she was going. ooh sorry sorry what they wanted to do. Let me finish what they wanted it to was have a president of the United States who would be elected who would have all this awful baggage going into office and they were going to use. I use it so they ended up was awful baggage but not quite the way they want it to and we have been really complicit in helping them. We've gotTA pause one eight hundred seventy three eighty twenty nine when we come back. We're going to switch gears and talk about a few other things. Including the city of Baltimore don't go away now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment our new investment product offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money money make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com right now. 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That's a communications consulting firm <hes> and occasional blogger walker and Mike Miller and I am an economist at Depaul University got my p._H._d.. From the University of Pittsburgh in one thousand nine hundred eighty and have had one job since then the Paul a great place to work. Oh you're the only person I hope is at one job. I've had yes and I I didn't think like pumped gas and worked home improvements before that and picked up trash for the city of Pittsburgh but I've really had in my profession a single job for thirty nine years and I've loved every minute of it well congratulate. We always love when you're here by the way one of the big stories of the actually the last several days is the tweet of the president of the United States <hes> going after the city of Baltimore more and it's a long time member of Congress Elijah Cummings who's the chairman of several committees upon which members of the administration of appeared a recently and last week early last week the Acting Director Bureau of the Department of Homeland Security Mr Kevin <hes> Macken was invited to participate in a hearing chaired by Elisha comings and if if you listen to the story of the presidential tweets and his tweet storm today on all the shows at least that I've seen I saw three shows today if you look at all the coverage all the network executive or anchors they're all <music> decrying what they described as a racist tweet by the president against Elisa coming and against the city of Baltimore and that's been the big story for the last. Let's say twenty four hours on news programs. I did not see anyone. Show you the video. We're going to show you right now which is the truth but of the Acting D._H._S.. Secretary when he appeared before the Committee Eddie of Elijah coming so let's look at that and then we're going to look at all the you know what that hit the fan after that here we go you feel like you're doing a great job over what you're saying. We're doing our level best and a very what does that mean what does that. I mean when a child is sitting in their own. Feces can't take us our come on man what's that about none of us would have our children Burnett position. They are human being and I'm trying to figure out and not get tired. Vote saying Oh oh they just beating up on the border patrol. Oh they it just be going up on what I'm saying. Is I want to concentrate on. These children and I WANNA make sure that they're OK. I will say I've said it before and I'll it again. It's not the D. that you do to adopt is the memory is the memory so in and I told the head of Border Patrol the other day I said I wanna know what's happening. In the meantime we are the United States of America. We have the greatest country in the world. We are the ones that can can go anywhere in the world and saying people makes two. They have diapers toothbrushes. Make sure that they're not laying around defecating in some Silva paper come on we're better than that okay that was Elisa coming and he was venting explained to the acting director of D._H._S.. President Trump watch that he saw he got upset and he decided decided to unleash a tweet storm. There were many tweets. I'm GonNa read one of one of them to you as proven last week during a congressional tour the border is clean efficient and well run just just very crowded coming district is discussing rat and rodent infested mess he he if he spent more time in Baltimore maybe he could help clean up this very dangerous. Chris and filthy place end of that week there were other tweets that tweet has been perceived as racist and I want to get reaction from our guests on the way in which allies are coming went after the head of V._H._S. and the way in which the president chose to react to it was a deliberate attempt to rally his base Chris Verona's well. I I mean you could say that that tweet was imprudent. Insensitive devisive. Maybe even hateful made me ignorant to accurate. Would you say it was about what's happening could it could you just the idea of the chief executive. The United States going after the People United States citizens. It just doesn't make sense. It's it's not becoming rats he wasn't talking about. He's talking about people who live there to you know maybe they're the ones supposed to clean up the reputation why I don't this idea that if a white person attacks a person of color it's automatically bosterous Austrian idea coming after the guy from V._H._S.. Why wasn't that racist because you had a black man attacking white man? They're both preposterous ideas. I it's just the idea you know I i. It's just sort of silly to have a president picking these kinds of jewelry sure what well first of all of style question of style I would agree with you about that but I hadn't seen this before this terrible what he did. I put I for the course these committees especially par for the course all right there is a crisis at the border. There is overcrowding at the border. The United States government is trying to do everything they can to deal with it. They take tours they take people with cameras. They do all kinds of things and the only thing that people want to the the media wanted talk about is Alexandria Cossio Cortez talking about people drinking out of toilets which is absolutely not going on all right so coming had not coming has not been to the border right so about the feces thing was hearsay right on his part of you didn't see it but did did that's correct. He has no idea and so the president is defending his his Homeland Security Department because he knows what they're doing and I mean I you have to should have found a better way to deal with it. Maybe but he's got this demagogue and I'm sorry he's a demagogue and he's demagoguing this issue talking about children in their own feces. Come on that is not going. That's it's not going to be true. Chris or Christopher things can be true at once. This is in my opinion conduct unbecoming of the leader of the free world should he do with the problem with anti-racism is anti-racism sees itself as a hammer and when you're a hammer everything is a nail and every kind of behavior that deviates off of what is viewed to be <hes> racist. Everything's racist and that's the problem. That's the problem that the Democratic Party in the media perpetuate that there's only one standard for racism that I have to disagree with what you say and this is what we're seeing play. I think it'd be my point about this. Morning was on the shows that I watched. No one showed the first video right now. The first video I might say described that that was the first punch that was thrown right and A. and trump then the camera's rolling then trump comes back and he tweets and I think I agree with Judy he's standing up for his law enforcement people who've been beaten up primarily by Democratic members of Congress and also by the way <hes> something that but he obviously did not address I mean here we are in the month of July and and the president has warned Congress since January that there was a crisis at the border it took seven months for the Democrats grants to come up with four point three billion dollars they could have provided better care for the people that they say are being abused there and what the what the president was the point he was making was listen you should maybe spend a little time in your our own backyard because you you've got problems in your own backyard. Don't be talking about what's going on at the border of what's going on in Baltimore City and Baltimore County and that's that's I mean I think that's a very valid point and and I mean look is it racist to describe the city the city of Baltimore in certain parts of it the way the president described has anybody in this in this world that seeing the T._v.. Show the wire. It was filmed in Baltimore. The the the situation that conditions in Baltimore were used as is almost a character in the shell and the president isn't allowed to say to Elijah Cummings. You know what why don't you take care of. What's going on in your city and and worry about that and I agree with you? One hundred percent I mean did he say it in a crude way said it is usual New York. Queens direct crashed on New York City trash-talk. Ah there here's again I I keep I keep coming back to the same thing I would hope that I wouldn't do what some of these folks have done including trump <hes> principle but the Democrats said this was a manufactured crisis and now then they're beating him over the head. They said that the trump used the s whole to talk about these countries and they oh you can't be saying that but then when they want to justify people coming to this country they described these countries as being as yes. These horrible rebel situations that no one should ever live in both he doesn't. It's bad Chicago. Perfume now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the Dominion Energy Reliability Investment our new investment product offers competitive returns no maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. Make the reliable investment in reliable energy the Dominion Energy reliability the investment to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com. 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It's it's it's a born going after the space because they like they like when the president is beating up on a black member of Congress okay. That's that's the way they're thinking about it the other thing but I'm wondering because because trump is somewhat of a great monkey a billion thinker in some ways. I'm wondering how many African Americans if you're if you're black and you're listening to the show this evening I'd I'd like to get your response to what I'm about to say because it seems to me that if you're black and you live in Baltimore or Chicago or San Francisco or any urban area where there's a large number of blacks unfortunately there are parts of the city that are not in good shape and they may have rats and they may have other city services that have not been provided lighted and I'm wondering in many of those cases the members of Congress in those areas all democrats and the problems in those communities have been problems for five six or seven decades gates so I'm wondering when the national news media goes after President trump allegedly for soy trying to fan the flames of his racist followers. I'm wondering in how many African Americans are saying to themselves. You know what maybe the president's right. Maybe Elisha coming should have spent more of the last forty years doing on things to bring money to Baltimore City. That was a democratic President for eight years. Congress has been controlled by the Democrats for most of the last fifty years. They're controlled by the Democrats now. Oh Nancy Pelosi grew up in Baltimore. It would seem to me that between Nancy Pelosi and allies you're coming with the power of the control of the House and the purse strings they should be able to do more in Baltimore and in the inner cities of every major metropolitan area in the United States. I'm wondering whether the president's attack allegedly on Elisha coming who basically said hey go back to your own hometown and clean it up. I wonder how many African Americans live in that situation are saying Mr President. You're you're kicking. I like what you say. I don't think it's racist. I think it's calling attention to political leaders who've taken us for granted and they've given us nothing except in many cases these neighborhoods that are rat a rodent infested and they're not blaming the president for it because he's only been around for two years here and I really would like to hear from African Americans listening to this show this evening. If you think there's any truth to what I have just uttered or you think that I'm all wet either way one eight hundred seven two three eight hundred eighty nine <hes> let's go to let's go to Allan. You're listening to us in Austin Texas. He wants to talk about a Baltimore. Go ahead Allan thank you I say deals to your comment. <hes> it all. I think it's long in overseas that we've had somebody with going adds to call out the back. Politicians represented most of them are career politicians Elijah Cummings and they represented their their districts forty years at all they are interested in is more welfare money districts jobs not ah anyhow I think I commend the president. I hope people will will remember his criticism Easter. Nothing like Pie Titians as corrupt. You must be corrupt. Okay thank you for your comment. Let's go to Ellen. She's listening to us out of Youtube in Chicago. Are you there well I. I guess you're not there. How about Kevin in Austin Texas? Go ahead. Speak Up if you give me a yes. Hey I appreciate you. GotTa show thank you. I think with the president dilling deflection because what he's basically saying Elisa commies criticized the yes so you saying nobody can criticize the <unk> their district the one hundred percent straight allowed to come if has the right to criticize yes tumbles to talk about kind of district she this off about during that urban will going on trying to put money in inner cities thoughts about yeah. That's a good point. Do you think maybe he would have been called a racist at that point if he said things are really bad. Why don't you clean it up? We we all know that she's not saying anything new. But why is it racist to be. Why is it assumed that this statement has tweet was racist just like the attack on the squad why was that racist just four women with whom he disagrees and I do too and I it's not racist? It's just a difference of opinion so I think I don't think it was well. When you take everything is how trump? Live Kinda rate that way of toxic waste everybody times. 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He's going to be leaving on August fifteenth and Congressman John Ratcliffe who was one of the Republican Stars of the Muller hearings last week <hes> he is going to be named by the president. <hes> and some people are speculating that one of the reasons why Mr Coates has had enough is that a lot of the advice these made made the president specifically about the importance of preparing <hes> twenty twenty against possible <hes> foreign involvement by the Russians and others and to really beef up our election <hes> situations assistance at the United States <hes> summer suggesting adjusting that's why he is leaving at this point but again <hes> that's going to be another change that will probably dominate much of the news <hes> this coming week and certainly in the democratic debates that are coming up this week as well so John or Dan Coats who was guests on this program. I really one of the real rock solid members of the United States Senate for many many years and again sort of I think sort of a surprise pick <hes> to work with Donald Trump <hes> when he was like the United States two years is is enough and he has resigned again John Ratcliffe who was pretty much of a lapdog during the hearings last week. He's now the head of national intelligence one of the most important jobs in the United States reaction reaction when you take someone who has had the record of Dan Coats and you know obviously the boss is always the boss and there was just diff- differences of opinion but it seems to me that there's a big difference between Dan Coats and John Ratcliffe based on the hearings then. I wish I had <hes> I certainly am in line with coats in terms of the issue. I think the solution is so much easier than people people are making it out to be and nobody wants to go that way which would be paper ballots counted right there and then phoned in you. Take everything off the Internet. You can't have anybody the Russians and the Chinese nobody can get into the system I have the Republicans made a mistake by not providing extra money. No <hes> insecurity for the that's not true the that that was just a farce a democratically induced farce that happened when they they asked for unanimous unanimous consent of that bill and they knew it was going to fail and they feigned their shock and surprise that it went down last year Congress allocated more than three hundred million dollars in election security so that this is just this is just an easy win the Democrats that the media swallowed whole but but but but but go ahead finish your comment about Dan coats a handy exactly the way you described them a steady hand public servant in conservative and he knew why you the conservative when he served in the Senate you for as tough as a job as the presidency. Is You want people who are going to disagree with do you don't want people are gonNA disagree with you publicly and I think I think then cook coats went there. Unfortunately I mean maybe his hand was forced. I don't know but you don't want to be surrounded with a bunch of lapdogs especially when it comes to national intelligence national security <hes> so it's a lost. I think it's a loss that Dan Coats is not steady and that we need in a position like that. Really what do you think well. I mean I I would have to agree that that it is a loss oss <hes> but I also would point out is as you just pointed out that the president does need people to disagree with them but not in the front page of the New York Times right this is just not done and and you you know every one of I think when the president came in he he tried to do as sort of balancing he put in some people who he thought were <hes> you know partisan. Were going agree with him who he felt he may maybe owed something to that should soy sessions became the attorney general <hes> but he also picked people like Dan Coats who he thought were an and mattis who he thought were professionals who were going to be good for the administration and they were they work but they they both decided that they were better than the president that the president was in necessarily the president and and they knew better about various things and they weren't gonNA discuss it out. You don't do that to the boss. I'll take this back to impeachment germ. There's one man right now. There's one reason and it's one former White House there for why we're not having impeachment right now and it's time again we wouldn't have you because he wouldn't fire muller like the president asked him to two or three times he declined and he hoped that trump brigade and that's exactly what happened. Just got off the horse and so this is the value of someone in the White House who disagrees especially <music> Eastern Country Sawyer but he's the White House counsel right and so the president goes to him and and flowed some insane idea insisted on and it's Eh in the world to do that and have a lawyer talking to me when I look at all the things that are going on. It seems to me that the smartest guy in the White House that he listens to is jared Kushner he doesn't he he is offended by either the style of some of these folks or you know I mean he was Dan coached was certainly Republican Establishment Thousand One oh one listening so there were there isn't a comfort level but again <hes> <hes> and and and and and Kushner is pushing ideas but he always has the president's ear because of the because of the family religion and we we gotta go to calls. Let's go to Linda listening to us in Austin Texas. Go ahead Linda. Are you there. How are you how are you? I am fine. How about herself? I wonder thank you good go ahead. You're on Mir yet here you regarding <hes>. I'm a black female little eight <hes> mid sixty one in to Pennsylvania. I wanted to the air force without the sometime. There is doubt when into law or spent retired from there. I'm currently living in Austin Texas near last twenty eight hours here. I've one thing I completely one hundred percent agreed with your moment of everything that's going on in Baltimore I have I voted in will vote twenty twenty where president trump he's done nothing but a great wonderful job I wanna stay off from the very beginning and very made an of that regarding arguing now people using the word rate racism your raises so arbitrarily so generally that to the point that has diminished meaning of the word the impact of that word. That's that's a very good point <hes> Linda. We've got a pause here for a moment for commercial break but stay on the line. I'm going to pick up and ask you a couple of other questions on the other side we also have a lot of callers and excellent the next segment we'll make them all callers wall to wall so don't go away we'll hear from the audience from coast to coast and border to border tonight and beyond the Beltway Uh Standby Bruce Dumont back in Chicago. We go back to Linda <hes> from Austin Texas. You identified yourself as an African American woman <hes>. How many people do you think agree with your assessment tonight Linda in the African American friends are you? Are you alone wolf for others that agree with you up now from relatives to friends I'd say close to Lone Wolf as you as I can possibly be like vision our week at until a Veggie with both friends as family I find myself Dandy alone with both my of lease my support of the president of fact voted for the president and the fact that there's nothing he has done from day one until now that has made me regret my we have made we regret my vote. You send in the last segment. You said that the use of the word racism has got to a point where it doesn't mean anything anymore. Can you elaborate on that and could you go back to Paducah. Go back to a time when you thought it still still meant something when when when did the when did the meaning of that word lose its impact for you of recently is locked the impact every any if the president agrees with anyone of Color Black Hispanic anyone of our because anything that is considered disparaging by the media assume to be rate and and when that happens I laugh out loud because I agree with almost ninety five percent of his but he says and how he views things and his perspective is a black woman would be raised as well that if we're using their definition of would've rate it would you agree now on the use of the term rat infested rat and rodent infested and he is used that analogy in other comments prior to this this would you agree that when people are talking about rat infested neighborhoods that many people when they hear those words they think that black families don't keep clean houses and is that not the basis of a perception that might exist with some whites hearing those words. I'm sure are there. I'm sure that is the gate that there are some light to proceed that and they would probably use that definitions or a very that description that <hes> blacks are or dirty. I've heard that before that date with the term you live Radin. That's <hes> ghetto right and that's that's what you're talking out but that's not what the president took him out and what he's been president. Trump has said is a fact visit change the fact that it is rat infested. There aren't ghetto and that e that e coming. He has not illogic coming not done the job he needs to do for the people of Baltimore representing and changing their the environment making the city of Baltimore veteran for everyone. who was there okay Linda? Thanks for your call. We appreciate it. Let's go to Eric who's on line four. He is listening to us on the video stream tonight and go ahead Erica. You're on the air from New Hampshire hyperth- thanks for in Cali appreciate it. Thank you you know just thinking the whole mess is Baltimore. <hes> you know <hes> cities like Baltimore hat or res- Renaissance over the last twenty years or so until the last few years and that was because they control crime right now. Bill Clinton is being treated like some kind of raises just because he wanted to not have complete and utter chaos the Democrats today like they want complete and utter chaos at the border in the city's everywhere they want. I don't know they they love America but I will. I think you're I think you're correct. I mean the the when the Democrats were in the White House and the Democrats controlled rolled a congress. You know the popularity of free strikes and you're out it's spread throughout the country from California. All throughout the country then to federal legislation and crime did go down prison. Listen populations now again now the reinterpretation of that is that it was based on race and that's that's one of the issues that Joe Biden has to deal with because he wanted to many cups on the street victims of the club and Standing Right Christiane Comet just that this is the problem with identity politics and race consciousness <hes> as as as public policy where where you're judging past actions that happened in this specific context with a standard that doesn't even exist today it just some abstract standard that probably never will exist exists and that's the insanity of the far left the squad or whatever they're called that insanity that's coming out of them where you're going to have the Democratic Party analyze itself and this practice. If you WanNa read a little bit of a Stephen Chapman and the Chicago Tribune it's also on realclearpolitics. He gave a quick history of the ninety four law and some of the large the biggest supporters for this where black legislators later masters and so forth crack is destroying as you have brought to do something to save us from these Predator the word Predator it was also an omnibus dote so it's ridiculous to pick out one thing oh this kills did like a half dozen dozen different things. I don't want to be president but I don't want him. Also I mean really unfair the attack upon him by Harris really unfair we move. I we're GONNA talk about the debates in just a moment but let's go to Angelo listening to us in Colorado and he's listening to us on Sirius X._M.. Satellite Radio Whereabouts in Colorado Angel North of Denver North of Denver Fort Collins area. Put some good in the Lakers show a lot. Thank you get on a little bit more often okay. I'm working one year at a time so the report and what are your. What are your kids? There was talking about. Trump is an obvious lapdog to WHO and I disagree with that especially when you got crazy when you got Obama with Syria and the red line and then also teach you mentioning <hes> missile defense for NATO lapdog and the good news is good news for us as Jim. Jordan said the mother report isn't going on anywhere. I should say the Weizmann report just opening up the other side now is going to start their investigations report will be coming out right album that happy fun the Durham Term The journal that will follow that they're already lost. The Democrats have got a you know they've they've got to be prepared to play a lot of defense. I think something of what what's going going on right now to they know this and that may be why they want an impeachment inquiry so they can at least get their fair Nixon for right. Thank you for your call. Let's go to Tony Listening to us that Oklahoma Thomas City go ahead. You're on the Air Tony. Hello are you there. Yes go ahead all right while I was kind of wondering because we're during freedoms to from <music> hello so turn your radio down because Ron Delay <hes> so go ahead once your radio is down okay. Are you there. Well we're GONNA are you there Tony or not or we're gonNA move onto that. They might come back to you both more fixing thing <hes> <hes> Congress Federal Congressional oversight overseas by <hes> programs where however allies trump federal worker even overseas space city maintenance that Turkey laws state governor mayor. There's no there's no question there's no question about that. However if you are a member of Congress and you represent a large municipal area your responsibility and in many cases you take pride how much federal funds you were pouring into your city? It may be improved police department it may be improved for water system and may be proved who've for education but again congressman every two years they take they take their bows on how much Federal Bacon they've been able to bring back so again. You can't connect <hes> you cannot make a direct connection but certainly certainly <hes> the fuel that comes to help many social services in in Baltimore County. It comes to the federal government. It has for one hundred years so that's anymore I know but as as as the member of Congress and the committee chair he has a lot of clout and I'm sure that that money flows into that <hes> that municipality and it goes where he would like it to go. I mean you would hope hope that that's what a member of Congress does because they are close to <hes> their constituency. They're close to the problems in the city and I would hope that congressman has something <hes> and then he would have <hes> you know the ability to the funnel money where he wants to funnel so you can't <hes> you know you can blame an Alderman you could claim a mayor you can blame the local city council but again in this particular case you also cannot look the other way and say that you you know a ranking member of Congress for over forty years. <hes> has no footprints for fingerprints on what happens in Baltimore he does back shortly doesn't back in Chicago Nice Debbie whether it's a reminder that on the thirty and thirty I I actually next week. <hes> the Democrats are going to be having their debate on C._N._N.. And again on the thirtieth let's take a look at the people that are going to be debating on the thirtieth. You Have Elizabeth Warren. You have Bernie Sanders plus you. Have you have Pete Buddha judge. You Have Amy Koba Jar. You have John Delaney. You Have Tim Ryan you have John Hickenlooper. You have Marianne Williamson. Can you have Steve Bullock. The Governor Governor of Montana will be making his first appearance and then the next night <hes> the leaders the the main card is Joe Biden and Camera Harris Julian Castro Jay Inslee the governor of Wisconsin Washington <hes> Kirsten Gillibrand from New York <hes> Chelsea grabber Gabbert rather <hes> Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado and also Bill De Blasio and Andrew Gang who was on television today and what do you think of Professor Lemme ask you K- twenty first birthday everybody in America gets a thousand dollars and every month after that they get a thousand dollars. It's no well thousand dollars a year. Every American gets it no no why is that not a good idea. I understand what he's trying to do but A. and some people will point back to talk about Milton Friedman Free Market Guy but his was a negative income tax and his idea was that everybody would be guaranteed a certain minimum but the government wouldn't give money to people like Warren Buffett or to me or to you you would only give the people who are truly in need yes and so I do not want people starving in the streets. I think we are a we should do it through our religious teaching as a Christian. I'm supposed to do that but if the government is going to be a means through which we can redistribute some. I WanNa make sure that there's no people who are starving but beyond that I don't think giving Davis here's your twelve thousand dollars because part of the plan is to do away with with Welfare. It's not happen. That's all you would do. This is through the I._R._S.. You would you would need no bureaucracy running things such as aid to families with dependent children so for everybody would be guaranteed this minimum income and how much running through the I._R._S.. How much money would be saved if you did away with those of various agencies? I just don't believe that it'd be done away with. They're not gonna be done away so anyway I I the the idea is interesting. I I like a debate on it. It's well he's going to try to do it. Well legitimately today spent that they can happen nowadays but it was Milton Friedman idea. It's Charles Murray actually support absolutely right now Friedman I would but the point that you made like is I agree with it. The reason why it's the ideas not attractive is because the the welfare bureaucracy that we have ain't going anywhere and this is being sold by conservatives as like a dollar for dollar swap almost but you will never get rid of Medicaid for example. You'll never get rid of T._A._N._F.. And that's why I think the wheels come off. This idea is interesting as it is by the way they the Fox News <hes> came out with a presidential poll last week and the President like this poll at all for doing all right how old right but it shows this is this they had had <hes> if the election were held immediately which is not Biden would beat the president forty nine to thirty nine ten point lead need Bernie Sanders would have a six point lead forty six percent of the president's forty percent and Elizabeth Warren <hes> she would lose to the president she would run behind the president by one point forty one to forty two. That's certainly within the margin of error as would a Kamala Harris at forty percent <hes> to trump's forty one percent so the two women would be slightly behind the two men would be slightly ad and Pete Buddha judge was not in that in that run up as and he's surprising that <hes> I I I find it preposterous would of course it is at this point in the election and yeah but the idea that once it's down to one Democrat and Republican and the Democrat has to live with all those crazy ideas that have come out during this this primary season like we have to protect the abortion rights of men right things like this are gonNA come out and they're gonNA bite the and there's not a chance that Joe Biden can keep up with the energy of Donald Trump. He's going to appear to be that's a doddering. We're not going to elect dollar baller. Look sharp in comparison. I was out shopping yesterday and I found something I almost I almost bought it for you. It was it was it was a toy store they had they had all action. Figures and I saw an action figure for Elizabeth Warren. Oh it's an action doll and its there's the action dollar. If you're watching television there it is he's got the Little Red Jacket and it's right next to the mall right next to the Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton I mean that's the thing now not all adult with doll. Schooled is mentioned many times on this program that you know when we talk about <hes> you know. A win ability and the ability to win obviously more and more Democrats are saying they're looking for a candidate that can win as opposed to someone that they're absolutely madly in love with right in a politically so we've always said that it really if you're talking me about actually Wisconsin and Michigan and Pennsylvania and to some extent Ohio Ohio is pretty much. I think considered more of a republican state now but these those three states. If you look at Michigan Wisconsin in Pennsylvania you see that Michigan Has Sixteen Electoral College Votes Washing <hes> Wisconsin has ten Pennsylvania has twenty for a total of forty six electoral votes those Ios forty-six electoral votes really that's the election. If Donald Trump does not do well in those races. Donald trump is not going to be re elected president of the United States and look at the numbers these are the this is the margin margin of error from two thousand and sixteen ten thousand seven hundred and four votes in the State of Michigan Twenty Two thousand seven hundred forty eight in Wisconsin and forty four thousand in two hundred ninety two in Pennsylvania a total of seventy seven thousand seven hundred and forty four votes. That's it but see that's vote switch folks and again the president is going to have the element of surprise but he does still have the element of people do not want to admit they're going to vote for that element. He still has number one number two. I think that he's probably they doing better in those states that you were pointing out then he was doing in in twenty sixteen. I don't see those states flipping. I really don't because the people in those states still have the same issues they had add. They've had some change in terms of things getting better. They know that the getting better has been due to Donald Trump and question the idea that they're just all gonna go run and vote for I. I don't even know who they gonNA vote for. I mean maybe Joe Biden. Joe Biden void could resurrect the Joe Biden of ten years ago even all right but he's not that a big difference is the the level of of this hatred that many people had for Hillary Clinton there really isn't anybody in this race. I don't think that has the level of hatred against her like the like. No I would agree. I would agree that that was that was a no it was the amount of being so disliked she also called many people old deplorables. She started having a contract. I had to go back for family reasons into that area and I went to breakfast and in this small diner in exurban Pittsburgh there are a lot of trump hats. There were people and I think think it has an I talked to one of them. I said where did you get the hat and so forth and and we talked for about ten minutes and he's very much in favor of the president what he's doing and I think a lot of people in in Pennsylvania for insulted by what if the Democrats called them their guns and and and hugging behind they haven't forgotten that I haven't I haven't forgotten the fact that I was called a deplorable and I've been called essentially because Republican on Nazi and all these different names the people are called just because of our party affiliation so that's how the vendor even though we are not angry against Hillary were angry against a party that looks down on us the way that they do some Democrats are arguing the the the way that you win in these states if you look at where these seventy seven thousand votes came from they came from in many cases the big cities like Philadelphia and like Detroit and and and and in Madison and Milwaukee rather you look at those markets and the the number of African American voters was significantly down. I think it was fairly the same in Philadelphia but it was the lack of black turnout in the a big urban areas of those states. That was the difference. That's the seventy seven thousand votes so so what do you any candidate is going to bring I mean do you think Kamala Harris is has the appeal that Barack Obama a hat as the first black man to run for the question is who's question is the question. Do you think new question is do you think that the that Komo Camera Harris would do better than Hillary Clinton. That's that's what you've gotTA. Measure is. There's somebody out there. That's going to do better with Hillary Clinton. That's going to get a larger lack load without being someone that is a level of hatred that at that Hillary as the challenge and when we come back I want you to make because we have one more segment to go and we will bring it to you shortly. Don't go away. Eh Bruce Dumont back in Chicago. We got a <hes> email here saying that they don't think your deplorable Mike you put it up for a vote but but she even said that I was irredeemable and I think Christian I find that absolutely insoluble. Every soul is redeemable and it's for her to say that you are deplorable irredeemable. That was the one I to this day. It's still bugs me. Even Elizabeth Warren everyone every mark. You're listening to us on. Where are you listening to US Mark Radio? You're listening to the radio very good at what what's your question. Well <hes> just two quick things <hes> you can put racism next to the term breaking news. I think they're they're so old now and then I I just WanNa make a comment that <hes> about a year and a half ago president trump said something about the country country of Haiti he called it s little country yes and about a week later the B._B._c. a <hes> had a film crew in Florida and they interviewed a bunch of patience and they said he's right. That's why have we and we're living in Florida as you're saying how corrupt the government in Haiti raiders and these a death we move to Florida to get away from the corruption and president president trump is right now. That's that's. That's a good point. You don't get another point of that came up this <hes> this week mark and I want to get your thoughts on it and this did not get a lot of publicity because you know the president's steps everytime he tweets he upstages is is message but there was a big agreement with Guatemala right this week and basically Guatemala agreed to cooperate with the United States to be a third third countries so that anyone who's living in in the in the triangle down there any one of those three countries they can go to Guatemala. They can make their application for asylum to the United States right there. The decisions can be made there and then if you're if you make it to the United States you make the next step now. This was something that you know. This didn't sound like this was this idea that needed the think tank to come up with this idea but finally president trump got it done and he said by the way you said you know there's been some encouragement for them to do it and maybe they're gonna see it was it was the use of tariff to assertive. That's been problem that that doesn't do need Congress to be involved of course and I've argued over the years. I've been on the show that as a conservative I am very much in favor of Immigration Asian legal immigration they come in through the front door and this is the perfect way and I'd be willing to accept twice as many legal immigrants but just please come in the front door and this is but you're not allowed to say that I'm probably now a racist because I said Judy well. I mean yeah I agree. That was a wonderful agreement. I mean I think also the agreement that he's made with Mexico to to deal with with the migrants and the problems there there's also been downplayed and and hardly anybody knows anything about it. Some of that is because you know he he issues tweet storms and then people focus on that but put the media's very happy to. I mean this is Bate. This is stuff that people WANNA see <hes> they're not so interested in an agreement that might actually solve the illegal immigration problem between now and next move. I agree with I mean we get an impasse immigration because neither side wants a deal basically w-we Nancy Pelosi the Democrats will not give Donald Trump victory any kind of okay I agree with the Supreme Court gave him a victory with a couple of dollars in the course of the Supreme Court Lord already blown very so there was this to this miserable thing going on in the federal courts where one District Court judge will show a nationwide injunction. That's what happened with the border wall situation. The Sierra Club filed a lawsuit. The judge issued this national injunction and one of the things that the Department of Justice has done since Jeff sessions left is become very aggressive in their litigation <hes> <hes> posture with respect to the Supreme Court and they applied to the Supreme Court to cut through <hes> having to wait a year to figure out what happens with the border wall and the Supreme Court took a look at this and they lifted the stay now when a court lifts the state they they go to great lengths to tell you we're not doing this on the merits of they don't lift the stay if they think that the merits are not going to break in the direction of the Party asking you to lift the stay so likely the president will after he uses the money because the reason this decision had to be made now as it had to be made before the end of the fiscal year and they had used the money so he's he's GonNa use the money and that's that's it I mean it's going to really be a moot point. Once the living litigation is going to continue but the issue is going to be pretty much resolved but the but the issue is still an issue in in in the minds of the public because of the pictures that exist our women and children being treated unfairly or unpleasant any way that at that the people who opposed getting more money those people with the Democrats and to get the money was the president of the United States and its right and he was the one that said there was a crisis and they said there's no way and now the crisis <hes> we're out of time for those standing on the line now we are sorry. Were not able to get you this evening but I want to. Thank our guest Perot. Thank you very much for being with us. Judy Sherwin always a pleasure listen to have you with us and Might Depaul University. Thank you very much thanks to Hector and Breda Andrew and France for their assistance in the production this program. I'm Bruce Dumont until next Sunday night good night wrong. 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Witnessing to Witnesses, Part 13

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Witnessing to Witnesses, Part 13

"Word of truth so we can worship God in spirit and truth deepening our knowledge of God thereby enabling us to deepen our love welcome to where we are studying to show ourselves approved rightly emporer aspect yes I will do what I can to to try to make this country yesterday when I said honestly I cannot even say the pledge of allegiance because my allegiance is not to the United States of America gene we're working our way through the Jehovah's Witness Organization what they believe what they teach yesterday we talked about how the uh-huh they separate from society you will not find a Jehovah's Witness who votes who holds public office WS teach that it is only through them only through their watch tower society that one can have any divine guidance any wisdom in a knowledge of God that comes only through the watch tower society in this is a clear mark of a cult of citizenship is not here my citizenship is in heaven the Jehovah's Witnesses will not serve in the military talked about how you know that would theological Colt all colts do this so we talked about that and we also talked about how the J. Ws are separatists ends you and yours doing well and I want to thank you for joining me for this installment of witnessing to the witnesses witnessing the witnesses part thirteen to the United States of America and I am ultimately my allegiance is not to the USA it is to the king of kings lead by two opposing forces within the same country fighting for control of that country and that's not what happened here that that's not the united own constitution its own money it's on judicial system so it's his own country in the United States of America invaded the confederate states of America three a better place in which to live but ultimately make it a place at that glorifies God course we're we're on our way down as I said a couple of programs ago this GW's will not salute the flag They will not say the pledge of allegiance and hope it make too many of you mad we are the United States of America is the titanic all we can do is Kinda rearrange the deck chairs a little bit but ultimately ultimately is is grateful as I am be a bit of a difficult thing for me because the possibility I suppose would be there than have to fight against a brother in a confederate states of America seceded from the United States of America the southern states assisted they formed their own country the confederate states America's its own country don't think that would be rare but has it happened it yeah it in fact I know it's happened in here in this country in the war between the states by the way not okay I wanNA taste little right here by the way did you know that we never had a civil war in the United States of America never had a civil war because a civil war is defined but anyway that's I digress but I know that that happened here on have no doubt that there were genuine regenerate Christians in the confederate in an army on the opposing side you know I might have to put my crosshairs on own on a Christian and I would be you know I don't I don't think that that would happen Sir they do not observe holidays a Jehovah's witness will not celebrate a birthday will not celebrate Thanksgiving will not celebrate Christmas nope technically by the definition of the term we did not have a civil war in this country we had a war between the states better way to term that going to be in the service anyway but I appreciate those who do serve truly do so anyway so they they're separatists also ended up talking about how they do not never mind Romans chapter fourteen Romans chapter fourteen which says one one man regards one day above it fourteen kind of covers everybody on that as far as how you view holidays I have friends who are doctrinal sound and they flag day Arbor Day groundhog day the none of those things mother's Day father's day jobs witnesses don't do that I'm from me I I couldn't do it I could not I could not especially in something like that I could not take the chance of of shooting a brother another another man regards everyday the same each man must be convinced in his own mind Romans fourteen I don't have that I just have that memory celebrate Christmas they look forward to Christmas they do gifts and they put up the tree and all of that stuff and that's fine that is there were genuine re regenerate Christians in the Union army and they were shooting each at each other and that's a that's a that's a problem apparently sound and they don't celebrate Christmas they just they don't do it because they feel like it's become too commercialized into distracting and even though people's that's great that's fine with me to Romans fourteen covers us in that one man regards one day above another another man regards everyday the same say it's about Jesus it's really not you know it's kind of an afterthought and so they choose not to celebrate Christmas and you know what hey that's great the Romans fourteen covers us in that so So whatever you want to do Charlie Brown Christmas you know the Little Charlie Brown Christmas tree the little spin leaping and one red ball on the end and it's been over you know and that while I looked up on okay it's about Jesus but let's get on other things but as long as crisis truly your focus that's great and also have friends who were genuine Christians great as long as Christ as the focus then that's that's great in those long as Christ is really the focus and he's not discount a token wink wink nod with Christmas or Thanksgiving or Groundhog Day or whatever you know hey it's okay Romans fourteen covers you and you're all right Cathy now we're kinda somewhere in the middle world's system is connected to the devil every world system is connected to the devil anything basically anything apart from the watch tower society is connected to old scratch is connected to to Lucifer himself but this is kind of problematic I think I too but it's verse two four somewhere in there early part of Romans Chapter Fourteen so I'm not sure what they do that I guess I just ignore it but Roman I'm Cathy Cathy's favourite Christmas television program is Charlie Brown Christmas that was what I made like fifty sixty years ago or something ss blanket wrapped around the base of and Scott this red ball hanging off the end trans the trees bending over under the way to the sworn little red ball and aw I thought the thought of that is anathema to me but anyway so I worked through all that out yet but he I have several policy and so on and that's our Christmas tree that's Kathy put set up every year and so we don't make a big deal out of out of Christmas it's it's I actually bought Kathy a Charlie Brown Christmas tree looks just like the one in the cartoonist little spin late thing comes a little stand and little blue blanket line be joining you in that because they are complete separatists from society and they also separate from science because they believe that every donald is already one I don't know yet as the time of this recording because I am I'm recording this November the eighth and I'm getting a few grams ahead because I'm about to head to Brazil so if you're listening to this in all likelihood I am in Brazil right now and I would certainly cover to prayers for me but we're not against it either so no we're somewhere in the middle so whatever you and your family won't do is fine but all that to say the Jehovah's Witnesses will not odd except from God not except from Satan doesn't say that every authority is from Satan every authorities from God it is established for such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence ignorance of foolish men so the watchtower is it not we we've already talked about Romans thirteen few programs ago when I was talking about giving my thoughts on the election and by the time you're listening to this someone Hillary uh receive greater are will receive condemnation upon themselves so I don't know what they do with Romans thirteen that's a problem for them so the watch tower society comes from a very errant understanding of second the the governments are established by God God establishes he he raises up kings and he brings them down I got therefore whoever resists authority Paul says has opposed the ordinance of God in they who have opposed will whether to a king the one in authority or two governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers in the praise of those who do right he is I'm in Brazil teaching at a seminary pray for Kathy as well if you would in my absence so anyway so I'm in Brazil but we talked about Romans Thirteen am one through two Paul says every person is subject to the governing authorities for there is no authority except from God the first Peter Chapter Two as well for speed or two thirteen through fifteen says submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution side he would have you believe that every worldly institution is from Satan the Bible though says that the powers that be the French chapter four verse four this is where they they get their separatism thinking that every institution is from is created he was not making a legal point Paul is not saying that literally every governing institution is led by saying but that's a very errant misunderstood berry errant understanding of Second Corinthians four four the better way to render that verse really is in whom the God of this age the word in the Greek there's word a own which means age and Paul was making a theological point and they say oh the god of this world is talking about Satan in it is and they so anything with the world is satanic anything of the world is is of Satan not at all but that is what the Jehovah's Witnesses would have you believe they think that every government is is from Satan and that's why they separate themselves and in fact that can't be what he was saying because that is in direct contradiction to what Paul himself said same writer who wrote saying Corinthians Satan they get it from Second Corinthians four four in which Paul says in whom the God of this world has blinded the eyes of them they're the minds of them which believe not established by God so that cannot possibly be what he men in Second Corinthians four four Paul was making a theological point not a legal point Paul was saying that this the God of this age Satan is the god of this age in the world follows after him because the world is so fallen so depraved at follows say about government and human institutions teaches the opposite but that is why they are separatist okay all right after Satan is if he were the god of this age but not not the legal God of planet Earth it's not saying that every government is from Satan inspired by Satan from it and that's why they won't hold office of or even vote but it's a very unfortunate misunderstanding of Second Corinthians four four how without of the Watch Tower Society this was pinned by Charles Tastes Russell he says this quote we belong to Chapter Ten Verse Twenty Six Paul Quotes That Psalm so the Jehovah's Witnesses or just wrong they're they're separatism is based on the true meaning of the Bible comes only through it all right so also they do not believe in four Paul also wrote Romans Thirteen in which he's very clear about saying that every every every human institution is established by God the governments next item number three or letter see their next belief they are the only true church they are the only true church related Evan all the saints now living or that have lived during this age belong to our church organization such are all one upon a faulty hermetic faulty understanding of Second Corinthians four four the Bible teaches the opposite of what the Jehovah's Witnesses blood transfusions the next doctrinal little doctrinal distinctive of Watch Tower Society No blood transfusions no blood transfusions of course misunderstandings synchronous four zero the least of their problems but that's not what Paul's talking about Psalm Twenty four verse one says the Earth in Herald of Christ's presence dated eighteen eighty four so they are very adamant that they are the only true church they're the only true church in is the Lord's the fullness thereof the world and they that dwell therein and Paul Quote Psalm Twenty Four Verse One in First Corinthians it in all other churches are false all other churches are false false let me quote to you out of there I point but we're we're gonNA flesh this out a little bit more a little bit different they are the only true church the watch tower society claims that God only works through it the J. WS and I suppose we'll get to that later but they do not believe in person hood of the Holy Spirit but Paul says for it seemed good to the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit they just missed that now what is this passage saying this cannot possibly be a prohibition against blood transfusions why can it not possibly be a trans prohibition against blood transfusions because well blood transfusions did not exist in biblical times they didn't exist so Paul cannot possibly have been writing and saying all right guys I don't want you to have any blood transfusion capital Owen a one church and there is no other recognized by the Lord in quote this is from Zion's watch tower no capital and capital Oh we belong to no earthly organization we adhere only to that heavenly organization whose names are written in anything nothing seems good to electricity or gravity because it's an inanimate force Holy Spirit is not inanimate he is a person for it seemed meaning has it would have to have made sense to the original recipients of that letter because that letter that's the passage they use to reject blood transfusions it's interesting how they will take one part of this passage how it says you are too that you abstain from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication in quote so that's the passage you you can't up an inanimate force like electricity or whatever you can't electricity doesn't perceive rain from things sacrificed idols in from blood they'll key and Matt completely miss the first part of the verse for it seemed good wrong meaning that's one of the fundamental principles of Biblical Hermanez whatever meaning to which you come of a particular passage that they use passages such as acts chapter fifteen twenty eight th through twenty nine x fifteen twenty eight th through twenty nine nick our word dynamite is derived from the Greek word Demus but when you hear a preacher make a point out of that that that's you know so the power of God you also consider this the context of acts fifteen makes the intent very clear the tent of Paul in Acts Chapter Fifteen it was not written to us originally it was written to other people and so if you've come at some meaning that would have made no sense to the people to whom it was originally written then you've got the wrong man wins if he had said that they would have liked want what any what what are you talking about that blood transfusions didn't exist back then so that can't be what is in view in thousands years ago dynamite had not been invented so if you come up with a meaning that would not have made sense to the original recipients then you've come to the the same thing here there were no blood transfusion so Paul could not possibly have been writing to prohibit his readers from taking blood transfusions it's kind of like dynamite the word Dune in Greek have you ever heard a preacher say the Greek word for for power is due to Mus good the Holy Spirit that's an offer passage form but it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you know greater burden these essentials bore eating had already been sacrificed to idols part of Pagan worship in policy saying don't do that it's not that the meat itself has God is like dynamite well no it's not that's not the right meaning it's not the right interpretation and it can't be because Donna might did not exist to the almost throat losing a lot of its blood they would just strangle it so that the blood would stay in the animal until they were ready later to release it whatever ritual strangle the animal so that more of the blood would stay in the animal and then they would sacrifice it to an idol so rather than cutting is that we are not to partake of things in this case meet that have been sacrificed to idols and that's what was going on some of the meat so to speak and also it's interesting when Paul here says that we're to abstain from sting sacrificed to idols and from blood it's been changed in any way but it's associated with pagan idols. Pagan Gods in Paul does not want anything any doesn't want to give anyone months ago when I was there with Mike Miller we would see these Pagan Hindu statues and believe it or not you know think of sacrificing meet to Pagan Idols Hindu Pagan God and people would walk up there and actually put food down at the base of the statue for the God to eat the power of God do Numis same word we get of the the word dynamite do nervous dynamite and you know what technically that is letters would've made anybody when Roman someone reading Romans One sixteen from NATO non ashamed of the power of from Nauseam of the Gospel of Christ for it as a power of God statues of Pagan Gods like half man half monkey gods half man half elephant God's freakish hideous looking things from that so the context is quite clear and so this is not a prohibition against blood transfusions I saw the same kind of thing in India something that you know way back in the past happening anymore but actually it's it's still happening it's the Hindus still do it we saw these freakish pagans and from things strangled well there's a reason he says at because sometimes in this day and age they took an animal that was going to be sacked on any room to accuse Christians of participating in Pagan worship in so to clear up any confusion Paul says don't do it if it's been sacrificed we will continue our discussion into dovers witnesses tomorrow Lord Willing we will talk about the trinity how they reject the trinity they were doing so that's why says abstain from things strangled because of something was strangled then that means it was being sacrificed to an idol impulsive stay away four guide your is your host Justin Peters welcome to the Program Ladies and gentlemen hope that this the idols don't do it go down to McDonald's down the street that hasn't been sacrificing their meat to idols and you know eat that let me read that to you x fifteen twenty eight th through twenty nine cents for it seemed good to the Holy Spirit now let's pause there that's an awkward in Pagan religions it's still going today still being done in Hinduism and some other religions as well so that is the point all right difference we are out of time and some of them were put up on podiums and they were actually steps leading up to on their own platform raised up off the ground you walk up the steps to the to

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Inside Real Estate  Episode 58

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51:09 min | 1 year ago

Inside Real Estate Episode 58

"You're listening to the podcast, Detroit. Visit WWW dot past Troy dot com before information. You're listening to inside real estate, you'll source for all things mortgage and real estate related the shows that brings you all the hottest topic for insights directly from those mice now sit back and enjoy the shy shots. Plenty of we always say directly from those that know most, but we actually have someone in here they knows it most. Oh, what's up everyone bald? Boss, lock is. Brad wise, gorilla Gerber to blow over guerrillas droplets. Yeah. Salvator, I and we have a lot of letters in our last. Yeah. We have a I'm like super super super excited about this guest today. It's Nancy Robinson. She is one of the best in the business. Nancy? How are you great? How are you? Thank you for coming to the show. We're do we're doing well because you're here. Yeah. We're really excited. Nancy really knows her stuff Nancy's been in the business. I, I don't even know how long have you been in business? Wani one years. Oh so, and you have a real say, work double time spur, like forty two right? In real estate years. Eight hundred yeah. Ninety. So I mean Nancy, obviously has built an awesome awesome business. He's a great following. It's funny. Because our business has a lot of, like, you know, people that do really well, in the kind of like talk. You know, when you talk about, like someone like a glove or somebody like all clever or this person, Nancy does not like Nancy's reputation is impeccable in the industry, which is good. Yeah. So I want to kind of talk to you about that. I do want to talk about the market. You a lot of great market analysis analysis. I've seen that, that you do that. So I wanna talk about that on talk about your story and what your plans are going forward, and what you see going forward more than anything. And of course, we're going to talk about the interest rate market right now because it's, it's really crazy. We did not expect to be at this point right now. What's up this low that no, we do not, and everybody's calling now it's funny because it's changed so much. Everybody's calling for to go lower now. Yeah. Is that why is why? Yeah. I think if the bond yield was a human, I'd be very concerned. It's bleeding. Yeah. It's really interesting. What's happening? But let's, let's get it to Nancy, like obviously you. You've had some changes recently. But talk to me about where you are right now on your career because it seems like you're a really good place with it. Well, so, okay. Yeah, just had a big change. I went from the brokerage. I was with her twenty years. A new new one but they've been around for forever. Yeah. So Kernan bursts, gays also century twenty one firm. Yeah. Adema gate took over from his father in law. Centuries transitioning, that was Bob Curren, so old-timers would know that name. Okay. Atom been in the business about five years, his MBA finance Markelle smart guy. Young guy too. That's good. Yeah, yeah. He said he was like thirty seven hundred thirty seven oh yeah. That's that's impressive. And well, you guys know because you're in that same age range is that success? Is his only option only option? Do anything else. You don't you don't. To put into this fail. Feel. Yeah. Can't feel can't do it. Zimmer family anything. He does has three kids. That's a pretty big motivator. Get some kids. But I don't want to go back to school. So has it girlfriend? Yeah. He has a girl. Yes. I ever go from on. Wonderful. Girlfriends can turn to us. So she makes you want to be at the office more. So. Just kidding. Listen to the show. So, so talk to me. So it's essentially, twenty one's interesting to me, because they just went through this whole rebranding, right for, for me even on the outside looking in the brand was getting kind of antiquated overtime for sure. Right. And now it's they've really the really kind of focusing on doing this rebranding. So what are they doing differently now? So the other the other thing that is our CEO is like thirty seven. Okay. And so his name is Mike Miller. Mike has been in when he got out of graduate school started with century twenty one so that was like ten years ago now. So he's like a brand walk. Yeah. And for him, also failure is not an option. So he really wants to take this brand, you know, back to its roots, and then forward. So it's really, we've really focused on training and technology. It's big and yeah, you could have gone. Is you could have gone crazy, like so when I knew I was going to make a change I interviewed with every broker out there with a couple exceptions at all ready. Knew wouldn't be a good fit. Right. And nobody's literally nobody had the training programs for new and experienced agents can have a good mix of the two earliest greasy. Yeah. Because because if you've been in the business for all, you also have to be on top of the, the, the what's coming out next. Right. Absolutely. Right. And so being with people who are, you know, on the younger side. And here's what I mean by that, the average age for realtors, fifty seven, right? So thirty seven twenty years younger than the average. Right. Not know that, if that averages there, then there's, there's on the other side of the spectrum, too, right? Right. And, and those are folks that are just coming to, you know, check check him in writing off the top of, you know, maybe thirty forty years of success, and they're doing, you know, maybe a transaction a year there. That's the beyond just really not that much. So, you know, raining in the, you know, the newer technology pieces, you know, the social media pieces here like doing podcast. Yeah, you're gonna thank. Yeah. I mean this was a really cool can techie way to, to connect with you to connect. So the old school thing is, is the just kinda steeped in the, the human relationships as very relational, and then the tech is how you get the relationships maybe kind of pushed him forward. Or get those get the information out there young, so it finding some blend of old and new is what's really pulling people together on this. So we talk about this all the time in our business. It's like we can't forget, what works but we've got a utilize technology and other other avenues technology gets you more at bats. Right. That's right. Whether it's a relationship you wanna make with business partner. Whether it's, you know, talking to a client, who's never heard. Of you. If you don't have the at bat you can't do what you know how to do. Also, just the at bats. I mean, our industry changes, constantly and technology changes can help you when you're at the plate so being being in tune with technology, or at least for millions with changes is going to help you. We'll imagine. Hey, can you send me the contract to sign, and you're like yeah. I'll know you mail it to you printed out sign it and Email, it back to me, or fax it or do you can actually even mail it. Right. People are like, oh, my to you, and you can sign it or just click a button. And that's like just a small thing that we probably take for granted every day, but absolately do fifteen years ago, normals using. Signatures. Right. And even like like you know, just kind of understanding the difference between the different consigning programs is really important. You know, like dot loop zone by Zillow privacy policy on that. So you check the box that you're gonna use out loop. You just gave Zillow all your realize. Oh, so even like Keller Williams, which big proponent of that loop. They're clicking off on it. So for I realize that now Zillow is taking their proprietary data. It's their data, which is very, very value. Right. So, like, just kind of understanding also how MLS is actually owned by group called core. Logic core logic. Yeah. So dynamo diet data mining company core logic makes a lot of money selling data ladder money. A lot of money so we need to understand all of us need to understand. How are, you know, phone call with just, you know, some, some person or somebody, you meet an open house is going to. Impact their Oliver futures on that. Oh, that's really going to work. So have you brought that up because I think there's a, there's something out there that doesn't get looked at enough, and it's one of the most valuable valuable things that agents are companies have is data cry. And if we can own that data, there's a lot of value there. And what happens a lot of times is like you said, a lot of people use third party apps, and we have one that we could use. But I'm very, very keen of what's that privacy policy? What does it say do? I own my data. And if you own our data, I'm out. I'm out. It's my data, and I need, you can use utilize so talk to me, how, you know, for you being in the industry for so long because a lot of agents at your level, at this time, just decided, like, okay, I'm going to get what I get. And I'm good. And they're not really as growth minded. So walk me through what made you decide to like, really start thinking, okay? I want to start evolving, which is, is, is rare for most group. Good good agents at your level. Right. So. Some one could figure that, you know, at the top of the mountain at the moment. Okay. So like the realize that. Yeah. It's how long do I wanna stay there? And how, how do I wanna stay there? Yeah. So with this new brokers allowing me to step back through the other systems that are in place in the support that's in place for me to think about that. Think about it more, clearly, so for me, I'm realizing that we're shifting into a buyer's market, now, that's because I'm a stance wonk. We're gonna talk about that, because I like that, like really watching numbers people lie. They spin at the way they want it to, to look emotion does, isn't doesn't tell everything right people it just because I feel like things Remy awesome. They might not be awesome coming from Paul. In certain markets like right now. Yeah. Everything's great list and acute house between one hundred and fifty and two thirty and that's gonna fly off the shelves on a minute. But that's because we, you know, for number of a number of reasons but does have to be acute house, can't pay like, you know, unq-. But, but yet when you look you look at our Markelle as really kind of flat from last year and what's going to then push things forward is working with working more with buyers, and treating them, you know, even as a more important piece of this puzzle you can't sell without buyers. Yes. But as a as a pretty big listing Asia, there's only so many hours on the day. So the next my next step is to take on so buyer's agents. Yeah. And that's how all of our way and I need a need to talk with enough people to now like who's who's head can really be in the game and who really wants to do that. Right. And so, that's, that's the kind of person I feel like to be a buyer's agent than as opposed to listing agent. Well, it's funny because most like like that, right start. And I need someone to start to finish a few people. So it's lonely at the top of the mountain. Right. It's definitely are like minded that are. I'm just saying you know why? Because both get to the top, and they become jerks. Onto. If you don't jerk, you know, most people are willing to either accept the help that will help them, get to the top, or have the drive to get there. Right. This is really hard. They can't even leave basically, you also have to have the vision of understanding that what you've been doing isn't going to get you to the next level, right? You've got to evolve in no matter how great you are. If you're not involving you look at Netflix, or they excuse me, blockbuster right there. Top of the mountain they didn't involve gone freight, right? Have you see you interviewed with a lot of different brokers out there? So talk to me about why you chose century twenty one. Because you seem like you've got to put together you have a good vision. Right. You understand what you need to do. It would have been successful on your right? I'm just curious. Because we've had like E X. And a couple of these other type of models. Why did you go with the century twenty one versus a model like that one hundred percent commission or like a larger split or something like that? I'm just curious. Like that. I don't wanna I don't wanna be on my own. So because you've gotta put way too many systems in place, and that takes me away from that would take me away from doing what I do best. So why recreate, you know but, you know by a building where you hire your infrastructure? You put putting all that stuff together. Some the same cost of rear as just pink somebody. It's already built over the house and everything. Perfect says I was just curious. I now have like three. Edmonds, I don't pay I pay for my Katie, but the other readmits in place. What's up man? But, but the other admins that are out there. It comes from the brokerage feed them, repay. So, so you salary social security, just all that. It's some of this just doesn't make any sense to build a model that you want to run. Right. Right. You want to do, so that's kind of those, those single brokerage or ESP, things don't really work out that, well, it looks like on the loan side. Right. Like you could go hang your hat with a as a loan, Ostry you go. Hang your hat with some broker who's completely absent. Right. Make a giant split. But you got to process your own files. You gotta do this do that. Something goes awry, no one's there to help you. Yeah. Or do you want to broker that's gonna offer you all the support in the world, she can run and business? Right. So that's, that's, that's basically all we look at it. We went out provide that the guys sometimes to didn't come back to the age thing to, you know, if, if it was twenty years ago, I might think about this differently, but, like, right. Now. Yeah. You know, I might retire in fifteen years. Retiring tenure. So talk to me how, how oh, go ahead. Finish fix. So, so a lot of the some of the brokers out there were like. Yeah. We'll, we'll open you office because they're on Birmingham. Right. So we'll while K. Well, we're open an office for Royal Oak, and they didn't. Okay. Thank you. They wanted to open office for me, and I'd step now intend to those smart. They say callback is healthcare. Tailgate. What your plan you know how we're going to do this now? We don't have the money yet we're not ready to do some of them are talking about downsizing, so because because a lot of them like take some of these offices that have two hundred and fifty off the two hundred and fifty agents fifty of them work. Maybe their warehousing, the rest of them, you know, so they're paying for this brick and mortars. You know, some cases, some huge, huge fronts. Yeah. More coffee than generating. Oh, that didn't make any sense. And then there was a couple of on this is back to the this is back to the like thinking about the future. Some of them said, one of them was going to give me this huge sign on bonus and a car, and no fees. And you pick the car ahead be green. Greenish cool. Beautiful beautiful. Yeah. But the thing was, they wanted me to change my Email address to their proprietary, brokerage on and on you, I'm a g mail. Okay. Well, let's talk about let's talk about wire fraud from the right. Right. So if they're out there tracing people with. Proprietary emails through spoof, it, you know, one wrong forward of an Email that somebody captures my Ian won't pay for an eighty one hundred and eighty thousand dollar. You know that's right. So sticking with g mail, or you know any, but any, any realtor out their tone. Don't use proprietary mail. Your mind works to when you think about. What you build into an Email or a phone number over the years. Yeah, it's just it's a bitch it right. You know. Us another thing. Central. Yeah. So what are you gonna do? If you miss an Email right as you never responded, right? Well, well, I changed my Email. Nice. No, right. Yeah. So the people in the century twenty one system. No me in the, you know. So that was that was kinda easy, but mainly it was because, you know, when you gotta get Adam to come in here because he's, he's just dynamite ill. It's sky them. If you're listening to your next. So, you know, it seems to me that you value different things. A lot of other agents do which is interesting agents go for the shiny object. They go for the bigger splits, in right ninety percent. Ninety. Ninety percent of ages is would've taken that car in the signing bonus for sure. And then they would have stuck it out with six months. A mile two year contract done that. I mean, even even loan officers what they'll do there's all these signing bonuses. They'll go to like negative maritime Jason Mons they never even made that in our life. Yeah. And then it's done in there. Like I got to go somewhere else, where. Who's gonna give me the next thing. They're not really building a business. They're just taking on anyways it. Somebody got a long game. Yeah. So what, what do you look for when you look for people that you partner with the what's important to you, because a lot of people are, you know, create some people don't really think of creating a team around them the way that a lot of people should because your success is based on all facets of the business. It's not just what you do. It's what you're ellos do what your title companies do what your insurance, people do. So what do you look at when you when you're when you're trying to decide who do? I work with really accountability. Honesty transparency. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Just things that hard to fake impassable to Fe off yet. I can't stand the truth. Those. Right. Like on our end, if we say, hey. We think we can get it done Friday, but you don't really know. Right. And there's a night. Are we closing tomorrow? Think so that's like nightmare as opposed to like. It's fine. It's fine. Right. Is opposed to hey, we're closing next Wednesday or sooner you just need to know in your head on Wednesday. I know it will happen by them. And then. Awesome. Yeah. Wants to people that can give me good news as well as bad news to straight straight up. Yeah. Let's trade out just give out news truth. I mean, really just speak your bad news. Good news travel faster than good news. Like you got to get that out there. Well, once in a while we'll be on a deal and it's like. I don't feel good about this one right now. No. Because as L. Yes, you always want to say, yes, I to right? But that's not the right thing to do if the deal's not gonna work, right? Hey, no. I'll even pass on sometimes if if it or even if you're not really good at, like there's a fifty percent chance as close as I don't even want to deal with it got another preapproval with whoever they do have him, do it, his, ultimately people ellos, a lot of time, just don't realize businesses, if I think a deal and fail at it, it just there's no coming back from that. I would rather give it to someone that I know can handle it. Let's say Michigan deal, we don't do that. Right. I'll give it to someone that specialize. K or some two or three where we can do. I don't want to do them, because in them, whatever it is too bad. Experience a bad, by the way, Lake, Michigan credit unions, really good with mesh and they're really good at. And they're really good at new construction. Yeah. All the time. We'd probably refer out a lot of business that and people are like, why would you do that, when she just keep it because we're not greedy a and b brand is more important than us, having a bad experience. Right. Right. And again expect to the relationship. Hey, got a guy at Lake Michigan. Credit union will easily. Do new construction loan. I just passed up on seven hundred thousand dollar loan that, like I thought, maybe my chance I did in through flags our whatever, you know. It but honestly, it wouldn't even be worth it. Yeah. It wouldn't even be worth it. Because at one bad experience could could ruin their relationship with the agent. The broker the title company, the client, who, there's fear of influence wouldn't return that relationship as me back loans that they can't do. Yeah. Yeah. You know there's a lot of young agents actually watching are watching us right now. I'm looking at who's, by the way. Mary Anderson, read, says, Hello, Sarah says a lot. Jodi says a lot. So what, what did because you've done this, and you've been through ups and downs. You've lived through the crash. What do you tell an agent? That's in the business. It's been for a year, that's actually wants to do this as because there's a lot. There's a big population that think they want to do it. They're out, right. They're not gonna make it because you have to have a huge commitment. What do you say Paul, the truth is they last four months? Yeah new agent. That's they ever. Right. Four months. Find a broker that will train you find a good mentor. Good training. Good training really training. Not like hey, do this. And here's a phone book right now. So, like what goes into that training. So if you were training, a new L, what would you tell them are the three or four more support things they need to focus on? I be yourself. Just really be a tradition. Yeah. And then learn everything you can about the business. So the first thing that, like, when, when my nephew Ellen j came on the first thing I said to him was you have to go. And at least ten inspections before you can work with one buyer. That's interesting, though. Now, nobody does that nobody does have because they don't even know. They'll get the Bill the good deal. Do the inspection. They don't know. They're looking at right. Right. So interesting. He went with, you know, probably probably do more Than Tun, maybe twelve fifteen and some different inspectors. And he learned a lot about how to shut truly show a house, what buyers care about is how much money is this going to end up costing them. And they don't wanna do two or three inspections three hundred fifty dollars inspection, spent been a thousand bucks and not get anything. Expection than you get the appraisal to them. Then somebody is. For sure. So, so those couple of the probably the three first things really know who who you are. I why you're getting into this, what, what your motivation is, you know learn the processes learn the documents learned forms. Learn the essentials of actually doing transaction in learning about homes because most people come in. Working with buyers, first, and then after couple years at segues into at least doing some listings. So those are the, the probably the core and just for those that are listening, Allen's agree job now he's really super interesting because his more Hughes born do this, too. He loves our minds thing. Our minds thing. Very like because I share this related. No, I have a lot of relations here just from what you've been saying. But in my mind, a new loan officers should sit with a mortgage processor for a week or two before they before they ever talked to a client because they need to understand what happens behind the scenes, how a mortgage actually works because that'll help them I think one of the worst mistakes, you can make is attaching to someone who will do it for you. That's the right source. You hey, you know you go up to their desk. Like I don't know what's going on. I got it. I'll handle it right. You didn't learn it might have been done. You don't know how to explain to the client is the easy way to do with. Oh, yeah. People gravitate towards and there's a lot of people don't even want it as person or or how I just wanted done right. Because it's gonna be issues for me if I don't as teaching them how to do it. And that's like something I struggle with lately. Yeah. Well, it's like it's like an illness or treating the symptoms. Right. You can treat a symptom, real quick. But the illness you've got to get in and deep and try to figure it out. That's how I look at it. I think is I think is pretty important that we understand everything from the ground up front were from the chorale in a hover, whatever metaphor. We wanna use on that. And then it's good like it works really, well, it was talking with a friend of mine in a agent, our office named Eric last night, and erica's thrilled. His been in the business where he's at his license for a long time. But his came back on the business about eight nine months ago and started with us over at town of country, and it just wasn't clicking for them there impart because, you know, the way that training modules and the help and the support, and then courage moment and all of that, just really wasn't there in the same way right now. He's got three closings this week. Oh, yeah. And his his his thrilled. Sure. We talk last night. And I said, you know, in the next twelve months, what I want him to do is to have one hundred and fifty thousand dollar closing. Two hundred in ish thousand dollar closing in a three hundred issue. And if he did three closings a month. It's not allowed to ask in this Mark really knows though true that he would be on on track and anybody anybody listening you would be on track for having a two hundred thousand dollars a year. Right. When you break it down like that. Right, right. And that's, that's the thing about taking down a core breaking it down one hundred fifty two hundred three hundred you're going to end up with a two hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah. But then you got those agents change your life. Like if you knew you knew every year for the next, you know, ten years or how long you wanted to be in it. That, that's essentially what you have to do. Yeah. Yeah. How'd you feel? It felt good about like you know, paying off student loans about buying the house about, you know, knowing when and we're in how you're going to take vacations, you know, but people look at the million dollar listing shows and all this stuff, and they want the big hitter, right? They wanna go big. I'm gonna go big. I'm gonna go big you gotta do the work, right? You gotta do the work to get there. It doesn't just happen can get those million dollar listings. Unless you've just absolutely point that that's the direction and the only drugs and you're going to go, and then you have to have a big enough marketing. Chat qui, and even that guy's not getting them. He's not getting right now. He's, he's doing all right. Dr. But he's a he's a good kid, but he's, he's been doing it, though. That's like what you have to do. He went and management, though, right? Yeah. He didn't. All right. Why? Right. So, you know, in this in this business, you know, we find that it's cutthroat it's super cutthroat, and it doesn't have to be, but it is. But you're right. It doesn't have to be. But it is the reality is it's cutthroat and there's not a lot of loyalty like it. Just it's very it's money driven a lot of times, and it's tough to, you know, we, we work with a lot of different agents. And the ones we work with very fortunate that we build a real relationship. We're not just transactional. So talk to me about in the twenty years that you've been doing this. How you've kept yourself a humble and be kind of kept yourself away from that dirt, you know, because it can get dirty. So I care more about the people than the prophet. That's okay. It's big. It's just it's just kind of a simple as that. Yeah. It's hard to find. Someone with that mindset. Yeah. Listen in this industry. There's a lot of money in it there. There is enough to go round there. Allies base really everybody stepping on each other's toes. It gets kind of cut through some times and it's like get it. Those people end up kind of going away. Also, after a while, don't you see that they don't really stick around and it's because they're, they're eating themselves out from the inside the Rafa driven not profit driven, and you can smell it on people. There's no more bridges to be like looking at you. Like you're my paycheck. Let's say so. Creepy. If you like. Anyone in this business and. Man. I think anyone in this business who will be successful understands that it's not about the one day. All right at say, hey, I ended up doing this for free just to get a closed right? Appraisal came in low. They didn't have enough money. We gave up all our Commissioner close it. Kinda sucks, right? Yeah. We have expenses. We're a business. We keep the lights on boss doing the right thing. I know that this person loves that house in what I did for them is will grow. Right. But most people don't think like that unfortunate. Most people are like they don't have the ability to you. Don't always Kim. Yeah. You can't you can't work for free from reality for profit business. We always say, we are for profit, but we can do good work within that. Right. Right. We can we can, we can I look at it everyone's going to get a free deal you know, once in a while to get something done. I believe there's a value for working with us. And that's how I feel and I don't feel bad, making money because I do good work. Now, if I didn't I'd be ripping people off, right? So some sell on talk to you about this. Okay. So you're asking me about, like we're all like, we're this kind of mindset, I'll comes from. So I don't always talk about this. Talk about my dad for minute. Okay. So, yeah. Going deep on this in an actually behind that would be his his parents. So come from a background where my great grandparents some of them were like from the south slave owners. Okay. And so on my dad's dad side, my dad's bombsite. There were abolitionists. Wow. Mccoy kind of the world changed. And you know, it's a good mix. So you've got a lot of San father was born in eighteen eighty six jet it, so you got real stuff. But anyway, so there's my dad with kind of this, this, you know. Ethic strong ethical mindset World War, Two breaks out. He was born at twenty four so is like nineteen, and he joins up so he joins a hundred first airborne. Got it as a medic cells, raise this. This is my stuff. Also, white, like he's exciting. My dad did the second Normandy Joe. Get out of here. Wow. Yeah. Never talked about a lot. But that's that's I mean that speaks a lot to his character. I mean that takes nineteen all's. Yeah. Team going into. Yeah. Nineteen hundred. Yeah. So the second jump doesn't get talked about a lot, but he was the m- his in the medical corps. The cleaned up. Oh my God. Do the dirty goal. My goodness. Could you imagine down there patching up guys? Wow. So that, how did that affect you? Doing the right thing. Yeah. Like building. But you can put yourself off to the side. And no. And just understand that, that when it comes down to it, and it's something that really needs to be done needs to be done right. You just do it. Just do it. Yeah. I mean, there's, there's not really another option, right? Like when especially when that's like your, your job. Right. And people depend on you and count on you. For us. It's not life and death right in that instance it's, it's insane. You know and to go through something like that come out and then live a normal life. Like blows my mind. On the list. But you know what I mean to live a life, that seems normal to assimilate with the rest of society after seeing on doubtedly the banned from the larger stores in the world. You know, it's, it's insane. So, so that's where it comes from. I mean it comes from kind of like a family history place. And I couldn't courage people to like, get to know their family roots. They get to know your history tells sit down on ever. Talk to your grandparents don't option anymore. And I had video interviews on my grandfather in Greece before he passed. And I asked him deep questions, which is an I haven't all recorded, and I did that because I didn't want to lose that and you the time short, I'm very very, very thankful. I did that. But had I not done that I lost all that? There's no, my dad doesn't know all that stuff either, I that's coming for my my grandfather's mountain. He's been a lot. So I encourage anybody to your point if you have loved ones that have lived through record it like write it down. Learn it, because it is where you came from no matter what it's in your DNA, and that's who you are. Yeah. Regardless, our DNA like it's a copy of people over time, and that's who you, become right? So my mom's sides, a little crazy. I don't talk them. So. But okay. So that's awesome. So obviously character all this stuff is really, really important. I wanna talk to you, by the way, you're getting a lot. I mean. Yeah. Affect a lot of people because we don't get this many people actually like Adam Kelly. Kelly Adams in everybody's so talk to me about what you're seeing the market, because you are stats person. Right. Your numbers and I saw you do a post where you actually broke down listings kipper to Seoul, compared to pending and all that. And about ready to post post another one getting ready to, you know, then the month because I'm we're at, I think we're at a point where we're starting to realize there is a shift coming. We're, we're probably going into a recession pretty soon. It's not going to be like two thousand eight. Two thousand like the dot com rock. Jimmy normal recession correction three percent two percent decrease whatever may be rates. We. Yeah. Could be whatever it is. But the point is I'm making is that it's happening something's happening. So what are you seeing numbers wise in the very tip of the needle where were you living at? But you kind of catch it early because you're looking all all these little numbers that people look at well, I'm looking at this statistics daily anyway. So I'm seeing that there's more more property on the market right now than there's been an really longtime that's been consistent for about four or five months. Now got Aaron it's not coming off as quick, and we're getting as many price changes as we are pending. So that's flat. Yes. And that says that to me that the sellers are overly optimistic about the prices of the home, because we shouldn't be getting this money price reductions got it and. Yeah. I mean, I think that the. So when I his agent. A lot of agents and I've done it too. I mean, I was like up there compete listing horror. Books. Where were, you know, take the get the listing right listing? But if you, but also, we're looking at statistics that are go back ninety days to one hundred and eighty days for prices prices are fine, actually prices are actually kind of up, but we're over cooking. You know, we're pulling them up even a little bit higher than they should be like a house should be at two fifty nine. So now to right exactly something like some something in. Attribute that to last summer, people are trying to replicate. What happened last summer and they're trying to get into it early. And I also think that people are a hero hurt at three times last week or the past few days. Anyway, people saying that they want to grab as much equity, as they can right now and they're looking to possibly rent people are catching up give investment properties, I would sell right now. Personally have let's say twenty of us probably I'd sell ten of them, five of them. Maybe get the equity out get cash put some cash reserves. And there's some arguments for that. And I don't think. But I also think if you're selling your house right now. You gotta listen correctly. Right. But what, what is kind of crazy on our end of things? If you have a qualified buyer, we are getting a ton of property inspection waivers. Which means you don't have to get an appraisal. Yeah. Through even on attached condos which is a I I've seen I mean, cash transaction when I make that call, right. I say, listen we need an appraisal. What do you mean? We're I'll talk to the agent. Did you guys go in high expecting to come in low right to renegotiate? And if they say, no, this is the nicest one, right? There's no COMSAT will support it. We think it's going to come in low. The seller doesn't want to let it go for less. All right. Let's do the POW, right. That makes sense and they paid for it. And now that's a new camp. Right. It's driving things, though. Without having an appraiser look at it and unfortunately, for appraisers looking back, they can only do so much for the market going forward, right? Right. And that I think that those inspection waivers help us and also hurt us, right? Some people over definitely overpay for homes at those a lot of it is a it's a hybrid inspection. Waiver though. Yeah. All that's fine. But my what I really want to get to is what all this data's coming in, and you seeing it as a as a real estate agent is somebody in the in the business. What does that mean? And how do you prepare for the next next phase in the neck in this process? So that was one of my motivating questions for thinking about changing brokerage. Okay. One. And oh, who has already thought through all of this already anticipated? All of this to be a head of it. His be head of the God of you, right? Not already lost Adam. That's right. That's exactly why made the made not exactly. But that's ninety percent of why made the change that I made in who went with is for that training because they think about the last ten years. We've just been on an upcycle. You haven't had to learn how to work with, with Keno depreciating values or anxious buyers. Or you know, sellers that are over, you know, over anticipating what they're gonna get so that it's all getting trained properly, so preparing for the different market, bright, putting putting more tricks in that bag and knowing where they were there at so we can pull them out and use them. And I don't mean like tricks as a trickster way. But just, you know, maybe tools as better word than trucks, you know, just to understand that. And sometimes, you know, let's go back to this doing doing a proper interview with client up fr. Aren't really trying to find out what they're about why they wanna buy what their real budget is what they're areas are. You know, can you find them what they're looking for, in the place that they're looking at sometimes you just can't like if somebody wants ocean view in Detroit, you, I can give you Riverview. But. You know, it just doesn't but sometimes buyers don't even know what they want and a good agent will get them to that really to do to do. A deep dive interview to you know, I guess we call it qualifying them. Really qualifying them. You know. And that saves a lot of you know, a lot, you guys are great at quote, you, you get their income, you get their assets. You get all of that on our side too. So I got a vitamin you're cute. And I lake you. You know, and then lower, let's meet, you out and show, you twenty houses, you know, and they're like, I don't want to live any in any of them. So you got. Yeah, you definitely have to figure out who they are what they are what they want. What are your goals? Learn just just learning how to interview people, you know, so that they're not feel like opinion or view that having a real live conversation with them, you got to care about knowing your people. Don't know how to ask intrusive, you know, detailed questions, not because they don't they, they don't really know how to go there and the, they just want the deal too, right? Right. So they'll, they'll take whatever they say, I wanna buy a house, cool. Let's go right. While the writings, you know, and the worst is when you go and show all these homes and then they come back, and they talk to their mortgage guy or whoever it is. And they're like, whoa, that's way out of our budget tack to people about taxes. Big deal. I wanna move to Grosse Pointe. All right. Fifteen thousand dollars. I want to move to Hazel park. Oh, yeah. Hazel Harkin investments would happen with health easel parks tax. Because the tax base is so okay. You know, they so as the millages, this year, actually less than what they were last year as more people move into the city and there's more tax base for row. Detroit, Detroit always is right. Saying eventually when they have enough taxes coming in the millages will return right there. Stents ninety-one. Yeah, that's seventy eight for homestead. Yeah. Just talk about what's happening in the economy going forward and kind of how you gotta get prepared for it. Just so the audience knows yesterday. We got a message. It says, Fannie Mae and Freddie, MAC or tightening up their, their qualifications by and probably like thirty percent of vehicles that we were gonna get before are not going to get approved and that speaks volumes to me in the sense that Fannie, and Freddie are realized they're seeing it coming to preparing for it. And we don't want to have the foreclosure problem and put people in bad loans. So we're going to get tighter so people that were getting approved before, like won't run to you potentially, too. And when this change makes happens and someone might have seven hundred credit they might not qualify with three percent down because now Fannie Mae wants to see them. Put ten percent down. It's getting tighter and people are starting to move towards there to protect insulate the business. I liked that because it protects our industry. We need that because otherwise if it's gluttony and everybody's just going for the money then we go back to where we were right? I don't eat will kill us. I don't like the, the way that the potentially doing it that could cause some issues with pre approvals where issue preapproved, we haven't things you or, or LP, which is Fannie and Freddie's automated, underwriting systems, nothing's worse when you write a pre approval. They come up with an update within that thirty day period. Right. We need to know when it's released or who's using it because lenders implemented at different times. They have like a window that they can imply by right? So all of a sudden, you rerun that system whenever someone who's putting three percent down doesn't work. Yes. Right. And you got a scramble, you gotta figure it out at work has professionals. We have to be a head of that, just like you said and prepare for it, but it's difficult because a lot of people that think that pre approved even we think are preapproved we go to run it again. So we we're gonna have to be very on top of it, and run all our pre collision that just to be safe. Well, Fannie, and Freddie would put much more infamous on reserves. Right. I think that's the big factor. They do. I mean you can get into a house. It's like dude, you need thousand. Two hundred twenty two dollars a close. You have four thousand two hundred twenty one put a dollar in the Bank, and let's go right? Two and a half months. They used to be six depends. Whatever the system says, I think now like if, if they're thinking about the future, and what actually matters. I mean you can have someone who puts three percent down on a four hundred thousand dollar house or DTI is forty nine point nine nine percent. And it's going approve, and they have zero cash reserves. Right. Right. But what they want other guy who's maybe got low GTI a Mark on his credit. He put three percent down. But he he's got a hundred K and in savings. Sorry. Sal, you know what they want? They want they want equity and you're gonna you're, we're gonna see that higher down payments are we'll go approved over lowered because if there is a correction, let's say there's a five percent correction well they want ten percent equity. So they could they retain the another five percents that they want they want you actually put your skin in the game. Right. They don't want a cool yet one hundred gain the Bank. But if it comes down to keep that in the Bank, and I'm screwed on my asset. Michael, essentially, I don't know. I think it's. Combo, the mole that they've got to look at it. I'm sure that the guy sitting behind there aren't just like they know what they're doing it out there. I'm sure they're, they're calculated in their efforts. Most beaches down anyways it. You know, I bought my house with minimum down. I walk away with a cool, ten g's right after I sell it after paying commissions and transfer taxes and owner's title you. I mean you're there. Yeah. I put minimum amount of mine in my mind. It was. I'll keep my cash liquid. It's a long-term debt. Anyway. It's going to preview to see less of that, because we're going to burnish over thirty years, it's still going to appreciate my house is still gonna appreciate your also got three or four kids. Yeah. Jesus. Thirty. You're already. I'm sorry. I just shows the show that needs. But we do this thing Nancy called three questions. Okay. All right. So there are three totally random ones static. We do it every show. I one we do every show is what scares Nancy. Robinson scares me. We don't ask everyone about you, but. What scares it? Any of them? Boy, she doesn't get scared people that she's not afraid of any maybe this question. She's afraid of questions. I can't think anything really. Maybe it's the it's the genetics you'll jump out of a plate if you have to know right? It could be a spider. No, no nothing bigger in spiders, scary. He's not very what movies. I don't like them. I don't I don't watch them. So you're scared a scary movies, I guess. Yeah. You did Dirk force heaven. I already have a scary movie way in the way back of my head that can override any of the other. And I'm not scared of that. I don't know. Stay of think about that. Okay. So I'll give you another question. Right. If you can have any humans knowledge download and it's your brain the one person, right? It could be Einstein who would whose brain would you download in your rain and have all their knowledge. How? That's a good question. Like that. I got to do to. Yeah, that's nice too. Warren Buffett came. I I mean he's pretty smart. Yeah. And then Jesus came second. He probably needs some stuff. I wonder. I wonder. Gods sprays. Just go right there. You can make a lot of money and, you know, everything, and you can heal people. It doesn't it didn't end. Well, but the last do you have to have all their experiences. I don't know just. Checked it after right? Like I want wanna know it for a minute, and they'd be like, all right. I don't I don't know if I want to know all that, you know that. That their last question. This one's just fluff. If you could be any animal in the animal kingdom. What would it be like our dog? So it's. Wait, wait, wait. What dog? I mean I don't blame her dog like having having a latte. What kind of dog like a Doberman? We'll kind of Don. I'm just fluffer nutter mixed breed, signed a fluffer like a fluffer nutter, you know, just some fluffy shaggy dog dog that could just eat drink and just lay in the sun on, I'd wanna be. Thanks, awesome. Quilt because Elaine wait there. You know, they can. I think it depends on the owner of the dog, you know, cost, I interact with humans that in no, the way that any other animal through. I don't know. I'm not scared bond supervisor evil. Cats are fine. They're okay, but they're, they're scared. Have you ever? Plotting. Ever since I walked by a cow, and I was wearing like flip flops or something. So my, my ankles. Yeah. His. We'll get some nicer and Bill per, and they'll bite you. Like, you know, dogs is want to cuddle with you and hang out and, you know, they're usually more chill chill. Yeah. Some dogs and they'll play with you. Take a walk with you. I relate. Some bugs though, are like sharks, where they're just like reactionary like, when you throw it a treat, it's bytes, no matter what. And then there's other dogs are like Wales, right? Yeah. They'll look at it, they'll nudge the treat around, they'll smell it. They'll be like, nah. No. I'm good on the another dog. You could throw it a, a marble and it would break its teeth on it. Right. He tried to take like one of those. Those stick away from a dog play. Right. They just wanna play with the ball and they're going to win. All right. Next weekend dog show. Oh, yes. Yes, I did. I can't I can't. Thank you for being on our show. I know it's a great time out of your life. If you hear it did fly by tell the audience atom enemy your next yet, they're adamant Suzanne. He goes, I'm in. Thank you for the kind words. Nancy Robinson a true professional to say, you know, Nancy tell the audience they can get a hold of you. If they if they need any help real estate, or I could sure myself to say, let's good two to four one zero one three one more time, two four eight two two four one zero one three and give that g mail out. Yeah. Nancy DAT Robinson zero one g mail dot com. Did you text or phone calls or ever for one another? Whatever just communicate communicate. You're looking if you're looking to sell your house, if you're looking to buy a house, if you're an agent. Yeah. Right. All of those. And if you're not sure if you want to sell or add on call me on that too, can help you out, Nancy, you charge just, you know, give you some good advice. We'll tell you right off the bat Nancy's one of the most gracious with their time. So we appreciate it. You really do. So thank you. Thank you. See guys X week. We've oh by the way, I think we've got very heavy coming back on the show. It's me guys about next week not next week night. 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