20 Episode results for "Mike Lombardi"

Introducing The GM Shuffle

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

02:26 min | 1 year ago

Introducing The GM Shuffle

"Hey, Peter King here. I've got to tell you Mike Lombardi has got a great new podcast called the GM shuffle. Hear it right here. Where you get your podcasts. Football's a game. But it's not about a collection of talent. It's the building of a team. And how those teams come together is really important. And that's what I've learned from Walsh. That's what I've learned from Davis. And I really learned it from Bill Belichick. Hi, I'm Michael Lombardi. My new podcast is the GM shuffle. And I am going to take you inside draft rooms, I'm going to take you inside organizations. I'm going to take you inside the game to explain it to you as you're sitting there and even tell you who may win and who may lose on Sunday. Football is chess on grass, and I think I understand the chess game why did we win? And why did we lose when you can ask those two questions really adequately than you have a chance to improve your football team. And you can't you're going nowhere fast. You should listen to this one. If you want to know the truth because I've always prided myself on saying exactly how I feel. It's one of my pet peeves the draft is you're gonna get Mel kiper. She's gonna come on and say, this guy's a first rounder. What is this player going to do? That tells me the round pick him. I could be right. I could be wrong. But I'm going to say it the way I feel like it is because for me part of my profession as being an executive was being honest. The lie continues about ally manning, they keep convincing themselves. All he needs is. If we have a better line if we have a better run on game. If we get a better receiver when you start using the if were to describe your team it's over with. I wanted to be honest with myself, I wasn't gonna play the political game. Like that scout. And just come out after the drafted say, I was right. I was wrong. You know, I was going to be the guy that said what I had believe understand the. Franchise that name on the front of the jersey is way more important than the name on the back. And they've got this kind of screwed up. I never wanna to be the revisionist history. I'm gonna tell you exactly what I feel how I feel. I'm gonna say it, honestly. And you're gonna learn about football from unique perspective if you want to understand football of how they're playing it. Then you should listen to this podcast to learn the deeper depths, and the reason why your teams one team. Plus, my new podcast is the GM shuffle. Subscribe on apple podcast radio dot com or wherever you get your shows.

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Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi and John Ourand

Sports Media with Richard Deitsch

1:07:33 hr | 1 year ago

Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi and John Ourand

"Everybody. This is Richard dick and welcome to the sports media podcast. My producers always towns Malabon coming up on this week's episode two segments first up, and then Burke, and Mike Lombardi they are now co hosting a new podcast called the G M shuffle. That podcast is a cadence thirteen podcasts the same podcast company that does mind so little bit of crossover here as the cadence thirteen people much like the godfather may be an offer I couldn't refuse so Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi coming up in the first segment and -nology. We talked about this podcast, but we get into Adnan being fired by SPN his thoughts on this. And think you're going to be interested in what he has to say we follow that up with John rand. He is a regular on this podcast from the sports media journal and sports media daily. They're fine media reporter the conversation. There is about ABC and trying to be a player when it comes to the upcoming NFL packages will. ABC get a Super Bowl. That's very very interesting story in sports media. We also talk about the CBS WNBA deal CBS and CBS sports network will now air forty WNBA games. Very good deal. I think for both John gets into the reporting that he's done on Sinclair who as we tape. This are the leaders in the bids for the FOX branded RSN's, and then we finish up with Abigail. Disney's comments on Bye-bye and corporate compensation at Disney, and how ESPN is who were laid off over the last couple years would feel about seeing Bob Eiger pulling down, you know, sixty plus million dollars in compensation single year. So at Virk, Michael bardy Johnno rant coming up on the sports me podcast. All right. Adnan Virk and Mike. Lombardi are co hosting a new podcast. It is called the GM. Shuffle. The podcast is being done by cadence thirteen the same company that does this podcast, and I was happy when I received an Email from canes thirteen executives to say would you like to have these guys on? You know, obviously, the hostage situation that they put me in probably how this. We made you an offer. You choose Richard pretty. Yeah. Credibly enough. There was a racehorse in my bed. Very scary stuff. All right split seriously and invert and Mike Lombardi are coasting new podcast called the GM shuffle. So far of us a really good. Let us give their quick resume and ember because the host of designs changeup MLB whiparound show as well as a host at the MLB network. He worked for ESPN for more than a decade, and we will get into some of that on this podcast. Mike Lombardi is a longtime NFL executive who has worked for ESPN CBS sports Showtime, the NFL network, Fox Sports Sports Illustrated, the ringer and now the Atlantic. In addition to his cadence thirteen podcast that he's doing with that NAN and that Virk and Mike lumbered, Mike Lombardi join me today on these sports media podcast. Or are you guys doing great rich? Let's get this out of the way. I the reason I'm doing this is because jemele hill was in the pod last week. And thanks, by the way, very kind of work. She said about me, and I support her as well Jamila zone bother check at our podcast. She's and sessional, but she's been on your podcast this one in the previous ones, social. Media podcast. I believe three times heard I are neck and neck. So I'm just doing this to vault ahead in terms of being a trivia question. One day who was the most often the guest on the Richard Deitz podcast and Lombardi's here to really bring the humor in the heart. I I don't know. I was listening to read my resume. I'm like gosh. Oh, I didn't know I work those many places. I appreciate it. Let me tell you something adn to similarities between dramatic pretty much end with the downloads. She'll be back. She is wildly popular. I am not shop. She she will. Absolutely be on. All right. I'm gonna try to address you both here. Let us start off with with you. Add and how did this podcast come together? Well, it was great rich. What happened because cadence thirteen kind kinda jumped all over it. You know after everything went thirty SPN. You don't know what your job prospects going to be? You're not sure where you're gonna end up and canes to actually my first meeting on my comeback trail, so to speak, and as soon as I walked in here, the officers that were taping your Manhattan, they couldn't have been more supportive. Chris Corcoran and John McDermott and our producer Jolie entire team. They're like, listen, whatever happened to you just be an happen where huge fans your work, and we'd love to put you in Michael embark together. And I knew Mike work a little bit new he'd been at the ringer. I've read his book I'm going to get around to that. But I sure I love to meet him. And I'm a huge NFL fan. I'd covered college football for five years at ESPN. But NFL one of my favorite sports. Lifelong eagles fan all the rest of it. So we come in here. And everyone's. You know, pretty supportive and friendly and then Mike walks in here, and literally he's he has the room in stitches. I mean, you talk about a force of energy and a guy who just commands the room with the elected or not he's that guy, and he's just got stores for days, and this is right after the whole Robert Kraft situation. So of course, Mike being a plethora of information having worked for the patriots. And just being funny guy. I tell you he had the room, and I said because being true ham who hadn't been on TV for like a month. I said let's go tape something right now and Corcoran's shirt. Let's do it. So literally, Mike, and I went the studio and we did about twenty one twenty five minute pockets. This was February twenty seventh and literally after that Corcoran's. Okay. We'll release it this. They will do this. And I'm like, wait. Did I get the job like like normally when you're unemployed and you're going to get work? You're waiting for that moment. They say, congratulations. Here's your paperwork. Here's HR. No. We already had the job rubber-stamped. So it was one that was with great gratitude and elation to Mike and into the whole canes team. But also it had to be a secret because you and I are sitting on a texting each other. Lincoln this thing starting for everything else to come together. Yeah. No. It was you know, we keep a cigarette. But it was awesome. Because you start off that day with I I love the sopranos, and that's really all needed to hear. And then we went launched right into it. And it was really it was a great conversation. And it was exciting for me. You know, having come from the ringer with Tate Frazier and really enjoyed my time there, but then to have somebody we could talk some movies about especially the sopranos because sometimes dealing with the millennial crowd. They don't quite know the sopranos. So it was good. It was fun. And I I was great. I mean, we we've done it with no rehearsal. Yeah. We've made it very clear here rich. I know everyone's obsessive game of thrones. I don't know where you're at on this. But we're we're down on on dungeons and dragons, incest, we like to focus on heavyweight of all time, which is the sopranos give your junior line, Mike, you know, sometimes some people suffer the race to actually think there'll in the lead. And I think that's true with a lot of NFL teams. I think it's true with a lot of this situation. So it was good. I I mean, look it's always good to have a banner back and forth with somebody where you can use analogies that we're in a business that is. A professional. It's business and to use the the the the pop culture references to help explain the people to see it makes it so much better. And that's what we've been able to do so far in our shows rich and your would love Mike as soon as he was talking about Brock Osweiler called love Tonga heist. Which is of course, a reference to goodfellas I can just picture Henry hill. I said that's what we're gonna get along. Well, and everybody died that's the other part about the low tons everybody around the tonsil. Hi, Scott killed and everybody around rock has basically been assassinated, pour out of jobs. Not a parallel. Yeah. That's not a parallel would have expected. But but well done Mike what you have done many podcasts before and certainly at a prominent place such as ringer. What do you want this podcast to be? And maybe more importantly, how do you break through amid all the other NFL pods? Why think you breakthrough by honesty? I think the one thing I've learned in life. I read Neil Simon's book rewrites years ago, and they'll Simon was having trouble for people that don't know Neil Simon is a great playwright because I have to explain this because many millennials don't know who is lost in Yonkers fans out there. Yeah. There's not enough of of goodbye, girl, Marsha Mason. And all that. But anyway, he wrote in his memoirs he said, you know, I had trouble writing. I had trouble writing plays because I wasn't making the characters. Interesting enough enact one for the audience to want to see him in three. And I think this podcast is going to be interesting act one, and you're gonna wanna stay around for act three because we're going to talk, unfiltered sports NFL talk, as you know, from Mike. I don't. Hold back. There's no sense in holding back. I'm thirty some plus years in the league I've got three Super Bowl rings. I don't really I have no intention of going back. I don't wanna go back. I wanna have the second career in life. And I want to be able to get to act three with the audience. At what at the moment. What is your schedule in terms of when you will release, and ideally, what would be between, obviously the conversations that you and Mike will have what would be what would be an ideal. What would be an ideal guest for the GM shuffle? Well, I think we're going to do rich the key is consistency. As you know, when you're sl are now working fail in Toronto. And doing this podcast through cadence thirteen I think the key is consistency. So for us. We've taped the first couple of weeks here in a Monday and released it on Wednesday. But I think generally we're going to tape it on Tuesday released on Wednesday and go from there. I think the key is just trying to spread the word. And as Mike said, you, you know, you build an audience and just kind of spread the word what we're going to be doing. But I think if you can go weekly, you know, one thing I learned from ESPN. I was there for almost nine years is that the NFL really is a year round sport. And I don't know if that's accurate of all the other sports in the NFL. There's always something to talk about there's no dead period. I hear some meals after the drag it's a little bit quieter, but Mike, and I remember joking about the ice. And that's when we can get really loose. That's when he's told me Al Davis stories, laughing talk about Paul Newman and the Verde. And stuff that we're into. And then, you know, the easiest shows is you know, are doing the sports calendar. So NFL Susan's a breeze. We're gonna walk in your in Tuesday and say who's good who's not power rankings, etc. So I actually think the summer shows are going to be fun because we're going to be able to show more personality. And as you know with podcasting where it's it's all about personality and aligned people that kind of see where you are. By the way, you know, the verdict did the James Mason lawyer gets a little bit too much love in terms of of being a great lawyer actually fucked case up his Newman was he really actually made some critical mistakes. Even though, you know, even though he gets sort of love if you're watching the verdict in the room anyway. Nurse kostelic. It's called up there. And she talks with the fact that they've fudge the change the number Mason, screw up there. Right. Right. Never Caitlyn Castillo's to hear of that movie. In addition to obviously. Judge's haircut was the key to that movement. Shays? Shays? Very good. Boston Boston judge there. Mike what you have worked, obviously for many media outlets at this point after your NFL career. What have you learned about the media having been on both sides having been someone who? Who sports writers and sports broadcasters. We'll talk about and then obviously being somebody who is on the media side talking about the people who are in the NFL, either personnel, people coaches, players, etc. I think straight talk really as long as it's researched. I don't think it's, you know, just come out of left field and say something, but I think if you're honest, and you have facts to base it up. I think people crave knowledge about the NFL. I wrote about this in my book people that watched the NFL specially some of the comments this why Tony Romo has been so successful very few people in the NFL play offense and defense in basketball Barkley played offense. He plays defense. He knows the whole game. But the understand the whole game is more complex football. And I think the one thing I've learned through my time from the time I was with Jim Nance on the NFL today when it just came back is people crave. Knowledge, they crave. More information about the sport about how it's works. The inner workings of how teams do it how they draft. How coaches think and I think that's something. I can provide enough have tried to. In my career. It may upset some people 'cause you say some things, but I think at the end of the day. The political argument is always people's give their opinions one way or the other. Nobody gets offended in sports. If you say something bad about somebody, you're an outcast. And I think to me you're only going to gain credibility to the audience. If you're honest throughout the whole throughout your whole episode. And at this point. Would you call this a b minus segment or c plus? I think we're plus trying towards be minus. But I'm waiting for more Canadian to come in here. Because now rich listen, you're always I think in your own words, I wanna be Canadian now you are a full-fledged Canadian working with leading living in Toronto. Even though Rick Reilly thinks you and Michael Farber are walking the streets together. A Queen ski west. I mean now that you're Toronto I want you to test your CFL here with Mike I want you to see really go deep here with the the Argonauts, which I know is you're you're on the raptors lease right now with the Argos do a part of Richard is his heart. James wilder junior. You would you like me to really go deep into the? I love I think he's on the I think he might be on the bills. Now, actually, I think he is moved off from the Kennedy. The bills are your NFL team rich because if your years you spent in by now Directa God feel about the stills getting snubbed out of. I don't understand how they got snowed out of having any appearances on TV. They have fourteen one o'clock starts the whole year or something like that. And then they have what two that are four clock somewhere, and they don't travel. They have the thanksgiving. Well, first of all, listen, I wish I wish for buffalo teams to be successful. Because I'm a great fan of the city. I have absolutely no rooting interest in Buffalo Bills. It's you know, if they do good or they do bad. It has no impact sort of on me emotionally that said I do feel for that fan base. Just because it's been a long time. And yes there I don't believe they have a single prime time game. They do have a thanksgiving in for the first time in twenty five years. But you know, if you're going to be honest for the NFL, why would you put the bills on primetime? They're not there are better teams to put in those national windows. I think that will certainly draw you more viewership. So I, you know, if you're going to be honest, I feel like if you're the league you can't put the bills on now until their until they're better at least until they have more star power. I actually am fascinated by the Browns this year, another twenty year old employee Mike there, not only do I think they're going to be good. But I think we're going to be in for a five year run of the Browns being. Very much darling team when it comes to the prime time window, you know, I mean, everybody's jumping on the Browns. I it's going to be an interesting case study for me in terms of how they come together chemistry. How the culture within the building lays itself out with Dell Beckham and with Baker Mayfield Jarvis Landry and all those combination. I do I think, you know, they're going to be the living proof of this talent rule or teams rule, and I I've always lend towards teams now. That's interesting. That's an interesting. That's an interesting observation. All right, Adnan. I want to ask you some questions about ESPN. I realize I understand that you're probably going to be sort of very delicate political. But first and foremost, here's something you said to the Washington Post. Ultimately, I'm hurt that I was that replaceable for doing something. I thought was relatively benign couple months later, you still feel the same way. Or are you feeling differently about the situation as we tape this on April twenty second as you might have obviously a couple months ago? Yeah. I I think what's happened rich that with the the the advantage of time you will to kind of create more separation. I think ultimately I look back on ESPN career. I have nothing but good feelings towards ESPN. What they did for me from lawyer Landau. I hiring me. John skipper, John while tack gave me so many opportunities Lee fitting with college sports world, Mike mcquaid on baseball tonight. Scott masterpiece in senior radio thank. And I think what ends up happening is that once you are removed from the situation, and I'm sure you can speak to this. Sports illustrated. When you look at your tenure there, you focus on the best memories, and the stuff that really was special to you, and and meaningful, and if someone had said to me rich, listen, you're going to be in Toronto, you know, this because on right was on your PA the previous incarnation, and you'd sit a comment to the effect of I can't believe can't ever let Adnan go and Jason let them go. The never get much of a chance. Like, I was never star like John. Right. Dan o'toole? I'm not somebody who's well known like my boy cabbie or James Duffy or all those guys that worked with the TSN. You know, I was a guy who was just another grinder in Toronto. And I was so lucky that that Lori wanted to give me a chance at bien. And if you could tell me listen nine years later, you get to cover four college football national championships couple World Series, Phil Orleans lobby to call games at Yankee Stadium Fenway park Wrigley field for long lifelong baseball lover. It's amazing. I got to fill in on the biggest radio shows, Mike and Mike with golick work with the Ryan russillo. And so many people there and one of the biggest ones is Keith Olbermann. My favorite broadcaster. I actually got to fill in for. Keio twenty five times in one of his many incarnations at ESPN. So I think what is happening riches that once you removed situation you look at the tally of your career. And that the preeminent feeling is one of of gratitude for for all that UCF gave me, and I think it was a a mutually beneficial relationship. I think I was a guy who worked hard who was exceedingly. Well, liked by his peers and colleagues who was very receptive to whatever the company wanted to do. And therefore because I had a good attitude was willing to work hard. I was given a lot of opportunities as you. And I both know talented subjective. I'm sure there are plenty will tell me that. I stink out kick my coverage for far too long and his head was right to get rid of me. But I think it really was a good run. And I'm really grateful for it. All. All that said ad. And if you were a bigger name, do you think you would have been fired? Let's tough to say, you know, I'm so nurse assistant in my own mind. I think I am a big name. So that's probably too. But it's funny to your point like, you know, I kind of kept I did my best to stay away from social media during my six weeks sabbatical, but I would kind of cheer point go online here and there and things that you're right. I did see say, oh, man. I I don't know why the stories get so much play. Like is this guy? He's the guy that for 'em tells me that we're moving ahead in the college football coverage like he's really he's just fill in host and the radio like who cares about this guy? Why is it such place? So I do recognize the people who didn't know me. Now, apparently do know me and for those that were fans, I appreciate that. They're going to support me wherever I go. But listen, I I think that there's definitely definitely many layers to it, and like an onion certainly you can peel away. And you know, I say grateful to you. I thought that the podcast you did with Jim Miller who particularly impassioned I thought was fair. I thought it was sensible. I thought you raised a lot of salient. Points about whatever happened. And at times, I would read some articles and say that they were right for there's or factual inaccuracies that I would cut a laugh about it. And I think anybody who's ever lost their job. No matter what circumstance that they've been under realizes that you have to you have to persevere, and you have to have a sense of humor about it whichever way as possible. And ultimately, I had three things go for it, which is faith family and friends and those three have never let me down. And even in my darkest moment wherever things were harrowing. I was able to rely on each of those values systems and was able to emerge, and again, I think grad to really is the big emotion. I mean like you, and I both know agents sometimes people can consider them like a necessary evil. But when I lose a job, you know, my agents were right there for me, you know, Nick con medals CA, those guys couldn't have been more loyal non-judgmental supportive confident, which is probably a characteristic. I was lacking in the midst of everything that happened. But they they were like we got this. No problem. You're going to be fine. You're talented guy. And you. Hard. And there's gonna be other opportunities for you. And thankfully, the GM shuffling canes. Thirteen is one of them and to be able to reunite with John skipper does own. I mean, he was my old boss is always an excellent relationship. John. What types to be about Dunkerque, you'll appreciate this. It's a lot like a Robert Altman fellow Mike, I have course, because as, you know, overlapping dialogue and cross current storylines, and we're having this conversation like at the Little League World series in the trailer. I'm like, okay, only I and John skipper gonna have this conversation. And even the last time I saw John we were talking about lady bird and cocoa and how much both like those movies. So I I look forward to to reengaging in those conversations with him and also Jamie Horowitz who was an executive yet to dissolve on. Who was the one I met with the day Ackerman. Cadence thirteen he's the guy that I met with who said, you know, obviously, tell me what happened in your words and explain it to him. And he said listen your number one choice for this baseball show zone. Change up. You don't addition y'all to explain yourself. We think you're stud Jamie, and I obviously cross paths a little bit of speed. Although I never worked on sports nation, or I take those shows I did get to know Jimmy. A bit because I did fill it on Overman as a mention and Jimmy used oversee that show. So he was always really supportive me. I remember when I would fill in for K o one time has advice me because you know, you're underrated funny. You know, take bigger swings. Take bigger chances. He goes, you know, a guy like yourself. I don't think people can appreciate some of the tout loved you have. And that's what he said to me four or five years ago. And now he's telling me listen does own emerging power. It's the streaming network, which is the number one sports network in Japan. It's number one in Germany or making inroads in the states. I want you to be the face of it. That's that's awfully comforting. And that's awfully generous of him to say. So I think there's lots of thank yous and Bokassa complex to give out which I'm doing at do you watch professional wrestling at all I don't I mean, I know you're a big pro wrestling, I feel like although Robert Flora's is that MLB network and designs changeup is a co production with that will be network. So I know ro- flow is a big wrestling guy. Greg collie was old baseball tonight. Producers a big wrestling fan. So I have enough people rich ten gently tell me about wrestling. But I myself I. Kinda lost luster back in the days of demolition wrestlemainia back in Toronto. Believe Ninety-one HOGAN, Andre the giant famous famous moment, you're resting after an aficionado. So you know, this right, right. The first of all I love that you answer that question. So earnestly because I really did not care about your answer aspect question. Loved the junkyard dog to go ahead rich yet the reason that you'd basically just in wrestling, you just cut a promo basically on like twenty five people. Madel, and I couldn't even follow those by the way, your agents are absolutely game of thrones. With members of the last or family. They tearing Lancaster's that Peter Dingle just character. It's subjective as to which land, stirs AR. But like you literally just caught a I can't even follow because you cut a promo on too many people. Meaning that you have put over so many people you're not currently work with which is again, very good strategy in your all, right? A couple more here. And then I'm gonna bring Mike back on. How should current? And this is where I realize you have to be able to delicate how should current ESPN feel about management's loyalty to them given that you're a very loyal, very well liked employees and were let go pretty much at your first transgression if you wanna call it a transgression. Yeah. I think you'd alterly- rich all actions have consequences. I think ultimately, you know, whenever you work for a company, whether you're working for the ethic or the fan five ninety shot today. Fidel Bob mccowan the whole crew back there Toronto. You know, you're cutting still cutting. The rich. You're at the Bahasa them. Right. It's a subjective business. Even what we do. Right. Like, whatever you're on air. People think you're good. You're not good. It really is subjective. So, you know, if new boss comes and also they like, they don't like there's only so much you can control. So I think you know, in this instance, while I appreciate those who were sympathetic to me and raise the points that you made I it's kind of out of my hands. So I don't think it's something that you can lose sleep over because you say that was the session that was made. And and while I wish it had been different the time. You know, I'm really excited. We're where I am now and the adventures that lay ahead. So I think I know it's it's maybe not the best answer. But I think if you work at ESPN, and you have a good relationship with your bosses, and it is an excellent bar there. And certainly I miss all my friends that I worked with specifically. They were always supportive of me. Then I think you kind of focus on that. And you don't say, hey, what happened Adnan, you just say? Hey, listen, I'm enjoying my job. I'm having a good time here. And I hope that that continues. I don't think you wanna let something. External to you affect your enjoyment of the job that make sense. This does I appreciate that are two more. And then we'll we will move on. Do you believe the SPN leaked the story of your firing? You'd have to ask a smarter guy like yourself or Jamila or Andrew Marsh. And he's the guy who broke the story. Andrew, obviously is too good reporting to Sparta guy to reveal his sources, but I don't I don't I don't have any deal that kind of stuff. I'm not smart enough for that. Okay. Fair last one on that can you at least confirm that you did not leak it. I can for that rich. Yes. I did not leak my own. Termination appreciate that. All right. We will move onto another topic. I appreciate you answering those questions. All right. Mike one of the things that I feel like Franken tangibly over here middle, AVI. Got me waiting in the long. My brother comes in here. Scummy waiting in the lobby. I know. Well, listen, it's too. Unfortunately, like, we could do solar. Podcast with you, Mike. I'm here to be here. I'm happy to be here. Well, this is I mean, you know, you have the beautiful cadence thirteen studios in Manhattan. Hopefully, someone's getting a drink of all good GM, shuffled subscribe, right review. Kek a keto one vodka bar there. So Mike one of the one of the I saw this Peter king's column today as I read, and it was about coaches after the age of sixty seven and what their records were in the NFL, which I believe is Bill bell checks age now at sixty seven, and you know, conventional wisdom would be that. You you have let me let me rephrase that you have to throw out whatever your conventional wisdom of is when it comes to what you perceive to be coaches that pass a certain age because nobody has the resume Abella check prior to that. So my question for you is one realistically, how long do you think? Bill Belichick wants to coach and to could he be one of the guys where there literally is no drop off into his seventies versus his sixties, fifties, etc. I don't think it'd be a drop off because every season for bills a new year and bills not an experienced short cutter. So for example, by that. I mean Bill doesn't say, hey, look, I've played buffalo twenty four times in the last twelve years. I kind of know him, I don't really need to do my homework. Disguise Bill starts he doesn't know buffalo. And so the process that that goes into coaching the mechanics that go into doing his craft is truly what he enjoys. It's a little bit. Like it. I talk about this in the book, here's a shameless plug for you, Richard. I call it the born to run theory. And it's really true. It's what really applies to Bella check. I've seen Springsteen play over one hundred times I've seen and he's playing born to run at least twenty five hundred times in his life. But we're Springsteen in Bella check or Similars is they do the same job constantly with the same passion. So if you take Malcolm, glad wells ten thousand hours, and you combine it with Bruce Springsteen's born to run theory. You have basically somebody who loves the process. That's bella. Check you go see Springsteen. You would have no idea. He's never played one to run before he plays it like, it's the first time you've ever heard it. And that's Bill check when the season starts when that he comes back from Jupiter after the year, and he's taken his week off or the Bahamas wherever he goes. And he starts again, he starts it all over. By the way, I certainly have to be the only sports writer who would take R Kelly tickets over Bruce Springsteen, I kind of feel like that's a good. But you're I mean. I mean, I understand that not the richest right? The rich normally mental age white, man. Just go nuts for spring since you are an anomaly in that respect. Well, yeah. I think he just called me middle age to be fun. Doesn't seem to be quite here's the here is the here is the last one year. And this is actually really interesting to me because I have no idea what would be going on behind the scenes, but you would given that you've been in these rooms, etc. So there's obviously a lot of smokeout that out there that ours owner cardinals are gonna draft collar Murray. First overall, they have a quarterback that they drafted last year in the first round in Josh Rosen at this point, let's presume that the cardinals know what they are doing does the cardinals organization tell anything to Josh Rosen and or his agent meaning are are those guys flying as blind is like we are in terms of not knowing anything or if they have made a decision to draft collar Murray. Do they do they do? I don't know how to say this do they is there a professionalism to let Rosen know that this is coming, and we're ultimately going to try to trade. You can you give me some insight into what? Player and his agent know about this. Why would tell you from what I would do is? There's no sense in telling his agent or him what you're doing up until the time. You actually do it. Now, I think he needs to hear it from you before he hears it from somebody calling it on the draft show, whether it's ABC SPN or NFL network. So you call him before you turn the car in and say, look, here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna make the pick on, you know, here's the reality and lay it out for them. But I don't think if you do it on the Monday before the draft, if you tell one person something you basically told eleven so then it becomes you know, it just gets spread. So you have to be real careful about what you tell players. Look his job. He's under contract. He has a deal. You know that he's got to honor that contract, you expect them be professional if you train them you wanna let him know before somebody else does. Interesting. Art, adnan. Is there anything else that you want to promote is there any other name that you wanna drop before I end this segment? Mike same for you. If if the if you have a long lost friend that you'd like to give a shout out to is that normally would. Yeah. I've been. More than a few here. Sinophile my podcast, which is the number one thing. Rich people tweeted to me after my untimely demise me spent what about the pod over the pot. So Sinophile will be coming back through cadence thirteen hope in the next few weeks opening for mid may. I know you're signed by the way, I first of all congratulations on the GM podcast doing. Well. I think I when I looked today it was like top fifteen or top twenty in itunes, or I should say pockets. Let me tell you what Sinophile is for cadence thirteen. That's when you hire a high profile talent who you hire that talent for a certain show. The talent wants to do the talent wants to do an absurd side project. Not just let you let the talent do the side project because you wanna let the talent be happy with the actual stuff that's gonna bring revenue in so congratulations on on on Sinophile. But let's be honest. You know, cadence thirteen Chris corker inter thinking one thing and they're like, all right? How can we? They said, let's get this pod. Then we'll just make them happy little movie thing, and they'll be. Right. Exactly a kid who gets his cookie Sinophile be returning. Hopefully, simply maybe mid may. I know you're hyped up for Aladdin so guy Ritchie's Aladdin films coming out around big may, we'll we'll Smith playing the genie look forward to that. So that's gonna be fun. And also, I've advocated in the past you, never take advice. Try to Adam mean, who's one of the great stars at ESPN it coming your podcast. Yeah. Max. You have interviewed. I mean for the gymnast she out of the pod. All right. Yeah. I mean is excellent. That was ESPN made a really great decision. Putting a mean with Rebecca Lobo and Carolina on their women's final four cards that you know, I think if you know ESPN would probably say it's best broadcasting team is maybe one of its college football groupings, but I think logo logo Lawson in a mean or as good as any game broadcasting group that ESPN s that's a cruise to cute. I think it was Lee fitting you did that kudos to him. Great team as good on your off there all through those people are sensationally close without him. But Lobo is fantastic. She's funny. So obviously, we love Steve Russian and care is a real study as well. So I wanna mention though as mcdonagh because Jason Bonetti was on the pod previously. And did Sean mcdumber impression his impression SOGA if you haven't heard it go back and listen to to riches palm Bonetti Jason Bonetti. Who is the voice the White Sox? You also does college football college baffles. Great mcdonagh. So we're in like whenever I call the cubs. Even Rick Sutcliffe, and we're at the bar. And I go, hey, give me your mcdonagh. He must have done. Mcdonagh like for a solid hour. He just he wouldn't let comedian will not stop the Joe good to see you to NAN well or things with you. And he just wouldn't stop. And so it's so good rich. I asked him I said, can you call me leave a voicemail of you as mcdonagh? And then I had dinner with Sean McDonough at Basle at the semi finals and finally given Dallas Shana got. Whereas what do you have there? And I'm like, you got to hear this voice Bill, and he listens to it's thirty seconds of this guy impersonate him, and he looks at me, and Sean this could be do I really sound like that much of a douche. Rich. I'll tell you. That's all the top five impressions that he has been. Everyone knows Bonetti does a great. Mcdonagh. Adnan. How soon do you think? Mike Lombardi is on the phone caters thirteen people begging for ryen russillo as co host. I don't think that's no no way. I enjoy it. Look, the the good thing is I can listen learn, you know, it's a good thing and McDonough I mean, you know, Sean, I thought you did a pretty good one there too to be honest with that was pretty good, actually. Yeah. That was that actually at and that's a sneaky good Sean McDermott is that guys what it means coming from both of you, take it. Let me let me give let me give more of the promo here, and then we can move onto whatever. My next segment is Adnan Virk and Mike Lombardi our co hosting a new podcast for cadence thirteen called the GM shuffle. They have already they've already put out a couple up Assode, including I know one with Peter King. So go to apple podcasts or Stitcher. Google play radio dot com. Wherever you can get this stuff. Download that you can see on this podcast. They have a ready. Great chemistry. And I think that these guys are going to be successful until Mike demands. Higher-profile? Joe russillo. Well, must Ritchie had McLean on who. Of course is a legend Canadians. Get my buddy cabbie on cabbie is an enormous store. We go way back to Ryerson. I've known it for twenty plus years. He's getting married. The summer get cabbie on the pot. If you want some Canadian audiences, he'll get you huge ratings. I I sort of like have to sort of do one Canadian every ten weeks, and so just because you know, it's still a US based show. So after think about who my next Canadian will be maybe Brian Burke or Caroline Cameron. I might have to stay in the Rogers family have to think about your big on your sports company. Company at and listen and Mike best of luck. With this. Cadence is great company work for as companyman at up here. But they really are good actually their producers are great. And and they will they treat their talent. Well, so I appreciate that. Thank you. Jemil's podcast as well. You kept making that clear Spotify. Right, but cadences actually producing I said, and I'm always transparent when there's some kind of a connection to a podcast I'm doing where I may work for them. Yes. In this case. Cadence thirteen my podcast company is doing yours. And as I said last time, they're doing journals. I mean, I'm very low profile compared to you too and Jamal, but we all are on the same role in the same boat. We we have access to the numbers already gonna see a spike with sports media. Liz, this is huge. We'll take it rich. Get, you know, get you one or two influence woken for that. Art, Adnan and Mike continued success. Thank you for joining me. Thanks, richard. Thanks, man. Enjoy second Cup. All right. It's a person who does not need any introduction for this podcast. John orient of the sports business daily sports business journal, and the the new newsletter that John and Michael Smith are putting out which is I mean, the it's captured the country's attention, John. It's the hottest newsletter out there that you Michael are doing really really good. Anyway, I think you have to be a sports business daily slash journal subscriber. But if you are, and you're listening to this get that newsletter that John and Michael put out during the week. It's actually really good. They go behind the scenes on some of the reporting, and it's written in sort of a like sort of a feature e style, I really like it. So no bullshit there. John actually the newsletter. It's been great keep it up. And and welcome to the sports media podcast the newsletter. We shouted out out. Sweet Miller Bill Hoff Aymer. Greg Hughes like every PR doubt. They're just about gets a shout out. At one point in the newsletter. And once again, Sean you've continued to set yourself up for future. Future leaks from from those places to get some stories. Congratulations. Whatever I can do whenever I can await. I'm sorry. ESPN doesn't leak. I was told that my bet right? Okay. Moving on ABC, John is based on your reporting. I think based on just what is what is in the wind so to speak. It's very clear that he SPN is going to be bidding big for an NFL package. The most interesting thing to me, though, is what role, and I know you been reporting this, and I know you're going to be reporting this as both of us will be heading forward as we talk now and today is April twenty third. Give me the temperature. Gimme sort of a prediction of of what you think. AB what you think ABC might get when the NFL ultimately divvied up its packages. I don't think ABC has any interest in the Sunday afternoon packages. I think it comes down to sort of really inside baseball broadcasts reason, and that CBS owns so many more local stations CBS and FOX on so many more local stations ABC, they don't they don't own many local stations. So it it doesn't make much financial sense for them to take over sort of Sunday afternoons and those local telecasts. So my view is ABC's really taking a look at the primetime packages. I think that they could you know, they pay double what NBC pays so in. They they could make a run at Sunday night football. I think that's unlikely. But that that they would get considering football's been the top rated primetime show on on television for you know, years running. I can't can't imagine the NFL taking that away from NBC or NBC letting that go, but I can see him looking at Thursday night football. I could even see some sort of high. Good where Monday night football comes over to the broadcast Cannell. So I think that you know, there the primetime Packers that are out there and ESPN slash ABC slash Disney has made it completely clear that they want ABC to be part of Super Bowl rotation and they won't ABC to be part of the alive. Sports arenas. I expect that they're going to be pretty aggressive over one or more of those packages. All right. So let's talk about this. 'cause this is pretty interesting to me. I think the NFL would love to have Monday night football on ABC. You know, it's a network the ratings the viewership is going to be up inevitably. But to me, at least sort of looking at that that would really hurt he SPN in terms of the value that cable channel, and that's far and away their most valuable property. Most watched property how much of a risk. Would it be free SPN to put that, you know, for lack of better phrase in front of the pay wall where you reduce in theory, the value of ESPN or? In twenty nineteen twenty twenty twenty two twenty twenty two that not matter. I think that there is a little bit of a risk. It is the most watched programming that that on ESPN consistently. But if you take a look at at ESPN the the NBA playoffs right up into the finals are on ESPN. The the college football championship is on as on ESPN all of the. College. Football bowl games are on ESPN ESPN still has with without you know, three hour window sixteen Monday mates year. They they still have just a tonnage of of important sports. That would keep people connected to to cable. So I I don't see it as an existential risk. But I do think that there is a little bit of risk there. One thing John that makes total sense to me is for ABC to become part of the Super Bowl rotation. I know that the SPN executives would be, you know, clearly over the moon if that happened the marketing might that he SPN would put towards the Super Bowl if you thought the Tim tebow stuff in two thousand twelve was was over the top. Please wait if if ABC SPN ever gets the Super Bowl, but I actually think it's it would be smart for the NFL in part for that reason. I think the first Super Bowl that ESPN ever got. I think they would blow it out like no other network would blow it out. I. They would pay essentially whatever the NFL wanted. So the only thing you really have to negotiate if you're in the NFL is is FOX and CBS and NBC obviously not wanting that because they wouldn't wanna push their rotation back a year. But like they don't really have any leverage to me John like at the end of the day. All those guys want the Super Bowl, and they're going to basically if the NFL says dance, they're going to dance. So to me again, not knowing what he SPN ABC will bid. I think that's almost a lock. I cannot see that not happening because I think it works. I think it's a it's a win win for both the NFL any SPN ABC. How do you do that? Put it a as what is what is Monday night. Football stays on ESPN, then would ABC in the Super Bowl rotation, then we'll tell you. But it's hardly lock. Right. Well, but here's the thing. John. Think of the year buddies with Burke Magnus, Jimmy petard. I know you guys go out to dinner kroth graduate magnet did not know that. Did not know that John John and all on a steep. I don't think there's a price ABC ESPN would not pay for that Super Bowl. That's why I think it's a luck. I don't I actually don't think I don't think there's a cost they wouldn't pay to be in the rotation. And if that's the case, and we all know the NFL at the end of the day usually makes its decisions on this stuff based on who who provides the best monetary package. I think they're going to get it. You know, what's fascinating about this conversation to me, Richard is I don't know. No idea because I'm not sure it's that fastening. So go ahead. Is anybody still awake out there? If if you go back to a year ago, and we were having this discussion or maybe a little bit more than a year ago. What the win when John skipper was around. I was going to bet that the SPN was gonna walk away from the NFL that they didn't see as as something that they really wanted. They were they were focused on growing sports like like, the NBA or or soccer of some sort one of the soccer leagues. But since Jimmy Petar came on board, the first thing that he wanted to do repair the relationship with the NFL we're seeing that the we're seeing that now with ABC going all for the NFL draft. I mean, I'm really interested to see how they how they do the NFL draft. I think that Kimmy the main thing has been to repair relationship. I think that their their schedule that they have the next Monday night is you know, probably better than they've had. In previous years. It still is the cable schedule. So it doesn't compare Sunday football. But it's it's a pretty pretty decent schedule with you know, good rivalry game. I DAL giants. Like, they have good sort of rivalry games in there. And I just think the difference this year, and we're ESPN is what you just said, they'll pay whatever it takes to get the Super Bowl skipper ESPN. They wouldn't have paid whatever it takes the Super Bowl. They would've had that. They would have that they had the leverage in the NFL show ABC to carry the Super Bowl that at some point. So it really is an interesting switch that's happened with with those two. The the the ESPN sort of POV and approached the NFL has changed dramatically. I think they did that obviously for business reasons. We'll see if they can sort still navigate that line between journalism on the NFL. And and being you know, an NFL rightsholder so far they've done a pretty good job. But we'll see we'll see what happens when that package know when that package comes up it the NFL the NFL bidding is going to be really really interesting to me, Johnny. You did mention the draft. That's my piece this week for the athletes, and I think they're going to do a great job on the draft. The one thing that if you're drafter that this year is better maybe than any other years just the amount of the amount of options that you have if you do the broadcast can be a little more entertainment based a little more feature based. But you have the college game day crew is along with Robin Roberts. So you have a totally different sort of approach and viewpoint to the drafts. A little. More flash more entertainment more, the journeys of the players versus how the players might fit into a certain team. ESPN broadcast is going to be it's traditional broadcast, very Xs and os. And then of course, you have the NFL network, which does a great job on the draft and has their own though. So I think the NFL is going to be site because the NFL is going to get a good view or ship number. I think it'll be down because his draft is not a star lead as last year strapped. But they're going to be psyched with what the coverage is. Because I think ABC is going to provide them with a little glitz and glamour that they have not had before. So so what you want about Petar? He has done the charter that Disney wanted and that is to rehab this relationship with the NFL the NFL saying the right things with ESPN, and I'm gonna still again, we'll John will. We'll we'll have this podcast two years from now I think ESPN ABC's getting Super Bowl. We'll see if I see if my. Prediction turns out to be a lock on. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. That's I mean, let's say I would I would bet that they got a Super Bowl too. I'm just my odds are worse than yours. But I still think having SuperBowl John top line for the NFL schedule. What what stood out to you to me? The Britain is not a big surprise. But the Browns have become a national darling. The NFL needs to bears to do. Well, five now prime time games for them. And you mentioned earlier in this podcast. I thought Monday night football got an excellent schedule. The great thing about all these PO schedule stories like you've done is every network executives going to say, we love our schedule. Great job in the NFL. But but the reality is actually thinking SPN got a very very good schedule. Yeah. And the thing that I'm looking at is. I thought he has got a good schedule. I thought that the Sunday night football schedule was was really good. The thing that really interesting is across flex, you know, where CBS getting traditional and and games, and the NFC is so strong here in the match ups are so strong this year that CBS ended up getting many more of those cross flex games than they had in the past. And that's a guess to me next time, the rights come up is there going to be an AFC packaging NFC package, or is it just going to be like, you know, boxes buying a package antibeach buying a package, and I think what? NFL has answered yet. I don't know if they didn't look into it. But I think that by the way that the cost has been growing over the years, and that's something that could potentially happen. Yeah. I like the cross lex. I know CBS likes across lexin. You know, what maybe that? I think that's the way in the NFL to make more money. If you if you eliminate the AFC an NFC as packages and sort of just do some kind of combo platter. You can be able to charge networks more for both. Because of the fact that I think. Fox would pay through the nose for the NFC. So they weren't just to make sure that they have big markets there. But yeah, he made a even and everybody paid more. You could get more. I think. Yeah. It'll be interesting to you know, they're gonna have Dhabi's calculate lake. Do they think viewers will be impacted by you know, they always sort of if you're in? And if you're in an NFC city, you've always been used to having your game on your FOX affiliate, and if that changes, but again, I think in twenty twenty one where people are getting and watching the NFL in so many different platforms. Not sure that matters anymore that you're you have to change from FOX to CBS, you might not even be watching on conventional television or cable package. Our before we get to the RSN's, which I know you've been working on for a while. I do want to get your top line thoughts on what you made of the CBS WNBA deal to me. I think it's great for the WNBA. I don't know what. CBS is paying them. I'm sure they're paying them some kind of fee. I don't think it's a it's a time by or anything. But I think it's really really good for that league to get another major network involved in their content. I think that league is really obviously a big women's basketball fan. So I I'm sort of bias here. But I like any league John that has the best players in its sport. Like, it's the top league in the world. And the WNBA is the is the best in its sport in the top league in the world. And that's always that's always a property. I would invest in for the long term. I'm sure it's not a big dollar play for CBS. I think it's a win win for everybody. Yeah. I I hate to calling things win win. But I think that makes that might be the case here on the I I've gains primarily came from NPA TV's ESPN will still have its it's games. And they'll CBS sports network will have its games. I'm sure that CBS sport. I don't know the specifics of the deal, but I'm sure that there's a at least a small that CPS is bang for the NBA they're establishing relationship with the new network that they had that they really haven't had relationship with in many years. So that that works out. And they're really trying to get more live sports on their on their and whatever it takes to bring it over. And they know they're not going to get like an NFL package or an NBA package on CBS sports network at least not right now. But this is a package of you know, the TV has always talk about you know, the the bar test. If you're walking by a bar, and you look up, you know, have studio show on or do you have live sports and people gravitate to that live sports? And I think that's that's the way the TVS sports network is looking at this. You're gonna have live games with one brands and. Alana della gun from from the Washington mystics down here. I mean, they're they're good games high-quality games. And I think that they think that you know, your hips not going to go through the roof. But I think that they can get a good core. A stable group of sport. Yes. Forty live the NBA games. It's a multi year deal. So that's always actually good for the league if they could sort of extend beyond and yeah, we'll see again. I'm I'm with you a CBS sports network is not rated. So we couldn't even tell you what the viewership would be for any CBS sports network property, but it's not gonna be massive. But again to to have a relationship now with CBS sports. I think is good for for both parties. And so that's sort of one to watch. But I the WNBA has a lot of really, really great athletes. So I'm I'm glad to see that they're getting a little bit more a little bit more of exposure. And push our John the ARA, San the are San story is going to change. We're taping this on April twenty third and from your reporting, whatever you discuss now could honestly be different by the time. People. Start listening to this podcast Wednesday Thursday, Friday, excetera, the last thing that was reported might have been your reporting was Sinclair has placed the biggest of the bids for the you know, the FOX our sense said it'd be more than ten billion. They they are considered the front runner, obviously, given their sort of might and weight where where does this stand now? And if you had to handicap it how far ahead is Sinclair at the moment. Richard what I'm going to? And this is all done 'cause I I've been dining on this story for for for quite a while where the where the tail end now it looks like. Process and the next twenty four hours from one post is really going to tell us whether or not in clear gets clear putting the biggest bid or whether there's goes. You know, liberty in clearances. Okay. You know, you're it's a two horse race. Now. You know, let's let's see what what what you can do to sort of your your offers. I think that the problem within clear is that eighteen on media my summer, and they they really rankled a lot of people in federal Washington. Some of the regulators and in that poison the well for them to have such big such a big purchase. Now. Go through federal regulators federal regular. What's? And if that's the case then liberty still sitting there in the offing liberty did not have as a bit. But they have a pretty significant bid, and they have people like John Malone, and Greg Masai, and and MLB is is partnered with them. And so it's you know, where the tail end if I bet right now, that's Claire gets it on. That's that's. Anything can happen. And thing about John Malone is he knows how to close these types of kills. You know, we'll we'll see how that works out. We we don't know yet. And it it's a fun story to be reporting on John confirmed. This for me, I think this is the case when it comes to Sinclair how they sort of put their sports programming. I know they have the tennis channel they think they have ring of honor believe they were going to do. They're going to be part of whatever the cubs sports network is they they are generally speaking, my correct about this sort of their sports presentation is going to be different than their news presentation. I I think, you know, very, clearly I think they have a certain POV when it comes to news. But at least from what I've seen, and again is sort of my I don't have the clear here. So my minimal sort of look is that the sports division is is clear from or very different than the news division or you. Tell me basically is what I'm asking. Yeah. The need to a very conservative bent to it was of they've on tennis channel for about three years now. And I don't think anybody can see any any into politics coming in their their their sports. Yeah. I think that one of the things about Sinclair, though, is their local stations that they own you know, that, you know, they're now going to be able to go to distributors like Comcast. And charter and all the all these other cable and satellite operators and say, okay. We have our local station we have tennis channel. And now we have an artist end to go with it. And all of a sudden like the negotiations to try to to to Jim all of those onto the cable systems. It's going to be interesting to see they have a lot of leverage going up against the going up against distributor a lot more leverage. And I would say somebody liberty has. The last one I wanna hit. And again, if there's anything else you wanna hit before we get out of here. Please let me know. And that was this threat this Twitter threat. I saw from Abigail Disney who I believe she the daughter or the granddaughter of ROY Disney, the founder of Disney, and she really I think smartly aggressively poignantly. Went off on Bob ideas. Twenty-eight teen compensation sixty five million or so in relation to sort of the rank and file employees at Disney, and I tweeted out there. This is sort of my thought that. You know, if you're if you're on ESPN or who's been laid off at a last five years and UCI compensation don't wants doubting Eiger success. Obviously, you know, one of the one of the one of the claim CEO's of our time. And he certainly put Disney agree position. No one's arguing that. But it'd be very hard for me. If I was one of these people who was laid off two years ago to look at Bob is compensation and to sort of try to rectify like, hey, why why did he SPN let me go with my ninety thousand or one hundred twenty thousand dollars or forty thousand dollar salary, and I just wonder again from your world, and you cover sort of the business more than me if you one saw this Abigail, Disney thread and two if you correlate it all to. Yes. Bien? Yeah. Disney thread, I found it to be interesting. The thing about executive competent comes Asians. And you know, I it it was not your salary. It's going to like I'm going to defend sixty five million, which I'm not defending. But it's a that becomes station is if not standard in the media business it happens. It happens a lot. I think, you know, David as at discovery at com station, I think exceeded one hundred million last year. Getting really the ESPN. I think that you can do that with, you know, Stephen a Smith New contract like while p makes you know, whatever he's gonna make you know, and they laid off people two years ago. It's a big issue. I think executive compensation it's it's something that a lot of companies and boards of struggle with. But it's not unique to Disney it's not unique to to the media business. But, but it is something that when when you read Disney that Disney thread, it it it is something that's just I opening and I think he makes a lot of good points. That are very, you know, populous points that that that I mean take a look at the re tweets on that that really seeing that resonate with a lot of people. Yeah. I mean, listen, it's it's an I I understand that CEO's a sort of at the end of the day, you're worth with somebody pays you get that. But there's. A lot of in that in those positions your shaping what your salary is. And it's very hard to swallow to see the numbers that Bob idir is pulling down when again there are layoffs throughout his company. It's just that is a it feels it doesn't feel it. Just it's incredibly, greedy, in my opinion. I think the point the point that Disney was making was when was that. You know, you go to the lowest level employees, and they're making, you know, just a hair above minimum wage, you know, right there. Could that could really use that that kick? And here's the thing. Like, and this is, you know, I'm sure somebody Disney would say this is fair. But like, I expect better from Bob Igor Disney. If you're gonna walk the walk and preach that your company sort of stands for certain values, which Disney always has then I feel like you see you gotta walk down including the salary. There are companies that don't sort of proclaim the same kind of things that Disney does just absolute capitalists. They they're they're they don't apologize for their for their greed, and that that I agree with it. But at least they're sort of transparent, and honest, I agree sort of where it makes on fares is you can really go down the list of media CEO's, I meant cubes. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. No. I agree. Listen trust me. I worked for many years for Time Warner time Inc. And I saw the guys at the top of my company. I mean, they were basically stealing money. I'm not gonna lie John. It was pretty gross. You know, we'd have layoffs all the time at time Inc. And these guys were just pulling home, not the not I gr- money, but but still millions of dollars and that's pretty hard swallow. I'm I'm of the belief that a company's CEO should be whatever six seven times more than the lowest paid. So whatever it should be a number that's more realistic than than what the what the numbers anyway to longer discussion. And you know, I'm sure I've lost. I'm sure I've lost some people in the Disney. From listening to this podcast somehow, I'll get through the day, John. Is there anything else that you wanna talk about before we get you before we get you out of here? I'm good. I'm good today. Any other podcast appearances that I should know about. I have not been contacted by Jimmy traina. And and I didn't say something what about Glaspie Gle or Bryan Curtis or anyone else who has. I just want everybody. Now, I'm open for business on America's podcast. You know and anybody who wants to call them come on. All right. Your your Meyer your shameless promotion there to put yourself. John John O rand is the media reporter for the sports business daily and the sports business journal checkout, his work. He will be all over this RSN store, by the way. John let me let me just sort of before we get outta here. Mike McCarthy of the sporting news reported that Payton. I, you know. My sense is because McCarthy I feel like has been writing about this forever. Probably got it of that. Peyton Manning will not be doing football. Do you have any have you heard that any confirmation but McCarthy put that out there, which means then we are not too far away? I think from ESPN making a decision on whatever that booth is going to be. Head which he broke it on Monday in it checks completely. Right. Might only put with with Mike report is that I don't PIN did approach manning wanted to see meaningless going to do it. I think anybody that close to paint manning knew that he was not gonna take it. I mean. Yeah. Describe this. As long shot is is to give it to many too good of odds. This was this was something that was written about a quite a bit. And it was never close to possibly happening. So so the fact that he's not going to do. It is hardly a surprise to me. But I did find it interesting. That's that ESPN did go and to me, this is what we talked about earlier with Petar trying to improve relations with the NFL. They wanna get good and they're going to pay for good high-quality talent to do Monday night football. And they wanted to send a message. Yeah. Allow got so public, but it was never very. Yeah. Very smart too. Very smart to approach manning. Even if has no and quite frankly, very smart whoever leaked at to leak dad because it makes the SPN come off that they're swinging for the fences. But yeah, like you feel like Peyton Manning was going to take a broadcasting job one. That would have happened in two. I think he would have taken a non ESPN job because I think he could have had network job, which I think ultimately. Might have been more appealing for him. But again, one to watch to see if it's just a torn McFarland or if they if they add a third, I do think territory McFarland they're coming back that would just be my guest. And then we'll see we'll see if they add third or if they just go with with those two. All right. John Lewis thing with the thing with Romo ruined it for everybody because you know, correct in the past Peyton would have come in the studio show for your two. And then maybe the second or third team on FOX or CBS and sorta worked his way up to the to the top spot. But now, it's sort of you know, let's get him. And let's get him in that top spot, and there's no top spot to be filled at CBS, FOX or NBC. So so it would have had been ESPN as he was going to accept that smaller role, which I think a lot of people don't want to do. They went happened with a with Romo. Yeah. And if you're if you're whether you're Peyton Manning or Whitten or whoever else now, you're inevitably going to be compared to Romo, and you just have. Sort of accept that. And have. Be able to work around not sort of getting obsessed with media coverage reading Twitter and stuff because you know, you're going to be compared to arguably the not arguably my opinion, he's already established himself as the best NFL NFL analyst of all time on television. So that's Peyton Manning. You probably don't need that headache, you already, you know, you're Peyton Manning. You've got money you can sort of do whatever you want. I don't know if you need to come in and sort of deal with those comparisons unless you really really want to be a broadcaster. Anyway. So we we just gave Mike McCarthy initial shout out there for three minutes. John have an excellent day. We will all be watching your Twitter feed to see if if you're if you're right there with the arson breaking news story. I'm I'm rooting for you. I hope that doesn't get dropped in someone else's lap. Banking on their own whole hog. Yes. Unlike me, John I'll just be watching the Maple Leafs in the raptors with no interest in the arson story are John everyone. All right. Thanks, john. Thanks, man. All right back in the studio. Real quick. My thanks to Michael bardy. Adnan Virk and John ran for their thoughts. If you like this kind of content head to the sports media with Richard I page, please leave us a review and a rating, and that is how the that's how the podcast sticks around the guest before this group, Djamil hill, and Rick Reilly, I think you will find that episode really really interesting Ron MacLean of hockey night in Canada, Jason Bonetti of white socks in ESPN on his resume before that Renee young Paul Heyman on life in the WWE and Paul Heyman explaining how one can pull off effective communication, and if you've ever watched professional wrestling, very few people that are communicators than Paul him. And then just go down the list, if you're interested from Daniel, Jeremiah, Michael k to sort of again, you can if you're interested in this kind of stuff just go through that whole list. And I think you'll enjoy a lot of the conversations. All right. Thank you again as always attorney, smell go. Thanks to the caves thirteen folks. This is Richard actual Siga on the sports media podcast.

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When Boomer Speaks, Mike Lombardi Sure Listens

Boomer & Gio

17:09 min | 5 months ago

When Boomer Speaks, Mike Lombardi Sure Listens

"Small businesses are grappling with the impact of these uncertain times and looking for resources. That's why Del Technologies assembled an all-star lineup of podcasters to create the first ever virtual conference to share advice and inspiration for small businesses Dell. Technologies is here from keeping you connected while working remotely with windows. Ten and Microsoft teams to providing relevant content for businesses search Dell Technologies. Small Business POD FRONTS ON RADIO DOT COM spotify or apple podcasts. Starting may first we have Jerry RECCO with us now? Good Morning Jerry guys. Good morning how are you? We got a rod and J. Lo on the back pages of the papers. You guys have discussed that at length also from baseball you got Derek. Jeter foregoing is five million dollars salary due to this corona virus pandemic Anthony Fouled. She continues to talk He was on the. Yes network with Jack Curry couple of things from here. He says Going forward in terms of baseball and in sports coming back. We really have to adjust our thinking. There's going to be a new normal for a while and it's not going to be just a few months. It likely will cycle around even into next fall and winter. Hopefully will go way down. I don't know if he means like twenty twenty one or if he means several months from now not really sure Here's a couple of plans to play ball in stadiums. One you've heard of ones little different the first one. You could either have a situation where you get the group of play as you put them in a few cities you make. Sure they're infected. You test them so that they don't infect each other and you have base school. They know as much as it's tough to say in a spectator less environment that we've heard here comes plan number to another version of that is to limit the amount of people in a stadium and make sure you see them in a way where they are really quite separated and maybe even wearing the facial covers a mask. Now that's a new one. I had not heard him say that. So That's interesting though he would. If you continue to listen to the interview would go on to say. That's probably not likely not anytime soon. But again he continues to say that we can probably do something without fans in the stands but still there is no plan. A Kirk herbstreit. You remember made those comments that were whether they were taken out of context or whatever In the moments that he would be surprised if they played football in the fall. I think he's backed backed up on those a little bit But he did a conference call yesterday and said that the powers that be in college. Football are going through numerous contingency plans to make sure they can play their season. The most extreme of those contingencies would be playing the spring. If that happened the season would begin around February or so and then the college football playoffs would be in June now. That would be different. Wow so that means the college football players would be June after the NFL draft and all these players that are hoping to be high picks in the NFL draft next year would have to play right before the NFL draft. Can you see Trevor Lawrence leading the Clemson Tigers in spring football as he's getting ready to get drafted number one overall next year or now well maybe you move the draft if you had a football season in the spring? Maybe the draft gets moved. You know I just don't see those kids playing in the spring I well I do seek the kids. See kids playing again. It's a contingency plan. It right something that the most extreme one extreme of course we understand that and as other leagues have gone through their extreme contingencies as well. I just wonder if that were the case. How players that would be at the top of the draft boards much like we're getting ready to go into the draft. This Thursday would react the playing in the spring so close to the NFL draft. Yep Very for sure but again that They called it. A last ditch contingency plans so very far fetched but who knows. Jaguars defensive tweeting to ownership. Get bleep done in terms of trading him. He then went back and forth with Tony Kahn. The son of owner shod con telling him to stop hiding and calling him a clown and then. That's the guy you want on your team so once I was like oh man everybody should be jumping and bring this guy in then. That owner that Tony Kahn. He responded back easily. Ignored my text messages or something. I don't know what he said. I thought he stopped following on. Followed me you would have seen something. If you didn't follow me for the tenth time now. Childish is this back and forth and it was and then the Jaguars did release wide receiver. Marquees Lisa keys out there. We got the draft Thursday night reports. Say a few issues with the mock draft And then everything went smoothly on Monday. So they are ready. Are you ready to hear from Mike? Lombardi who fired back at boomer. I bombers comments about the way he handled to of by law injury. Sure all right so I got a whole bunch. I'll give you a few here. Give you some more next hour. Maybe some more after that so here was what they did boomer. And I know I believe you've heard this so They played your clips about Mike. Lombardi saying who is he to break the news about the injuries going into the draft or at least releasing the injury news Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. Here was at non Var. What's his name IRC MIRC avenue? Yes so he's the Co host of the podcast he used to be on. Espn he's the cause of the PODCAST. Es Lombardi for his initial reaction after listening to the clip of boomer killing him look boomer could say he wants. I could give right okay. So that's why then you sure there wasn't you jerry. Here's Lombardi anybody that wants to call me angry from now on. Just call me. I'm Lombardi okay. Here comes number two. Is You take shots back at boomer. I know he's on TV. And you know all that crap. And he's got his own show. You know that's great. You know like at some point you owe it to the people that are listening to your show to be informed loser. Then he says as he defends himself he did nothing wrong. What I'm saying has nothing to do with you. Know trying to discredit a kid. How discrediting the kid? The kid got hurt. Everybody in the National Football League knows about it. Boomer watched football on Saturday afternoons. He would know the kid got her to like it's documented knowledge right. It's not documented knowledge. Not The not the knowledge that you dropped on everybody that he broke two wrists. This documented knowledge on a broken left index finger. There's a sprained right knee. There's left high ankle sprain. There's a right high ankle sprain and of course there's the dissipated hip that everybody's talking about it. Yes everybody's worried and concerned about his injury history then all of a sudden. Mike decided to drop that. He broke his wrist twice. Nobody had ever heard where that so number. One I think we're ever he got that from. He violated confidentiality laws. Somebody told him something that they shouldn't have told him or it was inaccurate and that he didn't break his wrist and then the second thing that he did is he basically said that. A number of teams have failed him on his physical. Well then to me. That's also a violation of confidentiality. And you feel like it's important for him to tell everybody these things about these young men but I find it to be kind of insulting that somebody is going out there behind the back of a player and trying to find out more about how many times he's been injured to tell people us his listeners and anybody else who really gives a crap that that he's been hurt more than he supposedly was so I just think he can have whatever opinion he about a player. He can call a player brittle if he wants. Which in this case he has done with two but to start listening other injuries that we do not know about that means. He either has information that he shouldn't have and it was given to him by somebody or it's not factual so that's fake news. Said so I just wonder which which which which it is and that's one of the reasons I took umbrage with it. I've never said anything. Negative about him at all in regards to any of his three draft evaluations of players. But in this case the way he went about it and the way that it was dropped to me seemed to be completely unprofessional. And then obviously when you start cussing and screaming and yelling and going crazy OUGHTA podcast. You obviously know that there's some truth of the matter there and he knows it to that. That's the thing he does it. Well here's mine. He lost his mind on this thing going on the injuries. Like at some point if you're going to break down the draft boomer disgust the injuries of to a because that's the issue that's the issue. I will discuss the injuries that I know of. I will not on any issues that I or injuries that I don't know of and I'm not going to call people and try to find out if there were other injuries because you know that's not information that I should be privy to. That should be confidential information. There are hippo laws in this country. That either he is violated or he is factually reporting. So I I don't know what it is. You can tell me whatever you want and I still also hold back to my initial opinion on this. I think he's grossly miss reporting or over reporting on this young man for whatever reason and I'm not sure why I don't know why and I'm not going to get into a conspiracy theory that he's trying to get him to fall to the Patriots. So Bill Bella check and grabbed him because he worked up there for a couple years of Bill Belichick. I don't I don't think that's the case. And I guess he also wants to talk to Al Davis. I guess for some reason but I don't think he should realize that. Al Davis is dead and that that was one of the biggest misconceptions. Because you went into that. Talk to. This guy talked to that. The Guy I talked to. Al Davis has been dead for a number of years but who is Mike Lombardi to put this information out there? Him In that ad on Virk took it as you were saying. Who's Mike Lombardi to talk about the NFL period like you were discrediting everything he's ever done in the NFL or whatever you weren't doing that you didn't say who is Michael Lombardi to talk about the NFL draft? That's not what you said you said. Who is Mike? Lombardi to put out this injury information that no one else has and also be wrong about some of it so he just got so irrationally angry during this thing and he also did one of these things that I love. I don't care what boomer says doesn't mean a thing to me what he says but boy am. I really pissed off and who to emphasise guy and doesn't mean a thing that I don't care what he says but boy Palmer bleeping a science in on W. bleeping. Fa Dad up this and that I mean the Carribean not care because it sounds like you care that he plays the next one said like he's some pope a high mountain because he works with W. F. A. N. Like I get it like I care what he thinks a me. I don't give a crap. Well first of all he's got the wrong guy to be a little bit more accurate with your assessments. But yeah and I do have a problem with his misreporting on tour. You WanNa talk about like. I told you the five injuries that we know about fine. Now you're gonNA report on something we don't know about. How did you get that information? Why should you be privy about that information? And is that information factual W bleep in one last one of him yelling at you. You don't judge me. I don't judge him. I don't go on TV when he says something absolutely stupid on Sunday morning that I call somebody. That's on the set with them and say what are you talking about? I don't do that. He has on that and all and by the way. I know who he does call. You told me this Love how I don't judge this guy two seconds before that he goes. He's sitting on some thrown bleep in King. W bleep. Nfl Yet. But I don't judge them and I'm not angry at all. I mean unhinged. Jeez he came on hinge. Because he knows I'm right. Yeah he's crazy. Well he's I know that when someone's saying all those things and going nuts like you wanna get angry but at the same time you just step back about. This guy is just burning himself to the ground sounding like this like why. Maybe he's having a rough time in isolation maybe he's not getting along with his family or something. I don't know but that is irrational response to what you had to say. And like I said the other amazing thing about all of this in regards to to just about whatever Mike saying about him. It's about what a what a lot of people are saying about them and they are worried about his injuries. I get all that but I also look at it from the other side. This sum bitch is as bad as tough as they come. I mean he may have some injuries but he had some surgeries and came back after one of those surgeries he back and Seattle Shoe and threw for over one hundred and eighteen yards and four touchdowns in a game. I mean that tells me that you know the kid loves to play football. And that's all he really cares about and then when do listen to nick? Sabin who Mike Lombardi is friends with nick? Sabin has said. This guy has transformed their their Their program down there at Alabama that. He's leaving a legacy behind that very few of been able to attain. This is one of the Great College quarterbacks of of of all time when you look at his numbers and you look at his performance and then when you watch him throw the football you realize that it is different that he is a special special player. There is no question about that now. Are there injury concerns? I would say yes as long as they're accurate and were reporting what we know as opposed to. Maybe something that we shouldn't know and we shouldn't discuss. That may not be accurate. And that's where my issues come in with this whole thing right I mean. That's the the biggest misconception here. They think Lombardi had was. You aren't ignoring the injuries that he had. That's not what you're doing. The issue that you had was that he was putting out stuff like he had failed a couple of team physicals and there was some other injury that no one had ever heard about that. I guess he even got that wrong. That he put that out there and he's Lombardi's is assuming that you had never watch any college football and didn't know the Tua got hurt and had no idea that he was dealing with these. We all knew that so like he's losing his mind over stuff. That doesn't make any sense that you didn't say so obvious that hit a nerve. And he's very very sensitive about those sounds sounds Eddie Attic. Actually and you know but but that's but that's that's typical can tell you. Is that every year around this time. We talk about the draft. We talk about players. People get very heated very intense about players. You know my thing is. I'm just trying to protect the kid and hopefully trying to keep things as accurate as possible. Now I don't think any of our opinions have anything to do with the way that guy's GonNa end up doing their draft so I could sit here and talk all day about why the giants need to tackle. I don't think that that is influencing Dave gettleman one ounce. That's just my opinion what I think he should do. If he's a good general manager he should not be listened to the people like me and Mike Lombardi and everybody else in our points of view. Because if he does he's GONNA end up sitting with us on what's that I said the sitting with us on a throne on W. F. Ing right right right so the point being no matter what our opinions are. I can guarantee you. They have very little if any impact on the way. These general managers are going to end up doing their draft. So it's just it's it's fun to talk about for us but the fact that he became as unhinged as he did. Maybe that's why he's not working team anymore. I don't know there's a lot more of that which we'll get to next hour running out of time here we've got Yet the niners John Lynch did confirm that he will listen to offers for both of his first round picks coming up number thirteen and thirty one. I believe they are. You had Tom Brady hanging out in a park in Tampa and had to be removed politely. So that didn't go so well for him Ufc champion Nunez tell CBS. She will not participate and you have to fifty on May ninth. Wants depend to pass before she gets back in the ring and Tim. Finchem FORMER PGA commissioner elected to the World Golf Hall of fame a lot more clips coming up next our guys all right. Thanks Jerry the socially distanced. Nfl draft is finally here and you can follow all the action at Bet. Online dot net wondering who will be the first second and third draft pick. Do you know more offensive or defensive. Players will be taken in the first round. Have Hunt on. 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Best of Straight Outta Vegas with RJ Bell: 06/29/2020

Straight Outta Vegas with RJ Bell

23:42 min | 3 months ago

Best of Straight Outta Vegas with RJ Bell: 06/29/2020

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England patriots a one year deal for a little over one million dollars base salary with incentives could push him over seven million dollars for the season. I'm not sure if you've heard this, but it's incentive laden. Yes, I mean that's important. Is that was? I mean. They got that word out there. Let's say that wow, wow, ballot, check ballot. Check all right. We're GONNA. Go through this systematically and be very specific. And clear on our topics, you know sometimes. We like to have a conversation. Hey, conversations meander sometimes. We're keeping this on the key points, and this is the Vegas show really. and. How Has Vegas reacted so Steve, physique let's look at the Patriots Patriots. Over underwent total for the year so sixteen games. How many of those games will they win? Eight point seven five. Was the total before yesterday, so if they would've won nine games. Oh, they exceeded expectations. The pats a little bit eight games. They fell short. With Cam. What's happened Scott up by half a game RJ nine and a quarter Games is the Patriots Season Win number now? Okay, so that means if you look and maybe pull the sheet up naming the teams that they passed the you know the teams that were flat nine, namely those teams and you got that in front of you is and then the teams that were right above it because what I'm interested in is who is a race. Imagine speed Ray. Sir I. Don't know if you're older, you might have watched. That is if racer acts. He was my guy if Acts, is on the outside he's who's it. What teams have the PATS passed? And then what teams are they still chasing right ahead of them all right, so they just passed Philadelphia Okay They were expected the past to win games in Philly. Now expected to win more pass, Seattle who? MINNESOTA. And Green Bay. They just whizzed by by Green Bay, but okay, and then WHO's right? Are they on the heels of Pittsburgh. Tampa Dallas okay so so right now, still Tom Brady. And the bucks are supposed to win slightly more than the Patriots. Yes, okay. That feels like I'm rj both straight out of Vegas a modest reaction. And by the way, Fazekas. There's a word is called comeuppance. Fezzet how to take on cameras week that I mean Jones, you should have heard them trying to defend it. In pre show I mean I said save it for save for. He's going to answer for it. I'm you'll believe where he had cam ranked, and he was ridicule and. A professional. NFL quarterback Chris I mean it was it got personal? It felt like to me. We'll see if he stands tall. It feels like the market didn't move near as much as you would expect, so maybe let's look a super bowl odds. What were the odds are the odds. The odds were twenty five to one now. They're nineteen to one all right so still. If you look at Super Bowl odds, the pats have been like five to one six to One Or better pretty much every year, though as ten years and now with Cam there about twenty two one. Here's the question. WHO's a better quarterback today? Tom Brady Cam. Newton eyestone is if you had. If you had to assess that. What would you say? I would say Tom Brady but. Lot. All Right? I disagree with you guys so. Let's get sick. You know this is music. We haven't played for a while, but it's it's exactly correct. It's called the crossfire music. And this is when two people are battling in this Corner Steve. And I'm Jay. Where do you have cam? Newton ranked among all quarterbacks walking the Earth Worst Cam Newton Twenty five twenty five. So you're saying literally literally, all the hub of a loop is about a quarterback. WHO's twenty four? Twenty four is Philip Rivers, and who's twenty-six. darnold. Oh my God! You're saying he's as bad as Sam Darnold. Make. Your case. Aren't look at Cam Newton after his MVP year, his numbers fell. Way Off. If we just look at Cuba's not an MVP level, okay, we got the go-ahead right so the year after his Qbr is only twenty five so well below, so we're going back to two thousand sixteen. Yes, so when you say twenty five just to be clear twenty fifth in the NFL. Not twenty-five on Cuba right so you realize you Qbr, and you say twenty five ranked twenty fifth. Thank you go ahead. Yeah, so the next two years qbr slightly below average at nineteen, so we gonna read the Qbr but. My point is that all there is because let's save some time. Yes, that's that's your argument. Three years of so average perform so literally in sixteen so MVP was two thousand fifteen. Where we only had the eleventh past Qbr, so you believe these MVP wasn't warranted. I believe it wasn't statistically warrant well. No, but you're saying, but you're saying. Stats are all the matter winning, because you're saying nothing, but stats and I'm saying he won the MVP two thousand fifteen. He had the eleventh best Qbr so he must not have deserved it. He went fifteen one. Okay, so there's other factors than stats. So why aren't those other factors coming up in the years of followed? Well because they don't fit your argument, perhaps his obviously, his the Carolinas win-loss. Oh, so the only thing was the win loss, but what about the year that they went? Eleven five the year. They made the playoffs in seventeen I, think. I don't have that number, but you know they made the play, but apparently wins and losses were part of your analysis right? Sure, but you don't know if they made the playoffs that year. Okay so I'm looking at right now on the screen. And two thousand seventeen. He was nineteen. In two thousand eighteen, he was nineteenth. So we're looking. QBR. Why wouldn't he be nineteenth? Set at twenty and. Here's a crusher by the way giants. This is going to be like. Scrape him up. Anybody that follows full when I know you do, but you can be disingenuous. Dave. Let's be honest. I mean especially. There's money involved. Cam Newton had an amazing first half a two thousand eighteen. And you might say RJ. What would what first half? Why's that matter so much? He was hurt after eight games. And quite frankly was very gutsy to keep playing Jonas. I'm sure you remember because you follow this stuff so closely. It was like the Fourteenth Game I. Think it was a Thursday night or Monday I see. He was shot putting the. He couldn't hardly get the ball out there number. Yeah, that was the norv Turner Year from not mistaken and eighteen. Really clicked and he played well and he there was a lot of people that had him early in the season in the MVP conversation in twenty eight Games et Bill Barnwell from ESPN, said at the game mark before he got her Yup. Cam would have been the fourth. On his MVP voting. Now. You might say RJ explain it. Nineteen touchdowns fifteen, passing four running. Four interceptions no fumbles so nineteen scores four turnovers. Heart twenty-five okay now. When's the last time we've seen Cam Newton healthy on the field. See Fabric that first half of two thousand eighteen, so the last time Cam Newton played football healthy, he was about the fourth best plan. The NFL based on Bill Borrow. I think nineteen touchdowns. Four interceptions feels about right. Does that sound right to you. Yes, and what you're thinking is in the two year since. He's been injured. He's shown his guts by playing injured. But somehow some way, and he's only thirty one so an age where h shouldn't be an issue. He's dropped from being the fourth best player in the League to the twenty fifth best quarterback. How. He's never been injury prone throughout his career. Well, let's be specific here. Seven seasons before two thousand eighteen. He missed three games. No I think it's the opposite of injury prone. Yes, but in recent years to shoulder injuries, the foot injury and I gotTA wonder to to shoulder injuries yet. Rotate read a rotating. That had operated on two thousand seventeen had a second operation on his shoulder injury, two thousand eighteen. Okay, but was it the same shoulder. Yes, so it was the same injury, he was just getting a cleanup or something. I mean he didn't have another incident. Where he left the field holding his shoulder, he was going to be out the whole year, so he did that like people get their knee scoped on time. That kind of thing so look at you. Just adding false information continue, so here's the question. I agree with you that Cam. If healthy. Is Very different than not healthy, and because of the fact, factor has been two seasons because you could say hey, he's only really had one major injury. Maybe you can say to because he was hurt eighteen and nine years. That means you're not injury prone. But to in two years means you are. We usually long sample size. But when you're older, we start to think maybe that's what's happening because he's taken Outta here hits. Yes, exactly and is now going to be more injury prone because of all the miles on the tires with what's happened I. Agree it's a valid concern, so the question becomes. If Cam ends up being Houthi. And we have you on record what you've said here because you don't want to back out. Where do you have cam ranked? Assuming he was healthy for this whole year. I said in the metal. Fifteen okay defend that. After the points that you're making I don't think it's defensible. I think you've got to put can't can't much more close to top ten. Yes. Hi My work here is done, Jonas. I mean it was indefensible and dust. The twenty five is indefensible, because if you way out wealth. He's hurt if he's not her. This is a major addition for the pats. Be Sure to catch live editions of straight Outta Vegas Weekdays at six. PM Eastern Three PM Pacific on Fox sports, radio, and the iheartradio APP. Let's talk about the bat ballot check made. Now Mike Lombardi friend of the show. Worked with ballot check many many years both in new, England and Cleveland. When he was asked about months ago. What would happen with the quarterback competition? He said I can tell you three things one. It will be economical. They never overpay for anything. because. This is the opposite of Dallas. My optimism for Dallas in the years to come. The cowboys is low because they've overpaid for almost every player they've signed. I'm not talking about back even, but it looks like they might have to overpay him. This. This is a salary cap league. Every dollar. You save a doll you can spend on somebody else and heavy over span is not a dollar. You can spend on somebody else. The Patriots effectively have won because they've gotten people cheaper then their vow their true value. That's what this is. Say Real Estate by House for one hundred thousand. It's worth one hundred twenty. You've done good. Buy a house. For one hundred thousand. It's worth eighty. You've done bad. Ballot check always almost always gets the value. and to me, that's the point here. Is Cam though it's incentive laden. is a million dollars. It's like literally less than Andy Dalton. We're talking about the two million dollars. I mean this is James Winston. You could say just as good of a pickup. For the saints, except as a backup James Winstons worth is relatively modest. Odds are he won't play much. But Cam is favored right now to be the starting quarterback. In two or week one? Sixty six percents. Chance based on the batting odds that Cam starts week one. To twenty. Yes, plus one eighty. No! Sixty six percent. Now as. You agree with me that as the season progresses. If I said. What would you make the odds? It's going to be starting week six. Would they be higher than that hire more like seventy five percent, plus so the theory is cam is the very likely going to play a majority of the Games this season if he doesn't get hurt for the Patriots, that's the value for the million dollars is through the roof. What are the risks well injuries as in. Maybe he is beaten. Maybe is injury prone at this point number two. Maybe Locker Room questions right it could be. He's not going to be a great teammate. But he's got a lottery ticket. If you walk by, Roulette table the odds to hit a random now or just any number as on rule at thirty, seven to one thirty seven to one. With one zero two zero. Okay okay. Two zero six numbers. Yeah, thirty six numbers plus two zero say Oh, you're saying thirty seven to one. Yes, or four, one, thousand, eight, four one all right. I'm not sure about that. I'm a rule that guy, but okay is, if I said Hey I'll give you forty per forty, two one, which means better odds. Unless you thought the wheels somehow was crooked. I bet it even though is related. Good Bet. No, it is a forty two one it is. Is Cam Newton a good signing it is it a million dollars and in sudden incentive laden. Checks whole way. Mike lombardi point to said they'll be an open competition. So that means they're gonNA compete. WHOEVER'S BASKETBALL STAR? It won't be like something's given away. Well if you got one quarterback with a lot of questions stood him. WOULD YOU WANNA? Do you WanNa? Diversify you, WanNa have a backup plan if you have a car. That is the newest Tass. Maybe you don't need a second car. Maybe you don't need a new WBUR account. But if you got a car that goes, you know literally. The car barely starts. You better have someone number. They can ride you there if you need it so to me. When they had brady, it was a situation where they didn't spend a you know they did keep drafting quarterbacks even then, but it was less important because Brady played most the games, and he was obviously great. Right sure the question becomes. When you have stood, who's an unproven second year quarterback? Would you want you want another lottery ticket so if One at eight nine million, like he probably did or the eighteen or so that he would have got paid, and Carolina was a worth Abou- Jack just a thirty three to one wouldn't be worth in roulette, but when the number finally passed. Positive ev profitable by check, said Yep come on down. To me, this is classic ballot check. It's not 'cause cam such a good chance of succeeding. It's for the price. It's a good bet. Be Sure to catch live editions of straight Outta Vegas Weekdays at six PM Eastern three. PM Pacific. Guys it's bobby bones. 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The show points per game. Give it team just under one and a half winds, so the market moves in gives the Patriots, a half a game of season win benefit. You say three points per game. It should be almost a game and a half. Yes, why? Why is the market because you would expect the market? To react. With too much enthusiasm. Oh my gosh. Cam Newton. He's better than Brady at this point which I personally think he may be. I mean Brady. Literally If. He wins his third game this season. He'll have more wins in the rest of the NFL in the history ever for quarterback. Here's age like no one's ever done this so the idea that he's clearly better than Cam I don't get. If Brady stayed with the PATS. PATS would be what eight nine two one win the title Right now Oh, I think even less all right, and literally with Cam. Who I think you could make the case I'll do it this week sometime. Just literally Brady versus Cam. For them to still only be still begin twenty two one to only move a half a game why I think the market is very jittery about cam and the perception that nobody wanted him. RJ, so the market doesn't want to react too much to a player that they thought may well th no team would want so is if I would have, said the casual average fan, not casual but average. What does he think a Cam? What would you have? Said yesterday skeptical because of injury? Okay and also that. Would you agree. There'd be some element of well. When he was had those transcendent physical skills, he could overcome some of his habits. You know if it was not focused on footwork or whatever, but now he's getting a little older. It's coming back to that kind of thing. Yeah, his accuracy was called into question a lot overthrowing receivers, not being on time in certain situations, and then you. Couple that with the fact that he was dealing with the physical ailments, those might be related to each other, but I think that's the overall opinion for most people I agree and I think there's a sense that you can overcome those kind of things I mean. That's what actually Greg cosell alumni. The show was talking about about Aaron Rogers last year is Rogers had these transcendent skills drop just a little bit in some of the bad habits are more. More meaningful now, and he did have a great statistical year, and I also think Cam Newton whatever the situation was with his injuries. He's going to be having a year off, so it's not like. He took a pounding last year. We're looking at at eleven twelve months off from that injury, so if he was ever going to be healthy in his career, this feels like it would be the most and only play two games in eighteen months effectively. So to me to health looks good, but I think the focus he'll have is inevitable, and it's important to remember in two thousand eighteen when he had that first half of the year. That was so good he was running the ball nine times per game. After he got her in the second half of the year, he ran the ball about half. As much nine rushing attempts per game is the most. He ever would have had for a season so after his MVP. Super Bowl year camera the ball and he's six times per game. He had a big drop off then he's gone up in eighteen before he got her. What does it tell us when Cam thinks? He has high stakes. He's willing to run. When he's willing to run, he's truly two dimensional, and he's a much much much better quarterback. 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Tyler Dunne of Bleacher Report and longtime NFL scout and executive Michael Lombardi

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

1:08:36 hr | 1 year ago

Tyler Dunne of Bleacher Report and longtime NFL scout and executive Michael Lombardi

"Yeah. Welcome to the Peter King podcast. Right. Tried to tell you a little bit about football, and maybe a little bit about life. But this week. It's all football all the time. I've got two very interesting guests Tyler done of Bleacher report wrote an explosive story about the divorce between Aaron Rodgers Mike McCarthy with some tentacles of the old Ted Thompson regime and all have Tyler Don on to discuss that story. And also the future of Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay also Mike Lombardi now, Mike has been a longtime acquaintance of mine known them going back to the days when he worked for the San Francisco forty Niners in the eighties longtime NFL employees thirty five year NFL career now he's got a podcast cadence thirteen that we're going. Talk about an we're going to talk about a lot entering the NFL draft, which as he listened to this is just two weeks away. But first quick thoughts on three matters around the National Football League number one Cuyler Murray getting ready to visit the Arizona Cardinals. And I don't know if this is the worst kept secret. I don't think it's a secret anymore. How much the Zona cardinals alike? Cuyler marie. I think most people in the free world want believe that Keiler Marie is going to be taken in the first round with the first pick in the NFL draft on Thursday evening, April twenty fifth, and I think what's really interesting about the way. This is this is happening is that Josh Rosen. The incumbent quarterback is basically being hidden during early drills for the Arizona Cardinals. And look the. Cardinals arena, very tough spot. Josh Rosen is in a very tough spot. He's an adult he understands that what might happen. And to me it's hard to kill the cardinals for not wanting Josh Rosen to come out and to serve play the star in the melodrama. Between the Arizona Cardinals. And not only with Josh Rosen. But also, obviously with Cuyler Murray, I think the cardinals have probably decided what they wanna do. I wrote this week that there's a good chance that the two teams that are most interested in will be most interested in Josh Rosen, our Washington and the New York Giants. And so we'll see what happens, but the cardinals have to be very very careful in this number one the NFL wants to keep a lid on all this until draft night. You've got ABC got ESPN. You've got NFL network all going live with different telecasts. And the last thing they want is to have zero drama going into that evening. So I think it's going to be very very interesting to watch this over the next couple of weeks. But the next chapter is going to be. With the visit of Cuyler Murray to the Zona cardinals. Where I think we all believe that hill end up being United with guy recruited them out of high school cliff Kingsbury when he was a college coach in the state of Texas number two Antonio Brown. You know, I think there are some people who probably should just take a longtime out from social media. Antonio Brown's said this week. Okay. You know, I'm outta here. Basically because all I get is grief on social media. And I think everybody would view the latest tempest when Antonio Brown criticized his former teammate juju Smith Schuster for costing the Steelers a playoff spot by fumbling. It New Orleans in a brutal loss in December. I mean, the bottom line is why in the world. Would you bring that up three months after the season? It's one of the silliest things that I've ever seen you know, to bring that up three months after the end of the regular season for no good reason whatsoever except apparently for vengeance. So Antonio Brown now going off social media. And I think a lot of people will look at Antonio Brown and wave and say do this is for your own good. You need to get away for a while. And maybe forever. And look I think Antonio Brown is going to be a good impact player in Oakland for the raiders, but he's not doing himself or his image any favors with ripping a guy like juju Smith Schuster who was only good to him in the time that they were together in Pittsburgh number three the NFL in the NFL PA issues statement late Tuesday of this week, which basically said essentially that we have been negotiating we had a good negotiating session. Shen today, meaning on Tuesday, as you listen to this, you know, early in this week, it'd be Tuesday remind they had negotiating session, and they expect to have more negotiating sessions. I think the interesting thing about what I'm hearing about both sides. I don't think it's going to stay all nice and friendly and pleasant at all. But I do think that it's a good sign that they're sitting down now with a full two years left in the collective bargaining agreement to really try to lay the groundwork for some quality discussions now. I believe they're going to be two elements that are going to be really important sticking points that we'll see whether there's any movement at all I think that the players association with love to get rid of the franchise tag because it really limits. The ability especially of. Big big time players to get what they really worth on the open market. And then I think it's going to be very interesting to see how much the NFL pushes. And this is not a huge thing in negotiations. But I do think it'll be an interesting little sticking point. I've been told all along that the NFL is very interested in placing a franchise inland and sometime after the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement and the signing of new one which clearly would be sometime in two thousand twenty one. So if the NFL wants to put a free inch is over in Europe, they're gonna have to get the sign off from the NFL PA, and what will the work rules be like will players who agree to play for a franchise in London. Get paid automatically. Fifteen percent. More will the salary cap be a little bit higher twenty or thirty million dollars higher. So that players can earn more money because honestly, you know, everybody say, well, jeez. Why why would that be a factor because it is going to be a hardship for some guys to live five thousand miles away from home and guys are not gonna wanna do it. But if a franchise moves, and you go over there. I think you're going to have to give a carrot to some players. I know that this is not on the front burner of anybody's agenda. But I do believe it's going to be a very interesting negotiating point for the players. And for the owners in the next couple of years as the collective bargaining agreement is negotiated but I will say this a very good sign. The only thing I'm hearing is you don't hear anybody. Oh. Pouting or or being really disagreeable early on in these negotiations. You don't hear anything at all? But I can tell you that. If there were some angry people in here, you would see here's some leaks right now. You don't hear that? And hey for people love football. I think everybody is rooting for a CBA that gets done on time. So that no games. No training camp is missed in two thousand and twenty one. And now my conversation with Tyler done of Bleacher report. Happy to be joined on the Peter King podcast by Tyler done writer for Bleacher report who basically has written a bombshell story, which if you're listening to this podcast, you have read this perhaps you've read it seven times if you're a Green Bay Packers fan because you just wanna make sure that that you have basically gotten all of it because there was so much in it about what went wrong between Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers and Ted Thompson and really why what should have been a great Green Bay. Packers franchise, basically went astray, and Tyler I also really fascinated. When you write a story like this. I want you to explain if you can a little bit about kind of what it takes to write a story like this. Because clearly, you you formerly covered the Packers in Wisconsin, and you had to have some institutional knowledge and institutional contexts so take a minute if you can and and tell people what exactly goes into writing a story like this. You got Peter emancipate. You so much for Hemion to get into all this. You know, I covered the team for four years at the Milwaukee journal sentinel and a couple of off seasons before that as a as an intern for a couple of different outlets when I was in college out there, so bits and pieces kinda was there throughout this. Arranged marriage was doomed I guess all along what goes into it? I guess is how did it get from point to point B? I remember being out there for the fifteen in one season being out there for contending near after year. When it was like, Ryan grant said everything was automatic. They're they're in meetings. Almost chuckling when preparing for an opponent because they know exactly which players are gonna work, and they're gonna dominate offensively. How did it get from there to what we saw that day against the cardinals when they inexplicably lose a terrible era Zona team at home at the game or just kind of following for a far. And I'm like man, it got bad fast at what happens of, and that's kind of Genesis Ford. It's curiosity you like, no, you're just kinda want to follow your intuition and your curiosity, and I just picked up my phone and started going through my contacts and seeing you know, which which players scouts personnel. Guys coaches were in. They're made a list of a bunch of numbers started texting started calling. There was one conversation specifically with how long ago, so when did you win? Did you start doing this yet definitely feel free to cut me off? I don't want to ramble too much here. It was around. Yeah. Right around that game. Really? So, you know, mid December. Yeah. And it was a, you know, a personnel guy who was there for a while. And isn't there anymore reached out to him, and we talked for probably hour and a half. At least, you know. And it just shocked me. I mean, the things he was he was saying about about Mike McCarthy about Aaron Rodgers some really skating stuff. And I I didn't really know that Mike McCarthy's offense what his stale as it did. I mean, I'm not really an Xs and os guy stuff on Twitter. But this guy really laid out exactly how things devolved in. How Cornerbacks division are literally calling out plays before the snap. And. And here's why the plant route died, and here's why this died and. And that they went through all of that. So, you know, it kinda started there, and then you start talking to many players as possible as many coaches as possible and probably got forty five to fifty guys all and you know transcribed. It all work for printed. It out read it reread every reread it and try to get a sense for where people were coming from. And then at the last part is writing, you know, and getting into it that way, but big picture, I thought it would be big to get as many voices as possible to really get that the big picture like I didn't really want it to be a Aaron Rodgers center story or a Mike McCarthy McCarthy center store, and I reached out took both kind of later in the game. I didn't wanna be kind of swayed. I I there way wanted to be more. So the bulk of as many people's like to talk to that were around. You know, originally what's going gonna be a Packer story that became? A Rogers McCarthy dominant story. And during the course of this. It sounds like he worked on it for about four months. Was there a Eureka moment in those four months a Eureka interview where he just said holy cow. This is this is gonna be pretty big. See probably, you know, that first one definitely opened my eyes things. And then getting guys on the record was dig probably Greg Jennings that conversation, and you know, we we talked on the phone that he was he wanted to talk about this. You know, it was like at an airport. I think is literally going through don't gate the gate and getting on the plane, and the only reason he hung up because his plane was taken off whatever members. It was amazing about what was amazing about Greg Jennings. And you know, how I always I always think of stories in this way. And you know, when I think of this story your story on the Packers. I don't the first thing. I think of in retrospect after reading it. I don't think of Mike McCarthy getting a massage or anything like that. I think of the more the football parts of this story, the amazing thing and probably this might not even be people's top five of things that they learned from it are things they'll remember I will remember Greg Jennings. Basically telling the story of Aaron Rodgers saying to a member of the San Francisco forty Niners before they played a game after Greg Jennings was in I believe is fourth season of being the most reliable target or the most productive target for Aaron Rodgers. According to Jennings Rogers, Saint hey, you should come and get this guy next year. What? That was that was an amazing. That's an amazing story to me. It just is. Yeah. Words right out of my mouth. I mean that was the moment. I mean because you know, write a story. It's one thing. It's one thing to tell. It's one thing for players to tell you what they think they're paying their thing to show it had these examples in Greg Jennings's he brought the heat on both. You know, it's and I think the Packer fans become after this guy, and he knows that he self aware about it. You know, they're going to span is Twitter and everything, but he's like this is my relationship, and he'll detailed it blow for blow. You know, all the way to being a eight a threat far being Viking in him talking to Brett farve and air riders being ticked off about that. But coming Viking himself and seeing that, you know, some of the Packer receivers were looking over their shoulder for Rogers and say, look, okay. I mean, he really brought that to life. I feel like Andy said his number one. I mean, the moments they shared that Super Bowl threat of the needle. That's the that's the best of Aaron Rodgers life. Well, no, John Cook is throw of his life. But this probably in in a Super Bowl was the most significant throw of his life. One hundred percent, and it's just wild to think that if it could get so bad so fast when they had so many amazing moments together, and you know, people can dismiss him they want they can just Mr Michael female. They weren't look ex players that were around, you know, the I don't call it acts to grand call it a guy being honest, you know, his livelihood isn't tied to Aaron Rodgers anymore. You know, I mean, he can they can speak candidly, speak refreshing. And look I tried to get ahold of James Jones, and didn't you know, declined to talk to run a phone network. However, you wanna word it just never heard that. And I know he's upset with what was the story. Look these people put their name to it. They brought examples Ryan grant was excellent engage engaging in really painted a great picture. So I think that was the having you know, what the what really made the story powerful is that it would have been very very easy for people to dismiss the story. If you couldn't name if you were just able to say, one, former Packers receivers said or one longtime target of Rogers or one former running back or whatever, but you're able to name them. And I think most people's biggest problem with stories that really go behind the curtain and really go underneath the surface of of somebody who's huge in the NFL and huge in sports. You know, the fact that you're able to have multiple teammates who were willing to speak on the record that really that goes to. I think quite honestly, I think it goes to your diligence with this story, you're relationship with some of these guys. And just the fact that that is an important part of this story that names were named. I totally agree. And then I appreciate that yet. That that credibility is is big. And you hope that people respect, you know, your reporting, and what you've done in the past when they do read on anonymous, quote, and they know that we aren't just throwing this out there that this comes from a place that that we trust. And we don't take that trust. For granted. We don't take that lightly. I think that combination was big here. Because as you know, I mean, there are things that players coach whoever they that. They wanna say they want out there. They they want to bring the story to life, but they don't want to take the risk maybe deta Jennings or a Finley, you know, they're thinking about maybe being in the NFL in the future. And they just don't want that to pop up on Google when you search their name is some simple as that. And it's gonna shoot from the hip, but it's they still they still want to let people know. And that was that was the case all over the place here. What what happened when you reached out to Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy and Ted Thompson? Yep. So like I said that was a little later in the game. I really wanted to get a full picture of the situation from dozens and dozens of people here, but want wanted to give them a chance obviously to address any, you know, handle claims by others and Mike McCarthy left message on the phone messages on the phone didn't hear back and Aaron Rodgers. It was just not around the Philipe wasn't able to reach him. And Ted Thompson, you know. I didn't have a contact for try to numbers that. I thought might if it his didn't have any luck. So, you know, obviously, the people would want to hear what they have to say Mike McCarthy did a really good QNA with robbed a mosque ran the day before our story. So kind of explain things and his voice, their routers. Maybe asked about whatever and he can address if you'd like he might even try to drive it forward. Think about the offense with Matt with low who knows you know with. But yeah, I mean, I get it. You wanna hear their voices? And maybe that is lacking here. Maybe you know, people reading this. I wanna hear Raja say, I still really value. Getting the bulk the high volume several different interviews with several different sources, you know, not multiple different agendas. It's if they even have an agenda, he's getting want one singular agenda dominate the story that you see some time. He starts like, oh my gosh. Well, obviously, you know, this coach was the big source behind the story. I didn't want that. You know, it's it's interesting when you do a story like this that is that so deep and has so many tentacles into so many things I'm left thinking at the end of its sort of looking forward is the Packers pick up the pieces. You know, a couple of thoughts came to mind one. You know, Mike McCarthy is going to have a difficult time. I think coming back from how it ended in Green Bay coming back from the fact that he didn't get the jets job. And although there was some interest between him in Cleveland. You know, he didn't end up interviewing in Cleveland. He decided to you know, basically, enter the off-season get his health, right? He had a knee surgery at the end of his tenure in Green Bay. And also to just get every always ducks in a row, but the one thing. I kept thinking about is. I wonder if Mike McCarthy has a chance now to be Brian Billick a Super Bowl winning coach. And now will he ever get a chance after the way it ended in Green Bay? And I have to think that if he does interview for jobs in two thousand twenty and beyond people are going to be asking about stuff in this story. Yeah. And you know, what is shocking and surprising in the revelations. Whatever you wanna call it may may seem to readers. I don't think a lot of this is the prize to people in mono. I mean think about when he started there in Green Bay six two to eighteen you've got a lot of people on different teams. Now, that know a lot of this stuff. I mean, they they know that it was a talent based scheme a matchup base scheme, which was which works great. If you've got that talent. But in today's NFL, I mean, you've got to be able to ski if you have it, and he just didn't really have in the words of many others that were around him. I think the people know that so you know, as much as the other stuff, you know, whether whether or not he got our how I should say. How miss massages you got in the office. We'll never know. I mean, you know, I don't think that. That's something. That's a -sarily that would prevent him from getting a job. But the fact that he did take this more. You'll like approach wasn't in the offense of meetings that roped some guys the wrong way in Enron other guys around way, but that's something he'll have to dress. What why did he take that approach when as one guy said your quote unquote, chilling during the week and call on plays, and then what's up with the scheme. Where are you gonna take? This. Those definitely are things to answer for and maybe is Brian. I I don't know. I like to think he gets another shock if he built something great and Green Bay when he had the talent the talent to do it again. Where does Aaron Rodgers go from here, obviously out of this story, which I'm sure Rodgers will dispute at some point he comes across as a major prima Donna, and almost like a, you know, a Don, you know, a mafia Don, I'm deciding to throw this guy the ball more. And at least that was the impression that if you didn't do what Aaron said, he probably wasn't gonna throw the ball. That's the impression that was left with some of his receivers, especially young receiver. So there seems to be going into two thousand nineteen the new coach Matt leflore a lot of pressure on Rogers, and I don't want to oversimplify this. But basically to take coaching. Which is thirty five years whole. I'm spending the NFL since you know, two thousand five he's been around awhile crazy that we're asking that question. I mean DRA Michael Finley way put it is expect an attic, the change is an attic, and the changes ways, you got the contract. Now, he's got the leverage might Carthy knew. We didn't stand a chance last year after that, you know, at least as wants to season guy role. And I think that if he if he wants to win air riders said this a lot, you know, like these are made of the postseason. He gets all of that these small sacrifices need to be made in Jennings. Put it really well. It's not like you have to change a ton. I mean, you're still has debased arm in football incredible athleticism for his age in critical physical talent now with the new scheme that will be more innovative and and use Shen in this direction and outcomes nations and an office coordinator, Nate Hackett who's gonna push him. Just got all the energy in the world. Isn't an embrace that and within that scheme a little bit more Mike McCarthy gave that freedom to break from the offense. And he needed to rather Sultan, you too can you kinda pull that back look in the mirror and make all Aker ffices? If he does I think that. Yeah. The Packers could contend because he is still unbelievably talented, but he's got to do it. Because they don't have the talent that they had in twenty ten twenty seven will Aaron Rodgers respect. Matt leflore? I don't know. I I really don't know the s the Jennings's and the finley's, and and some other folks around the organization some ex players, they they're very very skeptical. They think that the veterans in the locker room, maybe help keep them accountable early on you lost those veterans, and you kind of started more so doing what he wanted. I I really don't know. I think it's gonna take that. So perplexing. You know, there's two other sort of. There's two other people who come across damaged collaterally fats correct way to put it one of them's Ted Thompson, the former general manager who basically comes across as a guy who just simply couldn't adjust to building a modern football team. And you know, it's interesting Ted Thompson is one of the most. One of the most interesting people I've met covering the NFL because I can I can tell you that I stood with him in the locker room maybe for a half hour after the Packers Super Bowl victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers, whatever now, I guess it's eight or nine years ago and Ted Thomson had wave after wave of people come into him and said what about all these people who didn't trust you to build a team. What about all these people who said this who said that there wasn't one moment where Ted Thompson, basically lit into anybody or said anything negative about anybody. He's just a he's almost a immune to all of it. He just doesn't really get upset seemingly about anything. But he comes across really damaged. I think in this story as a guy who refused to change and not that he's going to work in the NFL again. But is that a fair portrait of basically, Ted Thompson lion in winter? Very very fair. I think nailed it. Look. I mean, he inherited a team with a lot of bad contracts and really bad salary cap situation. You know, early oh five an aging Brett Farr and decided to draft and develop made some really tough decisions. I mean, you can remember him drafting Aaron Rodgers that call criticism remember him, not acquiring. Randy moss and trading for him. That's a lot of criticism. He's made the tough decisions. He's been very very methodical and building through the draft made helps make the Packers that perennial contender. They became making the playoffs that years in a row, but you know, as the salary cap rose as the team became. Close to powerhouse close with honesty, whatever you wanna call it. He just never signed those betters that they needed every March just this didn't do it for one, you know, and let a lot of veterans. Go leaders go in and that came up a ton with ex players that believe he if let some really good players go a couple years too soon and underestimated the impact of those players had in the locker room, and I think that a TJ laying adjusting on the offensive line helped how cold Aaron Rodgers accountable, and they'd call them out, and he respected that I think it was a good to relationship there and defensively Beechy Rajhi's named came up of bunch for one as somebody who was a really strong leader. If you're a member Cincinnati game at twenty thirteen when Rogers McCarthy close close to blows. It's Rogers steps in of plays mind Mills Lane there. So there's that factor. And I think he didn't see the forest from the trees. He such a scout. Scout he loves football loves going to pro days loves all of that. Which is which is great, which is the reason the Packers able uncover a lot of late round jams. Undrafted guys, you're missing the relationship between Mike McCarthy and Rogers or not seeing the red flags you're never stepping in. And forcing that moment of reckoning that was needed. You just never did that. And then nobody above Ted Thompson stepped in when his health deteriorated toward the end. And and he's falling asleep in meetings, and this speech is slurred, and it's obvious to people around him. He shouldn't be the general manager. It was it was a problem just persistent, and you know, this better than me, Peter. But I know a lot of owners get criticized for harsh decisions and rash decisions. The the Packers probably needed that singular heavy-handed owner at some point to step in and clean this up and the defacto owner Mark Murphy's finally doing that. Now, what's really, really interesting? You know, I think Rogers. Was was really really ticked off at Mike Florio last fall because Florio was writing things like, you know, Rogers is you know, you can feel his passive aggressive nature when he's dealing with Mike McCarthy, you can tell he really doesn't have that much respect for them by this this and this and how incredibly ironic in the twenty four hours after your story appeared one thing appeared on social media from Aaron Rodgers, and that is this tweet. I'm proud to say I got to play and be and be protected by these two warriors TJ Lang and Josh Sitton. No, one had more fun or made these longest days more fun than these two, blah, blah, blah anyone on and that to me he didn't write a tweet where he says this story. By Tyler Dunn's, a piece of crap or this this story by Tyler done. My god. He, you know, took this out of context took that what he did was he did the passive aggressive thing. He basically said here's these two great players who we chose not to resign. And I chose today to recognize what a privilege it was to play with these guys. I mean that was the most I maybe Aaron Rodgers it's the most innocent thing in the world. I think there's a zero zero point zero zero one chance that that was not intended as a response to your story. And I just want to know, what did you think when you saw that? You know, what I haven't even thought of it like that either. But a lot of sense it really does if passive aggressive is a term that does come up when you talk to people about Aaron Rodgers. And that I it wouldn't surprise me. And you know, I it's it's kind of funny, and we're laughing and stuff, but it has been a problem. It seems like if something is bothering him or festering and kicked off at McCarthy or ticked off about something, you know, in his professional wide personal life people close to him say he would just kind of stuff it deep down inside of them and wouldn't wouldn't attack a problem head on and avoided confrontation. And I think that personality trait hurt him here with Mike McCarthy. And I do think that Mike McCarthy tried. I mean, it sounds like he reached out and wanted to have him over it talk here. And there he kind of gave him the advice once pick up the phone and call your mom, and in so many words. He told us coach to mind your own business. So they just never really addressed the problems of simmer for years. Yeah. That was that was one of the things you need story. That was so interesting that it sounded like McCarthy at some point really tried to. Intervene in a friendly slash positive way in Aaron Rodgers life. And he wanted to have none of it. We'll end with this. Tyler Tyler done Bleacher report is is fantastic story illuminating story on the Green Bay Packers and the relationship between Rogers and McCarthy and how it ended in such ugly divorce. Is there any way that Aaron Rodgers does not finish his career is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers? Never thought that Brett Farr would put on another uniform for different reasons. I guess I wouldn't anything not at all. I mean, it's one thing. I couldn't really confirm. I couldn't really report here kinda grumbling here and there, but nothing nothing worth writing. But it's something we're talking about. I I think that the Packers aren't necessarily terrified of life after Aaron Rodgers. I think that they you met flora as a young energetic. Innovative perfect coach for the perfect time poach long-term that can run a team more. So than just get the best out of Aaron Rodgers, I and just handed this contract. So it's silly to even you know, think about life after riders, but he's thirty five. I mean, Tom Brady's gonna reality there. And I just think that they're not they're just not necessarily afraid of it only going to draft a quarterback anytime soon of the first around, but just keep that in mind that there. Thinking pitcher, they don't have the drama, and they made that clear to them Tyler done. Congratulations on the story once again and. I just got a lot of respect for you for having been able to form the kind of relationships that writing a story like this truly does entail. So congratulations and all the best to you. I can't tell you how about heaviness coming from you, Peter. So thank you so much. Really appreciate you had me on to talk about it at length here. Support. For the Peter King podcast comes from wicks dot com. Wicks you can create your very own professional website. Choose a template you love and customize it by adding your own text images and videos with hundreds of intuitive design features. You can tell your story exactly the way you want you want even more for your website. 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There aren't many people who can say they worked for Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Bill Belichick, but Mike Lombardi is done that. I mean can anybody else say that Mike that you that that that they worked for Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Bill Belichick? I don't think. So, but I'll add a little I'll put another ante into the pot and gone to a Super Bowl with author. Yeah. That's. When you look at that, you know Bill in our work together at one time. So, you know, Bill actually the reason I ended up working for our was because Bill I was driving Bill Walsh around one day. He said, you know, the most football ever learned was working for the raiders from Davis. So that's what prompted me to work for them. So I don't know. I mean, but remember I'll never forget this story that you told me this is one of the first times I ever met you talk to you this a long time ago when we were talking about the incredible drafting prowess of Bill wall, right? And we're talking about Charles Haley, and you said that Bill Walsh watched a few snaps of Charles Haley, James Madison, and you or somebody said to him. Jeez. Don't you wanna watch a few games? He goes, hey, I've watched five or eight snaps of this guy. I've seen what he can do if he can do that in five or eight snaps. We can teach him we can coach him to do it for a full game. Member that, oh, I remember I can still remember when when when when he should off the projector. He said men do we need a really see anymore. And then he asked the great, Bill McPherson. He said MAC where would you draft this guy and MAC made this painful face like, he had the worst gas of all time, you know? You know, I may be in the in the tenth round. And coach wall said MAC, if we want the guy we're going to pick the guy not wait until the tenth around. But yeah. Those those drafts in San Francisco. You know, have an indelible like I can still remember Bradford Dilmun. Yeah. We gotta tell the story of Brad for Dylan. Because just remember this the drafts were longer in those days. Right. They were heavily on twelve rounds or whatever that was a twelve round draft. Yeah. But you were there in San Francisco for three years, right? Eighty four eighty five eighty six and eighty seven grass see you were there for four drafts. And just to preface the story. Bradford Dilmun was a character actor correct in Hollywood, and he was a huge forty Niners fan and a draft Nick and a draft nut. He was like he was like Mel kiper junior junior. Right. And he would end so Walsh would let them come to the draft. Right. Let them, you know. It's funny. Dr Darren Roselle reported nine or sold to tickets to the draft room for twenty two thousand dollars each or whatever it was. Brad Dilmun got gotta complimentary. He said in their came in with his little briefcase he sat down, and this was we were at seven eleven of street. We weren't in the new where they are. Now, you're in Redwood City, California would City California and kind of a dumpy little facility not kind of. Little Savary NFL team in nineteen eighty five at a dumpy facility and the team meeting room was separated by one of those accordion, kind of wall that you go back. So we took the accordion wall back. We opened it up. We set it up as a draft room put the boards on the wall. The the guy would come in. We put the boards on the wall brat and the front of the room the back, which was the back of the room became coach Walsh's like he had a desk there. And then the other opposite end is where Brad Dilmun set. So in nineteen eighty six we start off. And he tells me write these three names on the draft board, and I write Gerald Robinson defensive end Auburn. I right John L Williams running back, Florida. I write Ronnie Harmon running back Iowa. And I sit down I read them on a chalkboard keyword here chalkboard because there wasn't a greaseboard back then. And then the next pit comes up. It's the Minnesota Vikings. There goes Robinson the next pick comes up. There's a Seattle Seahawks. There goes Williams. The next pick comes up. There goes is buffalo. There goes Ronnie Harmon we have nothing to pick not. Nothing to pick. So coach walls patiently calmly the sides. Let's by half hour by buying a half hour. We just moved to spots down at Dallas come up and we buy a half hour. Well that led to this avalanche of trading down. So by the end of the day, we accumulate we have a second round pick. We have one next year we have three three three fours and some other pick. So we end up picking Larry Roberts. We're gonna pick in the first round. Anyway, got rest of soul. And then we pick them up at the top of the round pick Tom rathman, which has its own story without Davis involved in it. And then we pick Tim Kerr John Taylor. And then at the top of the fourth we pick Steve Wallace Kevin Fagan and Charles Haley, and then in the fifth round the personnel director at the time. Tony, regina. So this is the worst draft of all time. If we don't pick Patrick Miller from Florida, we are going to go. This is the only thing that can salvage this draft. And so we go over and coach wash looks at me. And I said. Well, coachee tested positive for marijuana at the combine which eighty six was like the big deal that was a huge deal. Right, right. So walls is kind of pissed off and says. All right. So just to make to shut Toni up picks them. And then he walks over the board. And he calls me over says Michael who's this kit here and he points to Don Griffin from middle, Tennessee. I said, well, that's the high value player of the year. He played he played free safety at a middle, Tennessee. So we'll draft him in the six round when it comes time. So I race to the telephone in the other room to call Don Griffin because it's eighty six and and to see if he's alive because there's no internet. There's no way to check. He's alive we draft him. So now, we've picked all these picks. We're we're kind of waiting to the draft end so walls announces after we picked on Griffin. He says Brad in the ninth round. You get the pick. So like, it was a guy who's been on Colombo and get your she wrote. Yeah. Right. And so I mean like it was like it was staged. He flips open his briefcase, and he's got a tight written note that he has that's going to announce the pick. So he gives it to coach walls, and I can still remember when coach Walsh read this. He says he wants to draft herald home in a defensive end from Auburn because home and gets more penetration than Warren Beatty at a sorority party. Description. We draft howled home and he lasts ten minutes in training camp. He goes he doesn't even get the goes right to Canada. He makes like all Canadian eight years in a row over hilly. He was undersized defensive tackle Grizz. That's fantastic. With with Mike Lombardi, Mike before we go any further. You've got a new podcast. I wanna hear about it. And I want to hear to me. I think you'll be great at podcasting because running your own podcast because you can talk for a long time. Yeah. And you've been a lot of places. There's anyway, let's hear about your pod. Well, I'm really excited for I mean, it's it's an opportunity to talk about during the off season. We'll do it once a week during the season. We'll do it twice a week. But the first one will be kind of a review of what happened what we saw kind of a little bit of the stories that not everybody kind of your column taking the stories a little deeper. How teams one why teams loss? I think the hardest thing Davies used to do this to me all the time. You get on the team plane after a game. He would say. Do you know what we want or do? You know, why the F we lost? And I'd have to answer them. And I couldn't say, well, we got a bad call today. You know, Mr. Davis. I I'd have to give them a real answer. And I think that that those two questions are fundamentally never answered in the NFL. They're always answered in some way. That's not accurate. I mean Andy Reed says we lost to the because we didn't get the ball at in overtime. But they allowed thirteen for nineteen third downs to be converted. They allowed three third downs on that last drive. They couldn't stop them at any point in the game. They had ample opportunity to run the clock with three minutes to go in the game. They were down by three. They could've run the clock down not allow Brady to get the game. But yet the reason they lost because they didn't get the bone overtime. It's so those are the kind of things we really wanna talk about on the podcast and then at the end of the week. We're gonna talk about the games and see how they measure up and football is a game of ups, you know, and. I don't bet games. But I love matchups about games. And so I talk about that. And who has the favorable matchup who's going to win it who who could win it and why they should win. Mike. I want to ask you about your years without Davis. You had to ten years, right? Yeah. With davis. So tell me the years of each no just one I was with them from well when you're without for for as long as I was it was like two lives have. I'm reading a book right now about JD Salinger, which is the most fascinating book I've ever read. It's an I didn't know JD Salinger survive, the Normandy, invasion. I did not know that he went to a German prison war camp. And was so devastated. That's why you know, and the aftershock of what he went through in the war, baby. Led to the reason he became such a reclusive credible book by Shane Salerno. But anyway after spending all that time with Al I can't understand Hayao, still married. Be you know, a how I've my family stayed in. Tag be because those years were never easy. All right. So how what what was your what were your years went to ninety nine to two thousand and seven although all those people that blame me for jamarcus Russell, I was sent to Elba in two thousand seven. So when you get sent to Elba in the Polian was sent to Elba after he was overthrown in France twice. It's why the town of Luca in Italy is is basically dominated by the French because that was where the Polian sister lift. And so he gave her that town. So our always say to me kid if you'd like that you're going to Elba. Yeah. So officially I went to Elba in two thousand and seven, but what what did you do in two thousand seven I sat in my office. I watch tape on the draft. I went for a walk every single day for at least an hour. I answered whenever he called me to ask me about something link. Kiffin was the head coach he came come into my office and beg me to tell Al not the draft jamarcus Russell. And I said lane, look, I'm gonna get fired after. A draft. So I don't think I got any say with them you go talk to John kingdom down the hall and might want to talk to him. But talk to me. I'll never forget the first time. And I and we'll get back to Al say. But I never forget the first time I met lane kiffin it was in raiders training camp. He's like he looks like he's sixteen years old for crying out loud. It's like thirty three years old. And I said I said to him man what motivated you to take this job? And he said, hey, you know, three year contract, whatever the money was he said some dollar figure. He goes, what's the worst? That can happen. Fires me. And I thought that was that's lane kiffin. Yeah. Okay. But I thought I would not want to enter a job thinking. Oh, what's the worst thing? That can happen. They fire me. I mean, I'd wanna say oh my God. I get to sit at the right hand of Al Davis. I get to learn this. I get to be a head coach in the NFL. I don't know. I don't think he was thinking that way. I think he almost got the job like US grant became the head of the army. He just was the next guy. Yeah. Like, he you know, he comes. In with Steve Sarkisian, so Sarkozy's back and forth to Oakland interview with Al for the head coaching job. And every time he comes. This is a Cording to Sarkissian. He claims house lies on. Okay. So the last time he comes up. I'll tell them. I wanna meet who's you're going to be offense coordinator, and so brings lane with them. Yeah. So then lane comes up, and he puts on the blackboard, and they go through their the gymnastics. And then when Sarkisian lands back in LA, he basically has been lied to enough, and he leaks that he's pulled out of the job at comes across the ticker me. While also sense is trusted aide. John Harare down to LA to try to figure it out. I mean like like seriously there that was that was the comedy of all comedy. Do you remember in two thousand four when I wanted to come and cover the draft in Oakland. But at the time, I was really on the outs with Al Al did not like some of the stuff that I had written. And you said to me, well, I'll see what I can do. Whatever I'll talk to Al, you know, it'd be great to have you in for the draft. All that. So you talk to ally. I don't know why. I don't know. How I don't know what you said. But then Mike Taylor PR guy said, yeah, you know, you can you can come in. And and I'll talk to you and everything and I will never ever forget the draft was on a Saturday. Okay. Now, Mike on Friday. No earlier that week. Align manning, Robert, gallery, the tackle from Iowa and one other guy had come in to visit the raiders, right? You know because L you guys had I think the fourth pick in the draft third or fourth second second pick. Okay. Sorry. So Alice trying to figure out who is gonna draft, and you're going to have to tell me the real story. But the thing there's two things I will never ever forget. I was going to see how that Friday the day before the draft. I was going to have an hour with Al at one o'clock in the afternoon. So I come in, and I go into AL's office and in office are for televisions, and they're in a diamond shape. There's one TV up on top. And then lowered left. There's another one lower. Right. There's another one and at the bottom. There's another one it's like an diamond formation, and we started talking in Al started talking about women's basketball. And he started talking about how much he loved Diana Terachi in the Yukon huskies. And so I said, well, jeez. My my brother my sister, and my brother in law live about ten minutes from stores and they have season tickets the uconn women's basketball. So then we talk I'm in there to talk about who they're going to draft and all he. Wants to do is talk about how much he loves uconn basketball, e loves Gino, Auriemma, all this. It was it was an amazing conversation. But you know, what else? I remember about that day, Mike, I leave your your facility, and I go back to my hotel. And I'm sitting in my hotel and news comes over. The Pat Tillman is dead. That was the day that Pat Tillman died the day before the draft in two thousand they we learned that he died that. Yeah. The day. You'll learn that he died. I don't know might have been a day or two before. But anyway, so it was I don't know why that just all hit me, but that was an incredible day. But I would just ask you two thousand four draught Al Davis. Why Robert gallery instead of ally? Manning, Philip rivers, Ben Rothlisberger. Well, I think two things remember that line said about evaluate your own team. Yeah. We did a we had rich Gannon. Yeah. Ours never about rebuild. He was always about repair. And hours never about trying to draft a young quarterback. Angela Angela Koya the the scout who he brought with him from the citadel to USC had been in one of his players forever was jumping up and down on the table for a Ben Rothlisberger up and down on the table. I mean he wanted him badly. Now, we were not gonna we were not didn't have a chance to pick enough at the end of the day. Mike, you know, what how great a raider would Ben routh? That's exactly where Angie's words, how great a raider would he'd been. And so he was never going to go into that. And so- gallery was supposedly quote, unquote, the cleanest player. I remember everybody. It was a can't miss left. Let's he was an eagle scout quite literally. Yeah. He was an eagles. He was literally that you can't miss what the sky was perfect. And again, you know, and we missed I mean, we took everybody in the room was yes, he's a great player. Plays left tackle and any turned out. Be nice guard turn out and actually Aaron Kromer the offense of line. Coach of the Rams today. Put him at right tackle because we had Barry SIMS at left tackle. Who was a really good left tackle? And so we draft gallery he wasn't going to beat out SIMS. And so which made the pick even more perplexing. We could put we put them at right tackle and Cromer got him to play the best he ever played in his career. Yeah. So, but but for me walking into the raider draft room was literally a twilight zone episode. I know they brought the twilight zone back now. I wish I could because it was literally you would leave two thousand four and when you would cross that doorway you entered nineteen sixty. There were no phones in the room. There were there was a phone for him. There was no TV's in the room. I mean, no TV's TV's. You couldn't listen to Alloa Casella was the only person who was on the phone to the league office. So you had a listen to low ca- sell tell you who the pick was well that was my first year was ninety nine right by two thousand I got the internet put into the room. So I didn't have to listen to LOKI because he would say day just drafted. They just drafted and he would mispronounce the guy's name. And I would say who and he would just screw up the name, and you would have to there and deal with it. Why did not want technology and it's draft room because he's done a thousand because ole line we've always done it with technology. We're gonna keep doing it without because Sinai held him my office above my desk that when he would sit there after he worked out that said if you don't like change relevance, even less by arch since get United States army. I tried to get him to read that subliminally through that. He. Could. So that's why we never changed. Yeah. Let me just get back to that draft year. So he never really wanted rothlisburger. And he certainly never really was not his type because he wasn't a big strong, arm guy. There was really only one player that that really was in the discussion. It was Ben Rothlisberger. He was big he dominated his conference. He powerful arm. You know? And then that first game of the year we go back and play. Now north Turner just comes into the coach. So we go back and play Pittsburgh opening game. And Tommy Maddox is the starting quarterback for the Steelers that year, and we come back and make a rally in that game. Come back Maddox mix throw and we lose opening day that week, but then two weeks later Big Ben comes in and starts and leads them to the playoffs. Yeah. Imagine. How history would have been changed? If Ben Rothlisberger was the pig in that draft over Robert gallery. It's just there's so many of that conversation. Yeah. I mean, you could do that. And and and really the root of that conversation comes back to miss evaluating your own team. It isn't that you miss valuated Rosberg because we didn't he really liked. We thought rich. We we thought rich Gannon Allah. The giants think Eli manning can keep going. Yeah. And when you start having that debate when you're in that when you're in that zone of I'm not sure you're wrong. You probably should go ahead. When you think of Davis now? The late Al Davis. What do you think of an is there a classic Alston? Worry that has stuck in your brain. All these years about what it was like to work for him. You know, there's two Davis's for me in my life. The one the later years of his life were very part was he was suffering with whatever elements. He was suffering with that pain. He inflicted on other people it became very difficult to work for the early. Al davis. I learned a lot of football from that's the Davis. I remember the Davis that was. Able to have a conversation with was more giving. I think the what I remember most about Al was his unbelievable passion and his drive to. To really study as craft. I mean, it's remarkable how he would s- the discipline that he took to study his craft and the ideas that he have that he could never implement. He had some brilliant ideas. And I think the the hardest part for him was changed. And I think that that would be the one thing that I would remember is don't be afraid to change. Let me ask you about Bill Belichick and your time working with him, and what really sticks out to you about why he basically has lapped the field while they it's easy because he gets culture more than anybody. He understands how to build a culture he understands how to maintain a culture he understands how to build a team not just pick players and his work ethic is truly remarkable his ability to concentrate is truly remarkable. You know, what I tell people all the time is when he comes in when he works on something he works on that. That's what he works on. And there's no check the internet. Check the scores. His focus is remarkably concentrated on the subject at hand and his ability to to get people to follow him and to get people to do what he needs to do is remarkable. And he communicates for some. Somebody that people in the media wouldn't think he communicates very well. He's an excellent communicator. I sat on the NFL's one hundredth year all time team committee. There's about thirty people on the committee, and I was one of them and Bill was on the committee to and Bill was on the committee on the meetings. He was on the abundant us were in New York. And they were people Don shoe was on the phone Bella trick was on the phone. But what was so interesting is that? I would I would venture to guess that in a, and I I don't know how long the meeting was may be five or six hours one day. He spoke more than anybody else. He was so involved. And so interested, particularly when it came to the bulldog Turner's of the world, he was so interested in the old players from the twenties and thirties and forties. Getting the do that is a scape. Most ancient players over the years. I really thought I thought to myself listening to this. I really wish that people could hear this because he has a love of football. You know, he has a love of football, obviously. But he has such a love of football. And it really came across in that. And I think the parallels between Walsham ballot. Check are similar in that area. I mean Walsh when you get on a team bus with Bill Walsh if you had enough. Urge to get on team bus one. And he would be in seat one there to the right? And he was doodling. He was doodling wing see place or Clark Shaughnessy offense place. He had the sense of history about him. That was remarkable. And that's why today if he were alive he would look at this game today, and he would see so much of the single wing and some of these teams with the running. I mean, Baltimore really would do themselves. If you're Greg Roman and you're running the offense at Baltimore. You do yourself a favor to go back and study a lot of the single wing stuff that they ran back in the thirties and forties because it's good stuff. Just because it happened. Then it doesn't mean, you know, it's good stuff. And I think the sense of history wall, she's to say all the time. The way he created culture was marines fight for marines. And if you don't honor the past marines, how do you get the present marines to fight for you? Right. And that's Bella checks modus when you go you've been in the dining hall. There's a reason why the dining halls line with former patriot greats because when you're sitting there eating he wants you to see Choi Brown. He wants you to see Andre Tippett. He wants you to see John Hannah. He wants you to remember the wall. You know, what the air force academy when you walk to school every day. There's the giant wall of great air force cadets, you go by there and some days class, though, ask you who's on the wall, they want you to know who's on the wall and part of the creating culture is about understanding your history. And that's what Walsh and Bella check were so good at doing will finish this with Mike Lombardi, Mike as we now sit here two weeks before the draft over the years you've been in a lot of draft rooms you've prepared for a lot of. Draughts what is happening right now two weeks before the draft in draft rooms that we don't know the cleanup the the cleanup of there's two things going on. There's the top and the bottom there's the cleanup of all the medical that has to get handled to get the doctors to commit to where you really are. Where can I take this player? Where can I can't Josh sweat the defensive end from Mississippi State has that heart murmur, whatever Montas sweat Montesquieu. I'm sorry has at heart murmur. You've got to be able to handle that. And then you've got to be able to do the last workouts. Where are you going to work out who you have to work out? What coaches you need to see because and then the other factor is you got a bunch of guys coming in on visits in what you wanna do. So those three things you're really working on the top of your draft. Because look let's face it. Anybody who's picking pass ten has no idea who's going to be there? So you're still making sure you can collect the right data. And that's what you're really working on. And then you work on your free agent board like who's who could we get? That's not going to get. Rafted, and we wanna make sure we have them in the right order. Mike Lombardi, it's really been fun. I wish you well with GM shuffle. Your new podcast it. Cadence thirteen it's going to be a winner. And I also am negligent in saying, and I just brought this with me on a trip to the west coast. Recently, your book greed iron genius really has a lot of good informative stuff in there. And the one reason that I think people would really enjoy it is I think a lot of people who have been in your job. Let's say former front office guys in the NFL GM types, and then gone onto either do the meteor something else if they ever write a book or if they ever do this. I remember telling Ross Tucker when he left the NFL played with six or seven teams had a short, you know, at a Cup of coffee a couple of places, but I remember saying. Listen you were behind the curtain. You know, things you've been with great people in football. When you write about it. If you do end up doing that take us there. And that is the thing about gridiron genius. That I think you did that probably you didn't get enough credit for because in that book, you take people to meet Bill Walsh. And and all the people you've worked with in your life. So I've really I'm two thirds of the way through it now, and I've really learned a lot. Thank you. I appreciate it. And let me say this. You're you were instrumental in starting my writing career, and I appreciate that. I can still remember writing for the sl and sending you something and it had more red lines in it than than than hall Castellano over here at sparks, so. Punctuate all your help. Well, I don't know about that analogy might but we've had some good times together. But anyway, Mike Lombardi appreciate you being on the podcast and good luck with GM shuffle here at cadence thirteen. Thanks to my guest Tyler done, and Mike Lombardi if you enjoy these conversations be sure to listen and subscribe to other great episodes in my podcast series such as my conversations with Tony Romo. Chris Collins worth and Kirk cousins, you can find these on apple podcast, Google play or anywhere. You get your podcasts. And don't forget to leave a review while you're there. You can also hear the Peter King podcast on Sirius XM radio every Saturday morning at seven eastern on mad dog sports radio Sirius XM channel eighty two. 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Michael Lombardi on Antonio Brown & the Patriots, plus David Bakhtiari on Aaron Rodgers and playing Monopoly

The MMQB Podcast with Peter King

57:08 min | 1 year ago

Michael Lombardi on Antonio Brown & the Patriots, plus David Bakhtiari on Aaron Rodgers and playing Monopoly

"Welcome to the Peter King podcast cast exiting week one of the NFL season easiest weeks in a while and entering week two with more Antonio Brown the news there are new and explosive charges against Brown in a story breaking Tuesday night as I record this podcast this this week. I'll have two guests former. NFL Executive in Bill Belichick Confidante Mike Lombardi breaking down the Antonio Brown Odyssey with me. Now we spoke late Tuesday afternoon. Before the allegations against Brown broke Tuesday evening also later in the podcast I'll be he joined by all pro. Green Bay tackle David Bahktiar Eerie. We'll talk Aaron Rodgers the pack and much more but I you know until now this Brown story had had basically at hijack the first week of the NFL's one hundredth season and then Tuesday Newsday night. It took an ominous turn. According to a lawsuit filed in Florida a trainer who says she went to college with Brown around at Central Michigan sued him for sexual assault and rape in three distinct incidents in two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen of these are her allegations. Taylor accused Brown of raping her in May two thousand eighteen while he was still remember the Pittsburgh steelers and she filed the suit in Florida on Tuesday Brown's attorney issued a statement Tuesday night denying all these claims saying they stemmed from Brown's refusal to invest in a personal business project pursued by Taylor in two thousand seventeen eighteen. They had had a consensual personal relationship according to this statement now. ESPN's Josephine Anderson reported reported Tuesday night that Brown plans to countersue Taylor okay. So what does this all mean. I think it's too early in this story to say exactly what it means to Brown and the Patriots I read the summary of the suit Tuesday night in the allegations are really disturbing. Taylor says she said panic attacks filled suicidal because of the alleged attacks now Brown obviously in the wake wake of his behavior on the way out of Oakland already is I guess you'd call it radioactive in many circles. These circles are football and you know in in the general public as well. This obviously is not going to help now whenever you listen to this this week the story. I'm sure he's going to have changed several times. I don't know what the Patriots will do. I can't predict the Patriots will do whether they'll whether they want to move on from Brown because the story so ugly or whether they'll just let the legal process take its course course in cases like this usually the NFL will allow the legal process to take its course and so I don't know what either side is going to do right now but in any case the Patriots will have a decision to make and and look I think not that this is going to influence what they do but I think they'll take a battering in the court of public opinion regardless of which direction they go you know taking a battering in the court of public opinion has never concerned Bill Belichick. It's happened to him many times and he doesn't really flinch at things like this. However I think the public opinion and public opinion and in public opinion is always been very important to Robert Kraft the owner of the Patriots so I truly can't predict what what which way they'll go. Stay tuned for this story to take a lot of twists and turns in the coming days and you know obviously from there. There is no good segue from this story to a football podcast so I'm just going to begin with my conversation with Mike Lombardi. He's now a columnist for the athletic and he has a great podcast for cadence thirteen and that comes after years being an NFL executive -secutive he most recently worked for the Patriots and so when he talks about Bill Belichick. I usually listen Mike. I guess I'd be curious because you most recently worked for the Patriots. This column Alam was written and I thought it was very very interesting because this column was written with just a lot of institutional knowledge. I thought and I thought that it probably was a pretty easy column for you to write. One of the things you said in your column is the reality is that Brown just joined the NFL version of the Navy Seals so in a roundabout way. I guess you could probably he just sort of put your feet on the floor in the morning and get out of bed and write this in about fifteen minutes so how do you how did you feel about the decision. And how do you think it's GonNa work. You know it really goes back. Al Davis when Al Davis used to talk about bringing players in he was you know always about what's the plan for the player now that got away from us later in his career later in life when he wasn't as feisty and he wasn't as involved aw in terms of his ability to be involved as age Krypton but Bella Check has taken that program over and so there wasn't a time in Cleveland nor new winging where we brought a player at embiid just thought it was all going to go to plan. I mean he didn't just think it's GonNa work. I mean there was a specific plan in place and I think you can see the difference in the the two organizations. I mean nobody has seen Brown since Saturday when he lewis running around his backyard he's in New England. Nobody has seen him since he's in the witness protection program you might as well be in. West Cape May because nobody's GonNa find him. He's done nothing media-wise meanwhile in Oakland. It was always a circus. It was always always kind of like okay here. He is balloons and all that stuff and I just think it's way different way to managed players. I thought expert said it really well. He said look. I'm not at liberty to talk about it because ballot. Check talked to the team about you know talk to the team about now. He wasn't on the team on Sunday when they play Pittsburgh but he even if he were on the team on Sunday he wouldn't have been on the sideline he when he was in a hotel room exactly where he needs to be so bill's. GonNa do everything in his power and he's got a lot of power to make sure that he controls as much as of the Tony Brown situation that he can control meanwhile. The raiders really didn't have any of it. What do you think happened. Let's let's go back now because my theory is that as we record this onto late Tuesday day afternoon my theory is that this started to really change sometime after Antonio Brown around stepped to the the day and we'll kiss the PR guy. I guess had him read a statement where he apologized. I still don't I don't know what he apologized for you. Nobody apologized for something and then I think that night and the next day is really when it started to change change. I really think that last Thursday he thought he was going to play for the Oakland Raiders so tell me what's your understanding of when things really. Lee started to change for Antonio Brown. I think when I think when they went and said he's either going to be all in all out like I think that conversation needs to be we had. I just don't think he needs to be had in the media. I think it needs to be behind closed doors face to face. I think that look it's hard to go face questions about Antonio around around every single day whether it's the hot air balloon whether it's his feet whether it's his helmet I mean those. Are you know endure. That's a that's a tough thing to deal with but I think anytime you talk to the player lawyer directly to the media and not face to face then it becomes a little pro then you have a problem with the relationship between the player and yourself and I think Bella check is the king it going in the room. You shut the door and you and him have a conversation and I can tell you without a thousand percent certainty that no one knows what that conversation conversation is about because he's never telling anybody newer. Is Anybody asking him so that conversation is always between him and the player and I don't think that happened now. I'm told reliably that Antonio Brown was told when he apologized that he was he was going to have his guarantees and his and is fine was all in place. I don't and it was told to him. Not Rosenhaus his agent I the way he acted it sure doesn't seem like that does it seems like he reacted to the fine and the lack of guarantees and say goodbye now. Maybe he slept on it and said I'm not doing it. Well you explain that for a second can you. You're saying that that Antonio Brown was told that he was that his guarantees. We're going to be in place at some point Thursday. Stare Friday no. I'm told that he was told what before he read that apology that he was losing his guarantees and he was lose and he was is getting fined which I found hard to believe because it didn't seem like that yeah. Why would you that. I minded hard to believe that that's true. I I was told Yeah I mean I was told that by somebody and it just to me it didn't play out now whether whether they told Rosenhaus and he didn't tell the kid I don't know but that didn't seem right. It seemed like when the kid found out he lost his guarantees got fined and I'm not saying they shouldn't have find find him. I'm saying that if you're gonNA take away somebody's Gary You. You should have a meeting and lay it out like the navy seals would here's what's going to happen for you to make it through the Navy seals. If you want to join nst join okay so mike you you would you would have institutional knowledge of something else that really we think interests a lot of people and that is. When did these negotiations really start thing that I've I've learned covering the NFL l. over the years is that there's a real value in relationships at very tenuous times for instance drew. Rosenhaus and Bill Belichick have gotten this had a relationship over the years wear Rosenhaus can call Bella chick and vice versa and say it and say whatever it is they want to say and they're both Gonna go to their graves within or at least bill will you know and and so I wonder what do you think about when this really started this thing with the Patriots Antonio Brown. I think it started started back. In March. I think it started back when the steelers said they were. GonNa Trade Him and I think that Rosenhaus made it aware of teams that he wanted to go to and and it was very it was told that they were not trading him to the Patriots you know and so that put them out of it but then Rosenhaus new back in March arching. I'm not accusing anybody tamper here because this was this was out in the open that he knew the Patriots would have an interest and then as this year went on the Patriots really never solve the whether you you call it the ground problem or whether you call it the receiver they really never handled it you know and so he knew but he also knew there other teams. Rosenhaus had didn't it didn't Rosenhaus have permission to speak to teams around the NFL last March he did. I mean he was talking to Tina because there was no way Antonio Brown was getting traded unless he could work out the contract so he had to be involved right right right okay so now. Let's fast forward to this past weekend. Is it conceivable that Rosenhaus and Belichick could've could've talked Saturday at noon and gotten this done within a half hour or forty five minutes. It's probably exactly what happened. It took probably forty five two minutes to get it done. Bill probably made it very clear to Rosenhaus. You know here's what I'm GonNa need setup. Here's why he rose out said Hey. I'm GONNA need this setup at probably went back and forth on a negotiation didn't take very long and and from there it went you know and so. I don't think it took very long. those things typically. I don't think the player ended up deciding that he wanted to be didn't want to be in Oakland. He wanted to be somewhere you know and I think New England was an obviously an opportunity for them to be there. When you heard all this going down you woke up Saturday morning. You heard about the release release. I knew he was going through New England I mean I knew it was going. There's just look you have to go back to two thousand fifteen opening day on a Thursday night. Tonio Brown was targeted eleven times he had nine catches for one hundred thirty three yards and one touchdown he was doubled on damn near almost every play and he still made nine catches four hundred thirty. I mean there's great respect in the building for the player great respect you know and so once I knew there was great respect and the player and you know Bill Peter you've covered the giants to the Lawrence Taylor days. You have institutional petitional knowledge about how parcells bell they can handle players great. They can handle talent. You know now it's not you know there's certainly you think this is what goes bills not afraid to town those unafraid of telling somebody what he thinks bills not afraid of telling a player that the truth and that's what I wrote about. I mean he's it's not even scared. He's not going to sugar coat it you know and he's not going to give a player permission and release a video with his votes on it because that conversation between him and the player you're. GonNa be sacred and it's going to be between both of them. I have to tell you of all the things that happened I am I was blown away by Jon Gruden in all of this first of all to me. He was the classic table. You know where no matter what happened. Hey don't worry we're going this will be okay. We're going to make this work. I mean there was never any thought ought of his voice on that videotape that they Antonio Brown tape them on Friday night his his voice was almost pleading we please stop this stuff and just play football you just tell and then when he signs with New England Gruden's first thing out of his mouth is well you know I wish him the best. He's a great guy. He so misunderstood I just I mean why can't somebody somebody say what they really feel. If that's what Jon Gruden really feels first of all I'll I'll be shocked but secondly I would much rather have him said. I have no comment because it's so I just I. I lost respect for Gruden hearing him say he does it all the time Peter. He did it with the Khalil Mack He. He never wants to be the bad guy. I call them. The will rogers scouting. He never wants to be the bad guy he said. I hope things work out when when he's got a ten year your contract for one hundred million dollars and all the authority we both like my I like Mike Mayock McMahon. We both like but Mike doesn't have the authority to do whatever he wants to do. In that organization there's only one guy there's one guy that can do anything he wants to do. I mean he's fired people in the and that organization that have I've been in there since when Davis was Roman the sidelines and John was able to fire. John has all the authority in the building so for him to say we'll. We'll see how it works out like that. That's classic John. He doesn't WANNA take any accountability for it and he gets and he's been getting away with it for. I mean I'm the only I'm probably the the only person who calls him out on it. You know I always call it because he he he'll never tell you the truth. You never get the whole story I I. Don't you know I just would how he handled. This really would bother me. It just would really bother me. It's something lack pitas say go back to the MAC thing. The Mac thing was similar he never. He said he never talked back. Yeah I mean you just the Oakland no not for me. I mean he said the rules. You just got the head coaching job at the Oakland Raiders. I mean the number one thing you should lose your talk to every star player on your team. You know and I and I will say this. If you go back and read my athletic column last year. I defended him. I defended the trade because I thought okay and I and I wrote it. At the time I said I know Jon Gruden. I think this is what he's going to do but for right now defend that he wants wants to maybe he wants to take the Patriot approach of not paying one person twenty million other than the quarterback and having a bunch of depth on the team but if he goes out and signs a receiver then and all bets are off and what did he do. He Traded Amari Cooper and he signs a receiver so all bets off basically signed two receivers think if if you think about it you know 'cause they. They paid money to to Williams too. You know and to tyrel. What do you think thank when when Antonio Brown walked in the building on Monday. What do you think bill said to him when he met with our think he called him in his office and he said Look you. You know that this is the way we operate in this building. It's completely different than any other building. Here's how you're expected. Here's what you're accountable for. You know we're going to do everything in our power to make you the best player you can be for our football team and help us win but nothing comes before the team. Nothing comes the we define. Mental toughness is is doing what's right for the team when it might not be right for you and so you know you can do what you WanNa do. Brady has an instagram account. Brady has a fate but but the but the Patriots Richards aren't involved in net stuff. You do your thing you know but we don't have phones in meetings. You come to practice you work hard. You do your job. You'll be attentive if you put the team I that's it read the sign on the way in the door. What is it well. The sign on the way in the door is do do your job put the team. I be attentive. Speak for yourself. It's pretty simple. Those are the four rules in the building. They're the only four roles in the building and Bella checks job is to is to make sure that those rules are upheld so nobody sp.. That's why REX burkhead isn't GonNa talk about Antonio Brown. 'cause there's a sign that walks in the door. Speak for yourself. Yeah I mean they dominated the pitchers thirty three to three and they were talking to their locker room. The players were talking about in the locker about how how they after improve yeah. That's the culture money created. I talked to Brady after the game aim for I don't know six seven minutes not long and and he was very very clear you know if I if if you know because I tried to direct the conversation to man this this works you guys are going to be pretty good and you know that kind of stuff and and he kept tipped saying he said it. Maybe two or three different times that we just have to get to work the only thing in two thousand seven. Randy Andy came in here and the only thing really that matter it is we worked hard. Everybody worked at Randy worked hard and he said so we have so much to do and he kept going on that track and so you can just tell he's bill belichick's quarterback. There's no doubt the two of them and he allows US Jeff Van Gundy eloquently. I said before he's a Jeff Van. Gundy says your best player must set the tone of intolerance that anything that's in the way of winning and that's what he does. He's is going to force everybody to be on the same page and Antonio Brown's GonNa go in there and he's going to be treated just like the sixty third guy on the practice squad. You know he's going to have to work in. They're gonNA teach them how to play now. Here's where I think. This is really important to understand. How affects their team without Gronk Brady loves three receivers inside he had gronk he had James White and he had Adam he loses gronk and he doesn't have anybody to replace Crock. He doesn't have a tighter now. Maybe when Watson comes back Watson could assume that role after week four but for right now Antonio Brown element and James White Slash Sunny Michelle those three guys can dominate the middle of the field which then leaves Josh Gordon on the outside and Philip Dorset on the outside and Brady wants to throw the ball inside. That's where he wants to throw the ball and those guys inside. It's hard to double. It's hard to play. They won robber one rat. It's hard to play those coverages that try to take away the Millfield because Y- you can't take all three guys away. What are the odds that whenever the Patriots last game of this season is what are the odds that Antonio Brown is on the roster for that a game. You know I would say look. I think this and this is what I wrote. A fear does the work of reason I think if he's not on the roster at the end of the a year and he can't make it there you know I think it's GonNa be a tough pill for his career a lot of Tony Dungy for on NBC went rip the move he you know he said it was horrible. These mad at craft for letting it happen now. You know I mean look that you can get mad at it but Antonio Brown's behaviour behavior. I thought was was horrendous when he was in Oakland. There's no doubt but I mean tyreek. Hill is playing a Kansas City and I'm not sure his behavior is is is I know his his behavior in college was was ten times worse than this behavior. Yeah I don't know I there's some about this Mike. I don't know how you feel. There's some about this. That just stinks the whole thing you know. The guy shot his way out of town and got rewarded with a ten million dollar contract contract or whatever the money is. I don't know whatever it is to play for the best team in recent history and maybe the best team in history. It's just there's something about it stinks. Thanks Seattle was right. They're GONNA pay him. I mean there was other. I mean I think the list of people we're going to pay them. The redskins would gladly pay them except the problem was they couldn't even get some. They couldn't get to Bat Seattle would have paid them too. I mean there was a there wasn't a big market but don't kid yourself. There was a market and you know. I'm not saying you're wrong Peter. I think what he did in Oakland was was despicable but I think you knew going in. You knew going in that there. There was gonNA be some issues. You knew what Bruce Arians said about him before you got him who was in Pittsburgh. If you called Mike Montek the line coach at Denver. You would have gotten his opinion so you know you had to manage the situation. Mike I'll just ask you one other thing about at the events of the week in the NFL as somebody who not very recently but recently was the general manager of the Cleveland Browns. Tell me in a nutshell whether you are surprised at what happened in week one to Cleveland and what you think this season holds for Cleveland. Why wasn't surprised at all. I fact I've written it. I've said it on the podcast on. GM shuffle that you have to good before you get great the NFL's humbling league thank you just don't become great and when you only have had let's say thirteen games as a starting quarterback in the NFL. People don't really have a read on your yet. I mean remember Colin. Kaepernick was awful good as a rookie right and then as the years went on he wasn't as effective forget the social issues in the politics. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about his play on the field and so you have to handle people differently so Baker Mayfield last year was incredible. Got Out of the pocket. He was accurate he he made a ton of place but defensive coordinators smart especially guys like Dean Peace have been around the League along time they rush you differently. How you react to that. Russia's different your team. Just this can't turn it off and on Antonio. You know they can't just become great. Odell Beckham said you know we're going to be like the Patriots and then the next day he left. Oh Ta Days He's wearing a watch on the field they have they set the record for penalties. There's no discipline you know so you could just tell that they're reading the press clippings and I said this all along. I call them the Virgil Solazzo of the NFL they went from being. Nobody really worried about them to the hunted one yeah yeah and once you yeah once you become the hunk of it's very difficult. It look look at poor virgil yeah. The one thing that bothered me coming into this year is that they had two guys on their roster who had experience playing football in January Marie other than just a cameo dimitrius Harris the tight end and Morgan Burnett the safety other than that the fifty three guys the fifty one guys on the final roster basically had no idea of how to handle success because they never really had success you team success. I mean Odell had the success but not team but not you know deep into January team success and and I just think when the NFL L. basically as a plan says okay look the Cleveland browns are going to be the darlings of two thousand nineteen because they've they've turned it around. We're putting on on Monday night football in week two were putting them on Sunday night football at home in week three and we're putting them in Monday night football in week five no team in the first month of the season is as famous and as exposed not even the Patriots as the Cleveland Oakland Browns and so how are they going to handle that and not and not only how are they. GonNa handle it but by the way how's the offensive line line. GonNa be you know after trading Zeitler and again it isn't to say that. I don't think that they are an improved team. They obviously are an improved team but there's a lot of other stuff other than what happens for three hours on Sunday afternoon and I think that's one of the things. The browns are finding out now. No Oh down. I mean they offensive line was always a concern was a concern for me all summer. I think the secondary is a concern. I mean look dens. Awards struggled to tackle last week that was really bad that was problematic and and last year you know he made all rookie all that but should they resign team now. They're playing man to man. Can they hold up in the defensive front. Look like once it got tired wants to Libya Vernon and once once Garrett got tired then we saw Tennessee moved the football to me they're defensive front can be dominant but if they're not in great shape and they get tired in the third or fourth quarter then every quarterback becomes good look at Carla Marie this week he couldn't play for three quarters dead. Detroit's defense was exhausted and all of the sudden he came back and he looked really good so I think I've said this. I said this Freddie Kitchens has got the hardest job in the NFL because they got expectations yeah and they don't even they think they're working hard and they don't even it reminds me of a time when I was at the Patriots and we were practising against the redskins down in Richmond and heart g three watches US watches the team the team on its own run gases and rg three says to his buddy and I'm standing right there man. They're like some Catholic team. They really get after and then he he walked right off the field. That's really good well my thanks to Michael Lombardi for giving us some time and his knowledge. There aren't a lot of people who know exactly what goes on in the land of Bellichik Mike Lombardi does and I just think this is going to be a really really interesting chemistry chemistry experiment with Antonio Brown my opinion sixty sixty five thirty five they Antonio Brown works and that the New England patriots get something good out of him and he will last the season a couple of recommendations. Chris Simms unbuttoned podcast. He's got three podcasts every week. Basically he has a reaction Monday Sunday a deep dive film Wednesday and he makes his picks every Friday. Listen to Chris Simms. I guarantee you that that you'll not only be educated about the NFL. You'll sometimes be infuriated about his opinions but that's what makes good podcasting also Mike Florio's podcast up this week. He's got Jamal. Adams of the New York jets listened to Mike Mike's podcast as as well now. Let's go over to our next guest. David Bark theory may the NFL's all pro team in two thousand was in eighteen in the midst of a firestorm of the season for green. Bay Area played very well. I caught up with him on my training camp trip to Green Bay. Let's talk for a minute about the coaching change between a from Mike McCarthy to Matt Leflore or you know obviously whatever you felt about Mike McCarthy and he ad is major fans in this locker room obviously but I I always think think that once a coach who's been here for been there for a long time. It's changed that it isn't just about the scheme or anything. It's about a just a major change. Everything is different. So what has the change been like for this team and what's the change been like particularly for the players. I mean I think I you talk even just a pure aesthetics when we had this new coach come in the wall. That painting like the color on the walls has changed. Everything's everything's kind of brighter in the hallways add more steel just kind of make it look more sleek in sharpen right away not as metal thing. Was You know we're GONNA. We're not gonNA forget our past. We're going to honor our past but we're GONNA make our own future. We we're not gonNA live in the past and we want to you know this is the twenty nineteen packers and we're going to be moving forward so that was wrath a bat something. I can say it was a big change and you know I mean like did a great job. That's obviously why he was here for so long but I mean this is the nature of the business. You know players coaches. GM does you can you know. Have you seen the past they come and go and I'm excited. I think Matt's done a good job. He's growing as first time being a head coach every day. You can see him getting more comfortable and understanding you know how to balance everything out and from what I can see and the little exposure that we've had so far. I've been very pleased really David. It was so the environment on the outside of the locker room last year seemed so toxic you know that Oh my God it's it's dysfunctional functional in their Rogers MacArthur at each other's throats and and all that what was it you know this kind of general question. How how did you react when you saw and heard some of those things and what truly was it like in that locker room last year so that's the part that I find. That's funny 'cause if there was a big rift that's happening behind closed doors after hours and I think you you know you being around football so long. There are so many things going on even when a quarterback gets injured in the middle of a game you know when Aaron goes down. I don't even know we have a backup until I'm jogging out. There and I see a different. There's a different Jersey lineup before so hold on a second last year opening game against the Chicago bears. I didn't even know got car. I didn't know any of that. I'm 'cause I'm over there. Going six six we get pushed all the over in the far benches and then you know there will go over a couple cutoffs protections and stuff and I'm kind of just you know in my zone in my element and at some point I guess there's Times where they grab the center real quick or core. He gets up to grab water. I don't know if it's a difference of revenue arteries. Take snaps the next quarterback so you know when when that happens you just things are happening so fast and you have to be so focused on your job. I've always believed you've got to control you can control so I'm not over the worrying about someone else's job and responsibility when things like that happen you come back to with Aaron and Mike. It's it. It wasn't as oblivious now. Were there times that they disagreed yet. They'd they'd worked there for a long time. Of course they have the be truly comfortable. There's like hey you know. I want this instead out of that. Now I want to do this instead of that in the meetings and they have they have those conversations in front of us to be malicious uncomfortable broken up disconnect. I didn't and now he never saw with David Barbaria the packers David for those who are going to watch the packers this year. You basically ran a semblance of the same offense for a long time in this organization long before you got here and I wonder what in your mind when people watch the packers this year. What will they notice. That's a little bit different about your offense. I've gotten on this question a few times. It's I think a balance and misdirection. There's often is built off of misdirection of having same formations. Same motions and you have four different plays. Three different plays going different ways off of that one action. I mean a lot of balance. We marry pretty much. Our runs are going to be our play action pass. Nothing's GonNa look different so that's what's tough and I know teams that have played this our even our team before La- last year they played this offense obviously 'cause we played the rams. I even was talking to Clay Claes. Big thing is it's tough to tee off when your folks on so many different things happening because the same formation the same oceans could be four different things like plus. It's a it's a tempo offense to they wanted to go fast. Yes they WANNA stretch the field they truly honor zone own whenever and talks about zone zone zone at the end of that you have inside. Sony about said don't very vanilla when people talk by that but the foundation and what the emphasis you you put on it is what really makes it different so I I can confidently say. This zone is completely different because we ran zone last year old enough for the last six years but if you were to say are they the same note completely different based off the just the foundation in the mindset. That's much I can give you that. Get in too much. I I don't WanNa give me schematically trouble David. I want to ask you this because I asked it's I I come here. You know I'm GonNa. Watch one practice and I saw it and I don't. I don't really know obviously what you guys are doing but this thought occurred to me coming in here you know Aaron. Rodgers has been on this team for fourteen fourteen years coming into this training camp so he's gotten used to doing things a certain way and it's worked pretty well for him. If he never played another snap he's GonNa walk into the pro football hall of fame one day so the last thing you WanNa do if you're a new coach and a new staff coming in the last thing you WanNa do is just say hey by the way okay. I know you've been speaking French for the last fourteen years but now we're going to speak Russian and you can't speak French anymore and so you don't you don't say that you say okay. We're going to do this but you also have to. Use Your head and so I asked Matt Leflore this before a practice today and I said is there a play that sort of illustrates something that you never saw coming but that Aaron Aaron called like in a practice so far this year and you say we'll wait a minute. What's that and then you figure it out and you say oh and that that was good and he said I get a perfect one good for you. We're having a family night scrimmage and there's a run called like I guess an inside run was called an Aaron. He said we hid not even practiced. We have not put in exactly how we would change something like that. Aaron changed it and he did it. You know even no we don't have it down in our playbook it we haven't we haven't really worked on that yet and Aaron changed it and the other ten guys on the field all got it and then we ran a play that he's and he didn't know exactly what happened the play but it was successful instead of banging our heads against the wall and just running the play see that that we called D. recall the play. I remember exactly where it was move. The ball we went right down. It was actually the last play of we are on their goal line. Yeah that truly go back to the what makes them so special which people trying to analyze and breakdown for the six years going on my seventh year of working with them physically all has all the intangibles but his mental aptitude of the game in just shear knowledge in recall. It's it's stupid. He is like a computer. You tell them you show him. One time. He'll remember the rest of his life. He'll remember going out the all the adjustments it's it for for me. You know it took me a couple weeks understand this playbook and I'm still trying to get to the point of mastering obviously because that's what makes you a better football player you think less to worry more about your own techniques and playing the game. I mean it probably took him. I would say probably a couple of days like he doesn't fumble over formations nations. You know he's already utilizing cadences. He knows how to check out of certain plays and just like you said right there. He knows going up inside zone. The defense is presenting a a front. That's obviously counterintuitive to inside zone. So what do you think you would add a loss on that play. I don't think it would be nearly as successful as an outside zone obviously but it's so you run the ball to the outside in the play succeeds exactly eight hundred and at the end of the day you know you gotTa beat the man across when you put your players in good positions more times than not. You're going to be more successful. was there anybody on the field right then to your knowledge who wouldn't have been on the team last year and wouldn't know what he was trying to change too because Matt Leflore was so impressed that he got all ten guys on the same page aging a matter of seconds yeah no but what I'm saying is we're all. A- All ten guys on the team last year who are on the right now. Yeah no no I mean we just signed a new guard yeah so obviously he's new to the game but it's it's. It's fairly impressive though that he was able to communicate however he did that he wanted to change that play to something you guys had not installed in it just again that just puts the emphasis in goes to the point that his just knowledge of of football is so vast and it's what makes them special obviously physically. He's got all the town but mentally he steps head. I even even go back to in our old regime when we would do you know no huddle. He's got sign-language entirely different when she got signed finally which were wide receivers. He's got Simon which for offense lend that's two languages and then on top of that he's got third sign language to communicate with us for road games on our CADENCE cadence. We have like like eight ten different canes so you can do all that really defensive coverage and then put an obsession. If you need to check play like it's those little things that people don't notice because they just see him going up there. A couple of signals take the ball and throw it to the open guy sounds very simple various Manila but just the little nuances that the guys who actually work work with him see how much he really has to work with me. It's like a it's like a composer who's just a genius and he's got every single one one of his the people I in his what would it be and his orchestra and his orchestra on the same page and you write notes at the right time. It's that's what makes it so beautiful poetic. I have a I have a question about that and I'm I because when you were saying that I'll tell you what I I was thinking for a long time. I coached girls travel softball team ten and under girls and we had a real funny system of signs. I would tell them if I call out an American city or state that begins with a B. or C. Your sacrifice bunting and if I call out an American city the begins with D E or f you're stealing okay so I would just call out you know if I ever called it okay. Hey Hey Rebecca Houston Houston and they would know okay. We're not doing anything but if I said Boston Boston they would know okay. We're bunting and and it's it's not and there are nine year old kids and they got a kick out of it. It was fun for them and I've often thought that some of the weird things like Peyton manning is described some of his signals that he could change every week depending on if there was somebody on that defense who had been on the colts or the the broncos before okay hey we're changing our audibles and here's the activation if I say this that this play is on and everything and honestly. I don't really think it's that that hard. I think if you know exactly what the the the sort of the system is and all that. I don't think it's that hard but but what surprises me about what you're saying is that he's got a different one for all all the position groups you know he's got different words and you get. I mean it'd be hard for me to keep ver- for me to keep that straight yeah my head so the way of looking at it. I don't know how many routes that you have to do on the road but instead of bring him in the huddle in wasting their energy keep their signal whatever you have to and obviously there's fake signals and then once he does something debate. The signals from here are not like you're saying yes states. It's that aren't in past. F Don't mean anything so he's got signals and once he hits a certain one that means everything from here on out to live and then that's that's one language things at our language and then he's got the snap count language reading the defense is just that you know you truly gotta appreciate it because you never never know when the next that is gonNA come around because it doesn't happen very often so to be in to be around in no the micro details. It's pretty cool. The I gotTa say finishing of David Bark diary so I wonder I I've asked a lot of linemen this question. Shen especially over the recent years you know I have been sort of watching how the spread offense. It's coming in from college to the NFL has really made it difficult to scout offensive linemen and so so the Baltimore Ravens had this really interesting theory and that is that we're not going to draft at least high any spread Brad Offensive Lineman. We're going to go more to big ten type guys because a lot of those linemen really are more you know they're. They're probably going to run it a lot. There are a little bit more traditional old style pro style the Iowa linemen men over the years and and I wonder now when you watch the game and when you especially watch the college game. Can you tell when a guy is going to have a really difficult time making the adjustment from college to pro football and sort of conforming to the stuff without the really wide wide splits that they have a lot of college programs I think when when I watch college football when I see the players the first thing I look at when it comes to Lyman Lyman is their feet if you if you you ain't got the feet to keep up with people that's I mean these guys at this level. Everybody's an athlete and you see it in the combine off so you see the greats they their ability to move laterally and obviously they have the strength to go down the middle. You that's the number one thing the second thing. If you can't pass aspect this league no one's going to trust you and especially depending on what he specially when you have a franchise quarterback I mean that's the one thing I've noticed even switching positions when we have running backs coming in if you can't pass protecting no where the line's going in no who you have. They're not gonNA put you out there because they're we're not. GonNa Trust you and that right. There are limits to your reps and that's I think that's a big thing sending these running backs in college or aren't getting fully exposed to understanding pass protection schemes games and it's a big thing when it comes to the pros so obviously when when I see spread offenses and go back to linemen it's I I look at feet in your ability you to mirror guy. I mean I believe rumblings in attitude. You got to want to run block. You've got to be able to attack a guy you you can see some true molars the Iowa the Bryant bulldogs of the world right. I didn't murder Janda the I'd I'd I'd. It wasn't a big ten guy but for me I feel run. Blocking is purely a mindset if you if you're going into your new rate smashed heads. It's you're going to be a good room locker yeah. I'm going to just ask you one last question. This is something that I I've always I've always thought that when you play football and over the years you've seen that some people have a difficult time to adjust to Monday Tuesday Wednesday life during during the season of a football player because on Sunday you're supposed to be very physical and very angry and everything and I wonder have you ever had difficulty with that side of your life knowing that for three hours every week in the fall you have to try to kick the living crap out of the guy across from you and then for the rest of the week you have to be a gentleman and open door opened doors for people will be nice and all that has that ever been remotely to you a challenge no. I think I got a good switch. I know WANNA turn on turn off. The Nice thing is I my my teammates. I get pretty weird when it comes to Game Day like I'm all smiles but I get turned into kind of a different guy. You can kind of see it in my I but I I look at it as a way to like. They're going to pay me to go out. There and physically go dominated another person. It's another man on the line of scrimmage and that's empowering when you can do that when you can physically impose your will and it also is a great stress. Reliever 'cause then when I come home. I mean I'm happy as can be. I let it all my my stress. Lasting I WANNA do is get in to anything like I just want to sit down. We'll be on the couch. I would say the only thing that is tough. Is your professional at least for me. I love to compete and I find I find a way to make anything of competition because like putting skin the I'm like making it worth. Let's let's let's. I don't want to do fifty or seventy percent. Let's go one hundred percents. I'm so my buddies WHO's Pacman. You're always he's just like relax. It's just it doesn't mean if we're going to do this. Let's go all the way and if we're not then I'll just there's there is no in between it's. There's no gray area. We're we're black or white from me. So where are you most competitive other other than football like. Is there a game. I mean is there. Is there is there. Is there another sport sport. I mean you Golfer. What what's your what is your other outlet competitive outlet or. What are your other? I mean I I. I love doing any really any sports sports so I just got bad a golf so that's good I'm and I get mad at myself. That's more of a you know. There's no one else I can really get there. It's me and the against the course I got. I gotTa beat the course but outside of sports really for me. It's you know boardgames. It's very competitive. Him Strategy Borgen's me and my buddies from the hometown. We always play a guitar growing up and we'll be still played today. Monopoly still very big. What's your all those games. What is your thing in monopoly. What do you like to be at all then. There's that thing in cold the peace if I'm going the old school monopoly I kinda like the car the car that or there's what about the Iron Thumb Tack Right Thumb Tack lack of I've always kind of been have you ever. Have you ever been the iron. Have you seen that I'm not fat. It's too small. It's I I guess if it was bigger than the actual hand like really grabbed alleged. It's too lightly. What's your favorite property in monopoly. ooh. That's a great question. Thank you all right. That's why they painted them. I would say it really depends on how much money you have given point. I think people what people do is they get to concentrated on stated on the big property so Ollie's ace and then nobody ever lands I got the Blues Greens yellows a for me. It depends on much money. I have I I would say at the end the day a best bang for your buck is the Yellow Greens but if you don't have now I like I like the reds oranges because the the oranges are great because you land on New York in Tennessee and you know how if you land on let's say the Greens and they have like three houses. Sometimes people can't afford that. I Want my money so when people land on it they can't say well I'm out. I can't afford to pay now. I want want cash so if you land on the I think the hotel's until I was gonNA say eight fifty or nine hundred fifty the last one thousand yeah I'm super monopoly. I just play it all the time monopoly nerd or a little bit. I can't so there's different or you stupidly competitive competitive and do you yell during monopoly you know again. I think I'm really good my emotion so deep down. I'll be mad because I really think I should win every time just because that's the competitive nature myself but I think I have a good job like hey at the dates just a board game yeah no did you ever in crush. Aaron Rodgers and monopoly now but he's that's really honestly one of the few people I can say is more competitive with me yeah he any have you played a board game against Aaron Rodgers in your life how we played cards. I can't remember if I taught him Catan or not. I know we haven't played monopoly but I will say so. There's this card game him called Pedro which is a two onto my parents Tommy grown up. It's competitive cardio. I told him once and we played in. He's doing str- strategy strategy wise getting the points where it took again. This is the same thing with the playbook what take what took me a couple of weeks to a couple of months to figure out for a second time playing. He's like doing mood's much. He's doing veteran. Who's your truly impressive. How quickey pick something up and like he can. He knows a strategy like a of one points in one one point. He knows he can't get the five anyways. It's almost good to sacrifice which people don't do sacrifice your five so you can at least take one point that he still has any other person points making too so it's only giving up three instead of you know what my new goal in life is. I want to kick your ass monopoly. I WanNa beat you so that you were rolling around on the ground whimpering and asking for mercy. Would you ever play me in monopoly absolutely but I don't think that you would kick my ass. I don't think that's the veterans I think my my biggest. My best trait is definitely when it comes the trading. I kind of know how to like. I said people get they kind of get amped up on the properties. They forget railroads a pretty good. Railroads are excellent very what you want to get all four. You're exactly we really want to getting. It's almost better to never pay for one but then you get yeah because you're you're talking two hundred eight. She got four minutes eight hundred bucks the one the one last thing I think I've I've always thought that Baltic and Mediterranean really underrated extremely light because you're taking you're taking on exactly love that. I'm a big fan of them. I needs yes all right. Listen okay so. You're not a bad guy. You agree with me all right David Bacteria. Thanks so much this. This was fun. I far more enjoyed our board game discussion than our football discussion but both were pretty good. Thanks for sure thank you well my thanks to David Bark dairy and also Michael Lombardi really informative interesting podcast and I may have gotten a little too bold with Bach the area but it I am going to play him in monopoly and you will hear it first the results of that game right here on the Peter King podcast I mean at least I hope all end up playing him and thank you very much for joining me on the Peter King podcast and remember every Monday morning. You can hear my my fm a mini pod. It's about a twelve to fifteen minute podcast in which I tell you what I've got in football morning in America that week I mean you can always just get up at five fifteen and read ten thousand words or you can get a sneak preview of the column from me including me reading reading part of my column to you and that is a scintillating listen. I have to tell you especially with a voice that is going to be a little bit scratchy. 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Former NFL GM Mike Lombardi + NFL Week 3 Recap And Tiger Is Back

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Former NFL GM Mike Lombardi + NFL Week 3 Recap And Tiger Is Back

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The turnovers were off the menu at this bakery, hey, Cleveland, no more blue balls this Nick chubby is for real Brown's, Twenty-one jet. Seventeen. This recap was brought to you by Bud Light in the Bud Light victory fridges sponsored by Bud Light. White Cup Crabtree I take. I got something to say to you. It's late September and the ravens took Denver Pat to scoot little Rod Stewart from the form. I love when you do that. Sean fellow Lindsay Lohan had issues with authority as he couldn't resist a crack and got caught on camera with a crotch shot of his own suitcase game. Couldn't carpet bags way into the end zone as the ravens pack on the right side of the win column twenty seven fourteen. The Buffalo Bills were sixteen and a half point underdogs in Minnesota Sunday. There's a way they could. You're telling me, well folks, that's why they play the games. We start in the first half where Josh Allen wrench showed that he's a five tool player passing running jumping diving and recovering his own fumbles and the Vikings were the ones getting screwed. Kirk cousins never closes his eyes anymore. When you kiss his lips, Minnesota, because he's lost that loving dealing all that loving feeling. He's lost loving feeling and likings NFC. North lead has gone. Gone. Gone, teach Yabu no one circles. The wagons like the Buffalo Bills. We had to head or Patrick starfish. Mahomes said sports bowl is easy as in the chase, continued to dine at the crusty crab on the other side line, Tom bucket menu didn't have many catches of the day, but one price spot remains towards kill caboodle, which sums up to forty Niners performance yesterday a whole message, talk food. The Kool aid man is walking through that door. As Andy Reid has three, you know, without thirty eight to twenty seven one, hey, boom, yet teach. They see that age is just a number, and I gotta say that that was a great reference. The Patrick starfish Mahomes tax little some for the millennials out there with their cartoons in hotlanta where a paddle for the NFC south broke out and Calvin Ridley miss written movie in hotlanta where a battle for the NFC south broke out and Calvin Ridley me this Ridley that ask Steve Circasian get a wide receiver. Stats. The answer is yes, with a Sates went score for score as tastes king of the hill, put his foot on the gas, so appropriate appropriate, excessive. He's all up in the falcons Tevin Coleman. Grill, Alvin comma commerce sutra was doing it for multiple positions. So well, you gene Robinson tried to pay him for sex the night before the gate, the saints flip the falcons, the dirty birds as drew breezes Christ's. That's not a Perth Mark. That's just a sign of stigmata on my cheek saints. Go marching forty three, thirty seven. To row, John, Maryland, aka the slippy tundra as the green day Packers are saying, wake me up when September ends. The story of the game was clay. Travis Mathews getting triggered online and leaving all sons of Wisconsin, scratching their heads like they had lice on the seat warmers on your car Mike McCarthy, or is that just a wet fort Redskins thirty one Packer suffocate. In the Pacific northwest 'have on was Austin and translation as the Cowboys offense could in us to sputter, Chris carcinogen was running with lead paint and his belly and cigarettes spoke coming out of his ass. Might Israel Thomas made a list of everyone that has wronged him in his quest to hit the contract lottery Seahawks back on track twenty four, thirteen. The battle of Los Angeles took place at the Coliseum Sunway and I'll testify that the Rams are one of the best teams in the NFL. Robert Tiger Woods is back as the Rams offense is fucking everything in sight, Todd, Larry, girly and moat made Anthony. Lynn can wasn't hunt and Gus proudly look like a three stooges. With a win Sean McVeigh earns the right to be had coach. Most LA fans will pretend to care about until link or season starts ram, thirty five, the Los Angeles football tortures. Twenty-three, beautiful powder, blues favorite jerseys. Let the swampy the first to wish Josh Rosen Tariq. Oh, and a late happy new year as the Red Sea parted just enough in good. It's funny because he's a, I. Okay. Let us wom be the first to wish Josh Rosen and Tarik Cohen a late. UPI new year as the Red Sea parted just enough in Glendale to let matinees people go for a comeback win sim. Bradford sleeves are better fit than he is. As far as the offense goes. If Josh Rosen, really love football, maybe he wouldn't let the bears defense taken away from it so much the bears are. Now you're and see Norse, division leaders sixteen fourteen. All right. I think that's all the games. That's all we all teams and let me say that was a wild and crazy week three. Now we're going to get tiger suitor so don't worry Tigers obviously a big story. But week three NFL it was the everyone is a fucking idiot and has shit for brains week because all the teams that we have decided are dead are alive. Again, I think we can actually do the parody clock right now. Yeah, every team beats ever team, not that the Browns won because Browns beat the jets who beat the lions who beat the patriot, right? If so, facto the Browns are better than the patriots is the the bills go into the Vikings. Well, in the middle of Wisconsin, a great graphic, the bills tweeted out there. They didn't know where where Minnesota was classic misdirection, yes. So they go into Minnesota as sixteen and a half seventeen point underdogs they win outright and kick the shit out of. Vike absolute shit kick shit pumping. I would say the game. You forgot existed because red zone didn't show it for the last three quarter. Yeah, they showed in the first quarter when they're like two fumbles two touchdowns and field goal. Like in the first five, six minutes, Josh Allen sick, jumping over people, say Josh Allen better, running quarterback, Cam Newton? Yeah, that that that was one of those hurdles like he definitely went to the sideline and Shaw was like, hey, that was awesome. Don't ever fucking do that. Again. It was pretty sweet though because there was a you could take a still of his mid air leap, and there's a split second where his testicles are just restaurant ping on was Anthony bars head. Yeah, they're just like nice nicely nestled on the crown of his home at perfect recap of the gate helmet to helmet hit. Actually, yes. Could've been could've been flagged for lowering your helmets initiate contact? Yes, there it is. So we had that one. We had the cardinals being frisky. We had the giants going down to Texan to Texas, not. They stayed in Texas eight in Texas beating the Texans. Pretty handily. So now the question is you're done chain are done chain, put it on the Texans, their own three to Shawn. Watson looks lost. Mike. Lombardi, who we have on coming up in a minute, pointed it out that it seems like every time the Texas have the ball. They start at like I and fifteen or second twenty. I am going to hang the done chain on the Houston. Texans done done. I'm done with men. It's not when next. Here's the thing. Yeah. Hung the Seahawks the cardinals and the Bill. Can you look up the Texans or playing next week, master? Doesn't matter. The done chain is on them. I didn't think that Shawn Watson was going to have a great year this year because like eight Peterson, screwed it up for everybody by coming back from that ACL. So quickly like to Sean will be fine. This year. It's been eight months since he towards ACL. It's going to be like a year and a half before he gets back to. The colts in Indianapolis doesn't matter for DC, Frank Reich with a condom on his mouth piece today on radio set, safe, play calling. But the real story from the colts game. So they're the colts are frisky they're gonna put in my, I'm putting my frisky category. It's good teams, bad teams, frisky teams there in the frisky team category. But did you notice at the end of the game when the colts wanted to go hail, Mary, they brought in Jacoby brisket Andrew luck shoulder. Well, maybe not as healthy and also Andrew luck his Nathan so hail Mary, not a great play call tarot same thing, Josh Rosen. They should've taken him out and just have like a Catholic that's on the bench for. Let's talk about that real quick, Josh Rosen, that was the meanest thing that any coaches ever done to his place. So the bears, really. I mean, the the bears basically slip walk the first quarter and it looked like they were gonna lose. Their defense is awesome, and they come back. They go up to with like two and a half minutes left. And then and then see walks is like, you know what? Let's throw in the the rookie quarterback. Totally, no pressure situa-. Nation has to go eighty yards against a great pass, rush for his first NFL action. Oh, oops. Eat through an intercept. Yeah, that was that was really fucked up of him to very well. We're watching it. I was like, this is really just a mean guys. He must hate well, it's a test, like Josh Rosen, actually actually football because if you do love it, then you'll love getting the shit kicked out of you for forty yards before you throw an interception. Yes, they should do. They should have David car just on the bench, ready to come in in a situation where coach knows that their quarterback, it's going to get hit a million times. He's like the crash test. Yes, just put them out there Jimmy g. probably out for the year. That sucks because there's definitely in elements of you don't want Google, like how in years when he looked back like, all right, it was a good NFL year was where the games fun. You can directly correlate to how many quarterbacks got injured and when quarterbacks like Jimmy g. gets get gets injured. We now have probably a Monday night football game. Probably couple Sunday night football games with CJ. Beth hard? Yeah. Well, that's probably what they're gonna do. That's terrible. When I, when I saw like, okay, Beth RDS or backup, or are they going to go out and get somebody it just I think John Lynch is going to be like we trust our guy, the guy, and he's he's been in training camp with us. Everybody on the team likes him even though he stinks out loud. So. Goes out there, you know is out there in the same division. They probably never trade in division Glennon. Yeah, you answer Sam Bradford for one St. for both of them tell you what we'll give you third first round pick if you throw Glennon into the equation force and will pay him both fifteen million dollars a year. No, it's absolutely going to like, I think they'll go through some struggles about then they'll make their decision, but what they should do is they got and get quarterback right now, like tyrod Taylor is probably going to be out there and we can talk about that a little bit because we didn't get a chance to recap the Browns jets game after Thursday night. Oh my God. What are you. Looking at the forty Niners schedule right now. You wanna walk us through it. They have one, two, three, four, five, five primetime games coming Jesus. Christ CJ Beth art is going to be a household. Listen. We need to guess. Back there. We need to get another guy in their stat. They have five. They have five prime time games in seven weeks, like, all right. So everyone who's listening right now, sit down, close your eyes and just be like, hey, listen, we're gonna have to. We're going to have to get up close and personal CJ better. We're going to have to spend a lot of time with them. It's basically like going to your to your family reunion and in the crazy ants going to be there like, all right, we're going to have to talk to her. It's fine. Just like I don't know what I'm doing with my life, whatever this is what our relationship with CJ Beth are going to be. We're going to see him five times in the next seven. We in seven weeks, just get used to it and grin Barrett, put on a smile. Hey, it's we're gonna, do gonna do. It's like looking at an upcoming wedding season and your calendars filled with a bunch of weddings of people that you don't necessarily want to go to, but you're like, you know what this is doing summer is so how to do it. We're gonna put on a happy face and we're going to say nothing but nice things about CJ when he's around. Yup. Hey, CJ your beard actually looks really cool and not at all. Like burnt out dead fan. Yeah, you went to Isla, so that's. That's cool. Yeah, probably ate a lot of red meat while you're there. So yes, Bob Sanders. Yeah, you went, that's yeah, he was a house, get hurt a lot. Yes, he lost the Wisconsin probably. Yeah. We have a lot and calms easy. So is Jimmy rounders. He just what's going on with them. So the other story of that game, Patrick Mahomes continues to be the most electric player in the NFL he is. I think he's going to be the first player ever in his rookie year to win MVP and automatic induction to the hall fan. Yes and rookie of the year timber because he really don't even think they'll give them the, you know what? Let's just give him MVP. He's so damn. Good. Oh, he gets the Ben Simmons rookie as a second year guy that everyone forgot was not a racist credible in and plays he's making. I don't know if this is going to last because I feel like this is. I don't want to say anything mean about any read, but we all know that Andy, he, he takes sharp dip after Halloween, quick side tangent. He goes into states to diabetes, ever comes back quick side tangent, fourth quarter. The bears are down one. They need to feel goal and its fourth and one and matinee. He takes time out before the before. He decides to kick the field yet go for it. That is the most Andy Reid, coaching tree move of all time. What is this? What is this time out doing in my pocket? Let's get rid of it. It's going to be a close game. I don't want this. You have to think about it. That's all you have to Patrick Mahomes at some point they're going to have to come back down to earth because they're playing it such an insane level. And Andy receiving this Andy Reid, you know, started the season on fire, but we even with that said, even if he comes back a little bit, like if he plays seventy five percent, what he's playing right now, he's still like the most electric quarterback in the NFL. Yeah. I mean, I hate to keep tying things back to with Andy Reid, but you know how your stomach gets full and your brain doesn't realize it until like fifteen minutes after you've kepting. Lap, yeah, yeah, exactly. So Andy Reid is like he he burned through his playbook so fast. He's a his great, great, great. Not realizing about to use up all my good plus sixteen week, sixteen weeks. So he's gonna things are going to come back to earth and pretty sure, but it's still it's mind boggling to me that Alex Smith played in the same system as Patrick Mahomes and didn't throw a touchdown to a single wide receiver. Well, it's it's similar, but no, they're playing. They're throwing a deep. They're throwing like Alex, Alex bits, deep laster. Yeah, but every time the everytime you watch chiefs game, there's there's guys open all over the place in in Patrick Mahomes arm very much different than now Smith's arm there. Clearly playing two strikes going deep like this, and they also have tire. Tyreek hill is a top three wide receiver in the NFL. Yeah, he's just so fast and with an arm like Mahomes you can out throw any defensive back right by the time it gets there. He's already I. I mean, I one thing that we do very well on this program. If I may patter selves on the Basco is we find little tiny things to get annoyed by players at everybody loves. So here we go, Patrick Mahomes come on down, but I'm struggling with Patrick. Mahomes. Okay. How let's find I. Out there? Yeah, he wears too many things on his Rhys so he's got like the got on one over live, strong, whatever. I, my bracelets bracelets watches. It's just a little too much for me, so. Okay. Take that. And let's just make a big point out of that. Like, you know what? Patrick Mahomes thinks he's, he's weights, Patrick, he supports too many. 'cause you know what on pick one get really behind one because everyone else is like one foot in one foot out, maybe maybe tone it down. Maybe just go some stuff on your left wrist. Okay. We don't need both Rossiya. Okay. How about this one? He's got a floppy head. Yeah, so I had been no, no, not the headband. I'm talking like when he's got his home it on his neck. It looks a little bit loose. Sometimes he just flops head around. Okay, the headband. That's Baker mayfield's thing I liked. Yeah. Well, I like to, I like to had been on them. Yeah. Oh, here's another one. He plays rinky-dink Mickey Mouse systems. He's Mickey Mouse quarterback. He played for. Cliffs Kingsbury. Yup. And now he's playing in this fast and loose Andy Reid offense. And yeah, so he's, he's Mickey Mouse guy speaking with you. Wanna do just a really quick side tangent here. The time the patch Mahomes played against Baker Mayfield in college yet. Okay. So they played against each other in two thousand sixteen the game was Oklahoma sixty six Texas Tech fifty. Nine Baker Mayfield threw for five hundred forty five yards and seven touchdowns zero interceptions Patrick Mahomes through for seven hundred thirty four yards. Five touchdowns and one interception and also Patrick Mahomes ran for eighty five yards in two touchdowns cheese, Chris and Joe aside pieces, Joe mixon had two hundred sixty three rushing yards. I honestly believe that you could put like five defenders out there and limit them to less than seven hundred yards. It's unreal. So the both these guys in Paker we obviously missed Thursday night. Punk was great in Boston. We didn't record till we recorded before, but Baker is also electric. So the quarterback class of this year has basically between Josh Allen going to Minnesota stunner Baker Mayfield winning for the Browns for the first time in forever. I guess the last year's quarterback class Sam darnold he beat the. Lions that one time and then Josh Rosen nice pick, but seriously the last the last two quarterback classes, you know, if you throw into Shawn Watson and Mitch risky. Yeah. Those are some great quarterbacks coming up. The league is in good hands guys futures very, very bright as far as quarterbacks and we know that they're dam. Sure. Gonna make sure that they stay healthy because you're not allowed to. Yes, I do like how clay Matthews has become the new von as Bertha CT like, this is not something that he had reputation for before it's far as I know, no. But this year he had a reputation, it's kind of a dump player time lets the hair. Yeah, it's it's discriminatory against guys along here. I get all the time when I'm going through airport security, I get my bags double check like, all right. Seriously, dude, where's the week? But we know that there's we just to me, here's what he did go clean Matthews. So again, second week in a row that he gets a actually third week, third week in a row every single week. He's going to get the first player to get suspended for not rolling away from a quarterback in mid air. Yes, but he did throw the gauntlet and in his post-game comments, comments throughout the s. word. The calls the league soft leaf can soft. I actually think that they will. That will. That's like. A calculated move by him. He will get find, but I bet you that he won't get the same calls like he won't get penalized over and over like he has been because you don't want to get caught soft. No, you don't. You cannot get cold. Does not going to let that happen. And then of course, we, we have to ask or Hank the patriots done to the lions kill the patriot, hey, I'm actually asking if we need to hang the chain on the patriots. Okay, sorrows, wait, hold on. Let's let's talk about this like adults. The patriots are still going to probably win the AFC east, right? Yes, right. Yes, we're, we're, we're just gonna completely neglect the Miami dolphin. We, we're all said they probably will. Even you could probably even say they'll go to the AFC championship. But with that said, that was one of the slowest patriots teams I've ever seen play like they, they look like they were moving in slow motion against the lines, both on offense and defense didn't do anything. Yeah. So on. You could excuse away by saying they don't really have that much wide receiver. Right now Gordon is gonna obviously right that that's going to change, especially having Eshelman do that thing where he just kind of runs back and forth routes, five yards away from the line of scrimmage and drawing linebacker coverage. He runs, he runs five yard ahead left and right than left. And then he goes forty, five forty, five degree angle left and then comes back. Right? And he's always open. Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's. That's so once they get that in place, it's going to be different offense. But the bigger concerns defense because defense look, slow Suda, do the Suda Espanol for trash. Ooh, trashy. What did it look like running in quicksand. No, the shoes. Oh, blends ius. Palencia. When you said to me, I thought you're speaking different language, but I guess that's the hot and the strength other those Chelsea boots? No, not Chelsea put toss sneakers. Okay. Yeah, they did look like they're running hot sneakers. They were. They were very, very slow and defense. I gotta wonder how much map, Patricia because like he's not coaching the the lines offense. That's JIMBO cooter that's up to that. But you have to wonder how much Patricia was like, hey, this is what you look for. This is why this is where like the soft spots on the because I know do I get any alpha shed of mcdaniels to get any credit for letting fire under Patricia's asked by saying that the team quit on him week one. Maybe Dow's your sources by source was myself that I was my sources, my eyeballs in my gut that and Colin coward doing the hat sabermetrics on them to which we we actually before we had. What is. What is done in the last two weeks. He's of the hat. Ford. And what is he done? He's covered in one. Yeah, you know what map Patricia. He had a glow. Yeah, he looked hot tonight. He had the hat on forward. He also feared looking nice and he were black, and it was very slim. I was like, I was like, is that map Patricia or Chris Pratt on the sideline. He also had the game hug with Bela check. You could just tell in his eyes that he wanted to hang on just a little bit longer and have Bella checks, like whisper, you've done well. So I'm proud of proud of everything you've done. Bill just turned around and walked even gave them a little Pat on the back like, hey, do you remember me that? Fuck this. If you watch the all twenty two on that handshake. Belcher starts to walk away and Patricia takes three steps following we walk into. It's like little times buddy, dad, and his dad's like, Nope, Nope, son, I'm going to go to the bar and I m ruin you wanna make sure the somehow we make trade that steel that robs you of all your future draft picks for some shitty over the hill. So hang seriously. Scale went to ten. How concerned skill of nine to ten? How concerned are you? Six. Okay. Get one them like a six would scale ninety ten, not because. Nine on the nervous at the lowest on that scale. Six. And the other one, six. One hundred. Ten, six, six teams at is pretty high. Last year. If I'd ask you this question after they lost the chiefs, you said like zero, right? So what's different about this year? They don't have. They gave away a tunnel, their players. They lost two weeks in a row in ever. Okay, that's that's something that can't be fixed. They gave away all their players. So why? Why would that not concern you more? What do you mean? You just said they gave away still hunters Bill Belichick and Tom Brady got some back though, and they have Josh Gordon potentially, and but it hurts too that the Texans suck and that's only win. So if it was the BCS rankings came out, they would be very low as we talked the gain this show, it's all circle of life. Yeah. Okay. And then I have to ask the question is the NFC Norse shadow Chris Berman division the worst division football? No, because the pairs are dominant. You had exactly the bears are on. They've ruined the NFC north yet. That would probably I'd I'd agree with. Because the Packers looked like Jok, here's here's something to put put. Like I said, Kirk cousins is inert. Here's some to put in your back pocket. The Vikings are going to beat the Rams up Thursday night because the Rams of the best team in football we can. All agree. And if I learned anything from this week and it's that the week before, don't take anything the week before and and put it on this week. So actually I just talked myself into not doing what I said. The Rams are gonna win. Wait, no, no, but but on the other hand, write your logic by your logic. Likings are going to beat the Rams by earned it this week. So I have to unlearn it next week, including your learning things that can share. I learned this week to not to to not take what you learned the week before and put it into your betting on Sunday. Okay. So next week I have to unlearn the fact that I learned to not take the week before and put into this week. It's like momentum sucking. Memento gonna forget every week because the. The lesson is to unlearn what you learnt. Okay. I think I folli so in other words, I just have to get a bunch of stupid tattoos about it pretty. That'll prove myself the end of the the Rams are the best team in the NFL. Right? Yeah. Rams who else would be Rams? Probably the most complete team so far. She's a really chiefs real use. Defense is not that great. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, if the bucks go in or it's in Tampa. Right? So been Rothlisberger is gonna wake up very confused about where he is tomorrow morning. Probably, yeah. For, yeah. Industry club with hulk HOGAN? Yes, hanging out with him and he's gonna throw for four hundred sections and lose two fumbles where he looks like he's actually like a blind man. Yeah, it'll be great, Monday, football, game thoughts week, three. I guess we talk a little college football. Okay. Would you want to talk about? I mean, we could talk about Wisconsin, Oregon, just absolutely shitting the bed. Yeah, they puked on themselves those big time. David Shaw, David is one of those coaches that he's the unflappable like he will. He'll make sure that if a team is inferior that they play two three points and he'll make sure that if he's down by a ton of ton, like he was at halftime into Oregon, that they'll play two, three points or seven. You know what I mean? Like he is. He is a water. Find your level coach where every game feels. Tight is it could be. Yeah, I, that sounds man tell us how many, how many beers you just want to talk about it because you had Oregon. So just say that, no, I, we can talk about it in that. Well, I did have Oregon, but that's not why I was going to bring it up. I was just gonna say that, hey, we talk college office second two things. One. I just wanted to sum nicest way possible, but Stanford is the most annoying college football team to play against. They're just they're just like, always tapping you shoulder. Hey, I'm still here. Hey, it's up still here. Just annoying. The fuck outta me. There was the army Oklahoma game which was only available on pay per view on TV, which I mean is that this respectful to the troops to hide them behind the pay wall ad say. So the troops are pivoting video absolutely working for the now. That was annoying. And I'm just going to say it was annoying and I didn't like it and you know what the should do. They should just make the national anthem pay per view for NFL games and see who the real patriots out there. There you go. So bad than pony up some cash, any other college thoughts? Known? I really. I mean, Alabama's fucking good. I did like the ear. Like I, I'm like, hey, let's college because I knew you had organ that was a terrible beat. I mean, an all time and other all-time bad b. was Wisconsin covering the over on a fake fullback dive fullback sweep. Yes, that went for forty yards. They weren't should've just gone down. They weren't even Trump score. Yeah, we're trying to vary unfold back, moved to not take Neo at the one. Yeah, on that house then is that it was concentrated game. If you just try to stop scoring, you'll probably school. Yeah, that's that's one other thing. Piss me off this week in about football. Every time a trick plays run. He say, oh, that's a Phillies special. Doesn't matter what it doesn't matter who's thrown it who sketching. It's like the RPO the all encompassing term for read option pass. Now this is every trick play every gadget play. That's how it got. So we started calling trick plays gadget plays back in two thousand five. I believe when the Steelers were making their postseason runs. Well, Bill cower every time we got over the fifty. The next play would be a gadget because Ben Rothlisberger couldn't really pass. So they would have Hines, ward Antwan Randle. El just go out there and play backyard football, and they call it a gadget play. And that name lasted for thirteen years. And now it's changed now every gadget plays the Phillies special sponsored by. Yes, also worse worth asking for juniors, the least reliable state in the country. Oh, yeah. Virginia Tech Old Dominion which you know we brought on the classic rebel rebel loves nothing more than to tweet about a big school playing a small school in how much the big school had to pay the small Virginia Tech quarterback went out. But yeah, that was awesome. That Old Dominion. That's all that's a once in a lifetime for if you're an Old Dominion person, which they're not. Coach, the classic like it was my wife, my two sons beating Virginia, like highlights in my life. Yeah, order Tatra Jack. Yeah. You know what those coaches have like a little upper hand getting off the bus to go into the stadium to to play like a big team like that when their neighbor is a, hey, just reminder, this guy, this coach that you're about to play against, he didn't recruit. You didn't want you. He didn't recruit. That's how Jayme you did that to Virginia Tech back in two thousand eleven. You guys are just doesn't twelve. Yeah, he hasn't come to your to your living room. Yeah. So now now the list of teams that you don't wanna schedule if you're a division one school is Appalachian state. Yeah, and odu. Yeah, there it is in Hank brings up a great point. Virginia loss to sixteen seed Virginia Tech loss Old Dominion port St. is UVA football. Good. No, okay. But they've, they've won me money. The last two. All right. Let's back in then. We'll know not. Sorry. Chris, we'll do our who's back and then we'll do football guy the week. So for who's back I didn't write down who's back so I might as well just start with it. Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods is all the way pack he won Dettori championship. I don't is that the torch is the tour champion fuse that he didn't win the championship of the PGA tour the FedEx. But here's here's why this moment was special because NFL Sunday dominates everything right? But Tiger Woods still was able to break through to anyone who's even watching football who doesn't even care about golf, knew the Tiger Woods was doing this and knew the tire woods was winning for the first time in forever tug and knew the Tiger Woods had like the galleries that were following him were incredible, incredible like old school, Tiger Woods. So Tiger Woods is all the way back and his swag level by walking. In with his redshirt his golf shirt on a hanger, like it was a fucking tuxedo was unbelievable. Biceps bursting and he's just walking with his red shirt like precious cargo. No-one touched the red shirts. Fucking is a red dry fit Nike shirt. And he kept doing the thing where he was like scratching his back because he knew the cameras on so it can show off the guns a little bit you go? Yeah, he, the swag was was in full for tiger shoes. Cool. A cool moment. Obviously, he still needs to win a. I think we all agree Cup him winning a major is going to be the real. Okay. Tigers back, put him just winning event is a big deal because it's been very, very long in lot of people myself included thought he would probably never be at this level again because he's his back gut transfixed Tikal that fucking Tigers separately. That's exactly how he broke his back. Fucked too. Yeah, that's why I don't have sex fucked his back out. I care too much about my is you really backed off those only thirty players in the tournament is thirty best. Yeah, so yeah, def isn't every tournament. The thirty best players that no. That make the cut are the, it's usually like what seventy players? Mexico? Because what I mean is is the best in like it was the actual thirty best words when they play these other tournaments. I feel like these random slugs just get hot for one weekend and can beat anyone. I don't know what it's still. I think he's still very much he wanted tournament event he wants. I don't know what it says about us just as that. We love seeing people just like torn apart. And then we love to see them be very, very happy and cry once they overcome tearing themselves apart. Yeah, but we just it's redemption, but we do. Yeah, I'm see. Tigers definitely back. Who's your who's who's back the week is online? Sleuths investigating Twitter likes. So did you guys see this? Did you read about this Levy on bell? No. So we're came out Sunday morning. That lady on the Steelers were listening to trade offers from other teams. So I think as I report on part of my take who'd we say Jerry Jones going allow. Yeah, so they're listening to to offers. And then later today, Levy on bell liked to tweet and the tweet was a video and the caption. The video is this is lady on Bellas last play as Steeler, and it was like a play from last year. So he liked Jaguars. I forget what. Yeah, maybe could probably was. Yeah. So it's a, it's a long tradition in America. Investigate people's likes goes all the way back to Ted Cruz with that incest porn. Yes. Now how many lights is he have does that's important because I have many, many likes. So if anyone ever says, hey. Hey, while you like that. I like I subconsciously like, yeah, you know what I mean? I'm I'm smashing the like it's more of a, hey, I I see now. Yes, acknowledged existence online? Yes. So no, Libya Bill does not have that many. Now if you go back like a year or two years, bell was a guy that would name search himself and then like anyone disrespected him, but he doesn't do that anymore. He cleaned it up. So this was an implicit, try it this first an intentional. Like I'll tweet from part of my take right now Levy on bell. I trust me. I've looked it up. I've tweet listening, try live Levy on bell is trash laid down bell. I dare you to light won't side with the patriots leave. Hank no leave leave you on. Bell is too much of a chicken shit to sign with New England, Patriots. Leave him. Bell is trash unless he likes this tweet. Okay. All right. What do you got any other now? That's just the one. All right. What do you got? Hang my head Kentucky football, and I had the joker who I don't know if you guys saw the pictures, but hawking Phoenix hawking, yes, is apparently gonna be playing the joker joker. It's going to be its own movie, sewn, standoff, movie, hit whatever you call it. Standalone one movie probably be some Batman. No. Oh, well, the only thing that's come out is the pictures of walking as joker. Than the internet just goes in the debates movie coming out twenty twenty one. Yes. I'm like, here's the deal. There's didn't even know actually know Jesus Christ. Oh, kit me cited about this. There's also joke movie coming out simultaneously with Jared Leto playing his weirdo sick, pervert joker friends in that. I don't know if that means in that or not, but I think that's fans. Batman, how do you have jet? How I don't know the Jared, Jared Leto joker movie is the joker and Mugabe's person. I'm sure that there's going to be Batman in there. That's okay. All right. Is you promise it's should? No, it's promising. It's going to be like that movie twenty four where it's going to be an hour and a half of real time where joker kills Batman stead. Okay. So you promise? Yes, there will be. That's my solemn promise. His Batman will be in their support. I have no idea. Okay. Anything else think you had Kentucky football, conduct football? That's good. That's good segue to football guy of the week. So we have some good nominees, but we also have cash. Daniel who is linebacker for Kentucky, big win against Mississippi State undefeated Missy say Mississippi State conduct football's on role. So shout out our friends at big blue nation, but cash, Daniel, we see you trying to get football the week. Every week is not gonna work, man. You gotta do something that's actually football guy like get thirty five tackles and then come talk to us. So he he was asked about the Mississippi State players after the game. And he said, I hope I hope they're crying slobbering. I hope all the girlfriends break up with them. Nice, try dude that that was such a clear. I wanna be football out of the week, not gonna nominate you. He's gonna make his own apt. It's just him like delivering speeches after games and just trying to get us download cache up project out, check it out cash up. Is your cash tack. So nice try cash l. so here are nominees, and we have one that we have to embrace the bait on. So if whittled down to four, the first question I just want to say we're sorry for joking by you because you seem like the kind of guy that would show up at her office and this is how you get. How you gonna love us even more. I'm not scared of you cash out. I'm not scared of you. All right. Don't cut that out. Okay. For. So we have organ strength coach who's all over the sideline on Saturday. Awesome, mustache, huge biceps. He's a beast. What I mean. Did you guys what there wasn't anything specific that he did or but he was bouncing he, the mustache was like flapping in the wind, and he was also being the hold back guy kind of I tire side, yes, his job is the pace the sideline. He's like a dog like a guard dog that just walks the perimeter and everybody knows you don't cross him, his must. The mustache is actually hold back guy for his own mouth. Yes, you think about it? Yes. It's keeping its keeping those swear words and check. I also like I like strengthened conditioning coaches, having looks and getting a little bit of buzz because I think they were there like they've been under the radar for too long and they deserve to to be brought out and be like, hey, this is our strength and conditioning guy. He hasn't monopoly moustache. I like I like Robert. Yes. He looks like a bad guy in a political cartoon from the nineteen twenty s exac. So that's our first number two is Nick Sabin. His quote after Alabama beat Texas am did not cover, but beat Texas AM. He said, I'd appreciate it. If you would sort of look at some of the things that we didn't do so well and right about that. So maybe I could show it to the players and say, look here, man, here's something you can do better. This was his quote to the media, so he's actually asking the media to bash Alabama so that he can somehow brain washes players into his. They're not good at football. Yeah, so he can brainwash nineteen year olds into being self conscious. Yes, rat poison. Yes, exactly. So what can we say? I mean, we did call this last week with that article that came out. Yeah, we said that we thought it was an implant, yes. And so this actually adds fuel to that fire that he does have turned out there that one hundred percents tells right Matt about them. All right. Next up, we have the buffalo head coach, buffalo beat rucker's first time ever in school program. They beat a power five team. Yes, we are. Technically, saying power, five team. I know it's terrible that we have to. We're going to say it. But anyway, he said in in the post game, they had everyone in the locker. He's like. The entire team. That's how you know football die has the entire team. In the palm hand, he has them cheering the fact that they get to wake up at five thirty in the morning after winning a game to go lift against Rutgers against. Yeah. So you beat Rutgers and your reward is you have to exercise tomorrow morning and they were all into it into it. Yeah. So rain wash through its Nick Sabin probably watch that. How do I get that? Yeah. So you don't schedule buffalo. That's another thing that your schedule don't schedule and then finally or so, here's we have two more. We have, Josh Allen, our guy. So he was asked after the game, how motivated was it being such a big underdog? And he just replied, I didn't even know. So that's a football guy, not knowing the the point spread. That's how you do it. That's how you do it folks. He's not an underdog ever when he gets out on the field he's ready to go, or do you think he just is kind of nerd? Doesn't about gambling. Yeah, maybe I should start texting him the line. Yeah, you should definitely wherever game, Josh, just a heads up. You're absolutely be lead to FBI investigations, hey, Josh heads up. Underdog. So if you wanted to target this number, that'd be great, so, and I'm gonna tease it up, so just try to make sure. But yeah, we'll start doing that. And then finally, the brace debate Herm Edwards has the turnover bicep curl? Yes. Now, I think turnover, anything fill in the blank is over. I think Miami was it. They it's over for Miami. It's over for every other school. They all try to hop on it. You basically imitators now I do agree that getting Herm Edwards. Something funny in the fact that he's getting his players to work out as a reward motor buffalo in this one, it's like he will not let you do glamor muscles during the week, right? You can do squats, you can do dead lifts. You can do tell you what, if you're nice, I'll let you do pull ups occasionally because it's mostly back but a little bit arms. But if you 'cause turnover during the game, I'll let you work on the curls for the girls. Okay. And when you look at the guy that was doing the bicep curl, you could tell that guy doesn't. Do a lot arms. He's not that guy's not allowed near near coal wreck. So that's our fifth Hank, who should we keep in or out. I think he's take out the mustache. Oh, okay. All right. Nothing concrete that he did. Yes, he's got. So you know, he's got to earn it. He's got earn it. He's do something concrete for he's on the radar. He's on the radar. He's gotta do some concrete. Don't think it's a football guy moved to have that type of mustache. Oh, it's a strengthened conditioning guy, murder thicker, but he didn't have the Raleigh fingers. Yeah, I guess twirl, here's here's the guy that's worried about himself, not the teen years out a lot of peaky, blonde peaky, fucking blinders. Does he use moustache wax. He does. That's probably too much. Yeah. All natural. Thinking about it. Yeah. You gotta have the mustache hairs. I get the most shares it go straight out. Looks absolutely terrible. I become a porcupine. Yes, that's how you know that I don't care. Yeah. So if you're a strengthened condition guy, you real strengthened condition guys. Don't even shower day. Just use axe body spray. Exactly. They use axe body spray and just that medal teast from the bars. Yeah, occasionally they'll take. A brillo pad of still steel wool and just kind of scrape off the dead skin. Yeah, that's what they use as a soap. Yes, exactly. All right. So vote for football guy the week apart. My take were three for three. I think with football guys of the week, actually accepting the award. So don't vote for Nick Sabin. Yeah, please don't. Please vote for that. Maybe the buffalo guy made which same feel like we get the buffalo. I mean, we definitely get Josh Allen so, but yeah, we can. We're going to get someone so before let's go to our interview with Mike, Lombardi before we do that a couple quick words from sponsors. Me undies guys where my me on these right now, are you wearing me on? I remind me on these every single day. I have like one hundred pairs of me on now and they are. I would never ever go back to the other underwear because miandi is is three times softer than cotton. And it comes with fun, new prints every week every week. I'm like, what's going gonna be on my Mandy. I don't know. Wow, this is awesome. They did dog art. You see the dog art ones? Yeah. 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He has lived the NFL his entire life. He knows the NFL inside. Now, Mike, before we start though, I know that you've been doing the rounds and basically apologizing to all eagles fans for bashing. Doug Peterson, we don't. We don't give. We don't give a fuck about that. Okay, you can. You can say, whatever you want about eagles. We need an apology right now about any Blake Bortles slander that you have thrown out there at any point in your life. I can't do that. Man. I can't do that. There's no chance. I mean, the equalizer helped Tennessee one today. I mean, yeah, the interviews over trap game, you have to trap game. He Tennessee's attr- come on. That's the kind of thing. I looked Jacksonville. I think's a great team and. You know, the funny thing about Blake Bortles which is hilarious. So I when I was in Cleveland and thirteen I, I was scouting all the quarterbacks and that was, you know, Bortles Bridgewater that was that draft Garoppolo and I love Blake. In the first couple times I saw them in college. In fact, I told her agent, you know, you need to get this guy. This guy is going to be a good player. So like I started out at the right place and I've ended up at the wrong place and I apologize. I'm sorry. Pause interview start. Have you say. Negative about Josh Allen, you don't. I I don't know what to make Josh Allen because I Wyoming. He was so inaccurate last week he was so inaccurate. And today he goes in there and you know, and if you would have had the the bills and twenty six points you would still want. I mean, it was like I mean, the Vikings twenty six, the bills with a one. I mean, it was ridiculous. I don't know. I my feeling on Josh Allen. It's going to be a wait and see thing. I, I still think that smart, but it's not. That's not really what it takes. Does you should make a statement about a rookie while he's still rookie? Just get ahead of it. I've been trying to do that about Trubisky. I've said that about Trubisky you know that fair. Okay. Good. Good. So the he's please, he's football, young. I agree. So we're going to, let's talk about week three before we do that, though. Your book tell us quickly what is in your book? Like I said, you've lived the NFL. You worked with Bela check, you're at the Browns. You've been all over. Give us a quick synopsis of what we can expect with the book is football. You know, the books basically about culture how to build a team. Bill Walsh told me in nineteen Eighty-four. There's only we're only competing against teams. And that was when it was a twenty eighteen league because no team really had great culture and they're building. And so that's really what it's about. You know, fortunate enough to drive Bill Walsh around in a car because I was a slap for him, and then I got to work with Bela check in Cleveland. And then I worked with the great Al Davis in Oakland for ten years, which is really like working for somebody for forty years and then went back with Bela check. So it's all the things that I've learned from them. It's not about me. It's about what I've learned. So what's the number one thing that a team? Like let's say, for example, where we're taping this halftime of the patriots lines, gay, Matt, Patricia is trying to build a culture in in Detroit. What is someone do when they walk in the door? And they're trying to build a winning culture in NFL franchise. You gotta be yourself. You got to be original, you know, and I talk about it all the time. Like Sinatra never looked coup in an a leisure suit. You gotta you gotta be who you are. You can't copy Bill check completely in the hard part for Matt is he's taking over team that was nine and seven last year, and they love Jim call every player on that team loved him call. So he's walking into a tough locker and he's got to win them over. And if you go to hard one way, you. Going to lose the locker room and you got to kind of have some delicate balance to win over the veterans as you integrate your system in the play, it takes some time and if you go to hard ass on them, they're gonna tune you out. You said that Frank Sinatra, dean, Luke Kuhn, leisure suit care to retract that comment because I think Frank Sinatra looks cool, no matter what he wears. You know, I love Sinatra, but I didn't think he'd look good in a leisure suit. I'm sorry. I never did. I thought he was tuxedo coupling gut. That's to me what I see sonata. That's what I see. That's fair guy. All right, so, yeah, so so Patricia try and turn something around there. Another gene that's something around is out in San Francisco. You got John Lynch, Cal Shanahan coming in. Now they've got to make decision because Jimmy is looks like he's out for the year. Probably. What would you do if you were the forty Niners general manager in this situation? You know it's going to be hard. There's no quarterbacks out there. Bridgewater got traded. I mean, that would've been the logical gotta try to trade for, but he got traded to the saints of the saints aren't gonna move them to me. I think it's a tough spot. You know, CJ Beathard last year they say, you know, they say he's going to be much improved this year. I don't know. Me the way the Niners play defense forget about this year. They look like they could be the first pick in the draft the way they're playing right now. They're not gonna win. Very many games. I'm about ready to give the Rams the NFC west title right now. That's fair. So while we're on culture, I saw that you were on the record saying that you wouldn't bring Josh, Josh Gordon in when he was on the on the trade bloc obviously the patriots bringham in why? Why do you think it's going to not work out? Or why do you think you wouldn't take on a risk like Josh Gordon. Well, I think because he he's not, you know, it's not passionate about football. You know everybody wants to compare them to Randy moss or even let's go to Lawrence Taylor that bell check. Those guys were just passionate about football, Josh is kind of indifferent to football? Yeah, it's an ends to a mean he doesn't love it and he's not been able to get his life in order off the field. And to me, that's a hard program that's like joining the navy seals, man, it's tough to play up there you got you gotta get in there early in the morning, you stay late at night, and if you're not willing to do the time and the effort into it, you're just going to get cut cast aside and look. They need them, desperately you could see how slow they are tonight on offense. How slow they are on defense. They need infusion of some speed. I could see why they did it. But for me, I don't think it has long range success written over. You go ahead. You were an assistant to Bill check. What is his tolerance for somebody that isn't coming in early isn't staying late? Like how quickly would he move on from Gallic Josh Gordon, if it wasn't. Interferes with the team. I mean, we had Alan branch there who was, you know, I don't know if you guys remember branch from buffalo got arrested for drunk driving after the bills, paid them a ton of money. We picked him up in the fourteen season and Allen's smart guy from Michigan, you know, just never could get his life in order. But you know, there's times where he was in the program. He we almost cut them, but give them a little bit of a rope. And eventually he got a turn around and I don't think we would have won the two Super Bowls that that we want in New England without them. So there is tolerance, but you gotta be able to to correct yourself. I'm not sure Joshua always do that. So you were an assistant to what? What does that mean? What did you do for him? Well, I did. You know, it's funny because my background working for Davis Davis forced to and Bill Walsh forced you to understand the game from the coaching side and the players and the personnel. It was players plays all the time. Most times in scouting, you just see players most times in coaching. You just see place, but those guys forced me to see players in place. So I would, you know, every week for Bella check, I would point of emphasis, which is. What I thought we had to do on offense where we had to do on defense in the kicking game to win the game. And it wasn't just, hey, stop the run. It's that's. That's not what what you what it is. It's not that simple, you know. And so it was those detail reports did scouting player analysis. I did projects. I did stuff to me to kind of give him and help him as he is Sumed his role as the general manager of the team to try to make it more conducive to him, and then also help the coaches and what I saw at practice and what I saw on the games so you we, we have just finished washing the first half of the patriots science game. Now it can obviously change in the patriots are come back in basically every game that they want to. But do you think like the story that the media always like, when is it going to end? And I have to just from the eyeball test, the defense looks like they're running in slow motion. How does Bella check a coach like that? Fix something in season when you there's not someone who's coming who can fix everything. There's not, you know, some first round draft pick that's going to show up well, I think it will help Adam and get back on. Off, they miss 'em Adullah badly. I mean they miss Danny's toughness. They missed the on Louis. They don't have a loose playback James Watson nice player, but he's a catcher, not a runner. Once he gets the ball, he goes down so you got to be careful and then defensively, they just be more speed. I mean, Hightower can't run like you used to run. And so he's really a defensive end. He can't play linebacker anymore. And I think what they're going to have to do is start to play some guys that can run. I mean, you saw it last year when they played marquees flowers, and they started to put guys in the linebacker they need guys that could run and on defense, they can't run. They can't create fumbles the way you can tell your team speed on defense is by how many force fumbles you can create. And that's that's the best way to do it. I wrote about in the book it's you can see at the speed of the team runs to the football, and it creates fumbles and patriots can't even get stripped balls. They can't get near the quarterback. They, they mistake flowers tonight. They gotta get him back. But to me, you're gonna have to move some people around and get players away from space plays and try to create a better more speed on the field. It's gonna be hard speaking. Those those strip plays John grooten. San the last couple of weeks that what they are really missing out Oakland is having a good speed edge rusher someone that can put pressure on the quarterback. Is there anything that he could have done differently or maybe he could be doing differently now to get that speed Roger. I don't think those are hard to find. You know, you just don't walk down the street and find one of those guys. So those they're hard to find and look. I mean, I get it if he's trying to go the patriot way and not not have one guy make a lot of money, but I'm not sure that cars worth the twenty million when you watch him play and the talent level on the raiders the raiders of the classic what I call fifty minutes team. They play good for fifty minutes, but the last ten minutes of the game they fall apart like they did today, Miami Miami. They should have been up by two touchdowns on Miami. They have four go with the one and they run the fullback belly instead of giving it to Lynch and then they get down there. Again, they throw turnover in the red zone. I mean, they've had chances to win the last two weeks. They've just shot themselves in the foot Bali and they just don't have enough playmakers on defense bad. Jon Gruden is that he is. He's really good at getting his players up for game, but his halftime adjustments are just like, let's keep doing everything we did in the first thirty minutes except to it harder. Yeah. Well, I think there's some truth to that. I think what you see with them is is the John so busy and a script and running the offense that he doesn't see the whole game, and there's a way you gotta play. The whole game. I mean, his defense can't play like last year. The eagles play twenty six minutes defense pretty for the season. They played twenty seven a game. That's the way their offense ran the thing. If the saints play twenty seven minutes of defense this year, they'll probably be in the conference championship game for every game. They can't play thirty minutes and I think what John doesn't understand how to do that. I think he's so busy looking at his place sheet and you're right, they gotta make some adjustments. It's hard, especially when you got a lot of moving parts. Okay. So another place that you worked in your career Cleveland. They got obviously their first win in six hundred thirty five days on Thursday night. After the game, Hugh Jackson said, I gotta look at the tape and decide if they Baker Mayfield to starting quarterback. Now, did he say that just so that he didn't hurt tyrod Taylor's feelings? Or is that a true statement by him? Is he actually going to look at it and and give it, you know, throw it up for grabs after what we watch with Baker Mayfield in that second half, I think he's just trying to be respectful to Taylor. That's the only thing I could think of. Because if he hasn't gotten fired for just winning one game, he'll get fired for starting Baker Mayfield in Oakland. Next week. Right? And you know. So I mean to me, like I, I know what he's trying to do. He's trying to protect Taylor, but I never understood the Taylor thing to begin with to me, I thought Taylor was better off for buffalo, obviously not after today, but to me, buffalo needed a veteran quarterback more than Cleveland away may Mayfield play this summer to me. I thought he deserved to start yet. Yes. Would you think maybe Taylor is a guy that could go out to San Francisco. You know, it's interesting to see. I could see Kyle wanting him. He, he's so he's bootleg oriented. He needs to be on the move to throw the ball. I could see that they got a ton of cap room and they need somebody to come in as a backup. I, I could see that if they don't do something in San Francisco, they can easily be picking the first pick in the draft cause with that defense. They haven't stopped anybody in three weeks notes. True. It's true. So looking at we three weeks, we obviously do knee-jerk reactions to everything which usually wrong. But what is the biggest surprise either team or player through three weeks to you? I mean, that's it's surprising to me that that chief, so just went in with the plan, bad defense and the way they played. I mean, obviously, Mahomes playing the way has turned the ball over to me. That's a shock. I thought this summer they were hiding their offense and they did, and I and I think that was, I think, Houston to me, I thought Houston was going to be a way better team. I was an idiot. I thought Houston could compete. They got all those players back on defense, Watson was coming back. I thought they would be much better than they are to me. That's a shock, their own three. And their seasons down the tubes. You know, I don't see it, and I think the one thing is, like I said earlier, I think the Rams have just to me homefield advantage might have to go through Los Angeles, so stay on Houston for second, we never talk about another man's job because that you just don't talk about another man's job, but would Bill Brian bihace candidate. If this team continues to, let's say they don't. They probably won't make the playoffs. And let's just say they won't make the playoffs. Does Bill Brian, then feel the heat. You know, look, they just changed over the organization. Rick Smith left. They gave. They gave Brian gain the job there. They gave him a new contract. They gave Rick new contra, they get Bill new contract. So to me, this is year one of a new contract program. And so I can't see McNair making that many changes that quickly unless he decides to do what what the eagles did and Bing bring Howie back. He brings Rick back and fires, everybody else. I mean, I wouldn't put it past anybody, but to me, it seems a little premature. Look, the Texans. You can make any argument you want their poorly coached. I mean, they got first and fifteen. Every time you turn around, they had the ball. I go like the five next thing I look at their own thirty. They're moving backwards. They get penalties, have a touchdown. They get penalties. They're just not playing well at all. I thought my thought my score app was broken every time I looked at Texans game because I think they did at one point like first and goal on the twenty eight. That's why Shawn Watson keeps getting all those stats. Padded in the second half is because he, he gives himself a bigger field to play by the way as we talk. And as we talked about the patriots demise, they're now down thirteen tents, they'll probably okay. So they're gonna first reported by part of my take right now. We talked earlier about changing culture when you're a new guy in town. What about if you're Mike Tomlin and you've lost locker room, you've actually literally lost several players. You don't know where they are. How do you, how would he go about regaining control of going on America's most wanted to look for him. I mean, how do you do hunter actually, who lady on Christ bra. Yeah, I, I think to me like I think that the happiest people in the world are like Mike Zimmer's probably happy tonight because he can go in there on Monday and he's got his team's full attention. I think Tomlin has happier in hell going in there this week and having everybody's attention after getting his ass kicked at home. Sometimes we look at it on the outside as dysfunction on the inside when it's really the chance for the coach to be able to rally the forces like buffalo, we all thought buffalo me included like who gave buffalo one chance in hell to win the game right. Viking. So. It's so like, look, it gave, you know, Sean, McDermott got a chance to go in there. I mean, look, Tennessee played, the Tennessee played the car. They, they were like, hey, we're, you know, we're, we're, we got no chance to go in Jacksonville. We can't win the gives your coach chance to talk to the team. And I mean, look, the eagles eagles can get pissed off at me all they want for for for for ripping on Doug Peterson. But I mean, they played that car the whole time, like nobody respects us and they did the whole year at that. That's a hell of a card to play when you can do it. Did you get a ring to this? Anyone didn't get one of the owners gift to rings out if you guys know this, right? So they always kinda give to rings. They give one that's the the real ring that has real diamonds in it and then get one that doesn't have all the real diamonds in it. I was at least expecting one without the real diamonds Putin. Right. Exactly. Is Mike McCarthy on the hot seat is Aaron Rodgers more than he's putting on. I thought this was a tough game this week. I mean, looks Washington's the ultimate play play to the to the competition crowd. It was a soggy field. I think I think Green Bay's defense is terrible. I think that they've been bad for three weeks and they haven't really been able to slow anybody down. You realize they gave up twenty two points in the fourth quarter last week in two minutes and fifty seconds. I mean, that's hard to do really hard to do. And so you know, I think Mike's gonna fix his defense. You know, he got Dom Capers out there now, Mike Patton's in there. I think they got to fix it. And right now I think time on Gummer's the best back they have because when they spread you out, he at least can create an explosive play the Packers. They, they've never had a good defense like Dom Capers been there for forever and it seems like they haven't been able to stuff into they haven't. No, that's how'd you? How'd you fix that? Because he got guy right now clay Matthews. He's got a reputation of these working on. He's a player. I tweeted out that l. river on should put a video together to show all of us. What do you wanna clay Matthews to do? Like where was he gonna put his body like, really like, where are you gonna put your body like is there any chance you could have moved it left or. Right. I mean, you're you tackle the guy. What do you want me to do? Just like all of a sudden reverse tackle them, fall backwards to do a somersault, justify the laws of physics. It's not that tough to do, but I think Green Bay look, green base got to fix their defense. And what happens all the time it happens in New Orleans is is you play this battleship game. You just try. You call different defenses for different plays. Sometimes you hit sometimes you miss and Green Bay's in that battleship mode and they're not hitting. Yeah. So the, oh, go ahead. PF to jump back real quick to Philadelphia, and I do wanna bust your balls just a little bit about it because. I can take it trust me. Just bust them. No big deal. I heard, here's the thing. Here's the reality of it. Like if you gotta have opinions, you're going to be wrong. And the best way you can learn in life is that you made a mistake. I mean, look, the one thing I in my time in the league when a scout would come in for an interview and he told me never made a mistake. That's a bad scout, right? You learned from all your mistakes, you know. And so look, if you wanna go on TV and say, nothing you can probably stay forever, but nobody's getting educated so you can bust my balls. Patrick Mahomes is a bust. All right. So we all do it. I mean, look, everybody's made mistakes, just like. Yeah. I thought that project when he was with us in Cleveland and we figured if you're seventy five percent accurate on picks on draft, picks guy plays or doesn't play. You're doing a hell of a job sets. That's a c in school degrees. I do wanna know who's the shitty coach this year, who's the new hire that you think is going to suck? So I can pencil and who's going to sip of. You want to bet it all go all in on it. You know, that was I haven't seen like, I think Frank rights done a really good job. So I haven't really seen one that I think would be really bad. I, I haven't really seen it to where I thought, oh God that looks bad. You know, I was wondering, Mike labels. Defense wasn't great last year in Houston. He was terrible. And now he's two in one. So maybe it's Mike Rabaul, you know, say that probably is a threat. No, but that's good for us. If Yanks able sucks. That's true. That's true. I mean, I don't think he sucks, but I'm just saying I wasn't sure how he got the job based on the way his defense played. Okay. Okay. Now I also heard that you wrote a letter to Doug Peterson apologizing for your bad. Take that somebody was, I guess somebody approached Doug Peterson to write his book this off season, and they recommended your name as a co, author of the book. Did you ever hear anything about that? No, I read that. I read that it. He said, no, I can understand why would say no. Plus it was all I could do to write my book. Trust me. I thought writing the book was the hardest thing I've ever done. In my life, but I think promoting the book might be the hardest thing. That's why I bugged you guys too much, you know, like it's it's hard to promote books. It's hard to write it. So I'm happy. Doug didn't ask. I saw picture hundred Twitter of Bon Jovi reading your book. Do you think Bon Jovi actually read your book? Yeah, he did. He really did. John loves football. I'm fortunate enough to know John because John Bell check are close, and so we would always hang out with John John come to Cleveland when we were together there. John comes into England when I was there and when wherever we were in jersey, we'd go see John. Now he lives out in the Hamptons. He's got this. He's he's making Rosa diving in the Hamptons Rosanne now. So, yeah, he. Dak Prescott. He sucks thoughts. I don't think so. I think he sucks Mike, Mike, he sucks. I don't think so. Okay. Tell us tell us why tell me why I'm wrong. I think they're scheme is so bad. I think they do nothing to help them. I think if Sean Sean McVay went and spent spent two weeks dollars, they probably scored thirty points a week now I don't think they have great skill at all, but how does his e. Elliott average three yards a catch seriously? It seek Elliott. You can't get him the ball, like get girly. I think it's they have no skill. They have no look. Let me tell you something if you, if on Austin is your main guy you're in trouble. I agree with that. So that being said, Jason, Garrett, hotseat I don't think so. 'cause I think Jerry's comfortable with them. I mean, this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, he's he's, he's in trouble. I think they've given them enough rope to hang himself down there, but I, I don't see I. I call them the Clapper all I see them. Clap. I don't see a make you talk about no adjustments. Yeah. Did you I assume you gave a Super Bowl prediction before the season, but because we're now three weeks and we're gonna give you a redo. So you don't even tell us what your first one was. Who do you see in the Super Bowl giving the three weeks of knowledge that we have on this NFL season. I think it would be the Rams and the chiefs. And you know probably the over would be at seventy. And I would bet. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I would bet it all every which way, but you really think the chiefs can do this with playing no now, but, but I mean, I, I had Houston. I'm an idiot. I had forgotten. It was going to be way better. I mean, Mike, I just told you didn't have to tell us who you fix. Mistakes. I don't care. I don't matter to me. I thought they would be much better but like look, Kansas City. The one thing can city can do on defense. They get off the field on third down. Now they may not force a lot of third downs, but they get off the field spins never get to third down. You can't say that you're bad on third down. Yeah, that's right. So you know, so anyway, I, I don't know. I like I when you just watch the teams like the Rams never take their foot off the gas. They're really good. I don't see anybody in the east. I mean, Philly struggle in the wind today they struggled the win India had every chance to win that game today, you know, and then the north, I don't know about that one. The south, I mean, New Orleans. I like their team, but I think the Rams will move the ball and him. I think it's the Rams and then the AFC New England doesn't look like I'm not buying Miami even though the three. No, yeah, neither my candy ass uniform. So that's mostly why I wanna talk to you real quick about Earl Thomas out in Seattle. So what would you do with player? What would some of the grid iron geniuses that you've been. Around the player like that, who who very clearly doesn't wanna be. There is still an awesome player, but his saying things publicly like basically skip practice whenever feel like it because I don't need to practice which I mean an Earl Thomas case. I don't think he really needs to practice that much still be an impact player, but like how do you handle that with the rest of the team? I think it's really about money guys. I think it's all about money. I think he wants to get paid. I think all these, all he does is just try to start on John Schneider and p Carol, and just trying to get paid like pay me my money, man, you know, it's like he's just trying to really piss them off and either, you know, don't franchise me pay me or trade me are those are the things. And I think that's a Genta. And then he goes out there and has to interceptions and he plays great. So how they going to trade him, you know, and they don't have enough good players. They're going to have to figure out a way to pay them. I mean, there's a solution and it's called green, pay them. All right. I have the c- key question promo code take you get ten dollars off. Your seek purchase. Put it in now go to a football game promo code take on seek. So you worked for bell check for many, many years. What is the Mattis that Bill Belichick has ever been issue at me? Yes. I don't think I, I don't really. I'd never really had an argument with the Matt. I've never really. We've bills not one of those guys to get like Bill will get look. We're just not going to do it. You know, Bill, we've done at your way. It doesn't work. We're going to do it my way. Now that's what he tells the team. But I mean, like, look, you know, I've seen enough of that. I mean probably in Cleveland when we both went out to Modell's house when he was moving the team to Baltimore, and and that was probably the most angry at me, but most angry or disappointed. I've seen them. Do you think that team so that team is famous, he gets move Bill, check, it's far. Do you think if that team does get moved, the Bill bell check is still the coach, Cleveland Browns today that I don't know. I mean, Modell it would Modell and him was always a rocky relationship because you know the coz our thing and the the fans not really endearing themselves and all that. But the team was really the team was a good team and a lot of the players we had two first round picks. I mean, you know that year and so we like what happened to San Francisco's? You know, like what happened to Houston. Last year, you lose your quarterback things fall apart. The guy moved the team on us. I think Bill was a good coach. Then I wrote it in the book. I told the Rams the Hiram ninety six, they didn't listen and you know, and I think he's he would have been a good coach forever. So yeah, I do. Okay. On the other side of the country, what is the funniest name that out Davis ever called you. He always would tell me he sent me to Elba. I'm going to send you Elba, you know what l. was. No, that's when Napoleon. Yeah. When he was in power, he got sent to Elba. And so that's what he would always. He would just would just say, you know, in hours never one for calling you by the name. He would just say off and hang up the phone. I mean, I worked for Davis for almost ten years and I just, I never knew he never said Hello by the, you know, an I'm deaf in one ear. So when the phone clicked, I sometimes I didn't even hear it and you know, so he would just, you know, he would always threaten the semi elbow that was was big thing was I'm gonna and he did what my last year there, which I still get blamed for jamarcus Russell. I wasn't even in the draft room. Well, known leak circles. What about what about lane? Kiffin? Did he tell lane? I'm gonna send you just jump straight to the PowerPoint presentation. That came in for the interview and interview three times. Okay. Now I wasn't in any interview and then out told Sark bring back your offense. Accord is. So he brings lane back when Sarkozy back to LA on the next flight with lane. You know, Sox's I have. I don't want the job so at hires lane. Wow. So lane cocked another person they go. It was. And I mean, Elaine actually had no business being. I mean, he was the guy was really going to be the offense coordinator and he got the head coaching job. I loved it. But one thing I will defend link and on is he didn't want picture Marcus Russell either. All Davis. Well, I'll on the scouts. They all wanted them. Yeah, interesting. If all right, my last question for you. You can you talk me off of the hate that's coming mischievous Ke's way by people outside of Chicago, saying that he is not a good quarterback. Tell me that he is a good quarterback, Mike, please. I can't. I can't come on. Don't this? Do this lie. Because I think it's really hard to when the game goes fast. I think it's hard for him. I think the reason that play the reason he didn't play the reasons mister Ohio, and he doesn't go to a house state and has to go to North Carolina is because he wasn't an instinctive position for him. And then he didn't play at North Carolina because it wasn't real instinctive. Now, Kenny get better. Look his arms not tied to his feet, Steve Young. Now, here's what I'll give you good news, Steve Young, nobody thought he could play either and Bill Walsh traded a second round, pick and and two million dollars to the bucks for Steve Young. And he turned him into a player. It could happen because athletes, sometimes it clicks and they become better players. So there you go, I'll talk to you about that. He's going to be like Steve Young. Maybe he's gonna learn to tie arm to his feet and become more accurate and more patient, but but the one thing I will say Steve Young had a lot of success in college Mitchell did. Well, almost beat Georgia. That first week. Yeah. I mean, the kids a great athlete. The kids are great athlete, and I mean, like today, you know, I mean, I thought for sure you know that they were going to, you know, there's, I thought he was going to lose this game. I really did quick update. The lions are up twenty to ten now. So we were correct patriots. And again, yeah, there you go. All right. So you're telling me that bitch Trubisky future, Steve Young that works. I can listen to the Bank. Yeah, one actually you. So your book obviously goes through all of all football history and winning championships. What in your mind is the best dynasty in NFL history is at the eighty five bears. No, I think it's the patriots. I think cousin the salary cap. Look, we played the eighty five bears and in eighty four when they were starting at knew they were going to be great. And then in eighty five, they were unbelie. You couldn't block them right, and they had that new scheme with with buddy running their defense, but to go to seven conference championship games in a row. I mean, and their cap era. That's counterpoint. Eighty five bears. The great. They really were dynasty in NFL history that one year. Pity? Anything else? I think we're get everyone. Check it out. Gridiron genius masterclass winning championships and building dynasties the NFL. Mike. Thank you so much. We'll definitely have you back on, but you have to before you come back on, you have to say something nice publicly about Blake Bortles and we'll be watching. I will definitely do that. I promise you. I will say something nice last week about what you say. I think Blake Bortles is Blake. Bortles is playing well. Okay, those nice. Good job. Okay. All right. We'll watching if I can change and you can change all. Here's a list. It's Blake Bortles. It's Jared Goff. It's Mike Vrabel. It's Mitch Trubisky, Chris and Kyle long, Josh Allen and Julia Nedal men. So don't bash any of those players back on. I love Julian. You can scratch him off the list or no out, whatever. Say about him. Okay. All right. So just write down that list. No, that we're watching you like a hawk. Yeah, I'm actually setting up a Google alert right now. Michael lumbar, Blake Bortles. So anything you say is gonna come across my desk? Yeah, you got it. All right. I'll send you. Oba. 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There are fellas apartment to thing. S. we're connected. We don't talk, I made, but we're gonna get their friends of a friend. Yes. Okay. So first up we have, where's the beef? What's the beef over? We're calling what's what's beef. What you do in a shock and Dwight Howard or in a beef. So tweet Howard has decided to beef with shack. I don't know why, but he did. So he Instagram commented to shack. We can have a roast battle if you want. I got ten in the chamber for you l. o. l. I'm sure right, how, right? I'm sure he has some of the funniest joke. They're just show Dwight Howard recently when awhile out the MTV show or the it's like a road cannon. Yeah, daddy, Nick cannon is hilarious. Not many people get that, but those do appreciate it. That will. That's a very, that will be very distinct. How many, how many under twenty five listeners verse over twenty five. Yes, it was one of those things where yes, twice stood there and got roasted, but then acted like, you know, he was. He was part of it and laughed with it. And I think that's how the whole, what call the ball rolling. So then shack responded. I only battle champions little man. You ain't in my division you and Charles Barkley. Division focus on getting that ring brother? Yup. Well, he's not focused on getting rink. He's on the wizards. I mean, if I was if I was shocked, I probably wouldn't give shit about what Howard says it twice. Howard's career path. He's tried to be shack every step of the way Wilson in Orlando. He tried to be shocked. He did the superman thing like shack. Then he went to out to LA, try to shock out there here really happened. Here's what it is. Dwight Howard is millennial shack and Dwight Howard is what shut now true. Shaq was much better than White House, but Dwight Howard would have had a completely different career if he was in the NBA when shack was in the NBA. And by that, I mean when there wasn't social media because Dwight Howard like the biggest problem for Dwight Howard is everyone has seen through this smiling the on the on the best. I'm so funny. Everyone loves me. Bullshit. Shack is more similar Dwight Howard than people realize shack doesn't like like shack doesn't let people make jokes either. He's kind of a fucking loser. Like that to where he can joke on the bigger subtle. But if you come at him, he's kind of a baby about it right then any also like he has control. The narrative is Kerr like the whole island I make the free throws. I made him when they count. No, you didn't. You miss. A lot of free throws when they count it and put he put because we don't have the same social media. And you don't rose players like you, like you rose players now much different than back then? Shack basically was able to skirt by the I feel like if shack came up right now, everyone would think he's laying. I would actually like to see a roast battle between Dwight Howard and check. Yeah, with both of them crying but shack gets the benefit of the doubt because he shack and he was cool and he was he when he was a winner. But he was also check was cool before he was a winner too because he was different and he was like, I mean, Zam Zam you just thinking a little put. That's what I'm saying. I think shack would have gotten roasted so much more if he came up and trying to do the same things right now. The difference is, I'm pretty sure could kicked anybody's ass today. He's way. Way, even though Dwight Howard has like arms that are the size of Bo constrictors I guess that's not really compliment, but he also has bow constructor, right? He would still get his ass kicked by just about anybody in the NBA. If you have like Dwight Howard is pound for pound the worst fighter may be on the planet right now. If you look at his Hugh definitely run backwards. Yes, the whole time she and check again way better if you wanted. If you want to look at some shack stats, it's like it's porn for like statistics porn, some of his playoff stats where he would just casually drop forty and twenty forty and twenty five. But my point, my point stands that I think that it's a funny feud because I think shack into white Howard or more like than either of them realize I wish that we could go back in time and just like give social media to these old guys. Yes and see how they would handle like Michael Jordan is one of these. Is that hates millennials? Yeah, he hates his players being on the phone all the time. If you give Michael Jordan access to Twitter and Instagram and like nineteen two. The public perception of Michael Jordan be very different than it is. Well, he would be. I think he would be a similar to Kevin Durant that he would go at haters, but he probably would just show up to their house and actually like a play one on one don't make them cry. Michael Jordan probably swat people. Yeah, he would. He would since that's okay. Would be the goat. We have a take quake. This is from Jason McIntyre. This happened on Friday after Baker mayfield's win on Thursday night. He went onto the NFL network set and Jason McIntyre had a specific point that he did not like that. He saw from Baker Mayfield. Take away from Baker and he was electric last night. Yeah, jets had no tape on and they weren't ready. Did you see after the game runs off the field site, maybe five minutes later comes out of the locker room to go on the NFL network set and he had his phone in his hand. Really? That was the number one thing I looked out. What when you look at quarterback after the game, don't have their phone. Baker Mayfield I thought was man. I got that when I got to get on social media and see what people are saying about. Come on. That is what we call a takeaway. Yeah, holy shit is really good. This is a special type of, I don't like this guy for whatever reason and I'm going to pick. I mean, we do it too, but we do it in fun. This is he really doesn't like Baker Mayfield because of his. He's on his phone, big added. If you saw this shred instead of celebrating with his teammates, he checked his text messages. Can you believe after his first NFL win? He was responding to texts from his friends and family. It was nervous. Funk was unreal discussed it. I hate five minutes after he didn't have the playbook anywhere in sight. Unbelievable, this is I mean, how much attention do you think, jeez, I actually don't have anything against as McIntyre gone on his podcast or some other podcasts with him a couple of times. But this one is an all time just hold hold hold the l. here, man just hold it. Yeah, all the I I made the point that like urban Meyer would not be caught on. On a cell phone yet as you know how to use, doesn't know what a phone is. Yeah. So I mean, who's real classy went here? Baker, let's finish up our last segment. We have our Monday reading. It's going to be a short one. Yeah, it's gonna be short one, but it we need to do it Rick Pitino as we've talked about, he's on Twitter. He's onto it and not only is he on Twitter, but he is is Rick Pitino good at Twitter. He might be going to Twitter, so will you be the judge so we are going to do Monday reading recruit gino's, Twitter, let's trade off tweets. We'll all start because you only done five, I think, right. Is that right? Yes. Five tweets out. I'm gonna take it from the bottom. Okay, chronological. So people get a little setting here for years. I've stayed away from Twitter because there was very little positively. How'd he know that if you stayed away from Twitter because he had a burner account. Okay. All right. I will stay completely away from cynicism and destructive words. Yeah, right. Dude beyond line for more than a week, and you'll I love when new people come onto. Witter like, hey, I'm gonna make sure this is just positively only wait until wait until someone either send you a porn link like some hot chick is like, hey, come on my chest. I live right near you, and then you click on flock or wait till someone starts trolling. You and the positivity will go away into reputation, discovers what DM's are. Yeah, sideways real quick. I hope to bring a spirit of optimism which is so needed today. Yeah, yeah, this is great. So as I statement on Twitter's bashing, the entire platform saying, I don't wanna be here right now, but I figured I sell from Skippy. Positive. Yeah. All right. Second one. All right. Between those. Sorry, for the couple of bio spelling the stakes yesterday, the graphic designer never heard of me. So little dig at the graphic designer excuses. Already. I trusted the graphic designer too much setting new c. plus, plus. Yeah, but but this is gold because he coined the term pa- tweets. So anybody. Online if whether you like it or not, if you follow Rick Pitino you are now a pa- tweet, oh, you are a pitch Reto and that's that's a title that you will carry with you for the rest of your life. It's like, yes. All right. I'm gonna skip this next one because it's just a promo to go to some fucking. I don't know what he's doing. All right. So so second last one RIP tweet, Ohs start your day off with a healthy bowl of these there. verified. So it's kinda like Tony tiger. They're great, and it's new pumpkin spice flavor. Get your morning started right between Toews. It's bowl, cereal. It says free, spell, check inside every box. That is. There's a lot going on that one. There's a shitload unpack. Yeah, who he the pumpkin spice flavor the pump. That's just a dig at like an online culture I already sitting in really well. Yeah, I think that they copied the layout of the cereal box from the progressive insurance boxes that they have in store that Florida's the commercials on. Yeah, he also just do you see what it did to us. He made us the tweet owes that he made between serial, so he's just gonna eat Suada. Am I serial, I think so what's all this white liquid that loading around Rick early for this? Yeah, they're frosted, it's it's early in the morning and you're just pouring this. This thick white liquid all over. And then they'll make those jokes that we don't. Part about this, and then his most recent was a picture of him with God knows who I thought it was Dickie for now. Yeah, we should be so lucky and he's some white man in in place of a lot of power. Yes, and and Patino wearing white pants, which is great for camouflage engaged. You have an accent also great because classic Patino rule breaker after it's after Labor Day, but it's all saying, but it's also in Miami. I feel like you can wear white. You cannot everyone in Miami's real. You cannot. And he says, enjoying the dolphins game laces out a tweet Ohs really. Lassic he's really gonna stick to this between us. The serial slash all his followers. Yes, what an arrogant. Fuck of name all of his followers. Something I don't want that I fall, you know, joy, you're, are you gonna wanna be a between. I wear it as a badge of honor. You want to be between yet. Thank me and hanker between us, so we die fine. I'll be between. All right, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Proper trio eighteen asked me about Rick Pitino Twitter account, proper trio. And then on the back, she's spread optimism. I don't even know what Twitter is spread optimism not seeming. We should make. Yeah. Okay. I find between, you know what I should've fought it. That was that was like those like teenager be like, no, I don't want it. Rick. Pitino gives you a label you take. All right, fine. Rick. I proudly I humbly and proudly serve you as a pa- tweet over reporting for duty service spread optimism around the world. Okay. That's our show Wednesday, Gordon Hayward, get excited, breaking some interbreeding moose. Yeah. breaking news. The Orlando airport was just ranked number one, fuck? Yes. Of all city airports in the United States and the steroid haven't got renovated. Yeah, congrats did, I guess? Yes. Number one youthful. I love it. If you ever find yourself in Florida, make sure you stop by the Orlando airport and see steroid with. And one that goes down when on the other side, which I remember to forget. I think once you get up there, you're stuck and you know what? He wouldn't really mind if you were no stay there for all right. We'll see guys, Wednesday, Gordon, Hayward, lovey, Gus. It's pardon. My take percents by bar, Stu sports.

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I mean about five years he was a billionaire started where he was in college. But you gotta think though, that's that's the the internet and social media. I mean, that's a little bit different than a bunch of little pieces of lipstick in Missouri different. But as Roddick faster, though, you know, is because of the internet that she's been able to monetize monitor. Exactly, I mean, one tweet and see. She the one I almost shutdown Snapchat weren't tweet. Well, yeah. Look there's there. I I have no interest in the Kardashians is just a general rule. But you gotta respect the fact that she's been able to create that sort of wealth doing I don't even know what I'm saying. Business will make up and make or or just social influence or whatever. But I I don't get it. I don't I'm not interested in it. But I'm impressed by the fact that she was able to create that kind of wealth without doing something that I even know like, I'm not a Facebook. I know what it is. I know what the product is. I don't even know what she does. You know? It reminds me of I'm going crazy. No, I'm going to sue. I saw this movie. It's a great movie Oscar nominated film called call the devil wears product. I've seen it in a life seen you like. Okay. Great. So there's the scene in which a character very much like you or saying like, oh, I don't really know anything about this stuff and the main cares. Miranda play Meryl. Streep breaks down. How decisions that you think? You're not part of you actually are part of an interesting. It's just that you're very very very low totem pole. We don't get it. Right. We think Cardin is they don't do anything. But they're influencing stuff that we can't see, but we're just at the bottom end of receiving that their input into culture. I personally don't think I'm attached in any way to the kadarshian world. But who knows I may have picked up some products that they endorse. And that's the reason why I was on the show to begin with. So I'm willing to say they're influencing you gotta move a lot of makeup gotta move. You got move. Gotta move a lot. Absolutely. I'm a little offended that you didn't think I would have seen that movie. Why? Because you don't see movies. Well, yes. But I did see that one. It's a great fan Hathaway. Yeah. No. I mean, like Anne Hathaway would you didn't like Joe. Speaking of the Kardashians. Zun key. Did you see that Courtney Kardashian Instagram post from yesterday you said that's your old bathroom? Yeah. That's the bathrooms. They've all your house your house one of your houses. Yep. That's quality picture though. Do would you like to ask for more interesting? They just being a social influence risk. No. I get it. I see the picture. It's interesting. It is interesting. Let me see the page. I want to be interested. I want to know where the money is. I wanna know like I mean, it's not her makeup line is worth a billion. She's worth of your listening. Ks PM, Los Angeles. I need to see. See you like me yet at the end of the day. I think it's the company I think it's her company she's owner apart on or whatever the case may be. They've got clothing lines make a blinds. I mean, they got endorsed product. They do modeling runway show right here. She's teasing her company. That's coming out of her makeup lines coming out in a couple of days. I guess push or something. Yeah. So they all got ma'am about to come. I wanted to make a point what's gonna be. So she's got this me arises still coming up with. Yes. Hot chocolate. You know? So it's just all it is black drivers is just is is different Shays darkness. We're here you this is simple. She's so she's got about one point six million lights on this one photo year old bathroom. All you. Gotta do is get like what half of that to buy some lipstick. Little five dollars. Right. Not even have the math is easy. Get a quarter of it. Yeah. Yeah. The math is easy. Once you start thinking about the number of people if you can get people that like your photos and Instagram to then go to Walgreens wherever the hell, they're selling the Walgreens darkness. Okay. So all everybody, that's television like Marcellus at all of us brothers. We need that make up the shit, you know, anti shine. All this other stuff, I'm a darkness. And then we go from a light Brown to a really really really really dark Brown. My hey, can we get a Latino version of colleague Sambre means Jade? You might be able to produce that later on. That'd be the second generation. What did you going to call it? Hot dark nor hot chocolate. All right. So combine going on, of course, colleague Murray from the beginning to to now is still the guy that we're talking about the most in Jon Gruden has been talking about him a lot in Jon Gruden is known as one of those guys that maybe talks a little bit too much is because we talked about it yesterday that usually when you hear these guys talking about a player or their picks or what they might do that a lot of it. It's a smokescreen its poker game that you're you're trying to get someone else to do something that's gonna ultimately benefit you, and Jon Gruden is not thought of as a particularly good poker player here. He was couple of days ago talking about Cuyler Murray. He's tackler talent. I think he's as good a quarterback as I've seen in the last couple of years. I mean, this guy makes all the place. I'm not gonna fuel any speculation that word Mitch making a change at quarterback. But I will say this Murray's player. I think the hype thing is a little bit overrated now. But this guy's gonna run four three watch when he has pro date of Oklahoma. So I'm not gonna. Fuel any speculation about it. But he's a great player. He also said that he loves Murray that it quote bears watching that he keeps talking about this guy. And then he did say that Derek Carr is still the team's franchise quarterback. But the more he talks about this guy, the more you wonder, if he wouldn't pull the trigger on something like this or maybe even move up because it seems like the cardinals are fairly aggressive in going after cardinal Colin Murray, if therefore they would move up to one getting, but I don't think that the cardinals are gonna get Kanna Mary. I just don't think that they're that's poker. I think that's poker to to get somebody to move up. And that's okay to get somebody to move up to China slop out of that spot because they got a quarterback that they just drafted okay? In in in this in this day and age and football, especially if they're trying to run the air raid system in the pros us catching through that's all it is is catching throw he's done half to do a whole lot of moving around. The only reason why he moves around is because he's athletic. I left to do it. They're not accessing him to move. Out there. Asking me kiss a football throw it to the open receiver. So Josh Rosen. Everybody's saying Josh Rosen fit fifty doesn't fit than fit if he distended back a shotgun. Ninety percent of the time eras not underneath the center. He's standing back there you run into but ball out of the gun you're catching throwing, and that's all you're doing. It seems smoke and mirrors. If you're taking Kyla Murray that high if you're you're taking him number one in Arizona, number four and Oakland that that high. That's a big swing Mandic to take up to pick that high on a guy that has you know, we can talk about that five ten like, okay. We're good to go now. Well, he's barely five. Ten. It's not he doesn't he doesn't check a lot of the boxes that traditionally you'd like a quarterback to pick or to check. If you're picking that guy that it's one thing like with the ravens did with Lamar Jackson take him down. It's a project. We're gonna we're gonna thirty two we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna work into this. And we're going to develop him over the period of you don't really have that luxury. If you're picking. Him one or four that you're going to sink or swim with him in a relatively short period of time. That's a big swing with huge risk while they already took a big swing. They fire their coach and hired a guy who was fire from Texas Tech a guy with no NFL IX fire the coach after one year after one year. So they've already taken a big swing? So as far as I'm concerned, if you going to do that move, and you believe in whatever it is that that man is selling you that man being cliff Kingsbury, whatever he's selling you, you believe in it. Do you have to do the move for kata Murray? Because if that's what he wants to make this thing work. You can't undermine the guy that she just took a big chance on to begin with not giving him the QB that he wants for his system is undermining his ability to be successful. You've already taken a chance to hire him so go and give him what he wants. And see if this gamble is going to pay off that you're gonna get fired. And if that's what you only do get fired. Then I saw you Albert breer says that he's not ruling out the fact that Derek Carr might be moved. Mike Mayock about this last week. And he said, we believe we have a franchise quarterback that says if Kylo memory war Dwayne ask, but or someone like that if they if they look at one of these kids and say that kid is a superstar, you know, the superstar in the making I I wouldn't totally rule out the idea that they that they make a move for the quarterback at the top of the draft. So I think both options that are open. I'd be surprised if they move their car anytime soon just based on the fact that they don't have them their answer coalition, and they're not drafting at the very top. Maybe not drafting at the very top that they are drafting fourth. They do have three first round picks out. Imagine it's not that hard to put together something to move into a position where you can take whoever you want. Yeah. But to go four to one before two twos. It's going to be a lot. The you're going to people are going to ask full whoever's in front of him. I'm going to ask for a lot era's gonna ask for a lot. And I think the Niners or two. Yeah. Yeah. And the Niners are gonna ask a lot going to ask for a lot. We will ask for those two ones. And then something else. I mean, they go ask for that four spot from the raiders the move the two, plus they might ask for some later on down the line a couple of other ones. I mean that that's going to be a lot. I guess the real question is do you think he that that partnership between Rosen and cliffs Berg clings, berry can work. Josh Rosen signed off any they had that they met prior to him being hired in Arizona's ranges sell goods. I probably but but see just because it's a sitting at the one spot in the draft. You got a lot of options because you could trade out pick up pick. You could do all those sorts of things. You don't have to take Nick Bosa Quint Quinton Williams. You don't have to take those guys because you can slide down in the first round will get them. It's still get a defense alignment or Pash Russia because it's it's a ton of them. I mean. A ton of different players. The first off is a planet comes off the board is going to be in the teens. Probably in view that those these quarterbacks are gonna last ill the teens, man. I don't buy. I don't buy the Kyla Murray height. I just don't buy it. I don't believe that teams or scratching and clawing to get him. Jacksonville is gonna feel their voi- with the bulls with foale's. Okay. San Francisco got Jimmy Garoppolo. The raiders got car. Arezzo got Josh Rosen day, what if John Gruden accelerates his timeline in this? Because like we've talked about it. The next move is car when it happens is maybe a little more fluid. But if he decides, you know, what Murray's my guy or Haskins is my guy, whichever guy said, this is the guy that I want to go to with is the guy that's going to be my quarterback when we're in Vegas at that four spot he could pull the trigger there, and maybe accelerate that timeline in a fun car. I mean, the fact that he's not saying definitively. We're out on quarterbacks. We're not taking one would have me send it home going. All right. I should probably get ready to be playing somewhere else. But you gotta look at you. Gotta look at who's in position to get a quarterback Denver sitting at ten. They got a quarterback. They got a couple of them. They're sitting at ten Detroit's in eight. They got a quarterback. Who's at nine th the interesting one the that at nine is buffalo. They just took out a quarter min interesting one is the giants at six they would take Haskins. They not go take. They take a quarterback gonna take half because they not go take. Kyla mary? They're not gonna take calamari. They gotta take somebody. I mean, they're I mean, maybe get through one more year with Eli. Maybe you don't. But the the idea of waiting around that they missed on all these guys last year, whether it's Mayfield or darnold or arose inner amount have to move on from ally. Manning, though, if I'm new might. Yeah. I couldn't be one more year. I'm at home. But if you give him all his twos, and you keep him up riding you help the off into line out. He might be able to give you something. All right. The Lakers they had to win last night. And well, you know, what happened? So where do they go from here? Hey, plus traffic, you know, we got some issues in east LA. No, he's telling me, don't go to work. Now, there's a battle one. We gotta get some key Nath coming up as well. Key have coming up as well. I should be like an rock and roll band. You think files a drummer? That's good bass guitar there. That's a regular guitar. Thank you. Are. You sure you hit the strings flees the basis, this is not pleased birth. Raj place base to does. How you guys last name rush on what you know, fruit. Siante Cruciani say with some feeling from red hot chili peppers. Oh, what's the do? From instinct. I would be chilly from in sync. Yeah. That'll make sense. What why would we play the instinct guy if Riyadh chili peppers birthday? No. I was asking ills e the name. I wasn't saying that this was Joey Fatone. Yeah. That's what I was thinking my bad. Yeah. Yeah. Personality day. No, you and your mom got a lot of them. Ooh day. You're forty nine years old. Forty nine years old, right? Didn't John pass away? No, he doesn't he he was out of the band for a little while for like he likes heroin heroin is the way we like say. What does that have to do his birthday mint because he thought he passed away birthday is inaccessible by that the Kishan mentioned did pass away? God bless. When. Inaccessible dive. Right. What are you? Quiet. Mitch and him. We talked about red hot chili peppers in excess zoo passing in sync all. Quite know why? But. His birthday is John also known as his nickname is trick finger. This is really good nickname. That is not bad. 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If you're coming from the old seat drive is taking the ninety one to the six zero five if you're stuck. What does that say? If you're still fucking traffic. A couple of getting bigger and bigger. Rolling people. Yeah. If you're still stuck in traffic take on the five get off telegraph road surface streets to get back on it. But remember it's back all the way up for about an hour and a half to two hours. Congestive you gotta give it up soon. It's the five San Diego freeway north at Cesar Chavez have backed up the beach boulevard. Yeah. Then if you look at. Yeah. That's right. Okay. Helicopter today if coming from Orange County take the ninety one to six oh five I'm gonna helicopter the bunch of Dan food. So we try to land the thing what we crash landed safely and leave them in the helicopter. Thank you. You know? The Kita this morning is brought to you by the law offices of Joseph Essner on if you're injured in an accident. Call joke because you know, Joe knows he'd six Raj. Eight six six seven seven seven zero six seventy seven Joseph s norm on I was going out. But I forgot my parents should have you should have the Lakers are thirty and thirty four. That's exactly one game better than the Lakers were a season ago without LeBron James the Lakers are in tenth place. They're five and a half games out of a playoff spot, which is about where they were a year ago. And I'm not putting all this on the Braun. Did this is just all the information leading up to the fact that this is about as bad as it could have been short of a catastrophe of, you know, a career altering moment that the Lakers are out of the playoff picture, barring a miracle. They're not getting back into it. And there's it's not like, okay. We got a problem if you fix x we're going to be all, right? The fact of the matter is they've had injuries. Those are going to happen. And they haven't. Been able to deal with them very effectively. They have a coaching issue. The peers will be addressed at the end of the season. They have young players that didn't make that leap that. We were hopeful they did improve. But they didn't improve to the the degree or at the rate necessary to make this team go to the next level. You've got a roster that is flawed just fundamentally though the makeup of this team does not you don't have enough of what you need to compete the way the NBA is played right now. And then you've got LeBron who's the numbers are, right? The numbers are in line with where he's been historically. But if you if you watch him night in and night out the way, we do it's not the same. It's it's it's a it's a ninety five percent version of what he typically is all it may maybe it's less, but all of this adds up together to your way under. I mean, they could they could end up the season having more losses than wins. Which if you set in let's say LeBron misses eighteen games. That's still means. He's playing sixty some odd games. Okay. You can't you can't lose more than you win. Lebron James play sixty five games. You just can't. Well. There are a number reasons why when we look back in this season at the end of the day. We're going to ask ourselves. Why didn't you fire? Look why fire. Fire, and it's not that we are after his hair or his head or anything like that. But it was very evident. When LeBron James was playing they were healthy they were playing six hundred ball, which is where they were on Christmas day pretty damn good twenty nine and ten. Probably would make the playoffs. Obviously. If you plan six hundred ball and the inability for the coaching staff to find a way to keep them at five hundred in terms of playing while the Brown was gone is. It's disappointing is disappointing. Because this is the core. Remember, this is the coal Kevin. This can lead to think it should be traded for Paul George. This is the core that was supposed to be attractive enough to lure not just LeBron James but other people to play with Bonk Bonk. This was the core that we thought was going to be the building blocks of championships for years to come. And this core lost the New York knickerbockers. Yeah. So I don't personally I look at that date more than Christmas as the turning point because as win the franchise said. We're good as opposed to looking at going. We gotta fix this. Now, you know what never having? Thank you say. I think that they wanted to give an opportunity to see what's going what's going to happen. They makers, but the, but I think the front office and all of them realized that they were not really going anywhere this year. Like, you know, they wanna beat you know. He maybe Houston. Maybe. Oh, okay. See in a playoff. They were not going to beat them on just stay knew that going forward. So they wanted to see how things was going to play out. But they had him whip that young core Massias they already know how it plays out. Yeah. But you have LeBron. The team never sparked never they had moments where they played pretty well. They had moments where LeBron and coups and Lonzo and Ingram were all playing together all playing pretty well. But they never sparked and we've seen it one hundred times when you make a coaching change. Sometimes it does not already time. But every once in a while you make that move in a spark in team takes off. They didn't even didn't even throw the switch that even try to get a sport. Right. They just let it go out and it never came back. And that to me is the disappointing one of the most disappointing parts of the season with I felt that was an opportunity to give it a joked with a different voice. Maybe put some people on notice. But more importantly, remind us as a fan base that we're not going to settle for mediocrity. And what you did. It was kinda SC where we just want keep Klay Hilton. Yeah. And I did a season with no expectations. No joy, no excitement. So let expect -tations Greenwich. Let's talk about the expectations. Let's talk about what comes next to meet those expectations. That's coming up as e there, sir. Playing this for the Lakers this morning by requested literally or Hazel, answering requests lines. I think I don't. So you do you think that genie is walking around this morning with a couple of tea looking out the window. Picking about Luke said he's want to be the first to say goodbye. So that's the reason why count you out to the Knicks at the Cavaliers after two sons 'cause I just say goodbye. Yes. I mean, we put yes. Because just because imagine it's not looking at the window along with a Cup of tea not trying to say goodbye magic out there with the sickle in the hood over easy. He's waiting to go in there and do some work. I mean, I think that's exactly that genie's fondness for Luke for lack of a better word. The fact that you know, his best part. Okay. Going. That she didn't want to have to take him out in the middle of the season to give him the full seat. Like you were saying that LeBron's been out. And okay, we're gonna make a deal for Anthony Davis. Let's see if that's going to be all these different reasons to keep him. Always trumped the, hey, we still have never won more than we've lost the the the young core is progressing. But at a rate, that's probably a little slower than anybody would've liked the team does not seem to have your passion, or or fire spark whatever it is. And maybe it's not even Luke's fault. Maybe that it's just a mix of guys that aren't going to respond to anybody. But you're not gonna know unless you make a move, and this this is life in pro sports coaches, get fired. You can't fire fifteen players. You can move one and maybe get maybe get a spark there. But you're not going to blow up the whole team. You're not going to be able to do that. So the only other option is to make a change on the bench in here. We are it's March fifth teams four games under five hundred he's still here. And and the thing is guys down here to the end of the sea. This isn't this isn't a brand new conversation with this because it arrived. Lebron James there were questions about Luke as a coach last season the questions about a coach when he got hired. It was crushed about the coach me get hired. So this notion was I think I saw it on I take I think he did to Travis of the conversation about whether or not in the coach killer. They're starting to cancel all great players coach killers because if you came wheel with me, you gotta go kill you. That's just a bottom line for me. I consider a coach killer someone who either goes at their Costa has success before that player or has success after the player if you didn't do anything before you got LeBron and he didn't do anything after the bra. I don't think you got killed you committed Christmas coach killer is a bad coach that can't coach players. That's a coach killer, and you can't coach pill ears when we give them to you. You can call me a coach because everywhere I go coach gets fire, but we stay winning. Right. When I got a good coach. But Obama coach come that coach gets fired. And you blame me if any that's not his fault because he's one everywhere. He's being he's one with whoever you put him on the floor where it whatever coaches coach. Anyway, if you can't find a way to win with LeBron James LeBron James didn't kill you killed yourself. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a soup. And seriously this team is not a championship team. No, no one was expecting him to. But it certainly is better than this. It is certainly better town. He looks just like just like Brian. They know what to see it. But they. He did. But you to walk through the door. They did. Oh, yeah. Yeah. We all said the same thing. But carry-on nervous. I don't get nervous. But no one can see you. Try I know that this was a two year plan. I know that year two is when they're back back back back back back, but you can't let a year. Well, you got three years left now. Right. But you can't let it year of LeBron James's last part of his prime. Go by with without firing every shot that you can they tried to fire a shot to get Anthony Davis. They tried to go into free agency this off season and get Paul George. They tried to do all these different things because they know that there's a finite amount of time left. We're LeBron is the ultimate difference maker. They. A year went by and nothing happened. In. This was a shot that they didn't take. I'm asking this question man, as we fast forward into the summer, if they go, and they get kyri Irvine is that satisfied night depends on what else is on the news to who stood up the young. Do you got still going to lose? And you you bring Cairo you've got back court of kyri and Enzo, and then you have coups LeBron and Brandon Ingram and then like some of the pieces. Depends on who's coaching. And it depends on which version of Kyrie. You get look like here too. Here's the we talked about Lonzo. And yeah, you've been hurt. He's been heard two years in a row and missed a lot of time two years in a row with an injury that seems to be something that keeps popping up over and over again. So you're gonna give max money max term to a guy that has an a a real injury history. This is not just a one like I I would feel more comfortable giving Lonzo a term deal then Kyrie because Kyrie's getting hurt. He's get the stuff surgically non contact injuries non contact injuries. And here's the other part about Kyrie. We saw that. He and LeBron there was some friction there. Now, there's also the whole bunch of winning. So that's part of it. But since he did the Kyrie's also kind of an odd ball. He's just I don't know. I'm gonna say I don't care. Kobe was odd. Kobe has course, it's different kind of significant but Koby also had his quirks. Coby also had a confrontation and reporting rough mention shit with shack, and we got what three chips out of all the guys that are available this off season Kyrie, I think seems the most likely and probably the guy would want at the end of the listen, I don't want him. But if I'm ranking him, and you're talking about clay, Katie Kawai, Anthony Davis all that. No, Anthony Davis isn't a free agent. But all of this Harry is at the bottom of that list, not top. If you swing in a you missing on everything. And would you grab it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All the buzz at the combine could he really go number one. Mike Lombardi will tell us that's next. This is place safe-space. I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. You don't once one starts? I can't do that. With that thing. To my right is were I. Go to my left into my my twelve o'clock. I like to feel like I can turn my head and not be inundated with stimulus that. I don't want. I'm I'm very sad. What are we point here? Chris. Sure. Well. Oh why? Because just because I want to place musher. Usher Ershad share in Bieber, boys. Discover bieber. Russia because of the Bieber connection. No knew usher beeper was posting videos on YouTube. And then usher that's how found right? I guess. Yeah. And then you found key. Usher. It's just cool. Come on. You don't want begins tomorrow. Yeah. What are you gonna give up? Again. Here's to see how. Well, I'm not Catholic. I am you. You are baptized today, my first communion confirmation, then it all came apart. Have I mean, you know, we're all sort of Catholic. Now, we like the pageantry, but not necessarily all the stuff, you know, we don't like go to mass or anything, but I will give because I need to cleanse these forty days, you do as you pointed out many times key. We got to that holiday entire life. Food. Just generally this is generally speaking, it's fat Tuesday. And then tomorrow will be an all request Ashland's day all request on our show. Just. Quest things. Religiously affiliated, of course. Yeah. Good. Combine. And I mean, we kinda Murray's amazing to me that we've gone from a guy that is baseball player to really good football player to Heisman Trophy, the easy coming out to is he going to be the number one pick to he's the thing that we're all talking about every single day when it comes to the combine join us right now to talk about that is Mike Lombardi from the athletic and Morton, Mike. How are you doing great? Thank you. How are you? Fantastic. Fantastic. So I mean, obviously Kyla Murray has been the guy that we've been talking about for the better part of a week. How I mean the fact that he was just a smidge over five ten how important is that that he had that eighth of an inch to put him over the top. I wrote about an athletic whether he's an eighteen inch over five ten or if he's five eleven and a half. I mean, whoever team drafts them where he goes. Whether it's the Zona cardinals, Oakland, Raiders, whatever team that gonna have to come up with a system of offense that that handles his lack of height because he's not going to grow. And and he's not going to be tall. And when the game is on the line, and he's gotta make throw from the pocket. It's gotta be with through lanes able to see down the field that when the plate breaks down. That's when Tacoma's sensational, but if it doesn't break down, and he's gotta make proce of the pocket, then it becomes a little problematic, and it's gonna come out onto the offense of design that's gonna come out scheme, and it's gonna come down to -bility to be adaptable within the scheme. Mike. I'm just curious me say, you know, concerns about him throw from the pocket when stats show police and ninety percent of his nose have been from the pocket yet. Well, but that that's great. And certainly we know he can do it. But. Those guys that rush for in college don't us like they do in the NFL insider. Still watch Patrick Mahomes. Played a prank Pence their New England Patriots. Why the patriots forced him to back out of the pocket? If you watch what the patriots did a Jared Goff. It's forced him to not be able to step up into the pocket and the best way to control. What about today is not not having five call corners that certainly helps. But how your him when you force him to go. Look at the beginning of the Alabama game. When. Struggle the football. And and then it became looser Chuck over you're not gonna tell me no one is going to be able to convince anybody that a five can quarterback can see down the field. The number one thing they can Mayfield has always said in assault. Whether it's a Cleveland, or in Oklahoma was sometimes I can't see if you do all the tape of Baker Mayfield during the season and break him down. So this best place year when he to the pocket, and I think that's what you have to be always concerned when when you play Columbine any Mike keystone, the Sean my man. Hey, Mike ki-sun. Hey, what's up? So look we've been having this this kind of Mary conversation battling around over the last couple of weeks. Everybody's talking about his height. I'm not overly could I'm I'm concerned with his height. But I don't work concerned with his statue his Bill, right? If it two hundred pounds two hundred and five pounds of Sony weighed in today limited training camp. You've been inside these you dra-. Players. You've you've seen this. He's two hundred today. He's one ninety at training camp with dumb mccown soup coming around the edge, Aaron Donald come from another side. If filer all hitting him all at one time door -bility is a concern of mine. Should that should not be concerned about that? Oh hook. I mean. I think this is there's no history looking say Russell Wilson and Fernley mostly Wilson in terms of height dissimilar Russell's obviously, tolerant he's bigger. But for the most part Russell Wilson went through three years at North Carolina. Staying went through west kansin. He showed our ability to offer his college career. We've only seen Colorado at one year. I think certainly their abilities got to be a concern for you. When you look at this player as it moves forward. I think there's no down and some of these hits he's gotta take. And where he's going to get pressure from it's got to look for him. And I think that's going to be the concern. Now, he's got to have to be in shotgun pretty much most of the time, which is gonna limit teams running games at his best skills that when he gets out of that pocket and he runs around and he's gonna take some hits. You gotta be careful what he does take in terms of hits. Michael Borneo, the athlete joining us former general manager of the Cleveland Browns and raider executive, Mike. So when you look at this in in we're just on kinda Mary. Minute. When you talk about somebody taking him in the top half of the draft. They certainly got to have a bunch of things around him. Is this one of those situations where you're kind of putting your career on the line with this? I think you are. I mean. Folks now. I kind of at the top of the first round of they'll first pick overall. You know, he's really he's doubling down on his career. I think you know, he's the kind of things which was opposed to as you want some fun of history. You don't want to be the the guy the trendsetter that guy that breaks the bowl. I mean, we've had football full time at allies, and there's been nobody at this height. And this way that has established him one softened chips. It's just hopping and so you're on a trailblazing track. And if you think he can do it God bless, but there's no prerequisite that so that he can do it said you've got to be a little bit concerned. I respect this town, and I'm not a height stop because we've seen great players. Whether it's Donald be short. We've seen great players. But we haven't seen great quarterbacks point at this height with this way, and then able to place teen eighteen nights. Mike Lombardi joining us on Keyshawn l z and Travis and let's say that it is the cardinals. Let's say they do want to be the trend center. What does that mean for Josh Rosen? What's the market for him throughout the rest of the NFL? When we saw the one season that he did plays on a bad team with a bad line and was getting his head knocked around. You know, eleven touchdowns fourteen interceptions job a six under average under six yards. Not good. You know, the offense from skiing standpoint, wasn't good young line was a disaster. Know Dennis Ross, the one thing I do know about the NFL the NFL is like buying a car. What statement once you draft them leave the showroom the cost goes way down. And I think that's what happens to Josh Rosen. He's gone way down. And you gotta feel like can you rehabilitate this career could you get them going last year? They traded a three and a five about five spots the raiders to get them. They share. I don't think that market's going to be very strong for him. Because people are looking at sixteen and say. Really didn't do enough to give up a high draft pick for. Mike Lombardi of the athlete. Former Browns gentlemen and raiders executive, Mike. Appreciate you coming on this morning. Thanks so much. I'm Mike you, sir. Don't stay away too long. Quick quick quick draw. All right. Dave Roberts, finally said what at least some of us have been thinking. And it's not good news. We'll tell you what it is next.

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The Anthony Davis Trade Would Never Happen In The NFL

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The Anthony Davis Trade Would Never Happen In The NFL

"The volume levels are checked. We ended up to six unlike in spinal tap turn it up to eleven it's me, and Michael Umberto back again. We got tons of great stuff to get to man. I cannot wait. I suze heard hard knocks and the raiders as my guy Lombardi's head's gonna explode. But I just wanna let you I just got back from Toronto, the victory parade their first time ever, for the raptors a very cool seen man. What we're going to talk more about parades in what to expect. But my first thought was this, the last time was in Canada was prior to cannabis being legalized, let me tell you something. It's sort of we the north. It's we'd the north. That's what that entire parade was one and a half million people micro highs kites, you'd better be shared his own dozen drug test you this week. Make sure that doesn't happen. You're going to definitely I had that second hand smoke. It was weird. I was in Canada, too. I was in Vancouver for a speech and I went with a bunch of Canadians to this bar in Vancouver, which was just incredible. And we sat there and watched the first half of the game, and then I went. It to the back Hoover airport to watch the second half and I'm high five and with a bunch of other people, and I'm not even a route, and when they wanted it was so good. It was so much fun. It's easy to get swept up in the, the emotions of every time around the do you find that I need to always resist this. Mike's in that Canadians had an accent. But every time I go back I hear it more and more. Okay. Good to see a bud. How things go on. And they're so nice. I mean, the whole time I was in couvert everybody was so nice. I mean, what a beautiful city I mean, I've never been there. I've been to Seattle and never been up there. But the city was just gorgeous. I had people on Twitter. Contact me direct message. Hey, can I meet you in the coffee shop? And I'm like, yes, sure why not? You know, hey guy gave me a little book. Good morning Vancouver. I mean it was great it. We really was. It was an awesome because people are DM's you'll yes, your on by coffee and why not. I mean look, I mean look, I people all the time. I mean, I became friends with Ryan holiday from bugging them. You know, to me, I think if you're that snobbish and you don't let peop-. Reach out to you. Now look, if somebody calls me a complete asshole, I don't think I'm gonna go meet them, but I. You know. So do have limitations one would think that's out the introductory line in which case to beat somebody a bone to pick with the you know what I'm busy? I'm sorry. I can't make it but Stanley park grouse mountain. Great places in Vancouver. Let's get to the main topic. My man seriously. This is enough fodder for us for the next I years, I feel like I mean, hard knocks raiders moon with an open mic. It's going to be brilliant. I mean first of all the setting there, I wrote about it in the Aflac the setting is so perfect they take over the Napa Valley, Marriott. Right. And so there's the fields behind it that the raiders have built, but they give in the winter to the soccer teams of Napa Valley. So there's two really good fields and a half. They have a weight room locker room. The players can walk. There's a little bit of a pool. I mean it's just an incredible setting. And it's so perfect because literally, you'll go out there in the morning it'll be cold. You'll need a sweatshirt and ten minutes to ten like clockwork the sun breaks through an it's hot acelle, and what makes this so good. Is that? You know, you get an opportunity to get Gruden in really his rarest form he's gonna have to become John Cruden not John. I love you, bro. Like, john. I hate everybody bro, like, that's what it's going to have to be heat. Can't sit there and hide this like he's going to have to show us who he is. And then you got Paul Gunter. I wrote about this Neil Simon in his book rewrites has this incredible. And I think this is the way we should all make friends lifelong friends, particularly he said that he struggled Neil Simon for anybody doesn't know was the great playwright wrote the odd couple barefoot in the park, brilliant, lost, in Yonkers, lost in Yonkers, you know, all of them, right? I mean so goodbye girl. Anyway, he had the hardest time writing plays. And he said, you know what I realize is I didn't make the characters. Interesting enough in act, one for the viewer to want to see him in act three, and when you think of the greatest shows, you, you'll profile on Sinophile or you and I have watched the sopranos. I mean we know Tony's Broncos sopranos. But we can't wait to see him in act. Three right. Yeah. I mean really when you look at the finale of the Seinfeld Larry, David was basically saying you dumb FOX, like these people are horrendous and you liked them jokes on you assholes like you like these, but I made him interesting. So you wanted to see him an act, three, I think it's Neil Simon's greatest work. And I think if you choose friends that way, it's brilliant, because, look, you don't want to be friends with somebody who can't get you that three that they're too, boring. And I think the Gruden and this whole element is truly enact three if they let it play may. I ask, who's got he's gonna wanna come on there and show. He's doing really good. You got Gruden. Who's in charge? You got Gump through the defense coordinator, and you've got a coast of others Antonio Brown. I mean you know, we get the Derek Carr and his purest form. How good can this be? I mean, if you're HBO, I mean, you got gotta be thinking this is up subscription rates here. I was say it's obviously a win for HBO. Mike is this guy is. Made for TV Gruden literally was an analyst Monday night football for years. And big personality mentioned may I ask, how he's going to perform, etc. What's the win for the raiders if you're under as what's your have exposed more? Exposure what what's the thinking that a win for the raiders is? And we're gonna talk about basketball later in this pod. But the wind is explain their plan. Look, I think the seventy Sixers. I don't buy the process put the reality of it is they explained and people bought it people wanna hear your plan. It's really called. It's called management of attention. I have a plant, I'm going to explain it and people buy plant fans wanna know what your plan is. But if you don't tell them what it is. Then they start guessing they can't get behind it. I think this is a form for the raiders to us to show a, they have a plan b they know what they're doing and see they have a short and long-term way of affecting their team. I think it's perfect now, if they don't I mean, the scene that comes to mind all the time is one of your friends Herm Edwards when he was on hard knocks, and I really think her members got fired because of hard knocks. When he was sitting in his office quiet with no music, or nothing pondering, whether he's going to start Brody coil, or Damon here it is starting quarterback. I'm like this can't last like this. Like you can't there's no choice here. Right. Right. And then he had his meetings with dick curl to go over game. I mean it really showed a bad side of him. I think you know, I think it can be really bad. I mean look, when you look at Marvin Lewis and the Bengals and what they, did you actually say you don't want Marvin. Actually, this is a tough spot for him. He's doing a good job. Yeah. It's interesting, you right, how telvision that meet him can frame, opinions and for anybody who says, well, okay. It's one thing, the fans think that but what happens if everybody else, but I'm with you that I think that that's how listen opinions can be formed. Right. Medium is the message all that kind of stuff. So no doubt. And the only thing that's missing is HP. Oh, she go over to this one table at the Marriott. Where Davis ate dinner every single night at nine thirty and they should just fill it as if he were there. You know, I could come into the impersonation. Of the English cut prime rib. You know, I do it all. I mean he literally would have that meeting there. You would have to stay awake for that meeting to have dinner with him at eleven thirty. Every single time he's the boss. Whatever he says you do it. Right. There's so many goes to him, you know, there's so many like when you go on that field. There were so many ghost of him to see him. But he was the guy that wanted. Nobody how you know, I put in my column. You know, John Lennon's great song, strains as indeed, you know, I mean, could you imagine if our alive, any new a the raiders spent money on Antonio Brown, be the raiders did all the things they have to offense defensive lineman, who didn't run a forty in the fourth pick overall? And now they're letting fan letting the cameras come into this is so anti raider. It's unbelievable role in his grave as expression is TV guys, John FOX, of course, was Panthers coach bears head coach most recently. Now talking head taking shots at the bears when he was asked about the worst camp. He seemed for the. Season Emilio at the bears. Do you think there's truth to what John say or is this hour grapes? You know, I don't you know, look, I I've always been anti the bears a little bit because I think too many people put too much stock in this quarterback, Mitchell Trubisky like at some point, you got to be able to throw the ball with accuracy. I mean like I said last week on the podcast. I actually read where somebody was writing about how he's the best quarterback in the NFC north. I mean, are you kidding me? Seriously? I wouldn't go that far. I mean, you know, I think the challenge, what I think, John San is he didn't say this last year because I think he liked Vic Fangio. I'm not sure what he's saying is this is my interpretation. I don't have any facts that is he saying that Chuck Pagotto is not going to be as good as Vic Fangio. I think that's kind of what he's saying. And if he looks at it when you go deeper into it, you know, I think look, there's always going to be this team that plays that played that easier schedule bears that now have to take a step up and the games become much harder and. The game's become much more difficult. And I think Matt Nagy is going to have to figure out how does he utilize this? 'cause everybody, I'm not the only person who thinks Mitchell Trubisky is, is not going to be a blue chip player. I know the fans do I know that I understand that. But everybody in the industry that I talked to that, that watches pro tape for a living, they're not buying it. They're just not buying Bisky. And I think that the defense can they carry them? It's a little bit like the ravens Kila marr Jackson play outside his comfort zone. And if the ravens get behind can Lamar Jackson play up, are they going to be able to be because their defense isn't going to be as good. It's a little bit cause and effect like. And that's what happens if something was generating this part of your team that hid the other part, you got away with it? And I think that's where people misconstrued a little bit from year to year. So I think what FOX is saying is look the defense is literally fueled their offense. There's no doubt about the create a turnovers. He saying, maybe Gano might not be the right guy. That's fair. Then you're he's supporting Fangio. It's different way of looking at the dip. Outlook as well. Speaking of outlooks anytime here tampering. Ooh. Get some intrigue here. The patriots calling out another team for tampering. The other team says, okay. Down give us the details on this one. Well, I mean, look, I mean Nick Nick sorrows a true great soldier that works at the patriots. I mean, Nick does everything that Bill wants him to do. And he does it really, well he, you know, Nick has never really had to be the true GM because Bill really demonstrates all the work and bills praised Nick tremendously, and I think it's well deserved Nick works extremely hard. But I think Knicks at the point now where, you know, the one thing about the patriots that I think is common knowledge throughout the NFL is they're not the highest paid team in terms of the front office in the National Football League. So I think there's a chance that this happens. And I think that Nick put it in his contract, how I don't know, but he did put it in his contract that he wanted to have that he would not interview with anybody else. Now why he would sign that. I just don't know. But essentially, that's the breach wants he wants. He wants to talk to Houston. That's a breach of contract. And I think the patriots are ready to go to the mattresses to really enforce, what language that they had. And I think once Nick realized that, look, I can't make this go. They backed away. I think the story here really is more. The story here is more about, what do they do next because it sounds like they're not gonna do anything max. It sounds like Jack Easterby who was with us. All there has had this really unbelievable rise. I mean Jack is an incredible. He's a preacher. He held the he held the team meetings in terms of preaching. He was part of team development did a great job. Now, he's assuming the role of vice president, he'll tell you, hey, I'm just here to serve, but he's got a big job. It isn't just a service job. And I think it's going to be fascinated. See how they do it because people look at NFL teams and they manage them on a on a line to line basis. But there's gotta be a visionary in the front office. There's got to be somebody who says, hey. If we don't change this, and that we're not gonna be able to beat this team if we don't do this, or that, like that's what I think MRs, what the seventy Sixers if they had a visionary in the front office and said, hey, if we don't get a backup set. I know we have Amir Johnson on the team. Right. But Mayer Johnson can't help us beat Toronto in April or may. We'd better somebody's gotta make these comparisons as they look globally the league. It's called experience. I don't see that in Houston. I think Jack works at his job. But, you know, eighty when you go from one job to the next job, and all of a sudden you add titles, and a lot of cash to it, you didn't necessarily earn it you just got it. And I think like Peyton Manning has made a lot of people's career enhanced bills made other people's careers enhanced because all of us formed a part of what Bill was ultimately able to bring, yeah. It's the Bill Walsh, coaching tree similarly, you can say the Bill Belichick tree of all these cycles. Like I said, this a thousand times, like I'm a really good personnel guy with Bela check, I I'm not very. Good with somebody else that doesn't understand the culture that doesn't understand what he's doing. And I think that once these guys break away, I mean can Jackie's to be having a fact and still be in the front office. Now Jack's talk about Corinthians won eleven right? And then he's talking to the players. Now you add the bible into the player salary ho that's a whole other different game. And he can't say he's not going to affect player salary because he's talking to the players all the time. When you're the team chaplain, right in Casale says that we go into that thing, my mother used to make me go to every Saturday night. Confession. Right. And you tell the God like I did this, I did that you hell about twenty things back. You still got twenty how Mary's and forty our fathers right? Like if you're the team chaplain, and you're also in the front office. Do you think the players are going to be totally honest with, you know? I mean, look, I man, I can't stop. Drinking are look. I've been hanging out the titty bars to law that ain't gonna happen anymore. You can't do that job that's hard to do so how is your -ffective this going to be effective? Great point. Man. I think like moral complexity issues. It's like, listen sports should not be played for moral fiber. Right. Like we're just trying to win when you have too many people do one thing you're right? It gets complicated. Look what people don't understand when you walk into an NFL locker, or an MBA locker, they're not reading people magazine, or the sports page of USA today. They're reading the business page. They're all financial guys down there. And so when you when they think they can affect your earning power ho timeout. Like Jack when he was with the patriots. He was hearing confession now. He's vice president of team development. He ain't here in any confessions. Nobody's calling him on the phone. Here's the thing. That's amazing. People say all the time why do players why do players not utilize the service teams provide for. When they're drunk, the reason they don't utilizes because. If the if the limousine company calls the team and says, yeah, we just picked up Lombardi he was smashed. They don't want that they would rather have the risk of having something else. It's the same thing with this. How does this work like it worked in New England because there wasn't that there wasn't the linear affect of Easterby talks to the player talks to the guy who control salaries? And then it works out that, that line the players didn't draw. So they were open forthright with them. Now, I don't see it. And by the way, Lombardi's never smashed, he knows how to handle his is a handle on the road. Never an issue. Now, the one guy that'll be hilarious. How many beers Jon Gruden drink? When we watch hard- NAR two beers. John smash, it'll be give me some juicier that'll be hilarious. Couple of cores light. So be good. We'll get to the NBA just a second. Anthony Davis, one other NFL thought Todd Gurley arthritic knee is what they're saying. I mean eighteen arthritis like oh my God. This is already concern for the ramps and he's a young guy to have this issue isn't he? Yeah. No doubt. I was told this reliably that that the week that the last month of the season when Gurley was implying that somebody asked somebody at the Rams said, why doesn't girly place if you watched him on Wednesday or Thursday practice he can barely walk? I mean they get them to the game. And that's all they can. It's the same thing when you have an authentic knee, and you can't practice or your Joel Embiid. And you've got bad knees and you can't practice. You don't get in shape. You can't you can't you become unreliable this girly thing. Look, I've said it numerous times on this podcast. They gave them sixty million dollars guaranteed everybody in the league thought holy shit. Like, how could you do that? They did it. I'm thinking like to me. I think they might have blown the money because they're going to have to eat this thing. And I think girly we're talking about this. I think girly everybody should stay away from girly and fantasy, like he's going to have to prove it to me before I would take we talk about big risks. And that's what the Lakers, did at least in terms of what they gave up. They know they're getting an enormous investment, though with Anthony Davis. I mean, listen, the Brian says, give me a guy. All right. We got two AD. This guy's as good as it gets in the game top three top five player in the NBA, but you give up a ton Lonzo ball. Okay. Fine. Couple plays. Sure. But the three picks. And that's researchers say Mike. All right. Well, unprotected number four in what at least for this year's draft most, you're saying the top three outstanding with Zion Djalmir ran RJ bear, the Canadian. And after that, who knows. But when you see that tree, the first thing I thought of, I'm same Herschel Walker. You go down acid hall to give up now from the Lakers and the Braun huge win. If Davis is my God. The running mate to elevate this team great. But if you're the Norlin pelicans now you can really rebuild this team on the fly. Right. What, what I think the Lakers are saying, everybody's missing is basically they're saying most of you guys can't evaluate personnel. Like the question I think you should ask the Lakers. Would you make this trade if Jerry West picking the players knew he would hit on all those picks? Exactly. He would hit on all those picks. Right. Would you make this trade of Danny aines was picking in Boston because he would hit? On most of them. Right. Like, when you look at the seventy Sixers I mean, in the span of, of the last four drafts, two thousand sixteen to two thousand nineteen the Sixers have had five picks in the twenties. Six picks in the thirties and six more selections later in the round, they've had a bunch of picks and they have been able to hit on any of them other than Landry Shamet and maybe Bolden, but most of these picks they haven't. But when you look at other teams like Koussa who's the twenty seven th pick. How about this Kouzmin was not included in the package because he was more valuable than the guy that was picked second overall this trade to me comes down to basically, most people in the NBA are thumbing, their noses that you can't evaluate when we know this. There's, there was a top twenty survey done in the NBA nine players that were in the top twenty five we're picked picked in the top five two players were picked in a top ten six were picked top fifteen and seven were picking a top forty five. Now you just came back from a parade Sokha was picked a twenty-seven right coups was picked? Seven I mean, so, you know, Malcolm brogden he was picked thirty six. He's going to get a bullet. Like to me, this trade is truly about you can't evaluate NBA. Fuck you, we'll give you all these picks and you won't hit on any of them, because in the NFL this would never happen because even the worst GM could hit on two of these, these pixie and this high, I mean when you think about it like, how do you not pick this, like, how do you not say? I've got Zion Williams. Oh, my is the greatest player of all time, we'll go to dick, Vitale there. Right. And then you get the fourth pick overall who you could utilize for skills. Like if you have any talent as a team builder. This is a huge win for the Wallin's, right? Because you can build this team for generations. I mean literally zion's there he's you're building. Peace corps stone franchise player. And like you said the players, nobody's focusing on, like whatever Lonzo ball gives me at great, lavar ball's like all the Lakers are going to rue this whatever you want. It's the picks those lottery pixels are future stars generational talent. Like Philadelphia, tanked your Sixers tank and trust the process, etc. And if you're LeBron, I'm like, are you kidding me? Like even he's going to be thirty five years old. I believe all right. You're going for the championship this year next year. The warriors are now we can Durant's out for the year clay might not be back till March, Houston. Probably in it like LeBron, we could actually win this thing now, that's not everybody talks about how west is great the west really, we know Houston's of disaster. I mean everybody that I talked to in the NBA knows, Houston is a disaster internally the general manager, the head coach of they end up the gentleman ends up picking the staff, so you got some dysfunction going on there, whether it all works, not, I don't know. But to me, I think this is a slap at everybody's face saying, hey, you can evaluate like at some point there's a reason why the clippers turned it around. There's a reason why it goes back to the old saying evaluate the evaluator, if you can't evaluate you shouldn't be making these picks and most of the time, we're sitting there picking we trade up. We traded up. We traded up to get goddamn more. Airtel foles. I mean, seriously like you know, I mean that, and that's why these trades in the NBA, if I owned an NBA team, I would spend all my money on trying to break this evaluate the evaluator like who can find talent in the later because there's talent here. Now there's not a it isn't like a gold mine. But there's talent when you could sit here and start talking about players like who in this draft. You gotta be asking yourself who in this draft is Donovan, Mitchell who in the straffed is the is the brogden who in this draft is the last year. I wanted the Sixers they were picking, I don't know, twenty when they pick sham. I want them to pick you to Mitchell Robinson or the big kid from Texas, a and the Senate about those two backup centers now Mitchell Robinson, like he's non-tradeable. And he was picked the top second pick like think about it. Here's a kid play high school. I mean played high school in play college to me, I think there's a mythology that we all as fans have perpetuated that it's completely wrong. Is that you can't find talent in the second round and you can it's their Denver did it. Just to me, and this trades just slaps into that rhetoric. Let's talk over under Sears divisions. We're going to focus over to the NFC north now. So we've been going through division by division this wins hysterical. Because at least by the odds, Mike, there's three teams they all have at nine wins, and then the lines are pulling up the rear at six and a half. So go whatever order you like if you go bears Packers Vikings is all teams according to Vegas or all going to be nine and seven which is a little Vikings. I'm going over on the Vikings. I love the Vikings. They planted dome. I think that makes a difference, I think they'll be way better defensively. And I think Kerry kubiak is going to be the difference in kubiak will take what's going to happen. And I think he's gonna make Dalvand cook sensational. And I think all the Kirk cousins doubters, I think they'll be much better offense of -ly. I think Zimmer's kinda got the team he wants. Plus, he's got the offense coordinator is once I think they got a really good chance to be the over. I like them the win this division. I really do. I don't know what to make on the bears. I think. To me at the end of the day. Good defense coordinators know how to handle what na- Nagy does a lot of great things. But a lot of it is just he's trying to show you this to do that. I'm going to show this to do that. And if you take away, what he does really well and you don't fall into his traps. You know it's a little bit like when you when a guy negotiates a contract. And he says to you, what's the most important thing for you in this contract. And of course, naturally, the guy negotiating with says, well, the most important once you answer the question, you're fucked because now he's got he's going to give you that, right? And you're gonna get twenty things other things. Right. It's the same thing when you're watching his offense Nagy shows, you something that you think, oh my God. But in reality, what is the core, like, what is the most common, and I think that people that study that this year will get better. I think nine the right number for the bears. I really do. I think the Packers are the wild card for me. Like if you watch the Tennessee titans on offense. I don't know how the floor is a head coach. I think that will Mike pet and be. On defense. Boy, Mike, there's a lot of thing that gets caught. I don't know about the Packers. The one thing I do know I think it's going to be really hard for the lines that I do know. Yeah. Six half you feel like okay. That's maybe the under we've talked Stafford off the field challenges, etc. Maybe there are six and ten team. She got Vikings. Let's say ten and six when the division bears are probably a push it night. So you think the pack. Give me the Packers go from eight to ten and six is at the broad range. I think they usually could do that. I think that we're looking at, we're looking at so much parody within the league. And I think if Rogers likes this offense, here's what I do know Rogers doesn't like to turn his back at a defense that I do know for fact. Okay. So this offense is a lot of turn your back to the defense now, whether he'll tolerate or not. I don't know. We also know that Rogers in a fan of throwing hot off a certain situations. He wants to throw hot. He doesn't want to hold the ball. He's comfortable. The one thing I've learned in life is Tom Peters. The great management. Guru taught taught this years ago. It's harder to retrain than train. They're trying to retrain Aaron Rodgers. And I think as great as he is an I'm one of his biggest fans, I think it's going to be hard to retrain them. And I'm just not sure how good the Packers will be on defense because it's hit or miss with with pattern. He could hold you down. Or you could get up a bunch of points. And then you gotta worry about their injury situation. Are they going to be able to stay doorbell? Right. That's all issues durability. All right. We're going to. Last one we had a focus here is teams you'd like to see and the drought and we just saw the Saint Louis blues when their first ever Stanley Cup, fifty two years of existence. Of course, the raptors when their first championship or I just wasn't Toronto, as far as teams in the NFL see win. Here's the options bills owned four never one Vikings Owen to the lines of never wanted Super Bowl. The Browns have never won the SuperBowl of those for multiple choice. Mike Lombardi, which will is would you most like to see our love see the Browns when because I was at the Browns twice I have great affection for that, that, that, that helmet. And I think it would be unbelievable to see that city. Celebrate a Super Bowl, I think it would be it would blow the doors off Lake Erie might sink. It would be remarkable if they could. I don't know if it can happen within the next five years. I'm not sure that are they would, you know, I found interesting this year was the two teams that won titles wanted them on opposing courts. You know, Bill Parcells used to say to me all the time, the greatest sound of all is the sound of silence visiting stadium like. You don't hear any Chirpin when you went on the road like that's the greatest sound of all time to be able to listen to that when you're walking back the locker to celebrate on the court when nobody gives a shit or to celebrate on the ice when nobody gives a shit like really seriously. It was anybody in the stadium in Toronto, a celebrate and they all went home beat the traffic. Gotta get on the eight eighty and the raptors one three at oracle. This is one of the great hometown crowds. Homecourt advantage is the last five years the NBA and they beat him three times there. Let's create what does that tell you, as the GM of the warriors, you gotta say when we lose home games were not very, there's a reason it is just something more. It's like it's like the Minnesota Vikings. Would they lose in the dome? There's something that's bothering you like if you're Alanna falcons, and you don't have ten and six record because of that dome. Then there's something wrong with your team. And it's because probably evaluated yourself, too much at home than you have on the road. And one of the thought for the blues you talk with success stories. They were in last January third. It's one thing to go start of the season. And worst. I there lasted jayder third six, they win a Stanley Cup hockey's unpredicted on the road. They went in Boston, which is supposed to be a hard place to blind and dominate. They ran away with it. The only thing that would help them would have been that walrus from Geico. That would have been the only could kept him away. And by the way, just shut up those boisterous. Boston fans billable at spoil her lies fifteen. No doubt. I mean the Red Sox are good. I mean they've had they've had a good run. Now, there's no doubt I'll work we find your next. If you like you're always doing other speaking, gauge -ment. So you're just invade. Could we're going to be next? I'm going to Milwaukee this week. I've got a speaking engagement out at Lake Geneva, which I'm Jack four. I've never been to Lake Geneva. So I'm gonna go out there. I'm going to do that and national sociation of engineers, which will be fun. So that'd be great. That'd be fun. Go to. There's nothing like going to Milwaukee and hanging out there. You know all those. Cheeseheads syllabi fun. Yeah. Brought. How about you? What do you now? What do we have on? What are we doing now? What are we doing Aladdin, which is in theaters really funny show called Rami on Hulu? We're also talking sopranos, I'm going to have you on at some point. We're going to guest guest spots sopranos. You just tell me favorite episodes favorites. I feel like you and I will go to hours on it but we're talking about season one today. Couple episodes. I love legend of Tennessee multi with Gregg screenwriter and Boca, which is episode. I love because it shows code of junior when they find. Out what he does to his girl, the way, Tony Moxham on the golf course. And the way that junior reacts Shelvin the cake it or face. That's amazing to me. Hammy the sweep peppers police. I love what he's laying in the bed Hemi the peppers, and she fees the best best. I gotta get the Cup. He has a. Season one so good. I could watch season one again. I mean, I, I think my, my one of my all time favorite ones is in season three. It's called second opinion. It's when it's about junior going to the doctor and it's about, you know, John Kennedy because he loved that name because what people don't understand it. When you grow up in talian culture, the Italians thought the doctor was truly the closest thing to Jesus Christ. Like literally with my mother came the doctor said like he could never be wrong like he I never possibly be wrong. You know, and it's always the best doctor, like have you ever? Somebody said their doctor their go to is in the best seinfeld's line went time because, you know, they always say nine and a ten doctors recommended, but listen at every graduating class had to be doctors who the worst doctors in there. Where did they go where they worked, but good luck? I can't wait to listen. I'll be listening. I integrate teammate, and I was appreciated retweeting and having fun on Twitter and have fun at Lake Geneva. All right. Thank you. We'll talk next week.

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Eli Manning Retires, Matt LaFleurs Green Bay Evaluation, 2020 Pro Bowl

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Eli Manning Retires, Matt LaFleurs Green Bay Evaluation, 2020 Pro Bowl

"Now Me Lombardi are both Jersey guys but I wish that we live closer. By because last night there was the Virk Lombardi Bowl Raptors and sixers. I would have been nice to have some popcorn between the two of US before we get. Eli Manning. Thirty seconds last bike. How about Fred Family Big Win for the raptors last night on ESPN? I mean when he sees the sixers xers uniform. He disliked shoots seventy eight percent from the field. It's like ridiculous. Like I mean he should carry a seventy sixer uniform white red or blue around with them. I mean it's absurd. Yeah I mean look I think to be honest with you. Have you paying attention to the sixers. There's a sense of urgency with their team. They play hard as hell. They weren't very good but they're sending a subliminal message to 'em bead that hey fell you come back you gotta play matches intensity look. We weren't good enough last night but you gotTA match US intensity. I actually think it's been a blessing blessing that he's been hurt. It's amazing to think by the way five teams within two and a half games. Milwaukee clue the best and everybody else's lumped together Miami Toronto Philadelphia you name. Ah Yeah and it's only GonNa get tighter and tighter wants. His trade deadline comes in. And I think that's what the sixers are trying to wait on his trade deadline and see if they can get one more shooter to add to their team. I think they play good enough defense. They obviously don't shoot good enough and you know he's got a comeback. I mean look take you know. Here's the thing if you're an embiid fan. Look at him be when he was a Kansas hands and look at his body today like he hasn't changed his body and it's hilarious. How the media never gets on him because he's Joel embiid like an Simmons? Simmons had didn't have the same game that he's been having for the past week and immediately. It's like Simmons Sucks. You know. It's like it's unbelievable and Simmons is by far their best player like he's by far their best player. I think people get Joel. EMBIID is unconscionable considering what his actual results are versus what you think he's going to be. It proves this point an alkyl. Junior proved this point two when he went to go see Kennedy. They say this doctors that are kind to their patients that are engaging and look them in the I rarely get sued for malpractice and so the point here is embiid so kind and generous to the media. He never gets sued from how practice even though he's out of shape you know whatever Kennedy said junior agreed with right. It's the same thing and I think that's really the lesson here. It is true. Treat the media. Well they'll look after you you're you're right Colorado and embiid separated. We've got a major topic to get here by the way next week. GM shuffled great news. Folks Mike Pumping podcast every single day. Okay every single day. Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday leading up to the Super Bowl. We'll break down. Everything need to know whether Super Bowl and today we've got a major topic which is Eli Manning calls it quits and let me get this out of the way right now. Is he a hall of Famer. Yeah but I don't think it should be Mike Ever GonNa keep mentioning two times a role mbH Yup two time superbowl champion. Four time pro bowler but this guy was never the top five at his position. Never the top three decision ally. Manning is one of the best quarterbacks in football you never said that he got hot at the right time and certainly made some great plays but he's also a guy. The giants miss the playoffs. Nine of the last eleven seasons that begin with him as the starter Mike. You're supposed to elevate the players around you didn't do that. And there's one loss record heard is even Steven. He's five hundred one hundred seventeen one hundred seventeen. He's going to get the gold jacket but I don't think you should necessarily I think a lot of people just get blown away the two super bowl championships. Yeah I'm not sure. The hall of fame is truly the hall of fame. I think it's really become a political animal more than anything and I mean we can debate. Who doesn't belong and who does and I think this you know? Warren Moon's in there and I really question why I mean Warren's numbers are incredible but he never won so there's the reverse to allies. He's won two super bowls you know and it's a little bit. It reminds me of this book. I'm reading about the Comanche. Warriors and this one Texas ranger figured out that if you kill the chief of the Comanche warriors because he's commanders were incredible fighters they could fight on horses or mustangs were fast. They could cover zillion miles. They could shoot an Arrow from a moving horse at twenty miles an hour. I mean they were roofless. I mean some of the gory. Details of growing coming up in Texas and Oklahoma during the eighteenth century and all that is really gruesome however that being said this one Texas ranger figured out. If I kill the comanche she chief everybody retreats and the parallel here to ally. Manning is if you win super bowls you get in right. All it takes is winning super bowls all it takes his killing the comanche warrior. All it takes his super bowls and you win the fight and I'm back and forth on this I mean he's eight and four in the playoffs. He had five. Great Road. Wins since I mean really might carry should be the present them because might carry calls in the grasp right if Mike carry calls in the grass before David tyree every throw we might not even be having this discussion. If Asante Samuel catches the interception on the sideline we might not be having this conversation. And I get your point i. I don't disagree with you like the debate really is is he all famer if I had a vote to me. He's not a first ballot hall of fame. Don't even go down that road right no way but yeah I mean. They picked the wrong player. Philip rivers was better than him. And that's a great point. Because I was texting with a buddy of mine. He said. Listen you don't think rivers would shade his career for Manning. I said. Listen that is a very lazy argument to say. Just because of a couple of super bowls that meeting is better than philosophers. Don't give me that all right. There's a couple of lighting a bottle plays we all know you mentioned that the catch tyree and the past Manningham as well. Those are two gigantic plays. Eli made no question about it but this is what Dion Sanders said. Okay and this is your point Mike. About Hall of fame being you know diluted football immortality used to be reserved for players who redefined their position made a big impact on the game and this is Dion Sanders saying he didn't embody any of those three points. You think about that redefined. Their position made a big impact on the game and dominated their position for a period of time. He didn't do that. No and and look. That discussion isn't really just about the on that discussions about what's happening going on and thank God ballot check and some other people that understand the game. I think Rick Kozulin does a great the job but some of these people that are getting hall of fame. I mean that was my first reaction when bill cower got in like yeah he's good but I thought Jimmy Johnson belonged before him. You you know and then of course Jimmy got in as well so yeah. I'm with Dionne on this. I think they've really relaxed the rules of the hall of fame. It's something other than an exclusive men's ends club. It really isn't it's like they've opened the membership a also too many interceptions which is always an issue as well. I mean I and I get people can say well Ben. Rothlisberger drew brees for the best quarterbacks their generation but those guys again we're in the top three top five discussion. There's no question about it. I mean that just because you played in the era of Tom Brady. That's different for me. Eli through too many picks and listen. This is Mike. Let's be honest part of it. Tujia last name okay. East part of the manning name and that's going to help his candidacy as well right right. No I mean. Let's face it. This is an election right and if you can carry the southern southern primaries and in this you're GonNa win. I mean I mean look it. Just say ally would've had this career in Kansas City right if he would've had this career in Kansas City. How how much would it have been a tainted I on how much with all those interceptions? How much of you know? He played two years too long. Even though the giants kept putting them out there you know I give them a lot of credit for retiring. He didn't want to become humiliated. And not get an offer. And you know people saw his talent dwindling. Even though Dave Gettleman said two years ago that E had five more years left on the tapis watching I mean meanwhile I said at the time Dave needs an eye exam I mean there was just no way but to me. It's a it's a hard one because of those two wins. Those two wins stand above and beyond on but then Warren Moon's in with his numbers. I mean look at Joe Namus numbers. They're horrendous. Lot of picks Joe name a lot of interceptions. They're horrendous right. So and yet he won on that one super bowl he guaranteed victory and then he had no durability one thing about now he has door he had door ability. There's no doubt his best ability. deathly was availability. No question but but I I think your point look if you're not in the top five year position at the time you're playing. How in the hell can you get in the hall of fame? I think you're dead right. I think you're dead right. I appreciate it. I agree with you that I do think he is making the right decision stepping down. Now I'll give him credit he could hung on somewhere starter for some bad team. No It's good step aside. Now do what you gotTa do our make me smarter segment now about matlock floor. If case you missed the gym shuffle. Last week. Take a listen because mice got an excellent nickname for about leflore. Ajay hope catch on. No Big Daddy. Vince Lombardi Cardiac we call him big daddy in the family events who I need to get on the pod. I mean he's ready to go. He's got his notes all in front of him his ready to go with his commentary on the packers and what needs is to be moved forward so maybe one day next week. We'll get him on. I gotta get my man who hates putting on as well to just explain you know what his phobias about pawners so we need to go through do that. Yeah but leflore right now when asked about whether or not he's going to retain his defensive coordinator. Mike Pattinson I mean. We're still working through everything right now. He's a sit down with team President Mark Murphy and start making some decisions and that's one part of it. Here's the other thing that caught my eye mike. Well I still can't understand his team's lack of urgency especially in the first half during that blowout loss to the niners in the NFC championship game. On Sunday this is the quote. That's something I'm still trying to figure all right now as we speak. I mean I don't understand that because you're there you have an opportunity to go to play in the super double effort that to happen. It's extremely it's bothersome. We have to look at ourselves. Everybody I'M GONNA look inside of myself and see why we weren't our players playing with their hair on fire. I think everybody everybody in our organization has to do that. What's he talking about lack of fires and that on the coach not to motivate the guys? I mean I think it is. I mean look. I'm not trying to pick on the fuck as Vince would call them. The reality of it is is is like this. Is Your team right. You were one for fifteen on third down the last time you play them you go for four in the first half anybody who's watched that tape up and I've talked to a lot of people in the NFL since podcast on Monday and all of them agree like all of them are like look. This is what happened Tennessee. And there's a lot of people that believed he he wasn't GonNa come back as Tennessee's the offense coordinator before Murphy appointed him the king of all things Green Bay and so the disconnect here is remarkable and and I think the lack of experience Syrians in terms of being a head coach. Like does he really evaluate what's going on like at some point you know does patent deserve to be under scrutiny shore. Anytime you only allow eight passes. This is thrown against you and you never stop the run. You never set the edge. But this just wasn't on pet and this was on this whole team the preparation the ability to motivate and inspire in in how to play the game like he calls plays without understanding how to play the game. You're not going to beat the forty niners just calling place. You're not going to beat the forty forty niners running beaters. If you don't attack the rules in their coverages the rules in the coverage is not there coverages. You never going to beat them. He still doesn't understand that. And so oh this isn't I'm not like I don't have a thing for the floor I really don't I mean this is just fact. He's honest with himself. He should almost fire himself because his game plans all year. We're not very very good. I mean he went over ten. Is the offense coordinator for the Titans against the Baltimore Ravens last year. This has been a pattern of being poor on third down his whole career. Like this didn't happen in San Francisco in week twelve. This has been like all season long with one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time so for me you know I think he looks at it. Now look here's the reality. Trace Armstrong represents the floor any represents Mike Pet. So you know they're not gonNA be able to make too much of a move there she like usually guys will call their agents up say You know what we get advice from him you know what's you know. How do you put yourself in that position? So Look I. I think they have to really evaluate where they are. They need somebody in that building green. Okay who has expertise on really what needs to help leflore what they should be doing is hiring somebody to help. Leflore not contemplating trying to get rid of patent because I think ultimately a low floor. You'll be helping pet. My brother's huge bears fan. He was so happy he was listening to this week on Chicago. Radio giving hope to bears fan saying don't worry the packers are not going. It'll be that great for that long. The way the organization is headed and I totally agree with that. I mean you can talk about all this look. They benefited from a tremendous schedule. You know I think they're point wait. Differential was fifty one points over there. Thirteen or fourteen. Whatever how many wins? They had right so they played. They won a lot of close games. Now you and I both know. We've watched enough sports in career that one year you win close games the next year. You don't win. Close Games like that could easily shift right. And even though you have the greatest quarterback in football he wasn't playing at the highest level his yards yards per attempt might be one of the lowest in his career this year. So you really didn't have that going for you so like if you're a bears fan I mean obviously you know you've got your own issues with uh-huh vp Mitch. She got to deal with that. You Know How many times I've gotten sent on twitter the MVP Mitch at the quarterback challenge him not being able to complete a pass house over. The mirror could set like daily right like it's unbelievable. Yeah like Lombardi. Have you seen this. Yeah like I've I've seen like unfortunately bears fans a living get live seen it. You guys gotta live it every week. Right stay tuned after the break here the GM shuffle both of the Ohio. NFL team. Some big time decisions to make. We'll tell you what we mean. Stick around we've hope you've been enjoying brilliant sound your way. A on Sonos. Every Sonos speakers designed from the inside out for incredibly detailed sound deep bass than fine tuned by Oscar and Grammy Winning Producers Mixers and artists artists. And Trust me for somebody WHO's deaf in one ear which I am. It's hard for me to hear Stereo. The sound coming out of a Sonos speaker is remarkable. It's clear and for me me. It does sound like Stereo. 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The team has no interest in trading with the first pick. His answer was drum. Roll please that's news to me over the past week. It's reported not only the bengals locked in and staying at the top of the draft that they're fully invested in drafting. Joe Borough with that Pick Tobin knows better than to outright. Confirm it in late. January saint quote. I don't know that any decision has been made for. We're going to do in April where early in the process. We certainly haven't had any meetings to determine that at this point there will be means. We'll go through this process. Come on their drafting jober right here. Mike what are you gonNA do. I mean I think it's all just all. This is what we talked about on the pod is this is is all Andy Dalton protection. This is like reinforcing the Andy Dalton issue to get more value for Andy Dalton. I mean when it comes out and you know you're picking borough eve immediately devalued you'd Andy Dalton so now you've got a pump antidote backup. Look I can honestly say this team having dealt with the Cincinnati bengals Cleveland whether it's New England or whether it's an Oakland Oakland training with Mike Brown is near impossible damn near impossible and Mike Brown is pretty much set in his ways and although I mean I appreciate Duke Tobin coming out and speaking for the bengals. Nobody speaks for Mike. Mike Brown's running that team K.. Brown all the. That's WHO's running and to get him to make a trade. I mean I know teams that have tried to trade for Alex Wide Receiver. WHO's a seventh on the depth chart and clearly clearly? He isn't anywhere near what they pay him for. Like the six or seven feet. But you can't even he won't trade him. He won't train them like trading with him as damn near impossible. So this whole notion that they're not GonNa pick borough I I don't believe it. I think Duke's doing what a good employee needs to do. Which is buff up Danny Dalton and make it seem like it look? They've got their own issues. You know listening to people call me from the senior bowl this week. Talking about how bad. The bengals of practices practices are how disorganized they look and all that I think the issues in Cincinnati run deeper than just. WHO ARE THEY GONNA pick? I think this is going to be a big year for Zack Taylor. Because I think if you're Mike Brown You almost think now. I've gone down the David Shula era. You know back when. Cincinnati hired a young. David Chu. Who really wasn't ready to be head coach? It's going to be really interesting to see. What Zack Taylor does? Next year. Because it's either now or never and the best things activity can do for. His career is draft Joe Burrow. Because that'll save him. That might save him if he comes comes back with Andy Dalton and goes to and fourteen which he could easily do it. You know he's done. Yeah I lived. We're GONNA talk a lot of borough and all the challenges that he can present for. NFL defense defenses. But you and I agree. He's a special player. He's GonNa be a great player but you're right. The bengals have so much more work to do beyond a franchise quarterback but he can't begin the building without a franchise which is quarterback right. It's like building a house. We can eat foundation first. And then we'll figure this thing out and it's going to take some time but if you don't get the foundation built if you don't get the franchise quarterback which is there for the taking Joe Borough then you've got a whole host of other problems you're right it's smart to come out and say well we're going to kind of wait to assess it but this is going to be the no brainer of no brainers. You're drafting borough. You'LL TRAE DOLL DO I. I think there's a market for me. The team will say we'll take a fire this guy why not. I think that'll happen but burroughs. A No brainer. Yeah I mean. Look if you're Carolina right and you're in a transitional state with Cam I mean you don't think is going to come back. Andy Dalton comes in you get him to play. Well you get some. It's a little bit like anti redid bringing Alex Smith in there. You know at some point. You may not be able to get a quarterback in the strap it may be a year away. An antidote may be able to get you good before you get great like that's the whole thing when you take over losing team you gotTa get good before you you get great and what you don't want to do is maybe what the giants have done. Which is draft Daniel Jones? Is he great. Maybe he's just good. You know if the giants had the first pick pick in the draft. Would they take borough over. They keep Daniel Jones. Answer that really that Batman like seriously what would they do right. And that's where you don't WanNa be in that situation you don't want to have a guy in the next year's draft be significantly better than the got you just took. It's a little bit back to the mahomes debate right. You could pass them a home. So you're going to have to defend his ass like you know. What are you doing here? What are we doing and is he in his this guy generational do you think Joe Generational or do you think Daniel Jones's that's the question question and so allows you to look over the landscape over the short term you know? It's it's a little bit like with Charlie. Munger always says about people that that think in the short short term and they tried to be smart. You know that sometimes in the short term when you try to be smart you end up being the dumbest person in the room. That's a really good line. Make me smarter. Continues Continues Kevin's to fancies with the Minnesota. Vikings for fourteen seasons survived a lot of regime. Changes in those years finally left this off season to agree to come the next head coach of the Cleveland browns fancies. He's hired before the Browns chooser general manager isn't always the way teams do things so George Peyton. Currently the vice president player personnel and assistant general manager of the Vikings. This is coming on Wednesday for second interview with a team. Of course Mike. You'd many years Cleveland Browns. You know it's like being a manager there and trying to build a winner. I listen. Everyone had a lot out of opinion. Just about the fact that browns are doing this to the reverse the head coach first and then go the GM. But what do you think about. George Peyton specifically. Well I think George has been for a lot of jobs and certainly he hasn't quite been able okay interviewed for the Indianapolis Dhabi's interviewed for Jobs. And I think he's probably got to the point. Where do I take one or do I sit back and think my next opportunity comes up which it may never come up and I think that you know? Obviously the Cleveland. One is a little bit treacherous in the sense that you're walking into an analytical based personnel department that is fueled by a guy who's running it who's based on analytics and you know so you would think Andrew Berry would be the natural fit but you're also partner with the head coach which helps right so that could help you men the two things together. I think if Peyton felt like he didn't have another opportunity. Now tell me there's going to be a lot of there could be significant movement the GM shares after the draft This off season and maybe he feels like he does something there or maybe he feel like he gets an in with someone there. I don't know but but I think his decision is do I take this and pat and weight or do I just go in there and jump full force in there and see what happens and obviously it's all going to come down to his relationship what Stefanski and how they get along and then you know how. He's going to manage that situation in Cleveland. which in spite of all the conversations that happen outside the building people tell me? See that you know. It's really not exactly you know someone said to me yesterday. And all the interviews. They never talked about what it takes to win. They only talked about analytics which is a terrible double science we said before analytics means information. That is a good thing the gathering and accumulation of information but analytics at the the mercy of Scouting and football knowledge. Collagen instincts will. That necessarily isn't a good thing. What are the chances Mike? The browns are confusing. George Peyton with George Patton like maybe they think they're going to get George C.. Scott in front of a giant American American flag didn't give a big speech rally. The troops like Baker Mayfield. And wouldn't it be great. I mean really You know I'm sure he probably loves the sting of battle you know. Americans love the stink of battle. I'm sure he probably does. I do WANNA go to Belgium and I want to see that cemetery. There's no way I'm I'm GonNa live on this earth without seeing that where he was buried as a soldier in all those field they say going on a Normandy and Omaha beach and all. Those places are just incredible and after Reading Salinger and the book by Sharon and knowing that Salinger was actually crossed crossed into Normandy on the invasion had parts of Catcher in the Rye written in his backpack makes me wanna go even more sound on your favorite books. You've tweeted that before unbelievable. It's it's an incredible book. I mean I want to valley forge military academy and that's for Salinger went Milton. Baker was the founder of the school. Who really wrote letters on behalf? J. D. Salinger's so there's a kindred spirit between not not that I'm anywhere near the writer that salaries but you know obviously writing and all that and and his fascination in terms of becoming a recluse in writing every single day without any publications I mean. I think it's I stuff is gonNA come out next year that he wrote in that cabin up in Cornell New Hampshire which you know it's it's interesting people sit at the corner wait for them to come down to go get his mail. You know and and the whole saga between O'Neill and the hurricane forest battles. He was in images really and in fact he he married what they believed to be as a Jew Oh he married a German Gestapo Secret Service agent and brought her to the United States. I no idea about that. I mean it sounds the smith logical characters. But that's crazy. Yeah no that's why the books incredible I mean the books I mean you just sit there and turn every page you're like holy heck and it's a book that really paints a different light onto what's what's going on and I mean it's just really well. We're sorry cool. All right coming up Mike. Now Talk Jay. GRUDEN resurrected Jacksonville plus. There's a stunning moment involving doing the pro bowl. We have to get into that next all right time now for Joe's questioned the week before we get to the pro bowl Joe. What do you have for us so Jay Gruden said to Jacksonville? Jaguars wars new offensive coordinator. I have two questions for you. Guys with all the shakeups that happened at the end of the season will hiring help or hurt the Jaguars and do you think you'll ever get shot at being a head coach in the NFL again. Listen I think the Jaguars got a lot of issues there. When it comes to their offense we both love Minzhu here the mustache and he's a fun to watch watch but they're going to get their running game going? They thought they had the answer. Leonard Fournette and obviously things have been up and down there. I don't think he's GonNa get another shot being head coach. Mike unless he's electrifying the Jacksonville Jaguars I and I don't use the word electrified with Jacksonville offense. At least the way my brain sees this happening now on your branch pretty well. I think what you're GonNa see Jacksonville's now going into west coast. Maybe Jay will run on a little run pass option stuff. I mean the debate is going to be as Nick foles. There's going to be meant you. I think the issue here is look this Jacksonville team. At least they're united. I mean this is how bad bad they were internally within their organization is Tom Coughlin was the vice president of all things right. He had everything. He made his office on the head coaching side aside and he was in the head coach's office and Doug Marrone was in a coordinator's office. Think about this now. Think about this. Coughlin comes in there and says I'm the King of all kings. I'm really the head coach. But even though I'm a vice president of football operations I'M GONNA take the head coach's office and Doug You you go sit in one of those coordinator's office over there more work from here. I mean think about that now. Just removing him from the building's going to save them but I mean look they still have the Dave colwell issue can he actually picked players. We'll see last nine years. They've lost ten games or more. I think there's a lot of personalities on that Jacksonville staff that are kind of set in their ways. George wore hop has as an offensive line coach. He's experienced got Terry robiskie coach and running back. I mean there's a lot of things it's going to be hard for Jada get everybody unified on one page. It's going to really require marrone. A Challenge C. J. Ever getting a head coaching job again. I I think Jay is GonNa have a hard time winning down Jacksonville. Jacksonville has been a terrible team. Aside from the aberration the one year of Saxon accent building made a push. AFC They'd just been a mess the Pro Bowl Minnesota Vikings quarterback Xavier Rhodes names a pro bowl replacement long with four of his teammates including kirk cousins since but roads and have a good year according to pro football focus. Among the hundred and twenty quarterbacks who played three hundred plus snaps only six had lower pro football football focus grades the roads in fifteen games. He didn't end up with a single interception enforced. Just one fumble Mike Lombardi what the hell is going on. How Xavier Xavier Rhodes a pro baller? He's not I mean let's just call the pro bowl do you want a free trip to Orlando game. I mean that's really what it is like when. MVP Mitch got there last year. It was like are you you serious like you know exurbia roads. I mean when you put down the point of emphasis to go play Minnesota number one thing attacking savior roads but with in and out movement. He doesn't handle quickness has a hard time covering man to man I mean look what can I say I mean you know. They put this game on and the players. Don't WanNA play in it. You know they're better off playing tag a game. They're better off doing something else because nobody really wants to play in it so now. They're going down to levels. That are ridiculous and if you have a pro bowl now most teams are smart enough to do this when when they write their pro bowl bonuses. It's only paid us if you're a first ballot pro bowl like if you got in like Christian McCaffrey. He got in on the ballot right so he would earn it now. Now some teams put an you gotta go play to get the money you gotta be in the game or some just said if you earn it but if you're a second or third fourth generation pick like roads you you don't really earn a pro bowl bonus so you've got to be you have to use the distinction to do it because if not like this is becoming the hall of fame. I mean. It's just like whoever wants to get in get in. It's always amazing to me. Mike all of us can agree as football fans that the game is a sham. And it's tough to watch nobody's tackling. It's embarrassment like it's a free trip and yet the ratings are still good for like. I'm always made. It just shows the power of football. There's like eight million people in this country who still watch the pro bowl. Even though it's horrible football it must pain you as a football August through and through to watch us and go nobody cares. Everybody's mailing it in like it's like the NBA All Star Game One hundred sixty two hundred and fifty six. Who Watches this crap? Yeah I mean to me the NBA All Star Games a little bit like watching the going to a Harlem globetrotters game and the skill level of the players is kind of what you're watching and it's loose and it's fun. You know I get that game this game game. I don't get you know it's really not an but look let's face it. I mean we love football. Now we're really going to test our football love two weeks from now when the XFL starts and in Jersey just passed yesterday that they're allowed to put numbers up and people can bet on XFL games and that's going to be really to see how much betting writing helps a new league form and keep going and what those ratings are going to be like. That's what I think's GonNa be fascinating. That is going to be interesting because you're right especially here in Jersey. I mean people you want to gamble on anything you want John and the XFL We all know the popularity of football beyond the fact. That's great sport is helped enlarge fantasy football by gambling so if you can pull the money on the XFL. I think the absolute will help its chances inches of surviving. No doubt no doubt. And Look McMahon doesn't need ratings right away he just needs to get the whole thing was built for vetting. I mean this whole league is built for more more things to bet on you know and I think the casual fan once he gets into it. That's why ratings are up in the NFL ratings are up in the NFL because everybody has some form of action whether it's a dollar parley Marla or whether it's one hundred thousand dollars or four hundred and five thousand what. My Man. Four Zero Five K.. Up A kit etiquette. I mean whatever it is you know everybody's got some kind of action on it and so I think that helps drive the ratings. While said you can read Michael Lombardi in the athletic also. Listen to him on visa and we'll be back with. 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Ezekiel Elliot, Jared Goff, Betting Advice

"Listen up. There's only a few days left on one of the best plays of the year. That's right mattress. Firm's labor day sale ends tuesday so hurry in for your chance to save like a pro roll. School is back in session in jersey and football is back in session tomorrow. The season begins in earnest packers and bears. That's why we have a rare rare in studio appearance avia mike lombardi reunite again. You've got a good tan going you lost some weight roman hope i lost weight. I mean god forbid. I you know i got to do something. I mean my poor before. I got to see my grandkids. I got i got to see them. Grow old and this fat ass got out of it. You know it's like okay. Put the fork down. I you know it's the damnedest thing because you know milley's. Milley's really a good cook when she goes away. That's when i can lose weight. It's the best time because then i i the the key is the fork like you could. All these weight loss diets. I mean i mean all due respect that marie osmond but the fucking fork is really the thing. It isn't marie osmond. It's the fourth the four down right like you know we had had a guy at the raiders used to do the greatest al davis impersonation like literally he could do all i need to get him on the show because i think people would appreciate he would do how all is name was jack bar height he would do ow and mrs davis talking on the phone to one another and he would do both voices. Oh my god that scrape boy is coming home tonight and then he would do oh okay. You're coming home and it would do mrs davis who's the most wonderful woman all time right and he would do a back and forth but he would also also do dr phil and it would be like doctor. Phil's advice was don't do it right. I don't pick up the fork right like don't pick up the biggest thing you can't outrun a bad diet. You can't outrun a bad. I'm sixty years living proof of that. God damn thing dogs for a walk. You get your child but i but that fork is the killer i if i removed from the house. I think it'd be better shape well. That's the biggest thing people go. What's the hardest way of ludwig. I'm just always hungry. I kind of one earlier. I'm starting to starve like i got this. I got this three hundred interpol man living inside of me and i can't keep them down like i beat them up like a stop but anyway football when there's joy in the world like is there a better time of the year than september two his kids in school was. How good is that awesome right. It's always bittersweet emotion but you go kids are back at school. They get a routine again. <hes> the weather's still nice. It's not as humid now football back. It's it's going to be nice all all through the month of september. It's the greatest thing is this time of the i can't. I can't appreciate it. It's so great to be on the east coast time of the year. Now we talked about getting fed well. Somebody needed to get paid and that was the zeke elliott so as you had said mike you listen jerry. Jones will figure out a way to get them all paid. He took care of zeke for now. Source telling e._s._p._n.'s edward or fifty million guaranteed six year extension this surpasses todd gurley. He had forty five mil. Guarantee is the most for an n._f._l. Running back now zeke's only twenty four years of age so you always think about magic number thirty thirty for running back right twenty four six extension take until he's thirty he was set to make three point eight million two thousand nine hundred ninety nine million on the fifth year option in twenty twenty so his total compensation happen sation through two thousand twenty six is more than one hundred million dollars now with this deal. The option goes away right so that there will be a new deal replaces. The option and jerry got language in the contract to offset z goes off the reservation so that protect them so to me like these guarantees. We make a big deal out of them because the n._f._l. And historically has never been a guarantee league but these guarantees like you're not gonna cut zeke and if he gets hurt. You're gonna have to have an insurance policy to protect you but you can't cut him if he's hurt you know alex. Smith has guarantees that are injury protected. That's why he's still going to get paid at the redskins so i i think the guarantee gets overpaid overplayed a little bit in the sense that ed you're always this guy is too young. You're always going to play them. You're not gonna cut him. In the next five years and look let's face it the last twenty three games with zeke on the field when he has twenty only two or more carries the cowboy nineteen four now. You could say well lombardi. No that's great a fake number twenty to know that number that number is relevant to their defense fence which we know is nine and owen games when they play less than thirty minutes so you had those two things together when zeke's carrying it twenty times or more they're going to win. There's nineteen and four isn't about that like it's about zeke carrying it running it doing his thing and it's their defense plan less deal to is. Is there enough money now to get paid for everybody. What else can now get paid can get paid these numbers. Can the clapper get paid exactly. I you know i think jerry. I don't think jerry's can take the stance that i would take on doc but i think he did the right thing. He had his he had to get this running back paid. I think look the fact is the guy's really a unique player that he is a playmaker. He does more more than just run the football. He controls the defense. I think we get so caught up in in in the receivers in the spread right. It's the back that makes the spread. If the box has to be loaded in the spread then all of a sudden it helps the receivers if the box doesn't have to be loaded in the spread then all of a sudden receivers have more trouble so i if you you built this offense around him and look if you're jason garrett now this week he's only gonna play so fantasy people out there listening. Mom told he's he's twenty. Play pitch count nolan when the clapper and no one how things might go in dallas i i would assume i play twenty five or thirty. I would think it's going to stretch. I would see almost got duped on twitter today how so well they they had they had somebody that looked like it was wearing zeke's walking down the field and he had this huge belly and i'm like wow zeke wasn't doing shit down a combo and it was an offensive lineman. I was like oh no like i got duped is almost like you idiot. They can't figure this out. He's call yourself. A scout. You know zeke was working on his own time though right but i mean look i think jerry will jerry. I think big jerry will get cooper done if cooper will take the right deal and and i and i think ultimately stack it's gonna be interesting. I think stephen is more inclined to let dak keep going then jerry went. Whoa like why not just draft somebody next year back play on the tender and then see where we are because right now. He's got collins contract really good player. He's got he's got his running back on contract. He's got this defense on contract. That's a pretty good team now. They got no depth. This is what happens to you. They have no depth because you once you pay all these guys. Your depth has to go back back to the draft but i do think the cowboys draft well enough to have that i really do. I think they're not everybody thinks that i think they are an unsung hero in terms of building a team but that was made about dacca listening in the fourth-round. We'll just because somebody else in the fairway not like one thing we've learned the summers jarrett system's pretty good ryan findlay's pretty good. You know i mean look. The cult's just pay jacoby percent they. He's the third our third rounder so. I think there's p- plus the college game is teaching us. There's a lot more quarterbacks out there than we might think yeah. There's always a couple of the top you know the two tongue of iowa's and the trevor lawrence's but there's other guys that filter through as well so zeke interesting. I'm getting paid this numbers astonishing off one hundred thirty four million dollars in n._f._l. Record hundred ten million guaranteed doing my baseball show last. I changed up on his own. We said she's one of these n._f._l. Conscious come like baseball contracts hundred ten million guaranteed for goff. I would give one hundred ten million for sean mcveigh exactly goff. I mean look. Here's what i would worry about with golfing. I think look office each ten and one in the division so against everybody last time he's lost was against seattle. I think a second game of the second game under the sean mcvay administration. I think that was actually in los angeles. They lost that game but the that he is really good in the vessel. He's ten and one he's twenty six and nine in games decided by four points. Allow us which i think is critical right and so he's played really good. What would worry me is less than forty. What would worry me when i'd sign. This contract. Is i know mcveigh's gonna coach the shit out of him and i know the offense is built around what this kid can do and what he can't do. What would worry me is. If we've gotta go back to philadelphia in january and play in a conference championship game. It's less than forty degrees how he reacts because my the last memory of him was four interceptions against the chicago bears with vic fangio and the ball was cold and he wanted nothing to do with the colt like that would worry me like this has jim everett writ written all over it this. That's what worries me is kenny. Take the hits because we saw the super bowl. He didn't really take them very well. You know i again one hundred hundred ten million for me. You're not gonna. They're not going to replace them right. So you must with guaranteed the money i mean that's like you're giving something that you really never gonna replace. They're not going to get out of of it and i think golf was smart enough to say look. I need more guarantee because i don't want you balance on me after two years. When you get somebody else you fall in love with you. Took me in a different direction with jim everett remember when he was on with jim rome jim rome chris. They went crazy. Was that staged legitimate. I thought it was it looks stage a little bit. You don't mind greatest jim everett memory. This is one of my greatest memories and sports. It looks great and that uniform. He's they're playing the rams. He's at the rams and john robinson who's now the adviser doubted l._s._u. Wondering how much vikings going on but so we just had the eighty seven strike and the first game back from the strike was a game between the browns and the rams in in cleveland stadium on a monday night game great atmosphere unbelie brown's good t- marty schottenheimer coach codes are the quarterback right and so ever it's playing and we're dominate eight in the game because it's the day before the trading deadline and eric is sitting on the bench. He's got cape on you know and so for some reason the balls at the ram for at our forty-five here comes on the field and they run like they were like an outside zone and he bends it back and the field was still in a baseball still had the dirt from the baseball bennett back and he flew like he was shot out of a cannon scored a touchdown. They closed the game from ten point lead to a seven importantly. That was the last time we saw. He never came back into the game somebody from somebody from the rams. John shaw probably called said he's not allowed to play. We're trading deemed indianapolis tomorrow right and that's the only one the game of blue is the only reason we won the game but i i don't mean to be critical. When i call. I mean look offs a talented player. I think he's a seven on seven. I think the game when it gets faster. He doesn't elevate he doesn't alabama and you say well lombardi's twenty six to nine on the fourth quarter but i think there's a lot of teams that he does. He plays against that aren't very good yeah. Yeah he's ten one in that division or what is he not always ten in one so we know the cardinals haven't been very good. We know that we know the niners haven't been very good management. There's one twenty five games in the last five years so you know when the level of comp this week in carolina heat humidity and their pass rush. I think it's a pretty good opportunity. Now i'm with the mcvay. They being worth every penny they pay. I don't think you could under. I think that's the biggest to me. I think these coaches in the league who were critical of but i think when you get a great coach it doesn't come out of the cat but say i had one hundred eighty million dollars in a cap but i would say fifteen i would say no word play. We're playing with one hundred sixty five months because that fifty. I'm giving fifty million to coach. It's like i'm paying the head coach as long as he's coaching the team. This is what drives me crazy about college coaches. You know i always say to college coach. Who's the highest paid coach on the staff. They say well. The head coach is allowed to coach like why are you standing watching the game with me like coach the team right alligator delegates everybody like they just made you. The highest paid for coach in the so now you're you gotta stop coaching right so as long as the dow coach shit i would take it out of a salary cap. He's the head coaches. Salaries should be in the salary cap. I like that idea especially when you got a great unlike him melvin gordon trade rumors man. We're going to get paid or not reportedly taught one n._f._l. Team seeking a first round pick. That's the chargers two days since the charges tabled contract extension with melvin gordon according to multiple reports. They've already commenced trade talks so it looks like it's not gonna work out there. Where's gonna go now okay so here. You're sitting here in your office us. You know and ryan grigson not gonna trade a one now for you so you don't have ryan grigson to deal with. He traded a one for trent richardson which this kid's way better trent richardson. The reality here is you're sitting in your office and you're looking at the college draft board and you're going to say i need a back today. But can i get back next year. That's equal to or similar to go. I'm going to give up a the first round. Pick would not be better off trying to manage my way through this thing given up a huge asset now not only do you have to give up the the one the asset which is a fairly economic asset. You gotta them then. Pay this guy at thirteen four whatever you gotta pay them like to me. That's a double whammy. I don't know if i want to do that. Like why would i do that. What i be better off just trying to carlos hide right. It gets back to get through the season. Find some back and say okay next year. We'll get back and we'll get them on a regular contract and we can find out. I think melvin gordon's come to the realization that there's there's no market for them. I mean there's just no those zest to have him. Be a part of it like a. He's a really good player. I want him on the team but he's not zeke stirs. The drink make melvin gordon adds to the drink yeah. He's not essential. One of the chargers have success and speaking of a guy who would have thought would have been essential success chenevey uncloudy houston instead bill o'brien trading their pastors are a pair of outside linebackers and then a trade with the dolphins bringing a wide receiver kenny stills and left tackle laremy tunsil. The houston in exchange for a bevy of high value allie draft picks two more moves. You mentioned running back carl side cornerback kion crossing left. The texans soared through a huge amount of roster turnover. What are they bill brian sticking here because you had said before listen. They've tired of climate. They're tired of the act is this actually makes sense. Yeah well first. Let's go back. I mean i think the andrew luck retirement had knocked him over the head right. I think andrew luck retiring early said look watson. We led the league in sacks last year. We are horrible on third down overall. We are really horrible in the red zone and we're really horrible long red zone thirty. I mean our offense. We won the division last year without with with with davenport at left tackle and lamb at rightback. Who's a backup in cleveland today. They want it with a bad offensive line. If we get a really good line maybe we'll play titus howard at left guard. We'll play tonsils left tackle. If we get a really good offensive line maybe we'll keep this quarterback healthy healthy and what happened to luck won't happen to us because i think you know sitting in your chair and your officers the g._m. And you see luck walk away from the game. You know you gotta say wait a minute this. This is way too young or twenty nine soon to be thirty. I know you took a beating but the meeting was at the at the cost of the g._m. Like that's the responsibility and i think the i think the texans got frustrated frustrated in patient. <hes> you know some might say desperate some could say i'm sure they think it's courageous <hes> but they were had to make a move and they did the godfather. They made him an offer that they couldn't refuse. I mean that's the only way you're going to get tunsil outta. The the whole notion that tonsil was getting traded for cloudy was a complete internet sensation bullshit line. I mean that was never going to happen. First of all clowney didn't have the value to the other teams that people in america think he has right building dominant passer sure sure guys explosive. You can change the tempo of the game people remember. Cloudy is the first pick over on the draft. Okay people remember cloudy from south carolina look. He's a really good player but he has a degenerate. He's got bone on bone okay. He's got shoulder problems. He's got a bunch of issues going on with his body that if you're gonna pay him twenty million a year you gotta get sixty seventy plays as out of them. I think less of more of cloudy i think go into seattle helps him in the sense that they'll rotate them through him answer. They have to the two guys that are not durable playing elian ends. They could really be effective but i think this notion that cloudy had this unbelievable value is far far reaching look could should here's what the reality they could have not tendered him back in january february. They would've got a compensatory pick in two thousand twenty one okay so now what they do they get to players. They get martin who had three and a half sacks. Everybody on on twitter dismisses jacob market as like some sloppy. You know what the hell's the you know. They threw him had three and a half sacks yeah. He's one of their best special teams but i bet i bet brian steiner. The special teams coach in seattle was having a heart. He hated the straight because he loses two of his best buster teams players. Now i know that's not important to fans until the kick off until the kickoff comes back the punk cups back right so he loses two of his best bus teased by plus. Martin's got some nasty rush to him. He can mingo look. We blew. I pick mingo. We all pick me go in cleveland. Uh we blow it with mango because mingo doesn't play any power like mingo needs to be the fifth rusher. Not the fourth rusher mingo can't line up at defensive end and say okay here. I come fellows. He's got to be a part of a scheme that allows him to be successful. This is the this is the trend. We talked about it in the draft. This is the trend in the n._f._l. Is figuring out who the fourth brusher who the fifth rusher is mingles. A fifth rusher not not was a we not value to where he got picked. There's no denying that but now they get a third round. Pick and twenty twenty plus two really good special teams players for guy that they would have just been willing to let go. I don't know why people are giving them such a hard time just because they don't have a general manager sitting in the office. Here's the reality bill o'brien. Has it in his contract that he has control over everything so even if they had a g._m. Sitting in his office the optics would have looked like that guy made the trade. It's like the optics and san francisco will john lynch is making this. No no no john lynch has kyle shanahan housing authority in his contract like that's who's making every fucking move out there it isn't it isn't john lynch that it's great for the commerce and he'll go out there. That's that's optics right. That's not reality. The reality is shanahan makes the deals. It's so there's certain places that the coach has all the authority and the optics make it look different for this is one of them so whether they had gain in the opposite whether they had you know dominic in the office my grandson it was gonna be the same deal you mentioned the vito corleone line earlier make them african of course my brother big fan of the virtual solazzo which is called the cleveland bryce visit. This is the opposite what you're describing in that situation. There's no authority doll because it's baker the players. The inmates running the asylum though the exact opposite of bill o'brien right. I mean there do whatever they want to do. Now i will say this. I think there d lines really good in cleveland. I think this is going to be a war tennessee going on there. I think the fact that they cut greg robinson. This is a little unknown. They're less starting left tackle grievance that he's a vested veterans so they waived him. Okay which means he doesn't have to go through the waiver wire they. He clears the way he then. They have to resign him to a contract but here's your problem when you do that if you're a legitimate left left tackle and you're starting left tackle in the n._f._l. And tyler lewan just got sixteen million a year and i cut my starting left tackle and a team like houston or miami me they go to say greg. Don't sign that contract that one year deal back with cleveland. I'll give you a hundred million over five six years. Come with me. I'll guarantee fifty million of it you you. You could lose the guy right. Yeah i mean that money talks right <hes> well. Nobody did that because that's a weakness of the browns. They're left. They told you what a week this was by them to exciting to us greg robinson upon for roster manipulation well. Here's what gets interesting speaking manipulation. How do you make moves that are under the wire and that's how do you use the waiver wire to your advantage so when you build a team right so you got an i wrote this for the athletic and people can read about it in more detail but so when you you have to start backwards so you have sixty three guys see a fifty three men on the roster and you have ten guys on your practice squad so now you have to ask yourself the question if i cut this guy. Will he get well. He got traded well. He claimed if i cut this guy will he get claimed. If i cut this guy he won't get claims so players from fifty one to sixty three are basically your practice squad players. Fifty two and fifty three might only be on the roster not because you think you can. They can help you this year but you're keeping them from other teams claiming you follow me and so it's really comes down to mouse. It's cat-and-mouse right so i'm gonna keep player fifty eight. Who's really the fiftieth best player on the team but nobody knows who the hell is. Nobody knows who he is. I got him on the team. Nobody's going to claim that. Guy's has been cut seven times. I got them right there. I got him so that's how you manipulate your roster and then the only thing that matters is your forty six active day roster. That's why i thought seattle was smart. Seattle goes ahead and cuts deano smith right <hes> so what they said was they said look. We're gonna genome what bring you back. We know you have no market where you're gonna go right. We'll bring you back at your ah but we're going to see what's out there. We're gonna explore our options and if you say okay bring dino back will bring it back but you do that. The meanwhile the lions they kept josh johnson onset on the on the team like i would if i were the lines going to one one one quarterback just like seattle but instead okay here that allows me to save a player and then i bring them back. There's always a easier to pick up a guy. It's nice because remember now. A player has to be on the fifty three man roster once it's official at sunday at twelve o'clock then he then you can i r. m. and that allows you to bring him back during the season after eight weeks so that's what the move was. Thomas gets cut right. Nobody's going to pick up the mary's thomas mus. He gets cut harry's on the team. Harry goes to i._r._r. Thomas comes back. It's just a swap and exchange now. The problem you run into is if you try to do that with a really good player. They're gonna jump all over him right because so many other tools. How is this guy available. Let's quickly greg. Call that agent on the phone right now. Hey look you got greg robinson what we'll give you. I'll give maybe fifty million for you know. He promised to go back to now. There's no promise that outweighs cash right upfront right now. Let's go money. It's green green green green matters right money be green and green matters and that's why that move doesn't really say a lot to the average fan but it was significant to me that john dorsey. The general manager of the browns is willing to risk losing his left tackle to a megadeal and who's he gonna play over there. It's basically saying well. Who's gonna want them. No one of these were borrowing time. Macworld world is better than whatever you're wearing right now. Mac walden is the premium men's essential brand that believes in smart design and premium fabrics. Mac wellman will be the most comfortable underwear socks shirts undershirts hoodies and sweatpants and more than you will ever wear. They want you to be comfortable. Mike if you don't like your first pair of underwear you can keep it and they will still dell refund you. No questions asked. I actually got a couple of pair of underwear. They got socks shirts. They're all great all comfortable and obviously they look good. 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Shuffle once again twenty percent off your first order visit macworld and dot com and enter promo code g._m. Shuffle this is the pri- everyone's waiting for. How is lombardi gonna make me money. All right. People had a lavish summer vacations. People wanna do barbecue here. Seriously needs some money and you're going to help them right. I mean we're we're doing now that now. We're heading if ice with mike new segments i think i think this. I think that josh appelbaum ahead on the show on lombardo on over the weekend. He had some interesting thoughts and i think it's something to consider opening day. We know the row teams are going to win seven or games. I mean that's the last two years that's pretty obvious there's a lot of road dogs here this week but what i thought applebaum was talking about which i think the fans deserved understand is he's talking about divisional visual rivals opening day at sixty one percent so if you take the packers in the points <hes> take the redskins and the points if you take the bills and the points it's and if you take the giants over the cowboys and the points so it's in your division <hes> okay bears packers bills jets giants cowboys. You take those games the the dog team when sixty one percent of the time in those games what a dog team when six which is way higher than the fifty four percent right so when you look at this thing. You've got to think there's some serious serious chances here because there's so many road. There's so many teams like like. I think the redskins can't. I don't think the red skins can beat the eagles. I really don't but do i think the eagles the redskins have lost four straight to the eagles four straight. Do i think they can beat them by nine and a half. I don't think so even though i don't love case keenum i think it's i think these games between each teams are always so competitively closer be last year what the bears won twenty four lost by point up in green bay and then the game in chicago ogle was nip and tuck game too. I think it went to seven but it's the same thing. These games are always tight down saying that the redskins have lost the last four games by a combined nine sixty two points. I believe it is they've lost thirteen fifteen. I mean they've gotten killed the last four game so it would lead you down this road and i would caution people looks obvious and betting is probably go the other way yeah. I'm with you that i just think the eagles win but you're gonna say win by ten. I e review wentz a little slow out of the bill. Just these everybody's everybody's going to go back and look at the last four games. The redskins have played against the eagles and their double digit wins for the eagles. Double digits okay so that tells you if i if i lay the points right now to me if i were planning a suicide pool here which the one game you feel most confident say i look at this and say well you gotta say lombardo. Seattle's gotta beat cincinnati yeah. I think that's right. I think seattle they've got up. When you're most confident i would say that one. I would be most confident of that one. I'd be most confident of the eagles dell's those two. I don't know where else i mean. Everybody saying the pay the patriots over the steelers. I think the steelers are really good at that number. I think it'll be a three point game. I really do do. I think the patriots win yeah. I think it's going to be a field goal game. I think it's going to be a lot closer than that. I think here's the other thing you've gotta look at betting advice is always do this is always look at the opening like especially on week one <hes> now week. Two lines are just coming out this week so you can look at week two lines now okay so look at week two lines now look what week two lines were the summer. There's a variance and and because of the variance you can figure out what nothing's really changed now. The colts have changed. That's the only one but there's a variance by how the better s- think that steam is and that's telling you where the sharp money's going like. I like this past week. I almost lost my mind. I mean coaching malpractice by my man out in missouri mario cristobal i mean it was too ridiculous. We could do a whole pot or in your tweet and a lot of oregon can go crazy as like. I was screaming at the t._v. I was i had already had it muted. I didn't want to hear the analysis. I was going crazy. Okay like they're going up to the line. They're trying to milk the clock or snapping a ball with eleven seconds like who's managing this like who's watching the shop like you know but anyway so like i kept saying all summer like how is oregon a dog to auburn and everybody out of vecent recent said to me mario cristobal and like that now. I can't be that right. It can't be the coach america spots where he's the dog now. I find out how it was because he you know it's the old dale you know. Bob knight's story about the al brown the l._s._u. Coach ask coach tonight one time they said coach. How the hell do you ever gonna play l._s._u. They got all those really good players and coach nights said yep. I look at that town on the team and i see how great they are and then i look at the coach and i know everything's gonna be okay unbelievable. What a sean dale brown yeah so i mean that's. That's a little bit like what happened here. I mean how about how about at the northwestern ticket with with the stanford but you're up ten seven. You got the tickets you're ready to go the window the cash and the guy gets fumbled sack and he lost the game at six and a half spread. It goes to seven whoever pat whoever had stanford and auburn that they need to they need to come down. They need to go so they need to keep celebrating. That's they're lucky but anyway my point is is like you've got to be able to look at these different lines from one week to the next and see where the variances and when you find there's a variance because remember betting is like charlie munger your warren and buffet. You're the guy you're not much. You're not bronx hill right. You're not much you you gotta. Analyze these numbers and see where they are like. We know the colts number number went way up. <hes> you know we know. Some of these numbers are reflective like the rams are down to two and a half. That was a three. There's a lot of money coming in. There's a lot of money coming in powers bears tomorrow night bears or favored minus three at home. That's a pick em right. That's that's sick. I'm look. Let's go back over the game. Everybody thinks now matinees been doing this. You know every kick. We got to kick the forty three yard right field goal right so as a coach. What does that tell you that tells the team that the reason we lost the game was because we missed the forty three yard field the reason you lost the game is because you turn the ball over twice. It should have been three times. You've got three points at the end of the half against the eagles which had no business getting because the the eagles didn't pick up the ball the official remember the play down the scene right. Okay you didn't do that. You're over three in the red zone you terrible in the red zone so like at the reason you're losing the you've lost. The game was it because it was because the kid missed a kick but there was underlying the trubisky at ten passes batted down in the eagle game ten passes. He threw two picks. You know you're you're lucky you're lucky through one in the end zone right so anyway. I think this is a close game. I think this is one of those close games. I i really do. I feel i think anytime you can get a line like the vikings over four. I think that's a really good play for atlanta wrote. You know it'll be a close game. The vikings field goals situation is that that's my betting advice for the week all right one more top cristobal. That's the moral one more topic. We'll do some quick hitters and when i opened up the mail bag the mailbags fantastic as always you can hit us up on the g._m. Shuffled hard knocks recap. Let's take a listen your prediction about keelan alan doss this was previously on the show t._v. Shows previously on the g._m. Shuffle i can read between every single line like that receiver that they're talking about. He's getting cut. I'm just telling right now. Yeah yeah look good. It's a nice story for h._b._o. It ain't nice story for gruden right that guy's getting cut so you call. The man is going to be gone so obvious people. I'm like look. He's always going to take a veteran seaver over people say i got tweets while lombardi. They're much. It's younger this year than they ever were. They've kept young players. That's great. I'm glad to see that they are younger. I'm glad to see that they are younger and i think that look. I think they got through hard knocks without really it. Dr knox has got to reevaluate that that that was all. I gotta give me something like why are we picking employer that we know we're going to get cut right luke wilson. He was great tape on poor luke wilson on the floor. We wasted all that tape. Cycle junior sen whole got. The part of the north west gave up for this trial. I can't we take one piece of paper and pass it around. It's incredible. There's an uncle junior line for those ones. You just best lives. I was watching whitecaps again the the other day when carmella and tony also like you think of any argument with your wife like hans ten i don't. I don't watch for that reason. I don't wanna watch it for that. When says i don't love you anymore. Telling tony how she's fantasized about. Which is the walmart god i i i like whitecaps when i see the pictures of the jersey shore and it makes me happy and then i turned into a complete. I don't wanna see this any more and all is closer coming out of the russian car. The phone calls unbelievable. Imagine carmelo's faces. She's hearing those words yeah. It's funny between my between all my son's friends is is the line is oh. Jesus tony's disassociate like they'll be text from all of us. Oh jesus thanks. It's bad. He doesn't know how those travelling from now. It should be like tony tony oh jeez right. He's also antonio brown. Put this on instagram. This was a message for mike mayock so as you to participate the raiders walk-through so your absence or practice unexcused you hereby find thirteen thousand nine hundred fifty dollars your privacy find forty thousand dollars for missing the raiders preseason training camp now a._b. Post that and then when your own and team wanna hate but there's no stopping now devil is ally. Everyone got to pay this year so we clear that that this can't be small. Your posted a message from your g._m. Under instagram ah it's unbelievable right. I applaud the raiders finding them. I mean you know. I applaud them for sending a letter. Kim credit like look. This is this. This is going to be a problem all year. There's going that'd be something else. The here's what i'm saying he goes a place denver. He has one catch for fifteen yards because you know they're going to double them. One catch fifteen yards and say they win this going to be one of these coming coming out right. You know it's just it just never ends does it. That's the way these are these wide receivers man that just by nature divas right really are they though you know i was with jerry bryson. I mean like i never seen the exception. He worked his ass. Oh my god jerry rice and tim brown. I mean the the those guys worked hard. You know like i was around some really good receivers but but this one takes the cake he's amazing like flamboyant diva to a t. all right quick interest where we go the mail back thirty million dollar deal two years no rain right opposite lock on a a chance to win. I think if they waited for a deal could onto the against them. You know i would have probably been a little bit patient but percents does his own contract. How smart is this. He saving that three or four percent ah on some serious coin guaranteed and and you know they love this kid date. I'm told reliably that perset the team rallied percent was probably ably read andrew luck's commentary about percents and how much he paycheck played them paid respects to <hes> he really was the glue lou of the team last year because look let's face. It andrews not exactly a guy guy. He's gonna go read a book in the library. Pipe smoker. Go read a book in the library introverted. Yeah i mean i'm sure he'd be a hit princeton's campus but i don't know in that locker room sure saying he's a bad guy. He not calling for beers playing poker that yeah i think i think i think kind of brought the team together in a good way and i think reich has a good approach for this. I don't think anybody's gun shy about what he can do. I think they know what he can do. Oh i think they know what can do and by knowing those things what you know those things you're you're three quarters of the way home i feel colder bubble team for the playoffs. I do too i i would. I would bet them still to go the plan. I think the only thing that changed with the luck decision was how they run their offense not that their expectations. I really do think them signing. This kid is a smart move because they're gonna they're. They're gonna win with defense. They're gonna win with their offensive line and i think when they get in the red zone or they get near the fourth quarter. I think they're going to try to manage to correctly. Do i think they'll be in the under more. I think they will be but i think the wind closer games bills. Kotla shaw voice signs of the chiefs one year three million dollar deal. Andy reid offense one thing about andy reid. He stacks backs on top one other. I don't so if you haven't been fantasy. If he's going to get twenty carries he's going to get you know maybe ten i think it's going to be committee mentality there and we'll see how he does and i think that you know look another weapon to go with. Look look. Let's face it. Mccoy is a back that there's too many one and two yard gains. You can't live like that. You gotta have a lot more. It's like four people talk to me about jacksonville down jacksonville jacksonville axles a team that requires nick foles to play in shock down. We talked about this run and shoot. He needs to be in a in an r._p._o. Offense right well for nets aback that needs to carry the ball twenty. You want to twenty seven times for his effectiveness. He's an eye deep tailback. He needs the body puncher. He's joe frazier body punch body punch body punch you know and then when you get in the tenth or eleventh round he throws the big hook at knoxville on the ground well for that. Is that exact guy. He's gotta run. Run run. Two yards two runs to yards all of a sudden on the twenty first to the twenty-seven kerry. He's he's dominating the game right. The problem is he's not going to get twenty one to twenty seven carries in jacksonville offense because they're set up to be r._p._o.'s so all those fake hand off look. Here's the other thing jacksonville claim to run back to the waiver wire. What does that tell you about their football. They're looking for a certain kind of running back. They're looking for a certain kind of running back and i think you gotta to be careful about. That's just crazy two years ago. It was four net and that defense and now you don't even know what the right to be <hes>. They're going to be an r._p._o. It's all going to be our defense is really good though i i really do. I think they'll give the chiefs a hell of a game. I think that there are underdog at home over the three point number. I think they're attractive. Yeah yeah minus foray chiefs right when you use zoom. 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Shuffler get ten percent off. That's w i x dot com slash the g._m. Shuffle to get ten percent off h._b._o. Sports n._f._l. Films pardoning working on a ballot check and sabin documentary think about that long standing relationship to belgium could save is going to be favored documentary premiering tuesday december tenth exclusively on h._b._o. I mean look at the brain power i did. I did yeah they did. I told yeah they came to ocean city in a house. How what a small world this is right so i used to live in this one house ocean ocean city for almost thirty years and i sold it when i moved back fulltime and i they asked me to do this dock. They asked me to come in and talk about both guys and so where i did it was literally literally right across the street from my house. It was like a homecoming. It literally was right across the street that they rented this house that they had just built right. They just a brand new home. There used to be where i lived in ocean city was christian brothers because remember the catholics like the bootleg liquor in the day so we can make a lot of money god plus praise the lord pass the money right so ah they built this christian brothers home and they tore it down and they of course they needed money to catholics so they they sold up. They sold all these lots and so they built these and so i'm in there doing this interview and i'm like this is really surreal. I'm in this. I bought the house after we want our first playoff game and cleveland because of these two guys and now i'm doing it across. It was like weird. It's really great. I mean it was it was it's it's a tribute to and i i think what fans will see how dramatically different both guys are right. They are different from emotional national to thinking but yet they respect one another so much that they come to a common ground. It's interesting because you would think are both guys are from the same cloth right intense a publicly humorless bumps should they have funny next so as bill bill cracker joke but the both croatian they're both they're both from you know and they but there were where they come to and where they get to a completely different but how they build their process or discipline towards the process is verse it is pretty awesome all right mel back time now for mailbags finisher questions by emailing us at the g._m. Shuffling gmail.com this one's from craig. Hi guys loved the show look forward to every week really enjoyed the film and t._v. References especially the sopranos so he loves me once a day junior whitecaps. I was wondering what your thoughts were on next. Year's expanded hall of fame numbers as a raider fan for forty years is upset to learn the passing cliff branch ranch recently like many others. They deserve to get in long ago and it's criminal. He wasn't able to experience enjoy that achievement. Do you think he will get in next year along with former head coach. Tom flora's like mike sue jimmy johnson. Remember folks ended their careers. I hope tom's not so great. Run seattle's head coach doesn't hurt his chances. Yeah i mean look you win. Two super bowls. Tom's i want to super bowls right. <hes> i in right. I don't see how i jimmy johnson. How is jimmy johnson. Hall of fame is shocking a lot of tweets about that. I mean how is he not in the hall of fame. It's what what is the hall of fame like. That's the problem. I have with the hall of fame. We're letting some guys get in and you wonder how they get in. It's all timing and all that like look. I think tom floors you win. Two titles you. You should get it because you can win one. You could do the david crosby. You can have a good album beat peter frampton and then knock it back right baby. I love your way. Frampton comes alive. Everybody's got it you know but then he can't come up with a second one. That's the david crosby effect. I think if you got to your pretty good all the best here. Matsue says hi mike big fan of book the daily coach the athletic. I was born in new england. Diehard pat spend my entire life. Thank you for your contribution to the organization. During your time. There cures jerks did him is the real deal. I understand jon following any hall of fame quarterback difficult little tom brady but he seems to be impressing a lot of people in foxborough. You know we got ridiculed on this. We could play the the stem <hes> video the clip from when we talked about gus malzahn went beserk on us remember gus malzahn tax bill which still looking for i've put a poster out the tape reveal opening like did you watch them like i gotta think auburn fan had to say. Why wasn't he that good for us right like why was he the. I love how t._v. That i wanna wanna get off on a media circuit but when they talk about gus malzahn offense yeah like where is the passing game like where you know remember those high like things used to do in a kid at the doctor's office fine fine fine auburn's passing game in here really seriously where's waldo like and that's why didn't look like that's where you have to be really careful like the passing game. That's what bothered me about the oregon game. Why biased justin haber herbert running sprint rights passes when use a drop back quarterback like what are we doing here at orbit like why we have the best quarterback in the college draft. Let him go back. Five steps seven two and let us the entire field to sling it. When you run sprints you cut the field and happy you're telling me you're quarterbacks knicks. You're telling me your quarterback can't do anything so that's why i think you have to be careful stood. Am i think's got a great future. I really do i mean he's got to work on some stuff like anything i mean the greatest thing happened to them as he played good enough to make the team but they page shitty enough to belgium to pitch at him yeah because if he's got another thing figured out that come and show up his ass right last year swim from yousef high adnan michael receive from toronto oh canada what up now living in l._a. But moving to new jersey mid-september for job in new york city but one live in small town new jersey. I wonder if you have any advice places to live. I'm looking at montclair player. Bloomfield is yeah. I was gonna say all these places. Montclair is fantastic. It's got a really good vibe there but super expensive now bloomfield. That's where the final episode of the the sopranos that diner we got all that's in bloomfield so i've been there and moorestown is not bad. I got a cousin lives in morristown. I've been marston. My son lived in florida park right near where the jets. It's really beautiful. I would recommend just for the surpri. I would go to boomtown because boot was the town. If you go back and watch the episode where vito goes the new hampshire yeah that was filmed in bhuttan. Oh that's really bucolic in very pretty look very to hampshire free and die. It's yeah okay. That's where it was. It was beautiful. That's probably a tough commute but it's pretty out there really is these towns jersey. I think are underestimated in the sense that they have. They have a new england quality and i think they're actually a prettier than some of the new england when i tell you i live in jersey goal. Don't don't breathe deeply. All the swamp and i got a bunch of b._s. Release you'd have actually been there. I don't swim in the ocean. There's needles in it. Stop hocus is a great place where the burks are making their residents. You can finish your questions emailing us at the g._m. Shuffle at jimmy dot com how grades are going to be next week. 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Is Gronk Coming Back to the NFL?

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Is Gronk Coming Back to the NFL?

"They always oblast talking all NFL here. The GM shuffled. But I promise you there's gonna be some other stuff here as well. Including air Rogers cameo on game of thrones AMA Lombardi who's a great follow on Twitter because not only does your pine on the NFL. But also the NBA and Toronto zone. My man that's me taken on Lombardi who loves his Sixers like nobody's business. That's a shot. The raptors never hit collide. Leonard four bounces in a game seven tied at ninety at home bedlam in Toronto across Canada. And you, of course, for furious, you're going to draw this to the NFL 'cause it goes with your Art Modell theory and Brett Brown stays with the Sixers. Yeah. Well, you know, the Art Modell theories one of the greatest series of all time. Art Modell would fire Brett Brown for the two things. He doesn't do very well which obviously is coming out of a time out and getting a twenty four second violation. That's not really good. Right. So he would fire Brett Brown for what he couldn't do. And then he would hire me let's say because I could do those. Things. Really, well, but only do like ten things other than that. Good. Meanwhile, Brett Brown fifty things really good. So now arts like forty in the whole, right? So you just fire somebody to fire somebody without thinking through. I'm actually kinda glad that he did it, you know. I mean, the guy went from. I don't think I could go from where Kawai Leonard got the ball to where he shot it enforced. Like, I don't think it's possible for me to get there and four like people shot every single time. If you watch if you dog him, and you go that's a terrible shot that has a low percentage shot it. She's a miraculously that he did what Vince Carter couldn't do hit a big time shot against the Sixers in the playoffs and a critical moment, I was sitting with my my youngest, son. He was young. We were watching it. When the shot went up. I thought for sure Vince Carter shot was going in. He was a lot more wide open than what if Embiid just cut. The guy off them beat cuts them off and doesn't let them get down there. But a was exhausted. You what I found interesting? The fans were talking about Embiid was crying after the game. And how this was right. If it's so important to them, right? If it was really matters this much tears cabling flew to say when they had the flu twice. You like really like instead of crime show me. It means more to you than emotionally showing me. Right. Get your ass and shape, and that's to be honest with you, no matter who took the job getting a beat and shape and getting beat the play consistently is the challenge of whoever the coach is amazing thing at one point how bad Embiid shooting, and the fact that Sixers was still hanging around. It was an ugly game to watch. It really was. But now when you go miracle, ending amazing bedlam it. Yeah. The actual game was painful. It was not good basketball. It was rescued by great ending it was rescued by an ending. But you know, they did it you gotta give them. I mean, look Leonard is just incredible. Like, I mean, he's just one points in a game seven like that. That's pretty remarkable. He's really remarkable. All right. We got over unders here momentarily plus a break running back next year. But Mike let's talk about the Green Bay Packers and the dysfunction. Mark murphy. What is going on there? Well, you know, it's funny. Let's piss off. Mark Murphy today. I mean seriously. Yeah. Sorry. I should interject Tommy ever did not take your challenge, by the way last week. On the he's gone whispers. He's too busy running for Senate well campaign against them wherever he's running. You know, I'm going to show up there with the sign in the stands when he gives a speech. You know, you won't even debate me. Let alone debate these other people I mean, come on. JFK where the Mr. X goes through the whole thing. And he says that JFK wanted to splinter the CIA, right? Well, that's what Mark Murphy's done to the Green Bay Packers. He splintered it to where that GM doesn't have any power the head coach doesn't have any power, and he has all the power. And so the spunk. That's going on is. Because Mark Murphy is taken the team. And basically said I'm the king of all kings. Everything must go through me. Even though he is doing his best Alibaba's, which is Oliver North invented this term, plausible deniability Murphy can just sits there and says, oh, I have nothing to do with it. He has everything to do with everything that goes on in the building. He is running the Packers. And this is the first time in the history of the Green Bay Packers going back to before Lombardi arrived in fifty nine that the president's had this much power. What people don't realize is when Lombardi went there. The Packer wasn't a good. Job. Everybody was complaining about how the board was involved. How all these the president was running the team too, many people. In fact, he almost left in sixty. I think it was sixty one to take the eagle job because there was some of that going on in the building. But the reality of it is now it's finally come full circle amazing thing to right Mike McCarthy when he was there it seemed like people turned on him. It was a guy get McCarthy. Refreshed with them disconnecting air Rogers. And now you go front office upheaval and Aaron Rodgers. That's the story right now at Lambeau like how do you think air Rogers deals with all this because he knows as you said the emperor has no clothes, but there's like one guy up there. Now the throne, right? And he and he's the king of all kings. And even though he says, I'm not the king. I have nothing to do with it. When you fire a coach, they named the street after right, and you fire him on a Sunday night with no real respect towards you know, it's like when Christopher respect the being. Well, he's not respecting the Packer. I mean seriously. But you gotta respect the being. If you can't respect a strip club where there's nefarious activities, taking wise guys. What good are you? Exactly. So you know, I just think to me that's what's going on in Green Bay. That's the underlining story if you're the head coach, and Matt leflore you got a big challenge in front of you couldn't pick your staff. I mean, nobody in the NFL denies that. Matt leflore just in there to basically run the offense and Petain's going to run the defense. Mark Murphy's running the team. Yeah. It'll be interesting situation. Green bay. We'll definitely discuss them. We are NFC north over unders, but we wanna go AFC east over unders here. Mike and honesty. You look at this division, and it's just it's one shining jewel, and it just a giant dirt everywhere else, especially when you look at the odds, I'll go through them quickly patriots. Six two one win the Super Bowl. Jets are eighty to one bills are one hundred one dolphins or two hundred one. I don't deny the pages. Your former employer are great team first class Orgainzation. But can we just once get a reasonable competitor? Can we just want to have a device? Version that will challenge just slightly. I mean, how are the jets even eighty to one to win a Super Bowl has anybody paid attention to their off-season lady on bell? He's going to come to the otas, and that very kind of them. I really appreciate we just gave you one hundred million dollars. And he's gonna he's decided he liked to come. He doesn't want to break his routine. You know what I find funny about the jets? We talked about this on the podcast before about Adam gays and Mike McCague and not getting along right and gays came out with his scathing that story so untrue pisses them off every story. I broke about Miami. When gays was the head coach down there. He wanted to trade. Devante parker. He wanted to trade. There was another player. He wanted to trade denied that at all of them turned out to be true. They all that's what is great. He's very good at denying stories that are completely one thousand percent true. And he knows they're true because he's talked to people in the NFL about how much the dysfunction going on in the building. In terms of the guy down the hall, really doesn't understand. What the hell's going? On the jet specifically might they've got it here at seven and a half as the over under severe point eighty two one win the Super Bowl forty two one when the AFC five to one to win the division. I guess your point. I guess they figure bells they're Sam darnold just a year better. You know quarterbacks better over you over under seven and a half. I'm still thinking the under. I don't think our five hundred team do you? I don't either. And that's like I think to me the best bet of all is Miami over five. Here's what Miami over five. So Miami's gotta play buffalo the jets and New England. So you figure if they can be buffalo and the jets just one time that's two wins. Right. They got Washington and the giants that's four. Now. They got the Bengals okay. That's five. All right. So they may get five because you're going to win. Now. The key game is going to be the opener against Baltimore. Baltimore is going to be in those hot purple uniforms. It's going to be hot shit in Miami. And the wind down there. Trust New England does a wind down there in the New England place week to down there. Right. The humidity. I mean, you're going to have a hard time winning that humidity with your doctors. He's going down there and you can't practice for. So for me that if they beat buffalo jets, Washington giant spangles, and they can beat Baltimore or even up set New England 'cause I could see them doing that early in the year. New England not ever any good and their six everybody hasn't picking first pick in the draft. I don't see that. I think that they're going to try to keep winning dolphins over under five you take the over we discussed the jets Buffalo Bills over under at six and a half. That's number to me. Right. Yeah. I don't know because I have no faith and Josh Allen, the accurate and be consistent. Although when you look at them now, you know, they end up they have Denver at home. They have the jets home late in the year, which you gotta figure if they beat the jets twice, right? They've played the jets the first game of the year, then they play the jets late new year in buffalo cold could be those games could not count. And then they got the giant. Cincy. And then they got to go to Tennessee. That's a tough one for me. I'd stay away from buffalo. I was if I was betting on this. I'd stay away. I just don't think you could have enough confidence in what they're going to do and the patriots again over under seem smart, Mike got it at eleven twelve and four team. They're more like ten and sixteen. I think twelve and four ballot six plays on defense now. But you're right. I love to five is probably the right pick. Which would be a push. Right. I think it's a push. I don't know if they can get the twelve because I think they're going to have a hard time in September figuring out who they are. You know, they always do right? They always have a hard time and Brady's not at the OT. He hasn't been so far. Maybe he's coming losing gronk, so huge loss for them. And they're going to have some pieces that they're gonna have to pick up. Now. Maybe do they get them Watson that helps in the passing game a little bit. But Dwayne Allen block pretty good for him last year and the running game sunny Michelle is you're gonna be one hundred percent healthy. Where are they as a football team? I think it's gonna take some time to get them together. What if the team is struggling do you think Ronca come back midseason like in baseball? They commit season acquisition. Jason Witten to Monday night football for you is back for the Cowboys. What if I think I'll just call eighty call week six eight gronk comeback, just play ten games. I think rocks gonna miss it. Now, the differences there's a time where I think it's after the trading deadline where employer wants to come back to his team. He has to go through the waiver wire. So in two thousand and two Dion was retired. Okay. And Dion wanted to come play for the raiders. And we needed a corner late in the year. So he got the Redskins. I think the wave them late in the year and the Redskins waived them, he got him. And the chargers claimed him just to keep them from going Oakland. Which is. Never showed up. Right. He never showed up. So that's why gronk would have to make this decision before the trade deadline at the end of October. He wants to come back. I would still place a bet that gronk place. I can't imagine having any fun outside of football, especially if he could miss training camp, as you know, Mike having been in the trenches. That's what these guys don't wanna do. Just skip the two days the training just wanna play. Yeah. Although the nonsense just play football in sixteen days. Yeah. I think that's the case. I mean, I think there's no doubt that that he wants to play. I mean, I just think the hard part is the volume of the season gets to the whole everything. I gotta do. And then it becomes difficult. Right. What do you make a Belgian reportedly calling defensive plays this the master? And I wanna get my teeth back into this thing a little bit. Why think he's got to do it? I don't think there's anybody that they could give it to. I think he'll rely on some of those guys to set it up. But why not why should he he's the best coach on the staff? Why not I mean, he could call the offense place if he wanted to to I think, Josh mcdaniels take. The Indianapolis Colts job. He probably would have called the offense plays as well. You know, when he left so I don't think that's going to be too much of an issue. He's gonna sit up the game plan. And then I'm sure he's going to confer with somebody. Whether he'll have mayo sit next to them, whomever. And then go from there quick on the patch before we transition fancy break running backs or next year news involving Robert Kraft, the prosecution delta major legal blow after court decision to suppress the videos to school without here. Mike summer, saying well money wins all of a sudden if you got enough money, you can convince people to release it. But I part of icy is that what really his the point of seeing the video you know, what he's alleged done. We all like what level? Do you need to see the humiliation in the shame public, right? I don't know what your take is. Well, I think to me it's going to be interesting with the commissioners take is because the Commissioner doesn't rule in court. That's what's making me crazy about the tyreek hill thing, which you've been tweeting, by the way every day day twelve nine fifty nothing day nineteen. He's got nothing which, you know, people say, well, he's leading no. No, wait a minute. He doesn't need. He's collectively bargained to have the right to do whatever. He wants to do if he wants to suspend tyreek hill forever. The union can charge it and say all they want. It's written in the collective art agreement. There's nothing he can do about it. So that's what's going to be interesting to see is how the Commissioner uses his power, regardless of what the courts outcome says. Because it's about how you've damaged the league in the perception of league, right? And I know it's dangerous trying to predict to what Goodell could do. It's a matter of games. Right. It's it's not just to find four games AAC games. Right. You got you got to feel like they are going to have to make a statement at some point. And I'm sure that you know, look Jim Irsay went through the same situation. I think what did he get a million dollar fine. Yep. So I I would suspect it's going to go on that. I don't think the commissioners really worrying about whether the courts say something, I think he's worried about whether he thinks it's damaged. It was. Lead news story on the on the NBC news with Lester hope it was the lead story. Yeah, you're right. And if you're if you're looking at public perception damaging to league reputation etcetera, tarnishing, the she I mean, that's that's we're hills thing comes in which makes me crazy is because like he's got an all the evidence he needs plus people on Twitter saying while Lombardi give the kid has chance it's only know this is the second chance like this. Is it a second chance third chances? Like there's a child who's in foster care now. Like, if you ask anybody who's gone through foster care, I don't know very many happy stories in foster care too. You know, it's very very sad mean I mean, it can be now I'm sure there are some and I don't want to disrespect anybody who take children in treated him with kindness and greatness. But I mean, let's face it. That's not exactly a path a lot of people succeed from. No, you're right. It's very very troubling everybody. This is C J McCollum from the Portland trailblazers. And here's a little taste of what we talked about on this week's pull up pockets. Very special mini post game seven episode. Pull up an epic game seven in Denver thirty seven points back to back. You sensually close out buckets. Why are you so successful last night? I think he just really came down to my demeanor mindset, empty clip leave nothing out there. I wanted to say I did everything in my power, and I left on my bullets out there on the court and didn't bring anything how do you shift to a completely new animal and absolute monster in the worst in the playoffs? It just comes down to Xs and os and execution more. So than anything else. The words aren't gonna run a lot of place. They're gonna run a lot of misdirection out of time out and late clock situations, but most of us are going to be picking role. It's going to be pinned down and flares and things of that nature for clean Steph in allowed transition so you have to guard a three point line get back in transition and make it as difficult as possible on. Don't forget to. Subscribe in listen every week on apple podcasts or wherever you get your shows. Let's say we would have fantasy breakout. Running backs for next year. All awesome, the GM shuffle. You're gonna get over under. You're gonna get fantasy Mike. Everybody makes them money next year sleepers mile Sanders at affiliate love this pick. The eagles needed a running game running terrible season ago. You like the Penn State running backdraft on the second to make an immediate impact on that line. Yeah. Because I remember we talked about the draft. It's always for running backs. It's really never about running. It's about block catch wrong. So when you can block you can catch you then get a chance to run the ball. And I think Sanders is going to be able to do that. There's a huge hole. I know Howard's going to be there. But I think the more diverse they're going to be offense is when Sanders is in the backfield, and that's going to help them. I think when Howard's in the backfield they're going to be in the same situation that they were when blunt was in the back that hey, he's getting the ball watch out. He's getting the nose is getting the ball. You know, the reason they traded him from Chicago is because he wasn't diverse in the passing game. I think Sanders gives them more of that. And. They can run their whole offense with Sanders. I think he's a good sleeper pick. I think the other sleeper this isn't a sleeper pick. But if you just look at Gary kubiak and what he's done offensively. And I know Kevin Stansky is in the offense. But they're going to run the kubiak offense. I think Dalvand cooks going to have a huge year. I think he's going to have a huge touch zillion times. He's going to be on the field. All the time. I think he's going to have a huge ear. I would get Dalvand cook early. If I could that'd be good news for the Vikings is their running game a year ago is really poor. Joe mixing Cincinnati think he can help give them a boost are they keep the Todd Gurley. So I think what you have to do with these coaches that have gone and left places. You got to figure out the role the player going to be. So for example, Joe mixon is going to be Todd Gurley. He can catch it. He can run it. They're going to run that offense. So I think he's going to be that guy that does it. I think he'll be really effective for them. If they have any success offense. It's going to be because of Nixon I think mixon's ready to have a breakout year, I would lay off of taken the bar. Look, we know Barclay Elliott tomorrow mccaffery, Gordon, we know those five guys look everybody's top five. But if you wanna manage your horizontal board in the in the fantasy league, this is how you do it. Find value somewhere else that you feel like you could take the one or two players. You've gotta have. And I think Nixon and cook or really could be values on that horizontal board as you're looking at it, which brings us to the last two of the sleepers Indianapolis last year. Angela had a great resurgence offense of for years, obviously wasn't sturdy enough. But you think Marlin MAC could be a difference maker the backfield. And this is when I have not heard anywhere else. Mike Aaron Joan to the Packers. What's your thought there? Well, I think it's the same thing that's going to be a little bit. Like Green Bay is going to be like the Rams, right? So I think what leflore his background. I think they got a settle on a back in Green Bay Aaron Jones is multidimensional. He's multitalented. And I think that Rogers likes him the most of all the backs I think he's going to if they have a good year in Green Bay. Aaron Jones as gotta stay healthy. That's been on problem for the kid coming out what he was at you tip. I saw this kid at you tip as a sophomore dominate and really look like a big time player. I think Aaron Jones could be a star next year because I think he's finally ready to emerge and take that next step and in this offense, he becomes girly. He becomes the Todd Gurley. But he's got the ability to catch the ball the backfield as well, and he can make some huge plays. I think that's the guy that you gotta look at when you're looking at this who fits the role of the guy if you wanna draft girly, you better have some real big Honus because who knows what girl is going to do. Right. They're going to split girlies reps up a little bit now. Yeah. That's the concerns. Really with the Rams David Johnson. Arizona and Leon bell. Despite the fact he's shown up for. It's very nice of pre these coming wonder if they'll have like a red carpet for lady on when he comes in. You think that would be nice for its New York? Why not what did you do all this money? You're supposed to help us lead the team, and you stay away. Like if you were the GM the of the. Jets. Wouldn't you have said the lady I looked before? I give you all this coin. Your ass is going to be here in the off season. Right. Like that's part of the deal here. Like, we need you to create a culture in this building. You're the highest paid player you the best. We just gave you all this coin. Like, you're not an independent contractor. You're not just painting the outside of the house. Right. You got to come in and paint the inside too, right? Independent contractor labial bell. That's his nickname now for the rest of the season. What's the concern with Johnson? Mike is the fact that Kingsbury with Zona you just think column Murray's gonna be the focus the offense. There's not gonna be enough for Johnson. I think that's a preseason. Take a look see I don't think any of us nearly know how much the back's going to be involved. You know what Mike Leach is offense? The back is involved. So this could really skyrocket. But I don't know where Kingsbury is going to be in terms of how much he wants to use the back, and if he's ever going to get you know, they signed some tight end. So I don't know how much why wing he's going to be in. And how much David Johnson's actually go to run runs that he likes to run. So I'm a little bit. If the on that one. That's why I'm amid the girlies need to because when the Rams drafted in the third round the running back for like, wait a minute. Hold on here. That's a high pick to give up for a guy that you're not sure with this other guy's going to come back and play and just to reiterate your top five again. Saquon Barkley Zeke Elliott, Alvin Kamara of the saints Christian McCaffrey the Panthers. Melvin Gordon of the charges. You said. All five of those guys bell cows tons of carries relatively young. I mean, there's not much tread on the tires. I mean, that's I look at twelve hundred rushing yards for each of those guys think right in the case of Barclay Zeki. You're pushing fifteen hundred brush Barclay doesn't have a big year. I mean, first of all the giants could easily not have a good year and Barclays going to have to have it in the passing game. I mean, you think he's gonna he's got to be multidimensional because they're not gonna wind up and run the ball against people. And especially if they get the Daniel Jones, we talked about last week with the schedule they get to Daniel Jones or watch out storytime is always the Mike Lombardi is fun. And this case somber news as former chiefs goes Gunther Cunningham passing away at the age of seventy two I feel like you've touched so many stories and people in fell what are you remembered says Mike of Gunther? Well, there was one of those guys who have been around a long long time. He worked for the raiders he was he was one of our guys at the raiders defensive coordinator at love defense Cortez people misconstrue Davis as offensive guy. Our love defensive coaches, always loved Gunther Gunther was always. The guy that would gravitate towards I'll and I mean at seventy two years old it's way too early to die just too early. They mentioned cancer. But to me, I just felt badly for his family. Good guys. Stand up guy became a head coach clearly wasn't a head coach. But was a coordinator. And then he kinda got bounced around mean he had to go down Davis rehab to like we all had to do. I mean, let's face it. He got his you're the defense Corday of the raiders you're going to get killed because Alves defense right Alves defense. In fact, my favorite outdoor of all time is when we played the chiefs in two thousand and five they were really good. They had they had Johnny Morton. They had Eddie kennison. They had a bunch of great great. Great players. Jason dumb was tight end. Tony Gonzalez Willie wrote was the tackle. I mean, they were really really good Trent green Larry Johnson. I still think priest home was there. But they were rotating. They were good, right? So we're playing them all week and it's late in the year north Turner's head coach, rob ROY. Defense core. Data Dom Martin Dell's the linebacker coach and we run a coverage on Wednesday in practice. And I'm like, I've never seen us run this coverage before it's really a weird coverage. So I clicked it out and wait for out of call me on Wednesday night. Well, calls me Wednesday night and says, you know. As always in. I got three things for you. I was there. Ten years. I've played the road games. The holt. I never had a home game never had a home game. Like, I couldn't ask questions. So I got three things for you. Well, the three things that he asked me weren't the coverage. So I didn't get a chance to you know, I never I'm not asking him next Thursday comes I got three things for you never talks about the coverage. Friday comes got three things for you never talks about the coverage Sunday, we're winning thirty one twenty eight okay. To four to go in the game. I think it's second ten at art at the chief twenty five yard line. Now, we've run the coverage about five times during the game. We run this play at Eddie kennison catches a slim post for touchdown. We lose the game thirty four thirty one. I get home that night. My phone starts ringing. Oh my God. He's screaming at me. Why did you let them run that coverage? I'm like, Mr. Davis. We ran the coverage all week of practice. I clipped it out for you. Don't you? Tell me. Click hangs up the phone next morning. I go into work early incomes. Rob Ryan with a big box of good, please. You know, he's sing. Along you know him and Don Martindale, his chauffeur drives them in. So I said, hey bells the old man is gonna get your ass big time. You'd better be careful, and you say for what I said, I don't know where you came up with that coverage. But I'm just telling you he hates that coverage. You came up with it, and he's pissed about it. And rob Brian looks at me and says what the fuck are you talking about? He made me put that coverage. Score. Kip. I mean, that's why when I went to meet Michael Lewis the guy who wrote the money and liar's poker. And all the great ones. I used to have lunch with them at this restaurant in Berkeley called Sol's about once every six weeks, and I would tell them some of these stories, and he would say you got to write a book. I said, well, I like to write a book you said, you gotta meet my publisher star Lawrence. He's over there on fortieth, Madison. You've got to go see him. So after I get sent to Elba from an Oakland. I'm out I go meet star Lawrence. You don't I sit down and Starr's office. It's got all these books that looked so great. I started telling some of these stories and star says to be, you know, Michael, I believe you. But nobody's gonna believe that any of these are true. We couldn't write a book still best selling both though gridiron genius checking out books. Plug in that good, reason, speaking plugs. My man how about this read this to you? There's a dark side to the American dream from the creators of root of evil gangster capitalism. Season. One is centered on the two thousand nineteen college admission scandal exp. Posing everyone CEO celebrities. We here at cadence. Thirteen are thrilled to announce cadence thirteen original series gangster capitalism, apple podcast radio dot com. 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'cause I've no Mike for ten years. I said do Lombardi's awesome. I go. He's so funny. He's been very generous to me kinda because he's raves about you as well. But understand the connection with your mic is I've known for ten years helping them stuff with speaking. You know what? You know, what my man is killing right down this being agents after genius. This has been great is credible guy. Ken is one of the most incredible people have ever met in my life. He he is able to he knows more people. He's helped promote gridiron genius more than anybody. I've ever had. He's got me on Yahoo finance. He's like my second. He's like an agent to me. He's my agent seriously. He's a book as he doesn't all he knows everybody. And I met him through the power of the internet. That's the fascinating thing is the internet. There is some good to the internet in terms of you can meet some really quality people some of the some of my closest friends now I met when I was writing for the national football post j Kelleher a lawyer from Albany, New York's tremendous guy, and then Ken is this from west Hartford. He's been like he's been like part of my my business family forever. And he's really an incredible guy. He's a great, dude. So it's good to meet him. Have you come up on the mother's day last one for a big favor from it you ready? Okay. Go ahead. All right. So. Game of thrones finale is coming up. So I watched the first episode a few years ago and just wasn't for me right to the my wife. Listen, I'm sorry discuss. And just not a big dungeons and dragons kinda guy, however this past for mother's day 'cause she's so hyped up for the show. We got the kids tobacco. I'm gonna watch it with you. She was really. Yeah. As you go up to explaining to me, I'm not gonna ask these characters. I'm just gonna enjoy the show. If you wanna explain some things to be that'd be nice. But whatever you want like it's mother's day. It's your day. So we enjoy the experience. I now know everything about sir c and Jamie, and there's incest going on. And they turn Lancaster who's gonna throw. I'm well vested. I want you to do what I did. Now, just for the finale, you don't watch it with Millie. She's watching but watched the finales and see how much of it you could determine and you and I are going to break down next week in the GM Chappel the finale of game of thrones. So this is watching show without context is this Sunday. The finale this son is the finale so just sit down and go. Okay. The whole world's watching this. I don't get. I'm not into it. But maybe you're gonna compare notes. We. I can't have any because I couldn't watch it with anyway. Because I would the first thing I would say to her is like who's this guy? She would say cheese Christ. I hate watching shows with you, and you don't know what's going on. So it's probably better that she's on vacation this week in Florida. You know, so I think that would work. I'll I'll do it. Okay. Apparently. There was three dragons before they're now down to one dragons, I keep everytime. Monday morning. I get up and there's like spoiler. Somebody just got what people get so pissed about it. I was listening. I know what happened to search you. Now say spoiler alert. I got the shows ending. They gotta go. Right. Oh, absolutely. This is the thing. I for the with episode bike. I was expecting mass carnage again sopranos the second last episode the blue comedy like, oh, my God, Bobby has gone Sylvia's in the hospital. Tony's running momentous episode like I was like, right thrones. I got cinematography is night school. It's like what the guy said in the sopranos when they're all sitting around the table and they were talking about veto veto and Tony was trying to parlay veto into because. Tony went to the psychiatrists really if you really want to understand the whole dynamics of the sopranos just watch the one scene when he's in there with Melfi getting advice on what to do with veto that advice. He's getting well after that he goes back tries to put that advice in and the guy says he's got to go, and he just extends that go. That's that's the whole series right there. He got to go. That'll episode is basic by the humor that would Chris's reaction to Polly courses angry. We're gonna take your right? Tony's trying to be sympathetic even though you're right in the two Melfi. He's displaying his macho tendencies and his beliefs on this guy. The best is when what's his face does boyfriend comes in. What the hell was his name? He had that. We're fin VIN. Yeah. Finn comes in and Tony system. Like, he's ten years old go get yourself a sandwich, any kind you like the money. 'cause finish to tell. Pitching not catching pitching, not catching. That's one of the lives of all time. Itchen not catch him when he was talking about what veto was doing ching, not catching. Oh, we we could do a whole show on the sopranos. It's going to happen. We gotta go. This is the GM chef.

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#35 - Ashley Kamille

The Cool Kids Table Podcast

1:14:55 hr | 4 months ago

#35 - Ashley Kamille

"Two one now. It's guys welcome back for another episode. This episode is brought to you by fish. They should a new street vendor trying to survive this to pandemic. They are very hygenic berry pretty much. You're willing to go out and eat somewhere at a restaurant. Do be willing to with them. A fucking shit cocktails and they are expanding. Their menu very soon followed him on instagram under the USERNAME FISH. Just the way it sounds. That's key H. I. Z. H. Once again. P. H. is the age. Let them know. Give you my Promo Code to get a discount. It's not a Promo Code. Just tell them. Hey I'm a coke or the coke Tables at me and they will give you twenty percents off your entire order at fucking beautiful help them survive this pandemic and you know one thing that you'll see is it's all about community. I think that this showed us. And so yeah fucking. First Promo. I think I did DRE triggers criticize but my guest today is actually Camille. Ashley is a podcast or herself. She's many things but one of the things she does is a podcast. She has this. Podcast called according to rush. She does a little podcast. Which is fucking hard. I gave her fucking Hell Heloc props because as you. I did a couple episodes of one of Solo Cello and the elderly was quote unquote successful. Today's liked it in years. Were telling me that he has enjoyed that shit. I pretty much hate him. I don't balking. I don't like him and I can't see myself having a successful solo podcast and she's doing it and hers is Great. I listen to it. I'm GonNa talk about this episode. She does that. I haven't heard the most recent episode. But it's on my podcast repertoire. Like it's something that I listened to continually and here she is. I'm sure she can hear me. Let me anew her how rude Ashley can hear me. Yes ma'am all right. Tell me how how I like your show. I the floor. Most I enjoy your show. You are very open you are you. Throw it all out there. And I'm like at his to me. I throw it all out here myself and I'm still too scared to throw it out there like you do. I quote unquote. This has been a successful podcasts as far listeners. Retained listeners again. You listeners and I treated to the guests I have a different guest like yourself. Next will be somebody else share. They tell people. Hey I was on his podcast. They listen people. Listen to you. This in this was good. Let me check it out. What else we have so. That's where I think. My success successful on small scale and yet yours is solo. Which is I can't imagine myself doing that. Like how and why I want the whole story. I want if you have the time. Go into detail and tell me like what is it like to put yourself out there and I think that's what makes your show successful and will continue to keep telling you do keep doing it in the DMZ and I'm just fascinated by you doing it like the way you do it. I'm I'm a I'm a fan. I'm no fan and I don't have the boss to put myself out there like that even like due to an extent. Yeah I mean people. Tell me that all the time like I can't believe he talk about. This can't believe he said this or you put your love life out there. I've always been open person so I never minded telling my stories and usually it's like to the person next to me like I'm been. I will tell you if you give me a topic like told me about this. One time this happened I will tell you five different stories with the same thing like it's very easy for you to talk about myself. Which is a has at this point. My favorite subject. It's been an issue for me to talk on storyteller. I've been told do stand up at certain point which I wouldn't mind never been unlike shy to like talking to people or beyond stage. I just think that sandalwood organizing. I'm not that worried is if you ev- anybody listening. Goes listen to my podcast. It's the least oriented alternative point a I will get to point C. but we're GONNA hit like h jail people for we got there. There's beauty and I i. I like that of podcasting. You go on. Tangents yourself myself my It happens where like start a story. And you'll have these and in a lot of times like who are we talking about how the I don't know and I. I love engagement with the what the listeners. So armee dude bad parts you went up on that tendon. I forgot what you guys were talking about. Even though in listening I'm paying attention. What were we talking about even though I always do like? Let's pretend there was one person here. Just one person because most of the time people listen to podcast. It's not like in the drew similar by themselves jogging driving. Or whatever may be so. I try to incorporate that mindset like somebody who's right here hearing our conversation next say there was a cameraman recording us right now in the were ritual man you gotta championships and I still don't see like be like okay. Let's talk about this subject. I talk about everything like I told you. Nothing off limits. Nothing whatever but there's I shared this and I stopped here like okay. Nobody My personal personal things that I still keep to myself. You don't think you've crossed that boundary fog and one of the episodes. You mentioned you're like people like they know me but you don't you know what I share and that's how I feel like Oh dude. I'm sure you'll love this and a lot of times Jimmy Recommendations Ray off and I'm like you know what I share but you don't know me by bike that kind of crude or rude or a little bit. Maybe but it's because they're still layers and endurance like here. I am like it or love it. Honestly it's pretty fascinating what you do and how you do this. I mean or like negative feedback from people. I try to date. That's the only thing because I started my podcast. Tommy about people. I've dated and relationships and was a certain parts are prisoners like On Your podcast. Like always bringing out my podcast. Lisera MY PODCAST. And it was your podcasts. And podcast and I'm like Bro I gues- talked about this. My podcast true but people don't get this person. Did I get it? I'm talking about a relationship that was navy like a year long and I got a square that until like forty five minutes later. Sure it kind of sounds like we did a lot shit to be honest but it's like it was like in the span of a year a lot of people trying to date me. Fear that I'm going to talk about. That's a matter of Yoursel is at won't break into my Cock Block. A date me because of the podcast. Legit your special. You're not going to be on the nickname like nob- relic from now on so immediately the next ten years. Maybe bring up relationships again. Why am I gonNa like Burma during relationships like messages? I get from dating APPS. Those bring up is hilarious from the face where I heard the one that you can give recommendations because you were talking about. I didn't even know there was a dating on facebook. You make out. I was actually. I don't think joining the walking my dog and I had to stop and like I looked up at facebook dating. I go there. And then obviously he takes it to your probably focus is even like so you're putting people on game m an the episode where you were giving out tips on how. I Aldea Dan. That's crazy you don't get it from maybe as a male like. I don't listen to that type of thing not that I'm like whatever just I listened to mine. Comedy shows the stuff I like history sports. I listen to that type of So then yours. I am intrigued by. I like it so when I listen to yours get like a female perspective on at first some people did reach out to me when I promoted your podcast. When shared a one time. What's her show about? Told him about her life and she gives recommendation at the time he got into say. He gave out dating advice by like she recommends a show. She likes whatever you like L. Again. It's pretty well done and a only like usually about an hour I'd say average I don't I'm not saying I would listen to every single person. That does what like back. Don't even know you. We just know each other through social media but I'll let hers is good and time. You should do that. You should do shows like the solo travel that I did. I am not that interesting and they want to hear like podcast like yours on my I am not interesting at all. You give out recommendations fuck in the music of the week and I'm like Gad. I can't do that a branded. I'm not very interesting so I'm like that would work for me at least but you. I think you have a great product. Adjust your listeners will come just it's it's in due time. This is really good things. I appreciate the exit hiatus because I was just the the quarantine As for me being a talkative person. I'm a social person so not being to leave my house to go to work. It's just killing me softly like the jam and by the way I got a message yesterday. I'm not I'm not sure this was anybody. GonNa save this for for our podcast so your listeners can get a taste of his messages. I get this'll Up So this is from when they asked. I'm on I'm very passionate about details on half ass long. He's asked but the little long as worth this person which will remain nameless. I haven't met this person. We've only message like a couple times. He messages nieces. Hated her post. Something and you know means it's GonNa be like what's up like where do you go for all right? Look I know this is weird? But it's been a while since they've done this the first of all I wanNA say you're related beautiful very a and I was in Where voice and I very much let you read. Richard Profile feel like we have been comment the winter housing that we have some very amazing sex. Ll just to release stress. You now I understand to be John. You and I'm very sorry this affinity or Matt. I didn't need this in a very disrespectful late. I mean I'll we're GONNA get him back but it's like I admire response in Classic Ashley. Way Was I'm flattered of what have I have a one third do like? How do you know you want to do this with me? What makes you think remind? Profile has five pictures of be and my little one paragraph description that were compatible visibly shooting. It's nipple unlike good Baby How paneling. Not now this is. That's crazy because I mean I get the M.'s. But it's mostly I mean as a male I. Granting ninety nine percent are poverty joy. Show Yada Yada Hey this was your best episode. Hey so so-and-so recommended it hey I'm a friend of episode number whatever so hey you should check out this. Hey enters at one percent. My hateful mess by weird messages are like do this. Show fucking sucks. I can't believe people listen to it. You're so full of shade. I like why do people like this? I Pop Austin. Do you follow my personal account. So I pop off. Sometimes I should. I haven't done it in three weeks. A three two or three weeks in. I just say what shouldn't do that's what they want. They want that reaction but for a while. That like you have a bad day. And it's not to for whatever but you get ten fifteen messages. That are all positive but you get one that like what the fuck in lately. Just ignore them. I have known on Instagram. You up but he's like a business account pretty much her. Yeah like with the. They won't come through. See them like damn like sometimes. We all have equal. I try not to like your show. Fucking sucks like just that sense like okay like what do you say all right man just reply. I don't even know. Leave it there and then two months ago I would stay in. Think about fucking reaction how to reply to do. They're not going to twin person. You're not gonNA please. Everybody came to that but it's night and day the type of messages. I mean granted you are GonNa. That was dating dating. I on his. I hardly ever get messages on my the answer. Instagram for the PODCAST. I'm being amid each in reaching out to people when I start reaching out to people for questions surveys. That's when I go response. But when it that kind of like he's suck like it will have their opinion but I don't like the only way response to this and it's in Spanish. There isn't a weighted translated. The Spanish version of the response per response is a genus. But side is only one bustles reminds all that sucking you point at your crotch about for the McKee like the whole way and that will literally off more people than you giving response. Is there a maternity? Let's see doc spotting but at the end of the day there's is to top his quarantine into way too much Omer. Don't do it but there's a tiktok where there's like the videos like whatever you want but the audience is like. Hey you suck in its telling you you suck and the girl has fallen like hey by separate lead my kids. You don't have to follow me. You can go somewhere else. The Internet's a very nice place. In is they don't like you Mike. You how many negative comments the been mouth and I try to keep the peace but at the same time as the show grows. You'RE GONNA please the people the people I mean. It's a recommendation right. And that's how the best way especially since you talked to the listeners. Let them know. Hey the best way to help me out his. Can you sharing within talent person? You're not gonNA fuck in your co worker. Emami that like. I know. My friend likes PODCASTS. I know you should check this out. Try episode whatever. That's the best way grows to get you might get followers might get whatever but the listens and at the end of the day. That's what helps me out. Is that people like ideals sewn so recommended number whatever and I love it so I checked out other episode. I didn't like this and that's how it goes but that being said somebody like I can't believe somebody recommended this bullshit to me fuck inside. Don't use them. Yeah it comes with the territory. There's always those people but just being when it comes just the first ones through the like. Don't listen and then you like dude. Had A bad day at work. My daughter is not being. You know. Not Not bad kid when she has a bad day on Strasbourg Hour drive home trying to get home. Check the Graham and you open up that like off this. You don't listen to them to just ignore it by the haters. I I have a non area are going to. You're going to. I'm your shows. Good michels did so. It's all about being prepared because having I'm glad that it hasn't brought to the surely hasn't grown to wanted to be because I would've popped off to some people and those people screen shot and we share it and he just trying to make tarnished image. Now okay that's what they're trying to do don't do it. Because that's what they're ending this norm and let's say I would had more or less than people would have been put off by like those response on Saturday like that should pisses me off. I don't check all of them. I don't respond now but just a you know. Hey this is gonNa this is GonNa Happen to you like very sensitive. That's kind of. It's a sensitive topic but I feel in. Nowadays people are overly sensitive. You can't say certain things you can give your opinion about this. You can't talk about this because offensive or somebody's in a pool of your old tumbler counter a research and you did a a racist Joe back in two hundred four and you were only twelve hours one. I think how the whole thing is that. You can't say anything. Everything is very like you know walking on actual. That's my opinion. I like everybody's overly sensitive. It's crazy I get. You're not fucking politician. You talk politics now. I'm not a fucking in sports broadcaster. Yet I talk sports. Not Complaints Guy talked about everything I used to be very religious now berry anti-religion buried done not spirit training like. Why do you talk about that? So you're not supposed to talk about what whatever the fuck you on some gives don't let they'll tell me Friday. Let's not get into politics or hey let's it's like whatever you. WanNa talk about is fine with me and I get hit on that. You're not a politician because you're such a fucking liberal old because you know especially when the somebody will recommend the show like it will grow your show but say somebody from Texas listening or somebody from fucking Omaha had the east coast fucking right now popping off in Australia. The previous guests Mexico people at all. It's 'cause you you don't fucking know how is it? I don't know one of our hashtags is. We are not experts. I don't know anything about anything. I will fucking idiot that likes to share his opinions. If I'm wrong tell me you know I'm okay with being wrong. I'm not fucking trying to be a perfect host or perfect. Whatever like fucking we all make mistakes on like if you have the data you have the Shit schone. Politics and religion is what really heroes and race and I was doing another global mini interview with somebody else. Just throwing names out there. Just China like I'm trying to collaborate the other people. Nfl like the whole time. I was getting ask questions. It was turning up the whole race aide whole at being Obama. Yes on Brown but among other things that are not brown like you know what I mean like Brian Crowd and this has also been brought for people dated especially when indeed roundhouse. That'll be like all your embarrassed. The He Mexican Libro Mexico ten years anonymous Mexican but sometimes I feel like when I'm here waiting never brown. There's always that that argument a Mexican And when I'm over there in Mexico Mexican only as the feeling if they actually like hero going don't eighty I'm white. You know if I don't say it's trouble own is not to be Mexican. It's either all. I gotta say that my recent the songs I just you're like in salt to nearby cultural Suddenly is somebody wearing Princess Wolf. She's culturally appropriating. She can't wear dreadlocks. In my opinion as long as something isn't offensive as long as Eric by celebrating the culture in their China leg embrace it. Why can't somebody embrace the culture? That's my opinion. I said I was born in Mexico. I'm back I'm an immigrant. Share that publicly gamma weapon. You can't say that word Ken. I do because it's just a word even offended Chrissy and it's not offensive. It's it's the use it to in a derogatory way so if you embrace it derogatory it is what I am. It's like being Mexican. I happen to be a Mexican. That's Olympic and you can't say stuff like that and then what you said. I hated Bush. Whatever I fucking hate Tequila Tequila to me is now a good liquor to make. Use your claim to be Mexican. You'll do yeah I do. Every TACO Two three more sports on Mexican. It's not the same thing. I speak proper English so previous judgment because wing week with be lessened like dude. We're in America. Speaks perfect Spanish English. I compensate the same way. It's like you can be educated. You can't be well read because now it's like oh you're trying to be widely known. I speak proper English. Of course person. Sorry just now. I'm reading. This is GonNa hit on me for that. I started to do the Louis but previously I've Read I. Can you know you kick word to use different Not Fancy we're not trying to people like high-class Your Killa and people get pissed off like logging. Try Try to be whitewashed. I'm not trying to do anything. You could talk him home as I have a different little. It's like talked about it before. Like a chameleon like you did where you at work. I'm not talking like Oh fuck is bad because it's more professional at home. I'm a little bit more laid back with my friend with my daughter. 'cause rounded you know. That story was a saint fuck but being whitewashed and Timbo Charlie. It's you can't you can't like I prefer risky. I love whisky at all and I'm not talking about like with being young pineapple. Fucking cranberry do know yesterday. Eleven need just fucking. I didn't have ice but easily on the rocks on the I'd like this. Drink a good Tequila. At short hundreds of Tequila I attended eyesore next to a place. Next door had literally thousands of the key last Tequila Bar and not for me. Not For me get so offended like it can like other so my friends snowboarding and I know other people at all trying to be white my best friend one of my best friends Mike Lombardi they really into offloading now they go to and I know other people that are like they're trying to do. It's a fucking hobby. Let people do what they do? When you're so worried about other people find happiness from live your fucking black. I don't see somebody there. Servino right like out here. It's weird because there. There's a lot of white gardeners and two minutes create. I live in a Republican area. It's mostly suburban rights like mostly middle class families and so the garners are whiting and it's crazy to manage it but it's not like all of your brain and like I won't think older taking the job. Somebody's GonNa do it. It was you know I I I was just like Whoa. This is crazy you like. You said the stereotypes in your mind. I try not to racial profile. Whatever it throws you off but it's not like a look a Hindu lists 'cause I looked into previously my life. I did a little gardening work. They mean bank and they off buy by two three PM. This could be a good life. But I'm already looking brown his fucking look at my former ten thousand. I stay out of sunshine on but this the winter open not much as I beginning this quarantine. I've been running. I'm proud of myself a little bit. I didn't get on that treadmill. I run inside all shift. Nice yes in. I don't with Chile and people I know people get mad and then like it's a joke. Take it with a grain of salt. Obviously not quite. I'm not white. My mom is very white. But she's the she's the most Mexican went out of my parents. She's waiting she's white white and when people see us together since I'm round but you see me in people pictures asked Brown but in my house make me miss them. When I would talk about the I I'm just talking about this with my co workers. A lot workers that offended that I say that that's my nickname at home route at home. That's my my family causes me because I'm the problem at like. Little Brown beaner inflator white rice. Everybody's blonde blue-eyed amount on like the Little Brown on the kindle bean and one of one of my coworkers about it. 'cause it's racist. Apparently my brother's home I'm not saying you're eighty tho those crazy. 'cause I seen similar things like at work and it's weird because it's like almost too. I hate that word but it's like to go. People are like any little issues now. A big issue. Because you can't see that's offensive. I do. It's not out of context. Maybe both like it's a nickname fucking. You're not trying to offend people. United crazy the weakness. You know the the left even though I lean left more of a liberal Liberal Progressive Myself. That should annoys me. I'm like dude. You are to woke for your own good you you you gotta down like. You're looking to Magenta I. I've talked to people with my non mine umbrella friends and I'll talk about my childhood growing up in I've had only got you. Were verbally. Abused your home. That's views. Could my dad called me when I was K and just a little like a neighbor real stories. You have of growing of Brown say that to other people bro. Why didn't you call child services? It's IT'S A. I mean every culture different to like as far as the way you talk to your kids or whatever and my parents did a great job. I'M GONNA fuck own behalf like but you see it in the culture right like it's a it's like a star or ultra as far as people but then other cultures have their own. I negatives which if they do things a certain the way you know and so to me it. I'd rather share the Info and show you how Agra and then other people like you said I was never beaten nothing like that my dad disciplinary. They would more talk to you. That's why I kinda fucked up on my own because I grew up a different way. I didn't need the streets but I chose But with great great people but just a different mentality than my parents still show that those stories all yet one time seven eleven and only this guy what I look. I didn't do my friend like he needed money. So you were there. Yeah like I won't say who right names stuff like that. But it's just like another story is just another thing to tell the mattress to audience with the listeners. Earning not just a impersonating because people don't see that I feel like it's a Great Britain number. You don't have to believe that I can tell you happen. I could tell you stories that the things that the out of necessity though. It's not because they want to. They had no food at home. They're Guinea addicted. They need to survive. They got one parent in these like homeland but couldn't they get wealthier? Couldn't they do a one hundred fifty a month and so when that's all you know you're too young to work? You do things. And that's what they don't tell you when the story that's what they don't tell you what books all members Why do it and people some people are like fascinated by it right than I didn't? I've never thought about it. Never and other people like you yet. The not to saying the white people to are certain middle-class Mexicans that are like all. My mom were two jobs so did. There's my mom did this. She made sure so but sometimes happens. And you have to accommodate like you have to roll with the punches. You have to do what you can and try to get through it. And sometimes when you're pushed against the edge pushing the store or whatever that phrase is botching it but you're gonNA use maybe you're proud of that the other day you're going to do such survive. You go into survival mode said so. People get offended at work My story right like I do. Open me up to a certain extent to make a friend or whatever they know little about you you had like a word buddy discounting let them know like oats. You live in mobile as Clinton Oh Shit Gangnam like it was like a lot like can you just kinda are my cousins are from this city very McCain Kulik so they know at relatable towel every single employee. Hey Dude I I wrote a game you know just kinda stuff comes up in certain issues would like old school. Mexicans talk about that. I could not right glamour. Parents were born here. My parents I was born here. We had land whatever speaking better today here. Fine to retire like so depending on the person depending on the subject is shared and should be told most of the time. The people get offended in my experience in my life doesn't matter that missing it's middle-class Group. I've been fortunate I guess life to be able to talk to people not like the one percent but it might be two three jobs growth. My boss filthy rich and his friends were rich so I got to sit down with them. See Thousands of hard work in at the time I had my little business and he would pump me up by this since the great things. He's always working. He's always buzzing has so when when he hit something like it's GonNa fucking the Gold Mine. So they'd be like. Oh man pretty interesting so I that to me a lot of these people and share my stories with them and they never got like offended the focus. The lower class people not say poor but below people. Back that it's relatable. They know the struggle they. They didn't go to those means but then the people that always get offended about certain things is middle class because they have that privilege. Just being able to to judge isn't like. Oh we did this what we did it the right way we did and whatever may be not just say the game shape. Oh Yeah I myself. One time filed for was it was the food one what it's called the yeah and we didn't qualify at the tunnel between jobs and I have enough for the rent. Or what are we going to do and saw what every begins telling me to try to so I try and think like a hundred twenty bucks for the month of off fuck is like what. That's not even a shopping cart. And so like he was all you could do. You could do that are they. Do they don't give you that much help. And I'm not a midday took it for that one month and then we went about our life that I got my. I got a job right after so it did I mean don't get me wrong. One hundred twenty dollars dollars. Yeah it does pay for something but it was just kind of like I don't get how so many people say these people were may be. Leech off the government. They can come here they would have all Bush me. This is N- not true at all yesterday on a facebook post on one of my previous guests something about getting the Economy California. Some guy posted like that's what we get for like feeding all these illegals talking. We help Americans. I had nothing to do with the Post. It was just open. I commented I have no shame saying I'M GONNA do. I am the legal. I do not get any assistance. I have not seen a dollar in weeks now and I'm selling on ebay surviving. You know my my stuff. My personal belongings are needing like my old TV. My the ship. I have an assessment. Don't say that like it's not true as I'm sure some people are getting but it's not as easy as you think getting replied whatever but I was like that's a misconception out there that people just fucking think that it's like here's cashiers cash for you. Here's cashew though. The people that get offended the middle classic up they call it a white people problem but I a joke. I have here home. His middle class talk because last week it was like one hundred degrees and in here. Thermostat was set to like seventy five whenever he goes at seventy five here as he will turn on seventy eight so. I had opened the door to let some hidden because it was. It was hard enough in here where they the outside. Open the door. Our Dan middle class. I need to get this. Acm and people can't wrap their head around how much money there is in the world. How much there is to spread out like people feel like fishes as much money in for listeners. They just have my hands cupped together but every time it not just the government but with companies when I read Sir Banks in I see how much money is just being out there. It just makes me want to work harder to more money one even though I spend a lot of it but the garba was able to send everybody so hundred dollar check and more right and they want to send us out two thousand dollars to give me money. I ain't GonNa find the trump you give me. My friends is trumpets his name on the check. I'm not GONNA accessibility over. I will take the money but I got bills to pay. We take it or remain. See companies like ultra ULTA Sephora companies that. You're not gonNA have you return Mak- like Walter. They have to get rid. They have to destroy and throw it away. That's many being lost. By the company by the prism in Lisa makeup in one of the companies. That still paid all their employees during this Kobe. Nineteen without any of them working p. The mall their full like salary. Am I being apart from like? Oh good for them. That's cute. They're giving them you know they're paying them. Just thinking are the money to be paying off that people throw away. Meka with people returning still perfectly feel they. Were it away like meeting. There's so much money out there and it is up for grabs. You work hard to get it but at the same time. Don't act softish to the point that you're just Dawson what he just grabbing onto that dollar bill to yourself. In my the way I grew up. It's always been like you can give gifts if you can spend spend. It's come back to you at the end. Dr Axel Selfish in February appointed. You don't enjoy life. Same thing that can among the because people want to sell something. Cool something sexy. Have Your Chana but the people I mentioned earlier as this guy had a copy carpet cleaning. He was a millionaire. Had Tons of other guy had real estate. This other guy had car washes this other guy had a like a public storage but his own company and they make ridiculous of money. And it's not to say you make money in Oregon's and have the rentals. He had four properties and each one of them. I can't say his numbers but each one made around the same figuring multiply times four in a month was like and you think about like public stories. That's not cool. That's not sexy. Before he started off with one got another one and from two he went straight before because he had the money and he had to call like financial backers and he had like the security of care. I don't pay him to take this kind of thing. Called Book Holiest Escort Dean Liability like this is like the loans. You could take my other prophets. But he wasn't expense and the thing is like the those little. It's a lot of money but if it were just one sound great by four is like Whoa an. He lives a fucking neck missed. Magnificient library travels at world. Goes to all like he's an old dude what he does all the Coachella. And what's the burning man? Does all of those? And it's the stuff you're doing young. I'm lucky in a sense to be able to have met these people and talk to them and see like the money doesn't make him happy. It's what they do with them. That makes them happy. So that's why I'm kind of like focus. I don't want to be rich. I just want to be wealthy enough to do things I enjoy. Go Golfing are having taken this staycationing. But you can't do much. I WanNa take me traditions. I wanted to see the world. Just having not survive for two. And the is like you said the money's out he's making a killing on one product or the guy that does carpets sixteen and sixteen employees working for him if he is making him one hundred dollars a day in that sixteen hundred a day. You know granted. He has to pay them. He maintenance on the trucks on the vans on like all that. But it's just there's so much money like you said I'm trying to. I don't want the whole pie. Slice NO SLIDES FOR MYSELF. Live comfortably impact. I wanted the future able to help my community and give back to fucking people need when I had my business. We did at Thanksgiving dinner. Giveaway by South at a couple of friends pitched in Thanksgiving dinner for families at a tunnel is handed like this is help people and those people were like literally in tears. Some wasn't for you would have nothing touches you you like. And it's crazy to me that you could myself piece shape. Can such an impact on other people? Don't talk until this year. That's one of the challenges in Twenty Twenty Vision. His donate thank That that not say it's but more people will How people so cannot and then Christmas a toy or avoid for you can't gender Thattaboy toy fucking Barbie or something like that and unemployed girl a boy to fucking truck with something you know like. He's these child exactly. She wouldn't shit from me. They won't tonight people that's not my fan base and so what I'm saying is trying to help others. Don't do it for fucking at the time one of the people would detach nothing. I just I grew report. We're going to have this in. Sometimes we didn't have Christmas toys like I don't want that kid to have what I experience could say. Let's see how your family's from that? At least I can do in granted. It wasn't one hundred families. I'm not rich by needs. But what the fans video is five or six? Thanks meals home meals. And they were like shook. They saw my apartment. I was living in the ghetto. The favorite a great light and they were willing to this. It was just because when my parents. It's what I'm trying to teach my daughter and I talk about homeless. I can't give them money every time when I they could do. It is go by their. I'm not giving them the money to buy food and giving the money with intently. Stewart and I want to show my daughter that like that's I I guess my agenda right haven't agenda now is Kinda Like even if you don't have much missing still give to people because I think this damage has shown his something. I talked about by. I think we're GONNA see a lot of small business for a lot of communities equal You kind of see that. Aim each other more than these corporations granite right now. Fucking Amazon's chilling you but you see that it's all about the people tweeting your life. Your friends business. You fucking my friends started. Okay let me buy yes a little bit pricier. But that money goes to feedback fabric for fucking private Jin. I think from interests my dad's not but yes with the whole small business. I just I. I laughed at a cost me. Giggles the people that want to like Greg in lower prices are arguing with people when they like ask for things they asked for freebies dancer discounts. It's like Bro. I know we're all struggling but literally you're seeing. How all these other things? But you just want a Freebie and people don't see that like if you're trying to help out small business just as equal. I've been fortunate because I've made friendships. You don't have that many friends. I'm like okay. Fucking great acquaintances. I've always been very vocal very outgoing very extrovert. I share my beliefs. People don't like it. People didn't see what the notion yeah. I'm not here to please everybody. I'm content with the people in my life and so I always get gang of support from my people in my life because I think not to say I give so. I received but I always support my homes. I don't ask for discounts. I give them ideas to try. This might only talked about constructive criticism. Because I've gone through it myself. This can help you out this better do this and so I think in a sense they kind of see I always support. Everybody's really support me. Drop fucking some hot news tomorrow or I GUESS. Yesterday keep listening Thursday. But that I'm doing my own. Shittu up but we'll see you'll see it on the talk on instagram. And I know it's GonNa go great. I know already Mario Dude. This is going to be amazing because the people it where I grew up in a monthly. I know that support will be there just because not just because it's me but not one. It's a great product to just mean. So they will show love and so I see that from people and so I try to support wherever canton obviously need say somebody selling fucking strawberries. I'm Lou strawberries. I can't support you but I share your fucking so I could do whatever. Tell my Jose so-and-so's sounding fucking edible arrangements. They're strawberry I can't eat them myself and I think that's where my help comes from. Initially they spread the word for you at least with the business. It is the business. I did it opposite. Mike by Sporting goods business. I don't want my friends Jim. I knew they wouldn't support me so let me see how far I can take on my own before they find out and it was a few months before anybody found out what I was two and then once again it blew up because everybody was sharing. Everybody was buying for me and people today. So that's why you're GONNA do hanging on a lot of work and I mean it's a business I'm Cheri. So the return on investment. Isn't that high. Make more money doing other things like dude. Your prices were so good on my prices. Were good because I wasn't making a lot of money off so I had a salad. La and the word that put in one day. Maybe I still have to do it. It's not the right time to be more rich to be able to pay people to do that. Work for me and I'm it'll come and I'm elise yes eh drinking. But what I'm saying is is a but the people around you will help you and when they see I saw. You're you're going to do as it. I'M A fan I sincerely. I haven't I haven't listened to disrupt but it's on my leg on my agenda Charlotte listening to anybody's podcast. Since to honest I haven't already do as work in literally. Stay home but there's Dr I work at home. I'm here with all the people at home. Hey everybody in my house like residing crazy and then when I work out I exercise. I usually listen to music or pop in a movie. 'cause I hate running embezzling way distract myself sufficiently to be like. I'm not gonNA notice how long have been running on the treadmill so only today I kinda suffer listening to a podcast on but Chain met his whole basis like literally how people I point him out. He's Super Cat. Says face the Gazza may was a bit of the episode. I barely finance Got Too busy with work and I continue but like my whole list. Podcast HILAS DO is Islam and I ended up aging the same brain. Podcast on my podcast. Which is your podcast. That's the only podcast I mentioned. Not GonNA listen to the PODCAST. Because I'm talking to you as close as a tool to meet so hot. I granted I'm not driving anymore every day. It's a hour hour and a half drive so I have a lot of time to kill so now what I do is when I walk or run with my dog. I enjoy listening to PODCASTS District myself the one thing that's taken a hit from me is mostly music. Renounced it odd cast across the whole podcast community. Listenership is down because people are driving. People are working in the distraction. Whatever and it's crazy to me I even like fuck the podcast Hiatus while oranges and I am talking so shocked that it's fucking blow during the nineteen. I'm not stupid people like yourself some relatable that you can go alcohol. This is interesting. She's finding she's intelligent. She holds a conversation very well. So let me take another. But it's created see like I'm on a few different forums where podcasters talk whatever they share ideas share whatever and they're all complaining about that. I'm sharing. That's what you see my pulse on my regular people ask no Tamika. How're you doing it right now? That's why share like eight. Make sure you fucking good pictures. Do this do that. Share on your on your whatever replies with mischief. I get so many messages telling me and I tell them what I do like. It's not working for me. I can't do it or you. I. I'm sharing what I do. It's crazy to me to like. I'm posting to three episodes we this week. I'm only doing one thing. I'm going to burnt out to sucking very time consuming. And it's a trip that it's up and it's what's looking for. It's like a legit. I took a week off oven. Say you know what I took a hiatus last year like five months I was down. I started with two episodes three episodes episode of sort of week episode. Yeah and I worked at the eligible. I have my daughter on screen and my personal and then people were canceling. I had to do fucking two episodes and that's Something House to became a chore. Yeah I fuck this I stop and our duty was so fucking missing. I wasn't ready for it and everything I was like. I don't enjoy. I don't ask fun and then I took that break. I came back in December January twenty challenges and I started recording game one episode every two weeks though bats were. That's where I feel comfortable. I have enough time to book people to record and to do everything else. And it doesn't feel like a chore more and then the Fucking pandemic so like any traction soclean off and doing fucking bored. I'M GONNA see if people want record. Be One of the great things is I love your. They're in the room you know. Turn the phone off. It's just me and then and we just conversation we might drink. We might live with my coffee my drink water but it's just us to in might like this big have TV on in the background music. I don't know what the Fuck I don't WanNa do it. And then I said you know what I'm going to start recording and then I started with one and people started growing up. Like hey dude is great. Can you do more? Hey how how often are you gonna be posting widely at the first wildly? It's really good. There's nothing else to do. Already listened to the other ones. I want to catch up on to a week two week. Three week really idol. But as long as I know you took your you gotta do it every other week every week it ever works best for you at you and your schedule. You have something good. I love doing it once a week. I did take my hiatus and I told my listeners. I tell anybody openly like my depression and anxiety just hit the roof with this quarantine. I didn't do anything I just. I was like miserable and I'm like I don't want to. I was sounding miserable. I don't WanNa like Macquarie and the author is just make other people. More miserable might break on step back. I'm going to try to get is altogether. I took like a three week week in. I just came back to it. This past episode was. I'm trying now. That are really talk about my personal Notions come. Nothing's happening. Why I'm in my house. I literally ever see. What is this day. I spent it in the living room and then it got dressed into the kitchen. That's literally what my podcast it'd be about so. I pulled up cinema my most favorite guilty pleasure TV shows and I did. I started this week. Went Degrassi but not the degrassi Blake Drake in it the DEGRASSI before drake which is like an eighty sitcom solid sawyer post. We're going to talk about the DEGRASSI. When who gets Johnny's in the wheelchair spoiler those during year? Everybody knows that happens. And now we are about twenty one st but everybody thinks entitled the movie. Oh that's fine enough now there's a TV show where it was. Johnny I roll ask Undercover Cop. Johnny Depp is in the movie because that was his first role in a TV. Show with the it is amazing. It's Horny has held. I love me some TV. I like. I like to eat the Chidi. 'cause corny and cheesy but keeping people cars off the But the TV show was on point. I have four seasons on the notion. I was watching. That was favorability. Tv show. And then I think the Guilty pleasure move these immensely with the rest of this month alone. It's just TV movies. That's I in the way you do is fun to listen to as we like. I watched the office skin right now. I'm currently losing then. I'm really listening to music. But the last two weeks ago as being the delirious English any Spanish at like not love Song Romantic But like those like heartbreaks aren't even though I'm GonNa Great Mood. I'm living live the best. I'm not an depressant people. Listening is something enjoyable. The my actually just posted which was funny no Gallo Beetle. That's uncertain my head. Even though I'd like not relatable to me or my life right now you have she. I really listen to that much. I wouldn't be able to do it and then you go on. Explain it you tell the audience and this is behind the scenes. I the thing is when I was growing up as a kid. I loved movie and TV so much that I would be that would buy the DVD. I would watch the movie by now. We're watching every commentary. 'cause there was always different commentaries director's commentary the actors commentary. I wanted to know when to ask L. A. Could stuff his brain every fun facts and still do to this day. I'll watch a movie or a series and I love it and some look it up and see what funds act so what. They were recording. Like why did he choose this actor? Who is there other options gets me on? Fire my my basement. Like that is my most favorite part of Milley's and fell watching interviews watching the actors. You're right there little like side gains. That was my little dream and start. My dream was to like interview. People interview them in so like in a show. Were you would play games with the actors literally. Will you want to see your favorite actor? Actress do is like interacted. You Funny Chevron laugh out that's all white or do buddy skits you wanna see them outside of their character in. That was like my dream like I wanted to be on generous. Extend them what kind of same thing. I'm less which I've heard his off but But then like my whole thing is when I talk about that I got really into it and I'm just gonNa live the whole inch life. It's just GonNa let you pretty much. I mean isn't a great way but you are extra and I think at extra is what makes your show extraordinary like. I think that sounds like a great idea because all you would really need is camera and a spot to do it right but I think what your person senility. It'll it'll work. I think when as your show rose you could start reaching out to people like branch Or something separate from your podcast. But that's very very doable. I've always been telling my home. Like Win Carpool Kerio. He started. I always wanted to do that. I'm like don't you have a good time like seeing your part of people like Oh my God. Let's chill embarrassing to embarrass the do stuff and I'm like I'm never embarrassed. I've always been like. Let's do this and I need a volunteer. You know ashes he on the first one. That's beyond me. Why would you need to do that will do it? I always volunteer. And since I don't WanNa like with that's the way I am and I think that's why your show is GonNa as you know obviously takes time as people find your show like that's why it's so good because your personality like do not faking. Were some people will try to show through podcast where they have this character and once that people have told me I should be a character and be like. That's not a me and you're you. When he works he gave me could hear bubbly personality on. Explain them if you have that amount of swagger that little pumping you're step and I say weird things they come out funny. Sometimes I dunno or where things are say. Some things come out kind of perverted or people magazine perverted to quick story. When time at work I was when my my boss dead yet By and he said Oh so and so makes my right eye twitch in so and so other person makes my left eye twitch innocently asked when meat is third twitch in a dirty way people like what the line not your third. I like I mean okay I in my chopper. The get dude where you're actually asking me about my Antonoff. Say The you Weirdo quick. Quick little side. How much longer do I have another ten minutes after the two minutes? Okay point to take down to the vet. I don't Wanna I want them to hear it from you a little Dante everything. Because that way they'll go listen to your show. Give me about me. I don't but the people listening mostly Maryland a paddle more female guests on pheno listeners. Had ask girls. It's a great show but a lot of so I can't listen to the whole thing because I don't know what the fuck sportswear okay. That's on the agenda you had been. We had planned to do this longtime six. There's more guest on but mostly men so I want you to help them shoot there one of my things for twenty twentieth. Shoot your shot twenty twenty. You'll have now faced with it. I constantly what it is not just under zoning in a tinder or on the dams shoot your shot. Go for it. Like shoot your shots wanting to do the things whatever. It may have been need purpose that I'm announced to Naral. She shot but help me help. The audience shoot shot. You have advised to give advice on your podcast. I don't want you couldn't tune into episodes. But how these male gentlemen shoot their shot in twenty twenty dating games my most recent chip which I found it could not be the only by Larry. Is's eighteen on dating apps where they take pictures. In Grey sweats there. Guess what I'm wearing. Yes grace. Let's see a whole concept not pictures. I don't I don't what they'll take the picture so the ally and I mean wedding hiding hostage muddle something. Or they're balancing stuff on like they're balancing. The shampoo bottle is stuff on their ignoring and with me as I said Dude like we need to take a picture for dating APP. Want to start doing dating which is fine. That's like the new thing now especially to the quarantine fees music teacher view like use balloting champ. Horner personality personality now peanuts guys. Keep an air of mystery. Lex Be like rest of is at the tax to it like personality. Whatever like those are things that I questioned us why I'm single. I'm not their Ohio. But he's bouncing a he's down. I want that you it's crazy. Virtual just fullback aspect of this genus. Huge baby making just an antidote. But funny you mentioned about the Pizza Dot the son since I used to be out there all the time. I have a courtesy. Carry a toothbrush toothpaste in my car. So before every episode Bush tea and then here you know Churchill. I have the same corporation. Keith they're not gonNA hear them. I could still it. It might be off putting to myself. It's it's great. I have braces so I don't gotta deal with that anymore but just something. I found funny. You read your some people's got some very people. Don't brush their teeth are they. Don't loss or they don't even like nothing. I like at one point dated somebody who did a cheating on me but somebody bursar teeth. The was like I don't want you to over me Guy. Was Me 'cause you're gross? She's gross. You're sharing germs. Best thing when people like this girl literally walk into work and just grab like a piece of candy in Stiffen Southerner Mouth Meltzer brushing your teeth. Look I can't imagine her mouth measure the rest of her. That's but again that guys personality penis and then just like ten of a nice conversation before was it flows. If you don't have anything in common like that's it my nobody gets hurt Stretch IT OUT. If nothing is GONNA work out there. Nothing you make a new friend at the end of the day. Nobody gets hurt immunity homey. I'm guilty of being somebody that will like be sad for like the first twenty four hours on somebody told me Lady. No it's not gonNa work out especially when people stretching I feel like it hurts for anybody woman when one of the phrase like stretches it out and makes it seem like everything's like honor. Mind much suck. There was a great name this morning. one of the pages I follow. He put their seven monetary seven billion people in the world. And you think your in. Yeah there's there's more pieces more fish explaining fish I'd be let's dating APP right. Playdium is it's too much for me like it's too many messages. That stresses me out. I prefer to be limited to how many people can message me. And how many people see the facebook? One is it's What's what I'm looking for? It's just easier to use your facebook like it's there the other one uses okay cubit and I'm trying to I told you I'm I'm not really on their responded whenever I remember to respond how the notifications so that's why it takes me forever to respond But when messages I those I always say them in route for like profiles at People's whenever they get into their violate the picture in my mind thinking I want message on. This is the picture you decided to choose. You think you look attractive. Remain attract the opposite sex. This way Joe. In this biography racing's Like this is what you chose. This is how you sell yourself time to. The point is good bio says not too extensive like something like a one sentence of strikes. You is sufficient in not pictures. Nice clear pictures smile on not. Don't show your leg no needs to see that that's great. That's great. Thank you for that because on some of these guys will take note of that and usually because some of the ems are fun. Tell me tell me things about themselves. They opened up because they hear me like you said they feel like they they feel like almost friends likes raiders. My friends lists someone a lot when we do. I don't I don't WanNa hear your bullshit to three hours a day. Interesting gas on out. Check it out but I so people been up and tell me things that I don't know like I wouldn't tell shit like that. I can tell you this I feel like some people will hopefully lose your advice. I know they'll listen but I don't know maybe the people that listen to this show. That's my fan base. The people don't see those pictures at my demographic a few more messages I can share these because I was about the Grassi this week but these are some good. These are so unoccupied coupe. Cupid's sometimes I'll see a profile in all. Show me their message. They sat me. I don't like them just initial message like this is trying to get my attention. And these are hilarious. This wouldn't said and you are a beautiful human being definitely healthy. His hands a little longer than most out. What if you're not religious? Hey out there is no one federalized. What's already I might be colorblind. But I see the red flags food Q. Flatter but now swiping either way Let's see this on says okay Hi Ashley Seeing. Nice from me. Sympathetic person moved to La. For months. Ago I'm looking for some friends and see what's going to happen. What's going to happen however folk I could make you delete. This added some errors. Okay okay okay. I'll say that's I mean I don't know how you would shoot your shot in these things. That sounds that whole yet. Delete the add. That means it's like relationship right. So that's that's different gets with the grammatical errors. Yeah it was I e Nice Foreign but oh no thank you This was Kinda like made me really quickly. Swipe the other way would have nerd house. Acquainting going cute. The doesn't make me want to look into this amazing golic. A bag Alex I have this wild bunch of JAS. Good Guard you are gorge our beautiful your profile and a had to stop by and say hi. I hope an awesome day to day. You have a beautiful smile and love your eyes are you doing? What are your tins began? I know get a million messages a minute being as beautiful as you are but I will allow the opportunity for us to get to know each other to do good to be true. I'm in and he gives me address on now. I feel like it's too many questions. Like how do you? How the coronavirus culture you do respond? I don't give me an address literally where he lives. What you doing right now. I need your help with all this wind. Bhadra and meet. I'm working on the plan. Cool and all you with all your my girl now. This is your complicated too much. I don't even know who who are. Tell me where you live. Because you want me to walk by strangers to my house serial killers to purchase Syracuse. I mean it's crazy from your perspective. I'm sure you probably do it on the lot. So if those stand out to you that same something Ashley. Has Been Amazing. I know you got things to do anything you want to share before we wrap it up now to finish this up wife. Get me up and I know you're sick so mom today like you have your human child to have my foreleg withdrawn from talking to you grieve. Pleasure meeting you plug your show and you guys can follow me any listeners. It's according to ask the number two ash. I have my instagram twitter. Who which is also according to ask to fall down. Consum- future has the to ash with the number to miss missile. Our means report them in the mattress lines around which has asked if you want to share that there. I mean if you want to if you want use the according to the two so but I'm cool with that. Yeah 'cause I mean those figuring out they want to finding you don't make a picture also. It's really pretty cool. Yeah that's great eyebrows. Thinking are they D'Amato come off a good can't so this isn't a podcast. But we have a little thing called words list. It could be about anything listeners. Love it a lot of them. Skip to the hand to hear it first and then the this is what I've been told up to one person actually so I can't say that everybody does it. A few people told me they only listened to this. One person sank they gauge the episode based on the words. That was the no pressure. But no pressure shouldn't have told you that Dan but people I guess. One person listens to their episode words of wisdom and then coping now for me. That's pretty cool that you at least try it out you know. I could tell a lot by what they say. The words I shouldn't have said this Mardi. Hopefully he'll pitch but that's only one person to no pressure one person be person Words of wisdom. There's always that one phase I share. I will be sharing for the rest of my life. And this is from the Great Rupaul. Out of you know who the queen of all drag Queens. I love me. Singer means that will be one of the topics for next month after I finish guilty. Pleasure TV but Rupaul always says at the end of our show. You can't love yourself. How how are you GonNa let somebody else can name and so always love yourself and then you can have somebody else as the way for me? Thank you for joining the pleasure binder at according to ash on Instagram and then on twitter according to ash spelled out. You heard him. I'll try to do better next time. Thanks for listening will see you next time in remember no one loves you had the lousy heck out me.

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Lombardi's Week 3 Reactions | GM Street (Ep. 308)

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Lombardi's Week 3 Reactions | GM Street (Ep. 308)

"Hey, it's Kelly. I wanna tell you about our great football coverage on the ringer podcast network every Monday, Bill Simmons, and cousin, Sal recap the weekend guests next week's NFL lines on the BS podcast on Wednesday mornings, ryen russillo hits the hardest angles in college and pro football on our new podcast, dual threat and on Wednesday nights, cousin, Sal, and the degenerate trifecta. Figure out the best ambling angles on against all odds and five times per week. The ringer NFL show reacts the latest news with Kevin Clark. Robert Mays take Frazier, Mike, Lombardi, and the Dan ac- football crew subscribe to the BS podcast, dual threat against all odds and the ringer NFL show on apple Spotify or ever. You get your podcasts. GM free part of the when your podcast network, it is Tuesday. It is September twenty fifth, and on the line. It is Mr Michael, Lombardi, Lombardi, how you doing. I'm good tape. Frazier, I'm not as good as you man, but I'm good life is good week four. Three of the NFL was awesome. So everything's good. You know the bookstore in good before I got to do. So my dick Corolla last week that was fun. I bid pardon my take. That was fun. So life's good man. I'm doing good. A lot of people helping me out with the book and I greatly appreciate everybody who's bought it and said, nice things about it. It's really been great in the book again, is good iron genius. And I will say last Wednesday, Lombardi, you were nice enough to let me come down to the last bookstore in downtown Los Angeles, getting to see a lot of people out in the world and join your book. I have not had a chance to listen to your pardon? My take podcast, but I had a couple of my buddies who are big fans of that program. Text me and say, did a great job. So I'm very happy to hear that. I am in Maui at the moment. I'm in Chris Berman territory, so I am here stay. Airing out at the moon at six AM in the morning. But Lombardi, we gotta talk about Monday night football last night, and we gotta talk about from fits tragic to fits magic. The Steelers might be back, big bins out there thrown dimes again, would you see last night on Monday night? Football reminded me when I was at the raiders you know, we would always on road trips, particularly sometimes at night after game, but I would get on the plane and all the coaches sat in first class, and I did too. And so we get on the plane and our would always either be the first one on or he would be the last one on dependent on how they got him onto the plane. But so anyway, when he get on the plane, if we lost, he would just walk to a seat and stand there and just stare at everybody like just do this evil evil look right and all the coaches when this bury their heads down into their trace. You know, just pretend he actually was looking at him, but he was always obsessed with figuring out why we won. And why we lost and the same thing with Bela check. I mean, Bella check after every single game makes the offensive defensive and special. Teams coordinators fill out sheets and basically it goes over things. We did well things. We deplore deported things. This doesn't autopsy of the game, so you can really get to the root of why you want why you lost. And last night to me was a game that Fitzpatrick came down to the, you know, we talked about his mean regression. He was going to have that all away where we knew he was going to have a bad game of eventually. It wasn't going to go this long, but at the end of the half, the bucks are sitting there. They're down twenty three to ten. They make a great play at the two minute warning. Mike Evans makes an incredible catch. I mean, like unbelievable catch. It seems like he's playing with a Nerf ball away. The ball just sticks to his hands, you know, and and then you get the ball first and go with the five with two minutes to go in the Steelers have all their timeouts. Well, you know, the box do the smart thing. They run it, right. Okay. It starts moving the clock. The Steelers don't call time out. They just going to sit there and let it go will the Steelers don't call time out that tells you you better run it again on second down at least keep the make them. Barna time. Mm out 'cause they're challenging you to throw it. Of course, naturally the bucks, throw it on second down and complete. Throw it on third down, incomplete, settle for the three points. Okay, great. Now they're down twenty three to thirteen within ten points. They left the Steelers three timeouts, and naturally, what are the Steelers do drive all the way down the field and score thirty score touchdown, which is their thirtieth point of the game and wins the game for and nobody on TV talks about it. I mean, nobody. I mean McFarland talks the whole game. I mean, I don't know why he's down there on the field. Do you have any idea? Why is there? I'm not quite sure. I think we mentioned this last week eventually Boogers gonna advocate in the booth of those guys. You would think, but I did find it interesting. I mean, it ended up in one twenty five on the clock for Rothlisberger in the Steelers, they go down th they get the points and I was that ends up leading to the wind thirty to twenty seven as the final score for the Steelers. I thought it was interesting. I saw you tweet, this is we have all these referees that come in. You know, Mike Pereira types that come and explain the games, the rule of the rules of the game, in fact, and and we don't have someone that comes in. Planes that, you know, maybe you do run that to get that clock down and keep it a ten point game and don't give big, been the ball back. You know what I mean? There was no one that brought that up. And when that happens, the Steelers get all the momentum going into halftime. And yes, Ryan Fitzpatrick through the three picks in the second quarter and yes, you know, when he got back from halftime, we looked like he was back to be an himself again or at least the version of Ryan Fitzpatrick. We've seen so far this season, but you know, at the end of the day, the Sooners won that game in one half, right? They wanted on that. Look, if you're Dirk Qatar and you've got the ball down twenty three to ten, you gotta be saying to yourself. Look, we're not giving them the ball back and if we do the worst thing we can do is give up a field goal. He's not watching the same game. I'm watching his defense really couldn't stop anybody, right? So like, why do you think all of a sudden you just going to become macho man and give it up like watch the game. Like we got to run the clock and look, I look the TV and I wrote about it in the book. You know, guys that played the game understand game management just because you're an ex player, doesn't mean you know, gay management, you gotta live it. You got to watch it every single day and those two guys. Jason and booger. I mean, they don't really understand game management. They've never had a call a game. I mean, you know, they, they're coming off as the experts of the game, and people saying, well, Lombardi just want to get in the booth. No, I have no interest in doing booth. I think that's really a hard job, but I do have an interest in trying to educate people about the game and why teams win and why teams lose. And if it's not happening on the broadcast, how are people going to learn about it? Like that was a perfect example. They never even mentioned it. I'll give you a better one, take Fraser and people say, well, the coaches after no coaches never know like just take the Atlanta New Orleans game. Okay. I'm watching the woolens play and they're just like New Orleans is the greatest machine of all time on offense. Like I'm truly convinced New Orleans should never punt like drew. Brees is so good. They should never punt. They should go for it on every fourth down. They'll make it. There's no way you can tell me the saints Arkan ten yards on four place. There's just no way they're so well designed. They have the perfect play call at the perfect time. I mean, the execution is outstanding. They're lying, comes off the ball. Take the Atlanta game. Take Frazier. Okay. Atlanta's went in Atlanta's up fourteen to thirteen. There's a minute. Sixteen go in the game and the Atlantis got third and five at their own fourteen yard line and Orleans has two timeouts left, right? You gotta be thinking here. We're on a short field where we're not going to score here like the opponent is in the saints scoring. Like we're not going to score. We're not gonna make a play here. Let's just let them, let's run it and see if they'll use one of their time outs. Right? And naturally, of course, of course, our calls a pass. They don't get it right. And what happens? New Orleans scores, three points at the end of half make it sixteen to fourteen. You know, they do it the right down the field do it and nobody talks about it like we don't even talk about like those three points cost Atlanta, the game, but we don't talk about it. It is very strange that we get into those situations with the game management in you brought up that Alantic game and it is a total back and forth affair. And obviously that's saints. Offense is really impressive, but Atlanta's been decimated on defense with some of these injuries. We saw a little bit of that come out, but I just wanna put out at didn't do this last week, but Michael talk. He talked about Mike Evans and what he was able to do in that game for the bucks. But Michael, Thomas, what he's been able to do in these first three games so far this season, he's got thirty eight catches three hundred ninety eight yards and three scores so far. I mean that is other-worldly. At this point and it just seems like, like you said, I mean, drew Brees and the saints offense. They're completely Roland. They win this game in overtime and. And yet again, I mean, we see Brees being able to handle a shootout like, you know, it's two thousand eight, two thousand nine at this point and and there's no signs of him going away, but but just on the other side of things with Atlanta, I mean, they're going to have to be in all these shootouts, right? We talked about the homes and the chiefs they have to. They have to outscore people sort of similar with with the falcons, right with all these injuries on defense. Well, they do, but I think you have to control the pace of the game. I think the key for the saints to win and the really compete with the Rams for the NFC title. 'cause I mean, look, let's face it. The Rams are good on paper. They're good on the field, and now I know lost to leave for a while and maybe they might lose Peters for a little bit this heaters. Some people say he's coming back to play just just calf strain, but whatever doesn't matter. I mean, their defense is good. They can rush the passer. So the Rams I mean with Jimmy Garoppolo getting injured in the west and we'll talk about that more later. I mean, the Rams you might as well just give them the west right now. Seattle's, not beating them Arizona and beaten him for sure. So give them the west now and perhaps give them home but to beat. But the saints could beat them because the saints. If the saints are smart, how they play the saints have to limit their defense to twenty seven minutes. That's all they can play of the. That's it. Like they gotta go on the game saying, look, we're not play more than twenty seven minutes to defense. You know, we can't do it. We have to control the clock more. We have to. We have to extend drives longer. We've gotta make it play. If you can play complementary football, you have a chance at Lanta has to do the same thing. They're down five starters on defense this week as they face the Bengals, right? So they lose two more guys last week and you know, you don't have enough guys to come back from, so they're going to have to rely on play unless defense. The answer is the answer isn't always playing better defense, the answers playing less defense, and especially the way the rules are now, blessed defense means a win, and I learned this from watching the eagles last year how the eagles gave up six hundred thirteen yards and twenty six minutes in the Super Bowl and won the game. I had a coach, the patriots call me after the Super Bowl and say what just happened like it was. So you know, second, what just happened. They had it happen like I have no idea. They just you move the ball up and down the field on them and they stay one. And so that's to me the approach you gotta take New Orleans can do it. So well, New Orleans is like their execution is beyond. When when I look at execution, I look at rushing attempts plus completions. That tells me how teams plan. And when you're over fifty two, you're doing well the saints at sixty six last week. That is very impressive. And we should said the saints do have marking room coming back in a couple of weeks and that will help them with some time of possession in obviously have an ability to to rely rely more on that running game. This is what we always do each week. We do the five performances that jumped out. This will be the five performances that jumped out to Lombardy from week three. First of a guy that he's getting comparisons, the nineteen Eighty-four Dan Marino. And as soon as you hear that, we can already say that that that is high praise and that is Pat Mahomes and the chiefs chiefs go in and they take on Jimmy g. in the forty Niners unfortunately, we did not get the shootout that we all hope from these two quarterbacks. Jimmy g. goes down with the tornado. We'll get into that in a minute, but first off, let's talk about. Homes on again, he comes out and continues to deliver the goods for all the chiefs fans, and he just continues to show that he's not afraid to throw the ball down the field, and you know throwing fifty touchdowns not seem like it's out of this world or this point. What do you? What did you see from the chiefs? And obviously from homes himself, I think Mahomes has been sensational, and I think he deserves all the praise and so does Andy Reid, but they've played through the worst defenses. I've seen on tape so far this season. I mean the forty Niners. I have no idea what they're trying to -ccomplish on defense. You know, they play truly battleship defense. They're calling stuff. They're hoping between them in Green Bay. I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish on defense, and then the, you know the week before Pittsburgh, we know how bad they are on defense and they opened up against the chargers. Really. They weren't. I mean this week against Denver, we'll get a good idea about Mahomes not because I think Denver's very good. I think their secondary is nowhere near where it was two years ago, but at least they can rush. And I think for for team plan, Kansas City, you're going to have to make them play left handed. You got to figure out how to do that right now. They have. Answers to everything you try to do on them and Mahomes has been able to make loose plays. He's been able to make pocket plays. And you know, Randy read call such a good game. He keeps you off balance, and so it's hard to make them play. Left added Mahomes. I thought Watson, the Shawn Watson was great new beginning of the season last year, but Mahomes with a year to watch and learn. He's been unbelievable. His accuracy is remarkable. I mean, not only does he throw the ball great velocity. His accuracy is unbelievable, and so would that you know them in the chiefs look, the teasha horrible on defense, but you know, they get off the field, you know, they play good third down defense. So that's really all that matters off the field at twenty seven percent of the time you can't convert. So every time you punt back to the chiefs, you gotta think you think you're giving up points. You're playing a big twelve, even if you don't change your thinking when you play the chiefs on how you approach it, like you're just out of your mind. I mean, like the other night when map attrition, Scott, he's driving the ball down the field, the entire first drive of the game, right? He has no problem gained five yards. He gets fourth and inches, and. And he settles for field goal. Like are you watching the same game? I'm watching like you know, if you're playing Brady three points typically in the past never mattered. Go for it. You know, you gotta do it. You got to watch the game. You're playing the chiefs. Every third down call you make against the chiefs defense. You better be really good because if you punt it back to Mahomes you're in trouble. Yeah. In Mahomes goes twenty four for thirty eight. He gets three hundred and fourteen yards. Three TD's again continues to impress. I thought it was interesting what you just brought up though. He's gonna go play this Denver Broncos frontline. Go against von Miller. Going against those guys are going to get in his face. He'll be the first time. We'll see Mahomes deal with a little bit of pressure. I also saw one little tidbit. Lombardi just speaking about that chiefs defense and trying to ramp it up. There's a, there's a bit of a rumor out there. There's there's a chance that the chiefs to be interested in trading for Thomas. Of course, Earl, Thomas had another great game against Cowboys. Getting two picks. The one of the picks was a very fortunate, but again it into the stats sheet. It is to interceptions. And if Earl Thomas was a guy they tried to bring in to Kansas City. Do you think that can can can do something to make them a. True contender and help them on defense? Or is that just a, you know, just an added piece that may be a a nice tool in the shed gives them a playmaker. I mean, this guy guys around the ball every play. I mean, you know what? He did against Alice. I mean, he's around the ball. He made plays. He, he's instinctive. You know, he's controls the third level of the defense, which is so important, especially when you're playing against some teams that make big plays. I mean, Miami lived off, big plays last week against the raiders, but so you know, I think that's really important. I can't see Seattle. I mean, he's the best player on their defense. They're rebuilding. I mean, I think at some point, you know, I've always been in Seattle's corner on this one in terms of letting them play it out. But I think to me, Seattle needs to stop. I mean, Seattle is not going to be any good on defense if they trade them and they're going to have to build around a guy. And I think if they could extend them, I think that's what Seattle needs to do to me enough is enough. We need to have a meeting of the minds and kind of come to summer as Lucy because this is all about the green stuff, right? I mean, he'll get Hammy lady on Bella, get happy. All everybody will get happy once they get green stuff. As soon as you get paid a lot. People start to put smiles on their faces. And we should say as far as a hat tip, maybe what's in the future. Kam chancellor came out in that gaming. It's the Cowboys. The fans in Seattle were very excited to see him. They played a little bit reminiscent to that twenty twelve version the legion of boom. And you know, all signs point to maybe Earl Thomas and the Seahawks can figure out a way to keep this thing going. Just speaking about brought up Mahomes cheese game. Jimmy g. does go down. I'm obviously this an appointment performance it out, but just see, Jimmy, g-go down to throw in those two touchdowns a tornado c. l. this obviously changes the entire trajectory of the season for that forty Niners team obviously hurts to see Jimmy g. go down, but just implications and all that. I mean, obviously a little bit of a slow start for him, but but after what we saw with the five wins last year and then coming out to a slow start this year at overall assessment of where we are in the Jimmy g. Kyle Shanahan marriage, I think it's disappointing. I mean, you know, look, this roster for San Francisco. They lose to high priced free agents. You know, they signed Jimmy, don't extension. They lose the runningback McKinnon. You know that he's, he's out for. I mean, they've had to really bad injuries. And when you have that, this team might be competing for the first pick on the draft. I mean CJ better. Okay. Say he's gotten better. Good lock. You know, we talked about it this summer on GM street about what teams go lose a quarterback, and then have the first or second pick in the draft because there's no backup and we and we specifically talked about San Francisco about that and they could. I mean, their defense is horrendous. I know they've got Solomon Thomas in the first round. I know they've got in a Buckner first round. They've got Armstead first round that can't. They can't do anything. I mean, Ramon fall. I mean Ruben foster miss more tackles last week than he made in the game. I mean, they were not very good, Richard sherman's now at one to two weeks for the calf injury. Now that's really a surprise and older player that gets hurt. Really. That's a shocker, you know. So you know, I just think the the, the forty Niners are not a very talented roster and they're planning division. Maybe they'll beat the, maybe they'll beat the cardinals and maybe they can beat split with Seattle. But I think it's going to be a hard sledding for them to win some games and. And it was going to be hard with Jimmy because their defense, really I mean and slow the lions down. They didn't never slowed Kansas City down. And in the first game, Kirk cousins looked sensational against them and he has looked the same sense except for the fourth quarter against Green Bay. Let's say in the NFC west and let's talk about the showdown in Los Angeles and that Philip rivers chargers team in the LA Rams th they go on and and try to figure out who was going to be the king of the city of angels in. It looks like right now the Los Angeles Rams are basically the cream of the crop in the NFL. At this point they continue to show off Jared Goff twenty nine for thirty six, three hundred fifty four yards. Three touchdowns one pick Todd Gurley continues to be unstoppable. At this point, twenty three carries one hundred five yards and a touchdown. Just looking at that Rams team Lombardi and seeing what they did against that charter team and the chargers have. But you know, they've played the class in the AFC in the class in the NFC. They're a team that looks like, you know, they have a chance to to make the playoffs this season, but but to see the Rams continued to dominate these games in dictate really the terms of how the game is going to become. Be played across the board is pretty impressive, right? Yeah. It really is. Everybody talks about defense, you know, defense wins the game, but to me when you're so good on offense, I learned this with the forty Niners and then when we were good in Oakland and certainly in New England, the offense can control the pace in the offense. When you're good on offense, you can go on the road a win. When you're good on the fence, it's harder to win on the road. I think we saw that with Chicago struggling to win and Arizona. You know, when you're good on offense, the roads, your friend because you can score points and points against a team. That's not great whether they play home or away really affects them, and so is the Rams are so good. I mean, they they, they never take the foot off the gas. I mean, to me the lock of the week, was them winning by more than seven and a half last week. We talked about it on Friday GM street. I mean, they were just always going to try to try to beat them down and got Goff played really well. Look, I think the chargers anytime there in a game against higher level of competition, I would say stay away from them. If you're a better I, I would invent the charger rule. You know, you want to call it the Anthony, Lynn rule, the charge rule, whatever it is, but when they play against a good level cop stayaway. The chargers have yet to prove they can beat good teams until they do it. Why would you bet on? I don't wanna point out one guy on the charges that I think that it sorta gone under the radar. And that's Mike Williams. A guy who obviously was a top ten pick last year gets four receptions eighty one yards. Two touchdowns in that game yesterday showed some real signs and I, I, I don't know. You can correct me if I'm wrong. It did did sort of feel as you watch this chargers offense versus Rams offense. If felt like the Rams are just the better version of the charters in the way they were setting up Gordon curly's, you know, the better sort of like the better version of Gordon and I don't know I as you watch those two teams just kind of solid different class, you know, got first class offense, and then you know, fill rivers and those guys can get there. But you know, they kinda shoot themselves in the foot a little bit. Why would you saute phrase you saw one coordinator that kind of tax coverages in the chargers and then so another coordinator, Sean McVeigh attack the judgments in the coverage, and that's what they're lies the difference. And I think his adjustments ability to do it. I mean, it's the same thing with the saints. I mean, they just do a such a great job of attacking coverages. They call the game really well. They do. Care about third down. They've got good third-down plan. They don't have a, you know, they don't have a small third-down playlist. They've got a large one and they can execute their executions really good. And I think they're often so on Aaron Kromer their line coach for the Rams has done a really good job that lines gotten better from year one. The year two, it's it was the weak link. I thought last year this year it's not been that case. I think they're playing much better and you know, look, I think the chargers are good team, but I think defensively they're a little bit of a myth because they've played the chiefs couldn't slow him down. They play the Rams couldn't slowing down. And if you're a good team on defense, you can slow an opponent down. They haven't been able to one the, I know, for sure. McBain knows how to attack Seattle's coverages. And I say Seattle because that's what the chargers runs. Chargers run, Seattle's coverages. And so- McVay really knows how to attack them. And if you're if you're the, if you're Anthony Lynn, you gotta think to yourself, look, they kind of know us. We're going to have to play a different. You take the game against Atlanta played New Orleans, New Orleans, kinda altered what they did in late. Late in the game when the land got the ball back when the score was tied before overtime, they kind of changed a little bit what they caught Alantic completely off guard. And if you can do that, you can do that. You can create some wins for you on cell phone defense. But in reality they never did. They never do that at the chargers. And that's why the will be their downfall. And let's talk about the downfall of a few teams in and sort of like just shocking developments as far as what happened a week three. And I think the first one that really jumps out to a lot of people think a lot of people had this as their lock of the week. You know something to keep an eye on talking about that Bill c, and we talked about the the struggles of Josh Allen. Even though in this game is you know, running for you going to rushing touchdowns throwing for a touchdown as well. The Viking come out completely behind the eight ball cousins of having to throw the ball fifty five times. But in general, that bills defense comes out early. We had fumbled problems with the Vikings and this is probably, I mean, you know how much you can take away from this. You know, you know, who knows at this point, it is week three, but the bills come out and get a very surprising win, twenty seven to six over the Vikings and. I, I don't know. Lombardi's is calls for concern if you're Vikings fan or is this one of those things where you kind of washed it away move on, you know, I think it's a concern. It looks slow on defense. They did not look, explosive, Everson Griffen that in play in the game, they didn't really rush them house, or I thought this, I thought buffalo did a really good job of giving Josh Allen a little bit of offense that he could execute. And we've talked about this on GM street. They gotta start building the Josh Allen offense. And for the first time all season they did, there was not a lot of hard throws bubble screens screens. You know, some flares really didn't have to make a lot of hard throws, which was great. Had a couple of deep throws. He made the guys didn't make the catch on them, but I thought it was perfect. And in buffalo did exactly what they've done in the past, why they were playoff team. They turn the ball over Jerry Hughes Watson's ational. And if you're a Viking fan, you have to be concerned. You couldn't block these guys at home. Now this week, you gotta go out to Los Angeles and you've got a block a really good front with a bad offensive line. And you know my rule, bad lines, don't travel well. So. I think it's going to be a challenge for the Vikings, especially defensively. They didn't look themselves. They look slow. Anthony. Barr wasn't the same player had a hard time tackling and space got a ton of penalties. I mean, every time you turn around and was a penalty on the Vikings and they really weren't Chris. They took that team for granted. I mean, tape raise your, I'm sitting there at Tony peas. I missed you, but you aren't there but halftime. Suns hours. It's twenty-seven enough in Buffalo's up, right? It's thirty five to seven. Teves are up. It's twenty to six. Giants are up hits twenty eight to ten. I forget who was up twenty eight to ten and then thirty ten last night at halftime. I mean it was like unbe twenty. Eight to ten was Washington over a Green Bay twenty. There's five. There were five games that had halftime. There was over twenty points scored in every one of twenty or more points scored and everyone. It's remarkable. I mean, so look, I think if you're a Viking fan, you got to be concerned, but more than anything of your Bill fan, you gotta be happy that jock they, they file it. Now this week they'll add. More to a Josh Allen can do. Is there anything to point to that? I mean, is that just all preparation to come out and just completely flat-footed. I mean, obviously understand that the Vikings, I mean, it you see this Bill seem and what they what they've done early in the season. Maybe they glossed over this game, especially with a Thursday night game coming up against the LA Rams. You know, trying to see if who's going to be class in the NFC. It could be one of those situations. Obviously, Davin cooked not play. I in that game at all for the Vikings and they're trying to save him for Thursday night, but but just all the you've mentioned all those like early deficits. I mean, is that a, is that a trend across the league or is that just something that just randomly happened this week? I I don't. I don't know. I think it was the Thursday night game. I think they were looking ahead. I don't think they stayed in the moment. I think they got to focused on. We got Thursday night. We'll beat these bills team, you know, and then we'll move on. They didn't get the bill's enough respect and every team. I mean, look, it's pretty clear any given Sunday rule. We could see it. I mean, you know, Arizona should've beaten, the should've beaten. The bears the other night. We had every chance to beat them. They couldn't do it. I mean, you can see it every week in the NFL. There's games that I mean, look, the titans went into Jacksonville, won the game every week. I do notes. And when you research that game the titans versus the jacks, everything in the notes told you it was going to be a close game. Everything that you looked at in prior game said it was close. The line was seven. It started. It went up to, I think it went up to almost ten by the time the game kicked and and I kept saying I wrote my lead note was everything tells me in this games close except my is like there's no way I thought that Tennessee could come close in that game. There's just no way, right and Bortles did what Bortles typically does says he'd made no place. He got hit early in the game. At his accuracy went off. He couldn't run with the ball like he did against the wing Lynn because New England slow on the fence. So he couldn't make any plays with his feet. His longest play of the game was a nineteen yard pass. That was a hook and lateral play. The couldn't get the ball downfield and the. Titans just basically did nothing on offense and won the game. And we've, we've seen that Jaguars seem struggle with Tennessee team. I mean, it happened last year a couple of times a obviously they can't depend on the running game right now with four net out, and it went back the Bortles being KAI that had to sling the ball around, and I think it was four point six yards per temp yesterday for Blake Bortles you know, you compare that to that. Some of these. He's the great equalizer. He's the, he's the only thing keeping Jacksonville close to the pack in the AFC. He's the only thing he's the only thing and if it's Jacksonville and the Rams and the Super Bowl, if that comes to foolish, if that's what happens, you know, you you think that you'd think that Blake's going to be able to move the ball consistently on ramps front? I don't think so. I just don't, especially if you have speed on defense where he can't beat you with your feet. You know, by the way, play great against the patriots, the patriots make every quarterback look great. I mean, if McCoy went into the game, he would look great against the patriots. You know, it's not hard look great against the patriots. There. To slow on defense. They got fix it could turn around. Maybe it is interesting that Blake Bortles is probably faster around the edge of the most most guys that patriots have on defense. I, you mentioned the parody in the league and I think that was the Tagliabue's, right? I mean, that's his thing. He any given Sunday wanted to have parody and then f. l. and it goes back to Pete Rozelle before you were born. I don't even know who made that line, but it was true. And and I think I'm trying to ask you a question about the Vikings. I think the Vikings looked ahead. I think they got so caught up and how bad buffalo was, and I'm sure Mike Zimmer had a hard time showing the Viking players. Good. Buffalo plays like you gotta get. You're gonna get your team like like for example, New England this week, there's there's no doubt. Bella check will have their full attention because they're so bad and they played so bad. He's got their full attention Miami on the other hand. I mean, when you look at their situation, you gotta sit there and say, okay, they've played so well, they're, they're planning to England. Okay. That's a step up game. So you. You don't have to worry about getting your team motivated for that. But when you have to play a team, that's not very good after and you know you have a play another game. That's good. It's hard to get your team up for, especially when you have a short week with those things that you mentioned the patriots and you mentioned that lions game? I do. I saw your piece that you put up on the athletic and I thought this was interesting quote, and you said the foundation of the patriots success on offense relies on trust, says vitals, any play is any play they execute. And right now it's obvious that Tom Brady does not trust his teammates. And you know you mentioned about, you know, overlooking team. I, I didn't know if there was any chance that maybe that was something that happened with the patriots. Obviously no-one Patricia really well, but but but it does seem like the patriots offense as much as every single year feels like for the past five to six years. We, we freak out early in the season about the patriots, and we asked the dynasty is over. And again, I'm going to ask those same questions because this is the NFL and this is what we do, but it does seem like that patriots offense is not clicking right now, and I in Brady and Bella checker, really trying to put the pieces together to get that offense going. Right? I mean, when you look at it, take Fraser so they lose Amadullah. There sixty one catches. They lose Brandin cooks, they're sixty five catches. They lose the on lowest. There's nine hundred yards of offense. So those three players, really they touched the ball thirty, three percent of the time for the patriots offense. And they haven't been replaced when element comes back. I'm sure he can replace Amadullah. Can Josh Gordon replaced? Brandin cooks. That's what the hope for 'cause Kenny Britt couldn't. And Jordan Mathews couldn't. I don't see sunny, Michelle right now replacing Dion Lewis. They need them to. They need to lose playback back there. They need somebody. They can swing the ball to can make somebody missing a flat and get fifteen yards Dion, did it against Jacksonville, you know, he's got quickness. He's got lateral burst. He can turn a one yard play into eight. They don't have that. James white is a catcher. James white goes down to easily. He's not a runner. He's a catcher and if he's got space to Ron, he's affective. But if he can't, you know if he doesn't have space, he's not getting any extra yards. And I think that's the problem. And the other issue is grat doesn't have the same. Quickness that he wants had. I mean, the great combination of gronk and Aaron Hernandez, Aaron Hernandez was quick rock was quick and explosive growth more of a of builder of speed now and people are playing for that. So none of those underneath routes really apply to ground. It's gotta be throws up the field and so that limits what you do ofensive. And I think that's the challenge for New England and then defensively, they can't get off the field that can't get off the field on. They can't even get the third down. I mean, in the Detroit game that hard time getting the third down, I think New England needs to do is is stop playing Hightower linebacker and just make a defensive end because when he's at linebacker, they're really slow. And so they need to play him down as a defensive end. Just make them a nickle rusher, put his hand in the dirt, make them a nickle rusher because that's the only thing they are going to be able to get out of them. They're not going to be able to get space plays and they gotta get more. They gotta get faster guys on the field on defense today this week, their plan Tanno ten hills, foot quickness will give them trouble. Tadahito moves around ten hell makes plays with his feet. And when a quarterback can do that, that's a problem. They're going to have to rush Tanna hill. Perfectly like they did to Shawn Watson and week one, and then they could win the game. I want to ask you about the Sony Michelle era. There's a lot of people. One of the biggest things I saw during that game, there were so many people that were very upset. Oh, you know, a lot of Boston. People follow me on Twitter due to the Bill Simmons connection. People were tweeting at me. Some of the worst things about how they feel about the Sony Michelle era and Bella checks dependence on him and his belief in him. And I, I just wanted to ask you, is there anything other good signs that you see from shell? I mean, obviously there's some hesitation and hitting the whole there. There's been a lot of feedback and a lot of conversations, but I mean, spellcheck going to believe in the rookie and keep this thing going and try to build him up or is it one of those things where maybe they look elsewhere to try to find a back, like you were saying possession back like Dion, they got too much invested in them. They drafted him in the first round, and I think they're going to have to. He missed so much of camp. You know, that's the trust factor. You know, Brady has to trust the back. He's got a feel like the back can can do are supposed to be the receivers. Cordell. Patterson runs the wrong route. You know, quit l. Patterson's moans going to run the wrong route. He's never gonna. Brady is never going to trust Cordell. Pat is just no chance is no chance, you know. And so now they wanted the game with three receivers. I mean, it's hard to win a game with three receivers, especially against a team that you, you need to throw the ball away from sleigh. So you know, you need to work on their other corners this week against the Miami there. They gotta throw the ball away from Howard dominated him down in Miami last year. You know, he took cooks out of the game. He jammed the hell out of them and really made the ball go somewhere else. So that's the challenge. And I think Michelle's gotta be a guy that learns more what to do can come on and be the back that he was at Georgia so far. We haven't seen that, but I think it's a little early, especially since he's missed so much of camp. Can I say this? I mean, we, we made a lot of jokes or at least I did on this past Friday episode. I thought that the the patriots we're gonna, you know, put in Josh corden and I thought they were going to run up the score on their former coordinator, Matt, Patricia. You told me to do not quite take it that far into to watch out and see what happens with Gordon and also to watch what I was with Patricia because. Lions team would be a team to to reckon with with the patriots and Mike Lombardi, you're right again. And I mean, can we give Patricia credit or is this again back on the patriots more so than what the lions did. I think you gotta give him credit. I mean, look, he double gronk. He took rock out of the game for spray. Throw the ball of gronk didn't let them run the ball, which was important, right? They had to be for the patriots. They went in there with a mindset to run the ball. They couldn't run it and because they couldn't run the ball, they couldn't really make any plays and you know, and so you gotta give him credit and look. Matthew staffer was always going to be a problem for the patriots. They don't have anybody that they can't rush the passer. I mean, Blake, Bortles look good against them. If Blake Bortles looks good against you than somebody else is gonna look way better against you. A Matt Stafford. You put Matt Stafford on Jacksonville, then they're going to probably win. They're gonna win the AFC easily, right? So that when you put a good quarterback against the patriots and he can make throws, it's going to be an issue until they can cover. They missed a lot of guys road and play. They had some guys hurt. Patrick Chung didn't play that hurts them person versatility wise hurts their communication. And so look, I'm not. It's not all doom and gloom. I'm it's not the end of the Roman empire in New England yet. But I do think this Miami game in the indie game will be telltale sign on where they're going with their season. Yes, absolutely. We're gonna take a break right here. Those are the five performance of the jumped out to Lombardy in week three or we're gonna come back. We're going to talk about some of the biggest narratives of the week, and then of course, give out some awards. 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We did believe that they would be a team to reckon with in the AFC south. But Lombardi, the Texans go down. Oh, in three. And you said you were going to be done with them? Are you done with them officially? Oh, I'm so dumb with them. It's unbelievable. I mean, I've never seen the team shoot self in the foot more. I mean, the first four drives of the game. They have penalties, Julian Davenport. I mean, the guy was a penalty machine for them. I mean, they got the ball first and goal at the five next thing. You know, you look up its first and goal at the two thousand five. I mean, it's unbelievable how they just shoot themselves in the foot. They have so many negative plays. I mean, people say what's wrong with Watson, Lombardi, you thought he was going to be great. You play, you play behind that line. See how great you are. You play when you're in third and fifteen half the time. I mean their their offense is horrendous. I mean, we'll fuller is a legitimate big time player. Hopkins is a legitimate big time player. They got two receivers. They can't run the ball. The giants just dominated them upfront. They can't run the ball. They shoot themselves in a foot. They get behind a long distance and then when their defense has to make plays, they can't make a play. The can't get a stop. And I think you know, I've been hard on Eli all year and I'm not. I'm just one games not gonna make me change my mind on ally, but I think Pat Shurmur did a great job with ally. This week moved the pocket. He changed the launch points. He moved him around and he attacked a really bad secondary Houston, secondary's atrocious. I mean, they don't have a corner that can cover John Joseph still their best corner that can't make a play on the ball, and so they're playing at home. They, you know, I haven't seen clowney make a play yet. I don't think cloudy healthy. I know clown. He's a great player. I haven't seen a make a play at watts plan, better Marcellus. I haven't seen him do anything, and I know he's a good player. They're not anywhere near they are. I'm dumb with him. If I ever bring him. Up again, tape Frazier, take the gun out and shoot me. I will do all that, but I will say the Texans defense obviously misses a guy like Kevin Johnson on that back ended. I it just seems like they haven't quite been able to put it together in this game. I do want to talk about Eli quickly though. Twenty five or twenty nine two hundred ninety seven yards. Two touchdowns saquon tonight's game as a rookie seventeen carries eighty two yards and touchdown. Odell nine catches one hundred nine yards. This sort of look like right the giants office that we expected to see from the get-go this year. Yeah, they did and they moved them around me. Sterling Shepard was really good. I mean they got him, you know, they've found matchups and they utilized them. I mean they went after them, and so you know they did a really good job with their game plan. Like would you take like Oakland's game plan last week. I mean Oakland really dominated Miami and the game. Miami had thirteen first downs, right? Oakland was just kicking their up. Now. Miami made huge plays down the field. They deserve to win. I'm not taking that away from him, but Oakland stolen the Baltic save your. How're the critical play the game. They're trying to get the Baltimore Tapia's Brian against Xavier Hauer. That's not smart. Like that's not smart football, like you're gonna lose when you do that right. Uh-huh. You give the ball to keep Smith on the fourth in one when you got marshawn Lynch, that's not smart football like you deserve the loose, right? Those two plays you deserve to lose the game when you're doing that. And so you know, whereas new New York did the smart thing. They took advantage. They understood the match ups and they went after him the raiders they did. You know, the raiders are two for five in the red zone. You know, they have horrible interceptions. They, they moved the ball up and down the field on. They were the better team that day except they couldn't win. The game could make plays in a red zone and they did dump things. They kept going after Hauer like Howard is going to be their best cover guy, go after everybody else on their team and they didn't do it. It drives me crazy. Like that's one of the things do have some coaches in this league or scheme coaches. And then you have some coaches at understand matchups and they set their game plan over the match ups. And when you watch a team like Oakland who has some decent skill players going after Xavier, how're even if Howard's trial and Cooper than Nelson, who had a huge first game first quarter, give him the ball. Right? Like an it's fourth in one and the one and you got marshawn Lynch, like don't be don't try to dick somebody don't try to fool them like just get the Big Eye and Liam the ball or throw pass. Don't give it to a guy. Can't score a touchdown. Learn from Super Bowl, always give it to marshawn Lynch, especially in goal line in fourth one situations, Jordy Nelson advantage, performance, six receptions one hundred seventy three yards. One touchdown I want to ask you just about. I mean the grew to narrow the ten year hundred million dollar deal. Obviously it's going to get a lot of eyeballs. A lot of conversations in a lot of people up in arms about things, but he starts out Owen three. You could tell that he was a little frustrated in his press conference. He brought up penalties and and the like, but you talked about execution and being able to to go against the scheme. I mean, does that comeback to Gruden his Gruden just, you know, running things out, he wants to run them and not necessarily going after scheme specifically because it does seem that way a little bit right there just sort of rolling the ball out there and seeing what's happening with through. They have the difference between John and Sean Sean McVeigh's going after the players, Joe Johns run into scheme. I mean, John scheme is good. You know, he can run his stuff and it's good. I mean, I'm not disputing that with you. But to me when you throw in the bottom Arteta's Brian against Xavier, Howard you deserve to lose the guy ran out of bounce. I mean, it was a horrible route. Then then the one route to Amari Cooper, Mark Cooper gave up on the route like they just gave up on the route like it just stopped and Howard got the interception and took it back. I mean, the raiders lack talent, but they also like some intelligence in terms of managing the game. And to me, that's a core problem right there. Look, I think gruden's got his work cut out for him. The quarterbacks really inconsistent. I think he's a lot people think he's a lot better than the actually is. I think that's a problem. I think they're offensive line struggles at times, but there was no reason. I mean, they've lead at halftime at every game and then not been able to finish games out. And I think that's a concern. Will that come back on like, when does it get to the point where we see some of these raiders fans or even we see Mark Davis or someone have, you know, pushed back on the Gruden situation or is it one of those deals where we understand where we got ourselves into? We understand where. In the long game, we understand that John is still trying to build his version of the raiders at this point and and there are going to be growing pains. I think all that is is what's going to happen. But I think if you're John, you got to be a little bit more systematic in your approach, setting up the game plan. Like you got to be able to identify who the weaklings are on their defense and go after and where amount just wear them out. And if you don't have any tendencies on offense, you can't be any good. Your fourth and one at the one don't give it to keep Smith. Give it the marshawn. You got a chance, go fourteen nothing in that game. Give it to him. You don't make him beat, may make them beat you with your best stuff. Don't make them beat you because you're going to dick him. You're not Dicken anybody when you get down there, we gotta be. It's, you got all these high priced linemen and you've got this back. That's hard. It's hard to tackle. Go after let him score, you know. And so I think Jonzon John's on a honeymoon, but John's got approved that he's adaptable. And so far what we've seen from his offense hasn't been adapted ability. It's still the same offense. He's run before when he was a tampon and it could be one of those things where the more familiar Gruden gets with the current interational of the NFL. I'm sure we can. See some of those old. You know, impressive habits come back out and you know, raiders fans will be will be pretty happy with that. I wanna talk about another big story line and that is obviously clay Matthews has become the poster boy for taking down quarterbacks and improper yet, you know, proper fashion based on the old days. You know, Roger Goodell puts out this the statements that we, we strongly encourage all defensive players. You're not hit the quarterback ever instead by the Madrid, we we, we're, we're in a situation right now where Vito clay Matthews takes down Alex Smith and and it becomes a penalty. And obviously we had the same thing happened with Mitch Trubisky a couple of weeks ago with with clay Matthews. I mean, what sort of the best approach, Marty, if you are defensive coach, if you're Mike Zimmer one of these guys, you know, Wade Phillips, whoever it may be me what what is the message that you send and in? What is the message that the NFL sitting at this point? I mean, obviously don't don't take your body and your weight all the way down with the quarterback, try to keep them healthy, try to keep them upright, but but but that will would that have a ripple effect. In how we see, you know these offenses play out and obviously the defenders are going to react in a certain way to all these penalties getting flagged. While I think this tape Frazier, I think the league has to stop talking and show and start showing. I think it's time now we're all confused, right? We're all confused. Nobody thinks these hits are a rough in the past roots football, right? So I think what the league needs to do, I think our our river on needs to go out there and he needs to show clay Matthews on video what he was should have done and let river Rondo it like you taught your body since you've made these rules and you think these rules are applicable really are. I mean, there are rules that apply on paper. They don't apply in their theory rules. They're not reality rules, and that's the problem. And so make river on or make someone in the league office demonstrate on video like just show me what you expected this player to do. If you can do that, I'll buy into the rule, but if you can't do that, how do you expect players to exit. Cute. How do you expect players to execute like usually when you rough the passer, you get fined, there's an unnecessary hit. Usually there's been no fines. Okay. So I haven't read where the been fine for a late hit on a quarterback or something like that on some of these are calling. So many of them right, and some of them are just bobble, but someone you land on the quarterback. I don't know what they want the player to do. So just show me show me exactly what you want the player to do. You demonstrate it and I'll teach it. And if you can't demonstrate, I can't teach it and it's really hard to watch the football life, Lawrence Taylor, the NFL now we're just put that out and then you see, you see what he was doing as far as terrorizing quarterbacks. Obviously, you know, he's a totally different thing without tea and what he was able to do as a sack is a guy that would get all these sects. But I mean, I, it's just a totally different time. Football. Obviously, you know, the pass rush is a totally different thing. I mean, I brought it up last week with Miller said where you know he's not playing to hit guys. He's playing for the football and you know, that's that's sort of the way he approaches it. But, but it is interesting and we'll see what happens with with all this. I, it's almost becoming the new catch role as far as you know, a point of discussion, I want to talk about two guys to new starters that a rookie quarterback said that have just been announced. The first one is who we brought up on Friday. When we talked about the Browns getting their first win in that, of course, is Baker Mayfield. It is official. Hugh is watched the tape, and he has decided that Baker Mayfield is now the starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns. Lombardi, obviously, this is good news for Baker Mayfield, but. Total in tow. This is good news for the Cleveland Browns faithful, right? Yeah, it is. I think it'll be exciting. I think this is going to be different week. I think last week against the jets. I, I think the jets kinda got caught off by surprise. And when you watch the tape of the game, the jets played really vanilla in the second half. They played cover three vanilla Ed. They really never got after them. They didn't really do anything on Baker and he, it was a preseason game in the second half. I'm not taking anything away from Baker. He did great, but I think the jets were caught off guard. I think on a short week, the jets were not thinking that Baker would ever come in the game, and this is where Al Davis was so good, Al Davis. She demanded that every defensive coordinator studied the backup quarterbacks in the draft study on right reports on him. Because if that happens at an instant, you gotta be ready to go and they weren't. The jets weren't. And so this week against Paul Guenther and the raiders is going to be a lot of different things that are going to happen on the road. Crowd noise it'll be a different element, but it's the right move. Now they can start developing the Baker Mayfield offense and clear. The sooner they can do that, the more productive they're going to be as the year goes forward. So that's going to be great. And then I think when you see, you know, Josh Rosen look San Bradford's the king of making money. He's also the king of check downs. The offense is horrible. I'm not sure it's Mike McCoy's were Sam Bradford fought, but look, they drafted this guy for reason you mouse plan may. What do you have the lose right? Your, oh three, what do you have the lose especially after that bears laws in a game that was completely there for the taking at a certain point. I mean, you you see that in if you're Steve woke, says your first year head coach. I mean, you might as well turn to the rookie and see what happens there. Just some more dinardo's bigger storylines that are going on. We brought this up a little bit earlier, but when you look at that Rams defense and you look at it, keep delete, goes on with that high ankle sprain. And then obviously Peters. Another guy that that's in trouble. Misery is Ernie calls for concern when you look at that secondary for the Rams, or I mean, are they able to kind of whether the storm for now and save those guys for the real run in the playoffs? I think the concern, yeah. I mean, they're not going to be able to cover people like they used to. And so Trump hills on the same guy. The, you know, Roby Roby's not going to be able to cover guys, you know, I, it's going to be a challenge for them. You know, Sam shields. Can he stay healthy and who's had the concussion problems? Can he lasts for the next remainder of the games? But look, the Rams are gonna win because our offense is going to get in front and their defense can rush the passer and Wade's going to be able to make adjustments during the game, which is going to cause some problems. So I, you know, I think the Rams are so good offensively that they control the pace and the tempo with it, and that's what's gonna make their defense and they'll take the pressure off the defense. Absolutely. And we'll, we'll obviously keep an eye on that ram seem as we get roll under. We're gonna see what happens in that Viking showdown to see who really is at the top of the NFC at this point. Another interesting thing that came out that that is a big talking point. We obviously saw the Steelers last night. Finally get back on track a little bit with that window Monday night football, but there is some rumors and some rumblings that at this point. The re the Steelers are, you know, thinking about the idea or at least listening to offers about the potential of trading in unloading on bell who knows how true that may be. But Lombardi, when you hear something like that, I mean, is there a team that sticks out to you or their situation that sticks out to you for bell, and and if you are the Steelers, I mean, is this sort of the right time to do this? Because if I if he's not going to be one hundred percent is a time to move on and be done with the bell era. I, it's just a hard one take Frazier, because look at bell gets traded. He has. You can't trade. A player doesn't have a contract so that that can't. So he has to sign his tender. So if he signs his tender and he gets traded to the jets, why would he sign his tender and go to the jets when he can't get an extended deal until the off season from the jets? There's gotta be a wink, wink here, right? There's going to be look. We're going to pay x. amount sign the deal, right, and Sousa season's over, we're going to pay. There has to be that kind of wink, wink, or else. Why would he signed the tender? He's trying to make a statement by not signing the tender. So why would he sign and then get traded like may. May is. So there has to be some limp location that he's going to get a huge deal. And then if you're if you're the jets where your pick any team, right, if you're a team, why would you give up more than your third round pick to the Steelers? Because that's all we're going to get in a compensatory pool anyway. So why would you overpay for a player that you really don't know? It's the teddy Bridgewater situation, the saints paid a third. You know that if they lose them to free agency, they'll get a third back and compenstory may not be the same. Third, it may take a year, but the venture, they're going to get their pick back. So to me, this becomes a little bit more complex more difficult to handle. So I think it's, it's, it's important that people understand that this is got to be, you know, to trade a player, he's got to be under contract, and I think that's hard look. I think the Steelers should go to bell and say, look, we are going to trade. You tell us what teams you want to go to, and we will trade you to those teams. You work out the contract. When you get there, we promised to trade you. When you come in, we'll we'll, I'll tell you when the trades official than you can sign the tender and you go and work it out with the age. That's the only chance you have because technically tape razor, no team has technically no team is allowed to call the agent about Libyan belt. His rights are reserved to the Steelers, so the conversation has to be to bells agent. Look, tell us what teams you want to go to. We'll trade him the one of those teams. When I tell you we have the trade, had the kid come in sign, the tender will send the tender there, and you guys work it out from there and we'll kind of full faith. Is that take from le'veon's. Perfect. Because what happens if he goes in signs at tender and then the Steelers decide the next day that they're not going to trade him. I guess he just doesn't show up and doesn't play. But I mean, there's there has to be a little bit of trust there too. Right? You got to have some kind of trust. You gotta have some kind of trust. You know, you can't just go into a blind that you gotta have a trust. Say, look, you know, I trust you to do it, and then look, here's the deal. You can then say, I give you permission to call the jets to confirm that we've made an agreement with them, and then once you do that, you've got it. 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Slash the ringer that is fan dul dot com. Slash the ringer back to GM street. Let's get to award somebody right, or are we there we ready for awards for the week for every are, yeah. Let's do a tape Frazier, who's going on the Lam who you got on the Lam, who needs to bring the toothbrushes for right now, a guy that needs to go the lamb is Jason Garrett the Clapper himself, right? I mean, we, we gotta talk about the fact that this offense is the worst offense in the NFL Dak Prescott is not thrown eight hundred eighty five yards. It's coaching malpractice, state Frazier, I mean, what? What did they do this season? Tell me what they did in their offices at that beautiful facility down in plano, Texas to to say, okay, what are we going to change? How can we create different schemes to help our players? Like tell me what they did like, where is it like? I don't see themselves on the back clapped. I don't know a lot of a lot of those things, maybe I don't know. I it Jason guaranteed come out and say Scotland a hand. He's not thinking about taking the playcalling away from him. Well, why would he? Why would he would like all these people that say, Garrett should start calling plays? It will only get worse. It's not gonna get better if he takes over the plate gone. What a joke that is. Like at some point, like at some point Lenihan was there because Garrett couldn't do it like, you know, that's why I call them the Clapper because what does he actually do? Like, what does he do continues you notice he team? I mean, like. So like a to me, they, they're horrible be to not be able to get Zeke Elliott involved in some form of the passing game. They had no idea really how to attack the coverages down their, you know, their offense of line doesn't play nearly as good. I look, I think their defense is good enough to win with. They play hard. They play fast or well, coached offensively. It's a whole other story and Zico LA we should say, sixteen Russia's one hundred twenty seven yards in that game against Seattle. Jerry Jones came out and said that there was no significant changes that would be made at this point. Dak Prescott is continuing to struggle. Again cannot throw over one hundred eighty five yards in the in his past five games that he's that he's played with the Cowboys. And just just in general, that offense looks lethargic and looks anemic, and the best that they looked was against the giants for a little bit. But, but since then they've they've been pretty empty and it doesn't seem like any message or major scheme changes are on the way for gallows fans or people that were hoping that was going to happen. Jerry Jones, Jason, Garrett, and the whole. There in Dallas seems seems set on what they have for you. Lombardi's I write is a Clapper the one who's going to have to go on the Lam. Is there anyone else's sit out to, you know, I mean, look, Jerry likes to Clapper. He he's there for recent because he does with Jerry, wants them to do. I mean, he's there for a reason because Jerry ultimately he's the GM. I mean, that's what they want. That's what they're Orgainzation wants. That's what Bill wall said to me in two thousand nine hundred eighty. That's in the book and eighty four there only competing against eight because the cultures and buildings can't win. The culture in Dallas has proven it can't sustain winning. It just can't the, you know, they bring ourselves in and got him a new stadium, but they couldn't do it. That's not what the culture they want it. The owner wants to be involved. And because he's involved, he, you're not going to be able to do all that. He's involved today without real football knowledge. And when he sees the product on the field, he really doesn't know. It's like, we started this podcast talking about why do win wide, you lose well, they lost that game in Seattle in the off season. They lost that game in Seattle back in March and April. They didn't lose that game on Sunday. They lost it back in. Arch and able and they've lost the games that they've lost this year back Martin because they've done nothing in their off-season to modify change or develop a new way to get the ball tape on Austin. Anybody who tells you tape on Austin was going to be there. Playmaker is smoking is smoking some really good shit because he couldn't do it anyway. He's never done it. So anyway, we better move on here. The fed player award. I'm gonna give it to the the Miami Dolphins because I think Miami has won three games this year. I don't think they're any good as a team. I really don't. I mean, I thought that, you know, I I, but I give them credit. They make unbelievable. They may big place down the field. They don't lose the game. They keep the game. They do smart things in the game. I think Adam gates has done a good job of helping Tanna hill and they've come up with this little offense that they have and grant's been a big, explosive player. Kenny stills getting down the field. So they made four explosive plays in that Gabe. They didn't lose it. They played good in the resin. I think that's why they're undefeated. I think the Miami Dolphins are living proof that you have to avoid losing before you. Can win, and that's what they've done and they've and they've done it basically seemingly with no running game me with Drake and gore, I mean, those guys are, I mean, Tanna hills probably their best runner at this point, especially in that raiders game. He was the number one option. So it's been really interesting to see that dolphins team put altogether that is all kudos Adam gates and and those guys for getting tannahill back next up. We got the KGB award. Lombardi, what team was taken aback this week in shocked at what they saw. I mean, I'm thinking Minnesota, but, but who stood out to you? I think it was Chicago to look. I mean, all these bear fans that are just hoping that Trubisky is going to turn around what I did part my take. They wouldn't let me say a bad word about Trubisky, which I understand. They love them and they have to. I mean, I know big cat does because because he's a, he's a s and and you know. But I mean, look, the guy the guy's going to have to take some time. And I said down on that podcast, look, you gotta hope the Steve Young, you gotta hope. He's such a good athlete that eventually it'll click for him for Trubisky. That's what it has to be because when they go on the road, no matter who they play, that offense is gonna struggle a little bit. And the more people watch the tape. The offense, the less effective it's going to become and you gotta give credit to buffalo. They'd do Minnesota bat, right? They duped them big time. So you gotta give them credit? Absolutely. Next up, we got can't tell my courage for my desperation. Who was this week? Lombardi, I think I think the, I think the Packers defense is terrible. I think the Packers defense is so hit or miss. It's Rolodex defense. It's just spin the wheel call the place. They can't stop. The run, can't stop the past. Never make a team play handed. They've got some decent players, but they play so many schemes. They have no technique or fundamentals. They do so many different things. Never really good at anything, you know. So they can't get it now down. I mean, this Packer defense to give up to give up twenty eight points in the first half to Alex Smith, get the ball thrown over your head because you really plan a coverage that should take it away, but you can't execute the coverage. You know, I'm sure on Monday morning in green is so what we had it right. You know, we had the great coverage call. We just didn't make the play. Well, that's because the fundamentals are so bad. I think Green Bay's defense is really hasn't gotten any better. I think it's, I think it's disappointing and you know, I think it's got some players, but I mean, Matthews keeps getting the called for the penalties which we talked about. But for the most part, I mean, they can't really stop anybody. Yeah. And you can't rely on an Rogers to do everything for you and that sort of the situation that they've been in for the past couple of years. The final one of the week, final word of the week. If you don't know. Now, you know, Lombardi, what do we know after week? Three? Well, we know winces back right wants his back. And the most classic example of Winston back was the game is on the line, gets third in a the colts call the perfect blitz at the perfect time. Perfect. Two guys going to tackle wins in the pocket for a loss. It's going to be fourth and fifteen. They're going to have to punt and what is Wednesday? We breaks the tackle converse the first down. That's Wentz. That's why he's great. That's why he's so unbelievable. Perfect defense against the perfect play, and he still makes you pay for it and you just lose your mind. I thought the colts were great. I thought the colts did everything they could. I think the colts if they had to do it again, they had they had. Third down play in the goal line, they should probably run the ball there. They try to throw the classic fate in the end zone that they should abolish that play from football just get rid of it. Right. But I mean, whence, being back, the eagles are not a great team right now. They go to Tennessee this week. Their defense played great. The red area again, which helped him win the game. When being back, he took a beating. I mean, he took a beating tape Frazier in that game. He came up smiling, but his body was hurting. And if he keeps doing that, I worry for them. I really do. He took some hits and he's going to have to bounce back. But I thought, you know, he's back and the eagles, third eight, no problem. We'll convert it and it. And it seemed like as soon as Carson Wentz kind of step back in that lineup that the championship eagles team, it seemed like that confidence and the moxie behind them was back with wins under center. I just have a few more notes before we get out of here. Kerryon Johnson sixteen Russia's one hundred one yards. First hundred yard rusher for Detroit since twenty thirteenth. Although I was pretty interesting tidbit. Calvin Ridley guy. We talked about early in the year rookie. We were trying to see if he was going to step up seven. Seven hundred forty six yards. Three touchdowns this week. That was doubt that was a good game because they were trying to take Julio out and PJ Williams couldn't cover really they had to make the change. They went back to Crowley. That was a hard one. You know, released on a good job, especially considering people were down on really the summer that maybe he wasn't going to be the guy. Allison. He's turned it on that really helps Atlanta tremendously because it takes the pressure off Julio absolutely. And then the final one, my guy Christian McCaffrey, Twenty-eight Russia's one hundred eighty four yards in a win for the Panthers thirty. One Twenty-one over the Bengals. I I have to say this. I mean I was very unsure that Christian McCaffrey could be a number one option number one back, but he is run and looked more physical and more dominant this year than I would have ever expected after his rookie season. So Christian McCaffrey kudos to you, Twenty-eight Russia's one hundred eighty four yards. As I said, you tape Frazier, I like to comment on that. I think I think if you're any young player listening to this podcast or any young coach or anybody, I think McCaffrey's a great story. He wanted the offseason understanding what he. I needed to do to become a better player, and he tells his work habits to do that and just watching him on tape the way he's breaking tackles the way people can't get them on the ground that he's not a light back that he's adjusted himself to me is a tribute to the kid. I think it's impressive. I think it's awesome because he knew what he needed to do any did it. He set a course for him. He was the guy that planned it and went ahead and I thought he was really good at and I appreciate it. I think that's the thing. Addenda fi, what it must do and then work on. We opened this podcast up with that whole theme. Figure out why you want figure out why you loss an attack it. Most people can't. Well, we, we attack this podcast. We attacked week three. I enjoyed discussing all this stuff with you. Lombardi, I I know it was a, it was very interesting week. I don't know how much we can really take away long-term from what we saw. But the obviously is a major storylines in some interesting scores came up this week for a lot of people. Is there anything else we wanna hit before we get out of here. No, take Frazier, but the young player this week that I like that kid at Carolina. The defensive lineman, I think is a day is he never played football for. I don't know how to say his name. He was outstanding in the game. He was impressive on tape, and then I, I love this, tastes them hill the quarterback from BYU the saints. Have. I think this guy's really fun to watch. I think he's amazing. He's great kickoff returner he's a good red zone quarterback. I think he's a fun player to watch. So those are my two young players of the week. Yeah, the ultimate utility guys, the guys that step up in the final hour and make things happen. I will say, I, I'm very excited to be back Friday. It will be back in studio with you and we'll be able to to knock this thing out. I'm sad that I wasn't able to be a Tony Ps to watch these games. I'm I'm staring out right now into the ocean, and it is hard to beat Lombardi. I miss you and but but I'm I'm not too sad right now, but I'll be excited to be back on Friday and see your face. Enjoy tape Frazier, have fun. Thanks buddy. All right. We'll see. This has been another addition of GM street. We will be back on Friday to give our picks for week four. Thanks for listening. Thanks again to fan duel football season is underway, and that's why I'm so excited to be playing fan. Dolphin dole has never been more fun or easy. It's the place to play if you're not a fantasy expert fan Doha's something for everyone. And there are more ways to win than ever before like their gridiron, pick them contests. Every single week. New users get a twenty dollar bonus when they make their first deposit on fan duel come play with me at fan duel dot com. Slash the ringer. Again, that's fan duel dot com. 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Belichick Makes a Great Bet on Cam Newton

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Belichick Makes a Great Bet on Cam Newton

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On Two, hundred twenty five stations across this great nation on Fox sports radio I'm RJ, vow and Cam Newton Baby Vegas style. You've heard the rest now. It's hero. Vegas has to say and we the right guy in studio. He's a pro who knows maybe the best NFL handicapper walking the earth. Here there's a guy in Costa. Rica may be competitive Steve. Sports bettors listened for the money sports fans to know more than their bodies. You're going to know more about Cam and his prospects. Jonas don't have to ask Vegas they. That's right. The Vegas Lead Cam Newton Sunday shortly before eight PM Eastern time the announcement was made signing with the New England patriots a one year deal for a little over one million dollars base salary with incentives could push over seven million dollars for the season. I'm not sure if you've heard this, but it's incentive laden. Yes, I mean that's important. I mean they got that word out there. Let's say that wow, wow, ballot, check ballot. Check all right. We're going to go through this systematically and be very specific and clear on our topics. You know sometimes. We like to have a conversation and hey. Conversations meander sometimes. We're keeping this on the key points, and this is the Vegas show really. and. How Has Vegas reacted? So Steve Fantastic? Let's look at the Patriots. Patriots over underwent total for the year so sixteen games. How many of those games will they win? Eight point seven five. Was the total before yesterday so if they would've won nine games? All exceeded expectations. The pats a little bit eight games. They fell short. With Cam what's happened Scott up by half a game, RJ nine and a quarter Games patriots season win number now. Okay, so that means if you look and maybe pull the sheet up naming the teams that they passed. You know the teams that were flat nine. Namely those teams and you got in front of you. And then the teams that were right above it because what I'm interested in is who is a race. Imagine speed racer. I don't know if you're older, you might have watched. That is if racer acts. He was my guy if Axes on the outside he's who's it. What teams have the PATS passed? And then what teams are they still chasing right ahead of them all right so they just passed Philadelphia okay, so they were expected the pass to win less games in, Philly, now expected to win more pass Seattle. Who? MINNESOTA. And Green Bay they just whizzed by by Green Bay but okay, and then who's right? Are they on the heels of Pittsburgh. Tampa Dallas. Okay so so right now. Still Tom Brady. And the bucks are supposed to win slightly more than the Patriots. Yes, okay. That feels lake. I'm RJ both straight out of Vegas a modest reaction. And by the way. Fazekas There's a word is called. Come up and. Fezzet how to take on Cam last week that I mean Jones, you should heard them China defended and pre show. I mean I said Save for save affair. He's going to answer for it. I'm you'll believe where he had cam ranked and he was ridiculing. A professional floor NFL quarterback. Chris I. Mean it was it got personal I felt like to me. We'll see if he stands tall. It feels like the market didn't move near as much as you would expect, so maybe let's super bowl odds. What were the odds are the odds. The odds were twenty five to one now. They're nineteen to one all right so still. If you look at Super Bowl odds, the pats have been like to one six to one. Or better pretty much every year, though as ten years, and now with Cam there about twenty two one. Hughes the question who's a better quarterback today? Tom Brady Cam noon. I shown is if you had if you had to assess that. What would you say I would say Tom? Brady, but Lot. All right I disagree with you guys so. Let's get VASIC. You know this is music. We haven't played for a while, but it's it's exactly correct. It's called the crossfire music. And this is when two people are battling in this Corner Steve. And I'm R. Jay. Where do you have Cam Newton ranked among all quarterbacks walking the earth worst. Cam, Newton Twenty five twenty five. So you're saying literally literally, all the hub of Lou is about a quarterback. WHO's twenty four? Twenty four is Philip rivers and WHO's twenty-six? darnold. Oh my God. You're saying he's as bad as Sam Darnold. Make Your Case Art Right? Look at Cam Newton. After his MVP year, his numbers fell way off. If we just look at Cuba's not an MVP level, okay, we got the go ahead right so the year after his. qbr Is only twenty five so well below. So we're going back to two thousand sixteen. Yes, so when you say twenty five. Twenty fifth in the NFL. Not Twenty five on the QB riot, right so you realize you say Qbr and you say twenty five ranked twenty fifth. Thank you good. Yeah, so the next two years qbr slightly below average at nineteen, so we gonna read the Qbr well is that? My point. Is that all there is because let's save some time. Yes, that's. Your argument, three years of so average perform so literally in sixteen, so MVP was two thousand fifteen. We only had the eleventh past Qbr. So you believe these MVP wasn't warranted. I believe it wasn't statistically warrant well. No, but you're saying, but you're saying. Stats are all the matter well winning, because you're saying nothing stats and I'm saying he won the MVP two thousand fifteen. He had the eleventh best Qbr, so he must not have deserved. It went fifteen one. Okay, so there's other factors than stats. So why aren't those other factors coming up in the years of followed because they don't fit your argument, perhaps his obviously his the Carolinas win-loss fell way. Oh, so the only thing was the win loss, but what about the year that they went? Eleven five the year. They made the playoffs in seventeen. I think. I don't have that number, but you know they made the play, but apparently wins and losses were part of your analysis right? Sure, but you don't know if they made the playoffs that year. Okay, so I'm looking at right now on the screen. In two thousand seventeen, he was nineteen. In, two thousand eighteen, he was nineteenth. So if we're looking QBR, why wouldn't he be nineteenth? Instead of twenty fifth and Here's the crusher by the way John. This is going to be like. Scrape him up. Anybody that falls full when I know you do, but you can be disingenuous Steve Let's be honest I mean. especially. There's money involved. Cam Newton had an amazing first half a two thousand eighteen. And you might say j what first half. Why's that matter so much? He was hurt after eight games. And quite frankly was very gutsy to keep playing. US. I'm sure you remember because you follow this stuff so closely. It was the fourteenth game I think it was a Thursday night or Monday. And See, he was shot putting the. He couldn't get the ball out there number. Yeah, that was the North Turner Year from not mistaken and eighteen really clicked, and he played well and he. There was a lot of people that had him early in the season in the MVP conversation. Eight Games Bill Barnwell from ESPN, said the game mark before he got her Yep Cam would have been the fourth. On his MVP voting. Now You might say RJ explain it. Nineteen touchdowns fifteen, passing four running. Four interceptions, no fumbles so nineteenth scores four turnovers. twenty-five now when's the last time we've seen CAM? Newton healthy on the field, see fabric that first half two, thousand, eighteen, th, so the last time Cam Newton played football healthy. He was about the fourth best plan. The NFL based on Bill Bar. While I think nineteen touchdowns, four interceptions feels about right. Does that sound right to you. Yes, and what you're thinking is in the two year since he's been injured, he's shown his guts by playing injured. But somehow some way, and he's only thirty one so at an age. Where should be an issue? He's draw from being the fourth best player in the League to the twenty fifth best quarterback. How? He's never been injury prone throughout his career. Well, let's be specific here. Seven seasons before two thousand eighteen. He missed three games. No, I think it's the opposite of injury prone. Yes, but in recent years to shoulder injuries, the foot injury and I gotTA wonder to to shoulder injuries yet rotate read a rotator cuff that had operated on two thousand, seventeen had a second operation on his shoulder injury, two thousand eighteen. Okay, but was it the same shoulder. Yes, so it was the same injury. He was just getting a clean up some I. He didn't have another incident where he left the field holding his shoulder. He was gonNA be out the whole year, so he did that like people get denise knee on time. That kind of thing, so look just adding false information continue, so here's a question. I? Agree with you that Cam. If healthy. Is Very different than not healthy, and because of the factor has been two seasons because you could say hey, he's only really had one major injury. Maybe you can say to because he was hurting eighteen and nine years. That means you're not injury prone. But two and two years means you are. We usually long sample size, but when you're older, we start to think maybe that's what's happening because he's taking Outta here sits. Yes, exactly, and is he now going to be more injury? Prone because of all the on the tires with what's happened I agree. It's a valid concern, so the question becomes if cam ends up being healthy. and. We have you on record what you've said here because you really want to back out. Where do you have cam ranked? Assuming he was healthy for this whole year. I said in the Metal Fifteen. Okay, defend that. After the points that you're making I, don't think it's defensible. I think you gotta put. Gang can't much more close to top ten. Yes. My Work here is done Jonas. I mean it was indefensible, and thus the twenty five is indefensible, because if you way out wealth. He's hurt if he's not her. This is a major addition for the Pats, so let's do this. Again just right take our break when we come back. I believe the people have it all wrong about the the pats of made. They've made a bat. I think it's a smart bat I think it's misunderstood. That's coming up next, but first straight OUTTA VEGAS is brought to you by auto zone autozone as more ways to get what you need when you need it with their free same day, pick up. You can play shorter online and grab what you need. Today at more than fifty seven hundred autozone locations in store or curbside visit autozone got dot com today to start your job fast. Get in the zone autozone. He's RJ. Bell Jonas knocks the pre-game show. You've always wanted right here on Fox sports radio. Shack, be sure to catch live. Editions of Straight Outta Vegas Weekdays at six PM Eastern three, pm Pacific on Fox sports radio and the iheartradio. App I'm Rj Bell were straight out of Vegas and Jonas Doc's Voice of you, the fan coming up here in just a couple of moments we will continue to take a deeper look at Cam Newton to the New England patriots. and to me, great data join I. Mean Wow, what a day to join! What are the Vegas odds? What are they saying? And why has the move been so modest? We think we know. This is the fastest growing show on Fox sports radio audiences more than doubled in the last year alone. Thank you so much for that. We promised to keep fighting the good fight. Right here in Las Vegas. Well, you can listen on two hundred twenty five stations across the country, and if you don't know your station, just go to Fox sports radio DOT. com and you can find it here in Vegas Eighty. Seven degrees on the Strip. The neon is surging so Jonas. We're GONNA talk in a minute about. The bet the ballot check made but I. From the Voice Fan, which your take on the whole thing, just Cam Newton signing with the Patriots. I mean how big is it? What's it mean I think? It's big from the standpoint that it brings a the best quarterback that was available on the open market to the New England patriots who look like they had a need it quarterback I also like the approach from Cam Newton. He's willing to bet on himself. He's willing to take a bare minimum deal. Diddy bet on himself because there was no alternative well, I think though his point was look I'll take a bare minimum deal. I'm a former MVP. I'M GONNA. Go ahead and I'M GONNA show case what I can still do at this level I think the deal has been in the works for quite some time. That was also some of the reports out there and I think I heard a couple of weeks to. So, yes I had heard. They've been working on this and I also think Bella check recognizes that Cam. Newton is played against ballot. Check a couple of times and put up really really big games and I think check if he sees a player either in the division or outside the division come in and hurt his team. He always remembers that, and it's why guys like Wes Welker or brought on Stefan, Gilmore other players I. Think Bella checks trying to strike iron with Cam Newton in that regard, very savvy points or cam to Ino in those games ran the ball for touchdowns is yardage and one of the Games wasn't great, but in general. WHO's undefeated against ballot check? Not. Many people so I agree with you Joan is pretty much. I've been down the line. I would say this and just a little pushback. WAS CAMS ALTERNATIVE IF CAM said Nah not enough money. I guess I would say the alternative would be. Sit Out. Wait for the you know almost inevitability. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I think in injury. That's where my I think on another team. They're being injury and a team would be desperate enough to want to bring him in. Jacksonville seems dead set on wanting to really make garments you their quarterback, and try and build around tanking I. Mean he had. He had a decent year last year for a rookie quarterback so I think Jacksonville's trying to figure out if Gartner choose the guy but. But New England's looking around going and I. also think this Bella. Check the idea that they were just going to tank and rebuild Bella checks at the point of his career I don't know how much longer he wants to coach and I don't know if he's at the stage of his career that he wants to deal with the re-build, which is why this one makes a little bit more sense today. Well I think one of the goofiest things and not goofy. Jonah's Knox Right. There were straight out of Vegas was on twitter literally. There was all I saw trevor. Lawrence trending and I was like And then it was like people celebrating literally every tweet that the Patriots weren't GonNa get. Trevor Lawrence because by signing Cam. They wouldn't have the worst record, and that's what they thought ballot check was trying to do. Except literally, the Patriots had the tenth best or so at eight point seven five or would have been about the tenth season win. Yes, so entering the year if you let Vegas make the power rankings. Based on the odds. The Patriots were the ninth or Tenth Pass. Team withstood them, but somehow they were gonNA. Give Trevor Lawrence and they're celebrating yet cans fine, but he's getting Trevor Lawrence except. Trevor Lawrence's played three games in his whole freaking college career that they weren't double digit favorites so in those games, his completion percentage fifty five percent. So if he's not a double digit favorite, he completes fifty five percent of his passes Trevor. Doesn't mean he won't be great. NFL quarter the idea though that he's like the next coming is absurd, but we'll talk about dialogue doing college football I'm Rj bow. Let's talk about the bat ballot check made. Now Mike Lombardi friend of the show. were, ballot, check, many many years both in New England and Cleveland. When he was asked about. Months ago, what would happen with the quarterback competition? He said I can tell you three things one. It will be economical. They never overpay for anything. Because you don't, this is the opposite of Dallas. My optimism for Dallas in the years to come. The cowboys is low because they've overpaid for almost every player they've signed. I'm not talking about back even, but it looks like they might have to overpay him. That's this is a salary cap league. Every dollar you save is a doll. You can spend on somebody else and every dollar you overspend is not a dollar. You can spend on somebody else. The Patriots effectively have won because they've gotten people cheaper than their vow their true value. That's what this game is to like real estate by House for one hundred thousand. That's worth one hundred twenty. You've done good. Buy a house. For one hundred thousand and it's worth eighty. You've done bad. Ballot check always almost always gets the value. and to me, that's the point here. Is Cam though it's incentive laden. is a million dollars. It's like literally last the Nanny Dalton. We're Tom. The two million dollars I mean this is you know Jaimes Winston? You could say just as good of a pickup. For the saints except as a backup, James Winstons worth is relatively modest. Odds are he won't play much. But. Cam is favored right now to be the starting quarterback. In two days or week one. Sixty six percent chance based on the batting odds they cam starts week one minus two twenty. Yes, plus one eighty. No. Sixty six percent. Now phase. You agree with me that as the season progresses. If I said, what would you make? The odds cameras going to be starting week six? Would they be higher than that hire? More like seventy five percent, plus so the theory is cam is the very likely gonNA play a majority of the Games this season if he doesn't get hurt for the Patriots. That's the value for the million dollars through the roof. What are the risks? Well? Injuries is in. Maybe he is beaten down. Maybe is injury prone at this number two maybe locker room questions right could be. He's not gonNA. Be a great teammate. But. He's got a lottery ticket. If you walk by Roulette table the odds to hit a random now or just any number phases one on rule at thirty, seven to one thirty seven to one. With one zero two zero. Okay okay. Two zero six number thirty six numbers plus two zero Oh. You're saying thirty seven to one. Yes, or four, one, thirty, eight, four one all right. I'm not sure about that I'm not Roulette Guy. Is If I said hey? I'll give you forty forty, two one, which means better ought. Unless you thought the wheel somehow was crooked. What would you do I bet it even though is roulette a good bet? No, it is a forty two one it is. Is Cam Newton a good signing it? Is it a million dollars. Incentive Laden. And that's bell checks whole way. Mike lombardi point to said there'll be an open competition. So that means they're gonNA compete. WHOEVER'S BASKETBALL START? It won't be like something's given away. Well if you've got one quarterback with a lot of questions, stem him. What do you WanNa? Do you WANNA diversify you. WanNa have a backup plan. If you have a car that is a the newest Tesla. Maybe you don't need a second car. Maybe you don't need an Uber Account. But? If you got a car that goes, you know literally. The car barely starts. You better have someone number that can ride you there if you need it so to me. When they had brady, it was a situation where they didn't spend a you know they did keep drafting quarterbacks even then, but it was less important because Brady played most the games, and he was obviously great. Right sure the question becomes. When you have stood him. WHO's an unproven second year quarterback? Would you want you want another lottery ticket? So if would've wanted eight nine million, like he probably did or the eighteen, or so that he would have got paid in Carolina was worth it. Just, like thirty three to one wouldn't be worth in roulette, but when the number finally passed. Positive ev profitable ballot check, said Yup come on down. To me, this is classic check. It's not because cam had such a good chance of succeeding. It's because for the price. It's a good bet, exactly. He's buying low here yet, but that to me is directional. You're right. He's buying but more importantly. He's buying a price that makes it worth the risk. Yes, which is low, but it's worth the risk. Does that resonate with you JOE FOR VEGAS? Guys, that's intuitive. Does that resonate with you? John's the yeah. He played. It almost was like Bella check in the Patriots were outsmarting the market yet again because you saw nick, foles not only did. Did the bears have to give up a draft pick? But they had to restructure his deal and they're paying him Andy. Dalton. Got More Money Than Cam Newton knitted and Belichick and the Patriots just sort of played the market and played the market, and then when the price dropped down on the item which was cam, Newton. Then they were able to strike, and they get a former MVP for a fraction of what other teams have paid quarterbacks Marcus Mariota got. I think eight million dollars a year. I mean Belichick. Got Cam Newton a former MVP for a million and change I. think it was a home run. No doubt in the thing is that if cam. Washes out. It's not going to be like Oh ballot. Check made a mistake. Because if with the forty two one hypothetical in Rolette chances are you're gonNA lose that Bat, no doubt but it's often the not nick. It's a mistake. Yeah, but not not mistake. It's a losing bet, but you could hit a home run with it, and it's for the right price and if you have a car like this. You wanted one of backup. There, it is started. Say. Cam. You know what. This is perfect for ballot. Check because. I. If someone could give me, odds stood. Him is the starter next year. You give me six. Two. One. Five to one eyed gobbled up. Sure because. I believe the odds are about right. The market is saying sixty six percent of Cam starts I, think that's about right, but if stood him, starts one out of three, or if cam starts, and then fails and doesn't do great. Then stood him comes in. Ballot, check says I now have two ways to have a good quarterback. One is cam is more like we thought or he was in the past fazekas wrong but either way. How's it feel to have ballot? Check just completely like it's almost a. he listened to the show and said. I'm sick of that fantastic. Calm upset? It's a deal. It's a God came down and said you were wrong and Bella. Check is my God you don't bet against Bella check and boy that is very disconcerting. Right I mean. Yeah. Yeah I mean. There's no. Drop I. You know I mean there's no other way to really say to be honest. Bella check disagree with you about football. That's a bad day yet. I don't Joe's. I'm not sure I ever had a day. That bad on Air I. Don't know I've never heard anybody actually say Bella check. was there God that listen I kind of know I see that because if you're an analytical guy like Faz, you're going to buy into that. It's funny Bella, Chac. Rj both straight out of Vegas Bella check. Actually upsets fake analytic people. Because fake analytic people and I mean they don't really understand it. They just like to. They're attracted to the idea. It's objective. And there's some radio guys like that. I don't WanNa name Nancy. Is when Bella check disagrees with them. They get upset him because they realize he's thinking in another level, but they're so involved with their ego. They start to bash ballot check. And say, don't you? Realize is so few times in life. If you're smart that you can be sure you're wrong that when you're wrong, it's a such an opportunity. To correct yourself to say I'm, GONNA, stop. It's hard to be right unless you care about being right because it takes a lot of work, it takes humility. You got to be willing to say. You're wrong a bunch because everyone's wrong a bunch. But when ballot check says you're wrong Steve as ache. You know it's you can lash out on them like some of the radio guys do, or you can accept it and say thank you for the information. Mr. Ballot check like debating. You. Know I'll usually take that excess ballot. Check and you know what the beauty ballot check. Is He's earned this. Where if you read the book, the making of a coach and it's a great book. It was in two thousand five ballot check. He participated some and it was from a guy named Habur Stam. WHO's a famous historian writer? He usually he did the breaks of the game. You know, so. He usually goes from sports. He passed away sports books to history sport. And it explains where a lot of people know ballot checks. Father was one of the original Scout. He wrote a scouting manual. That was one of the original books on the you can. Get an Amazon right now. Still Steve Ballot check. And he literally was fifteen sixteen years old, going with his dad to Scout. And he played I. Think in Audubon, but somewhere in Ohio. He was not any good, but he played to get experience. He started coaching. The guy's been doing this for like. Fifty years almost, and he's seen. It always done it all and he kept his passion. Bella checks skillset Yeah, the education of a coach is the title, and it's something to me that it's wonderful to see somebody ballot check that's kept his passion for the same thing all this time, because let's be honest and society today go from one thing like me. I. Love Radio I love podcast. I have a natural skill at it. But Guy like Joan is who from the young age? How old were you when you decided? You wanted to go into radio? I sports sock RADII. I heard I was twelve. Maybe and that's when you said I WANNA do that. Yeah! I just thought it was so cool that that was actually job. Did you ever watch one Tree Hill now? There was a kidney mouth on that show that he was. They caught him out because he always thought he wanted to be an. He would announce things like keggers and stuff. And, so it sounds like you were a la-. Probably. But think about it. He's been thinking about this and doing it and sacrificing. Jones has not now, but you know he's risen up and he's young guy. Imagine if he's lucky enough to be doing this when he's sixty five. How good is going to be at it right? And that's what ballot check is. I've had a more eclectic life where I've done this. I've done, and it's fun because I think holistically you can see things from all the different experiences, but you never get as good at the one thing ballot check hasn't tried to write books. He's just he's just coach. Football think about all the other coaches books TV Belgium just coaches and he just keeps getting better and better. After Age, sixty checks has won over three quarters of his games, which is just remarkable and the other hall of fame coaches after sixty. If I remember, you did this work, fifty two percent win yes, and bowel check after sixty three quarters winners seventy five percent. All right I'M GONNA. Explain to you the way. The Patriot system should help cam out. Be Sure to catch live editions of straight out of Vegas weekdays at six PM Eastern three. PM Pacific Straight Outta Vegas is brought to you by auto zone autozone as more ways to get what you need when you need it with their free same day pickup you. You can play shorter online and grab, but you need to date more than fifty seven hundred autozone locations in store or curbside visit autozone dot com today to start your job fast to get in the zone autozone. He's RJ Bell. I'm Jonas knocks. This is the pre-game game show. You've always wanted back to the Voice Vegas himself Rj Bell Thank you Jonas. To me the second thing Lombardi said he talked about the economics. They're gonNA. Pay A quarterback what he's worth or less, but not more. And number two. Is going to be a competition number three. The system will. Be customized for the quarterback. And that's important if you look and. Oh the Patriots they have you know their system steadied. They got that same set. Make you know McDonalds been here long time? Yeah, same system in a way though evolved because Brady was there for twenty years, so if you have the same quarterback with the same skill set. To optimize his skill set will be the same system, though obviously, the League has evolved in the Patriots evolved with it. Now you've got a very different quarterback quarterback that can run really effectively and ballot. Check loves players that are multiple that they can do multiple things. Well. We Know Cam can do that so as much as people are saying. HOW DOES HE FIT? HOW DOES HE FIT? It doesn't matter. Patriots will make the system fit cam. Starting to you know run quarterback initially for shore, third game of the season Brady was suspended the four games. Jimmy got hurt. PERCENT CAME in against Houston. Through nineteen passes for one hundred and three yards. Eight rushes for forty eight yards, touchdown and Blue Houston out. We, member mcdaniels had Tibo. In Denver a running quarterback who wasn't as skilled. And was decently successful. Whatever you want to say I think it's GonNa. Be Exciting to see the way the Patriots adjust for Cam. It won't be vice versa when we come back. We'll recap how Vegas reacted to this. And to be candid, it hasn't moved as much as you might think. We'll explain why. That's coming up next seats RJ. Bell Jonas Knox's the pre-game show. You've always wanted right here on Fox sports radio. Fox Sports radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation catch all of our shows at Fox sports radio DOT COM and within the iheartradio APP search. F. S. art listen live. Guys, it's bobby bones host the bobby bones show, and I'm pretty much always sleepy, because I wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I. Get all my friends together, so we get into a room and we do a radio show. Wish your alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world that we. We possibly can, and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music, too, so wake up with a bunch of my friends I ninety eight point seven W. MC q in Washington dc or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio. App I'm RJ Bell. Were straight out of Vegas and I'm Jonas knocks voice of you the fan so RJ. We've been discussing and breaking down the big news out of the NFL. The Patriots signing quarterback. Cam Newton to a one year deal and we've been doing it all vegas-style vegas-style baby. The odds season wins. They thought okay. Eight point seven, five nine was the projection before Cam. Up A half a game, nine point, two, five, nine, and a quarter after Cam. You look at Super. Bowl odds twenty five to one before twenty two one after. Faz. How much per game is Cam Newton and your projections and you were low on Cam I mean. You got obliterated. If it missed it, go back to the podcast cash search for straight out of Vegas. You can hear it. Roadkill, but but. Even, so you think cam overstayed him is how much three points per game now if we extrapolate that out for the sixteen games, how many wins destroyed points per game? Give it team just under one and a half wins so the market moves and gives the Patriots a half game of season wind benefit. You say at three points per game. It should be almost a game and a half. Yes, why? Why is the market because you would expect the market? To react. With too much enthusiasm Oh. My Gosh Cam Newton. He's better than Brady at this point which I personally think he may be. I I mean brady literally. If he wins his third game this season. Whoever wins in the rest of the NFL in the history ever for quarterback? His age like no one's ever done this, so the idea that he's clearly better than Cam I don't get. If Brady stayed with the PATS. PATS would be what eight nine to one to win the title right. Now. Oh, I think even less. And literally with Cam who I think you could make the case and I'll do it this week sometime. Just literally Brady versus Cam. For them to still only be watching, still begin twenty two one to only move a half a game why I think the market is very jittery about cam and the perception that nobody wanted him. RJ, so the market doesn't want to react too much to a player that they thought may well. No team would want so if I would have, said the casual average fan, not casual but average. What does he think cam? What would you have? Said yesterday skeptical because of injury? Okay and also that okay. Would you agree there'd be some element of well? When he was had those transcendent physical skills, he could overcome some of his habits. You know if it was not focused on work or whatever, but now he's getting a little older. It's coming back to roost that kind of thing. Yeah, his accuracy was called into question a lot overthrowing receivers, not being on time in certain situations, and then you. Couple that with the fact that he was dealing with the physical ailments, those might be related to each other, but I think that's the overall opinion for most people I agree and I think there's a sense that you can overcome those kind of things I mean that's what actually Greg cosell alumni. The show was talking about about Aaron Rodgers last year. Is Rogers had these transcendence skills eavesdrop? Just a little bit in some of the bad habits are more. More meaningful now and he did have a great statistical year and I also think Cam Newton whatever the situation was with his injuries. He's going to be having a year off, so it's not like. He took a pounding last year. We're looking at at eleven twelve months off from that injury, so if he was ever going to be healthy in his career, this feels like it would be the most and only play two games in eighteen months effectively. So to me to health looks good, but I think the focus. He'll have is inevitable, and it's important to remember in two thousand eighteen when he had that first half of the year. That was so good he was running the ball nine times per game. After, he got her in the second half of the year. He ran the ball about half. As much nine rushing attempts per game is the most. He ever would have had for a season so after his MVP Super Bowl Year Cameron the ball six times per game. He had a big drop off then he's gone up in eighteen before he got hurt. What does it tell us when Cam thinks? He has high stakes. He's willing to run when he's willing to run. He's truly two dimensional, and he's a much much much better quarterback. I think the stakes so high here if he doesn't do well with ballot, check might be out of the League. And because of that I expect cam to be running more, and if he's running, he's tough to guard or tough to defend straight. Outta Vegas is brought to you by autozone as more ways to get what you need when you need it with. With their free same day up, you can place your order online and grab what you need to date. More than fifty seven hundred autozone locations in store curbside visit autozone DOT com today to start your job fast. Get in the zone autozone. We are straight out of Vegas back tomorrow six. PM Eastern time three o'clock Pacific right here on Fox sports radio. have. You ever had that dream where you're trying to take your business remote, and it's super confusing, but then you hear Bondage ed for their team or promote experts, the you can just call, and they can put a whole plan together. 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Redskins & Falcons Are Desperate, Buccaneers Upset Rams, Kirk Cousins Isnt Good, Week 4 Recap

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Redskins & Falcons Are Desperate, Buccaneers Upset Rams, Kirk Cousins Isnt Good, Week 4 Recap

"This was upside down. NFL weekend all the things you think should happen shouldn't happen. I mean Leonard Fournette Somehow. Russia's rushes for tour two thousand five hundred he's talking about. Maybe he did hear me bitching about him. He's like this. This fat ass from New Jersey can be getting on my ass but let me say this. Let me say this list. I think somebody's actually listening in Jacksonville. They got the two backfield's they put him in the deep by and they got him in to backs like Oh okay. This is what kind of back is I mean. minhsiu might be while PIP. He just might be Could you imagine what Gardner Menu Unbelievable Story there. For the Jaguars they ride of the victory. The Saints beat the cowboys twelve ten. We got tons to get to a top three bottom three and let's get this out of the way right now here too because we give our picks every time Sundays and Thursdays a man Lombardi right now ten and five on his picks makes you take a listen on Thursday ten and five when it comes to your picks for all the people there with the smart money and he'd be even better if he didn't trust John Elway the Broncos all oh my God yeah I mean I mean like Milley says to me today tonight. She said how many more times you're going to get burnt by Denver. Your full like an idiot she's right like are you kidding me. You know here's the thing they were going into this year. They were undefeated in September. They were twenty two or twenty to one okay and they lose that game to the Chicago and then the next thing you know they lose today. They're up seventeen to three with a backup quarterback. Joe flacco driving down the field. I don't know who the fuck is throwing the ball to. I have no idea right. He throws it over over Emmanuel Sanders head by ten yards and the next thing you know they come down the field and the middle eight of the football. I was so oh proud of Matt rule the other night eighty matt rule at halftime of the Iowa state ballot game. He's he talks to the ABC announcer coming off the field. We gotta win the Middle Eight and they looked at he was talking Greek right in the middle late last four minutes of the first half the first four minutes of the second and so here's what happens when people don't think the middle h relevant so of course flacco. Oh throws intercept. They're going to put the game away. They'RE GONNA put the game away and then he throws that horrendous ball and then they come down they get a touchdown really at the end of the half but they they get bailed out with a holding call and then they got a field goal to make it seventeen to six then they get the opening kickoff and they spent I think almost eleven minutes driving that thing down that there was a third thirteen. I had to go take a piss and come back and I said what happened. She converted. I'm like Oh. This is ridiculous garments show. You're playing at home right. You're playing at home. You've got a seventeen three lead against a rookie quarterback and you lose by the way speaking of Middle Eight. That's one of the best parts of gridiron genius by the way your book is now available in paperback check haven't but you were talking about ballot check and the fact that he often chooses not to have the ball game but rather it looks to kick it off in the reason why why is as you pointed out let's he's facing. Peyton manning with the Patriots and have a good drive towards the end of the first half and then they had the star of the second. That's an hour that a great quarterback Disney of the ball to get him out of rhythm. I thought that was fascinating the best way to play defenses to play no defense. That's the reality of it to play no defense. I mean that's the scary part is I mean. Dallas had to play more defense tonight. I think tonight I haven't the final score the the scoreboard is up tonight but Dallas actually had to play more than thirty minutes of defense. The saints made them play. They want ugly. The saints of the saints keep winning winning ugly because the saints other than that sack. I think I think we should do a better job. Educating the fans on another pet peeve of mine which is where quarterbacks can't take a sack. There's parts of the field. quarterbacks can't take a sack and Menchu was really good at this shit. LE- let today he's got. He's getting pressure from all over. He gets out of it. He hangs in the pocket and he throws. There's a touchdown pass late in the game and because he knew he could take a sack there tonight. Teddy Bridgewater takes a second-place. He can't take a sack so that's one of my pet peeves too but the middle eight is really how you can control football games and you know the saints. The saints did a good job tonight of control in what they could control what their limitations in terms of the quarterback teddy bridgewater teddy just can't make the place. I mean teddy after two games to me and I know the saints pay them a lot and he's GonNa go out there but teddy to me looks like a really good backup but not a starter. Yeah I'm with you. The headline can be all the saints have won. A couple of games drew brees man with you. It can't be sustain. I'm not saying that they're lucky I'm just saying that. They're paying Sean football around him and clearly early. The defense stepped up but if you think you're GONNA win pivotal games with Teddy Bridgewater. You'd be mistaken. I had the best line of all my neighbor bill. He's a cowboy fan and he's like I said do what do you think what do you think this matchup between the clapper and Sean Payton now he's a cowboy fan and he says to me the copper going to stay in Dallas. The results have been the same. That's how much confidence to Clapper Br. I mean like I want to know what I would really like a documentary on what Jason Does during the game I would like to know and this whole Kellyn more conversation about him being the next the next offense coordinator. Let me just say this. They didn't do a good job on this on television but I can honestly tell you Dennis Allen kicked Kella. Moore's yours ask. He took him around the back door and he worked his ASS. Every run got stuff because he was run blitz and everyone he knew everyone was going. He didn't get fooled on everyone. The saints it's players knew everything they were doing. They got their ass hammer to them. They knew every route like all this talk about. Keller Moore's the next coming of Jesus Christ and he's going to be the next head coach. He may become a great coach but it ain't how he got his ass kicked tonight. He got his ASS kicked tonight by Dennis Allen. That's the kind of straight talk we love is always going to apple podcasts makes you subscribe describe the GM Shop Eric Smith. He sixty loves the PODCAST. He's what Mike Lombardi back. I always breaks it down like he let me tell you when everything's thanks good. Washington's great you know the general manager Washington's fifty nine ninety three and two that's good. He's doing a good job there really he's doing great work. Just be patient. Redskin fans he's gotta turned around and plenty of more coming up on the redskins on John Elway but just a quick plug for sinophile. My please can subscribe to on Apple PODCASTS C. I N. E. P. H. Eilly Sinophile the brand new review of the Irish Mike. I was fired up beyond belief. Rural Premier was last Friday and I went and sought a gallon Sarah. Are you with like who was this. You got an invite who was all layer. Tell me who was there the ass of the one that I went to on Friday that was open to the general public so it's a bunch of you know like me and you whoever just fans for de Niro and Pacino Yeah exactly with the crowd at night the apm that was that the industry screening that was like a Bowtie Fares United Gone Stephen Spielberg sitting in front of us all look. There's Daniel Day Lewis like that. That was the one that was all the heavy hitters but honestly that it was incredible. I mean this is a monumental film for Martin. Scorsese the fact that he and Deniro first movie together since Casino which was nineteen ninety five and the first time ever Scorsese and Pacino have worked together. I Never Pacino and patchy and passionate made a film in nine years to get him. I mean the band is back together again. kyw Talon Alan Mardi reenacted of course they were great in mean streets and taxi drivers so I want to say this because you know the basic premise which is about frank sheeran who was a noted Hitman book. I heard Japan in houses which means he's a hit man and it honestly it's a wide spanning story. I'll say this Mike for anybody out through all this goodfellas two point orchestra too well. You'd be wrong along. Goodfellas is incredible film because it's so exhilarating exuberant casinos of the rise and fall this mob families in Vegas. This is very much a story about memory and loss us and regret and Deniro plays on old guy who's looking back on his life and reflecting on it's about memory and redemption the mechanics of cinema. That's not to say there isn't the mop stuff of course it's the Scorsese movie. You've got a bunch of murderers. Yeah get dark humor. That's very funny but you'd appreciate the fact is our like Philly guys. It's a philly mob. South Jersey and it has a ton to do but the Kennedys and Pacino a place Jimmy Hoffa like he's unbelievable as offer yeah. Oh I love when Tony says I don't understand you. Why do you love John Kennedy. Hey the brother I love exactly exactly the brother always trying to break the Bob. There's plenty of great seeds about that so like I said plenty talk with the Irishman That's available get a pair of scissors. We have to call a couple. Taylor's ehlers over from Italy and give them some freshers when they get here Barca's so like I said Mike upside down. We can't forget does great and a guy that we've been critic. Love Marcus Chris Mariana throws three first half touchdown passes as the titans beat the Falcons. They're gonNA surging conference now. They're gonNA share the AFC South Lead Mario through to those two into a AJ Brown titans defense by the way three fourth-down stops beating the Falcons twenty four to ten. We can talk in a second but seriously what the Hell's wrong with Matt Ryan the Falcons. They look like they're in trouble look. I'm just going to say really clearly. I mean the Falcons Nineteen nineteen cents a super bowl. We have this. The Falcons are one of these perception teams partly partly because their general manager gets great publicity. You know they always have great drafts. You know and they've got a couple of marquee players but you know Dan Quinn's really dealing with a with a with a deck. That's not good in nineteen thousand nine hundred and they can't stop the run and Anytime Tennessee beats team. It's because they're gonNA go in there and be able to run the football. I think today you know Henry. They had one hundred yards rushing. I mean they can't stop the run. They have no physicality to them whatsoever and look. I mean Dan Quinn's on the hot seat. There's no doubt about it. I mean Dan Quinn losing at home home. I mean he's easily. Owen for that Eagle Game he won but it was didn't feel like a win. I mean the scoreboard said he won but it didn't feel like he won that game and as you go through last week against against Indianapolis he scores three times in the second half and he still loses the game because he can't stop them coming back and he's taken over the defense so you you know hats off to Mariota great job what he's been able to do but the reality here is. I'm telling you the heat is on Dan. Quinn and it's going to stay on that when everybody in the League thinks that this job job is going to open up and it could open up all across the board. I mean one thing about Arthur blank. You know rich McKay's safe forever because he's on the prestigious competition committee but everybody else is not safe in that place and this loss I. It's it rings really poorly within the building and it's going to stay that way. I mean Atlanta just isn't a good team partly partly because when you can't play the run at home in a dome when you can't play the run at home in a dome you you can't play Mariana eighteen twenty seven to twenty seven Derrick Henry hits exactly a hundred yards rushing so there wasn't a whole out the falcons defense can do successfully and ask for Matt Ryan. I mean he had to throw the ball ton. Mikey was thirty five of fifty three three for three hundred ninety seven years about this he had almost four hundred yards passing get zero touchdowns and a complete absence of a run game devante. Freeman twelve carries for twenty twenty eight yards. That's anemic. That's giving zero support your quarterback. He hasn't been able to run the ball all year. That's been their biggest problem. They have been able to run the football all year and it's because does their offense Yvonne. I mean they signed carpenter got Brown. I mean they paid money for Mac but they're not good upfront. You know they're not a good team upfront. Their talent level is really not very good and I don't care what anybody tells me. I've said that for years their talent. They've got some really good skill players but their talent level overall isn't very good. It's always overrated. They have this perception and they don't do anything. When it comes time to like for example they'll never be aggressive in free agency and when it comes time to try to find players quit it has to do as much as anything because the PRO personnel department in Atlanta. I don't know what they do because they're so they're so interested in their draft picks. They don't care about anything else. I mean here's the problem. They've scored twenty points in the first half this year and they've allowed seventy one. I mean you're behind seventy one to twenty. That's why Matt Ryan has so many yards passing because 'cause he's playing catchup all the time you give thirty three in the thirty eight in the first quarter thirty three in the second quarter now they've only given up they've only given up twenty eight the rest of the game but the game's over at halftime the game's over at halftime and now you're wondering why will because he averaged three seven. I mean Freeman is averaging three three a carry. That's not good enough. You can't do do that. Atlanta's not good. That's the problem. Atlanta's not good not good on defense. They talk about this defensive front. Vic Beasley has a second half. I mean they're not good. They're up the field. They can't see their. They'll have no lane discipline. You know it's not going to get any better in Atlanta anytime soon. Yeah who are the only one who had a big day. Even Julio Jones was salads. The the forecast is forty two yards on the other side of the Ledger Mario pretty good. Do you think is this a case of taking advantage like you said a poor Atlanta defense or as Mario perhaps HAP- trying to figure this thing out and on the verge of turning the corner and being a serviceable or even a good. NFL quarterback I think everything about Tennessee is who they're playing and if they can can run the ball if they can't run the ball against the team then it goes on Mariota can have balance and we'll talk about this later with Jared Goff if Mariota can have balanced and he's got a chance to be service also he has no balance and he's sitting there and he's trying to make throws okay. They got buffalo comes in Buffalo will stop their run buffalo force them throw. It'll be a hard game for them this week. Because Buffalo lay played the run against England today really well. I mean they shut down to England's offense. New England's offense. Did nothing absolutely nothing today. Buffalo really was right in that game like we thought they would be. It was a close game. You know the seven point line never held up but I think it's all predicated on if Tennessee can run the football than Tennessee's got his chance to win because does it helps their defense tremendously and what aspect as well as just of course taking care of the Football Mario yet to throw an interception so far this season he had faced growing criticism after managing only one touchdown pass in two straight losses but bit of a resurgence for him against the Falcons all right Jones. That's right Daniel Jones Mr Jones he and the defense leading the giants or the windless Redskins is Danny dimes working his magic again saquon Barkley replace a wing golden candidate Clemson scored two touchdowns broke peppers three to your interception return as the giants all of a sudden have some they win this game twenty four to three and Yeah Jones played well but I'm telling you right now the redskins the redskins are so bad that team is putrid their own towards Dr. Mike worse losing their first five in two thousand one and now J. Gruden's job is in jeopardy thirty five forty nine one after five plus seasons and just one one playoff berth. He's dead man walking and he can't wait. I mean he can't wait for them to come in and fire. I mean literally. He's got candles in his office. He's probably got a buffet spread. He'll feed them lunch which I mean. He can't wait for the come in. He can't wait for them to come in. You can leave. I'm still going to get paid off. Police signed me up for that GIG. I mean he knows it's over his records thirty five forty nine and one in the general managers fifty nine ninety three and one and he's going to keep his job and the general manager is going to make you an today. I'm telling you you know Haskins. 'cause you can say what you want about the kid. You put that guy out. There really hit looked like he had no practice. Of course the whole Redskin team looks like they've had no practice. They can't run three plays a role without getting a penalty then they're secondary's horrendous. I mean Daniel. Jones was just really not very good today on me through a lot of lot of passes underneath routes against just a really bad Washington secondary this Washington team is bad and they quit. I mean they can fire Jay. GROOME DONALD GIVE A shit they fired ray groom. Jaeger will be the happiest guy in America Arca but their problems are going to keep continuing and here's the other issue. Nobody on that staff wants to become the head coach. Nobody Bill Callahan. You want the job. No the only probably Ali Rexrodt Rob Reiner will take it robber taking he you know he thinks he's he's Qadam like He's like custard. He'll go running in their. He don't care how many Indians around he'll just go running right in there by the way Jones twenty three thirty one but you're right underneath. It wasn't impressive work. I'm glad you mentioned the penalties. I mean the Redskins mistake-prone twelve penalties for fifty eight yards and we talk about shooting yourself in the foot only two of eleven on third down one hundred seventy six yards of offense. They made the giants defense. Look good the giants events with four interceptions. Can I go out on a limb here a little bit. I'M GONNA DO Swamy here and I'm GonNa just predict. I'll be co-nationals Johnny Carson I'm going to I'm going to predict that the GM of the Redskins will be fifty nine ninety four and one this time next Sunday because they face the Patriots and the Patriots didn't play very good on offense this week so I'm GonNa go on the limb and say they're going to probably put four hundred yards on Washington just an absolute mess. I mean could you imagine being a fan of that team right now. You thought you had a little bit. It's a tragedy. It really is this. These are one of those. Oh situations where you think the League office would come in and tell Daniels not look this is we're a better league the NFL's better league when the raiders are good the NFL's better league when the redskins are good the NFL's better league when Denver's good and when those three teams aren't really good especially in the four o'clock window when you're sitting on the east coast I watch the Games aims over at the BORGATA which was incredible incredible venue to watch the Games lively lot of giant fans there a lot of Daniel Jones jerseys there. It was fun and then the four o'clock games. You know you want some good Games. Well typically you know the the chiefs are good but they play in the one o'clock window but you want the raiders to be good. You want a a Fox to have Washington in Dallas. Be Good when Washington isn't good and Dallas and Denver's not good. That's what makes elite Great Denver Denver they need to be good it helps the AFC that should the crowds too good for the team to be so bad elsewhere. A story that I think is going to resonate in terms of just such a focus right now for good reason on player Health Vantera Santa's perfect. He'll never learn the Oakland Raiders linebacker a history team captain. He's the team. Can you imagine making him a team. Captain ejects the game after a blatant Ayton headshot on defenseless Indianapolis Colts Jack Doyle Doyle is trying to regain his footing after making a catch and Burfoot as you mentioned Mike team captain he lowered. His head crushed him with a helmet to helmet. This is a guy who spent his first seven seasons the bengals he has been fined or suspended wait for it thirteen times am. Emmett find about four point one two million dollars during NFL career and he's back at it again for Jon Gruden. You're either coaching and allowing it to happen now. Let me say this. Mike mayock hated this player coming. Coming out of Arizona State hated him. Despise them kill them. Kill them his best friend. Paul Guenther signed him. Cincinnati is a free agent. Gunther likes them gun. He gave makes all the calls for Guntur gets their defense fence organized right but to me if you're Roger Goodell and you find this guy four point one to you care about player safety like we say we care about player safety you got and now we gotta go over to London. They take him over there. They should just leave them there or don't take them at all in suspended for four games because the only way he's he's not one thing you know this. It's like the Death Penalty Ali. We learned this the it doesn't stop crime like finding. This guy doesn't stop it right. It doesn't stop it. You GotTa do something more dramatic. Take away what the guy wants to do. Pay Them but don't let them play them. You're not allowed to play. We'll pay but you're not allowed to play like do something that affects them right. Even before referee Scott Novak announced the crowd. The replay review is determined. It was already jogging to the locker room to your point. He's nonchalant about it. He knows I. I drove him. I'm done for the down care. I'm out of here. He's doing it because he likes to do do it. It's it's I don't WanNA call pathological but it's almost like he's he sadistic and how he behaves he doesn't care. He doesn't care about anybody safety he. He's he's just a street fight to him. You know and this isn't this isn't remember. The titans here like you know. Uncle Junior said we're not we're not shooting Western here. You know like this is like real. You gotta sit like you said suspended him for something a couple of games because if you don't play them that's the key finding them doesn't work right capital punishment. It's been proven it does work. There's more you know I I mean I'm not. I'm not against it. I'm just saying it doesn't work like it doesn't work. Get this guy off the field but you make your team captain. You're saying this you. This guy represents you you and it was a great win for the raiders. Today you know the colts can't play run defense and Jon Gruden is really a good coach against the system of defense that he knows you're going to be in and and he can dial plays up and when he played indy it was either going to be Tampa to or Matt and Gruden's effective at that where GRUDEN can handle it. He used to go crazy over Greg Robinson Greg Robinson Evanston was was a coordinator Denver and and he was Gruden's nemesis it was he was Gruden's Kryptonite when Gruden was really humming right grid would walk around the facility man this this Greg Graham said what a great coach he is man. He's a coach you know and meanwhile every time he played another team. They've given up forty nine. You know like it was only because Denver could outscore people but what what what what you learn what I learned from it was gruden needs logic to call plays. GRUDEN needs logic. He wants you to know if I do this. You do that then. I'm going to do that right. He'd never wants to play against somebody unconventional. He's really good against conventional. I didn't think they would win today but I really thought they would cover because he's really good against conventional and he's really good when he can run the ball and he can stay in second five second seven. He can call place that way and car can behave that way but what happens is when he gets against good coordinators cordinator like Dennis Allen or he gets against guys that know how to attack them then all of a sudden he knows he doesn't win that and so eager flus is a really good coach but he's just too much of a one album guy. He's got to change it up a little bit and that's why Indianapolis can be vulnerable types now percent turn the ball over and they didn't play well they had too many guys hurt losing t. y. Hilton and all that they didn't and played their best football but the reality of it is a perfect game for them and burfoot takes away from what they did on the field to win this game he takes away from it because because he stains the wind with this behavior and also by the way we were talking in the past Adam Vegetarian how that terrible sturdy head of the season he's still playing. He made three extra points and a twenty six year vaguely did miss a fifty seven year field goal attempt but it's one hundred ninety seventh game with the Colts Viteri still hanging out here for the colts still trying to get things done for Indianapolis coming up next what happened to the. 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Try the most affordable and most reliable video communications solution on the market meet happy with zoom okay again. It's upside down weekend here. In Football Sense James Winston had a came for the ages he passes for three hundred eighty five yards through two four touchdown passes to Chris Godwin in Dhamma consume. A boy named sue returning jared Goff's fumble thirty seven yards for touchdown Mike. How in the hell this happened the bucks they beat the Rams fifty five to forty. I mean they dominated them. I mean it wasn't really it wasn't a close game. I mean the rams have only scored six points in the first quarter all year and the rams only average for one carry. I mean they can't run the ball and when the rams and when Jared Goff has to be in a drop back pass game. It's not going to be pretty. It's just not going to be pretty. Nobody wants to hear it but it's not going to be pretty and the pressure bothered him. I mean he got the offensive line for the rams is not very good and here's what the reality of it is is since that game. We talked about it on Thursday. That's why you know the Thursday Thursday pod told you this was a nine and a half point. I didn't take the game but this was this. Games opened up by the eleven and it went to nine and a half sharp. Money was all over Tampa Bay. They knew something right and Tampa Bay did a great job of game planning against them and even though they were three and going into the game the rams have not looked good in the month of September in golf hasn't looked good since Kansas City game. He's thrown before coming in today. He had eleven touchdowns eleven interceptions. He's averaged under seven yards that contract day D. That's contract might go down as one of the worst contracts and football because what's happened in the sport. Now is people are paying quarterbacks and when they have to manage quarterbacks quarterbacks. It's like they don't care. They're just GONNA pay the guy even though they have to manage them. We see that in kirk cousins I mean Kirk cousins is like when you pay eighty million dollars for a guy that you can only do five if things you're in trouble right you're in trouble and I've been kirk cousins support my whole my whole career because I thought he got a bad rap there but if you pay ninety million dollars all guarantee whatever the hell it was and you have to and you have to manage your game plan so much that you take him out of it. That's a problem same thing with golf. I mean this contract with golf is going to go down as one of the worst 'cause I'm telling you Sean McVeigh could found somebody else to do exactly what Goff's doing yeah. I still go back to your point about Goth which is that. Can you see him winning a big game on road at Lambofield or soldier field or when it's cold aim at Foxboro right. He's just like this kind of game. Mike you look at the numbers you go career. High five avenue seventeen yards also threw three picks second time in his career like he looked baffled. You look dazed and confused. I this is a great win for Bruce Arians. Oh it's a great great win for Bruce Arians but they start the game off. Seven plays punt the next drive interception the next drive interception so and here's the thing what people don't understand about the the rams. What's that everybody in the league talks about behind their backs or in front of them is if you can force them into a lot of third downs golf can't play on goths not going to be effective on third down. They need play the action pass. They need to be able to fake the ball handing it off to throw it down the field. That's what they do really effectively and when you get behind twenty one to nothing like they did. It's hard to fake okay. Can you know Al Davis used to say. Why are we faking the hand off on two minute drill. Nobody buys it. He's right like why do you like if you're in two minutes and you've got to throw throw it right. Why are you taking a hand off right and so nobody buys it when they faked handoff. You gotTa Low dropback passes. I you know I've never been a golf fan. I'd I been too critical of them but to me. I think paying him. This contract was absolutely ridiculous and they're gonNA regret it because McVeigh's going to regret it because it's going to Piss mcvay off because he's not going into Chicago in in in January and playing good I can tell you that he ain't going to green bay in January and playing good henny ain't coming into Philly and playing good in that weather todd Gurley by the way rushing for two touchdowns. Only five carries for sixteen yards rams running game was absolutely nonexistent Shamanee by the way after the game saying this is really a wakeup call for everyone not just the offense the only blessings you have a short week the only thing that we can really control you play again on Thursday so we'll be right back at it very quickly. They gotta go up to Seattle and the milk Seattle's Seattle's not play well at home the last two home games that the twelfth man up there. It's like the twelfth at Texas A and M it hasn't really been as important to them as in the past this'll a good game on Thursday night and when I feel like maybe the headliner here as far as teams you WanNa take apart. That'll be the Denver broncos. They blow a seventeen three lead late in the first half off then they went ahead twenty four twenty three Joe flacco Magic to Cortlandt Sutton but too much time for Gartner minhsiu the rookie quarterback leaves jags on a sixty yard drive eighty by von Sean Miller roughing the passer penalty and Lambeau than easy range that game winning kick to reiterate Michael Lombardi. Here is ten and five picks but the Broncos are screwing him because you believed in this team and they let you down. They let down man what's going on John. ELWAY and they're still I mean I always do some kind of commercial or something like he does like endorsement dormant deal with some product. I heard that it's been the talk of Denver but it clearly he's not putting the timing on. This team isn't very good. I mean this team is not for. They got sacs today. You know they got five sacks today so that's certainly helped given up eleven sacks and so far in the season and they can't. They're not as good on defense. I mean they're giving up five point. One yards a carry the give it a five one to carry an opponent quarterbacks have a ninety seven point three rating going against them. I mean that's not that's not what I thought when I thought they would win nine games this year. I thought it would be because they could play great defense and I miss evaluated their defense badly I really did I think I miss evaluated. I think I missed it more than John Elway did. He's watching it every day. I feel bad for VIC Fangio first time head coach. He's lost two home games one to a backup quarterback. You're not a good team when you do that. You're not a good team now. He's going to go out to the chargers and maybe he can you steal a win from Anthony Lynn 'cause he can't win on his home field but that's really bad and flacco interception at the end of half is inexcusable. I mean you've got to be smarter as the play caller. You got to remind mind yourself. You should have his picture on your play sheet. You know before you call plays. You should look at Joe. FLACCO is pitcher and say you know I gotta I can't I can't do that. I got to hand the ball off her now that it's Joe flacco doc and FLACCO and this historic loss broncos blow fourteen point lead at home in a loss I times in two thousand six. I mean thirteen years. You haven't bought a fourteen point lead at home. That's how brutal is loss. Was it slaps right at elway. I mean look at some of his draft picks. I mean this guy you know. He's allowed to get away with it because he's a hall of fame quarterback. I mean just because you're hall of fame. quarterback doesn't mean you're a hall of fame. Executive Ozzie newsome spin a great executive. Larry Bird was a great executive. Jerry West is one but there's some guys that haven't been one and I'm not you know look look if Joe blow their endeavor. His ass would have been fired. I mean let's be real honest here. We can be candidates. Just you and I I mean Peyton. Manning won the Super Bowl for nobody else. I mean come on Peyton. Manning puts people in Canton. You know I mean he's made careers for people like you take the Peyton manning air out of out of John. Elway's life what do you do. You know what what's that record yeah. It's crazy to think you're right what a resume can bill for it because he's so iconic through in Denver. People still remember the drive and the one of the helicopters spin all of us at great quarterback. That'd be nice that'd be not quarterbacks. Chicago Lost Mitchell trubisky but they still beat kirk cousins and the Vikings you talk bad contract with Jared Goff the twitter hate that I saw people just crushing the kirk cousins and just saying is this going to be one of the worst contracts ever in football history. He couldn't do anything against the bears defense. He looks like the monsters of the midway. Maybe Mike Zimmer's jobs in trouble. Well I mean look I think when you really break this thing down and you look at what what what cousins and they're managing managing him and I mean it's really painful when you look at it and you see them in there trying to manage them and everybody's like well you gotta give them a nickname to you know I. I don't even think it's fair to brock. Osweiler a column the highest I mean you know like he's deeper than is. What's the biggest bank robbery I was the great northern bank robbery you know in in in England when the these guys stole Dole like one hundred and twenty million they still haven't caught on because you call osweiler the Lufthansa Heist the he was still have tons of ice. I mean he stole money. Cousins actually played some games where you could say the the problem is cousins at Twenty Twenty quarterback he can move the ball from one twenty two next and then when he gets to the red zone and then there's some games he can't move the ball from the twenty to twenty and the thing that bothers me about cousins support. Anything is his lack of real interest and passion like you're you got your quarterback. This is one of my problems with MVP Mitch. Is You gotta be able to to drive of your team through your quarterback you got your quarterback has to have some of your personality too. You Know Brady play like crap today but the Patriots have is personality. You know that you're you're not. GonNa always play great. It's not gonNA you're not gonna be perfect but cousins is personality just and then here's the other thing I think fans have to understand is if your whole world's built on running the ball. There's going to be certain teams. You can't run the ball against and at some point as Bella check off and tells the team at some point. We're only good when the other team knows we have to throw it and we can throw it and when the other team knows we have to run it. We can run it. That's the only time we're really know we'll know when we're good and the vikings are only good when they can run the football and that goes back to cousins cousins. You paid them ninety million dollars and you gotta you gotTa manage them. You got I mean that's not what I pay ninety million for look. I've said so many years about free agency. The worst first thing you can do in free agency is pay somebody and still need the position bright. You feel like you have to do it. You're at rather than wanting to do. You feel compelled to do it and you mentioned the running game. Dalvand Cook came in with three. You know seventy five yards rushing. He was held thirty five yards on fourteen attemps Akeem Hicks Roquan Smith L. and like you've always talked to attack possession bears thirty five twenty seven to twenty four thirty three. That's the time of possession that's at ten minutes swing. That's win their third straight game. Khalil Mack was unbelievable. He was unbelievable unbelievable but look we've all. We always say this on the shuffle. All the Shuffler snow this bad offensive lines don't travel and the vikings are bad offensive line. I mean let's be real honest. They've got good skill players but they're offensive. Line can't go on the road and win and that's a tough team to win even when they have backups it was hard to win. I mean cousins is in good enough and that's the problem and you're doing everything thing. The mass cousins problem because the more he plays the scarier. It becomes for you also trubisky. MVP Mitch as you call them. He goes down early. Daniel did enough for the win but we don't know right now the extent of the injury trubisky so yeah. I mean I just looked online and they were talking about. It could be a couple of weeks. It's his non throwing shoulder dislocation. They don't have to operate. It may be two three weeks. You know look. I don't want anybody to get hurt but there was a sense of. I don't want to call it. I mean they had some rhythm to their offense today. It wasn't pretty. He took a lot of check down to chase Daniel's now they fly to London. They gotTA play over there. I can't imagine that he's going to play against the raiders not that they have have great pass rush but with this defense the way the bears are if they don't turn the ball over and they take what the defense with their opponents give him the other that they can win those twenty to thirteen in games they can win. Those Games and Daniels can manage at least he's accurate on the underneath rose may complain and not making mistakes. I mean now. I will say this if you bet. MVP Mitch to win MVP YOU MIGHT WANNA consider. You know that you're not going to get paid ticket. You just might WanNa. I mean after four weeks. You Might WanNa think that's a bad him. Don't you should adhere eight here the people in Vegas my man John Mary from the West Gate or we have tremendous liability on Mitch trubisky. You have no liabilities donation by the way trubisky risky season stats right now five hundred seventy nine yards passing three touchdowns. Two interceptions came against the redskins. I mean it's it's really comical it. It really is and people think he had a turned around there but we built some confidence. you know feed a play today. Actually the worst thing that happened was that Chase Daniels came in and manage the game. I promise you Mike Mike Zimmer is probably sitting on the plane ride back to to Minneapolis tonight saying dammit. We shouldn't have heard them. I'm serious. I know that sounds. That sounds bad to say but that's what people talk about it on the airplane like that's the first reaction we'd better off with the other guy in there you know. I always say this. All Time at the raiders were a couple of injuries from having a good team. You know we just need to have the right the injuries the gallows. It's nothing serious. It's got the guy out of here. We'll get the backup because a backup on this guy yeah yeah he can stay started. Just like member Barney Arne fife wanted to sing in the choir and they would just make sure that he just mouth the words. You know that that's what we want you to play quarterback but you really you know we just wanted to mouth the words here party. Fife reference made time the chiefs correlate they stay undefeated four thirty four thirty over the Lions Patrick Mahomes. Get it done fourth down with a run to extend game winning drive ended with their one year touchdown run cheuse win thirty four thirty. I mean listen Detroit that I thought might they hung in there but they find a way to get the chiefs four. No they did and I've been talking about. Let them all year about how they've been good offense rush fourth and nine and they and they get three guys on the left side of the center and one guys to the right of the center and there's this. There's this gap that I swear to God. You know you have run twenty Lagos through it. It was just a huge gap and the homes takes off and scrambles for nine yards. I mean look this was a game. You might think Detroit got screwed. There's a fumble that return for a touchdown that I couldn't really tell was a fumble. When I was watching the game and Detroit Matthew Stafford Played His ass soft. He played hard. I mean he was hurt. Had the bad hip injury it. Oh Detroit played way better than I mean Detroit. I knew was going to play well. I had them covering the line because I thought they would back door covered. I didn't think that they can't city become and cover it by beating them by four but I thought they would back door. Cover in Kansas City did exactly what they didn't play that they didn't bring their game today but they brought enough to beat them and you know look Detroit. I think that's great effort for them. They just didn't have enough on defense to stop when they needed to. Yeah I mean the Detroit Patriots is that Monica occur the Patricia joining us for this team and right now. They're two one and one. I don't know how good they are but they had been listen. They're often said Stafford overcame that stigma that stereotype with that false perception. It isn't play well against good teams. He certainly stepped up a home just a little bit better than this team. Bottom Line is fun to watch the defensive. He said nothing to phone home about. They're going to score points though yeah they are and I think this here's what Lions Fan. I think your teams play hard. I think playing well. They're playing hard but here's the thing you've gotta understand. If you're alliance fan that you're going to play ah you're never going to beat anybody. Resounding your every game. You play is going to be nip and Tuck it's going to be it's not that your team's. GonNa play down to the level. It's going to be your team's. GonNa play 'cause they're just never good enough to go in there and dominate anybody and when they go on the road next week. They have a buy this week then they gotta go to. Green Bay eight and they got home against Minnesota. It's all going to all the games maybe with the exception of the Redskin game in week twelve. All of them are going to be hard who are the top three in bottom three teams after week for the NFL. Mike and I'm make our picks giveaway a weekly awards after this. Are you ready for what's ahead. You can't always predict the future but you can game plan for it. 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Protection I mean how is he getting away with this seriously. Tell tell me what they've done right and in other than the draft on Miller and Bradley what have they done good and that's the thing right you get faked into these things you just remember that Super Bowl right. Oh yeah I mean the defense references really good and just a couple of players said because von Miller stands out you all of a sudden. The whole unit is good. That's not the case the fact they didn't have any sacks until today's crazy and the fact that can't win at home. I mean the one thing you think about Denver's you think they're going to be six into at home and they still three wins on the road go three and five and they're nine and seven right another. Owen to at home in September when they typically win and here's the thing we didn't even talk about Gardner McKay Menchu I mean my man was thrown into wind. There was a twenty mile an hour wind in this game. I mean they lowered. They lowered the over and under thirty seven. That's how prevalent the win was in this game. Now I went over the book. The books were lower in the because they felt like Gardner McKay Gardner McKay. Menchu wasn't going to be able to do it and he did. I mean that's got to be a loss for elway tonight sitting at home in his big Cherry Hill Mansion. He's got to be sitting there saying like Whoa like I. I'm here and it's good that you don't have an owner I mean they're an ownership dispute right I'll tell you the question. Ad That that's on the flight home this Menchu played really good. He's played good for three games. You gave Nick foles all this money. Nick foles can only operate in the shotgun. Are you better off trading. Nick foles go with you or just let you finish out the season and play and get back into a by formation with a fullback like they did today and let for net run the ball a little bit. Isn't that crazy Roese. The fact foles was highly coveted after what he had done with the eagles. The last couple of seasons Jacksonville feels that they win the bidding war so to speak and after a few games. Maybe there you you know what really need this guy. I think we're we're. We're at the quarter mark of the season. I mean you thinking that all the time because you're wondering like Minhsiu looks like a really good like minhsiu. It looks better than he looks. Better than Haskins has now in fairness fairness. I'm going to give Haskins a pass because I don't have any of the. I don't know if Daniel Jones will look good in Washington or anybody because nobody's coaching there. There's no coaching. There's no conditioning. There's no coaching there an expansion team but for the most part I mean men's shoes I mean he's hard to tackle in that pocket pocket. He escaped. He made something out of nothing. A couple of times he was really good today and it doesn't do it all the time and you gotta give him credit for how they call place. I'm go for net fan but at least when for deep by and they're feeding the football and he gets himself going a little bit hard to tackle. How about the Fried Parole were best game plan going into the week but you gotta give it to the Brownies I mean the brownies came out. Kick the Ravens Ass. I mean this. This game wasn't as close as the score and the score wasn't close. I you know I'm GonNa. Let you in on the secret here here. The ravens are bad on defense. The Ravens don't have any swagger to Amman defense. They lost all their tough guys. They lost. They have no juice Jon Gruden was. They got no men on defense. They have no men on defense. They Lost Moseley. They lost Weddell that you know here's what happens to most teams you take a guy. This is what the media never understands. Okay we got Earl Thomas. He replaces what Earl Thomas doesn't make a lot of checks and earl. Thomas is never played in the system before so it's brand new to him so he's not comfortable in it so it's is going to take him a long time. Whereas what was back there. He made everybody else better because he was telling everybody what to do so they lose. WHAT WILL THEY LOSE. Cj Moseley. They lose suggs. They've lost three players on their defense. That were men me. Baltimore stinks on defense and it really happened last two or three weeks ago when when the mayor of Munchkin land just threw the ball of a lot and he's yet to do it against anybody since right right. He's yet to really do it. He got one twenty-seven against the panthers he got a bunch of junkyards today against Seattle. He'd never really could command today and so you know I mean to me. I think Baltimore is really bad and my hat's off to Cleveland for coming in there. They got Chubb going. I mean and they made some place but I'm telling you you and I can get open against this Raven Secondary. This raven secondary's bad their talent level is not very good yeah. Brown's got two and two Ravens to in two key win in there for Cleveland how about the KGB award the team that got duped this week. Mike Man I tell you what the the the rams licking those Oreos and they got their asses. I mean let's face it. The rams were looking the oreos and and hey guy. KGB right out of it I mean Tampa comes in there and give them a whoop and Shaw McVeigh's right. There's no part of his team. That played okay good. I mean he hasn't played good all month. I mean he steals the win and Carolina Good Win for probably was their best win opening day. The come back in week two drew brees gets hurt they beat the Saints Teddy Bridgewater and that game was a lot closer than twenty-seven nine then they beat the brownies twenty thirteen the brownies are trying to tie the game late and then they give up forty so you know they haven't really played. I would say their best games to Panther game opening day. We're GONNA find out. Obama got Seattle. They've got Seattle and San Francisco and the next two weeks to NFC west teams. We'll see but the rams got duped. I mean let's say they're a ten point favorite at home and give up fifty five. That's a lot of oriole looking. That's shocking and like McVeigh said the the good news. Is We have Thursday game so a quick turnaround for us. How about the why do we win. Why did we lose the wind goes the raiders and the browns the loss the vikings and the rams the raiders won because they understood how to attack the defense of of the colts they understood how what they were playing and they could get ahead in the down and distance and it wasn't just the fifty past game car can't function if they can't run the ball and it's the same with the browns the browns got balance out of their team. They were able to run Chubb. They had balancing it took the pressure off of Mayfield and they were able to make place the vikings loss because they're trying to constantly cover up their curly in the boat with her cousins. That's what they are curly in about. Curly's got one hole in the boat so he drills another hole the water from the first hole al well. That's kirk cousins. You know you're trying to cover up one hole for kirk cousins and you open up another whole. You're trying to patch up this for somebody else and you lost at some point so you gotta say to yourself. You know what we made mistakes may we should just let her cousin goes to the jets. That would have been typical of that. There's always a team that you're competing against in and you think to yourself man Dan. If we see the play of the same way that we might be wrong well. I've defended Kirk cousins for far too long but the watching his watching him play with really not a lot of urgency to to him you know he's got skill players and he still he doesn't make anybody better. I think that's the thing that drives me crazy about her cousins. He doesn't make anybody better and you could say about the offensive line. There's no doubt about it the rams why did they lose they lost because it became a drop back pass game and they can't function throwing the ball sixty three times they need they. They need golf to throw at thirty. They need to be able to run the ball but when they got behind in this game they couldn't do that. That's why they lost the crazy. Thing about cousins. Mike just to finish that point is is that everybody seemed to agree. This guy isn't a top five or top ten quarterback but it was all timing right. He got franchise at the right time and got franchised again. The redskins had no choice all right well. He's the best justifiable right now he had put back together back to back excellent seasons and he cashed at the right time so it's not like you begrudge him necessarily like nobody believed he was great but but he had a couple of very strong years and like. I said it was all about timing and he cashed and now you go man. How the hell can pay him that much money? I would say this. I would have said Sean mcvay Veigh Sean Look. WE'RE NOT GONNA pay off. He's got another year. We'll give them that. You're going to go out there and you're gonNA find the next off. I'll pay you twenty million dollars a year the head coach of the Rams but you have to find the quarterback 'cause golf. You've made Golf Great Golf didn't make you great you may goff great and I think what's happened in the NFL. So is the worst mistake you can make in the NFL and I've made it so I'm speaking from experience is when you pay for mediocrity. When you pay for mediocrity you you screw up your team sports franchises and you've got to understand what truly is great and what truly is mediocre if you don't and you pay for mediocre and you think he's it happens in the NBA all the time they pay you know because it's free agency they pay these? Max Contracts and the guy's really mediocre. He doesn't move the needle do use kidney. SPN Turn Okay. He doesn't move the needles but you're paying them like he does and that's what I think's what's happened with some of these quarterback contracts. I think that's exactly what happened all right. How about if you don't know now you know the main takeaway from this week of football is. I don't think there's a great team in the NFC. It's not philly. I think the the bears might be the best team. It could be with Chase Daniel's but let's just go through it like tonight. Dallas loses twelve ten mean grade teams. Don't score the rams. AM SUV discuss vulnerable the niners three but you don't know how good their look. They turn the ball over five times. It should've lost his you know the two games they beat Tampa and they beat and they beat Pittsburgh. They could have lost easily lost both of those games. I mean I don't have them. I don't know if there's a great team in the NFC Saints Three and one but you're right with bridgewater. I mean what they get briefed back. Maybe they become the best team because this defense played well. They've played well. Give it body yards and Seattle. I don't know if there's a great team after after four weeks. I can't say to you man. This team's really good. I I mean I think there's this weaknesses and all the NFC teams all right. How about who is courageous. Who is desperate? Oh I think Atlanta's desperate D. I think they're desperate. I think there's going to be a lot of finger pointing. This wouldn't want gets bad on staffs this when you're old when you're one in three and people think the hammer's coming to now. It's not that bad washy tickets. They're all expecting to get fired so you know they don't really care but Atlanta. This is one of those where they're not sure what's going to happen and then you get desperate a new start wondering what the Hell's going on all right so that brings us to this issue now which is the top three in the bottom three and it kind of leads the fact that you said Mike that you know who's the best who's the worst for me. The top three straight for the Patriots still haven't trailed this season and listen. The bills defense hung tough. They did put a little bit scare the Tom Brady he was not at his distraught today but New England is enough to win. You know whatever tough place to play all the rest pats number one chiefs again mahomes incompetent. They'RE GONNA to give up point to they're always going to score thirty plus points. They would have thirty four to thirty and number three only because count your point but no great teams. NFC I just want a little bit of balance. I'll put the packers yeah. They're coming off. A loss against the eagles was at home at Lambeau but Philadelphia played inspired. I felt like they play desperate. Rodgers and the packers almost leading the win until Philadelphia got that interception on that bad break so I'm GonNa go patch chiefs packers as my top three. How about you. I'm going pats and chiefs and you know what I decided. I mean and I don't mean this is a shot towards awards trubisky but I I think the way Chicago so dominating on defense with playing with backup players today you know I'm like I think they're the best team if they get any play from the quarterback backing trubisky miss any games I don't. I don't think he's their answer. Don't get me wrong but I mean they are the best team they don't have. They don't have a consistency a quarterback. I I think they are the best team though because defensively you gotta give Pagano Credit. He's done a great job of filling in for Vic Fangio. They're turning the ball over and they're hard to play. They could dominate dominate the game. They really can far as the worst teams in football the bottom three the dolphin today. We career the worst team of football. They're happy with that. They weren't tank for two anyways. I'm sorry the dolphins are the worst happy birthday matthew. He Turns Twenty nine tomorrow. I believe he'll turn twenty nine. I know it's tough for him to lose games happy birthday MIC. How about this. I got two sons I just had a baby. Matthew just had a baby boy. That's four million. I have four grandsons. We just will now so we have a dean Elliott Lombardi. He just had it. He turn and then his birthday show on the thirtieth. He'll turn twenty nine and a mixed birthdays on the first. He's got two boys so we're we're getting together a team so even though Mattie we put your team in the last place we I still love. You say it's always family right your son's above all else thirty. I is the second worst football. I'm going to put the BRONCOS. Just because I mean today was heartbreak. You should've won that game. They blow it. anyways fourteen point lead at home to me. That's inexcusable and the third worst team won out the redskins. They're about to lose their coach. It looks like their own for me. It's pretty straightforward for those are the worst teams have football and I agree with your order. I just had the Redskins as the second worst and I put Denver's the third worst because I agree with you. You lose at home to a rookie quarterback and you got a fourteen point lead that that's malpractice and it starts with the dental manager. I mean he's gotta be. He's never accepted accountability for any of it. It's always been somebody else's and look. Here's the thing and this is really what I think is should happen some of these gems in the league like the one in Washington. They should just coach the team. They want to control everything they see. Al Davis Davis Disease has spread through the League where these guys sitting the GM chair and they want to coach the team but they don't want. They want plausible deniability that they're not involved off. I mean if elway wants to run everything that he wants to run. He should just coach the God damn team and the same thing with the same thing with GM wash he wants to tell them who to pick and who to play he should just coach the team last Monday football too bad teams to Owen three teams. You get the bengals and the steelers. Owen three JOE TESTS BOOGER McFarland trying to sell this one who we got one in this game Pittsburgh desperate. They got to win this one. You Know Cincinnati one and nine against them. Having one there in typically Cincinnati can't really move the Ball Cincinnati's offensive line is bad. They struggled a pass protect against a lot of people the secondary look. I think Pittsburgh's in real trouble. I think Pittsburgh's in realtor. Everybody in the League tells me that if Mike Tomlin doesn't win this year he's out now. A lot of people think if Mike Tomlin loses and he gets fired he'll wind up and Carolina because the new owner of Carolina David tepper used to own part of the steelers has a really good relationship with Mike Tomlin so you know I wouldn't say Thomas at work but I think there's a sense of urgency in Pittsburgh to win. So that's why I would put Pittsburgh and how the highs of Mike could you got. I gotTa give it the Justin field all I heard all week. Is The sharps love Nebraska. You know that's what I do visa. They talk about the sharp money elmo. I can almost pitcher mush coming in and betting on a game or something you know. Where's the sharp money. Come from you know but the sharps loved and I'm like tell tell me what Game Nebraska's played good this year right and then Justin feels went out there improved it you know he went out there and prove that and he's you know he's played sensational. He's got sixteen. Touchdown passes hasn't thrown interception. Scott one hundred ninety four quarterback rating me. He deserves just like Joe brought to be in the heisman conversation now. We're just GONNA give it to Lincoln. Riley was quarterback every year then we should just call it the Lincoln Riley we shouldn't call it the heisman but Justin feels in a high state of legitimate team yeah buckeyes against Nebraska that game was on prime time over on ABC A. B. C.'s so Kudos to them as always check out the GM show on apple podcasts scribe you can rate the podcast. Give us a little bit of a review at Checkout Sinophile as well the Irishman full review there as always we are Sundays and Thursdays. We'll talk to you on Thursday

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That's a fight davis in-studio versus mattie whole week far to everyone wanted a rematch on that one. They just don't each other. They try. They smile. They try to act like they do. They don't you notice that right yup bhai rocky to anyplace anytime. Let's go stallion right. I mean oh that's funny is we're gonna have this set a trend line or not trendline but grading on a curve because really for him that was on point for almost anyone else is kind of off your office show last week and he had a movie reference from the movie he signs that came out no to it's done me oh with about the alien yeah. He was like swing away merrill swing away. I was like what i was talking about. The if there's going to be a field of dreams a game for the yankees next year in iowa and they're going to have corn fields and jonas talked talked about oh the signs movie and i said swing away man who is this. I'm nice shamlan anyways. <hes> yup who and mel gibson was resume remembered. I've seen that okay but i don't remember any lines from stunning new that what if you've only seen eight movies. I'm gonna ho two. I thought everything past nine hundred eighty nine. Was you go jonas eight books. He remembers every one of them at a friend and my wife is still a very good friend of mine. He's the brother of tom who runs our sales and very intelligent fallow but he wasn't a hard worker academically so we ended up going to high state and graduate you know but he should have graduated probably with three six three one kind of dude and he loved the book atlas shrugged which is like over a thousand pages. Now that's a book. That's kind of political these days because a lot of libertarians love that book <hes> like peter thiel <hes>. I think it's a it's it. It was a very influential book when i was a i read it in high school and it was like a very precocious. I was very precocious to read it but it was very influential but listen when you're sixteen years old and you're smart. It's easy to be self reliant. You know not what the books about like you know the south relies and then you you know you get the flu louis get sick and it's always unsafe man. I'm happy or someone here to help me so you know it's one of those like the famous line pity the twenty year old. That's a republican again or the fifty year old. That's a democrat the there's a certain evolution in life now a lot of democrats going to hate that and young republicans gins alex keaton but i think in general people get more conservative just the way it is and i think i tried to certainly a young man's book but he never finished it and he would talk about it nonstop. I'm like what are you gonna. Finish that book so to this day is it's. It's i'll be renamed thing and you know oh no and so you should finish our stride. He is so mad. I let's get to the action. Okay hard knocks faz and we we have the benefit of straight out of vegas where we did like twenty minutes on this. We're going to get it done like in six. 'cause we're getting to the meat of it. You had to take away that i think is wrong. You're sticking by yeah. Gruden looks so engaged he looked so young and energetic and into it and he's everything that i want in a football coach r._j. So often. I watch football coaches. Things aren't going so well. They're just staring into space. You know like not talking to anyone. Gruden is just yelling and screaming at people and like we got to fix exist. We gotta do that. I loved what i saw. Two gruden and i think on the surface you're absolutely right. The question is he's a master performer if anything to take away after episode two was hey. He's a star. There's a reason he was the eyes pay guide e._s._p._n. Dan you know and i get why there's criticism amongst the media because here's a guy that was not a professional media guy stepped then it was good or somewhat better than anyone at media and listen just from the limited amount of of <hes> video stuff. I've done excuses oreos the ballers. Whatever you get around that stuff a little bit. You just get a feel. Where's the camera you know. I look a little better with my chin this way or the there's just it's just like anything else you get wraps and gruden whatever kind of performer he wise historically and i think he always always was guy. There's a reason they offered him the job on monday football. He was a performer right. He had a lot of wraps so now how he's next level when it comes to being able to be a coach you is photogenic spot but it's not even about good look. I don't think he looks i think he looks missile chunky to be honest like i thought of them as chunky up again. I mean you know i'm not saying i'm tony at least here but that's an old reference has this uh-huh damn but the reality is that this guy knows how to present and so my question to you is is is is that what truly is or is it what he wants you to think he is and you may have me on that and maybe gruden's fooled me and again as a professional presenter. That's what he's supposed to do all right so brad. Lot of people are are loving. <hes> you know i love the the hollywood hollywood hogan. It was like what's hollywood guys hollywood glitter the glitz what you're more wa- gish i am and i'm learning it much and it's about you know from hard knocks. We're getting an inside look at an n._f._l. Organization unlike what we see typically the n._f._l.'s not this type of league like that opens up the doors and i i want to gather information i want to gather edges when it comes to the betting the market and i'm just not getting like i did last year when hard knocks was with the browns were inside coaches meetings <hes> we were you know looking inside the g._m. Offices is when he's bringing in players whether or not to come or not. We're not getting that so far in the first couple of maybe it's coming but common anything you would have seen it early early. When there's less natural storyline i like to me episode. One has the lee last episode was the least natural storylines and when they have the the guys go into the dude ranch or whatever to ride the horse. It's probably a sign that could've slipped a little bored work agree and didn't later. They're not going to the cuts. What's are happening and you would think. I mean we know in two thousand eighteen in modern media. Niche offerings are more appealing so there must be little or no interest because you think amazon streaming show doing what you're talking avow. I don't know but in a weird way remember. I think it was the conflict amongst the coaches on the browns. They were dramatizing not so much the boardwalk that that was you're correct with that you do realize and this is gonna sound funny but it's not you probably would benefit it greatly for picking one camp a year coaching clinic and going to it and i'll be candid. I mean just because of a couple of people i know but i'm one coach removed from every coach in the country meaning that if i if you name any coach i kn- you know seven degrees of separation. You know one degree. I know someone knows if i don't know my not that i know a time but you know again we know the stoops's and just there you're gonna know right so i mean and you should think about like that some great. There's some great clinics where it's like a two day. You've seen these absolutely i. I've worked a bunch shoving because back. When i was in my twenties i would go and hanging out and worked low bit and never got paid so i'm not sure i should say at work them but i was hoping open and because it was fun to hang out with the coach because to me that's a lot of my college. <hes> you know general knowledge is about picking the brains of these coaches coach. What do you think about this has been. This was years ago. Why did more of it but it was just last year. <hes> i think it was sunny day show yeah it was sonny dykes yeah for sure i was at dinner with and <hes> who's one of the real offensive mind absolutely and i just spent the whole we were tentatively planning a podcast series. We we still should do that. We just comes as three days and we do like ten hours on the board. 'cause i would learn so much but that's something we could set up. I'm sure we could get well. I mean we could probably get you calmed into one. You should think about it all. I don't have to think about it. I'm all and then every year. Just pick one because i mean you know leach you obviously would want. I mean then there's the certain minds you know in. These guy asked the funny thing. You might think a leech wouldn't give this stuff away. There is a community sharing with the coaches now other some like ballot. Check is not as inclined to do that. It seems like but like even a guy like leads will go up on that board and explain what he's thinking now. It's got a i heard. The theory is it's hurting him a d._c.'s looking at that but by the same token if everyone's doing almost like <hes> p._d.'s if everyone's on p._d. These are nobodies on p._d.'s same yep right effectively. No one has an average so if the whole coaching community agrees. I'm just going to share sheriff's staff or no one shares. Anything nat be the same. I guess if you're more innovative you'd be giving up more more so it would. I guess but yeah so but i think there's a culture they mostly share. I mean i'm saying yeah. Mala check. I read savings savings that he's visiting with her remind. He's usually visiting. They are visiting with village. I don't see that off. Really i always hear about hint taking trips to kelly now. I'm not saying you're you're. I'm not saying i'm right now. I'm just saying and again ballot. Check and probably give you ten. I mean say even save it but with most coaches bow checks and give you ten percent. You're gonna give them a honda and it's a fair deal. I mean he probably doesn't have to give you right they get. I don't know maybe it's just me projecting. The ballot. Check seems like taibbi wouldn't tally as much as you might because again but actually there's a book out there. I ordered and i swore i was going to read it this off season. I didn't but he's taken four hundred and fifty page book. I talked about about eight about fifteen months ago. Four hundred page book where ballot check sat down with a writer and went to a bunch of like that much football and save into this. They both did with the same author. Oh i'm gonna have to yeah. I'm going to have to find. I got the physical copy of it but i don't remember the name but and obviously the mike lombardi book doc <hes> is one that a law you know it's i think a little more sensible the lot of people like that he you know he kinda connected football life. Kinda like we do vegas the life but not a lot of access to knows my big takeaway from hard knocks was how sympathetically adequately they treated antonio brown now. What is the. We always say you gotta know the game. You're gonna you're playing two roles. How do you win. And how do you win if h._b._o. Big ratings subscriptions a little different but viral you want branding through viral distribution by was and you know ratings and buzz. I guess is the way to say so now. The question is what were you looking forward to faz brad. What were you looking forward to coming into. Hard knocks walks episode to antonio brown absolutely it was i wanna see how the players were reacting to him to coach abie. If gruden would make a couple of comments you know l. type of we gotta get this guy in here thing or maybe the players are rolling their eyes whereas a._b. Where's a._b._c. pull back the curtain a little bit on how this injury happened to his toes. Get a little more insight indictor information some impressing them on it like how did this. It was literally if it was an oakland raider production. They couldn't have treated him anymore. Gingerly it was either saying not. They set enough where you couldn't act like you. Wasn't you know they showed defeats. He showed it on instagram so obviously obviously in object to the hat so my question is why and how 'cause it was an indie interest of h._b._o. How to whatever degree this show episodes who has baas it's last because that stuff wasn't included. No corey so to me. It's one or two things somehow gruden had enough stroke as they say that he's able to negotiate final cod or whatever i can't imagine he's watching the final. Oh cut you know go. Don't take that out who knows though number two is h._b._o. Figures arja. We're not journal journal. What is this journalism is harder. Now i know journalism in that lines become blurred in the modern era is e._s._p._n. Journalism well don van natta is is you know is is a radio guy. No that's opinion. Well okay. So where's the line. Nobody knows right they. They're teaching classes at columbia about this trying to figure it out and i'm not sure there's even a consensus answer to be honest with you. I think most people don't want to be journalists because does that means. You can do whatever you want. It seems like you will often hear call and talk about. I'm not a journalist why because it frees him from those rules from from those expectations we know hard knocks as in journalism so they're doing it for a reason to me you think about the teams teams you'd wanna see on hard knocks next year. As who jumps out at you. I wasn't ready for the question. Let me think about oh. Take your time. Let's we'll get a feel. We'll let the listeners get a feel the way you think. Who would you like to see on heart round <music> patriots. Those would be the top two steelers for me. That's great okay. I agree patriots obviously i- steelers just because they've you know and but the funny thing is other than the browns and again i agree you know let's be candid. There are certain teams james you'd want to see. I mean first off. That's an interesting question. How many hard knocks would there be before. You didn't watch them all <hes> meaning. If there were six hard knocks so meaning they have six different teams six hours a week. Would you watch our sex <hes> assuming assuming they were six of the best teams and so you got to pick the teams yeah one night our night yep eiger at that think about so i mean i would love to see the browns this year and see what the rams are doing. You know obviously. I don't know if it's financial whatever and it's one of those things to. We've seen with college football. All you can keep thinking moore's good and then a certain point. It's not when it's mac on tuesday with a line of seventeen so we're gambling is the savior viewer so steelers never done it. Patriots never donna. I don't think the packers have how that will think so the real organizations organizations the historic ones and it's not just a story but that wants today that you say these are the best run. You never see them now. I know there's some veto power but then sometimes it gets overridden. I dunno right but here's what i know. The more that this hard knocks looks feels like a promotional video and a oakland raiders production the better chance someone on the no list call uh-huh the no column next year is in the yet yes and then. I think they're attempting to h._b._o. Are knocked. Producers seem like a sympathetic presenter which increases the chance of getting the team they want next year. Why else would this be makes a lot of sense. That's an excellent point recruiting recruiting teams. You're listening to r._j. Bells dream preview in this show is presented by s._a._p. He kumai and how am i feeling. I'm cliven great. Thanks what if businesses could really understand how their customers feel. It's a thing it's s._a._p. Experienced management enjoyment for more go to s._a._p. Dot com slash x._m. Are you looking for a rewarding career that pays well and offers vacation days from the start. 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An gruden was three and one against the spread this preseason last year so a guy that's shown a propensity propensity to want to win and preseason and all things being equal. Oh i always expect that propensity to continue with coaches mo- i guess we'll see if you really do but of our bat but the fact of the matter is the scrutiny. The spotlight is brighter for grew now so to whatever motivation groom had to win and and let's be honest desire to win. Winning mattering is the biggest factor in preseason yep usually almost all the time. We're trying to aggregate half points where humilating half points at best. This guy is out. I think he's worth a point. Everyone else thinks he's worth a half point vanfleet for example now. There's a handful of times. I mean a handful. I think extremely bad weather in the n._f._l. Or in football is an example with especially with win like extreme when we're about half points is either true or not and if it's true it might be worth seventeen points. Obviously if a quarterback's out or not aww that we all know you know that's something no one's. I guess that's inside. Information is if you know rogers out but everyone else thinks he's in or drew. Brees has a a shoulder injury. That's not being disclosed and it's gonna compromise him in the final month year or not i big debate because there's different numbers he wasn't wasn't but we'll get into that as we do our info previews and such but to me if a team is truly motivated in a pre we season game or not that air be that binary is worse seven to ten points agree and since most of the time it's known if by history how motivated teams going to be you would think it's building in the line nine buffets you approaches. I thought very analytical way you said i'm gonna find a certain threshold makes sense. It's called plus or minus five games now at that count the vigour not y you're ignoring the ignored the vig so like you said coaches that were plus five as far as winning and preseason against the spread or minus honest fiber worse than the nice thing about the five r._j. As it turns out all the coaches were seven games or more above or below <hes> against the spread. They got included so none of them were five five or six. They're all seven came into looking at five is right but it got this now. We should caveat quickly. Andy reid had a lot of close games half point here half point there air. He's out of the list and what we've got is four coaches that have done exceeded expectations by that much and to ooh fallen short so let's go through the list of the aero up arrow baltimore harbaugh seventeen above five hundred seattle pete carroll. These are the numbers going into the year. Eighteen above five hundred mike zimmer minnesota seven above five hundred and jon gruden oakland eight above five hundred. I so four up arrows now now. Obviously some of them coached a lot of games so they might be fifty. Seven percent others haven't coaches many we had <hes> we had rights reich. Mike right is was foreign last year right yes. How do i forget how the bills do this okay so he. I guess he would have been on the list us otherwise so it's tough right because like we look at <hes> kingsbury now and we can say they covered arizona but what does that. I mean you know and we'll get to that actually now if johnny your boy has right yes how old is he. He's eight very intelligent eight year old yes but he's eight wasn't that long ago. I took him in rock paper. Paper says rushed him like a bug and i don't like kids win. I think they need either spirit broke and then you build a bad. This was the most amazing thing you've ever ever seen because obviously if johnny could've just randomized his game selections he would have been fine but he was the the wheels were turning just enough with him that he altered and it was predicted. I started creighton patois and r._j. Just just lately forecast when he was gonna rock when he was gonna paper over and when he he kept having a hamming money he was crying. He was getting upset not crime but you could see the glistening his i. It was like the diner scene and what's the name of the movie with the father similar to when you're handing archie after listening to fatter is a little bit of tear in his eye. You know what's funny. Bringing bringing the story back around. We were telling us scott whose brother is actually his daughter just graduated high school and she went to a real nice school and he's doing wow it's <hes> what's the name what's in pittsburgh carnegie mellon which yes i think the twenty fifth school in the country. Let me tell you a lot of phone. Oh 'cause about all those machinations getting in there. It was on it. Let's say slipped in under the bow but congratulations. That's a great place to go. I mean he's a you now. Scott grew up where i grew up. It's a coal mining town and but when that girl was his daughter was fourteen or so maybe thirteen <hes> they had we tanisha right well. Let me tell you i don't want to say i was one of the best in the world we ten is but i think i was one of the best in the world that we tennis so she thought she it was good. I just went up and destroyed or i mean it was like if she even got appointed upset. I was upset. I didn't show it so finally only people start looking. I'm here is like a party with eight or ten people. You know little gathering. It's like what's wrong with this guy. He's like a little kid and i turn around and say i said i've been beaten up upon the pats for decades i go we gotta make sure it's on another generation and to this date. He still talk about it and then do you. You think they're thinking i want to mess with him. Now nope the thing in where he wants to go to dinner. That's where we should go or we gay might break out who knows what's going to avid so the fact of the matter is with jani as a smart eight-year-old he would if you said pick you know. How do we predict who's is gonna win these preseason games. I think smart eight year old might say well how they done in the past and it's like oh. That's a good idea. I have ballistic coaches that have done really well and enlisted coaches that sun really poorly. His starts going to be wild. Let's bet on the arrow coaches and against against the down arrow coaches daddy very logical very logical. That sounds too easy doesn't it and it sounds counterintuitive quite frankly to our contrarian approach. Whenever i'm with the masses i'm uncomfortable batting because by definition. It's going to be more expensive over there all right so so far we got the six. How if you had just done the johnny a handicapping system nineteen ninety-five except we're giving away now for free. How would you have done this year. Seven seven and now atlanta's atlanta's quinn is already lost twice against the spread because he was in the hall of fame game exactly now on air. I asked faz would what over and under for the rat so. We got six coaches three games. I don't know if they play each other. Oh jeez. They play each other. That's got to be yeah so so the fact of the matter feser. That's pretty easy. Yeah thank you is. The fact of the matter is you would think if it's not predictive at all over under fifty point one percent you'd love the under right or it would be the clear pick. You might not love. I asked my first thought was fifty seven and a half do you go over under. He said he said under like quick. I man that's quick. I see about fifty five years. Ooh ooh so. I said all right. That's it. I'll go over fifty five. You go under fifty because the theory is you know and you're not sure he took the bat now. Here's my theory whenever i hear about this. Umpires gone over twelve or thirteen. My first thought was the history and when you find out he's got hundreds of gangs around the plate and it's fifty fifty. It's like okay. He's either changed you know and again it literally could be sounds crazy. He had a hernia operation nation and now he's not able to get down as low and he's calling and different strike zone. I mean you always gotta think about those things but in general with long-term term says one thing short-term says the other. I don't trust the short term. I don't know if i trust the long term. I always think things are changing but i to me. It's a best awash <hes> anxious about the short-term when we have a history though of guys winning this and losing this much and we know at the line adjustments are the paradigm the fundamental approach to adjusting the lines is based on these half points instead. It's a yes or no and if it's a yes it's might be seven ten points. I just don't understand how you think. It's not not more predictive. I think what it is our jays that fifty five percent. I believe in the theory i've been trained it so hard to pick more than fifty five percent. We always talk talk about got to try to find a way to win a fifty five percent that any level above that amelie balking at it it simply just couldn't be that easy less interesting because what you're saying well. That's the thing since it's so rarely that easy sometimes it's that easy because no one believes it and i think we've seen that with our own experience and this is the first time we've done a daily show in the n._b._a. Playoffs we had five or six props apps that we said this seems crazy and there was a steph curry. Prop were gold stayed at everybody out and i said r._j. The points after come from somewhere anything is this is the one i disagreed with them on and we've fat and somehow that's not even the the third or fourth one yeah over his comes in bold red but he's right thinking is what is the public side here over. What's the easy logic over if they're giving thirty and a half for whatever the number was there saying bring on here's what i learned this year i mean literally in the last twelve months the liquidity the amount of batting that goes on on in these markets player props that you might change the future right now as we always said he's books aren't that smart most of them and they're you're not that worried about these five hundred dollar bats three hundred they get shaped up. It seems like soon enough and the the question for the book is does it cost us has more money to take some of these bats at bad numbers or to pay someone to come in here and really put the right numbers up and decided what they decided which means he's <hes> illiquid market. We shouldn't think something looks too good to be true. Sometimes it's just that good now. Why would would we agree up so preseason football. Let's just use baltimore for example house. The ravens at horrible done. You're so the ravens in harbaugh one twenty nine nothing against jacksonville just saying what's the streets there fourteen oh straight up twelve and two you against the spread the most recent streak and i gotta tell ya r._j. We made her bed. I went back and i watch the <hes> the n._f._l. Rewind baltimore jacksonville all my god so money came in on jacksonville. Don't know why baltimore closed like minus. Three and poor men shoop the jacksonville the quarterback they were blitzen them. They're coming after him there. They could've played that game a hundred times. You know many times baltimore would cover a lot. I i hate to say i like eighty eight or ninety two or some crazy number. If we could go back in time machine that number was just wrong and on offense lamar jackson playing three series everybody every other starting quarterbacks either out or playing one series. He's in there for three. Here's the thing about the ravens and i'm gonna ask you this question. How vanilla ella were they 'cause i. I'm certain harbaugh has a bunch of stuff surprises ready for the regular season. I thought okay on one hand. They have a history to win harbaugh again those hard balls he smells. There's some problems but he likes to win in the preseason but he's i think he's gonna go. Vanilla vanilla was yeah. They were vanilla but they did enough of what they're good at so they do that. Run option and well shocker all of a sudden lamar jackson doesn't wanna get injured so in the run option he's just handing it to gus edwards every time instead of taking it even even when he was open for him to run but they roll them out like they do during last year and they had a lot of those plays i will say this baltimore's backup quarterback mcsorely he is the perfect backup for lamar jackson runs exactly the same stuff. That's the thing they're saying r._g. Three right is in the mix. He's injured though yeah but for what i'm saying is they've gone alwin. Yes and it would have been stupid to have a pocket passer as the backup right so so. I think that you're right in the preseason preseason vanilla meaning not showing you anything complex not showing you anything tricky because you're saving it for the regular season. That's the term but the commitment they're making this run game. I think they probably play even harder. Even if it's vanilla because we gotta get this stuff right steelers running the same remote staff yup right so it just strikes me that the reason the money came in against the ravens is the public or the sharps arps are looking at handicapping like anything else. It really just feels like this is different now. You said something interesting. You said it's fifty five that stopped you now if somebody said 'cause if something were were random it'd be fifty fifty right so if we flipped a coin and i said we'll do a thousand housing flips but i'll give you over under five hundred ten right. You're gonna hads. You're gonna make gigantic love under under love it okay but let's see i wanna say this. Maybe i won't try. Gotta give the analogy because i don't have in my head. I went you can help me with it. It seems like if you went to fifty two if the bat was will these these teams in aggregate the next eighteen games you know six coaches with arrows time straight. Would they win fifty two percent of the time what would you i'm guessing you would go over. I would and i'm guessing you'd probably lay some lumber yeah because i think the right numbers probably like fifty four percent so here's here's the question if feels like if you did the math on okay woody's each percentage point worth just like in total right over forty four or minus. One ten over forty might be you know my fifth year. Would i don't know yeah one sixty yeah. There's a there's a way like a seesaw. It feels like you the price you would go over fifty percent. Let's say would be so much higher than would make sense for someone that would go under fifty five. It just feels like that in your mind. Even though it'd be one game out of the eighteen that would make so much difference but what you're you're saying is unequivocally. I would in fact if i if i told you even money fifty percent no vague. How much would you bat that on the over. I make a big bet okay but you went so you would make a gigantic bat over fifty percent but i wanna bet under fifty five so so it just shows and i get i get the idea over thou- <hes> even hundreds of games that makes sense but over eighteen games never gonna be able to distinguish it yeah yeah so it's interesting right is how your hit one of the things. I'm starting to see doing this every day. Obviously i've been in business for over a decade. I've been batting batting since i was fourteen pretty much every day but doing media everyday talking about these games every day. Talking about these scenarios is the things that that make you great phase at handicapping at winning as a batter or the same things that that are caused blind spots whereas fifty five point you just wouldn't go above and so here's the question. We have one hundred down on it. I wanna add three can't back down now. Now that it's open brad you can jump on which minorities the winning side now now the irony because i do believe these teams are going to cover more than fifty two point four. There's a good chance i'm going to be basically scalping this because i'll be laying my as the dollar ten on these bats and i'm book and plus a dollar. One hundred bucks advocate on the last is game. I guess but let's just say on a lot of these games. I think i'll be rooting for myself to losing on this propeller just baguettes both you so. Let's be clear no no way do. I think the question is fifty. Five percent or not as you can see that says no we say yes. We're probably right history indicates but the seven oh is just a happenstance is good talking point now but i'll tell ya i really believe and i gotta to be honest. I love trends that the sharps are on the other side of because in a way the trends. I love the most are the ones that benefit bit from the public going the other way like there's a famous tran. I don't even know what the number is anymore. If you take college basketball a home team who's not right or team but it's almost always home who's not ranked. Who's laying points to a ranked team. It's like an auto back and you could say you you could talk to your blue about that trend but more people are gonna react that little number and the plus then any trend hawks going to trump yeah. I love the trends that are public driven because they the zigzag. There's no public side if you think about it. The zigzag is opposite in theory the. I don't know if you know that phrase fat yeah m. o._t._s. more of the same heard of that one yeah and it's one of the situation it's one of those situations that you would think the average fan things if a teams won seven in a row they're higher on them to win the eighth right. Yes we're thank you. Let's fade them well. What's the zigzag saying. If one team wins go the other wet surveying. The public is saying wait a minute. The home team was laying seven. They won by thirteen and nine line six so always remember the viability of a trend or system system which is not team specific but leaks specific over time is usually correlated to how public or where the public naturally would go and the public is nationally against the trend that keeps it alive agree good. We're good. I think uh away brad region over the tape yourself okay so is there anything else from the preseason that you saw that really jumps. Maybe go rapid fire some bullet point yeah so i'd be remiss not to mention one of the coaches that we talked about not caring about preseason atlanta's quinn and he's already in the preseason. He was playing miami r._j. And this is the best evidence. I can give a coach that doesn't care about whether he's gonna win or not. The game is tied side atlanta's catching four the closing number. They're on their own eighteen yard line less than two minutes to play fourth and six the announcers go so lands going to punt miami's james gunn excellent chance to come down and kick the game winning field goal atlanta would cover of course nope quinn went for it fourth in long from his own eighteen with his backup quarterback who got sacked miami wound up scoring a touchdown and covering so not exactly a random endgame of typical coach quin clearly does not care about winning in preseason now. The theory is correct me. If i'm wrong the rap that he got by going for that helps the theme mm-hmm yes but it's i agree but it's not a play call that the vast vast majority coaches quinn is sutton gotten atlanta to win regular season games. Yes because i think there's two sides of this and listen. I fun with horrible. No doubt harbaugh's no doubt about it but if you're game planning aggressively for preseason games and what's the difference how much rotations rotations quarterbacks especially you know. You got your starters in the other team. Does that makes a difference. How much to coach conveys that winning matters. Do you do things that. Maybe aren't positive easy for the game but get you ready for the regular season all those questions one of them. Though oh do you play your the guys that are on the hotline. You give them more time in game three more time in game two lessens chance of winning but you have a better idea of who to who to keep and listen i harbor wasn't the coast but remember james harrison was caught by the ravens like four times i mean if you go look at it while and he instilled instill in pittsburgh came and told him it was the same thing he was borderline and then he became melissa. How rare is that rare. You never know when that last kat is gonna end up being a james harrison so making that right decision. You might say decimal point stuff. Maybe it is this year because if it wasn't it'd it'd be an easy decision but may not right the steelers probably literally a minimum. Don't win that arizona subaru without harris amen on them so you could make the case that the ravens cotton harrison allow the steelers to win a super bowl again. I'm just saying the ravens because it's harrison now because it's horrible if you're trying to win that hard part of what you're losing is a chance of seeing seen those lesser players play more when she agree yep yep to me ballot. Check swooned lose games in september to win in january not on part sold on purpose. It's okay. I want to start this left tackle. He's five percent worse in the vatican but by november he's going to be better. Are let's go. That's the kind of decisions or we play these guys again. I'm knocking. I got two tricks. <hes> i came up with during the see now i like this. I'm going to show him one this game and one the nec's to study to at once lot coaches show. We'll come up with something in the end term right. It's the equity. The bell checks gut to make these kind of decisions. Yeah isn't that the opposite of winning at all costs and i'm saying that with a smile but almost that guy carbonneau has yep so you're saying you believe it hurts the ravens i think it does. What do you think it's tough because i mean a lot of these coaches i i mean. Gruden hasn't had overwhelming success at tampa bay at least down the stretch after he won the first super bowl. All carroll has had success in the preseason is also had success in the regular season the same for all. We don't know how much excess would have other ones. That's what i'm saying. It's almost like if one talk tom brady number. One had to coke zero day and tom brady number two has none none well. I'm pretty sure the coke zero. Tom brady would want some super bowls. We can say oh. It's cokes. No the question is what is the dow top between gene citrus paragraphs between ina vacuum those two things it feels unequivocal that obsessing over winning the preseason i might be a little disingenuous percent obsessing being such a focus hurt. You agreed now. There's another side to it. Some people believe winnings a habit and i'll be honest with you. I'm a believer in that like listen. I was never a great athlete but i was certainly decent enough that you know in the summers we have you know we ties you would have olympics. We were kids where we like all right three rounds of golf three two on two basketball game. We'd and have you know it'd be like a try not traveling but that kind of thing and at the end whoever won the mo- it'd be like seven things and whoever won the most one right and and i'll tell you this. I don't think i've cared about anything in my life more than care about winning those because whenever i compete i i care about as much as i can like it's just in my blood and a lot of people look at me back then and the people i was playing with were the same. It was like you guys are nuts and it's like either our winner or you're not a winner and har. I mean obviously harbaugh's believe that the and let's be honest honest. They've been very successful. Oh yeah so this is where the intelligent nerd side of me says oh you're gaining rap rap and pardon me saying gay and you lost another african game loser and listen. Let's be candid. Bill parsoes was who's the champ of wanting to win in the preseason. Don't like lose winning culture so it's a fascinating discussion so let's rapid-fire through any other priests yeah just jason garrett of dallas is the other one that does not care about winning a preseason so he and quinn are the to be just sucks possible the clapper exactly one more preseason and i want to ask you about this because we talked about the patriots real quick so i talked about the patriots not carrying that much in september what happened early in the year last steer. They got crushed by detroit and they got crushed by the tennessee titans. Well guess who they played week. One a preseason they play detroit and they annihilated the lie. I gotta the honest with you. That was one of the shockers to me because to me. It felt like this is when the lying. Let's be candid ended. The whole <hes> has a pencil behind his ear with a laminated play sheet is catching on the whole rocket scientists thing is vein and to me if you need if you needed a statement when it felt like the lies needed it yeah and the money all came on the line lines in that game the lions opened the underdog. They closed as a two and a half point favorite. They got sacked nine times. They're starting quarterback game. Savage got sacked three times in the first quarter. Got concussed had to leave the game. They got crushed. They got twenty one yards passing for the entire game and the reason. I bring this up this week. Who who does who's new england play. They play the tennessee titans the other team that crushed new ing. I hunter percent disagree with you so you don't think that there's a here's what here's where i think it is. Yes and i just thought of something we've never done pick the best coaches and we'll you know some of it would be subjective but let's say the best five see how they do in preseason when they play that same team that year and when they don't because my guess is a guy ballard chat because they just got beat by the lines they don't play him for four years <hes> so they can they can go super vanu the last game and there must be something going on that he doesn't like there has to be something with patricia that the pissed off ballot check is my gas because one they played them last year. Obviously you would think it's revenge but that assumes the ballot check cares about preseason and i mean we know he doesn't even care as is much about september games so he must have figured there was something he saw on the tape last year that he could exploit and if anything showed the rest of the league how to exploit it right. That's next level yeah patricia. He's going to show them how to be as it turns out what the patriots does they brought a linebacker acker up and they had five on the defensive front. And how unusual would that be a preseason game for the past to do that. Be pretty unusual. Normally go vanilla and you don't blitz except for selectively so that was very unusual that they were russian five like knocking to quarterback out in the first quarter and my guess is that you won't. Let's see that from the patriots something maybe like engaging twelve or something but he knows who obviously who they're playing. He knows what he's doing it against the lions. He knows he's not gonna do it against most of the other teams so he's got people thinking about and again we know he shows you things. He wants you to think about any won't show show you things. He don't want you to think about right or doesn't want you to think about so to me. I think the better coaches are going to go super. It's not so much. I want to bet on them if they don't play team. I wanna bet aw i wanna fade them if they played at saint team later in the year because if the opponent own is a lesser coach they're going to show more. Yes i like that. We got a research shot yeah we do. I'll get on that. I'll put that it's interesting or a minimum minimum. Maybe just look at ballard shack on that because if it's not the case with him it's all going to be the case probably and then if we see with him we can try to add some coach. I know the wiseguys is also like to bet under when the when teams playing the preseason. They're gonna play shortly. After in the regular season. The idea is the offense is not gonna show anything. Now i agree with that one hundred percent <hes>. Let's talk again about in game or between gay motivation because i think you can't have the coaches. We talked about that. They i tend to win or lose but on the other hand i think especially for team especially for teams owen three goning game four. You don't wanna go winless in game four. It's some coaches don't care but most do in game four. It's so much discretion about who you're playing that. I think oftentimes oftentimes you'll get extra motivation to go three. Who's go or over four because owned. Four is a narrative winless but i even thinking week to all. All you did was play on the team that lost last week. I don't even have a database in the preseason. You got this yet so one oh four four and sixty two blindly bedding owen one team straight up against one not that sixty two percent back in nineteen ninety-four and listen why not play that i mean it sounds nerdy but square but why don't play that blind yeah why not and unless there's some kind of great reason not to their three qualifying teams. I gotta tell ya archie. I'm disappointed. I always talk to you about all week to i love week too because o-on versus wanna know situation. There's only three qualifying situations most the teams that are playing wanna know teams but we do have three four one three rotation chicago plus two at the giants which have a computer on the back on one camp. Obey might have three and a half hosting miami and the indianapolis colts minus three hosting cleveland using rotation numbers like it's a college basketball saturday and their games. I can't find furman makes the okay. Let's go to dak prescott. I mean this is more fox sports radio seven by the way guys shows hitting his stride six o'clock eastern to under stations coast to coast fox sports radio three o'clock doc obviously pacific podcast same thing so dr j. bow subscribe it every day iheartradio app the whole thing fox fox sports radio dot com excetera okay to me that is so smart to have the debate be. Hey should he get thirty million or forty million and someone on twitter actually told me the exact tactical term because i don't know it but anchoring is what it was but he was funny. He tweeted r._j. Bow starting explain anchoring negotiation tactics on radio but really what it is is the term. I've heard moore's framing can frame the conversation. Should it be thirty or forty well. What's the most likely outcome somewhere in between thirty. I five or something like if you ask them. How many people live in norway one hundred million or one hundred fifty million people aren't gonna say whatever it is twenty million but if you give them two choices another neither correct but if you anchor really high people will get it. You'd have to have the there but you gave a range weren't anchoring thing whereas anchoring away too high but yeah you're saying. Let's think of an analogy here. If i said brad. Where did i guess where i ate yesterday. Kentucky fried chicken taco bell. I know eight at home. I mean it's like you. That isn't hankering is making shit out. This not not related to it. Have you read much about persuasion. You've read more but have you read anything wife. Bias people's results like in a questionnaire when you give them like a biased range anchoring i did i had read that before so so explain to me then how you are so knowledgeable with anchoring and your body is is that if you say how many people were norway a hundred or four hundred fifty million in the twenty million that's anchoring because you're biasing people's answers to the hands because you're putting his no high and you. There's no stoops's arrange one hundred one hundred fifty million that there is no twenty million but people will respond like one hundred fifteen million when you give because you're just lying to see here's the thing all your extensive reading. You don't anchored both like both of the numbers aren't something you create. The opposition creates one of them so doc if he was smart would say. I wonder if i should get paid one hundred million a year or one hundred and twenty million a year. That's angered everybody the brilliance of dacca's. He's not talking about thirty two million. He's talking about forty exactly okay well. I don't know exactly it's closer because it's not wrong but but what motivates you to give an example of something that you baz have a passing foggy recollection of think. It was mistake i think i think you had a good early show. Let's move on that is not theme with him. Yes he's been killed and it. I think this is one ear better. Podcast podcast has been child. Attention has a q. magic tricks and then and then they start trying to do the hula hoop for science and they have no no experience with the hulu here so right like you give them a thumbs up. That's nice. That's nice and then they get all excited like oh wait. Let me go get this hold on. I got my tennis racket for example my <music> when you're going well tighten up think about the way people like to bulk wins and poker. You know how it's one long game. It's not if i kick you off the show. Luckily that's all going to have if i just had his best. Mm says it came back from vacation and again. This is usually inversely correlated bass month from him so thank you now. Don't don't get outside your lane though well you know so to me quickly now and again. Let's not to be political article but the art of the deal. There's probably about twenty pages in there. That are some of the best negotiation advice that i've read and i've read had a law about persuasion not as much perhaps faz but here's the thing and there's a whoa. There's a more tactical. It's something like the ov- ovarian window. I think it's can you look that up. I guess i go very unlike cancer but i think it's closed very window and the concept is embrace looking it up the concept is that if you can can define the range that people think are reasonable the overton window okay and how can you just read the definition yet. The range of ideas eight diaz tolerated in public discourse exactly so this is something that's more political is the idea of in l. Go the other way. Trump did make sure everyone doesn't. I think i have some hidden. Agenda is were trump. Being politically incorrect is making it where the theory is. Oh oh these kids at this white school are seeing him doing this and now it makes it feel like it's a reasonable thing to do and obviously obviously there's a lot of science behind that but it's a similar concept to forty million okay. That's possible versus forty million. You're freaking crazy easy all right. What was the debate before should get thirty or should he take a hometown discount like twenty three twenty four million. What's the debate today thirty to forty thirty to forty so again. You never know what people are less. Usually seems smart is probably smart. Someone's doing it with four thought. Especially when millions are involved it is interesting to watch the debate change and in a weird way and this is from the art of the deal the more stream. You're willing to be with a straight face. People believe you. I it's like i mean in a way you think about our industry in the old time saturday morning guys forty you know row or whatever people believed documented but if you sit and say i think if we're lucky shop we can hit fifty five percent. You think all everyone would appreciate the on is that it are you kidding me. He goes professionals even kolon who let's be honest this guy's been picking his blaze and five successfully passively for a long time and i promise you guys it might be five or six times a year. He'll call me on a game beforehand. Get my opinion doesn't even follow it all the time otherwise. Those are his pecs and he said listen. I know it's not easy to win. Sixty percent to me. Is you know if i can do that pretty much every year. I'm happy i i've told them twenty nine frigging insane. You know it's fast. It's just like we said when you were in your fifth year. When you had won the hilton or the super contest twice and then there was three more years we looked at your five years and you're i'm going by memory here. Fifty six six point eight percent just below fifty seven very good and we had one hundred thousand dollar challenge out there anyone that this year will go <music> over fifty six point seven. We will bat you. One hundred thousand over under was out there even money crickets. I i mean literally alum boston. I spread this around on the radio and stuff but i was playing. I was playing in a game over the suncoast <hes> to five ten straddle game an island was there all the time i mean i'm talking a long time and i mean months and months and every time it was all these sharp poker players author taught and they once they knew who i known guy they all who's this t._v. Who's this guy doesn't know shit and again because in our industry if you're the more famous you are are for the not famous people is assigned. You don't know what you're talking about. Which seems kinda crazy might be. You know what you're talking about but you also know how to present it to the public. Okay okay but little hint but the fact of the matter and again not that i'm you know again. I'll say two thousand times. I think i'm in the ninety nine point nine nine a sports betting but there are hundreds of people that know more sports betting in me. It's something that only those people could tell the difference meaning a fast. You know a lot. I mean what if you listen to. This show would see my guy no more than you. Let's be honest brad. Oh yeah you know more than me and i mean that's just subjectively true. It's just it's it's hard in any form to really get across that okay in the third quarter if i again when it comes to the way to execute on a position i felt that the best in the world at it so he's next level even from the level above me but this the stuff that would come up never on radio show never even on a podcast 'cause it's not suited for podcast is suited for academic papers and stuff so when i'm doing business this and you're reading some academic papers you're thinking about something or you're on some postal forum debating atop. Whatever you're doing that extra time. It gives you an edge over me. Would i embraced as one my own limitations but number two that i want to understand the core the foundation allegation of batting as well as i can because understanding that a little batter is more important than understanding the marginal edge case staff for you you find one margin this kino's plant and again this is not support spanning but kino's doing again i know keno u._c.'s and against gonna have any advantage but in this scenario two for one on points blah blah blah you get that right you might end up making tens of thousands of dollars from it so it makes sense that you're fixated on that kind of stuff. It doesn't lend itself to radio whereas my my main job isn't as a professional batter. Yours is mine in is as well again. That's a question. Is it running a company or is it doing media. I'm doing so much media now. It's really i'm doing two things and it's it's tough but it's fun very well said and it just as a lightning-fast example. I had a book that on every n._f._l. Game offered me a prop. Will the final score be i'd or even this was the super bowl one about three or four years ago. Oh no no. I was thinking about one. What was the the first touchdown. I knew some sharp guys that had a huge opinion on what the number of the score would be but go ahead yeah so it's it's the same concept you think about all the final score of and this was every n._f._l. Game we one two three four. This book was offering well. What could be more fifty fifty than otter even while turns out. It's not fifty fifty because think about this if the game tied twenty twenty. There's a really good chance in overtime. It ends twenty. Three twenty odd is more common than even and it's profitable to blindly ladar ten and bet odd in the n._f._l. In the same way that i'm able to look at a scenario and say and i think my instincts when it comes to public money are about as good as anybody's where i can apply to a lot of situations but you've got fast dozens of situations where something like that. If you told me you gotta do it. There's big money to sit down and probably gonna get the same answers you. You're going to think about it for seven minutes and get it. It's gonna take me an hour seven or whatever maybe longer and your ability to do that is been a thousands of reps. I tell brad all all the time. You're talented is any mid thirties guy. I've met in his business. Fast has twenty years on you and at some point those years become nay or the good thing about offenses and i think the radio has helped you with this. You are pretty set in your ways and and as you started seeing listen evolving not only is good to win but it's i think it wasn't so much you were batting being sat in your ways but some of your answers were wrote wrote. It was like oh this is something marc lawrence would've sat in ninety eight must be right and lately. You've been spending a lot more time. I think thinking looking at everything everything with fresh eyes that is so valley exactly and i'm throwing out a lot of examples another lightning fast one baseball this year. What's the book on baseball. We don't lay more than a dollar fifty. You're the you you look to the dog or you. Pass the game well and that's the book in general in general well that was before the ball got used in the average number of runs being scored gorgeous ten instead of eight and what's happening well. The yankees are when there's two more runs in the game. There are more likely to get those runs than baltimore and it turns out two of the most profitable teams as you're betting oh the yankees and the dodgers two of the most public teams an across the board and the really bad teams the tigers the kansas city royals are just getting crushed and a big part of that. You're saying aged so you're saying just like in college. Football like six or seven years ago when the scoring went up is the dogs were getting killed because they didn't adjust the power array exactly okay okay see i'm good at pattern recognition but but again this is something that is in the litter. It's not even in your blood. It's it's imprinted printed on your brain so way think about things and you know to be honest with you is when you're a as articulate as your today. It is such such an i mean. There's no one else has the ability to not sound like they're gonna put you to sleep. You know let's be honest smart. There's all kind of m._i._t. Podcast or youtube videos especially out there that no one's watch or some people are watching it yeah but more people listening to the dream preview a week then probably watch that video adver ver- and is an m._i._t. Professor so it's not just the right answer. It's the right answer in a way that's with a little sugar on top. I'd say i'm r._j. Bow this is not straight out of vegas so i usually say that's a dream preview. Let's talk andrew lock. Oh real quick though as much as i can remember friends show mike lombardi. He's the one that kind of started the conversation. I heard again. Bharti's connected is our reporter but he connected. I've heard the dock turned on thirty sticks. I don't think he said and thirty and he's asking for forty. If that's true is freaking crazy easy to me. I was ready right then to say i'll bet anyone over under thirty and a half million meaning doc will make more than the thirty because to me i understand once the debates between thirty and forty if it ends up thirty three cobb which feel like they won. It's just they lost once. The debate debate came that i think i'm still right but just in the last twenty four hours or so remember guys were table wednesday night here in vegas the numbers illiquid liquid market but it's moved the other way yeah so the average annual salary of dak prescott next contract seville vodka twenty four hours ago before taping. This podcast gas on a wednesday night on tuesday. It was thirty four and a half million average annual salary now as we're taping on wednesday. It's thirty two and a half million but i still am. I willing to bet you on that r._j. I think it's over over thirty million when it's all said and done and that's the thing it makes me wanna if this were sharp. It's backed the idea. You gotta know what marketed is. It almost almost tells me if you know anything about negotiation once it starting forty the best number is going to be thirty five probably thirty four 'cause doc still feels like like you want once you get down to thirty two and a half if if i think there was inside information. I think there's something i would not be shocked. Is there ends up being an announcement in the next couple of days where it's thirty two like we're the number was known now again. They're only taking a small bats but it just it seems weird that when that's the range you're going to only be twenty five percent yeah through the range. You know i'd be one about over thirty two and a half million. You're right. I'm worried about the inside information but my gut i make outstanding case for why it should be above thirty two and a half and closer to thirty five and i'd be worried about it over thirty. It's over. Yes yeah. I mean i like the over to. I'm saying it's it's hold me back. I'll tell you this. Oh i'd be well. This is an example of it's all about half points or have you know millions. I would go under if someone gave me thirty four point nine out go under strong. I think the cowboys can't go over thirty five and feel like they won on but diagnose it that forza game so thirty four. He's dancing so my gut feeling is. It's kind of weird to say is is. What kind of odds would you give me if i said between thirty two point five and thirty four point nine so i'm saying there's a two point four four million spread so let's be honest. This could be twenty a right and it and it could be. I'll break it down so i think there's about a forty five percent chance it's below thirty two and a half million all right all right. That's forty five and there's about a thirty percent chance about twenty about twenty five percent chance it's above thirty five so it's forty five and twenty five at seventy. There's about a thirty percents lands in the middle there so you when you were saying it was thirty four point five million which was yesterday. You're thinking that was should have been like minus. Two hundred on the onder 'cause you just said is there's a new information since number <unk> dropped yeah but again. We're assuming this market sure so. You're saying you give me plus three hundred thirty percents. I give you all i give you a plus. Do thirty sure phases out. Take a little sliver out plus two forty. I mean when you know you would think you'd soften them up a little bit with all the compliments. I just think it enables him like when i when i beat him up he gets him hamid. He makes bad bats now that he's confident if views like his true alpha predator nature i agree you agree yup just feel i mean getting round up lookout. Look out andrew luck. I guess all we need to say here is game. We want off the board game. One season season went off the board yes so i went to sleep last night and sometimes i get up at like five in the morning jay but i didn't do it this morning. So so i slept in and then i get start getting texts. Kenny verse off uselessly been i. I would say you wake up before six. Less than fifteen percent sounded time fair enough so you don't sleep in if something happens to eighty five percents all right all right but he's getting around my my phone's lighting up with the text. We're able to get down and get some chargers. You get some under ten. I'm like what are they talking about so as it turns out it's no certainty that is going to play in week one because the calf injury is become a high ankle injury as well and there's a lot of <hes> new information. That's coming out from the medical staff of the colts but the bottom line is that the game got pulled the week one line the of on the game. The chargers are no longer laying three. It's off the board and almost all places. The cote season win number last night was ten wins today. It's impossible to find the books pulled it off. So all that means is it might be because of the history of injury luck injuries with rolling disclosure as they call it might be what i've been ranting and raving about on fox which which is. We don't believe i right now. I think like how where does it fit on the ny. Naievety scale of of the coast said it's problem so i believe him. I a cia. Even johnny at eight wouldn't believe it. I mean these. These guys have lied to a so off after two thousand seventeen with the labor with the shoulder. We kept here. Oh not a problem at all n._f._l. Girly yup and that to me is the problem. You can't believe what the team saying but there's betting on it. It's a problem get ally and daniel jones g._m. Comes out blah blah blah. We wanna united play of course you want and you're starting to do well right but we gave a prop ou- right here in my thinking was hey eli based on history st. I'm just going by memory here. Thinking the last two years he had nineteen and twenty it was twenty one two years ago and i'm going by memory brad's looking it up nineteen last year touchdown passes the over under was eighteen and a half so i'm thinking eighteen and a half sounds right just with his age even if he plays sixteen yeah i mean just with a natural progression. I think you know you're close to fifty fifty at that number then. I thought well what's the odds that when he gets injured which he hasn't been approach that but he is older got yeah. You're right nineteen and twenty one last two years. Why did you seem like you're like chagrined. No not impressed brad can fools was numbers are better than me but the fact of the matter is. I thought it'd probably fifty fifty at eighteen and a half. If he plays off six games chance he gets injured but having a hell of of a chance even if he's playing decent you get the game eleven and you're not in the playoff hunt you gotta let your you know your first round rookie. Play playoff uh-huh team's going to be lucky to win five games now their season with numbers. You never mix but yeah. It's likely that the giants are gonna have a talk a tough year all right so now it went to seventeen and a half you know in a day or two. I'm not going to be like brad and say i moved the line but <hes> decide for yourself. Rothstein was a hell of a handicapper. I can tell you that i was so good that whenever i bet i could change the odds for every bookmaker in the country now. That's impressive if you're moving a line but literally now it's off the board. They're saying we will not bet you at any price. That's a handicap at is a handicap any thoughts on that. I wrote my thought is that you're better so good r._j. That at even at the seventeen and the half night the eighteen and a half you've got if if i play under seventy and a half right now with danielle jones looking so good in week one preseason all right small sample. I think i'd les minus two fifty. I think it's that good of a back in fact i would lay minus two fifty if anyone wants to press the green button on me talking about the great one r._j. Bell unless i i'm not saying any of this. Thank you though thank you steven all right but it's back to the idea you know unless i'm mistaken hey can caesar's was the only been some online books but i mean when you get one plays putting up a number and it hasn't moved because obviously if it's it gets touched up. It's a whole different story. I gotta tell you you think i'm joking with these bookies. We should come up with a challenge how here's a question phase if the west gate who's famous for putting up numbers if they gave us one oh five funny. How do we wanna do this. There'd be something where we get reduced juice. We do it like the outlaw line. We used to be where there was a private market. You know about this right where you know the there'd be like this is something to start. I said even before the lottery the idea it was okay. I'm gonna call up. V._i._p.'s right yeah but guys you trust your opinion. They're willing to only bat without letting today's dollars. Maybe maybe street is or something but they figure will give him three dives. You know couple people and will shape these lines up before there's a run on some bad lines. Yes i wonder if we could because the the west gate who can give them a lot of credit. They do put some world openers. Most biggest books won't do any of that. They put up those lines on thursday for next week. Riders that wednesday or thursday. I think it's it's either tuesday or wednesday <hes> i. I don't think it's tuesday but okay probably wednesday all right so and give them credit right. What are they taking a dime on those they take three okay. Give me more crafts dimes games of the year three redeems on that look at lines for the next week but i tell you this my look at those openers and again. We gotta get disciplined to get down there. I guess is the point point. There's two or three games a week. Just it's crazy wouldn't you. I mean it's like it's like our bat. If the bat was closing line value i think we'd hit at eighty five percent yeah absolutely part of that. I think is that the well again. Let's give him credit. They've got to put up sixteen games. We're only trying to pick them off. You know where the hand and absolute absolutely. I think sometimes they're a little bit too sharp for their own good where they'll take a situation that's favorable. I make an over adjustment for what they'll say. Oh this is is like an under the radar situation situational spot. That's really good for this team but then instead of moving the line one point. I'll move at like two and a half or so they'll over just just for special situations. Sometimes let's give them credit and i don't know and to me. It feels like that what they're doing the week before is their brain trust which again i think he's as talented as any in vegas collectively who some talent there versus when they put up the super contest lines and shade them. Those things are deadly like i hey. There's an average shade that i like gets. You're looking at the five picks and you're saying oh. At least i'm gonna get san fran plus seven. It's always six and a half always and and it's like i get it if it was minus one twenty five to the to the dog but it's not it's it's they agency where the they know. They have a good idea where the lines moving by the time they put those babies out. They don't have any idea the week before and i guess my question question would be. How many games would we be willing to bat. I guess at even money. It wouldn't make any sense because unless we bought them all that's interesting. Would you be willing to every game for thousand and even money against our number ten thousand. If you're thinking is worse case. You're going to be fifty fifty the right now. That's interesting. You'd be willing to bet every game a ten thousand because sometimes they're going to be wrong. I can pick fifty point zero one percent so we got to think of a challenge because here's the given no one's gonna take it even if we make it fair 'cause he's bookies. Don't want to say it but they're are going to say it with. Their acquiesce of no is that they don't really know what they're doing now. They're certain certain guy. Let let me be super clear as handicappers as batters. There's very few bookies if they could be fantastic wouldn't be fantastic. Just i promise you have you ever sat in on one of the <hes> some middle management meeting at a casino. You don't want to be there and doesn't mean there's not a given support. They can't be usually they have their favorite sport. Your they got a golf guy knows golf man. I wouldn't want to book his golf but that's one thing right. They know how to book. They know how to make roaches. No doubt about that but they're they're not professional batter lavel batters or they would be batting agreed agreed so they've got but hey they're not saying a way you could say the not saying they are but they are by presenting themselves as experts and then quite frankly whenever a guy like fazzar a batter gets attention. Wait a minute. What has he you ever been behind. The counter like that's a redeeming thing that means it means that you had days that you literally couldn't win enough to not be behind the counter right. It's like a poker player saying you've never doubt i mean the worst thing you can ever do like this. Shame shame for a professional poker player is when he has to become a dealer and then he's going around and seeing all the people he played with all my you've seen before having says i mean it's like you can feel soldiers see been out and again. It's no i mean i guess shame if you're trying to be a professional but it's just human rights some. He was gonna win some but i tell ya by definition. Bookie is a failed batter right now. I think there's occasional cases that the risk risk tolerance is the issue that they could win. You talk about steven november pregame.com pro. He's about a sharp as they come with fantasy stuff for geographical no kindy n._f._l. No question but he never makes harley. He makes small money from it because he's got a low risk tolerance. Yes and i think it's fair that there's certain bookies. I think nick bogdanovich. I don't know but his risk tolerance but i think nick so sharp. I'm not anxious to take his action and you know so unless there's no one else but there are some sharp guys out there was kind of funny knicks william hill which has such a bad rap when it comes to you know sharp archer whatever but i don't think and how do i know what you know. Listen armenteros today the idea he's grinding through college basketball teams just as absurd right but do i really know how sharp bookmaker x._y._z.'s now now but what i know is i have a good idea with the life of a bookmaker is and it's a it's not i mean it's not even close to being a professional national batter. Yeah you know and we're all motivated by different things you know. No no no no almost everyone is motivated by money well. I'll tell you stephen over as an example. I honestly feel if you asked him. Would you rather win a thousand thousand dollars straight betting on props or win your fantasy football eight man league fifty dollar buying so that's only four hundred dollars. Which would you rather have i. I think he'd rather get the title. I'm not saying people don't have blind spots. Don't at fateh shash certain things but in general people are saying. How painful is this how much money make sure that's the human calculation and would the bookmakers are saying. I was sit through having a handle. This guy is ticket writer smoking marijuana one in the bathroom and me having to deal with it and go to h._r. And i'll handle everyone but steve went back in the day bitch at me meaning. He was the understandable mandible. <hes> casino owner in theory vaccaro had a lot of freedom at the mirage but otherwise the big corporation saying. Why did we lose right not that month but that day or would you rather sit in bat rather bet come on right but those guys again again. I sat here for a few minutes talking about my limitations. If all they did was say listen. I know more nine point nine percent of the people but some of those batteries out there but when a bet three dimes i'm moving out line. Oh by the way that fantastic. I don't let them why only let them about once a day. You don't hear that do you don't but again in today's day and age the truth wins all right just takes awhile sometimes okay. We had some theory stuff. We're gonna wait on that. I think it's just best bats from here. I do it all right so we're gonna do one this one. I'm going to make this very entertaining commercial break but one commercial break and then we got best bets who we it's heating up baby football's common um and speaking of the summer though rake on everybody needs a great pair of wireless ear buds. I mean and let's be honest. There's nothin' sad or then some guys moving into his thirties forties fifties and he's just out of it like he. You hand them a foul. He's got phone squinting. He's got the phone really far from his phase. He saying what's facetime. 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We're not sure but if you're not subscribe if you're listening right now you're not subscribe you are making a mistake and if you have multiple players subscribe multiple times it helps us on the numbers doesn't hurt you at all right surcharge a bow subscribe subscribe dream preview. That's this and straight out of eggs. Gonna listen every day but if you want a quick forty minutes of what's happening who we speaking of being about the match. I want to start an annual tradition. Brad is once a year every football season at some point in august. I'm gonna want you to explain to the audience to the degree that you've evolved all to love blossom because the thing is i thought i did that wants it but he no no no no no about a year ago. Here's the thing you would think think. I've done it already but that's the thing blossom is like almost like a bottomless. It's almost like the the universe you ever stop. Anyone smoke right now. This is the time is how big is the universe can't even comprehend how big because if you say the word big that implies an end to it yeah but what is what is that and is it a wall. I don't know well that's blossom. Is you think you love that song as much as you can and then you'll love it more so again. We'll have once a year kind of a check in so share your thoughts well. I mean i went from the start. I was like i don't know that you see see in hindsight that was you're insecure masculinity. Yeah i agree with that. I was like why would a man wanted to listen to this but not only is growing on me. I like it <music>. I'm borderline love at this point. I probably liked it last year hating it the first year and now it's almost a love do have i mean let's be candid. There's probably a by logical response. When you hear the song there is positive. That's what i'm saying. Yes we have these <hes>. I always mispronounces. We're limp. Dick sounds as is where it is at the level is at the level of your brain. Not your conscious breath right like when your when your mouth waters yep. You're having a response and it's not sexual. It's a responsive icomfort of this like. It's i mean think about music gives a ranging. These random things notes in a something that makes you feel some and i'm musician but boston makes if you feel something and it's good. That's funny if i'm like you know thirty years from now if i hear that wondering what i'm thinking you'd thinking argh. I'm living in this mansion. Harte's where you're thinking i lo- all right. We're gonna go. We're only a couple of weeks away now from week. One i'm going week one college football and i'm gonna go with florida's. Stay hold on a second. Was this your way of getting he 'cause. I always tell faz he does to me but i don't go ahead all right. Let me go a florida state minus five over boise state. Here's where i think the mispricing is florida's dates off. Their worst. Season in four plus decades first losing season since nineteen seventy six up arrow. This is a team that's going to buy in now in year. Two under head coach willie taggart a very experienced team sixteen returning starters. That's mispricing number or one mispricing number. Two boise state has to replace a four year starting quarterback and there's a good chance that boise state is going to be making a true true. Freshman start his very first game here. That's mispricing number two finally mispricing number three here. This game is played in jacksonville florida florida and a quick update of the ticket sales so far florida state sold over thirty thousand tickets boise state's sold less than three thousand and tickets ninety. Percent plus of the crowd is going to be florida state. I don't think that's being properly priced in the marketplace. At all up knowles role. They'll be motivated for to stay. They minus five knows road. Did you have that plan now. Just naturally. I wouldn't even reading notes. That was a good presentation. I was exceptional and all that heat and humidity in jacksonville probably favors the team from florida state. I'll ask i agree great. Stop brad powers on twitter. It's brad powers seven now. We know that he's that we got two times a record. He's cried so i think he missed a third. Oh another one yeah you missed him. What did i say he was out on. The street. Out of vegas admitted to crying was if as damn it. I'm sorry was did not archived. I now think of it but he's talking about me. I hardly listen yeah. That's true but there's a third now. Why cry why are you crying and i feel n._f._l. Dreams i always cry at the n._f._l. Always not just wants at least five times at the end of the movie all by yourself your apartment yup <hes>. Do you ever look at the phone and wonder who you could reach out to realize nobody. That's yeah i can't i mean it's always the part when he's playing catch with his dad. I don't feel like calling on my dad and cry and i just don't do roll out way but were you close with your dad or are used. I mean that's what we used to do. I mean that was the only anything we didn't do much. We're poor so he just played catch but like every day. Did you feel like you're paying attention to you. I would say we'd play play catch at least four or five times a week from what as as i would say from probably six twelve wow and you were like i mean five five nine so you're like five five feet apart or how far away how far all you got a good arm <hes> fifteen yards area. I just got the sheet of paper up like turn go ahead. No i was actually thinking about my son and i we throw the football back and forth. I gotta get video of that. He's not going to be a future n._f._l. About you you can throw the ball come. I can fit. You never spot a football all right day night. We will bring the football football of some fun with that. We're going to go with the indianapolis colts modest three against the cleveland browns. We talked about it. We always looked at back own. One team straight up against a one team and that trend is one oh four sixty and sixty two since nineteen ninety four against the spread but i actually liked the situations in this game as well and here's what i like indianapolis they favor last week against buffalo. They lost outright so i have a team that was favored. That got an else. That's going to upset the coach upset the team they're supposed supposed to win and they lost and what the cleveland browns do they destroyed the washington redskins thirty to ten and not only was it a blowout win but at the end of the game cleveland cleveland had it a long punt return by a guy that is a big underdog to make the team and everyone stormed out in the field with three minutes to go in there hugging each other celebrating cleveland was so oh happy satisfied off of their week one preseason win. I think it's a big flat spot for cleveland. Gimme indianapolis minus the three fast and we and let's be candid weak to strong suit historically for you in the preseason week. Two is my favorite of all the weeks in preseason all right defensive on twitter at sports f. e. c. k. that's at as exports. There's little old may his twitter handle is at r._j. In vegas <music> gifts and next week we sat it. I mean it is like a ali frazier. Hold adler the return rematch. No one wanted it. Eh it's on thanks for listening to r._j. Bells dream preview catch the wiseguy roundtable each week college. Let's put ball released on wednesday n._f._l. On thursday don't miss any winners subscribe on apple podcasts or wherever you listen visit podcast one one dot com and download the podcast one out have a question for you can contact him directly on twitter at r._j. In vegas live the dream with us each week jordan here. I know a lot of you. Create your own podcast and a lot of you already. 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It didn't go far enough but for others it was you know shockingly open if anything it was reminder that sometimes the superstars are just like us or at least a little bit like us. Brady complained about Wi fi in the house. He's running from Derrick jeeter and how difficult it can be balancing work and a marriage and Credit Howard stern and his interviewing skills. We'll see Tom Brady continues to be this open. As he takes on that new life after life in New England a couple things stood out. I didn't expect to hear much football wise because Tom is so adept at not telling you anything about Football Howard. You know we'll probably looked at that and let me see if I can do a drive by with some of these questions and then he probably got bored because he wasn't hearing anything that was really titillating then. He kind of homed in on who Tom Brady really is. And that's the family life you know. What was it like growing up? Did you smoke pot in high school? Did you drink? Then you start to talk about balancing your career and you have a wife. Who's one of the most famous women in the world and makes more money than you? And that's where you strike gold with something like this because Brady goes to these press conferences. He's interviewed every Monday on w. e. In Boston. He's interviewed by Jim Gray on Monday nights for the Monday night. Football on Westwood One. He's used to avoiding dodging downplaying football. Those questions because W E and Jim Gray. They're not going to be asking you about Giselle. But he's on with Howard Stern. That's what Howard Stern wants to ask you about. He's more interested in that because that interest him and as an interviewer you go to sweet spots that interest you no matter who. I have on their certain questions I have to ask. But then they're also things where where can I go and get something out of somebody whether it's Jerry West when he talks about his childhood and he talks about sleeping with the shotgun and the fact that he was going to kill his dad? That's more interesting basketball because that's life we we can admire somebody on the basketball floor baseball field or a football field but when they start talking about something that could be personal to us as well. We've lived in that moment. Where your father's abusing your mother and he's twelve years of age and he's got a shotgun and he's going to kill his dad. Dale earnhardt Jr. talking about his home burning down right in front of his eyes. And He's thinking I gotta go now live with my dad and what about my Christmas gifts. That's what I wanted to know less dramatic with Tom Brady. But he's talking about going to a marriage counselor with his wife and his wife is saying. Look the season just ended. And now you're going to go to a voluntary workout. You GotTa get home. I got kids here. And she's got a career as well but that's what I liked because they're just like everybody else those conversations I you know. I'm adamant that Giselle not try to sabotage. Tom's career but certainly tried to speed up the process to get him retired because a couple years ago when she went on the CBS morning show. She's the one that brought up concussions. Tom Is not brought him up now. He did have to address it. I think she was saying. Look we're done with this your legacy. Let's come home now. Now we have to have a life together and I really believe that she was trying to expedite that but you know Kudos to Howard to get him because once you get him he plays by your rules. They come into your studio there on your show. They play by your rules and Tom knew that could have been a little bit more open about his relationship with Donald Trump Org Colin Kaepernick and the impact that it had on the locker room around the NFL. Yes but I didn't go into this thinking. Tom Is going to spill that much. I was surprised he was doing it. I don't know if this is a new Tom. Brady the two interviews I've done. I've done three interviews with him one free. Espn the magazine. One prior to the Super Bowl with the eagles and one where he was on the show after he won a super bowl but those are all football related although ESPN. The magazine was a little bit more fun questions not necessarily XS and Os with football and even the interview. I did with him at the Super Bowl. Prior to the Eagles match up I did try to delve into the whole Brady Bella check relationship and it's one of those answers that I'm always going to think of when I think Tom Brady just because I'm looking at him and saying do you think you and bill will ever open up the scrapbook and take a trip down memory lane and he looked at me like are you crazy. And he goes no in like of all the things Brady has ever said. That will stay with me for the rest of my life when you say hey brady and Belichick and I always think of no like that. Answer is just like he laughed. He's gotTa be kidding me. That's not what bill does but Brady did talk about his legacy on the Howard Stern show. This is courtesy of Sirius. Xm And this is what he had to say. I never cared about legacy I could give about. That's never I never once in high school said man. I can't wait for my what my football legacy looks like. I mean that's a very it's just not me. That's not my personality. So why would I choose a different place? It's because it was just time. I don't know what to say other than that like. I had done everything I accomplished everything I could. In two decades with incredible organization incredible group of people in that will never change and no one can ever take that away from me. No one can ever take those experience or super bowl championships away from us. They're too busy playing. Sometimes we worry about legacies. How many times do you hear this? I I'm even guilty of this. Oh Gosh I wish he would have retired a year earlier. It's their careers. If Tom Brady wants to play he's forty five. Great Michael Jordan. I saw Jerry. Stackhouse says I wish Michael hadn't come back to play with us with the Washington Wizards Okay but for Michael was important but it was also important to become part owner of that team. It was important for the business side of Michael Jordan. And if Tom Brady wants to play drew brees wants to play. You know peyton manning at the end of his career. I didn't want to see him play another year in. I SORTA got through that year. You win a super bowl and then you're done you know there's certain players where you just go. I'd rather not remember you that way. But that's me being selfish. I hope Brady plays two more years three more years because my buckner is of course are GonNa make the playoffs and they're going to bring back the cream cycles so then it comes back to me. This is about my memories here but Brady good for him if he's fine with the legacy and this doesn't do anything to this can add to his legacy. This does not subtract from his legacy. It does not in my opinion if he doesn't make the playoffs the next two years. And he's an average quarterback. I don't think we're going to go. Yeah but the buccaneer member when he went to Tampa Bay. When somebody goes out. Johnny united with the chargers or Joe Name it with the Rams. I like how we say. We don't remember that but we always bring it up. Does anybody know what stats they had? We just know that they went there and they weren't that good but the charger years for Johnny United here. Is Tom Brady talking about his loyalty with bill. Belichick and vice versa. I think he has a lot of loyalty. And I think he and I had a lot of conversations that nobody's ever been privy to and nor should they be that so many wrong assumptions were made about our relationship or about how he felt about me. I know genuinely how you feel about I also love this. This is one where Brady realized in. Tom's dad gave us a heads up on this a couple years ago. He said at some point. And I'm paraphrasing Bella. Check will move on from Tom like he does everybody else and I remember when we were going through this whole process. I said always remember to Bella check. It's business to Brady. It's personal it's always personal with the employee. The employer has to make a business. Here is what he had to say about. Bella check being Bella check. I'm not going to respond to every rumor or assumption. That's made other than what his responsibility as coaches to try to get the best player for the team not only in the short term but in the long term as well so what I could control is trying to be the best I could be in both of those situations also so I got into unchartered territory as an athlete because I started to break the mold of what you know so many other athletes had experience. I got to a point where I was old. I was an older athlete and he started to plan for the future. Which is what his responsibility is. And I don't fault them for that. I mean that's what he should be doing. That's what every coach should be doing also understand Brady benefited from this style. That bell check had that you could get rid of players. They're interchangeable except for Brady. He was the constant. Bill didn't discriminate. He'd get rid of young and old all pro future hall of Famer or a guy who was just hanging he had. He didn't care he he's a businessman. We get caught up in. Oh Gosh you must have a great relationship all the memories. He got rid of all of them. Troy Brown lawyer Malloy. Run DOWN The list Richard Seymour. He didn't care it's like this is business in our minds. Brady was telling us before last year when he sold his house and when his trainer partner put up his houses well he was saying. This is my last year. We just didn't want to believe it somehow. Rex Ryan got involved in. This conversation is only rex. Ryan can. Who's now retired? He works for the mothership. The conversation was I guess who is more important for the success. Who would you rather have you know Brady or Belichick and we mentioned this yesterday. You know who's more responsible for the success of the Patriots and to me? It's a no brainer. It's ballot then. Rex Ryan got involved in this wreck. Said if I've got to take one I'm taking Brady Ryan said he would have won a trophy case full of Lombardi's if he had been coaching a quarterback who's greatest Brady and although Ryan about that called Bella. Check the best of all time. He added that he doesn't think Bella check would have done as well if he would have been stuck with. A bad quarterback like say Gino Smith who Ryan coached in his last two years with the jets. Racks goes on to say. Let's give him somebody else. Let's give him Gino Smith. Let's give him whoever and let's see. How many super bowls he would have won. We saw the answer was zero in Cleveland Rex. Rex can be a clown sometimes. Didn't racks draft Gino Smith? So you're right bill. Bell check would not have won the super bowls which you know Smith but bill. Belichick wouldn't drafted Gino Smith and gave him the keys to his offense there so I mean Brady was a sixth round pick. He was picked number one ninety nine. I mean he found somebody. Rex took Gino Smith and I feel bad for Gina. Smith gets brought back into this. He did call REX's snake. But you know. Here's REX's had quite a couple of weeks here. You know what he called. Amari Cooper and Now bring a Gino Smith into this and the fact that Bella check didn't win in Cleveland therefore proves that it's all about Tom Brady. Bill could have won a super bowl. I think with a couple other quarterbacks in there as well but he probably would have been smart enough to say. Gino Smith probably not the quarterback that we want. Yes mclovin good morning. Good morning so you know. Espn are they going to promote the heck OUTTA REX RYAN COMING WEEKS? He's on this role. They must love this. Yeah I mean he's doing what he's supposed to do. I mean this would wreck. Did as a coach I mean. He's he's sort of the the key a coach who's bought into the skip bayless playbook. I mean save things. Put It out there. Who cares if you need to back it up with any stats or something? But REX's creating headlines and that's what they want absolutely factually. I have some issues with that. But that's okay. Don't worry about that. Have some fun and throw it out there all right. We'll get some poll question suggestions here. What are you leaning towards mclovin? By the way the masters would have been started. It would've started already today. And we'll talk to gymnast so Jim Nance was going to have the national title game. And then he was going to have the masters back-to-back biggest events that you can have and what. He's doing quarantined. Although I will say if I'm quarantine where Jim lives I'd be okay. I'm okay I would be fine with that. Mclovin poll question wise okay. We have a scorcher. But I'm going to ask you a question I do and you actually comment on. This do really believe Tom Brady when he says he doesn't care about. His legacy is a lot of people are skeptical. I think he knows it's firmly established. I don't think he can hurt it now. I don't know if he's ever cared about his legacy. I would say I doubt that when he won that Fourth Super Bowl. I have to believe he's thinking if I get to five now all of a sudden I've got more than my childhood idol. Joe Montana so do I think that that he had that yes now? The debate is over. So maybe he doesn't think about his legacy but when he won his fourth. I have to believe he's thinking if I win my fifth. I mean we're talking about that with you. Know Koby going after Jordan with Lebron going after Jordan I think they think of their legacies and I feel like Brady is the same as those guys. You get to that point where you know now you you. Can't you know I've ended the debate and I think that's what Tom did when he won his fifth. And if he is thinking about it he must be thinking. There's upside in Tampa Bay. If I get a ring in the next two years with Tampa Bay without my old coach with Bruce Arians then people when they say who was it who was the main communist he would go scoreboard all. It'll definitely change. The conversation would say but I hate using that word narrative it change the conversation where you go hey. Tom went to a super bowl with Tampa and is gonNA go back to the super bowl anytime soon. Who GOES TO A super bowl? I between those two this program brought to you by legalzoom. Legalzoom has made it easier to set up the right estate plan without leaving your home. Take care of your family today. The right of State Planet LEGALZOOM DOT COM. All right mclovin. What what. What other options? We all love this fall. We were debating appreciate you. Want me to say it. Now you're gonNA save it because I'm GonNa take a break and it's that hot I don. We'll come back with Ernie Johnson on loan from TNT. Your phone calls are welcome. And Jack Nicklaus coming up. The top next hour also talked to Jim Nance who will join US and Dr Myron. Rolle the former. Nfl defensive back take a break. Nineteen after the hour just getting started on this Thursday dan in the damaged. Patrick show all right mclovin. What are you going with okay? Would you rather be a doctor or professional athlete? This is off our upcoming guests. Dr Mayer Enroll former standout defensive back Florida state. Nfl Player. So would you rather your kid sorry? Be a doctor or a pro athlete. When I want my kid to be publicly I would say well doctor. Of course they give back to the community and they could change lives and save lives. But then there's part of me it'd be like probably an athlete because I have four kids and nobody's athletic. I'd I'd probably say you know what if there's second baseman for the Detroit Tigers for eleven years. I'll take that I'd be good with anyb- anybody else joining me with the athletes. Yes mclovin well second baseman for Detroit. Tire Day probably two hundred million baseball salaries crazy especially anyone up the middle of the field. Forget it I don't think it's even close like athletes are like today's Society's God's there's nothing that's even close and job out there. Anybody taking doctor. Yes I got to qualify this podiatrist versus the starter for the cubs. No no you're not a high profile athlete. I'm this my kids. The second Baseman for the Tigers Bears quarterback or a proctology bears quarterback. Actually I would want. They're both the same. Both your apple jobs Seton O'connor so do we just qualify it them by saying set. Take salary out of it. And everybody's making three hundred grand a year me. I think I got to include this hour. You did. Yeah Yeah Athlete. Yes todd. I'm going to go DR matches. I'd love to see my son and pro team and all that and I'll be excited to go to a stadium or arena watched There's just something about being able to say that your son or daughter is a doctor that would mean more to me than being good good or great athletes so that'd be just another doctor you wouldn't listen to no no that's not necessarily visit. Though it is necessary. I could be better. I could do better about that. That's always todd's response. Hey you working out. We could be better. I don't know who we is. You've got amounts in your pocket. I'll go on the treadmill before chicken parm here with Fritos at doesn't work. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch us. Live every weekday morning nine to noon eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox sports radio. Find your local station for the Dan. Patrick show at Fox sports radio DOT COM or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio APP by searching F. S are do you own or rent your home. 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Gay p. m. a. About as well as You can expect and I hope you're doing well to we're doing okay. Do you have a man cave at the home? I have an office. I don't really call it a man cave it's It is an office that has you know the TV and has my my work stuff in there and the memorabilia and that kind of thing. But I I just usually spend a lot of night. You know late nights in there when I'm doing research in that kind of thing homework and when everybody's asleep but Yeah it's not it's not a full blown man. Cave people can walk past it all the time. It's GONNA walk and grandkids can walk in dogs walking him so the key. It's my version do collect sports memorabilia. Not you know not intentionally really. It's Kinda crazy I I have a lot of stuff through the years and I don't know if you do the same thing but you know I'll I'll throw something in a box credential in a box you know through various things and and the other day or actually over the last few months My wife and I have kind of said you need. She said you need to get rid of some of this stuff. It's in the basement or and so we have a room. That's kind set aside now and I went through with the other day when I was amazed at some of the things that I kept. Then you know I was started in the radio back in the seventies and in nineteen seventy seven. I was working a Q. One Oh five radio and happens and I actually kept a desk. Calendar one of those the flip over pages and I in a balk at the bottom of a box. Was this desk calendar so I started looking through it and then I needed to call Bill Kratzer immediately because bill was a great Golfer at the University of Georgia. I would later work with him. Twenty five years later on the PGA championship but it was not for this December Day. Who's going to be Bill Kratzer University of Georgia Golf Course and I needed and it was. It was just very bizarre. Was kind of like you know what it's kind of a good thing that you hold on some of this stuff I would. I've been able to throw some away but I do have some things that kind of have some meaning you know after after years in your. I can't throw stuff away. I mean that's why I have the man cave. I moved into a big man cave or bigger man cave. Just because I have all of this stuff that I collected and I I knew one day it might come in handy and it has because I I. I have a chance to show at all often. I I don't WanNa do when I retire because this is a I have the best man. Cave anybody has. Oh sure I'm sure it's crazy you don't you don't you. Don't what's ridiculous is that I come to this. I had this dilemma. I'm standing in the middle of my basement and I'm trying to decide if I should throw away. This goodwill games T SHIRT FROM RUSSIA. That has a bunch of mysterious. You know like coffee stains and dirt on it and I'm saying well I can't really hang up I don't WanNa people do but I can't really throw it a wing either so it's a marriage back in the box and it's hidden from my wife's or why don't you film this. Ernie. Why don't you wanted to do a kind of a virtual tour of all the things that you might be throwing out? I thought about doing that. I've thought about going down into the because really I ha I now have like these two rooms have the office upstairs and I have this place in the basement downstairs room that we finished where I have hung a few things You know and got CAL Ripken Jersey down there. And I've got a few other things in hats from various events and memos that were. I've had I have memos from Turner in the eighties. You know that I've that I've held onto and There's just part of me says don't let go of that And so yeah it would kind of be it would kind of be a fun virtual tour like these days. We're all looking for fun. Virtual things to do what we absolutely Ernie Johnson Turner sports host and host of inside the NBA. What do you miss most about shack? his laugh probably in the in the joy he gets out of From one of the work and trying to do something that gets two billion new to this I think I think that's probably but you know I kind of miss them often same reason. I miss him and Kenny. And Charles offer that same reason that we just have this kind of this. I can't describe the bond we have but I told people that I grew up with two older sisters. And this is just goes. I'll ever come to having brothers and I just miss hanging away. The man you know. It's like You just miss the little things about being together and doing and doing the show and you miss live. You know the two fifteen comments about you know from Kenny. You know threatening the producer sent. We'd better hurry up these last few segments. I gotTA GET. Outta here fifteen in the morning and all that stuff. If I would've told you a month ago this is where we would be with the NBA. What would you have said I think I would`ve. I would've believed that at that point. I mean 'cause it really has been you know it's been a month That night that that the window games for the first time in the night after the the suspension and we had Adam silver on the show and just the vibe that we got from him in talking to him Was You know. Hey this is this is a great unknown and we just kind of have to wait and so I never thought at that point that. Hey maybe in a couple of weeks things it'd be back to normal But then when I spoke to in earlier this week again we had a we had this initiative called Hashtag. Nba Together In which we You know we just kind of catch up to people around the NBA might spend fifteen twenty my spend a half hour with them on the phone and and I asked him that same thing. I said that you know any more than we knew when we spoke a month ago. And he's like not really. I know enough to say that I that. We're not gonNA have any kind of a decision in April about where we're going and So yeah it's I just I just hope. We're all coping the right way and you know. What can I be totally honest with you? I've been okay I I've been inconvenienced. I can say that book There are people out there who really really struggling. During this time we've been inconvenienced by schedule is still able to work from my house. You know to do these interviews to do like a virtual journalism school food for college kids and and and you know we're doing okay. But man my heart goes out to those folks who were who were hoping that you know of. GonNa later shows up and face masks. Show up Man It's this is. This is very hard. I was watching. I watched that'd be contagion the other night I myself. I wasn't going to do it. The neighbor said you should watch it. And it's amazing. How this two thousand eleven movie mirrors. Wh what we're looking at now with respect you can go see Ernie interviewing some of the biggest names in the NBA on episodes of Hashtag NBA together Mondays and Wednesdays visit at NBA handle and social media co host of the steam room. Podcast with Charles. Barkley also Ernie has his journalism school. And you can find out more at Turner Sports. Ej thought about you yesterday. We had hank Aaron on and you know the anniversary of him breaking babe. Ruth's record and he he was one of my just one of my favorite people. He's eighty six years of age and and I thought of your father to you know longtime broadcaster for the braves and then I thought Craig Sager figures on the damn field at home plate with a white trench coat. And I'm going only Sager could do it and I think he has his a little portable radio microphone that he's holding up as it still so sue surrealistic where two guys run on the field. Hank is trying to keep is dignity rounding third heading for home. And there's Craig Sager chasing him to home plate ripple same hair insistent segler went wire-to-wire with that he went wire-to-wire. Yeah you'd never you'd never change and that it was and it is amazing to consider that because when you think about these days and and and obviously how tight security is. A guy could run out with that trench coat with a radio shack tape recorder no visible credential and that haircut and speak with Hank Aaron as he touches. Place is absolutely stunning. Did they did the hammer remember right in that. In that scene at the plate he said one of the guys who came onto the field became a doctor. He remembered his holding on tightly. I didn't bring up Sager but I'm sure hank probably wondering I got all my teammates out here my mom and some dude in a bad haircut in a trenchcoat exactly right but I think I think Craig actually did get like usable couple of seconds out of that from from hearing the playback later. 'cause you hear his question unreal and then you hear like you know people you know kind of going crazy around him but that was eggs you know. That was the guy who's like if there was a big event anywhere he wanted to be there even if we weren't covering it and back then he was a radio guy in Florida somewhere. Yeah would go who who had gone up there too. I'M GONNA cover this game but who knew that? This is designs where it's actually you know. Read Henry twice. It was it was bad as one of the that was one of the classic. It's almost like if you were watching a movie where a guy was dreaming about. He wishes he wished he had been at at the ballpark. When Henry or at seven fifteen and then he envisioned himself as this but real life deal for Sake Mad I. It's again I shake my head and it just brings a smile on my face. 'cause that's the way that's the way things went after it man. You know you didn't have to be an assignment. Like for tour for him to be a big event. Oh he just loved it he he truly loved going to those events. I'll leave you with this. At what where? Do you think we're going to get to where we're at the point of no return with trying to squeeze in playoffs here with this season. You gotTa feel for that. I don't know I tried to. I tried to get that try to get you know really kind of any kind of a timeline from the commissioner the other day and it would probably be it'd be it'd be all speculation so I can. I don't either but I'm looking at it and I'm saying you know. Where do you know if you come back if you come back in In June and I don't know I mean. Can you finish the regular season? That's why there are so many variables. Can you finish the regular season and give a team like the Portland Trailblazers? That's number nine right now. A chance to move up to eight over fifteen games. I don't think you know and then you're saying how is this going to impact next season? You know then. Then how do you want so I'm not so I'm not trying to dodge about Amtrak? The dodgers 'cause I don't WanNa put something out there that Sunday people are saying. Oh I think he thinks it's going to start in June. I have no idea and I have been. I and I told the commissioner the other day I said look if you know. I've heard all these things about going to Vegas and having a tournament and all this stuff and quarantine into teams and I just said unless we can be absolutely certain and and every medical official has signed off on this instead. It's not GonNa be a you know a danger to anybody's help you. Better be sure because as long as there is the possibility there are worse things in the world and then not being able to crown a champion in the NBA. This year. You know Yeah I just think for the greater good. You've got to consider all that so I hope we'll back playing but man. There's there's a lot more. There's a lot more stuff to consider these days. It's that a lot heavier than that. The families great always great to talk to you. Thank you and Hopefully talk soon and have some basketball to talk about. Yeah we're doing well here. Hope you guys are too and We'll get through this and we'll we'll talk again and I'll maybe I'll give you a virtual tour of that room like I can't wait thank you. That's Ernie John talked. Tnt WE'LL take a break. Got Our play of the day coming up. Jack Nicklaus at the top of the hour and also check in with Jim Nance who will join us in the final hour of the program back after this. Thanks for listening to the Dan. Patrick Show podcast be sure to catch. 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The fear like what is going to scare you. More the fear of taking him or the fear of passing on him. I understand if Miami takes him. And you don't play in this first year but if you're trading up to get too that's when the fear really sets in if you say I gotta go up two spots. If he's there at five okay but if I now have to go up to three and I have to give up a number one to the lions to go to three to ensure I get him because it feel I think. The chargers would be interested in him and the dolphins are saying they might be interested in Justin. Herbert okay. Is there a mystery team that might WANNA go up and get him and I know it sounds crazy because they have Derek Carr and they have Marcus Mariota but I do wonder about to a as a raider I? They have draft picks I. I don't know because nobody is going to show you their cards. I mean you're crazy to tell anybody the truth nowadays and that's why I keep thinking all right. Were eventually going to get the truth. It'll start to leak out maybe two days before the draft. When you start to get some real information here but can't imagine that if the Miami Dolphins have to move up and and offer up a number one pick to the Lions. I don't know that's when the fear starts to set in fear of taking him not passing John McLaughlin. We're going to break the Internet. Just based on that statement raiders to a question mark That's very very interesting. Somebody offense somebody is going to be interested in one of these quarterbacks they are it it happens every year it and I don't know there's always a mystery team where you go. I didn't know that they were interested in him. What are you willing to give up to go up and getting? Is Somebody going to wait for Jordan love to fall into their lap? Like if you if the dolphins could wait for Jordan love to develop. That might make more sense. If you really like him you have Ryan Fitzpatrick. At least for your Jordan. 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Wild-Card Games Recap, Tom Bradys Future, Vikings Stun Saints

The GM Shuffle

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Wild-Card Games Recap, Tom Bradys Future, Vikings Stun Saints

"There's nothing better I tell you the wild card weekend the NFL. It's Adnan virk Mike Lombardi and we're fired up for this playoff addition now when it comes to football and of course Mike we go into the playoffs. Feeling like we have an idea. A which teams are going to win instead. There was opposites all over the place and nothing bigger than the fact the New England England patriots. Lose at Foxboro we knew Derrick. Henry is a great player. We'll get tim in a second hundred. Eighty two yards rushing leader. Tom Brady and the Patriots offense all year was was suspect and once again in the biggest game of the year did not turn out. Well Brady Twentieth thirty seven for two hundred nine yards and an interception ends the game. Although it should be noted New England in that much chance left before we get to retirement all the rest of it Mike. Let's analyze the Patriot's performance as their offense completely haunted them. We're you surprised. At how bad New England's offense offense looked you know. I was really surprised. I thought as I said on the Friday pot I thought they would move the ball. I'm not in love with Tennessee's defense especially I think their corners are suspect. I was really surprised. I think the one thing I think that's obvious COMPLA- off time is whatever warts you have as a football team. Whatever your inabilities are as the football team door over the course of seventeen weeks? You can't run away from them in the playoffs like the coaching is always at a higher level. The playing at a higher level every the stakes sir at a higher level and your problems creep up and magnify and I think in this game particularly the the Patriots inability to make any explosive plays shown up like they couldn't make make an explosive play. Everything had to be blocked correctly had to be run perfectly. Everything had to throw how to be perfectly placed and you know and when that happens can you hold a team to fourteen points. I mean look I think Derrick Henry was sensational proves the point that if you WANNA go in and run the ball and let a running back win a playoff game. It's probably not going to happen but in this game it did because the Patriots had no ability to score. I mean they just couldn't make an explosive play. They couldn't make a twenty yard play ever and I think that's happened all season long and it showed up. This was not. I think the way you have to look at this. This was a design problem. Not a production problem. The design of the the Patriots offense going back to the off season was wrong and it showed up and the production ended up killing the team. And you go through moments Mike. I went back obviously watching watch the game live. DVR and I just. I still can't get that Eshelman drop out of my mind. I know it's hard to fix one play but there was enough time there. Is You know there was three and a half laptop. Okay close game. Obviously if Brady drives him down the field critical drop I mean. I'm not folksy. I want plan pointing out that when people are gonNA say. Tom Brady needs more help. That's what they're talking about. You GotTa have have a guy make a play there. Yeah I think when when Brady threw the ball if you go through the numbers when Brady threw the ball to James White. He threw the ball element any through the ball of birkhead or the AX. I mean they were really good when he threw the ball Harry when he threw the ball to sue and he threw the ball. Anybody Dorset I think there were like four for seventeen in the game. They just didn't make place for them. I mean the other guys didn't make plays and this has been going on for a long time and you can watch brady. And so he looks older. You know but his arm strength didn't look bad. I mean there's just not a lot of asymmetry within the offense and I think it starts with the fact that they had no tight end so you had no tight end that can really block. You got no fullback. So they're not really a tough team last year. They were tough off team now. They're not a tough team. They weren't really tough and they couldn't really knock anybody off the ball and so they're not tough they're not physical and they don't have enough skill. I think the Patriots Detroit from the first preseason game were slow of said that before I'll say it again. They had no explosiveness on offense and it showed up against Tennessee. which was begging for you to deal with their problems and they could hide their problems because the Patriots couldn't exploit them and I thought they could've? Here's WanNa talk to but within the game here and I really want to focus on this moment because you watch gave gave everyone goes. That's what Belichick do Mike rebels. Clearly trying to kill as much time as possible and takes that delay of game penalty and bills got the hoodie on. It looks like darth ballot. Check checking he's furious fable smart. He's killing the quad. Takes a delay game penalty there. He'll take another delegate to the New England of false start it was just fascinating watching the game within in the Game Rabo a former Patriot almost a mentor student. Type situation there you know and and there it is right so people say well. The running game really was the reason why Tennessee one look. Henry was fabulous right. They scored fourteen points. Forget the last play the game. They scored fourteen points and the time of possession with that minute thirty that he gained during that time of possession favored the titans like thirty one to twenty eight so that that one thirty really balanced it out right. If it wasn't for that one thirty the way delayed it the time of possession would have been even. I mean what. The running game of Tennessee allowed them to do is control the game because I thought during that game the Patriots never got control the game. They never got control. They could never stops henry from getting five yards. They could never stop them. And Look if you WANNA blame anything if you want to say. Why did the Titans win third and four pressure? The A quarterback can't get ten hill on the ground throws a pass out the lowest I down third and ten you play cover five to demand under and the guy runs an out route. Tannehill throws rose the ball perfectly on the outside. I Down Terrence Brooks can't make the play you WanNa look at any reason why you like those are the plays you lost. Everybody focuses on other things. You're supposed to be a top-flight defense. You can't get off the field on those two downs. You deserve the lose. They just didn't play well in any area and I think that the titans deserve credit for what they did. They didn't try to come in and throw throw the ball figuring that that could create turnovers. They came in and said look. If we don't beat ourselves here and I thought the line of the day was when verbal said to the girl I don't know who interviewed him before the game. I'm not sure I I'm drunk from announcers I mean. I wish I could mute. But Millie won't let me mute all the time it's like can we have a little sound all right so we put that sounds but you know he said to the girl he said we can't fear the pinstripe and I thought that was a real revealing line. What he was trying to tell his team all week was yet yeah? They may be the Patriots in their uniforms. But these ain't the Patriots of the past like there ain't gronk over there brady ain't Brady. There's no other receiver were worried about like. There's nothing nothing over there that were scared of. So let's just stop fearing the name and let's just deal with what we're dealing with it. I thought that was revealing. And that's how they played the game. They were scared at all. All of ever given up a plate of New England. It's like when Tyson loss to buster Douglas. Right just never was the same after that you go gay with no fear now the intimidations gone. It's like once Tiger Egger got beat why Gang Olsen can beat him now. It's different so that's where you're right once that mystique goes there's so much. A sports is a mental game and once that's gone it becomes a different story now moving forward before we get to Brady and his future. Tannehill did not have great game and a credit to Mike. Fable that running game but Mike. I really don't think the titans can beat the Ravens next week. You know I don't either. I think it's the story book is GonNa come to ending and I think Don Martindale the defensive coordinator of the Ravens will do a lot of different blitzes on. I think it'll be a challenging weather day and I do think the Ravens are set up with the speed of their offense with the speed of their offense to attack this titans team and look we saw the saints. Go into the Tennessee and win a game. Thirty eight twenty. We know the saints are prolific offensively. And we know the titans can make some big plays down the field but I mean tannehill through fifteen times and he walks out of patriot. Place he walks at Gillette stadium the first time winner. He's one six Eddie. Through it fifteen times I think the game plan was real simple by variable. They're not the same team. We don't respect WE'RE GONNA stuck tongue out to them. We're going to punch him in the mouth because they can't punch us back. That's GONNA be a different story in Baltimore. I agree all right now. We get to Brady a he said via Mike CRESA ESPN. I would say it's pretty unlikely when he was asked about retirement at an added hopefully unlikely contract the Patriots is done. He's forty two years of age. It sounds like he does not want to retire. Everybody knows he's the same guy. Once was Mike but everyone also knows his weapons. Were not particularly strong. This season New England as you mentioned should add a a better tight end should replace gronk better needed more weapons etc etc some talk. Here's some numbers. Two years fifty million some conjecture I said Jay Glazer. Brady's Nakayama hometown discount. This time. This is his final contracts. Maybe he doesn't take a short term deal does he. Follow Josh mcdaniels wherever mcdaniels goes. What's your vibe on a brady? Returning period did and be returning to New England. Well I mean I think Glazer reported right. I don't think there's any going to be any hometown discount. I think this is going to come down to the three people four people. Jonathan Jonathan Kraft Robert Kraft Bill and Brady getting in a room together and saying where we had it here. I mean what are we want to do and if Brady says hey I I should get paid two years at Eighty million that. I think they have to make a decision and I think they have to decide where we go. Is this the right thing to do. Because I think Brady's entitled to not take a home down discount yeah I mean look. Let's face it you know. No one talks about this but the value of the franchise has gone up exponentially. I mean there's like you know whatever crat what at craft paid one sixty four. It's worth five billion today. You know there's value in what Tom is brought to the table. There's tremendous value what bill brought to the table at some point. Can you feel like that. When do I get that value back? Where do I get it back out and you could say well? He doesn't own the team but he wasn't there was about would the value be the same. It's it's a complicated issue. I don't think it's an easy issue to solve. And I think that it's going to require understanding on both sides and I think the market I do think there is going to be a market addict. There will be a think you'd be naive to believe that TOM is out there with no market twelve set. I think he will consider his options. I think there's going to be one. I think there's going to be market and I think once they know what the market is and like anything in free trade. You could come back and say look you know. The the raiders. Want me to play for for two years. They're going to guarantee me. Eighty million the chargers said they'll do three years at ninety million and guarantee all of it but figured I'm only going to play two more years. Whatever I don't I don't know how I'm just making these numbers up? Then I think you come back in a room and say okay. Where does it fit for the franchise you know? It may be ten million too rich for us to do this year but for all that he's done maybe we should. You know I mean. There's a lot of variables and then what does the team looked like like like will brady come back to New England if the team doesn't look different or doesn't have different kinds of elements to it. And you know. I think there's too many variables for anybody to sit there and predict accurately today. You know you can predict Jason Garrett was getting fired virus. That's easy this one ain't easy I will say I think he comes back for sure but I'm with you. I do not believe necessarily he goes to New England. We knew it to see on that but I do think he plays more football vital thing. He wants that to be his performance in a football field right. I agree with that and I agree with Tom. Based on what I just said about the front. I don't think he should have to take. He's been taking discounts for year. You know he has been a discount. Double Check Guy for years you know. And if he's finally in an open market and this is what he wanted to do. This isn't something that was forced upon him. He chose to to walk Outta was contract because I think he wants to be an open market and he wants to hear what people have to say and in this world. Because I love Tom he should have every right to do that. And then I love bill and then bill can can come together and try to find some resolution. Whatever it is? What's best for each party? I think is what should happen. I agree we'll be talking plenty about it here. GM Shuffle. Of course it's GonNa be fascinating subplot more football conversation I. I still don't think Mikey was a great game. He was a wildly entertaining game to the taxes and the bills but I thought it was sloppy having said that it was riveting. It's like watching a bad movie. You know listen you can see the boom like similar dialogue cheesy but it's a riveting movie. I can't stop watching it. And that's why I felt like watching Houston Buffalo sloppiness all over the place me Josh Allen for God's Sakes he's running the boy looks good. What the Hell's that stupid lateral? He's taken away twenty critical sacks the fact that was able to escape on that unbelievable play. This game was just bananas but the bottom line is this. Let's start with Watson and the fact that he had a tough start but the fact he was able to emerge victorious. Despite the fact he was sacked seven times James tour forty seven yards passing ran for fifty five yards and a play. There will be talked about for years in Houston when he avoid that sack and was able to make that big play Della. `Field Yeah Yeah. I mean look at Josh Allen in the first half of this game I didn't know who the hell he was right. He was accurate. He ran the ball. I thought Brian Cabell did a great job or calling a game. He he had a lot of stuff on third down. That helped them out any made the game. Easy for Josh Down in Josh Allen made some really good throws I mean that first. Half if you're a bills fan that first half gives you a sense that we can build something and to your point about table. The trick play out of the gate was great. That whole first drive was great. It was perfect right so but I think if you're a bills fan the second can have has to worry it because he did some dumb things I mean he did. The lateral was the dumbest of all but one of the dumb things that kind of got swept under the carpet. Is he actually throwing the ball down the field to his fullback. whose double covered like anything's two guys GONNA make play? It's like I remember being a practice. One time I forget who the player was but we went to Indiana's basketball practice and they were working on a fast break drill and the guide bring the ball up the court. Read a bounce pass for this big guy and of course it went off his hands and went Out of bounds. And and I'm thinking Oh shit night's GonNa rip this Kid's ass like you can't believe no you know what night that night. Rip The guy who distributed the ball like you dumb shit you got to know. He can't catch that ball right right like you gotta know. That's part of being a great player. You gotta be aware of your players around you. You see a fullback down. There who's got a vertical jump about six inches. You can't throw it into double coverage right like you gotTa know this right that that's one of the Russell Wilson's greatest strengths. He knows his players around him. You know he knows what they can and can't do. That's what great reporters do. And I think that that's just an indication of Josh Allen and then like I think in every quarterbacks meeting room there has to be aboard where we can't take a sack right like you walk in there and everyday every day subliminal you look at the board and you say we have the ball on the opponent's thirty. We cannot take a SEC. We've got to get rid of all somehow someway. We're getting rid of ball. Who to call three Steph? Whatever it is this we're not gonNA take a sack at midfield? We're not gonNA take a sack. We'll take a sack if we're inside the five no problem. We'll take a sack. We're inside the ten no problem hold the ball get sack. We'll still make the field goal but we're not taking a sack at our own twenty and we get it back to our own tool. We can't take on there because we'RE GONNA lose field position. So and Josh Allen doesn't even know this is though I mean. Have you ever seen a play. Third and twenty seven becomes fourth. I mean it was like the most bizarre. I thought I was drunk. I thought I was seasick watching that game. I saw people tween that seeing. This games aims drunk. 'CAUSE you're right. It was just so bizarre and just maddening and for the Bills Having won a playoff game and twenty four years up there deepens playing inspired you know gap APP integrity and good tackling put relentless pressure on Watson. Look I mean seven sacks they stepped it up and then you're right this. Your quarterback importing like that having said that my they blew the lead then came back to get that field goals maybe he can pull this off and overtime and that it falls apart. Here's my question to you is Buffalo. Because I'm with you. There's there's concerns about Alan. I watched that game but if you're Buffalo USA. Hey Man we. We built on some things here the Patriots if Brady loses this is going to be the changing of the guard or you say hey you know what. We did not close well to end the season and Josh L.. Needs some work before we think we're going to be the beast of the East in the AFC. I would say this I would say buffalo will be the favourite it next year to win the east. I think they'll have the higher win percentage. I would say that right now. I think Vegas will post Buffalo's win number over total at over eight and a half. I think you'll get a lot OUGHTA action on that. I think the Patriots whatever happens. They'll be a transitionary state though lower their win total and we'll see where it goes. I think it's funny. Somebody tweeted to me. He said you know nobody. Nobody gives them shit for not drafting. Lamar Jackson which to me is is as big as crime. If you're taking Josh Allen not accurate better runner than thrower. The Best of that group was by far the Jackson Right. He was the best of the I mean. He's a great runner fast athletic and he maybe not been the most accurate. But if you're going to give back or see you know to me. That's the one I think brandon. Bean up in buffalo is going to be kicking himself in the ASS. And you know what I. We all love Josh Allen. The this franchise would have been different. The Mar- Jackson's playing quarterback force while I also enjoyed your tweet when you so. How does Ryan Pace Sleep at night? I don't know how he sleeps. I got on like I don't know I think next week. Ryan Pace should do the coin. Toss at the chiefs Texans game. I don't think it's only fair we'd be only fitting could add these guys by believed in. MVP Mitch it. It could be the only way it could really be a good game. I mean Ryan comes out and basically has benefited both franchises for his blunder in. He's the reason why they're in the divisional championship around because get up. That's all I kept thinking about like I know I keep beating a dead horse but like Shawn Watson you know he looks ugly. He does some things that you don't like but God damn when the Games online online you like this guy right. Put the Shawn Watson on the bears team. Yeah if only right one more thought free. Close the book on this game. The we'll talk with the. NFC What did you think. Jj Watt. Listen I think he's a hell of a player and the fact he came back. We all know he's hurt. There's no ways hundred percent pretty inspired performance. It was great. It was unbelievable. I mean but you know I mean does. ESPN just get carried away away with a narrative. Well that's that's a there's always going to say Russillo. You still always be listened the thing I get annoyed by. It's a little bit nauseating the way they're just in love with. Jj Watt all the time. I'm an think he walks on water and I said listen. He's a good dude. He's raised for charity because it listen I get that. But it's a little overdone. It and I think he kind of revels in it a little too much. That was always Brian Stick. It was a little overdone on Saturday. Oh my God you know. He doesn't get blocked and all he's turn this game around with a sack. I mean Jesus Christ look I admire everything he did. I think he's a great player. I don't know I I think. ESPN just I mean. And sometimes I feel bad for those guys in the crew. I love test now is called got pressure like did Joe really want. That'd be a coach at one point in his life because he loves shallow. Cross a gap pressure but I think they changed the narrative during the course of the game. You know and I hate when the announcer announcer start talking as if the player were saying something well this young man saying right here with this like he's not saying anything he's playing a game like seriously talk form he he's he's saying by his play today that he should have been drafted higher. Don't know he's just trying to block the guy that's it he's not it. Just tell me what's going on. Tell me what's happening here. You know like tell me why Houston and can't get off the field. I mean Look Josh Allen I mean whatever you think of I mean the guy could have thrown four interceptions. Who want to go back? The House. That game shouldn't have gone even overtime. robie drops at other interception out there right by their badge. So yeah I mean I think. ESPN discos over. I don't know what they want their narrative to be like. I don't know what they really want want to be. You know like the only way these games can improve is is to really like I don't want to be XS and coaching clinics. But like just tell us what's going on the field. Tell us why they're in nickel. Why they're in base and like let's not get carried away with one guy story like Jacob Martin Art and you thought he was dead out there and he he makes a few pressure plays on Josh Allen and we don't even know his name well said stay tuned after the Break Mike and I look at both? NFC wild card games going kirk cousins like that. The Vikings huge option against the saints and Wentz Less Eagles team could not overcome the seahawks. That's coming up next. You know how you WanNa have your favorite athletes. Elevate their play when the game is on the line. Line will mattress firm. 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He finally steps up in a big game as this latest disappointment comes in New Orleans and yet some are going to say Mike now the saints got screwed by the reps again in this time replacing video showing possible push off Baikal Rudolph Against Defensive Back. PG Williams moments before the big play to which I say listen. This isn't nearly as far as what happened. The past you had a chance to win the regular in the regular game in regulation so you know what I like that one play determines the game either score anyways because of what a huge pass. It was cousins to the'll your thoughts. I couldn't agree more. I like look you can nitpick you can call about it. I mean you can do all you want and say it like for me. That wasn't going to be the difference in the game. I mean seriously I I know it was a bad call but I didn't think it was agreed and I think the fact that drew brees turned the ball over. When you're going into score for the fact that you you couldn't stop them in the red zone? There were three for four in the red zone the saints gave up one hundred thirty six yards rushing. I mean the fact that you've got the game to overtime to wear it is you're fortunate but again no one play causes you to lose the game you could focus on it and you can have that narrative within your head all the time but the reality of it is is Minnesota was the better team they won the game pretty a pure and simple Minnesota came out there. They knew they were going to win the game. that a sense of it. They never talked about it on the air but the reason they were going with so many snap counts. They were going fast they they didn't WanNA get false starts. They didn't want to stay in their stances very law and they wanted to get off on the ball because of the crowd noise and man they got off on the ball and they played fast. They didn't try to be in the perfect play all the time time. They came off the ball and look. Let's face it. I mean the saints had opportunities in the game. They couldn't close it down. They get stopped in the get the turnover early in the game. Three points again. Red Zone mistakes you know. I think tae some hill is a fabulous player. I think he's a fabulous player. I don't think drew brees played to the best level of his day today at all. No and that's that's what I was about to say breeze. Everyone's time when Brady looked vulnerable or not as bracelet. That way as well just didn't have arm strength wasn't right in decision making here and I I love drew brees might. He looked old out there today. He did and I think that you know I mean we kid about tastes. Them Hill is a hard guy for the defense to figure out. And here's why when he comes on the field the defense wants to know there's only two formations in football right. There is only two no matter. What's in the game? There's really can only be two formations can only be three by one. Three receivers to one side one to the other or two receivers to both sides now who they are is a completely legally different story right. It's a completely and that's where taste some hill gains an advantage by who you are so he comes into the game and the defense and says what are we declare a mass. Is he a quarterback. is she a running back. Is he a receiver okay. So if I declare him as a running back does that mean linebacker covers them all the time if we go man to man and he's in the game if I declare him as a receiver does that mean the corner takes them and then that what corner takes him if they got three other the receivers on the field. Am I going to go to dime. When he's on the field you see all these problems start to mount up and keep coming up and coming up and coming up and then he can throw the ball so he plays quarterback right so the touchdown pass? I mean you know. They did a great job. They did for four verticals. And I don't think that Harrison Smith knew exactly what they were treating him as right. Do I carry back. Do I not carry the back of Visa Receiver Karen but I don't carry the it gets into all that kind of situations and I think Sean does. A great job would taste smell. I think tastes smells really good. I mean I never seen a tougher kid in my life. I mean here's a place for years at Byu and gets hurt all the time. And yet he goes and covers kick scores touchdown blocks his ass off and does everything I mean. He's a hard guy to match up to the more they use them. It's difficult but at the end of the day. I don't think the Saints Defense Played Very. Well they're run. Defense was poor today. They really couldn't cover. And and who cousins made a throw. I think what choice said it was the throw to bury all the past. I don't know if that's GONNA burn because next week. If he goes out to San Francisco and sucks off. It won't but I think the reality of it is is is I think he proved that it wasn't him. I like the on the pot on Friday. I like the Vikings and the points. I didn't think they could win the game I liked him. It was a good matchup for Minnesota. Yeah I remember. Are you saying it was going to be a close game. And I'm with you that it. It simmers the criticism. I don't think it stifles it entirely but yeah it simmers it a little bit. You mentioned the vikings run deepens. delvin Cook hundred thirty yards from scrimmage score two touchdowns missing the last two regular season games with a shoulder injury. She was absolutely vital. One thought creeped up. People always tweet nece- sixties the PATS Fan. He was impressed by taste mill. He was wondering kit. And this may be off but can the Patriots utilized Jillian Eshelman next year wildcat quarterback Cetera different ways. He's the way that tastes him. Hill was utilized by New Orleans. Or is that just an isolated incident being able to do that element couldn't survive the contact. I mean this kid takes hits me in. This kid bounces right back up. I mean element was never an l four l five on kickoff coverage team I mean. That's you gotta be a man to be an l five on kickoff coverage team. You're going down there. You're getting your ass kicked the guy that's what he is. He's a personal protector on the punt team. So tibo could have been this guy right. Could Tim tebow been this guy. Yeah in fact they said today that ten th this would have been the perfect job the Tibo Kibo. Obviously Mr. You know. I'M A quarterback although I won't practice like you know I I can't do it. You know yes sure and and it to me if you have the Shawn Watson. It's the perfect guide to put what I wrote this in my book. You put two of these guys on the field. You put the Shawn Watson on the field with somebody else who's got the ability to take some hits that complain the kicking game that can play running back and receiver. You know like Joe Webb used to do it for Houston a little bit. But he's not quite as good but I mean yeah if you could find the sky and they're out there they're out there now all of a sudden again we get back into the same problem. What is he running? Back is your receiver. What are we treat them? That's the first thing everybody says. What are we treating? Ms In eleven personnel. We're going to treat them as a running back when he's in the game and they're in twelve personnel. We're GONNA treat them as a receiver when he's in. And then once once Sean starts to figure out what you're treating them out based on personnel that he reverses what he does with them and it's the versatility of the Guy Logan Thomas who's now a tight end on on Detroit's team. He was an all state tight. End went to quarterback went to Virginia Tech. I wanted to move him too tight end when he came out in the draft is we actually. I was at the Patriots. We sat in the room room. Said Kid I think the best place for you to play tight end and you know he wasn't ready to play tight at at that point. He bounced around three teams and now he plays tied in. But I mean. I think that there's guys like that out there that that you got that. Make your team with a creative coach. Sean Payton while well. That's what it's about saying. Look at New Orleans. In New England maybe people are put some dirt on them but great coaches option belcher compete and but listen. Is this window closing perhaps or will in jail. I think like you said defense. Didn't step up and breezed look good so maybe there will be some changes. As far as New Orleans is concerned. Yeah like if you're New Orleans right breezes and coming back at twenty five Mil Year a recent comeback last year. They almost said no no no right right like two years ago when he did this deal. They're almost like no they. Were getting pissed like it was taken forever to make a deal like res might say. Hey if jared Goff's it's getting thirty five I gotTa have one for forty. Yeah right I mean like and I think that you know today was a little bit of a you know. Look we can talk about all these zolder quarterbacks but two of them lost in the car around and it wasn't their fault but they lost a walker route and Josh McCowan came off the bench and played his ass off. We'll talk about in a second. But what they lost in the wildcard round. No country for old men. That could be the story when it comes to the quarterbacks the NFL wild card weekend. Lastly The Philadelphia Eagles. It was such a great week in football. Mike I thought we KINDA got cheated. You did with this one because we didn't get to watch healthy Carson wentz very early on Gw uncloudy knocks him out of the game and so the eagles. Listen hats off to Jim Schwartz. and that Defense Fletcher. Fletcher Fletcher Cox Look possessively. Every time I was like how could you only have a single coverage of this guy. He was making life miserable for Russell. Wilson and that affront to the eagles they literally were keeping Philadelphian this game offensively. They couldn't do anything. Obviously with Josh mccown God love and forty years old. He ran for that one. I doubt I said my God. What inspiring inspiring story? This is but obviously they couldn't enough but how about the Eagles Front. They did keep filled in this. When you might have thought it'd be a lot more one sided? Yeah I did you know and I mean look you know. The seahawks are funny team because they give yards right so even mccown threw the ball from twenty to twenty. They got that but they couldn't get in the end zone they couldn't make any plays they couldn't make a play. Hey you know and I thought when it was seventeen to six and they're driving down there now I know all the analytics people say you know it was seventeen nine with like nine minutes to go in the game or something like that and they went for it on fourth and four. Yes I think I would have kicked a field goal. There I read. It was about six minutes left and they showed the graph if they say well. Eagles are four four the report. That was doug. Peterson loves it. On fourth down and the point the college was making was. It's so rare fulfill to be in this territory ticket bands now. Why would you kick the field goal Mike because if now it's seventeen to twelve and if I hold them which I think I can do that? I think I can play good enough to hold them. I get the ball back. I win the game if I don't get it. The Best I'm going to do is tie the game and and I gotTa get a two point conversion if I make this kick and I get the ball back again because I think I could stop them. I mean look. I didn't stop him at the end of the game proved me wrong. I mean they throw the deep route to decay. McAfee mix a great play on the double move. But I'm going to stop them. I in fact I did. Stop them even. After the fourth and four I stopped him. I got the ball back and they had one of the shittiest drives of all they went they went three and out in a hurry. And that's when I got the last drive down there to go down the field so I would've kicked a field goal there. I think I think to me this going for the points you you know but if I can't win the game by going for points what am I going for the points for. Yeah right like why. Don't I take the points and give myself a chance to win the game because I still need a two point conversion like there's no guarantee if I if I get it right and I score and now the score is seventeen to fifteen and I got tied up right but if I don't tie it up I'll get the ball back. Maybe I can win by a point but if I get twelve and the ball back I score it. Look it's fourth and four. I get it. They had a nice play called Sanders. Sanders didn't catch. It needed. Run it I mean you can go back and forth on this argument all you want. I would've taken a points especially with Josh McCowan. Knowing that he didn't really have a lot of it's GonNa be hard for for him. To execute a fourth of four look phillies going to talk about Carson Wentz his inability to stay healthy for the next nine months. That's where we're GONNA hear. Yeah just to finish the point that fourth and four. You're right about sanders because I said he's GonNa make that catch and people tweeted me going. Well it wasn't a good throwback no I get that would you can't expect charge McGowan to make the right place other guys to step up. That's the whole point of that situation. I thought miles should have made that. But you're right. The focus here is going to be a wins. The fact it's his first career playoff start. He lasted two series before he exited with the head injury. Listen Macau is the oldest quarterback to make his debut. God Love Him. But you're right. The talk is going to be about went as great as he was. They were five and seven F. That lost the dolphins won four straight. But he you couldn't stay healthy and ultimately that cost them. I WanNa talk with decay metcalf colleges in the broadcast. He would have draft him seventh overall. Instead he went late in the second round around seven catches for one sixty. I remember you and I very early on the shuffle talking about him the combine and people were losing their minds about him. He was spectacular for Russell Wilson today but look the guy and I've I've made this really. He's a limited route run guy and I think they've done a great job with them of developing his route but he wasn't a polished receiver coming out and his speed wasn't and always on the tape. Look at his numbers at Mississippi. You know defending scouts and defending people and he really is a one route guy. Now he's explosive and he's better than I. I thought he was going to be but I think to me you know. Chris liked them and obviously saw something at the position but is route tree was limited and because of his row tree been limited ended. I think he got slid down a little bit like I don't think he could. New England couldn't have drafted him because he couldn't do all th