2 Episode results for "Mike Hourigan"
Legend of Zelda Ocarnia of Time - GMMF 105
"Episode one hundred five of game. My mom found. I m mike hourigan. And who's losing their childhood with me tonight like kukirya hughes every time. I always say something clever even playing ahead but it doesn't ever happens. I thought you were say. Hey listen so. I didn't want to use it. No we are here to talk. Well one we are here to celebrate two year anniversary that the show has been going on and we are and we are here to talk about since two years and i we should talk about a very special game so gonna be talking about the legend of zelda carina of time to hold up an our can't find one thousand nine hundred ninety okay and it's been a long time. We'll talk about that. I i don't know if. I play this game ninety eight but i know i've prided ninety nine. I've waited a lot. That's for sure. The three d. s. version came out in two thousand eleven. Even that feels like so long ago. Honestly the three a better game. That's what i plan the tiny. I never played through the aspiration. I will always be intendo sixty four loyalists Wrong with it. I played the game version of the sixty four. Just because sixty four emulation est not good. I mean there's no real difference between the gamecube or the same exact. This is compared prettier models. I wouldn't i wouldn't go that far like the spiritual. Stones are extra shiny in the gamecube version. Because they didn't. I mean link still look ugly. Nothing was really good luck in the if yes regime where they clean up the graphics. A lot. It's is pretty game prettier. Have you. I played three desperation before but for this i didn't want to pull it that into where it was at first sight is played on our isn't sure what i wanted to have both of the versions of their on gamecube. I could play. One of those are pretty good. And then i got the slingshot and thirty s version. Remember they had gyroscope. Amy in namibia. Never mind stuck with this. It's it's so convenient you fight. I have never seen this game a really dark game. Even though helana has other thoughts about that. I mean. I guess i just never really thought about it. 'cause like this game starts off you're an orphan to to start with which are finance. Your mom died saving you from the ruling civil war by bringing you into the coke reforest in giving you to a tree. I mean that just sounds you know. They don't really say they don't really say a lot of that in this game. Do hey sure do. it's in the prologue man. I just. I just don't read when i play those games. I don't remember any of this. I think you about the civil war thing. But i never really put together. He was an orphan. 'til like maybe ten minutes ago and i really thought about you. Know he's never gave it that much. Thought i guess. Yeah so so lincoln. An orphan boy who's brought into this forest of children who remain permanent children however he is outcast because he's highly leeann and never accepted and bleed mercilessly but no not at all. I mean even when the game start you can't you can't even go see the tree that your stomach because one of the asshole won't let you through until sorts might have such a deck. Yeah i love my job. But i also me. It's gotta be kind of traumatizing. The idea to that. If you're at your kid forever that you never grow up like isn't that seems a little weird too because we have the concept of aging. 'cause i'm sure for someone who remains a child forever. It seems perfectly normal and fine point point because they don't really see a whole lot of other people outside the forest so and if other people wander into the forest they if their child become a skull kid or if they're an adult become stefos. Is that what it's called. I finally got to people so every every okay. Every skull kid was a child that that crept into the place. Yes okay that. I hit for completely forgotten this even though we talk about george math back in episode twenty. Something forgot that. That's another another reason why you think this one isn't quite as dark is because that one is so messed up like in comparison. This seems like nothing. This is more hidden under layers and layers. That i think about. I guess because if i look forward to making this game dark friel i'm okay with that because i still enjoy this game. So it's an amazing game it really all. There will be a time of course but you should know that by now. That's what we do in case someone listening verse time. I should say it. I mean it's only a twenty two year old game. I mean somebody might be offended. Someone hasn't played it yet. I am so severely jealous other playing it for the first time ever be a good experience. Excuse me i mean. He played us for the first time. In your place on the sixty four. I don't think it'd be the best experience we had when we were younger. Rookies i i do not accept that No i got this game sometime because of the old style. Stuff controls put then again. I'm a. i'm a cheater gamer. So at least two thousand two and okay and another question like the random skeletons that you fight and high rule fielding the dead people from the civil war never say. I don't recall them. Ever saying that however i think that given the lore of all the dead people that i'm definitely gonna get into when we go to the spirit temple that would be a totally acceptable explanation for them. I know when i was. When i i played the game. I thought it was dead. People from the war links to the past but just involving for the time line was ever published. But i also again. I was thinking of the game. You know we're in consecutive order. They're not because this is the game that splits everything channel Punch just like. Let's let's talk about the tree. Thing i mean i guess. It is kind of weird. How he just gets hit. The tree is his guardian or something and then he gets nahvi because all did he turn of age. Be right now. I just hope. I go my memory of this game and like the storyline is not really good. I think when i play this game i just played the road. I don't pay enough attention okay. The the cookery ferries right and he didn't get one because he's not one of them yes. He was granted navy because of Oh gosh what is. It's like the the awakening of gannon dwarf The the tree. The great decca trees saw that gandalf had awakened and he was like. Yes i think that this is the chosen child. Who by prophecy is going to defeat cantor. So i'm going to grant him. That's very to help him with his journey. And also test his courage to see if he would be able to wield the force of courage so that is why obvious dispatch to go to link. Tell to climb inside my mouth and kill a giant bug queen go. I like goma for some reason. So my backstory with this game is that this is the video game that got me into video games my My older brother was a gamer. And when this game came out. I was seven and i would go hang out in his room and watch him play. It and i was absolutely obsessed in love. I credit most my personality traits and my gayness to this game i am like i've played it so many times in my life that late i got the the great decca tree down to fifteen minutes. Playtime and i could beat it. I'm obsessed with it. I am nowhere near that level of good. I okay. I just like to dhec. Utri i was diku. I know deco is wrong and it's never spoken. So i trust selena more though you know it. It's like when you learned how to pronounce things by reading them and you never hear the pronunciation lake. The word licorice. I always thought those pronounced. Because i read it in a book didn't hear it out loud. I was like all math. Makes way more sense. So i'm willing to accept any pronunciation of any of these saying coutry for now lot so i liked. I like the tree. I think it's a good. It's a good intro dungeon very like it does a good job of teaching you how the game plays and giving you enemies. Aren't that threatening besides the dams culture lows. It really irritates me. So i'm a big fan of everything. How that how that dungeon is like. I think it's and also i mean it's a little weird at your inside a tree trying to kill a bug with all i can think of this. He missed a class that you're trying to help the tree so someone again everyone's played. I love that game. It's it's fine. I don't know about that. But i love that. That's neither here nor there. But that's what i always think of. Whenever i have to go in a tree and save a tree even though it should be game but i want i guess to the whole idea again. Endorphin ended up poisoning him or poisoning the the great dictator because he wouldn't give him the emerald. Okay i should know the name Something ruby and something sapphire seora are on ruby and the fire. During the playthrough. I mean click. I just played. The game was in my head off. I don't need to read and pay attention to this. And i'm like Maybe that wasn't the best idea. So that's my conclusion. Sewing the decorative you get to use the slingshot nuts here. I like big weapon and you loaded up with nuts and that inspired me to make a slingshot fallen branch. I still have it also. Did i become good at wheeling. No will i continue to use it. Yes hey it's still impressive especially the fact you have at this long. 'cause you move multiple times so i cannot tell you enough. How obsessed with this game. Think your body so that gives it away. I have the spiritual stones on my right arm. So i'm going to school by the way. I never gonna go with that. What i do want to say is that just i. I think okay because the whole idea again door for trying each to get the three the three jewels that you that you end up getting kid. Because he's trying to get to the sacred realm. I think it is okay and by the way that this game guide you along. I think is also i mean. He's also well hard for me to say. Because i know like i know almost all the game by heart where to go so it was like i just kind of go. I don't think about what the game is really telling me what to do righteous. I just know to do. i just go do it. So because it's been so many so many years. And i didn't read anything this time. So i want to talk about queen. Goma 'cause i i didn't know this until many years later between goma's Is a boss from the first game. Yeah so the bus. And then several at this point what did not know that goma's in the first game gomez entira warriors who that doesn't count links blake and inaugurated time the seasons games windbreaker and four swords adventures. Okay linked to wake. He doesn't really count because it's far the shadow boss at the end. Yeah well so. I'm going to disdain at all. But yeah i mean i know talking about i. I love with awakening. Subtle loves their bosses with the big giant obvious. Oh they really do that. I is very prolific within the celtics series almost also in the wand of gamble on and faces of evil talk about things that don't count i really want might one day a you can go ahead and plan like it's cool on the show like any gomez really kind of makes you like the whole when you first walk in that room this giant room. You have to look all the way up at the top of the screen and you'll see this eyeball looking at you and i think that is so cool to kind of show you all the three d. effect action. Teach you how to if you haven't figured out de-targeting yet it makes you figure out. He targeting i think you and amy freon absolutely you get to hear navy. Say hey listen twenty times it. They used to drive me nuts as a trial but lake now as an adult. Every time i hear it. I like tear up a little bit i. I didn't hear it much in. This game. Actually played with south saint andre music and i did actually i actually liked. I like music at this game because again it can't. It's one of the games came from before any angel for certain time it listen to the game after a certain time i listen to it. Don't ask me why. I don't know but i did listen to a lot. I had no problem with it. Didn't really seem that noticeable that she said. Hey listen. I mean. I did ignore her all the time but he felt like it never really happened. Maybe because of the gamecube version. I don't know. But i i didn't feel like all the time so ingrained. Don't even pay attention to it anymore. Probably the one. I heard most was when she says luck. When you target onto an enemy because the sounds like she's calling luke luke name. Yeah that's true. Also remember the deputies in front of The script in front of goma's layer and you have to hit them in a certain order because the loves puzzles and so you have to hit them to three one. Twenty three is number one one. Yup i had to write that down. I couldn't remember. i'll never forget it. I have a hard time every little things like that for some stupid reason. I i'm not with like little codes and stuff and games. I can't remember him. But i do like that again. Teach you how to use a shield and block thing. I love all. This game is constantly teaching things early in the game. I like games do that. It's like trower teaches everything you need to know when you play making next to nothing talking to the game to beat you down. I'm not soluble. They're seriously saw stereotype for bisexual where it's if you're gaming do use your shield or not and bisexuals while always answer. Now yes and i mean. I am living proof of that stereotype. But when he said he's the kinda us from the don't you there another way around it. i mean like you do. There are several boss fights where you have to use it laying get the mirror shield later on in the game when you're going to spirit temple on you have to beat to unravel with a shield blake. That's obviously like you got to do it. But if there's an option i'm shooting no bans. Only there are options. I'm sure this game is broken. Broken to beat when you vehicles. I saw but mike solving the glitches. There are so many glitches in this game. But you can pull off. I didn't realize is sixty. Four and sixty four is full of ways to cut through things that they didn't plan for. It wasn't early. i don't use them. I wouldn't know how. But i i was watching some of this before. We did this video. And i didn't realize how many glitches there were. You can do in this game. You can just like jump through the layers of the game. Well i watched view of one hundred percent completion but the guy didn't really do any dungeon. He would just duplicate items and get stuff that way in certain things and it was really really stressing cow. He did some dungeon mostly as adults though. It's very weird like he just like in When we get jobs. But i'll talk about that barbosa. There's just this it's interesting to me. How many things are hidden. Or how many things you can do in this game if you know this game inside and out but that's neither here nor there because i would never do that much work. Fever owners have a lot of free time when it comes to the game so they run like that is what they do also want to say. I love the way that every boss. It has a little like word above the boss name. how cool that looks today subtitles. I love that good stuff. The parasitic armored erected goma. So then after you kill goma and you supposedly would have saved the tree the tree of dying anyway from go. I guess the tree is like well. I'm weekend so now. I'm gonna die and then you now have to go back to you all the people who already hate you and tell them that killed me. So i'm saving the world jump so you got my to kill the decorate. I'm sorry and then oh we. We have to talk about syria Reo you mean. Said what i said. So she is your childhood friend And light of your life with green hair and she's so happy and so smiley and she gives you the your first oak arena and then you eat it into the water and takes eldest instead because her pickering though totally looks like just a lung that she ripped out of someone pink arena. Yeah the the first one. The ferry one round inc. How did i. We seem brown all these years and sixty four textures. I'm i'm gonna who's right now. I smell steve out. I don't see pink. Saria gives you the best song ever though. I still love. Sorry you song. That is probably one of my favorites soldiers on post. That's put its due to do do do do. Does of it is not the best. Say that After it'd be queen goma and you leave. Surreal behind in a very tearful. I ninety go out for jairo field and you meet annoyance number two in the game cabraha. I also never realized that. He supposed to be the sage of tie or sage that you never actually seeing the game beside the old fat guy like you never actually talked to him like you never sent rescue her. See him outside of the hours ago. I never put that together until a little bit ago. You think copy gabby. Yeah or not. Is that rose. The old guy with a beard at the raw delayed. I'm not sure. I co-signed that. But i'm interested to learn more about it. You do video. Wants us to be set so must be red light or i i to me it made sense. I just went with it. I didn't question it. I can see him like being like a tool to rural lake. Kind of like a messenger by chris. Definitely a tool. I he is. He's another thing. Just i now via that like as an adult. I have so much appreciation for him. Chatty cathy everytime museum it didn't bother me this time at all. I remember as a kid at bothering me. And i remember hitting the wrong button but despite forever. I still still jail in the bud lincoln. I know i'm doing shut up. Yeah the things. That are me when i played scheme as a kid. None of them annoyed be time. Yeah no i agree. I thought none out jairo field and you run like hell to get to the castle but you never there before the sun sets and then you got stuck out in the field with all the skeletons. How skeletons oh. I found out linked to the past takes place after this game so it was not what i was thinking for those that are wondering what my bet earlier. That did not matter. I wanted to say. I always thought they were something. I still probably was just a civil war. Which i i don't really remember ever reading about that civil war before but then again. I don't read what people say in this game. So he s unit a kid. I never explored high rural town. Like i would go a couple of side. Quests that you can do that. I cared about whatever that i never really like. I'm holiness showed me a video of something to happen later. In the game that i had never seen before and still have yet to ever find the scarred the coast guard or the diane guard diane guard. Yeah never seen him a couple times like never run the alley before suffer the chasing the dog at night or something one of the alleys. They i think right. Yeah take the dog into the one of the houses to get hurt piece. i. I've never seen the dying guard myself either. But i was watching Theories mysteries on all these different like conspiracy videos yesterday. Because i love that shit and came across this one. And it's apparently like a remnant of an older version of the game malware. That's guard is denying after a siege on the castle. And he like gives you more information about how the siege win. But it's if you're not like exploring and you're just focusing on like the objective of the game. You're never gonna see him. Which was cool like when i was reading like the idea that it's just there but i've read never we never went there. It is very interesting that they that like you can see him. Die in it because like the the game. It's it's obviously dark. But it's indirect like you don't see people dying you just kill monsters but with that that was like really kind of Wrenching to wash it. It was kinda depressing especially the fact that he dies from fighting fighting a fight that no one else is aware of no one else in castletown knows what the hell's going on but that's again jumping ahead so when you when the sun finally rises when you're on ira field the finally get to go into castletown and there you need all these other highlands that you've never experienced before and you meet this adorable little girl named mae lan and her lisi father has fallen asleep in the castle so she sends you on a mission to go wake him up. I like her. she's she's cute. It's gotten a lot of this little part to hitter member parts of it but like i had forgotten so much of it for some reason like how to go. I remember had to go in there. And i was like i talked. She didn't give me that. I forget you to go in and leave and go back in or something. Then she gives you item. She's gonna be in the the next screen over. Yeah oh. I had no problem with the sneaking part i remember as a kid. This be difficult. This super super simple was yeah. I don't know if i had no patient kid but something it's real easy. I feel like the stakes are probably higher when you were a kid. Just like not knowing that you know. If you got kicked out of the castle you would be able to go back in again. Like i always panicked about that growing up but it is easy it will. It's i like this part of lot. I liked how everything's kind of like you know happy you were told. Go go see zelda. She'll have something for you. You're go go to catholic. You're going through all this stuff. And i just thought was really interesting. This whole part. Getting to the castle sneaking past the guards. Everything's all still kind of happy. I mean you don't have any like the dread that comes in this game later going on right now. Everything just pretty normal. I guess i never really thought about that much until this time. Yeah when you get to the garden where zella waiting and like she turns around. And there's like the swelling the lullaby in the background beautiful. I like that song. Hey one fact that nobody asks her. That's the song my wife walked down to. We got married. Get my wife a zora sapphire engagement ring. I proposed those are so cute. I actually wanted us or fire engagement ring for a long time and this is not practical for me so i decided not to but it is a beautiful thing. It's i also three. The jewels i think are really cool. Looking didn't care but now these are kinda cool egli but like everything. I the cast whole castle tough. It's just kinda cool like when you when you see elda like all of a sudden she just like you're the guy i think. Is you say you remember like vision or a dream. I don't remember what it was exactly. Yeah she'd had dreams about this coming event and Near the ferry boy from her dreams. Okay i didn't read any of this ashley's established. Yeah i like it. I did do the part where you get the bomb thrown at you though were you. If you shoot one of the windows guy with obama window try to blow you up and then the other one. You could see mario characters in i had to. Yeah this is all data tells you you know. You're the ferry voice during games There's a stark cloud that i see coming on her. I rule on. I believe it's this evil man and then you look in the window and see gannon dwarf. The main antagonist of the game bowing down to her father. And that's you. She says like he has like dark heart. And you can tell there some bullshit about to happen. And she's like she's like i want to. I want you to get these spiritual stones and So we can get into the of ten time and locked down the try for and probably will backfire at erated. Yeah yup and then. She calls in my first gay awakening of this game in the book. I like him a lot to i. It's a character that i that i in the i like that imply the names in the i. I all the game. I think is all too recurring character again. Like many things in zelda speaking to a lot of the characters in this game are named after towns on that yes all the sages are my two to for supposed to be zelda to timeline takes place after or of time in one of the timelines. That's why they their reasoning for it or something even not. I'm assuming the time line was written way long way later. But yeah that's the way maurice. Yeah it's not doubt that. I doubt at a time. When they were making these games they might have. I'm not sure. I wouldn't put it past them to be honest but oh corinne of time takes place early in the timeline and then depending on the way the game is be changes the time line or i guess like the different like if up whatever. I'm i'm skipping ahead. It is early in the time line and it changes other timelines number four to put it in. The timeline ample was in the first zelda game. but she's only named in the manual according okay and she was in all the art. I remember looking out. When i was a kid. Zelda stuff and the and she was awesome the little board game or something or puzzle. I had to. I had something to say. I love the game. I had something zelda. I remember maybe coloring book. I had something solvable. I don't know if i still. I wish i still had to here nor there. All right so like everything. Jairo castle i think is interesting and then you get sent off. I forgot to do this. I went all the way to go. See the goran's before. I realized that you had to go back to get sauerbrey hassan. Otherwise you can't progress the game I can have you tell us but you have to listen to nabi for her to tell you that little true. If you don't read it you won't you don't have to worry about i. Just click click. Click kept going like. I don't care if you gotta say nabi i like when you fight your your first will foles all that now like kind of for shadowing when you get you. You have to get to the forest temple and defined sorry to sitting. There teaches us on a wolf o. Says like who. What holum selling said whistles also writing. I think one thing is completely different. I wouldn't surprise me. I liked to wolf. I like the whole idea of the doing in this game. I wasn't until i was watching a video. That kinda talked about where the game was originally supposed to have more. The ideal was like something to doing early on. They got excited about and that's what they kept going something like that. I heard i can't give you more information than that. 'cause i don't know but nothing. I got nothing than you. So we have to talk about high cocker conquer rico village yes kaka rico are always really confusing. Secaucus village is the most fucked up area in oakland up time. All the spooky shit happens in that village they have a graveyard in the back. Guy the one guy in the front who hates his family and then goes into the loss woods to die. I know the god what's his name. He is the son of a the cover. Dirt believe yes. The son of the carpenter. He sits in front of the tree in the front of Coca rico village and he tells you how much eases family and then later on in the game goes the lost woods and there's a quest to get the big or on sword and if you follow the quest he he goes in these woods. You have to go back to calgary town to get a potion from his aunt or grandma and then when you go back to give him the potion one of the girls from talkie is there and she's like well he wasn't from here so he turned into his style photos and he's gone. I have never realized that. Part i i remember. I knew that random guy in the woods. 'cause i've done the the before i've seen it. I didn't realize it was someone hated his family. And that's why he left. I thought he just got lost in the woods. Now if you talk to him in cookery village he's like very clear. I've never talked. Wow found better matures mask when he's surrounded by baby chickens. He's so much happier there. George massacre we're like idea with this game because it's like somebody the same characters kind of yet something like they only had six months to making. These were used a lot of assets or something. Yeah i can see that. I don't know just feel it. Just wouldn't things that i thought was interesting. How how many characters are used from time for majority mass idea. How how some people to travel the terminal. But i just. It's not that far and that leads to the theory that we talked about in our maderas masks. Oh that link has actually dying in the lost woods when maderas mask takes place in. This is what he is experiencing in his head as he goes through the stages of grief and that he's reappropriated all these characters the new characters given himself a task to save the town once again. I believe that after the after the depression of going through all of these events in oak arena of time and then having to be returned to a child and no one knowing that you saved the world like yeah that would really fuck with you. I don't think he'd be okay. After all that i mean again this game gets you go through a lot. I mean i didn't really think about as much as i am now and i'm probably sure more dark things we're gonna come out molina's gonna say soon really yes. This town has a graveyard. But i really thought much about being that dark with does have the shadow temple also right underneath it right by full of darkness in you have dumb old guy on the welles. God that is one weird down there finally. i've got. I've got a whole theory about the well and dilemma. Truth and bongo bongo. And i'm ready to lay it on. You guys are ready for it. Okay we'll get there not whole lot. The top man okay. I never really thought that. I want to say about the we say the worst question. The entire game collect all of the kuku ladies fucking ticket and so tedious though you can fly with them. You can't do that. I had no problem whatsoever with that class. I don't well. i don't remember him doing it. it's just like i it's tedious. It's annoying have you done goran. That was the worst quest. Easiest your time on everything to or did you get all hundred socialists. That's not worth it after thirty speaking of that though the skull us have to do with the other creepy place in cockerill village without the scuttle house where this family got punished by. Being turned into sculpt wasn't they can only be turned back to normal if you collect enough. Golden scuttle us the second creepiest model and this entire game because they are horrifying. What's the first creepiest. That yes argued had the guy in the well. Yes yes okay. I'll i'll agree with that. One creepy hell and then you you get to go to goran mountain. Every run around the village. And i go on mountain showed the letter to get past the guard. And he's like oh great. Go play your game with the princess hero and his dance. I mean every. I really go around on this game. I like the music is good. Getting up to them is interesting. How you have to get that drew neha. Not what the hell's his name. The name dernie right. I'm he won't talk to you unless you're he won't give you any information till you play. Sorry song start dancing uncontrollably. Then he'll let you. he tells you more. I mean it's odd to me but it's game. I have a dance. Hey it's a great song. He gives you the bracelets that you can like throw bombs and lift up heavy shit. Yes i guess you you only do the bomb bomb plants all right or is there other stuff bob. i'm thinking. Pull the plants out of the ground without that thing with paying all the thing does for you let you pull points out. I think hand strength. To but i might not. Yeah you might need it to push blocks but you haven't come across any of this point okay. That's why i never really thought about it. I you can push crates. But i never had to push a block before it comes up more if you're playing the randomized okay. I've never done that yet. Never will for the scam buyers settings you can do to make it a little less annoying. I don't know this game good enough. I have to say Unpopular opinion. The goran's least favourite Race in the all the games and the fire temple and the dog cavern are my lease era dungeons. You don't want to ronald cavern now. I've loved those cavern his grave. And by when you hear my favorite accents okay Job job of its belly and the water temple us. Yes i know. I know by two least favorite places in this game wisened princess. How is the love of i. Don't like real at all mainly it'll i am. She is the ultimate bratty sub. In any game ever. Oh we'll get there shortly. But like i like the whole king dangle thing where they can't get rocks because they wouldn't give gone through so he throws rocks in front of their cave. They're like they liked the special rocks or something like that. I thought that was an nobody can pick up the bombing. Throw spend okay and then you came back. Flip off and get the herpes without during the plant. Oh i didn't know that. I just went through the later. I by single'magic being this around. I'm like i'm not going through. All this bought a couple. I want a law. But i never planted them all. 'cause i just didn't care just don't you don't need rubies a lot in this game. No you don't like they're not that useful now like mike majority mass right. You needed rubies as you need to buy a lot of stuff. He losing everything. I'd just i don't. I mean the only that did the gold sculpture. The crap was to get the second the bigger wallet and then after that. I didn't yeah like you said when you thirty. There's no point doing anymore because the price forty is some bomb jews and leg great. Thanks to i don't like von chile. The that runs the game and marcus. You normal she's a low punky girl. Calendar little noises like oh. She seems so bored to be at work. Got over here is like i wanna go home. The sympathize weather cami to the same with the whole deductible. The guy like goes cavern. I never had a problem with it. And i still love that. Fight with king o'donnell even though i was getting my ass i got here heard a couple of times. What's going on here. Game like i was i was just plain wrong. And it's just so fun to throw bombs in his mouth for some reason to me. Give a loved king dongo as much as i hate these dungeons noise. They gave him well. My whole thing is why is his room where he's living at right next to kill him idle time. It doesn't seem very smart. I don't think that's what kills them. I think it's just the bombs almost stomach and then he just kinda rolls into it. I thought you did too many bombs and he rose law because he's confused and you just dies when the lava little resistant on the outside okay. I think it's because he got all open his got bombs. Your guts probably wouldn't be very good. How not something. Really bad heartburn relates. Get that cleared up pro about that. We played and then after you get the ruby then you're sent to go to the final don areas kid which apparently is. I don't know. I should have known i should have known. I love this zora's. I adore them. If i could be any race from this game it would be the zora's i just loved them and the music is so good so you go to vizor. Place gathers fancy name for it zora's domain. Yes year this beautiful music. That i still play because there's a ten hour version of it on youtube. Sometimes when i can't sleep. I play that and yeah and i knew me The king zora news lake. This sh i love him. He's really fat fish it and he's like my daughter is gone I think she went out back to go. Play with uncle jab jab. Woo now haven't seen her since so then he you have to get him to move out of the way you can go back and get her and the buck sounds moee a week. That goes for like a full thirty seconds. It's amazing i don't know why but it's still abuses me and i feel like i wonder if it's easy to know i got the scale and i go to lake highly. Get the bottle but does the game kinda tell you to do that or is it just ingrained in my head. I can't remember that. I don't know scale. Yeah you gotta die for the money to get the silver scale and then go to the leg to get the bottle and then come back. I mean it's all just engraved different points. With what anymore i hate. You get another bottle that way you should tell the game gives you three bottles pretty quickly to yeah and then never a fourth one and i know i've never got four. I don't think i've never. I've never done the big boot. The big pose in my youth. When i was had more time on a hanson big pope once upon a time lot free time. Point your free time podcast. Why do you like job. Who job because i hate. I aid this done to the kid. I still hate to sunshine not like brutal okay. So it's so colorful. I thought it was fun. I thought it was easy. It was really into it after for me. i just really like the ocean and fishing. Stop so you get an and eventually you run into princess ruto. And she's like yeah. I've been here. And she super-busy she's like well. I lost something in here so like us. We can find Also i'm not walking. I'll give you the privilege of carrying me. Thank you carry her around. And she is such a bitch. She's yawning and like getting comfortable on your shoulders and just god icon that nine is some mariah carey. Behavior total diva. Yeah so all she wants. Is your sapphire back. Chances are sapphire because her mom gave it to her and in it's it's an engagement gift from her to her future husband so she wants the sapphire so bad i just done just hit forgotten. I got lost. Had to look up a guide be dumb. Apparently i i had 'cause i went to the whole part. I fought the stupid minibus. You lose ruutel. And then i had to go. I couldn't figure out where to go ahead. The booming rain had done. I forgot you to pick up a crate. Put a crate on switching. Go down the simple hallway. You gotta start with that many boss pretty quick. I hate that thing. My least favorite boss in this entire game the giant round spike Got to run around and get behind him with boomerang say he really Your shit. I would not say that it was funny though. They're so cute. And there's there's some stuffed animal octa rock at target that they sell and i've been waiting for it to come to my local target so cute just putting out there. It's thirty dollars big I have such a hard time with it and it just irritates me every time. I don't know the ones from linked linked to the past that super super cute. I like them fast. Don't like him in this game. Then you can linked to pass. There's no wrong for me so perfect. I don't wanna hear know but just okay. Those are really cute now. L. me to all your gonna. I don't apologize You're welcome okay. We were say like just. I don't know the. I know nothing wrong with job job. Who i guess. I just don't like water. Dungeon this game in general water generalship say he got a bad rap. It i i. it's so colorful and pretty interesting and lake said the main boss is very i believe. I like him Yeah this little bar as in you have to fly them. Yeah there you go barnard yeah. He's not a fun. Filing i had no problem fighting him. This time. i got through this johnson. Pretty effortlessly i was kinda surprised. It's like i kept going the wrong way some like okay. Well there's that electric pillar here. And then i killed the the weird guy. I even know what to call them. The weird like ill things that hang down from the ceiling. You kill them. That opens up the pillar. And i'm like well those part of spotty that you're destroying. Yeah probably called. The parasitic tend to call and their limbs of the baronet. Oh i never knew that works so the baronet that was put there by gannon gandalf right. I'm assuming is there anything bad in this game. But they're began. Wait assume so. But i also wonder if it's like a disease or like a heart condition only was bio warfare bioterrorism by gannon intestinal bannon in this game. Like you go inside. Gray decker trees mouth kilkare side. You throw bombs and qingdong dongo. You're inside job. Jarvis mouth killing a parasite think someone saw enter spaces like hey. Let's just make that the game and then when you be marinade you get spat out into the water and the first thing you wake up to is brutal giving you the bedroom is she's like i love you and we are engaged now and she gives you the the orange engagement sapphire. And she's like you're my man. Remember this soon legs. Like i am ten lease minutes i i. I thought interesting this time. When i watch i saw happening again iconic. She knew what she wanted. She was not wasting time. No she was not take no for an answer. This is happening deal. You took the ring. let's get married. He he accepted the proposal so it's not her health. He doesn't understand or is cultural customs. I've got. I've been watching star data. See one that something. That's a really good show for some reason. Don't ask me why all right. I got it out all right. So you like before. We skip to him becoming an adult In highly infield you can go to the lawn lawn ranch which is where long lives and you can meet your future ahead horse. E puna and learn opponent song which is important for later on in the game. It's such a good thing to do. To just part. I enjoy long on rancho like how different it gets when you come back later. I thought that was all on the thing that you were talking about with the civil war that was in some book that i don't know if it came here it's a manga manga. Yeah i'm looking at it right now. I i need to read this time on the harrow. Historian probably it's really sad. I didn't even know existed until just now yeah links. Father was a soldier for the king and was killed in the war. I kinda wanna buy a buy this manga volumes based on i think every zelda game of remain one Yeah don't don't say you wanna be about that life biba. Why do it'll be for one reason to make a podcast about it but hey how that no. We're talking about even want eight five inches. Cool another bottle there. Your second bottle usually milk can tell us if you wanna marry his daughter so you can have two girls on your arms and laughed up. Lincoln's really And i know quite crude but he is really drowning in the plus. This game is up to four now. I guess that's counting sharia but three forever again so we don't count her album nyland reto so far. I didn't but yeah you are right on a garage. They they have a sweet childhood friendship romance. And that's it that's where it ends. There is no porn on the internet depicting otherwise he. He added thirty four. Does not exist is now. It doesn't not for sirri-a the ed so you take the stones and you go you go back to herrell The council yeah. Will you come up to the castle on the sky turns black and the the fucking the bridge drops and there comes in puns elda. His uncle expect a union. She yeats her into into the moat. You have to get that c. Picked it up and you're like fuck sirri-a arena to take us. He's got a forty hour. Just disappears inventory and i never really thought about it until just today when recording where you're like yeah he just. He just like asked her this drops in the water. You know these these women. Keep giving link their tokens of engagement. Like this oh corinne of time and the milk bottle from lama ranch in this aura. Sapphire a night just like to fly know that the sapphire is a way higher quality than all the other shit so rude. Hose winning Duck times magic. At least so it's got that going for it as safir opens up the sacred realm. You don't wanna go. There get turned into a rabbit when you go there run game which for the past reference. Okay yeah. I love looking for the past in case you didn't know this is. This is the point where well so give out the blast. You're asking your your kid whatever and so you can go in and this is the time where you can experience the dying guard. Go to the left instead of the right You go the opposite way from the temple. Time where the daigle tell you like. Agana dwarf came in with all these people. He ransacked the castle. At you know the prince escaped guard dies. And if you try to go into the catalan like a nel You cannot come in right now. There's some shit going down And it's implied that he killed the king though. I want to believe that's what probably happened though too. I don't think zelda would have left her daddy there okay. maybe she didn't know. But i'm assuming the king got killed though by if you're going to overtake kingdom. I mean that's what you gotta do me. And the king dies isn't like all others all the games So i i think it's part of the prophecy that he's gonna die slick uncle ben's spider-man's not long for this world now and then you go to the temple time and use the spiritual stones to open it up and get the master sword. But what's this candidate comes in. He's like full you. I was higher the whole time so he waiting nearby or did he come in after you open the door because you just open when you left. I'm glad to your ass. He wrote after a little bit. He's like oh that was kind of suspicious and then turns around. He says that effect on the cut scenes. Like i've figured you were the the ticket opening the door so he must have been following. I feel like if you just wouldn't have done this. He would never got the doral. He might kill zelda though well for the type of work You have to have all three pieces and the three pieces were united in the sacred realm however when gandalf touch them they split up and each went to their respective destined home so he got try power sold out the horse of wisdom and link got the try force courage also. He didn't get to try force till this point. Then yes okay i. I always thought he had to try to force with him already. But that makes more sense very interested in wrap around the sometimes mirny line the chosen one. I guess do want to go into gandalf's backstory to adopt a good time. Because now you kinda like take front and center. So we'll door is a rudo and agree does live in the desert. There's a lot of theories about civil war in them being outcasts there and other stuff that i'm not sure it's been substantiated by the lower from the game. Is that everyone hundred years. The grew does have a male child and so basically its troop of either lesbians four women that sneak out to have sex with high liens or like carpenters or whatever but anyway every eleven zero one hundred years they have a boy and he becomes the king of the garrido's so rude for canada orf garrido king and then goes to jairo too late meet the actual king and shit goes down carpenters there. I don't like what why they're keeping the carpenters in jail. Then you are an hour. Slaves meissner's new. I okay. let's carbon ca dumb. I thought i gotta say what makes you think you're going to go over here but like oh hey they're gonna accept the open arms. No they're they're smart enough not to but and then the whole the whole idea that he puts you take sort out and as soon he takes sorted out he ends up. Warping ends up being put to sleep for seven long years. Why he used ages like. That's got to be such a mess with you all of a sudden. Hey guess what now. you're seventeen or eighteen surprise. What just happened. What better than one hundred eight. He slept for hundred years to. That's true and so that's a little different age older. Like i mean. Just think about all this stuff and then here and then here you are. You're you're you're you're questioning over here here. Go kill things now. Go save the world. Like i mean it's gotta be pretty traumatic idea. Use your boomerang. Don't even try it only for kids to shot wrought isn't that excuse they give you I don't know. I just think navy's like oh you can't use some of your items okay. I thought there was some reasoning for it. Don't use boomerang you look like an idiot game lot easier and an adult that i take it. The race over damped. Easter made for small hands. And you have large man hands. No way that's all it is. But i don't think is interesting when you go back into high rural after you when you leave the temple of time i dad part is so fucking creepy with a redesigned. The salary everyone dead and everything gone like seventy eight in the world just terrible. Chaos stark contrast. There's no there's no happy people dancing in the field. You know like you were when you first time there. But he's in the center of town just death dads i hate arenas. Everyone took off for kakovko. Yes you think he would invade a real do not that far away from his hassle. Get set on fire at some point like a day. It's not good at. It is still tries. Re didn't so creepy when we get to you my well spare spirit lens or i have truth Bongo bongo i'm ready to rock. You're i'm looking forward to. It will won't be demos longer And then you go to the forest temple you go back. To co kerry wood's. Isn't everything cookie or woods. All ruined to kind of suffer. Just stupid middle is still there might. Oh yeah there's monsters in the town are part of it. Yeah okay. i didn't see that. Could i just ran up the thing where to go. Decker babas and stuff okay. 'cause i guess. The town is no protection anymore so people are just running wild. I liked this area. Like i like i for some reason. I don't i can't explain it by like mob bobbins a lot and seeing the mob lions in this game i liked seeing the giant dogs clubs. The beat the shit out of me multiple times this blazer but for some reason they're cool to me. I that in this game. I was like i really liked this design a model. I really liked this. Partly when you walk into the may trying to get to the forest nipple and they're just shooting the shit out of you with their stupid or not charge you with the spheres and knock. You're asking the water. Had fun with that. Yes you have to go to the forest temple to save sirri-a Because he find out that serena has fled or disappeared then You go into this for us temple. Which is beautiful and it is. It's a great place. We should talk about chic. She shows up. Come back to the to the when he come back to the future and your who sheikh is this. Is this guy the way you see at first talking to you and tells you You have to go. you'll save the sages or something. And she gives you all the songs will let you walk around the game which make the game a lot easier and more fun. I like sheikh a lot. Ohio very cool very goldsmith. Other stu she so cute indra janice haughty. You're not wrong. Artwork of sheikh like not not the game itself because all gone put like i think the art of sheikh is really really cool. A once again. This game has has made me gay from starts and all all the characters were put in there to make me gay. Great excuse me the graphics so terrifying here nothing else. They were put there to make me gay. I love the great series. We'll fight for all them. Whatever say like sheikh is just such a cool character and he's like really his only ally in this too and she. Well i'll say she front ritto calls color refers to. She has a male. But i think you're meant to the game trying to confuse you reveal which is it is cool. I like it also makes sense that she hiding their identity and traveling through this game with you and helping you. I mean he doesn't do anything than give you songs really. But i but it's really cool to have her there and hustle such cool looking character and she was. She was raised by impact to be a bad ass. And so i think it's really cool because the shaka's secretive people and impalas straight up lake. I know you're not a sheikha. But i'm gonna raise you in our ways. What's up your my child now. Ninja girl yeah or welcome. Yep so bad. As the forest temple is home to the four post sisters that are named after little women. So any joan. Meg phone attend. Oh that's good. I don't like the pos that much even though they're they're fine fighting. I just really like this temple. I like fighting. The stalled holds a lot like to me. That was really fun fighting them. The music is so good and unsettling. I love the music in the first temple. No i heard it. Because i actually played the sound for this whole game but i can't remember it i'm gonna look it up. I can't it's weird me saying that. The music of this game is just so could hustle. Ten our thing for example. By the way to i'm sure there's ten hours of for spartan intendo game music. Yeah you are right to hold. This is really unsettling is is. It's weird but it this whole temple. It kind of strikes me as lake a mansion to that very rich man made who was like in the midst of dementia or psychosis because he put all these like weird trap rooms in it and spinning hallways and rooms. Ceilings would fall down. And he's like. I'm trying to protect my daughter. So don't fuck and come in here you at face makes you want. It's gonna make the same joke nothing but no. I'm listening to music. And i even like in the thick pretty quickly in the song. It starts getting really creepy to some of the different salads. That makes this really settling music. I thought about that you said it without. I'm listening to it. I'm not playing game or anything. I'm just hearing the music. It really kind of gives me the creeps me out a little bit. Yeah absolutely Distemper like i do agree with you that it does. Could you imagine some really put that together but it's just it. It looks like something normal. That wants long. You'll white built some health apple and it is weird. That music is really. I turned off as unfair as if you don't think about because you're playing the game you're moving and you have other sound effects. I don't blame you listen. Just listen to that song by itself. It's really it's really is unsettling And this is one of the only temples where you can see the sky while you're in it. So it's it's a large temple. It's a cool place to like. I mean i don't like all the sculptural as you gotta you gotta deal with. Those are really annoying as hell. There's way too many of them. But i'm okay with that. Goes down to one of the hook shot. Yeah or what you have to go get before you can even come here a race. Dante's ghost his flipping national on. You don't have the hook shot. You can't the tower. Yup forgot about that dante's goes is fine. That's not a bad part. I loved he serves no purpose but to give you hook shot and stuff but it's such that's one of the best weapons and best items in the series on shot. Allow it now. But it's it's pri- it's it's my favourite temple as you go to. I would say maybe that are fire. I really liked the fire devil but this place is just so cool and i loved fighting even though the sophos kick my ass multiple times like got the hang of it. I did enjoy fighting a lot. They're fun to fight. And you get the. I loved the bonus game. Great for sure. i. I love fighting the post sisters. Because they're so. They're all in lake to picture frames. Then you have to pay them out. And i i love them so much medals my favorite poster fighting them that much. But i like. I like the idea of them a lot. And then i also a big fan of like the whole idea that you had to go kill each four post sisters and then you're able to unlock the elevator to take you down to the bottom of the dungeon. It straight up resident. Evil the crass the put in there to open the pa- the statue and george trevor's amendment. We're playing that revenue games on damian. Ups one one. I never beat it. There is no. I can do that. Two thousand to one on the shows we knew the original. Ps one sunday. Hey we talk about the amazing voice acting for talking to i. Listen to that all. I really enjoy the boss. This dungeon to me even though he like. So you get into a room with a bunch of paintings at the very end you hear dorf laughing or something and i wanted to the game that he even tell you what's happening. Look at a pain. See something coming out of one scary shit. I would lose my mind if that happened to me. I hate mir's in general like i. I'm not into mirrors. He's something moving painting. I'm done in real if i happen to me real. I'm out yup. Don't have mir's in my house and stuff for the bathroom reason my wife like well. We got the big. But i'm like no no no mere. i'm good. Can i have a fear of looking in the mirror and seeing something looking back at me and then it moves and you get trapped in the mayor of not coming to save you like just. I don't know why it's a it's a i know. It's a kind of like a baseless for. You're not going to happen because i'm not in a supernatural world puts not spread. I kind of like uncanny valley where like humans get really creeped out by things that look human and aren't you in and at some point evolutionary early we had to develop that fear meaning. There are something that looked human but wasn't human. So i mean there's got to be just one of those things that i i mean. I know i believe supernatural stuff. But it's just one of those things like it's one of those fears. I always have and yeah. I just can't do so like the boss is just so i. I guess i was also youtube video. That was watching had mentioned that originally they had ideas of this game of having something to do with painting as super mario sixty four type style at first. And that's where this came from. I don't know if that's true or not. But that was a leftover ideas took new use for this boss fight night. I liked this site where he comes out of the pain. You gotta hit them with a hook shot or the bow and you just keep doing that on the horse you take out the horse. I kid is a really cool fight. The appeals his face off his that creepy skull underneath phantom gannon. He is a ghost that gandalf created to emulate him. Awesome never really caught. How dark it is when you beat him. When he's like veil. I've been celia away and i'm like what am i going to banish you between dimensions or some kind of shit like Ever caught up before she us. Oh this is nice. Just hit more this time playthrough. Never hit me before and when you when you fight phantom gannon the move you use on phantom gannon are the same ones. You're gonna use gun door flare on in the game because you're bounce back the you're playing baseball with the orbs Didn't think about that. I should have thought about that. But yeah that that's cool thing like there's a lot of really cool elements in this game. I still hold up just fine after all these years. Yeah it turns out. Nintendo makes good stuff. Surprisingly who knew the match version of this game. I created time. Came two thousand to mike also. I tried to play that softer. He'd be phantom gannon. You get warped to the realm and you find out that syria is speed forest stage. And when you're a sage you have to live in the cigarette can never come back. And so it's like really have to say goodbye to your childhood friend. You're like okay you again but okay how fun. Yeah has got to be really depressing. Hoyt also depressing. Is the you get. The forest medallion and apparently originally the each madine was supposed to give you a different ability in the game but they ended up cutting that idea that would have been cool off ability to god but that would have been cool still and then you get to go to The fire you get to go the think man. That's kinda that's kinda depressing to in a sense because everybody's de gone or everybody's captured put. There's just nothing there and you just you have like i. I had a hard time with this game glitch on. I'm or something where you have to go. You go back to the garage city. You have to bomb a gore on his rolling around. He'll talk to you but for some reason you wouldn't talk and yet. He ignored me. I had to reload my save and then play then. He would talk to me and tell me. Hey my name's hey my name's linked to because you're durrani. His brother. sure your. I know you've got the recalls your brother or something this spiritual brother. It's you save the so. He names his child after the guy that saved the race. It's i. I liked to fire temple also like i. Also i like the megaton hammer you get there. I like player. Temple is not as i don't think about the fire temple. You wanna tell me. Lena her while you have to get the gun onto nick to go in there. Which which is where you learned that links drip game is immaculate. Nothing okay so you don't drip game as last file are just gonna leave. That they're gonna wanna know will. He is a fashion east of his time. And he gets all these cool knicks that give him different powers on the garage. Unique allows him to go into the fire without getting burned. Sassy i i. Wear the garad tunic. A lot just because it's cool. I like i like him. I like him blue best. He dissolved the rest of the game. Just because since blue so. I don't know too much about the fire temple. Because i tried to spin around at every time i do. Love the minibus flared. Answer and god is like one of the coolest many bosses in this game the fight. It's kind of a joke but it's very cool looking like a ballerina. Made a fire that the whole hour. Just like the couple's interesting runaround. Still on's you get games yeah. The temple is home to vova was a dragon that used to eat go-round in the past and it did died and then it was resurrected by gannon however at lake. I am really curious about while vega's like beginning is because In other zelda games like ira warriors there is a character navia who like has the same head as the dragon. So i'm curious. If that was the original vega or if that guy was just fired by the dragon or what. But i'm really curious about this dragon and there's also route oak green of time. There's a lot of imagery of serpents and dragons in the temple select. The water temple has lot of dragon serpent imagery. So very. I mean i know in the comic that leads up to this with ovadia that he was a pet. That link had has kit and then in turn change turned him the dark side essentially. Yeah i can you to read this mango now. But yeah it's in there. That's what i've heard. At least when i was reading when i was doing research on this game before the episode okay. This music is nowhere near as creepy. I'm listening to it right now. We're talking for the fire temple. It's got a good like it doesn't get up unsettling off like the other one did the the original one point oh music that had the taking muslim chanting in the back of they took l. So maybe it was creepy. Then i was that that does not i mean it's a little odd when you hear into different. Like some of the vocal type sounds of a person in the background. That sounds a little odd but not the music is a lot creepy when you listen to them. You're not playing the games you know if this music is creepy issue really listen to the music from jaws mask that you didn't listen to about thirty percent right 'cause i play that on ds. And i played a lot when i was like on a train. Different places at that time. 'cause i was traveling from chicago so yeah there was no sound ever probably get that album just another. It's on you definitely not but okay. Let's like the fire temple because all the we're going to be sacrificed for food or something. I mean that's why they're there. They're not. They're just be prisoner. That's dr you know this you are right. This gives a lot darker. I ever remember thought about it. I told you i told you. So what else i wanna like. I like full foggy a lot. I like that fight a lot. I think all that is really well. Done me even though just kinda whack-a-mole but still like if i i'm jim thank you hair. And how often he tosses that shit around like a shampoo commercials comes up on the ground is washes it around the i. I love dragon so anything with a dragon. I'm a sucker for a lot of drama in that hair. I'm also big. Fan the megaton hammer to this and. I don't think he's done this too complicated either like it's pretty straightforward. What artis as me Like you said earlier like shit load keys and then you have to just kind of wander alica wars the lakhdar because it's not like the forest apple has just room's next rooms extra rooms and this one is like very weird shave rooms with multiple exits in them. I don't know. I have a problem. But i tend to get lost in this one. I got off the next temple. Why would have got lost next on the lead in read word for word what to do but an easier time with a letter temple than i did the forest and fire. Did you use a guide or just in your head. Nah i don't use guides h game kind of i and that no idea what anything else you wanna say about. The fire temple tempo. Move onto your favorite temple. I i have nothing else to say it. I the best zelda enemy all of the series is and this is the wiggly doors too many times do all urs. The wiki call some door that falls down your or which. I'm also holding a bottle lamp as a recording this episode. By the way. I did a secret santa thing and they sent me a bottle which is on my desk. Now i just. I don't know why. I had to say it because i also like like the fire temple likes eating my one and i felt like an idiot. Each what all because like you have to hit them. Just right at the top of own gives you the clingy. Not doing damage sound. So like i'd head a multiple times and declined. Glenn may mean steal my shield. My too-neglected asshole if you shoot arrows on the go real quick. That's really a better idea. I tried to stunned. What the hook shot and then head on but obviously didn't work out too old for me. I i went with the hook shot method as well. It's like him better when they look like. They're stocks pancakes. And all the in the games there little creepy looking into this game though. I will say that it bugs me a little but and then after you finish the fire temple and you get the second seal and you go to the tours. His domain and everything is frozen into big blocks of ice. Which are kind of you know they can't swim. I guess because you know they're all you can and The big or king is in in red ice for some reason and then you have to go to the ice cavern which is behind. We're job ooh job. Who was but because of feed under now. I know job we job dungeon is still there. You just have to glitch the floor. You can go right inside job. Which jobless if you want to. He's inside a small snowdrift or something on the on the on the pier after he's asked still somehow for some reason interesting. Yeah definitely dead. I'm okay with that. Yeah i would assume job we've definitely been killed by gandalf because wasn't university their protector or something some kind of gertie and so. I'm gonna make sense if we're gonna take over gonna kill the guardian as cavernous like. It's tyrannical cool. Slipping slide is a little annoying. But it's still. It's still a cool place to go and get your iron boots. Music is great Not a huge fan of ice covered. But i understand its utility. Give you an extra engines for the hell of it. You stop ads. Though of listening to the right now like his money to learn the called the water song serenade water a beautiful. She gives q after the f. You do this part. Yup and you plan an ice cavern and they're sleek the twinkly stars overhead and it's pretty you played a bunch of waffles in this place is the mini boss flows like pollino in allotments game. A really do doing really far. Yeah and this is also very to use the You have to turn back into a child to go lies cavern because you have to boots or no no no no that is absolutely not done adult you get the ice boots or go ticket booth and you work the lake kalia and you can drop down a blue take to get from rusty king zora. I think able to see you wanna hear my water temple theory. Say that the water temples a sacred temple on its use tote worship the water spirits. Which like i mentioned earlier. You see a lot of serpent imagery in there a lot of dragon imagery and we know that morphou the boss are gonna fight later on is kind of a serpent. Like whoa loosely. However If you go to that tree on top Lake hialeah you see there. Three scratch marks in it and mall. Ought people think that that could be the wolf's There are theories going around on online that that's actually one of the dragons from breath of the wild that Scratch that tree when it was younger. And if you compare the breath of the wild reagan's to the dragon imagery in the water temple. They look very similar so a lot of people am. I believe that bat temple was made to worship the breath of the wild dragon that flies over lake highly excels. Yeah i'm striking the rest of the while. Yeah i remember seeing one for the first time. Like what is this thing They're very cool looking. Go back and play that game. One day yeltsin probably someday happy. I'm waiting for the switch to hammer for twenty dollars day when they do their selects. The twenty twenty five. That's not the nintendo way. I know it's not. I'm waiting for sixty dollars to report of a game with funky gong in it i it. I'd rather not we were saying like okay. That's cool i never. The water temple is just. I is a cool looking place and when you have a guide it's really not bad aesthetically. All the tumbles cool they definitely fit their themes that they're supposed to be representing. Yep yep and In this is where you run into your fiance. Yes and she's like aware the fuck. Have you been called at seven years. Everything has gone to shit. You've been gone. What the fuck. I will forgive you texas temple. Why are you just. she's there. she's trying to kill more right. She's trying to fix and melt the ice all right. I couldn't remember why she i've ever seen her. Because you're a couple of times. I think once or twice while you're down there and this temple it's like i know way people hated it back in the day because i think there's a if you miss a certain switch or missing key when you look at the level you completely after you have to do much stuff over again. I think you have to start the game over you. I'm gonna forward when you do that glitch. Now i know mike i thought about like there's a level you can screw up in the dungeon but knows a glitch. Yes thing that you screw up in the dungeon is the glitch and you have to start the game over god. That would be miserable. I think it has to do it. Depends on if you save it after that or not. If you don't realize that you find that glitch you have to start over again. Because he can't go back to an older. Save file. Which i know because i did it. Someone from the heart. I despite that ledge. I still love this temple. It's beautiful. I didn't have any problem with time and also it. It's the first time we see one of the most prolific enemies in like zelda cannon which is dark link clams oh not science the to true altitude or so got that far that gave hartselle fight. That room had dark link on. This game is so damn cool. Like i ain't i suck at this filing had a really hard time. I barely beat on put. It is a cool fight. You are right. I i forget art linking system. It's just the hammer. Because he doesn't swing when the hammer easier using up all by in the fire watching him dance on my stored and smack the face constantly going to beat them honestly more. When i play games i forgot about the hammer trick. And he tried him the story he will jump on your sword a lotta times too engines on your face. He's played fuck you when you're done face goodbye. I got back so many times. It wasn't it was annoying so many times. He's back in the face a cool. It is cool fight and it's cool to see that he's in there. Nasa you give a long shot which is probably one of my favorite items in the game to use the hook shot. Nice but it's the long shot is what you that is much better than item champion And i will. I mean it's not my favorite. But i actually had a good time with the water temple. I had no like i. I came in with the fear. 'cause i remember people talking about an eighteen when i was younger and i remember me not wanting to do it when i was younger. Making my friend do it for me. I was scared of it. Hurts only bathing and it was just fine cheating but still it was. I had a good time like i see. The temple is really cool looking at the different levels of water. You have to raise and all the stuff you can do get very interesting temple. And that and in fact. Final stupid stairwell where you have to go up. Slant i failed on it like five times i watch video and i just watched guy run up the side. I'm like wow that in In two thousand nine new apologized for the design of the water temple for that they fixed in the thirty s versus limit. Foot like markings on the pathways that lead to where you need to go to change the water everything's color coded lot more convenient. Plus their boots aren't a weapon. You can just. They're not an item. There is you can just quick on the the touchscreen and oh such better. I don't remember that. Or they're not geared their items. You don't have to pause and go into the item menu. You take them off a lot yet. I i like this more than i thought i. Would this time as listening to talk about the drinking thing. I'm more interested in now. There's there's a secret killing morphou really quickly. So you you hook shot morphos whatever nucleus out and if you aim at strategically between the spikes and then see trapped between two spikes and then you stand on the other side of it and just slash out it over and over again and it can't get past you you can kill it within like a minute. Took me a while. Because i had to grab the slingshot hook shot and i would long shot and i would barely hit it a couple times. It ran back in the water. That's how you you may get your bitch. I love the watertown pine. No everyone. it's like it a lot more than the water temple and toilet princess. I hate that devil. I have no recollection. What you're gonna like spin the spin the staircase around and then drop off her on and it opens up other pathways. It's annoying not fan. I i liked for instance a lot. I've never played tyler. Prentiss if you want to we can change. So i wouldn't be opposed to it okay because it it's talked about. Zelda games sits up there hear you should fly is your dog named after a character hermit. So she has a cat named nobby. No yeah no. I i remember being really good and i played the hd version a little bit for this. Podcast are so two years ago. But still i have good memories so we shall see hopefully not wrong but can happen all right texas zelda so work like morphou morphos a giant little or inside a giant body of water that you that water tentacles feature asked what i found out it hurts lot yes i did not enjoy any grabbing. Threw me across the rumor like beat me. I'm like this is not fun. If beat my ass few times. I didn't die but i i had to use fairy. How did my hand it to me. Like not fun. Yeah he is the fuck around and find out boss of wrong. It's a good way to put it. And then at this. So i most of my memory of this game ends at this point after beat the water temple. This is when you have to you. Go to cac rico. Village nece went on fire. And you meet she. Can you get the song would also this. Everything's working really asked creepy too because you get some visible thing it comes out of the well and hit you or something or beat you down some definitely flies out of the well and invisible. I remember that much i guess. Weird like and then. She kind of like shape. Save you or wake you up after you get your sanity you and then tells you to go in and everything then fired you have to go down to the well or something explosion in the well that blows back. I don't think it's actually an enemy from inside the wall. But i might be wrong on that. I gotta go into the one hutton here. The best zelda music in the entire franchise and meet the most manic character. He's really mad at you. girga ru. How fast is facing though when you play. The song. Really upset with you hilarious. Because he so he teaches you the song of storms but then you have to go back as a child in each son of storms. Paradox is an that. Paradox is explained in Mask because the sound of storms was created for Pig was created by the composer flat for his brother sharp to apologize for something he had done when they were alive. So when you go to. I can't valley and you go to the graveyard there. You learned about the back story of solomon storms and they were both composers for the world of neural tissue. The sun song in this one. I like congress. There's no sorry a song but it's not bad it's great it's creamy love so see find out that There's this professor walking around cukurca village. If you talk to him the old man. I'll tell you that there was a man who could see the truth and he had a house that once stood on the location of the well And you find out later that the man who can see the truth is it's him using the lens of truth. Oh that's cool. I never talked to this guy before and all the years. I've played this game i've never heard two story. Okay when we get the shadow temple. I'm gonna tell you my theory it's gonna rock your world. Let's you go back to k. Like when you go down in that well after you teach the guy to song storms and like man. That is one creepy little done where you get the lens the truth and you are. I forgot that that's all you need to do them there. You just have to get the len. And i could fuck out of there like i'm running around like okay word of fuck. Do i go now. And he's like oh. I think i'm done here needed. Was this dead hand. Who is fucking creepy. What's your hands sticking on the ground that grab you and you'll only make them spun. I think right. He's a big job with arms and a big mouth opens up to try to you. Oh yeah like long. Red nails on his hands. It looks like a silent hill enemy. Yata does yeah. He's got like what i imagined was how they were trying to artistically depict rotting flesh own. I never thought about that. He's gross. he's so gross. You get to find twice wants. His child wants to link for you looking for my iron ironical reuse too. So yeah and there's some people mind who believed that the The dead hand is the man who had the of truth as zombie. But i have a different theory. Okay you want say you're and then when you go you want to go back to adult listening. When you're able to go the south you can only get to the shadow fund by playing that song writer. Can you hook shot up there. I think it was planning nocturna shadow. All right because it's kind of interesting how she gives you a song where you can teleport rating from temple in to get that temple by that song everything else. You can always walk apple interesting to the shadow. I jin's fired even get inside. Yeah which is thought. An optional item. I think it's the only one you have to have. And i think you'll use it. You only need it either just here. One other time but man shuttle temples creepiest health. I had forgotten this this temple. Because i think the point that we didn't play very often when we play this game when i was a kid. So we like we didn't do this. And i had no recollection of this place and it's creepiest faulk. So what was your three helium that you wanted to say. We haven't volvo okay. Sounds like it's everything you have to go into truth constantly to see things that are hidden and like how man is just so weird all the skulls everywhere and some visible floors invisible walls invisible chest. Invisible enemies visible holes Man for that lends third spaces. That's her unless you just know where everything is. Yeah like the video. I'm watching right now. it's just it it's really it's fry. The creepy has done for in this game with the invisible walls and everything and just all like all the death symbolism. that's in here. It was very uncomfortable. I mean it's not hard not that hard or anything it's just and it's not pretty straightforward if he longs using the group but it is creepy as hell and when he talking to you about the dead and stuff like the wall keeps talking to you. It's not but you get the hover boots. I don't like coach. I love her boots. I kept them on way. More than i probably should have often. And this is where you fight dead hand again and get the hover boots to cover. It was like really fast. The which is like you don't have to go through the dungeon for this. They let you walk on air for a few seconds before you fall. But y'all come no traction yeah true. Yeah you get used to it. And i never did. I didn't wear. I had to then. I took them off immediately. The temple a yes. So the shadow temple is historically wear. The sheikha kept an award. P- rulers of the royal family. So enemies at the royal family would be kept down there and It's theorized that all those re dads are actually a former soldiers of the army makes sense about up especially since their enemies again door so he wouldn't have wanted them just to you know he's torturing them essentially turning him into these. I don't think i truly don't believe that. Gannon dorf made the rita's. I think that they were created by the royal family To protect the shadow temple. And that's just like my migrelief that may not be true but There's a lot of evidence in the shadow temple that And if you look at the other games to that be re dad's were were made by the royal family of the sheikha specifically and i think like some of the descriptions of the reloads or early that they're guarding something. That made everything croupier in the shout. Fucked up but i never. I never thought it was like a prison or a torture plays. I just thought it as the oldest dungeon a temple temples or something before. It's it's taboo for the royal family to talk about the shadow temple because of lake the history that it has ears. There's torture equipment everywhere like when you walk in there there's those like crosses and there's blood everywhere viscera getting cheaper like things in the middle for the sodium and there's also symbolism in the temple from the royal family so i believe that the royal family also knew about it. I make everything locker. Yeah that's interesting alexis okay. So here we are. We're ready for the bongo bongo theory so when you look at bongo bongo. What do you see a disembodied torso hands and this is coming out of its neck hole. My theory is that the man who wielded the lens of truth was caught by the sheikha tortured interrogated had his hands cut off had his head cut off. Became bongo bongo. I'll buy it. Yeah i can definitely see that. Because he wouldn't appreciate it what he was doing. So some dangerous magic. That would allow him to do a lot of things that they wouldn't want him to do. And especially if they have. This temple is such everything is hidden in this temple. It will give him full of wages to run to the temple. Have no problem with. Yeah absolutely could've gone in there and taken out royal enemies or anything that makes everything a lot darker until the knowledge. I never really thought. I mean i guess as a kid i never really thought much about the temples them than just being temple but the thing that each one would add some kind of use in this world some of some sort like they were real pleased with it in the coming these temples. Absolutely you know the fire tumbles. Just you're inside of volcano like if something for the goran's this is a torture chamber before couple was maybe somebody's house by it's interesting. Yeah and the water temple in the spirit temple. Spare temple the goddess of the sands. So that's like that being used as a place of worship for the scotus which you you see statues her throughout the temperature like that's not a stretch at all bongo bongo fight. I like it You have a shoot his hands to stun them and then hook his eye of the hook shot and close to you and stunning narrow or that barros. He'll spit up more errors l. I really like your three. The holy intellect. That's cool to think about that. I never thought about that until just now. So go is man. 'cause like a growing up like i didn't look at him and sailor let's the torso with ted off but lake when you look at an article like holy shit. Yes you can see it. I can kinda talk not now. He was beheaded. Yeah yeah absolutely and And he's still got truth is eyeball living in his neck now and you can only see what the truth. You can't see them without a plus you have one room where you didn't fire or fire arrows of to destroy the wooden barricade is by the crusher also helps and there's a region that room was also kind of supports what she would you know she was saying about mb enemies real pro family that were that And turn into it. If i did put a lot of thought i mean. They're probably put in a game two when they made it. Not just us theorizing. Twenty years later. I feel like you know at the time. Maybe they didn't think about it but like when they do you think about it makes sense however also the scheme is extremely detailed. so there's a lot like they put that similar in their of the royal family stuff in temples. I wasn't accident absolutely. i mean. There's a mango that came out with. Came out when the game came out or one of some of it did civil war thing you're talking about. That definitely came out around the game tomorrow and shadow temple. That is the the boat that goes to the shadow temples. Really scared me as a kid. I know You know okay. So if we look at i think it's cussin' wanna save greek or roman mythology where there's like a boat that takes you and haiti's greek. It's karen's boat. Yeah there you go Right meal out of that. And i don't know that bo just really freaked me out. I have no idea why spread creepy. I think it's definitely meant to mimic the the ferry. The dead that problem. Yeah i'd buy that to. Which i i like all that great stuff a lot and i'm just watching the plane of the channels. Actually that crossing. You're talking about the people they would have changed somebody up on the ground. I did before anything actually charlton before we move onto the next part of the game. So emba is is the sage. i mean. we didn't really talk about that. The sages for a fire in the water bowl but fire. Yup the main characters who made his child and empa- being these sage for the shadow temple with that theory that the sheikha use it to interrogate and torture actually make sense. It makes me wonder if maybe Raised princess l. That they're after they escaped the Kessel michelle temple. Yeah yeah i mean gannon. Dorf would have been looking for him. Can you got the the the sheikha. I of truth symbol. That's on like all of their clothing. that would make sense with the lens of truth to appoint imagine a childhood growing up in the shadow temple. No wouldn't be very good. I don't think i want to do that. Like no watch out for the the visible floor. Don't need to come down. Save you from the read. Ed's again Men that would be really creepy bet but added hide somewhere in this world named after and it you know fair to believe that they stayed in high role. They didn't leave and go to terminate or something. I don't think it is real but to like it. You know so absolutely and got you. I'm looking at boggle right now yet. Doesn't beheaded okay. I definitely your theory. I like your theory to okay and then after vicious when you go to you finally go to rules but you have to go there as an adult because you need pona to get there which is also i think just when he meets a dumb ass carpenters at you. You get you get their new you need. How do i get rescue carpenters. And he decided to run away to go live with the band the all all smell plant thinking they would accept that there is getting off to live with the jury sexy women. I don't like that's too much of a stretch. I would say stretch at all. I mean like same. I would be one of those carpenters. I'd be like please out. I was like they just think they'll set them without like they're not gonna accept there like there's there's a bunch of women living here and there are no men. We can definitely go there. They notice us like if like young men. In highschool sneaking wins locker rooms like stupid linked over will. But i had forgotten about the whole part in this game of around. You're trying to rescue them. I throw you gonna sell but you keep all your quick. Just throw unisel foot sexy. Fight you to do. I got my ass handed me a couple of times in the fights. I forgot have a one hit. Koa tactic do that. Knocks you out. If they not fucking around they they know their shit. Nina you out really quickly. And i love them. I i like how you can like. I was shooting them in the sneak around a hit him. I hit him with arrows or hook. Shot the knockout. So you can get past them to try to find the four carpenter and every time you find a carpenter. You're talking to go look behind. You and i was pretty certain for a while. There are only three carpenters. Because it took me for fucking ever to find the fourth one. Internet your friend. Yeah like remember before when we didn't have the internet and he had to go do that shells that i spent a lot of time matt as a child i had this reggie guy for the your god struggled in your life mike. You're group as fortress. He finally got to go to the spirit temple After you wander in the desert for a little bit part is okay. Desert colossus watering the desert with the lens. A true trying to find out where to go and follow the poets okay. that's fine. have you like how after you rescue all four they. Here's your membership card. You can be with your. It's okay we wanna right. We won't throw you in a cell again. I like that lead. Game recognizes game makes. I mean make something done something to also part of the my desk i i had no issue on any level and then like the holy running to get to this. I think that's spirit. Cool how you have to get you get to the spirit temple but you can't actually do anything in it. I get there because it's sealed and you have to leave then. Sheikha her she shows up and teaches you the song and then you have to come back as a kid and where you get to at nibiru. The leader of the number of the girl they talk about the princess of gannon dorf when you are an adult in the training grounds Because after what happens when you're a kid that turns her into on gannett or side. I guess essentially she gets brainwash. I i forgot about a lot about that. Little part where you go through half the dungeon as a kid. And then you go through the rest of it as an adult. Ed forgotten. all of this. I like it though she sends you get the gauntlet but makes you give them to me. They don't fit you. give them to me. I did enjoy that part up. An anew watcher again can opt by human co take so kumar koce. They're also majority math. I'm assuming not the same characters. They're not They're sisters maderas masks in good guys. They're only evil in oak arena. There there are the surrogate mothers of gannon dwarf. Oh all right ever. I never knew that. Teach me all sorts of new things. I so twin. Rove is my favorite boss in time. It's such a cool idea. Yes big sexy lady. Throw five is my dumb cro-magnon brain is just like yes. This is good rock instantly. Four timeless graphic would have been really good at the time as a kid to fight iron. Knuckle and i i really like your knuckle fights even only kicked my ass couple times. I got hurt. And i'm like oh there's enough on. But that's the final mini boss of the of being a kid. You fight a giant iron knuckle which has got a some kind of armed with a big ass hand or a big axe. That's cutting now pillars at give you hearts and trying to kill definitely are scary for hurts of davidge when it hits you pretty brutal. It's a fun. I i just. I didn't realize it till the playthrough how much i really enjoy fighting doing in this game it's good the pfizer goodness game for sure. And then after you beat the knuckle you get the gauntlet. Then you see captured in little portal and then you have to go back as an adult which which. I'm happy that you just tell us your backyard. And you'll have to run to the desert and i like the whole like were you when you get here in adult you just to the right. Where when you come into the kid he goes to the left or a little ole and as an adult this pillar and go the rest of on your of in the same year in the same temple you revisit and some of the same rooms and a couple of times the big statue with the outstretched hands. You hold chest for you later. I had forgotten a lot. I also one of the big like empty holes for me of this game. Where i had no recollection of the spirit temple for some reason because he didn't play fossil water temple didn't want her. Yes i just. I just said no memory releasing the shadow temple but even less. We just didn't as a kid. We didn't play a lot. I play just with rich from. That's been on the show a few times. He was the one that i played it for all of us and helped us get everything. He used to go to people's houses and beat the water. Come where people could. They wouldn't do it. Start charging for that. He went to multiple people's houses multiple kirkwood. Beat the move. He did it for me too. God partly why he doesn't go past. Actually i didn't play it. And i i was really cool. I i really like it a lot. It's good temple and it. It's not too challenging. But it's very interesting and you love. All every temple has a very different look to again. So i look i think it looks really cool. Yeah absolutely liquor and the twin role five. I you fight coleman coattail where they you have to like deflect their fees them which. I had a hard time with but then after that. That's when you fight to enroll. The halina had a crush on her. I i think but. I can't remember that Heavy seen her out. I can't remember he so can you. It's a different game fair but can real real real curvy and has two pigtails of fire and ice. Only what it's also deflecting a blast like it's it's a fun fight it is. It's a really fun fight. All the ball game are pretty. Good though i like when mid when they finally die and they separate again kumiko take bill. Are you as each other on. Who is younger. Even though they're twins and at the very end they select debt Goes flying up in at the end. They're like we're gonna come back you as they're flying away on your mask no crack out in that temple this when you have all the seals and this when you finally get to go back to castle you can then enter what. now if gannon's castle high rules outages. I i like. I like um ganz because i had no memory whatsoever. But it wasn't. It was fine. It was kind of fun. I don't have a whole lot of memory about gains castle either because they really loved the temples. I really didn't like the castle. So i always just stopped after the spirit temple. I mean it's not very long. The puzzles are pretty quick. Through to get everything you go through rooms based on each of the medallions each of the temples basically have to go through and shoot a light arrow into. Oh yeah we kind of skipped over something before this. Someone gives you the later rose. Oh yeah we did where you sell the finally for show or seek cheek finally shows herself as zelda nothing later then immediately she gets captured by gannon. You see you see link. Go into a panic. When he takes off it was i mean he was like but but cheek but we had a relationship Whether a lot of boroughs. I want her bro. Role happen bro. You get yeah that's okay. It's a dumb jokes only might get to the really dumb comic. They keep making this joke. There's a really dumb hawkeye comic. That with the hawkeye showed me based on where they keep saying bro. All day time and it's really messed. It's okay you don't wanna know what about them. So yes thank you gives you the shoot 'em in these leg floating walnuts and break all the barriers so you can actually go up to where gannon is. And he's playing his kick ass oregon was. You're climbing the stairs. Fun is surprising that he so into music. You get to fight a lot of dino folks on your way up to liz afoot stronger i guess or something. I mean getting more dueling. I was happy any time i get to do. I was happy in this game. It's really your shield. They attack and then attacking media late absence inspired by. I heard i read. I saw one of those words. I believe with the internet told me so yes i will never lied to me but iron uncle to which is fun one point on the way up they stay quiet and let you hit him and the one and only fan on like i'm not gonna hit balls. Which would be a bad then. You go play tennis with gannon. He shoots this little energy ball back at you. I had a really hard time with this fight. And he. he has the most interesting noises. He's like just like dennis. It's amazing And he can't lock on them either. Yeah because What is it says like. He's disrupting her ability to help or something emanating some kind dark force that pushes away says she can't help you lock on. I was a little annoyed that i couldn't walk. We made a fight a lot. That's the point. I wasn't knowing really don't need to have to swing to hit the ball. I kind of audio tracks. If so many times and i like it took me a while because one i kept missing because i was i kept forgetting. All you got. Pulled out mike. It takes longer the story. That home chief. What had a hard time with this fight. A lot of states. You interested states. So i beat this game legit before the podcast on the three s. So we got time for that. I got too much of course. But i still have fun like i. I i do like this fight. Zelda in pink crystal heated zelda's character design has an adult. She better and she's way better. He can downgrade. But then you hit them. I also screwed up a couple of time. Raffray bounce back and forth you have to quickly hit him with a light arrow and then hit him with your hook shot or long shot and then beat the crap out of them for a couple of for a second to hook onto most random jumped over the whole. So that didn't happen. I struggled. i struggled a lot in this game. But i don't know why it's not that hard of a game i feel like it's not compared to some stuff we played. I mean not like the enemies are endless in this game. They just they make you escort missions every single. Find your plane. Nothing like that. So i'll talk about that next week. But he does some challenges. It's still really fun. So hold up just fine from ninety eight so for your shelter box and anything to say about deandre He's a punk bitch accurate. Nor have i have nothing to say He's he was a great character. They did a great job with them on a lot. I can say about the the last. Don john it i. I don't know it's just kind of a replay. The other ones. It wasn't super interesting to me. Yeah yes love. And i enj- running down the stairs. Cer- fell tuber long. Yeah scored zelda l. Game metro yeah. It's totally odroid. List is not a time limit. Is there minutes. There's nothing really that affects you like. I don't want you fight a couple of things but it's all a pretty quick. You don't really have kosova issue. It asked like how when you get down there after you the tower. Gander gannet takes away your mattress or at first next and you're doing a disservice to the beast that is gone. And he he turns into a boar like creature that as huge from the vegas. We've seen him up to this point again. And i remember the big giant fake looking. I love the best when it's cool fight either giant blades. And he's trying to any takes away your master storage. It's a hit him with a megaton hammered. I detail. I think i'm record. Yes you replace him. It is cool. And you're surrounded by fires Selva can't help you. I love the idea that gannon is like what what he what he can become because he accesses power. I guess you had the big the big one in get the bigger on or this time really didn't do do any side stuff like i got. The sculptural passed on and that was about it. I want you to join us this playthrough. Or deny i didn't either. I was more focused on the goal. I was gonna get eros. But then i decided i didn't do it. Yeah they're not worth it. I'm glad that they are always in the bogut more treatment and majority i ask the more of a focus. Yeah for sure You can go fishing. Not not to which they got the global scale which. I also. I tried to do that. I did try and after like twenty minutes. I'd never mind. I don't care there. He has a pretty helpful upgrade fairness like it just wasn't i got some stuff but i didn't go after that i didn't go after ice arrows said spending any else extra. I didn't bother. I didn't really go after heart pieces. Either i found him. I found him. I think it all the great varies. Those i got the extra matched meteorite got the hearts that are using delicate balance Good stuff. I like the great fairy stuff and i love the end of this game. A shelf the sword right measure right in his head or something. Yeah it's not quite as birtles. It isn't windbreaker waker but Yeah he's like kinda shoves under his face slow but it's cool doesn't immediately die after it gets shoved into his face which i want think he would die instantly when something's shoved in your face like that if it goes through your brain which did survive. I mean big team and bore. Yeah yeah a lot more than a demon board like if you play skywards fan never have you. But i can't tell you let some of it is something to do with skyward sword. Yes the worst sell the. I'm going to play it here. At some point it just will not be with a we. Moat so soared. Gannon's revealed to be the incarnation of the hatred of the demon king demise carrying this attornal loathing theory towards the goddess. And her hero are. We didn't talk about the goddess all throughout this game for the long s. Cutting the beginning deca trees like. Hey i'm dying. I'm going to tell you this. Twenty minutes story about the goddess lewis. Yeah i mean. I remember it from the pass instruction booklet for created the earth new creatures who inhabit the earth and the laws of the land to be upheld by creatures of the years before it works. Okay if they are cool autumn. I wished i always thought there'd be more with them in this game. But i guess it makes sense that they're not i do like how in the final fight with gannon. Zelda uses her power to right before you stabbed him in the head with your sore which i forgot about something what school she teaches music and then does something at the end and then you get the the cut scene at the end which is beautiful and makes me cry. Every time reunited not not our giving the part where she's like thanks for saving us back to being a kid e how traumatic. There's a half to be where you're than like 'cause i feel like you would have a memorabilia adult and also your back in your in your kit body fluids and try to kill yourself. I'm gonna send you back in time. Now it no i love you say oh yeah i wouldn't. I don't think i'd want to go back in time. You know i'm good. I can skip this adolescent time. This anything he missed puberty. I mean that would really fuck with you to like. I think the holiness said earlier where like you make you totally cut out yeah you. He was gone. Apps okay. What was the last thing i said that came through said earlier. And then you start to say and then continue on. Now thanks to problems. Internet franken after you kalina saying earlier whole idea that you know. He's put back in time and like how has got like fucked with them so much. I think that's what i was going for us a lot of theories online. That link doesn't speak because he has complex post traumatic stress disorder. We got the memories of all the links of the game. Before i honestly late. That wouldn't shock me. I also this is like for the timeline. Wise this is where everything splits a three different timelines that come around this point of time. Paradoxes or that the one timeline where he defeats gannon as an adult and stages an adult the one time line where he goes back to being a kid and no one knows about what he did what i was gonna say that got cut off was clean and mention how no one knows that he saved the world and what i put before skype was so mean route to me. You and no one knows that he saved the world s to go back to you. Know that iro castletown and see all those people who were like rita ed's and like all these things he's like. Oh i've seen what happens when this all goes to hit. But i just have to act like nothing is wrong and is kind of fucked up. You were right when you originally said does that you. Would i think definitely this game. And i'm not sure how i feel about it. But you were right game and really fucking style. i mean it's just so traumatic. Think about like. I never really thought about it much until you know. We're playing through. Like the idea is being sent back in time and everything at a fucked up you know after we get off this call. You should probably go get some hot chocolate or brass. I mean to sit down for a dog for a walk. We get done recording the city. Knock down next to me looking at me wondering why we're not talking but thing are any lots things we should say about game before we move onto questions. A great ferries did nothing wrong. And i love them out a little too. So that's fine. I love them. The lancet gets me too. Yeah exactly it's more than anything. I wish i could do that up. i was at. It's not your pear soon enough. Okay incredible scantily clad giant women. Stick to the bob girl all right. Let's go to question memory and conscience. I got a few from the over blood group. A first one. I'm gonna read from devon lake. This game came out when i was fourteen. Had just discovered pot helped me a much more. And i was able to get immersed in it had never done so before any other game. I was pretty obsessed with it for. I don't think it holds up as well as majorities mass because of the pivotal pivotal time. In my life that game released it does make it highly nostalgic for me. And i can't help but think finally of it can't. I don't really know if i like this more majority math. I'm not really sure concerns. Math fight. I used to call bullshit zelda game but now i really like it. Yeah you betty here. The only reason we both the reason why either korean amateurs matthew on the show because of you. So i'm thankful to me for introducing these high quality games of you. Didn't you the reason. I actually played withdraws match for the first time so i'm happy you did that. Now you have to listen to the soundtrack going to actually still angry about it. Can you tell and this one from friend of the show. Amanuel never actually played the original sixty four game with a three s. version of my favorite legend of zelda game real valley theme is the one of the best songs in the game in any case. Yes but see what else i got here from. Brian spindler. I wanna beat accurate. A time didn't remember that. I did it until i got the last boss. Remember then. shut the game off. I don't get that. I don't get how you can you know. Beat a game and have no memory. You beat it but then again. That does not that quickly i mean. I've i've forgotten many games. That i'd be like list but this one from tim smith in fourth grade. I wrote the beginning of wrote the beginning. Curious section cleaning diku dungeon and lost my creative writing story and my teacher loved it nassar. She could submit it to a writing contest eventually after stolen from a game. I was playing. That are right and then this one from jo maura therese sue. I've been playing akron a time rand miser for well over a year now. I've played it so many times that i've forgotten where everything is in the normal game so much though. Yeah let's get. You never played his randomized. When i have no interest to young. I couldn't do the game like this. I could see it was like a metro vania type game but not something like this all right. Got some from the zelda hub group. I'm going to read from jasmine lewis. All i can say. I hope when go to matures mask. Okay honey all right from crystal whitlow. I remember being mesmerized by the title screen. I had no idea the venture. I was about to embark on would live until deeply within me to this day. I always find myself going back to this game. Even if i play for just a few minutes at a time when my best memories live with the scam. That's right for a lot of people though because this is such a good game. That really just stayed with everybody. Here's a good one from joel. Peters i hate the owls fire of a thousand suns i try to hold your sex babba keenum to save and vitaly clicking. The option to here is whole speech over again. I think my is harder than he. Rosen's head hate him so much. I don't bother me this time. And last set of group i'm going to read all the fans From michael london a classic for sure. And here's a good one katori richardson. My mom introduced me to a time over. Twenty years ago came home from school one day and she was playing it and since then i couldn't leave it alone. Let's we it. I like when people especially when you know. I feel like sometimes know our generation like the parent and understand gaming much so it's always well. My dad play gave me put on games but hey she pretend that's introduce might ask really my love for game so she did do that. Which is wonderful from rachel. Friend my favorite random gen from this game. I love it. I love that. When young young link us the highlands shield goes turtle go but offer militia cleland. I remember playing the so much that it would drive. My brother's bonkers. They would hide it. I would watch them play and still couldn't get through the water temple Right and last one. I'm gonna read from michael county. One of my favorite games. One hundred percent then tried to make it harder by by beating only three harsh no upgrade. I no no. But i mean as a cool thing that the game let you do that like you can choose if you don't wanna get anything and do it that way. So that's a that's a very. I like the fact that is there anything else we say. I think we should go to shelter box just shelter box of self stocks trying now for your three of this show. I guess you can say all right. Explain explain so selfish for the high gear games games as you won't have easy access to it all time. The boxes for games that you don't need that and then the stakes were games. This you're probably gonna play at some point but they can just kinda sit in the stack of games next to the the shelf. So they're still out but you they're not on the the the highest here. I guess it's this nice gray area between shelf or box sign new. We decided we should add for this show and mix it up a little bit all right and and wanted you go for sure. Shelf stocker box. No i don't think guess is going to surprise anyone shelf Prominently in front Maybe framed copy. This is dame that started it all for me. So yeah i yeah shelf. Okay how much you might so this is going to go on the stack Like i i definitely understand why people love it and why. It's praised so hard. But like i said before we serve recording like i hate every temple in this game i get lost so easily and i think a lot of it just comes from them being freedom apps. Because i've always been a two-day zelda guy so we're gonna play zelda. It's going to be one of those. But i will. I'm sure i'll play this again. Sometimes i'll put it in the stack. So i know where it's at okay and i'll go last. I'm gonna put this on the shelf as much as i still really love scamming light plate anytime soon. Probably not for a few more years but it always feels so good to go back to before we did this podcast start meant to start at replay it and just never i would start it but i would never get very far. I would just do the. I do stuff with a child and i just turn off the game like a year later. I go back and do the child thing again. Turn off the game all over again and such a good game though but like going through it in for this being with talk about it much. More depressed about the game ever was before. He's such a good game and play it. I mean unfortunately is not everywhere. I think you mean you can't get on switch like you should be able to because intendo but you can get the three d. s. version. You can find for twenty dollars which is well worth it. I think it's definitely the best to play it. You no three s holds up way more than originally i think with a few quality life upgrades that really also the water temples easier a little bit because they change a couple of things where you can't and they got to which i think too there's no reversion to completely trap game all right. I think that about wraps up this section. I think we should say what we're playing next week. Though and i'll i'll now since my pick we are going back to two thousand two again. We were playing robotech battlecry because if the game that i played kid and i always wanted to finish 'cause young mike liked it so it must be good now. I've been wrong ever before. You're gonna ask me what i'm playing next week. What are you playing games got. It nailed it games with people in my life games with with people around me. Who should all right anything else like that about wraps should go to plugs. I'll i i wanna thank cleaning for coming through joining us again for this game way more pleasure i ever fill. Depression deadly premonition and silent hill. Two so wanna give shots are awesome. Insurance ultra courtesy of bobby aka. Mike stony from his ep bite. The bullet song schoolkids kids coop. Definitely check him out as youtube channel and if you enjoyed the show we have tons of other game episode redone you. We covered majority mass. In the early twenties we covered links to pass up fifty so kept. Moore's l. to for you to listen to and also we do comics. We do move. We are currently going through. The issue will be in recently released age of altron. I think you're out around the time you listen to this. 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The Kist & Solak Show #44: Eagles Embarrassed by Saints
"They. Hi, this is Jim chica- our podcast step over will be ballers podcasts that work for all of your Sixers needs. Says game breakdowns with a course in headband and more subscribed. Liberty Bowers podcasts heathen, I tune Stitcher sparked by or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball. Mostly. Michael kissed Benjamin. So it's the Kistin Solex show presented by SP nation and leading nation. You are not flying high on the kissed end so lack show. This is forty four. Brought to you by the fine folks at Espy nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host Michael kissed following at Michael kissed NFL as always during the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin so lacked band, man, I I know every day's a good day to be alive, but this one feels just a little less good. How you doing brother? It's a good day to be alive. It's just for other reasons that are not to the podcast relative to to a forty eight two seven loss by the eagles to the saints worst worst loss in history for defending Super Bowl champion while really. You're just pumping on all types of fun stats pre show at now you hit you trade traits. Trae Thomas tweeted that out shadowed try. It was Mike Rafah who said that seven points for the fewest. The eagles have ever scored underdog Peterson twenty four first half. Points were the most surrendered under Doug Peterson. It was the worst game the have played in a pass three years. Yeah. Total letdown total let down on the road. Not let down like didn't even expect them to play that. Well, just would have been like nice for the offense to string together to good plays men. They nobody like you. Don't get the sense that anybody on the team things that the team is good. You know what I mean? Like like, no one's. Nobody's like, you know, raw boom by nobody's got much fight to him, which can hardly blame him. The team is very very bad right now. Then you know, who's playing worse in the in the league right now, very very small teams play worse than us right now. Yeah. And it's and it's sad. Speaking of the offense. You know, we expected some sort of life from them or needed to see some sort of life before it got to the point will where nobody would give a darn what you did for the rest of the season because when it came to the games that mattered. They came very very short. They opened this game up with a three and out. There was the third down screen to Josh Adams, which I was not in love with and we'll get into play calling and everything like that. But I thought I should should've put it in winces hands and let him make a play downfield in that specific situation. I think there are people criticizing things that aren't necessarily the problem when it comes to the play calling in other situations. But again, we'll get into all that second drive. The they get a big return from Corey Clement. They go three and out. Then the third drive was the interception where the saints have on what they call drop kick coverage, and the eagles are running very common concept that we've talked about on this show to two man route combination of play action with a post route. And you get the over route coming from the other side, and what defenses can do to combat this is they can run. What's called the drop? Kick coverage where the safety will come up. And what happens is that corner. That was on the deep crosser can then kick back to a deep zone to also help. Out with that post route. And that's what you saw for. Marshon lattimore. So you saw him fade off of the off the cross or pass that off and then get back to the post. Route underthrown intercepted by Marshall. Lattimore really bad start for the offense bad start and bad game. For Carson Wentz. Just in that situation alone. Not confirming post nap that cornerback is a threat to drop back to that deep zone. Something that's been a common theme for him. Lately. Not confirming post nap in my opinion, anyway, but really slow start and for a team that really needed show some life in the first quarter. This was definitely not been. Yeah. It comes down to the fact like, you know, so he said are you Josh Adams screen call? And Carson Wentz. An interception down the field. Nelson Igor kind of not going to me that football. And you know, deep dropbacks in the pocket leading to sax on third and three right? We're gonna talk about that. By the way to go ahead. Right. Say, hey, here's the thing. Like, Mike Hourigan upset. During the game. So we were talking to each other. Because a everybody's very frustrated at heels are losing. And so everybody's just kind of wantonly critical. Just just have hazardously critical every play that has a poor result. Independent of how the results came to be right? Just poor poor analysis for process and it's frustrating when. Like beat reporters. Analysts who are relied upon to give good analysis kind of feed into the frenzy of obviously very upset. And and rightfully so fans that are upset with how the teams performing they feed into that negativity by just criticizing everything from from stem to stern criticizing play calls, despite the fact that they've liked play calls like that other circumstances had done. Well, criticizing wide receiver play in quarterback play. When it's. Oh, I it lacks like true depth of analysis. Whenever the moral of the story is this in my opinion. You can't lose to a team forty eight to seven unless literally everything is right. You can like you. You know, like, we, you know, I I'm sure you've got this going on right now. Mike, I people my mentions asking me I when we fired Peterson. I people ask me when we fired him shorts. People asking me if we cut Aguiar N Tate. So we can assign tyrel Williams. I people asking me on another go on a care member. Now where it's so weird because this team in this coaching staff is fairly close to the team in the coaching staff that wanna Super Bowl things have obviously not gotten right this season. Doesn't mean burn it all down, right? Wherever wherever you are listening to the pike s gentlemen, if I may impose upon you exercise think for a second about why it's so disappointing that the eagles are playing this poorly. The answer is because we've come to expect much. More from them. And why we come to expect much more for them because the data we have on the key players of this team includes a Super Bowl win includes a dominant twenty seventeen season. So the reason that they're such a strong instinct to say, you know, screw it like this is awful Yuna blow. It up is. Because we expected so much more. This is such a drastic is significant perilous drop off a huge delta between expectations and reality. It's how you get coaches who survive in thrive in mediocrity late Jason Garrett Jeff Fisher more Lewis lovey Smith. So they named who were longstanding coaches without great success. That's how they stick around for so long as because they meet expectation. So there isn't this fierce disappointment during the season because you expect from them mediocrity and you get mediocrity. And sometimes it's a little worse sometimes the little better. But you never thought it was going to be. Otherwise, we just want our first Super Bowl. Of course, we thought that meant everything had changed. Now, you have a team that is underperforming. Relative to talent levels underperforming relative to coaching ability. They're they're not getting lucky. They're not executing. They're not playing with fantastic effort than playing with great discipline. The play designs aren't as good. Carson Wentz is taking a step back. The office of lies with injuries the defensive secondaries dealing with injuries. There was a coaching talent drain. There's ninety five Jillian explanations for what's going on in each one of them is true certain degree. But the reason that I think that there's such a fervent, and and passionate pissed off reaction is because unlike we have ever previously experienced as eagles fans, we came to expect something better we thought that this coaching staff. This this quarterback this offense of line, this defense, whatever it was was another now that we didn't have to deal with massive disappointments from our football team. And as it turns out, of course, that's not the case. And it will never ever be the case. You know, ever like like like, you know for a long time like a team like New England has staved this off. And it seems like maybe finally might becoming for New England. You know, they're struggling a little bit. This year. Brady's got retire. And then they're come up. What is do will be done, you know? And so I think that we have to knowledge that number one. The problem is everything if this was a team that like if the eagles have hung tight with the saints on offense and the defense what has able to buy a stop in the fourth quarter, again, it'd be a little bit easier to say the problem was still the defense. And if you know the eagles defense was able to get some surprising stops against the saints generate some more pressure and the off it's only put up seven points. It'd be a little bit more easy to say. Like some have been saved at the promise. The offense reality is the vehicles got pants for sixty straight minutes is because the entire team is playing poorly right now. However, you know, if you were to look exclusively at the past four games of the season, you'd be positive that Frank Reich. Was the absolute offense of mastermind Philadelphia. Doug Peterson was a total of fake and a crutch in a a, you know, a poster not as I am just a fake. I can't remember the idiom I wanna use whatever if that's gonna four-game sample size. If you look at the twenty game sample size from the past two years. It's very clear that Doug Peterson is a fantastic. Offense of minden deserves a ton of credit you on to mean. So you can be narrowed on the four games if you want the wealth of data says that this is a team that could be very very good could be contending. They're not playing that way right now there's a ton of problems to fix Tom players need to get healthy. There's there's some serious introspection necessary from the front office, the coaching staff alike surprises it'll happen. But the problem is everything. And the reason it sucks much is because not, you know, eight calendar months ago. The problem was nothing. Right. And so it's been a drastic turnaround. We have definitely forgotten as a fan base how to deal with these types of situations in some of your actions that we're going to get to the reactions. We're gonna get. Three words where we have probably were what is all five hundred responses who's five hundred forty responses last time, I checked so. Yeah, that's that's that's wild and been dialing back to some of the criticisms that were laid on this game in lot of are totally valid is even pointed out the screen pass. I didn't like put in his hands. But like for instance, you get this third in three with four minutes in the second quarter. The eagles are down seventeen to seven in. Jeff mclean. Tweeted out quote players to execute coaches have to put players in the best area to succeed that's four down territory. The only thing that takes it out of the equation is sack. Didn't like the call. Here's the thing about that. Call you can't take a sack, right? So leave in a seven-man protection. We play action pre snap motion shows you that. It's man coverage Zakar first PJ Williams. I am taking that matchup and that protection a thousand times out of thousand if that's what I'd get. Right. So. Put hurts in wins in a position to succeed. Stephen was new sqi playing out of position at centre got beat by Sheldon rankings who is a monster. And we talked about him a bunch in the preview show. The other team makes the play sometimes I have zero interest. None in result based analysis designed to fit a narrative, even if the truth over consume of what you're saying is true using that example for me does not compute, and it doesn't add Vance the conversation at all. And I'd get it. We get pissed off when we went to put blame somewhere because it makes us feel better about the chaos that is, but we need to stop with calling everything that doesn't work bad in everything that works, for example, something like Josh Adams that is on touchdown run this perfectly blocked up something like that as something that shows that Josh Adams, for instance, is a feature back because I saw those takes too on the other side of the spectrum we need to be better at having those conversations and not just yelling at each other. That. Needs to be fired or this is because a, you know, a is because of be usually it's a much more nuanced conversation in football when it comes to that. So those the conversations that I like having with you, Ben because I know you're a rational person, and we like to go through logically and break them down not necessarily just say because you know, zero points were scored in the fourth quarter. It's all on the coaching. I mean, the execution was bad too. And it's been execution for a lot of the season. And you know, I don't I don't know where to place like like the big the umbrella of blame. But Ben these conversations that we're gonna have you know, as we progress through the season it as we look at the off season. But thing this this sucks now like you look at micro, and how can you justify what's going on with that offense compared to what it was last year? I mean Doug Peterson isn't going anywhere. So is Mike grow going to be the sacrificial lamb for what has happened so far this season? I mean, it's it's I think it's probably the likeliest move. The you can look at right now in terms of of a long-term move that there's a lot of good offensive minds in the. League and people who'd be excited to work with the Doug Peterson. With Carson Wentz. You're not gonna be bereft for options. Does it solve every problem? No. Who said kind of every problem is the problem here. It is important to know, you know, like a rising tide does lift all boats, though, in the sense that you kind of get the impression from Carson who had a really bad game that he's just trying to like power everything he's trying to get everything going like, you know, he fees feeling tons of pressure from the office of line. Obviously he's he's trying to make every single throw. And he's inaccurate. A lot of shortstop obviously took several deep shot two shots both of which turned in interceptions. As a matter of fact, which I don't hate you know, what I mean? Like, I can't you put a ball sixty plus yards down the field. You kinda need your wide receiver to help you out a little bit. Usually, you know, that's a must wide open. Your usually kind of making a jump ball contested catch situation McCarthy just generally struggled in the sense of escape ability and the and the ability to extend plays. It's not something we saw very much obviously had the picks and then Accu. Pursues all over the place and the own Carson's not inaccurate quarterback on Carson's not a quarterback who struggles to deal with pressure. Usually. I think it's simply the fact that he's feeling so much weight go down by two scores early to put this team on his back into into power of his offense. Carson a lot of pressure. I'm sure Doug is that very similar spot of were Doug is having the experience that it ain't as smooth sailing as it was last year in the scripts certainly aren't turning out the production as they were. There's no doubt of the quick touch ideas. The RPO ideas all quick short game stuff is not turning out the same production yards after the catch. He does not have the same running game on which he could kind of rely for short yardage situations. And so you know that Doug probably also under a lot of pressure in that regard in Doug feels the onus on himself to do at time. And that's why you get like, you know, first ten reverses to go to tape in an abusing eight yards. And that's why you get third in eleven screens that only end up getting ten yards. You kind. Get he tried to. You've Carson is trying to make everything happen. I think Doug who's kind of trying to get the the the burden off of Carson's back a little bit in that regards. I'm sure grow is dealing with a tunnel pressure though, he doesn't call plays. So it's mostly just weakened weak out stuff. He obviously has to step into huge shoes. Same thing goes for press Taylor ozzy's setting in John D full of both shoes. So you get the sense that if one domino were to fall become easier on any of the others for the offense. I mean. I have to deal with Subaru your day with health issues now in the offense of line in the sense that Jason Peters is clearly playing sixty five percent Kelsey goes out who guy was new skin there on the office of line struggle for the entirety of the game. I think we get in weaken. A a lot of people right now are touching back on the golden Tate trade, and yeah, like I understand the logic behind the Tate trade is talked about the time. Like, you know, this was we believe Tate will bring enough to our offense to help us become more competitive with zero competitive the division, obviously, two games in a tapes, not taken a significant amount of snaps garnered a significant number of touches he had today. I feel like six hundred bucks for the. Yeah. Yeah. So for the risk of the third round pick and the potential for basically, just the rental, none the Compaq. It's tricky right now definitely doesn't seem like Tate's providing the offensive returns clearly that we would have hoped we did as far as solving the problem. So that's there. There's another criticism that goes on the front office is a front office that seeing their twenty. Seventeen third round big received. Douglas, get smacked around the rest of that twenty seventeen class in the logic walls, Nate, Gary and shown Gibson L pump free are not offering anything substantial twenty sixteen a big v window Smallwood, Jalen mills all had most wa petunias over the past two years to release average themselves. The starters and have been unable to you know, you got at twenty eighteen class that you were a little wont for early picks of God. It's getting on the field that much Maddox goes down with a knee injury. He was kind of a crowning jewel class. Nobody else's participating this front office. That's been struggling as well to do. Good things in the draft. Like, I said problems everywhere on I'm sure everybody's everybody's job. Get a lot easier once kind of the dam breaks and somebody's really able to elevate their play. The question is, you know, at one point that can come how much is that can affect things. Philadelphia. Does not seem like a team who's gonna beat the giants. Next sunday. Like, I I wouldn't anticipate them winning that game. So you know, I it's not so much about saving the. Season as it is just being able to get the ship righted a little bit. Yeah. And flipping sized could this getting toasted up come out of the game? Sidney Jones would come out of the game. Who else came out of the game of data would come out of the game? Jordan Hicks would come out of the game. Jason Kelsey would come out of the game. Rick Levada would come out of the game. It just goes the hits just keep on common. So I I don't know unlock the biggest sports fan. I like I've said before I don't anticipate him being here after the season. So I feel you I feel anger with him. I do I mean, I don't know what to expect them to do. This patchwork secondary with been the reports. Because people have changed numbers in in whatnot. We've got new guys in like devante Bosnian stuff as the Bosnian. I'm like who's forty one? I there was one point snap. I couldn't recognize like half the second. This is just ugly. Like, you said, though, when it comes down to, you know, the Deppish that this team had are made worse with those injuries because. The drafts have not hit from what it seems like a has just beyond Carson Wentz. Those guys aren't making meaningful enough contributions to a mask some of those injuries in come in. Do that next man up thing is not happening for us that way, and obviously the secondary's a special case because they're getting just a rash of injuries in one place. But I mean who has been fantastic in the secondary for us other than Malcolm Jenkins writing run in cloud who went out early in the season. None of them really have don't think Sidney Jones played. Okay. There were couple of times where he he got ate up little bit. But I mean, I didn't the Joneses. It's literally it Cindy Jones's rookie season. Yeah. And he's playing do positions in terms of slot and outside and trying to couple Michael Thomas. I'd get it. Yeah. You can kind of call it still Soules like rookie. He had some starts last year. It's weird. The thing about the the more interesting thing with Soules not so much how much he started experience as it's that. They have been as resistant as possible to giving him reps above Jalen mills, which with how mills played is not as strong indicator. Yeah. So, you know, juries very much so Allan Sydney guys had a lot of good reps and has had his fair share bad jobs. A lot of rookie corners have Seoul is a little bit more so book that we're just wondering if that's ever gonna pan out yet knows corner, obviously is going to be a massive need for Philadelphia in terms of with round RBM a contract year. Now, he's I art is either going to bring him back is going to be on one year deal. How cheap is it going to be even if it is for a one year deal where you're still gonna have the next year's you'd better start drafting a potential star corner. You know, we didn't even get to it. Like, you know, this was discussed during the game so much other just awfulness going on. But to McGill on Hester still awful muscles does super bad. Mark Ingram goes for a hundred yards. Like like Ingram Ingram rips off like a. Thirty four yard like opening run. It was thirty eight yards. And it was tastes hills ceiling Malcolm Jenkins tastes in hills, lined up tight doubles as a wide receiver. Like like, I said, they would I thought that was adorable. Any did it a couple of times, they use tastes hill so much? They were trolling the hell out of us in using. So many of those tendency breakers this second I'll tell you right now. Sean Payton does not like Doug Peterson which makes sense Doug Peterson the end up on a couple times on the golf course in whatever. But the second Sean Payton came out with like, eight minutes left in the second through a pass with tastes inhale up seventeen to seven a drive on which the saints would eventually punt and Philadelphia would get that third three in New Orleans territory. So it could have been ten seventeen fourteen seventeen whatever still doing the second pay in the second pay through Pasa taste hill on first in ten in the second quarter. If just pay insane to Peterson like you guys have no chance of winning this game. We can turn this faucet on. Like and take my MVP candidate out and put my special teamer because hill literally special teamer and quarterback because you guys this no chance, right? And let me like that. Like the that fourth seven touched on Alvin Kamara such a good example because the game is already salted away. It's fourth and seven and paying goes. Well, let's just make sure Kamara still really good at catching balls down the field, still fine. Without you wanna make sure which I begrudge him nothing on that young. I mean, that's like we would we would absolutely for that. If it was thirty seven Philadelphia lead like we would one hundred percent be going for that. So we have to be okay with with, you know, the the hand the care and a stick I suppose when it comes around to the other way very clear from the beginning. This defense was gonna be able to do anything to stop the saints between -ticipant did especially as they crude further injury. There was going to be very little chance. The the only way Philadelphia was gonna hang in this game was the offense really turned in a blockbuster performance. Which? We didn't anticipate in the pre game shows, and we didn't see out there. So that was a that was a drubbing that that wasn't too hard to see coming, man. I really I really hated to see draft crush trae on Smith who I painted have a breakout game have a breakout game. It was the least happy of ever fell. Like, I am happy this happening. But it's the worst feeling in the world him and Keith Kirkwood, lighten it up good. Idea. Not camp believe we under looked. He didn't mention once in the previews for obvious reasons. Ben, screw this man. Let's get to three words, and let's get out of here. We all know what it is. It was a bad game. We didn't show up. It's been that. It's been the case for a lot of the season now. And yeah, we just got blown out by very very good. Very hot football team that we are nowhere in the same tier of the season end. I don't think me or you've been full ourselves into thinking that we would be in the same tier on this field today. So let's go to three words there are five hundred ninety five responses as I'm looking at it right now, are you are at be dog. Ten fire this staff with four likes. What are you people doing the whole staff yell van Braam hill at buns? Bramhall says Sixers are good which they are. I was driving back from Purdue Wisconsin the other day, and I get off again. Like, I dropped my rental. Unlike open my phone. Just to like, see what's going on. I have a Jillian notifications of messages on whatever. And it was right after Jimmy bother hit that game winner against the Hornets. Beautiful thing I love Jimmy bothering makes me happy showing Lamont at eleven. The goat says top ten pick question work. Look like we've said before I wrote my first read article for bleeding green nation dot com today in an -ticipant of this Oko check that out talking about some Clemson defensive linemen that we could be that we could be looking at because we don't know what the future holds for brand Graham, Chris long, Michael Bennett after two thousand twenty who else to Jernigan. So we may need to replace some of those pieces lament defensive line go check that out but top ten pick is very possible. I don't know how many more games team is able to put together the season as the injuries continue in continue and continue and continue to rack up. I like this one trae Alexandersson at t- underscore Ray. Eighteen says fire dog kidding? But then he also puts the thinking face emoji one like this. So I don't know why. So kidding, right? But also is he kidding? Because of the face so trays keeping us guessing man now, here's one that goes to a larger theme of what happened today's from. Jim bene- check at J Benchick. He says divisions wide open. The reason that the division is wide open that we have not talked about yet to apply that we have this Alex Smith thirty three years to the day that Joe theismann went down with a broken leg. Alex Smith has suffered a gruesome, lower leg. Injury foot. Turn the wrong way feel awful for him. Because when I was a kid I thought his name was pronounced like vise -ment like at Ryan with Heisman. That's actually why he did it. No. That's why that's why he says. That's why these men people say advisement, I say I'd say amazement because when I was a kid I read out his thought, it was nice don't they say at like five though, do they said these men actually way I shouldn't trust anything you pronounce. Okay. Lemme look this up. He's a risking quarterback. I'm not a fan of him to any degree, and I pronounce it these men because that's how it was originally pronounced changed thighs men because he was in the Heisman race in college. That's what I remember being. Anyway, I'm reading up on this right now key to continue talking about the thing. But Washington is in serious trouble. Their offense of line is completely beat up as we talked about last week Brennan Scherf going down the Volvo going down. They have serious issues there, then they lose Alex Smith. And then the Dallas Cowboys win today against the Atlanta Falcons. And with the momentum that they have going that could be some serious trouble for the Redskins. If they can't hang on a they weren't able to tie up the game with the Texans. They tried a sixty three yard field goal that hit the bottom crossbar in pinged out. So they still almost brought that game to overtime even after being down to scores. Believe it was when Alex Smith went down with the something broke into four legged we'll call it that some. Yeah. To be land and fibula while I broke, dude. I broke my tibia and kind of look like that. But not nearly as gruesome, and that's bad. News bears us. Yeah. That's going to be a fun recovery for him. I feel awful for man. That's terrible. You know to see that happen anybody that was super gruesome now that was that was just absolutely dreadful and Aikman made this point somewhere between nine and four hundred thirty times during the broadcast with that added context, it really is just shocking the loss that because eagles could a law beat that be the Cowboys loss to the saints. Obviously the extent which they loss to the saints does add to it. But they'd be five and five point with the Redskins are likely gonna drop in the division. Whilst starting quarterback to huge disappointment eagles for not winning Cowboys game. Yes. So you know, you've got four more division games to the Redskins. If you beat the giants and you beat the Cowboys. You're technically still in business. I don't. This this team played really really badly. And that's that's that's not good because that's bad. So it's tough to believe that they're going to this like that Cowboys game was a game. Like, this is a must winner, and they came out really flat. And this was a game. It was like man like we really need to pick this up in the chemo Superfly. So like, you know, what kind of expect from him here? I don't know. So it was it's pronounced these men, and that's his given names these men and then yeah. For the Heisman push. They started pronouncing it FIS men while he was trying to win the trophy this story. Screw him than any of the three words that you like before we before we get the heck out of here and start to transition to guy we got review this all twenty two. I just man draft work is looking really appealing right now. Somebody said watching the notebook and posted a gif of that movie. And I really liked the movie makes me cry time. I like movies. That's not true. I hate them cry time. But I enjoy them. I closed down this darn thing. Because I got tired of reading all the fire Peterson takes and everything. Like that. Let's see let me see if I can grab one more before we before we get the heck outta here. Don Conway at Don Conway, junior body bag game. It's the reverse body bag game for the Philadelphia. Eagles historic game will go down. No it won't. It's not a historic game. Nobody's going to remember this game at all until we played the saints next year or something to that effect. Saint frigging good, man. They are dangerous and that pass defense was in at all the Swiss cheese that we thought it was going to I'm just depressed rambling. Now. Ben, can we please end this. You wanna say goodbye to the gentlest by gentlest this last vestige? Thank you as always for listening to the kissing. So I show here on BGN radio. We do appreciate you sticking with us and reliving. What was a data? Forget for Philadelphia. Eagles fans everywhere. As always Ivan Benjamin so lack on Twitter ad Benjamin. Soul. That's the case Michael cast on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K. I S T. It's thanksgiving week. 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