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Coronavirus Changes Everything, Again

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1:09:21 hr | 10 months ago

Coronavirus Changes Everything, Again

"The and welcome to little Goldman award season podcast from Vanity Fair. It's such an honors present this next award the nominees and the Scrupulous and I can't deny the fact that you like me there's mistake like you guys won best picture. I'm Katie Rich. The deputy editor of Vanity Fair Dot Com. I'm here in our various remote locations with our digital director Mike Cogan. Hey Katie our chief critic Richard Lawson hello and our senior writer Joanna Robinson Hi Katie When we recorded last week we kinda scratch what we were planning to talk about to talk about the cancellation of south by southwest. And what as of a recording less Tuesday seemed to be quickly escalating situation around a covert nineteen in the United States? I haven't gone back and listen to it. I don't think any of US truly expected to be where we are now on the way that the story has moved so quickly as kind of the defining aspect of things change on the hour by the minute. You kind of can't put down your phone in case someone. Other a celebrity gets diagnosed with it So we're here to talk about again the entire world being reshaped as it responds to current virus. We do have an interview that we're GONNA share at the end of the episode. Richard Talk to Zoe. Kazan the star of the plot against America. Which is one of many great. Tv shows that are out there right now for everyone to watch us. They can't leave their house. And I'm Richard. You guys talked actually in person. Probably the last in person interview will have on the show for a while so it's GonNa be historical relic. Yeah the last interview ever. I'm surprised that we were so confused. We given that we've had such clear consistent messaging from the powers that whole thing. I mean we should have known exactly what to do and say oh. Well yeah exactly. How the movie theaters? We're going to close so we'll talk about the plot against America but we really. We should just talk about how corona virus at feel like. This might happen to the next few weeks and I wanNA hear from you first because you weren't unless big show because you run. It was kind of like this funny thing. Where like Oh Mike. Alpha in the mountains skiing before the whole world shuts down and then it kind of became real so How does it feel to come back to all of this? Yeah it's it is kind of disorienting. I will say that I was because of some people. I follow on twitter. Who are sort of like weird alternative? Economists I was actually starting to get a really bad sinking feeling about things in late February to the point where I was not even sure that we should go on our skiing trip. And I don't know that. In retrospect we should have since apparently Colorado has turned into one of the hot spots and we know saw an article after we came back. Saying if you've been skiing in Colorado you should I stay away from everybody and it was certainly happening there. You know we were. We were all crammed into a little AIRBNB CONDO and watching Colorado Governor on TV declare a state of emergency and hearing that the schools were closing because apparently had had the virus. So that's what's crazy about. This is there is nowhere in the United States to hide at this point. And they're you know we still are so far behind the curve ball that the deep ball rather that. Nobody knows exactly what's happening so so. It's not surprising that Hollywood is in the same boat as everybody else. Everybody's gotTa just kind of like react as cautiously as possible retract from public life and hope that that has that helps to prevent this thing from just becoming an absolute disaster. You know an and probably still going to be pretty bad so yeah so anyway. I'm just glad that I sorry. I missed it. I was once on vacation. During hurricane. Katrina everybody just be careful anytime. I'm on vacation things. I feel like you've told the story. Then you're on vacation but the world was so different than that like five days later you had to start working on it not like the situation now where we're trying to follow every single beat of the story as it happens and that's that's exactly right. Yeah so the last half of the vacation became a working Remotely Situation Somewhat. Because just you know this is just a not only journalistically but just as a manager you really have to be thinking carefully about everybody's well being and safety and making sure the right decisions are being made so anyway. I'm glad that so far. Everybody in our team is safe. And we'll just see what happens next. Yeah I mean the like the news about shutdowns it's really what isn't shutdown versus. What has he kind of. It's impossible to run through the whole thing. I think as we record this regal and AMC have both shut down all the theatres. Is that right? Like the The biggest national chains Is there anything for you guys? That feels the most jarring of shift Hollywood wise for me for TV shows or anything that like makes makes the gravity of the situation. Really stand out for you. Well I was. I was watching some youtube videos on our sister. Publication on petite puts out great videos and they just had a new one out that they were in the video. They're referring to the fact that it's January and I was like okay so that means that like they fill maybe two months out so we'll have those videos until mid-may you know Before they're kind of out of content and then I started thinking about you know with all these shows and movies shutting down production like were running into a situation where right. Now there's plenty of stuff coming out there's stuff in the can you know certain studios are putting things on demand that would have normally been in theaters but like in a few months time if we're still on the situation it's going to be like there's going to be that much you know Fewer new things which You know in the grand scheme of things. Isn't that big of a deal? Obviously but it's an interesting way to think about the long tail of this thing. We don't how long we have no idea. The really jarring thing to me was was universal. Saying they're just GONNA skip theatrical releases and it's rational. It's the only thing you can really do under this circumstance but it feels like somebody on our morning call. Today was was talking about a different industry than saying this is like an asteroid hitting the dinosaurs and it really does kind of feel that way with the theatrical world. And it doesn't doesn't take you very far from saying. Oh well you know. Even the big studios are skipping theatrical releases to sort of being like well what's the difference between the Oscars Emmy's then if everything's just content that goes to your streaming service? You know like it's all one thing. Yeah it's it's interesting to me the difference. You know universal is is putting some of its its or all of the ethical releases digitally As soon as this Friday I think is what they said but I thought it was interesting. That h e four is like we are not doing that. Emphatically and so like that almost seems to me to be maybe an indication of the future of the ethical releases where you have these like Boutique. Sort of like you know sinophile you know friendly distributors or studios having Gatica releases but will the more mainstream stuff go there. Not that you never. I mean universal talking about putting Emma Online which. I personally like really excited for but I don't know if everyone across the country is but My Jane Austen fans might be might be excited to watch during this shelter in place is what we're calling it here in the bay area so but just to be clear if it becomes the becomes a boutique thing that's fine and nice. But that is the destruction of basically that that I liked going from. Yep that's going from like seventies record business two thousand ten's vinyl business which is not much of a business. I mean to be good about it. I just meant that to I just went to. Yes this conversation. We're having which is like if you know if we all become quite accustomed to new releases streaming at home. Will people ever go back to the theaters? That's what you know. Distributors Than Theater owners have been talking about for a couple of weeks now and So I was just saying like that. It seems to me that there might be different attitudes towards that depending on whether or not the bottom line is is all you care about and I. I'm certainly not rooting for the demise. The experience of all the people who are employed by the theaters I I love going to the movie theater so I'm not. I'm not at all like you know. Trying to trying to be flippant about that. I just think it's interesting. The different reactions that we've seen from different studios and distributors. I think one potential saving grace there for for the exhibitors could be that. Once this is I don't know over or done for the season. Or how whatever reality. We're looking at In however many months time is that I would think that so many people will be so excited to get out of their houses and like do something different that they'll like flood into theaters whatever's open. And maybe I don't know just instantly be triggered back into that habit. That might be overly optimistic. But like yeah. I think last week we were having a meeting. And our colleague Anthony Bresnan. Ken was saying you know they. Just this is this is going to change the whole fabric of the industry and I was like. Oh I don't know about that but look with each passing day or half day or hour. It feels like yeah. It's definitely like there are some enormous change happening But what what? That looks like six months. I have no idea somebody said on twitter. It's time to bring back drive INS which is not the worst idea. Because you're pretty you can get your little a self isolated group into a car and You know that that seems safe enough. The thing that seems like it could save movie going and maybe not save it forever but like I like what you're saying rich about people wanting to get out of the House and go see a movie again but it. It feels like you need something special to do that. You need a star wars. You need to adventure game like some kind of event tent pole because the specialness of movies of making you WanNa leave the house. I think he's just going to be a long time before you stop doing a risk assessment of being like. Is it worth me going out if I could catch this virus and you know looking at the release schedule like maybe wonder woman if that's early June if we're kind of sort of back to normal by then like I don't know how top gun maverick fares in that like even in the heights? Which were all excited about like? I worry about the power of what's coming to be. What draws people out when? There's not like a mega event tent pole which we had so many of last year. And if it's an industry that own literally only those temples are wicked anyone to go to the theaters. It's hard to see how it survives. Tough Guy I mean we we talk about the TV industry side of it too Yesterday Fargo season four or season three the new season for For postponed its air date because it had to stop production. You know we keep saying we're GonNa Start Tracking miami-san shows because it is the season for that but then their case being crazy news to discuss But that feels like it's by far not going to be the only one You know what's what disruption have you guys notice on the side of it so far. We'll nothing yet because there's so much stuff has kind of already you know ready to go I think it's going to be that the for TV. It's going to be weird because you know in six months. We're not gonNA have anything you know. There's not going to be very little new because all production is has been stopped. Her is going to be stopped. Probably soon And then you know then. We're in a weird landscape so I would say if we want if we want to go back to our original mission on this on this show and say yeah for in terms of like everything is going to be eligible this year. I would with some minor exceptions. Obviously Fargo and stuff that was just about to finish two over the line. I feel like there's a lot of already in place for this year but So we probably won't notice much of a change there in the longer term. I mean it's kind of like we had something about this on the site. It's it you know the key decamp much less serious global way is the writers strike Where there was this weird gap in programming But I think back then we were more accustomed to a regular TV season where now we were just used to having something new or at some things plural new all the time and I think that's pace is going to have to slow for a little bit In the future certainly in terms of production but I do know a lot of writers rooms are still. They're just doing zoom meetings basically So you know. The writing is still happening but yet it's the it's the active production. It's the active sets that are that are shut down so I will be curious to see how much of a valley we seeing content actually Or maybe it'll feel like a bit of a you know a bit of catch-up that we can all play I think the biggest news. Tv wise enters productions being. Shut down as the Amazon's Lord of the Rings Shut Down in New Zealand because New Zealand has instituted very strict. Like M no one in one out policy in terms of containing the virus and so that made production prohibitive. I mean I think shutting down production is a good idea anyway but certainly you know when you're headquarters are in the United States and your crew is a New Zealand. The you know not being able to come in and out Is is yeah. So is that show cursed series. Maybe somewhat serious question. Let's say about that but I I. It seems like they have had numerous hiccups on their way. I mean the same with Avatar Avatar Production has been shut down to. There's going to be the new mutants getting delayed. There seemed to be all these like parentally curse projects that viruses helping part of that not soundly too cynical or whatever but part of that is like some of these productions that I've heard that you know 'cause productions being halted all across the television and film industry all around the world and some of the productions that they've heard being halted our predictions that I know were experiencing difficulties already And I'm not just talking rings and this is almost like the. The corona pause is almost like a chance for some of these people to sort of maybe fixed some issues that they were having like have some space to fix issues and not rush towards the deadline so of lending at all in this. Which you know. It's hard to find often when tons of people are out of work It's maybe that you know in a calmer. Calmer space maybe some of these stories that they're having trouble telling They could figure out a better way to tell them like the idea of finding a silver linings that will get better art as a result of of maybe. I think the thing that I worry about is that we're all gonna get so used to watching livestream youtube videos and instagram lives. And all the stuff that like. That appetite might go away for like big expensive. Nice stuff I think about the Great Depression where like everyone wanted escapism. And they wanted to go flock to movie palaces. Make maybe the reverse will happen. But I you know you start thinking about it in a long enough you and like our entire tasted entertainment. Could totally change by the time this is over. Are you saying it's time to shine? It's still happening this listening about I was thinking about quitting. And it's like the stuff that qube is made for doesn't mean it's made for like subway commutes and quick things as we are on our on the go lifestyle and it's like no one's on the go right now like like I mean. Some people obviously are people who are essential workers in in. You know so you know I I don't know but Who probably don't have twitter anyway. Yeah quickly feels like this weird. I don't know like thing from another era already. Know there's so many things feel like they're just like holdovers from A separate time I will say though in terms of your concern about our tastes changing Katie and and I'm just one person but someone who has reported a lot on on Youtube content and in social media stardom and all that stuff You get pretty sick of it pretty fast if you are consuming too much of it so and so you want to retreat to something a little bit more formalized I mean. Obviously that's true for people may be my age and older but young people probably are already on that train. Tick Tock is going to keep them entertained throughout however long this social distancing is in place. Well I'm not a A demographic that anyone looks to for trends but so far through this thing basically every night at least an ir just watching like two plus hours of the outsider on HBO and then maybe a Chaser of curb your enthusiasm just to like lighten the mood up a little bit and by the way. I cannot wait for Larry David to take on this. Whole germ AMIS already Germaphobe. So he he will do great comedy around this but but I do feel like one one thing. That's kind of interesting is if the if the content firehose slows down. It does sort of prompt you to to look and catch up as I think Joanna said earlier like like so. What are the things that I haven't had a chance to watch now that we all have some time? I so far thankfully you don't have time during the day. 'cause I'm working but in the evenings you know there's nothing else to do but sort of get lost in a world so I think that that high quality stuff is actually really helpful important right now in terms of just you know getting lost in another world. We also washed contagion the other night which I don't know if I can recommend but has anyone given that I know it's. It's not the top of my apple. Tv Home Screaming. I log in because people are renting on itunes and every time. I'm just like nope moving on. Yeah I watched it and for the first twenty minutes I was like Oh this is kind of comforting because it feels vaguely similar to the news. I'm reading now and then by the end I was like that. Was it mistake I should but it gets pretty dark talking. Mike about about like you know. Having to spend hours immersed in a world like someone on twitter asks me like for recommend me and a couple of other critics for like movie recommendations and. I was like honestly. It's hard to recommend movies because those are over in two hours and I know you have so much time to kill. So it's easier for me to recommend a ten hour series and just kind of be like that'll that'll take you to a couple of nights. Maybe you know so I feel like long form is is really gonNA benefit from this movies of course will too but if we're really thinking about like long hauls like night after night after night That's you know another instance of of episodic storytelling kind of tha assuming primacy. Yeah well if the theory is that this strange ordeal that we don't know how long it's GonNa last but could last like quite a long time. If the theory is that it could change our behaviors in ways that sort of kill off things that were already kinda dying and maybe give power to things that were on the rise. I could definitely see the ten hour series coming out much stronger and the movie much less strong. Be because it's lends itself so much to that sort of home viewing getting lost in something versus going out to a theater and there's a obvious reason why they don't show ten hour things in the theater. Nobody wants to be there for that. Long or comeback that many times my question big question right now is is now the time for me to finally watch the Sopranos. This is a great time for it. I mean it's it's always a good time. This is my deepest pop cultural shame. So is a dark series. The thing that you can get into. I mean Mike. You've been watching the outsiders so maybe the answer is yes and personally I have watched nothing but frozen one and two and I'm very jealous of all of you who don't have kids at home. Who Take all of the screen time. I hope that at some point I can get sane enough to watch something but I do. I do wonder if I'm GONNA WANNA watch like when I was on maternity leave and I couldn't handle dark I watch. I'll parenthood enjoying his recommendation. And you know I feel like Rewatching cheers might become a really popular. Move to look back to a time when people gathered in public places and touch there. Yeah I mean that's why I said the outsider curb your enthusiasm mix is helpful. You know you need a little dance in your life to lessen the insanity I know a lot of people have been re watching Shits Creek. It seems to be one of the most popular and watches right now. Yeah I popped into that one When I do have a spare minute or two and I will say like. I mean anyone who needs recommendations of kids programming on Netflix and Disney plus et Cetera. I I'm all over it and Disney plus did pull the genius move of sitting at a press release announcing that they were putting frozen to on the platform Early and we were among the millions of people who I'm sure took advantage so it's even even without doing something is drastic is what universal did and taking theatrical releases on there. 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You guys have kicked off the latest season of still watching which is all about Westworld Which I think is one of the more fun shows that you guys cover because it's so dense it's got so much to pick apart And the first episode aired on Sunday night. How's it going so far? Yeah I guess I'll just say that you know if you haven't watched West than you WANNA catch up two seasons one in to like now. What are you waiting for? Now's the time and westworld takes place in the near future. I think it's they said it's twenty eight I believe or twenty two thousand nine And I don't know if you know this world's Katie but they've cured all diseases in in the future. I didn't know that I am. I supposed to from Washington show. Yeah they say they haven't said it sincerely season one pretty much but maybe they want you to forget that. But they've cured diseases. They haven't cured death of the cure diseases so they definitely cured by twenty fifty nine and West road rules thirty nine years to go. Yeah got this. We got this shelter in place. Richard What do you? I know you reviewed the new season of West Rolling mountlake necessarily crazy about the The way it's going to hit the reset button. We have all seen four episodes because they gave up screeners but we can only we just talk about the first one. How is it? How's that first episode? Hit You. Well I mean it's it's it's nice to be back in the show's world even though the show has now shifted from outside of the park in into quote unquote reality But you know the performances are so solid on that show and I just I like the I like the tone that I think my issue thus far with the season is just that like I miss kind of the more like complex. Really you know opaque mystery of season two which a lot of people didn't like you know I. I filed this review basically saying that it was kind of dumbed down and simplified and tweeted it out thinking people would agree with me but all these people respond to responded to me be like bill. Isn't that a good thing though? Because I couldn't follow season two so I think I think you know I think. Your mileage may vary depending but It is just fun to be like you know. Have something like that's really looks expensive and is immersive and You know really well acted and intricate. And I'm just excited to have that back. It feels it feels like good timing Even if it does make you think a bit. Darkly about mortality. Yeah that was something that like when I was watching the episodes that you have of West. Roll like thinking about like how people are terrible to each other and Taliban the nature of life and I was just like. I don't know man I I might need like Shits Creek or something. A little bit cuddly her to go along with all of this and I'm curious about how the response to the season Westworld as the news around US gets More and more intense by the hour. How about Politics America? Speaking of Philip. Roth Veria Yeah I just had to write a review of that a positive review trying to tell people to watch the show despite the fact that it really like is a is a bit grim. I mean so you know. It's based on the Philip. Roth novel from two thousand and four so published during the Bush years seemed kind of Weird. Appreciate about The trump years while also looking back to the past it you know nineteen forties nineteen forty America where FDR loses the presidential election to Charles Lindbergh. Who was an anti Semite and Sympathetic to the Nazi party. And so it just imagine what the ripple effects it immediately of that would be in from the lens of this one Jewish family in Newark New Jersey. And it just you know it is from David Simon and Ed Burns. Who collaborated on the wire together? so it has a real sense of kind of you know it's a melodrama in a way but it has a sense of realism to it too and it's you know it's it's very grounded in its time in its place in. It's imagined alternate kind of history and yet obviously has relevance to things happening in America since especially since two thousand sixteen and Just enough to make it feel like it has a peg. It's that it it has a it belongs in this time but not so much that you feel like you're watching you know the news. It's it's enough of contain story that I think it's You know you're kind of it. Protects itself from feeling too on the nose? Guess And I I I really liked it. I don't know how recently you watched it. I watched the second episode two nights ago. Maybe and just thought it was really interesting to watch now of you know the first two episodes at least are kind of these family. And you're kind of senses. What's coming they? They don't like Lindbergh. God they don't think he's going to get elected. The second episode ends with him being elected in a on election night shock that I think is deliberately reminiscent of recent events for us and yeah just watching. These people like sense the future coming but not be able to see. It really felt striking after the last two weeks. We've had kind of thinking we knew what was coming and then actually finding But like you said Richard. It doesn't feel probably not like contagion. It doesn't feel like so direct that it's a little bit of an ability to escape and you know maybe look at a version of history. There have been worse so At least in real life. It didn't turn out that way. Oh what's it was interesting to me watching. I only watch the steps but was interesting to me. Was there was so much opportunity for the show to hit us over the head with the trump parallels and I don't think it did but only because it just doesn't have to do you know what I mean. It's just there in the text in the existence. Phillip Roth text and so I just didn't feel like it was winking at me as the parallels were very strikingly. There is something that I thought was really interesting. Then I found out after the fact is that you hear this year. This radio speech that Lindbergh is giving where he's like uttering the Jewish people and British people in anglophiles. I suppose an apparently that was I mean. Not apparently that was a real speech that Lindbergh gave and in the Trans they cut it down but the transcribed it basically word for word and And that's astonishing to me It should be a naive often when you want stories like this but anyway it was I think he's really effective Yeah and the other thing about the show. That is You know would be interesting. I think certainly to listeners of regular listeners of this podcast is is the cast you know you have John Turturro. Who's done such great work with? Hbo Mini Series. In the past with them. The night of You have so because an who. I'm going to speak to for this You know for instance as interview Who's wonderful especially in a in the final episode Morgan Spector and actor. Who's been doing theater television for a long time? And now has this kind of great lead role as the Patriarch of the Levin family. And then you have run a writer. Yeah he's really good and then went on a rider on loan from from stranger things and getting to do something different playing a very different character than who she plays on stranger things. It's just a really nice reminder of her range. And so you know the the free winona crowd Should at least at least check out the first episode and see their Gerland action but again yes because they end who were going to. I'm going to speak to Coming up is Is Excellent in the series and she had a lot of powerful things to say about it. It was a really meaningful experience for her and I think the rest of the crew in the cast which is something. I talked to my review. Is that like it? Feels like this big collective kind of you know effort almost like us sort of you know Brecht Ian sort of theater trying to just you know. Tell this urgent. Sort of political story Which is a you know at least you know. They're stark stuff in the show. But that energy feels good. Yeah the idea that like even in the darkest times Whether it is in World War Two or now that people can kind of come together for the sake of something kind of beautiful and beyond us. Maybe that's another argument for you. Know big expensive art is that. You're kind of astonishing what people can pull off when they put all those resources into it all right well Richard less. Listen to your compensation. Zoe Kazan well. I have the distinct pleasure of being sat across the studio table right now from one of the incredible stars of the plotting against America Zoe Kazan. Thanks for being here. Thanks Richard. Thanks for having me. I feel like we've been kind of ships in the night like crossing paths on twitter and maybe at various events at film festivals and stuff. So it's nice to finally be able to sit down and actually chat and you I have. I have such a love hate relationship with twitter. As does I think every person on it Into HEALTHY PERSON. Anyway every non bought But like you know getting to feel like I know other people in you know other film lovers I feel like a big boon. Yeah Yeah I mean. There's a kind of an interesting community on like the subset of film twitter. That's like you and Melania Linski and Jamie Bell like big Phil maximum killer maybe filmmakers actors. Who genuinely I think are like WanNa know what the latest news or whatever indie wire has posted like which I kind of like. Because it's like all right you guys are making the care about this stuff too. It's not just a one sided congress rate I also I put myself on like a film news diet years ago where where it gets like eight years ago now where I just said like okay. This is not worth grief that it brings into my life. I'm not GonNa like read You know the traits anymore So I feel like twitter is a little bit like cheating for me like I like. I can't to see a couple of headlines ripe. You're not doing the deep dive into deadline. And Yeah Yeah Yeah Did you grow up that way? Like paying. Close attention to the industry no Not really although you know like. My parents are both screenwriters. So we got variety and Rhino every week or whatever And you know I mean this is so fucked up but I remember being like a little kid and when my parents would have a movie coming out I remember like checking the box office to know like what their mood would be. Oh Wow yeah So yeah that's one of the that's like one of the only spots where look back and I'm like okay that guests. That's kind of a weird thing to for child to do But they tried to really shelter us from carrying or knowing very much about their world right. Yeah and so when when you entered it as a professional yourself. Did you feel like you still had a lot to learn or you? Had you had sort of utmost their industry knowledge. I guess I think it's like in weird pockets just like anything else about adulthood like you know the things that like looking back like. Hey I didn't know how to do my laundry but I did know how to Lake Brown garlic. You know like Like I feel like I understood how to like the basics of how in conducted oneself on a film set and I probably knew a lot more about like script structure than the average person. The average eighteen year old but I knew very little about what it would feel. Like to be a working actor and Even less about I don't know the actual mechanics of the business And now you know you're you're some years into a really interesting career in. How are you finding things right now? I mean this is because of the TV. Boom is they're just that much more work out there or is it harder to find worthy projects. Well I think that there's a kind sea change that happens and I I don't mean this as a kind of like. Oh whoa as we statement but there is a sea change that happens I think particularly for women moving from their twenty s until. They're into the thirties. And I I think it has to do with like the kinds of stories. We like tell us a culture which I think we like to tell coming of age stories you know especially for young women and also you know you just have to look at the stats of like how old Tom Cruise leading ladies are understand that like we like to see younger faces onscreen as love objects to and so. I felt it not just in my own career. But you know you're sort of almost like being swimmer or something you're like watching the other lanes to understand what the race is like or something. I have a lot of female friends. And you're racing yourself. You're racing your own clock. But you're keeping your eye on the other lanes and and My female friends who are actors. I think all saw a change in their career around that point where like you stopped getting twelve auditions that week and you had like three auditions a month instead. And it's not the that's not necessarily a bad thing. I found the rules to be much more interesting in my thirties than they were in my twenties especially on film. You know I mean Not on state I mean but There was a difference and I guess it also coincided with sort of change in my life in the last five years or so where. I've really tried to concentrate on Making my life happy rather than just always trying to be working and that's meant that I've tried to work less often but on things that meant more to me than sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't You know the project. We're here to talk about plot against America was exceptionally meaningful to me. And then you know you don't. I don't know at this point in my career. I've been doing this for almost fifteen years and I don't expect those meaningful things to come round as often as I think I used to expect them to. I was a little more idealistic. Yeah I mean I think for me like when I started writing professionally. It was like Oh my God like this every day. Is this like creative triumph. And then you know twelve years and I'm like yeah like once in a while. Sure something feels really important. And then you're like Oh that's a pretty good ratio. Ladies more than a lot of people have gift something meaningful comes along from every three to five years. That's actually pretty good. Yeah and then sometimes it can just be work you know and I think yeah But Yeah I. I think I've read a couple or at least I I saw transcript you talking at T. as in California and it does seem like as you just said that this particular project plan against America is one of those special ones and I'm just curious like what you're kind of origin story is with. Did you know the novel? I didn't I had never read any Phillip Roth as far as I can remember like maybe I read Goodbye Columbus in middle school bedroom. Who can count that I don't mean the book I mean Middle School You Know I. I had worked with David Simon on the deuce Which I had auditioned for for small rule mostly because I just wanted him to think of me in the pool of actors that he sort of draws from And I love working on that but it was very much like something that I would step in and out of you know. Put on my big blonde wig and go to work for a day or two and then on the second to last season of the Deuce I worked one day of work very pregnant and David sort of made some crack about Oh like We're GONNA put you to work fall or next winter. So be ready will have will make sure that you have your child care taken care of or something in the not fall. When my baby was a couple months old? He deemed me on twitter. So let's see twitter honestly like I was almost and they dragged me back in like you know like think about quitting. And I'm like Kate but I have gotten a job. Yeah he DMZ me and was like We're going to offer you this thing. Read the book and You know your daughter can direct second unit if she wants something Just saying like they'd be a baby friendly set which they I'd never read the book I read it. I was sort of bowled over by it. I mean the parallels are so extraordinary to. What's happening right now? In our political moment that I actually thought. Oh they're going to beat us up for some of this language like the Sort of Lindbergh supporters in the novel. Who are at the forefront of this growing fascist movement are called America first or is that something Breitbart has already picked up on but it was in roths novel and it's instant Ross novel. 'cause it's historically correct terminology today. Yes exactly A. He wrote the novel in two thousand and four can't imagine that he didn't write it at least in response to what was happening in the world around him at that time but it feels like not just Prussian. It feels like of the moment when you read it and I then went agreed immediately and then sort of in the absence of having scripts right away. I went on little like dive into roths world which was such a joy. I'm like one of the reasons to do this job. Really for me at least is getting to sort of fall into fall in love with something new And expand my brain and the little stack of Roth by my bed. It's so lake annotated and dog eared now I feel really lucky from a brain perspective too. Yeah Yeah I mean I you know watching it. I'm not terribly familiar with roth either. Something I was struck by in the in the mini series which is sort of devoured in in one sitting That's a lot to take in Wednesday. I I was a little crazy. I mean I think I was like like I like Texas. My boyfriend and it was like something completely incoherent. What you've been doing all day. I mean I watched to. I watched it in three sections of to like. I don't think I can do more than two episodes of this. That had very heavy. It's like it's very intimate. I mean that's something that I love about. David Simon's sort of worlds is that you know people call them to engine they're just they're so well populated and specifically populated and. This is about a story about this family. I mean and it's about other things too and yet such huge things loom over them that they kind of come in contact with so. It's a hard set. But it's really like nourishing one at the same time. Did it feel that way making it like? What was that kind of vibe? Like when you're doing this very like relevant scary stuff I this was a really meaningful one for me and a lot of ways It was my first job back after having my child which felt like a really big deal. I mean something happens to you when you have a baby early to happen to me where I felt like the molecules of my body like disassembled and then had to reassemble in kind of Star Trek in way over new corner and like what I felt was like that the molecules of my body like six months out which is when I started this project. Were like halfway back to being reassembled but there are still like ions floating in the air around me that hadn't found their place yet and it's a scary place to be going to work as an actor from because you're using yourself in your body as your material you know as as raw material and a lot of ways and Like my early costume fittings with our costume designer Jerry on us on who had also whose baby is my baby's age were so complicated not because my body looked so incredibly different than it had before. But because I felt so different about my body and myself and I've really relied on costume. Fittings and the past to help me sort of winnow down towards the character like cut the fat away from the bone and figure out where this person lies and little things like if the buttons are in the back of the shirt or the front of the shirt and the way it caller sits on my neck like those things have a big impact on how I understand. The character of the person I see in the mirror is like the first time I meet the character and away and I all I saw. Was this like our end. The clothes of the period. Don't help really always. I was kind of like archetypal. Personally I saw like Theresa rate out of best years of our lives or something like I was like I just looked like an archetypal woman like I the hair and the clothes and like who is this person besides being a mother which is also the question that I was asking myself. At the time I had felt sort of subsumed by motherhood and care for my child and and then also roths perspective of his mother sort of. Didn't in a way help or compounded that because when you read not just plot against America but also the facts and patrimony has other two more autobiographical works. You can see that. He's at least from my perspective. It feels like he never really came to an adult understanding of his mother. She died when he was in his fifties. I think and the way he looks at his father is just so much more complicated and so much more like a man looking at another man. In fact there's a part of patrimony where he's looking at his father's penis while he's helping bathe him in the bath when he's very old and he's talks about how his father's peanuts still looks like the peanut severo person how he hopes that it gave his mother pleasure. And in a way that's the most Like adults in her life that he abused his mother is in that moment and otherwise it's very much about him like sort of snuggling into her body and how perfect. She kept their home in. How how well she cared for. Everyone and so I was having to do a lot of reading between the lines to finally wear this adult woman's life in her life actually lay so had to get over this kind of hurdle both internally and inherent in the material to sort of finding best and figuring her out and then once I got into the actual work of it and I found you know they always save for actors. If you're lost looked the other actors like don't look inside yourself. And I really feel like I found best in her care for her family and found a way to make her perspective which is an extremely domestic perspective. Feel so big and important to me. I came to really love those boys as she and Caleb Who Play Philip. Sandy and I love Morgan. Who plays my husband plays Herman Levin And love our home like we had this little sort of sound stage home built for us in Queens and the exteriors. We shot Not far from where Philip Roth grew up in New Jersey and Once that world and that home and like my apron my kitchen and the way that I wanted my table and wants those things became clear to me. Then the scope of it opened up for me and We were in the first stages of the Democratic primary during the time. I think the first debate happened while we were filming and Morgan who plays. My husband is very sort of activated politically and he and I had a lot of really long interesting conversations on set. And then you're working on this material. That feels so apropos. And so interesting and it was like a complete experience for me like top to bottom head to toe like transformative important wonderful experience and I. I hope that when you watch it you see a lot of the love that was in it because that's really the M- most important thing it's like it's really about as ordinary family and sort of had. The bonds of love are tested and stretched and consolidated in order to survive this terrible moment in history that they're going through. Yeah I mean it feels incredibly textured and like I think that what you're talking about at least in my experience carries through in the viewing experience which makes it all the scarier because it's that much more immersive and and believable Even though we know that that's not what happened. It's like but did I mean it still feels like it could even though it's the past which is kind of fun Science fiction historical affects. You keep thinking like it's not. Could this happen here but How could this happen here? Right exactly I'm curious you know with on the climate that we're in and have been in. Do you feel at all a mandate to do specifically political work at this point or is it just like if that's what the project presents okay but it's not something you're like actively seeking out? I don't think that there is that much out there. Well first of all let me just say like when people like Melanie Alinsky. Who's a friend of mine Or or other actor friends of Mine Lake. Talk about some of the misconceptions about our work. One of the things we talk about is like I think people might have the sense that we have like a lot of choice on our plate and It's really not like that. Even even in the good circumstance of being very lucky and being working actors and people that get put on less than thought of for things. I don't read that many scripts a year period. Let alone things that I would really think I'd want to do and also I have a new because I'm apparent I have a new set of criteria of of how I need to think about my priorities. So with that said I'll just say like this is the only thing that I've read. That's really political. With the exception of maybe one other script in the last like five years like I don't think like we're like chockablock. With material that feels politically relevant right now to me. At least if feels extraordinary to be able to put something into the world that speaks to the current moment and that I can feel proud of and feel like represents my viewpoint in a lot of ways that is also not like a polemic. It's not like it's not a diatribe in any way as pointing fingers. That's asking questions but I will say that I mean especially in the light of the like climate crisis that we're facing My work in general hostility. Come to a much higher bar for it to feel meaningful to me. You know otherwise as we talked about earlier it is just work. You know like I still have to you. Know Feed my kid and payment mortgage right but Yeah you know. It feels better when the world feels meaningful. Because I have this other life as a raider from it takes a little bit of pressure for me. Off Of what my work as an actor has to say or do or mean Because even if I'm not showing it to anyone at the end of the day I can go home and spend an hour on my computer and do some creative work that feels meaningful to me. Even if my life my day is like opening and closing fridge. Twenty time camera. That's why I still have a tumbler on the last person to flirter It's just it's just my name at dot com or dot com but it You know it's a little personal essays about it's it's okay. Well it's out there so this may be kind of a trick question But going on to set having just become apparent. You have to work with a lot of kids. I'm sure you've worked with kids before. Did it change how you interact with these young actors being apparent you know? I think it's sort of like the question in a way about like. What is it like having a female director versus a male director? Which is to say that in a way? It's an unfair question or is there is no way to answer it fairly because every person is different And in that way like every child is different like these two children were such extraordinary Members of our team and such extraordinary collaborators that it sounds like a line. It's not like they're so amazing. Like as you Robertson. Who Plays Philip was nine when we were filming this and was like I mean we would all joke that we're going to work for as you. Someday he's also in marriage story uselessly blowing up he's he's an amazing else like he's like an amazing child actor and I think an amazing actor and he's got that thing where he just thinks on camera like the way. Tom Hanks does or something where you can see inside of his head and he doesn't need to be told how to do those things. I I feel very protective towards him because I want him to have a happy life and sometimes actors not the happiest life but And then caleb mouse who plays our older Son Sandy. It was his really his first job ever and he was cast very late in the process. In fact I think he was cast two days before our table read and walked onto set having never I think he done one commercial having never been on a film set before and learned how to do all of the basic things that you have to know how to do like how to hit your mark and You know play to the camera versus a wide shot and all that stuff and he also lake rose to the challenge in such a beautiful way and never made us feel like we had to take care of him or baby him or any of the things that sometimes you have to do with child actors. I've worked at wonderful tile actors before but this was really an extraordinary group and you know maybe my feelings were a little more protective than they would have been before and it certainly was a joy to get to bring my daughter. Tillich our work baseball games and staffing see her interacting with my play children. That was kind of surreal and wonderful experience. And I cried very hard on my last day of work saying goodbye to my kids I do feel like in some part of my heart. They're my children so it was a much more profound experience But I don't know whether that has to do with early motherhood or not Forgive me I forget the characters name but there's also the boy next little boys Salton Selden. He's played by Jacob Lavelle and I think I- DMZ on twitter and said that the okay spoiler alert for anyone who has watched the show yet. It's a mild spoiler but That the scenes where you're talking to on the phone. He's a scene where selden feels that he is in danger. It is one of the most heartbreaking things I have seen untreated a longtime straight from the book. I mean it's really. It's just it's such a. It's such a powerful distillation of all the fear and horror and everything that's been happening to all these characters the run of the show. What is what is a phones that like to film because you have to get a lot from not from kind of static reality. Yeah so there are. There are few scenes in the series that are straight from the book where the dialogue is basically. Lifted the book. There's a scene at the end of episode three where Morgan's character. Herman sings in this sort of dynamic that we're in Washington DC and that is one of those sort of miraculous things where they pulled it almost directly from the book and getting to explore it and see the way that life lived inside of those lions like it really spoke to roth skill as a novelist. an and those are kind of like time travel moments. You feel like you're inside. Roths brain for a minute. There's a scene at the end of episode or in the middle of episode. Six where Sultan is feels himself to be in danger and calls for help To New Jersey to where we are and In the book it's a long conversation between Bessan selden and I really advocated for that scene to be in it They were the writers. Were writing as those final episodes as we were shooting the first episodes and I felt it was a very important part of buses journey as a person that she was capable of being a mother. Surrogate to sell them in those moments and sort of rising to the emergency Because she is a more timid and retiring. I guess for the lack of a better word person at the beginning of this series in that sort of fierceness and strengthen and backbone I think come to the fore over the course of the series and then Tommy Shlomi. Our director for the second half of the series was like a couple of days before it was like to have that really memorized because I want to do it in one. Take sorry in one shot. He meant a like he didn't want to have to cut room And he told me ahead of time what he thought the shot would be and so. It's fun because it's a little bit like getting a piece of stage work or something And it sort of maddening. Because there's really no one there on the other end of the line. We recorded Jacobs lines at another time Because who's playing selden because their child actors and can only have certain hours and I asked if he could be there and when it became clear that he couldn't. I tried to see if I could bring in another actor. Friend to read lines from off camera And then it seemed like that wasn't going to be able to happen and I ended up reading with our second. Ad Teena Marie who Like hid in the bathroom off off camera and and like kind of squeaked out in education of salt pans voice. I like tap on the day. I like tested out like six. Different people on satellite when like R. P. As in we're like can you read this with me and try to find the person who I found like Least Intrusive Shem. I thought process And then you know. It was a lot of You know imaginary gunshots off camera and a lot of imagination but in that way it felt like doing a play and and that felt really good and once we got the camera. You know. It's a dance between you and the camera that kind of shot and so we had to get the camera right and Stewart camera op is very talented. And was there for us for the whole thing was like a huge part of the Collaborative Process It feels like a like a mountain that you climb between everyone like you're all doing it together and at the end of the day. You don't feel like you're alone even though I'm alone in the shot. Have you seen the finished product? I've watched probably what you've watched. I've watched like the links. That's there so little rough. Those last year there were a couple of weeks special effects these things that were yeah There's some sound stuff that is quite there yet. It was kind of a series of scenes like really just kind of I think drive home the whole and I think you know thinking about best is our like maybe this is corny but like I think we have this conversation now about. Oh will you know? She doesn't work and it's like well. No I mean. There actually is a lot of workers just unchanged Labor. Yeah we'll go back to work in the series. But yes she's doing. She's doing a mountain of domestic work. Yeah I mean a mountain that you're not seeing because you know it's not what you make mini series. You see her scrubbing the floors at one point out of anxiety but And you see her doing a lot of cooking and sort of I asked like let her hands never be idle. You know So when there as a family listening to the radio whatever she's doing mending and no I think she reads a book at one point. But that's about as idols. You ever see her be and then they're they're in that big scene like you see like taking charge like that is an absolute developed skill. That she has you know after raising two kids and So I think it's a really Nice Testament to that character and I'm glad it's in there Thanks speaking of working with Co Stars. You know you're working with David. Simon you're working with Sean. You're working on Phillip Roth. I mean these are a lot of icons but there's another icon that you worked a lot with which is known a writer who plays her sister In the show. Were you kind of right or fan growing up like a lot of us our age were or yeah I mean she holds a funny place in my particular cosmology. Because you know my mother wrote the ninety four adaptation of women which was a set that I was on for you know. My parents didn't like to take us to set that much. But because that was such a child-friendly set. I think we spent a couple of weeks in Vancouver. You know my sister. And I like palling around with Kirsten. Dunst have her going to the Science Museum. Doing things that kids do and I met her then when I was a little girl and she seemed very glamorous to me and smell like cigarette smoke which was exciting. You know it's very different. Adults Culture She's such an incredible actor and such an interesting actor like there's a kind of lake for Jalousie to her on screen. I mean she's given I think some of the indelible performances of the last fifty years like truly I think for instance her performance and beetlejuice transcendent but adult performances too. So I was really excited to get to work with her and I thought it was really interesting casting for that role. It's sort of not exactly what is in the book For One thing David reversed the sibling order in casting mean Wynonna in the book. Evelyn is the younger sister and buses older sister and I thought it was a very productive Inversion for our adaptation in that. It helped me understand. Why is a little less eager to criticize her sister? We talked a lot about how in a traditional Jewish family. The older sister would have had to be married before the younger sister. And how what a shame or a sense of shame. Best must have of sort of usurping. Her sister's place and it was useful for me to think about that in terms of kind of guilt over her being unmarried. Whatever age were projecting her to be early? Forty S or whatever and I also felt like it was productive for me to have that glamorous early vision of Winona because I think you know I think you see it in the way they dress themselves. Onscreen WINONA 's character. Evelyn has much more sort of glamorous and youthful style and whereas a lot of makeup than I think for Bess who's less inclined toward that kind of view of herself. The IT must've been like having a movie star for an older sister away especially coming from kind of immigrant family and so I could use all of that in those scenes with her and it let me have somewhere to go because the story of Bassin Evelyn's relationship is a very sad one in in this from my perspective. You Know Evelyn gets lost in a way In this world that she comes into through her fiance And then husband a rabbi bengals dwarf. Who is kind of like Shell for the Lindbergh Antisemitic Lindbergh administration? Yeah Yeah I mean it's I think it's What I appreciate it about the two of you together is an and also you know we see this dynamic between sandy and Philip suit like. I just think it's rare to get really credible sibling relationships on screen. You know I think a lot of time. It's like archetypes kind of a betting heads. This is like you buy them fully sisters. I'm so glad I I felt good about what we made. I do think that the boys really seemed like brothers to yeah. It's it's cool to see. So yeah everyone should watch this show. I feel it feels very urgent An aside from even the relevancy to today. It's just it's just good television so advocate for that Before I let you go. I know you're very busy. What's on your horizon? I'm are you are you like your new parent? Are you seeking out a lot of work or is it just kind of like I mean I know? You're working on something now in far-flung place. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about that and I think we are. Yeah I'm doing I'm doing once. He's in new NETFLIX series. That I'm shooting in Australia right now. My partner Paul. Deneau is shooting this Batman movie in London at the same time. So that has been complicated. Qantas flights a lot of Qantas plays a lot of really really long. Qantas flights So that's a complicated. It's the first time both of us have worked since her daughter was born. I mean both of us at the same time and I don't really WanNa do that again if I can avoid it for some time again. You can't control these things We didn't think that this was going to happen. And then it did when Netflix than Batman call you have to the lake end symbol up into the clouds and Hugo You know I don't know I. I want to write for the rest of the year. I find so much solace in it and like I just needed to care of my brain I I mean. I started filming on plot against America this time last year shot until late September. I began work on this net. Flix project in early November so I will have been working. You know thirteen months essentially without a break For that period of time. So I really I really WanNa like let my writing take the front seat for a little while and also like potentially use part of my year. It's help us get a Democratic candidate elected. It would be nice. Yeah knows well. We'll see last time. We had our election. Pollinate were in pre production and production on wildlife. So I did a lot of like phone banking but that was the best I could do. So I'm hoping maybe this year unless krona keeps us all inside of our homes and which we're doing a lot of phone day he again. Yeah One last question. You're taking a lot of flights. Are you a read on the plane? Watch on the plane and if you are going to watch something where do you tend to go like John Reviser and let me tell you Flying without a baby now seems like an incredible luxury to me so on this last flight. I read a couple books because like reading. Time seems incredibly precious to me now. I've been like I used to sit on set and like you know. Try to keep my mind kind of link between scenes talking with Co Stars or doing the crossword puzzle and my phone or whatever or looking at twitter. Now I'm like I have my novel like tucked just offscreen and like I'm reading Nell. Freudenberg lost. Wanted Right now which is wonderful. I read train dreams on the plane coming here which was just incredible And my best friend on a heater. Sassy newson academic had given me her. Her New manuscript reads. I read that on the plane And then I wrote a Wrote a bit and then I watched Joe Rabbit which I had watched but In like an incredibly sleepless state jetlagged coming back from Australia over Christmas break so I watched it again. More like cogent mind frame and then. Paul's like a big marvel watcher on the planes like really catches up on all the things that we don't see on the big screen necessarily. I tried to catch up on the stuff that I feel like like other people talk about and I don't get to see we don't get to go to the movies a lot. Yeah we went to see portrait of a lady on fire recently through like can But I think like I think the sort of some statistically the average American person watches through movies a year in the theaters crazy low. Yeah so we're at that average right now right. That's us. I think saw like parasite. And maybe that's it for like the last knives out four. Hey yeah good Well thank you for taking the time before another long flight to talk to. Us congrats on the show. It's excellent and hope to have you back for some other exciting project. And He fell three years. Yeah Yeah thank you. That doesn't for this week's show. I'm hoping we can be back next week. Maybe talking about something else. But it's it's truly hard to know so we're going to continue to make the show. We like doing it. There's obviously a lot of talk about maybe by next week I'll have watched something That's actually we're talking about. That would be a real compliment on my part but in the meantime everybody. I'm standard. Stay Safe Wash your hands. Take care of each other and we'll you know they'll also be an Emmy's in an Oscars this year. As far as we know and they will be extremely strange as a result of this so There's GonNa be a lot of interesting things to talk about In the middle of all the serious stuff meantime you can find dot com. There's a lot of coverage of really great news reporting about The government response to the virus and a lot of things. You can watch while your second home You can find us on twitter at Little Goldman where we love hearing from you as always Enron our own. I'm a Katie rich and Joanna. She wrote this and Richard. Rilo and Mike is Mike. Underscore Hogan This week's episode was edited and produced by Brett Fuchs. And this week's award for the best. Silver lining goes to. Joanna Robinson is quitting time to shine.

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Golden Globes and the Rise of Glenn Close

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Golden Globes and the Rise of Glenn Close

"This week's little Goldman is brought to you by if Beale street guitar are you in the mood for love yet. The Los Angeles Times says this movie, we'll put you there based on the acclaimed novel by James Baldwin comes bury Jenkins follow up to moonlight. If Bill street could talk a newly minted Golden Globe winner for Regina kings, incredible performance. If Bill street could talk is now playing in select cities, I promise you you don't wanna miss it. Hello and welcome to a very special post Golden Globes. Little vote men. It's such an honor present this next award nominees. Bill, and I can't deny the fact that you like me. On the. Mistake grew light. You guys won best picture. I am Vanity Fair chief film critic Richard Lawson, and I'm here not really in studio. But when one of us in studio, Mike Cogan, our digital director is a low my, hey, Richard and Joanna Robinson. Our senior writer is on the west coast to Anna. Hi, hello. Good morning. So we're all just getting our satellites to gathered after what was the first big awards show of the season. And it was one that I would argue was both kind of dull. But also full of surprises. Does that track for both of you? Yes. From a no big controversy on the stage or with for the most part. No, major speeches, but yet completely as ever unpredictable all not all in virtual, but a lot of unpredictable winds in every category. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think there was a sort of a fifteen minute period after the show ended where my head was still spinning kinda just kind of laughing about bohemian rhapsody winning. I mean, congratulations to the bohemian rhapsody team. But that was to say the least and unexpected win for best drama in this completely bizarre category. Screwed up year. And you know, I mean, what are you gonna do? It's the Golden Globes. We always have to remind ourselves. It's like sixty sort of eccentric people from Europe. So on the one hand, they have a certain amount of ability to kind of pre showcase a lot of stuff that's going to happen on the Oscars and on the other hand, sometimes they do something really kooky like that. Now might eccentric people from Europe that's a little redundant. You can just say. But so what do we think happened with? We mean rhapsody because my tendency would be say, well, this is the industry, you know, this movie made hundreds of millions of dollars the inter she wants to support a commercial feature like that. But this is not the industry. This is like you said, Mike this press people they don't really have a stake in box office returns. So what happened with booming rhapsody? Why did it connect in such a way that it certainly didn't with critics? There's a few things going on. It seems to me. But one of them is like how you see movies really depends on your lens. If you're a critic you see through one lens, if you're an audience member, you see through another if you're in the actual industry, you see through another, and if you're like an awards voter, especially in this case because you're kind of a quasi journalist, but really your main job, it seems like is to like to have this annual awards show and make money off of it. You're you're looking at at what all those other people think and then. You're watching the movie yourself. And so if you're a critic, you're sitting there thinking the whole time like I mean, you tell me, Richard. But my guess is you're basically thinking like is this actually a good movie? Can I put my name to a recommendation of it like does it fulfill? You know, the things that a excellent film is supposed to fulfill and if you're an audience member, you're like did I enjoy this? And I have a good time. And and I guess if you're in a words person, you're thinking, you know, m I enjoying this do audience members like it because you usually have the privilege of seeing that or will they like it, and you really probably don't care as much about some of the things that are important critics. I don't know. I guess like we're or maybe they enjoy screwing with critics or I I don't know. It's very unfair. I haven't theory that has very little data to back it up. Are you ready? Yes. This is why I was ready to see both the bodyguard and Richard man in the bodyguard win laugh. Last night. Even though it felt like a big surprise to a lot of people. I wonder how much performance abroad has to do with this kisses the Hollywood Foreign Press. And so, you know, the or not the body bodyguard, which was BBC's show picked up on that flakes. One. Richard Madden of game of thrones fame, a Golden Globe. Last night was the highest rated show in UK in the last decade. It was a huge phenomenon over there and not so much over here where it dropped on. Netflix sort of quietly, you know, similarly bohemian rhapsody has made over five hundred million dollars seventy four percent of its box office oil, which is a huge box office total abroad, and it's a huge movie overseas. And you know, Queen is a as much of a phenomenon here as it is around the globe. And so I don't know if that has something to do with it that that the sort of like broader global appeal that we maybe somehow sometimes miss outside of box office reports that we sometimes look at does that make any sense at all it does. Make sense. And I think that you know, that's as reasonable theory as any because from my perspective, and your you you brought up perspective critic like Mike like bohemian rhapsody, which I finally saw by the. Interception. Glows is demoted. Kind of wrote music by it showed us nothing. New stylistically are artistically beyond Rummy Malik, you know, big performance that so many other movies movies that were nominated the H MP recognized as some of the best of the year did show us something, you know. So it's kinda befuddling from a creative perspective. And I think from the other perspective, and this is something that I wrote about in my little wrap up the show last night was not only was he mean rhapsody, not the most certainly the best reviewed movie of the year. But quite light green book in another big success last night, even rhapsody is a movie shrouded in in controversy, particularly related to director Bryan singer who was fired from the project not further reasons having to do with sexual misconduct allegations. But those are there, and you also have green books that Cam Collins, our colleges Britain really well about has its own. Issues in terms of its historical veracity with regard to its main black character for whom her shawl e won an award playing. So it was felt as if this Press Association didn't either wasn't hip to the issues surrounding these two big winners or just didn't care, and I'm really curious. What what does it actually clash? I actually genuinely wonder if it if it is. And if we're in a kind of Trumpian like, let's let's clap back at the fake news moment with these words folks who are just feel like the woke movement has gone too far. And it's time to sort of you can imagine for instance, you could imagine at these little luncheons and dinners that they do and whatever the bohemian rhapsody team saying, look, the critics hate this. Because x y and z they're all whatever like, whatever they would say to denigrate critics, but this is a big hearted movie. This is the kind of movie that you know, like, we need in this industry these days and Rami Mao. Malek is like a great progressive hero. If you're not like totally did blinded by woke nece, and also, you know, like who are you going to believe a bunch of little critics, or you know, millions of people around the world. I mean, I'm sure that that was said, and it might be resonating at this moment in a in a weird way that that may be the moment that we're in for better or worse. I feel like that might work with with the Hollywood Foreign Press, but I feel like the controversies and they're not small they're not like ginned up controversies leg. I would say the stuff that we heard around Selma or stuff like that. Like, these are genuine concerns around these two movies. I don't think they'll survive the Oscar voting process like I'm feel very confident about I think there's a faction in the academy. That would also be receptive to that kind of thinking. But I think that the look the the main thing about both of these movies is that they're artifice surely not artificially, well pretty artificially this year. But they're separated into two best picture groupings that kind of ended up being so weird with the musicals in the drama thing and the comedies like everything was in the wrong place. And so the movies we've been talking about all year as being most likely to win. Best picture are like stars. Born Roma wasn't even allowed to be in either category stars born was in the totally wrong category. Perhaps arguably, and you know, so I don't know. I think it's I think that this probably is like a one night only, you know, sort of hilarious. Bizarre travesty. But what I don't know. What do you guys think? Well, this is always the kind of tricky game with the Golden Globes is you know, we can say at one side of our mouth. Well, they don't really mean anything because it's just the eighty people who have have any people deciding this. So we shouldn't actually looked at it to predict the Oscars and yet from the other side of her mouth burly. But yeah, kind of can in some ways, and I, but I don't think I think this is a weird year where the best picture winners. Probably don't. Actually have a shot of repeating at the Oscars. But again, what do we know? I think the most interesting thing of the evening for, you know, future awards. Prediction was Glenn Close witting in the best actress drama because not only did she come out of a movie that we've got a small release in the summer that had premiered of one film festival a year prior like that was a hard mountain to climb, but she got good reviews for it. But she also gave this really great speech that kind of gathered some of the larger social issue surrounding the orchard together in a nice, rousing concise way. And to me, I feel like she won the Oscar based on that speech. Well, yeah. Okay. Two things ever one. I want you out you both to know. And all of our listeners now that as soon as she won immediately. I heard my own words and little Goldman like a month ago. Whatever thrown back at me where I'm like where are you? Getting this Glenn Close narrative, it's crazy. It has nothing to do. Do with reality. And then I was like oh God to talk about this on the podcast of. But this is so good. And I'm wondering do you feel comfortable sharing some of your unified theories on speech giving at the Golden Globes with with our listener? So to Richards earlier point, I think that the Globes are not super predictive for best picture, although they obviously kind of indicate momentum. And I think the anxiety of voters that they don't want to be wrong is always you have to think about that. When you're watching like if this group of voters give somebody in a ward, another group of voters is going to think maybe we should take that more seriously than we did before. So that's helpful. I guess to rhapsody and certainly green book. But where it's really predictive is that it's an audition. I think for actors and the academy voters are watching thinking we want to have a great show. We would like to have some really stirring moving speeches, you know, whether they're thinking about it consciously or not that's clearly part of what's going on. And I think the canny winners. No that and of everybody who won Glenn Close was locked and loaded, and she came out there with like, you know, crying, the mascara fabulously, you know, breaking down on a around her is like like giving this perfectly proportioned structured speech that was you know, made you want to see her Oscar speech one hundred percent, whereas some of the other folks, I mean lady Gaga, I really missed her chance with best song because she I think assumed she was going to win best actress, she let Mark Ronson talk the whole time and ended up like inter inter interrupting him that was a weird speech. Peter Farrelly's speech was like, you know, exactly what you don't want to do in terms of accepting for green book, where he kind of loosely thanked a million people and didn't get around to his speech that he had prepared until the music was starting Glenn Close was like, you know, that thing was perfectly structured and crafted to make people think let's give her the Oscar, whereas an Olympic Coleman came out and was charming. And cool and her quirky south. But like Glenn was was not playing. Here's what I'll say about. That is joining you, you, you know, you were getting yourself for asking where you know, where to this narrative come from. I was kind of doing the same thing. I was like you're nuts. I don't think she saved me going to get nominated Glenn Close. And look she's still might not Oscar nominations aren't out yet. But when I watched that speech last night, especially after an evening of a lot of like kind of decisions other elsewhere. I was like, oh, wait I kind of want her to win like I had sort of forgotten that in the kind of excitement of Gaga who analytic Coleman and whoever else, and I was like, oh, it would be great for Glenn Close to win an Oscar. It's been long overdue. She has Mike what you're talking about. Which is I think her reaction was very genuine, but she very quickly mustard herself together and gave a very controlled Norma, Desmond speech. You know, she she really like she like knows how to do that. She is from an old school of of actors who like has that flair that is both. Accessible and open. But very, you know, it's it's high it's high drama. It's you know, she wasn't very like natural. I guess let's also not forget that whereas stars born I think is showing the strain of having to deal with some pretty eccentric people who don't necessarily want to play the Oscar game Glenn Close has Sony Pictures classics behind her right? Tom Bernard and Michael Barker, and they don't have that many horses in the race this year. So you can bet the Tom Bernard. Michael Barker are doing everything possible to make sure that every voter is very aware of Glenn Close of her. You know narrative why this is the year for her making sure they see that movie making sure they understand that you know, like all the reasons why this is so so in terms of the question of why would we talking about going close a it's a fantastic performance. Be like, you know, the these people they're not screwing around either like like. These are professionals who really know what they're doing. So she has a great benefit in that way. The fascinating thing to me about like whether or not the Golden Globes impacts what comes next nominations for the officers start to day. I don't know if that's like the usual schedule you Mike, and I talked last week about how the schedules a little wonky this year. But I don't know if it's usually like the day after so you've got all these narratives, if you're an Oscar voter fresh off the Globes in your mind, and I think what the Globes can do is cement, certain narratives. And then like I feel more confident ever say that Spiderman into the verse has a real shot at at like upsetting the Disney machine and winning best animated feature. That's a narrative that feels like more cemented to me. There are other narratives that feel cemented. But I think you're right that in terms of best picture for me. It really tells me so little except for to go back to what Mike was just talking about. I think there has been this like. Presumption that a star is born was going to sweep in a lot of categories for a long time that perhaps some of the people involved in the production. Like, some the Murray's that we've been hearing from Hollywood is is maybe the the awards machine irritated that certain people won't play certain games when it comes. And maybe the presumption of winning those categories meant certain people didn't wanna play those games. And maybe less night was sort of a rebuke of that of like, okay, if you won't play are silly award season games than maybe you're not gonna win all the categories. You think you're going to win? I'm very happy to see lady Gago when a globe for best song. I'm very happy. If she wins an Oscar for best song. But in the other caddies, they'll be curious to see if the strategy for a star is born changes after what we saw the Globes last night. Well, yeah, it's funny because I think that as much as Glenn Close winning was an ascendancy. I think that Bradley Cooper saw a major. Loss last night in in in not winning for best actor, you know, comedy musical actor went to Christian bale, and then Rummy Malik won for best actor drama and just kind of looking correct me listeners if I'm wrong on this. But it looks like the last time that a best actor Oscar winner didn't win either the comedy or drama globe was ten years ago when Sean Penn one for milk because there was that whole year of him. And Mickey Rourke kind of Duke it out Mickey work won the Golden Globe. And it's happened a few times in the two thousands where no one expected injury and Brody he came along Russell Crowe winning for gladiator. You know? So I it's a rather for for people. Anyway, it happened a few times, but it's pretty rare. And so rather Cooper not witting last night. Despite the fact that we could say, oh, well, you know, the the categories are divided. You can't really predict the acting prizes. You know, there is precedent for that. So I think that he should be worried if he cares the acting directing category. I mean, I know funds. Onto quarter on was if not the favourite that at least sort of toe-to-toe with Cooper. But the fact that he walked away with like three chances at globe and zero returns, it's not good. It was a bad night for stars porn for. Sure. What is Bradley Cooper working on? Now is he like making another movie he is a Leonard Bernstein bio pic that's been announced. He's got some trapped behind the enemy lines movie that I guess is in pre production. I don't know why he doesn't have at least a little bit of a beard and is not wearing like a cool like rock. Why is he wearing a white suit? But Mike, I don't think that the beard and the hat and this and the disheveled MRs actually him, you know, what that was acting. I know it's not what since we're all playing parts right now to try to win Oscars. You know, like like, but I guess forget it, I'm yeah. I mean, I guess I guess lady Gaga the diligently Dider hair crazy color, like just like Allie. You know? But like Bradley Cooper's at Georgetown. Boy, you know, he's I think a lot closer to the sort of Maryland. 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Do you guys wanna play my play my round Robin game where we each talk about the top six categories? Whether we think anyone's stock is up or down after last night. Yeah, withstood all right. Let's start with director. Having just talked about Bradley Cooper. Do we think anyone's stock is up or down after last night? Mike HOGAN, I think will win director. Yeah. What do you think Richard? It feels annoyance of at this point. I mean as much as we know anything this weird year. But like, you know, there's precedent for a director. Winning you know, back to back or close to back to back. You know, Karan's was a bit will undergo than than in your e where when he won literally vex back. But yeah, I think that like no one else is touching them right now. All right. And I agree with all of that. Like, you know. And if Bradley Cooper wants this, which I'm not even sure he does then, you know, maybe he has to change the way that you know, he's been giving these very guarded interview. So maybe something else has to happen. But if he doesn't care if that quad own it is I think you need to put on a Texas tuxedo. And just. Spirit. Ron that's my. Right. Supporting actress started with Richard will this is a tricky one because Regina king who won for if Bill street your top that films soul win last night, and maybe likely to be at Solway going forward. She didn't get nominated for a Sankoh which was kind of a big weird sort of. Okay. Unsettling of the ords narrative, and I was kind of concerned if Indiana this wins this than maybe kings chances are shot. But no, I mean, she she one and she was great unstaged. She spoke about hiring fifty percent women going forward as a producer. I feel like she really not quite as much as Lynn close. But but somewhat sealed the deal for herself last night, Mike. Well, I think she needed that win because it was starting to get scary for her after the sag snub. I think that she is in a good position. I think she'll get nominated for sure for the Oscar. And I think she gave a good speech that that that helps her. So I think certainly her her stock is up after last night. Let me just say this opportunity really quickly. Since we're talking about Amy Adams to say Justice, Remy Adams who who one another for categories. Despite like sharp objects was one of my favorite things. I saw all last year. She's the main reason why -gratulations to Patricia Clarkson, but like AB Adams missing on and that really bummed me out. Okay. Best actor in a supporting role. This is a weird one. Because Sam Elliott who's one of our favorites was not nominated even though we showed up to like, you know. You know, just be his lovely self and intro this ours. Born best picture bid. But give the dude his his Cecil b but merge is Marshall Ali walked away with the award in the supporting role category. And this feels sort of like an errand dealer. Johnson win where I'm just sort of like, okay? That's great firm Herschel. But I don't think that means I didn't really don't think that means anything for the larger Oscar race. What do you guys think about supporting actor, Richard? I don't know if it feels quite like our Aaron tillage, quite you know, my thinking that Eliot had it wrapped up this fall. I feel like that's faded. He's aided. Maybe the most of any of the stars were people. And then I was like, okay. So it'll be Richard E grant. But I don't know if that was more just me kind of projecting on, you know, 'cause like Richard E grant one the New York Film Critics Circle prize, which by the way, Mike, you mentioned earlier how to insult a bunch of critics last year at the New York, Critics Circle dinner, I overheard. Someone say everyone here looks like George. Lucas. So that's how we. Anyway. But I don't know I think that like is Marshall L E actually the front runner for this award because people like that movie, and that's arguably a safe way to to reward that movie, Don Shirley's family as saying that's not accurate, but I don't think anyone's really taking issue with his performance. It's more the movie surrounding him. So I don't know. I think that that he is firmly in the mix now like if I didn't think so before even though I was wrong. I definitely like my eyes have been opened. I hereby predict that he will win. Wow. Okay. All right. Mike Flynn is like I love Marshall SO or not like I would not be upset about it. But I didn't feel like he had an answer to the Dodd Shirley question when he was acid backstage. And he's going to be asked it so many times between now. So I think he needs to come up with a better answer for it. You know, I think what everyone did last night for the hard questions was sidestep it, which is something you can do. Right. But what did you like about it, Mike? Well, put it this way. I think that he survived it. I think that there are a lot of people like this movie, they want to reward it. They do not want to be told that they're racist for liking the movie, you know, and I am for whatever you may think of that. And so my Herschel is like the shining symbol of I liked this movie. And I'm actually a progressive person who hates racism, but I liked the damn movie. And so, you know, I don't think that he has to like solve the whole the whole, Don, Shirley thing. It's not his problem. I think he was right. Like, he's he's doing a job. He's doing a performance the best. He can he found out that there was more information that he didn't know about that he wished he did. And that the family wasn't happy and he reached out to them to talk to them. But like, I don't think he has actually he Marshall L E has really more to answer for them that I mean, maybe again like Peter fairly may have more to answer. For and and the and the screenwriter, but I think he's in a very good spot. I if the enthusiasm for green book is as high as it really seems to be okay. So here's here's a couple more things. I will say if true detective season three which premieres this Sunday, which Richard and I are doing a podcast on Hong. Thank you. If that if that show co starring or sorry Marshall L E A becomes like a huge phenomenon. We could see in Matthew mcconnahey affect and sort of help some, you know, here he has an Oscar I would not he's great. Former would not mind seeing him have two Oscars. The only other name that oath ruin agree that Emily. Its stock is down Marshall L stock is up. The only other name will throw in the mix out driver, which is something that we were sort of a little bit high on before the break. And I don't know if that sort of dissipated over the holidays, but Richard what were you gonna say we're getting nominated keep as maybe ever gonna win. But I guess my concern for a Lee is winning two Oscars that close to each other. That's that's a lot of pressure that that sort of skips you passed one movie club and into another one, you know, where he to win for green book. It's at least a very different kind of performance than what what he wants for moonlight. You know, we'd aware as Christoph waltz who is the most recent very close. In time supporting actor winner, he was essentially playing a version of the same character for both Django and inglorious bastards. So hopefully Ali with detective is a big help in that in that regard. He's diversifying his actor Lee portfolio enough that being saddled, and I say that kind of half the Cicely saddled with two Oscars so quickly in his real his fame the fame part of his career that won't affect negatively because I think he's such an interesting thoughtful actor, and I would hate to see him sort of mis categorized because he's now, you know, this big time award winning actor that's a good concert Daf. And once again, I think the the true detective narrative will help adds new wants to that. Because I think if he's what he's doing intrusion active is so different from what he doesn't green book that you know, his his versatility will be part of the conversation. I do. Richard E grant could could easily like, you know, sweep back in here sort of Glenn Close style. I think that they have more work to do literally starting with getting Americans to know who he is. He's so amazing and such a legend in the UK. But I just don't think that that there's that much recognition here. Now, I mean, academy members presumably know who he is. But like, I think they have they just have more work to do. And then I guess, Richard. I'm curious what you think, you know, does there ever come into to it that whole controversy around a straight actor playing a gay character? Like does that if he does get far enough along does that come into play and become an obstacle for him? I wish that the conversation. Was that far ahead? No. I don't think that really if you know if it's not slowing Rummy Malik, Dan. I don't think you know, you said sneak in there like Glenn Close, Mike. I think that the Richard E grant thing it's like that's a sneak in there. Like, Mark right lands. You know, who to didn't win the globe. And then won the Oscar over was like where the hell dot com from Graham. Did he was up against the lesser Stallone for creed? And. I wanna talk to school, but the kind of conventional thinking for those who pay attention to the industry is that semester stolen is not very well liked in the industry. And so a group of eighty plus foreign journalists say, okay, great here, you go sly, but the academy which is very different body of people. They say, no, no, absolutely not. We don't all know who this British guy is. But he's in that student spillover movie. He's great in it. He's weird. Some of maybe some of the east coast or Simon theater, they're like, okay? You know, I don't know that Richard E grant necessarily has that same profile supporting him, but he has been around a long time. And he's worked with a help wanted people. And I'm going to say one last thing, which is that they need to get with Millon ion goddamn streaming platform. So that all these academy members can watch it Mike, and I keep saying this until this is over I will say this last week. And I watched I watched Gosford Park, which is one of my all time favorites. And that's got a classic Richard E grant performance in it. So you know, check that out. That's that's available on streaming. Okay. Best actress, we've already talked about this a bit Glenn Close, obviously had a huge night last night Libya. Coleman also had a great night, Lydia, not so much. So where where this is all land for you guys in the Coleman gogga close spectrum starting with my Cogan. I think that that was really bad for Gaga. She should she should win the Golden Globe. I think right. That's that's part of the narrative of of somebody like her pop singer coming into this race. And the fact that she didn't I think is rough. I think a lot of us were surprised when stars bar went into the drama category versus the musical comedy. And like I feel fairly confident even though Olivia Colman is a strong contender. The Gaga would have won. If that if a star is born had been categorized properly. You know what I mean? So to put her up again in the drama category. Maybe felt like a bridge too far. I don't know to me live Coleman was in a stronger position than Glenn Close going into this. So actually, you know. Reminder to everyone. What what do we know? But yeah, it felt especially because of the quality of the speech. It just felt that Glenn Close like blasted into the the, you know, top two contention. And it's it now feels more like a it'll be a head to head between Libya Coleman and Glenn Close. But you know, who knows I wouldn't count Gaga out. But I think that there is this kind of underscores some of the issues that I think Gaga has which is you're always in this position. If you're not really an actor or not longtime professional actor of people sort of resenting you coming in. And you know, they want to find out like, what's your what's your angle here? You know, do you actually care about acting or is this just a stunt for you? And I feel like all that baggage. You know, did not get helped last night. Yeah. And also like she she fell into the same crevasse that the Cougars fallen into which is like now, they don't have the speech now. No one they haven't they haven't gotten unstaged or and that's both. To be what the gloves offers a doubles, the amount the opportunity for actors to get on stage, and and try out their thing. And I think that your unified theory of speech giving Mike is this is a very accurate one in terms of how these things shake out, and she gave her song speech to to Mark Ronson knows -actly. Exactly, this was that was supposed to be a coronation moment. You know? I mean to her credit. I guess she wanted to recognize who else was involved, but we didn't get the the sort of soul. You know, solo at the end of star is born moment for her last night. And you know, so I guess she was Texas onstage for the song. Wait, but it didn't feel like it, you know. And so if you game that up past past her, and then it's Libya Coleman versus Clint close. Live Coleman's great. But can she put up any fight against plen- close? I don't know. It's like whimsey. But I mean, it's so funny because everyone's talking about the favorite or not everyone. But you know, like, the Venetia words people are talking about the have been talking about the favorite and like so few people were talking about. Glenn closest film. And but I can't disagree with you guys. I just wanna really quickly point out. I love being several years into this podcast with you guys. Because like I can remember the moment that I understood that the Golden Globes were like a speech audition for an Oscar nomination, and it was win Meryl Streep gave her speech and two thousand two thousand seventeen Golden Globes. Not not a, you know, she wanted us will be demand that you're right. And then got nominated for Florence foster Jenkins. Basically, I think often our speech, which I watch actually every week. It's one of my my few eccentricity every Monday to amp you up. Well, can I just say one more thing didn't Glenn Close? Get a standing ovation. Am I miss remembering that unless you do? There was a damn standing ovation. Well, part of that was that he's they sat her so far away from the stage that she had to do the like awkward walk through the room. No one thought I was going to win dance. You know? So what are you going to do? But stand while he does. But yes, I mean. No at the end getting stood at the end of did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It jumped out of their seats and cheered for her. You can tell that. I was I was blogging and watching the Globes last night. All right. Let's do you best actor in any category as say drama, but it's any category. We already talked about this a little bit that lay brought the Coopers and trouble. Maybe. But what do you think about like Romney Malek's chances after this lettuce start with Richard? Well, I think that something that that maybe people were were like Keating on was that Christian bale like got to shit talk. Mitch McConnell and thanks Satan. Blamed do Cheney. And I don't know like I it was something that I kinda zeroed in on to my review of the evening, which was like, it was nice to have that kind of Tang of negativity because everything else felt so carefully like positive and like not really addressing what's wrong with everything that liked to have that little bit of like. Yeah. Fuck fuck that those guys like I hate them. Like, maybe people will kind of lock in on that. And kind of want more of that. He'd crushed it. He's going to win the whole thing with the wife. It was all perfect. Thank you. Right. And but like, do you think that that was a calculated performance from Christian bale to win an Oscar? Yeah. Yes. I mean, look with all due respect to Christian bale, like just Christian bale ever do anything. That's not calculated performance. Like he was speaking in an accent that I do not think is the Welsh accent? He was talking like a cockney anyone. Even notice that he quiet kind of acknowledged his freak out on the Terminator set. But he say, well, he said like I'm so happy now. And you know, I'm there's times when a little bit crazy or whatever it was. He just like acknowledged it. I know I think that he had it memorized. I don't know. It's incredible. Maybe I'm too cynical. But I felt that look they're actors, you know, like there, and I think that he went up and gave a hell of a performance and and everybody loved it. And I think that he probably was going to win anyway. But like I think that he that he helped himself. It's a way to you know, it's a way to acknowledge that film that may not probably not gonna really win anything else the film itself. Like, maybe doesn't quite work. But but he's really good in it. And and anytime, you know, they just love actors and creative people love like a transformation we keep talking about this. But I think that I I don't see any. Before we throw to Richard. I finally saw vice actually since we last recorded Mike, and I really think that movie like deeply doesn't work, and maybe could have been a great many series. Like there's just too much and if they had done like a five episode or six up so many series. It would've been great that being said, I don't think anyone can argue that Christian bale does not give one of his classic like immersive body Ted to toe performances, and like it's not I think it's not good movie. But I would like to save time nappy mad of Christian Bill one, Richard. What do you think, you know, movies problem is not Christian bale being good? And then it's that they rely on Christian bale being good in it to sort of do half the movies work. You know? Yeah. He's excellent. And you know, like like you said, my key did reference vaguely his own past problems. I don't know if he represent you reference all of them, but you know, Christian bale is an actor who like you get some sort of like, the kind of consternation did look from you know, when you mentioned his name around certain people. But yeah, I don't know I'm in. I tweeted back in September. Like, there's no way Bradley Cooper doesn't win best actor. I'm still holding out. Hope it seems dimmer and dimmer as each day passes. I still think that Christian bale and Dick Cheney might be to sort of techy figures to for for a broader academy support. But but then you say, okay. Well, who who else is it Romney Malik? I don't know. I don't know. Like, it's it's such a weird tricky year that Christian bale might just benefit from the fact that no one can decide that anyone else. Yeah. Rob me. Molly speech. Didn't I'm Robbie. Molly has just such a an unnerving quality about him. He's like such a nice guy and like an genuinely like. I think pretty great in bohemian rhapsody. But yeah, that speech is not exactly like a barn burner. And it is so interesting because I think I'm now thinking of Rami Moluccas the lightweight versus Christian Bill. The heavyweight win Rami won the dramatic actor category and Christabel when the comedy categories. Well, exactly, I mean, that's the the best example of how the categories were. Totally screw okay left last thing. We're talking about which is best picture. You know this. We've already mentioned this is sort of like a really screwy one where we're not sure the goal legal gloves could be a bellwether of any kind except to like, maybe further break open the narrative, I do think Roma. There was such like warm reception for Roma that actually Roma stock is on the rise for me personally. After after the Golden Globes last night, even though it wasn't in the best picture contention. Because you can't at the goal Globes be a foreign language and be in best-picture contention. I suppose so Mike when you think I think I said before I think Korans gonna win. Actor I'm concerned about Roma because I can't find anyone who actually has sat through it who didn't watch it like at a theater or screening or or many people a few people like real cinemas love it and do that. But, but I don't, you know, it's you're not putting it on, you know, in front of a party. I think that a star is born I'm now concerned about it. Just doesn't feel like it has momentum. And I think that green book is has real momentum. I do I do think that green book is now, you know, has to be taken seriously like, you know, three billboards style, and I I don't know that that means it's going to win. But I think it's it's in contention. And I don't know like the favorite doesn't feel like it's that in contention. I don't know I'm sort of backing into a sort of anxious feeling that green book is going to win. Wow. All right, Richard. And I think just like thin and there's gonna win this point like. Weird. It's such a weird weird here where I you know, I could see it going like four different ways. But maybe crazy rotations. Yeah. Or Black Panther. I mean, I don't know. Well, actually, my friend. Chris Rosen said last night, he really does think that Black Panther could win by splitting by splitting votes. So maybe, you know, that'd be kinda cool. Black Panther surged back onto the scene because of the way that the tiered balloting works for it has to be a certain number of people put it as the number one movie of the air to even get nominated. And then and then the voting for the winners, like, it's all sort of it's complicated. And I feel like some movie like Black Panther, which might be, you know, certainly a good deal of number one choices. But a lot of number two choices like it could benefit from that. And and I think the other thing about a Black Panther victory or even a blood clansman. One would be like, okay. Like here. Here is a movie that is far more unimpeachable in innovative ways than some of the potential other front runners that have already picked up trophies at other awards ceremonies. You know, like we don't have to deal with Andy green book controversy won't do with any book mean rhapsody controversy. Black Panther has been relatively controversy Freeh unless you want to go to the right. You know, the the right wing fringes, you know, whatever. But the the kind of is not really concerned about them. So there you go that's kind of a a worthy win to some extent. And and a an a a field that one at the same time. So maybe that that will be the appealing root for for voters in the next few weeks. Definitely see getting momentum off the sag awards because like that's that that feels like a classic buck never got nominated for on samba. Right. That seems like a classic ensemble cast to reward. Maybe at the. Words those are stock up stock down. I think we're running out of time. So we're gonna save our Oscar hosts conversation for for next episode though. So if I see that a lot of things are developing. Yeah, I think we can announce it now little bit is hosting the Oscars this year. I'm really excited Katie rich fresh off having a baby is super excited to get up on SAM's. Sam's SAM's, the part of the deal. He he in Charlie. You're going to be there. It'd be great. Great. Well, that doesn't for this week's Golden Globes special episode. You can read more about the awards ceremony on the dot com. There are lots of breakouts about individual moments. I have my review, of course, red carpet slide shows, and, you know, this is now we're we're really know in you know, we're far from the shallow. Now. We're in the season. It's happening. So please keep checking the F dot com. You can follow us on Twitter at little man. We're all individually on Twitter. I'm at rilot might Mike underscore HOGAN Joanna. So we'll be back with another episode next week at the regular scheduled time. In the meantime, this episode was edited and produced by Daniel Roth award for the best preemptive review of the little gold men hosting gig at the Oscars goes to Richard Lafayette evening of a lot of like pack and of decisions. Panoply.

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Eurobash: Episode 41 (w/ Brendan Loughnane, Nicolas Dalby, Graham Boylan)

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1:54:42 hr | 1 year ago

Eurobash: Episode 41 (w/ Brendan Loughnane, Nicolas Dalby, Graham Boylan)

"It's here. It's episode forty one of euro by it's going to be full steam ahead on this episode. We have so much to complain about its own believable. There was a lot of fights and a lot of mess this weekend. Damn. Yeah, we're gonna bring to you Lloyd encore looked Tang clan. First. Let's have a look at those headlines. Well known the gresh silo to you root. Very rude of me. I'm sorry, fucking sorry. I'll be waiting six days. Work killed today. I am. I am. I'm going to just drink my beautiful here and. That's what we want. It's all it's all coming right for ROY here we go headlines elevate. Oh, dethrones gay guard Masasi in the main event of Bela Tor London. Quota shocking result there. We have Artem love to feats Polly Mellon is e in the main event of bare knuckle FC six. Molly McCann comes away with the European championship two world. She fought Aryan Lipsky, former K as w champion Molycorp, the cage Jammie. We are very big on that for you. And it was awesome. We'll talk about that more later Belot or Dublin has been announced for September twenty seven we can see some voice being made off the back of that built or Lewellen card already bought. Valentina shevchenko. Valentine? Janko V. Liz and Alexi concerto. V lorraine. Oh star poli have been booked for UFC Uruguay and August tenth. And John Phillips is out of his UFC Sacramento for Cal Robertson. He'll be replaced when newcomer Wellington term and didn't know she here that want to Lhasa that's appointing for John. Yeah. Only saw it. There was, of course all over. He is all over that ship. But yeah, I guess we'll start on our first round of the week. Last Tuesday, we taught Brennan luck nine had secured his place in the UFC would fund hostile performance against Bill, but a less a takedown attempt, you know, a legitimate technique, and I may has cost him the contracts on how I think a lot of people saw me getting upset about this already. So I'm just gonna pass it over to you and all. How did you feel about? I think people saw posts on Twitter as well. Choose obsolete. Fuming at the whole situation. For a guy to get this points to build everything back up, turn, Dan, you know, other flight promotions contracts. And to get that spiel of shied from Dana wise at the end, I think was very condescending first of all from Dana walls, or you hated the whole set. Let's bring this and let them sit here we shoulda fought on me on the facts of the modern is the fight before Hans. In which Mr. sariano got the win to rain was on the heavyweight, first heavyweight the leg kick finish. Dan was brand. And then there was to offer him sorry after. Sorry, he was the main events yet. And sariano paycuts was the fight sariano did pretty well for the first couple of Ryan's third. Rhymes talk, the Dan laid on them for the Girotti jurisdiction of the fight did little or nothing. And he gets a contracts. All right. Dana, what are you talking about here? What is our new rules that we don't know someone tried me online, and obviously, a lot of direction online was very positive in favor of Brennan. Is it shorter bean? And someone said to me that I don't understand the concept of the show. I think Iran 'em as well. I think you're very, very wrong. Not trying to find the best voters. Yes. Not the whole. Are we doing here, still doing, like an even if we aren't doing sport, if we're doing entertainment? Here's the go with the most traction than we've ever seen on that show going in. So where where is the ca-, take down camman? Oh, it's pathetic. Plenty take downs in the contract. It was the heavyweight did not have leg kick. Listen to the when Brennan later on you are. And listen to that he wants to make a point in my wrestling. He that's what I said, as well. Look, I mean for years as soon as from the UK, or the runny way around here goes to UFC what they all say he Conroy, he's never fought arrested like me. What did he just do? Exactly you're looking for the best fighters here, bailout. Gio was a great foyer. A really solid fodder you saw. He's number eleven ranked featherweights in the United States of America. Really? The goal is really, really talented. You know, texting Paul Fowler on and off before Honda base. Calms paul. He was in Paul's number one pick, again, signs. I think everyone else's dining the Pero rankings. Jose was they're not noise. And he was saying, Paul Vella was like one hundred percent before before the contracts came. He was like, well, he's number one one hundred percent Texan Paula tiny algae, legit, and I was in your Brandon's Abrego fighter of seeing Bela's, while I watched a few fights actually, on choose day before I was just going like this is a fight. You look on the card. Probably to the best behead. Low enforceable exactly ridiculous. I think we know why. But anyway. Two goals. You look anew go. This is getting sewing, if he wins the fight that was it for me. 'cause you knew it was going to be a high level. It was a high level. It was court tank above three or five card in terms of a contest. Even even if you want to go take mean, if we're just basing this forget about the opponent forget about how good Bill algae, always for a second just based on what you saw one four hundred do out there, who's the most impressive. It's Brandon lung down all fighters. Brandon was a court above anyone else on that card for me. And for the FCC not to sign a meal aspirin. And his before I put a tweet Abed audio Graham was there prior issues, ESE. He doesn't know he doesn't think that's what it sounded to locally. I really don't think there is actually an issue there with Brandon Dane face. Like he's all smiles last hands. It's like he's looking for a way or something so reaction when they did it. They flexed back to him on the computer, all believe he just did that you're talking to you, too. Fucking two and a half Rams this. What, what are you on? No sense to me, like this is maybe they're getting these guys in for a fight just give them. The fall even fall even. They already have their mind made up before I tell you one thing is that a possibility. I don't know. Everything's. Look like that last Tuesday night, that his mind was made up before hunt, one thing we'll get Brandin interview now in a minute. But one thing I got to say if you're involved with any other promotion, and you ain't trying to get onto this deal trying to sign him you are, like they, you look like the savior, if you sewing this going now you look like you're the person who's doing the sensible thing, as opposed to UFC or doing nonsensical. Well, the good thing now I think maybe Brandon can take from this the online. Right. Huge, you know, everyone's been talking about is in the world of mixed. Martial arts, literally across the board all the top media that's you beautifully. Description of the events of the last six to seven years, for Bannon lot Nana. It was perfectly put a couldn't put any better myself. I was in a fuming rage last Wednesday. When you did is because I was just fed, so sorry for. And listen, we follow brand over the last movies. We know have go Brandon is on tap that opportunity taken away, after all at work. We defend any fighter in that situation. You are not being biased. He was by clearly, the best fighter in the card. They have a lot of guys now in the from the UK, gray voters, Jack shores jasmine sewing, you've got an Arnold guarantee of Liane Edwards. Have all these you've also lost? Let go his Jimmy Manoa Ross Berson Mugabe being not so long ago style larger Europe. Yes, you need to go who obviously reverberates with the fan base. He's proven that in lead up to this point when March comes around if Brennan lock nine isn't on that card. They're going to regret it or you can remember interviewing Brandon today before, UFC Manchester flawed. And there's open down to Stockport to talk to him, and even Dan, we were laughing going like what you have to do with to actually go through this and have to sit out there in front of everyone. And you tell them that a downs cost it's just sick, it's gross like it was the lower the low for me. I am going to say this taxed off. Bras people that are the regular pharmacy every week, and they were actually disclosed wasn't signs. Well, I'm a person. You think it will be? It was actually someone else put anywhere. I won't get into that. But another thing I will say you talked about traction and things like that. Who else in the fucking UFC Jesse lean guard Marcus rush toys and fury, forget about after the big huge win the week before this is linked monitors. They know this link Mukunda Barcelona a week were all linked to buyers alone. Like, yeah, it's going to get off. It's actually insane. Dana white shown Shelby McMahon or shame in yourself. Indian new matchmaker. Sorta should present obsolete ROY. Well, let's get to it. That's rant. Wound down on find out, I'm only get the fire. My belly known. We just have to edit. It will half an hour. We're going to go on his afterwards Buddha. Great speed to Brandon of is very. I felt that he was a bit disheartened when speaking Jomo felt like he didn't need. New interview today. He's doing lots of interviews book, fair blades on. We always appreciate them. And look, as I said to him, at the end that his interview, we're all pulling from. We all want to see him get a big contract as well to keep knocking on the doors. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I know they will. They've been brilliant, Brandon on. Damn look. We'll be back in about ten minutes. I'm now finally, we are joined one of the most talked about foreigners in Europe at the moment, a mine, who feel should have earned a UFC contract last Tuesday. And I think you all know who I'm talking about. It's Mr. Brandon lock Nane, Brandon. Thanks for joining us, man. How are you, forcible? Yeah. No problem just got back from America. Yeah. Just catching up on sleep and things. But yet it's been been in the whole week to the least I can imagine. I can imagine. I mean, I guess we should do it as an order of events. I think that's probably the best way to do it. We talked to you. We know him which means this was a six year road back to the UFC a road on which fail. You've proven your, your caliber on several occasions, proven that you're worthy of that contract. You go in and you have a very dominant performance against Bill algae, Dana white shoes. I know he contender series. You know, when you have your hand raised in the middle of the octagon that noise, how do you feel do you feel like that, that has to be an offer, or where's your mindset at that point? We'll two things one. Know a very self equal. What's not Bellagio Messina third round. So that was my main concern was doing. So it wasn't do that then, and never how donate a fight. So it. Komal dumped at cruise and miss about what heating and cooling easily folk shit out. Nobody knows just myself and not doing and take you out of everyone. So it didn't it was like. A what should you the highlights plucking buck dreams? I'll be. Yes, you did. To, to, to not get an walked guys guys find people free in huddle and low kicking them and they get one dot Las fight without guy. Swing getting I'll just fall over real caliber nets of mine. So to definitely go with that. Redan news. Like what else do you off to do it must be a navy situation. Brennan leaked when you finish your audio backstage, and then you're watching the last two flights plays area. No, no. You walk into the green roofing than you do your view. And while your views on what highlights of your own fight. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was very good. Yes, she's asking you questions at same time of that. Yeah. I'll be going. You don't have to even watch your. She gets old too in about room, when, when the less fights on. So you got the oversee decision. Right. The gun and just the way they do that. They obviously, will you go, and you could see your hand was in your phone, and always wondering, is it, can he see everybody saying like he this, he's definitely don't? We're just waiting to get to make it official at this point. I mean, did you were you able to look at the online, traction, you are getting before Dana white came out and announced, who was getting signed. You can see store shoulders on you couldn't tell anyone say right right, right? Like you know, he comes out eventually obviously. And then he says the words that we all didn't want to hear what, you know, we kind of says that take as cost you the fight that, that you landed on algae towards the end of it. I mean, what's that? Like I mean, you've got cameras on you, you're sitting right there on. This is the guy that, you know, you felt you don't know for telling you a takedown, which is obviously, a very useful piece of technique in MMA has cost you this, this contract. I mean. Just trying to put myself in your shoes during that situation. What was that? Like all on the five percents, I'm gonna show in this fight Englishman, coun- wrestle because they've been melting of wrestle in one hundred percent. Yes. So that was kind of like, I'm gonna show a lot, especially against a guy that I saw what it's verified when talks on it also to show diverse in atop. So that's what it was doing. The game. Plenty of these fi was to mix the striking eight dollars of this guy because he was good everywhere too. So that to the game plan to note today from corner was gonna take thousand cure in Los Los bay. Second sore death of seven, so it cost me a Trump is hard to believe when you hear it, though, like I mean, what's your reaction as you're hearing that? What you say buckets -solutely for Kidby. What do you do? Did you see the outrage online afterwards? I mean, does that coin to console you at all that so many people where live at this, including me? You know, a lot of journalist, and I'm not just talking about in Europe and I saw my good friend Ariel whiny talking about it. I know you're doing his show today as well. I mean, everybody seemed to unanimously degree agree that, that you would wanna know fair and you wear by fire the best for you to run display. Like I mean, does that was not noise to see at least given that what you came for didn't didn't come to fruition. Set me does it was crazy. You hit the nail on that crate, especially what you have through recalled who uphold said fall laws while even more than I even knew real. Thank you present it. Israel's seeing loot Tomas are seeing all these guys shit either guys. Forget never been elti on that show. So it was good. It was good out. Yeah. It was really nice, and it still is to is home blitz. Are you are you like where are you would it now as always said, on my on my rant about this? I mean you had Hugh had offers all over the place. And this is the road, you chose because this is that you want to be competing with the best in the world. And I'm sure your phone's blowing up, you don't have to go into details about that. But where are you? Now. Are you are you annoyed about this? Are you are you still are you pissed off? Or, or is this a good thing in the long run because it's probably opened up a lot of options for you. Still it away. It's not decided what the next move is the where we're gonna go from excel two times now than that. So what? Very worth my while 'cause it was long trying to get point. So I was next revived very well. If it's gonna is there an ideal outcome here for you. I mean, like if they come back, and they say, look, we want you to go back on Dana White's Tuesday, contender series, is that something you would welcome at this point, or or how do you feel about that? Pluck says still decided the game dot the really good. Bye. Well, they're gonna meet the damage you told Brian them on. Like you put up that post of, like, you know, you're, you're pissing blew it back there straight after the fort, you took damage to the face. This was a very high level Voight. That's what I keep on trying to highlight the people this, this was already worthy of the UFC and for you to have such a one-sided performance and to see that damage. Does that make it does not make a harder for you to to, you know? To, to acknowledge this decision considering the Taal that's taken on visibly. Yeah. We'll say that was the USC said, if you wanna give someone that's free allows show, you killer thing that you're talking about you would give a jump here from the guys ation if you wanna see level fight sometimes going to be the outcome. I'm willing to set at least that you give me it's over a bonus. Sill. So. This killer exalted about, hopefully, if you want to give me an inexperienced about the guys were five and hold free, and hold onto that no problem poking Trump and expects Joe for this killer in state is, oh, give up. Did those say anything to you after that point, probably celebrating their own at getting those contracts? Did you get to speak to the other two that were sewing today say eighteen to you in terms of us should have got the contract dot night or anything like that? Fellow heavyweight, heavyweight. You got that knock every yet, he was he was Saudi, because we all go to watch my highlights and use for, you know, to my highlights, Robin. You've got a month for sure. While still under zone. Visit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean is like do you regret at all going down this pot, like turning down options like Ronnie prior to you? Like what, what, what, what, what was that, all for because of this situation or is, is the US's still your goal basically is what I'm trying to understand? There's no regrets for taking, you know tune when it came. What did exactly will could do? Still, I say still don't know what the future is right now while I'm gonna do that sticks time off because it was very difficult comes while ball lines. So, like I say Scott, the he'll before Jim Madan make decisional we'll go. Did you sneeze Dane awaits, Coppa chain or anything before this the eighteenth? The Sean Shelby's cornflakes. We're just trying to understand it. Like the most feeling that Logothetis this journey, you've gone on just to get back the fact that you didn't get a second chance. Divorced time at the Duke and the by now here on Dana woods. Choosing contenders doesn't nearly feel like these have Vandamme against you at this. No, you have to be careful what you say now as well. Let's be honest because you've got all these options in front of you. Right. When you like. Grunted highly as I as long as the U skies that I run six of ten fifty. All I'm get signed and you'll go on defiling give you a chance and going forms. You'll get you decide. Well what do now? Dom talk to you afterwards was blown away this as well. I'm sure he was. Going so. Like I say you dumped w crews get you head so you can. Thug shit for sale really Royce. Well, when, when do you want to get back in there Brennan, like as a heretic, coined of think about when you wanna Foyt it again, because there's so many intangibles play at the moment, like do you have an ideal time? You'd like to compete again. Like I say to get me buckled on bills of befall. This is gonna have to fit rarely rarely wear file. Not to be good morning all doing so many more estates. Well, it's at that point. Like I mean you is that where you're at the moment, like it's your contemplating your future at this time? Yeah, we don't get an old twenty nine and auto fund Lille wanna do of stove, and, like I say, yes to, to going to get a bed for this one. Well, they felt as though, like every other promotion should have been jumping all over this, the traction, you got all of this coin stove. I mean, is there any way that this was a good thing for your career? I know that's probably very stupid thing to ask you right now. Just in terms of the amount of online, traction, you have everybody's talking about you feel more than ever. You're an international name. Like, like have you seen soins in terms of their promotion than still that this has made you a bigger commodity internationally? Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. Big was before these five. Do so that helps a lot like the husband offers accelerates a few days, I will look. Seat one as well. Finally go with that deployed from now. Well, it's, it's just you caught me off guard with the coin of, you know, you don't know if like I mean, this, this could have been your last void, is what you're saying. Sorry, I keep of asked you this question different times. It just it just stays away. A lost free things to do by deeping one in the US. Got to do what in the fall, I must be did dot now. And I was like, right. What's next, and the after really think about Ozzy does where I'm out of it just seems like there's so much left based on that performance. It was excellent. It seems like. No, I can understand where we're having this conversation. But I think anybody who saw that for it will be going. How can this guy be talking about retirement? He looked on believable, you know. Yeah. It's not it's not I'm not saying times the option to say right now at each of fake Osceola motivation. For example, I've got five and five show come out with public six spent on comparable, so the togetherness, like what would do you need some out of it? You need to motivate ya head this one pissing bloated brakeman knows. Of spending money to do that. What stage Morelli time into this to make money and stuff? So dot Sma primary concern over anything else about home saying, I can understand understand your nose. Okay. Look, I mean, the Senate was broken there. Is it do you know how long that's going to be heating? Knows his. Good. Well, look, Brandon ROY, I think it would be an awful shame, if we don't get to see you for it again. I think all the promotions Detroit, it break the Bank to get you in you absolutely deserve. You've proven toy Montoya again. You should have got a UFC contract, you're annoy. I'm very sorry. That didn't happen. But no that m the whole of European a wishing you well, and hoping that you get something sorted very soon. Thank you. 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Nice, try it stories about how people have tried to design a better world. And what happens when those designs don't go according to plan season. One is called utopian. And it's about the perpetual search for the perfect place. It includes cannibalism fascist architecture. Poly-amorous hermetically, sealed domes and Courtney Kardashians dining room chairs, but not necessarily in that order, new episodes of nice, try come out every Thursday. Subscribe for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Well, we are back on 'em. We have finally talked about the disaster was brought in Lucknow. Thank you to Brandon forgetting on and speak into the disaster. Brennan, non sailing Brandon's Asser was sorry, the venting. Feelings. Just won't find. They're all he was maybe listen to that, because, you know, obviously what he says, he's reconsidering his his career. Listen. I think when you worked out hearts, you know, hopefully as a tweeted today, after on Wednesday was the UFC, you'll take a few days, look at this again. Like we've made a legitimate mistake here. And so I would see that hop in the SE tone up on kgo employees gave the contract, because he deserves some Brandon, don't retire guarantee you keep knocking on the door. It's going to come down to will. Yeah. Felt like I need to clarify to hold because always going down that road. And I don't think he was. You know it doesn't seem like I mean a hope this a lot of options on the that's all say about it. And you know we have a lot to talk about this week. It's cage, warriors, one hundred this week. It's one of the most of an anticipated, carrot more than anything, I think this summer because it around the toils progress before we can get onto that we need to talk about ballots London. And. That wasn't without incident eater. And, you know, look there was some great flights on there. It's. Let's start the opt in work at the beginning. Yeah. All right. So Frans, Malambo had a fantastic debut, a big win over Nathan grace with, who I think is brilliant, Florida. When natan. When? To get a win. That's miss boy, everybody. They do put that open lines of people are gonna watch it in the moment. We're not seeing it and before Charlie ward comes to get a great comeback win. The op goes dark the prelims are gone charities. It's gone moist shipping Vive Stein is has gone, which was one of the best performance from Kozlova stainless. Fabian Edwards v Bassac was gone, and keyholes each got bonus footage. Well, it's ridiculous now thus three right? Right. This is the problem. You, you need to be building. Goes like Fabian Edwards when you are in the UK. All right. This is prime time TV and, you know, another thing that they miss because of this is the shipment with unsteadiness dot should have been the Foyt been seen as Fabian is the Fabian calls for afterwards that should have been the Foyt that every single person a home was calling for after this. But we didn't get to see von Stein as win in the time at the moment didn't get to see it. And it was huge. It was really impressive. I got the see to read cost via Paul Redmond. Off. But it's it's you're shooting yourself in the foot, when you do things like that. I mean, everybody was already complaining about where Fabian wasn't the car. The fact that nail is next voice isn't even being people aren't Dante's abating that already because of the fact that costlo wasn't on TV. I mean Kamanga is look. I mean we don't want to be given the stove every week. It's just it's for me, it's pushing talking about this, but we have to talk about it, because it's actually regressing if people are trying to tell me these are going to compete with the UC over a million Moyle poison. Anywhere. We need to be able to see the fights. Listen, I watch, you know, I came in after work. Sorry evening, I'll actually watch did the same as yourself put on the prelims of my phone work, then got a blockade, and how there beside me as Tanner, TV's on and work. Keeping annoying Nasha got home in the evening. Combeback in turn on the block out again. Go to YouTube. See day made won't go decision. They put Milan bows, vital against grazing on YouTube. A watched off a went on trying to choose China fall in Mongolian sky went to channel five spa. He thought I was fucking. So then a went back. Hod cage you have see flight possum Mullen, and then a heart's skysports in the TV damn you saw the end of the Fabian average. Fido, bonus footage here. What might go bird, then how to change over the gone like William we doing this? When does UFC green on? It's easy access. Can switch it on there? So I turned out on a realized that I had chained in the wrong gentle, the wrong channel, I was like fuck this. I'm not going for it. Again, was just like my, what I actually feel have, again, that shivering anger rage. No. I know. Isn't it? I got so pissed off. I went folk days after after James's fights Paul Davies fights. So I just was really go it. And so I couldn't be our speech anymore. What did turned on Greenville offer? The prelims and on my Mark book, and ended up stream gay guard me saucy illegally because it was way, way easier to do than to go having a big mission. Can I say, like this is not as fall, you've different platforms to watch wound full confide card seriously? Lots shaved go. Yeah it's not good enough. I will say just for those who are listening now, don't think voice are available. You can watch them all on the vitamin Cernan good that they did something to see the whole time. But it's, it's literally every card to not put the law on Fabian joke, but let's move on. Look, I think there's another thing. Do you think sports are happy with this situation? Kombi look, I mean, the fact that they had that emergency footage broadcast. Beginning this. I'm gonna look what are we doing? You said, I couldn't get this. They're actually quite close to Roman over telling him as as well. They would be pretty. Oh, yeah. My religious on their timings professionals, you know, them. Halfway elevator was approached me a lot without win over Gateshead. It was a course on euro. We should've known he was going to win. But you know I didn't think he was going to be able to implement the game on that. He did. It was actually really really impressive on 'em after the force two rounds like he's been grappling for ten minutes. You'll be exactly what I he's don't hear what he came back in the fifth, then to great again, it was like, so you can save himself took a Brown. Did you ever talk mode that will get? He's always looking to round than going to have to take it easy. He's back and do it again. I think that's what he did against McGregor. It was noticeable deterred Ryan Levada. I taught he was doing offer this Akron. Ryan, same as yourself conserved a bit of energy and came in on the French and it was phenomenal performance. I'm we were very very little spec last week. Then we taught upon ROY, my Donald fight yet, a name and Gracie just because of the stars. And the way okay guard is reading on his on his fees. Go drop recording the grand to everywhere. But I felt again though, like all great respect to Levada for winning the fight accent perform. Something McCague are there again. I think maybe this hop them the motivation thing, where, you know, it was really, really up for it going to be Tinky to taint keeps going to get the win. But I did I did notice. He spoke to Damon Damon Martin on Emma my voiding ahead of it. He he spoke of, of the press conference about as well. He using Flos everything he was talking about. It was about. I want to get paid more money that's always been gay or no gay. I get it. Do get home. When you that's great. But I just didn't feel like the when we spoke to the volatile, you could tell he'd been absolutely. Religiously studying gay guard Masasi eldest gay guys had Bill eighty four. I mean is there does it come to a stage where like, like, you know, I'm confident what I know and I'm going to go in here and get the job look at this experience compared the more experience. You know, like was it just one of those Foyt said he didn't expect to login ordeal book? No, I don't think it was. I think gay guard is more of those guys that takes his off the properties sometimes seen happen. The soda Royal hall, the first time won the rematch, we saw multiple other times where he just goes nice. And he looks at their flat. And I generally think it was, I think, if there was a rematch there, maybe gay guards could win. And I have to do the immediate rematch ING, so. Yeah. Five rounds was close a will say, like I mean, the difference found would Levada compared to Gracie against McDonald was it wasn't as, if Levada was never in a situation where grazie was where he's like, please kkob on the ground with me. He was forcing the issue he was chasing down. You can get them against the fence Anita. Meaty look for his back. He was constantly like solve this problem gay guard solve this problem. And I don't think name and ever manage to do that against Rory apart from league that he'll or something he did. I taught it was, maybe the mindset was similar to Rory from Cayard. Did he ever really look killer? Instinct on the feet. Not to me, it was surprising. I think as well. Jesus Levada was again unit. My jesus. Phenomenal performance. Let's take nothing away from Mr. Levada. That's, that's a phenomenal thing to do to come in. You know, after what time pro fights and win the battle tore middleweight world title. It's crazy. But at Melvin Manav can't Cup was a good for you. I mean, there was lots of knockdowns didn't watch. It was lots of knockdowns Melvin got the nod Ken, Ken run them close, you know, he knocked him down the force around himself, but then Melvin before it around ended. I think he had them down. It was very ding-dong stove. Irun Chalmers, even if he wins in the cage, he can't win, you know, like he saw the abuse. It's just it's relentless for him. Yeah. You cut back there. And he did it like I mean it's don't really look. I mean, I think you're gonna see this notable drop off in skillset like, for voice because irons only knew his career, you know what I mean? And I think it makes it stand out, though when, when you're frame Paul Daley. And it was a mon- off. Dan in canton, the for like I mean, that's just a different level of house detraction defined traction dropped off from earn charmers. I feel it does. But then I felt they came back at the weekend, and maybe a really felt like the loss. Iron iron isn't the toy like should be smoldering them cards. Big names. I did know. And what do you mean? You know, there was a lot of, you know, you know, Paul daily. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I talked all good. But when you're, you're getting in Manav set up like one of the goals, you're trying to build, you know, like that was a spot for Fabian, or, or Shipman von Stein lake. I know Fabius performance wasn't his most bacteria, but, you know, you have you have to get this going for this, you're going be on sports. Make you know what I mean? Like it's won't be surprised if someone told me and that he wasn't going to be on TV sags before to be honest. And it had an impact, like, look, I'm not that he not that I think he fought Bodley. I don't think he was very conservative, like the could see from the word go the John who could could buying. And they both. They both mix it. Oh, Barra Leon I think he was going to do. I have to go here and here and the sacrifice. This situation, I'm into give this show performance Dada into develop maturity, we'll sit still Stephanie centigrade. Yeah, it was a big carrot. Don't have it in front of me here, it was going to go back through what else we have ashamed and lobby on. Oh, oh, yes. James is. Straight after the fight. That was a shocking revelation, you know, unfair platoon forgetting and doing it always say to him and he's a very young. I always ate them. How do you deal with this because would crumbled many times if when oil was his age? It is coin of stress in this situation, so it doesn't surprise me to hear it surprised to hear him, speak, Zoll, calm the ability, I think that's a great. He was physically hot to be removed from the facility in SPG concord. Because the panic attacks thrown that series used to so far upon attacks and believe me, holy God, nothing. More frightening in your life than having Ponca talks horrible, horrible feeding. The all I want. Piece. And this this at there was very mature from Tacoma, but it's great from today. Tell you one thing, usually the same way as you'll see, would, you know, polarizing figures James straightaway. People are going, oh, what generally Ono's load, like he's not like he absolutely isn't. He's a black belt. And did you through James did that take down? He gets off the fence. He does the same thing every put he's so good. Ran was more. Oh, yeah. Bianco came back into San ran was more and sort of defining for me of walk, gotta hurt is a bay when he's on the deck. He re wrote dot rain with lobby on, on top of yet. Very, very impressive from James stops Akron. He obviously lost around then came back in the in the most explosive, what in the world, but when you're problems, like two weeks before fight, and you're the most experienced person you've ever onto get in there and show. Those bowls offer having all those issues to go out and get a win. You'll take it out on costs, and he did and fairplay young big old pairs Trevan yells on the bowls and. After about. All of our income got off to a win that was in the post limb their thing now and oppose him. But I mean, costlo van stain Isman that have you seen know unbelievable, like I mean he creased Shipman's a savage is an animal Mon, Mon, this costs on saints. They gonna make Fabian white and it's going to be absolutely notes. But could you imagine if it was on TV and people could have seen, and then they were like this is the fourth? They're gonna make well, listen hope that sorta new for the Dolan cards because it killed the shipment for they've killed like us we're playing around him which and you didn't make the happen now. You gotta make this happen. And just a note as well. Charlie ward has been amazing since you went to four no is foreign on home believable salvage record from Charley. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a hard tool for a head for the force is very difficult. I heard it was a pretty, like he, he lost it, you know, a pretty pretty console. That's charity is knocking paranoia thing when you have to knock para not division thought way class. You know, you can you can sort of sometimes lose around, and then come back into the next rain on, you know, go hell for leather and get an okay? Hopping and middleweight those divisions and put us say the Charlie's well, he seems to be getting very comfortable with the spotlight. Those he likes it. You hear the interview. School. Sean bets Steve has pointed it and get him backstage mine when Charley came well, never forget that Montebel to our wounded, and he just the whole place that was Mudgee. Everytime, and Charlie was brilliant against Chris guard ridi hotel. Good Paul ribbon is, oh yeah. Like Leary, the Chris born guard as we saw Harry razor. Just go. You house skills for charity to commit and do to them. I thought that was really really impressive. He was completely dominant though felt it's going to be interested to see now, I think Paul Paul wants to go to the states and fight against Americans from what I think he's been sort of putting it and Twitter dot so. And to see Paul get his you know am rewards. And just for being a servant of arguments Martius on the you said, beaten, always beaten and seem to spot in the combing, or main hers. It'd be brilliant. Great dude thing in terms of the US Kate Jackson, a great win over Lena. Competence, or secondhand, Terry brazier and back to winning ways after I lost the Cranston guy with a an Americana win over Allesandro body, Luke or beat. Natan roseman. Nathan rose was taught to be a big prospect. You know, Jimmy Manos been pumping not go along for lot Lou Gord and breaks winning momentum. He had ugly. Dave's gonna toe to the whole thing was like, right right in the ring pace canal canal has spoke to a galeria may saying that there's nothing wrong with that. There is absolutely run without your name put your your Fulton someone's Cavas. You're just not how. Take your time. No. You're just asking lady was approved the guards, his hotel room. It was it was fucking skills. It was graphic belts were there. Clouds of eight and their Instagram. No, shane. What I mean these things have to be oil. They do spoken more swear to God this computers at the full. Cave, good great himself against global fund, though. Find explosive striker Keith. It was time there with him like he went to the full fifteen minutes on short notice, and I'm still going to say it again. If you wanna put on a fight and Dolan for Dylan donnas Keith, and they're saying, no, but they aren't going to right. The ki tree and four new or what's down? Don't wanna fight out one hundred and eight year. Because special Koch weights that he does. It's called donnas. Wait on a small have, you know, I am. But I mean, I think that's a realistic opponent Keita's one forty dangerous in in situations. He he has lost a key or he has lost Richie, I think these are all reasons that will help him if they wanna put on there, and I also think it'd be a big thing for Donna's to Doberman. Like look at the look at the rupee adequately coming off the back of his relationship with McGregor. We could see you can see him the out in Dublin and getting a big response from the crowd there. Man. I cannot see. I know the credit will be with them. Ask has. But it's not even that it's like it is that it's con- funds. I mean the abuse that Moyle was getting this is good. It's important over here for ages representing Orland, and look, that's the way it is. And look at. That's touched on into a good thing. More zephyr, turned into a good thing for Peter queries. Everybody's happy and I think would look good for bell tower to have Dylan walk Dolan. You're, you're more to see photo dots on a card here. Then you will be a different promotional the NFC because obviously they can build him here to make sense for him to come totally agreements. I think we'll be. City reaction, though. I don't think it'd be is playing Salem is Iraq. It will be, you know, some of the pictures and stuff he puts up. Great provocative. And that's what we want. We don't want boring. No. You. No, listen. I think it will be a good scrap. But listen, the baladora matchmaking is made the, the best in, in recent months in Orland anyway, would add juiston Borland's, and I should mention also we gotta win over Wendell Lewis looked like annoying second K over. They believe that when the Lewis's knee went so unfortunate when for him and John Redmond's losses decision to Kevin for and. Fell to seven and fourteen there without one booed him. He has put out on social media that he will be back on you. And he felt like he put in a good performance force for on the SPG. Boehner. Of course, we also we already mentioned friends on Natan as well. Let's get onto the US Greenville, we're only going to go to European still fair because it's just which is we goes, I'm sorry, and eventually zone yet will definitely give as dimension. Now look in a finalist going forever. They ever since his WBZ days. Looked bring that is no mean feat. What he did them. We God zombie funds crying in the arena. Well believe in double. Listen to go do dot against I let more Ikano we thought it was an animal, we taught, you know, it was very impressive from one of the best featherweights of all time. And just say I love to do with zombie did Tim op -solutely when a from the get-go on slaughter pour Moi county. It was over offer that I let him do the knee landed Juneau is the right the right hoax at all. It was it was Louis county. What, what I love about it is, I didn't know if he could ever come back and rejoin the top division after taking so long to see him. Do it all he's doing. He's doing, you know, he's already doing it own believable, go. And I just love his energy. It's completely different. The mysterious dude, you know what I mean. Like did his minutes? Three service came back has a family is so much support and Korea gray hair. You know, the best t shirt. Great great. I loved mystique as you say about him. It's like this Seabra hero from. Obviously foreign loans and South Korea. Molly, like, obviously covering ballot or for its or you could. You'll see and Twitter's going focus watched. One even Bruin got onto me. He's like Molly looks own believe like it's rate up broin to get on that. You know. That, you know, he was like Molly looks own. Believe Molly wasn't getting beaten annoy Greenville, Rashi screaming her name. She's so cool on me. Pulled me bull. Just she's just a simple person on g relates to so many people, she's real. She's she is a people's time. You know, it's the best thing about her is, she's an advert in farm. Look, I feel like you know, look, we were really soya, but this cage origin vk as champion. You know are in a difficult situation. Like a don't think anyone would have predicted that she comes in. And she loses to in the anyone the end of the first Ryan's molotov oversee gotten a dominant position then she can control. And she was not the hammer fists on the side of our Yanni's face. Ariani gaup. She looked ROY walked left her legs were all over the place, just wonder if she took such bashing in her first false confidence. While he's unclearly. She nervous not I fight as well. All you anyway, she didn't let go. She let go little bit more than this one. But towards the end the wrench she just little, she just didn't want to be in there. She was white is ghost just use that in the phone there today. And then just here between the segments around thought that was even worse. It was look, look coaches had to urge to go buy Molly was overwhelming her, like overwhelming are like I mean, toy and we said, we, we said the big thing about this was, who's going to be on the phone full because both do a lot of damage on the. Molly took it on what I know it's been Molly was, she was completely common the corner. Look, she was very relentless in the in the actual case. But when she went back to our corner, she was talking to everybody. Find really calm. We'll have to go in and do this on it's just bringing together. She wasn't as maybe rattling frenetic like she's. Yeah. Hostile. She was cool calm composed calculated on. You could see difference from her last two fights. I think our Yanni I don't know what's going on there as well too. Big step. See we see a big step, put some we often say this show, obviously a lot of hack. Sadist. You learn so much from your first loss, but it can go two way. Sometimes, as you know, you over tainting dot looks like is what a top with our Yanni smash she the nerves like you could Ted our legs. She just didn't look though. She wanted to be in there to no way. Agree agree boy. I just think we should say fairplay Molly looks many people where after her for his against Indian, she's rubik's, blah, blah, blah, you shoot them up, money fairplay, these should therefore can mill. Mill performance against the fantastic. Works for our Yanni. Well, she's brilliant. She deserves the being nominal. Fighter cheapen this win for Molly Makonde. That was a savage editor and moving on Italy's Panna destroys women. I have written down here. We don't know if no one's claiming was one of our, our transition. Set is four to concerns that William and getting back in there. It's four years since we've seen him in the in the ultimate flight attendants justified on really, you know it was tough to watch. I don't like saying it Tokyo Horner probably should've pulled them between the second authority. Yes. A lot of blood coats. He just got sparked a content that's beyond all respect to Panya decent. Fighter is a world beater. I don't know probably not a world beater. Yes. You Clinton say, well, he's very easy. He's a difficult skills. Look that much like he's he's hired to fight. He's very tall. But when he's Lada knee offer knee after knee for two rains, come on. You know. I thought he did a print job. The corner shoot of locked dot gun. Modern in this knee more. Let's pull them. But from the sacrament he's beaten up. It was a mess. It was. It was just all clause afterwards, listen, great fight. But I think you draw line on on, let's just hope to watch when you guys I dot come back and constantly the sport alone. There wasn't there was one, I didn't get to see on this car just overlapped on then because it was on the main card. I couldn't access it that easily, and unless you ditched Rico is that always is. Rickie oh or. Well was he robbed because that's what a lot of people are saying. I wasn't overly wasn't. No, I'm not gonna comment. I don't know. It was a Robin e got pissed off. Actually probably scored for his opponents. All you what did I have it? I had twenty nine twenty eight. So I believe it was one of these points if you look after the, the interview in the false, he stormed off was no, he wouldn't shake your haunt. He was on. He was screaming on him his dots. Kevin Harland Kevin Holland. It wasn't. It was a poor for honesty. It wasn't a great voice, but a Kevin Holland to believe popped his shoulder eight as well. Dislocated a shoulder between Ryan's and so to get a win as opposed to those circumstances. Cool. Boko. He's really didn't seem to get gone at all. And I don't think Dana white would be to Hoppy and watching us who knows after Brennan, still he loved it. Didn't I almost thought? And I almost thought. All right. All right. All. Well, let's get onto the main event of everyone's weekend. Bare knuckle FC from the beautiful town of Florida. And local was there for one reason for item on the wasn't ever. Anything else to be honest, some friends come over to watch this on the interest was really doing on dealer body came out. You know what I mean? Chris'll even getting, you know, again, on just look, I was gonna say you did watched his for, for the function of this show, data free on air sports so unfair play to verbally item. You know that's a, that's a big win. That's two wins in a row, Barron. Okel FC. He has. He is elevated stock to a level far beyond where he wasn't the US. Now he was driving the interest in this. I'm sure Polly's tickets were his boxing history as well. But my God Artem leaves that would a hell of a lot of stock and that man is going to get paid wherever he goes, if he wants to fort and bare knuckle Fernow, if you want to go back to Emma, if you want to go the bucks over feeling is going to be a lucrative situation room for, you know, he set off the forty one stop Barron, local world title. So that's an interesting one for me. But I'd like to just comments. Artem, first of all, I thought he showed her her class offer. The fight yet and Sony bought obey paulie. He's themselves very well to wrote this emotion. We've never giving him too much stick. Polly was the one that was really bringing Chris was bringing into the golden amount to commence same on the. No, it's toll for competitive guy. Paulie and say he didn't hit me like the model your face. Like do you know what I mean? It just bothers me like only the ones who needs. The whole fight and dissolves different knuckles. Most. Tentacle or whatever they call, listen to. Unploughed fighting again because I don't like you think you're disgraced boxing. And the way you carry yourself spitting on the guy's face just to listen. Break his teeth. Yeah. What he said is on the build up to actually to, to MMA fighting what he said was clapping was from a press conference. You know, talking about boxing funds and MA funds than Jose case. He was over. There is absolutely just ludicrous comments coming into go guys made, I was glad I hate your wages. I know it might so boxing wouldn't do for you there. You go, so. Yeah, listen. The bucket Paul fairplay to Artem. I'm still is probably donate. Do you believe he's don't? Yeah. Yes. Konate saying he was going to do what he did. And then didn't get a sniff going on. You are near it. And of course, the first thing he said, I think everyone sort of said before on. Oh my hands broken. Okay. Okay. My just go gracefully. It's just very frustrating to see Artan. We did. Did you ever think? Yeah. The fifth on you know watching the fight. Paul, Randy faints, contact arts was watching. It was pressured the president president all was trying to land. Always trying to go, I think ability to close distance from his MA background actually reading. Disclose counters in the pocket all items ruin from. Changing. Fare best Luma. Yeah. Well, Tony card himself accent, whether I think it's great to see him doing so well beyond the US because I never felt they like I mean there were putting them in big spots. There was no real I never felt it was a good plan for. Yeah. You know felt like they were just. Oh, that's once. Oh, that's do this. You'd wonder about paranormal though, you know, where's this money you know how long it's gonna go on. Yeah. I didn't like the I mean, the product was good at didn't look too bad. But it just don't know. It was very hard to hold my interest. Like I mean me in the loudest watching it, we got excited the vaseline situation. We really petroleum jelly getting this Louis updating about this again. This is far more interesting. Listen to you. It's gonna take me. It's gonna take a big for me to go back, you know. Seeing Christly knocked of it. Come on. With our decision got beat no body only way and coda Cochran. It's just it's just an art on Jason OI to the best bodes Jay's my they should've left him outside the ring for now, if it was weird. Yeah. Trains got he's calling paulie Mellon is. You just lost. My said he's gonna retire sit down. Yeah. I think Artem was like. Studio again for you again. It's not for me. Again, you know it's, it's, it's the older fighters. Oh, do you have? That's you know, boxers going in its someone's going to get seriously hurt all feel. So when thinking about the children and right now we have a Hugh, we're going to have a really in depth look at this cage, warriors, one hundred when we're back, there is no better way to start this off than to talk to nNcholas Dhabi, Amman whose story has really, really resonated with the fan base. I mean nNcholas HUD, some serious issues with depression has mental health after UFC stint. He's gone back to the pot, which got him to the big stage cage warriors, and it didn't go all that. Well, first of all, you know, we came back, and there was a split decision laws. Decarlo. Peta solly. It says something about the strength of nNcholas Albee's name, when go get sewing immediately after beating that's, that's valuable a win is seeing over Nicklaus-style be this weekend for. He's Ross use them for the wealth, the way toil Russ. Houston's already got the golden ticket in the belt. But the one thing you need. If you don't have it already with the belt is a win over UFC veteran on here comes nNcholas. This is a very, very interesting. He's a very, very interesting man because Dhabi. So we're gonna leave you what our interview with him, and we'll be back in about fifteen minutes to really give this guy. Good looking over. He is one of the most talked about mine men on this cage warriors, one hundred six the noise of champions. He is the mind. Everybody's talking about ahead of this one, ladies and gentlemen, Hoppy, to introduce nNcholas Dalby back to euro by nNcholas. How are you, my friend? I am doing awesome. Thank you. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm even better because I get to what you this weekend. And I mean it's, it's an incredible one. Because you know, it's been a long road back to this toil on your ROY here now I mean, this has been a three journey with cage warriors, since since your departure from the UFC got off to a not a great start without split decision loss to Pedder Sally, but you've bought back with to bridge. Wins against the hor- and more. Peter. And now you're here. How does it feel? It's so close. Now you can nearly took it. It feels amazing. It's yeah. It's, it's I think last night I had this like full circle moment with, with old coincidence of teams together for the fight. So this is just to me feels like I'm cement thing. My destiny on my place in wars. I'm an in the future of this. Royal, I mean you made, no secret about, you know, bottling your demons ahead of this, and that was way before. Even even the Pederson for that you came out and you made this public, I mean is a good to see so many people get behind you and support you because I've seen a an amazing outpouring of emotion for nNcholas w over the last year. Yes. Of course when you when you bay yourself and open yourself up to the world. It's, it's nice to see that. What I'm putting out is, is getting well received. You know, it's, it's personal stuff. So I'm just happy that the people they take something from it. Be it's getting better mental health themselves adjusts of, you know, getting interested in this Danish fighter so laws. I'm just happy to support them at a how because of this it's, it's actually a big -ployed in the, the fighting industry. It's something that I hear about an awful lot don't see actually being talked about publicly. Look, you did a lot. Do you feel like you know, maybe it's going to help them? Go is to see you speaking about this, and seeing how successful you've been since then. Do you, you believe it will help some for it as to see you being so open like this? I, I hope so. I haven't heard from any fighters that have well actually been a couple. I think actually, if I think about it, it's been a couple of guys. Let me know that, you know, is inspiration to, to hear me getting back on the horse after after going through what I did that was rations to them. But also from just, you know, normal regular people that. You know, doesn't fight that. That's also found symbols gracious, my story, so that, that just adds even more fuel to the fire. Absolutely. I've gotta ask you about your opponent Russ used in the champion. There's, there's been a lot of talk between you to go is you haven't been showy about putting your finger in each other's chest. What, what, what do you think of this going, Russ Houston? I mean, have you watched his voice, and, and if so what do you think of is ability? First of all. Well as a fighter he's decent. Of course. Washed all his fights as I always to with every opponent. I fight. And, and he's, he's got some tools for sure. But I also think that the he talks the talk but he doesn't walk the walk if you know what I mean. He I don't think his his fighting skills matches his. Self-confidence ROY do you, do you see the parallels that always see between you on your first run will cage warriors when you are undefeated on Ross now? Do you compare that do you think it's an a similar situation? He's into where you were on your first cage warriors. Essent. Not really. I felt like even back then I was complete fighter. And if I'd fought him back, then I would've for sure when the fight as well. So. So that's just a comparison, as far as we're concerned. Yeah. I, I don't see it. You know, he, he seems to be a nice guy, but he just I think the way he tries to come across it just gets a bit cringing because he's trying to. It's the new thing and these days, the king of cringe in the UFC on, do you believe Rossel's cage warriors, the king of the king of cage warriors, grins? I let the people decide that but I don't you know, I think I feel like he's trying to hot on the chosen falls through. Yeah. He's a big dude. Like when when I look at the foot like his soy's. Always it's staggering nearly when you see go. He's very very big. Do you feel like that's a key weapon for him here? His just his sheer physicality and soy's. Yeah. In some in some aspects of the fight it for sure is. But again, I don't feel like he's so good use lasting his his weapons. Let's see improve for this five up taking count for, for that happening as well. And that's that's why feel like he isn't living up to his potential 'cause he east is I think he's on performing in regards to to the physical traits. He has. And me personally fighting him. Yeah. He's a big do, but he's not bigger than Dr until even like I think one of those are my fourth fifth profile, you know, a photo huge Finland. So I've been in that with the people that his size, you know, of course, they can they can they can be strong. But the then the so many other things you can do with them. Yes. Feels like a silly question given that your ass gone the navy and on everybody over there is at least two foot taller than me at least ninety way you know, you goes real. He's a he's look when people look at this point Nick, the one thing people keep saying to me, is, like Houston's, never fought a Gorelick nNcholas Dalby before they feel like you're the best opponent these ever been put against 'em. Can you say that same thing for him because we know that who you fought? You know what I mean? Can you is anyway, arguable that this is the biggest test of your career? I if, if I look at the. Look at Houston paper. He's, he's nowhere near that the most dangerous opponent vote for sure. This is one of the most pivotal fights, Mike career. So the fight itself. And of course, there's a part of that is, is a very provable win for me. But looking just that use them and the tools he carries an toolbox I wouldn't put him on a you know, top three of the best opponents fold. So, you know it was wondering about that. And I'm also wondering about an unbeaten going when you're planning is a heritage to, to plan for an unbeaten because you don't have that footage of him being beaten. Because in a lot of people they go and beat. And then they're forced loss. Everyone says there's the blueprint to beat this doesn't make it a more difficult task to construct a game plan to beat this. He hasn't been beaten before. Kind of depends on if he had loved, how he lost, like if you've got knocked out and six seconds, she wouldn't be a thing ROY. So, but, you know, he's he's gone to love the sessions with me as a lot of footage on him. And you know, that's given us a very good picture of who he is a fighter. And in what way we think he could have improved. Plus, he puts up a lot of stuff in his social media, that gives us clues as well. So. Yes. This about what can you can you elaborate on that somewhat or this, a secret that you're not telling us. It's not a secret. We've just been looking at what he's been putting out on social media. You know, having a look, it's giving you some hints. Well, it's, it's confirmed things. Let's say like very interesting. But, you know, yeah, he's he's, he's when you indicate one thing is looking video, and one other thing is being in the kitchen. I, I recognized that pill slowly not that I overlooked him. But I from looking at video of him a thought it was maybe gonna be an easier fight. Plus I was coming back from, you know, along views, stuff like that. So, so it was a more difficult than I expected. So having that happened to me has for sure. Put me in a state where I'm never gonna look past on ever. The listeners of the show will hear interview with grain Boylan later on in the episode. But I'll tell you something, he said to me, and he praised you not only as a foreigner, but as a person, but he also said that he believes that, you know, four fighters could be on the US's right after this event. The one of the most prominent stories, the most prominent story is. About the fact that people believe that you're not only funding for Ross Houston's, well the way total. But they believe you're fighting for a slot on that UC Copenhagen card when this was announced people are saying, if Dhabi wins this he should be the first name on that card. Do you believe I mean seeing this grow and grow since the fights been announced, do you, do you believe that this is the one? This is the one that will get you back to the promised land, so to speak. Yeah. I like the way you put it. Yes. For sure. That's, that's why feel this fight is so pivotal. And that's why prepared so intensely for a really been improving my skills, even more than the last flight, and especially my mental where I'm mentally has has gotten even better than before. Do do the UFC give you a hint when you're this close to something like this, because obviously, it's hard for media goes is to get this information all the UFC m d do you get a hint when it's coming up close? Or do you just get a feeling? Does it just feel like everything is moving towards that situation? Well, if you're asking me directly, if I've gotten any hints in, though, what happens, but that could be my manages just, you know, messing with you, you know, making sure my head is focused on the right task. But I think either way. It it doesn't matter too much. 'cause I think being you know, told that, hey if you win this fight you having secretly, if you win the fight you're gonna win, maybe that could put some pressure on that will be detrimental. So I like just focusing on this fight and doing the best job as I can. And then that should the, you know, that's what happens next surely, if this void goes, according to plan, and you of the performance that you have planned in your Moines. You'd be disappointed if that called in Comber like I mean, would you be a shouldn't be putting? Absolutely. Yeah. I'll be I'll be very disappointed because I really feel like even the last fight that I showed I am way better than amazing than. Yeah. Thank you. I'm way better than than everyone else in the case was lots division right now. So and you know, I really feel out, I'm a couple of steps ahead of couple levels about and yeah, so don't get signed bacteria rec-. They're they are missing out, then they making a mistake. But they like to make good decisions. So I'm sure it's going to happen of the put on an awesome performance given everything that's happened Nick, and given the road, you've been on this amazing story for for guys like me. Especially, of course, put him, you know, do you look back on your UFC void Sam, you know, the last couple of deep. You look back in them, and unrig wres-. Did you have any regret when you look back on them or how do you feel about it? I did have one point. Now I don't have any regret anymore. That was that was part of, of journey to be where I'm at now for better or worse. And if I hadn't gone through those fights gone through all the shit out, gone through a wouldn't have been where I have now with the beautiful fiancee, incredible amazing daughter, good, mental health. The I'm in a good place right now. So I wouldn't like switch out anything else, and I wouldn't be where I'm today. Stuff hadn't happened the way that it's an incredible. Look you have. Do you have a look? I mean, this is a very cliche question to ask you, what do you have a prediction, when you think about this will end is a way to keeps playing in your head? When you see. Feel violence. Well. I like the sound of that. Make did you get dealing with shorts the way? That's, that's another question. I wanted to ask you saw you online earlier. You want the leopardskin shorts for this one. Apprentice, my thing though, he has his apply yet. I think I'm. The am looking for reply, maybe I'm no famous enough. Do have a blue check Mark on Twitter. But yes, replied you terrible. This is terribly gotta tell you where you got the goddamn leopardskin shorts Buddha. Second making. It's always a pleasure. I'm going to see you in London, and we can't wait to see you for it again. Thank you for giving me so much time ahead, this really appreciate you. It's the pleasure. Always to talk to you. So, yeah, call me anytime which Nick, you have to look after their you can hear him annoying by taking over time with our father and various. All the vest, move friend. You're welcome. This is Karen wisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week, we have candid in depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin. We talk about how they got to where they are today, and how their work is changing our world. New episodes of Rico decode are released every Monday and Wednesday. And we often have bonus episodes on Friday. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Great to speak, the nNcholas nickleby has always one of mine. What a Gente account. Wait. I think it's main event for a reason given his story, given given the implications of a win for either him or Ross, I think is up -solutely massive for everyone really fighting for the toilet. I'm the rest. It's huge. It's huge. Let's have a look great. Let's get Minneapolis. I would away, there's only a couple of Europeans on this card and its main event at boy Francis Francis and Gandhi from France, not Cymru. More. Does not us or you can see this being a serious serious task for Francis to be honest or idea. Like, I think junior story is unbelievable. I think he's believed. I think he's made a lot of goals look amateur that he's been there recently. But of course, at the end of the big front, he's got power, and he can't keep on going, and what do you think about main event? I mean, do you do you feel like we haven't really seen the loins the bookmakers loans? The feeling I'm getting seeing online is a lot of people. See Francis in the ascendancy here. I think it's going to be a close one on the on the bulky lines, definitely to elite level goalies. It was interesting today Francis and Ghana questioned juniors village. He has presented GT blocked belt. Abuse. And I think maybe a good toxic because we've seen gene got rattled once or twice, and he doesn't tend to perform his best when these in rattled sort of state of Moines. So this a wide open when I see this playmate in the feet though, as you said, you know, the box, and we've seen from junior to Santus is such an elite level. I think it was beat ban brought Rothwell and Croatia. That was like in clinic was a blog. Even off that he fought his well made him. Look, look what always don't combinations on the feet, and the variation of he'd e so fast easy, getting a boxing ring for me. Oh, yeah. I think you already has. And then you have the, you know, Francis and Gannett you just have that hellish parrot that he could, you know, if you lands, as well you know, what way to call this footage. I think it's a really fascinating Francaise does of the potential to land junior senior office game and certain flights as well. He has we've also seen fronts. Definite office game. This is going to go one way or the other obviously bought it. Just office, coin of really sure what for you. We're going to see my interesting. Could see a terrible as well possibly, you know, Boko he's been a little bit hesitant. Gauge a little bit like the fight where we saw Lewis. Yeah. I wouldn't wouldn't really be ROY, I don't, don't expect expect union Tacoma on wanting to torture, get in and then very quickly. Then it's going to be gone business close this like it's gone again, you know, getting bashed up against the cage, and then just unleashing a colossal rice on J JD has had knocking to mate. It's it is one of those flights. I think we're gonna see a really explosive fight. That's gonna end in Rams are fight that's going to be pretty stale on. Maybe a little bit Chaz. Like junior has a his way and he's able to pick them apart. I don't think Joe Frantz makes the difference. I think it's different for in the steep, where instead of having someone lawyer on you. You're gonna have someone Tatyana in you. I junior has one stop power one hundred percent. I'll definitely go back and look at American for Jason report at juicy form Egan job Bellavia does. The number one contender might never. The Komen event. It's just make a decision. He's got the return Damian Moi against Anthony Martin. Yeah. But the one the, the other big European interest in the car. It is. Of course, Paul Craik taking our own defeated opponent. And this has become pretty much the the standard macho for Paul now. You're just you're going to be funded undefeated going Paul every single time he's coming off that win over candy juke was he called the African East African savage or something like that. He's from killing exam anyway, and I think it was just you just you just wonder oppose them. Some of his wins the is being very underwhelming in the fall. He's still gets doing still gets don't maybe the SE bras, and we don't want this in here. But he's he's winning. He's pulling out of the bike going for broke. Let's just keep terms. The Williams time to look it like almost. Don't kill owner dog story. But everybody's backing the toured around so mission for all these days, I think it was the fight, you know, and I just I always sort of worry Paul his gas tank doesn't seem to be the best. It's weird when because this is one of talked to you Bill before I think like it's weird. The fact that you're ROY in the sense that joining the full he but somehow he didn't pull out this mazing grapplers. I where are you finding the energy for this? That's why I like this story thrown into the wolves the whole time on if he does this now again, like I spoke to Paul about this before, on the show, it's like he's got that ruin of on the go is the moment, boy, feel it could be tagged onto wins. One against Kennedy against Leno manifield. They're gonna start throwing him to to these two monsters. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, look at look at his losses, they haven't been too bad toys, and petro Khalil Roundtree like these are. Yeah. They were getting the polls from the from the bras and the FCC. So it's. It is. It's an interesting one. Who knows Paul Craig upon release. I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to it. Now, let's get onto the real business. The real stove. Its cage warriors one hundred mile oil have been doing his car on a little bit or love the, the whole the whole idea that these guys can change our lawyers would a win that night. As we know them cage warriors, toils, golden take to the UFC, and six normal, grabs like this. We'll talk to grain Boylan about this later. But this is a big risk for promotional cage warriors to put that many toils on a card. Like I mean, this is believable, three four five six unbelievable at Dalby Houston's of very interesting much. I mean Houston is the. The only blemish career he looks the part. He's huge on here comes Dalby after bottling all these Damon's, Tacoma, turn reclaimed built on on. Everybody feels as though if Dhabi wins, he's going straight on Copenhagen Carter. They think he's the force name the she'll be on the sheet. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. You know, for Nickless Albie credible. He's tweeting a bed at the whole time and again on this week Cohen, hang. So proud of the Danish funds for it. So already, you know. You know. Just think maybe it's a worry for me when he's are taking a base the future it's impossible, not. No. It isn't put someone's that using. Was in Stockholm. Everybody's was backstage. Dalby Dalby, everybody and potentially arm back. Listen, it's an you think it's a no brainer. But how many times CFC make fake? There you go. And listen. Yeah, I'll just for obviously had mental issues as well. He's, he's talked about the depression and things like that. To maybe build yourself open, it just maybe takes off the little bit of wadis hopping in this out of a little bit of worry in relation for this open. So impressed Ross Houston as well. Yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast. Like you know, as I said before this is this is a win. That's every bit as important to him as it is the Dalby. I mean he needs that win over you of veteran. We saw Carlo Petrzalka to last month. Bet Nichols was sowing within weeks of beating that's the coin a pedigree, that's way too UFC him. You know what I mean? He's right there, and definitely like just look at the goal is they've seen in the past, as you said, you've ballots going into this going to be probably the most watched show, the year would. On UFC passes. Well, a guarantee Dana white and them showing you'll have they're always in this one on hopefully batter all used in the last. We're gonna see Jack ground for, for a lightweight toil. Obviously, this was the Goya everybody wanted to see sarin back voice this fall. Sarin bike, obviously dropped down to featherweight won the interim toil against Morgan, Jerry. And then, you know, the recipe toil has been essentially vacates, and so Jack grant joy Hebert month. Holy shit is a barn burner. Forever was like I mean, can you believe that that bomb didn't resign joyously? They let them go off. Look look at this, like, are you kidding me much? Look a mean against McColgan that was the one that put him on the map lake. I mean he's already. Let's be honest put that was like you're going in there buying McColgan on your without result when, when you Joe McCall, and it was, you know, you're gonna open level in our cage, warriors rankings here. You're gonna you're gonna pretty much soon fight for Todd uninteresting wins in a row category. Isn't it? You know as much as respect joy I love this. If re-something onto seventy this could very well be reasonable versus Jack too much, not as well. Just just nobody before I think this one's you know, someone's guy finish here. But if we look at joy's last fight on holy fuck thought was like that was impressive impressive stole against even O'Keefe to, to just take a mate, and knock devastating for all team. Joey on after being after being under it for the full four minutes. I was getting obstinate east. Schwinn one opportunity. Presents pop up your don't I gotta say, Jack was one of the goals are putting away prospects to watch him. He just looks own believing. Money's a good lawyer Lloyd way too. It's hard to believe twenty-seven money's obsolete monster of dude. And his last forty bet the Lasco you bets are back and he had a great performance Perry. Goodwin who we saw in there with again. I mean, I just think this is an absolute animal, and he's on a. A six four win streak. I see. I see joy, as a story of, like I mean, you can't not see that the way he did that the Steven one opportunity, and that's the way it's doing believable, but all of this real stole clash, I it's really, really really, really good for and another for all of all these Dane Truman v. Mods Burnell Burnell is another comeback. The cage warriors, look like he's completely separated from the field like he looks believable and dean Truman is this going concert on her dog ago? He was putting the putting the hard work people who know the game no Houdini Truman is. And this is like Cohn. See sarin back in danger, but I think this is just as good for eight months. What happens if you know, everyone puts on folk and barn burner here in these six fights and wins the price of twelve it's toll fun, Huda sewing, like dots it, you know, I it's I think I think the UFC you've got to be looking at modern nNcholas. So I think they have to be I don't I don't think so. I mean, I think wins Amer specially big. Yeah. Probably your dad, right. Most of the, you know, the goal he's from what region as well as we worked down the car does also other things and grain boiling, Disney interview that we talked about in the interview, it's coming in the show when you've got goes like middleweight and heavyweight point for toils. They're a major the on the radar, and that's a great to speak about the town's end of origin. Mr James Webb, he his stock is going over him on. You can feel feel it in the fan base. He's beginning to connect with them and a win here. Over notorious Frederick, improves the seven and one without middle-way toil wrapped around his race. He's young, he's the UK and you know, I think he's not from Cal Chester anymore. These from swords yes from team KF bought 'em. I just get the feeling with webby that web web you going with the webby, but I get the feeling that, you know, he's a going needs to be ready for the call because I. Middleweight when you have that toil, you're very close. It could happen at the drop of a hat and putting the toys Frederick, dares to, maybe you feel those web house to do something spectacular. He has he's capable of it. Look, I mean you see getting away from James because he's so good in the ground you sold up. Yeah. He's when he wound the toil put them I think it's a big one for him on. It's a big move for Chris feels Tom king. All the goes down there on. We'll talk about another one of their fighters in a few minutes. Som- Krizia Floyd. Do you worry like I mean for the flow will be always remembered Nate and grays and beat some crazy. He gets the toilet Lenny leaves, because he says, look, the UFC they hav any plans for flow. Why do I keep killing myself to get down here today? Let's be honest about it on CNN. I it's, it's Henry save. It will save it, though. I think Dana white said he did. And we always know he tells attorney has a treat every week and you need glasses. Spec savers for won't believe right? Listen. No fly gone as far as I'm concerned, you don't expect a Tim to class. Yeah. No, I'm not saying, oh, no, no. I know. But when you're, you know, you're releasing guys like prospects, the whole time of shorty Tarez has gone like about six months ago was on beaten. He know. You know. You're not they're not gonna sign, you know if. Disappointing because I was always a massive advocate for the flyweights watching them. There we go. Regular weekly Shaka shot. Now, they actually hear this comes through, but it doesn't matter yet it's just frustrating for these guys on shore. Because, you know, I think every fight is dream is to get the UFC, and when you're on a platform like this, and then you have cer sewing flyweights you're probably going to be going. Go to thirty five pains lots sorry about. Yeah. If you wanna fight in the US's going to be up to thirty because they're not doing I think Scott, poker's really, you know, shit the bad as well. And again, by saying they're not interested in denoted twenty five painted rowing. Cores can sell tickets on. Here's the flow weights. There you go. But like a module, the wealth of talent they could sign on created division of bills. Really oppressive quality division on their turn their back in obsolete. Ludicrous, in my opinion. Yes. Yeah. I'm just not sure. In this title fight, as it is, for the guys in terms of yet, USC trajectory to toil Martin hamlets, this Goi has been talked about boys, some of the best word is in the world 'em at Volk on Alzheimer's. Singing this raises head of his last Voight. Everybody in Scandinavia going crazy. But this going, I think he's got something like fifteen world honors in wrestling. He's even as training with some of the best goes out there. And he's going to be put up against Modesto cow because who is a savage striker, and I feel like the way hamlets being talked about. He is like I mean he's right there. You know the way he's held in that esteem. He's at two oh, four again increase field says he wants to challenge two winner of this UFC. But I think you think he goes, the Norwegian Norwegian, it makes sense to tro on. And Copenhagen Cardiff, if he goes it, and makes a statement like there's a lot as you said on the line here for especially discount the navy and guys because literally, I think anew go you in college. That was lives, Dan. And in Sweden on. It's literally, I think twenty minutes across routes Copenhagen from where he was living stuff. You know, it is, it's a lot of areas there that intertwine with the city of Cockburn hovel. So yeah, this bring them with a focus chasing. Ratliff, who, who was previously fought James Webb, he lost a there's fund KO a lot of people were very upset about against hack and fuss. That's gonna be a savage, our Scandinavian. How can I always brings it in Gary and look of talked about this plenty and no really looks like he's the full full full package is James chigney fossil cracks. Yes, james. She in his debut in order graders prospect, and to find the way. And his fourth professional fight with the biggest it was from cage. Warriors Conway seat is going back in their much making as well. You know, no need to get there yet. Let the mind learn his craft. He looks like he knows plenty of road already. But more you gotta come to see him go again. Louis monarch and Morgan share. Yeah. Morgan, Sherry against back, Intrum toil brilliant as well. Or really like it is up. Darnall Gorman from cork is taking on autumn ama- singer. I'm a singer was considered one of the great prospects until you run into Scott Malone. We know they need goes am at these way classes, and they need to be the, the bottom weight division now that edge actual has gone. They need to start creating contenders. And look, there's a good way, for Darren O'Gorman believe Adams really held, and Hoyas team am I believe there's a good way for Darren to get himself on that writer is that funny taking place at one twenty four. Everyone says when he wound twenty foot would've thought would've as well, but how whenever you're going to need some contenders. If you're gonna crown a champion, I guess. Alex Horo vs VR and calendar. That's a great for. That is a crack invite. It is. Yeah. Reese, Mckee was gonna be the Lojore if you weeks, go Twitter said he turned down a fully against reasons. That was an interesting one. Yeah. I mean, and this is no disrespect to iron iron because he's, he's very well, supporting Wales and that Alex's logic, and that he didn't reach, because he doesn't have a big enough name compared to this ludicrous. I don't think that's I don't think that's to actually publicly said on Twitter, so you can go check that might still fall together from the Hora Alex is a weird. You never really know. Very good for no easy for her. But you never know what you're going to get. Yeah. Absolutely. That is houses in the interview afterwards. That's all I want. Yeah, no, this annoys goalie. But yet that was a weird comment to make this. The most ambitious cage warriors, kind of, like you've ever seen given the amount of toils thrown on the line. That are on the line there. Yet, only you can argue with, you know, obviously, I think, you know, BTU employed was was was pretty kill project called project as well. So, yeah, def it's definitely amount, and I'm looking forward to, to seeing a notch. I'm going to be able to watch it. All you've got to watch half life and the office Saturday. But yeah this. A hundred. Stream or whatever they call it red Cosmo LVN control without weekend for damn. Look, there was no one else could speak to. That is more prevalent in lead up to this than Mr. grain boylans. He is he never fails. This. Yeah. Look, we have a bit of Royal rent going to show you away from it. The bills far farther breeds, far drives fall, Wales, something like that, and fishes or Wales. I think one of the most interesting things he said here was that he believes that there's four or five boys could potentially get outta here. You don't hear grain saying that, you know, like here's more for. He says to me that he's obviously, shots would show on show on, you know who you know can for who we watching here. He's, he's good people wouldn't admit that to me, though. Yeah, he's not gonna go and say put at the end of the day, you know, the UFC aren't complaining with some of the guys that of shift from cage where he's probably the most successful. I don't wanna say feeder, promote it is in Europe, like on the says ninety four is gone from there. So listen. I'm sure she won't shy. He's going to be on the whole time and yeah. Sean shabby into McMahon are due to European losses, my opinion, so they definitely could go Nogo loud, the works for categories. Oh, it's never gonna stop local. Get onto will will give you the grain Boylan interview, brilliant store. Very entertaining. Always always. Welcome here is the corkman em. I'm looking forward to seeing him on the weekend. We went back to you in about ten. As promised, we are joined boy, Mr President himself, Mr. grain Boylan. The head of cage warriors, who believe is putting on one of the most ambitious cards in the history of the promotion this weekend. And I think that's a good place to start grain. I mean, is this cage warriors, one, oh, six to champions. Do you feel like this is the biggest card cage warriors, put on your history? I don't think in a history of us to ensure together Ian, I could possibly put on a short on what we're doing something I think it's conic iconic show. F- one for the history books in an iconic venue in a venue. The hasn't hosted them before and has got tight life from the Apollo, which I believe that the device into the cake. Absolutely am account. Wait to see it. We sell on one of the things that I guess is standing this, the six toil. I mean, that's just absolutely massive. But I was wondering how you feel about it because it's something that we don't. Often ask you just completely presumed, but how do you feel about that the whole loin that the cage warriors toils are seen as the golden ticket to the US's? That's something that you're comfortable with hearing. Or how do you feel about that reimburse it man? It's, it's, it's something that we know we know where we fit. We know what happens when guys get those belts, and we know we've done a good job to actually guide guys if they've been in the organization in the last five or six points with us. And they're on the roster. We've kind of guide them. And when guys can go out there go in there and take the win and move on the next step. Take the win. We want the next step. The pot is there for them to, to go on the way to go show. And, you know, I it's no secret bigger show was UFC, and we're quite comfortable in the fact that what we do is legitimate process, you know, we build stars, they go on to become bigger stars. So what happy with that we brace it? I've never heard anyone debated are or anything like that. But it was just wondering, have you ever heard of a different promotion in Europe and being able to coin to come on that same history that you guys have a believe Jack shore was a ninety four go sewing, ROY look. I mean that's a hell of a number. Yeah. I don't I don't believe there is I would like to think we know everything about a market and our game and deter trees that we work in. I, I don't believe there's somebody that can say that knowing agree agree. I was just seeing in case you had anyone Neagle into your mentioned, there ever on this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? I think we're saying without one. Okay. Okay. I mean, it is it like as we said, ninety one four hundred have gone from cage warriors, the UFC, and do you believe that there is a good possibility that we can see not to at the weekend? Do you believe that, you know, one of these boys who wins the weekend or these six toil could be on that rate, our already? And people are just waiting for that one more win a cage warriors when I was six, I think you could possibly see in the coming forth of five weeks. They stopped the back of the results on Saturday night. I think you could see ninety two three four five. Well do. That's, that's, that's what I feed could see. Because if you look at the divisions that these that these fights are in and you look into divisions of the year of c I see, no reason why a minimum of ninety two hundred three hundred four could happen in the coming weeks. Hell does that work? Like do you tell the goal is that this is ROY ding on this? Or do you just feel? They know that because, you know, like fans now if you get belt, you are on the right are do you specifically tell these guys look this one is particularly big for you. Or do you just let it play out? However, it's gonna play don't feel that they need out of pressure on. Would you sit back and let the fight hopping between eating and I- internally? You know, we, we know we, we would have a good idea going into the event who retains gonna behold in about for seven or eight days in hundred back in, they signed. That must be that must be a lovely problem for to have as a matchmaker. Yeah. He's going to champion. And we found ninety seven of a right. I suppose he has a good. He's a good history and that to my him. The, the one story that's really coined of stood under so many good stories. But the one that is really standing out for me is nNcholas Dalby, the fact that he has come home, basically, he, he has come back to the place that put him on the radar. I put him on the international raider. I can remember Albee's worse room with cage warriors and feel like he was probably the next big champion after Conor McGregor. I'm sure you could think of many more names. But that's just the way of fell for me at the time. And the fact that he's going to said he had these mental health issues. He's combeback. He stumbled at the forest Hordley against Petr Selley, then he tugs on wins against film will Peter and the Horry. And here he is, again trying to get that welterweight toil back on a course. UFC Copenhagen's ends up Denver and a lot of people believe that he should be the first name on the card of houses, Andres here, and I mean, have you been what's it been like, working with w late because he's an interesting going. He's, he's a real. Individual. Yeah. It'd be first person and second, he's incredible athletes begin practicing what he wasn't ESE today. Determine around come back step into those shoes again, and do it all again and be back in opposition again, that's gotta be the most admiralty. You can see from any going, you know, that's the sign of a true champion. That's the sign of a guide has been knocked down and excuse. The pun, however, that's the guy. That's live the rocky the rocky quotes, you know, he's been knocked down. He's got backup and he's kept walking in Harry is, again fighting for not belt. It also for me. That's phenomenal place to be. But he, he ain't guard, an easy fight Ross Houston. While she doesn't know what the feed is. He's not heating. He he's, he's a tough tough guy huge. Well, he's an absolute monkey deal. Yeah. He's big for the weights. He can take. He can take a lot of pleasant punishment as we saw in the paternal flight when he wanted to belt. Absolutely. So, you know, defied like everyone said to me. We're doing the order for place on the people involved in this, like why isn't the why are we going to wait order for these fights? And it's like even the rural world title fights. This is the flight the house that sparked isn't the fight the highs the talk. This is the one. That's the so much writing on his have to the main event. It coined of for me. It coin of shows the value of cage warriors as well. Let's, let's be honest, Nickless coulda went anywhere after the he he's a stoning Ford or to watch. He is a big name. He could've went anywhere, but he went back to you go is like, does that mean something to you as well? Yes. You know, we have very strong. We've strong relationship nNcholas we, we've been together since two thousand eleven maybe two thousand twelve you see them rise. We've seen them before we see them rise again. We've been from the entire time. So what happy to help him back and give them the platform that he's wanted them. Where truly happy that he gave us the opportunity to have them back. You know, you could have gone to organizations and just taking money fights, but that's not him. That's not his character. He wants to be what the best in the world competing. And if you're going to go back and take money fights and other organizations, then you're not competing against the best in the world in the best place in the world, and he's MacArthur, you know, and like I said to swing this white back and keep fifty fifty Ross's the same wants to be at the best place in the world where he can be. And he wants to fight the best in the world. So there's so much debating back and forth out of this main events spot on a night of champions in such a historic event, because the world title fights there. So, you know, giving you a ton of ton of content that you from the right about. Yeah. Nearly tomb which to be honest with you. But we won't get into. Probably put it. I don't want to press you on this tomb, which put a lot of people kind of have talked about the back and forth between yourself on Moi Cogan, John Calvin online, like a lot of people believe that Bella tore in cage warriors competing for this market right now. I mean, do you feel that way? Or would you Ryan comment on the on the relationship between, Bella and cage warriors? I know who wanted. His name's is of no comment on him. But whose, whose the whose Mike what's his name, Mike Cogan? You see he is the main goal there. Bella tore, you know, he's the, he's the much maker. Fucking hard as naming. But in a way. Sure my interest in folklore. So, you know, it does not allow for kidding comment on that. But no, they're, they're of absolutely Notre what we do what so ever. You know, the guys in our organization wants to be fighting against the competing against the best athletes in the world. You know the guy he's fighting on the other organization. The differ the paychecks. They're there therefore, you know, a of those flights handpicked opponents and another said, name compensations wanted to guys who's humping opponents for guys. So, you know that's not really doesn't really your sport. It's not what we do. They call it a developmental game is more like a his money has win there. I think that defines a fake. So it's not the type of path cage wars will ever go down. Yes, of course, you know, whip Delatour being their course. They can't compete with you in terms of getting to see you don't think they can even are you that at all? Did you see the online reaction to the, the broadcast issues? Your day care. Cage warriors pro itself, when it's broadcast over two years. Did you see any of that? I'm not online, a great deal these there's or stay away from it. Got a fall. Our holy says I've got no filter. When I gonna go online stuff fucking run. So, so people your phone on you. Take my phone or they want mentioned stuff to me run of the because I have no problem jumping on speaker minds. I tend to stay away from it. It upsets too many people when I go on to really, right? Well, I'll draw dot and get back to this, because it is absolutely astronaut. Look, I mean when, when you're looking at the names here, I mean every single one of these going that's ready for the UFC there. I mean we we've talked about Houston. Dhabi put jet grandfather getting shot at the lightweight toil, but it's no easy road against joy, Hebert mon-. He has looked incredible since he's come on in a cage warriors Bonner of the legendary cage Daintree and taking on my Burnell as well. You've got the Andy towns end of origin is Krispies called them, James Webb of team KF taken on the Toya's Frederick, som-, crease going for that flow away belt against somebody or for dean on them a hugely talked about going from Scandinavia here in the forest at toil foyer in Martin harmless. I mean of ood Amir unloads goes in the UFC already saying this. Goya's ready? I mean, would sort of using the Dalby there won't out there that's jumping out to you. It's very difficult question. I know because each of them as our own merits put his or anyone there that you're particularly looking forward to in title fights devolve through his right. So I mean come come title fight time on champions, am firmly going to be looking for a seat to watch. I'm gonna just hope this is nothing for me to do, but sit down and be a fan of watch these fights. Because from hamlet to modesto's Zamira Chrissy web Frederick Burnell Truman grant, and then into the Houston. I mean that's a fight funds. Dream watch watching those flights, you know. And to watch him live, gnome, what we know about them. I haven't watched the stories come true. It's, it's six fights, relooking forward to watching, you know, when, when you get dum with these events. How do you measure, if there's success or not, like I mean, is there a way you can tell do you even care wounds? Once you've done, you've put on the event you even to care about what attraction it gets and stuff like this, or how do you feel about it? Onto the next cell to system. It's a it's a show. That's done. It started a watch it the next day choosy my routine to watch it the next season when I got home. And then for us, we're onto the next show. You know it's, it's, it's the books on dusted. We, we, we let the fans and the journalists like yourself, we let you guys decide what it was. 'cause you the end the day you're writing about it, your guys a follow it. So we put her on we knock them down. You guys read about it in, you guys say, what it was good or bad. So for us, we're we, we move on the next the next event. Would you gotta you gotta admit the other good feeling about this? You gotta have a good feeling about this one. Yeah. Of course. I mean, we we always any show we linked to we have a good feeling about. But once it's done. It's done Graham. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on. I love getting young before these big events. And I really can't wait to be over there in London on Saturday night, mon-. I'm so excited for this good. Quotas senior Newman tank you so much speak the against Bye-bye. Bye bye weekend together buddy. And thank you for those quotable 's Graham Boylan. I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of tweets about that one. Some good loins on, you know, maybe things that we've employed in the past, and well, things we still unsure about questions of. Some maybe. Answers that probably we need bit more. Then we're talking about. It's going to be interested on this. Greg card really good interview. Enjoy pizza on them. What amounts boiling? He's, he's from cork though is. He's like, he's like him and Emma. Martin Lewin has to. Great way. That's a point someone said that before. And I was like that's. Alan Murphy versus case. Imagine. But this let's take you out. It's Martin v. Will buy this. This is this believe it. When I really Conway, genuinely you're gonna. Oh, yeah. They're obviously, you know, econo- cage arenas. Well, yeah. Oh, sweet shit like this is the first one to India below. Big big dune in the follow, you know before I don't think zone, they've usually do the, the copper box in opera box. I just want to before we get onto our usual segments tender and whatnot. And I know you don't have them anymore. I know you don't. I'm not happy about it. It's happened. And that's the way it goes back to her. You know, just. I just. Put him. I just wanted to say a one stage just after you shave off. Ben cartilage told me that he had a fantastic mustache and deserves to be recognized. You said it's not most. Grow beards. They going to showing oil. That has Bank many moons ago would have most. Ducts, that was Dane. Where would you great though? I mean on the on the scale that is pretty high cars the hair look Harris. One Taussig is a fantastic, man. And a foreign Kotei there, he's, he's a you know, make it. Good COPA Tina froyo, let's say, yeah. Tell you broad wardens Warren, Brad warned says you're gonna make scotch egg this weekend. The full Broadmoor and wouldn't start giving me some fans don't butter brat. He's a horrible person. Picture that join than somewhere in Cheshire put it put put McGraw monitors shame. Rogoff but he's having full cucumber sandwiches, and salmon sandwiches and pledging garden. With Rhode Island's fairplay for all you see at the weekend. Console wasn't press. He's one hundred percent month. He is one hundred percent what I wanted to ask you about is something that you said to me just briefly between segments. There you tell me delete Twitter, but yes, you have somebody taxing, you provoking voles, Peter sexual rows. I'm not jokin always do. Tells going on what going on shift. Have you found the one yet? I think this girl who was texting eagerly at the moment. I think she'll be the one. No, I don't think so. I think she needs to American girls. Got better when American girls. She ease on Tinder no think American girls are local baragan woman, stay away from me. So I'm married. You've had success in the in the states like feeling work. Stephanie off. Yeah. Yeah. Just maybe the girls are they'll give you a chance. No matter I go in there. I think at least a minute, normally, sometimes here, what's your car to drive? Well, that's your problem. Make money don't drink and blonde for a weekend. Yeah, I recommend clean open those sort of, of kids. Peasants. Shoot me from blanche one of these days. You know, they'll be actually you're one of ours. Now is rising. You know what was that? A party on Freud beautiful, Mark as the last the youngest in the group between thirty Moi mates were just telling me how much they love you breaks, my heart. They were like all he became shoes and actually make make sure you ten. Yeah, it was a great. As next week, clean them every week that's paying for. Lick the bottom. Yeah. Hordes me that they look you sure this runoff. I'm not I'm not that in a Sant and certainly not your fucking on anyway. I'm definitely innocent of everything. You're fucking whatever plunge and all we wanted to say as well. Are you always be in the shit? I just wanna say, you know, trying to covert his push for regulating for a long time, and it was incredibly difficult to get image to speak to me on Barrio always fiery, an auntie Mon always came out and spoke from the heart spoke the truth 'em. Really appreciate him like really, really had. No. What a way over in that story. And now of course, they're always asking those recovering it. Well, because we actually, the first place at Barry wasn't part of the problem. There was any ruined of always been brilliant, and those goals have put together the high-performance strain in January and they've done a lot. We bury deserves a lot more credit than he gets is definitely. He's had some great prospects there and Emma. I wonder what's going to happen to lose Nathan Kelly and Austin Lynch over there. Great void or so wonder what's going to go on with them? I'm sure Barry has that story today while anyway. But em thanks very much. Bye. Well, don't Joe JR. Oh, me fucking on more famous for being similar looking to Basel than anything else does needles like big. Vows to us now. He's great through coaching Finglas or glass, Nevin area, make sure you pop into cues Jim. We've done it many times. Of course, I bought it everyone. Let's not get into. Yeah. All the things on which. Well, that's everything. I mean, do you have anything else to add this weekend is gonna leave much as hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, Christian Eric's talk to be honest? You is that really happening from his, there's a little bit of talk that Christner attorneys deal from Real Madrid. True. So there's a lot of talk of him coming into monsters, you know, he wants to ruin careers. Well, that's a lot of players these days, if the Moonies there, they'll just do anything, personally. So Wamba sock is this week, actually Crystal Palace right back fifty million pain? They're talking about, you know, the world's mod. What a very good player, do you like while I'm beside going to be big success? You know, it's still a lot to worry times plan Edwards is still running the transfers on basically one of the club, which is, you know, more concerning than probably even Paul Paul. So Paul pod things the best player in the obsolete disgrace. He's not that in its terrible. Human being. Johnson. He's a little hair. That's everything we've got. I don't wanna fully Krankl Knowles rage levels because we already had a lot with the Ballatore lunar thing on the Brennan, anything he has to sleep at some stage. You know he's gonna take seven literally jewels. We're finished up renting is when I read he's got on. That's right. The face what law you've lost. We can just round at for an IRA mean, everything that went on, you know, don't know if you come in with those PT Carol numbers. You know what I mean? That's, that's what I'm here for alluvial oil, and it's fun toss. Speak to you. Don't know what next week 'cause arrangements going to be. When he MAC. Some lights a more. Try and get the interviews doing cage warriors, and then have it ready. Prepackaged for you ready to go. We'll see what the crack is, you know, me, we'll start something. Well. Lina beautiful host. And I hope you grow your mustache back. And I hope you don't kinder-. Kinder-. Middle east.

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Eurobash: Episode 41 (w/ Brendan Loughnane, Nicolas Dalby, Graham Boylan)

The MMA Hour with Ariel Helwani

1:54:42 hr | 1 year ago

Eurobash: Episode 41 (w/ Brendan Loughnane, Nicolas Dalby, Graham Boylan)

"It's here. It's episode forty one of euro by it's going to be full steam ahead on this episode. We have so much to complain about its own believable. There was a lot of fights and a lot of mess this weekend. Damn. Yeah, we're gonna bring to you Lloyd encore looked Tang clan. First. Let's have a look at those headlines. Well known the gresh silo to you root. Very rude of me. I'm sorry, fucking sorry. I'll be waiting six days. Work killed today. I am. I am. I'm going to just drink my beautiful here and. That's what we want. It's all it's all coming right for ROY here we go headlines elevate. Oh, dethrones gay guard Masasi in the main event of Bela Tor London. Quota shocking result there. We have Artem love to feats Polly Mellon is e in the main event of bare knuckle FC six. Molly McCann comes away with the European championship two world. She fought Aryan Lipsky, former K as w champion Molycorp, the cage Jammie. We are very big on that for you. And it was awesome. We'll talk about that more later Belot or Dublin has been announced for September twenty seven we can see some voice being made off the back of that built or Lewellen card already bought. Valentina shevchenko. Valentine? Janko V. Liz and Alexi concerto. V lorraine. Oh star poli have been booked for UFC Uruguay and August tenth. And John Phillips is out of his UFC Sacramento for Cal Robertson. He'll be replaced when newcomer Wellington term and didn't know she here that want to Lhasa that's appointing for John. Yeah. Only saw it. There was, of course all over. He is all over that ship. But yeah, I guess we'll start on our first round of the week. Last Tuesday, we taught Brennan luck nine had secured his place in the UFC would fund hostile performance against Bill, but a less a takedown attempt, you know, a legitimate technique, and I may has cost him the contracts on how I think a lot of people saw me getting upset about this already. So I'm just gonna pass it over to you and all. How did you feel about? I think people saw posts on Twitter as well. Choose obsolete. Fuming at the whole situation. For a guy to get this points to build everything back up, turn, Dan, you know, other flight promotions contracts. And to get that spiel of shied from Dana wise at the end, I think was very condescending first of all from Dana walls, or you hated the whole set. Let's bring this and let them sit here we shoulda fought on me on the facts of the modern is the fight before Hans. In which Mr. sariano got the win to rain was on the heavyweight, first heavyweight the leg kick finish. Dan was brand. And then there was to offer him sorry after. Sorry, he was the main events yet. And sariano paycuts was the fight sariano did pretty well for the first couple of Ryan's third. Rhymes talk, the Dan laid on them for the Girotti jurisdiction of the fight did little or nothing. And he gets a contracts. All right. Dana, what are you talking about here? What is our new rules that we don't know someone tried me online, and obviously, a lot of direction online was very positive in favor of Brennan. Is it shorter bean? And someone said to me that I don't understand the concept of the show. I think Iran 'em as well. I think you're very, very wrong. Not trying to find the best voters. Yes. Not the whole. Are we doing here, still doing, like an even if we aren't doing sport, if we're doing entertainment? Here's the go with the most traction than we've ever seen on that show going in. So where where is the ca-, take down camman? Oh, it's pathetic. Plenty take downs in the contract. It was the heavyweight did not have leg kick. Listen to the when Brennan later on you are. And listen to that he wants to make a point in my wrestling. He that's what I said, as well. Look, I mean for years as soon as from the UK, or the runny way around here goes to UFC what they all say he Conroy, he's never fought arrested like me. What did he just do? Exactly you're looking for the best fighters here, bailout. Gio was a great foyer. A really solid fodder you saw. He's number eleven ranked featherweights in the United States of America. Really? The goal is really, really talented. You know, texting Paul Fowler on and off before Honda base. Calms paul. He was in Paul's number one pick, again, signs. I think everyone else's dining the Pero rankings. Jose was they're not noise. And he was saying, Paul Vella was like one hundred percent before before the contracts came. He was like, well, he's number one one hundred percent Texan Paula tiny algae, legit, and I was in your Brandon's Abrego fighter of seeing Bela's, while I watched a few fights actually, on choose day before I was just going like this is a fight. You look on the card. Probably to the best behead. Low enforceable exactly ridiculous. I think we know why. But anyway. Two goals. You look anew go. This is getting sewing, if he wins the fight that was it for me. 'cause you knew it was going to be a high level. It was a high level. It was court tank above three or five card in terms of a contest. Even even if you want to go take mean, if we're just basing this forget about the opponent forget about how good Bill algae, always for a second just based on what you saw one four hundred do out there, who's the most impressive. It's Brandon lung down all fighters. Brandon was a court above anyone else on that card for me. And for the FCC not to sign a meal aspirin. And his before I put a tweet Abed audio Graham was there prior issues, ESE. He doesn't know he doesn't think that's what it sounded to locally. I really don't think there is actually an issue there with Brandon Dane face. Like he's all smiles last hands. It's like he's looking for a way or something so reaction when they did it. They flexed back to him on the computer, all believe he just did that you're talking to you, too. Fucking two and a half Rams this. What, what are you on? No sense to me, like this is maybe they're getting these guys in for a fight just give them. The fall even fall even. They already have their mind made up before I tell you one thing is that a possibility. I don't know. Everything's. Look like that last Tuesday night, that his mind was made up before hunt, one thing we'll get Brandin interview now in a minute. But one thing I got to say if you're involved with any other promotion, and you ain't trying to get onto this deal trying to sign him you are, like they, you look like the savior, if you sewing this going now you look like you're the person who's doing the sensible thing, as opposed to UFC or doing nonsensical. Well, the good thing now I think maybe Brandon can take from this the online. Right. Huge, you know, everyone's been talking about is in the world of mixed. Martial arts, literally across the board all the top media that's you beautifully. Description of the events of the last six to seven years, for Bannon lot Nana. It was perfectly put a couldn't put any better myself. I was in a fuming rage last Wednesday. When you did is because I was just fed, so sorry for. And listen, we follow brand over the last movies. We know have go Brandon is on tap that opportunity taken away, after all at work. We defend any fighter in that situation. You are not being biased. He was by clearly, the best fighter in the card. They have a lot of guys now in the from the UK, gray voters, Jack shores jasmine sewing, you've got an Arnold guarantee of Liane Edwards. Have all these you've also lost? Let go his Jimmy Manoa Ross Berson Mugabe being not so long ago style larger Europe. Yes, you need to go who obviously reverberates with the fan base. He's proven that in lead up to this point when March comes around if Brennan lock nine isn't on that card. They're going to regret it or you can remember interviewing Brandon today before, UFC Manchester flawed. And there's open down to Stockport to talk to him, and even Dan, we were laughing going like what you have to do with to actually go through this and have to sit out there in front of everyone. And you tell them that a downs cost it's just sick, it's gross like it was the lower the low for me. I am going to say this taxed off. Bras people that are the regular pharmacy every week, and they were actually disclosed wasn't signs. Well, I'm a person. You think it will be? It was actually someone else put anywhere. I won't get into that. But another thing I will say you talked about traction and things like that. Who else in the fucking UFC Jesse lean guard Marcus rush toys and fury, forget about after the big huge win the week before this is linked monitors. They know this link Mukunda Barcelona a week were all linked to buyers alone. Like, yeah, it's going to get off. It's actually insane. Dana white shown Shelby McMahon or shame in yourself. Indian new matchmaker. Sorta should present obsolete ROY. Well, let's get to it. That's rant. Wound down on find out, I'm only get the fire. My belly known. We just have to edit. It will half an hour. We're going to go on his afterwards Buddha. Great speed to Brandon of is very. I felt that he was a bit disheartened when speaking Jomo felt like he didn't need. New interview today. He's doing lots of interviews book, fair blades on. We always appreciate them. And look, as I said to him, at the end that his interview, we're all pulling from. We all want to see him get a big contract as well to keep knocking on the doors. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I know they will. They've been brilliant, Brandon on. Damn look. We'll be back in about ten minutes. I'm now finally, we are joined one of the most talked about foreigners in Europe at the moment, a mine, who feel should have earned a UFC contract last Tuesday. And I think you all know who I'm talking about. It's Mr. Brandon lock Nane, Brandon. Thanks for joining us, man. How are you, forcible? Yeah. No problem just got back from America. Yeah. Just catching up on sleep and things. But yet it's been been in the whole week to the least I can imagine. I can imagine. I mean, I guess we should do it as an order of events. I think that's probably the best way to do it. We talked to you. We know him which means this was a six year road back to the UFC a road on which fail. You've proven your, your caliber on several occasions, proven that you're worthy of that contract. You go in and you have a very dominant performance against Bill algae, Dana white shoes. I know he contender series. You know, when you have your hand raised in the middle of the octagon that noise, how do you feel do you feel like that, that has to be an offer, or where's your mindset at that point? We'll two things one. Know a very self equal. What's not Bellagio Messina third round. So that was my main concern was doing. So it wasn't do that then, and never how donate a fight. So it. Komal dumped at cruise and miss about what heating and cooling easily folk shit out. Nobody knows just myself and not doing and take you out of everyone. So it didn't it was like. A what should you the highlights plucking buck dreams? I'll be. Yes, you did. To, to, to not get an walked guys guys find people free in huddle and low kicking them and they get one dot Las fight without guy. Swing getting I'll just fall over real caliber nets of mine. So to definitely go with that. Redan news. Like what else do you off to do it must be a navy situation. Brennan leaked when you finish your audio backstage, and then you're watching the last two flights plays area. No, no. You walk into the green roofing than you do your view. And while your views on what highlights of your own fight. I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was very good. Yes, she's asking you questions at same time of that. Yeah. I'll be going. You don't have to even watch your. She gets old too in about room, when, when the less fights on. So you got the oversee decision. Right. The gun and just the way they do that. They obviously, will you go, and you could see your hand was in your phone, and always wondering, is it, can he see everybody saying like he this, he's definitely don't? We're just waiting to get to make it official at this point. I mean, did you were you able to look at the online, traction, you are getting before Dana white came out and announced, who was getting signed. You can see store shoulders on you couldn't tell anyone say right right, right? Like you know, he comes out eventually obviously. And then he says the words that we all didn't want to hear what, you know, we kind of says that take as cost you the fight that, that you landed on algae towards the end of it. I mean, what's that? Like I mean, you've got cameras on you, you're sitting right there on. This is the guy that, you know, you felt you don't know for telling you a takedown, which is obviously, a very useful piece of technique in MMA has cost you this, this contract. I mean. Just trying to put myself in your shoes during that situation. What was that? Like all on the five percents, I'm gonna show in this fight Englishman, coun- wrestle because they've been melting of wrestle in one hundred percent. Yes. So that was kind of like, I'm gonna show a lot, especially against a guy that I saw what it's verified when talks on it also to show diverse in atop. So that's what it was doing. The game. Plenty of these fi was to mix the striking eight dollars of this guy because he was good everywhere too. So that to the game plan to note today from corner was gonna take thousand cure in Los Los bay. Second sore death of seven, so it cost me a Trump is hard to believe when you hear it, though, like I mean, what's your reaction as you're hearing that? What you say buckets -solutely for Kidby. What do you do? Did you see the outrage online afterwards? I mean, does that coin to console you at all that so many people where live at this, including me? You know, a lot of journalist, and I'm not just talking about in Europe and I saw my good friend Ariel whiny talking about it. I know you're doing his show today as well. I mean, everybody seemed to unanimously degree agree that, that you would wanna know fair and you wear by fire the best for you to run display. Like I mean, does that was not noise to see at least given that what you came for didn't didn't come to fruition. Set me does it was crazy. You hit the nail on that crate, especially what you have through recalled who uphold said fall laws while even more than I even knew real. Thank you present it. Israel's seeing loot Tomas are seeing all these guys shit either guys. Forget never been elti on that show. So it was good. It was good out. Yeah. It was really nice, and it still is to is home blitz. Are you are you like where are you would it now as always said, on my on my rant about this? I mean you had Hugh had offers all over the place. And this is the road, you chose because this is that you want to be competing with the best in the world. And I'm sure your phone's blowing up, you don't have to go into details about that. But where are you? Now. Are you are you annoyed about this? Are you are you still are you pissed off? Or, or is this a good thing in the long run because it's probably opened up a lot of options for you. Still it away. It's not decided what the next move is the where we're gonna go from excel two times now than that. So what? Very worth my while 'cause it was long trying to get point. So I was next revived very well. If it's gonna is there an ideal outcome here for you. I mean, like if they come back, and they say, look, we want you to go back on Dana White's Tuesday, contender series, is that something you would welcome at this point, or or how do you feel about that? Pluck says still decided the game dot the really good. Bye. Well, they're gonna meet the damage you told Brian them on. Like you put up that post of, like, you know, you're, you're pissing blew it back there straight after the fort, you took damage to the face. This was a very high level Voight. That's what I keep on trying to highlight the people this, this was already worthy of the UFC and for you to have such a one-sided performance and to see that damage. Does that make it does not make a harder for you to to, you know? To, to acknowledge this decision considering the Taal that's taken on visibly. Yeah. We'll say that was the USC said, if you wanna give someone that's free allows show, you killer thing that you're talking about you would give a jump here from the guys ation if you wanna see level fight sometimes going to be the outcome. I'm willing to set at least that you give me it's over a bonus. Sill. So. This killer exalted about, hopefully, if you want to give me an inexperienced about the guys were five and hold free, and hold onto that no problem poking Trump and expects Joe for this killer in state is, oh, give up. Did those say anything to you after that point, probably celebrating their own at getting those contracts? Did you get to speak to the other two that were sewing today say eighteen to you in terms of us should have got the contract dot night or anything like that? Fellow heavyweight, heavyweight. You got that knock every yet, he was he was Saudi, because we all go to watch my highlights and use for, you know, to my highlights, Robin. You've got a month for sure. While still under zone. Visit. Yeah. Yeah. I mean is like do you regret at all going down this pot, like turning down options like Ronnie prior to you? Like what, what, what, what, what was that, all for because of this situation or is, is the US's still your goal basically is what I'm trying to understand? There's no regrets for taking, you know tune when it came. What did exactly will could do? Still, I say still don't know what the future is right now while I'm gonna do that sticks time off because it was very difficult comes while ball lines. So, like I say Scott, the he'll before Jim Madan make decisional we'll go. Did you sneeze Dane awaits, Coppa chain or anything before this the eighteenth? The Sean Shelby's cornflakes. We're just trying to understand it. Like the most feeling that Logothetis this journey, you've gone on just to get back the fact that you didn't get a second chance. Divorced time at the Duke and the by now here on Dana woods. Choosing contenders doesn't nearly feel like these have Vandamme against you at this. No, you have to be careful what you say now as well. Let's be honest because you've got all these options in front of you. Right. When you like. Grunted highly as I as long as the U skies that I run six of ten fifty. All I'm get signed and you'll go on defiling give you a chance and going forms. You'll get you decide. Well what do now? Dom talk to you afterwards was blown away this as well. I'm sure he was. Going so. Like I say you dumped w crews get you head so you can. Thug shit for sale really Royce. Well, when, when do you want to get back in there Brennan, like as a heretic, coined of think about when you wanna Foyt it again, because there's so many intangibles play at the moment, like do you have an ideal time? You'd like to compete again. Like I say to get me buckled on bills of befall. This is gonna have to fit rarely rarely wear file. Not to be good morning all doing so many more estates. Well, it's at that point. Like I mean you is that where you're at the moment, like it's your contemplating your future at this time? Yeah, we don't get an old twenty nine and auto fund Lille wanna do of stove, and, like I say, yes to, to going to get a bed for this one. Well, they felt as though, like every other promotion should have been jumping all over this, the traction, you got all of this coin stove. I mean, is there any way that this was a good thing for your career? I know that's probably very stupid thing to ask you right now. Just in terms of the amount of online, traction, you have everybody's talking about you feel more than ever. You're an international name. Like, like have you seen soins in terms of their promotion than still that this has made you a bigger commodity internationally? Oh, yeah. Hundred percent. Big was before these five. Do so that helps a lot like the husband offers accelerates a few days, I will look. Seat one as well. Finally go with that deployed from now. Well, it's, it's just you caught me off guard with the coin of, you know, you don't know if like I mean, this, this could have been your last void, is what you're saying. Sorry, I keep of asked you this question different times. It just it just stays away. A lost free things to do by deeping one in the US. Got to do what in the fall, I must be did dot now. And I was like, right. What's next, and the after really think about Ozzy does where I'm out of it just seems like there's so much left based on that performance. It was excellent. It seems like. No, I can understand where we're having this conversation. But I think anybody who saw that for it will be going. How can this guy be talking about retirement? He looked on believable, you know. Yeah. It's not it's not I'm not saying times the option to say right now at each of fake Osceola motivation. For example, I've got five and five show come out with public six spent on comparable, so the togetherness, like what would do you need some out of it? You need to motivate ya head this one pissing bloated brakeman knows. Of spending money to do that. What stage Morelli time into this to make money and stuff? So dot Sma primary concern over anything else about home saying, I can understand understand your nose. Okay. Look, I mean, the Senate was broken there. Is it do you know how long that's going to be heating? Knows his. Good. Well, look, Brandon ROY, I think it would be an awful shame, if we don't get to see you for it again. I think all the promotions Detroit, it break the Bank to get you in you absolutely deserve. You've proven toy Montoya again. You should have got a UFC contract, you're annoy. I'm very sorry. That didn't happen. But no that m the whole of European a wishing you well, and hoping that you get something sorted very soon. Thank you. 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I think when you worked out hearts, you know, hopefully as a tweeted today, after on Wednesday was the UFC, you'll take a few days, look at this again. Like we've made a legitimate mistake here. And so I would see that hop in the SE tone up on kgo employees gave the contract, because he deserves some Brandon, don't retire guarantee you keep knocking on the door. It's going to come down to will. Yeah. Felt like I need to clarify to hold because always going down that road. And I don't think he was. You know it doesn't seem like I mean a hope this a lot of options on the that's all say about it. And you know we have a lot to talk about this week. It's cage, warriors, one hundred this week. It's one of the most of an anticipated, carrot more than anything, I think this summer because it around the toils progress before we can get onto that we need to talk about ballots London. And. That wasn't without incident eater. And, you know, look there was some great flights on there. It's. Let's start the opt in work at the beginning. Yeah. All right. So Frans, Malambo had a fantastic debut, a big win over Nathan grace with, who I think is brilliant, Florida. When natan. When? To get a win. That's miss boy, everybody. They do put that open lines of people are gonna watch it in the moment. We're not seeing it and before Charlie ward comes to get a great comeback win. The op goes dark the prelims are gone charities. It's gone moist shipping Vive Stein is has gone, which was one of the best performance from Kozlova stainless. Fabian Edwards v Bassac was gone, and keyholes each got bonus footage. Well, it's ridiculous now thus three right? Right. This is the problem. You, you need to be building. Goes like Fabian Edwards when you are in the UK. All right. This is prime time TV and, you know, another thing that they miss because of this is the shipment with unsteadiness dot should have been the Foyt been seen as Fabian is the Fabian calls for afterwards that should have been the Foyt that every single person a home was calling for after this. But we didn't get to see von Stein as win in the time at the moment didn't get to see it. And it was huge. It was really impressive. I got the see to read cost via Paul Redmond. Off. But it's it's you're shooting yourself in the foot, when you do things like that. I mean, everybody was already complaining about where Fabian wasn't the car. The fact that nail is next voice isn't even being people aren't Dante's abating that already because of the fact that costlo wasn't on TV. I mean Kamanga is look. I mean we don't want to be given the stove every week. It's just it's for me, it's pushing talking about this, but we have to talk about it, because it's actually regressing if people are trying to tell me these are going to compete with the UC over a million Moyle poison. Anywhere. We need to be able to see the fights. Listen, I watch, you know, I came in after work. Sorry evening, I'll actually watch did the same as yourself put on the prelims of my phone work, then got a blockade, and how there beside me as Tanner, TV's on and work. Keeping annoying Nasha got home in the evening. Combeback in turn on the block out again. Go to YouTube. See day made won't go decision. They put Milan bows, vital against grazing on YouTube. A watched off a went on trying to choose China fall in Mongolian sky went to channel five spa. He thought I was fucking. So then a went back. Hod cage you have see flight possum Mullen, and then a heart's skysports in the TV damn you saw the end of the Fabian average. Fido, bonus footage here. What might go bird, then how to change over the gone like William we doing this? When does UFC green on? It's easy access. Can switch it on there? So I turned out on a realized that I had chained in the wrong gentle, the wrong channel, I was like fuck this. I'm not going for it. Again, was just like my, what I actually feel have, again, that shivering anger rage. No. I know. Isn't it? I got so pissed off. I went folk days after after James's fights Paul Davies fights. So I just was really go it. And so I couldn't be our speech anymore. What did turned on Greenville offer? The prelims and on my Mark book, and ended up stream gay guard me saucy illegally because it was way, way easier to do than to go having a big mission. Can I say, like this is not as fall, you've different platforms to watch wound full confide card seriously? Lots shaved go. Yeah it's not good enough. I will say just for those who are listening now, don't think voice are available. You can watch them all on the vitamin Cernan good that they did something to see the whole time. But it's, it's literally every card to not put the law on Fabian joke, but let's move on. Look, I think there's another thing. Do you think sports are happy with this situation? Kombi look, I mean, the fact that they had that emergency footage broadcast. Beginning this. I'm gonna look what are we doing? You said, I couldn't get this. They're actually quite close to Roman over telling him as as well. They would be pretty. Oh, yeah. My religious on their timings professionals, you know, them. Halfway elevator was approached me a lot without win over Gateshead. It was a course on euro. We should've known he was going to win. But you know I didn't think he was going to be able to implement the game on that. He did. It was actually really really impressive on 'em after the force two rounds like he's been grappling for ten minutes. You'll be exactly what I he's don't hear what he came back in the fifth, then to great again, it was like, so you can save himself took a Brown. Did you ever talk mode that will get? He's always looking to round than going to have to take it easy. He's back and do it again. I think that's what he did against McGregor. It was noticeable deterred Ryan Levada. I taught he was doing offer this Akron. Ryan, same as yourself conserved a bit of energy and came in on the French and it was phenomenal performance. I'm we were very very little spec last week. Then we taught upon ROY, my Donald fight yet, a name and Gracie just because of the stars. And the way okay guard is reading on his on his fees. Go drop recording the grand to everywhere. But I felt again though, like all great respect to Levada for winning the fight accent perform. Something McCague are there again. I think maybe this hop them the motivation thing, where, you know, it was really, really up for it going to be Tinky to taint keeps going to get the win. But I did I did notice. He spoke to Damon Damon Martin on Emma my voiding ahead of it. He he spoke of, of the press conference about as well. He using Flos everything he was talking about. It was about. I want to get paid more money that's always been gay or no gay. I get it. Do get home. When you that's great. But I just didn't feel like the when we spoke to the volatile, you could tell he'd been absolutely. Religiously studying gay guard Masasi eldest gay guys had Bill eighty four. I mean is there does it come to a stage where like, like, you know, I'm confident what I know and I'm going to go in here and get the job look at this experience compared the more experience. You know, like was it just one of those Foyt said he didn't expect to login ordeal book? No, I don't think it was. I think gay guard is more of those guys that takes his off the properties sometimes seen happen. The soda Royal hall, the first time won the rematch, we saw multiple other times where he just goes nice. And he looks at their flat. And I generally think it was, I think, if there was a rematch there, maybe gay guards could win. And I have to do the immediate rematch ING, so. Yeah. Five rounds was close a will say, like I mean, the difference found would Levada compared to Gracie against McDonald was it wasn't as, if Levada was never in a situation where grazie was where he's like, please kkob on the ground with me. He was forcing the issue he was chasing down. You can get them against the fence Anita. Meaty look for his back. He was constantly like solve this problem gay guard solve this problem. And I don't think name and ever manage to do that against Rory apart from league that he'll or something he did. I taught it was, maybe the mindset was similar to Rory from Cayard. Did he ever really look killer? Instinct on the feet. Not to me, it was surprising. I think as well. Jesus Levada was again unit. My jesus. Phenomenal performance. Let's take nothing away from Mr. Levada. That's, that's a phenomenal thing to do to come in. You know, after what time pro fights and win the battle tore middleweight world title. It's crazy. But at Melvin Manav can't Cup was a good for you. I mean, there was lots of knockdowns didn't watch. It was lots of knockdowns Melvin got the nod Ken, Ken run them close, you know, he knocked him down the force around himself, but then Melvin before it around ended. I think he had them down. It was very ding-dong stove. Irun Chalmers, even if he wins in the cage, he can't win, you know, like he saw the abuse. It's just it's relentless for him. Yeah. You cut back there. And he did it like I mean it's don't really look. I mean, I think you're gonna see this notable drop off in skillset like, for voice because irons only knew his career, you know what I mean? And I think it makes it stand out, though when, when you're frame Paul Daley. And it was a mon- off. Dan in canton, the for like I mean, that's just a different level of house detraction defined traction dropped off from earn charmers. I feel it does. But then I felt they came back at the weekend, and maybe a really felt like the loss. Iron iron isn't the toy like should be smoldering them cards. Big names. I did know. And what do you mean? You know, there was a lot of, you know, you know, Paul daily. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I talked all good. But when you're, you're getting in Manav set up like one of the goals, you're trying to build, you know, like that was a spot for Fabian, or, or Shipman von Stein lake. I know Fabius performance wasn't his most bacteria, but, you know, you have you have to get this going for this, you're going be on sports. Make you know what I mean? Like it's won't be surprised if someone told me and that he wasn't going to be on TV sags before to be honest. And it had an impact, like, look, I'm not that he not that I think he fought Bodley. I don't think he was very conservative, like the could see from the word go the John who could could buying. And they both. They both mix it. Oh, Barra Leon I think he was going to do. I have to go here and here and the sacrifice. This situation, I'm into give this show performance Dada into develop maturity, we'll sit still Stephanie centigrade. Yeah, it was a big carrot. Don't have it in front of me here, it was going to go back through what else we have ashamed and lobby on. Oh, oh, yes. James is. Straight after the fight. That was a shocking revelation, you know, unfair platoon forgetting and doing it always say to him and he's a very young. I always ate them. How do you deal with this because would crumbled many times if when oil was his age? It is coin of stress in this situation, so it doesn't surprise me to hear it surprised to hear him, speak, Zoll, calm the ability, I think that's a great. He was physically hot to be removed from the facility in SPG concord. Because the panic attacks thrown that series used to so far upon attacks and believe me, holy God, nothing. More frightening in your life than having Ponca talks horrible, horrible feeding. The all I want. Piece. And this this at there was very mature from Tacoma, but it's great from today. Tell you one thing, usually the same way as you'll see, would, you know, polarizing figures James straightaway. People are going, oh, what generally Ono's load, like he's not like he absolutely isn't. He's a black belt. And did you through James did that take down? He gets off the fence. He does the same thing every put he's so good. Ran was more. Oh, yeah. Bianco came back into San ran was more and sort of defining for me of walk, gotta hurt is a bay when he's on the deck. He re wrote dot rain with lobby on, on top of yet. Very, very impressive from James stops Akron. He obviously lost around then came back in the in the most explosive, what in the world, but when you're problems, like two weeks before fight, and you're the most experienced person you've ever onto get in there and show. Those bowls offer having all those issues to go out and get a win. You'll take it out on costs, and he did and fairplay young big old pairs Trevan yells on the bowls and. After about. All of our income got off to a win that was in the post limb their thing now and oppose him. But I mean, costlo van stain Isman that have you seen know unbelievable, like I mean he creased Shipman's a savage is an animal Mon, Mon, this costs on saints. They gonna make Fabian white and it's going to be absolutely notes. But could you imagine if it was on TV and people could have seen, and then they were like this is the fourth? They're gonna make well, listen hope that sorta new for the Dolan cards because it killed the shipment for they've killed like us we're playing around him which and you didn't make the happen now. You gotta make this happen. And just a note as well. Charlie ward has been amazing since you went to four no is foreign on home believable salvage record from Charley. Yeah. Yeah. He's got a hard tool for a head for the force is very difficult. I heard it was a pretty, like he, he lost it, you know, a pretty pretty console. That's charity is knocking paranoia thing when you have to knock para not division thought way class. You know, you can you can sort of sometimes lose around, and then come back into the next rain on, you know, go hell for leather and get an okay? Hopping and middleweight those divisions and put us say the Charlie's well, he seems to be getting very comfortable with the spotlight. Those he likes it. You hear the interview. School. Sean bets Steve has pointed it and get him backstage mine when Charley came well, never forget that Montebel to our wounded, and he just the whole place that was Mudgee. Everytime, and Charlie was brilliant against Chris guard ridi hotel. Good Paul ribbon is, oh yeah. Like Leary, the Chris born guard as we saw Harry razor. Just go. You house skills for charity to commit and do to them. I thought that was really really impressive. He was completely dominant though felt it's going to be interested to see now, I think Paul Paul wants to go to the states and fight against Americans from what I think he's been sort of putting it and Twitter dot so. And to see Paul get his you know am rewards. And just for being a servant of arguments Martius on the you said, beaten, always beaten and seem to spot in the combing, or main hers. It'd be brilliant. Great dude thing in terms of the US Kate Jackson, a great win over Lena. Competence, or secondhand, Terry brazier and back to winning ways after I lost the Cranston guy with a an Americana win over Allesandro body, Luke or beat. Natan roseman. Nathan rose was taught to be a big prospect. You know, Jimmy Manos been pumping not go along for lot Lou Gord and breaks winning momentum. He had ugly. Dave's gonna toe to the whole thing was like, right right in the ring pace canal canal has spoke to a galeria may saying that there's nothing wrong with that. There is absolutely run without your name put your your Fulton someone's Cavas. You're just not how. Take your time. No. You're just asking lady was approved the guards, his hotel room. It was it was fucking skills. It was graphic belts were there. Clouds of eight and their Instagram. No, shane. What I mean these things have to be oil. They do spoken more swear to God this computers at the full. Cave, good great himself against global fund, though. Find explosive striker Keith. It was time there with him like he went to the full fifteen minutes on short notice, and I'm still going to say it again. If you wanna put on a fight and Dolan for Dylan donnas Keith, and they're saying, no, but they aren't going to right. The ki tree and four new or what's down? Don't wanna fight out one hundred and eight year. Because special Koch weights that he does. It's called donnas. Wait on a small have, you know, I am. But I mean, I think that's a realistic opponent Keita's one forty dangerous in in situations. He he has lost a key or he has lost Richie, I think these are all reasons that will help him if they wanna put on there, and I also think it'd be a big thing for Donna's to Doberman. Like look at the look at the rupee adequately coming off the back of his relationship with McGregor. We could see you can see him the out in Dublin and getting a big response from the crowd there. Man. I cannot see. I know the credit will be with them. Ask has. But it's not even that it's like it is that it's con- funds. I mean the abuse that Moyle was getting this is good. It's important over here for ages representing Orland, and look, that's the way it is. And look at. That's touched on into a good thing. More zephyr, turned into a good thing for Peter queries. Everybody's happy and I think would look good for bell tower to have Dylan walk Dolan. You're, you're more to see photo dots on a card here. Then you will be a different promotional the NFC because obviously they can build him here to make sense for him to come totally agreements. I think we'll be. City reaction, though. I don't think it'd be is playing Salem is Iraq. It will be, you know, some of the pictures and stuff he puts up. Great provocative. And that's what we want. We don't want boring. No. You. No, listen. I think it will be a good scrap. But listen, the baladora matchmaking is made the, the best in, in recent months in Orland anyway, would add juiston Borland's, and I should mention also we gotta win over Wendell Lewis looked like annoying second K over. They believe that when the Lewis's knee went so unfortunate when for him and John Redmond's losses decision to Kevin for and. Fell to seven and fourteen there without one booed him. He has put out on social media that he will be back on you. And he felt like he put in a good performance force for on the SPG. Boehner. Of course, we also we already mentioned friends on Natan as well. Let's get onto the US Greenville, we're only going to go to European still fair because it's just which is we goes, I'm sorry, and eventually zone yet will definitely give as dimension. Now look in a finalist going forever. They ever since his WBZ days. Looked bring that is no mean feat. What he did them. We God zombie funds crying in the arena. Well believe in double. Listen to go do dot against I let more Ikano we thought it was an animal, we taught, you know, it was very impressive from one of the best featherweights of all time. And just say I love to do with zombie did Tim op -solutely when a from the get-go on slaughter pour Moi county. It was over offer that I let him do the knee landed Juneau is the right the right hoax at all. It was it was Louis county. What, what I love about it is, I didn't know if he could ever come back and rejoin the top division after taking so long to see him. Do it all he's doing. He's doing, you know, he's already doing it own believable, go. And I just love his energy. It's completely different. The mysterious dude, you know what I mean. Like did his minutes? Three service came back has a family is so much support and Korea gray hair. You know, the best t shirt. Great great. I loved mystique as you say about him. It's like this Seabra hero from. Obviously foreign loans and South Korea. Molly, like, obviously covering ballot or for its or you could. You'll see and Twitter's going focus watched. One even Bruin got onto me. He's like Molly looks own believe like it's rate up broin to get on that. You know. That, you know, he was like Molly looks own. Believe Molly wasn't getting beaten annoy Greenville, Rashi screaming her name. She's so cool on me. Pulled me bull. Just she's just a simple person on g relates to so many people, she's real. She's she is a people's time. You know, it's the best thing about her is, she's an advert in farm. Look, I feel like you know, look, we were really soya, but this cage origin vk as champion. You know are in a difficult situation. Like a don't think anyone would have predicted that she comes in. And she loses to in the anyone the end of the first Ryan's molotov oversee gotten a dominant position then she can control. And she was not the hammer fists on the side of our Yanni's face. Ariani gaup. She looked ROY walked left her legs were all over the place, just wonder if she took such bashing in her first false confidence. While he's unclearly. She nervous not I fight as well. All you anyway, she didn't let go. She let go little bit more than this one. But towards the end the wrench she just little, she just didn't want to be in there. She was white is ghost just use that in the phone there today. And then just here between the segments around thought that was even worse. It was look, look coaches had to urge to go buy Molly was overwhelming her, like overwhelming are like I mean, toy and we said, we, we said the big thing about this was, who's going to be on the phone full because both do a lot of damage on the. Molly took it on what I know it's been Molly was, she was completely common the corner. Look, she was very relentless in the in the actual case. But when she went back to our corner, she was talking to everybody. Find really calm. We'll have to go in and do this on it's just bringing together. She wasn't as maybe rattling frenetic like she's. Yeah. Hostile. She was cool calm composed calculated on. You could see difference from her last two fights. I think our Yanni I don't know what's going on there as well too. Big step. See we see a big step, put some we often say this show, obviously a lot of hack. Sadist. You learn so much from your first loss, but it can go two way. Sometimes, as you know, you over tainting dot looks like is what a top with our Yanni smash she the nerves like you could Ted our legs. She just didn't look though. She wanted to be in there to no way. Agree agree boy. I just think we should say fairplay Molly looks many people where after her for his against Indian, she's rubik's, blah, blah, blah, you shoot them up, money fairplay, these should therefore can mill. Mill performance against the fantastic. Works for our Yanni. Well, she's brilliant. She deserves the being nominal. Fighter cheapen this win for Molly Makonde. That was a savage editor and moving on Italy's Panna destroys women. I have written down here. We don't know if no one's claiming was one of our, our transition. Set is four to concerns that William and getting back in there. It's four years since we've seen him in the in the ultimate flight attendants justified on really, you know it was tough to watch. I don't like saying it Tokyo Horner probably should've pulled them between the second authority. Yes. A lot of blood coats. He just got sparked a content that's beyond all respect to Panya decent. Fighter is a world beater. I don't know probably not a world beater. Yes. You Clinton say, well, he's very easy. He's a difficult skills. Look that much like he's he's hired to fight. He's very tall. But when he's Lada knee offer knee after knee for two rains, come on. You know. I thought he did a print job. The corner shoot of locked dot gun. Modern in this knee more. Let's pull them. But from the sacrament he's beaten up. It was a mess. It was. It was just all clause afterwards, listen, great fight. But I think you draw line on on, let's just hope to watch when you guys I dot come back and constantly the sport alone. There wasn't there was one, I didn't get to see on this car just overlapped on then because it was on the main card. I couldn't access it that easily, and unless you ditched Rico is that always is. Rickie oh or. Well was he robbed because that's what a lot of people are saying. I wasn't overly wasn't. No, I'm not gonna comment. I don't know. It was a Robin e got pissed off. Actually probably scored for his opponents. All you what did I have it? I had twenty nine twenty eight. So I believe it was one of these points if you look after the, the interview in the false, he stormed off was no, he wouldn't shake your haunt. He was on. He was screaming on him his dots. Kevin Harland Kevin Holland. It wasn't. It was a poor for honesty. It wasn't a great voice, but a Kevin Holland to believe popped his shoulder eight as well. Dislocated a shoulder between Ryan's and so to get a win as opposed to those circumstances. Cool. Boko. He's really didn't seem to get gone at all. And I don't think Dana white would be to Hoppy and watching us who knows after Brennan, still he loved it. Didn't I almost thought? And I almost thought. All right. All right. All. Well, let's get onto the main event of everyone's weekend. Bare knuckle FC from the beautiful town of Florida. And local was there for one reason for item on the wasn't ever. Anything else to be honest, some friends come over to watch this on the interest was really doing on dealer body came out. You know what I mean? Chris'll even getting, you know, again, on just look, I was gonna say you did watched his for, for the function of this show, data free on air sports so unfair play to verbally item. You know that's a, that's a big win. That's two wins in a row, Barron. Okel FC. He has. He is elevated stock to a level far beyond where he wasn't the US. Now he was driving the interest in this. I'm sure Polly's tickets were his boxing history as well. But my God Artem leaves that would a hell of a lot of stock and that man is going to get paid wherever he goes, if he wants to fort and bare knuckle Fernow, if you want to go back to Emma, if you want to go the bucks over feeling is going to be a lucrative situation room for, you know, he set off the forty one stop Barron, local world title. So that's an interesting one for me. But I'd like to just comments. Artem, first of all, I thought he showed her her class offer. The fight yet and Sony bought obey paulie. He's themselves very well to wrote this emotion. We've never giving him too much stick. Polly was the one that was really bringing Chris was bringing into the golden amount to commence same on the. No, it's toll for competitive guy. Paulie and say he didn't hit me like the model your face. Like do you know what I mean? It just bothers me like only the ones who needs. The whole fight and dissolves different knuckles. Most. Tentacle or whatever they call, listen to. Unploughed fighting again because I don't like you think you're disgraced boxing. And the way you carry yourself spitting on the guy's face just to listen. Break his teeth. Yeah. What he said is on the build up to actually to, to MMA fighting what he said was clapping was from a press conference. You know, talking about boxing funds and MA funds than Jose case. He was over. There is absolutely just ludicrous comments coming into go guys made, I was glad I hate your wages. I know it might so boxing wouldn't do for you there. You go, so. Yeah, listen. The bucket Paul fairplay to Artem. I'm still is probably donate. Do you believe he's don't? Yeah. Yes. Konate saying he was going to do what he did. And then didn't get a sniff going on. You are near it. And of course, the first thing he said, I think everyone sort of said before on. Oh my hands broken. Okay. Okay. My just go gracefully. It's just very frustrating to see Artan. We did. Did you ever think? Yeah. The fifth on you know watching the fight. Paul, Randy faints, contact arts was watching. It was pressured the president president all was trying to land. Always trying to go, I think ability to close distance from his MA background actually reading. Disclose counters in the pocket all items ruin from. Changing. Fare best Luma. Yeah. Well, Tony card himself accent, whether I think it's great to see him doing so well beyond the US because I never felt they like I mean there were putting them in big spots. There was no real I never felt it was a good plan for. Yeah. You know felt like they were just. Oh, that's once. Oh, that's do this. You'd wonder about paranormal though, you know, where's this money you know how long it's gonna go on. Yeah. I didn't like the I mean, the product was good at didn't look too bad. But it just don't know. It was very hard to hold my interest. Like I mean me in the loudest watching it, we got excited the vaseline situation. We really petroleum jelly getting this Louis updating about this again. This is far more interesting. Listen to you. It's gonna take me. It's gonna take a big for me to go back, you know. Seeing Christly knocked of it. Come on. With our decision got beat no body only way and coda Cochran. It's just it's just an art on Jason OI to the best bodes Jay's my they should've left him outside the ring for now, if it was weird. Yeah. Trains got he's calling paulie Mellon is. You just lost. My said he's gonna retire sit down. Yeah. I think Artem was like. Studio again for you again. It's not for me. Again, you know it's, it's, it's the older fighters. Oh, do you have? That's you know, boxers going in its someone's going to get seriously hurt all feel. So when thinking about the children and right now we have a Hugh, we're going to have a really in depth look at this cage, warriors, one hundred when we're back, there is no better way to start this off than to talk to nNcholas Dhabi, Amman whose story has really, really resonated with the fan base. I mean nNcholas HUD, some serious issues with depression has mental health after UFC stint. He's gone back to the pot, which got him to the big stage cage warriors, and it didn't go all that. Well, first of all, you know, we came back, and there was a split decision laws. Decarlo. Peta solly. It says something about the strength of nNcholas Albee's name, when go get sewing immediately after beating that's, that's valuable a win is seeing over Nicklaus-style be this weekend for. He's Ross use them for the wealth, the way toil Russ. Houston's already got the golden ticket in the belt. But the one thing you need. If you don't have it already with the belt is a win over UFC veteran on here comes nNcholas. This is a very, very interesting. He's a very, very interesting man because Dhabi. So we're gonna leave you what our interview with him, and we'll be back in about fifteen minutes to really give this guy. Good looking over. He is one of the most talked about mine men on this cage warriors, one hundred six the noise of champions. He is the mind. Everybody's talking about ahead of this one, ladies and gentlemen, Hoppy, to introduce nNcholas Dalby back to euro by nNcholas. How are you, my friend? I am doing awesome. Thank you. How are you doing? I'm good. I'm even better because I get to what you this weekend. And I mean it's, it's an incredible one. Because you know, it's been a long road back to this toil on your ROY here now I mean, this has been a three journey with cage warriors, since since your departure from the UFC got off to a not a great start without split decision loss to Pedder Sally, but you've bought back with to bridge. Wins against the hor- and more. Peter. And now you're here. How does it feel? It's so close. Now you can nearly took it. It feels amazing. It's yeah. It's, it's I think last night I had this like full circle moment with, with old coincidence of teams together for the fight. So this is just to me feels like I'm cement thing. My destiny on my place in wars. I'm an in the future of this. Royal, I mean you made, no secret about, you know, bottling your demons ahead of this, and that was way before. Even even the Pederson for that you came out and you made this public, I mean is a good to see so many people get behind you and support you because I've seen a an amazing outpouring of emotion for nNcholas w over the last year. Yes. Of course when you when you bay yourself and open yourself up to the world. It's, it's nice to see that. What I'm putting out is, is getting well received. You know, it's, it's personal stuff. So I'm just happy that the people they take something from it. Be it's getting better mental health themselves adjusts of, you know, getting interested in this Danish fighter so laws. I'm just happy to support them at a how because of this it's, it's actually a big -ployed in the, the fighting industry. It's something that I hear about an awful lot don't see actually being talked about publicly. Look, you did a lot. Do you feel like you know, maybe it's going to help them? Go is to see you speaking about this, and seeing how successful you've been since then. Do you, you believe it will help some for it as to see you being so open like this? I, I hope so. I haven't heard from any fighters that have well actually been a couple. I think actually, if I think about it, it's been a couple of guys. Let me know that, you know, is inspiration to, to hear me getting back on the horse after after going through what I did that was rations to them. But also from just, you know, normal regular people that. You know, doesn't fight that. That's also found symbols gracious, my story, so that, that just adds even more fuel to the fire. Absolutely. I've gotta ask you about your opponent Russ used in the champion. There's, there's been a lot of talk between you to go is you haven't been showy about putting your finger in each other's chest. What, what, what do you think of this going, Russ Houston? I mean, have you watched his voice, and, and if so what do you think of is ability? First of all. Well as a fighter he's decent. Of course. Washed all his fights as I always to with every opponent. I fight. And, and he's, he's got some tools for sure. But I also think that the he talks the talk but he doesn't walk the walk if you know what I mean. He I don't think his his fighting skills matches his. Self-confidence ROY do you, do you see the parallels that always see between you on your first run will cage warriors when you are undefeated on Ross now? Do you compare that do you think it's an a similar situation? He's into where you were on your first cage warriors. Essent. Not really. I felt like even back then I was complete fighter. And if I'd fought him back, then I would've for sure when the fight as well. So. So that's just a comparison, as far as we're concerned. Yeah. I, I don't see it. You know, he, he seems to be a nice guy, but he just I think the way he tries to come across it just gets a bit cringing because he's trying to. It's the new thing and these days, the king of cringe in the UFC on, do you believe Rossel's cage warriors, the king of the king of cage warriors, grins? I let the people decide that but I don't you know, I think I feel like he's trying to hot on the chosen falls through. Yeah. He's a big dude. Like when when I look at the foot like his soy's. Always it's staggering nearly when you see go. He's very very big. Do you feel like that's a key weapon for him here? His just his sheer physicality and soy's. Yeah. In some in some aspects of the fight it for sure is. But again, I don't feel like he's so good use lasting his his weapons. Let's see improve for this five up taking count for, for that happening as well. And that's that's why feel like he isn't living up to his potential 'cause he east is I think he's on performing in regards to to the physical traits. He has. And me personally fighting him. Yeah. He's a big do, but he's not bigger than Dr until even like I think one of those are my fourth fifth profile, you know, a photo huge Finland. So I've been in that with the people that his size, you know, of course, they can they can they can be strong. But the then the so many other things you can do with them. Yes. Feels like a silly question given that your ass gone the navy and on everybody over there is at least two foot taller than me at least ninety way you know, you goes real. He's a he's look when people look at this point Nick, the one thing people keep saying to me, is, like Houston's, never fought a Gorelick nNcholas Dalby before they feel like you're the best opponent these ever been put against 'em. Can you say that same thing for him because we know that who you fought? You know what I mean? Can you is anyway, arguable that this is the biggest test of your career? I if, if I look at the. Look at Houston paper. He's, he's nowhere near that the most dangerous opponent vote for sure. This is one of the most pivotal fights, Mike career. So the fight itself. And of course, there's a part of that is, is a very provable win for me. But looking just that use them and the tools he carries an toolbox I wouldn't put him on a you know, top three of the best opponents fold. So, you know it was wondering about that. And I'm also wondering about an unbeaten going when you're planning is a heritage to, to plan for an unbeaten because you don't have that footage of him being beaten. Because in a lot of people they go and beat. And then they're forced loss. Everyone says there's the blueprint to beat this doesn't make it a more difficult task to construct a game plan to beat this. He hasn't been beaten before. Kind of depends on if he had loved, how he lost, like if you've got knocked out and six seconds, she wouldn't be a thing ROY. So, but, you know, he's he's gone to love the sessions with me as a lot of footage on him. And you know, that's given us a very good picture of who he is a fighter. And in what way we think he could have improved. Plus, he puts up a lot of stuff in his social media, that gives us clues as well. So. Yes. This about what can you can you elaborate on that somewhat or this, a secret that you're not telling us. It's not a secret. We've just been looking at what he's been putting out on social media. You know, having a look, it's giving you some hints. Well, it's, it's confirmed things. Let's say like very interesting. But, you know, yeah, he's he's, he's when you indicate one thing is looking video, and one other thing is being in the kitchen. I, I recognized that pill slowly not that I overlooked him. But I from looking at video of him a thought it was maybe gonna be an easier fight. Plus I was coming back from, you know, along views, stuff like that. So, so it was a more difficult than I expected. So having that happened to me has for sure. Put me in a state where I'm never gonna look past on ever. The listeners of the show will hear interview with grain Boylan later on in the episode. But I'll tell you something, he said to me, and he praised you not only as a foreigner, but as a person, but he also said that he believes that, you know, four fighters could be on the US's right after this event. The one of the most prominent stories, the most prominent story is. About the fact that people believe that you're not only funding for Ross Houston's, well the way total. But they believe you're fighting for a slot on that UC Copenhagen card when this was announced people are saying, if Dhabi wins this he should be the first name on that card. Do you believe I mean seeing this grow and grow since the fights been announced, do you, do you believe that this is the one? This is the one that will get you back to the promised land, so to speak. Yeah. I like the way you put it. Yes. For sure. That's, that's why feel this fight is so pivotal. And that's why prepared so intensely for a really been improving my skills, even more than the last flight, and especially my mental where I'm mentally has has gotten even better than before. Do do the UFC give you a hint when you're this close to something like this, because obviously, it's hard for media goes is to get this information all the UFC m d do you get a hint when it's coming up close? Or do you just get a feeling? Does it just feel like everything is moving towards that situation? Well, if you're asking me directly, if I've gotten any hints in, though, what happens, but that could be my manages just, you know, messing with you, you know, making sure my head is focused on the right task. But I think either way. It it doesn't matter too much. 'cause I think being you know, told that, hey if you win this fight you having secretly, if you win the fight you're gonna win, maybe that could put some pressure on that will be detrimental. So I like just focusing on this fight and doing the best job as I can. And then that should the, you know, that's what happens next surely, if this void goes, according to plan, and you of the performance that you have planned in your Moines. You'd be disappointed if that called in Comber like I mean, would you be a shouldn't be putting? Absolutely. Yeah. I'll be I'll be very disappointed because I really feel like even the last fight that I showed I am way better than amazing than. Yeah. Thank you. I'm way better than than everyone else in the case was lots division right now. So and you know, I really feel out, I'm a couple of steps ahead of couple levels about and yeah, so don't get signed bacteria rec-. They're they are missing out, then they making a mistake. But they like to make good decisions. So I'm sure it's going to happen of the put on an awesome performance given everything that's happened Nick, and given the road, you've been on this amazing story for for guys like me. Especially, of course, put him, you know, do you look back on your UFC void Sam, you know, the last couple of deep. You look back in them, and unrig wres-. Did you have any regret when you look back on them or how do you feel about it? I did have one point. Now I don't have any regret anymore. That was that was part of, of journey to be where I'm at now for better or worse. And if I hadn't gone through those fights gone through all the shit out, gone through a wouldn't have been where I have now with the beautiful fiancee, incredible amazing daughter, good, mental health. The I'm in a good place right now. So I wouldn't like switch out anything else, and I wouldn't be where I'm today. Stuff hadn't happened the way that it's an incredible. Look you have. Do you have a look? I mean, this is a very cliche question to ask you, what do you have a prediction, when you think about this will end is a way to keeps playing in your head? When you see. Feel violence. Well. I like the sound of that. Make did you get dealing with shorts the way? That's, that's another question. I wanted to ask you saw you online earlier. You want the leopardskin shorts for this one. Apprentice, my thing though, he has his apply yet. I think I'm. The am looking for reply, maybe I'm no famous enough. Do have a blue check Mark on Twitter. But yes, replied you terrible. This is terribly gotta tell you where you got the goddamn leopardskin shorts Buddha. Second making. It's always a pleasure. I'm going to see you in London, and we can't wait to see you for it again. Thank you for giving me so much time ahead, this really appreciate you. It's the pleasure. Always to talk to you. So, yeah, call me anytime which Nick, you have to look after their you can hear him annoying by taking over time with our father and various. All the vest, move friend. You're welcome. This is Karen wisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast Rico decode every week, we have candid in depth conversations with people like Elon Musk Nancy Pelosi and Kathy Griffin. We talk about how they got to where they are today, and how their work is changing our world. New episodes of Rico decode are released every Monday and Wednesday. And we often have bonus episodes on Friday. Subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast app. Great to speak, the nNcholas nickleby has always one of mine. What a Gente account. Wait. I think it's main event for a reason given his story, given given the implications of a win for either him or Ross, I think is up -solutely massive for everyone really fighting for the toilet. I'm the rest. It's huge. It's huge. Let's have a look great. Let's get Minneapolis. I would away, there's only a couple of Europeans on this card and its main event at boy Francis Francis and Gandhi from France, not Cymru. More. Does not us or you can see this being a serious serious task for Francis to be honest or idea. Like, I think junior story is unbelievable. I think he's believed. I think he's made a lot of goals look amateur that he's been there recently. But of course, at the end of the big front, he's got power, and he can't keep on going, and what do you think about main event? I mean, do you do you feel like we haven't really seen the loins the bookmakers loans? The feeling I'm getting seeing online is a lot of people. See Francis in the ascendancy here. I think it's going to be a close one on the on the bulky lines, definitely to elite level goalies. It was interesting today Francis and Ghana questioned juniors village. He has presented GT blocked belt. Abuse. And I think maybe a good toxic because we've seen gene got rattled once or twice, and he doesn't tend to perform his best when these in rattled sort of state of Moines. So this a wide open when I see this playmate in the feet though, as you said, you know, the box, and we've seen from junior to Santus is such an elite level. I think it was beat ban brought Rothwell and Croatia. That was like in clinic was a blog. Even off that he fought his well made him. Look, look what always don't combinations on the feet, and the variation of he'd e so fast easy, getting a boxing ring for me. Oh, yeah. I think you already has. And then you have the, you know, Francis and Gannett you just have that hellish parrot that he could, you know, if you lands, as well you know, what way to call this footage. I think it's a really fascinating Francaise does of the potential to land junior senior office game and certain flights as well. He has we've also seen fronts. Definite office game. This is going to go one way or the other obviously bought it. Just office, coin of really sure what for you. We're going to see my interesting. Could see a terrible as well possibly, you know, Boko he's been a little bit hesitant. Gauge a little bit like the fight where we saw Lewis. Yeah. I wouldn't wouldn't really be ROY, I don't, don't expect expect union Tacoma on wanting to torture, get in and then very quickly. Then it's going to be gone business close this like it's gone again, you know, getting bashed up against the cage, and then just unleashing a colossal rice on J JD has had knocking to mate. It's it is one of those flights. I think we're gonna see a really explosive fight. That's gonna end in Rams are fight that's going to be pretty stale on. Maybe a little bit Chaz. Like junior has a his way and he's able to pick them apart. I don't think Joe Frantz makes the difference. I think it's different for in the steep, where instead of having someone lawyer on you. You're gonna have someone Tatyana in you. I junior has one stop power one hundred percent. I'll definitely go back and look at American for Jason report at juicy form Egan job Bellavia does. The number one contender might never. The Komen event. It's just make a decision. He's got the return Damian Moi against Anthony Martin. Yeah. But the one the, the other big European interest in the car. It is. Of course, Paul Craik taking our own defeated opponent. And this has become pretty much the the standard macho for Paul now. You're just you're going to be funded undefeated going Paul every single time he's coming off that win over candy juke was he called the African East African savage or something like that. He's from killing exam anyway, and I think it was just you just you just wonder oppose them. Some of his wins the is being very underwhelming in the fall. He's still gets doing still gets don't maybe the SE bras, and we don't want this in here. But he's he's winning. He's pulling out of the bike going for broke. Let's just keep terms. The Williams time to look it like almost. Don't kill owner dog story. But everybody's backing the toured around so mission for all these days, I think it was the fight, you know, and I just I always sort of worry Paul his gas tank doesn't seem to be the best. It's weird when because this is one of talked to you Bill before I think like it's weird. The fact that you're ROY in the sense that joining the full he but somehow he didn't pull out this mazing grapplers. I where are you finding the energy for this? That's why I like this story thrown into the wolves the whole time on if he does this now again, like I spoke to Paul about this before, on the show, it's like he's got that ruin of on the go is the moment, boy, feel it could be tagged onto wins. One against Kennedy against Leno manifield. They're gonna start throwing him to to these two monsters. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, look at look at his losses, they haven't been too bad toys, and petro Khalil Roundtree like these are. Yeah. They were getting the polls from the from the bras and the FCC. So it's. It is. It's an interesting one. Who knows Paul Craig upon release. I'm looking forward to I'm looking forward to it. Now, let's get onto the real business. The real stove. Its cage warriors one hundred mile oil have been doing his car on a little bit or love the, the whole the whole idea that these guys can change our lawyers would a win that night. As we know them cage warriors, toils, golden take to the UFC, and six normal, grabs like this. We'll talk to grain Boylan about this later. But this is a big risk for promotional cage warriors to put that many toils on a card. Like I mean, this is believable, three four five six unbelievable at Dalby Houston's of very interesting much. I mean Houston is the. The only blemish career he looks the part. He's huge on here comes Dalby after bottling all these Damon's, Tacoma, turn reclaimed built on on. Everybody feels as though if Dhabi wins, he's going straight on Copenhagen Carter. They think he's the force name the she'll be on the sheet. Yeah, that's a lot of pressure. You know, for Nickless Albie credible. He's tweeting a bed at the whole time and again on this week Cohen, hang. So proud of the Danish funds for it. So already, you know. You know. Just think maybe it's a worry for me when he's are taking a base the future it's impossible, not. No. It isn't put someone's that using. Was in Stockholm. Everybody's was backstage. Dalby Dalby, everybody and potentially arm back. Listen, it's an you think it's a no brainer. But how many times CFC make fake? There you go. And listen. Yeah, I'll just for obviously had mental issues as well. He's, he's talked about the depression and things like that. To maybe build yourself open, it just maybe takes off the little bit of wadis hopping in this out of a little bit of worry in relation for this open. So impressed Ross Houston as well. Yeah, he's a beast. He's a beast. Like you know, as I said before this is this is a win. That's every bit as important to him as it is the Dalby. I mean he needs that win over you of veteran. We saw Carlo Petrzalka to last month. Bet Nichols was sowing within weeks of beating that's the coin a pedigree, that's way too UFC him. You know what I mean? He's right there, and definitely like just look at the goal is they've seen in the past, as you said, you've ballots going into this going to be probably the most watched show, the year would. On UFC passes. Well, a guarantee Dana white and them showing you'll have they're always in this one on hopefully batter all used in the last. We're gonna see Jack ground for, for a lightweight toil. Obviously, this was the Goya everybody wanted to see sarin back voice this fall. Sarin bike, obviously dropped down to featherweight won the interim toil against Morgan, Jerry. And then, you know, the recipe toil has been essentially vacates, and so Jack grant joy Hebert month. Holy shit is a barn burner. Forever was like I mean, can you believe that that bomb didn't resign joyously? They let them go off. Look look at this, like, are you kidding me much? Look a mean against McColgan that was the one that put him on the map lake. I mean he's already. Let's be honest put that was like you're going in there buying McColgan on your without result when, when you Joe McCall, and it was, you know, you're gonna open level in our cage, warriors rankings here. You're gonna you're gonna pretty much soon fight for Todd uninteresting wins in a row category. Isn't it? You know as much as respect joy I love this. If re-something onto seventy this could very well be reasonable versus Jack too much, not as well. Just just nobody before I think this one's you know, someone's guy finish here. But if we look at joy's last fight on holy fuck thought was like that was impressive impressive stole against even O'Keefe to, to just take a mate, and knock devastating for all team. Joey on after being after being under it for the full four minutes. I was getting obstinate east. Schwinn one opportunity. Presents pop up your don't I gotta say, Jack was one of the goals are putting away prospects to watch him. He just looks own believing. Money's a good lawyer Lloyd way too. It's hard to believe twenty-seven money's obsolete monster of dude. And his last forty bet the Lasco you bets are back and he had a great performance Perry. Goodwin who we saw in there with again. I mean, I just think this is an absolute animal, and he's on a. A six four win streak. I see. I see joy, as a story of, like I mean, you can't not see that the way he did that the Steven one opportunity, and that's the way it's doing believable, but all of this real stole clash, I it's really, really really, really good for and another for all of all these Dane Truman v. Mods Burnell Burnell is another comeback. The cage warriors, look like he's completely separated from the field like he looks believable and dean Truman is this going concert on her dog ago? He was putting the putting the hard work people who know the game no Houdini Truman is. And this is like Cohn. See sarin back in danger, but I think this is just as good for eight months. What happens if you know, everyone puts on folk and barn burner here in these six fights and wins the price of twelve it's toll fun, Huda sewing, like dots it, you know, I it's I think I think the UFC you've got to be looking at modern nNcholas. So I think they have to be I don't I don't think so. I mean, I think wins Amer specially big. Yeah. Probably your dad, right. Most of the, you know, the goal he's from what region as well as we worked down the car does also other things and grain boiling, Disney interview that we talked about in the interview, it's coming in the show when you've got goes like middleweight and heavyweight point for toils. They're a major the on the radar, and that's a great to speak about the town's end of origin. Mr James Webb, he his stock is going over him on. You can feel feel it in the fan base. He's beginning to connect with them and a win here. Over notorious Frederick, improves the seven and one without middle-way toil wrapped around his race. He's young, he's the UK and you know, I think he's not from Cal Chester anymore. These from swords yes from team KF bought 'em. I just get the feeling with webby that web web you going with the webby, but I get the feeling that, you know, he's a going needs to be ready for the call because I. Middleweight when you have that toil, you're very close. It could happen at the drop of a hat and putting the toys Frederick, dares to, maybe you feel those web house to do something spectacular. He has he's capable of it. Look, I mean you see getting away from James because he's so good in the ground you sold up. Yeah. He's when he wound the toil put them I think it's a big one for him on. It's a big move for Chris feels Tom king. All the goes down there on. We'll talk about another one of their fighters in a few minutes. Som- Krizia Floyd. Do you worry like I mean for the flow will be always remembered Nate and grays and beat some crazy. He gets the toilet Lenny leaves, because he says, look, the UFC they hav any plans for flow. Why do I keep killing myself to get down here today? Let's be honest about it on CNN. I it's, it's Henry save. It will save it, though. I think Dana white said he did. And we always know he tells attorney has a treat every week and you need glasses. Spec savers for won't believe right? Listen. No fly gone as far as I'm concerned, you don't expect a Tim to class. Yeah. No, I'm not saying, oh, no, no. I know. But when you're, you know, you're releasing guys like prospects, the whole time of shorty Tarez has gone like about six months ago was on beaten. He know. You know. You're not they're not gonna sign, you know if. Disappointing because I was always a massive advocate for the flyweights watching them. There we go. Regular weekly Shaka shot. Now, they actually hear this comes through, but it doesn't matter yet it's just frustrating for these guys on shore. Because, you know, I think every fight is dream is to get the UFC, and when you're on a platform like this, and then you have cer sewing flyweights you're probably going to be going. Go to thirty five pains lots sorry about. Yeah. If you wanna fight in the US's going to be up to thirty because they're not doing I think Scott, poker's really, you know, shit the bad as well. And again, by saying they're not interested in denoted twenty five painted rowing. Cores can sell tickets on. Here's the flow weights. There you go. But like a module, the wealth of talent they could sign on created division of bills. Really oppressive quality division on their turn their back in obsolete. Ludicrous, in my opinion. Yes. Yeah. I'm just not sure. In this title fight, as it is, for the guys in terms of yet, USC trajectory to toil Martin hamlets, this Goi has been talked about boys, some of the best word is in the world 'em at Volk on Alzheimer's. Singing this raises head of his last Voight. Everybody in Scandinavia going crazy. But this going, I think he's got something like fifteen world honors in wrestling. He's even as training with some of the best goes out there. And he's going to be put up against Modesto cow because who is a savage striker, and I feel like the way hamlets being talked about. He is like I mean he's right there. You know the way he's held in that esteem. He's at two oh, four again increase field says he wants to challenge two winner of this UFC. But I think you think he goes, the Norwegian Norwegian, it makes sense to tro on. And Copenhagen Cardiff, if he goes it, and makes a statement like there's a lot as you said on the line here for especially discount the navy and guys because literally, I think anew go you in college. That was lives, Dan. And in Sweden on. It's literally, I think twenty minutes across routes Copenhagen from where he was living stuff. You know, it is, it's a lot of areas there that intertwine with the city of Cockburn hovel. So yeah, this bring them with a focus chasing. Ratliff, who, who was previously fought James Webb, he lost a there's fund KO a lot of people were very upset about against hack and fuss. That's gonna be a savage, our Scandinavian. How can I always brings it in Gary and look of talked about this plenty and no really looks like he's the full full full package is James chigney fossil cracks. Yes, james. She in his debut in order graders prospect, and to find the way. And his fourth professional fight with the biggest it was from cage. Warriors Conway seat is going back in their much making as well. You know, no need to get there yet. Let the mind learn his craft. He looks like he knows plenty of road already. But more you gotta come to see him go again. Louis monarch and Morgan share. Yeah. Morgan, Sherry against back, Intrum toil brilliant as well. Or really like it is up. Darnall Gorman from cork is taking on autumn ama- singer. I'm a singer was considered one of the great prospects until you run into Scott Malone. We know they need goes am at these way classes, and they need to be the, the bottom weight division now that edge actual has gone. They need to start creating contenders. And look, there's a good way, for Darren O'Gorman believe Adams really held, and Hoyas team am I believe there's a good way for Darren to get himself on that writer is that funny taking place at one twenty four. Everyone says when he wound twenty foot would've thought would've as well, but how whenever you're going to need some contenders. If you're gonna crown a champion, I guess. Alex Horo vs VR and calendar. That's a great for. That is a crack invite. It is. Yeah. Reese, Mckee was gonna be the Lojore if you weeks, go Twitter said he turned down a fully against reasons. That was an interesting one. Yeah. I mean, and this is no disrespect to iron iron because he's, he's very well, supporting Wales and that Alex's logic, and that he didn't reach, because he doesn't have a big enough name compared to this ludicrous. I don't think that's I don't think that's to actually publicly said on Twitter, so you can go check that might still fall together from the Hora Alex is a weird. You never really know. Very good for no easy for her. But you never know what you're going to get. Yeah. Absolutely. That is houses in the interview afterwards. That's all I want. Yeah, no, this annoys goalie. But yet that was a weird comment to make this. The most ambitious cage warriors, kind of, like you've ever seen given the amount of toils thrown on the line. That are on the line there. Yet, only you can argue with, you know, obviously, I think, you know, BTU employed was was was pretty kill project called project as well. So, yeah, def it's definitely amount, and I'm looking forward to, to seeing a notch. I'm going to be able to watch it. All you've got to watch half life and the office Saturday. But yeah this. A hundred. Stream or whatever they call it red Cosmo LVN control without weekend for damn. Look, there was no one else could speak to. That is more prevalent in lead up to this than Mr. grain boylans. He is he never fails. This. Yeah. Look, we have a bit of Royal rent going to show you away from it. The bills far farther breeds, far drives fall, Wales, something like that, and fishes or Wales. I think one of the most interesting things he said here was that he believes that there's four or five boys could potentially get outta here. You don't hear grain saying that, you know, like here's more for. He says to me that he's obviously, shots would show on show on, you know who you know can for who we watching here. He's, he's good people wouldn't admit that to me, though. Yeah, he's not gonna go and say put at the end of the day, you know, the UFC aren't complaining with some of the guys that of shift from cage where he's probably the most successful. I don't wanna say feeder, promote it is in Europe, like on the says ninety four is gone from there. So listen. I'm sure she won't shy. He's going to be on the whole time and yeah. Sean shabby into McMahon are due to European losses, my opinion, so they definitely could go Nogo loud, the works for categories. Oh, it's never gonna stop local. Get onto will will give you the grain Boylan interview, brilliant store. Very entertaining. Always always. Welcome here is the corkman em. I'm looking forward to seeing him on the weekend. We went back to you in about ten. As promised, we are joined boy, Mr President himself, Mr. grain Boylan. The head of cage warriors, who believe is putting on one of the most ambitious cards in the history of the promotion this weekend. And I think that's a good place to start grain. I mean, is this cage warriors, one, oh, six to champions. Do you feel like this is the biggest card cage warriors, put on your history? I don't think in a history of us to ensure together Ian, I could possibly put on a short on what we're doing something I think it's conic iconic show. F- one for the history books in an iconic venue in a venue. The hasn't hosted them before and has got tight life from the Apollo, which I believe that the device into the cake. Absolutely am account. Wait to see it. We sell on one of the things that I guess is standing this, the six toil. I mean, that's just absolutely massive. But I was wondering how you feel about it because it's something that we don't. Often ask you just completely presumed, but how do you feel about that the whole loin that the cage warriors toils are seen as the golden ticket to the US's? That's something that you're comfortable with hearing. Or how do you feel about that reimburse it man? It's, it's, it's something that we know we know where we fit. We know what happens when guys get those belts, and we know we've done a good job to actually guide guys if they've been in the organization in the last five or six points with us. And they're on the roster. We've kind of guide them. And when guys can go out there go in there and take the win and move on the next step. Take the win. We want the next step. The pot is there for them to, to go on the way to go show. And, you know, I it's no secret bigger show was UFC, and we're quite comfortable in the fact that what we do is legitimate process, you know, we build stars, they go on to become bigger stars. So what happy with that we brace it? I've never heard anyone debated are or anything like that. But it was just wondering, have you ever heard of a different promotion in Europe and being able to coin to come on that same history that you guys have a believe Jack shore was a ninety four go sewing, ROY look. I mean that's a hell of a number. Yeah. I don't I don't believe there is I would like to think we know everything about a market and our game and deter trees that we work in. I, I don't believe there's somebody that can say that knowing agree agree. I was just seeing in case you had anyone Neagle into your mentioned, there ever on this kind of stuff. You know what I mean? I think we're saying without one. Okay. Okay. I mean, it is it like as we said, ninety one four hundred have gone from cage warriors, the UFC, and do you believe that there is a good possibility that we can see not to at the weekend? Do you believe that, you know, one of these boys who wins the weekend or these six toil could be on that rate, our already? And people are just waiting for that one more win a cage warriors when I was six, I think you could possibly see in the coming forth of five weeks. They stopped the back of the results on Saturday night. I think you could see ninety two three four five. Well do. That's, that's, that's what I feed could see. Because if you look at the divisions that these that these fights are in and you look into divisions of the year of c I see, no reason why a minimum of ninety two hundred three hundred four could happen in the coming weeks. Hell does that work? Like do you tell the goal is that this is ROY ding on this? Or do you just feel? They know that because, you know, like fans now if you get belt, you are on the right are do you specifically tell these guys look this one is particularly big for you. Or do you just let it play out? However, it's gonna play don't feel that they need out of pressure on. Would you sit back and let the fight hopping between eating and I- internally? You know, we, we know we, we would have a good idea going into the event who retains gonna behold in about for seven or eight days in hundred back in, they signed. That must be that must be a lovely problem for to have as a matchmaker. Yeah. He's going to champion. And we found ninety seven of a right. I suppose he has a good. He's a good history and that to my him. The, the one story that's really coined of stood under so many good stories. But the one that is really standing out for me is nNcholas Dalby, the fact that he has come home, basically, he, he has come back to the place that put him on the radar. I put him on the international raider. I can remember Albee's worse room with cage warriors and feel like he was probably the next big champion after Conor McGregor. I'm sure you could think of many more names. But that's just the way of fell for me at the time. And the fact that he's going to said he had these mental health issues. He's combeback. He stumbled at the forest Hordley against Petr Selley, then he tugs on wins against film will Peter and the Horry. And here he is, again trying to get that welterweight toil back on a course. UFC Copenhagen's ends up Denver and a lot of people believe that he should be the first name on the card of houses, Andres here, and I mean, have you been what's it been like, working with w late because he's an interesting going. He's, he's a real. Individual. Yeah. It'd be first person and second, he's incredible athletes begin practicing what he wasn't ESE today. Determine around come back step into those shoes again, and do it all again and be back in opposition again, that's gotta be the most admiralty. You can see from any going, you know, that's the sign of a true champion. That's the sign of a guide has been knocked down and excuse. The pun, however, that's the guy. That's live the rocky the rocky quotes, you know, he's been knocked down. He's got backup and he's kept walking in Harry is, again fighting for not belt. It also for me. That's phenomenal place to be. But he, he ain't guard, an easy fight Ross Houston. While she doesn't know what the feed is. He's not heating. He he's, he's a tough tough guy huge. Well, he's an absolute monkey deal. Yeah. He's big for the weights. He can take. He can take a lot of pleasant punishment as we saw in the paternal flight when he wanted to belt. Absolutely. So, you know, defied like everyone said to me. We're doing the order for place on the people involved in this, like why isn't the why are we going to wait order for these fights? And it's like even the rural world title fights. This is the flight the house that sparked isn't the fight the highs the talk. This is the one. That's the so much writing on his have to the main event. It coined of for me. It coin of shows the value of cage warriors as well. Let's, let's be honest, Nickless coulda went anywhere after the he he's a stoning Ford or to watch. He is a big name. He could've went anywhere, but he went back to you go is like, does that mean something to you as well? Yes. You know, we have very strong. We've strong relationship nNcholas we, we've been together since two thousand eleven maybe two thousand twelve you see them rise. We've seen them before we see them rise again. We've been from the entire time. So what happy to help him back and give them the platform that he's wanted them. Where truly happy that he gave us the opportunity to have them back. You know, you could have gone to organizations and just taking money fights, but that's not him. That's not his character. He wants to be what the best in the world competing. And if you're going to go back and take money fights and other organizations, then you're not competing against the best in the world in the best place in the world, and he's MacArthur, you know, and like I said to swing this white back and keep fifty fifty Ross's the same wants to be at the best place in the world where he can be. And he wants to fight the best in the world. So there's so much debating back and forth out of this main events spot on a night of champions in such a historic event, because the world title fights there. So, you know, giving you a ton of ton of content that you from the right about. Yeah. Nearly tomb which to be honest with you. But we won't get into. Probably put it. I don't want to press you on this tomb, which put a lot of people kind of have talked about the back and forth between yourself on Moi Cogan, John Calvin online, like a lot of people believe that Bella tore in cage warriors competing for this market right now. I mean, do you feel that way? Or would you Ryan comment on the on the relationship between, Bella and cage warriors? I know who wanted. His name's is of no comment on him. But whose, whose the whose Mike what's his name, Mike Cogan? You see he is the main goal there. Bella tore, you know, he's the, he's the much maker. Fucking hard as naming. But in a way. Sure my interest in folklore. So, you know, it does not allow for kidding comment on that. But no, they're, they're of absolutely Notre what we do what so ever. You know, the guys in our organization wants to be fighting against the competing against the best athletes in the world. You know the guy he's fighting on the other organization. The differ the paychecks. They're there therefore, you know, a of those flights handpicked opponents and another said, name compensations wanted to guys who's humping opponents for guys. So, you know that's not really doesn't really your sport. It's not what we do. They call it a developmental game is more like a his money has win there. I think that defines a fake. So it's not the type of path cage wars will ever go down. Yes, of course, you know, whip Delatour being their course. They can't compete with you in terms of getting to see you don't think they can even are you that at all? Did you see the online reaction to the, the broadcast issues? Your day care. Cage warriors pro itself, when it's broadcast over two years. Did you see any of that? I'm not online, a great deal these there's or stay away from it. Got a fall. Our holy says I've got no filter. When I gonna go online stuff fucking run. So, so people your phone on you. Take my phone or they want mentioned stuff to me run of the because I have no problem jumping on speaker minds. I tend to stay away from it. It upsets too many people when I go on to really, right? Well, I'll draw dot and get back to this, because it is absolutely astronaut. Look, I mean when, when you're looking at the names here, I mean every single one of these going that's ready for the UFC there. I mean we we've talked about Houston. Dhabi put jet grandfather getting shot at the lightweight toil, but it's no easy road against joy, Hebert mon-. He has looked incredible since he's come on in a cage warriors Bonner of the legendary cage Daintree and taking on my Burnell as well. You've got the Andy towns end of origin is Krispies called them, James Webb of team KF taken on the Toya's Frederick, som-, crease going for that flow away belt against somebody or for dean on them a hugely talked about going from Scandinavia here in the forest at toil foyer in Martin harmless. I mean of ood Amir unloads goes in the UFC already saying this. Goya's ready? I mean, would sort of using the Dalby there won't out there that's jumping out to you. It's very difficult question. I know because each of them as our own merits put his or anyone there that you're particularly looking forward to in title fights devolve through his right. So I mean come come title fight time on champions, am firmly going to be looking for a seat to watch. I'm gonna just hope this is nothing for me to do, but sit down and be a fan of watch these fights. Because from hamlet to modesto's Zamira Chrissy web Frederick Burnell Truman grant, and then into the Houston. I mean that's a fight funds. Dream watch watching those flights, you know. And to watch him live, gnome, what we know about them. I haven't watched the stories come true. It's, it's six fights, relooking forward to watching, you know, when, when you get dum with these events. How do you measure, if there's success or not, like I mean, is there a way you can tell do you even care wounds? Once you've done, you've put on the event you even to care about what attraction it gets and stuff like this, or how do you feel about it? Onto the next cell to system. It's a it's a show. That's done. It started a watch it the next day choosy my routine to watch it the next season when I got home. And then for us, we're onto the next show. You know it's, it's, it's the books on dusted. We, we, we let the fans and the journalists like yourself, we let you guys decide what it was. 'cause you the end the day you're writing about it, your guys a follow it. So we put her on we knock them down. You guys read about it in, you guys say, what it was good or bad. So for us, we're we, we move on the next the next event. Would you gotta you gotta admit the other good feeling about this? You gotta have a good feeling about this one. Yeah. Of course. I mean, we we always any show we linked to we have a good feeling about. But once it's done. It's done Graham. Thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on. I love getting young before these big events. And I really can't wait to be over there in London on Saturday night, mon-. I'm so excited for this good. Quotas senior Newman tank you so much speak the against Bye-bye. Bye bye weekend together buddy. And thank you for those quotable 's Graham Boylan. I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of tweets about that one. Some good loins on, you know, maybe things that we've employed in the past, and well, things we still unsure about questions of. Some maybe. Answers that probably we need bit more. Then we're talking about. It's going to be interested on this. Greg card really good interview. Enjoy pizza on them. What amounts boiling? He's, he's from cork though is. He's like, he's like him and Emma. Martin Lewin has to. Great way. That's a point someone said that before. And I was like that's. Alan Murphy versus case. Imagine. But this let's take you out. It's Martin v. Will buy this. This is this believe it. When I really Conway, genuinely you're gonna. Oh, yeah. They're obviously, you know, econo- cage arenas. Well, yeah. Oh, sweet shit like this is the first one to India below. Big big dune in the follow, you know before I don't think zone, they've usually do the, the copper box in opera box. I just want to before we get onto our usual segments tender and whatnot. And I know you don't have them anymore. I know you don't. I'm not happy about it. It's happened. And that's the way it goes back to her. You know, just. I just. Put him. I just wanted to say a one stage just after you shave off. Ben cartilage told me that he had a fantastic mustache and deserves to be recognized. You said it's not most. Grow beards. They going to showing oil. That has Bank many moons ago would have most. Ducts, that was Dane. Where would you great though? I mean on the on the scale that is pretty high cars the hair look Harris. One Taussig is a fantastic, man. And a foreign Kotei there, he's, he's a you know, make it. Good COPA Tina froyo, let's say, yeah. Tell you broad wardens Warren, Brad warned says you're gonna make scotch egg this weekend. The full Broadmoor and wouldn't start giving me some fans don't butter brat. He's a horrible person. Picture that join than somewhere in Cheshire put it put put McGraw monitors shame. Rogoff but he's having full cucumber sandwiches, and salmon sandwiches and pledging garden. With Rhode Island's fairplay for all you see at the weekend. Console wasn't press. He's one hundred percent month. He is one hundred percent what I wanted to ask you about is something that you said to me just briefly between segments. There you tell me delete Twitter, but yes, you have somebody taxing, you provoking voles, Peter sexual rows. I'm not jokin always do. Tells going on what going on shift. Have you found the one yet? I think this girl who was texting eagerly at the moment. I think she'll be the one. No, I don't think so. I think she needs to American girls. Got better when American girls. She ease on Tinder no think American girls are local baragan woman, stay away from me. So I'm married. You've had success in the in the states like feeling work. Stephanie off. Yeah. Yeah. Just maybe the girls are they'll give you a chance. No matter I go in there. I think at least a minute, normally, sometimes here, what's your car to drive? Well, that's your problem. Make money don't drink and blonde for a weekend. Yeah, I recommend clean open those sort of, of kids. Peasants. Shoot me from blanche one of these days. You know, they'll be actually you're one of ours. Now is rising. You know what was that? A party on Freud beautiful, Mark as the last the youngest in the group between thirty Moi mates were just telling me how much they love you breaks, my heart. They were like all he became shoes and actually make make sure you ten. Yeah, it was a great. As next week, clean them every week that's paying for. Lick the bottom. Yeah. Hordes me that they look you sure this runoff. I'm not I'm not that in a Sant and certainly not your fucking on anyway. I'm definitely innocent of everything. You're fucking whatever plunge and all we wanted to say as well. Are you always be in the shit? I just wanna say, you know, trying to covert his push for regulating for a long time, and it was incredibly difficult to get image to speak to me on Barrio always fiery, an auntie Mon always came out and spoke from the heart spoke the truth 'em. Really appreciate him like really, really had. No. What a way over in that story. And now of course, they're always asking those recovering it. Well, because we actually, the first place at Barry wasn't part of the problem. There was any ruined of always been brilliant, and those goals have put together the high-performance strain in January and they've done a lot. We bury deserves a lot more credit than he gets is definitely. He's had some great prospects there and Emma. I wonder what's going to happen to lose Nathan Kelly and Austin Lynch over there. Great void or so wonder what's going to go on with them? I'm sure Barry has that story today while anyway. But em thanks very much. Bye. Well, don't Joe JR. Oh, me fucking on more famous for being similar looking to Basel than anything else does needles like big. Vows to us now. He's great through coaching Finglas or glass, Nevin area, make sure you pop into cues Jim. We've done it many times. Of course, I bought it everyone. Let's not get into. Yeah. All the things on which. Well, that's everything. I mean, do you have anything else to add this weekend is gonna leave much as hopefully, hopefully, hopefully, Christian Eric's talk to be honest? You is that really happening from his, there's a little bit of talk that Christner attorneys deal from Real Madrid. True. So there's a lot of talk of him coming into monsters, you know, he wants to ruin careers. Well, that's a lot of players these days, if the Moonies there, they'll just do anything, personally. So Wamba sock is this week, actually Crystal Palace right back fifty million pain? They're talking about, you know, the world's mod. What a very good player, do you like while I'm beside going to be big success? You know, it's still a lot to worry times plan Edwards is still running the transfers on basically one of the club, which is, you know, more concerning than probably even Paul Paul. So Paul pod things the best player in the obsolete disgrace. He's not that in its terrible. Human being. Johnson. He's a little hair. That's everything we've got. I don't wanna fully Krankl Knowles rage levels because we already had a lot with the Ballatore lunar thing on the Brennan, anything he has to sleep at some stage. You know he's gonna take seven literally jewels. We're finished up renting is when I read he's got on. That's right. The face what law you've lost. We can just round at for an IRA mean, everything that went on, you know, don't know if you come in with those PT Carol numbers. You know what I mean? That's, that's what I'm here for alluvial oil, and it's fun toss. Speak to you. Don't know what next week 'cause arrangements going to be. When he MAC. Some lights a more. Try and get the interviews doing cage warriors, and then have it ready. Prepackaged for you ready to go. We'll see what the crack is, you know, me, we'll start something. Well. Lina beautiful host. And I hope you grow your mustache back. And I hope you don't kinder-. Kinder-. Middle east.

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