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Nat, Mike & the Egg & Spoon race in the NFC East

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Nat, Mike & the Egg & Spoon race in the NFC East

"Haizhu fantasy team might a wife and children ages. Everyone's bored by the stages you know anti that's enough out of you whiny Limi- that soccer occur not football and this powers. NFL fantasy running on just the six PM gains. It's only it gained week long no season-long boredom no excuse is and seven. Hundred and fifty pounds in prize is guaranteed. He's reached Patty power fantasy. Hake waiting love winning. Hypotheses rules apply must be able to hello and welcome to the show presented by paddy power. Fantasy good good to have you with us. This fine Wednesday on my costume troubled by shortly to get in to well his power rankings. Forward to that. We'll talk a little bit about Monday. Night football the return. Toby Manning What that means or the NFC east race the race that no one seems to want to win? We'll get into officiating as well unsurprisingly off that that Patriots Kansas the city gave me is my favorite subject. Let's face it so of course we're going to talk a bit about that. And indeed the latest control surrounding the New England Patriots Bill Betta check more of that shortly they just a shout out to all tall sponsors patty power fantasy appreciate all the support. This season not least listener league. The show they'd be together together for you to get involved with free to enter daily fantasy cash prizes to be won rolling on once again this weekend on a lot of you be one having replayed ready so good fun get involved. Fantasy don't Patti Powell dot com slash league would slash not showed pretty easy bet. Ozzy's trump my little bit later on in the show as well To talk through the college playoffs. They'd been sort of the heisman. Trophy gets announced this weekend. So who's going to win. That and indeed is the recipient lock and load for the number one overall draft. Pick all of that to be a little bit later on but we'll kick things off of course with Mike. I Mike how you doing. Well it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas at oblique cows here. In what way I guess let gotTa Get Sinatra Sinatra Vital Sinatra. Not Not not quite but Christmas tree did go up last night and unfortunately it's a little bit smaller than I thought it was. It looked nice so but then when I brought it home and and my problem is that I tend to accumulate ornaments because I try to get one. Every year I picked picked up this beautiful Vincent Van Gogh original Japanese. Yeah is original Christmas ornament at the Van Gogh Museum Amsterdam and so so that has pride of place this year. But I've got by my super bowl. One My bridgeport bluefish won the Boston extremist also brought up last year media. Yeah it put one up yesterday. It's not a very good photo. Golics in the boys did not push on a chance when he said I got the dimension the tree room I thought of spinal tap. Then start heading one of my favorite scenes. Look it up kids. If you're thinking you know if stonehenge were opened the way it was when I first I went there back in one thousand nine hundred seventy two or three. I was thinking of spending Christmas there. The HIPPIE era the HIPPIE era calls and we've got the Magnum State Trooper Copier of the early eighties with Tash. Every there's so much so much good stuff in the history book now Mike Carlson Awesome. Can you account for your whereabouts on Sunday around the Cleveland Ohio area. I A to have proxies who I can get to. My little micro maniacs are available for permitted many many small tasks but yeah. Isn't that great that the Browns who are are like more of these stories that keeps on giving unbelievable they really at the now. I know what you're talking about. We're we're we've got to go to the Cincinnati Sanada bengals. The browns are still. Of course you sit around Cleveland City maybe maybe meet Odell gotta go out for another drink. Talk things over again way to go into the bus. This whole spy gate to thing I think is is going to be a Let's recap the story for for the story is the Patriots were filming. Cincinnati Bengals While while they were playing which is from the camera from the press box which is illegal for a team to do they can only take you know video footage that's released via by broadcast or or or by the League class. Stein's their argument. Well that's what they're saying. It was quite aside now. The the the story is that according to Adam Schefter at least the Patriots were doing a feature for their own website on advance scouts so they had a camera crew with the advance scout who was in the Press Fox series. Do Your job and they follow. Different member of the organization round every weekend is easier informed on scout but but it was highly highly coincidental. Of course that they chose to do that particular episode of. It's really coincidental that they would choose to cover their advance scout when he was actually scouting the team. They're playing during the week before is kind of what had scouts do. And anyway they cleared it apparently with the bengals and the bengals with the browns. They played it the fact that Brown. Yeah and now the crazy thing is as I think why tha near pointed out duty really need. Do you really need to try to steal the bengals signals. When they're calling a fourth fourth and goal at the four quarterback draw for it? I mean you know if you were doing that you would just your guy would just break out laughing. It makes no sense from a cheating point of view. If you're assuming that they're cheers. Why would you you know this is the like the last game you would need to do? Do this. And I don't think it's a slam dunk win for the Patriots to be honest Against the bengals. But but you have the last year nevertheless asked this is not what what you're doing but because it's the Patriots and because you know every time every time something happens the day are the there's I I guess they're the Yankees the nineteen fifties Yankees and in the team that if they looked at the world loves to hate less state so with it. Mike do you think there is any fall out because it's a logical and you make some really good arguments as to why. Ns think the NFL office has already said that that penalties would be minimal. If at all so okay. Let's move on from that particular Patriot story to the one that in many respects Was a significant. On this weekend overshadowed of course by extrordinary game in the leans but the Patriots chiefs gave nevertheless was pretty compelling in the Patriots as we talked about on a Monday show with Nicky Ban Dini quite understandably mike feel a little bit rogue. Dude what went Donna. You had the Stefan Gilmore fumble return for the touchdown that was whistled too early. So it negated the Taking it to the house. And then you had even more visibly the killer Harry touchdown. That wasn't which left a lot of people. Baffle this to why the officials didn't just call the touchdown. Knowing any touchdown I don Cole has to get reviewed as opposed to calling him out of bounds when when he wasn't and those two coils. Either one but seventy both would've would've won the game for the Patriots so you would think so would put them in a position to win the game. At least by the Mcginn they would've exactly. So what do you make of those. Those two calls how they happened. What happened in I know? You vary very vocal passionate about the inconsistency and the lack of calibrate liberate officiating crews sunny tons of debt in in the. NFL said what gets done. What can get done about as we talk about it every single year and nothing's to improve? Yeah and what what happens every year Is that as the season winds down and the better games get flexed into prime time or the bigger audiences start. Start watching the best game available in the earlier slots there's more attention paid. If those calls have been made in the Bengals browns sounds game. There would have been a little bit of who but but not much but when you know it's like New Orleans and the rams last year it's when the audience is the biggest the mistakes sakes get amplified but having said that. The Patriots had one twenty-one Straight Games at home the last time they lost the referee was jerome. Boettger and Jerome. Boettger was the referee. AGAI- Eh. Now I'm not saying it's a conspiracy or anything like that but it is a coincidence coincidence not causation. But the weird thing thing is and the worst thing in both cases you nailed it on the Nikial hairy touchdown if if if the guy who spoke to make the call I'm whether or not he's inbound doesn't know the guy who is is there to make the call as to whether he's going into the end zone and thinks that he stepped out of bounds shouldn't make that call because he knows that if he calls touchdown it will be reviewed now he also knows the Patriots of used up their challenges so that it can't be reviewed which is why people are talking conspiracy and the part about using up your challenges. One was for a first down on spot. It was about a yard short which replay clearly showed but was not overturned when belichick challenged the second one was on that fumble. Not that it's a touchdown. Because the whistle did blow although it blew after Gilmore had picked the ball up not before and but the referees still did not even admit it was a fumble. It ruled down by contact so belichick had to challenge that simply to get possession of the ball on the fumble and that of course correct. Now the rule is if you if you challenge twice. And they're both correct. You get a third challenge but the rule really should be that. If you challenge correctly you keep that challenge Because obviously what we saw was one of these situations where there was nothing you could do even though the call was so obviously wrong on on the NGO Kerry touchdown. The same referee also experienced a momentary blindness on the blitz. If you remember that was a blitz on a on a Third down play before the field goal. And Tony Romo was saying they're coming everybody's he's coming. He's got to find the right receiver and get it out quickly. which he did to Philip door set? The only problem was that fuller had door said in a bear. Hug Literally pinning both his arms against his body as the ball when passed and the same official the the Down judge on the sidelines was sitting there watching it and signaled incomplete and then what really irks me is fuller was doing this. No no you can't do that. The and that's that that to me was the worst call of the game but since the NFL this season during the season his put out a referee's leases Bizerte. You don't blow. Fumbles dead when the when the balls being picked up and recovered. You can't understand why they would blow it dead at that point. I guess no sense whatsoever. It's a really fat point and I suppose with both of them the Harry and that one the I guess the defense for the reason Nichols happen. Was that these are human beings and the the moment it's sometimes you've ever looked at hume. The officials abso- auto mated machines the AB no sense of emotion in the heat of the experience. They are particularly not wildly experienced in the heat of the moment. When you've got eighty thousand pounds screaming and it's crunch time and there was this action speed that happens and all of that throw in? Maybe he didn't think he's in kills Harry Foot touch the white. Maybe well he did oh for sure he did what he thought. He was checking on it so if he thinks he saw it. And he's checking the guy who's call it is and the guy was called is so I didn't see it uh-huh because I think they didn't want to make a decision is what it comes down to then. He should really revert to that school. It really revert to what he knows will be uh-huh will fail safe. Yeah Yeah just like they micromanage the officials so much that it's impossible. It's impossible that they did not realize that when the ball comes out you know let it play out and then review it. If it's a fumble that I I just wonder whether it in the cold light of day that logical thing but you know in the emotion and the instinct and a kitchen and that's why they're referee. There's supposed to be why they refuse. That price is a fair a fair argument. Let's just move on quickly on another thing on officiating. When ask you about before we we roll Ford to some other subjects in terms of the big big change and one of the big changes anyway going into the season post the NFC championship Game Nas enabling positive not given to be challenged now already got starts through week twelve here? And this is the New York Times article so but I'd imagine the trend hasn't changed dramatically in the last couple of weeks. A fifteen of of seventy seven reviews a positive overtime right but as the article points out half of those rebuttals Off Seven of the fifty were initiated did by officials in the replay booth responsible the challenges in the last two minutes of the half right so is being pretty much all season long Mike one of the main narratives here in relation nation to officiating. The this grand rule the Broda in for all the right reasons off to the saints rubbed in the championship game just isn't working so with a whole whole lot of fanfare but actually the application of it is is just bunk in A. Nobody's buying it absolutely. And and that occurred in the jets. Dolphins offense game because the play that set the jets up for the winning field goal was overturned in New York. The ruling was overturned. That's right yeah and deem pass interference and and the problem is not review per se. The problem is nobody knows what pass interference is or isn't there was a play the in the Baltimore in the Baltimore Buffalo Game where Cole Beasley was running. Deep with Marlin Humphries who before fuller alert came along with my my candidate for the Steve Nelson flag waiting to be thrown award from the he's chasing Beasley. He's right behind him and A.. And Josh Allen Unleashes Josh Allen Pass which which is going ten or fifteen yards over Beazley's head and Humphry not cannot sort of like content with that gives Beasley makes a little contact with Beazley's back and Beasley. Did a soccer move Eh. He basically he basically fell like messy on a breakaway and drew the pass interference flag and name the best thing I would taste. Yeah and you know so. I was sitting thinking challenge that because it wasn't a catchable ball so so even if he did hit him and even if you thought you know there's no pass interference if the guy could not possibly have got to the ball but they but they didn't challenge it and that stood up the problem miss the re the rule used to be that when the balls in the air. You can't touch the receiver the Pereira the Pereira is a is now that you can't gain a significant advantage by contacting the receiver and as we've seen repeatedly and I make the point point repeatedly the receiver has to catch the ball. The defender only has to stop him from getting the ball which means he doesn't have to worry about catching the ball. And if you try to catch the ball with somebody pulling one of your arms back. That's a significant advantage if somebody pushes you just as you're about to catch it that's a significant advantage if if like Kendall Fuller did you grab both his arms. That's a significant advantage. And sometimes they see it and sometimes they don't you know and and then you hear them saying Over there just two guys face guarding will. They're not supposed to if you're trying to catch the ball if you're running a pattern and you have to catch the ball. You can't be face guarding you. Can't be hand end fighting. Yeah that's just two guys hand fighting if your hand fighting how do you. How do you get in position to be where you're supposed to be to catch the ball? The whole rule is ridiculous fearless. It's kind of like the NBA. I keep saying yeah no harm no foul except in the NBA. If you hit the guy shooting hand you're going to get you're going to get a foul cau- aw while he's got while he's got the ball. It's clearly not yet and smart coaches like Pete Carroll who originally was a defensive. It's a back coach and I think he's sort of set the pace for everybody teach their guys to follow to stay within contact. Which is why guys like Richard Sherman? Chairman are so good because although they're not quick or as quick as some of the others. He's he's long. He's got long arms legs he can run with a guy and keep within reach and when he sees on you see the receivers is or his hands. Go Up to make a play you then get your hand in between them. Whatever ever and usually what happens is you get your hand on his hand you get your hand on his chest you might even get your hand on his face and it makes it hard for him to catch the ball but that is basically basically the way the pass defenses played in man coverage nowadays by by most teams especially by the outside corners? And you know if you think back to the years. When face guarding was against the rules in other words you could not wave your hands in front of the guys is if you weren't playing the ball and you know we we see so many completions as well because guys don't know where the ball is? Receiver does so you know a great strategy when you need a first down or a big play play is to send your receiver one on one downfield and under throw him short and the receiver comes back for the ball and the defender who doesn't has no idea where the ball is has has to basically follow him Yeah and I mean the ravens lived on that for years with Joe flacco Torrey Smith. They they were good any Ki Ki game. They were good for a flag there. So you know Mike Lombardi. I listened to the other day. And he he sort of blames Al Riverine you know Who He calls Rip Van Winkle and owls only woke up he says in the last couple of weeks but I but I think it's? It's basically more. It's it's deeper than that. It's it's that the way the rules are written. It's completely subjective. Call and you can't you know there's the benefit of the doubt is automatically in favor of the defender because as I said the defender only has to do a little bit you know holding is similar is a similar problem in that you you know unless you really wrestle guy to the ground or get your hand around his neck or head you don't see many holds call the money do see them. They're often really what you would have after say. Minor tenue isolation's given given how major violations that don't get called are it is. It is particularly justified align on this we'll role on as you say Mike. It is a brilliant described. How it favors the defensive back more often than not but at the same time one of the more maddening things a modern? NFL is the number of flags of the throat. And the and the the fractious nature of games as a result of that. And you understand why that that is the case sped it just adds to the I guess the general sense of confusion and as you've always said the inconsistency that is Father in the League at the moment with it. Let's move on to quit on the NFC east race. If I may just because I I was here are some race defined rice potatoes. This potato and spoon race grace at a at a kid schools young has to win. Apparently although where are you on that do you think a team that irrespective irrespective of whether they won the division or not as opposed to winning record they should be allowed in the playoffs. Doesn't really bother me. It's the way it is. And you know divisions visions divisions could produce not so great records because three teams really good as much as four teams being really bad. So I'm okay with it okay. which with Eagles win on Monday night? Football against the giants the return of Eli. Of course you look like good Eli of the past and the first off and then could be disappeared along with the rest of the giants offense. Yeah there was a great play where he fumbled the snap down in the down in the red area like about six yard line and I thought Daniel Title Jones could do that. Yeah right well. He likes Swansong caused the Jones injury. And it was someone made this point and I've just unconsciously launched the plagiarized it pays but it was almost a perfect because his career wasn't at this game shop and promising eight. One of those one of those passes was like Mario Manningham Pass He. He dropped it in. Yeah Slayton is should some notice you know so Fifth Round Rookie. But yeah. He dropped it in over the shoulder. Just perfectly but then you had the You also had that great flea flicker where Barkley turns around. And there's like two eagles between him and manning patsy throws and he tosses the poor pack demanding and almost literally like a volleyball player. Just pushed you take. It was four hundred degrees Fahrenheit. Quick lied on who you think he's likely to Eke out the division to win these. I'm still going with Dallas. I guess there are more talented team right now. Lane Johnson I. I don't know what his situation is going to be. But he's heard Jeffrey I think is out for the season and went went says like Brady. It's like when says trust in any of his receivers accent hurts. You can't keep going to urge all the time you know. It's it's one of those where it any way you look at it you lose you know But I I suspect. I suspect the cowboys are GONNA be able to to win. Let me think let me just just look quickly now. Philadelphia's at Washington so they should win that then Dallas at Philadelphia. which normally you would say that gives the Eagles in advantage? But they haven't been great at at home we saw on Monday. And then Philadelphia's at the giant so the eagles should pick up two wins right there whereas Dallas has the rams and then finishes with Washington so really the key game in this Dallas and the rams the eagles could go in a game mm-hmm ahead of Dallas this week and then if they beat the cowboys the season series is even and they've won it so you know watch watch the Rams. That's that's that's that's the key in this. I'm already talking against myself here as you have to do. So the so the Easter ahead. None of those teams I think next part of the show and Mike's iron ranking so you this is your top ten power just before we leave the eagles you know what they need. Is John Dornbos back. The long snapper right okay. Tell US gotta before Monday night football he was on with ESPN. He did a magic trick with with Randy Moss where he gave a card to Randy. Moss Randy Moss puts it back in the deck and then he said he froze the cars in the air and Randy Moss catches one one card and he says that the card you put in the deck. He's very says no and so he starts looking for the card. And there's a football in front of Randy Moss and takes the football takes out a knife and cuts the the football open and pulls Randy Moss's card out of the football while Moss when Krazy it was great and I think I know how he did. I mean I know I know how he did it but I said that's what they we need. Eagles need a magician of the Buddhist appears in the end zone out after the bullets stopped. I love it all right to John. Rankings he's did he's a your power top ten in the NFL right now. IFC NFC doesn't matter where you are in that division as so therefore seating slutty the put to one side you're the best teams in the League right now based on on Mike Okay top ten. It's sort of like the group the gang of four which is really the gang of three plus one but it's gang afford from seven to ten is Tennessee Minnesota Green Bay and the rams so the rams being in ten. The rams being seven resnick seven but I mean like I say Green Bay and the rams were probably seven eight. You know are probably a tie for seven Minnesota Soda just behind them in Tennessee would be ten. Then you've got Kansas City Seattle in New England. Right now I would say new England when six Seattle Five Kansas City for and the thing with the Patriots. Is there not a very good team and they. I need everything to go right. If they're gonNA beat anybody who is good. They haven't won a game where the opposition has scored more than fourteen points. And they're very good at keeping they they held the the chiefs to three points. The second half of that you know. And if they hadn't had a field goal blocked it would have been better and that's the kind of play. The Patriots don't usually surrender. They you know they block upon they got a touchdown out of that. But you know everything has to go right for them in order to win they. He's out for the season right now for the seasons like we three or four as being but he's out for the season that and that's what the huge do that's one of the huge differences assist almost more so than receivers you you saw. They tried to go run at the beginning of that game against Kansas City without much success. They they don't have gronk they don't have Trent Trent Brown and they don't have deadline so when you were running behind those three guys which is what Sony Michelle is kind of like a follow the fullback kinda runner that was devastating. But Isaiah wins not a bad one block or Tony's not a bad run blocker they've got her linebacker playing fullback uh-huh and they can't dominate. The way they did and win really had a tough time with frank. Clark Game Pass Blocking and Karras the center WHO's replaced Josh Andrews. WHO's out for the season Carris? Just doesn't have the the ball to be able to hold off good interior. rushers were or move them out of the way which Andrews although he's also a finesse blocker can do that so you know the the Patriots. You can't write them off because you know they can always prepare for a game and play really well. But but they don't have the talent of the chiefs of the seahawks. The top three teams are pretty quick before you get to the top three on the seahawks Rashad pennies injury as is always the way when a plane goes down. It's it's going to weaken them but how significantly with this particular offensive makeup. It's a bit I mean. They need they want to run the ball. Aw and giving carson rest was you know was a real positive thing for them. Because they're when they Tennessee. The Vikings are kind of the same team in a sense that they all need to run the ball and can control it To make their game plan work. Oakland is a similar team when Tennessee was playing Oakland it was like it was like watching the same team on both sides. The ball except Oakland didn't have Josh Jacobs and they've never tannahill running the car so I think that makes a big difference for Seattle. If they can't control the ball really rely on Russell Wilson making plays you know decay. Metcalfe's Metcalfe's GonNa make plays lock. It's GonNa make plays Josh. Gordon really doesn't look like he is going to make plays but They're always dangerous for that reason. They're not as good defensively as we think they are. You know because they're Seattle kind of give them an extra extra bonus. Yeah for sure for sure. But they're Kansas City. They played pretty. I mean spagnolo alone knows what to do against Brady. Bring pressure up the middle and a lot of other teams will will try to do that but they needed a few breaks in terms of coverage. which because when you do that you need your corners have to be able to man cover and the Patriots make that easy because they don't ever receiver that you you can't man cover? They Doubles Edelman for most of the game and Brady had no one else to really go to with any consistency and as I said the biggest non-core that game game was the one when Kendall on Kendall Fuller because Kendall Fuller can't man cover a receiver not even Philip Dorset. Who's not talk that the the top three and I don't know how you order them because they played each other right New Orleans Baltimore San Francisco? I like with San Francisco Cisco did on the road so I put them at number one with Baltimore to in New Orleans three but really when you look at those games the San Francisco Baltimore the The San Francisco New Orleans game. They could have gone either way. Those who three those are three really solid teams on both sides of the ball I think the saints aints are not as good offensively or defensively. I thought they were at the start of the season but just put up forty whatever points they keep into the NFL. Yeah they still they still oh can can produce in breeze who I thought was not looking as good as he had at. The start of the season. Still doesn't seem to have this much zip zip on the ball but he was certainly putting the ball where it needed to be. I mean it was a masterclass in inaccurate assing They do rely a lot on Michael. Thomas San San Francisco's stop them from running the ball which is a real key for them Because they work so much off play action the niners the niners can do it in in any number of different ways with about that might because keeping your perspective on this on the one hand people are celebrating and rightly so the inevitable. Taber imaginative play calling. Shana diabetes boxer tricks and finding different ways to beat the saints. Is that something that a game right so it makes a lot of sense that that was the game plan. But is there an element of that that you think Shanahan is GonNa look at the typical offense and be concerned that he had to revert to those kind of places to get the job done against. Okay it's a solid newly defense but it's maybe not one of the best defense fences in the NFL. They've got the they got a good front and they've got some great defensive backs show including more but you know what Shanahan hand's doing is what Atlanta did when he was offensive coordinator and they went to the Super Bowl and had a twenty eight to three lead over the Patriots. He he attacks you on different levels. He's really good at creating openings for people he's got a great tight end who to run that middle level like Kelsey does as for the chiefs like Earth does for the eagles. They use him very well with Emmanuel Sanders and with deebo Samuel sort of coming into his own he now how has receivers. Who can who can fill those other levels sanders is you know if the Patriots had picked up sanders and I I think I think that when he went on the market elway was no way he was going to give sanders to the Patriots Regardless of what the price was but they got him for a second and third which is a pretty a good deal. He gives them so much more flexibility in what they do and if they have all three of their running backs in place Mostert who I used to do when he was at purdue and he couldn't do a lot because produce line was always being overpowered by the ten teams but he returned into kicks and stuff. He's he's a very explosive back with really good running skills And you know yeah they ran the trick play with Sanders Tomasz but you know there. There was monster wide open but with Brita and Mostert and Tavern Coleman barely played against the saints but had you know had a pretty good game the week before I just think he's got so many options and he's gotTa fullback who he can use does use it in various ways note on since his pancake. Just bounce straight it up for Dick yes. Yeah and really the only difference is how good is Jimmy Garoppolo you know. How far is Jimmy Garoppolo going to take because when you look at what they do Garoppolos not making the kind of big play throws that you might want if you're going to go all the way you know the the kind of breeze? So he's there more yards after the catch kind of thing which is the way his offense designed to work so he if he hits kiddle in stride if he hits Sanders Sanders in stride They're going to pick up yards after the catch but he's not he doesn't drop in the bombs very very often The Way Mahomes might or or breeze might they were Wilson will And that's really the the major difference Baltimore's a thing unto themselves right. 'cause they're running an offense that nobody else can run Based on the March action. So they're going to go pretty much as far as that takes them but since they got marcus. Peters and Jimmy Smith is back there so deep in secondary it's hard to make plays against them because that secondary that secondary does very well. With his mess Sean is blitz standing there blitz thirty times I was reading leading the and they sacked him. I think six more importantly they kept him in the pocket and he was outside of the start that he was owed eleven outside of the pocket yes when he did get out. He was so hurried and just couldn't get any any one downfield throw fifteen yards or more just and he only ran twice and I think it was nine yards. He picked up and so that was pretty much. You Know Buffalo's defense against them was very very good and I think a lot of teams will be looking but but part of that. What is you have to have the way they did it? You have to have a safety who can sit and read and make and make the plays plays And or or a linebacker they did it with Tremaine Edmonds But I was thinking I was thinking of the steelers using mink Fitzpatrick Patrick say in a in a similar kind of role last week You basically had him waiting to see where the play was going and then trying to crash the play at at an angle and it worked pretty. Well they were able to run run that kind of power Pistol power whatever. You WanNa call it kind of kind of attack that makes some work dive into the back Mike at the NC show facebook instagram. Twitter is how you get in touch with the show. Firemen Weeklong incidentally gang and it doesn't have to be the day. Okay okay record or day before the show we will will save them up the goodies. A wheel them out For the big man. So let's go first with Colin. Thanks this call it. He says there's often at cla going to have to leave the charges to be the number one running back. That's a good question. I don't think he's going to be a number one running running back in most of the places he goes to Austin. Cler is you know going to be like Alvin. Kamara or Kareem Hunt. He's he's GonNa be like Matt Brita guys who you know are sort of like his skill set and he's more. They're more effective. If they're sharing the load with another with another runner usually a guy who's a power runner like Ingram more latavius Murray. Or whatever so I think I think he's a good situation right now Because you don't want to be giving him lots and lots of touches you wanna be using him creatively and he had just a brilliant game against Jacksonville who basically I mean. Shoot them now. They're dead I I was. I pick them to win that game. I don't I'm not quite sure why. But they were just horrible Defensively they weren't tackling. They they were playing a team whose whose hearts were yeah. I was just reading the question. I won't be be the charges number one running back if he has to leave. So there's other brilliant question from call it on an existential level or I think to be on the back of the it's like that inter that means that went around yesterday with this big garbage dump dumpster inside a building and stenciled on the dumpster was empty windfall. He's v Mike. If there was a most achieved with the least talent award he would win. He teamer individual well He. This is Richard. Ah Suggests Brian Flora's Hasha quite like Oh allocation and we did ask the most chief with talent so coach. I'm guessing most achieve at least talent as a coach race. No one noticed his bill. This bill belichick right the team. That team has not attended three team on paper. I mean yes they. They've played an easy schedule. But so Hammy you know. They're playing the same. Basically the the same schedule show has as Miami but yeah most most least achieve with the most talented is presumed me. Jason Garrett I guess yeah I think that's kind of automatic attic. Doug Peterson Scott to be in that race. And some people might jump and say Pittsburgh but Pittsburgh's a lot of talent allen on that team especially on defense And you know yeah. They're they're running back situations mess but outlaws. Well that's not bad. Shut my children but yeah floor is that he's going to be out there. I mean Tomlin's going to get a lot of coach of the year votes but variable. What about McDermott? Tennessee's McDermott's could showers. There is a lot of talent on that team. Much offensively not so much. But they've built it the way they want to build it. Yeah term McDermott's McDermott's have very good shout. Tennessee is a talented team. You know when they're healthy on the offensive line. If it of Corey Davis Davis would ever come back and play like like the guy who's supposed to be Corey Davis. There are good defensive teams that they're solid on both sides but but I think you know brambles a nice job of sort of sticking sticking to things with them and you know they've got two games with Houston in the next three weeks which which will be great. Because that's gonNA decide the division. Mike I if our listeners WANNA get more of your stylings patron dot com slash Mike. Carlson F. M. T. e.. Push that link out on our social channels as well. You'll picks for where we fifteen tell you. I'll tell you what my looked at the. Nfl Kit wash site and the number one. The in that standings is not a person but accu score which is one of the computer programs picked one hundred and thirty nine correctly and guess how many iron Mike is picked correctly. One three eight one three nine. I love this accu. Score would be leading the nation attention all the pundits who s all the guys. ESPN all the guys in NFL network. You know they're all behind the inaccurate score you are espn and oh my friend. Incidentally what we should do if we get to week seventeen and you and accu skull still neck and neck we should have special training and stuff called ACURA. Be Listening to this. The oversee presumably. Listen to any podcast that is released because he can just simple say. Two to five thousand showed a gated edge. But you've is actually score beaver. Society makes a live show a bit like the Lebron James Decision game by game. You'll picky that yet to stay you and accu scored about this giant giant computer live on a TV show. We go to the absolute all. I was prepared to do a top five on on the the best announcing pairs which somebody I think asked for elapsed wheel that yeah but since since you trumped me by giving me a top ten off my head. Yeah if you guys listening sending your your picks for the best announcing pairs are and we'll see how they match up against my next week. All right lovely stuff. Yeah fathers it at the show will will get into it next year. That's the Promo Code at Christmas special coming soon as well On. ESPN HP for that one. I think yeah yeah Christmas. This was jumper sorted. Oh I got my Christmas hat for it Calcutta K.. Or words that trump Christmas jumpers. Well Mike I think we iron Mike don't do Christmas. Christmas jumpers sickest Christmas as well. I could clarify my bill belichick. Let's party Swedish sweatshirt. Oh definitely where that please weather ah loach or Mike was advocate time. Find what I'm Mike Mike. He'll be back next week with his top five. He was annoyed that we didn't wait out the top five given the fact he'd a what heavily on that but I'll tell you what as he said we'll far it out on on the social media channels at the NC show Put Yours justice for your favorite Brokaw studio time. We will discuss them on next week. Show see if they aligned with our mics thinking as well a big shoutout to touchdown trips. If you think it scratching your head about Christmas presents for nearest and dearest. WE'RE GONNA TOUCHDOWN TRICKS DOT COM slash gift. Hyphen vouches TRIPS DOT COM. You'll get thought she's tab on their The full euro for Gosh gift vouchers Easy peasy really stocking filler. Perfection is GonNa say that a gift vouchers that touchdown trips organize all kinds of traveled to the states the NFL Games College Games. High School Games outside of the NFL. As well if you love in your American sports data Goto guys but that to what's not to love about that A burst your credits. In Christmas credits. With some touchdown trips her as he's I've been listening to this is jumping the his bit because that he can get me speak for them I. I'm pretty sure everybody insurance getting me. A president right. That's I'd that's good. That could get quite awkward right into the College Chat Heisman. We've done Isaacs what's going on. I'm just enjoying college. Football season and again excited about bowl season over his. Everyone else calls it Christmas but how was javits it. We came for every single game. I watched I certainly wash far too much and I'm still suffering because of it but it was all it was all worth it. You know you. I WanNa see the champions and you want to know exactly who deserves to be in the playoffs and know what you're getting when the playoffs the playoffs sort of course And as we work together on radio on Sunday and rolled in and they just been announced officially announced but I really surprised and he said no not really based on what happened over the weekend. Yeah it seemed. It seemed pretty clear cut. Once once Oregon at beaten Utah that took Oregon and Utah both both out of it. They finished finished eleven and two. They were not going to put Oregon a two loss conference champion in the playoff. They were done. It was then a matter of whether Georgia could do something against against Lsu and who would win out of Baylor and Oklahoma and Lsu. Just destroy Georgia. Thirty seven. Ten wasn't close. That's Georgia out of it and it came down to Baylor and Oklahoma and and I did say this was. This was going to be the game of the week and it was the game of the week it went to overtime Oklahoma one thirty twenty three. I'm not slotted them in at number four because Clemson won uncomfortably Ohio state won comfortably. So we've got three unbeaten conference champions plus one loss Oklahoma now the decision the plant may have to make was. WHO's GONNA GONNA be number one because going into the weekend? It was Ohio states. But I think most people would agree that Lsu. Look the best on Saturday beating really good Georgia team so Lsu got the number one Xavien Ohio state then Clemson then Oklahoma and you really this. You really want to be number one because you don't WanNa have to play one of those three unbeaten teams so Lsu of certainly got easy task. Ask Facing Oklahoma. And don't get me wrong. This Oklahoma team is really good but they are certainly not in the class of Clemson on Ohio. State that Clemson Ohio state game. We'll be absolutely unreal. This may be the best four team playoff field we've ever had. But it looks weird because there's no Alabama in the first. There's ever been a playoff without Alabama right there. You go the championship game on January the thirteenth of course so All to play for just to quit line on the bowl season for the uninitiated some NFL fans listening to the show. Hopefully of got on college train. This season significant as a your rainbow unbolt entirely because we were so happy. You haven't got to this stage of proceedings before have a loose understanding of what's going on. Oh but tokens through it for the uninitiated so the the bowl games will take place around Christmas and New Year the first one actually this year is on the twentieth of December and they go through and fill the sixth of January. I made peak around New Year's day biggest ones around New Year and back in the old days you only had a handful of bowl games and they were partly created to fuel tourism. It was to get fans from the Mid West and the East East Coast out to California and out to the south where it would be halts and they'd have a little bit of a holiday and they would spend money and it would be a great reward award for the players and it would be acquired. Achievement came to a bowl game now. It's less than achievement. Because there's so many games and because you know you've got to have wing records kinda qualify defy so now there's absolutely loads and sometimes you get people saying this too many. I don't understand that argument. They can never be too many any. I thought you don't have to watch it if you don't want to. But if you love the game then the fact that you've got a game or sometimes two or three. Every single day over the Christmas Christmas period is fantastic. Man I all going away at Christmas and I'll make sure that I've got like a streaming stick that I can stick into my Sticking to to my TV or chrome cost so that I can get. ESPN play on there. So I can watch a Christmas even always saw stuff so you know these gains Friday the twentieth the the twenty the twenty four. Th that always seems to be a game in Hawaii on Christmas Eve really should be exactly exactly. Make sure we go out to that next year all. Espn make you happen with live broadcast from Honolulu on Chrissy. It'll be the top rated downloaded podcast the ESPN is ever put out. I guarantee it. I laughed about it but we cannot get told me I mean as as these Games loom into view the the big games then obviously will have the opportunity to discuss them. But the like I say the biggest ones around around a New Year will include the playoff semifinals as well as the traditional ball games and wanting to remember that getting to Melancholic College. Is that for. Those teams. Haven't made a ballgame still in the playoffs. The thorold is players in those teams in that final. Yeah that could be the last game of football as replayed right. Yeah it's some. It's quite an emotional thing for them. And it's it's it's a big deal for these these kids who are who are traveling and they'll go to places they a have another chance to play before because if you if you play for a small team in say the Mid West you don't necessarily get the chance to play in Florida or in California But what we're finding with a lot of the bowl games now. Sometimes the people who are projected to go at the at the top of the draft they assigned to skip games. You and it happens less in the big in the big bowl games. The rose bowl in the orange bowl and so on but in small one. Sometimes a play will think. I'M NOT GONNA risk this but when it comes to those playoff games the intensity in the College Football playoff or risk of injury because of the NFL draft here. Yeah Yeah because they'll feel that it would be nice to win the camping World Bowl for example which which is in Orlando. That's a nice little trip. And that's Notre Dame versus the Versus Iowa state in case. You're wondering you don't necessarily want to risk. Just you can lift the camping world bowl trophy. You don't WanNa risk of a fractured leg and tumbledown tumbledown the drops. I just WanNa say if you are thinking playoffs those up both the Knights of the Twenty Eighth of December Saturday twenty eighth of December Oklahoma versus Lsu Is it nine. PM That's from Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta and then one am am straight afterwards. Clemson Roseau high state in that State Farm Stadium home of the Arizona Cardinals. Lovely stuff just on the heisman race Obviously given to as injury that takes him out of it. So who is the smart money on this. Well I would say there's no smart money because it is such a foregone conclusion in the same way that it felt like when we went into the college football selection announcement we knew who the four would be. The only argument was which want to be one and two two. We know that this is going to be Joe Borough. The only question is whether whether he managed to accumulate more votes or a big victory than anyone else in history he is of that fall head in the minds of the voters. jalen hurts in the mix right jail. Jalen Hurd the only four people have been invited. I to Jalen hurts the quarterback of Oklahoma who transferred from Alabama Justin feels the quarterback of Ohio states. Who transferred from Georgia? Chase Young. The Defensive Defensive End from Ohio state is probably most talented player in the country. Right now and Joe Borough who transferred from Ohio slate. The transferred put A. It's all the quarterbacks all of cortex transfer quarterbacks and this is something that we are going to see a lot. More of this is now starting to become a big thing quarterback who who isn't getting playing time or fail they're not going to get past the incumbents it's much easier for them to transfer now and they all they all all those plays moved on because there was a player ahead of them that they didn't use to happen before is it is it because a lot of NFL teams would still drop the player even if they hadn't. I'm trying to think of Exalt Sanchez. Had when he was the star at. USC added one season. Didn't he yeah. He was just sitting because they had a real production line. No reason it happens more now. Always the the rules of being laxed. It used to be. You had to get your permission from more for more people and you'd have to sit out a year and you would lose your of of eligibility now. They have what they call the transfer portal and it's it's like an online portal. You enter the transposal supportable and you kind of have your pick of teens. It's great for players. I love this idea of transport contemplate. Yeah Yeah and we'll get into that up. Yeah you're like oh I got. I'm a yeah so yeah it's it's great for these. For these quarterbacks Joe Burrow he desperately wanted to be a stalwart Ohio state. He's from Ohio. He loved it there and the thing is the Ohio state fans still love Joe Burrow because he played it off out. He just couldn't get past Dwayne Haskins now in Washington so he just left and Lsu always seem to the reason they would never seem to be able to get past Alabama. They didn't have a quarterback who could make enough place and Joe Joe. Borough had a very pedestrian season last year. He threw sixteen touchdowns in thirteen games. Sixteen touchdowns and five interceptions this year forty eight touchdowns and six interceptions. His completion percentage seventy seven point nine. Now that could go up or down during the playoffs. And he'll hope he's got two more games to play. But if it stays at seventy seven point nine that will be the highest completion percentage in college football history now. Jonesboro is not the best quarterback I've ever seen. I'm not saying that to be like he's average. I've seen better quarterbacks but this season statistically typically is as good as any season that college football quarterback has ever had. He will walk the Heisman and I would be amazed if he doesn't. Let's get picked with a number one overall pick. I think he would have to have a pretty disastrous playoff and then not look good on his pro day if if he just kind of stands pats to where as in does what he's been doing then I think you'll be the number one pick. He will win the heisman. He's going to earn a lot of money. And maybe he's going to be back home in Ohio Ohio after all with the Cincinnati bengals looks that way over the probably beat the Patriots this weekend to go to three grade or woody streak blow that as well well with all that video I mean you know so if if anyone can sit through video of bengals games than wins and Mike has ruled himself out of the frame frame for being in Ohio last week involved that patriots filming crew. That's what he says. No I'm not sure I believe in Stuff at tweets for Ben if you want to follow on twitter for all all college more of course enjoy this weekend and we were in the heisman on Saturday right so that Saturday night so joy that we will check your next week. Thank you speaking speaking from band. He'll be back next week. So we'll I mike. Of course I wasn't lying. There is going to be a Christmas in special with me. 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Nat, Mike & Desert Island Quarterbacks

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Nat, Mike & Desert Island Quarterbacks

"Sunday evening checklist meal prep done clothes laid out and your fantasy. NFL team picked for party power fantasies massive three million pound price pot fantasy game first place wins a million pounds and because party power fantasy games last only as long as the game week we'll have a winner by Monday you could pay someone to lay out your clothes on Sundays hello and welcome to Q.. Show presented by Paddy Power Fantasy Good Mike what's occurring well I can't talk long because I've got a couple of phone calls from landover Maryland on the other on the other line it could take on a desert island say an hour game footage of five quarterbacks to I've seen not necessarily in the flesh but I watched I was a kid besides looking forward to getting stuck in just a quick housekeeping follow us on Social Media at NC show facebook instagram twitter pushing unbeaten forty niners bit of Mvp chat as well Michael Tell us what makes a great quarterback with the mail bag as well plenty more more concerned with being able to take all the blame if things go badly knock it any credit if things go well and I said well I thought that when without ban to four episodes weeks or if you're new to the show listening to us for the very first time don't forget to subscribe on which Po Catcher you catching us on men I think were discussing a possible job with a certain organization was named in how to do it very cheaply took the MVP race as well Seeing as quarterbacks older age backup quarterbacks specifically we break down those differences quarterbacks trying to bye bye audio producer on that one I might because you your top five all time great quarterbacks and I thought I'M GONNA put down my five desert island quarterback so what makes a great quarterback and that was segue fluently into on Mike top five slash six slash seven of the week which is I'm Mike Talk Five quarterbacks ever and I've got so you won't miss a trick right then let's get this show while entry on the road and check in with Mike kind of his arrival game in the in the NFL although having said that the offensive line for Cleveland especially the tackles is particularly weak cooling Mount Baker Baker come on make it competitive and having a lot of fun of the expensive fairly gregarious and confident Baker Mayfield sex about all week low voltage video goes out on Friday as well as it does on ESPN UK Channel Ben Isaacs in the studio on Fridays an extra bit of college chat with it's quite possible with Freddie Kitchens Rutgers show yeah I mean and they were they were they did not play badly at times they just could not string anything together and and we talked a little bit about when we were at Spurs for the game about the seeming seemingly the bears coming out a bit flat the browns managed to do what they could not to get themselves back in and what I'm thinking of in particular is a really bad performance Baker Mayfield Riled Bosa at the Ohio state connection met and nick price it didn't hold back at his post-match media comments saying we would just unsafest getting it done Mike Yeah it was more he actually did it during the game because when when Oklahoma Played Ohio state the Mayfield had this big avoid the word elites up but what's the difference between a great quarterback quarterback is so so backup at the mechanics in the makeup of Ohio Oklahoma flag that's right took out in the middle of field and then you know did did the kind of jumping on the Ohio state logo so when Bosa sacks up by Antonio Calloway who although having said that the commentators and he he shall go nameless on that place at a perfect pass did he sort of mimicked waving that flag and doing the dance and all that so it was a moment of some satisfaction for Bosa from brave Baker Mayfield just a little behind him in low and then which it was but but there was another pass in the end zone where Calloway may they just weren't able to put anything else together because whether it's Mayfield is receivers aren't on the same page with receivers aren't paying attention to what's supposed to be going on China's have had their best to a season since nineteen ninety going unbeaten the defense just bringing it to to Baker Mayfield quite literally did you see mike loss to get into a today we're GONNA we're GonNa talk a bit of Patriots surprisingly give the fact they are on an absolute we haven't paid much lip-service to the champs and I think it was forty four hundred fifty yards to one hundred eighty more or less you kind of expect to lose the time on this one was in the in the first half Cleveland came out so flat you would've thought they'd taken like a reverse red eye to get out there to to to San Fran was I noted it down thirty seven forty three to twenty two seventeen which is generally indication of a of a bad loss. Although having said that I five favorite quarterbacks they're going to be the best but my favorite so I could just watch footage you get it against them throw that back at a little bit later Ogden pretty big desert island the premium if if he made the catch and so what are the reasons for that Mike Ali our producer said to me before the end of all Bosa in the locker room afterwards great comments from Him who of course is going to be the history with Baker they go back to it goes back to the college days when you can see it on on the very first run of the game their very first offensive play with Matt Brita goes eight eighty three yards Bolivia Vernon has a good let's get have silently you know and then you know Manual Moseley made a great play to tip a touchdown away from him in the end zone and Odell Beckham Sherman was making a meal of this before that happened during during the week and conducting the NFL on social media. I know everybody loves to to hype it up and get all shotted in just stands there and doesn't take it and then the Mary Randall was the safety takes an incredibly silly angle you know basically let's run past him and then tries to chase him and could what about it but realistically that's that's not the way that the way that things play out I mean maybe Mayfield is does wind up his opposition more than most other places was better as a passer than a receiver he had he had a terrible dropping you know and I thought I thought Nick Chubb was was doing what Nick Chub can do works and and this is what we understand as opposed to what's going on football which we don't necessarily understand catch you take that eighty three yard run out of the game and then you take away a couple of other places and it's a completely different game but have you with us in a jam packed show coming your way we'll check in with Mike Carlson of Barry sued and a lot to be getting into with the Big Mama the backup Monday night football and those dynamic between Mayfield receivers and kitchens and his offense we're we're not we're not sure yet of where where that stands remember. The time of possession was almost the same Indianapolis Kansas City game which was sixteen thirteen nineteen to thirteen it lots of things on is he compares with very very closely and reason his second year got benched for Doug Flutie was at that point forty one years old and then they drafted Philip rivers. Tom And let breeze go year later you know and and so in that case quarterbacking which we're going to discuss is is off the season that he'd better than say get into that with Mike Walkout is current incarnation of the pats looks like and how it's built because there are some interesting things I think Mike has to say about that show next week plug that and they were saying how disrespectful me feel was even the star of the game he wasn't gonNA shake the captain's hands he was just being difficult we'll talk about some more the the idea of bringing offensive guru head coaches in with no head coaching experience only a second year quarterback and Bill Barnwell made a really good point comparing Mayfield second year with drew brees his second year and breeze being someone who at least statuette field through which was calloway and callaway made a kind of a half-hearted one handed effort to go up for it because he was looking at the safety who is about to smother well he thought of the bear of the browns offense but this year he has to change the whole ethos of the team and he's dealing with a lot of really outsized personnel Mayfield shoulders obviously after another fetus in his worst performances appro I think a statistically and otherwise given the hype they had preseason many people you know has its pitfalls and a lot of those pitfalls have to do with team construction and he's not the kind of guy it's not it's not his holidays right who have to buy into what it is he's trying to do and this is one of those things we talked about a little a few weeks ago and I'm sure need special occasion to have to have to get up for especially when you're a contender like Cleveland isn't it in a division that at this point seem still in that game but you know you want to see oh. BJ delivered the way he did against the giant against the jets when he came back to New York because every game is like that risking games in the way that people thought maybe the start of the season he would show good news for them so let's roll into the other unbeaten team in the NFL right now Mike the New England teacher and he doesn't have the reputation either to bring with it to kind of knock heads knocked guys into line who are who are hardy a radio show on Sunday loving Calloway as a touchdown score on Monday loving that really really good good the tip pass who was inevitable given us that in the NFL right now and Denver and Arizona picked up their first win so they're automatically promoted out of the list of losers but the other four two of them are in the AFC east and two of them are in the NFC East and the Patriots this year have draw draw in the NFC East right as their as the division aged is it difficult to gauge just how good this patriots side is because of that it's very difficult to do that and the other thing is there are six bad teams they play so therefore they have they have six games against the forced into the League which is which is a gift in a sense but but the other teams in their division will do that in a mix of a quarterback in an offense coach and I think part of the thing with Cleveland is that Freddie Kitchens did a great job last year of converting earth or changing it's hard to judge how good the Patriots are particularly defense because they haven't been challenged particularly well and it's instead of his tone this was already out of bounds so you know it was one of those games where it doesn't necessarily look as bad as it looks although when you're out gain to historic levels after the first five weeks in terms of touchdowns allowed and interceptions turnovers gained and how Ted to try like shopping and serious vets that just rubbing people up the wrong way and it's a dangerous game to play Mike isn't hit is but to be honest Richard Long can that continue member the only team they played it was supposed to be a top flight team so far was Pittsburgh and Ben Rothlisberger Guys WanNa know some players wind up the opposition everybody says Oh look at that that's great he puts them off their game Richard Sherman winds up the opposition and got it them as a super bowl tip they seem to believe that hype as well they're seizes now in if not tattoos and certainly they are up against it how much of that of that schedule you know it was obvious to me that they were the second best team they benefit from and they benefit from the schedule and it was really just a case of Josh Allen worry with the Patriots he had a lot of open receivers in that game who he couldn't hit and you could say okay the Patriots were were giving them the underneath throws because they were social media stuff doesn't bother me at all as long as the guy keeps his focus on the game show Um you know and okay Richard Sherman delivered any delivered big open yeah it's a very very good point the forty-nine is unbeaten and getting their running game going as well Garoppolo looking a bit more composed they're not necessarily winning because of him but he's not taking that step up from his first season and being more consistent passer which after the first game he did for a couple of weeks and then against this are they expecting say Gordon to step up more Moore's the season progresses they missing that number one trying to get an Antonio Brown does it matter with this if Tom Coughlin can't keep Bj into can't keep his focus on the game and when I say into line that's all I'm really talking about you know all this kind of saying this job yeah it's a little bit a little bit I walk you on the show at Your Dad Snyder of course is a match made heaven so I think that's that's a great shot third home to the giant symbol still have that question and after that against the jet so it's kind of like New Jersey New Jersey Darby for the back to back the passing game and of course they they use James White out of the backfield sprang around so looking at statistically elements that leading receiver at the moment but there could have bunched together when Gronk was in the lineup and when the Patriots offense was at its best they either had Randy Moss on the outside or they had Gronk and Hernandez at tight end so you could you could always get some kind of mismatch it's interesting that Ben Watson came off the suspended list and they've released him rather than activate him challenging him to make those throws that was part of the game plan but still is something that when you win only sixteen to ten and one of those touchdowns comes on a blocked punt mismatch advantage I think they think they've got enough good blocking and receiving and they use those two tight ends more in this game than they had before they also you know you're you're kind of walking tight rope if he does decide to finally complete those passes so this week I don't think will be any different for New England because mayor for defenses to to kind of allow for and Gronk was always that mismatch if you double team him then it leaves people like Gordon or Edelman offense that is obviously without Gronkowski it is different from years gone by yet it does matter because they don't have a mismatch right treats who many things don't ask you about particularly the construct to this current patriots incarnation and the offense in particular I wanna get sense of how you feel about it is player he's pretty good and that's why he's there because they've had injuries in the special teams department of a bigger worry for them is watching their offensive line kind of get together and remember you know Marshall Newhouse is their starting left tackle now Trent Brown was one thing last year at three hundred eighty ready to set Gordon James White from the Backfield all around the two hundred two fifty odd mocking tons of receptions are they missing they adjusted and decided to run with the running game and also to bring in the fullback more the German kid from take more competitive the AFC frankly but the jets the dolphins the two of the worst teams in the NFL let alone in that conference so they've got an automatic avant who are the two tight ends on the roster and he certainly not at thirty eight he's not a Gronk he's not going to give them any sort of the University of Tennessee remember we talked about him because he was the one he was the one international player who went on the practice squad but without the designation so that the he's got these X. Lebanon years is one of the top players in his position in the NFL Mayfield's being here for a cup of coffee absolutely but but once it works in pass blocking in particular he's more reliability but if you watched the game against Washington you saw that after pretty mediocre first half hurt in that game and left part way through the game but would you don't have the roses it's hope flight team I did I had the bills as wild card in the AFC partly because could activate Jacob Jacob Johnson and now and now he was he was activated and he played pretty well GonNa have some great kind of loser Bowl Games a tank bowl games when when the jets and the jets play the giants when the Miami had to bring they reside Jordan Richards whose only problems as a safety are that he can't tackle can't cover but as a specialty is working but a lot of people pointing out Bavin Alicia do and it's something they can't control they caught hell big in the AFC east and the bills I guess obviously it's important to them but they still lack that one dimension I think they're probably still looking around you've seen rumors about them possibly drafting for Tyler I for but of course pounds and they moved into left tackle and he was a huge success. Marshall Newhouse isn't as powerful as Trent Brown probably isn't as as quick as trend on Freddie Kitchens how much of it is on Mayfield talked about the gregarious -ness of Baker Mayfield then what can with Jay Belen. OC Yesterday Jay balanced treat them very well although there is a point in the schedule in week.. Were Baltimore has a bye week okay and New England one more person who can create some kind of mismatch advantage for them and fortunately as you said I mean the whole truth of this matter is that the schedule safest say they will be unbeaten in a couple of weeks you talk about the mcgann offensively Mike Looking at the the dynamic and balance of the running game and extra effort is the guy who always winds up on the I r sum that's a risk Emmanuel Sanders in Denver although after a win I think John elway probably thinks yeah what about eating well as partly financial but partly that they think he I don't think they believe he would give them much that they're not getting from Lacoste and Izzo Denver's now on their march to the super bowl so they wouldn't give up sanders but the Patriots tried to get him when he was a free agent a couple years ago and they really do need that we're not gonNA literally be there tonight battles of tablet would work quite Okay let's start with Monday night football that's what to get into I those fourteen is playing Cleveland and then New England has to go to Baltimore on Sunday to play in prime time so it's unusual sort of have a bye week and then it's because of injury against the colts that didn't didn't out when it was friendly fire from one of his own his ankle he was clearly off kilter as a result my information comes from my dog who just more and far more games than I do but they played really well in the second half and got some of the running game going of an exceptional defense even if you have a two thousand yard runner is still need some quarterbacking for running back to get it. He needs to either have to be usually a quarterback that's typically how the card's full that Adrian Peterson the exceptions to that rule in in in recent years in terms of all -fensive plays but a couple of plays Russell Wilson is right in the thick of it as well after another of choice of performance from him so it's an interesting shortlist person in any team sport you you can't you know if you're GONNA win without a really good quarterback you have to have more than any other team depends on their quarterback and they have done since he came into leading the pack Kuzma good point I take I take the to bail the mouth in unlikely ways and I I don't think now you would argue that Rogers has more help than Wilson does but and Ricky Seals Jones nearly made a great catch with Richard Sherman drink all over him but you know but he couldn't get his he couldn't go down he got his heel down this quarterbacks how come it isn't more even these the main thing is that the quarterback with the possible exception of a goaltender an ice hockey is the single most important able to get open if you double team he's going to outrun a linebacker and out-muscle a safety so so there was always that threat when ground inquisition because although the seahawks say they want to run the ball all the time and and they do well when carson goes over one hundred yards and doesn't fumble they do depend on Russell Wilson contribution but football's the ultimate team game and that's why the quarterback stands out so much because he's the one person who is given a win or a loss when Mike AP was in Minnesota and he's on a team that wants to run the ball all the time so that that makes him legitimates Russell Wilson and interesting team Windsor lose the one the one we take the panthers McCaffrey specifically who at the moment is averaging one hundred and seventy three point two yards from two thousand yard runner or be a both running receiving threat which is which is why Christian McCaffrey is Talvin Cook has the potential to be a two thousand yard runner in previous years he probably did and the man Patrick Mahomes obviously is the key to the chiefs even when the chiefs we're loaded with playmakers when tyreek hill and hunt were both we're both playing for the chiefs it was still Patrick Mahomes was getting the benefit of their of inexorable in that offense if you know I I said before the season I think he's going to regress a little bit this year but if he throws thirty eight pretty good that's gotta be I mean that's really one that you should put in prime time because it's not so much riding on it but yet new England Baltimore and week nine is going to be the game of the week look keep mark in your diaries adults said the trade deadline that Mike was referring to of course moving you usually have about seven or eight okay we'll get into that in a mode but in terms of the constructor at a great quarterback and you have there's still ahead of a football to play I want to ask festival why don't other skill positions get the love in the MVP compensation as much arena states talking about the New York jets potentially being one of those teams that unsurprising given the season that having might be open to bid for some of their stars so Alvin Cook early on and and certainly Christian McCaffrey a couple of running backs foreseeing that way into the conversation that includes Patrick mahomes despite his indifferent before host prime time game and that's going to be the game where New England you know if if they get past Cleveland Cleveland don't pull up what will be an upset at that point early days of us working together a two thousand five hundred nine is that is the old Scrimmage record or yards from scrimmage I should say I'm given the comedy situation find many people that would beg to differ on that front then you've got a whole bunch of plays that range for Mavericks to pretty good right so if you know right now we've mentioned a few of the mahomes Wilson Breeze Raja's Brady of course rough does Bugah rivers these top quarterbacks that you've got jared Goff Garoppolo on his day cousins e you know maybe when he's on his own form and maybe that's the point various stages of that career of course as well but it's unequivocally I think in in the case of all of those players have just mentioned great quarterback said but again they do as you said depend on Rogers on Rogers a lot brady really fat Nice Segue Mike into Alko by a lot of and right now I think McCaffrey has got an excellent right now I would put Wilson and McCaffrey one two homes in three because I think the home systems yeah we didn't even mention the did Ali I was a delayed response at some people listening to realize that most agency is is very very important and you I manning for example you said we weren't gonNA talk eat light but manning is a quarterback who is a big play kind of Guy he he's got no memory in terms of bad place Shen Trent dilfer at quarterback you know e you don't have to have a great quarterback Jeff hostetler won a super bowl for the giants image per game which puts him on pace to have two thousand seven hundred and seventy what if he keeps it up and that would be a record of course Chris Johnson back in two thousand and eight remember I and McCaffrey in those one two spots and Rogers a sneaky sort of number four because you know the packers are for wia very quietly sort of he's basically been a league average passer for most of his career but he elevates his game somewhat statistically in the playoffs and of course as we know he makes at the time but it's kind of the way we'll actually in Roger's does the same thing to a lesser degree but that they really depend on Wilson you don't have to have a great quarterback to win a Super Bowl Jim Plunkett won two super bowls with the maters and I find him very comparable to Eli Manning but when people talk about many being locked for the and Kyle Allen's come in and perform pretty creditably knock on him back but there's no doubt about it that McCaffrey's carrying saloon so if that op Foster Tober the twenty ninth is when teams have to get the deal done by they all get are- up so watch that space and interesting Jason Lockenfora the NFL Ryan a quarterback to get to the Super Bowl but teams have won super bowls with Bret with Mark whip at quarterback with Doug Williams quarterback Brad Johnson at quarterback with the foreman a successful NFL team year in year out maybe not and again it's hard to separate quarterbacks from teams now everyone thinks you have to double nobody talks about Jim Plunkett being Loch sorry lock for the for the hall of fame nobody talks Jim plunkett being a walk here and and I think yeah I think because we want you have you talked five and I'm going to wear my desert island top You you have a top five right as we were there a few more I usually do it's fun to mentally different places eighty in a mahomes sa- talk us through what you think having covered the game for so many years makes a great quarterback offense certainly so if that continues to happen how much of the context of a situation the literal interpretation of most valuable player gets applied that throws in games when he NIA renee big throws in games when he needed to which is a count as much I mean I it depends I mean that if you want stone passes instead of fifty still be an MVP candidate and he's always going to be because he's such such a talented player but right now I put Wilson only nine pounds to enter and last entry by six PM Sunday Patty Power Fantasy hate waiting love winning party power fantasy rules apply eighteen plus with vogue quite quite interesting as it would be bill and his contract again would surprise me if they do it would be a very she had to say that because I want to get excited get that three hundred and two I wanted to be with you Mike because this we talked about a bit on the show already to season the MVP he is that the key is it is it consistency we can we count most weeks most seasons building that up that's at that must be a different styles quarterbacks we talked about as well there there are a couple of things the game is changing it's you know it's so much more offense oriented so much passing oriented I should say and it's widening out from the influence of college football so that mobile quarterbacks are really a necessity almost nowadays it's you can't throw consistently and when you're playing a team like say Carolina or buffalo who do this very very well they play a lot of zone defense that allowed everybody but there's guys like rivers I put Matt Stafford in that group John Elway was I think a guy like that who always think that Jeff George was arm strength in particular size as a secondary factor but those two things are the two most overrated characteristics when you are evaluating quarterbacks and what is most necessary is accuracy I think more than anything more than arm strength you have to be accurate it doesn't make it another one who will stand in elway had mobility but they will wait for the play to be open always think they could force the ball in Brett yards title survey the field and know where the ball was going to go by the way the defense was aligned now part of that is smarts and part of it is hard work in completions underneath on the on the precept that if you can put together eight or ten completions on a drive while more power to you any difference if you can throw the ball forty yards and can't put it on a on a button atten- because consistency as you suggested is the most important thing you can't move the chains absorb study film and watching tendencies but it's being able to put that together in your mind to do that and I think I think I called it the three Rs back in our channel five days which was something like read react release and that that to me is still the key for being a successful quarterback in this league Russell Wilson so good because to an extent he does both mahomes is so far from what I've seen excellent doing both fiber that is you can add nowadays sort of escape ability or giving your offense that multiple should keep playing live at which is what makes and you're not going to get the first down so so I think accuracy is under still underrated when people evaluate coaches and the second thing is small aw in that group players me well I think he wants to be but he shouldn't be Mayfield to be successful has to be fifty sixty years which is how quarterbacks were evaluated you wanted a guy who was big enough to see over over the pocket had a strong enough parts for y'all smarts show it's it's being able to see and released quickly and put the ball accurately where it's supposed to go and and but yeah he get and you guys I think Philip Rivers is in this group and he's as tough as they come people you know we're we're talking about he'll stand in against a rush like some of our greatest quarterbacks Tom Brady and Brady ranting being probably the two the two most obvious kind of examples of it would come out of the house white drew brees the Brett farve he has and that's where kitchens was trying to do for him he's mobile enough to be able to do the kinds of things that to avoid a rush or to absorb rush and stand in against the rush Ben Rothlisberger being the the epitome and had a big arm and oh but we're not gonNa let you do that you know we're GONNA we're gonna hit your receivers hard when they go underneath we're going to give you the the three yard gain when you're when it's stirred down seven Murray does in an offense he runs better than than people think but he's not going to be a goner and the difference between as Steve Young say would be throwing the ball before the receiver comes open the extra second yeah and so what you get with with Stanford a lot is that he's waiting for the receiver to come open and then pushing the ball in where breadth well between a Brett farve in an elway in a stat say and to Stafford or Jeff George is simply a little bit of anticipation all before the receiver makes his cut sometimes watch that Atlanta second half and you'll see brady throw a couple of sidelines patterns with the ball is on its way before the receiver has well that's a different kind of way just because physicality and he just GonNa well yeah but that's what I said Ben is pitted me of the guy who can stand in the rush and let it go and he gets hurt as that makes all the difference so that's a brady or or a manning knowing where he thinks is going to be where the open receivers going to be we'll throw that ball all time he he's probably he's arguably the best running quarterback of all time give us a hugely accurate passer with a strong arm based on quarterback I was being I was being analytical might have my personal favorites include guys like Charlie Johnson of the Arizona L. which is when he and Anthony Carter had one great year for that league up but now this is my top five sort of stays more or less the same certainly I think the sets and the thing is you don't know how Montana would fare in another system very much because when he went to Kansas City it was kind of the end of his career uncut and it's coming right where the receiver is going to be and if you combine that with with the the the arm strength and you've got the perfect quarterback but we'll be a saint louis cardinals and John Hagel of the San Diego chargers and kids which is get yeah well again when when you're young and you see these guys they and they were top four does in the fifth one is kind of a moveable feast and I changed the way I rank the the two three four guys every time I think about it back and this is something that people argue about all the trading him well I'll get to that in a second degrees is a system quarterback in that in that people would say to Dawson was was very similar to Bart Star in a lot of ways is in that category so Those two were foreign five the two the two but I I put him at number five while having Joe Montana number four just ahead of him and I'm not quite happy about that all right five is Steve Young who I think is maybe in terms of the whole athletic package the best quarterback the niners just Just ahead of I think John was number six in third places peyton manning for a lot of the reasons that which let's have i Mike talk lives on top five quarterbacks of all time and I'm guessing what we've just been talking about for the last five minutes paints the the consideration in the next five obviously it's no has been going for one hundred years before everybody gets all upset you know there's no disgrace to not being in the top five quarterbacks both kind of kind of gunslinger types in their era jim hard of the cardinals and in fact the cardinals run pretty good yoke nations I think that we are weighing in his so while I come from a more personal favourite plaza I like to see at nobody adamant that and you'll make up my you'll you'll picking I guess he was very creaky osweiler replaced him for a few games did every bit probably as well as many but he did quarterback that team to a super the reason for it change your top five as we're going along Mike I get a sense you might be I could myself into Montana's the ultimate system quarterback it's sort of below the surface eight marinas known your top five world's probably cuts top ten so don't do that saying Nikki did in Indianapolis and I think when people denigrate manning second year in Denver because he didn't play well lead executed Brady's able to execute that really well and you know th they used to be the argument of foul would manning do on a Belichick team and how it Brady I was a big bear to be bad deep dive while he was with the Michigan Panthers in the US oh five four three two top Tom Brady SR number two And you know people say Brady's system quarterback it's true to a sense but the problem is some extent yeah and it's funny because my number one guy was a systems system quarterback back in the days when quarterbacks called their own place and I said before being outside and hearing was assistant quarterback as well only it was manning's sure when he went to Denver he did this beneath he did relatively well as well but bars like ours Jordan that the wizards right let me just march stars in that category what play he he had called in the huddle thinking what was going to go and then what what he could switch at the time Bobby Lane is a hall of fame quarterback Mansa Big thing people you know the difference between quarterbacks in the pre passing era and quarterbacks today is an only that the rules unchanged the plays and and do what he thought and how good was his judgment be you know and probably pretty good and I said every quarterback assistant quarterback Mike and a guy like a Bart Star John United States was able to co Orlando Dawson was able to come up to the line and had that vision to be able to see by injury so I got him in a number three Jeff Dickerson was in the House on Friday Mike I'm sure I know not subscribe and Download user the Sammy Baugh category more more or less Sunny Johnson being the most obvious but said Lockman is still undisputedly the best quarterback a bears is that the system is bill belichick system and it changes every week Brady is one he's throwing fifty touchdown passes with Randy Moss in light up with a run I lineup with Corey Dillon but most seasons he wins doing those things and more and whatever they need aw as Trent dilfer and yes that was actually an accomplishment I think for a guy who's at that point is physical skills were limited by we do Indianapolis and I think that was always a fascinating one because how much would peyton manning want to control control things Enj Lachmann was kind of like that I think it's interesting too that said Luchman for example is still the greatest quarterback the bears have ever had his show without an you didn't have a very good arm but was incredibly tough and was a great reader of games and could could call those those right kind of place back I think for good reason he's the best quarterbacks browns whoever ad for good reason and so he's still number one and when I played my first college game which was a fresh ship Games Paul Brown talked him out of retirement for the tenth when Graham left in one thousand nine fifty seven drafted Jim Brown they were trying to get lend auto Graham Graham Brown's and he's still the best quarterback the Cleveland browns have ever had he was the first quarterback the Cleveland browns ever had Graham played ten years that he played they didn't win them all obviously but he played ten years in the major leagues as it were any went to ten champion in fact the first game they came back in the nfl they beat the reigning champion Eagles who had won two years in a row and then they went to the championship game every single

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Episode 001: Deconstruction

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Episode 001: Deconstruction

"<music> coming on so so you're ready to record the first episode of thanks peter pod of course i am. I sure yes. This is thanks pod. I'm kobe wrong and here. We are episode. One do construction so i think <hes> that we both consider ourselves deconstructed christie's. We've both had a tenuous at a good word tenuous to describe in. I had a professor in divinity school school. His set who would literally like shut people up if they use the word like tenuous and tell them to use real words but but we can roll with ten news of you'd prefer to use that i'm all what was this professors beef with the word tenuous wasn't a beef with tenure so it was a beef with academic academic folks <hes> padding their vocabularies to <hes> to sound more verbose okay mind if needed you too so okay we've had a checkered past with the church and <hes> <hes> so we were both raised in dominations right <hes> that may be considered evangelical something along those lines <hes> and then when <hes> when we stepped away we both stepped into mainline churches congregations nominations and this process of moving from one place to another. I think is part of our narrative and part of what many people consider deconstruction so. I think there are for us today in this episode three three questions on the table which are what is deconstruction. Who are these deconstructed christians and and finally is there a place for them. I put together a little story for us. Goes a little something like this. Okay so it's the nineteenth century and the way historians think about history as best summed up by the philosophy of one guy. Will you polled von on ronca the big questions for ronca. What is the past and how do you access. According to rock the past is accessed through documents no documents no history with primary sources and the right tools however the historian rock is words can reconstruct the past as it actually really happened in other words. There is a factual objective historical narrative that historians are capable telling there was some critics critics bronco in the nineteenth century chief among them nietzsche who challenged the notion of objectivity but nietzsche is the minority and ronca and his view of objectivity are the mainstays in the academy. If you're a professional historian you're not gonna like the over simplification of this but just bear with me jumped to the twentieth century and objectivism begins to erode new kids on the block begins to argue that reconstructing the past isn't as simple as digging up some primary sources says and relaying facts to readers as duke historian elizabeth clark puts it since the past at least in written form is preserved in the present only s. taxed there can be no appeal to a past aside from this linguistically constituted record and more down to earth language words aren't the past this new willingness to challenge objectively to challenge the long held views of the academy are exemplified in the work of jacques doc daredevil who coined the term deconstruction according to derrida deconstruction interrogating the interplay between language and meaning culture often privileges certain terms over others nature and culture speech and writing mind and body the presence and absence inside and outside literal and metaphorical the tension between these terms creates would dare to cause a violent hierarchy erkki when a reader steps back observes these hierarchies questions their existence and wonders how they may influence his or her formulation of meaning than they are participating insulating and deconstruction deconstruction though isn't destruction rather it's the willingness to critically engage hierarchy and to humbly assume soon as a person my biases my beliefs my own hierarchies. They influenced the way that i interpret everything for christians who wrote a great deal of reverence toward the bible. You can see how a concept like deconstruction. Mike carlson shock waves on the one hand. There is the philosophy of ronca objectivism. If you think of the bible as the word of god then the taxes all you need because you have the bible a primary source you can imagine god as god actually is but if you entertain the ideas of deconstruction derrida you might realize that standing between you and god as a whole host of obstacles language by his culture politics hierarchy interpretation and you consider this every time you open the bible every time you read a verse standing in between you and god is your perception as has developed in the twenty first century my position as a white heterosexual educated male conditions my perception of the bible and of god always since i can't disassociate myself with who i am cam at best i can acknowledge it and consider how dominant narratives and my own narrative have influenced my perception god. It's this willingness leanness to interrogate hierarchy and long-standing tradition that many of us call deconstruction so let me get this straight. You've got you've got it wrong and objectivism right. That's the very simplified way to over simplified version of this right right right so you've got those guys in one camp or that guy yes and he's arguing that a historical tax can bring us objective truth truth run <hes> on our faith for for the sake of what we're talking about right so something like the bible can bring us objective truth an guidance on who it is. We should be what we should believe what happened in the past and then you've got dare the correct they say that derrida and deconstruction and that is the argument that between me in those texts sts is my own perception and i have to reckon with that or deal with that to understand what's actually going on on the aesthetics right. It may be more complicated than that because the process of reckoning and dealing with what's your perception and all the other perceptions assumptions that have influenced cultural interpretations of these texts <hes> it's not. It's not really that well. There's debate about whether or not that's even possible to fully reckon with yourself so the question with deconstructing deconstructing is possibly you're always in a process of deconstructing. You're always reckoning with yourself knowing that in some way you influence whatever you're reading <hes> and how you read it and even more than that you're also reckoning the perceptions of the writers and trying to figure out how the writers of these texts allowed their perceptions infiltrates or be included in these divine and or historical texts. That's right to and there's also a lot of debate about whether other not the intention of the riders even matters when you're reading texts. I think there are a fair number of people and i'm not gonna put myself one of these camps <hes> but there are a fair number of people that i would say you well. You only get taxed. You don't get the writer's intentions because you can't actually speak to the writer they're dead <hes> so you're always in dealing with second hand material and thaw so clear if the writer if it's up to the writer to <hes> insert themselves within the tax or it's always always the reader sort of imagining what the writer might say. I think the point of deconstructing is that you are aware that it isn't so easy to read texts. You're always dealing with all sorts of layers of interpretation whether it's yourself or whether it's a it's the writer or trying to figure out historical context right whereas objectivism objectivism within steamroll its way into the conversation and say none of that matters. It's the word of god and god god ordained and it is in erin and it doesn't matter who the writers were what their perceptions were. None of that got in here because god controlled old. What's in this text yeah exactly yeah i mean i would. I would say that's that's the two camps. <hes> deconstructing isn't necessarily coming to terms or or or there's no process of being deconstructed right. You don't get to a point where you no longer investigating all of the things that are are that are laying being in front of you when you encounter tax and really this can go beyond texts as well <hes> deconstruction. You can construct pretty much anything. The point is that you were just challenging changing and you have a willingness to challenge <hes> longstanding thoughts about stuff. That's so nate are you. Are you telling me that to use the fr- the word deconstruction to describe me as a christian or or deconstructed to describe me as a christian would be in the game of semantics problematic because <unk>. I'm no i'm never done. I've never done deconstructing right as probably problematic to say that you are a deconstructed christian then you are more than likely deconstructing christian yeah or maybe even decomposing definitely at some point decomposing from dust to dust baby. I think <hes> augustine said something about that so anyway. <hes> that's deconstruction in a nutshell. I think i think we've accomplished getting from the bear word word as it's been asserted and thrown around to what it means possibly in a very i don't know i think this is a very intellectual way of thinking about deconstruction. It's a a process in which christians at take apart their long held beliefs and i think you have a story and leave it to the liberals to create a term that you have to google to understand. I didn't know i had been going through deconstruction until it was already happening. As in undergrad attending a campus campus ministry after growing up in an evangelical fundamentalist christian summer camp world starting as a freshman at florida state. I arrived thinking that being an authentic christian men having a transcendent emotional experience jesus wanted that experience desperately desperately but never felt like anyone heard the prayers and questions. I was casting out into the ether only a few weeks into college. I found myself regularly the attending a united methodist campus ministry it was that campus ministry coupled alongside my newfound independence that started my subconscious this shift towards progressive belief. I have a question yeah. Why did you feel comfortable going to the methodist ministry on campus campus. I mean like we both grew up in more delicate environments and i would've thought i would've been scared to death because i would have thought that's where all the liberals were yea. I think this is actually i thought about naming this earlier <hes> but i think i had no idea that like there was a distinct difference between the baptist denomination and mainline traditions right to me they were all aw some form of denomination and i didn't know that there was such a parsing out of like a congregational list or evangelical structure structure versus what was going on the main line. So even i mean back in high school. I started going across the street to the presbyterian church for a year to because they needed a drummer in their worship bands and so i started doing that so to me hopping between denominations because i didn't have the historical soreq background of these nominations felt very seamless so then when i got to college and the methodist campus ministry was across the street from my dorm in in iowa's your standard typical lazy college students there were less steps to get to the methodist campus ministry than to get to the b._b._c. or the baptist campus ministry so i landed methodists with no leaning towards their theology or their doctrine whatsoever no understanding of any of that just showing up because it was the closest thing to me gumption gumption okay back to the stork mark skip to the end of that year and i was signing a lease to live off campus with three other guys from that campus ministry. Two two of these new roommates brothers both wanted to meet up for coffee before moving in separately. Both of them told me that they were gay. They they wanted to make sure i was ok and comfortable living with them in this so interesting that we live in a society where they had to it'd be more concerned with my well being than their own in that moment i mean tried ac- this from their perspective you are a gay man and that is not come out to many people at all then. You make plans to room with someone that you go to church with. You don't know their backgrounds. All oh you know is what people think. The bible says about same sex intercourse but still this moment shouldn't be about your emotional safety this. His moment shouldn't be a safe holding tank for your potential trauma instead. You should be concerned about the faith of your future roommate in that moment. My brain unraveled. They weren't the problem but the faith that i had been taught. Maybe it was mm-hmm. What kind of screwed up world was i living in where someone had to expose the deepest parts of themselves to alleviate future conflicts quits with me not necessarily equipped to have a pastoral or ethical response to such situation i- nonchalantly dismissed their worries stories because to me there were none. I must definitely did not understand the magnitude of the moment for both of them the fear they were experiencing that i might rebuke within after they tell me the shame they might be feeling for not just being able to be attracted to women being zayed's that was coursing through them while they waited for my response all of those internal feelings and most definitely more did not register to me in that moment to me see this was a simple exchange. I wanted to be roommates. They were gay. I still loved them. They were still some of my closest friends. I wanted to be even closer with them. That was the whole point of living together this whole time. Although i'm not sure i realized that then these two men among many other college friends which shape my perspective on life and faith so fast forward to now i just recently graduated divinity school. I applied and went to divinity school. After lingering a few years of my undergraduate institution while there i realized i was not the only one struggling to rectify my faith with experiences in the ivory tower so at divinity school after after multiple internships and endless visits to churches in the area. I realize no one was doing the work. I wanted to do to create a community where we could earnestly earnestly and honestly question what we had been taught our whole lives without shame or guilt and moreover to be able to do so without feeling like step through a time warp straight to the eighteen hundreds even more frustrating. It didn't seem like anyone cared when i met with church officials at the denominational nation level as well as at the local church there were no opportunities to work with young folks who are deconstructing some of these clergy and church professionals didn't <music> even know the term deconstruction leave it to liberals to grab a hold of term. We all have to google ordered understand it so job bob interview after job interview. Nothing seems to click with the intersection of christian that i wanted to work with and after finally discovering an opportunity to you work with young adults in campus ministry contexts i was rejected in favor of the candidate that had a background in fundraising inter the other facet to progressive church ministry. We don't have the money for some reason wants. The bible stops being the errand word of god. 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We wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't for young anyways back to the show so i have a question for you and it's personnel <music>. Are you going to church right now. So it's kind of a tricky question. You know skirt it. I i have been a pastor for the last year and my time as a pastor ended probably roughly a month ago and so what i can say is that i haven't been to church since i was done at my placement as a pastor and every now and then i'm all over slipping into the back of a church service now that i'm a lay person again but but i haven't put my sunday best on in left my house yet so i'm wondering if you're going to go through this process of finding church. I think that maybe the question is how does deconstructing christian out. How do people like us find churches when they don't have no. I mean what do you do. How do you go out right. I mean barring a couple of different indicators on the outside of churches space then in an wait a minute. This is my story. Okay aright so few days ago. I had this idea i want wanted to go out of my house and i did this thing. I went and asked my wife to come on a little title sunday afternoon. Road trip with me breakdown which means right. Yes oh actually yes. You're right down the church name scorn and we're gonna impeach trump guesses here again. I will go down. Churches took waynesboro though because i think that's okay so the idea was to look at the outside of a church and to guess <music> whether or not the church would be welcoming to christians who are deconstructing their the church right across the street festival church literally right across the street almost like okay so the first category of church that we noticed that that we drove by was mainline protestant churches. Tell me exactly what a mainline protestant churches what fits in that category category so i think that generally these older more established quote unquote main line you know they're the ones that have been around for a while <hes> <hes> and that are in the blood of the united states of america <hes> so i mean the ones that come to my head of the presbyterian church piece you say the l._c._a. Lutheran church the methodist church the united methodist church <hes> the fiscal church there anymore. Yeah we've got a american baptist. Church is actually okay which can throw things off the united church of christ and disciples of christ which are both pretty prominent here in nashville as well as quakers reformed orm church in america the ame church as well the african methodist episcopal church most of these main main lines are known for their active active approach to social issues. That's their their big indicator active in social issues. I could see that being a definition that they used they also i mean at least in my mind and my construction of the mainline church like i'm painting an image of a mainline church in my head they are the ones with pews and the steeple and the pipe morgan and the robes has affair yeah the yeah. The robes are a big thing which always deterred me. I was like who are you people. And why can't you just be normal like when are you walking down the street and you see someone in a row like that is the most unapproachable thing you could be wearing for someone who cares about social issues. I do wear a robe every they were. Thanks colby needs. Just one of them knits just a narc. Every congregation is different but the first sharon church can tell by their sign. Edge is first first presbyterian church private. It's also say you can tell by the love out so i mean knowing that it's p._c. U._s._a. church bigger. It's a <hes> more progressive denomination. The church has to accept some. Is this reality that we have to account for that. There are a lot of churches that are associated with denominations and many of these denominations nominations set nationwide or regional policies so for example the church that we drove by. I was a member of the p._c. U._s._a. and by being being a member of the p._c. u._s._a. Know that this church has to be open and affirming so sign it to a degree is helpful. Okay cold leaked consigns they do they tell you something about the church that you are getting ready to attend. I think probably one of the more helpful signs if a few are steeped in denomination. I'd co denominational ism if you know anything about denominations probably one of the more helpful signs is the sign of denomination if it is actually on the church so there are some pretty unique logos for the p._c. u._s._a. For the episcopal church <hes> <hes> i think the united methodist has a logo mark cross and flame right <hes> so if you see that plaster let's just a let's clear the air okay all united methodist churches at this point are not open and affirming right and that's that's the difference between the united methodist and maybe some other mainline denominations <hes> so let me just talk from my own experience. <hes> is a former presbyterian <hes> that the presbyterian in church p._c. U._s._a. is as nationwide affirming <hes> open and affirming answered l._g._b._t._q. People and <hes> so oh having that sign on your church in less you left the denomination means that at least theoretically you to have to be uh-huh and affirming our store frontier jr right on the name of the sun from all signs no no language on the signs that would indicate like what is it like in literally in downtown. They proved building into this. You wouldn't even know it's church the church. I'm sure the past it hasn't there's another category of church out there that we noticed almost immediately and that is the storefront church so colby. Oh be you're searching for churches and you have no real clue about denominations or about <hes> theology or theological traditions and and you're going around. What church at least are you looking for aesthetically on the outside as someone who is a millennial. What are you looking for right. I think this is the ah the big question is do people look for theology and doctrine when they're looking for a church and ultimately i would. I'd say i'm not i am looking for something where i know. The people will be relatable to me may be experiencing already have experienced inst- things in life that i am about to experience so that i have dialogue partners for how my faith informs the things that i'm going through in my day to day life and so to me something like a storefront church would would fit that bill would have the people that i'm looking for for now. That's not to say that once. I get inside and start worshipping with them that i don't get immediately concerned once someone starts speaking speaking right lou arguably if you're not playing a game of semantics you can make it through a contemporary worship service right with with some sort what of modern worship with drums electric guitars you might have a couple small red flags but ultimately you're gonna lead up to the pivotal point of when and someone starts speaking in what's going to come out of their mouth. Is it going to be reflective of your faith is going to be reflective of what you believe. We've that god would want us to be in do in this world or is it going to be something more exclusive something a little bit more evangelical leaning something a little bit objective est right <hes> and i would insert this category of church that doesn't doesn't even make it clear where they stand on many issues that concern us deconstructing christians i know of evangelical churches that don't even approach topics about homosexuality or anything because they are concerned about staying as broad as possible and so they use very very very very inclusive language at least in that big worship service that you go to but then when you become a member of their bible studies and you join a small group and you go on on a retreat then and you start to get some of those things that make you feel uncomfortable right in the argument is that you're trying to stay is broad as possible to be as inclusive as possible but i really wonder if there isn't more play. I wonder if you're staying as broad as possible because the storefront churches don't have denominational backing always don't necessarily have denominational the national backing in so then they are forced to try and welcome as many people in the doors as they can because what lands in that offering plate not not only pays the electric bills but please pays the salaries yeah yes salaries yeah <hes> so there there is no question though there is no doubt that there are deconstructing christians <hes> people like kobe and myself who are looking for more modern expressions of worship and liturgy and all this stuff and yet the churches that are offering those modern expressions of worship are at least typically more conservative evangelical churches so those social justice issues that we care about the things that make us who we are deconstructing christians those are rejected and the vast majority of churches that are offering modern worship and and the storefront church isn't typically attracting deconstructed christians deconstructing christians <hes> so here we stand with this weird in this weird place where her progress and progressivism in respected church means traditional. That's wild right and end end your evangelical churches are creating faith that is often at people's expenses but religious experiences spiritual communities that you are more interested in participating in if you had the whole service on on mute the whole time right so that's where we stand and i think that's kind of one of the main questions of thanks to pod is is it possible to create a space where deconstructing christians who desire modern expressions of worship desired a community that it doesn't look like you've stepped into a time warp actually exist right is there. Is there a faith tradition or a church that that is teaching spirituality. That's it no one else's expense. Is there a church or community that makes yes. You think or realize that you're not tired of going to church anymore. Is there a spiritual a spiritual community that you can be proud of house where spiritual community that you don't have to be ashamed of okay so where that that i think brings us to the end of the very first episode. Thanks beautify. Should we say it. I say the word of pot for the people of thought is that we're going yeah. You say the first part the second part and then we'll say say that this has been the word of pod for the people pod. Thanks thanks to five. I'm not sure if that's going to stay. There are many more episodes calm. I stay tuned for the next couple of episodes of thanks pod like we said you can enjoy those couple of episodes early by joining our launch party on facebook or by donating to our patriae on page. We would really appreciate appreciate your support as we get things going. This is our pilot episode will releasing this weeks in advance of the launch of actual show you seeing this on facebook social from media. 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"The hello and welcome to the show on. Espn good to be back in. Good debut with us. Great data and mike in the house. Because it's been a long time so he's got up at the beginning and we have got a lot to be getting in to go. Talk other mild. We're gonna talk bills moving to austin. Could that really happen. We'll talk about the vaccine situation in the nfl right now. The green bay situation chew on plenty more besides with me and cost and we're gonna go off left right and center into all kinds of things so we will get straight out the businesses we get you set for the twenty twenty one season and the welcome return of mike. Carlson ladies and gentlemen make his way into the ring. Area from parts. unknown would make. Don't johnson brown. Mike cost and all the way from sunny yourself on a beach in portugal. And believe me. I wish i was still. They're not least because the place we were renting at better wives to her home. So i could be working working my ass off revive on your show with you. See in the background. Carlsson a deck chair on the beach. The hawaiian shut. Could it be bruce out would would. Perfect would have been absolutely perfect. I liked parts unknown as the there was a moment when big van. Vader was big. Jim ross and jerry. The king at big van vader came was introduced as from parts unknown early in the match. Jim ross said you. Investigator was football. And all american football players are what was that at parts. Unknown state shadiest. Ged he's great to see you but we got to get into. Yeah as is always the way with me. I'm sure we will deviate heavily regularly. From from the producers put together we will start with. I guess some of the big stories that being rolling in in recent times to get the call. Some perspective on demo. I wanna start with the jacksonville. Jaguars because a lot of buzz about the the. Jags obvious reasons. Things are looking up as they say. Admire particular is a fascinating proposition. Because there's a huge amount of expectation unknown as well about what he is going to be able to achieve. What's your instinct with that. This transition from college and everything chief there as a head coach to the pros in this particular instance in this particular situation might as it happens. I did a long take on that last last week before i went on holiday down on my back john column so you look at fm. Friday called might cost. Fda is thank you. And i took a look at her. But you know because when you look at college costs transitioning to the nfl the ones who have no nfl. Experience have very very bag. And since jimmy johnson not a hugely successful mixed bag now last year you had matt rule who came from an nfl background. He had coached in nfl but to are almost mid major programs. Even though they're in big conferences temple and baylor and and before that it was cliff kingsbury at texas tech. Who'd been in. Nfl quarterback experience as well the jury's out both of those jury still out but they tend to get a wider berth because they haven't been successful and because they've labored in matt college system where guys like urban. Meyer have all the best players. You're picking the leftovers. So but meyer started out at bowling green went to utah. Went to florida. Went to ohio state so he started out at that level with with. Bg and at utah they quarterbacks. He inherited josh harish at josh harris at bowling green Alex smith at utah. Chris leak at florida. Braxton miller ohio state he moved in they were in place and he had huge success with all of them. He recruited at bowling green. He recruited omar jacobs. He never coached him because he left in two years. Omar jacobs was a big tall all strong armed not that mobile quarterback at utah. Recruited a paul kruger. And brian johnson. Now quarterbacks coach for the eagles paul kruger became a defensive. End in the nfl. He transitioned another big strong armed guy at florida. Obviously tibo was the first guy. okay made. He won a national championship with chris. Leak he won with tibo. But the other quarterbacks he brought in there we're cam. Newton left after a year. Because of theft scandal jeff driscoll who transferred to louisiana tech trey burton became a tight end went on to the. Nfl jordan became a tight end onto the nfl. Josh portis who transfer twice mattos checkered career. Both in college in the pros john. Brantley you've probably heard of tyler. Murray transferred to bc but but the story was. He never found quarterbacks to replace the guys he inherited there at ohio state. He was a little bit more lucky because they went undefeated his first year but they were on probation so they couldn't go to bolster his third year. They won the the national champion championship with. Braxton miller getting hurt in the j. t. barrett getting hurt and car dale jones who is just a freshman taking them all the way but when you look at those guys. Nfl terms and then you look at the guys. He recruited like dwayne haskins. And let joe borough go because wayne clump was in place. What you get the sense that he really wants. Although his offense is sort of thought of as being a running kind of option offense he really wants big armed quarterback back there. They brought in justin fields. Who was an option guy from georgia in that transfer window. Ncwa is now bigger. Free agency. Market the nfl. And it's it's amazing every year. But i think what gives jacksonville fans hope here. Is that treble. Lawrence fits both those bills. Trevor lawrence can be your your option kind of quarterback although in the nfl the jury still out on whether you want. A quarterback is running threat on. Who's not exception. Like lamar jackson. Say because of the risk of injury right. Yeah i mean. Rg three being the the primate. The prime example of that but lawrence's also deep thrower lawrence can sit in the pocket and throw deep. We know that. So so there is. I think meyer. There gets the best of both worlds and the question then is what kind of an offense is. He going to adapt for the nfl. What he's brought darrow beverly. So what does that tell you. That's the next question. Not only daryll. But brian schottenheimer as quarterbacks coach now schottenheimer has been a run. I on offensive coordinator everywhere. He's been at remember. He replaced bebel at seattle run when they when they fired. Bebel after the super bowl they brought in schottenheimer and it didn't get them very far. So you know i think. I think the question is whether he wants his team to be run. First option in. Throw drafting travis. At signing carlos heidi played from it is state seems to indicate james robinson may not be the guy who does the primary carrying the way he did last year which means it means a different offense. So yeah i think i think he's going to get a lot of leeway obviously to to experiment and stuff but i also get the sense that he's going to let those guys take control of the offense quite a bit. Um and it'll be it'll be an interesting thing to say because he doesn't have a great group of wide receivers. they're either. You know just on paper. At least so i'm looking to see if they do something more forty niners style. More sean. Mcvay style van say pete carroll style or indeed urban meyer style. Because the one thing you get it when you're taking over jacksonville after coaching it. Ohio state. you don't have a built in advantage over every team you play. Maybe penn state or michigan or whatever. I can flip side of that is the expectation levels as much as they can be low in the nfl and time is up against you more than ever now to establish yourself as a head coach. But he's got time has this year unless it's an a cataclysmic off a cliff which is unlikely to be. Then he's got at least a couple years to get this right. Yeah and i was writing the nfc south and houston who have afc south afc south korea and houston. Who have all kinds of problems brought in a live fungible talent. Nick caserio doing that. Kind of two thousand and two bill belichick thing. They have a huge question. Because i don't think deshaun. Nobody thinks to shawn watson going to still be playing by the start of the season right. That's a major question for them. When blake bortles is on the market. I keep the role played with my head. Blake bortles somehow is gonna get shot in a super bowl. Maybe during the game when the stars that goes down and a few blake is gonna come. Good might be a great story on the love blazing. He never got to phone. That's already set the precedent right. So hey it's so. I if i were if i were a team with joe flacco say i would bring bortles in his backup and that would to me would make perfect joe. Flacco imagine if imagine aaron rodgers had been traded. Well let's talk about with some of the big stories of the. Did you ever think that that was a credible possibility. Rogers leaving green bay this off season. I didn't think it was a possibility if he was going to go to another team. I really didn't think green bay would give into that at this point. If he was finished with football it was. i also didn't think he was finished with football and know like everybody. Now they wanna be like the nba and go to a proven winner. You know and everybody on the all star team goes to one team so they can get a rig and the odd thing was if he looked at it seriously. The number of teams who had salary cap room and the need quarterback right potentially quarterback is san francisco was talking about trading you know before the draft trading jimmy and the three pick to to them but obviously that never happened. The list was pretty damn short mike about you. I was never really buying denver because the change in front office personnel didn't the draft is critical in this conversation. Right because once that passed and the wasn't done i think it was increasingly roaches would get moved but if it happened before the drive on draft night first night. I just can't see a new regime new front office in denver giving up the house for the next three years or whatever it would have been even our enriches it just it just felt unlike implausible to me and i don't think they would given up a big enough package to keep because the packers from their point of view the longer they kept him the higher the price scott. The greater the need would be as you came forward. The only thing working in denver was john. Elway and fall in love with aaron rodgers. Is he goes with many quarterbacks he might have wanted to pull out all the stops to bring him in but if one on the market by the way the elway discards club could get in a bus to indianapolis right now might not where the hell broke is if rogers wants a super bowl. Green is the best place for him they were. They were one bad decision by the coach. More or less from potentially getting to a super bowl you. They're not as bad as he was leading on. His receiving group is not as bad as he was leading on. They can use another receiver for sure. King had a terrible game against tampa. Obviously but the secondary's not anywhere near as bad as people thought they strengthen that so they've strengthened it. They could use. They could use a linebacker they had you know a draft and i think they'll be a little stronger there. They change defensive. Coordinators which is to me is very interesting because mike patents had a lot of success but but he's a guessing kind of guy. He's a risk taker. And when that goes right as didn't twenty nine thousand nine. They were top defense in twenty twenty as much less success when it goes wrong. It puts lots of pressure under secondary joe berry's of much more kind of control guy. You know he comes out of the comes out of the tampa system and rod marinelli's father-in-law's that detroit reporter who asked asks marinelli. If he thought he wished his started berry somebody else third berry was his defense and he'd never reported again buddy that but but berries worked in three four. So i think they'll be. They'll be kind of more set and that will probably help the defensive backfield and Do you think my on that basis then. A lot of people because of all the because of all the chatter juba a sleeping on green bay serious content defense they are. I think they absolutely are the lost. That bothered me. The most in green bay wasn't lindsey the center because they develop linemen really well and i think they'll have a solid line anyway but jamal williams simply because jamal williams is such a good receiving back out of the backfield. Not jones isn't but when you took him out and you put jamal williams in you. Had another guy who he caught like ninety percent of the passes thrown to and last year i think of kansas city when they have all that success raw rolling is out of the backfield hitting them downfield williams. Was that kind of guy. he's he can be replaced. Obviously but that to me was the was the lost at the worried that would worry me the most they could. They could use a blocking tight end. They could use another good receiver but they're solid team. They've got rodgers as i always keep saying. Was patrick mahomes. Before patrick mahomes came along. He's got that unique talent or now not unique because of mahomes but to throw the ball off balance from any angle moving one way throwing the but seeing receivers downfield and throwing accurately field. And you can't take that away. It always makes green bay a threat and davante adams. Now is back. You know the michael jordan scottie. Pippen being that he put up. But if you wanted me if you said to start a team. And i'll give you two wide receivers who do you want. I would take stuff on digs and devante adams not to me. They're the two best receivers league so that clearly ahead of what of hopkins of decay hopkins decay. What my second would probably be decay and kill. Are you thinking of them as a pair as well the pair. Yeah as it working together. Okay if you have hill with the right combination. He'll he'll you could consider the best. I think that the best physical package of anybody and and obviously is a threat. I mean it. Kansas city metcalf kelsey and hill would be would kill would kill you. D hop diop is is amazing receiver But i think he's more limited now at gates older than the other two Saulius still in the komo. Julio was you know a few years ago who donate jay. Green might have been my two choices for that. If he comes back fully healthy as guys tend to do they hit new team. So those little aches and pains. Yeah he's he's certainly in there. You know i think between between dickson adams they can do everything whatever kind of routes you want them to run over the middle deep middle middle field outside outs. They and they both run great routes they both get open no matter how hard you press them I just think adams is such a great talent that for he and he and rogers not to be play together. It would be a disgrace. We mentioned digs. And we've talked mike about the significant impact. That digs had on josh allen. Who obviously was gonna get better when you with the receiver like that. But i think many people expected that level of of progression year on year. Do you think the ravens have done enough in terms of what they've done at the receiver position something you and i identified last season as a clear hall similar to the one. The bills filled by bringing digs in. Is that enough. E fula marta progress. Maybe the degree but significantly enough year on yet. I'm alan alan's progress has been remarkable. An almost unprecedented for a quarterback with his back with his background and digs was a big part of that. And i think i think the offense was the other big part of it. I think they adjusted to him as much as he did. He adjusted to that often. State they tweak the offense to make his throws easier to figure out for him and and kept him in the pocket more and it worked really well with lamar thing and they have to decide at some point how much they involve the the receiving core now i thought bateman was a fantastic pick in the first round. I had him going to the ravens. I took the over under on on his draft pick. Based on my decision. He was going to the ravens. Good man he gives them that extra option. And the reason i like it. Is that what they miss. Last year was not so much. The wide receivers as the multiple tight end sets need another receiving tight end. Which was they had three times. They were playing three tight ends lot two years ago and what's his name went to atlanta and they never really did replace him. They let anders go. They didn't need him. But i think peyton and can do some of that same thing because he's a big strong wide receiver and they put in motion and brown is really good. There's really no question that they should be able to sammy watkins or the mixes well. Yeah and sammy. Watkins is funny because at every year. It seems like he goes to for team. And every year he comes up with the same sort of statistical package but he makes an impact he makes money does he have the same agent as cousins. God washy didn't read brings for that every time. You say kirk cousins. How washington mishandled briefest the background and we haven't mentioned that j. e. t. s. yet. Maybe a no i think. He decided that i was just boring him. He decided to go out and chase postmen or something. Something like that all the bills. Mike i know you want to talk about the possibility of the bills relocate. God they might be moving to austin buffalo bills in texas you by that. I mean not really i mean you know how this stuff goes said. The bill's turned into a good team. The owner immediately. He says okay. Buffalo football team better pay right now. They they've they haven't quite backtracked but you know they have tried to kind of squeeze out of some of the things that were reported but but not convincingly want the city to do most of the pay. It's a hard thing to ask buffalo. Which is not austin texas. It's not a boomtown in the in the sun belt buffalo's the suffering city in the rust belt and they'd been very loyal supporters that teams sixty It's hard to ask them to put up money when they have so many more pressing needs and making. The pergola is rich or richer. I should say And that's but that's the way the nfl works you know. And the league has money available for for teams that want to upgrade their stadium. So i should think that would be the first thing they'll sit down and talk about And but when you think about power balance in terms of the owners that control the room really in the nfl. And i'll be reading the book a about the patriots and fascinating. How cross got his hands on the patriots and the doll victor kiam side story raising it myself. I like this team so much. I myself but the it's interesting and of course this. Was you know a different era. Things have moved on significantly since since going across the godiva but a lot of the same principles apply and at the core of that of course is the control within the owner circle. Those owners that have the most influence that can bring people along with them right. So bearing that in mind and to what you said about buffalo's history buffalo's long standing relationship with the nfl. How much does that count. Do you think it in there is. It's interesting because i get the sense. Sometimes ralph wilson was go along guy. Ralph wilson almost kept the afl afloat one point by giving other teams. You know the the the money that he might have taken himself. You get the sense. The what the nfl likes. Best are the crunchies. The jerry jones who who think big who can build big and who make money for everyone. I put that in inverted commas. If you're not watching if you're not watching this craft was in the inner circle. But i don't get the same. Excuse me same sense that he is now. He was in the inner circle because he had. He was very media savvy and very good in terms of of how they handled that but remember craft threatened to move the patriots to hartford connecticut. Yeah right at one point and you. Con- was building a new stadium which is now a white elephant in football program is nowhere but they were going to build deal for the patriots as well and play their so everybody. Everybody plays the same cards. Because that's what you do get to get what you want. New stadiums since hitting muskie mike with they even if even if their motives are cynical or commercial. Would they understand the importance of keeping a franchise with the rich tradition that buffalo in buffalo. I feel that that's a for for for the of the show about. I take the point. But i think in the end money talks shield walks or shield lights money as much as as everybody else doesn't in the front office. I mean look at the chargers for example they kissed san diego goodbye with the. Nfl's blessing unfolded everything. They could to move oakland now in italy. Al davis had moved them to los angeles. And that bag. That was al davis right. Oakland is now in la in las vegas. The browns are in baltimore The houston oilers in tennessee. There there isn't a whole lot of tradition. They're the only team. I think that is traditionally. His tradition insulated against moving would probably be green bay. Right it would be. I mean who would be a candidate a dallas as robbers early. Yeah well dallas would be a candidate for moving. I mean it'd be nice. Okay because the markets the markets. Big and i mean green bee green bay and you can argue as a small market but but there are tv presence. And so they're they're. They're probably saved jacksonville. Every everybody's first choice to move. Not london being one of the destinations. You know most most talked about now. Glad you brought that up. So since we last caught up news of games in germany and you were caught a longstanding association with nfl europe and in coveted for many years and of course with the international series. You know you. And i'll be doing them since since the very right so we ought to be made of that announcement. Does this mean more for everybody. That's going to be games in germany as well as lots more for the uk. Do you think they're going to start to mix it up and it and split shatalov love what do you think. I think that's seems to be immediate plan. Because you know we're we're not going to have the four game right. The four game is probably going to go. it makes me it makes. It seems less likely that a london team is is coming over. Which i've always said i bought was if if everything fell right. Then maybe maybe within ten years of of whenever we started talking about it. But everything at this point hasn't fallen right kovin not the least of the of the unexpected consequences. But i think germany's a good market. I think it's instructive that the nfl is looking not at the cities that were begging nfl. Europe which was duesseldorf. Frank both of whom were getting over. Thirty thousand legit at their games and in hamburg came along the last couple of years he was getting over twenty thousand but they're looking at munich and berlin which are the biggest market cities right. And i think that's a sign of of their confidence that there is the market in germany. Not just in those cities but in the whole of germany because remember lynn's nfl. European never did very well at the gate but on but as television as national height machine as we saw in britain you know and it was easier in london because we had the office in london. Speak english the time differences one. Our last we had great tv coverage on more than one three networks started. Yes especially great on channel. Five abc bbc post postseason then channel. Four yeah well but you know. I think i think what they're doing is starting the process with germany hoping that they will have a to nation base in europe. Bob from the games will be stripped all games. Five game say two three in the uk. T. three and maybe or maybe two in each and one in another place. A germany were successful in the first couple of years. You might try game in vienna in avia mike onto them komo track try might try. Try game in dublin. Yeah those would say near like likely likely Likely spots for for game. So you know. I don't look at it as a negative at all from a fans point of view. I might my my feeling has always been. We get the best by getting different teams. In a mixed we get the best of the mix and and given that they're really going to insist that all teams play overseas one way or another. I think that works out better for the american fans as well because there is some domestic complaint about losing a whole game to go overseas and although lots of people believe americans only watched sport on. Tv nfl sells out. You know people go to the games around that is accentuated. Right there remember there. Yeah do you remember last year when some reporter said the bill. Belichick about playing in an empty stadium when you're long football career. Have you ever experienced anything like like playing in front of no fans and build. Tim practice a good. I might you mentioned covert and and i wanna get into that next and specifically the vaccination situation and the nfl which is interesting to say the least so players. It's not mandatory to take the vaccine and they're estimating now eighty also. Nfl players have taken it. So that's a big chunk that is yet haven't for reasons that are going to be in the coal beasley campaign seemingly a growing faction of players. Who are speaking out about taking it. Other members of the team on the coaching staff and front office and associated organization members have to is mandatory. And we've already seen a few coaching staff depart from their respective teams because they clearly anti vaccines are at least refusing to take it. So let's start with that division. Is it reasonable for the nfl. To say we'll play. It is up to you but coaching staff and similar. You have to take it. That's a good. That's a good question although they're not saying it's up to you to the players because what they're saying is if you then test positive your team could lose could forfeit a game that saying that. But it's not. It's not mandatory in that sense but yeah they're putting an awful lot of pressure the players to to see the light pressure critical. Yeah the difference between the two situations is that the players have the players association. And the coaches don't write the collective bargaining agreement gives the commissioner. Oddly enough. The right he could he could make it mandatory. And i don't think you know the the players association could anything about it but so he's backed off of that. Which i think is the right thing to do. Why because rather than bring it out into a full-scale confrontation that blows up. Yeah okay what. They're what they're trying to do. Is is to impress on everybody. The reality of the situation and doing it for the good of the team now obviously too many players are watching fox news and getting nonstop barrage of covert conspiracy vaccine conspiracy theories cogan kind of stuff and i mean to me the b not non vaccine argument is really flimsy and basing it on personal freedom is even flimsier but it's something people are rallying around. I saw brandon scherf washington give a press conference not just an interview. He had a mask on. He was keeping distance but he wasn't going to be vaccinated. And it's a personal decision. you know. I'm not convinced that we could actually argue. It's a personal decision when you have an easily spread pandemic disease because you're a decision. Obviously it's going to affect has the possibility of affecting lots of other people and we're arguing. Covert passports here but having gone to portugal you know. I didn't need a passport per se. But i did have to show a certificate that i'd had doubled united show negative test. I had to show negative just before i came back. I had to show a negative test. Two days. After i came back from our which i'm perfectly willing to do but it would be easier if i had a little card. That said i'd had the two vaccines rather than carrying around these vapors from the nhs with a barcode on it but that's the calls. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this concept the pressure that you brought up the nfl not saying to play. You have to have it. But as you say the consequences of not having the vaccination and then things are playing out which forces the to forfeit games and the pressure. Therefore that's going to be put on from all of that contemporaries out. Of course everybody else in the organization is that going to ultimately become the deciding factor that you think those. Let's look at the numbers right now. Twenty percent as of today recording. This approximately twenty percent haven't had the vaccine. Do you think that by the time we get to mid season and maybe a couple of these situations that played out. That number will be up to the high nineties. Is apple going to work. But i think i think it probably will. I mean what the nfl doesn't want is playing in front of empty stadium like they did last year movie games around during the week like they did last year. I think they're they're kind of saying we're going to have a normal season whether you guys like it or not and you're going to have to do what is necessary to give us a normal season now there are situations where you could test positive having been vaccinated yet trade. It's it's a small percentage but it happens. You might not be contagious at that point. You're probably going to be a symptomatic And people being back they'd have had major problems more with except for very few in terms of having caught quebec then serious symptoms. But it's it's such. It's such a minefield of labor law employment law. Like i said the commissioner probably has in in the Cba the right to do this. He's got the right. You almost anything he wants. You know by the cba. The teams Have obviously decided that they're going to go. Go with this with this. Pre this policy might get a wrap up by raising a gloss to two plays that we've lost since again since you and i lost caught up. I know that dementia patron mccollum earlier on. Let's get out another plug patriotic dot com slash mike. Fm a lot more studies from carlson on that. I know you've addressed an talked about the mall within your call him but obviously not on the pod. So let's talk about by alex gibson. Greg knapp yeah. Greg knapp fifty eight. He got hit by a car while he was riding his bicycle. at home and died and it really shocked. I'd never met him or anything. But from what i gather. He was incredibly well liked and his his coaching. History would bear out he came out of sacramento state as a player and he hung around the nfl for a couple years of quarterback and then as a coach i think he coast verner hip ler the german tight end who played for the chargers briefly and was in nfl europe but he had a long spell with the with the forty niners in the ninety s and into the twenty seven with jeff garcia briefly. You know working his way up from my quality control all the way to offensive coordinator and then went to atlanta in the michael vickers and had some success with mike vick and then he had a lot of years where he wasn't so successful. Remain oakland and seattle and matching wilson. Pre wilson seattle like. That's pretty wilson seattle but he wound up as a quarterback coach in denver when payton was there and then three years in atlanta with matt ryan. So that's a pretty easy gig. When you're peyton manning's quarterback coach you know gays was the offense coordinator. Look what it did for gazes reputation for and nap. Napa went from there to atlanta ryan's had had really good year last year. People ignore that because it wasn't a very good team and ryan had a pretty good year and he was coaching with the jets. As as a kind of you know without portfolio passing game coordinator kind of thing so he won't be obviously coaching with the jets now. But you know it's funny that his biggest success was first with running kind of quarterbacks in them with pocket pocket. Guys diametric opposites and i remember criticizing him like crazy both of his spells in oakland. And you know he got fired from both of them as well connected. Is that what you're suggesting right. I don't think so but you know but it's one of the it made me think that it's one of those things where you know we don't know these people personally and we're not intimately involved with all the stuff that goes on in the coaching room. The tape room and on the sidelines. So sometimes our criticism can seem a lot to To blase or author. Alice gibbs was another story because again i didn't know him but my criticism of gibbs was echoed so i felt justified by by an nfl. Europe line coach. I won't i won't go into names. But his team get lineman from the broncos and a couple of them became very very good players in the nfl lexus. Ben hamilton were both pro bowl offensive lineman but he told me that the broncos would call up jack now we know who the line coaches go and figure it out but and complain that he wasn't teaching the denver system. Blocking alex. gibbs was the master of the zone blocking run. And you think of all those thousand yard rushers that mike shanahan used to roll out air year some sixth row landis gerry anderson know terrell davis You know and get a thousand yards. That was all based on the zone. Blocking that alex gibbs taught ryan the runner had to be able to make one cut and go see where that whole was developing because it could be anywhere on the line because zone blocking. Is everybody pushing in one direction. And then finding the hawks right but what what. He didn't like about gibbs's blocking what i hated about. It was that they would chop bach guys from the back. And so if you're a center say and your zone blocking and the defensive tackle on your inside shoulder follows the zone down the lies. He's moving to. You're right you just take him out at the knees from behind. And that's a great way of breaking guys knees constantly and this line coach said to me. I've got guys here. Who are taking one last. Shot at the nfl. Young kids haven't been drafted guys who've been hung around for a couple of years without a chance. I'm not going to get. I'm not going to hurt some guy on another team. Who's doing that in for ten thousand dollars or whatever. They're being played paid. Nfl europe season so he would not coach that he would not coach the but the block from behind and that was crucial to the system and watching nfl games. I used to scream about it all the time because it wasn't technically illegal because when you're in the box you were allowed to make contact but but going low below. The knees was if not illegal at that point it is it is now it was. I thought unethical was a great line coach. We're and wherever he went. Lines automatically improved his his ideas on zone blocking and how it could be viable in a league which previously was mostly straight ahead man blocking know polls traps whatever but you defeated the guy in front of you. You didn't kind of move away and just go down the line looking for someone to block. I think he's when you talk about assisting coaches who probably deserve hall of fame considerations he and his own blocking scheme are almost as important as dick lebeau saying zo outlets on defense good. I'm mentioned you're caller. Might what else you've been writing about the checkout well. Not not so much. I've actually been working on a book of book of poems put. I've got some reviews coming up on on medium where you can just find me by name on medium and This is a book called nick. Which is a to the great gatsby. Which i've been meaning to write about and i've got to get got to get that done a soon and i've written a couple of things in the american and why have a monthly karla maritza magazine. But it's also online and my next one which i'll be writing next week is on my my football history in my love. Hate relationship with english football interesting. The sporty english call soccer and the americans picked it up from ma'am and the reason i i'm writing about i got incensed by the european championships at at especially at the final snow and the behavior the crowds and it took me back to my first specifically. Yeah well it in. London took me back to my first ever big football. I've watched you know high school and college soccer. Where where my friends were playing stuff like that but my first big football match was at wembley. In january of nineteen seventy-three the six against the three which was the six existing common market countries. Italy france germany and the three benelux countries against the three new common market members. Ireland denmark and great britain and alf ramsey was coaching One team and the german coach doesn't matter. I'll i'll think of it as soon as we go off air so the team was mostly german and the team was mostly english. But dino zoff was in goal for this for the six and pat jennings from northern. Ireland was in in goal for the three. Which is what i remember. The most and body charlton was running the game but he was like thirty six years old and he was just standing there and and in those days. Nobody touched you. You know you grow old shoulder. Charge was a shoulder charge. But if you had the ball in your possession you didn't have guys grabbing new jersey. Especially if you're bobby charlton more playing as well I think bobby moore was playing. And i don't remember off hand. A guy called jensen from denmark scoring the first goal on a beautiful pass from from charleston. Helmet shown is that they sure yeah. I was trying to think. Because i knew it's beautiful. How beautiful you know. Don't and i think if i remember right. It was a two one three one game but anyway so that was my first exposure and the stadium was only half four which should have thought taught me something about the common market. Jackson said many years later but at halftime my friend. And i looked around to see where everybody was going to you to the lou and no one was moving and i looked down in my beautiful one. Thousand nine hundred. Seventy three super cool cowboy boots. We're getting very wet. Petty drove because we were we were standing in the. We're standing in the behind the goal you know and it was yes he was just running it and i thought oh my god i wonder. What kind of country is this at. Fell gates of these cowboy boots costs and together so much. I'd never long gone now. They lasted a long time. They weren't they weren't like manley. Footwear kind of cowboy boots. They were They were kind of square toed. And you know relatively modest brown brown expose on them. No no wasn't a spurs fair. Man was inver- inverness inverness. This'll was my team. You remember that one We we were. We were doing for channel four channel. Five and. I'm trying to think of who doing it with. But i'd had all these messages. 'cause when inverness caledonian thistle beat celtic. I'd had all these death threats from celtic fans hundreds of literally. Yeah and and you asked me what was a fan. I said because we're up in on the same trip and inverness caledonian was playing inverness. This'll and we went along with twenty other people to watch the match. And i think it was keith webster's closer you a regular then success so they merged into inverness caledonian kissel. That became my favorite team. A fine choice quite a west time this season. I thought i'd look if what you're reading that piece on your love. Hate relationship with it was funny. I saw the headlines about canes girlfriend accusing him of fixing a playoff game. And i thought harry caine was fixing he was the guy at the chicago. Blackhawks pain the wrestler. That's he fixed match. Who bribed him a definite storyline. They should've should've rolled out causing great to catch up. So sports is where you can follow big man on twitter kalson's ports or cartons house imports. Yeah wherever you wherever you can just google my call and see what comes up. It can't be good to do that right now. The coffee so brilliant stuff from mike. He will be back very soon. You can count on that. And so we'll we because we're dropping episodes all the way through august check out a franchise focus specials college days rolling. If you haven't listened to that one yet. Ben isaacs getting you up to speed with the top college talent that you're going to be seeing playing in the nfl next season. So get yourself a ready ahead of the cub by listening to college days. 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Just Another Crazy Week

The Nat Coombs Show

53:30 min | 6 d ago

Just Another Crazy Week

"Welcome taku show. it's monday. We're looking back at all the action from yesterday's games. I and mike back in the house. In time to get into some suspect defensive performances some brilliance. The other side of the bull cut murray in particular. Stand up performance of the weekend from tom. Brady will have a lot to say about that. He racked up five touchdowns. Lamar and my home's going head-to-head so much to talk about what try and squeeze a few of your questions in two before we get out of dodge so let's get straight down to business and welcome to brennan on mike. I mike here. We are again in week to the nfl almost in the bag. Of course we're monday mornings. We got monday night. Football coming up. you've got a ton to get into you set. You look set. But i look set. Yeah a tough week. This is so far. This has been crazy crazy. Nfl and week. Two is the point of the season where every year i say i really feel sorry for the chargers and know either injuries or you know crazy things happening in their which is which of course this week about inching a good kick about kicking out against. That's always. oh yeah and that that. That always drives you crazy but my theory right now is that as the offense is in the nfl become more and more like college offenses adapt. They adapt to that stuff. That the refereeing in the nfl can't keep up with that and the changes that they've made both in in the rules but also more importantly in the interpretations which were not always aware of you know what has gone out to the we know we we hear about the things that are emphasized. But we don't hear about what the interpretations of individual rules are that their kid just on incapable of coping. Where and it's driving. It's driving me crazy watching watching these games with full of veto weird calls bad calls bisque loss to the point where i mean that that game with the chargers was a super blending. Oh twenty twenty penalties for one hundred seventy five yards. You know as back. This begs the question because he's one of your favorite subjects year on year the ambiguity of officiating in the at the fact that there in terms of the good bad the ugly. What was the carlson. Over-under on tweets may during red zone must not given four in the like. I said a friend of mine here. So i wasn't going to waste all might. He took the he ran and twitter. The twitter was spared. Was on this hearing over the next sixty minutes or so. So we've had some interesting officiating. I'm sure we'll get into that. And the chargers game in particular a real head scratcher. I think charges fan suitably agreed that. A lot of quarterbacks getting banged up as well give you the latest on that and what that might mean for that respective teams. That wilson the jets rookie probably wishing. He was banged up. Some of the yesterday's performance. We've had some interesting. It's upper of defense as well microchip verghese grandkids. Get your perspective on how big a problem is defense collective east for the super bowl contenders certainly a few teams that we had pegged going deep into the playoffs. So why don't you start that because it was a thrill as we expected a shootout as we expected sunday night football but interesting defensive performances for both the ravens and the chiefs of course the headlines. Lamar manages to take mahomes home for the first time in his career is the first time the ravens of beaten the asc rivals in five games. Of course the previous four on the bounds. I want to start with the ravens. Mike and in particular. How banged up they were. They had no ronnie stadium the line they were down to the street. Running back sean. Bateman the rookie. Receiver they brought in to feed lama. Of course is out. Jimmy smith marcus blah blah blah. More like amar feeds him not to be pedantic. We haven't cd players house live. We'll watch that keenly. Fep would look at wolf was as well th. They were banged up and then some of the most banged up team in the nfl. Right now. how many starts is they have out say given how short stack they were mike. How impressive was this ravens win. It was really impressive. You know there. There was a question mark. And and i hate you know the the take that. It's lamar jackson beating. patrick mahomes. You know but i mean i know we go back to pay manny brady in almost twenty years ago. Now thanks twenty. There's more to it obviously didn't quarterback versus quarterback. And what if you're looking at the quarterback but you always say the most influential position in any of course it is you know but still you know it Mahomes the biggest play of that game. I think was the interception mahomes through while being tackled none on it was i. Think a third and twelve and they were up by eleven Midway through the third quarter late in the third quarter. Because you have to have a certain amount i know he could make place and i know he knows he can make plays. We also have a certain amount of awareness that you're up eleven like that. Your defense is relatively well. You don't need to force things and that to me was absolutely crucial. Lamar jackson i think did pretty much. Exactly what the expected to do. In the circumstances the ravens a pretty good job. It's like you start. Wonder what team of my watching here with latavius. Murray freeman years. This as well right. Yeah but but you know. John harbaugh runs the. It's the same offense he ran in college. It's sort of the same offense. He ran when the ad cap in san francisco. You know they're running a lot of pistol. Sometimes it looks like an old single wing offense and and it works. And i think that the really surprising thing was that kansas city's depends on eight was unable to to stop that they had two hundred fifty yards rushing. And at some point with tara matthew back you think we pretty well prepared to stop that run game and matthew course tune receptions in the first quarter and you think oh this is going to be exactly the script that we were. We were expecting. So i like so so interesting. Start the jumped out. This is very spn. Jamison hemsley's the the journal. The ravens allowed wooden thirty points in their first two games this season. They've allowed thirty points now. Opening to get the first time in their history that three touchdown passes of thirty yards or more now. We've talked about the injuries. They've they have right now at show-bizzy you contribute to to that performance tab but kansas city with tyronn matthew back relatively strong in terms of fitness. Anyway who's got a bigger problem with that defense right now. Baltimore kansas city evening at last week last week i would have said baltimore This week it's almost a up but this was the kind of game where in effect you're holding a team under for under under five hundred yards. I think it was just under nine hundred yards of total offense for the two teams and basically relatively 'bout relatively balanced because you're dealing with two x. factors in that jackson's legs domes arms. Or two things. You can't really account or unless you're spying mammoth. Even it's a problem. And i think that that's also you know for baltimore. They they got away from their offensive line. Prob surati stanley primarily by formation and tight end backfield. Blocking in other words. they were they. Were going away a bit from that straight ahead kind of power game that they play the milwaukee lose a lot more sort of trapping and going to the edge and stop at it and it worked really. Well i thought the chiefs defense was was actually going to be better than last year and and it seems like you've got the same kind of problems and i don't know i'm much sure whether it's something that needs correcting or if just something that will get better as that defensive line plays together but they didn't look like a top defensive line which which you would think with your on read and frank clark and shown state they should be. What about that offensive. Because that was the big thing. They fixed the off season. How's that shaping didn't really look like it. Did it. And i think part of the problem is that when when you get rookies in there. You're a you're always going to have that kind of learning curve which catches you by surprise you know and if it's not week to week three or you know and they watch. Tv you know the nfl they watch the tape and see what the guys do. And what they don't do ben cleveland. I thought had a pretty rough game you know and for baltimore and for kansas city What's his name at center at an even rougher gabe. 'cause they're and they're running with to create humphry yet in even rougher and the running with two rookies on that offense. I wouldn't be surprised if dr tardif comes back into the at some point Quite quite soon just for the veteran said. But i think people also noticed that you can Speed rush on the tackles a neang and orlando brown. Good as orlando brown as. He's not the quickest guy He's got good feet but And the egg. I don't think is so far. Played like the guy who they think who. They thought he was going to be when they started up. I mean not that. He's bad but he's he's basically a rookie. He didn't play last year. May draft third round eight development needs a development in the deep end a little bit okay so concerning signs and we've got to put this into context. 'cause relatively speaking this is some exceptional offensive performances by individually and ultimately collectively. And these both these teams are going to be there. About of course come the reckoning but we all talking about those deep runs and how important this is going to be when we get into the series match up of playoff football on the ma in particular mica want your take on the the perennial discussion point around lima. Ever since he's come before he came into the nfl ever since he's being a pro. You had a hundred and seventy dollars in two schools on the ground. Coughing them up again electrifying and you identify we know what he can do with legs and it's even if you know it's going to happen doesn't mean you can stop it happening. What about progression is a possible because it still seems to divide opinion and we mentioned that were shelled. Bateman was was brought in this in the same kind of way that digs was given to allen. They were hoping that should that should help move him on. And of course shall not stefan digs. He hasn't played down in the nfl as we talked about iran. But they're hoping of course by giving him a bit more ammo that that will help develop him as as a party so it is a slow asterix against this question. But where are you on his progression. Apostasy buy into this idea that he's never going to be at the same evidence some of his contemporaries. I would agree basically. And that's been a question that goes back at least to back to bobby. Douglass bear run. I quarterback now. Douglas was bad passer just he had a really strong arm new zero accuracy as someone is great he could throw football throw a brick wall but he would miss the wall jamarcus russell level of y- you know you had a lot of guys like that Steve grogan passer not as good runner. But know and then. Mike vick was like the ultimate in that before before Lamar one of the things you have to be able to execute the short and it'll get you the first downs every time you know i mean no one. Does it every time you have to be able to think that you can. And that's why they got bateman to be a big x. Receiver to do some of the things. When they had the the three good pass catching tight ends. They were using them in kind of that. Same way slants. Quick pass is because the getting those first downs. What a quarterback has to do with consistency. Lamar still looks deliberate to me. In in his passing game in other words you know looking looking from read. Read an throwing when he sees the open rather than throwing the receiver opened anticipating. And you don't expect to be. Tom brady and we can talk about a couple of things. He did matt game unbelievably good but he he he needs to be just quicker with that passing and that would make the running game more effective if he can if he can drop back and hit hit the receiver reno without having to stop and look at him before before he before he does so which is is not to minimize is qadri. She made a couple of good throws. But i sometimes think his when you watch is most chinese. It's not the same all the time sometimes. It's kind of low off the sometimes it comes up. Yeah so. The mechanics may be still unsettled. Or whatever but greg woman gets a lot of flack. Doesn't he said this they work with. They've got you know and they decide that this is what decision they made when lamar was still there at the end of the first round of the draft and it was perfect. I if there's one team in nfl could take lamar jackson and inserted into a starting role quickly and win. It would be the ravens. John harbaugh because her like i said a few minutes ago. Harbaugh had the experience of this. This was a kind of quarterback that that he could. He knew how to us how to get the best fraud. And how to. And i'm not saying that in a derogatory sense harbaugh new that the kind of offense he ran was perfectly suited for the and greg roman. That's why he's the courtroom because he was in san francisco and it is a run first offense and big advantage in that in that game. Basically is time of possession. The ravens controlled the ball for. I think it was thirty. Five twenty five in that game and the best way to beat. Kansas city is to keep off the field right. Are that's how you control any explosive quarterback and so it worked in that sense. I mean i really think just should have won that game. You know that they. They let the raven stayed for too long. They were up by eleven for for a long period of time but the ravens earned it the hard way. And that's a good for them. The ravens certainly get rewarded for that go detroit on a short week next stop and the charges necklace for the chiefs. We'll talk about the charges in a bit. But want to to the titan seahawks game next a thriller in seattle and of course you can pay attention based on last week. That's the third. In the movie franchise make ride k. Back for that one out speaking coming back derrick henry. I love these games. Mike when henry is like it's david hall crates innocuous and A immaterial in the first off lulling bodas into a false sense security then just goes all on in the second of seattle twenty four nine up the half. An annual went nuclear one of the things. They seem to go back to tennessee. Having completely ignored it in for most of the first half in was the play action to those two things. It's highly connected. Once henry is going off then they can really lean on ed or speed obama head-scratching why they have moved away from the early on. It's been effective for the last couple of years. I thought a week one that they did it deliberately because they figured the defense would be keying on henry and therefore they were going to jump. Jump the gun on apple. You're right. tannahill is much more effective off. Play action always has been. You don't want you don't really want have to play a drawback game with him and i mean to play. Action is not dependent on your having a good run game necessarily because the defense still has to respect the fake to certain extent. But when you have derek me back there they certainly have to respect it more than most teams and it was weird. Because i thought i thought seattle had been checked pretty well in the first half and he had about forty eight fifty yards. I think You know running just not that effectively and was it. Romo doing doing the game Put his finger on it. At when henry busted the first run. They're tiring the defense. And i'm not sure if they if mike rebel isn't aware that they can't really run henry thirty five times every game but if they can the odds are he's going to break one or two runs you know he just. You can't keep it bottled up. And what will work against that. And why they got off in the first game is that if you're down. Twenty four nine most teams cannot run the ball. Because you have to show and that's how you take ten. That's the key to beating tennessee. Is you get you get ahead of many. Make them throw and become one dimensional. That's what happens tennessee. Last week they became one dimensional berry early in the game and this week i think they just made a decision. In the second half that we're not going to be one dimensional. Ooh it's tough because their defense sucks that defense socially their past defense read it to that because much much-maligned defence jokes maligned. Much me even more. Mike's piled it on them but everybody weighs in on the. It's an obvious concern again if we're looking at contenders here in the afc specifically That yet fine. They should have enough in the locker to make the playoffs. But cannot handle the ravens offense the chiefs office but the pressure they put on on russ in overtime third and ten depression that they managed to get on him which which i decided shifted momentum. Very much back in their favorite. When was almost a safety in overtime. That was an impressive set of thousand impressive impressive performance by them. So is there hope. Is that a light at the end of the tunnel. Titans day that that. That's you know it's a good take on it. Because i think what they decide to sell out on rush because they're sector coverage was doing so badly So therefore okay. Let's beat him and that split. Let let's take the risk on that. And and that's tough. With russell wilson russell wilson can beat your blitz you know and and they had a couple of real coverage breakdowns. But you know in in the sense. Seattle really had big big. Plays a big chunk place. Where were the offense in that. Game and brilliant ones and tennessee benefited. I thought jamal adams penalty in the overtime was like just tomorrow adams. Titans party is no great shakes. What about seattle's spots might where you on. That trey flowers had a bad always. If that's the qaida flowers had a bad game. Julio toro apartment right read the other guy on the other side. Aggregate dominated. Aj brown aj brown looks like his older brother is bigger the brother. I don't think i don't think they generate the kind of that they need to basically bobby wagner is too much a factor in in the past game you know. They really depend on on him. He had a great game. I mean he was. He was everywhere. But you don't really want him. You don't really want him to be everywhere but it was to the point where they know if if you're if you're going to chester roger your guide overtime. The defense is doing something right. Hey we got a tweeted. Thanks those getting in touch with us at the nc. Show mike and try and do mailbag. Oh peppering your questions. On on the monday show. This one's from auto thanks. How bad and this is theme. Think you wouldn't see might given your opening gambit. How bad was the officiating in the seahawks game and he specifically says that play. i referenced. The moment ago they didn't call the safety at the end of the game should've been cooled. I thought so. Yeah i'm not sure. I'm not sure why it wasn't. They seem to not wi calling safeties. This is one of those double secret probation. Kind of mike pereira things but yeah again let me go back to the basic reason why the nfl rules are so awful. Come on even. Though they're they're written by their written by lawyers who can't right. I think basically because it was the only way that mike pereira could generate work for himself in retirement. So that you know now everyone's gotta have a rules analyst because the only people who can analyze the rules are the people who made them up in the first place. I'm gonna have a long and very clear chat with all the producer and insists that we get mike pereira on this show this sort of christmas jr. I just want to see if you would. You would throw that out josh edwards. Hey josh got touch this as well. Enc shirt twitter. Facebook installer and installed take talk. Mike might be lead to tick talk that right. So that'll be today. Hey i would watch fob or the plenty of talk is d- believe josh in the theory that refs throw makeup flax and they know that they've been there early in the game yet. I mean not always but yes you can almost see. There was one that i noticed watching red zone Josh bag josh. Joshua references the dallas cowboys will move onto the to the dallas charges. Game now he says dallas stiff last week in lucky this week. Did you feel that duckie. Twelve penalties for ninety nine yards for further charges. As you mentioned earlier on they were racking them up not altogether accurately or perhaps fat. But do you think that something to do with the the makeup component. It might have been that game. Were were the one that i thought was a makeup in fairness you know. I thought that that herbert should have been called for safety as well on the sack at the one yard line or at least for intentional grounding or both yeah it was kind of like the debate that was going on over the taunting penalty after the illegal shift penalty because dallas had to decline the taunting penalty because to accept it would have been to accept the play had happened. It didn't happen because it was an illegal share. Talk to you. And this is the kind of this kind of lsd world that we're operating and let's also get this one out of the way right away. stopped emphasizing anti taunting. It's is ridiculous. I i said directed tweet during the game. That widened gruden get a taunting penalty. When he was screaming at the back. Claws all against the raiders. That's what he did to really awkward chest. Bumped with some kind of flack. But that's gonna five unnecessary embarrassment. Like wedding well. Hey probst leg. Trump wants to. when are they going to stop calling. False start offense defense. Can't dot right exactly. There's there's a lot of them likes one of my favorites. The i wonder whether when they start to call it. You know how. I hadn't even noticed this but one of my kids pointed out that i had realized that satin is when you got directions. Wrong often say please. I'd rather polite absolutely the head unsurprised. You probably my thing. I think so and i think Jameis winston like where they have on the wrist with plays off. They could put on there. Then that would identify the open. Receiver a low blow but maybe maybe fab. Well we'll get to that performance it. Admit it but jumping around here. We had it by the charges cowboys game. Lego trump packing business because he was a whole ton of cowboys fans wanted. Cut off the last escape right. The fact the hit and miss affair last time out. Green missed chick shot in that one but he seal the deal this time of fifty-six yada and as we certain by no means chip shots not routine a tool fifty-six yada which gave dak prescott his eleventh fourth quarter win of his career. But do you think mike that the officials and indeed the charges desperation to throw this one away what we should be king in here. I mean i want to say that the charges were kind of hamstrung herbert maids. I mean he made so many great place and their defense played really well. I mean you know. Everyone went crazy last week when deck deck. Through for so many yards. Yeah but you he. Over the over the past few years he's tended to run up lots of yards because the cowboys defense was so bad and they were playing for behind and had to throw the ball a lot. I think the difference here was they. Were running the ball really well against charges but the charges past. He played a brilliant game against. You know what is a good set. Receivers on the on the cowboys. Running game zeke. Watch because that's inevitable. Now because since he being paid and he had a pretty abject season last year of course despite the fact he had no dark an offensive line was in a rubbish team. But everyone's zeke is done. All those people say that he had a good game. Seventy one yards on sixteen and a touchdown across but again stoldas thunder. He had a more effective game. One hundred and nine on thirteen carries the collective that hundred eight hundred yards between him to the ground. Game is rolling. Where you on the zeke. Paula dynamic and i liked what they're doing. I think that that kind of works mike. Because i think zeke is probably a better receiver But i don't know if you would want to change that attorney him into what their dow back i think pollard gives them that change of pace. You can't afford to do is to make it too obvious that you know politics. And he's going to run the ball or whatever so they did they did. They did throw him a bit. What he he's he's quicker. He's basically a one a quick to the whole and get through it kind of one more one cut kind of runner. That zeke is who's more of a sort of pick pick for the whole so If one or the other isn't working than the you've got a shot at both i can. I can always live with with shared. Roles zeke with chadrel's well that's always the question you know because they when you're sharing a role makes you less. Like did he get the big money. But of course zeke's already got the money to the banks fat fat baby boy to that cynical as it might've been game. There was also a facemask penalty on a field goal. Block some weird things. This weekend i was having trouble keeping trackable of all wheel. That's the thing. That is ease of freight train of course and we all doing this monday morning. So there is a lot lots of the cowboys deal. I wanted to get your opinion on them. Might because no democracy doors low brandy gregory the big mover courses my capacity rookie moving to end. We had played that since high school apparently was told mid week. That was what was going to happen. Any stepped up. I mean he seems to be a good football player and he rushed they use to penn state on the edges. You know as well as they did. Okay is a linebacker. He wasn't playing defensive end but there there were there were times we need pass rush and he showed could could pass rush to that. I mean it wasn't a huge thing for him and you don't want him trying to set the edge Against an offensive tackle for olympic game. But he's a he's a tremendous football player. And i i wondered about the drafting of him but Because they were linebacker was not necessarily a position of need for them but what he's enabled them to do is be great. And you know everybody makes the thing about gregory and lawrence being out but when gregory lawrence or does every who worries about them really are they. Are they kind of pas. Pass rushers teams really have to gain plan around or are they just guys who do get sacks at art threats but are relatively limited all around if i if ready gregory said the game i run. I'm serious i know you are. I mean i'm. I'm laughing. Because i love a like that fight. But are you saying they're overrated a somewhat. Yeah because they get cowboys. Maybe jerry's paid them big money because they've racked up sacks but has either been to a pro bowl and lawrence has i think lawrence must've done. I think he has pro. Hasn't i don't think that that's my experience. it's close but no cigar carlson. He's was second team all pro but he asked me to. Two pro bowls bro. Okay so you know. I would put him. It's like second level and ready gregory's a step below that in terms of the the elite pass rushers of the league or defensive ends but you know one trick he would be. Ideally he's a passing down sky basically. And that's that's useful but still. I don't think they're being out is as huge as people make out for it to be except except in the sense that ballast seems to depend on that. You know. that's what it's kind of the idea is kind of built around. Yep fair all right. Let's talk more lake kicking drama in the the vikings cardinals game. Jeez yeah greg joseph. He missed an extra point earlier on the bad day at the office. Here mr thirty-seven love. What he's he's coach. Mike zimmer set off to the game in the press is has about the should've easy one zim jimmy. remember a couple of years ago. Zimmer cut daniel carlson this after his second game in the nfl because he missed a couple of bad kicks in the raiders. Didn't you and daniel daniels carlson in football today. If grows too bad. They missing that paul allen play by play announcer. This is doing the rounds. Now you might have seen on social. He called the kit good. He recalled the kit goody. Yeah and we've had these like this not having a pop. But why why the reason mechi i loved what happened next the guy alongside him in the booth. There was a pause. The guy said it's it's no good then allen said you kidding me apart when you reminded me. Of course. i'd mike of the ledger caper. The court was you. That's cruel. That's very tenuous connection fudge. Should a couple of seconds. It's no good. You know the best thing that minnesota game was for me was nick vigils revenge. Because you remember that fumble at the goal line and nick mitchell recovered the fumble but he didn't get both feet down right and and scroll. When did this become like forward passed to me. I mean and i understand that the rules there because the ball was in the air. Whatever but to me if you recover a fumble and you're not out of boundary in You don't have to have both feet. You shouldn't have to have both feed in to recover. A fumble should botha qualifies what is inbound. So it doesn't it. Yeah but i mean if the ball will if if fumble on the ground the rules completely different you know it would go to the guy who had possession touched it even so making come down with fee just because the fumble was still in the air seemed to me excessively cruel. But then he got his interception and touchdown later later on so. I looked at that as nick. Digital's revenge i like. I like nick mitchell at his brother. They're both. They both do a lot with little as they say. And don't forget in that game. Matt prater kicked a sixty two yard field goal which had leg. I mean he's record older. But you know that one was would have been good from sixty five okay. Kyla was brilliant of course and miranda them more one cuyler and rendezvous maury. It's like it's like still putting with to jv highschool game and pull these guys off. Love it myself. I love what she get bit speed. News was it was like why koichi grocery forever. What around where i mean we love. We love a ridiculously early. Mvp debate let's go. Let's drop it in week. Two f. people are. I think that's an interesting. It's an interesting debate. Because colin murray the whole offense is obviously cuyler merged. yeah More so than lamar jackson even in baltimore and they depend on it. I mean i think there should be a word to the guy who's feet route twice as fast as anybody else's it's like it's like the rest of the yield is moving in slow motion. Kyla worries beaded is speeded up. And and he's taking two steps for everyone and the little guys with big helmets. It's like a video game and this was great because emma arizona. Whatever you're saying about college football right at the start of the show. Minnesota arizona was like watching texas tech against oklahoma state. You know it's big. It's big eight football big twelve now football defense. We don't even know stay right down. Defense is as i represent. Top is so interesting interesting. it's a defense. A minnesota gist two out of ten on down. Not good enough you a pretty down on them last week. I mean gave it a good a good fight. It could stop against the cards. But they're now they've got seattle and cleveland next. We close to their season. Maybe being done. I mean is the i gave them a little bit too much credit this week in fairness they they should have won that game. They should win the game. Yeah i thought. Mike zimmer had built the defense backup but defenses are vulnerable in current nfl. And i think they're going to have a severe problem. I thought they did enough for offensively. Certainly to two women feeling in jefferson but they need iran lebron. They need that third sieber and if cook is out for how long cook out results of the ma right were. But if he's out they've got us here. I mean madison's a good back. He's one of the best backup. So i think the league but they really. He's depend on him official just on the the battle in the nfc west. And what we've seen from the college. So far and i guess looking at what we saw last season and of course a brilliant first half of the season for them and for calamar in particular and then it all wet south and of course mars injury was was a significant part of that. You seeing significant development progression that will give the qods faithful. There cost isn't they can get out this tough division or is it or is it as you mentioned earlier on mike. He's free starting and free wheeling and that's great in bus but already be sustained throughout the course of a whole season. Yeah that's probably the outstanding question. Somebody was saying that you cliff cliff. Kingsbury is still running limited passing tree as the to use zairo kind of language in that there are fewer options for the receivers than than in most nfl passing offenses because they depend on burrito to sort of. Keep the play alive to the point. I think more the more the more time more sees out there. The the more more different rate with him roots. You'll see they'll be able to to be more diverse Because what you would love to see again is for them to be able to occasionally move the ball down the field without having having to scramble for yards or or deliberately one for yards. But but that's that's going to be a tight edition and if you will be like seattle will be kicking themselves about the tennessee game if they come into sort of week. Twelve one game behind arizona. Great point The bucks keep rolling grow. Keeps rolling yet. Eight catches ninety outs two touchdowns five on the day for brady as well so we are a hundred two for brady. The first gronk touchdown was a perfect example of what tom brady could do. Including he stood in the pocket and took a hit to make it happen but he saw where what where the rush was coming and he saw what the defense was doing. What what defense. They ran which was basically a tampa too and he knew the gronk was going to be open. He's going to have he was going to have man coverage from from the safety one side it is. How would boil down so he kept looking straight down the middle. The rush was coming at the last instant he just turned in by an fired it to gronk knowing he would be able to make the catch and when thursday and he knew all that the plan was for the ball was snapped. He knew all that all that was going to happen. Basically and this is the difference between him and why he can play at forty four. And a lot of other quarterbacks. In like when i was talking about lamar to kind of see it happen before they get it. And he's not the only guy he said but it was a great illustration of it Yeah i was a bit tampa. Took their foot pedal. Matt ryan was playing. You know hard really hard trying to make things happen. But then mike edwards the fourth quarter. There were a number of really good defensive backs who came out of the kentucky two years ago and edwards was one of them so it was kind of nice to see it. Make a couple of plays or the one of those options olympic volleyball. They'll say he'll get the bonus for that. Yeah that was cute because also there pretty banged up in tubs. The defensive backs. Sean murphy bungee. Of course. Carl davis hammy issue. Davis had a bad game mccombs during issue right at but he also needs to control. Or i mean he's not jamal ahead abc's he's the cornerback he you know. He had a couple of bad penalties and didn't need to be taken. But then everybody would. Nowadays what i want to follow the theme through a little bit which i think is reasonable to apply to the bucks while because you say they they. The falcons got back into this. And i don't know we thought and we're seeing that this falcons offense can be dangerous that got too many weapons with ridley. pits at on oversee. Matt ryan still got some time not to not to roll through the season without causing some damage but the way they go back into this game and and the yardage it and ultimately the points they stacked up. Is this again. A slightly lopsided box team seeing because women look here the contenders going into the season. They appeared the most balanced all. Twenty two starters returning yadda yadda yadda and of course they've got a real identity defensively that maybe other teams don't have to the same degree basically so that should should we worry that there are a little bit top the offensively. The defense isn't stepping up as yet. No i don't think so. I think you know. Atlanta took advantage of a couple of breaks that help them offensively others call again shack barrier. For being offside when he wasn't That i think there's going to be solid again. Defensively teams will be attacking the secondary. Because that's if if they have a weakling that's probably what it is but the strength upfront. then it allows them pretty much to play nickel whole game because they got a solid four man front and and they've got to excellent linebackers. Who can play the whole game if they have to. You know inside insider announced they drafted new can do the same thing as a backup and todd. Bowles is just so creative. I keep going back. I did it all through the super bowl. When he was with errands at arizona and arizona would finish like a made in the west. But they'd be doing it with nobody a quarterback and their defense would be keeping them in game say they will always beating seattle for years run the but they did really well in seattle. And that was bowls. You know mixing up those defense. You got sue playing and you know you got linebacker inside. I love watching that stuff. I loved watching that game worse called this week. That's get one in quickly. The fully special. Nick serianni they get they. Get the hurts. Hits watkins like ninety one yard gain. They got first of all three times into into into the line and then the phillies special. Sorry phillies special stuffed. Ah that ones that seven points in the bank then come back to governors. Like what the hell just happened. That did he see. Go back to the dallas game. Mike mccarthy blaming the clock in stadium for why twenty seconds before we go. This is the clock in the brand new five billion dollar stadium. Whatever wasn't wasn't working is amongst the spirit excuses about jerry. Jones will buy him a new watch monday morning on his desk. That will be sitting. Just a quick mike before. We get out of dodge on on quarterbacks other quarterbacks that we haven't reference yet or at least not much detail. So zach wilson of course had a had a nightmare. Isn't it funny. Sam darnold played well. Anzac wilson played. Like sam darnold putting with the jets. We're seeing isn't it funny. The only opera. Jesus bang on the money with h. russia of course and all of our pasha's in the vault. Go and check out wherever you listen to this and you can find him The the obvious limitations and problems that young quarterbacks have against bill belichick right so should firmly. Keep that front and center in our minds when we we rights elves wilson off the two games football. No i. i think might think they've got. I mean it's it's it's another case of guys being what they are. You know what what people said about them coming out of coming out of college. He's got a learning curve to do he of the the five guys coming out he would probably have been in my mind the least likely to step right into a starting job. You know the one that would benefit the most from the a year either on the bench although fields is kind of because he was He had that good year at brigham young. But there were. There were kind of holes in his game and the oppositions not as good as as some teams would would be fields. I think you could make a sort of similar argument right and we saw from fields was was like mitchell. Trubisky was playing mitch to some knees with no trouble at all for buffalo was impressive But eddie don't did you see his injury. It was like he was skipping on the sideline and then just fell down. And so. I don't know what's what's wrong with him Baker mayfield was hurt But he kept playing he. He's heard making a tackle. So i figured if he can't throw the ball they can play him at safety. That will be fine. Enjoy that too is ribs of a they cost and wentz. Who's looking more like prince. Harry rolled his ankle. So i i it's it's a sprayed of some sort probably so i don't know what what the book will be on him to a won't play well ribs. Can i mean it depends on. How bad tyrod. Taylor obviously won't play on thursday but apparently that was just a hamstring. But i mean he had the play of the game the weekend the best player i saw where he pump faked. He did like a. You know rolled his arm around with the ball and then took off on on the office side running and they were playing really well while he is a quarterback and then days hills came in and obviously too much. No not so much. I mean but there's a rookie. You weren't expecting to play and boy did he. Looked like davis mills. Chianti blindside on him as well. The grant help it sack on. Oh yeah lot. Yeah pits back. That was that was and it was surprisingly as the as the announcers grabbed right away and then they showed the replay illegal. You know perfectly legal good area lead with his shoulder. he went shoulder-to-shoulder. Just doesn't the noise was incredible. And if we're looking like a rookie quarterback zach the mac kind of exactly mac. Mack jones is to best plays the game were the block. He threw on a reverse that they set up and he was like to visit. And when damian harris had like the run of the weekend where he broke how many tag jet tacklers was it. Half a dozen. and then they. He's like at the two yard line. And they start forming. The the the mall to get him over alaska. Who pushes him over. His batch quarterback comes piling again to do it. I said that's the kind of quarterback. I wanna have makes it so it was a good week. I think james is james turned into jamesy again And i think we we should also give a couple of props probably to the chicago. Defense for bringing sam bringing Joe burrow back back to back to the ground sort of They they played well enough to win even with with justin fields. There you know if t higgins holds onto the ball better maybe the ab cincinnati does geraci stepping up as well again and he's looking had a big had the big play buffalo. I i've i've picked them twice two weeks in a row going under and both times one and and paid off. So that's been good. And i do hope you had the over on fifty five and a half city baltimore. Ninety-seven bike ride added. Looked like the craziest bringing stuff. Your next column patch on dot com slash. Mike cost f mta. That'll be dropping this on friday if you like my referee go back and read the last one i discussed. 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Hilary Duff Calls Mother-in-Law After a Fight With Husband, No Cops Charged After Killing Breonna Taylor Sparks Protests - Daily Pop 09/24/20

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Hilary Duff Calls Mother-in-Law After a Fight With Husband, No Cops Charged After Killing Breonna Taylor Sparks Protests - Daily Pop 09/24/20

"Welcome to daily pop. It turns out Hilary Duff is not afraid to fight dirty. She just revealed. She has a secret weapon when it comes to arguing with her husband and wife his mother. All right, that's right. Hillary says, she's super close with her mother-in-law and Whitney Cummings podcast good for you. She reveals that she's so close, but even calls them when she fights with her hubby Matthew. View and his mom get along really well, so on the way over here when we fight I call her what does that all the time all they get to work and she's like and I talked and yeah, so what a name of a ream his ass for like I'm calling Rhonda. Yeah. She's the best she's not to let therapist so like I I'm not the therapist and mother-in-law going to love this. Rhonda gets a special shout-out. Okay. Do you guys think it's okay to call your partner's parents during a fight after fight involving them in any way. First of all, I don't have a partner and second of all, I'm not engaged to one of the most famous therapists in the world Chicago. Let them handle this one. I literally I love that this I was like, where are we going with this and then I was like, oh welcome to your life. Okay, so I do I could see a world in which eventually down the road. I could call Robin and say he's acting crazy. You need a Wrangle this boy, but I just don't think there's going to be an instance where that happens. But I definitely feel like we have the type of relationship where it could go. That way just isn't there yet. Does that make sense? Right you need to have that relationship. Naturally, you can't force it because the end of the day this person is still their mother and when you leave or break up potential Monday, they go with them you don't know for sure but I think people aren't relying on the moms enough and I'm saying this this from research purposes I'm saying don't call her down you have an issue but look at her when you have an issue. If your man can never see your side in the argument. That means that his mom let him get his way all the time off. If your man throws tantrums, that means that his mom just pacifies him all the time. And if you're made as a boob guy, that means that his mom breastfeed had him for three years longer than she should have birth. Look at them all the research. I mean, I do utilize my mother-in-law when needed I'm not above that at all not for like big fights. It's for things like, you know, I'll just you know me. I'm just passive aggressive. Nonchalantly say something like that. Yeah Shannon to fix that. You know, I don't know. I guess it's been like two months. I really wish we had it cuz it would have really helped and she's like oh and then she'll immediately chant. Why don't you done that? What is your problem fix that? But let me ask you a question. You call your mother-in-law to get involved in your fights what happened if you mother-in-law called you and said, well Shannon told me about what you did and do the other day and I think you should do that. How would you accept that? Oh, you know that would suck longer in doubt. Throw me off my game. That's for sure. I don't know I try to be open to criticism, but it's hard. Good night. That was good. That was open it off. I appreciate that. But she said, you know criticism depends on my mood just depends on how she says it the way she says it and the substance of what we're talking about. Right? Like if it's a personal matter, I will totally back myself up. But if it's something like, you know minor then I'm like, okay. Yeah. Okay. We'll get that refrigerator fine. I'll let you have it. Yeah. All right moving on to Prince Harry Meghan Markle. Should they lose all of their Royal titles Piers Morgan think so and it's all because of their video message on ABC's time 100 special when the bad outweighs the good for many whether we realize it or not in a Rhodes our ability to have compassion and watch t to put ourselves in someone else's shoes because when one person buys into negativity online, the effects are felt exponentially it's time to not only reflect put act this election off. I'm not going to be able to vote here in the US but many of you may not know that I haven't been able to vote in the UK my entire life as we approach this November. It's vital that we reject hate speech misinformation off online negativity in an article for the Daily Mail. Says that video was Harry and Meghan crossing a line by diving into Politics as heavy briefly mentioned Royals must remain politically neutral. Of course, we all know Harry and Meghan left the royal family, but they actually still have quite a few World titles. For example, they are still the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. So you should they lose all of their titles if they're going to weigh in on politics in any way. Oh man. I Really Ever there's always just something new the second you think this is going back home down. I mean first of all, why does Piers Morgan care so much. They're not. Yes. They might have type job. I know but every we get it I know but they're not active members of the royal family as you walk. Icarus says they have quit now. I understand that they have titles but those titles at this point. I mean, what do they even mean? I mean they don't get to do anything with them. They're completely self-sufficient financially. I think that they feel like it's important to change address that it's important to vote and yet they're allowed to do that. They're living in America Megan is and has always been American. So I mean, I don't know first of all, I don't think they're going to lose their titles. I think the queen is is definitely going to bed. She's definitely bending some, you know, traditional rules for them. Yeah. I mean appears I typically roll my eyes any time he ever has anything to say about anything but at the same time his job is to criticize them and this is something which I guess yes calls for criticism because even though they're message in this video was hey go vote. It had a slant to it right of who who they suggested to vote for political. I mean agenda here and they do have a lot of weight. I mean a lot of people listen to a Harry Meghan have to say for sure. Well, you know, maybe Can't vote but they live in America. They're going to have to pay taxes and he's going to vote. It's the the road to say it's so I mean, I see both sides. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I guess this part so make off and made an appearance surprise appearance on NBC's America's Got Talent last night. She filmed a good luck message for a contestant Archie Williams who is one of the show's finalists. She really is embracing being back in Hollywood. This is a little shocker to me because of all the things that I thought we might see Megan appear on I love you a GT, but this is not one of them. I didn't either a GT is run on which is owned by Disney. We saw that this woman is back here. She is trying to work. This is called working the scene and getting your face out there because guess what honey, you just bought a 14 million dollar house. This green juice in Montecito is expensive plants are not going to order themselves. So if you got to put money in your bag, I don't care how you suck. As long as you're paying taxes, I'm Gucci and we can't really complain or be surprised about it. I mean we knew that they were moving back and this was eventually what they were going to get into. So I think we're going to start seeing Megan in these different formats more often times and not wait. What's that? Hold on. I'm getting fired. A GT is actually get that money girl that money cuz I'm just about to lose it. That girl that was not your fault but usually make a say what the shows are. Okay, the one time they don't got other things on my mind Brianna. Okay last name, is that right? Everybody? That's what we want to talk about. So he motions of course running so high across the country today after no officers were charged directly related to the killing of Brianna Taylor took testers hit the streets after the news broke the grand jury indicted a former police officer on three counts of wanton endangerment for firing into neighboring apartments and the other officers were charged and Louisville, Kentucky where Brianna was shot the protests took a violent turn to police officers were shot and suffered non-life-threatening injuries. A lot to unpack here. How do you feel about all of this? Both of you? The saddest part about all of it is that I am not shocked that this happened. I'm in shock that I'm not shocked and whenever you look at the footage from the night before or two days or four and they're boarding up downtown and they're putting road blockades before the verdict even came in something that was honestly supposed to be stay hush-hush between jurors and a judge. You just know what to expect. You know, my people understand what to expect and that's the saddest part. Yeah, and what's really sad to me is that, you know people on the internet and Instagram often go to this thing where they say. Oh, well, you know, this person was a bad person. We shouldn't be making this person a hero this twenty-six-year-old woman was a front line worker who was doing the most legal thing that an American Canyon. She was sleeping and getting ready for work and people barged into her home and shot her and there's Justice for the wall of her neighbor before there's Justice for her. So you're telling black Americans and black children that your life is less valuable than a plywood wall. Yeah, that's what the issue is. And I know we have to go to break and we're going to be back cuz I know we have a lot more to talk about so you guys join us. We're going to keep this conversation going. Welcome back to daily pop as we mentioned before the break. No officers were charged directly related to the killing of Brianna Taylor protesters hit the streets across the country celebrities like George Clooney Oprah Winfrey and Alicia Keys are all speaking out Kentucky's attorney general warned people not to be influenced by celebrities and social media influencers off. So he says don't understand the case and their Community but George Clooney who's a Kentucky native wrote an open letter saying he is quote ashamed of this decision off, you know, you and I all three of us have had such open conversations about this. What are you guys think when you see something like this after six months of trying to get jobs or somebody? Yeah. It's obviously not served. The whole thing is outrageous. It's outrageous. It's insane and the contrary to how you felt. I'm still shocked and maybe that's my whiteness wage. That I'm still shocked that this didn't Justice wasn't served here. I really thought it was going to be and I saw that it was not gonna happen and you know, and I've been following the case. It's just shocking to me that It ever happened. Honestly, I have to say that there's no justice served. I I kind of have to second what what Justin said, I'm not shocked at all and to put it pretty blatantly and off early. If this was me there would have been Justice served if I was if I was shot sleeping in my bed. All three officers would be their licenses would have been revoked. They would have never been able to be police officers. Again. They have City wage had to pay my family a tremendous amount of money. Like we are not treated equally and yesterday, I mean, I just didn't I we spoke a lot about this before we started the show this morning and we kind of got into a little bit of sort of the racial Justice is yesterday with stassi and everything and I said this to you before the fact that stassi Schroeder has had more of a negative impact to her life off. Okay and has lost every stream of income because she made some ignorant horrific comments and I'm sure she's ashamed of and the police officers who killed and shot somebody while she wage Sleep in her own residence that she pays rent for okay walk free with not a single problem in site can still continue to make money can still connect to pursue the job but they've trained for it is effing bananas. But this is way this world works. This is why people are calling for police reform and I'm going to let you guys found something the person who brushes my hair in the morning for two seconds every day had to go through 1600 out 1600 hours of training before he could touch a follicle on my head, right and police officers go through less. Yeah the end of the day I want to urge everybody. I know November 3rd is coming up and yeah, you guys should get to the polls. But also when your local channels, and your District elections come up and your state elections come up, I want you to Google the people who are running for those offices and I want you to look at what they said or didn't say wage. About what happened to Brianna Taylor McClain are George Lloyd Wright? Those people stay quiet throughout those whole things your answer is deafening. Yeah and did not want those people presiding over and making decisions about your life. That's a question that you have to ask yourself because that woman was twenty-six years old that could have been your daughter and that could have been your thoughts true. We'll be right back to you guys. Growing Pains, it's just been very it's been a very rewarding show because of the type of show that it is family show that parents like to see they like their kids to watch because it represents something very good life. It's just a family that is like every other family but the family that that works it works and they stick together and they make it work when you're working on a show that you're proud of and that's rewarding in so many ways seven years. That is a privilege. It's not a drag channels you like a channels changed on your face. You guys guys might get off. I was a little nervous at first. I don't know how they'd all deal with the new character coming in off because you know, they've been with each other for seven years, but they really they really liked me and I really like them and we just hit it off. I like that sense of security, you know with a new show like wage in it. I didn't know how I was how long it was going to be on and everything but here there's a sense of security and hopefully we can be on for a couple more years. Young Leonardo Dicaprio and Kirk Cameron talking about growing pains, which premiered thirty-five years ago today. Oh, I watched that game like that one and my cousin's marriage has survived infidelity near divorce and now they're using that experience to help others. I spoke with them about the good fight their new book joining me now are Jana Kramer and Mike Carlson Hello friends. How are you guys are Carissa? How are you? I miss you. I miss Ry nights. I miss everything. I know I miss you too. I'm so excited about your guys's book and oh my gosh. Do you guys go there? And this book you talk about everything you've gone through cheating sex addiction nearly getting a divorce. You put it all in here. You guys have been through so much which of course is caused criticism. So, why do you think you are the best to write a relationship book authors? You know this whole book isn't necessarily even advice. It's just we've done so much work therapeutically and on ourselves and as a couple over the last four or five years that we're just sharing the tools that we should learn from people way smarter than us the clinical professionals that taught us these tools and we've kind of deciphered through them and we're just sharing what has worked for us. Yeah, and a lot of people are like well, why would want to get advice from toxic thoughts on this toxic couple and it's like again, it's you know, we've always been through a lot of stuff. We're also trying to help those out there that they're not alone in marriage is hard and it does take work and hear the the tools that we've learned to fight for each other off against each other, but I do have to ask whenever you put all this in book and and you're you know promoting. It doesn't feel like you have more pressure on your relationship to like make it work and and you know that that hurt anything at all. I think it is a lot of pressure. But at the same time we've never claimed to be perfect again, we're just trying to do the best that we can in this relationship for us for each other for our family. And you know hopefully will continue to grow together as a couple and and use the tools that we've learned. So I'm trying not to put the pressure on us because I don't want that for for each other and for ourselves. He revealed that might file for divorce While Janet you were on Dancing With the Stars and he was in rehab do you feel like that was your guys's lowest point for me that that wasn't my lowest that was kind of the pivotal moment for me where I was like, okay. I want to I want to try like I really wanted to just because I knew that if I thanked owner filed I'm done like once in a while. I'm not going back. It's not all like okay. I'm going to take you back so we can separate get back together. But when when divorce is like I've filed we're we're over and so for me, it wasn't until the the last relapse which was the pivotal I think for a relationship, but I'll let you speak on it. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where you feel like you fit your low until you hit another one and we had a lot of birth. Unfortunately over the over the last several years dealing with you know, the things that we've gone through and and and trying to reconcile and really grow closer together. So we've had a lot of them off the course some more impactful than others, but we kept getting up. I mean, that's the thing. We just kept fighting for each other and fight for ourselves and that was the whole purpose of this book to share that and you guys been asked because it is twenty-twenty. I mean, did you guys ever consider having an open relationship? I mean people, you know, it's a thing that people have them now. I personally couldn't I mean the idea that you know, if anything I'd go lesbian before I'd have an open marriage so I just but I really I love I do love men know and but I love this man. So I you know, I I think you know for me that I have too much to South Florida. It's a little too much jealousy my balance for that. Yeah another subject while I have you here Jana you talked about auditioning for the Real Housewives said everyone was so mean. Can you tell me which city you were trying out for and are you a fan of the show? It was Beverly Hills Johnson Rd told me I'm not allowed to do. In fact. It was just one of those things where Teddy Teddy had asked us to have a little our grommet but not Patty to some a part of the show. Like that's why we also are not going to be on the show. I would have a hard time seeing you on that show. I mean the the second day asked me that like Glam up for the interview. I was like, oh, I think that's like I can't know like I am I'm wearing sweatpants right now. So we're we're good. I love it guys. I love you so much. Congratulations. I'm putting your heart and soul in this book. I know it was it was a labor of love and it's going to really help a lot of couples. So thank you guys for sharing and thank you for being willing to talk about it and join us today. I love you very very, Florida. How about the audio but oh you did. Yeah, it's going to be good. I'm excited to read it. He leaves an audiobook I do too. I do too. Okay, that's it for us today. Don't forget starting next week, very important daily. Pop is going back an hour, and we have a new time an hour is getting an hour-long beginning Monday. You can watch Daily pop every day at 11 a.m. Here on a set your DVRs and you don't miss a thing tomorrow will be at a normal time catching up with Kelsea ballerini by

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Resenha: Magnus Karlsson's Free Fall - We Are the Night (Heavy Metal Sueco)

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Resenha: Magnus Karlsson's Free Fall - We Are the Night (Heavy Metal Sueco)

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Field Yates Answers the Important Questions

The Nat Coombs Show

27:36 min | Last month

Field Yates Answers the Important Questions

"Welcome to the not coon show on. Espn very good. Tap with this guy gets to be back. Espn royalty the house field. Yates dropping by for some rapid fire. Questions we're going to try and see you up for the season as best. We can lots of great guests coming your way. I'm sure you've listened to some of the pods over the last few weeks and a heard the stylings and there are plenty of big names coming your way very shortly as well. We feel because hey he is an incredibly busy guy. We had around twenty minutes and chase a producer leonide door. Let's fire rapid questions at him covering lots of different topics to try and get field to take on a number of different things. And that's exactly what we did. Plus we snuck in one of your listener questions right at the end as well as if you find one on our social channels the show. Listen carefully to see if you made the right. Let's hear it then. Rapid fire field. Yates coming your way field gates. It is very good to see from across the pond. First things first catching up catching up earlier on facebook live. Espn fantasy focus of course available on facebook live as what has many other places. Tm got a serious time. Going on right now. I feel you need to maybe work on your tan game. A little bit more field. Well here's the difference between matthew. And i is that i can get a tan. Keep an even. And i have ridiculous. Tan line and not have a t-shirt can lie on the rise. I have a way yet. That's right so. I know how to manage a tan. Matthew just knows how to burn so unfortunately that one's on on him. I i gotta take myself off the hook in this case let our listeners. No does matthew. Much like paulie walnuts in the sopranos. Sit outside with some kind of foil contraption just to get. The time really really looked at that. Pretty much goes yeah. I've heard there might be some makeup involved to make him look particularly bronze on given days when she desperate times. Call for desperate measures. So i'm not gonna call nothing. He's great to see you. Listen we were thinking on the show that you guys on. Espn fantasy focus. You got that rat. Pack ocean's eleven vibe going on of always felt i can see you and and stefan secret squirrel pulling of some kind of heist somewhere. Vegas or reto. So today we thought instead of ocean's eleven we're going to go with fields nine right nine so we've got nine questions about the forthcoming season. We're gonna fire at rapid fire kind of thing. You probably got. Maybe like a minute and change on each. We've eight of them together. And then from a source that is considerably better informed than we are of course on the show our listeners. They fired in that the last one so we put that out on our social media channels at the show. That's how you follow us. Facebook instagram twitter. All on take not talk yet. We're working on. You take kicked off. We're gonna get into top definitely in the in that group so we've got a list of questions on ninety right so we'll do that. I eight and then we'll save the best two loss all right so you already. You said i am okay. We'll start easy one for your bread and butter field. Yates as we would say on. This side of the pond sim field. Yates fantasy sleeper picks who give us some guys that you think could make the difference between winning or losing the season. Yeah good question here. So i always mentioned this caveat. When i'm discussing fantasy sleepers is that i'm amazed by how much knowledge people who play fantasy. Football have these days that there are times where all mentioned in maine and people will say. i've drafted that player in four league already right so right say sleeper. It's often a relative term one of my neighbors sleepers up until about we can go was amari rogers. The packer third wide receiver out of clemson. Now they've subsequently traded for randall. Cobb as we all know which may take away the value for my rogers. But i still believe russel gage. The atlanta falcons has a chance to be a useful player. Love that. I know that michael gallup is by no means a sleeper in terms of recognized value relative to some of the players that would normally be disgusted sleepers. But i think there's production opportunities. They're really good offense really talented player. I don't think we're talking about him. Nearly enough those are a couple of the wide receivers that come to mind. I think there's a chance that damian harris is a running back value for the patriots like the get more passing game usage but he should be an effective player. And i think there's a chance. Also that josh jacobs winds up being value again sleeper no value. Perhaps because there's been a lot of turn negative vibes surrounding josh shake and spanish value this off season after signing kenyan drake. But he's a very talented player when he stays healthy often produces a major way. It's a great point you make you know. All context is all relative. I guess it's just a market improvement place that maybe there isn't enough buzz. Look at average drop position and you think outperform that by considerable margin. Ultra one in that a lot of shops at talking about big on the viscous and and he had what six hundred and change five touchdowns not exactly a name. That's gonna come out of nowhere like who you'll know him but i could see him go enough. I could see him going up. I'm definitely going to be reaching a lot. Good all right. I like the rubber from field. Love that right number two on fields nine who is winning the nfc west. Who's winning the nfc west. I'm gonna go to los angeles. Rams i think they have the most complete roster on both sides of the ball. I think it's going to be sexually competitive. It's the most competitive division in the nfl this year. But gimme the rams who i do think with the addition of matthew stafford. I have a chance to not just win. The division would also be a potential. Nfc super bowl contender. Who has we all know. it will Come down to. Can you stand toe to toe with tom. Brady led bucks. I am all in the rams counterweight for that one status blow mind. Which is maybe out there for all of you to see. And i've only just joined the dots after all this time. But looking at the golf to stafford upgrade and it's an upgrade i'm gonna goff apologised. I like golf but look out an upgrade no doubt about it start to drill down more and realize that jared goff likes turning the ball over field. Yates he's got much. Yes the second most turnovers in the nfl. Since seventy behind jason's winston and that is a high bar deed right to that in most other generations would be a clear winner. They're gonna get out protection. That be protecting the bull more that the productivity the deeper mcvay. I'm just a little bit worried about the receive a cool that ease. That mcveigh's genius. I get it and not sure compared to others the deep waters in the playoffs. If there's enough strength in that. But i am with you. I'm with you on the ramps. All right number three. Which rookie quarterback is going to have the best season and took it fantasy terms. None of that. I'm talking the best season where we look back. And think okay. They were the number one rookie quarterback. Who's it going to be. Yeah i think you have to. I'll be prudent to answer trevor lawrence for a couple of reasons. He's one of two. They're guaranteed to start the other. Being back wilson beyond that as promising as we think freelance could be if he gets the starting job or builds could be if he gets the starting job. Or your imac joan for that answer for that matter. It'd be get the starting job. Trevor lawrence was the undisputed. Don't think twice about it. Lock it in right away. Number one overall pick perhaps the best prospects of banja la. The offensive line is expensive. It's not great for the thing. That's good enough. It's got two good running backs and as you mentioned with la viscous you know. They've got a pretty capable group of wide receivers. So i think that This offense is enough pieces in place. They got his gaping hole tight. End that i believe in travelers that divisions go little bit easier as well so that shedules going a little bit easier while depending i guess on on how the cult's mix up there the quarterback situation phil rivers comeback team. That start campaign starts right here. Out of interest is a great point. You make about mack. Jones and trailer. Who do you think we'll see. I out of those two. I it will see train lance and i the reason why i sound so uncertain is well because i don't know the answer to that right and this reminds me of a conversation. I was having with a coach on a team. That has a possible quarterback decision to make. If you said i see you guys on tv talking about what we were going to start this player versus the other and yet i'm in the building every day and i don't even know who's gonna start and by what week the rookie will take over right while you guys have the conversation every day you you forecast with percentages and things like that and the reality is we have no idea that wilson trevor lawrence we know about everywhere else. I think it's very much. Tvd i think we could have. One of those rookies as russell. Wilson arise where he takes the job over before the preseason is done and then we could see others where the team says. I don't care if it's a close race. We're going to start with the veteran because it's easier to begin the season with the veteran and remove him than it is to start the season with the rookie. Have him struggle. And feel the pressure to turn it to the veteran It's a great point. It's a great point and we could second guess so. We like just like the russell wilson. Throw there that season because what the hell happens about flynn do. We know where matfield is is. Is he still on a roster is he okay. Matt plan is not under roster anymore. But he's extremely wealthy He wins right. Yeah i mean. I mean we're talking. I think it was eighteen million dollars for three years plus other money he had made right. He's very wealthy now so He he is with the old expression. The person who laughs last laughs best. Yes indeed him and mike let chocolate all the way to the bank. All right question number four more likely to be mvp. Aaron rogge's or that prescott with aaron rodgers. Because i do believe that. Oftentimes we look towards team success as we will down our mvp candidate. You did a blind resume last season and i understand. There's a lot going on with him right now. And i'm separating that from what we're talking about at this moment if you a blind resume. There was a case to shawn watson and his impressive of a statistical season as anybody last year right and he did not come close to the mvp conversation because the team went four and twelve. I think the packers are better team than the cowboys. I don't think that's much of a tape. That's true of a more of a statement of fact slash belief so. I think that aaron rodgers is a better chance of repeating than dak prescott has of winning. I ever. Mvp d think because of all the commotion around rogers and the hype and and the room among garing. The a lot of people are sleeping on the pakistan. Strange kind of way. It's interesting question. Because i think the roster is better than people Feel like it actually is. And i think that when when aaron rodgers was going through whatever you wanna call it this past off season frustration discontent etc. Everybody knew The ultimately it was easier to take the side of the player that it was the team. i will say this. I know there are thing errands upset about. He's voiced his frustration. You made it very clear during that. Press conference A little over a week ago however it is also worth noting that there's no better situation for aaron rodgers to be in then in green bay where they have a loaded roster that is very much ready to compete again this year for much of the nfc championship but a super bowl. Yeah did you ever think that was a realistic chance failed. He was gonna leave this off season. Absolutely he talked about it several times himself. I have liro doubt in my mind. There is a realistic chance. He could have left. I truly believe that talked about retirement. Planning somewhere else ran. A cobb confirmed it. You name it. It's been confirmed so it ended up. Okay for the packers but anybody who wanted to downplay. This i think is just ignoring the realities And is it loss john saloon. As far as the pack is a concetti. Think he's one and done. I think they stopped the contract that this is more likely than not his last season in green bay. Obviously as we know the twenty twenty three year contract has already been voided. So he's not if he wants to leave he can be gone after twenty. Twenty two seasons five can look closer at it salary. Cap numbers going to be up over forty six million dollars and if things were this. Tricky and bad for aaron rodgers this past off season. It's clear that it's not about talent. Acquisition right We just talked about having outstanding roster this about principle and about the way that he was treated the way that other people were treated retreated in green bay. I don't know that one season is enough to change some of the things that clearly a bother air rogers in the past. I have sympathy for him. And i get your point that the offense is incredibly productive. He's got a very good shot. A look at the collective roster of another super bowl ron. Were you know. A deep playoff run at the very least. I have sympathy with any quarterback particularly of that caliber. That's done so much with that organization having his success at drafted in round one. I get i get the mathematics against the business side of it and i would be. I would be upset if that was good. That can whichever way you cut it. So i get the mood. Aaron rodgers. I get the mood. But i think could be a formidable season for him. All right number five. It will niche up. Go nick chop he's laughing all the way to the bank as well. We'll shove have the most rushing yards this season and if you won't be field. Yates who will i'm gonna go with derrick henry again and a lame answer the boring answer. And i'm sure the odds are probably closest to even for derrick henry. If you're look at all the props on that respective category we love lineup. Yes we do. Derrick henry also has the clearest path to three hundred fifty or so carries. I think it's probably pretty clear that he's one of the most talented running backs in the nfl especially as a runner so the old of at eight broke. Don't fix it. Line of thinking applies here. So i believe it'll be derrick. Henry i know sake one's status and tubs fitnesses the tomor recording this. Not wholly clear. Do you think he assuming he's fit to go ready to go week. One and the f. Saquon zeke more productive season. Have for fantasy. I have leak ranked ahead of saquon because the fact that big one sad to begin the year is uncertain at the mall. We know the volume jersey will be incredible. The question will be for saquon whether the volume is as incredible as it has been in the past if it is then. There's a chance that he is number one running back and fantasy football this year. If it's not then it's possible that he regresses and moves clearly behind the likes of the and also alvin kamara endow them cook and christian. Mccaffrey and eric dies a free for all right number six. Stay with the giants kinda better record this season. The new york giants or the new york jets. I the giants pretty clearly. I mean i know the division probably a little bit more balanced in the nfc east. But i think it's clear that The giant have a more formidable roster. A just a better identity right now. The jets will get their developing. Not but yeah to me. It's pretty clear that the giants should be jets. That gordon in all in i guess on on any dimes in terms of the weapons that they've given him so it's make or break fame this season but i guess there are questions on the offensive line at defensively as well. The jets. A lot of buzz about what you're hearing from jets come playoffs unrealistic but one d think is a realistic return for the jets. This season i think if the jets can win six games if you're successful start to this new regime that would put them at six and eleven and wins and losses net. I think it's really more important that this team find out whether quarterback wilson is the real deal and if that goes from the real deal then everything changes for them. If that wilson doesn't immediately turn into the real deal then jets fan through muscle memory more than anything else are gonna be a little bit springsteen they're to they're going to be his booth there. We go yet zafy right so my thought is that I would say it's it's definitely a time of excitement. And i believe that that welcome good player but there's pressure on them as well to make sure that he is the real deal that they had obviously several other options that big number two including trae lance and justin field and also mack jones. Yeah the of options in destroyed but also you know they could start with donald this. I'm interested in your take on this. When you think about the i. Ian baas at a first round or a high fussed round pick gets coming into an organization. Yeah okay you said. He had an indifferent time with the jets injury illness to be more precise had some bearing on that the fact that they were a less decide the best types probably even more significant component. That you think that teams give up on players too quick and quarterbacks in particular no because the people that give up too quickly owners because they fire coaches so fast and gm so passed as a trickle down. Effect is that you don't have the time i mean we're talking about the giants a moment to go. They come out the ascension. Eli manning did not start right away. He took over as a rookie. For kurt warner. Go back and check out. You lie performed early in his career relative to how some of these quarterbacks are performing right now justin herbert etc right. None of them back in the day wherever being threatened with losing their job A week season and a half into. Yep now that's the reality. It just happens far too frequently. Yeah yeah josh rosen. Way all right which cutch. We love this enough happy questions on the shows. You know which coaches under pressure the most. There's a few. I think matt nagy and chicago's under some pressure of justice feeling good. It's going to be a problem. That paler natty is under some pressure. That's going to be a problem if things aren't really good right there. Right away I would think mike mccarthy and to be under some pressure in dallas. I would think that if you keep looking around the nfl. Mike zimmer is under some pressure and minnesota Those are some names that come to mind for me that i think need to win and probably do so in a hurry. Fangio in denver. We'll be one as well. Yeah You know younger than an oakland. Probably in las vegas gives be probably not because of how much money. He's but name to keep in mind and cliff kingsbury also in arizona. And i'm glad you mentioned kingsbury. Incidentally john gruden's got a twenty five year contract right say because field yates towers. I always picture that. You've got kingsbury. Es condo rolling in bristol. I put that put that kings breast condo on the line for question. Eight the winner super bowl. Fifty six the bucks the chiefs or neither my Impact will be the chiefs again. This year no my ad. Choose one in the beacon city wide. You know something that i get. Why some of these questions are the fun ones. Like which codes the fires and win the super bowl but like i. I live a little bit more day to day than that. So i'll give the chiefs but honestly if you wanted to convince me about somebody else. I'm not gonna fight you strongly on it. I think the chiefs win the super bowl. But it's well we play the game. She the bucks a fascinating. Because they've re up to twenty two starters right which rarely happens. I mean that's never happened during the salary. Cap era right very uncommon sneaky content. As you mentioned the packers are going to be in the mix so if you could have had done with two or three other teams are going to be there or thereabouts right now. As of today. Middle of august lot of water to go under the bridge but who you liken to have a deep player front in the nfc specifically afc specifically or what. Yeah both both in the nfc. I view it as sort of like four or five teams. I believe that the box and the packers and the ram are very much in the mix. i believe in forty niners and the seahawks can get in the mix. Those are the two next teams up in the. Afc the chiefs the bills the ravens very much. Strike me as the cream of the crop right now. In that conference with the chance for maybe cleveland maybe new england to knock on their doors so to speak and make a little bit more compelling titans throw in the mix as well maybe as a as another place another per fun for them titan. Yes as well. They have some major defense of concern. The night and should not be overlooked can call by there. Are you all right last one. And we'll let you get out of dodge because we know you are. One of the busiest manage show biz field. Yates we're gonna take care of business now. This is say we left the most important and the best for last. So congratulations tyler. Arthur loyal listener out that shoutout to everybody questions in but this was a favourite. This was the winner and far more sophisticated any of the questions. We put the field thus for tyler when you're analyzing players for fantasy football field. What is the balance between the on paper and on film analysis. I think it's important says tyler to incorporate both but i'm interested to know how you balance the two and he also says i appreciate you both nat fields. So we appreciate thank you. Yeah nice mentioned tolerate. If the you know. I think my answer is what he said that the balance because their numbers that can be extremely misleading. We always talk about. I think it's really shows. It felt most frequently with quarterbacks in a good that's quarterback and being a good real. Nfl quarterback far from the same appears ago. It used to be that Blake bortles would always be junk time fantasy superstar but the jaguars rose terrible. Because he's thrown for two hundred and fifty hours of the second half of the game when they're down by twenty point right so. I think it's especially important when you're looking at running backs or wide receivers because quarterbacks we're going to have the ball in their hand every place there's a lot of opportunities almost no matter what at running back and wide receiver. You may see a player who the box score tells you one thing and the game film tells you different things so a running back a bus off one long run but otherwise kind of three yards and a cloud of dust type runner. It's always a balance and it's not just film and stat it opponent in injury updates. Its weather update it. Playing surface updates. So i always tell people that my job in fantasy. Football is not that. I have information that you don't have. It's that i am responsible for keeping track of all the pertinent information that might impact the players fantasy value and compartmentalizing that and regurgitating it. So that you the fan no what matters most and you know what you do incredibly well each and every season. We massively appreciate that field. Appreciate your time one more for the road you go to the uk suit and hopefully we'll get your not least we know you love your craft based we gotta get you out an out and about some pubs just tasting some good british product unloaded. We'll have we want you to ted laso recently too so making me wish i come out there and be a premier league soccer coach which i won't be but it'd be great if ted lasso can do any of us can do it right. Hold on the drink. Saidov estimate on the crew. It's great to see him. Look after yourself right back to you. Lobby stop from field. Always get fun to catch up with him. Reminds me we gotta to reach out and get on the show pretty soon as well. Tm back on the show is gonna walk out. So i will send some emails. Get things in motion. Hope you enjoyed the stylings of field. Yates i'm sure you did poletti. More where that came from. I and mike carlson coming your way next week. How about that. The big guest keep on dropping the anc show facebook instagram twitter. Where you'll see video from the show's lots of other content getting rolled out there as well. Interactive stuff to questions polls get involved community oba on social channels. Appreciate all of you for getting in touch with the show that way or in touch with us on social media many. Thanks but i might next week. We'll see guy. Join us on the show with mine brothers went. Jc will endeavor to offer some insightful analysis. And my friend eric. jansen will offer quirky baseball trivia. A real so have tv. 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What to expect from the new NakedChats, plus your questions answered!

NakedChats

29:16 min | 5 months ago

What to expect from the new NakedChats, plus your questions answered!

"Welcome to naked chats a podcast of honest conversations in business online marketing. I'm you'll highest rachel. Hawkins dietitian turned online. Marketing strategist and margarita. Enthusiast helping health professionals market themselves online so that they can reach more people have more impact and achieve game changing results in their businesses. Listen learn and baynes fired. Every tuesday and thursday as i chat industry insights and actionable tips. That you can use to build a career of your dreams. Let's chat heller and welcome to episode thirty of naked chats to say that. I am feeling a little bit rusty behind the microphone. Right now is very much an understatement. I was looking through foreign before. I started recording and the lost episode that i published on this podcast was on august twenty fourth. That is eight months ago. Like gosh. i can't believe it's been so long. In between episodes soil much has changed in my world since then the biggest thing being that light last year i actually decided to step away from dietetic and close my nutrition consulting business in pursuit of a new direction online marketing. That is exactly what i'm gonna be talking about on. Today's podcast episode. I'm also going to be talking about how this podcast is going to be. Changing just a little bit to support these new business direction of mind. Because i think it's really important that you guys are what to expect from the podcast from here on out and finally. I'm also going to be answering questions that you guys have asked me online. So last week. I did a call out on my instagram. Just popped a little and box up on my stories and put a coal at for any question. Do you guys had in relation to minute. Business and online marketing. And i'm going to be answering some of the questions that i got through. He is sorry. It's going to be a jam packed episode now if you adjust tuning into naked chats for the first time i want to let you know that this is not typically what my episodes will look like. But there's just so many changes in my business in my world that i think this episode is really important to just for context. That's what we're gonna do today now. Let's start off by talking about these new business of mine now. It's still running into my personal brand. I'm still rachel hawkins everywhere online now for those that have followed my business story closely. You would not that. I have been working in digital marketing roles within aga khan of organizations for a one and a half years now whilst still running mine nutrition consulting business on the side so when i moved to sydney i accepted a full time. Position working at supplement company. And then i've also been working as the digital content and marketing coordinator at got started. I started that light last year and obtaining that row for about seven eight months now. Sorry wedded marketing. Come from well. I was first introduced to the wonderful world of marketing at university. Actually so i took an elective subject. Foundational marketing costs as part of the last year of my master's degree and i ended up doing a lot of my payday when i first started up my business because obviously that was i guess an area that i needed to scrub a horny to to do well and get my business name out there. I just ended up falling in love with it and it was sort of one of those things where The more that i learned about online the more i realized health professionals didn't and i sort of fell into these role of becoming a bit of a mentor or an educator if you like to the health professionals who really wanted to i guess honest online space to grow their business and it was a round. I'm going to say november last year. Where i sort of had these light lightbulb. My man it was actually off the back of the mosque losses that iran in conjunction with another dietitian. That of was teaching health professionals how to utilize instagram in particular to i guess grow their business and how to monetize it platform and i post master classes. I sort of realized that this was something that i could make a business out of teaching. I take health professionals how to mock themselves online and really navigate a somewhat overwhelming online environment. Sorry that they can put their time and energy into doing what they love marston. I think that is helping the people. And i guess that is the whole goal of these new business of mine. I wanna teach you how to market yourself online in the simplest way possible. Sorry that you get the result. He want quickly in your business and you can spend your time doing what you love mar so i want to save you from wasting your time and money searching for answers on google and youtube. I want to stop you from buying unnecessary Equipment subscribing to unnecessary subscriptions so that you can focus on being the best practitioners possible and getting the best outcomes for your clients. And the way that i'm going to do that is through a range of digital products and services and the first one of th- ariz as actually going to be an instagram mocking colts. That is learnt won't ching on june first. Now i'm not gonna go into too many details on. What exactly the colts as yet. Because i'm saving that for just a couple of weeks time odd. Because i want you guys to get a really good pizza of what this course is about. Before the dolls are pin on june first by spies just very briefly in terms of providing an rv for you just in case you to mark the date in your diary and mccain on lending mall. it's going to be a six week. Course that is going to take you essentially to build a profitable instagram. And when i say a profitable instagram page i mean one that pain clients and one that gets you a face in front of brands so that you can help more people you can have that big impact and you can generate more money within your business now. As far as i'm aware there are currently no courses like what mine is going to be like yet for health professionals out vast arm super pumped about it. Make sure that you're listening to the podcast and pulling me on instagram for updates. He because i will be revealing far motels very very certain. Sorry that is the business. Let's talk about the podcast now. Now this podcast my little passion project podcast naked chats it has honestly become one of the most beneficial things i have ever done for my business. I want to say thank you to alicia edge from compete nutrition. Because she's actually the person that convinced me to start this podcast way back when i interviewed aleisha on episode. Two of the podcast. I believe that would have been two thousand eighteen. Maybe it was early two thousand and nineteen. It was a long time ago since then released twenty episodes. That's a pretty small number of episodes in caswell but despite that i have a hundred and fifty five five star rating and reviews on appalachians which is just like absolutely mind blowing. I have such an incredibly supportive audience. So thank you to you. When i launched his kossi hit the new inert worthy section in at podcast which was awesome. I got to number two in the business chops and last season Season two. I sat consistently in the top ten throughout the whole season. So i'm really start about that achievement. But i think the thing that i take away from those results mars is you guys are telling me that you lack the cost in the format that it was. I guess i wanted to start off by saying that. Even though my business has changed and there's going to base some small changes to the podcast. I am going to continue to create and share the conversational style episodes that you know and love. Sorry no one out they get. They will be staying That's not going anywhere. I'm just adding extra value to us. Sorry something that is changing. Is i am now going to be inviting health professionals from oldfield's onto the podcast to share their stories. Sorry i'm not just going to be bringing on people from nutrition industry and i'm also going to be inviting on business. Experts to share their expertise in areas such as digital marketing social media. Branding podcasting sales. The list sort of goes on their essentially. If i can talk to someone who has the expertise in business. Someone that he's going to. I guess going to be able to provide value to you and help you build a career and the business of of your dreams. Then they're gonna be on the shark. Because i really feel that we can learn so much from people in other industries. Sorry this is in addition to naked chats than i am very very pumped about and then in addition to i guess they as conversational interview style episodes. I'm also going to be throwing in some shorter solar episodes just with me and the main reason for this is that i want to be able to find a way to publish episodes on naked chats far more consistently than what i have done in the past or the inclusion of these shorter episodes essentially means that i will now be able to release new episodes. Two times wake sorry. Every tuesday and thursday. I'm going to be dropping. New episodes ongoing. So there's not gonna be any big seasons and huge Seven eight month breaks in between seasons. I'm gonna be publishing consistently every tuesday thursday and if there's ever times where i take a couple of weeks break for example. The christmas holidays. I'll let you guys aren't but otherwise every tuesday and thursday. You can expect to hear from me. Oh and i should probably add. Actually i'm going to be recording. All of my podcast recordings for youtube too. So i haven't recorded this episode because admittedly it is seven. Pm at night. And i had a lot of tech issues trying to figure out how to do that. Because i've got a new poll causing set up. I don't know whether you can hear a bit of difference in the sound quality these episodes so basically i fluffed around for too long trying to figure out all the tech. I've got it sorted now as of next episode. I'm going to be recording. All of them and popping up onto youtube so you can put me on youtube as well of the link in the shower nights to my channel. All right. Sorry onto the qna. So as i was saying before. I popped a little coal out to my instagram audience. Ask them if they had any questions for me. Half of the questions. I received i guess asking me about my new business. And what it's all about. And the half is in relation to i guess tapes around business and online marketing. I'm gonna stop we questions about money business. And then i'm going to flow into the other ones and then we'll finish off the poco kost. Sorry question number. One is from stephanie. Dot alana and the question is is the new business jobs courses or will you be taking one on one clients to sorry the answer to that as barth Business is going to offer a range of digital products. The first one being matt instagram marketing close. I mentioned to elliott. And then i am also going to jump into opening my books for taking on one on one clients. My priority at the moment is getting these instagram cole created and launched and then once that's up i'm going to look at art pinning my books for the one on one services. Sorry i don't have a date exactly four yet. I'm just gonna say how my workload garis. Because i also don't want to bend myself out of commit myself but if you are interested in i guess booking in a one on one service for me. When they do become available you can subscribe to my mailing list or alternatively. Send me a damn on instagram. To just express your interest and i will contact you when my books arpan. Next question is from dietitian addition. That's millie thanks. Mealy the question is how did you normally when you were ready to leave nutrition business. I love this question is such a good question. The answer to that is. I knew when i felt like i had lost my passion for it. I feel like. I almost became board of nutrition in some way. I mean i love for you and i will always love food but i feel like i sort of got to a point where it became quite tedious and almost anxiety provoking to keep on top of the research and to do the work that i was doing as a dietitian. Not because i didn't feel like it didn't align professionally like the people that i was working with all sam and obviously strongly believed in everything that i was working on but i just felt like it got to a point where it didn't align with where i was not personally and the reason i say that is because i was being approached for jobs from awesome companies but i just got to the point where i felt like i actually wasn't the best person for the job anymore and i don't say that from a place of feeling inferior or you know i'm not as good a dietitian as the next person but the reality was. I was not up to date on my payday. Because i was spending every spam minute of my day learning about digital marketing and i found myself referring work opportunities onto colleagues that i felt were bet up fits i guess for the job opportunities and i think where i sort of had. I guess my lightbulb moment. The point of the iceberg. For me where. I sort of realized you. It's time to keep this up. Walkaway from dietetic was ir saved and inquiry from a quiet lodge corporate organization. And they will wanting me to run the culprit wellness program. Sorry it would have been you know monthly nutrition seminars shops with their employees nutrition consults for hundreds of staff like it was a seriously great opportunity and it would've been a dream opportunity for me head of landed in my inbox about six months prior. But i looked at it. And i was like you know what i am. Not the best person for this anymore. Sorry i declined that opportunity. And after that i make the decision to sort of leave dietetic really. Interestingly i instantly felt like a sense of relief and when i felt that relief that was when i knew that i had made the right decision. Sorry yes it seems really weird to say that our opinion sharing you know my business journey and i i love i do. I do love nutrition. I love food bought. I didn't love the role of dietitian. I suppose and i just get such a different feeling with marketing. And i'm so passionate about marketing. And i'm really passionate about helping people i think that's why i became a dietitian and i still feel like i can help people in this role when i feel probably have a big impact than i would have is a dietitian because like i said i just wasn't up to date on my pay day and i just felt like this was a much better off. Man i'm really pumped and excited about it already. Question is from bran lucy. Ninety six she asked. Will i still dabble in nutrition. The answer is not professionally anyway. I'll always maintained an interest in it for myself personally definitely not professionally anymore. Now a few people are am. I just going to be focusing on the health industry or banding. My business to help anyone that wants to grow an audience online narc. Sorry am just nation down in the area of Professionals i think there are a lot of other people out there that provide marketing services to business aren't influences etc but no one that i'm aware of anyway provides services specifically for health professionals in the manner that i am in this marketing area and i think given my background. This is where i can provide a real point of difference there dietitian clay. Are you still working at got started. Yes i am. I work and i've always worked at got started in hot time capacity. I have always been very fortunate that they've been really supportive of me pursuing work opportunities within my own business and this new businesses nine different and i guess i think i'm really lucky to be able to pursue this new business venture whilst also being able to be involved in some pretty cool things that got started. Sorry yes very very lucky. Next question is from jackie. Mattie jackie a maddie i believe and her question is will this help. Nutrition students create an online platform absolutely. Yes are mike. Carlson service offering is going to help both qualified health professionals and aspiring health professionals to market themselves online. I obviously have a bunch of free content throughout my emails. This costs my. But then i'm also going to have my paid product and service offering good opportunity site to any students listening and you might have aspirations to work in private. Ps private practice on your business or where could brands in the media like while he was studying as day. Perfect time to stop building your brand and online presence through social media. I started mine. One year before i graduated from masters and my only regret is that i didn't stop serena and i'm sure you're probably thinking of course you're going to say that you're about to watch needs graham cole. Spot nar honestly. I've spoken about this. I think like years ago. And in many of the interviews. That i had like. I honestly regret that because if i started my profile the two years elliott when i first started thinking about it i feel like i would have had so many more opportunities once i left university and the reason i say that is because like if you can get online and you can stop building a presence you give people a little bit of a taste of who you are and what you're about and i feel like you just put yourself in such a great position to secure work after you graduate like i was doing pay clever rations prior to even graduating as a dietitian. It was awesome extra cash while i was studying and i was also receiving inquiries from people who wanting to book nutrition consulting for me before i was even qualified. Sorry if you've been thinking about getting online on instagram in particular and building a platform do it. Now go and start your account. Stop thinking about what you want your brand to baylock because you know you weren't regret The only thing you will regret is not giving a guard. Sorry that would be my advice. Their next question is from mads dot dietitian. She asked what upskilling and payday have undertaken in digital marketing as i was saying elliott first taste of marketing that i got was at university. I did a purse graduate marketing. Course there and then of course. I've got a lot of on the job. Learnings sorry by from running my own business for two and a half years and then also working in digital marketing roles within the organizations full that one and a half years i have also done a twelve month course in launch marketing. I did that last year and it was awesome. It was cold launch magic and it was run by an incredibly fantastic launch. Marketing ways called steph. Kyla and that i feel has really sort of elevated my knowledge in the of i guess marketing particularly around like product launches. And of course i indulge listening to many poku and reading many marketing books and learning from the lacks of incredibly knowledgeable. People united states guard. Neil patel porterfield. Many many more the list goes on. And i will of course continue to be learning in the years to come because i think that's really important at zoe. The dietitian asked in my opinion. What does success look like for a health care professional online. I love this questions is such a good question. My answer would say that success is going to look very different for different people so to some success might a running a really big online business having might be having an online program important stuff having products and merchandise to sell while two others having a successful business might just be having a full clinic book. Sorry nor one option. I think is more in successful than the others because success is something that should be determined by the individual riot and i think that will comes down to what your values are as an individual and what type of life you need to be. Living in order to be living in close alignment to those values. And once you know that. I think that you'll be able to identify where your work fits into that picture. And guess how you can plan and online marketing strategy to help you achieve this. And i think once you're hitting those goals that you set for yourself that is success to me and that's actually how i am now perching my business. I'm not focused on i. I one hundred thousand followers all. I want to work with x. amount of brands. It's what's going to make me happy in life. And how does my work into that. And i think once i'm heating not in achieving that dot is what i would deem to be successful at alice. Belief men dietitian asked. What is the best business advice that you've been given. I feel like i have to say two things here. Number one beta trust your gut always always trust your got if i reflect back on the past couple of years and perhaps business relationships that i had entered into a collaboration that i've done that perhaps have taught me very lessons to put it very. Kindly say that my was always telling me. This just doesn't feel right. Sorry number one always trust you. Got you your best and number two would be to fuller. You'll passion daren't settle for anything. I remember when i graduated. I went online. And i saw this quite extensive parsed from a dietician online. And they were sort of just saying that our new grads really entitled and you just have to take what you can get. You need to get all the experience can get. Don't think that y'all gonna buy into your dream job out of university and obviously that is just sarno my jam. I could not disagree more with that. I was sorry. I was actually became quite angry when i read that. I'll never forget that. So my biggest thing is always follow your passion. If you work hard enough you can achieve anything and don't settle lack. If you have big goals cape those goals it's important about implementing the steps to get you to where you are. Maybe that main senior being in a job. That isn't your dream job. Oh you'll end goal but it's serving a purpose right it's gonna get. Ut goals fully that passion and please don't settle brit. Smith oss how to dietitians develop an influence online without blurring professional and personal boundaries. Awesome awesome question. I believe that the concept of you know what's blurry in terms of professional and personal boundaries. Aids very subjective. I think that what. I may consider to be appropriate. May not be appropriate for someone else. I think online. It's important to share certain elements of yourself because when your audience nor you when they begin to trust you and when they have that trust in you are more likely to want to work with you but of course you don't want to be sharing anything that is going to make your audience question your professionalism. Sorry for example. I might post a picture of myself and some friends having a cup towel. Maybe where having a chase board. But i am not going to post this story about seeing karaoke or dancing on the dance floor. When i am after drinking all of those cocktails. Because that's obviously aligned with my professional brand and that may actually result in a walls of trust from clients right. because. If i'm a dietitian i meant to be promoting a healthy lifestyle. Yes balance. but they don't need to save the club at one. am are in terms of. I guess how you can start to identify those boundaries for yourself. I think i'd put pen to paper and really work out what you are an aunt comfortable sharing online. And if there's anything that you're uncertain about i just be asking myself. What are the potential repercussions of sharing universe. Said if there's any potential for negative impacts bear. I would err on the side of caution and not share that and i think it's also really important to consult oil or check out the guidelines that your industry has around conduct online. And how they. I guess belief you should be conducting yourself online in a professional manner. That's really important to consider all sorry because you want what you do online to come back in effect your accreditation in any way now. Lauren dot muggeridge. I hope i'm saying that rat learn. She asked what are your tips for students wanting to make a brand for themselves. I'm going to be super super shaky here and say tune into next week's episode. Because it's all about branding in particular personal branding just to give you something to take away from this episode. I think number one. It's really important to get clear on who you are so what values are important to you. What are the personality traits that you really want to spotlight in your brand. Because they are going to set the tone for your brand online so it's just a matter of identifying or uncovering these because they're really going around lay the foundation for the brand that you create and how you present yourself online. Another question from zoe the dietitian. Hey she asked a couple of great ones and her question is what other biggest challenges for healthcare professionals in business right now i feel like this is gosh. Where do you start with this one okay. I'm going to say that. The biggest challenges for healthcare professionals in business I'm going to say. The policymakers and the governing bodies. I think that healthcare is very traditional. I think that they are very resistant to change in my experience. And you know. I think funding is a really big issue. I think if there's one positive thing that came out of your car vade and the poss twelve to eighteen months. It's that are funding was provided at least in australia for virtual services which just made accessing healthcare so much easier not only for people in remote locations but just for the everyday person because it just fitted into the modern latte style and i think want what was once unusual example dieticians or any healthcare professional being on instagram is now becoming normal and iheart that i that will become normal to being able to log online. I'll pick up a phone call and being able to talk to your doctor and access healthcare services. You know i think for us. As a whole to make a difference we really need to be relatable and we really need to be able to connect with people yes. The clinical staff is so important yes. The science is so important but we need to be doing a better job at the translation of that science to the public in order for change to be saying the future is digital lack. Anyone who denies that had just in the sand and i guess that's why i saw so passionate about encouraging all health professionals to get online. Because that's how you're gonna connect with people that you're gonna get your message out. That's hanging a help people regardless of what type of business you're running. What type of field of work. You're in sorry. That is my answer to that question zoe. Now i'm going to wrap up here. I wanted to these episode really short and sweet. Thank you to everyone who sent in questions to me. Now if you enjoyed today's episode of course as be really grateful if you left a five star rating and reviewing apple podcast for me as it really does. Help me to get the poll. 'cause out to more people and of course if you feeling social don't forget you can spread the love online by snapping a picture of you listening to today's episode and sharing it on instagram. All right guys that easy for today's episode. Thank you so much listening. And i will catch you next time.

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The Nat Coombs Show: Nat, Mike & some guy called Jerry Rice

The Nat Coombs Show

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The Nat Coombs Show: Nat, Mike & some guy called Jerry Rice

"Haizhu fantasy team might A. Why haven't checked ages? Everyone's bored by the stage. She's no anti that's enough out of you whiny Limi- that soccer author not football and this powers. NFL fantasy running on just the six PM gains. It's only it gained week long. No season-long boredom no excuse this and seven hundred and fifty pounds in prize is guaranteed. He's reach potty power fantasy. Hake waiting love winning. How do you how does he rules? Apply you must be able to hello welcome to the net coom show presented by paddy power five five to see good to have you with us mid week show which can mean only one thing. I N Mike in at the house when I say in the House. We actually recorded this one on location occasion on Tuesday at the NFL Academy Exciting Times for the Academy launching. Then you JIM recording a special. NFL Academy pod. That's going to drop brought later on in the season. But I'm mike recorded on location with. We got down to business of course but very very special guest as well as Mike in the frame of the Goat Jerry Rice. No less in the house caught up with Jerry Rice. We're going to drop that into after the I might catch up just just a bit of housekeeping for you before we get into it though. Forget are Paddy Power Fantasy League which is free to enter three to enter loads of cash prizes to be won lots of you involved evolve last week. Lots of you. One so congratulations. This I join you gotTa Fantasy Dot Patty Power Dot com forward slash league forward slash. Not Fumes shows fantasy doc. PATTY POWER DOT com. Ford's Ashley would slash Napkin show. We're going to push that link out across all social channels as well and if the dogs on at the NC show on twitter facebook you'll find the link and get involved with that games this Sunday right. Then let's get down to business jerry rice in just a bit but first up on Mike Mike and I on a road trip. How about that we let him out of? ESPN here at the NFL. Academy a very special day for them with the launch of the gym in the inaugural season. The first season of the academy. We're going to be releasing a very special episode all about the first year of the NFL. Academy what's not to love on Mike and Jerry Rice on the same show normal business as usual on Wednesday taunt to get into. Let's start with with Monday night. Football in Mexico City. No less and I think everybody was hoping for another Mexico shootout. Didn't live up to that hype. And probably most notable Philip rivers having another abject day by his usually high status four interceptions which cost the because. Yeah and it was interesting that the chargers if you watch the first half the charge should've been ahead in that game by two touchdowns at least But turnovers hurt them a couple of big plays by by Kansas City but they went away from the run game really early and I was surprised prized that. Because Gordon was running echo was tearing them apart running and receiving wounds back in business and and that surprised me because also we know that Kansas the city's run defense is not necessarily the strongest point of their team but Daniel Sorensen the safety was funny because one of the commentators said you know everyone knows. When when you play in the chiefs you throw at number forty nine? I wonder why that is. I was sitting there safe saints of the screen. You know. Well maybe it's because he like his four eight forty that's why he did get drafted early interceptions. Not long after the guy said this he got an interception and maybe that's why he's playing but I just thought begins in the conflict seen the same thing from rivers a lot this season. It's not unique in that. Could about clause of course that the generation that he is any live benched earlier on this season. There's talk breeze with his injury. He seems fine again. But there's talk that he is perhaps coming towards the end of his career Rothlisberger out for the season Brady and his performance on Sunday the same talking heads with throwing up that is brady coming to the end. Well do you get a sense. Mike inevitably given their age. This collection of brilliant quarterback is coming to the twilight. That's a good point. It'll be interesting to see what happens with. Eli whether he hangs around with tries to have a year or two with another team to prove movies not finished basically I think he might. I think the kind of question of pride. MDC has indeed to his. He is what he is career. Wise via office burgers probably gone as well. I would take but he'll come back. He'll come back but I can't see him. Lasting than pride is really interesting point when you think about what makes these guys champions and what has propelled them to the top to stay at the top for so long. It's not the simplest Tony off that no not absolutely not and there's the thing about going out on a high note or a low note. Oh you know and you you say to yourself better than that I really wanted. But but in football especially it depends so much on the cast around you and there's only so much the individual quarterback can do and we've had the discussion many times about hall of fame. Likelihood for those three is Wall came into the League together. And I'm not convinced the more I think about it. It you know that any of them are locks for the hall of fame and that the you know the the The twitter addy will crazy with that but the bodies memory doesn't extend beyond beyond actually back to the beginning of their careers in some in some cases and and I think they're all in the hall of the very good but you know. We were talking to Kenny Anderson. A couple of weeks ago and Kenny. Hannah Anderson's not in the hall. Then maybe there's a case to be made that these guys are on. That border line and I was thinking last night while I'm watching the game. If if you take the number of teams and the number of quarterbacks over a decade how many quarterbacks from a decade should be in the hall realistically maybe six Max from each a and it's hard by decade players cross decade lines. They start in two thousand four. They go on. But you can't have every good quarterback in the hall of fame And the stats lines are just insane because you have to. You have to set them relative to their so everybody's put up much better numbers. John United Joe Montana or whatever but relative to these era to normalized Jerry Rice. Oh Yeah Jerry Jerry Rice the now it's it's like he might still be playing. You know if you hadn't if he had turned up but the last night's game just just go back you know for for for the chiefs who are a good team when everybody's healthy and everybody said they lost tyreek Hill early which which hurt the hamsters. Yeah and you know and I was saying it that the NFL was gonNA take ten percent off all the stats from this game because it was played at such high altitude Nicole Hardman wasn't really a factor. They didn't get the ball to him. Much Mahomes had three runs which were probably the deciding thing in the game from threatening to throw a hundred yard touchdown kabaddi possible. I don't know if he was threatening the media was like to see if the but the most important person this game was probably trade pipkins pins and trae Pipkins was the rookie tackle. who had to start for San Diego because Russell Luke Kuhn as as walt is out injured again now? Last year he was playing Pursue University of Sioux Falls South Dakota which means he was playing Winona state last year and now he's got Frank Clark so it's no coincidence frank. Mark had a great game pipkins. That was rude inch moving from division two college to the. NFL's is a big jump for rookie tackle. and Ah the chiefs stayed in contention. They've got Oakland. Now Yeah Flex and and when you when when you look at the two teams you just think. The chiefs are much better team the Oakland even with their defensive problem. It's been Oakland is playing solid solid also questioned whether the chiefs big place ace could and McCoy was hurt. Williams was running really well at the point where you got injuries could cost them. That is a difficult time for them. And he said Israel Mo Jo Joe. `Bout the rate is at the moment which is remarkable. We've talked about that a lot of the season the fact that they're even in this position that we're talking about them as possible. Divisional credit is proving the doubters what is wrong. Although being being the Internet they'd forgotten that they were doubting him suit six weeks ago. Jon Gruden Mo- Jon Gruden could have that. Were injured. So let's move on and talk about their calling happening. We did get into that with and keep Dini on the Monday show. Because I knew I I was catching up with you on Wednesday and really keen to get into this in detail so to refresh our listeners memories cap of course. Last time we talked about on the show was getting set for this public work or at least open to thirty to thirty two teams on the Saturday in Atlanta and the plot thickened and a whole curious chain of events really that an hour or so before the start time companies people announced they weren't going to be holding the trout out in the designated location. They weren't happy with the number of contractual things they wanted the. NFL wanted cap to science. They moved it to location about forty minutes away from the original one. This is on a Saturday anyway and as as we talked about. That's a ridiculous on about that last week. So it wasn't a full attendance of parts from the thirty two teams. And it certainly wasn't any of the major major players the coaches series front office guys decision-makers anywhere. I should say to be precise with that because it was on a Saturday in. They just can't be at that event so the whole thing went from the sublime to the ridiculous really on the back of it Mike. You suggested last week that it was probably a duality to this whole exercise. Yes yes. ps done insofar as the NFL saying quite publicly. We're drawing the line on what has happened in the past. At the same time there could be some kind of substantial outcome here insofar as capital as a result of this could get back into the thinking of teams end up with the team as a result. Now how you see this happening with the left field changes on the day itself. What do you think now? I thought that I was giving the NFL benefit of the doubt in in a Lotta ways thinking best case scenario what they're doing is they're saying to the teams go ahead and sign it right. That's what you want to do. We don't have a problem with that and it's always. He's been a league wide problem now. that as I said last week that reeks of collusion. When you're arguing we're not colluding and then you say to the teams? Okay go ahead and sign but the negative they give sideways. It was mostly a stunt to cabinet on the back foot and I think that's the way it turned out and the reason. I think that is when you look at the waiver. He was asked aside and every player has to sign a waiver when he does try out for a team. Because if you do get hurt or whatever. The team doesn't want the responsibility of having to pay your medical costs costs and that kind of stuff but when you looked at the waiver the wording was a bit different in in two of the sections and he was indemnifying the NFL over anything connected with the workout and his people looked at that and thought well his signing is connected with the workout so if we were to have some further dispute with the NFL over his not being signed we're now indemnifying the NFL against the. It's not the standard wording it was warning that was inserted into it. So that's what they refused to sign that at the. NFL would argue that. It can footage right well and also what they they did. was they say to the press. It was a standard a standard thing. He wouldn't side and all the press they will look. You've got assigned you know you can't be special that you are special. Because there's there's dating a one person shirk jerk out. His situation is distinctive. And you know now Eric Reid is come to his defense very smartly and some of the mouth. Clouds are now fighting being eric. Read on on twitter and I think I think in the end the only legitimate way that column captured that is going to get to a team in Mississippi goes to a team in the team stages at work out with him so based on what they want to see from him but if we yeah if he says no than Oh yeah that's been the that's been the you know. All we turned down the contract with with the broncos. He didn't resign with the forty niners. What his contract was up? He doesn't WANNA play play. That's always been the mantra but it's not. I doubt that it's true and remember to. He's thirty two now. He hasn't played three years. It's a real at this stage. It's a real gamble and if I were a team even thinking about it I would want him in my facility with some of my players with all my offensive coaches look. I don't need to go up in. NFL kind of organized workout at interview. He'll point of that on field of course in the question about whether he's able to perform at the highest level anymore. Oh and what teams exciting is there. A reason not to sign him because of the distraction that his acquisition would would call us whichever side of the argument urine here in terms of his political activism and his his stance that's undeniable that if you signed him that would be a lot of media attention. There's also the issue that not in fact. It was very divisive at the time many of his teammates many players in the NFL. It's pretty much split down the middle in terms. That is what you agreed with him doing it or not or at least certainly that was split down. The middle is probably not not accurate. I think there's there's there's a large portion awesome players really backed it and there was a sizeable number of players who didn't back it but what we're willing not to do anything because they figured did it was his right to do that if he wants to. And there's a smaller minority. I think players who would be opposed to it. Okay Fair enough but it is split in in how L. Conceal again. This is removing any personal position on it. It's looking at teammates in San Francisco. Never had a problem with it. That's that's the interesting thing through the season and the end of what was not a great season he was like he got some teammate. A Year award or something like that from the team so he signed Mike. Let's just speculate if he signed all he's in. The process of being considered the interview process is inevitably going to include William Hill again again. Probably yeah and he and he would probably say I leave my options open. That would be. That would be funny to one of the podcasts that I was listening to the host of the podcast they were both the host and the guest. Were both saying. No you have to follow. If you'RE GONNA team player you have to follow the team and I'm sitting there saying well which team team was. Staging this interview wasn't a team. It was it was the league but then once and you know this is this is not no one's taking away your freedom of speech or anything and then I thought to myself. That's exactly what the whole thing back in the beginning to me. It's a football question. It should be a football question and the question is do we think Colin Kaepernick could play ahead ahead of some of the guys who are playing now and I think the answer is probably yes. I don't think he's going to be a star player anymore. But then when you look at Lamar Jackson and his offense groman that's exactly the offense they were running or exactly but it's similar offense to what they were running in San Francisco when you had that really good year. He's not the runner. Lamar Jackson is he's more of a straight ahead kind of guy. He's not the passer. Lamar Jackson is. He's not as accurate but he's got stronger. Arm was just one of his problems. He tends to drill balls in. The guys can't catch so there should be a place for him and the NFL. If he really wants to play the final thing on cap and you alluded to earlier mike that he might not go into a starting role they could be a backup spot. And quite conceivably there should be a backup spot if you if you base this on ability and nothing else. I've heard quite a few people suggesting the last week. That's an inherent problem here. If Catholic was a great play was performing an elite level. When all this happened he'd still be in the NFL NFL? Probably Yeah. I think that's a really good point because we keep we give great players a lot more leeway down Josh Gordon's and men Manteaux browns and guys like that for for reasons. That are more disruptive than than Colin Kaepernick's political show political stances assist. That's the issue here. But that's the case was the case in the world status. There's always a double standard involved in. And that's that's it's going to be the problem for him. I if I were a team like say Tennessee where I'm going to have a quarterback controversy because Mariota will be gone presumably antenna hills on a one year contract. I'd sign him now. And just just for the sense of having somebody there who I can work with for for the remaining months of the season and then have for next year so that there isn't a void where the quarterback position should be s and best case scenario. You draft a quarterback and you've got capture nick there to do that kind of one year veteran stand. Dan didn't stand it. I mean Denver. Can the kid couldn't elway get loose from Joe FLACCO. I mean look at look at Carolina when we were on the Kyle Bandwagon as far as that went but but always game manager yeah quote unquote and that that gets caught up so you can't. You can't can't show defensive coordinators what you don't want to do before they start trying to force you to do what you don't want to talk to him. You know well this next season the quarterback back situation around various the NFL here in a significant need. Of course the news breaking over the weekend. We got into this on the PO. Monday with Ben Isaacs about two at this getting his hip out of the season out of the draft of the first round of the drop by all accounts you'd think given the significance of the injury and that was something that Ben suggested as is an option at team taking him as value pick albeit a gamble value pick and say the second or third round and having him sit. He's not gonNA be able to play next season under and more experienced quarterback. Yeah that would be. That would be a smart move but he has to declare. That's the problem. He would have to declare for the draft and not declaring in spending a year out and then and then going back to Alabama maybe playing or maybe not depending on what. Nick Sabin does regarding now what he was doing the game at that point. I'm not convinced I'm not quite convinced events but you have to. You have to run up scores and college football because Alabama now has a loss. So they're going to get into the playoff. They have to beat people. Oh by bigger scores and tried to impress people. Don't actually watch the Games but read the scores and vote for it. So there's always a lot of running up the score thinking off to the bench on Monday about quarterback situation because we discussed on the show that it might not be the worst thing for two or there might be some good that comes out of this and that because it will change his trajectory. He ended up bouncing into a situation that long-term on the basis he's able to play to the same level that will benefit and far the first drive ended up at the bengals. Absolutely you know. And he's got extra time to learn in the classroom in the film room I'm thinking of like Frank Gore Springs to mind is a guy who went later than he should've because he suffered a really bad knee injury right and you you the team Trying to think who drafted him But you draft him and then Redshirt a benefit in effect for year. You know if you could get to. I don't know if a team would be willing to risk second round pick. Maybe third or lower are low second round pick in terms of quarterback situation. Something that is fascinating. There's like so much in life. There's a huge amount of talent island better fare better luck as well in terms of where you land where you're bouncing back Prescott the poster boy for that as well. He was in the right place at the right time to take up and and how how he's changed from from I mean he was more than a quote unquote game manager. When when they had that? Great season with Zeke Elliot. But right now he is the cow. He's carrying the team on his shoulders. I also should be the MVP in the CONVER- in the conversation I think about autopsy Cuyler Murray for example. He's going into a great situation because he's got a coach wants is to to use him the way he needs to. But it's still it's still a difficult Transition the him and we saw that I was watching the game against San Francisco and he was. He's having having troubles making bad. Read Smith in that throws it will come around you know but it you you almost think it might be easier if he were still under studying somebody. The problem is of course. You don't have many people who can do the kind of offense that Kingsbury wants wants to do. A Beckham was a funny one because it was a super blandino it was a super bowl. Super Blandino twenty penalties for two hundred and thirty one yards expecting one mega blandino. Yeah I mean I. It has uh-huh because we all know from Mike Pereira Jeans Territory Dean Blandino that the reason we watch the. NFL's to watch referees. Make the right decision even if it takes twenty minutes of watching it woven over again to getting into fishing quickly. That's kind of bounce around to the Texas and the Andre Hopkins Interference Call. It wasn't given bit was challenged. That still wasn't giving feel sorry for bill. O'Brien statistically we get into this on on the radio show on Sunday. These challenges are just. It's not going to be at a time one. That San Francisco gave Richard Sherman. That's that's true with wrote about that and it was pretty. It was pretty late. Just just like the just like the one on. Humphries was for the for the Ravens. I mean humphries was was it was like three interference. His left arm around the guy pulling him back his what his right arm came through him in the helmet and then he came down and grabbed his arm with his right arm but it was like. Was this house not giving house on review already rows it. Okay how can you do. You think that is happening. Do you think they had to be something off to the championship game. Yes this end. But they didn't really make any knee-jerk overreaction which is always the case with the NFL and what are they worried about that when it so agreed. We're not worried if it's not a national game in prime you're setting and but when but it is and you get you get the hubbub that comes around that they think we have to do something that what they do is almost always because they. They don't don't necessarily rewrite the rule as much as they write the interpretation of the rule and as I keep saying the pass interference rule is quite simple once the balls in the air. You cannot interfere Peter with the right now and what they've done through interpretation they've paraded Mike Pereira's so that interfering means gaining an unlikely advantage to the one thing you always have to remember is the receiver has to catch the ball. The defensive back doesn't have to catch the ball that means if he's quote unquote arm. Fight your hand fighting's word. They like like to use if he's hand fighting with the receiver. It doesn't hurt him at all. He doesn't care about catching the ball with receiver. Can't catch the ball. Someone's holding your wrists your you know. And it's it's like it's it's the basketball ization in the sense of of American football. And I I really think it's one of those things that that needs to be rewritten or now go back to the original kind of definition and make the calls even if it ruins the game temporarily because eventually the players will have to come by in basketball. When I was a kid I remember how it started? A defensive player would put his hand on the guy with the ball as he's dribbling and if the referee didn't call it the next I think you do is you get your other and it goes down that slippery slope and that's what's happened but it makes it makes the game random. It's kind of like rugby refereeing. You know where you. I don't know which rules the rugby referee. How interprets and you you really want you? Don't you don't necessarily want right or wrong. You want consistent. That's that's that's who we we won't. Hey speaking of slippery slopes and go down. Let's get your top five okay. Well the top five international players given that we're talking about the NFL Academy. It seemed like the great thing to do and I realized you have to a divide this up in some ways because first off the definition of international players in my mind now doesn't include guys like Ted Hendricks was born in Guatemala or Leo nominee was born born in Italy. Six months then moved immigrants or their their parents. hines ward was born in Korea. Because his father was in the army serving those guys don't count counts so we want them off the slate right away. Then kickers were separate categories. We're GONNA have a top five kickers so the top five kickers apologies to my buddy mick. Walker's because he's Baker the list of Sebastian Janikowski from Poland National under seventeen or something football player. And then he outgrew Bruce Soccer basically Gary Anderson from South Africa most famous for missing the kicked would have beaten Would beaten Atlanta. Minnesota would've that year Randall. Cunningham Randy Moss Pico Glac the original soccer style kicker from hungry he and his brother. Charlie both went to Ivy League Colleges Pizza Cornell L. Charlie to Princeton both went to the NFL. He was the first soccer style. Kicker that changed football completely that Third Johnston a rude Norwegian. I kick her in the hall of fame. I pure kicker Lou groza award in the sixties for the Kansas City chiefs number two. Darren Bennett the punter from Australia. Who I knew from Amsterdam Avenue was good in a soda? He revised punting the same way that that Pico lack doc revised place kicking all of a sudden. He showed you that you could do more than just hold the ball flat and boom it up in the air. He could put backspin on place it where he wanted to do it. He was a great tackler because he's Nosey rules player so he he loved covering and tackling at number one is morten Andersen who is probably the greatest place. Kicker time apologies hadn't been a terry but you. Yeah that'll be. That'll be a battle so into the others us right now by the way nick is in Atlanta still and very successful. Last time I talk to me he had a business he was on the show with. He was on one of the light gains when he ensure sports events against the things that insurance companies don't do like acts of God That might hitting your your stadium and then you have to refund all the tickets I. It's it's a good so anyway this this was interesting because you get into that question of at what age then. Do you get extra credit to guys who came to America later caught. Who came early and I finally decided that would just kind of do it myself? Say so guys like Tom. Bahali Danielle Hunter from Jamaica. Tom Ali also from from from Jamaica. The Patriots Safety Patrick Chung Chung when he was ten those. This guy did didn't quite make the cut David. Only Mata from Nigeria a Israel Indonesia from Nigeria who played in NFL Europe and and Adam God's this and Margus Hunt Margus Hunt You guys remember from the Cincinnati Bengals on hard knocks and Adam Gaza's Australia came up through Australian junior football. which just really so anyway at the top five? We're able to English guys like Jack Crawford who doesn't get enough attention but he's had a really good career and his Donaldson Donaldson sacrilegious. And of course our buddy. Jj Back to the states at eight seven so he actually grew up. This is still true trueblue Englishman and as you tell every time he talks with each side now so that's good news for everybody number. Four Sebastian Volmer from Germany nate came through German youth program. International Program got signed by the University of Houston and had a good career with the Patriots at right and left tackles number three. Ziggy the answer. Who came from Ghana age of nineteen as a basketball player at Byu? They brought bake brought him over and switched to football what he could make the basketball team are our good buddy the my main man. OC You're right. I know number one number two to five yeah now. OC was fourteen when he went to the states so he did get to play a bit of college. Put a great defensive end and at number one is Christian Okoye. The Nigeria nightmare came over at age. Twenty one as a track guy you know like a sprinter who had two hundred and fifty pounds and immediately became a runny a running back sensation and and had a great career so he gets nudged out by crop. It'd be happy about inflating joke because it it makes working with him so much. Even though it's always it's always gonNA find this episode rough on republish it's going to blow up you'll face but we're out of time. We got what what to do here. Of course the academy. This isn't rourke but it's actually the academic dropping get rice peeled for that and now back do a bump mailbox next shortly. It's how you follow us on social media we are back Friday from ESPN. We'll see them by for now from. I'm Mike he's back in business next week of course can follow him at cosme. Sports arena stuff Mike. Carlson F- Mt Patrie on site might call some FM. If you had a patron dot com and you'll get to his stylings right then as I said at the top of the show fantastic guests coming up the now it was in the NFL Academy House launching that Jim one of the greatest players of old timer. We got some time with him on Tuesday. The Brilliant Jerry Rice Derry won. The academy launched a lot of the media coverage concentrated on. Are we going to see plays from the academy in the NFL. Sal but there's far more to the academy that yeah it's a lot more is a lice life lessons all of that. Then you know you get the education and also the character and all about putting these kids in a better position and you know I think a lot of these kids. Mike it opportunity to come to the US us go to college and all that so it's all about putting him in a better position with one of the great head coaches. You'll probably say the greatest head coach. Bill Walsh when you get get out there with the players later on. You're going to be channeling some of his key philosophies some of his key messages yeah you know I think just talking to the players letting them know that. Hey you know we're human And with the White Right coaching and all that you might have the opportunity of playing the game that you love uh you might be the dominant a rough You know if you pour your heart into it and something that you love doing. We've seen plays transition from different sports. What's an internationally on the line? Running backs tight ends very few receivers. Sorry fought you think that's something that that will change with the launch and the running the academy like this Kademi. I think only about thirty percent. You know because everyone else is playing rugby boxing other sports and stuff like that and now these kids are trying to transition into football. So it's GonNa take some time he's GonNa take some great coaching. But you know you never know you know One of these guys guys from the academy might go on and play NFL football. Let's talk about your forty united having a fantastic season of course who'd he sees the biggest threat in the NFC. It's something getting to the Super Bowl. I think Seattle Seattle was going to be hard to deal with because of Russell Wilson and you know the way. This guy can assess what's happening happening. Downfield the way he can expand plays and then he's still got great vision Downfield so I would say the Seattle Seattle seahawks no but then guy The Saints the Cowboys Philadelphia via it could be any can go on and on you just never know why but but I I think it's we in control of our own destiny right now being at nine one. You know you are in control in a bad position to be in. That's why you WANNA be Russia. WanNa be Russell. Wilson drew brees the saints. Of course out of the card our quarterback's which one would you have liked to play with the most. Come on now. You're not going to put me on the spot like that. Okay go with no breeze. Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson I would say Tom Brady and one more Jimmy G. G.. I was waiting for that to one. Movie VISITA NCA- in terms of the the receivers out there right now which receives do you look at your really admire very open again you. Julio Jones he brings everything man he got the size the speed he and Larry Fitzgerald Hopkins There's a lot of good receivers out there. Even you know you look at the smaller guys element and and stuff like that with the Ron Pass. Option is totally different ballgame quarterback either No no no no. Yeah Yeah and I. I know Tom Brady is a little upset with the offense right now and I think element that they had. What a tag team? 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Opening Night

The Nat Coombs Show

32:39 min | 1 year ago

Opening Night

"I welcome to the show presented by Potty Palo fantasy coming to you from the Miami Marlins Stadium in Miami Florida the Super Bowl fifty four bill dot starts right here with the biggest the brushes and I would say the best sports media event on the planet opening night. This is off the shots. Shots gang with the plans for the forty nine and the chiefs get to meet the world's media. I WANNA say well to media I made it. There are hundreds and hundreds of press for all across the Aglow PAC tin to the stadium to get that questions to the superstars to mention thousands of factor. You probably hear in the background as well. We got the chiefs cheerleaders. It is on the stage right now. Warming up the assembled throng so much to get into a Lebanese friends will make a lot of familiar. Faces will run into. Let's paint the picture. I think I would one of those old friends of us. The Great Jason Jason. This is like no other sports media in the world. Do you feel it. I mean it hasn't even started and you just feel the intensity this is what makes the NFL NFL amazing painting the picture fabric of what happens on opening night. Well all the players finally get exposed to the media everybody. He wants a piece of them because they are in the big gang but now they know all the focus is on them and they're ready for this but they understand they gotta get their personalities out there here and talk about the game coming up and do all this while trying to be calm and cool and just be relaxed for the game. They gotTA play on Sunday. The thing on the one hand you think. This says a welcome distraction from the game on Sunday but then you look at the scale of it the amount of media that the amount of people watching around the world on opening night just gets bigger and bigger get an biggest so it's also a huge a pressure in some ways on the place isn't it. He adds a ton of pressure. But I think in this day and age the players understand that getting their voice out there and being in heard is important for them so this gives them the platform to do it. That's what I love about the NFL. I mean they're all ready for it. Don't get it. Don't make the mistake but still it is huge and they have to stay composed talk about the tearing system because you have the superstar player that the headline acts and then all the other place place that that a second billing is that they come to terms with that and realized that what s quite difficult thing to navigate. You'RE NOT GONNA get one of those top spot so you don't get to be tyreek. Hill Travis Calcio Ogura Polo. You're a player. That is a street a second. Hair Fatty shitty think navigating that I mean it's tough. I think they know there's only so many chairs up there. So Eh they know what. But it's fun for us here because you get to see one of the best starters on their team just walking around with the media and if you know who he is you can go up to him talk to him so that makes it great. I mean there's only so many chairs and there's fifty guys fifty two guys so yeah they understand we know you're one of the most connected man in football that's going to help and little right because everybody's battling jockey for position you don't know the people's he can probably slide in the inside lane right. Sometimes I could pull that off but what I do as I call them and I say hey. Let's try to talk later on in the week. Your Neck Jay Bell said the scale the size as of opening night is something to hold and whether you're a seasoned veteran or rookie most of these players are experiencing this for the very first time. So what does it feel like like I'll go in amongst the players to find out then this weekend man I was just having to be a part of it I mean first versus the first time in the Super Bowl. I think he'll get better than that. You know so well. How would you describe what's going on tonight? Feel pressure in going into one of the biggest weeks. The biggest games of your life. Is this a good distraction or is it can add to the pressure. I mean I think the pressure always up the super bowl last game so pressure going bid up but man if you just you take one day at a time like I was telling earlier airtime man go through preparation and prepare for the game. I think you'd be just fine. Did it help going through to the National Championship as a college player is that is that good preparation super bowl week. I kind of a bigger stage. You know definitely get you get you in the in the right in the right ballpark wouldn't notice because we played in San Francisco the big game and Especially Alabama and and the thing that we went through the preparation so I kind of know how to prepare it and keep my head focused and limited limited distraction. Distraction so it's Kinda Kinda crazy This is my first time doing anything like this We had something in college like media thing. For one of the bowls we are in but it was not as many people and It was not as Kinda hectic which is like how everybody's just kind of walking around but it's cool just seen all the media here fans. There's it's awesome the fans. I mean. That's a new dish in the last few years not been watching a stunning awaiting to interview. Yeah how many fans are calling in your name. It's IT'S A. It's a good addition to opening night. Isn't that bringing the Fonzie. I'd everything that's cool I feel like it'd be Kinda dead without them. Obviously there's a lot going on but I kind of like having a little extra buzzed behind you. Oh Man I've been asking a lot of different things. What are the guys asked me to go? Ask other players questions that were. I didn't feel comfortable comfortable asking him. so that was something different because Joe for him. Yeah he's he asked me to be a journalist for a little bit. It must be quite relaxed the loose-knit to go through this. Yeah you know this is a fun environment you know You know I've tried not to be stressed in you know. Just gotTa have some fun with it. It's easier said than done though isn't it. What are you going coming up against coming into the biggest game I guess yeah absolutely and You know if you focus on that you think about that that could it could be a distraction but You know we'll just take each moment for what it is and Focused on what what you need to do. I think I think it'll go well. McCullough Dante Pettis Daniel Sorensen and painting the picture. The emotion the feelings of being right in the middle of opening night. One of the talking points this week in Miami is the much improved Kansas City chiefs defense. What's been the secret? The turnaround while I found Corner Bizarre Bruin to find out more looking at the scale of opening night and it is the biggest sporting media van in the world wants to be right in the middle of it as a plan. I mean if you're a great Not An opportunity to really be able to speak to the media really get their story out And this opportunity of the a lot of people don't get a lifetime is a great feeling to be able to have the opportunity to do that. Do you think. Is it going through your mind that you might never come back here again. I was saying earlier and you know what I mean like. He's GonNa live. You never know when you get back. It's hard to really get to this game. You know what I mean like wherever that involves of get into this game a lot of teams really click on all cylinders also all year So when you finally get what is very special you had to go through and locked up because he hit Miami as well so you could be Minnesota it could it be minus fifteen outside it. Could that would have been a been a going to help us. You Know I. We always see that we played a coal game downfall. I'll see it as I really feel like going saying that that. That's that's what we do. Talk about his chiefs defense and Nolan particular who it must be really significant that he's he's been undone it not once but twice the architect of those brilliant John's defenses young man. You know what I mean. He's brilliant coach. Where you know what? I mean like very energetic. Janet very charismatic. You care about his players and quite hands on really. Want your guy who wanted to get better. So there's no sitting on the sidelines watching the office due to do what they do watching the football game now we we. We put in the age to work. He really get out there and do it with us. What I'm saying? Put US drills If you need help in catching a ball of certain where he puts you through those so you can learn how to catch the ball the same way and I like that about Co Spanish. He's a great guy. I mean who wouldn't want to play for. It's one of the most improved defenses in the. NFL is no doubt about that and that must feel good being unit being a part of a team for the last few years everyone said well. Dynamite offense electrical an extra fence but the defense is the weak link. Now it's much more balanced. Isn't it it. Is You know what I mean. It takes time. You gotta you Bill Chemistry. You got different guys coming here so take time and we knew we had A. We had a challenge Putting a new defense no me like a lot of different players really company and got. I gotta come into play key roles so we knew newell is GonNa be a challenge but I really commend the guys and the guys that we have in the room in the coach said that we have like the things that they really give us their heirs to really go out there. Yeah really play fashion. What is remarkable is tremendous? I mean I'm glad to be part of a social group. One Mafia Andy. Reid is such a popular coach with anyone who loves the game. He's such an innovator he's achieved so much. What would it mean to win a super bowl for everything? I mean the Word Hill. They'll be able to help him get that. I mean like a long time coming. You know what I'm saying. Some people are overdue for some things and he's overdue and this is his moment I I'll I just got an opportunity to be a part to to make that happen for her son and now it wouldn't be fair if we didn't get the other side of the story. The San Francisco Forty niners defense one of the very best in the business and dry greenlaw made a play against the Seattle seahawks that was instrumental in that playoff path breath and some people suggest instrumental in how the forty nine has ended up in the super bowl would have been a very different story. If they beat on the road during the playoffs playoff stretch renal one of the real success stories of the forty niners defense this season I caught up with him. Difficult thing I guess being a player in the biggest week a AH playing career having to go through this questions kinds of crazy questions from reporters more around the world. What have you made of opening night? Man It's been it's been a crazy crazy opening nightman and You know just all the reporters and I know all the fast they came out to support is like no other. America's just is kind of just as super bowl filling the manager. Some of the some of the questions I guess. Some of the reporters is What's The craziest question in Austin? I think what was the nastiest food I think he wants. It was like the craziest food I think it was like Chitlins Chilin Oughta people know what that is but got got a fraud to try snails. That's going to be on an HR stay well clear of them. Let's talk some defense because one of the big narratives the big stories going into the game of course. Is this great forty niners defense against great chiefs offense. What's it like being part of this Robert Sally Unit This is awesome man just to be there and go to wherever they were my brothers You know just the energy and effort that they gave man You know Just as a rookie to go out there and you know and contribute As a special film we suddenly have contributed on Jacob Hollister. It's really changed the trajectory. The fourteen hundred season such an important play. What did coach Salad? Seiyu after that. just congratulate me on my job and doing my comment and You know just just really excited about the weekend. Everybody you know in the locker room was and we know how much vanished. You can have so It was as you know. Everybody just gave me. Thanks it's real excited you. The most popular player in the Locker Room on that out definitely was very self deprecating about to offer. It's so you know I did a few things things right but there are things that need to work on. Midi referenced. Improving concentrating on that. Is that very much a philosophy of this fourteen hundred site. Oh definitely math every game eh. We look back on tape man. We don't look at the things really got the bathroom so You know as a player as somebody that wants to aspire to be great. I mean you've gotta look back and look at the daisy. Didn't so well and you know own up to it and be able to make those corrections that the next week so We try to focus on is doing our job and I saw him doing one hundred percent at the time. It's a huge task on Sunday because you're up against one of the great offensive minds in the NFL full stop. I don't fence that there's so many different weapons as well like getting a wet start in terms of stopping right. I mean they Gaza all over the field and There's GonNa be it's GonNa be a fun time playing against them and We know how much of a challenge is going to be in. You know as a defense world China's going out there and give it all just like they are going to be it's GonNa be a great game you feel was that do you feel. Does that feel ready as we just heard from Dr Green the Kansas City offense has got plenty of strength strength in depth. Let's hear from one of the place that could make a real headline name for himself on Sunday Receiver Democracy Robinson being from the UK. We have football champions. Probably the biggest thing we have. Maybe the World Cup play access for media's nothing like this yeah no the event is off the scale your fifteen minutes in now being grab left right and center questions body left right and center country ahead right now now just a real managers loving moment just enjoying one. Yeah it's a great. It's a great great time to be here right now and now. I'm glad as I say right now. We're supposed to be here last year but we're not gonNA speak on that so we just taken out of their in right now and. There's a great Philip on that. What happened last year going into last off season? And how you're getting mentally ready for this season. What you yourself just said? We've got to be better than we were last year just grinding harder than we did last game mentally and more physically prepared and now I think we did a great job with that and we're not done yet. We gotTa Keep WanNa Sunday. What is it like walking in this offense Sandy? Reid is one of the great innovators in the game. The enemy under eight figgy probably glad that a lot of the hot seats were filled without snatching him right. What's it like playing the offensive with all these all these weapons in there? It's the unpredictability. Improvisation it must be really exciting to be a partner. It's the most real thing to be a party to office. I'm glad I'M GONNA put his office whether not be any office in the league. But this one because we definitely make plays and we've got the best the best quarterback and I'm glad I'm catching. There's an from him. The fact that he can improvise your quarterback that keeps you on top of your game as well again correct. It does and how do you I mean you can't mentally prepared for that so I I mean how does he push you on that front. I think he actually pushes not in that aspect. Just be focused on his part. I think we just gotTa be focused on our part. And now everything just connects. Switch other to combat Andy Reid. He's one of the most popular figures in the game. One of the great minds of the game chiefs. Oh much what would it mean to win the super bowl for him. I Wanna I got so much. I want to win the Super Bowl myself for him but I can't do it myself so I know all of us are just honing in right now. This is a real moment. We all take them but we are still stands so focused to bring that to bring that one. Go home all right. We're good luck on Sunday. Thank you thanks and other big story this week of course is what kind of offense we're going to see on Sunday from the San Francisco. Forty nine his whether it's going to be a passing evie compared to the last two games or whether they stick with the Ron one of the key protagonists all of it to make it tick is lyman. Bengali we cover a lot of sports in the UK. We Go Champions League the World Cup. He comes to the super bowl putting night every year. It's still shocks us. In terms of how off the chart it is and he seems to be getting bigger and bigger a Russia in boulder absolutely. I mean it's a huge event. Anna works out to be a part of it. Plays say it is a welcome distraction in the weeks Building up to Sunday easy said than done the right absolutely easier said than DON and. There's a lot of distractions during this week and really going to focus on the game in order to be ready for it. How do you do that though? Because there's something to say but to put into practice how yet because you've got family and tickets then you're in Miami and the Sun Shining. So how do you focus on again. I I get all the logistics away early. Make sure you have all that squared away. Family tickets hotels then after that you gotta just make that sacrifice to know like yes. I'm in Miami but if we focus we work hard here we are something great and we'd go to Miami as much as we won the house. I guess one of the obvious conclusions to make when you see the amount of media that's here in the media. That's here were week a lot of the same things. The same narratives messages. Keep getting China again and again and one of the big one is and Jimmy. Garoppolo throw the ball had afforded win the game that way when you look at the numbers the data seventy no when Garoppolo's thrown fifty yards. So it must be driving you guys slightly during that time you hear it all the time. It's things he's an extremely talented quarterback he's he's proven he can throw the ball and run the ball. We can throw the ball and we're devos estate dangerous to be underestimated degree. I think it doesn't make any sense. I Love Art. Art Underestimate me all day in a question about weight line on on Shanahan because essentially going up against Andy Reid who is one of the great innovators and cut Shanahan's forging the same aim partners You know an incredible mind you talk to players that have with him when he was a coordinator now head coach that blown away. By how he he compares to other coaches. According they've played on that what does he like lying under and I am under as a coordinator with us at Atlanta and as a head coach Muscian absolutely under said absolute genius. INNOVATOR is a meeting on Friday where he explains a lot of thought processes is my favorite meeting every week Allston. Who said I think we played with them right said because because he's working season and he said just though every offensive coordinator was like that? Yeah exactly I mean. He's an absolute genius. He loves playing for him when I saw the opportunity. Flavors San Fran. I jumped on it. Strong international media contingent here plenty of Brits representing including skysports. Neil Reynolds. How does it feel as a fellow dolphins fan to be here all week? We're going to beat us. We ever GONNA see adults. Take those lame connections to the Super Bowl. This is all these factors lattices out Barbara West time on the World Cup all right. Let's let's be clear on that. Let's let's talk about opening night is is now the evolution of it because oh I've watched together a fair bit and even even look back at five years ago New York now just getting bigger and bigger and false remorse. It's just become more or of any more of a stage show so you see the players up on stage all of you see him on the podiums but it's it's chilly to performances. There was the University of Miami Marching Band in here. I feel like we're all kind of just extra in the NFL's movie now. This is essentially is is a press conference so there are a series of press conferences. Couldn't be less like a press conference at tried so it really has evolved. I kind of never been in a massive fan. I think why because he dumps it down a beating yeah. I don't like that I don't ever pull this wearing fancy dress. You GotTa think you'd go to the Cup final where all the Champions League in fancy dress and so. I just think you don't need to do that. The access is great. Go go some great interviews tonight. I love spending time with the players like like no other school on Earth is. Yeah it's really it's late late late all out the players remain. Will they just give you one. What is giving you proper conversations? So that's really good. I just goes with us. Just me. Secretive Maverick the scrums. While this paint the picture for everybody at home you've got the podiums where for the most part. They're a gaggle of reporters around the whole time and then the rest of the plane wondering around the arena. And you go up to let me talk to position and you get to try to hold it for as long as you can't. Sometimes it's bad form. I think somebody's going seven eight minutes with a plan. That's just no. Did you say we retire Matthew. He sold out because I did some. NFL UK live. I go about six questions with him. And I point could hear the huffing side stuff out of cowboy everybody nut for one night only so I just did it some the ones that get you. Yeah you got some people that just stand that one yes I will you do just watch. It also could question on. Just want to Taiwan in in. Yeah let's just watch this as many people here just watching single question. Oh nine I mean we're talking about the scale of this. In terms of sporting booting media events around the world I guess the closest in terms of scale and media attention Champions League final the wall. But it's not it's not even close is it. No I mean now I'd have to. I've been to those. Pr Events in those media things but you know enough people have told me that. There's nothing like this. You know this is. This is what it's all about. This is he's the ultimate. This is what this Gareth Southgate came over and studied it and then we saw England use it ahead of the World Cup. I think this is the kind of gold standard. So I've seen the players are so well trained as well and the only such great mood is there in the super bowl and it's the first day week access to them. Let's say. La On Thursday. A question is a really good point. I mean because you open tonight right one and done get back to that that bubbles and stay out the meat ax is every day and different. Not Quite the same scale but you can walk up. Set up a table chat for twenty minutes. If you and the problem is we've got the same themes we'll go to the same questions. How do you still not as running game also especially by Patrick Mahomes but so there's been a couple of times I've heard people also Elsa question by needs to get my question on camera some really sorry but yeah just GonNa ask you again and they just don't really we are we talking about that? It's part of the GIG being a movie star. They kind of know that both so. It's a little bit like a band. Who knows when the going out until go to play the same song? So let's see let's find a different way of playing at rush. The really smooth operates through that that they know it's eighty eight hundred. Asked that question tonight tonight but the give a different inflections different angles. Yeah I feel like both I mean. I'm seeing the forty nine overseas with recording this but on stage I I've been struck by how relaxed the chiefs were and how into it. They were but then I just looked to the two sets of players to each other on stage. They say all the NFL's Brotherhood but you can see him hugging each other high. Fives and that's great to see Mahomes Garoppolo much branding to each other solves IOS beautiful things beautiful moment a viewpoint you may remember. We was the New York City. Well how relaxed the seahawks on Media Day as it was just so chilled so relaxed and that carry through the Game Day. I was pissed side. That Super Bowl and you can see on the bench. They which a one point Marshall Interest Body popping on the bench just so relaxed all week long. They had me see. He can't pick up some. I guess some kind of idea of how they might play out just by looking at how chilled or otherwise. The place on how Jared Goff just before the kick-off loss is a perfect example. Yeah absolutely terrified and I think they know they have the best teams are the ones that are this brought with it and embrace it. They know they have to do. These media events is whether they like your noise parth Paul when they have to do. Is You quite rightly point right now. I think you know I got back to a few years ago. In San Francisco fi the Wednesday or Thursday Cam Newton. It had enough came in with a hat down down over his head. One word says and now there's no direct correlation so that they lost the game and I don't think he handled the week that well you you just go with it because that is a given you know obviously the players are going to say this when the odds for the thousand time. What are you making of this? What do you think so yeah I'm enjoying ups taking my stride? I'm trying to but a little song going to be able to do that. No they're just GONNA get techy with the same question you know it depends on what your situation is you know I can. I'm very interested to see how Jimmy Garoppolo all the question about having only throwing twenty seven houses in the last two games especially by the time the titans are on the big screen. Sure we're up with the big three back to work. Miami's a super bowl city. You who pro hot weather. Warm weather will say cheese delight in the cold Minnesota a few years ago. Would you like the fact that makes I think probably mixed his. I've loved the fact that it feels like we've had quite a few cold ones right. Feel so we've got a few cold ones So the fact that we're in a nice warm place and and I feel like it's GonNa be great on Game Day to not worry about the weather you know. Let these great teams squad there in seventy three degrees right. I've throw the football around the run the football so by daylight. I did like Minnesota as well for different reasons saying I liked when we were at San Francisco for a year. So I'm mixing Alpine -joyed The New York suppo. You just got your girlfriend question that that's how you get to the throwing with Garoppolo just hit you like the weather center. Weather teams can both teams wink in control. It about Jimmy grow plastic lucky man. How ince might be in trouble to see about Jimmy trusted reynolds titles April now patty power fantasy have a three million pound prize pool for their super bowl contest? How about that nine pounds to enter and check this out? I the kicker makes a field goal. You get your money back simple right. We're going to be shopping on Saturday. The Oh Jeez in town that means is he's Miami ready for the that. Is the question now. Speaking of kick is in the middle of all the chaos tonight we sort out Harrison bucker Robbie gold that you just interview in English and Spanish at the same time trauma best you know one of the greatest will be through. This is all about what it's like. I mean you must be getting asked all kinds of questions. Oh Yeah it's been awesome. You know I've been out on the floor getting a ton of different questions you know. Get a Lotta Trivia questions like that and obviously obviously more serious ones but I'm just soaking it all in on. Never forget this and I don't think as a football player you can get anything more extravagant in this. You know the Super Bowl you know. All the media is out in it's awesome he seen on TV over the last few years. Is it what you expected it. yeah I mean there's been stuff going on everywhere you know. Obviously you know we just got those tickets today so the whole though super bowl tickets and just think about the game on Sunday and all our family and friends being there is amazing but You know I'm trying to stay low for for as long as I can until Sunday game hits and then obviously Rights occasion but right now asleep so precious. I don't WanNA get too excited. I must be the hot bed trying to checks every place says that unfussy on the game I try not to let the Razzmatazz hype. Run Away with me but that must be hard to keep focus. I think if you're if you're always moved to the TV always glued to social media. It might be hard so I think just kind of put that's up to the side as much as you can. Obviously it's all around us The better you're GONNA You're going to do in the game so I think it's just kind of sticking it out process and treated like every other game as best as you. Can you know and just realize that. That is just another game. Kicker Kerr is one of the most interesting roles and all the sporty because you can be fairly incidental in a game for a little bit and then suddenly the entire game the entire season but destiny of this. His team could could fool on your show to set. y'All think about that. How did you mentally prepare for the fat? You could be kicking field goal to win the Super Bowl team prepare. Like I'm going GonNa have that opportunity every game. Obviously every game is not the Super Bowl but every game. I'm thinking in my head right. This is GonNa come down to you. You're going to have to make that big kick and that kind of influences the way that I prepare that whole week before influences the way that I prepare in the off season you know because you go on a streak of a couple of games mayor you know they were blowout. Wins or blowout losses. Do Anything and then you might have that one game where you know. You're going to be the deciding factor on a winner loss. You better hope you've been putting in the work so I have you know Obviously doing the best I can and this week to To give me ready to go for Sunday Andy Reid one of the great figures in the game the great minds great. Innovators what would it mean to be part of a team that won a super bowl. Awful Him Oh man it means so much I mean this is a coach that has had such a great career and I know everyone on this team is gonNA to fight to to the best of their ability to give coach read a super bowl ring and give him a super bowl championship title so You know he's been great to me. He's been great to the whole team. He's a great coach. And you know we're we're going to do whatever we can get him the Super Bowl. We come over from opening night every year. Just gets it's bigger crazy What do you make it? It'll it'll probably be in two arenas point this is growing because it's great for the Grapefruit League League also think it's awesome for the guys to get experience. I'm here in Super Bowl Week. You know make the most of it because you might know. Come back but you really get a sense watching last night in the thick of this and the fines and you'll take time and your teammates onto sign autographs and get amongst them. It's a special night. Yes the last time I play playing. This game is didn't exist. A Media Day was media only and it's kind of unique to be able to see fans get to understand what opening night media night is all about about Glad that they're able to come in and share the experience the players one of the few that has been here. How important experience and what you're saying about another big because some guys might not know what to expect and it's not a lot of talk about you know? What is it like what's going to happen? What is this? And what's that. I think if they ask asser question and he answered if not just go about business as usual curious one of the most fascinating positions at all is sports a lot on the NFL because he can have a long period in a game. I've rented right and then you're called upon to win a game to change the course of a season change the course of career mental pressures. Yeah you know you just gotTa enjoy the moment that you're in Make every moment count. And it's kind of unique because I was I've been able to play in the UK twice now and I went over to the UK. All they cheered for was big heads kicker. So I was great having charismatic quarterback in the game over there as well and be able to share are those moments with Really people all over the globe is pretty pretty naked. I guess a Lotta the team is mentally visualizing preparing that moment they can make to to change the course close to the game and again going back to being a kicker you might be called upon set kicked the game winning field goal to win the super bowl how he can say. I get my headset for that. Capacity the path that it's probably going to happen on a game like this to really good teams and serve all probably come down a few few opportunities Just prepare like you wouldn't in practice every day and know that it's no different than any other day of right now. Is that simple. That is just about it from us here at opening night but plenty more where that came from this week in Miami live shows Wednesday Wednesday Thursday Friday from South Beach dropping twelve o'clock uk time live on the ESPN U.. K. Youtube Channel. We're going to drop those episodes pocos. I'm probably the whole videos as well or across the ESPN UK social media channels at the NC show. FACEBOOK instagram twitter. How about Jay Bell? Donald Ski I'm and Mike Carlson and plenty more besides to join us Wednesday as we build up the gates.

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Can the Cowboys Win it All?

The Nat Coombs Show

40:12 min | Last month

Can the Cowboys Win it All?

"Hello and welcome to the show on. Espn good to have you with us. As we build up to the twenty twenty one season episodes dropping and fast which means the guest list is expanding with some big heavyweight. Names coming your way including today's guest one of our favorites he's been entrenched in the nfl capable carseat for many years. Always enjoy his takes on things including his beloved dallas cowboys. And we're gonna franchise focus on them in particular on today's shows a cowboys fans. Keep your ears peeled a welcome. The brilliant richard. Great crazy good to see man. We just both been compared to simon cowe by the producer before we started which is a great start. Compliments is it definitely take that at least fifty one percent compliment. If you're wondering why go check out the nc show. That's where he put videos from the show on facebook instagram twitter. First things first good to see him at this time of year graves. You went we as i'm sure you are going to be exactly the same boat as me. Go up the annual guides are right. Let's compare notes. I've got my lindy's achy. Doubling down on lindy's lisa still run the cheerleaders centerfold which is interesting. What you you get the obstacles right. of course. i do college football athlone. William college walks with during college days. They're going to be up to speed with with. Ben is is of course and then add another athlon as well. What about you. The full set graves. You've got six or seven of these. You like getting the whole shebang will. I've moved on into the twenty percent channel so much they're back soft backpay granules i. I'm more streaming online. Can i get information from way. Possible at my wife's loses her ragweed may occasionally. We put that ipod down. Obviously other tablets. Our babe But yeah this this time of year. Look we've had six seven months wearing so we'll being told and now finally you got the guys putting pass back on with a ball in their hand and you know the start of the season is every five or six weeks away get excited you know the season. Starting when the new york giants fighting in practice. Matt is happening. Which is putting a smile at your face. I'm sure being a devote diehard a devout devote devout diane dallas cowboys fan. So that's where. I wanna start with exhibit. Want wanna get into. But i one we'd be doing as a know you're an audit listener of the show. And you know reading or franchise deep dive. So we're gonna cut it double down with the decent new stuff as well but as your hair and we wanna talk. Haven't talked cowboys yet. We'll do a franchise focus on the cowboys. And just get sensor of where they're at because that feels understandably. I guess a huge amount of optimism going to this season. Is that something that your sharing in you. Going into the season as much as he can be is a dallas fan. Relatively confident halo. Any dallas span will sympathize with assessment. Every year is our year so to stay jerry. Jones talks on the cowboys. America's team the richest sporting franchise in the world right. Now you'd have a five billion dollars but the problem is they haven't won a super bowl in quarter of a century being to the super bowl in that period of time. You know you look at some of the teams that have got bad to carolina. Panthers have been. That's the philadelphia. Eagles have won. I lombardi trophy in that side. There are plenty of teams that have actually been to dobbs without talking the talk set space. It's not giants as well. Obviously doubling down in that time Rub so in the wound when that's he faces rivals joy success. Well and i'll throw another name into the port right now. The washington football team. You know you look at the way that rome rivera brought them along last year. No hope is decide last year in the nfc to the title and make the postseason and make no mistake. Their defense is real and they say you need to be feared. They say defense wins. Championships will watch out for this washington. Same everyone in dallas talks about that offense the weapons dak prescott as equally coming out of the backfield. The wide receiving goal with cd. Lamb amari cooper michael galaxy Ads ago. But it's defense ultimately and that's something dallas was sorely lacking last year at starkly bad defense in franchise. History was their worse over that signs so out goes the defensive coordinator incomes down quinn. They had eleven draft picks eight of those spence on defense on the defensive side of the bull. It's young it's an inexperienced unit. The question is can it be just average with that offense. You think just average defense would be enough to take dallas substantially fullwood but the big question mark right now quite frankly. It's not one we got Constitute an sale number weeks into the seas. I that's a great point. You we really is one of the reasons that dallas are amongst the most intriguing sides out that we'll talk about the offense that a bit as we've gone to. Let's get into that. I see dan quinn. Is he say in. Mike nolan gone. I think that could be one of the best sightings of the off season. I know everybody looks at big star names on the field often. Acquisitions rights are looking at the deals that players are going to be less prominence given to retention of plays which is understandable thinking. Even less i guess with coordinator's movie dan quinn. I think could be one of the signings of the off-season crazy. Yeah the biggest name out there on the defensive side of the ball down queen is a head coach. The falcons of course all the way to about fifty one. He was with that. Cool the legion of boom in their prime very in seattle as well so he knows the path in order to make this side of the ball a success. And he's brought with him kia. Neil and i was in chicago when counter neal was drafted atlanta falcons and all the people the jar dos cost. But as this will that. I spoke to john. O'neill was by far the most impressive of those individuals now. He's had suffered as we hit with injuries. The question is tiny stay fit linebacker. I was reading. That seems to be the plan. Certainly it is opening weeks of training camps. Nats ways the playing. Of course they brought him. Molly okay casey. Who can play safety position as well. But i think ideally that gets to look to move kiana neo near the line of scrimmage and see if they can utilize these talents offensively there that first round pick that they didn't really want to take back in april mecum passed since he studied soaks them as potential. Rupture of the quarterback is to be used in situational book in this is rookie season site that there are a lot of unknown snap essentially about this defense because it's a unit that has played together and write that last year. It can only get only get better. I i use. That is what's fascinate. You mentioned quite rightly the the volume of draft capital deployed on on the defense. Which means only gonna stop but Suddenly make opossums as you said. There's a lot of anticipation he's gonna go right. And we known. It's going to be young. And particularly i guess that youth and newness is accentuates over the challenges. Their inner accentuates shortly. Antar in crawford both both retiring right both Heavyweight locker bats in that unit. Both will get away yeah. Let's look at that defensive. Line which will is jeff steady zastava last year. I big money saved on. Salary sees the veterans trans. Sure it up and it didn't work in restaurants now you look at what they do. Have on the defensive side of the ball is a big. If the likes of tristen hail at galle more entering. His second season flashed in a lot of half of it is rookie campaign as well. They've obviously am investors draft capital that hoping scraped competition places and. Then you look at the linebacker. Linebacker go shortly experienced veteran. I'd be surprised if he's employed in some way shape performed on somebody's coaching traits. Not long. he's just got too much knowledge of the game to be left out back and gathering dust but equally if you've got vanish at who didn't have his option picks up During the off season big year for him. Jalen smith a snuffing. they second contracts. He has a lot to prove because he wasn't impressive. Last time round don't make apostles that comes in with a big reputation people on sure exactly how he's guys fit in but there is competition place counter. Neil house meeting that linebacking group as well quite often in a game that you know you these plates linebackers on the field wealth lords to doesn't go so a nice problem bit damp queens and catch chap going further back. Trayvon digs hopes for him. There's another name that getting a lot of buzz in camps. I fought another draft. Pick shawn right. Who is a bay goal. Corner isn't he. He's a fourth round pick. He's with forced robberies. What are the thought of. You wasn't wasn't talked to six foot four right. So he's young bruising. I mean this is the very much secondary that they want to be deploying. And there's no secret that it's very physical secondary of you. How much about him. The shown a bus. He's an interesting because he's taking nuts not overall just reports and it was felt so the time it was something reach for. The cowboys had taken that high in the draft. Like you say a big rangy Defensive back somebody down quinn lives. He has the the tangible. If you like the that fits down quinn did way back then in in seattle You've got kelvin. joseph. They took out here as well. And again. Trying to create competition for places trailing digs is nailed it on stocks. Week walk and he's been making plays right from the word in training camp. The question is who's going to play on the opposite side of the field from him and that's what dallas are hoping they can find out to training camp and competition breeds a hunga and breach talents out there on the field and that that's what they need is so much about his boys defense. That's an unknown right. Now that can go one of two ways. Either you can get on the field week one and a little bit of rabbit scored in the headlights. Oh is much. Wait till about being an unknown. It can be an unknown from week. Once the position then can send me play better than expected. I'd all of a sudden you've got a team consent and you're rolling. What's your sense in terms of the dynamic between between jerry jones mike mccarthy because for a long time i think the perception jason garrett was that jerry jones influence in the team in the front office and every well in the team that guarantee yes man and he was his puppet rightly or wrongly. That was the perception right. And there's probably the retreat. Maybe it was exaggerated beyond reasonable reasonable line but mccarthy is coming in as a much experience head coach a super bowl winning head coach. And the sense was okay. He's going to have a fair amount autonomy and be able to do things his own way. Is your sense that that is what's happening that the actually jerry is. Maybe backed off a little bit. Compared to the last decade that might be a section outside of the organization. Make no mistake about it. Jerry jones is still very much hands on. He's still the owner. The president the general manager of the dallas cowboys and we've saying that from the waist benched himself with the media the opening few weeks writing. I actually think that this is a big year for mccarthy nicer a decade now says he took the green bay packers that super bowl success ironically in dallas. He came in as a high profile coach. Because jerry jones wants to win another super bowl now last year just in cut the mustard you can have the only occupancy like that. The pandemic disrupted training. Camp is a new coaching staff. You play players. They had injuries. That's so fine but other teams coats with with those sort of problems and we've already mentioned the what's the football same one. The nfc ace and you wouldn't say that they were a class a. Braeside round the whole of the year but they found a way to win. That's what the dallas cowboys have got today because man-for-man names on paper are possibly the most talented team in the nfc. You find someone. I doesn't seem to match them out of that competitors but they've been producing it on the field and that's what needs to happen if doesn't and it's another losing record. I think catch mccarthy's on what he's already use the a bit of my a cod to protect that one's got right outta those eventually a. Let's talk about the offense. Because i mean it is huge and exciting. You've nailed it. Grazing the most exciting On paper the strongest unit. Note that in the nfc east arguably amongst the strongest in the nfc. Right because those receivers you mentioned earlier on that. Tri factor of galette lime a coupon almost three thousand yards between him last year in a pretty vanilla offense oversee doc was out. What do you make of lambs rookie season. Because he had just shy of a thousand yards lips very comfortable very much. I hope it's actually in the slot. You got gallup the burner creepers around us so they they accomplish other very well but latin in particular in that rookie class of great receivers that had i guess fed in that first year to varying degrees of productivity was lamb in the mix. I thought he had an outstanding rookie campaign. When you throw into the mix as well but it wasn't four five different would probably have throwing the ball initially season. The new executive All we go that being said he had some drops as well when she will about an will want to improve on bird. Make no mistake. He's another of those talented young players of this cowboys. Same happened the organization. Expect to make a leap on this year. And when he thinks that michael gallup contracts is coming up as well america in a second year of that deal that he signed does get out about the down after the second year as well if they want to take it. It's a big year. It's receiving core of huge for the receiving huge year physique as well but he's got paid so in that respect he's not worry but in terms of credibility although let's put this in a little bit of context right so everybody's talking about the terrible year. Does he kelly had. He had thirteen hundred seventeen yards from scribbling last season. Cool fifty passes eight touchdowns as well so by by anybody else's standards. It wasn't a bad year by by zeke standards of course is one of the elite players in the nfl. It was was that because the team was struggling. The line was banged up. 'cause no leo collins because no tyron smith dot was out for a fat chung Wasn't he last year so the line was great. He didn't have in starting quarterback. The offense as a result was was pretty vanilla. Put it down to that or is that more than meets the eye. Well everything you say is true. Dumpy argued against that. The problem is when you get the best contracts in your position in the nfl. You're expected to then deliver and the points of the critics was that z. Kellyanne having set that bus so high in his first few years in the nfl simply wasn't making. Yeah south dakota sax last year throwing there. What was it three. Four five on both at critical station is what are probably against what he didn't even get such and he was not only costing same position. Surnames costing the cowboys points precious points. That couldn't afford to give up given the situation. They found themselves as you say with all those interests. The offensive line with backup quarterbacks in as well dallas needed to be playing well they need leaders that veterans to stand up and be counted. And zeke elliott. Just didn't have good year last time around. He does that. he's well aware of the question though now is canny bounce back and beat the player. That dallas pavements debate and that's the great unknown where the funds with him today find. I mean clearly an incredible talent but is there a sense. That is a bit mood. You know some players have a bit of an attitude and oto beckham's at other one that does right. whether it's fair or not he has. This persona jay cutler goes maybe story asleep where fans feel that that slightly aloof or just not really not really playing the game. The way they'd like some people are that zeke is that fair defines maybe the womb tomb and same way. They do to other plays a history. Eight say he's been overpaid but when you look at modern day. Nfl and show. We'll discuss nick shove as well contracts. He's just signed a bay. In in. cleveland look zeke. Elliott's the money. He's got his agent assure he's done very well. And but from southbound zeke elliott in the steel but the problem as in a bone day. Nfl sunday a huge chunk of your salary. Cap is position just quite frankly isn't valued as much as it once was in this league. And when you pay that so the money that players dots to deliver. And zeke elliott has been the player that everybody dallas knows. He can't bake for a good couple of years now. This wasn't just a won't see some wonder la last time out. And that's why the question marks hanging over him in the offensive line going into this season. I think i'm really saying is grated six. They were all in the nfl by pro football. Focus that if they stay healthy now they will create the lanes. If that's the case. But zeke elliott has got to have that burst and be able to break tackles like we saw in the first two or three years of his career and earl that you churn out the stats big. That he did put up last year. They were luckily down on the year before and the and before they were down the previous as well so that the overall trend isn't a good one because he kelly and that's what he's going to turn around and that's why the fans has his neck. Yeah it's a great point you make because we see this. I guess in so many different sports. But when you get to that at look everyone i- disparaging about the new show. I mean this guy's an elite athlete could do things. I can dream right but go up and up getting the very best of the best of the best. That's a perception that every time you touch the ball every time you're involved and you'll go to do something extraordinary and i guess that is accentuated when the team is struggling and the logic he's while particularly and hit with this position if the line around. He's bad there's no passing game then of course it's going to be incredibly difficult for you to be as productive as you typically are. The counter-argument is well. That's exactly what. I need you to make something happen because the light is bad. There's no there's no area tax. So i do see both sides and i wish i would. I would say if you look at their back. Authored last season seems what loading the box against the cowboys. Kelly when they knew that. Zeke elliott was the only real weapons they had they hatched. You have dr gilbert quarterback. Oh the rookie quarterback of there in philly. They were putting seventy in the in the box. And zeke elliott still wasn't breaking those big runs out of hand but i'm fairly sure he can count on one hand. How many runs if yasser boise. It had in the mold of la season now that that is a a k staff. Somebody likes as one that needs to change this season. If he's dead to live up to that contract did daddy dimes have more twenty. Plus runs in zeke elliott last season other. Let's let's look at the rivals then because on paper. You're right that that that there's any argument the cowboys absolutely offensively and i think collectively of the strongest team in the nfc. We've talked about the formidable defence of the washington football team failure in transition estate flux the giants and maybe the most intriguing tons of winnow. Quite sure where they're going to be gone all in on danny dimes. Because they've given him golladay they've given him. The invested in the draft is wild and spent big in the receiver position that shoots minority interesting receiving coal saquon now a lot of issues about how he's going beat if he's even going to start a season right but when he factor in you've got slate nego shepherd you've got judge a year in. Do we think the giants have may be going to be on the inside rail the biggest threat to dallas in terms of winning the division and perhaps washington are no. I'll i'll welcome the criticism. But i'll tell you why because it's a huge year for donnie dimes. As you seem to life to coyly right now know. John bans that puts their stumbles and say well. Let's have the nickname straight playing game. Because his is a been a killer for that josh. See over the last couple of a lotta them right. Yeah i mean it's not just the deceptions as fumbles He can't look after the bowl when when he gets faculty doesn't protect the ball. And that is an issue for both him and the new york giants football team but it starts with the offensive line in the trenches ad for only talked about the weapons and bringing cutting is a great signing acquisition stat receiving. Cool if you compensate the quarterback and give him saad sit during the pocket. You're not gonna make any us downfield. And that's still problems. What i see looking at the new york giants football same they haven't really upgraded on that offensive. Line yeah They didn't gel last year and they've got some improvements to do if they convinced me that against don't send us this time around they. Someone made the point. I quite recently. That when we look at what's in progressive. Look say what state. Washington is a parallel here. So that brilliant defensive front seven how many first round brad pitt in that mix rights four or five i think and the new giants offensive line just a perpetual work in progress that never seems to get any better constantly investigator revolving door right caught. They changed the name changed. The they change the bodies but the results is still say. Still the somebody's that quarterback gets a loss. And it's a problem if you daniel jets said criticism but if you're running field life time than i think there's mitigating circumstances saquon barclays a big mess if you have him in the lineup at a fully fit seguin barclay than you make the opposing defenses. Think when he's not a in that back sales. Well it's just as back and go after. The quarterback nashville. He's really to say. What does it over saying on your own about z. I wish him well. Because i do to your point about the running back position and we all going to talk about trump. And his deal. I am a slow long standing supporter off making sure elite running backs continue to get paid and the fact that the availability and the the obvious emphasis on the passing game and the shift in dynamic that for sure but the strength in depth coming out of the college ranks consistently that means well. We'll just flip this go after a couple of years. And and the mccaffrey's and saquon and zeke the exceptions to that rule should be should be celebrated a wishing well because if they start to decline and the running back position just becomes. Kind of equilibrium of best above average was cut a mediocre. Play that just interchangeable. I think the game's going to be was for it. So i love to see saquon. Bounceback zeke bounce back for that matter. The fight we talked about the top of the show. Your love this friend of the show rafic. Yano course longstanding giants rights. Who are very good book on. Manning is worth seeking out if you have if you if you're interested in the future hall of famer giants fan grady. The this is a grown man. I will say about. I've got saw spot for them but they'd be mixing it up. Joe judges. We know is quite dogmatic demonstrative type. Maybe to the dan campbell end of the spectrum and not far off. So i think we know they're going to be quite a frisky bunch. Those was a brew a full just on that now. Are you surprised. By how out of the lions camp so far during training camp given that press conference at dan campbell day which was fairly vitriolic. Wasn't it but so. It's not simmering just beneath the surface. Everything seems be smooth. We'll see how long that lasts disappointing. So far yeah. I just wanted to i. One of the. He's being closed lead that just just that taking care of him. But they won't be able to control the weather up with routing journalist. Caesar those post game. The lines got jared goff. Who incidentally are the craziest out on. Jared goff of cut a tip my hand here a bit. But jamie's winston most interceptions starting quarterback since two thousand seventeen jared goff number two in that list and not far off james when you consider where he's been playing. That surprised me. How how that is a long road. Back to redemption for jared goff. So this brule fault. It's a full team. Brule favorite kind. so what. I like most about this for those listening. Who who had daniel jones apologised so evan ingram in the mix tight end. He got hit by djibril peppers. That's where it started that everybody piled in but party jones. This is back. Jato inserted himself into the mix after it broke it out so i respect that about that. Does a lot of quarterbacks would just be your slightly evolved a bit of this but not actually he got right in. There wasn't respecting for it. Put it that way quarterback your franchise. You wear red shirt in in trading. Stay out of trouble through. He'll sell in places where you do not need today. Yeah a fat fat. Let's talk about the cost and wentz injury. In which of course is broken. And the last twenty four hours or so thrown the colts season into a tailspin. Before i even started. And we're not quite sure how long it's going to be out for but therein lies the problem. It's going to be a good chunk of time. And i guess as well it's blown the afc south wide open right because the colts were if not the defacto favorite. Certainly they're going to be running the titans close for the division. The interesting development is broken today. Philip rivers coming out and saying if you mention beck says this completely ruled out. A comeback says philip rivers. How much would you love to see. Philip rivers come back in the day you know that pesident philip rivers as he never say snappy never close the door and any situation and that's what he's done here. He's preoccupied with coaching. I think he's a high school football to the first part of the year. But he's just put that elements out bad. That should indianapolis colts or anybody else. That master nita. A veteran quarterback with playoff experience come said the final three or four weeks ziesel. And i'm i'm sure that it can just down the pads. Get cleats out. Eggs make himself available. That way has not to deal with training camp. He hasn't had to deal with all the early season. Hit some bumps bruce. I set yourself straightened playoff contention love perfect scenarios. I love that. You're right if i if you think about quarterback the recent era in recent times that could pull that off he would definitely amount played on a torn. Acl for goodness sake. I think he can handle it. Well they got me thinking because he is as you say a high school coach. It's a little bit friday night lights here. I mean what if he gets his team to state on the eve of state yesterday. Leave to go and play for the colts in a push their playoff by the that could be the way that plays out so he wasn't. Philip rivers abandoned his team i garrett say a stay there for the state game saying his team to victory and then get on a private jets. Go play probably the same afternoon. Today resort rock the second quarter. Just just okay run straight. On the field the crack on quinn nelson is also injured. So things for bats was for the colts quinson nelson of course a key part offensive line. He's out for five to twelve weeks. Which is the same timeline. Roughly that giving to went as well which yeah okay. i guess. Severity of of a fracture. He's having surgery as well. So things look in challenging for what they gonna do nick foles everybody's frisked suggesting would make a lot of sense because the right connection causing wet so probably have some Complete meltdown they bring foles in jacoby preset. I've seen his name mentioned of course longstanding association with the the franchise blake bortles on the market as. Well good blake. So which way do you think they'll go well. I texted you yesterday. I said look. Have you seen this nick. Foles press conference shot of actually saying outright front right come trade me right now because i want to play the nick foles did everything but say that and is remarkable. Press conference really just said round quite honestly and said look. I'm a third string quarterback here in chicago. I've played with the same as who from his demeanor. He doesn't think a chance of making the roster any points outlook frederick. Somebody i've worked with before was successfully on a better quarterback. Now i've lived morning three or four years since then. It's the perfect match now with nothing from the indianapolis side But you would suggest that they are going to have to make a move in the next week of so to shore up that that quarterback position at least until that got on definitive grasp on how long is going to be out for because their uncanny parallels with what happens pates manny when he got injured if you remember back a decade together. The street from the colts that initially was pretty much the same. Well yes he is carrying a knock but we don't think serious and then of course he has surgery and ends up missing. It saw season right. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that carson wentz is going to miss the entire season. It's all a book they've rock said. We are hopeful that it's on the shoulder trying to that scale so five weeks if it's on the longer end of that scale now that's twelve weeks. You'll halfway through the season at that point with the tennessee. Titans putting together the rest of it. They've already got. The season could be done and dusted by by that point so a it's an interesting scenario. It's not one. I think that the indianapolis colts really visage. When they made the trump castle wentz and oh by the way you better believe the philadelphia eagles canaan trusted sites in this it gets. This could very easily be the difference between a first round draft pick. Next year's compensation wins and a second round draft pick. Yeah go to cool. That's a great point. I hadn't considered that tool On wall more at nick chubb which we've mentioned already had on the show. Say he does like zeke. The aforementioned zeke elliott got paid thirty six point six million dollars three year extension twenty billion in guaranteed money. Always keep it on that of course The money is going to get whatever twelve million of our as a signing bonus go to love those signing bonuses. I'm really this behind us. Now said shove it's taken care of and very happy where i am. I get to come out here and focus on getting better every day. I mentioned that because it might sound remarkable as an athlete saying that they will kind of. Say that. But chubb by all accounts graves. He's one of those very understated characters and he's get goes about his business. No not huge about show a just and given the style of runner the ears as well. This brilliant namic powered strength bust emerging as one of my favorite place in the nfl. I think yeah. And i'm gonna give you stat as well which i pulled out a few days ago which i find remarkable running-backs last season Two russian a fourth quarter criteria for this was minimum of thirty russia's in a full Russia's over the ghost and season in the fourth quarter nick By a distance let running backs averaging ten point three yards a carry in the fourth quarter and. Nfl game are you kidding. Me obviously remarkable with with the big guys up front. Get the oxygen by that stage of the game graves you running potatoes than average. Let let me give you a comparison. Derrick henry average six point six two yards a carry in the fourth quarter last season. And that's a great comparison because everybody's just gets better and better as the game goes on. Yeah yeah it ju. just remarkable. Search spoke about zeke elliott earlier member. What he did so years ago. I'm not sending out the training camp i got. Cvs joined on my rookie deal. But i am not showing up until i get a great physique. Elliott great fridge is agent. You get a nine hundred billion dollar package a running back all whatever it was it at the time. This has much more tom. Brady's about it that he does zeke. Elliott's of this will because thirty six point six million dollar three year deal. Same friend blake the get out of after two years if you like jumps company twenty five years old well Two years from now. You'll be twenty-seven going on twenty eight we all know this stats running backs in the nfl. Tentative fall off a cliff somewhat from the exit twenty seven onwards. There aren't too many goals age impeach since around these days but what they still does mean. It means that the cleveland browns can continue on that sending that finished last season on myles garrett signed his new deal and during the close season that changing cleveland and eventuality is remarkable. It's not that many years ago that don't say whitman. Co where signing big-money deals back ridge and that didn't work out the cleveland browns clave. Let's on wasn't a destination. Many people wants to save is what he went to play out your career. That's changed now. People see we'll stay on in cleveland that she's strategy office his new deal as well. This is very much a talented roster at a place that people do want by football now they they see a wealth of riches that they've got to play along side and it's an attractive proposition and beck to the management of their in cleveland. Because it's like turning around the talk. Sonic after so many years of doom and gloom and now heading in the right direction and it's exciting song. Yeah really. it's really really well said and one of the final thing on On the chubb deal. Nick was pointing this out on. Nfl dot com of cosa prolific writer for the mothership. The he wasn't even the bleed running back georgia and in fact in the draft. That chubb went forgotten. This sony michelle who was also with him at george. What ahead of him in the draft okay. He's been relatively successful. I guess but i don't did. Same level of productivity. That chubb is days delivery. We can look at it in any way shape form so funny how it all works out on your right at the cleveland browns. Tonny around and baker mayfield's maybe the biggest winner of hit because of that backfield at makes baker easier. That as the big thing isn't it because he's still got kareem hunt side up for two years the jumps gotta be that at least two more years possibly more that want to punch and we're not even talking about the job is slammed. Raise the odell beckham. Junior's of this world to go along with the roches offensive line that will rhode raiders collectively last season s. Don't expect that change anytime soon. I'm big on beckham. As comeback player of the ib saying it so often grazie that. I'm sure at the end of the season. What he's had four hundred yards and three touchdowns in another abject failure season the The amount of times. I've said it just roll. Maybe a whole episode. Just on pushing that line. But i should know by now nat- after your experiences industry give yourself against yes. I think that great to see you but thanks for dropping by and catching up with us. We are getting very close touching distance of the season. So we'll be seeing you very soon guarantee that. Look after joy. The summer months we'll see when seizes up and running looking forward to thanksgiving is now bringing stuff from grazie. He'll be back very soon. You can count on that and we will be because as i said at the top of the show some big names drop in your way including field. Yates how about that. Espn insider what about faves sunday. That episodes dropping say figuring where you few weeks away from nfl sunday. So we'll get some episodes dropping on sundays. Keep refreshing keep you focused. And if that wasn't enough. I and mike carlson back in the house. West carlson bean. Well you will find out like speed. He will undoubtedly have a lot of hot takes on many different subjects. Not sure it would be to get into what episode we might. That might end up being a double header with call drop in next week's field. Yates sunday carlson. Next week we got ours college days coming up as well. That's going to be a fun one where he's gonna start to pick out some of the big main quarterback another other big name players in the college game this you'd be first round as we think in the draw next year. Nfl stars coming up as well and last but certainly by no means least this august an edge rush nfl season special. Recall that now because we are early august here and only the producer up to i would say around his ears maybe even slightly higher in xerox paper old school data and graphs and charts just everywhere. I mean just picture the scene. He's got floor to ceiling charts and graphs everywhere. Just getting set for all the hot tips for edge rush the season preview special kind of weight his insight get stuck into that as well. So it's fair to say. The show is rolling through august jam packed to get you set for the season. Skiba with us. We'll see you soon. Bye baseball join us on the giant josh. Show with mine. 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The House on the Hill

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The House on the Hill

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You get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash de L. NBC. I'm Lester Holt Tonight. On dateline the mystery that's taken decades to saw two strange deaths on one broken family. I looked up. And it's like their smoke coming out Yelling for the kids and I hear Daddy's coming Daddy's common. She perished in the fire. This is my sister. Nobody should have to go through what our family has gone through. Not once but twice. Are you with your son right now? The breathing no. Qc YOUNG KID. Now gone distant. Makes see thoughts kept coming up. Oh my God I think he did it bad luck that they died. Would you call? You're saying that you are completely one hundred percent innocent. Yes you have to know the rest of the story. Here's Andrea Canning with the House on the hill. If these hills could talk imagine the stories they tell about the people who came here to California's gold rush country dreaming of a big break a last chance or a way out. The woman at the heart of this story had dreams of her own. This is how they ended her life was really about giving to others and she didn't care what she sacrificed to do that. That's the person that Phil Never Forget. What a wonderful sweet person Cresswell's. Our story begins with a catastrophic fire in the old mining town of Murphys California. It was New Year's Day. Nineteen Ninety one. It seemed like every firefighter within radio range heard the call. A woman was trapped in a burning house. That must be a scary feeling when you hear trapped fire is terrible thing. Rich Wind was a local business owner and volunteer firefighter. One of many who raced up this treacherous winding road to reach the fire. My heart was founded my chest. I was hyperventilating. Had A dread. Could you see the smoke? Yeah as you're getting closer getting closer. We could see the smoke. And we're feeling really anxious. I jumped in my dad's fire chief's vehicle and Went to the fire with him today. Brian Wilson's Murphy's fire chief back in nineteen ninety-one he was a seventeen year old fire-cadet who thought he was going to be part of a rescue. I WanNa save this person you know. It's that instinct that we need to get there. We need to get there soon as we can't they arrived to an awful scene. How bad was the fire? It was just consuming the house you know we felt the smoke and the heat you know even from here. This quiet clearing is where the house was burning and when we go back behind the flames are just too intense. You know we just couldn't get in. We couldn't get close so we essay incident commander of what he wanted to and he said surround and drown. That's fire speak for drench. The House with water after fifteen twenty minutes we got fire knocked down and then he chose two of US my partner and I went in the house. Yeah we were asked to find the body. It was scary and so as we went in. The smoke is still rising waters dripping everywhere. It's a disaster scene and then I heard an call out. I found her. We just stop and we just were so defeated dejected. Her name was Christina Carlson. She was a thirty year old wife and Mother. Fortunately may be. Miraculously her husband. Carl and three young children had escaped the deadly blaze. They were all being treated in an ambulance by paramedic Pam Geat. The children didn't say much other than daddy had got them out of the House. Then one of them said that all of their Christmas presents at burned up and that mommy went to heaven. Pam says talking to them wasn't easy they would answer things very briefly. There were not really connected that I felt that they probably were suffering some sort of a psychological shock. Christina's father are Alexander. Had No idea what happened. When he arrived at the scene got in the ambulance. I looked around. Worst Chris NATO me one of the kids said she's she's with God or the angels took her or something like that and it's art could only imagine the terror of Christina's last moments on earth. Now he had to break the news to the rest of his family beginning with her sister collapsed. I got a call from my dad in the afternoon. And he said he said I need to tell you something. So there was a fire out at Christie's house and he said everyone got out but Chris and I said are you kidding me. And he said No. Is it almost unbelievable when you hear that it is it is because I had just been out at the house? You know We had gone up to my sister's house I think. On December twenty second Kalat was numb. Everyone was including the firefighters. A newer you know she used to come in to peppermint stick the ice cream parlor. I owned in with three kids and some of the memories were doing that and here. We couldn't save her off when he was leaving the scene. That day. Young Brian Wilks remembers. He was shaken and sad about the young mother. They couldn't save but he was also grateful. The three kids were okay. I very clearly remember today. A Conversation with my dad when we were driving. I think we were driving home from the fire and he makes the company goes. Wow He goes that. That dad was a hero today but that day was just the beginning of an epic drama involving the Carlson. Family that we've been following for years and only now nearly three decades since Christina's death can the secrets be revealed about what happened inside the House that once stood here still to come tonight? Disaster strikes again. He kind of looked out the window and said. Oh my God barnes on fire then another painful loss. Heavy breathing no. He's not breathing own just the feeling of now. What do we do deadly accidents? Keep hitting this family. How could that be Almost thirty years after her death and fire Christina Carlson sister collapsed still talks about her capacity for joy. She just had this incredible laugh. That you know. She laughed very easily and when she started laughing she would. Just you know the whole room is. She was contagious with her laugh. Her husband Carl speaks of her with admiration. When you lose somebody. They're they're beautiful but she was just. There was the shoes proud. What do you mean by proud when she walked? She walked through their head with their chin up not that she was better than you but she was proud of who. She was what she was. And things. Like that Carl's brother. Mike adored her to. You'll never forget the day he heard the news. How hard was that for you? Knowing how she died it was terrible. I mean the concept of dying in a fire. It's got to be pretty awful to know it's family and someone you love and care for. That's it's hard. Carl met Christina. Ten years earlier in North Dakota breathes stationed in the air force. Christina's first marriage to another airman had just broken up. When do you get the first phone call from Christina saying that that she's in love again and it's with Carl? She told me she'd met a guy she was happy. I think the next phone call. She let me know that she was pregnant and he said well. What are you going to do so I said you can come stay with me. And she said No. She said we're going to get married but she happy. Oh Yeah Yeah. She was very happy. Car left the Air Force in one thousand nine hundred five and decided to move his little family here to his hometown in Seneca County New York by then they had two kids Erin and baby Levi drove in an old antique pickup truck. From North Dakota. Mike took to Christina right away. Choose small tiny little girls not very tall at all a very simple sweetheart of a kid. How did she handle it? All just suddenly being thrust into the Cross family I think at first she was a little confused. Trying to keep named straight was a challenge but she was the type of kid that her glass was always helpful. She a good fit crossing fancily. Yeah she would give it out as well as take it and laugh on the way they were acute couple. Christina the little cheerleader from the mountains of California Carl the rough-and-ready country boy they would laugh and joke and he was big barrel chest guy on my sister. You only four foot eleven. We just connected and she just was a very frightening. Never a bad word to say about anybody. Carl found work in the local stone quarry and soon they had another baby. Katie Christina loved. Being a mother. She'd be on the floor playing with more teaching more instructing. Moore coddling them and it wasn't just her kids. It was all of our kids to lovely people over there. Christina seemed happy but call wanted more than a life working the corey. He didn't see a big future for himself in upstate. New York right about them. Christina's father offered a ticket out a job with a future working in his heating and air conditioning company. And I told him if you ever need a job to come on to California and and you'll have you can work with me so they moved across the country and eventually settled into that ramshackle house at the top of the long winding road. It wasn't much but it was closer to collect and Christina set out to make it special. She was a creative do-it-yourselfer and a great seamstress she went into like home decorator mode and started painting and sewing curtains. And you know every time I'd go up it was like wow. This looks really good. Sounds like Christina was always trying to make the best out of any situation yes and she usually succeeded in issued finished. Redoing all the bedrooms when When the fire came through Christmas nineteen ninety was the last time. Kellett saw her sister alive just days later. This was all that was left of the home. Christina worked so hard on her grieving cousins videotape the smoldering wreckage in a matter of weeks. The house would be raised but this video would survive and raise many questions in the years to come. You Know My dad and myself. We were all saying something's not right. Something is not right here. I'm yelling for the kids. I hear Eddie's Common Davies Common that Tragic Day Carl tells his story and investigators tell there's there was a strong smell of kerosene when datelined continues in the grim aftermath of Christina's death. Carl Carlson's brother. Mike knew how badly he needed help to your mind immediately go to those three beautiful children immediately thinking well. I got a brother in trouble when three little kids depending on him how do we what do we do? The first thing Mike did was had to California Carlos walking around out in the front yard just a strange scenario so we hugged and I said I hope when I can't help tell me what to do. And he was just Nomi was more of Zombie. He just said. I don't know everyone was wondering how it all happened. Carl said that all he knew was that the fire started while he was working around the house. It was New Year's Day. The kids were taking naps. Pristina was bathing. I was outside in the garage looking for some stuff to fix a motor in the attic. And then I hear Karl then I hear Karl Hoeger Carlson. Get the kids so I come out of the garage. Their smoke coming out and I'm like what the and it's now. It's coming out underneath the front door. The video shot by Christina's cousins are the only images that remain. This gaping hole is where Levi's room was and where Carl says he raced. I dare here Levi calling no not a word so I break the window and it's like it feels like the sun hits you in the face hot blast air whatever blows me back off the porch you know but he says he managed to pull Levi through the window and just bolt of a sort of tumbled backwards onto the porch. Then he ran around the house to Erin and Katie's window. How do you rescue your two daughters? Well I ended up getting to the window have to jump up every time. Jump grab the screen trying to get my fingers into it. Pull THE SCREEN OFF. Do the same thing with the window. And I'm yelling for the kids and I hear Erin telling Katy I hear Erin telling Katie Daddy's coming daddy's common. He says six year old. Aaron help three ruled Katie. Climb up to address or under the window so both girls get a hold of me. We fall back tumble on the ground. Get back up. Run them to the truck but Christina was still in the bathroom. The fire was burning outside her door and aboard was covering the broken bathroom window. Her only way out. You hear her screaming. There's no screaming. There's any nothing he says. He tried to get Christina out of the house but couldn't get inside. He drove the kids to the neighbor's house and called for help. But of course it was too late. She died of smoke inhalation. How do I explain to my father law to my mother in law that I didn't save their little girl Monday two days after the fire? Mike says his brother was a mess. Did he seem lost absolu- I could remember he i. He was still in the same clothes he had on at the fire. These still smelled of smoke looked Arab. Terrible one at old white t shirt here a little singed. The family helped Carl pull himself together for the memorial service and then Carl took every went to a place. He often visited with Christina. The giant sequoias that calaveras big trees park. He just wanted to get away. Take a couple of hours and get away from reality. Probably was a good thing for all of us then. It was time to talk about the future. What are we doing? If we're going to stay in California? You need to reach for an apartment. That's when he said I just just WanNa go home. So four days after the fire Carl packed up his three children and flew back to upstate. New York it was yet another blow for Cristina's grieving family. My sister and I had made a commitment to each other that our kids. We're going to grow up knowing each other and then it was stripped in five days all Christina's father had left of his beloved daughter. Was this box of chart photos that he rescued from the house. He was hobbled by grief after her death. I wasn't probably more dead than alive. He didn't pay attention to a lot of things that I should have. But I didn't muddle through. I didn't care a few days after Carl left. State fire investigator Carl. Kent was asked to examine the scene. It's still looked very much like it did. When this video was shot the first thing he noticed was the smell. There was a strong smell of kerosene In that particular area and the whole hallway from the master bedroom to the living room was covered with cardboard there had been a kerosene spill in the house a day or two before the fire. Carl said the pets knocked over a jug of kerosene along the hallway near the bathroom door. The burn patterns indicated the fire also started there and so the the area of origin was right in the area of the utility room and the hallway bathroom area. She wouldn't have been able to escape out the doorway because there was so much fire at Right in that area had she gotten into the hallway she would have probably inhaled hot gases from the fire itself in Syria. Their lungs and she would have perished from that he wondered if this father had risked his life to save his children. Couldn't he have tried harder to save his wife? Think if I was in that position I would do everything. I couldn't get her out of there as far as the. Da was concerned. There wasn't enough evidence to prove it was anything other than an accident but can't felt differently. This was a fatal fire involving kerosene and a boarded up window. Kent urge to supervisors to let them interview. Carl Carlson in person and I asked if they would authorize or send me to New York to Interview Carl. Carlson and they said they didn't have the money to do that. So the fire investigator moved onto other cases but his gut told him there was a chance he would someday return to this one. At least he hoped so coming up told me that he had lost his wife and fire and he was a single dad. A new life and new white for Carl Carlson then suddenly a new tragedy to he sat upright and said you know. Oh my God call nine one one. The Finger Lakes region of upstate. New York was Carl Carlson's home and now he was back to stay here in Seneca County. He would rebuild his life among the farms the fields the vineyards. His old friends and family were looking out for him. But Carl still wondered how he'd manage coming back home is like what the Hell am. I GONNA do now. I'm not a mom I'm a dad. She was the homemaker she was the mother. She bathes the kids so I don't know nothing about doing braids and things like that. I don't know how to take care. I mean I know how to take care kids but I don't know how to take care of kids then all of a sudden I get the education. Oh I gotTa do school records. I got shot. Was there a lot of concern for Carl? Having just lost his wife well. I think everybody realized that this poor guy isn't going to do it on his own. He went back to work with the stone quarry for Awhile and then saw an opportunity. Local glass manufacturing plant. That had just opened. And it's like I don't WanNa go back to do on six days a week now to three kids so they let me work five days a week. Ten to twelve hour days other people helped out to start kind of place and it all seem to come together for him when he met Cindy best in nineteen. Ninety-two I was into line. Dancing at the time and That's where I I met him. We talked about different things you know. He had told me that He had lost his wife in a fire and he was a single dad raising three kids. Sinus own and His family was in two horses Belgian. Horses he told you that on the first night. Yes wow yeah. That first meeting led to dating and meeting his kids. What did you like most about him? I was very attracted to The fact that he had children I Had been told that I probably would never have children I always wanted to be a mom and I felt bad for him and the kids and you know I was drawn to that. Cindy got an instant family when she married. Carl in August of Nineteen ninety-three. They bought the old family farm and house from his parents. And then Cindy got pregnant. The best news of Your Life. You're going to have the baby. You'd always wanted happiest time in my life. They named Alex. Alex say hi to the camera whose birthday today as Alex up. He became close with his half siblings. Katie Aaron and especially Levi with whom he had a brotherly bond. He was always there for me. We always love to hang out together so I mean. We had a lot of good times hunting fishing and just hanging out a lot on the farm riding horses. The family raised in Seoul Belgian draft. Horses it's funder at a Belgian. They're big that flatly big horses but it was fun. Coletta and her family would visit from California. She would tell the kids stories about their MOMS so they wouldn't forget. My niece asked me. She said one time she said. Well I wish you were my mom I said Oh honey. I'm nowhere near as Nice as what your mom was. I can't even come close to you. Think you've done a good job of keeping her memory alive with Well I think I have. You know the fact that I was on the phone with Levi. You know two to three times a week driving to work in the afternoon. I'd be on the phone with Aaron Katie whenever I could get around between her school schedule so I've been very involved even though I was involved from a distance collapse. Notice that life wasn't easy for the kids as they hit their teen years. Especially for Levi. He was struggling in school acting out with any kid. You have your issues. But he wasn't he wasn't bad and she thought Carl was tough on Levi he wasn't following Carl's path but how many of us follow down. Parents passed Mike Notice. The problems to Carlin Levi didn't seem to have the best relationship no no Levi buck the system a little bit. He was a typical teenage boy. Who Knew All the answers? The rift widened and when Levi was only seventeen. He left home. Mike watched it happen with a tinge of sadness. Dropped out of school which didn't help things at all. He jumped didn't didn't look where he was jumping to and so he didn't have a job. He floated from house to house to different family members. Then in November of two thousand to another disaster inflamed the family tensions. Cindy said it happened as choral got into bed. He Sat Upright and kind of looked out the window. And said you gotTa Call Nine. One one the barn sunfire coming up that could see the glow in the sky. Another deadly fire. We just stood there and watch go. Nothing could be done. What had happened inside that barn when dateline continues off in the fall of two thousand and two more than eleven years after Christina died in an inferno the Carlson family was struck again by fire middle of the night in Sydney call and just as soon as I answered the phone. She said the Barnes on fire took off as quick as they could. And as soon as I left my house I could see the glow in the sky and as I ran around the side of the barn couple of my brothers were there with Carl and fire. Trucks are just pulling into the road down the road and we just stood there and watched the go. Nothing that could be done. It was fully engulfed in going down. What a car will say to you when you arrived. He mentioned that the horses were still there. Three Belgian draft horses were killed. That's tough to hear. Horses dying in a fire is pretty tough to take. Oh definitely these were the prized family horses. Yes it's sad. It's traumatic knowing what you know. All they always horses were going through you know. They were lacked in that barn. They couldn't get out and DIG SEEM UPSET. Yes and no. I don't think he was overwhelmed with emotion just on one more problems to deal with. It seemed like within twenty four hours. The bulldozers were onsite great. I'll hauled the horse carcasses away and buried them right away in the barn was levelled within a few days. It was all cleaned up gone. Some family members were upset about the loss of the horses and the Old Family Barn. They couldn't ignore the fact that this was the second catastrophic fire involving Carl. Did Karl have an explanation? As to how this fire started he had thought that Because there was a radio on In he thought maybe a spark from the radio Head ignited the. Hey there was a lot of old. Hey in there. There wasn't investigation on short albeit very short. Yep and the fire chief in ruled it an accident now pretty much right away so that just there wasn't really a reason for you to be suspicious. Given that even the fire officials were saying cracked history and accident right but suspicions continued to bubble around Carl in that barn fire. Some family members weren't convinced it was an accident Levi was one of them had just gotten out of the hospital with a second back surgery and he come home and he made us. My Wife told me that Levi was there and made a statement that he thought I birth a barn down or something like that so he comes back to the house and it got up their argument. That night. Got So heated. Father and son came to blows Levi. gotten his truck to get away from. Carl in Carl chased after I was yelling at Carl. Just let him go. Leave them alone let them go and so they did fully on his own. Levi made a major life decision. He got married and soon had two little girls and for a while. Things seem to settle down and you know things seem pretty good for him but then you know they were so young when they got married in they just ended up going through hard times and decided to get divorced but coral says they looked out for Levi. The kid wasn't gonNA suffer. We had the babies almost every other weekend. So we're still in each other's lives. He'd come out to the farm cut firewood and leave. I started to grow up. He got his. Ged got steady work and tried hard to be a good dad. Any old resentments about the past seemed to be fading away. I think he'd rounded the corner. A little bit could see some sort of path in direction for his life. Got Him into the company and he just flourished. I mean you can work. All the overtime he wanted. He had medical insurance. He's paying child support. The company was just thrilled with him. Everything clicked but November twentieth. Two Thousand Eight would change. Everything Levi came over that day to do work on an old. Chevy pickup of Carlsbad kept in the Barn Carlin. Cindy headed off to a relative's funeral. When they returned home four hours later Cindy thought it was. Odd that Levi's vehicle was still parked outside the barn so then and there you know I hit an uneasy feeling net. Something wasn't right. There Coral went into the barn to check on Levi while Cindy went into the house when suddenly he come banging on the window when the door and tell me to call nine one one. What's going on talk? Show my stepson? Coming up they were just bringing Levi out on the stretcher astounding but true yet another loss for Carl and his family his actually like throwing himself up against the wall. He was on the ground out. This is real. Is He breathing breathing? Carl Carlson had found his son Levi Pin beneath the old pickup truck. He'd been working on in the barn crush his chest as cross. He's probably been here for hours. Carl's brother Mike heard the news and rushed over. They were just springing Levi out on the stretcher and putting him and when I got there Levi was taken to the hospital but the family knew it was hopeless. Seventeen years after his mother's terrible death Levi. Carlson died at the age of twenty. Three Cindy says Karl came unhinged. Who's actually like throwing himself up against the wall and he was on the ground again. There were so many questions. Mike wanted to know. Exactly what happened this? We went into the bar and to see the truck was checked in a very PA- curious. Dangerous Scenario No blocks Andrea Flimsy. Little Jack Holding it up. Rethinking Levi should've known better than that. He knows his way around absolutely cars and trucks. Here's a young kid my nephew same age as my kids and now gone and not knowing any details of what happened just trying to grapple with the idea of. Oh this is real. My brothers were all standing around with Carl. And just that numb feeling of now what do we do? His wife died in a house fire. His horses were killed in a bonfire and now his son had been killed in a freak accident so much tragedy surrounding this one man. Carl has called himself unlucky. Didn't did you see your husband does unlucky. I did I did. I felt like it was He had just one of those guys that had a lot of bad things happen but true to form. Carl pulled himself together. He had Radin magazine Article. Somebody from New York City was looking for farmers in upstate. New York Therese Duck Gourmet ducks for restaurants and It was something that he wanted to get into. I felt like it was A good thing for him Along the way somewhere somebody had told him that you know he was. He could make a lot of money doing it. Carl got fired up by this new business and began raising thousands of ducks to sell the New York City restaurants. He instant even found themselves starring in an episode of pitching in a Food Network Canada series. Carl liked being on TV. He did he liked. Being in the spotlight he'd liked being recognized. He did and in in your small neck of the woods. That was a big deal. It was a big deal. Yeah I think he had these visions that he was going to be this famous person. Rich and famous Sindhi washed her husband's ego swell with all the attention at the same time. She became deeply unhappy and found herself drinking too much. So what changed? Why did you start to think? Things didn't necessarily make perfect sense anymore. I'm not sure you know I can't pinpoint one exact thing. Just I just think it was an intuition a I would have these feelings or attacks you know. Every few months she had queasy feelings about the day Levi died and about how he died. Was Carl telling the truth about what happened in the barn and I was telling myself it's just you you know you're being paranoid you know and so I would forget about it for a while again. It turns out Mike was Uneasy about it to the events of that terrible day kept playing over and over again in his head. Wouldn't Carl. Cd You after? Levi's death not a lot I I went to the hospital and I was in the room with Lee in. Carl came in the room and I don't know what I wanted him to say but he says how do I explain this? That was that now what I was hoping to hear. Don't know really what I wanted to hear but I didn't see the grieving dad that I thought I should have seen that. Maybe I wanted to see Mike didn't share his misgivings about Carl was cindy but her own fears were growing worse. She even started feeling physically. Ill and you know I went to the doctors. And you know we thought you know treated me with pain medications and everything trying to make it better. But nothing helped and her smoldering awful suspicion was evolving into a terrifying conclusion. Oh my God I think he did it. Coming up. Cindy shares. Her fears with police. 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She walked in and door and she looked very frail physically emotionally just sickly week. Cindy proceeded to tell me what happened that day in two thousand eight and she mentioned something about that day that had always nagged at her. Carl said he wanted to check on Levi before they left. Carl was alone in the barn with Levi for a few minutes. Cindy wondered if he had pushed the truck onto his own son. How could that be? How could somebody do something like that? No one wants to believe they could marry a murderer right but then cindy told him another thing that made her wonder. If Carl had reason to kill Levi it turns out. Carl got a substantial insurance payout. Levi's life she later found out that Carl was the beneficiary of the policy. Not The girls say that really concerned her. The policy was for a hefty. Four hundred thousand dollars. What's more? There was an additional three hundred thousand dollar payment. Because Levi's death occurred by accident round wanted to talk to Karl without revealing that he was working for his wife. I said well what if I kinda go. Undercover and Befriend Carl if you will As a as a marketer a promoter for Your Business Cindy thought it might work. She arranged the meeting. I came to the farm and sat down at the kitchen table introduce myself and and essentially I just said you know your duct business in coral started telling his vision his dream for the duck business if you will and he bought it. Hook line and sinker he did. He did no clue. This was a private investigator cracked right. Steve Brown began spending time with car. One day Carl showed him his new electric knife for killing ducks. He said. I like the old fashioned way and it came up behind me and my neck up and went like this with his hand he said messy very physical the look in his eye when he tilted my my head back you know. I kind of stepped away and looked at him. And said we're talking about docks here and chickens aren't we and the sense just coldness and emptiness. Steve went back and forth about whether he had enough to show police. But in February of two thousand twelve the choice was taken of his hands. One of the People Cindy had confided in called detective John. Clear of the Seneca County Sheriff's Office and he called. Cindy how did that go? The first thing she said was thank God you called. What were the most useful thing she told you? The most useful piece of information was about a seven hundred thousand dollar plus insurance policy that was paid out and Levi. Carlson detective clear. Learned that Karl actually helped Levi sign up for the policy. Seventeen days later. Fatal accident happened. Carl says he told Levi that if something happened he would hang onto the money for Levi's daughters detective clear learned. The girls never got a dime after the death. Carl and Cindy went on to really spend a lot of money. Oh Yes yes the insurance money. What were they spending. The money on there was money spent on a lot a multitude of things Home Improvement Vehicles Investment. A lot of investments were taken out. Cairo spent a lot of money on the duck business. There are some huge payouts on that as he dug deeper detective clear realized Carl. Carlson had collected on a number of insurance policies over the years in one thousand nine hundred. Six Carl's new. Dodge charger caught fire. He collected ten thousand dollars. The fire that killed the horses and took down the barn paid out nearly one hundred fifteen thousand dollars a lot of insurance payouts for one man. Yes most people. Don't have that many tragedies in her life and there was more. There was life insurance on both of Levi's daughters. If Cindy died Carl would gain more money because they shared assets Cindy decided she had to get away from him. I was scared that he found out what was going on and I just decided I couldn't do it anymore so I ended up calling Alex. Her son was over at a friend's house. She came and got me and came out to the car and I saw that she had packed. All of our suitcases and our dogs were in the car and she had told me that. There's an investigation going on Because they thought my dad had killed my brother. They started living in hotels. Cindy dodged Carl's calls and so did Alex. She knew police were investigating but it seemed to be taking so long so cindy decided to do something. A little more proactive and very risky. I had actually watched an episode of Dateline where this woman was recording her mother and I like his revelation and I said you know I want to start recording conversations with Carl. I thought if I could just get him to confess about the barn fire that would show his character. It was a bold move. Maybe a crazy one. But Cindy was ready to take the rest coming up. This is a potentially dangerous situation. You're walking into Cam. Cindy wring a confession out of Karl can the police. Don't kill your son. You don't kill for money. Visit about money Cindy. Carlson had a plan. She decided to secretly record a conversation with her estranged husband. Carl wearing a small voice recorder tucked under her Bra. She was hoping she could get him to confess. Burning down the family barn and killing all their horses and I just started telling him that I was considering getting back together with him. But I couldn't even consider it unless he started telling me the truth of Saints said he did Dern our marriage that he lied about and he Said to me as sounds like you want me to say that I hit something to do with Levi's death while at that moment I knew that we skipped right over the barn fire. I might be able to get him to confess about Levi. She asked him what happened inside the barn. The Day Levi died now I just kept talking to them and I'm at one point. He got To where he said that the truck was checked up. I know I asked him. So did you push the truck or was it hard to push? And he said No. It wasn't was that a confession. Cindy felt like it was. She took the recording to the police. But it was inaudible. Still detective. Clear was intrigued and asked her to do it again. I request. She agreed to be wired up to do a second interview under controlled circumstances. So Cindy put on the wire and went to meet Carl. This is a potentially dangerous situation. You're walking into are. Are you scared? I was actually Cam because I knew that Karl believed my story of wanting to get back together. Abigail restaurant near Seneca falls would be the meeting place it was mid November two thousand twelve. You had undercover officers in the restaurant. Four were they. Diners were they. Waiters diners. The detectives needed Cindy to get Karl to repeat. What she said was his confession to leave is murder but when she started grilling him again. Carl became suspicious Artemis Walkman. You can imagine what I had to convince them. That wasn't a trap. I offered for him to check my purse. It works and she got him back on the subject that day in two thousand eight. I asked you travel in person I said but I I took piano and that is exactly what you told me that. Set it up that way but when you were in you opportunity after this exchange crystallized John Clear suspicions about Carl Carlson. I felt I understood him to a degree. This is someone who doesn't think like we do. They still had no confession but detectives believe they had enough to bring him in for questioning. It was the moment of truth if Carl. Carlson refused to speak or if he called aware the case could evaporate but Carson wanted to talk. I mean I work multiple jobs and stuff like that. I worked Lhasa. I mean we were talking about his favorite subject. Police quickly steered Carl. To leave is death. He repeated what he told police. In two thousand eight he found Levi debt after returning home from the funeral. And and you know then. We went to the hospital. I loved trump but then Carl let something slip a possible motive. You don't kill your son you don't visit. We'll we'll tell you about money. What are you talking about? The detectives knew they were on the right track. There's not a conscience of play to there's nine empathy to play. What are what are we play to? What does he have while he has an ego? And it's a big one so that's the strategy that we shift to. Which is I gave them a lot of sympathy and a lot of attention. We know that you were in the air force and we all have to do because I respect you for that. Are you proud of the time spent? I think you should be proud of that. And I know that when you read their like anybody does not train. You probably retraining to make life deficit right. I think you just made more when when it came to leave. I think there was a problem. And you did what we're trained. What PROGRAMS DO I don't I wasn't. I don't agree with as the conversation wore on New York. State Police Investigator Jeff. Arnold took a different approach and turned up the heat. Taking Carl back to that moment in the barn help you let record are you your unwatchable driving along and you say again. It's showtime propel. Grandma show my radically. I'm a liar show and you will remember it only got city. Hurry call one. Carl denied it all pushing. His buttons wasn't working so clear. Dialed it back again. You want to give you a chance to help you. I can't tell you what didn't happen. Sir. I let me. He listened. As Carl talked about injuries he had suffered botched surgeries. The pain meds. He needed yourself. Okay I don't mean to change the subject. Sir I really don't as the hours ticked by clear coaxed and prodded and Carl. Carlson story began to change version. Two came out where he admitted that he leave. I was already dead before they left to go to the funeral. I need a decision to walk out on my son and knocking them off the truck right now at that point. There's no doubt in my mind what happened here then. Carlson finally broke. He admitted he didn't just find Levi under the truck. He saw the truck fall and he may have even caused it to fall. They anti hidden by when I did it. It is the truth. Is You whether whatever your was I the action you took 'cause attractive on the inaction of leaving them there right okay? So turn your holiday. Police charged Carl. Carl said with second degree murder Mike. Carlson certainly had suspicions but he was heartsick when he actually got the news. That would never think anybody could do that too. So I couldn't see how anybody can do it. Perfect stranger or a wild animal and in fact Carl had second thoughts about that confession months later his arraignment. He pleaded not guilty. The state would have to prove their case against him in court coming up. Nobody should have to go through what our family has gone through. Not once but twice. Soon there'd be more than just one case against Carl Carlson waiting just about twenty four years now for some closure when dateline continues a year passed in Seneca County New York. Carl Carlson still in pain. He said hobbled into hearings as his attorney filed motions to suppress evidence testimony and that police interview most of them failed and then on November. Six two thousand thirteen one day before his trial was set to begin a surprise that no one saw coming Carl. Carlson pled guilty to murder in the second degree in Seneca County Court Take responsibility for the death of his son Levi. It's called depraved. Indifference murder in exchange for that plea Seneca County. Da Berry Porsche. Said Carlson would be given the minimum sentence. Fifteen years to life. The plea was a relief for Mike. Carlson who attended every hearing that year and came away convinced. His brother was guilty. The exit betrayal on multiple levels. Betraying your family your son you community. It was all about Carl a sociopath that needed to be the center of attention. Even as the family mourned Levi's death. They saw carl's conviction as an opportunity to reopen the investigation into the awful tragedy from decades earlier. The death of Christina Carlson. I'm on daughter. Errands spoke for the family. We've been waiting just about twenty four years now for some closure for things that transpired in California. You know things that I will never be able to forget things that my family. I'll never be able to overcome. Say One more thing. The Seneca County Sheriff echoed errands words. Throw Challenge Out California. You've been sitting back waiting to see what's happened here while now it's happened now. It's your turn. Colette had no doubt that a serious investigation into her sister's death was long overdue. I am glad that he pled guilty but I am not settled at all with where I am him. Pleading guilty only solidifies my beliefs that he killed my sister. How would you sum up your life since nineteen ninety-one and the roller coaster? You've been on. I would say that I feel like I have been living what most people watch on. Tv nobody should have to go through. Our family has gone through. Not once but twice just imagine would Christina went through and that lasts those final moments of her life screaming for help. It turns out that while he was working on Levi's case investigator Jeff. Arnold also focused on Christina's. Why did you take such an interest in? Christina's death when you're here in New York State. It became personally. Because she's she's just a great human being who had everything to look forward in life. Arnold reached out to investigators in California. Once they heard what he had to say about Levi. They decided to reopen the case into his mother's death. Arnold stayed on the case to think any of us is team investigators hand. You have ever seen a case like this before I know personally I have not arnold spoke to Karl Kent. One of the original California investigators who had retired by this time. I knew it was coming someday. I didn't know win. Remember back in. Nineteen ninety-one cans bosses told him not to pursue the case to the new investigators. He looked like a good source. So they contacted me to see if I had any recollection of the fire. And I told him yes I did. It was fire that I felt was very suspicious so suspicious that when he left the California Department of Forestry for the last time he did something unusual I head Taken two boxes of transcriptions and tapes. A put him in my basement in my house for the mere fact that. I thought someday somebody whether it's the kids or somebody else will come forward with some information and it might be able to open the case again. Good thing too because all the evidence had been tossed anything that was left at the In the evidence room was purged. Gone wasn't already more so California. Investigators examine the evidence in Kansas boxes. They talked to surviving witnesses and family members who had doubts about Carl Story and they reviewed Levi's case in light of all that the Calaveras County. Da Charged Karl Karlsson with first degree murder in August. Two thousand fourteen but collette knew there was still a long way to go. We need closure. We need to know that that this man will be put away for the rest of his life. Colette made sure prosecutors kept their foot on the gas. When Carlson's extradition from New York seemed to stall. She made phone calls wrote letters and use her facebook page. The process was horrible. You know we we were set back time and time and time again and it just seemed like every obstacle that could possibly get in front of us was placed in front of us in two thousand sixteen coral. Carlson was finally extradited to Calaveras County California. He sat there for four more years until his trial began last month. Jeff Arnold had pushed hard on this case so when the trial date was set. He made his way to California Carl. Carlson children held accountable in Nineteen ninety-one Levi's Sylvia live. But he wasn't held accountable. Then let's make sure. He's held accountable now. Three decades after his wife Christina died barricaded in a bathroom. Carl would face a jury of his peers but was it too late. Coming up. Christina took her last breath trapped in this coughing coral. Carlson on trial prosecutors. Come on strong. Their main strategy is to just paint this picture of Carl Carlson because in a way he's the only physical evidence that's even left of this fire. It was the strangest of family reunions. Twenty nine years after Christina Carlson's death her family including her mother. Arlene gathered in northern California. The trial of Carl Carlson for sister. Colette this was a long time coming. You know the day that the jury selection actually began was the day. We finally believed that this trial was going to happen. The jury saw the video shot by Christina's cousins and District Attorney Barbara. Yoke painted a heroin picture of Christina's last moments in that bathroom with fire raging outside the door and the only window boarded up. Michio Ladies and Gentlemen. Christine are coughing and trapped her in there she was alone naked political washrag clutching washrag your face trapped with only the panic and sheer terror of a mother who cannot reach children. According to the Prosecution Carl Carlson set the fire to kill his wife and then walked away with hardly a tear and seventeen years later. He killed again. The prosecution has leaned really heavily into Carlson's prior conviction. Levi's death Dakota moreland covered the Carlson case as a reporter for the Calaveras Enterprise. We spoke to her mid trial. I'm not sure if they could convict him as easily without that or at all. That's why the Prosecution Flu New York. Detective John Clear out to California to make the case that Carl Killed Christina for the same reason he killed Levi. It's not unusual when you're building what we call a pattern case to use subsequent acts and prior acts. But if you can show a clear pattern that is way well beyond the boundaries of chance or circumstance it can. It can help build a case. Clear testified about Carl's confession and he added an additional detail during his allocution in court. He actually admits to his son was still alive when he left to go to this funeral and that he knew that by leaving him there that would result in his death. The message was clear. Carlson was capable of anything following repeated objections from the defense. The prosecution played most of the New York interrogation up and it turned out that much of it was about the California case me fire. We are first leg concern home. The jury watched as Jeff. Arnold asked Carlson about the boarded up bathroom window or fire. Let's months before before. But collect who saw Christina just before Christmas testified that Carl must have nailed that Boorda only days before the fire it was not boarded up when I was there. Carlson also told Arnold he suffered awful injuries as he broke windows to rescue his children and that the fire was so intense. He couldn't save Christina. Happens window I got hit with a fireball American. The face blew me off the Front Porch Burma. I was together. Burn skin off my face. Burma Moustache Jurors watched as Arnold finally unloaded. Your work will gloom in. You hear her calling your name. We'll six hundred calling. It was screaming Steven. You're able to get blown off or older. Is Your Son's Uninjured Erla? Grabbing under the sun this explosion just very place without mark on him take him out of the House. Runaround rexy say the two daughters and let your in West Leisure way parishes would not have to rip that word out that five before that house again as I live by that time the fires all around what are we gonNA do. I don't Cau- any treatable injuries. Pam geat the paramedic told the jury. Carlson didn't look like someone who had been hit with a fireball. He may have had some small abrasions and very minor burns but nothing that required any immediate treatment. He seemed incredibly calm Given the circumstances I thought that was a little odd. A number of witnesses testified to the same thing that Carl seemed. Oddly UNINJURED AND UNCONCERNED. There were even gasps in the courtroom. When Collette told the jury a story from that terrible day it was something she told us. A few years ago I was standing in the back hall with Carl and I said I wanNA see my sister and he goes. You can't and I said well. Why not and he looked at me square in the eye and he said your sister's crispy critter which was shocking to me to say the least just with a straight face. The prosecution talked a lot about Carl's alleged callousness. His family members testified. They were troubled that he was up for sightseeing trip right. After his wife was killed went up to betrays her remember. They talked about being trees and a stop and after that offended said he wanted to. You want to go to New York. I think that their main strategy is to just paint this picture of Carl Carlson. Because in a way he's the only physical evidence that's even left of this fire. He you know this is very much a trial of personality and a lot of ways. The prosecution also put some of the original investigators on the stand including Ken. Bosque a forensic electrical engineer who specializes in fire causes and origin. I was called by a representative of Insurance Company and they wanted to look at the trouble light which was a what they thought was a key piece of evidence from the king's bus says he went to the scene five weeks after the fire and says he couldn't find a likely ignition source. The House wiring didn't start at the Washer. Didn't start at the dryer to start at. The water. Heater didn't started. The kerosene heater didn't start it and the trouble. I didn't start it because it wasn't on. Sugalski took a look at the kerosene stain. Pets may have knocked over a container of kerosene the day before the fire but he saw evidence of a second spill that looked deliberate. There was a very distinct poor of what also appeared to be seen in a Kennel. Horsh use shape going across the bathroom Door and then around to the other side toward the laundry you testified that it looked like someone had poured that kerosene and then lit it. The edges were very distinct. He told the Insurance Company about his findings and agents looked into it but the company ultimately decided to pay the life insurance claim. Two hundred thousand dollars. And that's where the alleged motive came in as district attorney Barbara. Yuck reminded the jury twelve thousand dollars just three weeks. After Carl took out that Policy Christina was dead. This was his plan. The said this was Carlson's deadly ammo. It's time to the defendant. That life is more important than money. It's time to tell him that his family members are not a means to an end. I ask that. You buy a bandit guilty as charged. But Carl Carlson's defense was ready to punch back and they would have a theme. Where's the evidence coming up? What's a grieving husband supposed to do? Upset crying I did record. The fight is on. They had twenty eight years to put a case together. And this is what they've come up with when dateline continues for more than a week. Prosecutors had painted Carl Carlson as cunning killer. Who deliberately started the fire that killed his wife but now it was the defenses. Turn TO FIGHT BACK. Carles Attorneys Lee Fleming and Richard ESCA veld argued the prosecution's case was old. They had twenty eight years to put a case together and this is what they've come up with if anything they said the case that road over time as evidence was thrown out and witnesses struggled with fading memories the same evidence that they rejected in one. Thousand nine hundred. Ninety one is what they presented you with today and it wasn't good enough then. It's not nearly good enough now. Then they attacked Ken. Bosque reminding jurors that he didn't work for any law enforcement agency but for an insurance company and they said he didn't even begin investigating until the evidence had literally grown cold. He didn't go to the scene until five weeks later. After the whole house was overhauled things were taken out. It was an unsecured area. When he got there was largely cleaned. Remember that video Christina's cousins took of the burned down home while they took a second one later on. Here's what the house looked on their original video and here's how it appeared later after being cleared out the time line is murky but the defense claims Husky. He got there after the site was overhauled. This is the bathroom where Christina died here it is just after the fire and here again later on the bath that she was founded has been cleaned out of debris. There are items left there like gloves and things that weren't there before when the defense argues that it's a contaminated crime scene. I think that's a pretty good argument to be honest. Not only that. But since most of the evidence Bosque used his investigation had been thrown out. They had no way of double checking his work the items that he tested along with all the photographs that he took we're giving back to his employer and they were destroyed. What I understand so there was a lot of what you didn't have in this case. That could help you. Yeah we didn't have any of the evidence that Mr Busk had to render his opinion they reminded jurors that despite Bosque's findings the Insurance Company paid Carl. This Christine report paired told them everything they needed to know. Why should also start that fire and they said no we reject your report and we're paying the claim with no hard evidence connecting Carl to the fire. The defense argued. The case was completely circumstantial like the life insurance policy. Carl took out on Christina. Carl told me the same thing. His attorney said in court accidents do happen even when insurance is involved. Do you think the timing looks suspicious that you've got this insurance policy just a few weeks before she died we can say look suspicious but it was stated in court that. This isn't an uncommon thing to happen. What's not uncommon to get an insurance policy and then someone dies a few weeks later or a car accident. Yes coral says he did. Try to rescue Christina. After he got the kids out tried saving her by getting the board off the window. Maybe she could get to the window and jump out which it's only seven feet or whatever to hit the ground the fire and the smoke. Push me back because I don't have equipment to fight that asked for the allegations that Carl seemed cold unemotional after Christina died. He says he was upset and showed. What's a grieving husband supposed to do? Upset crying I did record. It's stated in. Their crawl was covered in snow. Karl was crying at all. That curl said the people who some crying have since died so jurors never heard their testimony. Coral didn't testify either so jurors heard from him by watching nearly nine hours of that police interrogation where Carl talked about his son. Levi's death in my hand. How do you think that damaged your defense specifically by being allowed to see this extra stuff? I think it was highly traditional. I think the issue was that you heard coral. Who is a talker? He does like to talk. But you heard him talking about so many different things that were not relevant to this case and yet depending on how you took what he was saying they could hold it against them. Okay was your biggest concern that the jury will see what what he was accused of doing back in New York. And so hey. Why wouldn't he do this to -solutely that was the DA's plan the entire time that was there? The route they took was to try and show that because this occurred in New York it means that he did with the accused him of doing back in one thousand nine hundred one. The defense told jurors they couldn't draw any conclusions. Based on Carl's guilty plea and Levi's death does call. Carlson deserve a fair trial now. Some people say well. He admitted to killing his son in New York. He doesn't deserve a fair trial and to that. I'd say if you believe that today based just on that fact you have an obligation to let the court know. You can't be fair now. It was up to the jurors coming up a verdict from the jury and tough questions for Carl. Carlson Tattoo deaths with two life insurance payouts. Bad luck the died. Would win sentence that you. Would you call it? I want to hear what you have to call it my interview with Carl. Carlson took place near the end of his trial at the Calaveras County. Jail where he'd been held for almost four years. He had declined to take the stand but it turned out he wanted to talk to us about everything including the death of his son Levi and what he said surprised us that the whole tearful confession about leaving his son to die. Underneath a truck was a lie. I walked away Lenexa. Four years in a complete turnaround. Karl now. Says he didn't kill Levi after all despite his confession to investigators and is guilty plea in court. Annoyed didn't approve. Did you walk away from your son getting crushed by the truck? No Levi was alive when I left. So you're a complete. You're saying that you I sent this. Yes Carl says when he left the farm that day Levi was fine busy working on the truck in the barn but when he returned so you walk into the barn. You're saying you realize that your son. He's crushed underneath the truck and I reached out to grab him by the ankle. 'cause I could you know to touch his actual skin and I knew he was dead. The reason he told police he did it. He says was because he was exhausted and in desperate need of pain medication he was using after surgery. During the nine and a half hour interrogation asked thirty five times. Please let me have my medicine medicine other early smarter. We really get my message and they said Oh. Don't you don't need them because they'll make you dizzy fuzzy. They're they're the trained expert. They you're hearing. You're saying you admitted to leaving your son to die because you were off your medication yes. In because you're getting pulverized for nine and a half hours until you're in those shoes lady you have no idea. But during the interrogation detectives repeatedly offered to get Karl lawyer more. Let him leave altogether. You know you're you're I don't watch them out. I'm not going to last said. Look if you wanna where we can stop if instead he stayed and kept talking. I think any dad who's watching. We'll say no way and admitting to that when it involves my own okay son. Here's a catch until you're on that hot seat that you're looking at life in prison. How many cases have you done? Where please have been found to be untrue? A lot a lot because they put you in a position. Where if you don't take your going away forever. What do you say to anyone who's watching this? Who thinks this is just a bunch of Hollywood? Come they go spewing out. Don't believe what comes out of my mouth. Believe what I can prove you on government documents. This is the document. He's talking about the death certificate. It says Levi died at approximately three pm about three hours after Carl left the house. Carl says it's proof he's innocent. Detective John Clear has his own take on it. The bottom line is those time of deaths are an educated guess at best. There was no autopsy. There is no scientific testing done to determine the an actual time of death. He says it's just another ploy Carl's using to make himself seem like the innocent victim in a string of tragedies. Okay let your wife gets a life insurance policy. You're the beneficiary she dies in a fire. Your son gets a life insurance policy. Your name the the beneficiary he dies by getting crushed by a truck correct. So now you've had two deaths with two life insurance payouts Bad luck the died. Would you incidence that you would you call it? I I want to hear what you have to call it well. I think it's I've had many other things in my life. I've had horses Dive Barn. I mean I was going to bring that up daily. You've had barn fires horses. I mean that look seems to follow you around. Would you say that you're a victim of bad luck? If I told you everything you wouldn't believe what's happened to me. Like the fire that killed Christina. Carl claims he has no idea how it started. Did you pour that kerosene and light it? No why would you do that and leave a woman to access points to get out when it could easily pull off the board in the bathroom. She didn't have obviously access to get out. She's in the TUB. She's got a door and she has a board on the window but in fact she was trapped. According to John. Clear that was Karl's Mo you talk about Karl almost that. He has a a signature of sorts. What do you what do you mean by that His pattern is to is to create a hazardous situation almost like a trap and then step away and let the trap do its business. Carl does acknowledged that some things in this case. Just look bad for him. Like the way people said he behaved after the fire. Colette claims that you called Christina a crispy critter after that fire when I got out of the hospital. Horrible if if if is drew say that which. I don't remember if I did and I can't believe I would be the most. It'd be just horrifically insensitive but you think you might have or you know 'cause I don't believe I did. I would just hope that somebody would say I never said that. Most sort of sound like they're not sure. I've said that to other people but I'm loaded up with volume okay. So did did I say that one hundred did I not say that hundred percent? I can't say that Carl's family hasn't stood by him but there's something he wants them to know. What would you say to your surviving children? Aaron Katie and Alex. I'm sorry for this for dragging our lives in this and that I did not kill your brother. I did not kill Kadian errands. Mother and I didn't but jurors would have the last say about how Christina died. Deliberations lasted two days and then the verdict came. In we the jury find the defendant. Carl Holger Carlsen guilty of murder in the first degree inside the courtroom Christina's family clung to each other in relief sister. Colette was there to when they read it and it was a good moment. It was a good moment to. It's been a long time waiting for this verdict to come through Carl. Carlson showed little emotion as he was led out of court. His attorneys plan on filing an appeal. He's six years into a sentence of fifteen to life for killing Levi next month. He'll be sentenced for killing Christina. Today this is all that's left of the Little House on the hill. The remains of settled into this crater. How does it feel to be back here? After all those years it's very emotional for firefighter. Rich Win the guilty verdict to offer some measure of comfort. You know I feel such sadness. Such joy to because finally justice was served. He didn't get away with it. Twenty nine years after. A fire took Christina Carlson's life. Her family finally has answers but even time they say doesn't heal all wounds. I don't think you can put a time when when you would miss some of the most. You can be doing something around the home and all of a sudden. You have a memory of something that the two of you used to do together. The memories are are good. I still have her pitchers up around my home. And I'm I I'm not going to take those down and so she's right there my bedroom with me at all times. That's all for this edition of Dateline. 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Oh well Moore's occurring on that study Atlantic on this side today. I have to admit it's been it's been a crazy first week and an obviously a really good one if a bit sloppy and in some cases and the second week. I think is going to be even better because a lot of the matchups in the second week are going to be hard to pick one way or the other. I was very good picking the game straight up one of course that was quite trump interview at she. I was very good. They love me. I'm great. I'm great yeah you know and it's sad the way some of the haters out there. I love what I love of about having you on the show and Mike well aside from the obvious is when we do a call out for questions on social media. I might get your questions in. US still after all these years answering those questions before we could actually pose the tree up to garden but then again most of the most of the people most of the people listening will probably probably have missed those those answers of mine mode that no right yeah you absolutely on the button. Mike a ton to get into. I WANNA start with Antonio Brown the latest hist in in that saga on the field anyway. It's worth mentioning right off the bat that breaking news overnight. Brown is being accused of sexual assault. a lawsuit also being put forward a federal by its former trainer accusing him of sexual assault he denies those allegations vehemently and of course that story will develop over the coming weeks. I want to concentrate on Antonio Brown on the field phenomena of course since we since we spoke on the gift that that keeps on giving yeah extraordinary stuff over the last seven days or so with him ending up in in New England and it's it's quite probable really that post host the Super Bowl. We were talking in groups retirement that one of the weaknesses of the Patriots this season might well be they're receiving core with the addition of Brown on it seems that I got one of the strongest in the NFL well. The transformation in the receiving core was fantastic. Josh Gordon came back. They Jacoby Myers. They seem to have picked up a real winner. They're gonNA GONNA roll chefs. Gay looks like he'll fit in but brown was sort of the Cherry on the top of the cake and what's what's difficult note right now is that they traded Damaris Thomas to the jets just before the news broke about Brown and the lawsuit and my suspicion or or my best I guess is that he will wind up going on the Commissioner's exempt list now the question would be when that happens he was going to practice today. Wednesday for the first it's time with the Patriots and if he does that that kind of weak and sad group a little bit although as we saw last week or on the weekend it didn't really the matter a Damaris Thomas wasn't really wasn't playing and Jacoby Myers had had one catch on what which looked really good so that that's going to be an interesting they won and you look at the productivity of the receivers against the steelers. Philip Door set had his best game as a patriot. A couple of scores absolutely touching hundred jarreds handelman consistent is ev six catches for eighty three and as you mentioned Josh Gordon Remarkable Turnaround Story. He has had a month ago we want. Short Josh Gordon Who's going to ever play in the NFL again here. He is week one a touchdown three catches seventy-three odds as well look people making comparisons with with Randy Moss for for obvious reasons the Oakland Oakland Connection Brown must that is but I think in particular that the way that ended up for Moss in near England underline the fact that Belichick doesn't take can he nonsense and that's the key isn't for irrespective of the story that's broken overnight a which has an unpleasant situation outside of the eccentricity of Antonio Brown the ratings with hot air balloon only other razzmatazz unknown benefactor not gonna put up with any of that is he no and and that's why I think they think that the price they're paying which which is the signing bonus of nine million in and then the rest of it. another six is is basically contingent I think they think that's fine. They're total salary caps for receivers. is is actually less than that at for Sammy Watkins on the ramp so I mean they're not in bad shape from that from that point of view. I think there's a better comparison between Lane Kiffin and end Jon Gruden Mazda how they deal with with you know high high tempered Prima Donna receivers which is which is what Brown this and you know like I said I think the the case itself is not going to be resolved for while it's very interesting one as to why they filed at this specific time and it was filed in federal court because it's it took place the the allegations are took place in a couple of different places in different states and this one's gone a run for a while because it's going to be a public relations nightmare before the case is actually decided one way or the other. You mentioned nothing in some respects. He's being treated quite harsh. When you think about the situation he's got in Oakland. It's not a strong team despite their their opening night win of course is the sunny contender this season they were terrible losses going into this year and they sign a player of bounds caliber. He's GonNa. Huma bit doesn't sit ups. Brown was quite radical attendance. Let let anything else. He hasn't really built up any kind of report relationship with him that was demonstrated very clearly by the hard knocks cameras showing these slightly awkward exchanges and he you realize that all the time when you please join a facility will join a team and at the facility could you don't really know them very well. Take time to build up that relationship and sometimes you know that never really is is a fluent process and particularly when you've got the situation with brand gruden such dogmatic characters. I've got sympathy with gruden on it necessarily mishandle the situation did he well. I think it's more case of building a team a team feeling of setting an atmosphere the whole team that a new player walks into regardless of whether he's Prima Donna or not and and when you walk into some teams the the over the overwhelming whelming influence is for you to be a team player and obviously in Oakland or at least for Antonio Brown. That wasn't now whether that's totally Gruden's fault or whether there were distractions. I don't know whether Brown was playing to the hard knocks cameras. I don't know but but sir days definitely definitely planned but so was John Groups that was great near Tehran. No doubt that may be the I don't when I say I don't know I don't know if that's the root of the problem problem or what if Brown you know came in you know looking looking to sort of build his brand or whatever that idea on what he commissioned a whole set filmmakers to make a series of short films they released on online and nothing to do with these Brat Oh man I'm glad you mentioned brand because I wanted to get into the whole player power our situation in the NFL because I'm like many other sporting leagues around the world the NFL has been always top loaded in favor of the team and that is is borne out particularly by the structure of contracts where near the guaranteed money a is guaranteed guaranteed contracts are two in many respects specs. Um you see it all the time very misleading. When you see a play signing five years for one hundred million dollars you got to look at the fine print that because it's unlikely in most situations that plays GonNa get his paws on that one hundred million dollars so teams the mercenary they caught players and plays a pragmatic and they get this Mike but always seeing a shift to Z. Kelly holding ground and getting the deal that he wanted Antonio Brown facilitating his exit from the the the raise in the way that he did Melvin Gordon. It's not working out so well well. You could argue that left bow kind of go. He wanted in the end getting out the steelers getting paid by the jets. Are we seeing a shift generation. If someone who's covered the a game for so long that you think players are going to start engender more power going forward. I think so and I think it's because there's been a couple of changes that have impacted the players negatively. I have no problem actually with the way the NFL structures contracts because the guaranteed money is basically the guaranteed the signing bonus is the guarantee of the contract but players agents forget that as soon as the that money's in the bank and and the salaries than you know as you say they're they're. They tend to be back loaded. They tend to be small at the beginning and players then think that they're underpaid but things like the rookie rookie salary caps which limit this the salaries of players when you were running back and you know that the average career in the NFL is three and a half years years running backs are probably the most oft injured of position in the League. You really want to be able to cash in early. You know I I I have all the sympathy in the world with the League back in the sense that they were going crazy paying money for unproven quarterback in other first high first round draft picks. I think that that you want to pay people based on what they have produced not what their potential is and we see in other sports how that can cripple teams in in salary terms were these long-term deals are fully guaranteed all all the way through but at the same time. I think what they were doing. What they're doing is restricting the players quite a bit and partly because there's guys is have enough money to be able to ride out to ride out a hold out. If that's what if that's what they wanna do I think Jadeveon clowney cloudy for example was able to do that and got himself exactly the situation he wanted it was it was a benefit basically for almost everybody I'm not. I'm sure that they attack since got the best value for him but they cleared BEDECK he gets he gets a a chance to shine on a contending lending team although the Texans look like they'll be contending team as well where he's very well suited for their system. seattle gets the player for about half the costs that you would expect him to be an next year he he could quite possibly be gone but that they're willing to put up with that with that situation the question the bigger question. Shen and not the bigger but the smaller more direct question is why did both Brown and Bell want out of Pittsburgh so badly you know it's a contending ending team one where you think it's sort of player I kind of atmosphere and here's the two biggest stars both thinking that they're somehow being taken advantage of well. I wonder whether that's a fair point but I wonder whether one affected the other about civil galvanize the mindset of Brown to get out of that with bell he you never actually from the jets got the kind of money he was trying to get to be paid as both wide receiver and running back but with Brown it seems to be more of a culture sure thing an atmosphere thing where all of a sudden he just sort of gave up on on the team at at the wrong time and and that is the attitude that prevailed when he went to Oakland as well and I wonder if if the Patriots are going to be able to actually keep that attitude from trump resurfacing when NAM assuming he actually plays for yeah okay. We'll wait and see on that one. That's let's go back to his old team. Oakland then a terrific story just Jacobs who's he's had a difficult part of the NFL hasn't he might he's a guy that had a very tough upbringing was was living on the street for a little bit. was overlooked before landing leading in Alabama over to the college level initially before landing in in Alabama here is absolutely tearing Monday night football yeah and you know I I said when they drafted Josh Jacobs what what they were looking for was a sort of marshawn Lynch poor man's version rookie version of marshawn Lynch and that appears to be to some extent what they got he runs hard he can carry guys on but he's also pretty versatile like like Lynch was was underrated as a as a sort of pass catcher he he couldn't run all the routes necessarily but he had good hands and and Jacobs that's what they wanted and that's what they got and I think that was part of the key to their success against Denver. They protect Derek off the coast did you you beat me to the punch and I think that that was the other thing and Trent Brown at right tackle. You know that that's a good part of it. Because there's von Miller coming off the edge and not getting anywhere are and and we wondered I wondered at least how Brown would fit into that line moving back to the right side and Tom Cables coaching but they did a great job of giving car time to find find receivers he was he was very efficient and although Joe flacco 's numbers looked pretty good as passer rating was very high but they didn't seem to have a whole lot of imagination on offense offense and you know they weren't able to really challenge Oakland until in garbage time as it were Mike impressive because spot on in terms of analysis his but also showing suitable restraint for not dropping Joe Flacco when you when you mentioned his name the first time this season on the show yeah he so flacco I'm and after the game I just always get that thing with with with Joe Flacco that he so laid back that you know I'm I'm I'm I'm sure he's cooked fully committed on and my just wonder how much that gets communicated to to the rest of the the staff but I think Denver Scott Denver's got a tough challenge coming coming up now wish to with the bears coming in and it's basically Vic Fangio Bowl coordinator last year. Yes it is Vic Fangio a Monday night football doubleheader of courses we can the saints beating the Texans CNN's narrowly drew brees easing. He's wildly old smarts of course in terms of that CL- management to get the saints over the line. What were your key takeaways from this one might well. You know you can't let will lutts. Try A fifty eight yard field goal at the end of the game. It's always going to get you trouble. I thought one of the one of the strange things was Carlos. Hyde look strangely reinvigorated Nora for for Houston and I liked that and do and Duke Johnson I think I you know I loved his pickup. I think that Hopkins is unquestionably the best receiver in the NFL the best cooling that now the number one yup given given that everybody you know knows he's their their number one pick for every pass they throw Jim about the fact that he can make these catches while letters that are so quickly contested and Kenny stills obviously had the big touchdown catch which was that the key thing for me? Though was J. J. Watt. It didn't do anything they kept. Jj Watt off the off the the stat sheet completely no tackles no sacks no pressures and that was an achievement. Ryan Ramczyk Chick. I think we're primarily responsible for that and Alvin Kamara picked up you know basically where he left off last year so that that's good and my the funniest thing though was. I saw somebody mmediately after the game pointing out that what's his kick was quote quote the longest field goal in the last ten seconds of any season opening game since the nineteen seventy merger jets not necessarily like the first record you see when you walk into the hall for that yeah these fray then put above his mantelpiece cheap. The thing is this could be Deshaun Watson. He got sacked six six times right even with Laremy Tunsil there. They didn't do a great job of protecting him but lost season yeah. It was a lot of those sacks that he took on him. Wasn't they city the six. How many would you say I think that's a pretty good. That's a pretty good point. he does tend to hold the ball and look look for receivers and he also also tries to keep plays going so you'd think of Russell Wilson for example keep getting a lot of sacks because he does try to keep lays going and I and I think go. O'Brien wants him more to throw the ball away then then take the sack but what you got was enough big place to keep used in the game to put them in a position where thanks to the penalty on the extra point. They should have won it now. The Texans had the jags up next this Sunday. I WanNa stay on quarterbacks actually in fire a two or three based on their weak performance. Let's go to the jags I would nick foles desperately sad going out in the game with a broken clavicle so he's going to be out for a a prolonged period of time enter stage left Gardner Minhsiu he of extraordinary Mike Calls and eight zero facial half starches not many people he just got the idea that a lot of a lot of NFL finds a fair amount of media rather over scrubber scrabbling around a bit more about God dementia but he demonstrated composure it he didn't he might twenty to twenty five and completed a couple of touchdowns almost three hundred yards decent passer rating very difficult that to assess on the back of one game but so far so good. I think he's very relaxed. Is One of the things like Nick foles is he played at East Carolina Carolina right and because of his redshirt year he graduated so he had this graduate exemption where he could basically transfer anywhere and Alabama wanted him to transfer in and he would be the third string quarterback at Alabama and he was all fine with that 'cause he thought what he would do was have a good time and then become a coaching Assistant Sistan and go into coaching and all of a sudden he gets this phone. Call for Mike Leach it Washington. Stay Leach basically specializes in taking these one in done quarterbacks who flayed elsewhere and lead says you know do you. WanNa be third-string at Alabama or do you want to come here and lead the nation in passing and he threw like six hundred sixty passes for Washington state with a seventy percent completion record and and it was a huge touchdown at the twenty nine to three or something like that touchdown interception but because because he's a smaller guy without a a rocket arm he wasn't not many teams with that interested in in the draft and he went till till the six round what he's not a bad fit for the kind of stuff John D. flipper wants to do when you think of fools running a lot of those run pass options. It's not quite what the Washington State air raid raid offense is but but it Scott similarities in what you saw from him was he was making his first reads really quickly getting the ball out quickly and accurately and and that is a good step forward now. It's going to be more difficult as the season goes on teams realize he doesn't have the really strong arm and therefore the the the slower slower developing deep patterns aren't going to be something that they they need to worry about but they could do a lot worse considering some of the people that have been through that quarterback position or not not least last season than men Sean. I see they traded for Josh Dobbs from the steelers to be to be a backup in Dobbs is so what different kinds of quarterback but I think they'll look at him as a guy could put in if men Joel if been sean stalls or if he gets hurt and he would give them uh of kind of running running option and get that offense moving. I still want to see more from Leonard for net in that in that team. I think that's that's that's kind of the big. The big takeaway for me and a lack of discipline once again is well malls. Jack Getting objected to after days off the getting paid that was great that was WWF VW APPs. Don't hold me back. Miles Jack was saying it. I think you have a steel. Chen and been on the sidelines some point trying to wait out. It was a moment who who was it. no Eric Weddell for the rams had one of these things were guys knee went into his helmet. The helmet cut him on the forehead and of course the foreheads where you bleed in wrestling at I was waiting for one of the announcers just they've busted him. Open busted him open when but you know we were. I was talking about Keelan dos last week you remember you because because he refused he had not left the jazz to go back to Oakland so what had happened was the jags offered him. The full rookie minimum on the practice squad so he said fine. I'll stay here so then. Oakland came back and said we'll give you a three hundred thousand bonus plus. Pay You the full rookie minimum if you come back onto our roster and so he said Okay I can live with that so instead of getting like eight thousand a week on the packer squad. He's now getting almost eight hundred thousand not a bad deal made some good go key the plenty on actually for for newer listeners on listeners new to the sport that practice squad is is a reserve pool right so you're right. It's a reserve of Pool you are eligible to be taken by any team in the league but you don't have to go so if you're on the practice squad in Jacksonville and Oakland calls up and says hey I wanna put you on our roster. You say now rather stay. I'd rather stay in Jacksonville squad which is why teams pay guys more than the practice squad minimum to keep them around sensitize sensitized to twitter for the first time on today's show Gary Red drop. Hey Gary the NC show. If you WANNA follow us on social media incidentally facebook facebook instagram twitter same handle that might kiosks. What's the biggest injury impact two teams playoff chances? Nick foles tyree killer of course his her shoulder in Kansas City. What was actually yeah it was clavicle. Bowl wasn't it because both guys hills was a more serious injury because he dislocated the place where the clavicle joins the sternum. Turnham was creating problems with blood blood flow and and and in his above his lungs and stuff like that but I think the loss of falls is obviously obviously more crucial to a team they they went the chiefs went into the season assuming that they wouldn't have hill they thought he was going to be suspended by the League and so they drafted Nicole Hardman who's tyreek hill clone. You got a little bit of play in the game there but you know he didn't have much hilden that much of a factor before he wasn't much factor before he went out net game so. I think they'll be able to ride that out mentioned. It depends on Menchu obviously if he if he surprises is everybody then falls but in general you know your new quarterback coming in who had played very well in his you know the what the one series or two series that he got to play. That's got to be the bigger loss stay with the twitter one more. She will do a few more later on. If we can squeeze in from Darren you'll appreciate this and just check where rufus is right now before us. This dog barks whenever someone mentions the J. E. S. T. deem okay well. Let's see if we can be the exception to the rule today down asked. Why do I support the New York. Jets you have a great a great strand of masochism running through rains the shades of Grey Oh boy let's definitely move on. I don't WanNa be talked about costs about fifty shades of grey to happy Colli I'm and Lamar Jackson water water performance yeah and what's what's swaggering had as well afterwards of course now famously calling out not bad for a running back here's what he said to the meteoroid pasta the haters who have been questioning since he's been in the NFL and before for that matter his ability to throw the ball decent decent runner of course we know that's a key part of his game but when he's competed seventeen of twenty for five touchdowns and three hundred and twenty four yards Hollywood brown because helping him out there and then some but nevertheless it was an impressive will round performance from noma. Oh yeah well from the team and honestly I think thank the dolphins defense had a lot to do with that. They really did look lost in space and we were talking yesterday and it was and he was saying what is the strongest part of the Dolphins Dolphins pro team probably overrule but certainly defenses that secondary and and the secondary was just at the racist to know and they really. I think that Bryan Florez to WHO's basically that sort of defacto defensive coordinator from southern and he's got a very young staff you know Patrick Graham was coaching assistant last year now. He's sort of the number two defensive guy I think they went with the same kind of game plan. That would have worked with Baltimore last year but the Ravens Laban's came out knowing that Lamar Jackson was ready to be passing now. Andrew Jackson was taking his shots at all those pundits on the websites sites and whatever who said some of whom were like X. NFL general manager said this guy will never play quarterback in the league. I will draft a wide receiver or running back and as you said his passing was fantastic but but I know that. Rg three came in with six for six Joe had reached down on supported him. Bring him in to to be honest. The game was done by the time you're absolutely right the game was done by halftime and of course they were up thirty five three in the first half and they ran a fake punt for the yard and I immediately well he tweeted. Everybody Hates Bill Belichick. What about John Harbaugh. I mean he doesn't but everything was working for them. Hollywood Brown is Marquees player player as we say andrus headed one hundred yards receiving mark ingram at one hundred yards rushing market. You know still going strong. Hey Mike speaking of Hollywood Bradley Jay Bell on the show on Monday. We were discussing great. NFL NICKNAMES Hollywood Hollywood Jay Bill Hollywood shame. I won't quite yeah. Ucla La but you must have a few in your locker. Greek we cover mean Joe Greene of course he was in the mixing time favorite as well. I think discuss installs a great is a great one as well time favorite my all time favorites Hacksaw Jack Rental Myron head McRae iron head Haywood is a good one would like that as the best Alzheimer's nitrate late night because it sounds so ominous it goes with his name RC Allieu Owens receiver were is another good one and of course although it's one of those names that you know nobody ever said Hey Bambi Chimaera but but lance all worth's nicknamed Bambi suited him just just absolutely perfectly. EEO In that category of the names no one release Andre Reisen Andre bad moon rising is one of the classics of all time love. We Mike when you play in college or was that it's not apply to the irony. Mike played call nine. Never an onfield nickname which you probably they were referred to you yeah when my when my office coordinator referred to me it was generally and four letter words doesn't surprise me. Lamar Jackson we we were talking as well Monday and Ali our producer getting into over-reaction Monday and typically. Everybody loves wants to get semi hysterical and make sweeping statements that one of my favorites was off. The Patriots are going to go on beaten nineteen ninety two nine yeah. That's the that's the when the Patriots generally lose in the first four weeks of the season and we says you know Belichick's lost the team. The locker room hates him. Autoclave Brady's GONNA retire but another one another one is Lamar Jackson and We were the critics wrong about him. He's the real deal how much carried into that on the Ba- technically I suppose and given how poor the dolphins were and the challenge in all kinds of ways when he's up against a much sterner defense d think his his balance in terms of attributes is apparent now that he's just taking can time set acclimatized to the NFL his passing with Encarta. His passing was good and he he reminds me he allies me in a lot of ways of teddy bridgewater on the bridgewater was was a running quarterback but they have a similar kind of passing motion which you see a lot of nowadays a lot of these younger younger quarterbacks coming up with with a tight arm quick release kind of motion which I think homes from running in option kind of offenses assists rather than the drop back motion where you were. You see guys wind up. You get that perfect form over the top of your head yet. This is this is a kind of you know from behind the ear and then throwing it out. Jeff George had that right back in the day and he threw pretty accurately. I think what will happen is when someone game plans to stop that passing game. We'll see if they go back to the run game the way they did. He only ran three times the whole gay. I didn't need to obviously but you you know it could be that if you stack up to stop those receivers then you're going to have ingram and gus and and Jackson if they need it running through you it's. It's a really interesting kind of situation. They've got that big offensive line plowing the way ahead head of them and they've got a pretty good defense with a great secondary although Jimmy Smith as usual is out now with a with a sprained knee so I'd make the Ravens before the season starts. I liked him a little bit more after that game knocking to take part in national jump to conclusions. Nice I'm beating the ravens a nineteen speaking of quarterbacks only running three times and we may be expected to see it happened a little bit more. Kinda Marion is in his NFL debut competitive debut anyway interesting performance room so I the only ran the ball three times passed over fifty times horrendous I off for them but an extraordinary fourth quarter for for Kyla Murray so he really turned turned around which I think is what has given Arizona fans the most confidence out of a aspect of his performance that he showed a lot of Moxie and a lot of steel and didn't completely the implode but food is way back into the game yeah. I think there's a good piece to be written about former bill belichick defensive coordinators when they become. I'm head coaches I think Detroit kind of went into a softer defense in Arizona took took advantage of it and as they say it's a game of two halves although in Murray's case it was a game with three quarters of ordering the last he was he threw for seventy yards in the first three quarters and then and then for two hundred thirty eight in the in the fourth and I think you see why Cliff Kingsbury was so in love with him and why his offense will eventually I think the work in the NFL because it was it was creating those openings that Murray was able to throw to a whole lot of contested passes what was encouraging to me was David Johnson had a had a good game in then when their offense was was having trouble you know he ran the ball very well and then and he became a receiving intres- as the gate as the game went on went into overtime and the other part of it of course was that Terrell suggs had a tremendous game gone Straw Adams for loss with the Kings Offense Mike and you know I talked about the accentuation of of the of the PAS against Detroit. was that partly a statement from King speedy thing. Was it a tactical decision up against that. Detroit defense offense. We're GONNA see more of a balanced and we're gonNA see CONNEMARA being given free rein to run a little bit more. What's your instinct on that. I I'm not sure if Marie running is the key thing and and you know there's there's different say between chip. Kelly the kind of option offense chip Kelly Iran in the NFL an Oregon which was which was largely dependent on the quarterback being able to run and the air raids style that Mike Leach coached cliff Kingsbury played quarterback under Mike Leach which is much more a spread the field out and try to get mismatches man on man mismatches you can take advantage of David Johnson. I think becomes the big mismatch in that in that offense and the problem is simply. If if you're defensive backs can man up and cover guys just like fits and bird and and Kirk and Keach jaunt Banou keyshawn Johnson it creates it then creates problems is for you but the way that NFL teams would attack it at first. Is You have to lose protection in order to spread the field and get those receivers. There's out there so they attacked by attacking the quarterback and Murray's got the mobility to be able to extend plays like that. Go beyond that that quick I I read and find a receiver and that's where if it's going to work in the NFL. That's what the secret is going to be. I don't think you could run that. Offense say with JOE FLACCO at quarterback. You need a quarterback who's mobility will extend place all right and so we are going to back into the mailbox. We'll ask you questions from our listeners and then you're gonNA give us your top three free agency pick up some time Okeydoke. It might be more like top five but there you go you will let you squeeze squeeze a couple more in Mike all Right. How about this from John Assist. How many do the pats beat the dolphins on Sunday and that is of course given in how impressive nearing looked and how woeful Miami looked everybody expecting a ridiculous score but we all know happens when these teams by even these incarnations nations these teams at the moment. It's not always plain sailing for New England might be closer than everybody is suspecting Mike it could be although the the first instinct distinct was to say if the point spread goes down to two figures you might then take the dolphins law about the dolphins but there's also the Bryant Flora's connection to exactly that's that's that was the first of the two things I I was going to suggest is flora's may well know how to defend New England better all especially the way they live. They block in the lie that way that they're blocking schemes work. Although this is a different New England offense than last year rights yet wide receiver oriented not tight end oriented oriented on the second thing is whether Miami offered bothers New England right especially if it's like last week when it's temperatures in the nineties with high humidity and your team your team can can run out of gas. You don't put the game away early but where he was the weather in Miami Mike. You are you a fan. I'm not a huge fan of really hot weather but but you know when you go down to Miami in January or February and it's beautiful weather and you can go swimming and that kind of stuff we could it be with the Super Bowl right so you're going to the Hawaiian shirts and be sitting sipping a Pinochle by the pool. I've got mired in ready. Now you know because I'm not certainly not going to wear them in the next few months here from Senate Tash for that suitable. I I saw somewhere a stat about betting this game when the patriots are favorite spy over seventeen or eighteen points he was the the underdogs cover however I think it was like seven times out of eight against the dolphins specifically ords nanny game and just any and he just he and I don't think I think he's bill doesn't have bad John Harbaugh instinct of running up the score necessarily although Brady doesn't lie to come off the field not right but you can you can you can take that what you will with. Ci Yeah I was stood him as well. He wouldn't wanNA. He went to relinquish any reps. I'm sure tool what is going on in terms of the scoreline his firm Gaza Gaza says as neutral what possible good reason to the giants have for not giving the ball to Saquon way more than they did versus the cobblestones started in exhilarating fashion saquon. It would seem to tail off and he just wasn't given enough action what was going on that 'cause. They're chasing the game. was that the fool the opposition they think we're going to go with our best. I weapons have been go ahead. Go with someone else. you know if they had a better set of receivers I might I might say that makes a lot of sense but they're wide. Receivers are not particularly threatening Ebony Ingram is it you know is a good pass catching tight end but Barkley looked like he was you running in great form and I I'm surprised not that they didn't give him more carries with they didn't get him more involved in the passing game he's gone from. Ayman appreciate the the question aiming at the NC show if you WANNA fall asleep and vitamin throughout the course of the week and Alex and Tom and the guys on social media will be picking him up and we'll try squeeze him into to one one of the shows what is the NFL stance on tapping players up while still on the contrary different of course to to European football sense that it's not near as legislated. Is it yeah I mean. You're not supposed to there's not supposed to be any interference with the player while he's under contract which is why people were guessing that the Patriots might have contacted Antonio Brown before he was actually released by by Oakland and suggested he might WanNa come here the the reality is that generally know these things anyway his agent drew. Rosenhaus would have known that the Patriots were interested in Brown because they offered Pittsburgh a first round draft pick the year before before him you know when when he became available but print but Pittsburgh took a lesser offer because they did want him going to the Patriots knowing knowing the Patriots were annually their competition for a playoff spot you know or or a super bowl spot even so adult anyone needed to tell drew Rosenhaus at the Patriots would be interested in having a piffle now. Wait a minute yeah. I think yeah there are ways around ways around the rules. I think is what was saying. That seems to go going regularly just as it doesn't in European quite frankly all right. Thanks for all of those questions. I we're GONNA wrap up. Today's show with what we agreed top. Five free agency picks top five free the agents. It's it's an interesting list because and the guy at the top is the guy who it kind of pivots around because when the new free agency rules came came in when when players got free agency then it became a different kind of situation previously when when free agency was a kind of thing where you'd been ignored by other teams so oh my number by number five guys. Dion Sanders right right 'cause Dion went from Atlanta San Francisco and they wanna Super Bowl and then he went to Dallas and they want a super bowl. that's kind of hard to argue at number three is night train what about number four number four sorry scary. Zimmerman who came out of the USFL and and then went and played in two teams finally Denver and yet was was a for two decades he was he's on the all decade team in the NFL for two two decades plus he was all USFL a great free agency. Pick up There's a lot of guys obviously unless I like guys who no other teams didn't want and then came along guys like say Mike variable or John Randall but they didn't make the cut number three's night train rain lane. He was working in a factory in Los Angeles had his last Football Gig was with the Fort Ord team in the US army and he just went to the rams office with his scrapbook and said look. I can play football. Give me a chance and they worked out like one day and said Oh maybe about simpler times trying gets a double double dip on the show today yeah he does and number two is Johnny Nitis who was playing for the Bloomfield Rams in a semi pro league around Pittsburgh where they the fields were so bad they had to put oil on the field so the dust clouds didn't make the players invisible then he went to he had been cut by Pittsburgh he went a to Baltimore and obviously had huge career with them a number one is the guy who was really the first big signing when the new free agency came in when players were allowed to become free agents and put themselves on the market and that was Reggie White and Reggie white obviously came out of the US Sevilla's well with Philadelphia went to Philadelphia in the NFL and it was like Lebron James People forget that he he basically made a whole drama out of where he was going to sign and Green Bay was sort of like the least likely replaced shall we say quote Unquote Non Urban Situation the packers had misguided reputation and he went to Green Bay and obviously the result was instantaneous. he was dominant there. They won the Super Bowl there and you know I think that was probably the the biggest effect free agent of all time because it also also opened the door to other players who said Oh well. I can go to a team Green Bay. You know an and have a good time and put all their so reggie. White Outta sight the a trail blazer our site indeed. It's reassuring as well to hit. Johnny nights is one of the legends of the game was overlooked by so many people love stories and Reggie white nicknamed the Minister of Defense. That's another one you know. Nobody said hey minister but it was an integrate nickname anyway legendary stuff cracking work. I and Mike speaking of legendary stuff. It is brilliant tap you as part of the gang this season and if this was Wanna get into more of your stuff. The best goes your Paci on column right yeah. That's twenty Friday morning tight end column if you go to patch on dot com Mike Carlson. FM T. E. and I pick all the games every week. One game on Thursday obviously and then the rest of them come out on Friday. KRYSTOF will tweet that out as well and push it out across our different social media channels look forward to the latest column dropping and look forward to the latest episode dropping open next week each and every Wednesday throughout the season. I'm Mike Right here on the net game. Show cracking well. Thank you always a pleasure always a pleasure. We'll be checking in with Mike very very very soon. You can count on it took stuff from Mike as I say we'll roll out his patron. Call them so you can get involved with that across social media speaking of Columns My Espn Colin drops tomorrow Thursday on the website so head over to espn cater read that and again. We'll push that one out a- as good again to the browns this week and Talk Brown that's why I- sneakily shaved off the running order. Let's talk about it with my but I but I saved it. 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The Greatest Hail Mary of All Time?

"Hello and welcome to the show on. Espn in association with bet fred on dropping by to recap an absolutely astonishing sunday football. My goodness me. There's a lot to talk about. I'm sure you all know where we're going to lead off getting into that shortly before we take a quick housekeeping a brand new episode of the show dropping this weekend that come show edge rush. Keep your eyes peeled for that. It'll be dropping into your poll. Catch of choice saturday mornings with some stairs and picks for the weekend's action kimberly from espn's dropping by later on this week to preview week. Eleven with us a looking forward to that but without further ado let's get straight down to business and check in with the what the only on mike good to see one or two things to get get into. There's only one place we can start of course not as high and the three the texans come on minoa this show or whatever. It was a preview show. I said one thing about this game. It's gonna be a lot of points. This is gonna be a sheep down now you know i had. I had a good week so far. Picking straight up but of course the spreads were absolutely crazy and the people who had had cleveland with four died. Wouldn't when nick chug decided not to score a touchdown oh boy exactly yeah ending to a perfect day but you know but i knew this game was going under. I could just see it. And even though it would have been nice for duke johnson to get his revenge against the browns those the old browns of the new browns and that was the old houston in. This is the new houston and to be honest. They gave deshaun watson such a bump at at the start of the show You know how he was. The one of the two or three best quarterbacks in the league blah blah blah houston is someday going to look back and say wasted a great talent into shawn watson. Hey i was kidding. We don't have to start with this game. i think. I think it's a great place to start the great. We can write it off a view that we've talked. We've said everything the best. My my highlight from the game. Apart from nick. Chubb not scored a touchdown which i thought was great and kareem hunt. Played really well. He's not do he. he didn't do a girly. I think what yeah. Yeah he he knew. And you'd think maybe maybe after such a long run that he would forget. Forget the message because barely they'd had the message in the in the huddle but my other favorite moment that was fairbairn punting on a fake field goal yes which was a real cfl move so it would work great for houston if there'd been a twenty five yard end zone kick today in and got a single for it not with a crazy weather as well. Ali our producer say. What's wrong with this over line with this. The line that totals line seems really really low and sediment screengrabbed of gale force winds in ohio. Yeah on the store you tell us that. It's one of those things when games are being played in the north of us in particular. But i mean it's worth checking you know anyway but be very careful this time of year and then check the weather reports before you before you kind of put your bets down over unders and spreads and things like that because you know we saw it in a few games. This weekend at the weather can really have have a big effect on the game. Okay kids on that one. I'm sure all he is scribbling notes. Dan much as he likes the odd punt supposedly. Let's get down to business card. Fairburn soaks the incredible ending. Wet stopped me. There's a catch for the ages. Overstayed incredible piece of athleticism from hop kids. But my deep dive into the technical aspects of hail. Marys did the history and the chronology. Because you look at the numbers and around eight percent. Rafi eight and change of how mary's end up in a touchdown. I want to break this down in particular. So how much of. This was entirely down to hopkins. And how much of it was mari. And how much on the bills making a mistake. Trying to defend it. I've been thinking about this not all night but since i woke up in the morning i think it might be the best hail mary i've ever seen and i suppose you know i don't go back and i can't think of everyone i've ever seen the nfl. But the aaron rodgers. One to to richard rodgers us and the jacksonville one where the ball was tipped back and then caught by. I think it was michael. Thomas too little the little receiver who sorta scooped it up. The defensive back knocked down but but he scooped it up on the three yard line and dove in for the score that was kind of a fluke one but it was great. This one to me is equal if not better to the doug. Flutie hail mary for boston college against the you. At the end of the season the guy that got fluid heisman trophy right and it's very similar in a way but cuyler murray flutie makes time for himself by rote by spinning out of the rush and then he throws the ball. I would guess close to sixty yards in the air. If i remember right murray does even better. Because he really should have been tackled. Yeah he really had a get out of sack and he did and then he doesn't throw the ball quite so far i suppose it was about a about a fifty fifty five yard throw in the end but he puts it up there and normally if you don't have a play designed for it it's a very hard thing to have a play designed for it. You have to count on the defenders making a mistake or your player making great play. Now in flutie's case to miami defenders there were two of them on. Gerald fail made the catch but they both were in front of him and went for the interception and flew. Put it over their heads. Basically he put it. Right into jared felons belly this one. There were three defenders. Their davis white had him and was fronting mica. Hide to safety was behind him and jordan when he saw the ball go came over To make it a third defendant. He nearly got it. And this was basically down to hopkins making a play. And you know it wasn't a ridiculous catch like tire like david tyree saying the super bowl. It was a hands catch when you heard him after the game talking about he was talking about but like it was a rebound basketball. He wanted to high point ball. He got it at that point when he was up the top of his jump with his hands and he's got big hands big huge chance he is. I said this. I think on this show at some point with maybe maybe even before the season when we were talking about the huge trade hopkins is pass catcher in the league. When you throw a ball up fifty. Fifty ball i think he's got hits. Seventy thirty ball with hammer an eighty twenty ball with him and he just made a fantastic catch in being triple team player. Had a good shot at washer davis white had a shot. The ball height was was almost sitting on his back and he just he got it in his hands and it wasn't coming out was the the throw because looking an similar to you i guess to all of our listeners. An nfl fans around the world. It was an extremely into the game and being obsessed with ever since looking back at the all the hail mary reading up on it. And you mentioned. Aaron rodgers in particular in terms of contemporary quarterbacks amongst the finest in terms of executing don't incidentally he sees a few in his back catalogue as well and reading. What rojas saying you said two things. That particularly arc is key right and also the is. You're going to overthrow it. Dangerous shootout back of the almost try because going for that poll that you can overthrow shit out the back of the end zone so clearly hopkins made what about murray's throw it's great. It's a great show. Because i think that that's really good that quote from rogers. Because what you're trying to do is to give your guy a chance to make a play you can't you can't put it in on his hands or whatever but what you want to do is give him a chance to get his position and get up in the air and make a play and to do that. You do need to put our on the ball you know so everybody is then looking at the ball coming down and boxing out or jumping over you. Think of like. Brady's hail mary to grog the end to the super bowl against the eagles. You know that they're not gonna call defenders for jumping on top of you when you look for the ball but all you can do. Put the ball up there knowing. That's the case so it really is what you're doing what you're doing if you do your job properly is giving the rusty urge chance to make a play. Some teams will put a couple of guys in there The patriots if you remember that play had amendola i think it was maybe edleman like hanging from them in case the ball came down your tipped or whatever there are things you can do but basically it relies on your receiver making a play getting rebound in fact in the basketball association of the nfl. This is kind of like the high point of it. There was huge going on in the game that grandstand finish. You had of course just before that. josh allens twelve. Play seventy eight yard scoring drive. She thought had had done the deal. You had the candy to allen touch that into which did you prefer you for. The one to which is your. Which is your favorite. I think the one to alan was more fun. Jakobi meyers tura was being interfered with and and luckily defensive back. Let go of him just before the ball got there. But my and myers is throw was perfectly weighted. Did what what you do on that of pass. And and you see get from russell wilson a lot when he's just kind of throwing it up there into the end zone You you let the receiver get under it. He does this with lock it. He did it this week. He did it the week before and wrote lockett newly made a fantastic catch in other words. You put the ball where only the receiver has a shot. Even if it's not a good shot. And that's what myers did and it was a good shot. I mean it was right. We're so birkhead could was released by the defense back and basically took one step in men was falling to make the catch and it was perfect. But the isaiah mackenzie one was so much fun you know. Because they were they were looking. It ran off the previous play. So they were looking at it as being a jet. Sweep and around. And they right. Allan allan barely caught it and then and then went in when in looking like know looking like a geeky tight end. Kind of like a jesse james type surprised to be. Yeah it was such. That game was just so so much fun from from start to finish. Let's talk about the calls defense for bit. Because i talked about the allen scoring drive at at the end which was text mccallum. He's done this many times before. Of course leading fourth quarter scoring drives to close the game down and know normal circumstances. I mean in fairness ollie. Ollie the producer. Raise the point before we came on you know. Some of the book on allen is that he can't win big games and a lot of people are you know are going are going to be a are going to be putting him down now. Saying buffalo's not a playoff team because allen can't get the big one. I'm not sure what else he needed to do. You know unless he played they could have sent him in as a defensive back. You i think the answer and teams do this. I mean you remembered the patriots with gronk grown in against miami when they ran the multi blurred. Yeah but randy. Moss used to play deep safety You know i can leave a couple of other What's his name from the giants. Who shot himself. He sokaia lexical to do. They used to put put them as a deep safety and then he would just track the ball when it was in the air and try to bat it down. And it's it's a really good defensive technique but you know chuck's charlotte's got starts in front of is definitely kind of in the top. Three current quarterbacks leading game winning drives in the last couple of years. that's his thing right. Well i mean he just doesn't seem to get much credit for it. I think the bills lost a number of close games against good teams and that was the book last year you know. They lost twice to the patriots both times close games. What low scoring games where he wasn't able to the key ones but you know i. I don't think he has an left to prove in this game. It's kind of like it's. It's kind of like blaming. Alex smith because matt prater hit a sixty nine fifty nine yard field goal to win the game. You know what what else can you do. And i think you know the bills arizona's a difficult especially at home because they never look like they're meeting right but murray does what watson has done through his career. What russell wilson does he just finds a way to make a play and you can keep him contained all game and then he'll come out and make one or two in the fourth quarter and sneak a win which is basically what they did against buffalo. I think he's sneaking away a good thing to mention watson. look lamar jackson. Muhoza store those three in there and compatible and that running stars with kawamori. Because i mean it sounds of aesthetics. Of course you've got the legs moving so quickly. he looks like a minute tornadoes. Tom cotton character on on. Murray only one who's less than four times bigger than his helmet other than that. What do they make because blazing speed of course but from a defensive point of view why is it so difficult other than the speech to to stop mar because it seems to just make defenders spin around in circles entirely down to the speed or is that more to it. It's not just straight ahead speed. It's got incredible short area quickness. He can change direction at a snap. He can he can spend. He's got really good peripheral awareness. To which a lot of know. A lot of quarterback stone have when they scramble that ability to send skies coming from the side Much like a basketball point guard Really good basketball. Point guard in like russell wilson. He was a baseball a professional baseball player or not well. He wasn't professional but he was drafted to be. He's an athlete as well as well as a skilled quarterback. And you know that makes a difference in it. Also showed i think in the dominance arizona's defense in big man. Joseph credit for this. He shut down the running game. Yep completely buffalo's knicks. He did they did a great job of it but this used to be a continuing issue for them as well. And that's what teams want to do. The book is make make allen. Beat you because you know the people will count on making some bad throws to where we're receivers are open. Make him run the ball and beat you so you shut down the running game in arizona. Did that what murray does. Because you have to account for him is make it a little bit easier for arizona's running game and they you know draken and edmonds ran really well. They had over one hundred and fifty yards between them and that opens that opens things up for them. And then when you got when you've got one of the two or three best receivers in the league and you know certainly one who you can. Just throw the ball in his direction and more often than not. Get a catch it. May it makes for a potent offense. I'm still not convinced. Arizona's going to be up there but you know at the moment sudden the cardinals gonna make the plus. Let's move on to our next game in two teams. I want to ask the same question. Rips real shock on sunday night football. I don't think anybody unless you might say these things you might have given the patriots more of a shot than most but other than anyone saw this this result coming pages upsetting the ravens. They moved to four and five nonunion but that win and and have something vaguely resembling an offense going again and the ravens trending the other way given the division. The ravens are in. It's what i want you to get your perspective. Initially on that playoff aspirations but the ravens in the patriots the ravens might be in some kind of trouble here. The patriots might be able to scrap their way into the playoffs through the back door. Well those are sort of two different questions right now. The ravens are three games off the division title and pittsburgh's already beaten them so they're not going to get a tie-break that way which means they're in the wild card hunt and right now wildcard wise. I think there's five teams at six and three That are all contending. Those three wildcard places so theoretically they should be able to stay in the wildcard hunt and they will probably see some of the competition off because cleveland's in their division and if new england were to come up they would be fighting miami also in their division. So you know there will be games to lose their so. They're probably controlling their own destiny for new england. It's going to be interesting because obviously they're playing still a tougher schedule because of where they finished last year. But the games they have coming up they could conceivably even the way they are. You could figure out of the four and then they go in. They need to do better than that. Three out of four would be really what they want but they go in the last three weeks of the season they play buffalo. The jets in miami right so they could go into the season knowing that if they win all three of those games they could win the division which is probably the only way they get into the playoffs in a lot. Depends if buffalo or miami going to run and you know. Put themselves in an unassailable position. But i think that that's a possibility. I'm not sure the game. This game convinces me. The patriots are of that quality at this point but a couple of good things. From their point of view damian harris out rushed the ravens. Which which you wouldn't believe going into the game now. Part of the problem for baltimore was clay. Campbell was out and then brandon. Williams got hurt early right so they were down. Two defensive tackles from the rotation on the other hand. You look at the players. The patriots are putting out their defense. Second-leading tackler was tarez hall. And if any of you know how to raise hall is without my telling you it proves it proves my point. They played a really good situational football game on awful night where teams wanted to run the ball and once again lamar jackson just wasn't able to pass them into a lead which they really need to play with the lead. Yeah jackson owens six when he's trailing by ten points yeah and that that's that says it all. I think that that's that is still there problem. And we talked about jakobi meyers. You know you get one big play like that and that can help change a game and they also had. I think it was three. Fumbles on bad snaps in the shotgun. So dan skyros the centers. Probably have to watch a lot of film during the week. And that's a tough break but What do you make you a cabinet. Because he's had a a topsy. Turvy season obviously. Coit has been a significant reason for that. But where where you with him as a patriot. And do you think there's a long term future for. That's a good question because he really seems to be enjoying it. Based on his postgame press conferences he was talking about how bill belichick basically predicted everything. That was going to happen. The game or i guess the way it was going to play out. I think i think the funny part is both these teams have sort of the same problem. Which is don't have. They don't have a quarterback receiver connection in the patriots case. You say well they're best receivers. Jakobi meyers an undrafted guy. In his second year wasn't drafted for reason. The reason being he doesn't have much speed in therefore he's pretty easy to control with number one receiver but but on the on the ravens side. They've got guys who should who should be goto type receivers. In fact they've gone. Hollywood brown complaining that nobody throws him the ball. Enough go to receive. He's a great receiver but he's he well. They threw him six times. He only had two catches now. Whether that's good defense or whatever. I think the biggest difference i see is that they don't have the tight end rotation that they did last year and they should again. You can't figure out why. Because they only lost one of their tight ends and they they replace him but last year they were really when they were passing hurting teams. They were doing it with their tight ends more than anything else. And now it's willie snead mostly short short catches. You know. maybe they need another over the top guy. Maybe they need a possession. receiver jarvis. Landry tie agree. I think that's exactly what they need before we write off for a lot of people say written off. Lamar jackson twenty four thirty. Four forty nine yards two schools and he rushed for fifty. Five is well on eleven so it wasn't exactly an abysmal performance. You make a great point about the bad snaps in the pressure about on them but of course because of the stasi set last year. It is a regressive. So far for lamar. Yeah how much so mike. How how a lot. In my point of view i thought the ravens they were my afc pick at the start of the year. Because i was assuming they would be better. I thought they had a great draft. I thought they were going to bring these pieces in and the team would get better. I think what we're seeing to. An extent is the limitations of greg. Romance offense right that it hasn't it. Hasn't it hasn't shifted at all says last year. There's nothing new about it. There's nothing that the teams have to prepare especially for and that's a problem. Obviously ingram spin out so they haven't had all their running backs but jk dobbins was drafted. You know for that possibility. Long term replacement for marketing. Mark ingram gus. Edwards obviously is still there but but they're just not they're just not as efficient against teams. That know how to play them and i think as with josh allen teams are daring lamar jackson to beat them through the air. And they haven't been able to do that and you know and that's a problem and whether it's because you know i think back to colin kaepernick and in san francisco on under roman and and cap was similar in a way and teams will were saying okay. Beat us with your feet you know. Let's make cavernous beat us by himself. Us with your feet and then when you have to pass we're going to cover we're going to cover the receiver so well you're not the pastor who can do it that way. Let's we bought the similar kinds of problems for them in the sense. That quarterback is under pressure as well for different kinds of reasons might because the defense is so vanilla. It's putting so much weight on on russell. Wilson's showed us and when he comes up or is receive as anyway k of a particular comes up against a play jalen ramsey to shut mechkov down in the game then things get tricky trending the wrong way as well. Seattle losing three four. How worried should they be. I think they have to worry a lot. And it's before you even get to russell wilson. It's the defense to connected right. Yeah they they couldn't stop the run. Which which hadn't been a problem up until this week And the rams are not a great running team and what happens if andrew whitworth is out for you know for a long time. I'm not sure but you know i. I don't necessarily worry about mount malcolm brown or darrell henderson or cam akers rookie You know beating me the way you might worry about todd gurley but they're so bad defensively that you know how the rams have played them well in fairness the last few years if you think bags ally missed that field goal in seattle or the all of last five because i think they put offensive pressure on seattle and and play to the weaknesses and although jamal adams had statistically a good game i'm not sure. His lack of coverage ability makes up for the fact that he gets. You know a couple of tackles for loss a sack or do you think that that could have been humour sacks seems to be. I mean he seems to be that russia. Right i mean dunlop's getting involved a little bit similar kind of thing. They rely too much on too much coming from one person. Yeah yeah think about think about when seattle when the legion of boom was in in is adams's kam. Chancellor in that defense did you ever see kam. Chancellor blitzing right rarely He was there to be a fourth linebacker if they read run or a defensive back if they didn't and i think that's where adams doesn't you know and i was thinking he would myself but i think it's a combination of him not being great at that role and that they can't generate pass rush otherwise there are. There is no good leo player on that team. In the were they really want to generate the pass rush from and they're not getting it from the inside rushers either so you know it puts them in a it puts them in a bind. And if if they have to bring defensive backs up to to play the ron and rush the passer. It means that there's going to be receivers open because their secondary still isn't they've got a couple of young guys with promised boot. It's still isn't a really great secondary so i think what happens then the ideal game plan for pete carroll is to control the game on the ground. Come up with a couple of turnovers with your defense and as long as the games close russell's going to win it in the fourth quarter forty what's happening is russell has to win in the first quarter the game all becomes all russell wilson and that's that becomes to easy for the defense to control 'cause they got so is the shift for run to to pass or becoming more pass heavy because of the weapons of because a conscious choice and we wanna do our offense run offense different or was it because karam new defense had shortcomings and and had to go that way. I don't think he knew in advance. Just like those of us who are watching the first few weeks of the season and saying look russell. Wilson's the mvp. He's really carrying team. We weren't noticing at that point. How bad the defense was. And it didn't become a pair until they. They started coming up with games. They couldn't win with russell. Wilson I think is offensive. Line's got a few problems that they didn't have last year. Alex collins and t. j tj dallas. Who's playing on the wrong team should be done in texas. You know can't give them the kind of consistent running that carson does and that's really what people wants in offenses and he was lucky. Everything was everything worked out for him on those great seattle teams because he had marshawn lynch. Who didn't need a great offensive line right to still gain his yardage you know he he. How many times did we see. Marshawn lynch get a two yard gain out of what should have been a two yard loss and then and then you know that would go on. And then he'd brought bust one for thirty yards or whatever and that would that would keep them into in games and they don't have those they don't have those those elements anymore and in that division. It's it's really fascinating because there is there are three teams who can be beaten if you catch them at the right at the right time and and do the right things with them. And it's almost like a round robin you know. And if the forty niners had jimmy g. back and a few of their defensive players back it would probably be a four-way a four way dance. Although i don't know whether the niners can actually play a part in this for the rest of the year we let's talk about them going down. Twenty seven thirteen to the saints as expected the saints with double digit favorites but the big headline coming out of the game vs drew. Brees is injury which appears to be. Ribs could be out for a while. He's mr the second half and there a lot of buzz on social media standing looking. Clearly i'm settled on the sidelines but suited up still an flown and people were being benched benched him and that was this bus but but it's injury. It's a rib injury. The odd comment from tatum hill. But it was many james carrying the load. So that's my first question if breezes out for a couple of weeks is it defacto. James over overtakes him healthy thing and how much of a regression will be when you compare last year to when breeze went out and teddy came in and handled things pretty capably. The i think teddy is a lot better quarterback than than jay mrs In especially in new orleans contact context. I thought when when the penalty came for roughing the passer. I thought it was a very a very soft penalty and i thought brees was actually trying to sell it like a soccer player but it apparently he was actually hurt and that it wasn't wasn't faking that that pay miles jack best. The best mile shack was a whole nother subject. Jack was one of those great ones where the contact comes and you can see the thought process for like count of one count do and then he goes into his fake and i asked on on social media last night which which team in the english premier league should sign him as a kind of as a kind of penalty specialist. But but going back to that so so assuming breezes hurt. I think you saw from kind of the way it would play out if if he starts because we know he can get the ball downfield but he has very little awareness of the rush which has always been his problem and that that brings turnovers a you know. How many times did we see him. Get sacked in fumble. Because he didn't know or didn't sense that a guy was about to sack sack him so he he doesn't do that. Three steps in the balls gone kind of thing. That breeze does now. I'm sure they've been working with him on doing that. I don't think case mill starts at quarterback I'm not sure if tastes hills ever. I'm not sure if he's ever taken a snap as a t formation quarterback. Every time i can think of seeing him he's been in the shotgun right his arms. Not that bad it's not. It wasn't an accurate arm in college but it was a strong one. Yeah they were bringing bringing him in a law rotating right which is interesting off then third downs tastes. It was coming in. Do you think they'll that's maybe a path. Look at his is mixing it up a bit. I'm just just like they do now. I'm not you know. I just don't think there was some speculation that they that they saw him as a long term replacement. But i. i really don't think that that's going to be the case. If they did you would see him. You would see him in in the next couple of weeks. Playing as a t formation quarterback right but. I don't think that would help them. Visa be jamus getting into the rhythm of a game and the saints are a rhythm team and they're not going to be able to win by by going with alvin kamara for everything. It's camera harris. How do we pronounce his a camera. You know like a kamara. I'll take tomorrow. But i think he had another great game This week obviously the idea was we're going to throw the ball to him and they did. And just disconnect. Sure your points that with james they. He was very cautious. They were very careful with what they're asking to do. But all season long we've seen this saints. Offense bereft of a depot doesn't have a deep pool. So do you think they might change the way they play. He plays over the next few weeks. Breeze out do you think they might mix up the playbook a little bit and play to his strengths will take your point. That's also maybe biggest weaknesses. I a great point. And and they have a couple of guys particularly deonte harris but trae kwan smith. He's not heard because he got hurt in the game as well Who can go deep deep threats. And i'm not sure what happened with emmanuel sanders because he made one catch but that was about the only it was the only one that was thrown to him. But you know if if michael thomas and emmanuel sanders are both in the game. Then you've got targets and guys like like harris and smith can get single coverage and beat it harris. Especially so yeah. I think that's a really good point. And i wonder you would think that sean payton would be able to adjust his offense to do that. He's got a good offensive line. He can still run the ball. And i i think if he opens things up for hair for janus he probably gets better result than if he tries to keep james. Just throwing the short stuff. It's it's a good question. I do think the. I picked him at the start of the season to go to the super bowl and i still think the best team in the nfc at boxing to fear because they of course bounce back after that. I don't think so but it's hard it's hard to say you know there's and this is what i said. That's why i picked them at the start of the season. There's there's kind of a gap and and you know. I didn't think green bay. What are they now. Seven and two. I didn't rush you. They were thirteen and three. But i didn't really rate them at thirteen and three. You know i thought this is a ten in fi- ten six eleven and five team in in a division where they're not really challenged and that that kind of still holds up for me a so i if they can get through this you know. I think they're good. I don't know the the bucks that that game was less one-sided the score looks because they got a couple of scores in garbage time especially that last one to two gronk which which helps brady and gronk some definitely but you know. They went back to the ground game. That's what they left against the saints and ninety a yard touchdown was kind of the turning point of the game. It kind of changed. That matt rule got a little bit too cute went to the fake punt once too often. I think you know everybody in the stadium could kind of sit at. How many people were but everybody could could sort of sense that a fake punt was on the cars at that point because they really needed to stay in the game and there are funny team carol carolina because they can stay in the game but they can't win them they don't know and that syria so no no they don't they. Don't really have the weapons to win. The when mccaffrey was back last week they did and if he had played in this game i would have thought it might have been a bit different but now teddy might be out and if teddy's out their season is pretty much gone 'cause. Pj walkers not going to be is not gonna be able to take him through the fireable. Backups let's fins charges next because it was a much anticipated. Game of course fifteen two rookie quarterbacks first head to head of course the trajectories a little bit different for obvious reasons that choose played stafford is what was third game as a starter and he had a little caveat won before that inhabit speed in falungong to see more action and already built a pretty credible reputation as somebody that we think is gonna stick around in this league and and be a play a good few years. What about two presses stopped for him by all accounts might have you made of his first few starts as adults. Well it's interesting because they're on a five game winning streak right miami And fits won the first two of those games. I think he's been put in a good position because his defense is been amazing in off. Three of these wins. He's been playing with a lead basically not not sort of under pressure to create one himself right and he's been okay. He's shown some impressive impressive qualities. I'm not convinced that the dumb that he's the passer that that either herberger joe burrow is or are and it would have been it would have been fascinating to see had. He played his college season. You know how the three of them would have stacked up at the end of the year. And i keep grinding now. That he's behind those guys not only because he hasn't been playing since the start of the season which in some ways is a benefit because he's been able to watch learn but he also didn't have that year last year of college a great point his. I don't think i've heard that that made it such such an interesting point. People say well you. i'm time so the reps. He missed experiencing instrument for that. The most significant year of development is college player. Usually i guess he's the final year right to this. Does that as well. And you've talked to mike about quarterbacks that come in to the nfl without much without a big body of work right. So i'm trying to think was it. Sanchez only played relatively small number of games at usc before he came to this one season starter. It's an underestimate thing. We would she take you back in a franchise tomorrow and you could choose between the two. Who would you lean towards between the two of between the between herbert or two. Probably herbert troy sanchez in there. If you want. I might take over joe burrow but that that would be a close one impressed with that clearly. Yeah but you know. Here's your problem. You go to bad teams when you're a good quarterback unless something strange happens and i think herbert has gone to a really bad situation for him. With the chargers and borough i think is not in such a bad situation with with cincinnati. And i think he's being better coach there and to of course in a good situation in the sense with a team that can actually win games so that that makes you that makes you look better and it puts less pressure on you both those guys. I think both borough and herbert and herbert in particular already know. They have to carry their team. Yes if their team's going to win they have to carry it. I don't think too has to face that responsibility at this point in his career which gives him a big bonus you know and the dolphins went out and did it again. You know the special teams touchdown in the first quarter you know putting giving them a little bit of control over the game and the chargers of the chargers i think i turned on and You know just at the mall or or the baby was when they switched. I thought i was in a time machine because for how many years of the chargers made special teams mistakes still unbelievable to lose games. They we just you know different coaches whatever and i think in my mind. At least i think that Lynn might well be out at the end of the season and he's getting a lot of the criticism and it seems to me. You think that's fair well. I'm not sure it's fair or not But i never see anything from them to suggest that they're they're kind of coping with the whatever adversities facing interesting thing about that game was that there was only six seconds of time of possession between the two teams. Miami won the battle with thirty minutes. Stick well so. I guess i guess that's Twelve seconds between them but but yeah it was. It was very close. In that sense. He was very close in yardage. Turnovers were equal first. Downs were were actually charged. I mean if you look at the stats you would think this was a really close game and it was actually a really close game but it didn't seem that way. It always seemed like miami was in control of it Sal von hoffman. Yeah fantasy leagues all around the world. Eighteen five yards in his school. But he's got a good weapons around. We knew about turning into a series title. And isn't he. He's got some got some a weapons to play with to a. Let's talk about some other games before we wrap my status rolling on tonight as we constantly reminded for the first time in franchise history. Just did all the time now. Whatever was referred to the stevens cruising it was pretty straightforward stuff and the bengals might run them a little bit closer than they did might be surprised how how dominant the steelers i think. So but the steelers are doing this with their defense more than anything else and this was another game where the time of possession turned out to be remarkably close. Considering how one sided this game was and benz throwing up a lot of balls and getting some success but cincinnati stopped him running even when they had the lead. they couldn't run the ball and kill clock. They had to keep putting it up in the air. And i kept thinking you know something will go wrong and and cincinnati will make play and you know something happened but but it didn't obviously and i like i like the set of receivers own juju and claypool but boy do they get a lot of throws to get to where they're going And klay pools amazing densities. They're really been is looking for him in the red zone. Yeah yeah he's he's become a red zone target which is probably the first canadian receiver can say unless you think austin call april washington in a lot about it. But that's a really key point you make against the stronger team. Maybe a weakling. Thing you think offensively the the the ground just isn't where it needs to be. Yeah which is which is partly down to injury in the offensive line. But that's that's just stuff you have to deal with. But i think yeah when they when they play when they play good teams with good secondary's that's they'll probably have more of a problem and the thing as with everybody when you play. Kansas city is. Can you win a shootout with them and they can win a shootout with most teams because their defense is so good. Yes that built built in advantage but but kansas city for them. I think is would be a really. It's gonna be really fascinating game and of course right now you would say that. That's the end the afc championship Because no other no other contenders sort of jumps out at you as being the you know the possible. Second best team in the in that conference. Yeah you're so right as you appointing earlier with requisite as a gaggle of teams that buzzing around the world because the rate is in that mix of course and again we we know the offense is good. Put up thirty seven against denver. We impressed with that. Defense against the broncos was the the trevor look at tax just so poor lackluster that they tell pays us like deceptive tail here. It's yeah that's hard. That's that's one of those balanced things that it's hard to get. I think lock was playing hurt for much of that game and and that was really shaken up disney. I mean obviously they put it back in mike. I was too. Because i thought you know Ripped the rippin. Whose fathers canadian ronco saris uncle is. Canadian is his uncle. Bob repeated yeah young and i thought that they might put amen because lock was going nowhere and it didn't. It didn't seem like that was a good idea base. But they seem sold on him as their quarterback of the the near the near future interested. Denver right yeah i know. Well i mean john elway as the quarterback guru right. I think his choice of quarterbacks has been very strange over the years. But i might you know that you know because i think was originally a stage play as well but the bronx tale movie that the deniro deniro's first film directed. Yea mumbles who just keeps jigs exciting than whatever the race track whether growing dicey such is intact. John elway bolsa quarterback. It's good that'd be good nickname for those you can just see the guys get in the in the huddle thirty seconds to go. They got the ball third and twelve on the on the thirty two yard. Line down by four okay mumbles. What's to play distract you. I don't know i mean. They're not the defensive team vic fangio would want them to be and if the offense plays badly that puts too much pressure on their defense to to be good. The receivers have not have not turned drew. Lock into a forest or their offense into a force and and basically have a lot of trouble running the ball. Even with melvin gordon. You know added added to the mix which want people might have said you. Could've you could've predicted other rate is a team that can keep up with the chiefs. You give it gets a you know a playoff shootout. Were god if you can run the ball for two hundred yards. You know me you should. You should be able to To keep up with most people car had it was a it was a funny day for car and partly because they were they were mostly taking short stuff which is what denver was wanted them to do but denver couldn't stop the run and i just keep thinking that there's this preconception in in john gruden's mind about what car can and can't do and even when you see when you see them be effective with downfield passing stuff like that. They always seem to revert back to car in short or less effective passing offense. Mike we get a rap with you celebrating. One of the game's greats who we lost in the last week before we do one more on the weekend in the fcat's which i a contractual obligation we talk about every show. I think it's false becoming my favorite division in the history of the nfl the giants favorites in the nfc favorite loose in in this did. Did you see scott hanson at one point red zone when they were went to highlight if i think it was the giants washington and if see catch the excitement but i just thought philadelphia all credited the giants defense because they basically they basically stifled anything. Philadelphia wanted to do in philadelphia. Really did look like they had no no clue and everybody was busy trying to figure out. What what abacus. Doug peterson misusing to decide whether to go for two or not in when he should have probably figuring out a way to get the ball to somebody who can actually do something with it. This was. I watched a lot of the game and this to me was probably the worst game. I've seen carl carlson wentz play. Yeah and They were overnight on third down and third down snotty great statistic. But when you're for nine it it does. It does tell you something about about how badly your is playing. And and they were. They were sloppy. This was a team coming off a bye week. You know they should have. They should have been ready such dyas to its credit. The giants play a good game. They got they got the score out of daniel jones early slayton. Who's i think. Kind of underrated. People are are forgetting that darius slayton has been really good on really bad passing teams. He made he made a couple of plays and defensively. They just harried the harry. A i mean when you're looking at turnovers one of the things about turn overseas is carson. Wentz fumbled twice. But they didn't lose either fumble but even though you don't lose it it kind of halts your offense show because a played a play. That should have gone somewhere. Didn't you know this was true of san francisco to they lost. Two fumbles and new orleans. Lost two fumbles so you say well. That's a wash. But the saints actually fumbled five dives right but fumble came through for them. Thumbs luck yeah. That's something that. Incidentally i wanna give a shoutout to die john. Hey dice. who sent me. A link to joe judge off that the game in the presser. You might see in this clip and push it out on on on channel. Dnc show. if. You haven't already joe judge. Somebody's mobile going off in the in the post match. Press if you see that. Joe judge just kicking off. Whoever's got that turn it off. Turn it off. Because i would discuss the of course the head coaches you would least like to get halftime rollicking from what was on that list. Joe judge's straight into the top. Three of our barracks coaches yeah. I mean i always wondered what happens in the patriots. Locker room at halftime. If bill just comes in and gives them the kind of sullen. I'm really disappointed. Look everybody kind of like your parents know. Hundred said he does. That's the worst. Gotta hit mike before you go you a writing about as i say one of the games. Great to who we lost this week. Tell us more. Yeah the golden boy. Paul horning hall of famer with the green bay packers heisman. Trophy winner at notre dame. The only heisman trophy winner to play on a losing team in college in fact they went. They went to an eight but he was glamour. He was glamour player. A quarterback in college do everything. They played both ways in those days so he was a pretty good. Defensive player is big. He was fast at the college. All star game. He beat a woodson. Who a really fast halfback wound up playing defensive back in the nfl hundred yard dash when he went to green bay. He had a couple of really good years before lombardi got there and you could make the argument that lombardi. Although he was perfectly suited for lombardy system he might have been a better player or at least one racked up better numbers playing for somebody else. His claim to fame is most that he held for longtime the nfl's scoring record with one hundred seventy six points. But he was not that great a kicker although very few kickers were that great a kicker in those days as tokyo and many people look at him as being one of the least qualified guys in the nfl because for most of his lombardi years. Jim taylor was the number one running back. They ran a split t what they used to call. The pro set formation and lombardy signature play. Was the power. Sweep in the beauty of paul horn. And i think why he liked paul morning so much was an horning at at sort of six to in hundred could block and he a long clear. Jim taylor and jim taylor. Had five straight thousand rushing seasons when he did but haunting was blocking for most of that time he also had a year suspension. when he and alex karras gambling on football games. They were hanging out with gamblers and warnings from lexington kentucky and he actually promised pete rozelle as part of his. Reinstatement that he wouldn't go to the kentucky derby which was which was a real great law loss for me his his peak career kind of ended right after that and the year they of super bowl one which was his last year with the packers he had a a pinched nerve in his neck which limited his plate and actually play in super bowl. One so i think even based on his previous year's performance he'd been able to do that for a couple of years with green bay in the super bowl era he would probably not get the knocked the criticism he gets from. I'm not gonna say stat heads because you could make. The argument depends on statistics. But who. I compare them to as more like guys like frank gifford. Who was a quarterback in college. Tom mattie who was a quarterback in college and became halfbacks in the nfl and oddly enough although gifford was a four time all pro and horning was only once gifford's. When i looked on pro football reference gifford's career value was much less than warnings and both of them was much less than tom. Mattie and nobody. We put tom mattie in the same category with those two guys so i think i think warnings in there because he was part of a pack packer teams and he was glamorous just like gifford is in the hall of fame because he was part of those new york giant teams that were really good in the late fifties and early sixties and. He was glamorous and we don't have many glamorous guys football anymore so you know when when you think about the golden boy paul herning. I'm not going to begrudge take place in the hall of fame because you know he was sort of in a sense ahead of his time as being a a personality within a rather. I wouldn't say but rather work lunch bucket. Kind of game he was. He was kind of a superstar personality before joe nemeth ever showed up. Yeah i was gonna say doing yeah. Jr echoing name at the final line to the new york times ever at the bit forum saying all the while he pursued a robust lot. Nightlife of women. Drink seem to have little effect on performance. I think art huts probably gave a lot of time to get out of shape when you think about it but yeah i guess when you partied in those days you see these pictures of athletes out at clubs in new york and the guys would go to shores whatever and they're there with with you know good looking women with with the hairdos the the spray straight hair and all that kind of stuff and they're smoking and in front of everybody used you know glasses and bottles of whisky on the table off and it was like there was no kind of like a pre during appre dinner. Drink at a post dinner drink. You just shrank. Those are the good old days read. Carlson great sketch patron dot com slash michelson. Fm tease well. This could i'll be doing. 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Some Good News & Some Bad News

The Nat Coombs Show

1:00:09 hr | 1 year ago

Some Good News & Some Bad News

"Hello welcome to that show on ESPN. Good to have you with us. We're going to get straight down to business 'cause there's a ton to talk about who a I and Mike to put us in the picture. Might maggots. Happy Back we got good news and bad news to start with which would you WANNA go? You better start with the bad news not having me on video I mean that's The devastating news I still come to terms with thinking about that. We'll start with with the press go. Of course, which is on so many levels really upsetting is going for the season shoulder ankle injury needing surgery. The latest is where recording this. We'll look at the implications Mike for for Dallas's season in a moment but does this injury mean? That docks future as a cowboy is seriously in doubt. That's a really good question. And you know it's awfully ironic. Is it that isn't it that they've been trying to get a deal done or not trying to get the deal done. For his future and He has been leading the cowboys in kind of Russell Wilson Way boomer bossed behind back because nothing else seems to be working particularly well for them and then now he goes down and Andy Dalton came in and played very well within that offense has weapons. Now obviously don't not your long term solution to any problem and Dak offers things, lots of things Andy really doesn't. But he is the kind of guy who if Jerry Jones was saying well in the end I don't WanNa pay a huge amount of money for a hobble deck was And I think looking at that, he may not be ready by the start of next season. It's going to be a long Rehab. His contract. So just to recap he, he's he's franchise tagged at the moment and. Suggested that was a long protracted contract negotiations that the deal didn't get done. So this clearly leveraged to Jerry, Jones, right? Somewhat, the problem is, of course franchise see given the situation. Now it's going to be a real question to franchise him next year and when we saw with Kirk just think back to kirk cousins, you don't WanNa keep franchising in quarterback because then you're paying them probably more than you would if you gave him that long term deal right and Jerry may be hesitating about the guaranteed money or whatever. So the one thing I think that might work against stack is if Andy Dalton plays well the of the season. They could look at Dalton as of as. Mark Ryan, Fitzpatrick kind of guy. In other words, we can draft a quarterback. And then or you know there are going to be I don't think any game breakers on the free agent market that would be better than Daggett less at a cheaper cost, and then have him get us through one more year while we bring another. Guy. Along On, the other hand you know what you've got is is pretty good. Certainly, on the you know. If not in top ten on the right on the edge of top ten and. You can probably get him back in a bit of a a bit of a bargain after the injury. In other words you might be you might be able to persuade his agent that. To lessen the guarantees and kind of put approve it kind of clause in there for a year or so. So it's GONNA be. It's GonNa be fascinating, and of course, the key is something that none of us know is what what Jerry Jones is thinking about this because if he were really committed to Jackie would have thought he would have shown him up before last before this season now on that Mike was was the was the challenge the level of was playing before the season in the money, and this is always the way of course when you're the most recent contract to be done. The sometimes, players elevated beyond their ranking because. The most recent deal to be done but you look at my Holmes and Watson and Prescott in most people's eyes was below those two yet rages looking for that kind of level deal. Then you fast forward to the first four weeks of the season when Prescott was leading the NFL imposs- completions and attempts and passing yards heavy elevated his performance. Until he got injured this season into that elite crew, it's an interesting question because. The cowboys were one in three coming into this game and probably should have been in four. You know they. They had that great comeback. And Dak certainly. Is a big part of that in engineering that same thing against the Vikings I thought they caught a couple of really good breaks. All around not just in officiating but. you know to come back and win that game, and you can argue about whether the Vikings should have kicked a field goal and made it. You know get the two point conversion just to tie. But that that's academic. So the juries always going to be out on him I think you could argue the given performance. Dak is back is at a level with Ross with the Shawn Watson. Given the body of performance and and this. Is. This is a good indicator of why it's hard to take a quarterback bettine context. We talk about quarterback wins and quarterback this, but you know if. We're in Dallas, situation and Daquar in Houston with both we know I think might maybe both teams might have been better. Straight strangely enough. Given. The coaching giving the coaching and all that with was in place so. He's certainly not a mahomes. He's always you know part of the perception will always be will always be. Influenced by the fact that he was not a first-round pick. That, and I remember going back to shows that we were doing together and I was saying how much liked tack and you know I thought I. Think he was the third best quarterback in the draft and if I remember went fourth of the in the in the draft, he's already better than you. So I just think this is a fascinating story. Because as I said, we don't know what Jerry Jones is thinking. We don't know what Steven Jones thinking maybe and maybe he's the one who maybe Stephen Jones has an eight year old son who makes these decisions I don't know. But A. In the real world, you would have thought they would have sewed up sewn-up Dak.. Or moved on and by giving him the franchise tag, you almost get the feeling that they wanted to wait and see. Like buying a Christmas present no in and. Send it back. It's a very strange thing. And I don't know how you could make an offense more quarterback friendly than Dallas has tried to injuries have gotten in the way but you've got receivers you got a good running gun running back. You had a great offensive line and you know it's not as great as great anymore. And you've got a defense. That's you know. Scott more holes in it than a trendy teenagers, Jean Cerdan. On on the adult and you mentioned is backups goes through these as good as they get a good pickup that was. Says that keep them very much in the running for the east then because we know we've talked about it. Mike on this show that it's it's the most should be the weakest in in football this season. So at Eight, eight, nine, seven record could well take. So yeah, absolutely. Favorites in the division them with. Yeah, they were favorites to begin with are still favorites with Dalton, the eagles are kind of in and out. And they've been really hurt by injuries. Whence is still somewhat inconsistent. They've got problem problems up front but you know I'm looking at the Dallas thing and the giants had eight penalties for eighty yards in Dallas had three for twenty five. Dallas survived losing time of possession losing turnovers. I guess they were a little better on third down they have more first downs more yardage but that was kind of game where. One break the other way makes makes a huge difference. The fumble Daniel Jones's fumble was the real thing in the game. They're not that good The defense is awful. You can run through that defense and if the giants had saquon Barkley I, don't you know I I think given the way they were playing that was that would be a different game. But they have to be favored in the east you know. The rams have already beaten all four teams in the in the NFC so we should just declare them. Up The NFC east and and you know make the other guys just chase a wildcard I was getting worried early on in the game yesterday I message points that how did I not see. Jason. Garrett. Revenge. Yeah and it's it's funny when you said that you know 'cause I've been looking in the pre-game where and they showed the shot of of Garett. You know in being embraced or embracing Jerry Jones who didn't particularly look happy. To be doing that you know maybe maybe he was worried about the six foot distancing or something but. was almost pulled off. It would have been a great thing if he had and then that would have been our headline you know rather than. Being injured, which is a horrible thing to see and it's horrible injury and a lot of people this morning were coming down hard on Tony Romo on twitter. which is not like coming down hard on Tony Romo on the field. But because Roma was saying, maybe he thought that it was a pulled calf muscle because stack was rubbing his calf. But of course, that was what he was seeing and it wasn't until they got the head on shot from the sideline camera that we saw the the way his foot was bent. And then you know soon as soon as that came into sight, everybody knew that it was a really serious injury but the to me. The strange thing was Dak was showing no apparent pain He must have a very high pain tolerance. Because, he was rubbing that calf. He knew something was badly wrong obviously. But you know he he didn't seem to be suffering that much and you know I it's it's always horrible to see a bad injury like that. Well, it is below the segues nicely into a more positive story because speaking of bad injuries, Alex Smith of soft one of the worst we've seen. In years. Seventeen surgeries he required marketing realize that extent at one point, and if you watch, ESPN documentary will know that Sepsis and there was further might lose his leg one point early on in the whole process, and then here he is yesterday suited up back under center taking taking stats Washington, and of course, his offensive line Julie stepped up to the occasion and allow them to be sacked six times. which is already. But what story what an incredible story that is Mike Talk through what next Alex based on what you saw last night That's that's a good question because we didn't really see very much. Did we Alex Smith. Back. When It was I'm I remember saying that I thought he was a pretty good fit for J. Gruden's offense right? which had a lot of short passes a lot of quick release passes and that's what what he was good at. But he was also a very mobile quarterback. He had played in in for Urban Meyer and in an offense that required the quarterback to run a lot of options things, and and that was his other strength that didn't seem to work out that way before he was injured. In Washington now with Ron Rivera there, I don't know if he's a fit for that offense as well. I was Kinda surprised that they. Were demoted. Dwayne askins and nab him active although they were saying that Haskins was sick had had a stomach bug spying at Jesus not really I think they just wanted to. Have a better and ready And an Allan Allan is what he is as we saw last last year in in. Carolina. And the problem is he doesn't have much arm strength and neither does Alex. Neither has Alex really and We didn't see anything. To suggest that that AH change and but I think that the main thing wasn't injury. As much as simply the layoff and getting back to the speed of the game, and that's going to take him a couple of weeks if he becomes the start. you know he it's not. It's not like he's been around the game for all that time he's been out it's it's two years where most of the time you spend rehabbing? And he's got to catch up with with a new system, a new coach and with the game itself. But you know one step at a time and I'm sure he's not. He's not going to be daunted by by what happened out there. If he gets sacked fewer than six times, he's probably in better position. In a position to run is much right and you know, and of course, having having done a super bowl with Alex Smith. Therefore, we're best buds. Nicest guys I've ever worked with. Present company excepted thanks buddy and. Just just really straightforward really honest about his own performances and his and his place in the game and I think probably a more talented quarterback than people realize. If he had gone into a better situation again, it's I keep saying it's hard to take quarterbacks out of the context should sit there in right well, if you flip back to dock and how He allowed in the right place in an injury to Roy mode dealt him a kind handed and he took that opportunity. It's a it's a great put spits. Career is always fascinates me because if the number one overall pick look at what he's achieved and lost the latest chapter in that, he's had a ten plus years atop he's been as you said, consummate pro instrumental in in Muhoza development in a homesites. Him as is a major major reason why he's reached the levels that that that he has and yet in many respects he's. Kind of player many people's eyes in an abject failure and it's All about perspective, right? I. Look at what is achieved and it's Hugely. Successful individual but yet he's that's really true. You know and I think he played better in San Francisco than you know than than the way he he he left town guests. They just wanted to go in a in direction with might think the big thing was down was downfield arm. But yeah perception when you're number one pick overall the perception is you're supposed to be a superstar, right? When you know with quarterbacks, superstardom comes and goes year by year, and there's very few who managed to stay in that position. On a regular basis and a lot of that involves winning I think Tom Brady in different context over the years would be you know. If. He had come into a starting job, which again, like you were saying, you know Brady got to his starting point part. By injury drew bledsoe. Had he been on another team that you know it was less able to take advantage of him and his his biggest skill? I. Keep saying to people I mean he's he's a great quarterback. All. Around. But his greatest skill was his adaptability. You didn't there was no brady style of game like there was a Peyton manning style of play. Brady was able to adapt to whatever Game Plan Gate Bill Belichick came up with and those things changed week by week not season by season like most teams do. And that was his big. That was his biggest strength. But he had if he had played his whole career in Tampa, he wouldn't have played his whole career. DAPI would been Tampa and then he would have been cut or traded news and picked up somewhere else you know. and. He might not have gotten into a starting job with any team given that he was a fifth round draft pick. So it really is a fragile kind of balance that we have. When we evaluate quarterbacks game specific mother, The Washington a game. Business as usual for the rams after that kind of spluttering. scrappy performance against the giants last week McVeigh dialing up some some really a place. Once again, the way Gerald ever thought was was particular interesting. In lots of ways, mismatch central, and it felt like L. A. had. Got Their Mojo back offensively one start that really stood out the I'd like you to elaborate on one, hundred, sixty, nine yards after the catch the rams had yesterday against Washington. So what does that tell you about this offense that that that point zero mcvay offense that that he's building? Yeah and that's what the offense is designed to do. Similar in a way to to what San Francisco does. The big thing they want is those yards after the catch Tang since the super bowl game in particular that they needed to involve their tight ends more. Obviously they you know this was specific against Washington because Washington's big strength is up front and bright and I thought it was fascinating this game that they only sack off once but the rams got eight sacks. So all those first round picks up front there for Washington didn't really deliver what they're supposed to do. which would you deal Aaron? Donald for all those first round picks. Donald has been a beast the last couple of weeks. Hasni I'm I'm not sure if if you know if it was something in the media that sparked him up or something that I remember, one of the mouth clouds was saying darnold wasn't that good he was all reputation. and. No performance but I, he's become relatively unblock Qabail. Certainly by one guy, it's a real Brahmin again, if you go back to that Super Bowl one of the keys of the New England's win in the Super Bowl was that they were able to man block darnold Joe Tony Basically man blocked him and and there was a great moment toward the end of the game were darnold was. Donald was saying You know that's on me I. You know I I was only double teaming mea I should have got that too that you know and These. Top. Yeah. Yeah and it was great but. I thought you know doing this without they got camakers back, which made a difference to them. Certainly. Having someone who can run with a little bit more explosiveness than Malcolm, Brown or even Henderson Anderson editor had a fairly good game. He's well is that again that's I mean they've got they've got depth Thapa acres. Yeah. Tell me we thought about acres because he's Highly, touted rookie, we'll talk more about yeah he he's just. A bit more explosiveness than than Henderson does Anderson's kind of easily stopped on runs. and. When you watch highlights, you'll see Anderson get one or two big gains, which is great. And he's okay as a receivers well, the touchdown running a touchdown receiving but but I think acres gives kind of slash thing sort of like a Kareem hunt more of a Kareem Hunt type. Then, those guys in a more of a girly what they what they used to get from. Todd Gurley they. The interesting thing was they came three yards away. From quadrupling Washington's offense which I don't think I've ever seen before not that I looked at that stat. Just to be doing it. They had four hundred, twenty, nine yards of offense in Washington that only one, hundred eight. So. Four thirty two and they've quadrupled Washington's offense. It's hard to lose a game if you if you can do that. But. You know they played on the East Coast in Buffalo and they they had a bad start and then they came back from two thousand, eight, three down and nearly won that game. But for Josh Allen and for that contested into five yet. And if they had won that game, they'd be undefeated and that would have been you know people would be talking about that. Ask in the same way as the Patriots Twenty eight three comeback would have been, it would have been the great comeback. Of the season. So yeah, I just think all around the rams do seem to have a bit of that Mo jo back. It's great to see Robert Woods catch long passes because that's kind of what? They, you know they're they're they are missing deep threat that they had with brandin cooks who had a really good game for Houston. I one of the of the season about time. But you know. Woods Cup and a third receiver WHO's a deep threat is is a lot different than woods cup and a third receiver who's a similar kind of Intermediate. Guy, like Reynolds is, for example. Now, you bet to the twenty eighth comeback let's move on to Atlanta because, of course, the Falcons, the wrong end of that and guest that was the beginning of the end ready wasn't for third. Thank Quinton and Thomas. Dmitrov the GM both who've on the never could never managed to rebound from a nice surprise they. It's really strange that a team can you know come back from a super bowl being in the super bowl and the we know super bowl losing teams often have less successful seasons the next year, but to go on that kind of a run. Consistently into into burn. So many leads is really strange. This to me was the hardest game to pick the weak. Vacillating Between Carolina and Atlanta because I do like a lot of the things that Caroline is doing and Mike Davis Week by week sort of steps more into that Christian McCaffrey. Is Fascinating the way that he is. Obviously know. Precisely the same level, but not far off. Yeah and nobody would have thought that you know Mike Davis was kind of look at it as a as a not a power runner. But it kind of inside run hard runner and teams to let him go because they didn't think he had that kind of all round, but he had A. One hundred and fifty yards of total total offense last week. And when I saw Todd Gurley running certainly his best game of the season. Not, quite running todd Gurley of old but. But not that far off. Yeah I thought. Okay. This is this is why in the end I picked Atlanta straight up. But also Julio as well I guess you depict him thinking Julio GonNa GonNa see top yeah and that was part of it too and that's a huge loss for them but I thought okay. They're going to get some of that back now some of that offensive prowess put. It just seemed like every time. They had a chance to get back in that game and Carolina had a halftime lead. Something would go wrong and Matt Ryan was not making plays. Which I think is something you can kind of say. Season long or maybe even longer that Matt Ryan. Somehow. As took that took that loss personally. I thought. That the weaknesses that were revealed say and in Atlanta's game. And the loss of Shanahan is an offensive coordinator. I think the two things that go along with this Atlanta demise and and the third one would be the failure of of Dan Quinn to consistently played defense the way they did that year, which was not great, but it was good enough with a high powered offense right to survive. And yes, they had injuries bit lucky with injury and again Jones was heard county new Neil. In The year after the Super Bowl so so that that hurt them but but basically, he keeps trying to build a Seattle style defense without the. Without the same ingredients that make Seattle's. So. So effective, which which is partly pass rushes in his partly that big physical secondary can you make connections there with is too simplistic in tripe but in the same way that a lot of Bene- chick tenants me simplistic and. Appreciate it on a Monday morning. Defy the. Left tennis and tried to do the same thing tried to magic up the recipe elsewhere. Add An did you feel that Quinn is maybe try try to do that and could call p that Carole Caldwell with Jacksonville. Salah. San Francisco. To an extent. Comes from from Seattle and. It's really hard to recreate. Even Seattle's had trouble doing show since the since the Legion a book because it was a really, it was a really good combination of of players fit the system perfectly, and it's hard to to recapitulate that. Once you start losing those players or you try to recreate it and to. Build your system. Around. The personnel you've got and to an extent teams have caught on to a lot of the things that's Seattle likes to do with bringing down that that strong strong safety with with the corners playing press. In effect pressman on the on the outside. But everybody in the League plays that cyst that. Way Of, defending, I've talked about this for a couple of years now. Where you don't, you don't have to run step for step with the receiver up the sideline. What you do is you run behind him and when he turns around and puts his hands up, you start slapping away at his arms. You know you you Pau atom basically and you get away with it because they won't call it because they don't stay. You're not gaining an unfair advantage by doing that. But that's that's the way most coverages now and it's taught by most teams. To play the is to play the hands and not look back for the ball. Not play the ball. If you're in that position especially when you're in man not zone coverage. By the Falcons, our own five with defeat. That's the first time they've gone by since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven Quinn trapeze surprised that they cleaned house and both. Not totally although I always think it's hard to fire. Your GM is to fire your coach depending on what you've got lined up because presumably the guys in the front office aren't in conflict with your GM philosophy. Wise. So so you're kind of you know you're kind of in the same position but. What this means is they start over next year with a new style of play depending on WHO's made GM. And therefore a rebuild of a team. You know I would not even think it's outside the realm of possibility that you know the Matt Ryan would be on his last. Year yeah, he's steady. Hands on on I suspect they'll go for a an offensive minded coach who might have a Reputation of quarterback was whisperer, which means which means in a nightmare scenario they stay higher adam gays when he gets fired. I wouldn't wish that on anyone even in Atlanta. Let's talk about that includes outside Seattle improved two to five. Should Mike Zimmer first question Mike Mike Zimmer have taken the chip shot field goal well, that's. The Game Dan. That's what everyone's asking and. Insight, it's an. Well I would have made it in A. Two Point Conversion to tie the game it wouldn't have closed the game out. I probably I probably would have kicked. Feel. But I can see why wise Zimmer did it. Because the ball was was at the six yard line. And therefore, they have longer to come up. So he so he was in effect plane to win if Madison gets that I down then they they use up most of the rest of the clock because it was right at the two minute warning. And the game's over. So I think it was worth that in terms of risk and reward I actually thought on first glance that Madison it made it. But he did get driven back pretty pretty promptly but seven guys. So I can, I can understand why that That wasn't given. I thought again, this was a game where we're Seattle might have caught a couple of breaks but I'm not sure that both of those kirk cousins fumbles. Were fumbles you know where? They weren't incomplete incomplete passes. But. Seattle was playing swarming. Again when the game breaks down Russell Wilson when it's fourth fourth quarter, you're playing playground foot Paul. And Decay Metcalf and lock. It are both very good at that. You know metcalf in particular has been exactly what they drafted him to be. As to what? He went down to the second round because people said Oh, we can't run bass patterns. Well, he's learned to run better pass patterns than he did in college, but he's also still what he wasn't college, which is amazing. Physical. I can win win fifty fifty who can beat people with speed who can beat them with strength. So he he is what he wants. You know listen talks about him saying he could be one of the game's all time. Great receivers look at that final drive, right so they as you said, it was less than two minutes ago woman at fifty seven to nine, thousand, four yards is how? They drove there was fourth in. Go where he FIS into cough, which was the six. Of The plays on that that went to Mechkov easy one of those players might make cough that would elevate. A superb quarterback would make off, elevate an average and indifferent quarterback as well as you that I'm not sure because a again that's still it still isn't his strength. If you put him in a highly pattern. I mean if you put him on on like San Francisco and you just told them run run those crosses and drags that San Francisco running probably be how awesome. Yards after the catch, but he he fits that kind of. Breakdown game that they always wind up playing in the fourth quarter and they don't play a sort of structured pass offense in the same sense, they really want to be a running team. and. Then make big plays downfield. So he's perfect for that in some offenses I think he might well be wasted. Or possibly possibly overlooked the NFL being being a funny thing. But put him on Minnesota and. You would probably Minnesota desperately needs someone to take the pressure off Adam feeling. And you know that that was what they had such a good pairing with with him and digs because digs digs isn't really that deep deep threat, but he can do it. And he can run the crosses he can run the short patterns you know and feeling isn't really that deep pattern that the threat. But if he's single covered, he can do it they. Jefferson. Is that player though that's what they're hoping. Yeah. But he's he's going to take a little bit of time I think. To come along. With cookout. MINNESOTA'S GONNA. Have a serious problem now. Seattle in that game was over seven on third down. I'm keeping track of this over the season just to. Third Down doesn't really tell you much. I mean I can tell you some things in retrospect. And they were two for two on fourth down which makes them to for nine on conversions. Okay. And only being in third down seven times is good in a in a sense but you know. Minnesota had forty minutes almost forty minutes of possession in that game. So was almost two to one. Well, that was I mean the game, the ground game go you mentioned going out but they still kept it going with with Matson coming in and that was against a hoax runty as pretty stingy. Yeah. You know in the fourth quarter I thought Seattle was gassed. You know because. Boone even had a couple of runs. In in that last drive that Madison did, which is even crazier that you think that they couldn't convert short on third or fourth down. Inside. The in red area. And you know may maybe it's playcalling you have to try something different but you know I just had the feeling that no, they didn't want to put the ball in kirks hands. In that situation and what receiver were they going to go to apart from Phelan, you know unless they could get Rudolph Wide Open somehow you know which is probably what I would have tried. To be honest play action tight end blocking down and then releasing out but. It was going to be tough. I thought Minnesota were really hard done by right. They couldn't put out what I'm Mike Yeah they're essentially done right or are they look it up performance in? Over emphasizing, no one else has run on Seattle. The way I mean if you told me that Minnesota, even like they are and I wasn't predicting Minnesota to be this is Green Bay's division. But. Minnesota's won four in the bears are for in one. And the bears are kind of put. Defensively, Minnesota usually is. In other words, there are really good defensive team and and they can probably you know they can probably get to the playoffs with. This as I wrote on Friday you know this this kind of Kyle. Orton X. Grossman style quarterbacking Yep because I'm not convinced that they're actually better than that. You know at quarterback being Minnesota's pretty much out of the running. Unless, as you said Jefferson steps up. Now that they're going to, Madison's going to be the number one and running back I don't think Madison's the receiver Cook is and. I think they're going to have they're going to have more problems going along and Seattle. They've been lucky to be five at O. The couple of Lucky lucky wins. That's how you get there. You know that's that's the run the run of the green go your way so. Well, let's talk raiders next. Yes I with. Rooting for the raiders. Twenty Twelve Derek said Mike. It's about time. I've had a lot of painful memories in this place I wonder what your memories of. The the interesting graphic they put up was was the chiefs who twenty, eight and three. Against the rest of their division everybody always winds about the Patriots and there. That's pretty impressive since MOMS MOMS was there. GETS STATE JON GRUDEN. I. Think he played this game well. Balanced. Book running with Jacobs and car taking shots and too big drives as well, and we saw this with the Patriots and Bene- checks against the with just a lot of clock eating drives the first drive eleven play six minutes. They had that big one in the third as well, which was eight minutes through a Jacobs touchdown drive I think gruden called a good game here. I think Paul Guenther called a good game. On defense more than. But Yeah I, mean that's the kind of game he wants to play. He wants to be a running a run first team and taking the shots and they ran the ball. Over thirty times. I think the to tailbacks had thirty between them and so that that was that was part of the east part of this recipe for success. And I agree they watched what the Patriots had done. And? The chiefs of. I hesitate to say this I harp on this quite a bit. But last year I thought they had again like Seattle this year they had a couple of really good breaks in each of their big wins at the end of the season, the Patriots, and then in the super. Bowl. which is not to take away from the amazing comeback against Houston. Or for the fact that they won those those two games in the end but they didn't look that good against the Patriots. Last week and I'm sure it raiders looked at that and said, look this is a team that if we do things right we can beat and they kept the ball on the ground rugs stepped up. Another rookie receiver. Somewhere in Heaven Al Davis watching that performance for example. Hugo Long. And it was like. Whoever was doing the commentary said you know he was passed the defensive back before the defensive back and even turned. And even got out of a shifts which hips so you know so that so that was how does your theory about the Fed me work against teddy rugs third but he give them snakes. What about trails mullins Mike I. Mean because this was the key super, well saying. We beat the chiefs or a recipe to beat the chiefs is established the ground game dominate possession and make sure you got a lot of speed. In Your backfield in your secretary to to match up with them. But again, the latter pointed is fundamentally predicated on having that personnel trayvon mullins was CPAP he is he one of those players is emerging is The Best Coders in the League? Do you think? Yeah, I think what Las Vegas did really well was to. Penetrate from the outside in. And for the most part, keep mahomes in the pocket. He had a couple of instances including the touchdown run where he didn't. But but you saw them do a really good job of of controlling him. You know while he was running and not give him easy easy throws or easy alleys to. A Vision when he was running and at the same time, they played kind of inside out from the linebackers. So that Kwiatkoski you know was was able to to defend a bit. They kept most of it in front of the net they were lucky obviously that. Touchdown called back I'm what was probably ask. All weekend. From mahomes. To heal best, throw and catch. But Assembly is the one guy there with the referees apparently are allowed to call. Chiefs. While everybody else is too while Eric Fisher is bulldog head-knocking guys along the line of scrimmage. Yeah I mean it's funny because again we had this anomaly between a couple of games with a lot of flags a couple of games with imbalanced ones. And a couple of games with hardly any flags. And there was I saw an interesting pre-game with Mike Pereira? Basically saying, yeah, we're not calling anything but I like that game because it's offenses are rolling. What wants to see touch does it and I'm thinking to myself. Well, if you do that, then why don't we just go to the arena league rules? Where you can only play you can only lineup directly on the linemen you can't blitz anybody and you can't stunt or twist anybody. You just have to play straight up one on one pass rush you know or or have everybody count to three. Mississippi like. Football you know if that's what you want. And then they call these ticky tack. Fred Warner ticky tack roughing the Passer Call S. Well, the top of his helmet might have grazed his Lonsdale. Chin Strap. Something bad and I. Consistency Yeah I was GONNA say. CAL talking about officials be inconsistent but on the on the roughing the pasta as well. The when it's so clear demonstrable that plays a there's nothing been dictated. There's nothing intentional. Not Any suggestion that the movie their body to avoid it, and that's still giving us that drives you. That was the one in the Patriots game where they called it on. Mahomes where the guy is is I he's GonNa called for a forward horse cocker. Because he's Really had mahomes around the neck from the front and trying to pull them forward back to him to keep him up on his feet. was going down. He knew what was going on? So. I thought the raiders were you know were really brilliant. There was a moment in the game where they might have been the interception that car through where you can see great gruden kind of going. David car you know on his mask Ericka. David cars well okay, yeah. Corey. But. I thought the cars passed to renfrew. was probably the play of the game. Apart from the one that was called back the the moment Alarms Hill. Because, I just thought he he he showed patience. He avoided the avoided the rush and he's still got the ball in to to renfrew wouldn't have been open. Had He not been able to do that in angled knocking bruins hat off. Through that little swing in ingles to get a first down and and brilliant Ataman put his head. and knocked. Off and wasn't called obviously because he's the the run urban bruin had that good interception he was also A. Tough red. We we we chatted to opening night if I remember rightly, all all. Producers with me on that one. Yeah. I was could Chaz is a smart cookie nine point seven he's a little less smart today he was. Yeah. Tomorrow he'll be back to normal nine point seven yards was the average depth to target for for car. That's the highest he's posted on the group. So looking. That probably retains him because everybody says he can't throw deep and you can't. He can't throw long and you know. The ability to connect deep is not necessarily the ability to throw fifty yards as we saw with rugs it's you know it's to see where the throw is and get the ball there. So the receiver can take advantage of it. Don't have to have. A mahomes. I'm yeah, it'd be. Effective. You won't be as great but but you can still be effective. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good point. The other thing is you talk about Gruden and How he was behaving and what he was saying. We listen we think he was saying on the sidelines times at least a couple of times with car and he just. Mike is your money more and more of Tony D'Amato. Really, ethics I think he's That'd be quite a textbook gruden retro throwback as well but. Tokyo looked like it was Pacheta to Jamie Foxx in and. Really reminded me of that. Yeah And I. Think Gruden is running that reputation of of of quarterback whisperer and no offensive guru and all. That kind of stuff and and sometimes I think it actually gets in the way of of effective coaching. I think he's probably cars probably on a relatively short leash in some ways has been sick from the starts I know and it's funny because they're committed to him and you know and probably the. The negative not. is counter productive in some ways he reminds me a little bit of Kirk cousins in Washington. In that no matter how well he plays he never seems to get the credit. And whenever they lose he gets the blame. Ya. That's a great show like him better. But that's another story. All right. Speaking of stories. That's move on. We're GONNA. Take the browns seriously shortly own yes. Indeed I like I said I had them to win that game. They were I don't know what the final lion was but at the point, the point I looked at it, it was they were getting a point and a half. On they were still dog home dogs that which I thought was strange because good as as in defense is like we talked about the top of the show. Because that was what I'm talking, Holly. Before had rivers has limitations you especially now you don't have to really game plan for rivers and the culture of Short are short man on offense without Marlin Mac they're, and they're still trying to find a way of putting those receivers together. And I thought the browns. Their defense was primarily based on pass rush, which is not a bad thing with rivers since he's not particularly the most mobile guy. Although, he still you can make some time for himself in the pocket, but you know. Right now Taylor's not a marlon kind of back. WHO's his second receiver after after T Y Hilton who doesn't really seem to be as I receiver either The big. Johnson is second strength in a tight end IDA and it's worth pointing out the Costanza was out which people keep it on his issue and Moscow it definitely with Garrett that was why one of the reasons why they were keying on on pass rush as they're as they're attacking. Way. Indy, play really good defense you know and that that score I took the under on that game was I said. It was a it turned out being a fifty five point game, but seven points are running Harrison's. Pick six which rivers never should have thrown. Unless he had an arm transplant during the week and Cassandra moms are. At an seven more was Isaiah Rogers, kickoff return, which was a thing of beauty and somebody was saying you know is that I'm glad we're legislating kickoff returns out of the game because I really hate watching hundred one yard kickoff. So, uninteresting as as plays you know. How seriously taking Cleveland Mike. Pretty seriously. I would like I would take them very seriously. If if Nick Chug was still playing. They said somewhere else last week I'm still not sold on Baker. Mayfield think Mayfield has to be handled very carefully and he can make plays within a certain framework but not within another. So if you can contained Baker Mayfield in the pocket, you have a better chance against them. You know and even as it was landry and Odell had nine catches but we're targeted eighteen times and hooper had five catches him was targeted ten times writing three leading receivers were basically fifty percent. With with with Baker and that could be a problem going on the fact that they can run the ball and their offensive line is solid enough there tackles. Can Keep Mayfield alive and the inside three is really good. That's going to help them alive because they had thirty five minutes a possession against what is a pretty good defense. And was actually statistically was the number one defense in the league. So that, you know if you have thirty five minutes of possession and you only get two penalties and you know you can go at Tibetan and fifty percent on third down, you ought to be able to win a lot of games and they'll do that. Now they're in a tough division that's their biggest problem and it was the start of the air when people were pumping the browns. Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh looked okay. Baltimore had an easy time with Cincinnati and I think Pittsburgh had a harder time with the eagles and they probably should have. But the eagles, the eagles have their strength is pass rush band. The Eagles problem is the number. One receiver right now is Travis Fordham and I liked Travis Fogel I remember popping him when he came out for for the draft but but he's no one's number one receiver. He's a complimentary kind of guy and he played really well and Wentz found him really well, but they're not going to get far. You know with that kind of receiving core. That is a good pot Mike because he was a sixth round from. Detroit. Detroit yes so Deep dive is cost and it's going to be one of those that everybody picks up on the fancy waiver wire. He's well, it's it's it's worth the Shi-. Humor Greg Ward Fat Ted of the team court for fifty two yards and a touchdown which on most days would have made in the star receiver in the game. But this wasn't most as of course Klay Cirque Lace Chase Klay Boo Had IT extraordinary performance four touchdowns four steelers against the eagles. Another wide receiver for the Pittsburgh steelers in an organization that just seems to shut out. A league receivers like that going out of fashion. So Klay pull the latest name to add to that illustrious list over the last ten or so years. Yeah. And you know that that was big for them that he did step up 'cause Deonte Johnson got hurt. I don't know what the prognosis long term prognosis for him, but they will need him but he's a different kind of receiver. Klay Paul physically looks a lot like a Mohamed Sanu right but I think he's got better speed. And they used him in in a couple of different ways and he delivered each time, he now goes into the discussion of WHO's the greatest Canadian football player ever in the NFL. About to be sort a London on whether you count Bronco Gerski who was born in Canada but usually is in. Counted as a Canadian previously it was either Dr. Do Varney hardeep. From the chiefs or Nate Burleson of course, they boatswain yeah. Who's WHO's Canadian? You had John Ryan the Punter. Mike. Vander Jack. You know the the placekicker who who were Canadians and there was the guy from McGill University. WHO's a long snapper? Looser. The it was JPL l. p.. On peer or something like that. But you know there weren't that many Canadian born guys who've who've had those kinds of those kind of career. So Klay Pool could become a living legend north of the border and. Know you don't have many guys who get four touchdowns in a game as a rookie they were going through list after list you know of the rookies have done it the because you've done it since the super bowl rookie wide receivers who've done ad. But it was a great. It was a great performance which they needed to beat Philadelphia Yeah they did it was as you alluded to earlier. I was minute maybe it should have been on paper. Own you mentioned rugs earlier on CD Lamb Jefferson didn't step up yesterday but had some impressive starts t higgins as well the. Rookie wide receivers when this is a position that historically it's difficult to make an immediate impact. and. I think that's changing a bit and realize changing is that pass routes routes are changing because the offenses are going more toward that college spread thing you have more, you have more man to man matchups for the receiver to win. When you go back to the origins of those spread offenses, they were developed in colleges that were generally outmanned by their opposition. Lesser Powers Within major conferences, smaller colleges, playing bigger ones because it gave them a chance. To get one or two playmakers and get them the ball you know and spread things out and and lessen the advantage the bigger teams had, and as those come in to the NFL more and more receivers have less kind of reading of defense to do. The hardest part for college receiver coming into the NFL is reading defenses where you have roots that you run one way against man and another way against zone. The second hardest thing is that you don't have many really bad defensive backs that you're running against because every teams got usually guys who were top quality college players, the jets. Yeah. Good Point. But you know we had six wide receivers in the first round. I think it was thirteen in the first two rounds. The thirteenth was Denzel mims going to the jets. Of, course hasn't made any. There's been a couple of been hurt but you know you mentioned some of the names rugs stepped up this week. Lamb obviously is playing you know like a number one guy in fact, Amari Cooper is kind of their number three guy now. Him and Gallup. ALATHEA. Stalking Oh. In the Baruch. Yeah, Klay Pool obviously. Chenault had had. Seven catches for. This couple of guys who've been hurt I looks good for San, Francisco. He looks like a really good fit for that offense and then you even got guys further down Gabriel. Davis for Buffalo. has played really well, and he was a fourth round pick and do Rene in Baltimore. Who does does a lot of things for them and my favorite guy? Actually I think he was a fifth row Quinton safest simply because of his name. Did. You see what he? Says around the states kind of like. It does kind of Darius what's his name in Indianapolis? When makes a play? You cannot be Darius. The one other thing I just mentioned I may because I mentioned Baltimore just reminded me in an interesting anomaly for the Ravens was that they had five different defensive backs get sacks against. Cincinnati. Wow which. Again this is one of those where someone with a bigger computer that I have to go back instead if that's the first time that's ever happened to the NFL. Well, let's find out. So I, listen to the show Mike is calling to action this if. That up we'll talk about on the show later on this and I wish I had one of those big mainframe computers at the NFL has which they're using now to figure out the schedule. For. that. Degree Mit as well to boot. So let's try work it out. So let's start with the easy stuff the broncos Patriots, game. Moved to United State seven other Games have been affected. so far. So it gets interesting the chiefs at bills. Week? Six game moves from Thursday. To Monday October nineteenth basis and now that's a huge. That's a huge one for the chiefs. that. Rather, than having to travel to buffalo on a short week. They now travel the buffalo on a long week. and. That's going to make a whole number of all the games that have been switched I. think that's the one that you know shows the most effect but but in reality you know this is only temporary. Were basically playing whack a mole here. And we have no idea of which you know which teams are going to register more infections and register you know more more days out of practice and player losses. It's really we're incapable of predicting this. The League's incapable predicting now I know they're. They're what they're doing is trying desperately to keep the season going on the tracks. What's more likely think an extension to the season or a complete break from the season well, currently they're talking they have a week in reserve they've sort of made plans to. Use Week eighteen to play games that need to be made up, and they obviously wouldn't play games that wouldn't affect the schedules and and heard talk that you know if they did affect the schedules were unable to make a balanced schedule. David simply go and winning percentage. And anomalies like the chiefs getting a break on on the Monday night going from Thursday to Monday night that you just have to live with that. You know if you if you miss a game against the jets and you and you wind up having to play a game against the steelers or whatever you just have to live with that, which is which is fair. Enough given the situation it's a situation I wouldn't want to be in. Because there's there's no good way of handling it. So Mike Watkinson in the playoffs. Able that far and be if we have a game and on the Thursday before the Saturday Game Maugham's goes down with superstar goes down with Kobe. Is it just blend the brakes and? I think that's going to have to be the first. The first thing is, is that those are the breaks. It's when unless a large enough number. Go down. Are infected so that the team couldn't play or couldn't safely play or you were in danger of you know spreading the infection or something like that. You'd have to play I suspect. Once you reach that situation you're in a forfeit situation. Yeah. We're if the team can't play can't produce enough players. To play or have you know such a infection say has spread to the coaches and Cillari staff and stuff like that. You'd be like what people are talking about with Tennessee right now just four hundred in the game which is. which is tough. In most cases although in the Tennessee case, they're pointing to this private workout that the players had, which is which apparently is where the infection was spread. Since they broke the lockdown rule soon or the whatever the whatever you call the rules then a forfeit could be appropriate to reach the playoff i. think it just has to be. Asked to be what it is. And hopefully, we get that far but you know you're starting to hear more and more players talking about not. Taking protection seriously enough that the league and the Players Association both are taking protection seriously enough, and I think we're probably going to have a revamping of the scheduling because as we've seen in the US even in the presidential thing. Next. Day testing doesn't really tell you much when you've got incubation period of you know two to five days before you test positive. and. You know and then. Who knows how much longer afterwards right mice might we're out of time brilliant stuff is ever. Go, you'll patch mentioned early stuff you writing about waking listeners go to it's W. W. W. Patreon.com FM, t. e Mike. Fm T, know Mike Carlson. WWW pacture dot com. FORWARD SLASH BY CARLSON FM T. I've also got some stuff up on media not much of which is football but some of it's pretty interesting anyway. 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The Nat Coombs Show: Edge Rush #11

The Nat Coombs Show

53:49 min | 8 months ago

The Nat Coombs Show: Edge Rush #11

"Hello and welcome to the net cume. Show ed rush on. Espn in association. Way the bat fred. not combs per juicer. All in the house. Let's start with some controversial news. Ali that as recently as this morning on mike carlson legendary. Nfl capable cost. Of course a regular on the show. Can you to what or who this very morning. Yeah so workup. Thursday morning and the exact message i received was have you watched made chelsea really because i was watching. I saw clip on social media which is a complete lie. We know that he's made in chelsea. Yeah exactly how a made in chelsea all reality. Tv carlson is a big fan of that he was what made and chelsea chelsea is social media compatible to the car to sam which he said no offense but i took complete defense to well. I mean number of radiogenic points fussy. Go one hundred percent bang on. The money might call. I stumbled across this onto. Its might a massive m. i c. Fan sam show a little bit this or you know or is it. Maybe he was being complementary. You never know it's definitely this is definitely it. Is i think so. I don't think anyone wants to be compared to the carriage with chelsea realistic thing. That's beneficial for anyone or good for anyone's confidence but yeah well we keep it rolling. It's mark carlson. Has some bad takes has some good. Thanks let's just hope this one was about take. Yeah that's occasionally very rarely does have a bad take away from away from football until we get a made in chelsea cost. Member of the cost is on the show and then of course we lovable to the producing a yeah. Really fans. Not possible to three compared to actually. I'll tell you something. Massively i would suggest that you dig out. The jay cutler kristin cavallari reality series and find somebody on their random. Just pick up the first person you see the other of those two and say michael is watching the Whatever the seriously they jay cutler capillaries and your mommy of insert. Just throw it back for that. Grenade back out of dementia the real housewives of atlanta and find someone from a great big hats. All right. let's get down to business then. It is four team standing. Or how about that caught quite believe that it is almost two years since you and i and the gang in miami but we are here again we will know in what seventy two hours. Tom recording this. Who is going to be in super bowl. Fifty five to incredibly tough games to cover all kinds of different reasons. Let's get straight to it. Let's start with tampa bay buses green bay. Of course it is all about to the time. Great going out at once again. I bust out of interest. Nothing to do with the action gonna take nothing to do with the edge. But i'm curious as to your opinion on the perennial discussion of greatest of all time and specifically how important rings are in that conversation. Because i was on a show the other day i was asked this question context. Most people would agree. That rogers is the better all around athlete but brady of courses superhuman in terms of success. So wet rings factor for you. If roach is gonna put himself up to even close to the go chat. Does he have to land another one. Is it two more. Is it more than that. What's your take on it. Such an interesting debate. Because i think from an english perspective. We tend to put less emphasis on Championship zoll vitals. Or whatever you cooler in this country. Just because i think there's less it's not as special to win trophies because there are much more freely available in this country like there isn't just one championship that you can win. You could win several. And i think if you look at someone. Stephen gerald think people compare or people would think is one of the greatest midfielders full-time. He didn't win the premier league but he managed to win the champions league when the caught in spectacular fashion. So i think that's the reason why we accept. Fa cup much. It's a great tradition in history. As a west ham found. I would absolutely grabbed that with both hands west winning a cup not the same but point taken chap easily get there is there is on a level argue even even a high level turns into the league. So that's a really good point in america and i think this is where we have to sort of draw comparison for the point. I think is all about. Championships is all about rings. I think if you on a big fan of basketball as well the nba. As you know whenever. I watch sort of shaquille o'neal talking or any of the former players. All charles barkley. Who was an incredible player for the philadelphia. Seventy sixers and phoenix suns. All there ever gets brought up in the grand scheme of his career or in the context it career is how you never wanna ring ewing young. Exactly yeah there's several and john stockton several plans that you can look back on historically who definitely have their career tarnished by the fact they never want to ring and not. Gasoline is a major focus. And that's why. I would always have to lean towards brady just because he has beaten the fifth most and see teams in the playoffs despite the fact that he was playing in the afc pretty all of his career. So that means six of those wherein super bowl was which is absolutely incredible. I think you just as much as i think. I generally can be accepted orders. The best quarterback. I still think tom brady has to be. Because what in america is considered the peak and was considered. The most important in the primary objective is to win championships into win super bowls. And i honestly do think. I know davante adams came out earlier inside regardless of the rings. Rojas is to go and i think is it's a harsh pammy to measure people at because there's so much so much other things you have to put in context. Coaching oversee brady ballot. Check rojas mccarthy at the put them in the same sadly so as much as i think. It's incredibly harsh. Way of judging them. I think is the only way because of the way american sports is set up. It's water rumble on an on. And of course. I think this is particularly critical because it feels like green bay when you look at the context of the entire season the strongest team in the nfl. Now the strongest team in the nfl over. The course of the season doesn't always win often actually doesn't go on and win the super bowl so let's break this down going into this game. Tampa bay very much trending upwards generally going into this game as well. Even though the offense didn't really turn up against the saints brady didn't need to do. A huge amount in the air was very protective of the bull. they took care of business on the grab. I guess a lot of the reason why this line is closed. And all you'll you'll see that up but It is it is closer than maybe some people thought. It might be a few weeks back looking forward and projecting to potential championship. Games is what happened back earlier on in season right. So let's look at that. I relate defeat for green bay comprehensive for green bay by tampa bay. How important do you think that is in the bearing of this game bearing in mind. We've just seen the bucks. Take care of the saints and the saints. Shell out the bucks back in weeknight. Forget we won but back in week. Nine sir how much bearing you putting on that absolutely none at this point in time i have to say. I think those were to completely. I think situation that we saw there in is completely different. The one that we are going into this week it was by far and away. The packers offensive line performance. Ever since that day they have been probably one of the best if not the best offensive lines in football and rodgers really struggled under pressure that day they the buccaneers. Just blitzed him nonstop and he couldn't handle it. And since that day when facing the blitz he has thrown for fifteen touchdowns and only one interception and times that right and bacteria he's out so it's em- principle a depleted line and the rams couldn't get to him. Donna was banged up but as we talked about on the show earlier this week. One about hit no sacks right so this suggestion that the line is significantly diminished because of bacteria principal. Yes practice probably know right. I mean i think the the the rams will be with aaron donald at fifty percent. It's a pretty good litmus test dot degree of protection tells you everything needs to know about this packers offensive line. Yeah no definitely am. Also i think a lot of the questions that were being honest of green bay very much put into spotlight against the rams and they answered everything. All of the focus was on the secondary against aaron. Rodgers was against this defensive front against rogers and he owns it every question with a full full full. Stop on it. I mean he was absolutely brilliant. The hallway through davante adams the schemes. The mountain flow was writing for them. Allowed them to adams to get that spatial. Jalen ramsey score touchdowns have nine catches. I know you anyone. Sixty six yards but nine catches just showed the kind of separation. He was getting they utilize allen lazard a lot more in the passing game than they have in previous weeks. Because all the focus wasn't devante adams and potentially stopping about scranton getting in over the top which nearly one hundred yards and abc's school pretty much the game sealing touchdown i think green bay have options now. Everyone's always talked about the fact that aaron rodgers they didn't take a wide receiver in the draft. They took jordan love. I think it's been confirmed that he definitely utilize that for motivation throughout the season. And we've seen rojas mostly when his third mvp. And i don't see him stopping here. I don't think this box defense is anywhere. Close to what the rams defense was. And he's got options robert twenty nine hundred eleven touchdowns year about a scrambling has got the most yards after catch or the highest average of y'all dr catch of any receiver in the nfl island lozad could contribute when necessary not only in the receiving game also in the blocking game. He is very much ironwood. Just safety blanket fence is absolutely rolling. And i think it's gonna take something special for the tampa bay buccaneers to stop an rogers but at the same time even though vita is likely he might return which is huge for them for the grand scheme of things in terms of being able to create pressure on rogers. I think that green bag gonna quite comfortably school. Oh yeah and of course. We're gonna get into the weather credit before i get into this weather lead with iraq. I'm so sorry i'm so. Sorry i'm sorry. I'm just mistake. It's ridiculously called him. Really snotty both that exactly my job as a weather. Man is in the point. Ideally i think we should wheel the wheel aiden into yet. Maybe the the other shows during the week because you could just kind of drop in. Let's say that we could so we'll be talking next season. They were talking baz versus washington football team and at soldier field in december. We could break the game down. Mitch trubisky for your best quotes about just a project and we could throw to with the weather and you can give it an old ten fifteen second weather report. I like that. there's not a demotion podcast. Think about it you know. Espn galaxy espn talent. Rocks up on different shows kind of just kind of feel like it's an extra spot. No it's fine. Yeah it's just an extra strength but yeah it's just an even in the context of snow likely being present during this game i think when we loss orlando failed in snowy conditions we saw davante adams go absolutely off one hundred and forty two yards and three touchdowns against the titans which is incredible and just demonstrates the fight. I don't think the snow is going to be a problem. For aaron rodgers going into this game and i expect them to score at least twenty five points in this match up against box defense just because of the former in right now just because of how composed rojas tree in his garden. It's so true effortless and it just feels effortless and elect both teams that we said the bucks of the ground game lent on that more props to four net for coming back again and with ronald jones. That's an interesting tandem. But then that's equal radio when you look at. The pack is very grounded so our jobs is obviously the lead back there but the goal range. They've got that got committee rolling there as well. Five point eight yards per carry. They averaged against the rams rights and and if there was a someone described this perfectly the pack is against the rams offensive was such a patient performance. It was just totally composed and controlled as it has been for most season season. Almost most of the season it is interesting. I think what happens with adams. You mentioned the rams game and jalen ramsey only matching up against three times. I very clever and shrewd in the way. They moved him around. I necessarily have the same concern. They don't have walls. The tampa secondary is strong. It is not the same lightsout corner in the way that the rams do so be interesting to see what happens that a flip side of that the depot looking at one of my favorite subjects. Tom brady and the deep ball one of the stats. That jumped out at me. Brady averaging nine point. Oh eight yards per attempt attempt topping the league so okay misfire quite a few of them but that this suggestion that he doesn't have the people you can look at this in two ways. Does he have the arm strength. Quite clearly right all the looking to use that retain that in this new-look areas brady offense. Compared to last year absolutely has he misfired during chunk of the season on those absolutely as well but that has got more more fluent and as a result that is a really really key of this offense that green bay matches up well against zyrtec saunder sexually strong in terms of defending deep balls so even if tampa established a run. Which i think they will. I think they'll follow sutin. Look to get those two for nat jones tag teaming. Getting control of the clock they can. And then not dissimilar. Lisa a how the packers went about being the rams and then when when the shots there take it sucker punch so you know. I've been a big fan of brady. In the bucks'll season-long i'd certainly was vocal defender of them when everybody was piling early and saying how starting they looked at at this functional that they Seem to be with the stars and none of them gelling just saying look. Patients patients patients that they show be enough early season to to to make me think that it was gonna come together and absolute has so. I think i've been one of the staunchest support a box team feeling. It could go away and here. They are in the championship. Game doesn't surprise me and to your point. The defense really really composed and strong so a good balance site. I just think they met their match. I think this comes down to a very good team coming up against an excellent and certainly a quarterback who is in arguably the form of his career and is looking apps that you're rootless. I can't see any way pasta and roaches in this game. I think the pack is take an interesting. Let's get into the line. I think the line is currently green bay for three and a half on bet fred and the over under fifty one and a half. The line has been going back and forth from three and a half to three two and a half. I think that's what you're going to see in a game that is going to be as tightly contested as this or when you have two teams as is this a lot of people who might be some money coming in on tampa bay just purely based on the fact that it's tom brady and the playoffs and digits record in these situations think he's something like i think he's got one of the best records covering the spread is an on thing is north of seventy percents of the time he covers and i think the most interesting about this is that line. Three and a half. I think you'll see a lot of people seeing value on tampa bay. It's at three and a half. Whereas i think if it goes down two and a half. I think you'll see people piling in on green bay just because of the nature of that three point line and the likelihood that this is close i mean. Green bay is eleven. And just that on that line. That i mean that is we've always said and maybe this season it go look at it in slightly different times but three point line three Three point is essentially saying this is if this is played on a neutral on neutral ground right so out of neutral stadium so in other words if you played this soldier field than this this pick can't separate between these two teams and i'm not just by the study and he goes to two and a half even even most are just. Don't buy that. Was i do really really buy into this bucks team. And i think if the cosby dealt differently You know that and it was any other team. I think apart from green bay in this championship game i would be leaning towards tampa bay but the way rojas is playing the way it was so ruthless against the rams and particularly offensive against the rams respective what they managed to take care of defensively. I'd craze back against brady in the playoffs right now in my mind even crazy. It's back against rogers in this full in the playoffs. Do you think nat considering the all of the research statistics In the grand scheme of things. Lean towards green bay covering here and as greg brady said on all review earlier in the week. He said that he expected the line. Touched be bigger than this. The the green bay thing been by far and away the best team in the nfc this season. Do you think trap. No i think the way you talk about the money coming in the line switching. No i don't. I don't i think a lot of people are going to be king on that. Thirty eight ten defeat and leveraging that and maybe it is maybe issue side. Maybe that's where the trump is to over. Uh under under state under react to that. It's the game. We're going to get into this game on our review. She's probably about the time. You're listening to this. Greg rosenthal phoebe to joining us for that. We're going to get into that game. It's certainly a question. I'll ask greg rosenthal. How much should we concentrate on that because it was the as you said. The manner in which tampa bay beat them on the pro tamper in this game. You're saying well look they. They managed to create damage and work at ways of breaking through that line. Pressurizing rojas when no other front has had similar success and put together a complete game that bodes well for them to have a chance of doing it again. The flip side is that the the packers would have learned a lot about how that was done. Negate that right which is which is standard logic right. Yeah escape with teams. Walk each other out. They've got more. They've met each other and of being of being caught than once bitten twice shy. So and everything everything everything that we've seen since that game has lent towards seeing. That one is an anomaly. Realistically i mean that was the town's first game back after injury. He certainly didn't like you had the burst. The pasty has done or the sort of jilted the has done since the rest season which seen basically prove himself as a number one wide receiver. This year didn't have outta missold again. I said earlier on as an were just safety. Blanket both in terms of the passing game and in the polls protection game and the run blocking game he is he can do everything he is that utility player so i am yeah similarly to you. I just think that green bay are the better team here. And i expect them to cover the spread and i spent a lot of points and it's going to take something special from brady to counteract that conscious question. Who do you think has been brady's top receiver in the postseason haven't looked at. This tells a total yardage scotty miller subject. I'm just every every compensates. Love scotty miller. We don't just like every time miller played. Scotty miller a lot. They love ridiculous. He's a great player. But i'm i wou gosh there's a trick question. I know that the way the we talked about this on the podium with gregg the big names were shut down in the last game. I think what was the stock between grown could evans a golden average. They totalled sixty yards camera. Bright is prejudiced covered. Bright bright bright. He's talked receiver in the postseason with catches for one hundred thirty yards on eleven targets. So that's one area that you could potentially see the bay exploiting green. Bay's just interested hughley the flexibility on offense and how deep they are on offense. That's the thing. They just has an incredible amount of targets. So that's the only thing that you could see which again okay and this is why it's coming into next play. Which is the idea that if you look at it. I know it's going to be snowy. Conditions are going to be tough. But you go to quarterbacks. You told me earlier in the week. Not brady's very very comfortable playing an incredibly cold conditions from what you had to experience and folks sped before hoffa. Where's this game is earlier so it's fine. This is the game show. A fine worried about tom. Brady is going to be rolling so actually on that front. The over the over fifty one and a half. I just think that you've got to the best quarterbacks in the history of the game going head-to-head they haven't had the opportunity to do this march and it's on a massive stage. I think the weapons that got around them. I think that the offensive line that both teams have both of them being all the teams playing this weekend or in the top five offensive teams in the league. I think there's no doubt about that. And i think this is going to be an offensive weekend despite what the weather conditions are saying just because of how special these players on offense Over to i to fly back to ten minutes ago. Check the weather because there's a difference between frisky frozen tundra torrential snow but on the basis that it isn't ridiculously absurd cold weather. Then yeah the. I think they will. They will land blows. Dekalb brady out. I think the key thing here. It's a point that we've made a few times. I think on the show this season. Tom's of optics. Id think this box offense suffers from that in in the twenty twenty one that this style of offense arians runs although these devastating deep strikes when they land. that's no doubt it is highlight. Reel stuffing as you pointed out. They've got this. All star cast very different to the packers really when you look up near name for name and stock them up. It's davante adams and essentially an aaron jones and essentially everybody else right whereas this box side is is built with household names. Every way you look. But i think the i think they suffer in terms of criticism from the because they're not this jet sweep eight plays in motion before this not craziness because they are quite unreconstructed. In that way you know. And i think it's easy to underestimate them. I think a lot of teams a lot of fans other other people did underestimate them and quite clearly you look at where antonio brown whatever you feel about him being evacuated in the nfl or not on the field. He is getting stronger stronger every week. Grunk having beat the game for so long is getting stronger every week. Not not just in terms of what he's doing productivity offensively but all of its blocking assignments and stopped made such a complete tight end. He's getting stronger stronger for now is getting better and better so this is demonstrably offenses getting better times at the idea that they are gonna turn up. Their lights knocked out by green biting not buying. Now i think they keep close. They sutton the brady goes out swinging but in the end the composure and the clinical complete nature of this packers team. I can't see any way that a that. They lose this overstating it. But i would be very surprised if if they lose this and three two and a half all day three three and a half i still go with a couple of pro pets quickly for you just My biggest issue going i. This is the thing my biggest issue. This week is the fact that i can't lose money on mark andrews this any if there's any way the loophole in the system or aspect fred if compel mall kinds used to be mentioned in a broadcast or something just so i can continue my horrific run of backing mark andrews but once you see if try message to the bucks locker room see if off time. They'll just stick some tape on camera rates so really badly style andrews on his shirt's might get away without. This show is brought me a lot of clout now as you can imagine enough to be able to contact tampa tampa bay buccaneers and get them to break. The rules are not that far one person who let you just mentioned him on getting playoff lenny to have a big game leonard. Fournette packers allowed the most yards and the third highest yards per targets running backs in the passing game. This season and i think that has been established as any running back in the postseason so far as that receiving backfield absolutely expect. I expect tom brady to export much. C- cans. I'd like him to go for his over receiving outage. They also allowed a lot of yards. Tacoma because generally speaking on the ground as well and i think the the tampa bay of running game is actually probably just about superior to the rams one so i spent on a phone is potentially a big game overall and potentially score touchdown in with the balanced ronald jones. We'll see how they split. The carries that davante adams as i said i think when it comes to snow conditions. I think that rojas likes to go to his primary target as much as possible. I don't think adams realistically has anyone who can match up against him. Potentially colton davis on the other side by realized onto adams in this game and the other one is one area that we have seen tampa bay struggle. All season is against false receivers. No more evidence than against the chiefs who atari kill went for four thousand yards and nineteen touchdowns in first half in that game and close. Close you approximate those about georgia fifty yards and three touchdowns. I think i think that was more. So what the numbers were so. I expect markets discounting scuttling realistically was relatively quiet last week against the rams but that's largely because of how strong their secondary is an especially if all the focus is going to be on devante adams. He's definitely gonna get space. Now failed so i expect. Marcus valdes scantling to have a big game as well. When it comes to marcus scantling. The line is too big so all it takes. Is that one big player. that's why like it. yeah. I like that. I like with you. One hundred percent on atoms. I think he'd goes off. I think he goes what's going to cementing my Just to be clear just for the record box fans out there. Retract a retracted very quickly. When i said. I see eddie way. That is of course. Of course. you've got. Very serious sean. We've demonstrated wide on preview. Pot as well and greg rosenthal give you his ten cents on that too but yet rogers and the over i think are strong plays or the packers in the over to be precise from what about the afc championship game. Then let's start with where the line is hero so this has been fascinating because obviously the line is basically moving as the reports of mahomes injury release so has gone down to chiefs one and a half favorites. I think at one point it was even buffalo is like a picture because they thought it was going to be playing next week or they didn't actually have any confirmation that mahomes who's going to even be close to coming back but now the line. As it was reported that mahomes was a full participant practice despite still being a concussion. Protocol line has now moved on bedford to three and a half point favorites to kansas city. The over undistorted at fifty five and that has also moved down as a result of the fact that people are not one hundred percent. Sure that patrick mahomes is playing the not sure how many points chat handy can put up despite being arguably putting on one of the greatest final moments in playoff history. Well he did last week. Like i think he should be strong contention for the next president of the united states after he managed to show they say should be on the ticket. I think in four years. I love and he did. I love those stories. When he had a cup of coffee in at least a few riley and his career as a starter but never quite made the and then bounced into backups. Ville and you see these players so many of them right look at now god. Yeah he was talking six years ago and this guy and and those ones that have some kind of some kinda run particularly championship team right. So if you'll a backup like that and you team wins the super bowl. Byu can tell yourself while i was an instrumental paul of training. And we'd never get here. And i was helping you know this and that and you know i was i was pointing out stuff and seriousness. Collaborative effort liquor. That quarterback of backups. Do you have a role to play in terms of the success on the field even if on the field. But there's no doubt about it that if the chiefs gonna win the super bowl hair. I've so made up fatty. You'll be looking at reagan thinking. Yeah i on this. This re definitely definitely. I think maybe they should even be a statue and other nick. Foles peterson loved the idea. And if the she still go with it and the chief's fan of dogo sorted. I think we start the campaign right here on address. I think that's the. I love that idea to get something. Maybe we could commission that guy that did the statue of cristiano renaldo. Maybe we could see if he's if he's busy but we could selflessly donate a really awkwardly bates statue of chat headed to the cat city chiefs. Love the right so like the nfc championship game. You got to at least take a look. What and earlier in the season when the to with talking about my hoses fitness which is quite clearly instrumental into which way we think games although the key to find out how instrumental your is just move aside from homes for a minute the other player that i think not enough people necessary talking about. Maybe because it's looking less rather than more likely that they'll play. But clyde edwards helaire has been on course for a while in that game one hundred sixty one yards six point two yards per carry an icky deep dive a little bit more into their game plan. We're seeing a bit of a trend. Here in terms of how kansas city beat buffalo trend in in comparison said the first two teams have been talking about how they've got here buffalo in that game. We're gonna take out the deep threat we're going to. That's the first we're gonna. We're gonna make sure they don't let any strikes any mahomes to hill. Eighty one yard is knockout blows that they are want to do which means they played soft zone. They're playing to deep safeties right and that is a dangerous game to play against kansas city. Because as i mike told us on our show very recently you look the ballot game. Plan taking out patrick. Mahomes you take out calcium those those routes across the middle and those sweeping across the middle. That is one way can if you take out. The middle lanes can get difficult one of the ways right so if you're playing the way. Buffalo did against them. that's a risk but also of course. I picked up the run. Come on take on the ground. The perception being kansas city didn't have strong enough ground to necessarily do that. It was a went off. So i think the injury of is obviously the most important part of this game but a close second edwards helaire close. Thud close third watkins. Right right i think sammy. Watkins is a key component to this chiefs offense to take them to that next level of out him. That's still an elite offense and one of the offense in the league. But i think when they add sammy watkins into the mix. I think that's what takes them to announce the stratosphere like i think they're just sensational because of if you do try and take what they're likely to do. The bills used their linebackers in milan and florence. Takeaway kelsey yet. I think today whites was he going to be on tyreek hill which looks like a good match up in places for the bills. Of how great davis. Why is cornerback the same time. I don't think he's quick enough to stay atari. I think they're going to put more attention on him from the cornerbacks. And that's just going to open up the slots for sammy watkins to have a big game and i think especially what daylights do even if mahomes seventy five percent or fifty percent of whatever he is when he does play author does play. They are going to want to protect him as much as they can. Which is going to lead to sort of more quick throws down the middle on throws shorter gains. And i think that's why sammy watkins will come into his naturally by a pivotal role in this game. And of course we love a return game. We love. He's got reason doesn't come against the bills. Yeah exactly it's going to be entertaining. So that's another one. The injury report. Let's for the county chiefs folks all now. I want to get the latest on. The state is formula. We're recording this for the record thursday afternoon you mentioned matt milano annot you'll love a stop in fact more than that you are professorial when it comes to stats as we all season. Long straight off the record pretty much straight through on the obviously getting some kind of sleet A bit of rest occasionally effort. Some fresh at all of us doing is walking through stats. Twenty four seven just day to day to everybody. So he's going to chuck on the the prop open Mentioned lotta and serious studying. He was missing the game right. Group crucial crucial return for him for the reasons you eruditely outlined but the bills at twelve and when matt milano plays twelve and when matt milano plays right so just take that take that step and also we're looking at that also. Looking at the game they played earlier. In the season the bulls were bind up left right and center. I think that's one in the same way. I don't think you can take too much into consideration from the match. Matchup between the bucks and the packers. I don't think you can look at the game. We saw between the bills and the chiefs and take too much going into this one either realistically. So mahomes we think is gonna play right. I'd be amazed at times. Didn't play yeah. i'll be of mahomes. Didn't play so sammy. Watkins is with limited practice on wednesday. Thursday hasn't come out yet so again could be game time. Decision similar edwards helaire limited practice. I like the chances of both plan just because it is the playoffs and like incredibly keen to get out on the failed but the other two injury. Actually this week is probably one of the most interesting and important aspects of this game. The other two players are limited practice on wednesday or rashad fenton and bushrod breeland two cornerbacks. They're going against one of the best policy teams in the league. Full stop brilliant on two of the top cornerbacks. Who's been in brilliant form this season nor coincidence that we had to him. I discovered of just saying that nobody was really that it should talk. Show bring the. We spent a long time with him and his career is just this ever since this shows book to just throwing that out there as well great point i mean undoubtedly and in particular i guess because the the weekly that everybody has indelibly inc on their brain. Now whatever you think about the kansas city defense. They can't stop the run but it's not strong suit the bills self-evidently right now. That could be the exactly. The kind of matchup people are downplaying. The blows up and not obviously because of josh allens ability in that respect but i think that is important. But it wouldn't. Would it be the craziest thing if everybody's at that. What do you think the bills are going to get any ground game. Going in in the gamaleya this season they certainly didn't three point seven yards per carry in that game if singletary went off and how to one hundred and forty yards and averaged five point carry. Stranger things have happened. So i guess what i'm trying to say is you can look at those matches matchups and think. Well this is a weakling for the chiefs but the bills call really exploited. I think is patronizing to the ground. Game it's not great but it doesn't mean that on any given day play singletary's caliber and a line of the bills caliber colt make that work. And i wonder whether deba look to that and thinks you know what let sucker punch them a bit. Let's lead with the ground game. Let's let's establish that. Let's get some motion momentum going emotion going there because it's what people would least expect them to do. I guess where the report to be ridiculously windy and rainy. Another report appreciate more horrible technical. Everytime wanna go into degrees celsius blah blah blah and. I'm going to tell you. There's probably gonna be writing and windy with a windy which doesn't facilitate eve The strong points of these two teams in the passing game but what it does do is both teams off notoriously you know very good against iran being that weakness season chiefs ranked twenty eighth in run defense efficiency. And as you said. I don't think we can rule out the idea that the bills run game gets going. But i don't see it if it does get going going single tree. I i it going with josh allen. I think people underestimate how good your shot is with his legs. Four hundred twenty rushing yards on one hundred two carries with eight touchdowns averaging twenty six point three yards per game and i expect them to for him to utilize his legs a lot in this game. Especially if as we know is to take away the biggest offense will be the deep pasta digs. He will try his best to take waste fund digs and if they're going with those full wide receiver sets. Josh allen will have space to move the ball and run with expect him to have success. That and i think that could be a critical part this game especially if it is windy and rainy as they are expecting it to be love that love the analysis in yeah of course bags as we well know from offering. Oc in The success that they had with the new york giants that was their mo. Of course taken down a out belichick belichick. Didn't he on more than one occasion. Right which waleed. So i think obviously as a i think if we take into consideration mahomes is going to play. I think we're all expecting him to play with tele plays that. Although let's not right. Dr williams he made some big plays important times against brown. So clyde edwards doesn't play as the unnecessary the end of the world. But i am leaning towards the kansas city chiefs. Here i know the defending super bowl champs have failed to cover the spread in nine straight games that is outrageous have won eleven of their past twelve and the one which they lost with against the chargers which had hands short. You can count that with a loss on the chiefs one by more than six points on november the us against the jets so despite that i think as i've told you throughout the season people are saying that this chiefs unnecessary i view of a wayside as well because the chiefs on blowing teams out and throwing ridiculous policies and making ridiculous plays the whole time that it means that. They're not as good as they were last year. I think the thing about this. Kansas chiefs team is day. Just do what they have to win. And that's what they have done all year. That's why they're not necessarily covering spreads but i've never really felt when i've watched kansas city that they've ever really been in that much trouble from the. They lost to the raiders with that in mind when they paid the bucks only one by three points but game was never in question right. Dolphins nonni one by. What was it six points five points and that was just because don't cover. The dolphins had in the last minute. I think this team when they have mahomes under center know exactly what they need to do to win the game. And i think they have the capacity to here. I think the buffalo bills are just going to struggle on defense. I think everyone's high on them. You know what i always say. Buy low sell high nine. Everyone is so high on this bills defense but that was some pretty special circumstances what we saw last week with what the ravens did. And if they didn't throw that pick sex. Which i think was paul passed but it was a great player by the bills. Defense than it could have been a much closer game and also. I just think that it's going to be able to in josh allen hair to put up points. I don't think we've seen the best of joshua watered-down down josh allen. In the past two weeks it has looked a little bit like a rabbit. Cohen headlights and get to see much improvement from him. If he's going to go toe to toe this. Kansas city team for this bills defense to keep kansas city under thirty points with weather in mind if record obviously that slightly different but for the buffalo bills to effectively score more points city team to school even within four points to this kansas city team. I think it's going to be very very tough. Just because of how many options this chiefs team have going forward. And just because they andy reid and patrick mahomes who had just an incredible combination. And i just don't hang against them. Yeah i puff acc- summation top it. Suffice to say. I'm with you on that as well when it comes to the crunch at obviously on the assumption that mahomes doesn't just start but but looks right and we haven't mentioned the turf which has been downplayed this week but that is a that can be a really really tricky injury right and That no one seems to be worried about it. So maybe maybe is nothing and but again maybe that is being deliberately downplayed. But let's assume the moms is close to full pelt. Yeah it's that time we've seen already in his brief but brilliant career time and time again and this is this is the kind of game that mahomes rebels at a not to say josh allen. Can't we don't know yet. It's the biggest game of his career right and everything he has shown us this season demonstrates that he has changed demonstrably as a as a player. In what can achieve deliver on the field but also mentally as as a quarterback he seems to be leading this team. And i don't think he's ever been favorable kind of play like came into the nfl's rookie roar and gangly in a very Very hit and miss but he's always had them moxie right. He does seem He's he's a famous kind of play. Us audit these necessarily bottling that respects and there are other quebec's i think you think okay in a game like this. The scale of a impression particularly it's tight that they could bend right and baker mayfield credit to him. Because i felt for a long time. He was that kind of player and he's shut up on that front. Think allen is going to be phased by but i do think that mahomes just like roaches has the edge. I think he has the edge. And i'm saying rojas has the edge of a brady this season with the offense that he has for that matter the defense he has around him in that game not that he has the edge ever brady every time and the same thing here. I think the mahomes has i am this chiefs. Offense has more about it again on the basis that that majority of fit. And your great point. You make about sammy. Watkins edwards helaire short. I think still get something going there. But they'll be in much better shape if he is playing. I i have to go home and the chiefs as well. But where are you on the over on this on this. Is i suppose you quickly before we came on a and basically said i feel like i'm falling into a massive trap because in both situations i'm taking the favourite with the points and the over which i think is oversee. The more is the obvious play in a scenario. But i genuinely can't see this game being low scoring again with weather conceded to ranked offenses in the regular season bias pin. They combined total of nearly thirteen thousand yards of offense averaging twenty nine plus points per game. They are elite and i think they have the capability to take advantage of the weaknesses in the opposition defences. I think one prop bet that. I'll be looking forward looking to play with beasley over yardage and potentially score touchdowns just purely based the matchup like i think where the chiefs a week on. The defensive side of the ball was slot and didn't have a big game people. Blame it on the injury. But i think that was just because he was gone. Coming up against one of the best cornerbacks in the game in modern humphry. My don't think the chiefs especially looking. There might be a little bit. Banged up even compare to what the baltimore have in their secondary with marlon humphrey so easy to exploit them in the middle. They caught him well. I think bill's funds sudden beasley on third downs. You just straight kobe's every time. And he seems to always get just enough yards like how small that guy is absolutely incredible. And i expect him to have success. I think stefan digs is going to have a big game. He's had a big. He's a big games all year. He thinks digs slow down. He doesn't run very very well. An expected to have a big game but at the same time on the other side of the bullets. Patrick mahomes in this chiefs. Offense just has so many options andy reid cooling the place like i just don't see despite the only thing is if it's too windy throw the ball. Obviously that changes the game. Or the chief ron the ron completely and just exploit that and means that the clock runs down. Those are the only possible situations where i see this. Not going over fifty three and a half. But i i think if i was going to think the chiefs have the edge there as well. Yes i do see but it's just the over under become to below question thing but for team points totals kansas city at twenty six and a half. I love that. Yeah right this under twenty seven dollars and even buffalo twenty five and a half that as well. Yes worth look definitely like i. Just think everything. These are two of the best offenses in football. I'm expecting both games. Actually interestingly to to be high scoring and to see. Therefore the best quarterbacks in the game and i expect us to and the best thing the most exciting thing about this bill chiefs game in the offense is is they. I think that a two best. Okay maybe top three five quarterbacks when the play breaks down yes you. Everything collapsed josh allen. Patrick mahomes of those two quarterbacks you can see making play slow roaches. Yoda say rogers. Yeah what's russell wilson. Yeah exactly does you know that those are the top five. Yeah seeing those two and josh shannon's be one of the best at this season seeing. That makes her a really really compelling an exciting game and i really josh allen turns up for this game we have. There's no way he can do what he did against the ravens or the colts and win this game. I don't think played very well. But i think he's gonna have to go north three know on top form. Yeah is use it. I caught the chief. Start with your found the under now that as well. I very much with you now. We've talked it through and as listeners will know that you and i noticed up paxton ford's a long often change on my off during the show. Actually we gotta get to the right place in the ended. Let's face it. We've had a good run this season right. We've but we've made. Some mistakes landed a lot as well and i think some weeks. We've had more conviction than others for that. And this week i have to say i feel strong about about the the picks in terms of the teams with the points as well and i like the over and the only obvious asterix's to add to that i think we've covered pretty clearly self-evidently and whether if it's getting ridiculous that you might want to wait for an in game play with with the weather. Even in game play within reason with muhoza the danger there of course if he's fine and they strike easily then. There won't be much much. Choose remaining caution with that. I'd have to say it was while i was actually watching the lines. Because that's the majority of casualties a betting on sunday night. Let's be honest. I think it's the people who tend to take a little bit more seriously. Oh back themselves a little bit more. We'll be looking at the lines earlier in the week. And kind of judging from that point and i noticed last week that the tampa bay new orleans saints over under shot up when one and a half to fifty three and a half just before game and people people both those games by the poll tax plans gains concentrate on. I want to know about these. Lean towards the over yet. No doubt about that so we tend to go a little bit earlier. If you can get off. I liked that we have of course because we've only got two games but we do have a double free. This changelings up a bit so the edge rush championship double of the week. And we're talking here. Forget the points. Take teams straight up. Starting with the green bay packers over the tampa. Bay buccaneers aaron rodgers. Mvp not in any kind of wall. We're big on the bucks on this show and year. Think you'd be crazy if it's a back against tom brady a situation like this. That clinical the green bay packers. I'm not buying into what happened in the season. The team to beat them heavily. Been the bucks. So we're taking green bay straight up that and the second part of our money on double. We are taking the tampa bay buccaneers to win by twenty five points. Buffalo bills five is zero that the tampa bay buccaneers now. Of course we are going to kansas city chiefs understanding the Mahomes is going to play over this injury keeping on at essen key names on it but considering the playoffs considering if the conference championship game i expect him to do what they can get that key players on the failed and when they all the chiefs are simply too good there. Twenty three and one in the last twenty four games. That mahomes has started is absolutely sensational. And yes they haven't been blowing teams out this year not not by any stretch of the imagination but at the same time they never they're gonna lose games. They always come on come out trump's when they need a big clown defense they get it from tarmac to you when they need a big found offense just night many of their offensive players know. Probably bring you a big play. So i am going with the kansas city chiefs to win. This is well it's complete. I'll double in. Andy reid we trust. I think is what was said that love. You are best of luck quickly quickly so just before we wrap up. I want to get an early one on just because we don't have as many games this week. Just looking at fred's for the super bowl winner packers to one to one bills. Tend to three bucks four to one Who would you salvi packers and chiefs favors to get to the super bowl as we just discussed than we believe is going to be the case but they are effectively a peckham which means as likely what's going to happen if they do get the super bowl so obviously considering that you'll both your backing the pakistan the chiefs in these games. Who do you like acas packages. Yep they are route that play rootless. Rufus clinical formidable. I couldn't rationalize backing against aaron. Rodgers delays playing. He's kissed is one of the great quarterback seasons. We're seeing beyond the no illusion about that. And i think he's gonna get isis it with with a super bowl. I think i think it is brilliant from roger and it isn't just ham and we emphasize back so much but it is the most influential position in sport and he is looking unbeatable right now. So i'm going packets. how about you. I'm sure way for the over come out when pakistan sixty five whatever it is just how you stretch it massively and just super bowl although because of course we are rolling all the way through The bill to the super bowl. We got content rolling out all through that night of course on a pod channels on our social channels as well. Lots of special guest coming up with planning tab. I think what four five episodes dropping super bowl week and lots of extra video concerts was at the. Nc shows off social had one facebook instagram twitter. If you haven't already give us a follow that a lot of your favorites and friends coming back on the show so Keep your eyes peeled look forward to getting to that and of course very similar note who those two teams are going to be that we're going to be keying on so clearly there'll be an edge rush super bowl special costa. Well you'd better get ready and dust down some of your stats. The probably not looks fifty sixteenth box stats on the left there marked crazy. Prophets dig out. Because we're going to be looking at things like color. The gatorade coin toss length and ashland all the good any way you can do. The coin toss. I'm gonna queue up what we're going to do next week. Any way you can coin is doing a coin toss. Surely what do you mean. We have to do. A coin toss decide. Well i'll keep you. That's a great show. I'll try and get hold of some gatorade and i'll do a blind test. You call you to blindfolded. Pour some company you say one two or three will decide what kind of gauge raided on that basis. I think definitely batch of his package chiefs and yeah luckily so no trust next week. But you'll back with the nc show We're gonna end of season special. Which is going to be our seasonable alternative awards to keep your eyes peeled on social media because you might be asking requests in lots of different ideas. We go bubbling around for that. So make sure the talks and you'll get. You'll get to see dust out dust off the tux just for that. Show a lotta great shot. That's all right. Good luck this weekend. Enjoy the action. Most of the best of luck taking some action.

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Nat, Mike & The World of Suck

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What about teams do next the Miami Dolphins fish tank dealing minkah fitzpatrick that superstars stars to Pittsburgh so much more about as well to get into that with Mike for male back on five picks as well looking forward to catching up with him? I'm very shortly just time for me to tell you it's a follow us on social media if you want to keep up with all the stuff that's around in the League all week long seven days a week three basic spices shoutout Alex and Tom and the crew that Instagram facebook twitter at NC show is how keep up with us on those food take it you haven't already DRP has subscribed whether you're listening to us an chiens on stitcher on poppy on spotify wherever you're listening to US subscribe to the show or episodes a week and he won't miss a trick great to have you along for the ride what were already heading into week three of the season and already there so much to be getting into categories. Let's get on with it to get into with you got to mail bag as well a bump now back from a loyalist the show if you want to questions in an incident long and we will save most of them for a Wednesday show with a big man and Tron sure on route through as many as we can top five as well stop five absolutely the top five craziest reasons for guys going on injured reserve. I like it I like it or we'll save that so we'll save the best I say until the end I want to start with the big story breaking though the last twenty four hours ally manning the giants finally benching that time superbowl when a moving on to Daniel Jones of course the selection of raised more than a few eyebrows with the giants picked him high up in the draft this year. Are you surprised the price might the giants have made the switch so soon into disease in a way yes but when you think about it no because he lies performances been underwhelming wing we discussed this earl before the season started and I think they did the right thing by starting Eli because you don't want a quarterback controversy when you bench Yulong in terms starter in favor of rookie the best way to do it is to let the starter play if he plays well you win and if he doesn't well you can put your rookie and and you shouldn't be criticized sized for it now in mitigation of all this and I know that when you watch Eli play you just think well his arm just isn't what it was really really doesn't have it now but that team Amos so bad on so many levels you know he had no receivers to throw to his offensive. Line is still a mess after they spent a huge amount of money on at the defense is not the kind of defense. It's supposed to be really saquon Barkley their only weapon of of any consequence so it in a sense. It's a little unfair the blame Eli but at the same time why not quit your starter in apart from the idea he might get killed just way Eli was 'cause he's not as as experienced as you know standing in against the rush getting rid of the ball or taking a pounding she li- is done over the past few years you know we've had so much like a revisionist or reversion back to the idea of taking a young back letting them sit and watch you know the way Rojas did on the farm and many more before him I the NFL seem to have moved away for thrusting young draft picks. I draft picks in to the arena. Fawzi's sued that seems to have balanced out in recent times then could see wisdom here with the giants are going to be very good this season. We'll do a serviceable job for a team. That's probably GonNa Finish six and ten let that new sit hof two thirds of the season learning watching shing being guided and then come in for the for the Taylor when he's just got a bit more awareness and knowledge of how was what can they surely that there's more oh to lose here by bringing them going to be a playoff team this season. She said he could have the starting out his confidence completely short exactly that's that's the real risk and we've seen it before with quarterbacks back to go into bad situations and and suffer setbacks to Shawn Watson jumps to mind in recent years but Daniel car David Car at Houston as well would be another good example. I think part of it is that the coaches have to have an idea a better idea of what thirteen can and cannot do before they put this kid in and so what you're asking him to do now is to riot raise his game up above the level. All of the team and Jones. I think is a guy who the question was wasn't whether he was worth a first round draft. Pick question was always whether it was worth the number six pick back from from the giants and whether he would have still been there at seventeen had the giants not taken him you know would wash instead of taking him instead of Dwayne Haskins kids. I rather doubt it how rationalized that might because he wasn't able these draft picks that have that mock drafts in rank Nicole Jackson often disagreement with a few Dave Dave cattleman said two things one of which is is a bit hard to argue with one is when you decide. This is the guy you want to take him. It's not worth running the risk of losing him to someone expected. Did you know someone trades up that you weren't anticipating to grab him. Whatever the second bank elements said was he he fell in love with Jones during the senior bowl when I watched the siege all uh-huh quite a bit and I didn't really see anything to fall in love with you know what you saw at Duke was a guy who again playing in an overmach team most of the time I did pretty well with quarterback coach who are coach who was the quarterback coach away manning when he was in college and for Mate Manny when he was in college so I think that that that was probably part of the impetus for drafting him and the question I don't think is whether he can be a good? NFL quarterback questions whether he's ready to step in in this giants team and so it's it's a risk but again the only thing you're risking against is losing and oddly enough though going down to Tampa Bay you would think the giants have somewhat of a shot brought down there yeah obviously do the mouth bag at the end of the show the bumper and every now and then when a relevant question rooks up and this is a good I'm from rock cash appreciate the tweet wreckage at the NC show. If you WANNA follow suit is this the end for allies because reading all on Daniel Jones can eli bouncing to another gig Jacksonville possibly reunite with his old coach shoes now see running the show that Tom Coughlin. It's very interesting because there's been a number of trade rumors about Eli teams that are losing their quarterbacks. Pittsburgh was another one that people were suggesting might be interested in him and the the point being I think if you put him in a better situation with with a better line and more weapons you might see a better Eli and certainly on a in a short passing assing kind of game that would not be unreasonable to expect. I'm not sure Jacksonville is that situation. We saw minhsiu running around for his life at times last week and Pittsburgh could well be although I think they have to get Mason Rudolph his chance in Pittsburgh to make that work of course benching Eli now sets off in the what the world's second-biggest Internet controversy for the next week or so as you know whether Eli is elite whether he belongs to the home not that one has been running for ten years and it will continue to run certainly for at least five years beyond his retirement when you and I have definitely gone back and forth on that in multiple times over over the years where a revised your opinion on that because you're not convinced fame right. I'm I'm not and never was when you compare him with the two guys who came into the League at the same time which was Ben Rothlisberger in Philip Rivers. He's well behind those two in terms of passing efficiency now in fairness. He's the only one who's efficiency goes up in the playoffs. Although he's still behind the other two in in playoffs he has two Super Bowl rings which is biggest selling point for the whole accounts for ahead of them does indeed but it's never counted for Jim Plunkett and I think there's a pretty pretty good comparison between Eli and Jim Plunkett particularly in the way they win super bowls they they were both guys who were not afraid to take risks downfield and that's been Eli biggest characteristic heuristic is a quarterback. I think it's a very short memory. he can throw too bad passes he can take a horrible sack and he'll still get up and go for all the marbles on the next play with no no fear whatsoever and I think that's probably his strongest characteristic as a quarterback but I right now I would say I only see Ben as a hall of Famer neighbor from that group and I think that's because he's got to wrenches well with one of which certainly wasn't responsible for front but he he's also got a more efficient career and that and the same kind of fearless risk-taking big player potential that ally has I think rivers is has actually a harder debate and band or ally yeah. I agree what how much the new element plays into that is very. He's got help is incidentally. I might you got me. You got me curious now. That's the second biggest conspiracy around this week. What's the biggest? I'M NOT GONNA say it. Just can't be in trouble now. You mentioned a injury situation in Pittsburgh across bag out for the season drew drew brees at traveling back to Los Angeles at hand surgery. NFL DOT COM is reporting ligament of course on his throwing hand as well so beds estimating six to eight weeks majority of the of the regular season might yeah thumb ligament for for drew brees on on his throwing hand so that's that's that's a tough one because the rehab for that takes a long time in that you just every time you move move your thumb. It's at Sharia back back so so it's it's it's a hard it's a hard one to overcome interesting situation there with the with with the backups because Teddy Bridgewater Water didn't look didn't look particularly great but I think what they need to do is adjust their offense bit for Teddy Bridgewater. who's who's WHO's more of a sort of drop back passer and is also a different guy from the one who came out of college and went to Minnesota where and Mike like to near was very good on this the other day we went to Mike Zimmer where you're basically asked a handoff and keep your mouth shut and then bail the team out when the hand when on the handoffs don't work but I wouldn't be surprised to see Tastes Hill playing more snaps at quarterback they they used him for almost the whole game in the preseason he put up some pretty hey good numbers and they would again have to adjust the offense a little bit for for his skill set but that's that's probably a dilemma they have to work their way through in the next couple of weeks which is tough because they go to Seattle and then have Dallas come in in the next two weeks which are not not easy tasks for that untested Teddy's safe. I guess you're alluding to Mike. We have Mike Tannenbaum on the show on Monday and I asked him really keen to get your perspective on this so when when you take a team that is a contender so let's eliminate on the bubble module sides and and suddenly teams at the dolphins aren't GonNa get into them in a minute minute rebuilding a team that had quite serious playoff contenders want those teams investing a significant amount of money in a good backup he'd take earliest attested backup look at the situation nation in Green Bay for example who are amongst the top seeds you think in in the NFC but they've got a very very thin go-to guy if Aaron Rodgers goes down at a is it down to just the lack of decent backup talent out there was more to it. I get salary cap challenges that but I'm surprised at irrespective of that team have a serious is charged at the platform Invest Board a good backup. Well I mean I think you hit the nail on the head or maybe Mike Tannenbaum did. The first thing is there aren't that many good quarterbacks around certainly not you know not proven ones and used to have a sort of subset of guys who were competent backups could hang around for a long time and you still have a few view of those guys and they get picked up. We talked about that when Brian Hoyer was released by the Patriots and then signed you know the kind of guy who will not lose a game for you if you put him in but might not necessarily win a game coming back from thirty points twenty points down. You can't afford to keep a it's tough to keep a second that quarterback because you can't afford to pay him. What if he's a star equality starter or potentially equality starter team is GonNa want him as the starter will pay him starters money uh-huh again the Patriots had this problem Jimmy Garoppolo they reached the point where they would have to pay him like you know almost like a star but he knew he had make more money as a starter and wanted to start art because that's that's what the game's all about when I think it's also a question of not being able to coach guys you know if if I were an NFL team I would always draft a quarterback every year and try to coach him up put in even if it's on the practice squad but really really work hard a- At coaching him up well again? I keep going back to patriots but that's what they seem to do you know and this year they took him in the fourth round and he's now the backup. They've they've got enough faith in him to to make him the backup. Although I'm sure they would they would want to have to rush in in the middle of of a playoff fight but you know team teams used to do this. A lot and green bay did it for years on Ron. WOOLFE and Holmgren guys like Aaron Brooks and Doug Doug Peterson was there but they often develops guys and then traded them a Matt Hasselbeck land they sent him to Seattle and got a pretty good return earn. Even though they had never played it was worth draft pick to bring these guys long as quality players and there's always one or two guys out there who if you can you know if you can get the fit to your system racked are worth that kind of risk in the fourth round or the fifth round and it's also why a number burbs smart teams now tend to accumulate or try to accumulate picks in the in the late rounds of the draft and when we talk about Miami that's one of the things that happened in in their trays was they was picks in the fourth and sixth and seventh round ignored when drafters reported then turned into chips that they try it turned into a usable pick so you can trade to six for fifth say and use that fifth rounder somebody you think you can develop okay well speaking of the stockpiling picks in using picks and depth in the draft as well. That's a nice segue assaulting of the segues Mike I said that time and again the the Miami Dolphins Talk to me Mike help me out because I get the I get the rebuilding challenge challenge that a number of teams are aimed where they know they stink eight argue that the only way around this is to a long term plan in place that says to that fans into meteor and everybody watching watching look. We're going to be rubbish for a little while but trust us. We're GONNA the asset strip at in the end will use the the amount we get to build a building built you look at the Houston Astros for example in Major League Baseball. It's exactly what they did over you know over the last ten years right and that's what the dolphins are saying that doing what I don't understand what about it and the latest news of course Minkah Fitzpatrick being dealt to the steelers he was a player. I remember vividly when he was coming out of the draft. You were telling me this guy is the real deal. Id lived up to that. He's versatile play. He's clearly leader on the field and crucially he is young. He's in his second season right. He's only he's only twenty three so I get plays at that peak plays maybe even slightly over the hill but you're selling up and getting a could valuable than because they're probably GONNA move into decline pretty rapidly sure cash it on those players. I don't get dealing Laremy Tunsil a young player benefits Patrick particularly a a young player what the dolphins up to well they are they are trying to reset their roster in terms of guys that they they like and guys who want to be there. They're in era now. I don't know if you can say in Bryan we or Chris Greer we trust at this point but they're all ex patriots one way or the other other yes front office there. Coaching staff and Grier is obviously the GM at my and his father was the director of the G. The G. M. in effect act before a bill bell chicken for I think one year two years after Bella chick own interesting specialist to bobby grier specialist in bobby grew so yeah it's an and Chris greer was worked there for a little while before he went to Miami and he's worked his way up but I think there's a couple of things going on here. Tunsil is the interesting one because they didn't have anybody to step in and replace him. Even though they got Julian Liam Davenport in the trade you know and I said I said a couple of weeks cry thought they they thought Dave googly Alma would be able to sort of coach up offensive line. That's the way Dante Dante's Carnesecca coaches up the Patriots offensive line and yet the Patriots won last week with Corey Cunningham and Marshall Newhouse who they picked up off the St the past couple of weeks as their tackles with and they got a pretty good pretty good hall in that. I don't think Kenny stills was a loss. They thought they needed. They didn't need to worry about. I think they felt he was replaceable. which could be considered? It's dependable guy but you can get he. He's the exactly the kind of play you can understand. They're GONNA deal team. They signed Alan hearns after the cut downs and maybe Allen hearns doesn't have anything left but maybe does but MINGKA's the interesting one because like you say I thought he was still in the draft when when they got him he's a versatile defender and I thought that as a safety who had cornerback the skills he was a perfect fit for what Ryan floors would want to do. He's Devin mccourty basically but probably a more impressive player coming out of college. The mccourty was now the reason I think he was gone is Bobby McCain who was a cornerback but they've been playing him at safety. All all of a sudden they're deep at safety and Mingka true appears to want to play safety not nickel corner which is odd because Pittsburgh when they traded for immediately start talking about visit nickel corner and that but that seems to be the root of his discontent. There's a difference as well though I guess Mike you playing nickel corner in his team steelers who you know the Rothlisberger injury is site a serious contenders in yeah Miami when you're getting tanked. What's the point differential one hundred to ten? I think fusty against yeah but the thing with with you know and teams like Brian Floor will use a lot of three safety alignments where one safety in effect becomes a nickel pass to cover and so I don't I don't understand what the problem was in terms of making not being satisfied with how he was being used unless he simply wasn't playing up to their standards. They have Rashaad Jones. You know they have wall takins in there. They have McCain moving back. Tankersley was on I r but when he comes back you know he's he's potentially a decent cornerback so I just think they thought with Howard and Eric Rowe. I'm not sure about still never never was when he was with New England but but he can webster they picked up from New England Parker from the rams. They've got potential there. When you look across is there roster though it's all guys that they have picked up on the cheap from other teams guys who were cut out of the teams where they see potential so they are building? NJIT based on potential and hoping that those parts were will gel and the problem being right now is as we saw the first two weeks Ryan unfit S- Patrick's running for his life and throw and Josh Roses running. Josh Rosen GonNa wind up being the guy we were talking about in the Douglas in the David Jones Daniel Jones sounds yeah sure the guy who after one year in Arizona spending the most time on his back looking up at the sky is going to get the same thing happening amid Miami and by go he gets to play on a team with decent offensive line and receivers he's going to be so shell shocked that he's that he's ineffective so you know but that's what I think Miami stewing they're willing to risk of course isn't it but it works well in a machine like the Patriots Organization built when Bill Took Over Chris Coaching the Patriots. He did have a losing season right but he he took over a better team. You know a team that had gone had a winning record. He's also bill belichick. He knew what he wanted. he knew he had a better grasp baby of veteran players than than than this group does at the moment and I just wonder too about whether or not I think I may have said this on the show last week or the week before whether Brian Floors who's a young coach and was not a defensive coordinator although defacto he was with us the play caller into England last year is taking on a bit too much by being head coach and his own defensive coordinator yet without having sort of veteran presence there to to draw on on and whether when they make these kind of booze it it does reverberate through the locker room often exaggerate remember when the Patriots got rid of lawyer Milloy you had the guys Tom Jackson on ESPN. He's lost the locker room ever again. They'll never have a winning record well. That didn't turn out to be correct because if you know what you're doing and you're players know you know what you're doing you can do stuff like that. I did think it was kind of trolling the NFL when they assigned tank Carradine who they had cut earlier in the year and then and then resigned as everyone's accusing them of tanking when you sign a player called tank yeah. I think that's worth a laugh or two today as the old Matt No. I'm pretty sure that I through Miami Fish Tanking Olo before what else whatever you're right. I mean yeah that that is a good one. I've learned well. I think you should have trademarked done show. There is some kind of some kind of Brokaw honesty record that I go to early does on that and I liked the fact that you referred to Minka. Fitzpatrick is a steel in the draft. He's a steeler as well so that was particularly that's fine signed but the question with pittsburghers and they gave up a lot in this in this in this deal is do they need a draft pick for a quarterback back and had a really good point because wrote. This bug is being token up the retirement game for a couple of years. Isn't he said now in a statement he was gonNA come back and and this to me he's like pitchers injury his elbow. It's like when a pitcher strange the elbow tendons and while pitchers elbow and needs the surgery drian comes back stronger as a result so that's that's quite possible and and they did they did basically exchange a V for fourth in that trade next year. Her fourth-round is is sort of like backup quarterback territory as I was saying Riley arouse weeks but I think it says that they're probably going to stay with Mason Rudolph if not don't go going on there I can't see them trading for Eli Manning mob big on Rudolph and the locker room as well and it was interesting for view the Place de Castro is one of them is obviously a season while vet was very very yeah Rudolph right after the game and again I I think they have to adjust their offense a little bit because with bandits he can stay in the pocket for a long time and then move out of pocket and make plays happen downfield now. I think they need to go to a little bit more or of a quick set. plays where where you're scheming receivers open more quickly rather than relying them on winning one on one battles which when you have Juju Smith Schuster and Dantonio Brown you know is easy to rely on it's kind of like the packers under Mike McCarthy as opposed through the pay packers now you know where where they're trying to use those kind of schemes to to give more reads to Aaron Rodgers rather than just letting him hang around and then wait for a guy dot com open mic quick one on this or associated point they wanna get the Jalen Ramsey situation. I'm you mentioned earlier on with Flora's a new head coach retaining hating his defensive coordinator. Gt's and obviously every head coach and less you'll tell me there's an exception which there probably is but typically a head coach disease progress from either offensive defensive coordinator special teams position to that to the head job and thorough on the benefit of our listeners out that the new to the NFL this season getting their head head around it. We'll talk through how it works when a team has a head coach that also takes control of one of those areas but still has on paper anyway and offensive or defensive coordinator alongside them. What does it what is the role of the latter? If the head coach is to call the shots it varies team two team because you don't know what goes goes on in meetings and you don't know who actually is in charge of the game planning unless it's the Patriots the short answer to that is that when you when you get a new head coach coach especially when you see young one and they keep or bringing an experienced coordinator on one side of the ball or the other the assumption is always that that coach is going to leave. Give that side of the ball to the coordinator think about Sean mcvay say in Wade Phillips coming in as defensive coordinator for the Rams so wade. That's your business you know and therefore the coach can concentrate on either being a head coach or McVeigh's case being the offensive coordinator as well A- and game planning but but you know the the head coaches in some instances a head cheerleader in some instances more like the head of the CIA in terms of looking looking at looking at tape and you know and and making making impenetrable statements about what you are aren't going to do in an ultimate life ultimate reality were you more likely to be a head shade or head of the CIA by God I would've been would've been the head of the CIA type coach. It's funny I was looking at some bill. belichick tapes tapes to about 'cause I knew he had a funny story about Zeus Orlando Brown who I'm going to mention later on and I are thing and he's talking talking to his son at the beginning of this clip and he says you know we've all played for coaches who are jerks. I was thinking I played for the same jerk UTICA play Jalen Ramsey. He might have something to say about Doug marrone on that on that tip based on what we sore on Sunday extraordinary stuff therre Costa to going at it it Maroon showing restraint Joel for for ad coach and Ramsey who of course is one of the the playmakers on this Jaguars team gave it right back at them and then sure enough twenty four hours later Jalen Ramsey wants out of Jacksonville. What do you make your this? I think I think it is and I said earlier I had never been convinced by the COUGHLAN marrone regime in Jacksonville and I think they've they've made sort of knee-jerk decisions and reactions along the way they've misjudged a number of things along the way and they were lucky in retrospect that that young defense played as well as it did not it they played eight extremely well but they had a lot of lock in terms of turnovers and defensive point scoring when it looked like they were the great up and coming young team but then when that didn't happen. There's still still a good defense but when when it doesn't happen that the defense is producing to cover up for your offense they didn't really have they don't really have a solution there so so the week before you saw miles jack going all. WWF on Lousy lushness now you've got jalen Ramsey going WWF on marrone roane. I mean if we could if we patch things up. Those two guys would be a great tag team with Marrone as their manager remember when when yeah exactly it looks like a baby so you know. I don't think so you watch him play hardly a baby face. Maybe they'd be that that kind of new mets the era of the meant to be heels. Everybody loves them. Yeah I mean I would make I would make him like a wining. He'll you know who complains cheats constantly complains that other people are cheating when you remember when Doug marrone played for the monarchs the offensive line on that team that won the world what will cry the nasty boys yes after the wrestling the wrestling tag team so doug. Would it'd be a great a great fit for for that he's crazy Mike that we mentioned clear on who was the poster boy of being an authoritarian coach. I mean you know we've spoken to to. OC and Jay Bell about some of the stories playing under him and just how regimented an officious he was so it's quite interesting that the Jackson really undisciplined. I know he's not the head coach. He's not in a position to he's not in a position to do that and and I just don't install install with him in many respects those well yes and no is with him because of his influence on marrone basically but I think dogs the guy who's the point man for all of this and and for whatever reason he hasn't been able to sell that brand of debt or put it this way once a team starts to go downhill as they did last last year in the last what was it eleven games three and eight and Alaska when when the team starts to go downhill these these cracks start to appear when you're winning those cracks ask you know they may still be there. The feelings may still be there but you keep them bottled up because you're winning and everybody is is theoretically happy. You know I I my own. I had an undefeated season where there were some players. I literally did not like and and a couple who were actively undermining me personally in terms of relationship you should with coach that didn't matter we were all winning two years later when we were losing and had a Doug marrone type head coach who just started off it became a big thing and you know that's not essential to win but sure helps when your team is all on the same boat. I mean Jamal Adams now. They're saying you know has taken the jets off his instagram feed Insta- Mesa a snapface whatever just instagram and drop that was very belichick in your view yeah thank you and again I think Adam gays it doesn't have that authority hasn't built that authority to be able to get get players convinced to stick with things that don't automatically appear to me. Working in Kigali does certainly certainly he's not responsible for Sam Darnold Mono but I think I think what you saw from from the passing primate Trevor Simian and then from drew walk was was the kind of actions Luke Falk Walk Sorry to that maybe there as well the way it was for the jets yeah I mean it's tough to keep these guys but for knows the system he he was in Miami. You know when when let gays was there and gazes systems I keep saying is basically one that that keeps the quarterbacks throwing safe passes and it's given him this reputations of quarterback whisperer which is completely undeserved and and you know I think right now the jets are in a heap of trouble although they're going to New England so that's not going to help but all I think faulk may well be a better. You know a better fit than people think to get them through a couple of weeks till darnold it comes back and of course with Mono. You just never know when he's GonNa come back. Let's go to the mailbox. There are some questions about the jets unsurprising. Mike Mike Top five How do we start speaking of the backups that have come in as a good one here in terms of who the question is which projected new starting quarterback who will fare best us ten month Jones Rudolph Folk Teddy the tough one because you find success in the situation from success? Your best bet is Mason Rudolph because Pittsburgh theoretically is a better offense and they have a good offensive line is the the best defense out of those four. Isn't it yeah you know who will be the better quarterback long-term I did situation. WHO's GonNa who's GonNa Perform? I mean yeah folks. I think it's easier. It's easier to project Rudolph coming up with decent performances within that with with that team if if they can adjust the system to him teddy bridgewater. I've got a lot of faith in but I'm not sure how the The saints adjust to him Jones. I think is a good prospect but you know he's in a he's in a world of hurt right now. who was it it was Kendall beach him at the jets who said who said that the jets are now a world of suck. Doc sock is a great the world of suck. We've entered the world of suck. I might start a band called world. Suck Mike is that is that's. That's exactly okay. Here's one from David Richards. Thanks for this David at the NC show facebook instagram twitter. Get in touch with any of those platforms this this is on twitter and he should the Patriots Played Antonio Brown with the impending. NFL investigation to close Brown played on Sunday school to touchdown as well sit right right with everybody that Mike no but I think if you're going to sign him you need to play. I've always been opposed to having the NFL being a court of second resort or having a parallel justice system to the justice system that exists as many people pointed out suspending brown now how would basically take away his livelihood for at least a year because this is a civil case which is going to take a long time to play out in in the courts. It's not a criminal. It's not a criminal case the NFL obviously has the right to do this based on the commissioner having the right to do pretty much what he wants to protect the integrity where the the image is better word for the game in the NFL tends to react to what hurts the most so you know if they do that fine. If I'm if my word Patriots it's not in self interest in completely in self interest I would you know play it play Antonio Brown around see how the situation works out except whatever whatever happens it's if you know if I'm opposed to the NFL being a parallel system of justice I certainly would be very opposed to Robert Kraft and the Patriots being a third parallel a system of Justice Thomas Final Mike and then we'll get into your top five at why do you think Jay Ajayi Hi it hasn't been picked up and do you think he will be curious situation there isn't he one of the more talented running backs in the NFL Eagles. We're rooting him. Is One of the British stars over stateside stateside but it's still a free agent right now yeah I think I think it's completely down to injury. I just think my team feels that if they signed jj they're not not going to have in play for more than a few games and then he's going to. He's going to react aggravate one one of his so long his long-term injuries he's got he's got running style that you know sort of invites injury to the shoulder which has been a problem. He's had injuries to the leg. I I think if he could prove he were completely healthy and T. A. team might then want to take risk on it but right now I just. I think that's what it's down to. I don't think there's any other the problem with judge I. That's pretty tricky. Though isn't it's approve you that healthy in Germany they have given the short right and so it is but you know given given his track record and given what he's been rehabbing off of now. I don't know how you prove you're back to one hundred percent and and probably stronger than you were before but I think that's what you have to do. Okeydoke good stuff. Thanks for those questions at the. NC show fire minimal. Let's do some more next week on the Wednesday show with Mike. Let's wrap the things up top. Five on the top of the show I Mike Top five injuries yeah and this was this was prompted by Sam I am Darnold and Mono and I think Ali Ali the producer said you know. Is that the weirdest injury all time and I don't I don't I couldn't call it weird because mottos not weird it's but Chris Law who one of my relatives met at a at a wedding and took infinite number of pitcher pictures with him and said he's one of the nicest guys he's ever met anyway. He said he had mono and his college freshman year he woke up in his youth. WHO'VE ULA was the size of a thumb? So you know guys those who've Yelizaveta shop he couldn't breathe it was like getting crushed and then he said he was also getting crushed on the message boards which were the two thousand four equivalent of twitter lost twenty pounds and to top it off quote. y'All can't party aspect of it. It is a tough injury for Sin Syndrome. Sam Who's now symptom Sam but I didn't it quote I didn't I didn't go into weird injuries didn't result in players being on IRA or you know there's we all know a lot of those you most famously Brandon Marshall slipping on Donald's pack and putting his arm through television set here here was the top five number five or number for six actually was Turk Edwards. Who at number six five is it tops it yeah I'll I'll go through them but didn't get words was the captain of the Washington Redskins in one thousand nine hundred forty and after the coin toss against the giants he spun around to run back to the bench his cleats caught he tore ligaments in his legs and never played again? That's definite yeah number six Gino Smith now number five now so you've number five live look at number five is Gino Smith August Twenty fifteen I K and mccully of the jets punched in the face and factored his jaw he missed the first two games of the season. He lost his job to Ryan Fitzpatrick when he came back fitzpatrick basically played out of his starting job and I I I k then got claimed on waivers by Rex Ryan who had been the jets coach here before it was now up in Buffalo 'cause he needed tough missing sure enough he got in another fight the next year with the bills player Coin de Joe who then the next day tore his ACL was finished for his career in the Jalen Ramsey. Ah I think I could come out of retirement resigned Jacksonville number four plex Akot our old buddy plaxico the year after we interviewed him and had a great time with him in in New Orleans walked into a nightclub in New York and had a gun in the pocket of sweat pants and and shot himself didn't he by yeah. Have you ever done that Mike in the history of if I pull my gun someone's going to die. Elk Basically PLAXICO not only high are but served a jail term weapon in New York City so that was a pretty serious one in number three is a tie between two guys bill gramatica of Tampa Bay and Lamar Mar Houston of Chicago Gramatica tore his ACL celebrating field goal he kicked in two thousand one his rookie year against the cardinals and was basically never the same but Lamar has kind of the edge he was playing for the bears. They were down forty eight to twenty three the Patriots in two thousand fourteen he sacked Jimmy Garoppolo and celebrated jumped up and did a sack dance and I know when you're down by twenty five points greatest data sack you deserve everything that you get in number two and this is what I referred to before Zeus Orlando Brown nineteen ninety seven ninety nine thousand nine in Cleveland and Against Jacksonville Jeff Triplett threw a flag and hit Orlando Brown in the I threw his helmet into his eye he didn't play again and till two thousand three he sued the NFL and collected millions of dollars but he was never really the same after that he died. He died young and if you remember SEUSS's son now is playing the NFL Orlando Junior Mizzou's was like six seven probably he was listed at three sixty probably higher bellichik told a story about when Zeus was in in his first rookie camp minicamp after the draft they had a guy holding the bags and the players are blocking the bags and Zeus hit the bag so oh hard at this guy who was a good sized. A good sized guy got sent twelve yards backward broke his collarbone. This is his first day in rookie. Mini signed the all time winner in this one is the former Barcelona Dragon Chris Hansen. This is a deep khedive of Jacksonville. Oh and now Hanson and his kicker jared homes both got burned in two thousand and two when the fondue Dupatta that they were using it at dinner party with Hansen's wife overturned and they were both severely burned but that was in the off season so anytime but in two thousand Jack Del Rio always coaching Jacksonville right the Great Jack del Rio del Rio thought the team needed to be tougher of course and they needed they needed to concentrate more so so he put this stump of wood in the locker room with an ax in the stump of war and said that they had to keep chopping wood. They were all in three the time right so Chris Hansen being upon your picks up the approve picks up the axe smashes is it into the thing and basically slices his leg hope and misses the entire the entire season for a season now he he wasn't even the weirdest punches at the Barcelona dragons ever had because that logs to Jeff Beckley who was a golf pro in the offseason with no attention to play in the NFL and you simply off all day in Barcelona show up for practice and go play golf. He was great Jeff was just hello a lot of fun. When you were down? They're in Tibet but absolutely weirdest. I are of all time belongs to Chris Hansen of the Jacksonville Jaguars Diabetes Yeah. GDP you stuff I and Mike I'm loving your top five brilliant stuff and we will we will deep dive. Actually what what are we should throw it out. Social Media will love it absolutely love it crack. Always the Panthers got eleven. We got some companies in his wealth outside. Americanos fans listening Bego was considered great stuff. Mike Lu Irresistible targets of course you plug it also aboard the patch on DOT com. Give that a little plug in what you're writing walking on this week well. It'll be the preview week three's games. The first one goes up on Thursday for Thursday night game and then the rest of the Friday morning tight end column goes up on Friday there'll be a little bit of discussion some of which we've just had about various moves within the league and and what's going on Mike I tend to tweet a a couple of the highlights from it out there every week but it's packing on dot com forward slash Mike Carlson MT and you know it's worth it so far. I'm on a roll picking Games would as soon as I say that it usually goes away. Yes just sad and you'll be fine. I can attest to as well worth well worth the read the follow my contract calls in sports is how you do that while they bibles each week fantastic see guys krystof from I'm Mike he is each and every Wednesday throughout the season of course we're back Friday phoebe Scheckter in the House for those of you don't know phoebe. I'm sure many many of you do but for those that don't she's the buffalo bills over the last twelve months on the coaching staff. She is an inspirational character and a great great guest I have on the show so really looking forward to catching up with phoebe

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National 'Jump to Conclusions' Day

"Hello and welcome to the not. Coon show week one sunday in the bag. We're looking back at all the action from yesterday of water remarkable sunday. It was too and that word is often thrown around misinterpreted. But it's buying on the money when you look at the offsets left right and center performances both individually collectively that. Nobody saw coming predictions. Were way off the mark. But i'm definitely not on my own. There are special guest this week one of our pro phase. Of course i'm mike carson. He'll tell you he was a little bit more accurate but more importantly than that. He's going to break down exactly why things went down the way they did. Vintage wisdom from the big man. Coming up now mike. Good to see crazy a results even by contemporary nfl. Stan law upsets. Of course which i'm guessing means the experts around the globe yourself included are in disarray. After their week one picks up. I think i checked it on your nemesis. Prediction supercomputer biggest. No i haven't just. I'm not publishing the picks you know i'm not doing a I don't bother. Don't bother to check what i mean last year. I think i had a great week one this year. I'm sitting in a well. That's pretty waited waiting on monday night. 'cause i'm going to ask you to is in a bar in reno drowning stories right. Yeah that kind. He's getting sprayed. Compressed air unprejudiced microchips. The it was interesting because the betting column on fridays. My dad's bat was green bay. Which if you're gonna you're gonna go wrong. You might as well go wrong. Big time actually made up for a number of other my other ones where we're all pretty pretty good especially at over unders new going under on pittsburgh. And and the bill's going over on the chiefs and browns will go very good. We like that. We had that on edge. That was one of our favorite picks. Actually and my best one i think was seattle to win and the over under the under forty eight. You did okay. But most of us didn't because all kinds of shocks upsets. And i know we can overreact to the best of times to two one thank action. This is national this national. Jump to conclusions week. We'll heavy. I heard somebody say on a certain highlights programme that. Everybody watches on sunday. When a certain quarterback threw a touchdown first-quarter gay well their quarterback. Problems are solved. Now say at eckes as this season and insert twenty five other ridiculous narratives but it's even more complicated work out. What the heck is going on. We're gonna get into a number of a number of those upsets and surprising performances but individually and collectively around the nfl. But we're gonna start with a a game. As expected sunday night football dominating display from the rams the headlines mike unsurprisingly concentrated on mattie staff at a great performance three hundred plus yards three touchdowns lots of stats flying around one hundred fifty six point one passer rating which allies sports tell us is the highest ever by any player in nfl history on his debut. The new t. Let's get beyond numbers. Let's get beyond the stats. What were your main takeaways from the rats offense in particular the thing they need the thing that needed stood out the most bhagat got him obviously to pass from the pocket and the long pass. It was called back on the penalty. Dan jefferson was a pocket and it was the kind of passed it if you if you were watching detroit. A jared goff has trouble because the faulk collapsed is he really needs to have room to able to throw. And that's when he threw interception. I love the way that he got. Tyler hate higby in balked in the offense a lot more. Because i've been saying well is might being during the super bowl when they only scored three points you know. Why aren't they running. Too tight ends more every eight. Why not So that that also is a positive but the biggest play the game for stafford was bootleg and men wide open receiver downfield and i. I'm sure sean bay is thinking with them. Yeah this this is exactly what he wanted from a quarterback in the poor bears. And i mean how much can you read from it. 'cause wide open was the the operative phrase there was as well as the time that staff at how does a lot of yeah now. He's the one tibet ben. Jefferson was the wide open receivers cooper who was also wide open on the one that was called back pocket yet but yes they event comes through and they got three wides. Yeah that's great. that's a great love it. we'd be big on a van for what on the show. So how much on this was it. Just a as the performance in the secondary with the space being created because of mcveigh's eight abrasive calling and the execution by the line of stafford and obviously the receivers couch can we read into how effective they looked. Offensively i think i think gum there were some big mistakes. Obviously blown coverages by the bears might be with the this was that this is not vic fangio steep pets. You know it's supposed to be it's supposed to be the same guys was to be but but it isn't really I wouldn't go crazy on because also when you're playing a team whose offense is now functioning the way the bears is it gives you are more opportunities But it's it's almost exactly what we thought the upside of the fear of the rams would be and the downside ground game. How worried should we not terribly. I don't think i think so. Michelle will be a will be a big fit or good fit. When he gets more more carries henderson is okay. It's a scheme driven offense. Thank which and that's in. The scheme should fit so in shell better than the one new england rent zone zone blocking schemes to the man elaborate. Why why would they see him better than near. He goes because new england. It's run to the whole in. This runs his face. I run to run today. Line look look and one one cut through. I think the shell will be more comfortable with that refunded. Interesting that Romande stevenson got revenge race. Yeah exactly didn't get much more so you treat that scour he's having of course i naturally drafted him in mind. Fantasy just moments before inch valley. Mike on the on the on twitter action. What was the over under. On how many tweets. He was smashing out on sunday night. Was it a hundred four. There wasn't that many what they did. They came in bursts where i actually settled down in watch for a little while i find red zone very frustrating for that because as you're tweeting and missing whatever it is going to next the next and the problem will red zone. I always is that you only get most of the time one chance to see something. Yes so when there's a penalty you rarely get would be played shows you whether it was. It wasn't a penalty obviously more and more important today than we about the substance in doubt. Let's just get to the next day. And then i get so involved in like listening to dump things get said being being waldorf up in in the boxing phase with the late night games. Where where i guess of. Early era calls and twits because it would have been air. Ish twits that you would be just typing away to lives tweets as they were coming in while the gay was going god. Just get three buzz. If doing that. I used to say we'd better. We'd better watch to get even whether you were doing that. Even when look like he spent while you are spending x. number minutes like tapping away fast short acerbic responses. You still completely on top was up your this great israel just to get this criteria ignace. I was watching both disabled deep multitasking. Bay imagine what i could do if i could actually touch time. They never taught us tightening of in those days in the days the typewriters. Yeah rams i think rams and niners showed us pretty much exactly what they are and seahawks remember their new. No-one seems today much of this But their new offensive coordinator changing and and from the rams in all the sudden they looked like taking offense rather than rather than like run run. Okay russian help toured with. I just wanna stick on Get the best perspective that because they while like the forty niners did with with trae lots wheeled in just in fields to pinch hit in a different kind of way of course but nevertheless adequately effective way we saw that suited degree with tastes and the latter arab reset the saints. Tyrod is done a few times as coming in spending what he has me the starter charges after he lost the gig. Are we gonna see this. More more in the nfl. Do you think this pinch hits in quarterback coming in at certain situations or is it just a frequent to the sets in a sense probably. Yes because more. Young quarterbacks are being thrown in earlier And there is a big adjustment. Adjust trump so said the forty niners. tooting garoppolo. Ed and trae lance lance took for right. I mean yeah. He threw a touch brands with water. But which is great. You know an absolutely great if you could use it as a change of pace on booklets i actually. It's funny i would've. I was going to write a piece for gridiron about quarterback tubes because the you know the bulk is i think is a bill parcells quote. You have to starting quarterback any any right. That's not true. I and i said the error you know we can do a top ten. He said who they be. And i got aid. I did off. The top of my net. Making a top would be hard. But they couldn't find any art on some whatever picture service that he didn't photographs in these guys going back to buy right obedient worth so. Yeah so that that's probably gonna be a dead duck unless somebody else is interested in so never question coming your way at high. I often off the obvious. Mike as well. No but fields. Everyone's saying go preseason. When does he get the gig. Baz fans ceo. We'll chat with gregg rosenthal on the show lost we can. He said he's still pretty raw. Let's not get carried away but given the way the offense paid which wasn't terrible terrible but it didn't have the x factor. How long do you think before they they commit yet to me. The king is you know. They drafted a tackle. And he's out for the season in st Jason peters these now with a calf injury is given his history They jason peters has an injury history. Because i think because jason pierce had the bulking up tight ends tack away back started screw. Interest is always. Have these this injuries. Then they brought in a merry room and the rookie here. The here zank. So if they're opposite line is no better than it looks against the rams in ramseyer tump asking their wives. I think you'll see feels earlier. Rather than later. because he can move. Yes in the pocket and you might be able to get alive longer than than the that would be worried that that throwing into the though they if they make that move well. Yeah but they may not have a chance. And that's that's the thing and and nowadays when you draft a guy like that is very few teams that can draft a quarterback early and then keep him on the bench rhino at as the momentum builds to to play it. I mean i naturally you can do it now. That's the one best interesting part because of the first round rookie contract. She actually afford to do. You should knocking big money. But teams don't are are loads to. Okay let's move green bay which we've already refugee. Show a stroke from them. As i tweeted as i tweeted this morning. Aaron rodgers pointing. He says i'll take embarrassing. Losses for thousand dollar yeah q. The jeopardy gags fly around left right and center. He felt to me at one point earlier. When it was going for bats was reminded me of the bad agent. Cooper from the new series a twin peaks roaches do. He he looks so petulant as these long and you know. Mammoth fleur the weird thing. Jimmy was watching it. Their offense looked like it. Was mike mccarthy back in you know it. they didn't. It was very little imagination. And they gave up on the run very early on and it was a series of and and the key to this game though and he every put everything into perspective. The i hadn't realized i kick myself are not realizing with the saints requested jacksonville reason because rogers's never played well in florida and it's true and why not the was. That was the thing. I think the heat is having and the fat guy on the packers line and line is not ready. You know we we think of them always having a good offensive line. Rogers generally makes it look a little bit better and the young players have not quite been coached to big ready But the real the real thing is it was it was up front that game one by the saints. Their offense of line played very well Against against the packers. I didn't think the packers needs to be more aggressive than they were kind of like a much more than less joe berry The key play the gateway not the key player in the game because they were losing their one. Chance to get back in the game. Was that horrible roughing. The passer call various smith when they finally get some fresh and Of the smith brothers was the one. You didn't have great nausea. He does everything exactly right. If it hitting quarter avoids voids there goes goes with the shoulder yet. In the middle of the chest doesn't slam that our guest push it yet. Nato the plan. I even carreira was brought in and said he was flabbergasted. Yeah you talk about the saints line. You make a great point that because it was ugly on both sides of the booth the green bay and they couldn't get any pressure a tool. Winston was pressed on just four of twenty drop. So the to obviously insulated. You know the defense playing poorly pressure on the offensive force. The issue had the red zone. Pick as well but on the on the packers offensive line because this is an interesting stop producer all dugout a for nfl next. Jonathan rogers competed as four fifteen when he had more than two and a half seconds to throat which i thought was interesting that on the offensive line. It's really interesting. Because that's the key. The gang the saints basically played may add coverage the whole game and and and when he wasn't in the slot they had a lot of war on seattle's their secondary played bryant. But rogers didn't have people to throw to. Everyone was man covered man cockerpoo. Well he had to consistently make really good throws just to get minimal minimal yard and to me. That was the key to gate. Now the pressure help obviously And you don't get the you don't get that kind of coverage without being able to get. But i would've loved j. mrs stats. If he hadn't completed that lasts such as the air. Because he would have had four touchdown passes on less than one hundred countries. Ya he would. It would would have been beautiful. Waste comeback player of the year mike. Shortly after that he could he could. Well be although we forget he. He was mistake pro. Obviously in tampa last year in tampa went seven. Nine hundred thirty touchdown. That's over five hundred yards. He just had. And i was looking you know. Look at the receivers for new orleans. Michael thomas is thomas. Is there devante right in high draft right trae. Quad smith is out Rask the guys are all undrafted. Free agents who they signed himselves calloway. Joe johnson diatta harris from assumption college and newell jordan. Humphries chris hogan from the league older had a td catch. I mean and he was. He's one of the few was was time gumri. Dx packer mishota. Randall comes back at greg. Jessop say all of their guys who like other peoples undrafted guys that got released but they dropped maury maury rogers. Aaron rodgers relate to believe in around three. The west could out with. My point is being long winded as usual. My my point is that rogers's moaning about why not supporting cast. I mean we'll get new orleans and over the years as well what they've done what they've done with a supporting cast it they know. Sign out of nowhere. Yeah yeah it's it's a great point we'll on roaches and it was one of the dominant narratives of the off season of course and he looked at already alluded to as usual or off. Typically petulant south frustration. Anyway pictures maybe overstating it a bit but he looked increasingly frustrated in overdrive afterwards along before he's done before he's traded. How much should we read into. How bad the performance was from pakistan and given roaches temperament. generally at the best of times going this season. Could you can see it'd be all unraveling or are we going to be back to normal next week. The packers rack up thirty eight point in motion. And that set on that. W- what's your instinct. I think they'll probably be back especially when they get into their division which the vikings look under. What look underwhelming against cincinnati. Yeah the i i hate. I only say we always do. I hate to be a psychiatrist or therapist. All but raji. I wonder if this constant not always stated but moaning about what's around and the visual throwing the geyser under the bus. This facial expects yet k. Destroyed hide it just some kind of effect on the on the rest of the t. You know i mean you realistically. He's your star quarterback. He's one of the great sin. And you know you have to cut him some slack. I do think. I mean the packers should win that division going away even day stubble they just assuming We assumed too much for them in this game but if they weren't if they did the smart thing to do would be to on will rogers. Yeah before the season two team in desperate need a quarterback denver interested now the way that teddy played i was saying i i couldn't understand why even controversy teddy was such a good If their defense is going to be as good as potentially could jeff what you want is a guy next good decisions throw the ball away too much you can keep place live at the to which is teddy bridgewater to and you know. He's kind of on comeback It's interesting that in new orleans c. What five of those starter showed showing. How would say easy. It is but how sean payton can make wipro. It's easy quarterback he didn't play badly and carolina wasn't allowed around in actually christian. Mccaffrey got hurt. Zanu whole new system. So i wasn't surprised in the least nine denver over the giants like i think anybody anyone saying probably wounded. Although the giants at home is always. Then you'll jones could have a big game now. So i didn't you use to be saquon. Barkley provided the actually just the who when we were predicting on The edge rusher. And you just reminded me that matilda. The cat made how i appearance history very similar to rufus is cameos and we would suggesting and she was very big on the falcons. Which in retrospect was maybe not the hottest. take birds. This this this this does make sense. we were looking at it. Mike and producer all. And i think he that maybe we can get rufus and the cat together for fun. You can't tell you exactly what would happen. I don't more not but rufus will walk into the room and then go and freeze. I just point and stare and the cat it. She's a it's a normal cat. Show july either. Just go yes andro to walk away slowly. I can't be bothered. That's like a great show. i think we should. We should explore. Might let's browse next as shootout as we expect you drink. Wasn't that a great a great game. The chiefs winning it but a lot of positive for the browns to take from that. Not least i think might the composed performance from baker mayfield. Because i think any look for organization that is laden with talent. If you're thinking about a deep playoff run even a super bowl run still feels that mayfield's the biggest question right but he. He looked on point. Sure i'm not sure about that Because i thought last year he played pretty well and and he plays within what they want to do. Obviously they miss o b j Because when he's back again he's he's not what. ob jay was what he's a receiver. They can't do everything. Jarvis landry. he'd liked Vicky cam bounceback back in this year. I mean eat we do. I think to the used to the level of being a good contributor. Maybe not to being the superstar. But they don't need him to do that. They really want to have just need to have multiple options on multiple levels And i think this kind of fourth quarter thing of not being able to control a homes and then you make a mistake and you can Is what they need to overcome. They brought in secondary help in the on season to stop was seventy five yard message to kill and it was like the one in the super bowl. Forty yard against san francisco long throws up a giant but kills the only one in position to see it and make the catch and it was a remarkable play. I thought you know what was the league. Twenty twenty to ten. I think they let it. Were you know. I'll tell you that you know against the cheech and figure i should be able to to hang onto it Now granted they didn't have to read. Matthew frank clark's their defense. Should you know I really think that this is. This is the dream match-up afc championship because of the offensive possibilities In both in both teams. I'm not saying cleveland. Cleveland going to get snapped climate. But i think in terms of either a tight game like this which actually it wasn't a shootout but it was still a sixty game you know and and but it didn't feel like shoot it out like you know like the game against new orleans ago change for That's why i thought it was just brilliant. I wanna keep more on the. You'll point in terms of depth. You mentioned with the browns than e becker to step up and that's a fat point even quote. I've already seen one or two hot takes this morning on the chiefs in particular suggesting. That isn't enough input from the supporting cost. I want to know whether each wheel cast today talking about well mccaw hall but i guess Very quaint tyree can kelsey a racket up. Almost three hundred yards three and touch. Does that matter. Well look at the super bowl. And the answer's yes dutt's what what the super bowl game plan was to. Some extent was was to deny tyreek hill. Any any deep trunk and control kelsey in the middle give him catches but not let him gain yards after the catch in the middle and i said increase in my in my previous calls that they need like so many teams they need another seaver co hardman. Is it useful player. But he's not real good second choice auction to hill because his skill set is roughly the same skills but not as good. I mean people think of as a burner but he can make contested catches. You can catch low middle. It'd be it that's what you do hardman's not quite net. Good be nita's sammy. Watkins emmanuel sanders kind of kind of player and they haven't been able to find what they could also use a second tight end receiving option. What adding due to tight end maupin says. I'm not sure. I think the question is war. One on the offensive line might just be that they have worked together. But i and the the right tackle rookie last year but the play now season Got badly a couple of times. and orlando brown. Looked very slow as well. They both they both Steve well that's where the money's money's coming over says what what are. The things are already showed up in the in the off season site on that an interesting. You touched on mike how long. It's a realistic amount of time. When you've got such a different cost characters on that line for them to jail what should it be good question and and it becomes a little bit difficult because the homes is so good in the breakout. You know it covers up back. Wide may not quite a gel. They do rookies free. If you out the act like you ought to be. I'm not sure the Issue or not while to new guys -tuni- and Ground -tuni- had a bad. Yeah so yeah they. They need on paper. I was saying this looks like a great one and dubernard tardy. Is there a play guard. It dispel of smith rookie. Doesn't doesn't go. Well if they wanna move to much tackle will never long. Yeah i would. I would say you know the month of september when you find these things out. This has been echoed by a lot of coaches in various ways and. I don't think i didn't hear anyone using excuse. Certainly not belgian. When i heard the interview complaining before the game i mean before the end of preseason that they would only have eight days context training camp and we exhibition games which is not nowhere near of get. Yeah you can't you can't get the timing walkmans mind. If you're not playing against alive defensive right you can go through all. You can't figure out how to make to make works And you know. We saw a lot of chief. Fumbles the ad i'm not. I'm not blaming that on all eight. Eight games content to be available. Yeah that's a really good point. There was a lot of Rough around the edges support three or four of those games pretty much decided decide to gibson's horrible was it wasn't In the cincinnati gain cooks for most key one on the patriots had had to keep on both the cost. They had four couples altogether. They lost two in one of them literally costs the game so yeah there they were reports. Aides were almost were a nature major. Let's go to seattle. I know we touched a little bit earlier. And you mentioned shane waldron. Then you coordinator and as you quite rightly said everything's there's a lot more balanced to be precise twenty-three posse attempts twenty six on the ground. I mean that's the definition of balance. Pretty all four of seattle down touchdowns in the app mike so far so good donor. A lot of people. I think have been sleeping on seattle going. That was the sequel that none of the original cost. I particularly the defense. We saw them improve lost season as as the year went on and love the diggs. Jamal adams tan the overall unit. What's the call soon grade based based on again small sample size. What you saw last night. I liked it. I liked him. A lot of. 'cause indianapolis is is still a good defense and the russell wilson it should be said it is now six zero career charleston wentz. They really seem to to make his like difficult mentally duri during that game. But i think saddle is. There is a really good team And back division is a really good division because even the that steam could beat you. as arizona showed you know can and kyle murray and with game so yeah i three playoff teams in the nfc. West would not surprise me. Actually but which. Three mike off there are zone as i said her. Update were at least the fourth that steve. And we'll see we'll see what happens tennessee's defense was supposed to be better this year. It didn't look. That didn't plan does thinking but i was watching Passing west because we watched meet the parents the other day the for the first time with the kids right. What of my favorite lied forgotton is when early on and for those of you out there. But if you haven't haven't for a while ben stiller's character is is a nurse much to the amusement of petero at it's fabulous doctors at the line is is his fiancee. Says ben rear recently transferred to triage and bligh the goes. Oh is that better than a nurse watching costs. i was thinking better than better than it. Was he better than we expected causing. What's everybody was expecting to cup. The joint was whence better than most people thought you would be last night. No no i think he was. He was sort of what he is And the idea. The idea is frank reich. We'll bring him around in. We'll see the winds pre pre injury. So i'm not sure that we will see pre injury. Let's put it this way needed to see evidence of that. I think against against seattle. He still looks a bit hesitant decisions. I think that's the that's the key part war than accuracy or the not and you could write that off injury them. I guess if if ben's still his had a job be nfl tv athletic. i right It's a great film live. San francisco was nuts. Dot least you'll notice mike but some of our listeners out there might have caught the line closed eight and a half san francisco Back to me was the ultimate dan campbell gate if you knock astound. We're going to bite you out the need for good right. Your needs as i said at the time to do that. You have to be on the ground you'd have to be knocked to the ground and all we almost dead and that's exactly what this game was a lot of garbage time stuff going on in the in the games around league of your number of scores a lot closer than the names action it works and this was one of them. Help by depot scandals fumble the gauge. But what a what did they played hard. It will say oh. They played hard were. They came back with the game was good me. It's francisco's switched off all at vote. They'd want it or should lines funds take positives from that because they were. They were the fads in the stadium of bullying team. Within the first half of the first game of the season was keeps going horribly wrong and that comeback puts a bright. I did they can take some hope from it Jared goff looked pretty. Good it pretty much what you might expect on that team You know he made one. He had one back door we got it is his armed it the you get the helmet one of what i mean. That's the problem. He's always had problems in the pocket pocket presence basically and still wants to force the throws walk it collapses around and that's been that's been his weakness come which is why they to get But the san francisco team that cut through them. Didn't you know wash mostert. He had eleven yard one nine yard learning. That was it. You could be out a long time to You know they bled big let of running backs there But they they didn't really have an answer for san francisco's benson. Yeah you could stay. They just stems just tired. Didn't want to show them anything new. Why put more stuff my game state when you and And i didn't see. I didn't see apart from the. The defense looked not much quicker than had with matt patricia. I do know. I should note the trey. Flowers made the big play games. Knocked the ball away from libo samuel. He stated never to be recognized as a really great defensive player because of the situation that he's been involved himself in you know in new england was like most players williams eight part of the. He's not he's not putting like a channel jones for example in the In the place to be edge rusher getting colds at saks. He's he's a peaks plays on some grass lines. So we'll see just jbc shoveling up the hates as well after the worst possible start but that was a composed performance from him. Let's because we got a couple of other key things. I want to run through before we get out of dodge jain mike. Let's talk about maybe the upset of the week pittsburgh over over buffalo. We call it that it was a pretty good upset. You know and and the funny part was kapit about any. So why do you want pittsburgh. Yeah i mean. But i think we all could forgotten about pittsburgh statements right love and one of the things i mentioned about buffalo was that they did tend to score fewer points against good defenses and still win because their defense played so well they could win with twenty points or seventeen sunk remember the game even against doing last year means low scoring games not very good patriots team. And that's kind of what pittsburgh mike The first app was incredibly all look exactly like than against them. Cleveland in laos last year. Yes and then and then in second athlete came out and josh allen never adjusted they never just pitch the defense They pretty much pressure on him and benches placing pressure with. They blitzed his twice. Yeah well know on. Jj watt comes off the edge without it being called blitz necessarily because the washer at once or twice he was on tiger. Instances bad Right now but hayward at a great game at defensive end and that's the key when you're running three four offense defense if you get your if your ends have any impact apart from occupying blockers for the outside morning backwards than your way. Your way ahead gave Well ben would then just stand there in and look around. He was only basically throwing me shortstop almost whole game. But he's gotten receivers go up and get it capable got had a really good game on dante. Johnson came back from the injury and may brilliant catch on the one on the actually through. They weren't able to run the ball. Great waldo offensive line didn't look great but buffalo's not blitzing team either. They brought in grass countries. They didn't really have much of that. And ben ben looks like a sumo wrestler now go to absorb shocks also the steelers style. One of my favorite players. Christly harvard The name like Thirty not be a plunger. A wide receiver a quarterback or or else he should be like the npr deport. Quick line on the rookies making competitive starts travel. Wilson amac jones of course jones. Let's power right. The by mike his most likely to go to the is obviously has to be number one because he played a stay up game for the patriots. It wasn't moment in that day which entry caught on jones comes out. It's a third down and The dolphins are are going to blitz from his left side. It's really love miss. They've stack he doesn't see it because he and they won. The patriots ran a suite that side swans to the hammerings harris harris. Not not that. This is the difference between having rookie quarterback in having tom brady is brady comes out lies to look around. He's gonna see that it's not know what's going checks play on their own. Jones hasn't reached that level yet. Obviously i gave as one game as the reason little citing settled. I wouldn't read too much. I don't you know he wasn't world-beating that i expect him to be right. No way no. I think they've got worried about. Is trent around. If he's out What that does off line. Karen seem to play well. But you know not not quite well enough. It was a game. They had one they. They should have one. Miami miami is very situational was very ride for as little. Ray look good on the. I drive a good beginning of half guy on both sides of that they were gay and We interested in action should have pretty much sealed that game. Then you've got the other the other fumble so Mac it's interesting. It's interesting that he was playing against. Sam darnold because my take was that. Sam darnold zach. Back zach By by got rid of. Sam darnold enwrapped. The guy boasts likes about of course in the in the pre. That wilson was incredible lights out in the game. No i mean he he still got. I'd get a very weak team headed in the right direction. Meanwhile at carolina. I think joe joe. Grady is going to have an ed coach john next year if if sam darnold plays any any better than he did with the jets. Tom and he looked like he would in that day. I think they were another team. That was the nineteen fourteen game with but really they took care. Yes whenever we like. Nineteen so whenever gonna lose out ever will travel on mixed bag for him. Emit very mixed bag. Tyrod taylor double thumbs up for him. Exactly what tyrod. Taylor is kind of like teddy bridgewater in that sense. He doesn't process since quickly as water but he controls away. Too often doesn't make aah decisions. Just make slow decisions but against jacksonville. That didn't matter defense. Didn't really who have much fight against him. Trouble warrants made. Some nice throws some really nice lows looked like a rookie quarterback in A macho whatever myers doing. i admired. Shoes i your daughter fat. I know but if it's a good point actually the to bring this full it. They ridiculousness of overreacting too much. But if you if you put in to a computer program show me. What a prototypical wigwam rookie quarterback performance would be for talented at falco. To back you'd see what we saw with travelers straightway. Really really and again that that that conundrum have rookie quarterback's to the best ones tend to go to war states. Right make slight adjustment. Justin hard and in urban meyer. You had the hot shot. College coach the creative mind. Very smart coach always been able to use his facilities. Who gets to play. Some easy games gets to recruit while that kind of stuff against a guy with no head coach experience. The longtime coach basically houston team did what they had to do. They kind of took jacksonville. Gave them and Hurry times trip. Lurks get sexually explicit. 'cause i saw list of last ten quarterbacks in the nfl scott cac caxtons at very very keen on dredging out statue stats what this was one of. The last ten quarterback shen were sacked six times in the first. Nfl start rookie next going. Back to bobby oiling. The best one of the bunch is probably should couch car to car. Gonna say we're we're tyrod address was no. He didn't get sacked six times for start Pat ramsey bobby layman dan or lonski any donald huskies kaiser basque's really good jazz founded former them and miami. That's for sure. So as we that i think for. Well i guess with zach. Wilson apps disappointing performance. The other. two as you're crazy call of the day for me. I might was the justin but fumbled through the back of the end zone. I thought that was ridiculous. That that that is that is that was given us a fumble because he got a vague touched. Yeah i agree with you And you know match. Think about that game changes you know. That's nice washington With heineke who who reaches the parts other backup stove is actually you know did pretty well but to me. The surprising thing was that defense didn't do more against the chargers. And of course that fumble by giga changes today completely attitude injuries You know that that was one of those odd games and makes it really hard to read into because it goes through little. We'll rakes you know you hope to go back and forth in miami game. More of one of the key plays was one on. i think it was second five with the patriots. Stopped wind scrimmage. The they got four yards. Because the pile moved you know was like wall and they pushed pushed was gaskins back. They pushed him another three yards and three the third one war. I looked at all. 'cause i say why don't they call this. The rule says quote. It is illegal for offensive player tomato water in advancing the wall for now putting aside the you can't dance the ball in any direction other than Ask why is that. Never call Maybe it's the individual because there are a few of them. That's how they the whole event and i notice because center. Miami centered. came out limping from that. Because this is what happens. Everybody's pushed forward and and your team on your list But it is a rule and it's completely ignored and the should like emphasis on if that's if that's what they want to do Incident you on fits. He's having an mra hit the serious and he's he's old enough to get a replacement hip. Hfs yeah and just one thing before we leave. And i know we've got one more to the standing rookie debate. Was mike. Parsons yes last thursday. Night game yeah. He will all the love for him. He's the hard knocks bounces while which utensils. i think. Look through a bit of filter at plows on how she producer was making this exact point that you play. Doctor you start to drink the kool aid a believe but he's actually living up to living up to that billing so it's good to see before we get out of out of dodge. I'm mike we wanna raise glossed. At one of the great stairs left us mic tingle. Have hall of famer. Tell about him and mick. Jingle hawk was a center for the vikings on those really good biking teams that went to four super bolts. Did win any coming out of college. They actually draft. They didn't draft signed. One graft is linebacker rask in play that. He said his family didn't want him to go to college. 'cause into work on the farm football he'd never made the negative link with but he's he was the center on. That team was only two thirty five or so Which even in those days was fairly small center and he didn't get into the hall and he had finally use i e walbro five times. I think let six Whatever certainly the stats to justify going to all go pain until the veterans committee voted in primarily because in the for super bowl. I one they lost to cheats. The cheats realized that minnesota offense running run. I kind of office was day on getting out center and control the middle linebacker and member for the vikings most as you playing against some really good middle linebacker not least stick walkers skate in joe schnitt you know in in that division. And they had really. Who's a really good middle linebacker So what they did was playing on front which meant that. On every play he had either buchanan. Six hundred seventy to eighty five minutes or curly. Call six one two hundred seventy five in a college wrestling stars and very move but he had one of them over him which meant that. Linear was protected. The vikings guards couldn't get to him before he would read the play and make plays on and that was the one of the secrets to the cheap success. And the blame was put on tangle forgetting dominated by these guys on top of a great game plan would certainly didn't do enough so will offset everything else. He did as as a player. And i think that stuck with him for the years when he was eligible and finally the veterans committee voted. She should have been been years years before. And you know thankfully before he He died from parkinson's and symptoms announce senator signal unfortunately before he reached that he wasn't able to really appreciate it so you have classes raised eligible and did well said. I am a way to end the episode greater. Catch up with you on mike. Always a pleasure show more sunlight in my room. She hey we can work on that. We'll get we'll get calls the makeover show. Because we've got the cat on mic makeover. Yeah i always thought. Home makeover shows just slap few kansas farrow and ball on it. You'll make a massive thirty five thousand five grand moise grant thirty grand war. Thought i'm thinking there was a shy right here. That's on the treatment. Look at causing sports. I can follow mike on twitter the over under next sunday one hundred and fourteen makes it out of. Maybe i'll have a beer beer. Red zone goes down. I'm going to bite whatever it's actually. We see each other thursdays. So gonna yeah. I'll bring a car. That's your red zone. Claret about eight fifteen. So get ready frisky. Of course mike call them amongst the things that he does patron dot com ford slash mike. Carlson f. m. t. e. Go check that out heartily personally. Recommend it coffee yourself yourself. Okay you to remind. We're back later on this week. Previewing the week to action drop in an edge rush to some. Make sure you subscribe to us. See what miss an episode rolling all the way through the season on social as well at the nc show facebook. Instagram twitter all inaugural get busy now working out the mathilde and rufus shows expect that coming your way soon as well. 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Conference Championships Preview

The Nat Coombs Show

48:31 min | 8 months ago

Conference Championships Preview

"Hello and welcome to the show on. Espn in association with bet fred gang. We've got to brilliant guests coming your way. We get you set for the championship. We can phoebe shikha friend of the shows but a time of course with the buffalo bills organization. As part of their coaching set-up. she's out in the states at the moment she's going to give up close and personal insight into some of those bills superstars including josh allen. Sean mcdermott and help us understand. What makes them tick and why they are doing what they are doing. This season grades catch up with phoebe. As we preview the bills chiefs game with her but leading off making a welcome return to the show. He is one of your favorites one of mine as well from around the nfl. He's the hero that his greg rosenthal. Rosenthal is good to see. Although i feel like i've seen a lot of you because every sunday to do my radio show you crop up every single water the seventy four screens in the studio on sunday. Why i'm glad so. You keep every single screen on sky. Sports and neil reynolds. You just like keep. Keep an eye on the competition deep. Seated anchorman thing that main reynolds is coming on or off in the red zone and for them at the sky gay but you always look at sharp as well in particular night dropping your west ham number ten hours show. I like to see that. I wish i wasn't like unlocked. In right now or else. I would go over to the closet and get it for you yet. But they're like one of their. Pr sent me a nice personalized jersey. Look at what you've done. It was you who really started the west ham Fandom that that. I have now and look at them now in the top. What are they seventh or eighth threatening. It's a coincidence that i don't think it is a coincidence. Ever since you've been on board things have been looking up. That is maybe one of the things. I'm proudest all the all all done over the years getting you on board the west time train i think could be top. Fly top five moment. I mean i as a patriots fan was a time i was i was looking for some mediocrity to root for that. Winning was too much. Fat definitely landed with with with heston. Hey another thing that flashed up as is often the way. If you using an ios device right you get flashed up memories and pretty much year to the day you will get. We'll take a week or t we're in miami. Of course the super bowl and those of we went out for dinner on a saturday. A whole bunch of us and you look western. The three of us took a shot that we then. I think i captured on social media soon afterwards that it looked like we were either was a transatlantic buddy cop or created or a top ten hit in the nineties that were reforming for the money. So what. I can take the band. Yeah there's something that would you know. I love that super bowl. Miami was one of the best cities to be man. That's feels like a long time ago but yeah there is some sort of to every outdoor pictures you take in. Miami feels like a leftover from like a cop drama that lasted that the tape the pilot but it didn't get picked up like five by boorda jacket at that week that i wore on super bowl. Sunday to bro. Cost the game and it's been in my wardrobe of a since that i will possibly never wear it again. I mean come on the the next super bowl in miami going. Do on another time when we're allowed to go to these things again. And they'll be vintage retro hipster. That'd go all right. Well speaking of the super bowl. Let's let's look at the pack is bucks game with the in particular. Right is brady's fourteenth conference title game. my god that makes me feel that because with the patriots his Incredible i mean just the ridiculous numbers ready to keep on rolling. Where if you being season festival with the with the brady tampa flow chart right because it just seems to have rolled from extremes world hates his early on the knives are out the some of them are still not buying toll. The other extreme is that everybody's buying this brady bucks offense. The defense is bowling. And they've got a real shaw beaten beating the pakistan. Where have you been on the brady tampa era. I've been on the more optimistic side ever especially since that first packers game. That was really it. Because i wrote a column i remember right after. That was which was you know. They won that game. Thirty to ten. And i in their defense had been playing so all the time and i said okay. Well the expectations like if they weren't there before this is a team that can win the super bowl like it's just clear like after high end they can win the super bowl now. Watching them has been frustrating. 'cause they've been so consistently streaky within games trend within the season there ext extraordinarily streaky. Where it's kind of like bruce arians their head coach and then also the defensive coordinator todd bowles. They're i think they're both boomer bus guys so when it goes well they look unstoppable for fifteen thirty minutes at a time and then it can just look terrible. The defense has definitely stumbled down the stretch overall. I am not as high on them. and then the offense can can look incredible in sections but i will. I'm an analytics in. I like the advanced metrics and they were always so high on the bucks now as one of the top five teams in the league. So i feel like it's been been justified now that we're here and they're still they're still remaining. I think you're spot on the data particular. Because i think there is a an easy trap volunteer with the bucks. Probably because as you say so bruma bust when they bust the style of the offense. And it's something i've been ranting on about apology solicitors. If you're hearing this for the fifty seven signed the season but because they are brady's quite static quarterback in relative terms because they're not because we're in the era of homes and stuff mcveigh's dialing up a motion and jet sweeps and because they're not like that when it's going wrong. It just feels quite archaic outmoded. Isn't it that that's right. I do think they came out of their bye week. With some adjustments that have worked now schedule helped but you know that they played washington. Who's a top five defense. Lit them up. The saints gave them trouble last week. for sure. But even the falcons when they beat them twice they were playing pretty good defense otherwise they so they're they're passing a little more on early downs which i think helps and they didn't do that last week. And that was frustrating They're doing a little more play action a little more motion if you talk to the people that cover the team again. They didn't do a ton of that last week and they and they didn't look great but you're right it's kind of an old school offense like you know. Let's bomb it on third and two about running a man they. They have a lot of weapons. And i think i think the problem for green bay. I do not think the packers defense matches up. Well with this offense. Oh that's true dot more on that then because they're quite get quite good at handling the deep ball on they jottings on a particular right. The the pack is so you don't think that blessed with that. Let's start with the. I mean so many weapons e say right evans. Godwin grown scotty miller. Whoever the compensates loved doesn't play they just go overboard. Brown of course stepping in cameron bright. I mean kind of all star dirty dozen kind of vibe cost that so talk that match up. Then you think that that is just going to be overpowering for for the packers withing. The offenses are better on both sides. And we're going to get a lot of points unless the weather's just like windy and terrible. So it's it's not just the bucks. But yeah i think the packers defense is the worst group in this game you know. I think they're the least talented group if you look at the two offenses in the to defense especially in the back end. So that's the linebackers. The packers have been searching all year and then fans are like. why didn't they draft the wide receiver. How good do you want this offense to be where you're still complaining about what they really could use like a cornerback. They have gyro alexandra. Who's great I think. I think this defense can be attacked. Like almost every matchup that the packers are going to have on defense. I think is a bad one Whether it's their safety's And i think the running game for tampa has really been better lately. Ronald jones is a great runner. I mean i really think he needs to be a big part of this game plan because the packers defense hasn't been greater. Yeah well they certainly lead with the the ground against the saints and let and let it for comeback kid leonard fournette. I mean how about that he he. He's running pretty well to like. I'd rather have him be. The backup and ronald jones is getting more juice and he was just coming off an injury. But i think that's going to be important. I really do it. It was quietly. Why the rams who had no business being in that game had the ball with ten minutes left down one score and it was. It was kind of because they were. They were able to run the ball pretty well throughout the game Get into favourable yardage so if you do that with brady where you're giving him second and fives like compared to last week. I'm hoping i'm kind of giving away Rooting for here. But i'm hoping they take some of the short passes that i think the packers will will probably give them to some of the guys you mentioned. godwin over the middle braid over the middle gronk. I think they could really use antonio brown to be healthy in this game. Not sure how he's gonna look. Gimme a scotty miller greg. Every he's more of the outside the outside guys. i'm not sure they're gonna. We'll see more of the outside. With the with mike evans wouldn't surprise me of alexander just kinda down shuts down by the just back to the to the rams game what was noticeable in obviously self evidently because of the injury donald but the line without bacteria pretty funny right and everybody thought that was going to be a weakling for green bay or certainly a big advantage big edge for no pun intended. For for the rounds. But it absolutely wasn't. That didn't was one quarterback kit. So was that down primarily to the rams front losing its identity and its bouncing its rhythm because of donald or should we be looking at this pack offensive line and think well that scenario that they can escape down if they can repeat the trick against the bucks front yeah i think they'll probably dominate the packers offensive line to. I think i think the the packers offensive line will that will be able to win this match up watching them at the end of the season. I know they haven't big names. Jason pierre paul and check their but they haven't been as as productive. They're struggling to get pressure without blitzing. And you mentioned the packers align with bacteria. Well they had the week seventeen game without him to against the bears and they did a great job and and you know a lot of protection is about the quarterback. And i think rogers and brady make their lines look good. Seems like they both have well coached groups. That packers line's been as good as any all year. And you're right. I mean a it hurts to lose a great left tackle. It's a factor. But i i still look at that overall matchup and to me. They have corey. Lindsey who's who's an all pro type of guy. They're they're pretty good on you. Know they're on the right side like they. They should win that battle. I think both offensive lines should win it. We used it. We were hearing just last year. Like oh defensive lineman all of the edge right now. You're seeing like you see three. Really good offensive line's remaining. I'm throwing the bills in there too. Yeah okay onto will jump back to the game. You're right about the thirty eight ten win. I mean to that point. The the bucks made hake the packers lined that day right that was a key part of it five sacks and i really want to get your take on how important that game is women looking at this one because if we draw parallels with the bucks getting torch by the saints weeknight time whatever it was and then we look at what happened last week. How much stock should we place in a game. That happens midseason. I'll little bit not a ton. Some of the individual matchups were are instructive. It's gotta give the some confidence i mean. They are the one the one team that confused rogers all year he made a couple of bad throws it was kind of until i mean it was his one really bad game. I am so afraid of rogers. If i was the box that it's almost like well. You just showed up your best stuff. You'd write these kinda fall for it again why And that's the boom or bust approach bowls blitz the heck out of them which is not normally the idea that you wanna do against rogers but but it worked in. You just gotta figure they're not gonna do the same thing they're going to have to come up with a different plan and i don't think their defense is plane as well right now just overall as it was then that that is my concern with the bucks coming into these last this game and then the next game if they made it to it was that they're they're probably going to give up thirty points. Vis-a-vis might be back there right. They're saying yeah which. Be a big plus the suiting up. And then you've been out for seven eight weeks. Be what shape. He's going to be in. Yeah he could help though. I mean he's a great run stopper. He he pushes you know if he was anywhere where he was at the beginning of the season that would be a major development. But they're run defense who has which has great stats overall. Hasn't been as good either the last five or six weeks. So it's funny. Matt lafleur you got the mvp with aaron rodgers. Everyone's wide open for iron rod. But they're they're really run heavy. You know they really keep they stay balanced and so they're running. Backs are playing great. And so i. I kind of repeating myself from the bucks side by gary. Jones is going to be huge factor. I think the running gears were both teams are huge factor. Because that's what they're coaches want to do. Yeah that's what they did loss around right. Somebody described it Ominously for the bucks talking about rodgers' performance in the last round. I guess collectively the the packers offensive performance as just devastatingly patient. I think was the worst attack that they use breath thought. Yeah that's absolutely right. Yeah he like he hasn't had to be that fancy for block of a better word like he hasn't had to have those second reaction crazy. Rogers plays like he makes a couple of them. Every game that that throw he made out of his own end zone was amazing last week and he had one in the two minute drive Where he was scrambling. But it's like he doesn't even need to do that. Guys are open. He looks a little more like later. Career tom brady Just making the right decisions and not needing to rely on you. Know crazy athleticism. It's scary. i mean he's like he's on top of the game so that's why it's hard to pick against him right now. I'm still doing it. Yeah seem so. Yeah that you're you're leaving to. You think you bucks are going to get it done. I mean i'm. I'm picking them by a point. I think it really is a coin flip. I don't see the packers of some major favour. Give him a tiny bit of edge that they're at home but but the bucks defense. I give a little bit of compared to the packers defense. They do have a few more playmakers. I think on the bucks defense and again. It's the boomer bus thing. Whether it's in the secondary or not devon white. They could give up a big play but they seem a little more likely to make that game. Changing defensive play and going back to my old arena. Football league like when there's no defense whichever team has like a little bit of defense makes like one or two big play like a lot of times. That's the team that wins. I give them a little bit edge. I want to hear more about the rosenthal arena football out of never never. I've never heard about this. May i was at rota world. Which of course. The football site in the nbc. Or noah's even before. I think we just made some deal with the rena league where we promised to cover them and you know like they gave us money to cover them so at the cover like as if i was doing fantasy analysis for one season of watching arena. Football inside was all about it for one season. Well i wasn't. I was forced to be all about it. But yeah it makes you realize like if you can get one or two stops you in the game. That's kind of what this game thinks. You still taking things from that arena era. Even now reminds me that there's a great doug stanhope blind when he was talking about the earliest. Sure you will. You will love that world. who was talking about. How as he often is it does ranting about life as a startup and how object. It isn't anything else said said such but you've got fans you sell back in the day you sell. Cd's got fancy says. Yeah i've got fads arena. Football has visit great. Great okay. so that's box before we let you go. Because you're the busiest man in show. Bizz gregoire official trade month. I just want to ask a couple more questions about bits of news rivers retiring biggies because you surprised that is given the level. He was playing out this season. A little bit just because he obviously loves the game so much he was playing well. But let's into. I mean his funny. He says it's been his lifelong dream to coach. I school football. And i don't know there's some guys that say that and you're like that's been your life luxury but like philip rivers. I believe it that like he. It's meant so much to him. Playing football in the coaches that meant so He's always had that in his mind and he relocated to alabama last year with his kids his sons in seventh grade. So i think he. He is like you know planting the flag and he said he wants to go to the spring practice He's already hired is that. He's the coach he got. He got the job already. They were holding it for him. I wanna get going and his son will be at that high school in a couple of years. I buy i buy. He's one of the best man one of my all time favorites. I love i. Love love this story as well. This end of the story. I mean is absolutely terrific to see that a play doing that. Also maybe more importantly there's a reality show in that shortly which we've got to work work on the treatment. There's no unlike him though like he he might get a job. They're saying they might try to figure out something where they could use them in monday night. Football because it's like high school. Football here is on friday right. Actually the timing the timing but there's no unlike him. I mean who else was like the biggest trash soccer in the league but didn't swear you know it's like this like insanely competitive in an annoying but like everyone loved him no one really through like him you know he always went down swinging which is maybe a a strength and a fault. I also think he was like incredibly underrated. A five quarterback so many years Yes tough that's tough to do like when you look at other guys rothlisburger. Maybe but like eli matt ryan stafford like those guys weren't top five guys over and over and i think people don't realize rivers that came up a shows during the day we were talking about the inevitable is a hold of famer and for the record. I've always been. He is for those two runs and not just what he did in the games but in the playoff runs in particular in his performances on the road in those in both those super bowl win so a five six year period of condensed body of work with ultimate success. Twice i think gets the gets him over the line but for the same reason to your point. It's a bit the andy. Reid eagles right that i think underwrites it back in the day. They're always in the playoffs and and he was underrated. I think as a head coach then for being a perennial contender. Because he didn't get over the line and liquor ribs his body of work just let lasting fifteen sixteen years old. It was but as you say most years being top five top seven quarterback i think that has to count for so do you think on the on the inevitable question do you think he's the right side of the nine i do. Yeah and i. I don't think it's that close. Like i think i would put him in. You know way ahead of ui. Because you look at the. I think the best. How would measure. It doesn't seem like it's how the voters measure is just in the six sixteen game. Season is the best way to measure guys in the playoffs matter. And that's that's put into the equation. But i look at. What did you do over. Sixteen games than i definitely put a lot of weight into the fact that if you look at like the offensive line rankings in the run game rankings. That rivers had with him this entire career. It was right abysmal. unlike. I can't forget that so it's like you know those guys. I would've had rivers being better over the course of sixty sixty games than eli for instance Almost every every season eleven. Actually people ill. I was re. I mean twenty. Two thousand eight and two thousand eleven were was very good. You know a top five. I would say in two thousand and that was not a year. They won the super bowl but he he was great. But that's about it. Yeah yeah okay. What mafia the lines. Getting them man dan. Campbell is not not the most exciting pick is not the necessarily the name that lives fans wanted but then the hipster coordinated doesn't always pan out. Does it now. It's so hard to know who's going to be a good coach in it because the lions you sort of lean on well probably not. Because they've been so bad picking coaches you know it's more about the organization. They new gm nair to You know that. But he didn't choose the coach. So that's a little confusing. But dan campbell is going to be content. I mean i was just watching his introductory press conference in man. He is something else i mean. He looks like a miami beach bodybuilder. Like one he's sort of got this like intelligent sort of meat head jeff. Bridges vibe likes christening. He's great he's going to be great copy i he's gonna be great great for content. He is wild guy. Love that six. Joe judge for similar reasons. I'm a big fan of just for the. Oh by john no. I am but content wise. Dan campbell's like a next level care. Go judges like the third guy on the call. She can't campbell is the lead. he's he's going to open your movie as an action star. Joe judge's just kind of like a nice of quirky side character he called. Pd to the wire of campbell is essentially. What you're saying is great to see and shop. I should point out as well loved. That love and the cat was really. Yeah well this is like you know this is early in the morning. So this is like pre-workout. I'm going to put a hat on for your program And then go yeah. This is a yacht cooled. Swallows trump that before have a like good memory on the super bowl. What's your plans for that you're going to be you guys gonna be fellow now. We're home. I have not even been to the nfl network offices since march eleventh or whatever day we we shut down. So here's a. There's a handful of people i think going from our network but it's really small as as you would imagine small effort. Yeah you with similarly everything everything remote an ob all doing the super bowl this year. But i know you guys will be all across it. And i know a lot of our listeners. A role across your stuff so Is great to see him outlook off yourself. Come see assume you to next year. You know we'll watch a trevor lawrence game in person together. Hopefully their mock. That marquise card. Machi dario greg liquid catching up with him very very soon. Let's roll things on. Afc game bills chiefs is feeding sector too great to have you back on the show at it must be a pretty good time to be called carrying member of bills mafia. Right now yes. I am so excited. It has been just like amazing to be watching the bill though these past few weeks i mean this whole season. It's been building but now to be in the championship weekend like this. I just can't contain myself. I that's true sure of anybody. We're the best interest in the bills but particularly for you right who has been with the organization closely over over the last three or four years. You know so many. Keep attacking here you know. So many of the people involved the gema win away from the super bowl exactly and just like you said kind of emotionally invested in them and knowing these is working with them day in and day out just to see the growth in the journey that they have all individually beyond been on but then as a collective. You know what coach mcdermott said from the very beginning about pulling everyone together and bringing them in the same direction and now to see his vision really coming to life and all those pieces fitting together for years in i mean what an incredible feats and and just you know so much like incredible like love and attention to the details and and what organization. Let's drill down a bit more on that festival. Then right so we eddie coach that goes into a job in the. Nfl has the same game plan. They want to create success. Obviously they want system their identity on an organization. They want to have the the bill. Walsh blueprint of from top to bottom. This is how we do things here so took through in a bit more detail. Those details that you mentioned about coach mcdermott. What has he managed to do so successfully. How is he managed to put together an and pick up a team that was struggling and tun into a super bowl contender. Yeah and one of the first things that he did when he got the buffalo with he brought everyone together so not just your staff not just your your players and coaches and things like that. He brought cafeteria staff your ticketing office. You know literally anybody who works for the bills organization. He pulled everyone together and he let them know what his vision was the standard that he was expecting and that he wants everyone in the same boat pulling in the same direction. If you weren't interested in it that's fine. But this is what this team is going to be going forwards and it's really helpful to have that buy in from the top down so from the owners to the head coach. Then writing that through to the coaches the coaches that are with these players every single day of the ones that are really going to have to be pushing that messaging across once you then from there can identify a leader within the players. Now you've really got the ball rolling because you need that. Buy in from one of the main players to really carry your message across in the locker room behind the scenes when it's not just in the classroom and they've done a great job. I kind of think of it like when you have a garden you plant your seed. You know there are some weeds that pop up that you have to get rid of. But it's all about getting that guarded beautiful flowers that grow in the end. I think we're finally seeing that. Now of all the love and attention with the watering and feeding our garden but now we get to see that with with where they are and what they've accomplished there. Are you know they're all saying one not done so to james to get to. Let's talk about one of those eh. Describe josh allen has a flower baby more accurately a tree tree. But i mean he he's he's development his his blooming. Let's let's stick with the state with to culture. His extraordinary and i think it surprised most people and nobody is begrudging. How far is comedy we saying. First of all we say he's. He's a top five quarterback in the nfl right now. Yeah i would absolutely say. I mean you know. The thing is. He's finally been able to. He's always had the arm and finally really growing in the game starting to slow down a little bit for him. At first he was trying to just hold the team on his shoulders and carry them within the whole time. And that is so tough to do when you're in that leadership position because you need to have unique delegate need to spread that out. And now that he's got receivers like stefan digs cole. Lead teaching rely on them. He's got people trust around him and he's able to make much better decisions. I mean i'm sure you remember. His first couple seasons he was he was throwing the ball into double coverage us during across his body. He was only seen deep. Wasn't seeing these little short passes so now he's finally police public pieces together. And we're getting the josh allen that we all knew within their but we didn't actually realize. I think it would happen this quickly. A you surprised having worked closely with him and being from that stuff from when he was was a rookie. Are you surprised how quick the progression is being. I think the thing is. I knew that it was in hammond. I know lonzo organization knows that. What would the bills have done. A great job of is surrounding him with pros. So not just as coaches by bringing in people like matt barkley quarterbacks that have been in the game for a long time because he didn't know what it looks like to be a pro. What does that every experience look like. Having people like that around him to support him has been so integrated to developing him. Not just as a player but as a leader so you know. His arm is always been there and not surprised by that. I mean in walkers. I remember we would be doing walk. Throughs in a little hotel room and he would just be throwing the ball to these players like like. They're taking off his fingers. They had to guy just walking through and that was his rookie. You know when he had that power behind it. So now you've got the power the football smarts And he's just he's in love with flows in love with organization. He's really become a franchise quarterback that they drafted. Yeah it's a great point you make about my barkley backup producer and audio chatting about this earlier on in the week that last year because we were talking about on the show. I think in terms of chad henny right and saying if the just just for the sake of this anecdote if the chiefs what's it going to win the super bowl this year. Which state we want today but they were chad is going to sit there and okay. Is there anything. I had a really big pots play because obviously obviously he did in terms of what happened to the tail end of the browns game. But let us onto. What backup quarterbacks do when they don't necessarily get that opportunity it's still instrumental in in an organization. And absolutely when you've got young quarterback josh allen matt barkley's hasn't had a storied career as an. Nfl started but through usa to ten plus years in the pros. Right he is. He's he's happy happier. After just that guidance and wisdom from a lesser player ultimately the island. It's fascinating to hear the influence that he's had. What about. Brian dabbles evolution as well. There was a great article. I read this week by a radical cameron. Hogwash and writes it for the sky. Sports website is brilliant about the evolution of allen bottles also the evolution of debacle and the development that he has had a case of the stars. Aligning us the king of tennessee. Right and tannahill and how everything just fit for him in that organization at the right time. And i guess we see it quite a lot with certain with quarterbacks different situations things just work were. Maybe they haven't before is that. Is that to some degree. What's happened here that day debacle has had a credible career but nothing like this season. Right is that case of the stars align. He's got allen he's three is an assadullah say and everything. It just fits at the right time. Yeah definitely and i think a lot of that comes down to also ownership again. I mean we've seen so many corners passing through in the facts. That coach mcdermott and said we believe in you able and we want you to carry on because it would have been very easy after year two when it wasn't a great season to kind of cut it but they wanted that consistency for josh. And that was so important to make sure that he had the same coaches around him and really grow up in a nice supported environment. And you know there's been a lot of learning for for debut as well you know. He came from a system that he'd been in for years and then to come in with a brand new rookie quarterback. When you've almost working at the tom brady level. It's just not realistic to try. And install this much in that much detail and you know. I remember coach. Mcdermott coming in a couple of times having these conversations on how would we make this easier. How do we make this more digestible josh. And for the rest of the offense and so there's been a lot of growth on both sides and now they're both so comparable each other again. They've been in the same system with makes such a difference that now it's not like he's having to learn. The playbook learned the defense learn his players in personnel. While he has the playbook sides down he would like to think. You're reading from the same hymn sheet so he can almost predict what dave's is going to say to them And that's really key even even if it's offense defense whatever. It is coach. Retirement is a massive supporter of that. Making sure that front they're down. I hope that our db knows what are what leslie freezers gonna call right or you know it. I i play the game. What do we think we want from that. So if we're all on that same page it just takes away the stress and allows you to play free and klay fast. Yeah it's it's such a good point. I remember when the the this really hit me for the first time was was looking at sam. Bradford trying to walk out. Why sam bradford hadn't lived up to the expectation that that people had for him and and it goes back to situation right. He went through something like five or six different offensive coordinators in his first five or six. I mean it's just exactly the reason he said. You gotta let it. You're young quarterback your new playbook every year. It's it's ridiculous but respect for the bills and times of the continuity because it is used to be more consistent. I think the nfl than it used to be football european football way. You're cutting coaches foster. Loose in. The nfl never seemed to be like that but it starts creeping more and more and so it's great to see organizations that buy into the a continuity because look at look steelers liquor the ravens liquor the majority of the most successful teams continuity is the common thread. Isn't it. yeah absolutely. And you want that because it's so hard if you come into an organization it doesn't matter if you're in sports or business that may be there's going to be people that are existing there that have that same mindset of what that organization used to be. That perhaps aren't the right people that you want your new organization or in the new culture the now you're not you're coming in and you're trying to slowly really figure out what your identity is and that takes time and if you're only given a year per se while you're ever going to get the opportunity to bring in the people you really want the building the people that are gonna make a difference exactly all right. Let's get down to the game because we're recording the afternoon. Right so the obvious. The obvious first question is mahomes or not. It's all my sutton is going to play right. I can't imagine any scenario where he doesn't suit up. Yeah and you know. It's a really tough one right because concussions are not something that anyone wants to joke around with and if you look at what a normal concussion protocol is you're looking at two weeks of nothing no out doing anything. So the doctors have to be one hundred ten. Percents sure that there is nothing wrong that there is no you know potential damage that could further happen to home with him going back in And it's it's hard when you're talking about you know this could be the game that that makes it breaks. Your team gets you to the super bowl. I think they're going to do everything possible. I think i've seen he's been in walk-throughs So i think that's really the aim but like you said i mean any stepped up big time And and it's not yes. It is opposite a quarterback but they still have some great receivers in kansas city. You know they've got some great weapons out there that helped mahomes but we've been the whole time he's worked with them. He'll be practicing with them getting into a rhythm and timing so they're still going to be dangerous outfit whether it is at the helm honey And not someone for for the bills to sleep on it. Yeah that's a good point in if it does another doesn't stop. I think that's the absolute complacency tagalog all. It's it's it's a. It's a look now. But yeah and greg brady may and i'll show earlier on this week. That imports the week seventeen. Stop for handy just to get just to of get a no. He's getting them in training to degree but just to be in a game situation will be at one with priority. Backups around it tubs. It the game earlier in the season which was a fairly straightforward win for kansas city. Twenty six seventeen and they had a lot of success on the ground caught. Ebola was a was a big part of that. Get he might or might not start on sunday. So that's something to keep an eye on that was i guess. A result of the game plan defensively. They implemented right the bills. Saying we're going to take out. The deep threat will play too deep safeties and day to be us a different way and of course that she said okay and filled that boots on the ground looking back at the game as well not much i think any blitzing tool coming from the bills which make sense because it was dangerous to blitzer homes. We think they'll change the game. Plan defensively going into this game. I think i'll have to do a bit different. But it's making sure you don't believe in that game plan in the first instance and you know why are you going to change it. 'cause the chiefs haven't really changed their game plan. You know. yeah they probably added that more run game. But i mean we just come. We're coming out the back of playing the ravens who have a massive run game and and our defence were able to stop them then. I think it's making sure that you don't lose your identity and your yes. You're planning towards them. But you still have what you believe in when you go into it You know. I think it's just gonna be. I think it's going to be taught. I think it's going to be something where the bills are going to have to plan now for both quarterbacks to and something that kansas city does so well is being able to adjust just like you said so making sure that there is a backup plan if okay. We're stopping the run game while what are we going to do when they go to pass. Kim ganor we're going to do the to hire. We're going to go into quarters. What is it exactly that we feel is going to be the best moving forward. What are the place. That wasn't playing in that defeat earlier on the season that is has been critical to the bill successful stop. it was matt milano him coming back. That can have always keen homes. The offensive players typically apply. Matt milana can be can be crucial in this game. Connie yeah and he's got so much game smart he is such an intelligent guy He's always in the building. He studying you know is part of their dna to be in there and really always improving themselves so the communication. He's on your three working. Which main admin that relationship is well as is imperative. I mean we've just seen our defense growing strength strength throughout this whole season because they did start off a bit rocky and it was offense. That was ironically holding the fort together for but now defense has really stepped up and i you have to look at momentum as well i mean that plays such a key role going forward. When you've got that energy in that kind of like snowball effect behind you bills mafia. Everyone's involved so i think it's gonna be exciting and these could be high scoring. Although i said that last weekend with the ravens and i was completely wrong the weather i get gonna play a factor to a degree ground game on for both teams. It was a dozen start. It's fateh say isn't strong. See but of course. He got jewish quarterbacks who can can pick slack that with the bills ground game. What do you think has been the problem. They're establishing it more effectively so against the chiefs earlier in the season. They averaged less than four carry. And that's kind of venus story. This bills ground game hadn't been able to get anything particularly how called what what's being the cause of that. Yeah and i mean the ironic. Is that really coach. Mcdermott loved the run game. And and you have to be able to run the ball in this league But we turned into more of a spread offense that we've been passing it so much more and that's really where the heart of it is knowing that you've got josh in terms of his passing ability but i think the the exciting thing that josh brings to the table is what you have to account for him in the ground game. The you have to now defensively plan. Who's going to be here spy linebacker. Who's gonna take care of him when his legs are there You know. I think there was a bit of lack of consistency with some of the tight ends in terms of lot of injuries earlier on and that makes a big a big difference but offensive line. They've really started to pull themselves together. you know even if you look at the running backs they're they're all really quite young second year third year guys so that experience play a massive role as well. They've not played against that. Many different defenses in and do fair. Kansas city's got a great defensive line at are. They're gonna come for you every time. They're to try and contain josh every time. So you know. It's it's identifying the blitzes that are coming in so many different things that are backs have to think about But i think you know enough practice. Now they've there's no more excuses anymore right. We've we've played. We made it this whole season. It just going to be important that everyone does their role. And you finish your blocks and you run through you know full speed ahead. You influence in the building phoebe christie wade sitting there on the practice squad. I mean surely you could put an email. It'd get him get him a not just inside for for the super bowl. Nothing like baptism by fire. That's your first game with the nfl. Coming to the super bowl. You know just on the. It's a great point you make about allen. They'll have to contend. Consider him an his ground game as well and we know his chiefs defense he can run on think that to some degree that could be the way that the bills looked to approach this game. Yes we expect to design runs as well as his provision to do some damage there. But do you think it might the sucker punch counterpunch might be if they do try and lead the run and and surprise people because they know it's a weak link for the chiefs. Yeah definitely in the end. You have to look at you know. What have we done historically because most team study your past five games when you were building up to play each other so looking at what. We've done historically you're still looking at more of a pass game. So what are they. What are they gonna game plan for. What are they gonna spend most of their practice on. It probably will be you know the Coverage team so for us. I think you'd be a great idea to kind of get some draws in their get. Some exciting huby run plays in there to And then have are running backs just kind of punch him in the mouth to start the game off. You know that's it would be really big statement and it would be taking advantage of the weaknesses that that kansas city has him in the mouth. Thirty doors i mean that would be given the full the the island and the impact of this passing game if they are able to establish the first quarter a strong ground. Control the clock. Which of course is what you wanna do against. Mahomes as well bingo. That could get interesting. What would this mean to to the buffalo fans. You know it's a. It's a team every time we do show you how much i love buffet. Because i love the team. Since i was a kid just in my life is an nfl fan. First and foremost they are one of those teams as a kid. I've got these memories of jim. Kelly in these brilliant teams that that that didn't quite make it and they were great teams. Want now don't you forget that the espn thirty four falls of buffalo just reminds these incredible teams by large that for whatever reason didn't quite over the line and it's a full mind city state. I mean what would a super bowl mean to this fan. Base feeds mean. Even think about it like gives me just because i know how much it would mean to the people of buffalo and bills fan worldwide. Like you're saying it is completely at the heart of the city people from buffalo. They start tailgating on thursday nights for sunday night game no and is not a very rich area so these people literally spend whatever extra money they have to go and watch buffalo play. I mean literally. Their lives to this team So for fair buffalo to bring super bowl back to to buffalo with just. I think people die happy. You know i mean i know. They've seen any videos of when the guys land back at the airport. The fans are lining the streets there surrounding them. You know even if it was a loss. They're still out there supporting the team. And i mean. I i think the team also now feels like they wanna do it for bills mafia. They've always had that wanted on the front south. But i mean most of the guys in the building right now are just saying we want to do both mafia because you guys give us so much joy and the new allow us to be the best version of ourselves. I mean i caught off to that. I can't imagine any nutrition. Today's that doesn't wanna bills win on sunday. And i would love to see as well is great to see it. Thanks for dropping by before you go. Tell us what you're up to you. Jigs rolling stronger. Hope yeah you can keep this rolling strong exciting. 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