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On Country Music Airwaves, Female Artists Fight For Equal Play

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On Country Music Airwaves, Female Artists Fight For Equal Play

"This message comes from on point sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your short list of qualified defied candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast you know yeah no from w._b. You are boston and n._p._r. I'm mega chucker bardy. This is on point would be like a and scott a door anymore. Aw who doesn't love that picture of country music star casey must graves raves holding a boatload of grammy's four wins in two thousand nineteen including album of the year and best country song for space cowboy the track. You're hearing right now but she's done it. Largely without the support of the country radio establishment space cowboy for example peaking only at number thirty thirty on billboard's hot country songs chart and never once appearing on the country airplay chart must gray is not alone. The women of nashville say say they're fighting for radio. Play bookings for the business deals that lead to record sales. They're speaking out against music city's old boys network. They say eh discriminating against them. This hour on point female artists fighting for equal play on country music airwaves and you can join us are female country artists underrepresented underrepresented on the radio or ignored entirely who's flying under the radar that you don't think he's getting the credit the accolades or the success. She deserves for her music. Join us anytime it on point radio dot org or twitter and facebook at on point radio. We've got a couple of terrific. Guess joining us from nashville tennessee today. Kaley shores is with us. She's a singer songwriter and the co founder of the all-female nashville songwriting collective and showcase the song suffragettes. She's also the co host of a daily segment on radio. Disney country called. Let the girls play that highlights. The women of country music kelly shore welcome to on point. Hey thank you so much for having great to have you also with us. As kelly bannon she is also a singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast this nashville life which explores the world of country of the country music industry industry. She was an inaugural member of e._m._t.'s next women of country campaign in two thousand thirteen kelly bannon welcome to you. Hey magna. Thank you so much for having adamy this great to have both of you. Let me just i hear from from from both of you and kaley. Maybe i'll start with you. Have you felt the effects of i mean. I call it the old boys network communiqu city. Have you felt the effects of that on your career. I mean absolutely i think you'd be so hard pressed to find a woman who would say she hasn't been <hes> just because it's gotten gotten to the point where from taking your first publishing meetings in nashville to try to get a songwriting deal to being at the very top of your game and struggling to get past past the top thirty lake casey mass graves. He's arguably the <hes> you know hottest one of the hottest artists in music period after winning record or record of the year and i feel like <hes> it's directly affected me in so many different ways but i also think that i'm speaking for nearly everyone and so kelly what about you well. I think what's funny is is a lot of people when they hear us talking about this topic in two thousand nineteen it just it's really shocking to them or they think maybe we're exaggerating saturating because it is so unfathomable to the average person and i think you know <hes> what k- lee just mentioned. It's it's so standard practiced here that you know you hear things like well. We already have one woman on our roster or there's already one woman on. This bill on this lineup like that is just that that's just an average day for us so i think we're just trying to steal acquaint people with the conversation to begin with so they can help us this kind of try to figure out how we make it better. Wow okay well. I want to actually play some of your music on both of yours but kelly. I'm gonna start with you. Let's hear a little little bit of church clothes. This is a two thousand seventeen <hes> from you kelly and so. Let's just listen to it when nobody's home in just two last donna these days. I don't even eh buddy. No church kelley leave in two thousand seventeen church close now kelly. What was it about this song. There's something that happened with the song in your record label that that's sort of emblematic atika. The challenges that women in country are facing what happened well when we first found this song song was written by two incredible grammy-winning songwriters liz rose in col- galleon and i i usually only cut my own songs that i've written but i heard the song and i felt like it was such such a massive song. Just the writing was so incredible. It was so truthful just about marriage what it's like to be in relationship with someone someone in long-term way which is hard and what i think country music does best <hes> is just tell the truth in stories about real life and so from me. Church closed ticked all of those boxes so we begged publishers to let us cut this song. We shared it with record label <hes> and my manager at the time. Everyone is flipping out about. I think the opportunity of a song like this that just is so truthful and so honest and and we felt the audience would really really be able to connect with and the label knew it was a big song. I think too i mean that was the buzz in the building at my label at the time was just that this is a really special specials special song and like how do we how do we set it up so that we you know this song really gets a chance to be hurt when i had had a couple what what would be considered failed singles at country radio which means they were top fortyish but but no climbed no higher on the charts that and so when you're coming back from kind of some mrs at radio you really maybe don't have the same opportunity you have as when when you have a clean slate so we knew we had that to overcome the label just said well look we really believe in the song and we think it's really important but there's no way we can put out a female ballot to country radio and ask them to play it like maybe if we get another yeah. We know at the time the other things that were on the radio right. Then wasn't a single on a an emerging artists mickey. Guidon didn't a beautiful incredible powerful ballad called better than you left me. It was struggling <hes> it ended up not really working at radio and also girl crush by little big town on which is a female fronted band which went onto win grammys n._b._a. And monster monster song at the time we were having this conversation around church close the research on girl crush. I should not turned around yet and and people thought they were going to lose the team thought they were going to lose that song at country radio so those were some of the things that were kind of em- play at that in that moment comet wow i would say the summary is already hard enough to get a woman on the radio. It's a double negative if it's valid but then the designer of girl crush also route church doesn't that seem so strange though because i mean it's like if everyone believes that this song could be a a massive hit and nevertheless it's tough to get it on the radio. I mean look. I'll admit i do not understand the minutiae of of how oh conflict country music business works and that's why we're doing this hours to teach ourselves but it doesn't make any sense yeah well honestly we are. It's kind of like we're scratching our heads to <hes> because i don't think that there is like one big bad wolf out there who's trying to keep women off of major playlists or off of the radio but we've just kind of built a system that has almost maybe maybe intentionally but probably accidentally led us to this moment where there's such disparity yeah well. I want to hear a little bit of keighley's music as well so let's listen to this two thousand sixteen track from keighley we we sure called fight like a girl and best the lead dancer tough taylor shores two thousand sixteen track fight like a girl kelly told me a little bit about this song i wrote this song with two other girls i met through song offer jets lena stone and haley steel and it was written when none of us had a publishing deal <hes> i had never released music before i actually lena hadn't either and we were really really just kind of it was at the really beginning of us assessing the problem of women in country music and it was right after tomato gate which was <hes> when a very very prominent <hes> country consultant said that if you play more than fifteen percent of women on country radio people tune out <hes> in that women are the tomatoes of the country radio salad and menor they'll lettuce and we just need to you know if you want he literally said if you want to program successfully take women out that was an absolute direct quote that he said in a major country music publication aimed towards industry and so we heard that and kind of started talking and lena had this title fight like a girl and we were like well. Maybe we just sing into him. Maybe we just saying to him. Maybe we think so when it says he's calling my name says featherweight. I mean we really are directly talking to mr keith himself <hes> and it'd be kind of came name bigger than that and us just talking about you know adversity in general as a woman and i was raised by a single mom who really i mean i didn't encounter counter like true true sexism of this grandiose form until i moved to nashville because it was never conversation at my house. My mom was never like you should probably be be a wife or you know it was always like you can do literally anything you put your mind no question so i never doubted it until i got here and and that song did incredibly well on sirius x._m. Highway which is the largest country radio station in the country actually think maybe in the world probably i i think so because they aaron to nationally but <hes> it worked there you know so i don't understand church closed work to their and kelly was the first artist to have <hes> three consecutive. If i were finds which is like their power rotation thing they do for new artists and music discovery an fight like a girl was part of the highway program as well. We'll you know we're going to talk a lot more. <hes> <hes> about this and the challenges women nashville are facing and <hes> and also what you're doing to push back against that but kayleigh shore and kelly bannon hang on here for just a minute. We're gonna take a quick break and we're going to go out with marianne morris asong girl the lead single off this year's album of the same name and we are talking about women in nashville pushing back doc against challenges in the country music business of even basic things like getting on the radio. This is on point comparisons deal. It uh-huh in this message comes from on points sponsor answer indeed when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post goes to job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsored jobs cbs new users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash n._p._r. Podcast terms conditions and quality standards apply brian so this is on point. I made me chakravarty and that of course between from nineteen ninety-seven come on over we are talking this hour about how modern day women in nashville in country music or having a tough off time getting the kind of airplay that used to get and why that is and what's happened to country music and how women are fighting back. We're joined today by kaley shore. She is a singer songwriter and co founder of the all-female nashville songwriting collective song suffragettes. She's also co host of a daily segment on radio. Disney country called. Let the girls play. Kelly bannon joins us as well. She is founder and host of the podcast. This nashville life wasn't inaugural member of c._m._t.'s next women of country campaign in in two thousand thirteen. She's a singer songwriter as well and also with us from nashville tennessee. Beverly keel joins us now. She's chair of the department of recording the industry. At middle tennessee state university longtime music journalist and co founder of change the conversation a coalition designed to help fight gender inequality in country music beverly keel welcome to point hi. Thanks for having me. He's great to have you here at the top of this segment to just remind ourselves of how there have been so many so many of the giants of country music are women and so what has not that there aren't any giants now but what has happened to the country music industry. That's making it harder for these potential huge names to break through today. Women women are not getting the opportunities that they did in the nineties. If you look at the nineties musical landscape you had women of every <hes> sound and theme from reba mcentire faith hill shania twain one ona judd mary chapin carpenter pam tillis kathy matteo martina mcbride on and on and on and now women are not not getting opportunities to be heard and <hes> you're not hearing them on country radio therefore labels are not signing as many women therefore publishing companies signing signing as many songwriters there are very few female producers and we're not hearing the voice of women on radio so apparent can literally drive their daughter to and from school and never hear a female voice on country radio yeah well so what happened then then at the end of the nineties because the thing we're we're wondering about is after nine eleven in two thousand one it seemed as if sort of the the really popular really the high profile country the commercial country music turned to you know hyper patriotic ma- a masculine sound i mean is that the thing that muscled off or elbow elbowed awful a lot of women off off the rotations for country music stationed well. There was a phrase called bro country coined to <hes> <hes> create the really <hes> rhythmic driven songs by men wearing baseball caps backwards. <hes> luke bryan is sorta the king of that and that has dominated the radio airwaves and <hes> women are just literally not being heard <hes> so <hes> kellyanne k. Let me pull you back in here. What do you what do you think about it that there's sort of this was the there was this big shift in the late nineties early two thousands well well you know i don't want to get overly technical about <hes> radio programming because i am definitely not an expert in that but there were some assumptions i think that <hes> that weren't aren't really truly rooted in any real research but serve started to become to be implemented in those early two thousands so it was like maybe we play a little bit less less fewer women per hour and then a lot of things that have nothing to do with bias necessarily kind of contributed from <hes> you know deregulation and also the automation of the way things are scheduled kind of started to make it just a little easier to say actually maybe we all are only gonna play one woman per hour and we can program that and it's you know we've got fewer and fewer people making decisions. There are fewer and fewer independent radio stations that are getting being programmed by one human so i think and i i really happen to believe that in some ways it. It wasn't an intentional edging out it. Just we've kind of slowly come to the place where now we're at what twelve to thirteen percent yeah so i just wanted to me because i get your appoint but that it may not have been intentional edging out but then we have this the the effect sort of builds the momentum right and totally and so and i think that's that's that's what i'm trying to understand here because for example we got this comment. That's come in on twitter from someone named conned himselves m._j. Age m._g._h. says it's it's a business. You have to produce a marketable product radios only there to sell commercial time not your recordings but beverly keel but i'm just curious about okay m. g. h. might have a point here but what is radio gonna play that isn't already charting and if it's not playing how's it a <hes>. How's it going to chart and if there's a chicken and egg problem here how can women get in and break that cycle well. There's a fallacy that women are not making commercially viable able product. If you look at miranda lambert for instance. She always sells well <hes>. She's won four or five a._c._m. Album some of the year awards <hes> she had the song tin man that got two grammy nominations for best country song best country seller performance she wanted a._c._m. Song of the year didn't make make the country chart's top twenty so <hes> look at taylor swift who started in country music and <hes> cells at least five million copies of every album she releases the problem is these women are not getting exposure so you don't know they exist. That's it. That's it because we have a saying here in nashville mcnuggets hits aren't written. They're made and what we're not saying. Please please don't hear us saying play me because i'm a woman or play my friends because they're women what we what we actually want is just for the gatekeepers i to prioritize sharing that platform so that a song by the by a woman has the opportunity to become a hit has the opportunity opportunity to be embraced by fans. We're not saying shove asong down. Somebody's throat. They don't wanna listen to. We're saying give the listener the chance to fall in love with this. It's a great song. I think a really good example of that. That affected me pretty directly was when i release fight like a girl in two thousand sixteen as my first single <hes> it was selling really well and i was an independent artist and it sold forty thousand copies which is pretty unheard of in the only <hes> debut female who outsold that year was married moore's and i went in and met with every record label and heard the same thing that was already. We already have a girl or already pushing girl and one of the most <hes> direct direct things i heard was after i left a meeting my my manager heard from someone at <hes> one of the the big big three or whatever <hes> big three levels goals that said keighley's a superstar she'd kill it on radio tour but we just can't sign a girl right now and so i don't wanna consolation prize and i if someone told me the music wasn't good enough and that was why i wasn't getting a record deal. I'd go back to the drawing board and try to get better writing music. Would if someone's telling you this is a hit it's working. We we just can't do it. Because you're a woman i mean that is like such black and white gender bias and at the time that fight like a girl was selling forty thousand copies there was a song headed to number for one that would go onto number one by a new male artists that had sold less and so i mean how are you going to say that you know that it's not commercially by yeah you know. I want to just hear a little bit more music here than in turn to our callers as we're getting a lot of response to this topic here but i <hes> i mean kayleigh you want to play a a moment from a song suffragettes anthem this time's up it features more than a dozen female country artists including kaley. Yeah we sure do so kid and the vein terms for the chain because is now the game has changed. It's been a long time coming. There's no i don and gonna stop today. Deletes olga law on page novel. That's the song suffragettes anthem time's up <hes> from two thousand eighteen of beverly keel said a little earlier that one of the major challenges that women in country just aren't getting exposure on the radio anymore and that brings me back to thinking about tomato gate where women the tomato of the salad of country music so let's go to jesse who's calling from old lyme connecticut jesse. You're on the air. Hi thanks for taking my call keith on. He was my own consultant. <hes> i'm no longer in country music. I i've been on both sides of the coin. Representative artists trying to get those spins of going across the country radio station or radio station. I've also been on the radio. I think <hes> first first off the quality i think in country music that the listeners looking for has been dumbed down over the years where before i mean they're not looking for the next <hes> wichita lineman now. It seems like this one a flashy hook something easy to remember singing along to go along with it on e._m._t. And that they don't want to be educated they just want something easy to sing along to and that's one of the problems from their personal perspective but another thing is you have to really zammit on how the data is collected. <hes> keith would gladly make the men the tomatoes in the women the lettuce if that's what data showed i mean if you really wanna change country music. You have to look at how data is collected. Did these focus groups first off a lot of listeners. The country radio are women to begin with if they want to hear men well that's what they're saying and and like i say in keith is is there to make money for the radio station. It's kinda like what that <hes> twitter person said you know the general manager could care less about the song on the radio rather it's adult contemporary country or what have you they wanna see revenues honesty ratings and that has much to do with commercials and another thing is like what was touched upon before is the independent radio stations are falling by the wayside and you have much <hes> of the industry that are driven by consultants consultants that are driven by this data right so like. I said he is in hit. He's a great guy. I you know i've had dinner with keith. Keith has taught me a lot about radio he himself who has been meeting with the prior he really isn't i mean he is data driven. We'll just say i'm going to take it back from you. There <hes> and <hes> and i can imagine a real go ahead go ahead. We absolutely understand sand the data perspective the problem is women are only being tested overnight when no one's listening so they'll say they're testing song with x. amount of spins but if it's all overnight and it's not during drive time it's really hard for the actual average country listener which isn't awake at three a._m. To be engaged by the song because they're still not exposed is to it and also as far as keith collecting data <hes> one of his most recent tweets said that the reason that women don't want to hear other women is because our ears are scientifically different and we don't like hearing high pitched noises so i'm not super sure about his data collection and also if you look at the pop realm yes almost all the the superstars. There are female. You've got beyond say cardi b. Riana yes swiss same problem. There's ras great. Yeah go ahead. No i please beverly well. Something that that really bothers me is you're not hearing the female perspective invoices on country radio in addition. You're hearing <hes> women songs relegating women to the passenger seat of the car so an every lyric now seems to have the word girl in it so we've now whatever age you're a girl and it's it's country. Music will play songs about women just not songs things by women. Let me just get another caller in here. Since we're talking about sort of the data and the business side of commercial country radio let's go to cousin kate from newton massachusetts. You're on the air. Hello ladies <hes>. I hope cousin kate boston. Hi i host sunday morning country here boston in every sunday from ten to two and i think you're targeting the wrong audience <hes> commercial country from me these days <hes> has a huge underserved served market <hes> the pr- pretty much left their audience back in the late nineties and all the gals that we love back then you know patty loveless and carlene carter order and <hes> heather myles mandy barnett all these ladies that were all all over t._n._n. C._m._t. on the radio you heard and saw them everywhere. Are there not to be found anymore. I mean the only place that you're gonna find people like healthy. Walden margot price <hes> jamie wyatt leeann will mac you can find them on the noncommercial radio stations and now they're calling the americana radio stations and one of the things that i try to do every week in mice the settlers my platelets. I play male female meals email because there is nothing worse than hearing an entire half hour of a male voice <hes> can can. I just jump in here for a second cousin because i think i get your point. I think of take your point like the maybe the the women ought to be looking for <hes> places where they will get much more frequent airplay obviously here. I am in public radio. I am going to be a fan of noncommercial stations no problem but isn't the bigger issue though that why should they have to do that. The commercial stations are just taking taking away the opportunities from them. What do you think about that <hes>. Yes that's true. I don't think that they should have to do i. I think that's just the reality of it. <hes> what i saw take place is that a lot of marketing people got into the business in the late nineties. They weren't music lovers. They're all about out this stop. They're all about the numbers and that's what's driving a lot of their decisions they have they've they've lost touch with the soul of country music so they they don't really understand what that audience is. Looking for. There are a lot of people that by a lot of march when they go to the shows but you're not going to see it because on the with the radio radio numbers because the lady said they're just not played. We'll cousin kate. I gotta take it back from me because we got to take a quick break here but thank you so much for your call beverly keel we have about a minute to go before we have to take our break but this issue of the the big business of country radio being very sort of data and numbers driven live in. I mean that that too is a fact but then how do you start changing that well. I think we're halfway there. So <hes> when tracy gershon leslie fram anna forms exchange conversation in two thousand fourteen and i was writing about it <hes>. I was told that a problem didn't exist. I was trying to create a problem where there wasn't one and and now everyone's at least says there there is a problem and we just wanna fix it. We're not interested in pointing fingers or blaming people. What can we do to change it and that's what we're focusing on will beverly kill kelly bannon and kelly store hang on just a second quick break time. We're going to go out with this. Town is killing me from caitlyn smith twenty sixteen to twenty sixteen song from her. It's a heartfelt ballad about the pressures of the country music industry three and we are talking about this very pressures. Women nashville are facing. We'll be right back this point in my granddad without salazar on those some fellow into below that was <music> pushed him away and the price up a whole lot alone a whole lot of songs never see the live still all clean so bad scorn or go home towns killing me assumes thumbs the <music> it has already been an eventful summer in politics between the twenty twenty twenty debates and the president's battle over immigration. There's a lot going on and win. There's news you need to know about the n._p._r. Politics podcast is there to tell you what happened not to mention. We're hitting the road so you can meet all of the twenty twenty contenders appeal is gonna drive me crazy the n._p._r. Politics podcast subscribe. I had a dream about a burn in you. Stuck inside can get you <music> men pool to win in small in this point i- meghna chakrabarti and that is cam from her two thousand fifteen single burning house. We're talking this hour about the challenges that women in country music are facing getting airplay on the radio which translates into a tougher time getting on those billboard charts topping those charts art even as they're bringing country music some terrific songs and award winning music as well. We're joined today by kaley shore. She is a singer songwriter and co founder. The all-female nashville songwriting collective the song suffragettes kelly bannon joins us as well also a singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast. This nashville life and in beverly keel is with us. She's chair of the department of the recording industry at middle tennessee state university longtime music journalist and co founder of change the conversation in beverly and a few few minutes. We'll talk about what changes. The conversation has been doing but our phone lines are lighting up so let's go to mary. Beth who's calling from a beata springs louisiana. Mary beth you're on on the air. Hello thank you ladies so much for taking my call <hes> i got in the car. I'm actually on my way birmingham a._k._c. must-reads concert right now <hes> <hes>. I've been listening to country my entire life. I'm from the south. <hes> you know i listen to loretta lynn reba dahlie all the ones but i completely stopped listening to country music after the dixie chicks were basically shunned from speaking out <hes> basically on their opinions and i think the country music industry has made a grave mistake in completely alienating <hes> certain demographics of people in general <hes> and i am an extreme consumer of music and it's not until last spring i saw casey must perform on saturday night live. I had no idea you she was and i saw her. I was like who is this. Goddess and i immediately looked up her tour schedule to see <hes> the closest show that she she was planning to me and i actually live in a suburb of new orleans and on her tour she skipped new orleans altogether so i bought a ticket to see her in birmingham alabama which is a five ah dr hy mary beth can i just jump in here for a second just quickly to remind folks because you mentioned the dixie chicks and i am a massive dixie chicks fans they after nine eleven <hes> <hes> <hes> you know they started speaking out against the iraq war and they had criticisms of president george w bush they were getting death threats things like that they had to stop touring for awhile and several two years after that when they finally came out with their first album in a long time i thought that was one of their best albums ever but the point about them being more than pushed aside by i <hes> the industry that didn't necessarily back them up either as a good one but but mary beth let me just ask you when you saw casey must graves on like who who was this god is what was it about her her music that really well gotcha first of all i i was. I was apprehensive to even like like i didn't wanna like it because i had not such a bad taste and i'm all for the country music industry now especially <hes> with relation to women and their lack of exposure but <hes> she the song that she played was high horse which is like a country song this go really and i was like who is the woman. I love love country. I love disco but i haven't really <hes> expressed that part of myself in so long because i just like shut it down and then the second song she played with slow-burn and just like she's a beautiful songbird and this and that and the saddest thing is that i've been so amped up for this show. I bought my ticket almost a year ago and <hes> i've told all my friends i'm going to see casey mass graves and everybody's like who even even after the grammy's will may thank you for your call. I wanna i wanna like be sure that you're safe driving coming down the road so i'm gonna let you put down the phone here for second but kelly kelly and beverly. Let me ask you it to me. One of the things i'm hearing mary beth telling us is that there is just a lot of music music for her for years. That didn't resonate with her and i'm wondering if if we are if country music is blocking out entire audiences because they're not letting i'm like i'm not going to pigeonhole. All female country music artists in any way but like is there. Is there a whole types of music and types of songs that would resonate nate. They're just not being played in and think yeah go ahead there. Absolutely are those songs that would resonate and i think what mary beth did without even realizing a she brought brought her. The point that she made is essentially. How are you going to discover new music if there's no platform for you to discover it from and so still the largest discovery tool for country music fans is the radio and second to that is probably play listing on major <hes>. D._s._p.'s and then third is like i mean if she wasn't on s._n._l. I mean what an elite elite like. How few people are on s._n._l. Right so that's we're just saying hey we just want people to have the opportunity to fall in love with this music and i mean she just made the point just by telling that story because there is there a presumption sorry. I'm so sorry i'm so sorry but is there could see you guys is but is there a presumption though that <hes> the music that the women are making isn't going to resonate because like i don't know i don't. I don't hear anyone saying that about the music to the men are making. There's that presumption also magnet. There's the presumption that the music isn't good enough like oh well you know in this day and an age. The best musical rise to the to the cream will rise to the top. We constantly get the question of like maybe it's a quality problem and i think what casey just did. Beautifully beautifully by winning record of the year is just slam the door on the quality question you know and i think that there's you know it's so hard for me to believe leave. That women's music isn't good enough. When the someone in fact check me on this but i'm like ninety five percent charm right that there have been four country artists to win win album of the year at the grammys genre and it's been alison krauss taylor swift the dixie chicks and casey musk's that order and that's it no male artists of everyone all all jonah record of the year and so women are clearly making good enough music and i just don't believe it if you're gonna tell me that us like a woman can overcome even just being in country music to win genre because that is so rare. It's only happened four times and have a top thirty and never be supported on country. Radio is just absolutely it. Just just doesn't make sense does not add up without radio hits. You don't get the t._v. Show bookings get award nominations you on tours yes so you have have people like <hes> actually mcbride s cassie ashton lindsey els to kneel now towns that are not getting heard <hes> and it's all up together. I mean that's what i'm trying to think. So maybe beverly is the time to ask you about what changed. The conversation china's doing because since since it is also tightly bound up together. How do you tease it apart to give women the space and the opportunities <hes> to to to be more hurt somewhere records well change the conversation is doing several things first of all were drawing attention to the problem and now everybody at least admits their problem we have partnered with country radio broadcasters which is the organization that represents all the radio programmers nationally and we're working on holding province town hall meeting with all the major players just to say let's come up with ideas for solutions we we don't care who created the problem. We just want to fix it and <hes> the beautiful thing about change the conversation it. Is it really his <hes> created help create a community of twentysomething female singer songwriter so they don't feel alone they collaborate with each other. They support each other <hes> they support each other on social media. We're raising awareness of the female artist. Were trying to give female artist a platform and attention. They're not getting anywhere else but this is not going to be solved overnight. <hes> i was delighted to see that the academy of country music has created a task force on gender under an inclusion and <hes> that goes along with the recording academy's task force so <hes> it it gender issues. Here's exist in the music industry. It's at a whole different level in country music in yeah. I i can't get over how ironic it seems or how it just doesn't make any sense to me because country music has been so good at telling women's stories for so long here. I want to go back to the phones but first. Let's get a little bit more music in here kelly. This is one a. yours. This is the two thousand sixteen song cheap sunglasses sheep. I'm not that's kellyanne two thousand sixteen song cheap sunglasses. Let's go to cecilia who's calling from buffalo new york cecilia. You're on the air hi. Thanks for taking my call. I love this show because i absolutely we love country music but i have to agree with the caller from louisiana country music is so narrow now and i think part of the exact everybody wants to harsh cars out on marikana from country and i want the best country music albums over the last twenty five years was nancy griffith's other voices other <music> owns. Just i mean i can listen to that today and it makes no different than it's a timeless album today and i was just wondering maybe your guests could talk to why why that's happening because it seems to me like it's a little the lyrics you know that appealed to so many people and these gals are just creating great great music and i'm just wondering if they have any thoughts on that division between quote unquote country and americana. Yes thank you recall. What do you think goes. I think there's a misconception that country radio is the main genre and artists like casey mass graves graves and schedule simpson and j yeah and chris stapleton ara sub-genre but truthfully if you look at it that's the definition of country music church closes closes the definition of country music <hes> and i think that country radio's the sub-genre but the problem is a sub genre has taken over the main discovery platform it. It all sounds relatively well. I don't wanna speak for everything because there is some really great music being made for males out there but i don't necessarily feel like i need to spend time making that point right now <hes> but that's like it's all really a very narrow genre that sounds similar cover similar topics. It's a lot of it's produced by the same producers and i think that you know leeann. Womack is country music and that maybe we're just looking at it wrong but they're only playing a sub-genre and if you look at the awards shows they would agree with as you as well well. Let's go to another call. It's to miranda who's calling from tennessee miranda. You're on the air. <hes> thank you for taking my call <hes> back to the demographic. I feel like one thing that they only really push with women is like the carrie underwood key in a man's car train rang winless crazy and i mean that's not what we are in. That doesn't sell me. I mean i've never really been a big carrie. Underwood fans and i would like to see more music music. That's real that has real passion and relates more to buy day in live with pain and love and just life in general. I just i'm you women aren't crazy and i appreciate them. You know being portrayed that way or you know you gotta be sexed up and a pair of daisy duke. Yeah we'll miranda. Thank you so much much for your call. Let's go to lynn calling from myrtle beach south carolina linear on the air. Hello this my call kind of segues back to the he call about americana music. One of my favorite artists is jason is bowl and he doesn't get play on country radio but his wife is also an artist <hes> amanda shires and he has a cd call that nashville sound and i think that the song has the same name but it has a line that says mama wants to change that nashville sound but they're never gonna let her and it really. This conversation really made me think about that will lynn. Thank you so much for your call. Beverly keila return back to you here for a second because <hes> i i wonder wh- just in our callers here granted there are nonscientific focus group but but in our culture ause you hearing the the the urge and the desire for this music is there a way for country music fans themselves to to help push back against <hes> the commercial commercial and data driven forces of the industry so that they can get more get these records more airplay. Call the radio stations. Let them. I know how you feel. I assure you that the songs your listeners are craving exists in nashville. They're being written and recorded every day. You're just not hearing them. <hes> <hes> i think we look at two steps one. The f._c._c. needs to know this is going on since radios have radio stations have licenses in to the advertisers <hes>. It's assumed that the average country radio listener is a female and they say females control the households buying power and if industries he's like four to marketing to women. They should know if they advertise on country radio. The message country radio is sending to women and kellyanne in kelly. What do you think well. I guess it is really really encouraging. When we get to hear listeners say oh we are hungry for this music because there are times when we can fill discouraged and i think obviously something is missing when we're only hearing one perspective and it's not about not hearing the male perspective. We wanna here all the perspectives. I'm gonna just because it's come up so much a friend of mine karen fairchild. Who's the lead singer. Little big town has done a great job using her platform to share some of this talent i after the show today i will tweet out a list of some incredible music that is great storytelling that it's not necessarily my own that listeners listeners can if they want to dive in and they're not finding it other places we wanna help point them to our friends who are making great compelling music and i would just say to call all the radio stations. If you see a festival without a female on it which see very often tweet them tell them that they that you wanna see certain artists. They have to listen to the fans because you guys are the ones the wallets and they don't exist without that so if you buy the music and you're actively demanding it's a lot of work but kellyanne i will thank you infinitely and so well all the other girls making great music and well we will re tweet what you put out and then we'll also put it on our website on radio dot org but i have to say it's been such a terrific opportunity opportunity and i've had such a great time talking with all of you so so kaley shore singer songwriter and co founder of the songwriting collective the song suffragettes and host of a daily segment or radio disney country called the girls play kaley. Thank you so very much. Thank you magna and kelly ben and also singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast this nashville life kelly great pleasure talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank you so so much we really appreciate you caring about this and talking about it with us well <hes> beverly early keel chair of the department of recording and shit middle tennessee state university and co founder of change the conversation beverly. You are such an expert in such a wealth of information on this. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for giving us this platform. We're going to close this hour with lurid elena song three offer twenty-seven album to album road less traveled. I megan chakrabarti this point two days adam solman.

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Karens Gon Karen (Feat: Luvvie Ajayi-Jones)

Gettin' Grown

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Karens Gon Karen (Feat: Luvvie Ajayi-Jones)

"Man Into you told me secrets that you never told the so you were so nervous and yet oh so comfortable as we explore your usual love during your as you taste Ma accusatio you felt my body slew into your Solo. I most beautiful meant that I did. I'm into you really do my toes. My from my foil covered. Does we will get to yes. We will welcome back to another episode getting grown praise. The Lord Naggus praise him. I mean he's still worthy despite the fact that we are living in in time. And I hope that you guys are doing well. As we navigate the worst we've ever endeavored to live in adulthood And we are back again to talk about that that and Adulting the WHO is adopting this scam. That is adult the early the test the trials the twists and turns that temptations and the taxes of being a real live adult in the year of our Lord Twenty Twenty. Sometimes I wonder if it's the year of our Lord now I'm just I mean I asked me for myself. I believe that he's still on the throne Dodo. No no I just. I'm just like this is. This is probably the getaways. Here I've ever seen in my life. I don't know it's definitely unprecedented in the way of of of all the things that we are getting. I'm glad to see your faith. We're glad we're glad to be alive. Waylon have all of our immune systems functioning t cells and play. Every time I blow my nose. I'm grateful every time I wake up. I take a deep breath said terrible but I'd be like I and then my weed to make sure that I can still. That's IT and then. I'm like okay. We're good today. You Know God is still keeping me safe and healthy so I have to give him the praise truths thank him for even even even everything else even though it feels raggedy raggedy raggedy round here. Okay I'm hanging in you know I'm doing okay. Making it do what they do. A word a word yes. That's a bottle was so intense. Just there Oh that thank you? I've been practicing. She's my new vocal. No it easily vocalist performance. Perform an into tena but things are going. Well they're in the Brooklyn they are. They're here you know the nicotine dirt bikes but as far. You know we can't. We can't crack seventy degrees before the Nicholas loose. We can't we can't at a at a smooth sixty six is when they really start to get books so troubling. I'm just grateful that I'm inside my home like you said and to have health and have shelter and all of the things we need and I just try to remain grateful every single day for those things. That's it and we got a long way to go this episode because graduation and now from this are back they sure are and we have a kitchen table. Talk for you all that you're really going to want to hear fell a put some time stamps on the graduations just for those people who are you know big haters and we understand that so we will accommodate you But yeah in in lieu of that and since you know. Our we have a special guest for our kitchen table talk. We're GONNA. We're going to hold off on the honesty box this week but we'll circle back and make sure that we pick that up we just don't want to You know yeah you you know. We don't. We want to hitch out over the head with a three hour episodes. So we just Forego the honesty box maybe miscarry. But you'll get the kitchen table talk talking our petty peas before we get up out of here absolutely all right. Let's go through the trash right. Quick you know then we'll get down to business. Let's skate like the NIGGA. His draws quickly take out the trash you know. It's probably more like store bag that we're GONNA throw in the receptacle because we really want to make sure that you will get your You all get your good graduation announcements. And everybody gets their praise and their do Especially with there being. No you know no ceremonies this year. So for first and foremost I just want to do a hearty rest in peace to Tony Allen If you don't know who Tony Allen Tony Allen is he is the father of afrobeat He was the drummer in Kuti's band And he passed from abdominal AORTIC. An abdominal AORTIC aneurysm. So I wanted to just make sure you to put that love out there Kuti I I remember going to see Going to see the show and Patty performed and you know they do the fail. Kuti Or to wasn't a so good so so my God Patti labelle belongs on Broadway when she won't show up to me and the shadow and the first where she was up there singing. It was everything everywhere. I go Ibn Church so I was an inventory in theater and not get out and everyone was like get out. This is not. This is not that kind of carrying on. Yes it is. You can be real mad because let me tell you what I paid for this ticket. And this is a Broadway show about that. I'm going to be loud and and celebrate my auntie up there so I just wanted to give that love to Tony Allen and his His loved ones and make sure that we shouted out because he is such a key piece to the culture Did you happen to see that? That a post where. Dj Callard was on live. No okay so. Dj Callard was on live. And I guess I don't know if he was just letting people in the live and talk in two different ones because this is the times that we're living in and He saw a a a a young woman and I use that very loosely got on his live and proceeded to like show her ass and tort so he was very much like miss. Miss Miss like that's not found a party right now. Is Not this kind of party. And she was like what you what you mean and proceeded to continue to show her ass and then try to show her titties and then show it again and it was just like sister. You have no shame whatsoever about yourself. Demand is now very now. I'm not going I'm not gonNA put it past. Dj Kelly. He could've click that big red button. He could have ended it okay. He could have gotten her right on off of there so there was a piece of me. That was very skeptical but I was missed. Do you have no shame we just. We just have some some some couth about ourselves. We just and his wife so then. He shows a clip his wife and she is boxing. Honey she is. She's in there practicing what her trainer and she's getting into showing these hoes that she does not play any games. I don't know how much I agree with. The woman who marries somebody who refuses to give them head but that is another conversation. Y'All might not want to have that talk with me Erica. In real problematic aunties my guy. It's like the problematic convention problematic Palooza Whoo Erica. Just time I've been very safe battle but the versus bad. If we can just listen to the music I mean. Hopefully they'll just play the music and non savings and I don't know people go have a good time. The plan on having a good time there. I I'm going to be firmly sitting in the building because who's going to miss a concert like that. Who's GonNa miss that kind of we? Just I. You know that this is not about the personal beliefs. This is made the night jerk. Lealbm play or will be in play day before Mother's Day. We will be right in the building. I think that is a wonderful gift. This quarantine. Lastly. We're only going to do one more quick story so I was reading actually had no clue about Katie couric apparently got. This is so appropriate given our kitchen table. That's why I had to make sure put it in their holy God so Katie. Couric vote out recently and said that She did an interview with our uncle. Denzel beloved on beloved. Do you hear me where she where he made her feel uncomfortable. So of course I saw that caption and I said well. What the Hell is this about? So he didn't interview with her years ago and she says he she asked him a question and referred to him as Hollywood folk And Denzel proceeded to response. I'm not Hollywood folk. I don't know who that is. I'm a human being and acting as my job. Not Who I am. And she had the nerve to get offended about it and didn't understand his quote unquote hostile response to get as a personal attack because incorrect and I would also like to offer pleas that this interview happened. What ten years ago? Yes are you talking about this now? As if it's a metoo situation as if we don't have other more pressing matters to concern ourselves with Katie Girl. But you know the thing is you know what I'm saying and I'll also like to make about them and it's it's also always interesting With I know what it's like to be in a black body we all do right But this is. This is something that happens to us. All of the time You know especially in corporate America or in the workplace. I'm the Kinda girl that shows up and I look in your eyeballs. When I'm talking to you and I shake your hand and you know I you know. Speak with a certain level of volume even And and it also doesn't it doesn't necessarily quote unquote help the situation that it in a in a good. He'll anywhere between six one six two. You are but you know. Give in this body that I'm in anything can be perceived as an attack and I fully acknowledged it and I'm talking men and women I've had men and women asked me why I'm so aggressive a why I'm so passionate I mean you know we We're from New York. Talk with our hands. We talk very fast and it doesn't necessarily have to be anything about like passionate emotion but that's just how it's just the that's our culture but I definitely this this resonates with me because I have been asked. The question is simply offered a response. That's it and and and have been accused of personally attacking You know whoever it was that I was in conversation but this this is just this was the fact that it was so it didn't so we're not who asked her like she brought this up out of nowhere because she literally has nothing to do right now. Well let me just tell the story about this black man who made us scared me. He made me feel it. Somebody say good morning. Katie she said did sell made me etc ten. Let me tell you a story girl. Nobody wants to hear that. Nobody wants to hear that. So I thought I thought to bring that up as I as she thought to bring that up. I thought that would be a good trash segment or trash topic. Should I say yeah? We want you all to make sure that you sit through these graduation announcements and get to audition table talk so you can understand a little further. Why Katie felt the need to. We're talking about whiteness. And how whiteness is is is wielded in the in the body of white women white women white women eating white winning is is a is a verb And we're going to talk about that and we have a special guest so like said stick around or jump ahead either way. Whatever you pleasure But we're going to have that conversation around the kitchen table in or five and Yeah so let's get into these graduation announcement shall we? Oh yes. It's the most wonderful time of the game grown year. Our graduation announcements are here and in full effect. It's even more special this year like we said earlier because we know a lot of you are not getting a commencement ceremonies And Hooding six. I don't know that's not hooding. Sarah Hooding ceremony being delayed push back to the end of the year but either way corona then took took over the graduation so we will not allow that to happen to this show so we want to make sure that we get into our favorite and we're GONNA go ahead and start show you right. Hey on tees. I've been waiting to send this email. Because getting this Grad announcement on the very podcast through all of my neighbors has been my goal. My Name Is E. I'm twenty three in from Texas and I'm proud to have graduated with three degrees and four and a half years shit that this is not a bluff because I promise I can't make this struggle of a journey up due to taking college clashes in high school. In summer classes I graduated cum laude in December with over a hundred and sixty credits and the duel degree and accelerated masters programs and collected my alright. Y'All ready for it bachelor of science and math. Medical Statistics Bachelor in business in quantitive finance master of Arts in Mathematical Finance. I am now working as a corporate data analyst in trying to navigate. The scam called adulting. And I WANNA thank you all for everything you do. All the ways you motivate and inspire sending love in good health e and she also obviously included some beautiful pictures are are e is a- Delta. So she made sure to show us her our poses. And we're all the way here for you. Look adorable and this outfit is hidden. This is so cute. Isn't just curious. So congratulations this yeah man. We're super super super proud you. I'm reading an announcement from Devon Devos's happy Wednesday and praise the Lord Knicks. Absolutely love. You guys so glad I stumbled across your show. Two years ago I listened faithfully every week. Thank you say Stephen would like to shout out? She's I'd like to shout out my daughter my boop as I call her so John Nicole Leonard on her graduation from high school after learning that school was cancelled by for the remainder of the year. Due to the Rauner. We were all bombed because we knew it meant that graduation would possibly be cancelled as well although she has two siblings. She's my only baby and I'm so very proud of the example. She's leading by and the young lady she's growing into and also a low-key Heike excited about being empty Nester. Alana LOVES TO DANCE AND IS PART of the national honors dance in technical societies at her school. She was really looking forward to dressing up her gown with records. I was too. She was part of the student council. The blacks who alliance worked part-time Thurgood Marshall. Abc US scholars program participant FAA state a Delta gyms participant for three years Western wake chapter of Delta Sigma Theta and if our -ticipant in the twenty twenty Miss Japa- Walk Scholarship pageant. She will be attending Fayetteville State University in the fall and is planning a major in Business Management Democrats Congress my Baby Dad Mrs Tasha and I love you so very much and I wish you nothing but a successful future Devastate thank you guys for your yearly shots as I'm typing this. I'm getting emotional. Don't Gregor all these. About how helping her navigate through the next chapter of of her life. Laura you'RE GONNA make it Alana's brilliant and she's headed into a bright future and we are proud of you. Congratulations to you. I'm so that you're GonNa Miss Your commencement ceremony but I do hope that you do get a chance to wear your rope and rock cords. Because you've earned them you. Sure have in Devon enjoy that. She shed okay. Okay Hey Jaden KIA first off. Thank you for continuing to record during the Rona episodes. Bring me some joints in my week and for that. I'm grateful if I may. I'd like to shout myself out. Of course you can minority terror and I live in Montreal Canada. I recently received my master of degree in criminology with a specialization in women's studies from the University of Ottawa. Yes getting this. Degree was an uphill battle being a black woman who decided to write her thesis on Male Rape while studying in the institute feminist and Gender Studies opened up the window for some obstacles but I presume persevered not only did. I have to deal with implications that my work was both racist and anti feminists as well as the administration making a costly mistake on my registration. I was also supporting my parents back home. My Dad is a seventy six year old Beijing man who still works fulltime and takes care of my mom who was in the advanced stage of dementia our love so in between classes. My placement two jobs and checking in with my dad. I was writing my thesis. Now that I have my degree and I have moved back home to support my dad and help care for my mom. I finally feel relieved like it was all worth it just six months after my thesis was published on the University's Research Research Pag-. I have a very good job with a nonprofit organization to bring digital literacy some marginalized communities across Canada. Thanks again for all you do. And congratulations to all the other graduates in the G. G. Family. Take good care. That's terror. Congratulations terror and love to your parents. So much love to them. Absolutely thanks for writing Iran. We have another letter from another Tara. Tara says greetings Dr Kia NJ. I hope all is well. I wanted to shout my friend. Dr Courtney Wilson who was graduating may twenty twenty with her PhD from Old Dominion University. Thank you for celebrating graduates best. Tara thank you Tara. And Congratulations Dr Courtney. Girl you had did did Dr Kia and Dr by association. Jade thank you for putting some respect on my name. Please see my graduation announcement attached. I love you both so much. This is from Dominique and she included. Her graduation announcement. Oh and she also included a letter to us This this is Dominic Johnson on May Sixteenth Twenty twenty. She's going to be receiving a doctorate of Jewish PRUITT's from China versity law school. In addition she'll be receiving certificates in legal public service and compliance and risk management while. I'm grateful for my education and know that this is where I'm supposed to spend the season of my life. I'd be lying if the I'd say the past three years won an absolute hayes. She talks about white privilege. Peak white privilege passive aggressive human. Be in the food is bad. All in all F shown myself that I can persevere through anything I've learned to celebrate my winds. Take my ills in stride and even though this bar exam is looming over my head. I choose to celebrate every accomplishment along the way so since graduating from law schools and accomplishment. I am yet celebrating. She wants to make it outside safely. We all do but this is from Dominique. No wrinkled Regalia Dr Kia. You'll be proud to know that my line sisters do not play and will curse me out well if my gown hood is not steamed when the time comes so that is from our dominic congratulations. We are so proud of you so proud so proud. The next graduation and not announcement comes from key. Tara she guys I love. Y'All and I cannot believe that it is my time to be shouted out. I was not about to wait to see if anyone was going to shout me out because I have waited for this moment to long. That's right. She's been listening since Since we started the podcast been waiting for a while. He Tara will be graduating on. May the Nice from Middle Tennessee State University with a Bachelor of Science degree in interior design. She wants to make it clear that while I have she said while I have everyone's each interior designers are not declaration. We design homes but we also designed the hell out of commercial spaces such as hospitals bars hotels offices schools and more that's awful mutation nippy beyond ecstatic to graduate as. I went back to school after per pursuing many other things. I have finally found one of my huge passions. Thank you guys for doing this much. Love and respect. Congratulations to you. Keep Sarah Girl and Let me tell you I'm I respect your expertise absolutely and you know you you. You did that. She said. Put some respect on my name and my in my profession. I'm not a Hi Jason. Kim. I'm a day one listener and has been so great to be along for the journey. Despite some trifling committee members. I defended my dissertation back in October. And half eight three arduous months of revisions. I officially earned my doctor in American Studies. In January I will not have the opportunity to don. The regalia attendant official ceremony in May as initially planned. But I'm truly grateful to be done special. Thanks to Dr Key and team type fast for keeping me on task with my revisions you do it. Is this those Wednesday check INS on Instagram? Did more for me than you know now. Jay congratulated new ventures. I look forward to cooking and making cocktails with you. Thank you but this is not about me. Keep up the great work. Y'All I appreciate you so much be well. This is a and she signed it. Doctor say it again. Dr How you go. That's the daughter. I'm I'm very proud of you. Congratulations the next. Email comes from LAKISHA. Lakisha says I have been waiting for three years to be done with this massive education. I have criterias woken up hours before my husband keys to work by Lamplight at a corner. This so My my profuse typing. Wake anybody up then. I will teach for hours at the same high school I attended and graduated from as a mom of a one month. Old Daughter I will say. That's that's the ceremony that meant the most to me at the time but I want to say to myself Lakisha girl you did the damping your twenty year. Old Kid is proud of you. The rest of your kids and your husband are proud of you and the kids families you go to work for needed you to have all of those experience you had as a student to come back and be the best teacher for them. Although Rona came and showed her ugly face. You still need to celebrate yourself and we agree. Look congratulations on completing your masters of Education. You did dislike all of the hard things that life handed you and like you say it has prepared you for such a time as this beloved so go for and continues to be great and I hope that you do take as many opportunities. This isn't just but one but take as many opportunities. You can celebrate yourself. You deserve. Him Can't keep case Keisha on a leash. Hello Jay Dr Kia praised the Lord niggers. I've waited so long to be able to have my own graduation announcement sentence so excuse me if I go a little long. It took ten years for me to get my bachelor's degree started at Psu. Texas Southern University meets girl straight out of high school. Because I wanted to be around more black people but out of state tuition car up with me and sent me back home to Sacramento. I went back to community. College changed my major about three times and finally settled on communication studies. I transferred to Sacramento State in fall two thousand eighteen December. Twenty one thousand nine. She earned her bachelor's degree in communication studies and the last two years. She went to school fulltime and work. Part two part jobs to make ends meet in this expensive as state. But she did it. Unfortunately Ms Ronan done messed up. Commencement saw while we have a huge. Pity EP. For these graduation. She's messed up the CAMMISA. All I have is my picture and naming a video but I already got my degree in. That's what really matters. I also want to give a shots. My Baby Sister Renee Bra. I'm sorry Brennan for also earning her bachelor's degree in Communication Studies from California State University. Thank you for both the opportunity to celebrate and love the show. Yes congratulations Brianna. Incur indeed Khadizhat rise. Hey Chef Jade and Dr Kia I I would like to say I love you. Guys on your podcast. It's always a good time when I'm listening and find myself laughing out loud quite often. Hope you both are staying safe and saying we're triangle however this email is a shoutout to our sister and she puts the shouting emoji. Tempest Ariel Watts. Even though it's a crazy time we're living in. We want to give this girl recognition. She deserves even though she wouldn't really wanNA sharing so much. Graduation may be cancelled but we are going to celebrate into her on any way she is graduating from the University of Michigan Law. School tempest has always been dedicated to her studies in his shows in steps she. The Century has taken to get wishy is now upon acceptance to you. Mish tempest was awarded the darrow scholarship a prestigious married award presented to a small number of recipients chosen for the outstanding scholastic achievements and proven capacity for leadership while in school. She participated in multiple associations namely the women's lost in association and the Black Law Student Association. She was able to Minto a first year law students and had multiple internships lending a position at one of the nation's leading leading nations leading law firms and still had time to be an amazing sister in friend. Tempest doesn't like to talk about the many things she has accomplished but we her three sisters want her to know how truly proudly out. We are of her. We are your first tribe in here for you. Always congratulations sweetness and you. I love more than you know Does she does have a wonderful week in that signed Kadisha again but tempests congratulations. Earn your law degree your citizen proud of you and so rj and key lutely congratulations tempests high ladies. My name is joy and I'm a huge fan of hope. You're well and staying sane in these raggedy times who is the word first and foremost I wanted to say. Thank you for making time to continue sharing your gifts with us each week. Especially while we're dealing with quarantine y'all some real ones. I'm emailing to give a graduation. Shout out to myself. This April I completed my bachelor of Science Immediate Media Communications from Full Sail University. This is truly been a labor of love sweat and tears as I completed my degree online while juggling being a mom working fulltime as a college adviser and planning a wedding all the same. I made it and graduated with honors. Hashtag team type infest. Won't he do it that's it? Thank you for always holding space for us in Higher Ed because it can truly be the ghetto. I love let me. Tell Ya. Every time the all-talk team type and fast it just makes me all glued side again. I WanNa thank you ladies for creating the show because you were often. The Voice of reason encouragement and timely advice. They helped me keep on keeping on down that dusty trail graduation be well in keeping your amazing inspiring selves. Best Joya so joy. Also says she gets to walk in graduation. Ceremony wants campus has reopened and she promises to ensure her Regalia is what freshly pertinent go. Free that's same daughter okay. Congratulations joy we love to see you. And congratulations joy. The next thing must says hey ladies my name is zoe in December I graduated from San Francisco State University with my NBA. Her family to do that she was. I was supposed to walk in the ceremony later this month but as we all know Miss Owner. I bad up anyway. I'd love to be a part of the graduation announcements and grow you are we are she said. Thank you for all. Thank you all for doing what you do. At Brian's my work weeks they makes me laugh. Probably LOUDER THAN. My boss would like she going to be all right. Says I'm up for a new job that I really want. Y'All can say a prayer. Send me good vibes or whatever you prefer. I would really appreciate it so we will be doing those things for you And we're believing that whatever is meant for you. We'll be yours. We're super proud of you for being a trailblazer right and setting a new standard in your family For going after you know West four you with with all manner of verve and vigor. Okay as no BS right. So I just want to acknowledge you've done amazing work and I know that you will continue to wherever path position lively to congratulations zoe for sure. Our next one says hey jade and Kia. Finally my into team type and fast is here. This past December I- Reagan tillery graduated Summa cum laude from Mercer University with a B. A in political science and African studies graduating early with something. My father and I had talked about before he passed in January. Twenty nineteen our condolences. Twenty nineteen was a long and hard year but God kept me focused and allowed me to finish my degree in three years with departmental honors in both my majors in the fall. I'll be beheading to Howard University University of law. It will be following my father's footsteps as a second-generation Attorney. Thanks for providing the space to celebrate our achievements. Yes Reagan and I know. I know your father is proud. I know around and we yes but listen I am. We are deed. I'm really excited to read this next graduation and now because it is near and dear to my heart. Yeah I don't know if you guys remember but two or three years ago. There was a young lady by the name of Raven Coakley who defended her dissertation proposal. In her typing. Fast t shirt and she told me and in his shirt and a NASA she was officially officially a PhD candidate and that was That tweet kind of went viral. Kinda went all over the place. People Kinda repulsing congratulating her you know in the community and beyond it and Raven has defended her dissertation officially now saving Coakley She. I'm GonNa read her announcement in a minute but I just wanted to say that. Raven is a testament of what teen type of as is And I'm just so proud of her. She's created her own lane started other communities like teams fast with the first docs. We've seen time fast has partnered with but you know she's just out here doing things. I'm super proud of her all she all. She does who she is. All of that And I just can't wait to see you know what God has in store for her but I'm GonNa go ahead and read her announcement but I had to put in my own little personal shadow. Because here's proud of her or whatever she's greeting shift. Jaden doctor key. I would like to shout out myself. And my two cohort mates Dr Zeier Beatty. Dr Brion Brianna Parker for completing in counselor education and supervision at the University of Georgia our commitment was originally scheduled for May the eighth but has been postponed until December. We are hoping to be able to walk across the stage and be properly hooded. No wrinkle Regalia. During that time I am so proud of US and look forward to the dynamic changes that we will continue to making schools colleges and the community settings as counselor educators. Thanks for the opportunity to celebrate and share some joy that the Rona can't take away since the doctor Raven Raven Coakley. Congratulations Dr Raven yes Dr Beatty and Dr Parker as well yes. We don't want to leave. Leave them out either. Absolute Jaden doctor. I WANNA shout out my sister. Alexandra for earning her bachelor of Science degree in with a minor in secondary education from Middle Tennessee State University. I WANNA shout out my best friend Ashley who will be receiving her master's with a specialization. In Management and leadership from Travek Nazarene University. I've watched them work hard towards completing their degrees and wanted to congratulate them on this great accomplishment and that's from Shabbat and So we want to congratulate Alexandra and Ashley for their degrees. Congratulations Ladies Yes we do. Congratulations are the next shot. Says Praise the Lord Negative? I would like to shut out four people when being my friend Micha. She is completing her bachelor's degree in mass communications with a concentration in public relations from these other university and am college too and three Two and three my mentors sons tyree and Marcel. Who are both graduating high school this year? And Lastly Myself. I graduated December. Twenty nine thousand nine with a BA in mass communications with a concentration in public relations also from the Federal University. After leaving school for four years I went back to complete my Ba. Before I reach the age of thirty on as of March thirty first I will go on to tackle my master of science in Digital Marketing at full sail university. Starting June first and we'll complete Second Fashion Collection over the summer. Yes the boy is a designer as well. The past year was a roller coaster. With finding out my mom had breast cancer and my dad had prostate cancer and even having to leave my well paying job and comfort ability to do this. But I couldn't do it with out the support of my family friends and mentors and most of all guy I love you. Both may continue to bless you and he sent a picture in his gown and and and Some of the his fashion collection his first collection of his clothing line. I think it's Raqi Taylor but yes so listen. Larry we appreciate you. We thank you for celebrating yourself because you work through some really difficult life circumstances to get what you got so I hope that you continue to celebrate yourself and celebrate with your friends. Mike and your mentor sons. Tyree and Marcel 'cause y'all y'all had did did. Ronan or no Rona. Our next one is so brief she said I came here to say what I needed. Goods friend Oh this is your friend. Hey girl hedging good evening submitting. My graduation announcement. Phd In Higher Education from the University of Maryland. That thin yes. Go ahead go turtles. What is it again tariff last week and I was able to see her virtual defense. It was an awesome experience. Congratulations Dr Ginette Snyder. That's right I'm the next one says. Hey y'all my name is Lashanda and I wanted to start off by saying I love the show. That's helped me through these college years. I'm usually a person who does not celebrate my accomplishments. But I think this time I shoot on May ninth. I'm going to be the first person in my entire family to graduate from college recently. I got into Grad School and also found a job in a different state. I completed college all while working forty hours a week and going to my clinical rotation every single day. I will be graduating with a bachelor's in athletic training and I cannot wait to start my career. Thank you so much ladies for the encouragement laughter through your show. I hope your careers. Continue to go. Up Anna. Congratulations to you okay. Oh this one look at how everything turns out. This one is near and dear to my heart. Okay First and foremost before I read it. I have to do a key. A real quick. Okay this next announcement is my is my littlest of little little sisters When I first met her she was four years old and she lives in New Orleans. This is my good boo Kylian and this comes from my other good Shayna Who also did my crocheting. That time I went to New Orleans. I told you all about and I'll make sure to also put her information description about Shayna says. Hey ladies sending love all the way from Nola. I'd like to give a graduation shot out to my little cousin. Her name is Kyle Francois and I'd like her to know we are so proud of the beautiful young woman she is becoming. Thanks Ladies Loving light to you both. Stay safe Queens. Keilan is my boo. Her Dad is a second dad to me. Her family is a second family to me. That is my family in New Orleans. I love them so much and I can't believe Kylian is graduating from high school. That absolutely just sends me saw her when she was a lifeguard. When we went down there last year and I couldn't believe that she had a job she had nails on hands. And I didn't know what to do with myself but I. This is very special to me. So shout out. And congratulations to my book island and also to my Boucher for writing in so good very good type of brown bear. I let me some Barry. The next one is hey cousins. I'll keep this short. That's it daughter. They a lot of this is a lot of negative exactly the hey. This is a lot of big as major shoutout goes to my oldest needs. Innova bore graduating elementary school headed to the big awkward. Where the Middle School Big Ed? So exactly secondly shout out to the oldest of all of y'all my nephew. Jalen graduating with a school in heading into High School. Yala growing before my very eyes. And I'm super proud to be your aunty and that comes from Caniggia. Yes Nisha girl. Yes girl and congratulations booze. Hi Jade and Kim. My name is Kayla and I'm from Columbia South Carolina. I have verse. Let you know how much I stand and look forward to listening to you ladies week secondly I want to thank you for offering this amazing platform for us to praise and acknowledge our family and friends for their amazing accomplishments. It is our extreme joy to do so key and I grin like to Cheshire. Cats dumbing ridiculous by graduation. Shout is going to my brother Knicks. Amazing Girlfriend Crystal Abreu. She will be receiving her master's degree in Health Administration next month in although an actual graduation ceremony seems unlikely. I wanted to take advantage of this opportunity to publicly praise. Her for her accomplishment crystal has worked incredibly hard to earn this degree and has done so while working fulltime as an rn at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta Georgia. We know that it's hard work. Great Atlanta's Georgia's while and right. Now I know this. Last semester was especially stressful with the added layer of the cove in one thousand nine pandemic. But I just want crystal to know that we see and admire her grind. My brother chose a boss and our entire family. Loves Crystal Pieces? Congratulations this we love you. Impre the very best for you in this next chapter when Ronan has done showing out we will properly turn up in the way that you deserve with. Love your sister Kayla. So congratulations so much crystal and also thank you as an essential worker for standing on the front lines when people out here acting like whole assholes. Baby good baby first responders. Hello Jane in Kia. I hope you're doing well. We're hanging in there. My name is Markeith and I'm riding in in today for myself because I will be receiving my master of science in animal findings at the North Carolina agricultural and Technical State University also known as North Carolina. A and T in the year of our Lord. Twenty twenty on. May the ninth. The struggle of writing. Your thesis from Home Has Video Conference. Call your advisers. We'll child we know if the ghetto I will also be attending veterinary school ever gene Maryland. College of very well I can. I can read. I'm going to try that one more time. I'm sorry I will also be attending veterinary school at Virginia Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine in the fall. If the Lord allows you so church off thank you guys for all you do especially for giving me peace during this uncertain time. Congratulations Marquee yes. If the law says the same we we pray that you have an awesome semester at the Virginia Maryland College of Veterinary Medicine. Come and we also hope that when you get that degree get that bitch. Carol Baskin Outta here. Veterinarian Veterinary Studies Jaeger. My name is be. I wanted to shout myself out. Even though I took five years to complete my undergraduate degree I'm graduating. That does not matter. I'm graduating in. May of this year or I was before corona hit after two major changes in two summer courses later. I finally know what I WANNA do as a career and I'm currently applying to Grad School in Chemistry. Thank you for your podcast. I appreciate hearing the real experiences of real life adult black women every week. Congratulations be in it. No matter how long it took you did it and got there. Nobody asked no. When you get your degree nobody say how long it take you to get it that. It's not a question new guy that's all that matters and we are proud of you are the next email says. Hey cousins first and foremost I wanNA thank you all for having such an amazing show and congratulations on another year. Under the belt girl you ladies have been a breath of fresh air especially during my downtimes from steadying anyway. My name is Victoria. Nawabi Boo I hope. I said that correctly flow to I try to embrace do this. But many call me Tori. I'd like to shout myself out for obtaining degree number three as a master of science and Physician Physician Assistant Studies from Indiana State. University graduation was supposed to be may ninth but they are doing. Some virtual ceremony may sixteenth with all the levels of graduation all the loves of education. You know what a physician assistant it is but we are healthcare providers who work in collaboration with doctors. Nurses nurse practitioners similar to N. P. except we focus more on Medicine education similar to MD's So basically we can see diagnose and treat patients that being said it's It's nervous but an exciting time to enter the healthcare industry with this pandemic however. I'm ready to help fight. The good fight for the health of many my goal is hopefully work in. Obgyn full-time an urgent care. Part time currently home in Georgia studying for my licensing board exam so I take all the prayers from the community. Sorry for the long messages but thanks for reading this. Be Blessed and stay safe out there. Torie yes Tory Fun fact. I was actually. I was going for my. I was going to be a physician assistant before I was going for nursing before I did. None of that congratulations stories. We are really really proud of you. We're rounding out soon. We only have a four left. Shout to my says hijacked and Kia. I love Y'all yeah. I can't believe you're going to read what I wrote. Okay here goes. I'd like to shut up my sister. Asia Azure Rochelle. Newbold for graduating may second for Florida Agriculture and manufactured from Florida agriculture and Manufacturing University with her bachelor's degree in interdisciplinary studies with a concentration in health science also a member of the National Council of Negro Women National Society of Course Scholars Alpha Kappa Mu Honor Society and a you Grad a feeder scholar Iza Asia. Just correct me if I'm wrong Took a few years off. Undergrad TO BE AN amazing cousin for all intents and purposes his mama to her Cordell in Mobile Alabama practically raised. She worked hard in the field. She was preparing to have a career in and saved for the right moment to go back to to finish up her bachelors and twenty nineteen she moved back to Tallahassee to her final semesters her job even allowed her to work remotely as work so hard and even got scholarship and join organizations that would allow for more opportunities to flow in opportunities flow in her direction. Everyone doesn't do things on the same timeline as everyone else and that is perfectly fine. Say it again. She remained diligent and prepared for everything. I'm proud of her making her plan. In executing it flawlessly and giving God all the Glory Ajit is an inspiration to me and keeps me humble and all my toes even more than she knows. She deserves the celebration of a lifetime for blazing her own trail and she will get all. This turned up super sister. Energy in person wants the Rona. Kicks Racks thank you? And congratulations to all the other. Twenty twenty graduates. Yes indeed yes. Congratulations Rachelle new bolt. Yes all your name and thank you for Radiation Hill. Absolutely we love to see it The next email comes from Camario Buchanan Camario rights. I am writing in not only to announce my graduation from the illustrious Skikda University as a chemical engineer to also share my testimony since the very first game grown graduation season. I have been waiting for the day when I could finally send in my own announcement as I was thinking of. What type of Bob over verse came to my all right yes. She's now into him. Who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think according to the power that work in US going into college for years ago I had three goals to be inducted into the chemical engineering honor society to graduate on time and to have a job lined up after graduation. Today I stand as not only a member of Omega Chi. Epsilon the chemical engineering honest society but as chapter president. I'm graduating not only on time but I'm graduating soon. Law and completely debt free Lou on the time on top of that. I don't just have any job lined up following graduation. I'm starting my career in a field that I am deeply interested in as it is highly lucrative and as I think back on all the difficult days and long nights on all the struggles. I couldn't see my way out of all the Times I didn't know how much more I could talk. Take sorry the verse comes to mind. It was God who lifted me up out of my darkness and place me in light Gabor the burden of those struggles and left me with peace of mind knowing it was handled. I know this is a bit Cherchi shots in this graduation didn't have him by my doing. I wouldn't. I would have given up giving up a long time ago. I made it through him. Who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all academic thing praise the Lord urge? Amen Amen Camario girl go. Hey I'd be. The first person ever caught a scripture in in an announcement I live me. Get get what you need girl which are lucrative job. I'm I'm very proud of you as we all know that. It is a challenge to kind of manage especially in feel like a chemical engineering. But you did it anyway and thank you because your testimony. I'm sure encourages people. Who are who are currently the fight. So thank you for sharing. Congratulations boom. Good Morning. J. Dr Kia love and appreciate you both. I wanted to acknowledge. Shout out my little boy. Jacob Marcel Hawkins who was graduating from fifth grade in June in the fall he will be starting middle school. And I'm so proud of the young man. He's becoming. Thank you both in. That's from Brooke. So we congratulate Jacob Marcel Hawkins for for graduating from fifth grade And we send you our love loves you. Enter THE GHETTO. Jungle that well holy. We're praying for you and Y- apparently Shaw. The final graduation announcement comes from a friend of the show. Ray Love junior junior says Heiki Jade and he's screaming masses topping lie. Y'All know have been a proud listener and internet cousins since day one. I've been patiently waiting for the day. I could ride in for graduation announcements to celebrate my one and only baby sister Ashley monate hearst. Who joined me in the illustrious HBU alumni club and graduated with her Bachelors of Fine Arts in dance from Alabama State University on. May first although she wasn't able to physically walk across the stage. We are so proud to see her. Virtually turn her tassell and margin to the next stage of life. We cannot wait to to celebrate this momentous life achievement with the whole family wants this pandemic finds resolve. Mommy and grandma loves you. A Fam- you alarm Raila junior and he sits in a fly a picture so so Ashley's Ashley's announcement and she is beautiful beautiful girl. Congratulations Ashley. Thank you ray. For writing in Magna cum laude. Okay we love to see it and listen that graduation announcements but in the spirit of shots in my sister and what this whole all stands for. I WOULD BE REMISS IN FAILING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT. This week is teacher appreciation. Sure is so. We want to acknowledge everyone. Who was an educator of any kind in capacities? We know now more than ever how much your work matters so There's anything that you can do to encourage support And lift up a teacher this week. This is the week to do especially. We should be doing it all the time. But now's a special time to just acknowledge all of their talent and skills and ability and the time and effort that they invest into our children in the patients who have to deal with multiple of these little niggers. All Dais shutouts all the teachers all my friends who are teachers all of my colleagues. Oliver bands or yes. My audubon was bond. The shutout Tristan has own. Okay we love to see but yeah. That's the graduation. And now if that's the first edition for those of you who are new to the party. We graduation announcements for four weeks. Oh every week in the May we will be reading graduation announcements during the shutouts and my segment. So if you have not had opportunity to send your graduation announcement and you still have time So go ahead and do that. And submit them via emails. Again grown PODCASTS AT G MAIL DOT COM. Yes congratulations to all the graduates. We look forward to reading more absolutely and now it's time for us to head on over to the kitchen table. What we were discussing the white women white women already. Let's go go go green and Jerry's three new non dairy frozen desserts are a new twist on Vegan euphoria so many nightmare flavors so little time Ben and Jerry's has three non dairy frozen desserts made with sunflower butter. The Ben Jerry Flavor Gurus have taken a big leap this time. These non dairy flavors are the perfect sweet treats for Vegans Vegetarians. 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Now come on But yeah I need to check that on out. Check out the Ben and Jerry's sunflower butter lineup. The whole ninth air family at Ben. Jerry DOT COM that's B. E. N. J. E. R. R. Y. DOT COM COM com. Okay welcome to the kitchen table. We have a very special guest tonight. A very special guest to vary some special things in a different way. I'm really excited yes. We're very pleased to welcome a New York Times bestseller and round purveyor of all things fabulous in black in woman. We wanted to Jones to the show. Thank you for table from having me. We've we. We're just excited and thrilled to have you here. Because you have made a career out of telling the world about themselves and we and we live. We aspire really and truly And we thought that you would be You have a certain level of expertise to of help us talk through this particular kitchen type talk segment because we are GonNa be packing the Karen meam. That has kind been viral in the INTERWEBS here recently. And it's something that you have a posted about are on your website awesomely Levy You know with regard to call cassidy and you've develop very interesting framework typology if you will of the many different ways that white women white women So we're GONNA talk. Yes why Women White Women White Women White women is actually verb. It's it's the thing that they do and I think we we just thought it would be useful conversation with this kind of unpack called Casati and Whiteness. And how it kind of makes itself manifest through social media and otherwise like in our lives And just kind of like how we are dealing with it and coping with it in still finding a way to keep doing our own respective jobs do our own our own work despite it so all of that but before we get into that. How are you like how how chat literally Molly Response To that child? The recalibrate really. You can't just be like I'm good because WHO's really good. Nobody nobody why. I'm just like chat. I don't know it depends on the day. Everybody working extra hard. I don't know anybody who's like. Oh Man I'm bored if anybody tells you they're board. I'm like how. How Jealous if your bird actually backs that is a privilege that I got Before we started recording to I don't carve out for the kid. I'm did a puzzle with her. Then come and get ready for this and we work through. The day is just getting her she. She got zoom calls she got more zoom causing me. Indeed shout your parents. 'cause y'all are putting in work and yellow put. These broke best friends out yet. So you put them out on the porch yet. So I'm really proud of you think you're doing amazing. I did put her on the fire escape for five minutes. But I'm Rebecca Becky. Jesus you're doing a great. I literally cannot imagine because it is everything. They takes me to take care of myself in this time. So the fact that you are raising a little person and I've heard the stories of the parental zones like my sister said her her daughter's soon class one of them. The kids does a countdown. We have twenty minutes left. Fifteen minutes left. She said I should be isn't the parents just like. Wow we or why? Why DOES WE WE OVER? So the parents have to sit in them. You guys have to like every like today. She ran for the mom next to me. I was like all right okay. I'll be there in a second and I'm I'm here trying to take a call. I gotTA call you back. I gotTA run back to the real. It's it's madness. I just bought her office area. We just bought her a whole new room to get her life together. I bought her a little desk so she does. She need us. But let's get into this good Oh Good Combo. The necessary convo. I don't know if it's good it's important. It is important so for those of you who don't know there has been A mean that's kind of taken the Internet by storm and it's kind of thin into sin thin kind of sparked a series of different think pieces in blogs and all kinds of stink pieces testing but Just people kind of waxing poetic and pontificating about what it means to be a you know just how they are experiencing the Karen stereotype. Many of the people are experiencing it in terms of how they use it and if they are if they fall within the the criteria of what constitutes Karen what that means for them so I think I posted it on social media. Today are just read. It really quickly for those of you. Who Haven't quite seen it yet. So someone by the name of Emily's Slavin said yes that K. Word is stronger than the end word at least currently misogyny and Patriarchy has been around longer than slavery. So just don't use either and there's a a a graphic says stop saying Karen Karen is a sexist and racist term that is the equivalent to the N. Word for white women calling a woman. Karen is an attempt to get rid of a women's right to stand up for herself or themselves so I saw that last week and handsome reactions which I want to be fair and let you guys. So let's just talk before we get into like the meat of the conversation. What your initial. What we're bubbles up to the surface for for the both of you at the reading of that particular mean or tweet right near and that's going to be violence. But I'M GONNA face like I'm talking straight like mortal Kombat kick her in the face which she's flying across the room definitely affect how to the point where you could say caring in the N. Word is in asterisks. That all by lets you know. Carry Weapons Same Hayward you've been you can become sick cuss bitchy cold. You drive. I only. It's hard hush the same way a Nigga if a Nigga is getting on my nerves. I'm a NIGGA. Her I'm a Karen Hush Hush caring. I ain't got nothing else for you. Wou- did I cut you off? Lovey? I'm sorry. No you good they just. WanNa be victim so bad so bad the like this. This is like jumping w trying to get in the road. It's like they're trying to get into the oppression Olympics. It's like I'm trying to jump in. I'm just trying to. I'm just I'm rhythm jump in the Dublin does the range they don't they don't have it who tho. This is a demonstration of car cassidy at its finest it really is just kind of like it is it is the embodiment of the where And level you define cassidy in your in in the you're awesome. We Love Levy pieces. You police last week. I was like caucases the state of unjust affairs. It's a mind. Stay in a series of real things that come from the privileges of Whiteness. So you say more about about that and just Kinda like you know that that definition I think is spot on but just kind of what informed that And what made you want to kind of put that put those words to paper in such a way? Yeah because I feel like people are like well. What's call cassidy? I'm like it's not just a thing it's A. It's how people think through things. It's how they like operating in the world with assessment of entitled Knit. It's dislike pick me. I'm the one that has been somehow victimize attitude a lot of white people have and you know. I think our cassidy is at the brunt of a lot of things that we're seeing. I think I caught cassidy. Is the reason why. The world is a dumpster fire right like why people are actually not the global majority okay. Let's be clear they're not gonNA Jordan or been there's a whole continent people don't look like they asked us and what they do make here to try to go pill that is called cassidy and your y'all s when Joe Sales in South Africa because it was nice a you saw freaking diamonds and golden sheet and so I feel like caucusing people were wondering are ever confuse what I'll casting is. Just think about steely okay like the legacy of cacophony all across the globe still in cultures. Land people okay. So that's capacity. I think it's entitlement agree. I love and willful. Absolutely because it's a IT'S A it's a. It's a choice to facts. It's a choice to ignore. What's right in front of your face so of being the entitlement that we know it is. It is a willful ignorance and wedding. Martin Luther King say is dangerous willful. Ignorance is dangerous. It's just ignorant. It's actually evil because a lot of cassidy has been able to deepen its claws around the world because it's been designed so once. They stumbled baby on a fish. Many initially have been ignorance. Then it became intentional became ocean. We got to actually build the whole system so we can stay on top because less jrue keeping one hundred. The whole point of racism is to overcompensate for where they short so all they have to create the system to stay on top because otherwise what we would have been doing our day is. I'm so glad that you said system right because I think we. We often lose sight of Whiteness as the system. And all of what? We were talking about kind of falls underneath that umbrella of Whiteness and whiteness just in terms of identity but like you said wideness being a system that was specifically designed to maintain a power structure to maintain how a society has stratified according to certain identities according to certain characteristics and traits. And anything that comes to threaten that systems by ability is something that has to be attacked. So that's what I that's what comes to mind for me when I hear means like this and think about the ways that white women Function around the centering of themselves in order to detract from everyone else's everything so it's like so what I'm seeing here with the comparison to the N. Word is it's like make anything that let's not make this about race because it's not about race this is about me and we have to attack anything that dissenters white that white narrative that white you know anything that Adam opposed to anything. That hurts my feelings. Anything that I disagree with anything. That makes me uncomfortable. And that's what that's what. That's what I think is at the at the bottom line of this because what it sounds like to me is a bunch of why women who are in their feelings. They don't like to be stereotyped in the ways that they have their your type of the people for centuries and is now it's like they're pushing back like Oh my God what you mean. What what do you mean? I'm the nicest woman ever. How dare you call me out of my name? Like fairy tales. A lot of the fairytale that we've been told for a long time is about capacity. Goldilocks no three bears. That bitch went to the house in foods. Like Mitch you come in my lay on my best one in the refrigerator and seeing what was that is that is gonNA bite out of everybody's fool. She don't even eat the whole thing. She out everybody who I don't like it. No run like western India west India. Say No Topsy. No harm the the three little. Thank all of my way Me Little Pigs Jack. And the beanstalk okay. All of them into the John. Think about it. Jack went to that like tree and that ends up like stealing their eggs and killed the giant at the end of it. Yeah so that was about America Jack into beings out of America being being enthralled with something that's different and I'd like you and when you realize that it has it has power that you don't have you have to take it out. I was thinking about because I even went back and read a piece on White. Women's tears Or why women wielding their tears weapons and I and I saw that comparison that well you kind of talking about Allison Wonderland drowned in the world and drowning the world. Her ears But you know we laugh. But that's actual real like that's actually the storyline. We not making that up. That's not a stretch. That's what happened and it's just like a perfect analogy for what we're dealing with agreed. It's crazy I think I think so. I'M GONNA talk. I want to get to your your the Becky Karen Versus Susan. Call and I call it a framework because you know I'm a research. Phd We think in terms of real smart you. I mean honestly you if I mean if in my humble opinion and I you know I have a long way to go but I think you have the makings of something here because this this has this has some feet does something he can walk. Because if you allow to extend it a little bit the way you because I was talking to where with one of my friends and colleagues Dr Felicia Commodore a professor at Old Dominion University. We were talking about this and we. We talked about So you talk about Becky Karen and Susan and Becky who who is younger than Karen and Susan is there mental and I'm GonNa let you kind of unpack who those people are but I have. I think when when you talk about it put me in the mind of someone who I feel like is is there for mother. But I'm GonNa let you go. I'm GonNa let you go. I I feel like there's one one character archetype of character in culture that we can reference that walk so that becky carrying Susan Koran but but So let's talk about. Let's talk about Becky Let's talk about Karen. Let's talk about Susan. Where should we start okay? So let's start with Becky a lot of times. We been here people being like Becky's thing that's been US lately before. Karen became really big vacuous that they use for white girls. But I realized I was like Becky and Karen. Ain't the same no because Becky is caring and training okay. Becky is Karen Apprentice. All right she just developing. She's not asking for the manager but she's asking for order to be set back to the kitchen. That's Becky and you know. She loved her some like Ugh. She always brings the starbucks with the child. Latina civic orders. That she won't if you don't get it right. She goes. Send it back. She's not riesling in that. You could right to like Ariana Grande Day. That's how that's her Halmi and Taylor Swift's those our homeys okay. So that's becky right. And then we got cared. Karen notice I need to speak to your manager. Okay she got the bank. That's blonde with stripes in think like ten minutes. Kate plus eight you kate glyphosate. Yes has bad highlight lights holding. Her whole goal in life is what she considers fairness. Right I can't I get this because I'm supposed to have it absolutely this. Karen is the one who's definitely give people fired from the job. Because she asked the manage it was like they didn't do this thing for me and then now we got Susan. Who's their mentor right? Just ask for the manager. She asked for corporates number. Yeah he's going to join us at the top with the no no no. Susan is called. Ceo of the company and saying why copies wrong. She insists that the whole store be closed. Down the hall store be cloned. It's true it's true. The Whole Company. Just everything showdown. Everybody okay. So he's unhappy because she's unhappy. When Becky's not happy becky tells Karen and Karen Tell Susan breaks host. Got It. A hand guided. It's been handled. Yes they are terrorists all three of Martinez because they're the Damsel in distress. And the world. This setup coddled them so everybody runs and it's like I gotTa make sure they're happy. Meanwhile there's all types of people in their wake because all they care about is what they thought entitled to Right. Did you see that clip of the The mother who got arrested at the park and she got she. She got arrested at the Party and because they told her that her kids couldn't play on the playground and she refused to let her kids get off the equipment and so the police arrested her and everybody a black women white woman rallying around okay. You know hollering. Who who would you I? Is that a Susan McCarron or Becky lovey. That's a Karen got a five year old. That's a caring okay whose life doesn't have young children restaurant now okay. That's Susan. Is Becky Grandmother? So becky my have that might be becky or carrying dependencies young. Monday night but they will have grandmother Susan but even above Susan. What I didn't include is the over sixty. Some people are saying. What Gertrude Elaine? You're I lean man becky below Becky we have really oh teenager because you know she becomes Beck. There's levels to this stuff so much right so when you think about it like like you said. It's all about their comfort their their desires all these things have missed the in place to ensure that they are that they feel like they are the center and anything that dissenters dissenters the white woman A is a threat to her. And that's what forces to attack and attack we mean tried to dismantle whatever it is that you know so when. I was thinking about this. It made me think so. I think when you read a lot of the blogs that exists out there about you know white women who are responding to know this Karen mean and how they feel about it It originated the first person who kind of made it hot more recently was a blogger in the UK. Her name is Julie Bendel. She is a lesbian feminist. That's how she identifies herself and she her position was that this this Karen Stereotype was about class because people who are It's more about entitled rich wealthy Upper middle class people calling Karen's Lower to middle class people And then you have other older. There was a woman trying to find the link right now but there was a woman who role for the The Guardian She was talking about Just how an older woman you know she. She felt like she was being personally attacked and she saw this as kind of like it was interesting. The worse she used there was one particular part that I shared With my friend who I was talking about this earlier she was like you know it. She was quoted as saying. I'm not like I could call all black women Nia because NIA is common. Where is a common name for? Black Women but since I don't But rather than rather than assigning a name to person because I don't have the mental dexterity to ask them or to find out what she says she said because I don't have because they don't have the mental dexterity. I'll find the exact quote but it was like an it was her whole position was about you know. She felt attacked. Because people were making assumptions about white women in these ways It made me really think about What it means for why women like this this notion of them feeling threatened and wanted to dismantle things that seem unjust so they're attacking things like misogyny in they're attacking things like class but they are being intentional about making this about race Because for whatever reason racism a conversation that makes people uncomfortable and we have to do things to make white people white women comfortable right because making them uncomfortable is not what we want So if I may made me if the mother of of Eileen Susan Karen Becky and Kaley I think from the color purple walked so that these women could run. And when I say that it because I think Miss Millie to me was kind of embodied that well intentioned white woman who presents as someone who is honorable and good like inherently. And you know she does good things for colored people that's even take it further back miss and walked. Well really could run right. Less less be why women have been able to get away with being these people getting the smoke your way. The white man white man easy smoke. Let's give them your clean smoke. Yes go ahead. Why women have like somehow just got away from any type of blame. Though we talked about white men used to rape there. They're the black women who they enslaved. The white women knew they were the ones who not just said nothing. They instigated no. They were the ones who were doing all types of shady so the Miss Anna. Bit All right. It's time for white women to start getting smoke. Dave Park to get the smoke. Because I'm like Yo y'all are not innocent. Y'All can take all this heat and if you can't take it you go have to deal. The heat is coming is coming. Because we're not gonNA stop having these conversations. We're not GONNA stop calling you out because it's been we. We spent too much time worried about your feelings and your feelings are not the center of the world. It just reminds me of I don't know if you all watch black ISH But there was. Did you see the episode? The girlfriends reunion where it was. All the white women feminists and they're out there allies right banning together for what women deserve but when they start calling them out about what marginalized women deal with even more so than what they deal with. They didn't want to discuss it. Got Uncomfortable with right you know and so it just. All of this reminds that reminded of that episode. I just wanted to bring them no totally. I think that discomfort is where the change in their transformation happens though right because there is no growth without discomfort and I think we get stuck in these places because people always want to shirk these conversations about race and what we call people to task about about being responsible for what they say and what they do like. You can't and it for me. What West strikes me as as as a woman who navigate spaces there? Are you know as a educator? There's tons of white women all around And why women in power. So I I see these things through the lens of power in a lot of different ways but what I what I hear in this whole oppression Olympics thing and white women Kinda vying for this position in that. It's like you know. Are you dismantling the system? That says that you know that questions why we live in a society that has these sort of stratification. And or are you saying that you want to be at the top because because it's like it's not it's your are you talking about the Patriarchy in terms of dismantling it so that we can all be equal is equity. Your your aim is inclusion your goal. Or You just saying that you want what the white man has. Because I'm not necessarily when you when you say things and when you put the case where you say in and then Nigga aren't the same Mike I don't know where like what are you even mean like that's like I don't get it. That's that's and that's the danger and all of that. That's the danger in the fact that you think that this comparison is an equal comparison. The fact that you think an entire system of that has happened and has been put in place in order to oppress A person because you're feeling uncomfortable because somebody's calling you are for your bullshit that is where it becomes a very dangerous situation. And then the fact that they feel like they're well intentioned makes it even more dangerous I feel like and I think the problem starts when they're young because Yours thing if you grow up and people trust you more with your feelings you'd be less likely to be so touched by the smallest challenge. I think it starts when they're young and they get participation trophies get caught old Sudan into adulthood and they don't know how to be challenged. I have Muslim audience. Black women probably half of audience is purply black women who always speak to but also have other half maladies a diverse and it was by accident. I wasn't really talking to them but they like stuff. I was like cool so I started realizing I was like well since they listen. Let me let me go ahead and start challenging the Muslim stuff for going to take you. Actually how they take. It has nothing to do with me. I'm still GONNA say it and I found that a lot of the white women who followed me. We're like Yo when I first started following you. It was kind of uncomfortable. Because you know you would challenge us and say these things and I started feeling defensive but they were like I stopped one day and was like is there some truth to it and I'm like oh I'm sure a bunch followed me but I'm like what does the world look like if more if they were more challenge more often right like if they got more people telling them? I'm sorry you don't get a cookie just because you're not racist. Okay not supposed to be that as the minimum okay. Lowest Common Denominator of all of this for Bas- is amazing beds. Ac Okay Y'all love basic why women. Let's start talking about how basic some of these expectations are. That challenged needs to constantly happen and they also saw changing themselves. The ones Becky's and Karen go talk to the Becky's and don't go friend's cousin's your mind your responsibility to do that. Where it really your responsibility to do their work. Not Us right so like we. I think I think this is. This is awesome because I wanted to make sure that this is not. This is not about this kind of dragging white women specifically more than it is about. Us calling out whiteness and how it functions and and the fact that you know we all have a lot of learning and learning to do when it comes to understanding how wideness designed and how we can resist it actively how we can call it out in ways that are not harmful to ourselves into others And we have to really Kinda bill those muscles and it's going to be uncomfortable for everyone because we have all acknowledged the ways that we have been completed his. We've all been steeped in this. We all grew up hearing those fairytales. Textbooks all of those things and now that we know better. We are charged to do better and hold The people that we are in community with Responsible to that as well so thinking along those lines. What are some things that we can do from where we are like? Some people are saying. I don't have a platform. I don't have a blog. I don't I don't know how to like how do I start calling things out. Is it enough for me to just kind of you know? Respond in my own life What are some things that I can do if I WANNA BE OF CHALLENGING THIS PINK? National should do really needs to focus on who's in our actual circle right a lot of times. People are thinking. Oh because I don't have a platform. Nobody male facebook. I'm like you know what honestly the facebook Kness the tour of it all is less important than how you're challenging the people you can touch that you can call that you can text bright you be. You can be posted in. All types of status is on facebook. But if your mom is racist and dislike. That's just how she is. Then that status on facebook no matter because the person closest to you is allowed to say these things so we gotta start with our own circle our own tribe with our own family so actively challenging that way our friends because a lot of us went to a lot of us did not go. Abc's allowed unwanted. W is way we became acquaintances. Was Why do like us? Well enough quotation marks right. Well we can use that proximity to make sure if they put something crazy on facebook like sis becky listen. My goal came be saying that in LAS. Oh let me talk about. Wining is wrong like banking hall people who are right there next to me. The warm I say into random strangers. He's true right. That's true and I have a white friend and I have to give her her her props because the closest people to her her family moved to the racist people in those are the the races that she deals that she is in close to and she calls them out every single time for every ridiculous thing that they say for every hateful thing that they say I mean she calls them out like that. Those are the type of allies. We need that as an ally you telling me you don't see color. You are not an ally because if you don't see color than you don't see the oppression that we're dealing with but if you see what's going on you need to see color so you can understand the injustice allies accomplices. The franc's protesters concept was up. L. Is a person who was like. I don't like that thing that happened an accomplice. Who Make sure they do something? So the difference is an ally being like. Oh man police. Brutality is not cool. Okay that's an ally and accomplished will see a young black. Do being pulled over by cops and pullover next to them so they can watch so they can help de escalate a situation and serve as a witness so accomplices do OK allies say accomplices. Do we say that? We say that it's about putting your privilege where your mouth is right so it's about making it making it doing stuff putting things on the line like you know that there are things using your privilege for our to advance the cause. Not just to advance yourself. It's really where where is that. And I want to be conscious about telling people that there is a certain way that we have to have these conversations. You can have them in love but be honest and don't and you know steering away from protecting people's feelings. I'm saying that because I had an experience on jobless I work In inclusion in an educational institutional leaders who are advancing inclusion efforts on their campuses and a big part of my job is is is holding people. See to the fire and saying what you know not quite but because you know. There's a lot of people with well intentions. Who feel like they know how to do this work and they don't so it's about being trained and knowing how to do so. I'm I'm fortunate enough to be a part of that training for people who are in power on college campuses but I've had several experiences. Where a white person will be confronted By a person of color on their campus and be called racist or be called out for some prejudicial behavior and then they come to me so the ACA say oh. No you know what happened. I mean I have. I have literally that has happened to me more than one time. And you know my mentors and people that are training me as I'm doing. This work are very very serious about me being on me and saying like now it's not the time the whole lowest paying now is the time now you know it is about. She's supposed to be uncomfortable if somebody called her a racist because that was their experience of her in. That person has the right to kind of say that. So it's about it's about saying and learning how to have these conversations where we can really just say what it what it is. It's not about me making you feel better if you are uncomfortable. That means that. There's there's a disconnect between who you are and who you want to be and it's not my job to change that it's yours so I think there's ways that we can have these conversations that are meaningful that are and not harmful to us and to the people that were that were talking to Because we have to. We have to find ways to do it. That's just the bottom line absolutely but like you said it's not our responsibility at this. Point is your responsibility. It's for sure you must be the accomplices as love. You said you have to speak up in that means stepping out of your comfort zone. That means If you know if it's something that's going to affect you how. How are you going to react to that? You know what I'm sure you. I'm sorry Brooklyn Brooklyn. Right now dirt bikes and they drive me crazy anytime anytime we have. More warmer is a little warm so the people are just excited they are. They are out here. Wallin but you have to be able to step out of your comfort zone and say okay even if this puts me in a place where I feel uncomfortable. I'm still going to speak on. What makes you for sure? Levy your book this Wonderful New York Times bestseller book. That is one of my favorite as you can see has been through some things because I be it is it is a reference a reference at just being here like Well lovey say like the culture. The culture segment is my my favorite And The specifically the chapters on racism in privilege. And I think what I love about about You and your work is that you know it is not A. It's not fit neatly into one box. It is you are authentically you and that has made space for you to be all of these different things author a spate of speaker. You know innovator a creator and I wanted to talk a little bit about your experience like you know how that journey has been for you and what what's next. What's on the docket? I know that love nation. The APP is here but just tell us what else is going on Komo funny. I'm writing too right now. My major do this week. Okay now actually address some of these topics about like what happens so the book is called the fear of Manual. Because my whole thing is my testimony. My journey is a series of doing things that scare the shit out of me in the NBA. Like Oh snap one. This amazing thing happened and I'm like you know what could happen if we all stop being so scared all the time everything call you right. I'd be like everything sometimes. I'm like man model things like I don't believe in fearlessness. Scared by some any dog goal is. You're not going to stop be scared. You just gotTa push passing a knob scared shitless. I'll do this. Shit anywhere is one way and hope for the best So they shed their skin and that they discussed that they can grow in. You know do do the next thing. We've gotTA WE'VE GOTTA keep saying skins that's what I'm doing. I'm shedding some skin. Songwriting look you know. This book is reading me for my own rights. Wow like I'm I'm writing stuff and I'm like Oh shit. I need to read this book law town. That's how you know you got good stuff right. The House I what is meeting me for my rights so I'm excited about that. It's coming out next year. So yeah that's that's a big part of mine that's a big part of my year is going to be getting that edited. You know I got the publisher of my dreams House today. You've lost is working hard to do that. You could paying true you out here case so yeah just doing a lot of work content creating just doing the things that I feel compelled to do right now and I said I constantly pushing myself to challenge myself to be better because as I'm writing do better manuals on right now. These pieces trust every day. I'm challenging myself. Like girl your trash again there go. I'm trying to be less trash every single. That's what I'm committed to just testimony own heart but that's that's a testament to how wonderful and beautiful. Your work can be when you are being authentically yourself and when you are speaking to you know and you're really trying to use your words in. You're not just putting them out there because you know they're gonNa be nice for people to read. You're trying to actually live that. That's the thing that's that's a wonderful thing. Anything Courage to me right. Because it's like you know we're GonNA think gravity. It's I feel like Wesley Bank. Read it I love that that Beer couched in your paradigm. I don't know I love you. Love that because you know it's not going anywhere we go. We time I was like oh I literally. I was struggling struggling this last two months. Finishing this book was like eight. I got some nerve. Have some nerve. I'm writing a book. My fear fighting every day obstinate and I'm like being challenged to write this book. Best making me step outside of myself to write this book for the youth from ten years ago. Afraid to call herself a writer because she thought Toni Morrison's writer. So how dare you call yourself the same thing? Write that book for me. That was twenty and had no path that was like set straight now today. Which which you we with ironically enough if you go back and listen to the twentysomethings episode. Love was one of our beautiful contributors. Who was able to write a letter to her. Twenty year olds off as well. If you had some like just a couple of words right now twenty year old self. What would it be? That's the we adler if I had a couple of the twenty year old me. I'd say it's okay that you're going to be a doctor because God's plan is better than anything you've come up with. That is what I would tell me. Three hundred dollars or fifteen years ago out myself. You know what? It's okay. What is coming for? You is greater than anything you could have actually thought about and hopefully to walk with less anxiety. Hopefully okay be the Nigerian who wants to be a writer Chow degrees. Yeah Yeah Family. Come around has your. I'm sure there are. They still tell you get a job. No good my mom. My mom would be telling off a neighbors about me like you watch S. leaks. She's an a documentary on Netflix. She did yes love like I'll go with. You know her. Her neighbors would be like. Oh my God your mom's so probably like really she hasn't told me you go like Lebron. She she's just like close enough close enough tire her two thousand sixteen. So remember that I. I literally like this is what I've always wanted to do. And then after that she really say But Yeah No. They're my family's proud like they're really just like bill battery behind my back man. I'm like I'm doing this because I want to create legacy of Our Name. I want my kids to be proud of me. I want my grandmother who died nine years ago. Who I'm dedicating the second book to be like my prayers. Were not in vain so yeah. That's beautiful I really enjoyed having you at the kitchen. Y'All shit we I mean. This is not the last time that we get to kick me. We know you doing important work right now but you know anytime you light up on. You have to come back on so we can talk. New Book is out please. Okay how back because we had our good. We had good bro. Michel arsenault became came after he released his God. Do I let him. I sat here and watched it through his processes. While he's like Mitch. I gotta turn something in right now. My ten minutes can wear your words. Yeah I do have to come back to discuss San Gabriel book lab so we just do vein loudly not proud of you to your Stein getting grown. What five years ago. Three feels like much longer. I where hearing Bilas and I'm so glad y'all hear your voice is out here. It's necessary I love it all your blackness I love all this blackness right here. We are all we got. 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I WANNA be very responsible of the things I say to my sister because everybody can petty p. e. to the T. T. Y. Alright it's time for the petty peeves and I'm GonNa go quickly so that our wonderful queen of petty who happens to be in the building can go and my sis can go so Pity peeve is for the cops right now obviously always but I had to go out quickly to go give something to my friend to go drop something off to her house and she had to go file a police report so I drove her around the Corner Trod. Keep her out of the. You know this nasty air that we're all dealing with right now and So I stood outside. I was like girl won't be going in and at least six officers walked in with no mask going none at all but you all are responsible for issuing citations out in the world right now for these people who refuse to have decent humanity by wearing masks for you know for other people who are dealing with things so it's for them for the people who are supposed to be setting the example but obviously we know that we're not we can't we expect much from them And also for the cops. Oh my friend went to go file. A police report because one of her neighbors is threatening her After she asked men turn his music Dow. She's like it's coming into the meetings. It's coming all into the house like can you just turn it down a little bit. The nigger ran off. You know ran. His mouth threatened her life or whatever so she now has to file a restraining order against this person and When we went to the precinct and I outside she came out. They didn't even let her file report. They told her she has to go through a whole process. Go to another courthouse. Do this in that in the age of Corona and so the NYPD can eat act and that is my petty this week Okay lobby Is there are. There are things that are getting on your nerves. Are there something that you would? That is a pet PEEVE OF YOURS. Something something somebody anything that is currently a gripe for you that you wish to share with our audience can be a community around our petty. Yes yes this walking cheeto. Who was our president? Oh my last four nothing you like. Everyone's petty show. I just I don't understand how we got here like. Denver said nobody's supposed to be. We're supposed to be we. We just did. Not His response. Is Ho Corona virus? Thing has the whole world laughing at us. I just did a threat on twitter today where I asked the question of you know question to who doesn't live in the United States. What country are you in in? What is the reputation that Americans have their? Y'All responses who asses and a lot of of course starts with your president is trash. Wonder why you guys have lost your whole mind by Boeing for being a president so I am perpetually irked by hand by his minions by anybody who thinks he's now anything but dumpster fire and I just hope and pray that in November. We're able to get him out. And I know a lot of people were like. Oh my gosh are vote are not for it. Lord but here's we have to be realistic. What the person that we want to run our country who was like ideals whose pure does not exist right now for US option. I just I'm not voting for a person. I'm voting against somebody. I just want people to vote blue in November so we can get him out because he's killing people say three thousand deaths are projected per day in her day. We have to get him out. So that is that is not even a little bit interesting. Interestingly enough my pet peeve is two fold it was going to be for duty And just as they responsibility around his comments and I'm just like first of all. Don't say nothing to me about what we should or should not do until you give. May's total black ROB and arrest the bad boy their money. Where their things okay we? They need their thank you out here talking about all this other Jibbidy Jabber on twitter that people once well limb slim. Don't even look. He don't even look slim no more he. Don't I mean we car Thomas? The people need their things. Hello and I also have a pet EP for whoever advise me and I mean this is I guess I guess I had to be upset with myself because here we are at like six to eight weeks to the quarantine outer even know what today is but here. We are in my. I have jail on my Dale Nail Polish on my toes and I just keep looking at my see is total discuss because I cannot do anything about this and I think I need to go Amazon autumn. 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Episode 9 - "From Thug Life to Triumphant Life" Part Two, with Author and Educator Reggie Beaty

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Episode 9 - "From Thug Life to Triumphant Life" Part Two, with Author and Educator Reggie Beaty

"Walking to another episode of speak-out World, I'm your host Jay L.. And your host Dino Ale, and thank all of our listeners to our speak out I guess and we're so excited to have A. To what we just completed ALAD JEWEL Dino l you know we just for those who tuned in last week had a wonderful guest reginal beatty who discussed on his part of his life, Doug. Triumphant Life. So Wreck G. Welcome back to speak out. Rope. Baby thank you. ME. Thanks over much I just want to give a the guests if there's anyone knew that as soon in just a brief recap of the conversation that we had in part one, you were telling us about. Your life growing up in Bankhead, which is. A community in Georgia growing up in that neighborhood and how after having such a stable life as a as a young parsonage your mom having the breakdown, how you all move to move to bankhead community. Just, some of the things that you encountered being in a community. As a young male dilawar harvey and just how you were able to overcome a lot of those struggles in growing up not knowing your father and so when we ended up the part one of that conversation talking about your book again. To try life you were telling us about a person that was instrumental in your life in. Terni things around. So if we could just pick up from there, a person that like where the fork in the Road Cain for you, and then how you get on the road to become this colonel in the army for twenty years is trainer as Educator And some of the positive things that you experienced at bank hit as well as we want. Because we know that not all day that side, but this hostage sized. And you speak out on. Well. Thank you for having me back first of all let me say. I think the number one thing that sticks out to me and I, I wonder how did those strong women? Race so many kids and I'm very tested I say those women because again I mentioned there were no father there but those mother's just there grit their resiliency. Just teaching us how to go about being able to bad not in all the negative ways because imagine this and most of us can't deal with one a two. A traumatic experiences. Is Real quick and just take a few minutes to acknowledged those people women mothers. We grew up in a community below adequate housing, fatherless families, daily drug use teenage mothers, and fathers cramming bikes, desert mothers, and children were limited low employable, skilled low readers skills. No college graduates positive role models, all these other things some kids attended school not but yet. Those mothers never gave up on us. and to me. If if someone abandons you did you live by yourself? But the old mother's toddlers. Family they told US standing together in spite of not having resources and they were able to deal with all all that trauma. And some people can't deal with. So before people that judge I would ask you to take another look and see yourself how could asa by that and so if I can you one thing I can't say enough about the my brothers obviously for doing the best they could but they were teenagers trying to help a younger brother. Mothers the Grit and the resiliency for not giving up. And deter me. Does does nothing greater than the love of a mother that I experienced and the other young people might community in spite of having to deal with all the other things? So that's just stands out to me. Ready I had a question here. After being exposed to positive nissen being on the road to educational experience what were some of your college experiences had. To your desk debt while thanks do. I remember I never forget it was. All this of nine, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six. My Mother and my mentor Barbie Gary, my family put me on a Greyhound bus where most kids get in the car and go they put me on a Greyhound bus and I think I may have one hundred dollars maybe a little more in my pocket with a super. Reggie Man. Where you live in that kind of like when you give it to make some choices and I may was to. Change me. That was tough. But I knew inside of me somewhere maybe subconsciously I knew I wanted something different. Last sometimes, good people do bad things and so they put me on a bus first time leaving the state of Georgia I got on a Greyhound bus. What seeing like twenty hour bus ride for in a car that will be two and a half hour. Ride in touch loose Alabama at stillman college with the GD until the only school that will accept me at that time and they took a chance on me. Stillman. It was different than Varma was different. person. was coming up to you speaking being really everybody had a common goal and I, was afraid I was scared because all of a sudden. I'm out here deficient the ocean I'm not used to this I wasn't in this type of environment what everybody's friendly. Everybody's studying studying everybody going to the library, and so I had to put on my street skills street sense and I had to be like the Roland you do as the Romans do when you're enrollment. So I start watching their behavior and they became my peer mentors I washed what they were doing. Is No longer were having babies on a regular basis and young born out doing things and studying. I wasn't used to that. The cognitive ability, and then I start watching their behavior and that's stillman. College although I did have money. I started up the first two days I started on another Greyhound bus hundred. 'cause. Use It is I felt like I didn't belong I felt like I wasn't good enough become how behavior and I never seen this before in Seoul was new it was brand new to me. Essentially, bilman. Start me now these brands and. Changing. My leadership skills that I had an know these folks from New York and Chicago and Miami and all these other places. They have a common goal we're talking nineteen, seventy, six and man. Rach were still going on and we still had I mean visual racism and all these other things going around. But stillman did something it was a small community. Single gender dormitories. All the behavior that used to head was no longer there in kids we're GONNA Librarian. And I just blend in and it changed me and then all of a sudden from. The leadership in a gang? All that booty says, I was doing that the leader. Of A game that we call ourselves the little boys. To change going over here around college student and watching their behavior and then out the first year of school watching. I ended up joining a fraternity in the avid good grades. I ended up being the president of the dormitory. I came the day of my chapter of the United Negro College Fund Vice President of the Business Club on. Club. Solve more I mean I. Would think that I major in extracurricular activities. Realities I had so much fun that I stopped going home. Just, accept the go visit my mother because now I started putting myself integrated into this new environment. Just became awesome, and then ultimately I got a scholarship brandon is stage military. That pay all of my education ultimate for Undergrad and graduate. School And ROTC was there and I became the first black. Cadet ROTC, commander at both schools because I went to Hugh. But our OTC program was a university of Alabama and Stillman I became the first commander of the Cadet Commander of the ROTC program of both schools and. I just changed leadership into something positive and I can't say enough about the students who were that surrounded myself with that I was able to transcend the type of leadership by head and gang like activity it's Robin burglarizing incarcerated. Well, here's the most important thing. None of my friends in college wasn't in well, it wasn't put my roommates and none of my friends in college knew about my past behavior. Entailed them because I would wonder would they judge me? They accept me yes. Because down in by me to their homes that I'd be constantly trying to steal raw Bergara. Those were things that I would say that stood out comed-. Just blend in and become. A traditional college student and I start acting. Like a college student and After I graduated from College Graduation I was commissioned Lieutenant and I cry I cry because I was happy. I was graduate my mom and my brother just a came to my college graduation I didn't. I was happy. I actually cried because I was sad I was graduating from college. All the best year then that foundation that Stillman and those professors gave me for believing in me, I can't say it was an extension of Bobby Garrett and my mother. At my college. In spite of the fact that I was broke again. But you were rich. You know you you were rich experience. You were rich in what you were learning and you were rich in. Pepper, Pepperdine's your life in in a new direction and so. what makes. What someone else may consider that you were poor but. You you really wasn't Reggie you know, New Jersey Right. You think about it. I had an opportunity from leaving Atlanta leaving my high school, which the alternative school because you the think of it. There is no. No without opportunity. That's right. It gave me an opportunity when they accepted me with Gd they allowed me will one year of high school with limited transcript to be able to come and how can you have hope if you don't get an opportunity and so many kids around the country. Have Hope because they are no opportunities you can't just. Automatic defined it up in the sky and pull it out, and that's why I say you need both. Opportunity to do well and people do better when they know better. But you also need to have better and without those two things I don't how you're going to navigate mazes call especially as a youth as a child without support. Jump. Right now. Lack ready to become karnal, matriculating all the way through the US army to become Karnal Imagine L. dollars as well as hundreds of soldiers and several buildings knowing that you are. On the streets of banking speaking out on that. Will. Leadership Leadership Leadership I guess away as a handsome and what was early on. Misconstrued by me and applying the wrong way but. I got really really quick. I enjoyed the military I spent seven years in Germany. I love from initially commanding thirty. Soldiers to a hundred and then ultimately to a thousand plus soldiers. As, a lieutenant colonel and then all of a sudden I commend the Canyon which only less than one percent of the lieutenant colonel than the military get selected for that position. Dish into been selected my first time to go to one of the prestigious college schools called commanding. General. Staff. College but. Then get selected for all these special opportunities. I was selected as one of the primary planners for the fiftieth anniversary of World War Two by know attended by kings and Queens, and the president of the United States. But I was the primary planner but that now. Is A man. And those things are mentors who saw something in me and? Give me the lead unit and so and then I was selected as the then I left and while I was still in the military I president George Bush came to middle, Tennessee State University I was a professor well. So with the graduate school there and I was selected as the best instructor in the nation for all colleges and universities. ROTC. All those things civic man of the year in the state of Oklahoma. So that military experience gave me a foundation. There's something hit me deem. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, got the most drip or call. I was on my way I knew I was going to build general officer. Watching the Colin Powell the world accelerate I knew in my mind that I was on that track Bill Jill, and Riddick call that. Mother had passed I would live in Homa, I, left my family and Atlanta. I got that call and I still have some angry man I. I remember to this day I'll put a hole in a wall when I got that call from my niece Sam. My mother had when sometime in a bit can change you so I have some having. The desire of being. A general. To knowing that I'm lost so much connection with. Where I came from my family and other things and so it just as much trajectory great military career win taking things from it. It taught me so much around strategic planning and leave it up at exit planning to adjust for moment promoted me moving on to my next phase of my life. Sometimes, you have to find the good in everything that happened. But it was hard for me to find good in the delta my mother at a young age of fifty nine. And I tell people killed my mother, I don't mean literally. But. Because of my bad behavior of previously I had stress in her life and so the military prepare me I can't say enough about that trajectory that Trot. Triumphant. Life. But. I made a choice to retire from the military as opposed to stay here on compared to what my senior periods my they wanted me to stay in. But I knew that was something else out there for me in that next. A next phase of my life. Yes while in. Can You You know if you feel if you feel comfortable with at Reggie, can you? Talk a little bit how. the death of your mom really. Just impacted you like. Did you feel. Guilt or even though you hit, it still turns your life around you. Can you share what us a little bit about that you'll autos three phases of life, and that's the plight how you got somewhere the fight in my case, how do you get out of it and then the right? The right part of my life I'll say, how can I say this lady this woman this beautiful being who gave so much of her cell. And so her death. Breath four that already made decision though I had license in real estate and insurance and investment lies and I WANNA get out and make a whole lot of money and. I W's one of those certifications. Because when my mother passed. I say man. She lived a short fifty nine years here. I was doing things. I was able to go back and give her all kinds of materials stuff. But the say happened frankly jewel when. I realized that there were so many kids will. Living the life that I lead a may not ahead the Bobby Gares May. Environment that needed to get out of that place, and so I see it I need to on her, and so I initially started a scholarship or her name just to give money, and then I realized that no, that's not enough The something to be said about some of the skills and talent in nontraditional way. That she was such an awesome woman and I always ask why did she not give up on me and my brothers and sisters? It was her love that unconditional love and as a result. I dedicated the rest of my life and I never get Ann in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty when she passed two years later retired I dedicated the rest of my life to honoring her. Mothers and families like the one that I had and the people I grew up in. Dacian had led me now only to who I am today, but what I do what I believe them, because they made such sacrifice and why not mean. So that's what it really did and thanks for the question, my mother and what she stood for. No, they'll the mothers by fighting for what's right and it has led me to what I'm currently doing the my life now. that. Reggie. discuss. After retiring from the US, army's at how this is land you in to work with the Georgia State Department of Education and all. that. What you do too. So. So if you look back, you'd think about it a you look at. Data informed story the. Inspire. And what I mean by that data important stories inspire inspire. Okay. As you look at things that are going on in the country around corona and things that data informs us and they, you see what the medical folks are doing and the first respondent that's inspiring but the data tells a story. So my focus and dedication on education. And when I look at the fact that any given day. You can look at their enrollment at our juvenile justice system around the country, and they'll over six thousand young people incarcerated like the register the world. If you look at it three point four million kids that have found themselves in out of school suspension three point five, million kids in school suspension in in the year. Two hundred, thousand young girls find themselves team team mother. So when you ask that question holiday, inform how they take me from working with school system now that the data that important, but it also has a help us inspired when we see that there's a way that you can come out of this, but it's not an event, it's a process. Leadership has allowed me to now come back into my state I led the largest of the chief operating officer of the Lodge Dropout Obituary Organization in the state of Georgia. About for years and then. The governor of Georgia X.. Lead, the team that started a to statewide initiative, the graduation cultures, and so I led the team that put in train the graduation coach in every middle and high school in the state. Yes, and then I stopped my gut saying now so many kids like the rest of the world that didn't have an opportunity to go to nontraditional at school. So communities in school with my former organization got money from. Several foundations and the building Lyneham. Bill Gates Foundation. gave us about twenty five, million dollars. So I learned a team that put together these nontraditional schools that ultimate has graduated over thirty thousand plus kids who otherwise would not have graduated and led the team to put them. I had a whole lot of the major understand when I say I am not telling about me I'm saying I may have been the leader, but leadership is law. So when you put good people around, you're not intimidated and. A lot smarter than I am in my circle. So all those things put together you've counts at tech and emory. Those days let me to, and then at one point I made a decision that I wanted to do more because they promoted me executive vice president chief operating officer, and then I became the bean counter and administrative been evaluations and all of that. That really wasn't my heart my heart was in the streets and going into schools and doing the work, and so I re- I reside. For the last ten years I had one stop became vice president of a historically black college and university in Augusta. And then I realized I still wanted to do more and so I'm on my own organization with the current work that I'm doing right now. Out. Reggie that. Is A lot. By that is a lot in the in the different avenues in ways that you have taken your experience and want to be able to touch grabbing, teach in reach other young people so that they will not fall into the trap APPs. that. May Be set before them because of where they live or because of their economic status I'm really curious about the respond she received from. Two sets of people. One from your. Colleagues once she put the book out and you talked about. Your child her life to triumphant life, and then a part to this question the response you get from other young men who I look at you like. He doesn't know He. been. I gotTA, make this money all of those things, and then when they hear your your testimony. I mean, what's the respond? So I don't those two different worlds really that you're touching in house the responsive. Let me also the first part about the young men and teenagers that idea with Dame. I love that I love that they were so receptive not about the book because even when I was in the military and doing all of the things I always how to nick for just want to just be around young people and and I was I went connect with young people and I can understand their plight and some of the things 'cause sometimes in education and Other places we look in the mirror and because we were on nice clothes and all these little things, and we tend to say that and look at people and unintentionally sometimes we judge. But when you're looking at it through the lens of a young person, you have to ask yourself as an educator not from where I came from came young person come and if you. Can build a better relationship because it's not about you and sometimes we want to dictate entail without listening and that without being active listen nerve and the only way you can engage their young person to build. Let's shift. You got to hear their store well in my case, not only that I. Listen to their story I experienced their story and unfortunately. In some ways they gave me some credibility in there is what? Street Create Street and I don't particularly care a lot about street credit 'cause without the me. No. One would go through the journey that I went through and that some our young people going through. So that's the first grew. It was very easy. The second group where you talk about adults that already held the appeal on accelere I had that in my own mind the reality was. When so many people who knew me and were who knew about my work and was encouraging me to write. So many of them were amazed at my journey and I can't tell you how many people have told me what the book has done for them. They didn't know that about my life they couldn't believe it what it has done to inspire them. Young people, some parents giving it to their children It's just been just overwhelming. The Mount over people who've contacted me from educators to ministers my roommate called me. My. Roommate in college he called me and say man. I did not realize. So I will tell you jewel it's just been overwhelming. How receptive people have been and the comments I've received it'll by the way, I was about to go on the road. We're both that into churches. Then all of a sudden we got hit with Doke Arana buyers and turns But. That's okay. You know I I'm okay. I'm in a good place. Good place and that to happen again, I can't wear. It's really allows me to accept those things I can't change, and so but the most important point is I have the courage now that I know I'm going to go forward and going to do more work than so long gas a short extremely receptive. The problem wasn't everybody else the problem was me. Wow in want to release so much myself talking about things that are so personal. Personal but yet I'd say I need my mother what was she want me to do and so it just allowed me to tell the story and maybe I can help. Another child that files themselves stuck in the game almost point of no return. Breath. Lash suggest foul. In. The sense that. I'm aware of your foundations for educational success and as a former administrator principal I you come into the school were with my teachers on team building and was sold it. That I could see the difference in the way. You of the teachers but the teachers. Students and I speak out on your work westbound dacians and he. Says and how Paxton's features and parents. Today. Mitch around the foundation and thank you for the question and I. think that's you know I talked about the three phases of my life. The plight highlights getting stuck in their game and then the fight all the gods moral compass angels that helped me get out of it, and then the last part is the right and that is what are we going to do about changing the trajectory of so many other folks and so My business partner, Tony Owens, and I. About seventeen years ago, we created this organization called the foundation for Educational. Success it was initially honor the Beatty Foundation honoring my mother, but it really didn't tell the work, and so I changed the name to the foundation for educational success and we take a three prong approach. Most of the time we think about education, we think about school. The first thing that comes to mind is teaching and learning, and the first thing you think about is what happens with teacher curriculum instruction well, I can tell you that in a lot of schools. That have not thought this way. Some schools need to think differently in my opinion and because we're putting the cart before the horse what I mean by that, you can tho curriculum curriculum curriculum all day but in school the suffering and the culture and climate is broken and it's hurting and teachers are not able to teach and leaders are not able to deal with curriculum and watching over teachers do what they're supposed to be doing and you bring about behavioral from. Teachers, principals parents and teachers. Then you're not going to call the right learning environment and dean. That's what you were doing in your school and we just added to that and so we took a three-pronged pronged approach. The first one is a student focus. How do we get people turn on the living so they can get turned on the learning. Growl, tell me about learning. If are not living if I can't see backley just mid motivation don't tell me to come in with that Mara couples around what I'm supposed new right with young minds and so as our first focus was. Who am I mean Tau you got to ask these questions who am I where am I going and how do I get there but more importantly if I look in the mirror every day and I, see myself being the old way I grew up the way I was then there's no Internet role did you can say you want to be successful but if you keep along that trajectory is not. Going to ask, but it has to be critical thinking skills from the young person not because of us saying do it because I said because that's not sustainable but if you able to address non continent in associate motion to get young people understand why they're in school. So the first thing you have to do before you can get the curriculum instruction. You gotta deal with these social behaviors you got. You may not be able to change what's going on on the outside and the environment. But when you come in my building, I can start nurturing you the whole child. So schools that do that that's number one that we focused on, and we have a curriculum called basis of change actually going online into. Next school year, it's been in book form for years which you're aware thing. Then the second part is a pair. Pokot. I think we have the surround kids and beat them up I don't mean physically beat among but when that pair. And that teacher and that prisonment administrative saying. Jal on the same wave and not let that child get outside the box and I'm not talking about just because you didn't graduate from high school or college or what have you. But when parents and teachers get together and administrators get together and we say we're not going to let the register of the world the previous record of the world. Layoff. That's the second part and we have to give parents that those resources is not a yes they and when you can have parents. So the second part is we created a tool that's actually coming out. For parents is already was out in book form, but it's going to come online here in the next month or so what parents would be able to access it that curricula there are a lot of districts that were already interested that already habit they're using it and we thought how best especially right now for us to bring them, and then the third thing is a school folks. If, schools and leaders do not create a high performing culture and environment is starts from the principle and administrative firt and dean. You are aware that you created that their school system that we work with whether it was fumbling the cow. But now played other school system where leaders understand that and they're putting resources in that in Alabama and Kansas, and Missouri, and D. C. and North Carolina other places where we work at they realized culture climate is the foundation of creating up. Environment and can deal with that and then you folks on the hotel and then leadership training and that's what does was nudist now. As we go into schools and then the final part of that is going into a church where we have something we call `edu-tainment based around my life, but it's deal with entertaining me entertaining but educating inside churches. So you're talking about this message in something of not just it's more skid as acting that song and how do we get more people to realize the foundation of mental is another parents can't do about themselves. have been able to do it yourself, and so we look at that from three prog approach. Then I strongly believe it's not any that's going to cause so much trauma to get out of the way poverty get out of the way we have to change generation and it's GonNa take a process, not an event. So that's the work when I called the right what Tony I called the right and that's the space a little bit. I breathe it I, I live in it every day and dangerous. Rent to you love yeah. Yeah And I'm so glad that you that you mentioned all those things because that was one of my questions that I wanted to ask you was what advice would you give to a singer single mom that's trying to save her son or her sons from traveling down the road of ended up dying too young or being in jail just making the wrong decisions. I mean, what advice would you give to her? You know you're talking about parenting I think it's the most difficult occupation in the world and everybody doesn't believe that you know I'm a father my greatest joined. The world is being a dad. I have two daughters and five grandchildren and that's my greatest joy. But that wouldn't have happened without my mother and although strong mothers and grandmother. Big Mama giving us that foundation. and seeing other men as I got older, what they were doing, and so when I think about mothers. And what the the battle they're fine every day. Because I'm not a mother I would just say you're going to get some help. I mean all that and fight that fight all day. But you doing the best, you can do because mothers. If, that was a better way you know they would come up with it, but they're doing their very best but I would say it's going to take organizations like my former organization communities in schools. I mean organizations that are mentoring and doing all these other things schools. I cannot tell her mother. Disparate. This civil nugget that's going to cause change I say look out for that person. They'll sell some oil that you shouldn't buy you going to need and community approach because think about all the things I talked about. Joel around poverty and trump deaths a kiss a coming to school with book bags full of baggage book. Bags full a book in order to take those things out is going to take a computer of community your approach, and there's going to churches and community organization to help schools do because schools can't do it by themselves they get all the. Parents. I would say. Look if all these parachutes when I know your home crying like my mother did is okay. Let it out and then get up like those mothers did and like you mothers are doing every day and you're going to have the info those who are who are wealthy and I don't mean just financial rich and wealthy talking about what skills we're going to have to get out about boxing. Say I made it. So care you know you had some help somebody help you do it and so. Old Mother's we have a community perspective and that it's GonNa take more so. I would say read the information going on website online contact us. We'll send you some tools, but it's not just us. That's a whole heap of folks if used that word a whole heap of both that has resources now here. Parents to deal with some of the things and some of the trauma they're having to deal with. Reggie uses been again such a wonderful wonderful podcasts having you on as a guest on our show. Yes, I don't want you to leave without Sharon any any type of advice or anything that we didn't cover with our podcast audience that you would like to make sure that you share. Thank you close out I would just say that I'm first of all, I'm honored. I'm humble. But more employees I know that my trajectory is not one that I want for most young people. And have to be. And I think for this to be the richest country in the world. To look down upon anytime. You look down upon those who? The have not some people like the call us and at that time and. But you're also telling young people. Your. Poverty you're you're poverty does not have to determine you know positive with the self is bad enough but it with grit and resilience your intellectual ability can take you out of it, and all we need to do is how those surrounding us with support. So poverty as negative as it may be, you know on family and children sometimes good people do bad things but we have to stop making excuses young people will take some responsibility because people are investing in you. You must invest in yourself because we can only take you to that. Well, we can't make you drink out bit for the rest of your life. You have the wanted to drink out of it teaches them, parents and everyone. Major love and I would say parents sometimes hard love is okay no is okay. Do your work go to bed? No, you can't go. No, you can't do that. Because we need that. And God's. The sippy lifestyle and there's so much goodness out here and I'll just like to say, where do we go from here dot the king said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight when he wrote his last book. What do we go from here? That's Beverly Frankie Beverly says in his song we all want, and so that's where? Here chaos can unity. We are one and I just thank you also wear much for having me and I'm blessed in so many ways. But again, my joy is being a father. Lasting I like to say is I've learned from you today is your poverty doesn't determine your desk. Yes that's right. That's right. So, Reggie. Give give us the information where people can get your book getting contact with you. For Fifty s foundation spoilers educational success. Educators, detachment. Our email address. Our website is t h Dot F. F. E. S. dot. 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Jazz and Higher Education with Dr. Shawn Purcell Ep039

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Jazz and Higher Education with Dr. Shawn Purcell Ep039

"Welcome to Fred buzz, the podcast. Joe mcmurray. And I am Erin subject in today. We are very pleased to have with us, Dr Shawn pursell, incredible jazz guitarist. He was my teacher, and he is a guitarist for the navy Commodores band. And he is a professor at George Mason University teaching arranging and jazz. Guitar leaders from Canada's well. I can play a little bit of you know, but I wouldn't really play in front of any other audience members. But I don't definitely don't teach it. Okay. Well, yeah, we're we're glad to have you. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks, guys. Thanks. Thanks. Joe? Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you. So I guess where I wanted to kind of start was just again mentioning that I had the opportunity to work with you back in two thousand sixteen. Year's time. Yeah. Allies five I I've worked with other teachers, and I I've got a lot of respect for all my teachers. But I think that your style of teaching. It fit. Well, with my just the way I think in the way. I learn awesome. Yeah. Just it connected. Well, with me, I think that it. It was the right fit for me. And I literally have my notebook full of your stuff right within arm's reach me right now. Excellent april. Yeah. But it was a very you have a very methodical way of teaching which which was good for me. You know, I'll never forget running bebop scales off of the root of every chord. The third of record the fifth seventh ninth all that. Especially. A was a lazy bird? Oh, yeah. Lazy bird? All yet. We did all kinds of stuff. I guess. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm I'm glad you said that I mean, I try to be methodical, but I also try to work with these students. So I, you know, some students do well the methodical some don't do quite as well with methodical. So I try to adjust. But I definitely sneak them thoughtful in there, no matter what. 'cause I think it's just important to kind of develop a methodical practice routine. Yeah. There was you find yourself. You're not as officiant in your practice time in right at time is precious. Right. Yeah. As you probably know now that you're done school. You know time just kinda flies by and I feel like a lot of students think that when they graduated. They're going to have more time. Why think a lot of students have not a lot of students but students definitely like the first couple years. Have the attitude of I can't wait to get out of school. So that I can practice more. But I try to let them know that this probably one of the most fertile periods for practicing that you're gonna have so use that to your benefit. So developing a message early on. I think is important. So that when you do find that you're running out of time because you've gigs or your teaching yourself or your, you know, whatever you're doing you still can get something done, even if you have thirty or forty minutes, if you're not methodical becomes difficult to to do that. I think. Yeah. Definitely those times when I decide I'm gonna play for fun for little while and put on a backing track in I like fifteen twenty minutes later, Mike, gosh, I'm still playing. Yeah. Try not to do that too much. That's great. You know? And I think that for me, I I tried to tell students to that. If you're super busy when you get out of school, and you don't have much time to practice, but you're doing music. That's great. That means you're being successful. So I I feel like if you have enough time to if you feel comfortable with all of the projects, you're doing you feel Uber prepared all the time than not that. There's something wrong. But maybe you're not working as much as you need to be to be successful. I spend most of my time feeling just sort of not overly prepared in anyone area. But I try to embrace that. And try to think that that's a good thing. I hope that that's what my students are going to have as well. It's not comfortable not being I feel very uncomfortable not being prepared. But it is something that's always there with had more time to. Yeah. You kinda feel like I kinda live in this bubble of feeling semi prepared for everything. But never really having enough time to just feel like mad. I I've got this one thing. Dial in then I could move onto the next product after this. It's sort of like this fluid thing were all of these different projects like between the navy between George Mason. I'm getting ready to record a record at the beginning of March. So getting music for that to making sure that I'm getting rehearsals charts written for that. Yeah. Still trying to write for the Commodores of big band charts, preparing for classes grading trying to do gigs. You know, a married so than it's like all of these things just kind of are happening at once. And I try to be as prepared as possible. But I feel like in a way I've I try to step back and think I'm happy that I don't have enough time to prepare for everything because that means that I'm busy and work. So yeah. Like that Bill. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely bubble to be I find with most most of my students, say eighty five not even more students getting back to this idea. Practising most of people don't know how to practice, but that that's a very big gray area appeared for people in terms of if you only have a half an hour of time per day structuring that half an hour. Ensure so you get the best of your ability into that half hour. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that practising practising how the practice is almost as important as just the actual active practicing instrument. I still find myself trying to tweak how to be more efficient if I'm say working on phone start to work on like diminished scales. Diminished patterns I have to develop some kind of methodical throats to. Yeah. When I do have just thirty minutes. I can actually accomplish. Something not just feel like I've wasted thirty minutes. Just thinking about this particular concept. So yeah, I feel like it's another lifelong endeavour to just keep developing your practice routine. Changing it in Sesing when you're twenty my practice routine was one way of now them in my forties with a little less time. Maybe I have to structure a different way one when you have out of curiosity when you have a new student that comes into you. What are some of the common mistakes or bad habits that suit will have when it comes to practicing that? Boy, I think that I don't want to over generalize my students, but might right that most kids coming in as like say, a freshman in college haven't really developed a practice routine Nate, they sort of practice just. Different stuff. So as different concepts were thrown at them. They just kind of practice out. So there in jazz band in high school, though, practice chart or they'll see someone on YouTube talking about how to superimpose pentatonic scales records, and so then they practiced pentatonic scales. Records because they think hey, that's pretty cool. That sounds cool. Right. Then they'll throw in techniques. I feel like not that. It's a mistake. But most students come to me as freshman not necessarily having specific practice routine or knowing how put together a practice routine. Practice routine. I mean, it it shifts it shifts for me based on what I have on the horizon wise. Sure. You know, I like I had jazz gig on Thursday night for Valentine's Day with duo in my whole routine for the week really shifted to prepare for that. Sure. My warm ups became more jazz warms my in the bulk of my time was spent on jazz concepts in jazz, you know, making sure I was tied on the charts that sort of thing. Sure. Whereas like this week. I don't have got a more of a bar Bree kinda gig coming up in. So I have you know, it's giving more rock oriented right sneaking some Mageze tunes, but I definitely shift my routine from week to week. Sure. I think that that's just knowing how to do that as well. As important. It's like, you know, how to do that. So that works for you. So yeah. Like today on planning a five hour Jewish wedding gig hours. Yeah. So just that one big I'm gonna play solo. Who's to Qatar for the ceremony kind of pseudo. It's not really jazz. But it's kind of Yiddish music, but we play the head improvise. It's jazz presentation of that. And then for the role a main portion, it's very heavy rock, but you this June's. Yeah. So I, you know, it's definitely different than what I'm teaching bebop scales at Mason on Thursday or doing Commodore Pouncer. So yet you have to you know, if you're wearing many hats like some musicians some details if they're only doing jazz than they can tailor their practice routine that way in prepare for gigs combat. Yes, you're doing duo gigs rockets maybe show here in their solar Atara gig. Just leaving space to be able to. Bone of on that stuff just practice that stuff dust off like if I have to play a rocket dusting off those tones and just the equipment that I have making sure my gears correct for each setup. So. Yeah. Allowing time to practice for other projects is probably a big portion of it as well. Yeah. So where did you where did you start? I've I've forgot where you went to school in. How did you? How did you even get into music in the first place? My is a sort of trapped into music, my father side of the family everybody in my father's side of the family is a professional musician or was a professional musician. Literally. My aunt my uncle my dad, my grandfather, all professional musician. So I just kinda grove around it from and so I got into play piano. I think starting at five and twelve you know, I discovered groups like Led Zeppelin and Ozzy Osbourne those type of groups inside just wanted to play guitar at twelve but I was told by my parents to play guitar had to continue to play piano, which I didn't really enjoy. Now. I regret I wish I would have enjoyed Geno more. But yes, I started playing tar twelve and just kind of same way. Hi, everybody else. Did it just picking off a remember hanging out with a friend of mine, and we had like a we're plan kiss alive. The live record as freely had like pentatonic run on lull gun up sitting there like trying to figure out like what's what's as freely doing on the you know on this? And so that was how I started out at played in a church folk group on twelve as well, which was cool got to learn all the open string boards, and how strong tunes and just you know, had a lot of. Around me that did it professionally in remission. So it was you know, I'm grateful that I had so many people at that early age helping me or telling me what what I needed to practice what needed to work on. But yeah, price started like everybody else. I guess I was a big metal heads divide is like my first real huge influence van Halen all that stuff. And then when I got to college that's really when I got into jazz. I wasn't really like my dad was adjudged recession says since he was my dad I thought well jazz if my dad plays jazz than I don't really like jazz my old father plays. So I didn't really enjoy it that much until maybe high school. I got on some cast played you know, they were playing Donnelly and song for my father. And so I got into didn't. I got like Charlie Parker record Coltrane record in a miles. Davis record. When I first heard it. I was like seventeen or something. I just. Didn't. I don't wanna say hated it. But I just didn't see all the appreciate route. Yeah. So I, but these guys that I was playing with really dug it, so I sort of went along with it eventually started developing into a love for jazz for but for sure like by freshman in college, I was like super hoped to be like a straight ahead guitar player jazz guitar player were you involved in any symphonic band or anything like that in high school now, and I was in high school, I played more on the sports end of things. But then I had Roger bands probably from the time. I was sophomore through the rest of high school. So, you know, doing just cover band. Yeah. Yeah. Duff plan pull, you know, poison covered. You're talking. Old. I've Anez with like a Floyd rose. And so like learning all the Steve eyewear matrix and stuff like that. So no, no, real symphonic experienced. But because my dad was a professional musician. He would put me on gigs that I really probably shouldn't have been on. I wasn't ready for and so I could lost like a senior in high school. I played the icecapades for week and was doing gigs. Probably by the time. I was like fifteen plan like, weddings, and gigs. So early ready for it. But it was a good experience. It kinda showed me what it was like to be a professional guitar player. Even though it wasn't at that level yet. Awesome. Dad kind of helped push that a little bit. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely orcas, dad, really, I left Pittsburgh, Mike my early twenties. I worked a lot with him from like as a teenager into my early twenties. So yeah. All of that. Experience was great. And he taught me about reading he taught me about like, Freddie. Green for compassi. Trump junk junk junk, and all of the stuff that I just didn't at the time care about or particularly life. But now I look back on it was a great great experience. Great great health. Great advice refer, so. Yeah. Being pro musician. I I I don't know. I had a decision to make do. But I never really felt like there was anything else. I wanted to do. Right. Lucky get I guess, so I dunno rocking. Sing. Yeah. I was I was. Doesn't other with my students like at Mason, as I know that ninety five percent of the students that I run into maybe even higher percentage. Don't have parents that are pro musicians or don't have parents. They're even maybe even interested in music, and there's kind of like a little bit of a battle of was most. I don't say most parents. But a lot of parents aren't particularly thrilled when their kid comes and says, I wanna do jazz studies college degree. So I just have to kind of also realized that as part of teaching I know Darden, my wife that runs the program George Mason on we try to give them get like real life experiences in the way of gigs performances and try to teach them also how to be a musician 'cause it's more than just passing bebop scales. It's it's you know, where dressing appropriate. Lee showing up on time knowing that if it's a rocket. You can't bring like a Super Four hundred Gibson with totally clean sound and do the game. Like, you know, these are things that I somewhat took for granted. Just because I saw as a young player of a lot of students. Just don't have that experience. They just don't know anything about just the actual act of being professional musician. I guess right, right. Real real life situations yet once you get out of school insured, actually making money for yourself and going out there and train yourself as a business and. Yeah. Absolutely. And so he tried to do as much. I mean, I meet with my students once a week for fourteen weeks semester. So is just a woefully short amount of time to teach them all of this stuff. So just try to give them businesses as it goes. I thought one of the most helpful classes at Mason. I think of said the son of prior podcast, but was the art of teaching music in that class was split into two halves in for half the semester, we actually learned how to teach more effectively there is a lot of teaching philosophy and like actual like teaching she'd bring in the professor bringing some of her private suits. We'd one per one student in the class would teach that kid in everyone would analyze what they did in. Right. It made me think about the approaches I have to teaching in dealing with different people in different needs the class was. They taught us how to do taxes in right? Are are private studio information pack to give the parents like late policy in cancellation policy in all kinds of real world that things very useful. That's awesome. Yeah. That's these are things that I mean, I'm really thrilled. They have that class because these are things that a lot of people just find out the hard way. Yeah. They get out of school in his like, okay? I'm gonna gig. And I'm gonna teach in toward I'm gonna be this that record, and they don't necessarily have an idea of how to put together. Yeah. Like a teaching contract. You know, if you if you were putting together a private studio and every other week kid is cancelling diva policy too. They pay you to do you just eat that time, you know, putting the other that type of stuff learning how to teach like, it's really it's harder. I think it's more challenging for me to get a student from point eight point be than it is to get myself from point A B. I I know I feel like I know what to do to accomplish what I want. But to try to teach students that is really challenging and in its against like a constant like lifetime. Fluidity of changing your teaching up knowing that each student's not the same person. So one approach doesn't work with the way it does with another one in. So yet teaching again, it's like a whole nother aspect of music that you have to practice, and you have to think about you can't just think I need to make some money to pay for my rent Saugus private students. It's so much bigger than that in that can tend to get lost sometimes of, but yes, oh, it it's wonderful for me at Mason, especially because I get to see students for four years, and you know, obviously, they have a little bit of an incentive because they're being graded. But to to just learn how to take a student that's a freshman seventeen or eighteen year old that hasn't really had much jazz experience or guitar experience. And try to get them by the time. They're twenty one or twenty two to be ready to get out there. And unfortunately, I don't really get to talk to my students about teaching some glad day have classes like that. Because there just isn't enough time to deal with all of these things. Unfortunately. I have sometimes I run into. Edson internal struggle myself with certain students, you know, some students respond well to if you're hard on them. They step up their game some people sign tend to shutdown. Sure, there's a fine line, and I'm constantly trying to figure out where that is with each student. 'cause sometimes, you know, you Tele kid this what I want you to do when you really nice about it near this is how you're going to get to where you want to get to you. And then they they showed the next week in the haven't done when you asked her men may be trying other week with the kind approach than they don't do it. It's like, okay, if you wanna get here like you're not gonna get here. I don't want you to like, there's no reason to be doing these lessons. If you're not gonna practice what I'm gonna practice. Right. You're at tastefully, but with the right amount of harshness to make them feel like they've got a responsibility to do what you're asking. Just as important as your basketball coach. Yeah. Luckily with the grading system there's like a built in inherent incentive for the students to to practice. I've found like when I teach privately just private students like a store or wherever my house. There's no they have no incentive of other than just their own drive. So I would Taylor my kind of harshness I guess differently in different situations. I think with the college students, I I feel like the older I get the kind of nicer again, if I was teaching you maybe when I was thirty. I would have had little to no tolerance for anything. Now in my forties. I try to have more tolerance. But you know, honestly, I've had a couple of students in the past that have kind of talked to me outside of lessons said like, hey, man. I feel like I really want you to. Be down on me. Like, I feel like you're too nice. And I really want you to bring kind of life that harshness all the time. 'cause I I need that. So sometimes students will just say like, hey, hey, dude, I need the I don't want the every week for you to kinda Pat me on the back and say good job. I want you to come down all the time. So, you know, then I try to tailor it a little bit too that without being too. You know, I don't want to berate a student just to breed them. But yeah, there are times where you have to kinda have twenty or thirty minutes. How the students say, hey, man, you, you gotta get your proverbial stuff together. And you know, maybe you're late to lessons. You're unprepared. Maybe don't show up to lessen. And you know at some point. I might tell them like you might wanna rethink what you're choosing to do. Because if you. Kind of act like this. This is kind of how you're gonna protest music. Boy, you're gonna have a really really hard time making it after school. So yeah. So. Probably much nicer now Darden my wife tells me that I'm probably a little too nice. And kind of some students say, hey, you're nice. I don't feel like I'm not nice. But. Usually. Yeah. I'll have some guys literally say, I look I want you to kind of bring the pain. Awesome. Sometimes it takes that in terms to expose your weaknesses. You know, you need to be called out on a lot of your things and same my students. I have the same thing happening. It is often times when you know, I'll have a student. That's like I will have that that sit down discussion of why are you here? And please don't waste my time and mortar don't waste your time or your or your money. Yeah. Think about like cotton, and George Mason. I don't know what what it costs per year to go to George Mason. But some whatever it is tens of thousands of dollars. And yeah, I, you know, I have students where I will get kind of harsh with them that I will get the the old. I haven't practiced this week because I had a paper to write. And so I'll stop them and say, okay. So when you get out of school, are you planning on writing papers or living and the kind of chuckle chuckled. They're like, well, no, I don't wanna write papers. And so I just say, hey, you wanna play guitar you came here to school to play guitar, but you decided to not practice this week because you had a music history. Paper to write obviously, don't promote getting poor grades and classes, but I will tell students maybe need to adjust your time. If you don't get that eight plus on that paper, maybe you get an a minus served be plus, but if you practice ten hours over the next couple days or week that will pay off for the rest of your life. The paper you'll forget about the paper. But the prac- saying has to come first in time management becomes really important. Yeah, I feel like teaching. There's just so many elements to try to teach a young Atara st- time management. How to play the instrument how to be professional? You know, lots of. Of it's much deeper and much heavier than just hey, make sure, you know, your major scales in your modes. Well. Yeah. Can we jump back to your your upbringing? You went to music school in you can't university Duquesne university expert. And that was a great that was like a. Soup run portent experience in my life. They had a large tar program which people out there prior thinking do I've never even heard of Duquesne university. They have a large program they had. I think when I was there they had something like forty guitar majors. Well, maybe forty or forty five Qatar majors between classical jazz. And so consequently, they have like five or six adjunct guitar teachers, and it was amazing because each Qatar teacher like the one of the gentlemen studied with most was a guy named Ken Karsh and Ken Woolas like phenomenal technician can play jazz really well could gotten play show really well, do wedding relieves kind of like the consummate jogging d'italia player, but just had like phenomenal literally mind blowing technique, but then also suffered from carpal tunnel syndrome. So with Kenai dot like that all. Phenomenal stuff. But then also the side of him that would show you how to be healthy with your hands. How to warm out how to make sure that you weren't going to have to have some kind of hand surgery because of overuse or repetitive stress injuries. So he was amazing. He was probably the most important influence at that point. But then they had a really great bebop tar player Gianetti who used to be on Mr. Rogers. He was handyman Negri for nominal kinda swing guitar player still alive. He's in his nineties. I think now and still place great. They had another guy Mark who is of big on the fusion scene in Pittsburgh, the classroom teacher, Tom kinko's. Great marty. Ashby tot more Brazilian styles. So they had all these guys in they were pretty cool with having switch around. So I did most of my time with the guy can Karsh than once a Mestre studied with Mark doing. Fusion stuff. Did some Brazilian stuff? Took a semester classical. So is amazing place for guitar. I think should say so but yet no one's I mean do Kane. Do can people disorder scratch their heads. But it was I don't know what I don't know if it's the same way now. But at that time there was just a ton of Qatar majors star players Andro really doesn't matter so much when like where you get your training. If you receive good training. It's not like you. Go into typical job interviews Israeli time. We're running to spout any credentials as right? I mean, the, yeah. The the only downside with Duquesne was that. I mean, it was in Pittsburgh. So you made connections in Pittsburgh. But it was not the same as maybe like North, Texas or Miami where you were meeting a lot of musicians that we're going to be out in the world after they graduated Duquesne was kind of a pretty success tred to like local musicians, and it was a bigger music Ed school. So even other four. Or forty five Qatar majors. I don't know how many of them ended up actually becoming like pro players. So it was like amazing on one hand. Then I would stress to students where you go to school. What connections you're gonna make school? So like, George Mason University. It's smaller university. But as in Washington DC in Washington DC has such a huge music scene that it's just a great place to be not only is the faculty is really good. But also because you're in Washington DC. So there's just so many opportunities. It's it's mind boggling on so that was the only thing I missed with Duquesne was Pittsburgh, smaller city, good music scene. But it wasn't anything like a DC, your New York or LA. And so I felt like I maybe missed a little bit of that in my training there just the connections. But the actual training was. Yeah. It was outstanding. So where did you go after you graduated? What was the next step? So about six months of my whole goal when I was in college was that I wanted to tour and I moved to New York. So it was like tower New York or New York so about five months after I graduated Ringling Brothers circus was in town, and they would hire local musicians at that time. So I got hired to play for Ringling. But there are switching over to a self contained band. They had worked out the music musicians union to self contained band touring. And so after the first rehearsal, the trumpet player one of the trumpet players comes up to me. It's this are you look into got on the roads and saw like ding, ding, ding, like jor go to New York's on like, yes. Yeah. I would love to go on the road. And he said, okay. So we did the rehearsals we did a week run and the bandleader invited me back in his train car after. The last gig. And just basically said, hey, we're starting her for the next tour and three weeks. Would you wanna do this gig that I was just like, you know, Hialeah like I'm down. I'm ready. So it's like it was a little it was one of my first experiences though 'cause I had a lot of gigs lined up. So I had to call these people in Pittsburgh in basically said, hey, all of these gigs you before three weeks from now, I can't I'm not going to be there. But it was great. I went out toward with Ringling for two years almost to the day to your so a month of hertzel's. And then literally about the first year about fifty five weeks without a week off touring and then a couple of weeks off in another like for your fifty weeks for the second year as I completed the whole Torah, which I think was like ninety some cities. It's crazy. I was unaware that ring when even had a band. Well, I mean now wranglings just totally gone, right? Unfortunately. But yet the time they had a self contained band of like, I think it was a nine piece band and at the time it was really cool too. Because circus ole had become really popular Ringling was kind of moving more towards that type of music. So it was very not super rock and roll kinda more rock and roll like Archie, RT, rock and more. I guess I I don't even know how to describe it. So me as from Qatar player because there is just so much stuff for the guitar on the show what I just had a blast doing two years enough. Like free cell phones in pre internet or it was just coming on the scene. I remember just like doing your laundry became like an entire day endeavor. Because I remember being in an attorney in getting pay phone calling like a cab company it was like in Dallas and the cab company asking we'll which train yard or you're in. There's like five or six, and you had not had no idea. So it became this kind of day long. Frustration trying to, you know, wash your boxer shorts for whatever. Right. But it was great. It was a great land. Experience. I made really great connections. Chops improved a lot developed tendinitis during that time because I was like a young I was like twenty two I wasn't warming up and we're playing constantly. So I got a nice early experience in how to treat my body. Better although overcome tendinitis while still doing ten shows week. Wow on so is it was a it was a great experience for me at that age because I was super Yang. And it kinda check that touring box. And yeah, we had a lot of fun for sure I mean, did you have like elephants on your too? I mean, you had the full will have a bit of a long story. But we had like my first train Ron ninety four. We had a train wreck. It was in lakeland, Florida. And our our cargo total so I- within a month. I was like Anna TRAN that actually flipped off the tracks in total of my that was that was sort of an experience in of itself for the first year or so we lived in hotels because they lost like twenty or thirty train cars in it takes time to get. You can't just go down to the local train. Main card dealer and get trained car. So yeah, I spent most of my time in hotels, but yeah, we are on the train. Yeah. You had all the everything clowns the the acrobats of the animals, but the train was about a mile long. So you weren't really it wasn't like we were living in a car were the next car down was a bunch of lions or something. Like that was it was definitely like separated out quite a bit. But yeah, it was the it was the whole it was the circus where you practicing on the train while you're traveling. Yeah. I practiced light. So that was a really great thing about the circus. Was that it paid well in your your stuff there in even though you're doing ten shows week that you had a ton of time. Mum. Kaz ten shows to nap hours of show. Everything else was free time in you couldn't go like you're on the road. So you could either practice or I guess do other. Stuff, but I practiced a lot. So it was real important in their drummer. There was really great. We would get together before shows just play. An occasionally I would write stuff and have people come in early before show in play those those very cool in that way. Like, lots of time didn't have to worry about paying bills only had worry about planning ATar. And that probably was the only two years of my life where I literally only had guitar think about in didn't really have to think about anything else. So is it was a great time. I think I was twenty two when I started that twenty two twenty four on so's wonderful like I feel that really just like technically when I came back off of that like my jobs felt just really great jazz playing not so great after two years of doing that. But but just the actual playing guitar physical aspect of it was really strong. And after two years, you're you're done you a you had had enough. Yes. I had yet. Some some guys would stay there like my room. Mate on the shows did the gig for pilot fifteen or sixteen years 'cause it was it was a union gig. Good pay. You got Penton, you it was benefit. So for a lot of musicians Yemen. They would stay out there and do it for a long time. But for me two years kinda I had done what I wanted to. And I just felt like it was going to be more of the same. I was ready for some other from some other experience. And were you actively looking for something after those two years or you just kinda like, okay, I'm done with this. And and yeah, I was like I was going to move to New York that was my plans moved back to Pittsburgh and was just doing gigs with the people that I had been playing with before I left and then about four or five months after that that air force. My grandfather called me and said, hey, the note, which is the airforce was banned in DC is holding addition for guitar players. I sort of blew it off as like a. Yeah. Air for I don't know air force military, and are now, and but they're like man, that's really great gay just was playing in Pittsburgh and was getting ready to move to New York descent like a cassette off to the air force. And then like a week or two later got a call to get I got invited for that other Asian didn't really want to do that necessarily. But figured I'll addition. So I. I did that one that gig. On so pretty quickly. After the dish in move from Pittsburgh, air force, basic training, the to DC after that until I was I was like twenty five at that point at twenty five like in basic training, which was really awesome. Bradley currently getting yelled yelled at to wake up at four in the morning on your birthday day. Yeah. Yes. I planned on I planned on the New York thing. But then when the air force via came up that kinda semi on a different different paths. So then you were that was what fifteen twenty years ago ninety six twenty do- twenty three years ago, almost it's so you've been in the military bands ever since no longer there too. I did the airmen of note for eight years or almost eight years in Darden was also in the air force band. And we got married in two thousand one and we both decided to leave the air force. So we've both gave a fulltime musics, and we moved to Nashville in two thousand four two thousand three two thousand four and so I spent eight years living in Nashville, then we went to Illinois after that. And we both did our doctorates at the university of Illinois yet, the university of Illinois. So we spent about four years in Nashville that was great. We just gig. I taught at middle Tennessee State for a while. In Darden wanted to do her masters degree and Renault real jazz vocal programs in Tennessee. So we ended up moving to Illinois because we knew the gentleman that runs the jazz program there. So yes, so we picked up again move to Eleanor live there for about four years before coming back to DC those two thousand year, we went to like wells seven came back in two thousand eleven what pulled you to Nashville, actually, my wife ardent really wanted to just go there and in gig do session where and so we when we were still in DC we went there for about a week. Just visit in love the just it was just like a really exciting place and a place where we have never been somewhere where you could walk down the street and starting at like, noon, there's all these live bands like Donald lower broad and then. If you're out till two AM, they're still bands playing on lower Brazo is just a very exciting place musically. And so he just fell in love with it, pretty pretty much instantly. Like the first day we were there for two days were like, this is where we're gonna go, and we didn't really know anybody. We knew we'd one contact in Nashville. Some we've just it was literally just like lebeau face. We're gonna move to Nashville and just see what happens better than your average musicians. Move in have the the national awesome. There's a lot of like incredible with our players lifespan. Like my first year Nashville quickly realizing that if I threw like a stone in any direction, I hit that was unbelievable amazing. It what they did. And so as a little bit of like a national of one part inspiration in one part depression. Inspiring because there was all these great players, but it was also depressing. 'cause like every day I would hear about some other player, and I would go hear them. They're just every I mean for as many Qatar players probably weren't that good there twice as many people that would do stuff that. I just couldn't believe like, we're just shockingly. Good. And it was just awesome because you're playing with these people, and you're also a mortgage hop in your car, whatever. Go drive ten minutes. Go see like unbelievable dark land. I mean, it was really like truly like ridiculous now is mostly country. So if you weren't like a big country fan, maybe wouldn't be quite as awesome. But just to see these players was just. Yeah. It was crazy. Crazy good. Yeah. I've always heard good things about Nashville, and the one thing that I did over her confined, but heard about Nashville is is that beyond. The circuit view wanna get a coffee or something like that. You can't 'cause everything closes down. But, but that's very much changed nowadays. And yeah, everybody's kind of going national now. And it's building up more and more and more. Yeah. It was probably a little sleepy then. But it was we moved there kind of about the time. There was like a big migration of a lot of musicians from Los Angeles is not close was chief. Yes, live keeper like amazingly. She and so you had all these kind of transplant musicians coming from other areas. And now it's just like exploded Lahore traffic like super metropolitan. It was kinda getting that way. When we were there, but it was still a little bit smaller goes still manageable. Yeah. But it was awesome. I mean, they're just I mean, it was it was unbelievable in one way because I had never done a gig before where at the end of the night, I got like four dollars and thirteen cents because but a couple of pennies in the tip jar. What it all? But then, but then you'd make four bucks, but the ban would be like all these like unbelievable players that are like out touring with big name artists, those it was interesting. It was really an interesting place that time I don't know what it's like now. But it was it was cool. And it was a great experience in. We're happy that we had. But it was after a couple years, we knew that it wasn't necessarily place that we may stay the rest of our lives right for the experience was really wonderful. And it was it was weird too. Because Nashville, and I don't know if there's anybody listening in Nashville, I don't wanna get flamed for this. But it was like the first like I could read pretty well even at that age. And it was like the first place that we went where I felt like being pretty good sight reader was not at all a help flaying. I remember even playing with a band, and they wanted me to learn something I said, we'll have chart, and they kind of like poke fun at me because. They kind of said, oh, you're one of those musician. They can read music. So is it was a little bit of interesting. Yeah. It was interesting place because so many great players. But then that player might not Bill read music. So they had like the national number system. Yeah. With number doing jazz gate. There was a really great thing. I can't remember name in Nashville shoe is like a big life backup singer torn backup singer. But she's was adjusting as well, and we did some gigs. And and whoever did her book did the jazz book in the numbering system. So I'm like doing this for our gig in like the tunes in seem ager. And when they wanna modulate to flat major it's like flat, seven minor seven, the flat three seven of how much more as in like, and I'm like, oh, it's just a two five eight flat majors all night like desire deciphering, these hieroglyph Ambreen charts. And I'm like man when it just be easier to write like, minor not like all these numbers. But we it was it was a cool experience when we met a lot of really wonderful musicians. Made made a lot of life. Lifelong friendships connection there. Yeah. I had the opportunity to go down. On there. A few years ago. I have some friends that were in a big rock band in Washington DC area, the whole band moved to Nashville, and they ended up breaking up after a couple years there and the drummer in basis now have a business where they they just back up. Anybody that needs a rhythm section, right? Neutral group in they do a lot of cool stuff though, I wouldn't stayed with them. And like you're saying I had one of the best experiences of my life 'cause all day people were just like friends would come and stop by. And we'd be like the three of us would be playing music in jer- that person would be sitting there hanging out. Maybe drinking a beer something. And then all of a sudden pick up whatever instrument and they'd be insanely good. Yeah. Like, oh my God. You're an entrance like everyone we dealt with like if you rented a car Botoco off -i or went to restaurant like everybody was musician a songwriter or had a studio. So it was it was it was very cool. I mean, it was just like a cool place to be. In comparison than you said your wife want you guys went up to Chagall annoy. No, it was to our stylish Congo champagne, Illinois, where the Vyas so small town really small ground so much different landscape. Yes, must different midwest really like Archie community. So when we went there you have this. It was a mate. I mean, it was amazing that was actually place that we thought we might stay the rest of our lives, ironically. But it was like a town of one hundred thousand people there is all his collective music ranging from like straight ahead jazz to to fuse until like lots of like experimental atonal kind of free stuff and the town like the folks in the town like the town, he's they would support everything. So you could play like. A gig of Stella by Starlight with like a court at and they would come out in love it or you do like a whole night of just like free were there's noth- no form. No, nothing and just like a bunch of noise in the same people would come out in love it just as much and so as a really we loved it. They're even more so than Nashville different vibe. 'cause it was like a small town. New bur the musical there like a thousand music majors, and it's like a big electronic music university. And so there was just all this like just interesting different projects. Very clingy. Like where they combine like strings with lake fusion and Emma's just it was cool like all kinds of stuff in again. The Champaign Urbana lick you weren't making like you, obviously weren't retiring on the money or making these kids, but so many great players and just like you got to be apart of so many different projects so many different styles. And everyone just kinda it was very community based area where everybody knew everybody and everybody's supported everybody. We just had on there. And you know, thought we would stay there. But then again ended up leaving. Yeah. In you, you left because of the because of the military band again or each each we're Illinois, and we were hoping to teach their in. But it was like kinda during two thousand eight when the economy kind of crumbled in the housing market, bubble burst end. So when we're getting ready to graduate. They were like furloughing professors at U of I. So we quickly realized that we probably weren't going to be able to get any kind of teaching gig there because they were laying people off so low we're time, and so I was teaching at national guitar workshop. We were we were all set to leave Illinois and moved to Indianapolis, we have some teaching gigs lined up Dr tonight. Both did she was gonna teach like Milliken gonna teach at place in Indianapolis, and I was teaching national guitar workshop in one summer I had like four camps. And it was like an Austin, Texas, San. Spring Maryland Nashville and Chicago, so I was like in my Honda Civic driving to all these camps because they were kind of back to back, and I got an Email from the jazz director, Illinois saying you might not be interested in this. But when your students might the naval academy band is looking for our player. So I deleted deleted Email. And and so I'm teaching camp in Darden calls me. And she's like, hey, did you get that Email from chip chip McNeil, the guy Senate, I said, yeah, I deleted it. And she said, well, it's a premier band, and it's in DC in the DC area. And she was like, you know, would sure be nice to move back to DC all families from DC, Pittsburgh, east coast. So this was like in the beginning, July. So I drove back from one of the camps, and I immediately like overnighted materials for the academy 'cause I just never once left the military band. Just never had any. Aspirations to ever do it again, not that bad experience. It was just done it for eight years, and I just didn't want to do it again. And so I sent the materials and one of the guys that was at the band at the time. I don't know if I had with him when I was first in DC, but he knew my name. And so he called me and said, you know, are you really wanting this gig. And I was like well. Yeah. You know? Sure. He's like, okay. So they invited me out to the dish in and you in true, like music, business fashion. We were moving from our townhouse in Champaign our house on like August, I to Indianapolis. So we had a u haul lined up. The addition for the kademi van was July twenty ninth. So I drive to DC because we can't really afford to fly. And I wanted to take my gear and so- Darden is calling U-Haul company saying either taking this you all Indianapolis or we're gonna move to these. Of July twenty ninth. Going on dishing. I win addition. I called Dr said, I won the addition. So her parents like bought plane tickets fluid, Illinois, I drove back Illinois the next day. We unloaded the house and the DC like that day because at least without so is like not very like not stressful just kind of bizarro. Yeah. Time because we then we had to call all of the people like we're about to start teaching these schools when we had to call him and say, hey, we're not going to be there in like two weeks right to do these gigs as yes. But we moved back to DC in. I did the naval academy band for about a year year and a couple of months, and then the Commodores guitar player. Retired. Did another addition there and then on that gig. And then do it enough to move 'cause it was in the same area, but switched over to the DC DC band. So yeah, I never really had any kind of inclination to get. Back in. But it just I guess I was just meant to to get back in. So now been I think I've been in the military almost fifteen years now. Even though I got in twenty three years ago, initially. Yeah. Start out as an e six, right? If you go to the DC, vans you start as any sex each band has like fleet bands and field vans. All over the world. They don't have that same deal. But in the DC, the military has like it's like a special promotion mum in its to attract, you know, like most of the DC vans. You you get older musicians that have been out playing already already have a career. But maybe you want the steady income the benefits member will get most of the time like late twenties early thirties. And so that Russian helps to entice musicians of that caliber common do those gigs. Is it really does seem like a great? If you wanna steady income kind of job, you wanna be playing music. I mean e six it's published on the in at anybody can look with military members paid. Yes. Starting out at twenty six hundred dollars a month, plus VH, the housing allowance. Yeah. I think that I think in the navy ban. Now, you win the gig in your single. It's like sixty two thousand dollars with everything starting. Yeah. And then if you are married of the way, the military works is you get like the extra like dependent pay. So I think if you're married you come as sixty seven or sixty eight thousand dollars right out of the gate, then than more than you're gonna make playing typical gigs. Yeah. Yeah. And you're working during the day. So you potentially have. Life about that. You know, you're thinking like give someone comes in making sixty thousand if they're doing like hundred and fifty dollar gigs in general, that's like I don't know how many gigs to do like seven hundred. Six hundred. Yes, it's a great. The the pan the benefits is yes amazed. I mean, it's amazing. It's almost like, yeah. I feel like you're getting away with something. I hear you get healthcare. You get which is on text. You get training mean you're getting you get to go to the navy school music right on have actually DC band. Does not do that. So like, if you go to DC band, you just go check out from basic training you go directly to e six in the navy vent. If you're in the fleet band system, we have some that have done that enter doing that right now, they go through the the music school in the negative sense wherever they're gonna get station. But yeah, for DC, you go like, it's like basic training right to the band. Okay. Which is awesome. And do you feel like the music minute. General the music is very play. I guess you have different types of bands. Right. Like, some are jazz some Iraq summer. Yeah. We have between Dallas banners cruisers rock band country. Bluegrass country is like a mist chorus concert band. Unlike the ceremonial units. They're all I don't wanna say they're all separate because occasionally people do crossover play with different bands. Like if someone's on leave someone's out for some reason, but it's pretty separated out. So it's like, I'm not like I planned the Commodores, I've never actually played with the country band or the rock band. I've played Kassir ban. Like, if they have something if there may be doing like a pops concert or there's Qatar I've done that a as pretty like for me. Most of my gig is playing like either with the big bands or playing of like what they call protocol events, which are just events where you're playing back on music. So it's like a background gay. But as military protocol vents and doing a lot of that kind of stuff like. Trio or solo are. But yes, it's it's ninety nine percent jazz. You know, some getting paid to play jazz essentially by the government. That's awesome. N you get to play it some pretty high profile events is you get like, I'm not doing this week. But we have trio this plan like the vice president's house, you know, White House occasionally, lots of just yet lots of high level events. But I'd say most of our gig is more public based elected, our one of our main missions is just kind of going out and doing towers so kind of bringing like touring places in playing places where maybe people don't ever have interaction with the military. So we were much more of a public affairs people on like small towns like in the middle of the country can come out and see what their tax dollars are gone to. So they can see like, okay here is something that the military is doing that. I'm paying for with my taxes. And this is good. Like, I enjoy this. It's you know, good community relations, and then public concerts in DC. So the protocol stuff some of that. But most more like kind of PR public relations public concerts. Pledge occasional as well. Do. Have you had the opportunity to play overseas at all? I did when I was in the air force. Like when I was in the air force airman, note traveled a lot like a lot of lot. Maybe even more so than I would have liked, but yeah, we played I think we did like seventeen or eighteen different countries. When I was in the airforce. I'm silly, you know, anywhere from like Belgium, Germany, Italy Luxembourg countries in the Middle East. So yeah, I think it was like seventeen or eighteen with the navy have not traveled overseas went to Ireland for a couple of days. But it was just a very short trip with the Commodores. It's mostly like in the United States. What do you have do? You have advice for anybody that that is interested in potentially joining the military bands. Yeah. I would say a sight reading is super important. So I spend it's not like I started all day long every day. But you know, we rehearse three four or five days a week, depending on our gigging schedule and so people are bringing in new charts. All the time, we have different performances were maybe we support like a a young composers competition, for instance. So then we have to sight read Tanner tall charts and be able to perform the saving becomes Uber important as same thing like any gigging musician, just like getting the appropriate sounds, none that if you're playing like a heavy light rock fusion tune that you need like a good solid overdrive sound how to for me. It's like fitting in with a big band like. Guitar players rarely play like with Zach section or trombone section. So just you know, people are Qatar players especially looking for that type of gate like if they're playing their big vans at universities like really trying to make the most of that experience because that's a bulk of my mic gig. But yeah, the reading reading thing is key and just being cool. You know? So like if we have not dish. In someone comes in their bit jerky. Maybe you're just kinda I dunno have strange vibe. It's like you pick up on that. And you know, you could spend conceivably twenty or more years with these people though, you know, sometimes being like a coal person in a cool. Hang can sometimes even Trump the playing like if someone's just a little bit better player, but they're kind of. Jerked? I'd rather be with like someone a little less of a good player, but is like a really fun nickel co person. So I'd say just you know, being professional and just knowing how to get along with other folks because you're just with the same folks for so long different than gig. I mean, you know, you needed to go to be gigging musician, but you're playing with different people all the time. So if you do have like a little bit of dust up with someone maybe it's not the end of the world. You don't have to address it. But like with our gig if two people kinda. As the relationship goes south. You're you're still in that room that person for a long time. So you have to learn how to get along with people for sure. Yeah. And you are representing obviously. Yeah. You know? And yet being like, you know, we don't like there's probably misconceptions like I'm not at the navy yard at seven AM doing like PD during push with the with the band. But you know, you there's. Yeah. You have to maintain a certain appearance. Make sure that when you put it is gas like kinda like normal life making sure like when you put your clothes on there. Not all they don't look like they've been balled up in your chunkier are for the last two months, you know, bathing the just like present. Yeah. Giving like a good professional presentation. So anything almost everything about being professional musician. Carrie? Is over to like if someone wanted to military for I would say that the site meeting thing like if your sight reading is great your chances increase exponentially. If you can't really read it really hurts you in all of those other things might not overcome the reading thing so reading. Yeah. Really important. In being in big band. Mason was a quite experience. Yeah. And people like so for the Commodores, it's like people right for specifically for us a lot. So there's a lot more on the tar both than people might imagine. So. Yeah, that becomes that's like my crusade is to make sure that all of my students can read really well because almost every gig that I've done that's like a steady gig that pays well, and has benefits and stuff has been enlarged, partly due to reading like shore, the circus military gig like all of them, if I was a poor sight reader couldn't read all of those gigs would just be I wouldn't have gotten them. And they would be like a I don't are like just be like a nightmare trying to keep him. I couldn't read that. Well, keeping up with the commerce book would just be like a constant like I'd have to devote my entire life to it. It's right. Like I'd be like everybody else would be like hanging out. It'd be like sight reading until like a reading until one in the morning every night trying to keep up. So yes, I reading like super super big on something that most. I mean, your average guitars, he's not in you know, academia in the world vaca. -demia your average guitarist dozen retrial class nasal get much. They can still like I don't know how much reading like say our country Banda's. So like, maybe your country is Claire you're trying to get a gig with the country van in the military. Maybe the reading wouldn't be as big but than that guy. The guys in contraband right now Joe Friedman, like a great gas player lived in New York Ican can read really, well, it's like you're gonna at some point be faced with playing with some other group have to just as like I feel like you can never escape reading. Unfortunately, there's not. I love to have. Well, it can't hurt you. That's for. Sure. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. So yes that would be the biggie. But yeah, just being cool like when it really boils down to it. It's like, I just now days love being on gigs. Where people are just coal, and I have fun, and I know people in it's like, I I don't wanna say I would trade that for the level of musicianship. But I've I would trade it a little bit more the older I get to not have like a bad experience getting. So I wanna go back to the reading thing. I kind of connects with over talking about the practicing earlier like I didn't read really before. I decided I wanted to go back to school. I had read on the piano for years in Ola growing up. But then like never really had a reason to read on the tar. Class like plane rock music in whatever I started. You know, you can go through the basic books, but I was using melodic rhythms. Number was really focused. Great. Yeah. Yeah. That that was really good like you really need to build reading time into your practice schedule. Like, it might be ten minutes a day or ten minutes every other day. Whatever it is. It becomes something that has to be just a general part of your back the schedule if you weren't at to be a skill that you're gonna have sure yet for gigging musician. That's the only thing that I'll tell people to do every day like if you miss a day of scales. Or if you miss of day of technique, that's fine. But just read every day 'cause you know, I think we all know guitar players that no matter how did you get? There's always gonna be on. That's better. So I'm thinking like no matter how good of a jazz improviser. I am. There's always going. To be someone better. No matter how good of a rock player. I am someone's gonna be faster have more technique, but I do know that in general guitar players tend to be a little lower on the reading spectrum. So I realized younger that if I can read pretty well, like, even if he leave read like lead, she like, it seems like if you can read a lead sheet other instrumentalists think you're like a genius with you can just read like the head to attune. So we we kinda people have different expectations for us Qatar players on like if you can read really, well, you get you get a certain amount of stuff because of that even if maybe there are better jazz players, you're gonna get some type of work that none of those people can get because they can't read as well. And I mean, let's face it. We're guitar players were terrible readers. It's like a view like I feel like I'm pretty good sight reader. But if I put myself. Against a tenor saxophonist, even like the worst tenor saxophonist reads at the same level as like Venus guitar player reader. So just being able to read a little bit is important. And if they can develop that reading to be like pretty good it. There's so many opportunities that will come from that. It's it's mind boggling, I feel like it's not quite fair. The the way that they can tars laid out in like, I'm by far away. Best reading around the fifth position yet near that. And I try to move to different areas in my practicing. But if I like sit down got a sites citing something well like I'm gonna go to the fifth position. If it makes sense with during the tune. Yeah. Two different position. Everything's out the window the guitars like really? Yes challenge because it's like if you wanna play like say of see there's like five or six of that same note on the instrument, or if you want wasting there's like the same for knows there's three or four different ways to plan. I do think that we're at a bit of a disadvantage because of that because like on via no middle c is right there. Yeah. There's no like five different spots on the piano for middle Z. So the at guitar player is like we're sort of a bit handicapped out of the gate, but you know, yet like look what you're saying. Reading of specific position can be helpful because like physician, for instance, like the get more or less everything that's going to be written for the car with a few little spots. Maybe you have to jump out of that shun is, but yeah, that's that. That's helpful. I mean, that's if guys do it that way than that's totally cool. You know, I I would say there was a really great book called. Written by Tom Brunner? He was like a Las Vegas show guitar player. And he was the first guy. I can't remember what it's called. But it's still out there you probably find on Amazon he actually would read in regions. So he would like break the ATar in the lake may be like third through a threat was a region and then through twelve region. So that was really cool an eye opening for me because I had always been taught Louis positions. So I'm reading this in the third position physician seven this guy like expanded it to be more region. And that that made more sense was helpful. And he would write these like bizarro like a tunnel etudes that were in this region in that book in particular was really helpful along with the melodic rhythms. But that's more Malak rhythms is much more kind of tonal much more positional. So the Tom Brunner thing was really helpful. So there are clear is out there. They're looking to help with the reading the top seek out. Just Tom Brunner. Can't remember the name of the book right now. We've got a step. Guitars, weird minutes. Like, I still, you know, a make megaton players like learn all their job do voicing 's. And we'll get to the bottom four strings kind of like a I need to like work nece myself. But you know, everybody kind of has their certain things that they gravitate towards you just want like keep widening that that bag of stuff that you can do. So it's like, the I'm sure when I sit down with students like at Mason, they I don't try to give them like the vibe that I know everything about the tar. But they probably I don't know if they're shocked when I'm like, oh, I don't know this drop to like on the bottom four strings, but yeah, there's just things that we all gravitate towards we just keep proud of working. So why not range in kind of like knock down those barriers. I guess simple reading, you know, I can't read like if you made me read something like up above the twelve threat. It would just be pay. Nfl for me. So I you know, I try to overcome that compensate for that. But still try to read like until physician to try to better myself to some extent, but yelled gravitate towards like six position for sure. One question that I would have is how did your see you did come to DC from Illinois? How did you get into Mason? And how did that whole thing began and then? I am interested in this. This idea that you do teach on a college level students that that fascinates me. I I really like that aspect in terms of the educational. Field of people coming into college just specifically for Qatar in jazz. A lot of our listeners, and then these specifically continuing education, and when that that all really appeals to me. So how like again, how did how did that whole thing begin? How did you get into being a professor at Mason? And then the whole aspect of being a professor. And and teaching loads of students and. Yeah. Not whole journey of of that being able to teach under. Yeah. I think I started teaching a one Mason like in the nineties when I was first in DC in Jim Carroll who was the founder of the jazz program hard me, and I taught there for couple years, and that was like my first taste of teaching on the college level had never done it before. And I was probably like maybe late twenties silent really fully grasp the impacted. That point is just that point for me. It was just kinda like show up teach lessons. Right. You know? Kid doesn't practice? I just tell 'em like came in like, you gotta practice in them could be really good. So we you know, it was just kind of that. I didn't really treat it as like being professor anything. Just like I'm Shawn up in getting paid to teach lessons. I just haven't teach him at the school. Then when we went to Nashville, I had a friend that ran a program at middle Tennessee State university. So we moved to Nashville and he wanted to hire me to teach their what quickly learned in. This was a great. Experience was he said, yeah, I want a love the heavy teacher. Okay. Great. And then as the semester got close deal your masters degree, and I said, Nope short on. And he said, oh, man. He's like a can't I can't even float your name to to these people. They'll just there's no way. So why don't you get your masters degree here? And then we'll put junk apathy so begrudgingly did a master's degree. But starting to get more insight into maybe Hal, academia, worked more kind of like of that sort of Ceuta like scholarly doing papers research hanging around professors and teachers there now is like an older now in my thirties. Seeing this more than just teaching lessons to students I taught there for a little bit. Then we got the. The doctorate like so then we started thinking like we'll maybe teaching at the college levels has that we want to pursue. So we won't we got the doctors at Illinois. We were there for four years, and I was TA there, and they had no teachers I taught all Qatar students Jesse our students there as a doctoral student in that was like Super Mario winning light. We learn so much about just how universities work out programs were what university are looking for. So like nowadays, you can't even get an unfortunate. But it's just the way it is the you can't even get an adjunct teaching gig college without a master's degree like they just won't unless it's maybe a private school that can do things where they want them. But if it's like a state schools funded, maybe I guess you could get it with a bachelor's degree. If you're a big name person. But for everybody else like the rest of us got master's degree. And now even like they're wanting doctorates to teach like. John part time. And certainly if you wanted to full time teaching gig. Yeah, definitely the doctorate. So foaming came back. I had my doctorate and Todd talion for a couple years like the naval academy did it gang the Taliban university, and they just happen to be looking for our teacher and the guy I guess like I played in. And so I taught there for like two and a half years three years of it after years, the commute was like eighty miles each way today's week on got to me, and so Darden my wife was teaching at Mason. But now she runs the program they were looking for like another guitar teacher because they had too many students. I just apply and had to go through the even I taught at Mason in the nineties had to go to through the same thing where they did a search a regional search like in the east coast. I think in midwest, and you know, interview, you know, do like the addition again ends the now I've been there for about. Four years in now. I I mean, I I don't fully understand fillers like to be a professor. But now, I realize that it's much more. It's how much of an impact you can have on a student either positively or negatively right, but yeah. So the being a professor, I mean, I don't really think about it. It's similar to like when I play with the navy is like even in the military is like when I'm playing I'm not necessarily thinking about that specifically same thing at the university level, but I would say that, you know, for people out there that may be wanna teach at the college level just having the academic credentials now for better for worse is a must. So you get a master's degree if they want full-time teaching gigs doctorate is almost a hundred percent required. Now and most goals when they advertise the position. Will say doctorate preferred or required and masters always put his required for job listing and just kind of. I think my experience is now. I don't want to say that that schools wouldn't hire like younger musicians. But I kind of feel like for me, I'm much more suited to now that I was when I first taught at Mason back in the nineties legislative experience more stuff like this more almost anything that a student can come to me with insane thing with any professor or any really any teacher. But especially at the college level any students that have like a an issue or a question about something. I've pretty much lived all of those things. Right. So you know, just trying to bring that experience to that situation. And so. Like in a way like I like that aspect of it. I also like the private teaching aspect where if you're teaching privately, maybe don't get as involved in the people's lives may be but maybe do sometimes and there's like a a positive experience that were just like, okay. We're just doing music, and I'm just going to focus on music with you. Whereas the college kids, I feel like you're kind of part part psychiatrists are part like authorisation or you're like scolding them for stuff end. You know? I think most people take that seriously. But I take it more seriously now than I did like if I was like twenty five year old on teaching at George Mason. I wouldn't care about the other stuff as much now realize like how important that is to have those interactions and just to make the connections with the students. So it's like if if training GAAS to be professional musicians, you know, I want them to light. I want us to have a positive experience too. Just because when they get out of school. I wanna recommend them for stuff. And I would also want them to recommend me for stuff the less. That's like another thing. Like, I have a lot of students that though have a gig that they can't do. And also, you know, have you ever her buying like, let me know? And they kind of look at me like you would wanna do this gig that I was supposed to be on like what? Yeah. Like, I'm on guitar player when musician like, Alan. Yeah. Well, just kind of. Having that relationship of professor student. But then also quickly a couple years you're going to be peers, right Brian just trying trying to make their experience trying to get them to point b. But helping them along the way was like other types of issues like the variable guy, that's has some college personal problems, and they may bring it up. So then you kind of delve into that. Personal aspect of things. Yeah. That's kind of what the professor thing means to be now. I'm sure my wife started agrees. It's like. Just kind of helping train people will be like professional people. And then lastly, what would you say to any potential students that who are looking to go into a music program that may find jazz studies a little intimidating? Good question. I'm just said to even though it is intimidating. I think for even for everybody to to try to be open to try to not try to like enjoy that experience or enjoy that journey. I I would say like if they if they enjoy have a love for jazz that that the intimidation aspect of it will kind of quickly go away, and that's partially on the professors well on my job is to also try to make something that's may be intimidating feel a little less. Intimidating also like for any student really like not even just to to have students realized that it's like a fifty fifty experience. So especially with jazz, I will sometimes get students like right now, I have a really great stable of of students, but I will at times get students that don't like jazz. They like they don't. Hesitate to tell me like, hey, man. I don't like jazz, but I don't wanna be classical guitar player. And that's all got those are my options. I would say like aside aside from those folks which are a little bit more of a little bit deeper dive to get them into it to realize that you bring fifty fifty to the lesson. So my best experiences with students are students that don't just wait for me to tell them. What's next? You know, we all. You know, we all young players are just like fascinated when I was fascinated with kiss or whoever you just find that you just go do it. I didn't wait for like a teacher, tell me to checkout kiss and learn now hurt in loved it. So the students have con- realized that if they're showing week after week saying, hey, Dr Priscilla did drop to voicing ings kinda now, although I do well keep working on that. But then do this in the next week. Okay. Why did those things what do I do? Now. That's that not a great experience. The the best experiences are the students that come to me week after week sand. Like, hey, man, like, I was checking this out. But then have you heard of this Qatar player? Not haven't all ya'll checking him out. And I started to transcribe some stuff. I think he's doing this. Like, what do you think that's a more positive experience than the kids like every week? Like, okay. I did this. Now, ROY do I have. Done any planning on my own part. I haven't listened to anything new. I just did exactly what you told me. And so the students that aren't maybe in the jazz much intimidated by it right out of the gate or usually a little bit more like that. They haven't found that curiosity at Dow's solid say for them to try to find that and develop that, and then, you know, if you taking jazz listens at the university level in by the end year two you're still thinking, I don't really like jazz than if you know, I never really wanted to tell them do something else. But if you're getting a degree in after a couple years, you don't like that style of music that you know, that's a problem. Yeah. I think you know. It's it's like writing a paper on a subject that you don't want to write a paper on. It's like the whole time. It's just this work in there's no enjoyment. You just trying to get it on and get through that to get onto something that you enjoy like, the jazz lessons are your experience at music schools shouldn't be that it should be like writing a paper on topics that like, and so some students I have students in the past kind of move onto another major an end up happier because they just stay like, frankly, I don't like jazz. I don't listen to jazz. I don't go hear jazz. And you know, at some point you just have to realize that that's not does not like recipes process. So they should at least have I think they should at least bring. Some enjoyment right out of the gate. Like if they just hate it right out of the right from the start. I'll work with them. Just to kind of think about that. I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Off. Well, no, I I think the more that you can break down those as an individual the more the break down those walls and be more accepting two styles of music. I you're well on your on your journey. That's that's part of the process of opening up as a musician in learning more and more and being able to let's say you are a rock player metal player. Whatever it is. And the acceptance of saying, okay, I may not be right? But at least now I can understand these concepts and incorporate them into what I'm doing and making yourself a better player by doing that. Versus kind of just always holding this wall against it and say, no, I'm not I don't really enjoy jazz. And I'm going to be against it. Well, that's right need to reassess your. If you're that way. Then I would say maybe look for like another career path or another like major like, I've I've got rock is this study with me like right now that that they'll say like I'm not going to be like a professional jazz musician, which is fine. But they're like man, I really did like Jimmy herring are really dig like, Derek trucks or these people. And so I I realize that they're using a improvisational elements that are taken from jazz. So even oh, they're not themselves like hugely jazz guitarists are loving jazz. Like, they love that those elements. So they they do the work. They they studied they do the transcribing in kind of bring that to their the style of they plan. That's awesome. I mean, that's that's great. That's. It's a huge deal to be able to to take. It took me a while to connect rock playing jazz. Really, well, but like you're saying with Jimmy herring in guys like early Robben Ford and Larry Carlton, there's always players that infused jazz elements into their rock playing in or blues playing in like you have to play some straight ahead jazz in order to learn how play that way renders that day that you realize you can have your overdrive pedal on like, you know, you're playing a rock solo in you just like throw this bebop kinda Licken like you don't draw out too much. But it's it's amazing. What it can do? Yeah. I rang in others honors. Yeah. I remember that was a big thing for me. Like, I was like such a huge divide fan. And I remember him talking about whatever time he was Berkeley that he would spend time like each day reading out of. Real book. Like, okay. Here's this guy. That doesn't you know high school, Sean doesn't think he sounds like a jazz guitar player. But he's saying like, you know, I read every day out of the real look and learn like, my jazz voices and stuff, and I'm like, that's awesome. Like, that's great. Like, I wanna learn all that stuff. Even just just as like to better myself as a musician, even if I don't end up being like jazz or rock or whatever player end up like, I wanna know all of that stuff to bring whatever I do. End in your compositions mean understanding jazz. Harmony is just it's incredible in. In writing man, I feel like the there's no amount of information. That's going to be like, there's never like a negative impact on knowing something new, you know. So if you like if someone even if someone's like a death metal guitarist player, but they like wanna like I think about like a guy like Alex Skolnick who I think was in a band called late testament or something tested YoM. So he he like quit that and became like a jazz guy, you know. So even if he didn't become a jazz guy, even if he stayed like intestinal, you know, you can bring those elements to that music or just like. Just learning more stuff. I still get fascinated with lunching like people I don't really finger tout ever, but I'm still blown away and get super like excited. Download videos like instructional things on like, you know, sweep picking or finger tapping stuff that I don't maybe not gonna do on jazz gig. But it's still cool. I still wanna like learn how to do it at fun win. So I mean, I guess in the end I would say that the biggest thing that I would say to anybody. But especially students is that it should be fun to play. So if if if it constantly feels like work and is not enjoyable to you that would be the big red flag. But yeah, just take take whatever your teachers, give your take whatever you're learning or wanna do and just enjoy that and be open to new stuff and try to enjoy. That as well. I mean in the end us really the big things if you don't enjoy like if we didn't love playing ATar. Why why would you do it? Yeah. Yeah. The best students like you said are the ones that he give them their coursework of their homework. And then they come back with you know, that end war. And if you're is, you know, curious, it's not guitar lessons on the college level is not like taking your theory three class Regis do the work as quickly as possible to get done. So you can hang out with your friends or get to other stuff. It should be the thing that you're constantly like seeking out new information and being curious and wondering about stuff and then bringing it your teacher like think of the teacher is a guide as opposed to dislike your teacher like someone that you can come to state came in checking this out don't understand it. But I love it. It's cool. Can you help me with this? That's great. Those are my best lessons is like some some students says like chaos checking out Allan Holdsworth than he does. This like really crazy lik what is this? And then we've kinda like figured out to get you know, it's like you kinda do it together. And it's great as a good experience in the students need to also learn the teachers. Learn as well. So if you bring a new guitar player to me, I'm gonna get something out of it as well. So again like win. Yeah. And the student off sees you light up like, yeah. Exciting. I'm convinced that all these kids like think that when they get with the teacher that the teacher knows like there's nothing that this teacher doesn't know. And they're like a rope robotic like, I don't know. I just I don't know what the perception is. But yeah, I get excited as they do to hear new guitar player here. Some new new thing. Awesome. I I know you've got this wet at five our wedding gigs. So we'll be cognizant of your time. But thank you so much for doing this. Thanks. Appreciate it. I had a blast. I love to do it anytime again for. Sure awesome. And we would actually really like to have Darden on his well, that'd be great. That'd be wonderful because we've not had any singers on release. Nobody who's like, first and foremost singer. You're not had any females. Yeah. Not on purpose at all. That'd be great. Yeah. Thank thank you. Again. Sean we really do for. She it guys. Yeah. Good one. But.

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Episode 7 - "From Thug Life to Triumphant Life" Part One, with Author & Educator Reggie Beaty

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Episode 7 - "From Thug Life to Triumphant Life" Part One, with Author & Educator Reggie Beaty

"Welcome everyone to another podcast episode speak out world I'm your host, Joel L. and I'm your host beal. Thank all of our listeners were tuning into another podcast. Yes, and do you know L. we also want to make sure that again we just aknowledged sin our prayers to everyone right now that who lost loved ones doing this corona virus in all over the world and acknowledged all those in a medical field right now, all of our doctors and nurses are on the frontline firemen and paramedics. The. spiders. Were grocery stores. No. Some service. Asked me just WanNa. Thank you for your service your. Your love. Yes. Thank you so much. So Dino L.. Today. Where talking with an author, any wrote this book though live to triumphant life are wonderful guests on today he is a keynote speaker, a trainer, and educator. also served in the military as a colonel in the army for twenty years. cleese welcome everyone are wonderful guest reginal. beady. Actor. Just, go ahead and call you. Reggie. Collar. I prefer that. Thank you all for. Have you. All we are so delighted for you to be here. You wrote this awesome book. Doug life from triumphant Douglas to. For Life Right and it was. Really, about your own personal testimony as a Some people call at risk. Teen, and so I'm really curious. You know you've had a successful career in military. You've been awarded like the Civic Man of the year you have a bachelor's degree, a master's degree. Why would you want to write a book revealing your life as? The trouble team while. First of all, Joel I think that is the foundation of why I wrote the book. Essentially, I wrote the book probably eighty percent of about eighteen years ago. And because I was embarrassed to really talk about the things I had done previously as a child I thought that I would be judged. And it wasn't until I travel around the country training keynote speaking to young people into detention center training educators. And I was share some of my background. That people would say well Reggie. Where's your bull? But I still didn't WanNA release the because. That I like to use the word naked about your life transparent is still rebuilding and I just didn't think that I wanted to earnestly pout that in the. Space Hours. In. People were judge me and frankly I would not be able to get indoors. I thought they will be closed because how dare I go and talk to superintendents and presidents? Barrett, organizational stages with the president of the United States and others may yet. If I told them my past life. I really thought that I wouldn't be accepted and that was important to me at that time until now I realize from listeners so many wonderful people. They made the choice there. Hey, Reggie. This story needs to be told and it took me about seventeen years before I actually made the decision to release it while seventeen years. That is. That's a long time and it's a it's I imagine a struggle like you said during those seventeen years as you're constantly building your career to want to be able to put all this in a book I know. Dino and I would definitely fascinated by reading your book Do you know l. you want to jump in here I know you had a question to that we were discussing book. Brother Your book is poignant, but he discusses how you grew up as a young boy which unions children. In a past even today. The Black and try out you stated my. Name was never written on earth. Can you speak out on how? Assets. ballboys. Either, today. Well I for me. I mentioned in a book. Dan Thanks for the question and really I think even now there are some scars and there are so many kids data is caused by the absence of a bother or you could say mother but in my case it was. The father and I don't think that parenting was ever meant to be a one personal sport. I think it was always mid to build to purchase sport whether those people were together. The two adults were together not. Still did not give him out opinion the right what I would like to say A. Maybe a little facet, but I'm okay with it that. I think it's cowardly if you know that you have a child and you lead up to one parent in my case of mobile back in the. Sixties. To add on, can you imagine a child trying to navigate through life where you have one parent and things that are missing that? Happens in a two pair our whole whether they live together not when you have two parents and your children lives and I like to say the first part I could walk down the street right now and I wouldn't know if I saw my father, he walked right by me of we set a meeting together and without being. There all things are take with misinform father. I think the first one is of father has a role of providing. You'd think about kids who are making choices that even watch young ladies growing up you mentioned from girls and boys. I watched young ladies growing up who have babies not because they were read how baby that twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old they were intentionally giving pregnant because they could buy personal items they can go and get small thing so that it's either have a baby so they could get that welfare check. So you say as wrong or young boys like me who made decisions because that father wasn't the to. And the trauma that they put on my mother, and then if you're not there to provide the second thing, I would say the father does he protect you? From. Yourself. He protects those external things that may come. From without when you have and you don't have what you do have. Well, if you do have it, then you're not missing that. But if his absent, then you miss that and then the third thing I would say there's a father appraisers when you're doing well, he's in your ear. Leno how proud you are. Finally you have to be present, you cannot tell me you a great dad just because you buy one part of. Children need all four components what you're young lady who needs to see how you're supposed to act and I would tell him really. That's my greatest joy. He taught me everything. About how not to be a father and to me that's not the lesson that children should go through by missing in this case as you mentioned. Not, having that male role model to guide and teach you and you grow. A maturation. Give us a little bit of background Reggie for those who are listening where you grew up the neighborhood to grow up a little bit of background because I think our listeners will. Be Able to relate that There's a piece of Ed neighborhood no matter where they're at in the United States or in the world. Joel break down into two components growing up the personal and if I. had. My druthers I would've named the book try and like the Thug Life Triumphal live. Didn't go together and I'll tell you why. I'll talk about the plight. How did I get to that place early on I would just like any other kid in the early years I grew up and we street garden all Albany Avenue about two blocks from dot McCain's a home where he was raised and I'm reminded that we had the. Dream my mother even though wasn't a man in the house, mom. My mother and my aunt raised us and we we were doing all the usual things that kids who do I had a great school I attended out of the Second Grade Spelling Bee champion. I love the idea being teacher's pets. You let me raise the boards and Samuel Eric I would get done with the work I was reading every day until all those things around join low we there were not by their when nobody can kill and that was in Auburn Avenue a place called we St Guard. And then The initial trauma happen. I was nine years old my mother took us up there and I didn't understand impact watching the procession of Dr King's. Burial and his room process. I didn't know the impact of the zero, but then six months later. My grandfather was murdered. Now over fifty times and my monthly expires at the time. I didn't realize that that was a traumatic experience even though he had raised her I didn't realize what that did but Ashley it calls the breakdown and seeing the primary breadwinner and we didn't have that other external. Support Mitchell from a follow so where she lost that. We in turn went from being okay and of DC neighborhood to all of a sudden she had to make some choices choices in this case, and that's why I said that that will be that triumphant light and they'll. Team, we move, and before that I just want to mention of jokingly talk about Stevie wonder hit me and my. Book, and this is about a mother's love. I actually about a half inch or maybe a quality is daunting and told. Them I would been put out. Let me tell you. We were doing replicas old Gladys Knight still on the Marvin Gaye. We found him in a dress. And Jewels Right now No Pun intended. But we were flat nosed being like flying saucers and hit me. and. So my mother had already been in the hospital over and over and over with me as a young child. And you don't know model here. She is out there working doing everything Karen on double duty. And yet, my brother told me how much I stayed in the hospital the sick child. So it just reminds me of the mother's love, but then something happened. She lost all that. To got sick a lot a livelihood she lost started deteriorating. And that deterioration unbeknownst to her I'm sure that trauma ended up being passed down to the family pass down years, and so we love that neighborhood. That were no fights good school everybody doing. Probably about one hundred apartment. And moved to a place called Bancaire court at the time they were brand new. They were poorly bill. And then that's where I like to say the cycle change, the big environmental change and externally community that we're Nov bothered. About seven, eight, hundred apartment with mostly single mothers. Raising kids sometimes five to eight kids. And we went from probably one, hundred, twenty, five, apartments, two, seven, eight, hundred part midst. The mothers, no cards, no grocery stores, no male role models, and so then as we started to mature and I, don't mean with tour and a good way I mean maturing getting older, we start seeing the gains we used to play with. People. Plan Basketball Sports might fly also game little girls playing hopscotch. To spin the bottle. Parties that twelve and thirteen years old getting high drinking girls having babies and boys. Evan babies and now it became a badge of honor and so we it was. that. We didn't have. Love in just that no. Looking at it it robbed us of so much about childhood. Yes. LLAIMA started things that I started doing. Because, school no longer was importer. Became survival. And Reggie I just want to piggyback off for the area that you mentioned in Georgia the neighborhood at bank hit the fact that. Some people. I. Mean People in Georgia. No. But people outside a Georgia that may be listening. They don't realize that that's also the neighborhood know Ti came from you know some of the some of the. Artists in rap artists that are in a game now came out of that neighborhood as well. So if you don't do. So that's a good point. Let me well bank here at one time with speech on sixty minutes as one of the worst neighborhoods in the country of violent crime, teen pregnancy and CETERA. And at that time, I think I was like Lebanon twelve and this was we've board. And all but we had a patient and that time that policemen wouldn't come out there mailman. Lord it. Issue as men would come out and get Rod, the police would only come out there are three or four. Car that same time or fireman, and so the neighborhood was known at one time for all those negative things. Those negative connotation and people will come out and play sports with us because we were fighting we would do all these crazy thing but. I can tell you so much but people who wouldn't understand it would know. Me When was love didn't mean that if you do one thing to take us all. We would also by hurt kill and do whatever's necessary and that's what happens. I think when you start thinking about. Yes I went from a family of being traumatized to a whole neighborhood being tied and that's difficult to overcome. We used are thinking about. And all that trauma being passed down and let me just say. Those mothers were warriors those. Were all? But. People say you do build a win you know better I. Say you do better. We know better but also when you have better. Because if you don't have, you can't do and it may be okay right now. But long term talking about staying in school for ten twelve years and trying to survive. If your basic needs are not met the newborn to find other ways to compensate for those and so I don't WanNa pay pitcher just because it was some terrible things it was all for which that living that lifestyle but it wasn't anomaly that was the way things were around the country and a lot of neighborhoods. And I'd just like to say I was blessed and fortunate to be able to come out of some of the things that idea. To then go on to be able to accomplish. Some things in this capitalist, the world that we live in Reggie coming from. LADONNA southside Chicago a readiness with south this same statements that you're making last. One of the things that you mentioned earlier. was that no one had relatives Monday did Banke. Changed. The environment calls all of the incident is sense of drugs gang members tell us how that changed that that. I'll come back to the gang and active. Let me just tell you a little bit about how that change when you move out to a community that's built certain number of people. And maybe the government whoever built the city of Atlanta built that community the house. So many people. Then all of a sudden you have teenagers you don't I can tell you I never went on vacation as a young boy we didn't have 'cause. So where would we and money where we're going but I wasn't anomaly again the whole community and then went on vacations and so if you don't have other things to. Distract you from foolish behavior. is going to lead to doing things that are not and so I had a front row seat a watch it were the American dream I thought was, and that wasn't what I saw on television things like gunsmoke little house on the prairie in and Julia, and all those other things lay on the other positive shows. Well, we've lost our siblings and we don't have anything else to do you watch a fifteen and sixteen year old brothers watch a fifteen and sixteen year old Susan, and now what are you going to do to entertain yourself even though we were twelve? So there's nothing else to do but pray sports against each other. Gear High. Star headed sex on a regular basis and when you start thinking, I'm not talking puppy love. Lebanon twelve year old started having sex and young girls start having babies. You're not going outside the community. These are your friends who and your sisters and your brothers. Your brothers have invaded by your friends sources in my case, one of my brothers. When he was nineteen, he had three kids by three different girls and they were friends all in the same neighborhood. What we talk about that. He's the weather the badge he just wish he'd have more Gallatin it wasn't mistake because of the kids who mistake because their behavior and now. I'm watching this and everybody Lou News Badger. Sudden my friends I can remember seven of them. When we moved out there we were not relative. We still were not blood melodies, but we tackle at us to the saying. It came just part of that community, and then I can name plenty of my friends that all of a sudden we were the articles. Of the same kids elated store to us. My brother. Greg. He has two kids by my friend Joe and Gary who lived literally next door. And so when you start thinking about that, what else can you do and then we started doing foolish there's like building tree houses imagine building a tree house in the. Tree House to have sex mothers would leave and I'm not talking about eighteen nineteen olds I'm talking Levin Twelve, thirteen years in. So that pumping love stuff and and also tell you this. and. Is. One of my greatest regrets that we lost so much about innocence. Including me I was lucky. Not WanNa blessed I was lucky maybe if you WANNA look at it a different way that I too. DIM become a twelve thirteen year old pair and I use the word pair loosely because if you got a thirteen fourteen year old having babies, you are not prepared for that. To take another child when you are and now but send thousands and thousands of kids being born. And the committed was not set up to support that and so as a result, more trauma more trauma but it was looked upon at the badge of honor has such as got girl pregnant. Bit nother not Jones. Bill girls were having to for different reasons. So I look back and that's one of my greatest regrets that that child who was taken. From us by indulging in those type of activities. Reggie. Before we move on because the conversation is moving so fast before we move on to talk about how you can turn your life around You talked about in a book to speaking of mothers, how the mothers in Bancaire came together and they met with the mayor can you tell us about briefly tell us about that because we want to be able to get into also how you just turn things around? Okay. Thank you. Thank the. Mood, the person community were poorly bill. There were no air conditioning. It was just he Escobedo. Obviously. Had wasn't properly done. We rest underneath our houses in the solar system and I don't I'm not talking about mouse. And tell them rest biggest cats. and. They will be in your house and people would think that we would dirty but I house smell like pounce all and bleach every day. So we were nasty. was so poorly built that if you have rats limit in the walls and underneath the bound to get inside your house, and so those mother's babies were getting bit their fingers because of milk Batur built, and so people had enough of that and so knows mothers. and. The you you know about it they may not have been tax payers. But when you have rats and you have community built for a thousand and then all of a sudden four or five thousand residents and attracts services and no air conditioning no garbage you when your trash is over flooded in your house, you go outside and you pull it out and so now all of sudden those mothers saw we were not getting enough services and so they protested and they went to see. Mayor Maynard Jackson. He came alive down there with us while a couple of days in the community and he saw a horrific and he said no one should have to Lille that way, and so as a result, the fire department came out. And they put the water holders whatever other chemicals down inside the sewage system and thousands and thousands, and thousands and thousands of rats came out here you a child seven, eight, nine, ten eleven twelve year old seeing this, and they would just killing a rat right there in front of you and there before they were running across offbeat as we would send on your and for me, I mean sale the rat run across my feet big was lucky because I have become used to it it was normal. and. So they protested he came out and did some about it. It didn't change a whole lot of the environment but that one thing that they advocated for did change a little bit of the health issues that we were concerned about. But they spoke up and they they had a boy you know and they became an unsung hero in a sense to change some of the conditions because I imagine if they had never said anything. Read you. We know that you've had. A, life of poverty in that type of environment. But tell us about one man's impact regarding top love. Be Allowed. Place you roll to academics. Like Dang up just a digress a little bit. How did I get there? And deny that man and what did he do? I. I was in and out of the juvenile justice system three different time for armed robbery burglary selling draw hustling. Breaking the people houses. I cared twenty, two, hundred, thirty, eight at age fourteen, and I was expelled from all schools in Atlanta at age fourteen for by the teacher might coach I wasn't proud of that good student up to that and then as a result of that foolishness. been out of school I mean even think about it. That will more people in our community out of school than in school I remember this grade that was seventy of US boys in my class around seventy. Two graduated from high school and I'm the only one that I know that graduated from college. and. So why going through all that bullies and? Southern Drugs and having thousands of thousands of dollars in my pocket and gambling to stealing to. Selling drugs to you name it anything Emma came full-time job because I wasn't in school but I wasn't the only one. A whole community nobody was going to school. I know people who didn't even go to school from elementary to middle school. And so as a result of being expelled from school. But my own foolish behavior. At a fourteen, I start hanging industry. So two years I was on the street todd, my mother didn't know where words for weeks out of time. Doing things that I should not have been doing and. Stealing cars, you name all the other foolishness. But then at a sixteen. A gentleman named Bobby Garrett came out and I like to say he and the organization at the time call exit they were street workers upon of the post office. Exit Street academies and they came out and talked to us and these young ladies who had gone to this alternative school told them about me that I had some intellectual. I was smart and all these other academic. So he came out and he talked to us in the Middle School Day. Know, where did it dame but triggered me to go try this program out. was having thousands of dollars in my pocket go. To the school and unbeknownst to me, he became that father figure. I didn't know that was missing and I listened to him and he mentored me and he nurtured me and caused me to change my life and to this day you know I just white my island and hopefully no one saw it. But I bring tears to my because the two people who I am. So endeared within that is my mother and my brothers were to wear my brothers but the one man was Bobby Garrett. And excuse me begin a little emotional. In harm's way and he saved my life. Saved, my life because I'm the only one out of that entire twenty thirty be onboard on the basketball court I'm the only one decided to listen and try to give the school a chance, and so I went to. You gave me now. Gave me tough love and such a wonderful way that he nurtured me on a way to make me see the good in myself That he saw the good in made that I didn't see in myself and. I in graduating from. High. School. I'll be with GD. Think may have shared this with you dean that I'm only Greg I'm only one year of high school that thought. I wonder what would have happened if I had a four four years but I have one year of high school and you say, well, how did you graduate with one year I graduated with a ged and actually graduated from High School in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy six but was supposed to be in seventy seven. So I graduated a year early. So you can see it wasn't my into ability. He was my non cognitive ability to deal with the socio emotional packers that surrounded me and he was able to take some of that baggage. Out of my book bag on my rucksack and helped me get my life on track. Wow. Reggie this has been such an interesting conversation you. You're not gonNA believe like we are close to running. Back and we're Matt even through but I've. What we're GONNA do Dino Ale is is definitely do apart are two so that we can continue this conversation because we need for folks to hear how you got over on the other side and some other tips that you can give to families into young men and so don't worry everyone don't worry. We are going to have reggie back or part because it's just too much information. Albany has too much of his story to tell Reggie of people want to get. Your book, where can they find it and where can they get in contact with you? Thank you. you can visit my website over we'll be the poster, but that is don t h e. L. As DOT COM and other link on their on how you'll be able to get the book for those that don't have it it would like to order a copy. We'll make sure to have that. on our website and have the graphic as well as a graphic. Of the book and again Reggie we're we're GONNA. Get Ready. Have you back with a party 'cause I know they are folks men throughout this United States? That are ready to hear more about what she had to say. So Dino L. my wonderful wonderful homes as always is been great in You know we just want to remind our podcast audience don't forget that. You have employees don't be afraid to doubt. World.

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Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily

The Christian Science Monitor Daily

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Tuesday, June 16, 2020 - The Christian Science Monitor Daily

"Welcome to the Monitor daily podcast. It's Tuesday June sixteenth. Thanks for joining us I'm Dave Scott. And I'm Jessica, Mendoza. As the National Basketball Association solidified plans to resume play in Orlando Florida next month. The League figured that pandemic safety concerns would keep some players at home. Now something else may stop their participation. THEIR MORAL COMPASS! NBA Players are facing dilemma. What's the most effective way to help? End Racial injustice. To play. Or boycott. Last Friday injured Brooklyn Nets Star. Irene Irving hosted a zoom meeting with more than players. He urged them to cancel the NBA Twenty twenty season saying. I'm willing to give up everything I have for social justice reported the athletic. Los Angeles Laker Center Dwight Howard released a statement Saturday. That reads in part, basketball or entertainment period isn't needed at this moment and will only be a distraction. The quest for racial equality is bigger than sports and these. NBA players want to seize what's seen as historic momentum. Others including Lebron James Argue that a televised. NBA Game offers a bigger advocacy platform and a more diverse audience twitter following. HOUSTON. Rockets Guard Austin rivers wrote on Instagram. We can do both we can play and we can help change the way. Black lives are lived. As some fans observe to work or not? Is a multi millionaires dilemma. But. The fact that these wealthy athletes are having a public debate over how to best push for lasting justice. is a kind of progress to. Now today's stories. Are First Story. Some may be surprised by the US Supreme Court's landmark ruling that protects sexual orientation and gender identity. Are reported looks at why this decision makes sense the conservative justices. US Supreme Court Justice Neal. Gorsuch wrote the six three majority opinion enshrining civil rights LGBTQ Americans. In his view Monday's historic ruling was a straightforward one. The one hundred seventy two pages of opinions tell a more complicated story. One of debate between the courts, conservative justices over how best to interpret laws based on the ordinary meaning of the text. Heidel seven of the nineteen sixty four civil rights act prohibits employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex and national origin. The majority held that sex covers gay or transgender people. Those. Who adopted the Civil Rights Act might not have anticipated. Their work would lead to. This particular result, wrote Justice Gorsuch. But the limits of the drafters imagination supply no reason to ignore the laws demands. While questions of religious liberty remain to be addressed, the ruling is a momentous one. Title Seven is a super statute says. Yale Law, Professor William Miscarriage for individual rights. It has more ramifications for most Americans than the constitution. What is important to us? It's the same things that are important to other Americans. He adds. That's to not be criminalised to have our families recognized and to have jobs, and not to be discriminated against. This story was reported by Henry Gas and story. Hinckley for the Monitor. Six blocks of Seattle A so-called autonomous zone jumped into the media spotlight last week, becoming a symbol of anarchy to some and reform to others on the ground. Our reporter found a more complicated picture. On the leafy streets of Capitol Hill in Seattle six blocks have become an activist hub attracting attention from Washington DC and beyond. Last week amid tense rallies, racism and police violence officers abruptly vacated the local precinct and the activists Chris in the area. The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone This weekend. They changed the name to chop. But what that stands for depends on whom you ask a reflection of the movements, evolving goals and leadership. Outside views of the area or even more complicated with some supporters, seeing it as a beacon of hope for their movement and conservative critics as a danger. But in the zone, where a diverse community has set up open mics and a garden and danced in the street. Activists say chops main purpose is to imagine debate and experiment with a radically different relationship between police and community. The night design was created lots of people who had had their voices silenced for generations had a chance to get up in front of the crowd. It was the people's. Mike says a protester named John An, unemployed theater worker who lives a block away. It was a remarkable turn of events that felt like a victory to me. This story it was reported by an Scott Tyson in Seattle for the Monitor. President trump has long wanted closer relations with Moscow. Now he has a new motivation. Rights are columnist, and it has bipartisan support a desire to constrain China. US President Donald Trump appears to be making overtures to Moscow in a new bid to improve ties that he has long wanted to strengthen. But this time the international context is different and president. Trump has a new motivation for wanting to make nice with Russian President Vladimir Putin. China. Recent signs of possibly warmer relationship include arms control talks next week between U.. S. and Russian officials. And President trump suggestion that he would invite President Putin to a summit of the Group of Seven, even though Russia has been suspended from the group of economically advanced democracies. They may come to nothing. Members of Congress on both sides of the aisle are warier of President Putin. The US president is. But as China's spreads its influence and ambitions, growing numbers of lawmakers, coming to share president trump's hostility toward Beijing. Fifty years ago Richard Nixon made a surprise visit to Beijing and restored diplomatic relations with China as a means to circumscribe the Soviet Union. Could president trump be attempting reverse Nixon gambit, using Russia as a counterweight to China. This story was reported by NED PIMCO in London. For the Monitor. On its face. defunding police sounds sweeping and radical. But the phrase and the movement behind it involves a lot of careful thought about how to improve safety through community policing. In the wake of nationwide protests, following the suffocation of George Floyd under the knee of Minneapolis police officer, the idea of defunding police departments has gained momentum in the national conversation about law, enforcement and race. But the term de-fund has led to push back from those who worry, it means eliminating police entirely. Police officers have become the go to first responders for a host of social problems. They themselves often say they're asked to function as social workers, family counselors or crisis managers. When we talk about defending the police, it suggests take the huge amounts of funds that you're sending over to highly armed police forces an invest instead in education and health services and infrastructure, especially within the most marginalized and underrepresented communities, says Tyler Perry. A professor at the University of Nevada Las Vegas. There's this growing feeling that reform is just no longer enough says Sekou Franklin a professor at Middle Tennessee State University. You've had body cameras. For example you've had implicit bias training. You've had deescalation training, but you could have all of these reforms, but even still racial disparities never seem to change. This story reported by Harry ruinous in New York for the Monitor. To understand this moment in America's history of race, we asked author Andrea King Collier for her reading list. She offers ten books that speak to the ways that black people have been denied. The humanity and offer pathways toward equity justice an empathy. If you want to know what black people are thinking and feeling and Jia. King Collier Rights. You have to go to the books with their voices and their lived experiences. And she can't help but think about how it was against the law during slavery for blacks to read or write. Andrew hadn't really red black voices until she was in her early Thirties when she read Maya Angelou's memoir. I know why the caged bird sings. If the only victim you can name is George Floyd. She recommends digging into Wesley. Lorries. They can't kill us all. Ferguson Baltimore and a new era in America's Racial Justice Movement. The book is a deep dive into the quest for justice in the deaths, due to police violence of Michael. Brown Tamir rice and Freddie Gray. And as Andrea shaped her list of books, others were shaping. There's for the first time in the history of bestseller lists the recent top twenty books all dealt with race privilege inequity. But she cautions that reading about race is not a be treat. None of these books is going to be made into a hallmark movie. Each of them will get under your skin and linger awhile as they should. You can find Andrew First Person Essay enlist recommendations in today's issue. Now commentary on phones from the Monitor's editorial board. Protesters in Seattle have turned the city's Capitol Hill neighborhood into a cop free zone. A novel attempt to redefine security for a community. Eventually the city will sort out a new role for its beliefs and protesters will end their watch patrols. But one aspect of the experiment should not end. Citizens in zone are realizing that safety also lies in providing for others they have set up shelters and a community garden. They are picking up trash most of all. They're donating food, water and health supplies. This burst of neighborly generosity in the name of social justice fits a new poll that finds young people have nearly doubled Thir- charitable donations to address racial inequality, discrimination or social injustice. Young people are shaking up old patterns of giving and given the events of twenty twenty. Giving may never be quite the same. The US in particular is coping with a pandemic, a recession and now a mass movement for social justice. In Seattle the new dynamics of generosity are playing out in one neighborhood. In the end giving is about providing a safe and secure life for each other. That's our news. You can find the full length versions of these stories and today's issue or at CS. MONITOR DOT com slash daily. Come back tomorrow. We're working on a story about how Washington's response to the George Floyd protests may be undermining us. Moral Authority brought. If you're a member of the red, media community are Supreme Court reporter Henry Gas. We doing an ask me anything event about the legal limits of US presidential power at one PM Eastern. Time on Wednesday at the politics sub community. You can find a link to that sub it in today's issue. Today's Christian science spiritual. Perspective contributor writes that a sincere desire to feel God's grace, and reflected towards others opens the door to more healing and harmony in our lives. Can Find the column today's issue or at CS monitored. Dot Com slash. Finally. Grace note of gratitude to our staff. Including today's audio. Production, Jessica Mendoza and Jeff Burton. This podcast is produced by the Christian Science Monitor. Copyright Twenty Twenty.

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On Country Music Airwaves, Female Artists Fight For Equal Play

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On Country Music Airwaves, Female Artists Fight For Equal Play

"This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed, if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. You got. From WB. You are Boston and NPR I'm mega chocolate bardy. This is on point. No would be like say, Scott. In may. The door. Any more get? Who doesn't love that picture of country music star Casey musk graves holding a boat load of Grammys four wins in two thousand nineteen including album of the year and best country song for space cowboy the track? You're hearing right now, but she's done at largely without the support of the country radio establishment space cowboy for example, peaking only at number thirty on Billboard's hot country songs chart and never once appearing on the country. Airplay chart will must graves us. Not alone. The women of Nashville say they're fighting for radio play for bookings for the business deals that lead to record sales. They're speaking out against music city's old boys network. They say is discriminating against them this hour on point female artists fighting for equal play on country music airwaves, and you can join us are female country artists under represented on the radio or. Ignored entirely who's flying under the radar that you don't think is getting the credit the accolades or the success. She deserves for her music. Join us anytime it on point radio dot org or Twitter and Facebook at on point radio. We've got a couple of terrific guests during us from Nashville Tennessee today. Kaley shores with us. She's a singer songwriter and the co founder of the all female Nashville songwriting collective and showcase the song. Suffragettes? She's also the co host of a daily segment on radio Disney country called let the girls play that highlights the women of country music. Kaley shore, welcome to on point. Hey, thank you so much for having great to have you also with us as Kelly Bannon. She is also a singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast this Nashville life, which explores the world of country of the country music industry. She was an inaugural member of CMT's next women of country campaign in two thousand thirteen Kelly. Bannon welcome to you. Hey, magnetic, you so much for having me this great to have both of you. I mean, let me. I hear from from from both of you, and Kaley maybe we'll just start with you have you felt the effects of. I mean, I call it. The old boys network music city. Have you felt the effects of that on your career? I mean, absolutely. I think you'd be so hard pressed to find a woman who would say she hasn't been just because it's gotten to the point where from, you know, taking your first publishing meetings in Nashville to try to get a songwriting deal to being at the very top of your game and struggling to get past the top thirty lake Casey graves, arguably the, you know, hottest one of the hottest artists and music period after winning record or record of the year. And I feel like it's directly affected me in so many different ways. But I also think that I'm speaking for nearly everyone and so Kelly what about you? Well, I think what's funny is a lot of people when they hear us talking about this topic in two thousand nineteen it just it's really shocking to them or they think maybe we're exaggerating because it just is so unfathomable to the average person. And I think, you know, wh-what Kaley just mentioned, it's it's so standard practice here that you know, you hear things like, well, we already have one woman on our roster or there's already one woman on this Bill on this lineup. Like that is just that. That's just an average day for us. So I think we're just trying to steal acquaint people with the conversation to begin with. So they can help us kind of try to figure out how we make it better. Wow. Okay. Well, I want to actually play some of your music on both of yours, but Kelly I'm going to start with you. Let's hear a little bit of church clothes. This is two thousand seventeen from you Kelly. And so let's listen to it. Right. We walk. In just. Two. Slept on us. I. With. Kelly Ben in two thousand seventeen church close now Kelly. What was it about this song? There's something that happened with the song in your record label that that's sort of emblematic of the challenges that women in country are facing what happened. Well, when we first found this Hong this song was written by two incredible Grammy-winning songwriters. Liz rose in a coal galleon. And I usually only cut my my own songs that I've written. But I heard the song. And I felt like it was such a massive song. Just the writing was so incredible. It was so truthful just about marriage what it's like to be in relationship with someone in long-term way, which is hard and what I think country music does best is just tell the truth in stories about real life. And so from me church close ticked all of those boxes. So we begged publishers. To let us cut this song. We shared it with my record label, m manager at the time, everyone is flipping out it just about I think the opportunity of a song like this that just is so truthful, and so honest, and and we felt you know, the audience would really be be able to connect with and the label knew it was a big song. I think too. I mean that was the buzz in the building at my label at the time was just that. This is a really special special song in like, how do we how do we set it up? So that we, you know, this song really gets a chance to be hurt when I had had a couple what would be considered failed singles at country radio, which means they were top fortyish. But but no climbed no higher on the charts than that. And so when you coming back from kind of some MRs at radio, you really maybe don't have the same opportunity you have as when when you have a clean slate. So we knew we had that to overcome and the label just said, look we really believe in song. And we think it's really important. But there's no. Away. We can put out a female ballad to country radio and ask them to play it like, maybe we get another. Yeah. We know at the time the other things that were on the radio, right? Then wasn't a single on a an emerging artist. Mickey Guidon a beautiful incredible powerful ballad called better than you left me. It was struggling ended up not really working at radio and also girl crush by little big town, which is a female fronted band, which went onto win Grammys NBA a monster monster song, but at the time we were having this conversation around church close the research on girl crush had not turned around yet. And and people thought they were going to lose the team thought they were going to lose that song at country radio. So those are some of the things that were kind of imply at that in that moment. Wow. I I would say that the summary is it's already hard enough to get a woman on the radio. It's a double negative if it's a ballad, but then the writer of girl crush also route church doesn't that seem so strange though because. Because I mean, it's like if if everyone believes that this song could be a massive hit. And nevertheless, it's tough to get it on the radio. I mean, look all admit, I do not understand the the minute of of how the country music business works, and that's why we're doing this hours to teach ourselves, but it doesn't make any sense. Well, honestly, we are. It's kind of like we're scratching our heads to because I don't think that there is like one big bad wolf out there who's trying to keep women off of major playlists or off of the radio. But we've just kind of built a system that has almost maybe maybe intentionally but probably accidentally led us to this moment where they're such disparity. Yeah. Well, I want to hear a little bit of Keighley's music as well. So let's listen to this two thousand sixteen track from Keighley shore called fight like a girl. And. Kaley shorts 2016 track fight like a girl. Kaley told me a little bit about this song. I wrote this song with two other girls. I met through song suffered yet Selena's stone and Haley steel, and it was written when none of us had a publishing deal. I had never released music before I actually Lena hadn't either. And we were really just kind of it was at the really beginning of us assessing the problem of women in country music, and it was right after tomato gate, which was when a very prominent country radio consultant said that if you play more than fifteen percent of women on country radio people will tune out in that women are the tomatoes of the country radio salad and the lettuce, and we just need to you know, if you want to he literally said if you want to program successfully take women out that was an absolute direct, quote that he said in a major country music publication aimed towards the industry. And so we heard that and kind of started talking and Lena it had this title called fight like a girl, and we were like, well, maybe we just sing to him. Maybe we just saying to him. Maybe we think so when it says he's calling out my name. He says. Just a featherweight. I mean, we really are directly talking to Mr. Keith hell himself, and it'd be kind of came bigger than that. And us just talking about, you know, adversity in general as a woman, and I was raised by a single mom who really I mean, I didn't encounter like true true. Sexism of this grandiose form until I moved to Nashville because it was just never conversation in my house. My mom was never like, you should probably be a wife, or you know, it was always like you can do literally anything you put your mind, no questions. So I never doubted it until I got here and that song did incredibly well on siriusxm the highway which is the largest country radio station in the country, actually think maybe in the world, probably I think so because they Aaron to nationally, but it worked there, you know. So I don't understand church close work to there and Kelly was the first artist to have three consecutive highway fines, which is like their power rotation thing. They do for new artists and music discovery. In fact, like a girl was part of the highway finds program as well. We'll you know, we're going to talk a lot more about this in the challenges that women in Nashville are facing. And and also what you're doing to push back against that. But Kayleigh shore and Kelly Bannon hang on here for just a minute. We're we're gonna take a quick break. And we're going to go out with Marianne Morris asong girl, the lead single off this year's album of the same name. And we are talking about women in Nashville pushing back against challenges in the country music business of even basic things like getting on the radio, this is on point. Span the fund whose lesson. Thank you. This message comes from on points sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsored jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. This season unin visibility. Should we empathize with our enemies fem ords should die? Is it? Okay. To have machines control, our emotions, I should be kind of freaked out. But at this impound lake will thank God. I live in this day and age, no, easy answers. Just the right questions invisible. Ya back on March eighth. This is on point. I made me chuckle body. And that of course is tonight. A twain from nineteen Ninety-seven come on over. We are talking this hour about how modern day women in Nashville in country music or having a tough time getting the kind of airplay that Shania used to get and why that is and what's happened to country music and how women are fighting back. We're joined today by Kaley shores. She is a singer songwriter and co founder of the all-female Nashville songwriting collective the song Suffragettes. She's also co host of a daily segment on radio Disney country called let the girls play Kelly. Bannon joins us as well. She is founder and host of the podcast this Nashville life wasn't inaugural member of CMT's next women of country campaign in two thousand thirteen she's a singer songwriter as well. And also with us from Nashville, Tennessee, Beverly keel joins us now, she's chair of the department of recording industry at middle. Tennessee State university longtime music journalist and co founder of change the converse. Sation a coalition designed to help fight gender inequality in country music, Beverly keel, welcome to on point. Hi, thanks for having me. It's great to have you. And we wanted to play tonight here to come at the top of this segment to just remind ourselves of how there have been so many so many of the giants of country music are women. And so what has not that? There aren't any giants now, but what has happened to the country music industry. That's making it harder for these potential huge names to break through today. Women are not getting the opportunities that they did in the nineties. If you look at the nineties musical landscape, you had women of every sound and theme from REBA mcentire, faith hill. Shania Twain, one ONA Judd, Mary Chapin carpenter Pam Tillis, Kathy. Matteo Martina McBride on and on and on. And now women are not getting opportunities to be heard. And you're not hearing them on country radio therefore labels are not signing as many women, therefore publishing companies aren't signing as many songwriters. There are very few female producers, and we're not hearing the voice of women on radio. So apparent can literally drive their daughter to and from school and never hear a female voice on country radio. Yeah. Well, so what happened in at the end of the is. Because the thing we're we're wondering about is after nine eleven in two thousand one it seemed as if sort of the the ROY. The really popular really high profile country, the commercial country music turned to you know, a, hyper patriotic ma- a masculine sound. I mean is that the thing that muscled off or elbowed awful? A lot of women off off the rotations for country music stations. Well, there is a phrase called bro country coined to create the really rhythmic driven songs by men wearing baseball caps often backwards. Luke, Bryan is sort of the the king of that. And that has dominated the radio airwaves and women. Are just literally not being heard Suk Kellyanne kailua. Let me pull you back in here. What do you what do you think about it that there's sort of this was that there was this big shift in the late nineties early two thousands? Well, you know, I don't want to get overly technical about radio programming because I am definitely not an expert in that. But there were some assumptions I think that that weren't really truly rooted in any real research, but that serves started to become to be implemented in those early two thousand so it was like, maybe we play a little bit less less fewer women per hour. And then a lot of things that have nothing to do with. Bias necessarily kind of contributed from you know, deregulation. And also, the automation of the way things are scheduled kind of started to make it just a little easier to say, actually, maybe we all are only gonna play one woman per hour, and we can program that and it's you know, we've got fewer and fewer people making decisions. There are fewer and fewer independent radio stations that are getting programmed by one human. So I think an I really happen to believe that in some ways it it wasn't an intentional edging out. It just we've kind of slowly come to the place where now we're at what twelve to thirteen percent. Female air. So I just wanted to produce because because I get your point. But that it may not have been intentional edging out. But then we have this. We the the effects were to build a momentum. Right. And totally. And so, and I think that's that's what I'm trying to understand here. Because for example, we got this comment. That's come in on Twitter from someone named calling themselves MJ age MJ, h says, it's a business you have to produce a marketable product radios only there to sell commercial time, not your recordings, but Beverly kilo totally but I'm just curious about. Okay, M G H might have a point here. But what is radio gonna play that isn't already charting? And if it's not playing how's it going? How's it going to chart, and if there's a chicken and egg problem here, how can women get in and break that cycle? Well, there's a fallacy that women are not making commercially viable product. If you look at maranda lamp, for instance, she always sells. Well, she's won four or five ACM album of the year awards. She had the song. Tin man that got two Grammy nominations for best country song best country solo performance. She wanted ACM song of the year didn't make the country charts top twenty. So look at Taylor swift his started in country music and cells at least five million copies of every album. She releases the problem is these women are not getting exposure. So you don't know they exist. That's it. That's it. Because we have a saying here in Nashville that's hits aren't written. They're made. And what we're not saying, please, please don't hear saying play me because I'm a woman or play my friends because they're women. What we what we actually want is just for the gatekeepers to prioritize sharing that platform. So that a song by the by a woman has the opportunity to become a hit has the opportunity to be embraced by fans. We're not saying Chevy song down somebody's throat. They don't wanna listen to where saying give the listener the chance to fall in love with this. Great song. I think a really good example. Of that. That affected me pretty directly was when I released fight like a girl in two thousand sixteen as my first single it was selling really well, and I was an independent artist. And it sold forty thousand copies which is pretty unheard of. And the only debut female who outsold that year was memoirs, and I went in and met with every record label and heard the same thing that was already we already have a girl or pushing a girl and one of the most direct things I heard was after I left a meeting. My my manager heard from someone at one of the the big big three or whatever big three labels that said Keighley's a superstar she'd kill it on radio tour, but we just can't sign a girl right now. And so I don't wanna consolation prize. And I if someone told me that my music wasn't good enough in that was why I wasn't getting a record deal. I'd go back to the drawing board and try to get better writing music. But if someone's telling you this is a hit, it's working. We just can't do it because you're woman. I mean that is like. Such black and white gender bias. And at the time that fight like a girl was selling forty thousand copies. There was a song headed to number one. That would go on to be number one by a new male artists that had sold less and. So I mean, how are you going to say that you know, that it's not getting worse Levi? I want to just hear a little bit more music here than in turn to our callers has we're getting a lot of response to this topic here. But I I mean Kayleigh I wanna play a moment from a song Suffragettes anthem this time's up. It features more than a dozen female country artists, including Kaley shore. Full do still wicket in vain terms. Follow the chain Kaz now. The game has changed. It's been a long time coming this new day, John and gonna stop today. Deletes olga. Patient. Humble am not. Song Suffragettes anthem time's up from two thousand eighteen you know, of Beverly keel said a little earlier that one of the major challenges that women in country just aren't getting exposure on the radio anymore. And that brings me back to thinking about tomato gate where Keith women the tomato of the salad of country music. So let's go to Jesse who's calling from old, Lyme, Connecticut. Jesse you're on the air. Hi, thanks for taking my call. Yeah. Keith on us, my consultant, I no longer in country music. I I've been on both sides of the coin I represented in artists trying to get those spins of going cross the country radio station radio station. Have also been on the radio. I think first off the quality. I think in country music that the listeners looking for has been dumbed down over the years where before I mean, they're not looking for the next Wichita lineman. Now, it seems like this one a flashy hook something easy to remember singing along to individual to go along with it on CMT, and that they don't want to be educated. They just want something easy to sing along to and that's one of the problems from their personal perspective. But another thing is you have to really Zammit on how the data is collected. Keith would gladly make the men the tomatoes in the women the lettuce if that's what data showed. I mean, if you really wanna change country music, you have to look at how data is collected. He's focus groups first off ally listeners the country radio are women to begin with if they want to hear men. Well, that's what they're saying. And and like I say in Keith is there to make money for the radio station. It's just kinda like what that Twitter person said, you know, the general manager could care less about the song on the radio rather. It's a dull contemporary country, or what have you? They wanna see revenues honesty ratings and that has much to do with commercials in another thing is like what was touched upon before. Is the independent radio stations are falling by the wayside in. You have much of the industry better driven by consultants better driven by this data. Right. So like, I said Keith isn't hit. He's a great guy. I you know, I've had dinner with Keith heath has taught me a lot about radio. He himself who has been made to be the pri-. He really isn't. I mean, he is a data drain. We'll just take it back from you there. And and and I can imagine that. Go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. We absolutely understand the data perspective. The problem is women are only being tested overnight. When no one's listening. So they'll say they're testing asong with X amount of spins. But if it's all overnight, and it's not during drive time. It's really hard for the actual average country listener, which isn't awake at three AM to be, you know, engaged by the song because they're still not exposed to it. And also as far as Keith collecting data one of his most recent tweets said that the reason that women don't want to hear other women is because our ears are scientifically different and we don't like hearing high pitched noises. So I'm not super sure about his data collection. And also if you look at the pop realm. Yes, almost all the the superstars there are female. You've got beyond say Cardi B riana. Yes. We're Swiss problem isn't happening in other genres great. Go ahead. Oh, no. I please. Beverly well, something that that really bothers me is you're not hearing the female perspective invoices on country radio. In addition. You're hearing women songs relegating women to the passenger seat of the car. So an every lyric. Now seems to have the word girl in it. So we've now whatever age your girl, and it's country music will play songs about women just not songs by women. Let me just get another caller in here since we're talking about sort of the the data in the business side of commercial country radio. Let's go to cousin Kate from Newton Massachusetts, you're on the air. Hello ladies. I hike has an Kate Boston your high I host Sunday morning country. Here Boston every Sunday from ten to two, and I think you're targeting the wrong audience commercial country from me these days has a huge undeserved market. They pretty much left their audience back in the late nineties and all the gals that we loved back, then, you know, Patty, loveless and carlene Carter, and some Heather Myles Mandy Barnett all these ladies that were all all over TNN CMT on the radio you heard and saw them everywhere. They're not to be found anymore. I mean, the only place that you're gonna find people like healthy Walden Margot price Cheney Wyatt. Leeann Womack, you can find them on the noncommercial radio stations. And now, they're calling the Americana radio stations and one of the things that I try to do every week in my set list, my playlist, I play male female male. Email because there is nothing worse than hearing an entire half hour of a male voice. Can I just jump in here for a second cousin because I think I get your point. I think of taking point like that maybe the the women to be looking for places where they will get much more frequent airplay. And obviously here I am in public radio. I am going to be a fan of noncommercial stations. No problem. But isn't the bigger issue though, that why should they have to do that? The commercial stations are just taking away the opportunities from them. What do you think about that? Yes, that's true. I don't think that they should have to do. I think that's just the reality of it. What I saw take place is that a lot of marketing people got into the business in the late nineties. They weren't music lovers. They're all about the stats are all about the numbers. And that's what's driving a lot of their decisions. They have they've they've lost touch with the soul of country music. So they don't they don't really understand what that audience is looking for a lot of people that by a lot of merch when they go to the shows, but you're not going to see it because on the with the radio numbers because like the lady said, they're just not played. We'll cousin Kate. I gotta take it back from me because we have to take a quick break here. But thank you so much for your call, Beverly keel. We have about a minute to go before we have to take our break. But this issue of the the big business of country radio being very sort of data and numbers driven. I mean that that too is a fact, but then how do you start changing that? Well, I think we're halfway there. So when Tracy Gershon Leslie Fram enough forms change the conversation in two thousand fourteen and I was writing about it. I was told that a problem didn't exist. I was trying to create a problem where there wasn't one. And now, everyone's at least says there there is a problem, and we just wanna fix it. We're not interested in pointing fingers or blaming people. What can we do to change it? And that's what we're focusing on will Beverly keel, Kelly Bannon and Kaley store hang on here for just a second quick break time. We're going to go out with this town is killing me from Caitlyn Smith twenty sixteen. It's a two thousand sixteen song from her. It's a heartfelt ballad about the pressures of the country music industry. And we are talking about this very pressures that women in Nashville are facing. We'll be right back. This is on point. Some fill in Tupelo. In the press up as a whole loan. Nine songs and never see. Still. Spoonful. Sounds killing. How do we perceive our experience as humans who are we today? And who could we be tomorrow? I'm guy Roz on the radio hour, we go on a journey through the big ideas that animate our world each week. It's the Ted radio hour from NPR. Had a dream of bad burn. You stuck in sad akin. Get you. Men pool. To win in small. This is on point I Magnin chucker party. And that is Cam from her two thousand fifteen single burning house. We're talking this hour about the challenges that women in country music are facing getting airplay on the radio which translates into a tougher time getting on those billboard charts topping those charts, even as they're bringing country music, some terrific songs and were winning music as well. We're joined today by Kaley short. She is a singer songwriter and co founder of the all-female Nashville songwriting collective the song Suffragettes Kelly. Bannon joins us as well. Also, a singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast of this Nashville life, and Beverly keel is with us. She's chair of the department of the recording industry at middle. Tennessee State university longtime music journalist and co founder of change the conversation in Beverly and a few minutes. We'll talk about what change the conversation has been doing. But our phone lines are lighting. Up. So let's go to Mary Beth who's calling from a Beata springs. Louisiana. Mary Beth you're on the air. Hello. Thank you. Ladies so much for taking my call. I got in the car and actually on my way to Birmingham Casey must concert right now. I've been listening to country my entire life. I'm from the, Sal, you know, I listen to Loretta land rebuy Dali all all the ones, but I completely stopped listening to country music after the Dixie chicks were basically shunned from seeking out basically on their opinions. And I think the country music industry has made a grave mistake in completely alienating certain demographics of people in general. And I am in extreme consumer of music, and it's not until last spring. I saw Casey must Braves perform on Saturday Night Live. I had no idea who she was. And I saw her, and I was like who is this goddess. And I immediately looked up her tour schedule to see the closest show that she was playing to me, and I actually live in a suburb of New Orleans and on her tour, she skipped New Orleans altogether. So I bought a ticket to see her in Birmingham, Alabama, which is a five hour drive. Hey, Mary Beth can I just jump in here for a second just quickly to remind folks because you mentioned the Dixie chicks? I am a massive Dixie chicks fans, they after nine eleven, you know, they started speaking out against the the Iraq war, and they had criticisms of President, George W Bush. They were getting death threats that they had to stop touring for a while and several years after that when they finally came out with their their their first album in a long time. I thought that was one of their best albums ever. But that I mean your point about them being more than pushed aside by the industry that didn't necessarily back them up. Either is a good one. But but Mary Beth let me just ask you when you saw Casey must graves on. Like who are who was this? God is what was it about her music that really? Well, gotcha. First of all, I was I was apprehensive. Even like like, I didn't wanna like it becomes I have such a bad taste in my mouth in the country. Sri now, especially with relation to women and their lack of exposure. But she the song that she played was high horse, which is like a country song. Huge fan of this go, really. And I was like is woman. I love country. I love disco. But I haven't really expressed part myself in so long 'cause I just like shut it down. And then the second song she played with slow-burn, and I'll just like she's a beautiful so bird, and this and that and the saddest thing is not I've been so amped up for the show. I bought my ticket almost a year ago. And I've told all my friends and going CKC moss graves, and everybody's like who even even after the Grammy's will maybe thank you for your call. I wanna I wanna like be sure that you're safe driving down the road. So I'm gonna let you put down the phone here for second, but Kelly Kelly and Beverly let me ask you it to me one of the things. I'm hearing Mary Beth telling us is that there was just a lot of music for her for years that didn't resonate with her. And I'm wondering if if we are if country music is blocking out entire audiences because they're not letting I'm like, I'm not going to pigeonhole all female country music Carson anyway, but like. Is there is there a whole types of music types of songs that would resonate. They're just not being played in and think. Yeah. Go ahead there. Absolutely. Are those songs that would resonate? And I think what Mary Beth did without even realizing she brought her the point that she made is essentially, how are you going to discover new music if there's no platform for you to discover it from and so still the largest discovery tool for country music fans is the radio and second to that is probably play listing on major DSP's. And then third is like I mean, if she wasn't on SNL what an elite elite like how few people are on SNL. Right. So that's we're just saying, hey, we just want people to have the opportunity to fall in love with this music. And I mean, she just made the point just by telling that story because there is there. A presumption. I'm so sorry, I'm so excited. But is there could see you guys. We're. But is there? A presumption though that the that the women are making isn't going to resonate. Because like, I don't know. I don't I don't hear anyone saying that about the music to the men are making there's that presumption. Also, there's the presumption that the music isn't good enough. Like, oh, well, you know in this day and age the best musical rise. The the cream will rise to the top. We constantly get the question of like, maybe it's a quality problem. And I think what Casey just did beautifully by winning record of the year is just slam the door in the quality question. And I think that there's you know, it's so hard for me to believe that women's music isn't good enough. When that someone can fact check me on this. But I'm like ninety five percents Sharm, right? That there have been four country artists to win album of the year at the Grammys all genre. And it's been Alison Krauss Taylor swift the Dixie chicks and Casey Musk's in that order, and that's it. No male artists of ever one. Oh, all John record of the. Year. And so women are clearly making good enough music. And I just don't believe if you're going to tell me that like a woman can overcome even just being in country music to win all Gina because that is so rare. It's only happened four times and have a top thirty and never be supported on country radio is just absolutely it. Just doesn't make sense does not add up without radio hits. You don't get the TV show. Bookings. Right. Good award nominations. You on tours? Yes. So you have people like actually McBride Cathy Ashton Lindsey ills to kneel. Now. That that are not getting heard, and it's all thanks. Together. I mean that's trying to. So maybe Beverly this time to ask you about what changed the conversation is doing because since since it is also tightly bound up together. How do you tease it apart to give women the space and the opportunities to to to be more hurt somewhere records? Well, change the conversation is doing several things first of all were drawing attention to the problem. And now everybody at least admits their problem. We have partnered with country radio broadcasters, which is that organization that represents all the radio programmers nationally, and we're working on holding proverb townhall meeting with all the major players just to say, let's come up with audios for solutions. We don't care who created the problem. We just wanna fix it. And the beautiful thing about change the conversation. It is it really his created help create a community of twentysomething female singer songwriter. So they don't feel alone. They collaborate with each other. They support each other. They support each other on social media. We're raising awareness of the female artists were trying to give female artists a platform and attention that they're not getting anywhere else. But this is not going to be. Solved overnight. I was delighted to see that the academy of country music has created a task force on gender and inclusion and that goes along with the recording academy's task force. So it. Gender issues exist in the music industry. It's a whole different level in country music. Yeah. I can't get over. How ironic it seems or how it just doesn't make sense to me because country music has been so good at telling women's stories for so long here. I wanna go back to the phones, but first let's get a little bit more music in here Kelly. This is one A yours. This is the two thousand sixteen song cheap sunglasses. That's kelly. Bannon's two thousand sixteen song cheap sunglasses. Let's go to Celia who's calling from Buffalo New York. Cecilia you're on the air. Hi, thanks for taking my call. I love this show because I absolutely love country music. But I have to agree with the caller from Louisiana country music is so narrow now, and I think part of the exact everybody wants to parse out on their Kana from country. And I want the best country music albums of the last twenty five years was Nancy Griffith's other voices other rooms just I mean, I can listen to that today, and it makes no different than his. It's a timeless album today. And I'm just wondering, maybe your guests could talk to why that's happening because it seems to me like it's the lyrics, you know, that appeal to so many people and these gals are just creating great great music. And I'm just wondering if they have any thoughts on that division between quote, unquote, country and Americana. Thank you. Yes. Thank you for your coal. What do you think goes? I think there's a misconception that country. Radio is the main John rea- and artists like Casey musk graves and sturgeon Simpson and j yeah. And Chris Stapleton ARA sub-genre. But truthfully, if you look at it, that's the definition of country music church closes, the definition of country music. And I think that country radio's the sub-genre, but the problem is a sub genre has taken over the main discovery platform. Yeah. It all sounds relatively. Well, I don't wanna speak for everything because there is some really great music being made for males out there. But I don't necessarily feel like I need to spend time making that point right now. But that's like it's all really a very narrow genre. That sounds similar covers similar topics. It's a lot of it's produced by the same producers. And I think that, you know, leeann Womack is country music, and that maybe we're just looking at it wrong. But they're only playing sub-genre can if you look at the word shows, they would agree with you as well. Well, let's go to another call. Let's go to Miranda who's calling from Muslim. Tennessee miranda. You're on the air. Thank you for taking my call back to the demographic. I feel like one thing that they only really push with women is like the curiouser would you know, key in a man's car. Portraying winless crazy. And I mean, that's not what we are in that doesn't sell to me. I mean, I've never really been a big Carrie Underwood fans, and I would like to see more music. That's real that has real passion and relates more to buy day in life, you know, with pain and love and just life in general. I just I'm, you know, women are crazy. And I don't appreciate them, you know, being portrayed that way. Or you know, you gotta be six up and a pair of daisy Duke will Miranda. Thank you so much for your call. Let's go to Lynn going from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina linear on the air. Hello this. My call kind of segues back to the call about Americana music. One of my favorite artists is Jason is both and he doesn't get play on country radio. But his wife is also an artist Amanda shires, and he has a CD call that Nashville sale. And I think that the song has the same. But it has. Align that says mama wants to change that Nashville sound, but they're never gonna letter. And it really this conversation really made me think about that. Will Lynn thank you so much for your call. Beverly killing me turn back to you here for a second because I wonder just in our callers here granted there are nonscientific focus group. But but in our caller, you're hearing the urge and the desire for this music. Is there a way for country music fans themselves to to help push back against the commercial data driven forces of the industry. So that they can get more get these records more airplay. Call the radio stations. Let them know how you feel. I sure you that the songs your listeners are craving exists in Nashville. They're being written and recorded every day. You're just not hearing them. I think we look at two steps. One the FCC needs to know, this is going on since radios have radio stations have licenses in to advertisers. It's a Sumed that the average country radio listener is a female and they say females control the households buying power. And if industries like four to marketing to women, they should know if they advertise on country radio, the message country radio is sending to women and Kellyanne Kelly. What do you think? Well, I guess it is really really encouraging when we get to hear listeners say, oh, we are hungry for this music because there are times when I think we can fill discouraged and think obviously something is missing when we're only hearing one perspective, and it's not about not hearing, the male perspective. We wanna hear all the perspectives. I'm gonna just because it's come up so much a friend of mine. Karen Fairchild who's the lead singer little big town has done a great job using her platform to share some of this talent. After the show today. I will tweet out a list of some incredible music. That is great storytelling that is not necessarily my own that listeners can if they want to dive in in. They're not finding it other places. We wanna help them to our friends who are making great compelling music, and I would just say to call the radio stations. If you see a festival without a female on. It was very often tweet them tell them that they that. You wanna see a certain artists they have to listen to the fans because you guys are the ones with the wallets. And they don't exist without that. So if you buy the music, and you're actively demanding it's a lot of work, but Kellyanne I will thank you infinitely. And so we'll all the other girls making great music, and we'll we will re tweet what you put out, and then we'll also put it on our website on point radio dot org. But I have to say it's been such a terrific opportunity. And I've had such a great time talking with all of you. So so Kaley shore singer songwriter and co founder of the songwriting collective the song Suffragettes and host of a daily segment radio. Disney country, let the girls play Kaley. Thank you. So very much. Thank you Magna and Kelly, Ben and also singer songwriter and founder and host of the podcast this Nashville life Kelly. Great pleasure talk to you. Thank you so much. Thank you. So so much we really appreciate you caring about this and talking about it with us. Well, Beverly keel chair of the department of recording in St. middle Tennessee State university and co founder of change the conversation, Beverly you are such an expert in such a wealth of information on this. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for. Giving us this platform. We're going to close this hour with Lauren Elena song three offer twenty-seven album, album road, less traveled. I Magnin Chakrabarti. This is on point.

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101 - The Keepers: The Pack Horse Librarians of Eastern Kentucky

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101 - The Keepers: The Pack Horse Librarians of Eastern Kentucky

"Radio, welcome to the kitchen sisters present. We're the kitchen sisters. Dave Nelson n. Nikki Silva, I friends. I've got a quick favor to ask of you. It's time for our annual audience survey. You know that one that radio topa does each year. Could you take a few minutes to share some information about yourself and give us some feedback about the show? It should take less than ten minutes, and it really helps us out with sponsorships. And it shows that we have an active carrying listenership for the kitchen sisters present. Please visit survey. Nerds dot com. Slash kitchen sisters. That's survey. Nerds dot com. Slash kitchen sisters. Thanks on with the show. My name is Mary Ruth shooter Deiter. I'm ninety seven years old weighed traveled on a horse, riding down in the mountains of Kentucky, very poor country. Delivered books to children. Thank for cyber one of the works Posad at rose. That's Ruth. One of the last of the pack course librarians today episode, two in the keeper series stories of activist archivists, rogue librarians, curator's collectors and historians. The kitchen sisters present the pack horse, librarians of eastern Kentucky. Problem is to put the work three and one half million employable. I men and women one now on the relief role in the depression as horrible years after nineteen twenty nine, the Appalachians were hit so hard. Coal mines were being shut down. Lots of people in dire poverty. Eleanor Roosevelt decided to help create projects that would specifically benefit women and children. My name is Heather Henson author of that book woman. Eleanor Roosevelt felt very strongly about the Packers library project. Hang. And to help me by, I think we're win out. The Packers librarians, mostly women road circuits, round eighteen to twenty miles. They followed animal paths fence lines. I'm Cathy appel. I co wrote down cut in creek, the pack horse, librarians of Kentucky. They put stuff their saddlebags or a pillow case with books and strike out by horseback are mule to provide library service to the remote areas of the Kentucky mountains going into the Appalachian mountains of Kentucky was going back in time. No running water. No electricity, very few schools families live way up in the mountains, a creek bed that would be the road. We've forwarded greasy creek. Horses across rating would web to your. So you don't get it for aid. You do your job and that was it. You had to be hardy. Being able to clamber up the side of a mountain on a horse, you had to know the roads and creek beds. My name is Elisa McGraw. I wrote a story about the pack horse Iberians for the Smithsonian one county would start a pack horse library. Another county would hear about it. They would want one then that community would ask the WPA to let them hire carriers. Many of them were women between twenty five and thirty five. There want people coming in from outside to take jobs from people who were in the community. They were local women familiar with the people who wanted to read what they might wanna read. My grandmother, she was a horseback librarian. She was involved with the WPA because that was the workforce of the time of eastern Kentucky. You either worked or you starve to death. I'm Rick Overby grandson of grace caudal Lucas. She would rather that horse carriage, trails, mudholes of going back up into these hollers. She didn't own the horse. He rented it for fifty cents a week. She would range the books and a pack they would ride behind her on the saddle. She would haul around up two hundred and not only books, but magazines of the time and newspaper. Other with two small children. Her husband left in the depression. A lot of men did that. We'd how to invest sister was about a month old names, Richard over on the sun grace, Colorado, the goose on other Vichy get up every morning that four thirty feed me and my sister take us to my grandma deal. She got home at night and then he would feed this in push debated are all lower next day. Dollar day use led the heavy. He vote groceries and things that we'd never had before. Only thing. The federal government provided was the salary for the carriers. My name is Jean Schnitzer co, author down cut shin creek pack or slobber eastern Kentucky lane Naf seer. One of the leaders in the Kentucky library association really goes to bat for this project. She started something called the penny fund. It asked for all of the state parent teacher associations to donate a penny. Children donated pennies one little school collected enough pennies to make a dollar and they sent the dollar in this being the depression. It was hard for people to give up anything. I mean, even penny drive was taxing as people from all over the United States learned about this. They would donate cast off magazines us. Used books, Swiss family Robinson, Heidi better homes and gardens. National Geographic popular mechanics by nineteen thirty seven. They'd gotten sixty thousand bucks. Burien would go through the ragged magazines and dilapidated books and they would cannibalize them deconstructed remix them and create these new scrapbooks. I'm Jason Vance librarian middle Tennessee State university library manual for WPA Pakuris library projects. The following scrapbooks have been found useful recipes mountain ballots, Kentucky, history, odd names articles on a particular subject. Dogs, Spain, Nazis model airplanes would collect recipes and patterns for quilts from people around put them together into a scrapbook and share county to county nineteen forty. There were two thousand five hundred eighty. Two of the scrapbooks they became part of the circulating collection pack. Horse librarians were creating these cultural artifacts. Snapshots of life and eastern Kentucky during the great depression. So happy to get a book Kika. Today we always say under the Bill chestnut tree, they didn't know how to raid Salah rated. So we get owners in Kentucky in nineteen thirty illiteracy in the southeastern counties was anywhere from nineteen to thirty one percent. Some people were originally a little bit leery of the pack, horse librarians, because reading was seen as sort of a leisure activity when you're trying to get this corn Hoed and work done on a small farm, somebody can't be sitting with their feet up reading. This was just frivolous. There was a lot of illiteracy there. The pack horse librarians would sit in re to people at the houses. Then mount back up and get going. They were really huffing it to get done before Dr. Grace was out on a winter day and it started to sleep is falling out of the sky. Normally, she might have stopped at one of the households along the way and spent the night. But the last house on her circuit was a family that she knew if she stayed there that they would feed her and likely that would mean nothing for the kids. So she just pushed on before she could get home. She had to cross a creek. The water was high enough. It covered her stirrups by the time she got home. Her feet were encased in ice. Our should. He wish we on through the creeks. She had mountains climate. Through. The program ended in nineteen forty three. We're in the war or pulling out of this depression. The library program was no longer fun bid by the federal government, the salaries for carriers, but nineteen fifty four. The state of Kentucky starts a bookmobile program. In Alaska. There are Bush playing librarians in Africa. There's camel librarians in Louisiana. There were floating librarians polling flat boats in the bodies in Thailand. They're using elephants and Zimbabwe. The reason donkeys in Mongolia, core strong. In our mind, we think of librarians is the quintessential Marian the librarian somebody who puts the books back on the shelves dust and make sure that everything's tidy. Librarians are determined bunch. They're far more subversive than that. Be right back. The kitchen sisters present is sponsored by quip the electric toothbrush. That's a fraction of the cost of bulkier brushes while still packing just the right amount of vibration to help clean your teeth. Quip has a great subscription plan. It delivers new brush heads on a dentist recommended schedule every three months for just five dollars, including free shipping worldwide. I like this toothbrush. It's small, sleek and doesn't clutter up the bathroom. Withstands in courts. It has a wireless mount that suctions right to your mirror and easily and sticks. So you can use it as a cover for your brush when you travel. Quips starts at just twenty five dollars. And if you go to get quip dot com slash kitchen sisters right now, you'll get your first refill pack free with a quick electric toothbrush. That's your first refill pack free at get quip dot com. Slash kitchen sisters g. e. t. q. IP dot com. Slash kitchen sisters when we began work on the pack horse librarian story. One of the first people we spoke to. Was Doug Boyd director of the Louie b Nunn center for oral history at the university of Kentucky libraries. Doug is a keeper, an oral historian, a folklorist techie at teller. Here's one of our favorite stories from Doug. Every story matters. The challenge is getting that story to historical record. Simply putting in the archive maybe is not enough. I know lots of oral history out there that's just been sitting on a shelf for twenty twenty-five years. But name is Doug Boyd. I direct the Louis beyond center for oral history in the university of Kentucky libraries. I'm also the current president of the oral history association. We've got close to eleven thousand interviews now on the none center collections. Some of our key projects are interviewing student veterans have come back from Iraq and Afghanistan and project called city stories, training people to do the oral history and document their small towns throughout the state. So we're constantly interviewing. But when I came in two thousand eight, I was really frustrated or history has a problem on the archival side with discovery and usability. Nobody was really listening to oral history from the archive. I have an emphasis on technology, so I created a system called OEMs time coded keys in a transcript. So when you search on a word, it takes you to the moment in the. Audio and then it hit me. We need to find something more efficient than transcription. So we added the indexing feature to OEMs. You can tag moment with a title description of what's being said. Keywords. Hyper links to photographs GPS coordinates for about one tenth of the cost of a transcript will we went from five hundred interviews a year of being used to tend to twelve thousand pages a month. The indexing feature really transformed the way we do things. Give time for story in two thousand fourteen. We got a request from Italy. The request are running his first novel, and he was setting the novels during were to in this small town on the coast called Swahli. And he found an interview that we had with Marsha Webb who had fought in the battle trimmings volley is nineteen forty four. So he said, we'll get this ready. There was no restrictions. I said, we might have somebody else who may have fought in that battle. Do you want us to take a look? He says, now I said, that's weird. Most researchers want everything. I'm just really curious. Why are you so interested in worship web? He sends us a photograph Marsha web, carved his name MA web seal, Kentucky, March thirty, nine nineteen forty four in an alleyway during the battle of German Swahli. Wait a minute. We can triangulate people from a wall in small town, Italy, the carving that was created in nineteen forty, four. To this four hour interview with Marshall web, which one is this now we was in a small bird. I would say at this town was populated like MTV and time you wouldn't have been over two, three hundred people, no more than and the name of it was trimmed soli. That kind of magic would have taken a miracle to have made that connection in an analog world. The reason we knew he talked about Trump in Swahli. The only reason we knew it was in the description. He broke frame from the interview and started to recite a poem. He had written about the battle of trimmings volley reached our main objective, but just at the break of day death inhaled cook our company all around me, my but Italy as I melt down by my buddy. He knew it was town. Thank God. We want victory. We hope the gut, the flat. You can talk of all your battles and history. Will fail. But the one at trim soley was sure of buddy HALE most of your where where to veterans don't do that in mid interview. We connected with the family. The widow was still alive. The children were still alive, went down and interviewed them get written over eighty poems during the war he on while he was in no or yes, whatever is happening touring. That's what he wrote. Even all the years. We were married. She never quit riding his wrote poetry. We should let you ought to put him in the archive ES sweet deal. We digitize all of his poems. Some of them are just about the food. They're about losing friends, longing for home trimmed, swallow was probably ten percent of the interview Colonel Arthur, l Kelly, the interviewing traduces him as part of the first group that went into deco concentration camp after liberation. The majority of the interview was about that experience. What do you see when you get up closer? We thought that there was a bunch of people here, maybe wounded or laugh people and that we were going to liberate them. But. What this picture you have on here of these of these bodies that are skin in moans. How'd you get the pictures? They guy or African development. And later in the interview, I'm not saying Marshall, can't remember the name of the actual concentration camp. He just can't connect to the name Colonel Kelly's doing everything. He can like a good interviewer would. Well, let me ask you this. How did you get to did you walk upon it? Walked and rode and you're moving up road likley splint on. Can you tell me where you say the night before? Did you see any signs when you marched in described the camp? To me, I can't can come out. I can't. And he can't get Marshall to connect, and he never does throughout the course of the interview. Connected to the family. Marshall son brought all the photographs. He said he got us all whipped up with nostalgia. We got journals out and you gotta see this Marshall kept a journal that was kind of like your smartphone. You know, it wasn't like I feel sad today, type of diarrhea. It was like, ran into Bill, got a call him back phone number. He pulls out this journey starts flipping through the pages. One of Marshall's daughters passed away, very young of cancer nineteen Ninety-two. She was in her thirties. He turns to the page that coincided with that and it says, Eva passed away today, funeral arrangements, you turn the page and it says the name of the prison camp stack out. So it was like six years after this interview, which is just like mind blowing the name of the prison camp. What's Dak out. You can experience this whole thing just because this guy did a Google search on MA web. This is why who who I just love dearly the whole family. I've just come really to love. I asked her, did he ever mention that he carved his name in the wall? You never mentioned Betty, carved his name on everything. If you could go through the pikes ridge woods out there, we grew up his, his initials are on everything. My son climbed a tree once when they were deer hunting and found his dance, initials and date way up on the tree. So, yeah, he's doing what he always did. We did a story on YouTube. It got picked up the newspaper, and people started going over doing rubbings of his signature, send me pictures the town, put up a plaque on the wall. They have the picture of him. They have a scan of the battle of terminus volley poem, and at the bottom they've got a link. And if you have a really good international data plan, you can sit there in this alleyway and listen to the man's voice Marshall web at the moment that he talks about coming to Trump and slowly criminal soli. That's where we were at dougy rubbing two, three months. At that time, I was a scout that fifth army and the Eighth Army, the English stretched all the way crawl. It'll be okay. This was wrote tenth of making somewhere. Anything. We waited for order. We have a link to Marshall webs. YouTube story at kitchen sisters, dot org. As part of our keeper series. We have this keeper of the day project. We asked writer Elisa McGraw about the keepers in her life. When I first heard about that idea, I thought of my uncle Bill who compulsively does dairy histories here in Montgomery County, Maryland, like he's not a librarian. He's not a archivist. He's not trained, but they're from dairy family. And there's this big dairy barn sitting in the middle of a soccer plex out in boyds, Maryland and my mother-in-law and alkyl Bill saved this and turned it into a dairy museum which they call the move him. Hi Bill. This is Nikki Silva of the kitchen sisters. Talk of the bar here the, how's it going up at the barn. Good story raining yet. Cintel me Bill. How did you get into this whole thing? Around nineteen ninety nine Hendrix the CEO of Discovery Channel offered Montgomery County a million dollars to take a piece of ground and build a bunch of soccer fields on it, and the sentences of Germantown got together. Their first birdie was saving this farm setting. So the pedaled ensued, they got me involved and they got my sister involved because this has been my grandfather was formed from nineteen thirteen to nineteen sixty two sister Barbara divall McGraw was the key folks men for saving born and proposing that we turn it into museum. The king born during news, damn, Hello move. If you, we feel like we're one of a kind for cataloging their artifacts that they back into the teen hundreds. The turns of cream. Parameters. We have a nineteen hundred one horse milk wagon used in west minister. We are batting all the farmers shipped milk in Montgomery County. We've recorded blogger, thirty seven. So for we have a pool fuss model back tomorrow. Astronaut the famous Maryland volt is mother had phenomenal milk production. Both side records. His offspring are in forty, four thousand four hundred fourteen tells currently those cows our twenty six thousand Hertz in the United States. Ten guys syndicated in nineteen sixty four people thought they were Dutt's because they put up house dollars a piece for a six month. Old book af each made a million three hundred fifty eight thousand dollars pretty famous bull. When you were coming up in throughout your life, did you ever imagine that you would become the keeper of this story in Maryland. Not at all. What made you feel it was important to do this kind of on you and it is fun and also made some really nice people you not do these dairy history. I get with these families and boy, they go back and pull out some really interesting pictures. You see how things changed on the form with reduced labor during World War Two, we used a lot of German war prisoners were all kept over Denver grove in a camp. Two hundred of them were there. You know, my father newspaper still had receipts where he went down him in the morning yet pay the farm bureau, forty two and a half cents an hour for their work, and then that money was transferred to the war department. Do you think of yourself as a keeper. Thank of dairy museum as keeper for the personally feel like I'm the keeper. This was a major dairy county up until the seventies and eighties when all development starting worst Bramley right now just like the historians are scrambling to to oral histories with World War Two veterans that are disappearing are all farmers would just during by the day. So we're recording that history will Bill. Thank you for being you keep her. Yes, indeed. Thank you very much. We'd love to hear from you co- the keepers hotline with your tips and suggestions of keepers who need to be chronicled for one five, four, nine six, nine four, nine. That's four one, five, four, nine, six, nine, four, nine or visit us at kitchen sisters, dot org, and tell us what you think. The Packers, librarians of eastern Kentucky was produced by the kitchen sisters with Nathan, Dalton and brandy Howell mixed by Jim Mckee. Thanks to our production, intern selene Ross for her work on the Doug Boyd story special. Thanks to Eleanor Roosevelt, Ruth Schuler deeter. 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3/13: Are Tennessee and Nebraska Sleeping Giants?

The Audible with Feldman And Mandel

49:36 min | 1 year ago

3/13: Are Tennessee and Nebraska Sleeping Giants?

"Coming up on today's episode Brunei dive deep into operation varsity blues and talk about David Beattie's lawsuit against Kansas and answer all of your Email questions. That's next on the audible. Welcome to the audible, presented by trader Joe's. I'm Stewart Mandel joined as always by Bruce Feldman. I have a question. Bruce. Did you get into Miami on your own merits? Or did somebody pay bribe Stu, I don't know anybody who can do that this story. I know we're going to talk about time of referring to as now and Becky eight because it involves Laurie Lachlan. I think that the Laurie Lachlan Lachlan, Felicity Huffman angle of this got it. I think a lot of attention. But when I first started looking at this. I'm like, you know, this is not this is not a surprise at all to me that something like this happens. Now the layers of it are really kind of fascinating. But I think the aspect of rich people. I mean, we see this all a lot of times with famous politicians and big business people, basically buying their kids way into educations and degrees that they probably would never have been able to get if it was based on their own. Democ merits. I think that this really touches on so many themes that are already, you know, there's already a lot of backlash in this country. People are gonna be running for president or putting this central to their platform about inequality and privilege of the wealthy. And this just really hits all of it. Yeah. So you said it didn't surprise. It doesn't surprise me that, you know, wealthy people. It'd be trying to game the system to get their kids into college would I think really because you mentioned the Hollywood part of it. When this story broke pretty early on the west coast. The and I wish I could give credit, but I don't remember who the reporter was that. Did it first? But his first tweet was, you know, massive indictments coming today and division one coaches are involved. So that's what got art tension like, whoa. And you're thinking that could be football coaches or basketball coaches, and then the next one was like in two of the people arrested or Laurie Lachlan, and Felicity Huffman, and you're going how on earth. Could those be connected. Well, you know, I guess the. The thing. I would not have guessed a realized is that there would be this pretty involved scheme in which and these are in many cases, very prominent head coaches of Olympic sport teams at major universities. The water polo coaches USC who got arrested and fired on Tuesday sixteen national championships in the in the idea that and by the way, there's probably just the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure they didn't catch everybody. That's done this that it was almost like a side income for a lot of these coaches, like who by the way, you're not making Nick saving money or even MAC football head coach money, you make a little extra money by helping some Hollywood actors daughter get into college and really just in the most corrupt way possible. I mean, it's not clear the fizz was the case in every situation. But certainly in some, you know, they're basically allocating a scholarship from know off of their own teams scholarship count to get some kid who doesn't even play the sport into college. So I think that's the partly star world that really that really shouldn't shockwaves. There's a IMG academy who sends tons of kids to college play college football and basketball their own one of their own employees was taking taking tests for kids. It's while there wasn't a lot of direct college football mentioned in there. It's certainly reverberates in our world house cynical. And then maybe I the answer this because I can feel it myself you, and I've talked about this quite a bit when it comes to quote scandals, and you look and go all right. Well, because of the Jerry Sandusky stuff would Penn State. It has recalibrated how we think of things you just kinda shrug your shoulders at some of this of of kids getting extra benefits and extra meals or or what not when it comes to this? It is a bad look, and there's obviously, you know, millions of dollars. We're talking about in brought five, but I think in knowing the landscape of how our country works in that expression. Because this came about conversations with people in the last day. They are still where it's like this is just another reminder. It's not what you know. It's who you know. And I think you look at every aspect of our society, not never mind Hollywood, you look at just how our country works. This is nothing surprising about that. That's why we're gonna go. You know, what everywhere you every? We overturn there's crap to us. I think it's a enormous candidates as I wrote on Tuesday, you know, a lot of people have kind of rolled their eyes or been apathetic toward the college basketball FBI scandal. Even though they've already been people who are sentenced to prison over it. Because in the day, if you're somebody who thinks the NCAA rules are stupid and the player should be getting paid. Anyway, then it's hard to be outraged that is being classified as bribery, you know, the shoe executive or the runner that they're going to jail for putting giving an athlete's family money. I get that. But this is not specific athletics. And this is there's a difference. Like, for instance, people said, well, rich people have always been able to get their kids into donating a building. Okay. Well, that's legal. This is not. Fraud, that's legal, but it's still comes at the expense of other kids who are probably more deserving. Yes. True. But you know, I think that another words there is some gray area in the basketball scandal. If people want to say, well, I don't think what's going on. Here was actually should we actually make considered on ethical? I would say the way I look at it is I don't think that I don't I don't fault the the families who are getting money in that situation. But I do fault that we'll Wade is a multi million dollar coach who knows better, you know, if he's caught cheating, whether you agree with the rules or not he gets cheating. He should be held accountable, but there's no gray area in this. Everybody who was involved the senior associate at USC who is literally creating fake profiles of athletes, and then taking them into the the athlete. You know, admission subcommittee and getting them enrolled. And then after they get in after they get accepted. Oh, they came down with a mystery injury. And they're not gonna play anymore like that's fraud of the highest degree, and well, let's talk. So let's talk about firm. Yeah. It's it's Donna. Hi, no. And she's really s level athletics person who is instead in this at this point. And here's what her role is or was like pretty much all the transfer of recruits that USC is going to try to get in the she's the one who goes in front of the board. And makes the case. Now what I think is interesting subplot to this. Maybe some plot is to to load it a word, but USC I think it mitt about three thousand freshman a year, obviously, not just student athletes. That's everybody, and they they get I don't know fifty thousand students ply from everything I've heard it's like a lot of cases, it helps to know people there to get into that. That it's almost a lottery at that point. Right. And so the level of influence in the bribes here. I mean, I think there's two layers to this is one of the things I know you wrote about in a lot of people written about, and quite honestly, it's something that we had Ryan Abraham go. See football dot com on this podcast about a month ago. And I talked to somebody who knows that USC works in the word. They described is it's basically a Chituwo in the a that place now operates and has been operating for a while. And you certainly, you know, whereas Lynn Swann, whereas the accountability. So I think this there's so many layers to this is before the USC layer is certainly one that is going to be out front, and then there's the the really the big picture of this scandal as it is as much as its athletes, but I feel like it's it's just another lesson into the it's not what you know. It's who you know. And unfortunately, this is fair unfairness. Not fair. But this is a slice of how the country seems to work in a lot of cases. So the guy who is the ringleader of the whole thing who pleaded guilty on Tuesday. And I guess is trying to get a reduced sentence. He turned started working for the prosecutor's at some point, you know, described it very simply he said, there's a front door, which is legitimate apply to college get accepted or not and there's a back door, which is your family donate a lot of money, and hopefully that wields influence I created a side door, which it was so appealing because it was a guarantee like they're not going to be any question here, you're going to. I know the I am basically he he knows what numbers it's gonna take SAT gray point wise to get past the admissions committee, and we'll just make it happen. And then we'll fake a picture of your kid playing water polo or was there's so many great nuggets in that. And I haven't even really read the whole thing. There's so many great nuggets that people have highlighted. Like the kid who they took a picture of him supposedly playing water polo. And he's like nobody can get that high up in the air playing water polo. What will you do and what's wrong with that picture? Oh, he was standing in the pool just the absurdity of all this. So you're right. It's in many ways lottery at some of these upper level schools. I found it fascinating the amount of money involved in some like, clearly they priced the prices seem to vary based on the prestige level of the school. Like, the the one who tried to get into the gut their into Yale that was one point two million dollar bribe, and then some others, it was, you know, one hundred thousand or fifty thousand I mentioned earlier, the G academy tie-in to me, this is pretty significant in the recruiting world, this guy, Mark Redel, basically, he his role at the at I g was he was the person who was, you know, the basically like the guides counselor or college admission so all of these recruits that would come through and would apply to colleges he's the one of facilitated that. Well, also. So he was going to Houston and taking tests. He's thirty six years old, and he's gonna Houston taking tests for these clients that were the parents who were paying the money in some cases, you would change the answers afterwards. They they had a guy in Houston who was complicit in this. I got to think that raises some attention with compliance people. Maybe with the NCAA clearinghouse that will fuse doing this for other kids how we only wasn't doing this for I am zone recruits. Are these are these are valid questions to ask would you feel a little differently about this? If let's say you have in the case of Lord Lachlan's husband is a famous designer. I don't know how much money's worth. But he's worth eight ton, right? And thinking about this. And you think about like, okay, people, I've generational wealth. A lot of these kids probably would never have to work real jobs as adults. Right. I mean, if you if you can if some of the parents can afford to do some of this if you'd say, okay, you know, what? USC, you know, we're just going to give you straight up. You know, one point two million dollars are stewed. Our child is going to go there. But we're not it's not going to be a cost of another student. Meaning if you're going to take a three thousand freshman, you take three thousand fifty and he's other fifty students are going to be enrolled. It's not to say that they're gonna take fake classes. But if they can, you know, this is they're going to pay for their admissions. But it's not coming at the enrollment cap of fifty other students who don't have that kind of influence or that kind of financial resources. You look at it differently. Now, it's a very tangible issue, right? You you only have a certain number of classrooms, and you only have a certain number dorm rooms, and I know it's a little bit like the handle it a look at. They do it in some ways they have to handle it a little bit like an airline like an airplane gets overbooked. They accept a certain number of kids. And then they're basically waiting to see. What percentage of them except I have seen situations where I've definitely read about situations over the years worth school where more people accepted than they were expecting. And they didn't have enough dorm rooms, you know, so they tend to manage that pretty conservatively. But here's the thing though. If you're one of these students, you have this kind of money you can afford to live wherever you want. So you're saying they should just go ahead and just be upfront about it and create like a parallel except a mission system. Let them go the other people's. You know, like eighteen year old Rodney Dangerfield in the school that you know, like again, I'm so there's going to be a grownup who's going to write into our podcast and go. No, this is why you can't do that. I'm just saying the dorm the dorm reason there's that kind of money they don't need to live in a dorm. I again, I feel like the part that bothered me about this. This story is that came at the expense of some other students who don't have those means and let the don't don't have it come at the expense of those students be as this went on. If the school wants that much money. Let them negotiate that kind of deal and Sarah. You're not gonna be you're not part of this enrollment process, but you can still be a quote unquote student here now where we're going to give you free grades. I mean, you're already talking about a level. That's seems like it was a scam. So let's I don't know does that devalues the the education. I mean, it already seems like. Some of these students would devalue the education whether they're on the up and up or not, I don't know. And we haven't even touched the fact that and I thought this was the part that would probably take off the most. But I'm not seeing that yet just there was a reason they steered these kids to the F lettuce. Right. It's just a known fact that it's easier to get in. If you're an athlete than if you're not that these schools, lower their standards for athletes, and like, we've always known that it's one of the secrets, but this kind of I mean, it's kind of I think people are surprised that it's not scholarship athletes, though, it's unclear if whether they are not right. But I'm saying if you're using that, so here's a. Kind of a real time analogy. So there was I did that offense of wine story for the athletes. I don't know two months ago and one of the players in. There was initially committed Yale and he ended up signing with Duke and a lot of big schools big football schools got in on him late. He was a late bloomer, and I had reached out to somebody USC in and said, how did you guys kind of hear about this kid who's originally from Ohio and was told well once they saw he was committed the Yale. They look at Ivy league commits because they see them as potential walk ons and poss and a lot of times, I think they see walk ons. Certainly will if they're Ivy league kids will have the academics to get in or at least close to get in. But also, they would in a lot of cases probably the two four income to USC as walk ons, which it's a private school, and it's harder to get some of those kids than it is for a state school. So I think there's there's some. Players in there that kind of explain some of that process. But I think the fact that let's say you're a a student, and you were a decent student, but not good enough to get into to USC, but do you preferential treatment because they because they've you as recruit -able athlete, even on scholarship. That's what changes that day. I think the reason this this story touches such a nerve is that it if x so many people millions of millions of people in this country have gone through. I went through anybody's going to college has gone through this very, you know, you're seventeen years old, and you feel like your whole future depends on getting into a certain college as socio you you take the SAT gotta get a certain score. It's extremely stressful and this confirms everybody's worst suspicion that basically the system is rigged. The no matter how great your essay is not how many national Honor Society or how many volunteer work you've done at cetera et cetera. That you might still not get accepted and some kid who. Who who's parent bribed, the the rowing coach does, you know, whereas a scandal like the college basketball one at the end of the day. It's a very very small part of population. This had a, you know, a son or daughter recruited to be a high level athlete, but lots and lots of people have been gone through the college admissions process, and this just lays bare it's extremely corrupt. And and like I said before I don't think it's just the people that they caught these the people happen to be on. You know, got caught on a on a wiretap chances. Are this goes on a lot more places that it's probably other non revenue coaches have done much the same thing. So I assume there's going to be investigations congressional investigations. You know, I would think the NCAA is going to have to go back and start looking at, you know, amongst their current athletes probably start going back and looking at at test scores and applicastions from people who either play went through this. I don't know that they think might have a connection to especially the IMG part. So I don't think the story. Is going away anytime soon. Though, I do think maybe the full house jokes will pass the on Becky jokes will pass at some point. Right. What we've talked about this. Plenty what else is on your mind this week. Well, very newsy day the day that this broke there were like three or four other big stories in our world. David Beatty who Kansas fired in November of last season is suing Kansas for three million dollars, which he says he is open by out money anytime a coach is fired for just not winning enough games consider being fired without cause. And so whatever it says in the contract that you owe him you owe him, but apparently they haven't been paying him the three million dollars as these things often happen. The story comes out I from the plaintiff side. And the law firm was sure to highlight a quote, and we're still out your where it came from that they were quote, looking looking for skeletons in the closet, at least he was a dead Hooker and his closet was the quote, but they can get out of paying it. They can fire them with. 'cause then Kansas puts out their statements saying, well, actually, we found out during the course of exit interviews with his. Staff that there may have been some NCA violations and were investigating it. And as long as that's going on, you know, the money's been set aside in escrow, we're not paying two sides of the story any early hunch who you believe, you know, I'm gonna lean towards David Beatty on this one because they didn't fire him with. 'cause initially. They said something came up with what becomes a fireable offense. Clearly, there's a lot of money Kansas trying to save here. And they're trying you know, they're going to try to find a reason. Now after the fact, but if they find a reason is just is just any violation that they would deem. Oh, that's enough for us to get our three million dollars and not have to pay them, by the way. Keep in mind Kansas is could be a really precarious situation with the basketball scandal as that is playing out. Right. So there's there's a lot of things going on here. But I don't know. I mean there better be. Significant violation a major infraction. If Kansas is going to try to justify this after the fact, and all I think the fact that they put out that this investigation part of it. I mean, it makes it harder for David Beatty to get a an assistant coach job someplace else if he's in limbo for this. And also if there's the potential for some kind of violation that was so significant that that's why he was fired. I don't know. It's it's probably not the book for Jeff long, the K U AD right now. Well, unless you like, you said turns out there was some really legit violation under his watch that you know, if you haven't been losing they would've fired him for 'cause anyway, it really looks petty. And it's interesting the perception of Jeff long, who, you know, the originals chairman of the selection football selection committee was held in very high esteem for that with actually before that I think where he really got on the math nationally was when he fire, Bobby. Between. Oh, because it was seen as at Arkansas was seen as one of those moments where the guy, you know, he was winning a lot of games. He was bringing success to Arkansas that they haven't seen a long time. And there are many situations where the AD would have found a reason to keep him. Even though there was pretty agree GIS ethical violation basically that he had but Jeff long fired him. I remember when Bret bielema got hired. He he cited that press conferences like having watched that press conference. I had somebody I might want to work for so help them very high esteem, then he gets fired from Arkansas boosters, basically run them out. He resurfaces a Kansas. He hires less miles in a higher that obviously I've been very down on. But I'm not alone. You know, I think a lot of people in profession or like what was he thinking? And now this it's not a good. Look, we'll have to see I mean, I don't want to jump the gun too far. We'll have to see what what comes of it in this in this legal battle choosy one that nobody wins though. Because I think it's the kind of thing where you said, we'll see legitimate. There is if there's a violation there. It's wouldn't be surprising. It's the question of how significant is the actual violation. There's plenty is secondary violations, or what used to be known as secondary violations that go on the question is would you would you justify firing a head coach and not paying them for that to me. That's something that's going to be interesting to see what else has caught your attention this week. Well, Kylo Murray had his pro day as we're taping. This earlier this morning as expected he looked good because usually quarterbacks do look it and their pro day, and what's what's scripted and everything like that. Again. I think you, and I've talked about this before I think collar Murray is going to be a big big storyline tilt then. But at this point right now, I gotta admit it feels like the NFL has done a really good job with its free agency, and certainly trades play into that being a constant storyline. And it feels like that as much as anything else has kind of lived on one thing before we get to the mail bag. One thing I do want to point out was I got an interesting. A series of Texas morning from a football coach, I know who took issue with both of us for our our top twenty five coaches list from last week, and I'm gonna read to some of the stuff. And this person said I was yelling at both you and Stu in the in the car this morning as I listened to that. And you know, what he was most irritated about Kirk fans Kirk Barron's, but especially Paul Chryst when. Doc. I do what's that really irked about your Kirk firms was the first one, and then Paul Chris what else does he have to do to for you guys? And so I said, well, would you have taken off and his answer was I would not get out Dino babies in Jeff Brahm, I think you have to win consistently with the big boys. He also took real issue with you not having Jim Harbaugh any wear on your list. He he goes if I'm Ryan he would have Jim Harbaugh in his tough. This is a big ten coach, and I felt lie every single coach. He's upset about is in the big ten. That is fair. This is a person who has spent time in in several places, but the big ten is one of them. Well, I will say that our mailbag session. This week is going to start with people who took issue with the list. And that's that's to be expected. You know, you rank twenty five people people have opinions some people are going to. I can't imagine as many people who read a call like that and go. Yep. I agree with all twenty five. So let's dig into the mailbox as always you can send your emails to the audible pod at Gino dot com. Regular listener reader, Jerry Swieter says guys your discussion touched on several of the significant differences between your two rankings, but ignored Dan Mullen, who I have at thirteen you have at twenty four Mike Gundy difference of eighteen and twenty three and Kyle Wittingham difference of twenty three and seventeen. Did you do any pre podcast planning decide which differences mayor discussion or just wing it when the microphones were turned on first of all, Jerry, you should know. We're always just winging it when the microphone. You think we put any sort of planning into this thing come on? I didn't realize I don't think the there's a huge gap between where you and I got the Wittingham. I didn't look at yours and go because I feel like you expect high winning. I'm quite a bit. I was a little surprised at now seeing the twenty three I didn't really kind of notice it when you when I looked at your at list, but I don't think that's a huge gap. Nor do I I don't think Mike Gundy is gap. Dan Mullen, is is a sizable one I can see that's eleven spots you, and I have talked about that a little bit. I mean to me case for wide. Dan Mullen is not a top fifteen coach compared to some of those other guises he coached almost a decade at at Mississippi State. He was our nine years to top two top twenty finishes had a really good first year at at Florida, though. But if you look at where what he did relative to to Jackie Cheryl at Mississippi State. I don't think it was you know, he didn't blow the doors. He did a really nice job at at a tough place in a tough division. But. Wasn't like, oh, he was he had them in the top fifteen a lot. So that's my issue. You know, you look at what Mike Leach did Mike Leach was I think number ten on my list, and he's wanted really tough places, and he's done more at really tough places. So that's that was kinda my rationale on that. I have a lot of respect for Mullen. I think he his teams. Yeah, they weren't playing for national championships. But they often overachieved Mississippi State Mississippi State produced Dak Prescott, you know. Dan Mullen has has a long history now of this, and then he comes into fly wouldn't have had them quite as high last year. But then he does go to a blueblood program. Immediately, improves them from four wins ten wins and Felipe a Franks who seemed kind of hopeless the year before suddenly is a decent quarterback. So I think it's one of those things, and I know that I tend to maybe overemphasize the overachievers, but it's just one of those things where I feel like his bit easier to see when somebody's doing a good coaching job. At an under the radar school like that necessarily then than some other places, by the way, I just looked this up Dan Mullins winning percentage. Mississippi State with six hundred twenty guess what? Jackie cheryl's was I don't know five hundred the laugh to have a six hundred record of Mississippi State, believe it or not. And I frankly, either didn't know or forgotten that this person coach it is state was der Royal nineteen fifty four to fifty it was only two seasons. But he posts win. It would you remember me winning seasons in SCC play. Dan Mullen had in nine years. I think one one. Yeah. So when a gang are the this based on like, if that were the case at you know, LSU say, the guy was a terrible coach, you base it based on relative to the historical level that programs usually at in the last coaches before demo one were three fifty six five hundred three eighty two four sixty eight Emory Velarde, the inventor of the wishbone. Couldn't crack five hundred and Mississippi State nor could Bob Tyler at three twenty eight Charles Shira at two seventy. So let me just count this up real quick before. Dan Mullen, the last nine coaches had not gone above five hundred by the way, where did you have James Franklin on your list again fifteenth you had so wait a minute. You're giving me all this stuff about how great a job. Dan Mullen did at Mississippi State and yet you have James Franklin beneath him short. Don't you go rat rattle off what coaches have done at Vanderbilt and compared to what James Franklin did? And then explain how you have James Franklin fifteen and demo in thirteen o k world's biggest James Franklin fan. There's actually on that later. I want to get to explain it though. Well, this person I'm going to read the question of things we both have them too high. Why do I have mowing ahead of James Franklin? I think that Franklin at was I think I had him higher last year. This was a bit of a whole home season this past season. So maybe I dropped it finished seventeenth. They lost saquon Barkley. I mean, it wasn't a great year. But it's not like they were like five and seven one criticism of my list, and you made it that's probably ballot. Is that despite my own warning in the leisure, much recency biased reasons you buy us on one season in particular in this last season. Yeah. Probably have Franklin ahead of Mullen. It's not like it was a big difference. But yes, probably should have him above. Now. Let's I'm just saying if you're if you're using the logic of will look at all the other coaches there. I mean the gap between James Franklin, and this is gonna I'm gonna use. So the question referred to as Donnie green. What if I told you there was coach in the top fifteen on? Both your lists. Who in the last five seasons was five and twelve verse ranked teams three and twelve in the biggest conference rivals one game over five hundred on the road, Hooley ballgames. Two and three bowl games James Franklin that doesn't seem top fifteen to make. Yes, he won a conference title at Penn State. Don't take that away from him. But I still see a coach who had surprising maybe misleading numbers at Vanderbilt and a generational Allen in saquon Barkley, the numbers, in my opinion, aren't great. And as Bruce mentioned many consider him a poor game. Coach please tell me what I missing. Okay, donny. I'm going to tell you what your miss first of all the generational talent. You're talking saquon Barkley. He was going to Rutgers till till James Franklin got to Penn State. So you gotta give him credit for that saquon Barkley didn't just show up. Second of all. I don't wanna hear about the numbers or misleading at Vanderbilt because they were awful before he got there there were God awful right before he got there. So it's not like he took in some like, you know, coach oh was there recruiting his butt off. And then all of a sudden he inherited those players they are able before that. And by the way after he left they haven't had a winning season since after. So he will left. So there's that. So if you want to say, oh, he was a really good recruiter. You know, he's recruited better by any kind of measure than Bill O'Brien. Did it's just like he he won was somebody else's players. And then all right. So now he's gotten at Penn State, not only one a conference eat, by the way, pretty loaded division that he's that. He won right urban Meyer Jim Harbaugh in Mark dantonio in that division. Those are some heavyweight dudes, and they were all, you know, pretty much at the peak of where they're at. And he won the big ten. So I'm sorry. I you know, you can tell me about it. We wanna do like what he is against ranked team and whatnot in some of this number than I should put coach oh in the top twenty five, you know, this is you can nitpick the numbers a little bit. But I mean, I'm an argue this one for till the cow, I'm home. I mean, the Vanderbilt thing is a real thing. And then you go to what he's done at Penn State and. If he finishing seventeenth was this past year was a big blemish. I think Penn State fans should should be okay. With that. I can't explain it. But even back when he was even when he was still at Vanderbilt there was this this he didn't win the big game. We'll all this like China discredit it because it was coming because the nine win seasons were coming against, you know, the lesser opponents on the schedule while game we just played comparing previous winning percentages. This gets really fun. Okay. James Franklin had a six fifteen overall winning percentage. I won't even focus on that four fifty eight eleven and thirteen in the SEC. Okay. Sure. Somebody's gonna look at that. And go it was he didn't even get the five hundred and he's playing Kentucky and Tennessee when they were bad. Okay. Well, let's see how his predecessors didn't the Robbie Caldwell one twenty-five. Bobby Johnson, one eighty eight people have a lot of respect for Bobby Johnson. And he went twelve and fifty two in the SEC there. And then before that. One hundred poor rod Doukoure went point zero six three are frontier. Denardo point two nine. Oh, Watson Brown. One Twenty-one, George. You gotta go back to to find someone who went four fifty eight in the SEC you have to go back to Ray Morrison who went five forty four from nineteen thirty five to nineteen thirty nine. All right. End of end of debate debate over. Yeah. And the just the one other is misleading thing that, you know, you're under story about Vanderbilt. Some of the criticism was beat anybody. Good. Well, then he got to got to Penn State, and they beat Ohio State. You know? And so it's like and then go with a one on a blocked kick. Sorry that matters. So yeah this question is from Kevin Denson, gentlemen. While appreciate the great work. You to do as ambassador in college football. The results of your coaching ranking had me scratching my head. I think that you are attempting to judge coaches in the abstract. Of their coaching ability. However, it appears to be a slant towards coaches of programs with lesser talent. For example, you ranked coaches such as Chris Peterson David Shaw, and Gary Patterson highly for their ability to maximize the potential of their players in compete against the more talented teams. However, it is very unlikely that the respective programs will be talented enough to ever win a national title. The component that you seem to underrate is the ability to recruit, JIMBO Fisher coached FSU to a championship and is in the process of making Texas A and M perennial contender yet. He's ranked behind Chris Peterson whose most notable accomplishment is winning the Pac twelve title similar comparisons could be made with James Franklin against David Shaw. Thanks, Kevin Denson's, Stu, what do you think? Well, I along I guess the Kevin is an am fan because I love how he's been there JIMBO has been there one year. And they're already talking about is if it's a done deal he's making a perennial contender. I don't necessarily deny that. Probably give more credit to guys who maximize the potential their players win. Lot of games with two and three stars. Because that is a very clear example of this was your coaching ability. Whereas, you know, how do you judge a guy like JIMBO Fisher who, you know? He wanted national championship. That's the single most important thing that coach can do he recruited? There's no question here. Recruited, great classes at Florida state. But again, this was at Florida state. It's a lot different deals trying to like are you really going to knock David Shaw that he doesn't sign top five recruiting glasses at Stanford Florida state was recruiting those kind of classes long before JIMBO got there. And we'll continue to long after JIMBO leaves because there's so much talent in the state of Florida and no fence Florida state, but probably a little easier. Get in there, then to Stanford Chris Peterson did this not just at Washington, but Boise state. So I think you have to take that into account where their coaching, and then the only only thing I'd say JIMBO not turning this into a JIMBO not JIMBO session because I do have them in the top. Ten as to you. But why do people just gloss over what happened at the end of Florida state? We had a friend of ours. Ralph Rousseau from the AP texting us about all the things. He disagreed with. And he too thought JIMBO should be higher. And it's like, well, wait a minute. Yeah. I won the national championship had a great run their Jamie's. But now like that program has a dumpster fire, and he left it that way. And I don't think we had like where did JIMBO five where did you have him seven. Yeah. So I don't know. That's pretty good. Yeah. I looked at Kevin's Kevin's common. I I really again, he mentioned, JIMBO. So we'll see. I mean, this is his only this is the second place coach he had a nice first year. We'll see how it turns out. I mean, the three guys he mentioned I mean to me what Gary Patterson's done there. And I think you have to use it some as a measuring stick of what the place was like before he was there. And what the arc of it is like I mean like you said you go nine and four at Mississippi State. They're going to want to build a statue for you every year, you go nine and four LSU or Oklahoma. They're going to want to run you out of there. So I do think there's gotta be an uncertain places or more resource than others. You know, it's just different. They're certainly you're a modern fits that. With Pat FitzGerald violate Gary Patterson might not have a national championship. But he did take. What was then a mountain west program to an undefeated season in a Rose Bowl win over a top five Wisconsin team like pretty good? Yes. All right moving away from coaching rankings to John or from Houston, Texas. A question about the Missouri bowl van since the CFP is not under the NCAA. Why does the NCAA postseason ban having affect Mizzou getting chosen for the CFP while unlikely if Missoula undefeated next year couldn't the committee choose them as one of the top four teams anyway or the affiliated bowl games bound by the NCAA that is a great question. Yes. The bowl games in particular, the ones in the semi-final, which this year will be the festival and the peach bowl are while they're not run by the NCAA. They are NCA certified events. So if you're banned from the postseason, you would be banned from those bowl games. What I don't know. Bruce because it hasn't come up yet is you know, his Mizzou ineligible from the committee's rankings. If Mizzou is eight and one the week that they do the first rankings or they just not gonna show up in that. I actually don't do all. Wouldn't wouldn't they be as you still have to use them as a metric for other opponents, and certainly SEC teams. Right. Well, the AP does include teams like, for instance, Ohio State in urban reminders for AP doesn't matter in this case, right? I'm just saying for comparison safety AP. Does it the coaches poll does not include those teams? But you're right. If you're going to sit there and say why it's relevant charges three and one against the top twenty five, you know, then you can't not have in Missouri is supposed to be one of them. Then you can't have them in there. That's a great. So I think you're right. I think they have to rank them. Boy that would be really awkward if the first time Mizzou actually has a playoff contender that you're just like all right? Well, there you get on that conference. Call him though. Well, we ranked them seventh. But just just just skip past them. It's a great question to ask somebody that. Okay. Our next one comes from Robbie cook. And it's a little bit involved with follow follow along vers hasty question for quite a while. Why isn't it Brask oh, widely considered to be a sleeping giant only national or at least consistent top fifteen scale? But the usual Pinon about Tennessee is quote, just be happy. If you go eight and four regular because you're never going on the level of Auburn, Florida LSU the nineties over despite both programs having relatively little success since the nineties Tennessee, having better facilities. I don't know if they do or not larger stadium that they do more desirable to city to live in with nicer weather. Max Olsen may disagree. Linking native max Olsen larger fan base. I don't know about that Nebraska's about as rabid and large fan bases. They come significantly higher athletic department budget. That is true. What do you think? Do you consider them both to be sleeping giants or or neither or one and not the other? You know, what I think they're fairly similar? I think one thing that helped Nebraska out profile wise in the last decade is that it went into a much more favorable division or side of the big ten. It's not in the Ohio State, Michigan Penn State, Michigan state side. It's an place where Wisconsin is basically ruled with a little help from from certainly Iowa and Nebraska, profile wise. Why couldn't they do that? I think part of why maybe there's a little more juice behind the Nebraska talk as far as Tennessee. Tennessee was really good under Phil Fulmer Nebraska was great under Tom Osborne. And I think so because they were all just I think they were even a notch above in term a level of success. They had it wasn't just one national title. It was just an amazing run that. So I think there's probably a little bit more of that as on his list. I don't know if I would say know, I've been to Nebraska, and I've been to to to Tennessee. I don't know if I would agree that they have better facilities. I don't know if I buy that the larger stay. Medium. I think both have really unique game day atmospheres really passionate fan bases. So I don't I don't know about that. They weather. Yeah. I'll give you others better. I don't know I in terms of this. And this is this is a nitpicky thing because I'm not sure I look at Nebraska, I see USC or what Texas has been toll Tom Herman got going those smear sleeping Japan's. I think Nebraska and Tennessee both should be consistent top twenty five teams of the head. Coach is doing it. Right. But when I look at Nebraska, I in terms of in your division, there should be nobody who has any better position than you are as at Tennessee. You just don't have quite the level of recruiting base as Florida as Georgia. You're clearly behind those two. And so if there if we're being nitpicky, I would say that's the difference. But I don't know if I would consider either a huge. Difference over the other the sentiment. He's he's picking up on has probably just been the case since Scott frost got there. I mean since Scott frost Scott there. Everybody's really jazzed up about Nebraska. But in general, you know, I think I hear much more frequently while they're never going to get back to the glory days in the nineties. They're not going to win national titles. They or two geographically isolated. And I think Tennessee if all things being equal in terms of the coaches, and I'm not ruling out during me Pruitt. But right now, obviously, Scott frost is a little more proven and just has more hype around him, I actually think Tennessee's in a little better position to get back to contending for national titles. Just because you know. Yeah. The state itself is not a huge recruiting state, but they're driving distance of a lot of places that are whereas Nebraska's kind of out there in the middle of heartland and needs to go into Texas and go into California, whereas Tennessee can go into the southeast. And the other thing I would say is something pretty significant change since the ninety s for nebr-. Aska which is the system that was their whole identity under Tom Osborne is just they're not running it anymore. No know, nobody. But put you know, Paul Johnson, the service academies are so they've had to completely reinvent themselves. I don't know that anything has really tangibly changed for Tennessee other than they've had a really bad run of coaches. I can tell you one thing that has changed for ten ac- since since, you know, the decline at the end of folder, and then the last decade Dabo Sweeney's happened. Yeah. Thinking, and they are a recruiting machine and kids want to go there. And I'm not saying Tennessee is the biggest loser. In the wall of a major powerhouses risen up to a level that really hasn't been in a long long time. But I think that does impact them somewhat because impacts everybody around that area, certainly them. What's interesting, by the way, is I think you hit on a really good point. Why the Scott frost factor is because Scott frost took a program that was. Horrific and I'd wanna game and turned him into one that one went twelve no at UCF, and he's proven. Whereas Jeremy Pruitt is not. So if you have this situation where it would be I think it would be different. If if Jeff Brom had taken the Tennessee job or Michaeli each or somebody who has a more established proven commodity journey Pruitt. We'll see nobody really knows. He just had good recruiting class. But you know, Butch Jones had good recruiting classes. There's just not enough track record for anybody to say complete buy in. What is what is you know, how they're connected the franchise quarterback that I think will eventually lead Nebraska to a western division title in the big ten was committed for a long time to Tennessee Adrian Martinez, and basically ended up going to Nebraska, and I think that was a huge huge shift. And I'm not saying Tennessee can't win games. Does he didn't end up going? There's other quarterbacks and yet. But I think that was a very interesting one eighty there. There is one other thing I should say in terms of how it affected Tennessee much. Like you wrote up. Clemson, you know, I think back to the nineties Florida was every bit too. I mean, they they were Tennessee's foil they were their nemesis. But Georgia would that was not the high point of Georgia football in the ninety s and Tennessee at that time got a lot of their best player from the state of Georgia. Now, you've got curry smart. They're trying to like build a fence around the state that makes it a little bit harder. Now, Jeremy Pruitt they hired him because he's such a great recruiter. And you know, he should all things go, well, he should try to get he should be able to get back. Some of those kids that would have otherwise signed with Georgia or signed with Clemson. But you know, grand scheme of things there's plenty of talent out. There's no reason this this my knee had about if you can go eight and four you should be happy. If you go eight and four regularly. I would think the only people saying that or like their rival fans. There's no reason Tennessee can't be. A ten and two team regularly that rises up and plays for the FCC championship. Just like there's no reason Nebraska can't be that team. Especially coming out of the big ten west. The reality though of that nine in four or eight four thing. I mean, they got tired of Butch Jones after he couldn't get better than he had a couple of nine in fours. He was on the hot seat and then the bottom. So I think the expectations are very real very high there. I mean, look Bo Pollini got fired after a bunch of nine and four kind of years. Now, some of that was a lot of that was I think his temperament and the persona had had to do with it too though. All right. Finally, Bruce remember last week. Somebody a road in asking is it middle Tennessee or middle Tennessee State, and I kind of have jokingly said like maybe there s ideal right in. Well, he didn't but one of the other schools from conference USA did Jordan step. Yes, idea North Texas whose Email whose name shows up in my inbox pretty much every day during football season. Hey stew in Bruce. Hope you're well. Just listened to your lace up. So the won't wants pass Longwood. I know about the appropriate terminology for middle Tennessee, I have attached when he attached document. That's an official document from CompUSA to answer the question. If you're talking about the university it has middle Tennessee State university. If you're referring to the football program, it's middle Tennessee with abbreviations for stat abbreviations. Mt or Mt. Issue is definitely confusing, but we refer to them on schedules in stories on graphics as middle Tennessee, and I've never had my counterparts in Murphy's borough. Ask us to switch that up. So good. We have resolved it middle Tennessee in our world there middle Tennessee in academia, they are middle Tennessee State university. Can we get an answer on Bucharest's? That one we could probably do are you ready for March madness, my friend by the time we come back on this podcast next week brackets will be out March madness and Becky little of enough. It's the most wonderful time of the year. I will admit I've watched less college basketball this year than at any point since I became a sports fan. But I'm still looking forward to the tournament. And I'm not so our audience is not listening to us for college basketball. No, we will not kneel not shower. You would I don't do bracket Taj anymore. I think when I did we would occasionally I would occasionally pop up on here. And then a couple of weeks I'll be hitting the road for spring football. I know you will as well. 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Sen. Marsha Blackburn | China and the New Axis of Evil

The Charlie Kirk Show

32:11 min | 6 months ago

Sen. Marsha Blackburn | China and the New Axis of Evil

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts today. On the Charlie. Kirk show we have an exclusive interview with Senator Marsha Blackburn who has some very compelling takes on our relationship with the Chinese Communist Party and how she has actually irritated them enough where they wanNA meeting and you'll find out whether or not she is saying take it. This is a very important episode for anyone that wants to understand what's going on with China and the Chinese Communist Party especially moving forward post the Chinese corona virus but before we only further type in the Trolley Kirk. Show to your podcast provider right. Now take out your phone Charlie. Kirk show good. That subscribe button. Hit that subscribe button. Scroll Down Five Stars. No cost big impact for the Charlie Kirk show and also emails your questions freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot com freedom at Charlie Kirk Dot Com. Charlie what you've done is incredible here. Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus. We are lucky to have charlie. Charlie kirks running White House folks. I WANNA thank Joe. He's an incredible guy his spirit his love of this country. He's done an amazing job building. One of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. Usa We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why we are. Hey everybody honored to be with you today with the one and the only the incredible Senator Marsha Blackburn from the Great State of Tennessee in the midst of this Chinese Corona virus pandemic. Her leadership has been amazing on the issue of China. And I want to dive into many different questions and complexities of how we're going to get the Chinese Communist Party and China to pay for the damage they have done to our country so first of all. Thank you senator for joining US Today. And please tell us a what you are working on in regards to holding the Chinese Communist Party accountable. Oh jolly I am so happy to be with you and your listeners One of the things that we know is it is going to take all of us working together to finally deal with China and as you're aware I have worked on this issue of China with their intellectual property violations. The way they've stolen our entertainment and written work content the way they have tried to force walkway their telecommunications company into our system because that is how they are using they're using what way build a spy network and I've also spent time raising awareness every one of these Chinese companies are just what their state owned and who is the state in China is the Chinese Communist Party so as we look at Corona virus and covert nineteen as the way to hit it toward action. There are some step. We need to put in place to make this an orderly process. I is Senate resolution. Five fifty three. I have it in the Senate Congressman. Jim Banks has it in the house and this is a sense of Congress resolution which would send a message to the Chinese Communist Party and their leadership that we know they cause the Cobra virus. They did this by hiding information by lying about what was happening. They were not transparent they would not give us a viral Sample to work from When we ask them for an active pharmaceutical ingredient they said well. We may hold back on that we might not give it to you. And then they changed their mind and decided to give it to us then they said. Oh this is all caused by the US military. Then they decided they would begin to expel journalists so in that resolution we say we recognize all this in China. You are guilty of having taken the virus allowed it to spread and caused this global pandemic the thing that we would do is to end these Confucius institutes that are on the campuses of many of our universities. And you know some of these universities thinking they were teaching a different culture and allowing these Chinese professors quote unquote air quotes professors. They're actually spies onto these campuses and this is all come to light. Listen if you take taxpayer money. You can't have a Confucius Institute. The third thing have China way all of the payments related to the debt our. Us debt that they hold which is over a trillion dollars of our debt notes. That they hold they should wayne their payments on that and because we don't need to be sending them one thin done because of the trillions of dollars they have cost our economy and then is to bring manufacturing back to the United States and that is as we look at recovery and my legislation. The Sam see bill would bring that. Us pharmaceutical manufacturing back it would incentivize institutions of higher learning to team. Up with pharmaceutical companies. And what for advanced manufacturing practices it would incentivize companies that are manufacturing in China to move that production back to US shores? And of course we've heard Larry cudlow from the White House. Economic Advisor actually talked about this this week and we think there is a good way for moving forward on that and the last piece. I'll mention is senator. Sally and I have pulled together piece of legislation. And this is the Stop Coke. Adak would do is allow US citizens to be able to exercise a right of action against the Chinese Communist Party and we would go through the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act and US were used against Saudi Arabia. Yeah Yeah we used it against the Saudis and so it allows you to go through the Immunities Act. Because of a biological agent and coded nineteen would fit that and that biological agent and we know. Doj has already filed terrorist charges for weaponising co good nineteen so mcq. Sally and I are pulling this together. the Stop Code and that will allow. Us citizens who have suffered or died from Kobe. Nineteen or lost their business from cove nineteen to have that right of action and US court and to sue the Chinese Communist Party running a business. You know HR issues can absolutely kill you. Wrongful termination suit minimum wage requirements labor regulations and more. 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Kirk will senator I. I just want to say thank you. I know it is difficult to take a stand against the Chinese Communist Party. Because so many of our duplicitous transnational companies have made an unholy partnership with the Chinese Communist Party and they want a free pass. So thank you for doing this. And there's so many other individuals in the media and the highest levels of our government. That seem far. More focused on appeasing the dictators of the Chinese Communist Party than doing. What's right for our country? One thing I want to contribute and I I sent a note to your team about this and I was made aware of this last summer. Which is an effort to try to hold China accountable? With some of the leverage we have over then which back in the nineteen twenties and thirties prior to the communist revolution in China the Chinese government went to America and sold bonds to help them build roads and bridges and infrastructure acquainting to nowadays dollar of over a trillion dollars of Amer of bonds that Americans hold of Chinese debt. Now in the Chinese Communist Party took power. They said well we no longer Assumed the liabilities. While you and I both know senator that you can't take over a country and assumed the assets and then just act like the liabilities don't exist Sovereign debt does not disappear just. Because you want it to Maggie Thatcher when she was Prime Minister and I know you're a big fan of the Iron Lady She said she actually came to terms with the Chinese Communist Party in the eighties and got them to pay a piece of it. Essentially settled with the bondholders. I think it's a great piece of potential leverage. I love to have you explore that we have over them. I mean there's a trillion dollars of Chinese debt that we own. Yeah I'd love to hear your thoughts on that yes we have talked with the Bondholders Group. And we are certainly we have that as one of the things that we could do is We wore recovery and accountability. And this is one thing for all of your listeners. Realizing China has to be account held accountable for this. They are not our friends and when you came out the new actors of evil China North Korea Iran Russia. These are people who are not our friend and you have been that China feels like they can exploit the rest of the world now when you talk about the bondholders and that sovereign debt. Yes I really applaud Thatcher for the fact that she moved forward with that and we have never been able to achieve a resolution with them and for those families that still on that still on that they hold that Acre having repay that look at what China has caused us in this when you talk about loss of life loss of Livelihood Charlie is trillions of dollars you look at the devaluation of the stock market of our different economic sectors. You look what is happening to small business to main street business. You look at what has happened to large employers you look at what has happened to families that are sitting at home and are in desperate need of getting access to funds to meet their monthly obligations and China has caused this because they hit information. They lied to us. They were not transparent they have they even tried to blame this outrace. On the Italian Fed it wasn't the US military we all know in the entire world. Now recognize this all started in Wuhan China. It most likely started in one of their labs and China. Now is again trying to say. Oh it was not us when there have been concerned about those labs expressed going back to twenty fourteen and not only by us but by some of our allies. The Canadians also were expressing their concerns. And now the Chinese have even moved in since everybody is saying China. You did this. They're trying to go in and sanitize the Internet and different postings. There Foreign Ministry blocked me on twitter. Their embassy has been writing our office. They are seeking a meeting with me so they can call me out and tell me where I'm wrong and the news is they're not gonNA get a meeting. I am not wrong. I am right and I'm going to stay on this of this. They are held accountable for what they've done. Will God bless you for that and I mean we need more leaders with courage and so Senate. I do want to ask a question which is about just your other colleagues that I see and not most the Republicans I have to say. I've been terrific on this. Which is not always the case you know I. I'm critical of both parties but I think Republicans have really been holding the line. I am concerned though that it seems that the Democrats are perfectly fine with the continual enrichment of the Chinese Communist Party. Can you give our listeners? A little bit of hope maybe that both parties can come to agreement that we need to treat China like the great enemy. They are that we need to treat them. Similar to how we treat Iran or Russia with a much different approach with trade with military intelligence. The fact that they're blocking you on twitter. I mean these are these are these are very very aggressive hostile actions from a regime that pretends as if you were their friend can you give us some insight into whether or not the Democrats are gonNA come along with us because I want them to? I want a unified congress to stand up against China. I don't consider this to be a Republican or Democrat issue. Some insight into that would be really helpful to our listeners. I would say for your listeners. Pay attention to what you buy and where it is made because we need to adopt the mindset. That what we're going to do quarantine China they have basically had most of the world and the economy and people. One hundred and eighty nations quarantined and then they have been so aggressive that France tried to buy PPA from them and they said we will sell it to you if you will take walkway as your five g equipment provider then trying to still make a buck on this so four all of your listeners. Hey attention to where things are made. Because bringing manufacturing back to the USA is a great way to send a message and it's not just pharmaceuticals which I'm working on. It is also with our telecommunications with electronics with P P with some of our consumables. Let's bring more of that production back to the US so that many of these communities in the Midwest that have been hollowed out because they lost manufacturing the old rust belt. Wouldn't it be great to see some of this manufacturing come back in? Oh and there's so many people looking for work senator. Absolutely I mean especially with a seventeen million people out of work right now. Why are we giving that sort of labor contracts to the Chinese Communist Party we have? I can't imagine how many tennesseans right now are anxious. Because they don't have jobs or they're out of work because a seasonal industries and I I've called for the total pause and moratorium on visas until we get back to pre pandemic levels and I've come under a little bit of heat for that but I tell you senator. They're five million new young people that are entering the workforce in a couple of weeks. They're graduating and I know there's a lot of great students in Tennessee. That are as well. And why would we give jobs to people that? We did not invest in for many many decades that are not our own citizens especially the amount of manufacturing potential so a police finish. That thought. I I someone interrupted you. I love to comment more on the manufacturing side right and I just so agree with you and for your those. That are listening to this podcast. If you were sitting in a room with a thousand Your Fellow College student and I were speaking to you and I said how many of you would like to move back to your home community or to a city very close to your home community but a job is not there. I bet you seventy five percent of the hands would go up. But so many people leave their home communities and where I grew up simply because there are no jobs so bringing manufacturing back and making our nation competitive is a great way for us to make certain that we are never held hostage and vulnerable and needing a pharmaceutical ingredient and can't get it Having a country that took all of our jobs and sent to us in the rest of the world of virus. We need to be smart about this and as we come out of this recession then we need to think has come the restart and think about recovery and think about the future and how we really read this economy backup. Perron virus fears canceling worship services the US Constitution and covert nineteen depression and social distancing. How to keep yourself and the kids happy through quarantine listen to a Christian response to Corona virus on the issues at Cetera. Podcast just go to issues. E T C dot org slash covert or look for issues etc in your favorite podcast APP. A Christian response to corona virus issues e t c Dot Org slash coverted issues etc and. I want to go back to one of the points you made. Which is actually a project that it's so funny a year. Two years ago I created a website called China on campus where I profile I listed all the Confucius institutes across the country and quite honestly you were running for office back then but it was really hard to get people to pay attention to this. Just people thought China was a threat. They didn't think of them as an enemy or as essentially what they think of them. Now now there's a lot of interest in the Confucius Institutes Senator. I know that University of Tennessee Closed Their relationship with the Confucius Institute based on what I have read publicly but according to what I've read publicly and I could be corrected on this because he's changing very quickly. Middle Tennessee State University has not closed there Confucius Institute. Are you working on that? Are you demanding the closure of it and see if you give our listeners? Update on the Confucius Institute. One of my favorite states. The Great State of Tennessee right and I have legislation that would remove the from the US for institutions. Take money from take us tax payer money and we are encouraging every university to shut these things down because what they're doing with these as essay air quotes visiting professors and air courts professors in residence. These are nothing but spies. What they are doing is taking your information. They are helping China build this spy network and they are not there on a cultural exchange. They are there as never of the Chinese Communist Party. They are there at the behest of the Communist Party led government in China. I agree and I've seen this firsthand. Why on Earth would a Confucius institute quote Unquote Cultural Exchange Program need to have server rooms that could basically compete against our biggest tech giants? And I kid you not senator you go to some of these Confucius institutes. They have massive amount of tech infrastructure and the students that there It's been proven. They are the sons and daughters of the Chinese Communist Party. Elites they are part. There's a lot of questions around what's been happening there and I agree. I completely agree with you. I think that we need to demand immediately that every single Confucius institute is kicked off the campuses of US universities and with that. Also there's other questions afford influence on our universities as well but let's vote. We could focus on China of course for the time being because it's amazing how it's amazing how we're universities have been corrupted. I WANNA ask another question about the immunities ex-senator because this has received some pushback by some individuals in the Senate who they say. Well this'll be a slippery slope. I don't agree with that. I think that if you if you use if you use the immunities act as we did against Saudi Arabia and the Saudi Arabian Royal. Family's inner connections to nine eleven which I believe past I don't WanNa say unanimously centered. But it passed pretty decisively when it came to the United States Senate years ago when President Obama was president. I could stand corrected on that How would this work technically? So if someone listening to this podcast for example senator at a family member or a business that went under because of the Chinese Corona Virus. Could they potentially join a class action lawsuit if this past the Senate? How would that actually work? Yes it would work much like it did with the nine eleven families and if we were to pass this then it opened up that category under eighteen. Usc One seventy eight and then DOJ takes the lead grow and this and then open set. Foreign Sovereign Immunities Section two individuals who lost that. So it would be very much like the things I would encourage them to watch what had happened with the nine eleven families and the way they moved forward. But this when you look at eighteen. Usc One seventy eight. The Cova nineteen fits into that category and so if we were to eliminate the sovereign immunity on China because they spread this as a biological agent. Then you would see families be able to work through. Doj bring their claim. Take it into court for leaded litigation and then sue the Chinese government and that would be done all handled through DOJ. That's very well explained. And also senator some of your colleagues in the House but more obviously closer proximity in the Senate have critiqued the president for Halting funding and defunding what I call the Wuhan Health Organization but also known as the World Health Organization The W eight show. What do you make of this? And do you think that it's time that we do Reconsider our funding of the World Health Organization and their behavior towards America and the West and their role in the spreading of this killer virus. Well absolutely The W. H. O. Is Complicit and Believing and spreading the lives that China was being transparent. They were not transparent. They were hiding hiding this. They wouldn't give us the viral sample. They said they may withhold a pharmaceutical that we need so I would take a step further than just the W. H. O. Which is the World Health Organization? China is requesting a seat on the UN Human Rights Council should never be a part of the Human Rights Council today. They just had to change and increased by fifty percent. The number of people that have been killed by this virus in Wuhan alone. That is how far. Aw their numbers are and we know. They've been lying about their numbers so now they have upped it yet again. We also should look at what they've done to the WHITACRE's who they persecute every single day. Twenty four seven three sixty five. China is an enormous human rights violator. They're communists I mean when you look at what. China has done to the global economy. Why would we have them as a part of the WTO all of these global organizations so which China wants to be a participant? So they can say they're a world economy they're a global leader. We need to review their standing in every one of those and until we do. We should withhold our funding from every single one of these great. Well I I completely agree with that. I know you only have a couple of minutes remaining one of the things that I always. Struggle with Senator is that I do believe that. We should have harsh sanctions on Iran. And I believe we have sanctions on Russia but while why we excuse China from the conversation of Economic Penal Ization. We continue this free flow of goods. I think can only be attributed to the fact that we have a group of elites that have gotten so unbelievably wealthy at the expense of the American people and I have driven through the wonderful state of Tennessee and all across the Midwest and the South and it is so sad when you take the back roads and you see empty factory after empty factory of places that used to be vibrant communities whether it be outside of Knoxville. Or Murphy's borough or anywhere across Tennessee or Kentucky or Indiana that part of the country especially senator was disproportionately impacted by our our miscalculated relationship with China and the Chinese Communist Party. And in return we got Fennel. Opioids and garages full of garbage senator from your constituents and the people you're talking to do you feel that there has been a wake up to the Chinese Communist Party in China. Do you think that there's going to finally be the long overdue reckoning that is needed against the threat that they pose to the United States of America? I think there has been a wake up. I have been contacted by dozens of Tennessee and and many times. The conversation is something like Marshall. I never believed you when you would talk about the evils of China. When you talk about wild way bring you would talk about the intellectual property theft and I never believed it was as bad as it was but quad. They've done to us. This is reprehensible and business people when they go to the grocery store they are flipping over containers and seeing where products are made and if it is stamped made in China. They're putting get back there saying you know. I won't another done out of my pocket going to the Chinese Communist Party. I had someone the other day who has been a business. Owner for years has about fifty employees to end the business owner said. I wanted to be sure I understood. Exactly what I thought I heard you say. Did you say that the Chinese Communist Party the State takes an interest in or always every single company in the country? I said yes I did. And they had never thought about it and they had looked at different times at manufacturing in China and decided not to because they were afraid of intellectual property theft but never had thought about it as the Communist Party using this as a vehicle for fund their activities and Charlie. It is that kind of awareness that I think people have come to that. If you're doing business there you are funding the activity of the Communist Party if we are not managing our budget and racking up debt in China owns a trillion dollars of our debt. We are sending. Us Tax payer dollars to the Chinese Communist Party. People know it now they are aware of it and I think you're going to see some habits change. Amen will senator and the other part that I always say that as a free trade person I have to say that one of the lies that we were told us free traders for years that the more re trade with China the more Western they will become and the more open minded. They'll come to America. It's been the opposite that has been a lie that a lot of think tanks in Washington. Dc pedaled very nicely worded pamphlets. And I I even referenced. Some of them the other day on the podcast where. I was reading stuff from two thousand ten thousand. Eleven is the renaissance in China. Is coming you know. They are going to soon be like Hong Kong and soon be like the Philippines and Singapore and it's been the exact opposite actually the more money we've given these tyrants less free. They have become in the more Orwellian Senator any other closing thoughts. You have on this important topic in China. How students in particular What can they do Obviously the purchasing a very important thing that you mentioned but any other closing thoughts would be great As we wrap this up you know I would encourage all of your your turning point audience to do a couple of things number one. Stay in touch with us. They can follow everything that we're doing on China and other issues by following us on facebook and twitter and instagram and going to our website. And then secondly I want them to remember is I've said so many times in front of your office is the most important network for news right. Now is the Y. O. U. And we want them to remember that they are the ones that can help educate their friends so forward good articles and good information and help educate their friends because people are paying attention right now and that is an opportunity so your audience get busy with this. Let's win this battle. Amen will senator God bless you. Thank you for your courage. I know it's a tough fight and there's a lot of institutional let's just say adversaries that. WanNa see US continually get weaker and trying to get stronger and thank you for being a strong voice for our country you will be. We'll be rewarded politically and otherwise for your courage. So God bless you and we got your back so thank you so much much. Charlie appreciate it bye bye. What a great episode that was the Marsha Blackburn. She mentioned turning point. Usa If you guys want to get involved turning point USA USA DOT COM can start a chapter get involved chip in some money. Teepee USA DOT COM email. Your questions freedom at Charlie Kirk DOT COM and. Please take out your phones type and Charlie Kirk show hit subscribe. That helps us continue to surge the charge. You guys got us to be Joe Biden in the last couple of days. Let's beat him again. E mail US your questions. Prematurely KIRK DOT COM. Thank you for raiding. Thank you for subscribing. 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LC Series: Yoga and Meditation

Next Up. Student Success!

32:21 min | 2 months ago

LC Series: Yoga and Meditation

"Welcome to nextstep student success a podcast on tips tools and takes for academics presented by nor for State University. Welcome back to the learning community. Summer Self Care Series My name is Angel Isa and I'm your host. For today we have a very special guest with us. Dr. Kathleen Thomas Associated Press professor in the Health School Education Exercise Science Department welcome Dr Thomas To our podcast episode today. Well, thanks you Joe for inviting me I'm happy to be here yet are. You doing yes I'm doing well, just trying to stay safe in the pandemic. What about you? I'm the same here and I'm doing what I can to reduce my stressors just as everyone else should be doing as well. I just finished up a nice four mile walk nice and it's hot and humid but you know it is what it is. Yes summer. Yes. Important as some of our guests have shared to still get sunlight. In the daytime in order to combat stress in other other areas. So Dr Thomas Cute tell us more about yourself where is home for you? Well, I actually consider Virginia Beach home. Now I'm originally from San Diego. A small town in San Diego called Vista California. Okay I was born and raised there and I got my undergraduate degree at San. Diego. State University. Who worked for the United States Navy in their fitness wellness program. Okay. while I was finishing up college straight out of college and got my first job as an then became a certified athletic trainer. National Athletic Trainers. Nice and an athletic trainer. Familiar. Is the person on the sidelines of sporting events? Yes. Okay and if somebody gets hurt and falls to the ground, it's the group of people or one person or two people that run out and try to determine what happened. Maybe take off to the sidelines, assess what's happening it what injury it is maybe determine if they can go back out and play that day or if they are going to have to have rehab and then will rehabilitate them in order to get them back to returning to play. was that person who that was my original profession by al-Qaeda? So and while I was working at Naval Station San. Diego in their fitness and wellness program before I got my first job as athletic trainer I met my now husband who was a naval officer. So that's why I'm on the East Coast. Okay I was GonNa ask you so what you brought, what brought you to? Virginia. So it was getting married with your husband and just relocating over here. So that's awesome and can you tell me more about your you mentioned your education and your training experience? Me More about your connections and office state what brought you to Norfolk state. Well I've been here since in in Virginia since nineteen ninety nine. I actually it's funny. If you go into my office, you will see my transition across the country as I've moved on my diplomas. So I have my undergraduate, my bachelor's degree from San Diego state I got a Master's we moved to Tennessee briefly onto Nashville Tennessee. And I got my master's degree at Middle Tennessee State University in health, Exercise Science and Health Promotion, and then I moved here to Virginia and did some teaching at tidewater community college. I worked at Bayside High School as an active athletic trainer for the first year and then I. Started get I started teaching at Old Dominion University, and it was old dominion I decided I should write a long term paper called a dissertation. watched. At that time I was familiar with the Norfolk area because again, I live in Virginia beach the northern part of Virginia Beach and so I started. Knowing a little bit more about Norfolk state I actually applied for a couple of positions before I got my PhD there and I did not get the positions wasn't offered them. I got a degree So I went to a small college in North Carolina and commuted not every day. But I commuted to North Carolina Wesleyan College in Rocky Mount North Carolina right after I finished my PhD. Comedian from Norfolk to. Rocky Mount North Carolina Yeah. Not Every day. So I went down and I stayed with somebody wanted. Okay. Okay. Okay. I stayed a couple couple nights down there and I'd come back on the weekend. Okay. Okay. So that definitely took that occasion you know what your goals were and what is to be able to do that and be positive about it right? Yeah. Okay and I taught Yoga down there because actually in rocky mount, there was not any yoga the Yoga I did was my yoga. And then a friend of mine actually human resources and he had seen that there was a position at Norfolk state. He sent it to me text message said, Hey, you can come home Norfolk state tiring. So that was in. March of Twenty Six fifteen and I've started at Norfolk state on January fourth two thousand sixteen. Okay. So you've been at state now for a few years now. And thinking about what you said about Yoga. So would you say yoga had been like the most interesting on what are your favorite jobs that you've had? I've actually it's funny that you say that I've never actually been paid to tell her. Oh Oh, let me let me back pedal. There were a couple times that I. Did Teaching Yoga for substituting. but it wasn't. It wasn't something. I wanted I was really interested in doing for pay I did yoga lot myself. I would I really realized the benefits of both mind body and soul if you will that Yoga brought out into me. So I was getting my PhD I also decided to enroll in two hundred, our intensive yoga teacher training session. Wow along with getting European steam. Yeah. My husband thought I was crazy and even my dissertation adviser was not too happy with yes. he's. Like our focus focus but I actually really wanted to do research in this field. That's and I wanted to get a little bit deeper into the philosophy of yoga which I don't put out a lot in my classes that I teach on campus because it's it's it's a little too much initially but I just I wanted to get behind that yoga philosophy the the piece in the. Shock Rose and things that you know the awesome as are supposed to help you with. Spiritually and things of that nature Anki I know you mentioned So you've been off state now since twenty sixteen correct. You told me more about the courses you teach join campus. Okay. So I teach predominantly science based courses for probably two or three of we have four programs in our department. So I teach mostly in one a program it's called a Kenichi affair program and it is an accredited program that you come out of with a national certification you sit and take national boards and they predominantly perform personal training health health and wellness related training in the Va hospitals so you can come out with a bachelor's degree. And you can work at a VA hospital starting at forty, five, fifty, thousand a year, and so it's not too bad So I teach anatomical kinesiology which tells you where the muscles are where they start where they end what they act, what they do and what nerves make them work. So that's one of them that I teach have taught undergraduate I've taught some care and prevention athlete training courses and then I teach neuro course. So a neurological foundations of exercise science. Yoga really falls into that class quite a bit. Because when we do yoga, we actually tap into some of our autonomic nervous systems and that's part of the brain sensors and our emotional centers. So that Kinda comes into play there and then I teach some clinical kinesiology classes, how to assess injuries and then how to rehabilitate them. Okay and I will use some yoga in at least talk about it as a principal on a possibility in that fact because. In the Austin as themselves have A. Mechanical way it you can do them right or you can do them. Wrong right Can hurt yourself or you can do yourself. Good. Yes. So there's that and that's more of a concealed type, and then the again, the the the breath work comes out with Yoga that you incorporate comes into that neurological side. Okay. which is why it's so good for step for stress release. Okay. So yeah, let's talk about that. Tell tell us more about yoga the. Breath work and Yeah. How that can definitely help us in our quest to or in our journey because I don't know if we ever really get to as being perfect self care but our journey with self-care talks to us more about that. So it's interesting I had actually just written a section Dr. Erickson deny are writing a paper, an interdisciplinary paper regarding the Stress Release for college students and So I wrote a lot about yoga. So Lemme can go off of that a little bit. So Yoga has been practiced for. Five thousand years or more in it kind of was originated in India although we will see different meditation types come out of other east, East Asian type of country. Some Japanese does zen type of thing. And Yoga's designed to kind of do a euro king that defined somewhat as joking mind and body. And many people will say that Yoga is meditation motion so we will utilize the breath with. Each movement in a particular posture and it's made up of different postures that are referred to as awesome as a awesomeness. In. So you we might say everybody arms up overhead in jail and then exhale come down forward fold and then inhale. So each movement in to a particular posture is going to be accompanied with the breath and it's that breath that helps to kind of relax the body. As you move through these somewhat challenging postures and then when they become more challenging. So that's kind of part of the Yoga Philosophy. That when you're sitting in a challenging posture, for example, let's say you're sitting in a chair pose which like you're in the position of sitting in chair, but there's no care under your rear end. So as all your quadriceps doing the work. And you're doing that for thirty seconds maybe a minute it starts become challenging. So in Yoga in that posture, you can start focusing on the breath slowing your breath down inhale exhale and you can learn how to do that and get through a challenge with your breath. And if you can do that in that classroom setting in that particular posture in any other posher, then the theory is that it's not easy, but it can be replicated in the rest of your day. Wow so I make sense. Yes. That makes sense. What about inbetween classes is is yoga one of those things that you can Just implement in your daily schedule when you're on campus and between classes you could, but actually would be better implemented is the breath work that's associated with. Yoga. So not like we would so that learning to work through the challenges of the postures yes. Is With using the breath is the focus of a yoga class okay. The breath work you use sat making sense yes and overcome the the physical challenges is what you can utilize on a daily basis. Okay. Moment to moment. Accents, yes that makes sense than. If I want to find out more information about the breast work associated with Yoga and how I camp lament that and my schedule do you have any APPS or any on websites that I go to to find more information about it? I actually do Okay. One APP that I use is more of a meditation APP okay. and I actually did a study that I had gotten some summer grant money for the first year I was at Norfolk state where I looked at benefits of mindfulness. Training in some athletes and looking at possible control things So we did I had somebody doing eight week mindfulness class and then they actually. used an APP it's called calm c. a. l. m.. and that's more of a mindfulness meditation APP but within the APP they do have some body. Mindfulness. So kind of a yoga type of thing, there is another Apt, it's called Yoga Glow Dot Com. Yoga glow dot com in that. Generally. Have to pay for some yoga classes there but they're reasonable they're relatively. Nominal fees, and then there's another yoga APP is well that Oh you can. You can send me the information and make sure I needed. This episode to share about the other APP but I used to call map quite regularly. Okay. It will do a daily meditation for you that ten minutes or so he's just sit quiet cup focus on your breath. So what happens neurologically our nervous system? Have you heard of that before autonomic nervous system? So I have A, we have no control of it. It actually stems from our brain in. It stems from our hippocampus, which is a party in our brain in Migdal, La, and our middle of both those actually are our emotion centers of our brain. Okay. So if we get scared, we're going to have a response through the autonomic nervous system to one of two divisions. One of the divisions is the sympathetic nervous system and that's what's referred to. You've probably heard of this fight or flight. So that's the sympathetic division of the autonomic nervous system. We have no control but if we're scared, we're going to have. The sympathetic nervous system is going to be activated and we're going to have increased heart rate increased blood pressure. Maybe some dryness in the mouth we're going to our pupils are going to be be dilated more because we're preparing our body is preparing ourselves to turn and fight or run from whatever. Yes. Our other division of the nervous system where Yoga comes into play is the Paris Sept- The sympathetic nervous system. And it's also referred to as the rest and digest, and so it is responsible for. Gastric juices, gastric decreases, Chretien's and parasol says so that we can digest our food, which is a good thing. And they're all and also reverses most of what? The sympathetic nervous system does. So the sympathetic nervous system increases heart rate. The Para sympathetic division will reduce heart rate sympathetic division increases blood pressure. The Para sympathetic will reduced blood pressure. So, Okay Yoga actually allows us to tap in with that smooth and calm breathing in to the Para sympathetic division more readily. How can I incorporate this now? So before I get back to campus over five, get if I'm a new student coming in before I get to the campus in the fall how can I incorporate some of these strategies that you're sharing with us to improve upon my my breath work and yoga and self care mechanisms. So, one good thing that you can do just to start is take you don't have to do it forever and that's the other thing people think Oh, I'm going to meditate I have to sit there for thirty minutes I don't know if I can do that. Take a five minutes find a quiet space. Sit Down Get. Comfortable Focus on your breath feel your chest breathing failure. Feel it come into your nose maybe the coolness of it come in through your nostrils. Feel it go out feel your your chest rises comes in. Feel it start to kind of draw in as you exhale, feel the air coming out of the warm air coming out of your mouth is you're out of your nose as you exhale it take just a few minutes and try as. Much. As you can to focus on that breath and shut out, the rest of everything else is not easy and if you don't do it all the time, you'll do it all the way. That's okay. Let the thoughts that go through your mind go through and then just remember to focus back on Matt Breath L. KC. One SP relatively simple way that doesn't cost anything which is why I've been so interested in these different types of interventions. For the Yoga Yoga sometimes is thought of his just flexibility exercises with the breath. So again, if you stand up and you go you, you're gonNA reach up and stretch right inhale tonight's deep breath inhale and exhale bend all the way over to kind of touch your toes. So inhale comeback up exhale go down. So the key is when you get stressed. Take a deep breath in. And then let the breath out at the same rate try to make it at the same rate as you would let it come in the slower comes in and out the better it's going to calm you down a little bit more and goes back to that count to ten. That may be your mother said when you got angry yes and she'd say, Angel, before you Yell Count to ten or Something to that factor my mom would say that it also gives you that time to reflect in between if you're driving down the road and somebody cuts you off and you WanNa, you know you're like really scared just take that time to slow your breathing down because you got that fight or flight that just stopped stopped came in right? That's definitely a good a good tip because you know yes, fighter. Fighter flight sometimes you don't take that sin seconds you're like Whoa. And unfortunately in in our society, we live in that fighter Flight Division that sympathetic division of our economic nervous system much more than we do in the Para sympathetic or that rest and digest system. Okay. and that's where all of our disease states star. Answers high blood, pressure, stroke, heart disease all of those are almost all directly related to the the state in which we are living in in our society that constant bombardment. Thus thus information good to know stole in our in our field. We say that we are we have these prehistoric physiological systems that are living in modern day society and it's not working necessarily for a lot of us. So prehistoric days we might be. Fine for weeks, and then all of a sudden we have to go out and forage for Food and we might come across some. Let's say prehistoric Saber Tooth Tiger something right and we have to make that decision, but we didn't have to make it for three weeks. So physiologically, it was a benefit to us but now that we're driving on the interstate with crazy people doing seventy eighty miles an hour driving up our rear end all the time and everything else that we do in modern society, we're always coming in contact with that sabertooth tiger. The End Yoga and meditation and breath work can help us. Change at least adapt our physiology so that the sabertooth tiger isn't going to get to eat us up all the time. So right now where we are managing or we are trying to handle on what's happening in our world today as it relates to the pandemic and we also know that racial injustices are up in our face and right around us on bit always been around. But of course, now everything is record. So how do we? How do we navigate this and how do we continue to incorporate the appropriate breath work and exercises and strategies that you mentioned order to take care of ourselves because it can be difficult to navigate all of that Yes, that's a great question. Let me first address the pandemic because although they are intertwined in your but they are they have some differences in their in their progressions. Yes. So first of all the pandemic. A thought, right. We haven't seen something like this for literally almost one hundred years this the. Nineteen eighteen flu which was referred to as the Spanish flu was as deadly as seeming to be. There's a couple of things that we have with his pandemic. The the uncertainty. Most of us. And I think even those of us that are the most relaxed in our lives and shut the whatever happens happens like to have some plan from moment they wake up in the morning till they go to bed and deny, and then what's going to happen the next couple of days and what's going to happen the next week, and I'm not saying that everybody's super plan to the T. Some are is not one of those but the uncertainty. Of you know, when can I go out to dinner which is a a mile road concern, but nonetheless part of a normal society that we've been living. when can I see my grandparents, my mother and my father, my loved ones when can I see my friends who may not be adhering to some of the protocols is strong strongly as I might be because I might live with my parents. All of these things are. ARE STRESSFUL STRESSFUL ENOUGH On top of the things that we already have. The flip side of that is that we're not going out into the world so much unless we are also one of those essential workers I need to make a living. I, work in a grocery store. I cannot call out sick but I'm fearful I'm going to be getting sick. Because there are people that are sick around me, I don't even know it. So for that one the pandemic type of things. The one thing that we can do is the science is starting to get better, but it still has an unknown hints. The reason we call it a novel Corona Virus Corona viruses out there all the time. Yes. But this is a one a new strain that we aren't familiar with and it seems to be more contagious and more deadly in certain stages. So, the thing that we can do best for that is to follow the protocols move about when you have to. If you are in groups of people wear masks, we know that we do know that tall even just talking so and you probably seen it on your computers right? If you're talking to somebody right now particularly since we're doing zoom so much if you talk loudly, you'll see little spittle on your computer screen because you're within three of the screen. So we have a mask on our faces and we're talking to somebody and we step five to six feet away from them. Then we can be assured that we can have some social interaction. I don't really like the term social distancing at his it's really more of a physical distancing. And even if you're state your city your? County. Doesn't mandate that you wear these things when you're out in public or when you're you know we we know the science follow the science and the science says that if you wear a mask and you stay at distance from people, we can be out in about and we could probably still be safe and that can at least help some of that. That's one thing that we can do to release some of the stressors that bring that about. That uncertainty okay. And now for the black lives matter. And you're absolutely right racism has been pervasive in this country. For. Four. Hundred. Years. And it's come about in varying. Varying degrees. The hard part with that is that no one can truly control other people's beliefs and thoughts. So. Therefore, we can only control what we do. And it is absolutely. Imperative that we take care of ourselves at this point. And some of these breeding techniques is not gonNA stop that pervasive racism unfortunately, it's just not. But it can at least help you get through that a little bit more as an individual as an African American young woman young man as a white middle aged woman or man who believes in the black lives matter movement. Yes. and any other race racial or ethnicity You know sexual orientation, take care of yourself and take care of those that you love and if you feel the need that you need to go out and protest then by all means do so and make sure again that you're taking care of yourself. If you looked at all the protests, vast majority are wearing masks. Yes. Thank you for sharing that information because is something that can easily be incorporated into our schedules especially as we take going the harder things up confronting the issues racism that is as you say pervasive in society. So thank you for sharing that information on. Thank you for covering your. Your history, your background, your educational background in your your training with Yoga. So back in April, we hosted a a distress event far learning communities program and you showed us an instruction away of of how to incorporate yoga breath work. On this episode, you share strategies and tips and I. Believe you share the the com at Yoga glow APP that we can look up and hopefully utilize those platforms in order to incorporate Bressler Yoga into our daily schedules. So I think you again for sharing information with this This is a great place to wrap up our conversation. Do you have any people you like to shot out or anything any closing remarks? For us if you're, coming to Norfolk state. Behold the green goal and welcome. If you are here, keep beholding the green and gold know that we are trying the best that we can to make A. Challenging situation that much better. If we host yoga classes, it in person. Try and make them if you can. We will definitely make sure we get that physical distancing. We actually Brampton is a perfect space because where we use the space is actually kind of a Basketball Gym oh. Nice. Okay. So we can definitely have some physical distancing and still do that type of stuff. If you do yoga already think of all of the challenges that you will use when you're holding a hard pose and then when you get into the challenges out into the world the schoolwork, the committee work at that that's kind of Inter Inter fearing with you the the political setting that is definitely challenging you on a daily basis. Take a breath. It doesn't mean take a breath. It'll all go away. You can only control how you proceed and how you react and that lack of fight or flight reaction is sometimes better not always. So and I, really it's my pleasure I just, WANNA shout out to all the students that I love I can't wait to see you all again I realized that what I love most about teaching is the interaction with the students. So Yes. So we will. We will get through this and welcome back welcome and it's my pleasure. I really enjoyed this discussion with your angel they add. Yes. Thank you for joining us today on. This is a great episode. About how we can incorporate yoga breath word in our our our schedules especially facing everything that's right up in front of our face today on and just starting to incorporate this. Now because you as you said in the fall semester, students will add on that additional academic layer in addition to less alrighty happening today, and we're all in this together as you mentioned it. So this was a great conversation I appreciate you being guest on our learning community self care series. That's all that we have for today folks. Thank you for listening and the whole. Green and gold. Next up student success was created by Dr Felicien Eban with Theme Music by Dr Shirl Medicine. And is presented by the Office of academic engagement at Norfolk. State University. 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9.2.20 Washington Wednesday, World Tour, and the mountain dulcimer

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9.2.20 Washington Wednesday, World Tour, and the mountain dulcimer

"The world and everything in it is made possible by listeners like us by name is Libya, Jones, I'm from Williamsburg Virginia but I'm currently serving in beautiful allow Africa as a nurse with the Organization of Samaritan's purse I. Hope you enjoy today's. Good Morning. The United Arab. Emirates recognized Israel last month. We'll talk about what this means for the Middle East and the world bets ahead on Washington Wednesday also today world tour plus a folk instrument that makes it easy for anyone to create his own music. Nowadays, we like to give everybody this idea that you have to be an expert, but really music is supposed to be a part of your life just like one for a walk having a cup of tea you know going swimming and world founder Joel Bells on our coal to pray. It's Wednesday September second this is the world and everything in from listener supported world radio. I'm Mary Record and Arctic Good Morning. Up Next Kent Covington Hands Today's news. President trump visited the city of Kenosha Wisconsin. where he towards some areas hard hit by looting and rioting after a police shooting last month. So this. One hundred, nine years. And we're going to help them a lot. We're GONNA. Help them a lot president heard there alongside a small business owner amid the charred remains of his camera shop. Trump also met with law enforcement and community leaders. So it came to think the law enforcement the police credible. And the National Guard has been really amazing and he thanked Wisconsin Democratic Governor Tony. Verse for asking for Federal Help to quell village protests. Andy criticized Democratic leaders elsewhere for rejecting federal help. Irs Though had asked the president not to make the trip to Kenosha saying his visit would only stoke division protests began on the city after the August twenty third shooting of Twenty nine year old Jacob Blake the president told reporters Monday that he was not meeting with blakes family while in Kenosha because the family wanted to have attorneys present. Meantime. New Protests chevette rooted in Los. Angeles, after police shooting there on Monday. Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputies shot and killed a black man that family members later identified as John Kizzie Sheriff's Lieutenant Brandon. Dean. told the L. A. Times. The deputies tried to stop the man for riding his bicycle in violation of vehicle codes dropped his bike and ran when it caught up to him he punched one of them in the face and dropped a bundle of clothes. He was carrying the deputies spotted a handgun in the bundle and opened fire. Dean. Added that the suspect was quote in possession of a firearm and did assault the deputy but protesters are questioning why the officers fired if Kizzie wasn't actually holding the weapon. The first trial begins today for more than a dozen people charged in the twenty fifteen terrorist attack against Charlie, Hebdo and to mark the occasion. The French satirical newspaper has reprinted the caricatures of Mohammed that prompted the attack world's Kristen Flavin reports. Thirteen men and a woman accused of providing the attackers with weapons and logistics go on trial today. Islamic. Terrorists staged the attack Charlie. Hebdo. Paris offices in January Twenty fifteen that killed twelve people during an editorial meeting as well as two police officers. The attackers cited the papers caricatures of Mohammed as the reason for the killing on Tuesday, the paper reprinted. The Mohammed cartoons declaring history cannot be rewritten nor erased in an editorial this week accompanying the Caricatures Charlie Hebdo said that although it had declined to publish the caricatures of Mohammed since the attacks doing. So for the opening of the trial was necessary. It said the only reasons not to stem from political or journalistic cowardice reporting for world I'm Kristen Slavon. After an alarming surge of corona virus cases across the Sunbelt, the numbers are now moving in the right direction and most of those states, new cases the percentage of positive tests and covid nineteen deaths have dropped recently from California to Georgia and Florida and every state in between except for one, those numbers are still rising in Alabama and Florida Governor Rhonda's Sansa announced Tuesday that he is lifting the state's ban on visiting nursing homes not back to fully normal where but it is allowing visitation, which is important. So all visitors have to wear the P., and then pass through a screening. All visitors will have to have an appointment and only to visitors will be allowed at a time and all facilities have to go fourteen days without any new cases of the virus to allow the visits. Amazon DOT COM is one step closer to delivering packages from the sky while Walmart launches. Its answer to Amazon Prime World's Anna Joe Hansen has that story. The Federal Aviation Administration said this week that it has granted Amazon approval to deliver packages using drones. Last year, the online retailer unveiled self-piloting drones that are fully electric and can carry five pounds of goods. They're designed to deliver packages within thirty minutes by dropping them in customers. Backyards. Amazon is still testing aerial delivery. No word on when it might roll out a fleet of drones. Meantime Walmart is launching a new membership service to compete with Amazon prime a service is called Walmart plus it will cost about thirteen dollars a month or roughly one hundred dollars a year paid annually it will give members same-day delivery on one hundred, sixty, thousand items. Company says, members will also get fuel. And can check out at Walmart stores without having to wait at a register. Walmart has a long way to go to catch up with Amazon prime launched in two thousand and five prime has more than one, hundred, fifty, million members worldwide. Reporting for world I'm Anna. Johansson. COVINGTON straight ahead, a new chapter for diplomacy in the Middle East plus Joe Bells with a special call to prayer. This is the world and everything in it. It's Wednesday, the second of September twenty twenty. Glad to have you along for today's edition of the world and everything in it good morning I'm Mary, record? First up today Washington, Wednesday. On August thirteenth president trump made a surprise announcement from the oval. Office, just a few moments ago a very special call with two friends prime. Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel and Crown Prince Mohammad Bin, Zayd of the United Arab Emirates where they agreed to finalise a historical peace agreement. Everybody said this would be impossible. Here's what Israel gave up. It will postpone the annexation of Jewish settlements in the disputed West Bank that area is part of land the Palestinians hope to claim for their future state no matter Palestinian officials called the deal established the back and the Palestinian street respond. Hundreds of protesters in. Gaza. Chanted to normalization a senior Hamas official said the deal serves and promotes the occupation in its projects that target Palestine and the whole region occupation meaning Israel. But that did not deter the new diplomatic friendship from progressing on Monday. The first commercial flight from Israel landed in Abu Dhabi, it carried high ranking delegations from Israel and the United, states during post-flight ceremony. President Trump's son in law and chief advisor Jared Kushner hailed the agreement as a step toward peace and he urged the Palestinians to stop living in the past and move into a more hopeful future joining us. Now to talk about what this all means for a larger regional Peacedale is Michael Rubin. He's a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute specializing in the Middle East good morning. Good morning well, we just heard audio of president trump announcing the agreement. The news broke as quite a surprise at least as far as the general public is concerned but clearly, this has been in the works for quite a while. What role did the United States play here? Well, certainly, the United States in the trump administration played a facilitation role. Especially when it came to encouraging the Gulf allies of which the United Arab Emirates is front and center that they had far greater interest to make peace. Now. The other thing that came into play was the trump administration's role in negotiating agreement, which would forestall Israeli adaptation of some portions of the West Bank in exchange for this normalization. And the UAE is the biggest player in Arab politics in the Middle East how significant is this deal for them to make this move? Well, it's extremely significant. The Arab Emirates may not be the most popular state that's Egypt or any of the most politically significant states, but it really has been punched above its weight in recent years and it's promoting a model of tolerance. And of business I and therefore, it seems to be a natural fit. I mean certainly. There's also the factor which overshadows all of this piece stealing, which is both Israel and the United Arab Emirates as well as many other Arab states now face a common perceived threat with regard to Iran, and therefore they may want to get all their all their ducks in a row. Everybody gets something in a deal like this. So what's in it for both sides? Well, what's really interesting in this case as opposed to previous steelmaking the Israeli Egyptian peace the Israeli Jordanian peace. For example, is that this for the first time is more a peace among equals the economies of Israel and the Emirates. are both fairly similar they both have similar emphases on. Tech Industries. And being business friendly and what makes this peace deal more significant than anything else is wall Jordan and Egypt were about security were about ending state of war. This really is the first opportunity for peace with Israel. That's GONNA. Be a warm peace instead of just a coal formal peace. With president trump says, he expects other countries to follow in the U. as footsteps and you've said that you agree with that. So who are the most likely candidates in in what does each of them bring to the table in terms of significance? Well, you know there are so many candidates right now, which just shows the sea chains which we've seen in Arab politics. Some people are putting their their bets on Sudan, which recently overthrew rejectionists dictator I mean just over a decade ago we're talking about genocide in Sudan, and now it seems it wants to. Rejoin the community of nations. Secretary. State Mike Pompeo was just out there or could be behind Bahrain is the smallest Arab state. It's an island nation in the Persian. Gulf. But it's also going to be one of the most tolerant. Few years ago behind sent a Jewish female ambassador to the United States and so it's also host to our Fifth Fleet, and so they also have some security concerns. Which unite them with Israel and the United States, you know this El Al flight, this historic El Al flight, which took jared Kushner the Israeli delegation to Abu. Dhabi flew over Saudi airspace which really has never been done before because Saudi Arabia traditionally has banned Israeli overflights and so a lot of people are saying Saudi Arabia Christie next bb Netanyahu Israel's prime minister had an open a visit to Oman, the Sultan of a man I, and so there's another candidate there or we look to North Africa where both Morocco and Tunisia have strong historic ties to Israel simply because so many of their Jewish. Community not only left to Israel but also returned. Regularly to Israel at the encouragement of the king. We'll talk timing. When do you think we might see one of these countries recognizing Israel you think it's weeks months years. This could be a matter of weeks. Certainly that's what the trump administration hopes because many states are also wary that American foreign policy has become a bit of a political football and therefore. They feel that if they don't make steel or at least this is what the trump administration saying that under a Biden administration there could be a more strategic reorientation of the United States more towards Iran trying to revitalize that Iranian diplomacy trying to give incentives to make that diplomacy happen, which could come at the expense of interests of some of these states. So the trump administration on one hand the saying, Hey, let's get this deal done. Now, some of the other states in the region however saying you know it's too close to an American election. We don't want to fall into this dynamic of being a political football. So maybe let's put on ice until after we see what happens in November. many things to consider. Of course, the Palestinians aren't happy about any of this if if more Arab countries do recognize, Israel where does that leave the effort to end the conflict over the Palestinian territories? We'll the Palestinians are saying in many ways. This is a betrayal of their desire for statehood, but you know after decades, a lot of the Arab states aren't buying this anymore they say, Hey, look. Under the Oslo accords, you agree to a two state solution under the Oslo accords we there's an understanding that there's going to be compromise on territory and so forth even on Jerusalem therefore, why should we keep abiding by your veto? When after all the Israelis offered a peace deal in two thousand under bill. Clinton, they offered a peace deal in two thousand eight. At the end of the George W Bush administration that actually. The Palestinians Morgan, hundred percent of the territory they claimed. And the Palestinians still said No. So a lot of the Arab states are kind of disaster exacerbated by this are the last thing to keep in mind is that within the Palestinian community, a lot of people are saying, Hey, look I mean on one hand the Palestinian leadership's calling for a boycott but on the other hand is really our interests none other than Souha Arafat. Arafat who was Yasser Arafat's widow on C. recently said you know the Palestinian leadership just got to get over this and actually joined and helped shape the future instead of simply vetoing everything. Lastly, Michael I wanted to ask you about a bit of advice that you offer to US diplomats and officials going forward and that is. Step out of the way. What do you mean by that? Well, I mean, basically what we need to understand is that we really have store conflicts of interest here I mean in many ways. We could get a sense of this with the Arab spring which was about everything but the Arab Israeli conflict and so if Arab states are saying, you know we want to get involved with Israel we shouldn't do anything that say, Hey, look let's wait. Let's try to bring this into a more. Comprehensive multilateral peace deal like we've been trying to do for the last. Mean fifty years or so rather, we should just fifty states want to have bilateral deals with Israel. Let's see where momentum goes and stop putting impediments or breaks in their path, and that's also stopped trying to look at this solely through the lens of the American political calendar to recognize that other states have other interests and those states should be fearful what the United States reactions should be sued. They decided to make peace with DD nuts. Michael Rubin is a resident scholar with the American Enterprise Institute specializing in the Middle East Michael. Thanks so much for joining us today. Thank you. Additional. Support comes from Samaritan Ministries Samaritan members care for one another by praying encouraging and sharing healthcare costs all without the use of insurance more at Samaritan ministries dot org slash, world. Coming up next on the world and everything in it world tour with Africa reporter unease. Ao He Kerry. We start today here in Africa. Sudan's government has signed a peace deal with the rebel alliance to end seventeen years of conflict. A coalition of five rebel groups signed the agreement Monday at a ceremony that copped off almost a year of negotiations about three hundred thousand people have been killed in the region since rebels took up arms in two, thousand and three. Former precedent. Tried to crush the unrest with more violence sometimes targeting civilians the military ousted Al-Bashir last year and a transitional council has ruled ever since. The final agreement covers key issues dealing with land rights, security, and posh sharing. People who fled their homes because of the war can return home rebel forces will disperse and fighters will integrate into the National Army Tonga's Facility next we go to Rwanda. Known for saving more than one thousand people during the Rwandan genocide has been arrested on Tara charges during the nineteen ninety-four slaughter Paul Recessive Gina is credited with sheltering thousands of ethnic to in a hotel. He managed that story was later told in the Film Hotel Rwanda but on Monday Rwandan police announced, they had stated Russa Gina for sponsoring and arming violent terror groups. Russa Virginia's daughter says the charges are completely made up and that officials targeted him because he has frequently criticized the current government Russa Gina has received several international awards but some Rwandans still contest his story of protecting survivors during the genocide. Next we go to. Asia. A young man has disappeared after a leak in video footage from inside a Chinese internment. Camp Meriden got is a prominent fashion model officials placed him in so-called reeducation camp in January. A. Few weeks later got per managed to send a few text messages and a video of himself to his family. The video shows got per handcuffed to a bed in a tiny cell propaganda announcements blare in the background in his text messages. Copper said his covered in lice sometimes, here's people screaming all day. No one has heard from copper since he sent those messages. China calls the camps vocational schools and denies any human rights. Abuses. Reports estimate that more than one million whitacre's are imprisoned in the camps, and that China continues to expand its fortified detention facilities. Finally we end today in the Middle East as. Two Israeli teenagers on Earth Petrova of gold coins from one thousand years ago. The teams were working at an archaeological site and originally thought they found some very thin leaves buried in a clay jar but the jar actually contained more than four hundred coins. All pure twenty, four carat gold. Such a large collection of coins is a rare find. Gold was often melted down and reused by later civilizations. These coins date back to the end of the ninth century when an Islamic Caliphate rule the territory from all GERIA- to Afghanistan. That's this week's wall tour reporting for world I'm on easy or he carry in Abu John Nigeria. Suppose you hear something like. Like A. Swarm of angry bees overhead. But all you can see is what appears to be some kind of futuristic flying motorcycle sidecar well, that is no modernist beehive. It's sky drive specifically its new s zero three flying electric car. That's what the Japanese company that made. It calls it though for a flying car one design feature is conspicuously missing. It has no wheels it has skids more like a helicopter it's being billed as A. Way to fly right over all the gridlock commuters on the highway below is powered by electric motors and eight small propellers similar to many drones now on the market no word yet on the price tag but sky drive says it aims to put customers behind the proverbial wheel of these vehicles in the next three years. So you can skip the big city traffic, but then you've got another big city problem on your hands parking. This single passenger vehicle takes up the space of two cars. It's the world and everything it. Today is Wednesday September second. Thank you for turning to world radio to help start your day. Good Morning. I'm nick and Mary Right. Well, it might be a while before we can hear a live music performance against so. Make your own music today World Radio Intern Vivian Jones introduces us to an instrument that's easy to learn. You've probably heard this sound before, but you might not have recognized what it is it's an instrument called the mountain dulcimer. Now. There's three strings on here. I am going to strum two of them but I'm gonNA leave them alone other than that. They're going to provide an almost bagpipe quality to the music, and this is this is the traditional way of playing the instrument. That Stephen Siefert, he's a world renowned. Mountain Dawson player. Professional Mountain Alzheimer players since about nine, hundred, ninety six. So what is a mountain dulcimer? Stringed instrument kind of like a small narrow guitar. All summer has an hourglass shaped body on top of that running from one end to the other is a fingerboard. The strings run over that fingerboard. You see instruments like this all over Europe. This is the American version of the fretted zipper. You don't hold a Dulcimer Guitar it's flat on your lap play strumming with one hand you hold down the strings with the other to change the pitch of the notes i WanNa, tell you about what's neat about these instruments. The wrong notes have been removed. So when you run your finger along one string and strum, you don't have to avoid wrong notes. So here's an example. SEAFORD says, no one really knows the exact origin of the mountain. Dulcimer. I always liked to something like a spoon invented the spoon. Who invented the ball while they could have popped up everywhere there's no specific record of pioneers with Dulcimer, but the instrument most likely came to eastern Tennessee with European. Immigrants who settled in the Appalachian Mountains if you follow the wagon road. The comes down out of Virginia and then goes into eastern Kentucky and then floats West. That's where we find the old instruments as along those trails in the nineteen seventies and eighties there was a revival mountain dulcimer music. Digest published a book called back to basics that had instructions on how to build Alzheimer. All of that revival did create written music did create recordings instructional methods. That's when the instruments started to get refined. siefert learned the DULCIMER. After he I heard the sound on a Mannheim Steamroller Christmas album back before the Internet he did some research at the library and found a magazine for Dulcimer player's. Saw Photographs. Some of them from a decade earlier where people were at festivals, lots of mentions of festivals. Heard never even heard of a dulcimer. So I started slow the and I I got busier as the years went on I started finding the people in those pictures and asking them who should I talk to he moved to Nashville to study at the Middle Tennessee State University and later traveled and taught with Appalachian Folk Musician David Snow over who is widely credited with restoring the popularity of the dulcimer started off as a piano major but at some point I was having a lot of fun with the Dulcimer and I didn't feel like I was discovering some hidden gem really. SEAFORD has worked more than one thousand dulcimer festivals and performed all over the world. There's a lot of people I would say age fifty to eighty doing this. and. Then there's all the dulcimer player's. We don't know about me one of the best things about this instrument. Is. Every once in a while, you run into somebody who's been playing for years and has never met anyone we've never does not only a renowned performer. He's also passing the Dulcimer craft onto the next generation. He's Talk Vanderbilt and also to private students. Since the coronavirus pandemic, he's taught dulcimer classes virtually using zoom. One of his students had grown up singing with the shape no hidden but had never played an instrument before. Siefert put pieces of paper with the seven shapes doe, ray me. Law T on the DULCIMER and put the shape note music hymnal in front of them. able to play what was on that book because they knew how to read shapes I remember thinking this is powerful. Somebody's never played an instrument. Just play the him. With, almost no mistakes. And then they'll look up and see the joy in their face. That was priceless. Amazing. Really SEAFORD says the ease of playing the mountain dulcimer makes music accessible to anyone who wants to play a little. Nowadays, we like to give everybody this idea that you have to be an expert but really. Music is supposed to be a part of your life just like one for a walk having a cup of tea, you know going swimming. The Mountain Dulcimer is an instrument that puts music and all of its joys into the hands of anyone who gives a detri- music. We don't know how. But. It heals it seems to heal. You can say that it does that and small ways are big ways. But. I like to think it's simply pudding something. Beautiful into somebody's hands and they can go do the same for other people. I. Don't feel like I've dedicated my life to dulcimer although you might think that looking at my track record. Really I. Love. Just showing people you can make music to. Reporting for world I'm Vivian Jones in Nashville Tennessee. Today is Wednesday September second good morning. This is the world and everything in it from listener supported World Radio Mary Record and I'm nick anchor. World, founder Joel Bells now with a call for more prayer, these divisive times. Calling someone single issue voter may be accurate and still not be the fastest way to win a friend. When someone says, I'm a single issue thinker I hear him calling me. In. Simplistic. But. It's a rare week that I don't hear someone. Say I need to broaden my public policy perspective? Specifically. They want me to know their topics other than abortion for thoughtful voting Christians to keep in mind. These critics often paint world with the same brush. A recent letter from Phoenix woman is a good example. We'll call her Bertha. She asked why doesn't World admit that on Judgment Day God is going to be talking about a lot of other sins besides abortion. She suggested we deploy our staff to some big cities to report on racism in Evangelical Churches. My first inclination was to scold Bertha dare her to get offer high horse, check her facts and admit maybe she's the one with a lopsided focused on a single issue. But wait I thought, where is this getting us if Bertha view of world and me is skewed and it is then maybe my view of her is also less than accurate. How could we sharpen our perception of each other and enhance our teamwork is fellow believers. Few days later I reached Bertha by phone I said I'm frustrated that we can agree with each other that abortion is evil and we agree with each other that racism is evil and then we tend to partways just because we can't seem to agree on a few priorities. Maybe she said, perceptively, that's why there are so many different organizations out there somebody to catered every preference. Frankly. I worried Bertha might cancel her membership. At my bigger fear was that we Christians might continue to fragment on key issues. That's when it struck me that we might be well suited to do something valuable. I asked Bertha. How often do you pray specifically for deliverance from our nation's dark racist. Habits. I try to do that she said, but not nearly as often as I should. It seems easier to read and talk about it than to pray about it. So let me be just as open. I said, I am not nearly as faithful as I should be in praying for an end to evil of abortion. If the two of us aren't even diligent in praying for the issues we tend to identify with most who's going to be praying for those. We see as less important. What would happen if Greek companies of US where to spend the next thirty days praying regularly for issues and causes we perhaps have never prayed for before. I hope you'll think about it too. I'm Joel Bills. A. Tomorrow, trouble in Belarus, it's president has been in power. Thirty years, we'll tell you why so many voters there are protesting the latest election and we will introduce you to the first of this year's hope awards, finalists that and more tomorrow. 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In The Draft Show - NASCAR Brickyard Pre-Race Show!

In The Draft Show - NASCAR Talk

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In The Draft Show - NASCAR Brickyard Pre-Race Show!

"It's time for some straight talk. Look you wouldn't spend more to get the exact same thing. Where'd you know so when i tell you straight talk wireless runs on the same cell towers as the big guys but charges up to half the cost you see where i'm going with this right. Get america's best four g lt networks for less. The unlimited plan is just forty. Forty five bucks a month with twenty five gigs at high speeds then two g. straight talk wireless only at walmart savings may vary see straighttalk dot com. Dr george do great greek prime l. Now don't do anything welcome everyone to in the draft with wilson and was i'm wilson here in sunny southern california meanwhile wrote across the internet from beautiful studio of the dakotas version two point zero. It is one mr scott wise what's going on. There was man is that darlington race over yet just ended a few hours ago. Wow i will tell you that <hes> you know this was really really disappointing to me because it was a good race and it was a great crowd and nobody on t._v. To see at least on the east coast i mean seriously how many people stayed up other than you and i stayed up until what would have been two o'clock in the morning on the east coast just to watch told you it was one o'clock for me in the central time and look at the time of the race. It was three hours and forty five minutes to complete all the lab mc jesus christ. It's too many yeah it really is. That's too many hours of minutes. I and i wonder yeah like in other series. If there's a delay <hes> i mean obviously there delays wouldn't even be as long as a nascar delay but with a shorter delay what they end up doing is they. They reduced the length of the race not because they want people to see less racing but because you're thinking about you they're like okay. You probably planned on being home by x. So we'll try and get your home as quickly as we can so maybe we'll shorten down the race but nascar never does that man. It's like in this case. There are two o'clock in the morning. We got lights male zoo this this thing which i'm surprised there wasn't like a city bilawal about that yeah yeah like i understand this lead a weekend and people aren't going to work monday but still and and and honestly that was the only saving grace when it came to the crowd i mean if if it had been like this weekend at indy and they don't have lights if the if it were a similar situation detract that did have lights on a regular sunday <hes> there would have been twenty five people there by the end of the race because everybody would have to go home yet. I mean unless be honest. It's it's already going to be a sprout this weekend but we'll get to that. Oh my god will we ever get to that but before we get there scott okay all right. I didn't even tell the wise man about this yet. No i heard they're hurting. The email is going to be a musette there. There's there's some bad news and there's some good news the bad news. We just made reference to <hes>. We're no you asked me i think before we went on the air. If i just come back from sacramento in no i'd have to go to the next three shows shows three shows three weeks wilson's actually trying out for the sacramento kings. Oh god that's why he's got to go to training camp yeah it. I have a pretty good chance man probably be like a third line. Left-winger sacramento kings basketball yeah great eight grade basketball. That's right yeah. That's just not me. I'll hang with it does what's his name still play for him. Boogie cousins no no steph curry is steph crystal play for yeah. He plays the the golden state where he's never played the state warriors who plays you're not great your own home. Y'all your feet plays for the frigging kings. Nobody don't know bobby. Hurley left like years ago instead of white chocolate like does anybody did anybody from remember. They had a basketball team devotes g._m. There is really no way. I think i'm pretty. The story is all right there. You go then. Maybe maybe i'll go check him out then while i'm up there for three frigging weeks so that means for three weeks ago to do the show from hotel room <hes> for three weeks after cross my fingers hold my breath and hope that i can get out of that frigging place in time to get set up so we can do the show and scott has been down this road a million times before <hes> but then that's the bad news three weeks in sacramento the good news that's that's it. It's over after that. It's done you done. I'm done. I'm done after that ladies and gentlemen. Here's here's what happens because it quits this job forever. He quits this goes back to a radio station income crawling back through the right exactly exactly no. It's done dude yes so after that every show for the foreseeable future from the home studio in southern california so we're starting at patriots steelers starting the patriots to get tens of dollars. Yes there will be new features. <hes> there will be <hes> things that we'll do. There'll be a dog that sits under my like at my feet and mhm pants up toward the microphone on if you came here not pictures will be posted. Pictures will be posted. Finally scott scott is trying to steal my thunder man but he can't. He can't make me upset about he can't regret ditching this crap. No no no. It's going to be awesome. Everyone's it's quitting their jobs like. It's really weird only get. Are you know i'm not because you've got a good job. Seon need to be running. The hospital in a minute exactly exactly could be a c._e._o. Of a hospital and never even step foot into the o._r. Except for to clean things john john p is trying to pick on now. Tell you got a good job to another hospital. Oh i thought he didn't he just change jobs nays hospital game now yeah <hes> <hes> that's the place to be right. There man got a new car with the spoiler john wayne weighing. It's not a spoiler to wing like they're like somewhere. There's an airplane. That's grounded because its wings are gone. He does live here b._w._i. Highly possible man so any rate <hes> so we all just have to suffer through three weeks of crap to get to the other side when we can do whatever want on the show whenever we wanted to do it and ladies gentlemen you should be used to because you suffered for multiple years. Oh yes totally it will be no different exactly uh-huh yeah yeah. The next three weeks will be no different than the last two years really more like three or four years but really two years so by the way i don't. I'm looking at the. I'm looking at the <hes>. The results at every team has like i like the description is like sport clips. Throwback snickers throwback <hes> chevrolet accessories chevrolet even on the entry list. They put all the throwback they they put them as throwback. <hes> a throwback napa throwback which we're part is that eric jones owns car. I didn't realize was throwback until we got into the race. We've we've we bashed it. Because it was a throwback to eric jones. Oh yeah get another person and throwing back to themselves and he's he's like twenty three or something. How can you have a throwback when you're twenty three years old he did not only i think now here's the question he wins this racy a._c. Wins it because kyle busch doesn't know where the walls at yeah slams into it yeah. What does this do for him. Does he stay in the twenty s he fighting due to the ninety five. How does this whole thing work because there's a bevy of young drivers. Christopher bell included yeah <hes> that are going to want to know where the hell they're going. There's already thirty one kid talking to rouse she so desperately at a cup right yeah you know i mean i thought he was already locked into the twenty because he was going to be in the playoffs one way or the other but winning the race i i think i mean just locks it in. I mean if if it wasn't certain before i don't see how you could win a race like even joe gibbs racing who has a track record record of just screwing it up with young kids even they. I don't think he messed this one up jones windsor as for the second year in a row he wins the race. I think he keeps keeps the car yeah i think he has to. I think i think there will be asked because when push comes to shove. He's actually coming through for yeah exactly. What's what's even better about this is. I didn't realize that we've we've had fifteen different winter. This year. There have been a lot of winners <hes> other teams. Are there really fifteen yeah because there's fourteen locked in austin healey. No some of those points four goals. What are you gonna go. Look at it sure fourteen or some of those guys is are in the eight winners. If i remember correctly ten winners four are locked in points right now and then two more slots left to go well there it is well then never mind then yeah but joe gibbs racing thirteen wins on the season but you're right. There have been actually been eleven winter so they're almost had because there's of course haley didn't didn't get in so that's eleven drivers have won a race this year and we have twelve so <hes> twelve different ones rather than that wanna race <hes> yeah and you know i was kind of. I was kind a bump. I mean on one hand. I was like okay one eric jones to win because somebody new that we haven't seen when <hes> this year and you know the other option was call albus winning again right and so on one hand. I was like all right. Eric jones is great that he won but on the other hand i thought that little cheated because because it was coming down to it man the eighteen car was coming and then he just started overdriving the thing and he got into the wall twice and that was it and i was like man if he would have just stayed on track. If you'll just held it back just a little bit. We could have just a phenomenal ending this race yeah but we didn't and here we are. I know it's one of those things where you knew darling because it was like we we didn't see a lotta guys like in that middle to the late portion brush against the wall and as as the pressure started to happen then you seek is is driving. Eric jones nip the wall a little bit too but he elenita dipped it enough. You know they <hes> they were talking during the race about oh oh i mean not many people have hit the wall and i'm like they'll have enough horsepower at the law man. That was the thing like at the end of the race. You're overdriving the car so you know i mean college. Is i mean he just drove drove into harder drove it out of the corner too hard but but in a regular rule package darlington race guys are hitting the wall because you're just so desperate and you have to be so close to the wall that with all that extra horsepower power. It's easy to just get get the back in a little bit you grabbed the wall and then it's all all on from there but i will give eric jones a ton of credit because when he switched and went to the i see we kind of switch ended up he would in in one end of the track. He was really diving down low the other one and he was standing up high because he wanted to match a cow's line and i mean he was is in churches from the wall for a kid that young to be able to hold it in there like that and have the confidence in himself in the car. I mean it made the win that much more impressive yeah and i think it's showed that <hes> he's ready. Yeah i mean he's ready to have one of those. Cars still put him back in the ninety five because i ninety five is gonna do him. No good at all. I i went on this point. I wouldn't see a good reason. Would you know because it'd be a second time being pushed to a satellite car yeah because he came in with furniture row and now he's <hes> <hes> he the plan was him going the ninety five but i hope he doesn't i hope he stays in a twenty and then put christopher bell in the ninety five just like he had to go through the year on the satellite team. You have christopher christopher bell do the same thing if he shows some promise within you move them up. Then you make a decision you make it happen that way so but yeah the crowd like we said i mean there were a lot of them there where they hung in there. The idea of sellout is kinda like in quotation marks because i think there were only talking about you know the the grandstand seats on the front stretch. I mean i saw some empty seats here and there so i don't know the tickets themselves were sold. Yeah yeah you know and there were a lot of people there and that was really the great part about four hour rain delay. Some people are just probably passed out in their car. I know right and we talked about the racing. I thought the racing was was actually pretty. Damn good good. I mean you could run the high line. You can run the line that made a fun and oddly enough though p._j. One there so blows at our theory exactly yeah so but at at the same time. I think that if they had had the full horsepower package that i think it would still be good brace. I don't think it was because of the package. I just think that you know the track. Just happened to be good good. <hes> you know it's just happens where the track just matches up well with with what they got so exactly <hes> and and to think that the rule package package alone you know can make any track that much more exciting or less exciting. I mean seriously. It's not like they were running around. You know not doing anything irregular darlington race before the package on but then before we had the jones win denny hamlin <hes> wins the xfinity spend the race burnouts flag celebrating whole nine gatorade up in the air whatever he's got disqualified afterwards second time this year we've had a driver driver disqualified from winning the race in the series for being too low. I almost <hes> almost one eric jones to lose because of that hands push push k. a. bush <hes> none of bush gibbs guy trump and <hes> yeah it was it was a weird circumstance and cole custer was was the benefactor and that <hes> but yeah what's going to happen when it happens the cup we haven't. We've had one of the trucks. We've had one xfinity. What happens when it happens. In the i don't know man somebody is about to get somebody who's gonna piss because there's so much more money on the line and the sponsors sponsored have so much more pool at that level that could end it right there that could end that whole kind of rule thing right there. E you wanna talk about dream scenario <hes> you were talking about dream scenario right. Now someone like. I don't now austin dillon <hes> runs. The stage of his life runs runs his ass off wins. Indy thing gets cued. This can be a fight at that point or even better. Clint boyer barely gets it on points. He finishes fifth or something like doesn't even win the race but they you'd yeah randomly pulled his car and his he's one of the ones that get. Let's see cute. He you know what can happen. There is going to fight. Somebody's just going to run over and start trying to punch kelton with his helmet on my calendar still work for nascar still there he's going to he's going to run after somebody with his helmet on and try and find him like i mean it's. It's a situation where i can guarantee you. They're going to pull all the playoff possible. Guys is there to pull all the bubble guys. They're gonna pull the worst winter. If it's the first time winner or if a guy first time winners and second so kyle larson finished second pull the you know they'll pull the the winning car and then the second place car and then all kinds of crazy garbage is going to happen. Oh it's guaranteed. I i would think that <hes> if a guy wins the well if the winters car gets pulled anyway top two cars and i think it's like a random car after that <hes> that random car isn't going to be so random if somebody has raised their way in at the last-second that's the car. That's going to be random car because they're gonna want to double. Check up but imagine if it's somebody that x. or eminem's longtime yearlong sponsor i mean it wouldn't wouldn't affect them that way though because you know they wouldn't get they won't get booted from the playoffs because of it but even in a race even when it just comes down into a race if it's one of those big name sponsors you think they're not going to go to nascar and be like dude the b._t._f. <hes> take a car out victory lane. What the hell and then that's gonna have a lot more weight. Wait then like xfinity sponsor or a truck series sponsor shirt like if ally gets pulled like ally i first time coming into nascar dallas. Ashley johnson wins gets cued yeah. I know what would you do if you were ally at that point like if if he wins the race if jimmy wins the race on sunday and then he gets disqualified and you're like it's my first year in the sport. My driver came through in the last race. He won his way into the playoffs. Now you're gonna take it away from me. One of my spend money for i'm gonna leave i. It's very possible that could happen. It'd be wonderful and i would. I would love to see it just to see what nascar does because apparently what they're working on. <hes> they're still working on which i'm like. Hey guys guess what you might want to get on stuff soon yeah especially if if he fails but he got run into by somebody so let's end the last last slap there's like some neaten banging coming down the front stretch right and then now you throw in the question of was it the contact that caused him to fail l. inspection and there's some controversy surrounding it. I'm not saying that they shouldn't have rules. I mean obviously it should have rules but i'm saying that they're playing with fire in that in that respect respect that you know if it's a big time driver big-time sponsor somebody who's newer to the sport or in this case new to the sport and the wing gets tossed out because of that your driver doesn't make the playoffs playoffs then there. There's going to be like meetings and yelling and stuff like that. There will be loud noises. That's for damn sure yeah yeah that'd make things fun though <hes> <hes> segment winters when kurt busch calabash <hes> said bush brothers and and your <hes> your number of times times where they posted a picture of the car on the track and then above it the car they were throwing back to six thousand seven hundred twenty two during say take the over. Yes yes definitely the over. I wish we would known we could bet on that. <hes> my gosh every two seconds. I don't know if i was if i like it or not because it's different for us because we're like super are into it and so whenever somebody releases a paint scheme we check out the scheme and the you know who the throwing back to but i guess for your casual viewer was probably very helpful to see what they were. I that time they weren't watching also must be honest frigging three in the morning it was us yeah it was just us in the people who already know and yeah and then in kuki boys. Oh yeah you know you want to look at eric. Jones the winner of this race. Do you think if you were one of the brave few who stayed up until two o'clock in the morning on the east coast. If if you're one of the people at the track who didn't even leave until two thirty right you thought that are jones won the race and why wouldn't you the may across the finish line first the guy chasing moran and the wall he did the t the burn out it gets the trophy the flames or whatever they shot up behind him but no no you'd be wrong and i would like to point out this time i paid specific attention at the end of the race to n._b._c. and they put up eric jones jones winner then they put up cobb bush thirty nine points it was kyle larson or larsen thirty nine points published thirty eight points points in a whoever was four thirty seven points was that his <hes> was at mega harvick harvick or somebody like that and i'm staring at those. I'm like that's not even the close to the points. That's the point for crossing the finish line but that's not what they got in the race. No eric johnson win. He didn't finished second oh he he didn't finish third. He was fourth album. Kabul ran into the wall twice. He's your winner with fifty one points in this race. Cal larson was second on track second points forty nine followed by kurt busch who was seventh on track but yet he was third highest points then eric jones who crossed the line. I am i then brad keselowski than clint boyer well so kevin harvick toward the place card and not even not even he was seven. He was seventh in points. I think yeah alec thirty four or something like that so we have to send a cow bush the <hes>. I didn't win the race but it did trophy the trophy. We got form the you're. You're a winner in the eyes of the points exactly trophy yeah the i really. I really didn't win. Winning winner's trophy we go. We need to go do like i'm sure at their store where we can probably get a bunch of those trophies for like a buck kosher both finding the same one now difference it makes it more fun so like kabushmeye tennis tennis trophy but then next week when it's the other way around and you know his laos keno finished seventeenth but has the most points that we can send him a bowling trophy. We're going to have to send these from like different post offices. Yeah we'll just because they're gonna track down serial killer. We just put a little piece of masking tape on it and put real winner winner. Go real winner and then the race. What we should do is is is <hes> photoshop a picture sure of the trophy <hes> like the photo op of the actual winner and the trophy what photoshop there the other drivers over top of it and send it to them with exactly the real winner see i'll. I'll have odd chance to do that. When i'm out on the road anymore there you go yep him obviously a chance to tried to knock it caught by the there. It is perfect we did it. Oh man <hes> so spreads finishers in this mattie benedetto another solid the performance even though you won't see it in the points but he was eighth on the track remember he was second back at bristol nearly won the damn race <hes> and it's his six top ten in the last ten races weird how that happens six then we'll talk more about that when we get to the news about what you know what all that's that's going to mean but i mean another tough track and another great finish for him and wondering why wasn't at the beginning of the season yeah well. It took them a lot of get adjusted. I guess yes but it's all i can. Thank you know i mean the only thing that makes sense good for him. Well i know right. <hes> in credit to <hes> to wheels is <hes> mike wheeler is <hes> curcio because i mean everybody's talking about you know debris and we are too because he deserves it but that was the other half of the equation and i think they put him in a decent card not a great but a decent car but the spectacular crew chief that makes all the difference. Let's be honest here. You get somebody who knows how gotta talk to you and knows it knows how to adjust on the fly that that's the guy you need to have on their. He's definitely the unsung hero that ninety five team <hes> paul menard paula taller. Nothing finally doing something man about that look at him. He's third top ten of the year his his last one was all the way back in richmond in a burl so i would have been fooled because i didn't think paul menard ever got a top right yeah he has he is one of the finish night and then austin dillon <hes> his fourth top ten of the year his first chicago couple of months ago or so <hes> so top ten for him as well good for him there you go <hes> <hes>. What do we do do we do. We break to keep going to take a little break okay so we'll take a break. When we come back. We're gonna talk about me mattia benedetto and how this extra top in the six top opportunity here affects his chances opportunities for next season <hes> we'll talk about the playoff picture heading into indianapolis <hes> we've got some silly season news as with <hes> tyler rhetoric coming up and then a terrible terrible terrible thing than netflixing announced to supplement cigarette. There's a fine line between clever and stupid and these guys obviously loved her glasses at home <music>. Welcome back to end the draft with wilson and woz. I'm wilson that is was man and at the end of this program we're going to give european scheme purview and picks for indianapolis the cutoff race before the playoffs and before we get started before we get started the second cycle i._b. Remissed yeah be remiss if i didn't announce something big okay all right ladies and gentlemen this this past week. We all took a big step. We did some of us bigger than others. Yeah and i would like to say happy birthday. Hey to wilson who turned seventy four years old this past week sir congratulations you did it. You're done done it again to us. Another year around this crazier yup seventy four years old and it's my mid life crisis to yes it is it's definitely is changing careers careers. I may or may not have purchased a motorcycle the other day another one jesus christ career work. You're not going to be the for all well. Now you will now you will exactly so well. That's good but yeah no happy birthday buddy. Oh god god isn't yours somewhere around this time to or should i mind's in april april mines in april but my kids is on monday. Why we're gonna have a teenager so that's brutal. Dude and style live with her. I haven't ever he's home schooled. She stays stays in the house. All the tile really worried about we've got issues. So how does that work to somebody else. Come over to teach is that. I think her grandmother knows. She's a teacher so she is certified to be a teacher. Learn all they give them a lesson plan and away. They go all right well. That's all right then because i've always wondered about that because you know i've heard of people being home schooled before and i don't know if that means like the parents do it or if they have ah hire somebody like usually the parents do it yeah or somebody who has like some kind of certification and the time to do it right so yeah so that's that's that i find that fascinating. We can have whole show just on that but i don't think anybody else wants to hear it <hes> yeah. We'll start new podcast yeah we'll do. We'll do a new one one episode podcastone patriot on where do actually it'll be. It'll be a series on patriot and going how would you would you look at that as where we come up with things that we didn't know where possible and just research exactly and then i'll ask you a ton of questions about a homeschooling which you'll them relay answers based on your best. Guess based on what your your child had said to you for exactly not there to see yourself so i mean you know. I can't be here all hearsay. At this point i mean you could you could go up there but i would not wish that on you allegedly allegedly this person did this exact can say you start every answer with allegedly allegedly from a source source awesome all right so let's talk about the playoff picture <hes> because allegedly there are fourteen drivers locked into the playoffs as we head into the brickyard this sunday afternoon <hes> but there are still two spots up for grabs and any number of drivers could get in <hes> so drivers in right now you got cobbled any hamlet martin tricks exchange their leading the way with four victories on have the plow points in front of me but they have four wins then break his laskey three wins joey logano chase elliott kevin harvick two wins each <hes> kurt busch expo- merrick jones one win <hes> those guys all in on victories although they'd be on point anyway then your points guys right now collar collar him brian blaney william byron eric morel all those guys points which means we've got to two spots. What's up for grabs. Oh sorry i mean the pop the mic there <hes> those two spots are currently occupied by clint boyer who was plus eight so it's definitely not a safe margin i and then daniel suarez who is tied right now with ryan newman but he's got the tiebreaker on either tops top ten's. He's ahead in both categories <hes> and then jimmy johnson than eighteen points back beyond him. It's very hard for someone to get an appoints anybody else though anybody who he didn't mention could go out there and win the race of their fulltime driver driver on sunday and get themselves in boot one of those guys out. What's the likelihood. You think <hes> pretty slim. I mean although we have seeing guys like paul menard win at the brickyard. I mean it's not unheard of for somebody. You would never expect to win this race but i i think that i think that the usual suspects the guys who already mentioned as having win <hes> great shot at winning again in this race and then when you look at those guys who are fighting for that last spot i'd say that both with boyer and surprisingly i would say johnson have a shot at winning this race about suarez and newman although maybe source on i'm taking thinking i think and we're we're. We're where we're at now. <hes> <hes> we're not gonna the first time when i can guarantee you that i think indy requires a lot more horsepower the most and so big teams right yeah <hes> so a lot of these guys who you know behind it not not gonna be there less everyone wrecks and then we we get something really funny but yeah i mean when i looking at this now barring a win from those four guys on the bubble <hes> we might be we were at right now. I don't see swore like the stores. John newman thing might be fine. I think johnson has to winner. He's out. I think so. I think it's a it's a winner winner winning in your it's it's the stupid stage. Points could be up to a twenty point swing for him. <hes> and that's the only i yeah but when jimmy johnson's one what two stages this year now so. It's not necessarily like that's that's going to be like. He's hang hung his hat on that. Have you hung his hat on that. He tare position. Let's be on and he's never really been a stage winner type of guy no <hes> of those of those guys who've one of our in this this is. I don't wanna get too far into next week when we talk about the playoffs but of those guys who have won so far i mean you could point to alex bowman. Eric jones is being like the casual winners. There's like the unexpected winners but i don't know that they are unexpected winners and they both want me jones just wanted for darlington and so you know i it unlike other years where there's one guy who wins and you're like oh yeah i mean. He is like the first guy out. I don't see that quite yet here. No i mean i they ran well before have bomas gone through a gong show this past the second half of the season yeah he he has not been running well since his win win <hes> <hes> eric jones. I think it's been running well. I mean we've documented that too. We were always thought he was on the cusp of <hes> of getting another win <hes> mm-hmm. I would almost say it's hard to say this because he runs well but chase. Elliott's not a guy who i've been. She's been tearing up the world. He's been off a little bit recently but you still know that he can can. I mean the last year you look great in the playoffs and <hes> and any of those guys could win. Bowman wanted chicago air jones one at darlington. Not gimme tracks not like you know you're daytona talladega type of tracks and so i look at those winters i'm like that's pretty good field man especially and even even looking at the guys in points pretty good william. Byron is the only shaky one there for me yeah william buyer. Maybe a merola. Maybe two i mean. He hasn't been again another guy. Who hasn't i've not been on on my radar all that much <hes> not recently. He's there but he's not there. You know what i mean yeah <hes> but yeah i mean even blaney has had a struggle recently. Komo has man <hes>. I could see him winning this weekend. Though because that's a horsepower track and penske always comes bigger indie <hes> the only to lose to a chevy <hes> but still <hes> blaney has impressed me all that much either nor does horribly embarrassed like that last field field i mean kyle larson maybe but kyle larson as the season's gone on has gotten better and better so he's on the aids on the upward swing whereas guys like blaney byron and and amrollah they're just kind of there. I'm looking at blaming stats right now. He's not bab recently. Actually i mean in the last one two three four five six races. He's actually a four top ten to those were tenth so it doesn't feel like a top ten right. He's a four top tens of the twenty fourth thirteenth at darlington so he's actually quietly been better than i felt like he was racing. Yeah i think so too but at the same time it's just it's not it's not enough for me to believe in him in a in in a quick three race you know when that whole thing and that that's the thing she gotta be able to string three excuse me three zero together and and for the guys who aren't like really really hitting on all cylinders right now that's where you get a little worried and al moral a definitely falls in that category his last couple of races seventeenth darlington twenty ninth at bristol thirty third at michigan again twelfth at the glen told the pocono eleventh and loud and fourteenth and kentucky's last time was daytona so you know you can put a little asterix next to it yeah exactly all all over the place. It's gonna be interesting. I think i think we're gonna have a good is much better at the beginning of the year yeah exactly i think this race is going to be interesting because we're not used to a big track track being the the final race <hes> plus package. I mean it's gonna be a weird race because there's just gonna be like flat-footed all the way around and it's going to be really about momentum. I would thank you know you've got to get that. Horse power has got to get you up to speed quick and then you just can't left hardly lift of those guys so by the guys who are on the bubble him <hes> your started talking about this but boy is eight points of the good suarez newman tied and then jimmy johnson eighteen points back. I'm gonna pull up. There stats here but of those guys like i mean. Who do you think has the best chance. And who do you think is going to be the little tiny bit worried right right now given his luck this year. The guy who should be worried is clint boyer yeah honestly like he has not had the best luck this year <hes> in that case ryan i newman could be the lucky guy because i think ryan newman's a guy who if the row package can give him speed which has been known to do <hes> he is a good. He's a good open. Open open gas driver like pedal down. Don't let up don't give up <hes>. I think suarez could be in a little trouble by me. I honestly think that voyeur what what's going to happen and how it's gonna play boy is going to get into iraq or get mechanical problems be really pushed back and newman's whereas get in so here's a couple of interesting interesting stats <hes> just looking at the averages at indy okay in the last ten races <hes> actually there's career as career <hes> daniel daniel suarez only a couple of races but his average finish twelve point five clint boyer <hes> his average finish fourteen point to jimmy johnson is average finish fifteen point four or ryan newman his average finish sixteen point four of course johnson is one of four frigging times newman wants the other guys haven't won there at all but they have better average which finishes so nobody's really terrible here <hes> they all have relatively decent average finishes and the guy who's won the most is guy who's who's also struggling the most right now to true but when you look at his his average was what fifteen you said <hes> he's won four races there what the hell the other time <hes> and a whole lot. I guess yeah exactly so i mean those four wins definitely skew that number a little bit but <hes> yeah newman's one here newest one in the clutch to one that one race where he needed to win as they were kicking him out the door at stewart haas so when he has the ability to do it. It's just no matter of him actually go in and get it and hope for the best his rouse recruitment doesn't falter on him so yeah so let's look at the stats for each of these drivers arhus recently <hes> starting with boyer <hes> because he's got the the point lead has been running relatively. Well i mean it was seven the bristol he was sixth in darlington arlington but before that he had that string of bad luck and it was thirty seven in michigan twentieth at the glen where he got run into eleven pocono and twentieth at loudon <hes> so the past couple of races he stepped it up but before that he was he was like you said he was the bad luck guy <hes> suarez not bad at all recently eleventh darlington eighth before that briscoe bristol v that michigan's seventeenth at the glen and then he had a couple of bad races before that <hes> ryan newman has been up and down but he's definitely one hundred percent he was so hot between michigan and loudon between michigan the landing of one two two three four five top tens and six races since that point. He hasn't finished in the top ten one two three four in the last five times out. He's the one who's he's really been tanking it and then with jimmy johnson very similar situation where johnson had that brief that the kind of brief push forward back around chicago or so oh and then list oh man. How is he going to get in his last one two three four five six races sixteenth at darlington nineteenth bristol thirty four th at michigan nineteenth at the glen fifteenth pocono thirtieth at loudon an kentucky that great bob. That's terrible not not like just outside. The top not even top fifteen only one top fifteen in that spill. My gosh release one top ten in the i mean. How is he going to. He's got you're right. He's got to win. He's got to go out there and win and the likelihood of that even though he's got four not going to happen i now now. That's a and i will say this boy at the both michigan raises which i think michigan kinda similar to indian terms of speed and everything like that yeah thirty seven thirty five live backed it into a wall. I think both is now. <hes> you know. None of these guys were terribly good at pocono. Boyer was eleventh there <hes> he was best out of that bunch but he was fifth in the the one that was a few weeks earlier yeah <hes> yeah i'm looking at the first one now and he was he was fifth there and then <hes> and then swore was eighth in that first pocono race and diane johnson nineteenth and <hes> and fifteenth in his two yeah man i tell you it looks like jimmy. Johnson is not gonna make it in without some sort of miraculous effort. Maybe if they have checked canals show up on the pit box can do well. He's going to be there like he'll. He'll be there because he's going to be a guy who's in the playoffs. I know right so if jimmy doesn't make it in should should he just hang it up. Should he just call it quits how long ally deal for i don't know that's the thing i mean if it's for if it's for three years then he'll play that out but yeah it's it's getting to the point. Where it's you know we kind of hinted at it last year too. It's like why you know just jimmy. Does jimmy need. It's a little bit of a <hes> <hes> i dunno. It's a little bit of a knee jerk reaction. Yeah i think sought allies twenty twenty jimmy johnson's things up at twenty twani any does the farewell tour and he's done maybe his his average finish since two thousand seventeen sixteen point eight sixteen point seven actual bit better this year at sixteen point two and three three wins <hes> all in two thousand seventeen of course known eighteen hundred two thousand nineteen. I i don't want to say it's time and because because i honestly think you can't on one hand thing where you can't drop off that fast i mean who drops off that fast but then when you look at the past couple of years you're like oh. The dropoff hasn't been that fast. We're three years away from his last championship yeah which was three years away from that which was three years away from that. I tell so maybe maybe who knows i mean i in india in two thousand fifteen twenty two top ten twenty two top ten and thirty six races then into thousand sixteen sixteen top tens in thirty six races than the past three years eleven eleven and now eight so it's not just a one year thing. I mean if you'd asked me without looking at the sats. I'll be like jimmy is still plenty. Good enough to go out there and win. He can still go out there and win. He could still even win a championship but now i'm looking at these numbers of mike o. V. garnaut yeah. It's it's a little misleading though because the whole chevy thing because chevy botch terrible last year they really did watch it on the camaro so it's it's you know it's hard to tell what the real i mean what other chevy driver you looking at it and say the order dominated none of them none of dominated so yeah so it's hard. It's hard to know if it really is like jimmy's losses step or you. You know it's just the chevy thing is they've gotten so far behind. They're just now starting to recover. I mean i would. I would think that that jimmy will give it at least one more year. At least one more defined out for real. I think one begets another because you look at it. We've got a one two three four five of the fourteen fourteen. They're locked in our that our chevy's in the playoffs yeah but how many winston i have <hes> what have we got to chase elite to bowman juan bush one and then bush one and that's it but still the the point is this is a jimmy johnson not even points true true so i mean the other guys are running well in getting that larson and his own teammate and byron you know in on points right now so yeah you make a good point there <hes> yeah it's interesting interesting though it's very interesting these out at indy yeah and maybe just maybe people will show another yeah no showing. That's the thing so there were forty. Seven thousand people was the <hes> was apparently the sold out attendance at darlington and forty seven thousand people. That's that's not bad right and if obviously the stance looked really good on t._v. They're estimating this is from the guy from so you you know oh. Adam stern said that yeah at altered his wasn't he the guy who <hes> birthday that i've read while i was reading the estimated fifty thousand this weekend from the forbes guy from from the gown forbes said i'm stern no not some other some other so take it with a grain of salt but the guy from forbes was saying that they were estimating fifty thousand thousand people. Were going to show up this weekend and you're like that's more. That's more than darlington right problem. I can go. I want to get the exact number knbr had got an evening zack number indianapolis align the way all right indianapolis motor speedway right capacity impermanent seats not even in the infield permanent seats at indianapolis motor speedway two hundred. I'm fifty seven thousand three hundred twenty seven <hes> and if you include the the the field they can get a total of four hundred thousands what it says granted. I don't know where else they're putting them but but it's big infield so maybe it's all need to i don't know but one way or the other two hundred fifty seven thousand three hundred and twenty seven seats then you're starting to do the math and you're like oh crap. A fifty thousand people show up. I mean some places twenty percent full time to leave indianapolis purpose. Yeah i think so and it's time it's time to just bail and it's not the fifty thousand people is bad. It's okay we saw that at darlington. It was a good figure to get out to a race. It's an all right number nowadays but the problem is when you unless they're combining those people to like just the front stretch it. There's no way there's no way you win it because if they're all spaced out it looks like nobody's there and if the do combine the people to those fifty thousand people to a certain number of sections is like say on the front stretch then that means that every time they're going around the corner. You're just paying him right by just empty vast expanses of bleachers. I it was adams turner between that and it was it okay so it's i mean if they really and the thing is okay so you know maybe that estimate is low and maybe an extra fifty percent show up so now you're a seventy five thousand people. The place still holds two hundred fifty seven thousand three hundred twenty seven people. It's gonna look empty. It's gonna look by the way scoring home or even if you're alone also this weekend and what's driving ticket sales yeah florida georgia line foul. Oh god not again. Not these guys again now. Listen wilson apparently the florida georgia line fast. It's up thirty percent for the track uh-huh why why why means the l. y. O. year rear euro rear okay so it's up. It's up thirty percent year over year for the track. Oh my god this year. Oh boy you guys in for a treat. Not only will florida georgia line be there. Oh yes please now only will nellie be there no way really of course he's gonna do a song with we'll out jeff gordon. Yeah blanco brown will be there who canaan smith and payton smith then peyton eight p manning to mitchell ten penny all mitchell way who and if if if you can't get enough florida georgia line uh-huh the nonunion equivalent dan and will be there as well the band that kind kind of sounds like rascal flatts mix with really do i every time i hear them unlike is this rascal flatts <hes> thirty nine dollars tickets. That's how starting yeah see that right now. I just got to the site thirty five bucks. That's good. That's what they need to be doing but it's not gonna be enough. Listen the the not going to be enough now. Plus you get there. You get the full pack ladies and gentlemen. If you can get the indy and within the day you can go to f g._l. Fest the concert tickets saturday night. You can go to the vodka four hundred at the brickyard but when you go to the cup practice indie two indiana to to fifty it's forty bucks saturday forty bucks to see florida georgia line and all those scrubs debt no t._l._c. You won't be there. Oh man <hes> listen. This gosh no scrubs if you want the entire package and <hes> <hes> how are they doing this. What is this could be the worst thing. I've ever seen some really bad website. I i'm shocked how bad the website is by the yeah. That's that's indianapolis. Yeah it'd be way. I'm really actually because i can't navigate can't figure out how much it costs. If you wanna go to everything can use like a hundred and twenty eighty dollars. It's so bad then. I guess i don't know i mean you know just just for the florida georgia line alone yeah so after afterwards one hundred twenty dollars plus delivery fee for the florida georgia line and nascar weekend package which gives you both the xfinity and the cup race and you get to see <hes> florida georgia line the their lesser ze dan shea and nellie will be talking about how it's hot and her her and and he's gonna drive fast see call me jeff gordon and that black s s within shown thirty five bucks gets you into the lawn areas in the infield <hes>. I'm good seats still available. It appears plenty of good seats because they're still doing. I'm looking at the grandstands now. They don't show you like the little dots for like what individual all seats are left but but lots of grandstands lots of it looks like they might have a couple that they're not selling like north vista and then the south vista. It looks like they might and not even be selling those at all. My god nellie starts at six forty five then danny shade eight o'clock followed by florida georgia line why not break come up with nellie in the middle sieg you wash you wash the dan shea out of your mouth exactly because the same thing for essentially three hours yeah basically soclean's which i guess if you're a florida georgia line fan. You're dealing with that over how many albums they put out all right. I think maybe you're okay with and there's going to be pros out there who were playing the florida georgia line and the dan shea before they go into the concert from their terrible pioneer who knows mitchell ten penny man. How do i it sounds. He sounds guy who should be on a british talk show yeah. He totally doesn't like you should be hosting. He looks he looks like he looks like a for a guy who would be if if rutledge wood was a country singer with ball cap on in shape there you go mitchell ten penny everybody for buddy mitchell tim penny thirty years old and made it in country music. There's hope for me yet. I've never heard of bronco brown. Either i never heard of mitchell ten penny no neither of europe listening to country rock and rb incited vince gill john mayer michael jackson amongst his musical influences in skill as bad as he attended attendant lipscomb academy in nashville where he played football then he enrolled in middle tennessee state university where i originally intended to play college football but became more interested in being in a band he graduated with a business degree. Nobody nobody goes to middle tennessee's. What was it middle tennessee middle tennessee state university university expecting expecting that they're gonna play college football. I don't know mt does does get beat up by the volunteers and sometimes windsors matches every now and again. Oh come on you. You go you go to middle tennessee state university. If you wanna play you know like high level high school football or if you wanna play mid major bath ask me. We're mid major basketball. Exactly i will i will give you. I will give you a guess of what their mascot is. Oh middle middle tennessee middle tennessee state immerse murfreesboro tennessee man. I don't know like the coal miners or something <hes> the blue raiders of the blue rate of course without reader antonio brown's feet a i thought it was his hands. It was his feet knows his feet okay all right. They'd have to cut off anything. Does he have a mall. It just just skin okay like have you seen his feet. No i haven't seen him. I've heard the whole thing but having said that. I just thought it was his hands. No how do we know how he managed to do that yeah because he went into cryogenic freezing chamber without the proper footware on gave him like basically if there's any kind of safety equipment antonio brown's like no screw it. I'm not wearing any of it. Nah nah. That's not me bro. They're like but you get no no i. I don't own get hurt now. Gimme that helmet from nineteen twenty seven and his his his second togo's over top of his big toe. Oh my god because of that or just normal just in general mike khanna does mankind does a little bit. Is that bad does that mean. I'm gonna die or something. You're just a freak denounce you for it. It's just a little bit out of it goes over top of the crap. I'm gonna have to go see the foot doctor to find out if i'm gonna die. We're all going to die was true so that means. It's probably a sign fine that that it's going to happen but that's gonna happen. Sooner or later this can happen between now and when it does happen wow so yeah. I mean the oh my wow. That's what happened <hes> yeah. It's just all the peeling oh boy. I mean if you're good. If that's going to happen to you. Oh my god that's terrible but it's fine. No it's just like think of it like when you have a sunburn. Oh you're peeling your skin the opposite it's it's the opposite of december yeah. That's just like wouldn't you want to your mill potato chip string cheese. He likes string cheese and if you're going to have that happen habit because you were like climbing everest or something because you went to the cairo genetic freeze put your socks on for christ's sake just put the late fetal the right shoe wear wow man he should have been wearing that. He should have been wearing that high safety helmet for a lot longer than they're trying to make him do it. Yeah <hes> speaking of fancy footwork method invented oh trying to get himself a job. You know the top ten another top ten at darlington arlington. I mean we still were still for me. I'm still in that gray area where you don't know it's just one year. We've got one. The sample size is too small so we don't know if it's just you know he just seems seems to be clicking right now. He's like doing the whole playoff year thing where he's racing a little bit better because he knows something the race for <hes> or if this is legit you know and you can look at alex bowman. You could say hey you know alex. Bowman could be the guy to play off of here. He's he's been okay not great but he's been okay these one race so you know maybe a team should take a flyer on him but other teams. I'm sure are afraid because there's just not a long enough established this gesture to know what you're gonna get but i mean what other what other driver. If you're a team owner out there can come up to you and say hey six top tens in the last ten or whatever races i mean nobody can say that that's available for a gig right now. Yeah and i'm with you on that small sample size situation <hes> i'm at a point where even with all these top ten's who knows if if the car is going to be as good as as was given to him with the gibbs parts and that's the thing you know i mean one of the one of the ideas that had britain down here's front row because obviously <hes> david bragan retiring but him moving the pharaoh isn't going to elicit the same type of result <hes> yeah i wonder under because the i want to believe that he's a better racecar driver when he was just in crappy cars prior and they finally got a time the shine now but i don't. I don't like in my heart of hearts. I don't feel it like he made the number ninety five better than it's ever been before but at the same time time you know i don't know if it's sustainable when he goes to another car. This is the perfect scenario for michael waltrip racing if there was still michael waltrip he's right up their alley man a guy. Who's you know the people like he's very marketable in his own weird kind of cookie way and capable of over achieving because i'd entire hire michael waltrip racing team was about getting into a car that maybe shouldn't have been doing his walls it should and getting that out of it yeah and an all points to him because he actually did like like he said at the beginning. We didn't believe in investing himself in going to the levine family racing come on that's but he's making the most of it a bad ship in that heart there but the question is where would he go to. I know there's no. There's no rides open up. There's nothing there's nothing for him. Except for mid major teams again front front aerobic step down the the other thing the other possibility is we don't know again what's going to happen with kurt busch and but the thing is if bush would leave guinness. I don't think that i don't think it'd depend that was first in line. They're gonna say you do that to ross. Chastain really screw them over like that. Yeah especially especially chastain stain steps up in winston truck series championship <hes> yeah i mean it it again. Asi right probably is only hope but even then. I don't think he would get it. The only step up i can think of because obviously it's not gonna happen at children's. We'll talk about children's here in a second. It'd be a lateral move. He went to the rash. Though route has has their own thing going on too so yeah yeah but they they would have to start another car. I mean what would they do. Yeah they had to start well. The well depending upon what what happens with tyler riddick yeah yeah that you know they have to start another car anyway yeah exactly <hes> yeah so let's talk about that and then we'll go back to the rav all trademark thing <hes> uh-huh so that's the other half of the equation is matthew benedetto has to deal with guys like tyler radic who <hes> richard childress said hey. I think that at some point or another some way or another radic is going to be in the cup series in twenty twenty now he's leading the xfinity series points right now. He's got a couple of wins in that series <hes> going to be in the plus can be a major factor in the play offs very likely could win the championship or come very very close to it and when you can win in that series repeatedly then oh you deserve the opportunity to move up the problem is where and so i was reading on the interwebs and something referred to as a dustin elbino what's that i don't know that's what it says. He tweeted that henrik that daniel hamrick is iffy on a status next year in the car and that could pave the way to read it to head to our cr in the eight car or they're also rumors from <hes> adams azan stern yeah. Adam stern said that he may be talking <hes> tyler riddick to our cr. Sorry the rash <unk> r f r rush racing or there's even a possibility let me children's could start a third car for him. It's all about money. Honestly it's all about sponsorship and so when you got when you've got one guy one guy that has three potentials there. You know take over for him. Rick <hes> third card are cr or a car at fenway either third car or i guess what else would he do. I mean you have to have a third car. They're not getting rid of stenhouse. My guess is they're probably not get murderer newman so when you've got that one guy who's got three options shins and your mattie benedetto you're trying to get one and this one guy is locking out three potential options for you makes it that much harder <hes> yeah and both <hes> newman and steinhaeuser signed through twenty twenty one yeah and that's the other thing and henrik by the way signed through the end of twenty twenty which again one of those things is where why are we. It's a young kid. I know right like why are we having this discussion. Why are we. Why are we done with him already. Why are we so impatient. You should mccall ready. You know i'm i'm not saying he's if either maybe that's a hamrick thing. Maybe he wants to get out right right but at the same time it's just like why why are we getting rid of these young drivers or giving them such a short shelf life. I know it's not like sponsors for everyone. Else's rolling in i mean the the riddick situation and they have to get a sponsor for him so it's not it's not a matter of oh. He's bringing sponsorship. We're going to give him mariah like a paul menard thing so i mean i don't understand why we're throwing the baby out with the bath words because of a a slight down year for a guy who's still adjusting to the cup level from from xfinity. Now you know an henrik. I mean his results have not been that great. They haven't been but there have been <hes>. They've been glimpses of doing. Well amuse twelve bristol. He was seven a couple of weeks back pocono <hes> he was fifth at talladega yeah but you know it's talladega but it's got a couple of top fifteen pocono and michigan. <hes> and sonoma's had three top fifteen in a row there so it's not like he's not getting adding handle on the car every so often. It's just consistency and these young kid. I mean obviously it's going to be hard for me in his first full season yeah so i mean i like i like how everything is is just great for nascar that they're just blowing up their young stars early and often yeah. You know i mean i i would think i i why do you think the toddler deserves an opportunity <hes> but also think miss your guess what there's a lot of guys who does deserve an opportunity doesn't necessitate take them getting it but but but at the same time i agree that you know guys shouldn't get one shot in a car one year and then if he doesn't somehow magically become the next ex- you know ryan newman jimmy johnson winning races rookie year tony stewart something like that that you gotta chuck him out of the car and get somebody else in. That's the last their rules man. Nascar really needs to just go. It's one hundred five cars just fill out the field for crisis exactly because there are guys like hendricken stewart hossam either teams that we'll be willing to field extra cars over there four to give a young really talented driver an opportunity if we have this then. I don't think the better delegates out of that ninety five right. Oh oh no not at all because gibbs just start the car. That's it and read. It doesn't jump from chevy ford right yeah. He wouldn't have to exactly <hes> rawal is coming up and they ruined this month there. They ruined the ruined. The chicane dude that's fine so dependent data was driving the pace car the toyota pace car <hes> because he's super nice they're firing him and he's still doing promo bits for them <hes> so <hes> so he drove the pace karan. It's probably going to be about thirty miles per hour slower through the chicane on the backstretch in all honesty. What they've done is the correct thing because the shape of that <hes> the shape of that chicane now is going to promote heartbreaking which means more opportunities to pass and more interesting track layout or before was just like cadillac little extended bus stop area but the great thing about the rover was the crazy ass stuff that would happen going through that fricking backstretch chicane and everybody just like flat out you know running in the crap and so it takes away some of the fun i think yeah but i mean safety got to be thinking about that right well. That's the thing i think in the end. I'd rather have a better race but still we'll share. You know. Obviously we all would but <hes> but you know some some of the like just totally out of control. Madness is fun too sometimes well yeah. No we chaos when is that when is that race was the twenty ninth <hes> monster energy federated a bank of miravall. It is september twenty-ninth yes last sunday the month because remember last year i missed it because it was missed it for complaining for it was the john john scott russell spectacular from face from the in in the faceoff draft show exactly this year i will be back in time to see the mobile and then you do it when youtube live kills everything so we can't. We have to go through things weight. Is there no l. Youtube youtube live. There's no go hang out saying well if you hang outs on the air. That's the thing anymore it isn't. They shut that down when they shut down that we we we have to use oh bs s. for <hes> for splitter in coder old something bastard dirty old bastard shit oh yeah so did they shut down google hangouts when they shut down google because we're doing it through google hangouts. Oh when they shut down they shut down the google hangouts on air which is aw which is the live b yeah okay so now we have to use another liking coding system to transfer it to you. Live <unk> socks back great set the not ideal is they're going to be scottie scottie in and johnny show for the <hes> for the ravel. I don't know because i think i'm working at that day. So we'll find out because once i might be able to participate in if there is one debbie wonderful could i haven't talked to johnny forever man who has a me. I talked to him yesterday the other day exactly exactly it all right so let's get the rest of the show in here. <hes> we were talking about that. Oh my god okay so because in their infinite wisdom nascar said yes to this netflix net flicks is trying their best to continue the process of just nasty car falling completely too little tiny pieces and then swept onto a dustbin and thrown into can <hes> because they've announced. I can't believe i'm saying this out. Loud <hes> a an upcoming nascar themed comedy to start next year starring kevin james as a crew chief of some sort of team or some stupid crap like that while they've front of ideas. Just we need just what we need. When people are not coming to the track but then you get a little pop little pop darlington low pop bristol not not that great poodle pop darlington arlington. Maybe a little extra interest in the sport. Let's ruin it by having kevin james and some writers from paul blurt mall cop <hes> just think roll out all the old stereotypes about nascar and trying to talladega nights all over again but on a weekly basis yeah no this is not this is not going due to its its king of queens but in a nascar setting. I don't want that no. I don't want this show. I don't know who call for this show. I know who said edited show. Was that what we need it. What's missing. You bet it only cup as chief. Get there get the hell out of here with that. Now i haven't having i also have not seen the nascar wives thing but i can't ima- i can't imagine that's probably just as bad well. It's reality t._v. About nascar wives of course it's bad yeah yeah any kind of reality show that follows allies or somebody that doesn't involve challenges aside from everyday life no so and going back to what you were talking about before with antonio brown so i'm watching on <hes> was it e._s._p._n. Or h._b._o. There was doing it <hes>. They're doing a show about <music> out the the the oakland raiders h._b._o. Now h._b._o. And i'm watching this. I'm like him man. Even though you know i know that what's his name is annoying but i i kind of. I liked the moment football jagger jon gruden even though i know people find him annoying. I thought it was great on monday night football <hes> yes. He's just abaga cliches. That's all he is. He's just a huge bag of cliches. I get that but i'm watching this tan the sanchez why can't nascar do a show like this like even those mundane deign football stuff. I'm like damn that's kind of interesting and then we get this crap with kevin james a nascar wives and wilson. They did that show before they did did that. Show with the with the it's bradshaw guys and it was it was good yeah. They need to do that again. That's what they need to do again. Oh we'll pitch it. Let's again. Let's pitch it to all right. We'll try to what's old is new again. Yeah yeah what team for front row maybe for o._b. Goodwin for what would be fun yeah some- somebody who's i actually you'll levine family. Racing will be very interesting. We'll be very interesting to see this year. Oh sure you know with the with the whole you know. They're they're coming in struggling case. King didn't do anything in the damn car. Now you put the benedetto and all the sudden he oh the beginning episodes. They're really kind of poop in the bed and all of a sudden they start winning those controversy with the driver be fascinating. It would be absolutely fascinating great. I think that overall it would be <hes> <hes> would be good. <hes> it's never going to happen. I know do that show all right. Let's talk about indie <hes> so big race so defeated about indy. I know because of the forget i i i saw a motor g._p. Motorcycle racing moral motorcycle racing <hes> they did a race for a couple of years at indianapolis and it was a a big to do because it's the first time since nineteen fifteen or fourteen or something like that there was a motorcycle race in indianapolis legendary circuit you know they laid laid out a road course which actually the car guys used to this day and they suffered the same thing they could sell tickets. They could sell fifty sixty thousand thousand tickets and for them. That was good. I mean for the united states. That's a good number but the but they suffered the same problem it was just huge cavern of a place and even when you put sixty thousand people inside of it looks empty in the optics were so bad that they were like nope. We're not going to do this anymore. We wanted a place where we can have you know eighty thousand presence you know the whole thousand people and eighty thousand people in the stance you know and that's that's you know. That's what nascar needs to face up to. They should be an ira happy they shouldn't be. They shouldn't be at the big track. I don't think i don't think so. I think the allure of india's gone to nascar this it is it's not the five hundred it was the five hundred first but it's not anymore so you move on. It's it's finding move on to move upward. Yeah yeah i i. I mean it's it's sad to say okay because india such a historic place but if it wasn't on the schedule in twenty twenty one i would not be upset i would. I would be happy actually him. It will be sad in a way but it will be great in a way because then they could go someplace where they could put asses in the seats and it would look great and nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd. You know so it's like hey i want to be in the crowd again. I know at any and that's what they need to do. Smaller tracks <hes> you know the seat. Less people have people waiting in line for tickets because that makes more people want to buy tickets. It gets when mega demand for it exactly create some damn demand even if it's artificially create the demand <hes> okay so at any rate in these this weekend it is a huge race because the cutoff race talked about drives. We think might get it out that might come back around in the picks but refer right now <hes> how many cars we have do. We have forty foti nice. It's cody foty. Everybody wants a shot to win it any because it's very special with this rule package could could be very daytona like if you make the right call tires aren't going to be as is critical because the cars are going to be slower so who knows maybe somebody makes pick call layton and some big because of it so i guess that's why they're forty. <hes> pete schemes means <hes> so <hes> what i haven't. I haven't looked at him at all since my i look through <hes>. What do you like. What don't you like. I will start by saying that the double zero looks kinda cool even though i i don't know what shirts scherf it's the perfect company. Shurfa companies obviously the sheriff. It looks like a critical. It's like a cream columnist pretty nice. <hes> <hes> the one that jumps out and good or bad is the meyer car for erica merola the black and then all of a sudden pu blue. It's it's very <hes> it's very though matt kenseth very mckinsey from back in the day another meyer car to kerr's <hes>. That's that's out there. The matyszak car that looks nice. I like the blue on blue with yellow. They south eastern equipment and supply incorporates. Ooh yeah that was really nice. I like that when that's better than the what's going on with david reagan's car. It looks like some kids just had a marker and drew on it. What is manning. It's managing commercial. Of course it is. How do you not know about many man commercial. Go fuck no nothing they do luxury vinyl carpet and resilient resilient flooring they do yeah. They're out of calhoun georgia. Had you not know about <hes> yeah. I guess i didn't come on just like you don't know about the shirt company. I didn't and family owned construction company essentially the anna. How do you not know about them but i use them for everyone in my major building projects in central indiana central indiana which i don't know how they have the money to it on the car but whatever say yeah looking up into oh of course my winner this week i think i know which one is it is it because i just got don't like what the hell is going on. There and i also like how honest abe is in the background behind the number two very bizarre this a very a lot of construction -struction on this this weekend. I love that car that car so awesome wait to see it. It's super bad abe lincoln waving to you from a roof. I hope that it has honesty just like right on the front. Do they have the rights to use that on a car abe lincoln yeah who owns abe lincoln's likeness rights. I don't know oh. I don't know if anybody does abe is on the hood. Of course i was mad side picture on car dot com. You can't see the hood no but you you go to the sube abe is going to be on the hood you go to <hes> whatever this site is and you could see avon the hood there but it's not like i wanted all by twenty huge abe lincoln's stovepipe stovepipe hat but instead he's kind of off to the side a little bit but it's still still works still works for me no because if he was to the site still be around <hes> oh oh man and he woeful that's the problem he was off to the side. The combos car kyle busch series looks pretty dope to anything that jumps out to you gotten when you get down to the combos car. Worse combo's car was composed cheesy combos no c._f. Of the week i'm surprised neither their his of the of the j. t. g. cars are on here no they aren't i mean there is one. We just aren't seeing it. <hes> ninety five looks okay. I you couldn't tell that was a bird at first that red thing those red splotch and it was like oh god slayer again. They're going to get banned. <hes> that does kinda just look like yeah. I know right the net <hes> go parts. Go parts of weird but okay <hes>. I like the numbers on the fifty one a little shack that little shadowy say it's the same numbers on the fifty three and fifty four <hes> yeah. Oh yeah you're right. It looked better on the fifty one though shadowy bit a forty forty two looks alright <hes>. I think that's it. There was one other one. I thought looked hang on scrolling up. I'm scrolling up scroll up now that would those that was last one yep because more way back onto the double zero again. I think there should be a buckshot jones scheme every week buckshot at the track ever we exactly donna stay one is by far the best. I wins the weekend yeah. Obviously you'll squint and you'll see it is whoever leaders is passed sad thing is is they'll never die cast of it 'cause of. I'm sure it like this right. It'll be so exactly yes. I'm saying somebody owns right somebody does so. I guess we should make some picks. Oh my god. I closed my stats on. How my stats anymore you lost last week. No i'm sure i did i martin luther king junior direct yeah it was aw he was terrible and i had <hes> i had kyle larson finished second biggest kyle. Busch doesn't know how to drive now so <hes> uh yeah so what's eerie siri who owns abe lincoln's likeness rights. Oh yeah i'm getting nothing her series series. Not siri doesn't know what that means. It's now siri doesn't see your doesn't understand copyright low a. I'm typing them right now. Well you know i'm looking at it up as well <hes> the nevada lincoln's. What does that even mean anyway <hes> the lincoln division of ford motor company no. I don't think that's no thanks oh yeah that'd be. That'd be an interesting thing to be interesting to find out. There is somebody out. There is a lawyer can tell us how that works on his lawyers out there none of them listen to our show though because at some some point somebody's gonna do the same thing with our likeness and put it on a car sure and then peter with amherst it'll be it'll be in the draft plumbing or something like that. She had no obviously it's windows exactly in the the draft to windows and doors citing inciting fans <hes> all right so who you got this weekend. <hes> come on do it do it. Take take him taking all right all right. I'll take ryan blaney who wow really a big upham saying that he he would have a fast car. Tracy chapman is a very penske like thing for you to do. Give me eh who can i take can take can take <hes> <hes>. Let it give me you give me give me the llegado in this one logo at gimme lugano. I'll take him thinking forward. I'm thinking board lord afford all the time here so there aren't we did it ryan newman think i'm r- newman oh okay so <hes> cyber <hes> <hes> boyer suarez newman jimmy johnson what what he wanted do with those guys with guys in the for the slashed or or anybody else that could win their way in should we just should we just pick one guy who's most likely to tanakh boyer swears out or one guy guy who knows gonna make it or one guy who was going to make it out of well same thing i guess yeah well not win because you don't have to have win because i mean let's be honest. Boyer can go ahead and lose. No get everybody from boyer down. Pick one driver. That's going to get in <hes>. Oh ooh there ain't nothing nothing. It's gimme in this one. No it's really not because you could pick you could pick paul menard the win the frigging thing again and then he's in and he does run well here. I know right and he's and he's running. He's running penske power to austin dillon in nathan. L. takes whereas source okay <hes> all right. I can definitely take somebody other than swore as you know what in a <hes> man in a bit of a miracle jamea jimmy johnson. I know it's ballsy pick right. There man almost wanted to say matt benedetto but he's got winning indian. That's a tall tall a tough task yeah if he does greatest story of the year and my god i know. Would it ever be if it were the other way round. If india it was last weekend in this one was darlington. I might take a stab at it man. I might take a sabbath at the burrito that works so <hes> see. I got johnson. You've got swore as i. I think you're gonna win that one by the way thanks for as we'll get in. I think it can be honestly. I think it's gonna be swore as am i guess wars and boyer yeah things what it's going to be make sense yeah <hes> and then in the race. I've got some dude and you've got some other dude. <hes> the data you have blading'll any so if you want to find out who wins the race sir who gets in the playoffs and whether you should watch it or not a comeback next week or subscribe says the show you can do it on speaker. I tunes stitcher player dot f._m. Google play music iheart radio believe it or not they're still gonna leave us up there. <hes> any of the big ones go there type in the draft show. You'll be able to find the program for everything l. Surrounding the show late in the draft show dot com the big bad the beautiful. That's the big website facebook dot com slash in the draft. Show twitter dot com fratto instagram dot com is in the draft show is going to be an uptick soon have big uptick. Everybody give me ready can be three weeks s._e._o. Think of all the hashtags tags really make it happen. Gimme three steps three steps babies and let walk through that door. <hes> ladies and gentlemen four wilson mazda care yourself in someone else's has been in the draft wilson wise some history better history than last week is because it was all bad last week was fourteen ninety two christopher columbus sales early early sales across the atlantic ocean for the first time or starts to sail uber that ride through the boat that was whatever was back then england's parliaments in sixteen forty two bands public stage place. Oh about that hate when that happens what did incidentally with florida. Georgia line was formed star. Everyone was is right out. They can't have that eighteen seventy louisa and swain. I wonder a relatively greg's great so she's he's of laramie wyoming <hes> she becomes the first one in the united states to cast a vote legally after eighteen o seven awhile about that is to say there were some illegal ones beforehand ahead. Probably i'm sure <hes> she was also ranked fifteenth as a power forward by greg swain amaze nine thousand nine hundred sixteen the first i self service grocery store piggly-wiggly was opened in memphis tennessee piggly-wiggly who do you who do you think declared war on the nazis. I <hes> england close south africa. It seems like it was nineteen thirty nine. I'm sure that's completely wrong long. Apparently it's something of note the better if they declared war on i'm in nineteen forty seven that would have been hilarious tackling sixteen twenty twenty eight puritans settled salem <hes> as as they're ready to go before the witch trials and all ladies gentlemen this day in nineteen nineteen ninety-five yes i was there. The game changed at all for baseball twenty one thirty one character junior junior yes of course there was the time where the lights went out and they couldn't fix unless somebody whatever the point is this. He made it to the consecutive game he said in a way we went ladies and gentlemen. Hopefully we'll have a good consecutive game finish. I don't know what that meant but hope. Maybe they'll be twenty. One thirty one passes in this race who's to say eh no nascar. I'll find a way to say there was so make it happen honored caribbean he had yet nascar race named after kris did he had a car didn't yeah there kabbani at dover after nine eleven to is very eight wreck. All these things happen. Enjoy the race everybody. We'll talk to you next week pace <music>. Thanks for listening to in the draft with wilson laws. It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind. 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"Hey It's Kelly. Welcome to the Ringer podcast network for the next eight weeks three watchable. We'll be covering eight films. That are incredibly watchable. Despite having one major flaw so far we've covered the movie higher learning and this Wednesday. Bill Simmons Chris Ryan and Ryan. Russillo are talking about the nineteen eighty-five Wrestling Classic Vision Quest. So make sure and check out. The flawed rewatch ables unreachable. Feed on spotify. Or wherever. You get your podcasts Felt show partnering podcast network. I'm Clark joining me in a hallway and snowing Indianapolis Indiana Park feet of the NFL universe. This week it's Jamie Kelly Danny drafts. He's a baby. Yeah I love this time of year. Man a super excited about you like Indianapolis to combine host idea retail. It's not that I mean it's you know it's not necessarily like a tropical destination that we can go to in the cold winter months but the good thing is like a lot you can get around in these gigantic buildings and the walkways between the buildings. It was well designed to it to like get people around. So that's Kinda nice deaths is a convenient place and I would not be opposed to it remaining here for a long time. So the news speaking of Indianapolis is it last night. Nfl owners and the NFL PA met in a hotel in downtown Minneapolis. I was at hotel and I did what you do during Labor negotiations which is just sit around and wait for nothing. I was there for a few hours some reporters with their free longer. The players and the ownership were there for you know basically about ten pm trying to hammer through negotiation. This is a very strange association. This is not like it was in a decade ago now at the beginning of the CBI because there is no lockout More a year out from any potential deadline as far as a season not starting on time or training camp. Not Starting on time but yet there seems to be a sense of urgency. Nfl owners want to get a deal done by the league year This is really affecting a ton of competitive things that we're not thinking enough about as far as you know. Are there going to be two tags? This year is free agency. Going to have more money is going to be one hundred thousand dollar bump and the minimum pay this year or is that can happen next year if A. CBS hammered out this time next year. I mean they're a tone of little things at this affects and obviously it is gotten to be a very strange situation so essentially the NFL. Pa has forwarded the proposal to its players. They will vote in the next couple of weeks. But on the other hand Russell Wilson Richard Sherman and now Aaron Rodgers have come out and been huge critics of this proposed deal so you have some of the most influential players in football coming out against it the NFL. Pa is taking it to a vote. Whether or not you know. Mike Tannenbaum this morning made the point that the hundred thousand our bump day minimum pay is going to be huge for the rank and file. The bulk of players. Going forward I don't know how this plays out because I don't think anybody does when I stopped people in the hallway beat on the players side or the ownership side of the League office side. I get a different answer. Every single time It is a strange situation and it's going to affect a lot of things. Danny what do you think about this negotiation? So far mean. My basic sort of impression is that it's just happen extremely extremely quickly you referenced. The last time as having it dragged on and on and on and there was this threat of a strike and all stuff and this one is just moving extremely quickly. It kinda just snuck up on us in some of these changes that they're proposing in this in this new. Cba are pretty pretty massive. I mean you're talking about seventeen game season which is unheard of unprecedented. It's GonNa Change kind of everything about the sport is going to change strategies A whole bunch of stuff They're going to expand rosters potentially expand game day. Rosters change the off season. So one of the proposals is that they're going to have fewer padded practices meaning like less wear and tear on players during the off-season During preseason and Trang cap and all that so you could potentially have a different looking product in the beginning of the season because the football could actually be a little bit sloppier Things like that and we saw that a lot at the beginning of the last. Cba Yes. Because I don't think teams really figured out how to run practice exactly when there wasn't practice essentially this was not. You couldn't do to it as you couldn't do unlimited powder practices and I think it took a while for the average. Nfl coach to reckon with that fact. Yeah this is GonNa be something that if that that takes effect if it goes if it goes through and I was just reading piece on. Nfl DOT COM. It's I think Tomko sorrow said it's like on the one yard line and it's pretty much Shirley going to pass. We'll see if that happens. But this could have just momentous impact for the next three years like you're saying it's GonNa have it's GonNa make teams completely have to adapt to these new rules in the new style and and trying to get players all the way through the season whether that means they try and like you know do more wear and tear management things like that. It's just going to be very interesting to see how that I'll go so this is this is potentially massive massive so essentially what is left to be done and what some of the players have been cautious about. Some of the star players is that they don't think that the owners have given up enough for that seventeenth game. And I think the Alan Robinson who's one of the best receivers when you factor in who play quarterback in the NFL. A he said get franchise tag out of there. That's something that I've talked to. A lot of players about the franchise tag does so much. As far as keeping prices down for superstars Aaron Rodgers quite frankly it depresses value. And they're not getting anything close to that they're not getting any healthier games. They're not getting really anything. Except a couple of what are called quality of life concessions and that means you know less padded practice less time to show up in April or May and then You know some some training camp stuff give back and then the big thing is that it's been resolved that there not be a cap on the seventeenth game salary. Scratch was initially proposed last week and so I think that that is where a lot of the star players coming from. The the the packages commonly presented is not enough to add seventeen games which is another week of practice and other. I mean chance to get hurt. Yeah there's a lot of collisions seventeen. And so I think that that's the thing to watch. But again I think that The vote here is GonNa be very fascinating all of the votes whether that was on the executive committee or the player Reps. They've all been very close. And you only need fifty one percent here I. This is legitimately even though it seems very inside baseball. And you're out so I think the interest has has not been all that I think there's the interest is not nearly as high as it would be if if this was happening this time rancher because I don't think people think that games are being threatened or anything like that but I think from a competitive standpoint. This is one of the most interesting things in the last couple of years. How this all plays out when it plays out Jenny. Varietes reported They're kind of looking at when maybe push league year start back in. March eighteen th now get a franchise tag window. Does that change because they're CB uncertainty You know like if you're the cowboys right now. And Calvin Watkins reported. They won't even talk to Dak or Amari Cooper any serious way until those clarity on the situation yeah. You don't know anything you don't know if you're going to have to tax with totally changes how you approach the Byron Jones situation and the IRA cooper situation obviously the Dak Prescott situation. I mean they're going to tag can regardless or tried to sign him to a big deal. But if you're Patrick Mahomes do you wait until next year? You know when when there's more money I mean I don't. There are so many angles to this and I think that again because no games are being threatened. There's not a lot of attention on it but this is a huge huge deal for how the next decade football is going to shape up and I mentioned to see what happens. Yeah and even in the short term you know if this does go through it goes through today or in the next few days There's GONNA BE. I think there's been a backlog of activity that's without instead of just kind of like slowed everything down this has been a huge bottleneck to like deals getting done all that stuff. So if this goes through we conventionally see we could. We could pretty much quickly see like an avalanche of of movement from Mali. Things all the stories that we've been kind of waiting on so Definitely kind of an exciting time. It's GonNa be very very interesting to see how this all plays out okay. We've got that we've got the draft. Tom Brady might be agent. Yeah there's a million things happening Indianapolis Indiana this week into basically interest. Sport is here. Yeah bill ballot check standing in the rain at Middle Tennessee. State University watching draft prospect. That's all you need to know about bill now. What alleged actually see. That is absolutely middle. Tennessee tweeted it out. Oh my God everybody. He's a he's a true scout is a couple of teams. Didn't send coordinators this year. Whatever but every headquarters probably thirty one head coaches within about five hundred feet of us right now is just this grinding. Middle Tennessee state. But let's get to the draft because Danny Kelly is the author of the finest draft guide on the Internet. Thank you and there's there's a is now we're at two point. Was that correct. Yes so we. We've updated the. We've gone from thirty to the top. Thirty two of the top fifty continue to expand that full scouting reports on each of these players. My top fifty lists and you can kind of go through you can skim. You can peruse can go like a deep dive into everything. It's very very cool very very pretty. I guess. Interesting Looking You I so. It's just a very very cool thing to kind of. Peru's anybody now that you've gone to fifty anybody who fallen in love with you hadn't finished when Onepointoh came out. Yeah I'd say the one guy that I think jumped up the most and this was a linebacker from lsu Patrick Queen. He's just very very he. He was a late declare. So he's a junior and so they weren't sure necessarily GonNa declare not just very very rangy speedy kind of the definition of a modern linebacker like a guy who can blitz who can cover. Who can do kind of it always a little bit undersized but He has just the build of the linebacker like very very long arms. We can tackle Explosives we can kind of cut like go through creases in the line and blitz and all that so he's a very very exciting player I didn't have him on my top thirty two but now he's at twenty seven so he he rose up quite a bit. I like him a lot. He's just he's just a fun guy to watch okay so we're going to a couple of things with the combine year we're GONNA look for we're GONNA go by position for some of the the morning positions this year and there were going to do some destinations and then some questions you want. Answered during testing testing by the way is at night this year. It's in primetime different. That's like the big question to me is. How is this whole prime time thing going to work because the combine has been the same for as long as I've been here mostly like the schedule of it so for? Nfl people combine is a booze fest. No now they actually have to watch. Things are GONNA have to write about all this stuff at like eleven. Pm Eastern time. It's going to be like deadline writing. Yeah the wonder if the bars are pissed off about this right now Life finds a way is what I will say that as far as the combine Andrew Who's and So let's start with the quarterbacks because Joe Borough talked this week he will play for Cincinnati. I suppose That's that's the narrative he wouldn't Kind of got really far out there in the last week or so with that to bed for now Until further notice it looks like until until something else comes out and might I I do believe Joe Borough will be Cincinnati bengals right. He will not throw Thursday When you look at who will throw what do you WanNa see? And who were you watching at the combat? So there's two main guys that I'm very interested in watching The First Guy Jordan love. Who is. He's definitely a very controversial. I think prospect because in his last season he threw twenty touchdown. Seventeen picks he had a bunch of just really bad decisions However there and if you go back to your prior a very good season had generated a lot of hype kind of like as a top first round type of guy. He's still probably GonNa be a top twenty fifteen potentially even though his last season so shaky Because there's some there's some extenuating circumstances around season. He lost his coach lost. I think I saw a nine out of his eleven starters on the team changed so basically going in return like trying to restart that whole offense. He just did not do. Well made some bad decisions in terms of where to go with football and things like that Got a little bit too aggressive and trying to carry the team. I think I called him. Yolo Mark Mario did he which I wanNA. I WANNA expand enough for a second. So you'll owe marcus. Mariota was your description of him. Yeah but you have a lot of great descriptions here you have Henry Rugs you have many Martavis Bryant You have a lot of players as the slim versions of other boroughs. Slim Andrew luck so CD lamb. Slim deandre Hopkins. Yeah so I go through in when I making the cops the cops a lot of it is like athleticism how they move the style in which they're used things like that and sometimes the concert. They don't really work one to one because it's like they have a different body type. Or whatever like borough to me just the way that he can manipulate the pocket. He plays alive and move around through outside the pocket and just the way he moved honestly just like the way his like shoulders. Look when he started the football just reminded me a lot of Andrew Luck and so that was Kinda why. Why won't that? But he's just not as beefy as Andrew Luck. So it's kind of like how I go about doing those for for Yellow Marcus. Mariota kind of same deal with Jordan. He's the type of guy who is has a good arm very good arm. You know you can move around a pocket. He can avoid pressure and the difference being is Mario to overthrow career for the most part was very efficient and in mistake averse not necessarily late in the last couple seasons. But that's not. The story was torn love. He's definitely like a very very aggressive. Has something like Jameis Winston in them so They whoever takes in wherever whichever team you know falls in love with him and wants to wants to take him is going to have to kind of figure out how to you know. Massage those those decisions out of his game. A little bit obviously has a better supporting cast. I think it he where he's not required to like completely cary doing that would be important for him But he's Kinda guy who very tools great arm like I said you know you can move around. But there's just he probably needs like season to be to be the backup and kind of like develop a lot of those things and develop as a decision maker and things like that so I'm very interested to see how he does There were some rumors that coming out of high school. He ran like a five one so he's not necessarily like a super speedy guy and I couldn't confirm whether that's actually what he ran but The re- so that's one reason. I'm kind of hoping that he'll run the forty and tell us exactly how fast he has because in the NFL. These days I think teams are starting starting to see that you have to be able to move around. You see like some of these quarterbacks and last couple of drafts Daniel Jones. Josh Allen are two guys that kind of remind me a little bit of of love in the sense that they both had sub-standard stat lines in this in the season prior to being drafted in the top ten. You the outlines from college like that's not a top ten pick and that's the same deal which are in love Teams are just they become infatuated with like skill the skill set and the and the tools. Thirteen one him to be on or type of team. That's a good question. I mean. Obviously the top team for me would be the colts. And of course I if they signed a veteran like Philip especially if they sign rivers because then they could have like this two year plan where rivers is the star at least this year and then they develop Jordan. Love Hina You know obviously they've they've done a good job of you. Know figuring out their offense after Angela sort of abruptly retired prior to last. Season's I think You know they have. They're just very good at designing an offense around their quarterback's strength. And so I think that is that to me. Is the team. Frank Reich. He's just really shown an ability to modify his offense and tailor it to his quarterbacks needs so that team I think would be the top one from any other quarterbacks. You're watching Jalen hurts is another very very unwilling to me because you know. He's one of those guys who I'll watch them at the senior bowl his ability his throwing ability just didn't really stand out okay but at the same time I mean. He did show accuracy a lot this year at Oklahoma and he was absolutely prolific as a passer and a runner. I think he scored Twenty Times on the ground in addition to his prolific passing stats and so to me. He's a guy who I think. Some team is going to see his skill set and think that they can design offense around his skill set. You know he's not going to be. I don't think for everybody and that that goes. That's the same deal with like herber that same deal with with love like he's just not going to be for everybody but His skill set to me is very very intriguing. And we've seen teams. Who are that are willing to kind of design their offenses same deal with while I was saying about the calls like design their offenses around the quarterback skill. Set to me those this Martine. Because that's absolutely what you should do not trying to fit a round peg square hole or whatever and so he's another guy that I'm very interested to watch. He reportedly ran like a four four eight In two thousand seventeen. So he's he's got some wheels. I'm guessing he'll probably a little bit slower here but he can run in that four five for six range. I think that could boost sokolow alarmed when you walk around Indian prospects running in the hallways. It's definitely also. Sometimes they throw in the hallways. You're looking down and texting. I've actually never had a problem I've thought about. It's like wow man if I turn the corner and get hit by a Jordan. Love Pass Concussion. That's GonNa take me out for a couple weeks now. So if we're you are the draft Guru I defer to you on this when you're watching the throws on Thursday evening with the quarterbacks give me one thing to watch for as you know that stuff because there's so many caveats to throw in when when you're talking about the combine throwing drills He's putting you're playing with guys that They don't know they don't like they have no practice with essentially so it's definitely I would not put much stock into that but I think just overall accuracy is the big thing your ability to like. Hit a guy on the run there. A guy that you're looking for with that I think Lo- love is one for sure and I think Herbert to Herbert to me was a little bit. Scattershot Justin Herbert of Oregon. Yeah a little bit scattershot with his accuracy. He's got all the tools and again. It's like none of these. Quarterbacks are perfect prospects Even burrow into have their their hiccups that I think teams are GonNa have to deal with but Like Herbert love hurts. All these guys are are definitely sort of a a rung below those two. I think I'd love to see Herbert. You know just Kinda sling it but have a lot of accuracy because he was his aggressiveness sort of waxed and waned a bit in college and his accuracy was very hit or miss. So I think you know He. He could definitely kind of. I think a lot of people at a couple years ago Josh Allen like put on a show at the at the combine like our forget so. I don't necessarily need him to do that. But maybe just like. Cut It loose a little bit. I think that could that could maybe bumping up in my mind a little bit if he gets like aggressive in lets loose k pass rush chase young not working out now. Which is I think we. I like to see testing numbers. And he'll presumably do something later in the spring. We'll get this but I love kind of knowing what you get remember. A couple of years ago everyone knew myles. Garrett was going to be the first certainly the first passage off the board and probably the first player off the board. Then he comes here. He puts up huge numbers. Kind of put it to bed I remember that vividly and I would have liked the same for chase young. It is obviously Until he feels right If he doesn't have to do anything But I'm looking forward to getting some numbers from him whenever he wants to do it without. Vat. Danny what are you watching for with testing with pass rushers and their general week here number one. I would say and this has already happened. The way in do you think is important for some guys because what does you weigh in at A. What a die way. not I I asked him to not disclose. Okay is above two hundred pounds. This is where I needed to be for for my skill set Both season no so by the way that Baker Mayfield wants to be quicker and slimmer if you see that yeah well get that freshman fifteen or whatever and he tried to get bulky last your hand work speeds and I always quick and slim. Yeah okay So what was going where I was going with that is. I don't know if you remember last year. Brian Burns was a big question mark because he was really. He played really light in college in people want to see if he could bulk up and still be explosive this year. The same type of guy is clay von Jason from Lsu and he measured in six three to fifty four and so that's that's a very good like baseline foundation size from. He's not actually going to do the testing which is pretty disappointing. Because he's the second highest rated edge player on my board So he'll will probably have to wait for his era ever to see how he tests but I think just coming in at two. Fifty four is a solid number for him because he's very explosive player. You know very bendy. He's definitely a traits type player like he didn't have very good production in college and he's a guy that you have to sort of project the. Nfl is a guy who can get better when he learns more moves when he gets more More time in the way all that stuff and so he was a guy that I was looking forward to watching what he's actually gonNA test. The other guy was going to. Mention is Zack. Bond from Wisconsin. Who is? He's a sort of a late riser. I think in this whole process is sort of a hybrid linebacker defensive end type A guy. He's very interesting prospect going into the draft because he can kind of do a lot of different things for defense. He's a former like he's just like a Multi Sport Highschool Star. He's he's very very good athlete. I'm excited to see what he runs. he's the type of Guy who teams can. Have you know dropping back on bass downs as like a real regular off ball linebacker within he also can You know get on the line and rushed from a run. Rushed from the line of scrimmage where he's putting his hand in the dirt and good enough field sort of in the same way. I come to Kyle Van Noy. He's also kind of like a clay matthews type guy So he's he's he's going to be very interesting. He's a former high school. Sprinter basketball guy dual threat quarterback and. He's he's just a very very good athlete so I'm excited to see what he does this week to all right. What about defense outside of pass rushing into a couple of guys where you're saying okay? I need to see these guys this week for me. A WELL NUMBER ONE. All corners need to be fast. And so thank you. Danny you know it will be six three. They can be like doing. Learn anything from Richard Sherman. He's sort of a Unicorn though I know he's like yeah you don't it's not necessarily a death knell. It's mostly joking Richmond. Once in a generation right right. So Yeah I was GONNA say basically you know combine is a little bit overrated receivers. You will the combine it. Oh my God yeah In some cases can be a little bit overweight saying for corners or for everybody for everybody. Okay I sort of disagree with that okay. I think there's I think that there is especially when it around picks. I think that if you are athletic enough I think you're always worth a flyer always i. I don't think that a guy like Byron Jones who set the world on fire four or five years ago and jumped broader as they say than anybody else history Listen he developed into a good cornerback because he worked hard. And and you know there's a million other things but the athleticism helps you and you're starting with the baseline and one of the things. I think that team like the chiefs understands team like the Ravens. Seok certainly understand that. The packers have is when in doubt. Just take the athlete. I think a lot of that county can come from the combine. Yeah I definitely don't disagree with you on that. I think I for some guys. It's and this is what I've heard from from multiple general managers and scouts and things like that is the combine serves as a way to cross check The what you have on tape like what you've shown on tape like if a guy comes in and runs wastes slower. That's a big deal. Because then they go back in like save. Did we miss? What did we miss his lack of speed on tape or whatever But for the most part is just a cross check and then I do think what you're saying is true were if guys are freakishly like if outlier athletes extreme extreme athletes. These teams are going to think we're we can take this guy. We can coach them up. We can teach them better techniques we can turn them into good player because you do have to have a certain level of athleticism to be in the NFL and if these guys are elite among those types of athletes I think it definitely matters but So yeah I think that might sound like I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth but I think overall for like I was just thinking. Receivers receivers speed is not necessarily the most important thing there's plenty of the top receivers in the NFL. Run four fives. And that's fine. Having a four four four. Three guy is really important for the offense. But it's not it's not gonNA take me it's not Gonna. I'm not GonNa take off the board if he runs four five at at receiver But what I was GONNA SAY THAT CORNER. That can be very very important. Yes You have to be able to run cornerback. I mean it's like the most important position to be have that pure blazing speed and so I'm excited to see how these cornerback do. Honestly I think most of them are supposed to run really fast like the top ranked guys but if you see a guy running like a three four five range that can be very bad for for their draft stock honestly so a. Lotta these guys. I think need to pass that test in a lot of these guys are just really really fast. So it's GonNa be kind of fun to see. How can you obviously know the big names? But is there anybody who say these guys are? GonNa be blazing fast. Yeah so this is sort of a big name Jeff Gladdy Jeez Tcu. He's the guy that I really really like. I think he'll run really fast. And then I have a couple of guys In the in the secondary that are supposed to be potentially like four two runners Troy Pride Junior He was actually a big standard of the senior bowl. I thought he played really really well. Put His name on. The map probably bumped himself up like a round or two I think just by how played senior bowl but he could even I think he could solidify himself even more with good forty and he's supposed to run in the four three range and he actually said he's has his eyes set on running in the four two so he could be like one of the fast guys at the combine period. So that's GonNa be really interesting to watch toy pride junior from Notre Dame so keep an eye out for him when he tested then. Javelin Gigiri is another name that I think people are kind of buzzing about today or this week is a Utah Corner He's tiny five foot nine hundred ninety pounds but he's a former high. Just wanted to make clear when we all say someone's buzzing at the combine. It means to people have mentioned him. Yeah in this case Adam Schefter. Actually you just one. I heard his name. I believe from two people. Yeah to yes. That's that's a buds right. It's a harmony books Tuesday quarterbacks buzzy prospects we we we've got it all here. Yeah Listen Guys. Keep in mind okay. The wide receivers last week before we get to the dream destinations. Yeah so the receiver group is is what I would say. This class is defined. If not by the quarterbacks and receivers one of the deepest receiver classes in the decade really. And so you know this potential to have I think Melkite or junior said that twenty five receivers could go within the first three rounds which will not happen. I'm pretty I mean. It would be very unheard of for. That happened them. Go after okay. I'm just saying I mean that's A. I love the bold. I loved the bold guess there. It's probably not going to happen. Because there's other positions that teams need but at the same time it does tell you exactly how deep this group is. I think I saw Dan Jeremiah from the NFL network. Has He said he had twenty seven guys graded as top three top three round guy. So that means that doesn't mean they're all going to be picked on the top three rounds but it means this is a deep deep class of receivers When you look at this class a couple of questions that I think would be very interesting to get answered. Is How fast are CD? Lamb and t higgins like those guys. They're not going to run four well. They're not going to run for three for two But Higgins I think. I saw this week that he said he wanted to run the four four. Which would be a really really good number for him because he's kind of that the there's a big question Mark Kinda on his overall speed. Same same goes for lamb. Lamb is my overall number one receiver. Just ahead of Jerry Judy but on tape. He doesn't look like a super sudden superfast guy. He's just very physical he he can run after the catch. He's got great jump ball skills. He's a good runner all those things but he's not super fast looking at least on tape. I think if he runs just in the four fives I think people will be very very comfortable with him being if not the one the wide receiver to and then if he ends up running faster than that. I mean that could really really boost the ends of running slower that could create some question marks for him I think. So those two guys higgins lamb. I think if Higgins runs in the four force. He's GonNa Skyrocket after the draft because our sorry after calm because he's just he's just a jump ball monster he's just so so good at catch points after the catch. You know huge huge production. I calmed him to Kenny Golladay. He's just he's just really exciting player. I know a lot of people have been calling him to Aj Green so. That's another very very interesting. Comparison so higgins to me is is a guy that could rise up quite a bit after this week and then on the other side of the on the other side of the ball rugs regular La- viscous Chenault Caja Handler These are guys that could potentially run in the fourth reason for twos. And they're you know it's not that it's not the most important thing to have forty four three or four to speed but I know teams definitely want that speed and when we saw me hard kind of come out of nowhere and you know rise up in the draft because he had a four three time and and and the chiefs really really value. That kind of yeah because speed man. I talked to beverage about. There's no mentions in the pod before but basically said that there are quarterbacks where a guy like hardman wouldn't actually make that much difference. Because if he's like on the raiders with their car or something like that. Yeah those are your words not his but hypothetically if he was with their car there are things you could scheme him up to do. But he's not Derek Carr is not gonna eat him forty five yards down. The field on the floss right probably not going to happen outlook knock good. So that's all right. Let's let's create some dream matchups here. I think that one of the things that we like talking about is is where these guys might fit. Best not from a value standpoint her. You know what I don't think we don't. We don't want anybody on the redskins right now. I mean poor taste young has to grow into that But before we get out of here give me one dream match-up where you just salivate over the marriage. When the player and the franchise so nine number one dream and honestly like I would love to see this guy on any team. Because he's one of my favorite players in this draft. Isaiah Simmons from Clemson. Yes who is listed as I believe? He's says a linebacker but he's really just a linebacker slash safety slash nickelback slash at times. Rusher like he does a little bit of is Bruce. Arians named the money. Backer right became a couple of years ago with this idea ahead of its time and quite frankly yeah and he so he would fit to me and honestly in any defense has he can do anything and everything but I would just love to see him with the chargers man because I think he's very much. He's a mega. James would love to see that because what they could do with those two guys on the field together I mean just the options. I think would be limitless in terms of how they could use them as both coverage guys as Ron Defenders as as situational blitzer it would be a lot of fun and seeing those guys on the same team I think would just be super exciting to to study into watch. And so that's like my dream match of an actual is somewhat possible because the chargers have believed the six pick and so that. I don't think Simmons is getting out of the top ten and if the chargers decided not to take a quarterback of that spot simmons could be a pretty good choice for him and so I really like that pairing The second one I was gonNA mention his CD lamb which we just talked about going to the cardinals the cardinals. I don't know what they're GONNA do in. The first round is going to be a very interesting team for me because they have a lot of needs on the defense obviously but I think their their whole identity and direction is centered around their offense. Senator on Cuyler Murray cliff kings vary like what they can do on offense building. A you know they're not the chiefs chief style. Juggernaut offense. I think is going to be the goal. They're not just feel completely balanced to think I feel like they would be able to hit the ground running really quickly because not only has CD. Lamb played with cuyler Murray from their time. Together it Oklahoma But he played in sort of a similar spread offense type thing where you know. He's utilizing space over the middle of fields. They're creating situations where he can get run after the catch ability. I mean that's like a huge part of his skill set is His ability to break tackles in the field. And there's times honestly where he looked like cuyler. He looked like Alvin Kamara after the catch where he's just bouncing off tackle attempts So I just think he'd be fin offense number one and number two. There's already that built in familiarity with collar. Murray and kind of get get them running. You know hit the ground running essentially and so I think yeah I mean that would give them the foundation and a nice boost to what could be a really good receiver core if they get if they get a better performance from Andy Isabella next season. Who was the second round pick last season? He didn't really play much in the first season. Christian Kirk is still an ascending player In the NFL. And obviously like we said you know get Larry Fits in their run INS running outside of this law and the reds and things like that they could definitely kind of surprise people next season so that'd be another one that I would just like to see a lot okay. We are all much smarter on the draft. Dan Kelly thank you for coming on the show and Happy Combine ex-man Love Week. So I'm just really looking forward to seeing all this testing it's going to be. It's going to be in prime time this this week. Which is is a big big change.

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Marcus do pre interview Paul and almost eight tell you this. That guy sounded so enthusiastic. Have you been reading up on the CONTROVERSY WITH BRETT? Farve where he took some money for and maybe one point one million from this organization do some speeches and he didn't do them and it was a state money. Things of that nature. Have you had yes I did? Read it Lamar. Marcus is called in that too. Oh Yeah I think what and just break it down? Simply a this guy was giving millions of millions and millions of dollars as organization bother state to to distribute it to needy and poor people in families and things of that nature and he was just a slush fund and he is just bizarre how they squandered it and spend it but With the Marcus thing. They bought him a house and some few acres about four miles from my house. Ironically and they it's supposed to be equine training center for poor children and I've never seen any children out there. Everyone I've driven by it so And it's it's in the newspaper now so I'm not and he's using that as his personal residence. It's not any type of training center so well let me let me put it. Let me put it this gravity. Somebody if somebody's swindling someone and calls his show would that would we be able to differentiate him from the next person no not at all and that would be yeah? I? I've only talked to Marcus a couple of times. He called in. You may remember a couple of years ago. No Marcus did anything wrong. Now if somebody gives you something right I mean I mean you know and it's under I saying he even with the money came. I hope he calls in and and we can clear this up but no his name is the in the papers and the Clarion Ledger Ted. I'm not. I'm not speculating. It's if you Google it. I'm sure it'll pop up but it's a I think six hundred seventy thousand dollars. But well whether whether he's involved or not. He is the subject of one of the greatest sports books. Ever the courting of Marcus Morris. He was a great running back. I still hear people talk about him. You know let's build up in the city and I've seen the videos of what have you. There's no doubt he was a talent and he seems like a great guy. I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong. I'm just saying he got caught up in the the same thing that Brett farve got caught in the past week or two. If you've been reading the newspaper so yeah it'd be interesting to get him on his side of the story on that but thank you for taking my call interesting. Show man. We're all excited about Margaret's depre- Squirrel just rains on the markets depre- trained. We don't even know if he's involved in this Hope he's not. Augie IS UP NEXT IN NEW ORLEANS. What about that Augie? Well Marcus decree that You know was with New Orleans. Breakers right he was. Yeah so there you go but Paul I I think I've got a bad reputation now. Now we've got guys from ATLANTA NAMED BRIAN. Calling in You know I'm just too easy going on all I do agree with you. Saw GotTa stir up some kind of issue with you So I'm GonNa have to search for something but I was reprimanded yesterday You know we're talking about name image and likeness of players. Well you know. Yesterday I brought up My wife and the story about going to the store and how you don't go to the store and I used you as a reason for me not going to the store I played that for her and she Set off violated the name image likeness provision in our claws so I cannot refer to her anymore in conversations without her consent so I got in trouble but yesterday you had well. We had our famous friend from Columbus. Call in and boy. I guess you really are Losing it because he's upset that you're not getting upset with people but as he was doing that you were actually getting upset with him but I don't think you saw the Iranian that But I I always get upset with him because he never stops talking and then he asked the obvious. We'll Paul why do basically. Why don't you like me? The truth hurts but anyway I think you gave him the truth and hopefully he can handle it but yesterday a guy in Chicago name rich called in he started running down the SEC schedule. And of course he started pulling out all the pansies and the cupcakes. And I think he had a point in all of that and I think you basically Called him on it. But these guys who call Lynn in like to remind us that Ila shoe last season played northwestern state which we did. We also played Georgia southern which we did but they forget that we won the national championship. They don't bring that up and if the FCC has such pushover schedules why is it that the SEC's either in the college playoffs? Actually wins the whole thing. I don't know I don't know if anyone's ever won the championship with a tougher schedule than Lsu last year. No but don't you. I mean and I know you do. It's just the jealousy I won't call it Anything other than that. The jealousy of the rest of the conferences against the SEC. Don't you think that's out there when you're amongst your fellow sportswriters and sportscasters from other parts of the country? That cover other conferences. Do they regard. You is superior to them just because of the clientele you cover. No and I don't want anyone to but I do hear the shots all the time and they're built in and that's fine. I mean it used to bother me and I wrote a ended up writing a book about it which I think which stoked the fires even more but well you can't I mean you don't have to fight back with stats. I mean there are automatic. I mean it's such a ridiculous argument to be made when every year. It's SEC SEC SEC. But Anyway let's get the Trial of the century. How is that going so far? You taking votes or Well I what's happened is when when Caridad called in I mean he. He's so emasculated gym that I don't think we'll ever hear from the guy again. So you know that's not true. I'm sure he's going to call in. You can't call in it wouldn't show. I mean you've heard you've heard you've heard the tape. Haven't you have heard Kate? Yeah so won't you? Would you ever call in after that? Well Daryl callback after this but I mean Darryl did really had nothing to do with this show he He W- he did something on twitter. Which which I found egregious but I moved on but Jim and I felt a tinge of guilt because I was listening to Jim. I mean I'm not going to grade the call on accuracy or not people can make up their own. Mind whether what somebody is and somebody not. But it was the emotion of the call the The poignancy of it really left Jim on the side of the road. Yeah I mean if Mris Premises right and it was a fake then. Cat Daddy gets the actor of the Year award retort so that he his they would win one hundred Oscars. Hey this real quick shout out to Harry Harry in New Orleans. She sounds good and Matt and San Antonio Hopefully as employment is going well and Paul have a great weekend. Thank you great to have you on. Let's check out John in Tennessee. Hello John Hello fine bomb. How are you today I am doing? Well thank you yes sir. The reason I called you. I know I'm reading your book now. about My conference can beat Converse and Big Bear Bryant Fan and a I have a question for him trying to settle an argument. When coach Bryan was at Alabama? Did He have a pro? Did He have a sports program on Sunday evening? Yeah of course. He was called the bear Bryant. Show he it was. It was primarily a review of the game although it was more entertainment than review just because it started off every week with the sponsors of the of the show were were coca-cola and golden flake potato chips and watching. Bryant opened up. A bag of potato chips was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life because half the time he couldn't do it. And the other half the potato chips splattered everywhere. Yes Sir and did he always son in the evening When his show was getting ready to go off by telling his boys to They need to go down downstairs. Get on the phone and call their MOMMAS. I don't he may done that sometimes. Here's what here's where that became a big deal. I'll test my memory of thirty almost forty years. So long time He did a commercial ones John for South Central Bell which which is now part of Bell South Obviously it was one of the region it was one of the first regional bells and the commercial was essentially. I can't remember how how it got to the end but When he was talking about using the phone he said no he encouraged all his players to call their mother always tell my boys to to call their their Mama and then he looked in the camera to assure wish I could call mine and it became one of the most famous commercials of that era. Because you know obviously his you know he was sixty seven years old sixty eight years old at the time And he he will. He looked like he was shedding a tear. It was just a brilliant commercial. Yes certainly I think that's appropriate for the upcoming Sunday for everyone to call. You Mama's know it's Mother's Day weekend is here and I'll say this I tell the story a little bit later about mothers day because we're up against the clock but Yeah it was on. It was unusually Sunday afternoon a little bit earlier than six. But we are heading to a break much more to come more of your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven to eight five. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast welcome back here this Friday afternoon. In great depth Seth Emerson back on the program from the athletic covers the dogs and a lot of conversation airbag. Jamie Newman about the fish that got away and whether dogs can do it this year. Assuming there is a season to do it in Seth great to have you on what's been going on. Oh you know Paul. Just tethered to my House. Leaving occasionally with a mask on nothing. Different on your You're in Atlanta. You should live in Georgia. Should pretty much be able to go anyway. Right you know the thing about it is it and I got this flurry of emails this afternoon. I guess Friday afternoon. A bunch of companies are in places stuff announcing like phase. One re-opening for next week. So this idea that Georgia was having this grand reopening. Two weeks ago I guess was the day that things started. It is Kinda halfway there. Maybe even less than half so Yeah I mean. There's people are still kind of self social distancing and so it's it's it's been interesting. Yeah How about Distancing themselves from the dogs upcoming season? We're we're we get a chance to see. Jamie Newman the spring What are you here? Yeah I mean it's gotta be whenever they return to workouts and whenever things get going again assuming they do is going to be the big question about how much they were set back by not having much time to to ramp up and and just missing all of spring practice mean. You've gotTA graduates for quarterback you've got a new offense coordinator you've got an all offensive line was overhauled It's GonNa be a concern it. It doesn't mean that it's going to be debilitating. They will have some time before the season and they did have some time before spring practice was called off They it'll blow allows you more time to work together like seven seven drills and walk throughs and stuff and but yeah. I mean otherwise. We're GONNA see how much you can do installing a new offense over zoom and and getting to know each other over Zoom. And then there's just gonNa be kind of this flurry of of practices once they can get going before we get to. Some of the issues facing everyone What's the conversation then? And we're in speculatively here. Where do you see a going about the quarterback? Got Away this one or maybe it was sent away Justin. So house tape. Well I think you and I talked about this before there was. I think there's revisionist history on this. There's this idea that you know how to Georgia. Let Justin Fields get away and people kind of forget the facts on the ground when when Justin transferred. There was no question that he would have been the number two in two thousand nineteen and that he should have been the number two there was. Nobody saying you've got a Jackson Shake from in order to bring in Justin Fields Jake from had finished number three in the country a sophomore in I think it was passing yards per attempt. He had led the team to a debate. Lead quote unquote. But he was the quarterback when they went to the national championship game. And there's lose that game because the offense at the end at least I mean he had been wildly successful as I two years and and all the people were saying was that you know maybe justin fields needs to stay because Jay Chrome may leave after junior year so he just needs to wait around but you didn't WanNa wait and he ended up becoming immediately eligible and what happens is last year just in field tests. Great Year Jake from regresses and everyone then kind of forget what the situation actually was after the two thousand eighteen season And so yeah at least this revisionist history and it. Just it is what it is It it kind of this perfect storm of factors that now makes it look like curbs. Martin made this bad decision but there was really no decision to make chalmers has Emmerson I. I totally agree with you in. We followed it in real time but we also know what the reaction's going to be this year of Ohio stays playing for National Championship and from elsewhere and the dogs aren't in the running but let's get to the season and you've written a lot about what it could look like what's going on before we get to what it could look like. What what do you hear from your sources on what seems to be the latest pivot as there's a pivot every week on where we're going and how it's going to look well. I've heard optimism. And it's been on the record optimism from Greg mcgarry to the here and the president. I've heard that for a while and it kind of seems like nationally. People have moved towards that. I think where we are now and this could totally change by next week where we're back to the seasons endanger but where we are now is that it seems like people were pretty optimistic about the season starting perhaps even on time but without fans but the bigger worry is about the second wave. That people anticipate could happen. I mean we're all becoming epidemiologist at this point and You know medical experts public health experts predicting things or not predicting things or whatever. But that's that's what I'm increasingly hearing is all right. We think we'll start. The season on time will at a later point. How many fans we're GONNA late in if not all of them But then what happens when the second wave comes? That's that's that's where we are right now and I think that I think that the other thing with the the fans in the stands thing that people need to remember is that's that's kind of lasting. You need to resolve you. I need to say. Can we get the players on campus? Can we keep the players? And the staff coaches and everybody healthy Maybe not necessarily quarantine in a hotel or whatever but you know all those options Paul's that everyone is thrown out there and then it's can we hold gangs? Is it safe to do that? can football players making contact with each other whether it's in practice and then in the Games and everything is going to be okay And that's Kinda intertwined with students on campus which now there's some people saying you don't even need that But I I don't know but all that and then I think kind of one of the last things you can say all right we're going to have fans in the stands and then how many but I did write about yesterday that Georgia. I think like every school is doing contingency planning for. How will social distancing work in a stadium and Georgia's looking at that and looking at that hard? They're studying it. They don't know if they'll need to implement these plans but they're they're getting plans ready for if they need to do that. Seth let me go back to the bigger issue before we Reconstruct or reformulate the way fans go to games. And that's the idea of fans couple of weeks ago we all heard pretty consistently presidents commissioners on the record saying if we don't have students on campus or fans in the stands we're not having games and then suddenly change going on. I mean I think it also depends on who was talking I think a lot of people have evolving opinions. Based on the more they learn the more we all learn more we see but sometimes the the loudest voices also get the most recognition when they're then maybe people all along saying look fans not coming to the game but being able to play the Games is GONNA be the main option and as my colleague Andy Staples has has put it eloquently. If you you give into the play college administrators the option of YOU'RE GONNA make about half as much money as you usually do or you're gonNA make zero amount of money. They'll take the about half as much money And I think that there's a there's a general sense I mean it's it's China commonsense. I'd say common logic that if you feel like you can keep a few hundred people Safe as in you can control weather. All these people have been tested. And that's still a big if but if you can do that and you can put on a game. That's a whole lot different than making sure that tens of thousands of people in the stands are all healthy and tested and that that's a safe situation. I mean I think about what's Today. May I mean how much has changed in the world since since this all happen but if you go back to March something that the CDC and a lot of people are talking about with large gatherings and it went from that to all right? You know Basically don't don't don't see anybody except people in your own family or whatever and and I think maybe we moved back towards large gatherings and say that's Kinda the last thing and that's what we really need to worry about. I mean look long. Everyone's kind of accept not everyone but I would say many people. I've talked to have accepted that if you have to play games without fans that's a whole lot better than playing zero game. It may but but it will they. Won't they just come off looking even greater than they already look because they I mean they said it Bob Warburg told US others indicated it and now okay well we didn't really mean it We just have to the Games on because we don't want to go broke. Yeah I mean you all I know is the people that I talked to have been fairly consistent. I mean I I've I haven't been one and those are people within the SEC. Footprint is that right. Yeah and that's on and off the record that they've they've Kinda in the big consistency. They've had his look. We don't know like we don't. They haven't said much definitive from the beginning. They've been careful about that. I think Greg sank. He's been careful about that But they I heard all along like this this backtracking from people seemingly about whether students need to be on campus or there to even be games and then like last week it was finally people were accepting okay. Maybe students don't have to be on cable yet for football players to come back for workouts and team stuff. I've been hearing Paul that for about a month month and a half two months from people I talked to that. Look you know. It may be a debate about whether you can hold games with you know with our online but that people were telling me like no. It's football players. Can of course come back if classes are only online for the summer as long as other students can come back to for things like office hours with teachers. You know maybe band people come back in and they are able to congregate and get together and practice that kind of stuff. You don't WanNa make it exclusive for players but I've been hearing that from the start So that that hasn't changed. Appreciate your time as always come back soon. All right all care. Seth Emerson from the athletic. The ever changing world of college football. We'll take a break mortar com including a conversation in the next hour with one of the biggest stars in country music right after this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum. Show podcast welcome back to our program great to have you with us and let's continue with more phone calls. Eugene is in Duluth Georgia. Hello Eugene. Hey Paul I'm enjoying your show so much thank you I thank you Paul. Great to have you. Thank you so much Paul you know. I've been thinking about coach. Bryant and I've been thinking about a way Journalists whom I admire Clyde Lewis Grizzard always hit respect for coach Brad. They met him and always had little respect for him to after he would suffer a loss. He would take blame for himself. And and sometimes some of the other coaches that. I've seen lately have been reluctant to do that. I wanted to bring your attention to book that I hope you might have read. And and if you haven't I would encourage reading it's called fumble written by James Kirby who is professor law in the Law School University of Tennessee. A and I was so touted in the vanderbilt law school he was the observer for the SEC at the trial That put the Saturday evening. Post reporter on trials bear Bryant while they butts brought after that reporter. If you call claim to have heard a telephone conversation between those two famous coaches in which supposedly coach butts through or agreed to throw an upcoming game between Georgia and and Alabama back in The late Fifties or the very start of the sixties but had been kicked upstairs to the department's Office after winning. Sec In nineteen fifty nine. And I remember having read Leroy Jordan's comment on that where he said we didn't need to be you. Don't coach route would never do that. But we didn't need to be agree into a fix of the game. We would have beaten Georgia Handley without any fixed. We didn't need it. He's under the table agreement. And of course ten bucks was a man of honor. He never would have done that. My opinion and I don't believe coach Bryan would ever done anything like that either. But I commend you that book by James Kirby has let me jump in here for a second I not only read the book. I've interviewed Professor Kirby several times. Oh good I did not realize that I'm not I'm carrying coast Newcastle. Yeah no it's been probably twenty five years since I've spoken to him. I don't even know if he's still alive But yeah. I'm very well versed on that subject. I knew that you would enjoy that book and I guess I should have realized that. Of course you you had read it. I hope that you had but nevertheless I wanted to commend it to you because I found it Most enjoyable read And I know that Being a legal scholar as well as a scholar you would appreciate well. I'd say I can also tell you was quite a controversial interview. We did it in Alabama and the the pub- The the listeners did not care for Professor Kirby very much but That was a long time ago. Eugene thank you very much for sharing that and I may go back and read it again. Thank you Paul George about it. Ron is up next In California Heller Ron. How're you doing all and we are doing really well? Hope you are. Well I am I I don't WanNA dwell on myself but I am legally blind like that. Other guy wasn't the other day but fortunately the good Lord has left me was enough vision so I can take care of myself. Grunted what what I'm calling about his My my brother passed away today. But so that's not what I'm calling you about what I'm calling you about is. Is that heretofore? We'd always we both went to. Lsu He graduated. I left my third year during the Korean War But anyway it with us it was. We always watched it on television. Oh issue and it was always wait until next year. Wait until next year and finally next year finally came last year and So I was just so happy that he got to. He was alive and got to see that that grammy. I'm sorry to hear about that. Let me ask you this. I'm not trying to math on the on the on the run here but if you Lsu in the Korean War you're I'm ninety years old. Yeah and that was. They want to say that. But there's nothing there's nothing wrong with saying I just wanted to I. I was not sure how old you are but I didn't think you were. You were a kid no I make now. I feel like one. You sound young no you. You could pass for significantly younger. How how old was your brother? Even three years my junior so okay hate him about eighty seven years old seven he had a. He had a lot of things wrong with him. He He was he lived in El Centro California with youngest son and then When he got ill they the medic medic who Meta flu. They've yeah to sent to the Hoya To the scripts institute here down there San Diego. Yeah he was so he was on the men but all of a sudden his heart just stopped and he couldn't revive him has a famous Hospital by the way I I know so but so it was just it was It was just nice that lsu championship last year and he finally got to see it because that is a. that's amazing. Wait until next year waited till no. Well I mean we we talk like Lsu. Hasn't done it. I mean they did it. In what Oth Reno seven I was. Oh well we have two thousand and three now. Now I say this to you. I say this to respect to Georgia but if you're a Georgia fan and you're in you're eighty seven or ninety waiting new international championship. You're probably a little more anxious than Shufen. No I still I still. I still enjoy watching them on the television. Although I'm blind I have a device so let me ask you what We we talk a lot about site here lately. Legally blind means what. Excuse me I don't know what the definition you a certain percentage of vision i. Actually I have one I that I can see out of my left Dr But I like I said can see. Well I live by myself. Would you can get around with that. You'd have to. Oh yeah just went for a walk in my house. Street and beyond that is a black. Blacktop pedestrian walkway and bicycle. And so I would just sitting. I just came back to sitting on a bench. That's my office where I talked to people that pets. Oh wonderful so yeah. Besides that have a sixteen year. Old Dog is in my same situation as I am. He's he's legally blind but it's amazing how they get around you know. He knows his way around even though he can't see they're amazing creatures anyway. I just thought I wanted to share that with you. Thank you I appreciate you. You tell China Hope I. I'm a big fan of you. Sorry didn't remember. I listen to you every day when I can So I just I just appreciate your program a lot well. I certainly hope you'll you'll continue to do that in and give us a call when you're up to it. I'm always up to it all well. Great here is the first time I got through so that was like an amazing thing. I really happy to hear that. Yeah well thanks again for listening Jenny and Just keep up the good work. Keep keep up the good work. Thank you Ron. Thank you very much really interesting. Call there you gotta you gotTa just stop and think about that for a second. I mean that's Take some some real imagination to deal with That type of disability and to do it with optimism and hope and and we really appreciate that we in the next hour. We'll talk to one of the biggest stars in country. Music will continue with your phone calls at eight five five two four to seven thousand eight hundred listening to Paul Finebaum show podcast. Geico has the insurance industry leading APP. That lets you manage your policy anytime anywhere. Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage by an angry possum. Megan you guys said you would hear about an hour ago and I think the positive is starting to get an increase I listened. I thought if I felt it would go away. But now it is ripping holes in the drywall. And making some nest. Just coming back GEICO. Always there for you with savings and the industry leading mobile APP way. Welcome you back. You know let's continue with more phone calls and let's check out Mike In des Moines Iowa. Hello Mike Hey Paul how are you doing today? We are great thank you. Hey so I'd occur Something I wanted to bring up to you but I just have to chime in on your last caller so legally blind just for definition purposes is defined as twenty over two hundred vision and better eye with correction okay so Basically somebody that's legally blind See has to be a foot away from something that you would be ten feet away from basically And I say that because I've heard you guys talk about blindness a little bit so I'll just said something to you. I may totally guy. I'm forty two years old. I've been blind my whole life and I can tell you that I have travelled and been more places than the majority of my friends. That are cited. I lived and worked in Spain. I studied abroad. I built club wrestling program at the college. I went to Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro Tennessee I grew up in Louisiana and so One of the biggest issues with blindness. I'll be honest with you is not necessarily the lack of vision. But it really is The public misconceptions or the lack of information out there because I teach people all the time and the education field. You're not defined by what you can't see your defined by the skills that you have So I've traveled independently. Just last summer was on the Strip in Vegas. I've been game day sets and been to plenty of college games. I use a cane when I travel along. White-cain which Tells me about the ground in front of me and things like that but just? I just wanted to put that out there and let it be known that A lot of people are totally blind. Still have a ton of skills when you when you talk to. People that are that have suddenly lost vision or gradually. What what do you tell them? Because we hear from a lot of people in that position and you've dealt with all your life So obviously you. You've done it very well. But what do you tell people that are now encountering well honestly so? I've taught in that field for a while and I've worked with blind children and blind adults. Okay so one of the things that I tell people is it's normal degree. It's a loss of something. So you got a process that but then you have to decide at some point or another that. That's not what's going to define you and so I tell people you still have a brain. You still have the ability to think until you have to learn some different or alternative techniques or new techniques to do certain things but I mean Paul. I'm an avid griller. I travel a hike. I do all kinds of stuff. Right so And so one of the things that I tell people when I can and I tell people all the time I can introduce you to more their organizations with thousands of blind people that are living as independently as as anybody else in your family or other people that you've known and meeting those types of people and getting to know those people and seeing that it's a normal thing to still be productive citizens like that's the key piece of it politics understand that that's what people do and people don't let that define them and I think that's how you get through that last night. I did want to tell you the other thing that I called for. I listened to you for a long time. I called you after Scotland. We've got hired at Lsu. I talked to you just earlier. This week And so we're talking about coaching rankings. And I've heard you mentioned this a few times and the SEC and one of the things that separated Jimbo from anybody else in the conference other than saving going into this year was he had a national championship right. And I understand. He's trained a lot of quarterbacks and he's worked with A of people in Jimbo has a hell of a reputation Let's not forget that a lot of his success Came in the ACC. And I'm not saying I'm not suggesting that now they're on the same level. But Hey ed rollins got his title now he does Mike. I hate to run up against the break. Thank you very much.

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#182 Jason Kuhn

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody sold. One eighty two of the podcast. I am happy as always be here with you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there and bag nets strived button. You do not wanna miss while the action that is coming your way right here. First class fatherhood. All right dads. I haven't frogman Friday edition of first class. Fatherhood for you guys today. Former navy seal Jason Koon will be here with me. And just a few minutes. He has got an amazing story. So please stick around for the interview, this is really been an incredible week with dad's from all walks of life as usual and next week will be no different. I'm going to smack you guys but another five banger here starting it off on Monday with fisherman hunter and former NHL hockey player, Tim Brent Tuesday, author and Knicks martial arts instructor. Chris Tila will be here to discuss his new book, which drops that same day called resilience parenting, Wednesday, Texas land Commissioner and veteran, George Bush the grandson of president George H W Bush will be here Thursday. The meteorologist from good Morning America, rob Marciano stops by and Friday Thomas O'Neill, the first class father of navy seal team, six operator, rob O. Neil will be joining me here. And of course, rob O'Neill himself was a guest on the podcast last year. You could flip it back to episode fifty four to check that one out. So let's go dad's lock into the podcast here. We've got an incredible awesome and exciting week of content coming your way as for today. It is Good Friday. It is also the start of Easter break, which means all four of my kids will be hold. And I am trying to plan some activities to do. One of the things I have on the schedule is I plan on bringing my daughter on a fancy date to see Disney's frozen on Broadway. And I was fortunate enough to interview one of the cast members first class father, Robert Creighton was here back on episode one fifty three. So it'll be kinda cool to catch him in action. My daughter is one of the few girls on the planet that seemed to really love this frozen. So I'm looking forward to that. And this will also be the last week where I am not the father of teenager. My oldest will be thirteen years old on the twenty eighth. So I'm really. Getting ready to start a new chapter in my own father who journey here. I'm excited for him. I'm excited for our family. So we got a lot of changes headed our way. Check may Charlie himself was here on the podcast back on persona forty three. And I was just listening back to that the other day. Boy, does he sounds so much different. So a lot of changes are taking place a lot of excitement big things are happening. Big guests will be joining me up. So lock it. In helped me spread the word about first-class fatherhood till every father in your neighborhood, or in your contact list about the guest, and if you could be kind enough to hit me with a rating or review over on I tunes or wherever you happen to be enjoying the show. I would really appreciate it. Fatherhood rocks. Family values rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me, and I'm going to jump right into the action. Now with former navy seal Jason Koon, I'm Alec lace. And you're listening to first-class fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you'd like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link and the description of today's podcast episode. All right. And joining me now is a first class father. He is a combat veteran who served with the elite United States navy seals. He is the founder of stonewall solutions. He was a closer for a top twenty five nationally ranked NCWA baseball team. He is a keynote speaker and consultant it is a big honor for me to say Jason Koon welcome to first-class fatherhood now. Thank you. Thank you very much for having me. All right. Jason. Let's start right here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they are have free two girls in a boy, and they are nine six and three the girls are nine and six and my little boys for years old, very cool. What type of sports activities that into? Well, they're both soccer 'cause mama mama into soccer. So they both a play soccer, and they both like the girls, and they like gymnastics and one the my middle child. Pipers six yells does dance and they're. Williams story where he's still kind of figuring out what he's in too. But he's a he's a hilarious little kid little guy. So well, we'll see what you gets into later. Also now, do you or your wife get involved with coaching at all at the soccer teams you guys like the chairman from the sideline? Well, we have been on the sidelines until recently, then my wife started coaching, we're both self employed. So it makes it difficult to commit to a season and to the players, and parents, you know, that we can fee they're all of the time. But this year we were able to find some freedom there and my wife Gretchen now it's coaching pipers team, and it's working out wonderfully. So she's gonna try to coach Kenzi my oldest next year and work into that. I would love to but I travel so much makes it difficult to commit to that. So that that is one of the challenges faced as I would love to just not able to give them the dynamics of I worked right now. Okay. Yeah. I can understand that please. Jason take a second here. Just a hit my listeners. A little bit about your background. And what you do. Yeah. Of course. Well, I was a collage obsolete. I played baseball for middle. Tennessee State university. I was really good. I became really good while I was in college. I was pretty good in high school, and then towards the end of my senior year, I develop what's known as performed tank diety my career ended right there when it was looking pretty promising that would become a professional baseball player, not a high round draft pick or anything, but but appro player, so I failed right there nine eleven was the same year and a few other things came together in my life that pushed me towards wanting to join the navy and become a navy seal. So like did I joined the navy went went the buds became a navy seal eventually became a sniper and eighteen leader has wonderful deployments. I did about ten years total and in special operations, and then came home and friends were ask. Being about mental toughness, focus, you know, how to get past the fear of failure and different things. A couple of my friends that made it to the big leagues. And I met them through, you know, real coach, and we would we would talk, and they would just ask me questions that bullet over into the corporate side. And then I started working with my old polish baseball team and a few others on mindsets culture, and leadership, and then that developed into a business that keeps me very busy now. Yeah, what an incredible journey Jason. And that mindset is really one of the most attractive aspects about the entire navy seal community, and I think it is so beneficial to our entire society that you guys are so accessible now. Whereas you mentioned joining up nine eleven there wasn't half the information available as there is now about the navy seals, and that never quit mindset is so inspiring. How could we kinda get this instilled in our kids at a very young age because many dads out there struggle with their kids wanting to quit certain things. So how can we kind of help them attain? That mindset. Yeah. That's a great question. And I'm gonna I'm gonna generalize simplify quick statement here. And you know, I like to say. You know, I think we have kind of a problem or an issue, and I thought to myself as well, I haven't been the war, in fact times, I just wanna take it easy on my kids live laugh and love and the reality is that life and the things that we do is hard through that adversity in responses to ultimately, how we grow into the person that were meant to become and accomplish things. That's how we leave our legacy. You know, it's it's less than what we accomplished in more and how we respond both good and bad time. So I like to think of, you know, less of preparing the path for the kid and more of preparing kids for the past and tell people all the time that I learned everything I needed to graduate buds and become a seal for those that don't know the attrition rate is incredibly high between seventy to eighty percent of people don't make it through the training in my class. We had one hundred thirty five minutes start, I believe and we finished hell week with twenty. And I was blessed fortunate to be one of those. Munt? But it's so people all the time when the pouted you make it through that role through the prior experiences, and what I learned. So I learned everything I needed to graduate does pretty much at the baseball field to include my failure in it. You know, that could have been at the fining moment, and almost was and plenty of people, you know, when you're when you're failed failure baseball due to performance anxiety, and you're going to a place where you have to perform very very high level. And you know, what they call them, mentally chosing training the world a lot of people thought, I lost my mind. But again, it's constant response and being porch not broken, and, you know, learning deigned self-awareness votive Asian that Florida was ultimately able to accomplish something greater. Yeah. Thank you for your service. Jason is truly amazing. What you have accomplished here. You know, you're able to turn it all around from at one point your dream to play in the major leagues really possible to attain, and then you had that taken away from you you manage to pivot and then adopt a new dream, even bigger dream. And then crush that. I mean, that's incredibly inspiring stuff. And I know buds has that high attrition rate. But unfortunately, something else that has a high attrition rate is marriage. Many marriages ending in divorce, and we also have a severe fatherless household problem in this country right now with many dads who were just walking away from their families. So is there any way to kind of apply? This never quit mindsets of family life marriage and fatherhood. Yeah. Well, listen, she's an utter rockstar. So you say thanks for your service pass it onto her because the wife's not the hard part. Right. We got to go out and chase as and really live out a dream. And you're the ones that were left at home to manage all all the problems and often not know exactly what was going on with us. Yeah. Just was able to compartmentalize in and be a leader for family, and for a lot of the other spiel platoon wife, she was just wondering wonderful still is and we just celebrated our twelve year anniversary two days ago and for us. You know, there's no real magic trick. To it. We you know, we've been together and made it through all of that. And you know, for for one I would just say we just never made divorce auction me and her and we stay faithful to each other. And then I you know, we've had our ups and downs. And we've had some some really tough times as anyone does. But you know, it is it's just we just it's the same thing. Just don't make quitting option. You know? And I looked at it with her is is that and you're just gonna have, you know, it's like when when when for those quick, but I think it's a tough thing. But it's like one second later you regret it. And that's the same thing. You know, we make these decisions as an it's it's over he leave you just gonna find the same problem somewhere else. A different version of different flavors. So her it's more about responding to these things and growing through the challenges that we can. I do read books when when we need to or dialing the love languages, and that was huge the five love languages because hers. His we're on the opposite spectrum that if you're familiar with what I'm talking about. I think it's a very Chapman book. Right. Yeah. We actually just did the love language is about six or eight months ago, my wife, and I mean, we're married fourteen years, and to be honest, we should done that at least ten years ago. Yeah. I completely agree. You know? And I'm always picked everything a little bit of skepticism and a grain of salt that that really really proved effective for us because what I recognized. Well, I'm doing things that I think she should appreciate. But that's not how she naturally receives love. And then she was doing the same thing. And then when we figured out where we were on that spectrum able and that really that was really it. And she's giving me the courage to do everything, you know, there was one time. I had a deployment. And this is this is it was kind of a dynamic situation. So I'm very into the specifics of it. But for whatever reason it worked at we're in kind of how to choice to the Boyer after some of our friends have been killed in combat and she said, you know, for me to be happy you have to be happy. So if you need to go then go, but don't put this on me through decision. Right. Amazing women that you know, that that can do that. And she, you know, even with starting business. He were pretty much on our last dollar at one point. And I had worked with a high school baseball team that had never won more than a playoff game this history of the school and those state championships end up winning the state title tracking to score on Twitter or in the car together and trying to see if they come back more on. I think did I started crying. Here's I was just so happy and she looked at me. And she said this is what you're meant to do. And so this is we're gonna make it happen one way or another. You know, worry is a liar. And this is this is meant to be. So we're just gonna go get what you need to go get and we're gonna start. And then she started her. All Boston ever since. Yeah. That's awesome. Jason definitely takes a village to raise a child. And that's what you know. It's so important to have the mother and father involved with a child's upbringing and listen with all the curveballs that come at you here in life. It's just it's so challenging, and I think that the five love languages should be a mandatory exercise that you have to complete once you get that marriage diploma. But one thing I wanted to ask you about Jason's because I recently had a marine on the podcast here. That's an expert when it comes to bullying, and that's a subject here that has changed quite a bit from the time when I was a kid. So have you had any experience your kids being bullied at all or being the bully? And how do you kind of teach them or talk to them about approaching a bully situation? Yeah. I don't you know. That's a great question. So I'm gonna kinda loud here. But I haven't really been anything that I would label as bullying that that is any sort of issue that I felt I needed to get involved in or anything like that. And I do believe that label is tossed around so loosely. No and probably for good and good reason and definitely good intention. But I'm very careful with what I want my kids to term has bullying, especially the girls. I want them to learn how to solve problems on their own these strong, independent women and the more we allow that victim victimhood mentality. Breeze more in self pity as worthless emotion in an effort to win and succeed. So that's the that's what I very careful with what I say, hey, you know, and being bullied or this or that, aren't you really? Whereas it, you know, you just having normal social interaction that is not going the way you want it to right now. Learn how to handle it. Hey. You know, I remember when I was a young man, I was getting bullied if you will by seniors when I was a sophomore. And my dad taught me how to fight. And then he you know, he kept telling me to try to to make peace with this at one point. I just couldn't you know. And the thing that you can walk away as much as you wanna walk away. And I did anytime was my phone had legs. It's. Chase you around. And sometimes you have to earn around and base. That actually they were waiting for me in a parking lot. When day word have gotten to me that they were gonna jump me in that parking lot. Every do it. You know, it was a matter of time until they caught me on my up at that has to be there with the and he walked out there with me. And he made sure that the fight would be one on one. He asked me if I wanted to fight I said, no. But I think that I have to and you said the I think you're right. That I won't make you. And then once I determined that. I was going to also said that he wasn't going to stop the fight. Even if I started to lose. And there's really say we we ended up not having that problem. My dad taught me well, and and it it was what it was. Then afterwards. He said, how do you feel? I said, well, I think relief it's over. But I don't feel good. I'm not glad that I heard somebody. And he said it's fine in. I'm proud of you good now, go be friends with them. And we were and are, and I think that we're so two things these days where you know, you know, I it's sometimes rowdy is we learn to navigate the lessons of of our life. Right. But, but we're suppose sensitive to that work sometime, but I'm really careful, but there are because it's a when people really are being bully, and there really are problems that need to be handled. And I you know, I've seen some of that. And it's really sad. And so that's where I'm just really careful with that word, if you my girls I wanted to handle it and my boy wanted to handle it up to the point. To where if it becomes an issue, then I'll get involved, but I want them to be independent multiple prior to. Yeah. Good stuff. Jason. And I agree with you. It is time to get an important word from our sponsors. And then back with more from Jason Koon on Alec lace. And you're listening to first-class bother hood. Kids are not born with politeness, gene. 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It's having a devastating effect on our teenagers teenage suicide rate has spite and there's a lot of technology issues for for many parents out there, myself included. I mean, my daughter she's already swiping the screen, she loves YouTube. So how do you kind of handle or monitor the video games technology and all that stuff where your kids? Yeah. Great question. I we we that is something that we are on top up. So I would say I I want. Say necessarily in certain areas. I are you know. But but the big things other than that. I wanted to kind of just girl in Japan, but with technology, we are top of it because it is a new problem that you know, the world is really never faced at least not at the exponential rate. Like, you mentioned it's just gone from, you know, from two thousand two thousand nineteen you know, it's just it's just amazing. What's up there? So we are on top of YouTube and try to watch how much springtime they get. From the phone. Hi pet the TV screen. So we're just turn everything off. We don't have TV's in their rooms. And you know, a lot of times we just leave everything off and then as far as social media and cyberbullying. We they're not at age is yet to where that's an issue. But I know that it will be and it's something that I didn't have to deal with and neither did my wife. So we are you know, where we haven't high on it where aware of it. And I I don't really have a plan developed as how I'm going to manage that yet. But in all honesty, they're probably not gonna have social media accounts social media accounts as early as a lot of their friends are they're probably going to get angry at daddy for that. But it is what it is. Because it's not my job to be their best, buddy. All the time. My job is to be their father. And I want, you know, alternately they'll a little stand that one day, and I also had to keep them actively engaged in other things. So we'll take the. Hammer out, and we'll hit you know, state park and can't and I loved it. Because my daughter said, hey, will you take the ipad boring, and then she runs us she's climbing on a tree somewhere or making little polices with a rope and around and doing all this stuff. So I try to get them in. There we go down to the beach, and I get involved with them. So that they're active. You know, we'll we'll get on the skin pores, although spreading out with no, fishing, whatever. And that way, I'm intentionally keeping them actively engaged on something else. And then when we get back. Okay. Yeah. You wanna wanna watch movie on the ipad or something and down a little bit? Then they have appreciation for that. Yeah. Back to the cyberbullying. I'm not really sure, but we're gonna watch it. It's wild. You know, I think like. The line. I wasn't me. And my friends did we were we were bad kids or anything like that by any means? And but there were there were times instances where man I thought that's a night that I'm glad was not broadcast to the entire world. Right. And we've all been there. We'll know everyone's walking around around with they live video feed in their pocket at nineteen twenty years old without the hall whenever the parties to it's just a recipe for something. We've just never had to prepare for because you want them to go out and have fun find themselves find their founder east, but at the same time one that, you know, sentence one bad action one bad night can be something that stays with you forever now on social media. And I I'm not really sure what the solution to that is. But that's something. I need any for. Sure. Yeah. It's definitely an on the job training thing for myself as well here. Our oldest is about to be a teenager. We got a little over week to go here. And there's a whole new form appear. Out there to deal with. I mean, whereas back in the day. It was maybe we're close you war or who you hung out with today. It's more about what phone you have what apps you're using who's in your Snapchat group, or whatever they got going on. It's a whole different world. And I'm trying to catch up with it. And learn about it as fast as possible here. And I think you're taking the home, you know, high school tough time for kids between other popular any and everything and self identification. And you look at you add in, you know, followers, and I work in a lot of high school. I talked to the the student athletes often about not allowing critics or other people to define who they are people's opinions to game self-awareness, but don't allow them to define what you believe about your eventual your capable of composting. And like, you know, I believe everybody's born for greatness. With was social media. That adds another layer that, you know, having Twitter, followers, Instagram followers. Do I what if they just a whole another layer to an already difficult situation? Yeah. Definitely. All right. And you are the owner of stonewall solutions. What kind of got you started with that? And what can you tell my listeners about it? Well, it really got started by accident. I mean, it it's you know, I kind of stay behind the scenes a little bit and on. No, I was asked by a friend when I came home from deployment to Iraq in twenty fourteen. I came home, and if say will you well, I my my my college baseball coach at middle. Tennessee State ask for me to come speak to the team. And then after that, a friend who was working with the Vanderbilt football team must be if I was speak to the team and then run them through some active team building drills. And so I decided to do that that went really well. And then from there I worked with the the in Pennsylvania, it's not high school. They won the state title. And I worked with a football team that fall independence high school here in Tennessee. And I just a small piece of the equation. But when the plane has all the elements in things work out. They went from six and five to MAC address number one national ranking, and then from there just continued to snowball, and then it's off on the corporate side. So now, I provide leadership consulting services team building. Programs. So, you know groups from Bank of America to planet, fitness, the local high schools unit, I just like to go where where I'm desired and the best, you know, the best training possible. And what I noticed was a lot of times, we have people come in and talk about leadership or mental toughness, but they rarely tell you how to be mentally tough and heard a leader how to respond to it. I say up properly and how to gain process improvement, and that's ended to create a system where it's less about their motivation stuff in there, and I do talk about three inches from war. But that's what it's about. It's not about me. It's about the experiences and what I went from working with better myself, and then just sharing those with others. So that they can learn to succeed in a format where you're providing skill sets that people can immediately apply division is great. But it wears off. And you know, so I don't wanna say, hey, the a great teammate because we were great teammates brothers in the team's feels good. I want you to know the perform. Value in that house. We're gonna actually make you succeed better at what you do. And I believe that's the formula that I figured out what he's busy. Yeah. That's awesome. Jason I'm like, I said before I just think it's so beneficial to our entire society have access to somebody like you to your whole entire community. I think it's just you guys offer so much you come from a place of genuine experience. I think is really great. And it's a great asset for so many people what's next for you. You've had so many accomplishments. You got the stonewall solutions going on? Are you ever considering a book at some point here about your journey? What kind of goals or plans, they have a future? Yeah. Yeah. I was. So like when I first started this when we're. When we're penny. More already do what I used to do for a living. Because for me, it was it was just you know, never that. And and for most of not and. Seeing how sharing my experiences was helping others. And so I just wanted to make sure that I was doing it in the right? My nothing through careful with that. And believe I figured out. They pretty good system to that. And as I said, it's about the experiences, not me and the just hearing what I learned for better than me. And and and the guy's got to walk alongside. So I am working on a book. I have a podcast as well. I have lessons learned on the website where I also write for a magazine called inside pitch and traveling around the country, and I do, you know trees and fations half they seminars, and then with some corporate teams, I work as a consultant around the year help, you know, provide solutions for specific challenges or just train them periodically through leadership. So I for me, I really like working at the high school level, and then I really like working with corporate groups and thinking in and helping them find solutions to these problems that they isn't they face. So that's. Action. I wanna take it in and continue to do. So I have workbooks that go with the training. So the outline for the official book is will be there. And the next thing is I do get more volume or calls than I can handle and times pricing. Budgeting is an issue so problem going create an online, training course at a discounted rate. Where either if I'm booked out, or if budgeting is an issue you can go on there. Get the same training. Just personally prerecorded of download the workbook works material on your own at your own pace. And then get the same level of training 'cause I really do try to respond every single message and everything that I did it gets difficult sometimes, and it's a wonderful problem to have some trying to create some processes and systems where they can get that get that information to to everyone, you know, whether it's a fifteen year old young man struggling to throw. Oh strikes in the mound, or you know, or Procedo or whatever it is. Visit. But honestly ever since the started it just kind of fell into lap. And it's been a haven't gotten more than I can handle, you know, God provided the right things at the right time. And I just wanna continue to let it the way it's supposed to develop I focused on producing results. And if people that work with me succeed and get results the rest will take care of it self, you know. Yeah. Very well said all right last thing. I wanna hit you hear Jason. I love to ask all the dads. Get on the podcast, what type of advice? Do you have in that new father or for that about to be dad who's out there listening? Yeah. It goes fast. And I had a real issue with being with the from doing the kind of work that I was doing with the limits in special operations, and then moving pretty much immediately into start a business. I struggled with having a strong. You know, mental presence. I was there. I was distracted my mind elsewhere often. So would I. I'd say is when you have time or when you're with your children walk in completely to what they're doing and look for detail. Okay. Hey, I'm here with them. I'm locked in with them look for detail. Look for the dimples in the face the way, they smile the way they laugh and look for those little inter details, and that's going to help you really be in the moment, even more. And then as I got even busier in the business tested him like it was a choice. You know, we're out of money, and I had food on the table. So I had to get out there, and I had to work and it took a tremendous. What I started to do was I would just schedule out my time. So when they get home from school from this time to this time that is their time. I'm putting everything else away at first I tried to do. Well. Sit here and play a game with them or whatever that the right way to do it it wasn't affected. So now, I put a schedule that time at once. It's there it is there to the point where at times, it will turn my phone off or you know, just shut down all the electron electric and walk into what they're doing. And then for me, you know, I haven't read a lot of books or really any on parenting or anything like that. But for kids are doing wonderful, so far I wanted to do. But I I just try to love him. You know, it's not a let them as much as I can and be there for them. And also, find their love language and lock into that. And I've noticed that it's different for them for my kids. There's different ones, you know, one. We're just really love quality time. Another one loves when I when I, you know, bring her gifts, or and and so it's, you know, figuring out what it is that they respond to and this spending that time with them because it's it's like every two years or even every six months when they're real little you have a different. Version of of the same person. But completely different version, you know, and you just only have so much time. For instance, my wife the other night, and you know, my my daughter was daddy. You come in here. I want to read a book to you. You know, she wanted to read to me. Eat million things going on important thing. Pat's wife, you know, one day, you will there's no amount of money. You wouldn't give to be able to go back there and have type radio book. And right now, you have that chance you need to stop what you're doing back there. You're all right. And so you know what I mean? And that's it. So locked into the time. And, you know, be present was well said great advice. I love the message. This has been an honor for me, you are first class father. And I gotta say Jason Koon. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time on first glance bothered. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. I'm back with a couple of closing thoughts. And just a second here. Back to wrap things up here. I bothered. I gotta give a special. Thank you. Once again to Jason Koon forgive me a few minutes of his time here. It was so cool. Police at me up on Twitter guys me that over on Instagram. Let me know door about today's episode. I always love to hear your feedback. And then lock it the first last fatherhood. I know the kids have off next week. We're going to keep grinding right here on the podcast. I got an action packed full of content for you dads out there. I really hope you enjoy your time off what your kids. I hope you have a blessed and happy Easter, and I will be back here on Monday with Tim Brent. And we're gonna follow it through. We got George pink Bush next week Thomas O'Neill, rob O'Neill's, dad. So it's gonna be a lot of fun bring it back here. And celebrate bother who would me. That's all I got for you guys today. I'm Alex lace. You have been listening to first place bothered, and please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers, and we're not just fathers. We are first class fathers. Man. So. Joke. Sometimes I open. No. Town.

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354- Weeding is Fundamental

"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm Roman Mars. There's a common complaint that people don't read books anymore, but the truth is print book sales are up these days since twenty thirteen sales of physical books have increased every year. I people attributed this to the rise of adult coloring books, but even as their popularity has dwindled book sales have risen, I'm talking about physical old fashioned books with paper pages full of words. We love them the great Argentinean writer or hey, Louise, four Hayes once said, I cannot sleep unless I am surrounded by books, and I kind of agree that's reporter Pierce Geli. Although he's not normally a reporter. I'm a graduate student in creative writing and for the past two years, I've taught fiction writing to undergrads at the university of Virginia. I assign a lot of reading, but mostly it's in the form of photocopied pages. Don't worry the printshop pays for the rights. I don't wanna force my students to buy too much. But I always make sure I assign at least one physical book. And I always try to pick something that's beautiful one with nice font. A lovely page design pleasing paper grain and intriguing cover. Don't get me wrong. The words inside matter too. But I think it's important for my students to have an object that accentuates the pleasure of the physical act of reading and something they would hold onto after the class it ended. I personally toss hundreds of pages of radio scripts and the recycling bin every month. But I would have a really hard time throwing away a book once the pages have a spine. It's like they have a soul it would feel wrong. Like, you're spitting on knowledge itself. It's so hard to get rid of books. This is a story about books and brace yourself how to get rid of them. And in the words of REM. It starts with an earthquake. San Francisco in the background, and we zoom into keen little stick far was the most bay area sporting event imaginable. The Oakland A's replaying the San Francisco Giants in the nineteen eighty nine World Series coming into the third game on October seventeenth nineteen Eighty-nine. The as were in the lead. They had won the first two games Jose Canseco to score. And he fails to get Dave Parker. But just as the third game was about to kick off. The TV broadcast cut out. When the signal came back. It was no longer a baseball game. Gerald jennings. And the channel seven newsroom as you may have noticed our power was knocked out at the early minutes. Early minutes of the Loma Prieta earthquake which struck near Santa Cruz. This was the first major earthquake ever to be broadcast live on national TV report of a person trapped in an elevator in shelter bay. Art of the bay bridge had been destroyed there were fires volun- buildings widespread. Power outages in all there were sixty three deaths and almost four thousand injuries. But this is a story about what happened to the San Francisco public library after this earthquake and because of this earth quake. The library suffered a lot of damage especially on the higher floors. So one of the things about an earthquake is the effective. It is intensified the higher up you go on the upper levels of the library floors had caved in Jason Gibbs was a new librarian there. But he couldn't go to work for two months after the quake. It was too dangerous. He says bookshelves had collapsed sideways or fallen on their faces and books. Leeann piles everywhere like the books had been tossed around by some angry force. No one was injured at the San Francisco public library. But the earthquake dumped half a million books on the floor, even after two months of repairs. The post earthquake situation in San Francisco public library was still pretty bad library management determined that the stacks weren't safe and designated a new room for public browsing librarians curated a selection of books that they thought the public would most like to read and those books went in that room, but they. They realized along the way that not every book was going to fit. In other words, even this winnow down selection of books was too large for the vailable space. They needed to winnow it down even more earthquakes happen. We don't have this shelving anymore. We need to make space. That's a reasonable thing to do if you approach it in a thoughtful way because libraries do get rid of books all the time earthquake or not put simply there are so many new books coming in every day and only a finite amount of library space, the practice of freeing up library space is cold weeding. If you think about it, it's it sounds ugly. But it is a really good description, but sir mckellar she supervises team services of the Oakland public library a Allman went down the street, the visitor and see how she weeds you have to weed your garden for like the flowers to grow. I'm not a gardener. And weeding is not just about holding the book in your hands and asking yourself if that book sparks. Joy, there's really really specific guidelines were not just randomly grabbing books off the shelf and putting them in the trash mckellar and many other librarians libraries all over the world, we their shelves using the same set of guidelines than it has an excellent acronym. Musty M U S T Y is for misleading or factually inaccurate. You is for ugly little ugly. It's like the covers a little broken. Isn't the fact that it's so beat up an indication, but it was loved for. Sure. So if it's been checked out in the last three years, I'd probably actually buy a new copy of it. If it hasn't been checked out in the last three years, I would probably consider it for withdrawal pursue preceded by new edition or much better book. This would be like an old manual for windows ninety eight or an outdated travel guide. These are the kinds of books that get shredded in the last two letters or t for trivial and y for your collection has no use for this book because they really want that musty acronym to work. Those last two the tea in the UAE trivial and your library has no need for this book. These are the tricky ones, they're not necessarily statements affect their judgments of value. What's trivial to me might be very important to you and vice versa. But even here these judgment calls are made by librarians who specialize in the relevant section based on circulation statistics. You just have to trust that your librarians were doing their best for the public. We want to be able to keep bringing you than most relevant most current information. And the only way to do that is by having room to do it. So the only way we can do that is by sometimes withdrawing the things that are not as useful anymore, although some sections according to the library guidelines are generally self weeding. In other words, they disappear of people feel him. Yeah. Certain sections of the library tend to disappear more than others books about marijuana the bible, and they called are probably the biggest ones I can think of but for the sections that do have to get weeded weeding. Is generally a touchy subject the reason why is probably already clear to you people. Don't like the idea of books being thrown away. We like books a lot, and perhaps no one loves books more than librarians. There's a part of you that just winces every time you have to remove a book. I mean, he'll books are dear to us. Hardawy maturing has a librarian is to get over that a little bit. Yes. Weeding is normal and necessary. But after the nineteen eighty nine earthquake the San Francisco public library started weeding an unusual amount of books. The librarians were told to move quickly, and they didn't use musty or any sort of comparable system. The librarians were ordered to go through each collection book by book and insert a slip of paper into each green yellow and red green meant the book had been checked out that year, yellow meant the book had been checked out in the last two years and read meant that it had been over two years since somebody had checked out that book. And the read books were the ones that were potential danger danger because management had decided that the read books had to go compared to the careful consideration of musty the system of the green yellow and red cards is a rather blunt instrument is certainly not the only measure whether somebody is borrowed it within the last period of time. It felt rather arbitrary, and it wasn't really clear where the red card books were going to go or if they would ever be used again in Jason gibbs's department, for example, the art and music collection. The discarded books got sent to an abandoned hospital owned by the city because there was nowhere else to put them even battle librarians. Like Gibbs felt that the weeding was happening. Too fast. You had librarians different sections weeding furiously and not really communicating with each other. As a consequence. Lots and lots of books were removed from the library. And no one quite knew how many because no one was keeping track. It was ultimate. I think a weakness of management from the top Jason Gibbs is a pretty even keeled guy. But that's his diplomatic way of saying that the problems began with the headline Breyer in at that time. A man named Kenneth Daolin within a year a tube. You could be visiting the public library without leaving your home since this is years leading up to the nineteen eighty nine earthquake. The San Francisco public library was starting to rethink its whole approach to books in light of a new little thing called the internet. Imagine plugging a computer like this one into any telephone in the world and being able to search any library in the world and a big part of his pivot was when in nineteen eighty-seven San Francisco hired Kenneth Daolin as its new city librarian as San Francisco city librarian kindling must make sure that two million people have access to eighteen million books and other information on a limited budget Delon was all about the internet. He had recently published a book called the electric library in which. Argued that technology was changing the way people used information and therefore changing the role of librarians. This is a clip day internet web world if you will collapse this time collapses distance and his claps in cost. If this sounds unremarkable not to mention a bit quaint keep in mind that Tao Lin with saying all this stuff as early as nineteen Eighty-four. He certainly understood at an early stage what the internet was going to do for communication. But there was a flip side to Tao Lin's, visionary concept of digitally networked, libraries, some people felt that Dow had a distressing lack of concern for books. There was his sense that when it came to the physical collections he didn't. He just didn't have any interests Dallin was also overseeing the design of a new main library for the city of San Francisco, which would complete his vision of the library of the future. The city is building a new one hundred million dollar library that is wired for computers as well as television. This new library would have twice as much space as the old one, but a big chunk of that space wasn't going to be for shelving books. Instead much of the libraries interior was devoted to an idiom in the middle of the building which would rise eighty six feet to a conical glass roof, lots of librarians worried that this big empty atrium wouldn't leave a lot of space for books. The atrium was evidence. That books were not the sole priority of this building. And Dell in wasn't going to let a good. Crisis code away. St-? There was quake was a perfect excuse to do what he wanted to do anyway, shrink the physical collection before the move to the new space Dowling's administration started sending books to landfills in the days after the quake books are being sent out by the truckload several times a week. This is not normal library practice twenty-seven librarians signed a petition asking Kenneth Dallin for the weaning to stop. But that didn't work. So Jason Gibbs and his colleagues decided to do something in any institution. You have a variety of people. There are some people who will just kind of do whatever they're told. And then there are other people feel like they have a higher calling to the profession gives and librarians from several other departments felt that higher calling they banded together and call themselves the guerrilla librarians gorilla like the freedom. Fighter fighting for the freedom to not put little slips of red paper on books against the. Orders of management. Let's just say that we did not withdraw books because they hadn't circulated. We generally held on to the collection. Jason says that other guerrilla Burien snuck into the stacks and replaced red slips with green ones, thereby designating the book as a circulating book and keeping it in the collection the grill librarians wanted to determine exactly how many books had been weeded, and how many had been dumped. But nobody had any idea. How many books are being taken away? And there was a risk that they'd never be able to find out the magnitude of this massive clearing because Kenneth Dallin decided to get rid of the physical card catalog, those files full of index cards chronically each book, the card catalogue is an artifact aren't back, but I will not support the view that the card catalogue is a working technology to help people. Find books anymore is not and most of the libraries oral know that and have moved on. He was right about this already at that point more than ninety percent of the name. Libraries had computerized their card. Catalogs. The earthquake itself allowed the San Francisco public library to modernize their catalog with a disaster relief money they were granted the library was able to get electric catalog software. So now logically Dowling wanted to get rid of the physical card catalogue, which the library had stopped updating in nineteen Ninety-one San Francisco's old card. Catalogue was not moved to the new library. It is locked up and inaccessible to the public. But this move to get rid of the old card catalogue caused a surprisingly intense outcry from the guerrilla librarians, and it wasn't just a matter of nostalgia or personal preference fiscal card catalog said exactly what was in the library before all the arbitrary weeding. If a book was red tagged in weeded, it wouldn't be registered in the new digital system. There would be no record it had ever existed at all. And so the old card catalogue was more than just a card catalogue the card catalogue is evidence evidence. Of a purge to get to the card. Catalogue the librarians pulled out their secret weapon Nicholson Baker I'm Nicholson Baker. And I am a writer of books fiction nonfiction, and I became for a brief period of time a library activist. Bigger is a writer of novels and essays that celebrate the minutia of daily life and in nineteen Ninety-four Baker had gotten national attention for a New Yorker article about the disposal of physical card. Catalogs a practice that it'd become increasingly common, and which upset Baker allot the San Francisco public library had a very ornate beautiful card catalog that feeling that you have when your fingers would dance over the little cardboard pieces. And and you could tell a subject that was popular because the tops were darker. There's all sorts of tricks that were just fun. The guerrilla librarians reached out to Baker for help by now it was nineteen Ninety-six and the new library was nearing completion the lost books. Evidenced only by their locked away card catalog were teetering on the edge of disregard in their Email to Nicholson Baker the librarians wrote, you're the only one who can save now. Part of me thought, oh, God, this is gonna kit complicated. Oh it. Would at the time. Baker was living just across the bay in Berkeley. So we made a formal request to inspect the card catalogue can down denied that request. So Baker sued the library for access to the card catalogue, never sue anything. If you can avoid it and don't sue library. This lawsuit took a while. And it was a bit of a mess, but it automatically classified the card catalogue as a public document now the library had to keep it. And then Baker and the guerrilla librarians got to work in secret. And you know, you can imagine this with kind of mission impossible music going. Yes. Please. The grill librarians snuck into off-limits areas in the library. They took away books that we're going to be destroyed. In other words, they stole them the guerrillas stockpiled hundreds and hundreds of library discards in their homes in their cars and their offices and lockers and boxes all in the hope that they would someday be returned to the library Nicholson Baker stole books too. I was driving back and forth across the bay bridge with my car full of books that I had actually found in this place was the de-selection room. Baker ignored the staff only science and walked right into the de-selection room. The basement storage all the places where the SF P L restoring books. He picked up a bunch of books that had no match in the online catalogue and found some real treasures, the hit stored all these including seventeenth century, very valuable books and stuff was down there. Baker along with a historian began comparing the online catalogue. The physical card catalog as they cross referenced the two lists. It turned out that a lot of books were missing way more than anyone had expected. Let me tell you what an opening day celebration today at less in April of nineteen ninety six the new main library opened its doors with panache about fanfare, nothing less than a parachute jump into Civic Center with the man holding this embolic key to the new library and win in may of nineteen Ninety-six about a month after the library opened the guerrilla librarians organized an event in the library auditorium were Baker delivered a speech, stating what he had found Baker contended. The Dow was responsible for a massive destruction of books the systematic removal to a landfill of at least two hundred thousand rooms, and I just said it right there in the library itself in a talk. And I think it really startled people the phrase that. I Baker the most attention was when he called this mass disposal. Hey, quote, hate crime directed at the past this really upset library management and became this kind of minor dust up in San Francisco word had begun to spread that Baker was writing another story for the New Yorker one specifically about this whole weeding debacle. So the president of the library commission road to the New Yorkers editor at that time and attempted to kill the peace by discrediting Baker. It didn't work and baker's article came out in October of nineteen ninety six it was called the author versus the library. A current New Yorker article called it the great book purge climbing more than one hundred thousand rare and one of a kind books for hall to the dump. And then things got a little out of hand the library hit back condemning Baker for accusing them of a hate crime. And saying that he misunderstood the problem. They also tried to discredit him because of some bad math. He had reported. It turns out one of the grill ally. Berens had messed up the measurements of the old library shelves. In fact, the new library had much more space for books than the old one. It was a very bad era was very embarrassing. Although it didn't change the fact that the library had taken so many books to the dump then both sides started lobbing insults at each other. As the local and national press piled on one paper compared Baker to the Unibond. Mer it was basically an analog Twitter feud, I wasn't prepared to be part of it. I didn't know that. I was getting into that kind of a battle. It was really ugly and even from guerrilla librarian, Jason gibbs's standpoint, the whole weeding controversy got a little blown out of proportion. It probably was not as horrible as Nicholson Baker made it out, but it was horrible enough. Meanwhile, the new library itself had already been built, and it was judging from the influx of visitors a success is charges and countercharges fly three times as many visitors streamed through. The doors of the new library indication that some book lovers welcomed the change. Some of those books saved by the grill. I burns and boxes lockers were transferred back into the collection. All the books and Jason Gibbs department our music made it back, but he says that many of the other books did they stayed gone and many of them probably got discarded Nicholson Baker says he still has some of the books. He stockpiled given the painful experience of the controversy the library wasn't really interested in resolving them. But at the end of the day, the controversy wasn't only about what to do with old books. It was a debate about what books are are. They beautiful objects that we can smell and touch and collect or are they attornal sources of knowledge accessible to everyone in the ether. Well, it and it's both in a given research quest you and I might want to find out. What is in a book in the fastest possible way? Will nowadays. It's it's miraculous. Sometimes you want the words sometimes you want more than the words. You want the words laid out on the page. Clearly Nicholson Baker can see Dahlan's perspective. But Baker maintains that we shouldn't give up on the printed page, his argument, and the public battle around it in the nineties was a big reason why the San Francisco public library, totally overhauled their collections policies. They made it apology that if a library branch is considering weeding last copy of some book, they must send that copy to a subject specialists who will decide if it can be weeded or not and for the books that do have to go the San Francisco public library developed a community redistribution program to make sure the extra copies of popular books can live on somewhere else. We distribute them to schools and city colleges in prisons and strangely enough. One of the biggest changes to the modern practice of weeding is something that Kenneth Dell and himself helped establish online communication between libraries you in an ideal world, you might wanna have every book, but we just don't have. Have the shelf space for every book? So you rely on somebody else's shelves hold the boat. Some libraries spell musty with an eye and an e at the end instead of a y for misleading ugly, superseded, trivial irrelevant or elsewhere. Like if a copy of the book is at another library nearby, Jason Gibbs at the SF PL and Sharon mckellar across the bay, the Oakland public library can now communicate with each other instantly. So they can share book space and make different volumes available to readers in both cities. And this has huge implications for what gets weeded, and why in this respect can Daolin was very, right. He certainly failed in terms of managing the collection. But he succeeded to the extent of bringing us to you know, in into the wider network of libraries online and yet still because of baker's nineteen Ninety-six lawsuit. The San Francisco public library has kept the old card catalogue. There are legally required to the card. Catalogue was. Way of holding onto the memory of a quarter of a million books that had gotten rid of those cabinets full of cards are still there and storage practically barricaded by all kinds of other supplies. But I'll I'll I'll go down and visit it. Just to say hi, there will just just to know. What's there? After this weeding debacle Nicholson Baker became even more vested in philosophies and practices of archiving and went on to publish a book that touched on all this call double fold it looks at these events in the much broader context of the digitisation of libraries and this book is now commonly assigned in master's programs in library science. We read the Nicholson Baker book in library school. That's your and mckellar again from the Oakland public library. She says that the debacle at the San Francisco public library has become a case study about weeding. Why we do we eat and how we should we'd and what could be done, you know, how to do it. Well, and what to avoid and all that kind of stuff. And when it's done well with care and consideration weeding isn't so bad at all for me. Weeding is fun. It's a chance to really touch the books and see how they're doing and see what people are interested in. That's what all of this comes down to. It's what people are interested in weeding isn't just about what to cut. It's also about what to keep. It's about. What the public wants to read your voice does matter, and we're maintaining a collection for the public and for the people who use it. And so every time you check out a book from the library. You're casting vote to your local librarian roving the stacks to keep this title in circulation for everyone to read. 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Sisters are Davey Nelson N Nikki Silva to audio documentary pioneers who are like the godmothers of the radio Topi collective you can hear their stories regularly on NPR, and we're lucky to have their podcast called the kitchen. Sisters presents on radio topa the current series. They're working on is called the keepers. It's all about the guardians of history. The eccentric individuals who take it upon themselves to protect the free flow of information and preserve some part of our cultural heritage. And when we were producing our story this week about the preservation of the SF peels book collections. I thought a lot about the kitchen sister's keeper series, and this story in particular, and I want to share it with you. This episode is called the pack horse librarians of eastern Kentucky. My name is Mary Roos shooter. Deiter ninety seven years old way traveled on a horses riding down in the mountains of Kentucky, very poor country. Delivered books to children pay for Tabar. It was one of the works of prose. It at Roosevelt. That's Ruth, one of the last of the pack horse librarians today episode two in the keeper series stories of activist archivists rogue, librarians, curator's, collectors and historians. The kitchen sisters present the pack horse librarians of eastern Kentucky. Bob problem is to put the work. Three and one half million and flyable push men and women. One now on the relief role in the depression as horrible years after nineteen twenty nine the Appalachians were hit. So hard coal mines were being shut down. Lots of people in dire poverty. Eleanor Roosevelt decided to help create projects that would specifically benefit women children. My name is Heather Henson, author of that book woman. Eleanor Roosevelt felt very strongly about the Packers library project. Who? I think we. The pack horse librarians mostly women road circuits round eighteen to twenty miles. They followed animal Pez fence lines. I'm Cathy uphill. I co wrote down cut in creek, the pack horse librarians of Kentucky, they would stuff their saddlebags or a low case with books and strike out by horseback or mule to provide library service to the remote. Areas of the Kentucky mountains going into the Appalachian mountains of Kentucky was going back in time. No running water, no electricity, very few schools families live way up in the mountains. A creek bed. That would be the road. We've forwarded greasy creek. Torches across radio would way up to your. So you don't get it for aid. You do your job. And it was a hit you had to be hardy being able to clamber up the side of a mountain on a horse. You had to know the roads and creek beds. My name is Elisa McGraw, I wrote a story about the pack horse librarians for the Smithsonian. One county would start a pack horse library another county would hear about it. They would want one then that community would ask the WPA to let them hire carriers. Many of them were women between twenty five and thirty five there weren't people coming in from outside to take jobs from people who were in the community. They were local women familiar with the people who wanted to read and what they might wanna read. My grandmother. She was a horseback librarian. She was involved with the WPA because that was the workforce of the time because eastern Kentucky you either worked or you starve to death. I'm Rick Overby grandson of grace caudal Lucas. She would rather that horse carriage trails mudholes of going back up into these hollers. She didn't own the horse. She rented it or fifty cents a week. She would range the books in a pack. They would ride behind her on the saddle. She would haul around up to one hundred and not only books, but magazines of the time and newspaper. Young mother with two small children her husband left in the depression. A lot of men did that. Was to invest sister. Was that a mutt? Old age Richard over on the sun, grace, Colorado Guga's on mother who she get up over morning that four thirty feed me, and my sister, take us to my grandma till she got home at night, and then he would feed this and push debated are all lower next day. Dollar day. Huge lead the heavy he vote groceries and things that we'd never had before. Only thing. The federal government provided was the salary for the carriers. My name is Jean Schnitzer co-authored down cut, shin creek pack horse library of eastern Kentucky lane a Naf seer one of the leaders in the Kentucky library association really goes to bat for this project. She started something called the penny fund. It asked for all of the state parent teacher associations to donate a penny. Children donated pennies one little school collected enough pennies to make a dollar and they sent the dollar in this being the depression. It was hard for people to give up anything. I mean, even a penny drive was taxing as people from all over the United States learned about this. They would donate castoff magazines us. Used books Swiss family Robinson, Heidi better homes and gardens National Geographic, popular mechanics by nineteen thirty seven they'd gotten sixty thousand books. The librarians would go through the ragged magazines and dilapidated books, and they would cannibalize them deconstructed, remix them and create these new scrapbooks. I'm Jason Vance librarian middle Tennessee State university library manual for WPA Pakuris library projects. The following scrapbooks have been found useful. Recipes mountain ballots Kentucky history odd names articles on a particular subject dogs Spain, Nazis model airplanes carriers would collect recipes and patterns for quilts from people around put them together into a scrapbook and share county to county nineteen forty there were two thousand five hundred eighty two of the scrapbooks. They became part of the circulating collection pack horse librarians were creating these cultural artifacts. Snapshots of life and eastern Kentucky during the great depression. So happy to get a book, go to death. We always say under the Bill chestnut tree. They didn't know how to read celebrity, and so we get owners and Kentucky in nineteen thirty illiteracy in the southeastern counties was anywhere from nineteen to thirty one percent. Some people were originally a little bit leery of the pack horse librarians because reading was seen as sort of a leisure activity when you're trying to get this corn Hoed and work done on a small farm. Somebody can't be sitting with their feet up reading this was just frivolous. There was a lot of illiteracy there, the pack horse librarians would sit and read to people at the houses then mount back up and get going. They were really hoofing it to get done before. Dr. Grace was out on a winter day. And it started to sleep is falling out of the sky. Normally, she might have stopped at one of the households along the way and spent the night that the last house on her circuit was a family that she knew if she stayed there that they would feed her and likely that would mean nothing for the kids. So she just pushed on before she could get home. She had to cross. A creek the water was high enough it covered her stirrups by the time. She got home her feet were encased in pice. Our should he wish we on through the creeks? She had mountains climate. The program ended in nineteen forty three were in the war or pulling out of this depression, the library program was no longer fun bid by the federal government the salaries for carriers, but nineteen fifty four the state of Kentucky starts a bookmobile program. In alaska. There are Bush playing librarians in Africa. There's camel librarians in Louisiana there were floating librarians polling flat boats in the bodies in Thailand, they're using elephants and Zimbabwe the reason donkeys in Mongolia. Core. Strong mind we think of librarians is the quintessential Marian the librarian somebody who puts the books back on the shelves dust and make sure that everything's tidy librarians are determined bunch. They're far more subversive than that. The pack horse librarians of eastern Kentucky was produced by the kitchen sisters and mixed by Jim Mckee. You can hear more from the keeper series on their podcast the kitchen sisters present from radio Tokyo. Ninety nine percent invisible. Was produced this week by Pierce Kelly in edited by Avery trauman mixing tech production by Sharieff, Yousef music by Sean rail. Katie mingle is the senior producer kolstad is the digital director. The rest of the team includes senior editor Delaney hall, Joe Rosenberg, Emmett FitzGerald, Terry mouth, Vivien Leigh. Sophia clad skirt and me, Roman Mars, Ken Dolan, did not respond to our various requests for an interview on the San Francisco public library story, but a very special thanks to all the librarians who helped on context and background especially Shelley cocking and Mindy limits ski both from the San Francisco public library. Thanks as well to Oran rebuffs ski. We are product of anyone point seven KLW in San Francisco in produced on radio row in beautiful downtown, Oakland, California. Ninety nine percent invisible is a member of radio topa from PRI fiercely independent collective of the most innovative shows in all podcasting. Find them all at radio, topiary dot FM. You can find the show. Join discussions about the show on Facebook. You can tweet me at Roman Mars and the show at ninety nine PI org, run Instagram tumbler and read it too. But the full archive of all things ninety nine percent of those people is that ninety nine p I dot org. Radio tim. Ex. 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"Live from the headquarters of Ramsey solutions broadcasting from a dollar com rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show. The debt is dumb cash is king and the paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey your her host. Thank you for joining us. We're so glad you're here open phones at triple eight eight five five two two five. That's triple eight eight two five. I five two to five ray is with us in Chicago. Hi Ray how are you hi Dave. Thanks for taking my call sure man what's up all right. I was calling because my wife and I are on baby steps four or five and six and We have to high school seniors they. They just graduated are two kids. high school saying that just graduated. We have another one in high school as well. He's a sophomore now but we home school so We got a sixteen year old. An eighteen year old graduated at the same time anyway we started your program late in life so we do not have any college savings and obviously we need to resume you know paying regain zoom retirement savings and that kind of thing so it's going to get some advice. So maybe how to navigate that not sure. What's your household income it's usually let's see okay. It's I would say. W- I'd say one twenty five James My wife works part time and you're debt free and you're debt free except your home and you have your emergency place a much your house payment seventeen seventeen fifty actually breathe think eighteen hundred when you're in a position to cash flow and help some but not just to write the checks and pay for it yeah yeah yeah yeah like my eighteen year old. He just started as a server at cracker barrel so thinking of talking with him about pay you know using portion ezio using half using seven five percents whatever and then you know setting up with him. They are interested. They've been listening to a lot of stuff. We talk about so they are interested in being debt free. I want to start with the student loan so they're going to college here. Hello there's four or five things you can do to get through school. Debt Free when you broke okay and that's where you guys are. You're sure you're not completely broke but as far as college goes you're broke and so because as you said it's a late start on things the biggest variable Ariel by far that determines whether or not you can get through school debt. Free is the cost of school and so college choice choosing like you said spent some time in the community college to a couple of years there that's much cheaper. It's usually about twenty five percent of regular tuition. You can get the basics out of the way there and of course a lot of people live at home when they're doing that so it saves on housing costs and other things then the other thing we're looking at is in in state tuition so here's what happens. The college you graduate from is where you get your degree so no one says. Did you go to school there for years. For instance I graduated from the University of Tennessee I went to Middle East Middle Tennessee State University and all also also a state school. My First Year transferred up to University of Tennessee after three year and went three years there but no one ever says Dave. Did you go anywhere else. It's a matter of fact very very few people even know what I just told. You you know is not. I'm not ashamed of it. Him Tissues a fine school but it was in our area and I lived at home the first year and drove back and forth because that's all I can afford to do so. That's what you do you pick a car. You can afford to drive you pick a school. You can afford to go to and so you take an inexpensive school to get your degree. In of course we're GONNA study something. That actually has application in the marketplace the second thing you're GonNa do and you've already done this. Junior gets a job and I'm not sure and I like cracker barrel eight there but I'm not sure cracker barrel jobs going to get you through school. You need to make more than probably is making their unless getting really good tips because you need to get up fifteen dollars an hour eighteen dollars an hour average and that's going to be welcome. Dogs cutting grass deliver pizzas. You know some stuff like that to get your per hour up up and you're gonNA work a lot. I worked a lot when I was in college. You probably work for you in college. It's not child abuse actually good for them okay and so as a matter of fact the studies tell us that you have a higher percentage of people who work while they're in school graduate and we have a higher higher. GPA the ones that work while they're in school and I think it's because they're having to pay for it so they actually freaking go to class. I guess that's probably got something to do with it. I don't now but we've got all kinds of studies. Give us that answer the the varsity athletes and people who work while they're in school have a much higher class. Lhasa tournaments and a Machar glad graduation rate and a much higher. GPA and I guess it's just because there's so much required. You have to organize your life. You know so class our school choice. The next thing I would do is say let's take the act and then let's take a class on how to take the act and then retake. Most schools are super scoring now meaning meaning. If you take the test three times they take your highest math score of the three I take your house English core of the three that take your science score three and they put the the best stop them all together to create a super score and that makes you more eligible for scholarships which brings me to the idea that we're going to apply for. I don't know maybe a thousand scholarships chips juniors also new part time jobs you get turned down for probably nine hundred and fifty of them but if you get twenty or thirty of them at a thousand bucks it'll get you through and so you just it's a high. It's a numbers game so scholarships school choice work while you're in school. Of course we're choosing a again again a field. That actually has something where you can get a job when you get out but you can work through when you get in school. I looked it up. University of Tennessee is a fairly normal university university state university school. It's about average as far as golf's goes thirteen thousand six dollars a year right now for in state tuition so thousand bucks a month and you can make fifteen hundred a month delivering pizzas so you might not win the beer pong tournament your your social life. You might not other college experience. I didn't have the college experience. I lived off campus. I work forty to sixty hours a week and graduate in four years with two point nine seven so because I needed to get out. I was tired of paying for it and so this idea I'm gonNA. I'M GONNA stay in five years because this is just fun. The crap goes away when you're working and paying for it so that's what these kids are facing and it's not a bad thing. It's character building. It's not abusive SUV IT forces them to make some adult decisions instead of extending their emotional adolescence another four years and so step step in you know they may not win the the Inter Varsity fraternity trophy well L. Look D do they're gonNA go through school and get an education. The goal here is be smart people. The goal is not the college experience if you're on the college experience any the problem with that at all go ahead but don't tell me you have to finance it because I don't have any time to work with all of my social obligations Crimea River so I I'm just holding grouchy so that's what you do you work your way through you can do it. Thanks for the call open phones at triple eight eight to five five to two. This is the Dave Ramsey show. A recent study showed that over fifty percent of people think that the cost of term life insurance is triple what it actually costs. This must be why so many people still don't take care of this crucial responsibility. Trust me turn life. Rates are just plain cheap. Cheapen calls nothing to get a quote the only place I trust and personal use zander insurance call eight hundred three five six forty two eighty two or visit zander hander dot com. It's more forcible than you think and you need to get this done. That's ZANDER DOT COM. Eh Jared is with us in Oklahoma City. Hi Jared how are you. Oh I hear you brother. How can I help. I gotTA question so my wife and I are currently early working on getting paid off and stuff like that eventually. We'd like to buy a house that has some land on it. We live at the center of town right. Now on a piece of property has come up that is a little over five and a half acres with an unfinished home on it and a trailer homeowner to one hundred and seventy thousand and basically I'm just wondering wondering if he can get this bad of an idea as it sounds like we've kind of thought about. Maybe selling our home 'cause. We've got a lot of equity in our home. we are less than a thousand dollars on it and it appraises from having a hundred fifty seven. I believe and so we thought about possibly selling our home using the profit on it as a down payment towards this new piece of property but we would also have to take out a construction loan to finish the barn. I hope so I mean we've got like the our our total debt right. Now comes out to be about route twenty seven thousand split between a car a signature loans alone and my dad gave me when we fell fell through some hard times and had a lot of what is your household income sixty to eighty thousand depending on bonuses from probably job What experience do you have around construction. I'm sorry do what experience and the you have around construction. I did construction myself in both tech for a year and I helped helps my dad renovate their whole house I could probably do quite a bit of it myself I've got a lot of planning experience in some some electrical experience as well. What will it take to finish the house. Money was how much money money wise roughly. They got the frame utilities patterns done so they think around sixty bucks a square foot and the interior in the home. It's thirty two hundred square feet but we would also turn part of that into an attached garage which would cost less than the original original sixty bucks a square foot okay so you're talking about going another two hundred thousand debt on top of what we're already talking about just to finish his house probably yeah which would put you like three hundred fifty thousand dollars in debt making sixty seventy grand a year yeah. I don't think so that's yeah when you said it all comes together. They're constructional. Your initial purchase that isn't that is not that is borrowed. Plush Construction -struction loan and you're talking about two hundred grand is what you're six sixty bucks on thirty two hundred two hundred grand is going to be three hundred thousand and you have to have final what they call the takeout mortgage or permanent mortgage arranged in order for them to give you the construction loan and so it's all packaged together in other words. You have the construct yeah. The permanent mortgage set up for wing construction is complete to pay off the construction loan and the original loan all in one new mortgage. That would be inaccessible three hundred grand with what you're describing. I don't think qualify for it you might but I don't think uh well and so it sounds kind of fun. I mean I like a piece of ground around me. I'm like you. I've got about twenty acres. My house sits on and I like that uh I'm that guy. I don't want people right up next to me. I like people but I don't want him. Run up next to me and so you know I I kind of sympathize with where you are and I know how to swing a hammer to just like you do or turn a wrench and you can see you can see how you could do stuff but I'm afraid the allure of of this is causing a bite off more than you can chew and do this construction trying to do this. Construction on the cheap is a good way to get a product. Get a house half finished and run out of money or something and you don't want to be there. I've run into a bunch of people there so I think we're probably going to pass on this one. That's Kinda. That's Kinda. What I saw I think the the initial pod of mango and for cheap because able and Kingfisher County. I don't know how much you keep track with the oilfield the oilfield this crazy Kingfisher County right out yeah I do the problem is as soon as gas goes down is is they just decide died in the Middle East to turn on the Faucet and drive the supply up then the price drops then suddenly all of this prosperity drives drives up for a short period of time and then so the problem with oil oil money as it comes and then it goes and then it comes again and then it goes again and so I I've watched these oilfield economies for thirty years come and go several times and it's hot right now which is exactly not the time to buy yeah yeah. I mean Land Lands Gone for about twenty thousand which is not the time to buy. It's it's insane yeah. It's ridiculous yeah. I get your dream. I want you to live your dream but what I've always found is sometimes if I do my dream wrong and turns into a nightmare and that's what I'm trying to help you not do so. I there's a lot of appeal to this deal but it sounds. There's two or three red flags here that make it a killer for me. If I were in your shoes. I'm GonNa Pass Jared Amen. Thank you for the call. You'll you'll get your dream place by the way just don't make it do it. In such a way that it becomes a nightmare keiler is with us in Tacoma Hi Tyler. How are you oh pretty good? Dave how about yourself better than I deserve. What's up so my fiance and I are trying decide whether we should sell our house we have to relocate to Bellevue Washington for her job and she's currently commuting there. That's causing quite a bit and gas and vehicle maintenance every month so we were trying to decide whether we should keep the house and can you keep as a rental or sell out and move up there. Okay when you getting married we're shooting for next. September Weiss along we're just trying to get our finances finances in order and join why you're already living together yeah well 'cause. I recently just got out of the military and then I'm GonNa Start School so and she's just graduated so we're just so waiting to plan everything out in your acting like the house together and you don't who owns the house I do okay so you have a house and you have a roommate yeah. That's what the law says I mean. She's not on the bead so we don't have a house because we aren't married so I wouldn't. I wouldn't wait till September. If I were you to get married. Get married immediately and yes. I would sell this house. No I would not rent it long distance so you are you going to land a new. You'RE GONNA land a new job up her area the new area where she's commuting to. I am going to start college up there at Bellevue College. All kinds of you're going to be on the bill and you get your stipend and everything very cool. Well thank you for your service appreciate that so if you were my son in your his age by the way what I would do is as his his dad I I would lovingly tell you to get married immediately. Sell the house move up there. Go to college rent while you get through your degree you've got you've served your country. You've earned the right to this degree agree. Thank you go get that degree and get it in something that is actually marketable got a good degree that causes you to be able to get a job okay. I'm I'm looking at a network engineer excellent excellent. That's a perfect thing to do especially in your area there big big pool for that and so you're the tech corridor obviously so yeah. That's really good. What does she do. She is a software engineer and you guys are twenty five or twenty six I'm twenty six and she's twenty three now funny how I knew that I didn't pay that's what I would do. If I were in your shoes brother you do what you wants but you call me and ask and I will tell you. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Hey guys is at the Dave Ramsey show. We really value your input. It helps us to know what's important to you so we can deliver relevant content to help you. Crush your money goals. We just launched a brand new survey and we'd love your feedback. It only takes a few minutes and you'll be entered to win a one hundred dollars. Amazon Gift Card no Archer's necessary take the survey at Daveramsey DOT com slash survey or text survey to thirty three seven eighty nine are Salah is in Fort Lauderdale Florida. I see my screen. You're debt free or low white ago. Oh yes I'm three love it. How much have you paid off. I paid about sixty five thousand dollars in thirty one a month good for you. And what was your range range of income during that time. I went from sixty nine thousand making one ten back to making it about a hundred good for you. What do you do for a living. I'm a registered nurse I with the master's degree in nursing leadership and I can sell decide okay so you just worked your tail off did you yes. I think every single extra case I can pick up obviously if I can pick up just to get it done cool. What kind of debt was the sixty five so I had about forty eight thousand a little bit over forty thousand rent loan debt and sixteen thousand six hundred and credit card okay. How old are you. I'm twenty nine good for you. You did it before Birdie. Look at you yes. I'm really excited really hard to get after a Kiddo has well yeah. So what got you started on this thirty one months ago well it started. When I quit my full time job to go back to school. Go to get my master's degree. I had two undergraduate degree with no debt and then I kind of my head and fell into debt with our job so I had to use credit cards and student loans to Uh of course pay for school but also live and then August and September twenty eight hundred fifteen. I decided paid off right after I graduated and so I'm finally finally done. I finish about five months ago tomorrow while good for you so what do you tell people. The key to getting out of debt is and your cases a lot of hard work for one thing just a working working off remaining faithful to God. I bill continued to do my tithing and giving could and this guy just blessed me me along the way with them. I had an opportunity to move to Texas and then I moved back when I was done on painting my dad's family it was a lot of sacrifice but I'm so grateful to be done very well done congratulations house zeal. It's so good I'm still on cloud nine. I really am and I think I all all my family and friends for the support. I mean how a lot of good cheerleaders and I want to introduce their plan and get the plan into some friends and family and a lot of people around me that I'm surrounded by doing the Ramsey plan all moving towards being debt free. I'm so proud out of you very well done Ding Ding. Who's your biggest cheerleader. I would say my sister girl. You know. She always would always say. Are you done with your and I had my friends tiffany rely in Louisiana who are also doing better debt free journey in incident as well as everybody to me very very cool good for you. Wow done well done well. We got a copy of Chris Hogan's retire inspired book for You. We want that to be the next chapter in your story that that you become a millionaire and I think you're on your way and of course be outrageously generous as you go along good job. Kitto very well done on aright its Earth Salah in Fort Lauderdale Florida sixty. Five thousand dollars paid off in thirty one months making sixty nine all all the way up to one ten lots of ot lots of extra jobs well-done count it down. Let's hear a debt free scream. I four three not too bad. Love it love it love it. I'll Gusto was with us in Sacramento. Hi how are you dave. I got AH question. I think it's going to be funny because you're always said about this. German poke a master degrees and I. I'm wondering if my son's sounds career could fall into that or not. I think it doesn't but I want to hear your opinion on that. He's he's GonNa. He's trying to pursue a Matzos this this conversation and film scoring and I I'm musician myself. I mean I am a pastor but I most decision. I gotTA support him. on this idea that go for your dream and whatever you're passionate on what you're good at but the thing is is. GonNa is Gonna be able the bills or if you have any thoughts on that so he's getting a degree in film scoring near the composition is the degree museum the opposition what he wants to composition okay well. I mean the way you answer. The question is not asking me the answer. The question is trying to figure out what the guy's GonNa do. What's his job and that that's that's Kinda question. How was he already Z. Already gone and done this no no. He's he's a senior in high school here. Okay well challenge wish to him is not you can't just blindly say we're. GonNa live our passion. That doesn't work. I mean you could have a passionate something stupid that nobody will pay you for for and that's that's ridiculous. You don't do that especially going spending money to get the degree in that so I mean he is in California okay. Hey Sacramento not. La But you're in the vicinity of where a lot of film has scores written for it. I'm not aware of necessarily necessarily people coming out of college and immediately writing music compositions for film scores. I would think it would take a few years to build a reputation to build a network of people that knew that you had some talent even if you're talented and so you're probably nobly his first step. Out of college is not to make a living writing film scores. That's my guess I don't know. I don't know that business that much but I would guess that they don't hire a lot of entry entry level people to write film scores coming out of college. I can't imagine that as a matter of fact but it's possible but if he's a savant if he's unbelievably talented eh world-class top two percent or something maybe but the typical guy that's just you know he's a songwriter coming out of school. Doubt it but anyway so then. What are you going to do for a living? That's a question right now and I don't know the answer to that but he needs to answer that question before he goes and gets this degree because the number of people who make a living writing film scores is very small I mean very small and and yeah and and my concern was because we we we moved to the states a couple years ago and we were not expecting to pay for for college so we didn't the any funds worked at free but but we will have the ability to pay for his education at this point so so he needs to pick a he needs to pick a school. It's very inexpensive implant on working a lot while he's there and then hopefully you can throw some in to help him as he goes but he's out on inexpensive school well so he's probably not going to UCLA film school no yeah of course because of your video you've been working very hard on the sat's because you know that will help him get scholarships and that's. Abso so he's GonNa work in and he's an intentional about it but at some point I think we will have to make like big decisions in that and I'm not sure if if if a music career is worth those big decisions or you know I mean I'm using a music career could would be but you know what does the music career look like. I've got a friend who plays in the local orchestra and makes a pretty good living doing that. You know and if that's it's what he wants to do that's okay another all of that. There's not but but I want this young man assignment of his if his dad is you have to tell me before I'm gonNA participate in this decision with you how you're actually going to make a living because I'm gonNA. Just throw out a number. I'm just making this up. I don't know if it's accurate but let's say that a thousand people which is probably the most possible actually make a living on the planet writing film scores for living. It's a very narrow ero field and it probably is GonNa take some time to break into or an unusual level of talent to break into or both and so as you're be plan where the music composition compensate compensation composition see. I keep you say why. Are you asking me anything. You know if you've got that degree as a b plan. What are you going to make a living so let's find a way to live our dream in such a way that it doesn't become a nightmare. That's all we're saying and that's loving him well to guide him in that. It's not tame. I'm not to do it but don't do it unless you can tell me how. You don't make a living of Van writing film scores. This is the Dave Ramsey show mm-hmm bryce for joining US America. This is the Dave Ramsey show glad you're here open phones at triple eight eight to five five to five and with us in Minneapolis Lewis Hi and welcome to the Dave Ramsey show hi. Thanks for taking my call sure what's up well. I have come to a new chapter in our book with our family family. My sixteen year old got her first job all by herself yeah so. I don't want the money burning a hole in her pocket. It is one that if she gets any money she's like Oh. What can I buy She does have a savings account. It is under our name so we have to get it out for her so she doesn't have you know a debit card which I don't think would be smart on our part but she wants snow what she should give she always wants to give a church and I do want her to start doing that but I'm trying to figure out the happy medium and I thought well I told alcohol you okay. That's fun well one of the things we tried to do when ours were teens was to lengthen the rope now the rope was tied around their waist metaphorically when they're little kids you hold the rope real close because when they're three they'll kill themselves if you don't protect them right and so that's true. Louis teenagers too but you need to give them more and more rope more and more freedom to make decisions even make a few mistakes while under your wing so that because what you're doing is training them for adulthood because when they leave you want them to stay on until they have grandbabies and then they can come back but you don't want them live in your basement okay so the point being we want to teach her the grow with this is not about the money. This money is a teachable moment the job as a teachable moment. She's not going to learn anything or do anything at this job. That's going to change your life but she's GonNa. Learn about work and that that'll change your life and with money. There's not enough money any deal that we're dealing with here. That's GonNa Change Your Life but her handling it is going to change her life so it sounds like this if I'm her dad okay and so God help you if you're Rachel Cruze Denise Whitmore for Daniel Ramsey okay because this is how you grew up my job as your dad is to give you the equipment and the knowledge college and the skills to win as an adult and so I am going to do my job. You are going to get that equipment whether you like it or whether you don't you're going to get that knowledge. Whether you like getaway you dumped the good news is you're. GonNa like it most of the time so adults do three that handle money. Well do three things with money. They give some they save if some and they spend some and so you're going to do a budget and whatever money you bring home. We're probably going to do it on a percentage basis because because you probably don't have a steady job as a fifteen year old. You're going to take a percentage that you and I discussed side and agree on and you're gonNA give that you're gonNA take percentage and you're gonNA save that. We were going to take a percentage and you're going to spend that now. What percentage of your check do you want to spend. What percentage do you want to give. And what percentage do you WanNa say and if they give you something reasonable go with you know. I want to give ten percent my church okay good. We'll go with that and I want to save twenty percent. I want to spend the rest. That sounds good to me. Let's do that okay calm. The point is you're trying to teach them to have all three of those muscles those money muscles muscles to have some tension to them the giving muscle the spending much on the saving muscle. You want them build work. Give save and spent work. Give savings plan if you can do those four things things with money make money and then give savings spend it properly. You can win at fifty four twenty four to fourteen so that's where we want to take her to and then I'm going to enforce that she does that now after we get that in a little bit of a rhythm the next thing is I am going to open a checking account and let her have a debit card for her spending and teach your checking account works because I wanted to have that rhythm the funny thing is the oldest child. Denise never bounced a check back. Rachel cruze bounced checks like the third week. She had the stupid thing no yes. She's the money guru go figure. That's how God works but anyway so so you know I come home and can you imagine me and Dave Ramsey's kidding bouncing checks Omar God yeah she had stepped bouncing all over the place so I said well. You know you're not in Congress. You can't keep spending money when there's no money in there we cut we covered this. You Need Union. Keep up whether you didn't keep your checkbook balanced. You didn't keep it reconciled. You know how much is in there so I taught them. The skill of how a checkbook operates so then when they went to college all three of them stayed on budget all three of them did not not bounced checks in college all three of them and it wasn't a miracle. It was a trained skill and we weren't a bunch of nerds. We sit around and have money meetings or anything like that. We just said this is one A. Online teach you to brush your teeth multi drive a car MATIJA grass. I'm GONNA teach you how to Balance Your Checkbook and I'm gonNA teach you how to give save spent work work. That's all it was just the rhythm of our life. It wasn't some kind of nerdy thing or anything like that and the good news is it's. It's all adult activities and so she will like that teenagers all WanNa. I do adult activities. They just don't want always do them right so that's where we have to come alongside them but I think if you'll do it keep those couple things in mind work. Give Save Spin and then let's move towards a checkbook with a debit card after a few months and then you watch over that I looked over I know where every dollar went even in college all their money went to. I had full full visibility to their grades full visibility to their which they have to sign on a thing in college now for you to do that full visibility to their checkbooks why it was my freaking money. That's why my aunt and I'm not going to let them misuse it and misuse their life. They're there for or a certain task and that task could get your but the class and so you know. We're going to follow all of that alone. And that's how we did it now. We're fashioned parents. We don't believe you know we believe if the inmates don't run the SILOM and so that's old school and some of you you think your children need more freedom or whatever that's fine. That's this fund none of monitoring counseling to my knowledge because of my treatment of them that they were all taught how to have control self-control when they learned that I from dad control that's where that came from and mom control for that matter sure and can be a really tight hillbilly woman when she wants to be so anyway that that's how I would do it. I would get after that way. Hold on I'm going to give a copy of the book Rachel and I wrote. Together actually tells the story in the book of her bouncing checks cute story and it's called smart money any smart kids. It's for parents on how to teach your kids how to handle money number one bestselling book. I'll give you a copy of it. Alex is whether it's in Evansville Indiana Hi Alex how are you. I'm great. How about yourself better than I deserve. What's up well. I wanted to ask you what what you would do in a position like myself just a little bit backstory on eighteen. I I'm currently going to school at Purdue and I have a say. I'm sorry I have a job at a local foundry working part time now but during the summer I worked sixty sixty hours a week to make much money possible good for you yeah currently working about twenty four to twenty seven hours a week they can five hundred a week. That's before taxes are already. Go Dude How are you paying. Are you paying for school that actually I got really lucky. I got a full Raj scholarship. was just really lucky last night. Low colleges not luck. How'd you get a scholarship academics or athletics or what academics academics but it wasn't through the school. It was actually through my community. They're really big on higher education and just I was blessed. I guess you would say take off to get the grades to you'll be smart and lazy. You weren't lazy good for you. So what are you studying electrical engineering very good very cool man. You got a great life ahead of you. You know how to work. You're studying good stuff. You got a leg up. Well done well what I would do with all this money you're making is. I would just pile it up. I wanted to be your insurance policy to ensure that Alex graduates a boilermaker with electrical engineering degree and and and no debt in case something falls through on some of those scholarships or something. I want you to have enough money piled up to make sure you get out of school. The Best Investment Investment Alex can make is literally in mathematically in Alex because with what you're studying getting that degree and getting it without any debt sex hugh up to make so much you're GonNa do so well man. I love it well done. Now you get school and you got all those scholarships and that money's just still sitting there yeah well. It helps you start your life. You ready to go then then you can start investing start talking about buying a house start talking about doing some other things but I just be patient right now all that money up and make sure you get through school with no debt. That's your number one job job one. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Hey guys it's Blake Thompson senior executive of the Dave Ramsey show you know over fifteen million people visited the Dave Ramsey show. Every eat in a lot of people listen to one of over six hundred radio stations across the country. Money isn't the only thing we talk about around here. Get life-changing advice on your career for my good a friend and career expert Ken Coleman all my Ken Coleman show according to a recent Gallup poll nearly seventy percent of Americans are disengaged at work if you dread going into work every Monday morning and you're just trying to make it to the weekend. The Ken Coleman Show is for you. Everyone has a sweet spot. 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How to Move to a Different State Responsibly (Hour 1)

"Live for headquarters of Ramsey solutions. Broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the Dave Ramsey show work that has gone Asia's game paid off home mortgage has taken the place of the BMW as the status symbol of choice. I'm Dave Ramsey. Your host you jump in. We'll talk about your life and your money. It is a free. Call at triple eight eight to five five two two five that's triple eight eight to five five to five Bruce is on the line in Kansas City. Hi, bruce. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Thanks for me, man. Sure can help. Well. I'm grandfathered. Our oldest grandson is going to be going to high school. Now, listen to your show. Religiously really and a lot of the student that has got me concerned that. At the end of his college career. He's been be straps. The rest of life with debt. So we're trying to figure out strategy to get him involved. Get his folks involved on plotting, correct? Course this early age. Be three of debt then to financial peace on read your book, his mother father through plenty teas, but is just putting all the pieces together make it work. Okay. Well, good for you. That's pretty cool. I'm Papa Dave myself. And so we don't have any up at that age. Our oldest one's five as far as far as grandbabies go. But I I appreciate that. So mom and dad have been through FPU you've been through financial peace university as well. That means everybody's willing to talk about this. And you're not really budding in there actually wanting your in. But right. Well, I mean, they all know that we've got five twenty nine college counts kids setup and things like that. So. Do that way. There's some money set up. How much is in the accounts. Oh about three to four thousand so not so much. Okay. No much. After much we need to probably load that up if we can between mom and dad, and you guys to the extent you can do that to help them. That's great. Well, what I'll do is one is send you a book for the youngster. It's called the graduates survival guide the five mistakes you can't afford to making college. Obviously student loan debt is one of those and I'll send you a copy for him. For the high school or it's written by Rachel Cruze. And Anthony O Neil Ramsey personalities and bestseller. But there's four or five things you can do if you want to avoid debt, and you're going to college, and you don't have any or don't have much money. Okay. The biggest thing number one thing by far, and it really trumps all the others is college choice. Where he chooses to go to school will affect his finances for the rest of his life. And it is if you don't have a lot of money choosing to go to super expensive school is straight up stupid because there's no ROI on it. There's no proof that wear you go to school causes you to be successful. There's not any research that says that there's a lot of snobs that believe it, but it doesn't really turn out that way out here in the real world. So going to an end state state school in state tuition is usually your best bet pricewise if he can get scholarships or something that's fine. I don't care where he goes. I'm not against those other schools, it you just can't afford to pay fifty or sixty thousand dollars a year when he can go in your state for ten thousand dollars a year. And so you pick, and that's that's how much difference there is it's it's bizarre. How expensive some of these places are? So college selection is number one in a sub subcategory of that is it doesn't hurt anything to do the first year or even two at the local community college for two thousand dollars a year and get your basics out of the way. You wanna do careful planning and make sure they are going to transfer to your to your field of study. And to you the university that you intend to go to, but I went to Mt. SU university the middle Tennessee State university, my first year of college and I transferred the inverse of Tennessee for the following three years back in those days. Mt issue was one third the cost, and I stayed at home and drove back and forth. And you know, what I tell people which is the truth. I graduated from the university of Tennessee might degrees from the university of Tennessee. However one year of that study was not there. I don't I don't have to bring that up. And I don't I'm not ashamed of. Mt. SU, but you see my point you don't have to go. Oh, I did two years of community college. And then I got my degree. At kansas. Well, you get your degree Kansas is what your answer is. Right. And so nobody gives a rip or your where you did your first two years, of course stuff. So college cost is the big one. The second one is go ahead and just tell junior plan on working while he's in school and not minimum wage flopper. Okay. You can't make any money for lobbying walkers. You gotta go somewhere, you're making ten are we making fifteen twenty bucks an hour, part time, self employed, whatever I don't care if you're cutting grass blowing leaves walking dogs or babysitting, but you can make fifteen twenty bucks an hour in the college world out there, if you'll watch what you're doing and not just accept some no brain minimum wage job. And you don't wanna do that. You can't afford it. He's to make a little money so work never killed anybody. And by the way, people students who work twenty hours a week. Studies have shown they have a higher GPA not a lower because they're working instead of playing beer pong in their off time and it chain. Their whole setup. And it's awesome. They got time to get as much troubles. When it really what it comes down to the second thing are the third thing is the ACT take the test over and over and take classes on how to take the test. It's a good investment. Spend the money to learn how to take the test because the higher score you get the more you qualify for scholarships live at home, if you can pick a cheap school if you if if junior if and mom and dad will let you speak, Bruce as the grandpa into this situation, and do those things that I just outlined. He can go school ten thousand dollars a year plus room and board you make fifteen hundred bucks a month delivering pizza four nights a week. Fifteen hundred bucks a month by eighteen thousand a year tuitions ten thousand dollars a year. Did we just go to school? I think we just went to school. Okay. So you know, you just have to think and use your brain. And of course, mom and dad and even grandpa need to speak into the field of study, not do something you hate doing with your life. But do something that actually has some application this idea that if I follow my passion, and I get a degree and left-handed puppetry. Everything's gonna work out. It's not it's not there's no jobs for left handed puppetry. It's not that stupid to have a four year degree in German polka history. That's just straight up stupid. There's nobody hiring German polka history. But Major's, okay. So you gotta think about and there's no application even for the knowledge in the marketplace that is broad enough to make a living, self employed. So you just got to think through this. And so think about what you're studying, and it yes, you need to have a passion about it. Yes. You. To have thought about it. Yes. You need to do these things. But it it. You know, I it can be done folks, it can be done. And this idea that the this generation is to student loan debt people saying all this crap. It's just not true. All about choices. Decisions beginning with the end in mind being a up even though you're not yet. This is the Dave Ramsey show. The last thing I want you to feel is buyer's remorse. The key to avoiding this rookie mistake is to call Churchill mortgage and get certified as a certified home buyer. You are pre underwritten call Churchill mortgage triple eight loan two hundred or Churchill mortgage dot com. This is a paid advertisement in one five nine one in MLS consumer access dot org. Equal housing lender. Seven sixty one old hickory boulevard, Brentwood, Tennessee, three seven zero two seven. Joining us America. Kelly is in Denver, I Kelly. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. God he's with you. How can I help? I need to talk into about fear. And so I am single when I was married. My my husband accountant, so he took everything I've been of for a long time, and I just never really learned about money. And so I I'm baby step two. And I I don't have the feeling yet of being control of it. And I'm having a hard time. Even though I've paid off some of my debt, I'm having a hard time letting go of the money. Above one thousand dollars that you should be throwing towards the debt. And you're having trouble doing that. Well, yeah, it's not in savings are just kinda vers in my checking account, and I'm just afraid to let go of it. But I'm sorry. Well, let's see month to month. I would say there's probably an extra five hundred dollars, which it's growing it's growing, which is good. And what's your household income? About fifty been divorced. Twenty years. Oh, okay. Longtime longtime ago. Okay. So hard for me to I'm a team person. So doing this alone. It's just intimidating money is intimate dating to me. Okay. Well, you know, what that makes you smart, actually, because if you don't know how to handle something that's powerful. It should be intimidating to you. The first time I got in a car, and I was like twelve years old. My dad threw me the keys and we're out on the farm and he's like oh for drive with the pickup through the. It was intimidating his cried. Right. First time. He drove a car. It was intimidating. Right. Right. But after years of practice, you've increased your expertise and confidence and there's no longer any fiercer shared with it. Agreed. So it's good fear. It's wise fear to be intimidated by something that you can't handle. Well, that's powerful. And so the trick is that doesn't mean you never learned to drive a car. It just means it's normal human reaction the first time or two you drive a car that it's intimidating is that fair. So what this means is time for you. To learn to drive the car. That's all it means. And you don't have to learn it today, but you need to learn start learning it today. And would you expect to be more confident five months from now than today, you better five years from now a lot more it ought to be second nature, just like grabbing a car second nature? And so we get better at it. So that the intimidation goes away. But when you're beginning a task with a powerful thing that you don't know how to handle its wisdom to be intimidated is that fair. Yes. I hadn't thought of it that way. And so this is something that's bothered. You you've always said things like I'm not a math person my husband's in my ex-husband twenty freaking years ago is an accountant, well, he's not even then even come into the. But you've said stuff like that that allowed you to kinda stay in this thing where I'm not I'm not going to dress the issue. But now something's prompting you to address the issue. That's why you call me. And I think it's wonderful. It's a time of growth for you Kelly. This is a wonderful time for you. You're going to get better at handling money and the fear as a result is going to dissipate is that logical. Yes, you're going to do it. I know yard, and you you know, you mentioned God in your opening to me. And so if your personal faith, then we're called to manage steward is the old English Bible. Word everyone throws around right to be stewards. Right. Is that right? Yes, we are. And so, you know, I want to be found a trust worthy steward only be worthy of trust. And that means I've got to get better at it, by the way, Dave Ramsey's better at it than it was twenty years ago to Dave Ramsey's better than he was five years ago. Meanwhile, I've been teaching everybody else, and I'm still getting better. So I know things today, I didn't know five years ago about this particular subject and about other subjects too. So that's what I would tell you. You're going to be great at it. Have you ever been through financial peace university? Merrill? I've just recently heard about it. I total makeover book, but beyond that, I don't know a lot won't you go to this class. I'll pay for it. Okay. Okay. Great. I'll give it to pieces in it. I'll give it to you. And I want you to go the class because what that's gonna do. It's going to put some people around you that are encouraging that are also on the same journey, and it kinda normalizes the fear that we feel sometimes the condemnation we feel around money sometimes some of us I've asked so bad. I had a lot of shame about money. I'm very cynical about money people, and you know, all of those things are in a negative emotions that are usually due to a lack of knowledge. Yeah. Couldn't you you hang on. I'll have Kelly pickup, and we'll get you signed up for the class. It's nine weeks long one night a week for nine weeks. It'd be one in your area. And we'd love to have you go as our guest. And as a matter of fact in your no, you're in Denver. I'm sorry in Denver. I was a budget classes in Denver. So you'll be able to get right in no troubles at all. And then it's an online experience for an entire year. And so you can be in the online communities, you can view the videos audios online as well. You can take the follow up classes, there's all kinds of stuff in there, and that's all included free to. So when he buys financial peace university. Folks, it's included and all that. So it's absolutely incredible. Yeah. Hold on. We'll have Kelly get you signed up. That's all you need. You just need to you need driving lessons. We're going to be your driver's Ed teacher. All right. Peyton is whether in Corpus Christi, Texas, high Payton, welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. Hi, dave. How are you today? Better than I deserve. How? Can I help? Well, some background. I am recently engaged for about a month. Now. When you get married. I'm getting married August twenty four this year. Awesomeness? That's cool. Man. Yes, sir. I graduate college on Saturday, and I am debt free. My fiance is that free, and I start my full time job on July first, and what a great year for you. Yes. A lot of happening. So my fiance, and I whenever we combine our finances and get married we have some vicious plans on purchasing a ranch here in Texas and properties extremely expensive. So based off of our my initial calculations we I be making a fifty four a year, but that should increase quite quickly in the next two years closer to a hundred and what is the most aggressive plan that we can have in order to reach the goal to buy property. We are she already has a she has a rental house right now. That is breaking even at least after all the expensive and everything that goes with that. But so we are completely open to real estate and building rent houses and stuff like that. But also the stock market. So I'm really really split on what we should concentrate, and because whichever direction will concentrate, and we'll go all the way in my region. You have to go all the way one way or the other. I don't I've got both. And so if I were in your shoes, how answer the question, what would I do while you're already debt free and make sure I had an emergency fund of three to six months of expenses upon marriage. I'd be on that written budget and begin planning from there. I'm gonna walk you out these baby steps, dude. And you're gonna start putting fifteen percent of your household income away for retirement above that. You're gonna start saving for a home and the ranch and real estate and that kind of stuff if you wanna throw that into like an S and P five hundred index fund. Nd? That's what I do. It's no commission it's longer than a year. It's the growth is taxed at fifteen percent for you. As you're making under four hundred K household income for me. It's twenty percent because I make over that. And so either way it's less than our Neri income taxation and leave it alone a year. Let it grow throw money in that account when that count gets big enough to buy something called real estate, and you would buy something. And then when you look around you got enough in my mutual funds and sell these three rentals I could buy ranch, then you liquidate the rentals and reach over and take that money out of that mutual fund. You buy your engine you can start as you said, you can project out there and go to some years, it's gonna take based on income, and you know, obviously, you can predict some what some income increases. This is the Dave Ramsey show. Kevin calling Kevin see on my screen debt free way to go baby. Thank you, Sarah. Appreciate that's awesome. Much paid off off thirty five thousand dollars. How long did this take you, sir? About twelve months ago and your range of income during that time, sixty eight thousand ninety five thousand nice jump in twelve months what you do to get that just started working overtime like crazy. There's a couple of people that left my job, and there's just a lot of shifts that opened up, and I started working like a madman. Just. Time. They said help you raise your hand, exactly, sir. From about sixty four hours ninety six hours. How old are you? I'm twenty five years old ser-, man. Look at you. What what what do you do for a living? I'm a campus. Police officer very good. Very good. Yeah. That's perfect man. So what kind of debt was thirty five thousand? So it was about twenty nine thousand dollars in student loans five thousand dollars on my car and another thousand dollars on a credit card. Twenty five year old single campus. Police officer in Boston what let your views because you went nuts for twelve months, man. You've been craving blew up, man. So actually about a month before then I started I was doing my finances, and I was actually having to take about a hundred dollars out a week to pay off my bills, and I was working about sixty hours a week on average. And you know, I was like I just can't keep working sixty four hours and then losing money every week because I just had so many expenses and bills. So I gotta do something about this. So I cut a bunch of the expenses, and I went to work okay coup. When did you connect up with us? So it was actually somebody at my work that had mentioned you, and like I said at the time I was kinda like, you know, I just needed to find a solution. And I started watching YouTube videos, and I was hooked instantly. Download the the app on my iphone and started watching you every single day. And since then, you know, got right on the program, and I actually be finishing up baby. Step three tomorrow. Wow. Why to go man, we appreciate you being out there on YouTube? We just got a little award from there. Miller day were now have a one millionth subscriber to our YouTube channel, which puts us in the top one percent of YouTube views. Incredible. Yeah. It is incredible. It's crazy, man. It's awesome. And you're there yard doing this. So what's your secret to getting out of debt? You worked like a crazy, man. What else? You know, I think just surround yourself with you know, like minded people wanna give shout outs. My buddy, Paul and also my mentors. I'm also in the national guard. So well, you know, I wanna shout as well. You know, they've always been there, you know, any questions or anything like that. They've always been there for me along the path, and my buddy Paul actually a few months out from finishing his baby step two as well. So, you know, just around yourself people like that. And you know, just like you said working like a madman getting it on being determined. Yeah. Way to go, man. Congratulations. Very well. Done. Proud of you, proud of good stuff, man. So we got a copy of Chris Hogan's book every day millionaires because you are on your way to be one. You have the formula figured out, man. This is how people do it. Now. Ordinary people built extraordinary wealth and how you can toots number one bestseller. It's our gift to you to say, thanks for doing your debt free scream and congratulations to you. Thank you. I appreciate that. Sure. Kevin and Boston Massachusetts twenty five years old thirty five thousand dollars paid off in twelve months jump from sixty eight to ninety five because he's working ninety hours a week. Are you go baby? Hey, right before you die from overwork. You pass out. It's okay. You're a great man down. Let's hear a great debt free scream. Two one. I love it. Well done, sir. Very very well done. That's how it's done, man. That's awesome. Our question today comes from blinds dot com. They have a one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee means even if you miss measure picked the wrong color, they will remake your blinds for free free samples free shipping. And with the new promos every month, you will save even more use the promo code Ramsey. Question comes from Gretchen and Missouri navy. We pay ties in the process of paying off debt when we are upside down in income. Well, if you're upside down, an income, you have more than a ten percent problem would be my guess. So probably you're asking the wrong question. You're probably should be asking do we sell. My husband's fifty thousand dollar pickup truck. I just made that up. I have no idea if you have one, but that's probably the crap that's going on in your budget. I don't know it could be somebody's unemployed. It could be you've got some stuff you need to get rid of. I don't know. I am not a legalist nor a performance based Christian in my Christian walk. I am firmly in scripture, and I think it's God's love letter to us to show us how to live best. He tells us to give tenth of our income to our local church completely studied the time for twenty five years. And I completely believe it. But I'm one hundred percent positive. You can go to heaven and not tied and I'm one hundred per se. Positive your heavenly father is crazy about you. Even if you're not a tighter, and he's not waiting to bless you until you live. It's not in the that's not. So the giving that you do is for you. Because one of the things he teaches us as he's trying to help us be better people trying to remake us into people that are more attractive called generous people. And so I would never tell you out of a compulsion from affair ac- mindset or bible thumping or something like that to give a time while you're in this mess. I will tell you. I did when our budget was completely upside down still tie. And we couldn't pay bills, and it wasn't because of the type it's because Davis stupid and gotten us into a mess, and it took us a while to get out and sometimes things didn't get paid. But we always and it wasn't because scared a God. And it wasn't because I'm a league list. It's truly believe the instruction. It's like the instruction to do. A budget is in scripture don't Bill the tower without first getting the cost less you get halfway up and all who see you begin to mock you and say this man began to build able to finish. It's like the instruction. Not Kosan proverbs seventeen eighteen one cosigns lacking in since it's like an instruction like that. These are smart things to do with money. God says, and if you do smart things with money, the money starts to clean up. God says. And that's what we that. Our people faith, believe guy. So based on that if I'm in your shoes, I'm gonna give ties I did when I was in your shoes. But I'm not gonna beat you up with keto, nor is your loving heavenly father. So it's not like the whole thing's going to fall apart. You're going to die and burn. Hell. No, no, no, cried lighten up up. It's not a rule. It's an instruction. It's your dad's saying, hey, kid, if you drive the car this way won't wreck. That's all it is. Then you get the choose how you going to have the car. Are you gonna listen to that or not that's the thing? And that's just love is all that is. So I trust his love and his instruction. So thoroughly that I do it even when it doesn't make sense that's called faith, by the way. So you do what you wanna do. And I'm not picking on you, and I'm not gonna guilt trip. You not over here high need too much grace the last thing I'm going to steal one from still some from somebody else. So you're gonna do great. You're going to great even if you don't you'll get around to eventually or you really ought to look at your overall budget and go we have an income problem with outgo problem that is probably bigger than ten percent issue. It's probably that's hundred fifty nine dollar car payment on my husband's eight thousand dollar truck. So the stupid track. Hey, go not. So you can ties so you can get your life back Trucco you. I don't even know if you on that truck, I just made it up, but you probably do been doing this while this is the Dave Ramsey show. Natalie is in Saint Paul Minnesota, Natalie. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey show. My call. Sure, what's up? Well, my husband, and I are in babysit four five and six and we're wanting to move back to Colorado. But we're not really sure how to go about it. And the second part to that is that my husband wants to make a career shift from being a heavy equipment mechanic into that performance fabrication side of the diesel mechanic field. But the industry generally pays less in Colorado. And we different sure how to go about all that responsibly. Marana your advice? It's a any project. You have you set a date on it? And based on that date. You look at all the numbers that are involved so moving to Colorado and changing careers is a two step project. There's two pieces to it. They could go together or they could be done separately. And so you could move to Colorado and stay in the side of the business that he's in with a plan that in three years he's going to move to the other part. No one says you have to do it all at once. There is no rule that says that all you do is just start putting the numbers together. Okay. What's the move going to cost? Do you own a home in Saint Paul? Okay. And what have you got equity in it? Maybe about fifteen thousand. So if you shoulder the mind move, so you might you might be renting for a year or two when you make the move, and you might be you know, he's looking for a job. He's actually tacking down what he actually can make not what your theory is. But we actually come to real employers that are paying real money. He worked out there for three years in that industry before we moved back to Minnesota. So he does have. What that long ago for years ago? Okay. Well, that's probably fairly good information. Then, but I would double check and go. Okay. What is the reality today may be since you've left? Maybe there's a construction boom in Denver. So there's a shortage of heavy heavy equipment diesel mechanics. I don't know which would drive the price up, by the way, Dr his income. If that happened and Denver's pretty hot he cannot economy right now. So I'm not saying that happened. But I'm going to investigate real things. Not based on four year old only information that's fairly good information, though. And you know, I'm going to start saying, okay? What's it looked like to move? And boy were we have to do to do that. And you say the move is going to cost to X. Are we gonna rent are we going to buy we're gonna make Y and income? And if he makes the other change, we're gonna make Z and income, and you gotta compare that. So the way you your question was how do I do that responsibly the way you do it as you find out? Actual facts. And then you execute a plan that is responsible where your income is greater than your outgo. And you have the money to move. That makes it responsible. So you say, well, if we move there he's gonna make so much year based on that, we can only spend so much here based on that. We gotta run a price house that said X rental, right? Or, you know, and then we save up and buy later, and you just look at that. And you just lay it out the game plan. What's irresponsible is just to go? Colorado, and God is going to work it all out to which God laughs and says you're gonna crash that's responsible because the mi- the mind of man plans as ways, but the Lord Rix steps God does not bless your impulsiveness immaturity and irresponsibility when you call it Christian, and you you didn't say that. I'm just throwing that out as an ad on. Okay. Since I just finished doing the whole bible study a minute ago on the whole tie thing. So we'll just add it all together here. But anyway, I think you're being responsible by asking the question as a first step, and then you lay out that details of your plan and make sure the mathematics of your plan work. And you don't you're not leaping off the dock hoping the boat is gonna drive by at that moment. And I think you're gonna be great Tracy's with us in billings, Montana. Hi tracey. Welcome to the Dave Ramsey. What's up? Thank you very much. Really? Appreciate the opportunity. Sure. I'm sixty one years old. And I keep getting these letters from social security wanting to know what I wanna do. And you know, I'm still working I'm on baby step seven. I am married. And you know, I don't know when is the best time to take advantage of that fantastic program. I show sarcasm, Tracy. Well, I mean, the the trick to knowing when to take social security is to know when you're going to die. And once you got that out, then you can then you can calculate it precisely okay? Obviously the longer you live the better it is mathematically to take it later because you're going to get a bigger check for a longer period of time. Okay. Throw something else in there. Sure. I was actually intending to I don't need it. So I was intending to invest young hundred percent of it. However, then I found out that I don't get the full amount. If I started really, so go ahead. I'm sorry. I don't you know, and the later you start whether it's sixty two all the way up to seventy the later you start every year, you would get more. Okay. But if you run some math out you can actually run the calculations on their site. It's fairly easy to do. If you run the math out in your situation. And you say, okay, I could take it at sixty six or sixty seven and I would get this amount. Okay. And if I took it at sixty two I'm going to get a different amount X versus Y. He followed me and the difference in those could be made up almost every time you can run the numbers on it by taking every dollar from sixty two to sixty six that you get and put it in a good investment. If the investment returns will give you greater than the difference for the rest of your life. Almost every time. So it it usually makes sense to take early. If you're going to do what you're going to do which is invest every bit of it. And let it run now taxation comes into play where you still working all those other things come into play. You gotta look at that. And figure out much actually gonna net around with whether you're going to whether you're gonna get taxable by your income and all that garbage. But aside from that, the basic concept is that you can get a better rate of return than they will pay you by waiting. So that you take the total amount between that four years of X number of dollars a month into a good mutual fund will then from the rest of your life that one account will make you more than enough to cover up the difference between your sixty six account and your sixty two account that payment amount. That's what amounts to plus. When you die that money that mutual fund is part of your state when you die social security nothing. That's what you get. So that's what you get. Like, you said, it's a great plan. If you run the numbers out on your social security folks, you'll discover it's about a negative four percent rate of returning your life. Only the government could figure out a way to talk everyone into having something removed from their check that they make a negative four percent on everybody fights to keep it in place, and it becomes a political icon only in the United States government. Could they figure out a way to make that crap work? And you guys all just who Muslims losing your listen. I'll tell you what here's a plan. I'm fifty eight years old. If you never made me pay again, you could keep everything that I paid to this point. I've been paying into it almost forty years. I haven't paying into it for years. You keep all that. I'll still come out ahead in the next twenty years not putting money in the stupid thing. Just putting that amount of money that amount of money you rob from me. And my check for this broken screwed up mathematical disaster see that wanting to sarcasm that's just calling it out. I could take them out of money. I'm gonna pay in where you're ripping me off put that in a mutual fund, and I would have more income than I will have having paid in and gave up the whole forty years. You guys can just keep that cause your program. So freaking awesome. You can just keep it. That's the Matt it sucks that bad only the federal government could talk you people into doing this. And and you just like a bunch of sheep yell. Take it at a much. Just lehman. We all just love it. And God forbid that the Democrats Republicans ever tinker with his broken freaking system. Oh, your grandmother's going to starve it. It's going to be all your party's fault crock. The whole thing is a disaster. Okay. Got that on my system, Tracy, your sarcasm turned into my rant. That's how this works around here. This is that I've Ramsey show. Hey, it's Kelly associate producer and phone screener for the Dave Ramsey show. This episode is over, but if you heard about a product or service and didn't have a chance to write it down. Don't worry we list everything that is mentioned during this episode in the podcast show section. Thanks for listening. Money isn't the only thing we talk about around hair. Get life changing it by on your career for my good friend and career expert in Kalman. Oh my Ken Coleman show. 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Into the Storm // 1 Samuel: Chapter 9

"All right. All, right, we got a packed house. Today Got Doc Phillips. Got Brian Nelson Tapia and Jim as well as myself. So Awkward. Weird with so many people in this room. It's like watching a hawk. I might what's going on. Brian Brian's messing it up. Now it's true. That is true and what? Not GonNa not GonNa go there right now. This is supposed to be building up lifting. You report. Yeah, for sure for sure. It's kind of just set you guys by each other I. Don't know separate room. What in the world? He needs me to sit beside him. Know I really don't. Miss Doorway to humility I Samuel? Nine is what we're going to discuss today, but. Open prayer so Lord. Thank you for this day once again. Thank you for this incredible group that we have gathered here and their hearts for you lord and I just pray that you'd watch over each and every one of us and pray that your words more. What comes out of our our mouth, and that we do your will, and all that we do in how anybody listening to this listening to this that needs to hear well here and. Pray that you'd be with them as well. All right I Samuel Nine, there was a wealthy influential man named Kish from the tribe of Benjamin. He was the son of Abio. Son of Aurora son of Becca Wrath, son of a fi of the tribe of Benjamin. His son Saul was the most handsome man in Israel head and shoulders taller than anyone else in the land. That's not right. Away, kiss his donkey straightaway. That's bright. And he told Salt. Album. By. One day teaches donkey Brian Straightaway and he told Saul. With you go, look for the donkey, so Saul took one of the servants and travelled through the hill country. In the land of Shallow Shah and the Shalem area. And the entire land of Benjamin, but they couldn't find the donkey's anywhere. Finally, they entered the region of Zaw. And Saul said to his servant. Let's go home by now. My father is more worried about us. Than about the donkeys, but the servants said I've just thought of something. There's a man of God who lives here in this town. He is held in high honour by all the people because everything he says comes true. Let's go find him. Perhaps he can tell us which way to go. But, we don't have anything to offer him. Saul replied. Even food is gone and we don't have anything to give him. Well the servants said I have one small piece of silver. We can at least offer it to the man of God and see what happens in those days. If people asked her people wanted a message from God, they would say. Let's go ask the seer. For the prophets used to call be called sears all right. It's all agreed. Let's try so they started in in the town where the man of God lift as they were climbing into the hill, climbing the hill to the town, they met some young women coming out to draw water. So solemness servant asked is the seer here today. Yes, they replied. Stay right on this road. He's at the town's Gate. He has just arrived to take part of the public sacrifice up at the place of worship. Hurry and catch him before he goes up there to eat. The guests won't begin eating until he arrives to bless the food. So they entered the town, and as they pass through the gates, Samuel was coming out toward them to go up to the place of worship. Now the Lord had told Samuel the previous day about this time tomorrow I will send a man from the land of Benjamin. Anoint him the leader of my people Israel. He will rescue them from the Philistines have look down on people in mercy and have heard their cry. The Lord said. That's the man I told you about. He will rule my people. Just then all approach Samuel at the gate and asked. Can you please tell me where the sears houses I'm? The Seer Samuel replied go to the place of worship ahead of me. We will eat their together and in the morning I'll tell you what you want to know and send you on your way and don't worry about those donkeys that were lost three days ago for they have been found and I'm here to tell you. That you and your family are the focus of all Israel's hopes. Saul replied, but I'm only from the tribe of Benjamin the smallest tribe in Israel. My family is the least important of all the families of that tribe. Why are you talking to me like this or Why are you talking like this to me? Then Samuel brought his servant into the hall and place them at the head of the table, honoring the. Above all thirty special guests, Samuel then instructed the cook to bring Saul the finest cuts of meat and the piece. That had been set aside for the guest of honor, so the cook brought in the meat, and placed it before saw. Go ahead and eat it. Samuel said I was saving it for for you even before I invited these others, so saul eight Samuel Samuel that day. When they came down from the place of worship and return to the town Samuel took saul up on the roof of the house to prepare a bed for him there at daybreak, the next morning Samuel called Disol-. Get up. It's time you were on your way. So saw got ready, and he left and Samuel left the House to Samuel at this house together. When the reached the edge of town, Samuel told solve Sunday. Servant on a head after the servant was gone Samuel said. Stay here for Hybrid, a special special message from the Lord. For you from? Google. Yeah lot going on they're. Kind of A. The culmination of what we all have started with with all of this. You know finally. Picking Israel wants a king wants to be like everybody else and they've finally. This is leading to them getting their king. Kofi how quiet! I'm. Done. Next week. I. I'm Happy Hawks I it up all right well. One thing that I thought was really cool is that I pulled him? During word says we have no idea how God will use a seemingly in annoying circumstances of our life to lead us to something great so. You know you think sometimes these little things don't matter. That are happening day to day and how we're living day to day, but God will use three. Donkey's to lead you to the town where you're going to become king so just to stay present in you know. People. In Life. This scale. Yes, not how king you would think. A soon to be, king would lead to that. Chase donkeys right? You think that you'd be. You know in his house, being taken care of and then same comes to him, but now God sends him out. Where yes I mean usually you know king comes to power by force or by. inherited inheritance rights. So this is kind of one of those that you're like I mean you gotTa, have a I king somewhere I guess, but that would be mostly most of the time through violence or Taking over authoring and taking over the. That's here. He's like I'm GonNA actually. It's out beady honestly from his father. His Dad's like hey. I'm glad you said that that was yeah. I mean stolen point. You sorry man hey. Story Life Anyway? So I mean that just kind of hit me there, so sorry I did steal that, but yeah, it's like I. Mean His dad's. Hey, go find my donkeys. And Page said. It's one of those kind of mundane kind of you. Know No glory type job. It's like Oh. You find some donkeys. And then at the end of it, you become king of of a nation. which eventually leads to your demise, but we will. Head yeah, we can hold off on that. China's positive runs Boston. Kind of follow up on the Bedie's thing i. just the the whole story of Saul become in anointed are chosen king. Is such a cool example. Of just! How God! Really works life in his plan. And, I think the more that I. Try to figure out what God wants for me or try to like a road down I typically chow to find things that fit into my narrative. Create, God's plan for my life sometimes. You know and then. When you look at Saul. He lived his house at day. They didn't have a clue like. You know, it's it was. He was just being obedient to his dad right now. What does he head and shoulders above everybody else? Yes, was he qualified? Yes, was he humble? Absolutely say that Rhino early, only a little further but like. You know looking for narrative. We're looking for comfort zone. legit focus in a life. In being obedient to like where I'm at today, same president stay in present you said a million times is ninety nine percent of the Times where I walked right into God's plan. Is The towns that I'm trying to people. Do it all the time and relationships. I'm, we'll find this person I'm GonNa do this from find this ministry and we'll do this. In, they pushed herself into it, and it's not where God walked into. Did also I think this was one out of all that we did so y'all have watched. Speaks atoned to me because I can tell you just in the last four months with me and rich like. How God and you know we've talked about this. How God this walks! We on the phone the other day before I even before he even got got into reading, but like I had no idea. I would be doing what I'm doing rich today four months ago. And it was not that I was looking for it I'm happy where I'm at you know, but it's. Just how God works through that came out. May Him missions and Like those are the things from my heart really is and and if I would have been. Trying to push myself into another place where I would be, you know and I don't know where this goes. You just get up every day and you walk in obedience. And God does does what God does. It strikes me like two things one that. It's kind of funny. Sometimes. How good stuff is! There was a sense of humor like the donkeys you know, and if I look at my life, it's that way for sure. And I think he must enjoy that. I think what's the scripture talks about confounding the wise I. Don't know where that's at, but that's something Vixen my head things that we think necessarily you're smart, aren't necessarily smart. and then I like the idea of. I'm interested in people kind of just starting right where they're at and serving and then letting it grow from there. You know and we were talking the other day on the podcast about. Starting in Kenner I started teaching kindergarteners That's where I started. Literally It was I needed to serve somewhere in the pastor told me you'll show up and teach my kindergarten class. That's go serve. And you think what NAM man. That's not what you're gonNA. Do you're going to kindergarten? And, so I'm kind of when I. Look at that stuff now always like Oh, be careful. What you think is supposed to happen and then just pick up right where you're at and get after it and then let God kind of move. You know because it'll work out. That's a good point to things. Is that Amanda my wife? We were talking about the sustainable today I was. Little frustrated in really wanting to find I feel like. Drinks. Like teaching. You know what I do for a living in saw felt like I've kind of got away from that kind of less ministries and not been teaching. And so I I. I made a comment to a man is like well I really feel like that's where my strength is. That s what I WANNA do and she's like. Maybe that's not what you know that then. That's all about you right if you're using your own strength. Maybe. That's not what God wants. Maybe God wants to use you and your weakness maybe to put you in an area comfort zone. Yeah, put me in an area that I'm not strong at so then right instead of Meson Avocado. Great I am it's really God. Great you are and what you're doing in my life, so I think that's that's what you're kind of saying. It's funny that you say. You know just doing kindergartners. Just. You just Kinda go where God wants you to go or where you think he wants you to go, and it may not be to your string. kindergarteners would not be ma. Strength of mine either. That's kind of what your pastor was doing you just. put New Area to serve, and you did it and bought baby. Maybe just want to see if you're obedient. Literally this is this is this is what we need. Still need this is what's needed, so you're going to do that then ask you about what you wanted. Right what you thought you were good at this is what's what we always talk about I think i. mean that's really what into the storm is summed up by his like you go towards things that make you uncomfortable because that's when you grow, you know nobody ever grows when you're completely comfortable. Sol's like hey. I'm from the least of the tribes of Israel and my family is the least of those tribes granted you know it says he was head and shoulders taller than everybody else I mean it. You think of a King a king. especially I king, I guess. But. Yeah, I mean he's like. Hey, man I'm I'm the least. I'm the least of these two to foreshadow a little bit, but. That just. Sums up kind of what we with the into the storm stuff are trying to. I guess, teach or talk about is like. Hey when you're in your comfort zone, you're not going to grow. There's no growth. There have to get uncomfortable to grow, not necessarily like I mean. Don't want to seek out trouble or seek out problems all the time, but If you're always completely comfortable, there's no growth there. That, goes back. With me! Won't everything fit in minority narrative? This is what I'm good at yeah. I would be great at that you know. Ironically most of the gods into in my life. I wasn't ready for. It didn't have a clue and. Just a quick testimony I was been on the railroad for thirteen years. I come out of the military hardware. The railroad this story two years left the road ahead. This juryman GonNa retire from the Railroad. My family's all railroad people they've retired. What are you GonNa? Everybody's asking him. What are you GonNa? Do what I don't know like I'm just telling you and so two years went by and I didn't even think about it anymore. And then all of a sudden you know, somebody comes into my life, asking me to step in the financial world like I. Don't know anything about him, not comfortable there. Turned out to be the greatest decision, my life, which allowed me to do the things that got commune do which fast-forward fourteen years later I'm sitting here with rich in the next step in my life like that I didn't have any plan happening. You know and so. It's crazy because I wouldn't have wrote that script that way you know, and if you do you follow the enduring word right so the idea of out this down they they talked about this situation. You'll probably also. He said there's two mistakes people make. Realizing God's plan. One they think every heavy with meaning from God, okay, which out. There's these people that you know when your live. They're always coming up to you. I got this message from God? I mean this has happened for. You need to be prepared cost at prophecy in your life. You're like Jeez man back down. You know then there's the other part of it. The other mistake is ignoring the moving God I'm our lives and this day today? Circumstances? You know just whatever gun? Breaks into your life. God is nothing happens by accident, but at the same token. Everything's not a revelation. Do one eighty and change pass. Well everything God told me to you know. The old famous got. God told me I need to be working. I needed to go. Sit On my butt and get a welfare. We'll get into that, but yeah. No I mean it's every day. Is You know? There's little things that direct your path here we have. We've talked about it. Multiple Times on different PODCASTS AS You always the questions is if you go back and change one thing, or if you go back and tell yourself ten years ago, one thing no, you can't. You can't because you wouldn't those little things. Direct your path as well so non not. Everything is a life changing event, but everything is a life changing event really if you think about it. To get to where you're going. It's like you you wake up in the morning. You know, and you go in there and you're. You're outta toothpaste. Trying to tell you. I. Know Your outta toothpaste. That's like what is. Like one of my biggest pepys! Someone. Where'd you stay locking about something that? Man You shouldn't need God for that. Honestly, He created you with the brain and figure that one hundred percent. You know that's something you've got down, you know. That guy was them because they had a flat tire. Maybe because of the steel radio coming through. because. You didn't check your tires. General pressures didn't check anything know. Talk a little bit I love it when you talk about. You arriving here I was actually just going to talk about that because it's a really interesting testimony is just really cool. For sure I mean I talked about a little bit in the last podcast. God definitely called me here, but got me thinking of what we were. Just discussing was all the mistakes that I was making at the time, which was a lot in just all the broken surrounded my life. Guys actually dead, but. was what was able for me to let go in move to come here because coming here wasn't what I thought was part of my plan right, I told them the last one I was driving abuse I knew God was calling me somewhere. I didn't know where this was totally random getting DM to come and be on a team. It was not what I was thinking about at all, but I think because of all things right? Those little things that were happening before. To let go of whereas that to be obedient to God to come here and now looking back. When you say, do you regret rechange anything not if it doesn't bring me here right, but if I hadn't done all those things right? If I changed something in the back so that maybe I wasn't a different spot, my life then I wouldn't have come to this place where I'm at now that I am supposed to be at. You know it's like I'm talking to the circle, but it's like all those little mistakes things they add up in those circumstances to be obedient and be present, and then looking back right? Hindsight's twenty twenty and like. Thank you God that I'm here. We were talking I was just. I'm so excited and proud that you're. You've pursued it like this idea of faith in your life when I look at you, that continued to pursue it right so I've been perfect. but You keep trying keep trying keep imminent. You keep slugging at it and keep chipping away at it in. It's really real and when I look at Your Life I'm not trying to necessarily give you props people, but it's what's really real about it. You started in one spot and you kept coming at it and it's really your life. And when you that like, and you try to stay as president as possible and the next day here is president as possible and the next day or as president possible, and what happens is you got thirty days of me and president? You're headed in the right direction, and that's kind of what I've seen in your life, which is cool to God bless? He bless US obedience. It's been really cool to just the idea of relationship which we talked about it on this podcast before, but something that you've actually said to me, they'll never forget. Was We are in a meeting once and I remember telling you is like just crying out to God like begging him like and over just begging for God to help me at a point in my life. And you said to me, he said well. What kind of relationship is that like? It's bigger than that right. I only was going to God when I was needing him or I felt I can eat him. which is good, you should, but it was these prayers of just like. Help me help me. Help me help me. But that's not a relationship, right? That's really one-sided in that really was eye opening for me in developing that relationship. Talking to God say about everything. is so important. It's good stuff. That is good. I mean I think we talked about the last one is like that's kind of. You know the the picture of God. That I had when I was growing up was like you know always somebody harpen on me like you're in trouble. Did this you did that and? I. Don't necessarily blame it on. My upbringing because that's not how my parents were, but that's just how I understood it. When I read the Bible, it was like always you know. Measuring up and falling short, which is true? However, you don't. We don't realize that until you need. He realize the need for Jesus. That's why he's there. And that's why he came. Along is because we talked about this the other day. Just what's going on in society is. We're not. We're building towards. You said it really good building towards perfection, not coming from perfection like if we are always judging yourself against perfection. Then I mean we didn't come from that. We're trying to build to that. And I think that was a great way to put it. The pursuit of perfection in my life, because I grew up in a really religious environment, and I mean when I say religious I mean rules without relationship. It wasn't really aimed at a relationship with God, so that pursuit of perfection left me frustrated. Because it couldn't be, you can attain it. I couldn't anything everything that was sin that they said it was saying I was doing it. And I was trying hard not to do it. You know. And I got super super frustrated about that and. and. So this idea, this is why in my core values, I have the word excellence and excellence left room. For mistakes I didn't WanNa make them more than once and I wanted to clean it up. But this idea of what you just said of getting better, it comes you have to. You have to take risks, and you have to make mistakes. There's no way around it even even if we're talking spiritually God forgive me, Hey, my friend, please forgive me I. Have Done What's wrong here. You know and when I got that right? This idea of like going to hell and get net kind of squared away in my life and understanding that God had me there now could just go to work work hard and make mistakes and say I'm sorry and come back at it the next day. Pursue excellence that changed my life for sure. That's why it's there. I like him on this in the first three verses out talks. You know in Chapter Eight. You know. Listen to podcasts lot when you guys did Chapter Eight. In, the people wanted to. They wanted to king. You know they. They wanted to be like eating might be. Like the aim rights and it'd be like the Philistines you know and so. I just what I like about these first couple of chapters is that. God gave them what they wanted. Because if you look at I, mean look at the difference between Saul and then when David became king, so David was the next king. David wasn't even there with his brothers. When same you came to figure out who the next king was going to be, he was out in the field, feeding the sheep. Twelve years old. Thank or maybe I don't know. Maybe he was young. We know he was young, but just totally different. You look at Samuel, mean the city is the best looking guy in Israel stood had ensured shoulders above everybody else. I mean that's what they wanted more of A. To me, you know, but if you've noticed here in this first title. Yeah, that's what that's what I was going to. Because these first couple of verses, you don't see the mention of God anywhere. God's not met me later on, but he's not in these first few verses because it was almost like these people they wanted. They wanted the image of God. They didn't want the substance of God. That makes sense that's perfect, so they wanted the image they they wanted their one of the benefits. COW, yeah! Thirty hats because they need actually need somebody to lead them into battle God. God was going to do that if we talked about this a couple versus before no, I'm saying the. Not The tabernacle the hardly. Anything before. Yeah, absolutely yeah so I just got the they wanted they wanted they had to have a keen because they wanted to be like everybody else. And instead you know hard thing GonNa why? Why didn't why wasn't David I mean somebody like David? I guess humble. and. We know also it's also. Somebody. good-looking God had a plan I mean they don't I don't know if they would accepted. If I didn't bring a man like saw that was good looking. Handsome, big strong consuming you know. Would they have accepted that. Is something that I thought because I I just got so caught on the difference between Saul and David. And what I? Just my my thought was. Why did God do that? Why did God because that's not how he works right I? Mean typically he doesn't choose the best looking right the most qualified for. The head of you know, he doesn't normally do that, but he did that here. Ask that question. Why why did he do that? Only thing I can think of, is he? He gave them what they want these mega point. Like Hey. I gave you what you want. Yeah, but I. Think God wanted saw to fail I. Don't know. But I mean. That's that's why I've said somebody before he would suck I. Don't know if I should even say this. Probably not right, but it would be. I would not be good at being God. Agree. What I say, I wouldn't know what you're going to do with what I give. Out My plans for you, our good Jeremiah Twenty nine God's plan to for us to. He, wants what's good. He wanted what's good for saw. Unfortunately. He knew the day you're known. It's all going to have yeah. How he would deal with the position so each one of us like we're God's GonNa. Put you in a position. He's GonNa. He's GonNa lead you to. That doesn't necessarily give you like a guaranteed. You're going to handle it right. It goes back to free. Will he goes back to free will solve. I know is going to do so. I'm. Sure so. I never thought about what you said, but which is ironic that the first two kings? Were anointed or pointed whatever you want to say. We're both going about their business obeying father. When they called for sure he was out and was standing. She was looking for donkey. That everyday circumstance of life is due in line to. Do it. God's snip seeing and how many times in your life? How many stories do you have and I? Was I talk about this among means Group A lot. Like there's so many times I go back in the past, and I can remember certain days where I'm I would go. This is this. I'M NOT GONNA recover. Yeah to recover from this. I can't believe this happened. You know that I cook like you said then you go back and looking. I wouldn't change any of that because it all led me to wear at rotten now and that's our God like. Debts just being president just walking it out and some of these things I did want to happen. Like and I've had some tragedy with my brother. Pass and other things happened in my life, but I go back and go man if if if I didn't see that, go through that I couldn't help this guy. Couldn't do this. You know so the worst heard in my life. The worst pain and the hurt that have come from was early was just my relationship with my dad. If you were to ask me what hurt me the worst inside and not being able to connect with him in that struggle and and. That hurts specifically has put me in a position to do and say and be who I am today because I understand it. If I didn't have that I'm just saying I'm not saying that was God's plan. Is What it was. And he took that pain that struggle that hurt and put me in a spot where I'm saying what I'm saying and trying to do it I'm trying to do, and because because of the just I'm just saying you're saying is true. Hundred percent true one hundred percents crazy. Yeah, how many times do you go? You're like man every day you wake up and you're almost not doing the same thing, but pretty much the same thing cramps and you're just like. Man What what what am I doing and then something like this happens. You become king. I always been really bummed. For Saul Yeah honestly I me too. I always saw him like man that sucks I. WanNa be a winter you. He had all tools you want it. And he was, he was humble. He was like seemed like a good dude. And then jealousy creeps in, but even his mistake that he made wasn't even that big a deal. I must say that. He didn't. He took a few things took. He's to destroyed. Didn't do it out of a place like like savings like. You're done one time, but. How many times have we screwed up? How many times a day? I. How many times a day you screw up! Think about that. Think about it in terms of where we're at today now even even have a couple of men that I've worked and I've told them that they have king i. just called it being a King Syndrome. What he McCain okay, King your world. Yeah, everybody does what you WANNA. Do you got a lot of money? You say this is what I want done today down at the office and everybody does it. You know you're in a position where nobody really tells you know you can do whatever you want. And you see how far away you get from your values or your strongest beliefs, if you don't have something to come back to anchor you. Kingman think about guys and gals in our culture who got a ton of money and things? Go their way and we need Jesus for. You don't. You do. They think they don't yeah. Because everything's going good. No, so he didn't. He just didn't have. Maybe he didn't have much of a chance saw. DuNno out, but like I've always felt bad for so I always? Always like man. Sucks. Are Bro. There's like just at the end you know. He's I felt like most of the time He. Like all of us most of the time we're trying to put it always comes back to hey, that's why we need. Jesus and he had to live like date like Samuel said. You're done and go find another job. Yeah, no! Years doing to live with this, and this is you know. Wins wins coming and you actually know who's GonNa get to do it, he's like. I don't know I mean. That's real world stuff right there. One of the things that I love about what you say you're kind of your motto is to finish well. And that resonated with me because they didn't about how you get started in the end, you know because that could be good or bad or whatever it, but we have got to finish well. Yeah, we got to the end. And that's good. That's good to have right in front of you I. Wish I could have finished better. You know for sure. Sucks. Socks. Must Study by of the you said. You feel sorry for Saul and and I. Get it I mean I see that, too? Because he he was trying to do? This to you most the time he was trying to do it right, but must study Bible. is so small to blow it up on my phone. But. It says the all those Saul had been called by God. And had a mission. To Life! He struggled constantly with jealousy insecurity with arrogance later on. Impulsiveness and deceit. He did. He says he did not decide to be wholeheartedly committed to God and this is what I thought was very interesting. He said or the study. Bible says because Saul would not let God's love. Give him rest of his heart. From those very interesting, he would not let God's love. Give him rest his heart. He never became God's man. That makes sense when you're watching this. You're just like me and Saul. Chill like yeah like you got it just chill and. I thought that was inter. Again and again he just never accepted then get. He never felt. You can see either it self deprecating or any really believes that about himself. I'm way jumping way ahead. Yeah, but you know when you see it here to yet. As first line at first line like I'm beliefs, least of the tribes and I'm the least of the family in that he really he's already like. This mindset. Yeah, just talking himself down the. Middle of, workout? OR ANYTHING! This podcast last week. No let me tell I'm GONNA. Talk First, and then you can rebuttal. We're sitting there. What are we talking about last week? When she saw I got to speak life, I gotTA speak. You know you can do this, speak. A she didn't speak life about me. I'm not talking about asinine other uncle. I'm talking about herself, so she's always talking down to herself and she like. You can just see the TAE GIS viral, starting to happen like out here we go again. And so on Monday or Tuesday Tuesday. We're doing these the burpee over the rower sprint Blah Blah and she sits down after one or two. She goes I'm in trouble she's. Just no I. Don't recover well I. Don't recover well. We just talked about this. We there that was just factual and. Go you recovery really well much better than the average person what does. The other day. We can do. I said Richard has like a freak like Taylor nineteen, so her body can recover really well riches, a FRAC- sounds is it's his gift. My spiritual gifts. I. Don't hear God at all in recovery having. I mean it's not. Actually sorry yeah. It was a perky. She sits on the bench. I just don't recover well. I just don't recover well now Mike, wouldn't we? People accountable. It's not a surprise. Openly talked about struggling with self worth and struggling. You know with those things and I mean it's a work in progress. Right like even salsa anointed by God. He still is struggled, so he's the king, so everyone's like Oh. We saw. Yes, he's handsome. He's tall. and. He's still struggling self worth and I think that's just real I mean it's GonNa. Be something I struggle. He. Didn't finish well either look good at the beginning Zale all downhill as a you're right in your fine. I'm wearing and listen. That's up deal like am I enough? That's a question. Are All dealing with all the time? You think maybe Sol's problem. Lies in the fact that his position is king was basically handed to him. Like. You didn't have to work more. You'd think about things that you have to work for. You seem to care for them a little bit or With David. He was told he was going to be keen, and then had to way as a teenager, but was. Was it twelve or Fifteen years if teen years sixteen, he fall, he hid. He had to do all these things. He joined Staines. He had he served even? He saw dead to rights. Yes well once in a cave could've killed him right there and. Yeah. He had to work for it. Yeah, and so I, think what he he saw his position a whole lot different because he had to walk through a lot of humility before he was exalted whereas all. That's. Saw Hawks in. Your your king, he get the best piece of meat, said at the head of the. But let's be honest. David screwed up a bunch, too. So! That's why I'm Kinda again. How do I mean? David did always come back Alex although even when he screwed up was like Oh man. was like I was trying to get a good sacrifice. Get Mad you know. God's plans bringing great points because. Even. Had A guy killed slept with his wife Ana. Somewhere. I go back to Saul wasn't obedient right. But. David was aided. BET with Dave. Davis also called metric. God's exactly. What you just read struggle. Described? Yes, all's heart in his heart was not. And that's the thing is God can see. People's Guide knows our modem. So maybe there's some of this stuff is left out on Sol and that's the answer and David you know even if when he screwed up and screwed up a lot, he always came back to God I. Think you know repentance really is two things it make. There's an inward. Your heart you have to have a change of your heart, and if there has to be an outward to, there's something an hour you need to do. Go the other direction there. You Go, yeah. I wonder. Wonder if you know maybe maybe maybe solved change things outwardly for everyone to see, but did he really. I mean we talked about probably what you mentioned in the heart, probably not. I get stuff that whatever else mad. God probably just had a plan. God knows K.. God knows I'll tell you another thing who knows us best. You know the sensor, but us four know this answer. Your who knows you better, children. They see you idea more. You can go out of here in public. Input on this great persona of who you really are. But my daughter, she knows exactly what she's called me out. I've told you that testimony like she. She saw it. It's ironic that Jonathan. Of course y'all read about him going forward, but saw son. He always took all day. Always David. Side Mr Riot like he saw. All his father, his father was FG. Eddie saw David David, wasn't he? While his father was keen, Jonathan submitted himself to David's Lordship. So. That's maybe in the Bible doesn't tell us everything about everybody you enough where you go. WHOA, what's up? Why would Jonathan do that or Lead leads to different, you know who I am come to the house about seven forty five at night. Last wants. ME. To Build. She was. She asked me the other day she goes. So what's the difference between into the storm and your regular podcasts I was like nothing. It's the same thing. So, she doesn't listen, so you're good. Go ahead. Say whatever you want, right. It's true I mean your kids kids. No, because they definitely agree with your donkey comment about medishare, sure one hundred percent show. Trying to think. Is there anything else in here that we haven't really covered? Solves given the place of honor. It's like he just suddenly. Comes from this like all right? Here's the best pizza meet here. You're at the head of the table Hey. You know we've Kinda. If you go to the bar and every day and train and you just was able to walk it, and you could just walk them. Compete Wind Win. It wouldn't mean that the now. Really good point that is think about it like. Giving somebody in what I do now I? Don't give anybody anything right. You'RE GONNA to pay. You got to do something every time. I tried to give it away for free. They don't do it. You know there's gotta be some sort of hurdle in needs to be. That person he's bill a clear. It needed to get get over the hurdle right in, but they gotta pay the price some way up front. You know I think that's really destructive. Price good. Our Salvation! Race one on something in the game. When stuff's free it's not. You're not gonNA take care of it as much sums given to you I mean when I was a kid. You know four wheelers and stuff like that. My parents, you know I, honestly I. I worked for it because we had a ton of chores and stuff, but when it was given. It was oh. Yeah, you know I. Need a new one. I need a new this. I need to do that, but then when you had to do it yourself, you're like Oh. Maybe I can I can ride around with this. It's it's different completely different to put it in them money and worldly perspective, but yeah, when he just became King I. Remember My Dad. This is just a funny story about this. But when I was a kid, I would. We lived in the country so. Me and my brother sister. We played outside all day you know. I look back like my parents like we didn't. Even hardly clothes went outside with some you've seen. You've seen. You've seen my kids. Yeah, come in, you're just covered in dirt and I just go pick up on the couch. Put on sure on your Darla Couchepin, but you don't even think about it now. I gotta couch like you roll up my house. All sweaty and Jerry. Get done working out pop up. You know you. Pay For. We have white couches with three kids I. Don't remember understood that brilliant. Teaches own trace is like the other night. which was, it might have been Wednesday Tuesday night Wednesday night. Only a diaper on actually who's naked most of the day he was in and out of that little pool, and then he walks up and he's I. Don't even know how he got dirt where he had dirt like his mouth has had like. He looked like he came out of a coal mine. Where have you been? You know he's been around us all day. I mean I guess. The Barn is not the cleanest place, but. Yeah same thing, but he doesn't care I'm going to hear me. No, you're not. You're going to get a bath man. Funny and So. Things that cost us. We appreciate your one hundred per. Seek out trouble trouble, not seek out trouble. I guess it's not the right way to play say. Get comfortable me. Uncomfortable growth happens, and then you know you got to pay pay for something else. Yeah, that's not worth it. So, yes, all is basically it's foreshadow and we told you guys that he's going to become king. It hasn't I guess. He hasn't officially become king here, but he's going to announce. In the next couple of verses. But yeah, it's Fan. Go back and forth like you feel bad for Saul. And then you're like wouldn't idiot I immediate. At all more on. How many times have we had it all? Up So I guess thinking about the same UNISOM. Say You. Guys have heard this. You put somebody in a in a difficult situation. You really see their cash route. Character comes out. But I I wonder if he's not. He's exalting solitaire. You know puts him at the head of the table. And meets him. You know the the choice made. I wonder if it's different, though when people actually exalt you and put you in position I wonder if Samuel wasn't. how I wonder how. He's GonNa Handle. This is a humble servant. This he oh, yeah, okay I'll think that me. I've seen people you know. Get put in lofty positions and they. They don't handle it well. They talked about that and enduring word, and it says like. How do you react when you're honored? You receive honor humbly without being proud it says something good about us, but if you show false humility or proud heart, it shows something bad in your character silence. So Literally Centrists we may speculate. Samuel was interesting to see how Saul reacted honored. This often shows what kind of person you yup. Interesting it is. The reason why I thought about that is because. I have to be honest. I've I've been put in a position, not necessarily been in. You know what I would call maybe a higher position. I didn't I didn't handle it well stuff like I've never been there. Yeah, I didn't handle. The. Some of the Times there's been Tom's haven't handled it well, so I think that Gaba speaking to me through that, so it's really good, and you need people around you. That's what is community and family. Reminding mentors and people are GonNa hold you accountable. You have some relationship with somebody. It's just going to beat you down, but somebody. That's like hey. We're doing. My my wife and I have an amazing relationship. And she tells me straight, and she's funny, and she's super sharp and sarcastic in a good way in a way mine. Is Non Zone are cast. So, she may watch suggest you may watch a piece. A piece of mayhem mindset is at middle. Tennessee State University in their students center or there. They have a center up there for Students Student Development Center. Yes, and I'm sitting around the table with all these PhD's an. Awesome PhD problem PhD's but I don't have a PhD. So I'm sitting with the President University, and these two other PhD's, and they're making this announcement that a part of this curriculum and I'm honestly feeling Pretty Dang good and that moment I'm like. WHAT THE HECK! This is something for some guy you know to have. This had this happen? They can say my name. And they flashed a little picture of the little book up on the on the thing and I. Go to stand up and my wife Kinda grabs hold of me and as I'm as I'm walking away and she says. Just don't forget. You're a blank painter. And this thing was I was a painter. I painted houses. Come from this I, was nobody and she smelled at me real big and it was funny. Because that's what my friend said him. Yeah to keep me in that space, right? Don't forget buddy i. know who you are where you came from. Up here and you're gonNA wave and everything that's going to be cool, but as huge is a story about that, yeah, Roman in Roman history when King would when they would go out, or a general would come back from destroying a nation. They would they would cart this man this general. They would cart him through the city streets and they would. They would hire this guy this boy. He would put a wreath and he would hang it over the generals head. And he was, but I can't remember what the the Latin word is that he that they were saying, but he would say like homonym some. I can't remember, but it was remember. You're still only just a man. Because the king ordered that kid to do that. You could keep that generally I just. started. That's powerful in. Its I don't WanNa. Make it sound negative at all. Hopefully it now know he's great. Lover is doing. What a really good friend would do, but we could end up like saw. In a space where we have that syndrome that King Syndrome in, and we don't finish well. If we're not remember always pumping up. Yeah, he's connected to somebody to tear you down every once in a while yeah yeah. Absolutely. I think. Joke a completely joking about Hillary. Yeah, that's one thing I'd. She could care less anything about cross, but gee I don't know what half the movements are anything that we do. She's always there to support you. Know wants us to win is long. She's wants US happy, but she's always. You know she could care less anything about fitness, and so it is good. Run Mike. Hey, we did this and she's like. Cool I. Don't really know this. Gingerly think that that's a really awesome. Balanced ensure especially when you get in a spot where you're super successful at something and people understand and recognize that you are. It's good to have people who are closest to you be like. I know who you're. Really good at that work train. Yeah you guys have there's a story. I've heard you tell about her something about having fun at home are Josh. D Two thousand thirteen. Horrible that I bet the pool. Everybody remembers that. And then the next couple events clear to smash the first couple of at some Mike in a whole by. It was sad Friday morning, Friday, morning, and I'm just feeling sorry for myself in a horrible is pissed off and she walks up were sitting there. In the stands and she's like kind of after an athlete brief and she goes. What's wrong with you, Mike, this sucks. I'm feeling sorry for myself and just complaining and she goes to get your stuff. Like what are you talking about? She's like. Tell Dave you're going home. If you're not having fun, we're going on. To take us. Thing Hill I'm gonNA tell Dave trained all year, and I'm since I'm not winning. I'm going to go home and so well. And the events got better for me and everything lined up correctly and for for me in that year and I ended up winning, and so of course she takes credit of like it was my. Thank you for credit. And so it's always comes. You're not having fun. We're going home and I'm like right sure. What makes me think of that person James consider it pure joy. Literally as that's exactly what was kind of? Helping you out, and that's pretty cool. I didn't have fun after that, but at least I started winning. More fun. So cool anything else. Last bit of. Brian. You find anything they're not just. Read this verse yesterday in our meeting. Would always going on in our world today? We're talking about humility and. I would like to read this first and micro six eight, you know. He, says the he has shown you immortal. Assault, O'Brien Jamie. That's what what is good. Okay, this is God. What is good? And what does the Lord require of us? Okay. Sometimes we have if we grew up in religion. We have all these things that we think we have to it. Really, he says I require three things. And Salt and new. These will a lot of times. We haven't done these well. If we turn the news on as a country, we haven't done these well, okay. But he says to act justly okay to act justly. There's so much in that when it when it comes to justice and doing the thing, okay, righteous is not religion righteousness. When God calls us to be righteous, it is to do the right thing. Okay. What is riding? God's is as righteous. And he says number two to love mercy. Gay which we're not merciful generation today community. Everybody's like I want revenge. He did this to me. It's time for you to pay. which is backwards of God everything that he does is motivated by mercy. Everything and the last thing is to walk humbly, and so if we miss one of these three things then we're going to miss the boat completely. To Bat and seven seven fifty with God and good enough. You know like I don't mean that in a way that there's some things that we. That we need to be able to do. Is a believer salt into it. I don't do it most the time I mean I, look at what went on and I think. Man. Even that. I've justified a lot of things in my actions are the things I've said based upon. I would somebody else's told me this been done to them or whatever as opposed to going? It ain't it ain't about me. You know when Jesus went to the Cross. Not One time to retaliate or go are this is what you've done to is what I'm GonNa do right now, says and flip each to the. He humbled himself took on the form of servant. So humility with him mercy with him, and most of all just with cry so I just think I don't want to I won't be on the PODCAST for two weeks. Who knows what's GonNa go on the next two weeks Eddie, but I want to stand up and say as a country. We need to do things better. We need to do things better. If we walked this in our own life. You Ain't gotta worry about everybody else is doing. You'll do the right thing at that. Point of everybody's doing the right thing. God's going to honor that, so we filter what we do. Next, through those three things we the right to read. A huge difference between justice and Reuben. A skit stuff. Also. I don't think we've. Yeah and in prayer. Lord thank you again for. Each each and every one of these people at the table in their heart for you Lord I pray that. We glorify you and? Brian said do those three things that you know? There's a lot of a lot of hurt a lot of anger. Lot of revenge going on right now and just pray that you'd be with with both sides honestly and help them to see you know you and. To. Just know what your will is and. Know your son and what he did for all of us and. Come together as one people and people for you. Once again that it's your words that are spoken not just on this podcast, but. Every day is free, and everyone says we move forward and just pray that. Hearts would be opened by you. And that these words that are spoken were your words, and it fall onto those hearts, and they would know you more, and and no. You closer so thank you for all that you do for us and thank you for sending your son die for us.

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