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Dead Celebrity Ep 18  Mickey Rooney: Elder Abuse and Preventing Post-Death Litigation  With Vivian Lee Thoreen

Dead Celebrity

30:08 min | 1 year ago

Dead Celebrity Ep 18 Mickey Rooney: Elder Abuse and Preventing Post-Death Litigation With Vivian Lee Thoreen

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We then discuss what advisers should expect and how to avoid common pitfalls hosted by Wealth Management Dot com senior editor. David Lennick hello. Everyone and welcome to the latest episode of Wealth Management Dot Com dead celebrity podcast for anyone new to the podcast h installment myself in a guest take on a difference. Liberty State to extract some key lessons a planners can apply to their more traditional clients. The idea being that celebrity estate planning catastrophes although often ridiculous in their details generally have at their cores very basic issues. I can just as easily apply to non famous or fabulously wealthy clients. We've a very special treat this week as you already know from. The title are subject. We Mickey Rooney. However I of the show our guest is actually an active participant in the story joining me. This is Vivian. Lutheran Devean is the executive partner Colin. Tonight's Los Angeles Office and chairs the firm's National Private Wealth Services Dispute Resolution team. She's a litigator and experienced trial attorney whose practice focuses on complex trust estate conservative ship and guardianship matters to represents individuals families charities and financial institutions in cases including wills and trust disputes and tested conservatives ships and guardian ships breach of fiduciary duty matters and elder abuse matters. Some of her high profile cases include the estate of Richard. Pryor and as mentioned the elder abuse and a State of Mickey Rooney. Thanks for joining us to be here. Thank you very much so now onto the story. Mickey Rooney was an American actor. Vaudevillian comedian producer and radio personality in a career spending nine. Yes you heard that right and nine decades. He appeared in more than three hundred films and made countless television appearances. Best known during his youth for the wholesome role of Andy Hardy which he provides sixteen times the diminutive Rooney only for two later settled into a celebrated career as a character actor in roles ranging from the Oscars oscar-nominated. Turn a jockey in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine dollars and to his well received at the time but now troublesome in hindsight turn the Japanese comic relief character. Mister Uneo she in nineteen sixty. One breakfast at Tiffany's really struggle with addiction alcohol pills and most notably gambling his entire life. You gambled away his fortune and then similarly refilled it by constantly. Working on several occasions he was also married eight times. The first of which was ever Gardner so despite his diminutive stature Mickey clearly punched way above its weight and less wedding with Jan Jan Chamberlin. To whom he was still married at his death in two thousand fourteen. The couple had separated twenty twelve. He left behind nine children and two stepchildren and the state worth only some eighteen thousand dollars. The story of wounds later years as tragic stepson. Chris Abor who has his closest confidante was accused by his conservative stealing over eight point. Five million dollars for him and controlling every aspect of his life was not even allowed to carry. Identification case eventually settled for two point. Eight million dollars in two thousand thirteen. It later came out that Mickey was also allegedly physically abused his wife though. She denies the allegations. Rooney became the face of elder abuse at the time still largely unknown phenomenon to the greater public. When in two thousand eleven he testified before a Spanish such Senate special committee on Aging. You telling his treatment you said over the course of time. By daily life became unbearable. I felt trapped scared used and frustrated but above all I felt helpless after his death. There was of course further fighting over his estate on the part of John and his children. So it's fight over the state worth only eighteen. Thousand Dollars Aplenty. Rooney's likeness rights representative fairly valuable commodity as it access to his SAG. Pensions and this was an issue because even though the couple separated him in Jan twenty twelve. We didn't actually divorce so Jan was sought to be recognised suspend treated as his spouse Vivian. That's a whole lot of story in a fairly complicated web of abuse and family infighting where exactly you come into the picture. First of all. That was a terrific comprehensive and a short summary That really doesn't like it happened Our firm came into the matter just before really before Mickey testified before the Senate Special Committee of Aging. We were contacted at a time where I believe. It was the pinnacle of abuse. That make you enduring at the hands of Chris Abor and his wife from that point forward we initiated but we call him California temporary conservative ship proceedings and other jurisdictions has called they're called guardianship proceedings so we had a temporary conservative ship in place. Then the permanent Harry took place And from that point forward in February two Mickey's date of death. He had conservative ship. And for those who don't Noah nowadays a conservative ship. I think Britney Spears has had a similar has a similar situation correct. That's exactly right. Yes and you funny. That you mentioned Britney because Like Britney Mickey's conservative. Ship was voluntary. So it's really different than someone who is borderline incapacitated And cannot make a decision for themselves whether it's financial or on a daily basis about you know where they're gonna live or what kind of food they're gonNA eat in this situation. The voluntary aspect of it was really significant in that Mickey had all of his wits about him but included in that was his acknowledgement. Which I think was very very difficult and I think that speaks to just elderly people everywhere people generally. It was a acknowledgment that he is vulnerable and that he needed protection that he himself could not withstand this type of abuse so that was really Material really impressive and Kinda shocking. Frankly amount of self awareness that I think most people are capable of. Frankly yeah and that's what that's what made his Senate testimony that much more impactful because here you had somebody Mickey Rooney and as you've gone through his credentials since he was a baby to death and the heads of people that he has you know been around For him to acknowledge what a nightmare abuse had been. That really had something. If you just Google the Mickey hearings for twenty seven pictures from he's truly beaten up with his covenant bridges. He's missing teeth. It looks like a boxer. Who just went twelve rounds? It's pretty messed up. Yeah and you know. We had the privilege of accompanying him to the Senate and he was. I know he's an actor But the words that he the testimony that he provided they were really from the heart and You Know He. He was kind of a broken man when we met him. Because you know he's elderly. He knows he's not at the height of his career anymore. And he just wants to enjoy the life's basic necessities. I and you know when we first met him He held up his wallet to me. And that's when he says looking my wallet look inside not only do. I not even have my photo photo. I D. I don't have my sad card but I don't even have one dollar to buy flowers for. My wife was really hardly at the butterfly. Flowers for his wife is very telling well at the time he did he did was just leave it at that. We mentioned a conservative ship. Here on mind just giving us the ten thousand foot view of what exactly it entails. Conservative ship is some states guardianship as you mentioned other states. What does that look? Yeah same concept is different jargon but essentially there are two types of conservative ships. One is of the person and one is of the state it contributor ship of the person means you need someone to help you make the day to day decisions in your life where you're gonNA live. What are you GONNA eat? How are you going to get from A to B to your doctors your various appointment? Someone's gotTa help with those sorts of day to day type of tasks contributors above the estate is. I need help with Making financial decisions whether it's paying bills or making sure that I am getting paid for what I'm entitled to So that's the distinction there and usually people have both but it is not uncommon to just have one or the other. Yeah and it's very important. You know to even if someone has a conservative shape or guardianship in place to sort of their family to keep monitoring them and make sure. Everything's copacetic. No might mean personal experience with this With elder abuse is that my wife's Shelford financial elder abuse from her court appointed New York. Guardian zones. Retort stole from our so these things you know just because there is a golden place doesn't mean that you know it's it's a comfort and it's excellent but it's also still has to be monitored absolutely there has to be oversight from every angle possible and it's really just or to find to me as an attorney when abuse comes from these professional do Sheri's and your example of a retired judge. I mean that's just I'm horrified But yeah there are. Elderly people had the oversight to begin with then. There wouldn't be a need for these types of conservators guardians and that kind of the fundamental premise. Of Okay what can we do to stave off Abuse Litigation? All about at the end my message would be about prevention and communication. I think that's important. Message obviously prevention. I requires recognizing at. There's a problem right. You have to put things in place that you can notice that the abuse is happening so maybe like what are some examples. What are some ways that you know? If I'm a financial adviser I have clients or a MU- survey I see my clients. I can maybe start to have an inkling that something might be going on right. So here's something that's really easy As people become increasingly elderly they may have caregivers or staff employees. Who helped them For example pay their bills and one really really easy thing to do would be to. Let's say they're accustomed to having their caregiver or assistant right off the checks and send them out And typically are elderly generation. They're not going to be doing banking online or anything like Bashar. We're talking manual hard checks so I would say all right. Have your caregiver whomever fill out the check but still have the client. Our elderly person sign it so that there is still some active involvement and participation in that process so assuming are elderly. Person doesn't have macular degeneration and they can see then the person there's accountability because you can have the bill you see the check you verify and then you find it. Don't delegate it all away. It's interesting that that's the thing. Seems like such a small touch right or is this. Just make sure that? They've glanced at once but the way of keeping like that's that's what has to happen right. It doesn't have to be some grand gesture to keep them every little bit. Keeps them connected? That's right and you know elderly friend. They want remain involved anyway. So it's when they start getting beaten down and worn down and finally the act of paying bills is something that they give up and they acquiesce in that so they don't necessarily want to be excluded from that process but while everyone is young and Can Plan ahead and this is what I want as I get older and you can make a provision for that. That's the time to really talk about it. The prevention communication. He is not when you have short seventy and eighty and where it's okay. It's not too late but there. There's a rhythm and place in a dependency that an a routine that they're accustomed to. It's when they're younger. It's when you can talk about what you really want to. The signing the check thing is too because again. I've got another personal anecdote about Your grandparents around the corner from us and so we saw them all the time but on one of my grandfather who lived until mid nineties His great pleasures was once a month when my mother would come over and then they would sit and do the bills and they were like assembly. Line style casino larger Prince. She would read him everything and then he would make us checks and he was like you've never seen him happens at grumpy old. Russian then never seen them happier and part of that had to do with him being a CPA. And just like you know that stuff but it was. You know to seeing them together like that. It was frankly adorable for lack of a more technical. Yeah no that is exactly right. boomers will refer them collectively. That is a key part of their independence and so to take that away. And if you have to get to the point where you've got a court conservative ship. Guardianship that's heartbreaking. And so if you can stave that off by having these really kind of basic. That's in place. Everyone's going to be a lot also the other abuses only kind of one part of the larger. Mickey Rooney Story here too. There is though still quite a bit of Post Death Estate Litigation and that is something that is also generally presented preventable. I mean some of it is is going to happen but there are steps you can take to sort of safeguard and make sure that it short and sweet as possible You talk about some of those techniques and steps are that we can try to take to stave off a futuristic litigation. Absolutely I say this kind of half jokingly to it was it came as a bit of a shock to us there would be a litigation after Mickey died considering how just minimal. The size of his estate was that also goes to show you. People don't necessarily need anything to fight about and we were talking about make you ruining her name and likeness is significant but really the only sure fire way to assure that there won't be any litigation is to have nothing to hide it out and by that. I you can go the most coney and they have no assets left but not going to be the norm or you know possible in most situations so again to prevent litigation. I think it really takes a lot of communication It's easy to say. Well you definitely have to have an estate clan. Okay well you have to have an estate plan. That is comprehensive in the sense that the provisions in the document actually say what you want to say and by that I mean. There's a lot of technical legal lease and jargon and some of the state planning documents are fifty sixty seventy eighty pages long and what it comes down to it the paragraph to say weird. What my stuff to go. It's contained in a very short extra of that document right so we have to be clear we have to be. I think Avoid ambiguity we have to really think about not only where the assets are going to go but how they're gonNA be distributed so for example. Here's one that comes up. Shockingly a lot. Some clients will use percentages. Divide my state and give thirty percent of this person twenty percents of this person etcetera etcetera. Make sure the percentages add up to one hundred percent. I mean that's that's right. It's ridiculous exactly. So that's something but here's another example One thing that tends to generate litigation and it's not even about who gets what because we've had fights where it's fifty fifty so what certified about. Well what does fifty fifty meat? What does equal bean doesn't mean looking situation right? But what does it? Yes right is it. The King Solomon way where every APP is going to be cut in half which sounds ridiculous but those are positions people have taken or is it the value and at what point. Isabel you're going to be derived but another way to avoid litigation is to not be overly optimistic about Your family members who may not have gotten along during her lifetime who you think. Oh God they're going to get along. I'm going to name them as co-trustees and I'm GonNa make them make every decision together. Well that's not GonNa work that we've talked about before especially with them. The modern blended family that we're seeing more and more with you know with the same sex marriage and adoption adult adoption in different families. That are moving all over the world different countries and all these things families are so complex now and they a lot of them are just kind of only connected by the one person and they can get along for the sake of that person. That's their connection to each other but when you magically sort of walk that Strand of the web out the whole thing could very easily unravel. Because they've just got nothing in common with remove that person exactly exactly so. I think it's incumbent upon us as advisors and counselors whether you're attorney CPA financial advisor to have a practical conversation with our clients and to help them carry out what they're saying by a couple of steps. Just say okay. So you want this to happen when you pass on. Let's play that out. Let's assume that happened now. What what about this? And what about that and to really apply what they're telling you is their wish and describe it and Try to implement it in real time as you're planning it and I think that's where sometimes we as advisors fall short where we don't take the time to really explain what the consequences of their decision might be if easy for us to just take note. Okay you want your house to go here you want this to go there but I and if the client is saying also I wanted to balance so everyone gets. You know the same out okay. Let's talk about that. What if what mechanism are you getting? Used to calculate that and then what if there's a shortfall how and where is that going to be made up and it's those additional questions that I think will really help our clients Plan more effectively shocking. You don't realize how much sort of application of common sense you imply just like everything you do. All the time But you know when you're working with legal document and someone who somebody wrote and somebody is saying they're not gonNA be there to explain it to apply common sense. You kind of just have to go by exactly what it says when the weird way there's like there is no common sense allowed and almost like those things you're the stories as fairy tales about like when people make wishes with genie and they were to just the way they think of what they mean but then it comes out in this crazy other way that they never anticipated because they did it exactly like they said it similar to what can happen here and over. There's no common sense with rarely common sense with the recipients on the beneficiaries because they've just undergone a massive trauma and they're not going to be they're not going to be in a great state to sort of sit down and be rational either so it really the documentary on these to hold up under some fairly ask scrutiny agreed and I would add that. There is a shocking amount of litigation. Over what I will call chachis personal effects just little you know and and it can vary from jewelry which can be significant to trinkets that are worthless objectively worthless. And maybe they don't even have sentimental value. But you know we've settled multi-million dollar cases but we're still fighting about the cheese and to that I would suggest again what you said David. Which is some practical advice. How are those going to be distributed? And if this were your state what are you? GonNa do to make sure that there is a fight about it because it's going to be Hutch inexpensive fight over these tricks. That's a another celebrity example rather the Robin Williams state fight actually was largely over just his like collections and his collection and that was worth some money but in the grand scheme of the Robin the amount of money that was involved in a state the bicycle collection is just like who cares but that those were they were really fighting over because that was the stuff that was him for. That money wasn't him? And that's a different sort of compulsion. The need to have than it is. Just I want X. amount of dollars right these trinkets whether they're very valuable or not. They clearly represent very different. Things to the litigant delay due to bystanders and ill lot of the stuff was sitting here. And they're like how can I possibly know that which of Dad's chairs my client cares about or the the way to do that is to involve everyone in the planet too often even when a client to sit down and Caribbean Estate Plan. Document that setup these these these vehicles they want to keep it secret from their family they want it to be. They want to know what they're going to get because I don't know sometimes they don't want them to jockey for position trying to play politics about it and you end up with village succession the TV show but really what is going to happen more often. Is that people. Don't have the grand fortune that they're giving up the the really people are going to fight over like. Oh I want. That's baseball met from when he was hit and the way to cut that off that somebody really could never possibly anticipated when dad was writing as well is symbolic the family and let it come up in the adviser's office when you're talking about it. So what do you care about getting from to be money? I completely agree there is a lot of litigation and I'm not a psychologist and I don't have any kind of training that area but It does feel like Since we work with family members closely so intimately on these types of deeply personal issues that there is a lack of closure Based on some residual childhood events memory loveless event. Or something where? They're trying to prove something else through this litigation and what they're ultimately going to get but I agree with you completely that To the extent that are claims can talk with their families while they're planning and find out what it is or kids want or tell the kids. Hey I'm leaving you Or start to give it away during their lifetime. That would also be really helpful because then the transaction has been completed so to speak. So if there's GonNa be some The fallout then. You can hear about it right away. I think also too though and this is human nature. People don't like to think about death or they think that once they die things they're going to magically work out or I don't WanNa deal with it I'm just GonNa put it under the carpet and I. I don't WanNa have conflict right now so I'm just gonNA avoid it and it's kind of the all right. Well paid our pay later and you might not be around later. But you're estates going to pay dearly and that can't possibly be what want and it's also I think a lot of just you know I trust my family. Which sounds like you know right cynical? Don't do that but it's not just simply don't trust your family but you know for example you know as my mother gets older oncoming more and more involved in her state plan and her financial situation. Just because I'm GonNa stay a tree of course I And my sister is less involved in that stuff but still very much all of my mother's life but we make sure like I insist when I see things or when I go to things that even though me and my sister have a fantastic relationship that I don't trust that you know we don't know what's going to happen in the future and she needs to know. I don't want to be surprised by anything that you know you were doing this this whole time. Kind of thing you know. I'm not gonNA come over there and do it without you telling her first and then we can do whatever we want and stuff like that. It's like even though I trust my sister with my life and you know she's I think she's the best enough. I don't think there's anything that guitarist apart. That's not necessarily true in practice mode right now. That's a very good point. I think there's also two on the part of the parents. A sense of denial where okay. They know their kids. Don't get along and you and your sister about example for that. But they know growing up if they have a son or daughter they were never that close. They weren't friends at but the idea in their minds. They have this fantasy like well. I'm going to name them both. Co-trustees I'M GONNA GIVE FIFTY FIFTY S. No work it out and I'll be good. What started fight about well. Okay if if mom and dad really had a heart to heart and we're being real with themselves they would know okay. This is not a good situation. We cannot have them both be in charge of the estate because they're completely different people. Don't even talk to each other and I think if our clients are in denial about that or they have this fantasy that things are going to magically work out I think as advisers that we have to tell our clients and say look this this sound it looks good on paper but how is it going to work out. What how are they gonNa make a decision on? How how were they implement it? What if there's a conflict who's going to resolve the conflict? We have to be ready to have those difficult conversations with our clients. Because if we don't then it's going to give a home attorneys like me Very twisted form of job security speaking guest interests. Here I am very comfortable about that because the the taste is in the fighting just it's endless and even with the clients who recognize that they have to settle. They can't themselves to do it. You know if the brother get this diamond ring. Well then I have to get this other ring. And if I don't then forget it and they're going to blow up a multi-million dollar settlement for that ultimately probably has nothing to do with the rings at all and those are just sort of happened to be the vessels through which some other fighters happening all right exactly exactly so it's really I think ultimately what kind of a lesson here is these difficult conversations and this is comfortable stuff to do almond but a lot of clients in trouble because they want to avoid something. That's a little uncomfortable. While they're alive then that kind of butterfly effects and as an turns into like a little problem that would have been a little annoying little awkward. When we're alive now is a big fight after I'm dead and it's costing you hundreds of thousands of dollars It's really like a little pain now. Taking the medicine now can be you know really prevent a lot right and we're just about out of time. I'm going to do with all my guests here and just put you right on the spot. Vivian there's of one lesson for advisors in terms of avoiding litigation and you're trying to make sure that these fights to the best of their ability are either don't happen or as short and sweet as they possibly can be. What's the one biggest piece of advice you can give? One is my after he wanted to spend all your money. Make sure there's nothing to fight about at the end but that's not realistic The other one would be communication communication during the lifetime to all involved. That's it communication. It's simple sounding simple. But it's not necessarily as simple as it sounds very important lead to absolutely. I like to thank our guest. Vivian Lee Corinne for taking the time to chat with us today. I think this was a very not really how I envisioned the pockets necessarily when I started it but I think it's kind of cool that it's going in this direction a little bit that we've actually had someone on who was Not just sort of prognosticating about one of these things. What was actually there on the ground at an in it so I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your story and your insight with us giving adviser thank you very much. And that's all our time folks all see you or I guess you'll hear me on the next episode of the dead celebrity podcast. Thank you for listening to the dead celebrity podcast. Click the subscribe button below to become notified. When new episodes become available the information covered in posted represents the views and opinions of guests and does not necessarily represent the views or opinions of INFORMA- Wealth Management Dot COM? The content has been made available for Informational and educational purposes. Only the content is not intended to be a substitute for professional. Investing advice always device of your financial advisor or other qualified financial service provider with any questions. You may have regarding your investment planning support for. Today's podcast is brought to you by F. S. INVESTMENTS. 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Episode 82 : Deceased - The Void of No Return #11

YEK YEK JE

09:51 min | 1 year ago

Episode 82 : Deceased - The Void of No Return #11

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The argument for Urban Legands

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

05:38 min | 1 year ago

The argument for Urban Legands

"Welcome to kits, myths and mysteries. Signer host Kit Chrome today I'm GonNa make an argument for urban legends. I was inspired to produce this podcast by book. I. Checked out from the Road Guy Metaphysical Library and Ashland it was written by authority who shall remain nameless the book contained some events that are no more than a figment of someone's imagination like the dog that ate a tiny cell phone and every time someone called his stomach would rain some were started by celebrities like Mickey Rooney claiming that he influence Walt Disney to call his cartoon Mouse Mickey Mouse. then. There's urban legend about Elvis Presley, giving a Harley Davidson motorcycle actor day. James. Dean sorry. That never happened before I reveal my favorite urban legend. Need to explain how I separate real and true from something invented by person with an ulterior motive. Now, occasionally I do find a witness or participant to an event that can't be explained away and they're willing to talk about it but that's the exception. Not The rule most people are reluctant to admit that they saw goes to her strange laughter when they were home alone for fear being ridiculed on an event is brought to my attention or I'm intrigued by A. Story on the Internet that's where my research begins. Now I'M GONNA. Start with one of my favorites, it's a photograph of a pterodactyl that's a flying prehistoric birds ended appeared on the Internet four five years ago and allegedly dates back to the American civil war in eighteen sixty, four court into the story behind the mystery image. A giant flying creature was shot down by soldiers around eighteen, sixty, four near the city of Vicksburg. The story says that the soldiers said the. Creature was like some kind of unknown burger monster in a surprising twist of the story a second photograph appeared on the Internet that showed a similar scene that would be of civil war soldier standing around the body of a terror act. This picture was created for television. It was a program called freaky links which aired on the Fox network from two thousand and two thousand and one fake image showed soldiers standing on the body or around a body of PTERODACTYL now. There are a couple versions to the image. There's a numerous forums on the Internet that have tackled the mystery behind the image, which allegedly shows creature which according to mainstream scientists has been extinct for sixty five million years. Now remember that extinct for sixty, five million years Nettie experts in photography claim that the real civil war photograph or at the civil war photograph was real and was copied by freaky links, and in fact, the original that freaky links copied was a real. Photo shopped or not photoshop picture of these soldiers standing around a PTERODACTYL. Okay. Here we go. I. I. Needed to debunk the scientific explanation that the PTERODACTYL have been extinct for sixty five million years. My research came up with just over one hundred sightings and maybe a dozen photographs in the United States I'll take data statement that they are still flying in the skies I found at least twenty sightings in Oregon alone. Okay. Now it was time to. Go after the image for this I stayed away from the Internet because facebook twitter and the like are for the most part faucets of falsehoods. I searched out an expert on newspapers that operated around the city of Vicksburg in eighteen, sixty four after getting passed around and referred to this expert of that expert. I finally found an ag dose and who was able to locate an archival expert that came up with the picture and an article to go. With it. Okay. So my point, the folklore about flying prehistoric bird could be called an urban legend. But my example I believe demonstrates that the most unbelievable may be based on fact, interestingly, most of the sidings I checked out the people I've talked to the sightings went back to nineteen sixty or the nineteen sixties and were as some of the sites were as recent as twenty nineteen and the people I talked to only a few had ever. Heard about an image on the Internet that looks like a Pterodactyl if you drop me an email at kits, myths and mysteries, at g, mail. Dot Com I'll send you a copy of the photo I got from my source just outside of Vicksburg. So that's kits it as myths plural and mysteries kids miss mysteries at gmail.com, and I'll send you a copy of the photo. All included as an attachment and it's from my source just outside of Vicksburg. Now. 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ep 75: National Velvet, you have to move this stuff out of here

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

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ep 75: National Velvet, you have to move this stuff out of here

"They look to so it's show. Podcast her we have to keep up with more light and Roy's pop culture references on Gilmore. Girls just trying to live our dreams. I know we can do it. I'm Kyla and I'm the older kid who lives in the stable and isn't quite as charmed by your plucky do-gooder nece Taylor. If you just believe I'm sure it can happen. I know it will God holding off a horse and you don't know anything about growing up kid. Oh Tae Kai. She calls him. Mike my true I know I was trying to think what I you should. I call you national Kylo. I would love that Adore. You're just too darn adorable. I might throw up charm. You almost over a period of time. You may warm my cold dead heart and I may just chop off all your hair and let you ride a horse. Trains wealth chapter could already I don't think I need anymore. Chapman Butts honestly. I don't either or good be jockeys finally good. 'cause all we need to do is cut off our hair and urine pugh Young girl Anyways I hope that voice wasn't too annoying but don't worry dear listeners. It's better listening to it. Just in the intro than for a whole film. I have a feeling that we're going to have different opinions on this movie. Okay and I'm ready for it. I look forward to our discussion in t minus thirteen seconds. So we're talking national velvet because Luke. So we're talking to Luke Reference which is always fun. We don't talk a lot of those because Luke is not full of the references. Yes the listeners. Can't see that Kylie had her fingers up Turkey like she's from Mid Really Donald Ray cliche way for the record. We know not all people from Italy. Speak like that but it worked well for this moment to get the growl So yes season. Four episode five. The fundamental things apply which is an episode. We've discussed some before because this is the episode where Luke in Law Rely Watch Casablanca together So you can go a little ways back to our discussion in season one. We had an episode. All about Louis. I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. One of our leaders season one episodes however we did not discuss all of the plot of this episode. This episode aired October Twenty First. Two thousand three in the plot summary is after reflecting on her lack of social life. While already off to a great start rory decides to try dating and finds it harder than it looks. Laura is still adjusting to an empty house and has luke over to try to fill the gap. Meanwhile Laurel is somewhat disturbed after discovering that the designer. She just hired to decorate the in used to work for emily. Dun Dun Dun which as always something like this is not really a big deal but both lor line. Emily make it a much bigger deal than it needs to be. Yeah yeah they both like to make a big stink out of nothing Especially when the other one makes a fuss Oh yes at the expense of the other person. Yeah for sure. But when lured by is meeting with this lovely designer to talk about what plans they wanna do for the in. They discuss their plans at Luke's diner and they have this conversation. What are you doing? I'm looking at Anglia wall now. Three Tamils are here for support. Well we just had a lot of books to go through. Look this is Natalie Zimmermann now lease can help us design the dragonfly. Nice to meet you. Did I tell you we're going to have horses? The property already has stable so why not. I love horses. I've always looked towards ever since I was a little girl and now I finally have a great excuse to buy a pony. Great National Velvet. Do you have to move this stuff because this is a diner people wanna sit so Taylor? Did you know who national velvet was? I'd heard of it and that's about it. I think I had seen the cover of Elizabeth Taylor on a horse. Yeah I'd never heard of it all right then. We're both at pretty much. Maybe not zero but for me but pretty close basically. Yeah should we tack National Velvet? Let's do et. National Velvet came out in nineteen forty five. It was based off of a nineteen thirty five novel by Enid bag mold. I hope I'm saying that correctly Bagnall hope you're not. It's funnier that way. I don't know which way is correct. There's also possibly a third option that I did not pronounce it stars Elizabeth Taylor Mickey Rooney and are you ready Yes I saw him. I saw glimpse of her and I was like there. She isn't now she's gone. Our Queen Angela. Lansbury murder she wrote has a very direct connection to this one. She plays the older sister of Elizabeth. Taylor oh wait. I thought Oh who think she was so because they didn't think about the fact into Lansbury. I've only seen her act in her later years. Now because he watched during gaslight who is she? I guess she was a maid. I believe hall. Well she made I know. Oh really I'd forgotten so I wish I would have realized that I thought she was the Old Lady in the shop. Which of course. She's not because this was a nine hundred forty four nineteen forty five. Yes five come on that. I love that so much that this is very terming. Thank you for that. It went on to win two Oscars for Angela Lansbury. But it did win. Best supporting actress for an revere who played the mother Mrs Brown for Editing. And apparently the editing in the final grand national racine is still considered a really great example of editing today and it was also nominated for best director. Color Cinematography in color art direction so. The academy was enthusiastic about this film. Ps I just looked at the older sister at totally into the Lens. I can't believe I thought it was an old not think that there. I love this so anyways. She's always been old in. Kyle is mind. Apparently there are actors. Though I am convinced have always looked old Fred astaire pretty sure he looked the same age nineteen thirty to nineteen sixty weird so sam not crazy rate. So what happens in this movie? What happens indeed? When I started watching this movie I thought the Horse was going to be named National Velvet. Just seemed like a friend would agree. Or maybe they would talk about how this pony has a very velvet for like ooh so soft. Yeah feels like Velvet. It sounds like especially a Horse. A racing horse name. They have some weird names true but it gets weirder. It does so then. Suddenly the horses named Pie now. Not just the Pie and that so I actually had to go back and read about how they came to that name. Because I didn't understand it but it's because a first owner called him a pirate because he was so crazy and then shorten it to the Pie. But it's always spelled P. I e. Yeah he did talk about the pirate. I just didn't even make the connection that that's how they jumped. They might have said it and I just missed it. I mean I missed it too. I had to read it later researching so so. The Pie is beloved by this young lady velvet played by Elizabeth Taylor and she loves horses. That is clear she sure does. She has two sisters and a brother in all of them. Have Weird little obsessions? Did you notice boy loves insects? She has a sister who loves birds and I guess Angela Lansbury thing she loves boys. I didn't grow the other. Sister loved birds. Has she kept having things about her. Parakeet Yes okay yeah. You're right in hand. Velvets she runs around outside watching. These horses owned by a neighbor and he said other ones come through but she loves the Pie Superior Horse and she talks like this so hopeful. Everything's wonderful and this is just the best horse in it. Just it needs to be Lote. It does unfortunately he really enjoys escaping. Because he can jump. Really High A. O. and jumps over the hedges and wrecks the town. Yeah not not a great citizen of the community than I nope the so the owner after incurring a lot of damage fees of the pies latest rampage escapade esque rampage work. Olive rampage. Sounds more sinister. Eight the pie running around just having a good time you know. He's not meant to be caged. He's a Free Spirit. He is he is so the owner decides. Hey I'm gonNA have a raffle and get rid of this horse and lucky for Velvet. She has met a new friend played by Mickey Rooney uh-huh and she calls him my short for Mike. Not Mickey don't get confused And he he's like a free he's wandering around he is maybe GonNa take advantage of their family. I Dunno know why steel for them maybe but then give it back and still something else. And the MOM reveals. He came to their family because his dad passed away and left in his notebook. The contact information for the mother Mrs Brown of which Mom and dad call each other Mr and Mrs Brown the whole and she's like wow that's weird dona why he has contact information in there for me really weird but it turns out he was actually. His Dad was her mother's swim instructor and her mom was one was the first woman to swim the English Channel at least in the context of this book. I don't think that's real in real life. Yeah that is kept a secret a little bit 'til later So this guy he decides to buy a bunch of raffle tickets for all the kids for the Pie. They call the number. It's not velvets number She's very sad. She goes holds sick in bed Distraught with grief because she had made an arrangement with God that she would get the horse which that was pretty cute so then. She thinks she's imagining it but she's not. The whole town is bringing the pie to her because a number that was called was a number of the had been bought which why not just only put numbers in that have been bought but differences management of the event criticism. There and her number gets called next. Sixty two yes in her. Dad's not crazy about it because if the horse is eating oats it should be paying for. Its keep in so he tries to make it a workhorse input. A straps a harness heart to it. Yeah with a harness and the PIE is not having it in destroys the cart because he's a free spirit his and velvet knows it. Her Mom knows it which he I think that Mr Brown is this hard headed. And I'm in control. Listen to me and then you realize not their first moment together as a whole family around the dinner table and my guest. He feeds the dog and surrounds. Like you come through the dog. We don't freedom purple food or he'll become a bigger and then slowly see. Every one of the other family members sneakily the dog until finally the dad does as well yeah and he gets caught. Yeah so you quickly see that he is. He can have his mind change particularly by Mrs Brown. Their relationship reminds me a little bit of the couple in my big fat Greek wedding which I believe is a movie. You don't love crap and I'm not talking about yes. The wife is the neck and she can turn the head any way it wants. Yeah Mrs Brown is very influential on Mr Brown. She deals with his temper. Cool and calm and collected and steers them in the right direction. But I would say she does not try to be cutting or secretive about at. She's very similar. She just she straight up says what she thinks. She knows. He'll calm himself down. This horse the Pie can jump over. Tall buildings in a single bound and released. Tolkien's at least those and my you get you kind of start figuring out that he knows a little bit about horses and horse racing in particular and velvet gets out of him info about the grand national and the fact that the the height of the head. The Pie jumps over frequently is the same height as the biggest jump in trace So velvets like all right. Let's enter and she does and there's a little bit of trouble with getting a jockey. Mike goes to town and brings money in these guys get drunk and I don't fully understood what I did not fully understand what happened there. I think I wanted him to bet on a horse with his money. A different horse That's what I thought. But it was hard to understand. Yes because he he learned back with them all the money yet because then he says no They trust mayor but then he goes back gets velvet. They go back to the big city for the race. They find a jockey. But the jockey doesn't believe in the pie and Elizabeth Taylor's like no you'll You've lost the race already. Hell don't believe in him. Yes and then my has to come to terms with the fact that he used to be a jockey he reveals to velvet and that there was an accident on the track that started with him and did someone dire at someone getting injured. I can't remember both someone diode someone else. Scott entered. Okay that's why I remembered both options and he overcomes his fear rides the pie the night before the big race and then velvet says. I'm GonNa race this horse and my being a knowledgeable person. He says you should not do this. You will die but that little girls plucky and no one's GonNa tell her. Optimism can't conquer everything so they cut off her hair. She pretends to be a boy. She rides the pony across. The finish. Line wins the big race but falls off her horse right after crossing the finish line. The doctor is examining her discover. She's a girl. It's considered a four fifth. But it's okay. She didn't need the money she just wanted the glory of winning but no she wanted the glory of winning for the Pi. It's not about one of the pied know that he could do it. It's true and then at the end of the day because the source fully understands everything that's happening about the significance of this race and I'm sure the horse has had aspirations for wanting to win this race. It's whole life. She comes home and of course. There's a media circus that a girl jockey won this race and there are all these media opportunities that would bring their family tons of money but she says now because the pie would not enjoy it and the father is very sad and Mrs Brown says well I suppose it just begs. The question is a better to do the right thing for the wrong reasons of the wrong thing for the right reasons In my says it's time to go. I'm off to the next adventure. Ride off into the sunset but poor velvet is so sad and she chases after him on the Pied. Tell him the truth about why he came to their family. The Oh right National Velvet. Ten Ten Taylor. I would not call it a ten out of ten. Whoever according to rotten tomatoes it is the highest rated sports movie of all time within one hundred percent. So I- apparently am not in the majority on this one. Is there another movie? We've discussed that you at all thought about while we were watching. I did not think about this until I came to take down a few notes that I saw a little note that you had made. Yes for the beautiful listeners. At home something you don't know you know. Is that Keilan? I have a nice google drive folder for Oliver episodes and we each have our own notes. Dock and then we have a document with the outline and I made a mistake. It was crazy. I started writing the yearly. I'm not at all. I mean. National Velvet Outline. That's the name of our notes. Stock this timer. Yeah Boy Oh boy about twenty minutes in I was like oh no. We're watching the year. Lean again. That's another movie about a plucky kid with an unconventional pet. And I I really thought either velvet or the Pie was going to be a goner by the end of this movie. I resc- myself why I was bracing myself for Elizabeth Taylor to have to shoot this horse in that movie because it was foaming at the mouth with something corona virus. I don't know yeah I was expecting this to be or I was expecting her to fall off the horse and get thrown from Gone With the wind style and for her to just be local velvet and never be national velvet. I've to say I was pleasantly surprised. The end of this movie gave me a somewhat better opinion of it than the First Hour. So did okay and outside of our movies so it's too long. It's too long of a movie. You did not need Rooney going to get drunk in the city. I can't even tell you what that scene added to anything and several other things. It needed to be twenty to thirty minutes shorter but the ending was nice ears. She she didn't die. I liked that I was really expecting her to die. I was expecting yet the horse to to put down or that too but they both lived. Neither of them died What a crazy time so it was much better than the yearling in the long run. However I ask that we please not watch any more nineteen forties movies about children in their pets for this. Podcast has their voices are are strain. cash purrs not as bad as that little boy. But oh no. It's a lot still you know I. It does not bother me. I don't know if it's like I found her charming. She wanted me over by the end but it was a long journey fair gap. What did you think I mean? I enjoyed the movie. It would enjoy happy for you. And I just feel like we've gone through some not super recently purchased. That are just so annoying to meet 'em to watch and this one was really slake those those. Nice House entertaining. I wasn't checking my watch. Not that I wear a watch but I wasn't checking the clock on my phone. This is better movie than Mommy. Dearest. I'll give you that. Yes yes so stuff like that and it just wasn't traumatizing. You know being abused. No one dies. Because then I just watched movie on Net flicks and his justice oppressing and unnecessarily to where it's like that didn't make sense name names. What was the movie? It was all the beautiful places. I don't know that one. With Justice Smith who is not will smith son known but he was in the pokemon movie. But that's not why we care. He was in the show that we watched because it was struck by Baas Lerman. Oh the get down get down which I love. And he was in paper towns which was adorable okay. I didn't see that one very ended. Had Elle fanning in it? So it just? It just didn't work for me. I wasn't even didn't feel sad about spoiler alert. Someone dies and because it just didn't make sense. I was like that now. They're not so anyways all that to say national velvet was not depressing and it was just nice and stuff happened and someone got to follow her dreams. You know. In which case in real life she would have died. Though this race was intense people ha- jockeys were getting thrown off their horses. This girl had literally never practiced this course and had never raced to the source before. No no Mickey Rooney should have saved her and done something to prevent her from getting on that. Course 'cause she would have died in real life. Yeah I thought that Mickey was going that my was going to ride her and granted. It was about to tell her all right the pie tomorrow but then she walked in and she was already wearing the jockey outfit. Yeah so that would've worked too. Because it was still him conquering his fear. Yeah and it would've been nice full circle for him and then he wouldn't have had to be a vagabond again. Could have been a Jackie again now. Speaking of other movies we've watched recently that we didn't like I think I also came into this movie predisposed not to like it. Why because the movie started in the first name that came on the screen was Mickey Rooney? And I had just watched Mickey Rooney movie and it was like my first Real Mickey Rooney movie. He's a very terribly offensive stereotype of Japanese character in breakfast at Tiffany's huges character. Exactly all it's just like even if for some reason you don't believe it's offensive which it is but if for some reason you believe that you can't even defend it as a good performance. It's just like a really weird character so my that was my one experience with Mickey Rooney. And then my second experience was a recent movie. I watched on Turner. Classic Movies called. Strike up the band and in the middle of this movie. I love musicals. It has judy Garland in it. It on paper. I should love this movie. He is so much in that movie in the middle of it. I was like I think everyone who hates musicals thinks all musicals are like this in which case I would hate musicals to. He is just over the top like a cartoon character of the whole time. What does he has been called? Strike up the band directed by busby Berkeley. Who's a classic Musicals Guy on paper? This should be great. It's not great. He is not that way in national velvet. But going into this movie I was like Oh no I'm going to have to watch the sky again and this level girl or the horse is GonNa die and this is gonna be the yearling two point. Oh even though. The yearling came out a year later. I just can't do this so as pleasantly surprised by the end. Okay that's fair. Nobody Died Mickey. Rooney showed character development without being hitting the drums with his arms and a wide circle. It was a lot well Mickey Rooney. I've got some fun facts about that guy before we move onto fun facts will. This is related. Can I ask? How old did you think he was in when you were watching? This movie had that I don't know he looked like maybe eighteen. Yeah I thought he was like fourteen so it was real weird for me that he was showing velvet the ropes and then I looked it up after the movie and he was twenty five. Oh Wow waving this guy. Rooney apparently five to though I yes all he was five two make you Rooney. Did you know he was married? At one. Point. Out of his eight marriage is one of them at the Taylor. Their one of them was a gardener. Who the barefoot. Contessa WW TB FC. Gilmore Girls Season Senate contest. Do really well couldn't sleep and initially I was at a loss I mean. How would I pass the time until my one and only offspring the fruit of my loins early loin fruit that she is strangled out of bed to grace me with their presence? But then I asked myself. B W TBS CD and it came to me in a flash. I'm GONNA make waffles. What would the barefoot Contessa do exactly fair toward shut up? Fruit and AVA Gardner one of her other marriages was to artie. Shaw who we talked about one. That was like one of our. Og's yeah so just kind of interesting connections but make you Rooney. I just I was just fascinated. This isn't necessarily doesn't necessary to our discussion but just guy. He was married. Eight Times six of the marriages end in divorce. His first wife Ava Gardner. He was married to four year. Kashid it and then like a year or so later he was married to second wife another short marriage and then another one after another one. They're all very close together in nineteen fifty eight. He was married to Barbara Thompson and she was murdered by her secret lover so lakes that were divorced but she was already cheating on him so wouldn't have lasted. He then married her best friend and that marriage lasted one hundred days. And it's like a rebound set. Some people do rebound girlfriend or boyfriend. Heated rebound marriage cool. Yeah and then. His last wife Jan Chamberlin. That marriage lasted thirty. Four years which is longer than all of his seven previous marriages combined and it ended when he died in two thousand fourteen but they had already separated in twenty twelve. So still. That's a long time. That's what thirty two years of not separated. Yeah I guess when it works out when you know you know when you're mature enough maybe to ready the handle it so yeah interesting guy. But did you know that Mickey Rooney? This was not his only horse movie. No in nineteen seventy nine. He was in the Black Stallion and he old guy on an island are something like that and he helped kid who had his horse black stallion. He helped train the horse and taught him how to be a Jackie full circle and that horse was named the black. Because it can't just be pie and black which is also a weird name. But it's the black from now on. I'd like you to call me the Taylor. I will do that as long as you. Call me the KYLA. Alright the KYLA. So just Mickey Rooney. I went down a little rabbit hole with him. Well I'll tell you he's better in national velvet than he wasn't breakfast at Tiffany's or in strike up the band that I'm glad he improved for you. some holiday dot today. You'll be any place my feet taping that souls over there going my father's butcher that's nice. I have two brother chumming. Got The whole world by Paul left well before we get to committed to are the names though the Kyla. Can I tell you the name of the real the Pie? Yeah wait let me guess the cake sure. Why not any other guesses no all right well in real life? This horse's name was King Charles. Pretty Regal and I think there's something about the and also king they both have elevated sense of like Charles you can just call this chucker some guy whatever but the pie King Charles. You've gotta take a source seriously. Intenda another fun fact about King Charles. Guess who he was given to after filming of. This movie was over Angela Lansbury close but no cigar. Elizabeth Taylor got to keep this wars and it was given to her after filming on her thirteenth birthday. Wow that's very nice. Even Lauren Graham Shit. Even she had the sneak out. Gilmore Jacket at the end of filming season seven. But here. Also Taylor that a whole horace I guess is a Queen Right King Charles and Queen Elizabeth. You might say well now today. You're like Oh wow Elizabeth Taylor got a free pony good for her but at the time she was not such a big deal and this was really her breakout role. She'd had a few small roles before but she was really the standout. She got a of great reviews for her performance. In this movie one reviewer said that she was faded for a great name in pictures when they saw her in this land. Another said stardom as inevitable for her. So she just had a great reception in this role and this is extra sweet because she really fought for this role which sounds a little silly. Since she was so young she was eleven years old when she got this role but she said originally. They thought that she was too short. She was too small. They didn't think that she would be able to pass for a young girl that would be able to pass for a jockey on. Moore's they were like just too small. This wouldn't work and so she decided she was going to grow up so she could get this role so for three months she ate huge quote unquote farm breakfasts every morning. It was a diet high in protein and CARBS. She did in exercise regimen that included swimming horseback riding in hanging from Bard stretch her spine. Oh and she's been riding horses since she was three so this was probably second nature so after she did this. She came and told the studio what she'd done and she had grown three inches and they were like all right. You get the rule so she really fought for this role. Even at a young age she knew what she wanted and later in her life. She said I think velvet is the most exciting film I've ever done at the end to be given the horse on my thirteenth birthday while it was one of the moments of my life and she did a lot of her own writing in the movie. She said in her autobiography that she was the only person who could ride. King Charles. Wow okay she felt connection. Yeah makes me wonder if they really had her out on the track at the end. The movie has that was seemed super dangerous. So maybe that wasn't King Charles. They had out on the track at the end. If that's the case while it's really special I liked your so. She had a real special connection with her pony which is pretty cute. Almost crazy one off. For what a wonderful idea you have to cut my hair. Mikhail's Astra Heights and the description of the kids papers oversee the grand national is no came a little girl girl. If you cut my hair stupid scenario neck exactly broke tyler. Take Tito be angry. You know the pie would veggies hot for me. Forty horses and riders. Ready tramp over. I'm not you're right though that I wanted to do it. But he'll be an enchanted horse with invisible wings to take over every jumpy ride home wall. Should we talk about how this reference fits into the world again? We'll girls I should say. So let's Giddy on up over there and talked about it so we'll side note though you think maybe Luke meant to call the decorator national velvet because her voice is pretty extra. She is very perky. This is to be true. There's this room I don to do in here for this. I will say injury watching this episode because I've watched it multiple times. Not even talking about this with you beforehand. She did stand out to me as a little extra this address or maybe she was told to play it that way. I don't know yet that could be but she has felt. I'm Kinda surprised Laurel. I didn't get bogged by her. 'cause it seems like she would have been an easy target to mock well to be fair. Anyone can be an easy target for Laura lied mock. That's true but I guess she just liked her skills than Wanda work with her But anyways National Velvet Velvet loved. Her horse loved horses. An insane amount so laura licensing. I've always wanted pony if it's Do you think that's true? Are there other instances in which law rely says? She's always wanted a pony. I don't she's always talked about having horses at their in when she could open one but I don't remember her talking about horses like as a little girl. I wanted to horse because her parents were rich. She could've asked for a pony. May Does Rag the question why Richard. Emily didn't get her a pony or take her to the stables at the country club Wa. Yeah No horseback riding lessons. And maybe I'm just reading into this too much because of how I watched the movie. But don't you think in Luke's tone of voice here? He's kind of condescending to lure allies enthusiasm okay national velvet. I get it. You're really excited about this pony but the rest of us live in a real world huddle Mickey Rooney in that. Well Yeah I would say a little over her optimism. Yes ooh I didn't catch that. She does win him over in the end though as she always does they love to fight but law. Rely almost always wins. The woman is the naked. She can turn the head anyway. She wants Sir Kyla so Taylor. That's her show. That's our show we won. We don't have the money to pros at national. Let's follow the girls exhaustion. This podcast should be known as the grand. So it's a show. Yes the national podcast or the so. It's a show the celtics shell although facebook. They dropped the so weird. So where can are cool. Peeps find us. You can find us on twitter at Sosa show. You can find us on the Tumbler DOT COM. Not Show to show. You can let us know your thoughts by send us an email to show at Jima Dot Com. You can leave us a review anywhere. You listen to podcasts. We love those reviews. Hint Wink Wink. Uh-huh end we don't mean to hype ourselves too much but we do. WanNa tease that. We have a special guest in our next episode de might just want to keep coming back for. Come check it out. We'll be mixing it up a little. Here's a teaser. For next up Luke. Keys Kirk what are you doing? I need your help. I'm filling the coffee here behind me. What am I looking Arthur? He's still there who Lulu is loose. Still there. You mean your date Yes Lulu twelve. What I mean. Catch UP ANTI-MISSILE BS. She's still there. Sure sure enough getting behind my counter. I don't know what to do. What are you talking about? I just looked over there and everything seemed fine. Exactly everything seemed funny. So doesn't it seem weird to you now really. Yes a little bit. So why question? Go back over there. I can't I don't understand what's happening. I mean she was looking at me directly at me at first. I thought I had something on my lip. Product brushed and nothing. She was just looking at me mouth. That's good and I prepared several small talk subjects to the evening. And I haven't used one of them Jamaican too much of this. This is not how it's supposed go. I'm supposed to take her out. We're supposed to exhaust my prepared subjects immediately in the minute. I get up and go to the bathroom. She is supposed to sneak and we hear humiliated. Now I've been to the bathroom three times and I have to tell you I did not have to go in. Every time I came back to the table she was there and she was smiling. And did you see her touch the hell that means she likes you so you take that back hurt. I am not going to fight with you over you not believing that this girl likes you because to be honest with you. I'm a little fuzzy on the line myself but bottom line is she does. She does gas. She's laughing and smiling. And buckle up cowboy because I think he might actually touch you again in fact. There's a frightening chance she might so my advice to you is to call back over there and continue doing what you've been doing. I was doing my Jon. Cryer from pretty in pink compression duckie yes duckie. Were you near the end of the movie? Just getting into the tribal tenderness plenty of analysts. Come on back over there. You think she likes me. I think she likes you. Think she likes me.

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ep 96: Im your Ava Gardner (Frank Sinatra)

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ep 96: Im your Ava Gardner (Frank Sinatra)

"The fly with me to new york new york and fly me to the moon. Because where ben for another episode of so. It's a show a podcast with a crush on you. As the summer wind is blowing in. And we are catching up with rory. Immortalized pop culture. References gilmore girls. You might say there too marvelous. For words i am taylor and i'm kyla admiring the way you really just crooned out that intro. Would you say. I did it my way absolutely or franks way. It's possible i've stolen all of these ideas you might say i've got him under my skin. Wwf d. load. Frankie do what would frankie do is an excellent question and probably whatever the answer is. There's a fifty fifty chance. You should not do it. Yeah yeah definitely shouldn't always follow but maybe wwf s. What would frankie sing. And yes that could work. Yes we have talked about before. I'm going to come back to my my age old piece of wisdom. Someone told me once that. I like to repeat like a broken record on this show. Don't meet your heroes. You might be disappointed redesign appointed this week. Well i came back around by the end of it but when you learn about somebody that you admire a lot. You're always bound to be disappointed because you find out they're human and while that does not stop. There are things after all this research that i'm like yeah. I still wish that hadn't happened. Guess what the guy's a legend am glad. We get to dig into it today. Do you think that. Laura lie and rory with all of their pop. Culture loves that. They think they've dug into them. Except for rory. When she doesn't get to down read she was surprisingly. She's apprised with what she found. She was happy about it. So matt do you think they got into these people's backgrounds one episode where law relies reading a tell all book and i believe it's about motley. Crue is not ringing a bell at all. Yeah boy comes in. She's on the couch reading and she's like it's so terrible i can't look away. Yeah i do remember that. So motley crue. Donna reed got gossip. Those are the two deep dives. The gilmore girls to make sense bringing is not in your head. You know you gotta read this motley crue book. I you get to the point. Where ozzy osbourne snorts. Arro- vance anything. It can get any grocer and insurance age. And oh hello yes can. It's excellent but this this episode gilmore girls episode five will three stars and we're about to dive into the stars of this episode. What happens in this at the. I'm beanie plot. Summary of this episode gilmore girls five zero three as you said written in the stars first aired october fifth. Two four lucan laura. Li- enjoy their first official date. Where luke tells her. he's all in for their relationship. Great moment i'm in their new relationship. Is the basis for the next town hall. Meeting checks out. Yup paris has awake for the passing of her boyfriend. Rory needs a new guy. Earn its logo and we don't have to talk about him. We get to talk about all this. We could of lucan morlai yes. They love written in the stars. Let's so they finish their romantic evening and save this conversation backing in luke's apartment. Your wallet can't take it back now. You've exposed yourself. You've pining for me. Have not been pining gardner. God help me. So did you get this reference. When i heard it. Did you know who ava gardner was. I had heard of her. I knew she was a like old hollywood actress and that is exactly all i knew of her yet. I don't know that i knew what she did. Or if i even recognize the name. But i mean from contacts just i mean but she could have been a character in a book. Yeah i didn't know. And maybe i knew who. She was at least a little bit because remember last season when we almost talked about ava gardner. Oh my goodness. I have to tell the story when we to talk about ava gardner and rosalind russell going window shopping together on fifth avenue. And we did all this digging to try and find what movie that was and then we missed that at the end of the episode. Both confirmed that was not a real movie. Look at all these potty people with their bags rubbing our faces at ross. Russell and ava gardner thinking what movie did you see them. When i don't know that i did. I just picked tooled movie actress names. I've ever seen anyone when you shopping to move ever for this whole outing was a house of sand built on a foundation strong. I mean it sounded like one of their normal references in. We tried so hard to find the movie. I mean so hard like people at least fifteen minutes of gme. I would say a solid fifteen. Yeah to no avail so maybe one day. We'll talk about rosalind russell. But today we are just talking about ava gardner and we actually had to do little googling to even know what to research This time because laura icing. She's loops gardner. But whose. Ava gardner was ava gardner and found out is frank. Sinatra and taylor has a bit of a crush frank sinatra one of her many black and white kylo. vf's gene. kelly. Cary grant frank sinatra. All the men. I love are dead. They're all gone and it's another juicy tidbits come out so you know all all the men i love are dead and frank sinatra is one of them but i actually as much as i enjoy him as an actor and singer actually didn't know that much about him as a person in his personal life. Obviously i knew he was very talented and from some of the movies i'd seen in the songs i listen to. I had an idea of some of the events in his life but not. I really didn't know that much about him as a person who came. Yeah i definitely didn't know much about frank sinatra still. Don't you're going to tell me more. Did not know anything about ava gardner but one thing i do. Remember about frank. Sinatra is several years ago when my nanna was still alive she and i were talking and we're talking about music and i asked her like well. What kind of flick. What music do you listen to when you were younger. And she said frank sinatra like. That's so weird to that. You listen to that when you were my age. And she said yeah and my dad hated it. He just hated that music. And it's so funny to think about an old person not liking frank sinatra music because all the older people in my life love frank sinatra and you know like think his music to me is so classy but to dad. It was not. I don't know what he was listening to. What was preferring sinatra. I don't know well. That is one thing. I learned in the documentary. I watched to we. We will talk more about it but basically he started as a heart throb for teen girls much like a justin bieber or a harry styles or whoever else the kids are into these days and eventually after some career changes in life events the switch flipped. He kinda made a comeback and now all of a sudden like women were so in love with him but like men wanted to be hit was the slogan that was making choices of screaming so much. I wanted her out. Let you precipitating a riot. Nightrider poor house and she was like a tigress for my call. Some of the gods pulling out the carrier and she wouldn't go. I mean there's nothing that you can do. When have people standing up extremism do say i need. This is the kind of scary that cavendish should be mentioned. also sinatra is referenced a number of times throughout gilmore girls many of them just in passing but he is definitely a big pop culture figure in the gilmore. Girls are definitely aware of him over there. We have jazz. Jazz vocals classical country rockabilly sinatra. You should walk down the aisle to frank sinatra with a huge bouquet of something. That smells really good. I'm trying to find that settled plan mccain not too cliche sounding traditional towns with field should these standards while the sinatra melies bait and maybe skipping by the dan oliver's boat we went to see an act that everyone was raving about we go incidentally close. The door turned out to be playing musical drinking glasses. You know what the have filled cups that give off different tones. He played mozart. And i swear i could hear mozart banging on his coffin out of politeness we stayed and they're winning our of our lives next night. Sign in front of theater said the entertainment for the night was a guy singing. The songs of sinatra we verified with the guy at the door. The songs of frank sinatra right. Not tina not frank junior not bill sinatra but old blue eyes says. It's like frank come to life. We go in serb down. They closed the door then. They announce that the guy singing sinatra is sick and the glass playing guys filling in on behalf of myself and my second wife. Emily i would like to thank you all for coming here to help us celebrate. You are good friends and we are very very lucky now. In planning our traditional i dance. I gave a lot of thought to the song that would represent the next phase in our marriage the best phase in our marriage. I believe i went over all the greats bennett sinatra chuck berry and a story popped into my head. Thank you to join the french legion. Yes for sinatra. Sing about the spanish foreign legion serena. You are wife number four now sometimes. It's the medicine very old. That's position to be in because you'll probably be too exhausted to try and find wife number five and maybe you can wait him out. Like barbara sinatra. She just waited him out so like we said before. Taylor focused on her behalf frank sinatra and. I took on ava gardner. So i watched. I watched gardner. Life is bigger than the movies is a fifty minute documentary on a gardener on amazon prime available for you have amazon prime for free. And it's it's interesting because you know a documentary about her life but it's amazing. How much of. The documentary centered around her and frank sinatra so she like she was hired by mgm just for her beauty. She couldn't act. Did like a talked about her screen test and like she moved a vase from like here to here and like walked and they weren't too interested she was just in the background for a bunch of Movies but then after few years they kept her on just because she was so beautiful. Which i don't know yes. She liked played. The receptionist sinoe just like would answer the phone in the background and then The particularly didn't like her as an actress because of her southern accent and so she never got a speaking role because in her a screen test. Her southern accent came through really thick. And she's just nervous and so she never got speak because of that but while she was onset which was at. Gm mickey rooney who we've talked about before he was in that movie that we just can't shake a national. How does that come. I mean how was that in ronca mars i. I don't understand but he saw her and again. Apparently everyone hollywood only uses. There is and he started courting her she. She wasn't super interested but he persisted. They dated and after twenty seven marriage proposals. She said yes. So you know just much like with how things turn out with christopher and lured by if it if it took them twenty years to get her to say yes then probably now. She wants to twenty seven. Where people's frankly. For what. I know of mickey rooney. He would've lost interest before twenty years. I mean you. at least gotta give. Christopher credit keeps his interest for twenty years. Mickey rooney did not seem to be the type who would know and mickey rooney. I know i mentioned this when we talked about him. Ava gardner was actually first wife. They were married for about sixteen months and he went on to mary. One two three four five six seven other women and he didn't divorce his last wife though so but also i don't know if it's because she died i just feel like maybe that's what happened. I have written down just married. Nineteen seventy eight. Which makes me think he died before the marriage ended. Yeah well he died in two thousand fourteen. Oh wow that was really recent compared to a lot of the other people. We're going to talk about today. She might still be alive. Who his last wife. Oh wow so. I think maybe they were for you know. How long is that thirty thirty six years. Wow we well you know. We will talk more about that phenomenon. I'll tell you that marriages sticking yeah apparently so anyways so she was married to mickey rooney and again that lasted about six months. No big shocker. There she would have met frank sinatra while they were married. Pretty sure you know facts are a little. I read a story that they met on the studio lot in the commissary while they were eating lunch and frank at something like well. You're prettier than the last time i saw ya. If i'd met you i i would married you. Oh my gosh well yacht is. He had good instincts then chanson self. But it's howard hughes he's the howard hughes's it odd figure for me. I don't fully understand but he was a a dude with a lot of money and spent money on making films airplanes. I don't know he just had a bunch of money. Do you know much about. I have seen the aviator with leonardo dicaprio which even gardener. I think she's played by. Kate beckons sale in that movie. She is a figure in his life and they don't they are totally romantically involved. But they're very close. It is easy controversial opinion. I think all martin scorsese movies are too long. But there's a lot of interesting ideas in there and of course a phenomenal performance firm. Leonardo dicaprio So yeah he have a lot of money and he kinda got whatever you want and slept with had slept with all the big names sola female big names and he wanted ada. He hid microphones in her house. And one time. He thought he heard mickey coming. Come back to her house after they were divorced and he rushed in and hit her and ava through a brass bell at him and knocked him out. Thing is pretty impressive so they never got married but he was definitely into her and then her career started getting better so she got some movie roles she took acting classes and then she met artie. Shaw and she actually asked him out artie. Shaw we know from well wasn't the only one who liked him. That was back in season. Wonder tune whatever very first episodes like in our first ten episodes. Don't quote me on it. Because i could be wrong but i know it's the first season. Yeah rela harp player who reference. Oh yeah season one. So he was a musician. Big band leader played the clarinet and also use of the clarinet. Don't forget we asked the king. And she liked him. She asked him out and he was like well. Heck yes i'll go out with you gorgeous. Then if the is and they were married for one year that was. Let's see oh shoot. I don't have his wife. You have as wise listed out. Oh i do have his wives. We'll sit out because in reading about these people. I started getting mixed up involved with who so i had to ride out. Ava gardner was the first mickey. Rooney's eight wives in. He was the first of her husband's artie. Shaw she was the fifth of his eight wives in he was the second of her husband's also notably. He was married to lana turner. Who was wife number three of already show and she was also romantically linked with frank sinatra. And there were rumors that mickey rooney got lana turner pregnant when she was seventeen. Oh my goodness so basically. it's a big web. I was just trying to put this all together in my mind last night in explaining this to my mom and my sister and they were like wait. What like like they could not keep it straight and i couldn't keep it street. Yeah that's nice little cesspool while we know secrets. Yeah that would be a being with someone who was with someone yeah anyways. Sharing like multiple husbands are love interests with people. That's odd anyway. Yeah we may also talk about the rat. Pack later in the list of people that they were all involved with within each other Pack group. I mean i guess i know how they all met. Yeah so then. Even frankie. So let's get a frankie up to this point. Okay while i watch the twenty fifteen documentary sinatra all or nothing at all. It is a two part series on net flicks that. It's not a netflix series. But it is available to watch netflix. At this time. It's been a my watch lists for quite awhile actually. And it's two two hour episodes. So i watched four hour documentary about frank sinatra and could have watched another four hours. I think he is a fascinating person. And i also just want like a four hour documentary where you just like breakdown. His songwriting process and like how he decided on arrangements. I just find him. People who are musical amaze me. Because i can't understand you write us on that so. He decided at a pretty young age that he wanted to be a singer. He dropped out of high school to be a singer. His dad did not care for this. They were on bad terms for a while. Because of this but He went out to new york. City played with a lot of bands. Clearly i'm very much doing the summary here. There are a lot more details and want to learn about them. I recommend the documentary But he got his start there. In of course people recognized. He had a phenomenal voice and he continued to work it with voice lessons. He was involved in some really big bands. Tommy dorsey band was a really big one. At the time and originally people came to see tommy dorsey but then they started coming to see frank sinatra. He also got his voice on the radio a lot. He started singing and traveling with different groups and he also hear his song playing on the radio and then he jumped out of his car inserted dancing with friends. I can that sounds like something he would do without. Just something you read about those from glitter. Don't want that for my memory. How While we i for wow. It's been too long since i've watched glitter again and yet not enough. Time has passed anyway. He also was married. Pretty young to a teenage sweetheart named nancy barbados. They had three kids together. Nancy frank junior tina can tell they thought long and hard about what to name their children basically. He kinda wants he was discovered. I mean he was a hit. He audiences loved him like said he became a sensation. There were you know. Fan clubs for him. My favorite fan club name was the swu trust. It was like young women who loved him and they showed footage and pictures from some of these early concerts in like the forties and it reminded me of the beatles at shea stadium. You was just crazy and mostly women just going bananas for this guy in the crowd and then he started transitioning into movies because he was you know he's a big draw already so let's put him in movies and initially didn't do so well but then they started putting him in with musicals in irc putting him in musicals with people like gene kelly in movies like on the town. Take me out to the ball game. I mean the two of them are dynamite together. I highly recommend gene. Kelly frank sinatra movies. They are have great chemistry and of course. Jean is the true tap dancer of the but frank holds his own so they kind of trade off. Gene holds his own compared to the singing of frank sinatra's and when he's at the height of his fame as you may have guessed women are throwing themselves at him and it is no secret to say that he was not true to his wife. Nancy nand one of the women. In fact the woman who really stuck in this time was a gardener so we talked about how they met in professional setting on the lot before but then they met again a couple of years later at a party and they ended up leaving this party together. They were both drunk and they had guns. And they basically just shot up the small town in california streetlights. They shot up windows. Thinks that probably. Frank knew somebody to pay off so that this didn't get out to the press and didn't have any charges. So what a first date while i think facts are a little bit different so or you know it's like i found some things that were slightly. Oh yeah thousand. F my documentary to now in the documentary. One thing they talk about is what was they called it. Franken avis first date but also in reading other articles. It looks like maybe this was just a date that people where people saw them and it really started getting out there having an affair. The musso and frank grill and the waiter waited on them. He said that he saw avis green. Eyes start to soften an interlock with frankie's blue eyes. And i mean first asia did not. She was not impressed with frank sinatra. He was very into himself and his love noxious and it took awhile for for her to go out with him but on that date so funny the lady who was one of the people who was being interviewed on the documentary knew a lot about eva. And i even know what they had for dinner. They had american lobster linguini. So the musso and frank grill is a restaurant in hollywood. It's still open to this day. So wanted you could go and order american lobster which she's french so you could order lobster and linguini ra. So yeah. I don't know if that was our first date or the first public date. Yeah that might be their first public date because my understanding was that they just happened to bump into each other in this party and then they hit it off their decided to head out and i guess shoot up the poor town of indio california. Oh my god and then it became a more or less after awhile. Perhaps with that lobster date lobster. England greenie date. It became an open secret that he was having a longstanding affair with a gardner in his wife. Nancy refused to divorce him for a while eventually. She granted him a divorce in within a few days. He and ava gardner were married and because of their affair. And i don't know if the shooting the town thing to do with it but because of the fair like a lot of midwestern states and religious groups were boycotting abbas movies and i don't know if they're boycotting frankie's music but well i can tell you this was probably the lowest point of his career so his mgm contract around this time was cancelled. His music was not selling well in of course he had a bad public reputation because people saw him his wife like this. And this is my heart a little bit in the documentary but they. Nancy said that she just thought he would always come back. She just really thought that you know. Maybe he'd go off with eva for awhile but she really thought he'd come back and of course they maintained a relationship because of their kids and i think As far as i can tell they maintained you know a fairly positive divorced relationship and she never remarried. And i mean. How many years were they married. They were married from nineteen thirty nine to nineteen fifty one. I mean longtime yeah so about twelve years had three kids and they were married before he got famous too so They really you know saw each other through a lot of his early career in. She knew him before. I knew him. Yeah yeah that's done jack but even help spring frankie's career back so she was helpful in that regard to him. She made a deal with harry cohn the producer of hitter attorney. She said i will do a movie for you because her career is going up and up and she was the breadwinner yep for them and and so she told harry cohn or she told harry. Cohn's wife to tell harry that she would make a movie for free with him. If he would put frank sinatra in from here to turn the and guess what frank won best supporting actor an oscar for his role. So yeah it was funny you say that because in the documentary they talk about it in there so many stories about how he may or may not have gotten that role and of course official story is he had a great screen test. But there's also stories that the mob pressure the studio into him getting the I think avis story is much more likely than the mob fresher because even like a said later. I know they're all these stories about the mob helping him but I was there and they were not helping them. I wish they would have helped him because his career was going down so yeah. I don't think the mob stories are true. Yeah well and i think it's worth noting even though she was the breadwinner health dot his career. They did not have an entirely functional relationship I read in several places and they talked about this in the documentary about how they were so alike. They both had tempers. They like to fight and get an argument. They were both very dramatic in these arguments and This kind of made me laugh. At one point avis said. The trouble was franken. I were too much alike. My sister said i was franken drag and so i think basically the very similar personalities and they both like to fight and of course there were also occur. This was the career. Low point for frank sinatra. He was also threatening suicide regularly which identified as christ for help. He did have several suicide attempts and was in the hospital. They were both having affairs with other people cheese a publicly fighting in front of their friends. Their fights were legendary apparently There's just like so much. Jealousy between them and i don't know i feel like it. That seems to be the case for a lot of hollywood. Couple let me not that. We really know what happens. You know in a in a marriage but that would be hard like competing with each other being in the same industry and making more money making less money. Not getting roles. I had so much pressure. They were also both involved with a lot of substance abuse. And i know that a lot of these fights were drunken and so they tended to get violent and loud and they were not. They were not done with the intent to work through problems. Yeah so i mean and we'll we'll get into this more. I mean they break up. They're not each other's game and no looking at their marriage. It seems like well data and yet later in life they Are still thinking about each other. Yeah they were married about six years from nineteen fifty one to nineteen fifty seven and of course that is not. The last for frank sinatra. Ava gardner does not remarry. But he does remarry mia farrow. Who is much younger than him. In the sixties. This is the just to keep it straight. This is the first of her two marriages and that does not include her. Long relationship with woody allen they never officially married and this okay once again. We're gonna talk about. Don't meet your heroes. This is not classy. Currently the way that mia farrow found out they were getting divorced. Is the divorce papers. Showed up on set while she was filming rosemary's baby and she had known they were having problems but the way she talked about it and they did interview her for. This documentary is she was very blindsided. Happened and then. Much like mickey rooney. He found something that stuck. And emily gilmore talked about it. How barbara sinatra just waited them out and so he married barbara mark sinatra in nineteen seventy six. The marks came from her second husband. Was zippo marks. One of the marks mother's this was her third marriage of and they were married from nineteen seventy six until his death in nineteen ninety eight. Wow two years i mean. I'm amazed when people get divorced and they're like eighty and i just think really that makes more sense to me that like it lasted then. Even though he had so many other marriages. Yeah i suppose so. And i guess i do wonder if at that age when you get married you just know yourself so much better. I do think about how ava gardner was. Nineteen when she married. Mickey rooney and frank sinatra and nancy. I if not. We'll both. I think at least one of them was not twenty years old yet and i know younger marriage was more common back then but still that is so young to barely know yourself to try and make that decision right so Eva right before their marriage ended. She was in the barefoot. Contessa that movie. Watch that two day. Oh well. I watched it yesterday. You we talk about this til just funny. I didn't wash it. So i have to tell you a story about this plea. Maybe a ron. We'll see where this is going right away. But i didn't until the end. So i had watched documentary in but i never watched naval gardner movies so i thought well i should wash neva guard. Nosy thought okay. And i have listened to frank sinatra music so they would go but i then i remembered an episode of girls when laura lie references the barefoot contessa contest. Do so i thought oh cool. I'll kill two birds with one stone finally understand that reference. So i watched the whole movie. I can see you know where this is going. I get to the end. And i'm like okay cool. That was a good movie. It was totally. It was good. It wasn't like amazing but it was enjoying totally enjoyable to watch so not a waste of time. And i look up. That gilmore girls clip. You know what would the barefoot contessa do. You really couldn't sleep and initially. I was at a loss. How pass has the time until my one and only offspring fruit of my law into early loin fruit that she is strangled out of bed to grace me with their presence but myself. That'd be w tv fcd and it came to me in a flash. I'm gonna make waffles. What would the very city exactly twin shut up for. So then you know the barefoot. Contessa says about this woman who very similar. Ava gardner story was plucked out of obscurity. And because they heard that she was of great dancer and became this big star nothing to do with waffles. Google the barefoot contessa trying to look up the movie. And apparently there's this famous food network lady called the barefoot contessa. Who's a cook. And that's what they were talking about. At least. the movie was enjoyable otherwise. I would have been a little more disciplined while it's funny. You say that. I think if i had if i had been thinking about gilmore girls reference i might have had the same confusion. The confusion i had as i was watching. The movie was isn't there. Chef called the contessa. I did not realize einiger. Martin and barefoot contessa are one and the same person. I watched a little clip on her. Because i had found who this woman her name is. I'm gartner i'm a gardener. And it's a art gardner or garden. Yeah so so. That is confusing. Yes and asia garton gartner. She bought a restaurant. She said on the little clip by wash that she bought a rush on those already named the barefoot contessa. Oh okay so ninety she even come up with it and here she is choosing me so anyways. I resent her now. I will never watch china gardner and ever so was that but the movie. It was interesting that in the barefoot. Contessa the ava gardner. The characters she plays from the dread and after that movie ava gardner moved to madrid and she'd always wanted to well. I can't tell you at least one of her affairs while she was married to. Frank was with a professional spanish bullfighter. That's awesome the list of people that she is involved with is long. Can i tell you some of the names. We haven't talked about yet. Go for these are some of these rumors. So it's hard to confirm. But i just i think it's worth putting out there that this is talked about david niven john f. kennedy steve mcqueen robert mitchum fred macmurray at least one spanish bullfighter as we discussed. It might have been more than one and then she was also friends with fidel castro and there were rumors. She tried to woo him and she was also friends with one perron and his wife not evita because evita had already passed away but at one time she was friends with him. She hung out a lot with them. And i kid you not. Their friendship ended. When they're corgis in poodles got in a fight. Oh my i mean. I could not make this up if i tried. Oh yes apparently. Am these corgis. Her first kirke was gifted to her by frank sinatra and she kept corgis the rest of her life and apparently their dogs did not care for each other and i think mostly the owners let their dogs get out each other because they were annoyed with each other by that time now probably the truth so eva she did a few more movies than little spots here and there after she moved to dread and they were divorced but israeli just because she needed money didn't sound like she was very good with her finances and there was one movie that she was in and she shared a trailer with a new actress and new actress told a story about that. She would always bring her while not boombox her cassette player to their trailer in the mornings when they were getting ready and she would play music and she would. Sometimes play frank sinatra. She played that often. Which i feel like is a little cruel but but then she switched another other music and eva. One day said put up. Put frankie back on. An actress said that eva would cry every morning listening to frank sinatra and would ruin her makeup and they would have to redo her makeup can like talk out having feelings of regret clearly. Yeah well known of his music that album. That came out around the time they divorced was called. Are you and it's considered one of his saddest albums in his entire canon. I also found a number of stories about their interactions. After their divorce. That like yours. I had not heard that story about. Her plane is music and crying but it seems like they really did pine each other. The rest of their lives When he was filming the movie von ryan's express in the nineteen sixties. He invited eva to an event while they were filming and apparently it was pretty clear that he was trying to win her back. This is premier zero so he was not married at this time and apparently he was one of the people who continue to call her at the end of her life she had a stroke and he continued to call her on the phone and talk to her. He would send her a floral bouquet and every year after their divorce. She kept a photo of them together on her bedside table. There were comments from both of them about how they were the love of each other's lives in that they were very similar and there's also talk that he helped arrange her funeral and that phone call. You mentioned like she would way every night for him to paul eight o'clock after her stroke. Oh my gosh that just like breaks my heart a little bit and yeah. They both said that they wish they could event ended up together but they were just too jealous. And i'm sure a host of other things you know. i mean. at this time. He was married to his final wife when a stroke. But i suppose. I i don't know i'm sure his wife would have known if he disappears every night at eight for a phone. Call at that point. You know i it was you can be a little more assured that this is someone who was important in your life. You're not meeting up the weekend however old. They were but just that companionship. More so in there is talk that apparently he may or may not have tried to rekindle things or call her before he married his next to live to see if there wasn't any other chance of them getting back together And also what my niece out more than one place. I read something from a. You know about how she kind of regretted spending so much time in hollywood and she sorta wishes she had just settled down and had a family. Maybe been able to stick with something longer in terms of like one marriage and have kids. She s i. Did she ever have kids. No she actually had one possibly two abortions while she and frankie were married. I'd isn't that. And i think he didn't know about them. Until after the fact yeah and the second one is what really broke them. Okay which is so sad to me. I you know like they were married ann but she still. I didn't want to have kids with them. I did read that. She at one time thought she wanted to have kids with artie. Shaw but then he divorced her so it was a Should they did not get the chance. Yeah just wonder why. She didn't wanna have kids with sandra and maybe it was the timing When and where. I don't know you can never quite know we talk about into the world of gilmore. Girls yes on. That insanely depressing. No we talk about this. So frankie when after a for a awhile you know she got. She was married she got married to someone elson seemed like he was waiting and then after they were divorced he was still waiting. I almost wonder if she could have easily. Just said will. You're my frank because they both seem to pine for each other for years and years and even i mean even when laura lion lucre with other people you know these are the people they wanna be with And by these people. I meet luke and laura light not the people there with. Yeah and i mean granted. Neither of them had affairs but their spouses did not like the other. So christopher did not like luke and nicole did not care for laura and even in the earlier when rachel shows up. There's something going on. With luke and laura lie. Everybody in the town seems to know is going on. It's an open secret. Yeah going on. Yeah and then. Of course that episode. Everyone finds out very quickly. You that secret does not last much like a franken a however it's not because they had lobster in linguini as far as we know in. It's definitely not because they went out and shot up the town of indio california. No did not do that. Yeah she just came down with no pants on to the diner which is embarrassing in its own way though perhaps not as something not as embarrassing something gets you involved with the law right. Nothing that she get arrested for. Yeah yeah yeah. So taylor so kyla. That's our show that's our show. So that's who loves story. That's our. I love story that we've covered her whole. Yeah i mean. We've talked about a lot of marriages before. Mickey rooney elizabeth taylor. And this is something i had to dig into. This is just a bonus for you. The rat pack kept coming up in my research. Can i just read you some of the people in the rat pack. I did not know all these people were involved in so many of them. We've talked about angela. Lansbury is not one of them but it does feel a little bit like reading all the guest stars for murder she wrote. These are the big names. Okay so like the central group humphrey bogart frank sinatra dean martin. Sammy davis junior. Joey bishop peter lawford who was married to one of the kennedys. They that's the core then kind of like working your way out here. Some of the big names. Lauren bacall bing crosby errol flynn. We talked about him. The gardener of course nat king cole. Robert mitchum who ava gardner may or may not have dated elizabeth taylor. janet leigh. Tony curtis mickey rooney. Lena horne jerry. Lewis judy garland. Remember neth daniel benchley from the algonquin roundtable. When we talked about dorothy. Parker he's involved with this roundtable david niven katherine hepburn whom we've talked about spencer tracy jewish court cary grant rex harrison marilyn monroe shirley maclaine don rickles. I mean what a crowd quite the group. Yeah so may. All of your days of romances not be. Like franken avis. It is more satisfying and healthy gone. There's though if you find someone as beautiful as ava gardner or as cancel as frank sinatra in both as talented as those people all power just you know how things are stable. Needles shouldn't uptown don't do it won't pay off probably don't have the money to get out of it. You can follow us on twitter. So it's show you can email us all your questions about gomel girls pushy. We cover so to show a jima. That calm and our tumbler. Sosa show podcasts. Dot com or dot com post all of our references and fun gifts for you and if you have any grey ava gardner frank sinatra movies. You recommend let us know. Because i don't know about you. But i can always take more recommendations from those people. You probably won't did rewatch high-society yesterday. Highly recommend with grace. Kelly and frank sinatra of course in bing crosby and louis armstrong altogether. That's a common round the art that girls until then his season next. Yeah i think he knows no really sitting there all alone in the dark downing spray with free you'll devastated gay but it's kind of sad. Isn't it why that no boats not humiliating. Swept away of humiliating. Yeah you're right.

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Strange Bird mp3

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

04:50 min | 5 months ago

Strange Bird mp3

"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries. I'm your host kit crumb. Today am based on popular demand. I'm repeating podcast. I call the argument for urban legends. And i originally was inspired to produce that podcast by a book. I checked out from the rogue valley. Metaphysical library libraries located national and oregon. It was written authority shall remain nameless but contain some events that are no more than a figment of someone's imagination like the dog that ate tiny cell phone and every time someone called his stomach woodring. Some were started by celebrities like mickey rooney claiming that he influenced walt disney to call his cartoon mouse mickey mouse. Then there is the urban legend about elvis presley giving a harley davidson motorcycle. Actor james dean. Sorry if never happened. But before. I reveal my favorite urban legend. I need to explain how i separate real and true from something invented by a person with an ulterior motive occasionally do find a witness or participant to an event that can't be explained away and they're willing to talk about it but that's the exception not the rule. Most people are reluctant to admit that they saw ghost or heard strange laughter when they were home alone for fear of being ridiculed. One advantage brought to my attention. Or i'm intrigued by a story on the internet. My search for sources begins. I'll start with the photograph of a pterodactyl that appeared on the internet that allegedly dates back to the american civil war in eighteen sixty four. According to the story behind the mystery image a giant flying creature was shot down by soldiers around eighteen. sixty four The city of exper- the story says soldiers said the creature was like some kind of unknown bird or monster in a surprising. Twist to the story. A second photograph appeared on the internet. That showed a similar scene. This picture was created for television. Program called freaky links which aired on the fox network from two thousand to two thousand one. The fake image showed soldiers standing on the body of another pterodactyl. There are two versions of the image. There are numerous forms on the internet. That of tackled the mystery behind the image which allegedly shows a creature which according to mainstream scientists has been extinct for at least sixty five million years many experts in photography. Client that the real civil war photo. The one freaky links copied is in fact the authentic version not photo shopped while the one from freaky links is clearly a reenactment of the original image. I i needed to debunk. The scientific explanation that the pterodactyl had been extinct for sixty five million years. My research came up with just over one hundred sightings and maybe a dozen photographs in the united states of pterodactyl. I'll take that as a statement that they are still flying the skies. I found at least twenty sightings and oregon on loan. Okay now it was time to go after the image for this. I stayed away from the internet because facebook twitter. And the like for the most part faucets of false hoods. I searched out an expert on newspapers that operated in and around the city of vicksburg in eighteen sixty four after getting passed around and referred to this expert and that expert. I finally found an aging does who's able to locate an archive service that came up with the picture and an article. Go with it. So my point. The folklore about flying pterodactyls or prehistoric birds. If you want to call them that could be called an urban legend but my example demonstrates that the most unbelievable may be based on fact. Interestingly most of the sightings that i checked out dated back to the nineteen sixties and were as recent as twenty nineteen and only a few of the people. I talked to were familiar with the photograph. If you drop me an email at kits myths and mysteries at gmail.com. I'll send you a copy of the photo. I got from my source. Just outside vicksburg. an argument. urban legend was produced here at night. Owl sound studio and brought to you by internationally recognized psychic medium sharon bauer author of the book. Love eternal life. Immortal that you can get it. Sure on our medium dot com. I'm kit crumb. Thanks for listening.

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Holiday movies; the good and not-so good!

Brothers On The Phone Talking Movies

32:15 min | 1 year ago

Holiday movies; the good and not-so good!

"All right are you ready to go sir. Ready to go I like it. We are Brothers on the phone talking movies in this other additional our podcast in this is the happy holiday podcast. So happy holidays brother. Happy Holidays to you too while It's been a long time coming. We thought about this. We had some kind of excitement about it but but kind of tempered maybe a little bit because then the holidays came and they took over it. That's what happened and but this is good because it gave me an opportunity to watch a bunch of holidays films. So now that they've passed. I can reflect a little bit and think about some of these films I really like and then there's a couple that that I question Now I guess right off the top. It's funny for us because we're we were raised Jewish so US watching films about Christmas kind of funny but we can still appreciate especially with the good movie. Oh certainly yes I mean we. We grew up with it. And you couldn't help but be in that environment and and that's what it was. I don't know I don't know how you did this but I had to have some sort of A. I don't know why I had to have a criteria for this but like my reasoning for certain movies that selected some are ones that were got favorite of when I was a kid I mean I don't it's it's hard because there's so many of them will. Yeah that's the thing that there's a seems like a billion holiday films and it is kind of our perspective on his unique because we were raised differently but once again I look forward to seeing a lot of these homes even though they were about Christmas. My daughter your niece said to me data there any Hanukkah Bubis. I said No. I don't think so. I don't know how interesting they'd be. But not the kind of goes along with the Plethora of Hannukah songs exactly pretty much pretty much But know it is. I think was so funny. Is that when you when you think about like Passover and Easter was always ten commandments. That was the only thing that was on and it was on right around the house over Easter Talk. It wasn't like there was fifty thousand films so during the holidays dares you know every radio state era or on the radio. Dial ten radio stations playing Christmas music and then on TV. There's the hallmark channel and the holidays. So were inundated with holiday films everywhere so if you had to pick what would be. What would they do? You have a go-to favorite film. That's a holiday film that you know you don't yeah. I would I WOULD. I would say so. There's a couple that I really like. I'll start off with the one and I kind of it really is more Thanksgiving but lead into Christmas in planes trains and automobiles is just really a such a fun holiday film. And you've got to comedy giants at their Best Just John Candy and Steve Martin who are really good together and they play off each other really well. It's it's one of those partnerships you wish you could see more of and the movies just to very very funny but it's also heartwarming and touching to at times when you really feel for John. Candy's character when you really learned about him and what his wife is no longer there and Dell Yeah exactly shower curtain ring salesman and In the journey that they take is is very funny but like you said touching and heart warming it takes place during the holidays and every time I see it I go. Gosh I forget how funny this Willie was and just how much I really enjoyed it. And I've always liked it so to me. That's really. That's one of my go-to holiday films and honestly I don't feel like I've seen enough. Which is a good thing. He doesn't get clobbered with repeat viewings. So that's probably why like it so much? It's a great holiday film and they don't make movies like that very much anymore. The John Hughes Films Women Home Alone. They run a lot in. That's probably one of the biggest commercial chestful films that you've you've seen it right yet is left home alone. That's who my kids are constantly with. That ever happened to us. I'm like no. We wouldn't trust me but yeah and it's a great holiday film. It is I can't I can't take it away from them. It's a great but if you buy favorite John Candy that and uncle but we're not keeping up are we. Are we keeping you up? I didn't have my late day. Coffee these are brothers. Pete rose on the phone the phone tease each other. To just as part of this to know I liked it. I liked that choice. That's a really good. I didn't even think of that wasn't even on my list. I guess because I think more of Christmas but it's collides. It's a great movie it's Thanksgiving and see it's leads into Christmas song. Let's then I'm GonNa go with that. So what do you got? Well I mean it's a film I really don't see enough nowadays and I really like I think it's maybe one of the best all around films. I knew people would take issue with me. That have seen it or sick of it. But then there's plenty of people and I found that haven't seen it's a wonderful life. Jimmy doing think it's a great film to see? I know it's a little sambre at times and it's serious but I think that's one of the reasons why does hold up because it kind of a story about a guy that just basically gets discouraged? He he loses hope and he just doesn't have the kind of life that he that he thought he would have and when to give a whole whole bunch of the plot away for people that have never seen it and there are people and there are people that are in my age group over thirty five that have not seen. What are you laughing at seem as bill? I just think it's a great. It's a great heartwarming movie. It is funny at times. I wouldn't say that it's I wouldn't put it as a comedy holiday film but I certainly would put it as it has a lot of meaning to it and it's it's very very relevant today about how lucky we are to be blessed with good friends and those friends that we have in our family in health and how special we really are as as a person and what we can what our value is human being to what we mean to so many people so anyhow that is probably one of my favorites of all time they ran it on one cable network and they ran it all day long and I just loved it. I've seen I've seen it a few times cycle through during this holiday season I was saying to so many other day. There's only a handful of old movies that seem to survive the gone with the wind. Wizard of is you know maybe eight Lanka then so wonderful life like there's just a real it when I say survive meaning that a large amount of the public has seen it true miracle on thirty Fourth Street. That's they don't run that movie as much as they used to have noticed no probably because we have so many more holiday films and the generations just begin to change and may die out New People and so it gets farther away when that film was made many years ago. So there's just not as many people around that maybe are GonNa WanNa Watch even black and white film let alone movie. That was more than forty years ago. Fifty years ago now I agree. It's a great movie. It's a wonderful life. But here's a question for Jimmy. Stewart's thirty eight years old in their their flashing back to when he was in high school with Donna Reed. I'm not saying he did. You sound like me like me like I like the things that I can't. They can't sell me on. I'm with you there. You'RE NOT GONNA get an argument on me I. He doesn't look like he's a teenager by any and I realized they did not have the aging process. That they do. Now you can you know D. H. An actor and he does look good. I I'm still pulls it off. It's just I laugh when I like. The Guy was thirty eight. He's in high school but whatever it is a great movie. It's a frank. Capra made a lot of movies was great messages. And obviously that one lives on more than anything most holiday and you know if it wasn't for that film how many people would even know who Jimmy Stewart is. How many people would see his name? How many people would know that accurate? He's one of the greatest also actors. So but that's that's the movie that I would say. The adult part of me likes now. I haven't I have another set of films that that I like but do you have. Do you have a second favorite third favorite or is there yet? There's there's a few that I and that that definitely makes it. You Know Movies a fun holiday movie. By the way I've I've seen it. Only smart people love that people do love that film. I mean I don't know where are you considering at falls? They do a holiday bill. Well it takes place during Christmas. I know I know doesn't have to be a comedy or a family drama. To be a Christmas can be thriller and true true a little bit but yeah and he kind of reconciles with his wife's. There's there's a heart warming. I don't know I see it. It's just you don't think of it because it bucks the trend a little bit. It's a little different but yeah it's considered one of the great holiday films Maybe because it is different but I the man who came to dinner is fun film and I saw it again on. Tm Just I think just watched it on the applicant weeks ago and I had seen at once before. I'd never seen it before. Then it's a good movie. It's a fun holiday film and I think they keep rediscovering a lot of these films like Christmas in Connecticut. You ever seen that one. That's been how it's fun. It's get some funny moments. It's got a good performance from Barbara. Stanwick pretty light roll. It happened on. Seventh Avenue is suddenly become like a holiday favourite. Now that's another fun one. That's you know older from that period of it's a wonderful life but the man who came to numerous pretty funny. It's got a really fun script Play and Monty. Woolley was not really a very well. Known actor plays lead character and he's just great and he's fantastic he's hysterical and you're a backseat role. She was at the height of popularity and takes a very secondary role and I liked it about time to meet me time. She got top billing but she takes but the rose very second. Well you got to sell the picture. Come on you gotTA. It's all about money. But she she takes the secondary role. Let him shine and she's good in it. She is good. She plays the role well. shows her range. She doesn't have to just choose scenery up in every time she's on and I liked the movie. I laughed out loud. It a couple of things. I thought it was fun. There's a lot of goofy accenture characters in there and it's pretty silly. The premise is pretty crazy. A monty Williams performances worth it alone. So that's kind of a newer one or I should say new. Hold one that I've kind of discovered that I was never really exposed to because he never really saw it and I kind of liked that movie and it's fun so I don't know if you've seen it but I recommend it. It's fun to watch. I have I have seen part of it. I can't really speak enough about it because I haven't seen it. And so that's kind of exciting to be the same thing with your rediscover old servile in the Kinda new. You made me think of one that I didn't think of. It's in the category of the more reason to type films. And I'm the Fred Claus the jingle all the way he's just kind of silly fun holiday movies but I find me. Take us into the animated territory. I have to say that maybe my all time to favorite animated classic films would be. Santa Claus is coming to town. You better not pal you better to have Mickey Rooney and the title role as Kris Kringle. I mean that's just that it doesn't get much better than nothing to hear Mickey Rooney and as a kid I didn't. I don't think I knew it was Mickey Rooney. But now of course makes me. It cracks me up now. That is the way. That's the one that narrates right. Yeah yeah he's really fight and everybody kind of remembers it but like sometimes they don't remember it until they see it. Oh I love that film. It's such a great film and then maybe a Rossi Snowman with. Maybe like a second but phil that I discovered more recently. As Mickey's Christmas Carol. That is a great film. The animation is excellent in it. My kids look. I can honestly say my kids. Watch it young. I really out of that. Yeah that's A. That's a really neat one. I mean I like that better than I think. That really holds up more than say. Charlie Brown's Christmas which is really fine. But it's a little I don't know if it if date quite as well. I mean if it's very sentimental to you than well then that's really great but I don't know I kind of I kind of go more for the Santa Clause Film and then I mean I do I do Kinda like Bill Murray in Scrooge. That's a little different take on scrooge which. I think is kind of fun. It is fun. I thought he was very good in it and as a TV exact. Yeah he's great he's very sinister and I sometimes forget that and I almost feel like they don't show that one offs I don't think they do show it on fact. I always hope that they would show that during the season and they didn't. I didn't see these Christmas Carol. Maybe that was on Disney shadow then my other perennial favorite kid was Rudolph the red nosed reindeer. I mean if I might say the voices in that. Oh my God I mean. Yeah it yeah. There's I mean a borough lives and then of course Paul Frees and Santa Claus is coming to tell. I mean they're just great. Yeah that stuff is really it that rankin bass stuff. It's a little weird to look at that kind of stop motion but it is in the younger generation. Really hard time with it. It's like it's like me trying to watch a lego movie. I don't takes me. I don't get it in. Were they watched that? And they're like. What is this weird? But it is kind of weird but it almost like. Yeah it kind of looks like a something between like a weird video game and the Dobie animation that we see. That's kind of quick. That doesn't have as much but I think the acting performances in those rankin bass films were so good. The actors were so great. That kind of makes up for a little bit of that odd-looking puppeteer in that Gumby sort of style the I like up at Christmas Carol to that's Crispy Carol is a Lotta Fun. Yeah it is. I think that movie has built up in even stronger. Following as time goes on and it really is. They're very funny in its markets and Michael Caine plays dead serious scrooge. It's he's good in in. That's that's a fun film. I I kind of forget in that I watch and I'm like yeah. This is pretty good. This is this is funny and I enjoy it There's an I must say while I before WanNa give maybe one that. I really like one of the movies that I don't get in. I don't understand it and I think it was released. It was not successful but it is now grown into a huge following and people love it and they name all these things after it and the polar express is to me one of the worst Christmas films. I've ever Polish. Well I don't I'm not in a in a and I said to myself okay. Maybe it is because hey I'm Jewish so there's things about the Holiday Inn CNN things. I don't necessarily appreciate but I realize it's not a good movie. It isn't it's slow. It's porn very slow. Yeah but only do. It's kind of interesting. It's a little different to look at. So maybe that's one reason why people I don't. I don't like the animation. It's there's a coldness to it. In his stiffness. There's nothing it lacks warmth and feeling in thinking in a Christmas phone. That's something you'd really want. It really lacks that warmth and feeling decayed. Who's the main character I don't you don't really like him at the beginning and then when he comes around you don't really like him. I felt like his character. I didn't like that. Kids are out the entire film and it Tom. Hanks is fine in some of the animation itself. That isn't people related. All the other things that are is I guess. Pretty NEAT to look at But I I am dumbfounded by that route and once again I'll reference my kids because they're they're a really great meter of things. They don't really like that film that much. They never asked to watch it every time it's like this is boring and then they walk away. I'm like Yep I'm with you guys. Kids are so so as they love they are well what about. Let's talk about some favorites. That maybe are overplayed like a Christmas Story and Elf. I mean I certainly loved him. I remember seeing Elton. The theater and I said this is going to be a classic film it someday. It's going to be a classic film and I don't even know if the reviews were great. I don't remember if they were mixed but I remember. I just I thought this is GonNa be classic film will fit is. It's my favourite film. That he's ever died. He is amazing in a James Caan. Of course as Mary Steenburgen. Ed Asner has one of my favorite lines of any move and it means nothing body. You're the best little Elf in Santa could ever have. I mean not just that gets me every time it is so silly. I don't know Bro. It's a great film that's Yeah Rain. Holiday filmed yes. They burn it out. I cannot argue that. It's on way too much but if I just sit in. It's like Stereo Heaven. It's I've heard too many times but when I sit and I listen to it I'm like yet still a great song and I'll say at Christmas story. I realize again. They played all day on one of the works. And it becomes is. But I've look at it now. It's kind of a joke. 'cause depending on what time of day is you walk in and areas with the lamp or the areas with his tongue on the Marie. And it's Darren mcgavin. Who is added? He is so wonderful and The the mother. She is amazing. I mean all of your is so funny. She cracks me up and they're so there's this scenes are just indelible. And I didn't realize how Jean Shepard who does the narration of the film that he wrote it and it was based on his life and house. It was one of his stories. Yeah and it's it makes sense because it's just so it comes out of him that narration so naturally and so I think that is one of the key elements of that film. Is that narration and realizing that the person's just a writer in the idea that that could really translate and make that movie in totally does. His narration is so perfect. You're right it. It just flows out of him in he so warm and engaging and do you know who they were going to get to do that narration and they decided not to Morgan Freeman. That was their first choice to do the narration. I'm getting because he narrates everything right. Exactly that's the voice so we wanna hear but no I just I really do think that is such a huge part of it. That narration really really makes any once again that was that was successful upon release in then develops this following. And isn't that amazing? Like what what were people thinking like what they expect. It was really quirky. Maybe that's what it was that it just was. It broke the tradition of what people thought Christmas. Who I mean I look at the movie white Christmas and I think to myself what I I don't know I don't really get it. I mean bing crosby's a fine singer but I just don't get that yeah I mean it's just it's a vehicle for that song and that's really kind of it. Yeah and I I don't really know. Holiday Inn is another one in you. Just kind of their sappy in there. That's why it's neat discovering some of those other films mentioned because these these Christmas phones they have these really interesting stories Fred Claus. There's another one that I dance. Fun Is Fun. It's a little different than than typical fair and he's great at it. A Christmas vacation is take has gotten a new brand new life and it is that watch it. It's funny it's very funny. It's very funny in that movie. Yes what's rating on that is a? Pg Thirteen are. I feel he could so I think I believe it is our is our well. Yeah it's a good cast. Of course I drive this is. Christopher guest is an obvious Jason it. Have you ever seen the shop around the corner which I have to be met? That's such a cute film. It IS A. It's a really neat film. If you're looking for something just a little different. Of course Jimmy Stewart. I mean I just like there isn't anything that he does that I don't like but that is kind of a cool film cancer voice. Sometimes her voice is a little upgrading. A little irritating on me because it's so affected of that time It's it's a very. It's a really neat kind of story. So so and and you can. You can see where you've got mail that it's all it all comes from that film and it's a really sweet takes place during Christmas time and it's fun to discover some of these films that you haven't seen before and I think that's the key for me because Y- it's fun to watch it is. It is a great movie. And if you asked me if you put a gun to my head said best holiday movie ever. I might sale. I might say it's the one that I- I consistently laugh at and it makes me get caught up in the spirit of the holiday. It does it really. It's very relatable in in. Its and he just as easy in it. And that's a little romantic story. That's happening there to kind of a a B story. Maybe and friendship and my Gosh. There's so much going on there now. I've found these movies. The Santa Clause with Tim Allen as Scott Calvin. I kind of got into those a little later. They had already been out before and when I saw. I thought this is really. This is kind of cute. It's silly it's fine. It's really very it's kind of updated and I thought I think I liked the first and the second one thing after the second one third one it was Plesetsk enough already. Yeah Yeah it was too much to the first two. Were Kinda cute. And they're they're fun. It's a kind of a fun story. How he becomes Santa Claus. It's have you know. Have you seen bad Santa which obviously really pushes the lie? I have seen bits and again I came to that late. That is hilarious. It's fun so yeah. If you're looking to have a little the adults around you watch little little Eggnog more NOG than egg maybe I've been it's been on a remote the remote right away. That's you know that's a good. That's a that gets a nice honorable mention for something a little different. But now you make me immediately just find the main came to Denver because it's an older one that I'm usually familiar with the older holiday villas but that one has got away from me so I have to. It's very it does feel like a play at times but he's very good and his name is Great Sheridan whiteside. I mean that's his name. I love that name. And he such a pompous. You know what he really is. But he's very enjoyable to watch and the dialogue is very snappy funny and there's some secondary characters near and that's when I definitely go for And I'm listening to like I said I'm glad to say this. But I for a while. The Polar Express's really got under my skin. Well you've gotTA thing for that one I just I really don't I don't I've I've tried to watch it several times and I just don't like it so now. Here is a couple of get a reaction out of you the holiday. Did you ever see that with Jack? Black and no. I don't think I've seen that one. Oh Gee that's such a cute film. It's a kind of find. It's kind of a fun movie. And it has a Cameron Diaz is in it and it's kind of a neat little twist the story. I believe that might have been actor. Eli Wallach last film and it's just a cute charming story at just okay. It's one of these things it's not. It's not a holiday film but it takes place during the holiday and there's a there's a story to be story and it's a lot of fun and I really enjoyed that day again. They don't run that very much. Unipolar NIGHTMARE BEFORE. Christmas inventive film. I think that that deserves a mention. I mean there. I feel like that's one of those you know it's a good movie you know it's different you know it's unique but I don't know that I really enjoy sitting there watching it from beginning to end. I appreciate the artistry of it and how different in unique it is. I don't know that I get great enjoyment watching Su. I'm kind of mixed on that one. Yeah I just recently saw the four Christmases with Vince. Vaughn and I've seen bits and pieces having you again. That's a that's kind of a little different. It's fine it's kind of a different story. Just the holiday is is is just the time period. But it's just kind of a fun. It's kind of a fun story. I mean there's just so many there's so many films the really there there really aren't to sift through and find the good ones and honestly for the most part the really great ones do survive and they do soldier on every now and then you do find one that people can rediscover like Christmas. Story was nothing for years and then went to cable and then suddenly becomes a huge hit. I Love I love I love. I love Christmas Carol. The nineteen fifty one version that that and then the nineteen thousand nine hundred eighty eight version boats. Are I think I really do like the thirty eight one the the older? I really enjoyed that one. That's that relays. It really is a fifty. One is very good to You know what it proves. It proves that a great story is sometimes all you need. Because how many times has that story been made in? Usually whether it's Bill Marion Scrooge or muppet Christmas Carol How many times they make that story and it's still plays pretty well because it's a great story. It is a great story. Yeah yeah rules. I don't know if I feel the same way about the grinch because there's been some different ones yes so we. I don't Yeah I mean there's twenty eighteen and which one was okay so it was. Okay yeah I agree with you. So I'm not a huge fan of the Jim Carrey one either once again I I watch it. And I'm like I know they. They love the grinch the character of the grange civil. Sit through anything with the grinch in it but yeah yeah I once again. I don't think that's a great film. I don't I really. Don't yeah kind of with you on that. Honestly I have to say So now I don't know I Kinda Wanna I kinda WANNA see beds. Xanada wrap the ear up. I would agree. It's a really great way to just kind of in the urine. Something completely inappropriate. There are no kids. Listening to the PODCAST. I think we're safe there so this was this was neat kind of look at some of the holiday films. Some of them were obvious pick. Some of them are are nice that they're not so obvious and there were looking for some different things and I and I liked that I liked it. They're showing some of these older films that just get lost and now we can can receive again reevaluate them and realize there's some pretty good movies out there and for those of you. Jackie Vernon fans out there that WANNA see Performance of his healy frosty the snowman. Chunky Vernon I'm frosty the snowman. A hard sell for me but I do know somebody out there that absolutely loves that film and Probably Pretty upset that I'm dumping on film by over like over four years old. I think it's a tough one. I appreciate it for what it is. I am just glad that no one in my house has to watch more well. That's probably yeah. That wouldn't happen. And I know that that sounds sacrilegious. People love that film Kenny. Talk any crap frosty but who nets ship sailed many years ago for me So this was fun. Thank you so it was by the answer for your ear. Picks and once again. We are brothers on the phone talking movies. We're talking holiday movies and Check us out on our facebook page and will continue to these podcasts. As long as we can keep seeing movies exactly happy happy holidays and happy new year to every. Es Right back at you did oh. They're good night good night.

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S4E13 - Black Eyed Children

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S4E13 - Black Eyed Children

"The guest pressure with your two favorite boys in the business. I'm d in this cute little baby boy. Aj we're coming at you with season. Four episode. Thirteen the black eyed children. This is going to be our first episode since ten. The doesn't involve piss finest on instagram and twitter. That point so pressure. Oh i didn't have anything ready for this. How's your week. You know not bad. How is your jesus resurrection. easter bunny. Day zombie jesus day was good I did absolutely nothing. I had two bowls of cereal And played some vr. So here we are. I actually do stuff. Yeah i was gonna say you're vaccine. You got like last week right. Yeah and my family got it a while ago. So you know it's nice having family who doesn't believe this is a hoax. Yeah seriously is it so now that you have the vaccine are able to connect to your phone via bluetooth. Yeah it's fantastic. I don't need anymore. Geez i get mine on tuesday i am so fucking ready for it What'd you do today today. Oh you know got some food most that mostly. It's just i got to hang out with my sister's baby so i guess my nubia adorable kid. It's great to have all the joys of being a parent without the negative parts of being a parent. It's like when i bring over stevie. Have all the joys of like owning a dog without actually avenue on great. Yeah it's fantastic. We'll good man. Glad to hear it. I'm proud of us. We did not go three episodes in a row talking about p. So and you brought it up again did it. You know i did. I had to be a pp. Without the it's true. Ashby our tagline. Oh really though that when we were just talking about this before let us know. Dms if you'd be interested in us go into some of those cons you know if if you would like to hear about us getting conned send over any nigerian prince emails or just send us over you. Just send me a request. But say it's a pay and i'll i'll click. I don't even read. Ou not bad all right so i suppose we should get started. Interestingly enough though this topic has been suggested to me multiple times by multiple people really. Yeah i say multiple because that's more than one. I won't tell you exactly how many. But i'm guessing too. Damn how'd you know old people. You did it now. This one is a topic. I've wanted to talk about. Because i only get to talk about some more paranormal stuff. Every once in a while or d. Just goes crazy doesn't get it. I don't i really don't and always realize episodes by asking too many questions is because i'm i don't embrace the whole paranormal thing. It's i get. I get the fascination with it. I understand like why people enjoy it. Why people would see it or experience. It but for me personally i just. It doesn't really click. I just i'm like okay. Like i like hearing the stories. I think they are the coolest thing in the world. I just don't necessarily believe them. Well i hate you in. You're wrong. I know for everybody else. We're gonna start off with a little bit of a story. And then i'll explain a little bit about what it is that i'm talking about here. Oh and before you get started in this. I want to give myself credit. Because i did the will of wisp episode on those projections so and i did a good job so if you want to hear my take on a lot of it check out. What was that season to low. Wisp a two parter. I can't remember what we talked about last week. So yeah yeah that's true. I don't remember what i talked to people about yesterday. Perma fried alright. So back in You know way back in the day in two thousand and fourteen. Oh god this is recent. You didn't lie. no no. This is i was thinking it was like slightly more recent than the one thousand nine hundred four episode. I did last week. I think Now we have some of the older ones later. But yeah mostly it's ninety s and two thousand so okay A local of the cannock chase in staffordshire england heard a child scream. This was. i believe it was About the evening time and it was out of nowhere so she fucking panicked grab. Her grabbed her daughter and ran out outside of her home to kind of wooded area where she heard the scream. Come from and she's looking around for it and she's just like doesn't know where to look when she turns around and right behind her is a girl in a white dress and she's got her hands. God i punched the microphone. I asked these out when i'm talking. So she's got her hands over her eyes. So obviously being you know a normal person the lady says hey are you. Okay and she. She moved her eyes. Are her hands away from her face. She moved her eyes as phase. She moved your hands away and her eyes were black. No irish no why. It's nothing just like smooth black so this girl are this lady panics. Of course is startled. Jumps. kinda turns grabs. Her daughters hand. Turns back and the girls gone and that is a black is a black black-eyed child story. That's that's a super basic one. That happened in two thousand fourteen. Pretty much this is a paranormal phenomenon. That happens that seems to happen. And interestingly enough in this one it seems like the people who are interested in these stories tend to have the black eyed children experiences which is kind of so so it's similar to what we talked about with alien contact. Is that the more you tend to look into it. The more likely it is to pop up or like the men in black. That's how a lot of it works. But this one's more just you just have it is like you don't have to look into it that much and you start getting experiences if that makes sense well. Great Sorry fans if you start seeing black children everywhere. I'm not liable so planes elsewhere. I hope you're going to be spending the night in your apartment alone tonight You know in see. We'll be able to put this to attest. find out. Yeah so the. These kinds of experience have been have been reported for quite a while. I think the. I like big one. That was reported because every kind of phenomenon has like the big store that everybody knows about. We talked about that. One later that that was in nineteen ninety-six which was around the time when there were like late night. Radio shows like coast-to-coast things like that. That would talk about these stories and the internet was just kinda really taken off so it spread like wildfire and then people of course started to just started to report more and more of these over over the years. There's a great author that i can't remember his name so shout out to you who read some good books on these credit where credit is due. Exactly i obviously didn't read one of those books. But that's besides the point so sparked note that bitch in a on a very basic way. It is nobody you know. Obviously we don't know what it is but it just seems like people will have these strange experiences where they see a kid with black is obviously and there's a hot. My parents house yeah. There's a few staples of each of these experiences. That kind of happens. There's always that pattern that i try to look for seems like in this one. Obviously there's the kid with the black is a lot of times. They have long hair long dark hair but not all the time There's usually a feeling of impending doom or like just irrational fear that comes along with these A lot of times. I kid will disappear. Sometimes they just turn around and walk away Let's see what some of the other ones now is the feeling of impending doom. I'm sure i'm spoiling this for myself. But is that generally due to the fact. That like you're out looking for something worrisome. Like like the lady that her to her child scream she goes out and she's like maybe this fucking kid got killed and i'm gonna get killed to the level of like irrationality of this. Fear is like that times ten. I don't want to move. I see it's it's not just like a feeling in the back of your head. It's like that's your present. Like most present feeling all encompassing that body wide like it is above and beyond what it should be. Okay oh and another one is sometimes they have is that are black sometimes. It's just a gaping hole in their head. Ooh nice so that's always fun. That's so hot All right kemper. I fucking love it when my girls don't have balls and they got that nice inner nick all right so i wanted to start off the story with just a start of these stories. I just got a bunch of stories really with kind of lame one but it kind of it kind of builds so this next one was happened thirty years earlier in the exact same area in nineteen eighty two. So the person who investigated the first story. His name was lee brickley. He had an aunt who had a very similar experience in that area. So pretty much the same setup. She just chilling in her house. She hears a young girl crying for help. Jump you know. Walked out of her jumped out of her house. Second-story broker legs now s. She stepped out of her house. Was the impending doom man. Yeah she she saw a young girl in white who was running away from her so she ran to catch up to like. Hey is everything. Okay what are you running from. And she she goes up touches. The girl shoulder gets close enough to just stops on a dime turns around as there's exact black is i'm just imagining the scene from super bad when they're chasing evan and he's like i it's fun get alive funk ever that's exactly what happened except in a white down chasing this fucking kid. Oh god so. whips around. total black is so. She is startled shocked a bit and right when she sees the is she gets that completely irrational paralyzing. Fear wouldn't say that it's irrational run into someone in the either didn't have eyeballs or they're they had like the s- clara was that clara said like the full black eyeball like the tattoo. It also yeah. I don't know what the fuck it is but just like totally black. I that that she would fuck me up. I mean even just a little girl in a white dress. It's running away for me. That's a terrifying. That's that's That's going to be taken out of context. I don't want them to go to. The cops is always put myself in these fucking corners. You really do know in the corner. But yeah like i get it. It would make sense to weed scared shitless when something's looking at you but it doesn't have anything to look at you this. Yeah so of course when she shocked basically the girl turned back around and runs away and she says you know what. I'm not going to chase that girl into a forest. Fuck that can you imagine looking at your front window. And he just see them. Sprinting down the street like tell eighty chasing a little girl and then all of a sudden you just see the lady running back the other way and the little girl just running after chasing scooby doo film. Man it's got. It's got some like off off brand beatles song. Oh god somehow they pop out of like a door in your closet. Just run into another room and then you see them outside again just coming through different doors. I'm glad we both watch that. Dude scooby was the shit. Oh yeah i found it on. Archive dot org. Oh man so i. If you haven't seen the originals once the originals find them and watch them. There are a couple of episodes in the third season. That are pretty damn racist but you can get past that. This was the sixties. Yeah what do you expect from a white child cartoon mickey rooney levels. Oh god oh no. Maybe skip bad episode. But so weirdly enough. When i was looking stories of black-eyed children in this area i found a lot of them in the chase but most recently is. I found an article posted in late february. Twenty twenty one. That a older woman. I think she was sixty eight. Who lives in this area in the cannock chase found. Dozens of dolls were nailed to the trees in this area. What the fuck they had They were nailed through their dresses. Were like torn off. If they had dresses. Sometimes it was just body parts and yeah it was That was kind of weird. They have a video of it. So you can find it on Mysterious universe dot com just type in black. Eyed children should be the top one So i found that was interesting. And then i found some news articles and stuff about two young girls during the early to mid sixties. Who went missing in that area and then their corpses were found in a ditch. Oh well that's a. Oh fuck. I just pulled up the picture of these dolls on the trees. How good hey turning yourself. A little man with af- world. What the fuck. Yeah ooh. sorry. I was also talking really quietly. Those yellow dots but they found the bodies where they were just like entity really buried. Oh they were just in a ditch. Yeah fuck in the late sixties. Another girl went missing and was found. Dead courses found a couple of years later. Then in the late sixties there was an attempted abduction of a young girl in the area. A neighbor called the cops. The cops brought the guy in interviewed him said and we don't have any evidence basically wins they said. Did you try to kidnap this girl and said no so. They had to let him go then. Went on to kill another young girl and number in the cannock chase as is tradition. It's fantastic so besides this horrible shit happening it also seems to be a hot spot of ufo sightings Ghost dog sightings as a black dog and a black panther a citing thing that's in the uk that's pretty common. We should go michigan. Go to the cannock chase woods. I'm down. We can make a tax deductible business trip visiting expense see. I thought that was weird. That yeah turns out. That's that's just a hot spot of some weird shit so now we got I'm gonna burn through this episode. I was wanting to know. And that's okay. it happens. France of nineteen seventy four. Two men just kind of pulled off in front of a house because they were going to flip a bitch and you know do a u-turn so they you know you you turn around you you check down the road make sure nobody's nobody's coming and seeing flip around. Doing a passenger seat looks out just towards the house and he sees five figures that were four feet tall standing on the lawn of some dudes house. Oh he's look at this. They turn around. They look at them and they're all wearing these long white garments. They have long hair down to about their waste and there is. It's dark at this time. you know. It's basically nighttime but there is just blacker than black one figure who is kind of out in front of the other four gesture towards them like come here. I get out of your car come here. Luckily they fucking booked it. They you know obviously they would just fucking drive away. Because as soon as they made eye contact no pun intended that that fear just set in and now they've made void contact. They void contact. Yes they booked down. The road freaked out later. They got their courage backup and They had some other people. I think it was one of their houses. I said all right everybody get in the car. Let's go look for him so they they went back. They weren't able to see to find him of course but there was a neighbor they were basically going door to door and there was a neighbor who said that he had seen five kids out there and he thought those damn kids were playing in the road always but i would think that would be my i guess yeah exactly five kids in with long hair and a white gowns standing in the goddamn kids plan. I'm alone but you know i. It's it's really creepy. I wish i was I was Maker i would. I would make all of these these Better but yeah like every single one of these is just. There's just hit. It's like being smacked with this fear that it's just like a wave that hits them. Yeah and that's that's known in different part different kinds of phenomena different type of experiences where it's just over and above the kind of fear that you should you know that would be normal in the situation. Yeah when you just see like a kid. Yeah hopefully wouldn't. I mean it terrifies me. That much but for the normal person shouldn't know the thought of having my own owes me that much. Fear yeah just have seen one. But i mean sometimes if this is true. They're a mess it. No that's that's me. When i see any kid from like that's like twelve to fifteen. Oh that's what i get scared. They're such mean little fucks and you never know which ones are gonna like. Oh they're always so murders and they're just they always hit like the the worst things hit the worst things like they'll insult the worst thing about you. Oh yeah they were like physically. I unlike are you know. They're yeah. I'm getting beat up. I'm being tormented by twelve to fifteen year old nova there. Always just the meanest little fuckers. They don't quite understand. Hey maybe i shouldn't be a fucking asshole to everybody. Know they understand they. Just don't care. All my anger really sat. And around fifteen i get it i was gonna say that's on my like depression in hate for myself. Started to kick in before a hate for everybody else yeah. It's called deflection. Let's see so nineteen my camera sake. My computer is a little little far away. I got a zoom. It in old man needs to get his Glasses adjusted eddie of your fucking hearing aids and glasses on. I don't have my hearing aids on. So that's why. I keep telling you to talk ladder but So nineteen ninety six. This is the story that really like made the black eyed children very known phenomena It kinda got the fame of the o- of this is the one that really liked picked up that people i it was a newspaper articles like it was on the news. It was a pretty big deal when it happened. And of course. I'm going to slaughter because i don't know anything about timing but brian. Bethell went to pay his internet bill one evening. This is back before online payments. So he got in his car and drove down to the The internet service provider's office and it was pretty late that evening and he had to write a check out for his bill and the The internet service office was next to a movie theater so he just pulled into the movie theater. Parking lot to use the light from the sign to right now remind you said nineteen ninety six already. This is the most nineteen ninety six fucking story of. i've ever heard. He goes to write a check to pay his internet service bill and he. He doesn't have a flashlight so he uses the light from from a movie theater next door he just sold part of his beanie baby collection to pay for the internet. Aw he he's paying for it with his. He's apple stock dividends against his dot com dot com stocks. Oh god exactly so now that. We're thoroughly in the nineties within our childhood getting flashbacks. So he he's sitting there. He's filling out check and there's a knock on his door and without even looking up. He is shitting himself terrified. Oh oh and he looks up and they're they're just two kids they're probably nine and twelve years old one of them's a pale with red hair so the first one's a demon and then there's a second one with dark curly hair. You didn't laugh my no. I didn't because this is a serious matter. I apologize to anybody with red hair. I'm sorry you were born now. Remember this is pre columbine so he wasn't afraid because he was scared it was going to be a sudden shooting. No he's still ninety six. He's still. He's still be comfortable safety of of his town. Yeah he understands that he can just smack. A kid over percussions pinpoint the and early nineties baby. So he He rolls down his window and one of them stepped forward and said. Hey you know. We're wanting to watch a movie here. I think it was mortal combat by the way. I'm excited for the new one. I didn't even know there was a new one coming out. There is a new one. That's coming out. It looks pretty good. Check it out. no. I won't so i think it's going to be trash. I'm sure it's going to be bad but it's gonna be better than any superhero movie. That's coming out. I'm not gonna watch any of those either. I mean either. I'm done with him. All right so he you know they're like hey. We wanna watch mortal combat but we left our money at mom's house. God can you can you. Can you give a ride. Just real quick like you know. Just pick up the money. It's fine we're nine and twelve like we're youngsters and he's still just for no reason shitting himself he's like i want to roll does window and drive away but these are twelve year old kids out here alone. May as well help him but he He looks down at his clock on his little dashboard. His analogue clock. Now i don't know it was probably have those. Yeah he checked his fucking calculator. Watch and you can't keep the poontang off with that. So he looked down at the clock and he realizes that the movie that they wanna watch is basically starting right this second. So he's like. Hey you know like by the time we get back. The movies going to be like almost done no. I'm forty five minutes of trailers. it's fine. We'll make it but the you know they said Basically immediately start arguing it with them. These it'll be. It'll be really quick. We're just two kids. We don't have gone terrifies honestly. That is the worst way. Like that's the most telltale sign that someone definitely has a gun. You don't ask and they go. I don't have a gun. you're like well. Why the fuck did you bring it up. That's a red flag right there. That feeling of impending doom. I feel for him already getting worse. Now so yeah you get out. Wlac looks back a lot fucking abandoned attachment like it wasn't a gun. God it's not a gun it's a musket. It's it's a crossbow. Get it right. We should bring crossbows back. Honestly i'd be down. I have one you do. Yeah my dad made in high school. Oh yeah the one that we almost killed each other. F- put a stick in it and it exploded. He's got a seventy pounds so ridiculous. Any other mason. He so when we were over there we found that we were like. Oh my god and he goes. I loaded at one time and just shot it towards like what a house for like a city. Let's aimed at towards. I don't remember what it was something. Solid like a wall but it went up and just fell somewhere in a few liberty story of somebody. Just dying from a random cross. Bo-bo i know the killer reach out because we we need to have a come to jesus episode totally forgot about that story. Oh so good. So they don't have gone. Of course they have risked crossbows but they. Yeah he's He's looking back down at the clock when he looks up. All of the sudden their eyes were gone like black like coal and he eat normal before before he didn't notice anything it was fine. It was normal. Oh he didn't notice. Okay it's not known if you didn't notice or if if it if it changed he is he doesn't remember it being that way before so he fucking start stuttering like whatever. Your is now here. He said sorry. I can't help you and started rolling the window up. You know how you know the little manual ones like you have to go so fast and the kid hits the window and says we can't come in unless you tell us it's okay. Let us in. And he said noah bitch not. I don't know if he said that. But he fucking he popped in reverse and fucking peeled out of. There did not pay as internet bill and when he looked in the rear view mirrors were gonna well. We are really making light of what was supposed to be kinda creepy episode. I'm sorry. I mean this is what we always do. Yeah expected anything different. I don't know what the fuck show you. You're listening to my fault. I should have kept my expectations there. A lot of these stories actually come from north carolina. Interesting we will have to. We're going to have bareback on in a couple of episodes. Oh we should ask episode a couple but We should definitely bring it up. I think he's going to be on next episode. I should probably the next couple episodes away. Not sure it's at some point. He will be on again. That was great talking to yeah. We'll moth chat with him about it. So immediately lost my place in my notes which is a standard no. You're just fucking stretching for time. no. I'm actively googling black-eyed children's stories no and two thousand nine north carolina north carolina. A man was watching a movie alone when there was a knock at the door he figured is my roommate. He forgot his key. Whatever i'll go. Let him in fucking roommates. Yeah typical getting nevermind. Themselves out he He opened the door and he much to his surprise. There were two small kids standing right there and same thing as the previous stories immediately a sense of dread fill them and he realized they have like pure black is immediately his instinct was to just slam the door shut but he he had some restraint and he said hey. What do you want. He didn't look through the people. I he probably wouldn't have seen anything there so short but that's true. I think i realized there's a lot of people on my door. No but you have a big front window so it's easy for you to see when people are walking up any of that app. It's good for them. They can see into that's nice. I can't tactical roll out of the room and pretend like i'm not home. There's three cars in the driveway. I don't think i don't think you can see in. Put a marital. Yeah that's what i thought. Because that's when i took off all my clothes and greece myself up while you were working out in your front yard that one day you can never mind i about the different story. So yeah he hasn't. Hey what are you want. And they said oh. It's really cold out here. Can i come in and read. Yeah go home and read. That's what he should have said but he looked around and he realized there's no parents or adults around and the kids in unison took one step towards him and he did what i would not some shining shit man. There's a couple of bits that are. It's some some shining shit. I swear it's gotta be inspired by this shit odd but he. He slammed up fuck out of that door and the kids just started knocking again. Knock knock knock knock knock and the key in for a couple of minutes and then his window start rattling like they're shaking the window to try to open it so he shitting knocking on the door still knocking when they were rattling the windows. Yeah off and on. They would just rattle the fake. 'cause they were two kids. Oh i thought it was like all of his window started rattling us. I go there. It's like a gang of them. Always shed say league. They prefer the term league. Skating fucked up by the the black-eyed crips what we should've called title. You gotta start giving me more context. So that i can start making good good titles. Now we gotta just start naming like the tax title. Be different from the one in here. Yeah go for it all right. So yeah he crips black-eyed crips eventually it stops and he basically stays up all night. His roommate eventually comes back the next day and he shits himself he asks around the apartment building and of course. Nobody saw anything else. God typical typical. I like this one. This one's a little different north carolina outside a rally kerry kisner kisner kisner kerry. Kisner was walking to her car one night after just spending spending a pleasant evening at the mall so this was of course in the nineties. Oh this is very nineties. She was walking to her car and her she. She can afford to go to the mall because she's already paid her quest internet. Bill i for internet internet slash phone. Bill has already been paid. She's she's ready to go get some dazzle jeans. She bought the bedazzled jeans and him a matching denim jacket little. She know the whale tail was about to be invented a baby so she walked back to her car and she sees an old lady digging through purse with a just a twelve year. Old kid standing next door. So i go there are sold. Bitch is getting this kid some gum or something like who the fuck knows but as she gets closer she realizes that kid has a really weird like stiff rigid posture and he's extremely pale skinny and he has these really dark rings under his eyes like he hasn't slept for a couple of days so he looks like us. Yes except we're skinny. Yeah yeah sides that like a perfect and you know out of nowhere. She's close enough to realize these. You know more fine details. She is instantly acutely aware of how alone she was like it in the entire parking lot. It's just her these people So she starts to walk a little bit faster the dread sets in. She's basically jogging to her car but she kind of has to go pass them actually has to get a little bit closer to them before she can get to her car so She's she's almost your car and the kid looks up and they just make perfect eye contact. Oh orlando of what was that i said or lack thereof. I thought you said it was a sign of love that too but yeah he he she noticed oh he has just black is so she. She's basically fumbling with the keys about to get into her car. And the boy turns and walks directly away the old lady who standing there. She doesn't even notice. This kid is walking like she's still searching through her purse so she does what everybody else would do and gets in the car and fucking drives away and later. She said that it felt like the kid was reading her mind. The second she thought of him it felt like that's when he turned he was reading her mind. And yeah that's when he turned made contact. So so i'm guessing. This old lady was helping her out or helping this little kid out. Yeah may maybe. The old lady was being manipulated by this okay. So he's like. Hey lady do you have some fucking chocolate reasons for me. Those are the best. It would have been big at the time. That's when they were fucking peak peak reasons before they got taken over by capitalism and they started using shock shockley. So i'm sure like he so he was engaged with this older lady in the didn't as soon as she thought of the kid. That's when he turned. Yeah so you know who the fuck knows what the what these kids are trying to get. They seem to be wanting to get into your for movies into yeah mortal combat or into your house. They seem to not be able to go into Sorry without your permission they yeah. The you know the the soundproofing curtain no in this podcast studio. Oh oh yeah. Yeah over the saying like. I thought you were saying it was like an actual theory. No sake what i dunno. It's just moved wife muscle level one of the kids in no nice. I mean the door was still shut but okay. That was weird. I'm not going to think about that right now. it's too late yard. Have yeah i have. So how much of an impending doom do you feel right now. Let's let i feel safe. If i go to silent you just all all all carry it on barely earnings with me. No no i'll say. I'll say i will but i'm not i want one of the two. Ps of me one of the two dollars that we've been nobody. I mean we don't know what they want. Now they're always trying to get in. It's it's the same with these black eyed children in vampires police officers that they can't come in unless you have unless they have your permission or they smell marijuana. Yeah not new york anymore. Now that a but it's the same concept with like vampires. Yeah yeah it's pretty pretty similar to that and there are a couple of things in just different types of lower across the world that share that that you know needing to burn permission to come in like. That's not just a vampire thing in popular culture. that's the most. That's the most common one yet. There there are all sorts of different things that need permission. Allegedly i should say allegedly. But you know who knows maybe they. You know this old lady. Let one of the kids in and this is what happened. They were being manipulated and controlled for whatever furthers. Their own. Goals are there. Are there any folktales about like what they do like fear east on what their goals are. Are they trying to get like access to bodies. I don't fucking spit balling older. Generally you know getting your souls or testing your faith or you know the general morality that comes with old folk tales. Malysz took almost melissa beings a malicious malicious beings. Yes disney's hit movie being malicious beings beings. Yeah so it was being there. There is something similar in japanese lower. Sometimes they're portrayed as a trickster spirit who's trying to get into house and once they do that symbolic for them being able to get into your soul or something like that. I'm not all up to date on a lot of eastern mythology of course but it is interesting raj. All owners looked up the up the grudge kid to see if he was a black child. But he's got whites in his eyes. I can see the whiteson has is. You're right and that was the only time they've they've actually filmed one of these. No i wasn't sure if it was like in the same concept if like nine hundred garage you bastard buck you so i like this phenomenon. Because of the we have no idea what the fuck their their motives are You can make arguments for certain things. What what we think. They're you know doing but we have no idea. So i think they're just they're just astral orphans there just one love i think. Let them in. Let them in. Give them a hug. Yeah don't do that. It feels like impending doom. Because you don't know what the future holds with that that child it could be great. It could be terrible but just take them to an animal shelter and drop them off. We'll about time so another story. Similar of course similar setup. Your you know now that you know everything about you. Know the general flow of these stories. This dude was at an An apartment no. He was at a gas station doing his nightshift. When the power went off our he wasn't worried about it because there was some really bad wind. Some really bad weather earlier so he just figured as probably from that so we went to the back. Turn on the generator and the generator kicks on. And it'll run the pumps and will run like two lights inside. So he just goes inside. He says and sits there and gets on. His phone does whatever and two kids out of the dark in the middle of the night. Roll up on bicycles. Oh shit just to. It's the black eyed crips again. The they're rolling up the but you know they're they're basically it's like they're coming out of the night into one of the few lights were turned on with the generator. Which is a great setup to a movie this. This feels like like wall. The intro credits are rolling. This is the scene. It is exactly that so they they roll up. Sarah michelle gellar. Who else is i see list act. I all mark movie. I'm just going to start listening. Scooby doo people. Freddie prince junior scooby doo scooby scrappy. Do now get him outta here. Did you know another. This is major fucking going off track in for the. I think it's the sex. Is it the first movie that has scrappy do the like. Cgi was really bad. I don't know the favorables awful and are you. I think it's the first one has scrappy. Do they asked Tim curry to be in it and he was so down they had it all lined up But he backed out last minute because he found out scrappy do was going to be in the movie and he was like no. I'm not doing that shit eight scrappy. Do i don't blame him. Scrappy do shit. I wouldn't i wouldn't have done it. I would have done it. Not if you had tim curry money. This is true. But i don't have tim curry money. Yeah and i'm about that scoop. The scooby snacks. I'm about that school by in about that. Scrap so lights flicker yeah. Bikes roll up bikes. Roll up to kids. Get off the bike. The black-eyed crypts get off their bike. It slow motion shot to their all black air force. One's gotta have product placement in this movie volume. Of course it's not going to pay for itself. And he they they basically walk up to the door and like they don't come in because all the lights are off so maybe they haven't been invited in. Well he doesn't know oiler alert so they they ask them to use the phone so through the door. Hey can we use your phone just saying through the door and opens the door. Oh i see you missed that part trying to make jokes from this series topic focused. I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about making this into a movie. The first pressure points movie. I'll be great. So they Yeah he he basically takes out his cell phone and hands it to earth the door and she says This little girl says no. I need the real one and she points the landline and now that like she like gets weirdly angry about it. No so they're hipster. Kids take xactly. I want us fucking landline. But when she pointed to the landline. Because there's up on the counter. She was short. Her head popped up and he realized he she doesn't have is. He panics swings. The door shut locks it and the kids. Just stand there and stare at him like illuminated by the one light and he's just in the dark building. Fuck that and the two kids are just standing there. And they're just looking at him blank faces and then they after a couple of minutes they just turn around pick up their bites bikes and ride off into the night on to the next gas station onto the next schmuck the next one with a landline accused the the movie title the black-eyed beans boom the black beans and black eyed peas beans. So i wasn't able to find fergie virgo. Bill i am. It's all the off name. Black piece had. This is why you can't do these episodes. It's because you want them to be dark. And i will not allow that you want and that's okay no. I'm i'm hoping with your coping mechanism because there's one in your room right now. I hope it's breathing down my neck. No that's just me mount good So i was able to find one last story and this one was of one of the rare times where somebody actually lets them in. Oh fuck yeah so. There's a heavy heavy as blizzard. Going on in vermont. Of course luckily they were able to keep their power. Because it's mostly run on renewable energy. Thanks to bernie. Sanders was going to say. Because they're not texas yeah. They're not a libertarian. Wet dream okay. So there's a there's a couple they're living in this house of course and does a bang on the front door wife wakes up goes down. Looks out the window and there's not a car in front of their house but she sees some like footprints going up to her door is like ooh. I'm kind of creeped out. For no reason. Of course and she goes up wakes up. Her husband husband comes down answers the door and basically they freak out because there's two kids barefoot and like white nightgowns two two little girls and they they letter and they don't even hesitate. They open the door. Come on come on in like let's get you out of the cold. fuck shit. Are they old like old couple now. They're pretty damn. I twenty like grandma. Grandpa now would make you not know now for mont. It's not clint. She actually does. He expressed hell. Yeah that sounds good and she asked him basically the husband's like trying to stay awake just sitting there and the wife is making some hot chocolate and asking him he What are you guys doing out like. Where where are you from. What are you. Why are you here in the middle of a blizzard and the only answer they would give is. Our parents will be here soon. They just started singing. Where's the love. What are you doing out here. Are parents will be here soon. Why are you out. Our parents will be here soon. Where are your parents. Parents will be here soon. Like that's it. Oh broken record. Find new fucking sentence kids. Yeah they're not creating jesus but she She hands him too hot chocolate. And when they look up to grab the mugs because they're mostly just kind of looking down their feet like they were shy of course jet. Black eyes eyeball. It's not a lot of dimension to him and in like she was already nervous but that was like her stomach. Do you know that feeling like stomach drops. These aren't the kids. i thought they were. Yeah i let demons in my house whoops but it was almost like sensed that ooh maybe we shouldn't have looked up but they both in tandem asked to use the bathroom. Say i need to use the battle. They should've at least gotten hot chocolate first before they made non. I conduct their chocolate. Don't worry okay. I think you're focusing on the wrong part i am. I'm focusing on. I always focus on the wrong part on these stories. Yeah sure but yeah. It's a little creepy that they say it at the same time but basically to the bathroom exactly just like that now. That's what i want from these stories. I need to pee pee. I need the pp sponsored by pressure points. Bought a being baby so she. She basically trying to not be freaked out. Still trying to convince yourself are just normal. Little girls. And i'm just tired. She points them to the bathroom and they walk together. The the the white of the snow has it's affected my dilated pupils. It it's just the lighting. It's the lighting in the house they have regular is totally fine So the door shuts the bathroom door shuts and immediately her husband gets a bloody nose. God what a bitch she goes to grab a. I didn't say she gave him a bloody nose. I didn't say she was the bitch. Oh adzic maybe. He shouldn't have been picking his nose shouldn't have been snorting that coke his his nosers dry because it's wintertime. He probably his finger up. They're tired of shit. Forgot the kids. Were there cut. His nose is bleeding. That's the most like nothing has nothing to do with the black eyed crips. Nothing at all except that they hate blood and fucking suburban white people. I don't know but she she went to grab a tich vermont and the power goes out. So they're they're shit so there's some light coming into the window. She grabs a tissue. She goes back kind of across from the kitchen back to the living room. And you have to kind of pass the hallway. And i'm just imagining year house throughout this whole thing. Oh in that case. I'm like oh yeah so you. You take a left into the studio ages recording. And that's where you train them you got to get past the The soundproof blanket. He's right there easy so she's return with the Tissue and she looks down the hallway and illuminated in the light from streetlight. Are the two girls standing there in complete silence. And she's just standing there on the other end of the hall frozen. Her husband's probably being a bitch somewhere with his nose. Honey i'm getting in the carpet. Get me my tissues woman. God well yours this A crash in early two thousands. Okay so he's probably say that it's fair so fair to assume says. Get your bleach. Jean shorts in your whale tail here no. It's it's winter in vermont. They're definitely they're wearing the bernie sanders mittens right now and just long underwear. You're hot chocolate. Gave me a bloody nose. Carol god damnit saying they're sending their completely silence after a few seconds. They both say in unison. Our parents are here. Do it in your voice which one you parents are here now. That's what the two little girls picked girls. Yeah our parents are beautiful. Just like that and they. They basically walked down the hallway together in unison. Go out the front door and they can see out the front door and out the front window and there's just a black car there and there two dudes standing next to the car in full suits. Oh that's good. Yeah that's fantastic. I'm so glad this. This episode has gay representation. Finally it definitely so. I'm so glad that both of their fathers were there. So they got in the car. Dude got in the front of the car they got in and they drove away and they're just sitting there like what the fuck just happened. Can you imagine this shell shock. God her parents are here. Shit honey the fbi just pulled up in front of the house ditch. The the black eyed crips just leave and hop into the the black truck out front at ditch the weed so couple couple months within within a couple of months. Her husband was diagnosed with an aggressive for of skin cancer. She would get regular nosebleeds all the time so and both of their health declined rapidly to the point where she said it was. This is a worse that it had ever been in her life. Oh night they were always sick. They were always fighting something off or getting diagnosed with something new and starting a new medication and it was just awful and She she wrote about this a year after it happened. They were still having health problems. Her husband got over the cancer but it recently relapsed and she was still just didn't constantly that wintry day it was so cold it gave him cancer. That's more likely. Why is that. So mike something i would say. Yeah i'm cold out there. I got cancer d- so yeah don't don't let a man or you're going to get cancer or become demented old woman but if you want to see very well dressed gay couple. Let them inside. The dads will come get them. It'll be a good experience. I really wrong as you can. Take my word for it. Just don't let them into my house. If i see two kids without eyeballs. I'm letting them into your house. And then i'm leaving. I'll i'm gonna leave the door that i'm gonna video chat you and just say hey. Keep me posted. I want to see what happens. They're not in my place. good luck. now. I'll i'll just keep that. Yeah the door at the top of my stairs open. Because they're blind so they'll just fucking blind they just don't have is. I mean it's more likely that we're gonna find to blind kids than to black kids. I think i don't know. I don't know if we find blind twins we need to interview them on the on the show. Yeah we'll ask them what their favorite moment in history is. What was your favorite moment. History that you you like your favorite memory that you saw them everything. I was away everything that has to do with vision. What's your favorite color The void what's your favorite flowered deserve to be killed by like black eyed children. I can't wait until you start getting weird knocks on the when you're eighteen it. I can't wait. I didn't even let the fuck thirteen-year-old jehovah's witness grow into my house when it was like four hundred degrees outside tin youngsters in that group and instead dudes yeah no remember the two dudes are standing there and then that little girl popped out behind the one with the fuck. Go back and listen to our. Our show won't asshole. You're trying to artificially inflated the numbers. Yeah right well have black eyed children there i it now i can say i did it. I like the stories. Even though de ruins them. Every time i were were comedy. Podcast what do you expect. I think we fall more hundred comedy than than or paranormal. No definitely history. I. that's fair history. I bad comedy second. Yeah then paranormal. Who only funny to ourselves. What you got really matters. That's where it matters most. But that's good i enjoy it. I hate when you do these episodes and enjoyed. I enjoy it when you do paranormal stuff when you start off with it i'm like fuck but then when you get further into it. I'm mike you know this was fun i enjoy. I like it's like. I said i enjoy the stories i enjoy thinking about it and mocking your stories and making them to be way less scary than they probably really are. But i enjoyed it. I thought i quit well. Podcast is failing fe j. quits. It's not continue. I will not carry this on. No you couldn't you don't have to fuck that now. Do you have the patron list pulled up. I do oh so prepared. Reason number two why i would just cut this off at the knees if you left it so special thanks our patrons you can check us out. Whatever it is. Patriotic dot com slash is point so pressure i oklahoma. 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Episode 7 - The Butcher & The Breadknife

Bad Boys

1:22:23 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 7 - The Butcher & The Breadknife

"This is the show. The Look of the big that men face with two guys that have been there done that and got locked up for it fresh from cell fifty-three with stories to tell that will make you wonder how goodman can become such bad boys live chats interviews and the occasional bad prison joke. It's time to get real and get raw with Shannon. Darren saying the bad boys. Welcome to the bad boys show we Podcast of the show is a podcast. It's a podcast. It's up podcast. You know what we've actually been doing. I dialing show every single day diet now too so we look at if we've been doing daily show and if you if you want a fix of us every single day during the week it's You can actually find us on our chains of it apple topping fad boys breakfast so and my we have some fun and you know we come up with. I don't know I dam where comes from from some way I. It's a little voice in my head. So look you know. Yesterday we were talking about And and if you can you can just picture these when we start. We got a little bored with some points on and I looked up ready to stop the show yesterday and I went. What is and we just out of the show. No wait I actually have no idea what we're talking about. What are we talking about a little bit by surprise because I'd been practising a few things? Yes Banana Bat as I do I get out and about a little bit run very often. Well I had a bat and I run an exercise and I've been to Kohl's movers. Dan Too few shopping centers. They're not sane these stickers on the ground sign practicing social distancing right so I thought I don't think I'll paint practicing social distancing. Saw better start practicing this thing. If people are telling us to do it will bar dot ought to do it. Otherwise there'll be left behind but like I said yesterday following a pretty girl at one and a half million for me when they turn around and you know far enough away. I haven't been Nice jet. But if I keep practicing these social distancing oh I think I'll get it right. So what do you mean by practicing social look at the signs and look at the l prime minister season? Yeah people get out and make sure you practice social distancing in line when you practice something that means you've got to be practicing you get better at it and you'll get good at one diane. You'll you'll you'll go we'll wismar deployment in social distancing so I thought I'm going to research decency if there's some sort of deployment missing out or you know there's a type coal so something in social distancing and what have you found out. There isn't one there is no. There is no diploma. You need to start plimer up. I think what I think will do now. I want to be the first. The very first in Australia. Might be in the Wilderness. This is something could be the first in the world to become a social distancing coach like a life coach Eilly Betta only bitter people are going to love me because I he's not no no not not Cheryl Cheryl you need a little bit too close it. I don't sneeze dear dear through right now going. It's all gone so I'm out the shine on practicing. I will keep practising until I'm of accreditation. And then we'll be able to posit accreditation onto you and teach you. So I could be your first social distancing student correct so I'll be the first coach and you'll be the first student you know where they don't practice social distancing stat. Little biggest pretty much zero social distance. You shared a cell dame when we close rolled. I've landed on East Tummy wrong. That would two different bids by the way will you could call it that. China you can call it that now. Look we've already been accused of of being married in prison and holding each other's pockets. You just fueling that fire. Look I feel any far. Say now. There's a lot of fires they get fueled in prison. And so we are going to talk about the fuelling of fire. We're going to be talking about anger management And we have decided to call this episode. The butcher in the Britain which we come obvious for various reasons that I didn't I witnessed it but but it wasn't me. I wasn't holding. Listen I witnessed your rage times in the go in in the kitchen. Look you know. I'm not a violent person it's about. Wow you used to go off. Well I look. I know I have been accused. I have been accused of being one of those angry penguins from Madagascar crazy penguins. You know because when I get in the car I know I'm driving along and all of a sudden things that just jumping out at me like you know. There's a car coming from the left and the pedestrian walking out there and like I'm just I turned into this psychotic penguin. Doing one hundred sixty nine people are gonNA jump out everywhere of course. Moving talk traveled a decent spend enormous Beta died by the speed limit dogs now Tanya. I'm just a magnet for crazy people. We that funny you say that. Because you're a magnified Christ pulling people used to throw shit at you and everything you know literally throwing. They weren't monkeys through monkeys in prison guards so given it. I was actually going to call this episode the last temptation of Steve. But it sounds too dull but no one. You may stay nothing. You couldn't call him down at all not at all. He was quite interesting. And the other thing. We're GONNA talk about today to which leads onto the the this whole issue. Is You know the fee that we have in prison And the fear that currently exists in prison with the whole corona virus. Let's can look we start cooling see nineteen or something. I'm nineteen. I'm sick here. In Corona virus is our bars really secret. Okay can we cola. Let's call it since nineteen say nineteen. Does it lets the whole right. And I'm sick of it. Because Corona be is losing customer by S- by calling it Karar paypal. Just call it. Say Nine tainted blood easier anyway. Exactly the other thing. I do want to mention before we get into you. Know the the four weekly show. Is that if you go over to our facebook page. We are launching a competition and the competition is when a date with Dez errands date with destiny. And this was not my idea. But you know I'm a I'm a God when you day something or when you know. He's a competition for you on. I'm here all roll with it. Mulkey. We're we're doing this because in in last week's episode you talked about Your Partner. Yes all right and we just want to let all of the the single ladies of the world know that you don't need to be hot perkin because the big day is available. I am single. I've been single for some six months or something like that but you know. Hey Look I'm still friends with my ex partner. Great Gold doing her thing which is three months. But I'm Jay feels like six months. 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Yeah I can't take you to a restaurant but you know what I can show you my true cell phones zoom. Good time on now. We will be having dinner and stuff like that. So as we said go through L. L. Jump on to apple apple search for bad boys brick for shy and listened to be disappointed disappointed. Not Too much disappointed. Jump THAT PEOPLE SO LOOK. I want to talk about this whole anger issue. That happens because a lot of there's a lot of talk bad at the moment. You know people going in for nonviolent offenses and that they that they really shouldn't be in there but what ends up happening when you go into prison is that you end up getting angry for whatever reason sees nothing small things you know so you know. I remember when you were in prison and something happened on the fine anyway. You got really angry. And this was the Chinese mafia incident. Well say of a morning I used to get up very early. Got FOR A walk but I call my partner at the time and six six thirty in the morning and jump on the fire and and because I go there because it was really quite around but there was a group of guys that used to do a PT session Nelson Willy. And he thought about going to do it neither farms. There's a grassy area out there and doing these peace pt session. And Wow though so noisy. And I'm Tony. He my partner on the fine and she was going through a few issues and and whatnot so always trying to you know that. Oh Oh I'm here for you and these guys were really noisy and Audie soldats it. I've had enough. I've had enough and popped up. Enough said shucked up up guys for goodness on the day five always yelling these anger so angry. I lost my shit. Can I say yeah? I think actually I slam the find out. Hang on Bank Barn. I've walked to the edge of the way these concrete area wasn't giving it to these doors shopped. Up Up you fellas up on the side and I was just fuming fuming of storm back to the farm picked up the phone we were. We were finishing the conversation now. We hadn't quite finished in one of the guys has come up on. This brought. Assad me and he was one of the the Chinese guys in and he's Is come up with the shoulder up games being said what? You're back on God. Yeah it was serious and They will walk. Dolphin stuffing that's fun. I said my pace solve gone back down to my unit chest up told those guys off looking may or good and another please. Omran means it does come out. He said I'll walk you similar to tell you something. Okay what's going on? I want to leak in the gauze. You told to shut up this morning at the Chinese Mafia. Oh my God i WanNa pull us for a minute. Because that's what I did a post ship myself. I bet you detail those puckering. Wow that's cool Tony's mafia like. Oh my God okay. So Darren compose yourselves. What am I doing. I think you need to own apologize. Well what if they come my throat? I Apologize I'll lose a finger or hand. I think you just need to apologize. God I walked around all morning sweating shitting pissing all the rest of it. Obviously I was kind of nervous as you would be. Yeah so that all bucket. I need to do this. So gone out. Went up to this unit and he will sitting around playing cards. Those movies where you see them playing cards in and putting hand on there and they'd like all his goodbye. We'RE GONNA lose three fingers. I'm like I lose three fingers. That's I can do with that. But the guy who nudge me sitting. That's it woke David Heymann handout and he stood up and I shook his hand and I said really really sorry. I was angry this morning. My my family's going through some things and you know what a lost apologized to you. I really do. He stood there and look. I mean the on here comes in ways. The NAF someone's coming from behind him. Sure I can feel someone behind me. He put his arm round me. Gave me a hug and said thank you always good. He's all God he's all good or not. I mean she's a setback down and I walked away thinking it really Oklahoma or is it just silent. It's all good for now as you go to bed tonight leading left-hand missing but it won't wake up and go like up dead. That's pretty ordinary. But I saw them after that the next night and he always said good morning in Hawaii so I thought I did the right thing and I think it was the whole respect in the Bulls woke up and say I'm sorry I just want to know where they caught on on the basketball court after that there. Were some points where you went to hang the phone. Do you back off. Now I'd like you. I had similar issues and you didn't have similar. You had a lot of a lot of issues inside because I'm fairly slightly built man you what slightly built in what way you know. I. I'M NOT I wouldn't consider myself Muscley. Tell you one big muscle telly. Telly tubbies and there was a couple of times where I thought that maybe my bowls were bigger than what they really were. And I decided to step out and it happens man up testosterone them stuff so maybe this one day and one time at Band Camp I was. I just knew there was this. There was this guy. We're GONNA call him Beza. You know. Good Obasanjo Bazzar. He was an and just so you know we try not to use real names in this show for obvious reasons you know. There's that whole China his mouth anyway. Basil was the cleaner in the unit. So he was the one that might show. The unit was done the union clean and he had this habit of. We're all getting ready for for work because we would go to work in various places that we work. Well I went to work. I don't know what you did. Well no I I was. I was in the kitchen ever used to complain about the fact that this guy would mop the floor as they were all getting ready to work. He couldn't wait five minutes. Everyone left and then he go right. It'd be knowing that there'd be no one in the unit height like Shit and then just mop retired content but instead he would toll meant himself by mopping while everyone say and then complain about it and Berate about it and it was just you could see that he was just doing it because he just wanted something to winge about loved instead so anyway on you knew this one day you know you get to a point and you just. I am just going to stay shit today because I feel like it. I wanted to. You'll barometer just sort of guys did happen did it was just like boom okay and I picked up my Coffee Cup flip these lead said watch this to one of the guys that was the anyway. I've walked across the floor. That was as you put your boots in the in the garden as well and he's gone what are you doing and I said Emptying my Coffee Cup. No you're not and I wanNA watch me Jeez for a slightly built guy. That doesn't have a lot of muscles bulls man. I'm pretty dumb some so I've walked past him and I've gone to the sink in. I've put the you know the company in the sink and I've walked back to sign him back over any stop me and he just he said don't go back over that floor or else now authorities say. I thought he said he'd kill. Ya something like he did like my next thing he you know like at that point you you Gotta. Stop thinking to yourself. You know like if if something happens here am I gonNa go through with it among GonNa really be man enough to go through with it. Well at that point. Tom Wasn't thinking at all. And I just popped chase down a step closer to him and he said if you really want to kill you and I went okay. Did you PUCK PUCK? Actually nine I know I was always in the Bulls. Yeah dangling them in front of hooked saving. You need these guys. I said go on troy show now. I knew that outside. Everybody hit gathered at the window and they're all watching this all new. Let's like blood so I pushed past him. You know I did the whole the whole soul to push pasta and she said you had you. Did you hit somebody else's bulls to can you have full respite? And I and I said I said going troy and I both passed him over to the door. Anyway as I opened the door I knew I knew that he had actually picked up the map right and he used it like a javelin towards and just as I close the screen door behind me the mop hits mop. I you know Bang. She's that was close. Vote outside and I just went under my under my breath. I closed my eyes and it was his speaks. I relief the January. Vote Away just people. I didn't know I kept holding onto him and I put my shoes on and I walked and I walked just thought I'm getting away from here. I'm just going to keep on moving. Anyway I went back a little bit later on and Because I had to do do launch on to Cook Coke Utan. Stay away from the unit all day. Anyway one of the guys can come up to me afterwards and you know it. Lovely Boys Names Rooney. You Know He. He looked good Ole Rooney. He looks like Mickey Rooney. He looked like Mickey Rooney. Anyway he comes up and he said you know what? I always thought that you are a bit of a GEIC. But he said you went up in my opinion and at that point I realized that it wasn't me being an ego version of myself. This was may actually standing up for myself and going. If I don't stand up for myself if I was to actually back down default by the fall I would obtain someone's bitch will typically will. The wrist of the unit would respect so that. That's what happens. It's it's not only that guy it's the whole it's the whole unit all the whole child because it spreads like wildfire through the hull. Gile that get your your your easy your target and you know you're just pissing wind by exactly exactly and that and that's the thing. It's the measure of Maine when you can stand up and say I know that I'm right. Yeah and it's not and again it's actually it's not even about being wrought it's about standing up saying you know what? I know that I'm doing the right thing and I haven't done anything wrong. And Democrat. Who's standing in front of you? I mean. Listen? I've got a gun pointed to the middle of Question Guy You know you win. But but see the thing. The thing is that that you know after lunch You know everyone comes back for lunch. And he was there and I went up to him afterwards and held my hand out and said you know have that we put this behind us and she shook my hand and he said he said. I got a lot of respect for you as to what you did. And he said Adilson had a bit of a thought about the whole muffing when everyone's busy and minimum afterwards guy right so we got the point across stood Ma grand and he was fine after that in fact in fact he he actually had my back a few times in prison which was really interesting and remember you. Actually he asked you for some some advice and Yes oh no he and he says the seriousness over Roy. This poor guy was actually a ward of the state which means that he had no family. He grew up as a you know in in foster homes. The whole time He when he went into prison. You know the basically the government came in sold all of these assets so he had no house. He's kids didn't want to know him. This was a this was a situation where this pull burger was actually so angry at the system angry at the world. Yes the world had done this to him and you know. I had a run in with the same guy. Yes you're actually because you told me about him in. There was a lot of issues in your unit in relation to him. Yeah and remember you and allies sitting down the front of where the officers were. The office were every morning every day to work and the like. These people are everywhere. There's people around anyway. He used to do. The robby. Fron with the goal is so the tractor combusted. Have a big trailer on the back of the truck and they sit on the back of the tractor and now coming pass no standing there just having a chat with you in you know as a dog just look up and when you look up and you say someone you sort of you know. There's someone looking at me and he's looking back but then he looked at me again as you you look. How didn't he lose his shit? He did he went off. What the fuck you looking at any swearing and yelling at me and yelling at me and again it was that whole point of either. I stand there and just take it all I can find it and what did I do? You confronted all walked straight over to where he was hit the track to stopped he helped off and walk straight up into his face and said what's going on. Hi why you haven't called me. I did nothing wrong here. Yeah and might. I'm just looking at you. That's all I'm doing. And he stood there. I mean he looked around on looked around and there was there was offices. There were people everywhere. I mean this could turn human and putting the D. U. and sin back and we were standing face to face tied Atari and then we both walked off that often unit as always did when I got back from work. You know you're in the kitchen so we're having Beyond and you said to me you said look I think you made a guy say basim because see I think he. He's thinking that this morning was pretty ordinary so went down to his room and knocked on his door and he opened the door to send might height but handicap dislocated and canes and he said might all good he we'd we'd go on an MBA from that day on again. Same thing you'll never had an issue with him not not because that's all it needs just needs something to defuse the situation like that and I think there a lot of situations that happened inside where they could have been diffused. You know a lot a lot easier. But they weren't and they escalated and you know one of those you know there was a there was one guy and his name was Steve. You know and Steve. Steve was a little bit on edge the whole time in our member. He little bit little. He was standing room. Only Holy Duly became my slushy Roy. So a slushy slashing is another term using prison a slushy is someone that helps clean up the kitchen. You know when the the cook makes an absolute mess like me which you do. You'll slushy for million bucks see one. Mri MESSY CHEF. Oh God I loved it. I love cooking. Can I say but you know it looked shine. You've all seen him with these. He likes to throw things around like he's talking about himself. You know that's right flower. He's it's very flair there. I'd make an absolute mess. Well you know he was. He was he was cleaning. They would be meinie times when I would walk past the kitchen back to my cell and he would just be standing there at like in the kitchen. Just staring as a wo- past man who is so unnerving anew anew this guy had some serious serious issues and and I remember this one time I look back at him and I I just stated him and I just went. What's what is it. What's the problem? Anyway he looked at me and it was just it was. This was so scary. He looked Amini said on many getting off. I'm GonNa slit your throat the hook. Oh no look. I'm going to punch your breakage right. Now you know you know. We'll just retracted right up a laptop to that people understand. You can't look you room now. You can look look room. I'm thinking what's going to happen to me. I mean like to the mall. I mean this guy like I just wanted to have a ton you said you're a magnet for this sort from no months. Anyone grew lots of gray hair while always. I was in solid because a year old because of it. What are you talking about so you know I. He came up to me afterwards any thinking. Oh God any wound me right in the room like you know the whole opened the door like you're talking about with that guy that wanted to be friends with you. You know well guys standing at the door and he said I want to talk to you about about what just went down. I'm just feeling a little bit. Find at this point thinking home. What I'm wondering whether he has something in his hand behind his back as like a what have you lost your balls. So he said Look. Something comes over me now a now. I just want to back back for a second because I knew that this guy every Sunday when I was doing the roast he would always disappear. He would never ever help me like dish larose down never never he would never be and the reason is he would go to chapel now. I think that's pretty important for him to get a table. Jebel as many times. Your and I'm thinking to myself. I'm hoping that meeting Jesus every Sunday is actually going to make you a better person. A part of me was thinking you know. Is this guy for real? Is he doing it just because you know he wants to look good on these raw? So as I'm going along with it you know or any way he says to me. Something comes over me when I get angry. And I'm thinking ways this going. What a cloud like is oppression and he said Nar Satan takes over else get worse. Well he wants to throws citing takes I can. I'm picturing the exorcist. At that point you sort of really considering becoming a priest point there. I'm thinking I need to get my holy water out. He actually was was saying that site in tanks over his his body and he's thoughts more first question is added to get heritage. He get to the FEMME. I know era with issues like that. How did he make it to the farm and my question is why? Blame it on the table. That pulled bug has got enough going on like you're going to blame this on him as well seriously as you you know. So like he's talking about this and and and I'm just like okay. Well I think you need to go and see the priests that comes in every Sunday because that'd be really good ideal. Father Kill Raleigh station with him run because he might be able to help you and it wasn't until I found out a bit more about this. This guy that it just everything seemed to fall in place and I started to realize what this guy actually. You know. 'cause he look he came up afterwards after that. Then again you know marine standing in the kitchen and we'd have some good conversations and he looked he said. Look the reason why I know that the devil takes over every time. I say that I shudder like this. Is like you know Ted Bundy. Sort of stuff right. The Devil takes over the reason why the devil takes over is that. I was sexually abused as a child for for fifteen years by my father. That'll do every time I'm like. Yeah well now. I know who the devil his. Let's be really honest right. And so what this guy was doing was. He was compartmentalizing his thinking and anything. That was bad that was happening to him was the devil. 'cause that realistically that was the only way he cope with things right now. That comes back to us as being guys us as being ause. We don't talk about issues that have happened to happen to us. We'll have a dose in the past and I think that's why you know what Andrew Hackett he's doing with the secret. Men's business is such right thing. Dwayne have an awesome show. Because you know it it's it's delving into the issues that you and I have seen or when I have even experienced as men we don't go out and we spruch and talk about and that's what happens when you when you put that stuff to the becky mine. Some really serious issues. That have happened to you in your past. They see they have to come out sometime. Yeah they they cannot suppress that stuff forever. Young and there it is. That's what happens in it comes back to the system not going. Hi this guy's got some issues from the past that we need to fix. Yeah Yeah let's just put him in jail. Yeah Yeah exactly and and you know who as guys wear dealing with a lot of stuff and I'm and I'm not I'm not saying women don't deal with it either but you know guys in particular here because that's what we witnessed guys go through a lot of stuff that that they carry themselves. They don't talk about women at least we'll talk about it. They'll get it off their chest. Have cry everything will be good for the most part of the most? And then there's a lot of women that don't talk about issues in NATO as well but for the most part women are good at talking about their emotions which is always bloody awful at talking about emotions. We just go You know what everything's good everything's fine. Let's go out having a beer. We'll be right and it's not it's not it's just compounding the issue yeah making the issue far greater than what it probably could've if you'd knocked it on the head earlier and I'm one of those I'm one of those all went through a lot from a young boy as well going through The boarding school systems and things like this and it can come back and bought you in her you and not necessarily in anger. It can hurt you and all the different ways in within your life with you moving forward and I understand that. And that's why I think. What Andrew Dwayne doing his really awesome the gauze need the bloody will talk. Yeah exactly definitely check that out on Apple It's just coming out. It's cold secret. Men's business and they have some really good conversations on that and people don't understand that Andrews Piketty guy and Dwayne is numbered later. Yeah Yeah and so. We're actually going to be having a chat with Dwayne soon We're we're also going to be having a chat with them with the doctor Talia Anthony. She's going to be on talking about the Just some of the the effects that are actually happening with this hoke corona virus thing nineteen China United States. Say Non Tenure. Please say Zane. Do you want me to write it on the board. Yeah right on the board because you know I. I think it's important. They ninety hundred nineteen come on. Let's change it people to say nine team because I'm frigging sick of hearing corona involved. Got The screen cremades coming literally in the bad boys. Bunka and cream trucks going fast. Well the orange tree chocolate back. Go give me an ice cream. Oh Hi Lucas. Say Nineteen is done. That's right hacking the offscreen main be driving around in an ice cream truck during the corona virus. He's doing business he is. He's got something to do well. He's actually stopped in front of airplanes. But we're has the ice cream truck going now. They're back now they're back. Everyone support your local ice cream truck. That's the old school businesses back on track again. Make sure he's got a Karenna. Virus approved seeds teen. I'm going to have to run that. I haven't bar code nine. Nineteen see nineteen safe. So you know just before we have a chat with Dr Thalia You know we are going to. We are going to talk about the butcher in the breadknife. It's an epic story how we are going to talk about. We're GONNA talk about that at the end but just before we do that. I know you've had running with the Chinese mafia. You've also had a run in with a mad rush to whether that Russian okay. Sorry Picture when we went up to see we were down in the bottom units to start with and then we moved up to what they call heights block and it's a bunch of donkeys put together. You know the camp donors and that was kitchen. It was quote rule. Might up it was quote will done. But you don't have made up of what they're like five or six rooms toback and the wools pipe. Athene every night. I had this guy next door to me. He's nine with what was his name is name was. Let's just call him nigger band rushing ed the Mad Russian well. He was next door and a on Nano ten o'clock at Noida. He'd start renovating it was it was it was like the local. Remove Chuck coming to take him out and move somebody else in. I'm going to move the disk. He no not like it here. I'm going to these banging and crashing. Oh God what is either is throwing himself around the room will he was. He was actually digging in a skype tunnel which it could just out of the fence skip. He's not going to help him but anyway he just looked at the front tank. Teaspoons Y- you can literally get. He get out at any stage but it was lucky he. He was beating kicking off in the room. Look how Loyd look for bruises Renovating so it. Got The better of me because this oblast for hours literally two one two o'clock in the morning but you also gotta remember. The lockdown was a little earlier and so where we would normally stay up until eleven o'clock twelve o'clock not normally in on a on a on a weekday. You're in bed by like thirty. Nine o'clock yeah so one morning I had. It had the better of me I remember. Union was Yoon Adam. I think he was sitting at the table. At the and having ranker's well having breakfast doesn't do something about this. 'cause I've had enough of of Ned. The Mad Russian renovating his his his room anyway. So knits come in and he always used to walk out is Vladimir Dot no-shirt on but I'm going to come out of my room guerrilla Wilkie and he's here he went up to him and said Nid look. I've had enough done what you're doing and they're not about. Can you please stop renovating until one or two o'clock in the morning well did say the Mad Russian heat went off his tree? He started yelling at me in Russian. He was throwing his arms around in the air of all. This is great so all I went backed up as well because I'd had enough. I had no sleep and so right up always yelling both yelling and next thing you know. Everyone's running out from all the other units and whatnot safe. There's going to be a fought. There was people there how much Tomba got lived he. Yeah I don't WANNA go back to maximum security of IVA flight now. This is not good. I've got like a month. The guy and it was so stood up always so angry. I walked over to a table. And the only thing I could do is grab my bloody cereal bowl and I threw it over the fates. Terp this thing you sort it we nearly had skippy in the head launched. I like this fences like a fifteen twenty eight high fence and I'll have launched right over the top of the fence it landed out in the paddock. Somewhere and the Mad Russians looking at me. He looked This guy's crazy. He walked off and I'm still standing fuming. Everyone's waiting for thinking is that it is that it's just GonNa be a cereal bowl throwing thing and that's that was the end of it but you know what he kept renovating he did. Didn't he didn't stop the whole time. He was hitting renovating. I had no idea what he was doing now. I thought you know I've got a little bit of time left of Jessica. I'm going to notch Dan. It's fine I can send that I mean my only concern when you flip that ball. I was thinking thank God. It wasn't my boat because I wasn't finished arms cranky. I was so angry. And you know those times when you are really WanNa hit this guy. But don't you find that like that things little things set you off in there? That's every single time. We have on the line a doctor that is actually being responsible for a a letter. That's gone out to The government about this Whole covert nineteen lockdown. Issue that securing. And we're going to have a chat with her about that but but also on the whole theme of Of the of Anga you know we. We want to touch on the fact that that the whole anger in prison is really being Amplified with this whole corona virus. Oh can you imagine if we were in now? I mean we were doing nine months. But if we're in now and this whole lockdown was taking place I mean. We enjoyed the fact that we could have visitations every weekend from loved ones and phone calls. Can you imagine being in their locked down not being able to see them? And this whole issue on the outside happening. But I've seen you go. I wouldn't want my brick bowl off the table. Okay I had a couple of anger. She's always until I go. Cute is now so we've got Dr Thala Anthony on the phone and on the line she's going to have. We're going to chat with her about this whole issue. How are you Talia? Yeah I'm good. I mean you know what's really funny is gearing people saying that being stuck at harm. Will those people quarantined in the hotels coming back from says that it's like being in a prison like you've got no idea her in a prison that annoys the hell? Outta me actually had really really does you know they getting their meals and China and I said the other day one of the shows I said shine what do you hold is he said Yeah. We'll stay hotel. Well what are they complaining about? Exactly when they signed what they're saying is that the food is is a bit ordinary like you know they get it wrapped in plastic and here it is and it's like well at least it's wrapped in plastic. Do they get your lucky to prison? Did they get just him upon apple and some salad for lunch every day? To make your it nigh probably because they have to fight over the toast get chased around the block. Because you know some some big fellow Ricans at you've stolen his tastes and lineup Finland up for your feet now. They have to get strip search before they go into the hotel. I duNNo a Christian unemployed certainly no strip says wear anyway just so so Elliott. Tell us a little bit about. I mean like we've been talking this episode of anger and a lot of the people that are currently in prison at the moment is I think forty six percent of the people that are in prison. I ran for non violent offenses yet. Things like what what's happening with this whole. Look down in the carnivorous. Do you feel that. It perpetuates Anga yet. Angry An FIA and Anga I mean it's really Is censored complete hopelessness. That are not really what's going on. Same a Lotta vicious rumors that there are infections inside but none of those confirmed failed. That the sense of helplessness and heartlessness. Maine's at paypal a really struggling to crisis and we saw in Columbia in India in sorry Italy heaps of people involved in uprisings trying to escape and then as possible that You know about thirty people have died. Imprisons just from the uprisings. It's it's become really intense and people feel that it's a dip sentence now because if it goes around the prisons not only is there. No it was skype Pat. And you know you'd know what health services alike inside the was the Hillis nonexempt services are getting a pet at all wants and it took me two weeks. I think he hit they hit. I was gone by then I I remember. I remember starting to watch the walking dead before I went into prison and I kept thinking to myself. What if they was Zombie Apocalypse? Waste crude right now. I mean seriously so I mean I know this is not as extreme as that yet but I mean if something like like that was to happen and because it's so oscillated it really means that it's like we talked about it being a petri dish. It means it's Kinda just spread like wildfire. I might issue is now if the staff get it. Now if you've got a One of the officers who comes in and they're contaminated with concurrent Avars. Every other person that works there has to go to `isolation. Who's looking after the prisoners and the prison? It's a really interesting point and enter. The infections industry imprisoned so far. It seems they will ban stop a might be just because they are the ones being tested but nonetheless we do. Nari. The officers are Bringing infections but what's really interesting in the UK in island is this starting to release people from prisons not only because of the Ukraine of ours. He's GonNa explode inside but also because there are so many prison officers who painting selected. There's no one to manage the prisons. So they'll I K- off you guys. Yeah exactly and that's fair enough and the inmates running the asylum. An oil all put money on it that they are not getting tested. I will put I hear gain. Weight has premia get on the coal. Get on the fine for Premier and tell us that these guys and girls are getting tested logo. One of the biggest fees that we had going into into prison was Hep C. D. R. I. Because you know I. It's rampant through prison. The whole thing is that if you get it you can't get rid of it You know with you for life and because it's such a closed environment you know the chance of you getting. It was Iran about the eighty percent of the lane. So okay is something that is is fairly common and you see it around the laws. This is something that is a brand new strain. The chances of getting spread through is even greater because if one person gets it it hangs around for two weeks. It's able and you don just get it through blood transfusion or anything like that. It's it's on Middle Services Services. They've got all the gym equipment along the beaches and The benches closed off. Now any saw the prison is if somebody in their warping all the CIFS is down constantly. I'll say no because no one wants to go on the floor. There was that crazy guy. That was glad wrapping everything. So maybe he's going through the police. He's only in one unit reporter. Well that follows onto a letter that you produced and written To the government. Tell us a little about that. Yes we were We were really worried. I guess our expertise criminal law and an prisons and way whoa worried about the effect that prisons would have as a potential iffy sanctuary of the virus. And we're looking at what was happening. I say so when I first started Campaigning and writing about this Iran head released eighty five thousand prisoners light. That's Massey's like Jay's they must be worried they obviously naughty something to do that like Iran. Everyone release anyone pretty punitive state like for them to do it. And then I and then I noticed it was happening in Western countries. Us UK started releasing papers Canada. And I started to question why Outweigh Bang on the front will live way out. Forty five thousand. People looked in prisons and youth detention centers not to mention immigrations centers but So it it just seemed like a logical preventative measure. Not only for the people inside but what about for everyone in the community. 'cause people from prison release you. You were released within nine months in the Groin of ours doesn't look like it's going anyway. Within nine months if learns acted and then they going into the community. That's going to be a burden on the community in hospitals and there's a lot of people the the sorry to interject that forty five thousand. There's apparently or ten or eleven thousand or thereabouts. That are actually just on remind. They not even haven't even been sentenced. I mean couldn't I work out a deal? Where like get these people out on bio give them strict Bil- conditions mentioned? Apparently you know it's like prison anyway. Won't attention nail. What's the difference? Don't you think I mean something like that? At least give them some strict guidelines and conditions to do it he to and get them out. Yeah absolutely because I feel like I mean look. These people shouldn't be. I believe many people who their own reminds. You haven't Bain know proven guilty That shouldn't be there anyway. Anyway so just feels like disproportionate punishment to subject them to to that environment but also by eight prince a lot of pressure on these overcrowded prisons happy spiced physically distance. It's the acting like know like cow's Other how close I had to get to shine. It was pretty close. That was scary for me even I yes I reckon that. Say It's a NI- Brian I and you know look win win. The courts are hearing bail applications Of people inside they are being pretty lenient but the problem we baddies light one person at a time a really funky stem. Why doesn't the government take a bit of leadership in this is what we're calling for to actually be static? Look at you know you lie level offenders your vendors who are going to get out in the next twelve months yet elderly and bone rebel capable united. That WOULD INCLUDE ABORIGINAL. Tara straight onto people who have really substantial health issues inside and outside You know they. They would be really affected by outbreaks. So why don't we just have ceased to matic approach where it's GonNa plays it straight to? The community will leading out. Lowry's paper on a flip saw the economic portion of it as well. I mean it cost one hundred thousand dollar house a prisoner for year. I mean okay. Australia's GonNa Struggle Now The economic Hardship on that is going to be pretty huge monkey. Let him out and put him on the on the on jobs taking up slightly much chafe at and what a what a great way for the government to to sell it. You know taking we're putting money into beings alike protective measures and welfare rather than putting it into prisons which is just waiting for disaster to happen. That's what we'RE GONNA. We're gonNA hear from Dwayne Ben Harrison in a minute With regards to the indigenous population in prison. But you actually Are Massive advocate for that as well In for the release of the indigenous population. Because I I believe it's up to about nearly a third of the population in prison is indigenous. Yeah and look for me. That's just systemic racism. Many of them there really short terms. I work You know a lot of the Corey Women in New South Wales and they got kids at home. They're there for shoplifting. Or driving he just is what what good is prison GONNA do? A compare to what bad it can do for the rest of their lives. You know for the families. We've seen that. We've seen how bad it can be and it can change people. Can it can send you in one of two directions and it doesn't help. It's not the solution. Sometimes it's the problem and I think I think if we can focus on nice populations in the relase we actually might find spit We come out of this bit stronger. In some ways we come out of we some recognition that we can put in some release. Oh data's ration- whatever you WANNA call it and it doesn't have a negative effect in fact it can strengthen act communities by supporting these people rather than adding to the punishment of not only prison but prison in a hotbed of potential viruses. Now you talked about women and And we GONNA have you back on for a discussion In a few weeks time about women in prison so You know I I'd love to have you back on to have a talk about this issue because it's something that is kind of we don't talk about yeah and alerted. Mccurry WOMEN INSIDE. Say No one his voice. You know the judge doesn't he the envoys Yeah and that's why what you guys are doing is amazing giving voice to some of these issues of making it not to be but is it just hateful in that community. They often shining shell. When we're inside I mean we met a lot of interesting people die Guinness Wrong. Lots of interesting people. But we were thinking what happened to the days of prisons would just Rapists and murderers and there's people and as you say shoplifting traffic offenses what what what why. That's ridiculous and unfortunately Once you get I mean I think obviously you'll poppies is like fantastic but sometimes once you get caught up into that system and then you might get at. You might lose your time. You might lose your kids like a can really spiral and I feel like The the only way to break that cycle is to papal support. And let saying there aren't lots of high needs people in prison because they it would have complex. Shoes bent prisons. Not a solution at actually can compound those issues. Yeah absolutely totally agree. Absolutely all the best. We hope that This actually you know all the efforts that you're doing Will actually bring about a change. Because it's it's well-needed right. Thanks take care. Thank you very much doing what you do will continue to do that. Worry cheese they add by look at approximately forty. Six percent of Australian prisoners are incarcerated for nonviolent offenses so this is people who are in the four driving offenses Alcohol Substance Abuse now similarly. And this is why we're actually going to be bringing on wind bannon Harrison who is The CO host of secret. Men's business and the reason we're bringing him on is because aboriginal people are massively over represented in the criminal. Justice system is in Australia so in in in the whole of Australia. The indigenous population only represents three percent of the population yet. There are more than twenty percent of aboriginals within the Australian prison population. That is unbelievable. It's huge so we've got dwayne Ben and Harrison. He'll on the line to have a bit of chat about this. Welcome to the bad boys. Dwayne gentlemen and Greg Greg. I want to sit in the scene. I'm super excited because join you are actually one half of a brand new show. That's being launched this week on Apple cold secret. Men's business or talk to think of myself as the senior other half and Andrew. He does the nicer this. I have to agree. What if not context and your background? My father was born and raised like aboriginal mission on the on the fast. It's a community of around one hundred. Fifty people at the prison tolerable seen as big gathering could be around for hundreds ache. He was raised on down there and You know it's interesting in more journey because I have a mother who's Boris. Galley tendency hallmark arch blackhawks. I got an interesting Four mix of tongs on. What do you? What do you think some of the things that happens at faces? A lot of indigenous guys that get into a situation where they they are getting incarcerated in the percentages are fairly high. What sort of happens I? It's it's very dark spot. There is a commonality in at all and definitely is men. Losing their all and Some of these young boys being bicycling. They've just been given not not many chances at all to not be become a statistic in the system and that's what happens and we saw that whole revolving dual Whilst we were imprecisely it it happened to us. We we saw guys coming. Go out come in and go out with the short time that we were there and and and that's why we we decided to show. It was all about education and rehabilitation And we also I mean blast putting a lot spin on ash show making it fun and happy and everything that's just Into time he that they want to laugh. But at the same time the undertones that are all about education and rehabilitation. And if you join the two together we can all have a lot but but but get get something done. And that's what we're all about is is is trying to restructure the system and do something a little bit better with it so we're not having guys who you know. Have a fallen Ramona traffic incident or something go to jail. Jail was originally FA- murderers rapists and hardcore criminals. Not People doing those sorts of things. Yeah yeah look at. It's just in in to wrap everything up. Had A you've feel about you know this this whole Early release for a prisoners. Given the current circumstances. Have to be really honest. It's a fifty fifty split for There's the the social justice where you go a combination problem and making sure that that's why don in wide is obviously the the the I will whelming. Health concern side at the hall is a bit of a string question in one way but August hyped it Dareez As best as Cambay consistency. I think that's the case bank consistent with the decision making Of course you know. You have a lawyer opposites offense a reference before what's this offense is it Some of the Gaza remained of coal. Which would be the proportion condemns albeit Not For that matter It's it's the obviously identifying the elderly and mustard risk. Look this tough decisions. Getting everywhere ought This is GonNa be another one allies with a lot of one St. a lot of issues teething issues with within. Not why I do worry. I worry full out communities in the mice pot period. Anyway About you know you guys have shed some law on something. That's really really important in in mid population population that are in Casa right. It's I I think what he's the top question From shine inconsistency probably wear were on. What would like to say listening to the advisories Making sure that fight through the proper consultation At the end of the dialogue the site the men especially the indigenous men will men for that matter what go into obviously the rehabilitation and intervention programming and the workshops in the therapy that we have with. I have to implement that and how that's done is probably still a working progress. Yeah great answer that it's a I think that's all we can hope for is consistency and that the right decision is made right now. Whatever that we understand they making some tough Kohl's and I'm sure the prime minister as much as we can give him hill for the step and the other. I'm sure he's not getting much sleep in is doing the best he can to. Yeah some of the doors and government guys and gals and government exactly Darren. He'll salaries a chronology shock support. So I I can. I can sort of grab thing to anything shocks having very accustomed to losing slight except for two weeks. Thank you always have to bring that one up here I'm an avid fan. It's a missing it watching reruns because of missing I remember. I remember when we were in in prison and he was getting some excited about the fact that Sta Virgin was on. I'm like but it happens every year. And he's like yes but you don't understand but it's the same two teams like I. Just don't I just didn't get it? You go to Beta always gonNA take him to a game. This youtube account even do well. Thanks twine for For joining on the show and good luck with the launch of secret. Men's business it's out next week on apple and Yeah I heard some of the shows fantastic absorbs. It could work. Thank thanks gentlemen in love and your work that you guys doing. All sides side tycoon. What's a pretty chaotic column for everybody at their I and Have a good day. Thanks so I just did my cheese so you know it is a really really sure that exists sat there and and I think we all need to really be mindful of the fact that if you're going through this whole corona virus issue that C. Nine teen if I haven't written it on the Board folks so just bear with him if you're going if you're going through the C nineteen issue You know just be mindful that they may be going through some some anger management stuff too because it does exist in the it does. Yeah I think from the partners who were on the outside who are listening to us You know if you hear frustration on the on the fine from them or you know get a little bit angry on the fire or whatever. I think it's just a matter of Bay with them You you do not understand the frustrations in saw little things little things that you of little tiny things and to them. It's like like a mountain. Also you baking cakes and stuff you put an extra tapes or potato sugaring. Stop throwing sugar around the kitchen and that brings us talking about the kitchen. That brings us to today's topic. And that is the butcher in the breadknife butcher. Now we're going to call the butch mack the knife because he was pretty good with a knife. I mean if we wanted anything shopping he would shamanee now. This is the the R Roenick thing. Is that when you were putting charge of the kitchen? You put in charge of the knives. Here's enough bunks. Didn't you have to go and click the north books every morning every morning? You collect the take it back to the lineup and books back but it was there all day. I mean like you know the the thinking. They're thinking Oh someone can pick up off in the middle of the night and stabbed someone so let's bring all the knobs back for protection you know. Forget about the fact that they actually sitting there in the open all day right someone can just walk up and grabbing at anytime so this one guy he would call him back so you know he's actually the the butcher so every week we'd get made he would he would. He literally was a butcher right and he knew had a mate. And you had a slice info her up and I actually wasn't a museum for drugs. Oh yeah he was in for drugs. It wasn't it wasn't violent related. In fact in fact this guy was a bit of a teddy bear really did not want to cause problems. Didn't want to didn't want to get into argument because he knew that if he decided to get into an argument he would win. The guy would be mincemeat literally and so he thought. Well I'm just GonNa stay clear style. Well something happened one day and I had another slushy. I had all the good sloshes I had. I had all the really imbalanced guys. Let me tell you as like. Do you think there's something wrong with you? You couldn't slushing belt as like Oh shy needs a new slushy. Oh there's another crazy one. Let's throw it to to to shine. Well this particular guy he was. We knew we knew he was on drugs. We knew he was on the drugs. E E we knew that he was actually He would he would take what was called. Sabi. And what do you mean? You're saying this drugs in doing really well. Look you know. Somebody is actually an alternative to heroin. Will it's what they used socks. It's people who are Who are drug addicts that the doctors prescribed them? Yeah except when they get it into prison. They don't deal with the way the doctor would normally give it to them right. So what they would end up doing is it would come in a middle strip and they would crush that middle strip down and then they would put it into a needle and there would actually take it like they were injected into the vine. So what was actually happening? Was the metal in the on the. Strip was actually going into the vine as well and it was toxic. It was bad but we knew this guy like he would come into the kitchen to help me with with cooking and There was one point. I just went my can. You just can just go with his eyes wide open. My God they would you. That will like sources so we might you really before something happens. You GotTa Gar you dealing with fire here. Something could blow up his gas seriously guy. Well this one day he got he was just. So why ED? He started to pick a fight and the first person that he came across out of all the people in the unit including me. He probably couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. He decides that he's GonNa pick a fight with the butcher the butcher. Let's let's be honest e the butcher was probably three times the size of you. Oh huge guy. Massive right and then wouldn't take any shit would not take shit so here. He is standing there. This guy starts having a go at him trained trained from Punchy transferred in print Trent was not trump was not old era so so Trent starts to have a gala this guy and he reaches around to the North Fox. Now everyone has gathered here because those a fought he was it was it was blowing was yelling. And he'd he'd started having got this at at the butcher. The butcher had sort of it was like it was it was one of those cartoons. Yeah where he puts his hand out and go in the head and the guy's trying to punch but this book is just holding their humid by this is getting so badly he got he got punching the stood there and just shook his head was like literally like a James Bond movie and he said Shuki Hidden and went my God. What was that? Is that all you got. And then he just went boom. Knock this Guy Baldwin everywhere guys just going? I've got I've got find. I've gotta find a knife or something to protect myself with. So he's gone into the kitchen into the into the north box. This is where people start running. And everyone's like no even like gravitating towards the kitchen. Knife fight we are going to be and so he's grabbed the first night that he could come with and he's whipped it around and gone. I've got a knife and it was the breadknife like of all the known to pick up the worst possible knife. Anyone I'm GonNa sit right you today. Do Bush's just looked at him and just shook his head and he just went. You freaking kidding me right. You picked up a brand new well. Here's this God just slashing at every way with these breadknife thinking he's like a big sword yes. I didn't think that he could. He could cut anything with it. He got a key to cutting the BUTCHA got caught with the age Brit. North is like cut cut cut cut cut cut like about five times like it just serrated down his arm and there was blood going everywhere from it. I'm thinking man. He he probably actually has a has a go at this. He could actually win this fight with the person with a friend. Well let's just say it was over before it began. You know one little one little cut on this guy's I'm and he just went off. Get Finish this one all ours. Roll back to the back of the head and they just went on go is laid out on the floor. Lots out out out for six and this the Bush has just turned around and walked away. Jump back on. His bike went back down to the kitchen. Didn't WanNa talk about it and you know the funny thing is no one said a word. I've done it. That's that's the thing that we're talking about it. But he didn't say thing the trend anything he just had a very huge black hole. Hey how you why. I don't know either I don't know either but but look you know the reason why we're talking about this today and and you know we do. WanNa finish on this. The reason why Trent had a go at the bourgeois something was said about the drugs about him not being able to deal with Shit and turned out that he had actually been put in prison for manslaughter because he was driving drunk and he was in a car accident with his best friend and his best friend was killed yet so he wasn't dealing with things he wasn't dealing with things at all and and let's be. Let's be honest if that happened to you the guilt that you would be going through with that hence warrior turned to things and most people turn to things like alcohol drugs. You end up with some sort of addiction. Yep You know especially like you end up in prison for something like that. So one you've lost. Your friend killed your friend so you. You've been tormented by that. Then the glory of the Justice System says all we can now. We're GONNA send you to prison and punish even further Wrought wrong or otherwise with the whole manslaughter thing and he's getting punished again. So inside what? You tend to see some guys in that circumstance. We'll punish themselves over and over and over again. They do and you know we were having a bit of a coroner annoy so the simple fact is you've got to drink responsibly. You've got to be smart or diaby an idiot Doumbia decayed and drink and drive. You know because something like this can happen. It can ruin can ruin your life and everyone else around families around you. It's it's it's a massive problem And that's the whole point of an I do get I do get the whole Drinking and driving thing that people should not drink and drive or tight drugs and drive. You know if you're going to a party. Oh you know you know you're going to be doing something there's always someone who could be responsible exactly and there's and there's auto or whatever there's all these different things they near goodness may get harm because again coast. He can look. I think just be really aware of the fact that you know e e that there are people in prison right now on nonviolent offenders but because they're in an environment that is pretty toxic at the moment with everything going on with the whole say nineteen right it is toxic and I think that what we have to really show the compassion to what is going on and go. You know what these guys know. They know what I've done. I've done their time and stop labeling the judgment you know we all such great judges of things out we we judge people judge them for that what they wearing what they're doing and what they've done undestand people who are in sort for the Mars pot a kick in there I know US yeah. They're judging themselves more than you will ever enjoy. Yeah that's it that's it so you know there's plenty of organizations you can turn to beyond blue if you you know if you're talking about depression that sort of stuff you you know if you need to go to a or or drugs unanmous and plays reach out and talk to someone who can actually help you before it gets too light You know that is the most important thing right now. There's not even in prison you know. We're in lockdown at home. For goodness sake which is nothing like prison. But there's still stuff you're dealing with inside in your mind harm and the point is with the technology we have now. There's a lot of access to a lot of things Go there's even access to our group L. Group. Yep It's only small but even if you join net jump on this and lock morning people on the people have gone through a few different things and the more we can get onto a group like Al Group. 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309 Relax and Enjoy Your Food

"Turn to talking biotech podcast. It's the weekly podcast about agriculture and medicine with an emphasis on technology legal things it can do for people and the planet. I'm kevin fogler. I'm a professor podcast hosts and they were going to talk about the kind of nexus between agriculture and medicine so talk a lot about agriculture. And the good things by technology can do. Maybe some of the food can improve or maybe environmental solutions and we talk a lot about medicine. The new ways in which medical breakthroughs from biotechnology change the quality of life for people suffering from debilitating disease but inbetween agriculture and medicine. Here's the question. food diet. Areas are really controversial not necessarily because scientists controversial but because of an overlay of misinformation of fads of. What's happening today. It makes it very difficult for people to sort out real. And what's not so when you come across an opportunity to discuss food diet in associated topics With someone who has a good handle on subject you take that opportunity so today. We're talking with craig. Good and craig has been around for a while with the pixar and some other places but has written the book. Relax and enjoy your food and in say very highly readable. Very highly readable hiring readable texts that outlines a lot about the mistakes that people make with regard to food a lot of food myths but also a lot of our cognitive bias. How that plays into schemings to make us feel either inadequate about the choices we make or pedal completely bad choices altogether. So regarding trump guess. We don't need perfect. You should written a book. I've known enjoyed get really quickly to. Because i waited to the last minute i but it still was a real easy read and appreciate some which was a lot of topics we talk about here. Certain the background and says that you worked for pixar thirty one years and certainly participated in science communication. You both Working skeptics guy other places. But what was the impetus to bulk about food and diets and more importantly why would anyone trust information from someone from you oversee. Just the average internet expert. Yeah like enough off So to answer the second part. I i i'm wearing my science communicator. Hat here and i make no claim to be an expert in any of this. You know i'm. I'm not academic not a scientist but what i have gotten good at is recognizing experts and being able to figure out what the scientific consensus is and it turns out in the subject of food. The consensus has been pretty steady for a long time. It's not. it's not rocket surgery as the as joe goes As far as the impetus for writing it it was an excess of a number of things a few years ago. Well over twenty years ago when my daughter was born i as many fathers do had sympathetic weight gain during the pregnancy and thought well i wanna listen. Wait and i didn't know anything about it. So i just kind of eight less and that worked for a while. I got rid of twenty pounds. Now way. And then i've always had an interest in food anyway of enjoyed enjoy cooking and learning about that stuff and then i discovered this app. That would let me count calories in the well try that and so i just put myself on a calorie budget and that work got rid of another thirty pounds that way as you may have noticed in the book i don't necessarily recommend that method everybody but if you're like me it works fine and then That kind of turned me into a raving foodie. Because i thought well if i've got food budget to spend is spending it on the good stuff right. How many stuff. I like so well. That's going on then. Eventually daughter turns about thirteen. And i hear from their doctor. Your child has anorexia nervosa the most deadly mental illness. There is that brought me up short as that was a pretty scary thing to hear so working with my daughter for a few years fighting off an eating disorder. Made me realize that really more important than what you eat. Is your relationship with food and so years later. I was answering lots of questions on cora and i noticed that the very same questions Coming up over and over and over so just put them in a book. That's really good and much of that. The food fads and much of the sentiment towards food is coming from a fear of The as you mentioned in the text. What are some good examples of that well. Fear of modernity is why. We have legends. Like atlantis or the garden of eden. Is this romantic notion that things were somehow better long ago and it's not really true but really better now and that fear drives pretty much every food fad and it's used by What i called fear based marketing to sell things like organic food or non. Gmo that mean. There's there's no reason to avoid gmo's unless you're just afraid of technology right. So that's the and that phrase. I got from a wonderful book is recommended cold. The gluten lie which was a book about food written by a theologian albums inuits right had promised across anyone who reads it. You will laugh your head off during last chapter. And that's we'll talking more about that bernadino of it's not the food. Its relationship with food. Is that much in the book. There are no bad foods just bad diets and then you go on to talk about concepts that we are bombarded with all the time. It's like junk food superfood all that stuff so once the real story. Okay so the real story is that food gives you some combination of the same basic seven things. You can get carbs proteins. Fats leisure mattress. You can get vitamins things like that. You're and minerals. You'd get hydration and you get fiber. That's pretty much it and if it gives you some of that food and can be part of a healthy diet so a big part of my theme in the book is to think in terms of variety and the overall diet in there. Is that what you eat. Today doesn't matter but what you eat. This month matters a lot right so rather than stressing about am. I getting enough of my protein today or if i had too much today or just just kind of relax. Enjoy your food and think about this month. I've done fine. I've had a variety. I can have whatever so. It's more of an acute moral lifestyle adjustment than an acute thing right. So you're you're looking months rather than days but just okay so the titan with that though you do mention the book that that that while healthy diet can reduce the risk of cancer. It's important to note that it doesn't prevent or treat cancer so so i really wanna get that sorted out because it says you can reduce your risk. But it doesn't prevent hauer those things different. The difference would be if you're picking a food because you think this food will help me prevent cancer. That's probably not that helpful approach if you think my overall diet is going to help lower the odds of cancer because as you know cancer isn't a thing where you can say this caused it or that caused it but different things you do decisions you make can increase or decrease your risk of certain cancers right right right as they dovetail which medics it. Yeah and with i mean. It's it's complicated there i. The book is really simple but you know deep down. The science can be very complicated. I was trying to aim at just. What do people need to know to just make their everyday life decisions about what to eat. A i mean it's it's fun to follow the science about you know every little detail but there was. I believe i mentioned in the book couple of decided to find out what foods cause or don't cause cancer and they took eighty random ingredients from cookbooks and look them up and found that for every single ingredient. There were studies that showed. They increased cancer and studies. That showed they so just too noisy to picking and choosing that way but there are things we know like. If you don't smoke you greatly lowered your risk of a number of cancers of outcomes along the line of cancer. A lot of people would say that cancers induced by genetically engineered crops so the gmo issue. Or i should say ingredients from genetically engineered crops. So why is that such an important topic when we look at the discussion of diet and north korea. Yeah well it's fear of maternity making people suspected. Gmo's do that. Because they're just happens to not be any evidence that it does and a lot of evidence that wasn't head decades of experience with gm foods in the food supply and nothing shown up. No harm caused or the wreksa people might not be familiar with that term. It describes an attitude literal. It's kind of greek for righteous eating and a lot of people get the idea that there's good and bad as in good and evil about different injury which is really unhealthy way to think about your food and anyone listening can think of dozen examples right now. People who've said things that are very orthodox. Don't eat that junk food or here. You need to eat this. You know and the attitudes around are surprisingly religious. Can remember back in the ninety s when when people would say. I can't eat avocado because it's got too much fat in it in an totally afraid of cod does in but spending on. Yeah yeah go ahead old police. These fear foods you know. Today it's bacon or sugar or salt or the the imaginary threat from gmo's or or Msg it's it's much easier to frighten people than it is to educate them. You're preaching to acquire on that one. Chapter is my favorite chapters in the book. Was the myth busting chapter. Because you didn't just bust myths. You sometimes confirm them or said there's mixed results depending upon what you believe. And i don't want to too much into spoiler here but the things i've learned that i never for was that brad doesn't go still because it dries out. Isn't that wild star. Yeah what's up with that. Yeah it's actually absorbing water molecules and is changing the structure of the bread. The bread stale bread actually weighs more than french bread. That's really weird. I got a gazette doing exactly the opposite. I've been trying to trying to even few drops of water in the bag. Make it stay better locker. I'm making the problem worse. Those in was that you can't check the temperature of steak. I push it. And now i worked in a restaurant for a long time and i can tell you a medium rare from rare from a medium just by pushing down on it. I swear why am i wrong. You might be right you. May you know i i. I mentioned there. People who worked in commercial kitchens may have other opinions so it wasn't too surprised that you did with enough experience. And since you're using very consistent cuts of meat you can probably get there but if you want to actually be sure A good instant read thermometer. The only way to really know. And if if you're already a an experienced commercial wind cook and you want to prepare your stay that way. I'm not gonna tell you you can't but people at home i'll tell you getting a really good instant read. Thermometer will transform you into a much better cook other ago. I- carney asada for diving asthma. So you can't complain. So yeah i worked at a place that was by a dinner theater and i brought food for mickey rooney lander sisters Clarence lebron whole bunch of pro golfers. A couple politicians pretty cool. But anyway i digress. We're talking by podcast. We're speaking with craig. Good abbado's birth relaxing. Enjoy your food. food mets and talking about what is healthy diet as we talk about biotechnology and we really integrates with the foods up. We talk in biotech podcast. And we'll be back in just tomorrow. Hi everybody this is kevin and a lot of people ask how they can help. Talking biotech podcast. The best thing you can do help spread the word there. Simple steps to increase listenership now remember. My goal is simple. It's to provide good information from the experts that can help others navigate the extensive misinformation and disinformation that permeates social media and sometimes traditional media. So what can you do. Write reviews wherever you consume. 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I want to provide you with the content and the communication strategies combat false information as well as share the beautiful stories of science and technology plus. The guests are super interesting too. So as always thank you for listening to the talking biotech podcast. I really appreciate it. And now we're back on talking biotech podcast speaking with craig good and new author of relax and enjoy your food. And it's a book that tell talks about our relationship with more than the food itself so no such thing as bad food bad diets the mess the whole thing but you still should buy it anyway. Let's talk about one of the important points in tax that was one of the best guidelines was not necessarily being a good food consumer but being grew science consumer. He'll give me an idea of what you mean by that you caught me. Slipping us side serving of skepticism in the book there yet understanding how to be a good science consumer will really help because it's so easy to read an article about the latest study right and think. Oh i need to change the way. I eat because of that. Well no you probably shouldn't you should wait for the consensus because exploring at the edges of knowledge is a very noisy thing. I mean you're aware of that. That idea that most other studies are actually false. They don't replicate or something happens. That's okay. I tried to make people feel good about that. As what exploring looks like what you really want is to stay on. The established railroad tracks exploring is already been done and follow the real consensus from the experts. Yeah that was an important point. You brought up the work. Because i have my problems with that no way because so much is replicable and good. Science grows that his meta-analysis his thoughts in that analysis are used now too much by the anti-science folks to throw good science under the bus by maintenance sweeping statement. While can't believe most of it anyway and are you still a correctly. But i think that other still usually kind of maliciously and take evidence that science works and tries to say that it's evidence that science doesn't work. It's a process and that's what which like out on the edges. That's right and that's why it's okay if it's wrong because we eventually get to the truth. It's not a a tool necessary to find the truth with a capital t. But it's tools to help us get there and it's a long road as you know like That i do use in. The book is airplanes. John i've also been a private pilot. An airplane spend most of their time of course not by much. But you're always making low of course directions and that's just how it works and you always get your reports and it's five one of the things that you brought up in the book. I never really thought about. Was that if a diet has its name. It's probably bad. Probably not credible and we'll think about it. South beach diet grapefruit diet this diet. That is this the real. That's pretty true. Because the ones that were happening in the sixties and seventies and eighties and nineties and the lots and teens have never really stuck around one in particular the paleo diet and what are some of the red flags that come up there. Okay back up just a little bit. L. say what. What i think is the description of a healthy diet which is to enjoy a variety of foods mostly plants including plenty of fruits and veggies. Not too much not too little and any advice much more specific than that usually comes from someone. Who's selling something so when people with diets get named that almost guarantees that somebody made it up because we named things that we invent right. I don't have a name for this diet. I just described you because it's really just consensus to good diet not to be anybody's grew one of the things i wanna do not trust gurus but but So a paleo kind of the poster child for the fear of modernity because it starts with this idea that somehow for some reason it's not clear everything was better in the paleolithic. I i really doubt. That's the case. I don't think there's any evidence that anything was better but it gets even funnier because there is no. There was no one paleolithic diet right. There were a number of ads because humans are omnivores. Were diet wise. Where a lot like pigs. We can eat just about anything. Which is why we're all on the planet and so there were a number of paleo diets but even if you knew what one of them was you couldn't needed now because none of the ingredients exist you know we've kept evolving and we've made our food of all very rapidly so pretty much everything we now didn't exist in the paleo period and what people reading when they were caveman isn't around for us to navan so to me it's it's just one of the silliest. Why why was working on the book. I was in costco. And i saw a big bag of paleo pancake mix and i just had to put a picture. Can't make this stuff up. That was a real good picture. I saw the picture in the book and the paleo pancake mixes pretty interesting example. Yeah yeah that pose law rules the universe. If 'cause i was was writing the book i was trying to think of a way to make fun of paleo. Like what's the most ridiculous thing they could endorse and then a couple weeks later and costco and see that. Say well done my work for me. So i guess the other thought of the concept of calories and you talk about this common belief that a calorie is not necessarily a calorie that it depends on where it came from. And what's the story there. Okay so yeah this. This one often raises hackles. A calorie really is a calorie because it's a unit of potential rights. It's the amount of heat it takes to raise a gram of water by one degrees celsius. Standard pressure right. So it's not going to be useful as a scientific measure if it's different depending on what you're eating for. What calories and food we we describe the food energy available in food in terms of calories because we kind of literally do burn you know. We're we're exothermic beings and we're kind of burning calories. Now what's different is how. Your body absorbs and stores calories from different kinds of foods. That's that's an immensely complicated topic. But in the context of weight gain or loss. It's really just thermodynamics. Right if if your body has extra calories it can store will likely gain weight if your body is running a long-term calorie deficit it's going to burn some of those stores and you lose weight and there's just no way around. It's just physics right so part of my big picture view is. Don't worry about how calorie dense of particular food or even meal is just worry about your overall calorie intake. And if you're in calorie balance your way to steady and if you're a calorie deficit rate goes now very easy. Mimics a lot more simple to think about that way and along that same line. You talked a lot about a weight. Loss have a chapter dedicated to it. And i agree. You know diets the garbage. They don't work. You really need to have a change in attitude. A psychological change a life style change. But it's even more than that We'll kind of another book. I'll recommend is tracy man's book Secrets from the eating lab science of weight loss Willpower if If weight losses what. You're really interested in that. That book is a much deeper dive. Than what i do but the basic reason diets don't work is because they're temporary right you eat. You eat a new way for a while to your weight. Goes down and then you go back to what you're doing before and you're just gonna go right where it was before so you just need a lifestyle change. And that's part of why. I emphasize the fruits and veggies in that diet recommendation. Because if you get enough of that your overall calorie density is probably not going to be very high. Fruits and vegetables are very low calorie density foods and it makes it easier to maintain that lifestyle gem making such not totally makes sense totally makes its bad genetics. And and the way that i create changes by being really cognizant and that's really all it comes down to but a wall along the same line There's a lot of focus on weight and diet but we know that but are we how much of it is creating unreal expectations. And how does that influence how we feel about food or i love unreal expectations. I should have worked at into the book. Where were you when i needed you. That's just looking at media pictures of actors and models and influencers and things. Those people not typical freaks and that people a lot of really unrealistic expectations. The idea that you're not healthy. If you can't see your hands things like that it turns out that everybody has a range of healthy weight they could be at. The consensus recommendation is to try to be toward the end of that range. But really that's why. Sit check with your medical doctor before you go on any any weight loss programs. Maybe your nose overweight issue. Thank you are being. A little overweight can can lead to some less desirable health outcomes. Being severely underweight will kill. You really quickly. So that's something. I learned in our anorexia adventure. So don't panic about it and take it. Slow is kind of the key part of the book year. Skeptical nature comes through the skeptic and craig good really apparent and you talk about bad advice in bogus cures which i think was kind of just walk through all of the things. I already have been screaming about for decades. Be digging with things. Like homeopathy naturopathy. What's the best advice for people who are looking at this pseudo-medical medical advice to stick with real science based medicine. Anything that sold as alternative. Medicine probably isn't really madison. Stick with with real medical doctors and seek out the best experts you can. I go into it a little more detail. In the book of some red flags you can be watching for but some things i just had to explicitly say togo. Natural path ever forget acupuncture homeopathy. There's some things you can just list. That just are not medicine. But i know it's really hard because they seem really attractive. Sway a lot of people you might. You might feel like you're being treated better as a person by your naturopathic doctor. But you're not getting actual medical care and you know one thing i'm still sad about. Is that We probably lost steve jobs years earlier than we needed to because he tried treating his cancer with a vegan diet instead of listening to his doctors. My sister just lost her friend last week and a friend of mine too from grade school. Who cited she was going to treat her cancer with the smoking pot and other herbal remedies and by the time she realized it wasn't working i was too late she was already at stage four with heavy metastasis and She just just died from it. Last week Turn most at the last minute and doctor said if you would have been here a little earlier we gotcha and you know. It's that's not good for her but for everybody around her sent a pretty clear message you had. He can't believe the bs but one of the things that was in the book that i'd never really heard of her thought of before that. I really liked which your advice on control barriers or controlling barriers. I agree hundred percent. What did you mean by having these barriers. Okay that I give full credit to tracy man her in her book for that out. Let's take the example. People can do this as mind. Experiment right now picture. You're sitting at a table reading a book and right next to your right. Hand is a little bowl of candy. How much that candy are you likely to eat. While you read the book if you move that bowl to the other end of the table where you actually have to stand up and walk to it. Just not little distance. Studies have shown that you'll eat a lot less candy on the flip side of that they found one of the easiest ways to tune. Your diet is to not think about getting any different food than you eat already but just eat your veggies. I you know bring the vegetable course solid whatever it is to the table first and then bring everything else. Just doing that will significantly raise amount of veggies. You get your diet. They've done this study in schools just changing the order food in the cafeteria. They've you know if you had to walk past the vegetables. It's ended up eating more vegetables. So you can do these little psychological tricks for yourself. What what tracy mad points out as you can't rely on willpower willpower is a losing game. But what you can do is build new habits now. It's perfect for me. If i don't buy junk food i don't eat junk food and so it's The word junk food meeting things like processed potato chips or something like that. If i don't buy it. I don't have it in house i'll never eat it but if i buy it i get lazy. You know what show be good right now and so that really works. May i make a suggestion vocabulary. Change sir cold him. Treat foods treats and maybe i'll i'll drive downtown to the ice cream place and have some ice cream rather than keeping ice cream into the free. Yeah yeah then. That makes a lot more says. I really liked that particular idea. I think that means a lot. Because there's a lot of calories sitting in your cabinet but only about a quarter twenty percent of it if you go there and have it so i dare you control that barrier and also the idea that if you're cutting even just three hundred and fifty calories a day which is what a big candy bar. That's or you know a couple of days right. That's ten pounds after ten after ten days which is thirty five pounds a year. A good friend of mine just told me about his friend who had spent years about fifty pounds overweight and then he saw them again and he look great. And what did you do well. I don't like coffee and to get the caffeine i wanted. I realized that i was drinking a liter of coke day. So i just stopped. There's only changing me. I said literally ran out of my book for a lot of people. All you need to do is cut out the sweet drinks. You're having and and you're back in calorie balance really calorie dense foods can add up quickly. So it's really good. I really appreciate this whole concept that we talked about and look at this and then the big picture. How much of. This room is about genetics. Aaron expectations because i'm more makes me feel good. What makes me keep weight off. I don't like eating in the morning or and lunchtime eight at night. feel better just. That's only meal of the day but our people point a finger at me and say hey. You're doing it wrong. that's not right in. So how much of our problem is too many experts and not enough people who pay attention to their own physiology. I'm not qualified to answer the genetics part so i will say that people are all individuals. Everybody's a little different have different things you like. We do know that pretty much everything about your taste. In food is matter of habituation. You tend to like what you grew up eating. There's only genetic things are like those poor people who think that cilantro tastes like soap kind of will education like that but the big problem as you correctly identified is just the mountains of bad advice everybody eats serve. Everybody thinks they're an expert on eating right and that whole it worked for me. Attitude can be really dangerous. That's why get invented right right. Get just because it works for. You doesn't mean it works for everybody kind of like like the kito diet for awhile that was used to help treat epileptic children and it seemed to kind of work. I don't think it's used a lot for that anymore. But someone took the idea. Well if this diet is good for apple at what children when it's good for everybody right. It's like well no having cast on your leg is good. If you're if you've got a broken leg it's not necessarily a good idea spine. One size doesn't necessarily fit. Which is why i say. Enjoy variety of foods mostly plants plenty of fruits and veggies. Not too much not too low. That's deliberately kind of vague because the combination that works for you is going to be different than for someone else. You should eat food you like. It should be a source of pleasure and joy in your life right. Shouldn't be something that causes guilt. Don't listen to anybody who tries to frighten you away from a food or an ingredient. very good. it's kind of like the skeptical. Omnivores dilemma kind of you have a lot of the same concepts that pollen talks about his book in but just with a better handle on the science side That i think he has so so really done. Where can they find your book and please give the title correctly one more time. Go right to my amazon. Because that's where you can find it on. Amazon called relax and enjoy your food. Save your money your health and your sanity by separating fact from. It's now available in paperback kindle in just before spoke with you today i approve the audible. Version some assumes is excavated under meeting new book by the other very good. Oh that's kind of cool okay. And then the other thing is also route. Follow on social media. Enjoy your twitter feed a lot. So where can we find you amount of time on twitter. You can find craig. Thank you very much for joining the on the podcast. Today i really enjoyed the book and look forward to talking to you again sometime. Thank you so much and for everybody else. Thank you for listening to talking podcast. You drill go ahead and write reviews anywhere you consume podcast media simpson bucket on patriot and even the lowest subscription amount adds up in a big way in your funds are used one hundred percent to boost posts and social media to expand this audience and that works so flipper some butter to every month in. Watch the magic happen other than that. 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Jaws 3-D (1983) | Joe Alves

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Jaws 3-D (1983) | Joe Alves

"I welcome to around the world in eighty s movies. My name is Vince Leo is the author of the film. Review website quips dot net I. Bet you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews. You read anytime. Webster Dot net is where to go Q.. WIP S., e., R.. Dot Net while you're there I. DO encourage you to also click the link. Link for my other podcast that covers more recent movies. It's called the film review podcast. You can find the link to that at that website. Stir Dot net today I'm going to be getting into the third of a four part series looking at the jaws, films of the nineteen seventies and eighties. Of course, this is a show mostly about the nineteen eighties and. And we're getting into the first of the jaws films that take place in the nineteen eighties from nine, hundred, eighty, three I'm talking about jaws three, or you can call it by its the actual title of Jaws Three d because it was released in three D in One thousand, nine, hundred three. It's a PG rated film does have some Gore sensuality and language the? The runtime is an hour and thirty eight minutes. The cast of stars include Dennis Quaid. BESS Armstrong Louis. Gossett Junior Simon mccorkell. John Putsch and Leah Thompson Joe Als is the director. The screenplay credited to Carl Gottlieb Richard Matheson and Michael Caine not that Michael Caine not the one that appears in jaws the revenge. This screenwriters last name is spelled. K. A. N. E.. We start back in the beginning of Nineteen seventy-nine Comedian Chevy. Chase. He made a joke to a couple of junior exacts at universal pictures. He joked that they should combined their two biggest recent successes of nineteen seventy-eight, and make a sequel to both of them called jaws meets animal house now while that was initially a Joke Mountain Daniels thought that actually might be a good idea so they. They casually mentioned it to their boss Universal's president Ned Tannen and the attendant thought that was kind of an intriguing ideas, so he thought he should pass it along to jaws, producers, Richard Panik and David Brown, and they immediately loved it. They thought this was a great idea because they were stuck on what to do next without Roy Scheider wanting to appear in any other jaws, movies and And without wanting to regurgitate the same formula over and over now while at lunch with National Lampoon's publisher, he had just started turning into a movie producer Matty Simmons David Brown pitched. The idea jaws meets. Animal House Simmons immediate response to this idea was I hate it and the reason why he hated. It is because he already had a follow up to animal house in his mind it. It was going to be set six years later. He did not want to screw up his franchise. Polluting it with another franchise round explained that the film this Jaws Animal House. Idea it didn't really need to tie in directly with the characters or the story from Animal House, or even Josh for that matter. It just needed to be a jaws film in comedic style of National Lampoon. Lampoon so Simmons, he started riffing. He played along. He thought you know. What would a jaws three be like? In the hands of National Lampoon? He entitled it on the spot, jaws, three people, zero or people nothing, but it's spelled with a numeral zero Simons envisioned this kind of Meta comedy about this vengeful shark who goes out hunting and killing these movie makers who are trying to make? Make another entry in jaws. He could have Peter Benchley eaten by a shark in swimming pool for the opening scene and Steven Spielberg he could get different body parts bitten off of him throughout the movie, the Real Life Studio heads could come in, and they can play the heavies, and the actors in the writers could be the good guys, and by the end of all of this. This riffing this conversation David. Brown of course found it all hilarious Simmons. He actually ended up loving his own idea that he had hated an hour before and Simon said that he would work out the details from the business side, and they left it at that flash forward two months later, universal now publicly announced their next big comedy. Jaws, three people nothing. Simmons would right the initial treatment. Treatment for this film, and he would also be the producer Zanuck and Brown would be the executive producers and national. Lampoon's editors John Hughes that John this time the John Hughes that created all of those great teen comedies of the nineteen eighties and also Todd Carol. They would both provide the script John Dante he would get the nod to direct what promised to be his first studio. And they all bounced all of these Wacky Zany ideas off the wall. They throw them all in there. In the script. Including this revelation that the sharks are actually aliens in disguise. I mean this was a real kitchen sink approach to making a comedy for their star. Simmons cast comedian Roger Bumps now. If that name sounds familiar to you, you must be a fan. Fan of spongebob squarepants because today he voices squidward tentacles on that show. Simmons at that time felt that bump us. Who was pretty much unknown? He would become the next big star. The biggest star of the nineteen eighties in the world of comedy he was set to skyrocket Stephen. I would appear as a leading man who had let himself go. They approached Mary. Mary at Hartley about a role that she could play as a studio executive, but she turned it down now at a preview screening of Blake words ten at universal Siemens became enamored of Bo, Derek in that film, and he approached her after the film and offered her the lead actress role in this jaws, three film, and within two days she came back to. To him and she agreed she would do it, so he had his leading lady set a slew of Cameo appearances would also be in the film Mel Brooks Jonathan Winters Mickey Rooney as well as those who were involved in the making of jaws. They hoped MCA President Sid Sheinberg his wife. Lorraine Gary and Richard Dreyfuss and and maybe more if they could get. Get them now at this point. It all seemed like this was going to be. An absolute can't miss effort. I mean this was a film that would be the third in the top franchise. Time jaws the second film for National Lampoon Right after the phenomenal breakthrough that was animal house, and this would also be Bo Derek's next film after becoming an overnight sensation with. With ten. This was going to be a hundred million dollar picture. They all felt the studio was very excited. As well they had locations scouted. They started reconditioning all of the sharks that were news from jaws to appear in this film in all, told universal plunk down about two or three million dollars in the pre development phase before even anything started filming Richard. Richard Zanu felt that the first script that he'd read from. Hughes and Carol was absolutely Hilarious, but he did question. There need to go for R. Rated Humor. He thought that this should be like the jaws films. PG rated in order to attract the biggest audience. The studio was also less enthused for their own reasons. They thought that the writers were making fun. Fun of the very people who may jaws much more so than they were actually spoofing the killer shark genre, which is what they thought that this film was going to be about an after five more passes, and trying to tone down this original script to make a PG rated version while also reducing obvious connections to real life people that are in the business. It also lost a lot of its original flavor, and it seemed like it was going to be a lousy marriage fraught with a lot of creative differences, overall so universal unfortunately nixed it even after all of their investment years later. Matty, Simmons he had heard that the reason why universal nixed it was because Steven Spielberg was adamantly opposed to jaws, becoming a spoof, and he felt the canceled it because they didn't want him to leave them in protest, but at the time Simmons was obviously incensed, he had wasted so much time about a year and a half of his time putting it all together only to end up with nothing, so he wanted immediately out of. of his universal contract, so he could shop this idea to another studio willing to pay the turnaround costs and universal consented on the stipulation that whatever film that Simmons and whatever studio he took it to made, they could not have a shark or any other kind of water creature in it. It had to be absolutely divorced from Jaws Zanuck and Brown the also left universal, not in protest. Necessarily they were at the end of their contract. They were now free to move to Twentieth Century Fox. They told universal that they were available as consultants. If they decided to make another jaws film in the future now by nineteen eighty overseas theatre owners began to demand of. Of Universal that they put out another jaws movie because they were experienced, high audience demand, they were always asked. When's the next jaws coming out I? Keep hearing about it. When is it coming out? And with their theatrical film that they had been working on for so long dead in the water, universal contemplated, making a quickie TV film that they could release in the United States on television, but the actually in other parts of the world, so Alan Landsberg productions. They were the makers of such TV Fares. The TV shows that's incredible and also Gimme a break and many others. They bought out the rights from ZANUCK and Brown to make their jaws project four TV. TV with Universal Buying International Distribution Rights Gordon, true blood he was known for making a made for TV nature runamuck films for Landsberg. He came up with this initial premise. He contemplated making the next jaws at disaster movie. It would have the title of Jaws Eighty, one that was kind of like the airport films that had the year after the title of airport and true blood spent several months working out this concept of a shark that swims upstream and ends up in a lake, and it causes a lot of deadly problems for the local fishers and other people who inhabit the lake, and they would have to send in hunters to route the dangerous shark out. Like the idea, he met with mill Stewart and slotted him as possible director after he had his stint making the white lions for Landsberg and also to star. At least one of the main stars would be Mickey Rooney who had done Landsberg award winning TV film called Bill But, true bled script really did not Garner. universals enthusiasm, so landsberg brought in a bigger gun, veteran, novelist and screenwriter. Richard Matheson, Matheson coincidentally had worked on the fringes of jaws. He had worked with jaws. JAWS director Steven Spielberg for his early made for TV film called dual and Jaws twos. Director Shannon Shark for somewhere in time he did the script based off of his own novel called Bid Time Return Matheson was not shown, or he really didn't have any direct knowledge of true blood script. He didn't even know it existed. He received only Landsberg story outline of this shark in a lagoon and went with that premise for his own script, the delays though in personnel and the. The changes made did draw the attention of the executives at MCA. which were the parent company universal? Although universal was not producing jaws three, they did intend to distribute it, and they did not want a sub-standard product, so verna fields universal's vice president, and also the editor for the original jaws, she told Joe Alves who was the production designer on the first two films and the second unit director on jaws to. She told him to go. Find out what's going on and see. See if he could steer things in the right direction, Alves immediately saw significant problems Landsberg told him that they did not need mechanical shark for their film because they could use stock footage from that's incredible and mixed out with new footage using these half scale, human dummies filled with chum that the smaller sharks would eat. They would look bigger though because the dummies were smaller, Alves knew that this was just never going to fly with audiences. It would probably be absolutely laughable. Passed on the chance to produce the film, but he did offer to help matheson scout locations because he wanted them to avoid an expensive and prolonged shoot like the experience with the first two films. Alves recommended that they use a large tank to shoot aquatic scenes. That would be less expensive and they can control their environment much more. They visited several aquariums and marine parks for their ideas and the one thing that really popped out to Alves. Matheson was this immersive underwater exhibit that they saw at Marineland of Florida. It featured this twenty three minute seventy millimeter. Documentary called seadream and that was made by Murray Lerner now for a tech head like Alves, this film was a revelation, and the gear started spinning in his mind that they might actually be able to produce the same effect in movie theaters within the context of a jaws movie, and this film also inspired the aquatic theme park idea because this would be a natural place where they could have control of the shark and the shooting locations something that made the prior two. Runway over schedule and over budget, and it would also be able to use a freshwater tank to avoid the corrosive aspects of the saltwater that kept ruining the use of mechanical shark, so Alves drew up this concept of a shark coming out of the screen at the audience jaws, three d, he showed this art concept to Landsberg and then to Sid Sheinberg. They were captivated after MCA's other head. Lew Wasserman took a look. Look Landsberg sent the script to Murray. Lerner to see if he would be interested in helping out with the making of the next jaws movie in Three D as he did for seadream, as the already had an art director assigned to the film learner, he really didn't want any involvement so Wasserman and Landsberg then urged Joe, Alves control and direct whatever he had in his mind, not for television, but for theaters in the. The US. This was going to be an event film now with Alves in place as director Landsberg phoned up producer Rupert hit SIG to work as the line producer Hitech wanted no part of it. Initially, he felt that the franchise had run its course, and also mentioned that he had absolutely no knowledge of three D, a film, making process, which is kind of what Landsberg said. He wanted for this role because while Alves. Alves would concentrate on the technical aspects hits. It could make sure that it stayed on track as a narrative movie after Hick, met with Alves Landsberg. He actually grew excited about the prospects and he signed on board eagerly meanwhile universal executives they deem that the script by Matheson was full of a lot of problems. Mathieson story did not tie in at all with the first two jaws, films and Sid Sheinberg insisted that. That the main character had to be related, it should be Mike Brody. The eldest son of chief brody and he wanted to also somehow bring in Sean Brody into the story as well Matheson thought that this was absolutely ridiculous, because the burden family was going to experience another shark problem in a completely different part of the country, and even more so universal also requested on top of that that they used the same shark. Shark from jaws to as the main nemesis, all burnt up, but still alive, somehow even though we saw it get electrocuted jaws to Matheson asserted that audiences would just absolutely laugh at this twist so universal at least wisely backed off of that idea, anyway on top of this Landsberg also asked Mathieson to write in a role, a big role specifically for his friend. Mickey Rooney Asset thank you for his emmy and Golden. Golden Globe winning performance in the TV movie bill, which also won four Landsberg a Golden Globe for best TV film. Matheson wrote in Mickey's part as this clown who entertained the crowd at the water park? This was a role that he ended up taking back out. Though because Mickey, Rooney soon became unavailable thankfully I. Guess for Matheson however. Rooney's coast are in Bill Dennis Quaid. He was given the lead role of Mike Brody. Brody Quaid later would call jaws three the worst experience of his life. You also claimed that he was sky high on cocaine, throughout every seeing that he shot now as for the cast that he brought in Alves, he wanted to train the actors to handle the underwater drama. He didn't WANNA use stunt people because he planned to have some actual dramatic things happen while they were under the water so Dennis Quaid was. WAS TRAINED TO LEARN TO SCUBA DIVE in. He was also shown how to ride a Jetski. Armstrong was trained to ride on the backs of Wales and communicate with Dolphins, and in the case of Lia Thomson. She would learn how to water ski, and but not only just water ski, but do it in a pyramid formation with with other women standing on each other's shoulders. Lee Thompson was cast here. This was actually her. Her film debut. She was discovered from a Burger King commercial by the casting director, and she beat out the likes of Jennifer Jason Leigh, who is hot from fast times at Ridgemont high at the time Dennis Quaid by the way at that time he was married to actress PJ souls during the production of jaws, three began a romantic relationship with Leah Thompson and he went through a divorce with PJ souls, and then He. He and Thompson became engaged although they were never married. They finally called. It quits in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty seven, but Simon mccorkell jail known for some people from the nineteen eighties as the guy who started mammal. He got the role of the shark. Hunter Fish Rice after David Warner and Peter Firth turned it down as for Roy Scheider. Why is he not in this film while he wasn't even asked actually stated. Stated in an interview sometime later that not even Memphis Sophocles could have gotten him to do another jaws film. He went so far as to take the job in blue thunder to make sure that he was not going to be available. At the time, they were scheduled to shoot jaws three. He didn't want any part of it. Any excuse was reached for now after Matheson brought in the brody boys to script Alves. Alves and hits egg. They felt that the revised script still needed some more work safely brought in my cane once again, not the actor, the screenwriter to spruce up the dialogue, and to give it more of a comedic edge, but that script still fell short. They wanted the characters to be relatable, and there's situations to be fun, so they hired once again coming in to save the day Carl Gottlieb. He wrote the final. Final scripts for both of the prior jaws films they wanted him to bring in Levity, and those character touches like the first two films had because at that time they had already cast the movie Gottlieb got to know the actors and their personalities, and what made them tick, so he was able to use that knowledge to work character touches into the script that they could handle now as far as what the final. Final script that godly produced we see in Joss the sons of Sherif Brody. They are now in Florida elder son Mike. He's completing this two year construction project for this underwater structure that he's building in the lagoon at seaworld that people could walk in. There's going to be a restaurant and everything all under the water, and all of these fish are going to be all around them. Mike's younger brother Sean played by John. John Putsch, he's visiting from College Sean. Unlike Mike, he suffers from aqua phobia, he doesn't want to get in the water, and that's brought about from his harrowing near death. Experiences that we witnessed from the first two jobs films, and he has reason to fear here. He doesn't know what though at the beginning, a young great white shark enters into the lagoon through the filtration system and up ends the pre opening day. And when one of the crew ends up, getting viciously chomped. It appears that this might actually not have done. A larger shark would have had to have been responsible, and they shudder to realize that the sharks mother, a massive thirty five foot long great white has also passed into the park, hungry for the taste of human flesh hand, also for the taste of underwater seaworld structures, a lot more to this story than that, but like I say for these jaws sequels you don't. Don't go into the sequels looking for more than just a basic premise now alves brought in some pretty unique ideas for how to shoot the shark, including this point of view, angle this shot from inside the shark's mouth. You're inside the shark. Looking out of its mouth. He originally developed that idea for a scene that he wanted to use the original jaws where. Where the Shark Attacks Matt Hooper in a cage, but Spielberg felt at that time that it distracted instead of enhanced the horror for that scene they built this one point. Six Million Gallon tank at the seaworld marine life theme park in Orlando Florida, and because Orlando is sixty miles inland. Obviously, a shark is not gonNA be able to get in there, but you know. Know through movie it's somehow ends up being on the shore, so they had some additional shooting to take place at the Sea World Park in San Diego as well as the Florida keys to use for some of the water skiing scenes now, though the unpredictability of the weather in the ocean traffic, we're no longer issues as well as the saltwater to the sharks. The shoot would be far from easy for ourselves. Because of the Three D. Process The era vision, three d process this kind of this new state of the art at least at that time, split Lynn system that allow them to use one camera instead of two. It was not quite ready to go, so they brought in Chris Khandan, who was in charge of Stereo Vision? He would come in for the first couple of weeks of shooting using the Stereo Vision Technique, but most of those result ended up being unusable in house mine, so the reflects cameras. Once he did arrive. They had to reshoot. But they were also very challenging to use required extensive pre planning for each specific shot, and at fifteen million dollars budget. This would end up becoming the most expensive three D film May to that date now unlike the prior films, there were not any delays due to a malfunctioning mechanical shark in jaws three, they made the sharks using the chassis from one of the sharks from just two and his new shark, which was designed by Roy Arbogast. It had more flexibility in its movement and its skin, and had articulation in its gills, and it's is would roll back as a real shark does when it bites into something. And there was also another shark used to represent its fin from above the water, and also for its tail section, so they really had everything ready to go. That went like clockwork, one of the few things really now once. Once it was all said and done once he had completed. The film jaws three rolled out without any advance screenings for the public or for critics. They wanted to avoid bad press because they knew that they had a film that probably was going to be derided. So the three D. Gimmick it did interest audiences enough, and it set a box office record on its opening weekend for the big. Big Film made by universal to date. It actually lingered around long enough despite bad word of mouth to generate profit raked in about three times, its shooting budget at about forty five million dollars, and maybe five times, if you factor in the additional thirty two million dollars and took overseas, but critics were far from behind when they did see the final film. They proclaim jaws three D as one of. Of the worst films of Nineteen, eighty-three was nominated for five golden. Raspberry awards those razzies. Worst picture were screenplay Joe Alves for worst director Lou Gossett junior for worst supporting actor that was actually the same year he had won an Oscar for an officer and a gentleman so pretty mixed results there and the two dolphins that are in this film also got nominated Cindy Sandy for worst new stars. So pretty much basted film by the critics, even if it turned a modest profit I, think what made the original jaws effective was the vision and the talent of Steven Spielberg, Spielberg he utilized a lot of his great skills, his eye for cinema, and he created one of the best horror adventure films of all time now just you. It was a considerable step down, and that's mostly because director Geno Swarak. He didn't really have a lot of time. Maybe he didn't have the talent either to construct anything beyond a workable film now with just three Joe Alves. This was. was his first actual direct to`real effort, even though he was second unit director, the previous film, the lack of experience really does show here. He does lack the experience built adequate tension or terror, or even engaging presentation, the charge attacks themselves lack suspense. They're replaced here by cheap attempts at shock and Gore and Joe Alves just did not understand that the terror of a shark attack comes from what you cannot see much more so than what you can. Because the sharks face is featured quite prominently whenever it makes an appearance, and the scares are diminished by the familiarity not. Not only would this be Alves debut as a director, it would also be his final credit. In that regard. He was a phenomenal production designer, but as a director he just could not cut it as it shows here in just three and I think what makes jaws three so unpalatable for so many people is that it really does lack a sense of style scenes here lumber. They don't have a lot of visual panache. There aren't a lot of moments of general interest in what's going on. It merely establishes a lot of Finley defined characters and the premise all of. Of this is interspersed by random acts of mayhem that we don't really care that much about because all of these characters are very cartoonish, the only unique visual elements come from the odd presentation here and that's because Josh was a three D. movie when it was released in theaters. So you know you have a lot of moments when things shoot ad or float by the camera, a naturally, these things might seem momentarily cool if you were watching that with three d glasses on and the movie theater, but if you're watching it today, you're probably watching it as Tutti movie. And that will lead to a lot of awkward weird moments. That will take you out of the story. The Three D. process also diminish the picture quality of the film because Josh Three when you watch it into. It's obviously not as eye-popping as the other jaws efforts. It's really marred by this murky presentation. Out of focus on the edges, excessive grain, dim lighting, unnatural colors I mean this is really an ugly and unappealing movie to watch in many ways, so even from an aesthetic standpoint, it falls short. Even the sound components of the film are Pretty Substandard. Gone is the classic John Williams score I mean it used a little bit here and there, but it's replaced mostly by this unmemorable one by TV, composer Alan Parker. This was his first ever film work. None of the music really evokes a sense of terror or dread or suspense in the slightest and compounding this the sound effects are just as out of place. They've now added this low pitched snarl to the shark. That would seem more. More appropriate for T., rex or brontosaurus instead of this fish, because sharks have no vocal cords, so they shouldn't make sounds like this, but they thought it would be more menacing. Guess can't be performances very cheesy. Special Effects, awful dialogue, and the all contribute to making jaws three a very dismal experience for just about everyone, except for a bad movie lovers I guess there are quite a few of you who listen to my show that love some of these stinkers and I can kinda understand why I actually have watched just three, probably about seven or eight times of my life I mean it's a bad movie and I really do think it sucks, but at the same time there's something kind. Kind of enjoyable about watching it on that level is pretty much hard to believe that a sequel. This downright abominable, though did not kill the franchise here because it would actually be followed by a movie that many people think is actually worse than jaws, three jaws, the revenge, which I will be talking about on the next episode from Nineteen eighty-seven, so check out John Revenge, if you are a glutton for punishment, but for what it's worth jaws three, and whether I like Josh three or jaws the revenge more I will get into on the next episode, but it's GonNa. Be Pretty Competition for worst film because I will give jaws three one star out of four one star means I do. Do think that this is an abominable film, not one I would recommend to anybody, but the most masochistic as I mentioned of bad movie lovers. If you're in that camp, I, guess you probably do enjoy this and you will watch this over and over if you're a complete list. If your jaws completed, you probably have learned to tolerate a lot of the badness for the sake of watching more jobs, but you know if I were to give this to somebody who had never heard of this franchise. Even though that seems hard to believe, they would probably come away thinking. Wow, this is just one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life and that's why I cannot give. Josh three or Josh three, the more than one star at least in two D in three D in theater. Maybe it might pack. More appeal as data event movie that they were going for. If you have your own thoughts on jaws, three and I know many of you do you can write me confined my contact information at my website? That's equipped dot net. Let me know why you think that one star is just too low for this movie. This is actually a good movie or at least. least one that deserves more than one star, you can find my email address or links to my social media at my website, webster dot net next week as I mentioned jaws, the revenge from Nineteen eighty-seven. Michael Cain Laurien Gary returning from the first two jaws films at definitely does tie in much more with first two just films, even though a lot of people still. Nonetheless for reasons I will get into on next week's episode, so thank you so much for listening and joining me on this trip around the world in eighty s movies.

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Repodcasting 33  Breakfast at Tiffanys

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Repodcasting 33 Breakfast at Tiffanys

"Podcasting part of the BERTA podcast network locally grown community supported. You ever watched the movie and wondered why the cast that woman or that guy here's our chance to give it a try re podcasting. Welcome to another episode of Re podcasting. I'm Lucia. Hygienic, how're you doing? Are you did good. It's been a while since we last recorded we had bank to couple episodes and things are starting to open up a little bit now no. You live encountering. Opening before us here in. Ontario. But. You are back at work and I had to go at work. Yes. Yeah and I've been back in the office as well. So. Maybe that's a good sign I'm hoping. I know. Or? Maybe it sends us down a Spiro. So I guess you know now there's less of Lake what are you doing with your free time? Because now we're we're going back to the usual grind of not having much free time. But thankfully, there's still time for breakfast at Tiffany's for me. So yeah. That's the movie that we're recasting today I chose it is a movie from Nineteen Sixty, one starring Audrey Hepburn enjoyed prepared and it's a movie that I really really love like it's one of my. All time favorite movies but I do recognize that there is a glaring problem with it in one of the characters and in fact, every once in awhile all google like poorly cast movies just to get extra ideas for our podcast and this one is usually at the top of every list because of the character of Mr Uneo she who was played by Mickey Rooney. So Janet, you have seen this movie before as well. Right? Watched it once before and then I watched it again for the recasting purposes is I feel like there's so much to say and I don't even know where to begin because it's just like a glaring problem with this to me otherwise really lovely movie. It is from nineteen, sixty one. But at least from what I've read and seen it was. That that character was abroad racist character even for that time a lot of the reviews at the time put down Mickey Rooney's performance. So it's not one of those things where you can be like, oh, it's old, and so you know they didn't know better. That's just how things were then like this was bad even for its time. I mean I definitely I found a review by a gentleman named James Powers and he wrote for the Hollywood reporter it's back in nineteen, sixty one and in his review she actually wrote. The role this is I'm speaking of Mr. Uneo she the rule is a caricature and it will be offensive to many. I think you're definitely right. I mean even in nineteen sixty one, it was recognized that this was. glaringly. Ray says definitely. Now yesterday you and I texted a little bit because Represe- tiffany's is based on a novella by Truman Capote, and so we were trying to figure out if union she is in Avella and what his character is like in that. So Yeah I. Took a look at it and he is there he's not in it nearly as much as he is in the movie, but he is holly upstairs neighbor and there is one time where she rings the bell late at night for him to let her in and he gets mad and then in the novella she never again. He is a photographer and he is of Japanese heritage, but he's actually from California moved to New York. So I mean I certainly get the impression that he is a Japanese American character perhaps with an accent perhaps without it's hard to tell because he really doesn't have a lot of dialogue but from breeding it I, don't see how you get to the Mickey Rooney character that we see unscreened like it's. It's not like you can say, well, they took that from the novella not at all. Well. It seems the screenwriter for this film was a woman named George Axelrod and it seems as though like they basically took the character and you know they rewrote it. For laughs but. In the meantime like it was this huge racial slur that they were that they were writing for laughs and. It's I mean viewed from today's lands. Obviously, it's it's grossly offensive but I think it was offensive back then as well. And the director Blake Edwards as well as Mickey Rooney. Both went on record later on saying that they regretted that portrayal that they didn't think it was right. But they did it at the time. In fact, Blake Edwards said looking back. I wish I had never done it and would give anything to recast it. So Blake Edwards this is for you. We're GONNA recast it were you able to find stops on the box office for this movie? So the budget and this was I found these stats on Wikipedia so the budget was two point five million and the box office was fourteen million. Quite well, for nineteen sixty one I was. Very impressed with that number lease I really really liked this movie I truly do the first time. I, saw it. I was in high school and I had never I'm pretty sure I had never seen Audrey Hepburn in anything at that point and I was just so utterly charmed by her like a completely fell in love since then I've tried to you know get get a hold of all of the movies that she's ever been in I'm just a huge huge fan and it's all from this performance as holly golightly. So I wrote a Little Synopsis for the Movie Glamour Girl Holly Golightly Navigates Life in New York City as a call girl and befriends her neighbor writer Paul. Var. Jack and I'll spoil it and then they fall in love at the end. I. Hope it's not a spoiler. Listening who hasn't seen this movie but okay. It's on Netflix son canopy go give it a watch if you haven't. So apart from recasting uneo she which was the whole purpose of doing this episode I ask Janet if she wouldn't mind recasting the to lead characters holly and Paul, but not lake in nineteen, sixty, one, a contemporary cast. Now I to disclaimer that is not to say that I think this movie should be remade or that I wanted to be remade I don't I like I mean I would love. The one thing I would love is if somebody would cut together this movie. Without Mickey Rooney. If. There's a way to do that and still have it flow. Nicely that would be incredible. Other than that. I. Don't want this movie touched but just as like an exercise for the podcast I thought it would be interesting to see what contemporaries we would put in those roles. Shar. Okay and before we do, the recasting will do a quick break. As you know, re podcasting is a member of Alberta podcast network locally grown community support it there are. A bunch of other podcasts on the network that are fantastic and you should definitely be listening to an example would be anti culture with Josephus CNN Joseph focuses on stories of unique individuals in the Cultural Matrix. So definitely check out anti-culture along with so many other great podcasts at Alberta podcast network dot, com, and let's get right into the recast. SHALL WE JANET? I can go first since I, picked the movie. So Mickey, Rooney, there's no question wrong choice for this role. Definitely I. Did decide to keep the neighbor as a Japanese American man as it was in the novella and I was looking around for actors who were already in Hollywood at that time and I found James She Guetta who was in flower drum song a musical in the same year and a lot of people will know him as tacky from die hard so. He was in the Hollywood business for quite a long time and I thought that it would be great to still see Japanese character. In this movie we didn't need to lake necessarily make them all white people, but to actually have a Japanese actor portray him. was. Sort of a challenge in a sense to was that there didn't seem to be a lot of. Asian actors that were really working in Hollywood at that time it's. Absolutely, it was a challenge. There were a lot of Japanese actors I'm sure but in Hollywood. A tougher find did you want to go ahead with your union and then we can get into the contemporary. For. Sure So I. Really didn't. I don't know I mean I didn't read the Novella, which is why I asked you if you had read. Because I actually didn't even realize that there was a book. I. Had no idea that that was the source material that it was written by Truman capote like that was news to me, right Discover that when I started doing research for the so I was really curious as to whether the character even existed in the book or if the. If the screenwriter. That's George. axelrod she took artistic license. When she did well. I find it. So interesting that that would sort of the direction the decided go in with the script. Like, it would've been so easy to just have draw. This character. Yeah. Considering the she was basically non-existent in the novella. Yeah. Yeah. He really doesn't like in terms of him appearing in the Novella, he's an very little, and then he has spoken about as well a little bit but that's it. Feels like. Like just. That the screenwriter mate who am I? Mean writer. Critique this guy but still I just find it I find it interesting that that was sort of the direction like they could have gone in any direction. Any direction I mean they could have completely gotten rid of this character. they could've done so many things I mean when you're adopting something from a book, we've seen it time and time and time again right I'm time there's something adopted from a book and it's so loosely adopted and they change characters and they change locations and they make so many changes. So the fact that they decided to do this. Feel. I don't know it's just like an egregious sort of free Chal slur it really They did not have to go in this direction. It was a decision to do that. And I found it really interesting that Truman Capote, he watched the movie for the first time. She said, it was the most miss cast film. I have ever seen. It made me want to throw up. There's no ambiguity there. Like we know exactly how he felt about this end. So the casting obviously he wrote this book and then they did all this shit and you know they trashed book I guess that's how he fell offensively. Yeah. The two main characters are quite different from his two main characters as well. Yeah. There is a lot that's very, very different in I can imagine that because I think this is also that's quite personal to him because the narrator who is like a Paul Var Jack Essentially, does seem to be. Him like writing version of himself and the holly golightly character isn't Amalgam of friends of his Some have speculated that it's loosely based on his mother. So I think it's something that was super personal to him. So I can imagine the type of changes that they made being really offensive to him. Regardless of being offensive overall I can see why he would not like it. Interesting too about the casting of Mr Uneo she was a there seems to be sort of it was a visit sort of thing because the producer at least one of the producers Richard Shepherd, she wanted to recast the rule initially. UNEO, she should've been performed by a Japanese actor. Wasn't saying that retrospectively that was his opinion when they were I guess casting for the movie it was Blake Edwards. Who really pushed? For Mickey Rooney. Apparently, like everyone later on everyone turned on Blake Edwards. So really seems like it was directors sort of pick on this. Yeah. He was friends with Mickey Rooney from what gather I guess so Anyway we. Did go in a completely different direction because Mr Uneo. She does not play prominently in the source material. I decided to like just completely get rid of him not even use actor. Because I was like, why? Like know this is so problematic. And also personally when I was doing my research, I didn't find. A lot of Japanese American actors and I thought you know we're just GonNa get I'm just GonNa get into the same situation where I'm struggling to find someone. I bought the whole thing with really problematic. So I wanted to stay away from it. So I rewrote the part I made it a female neighbor someone who's really nosy also kind of crusty. Mr Uneo she was like she was kind of crusty kind of guy. I don't care. Forget that he was Japanese American. That's not why he was crusty but I felt like that would be were saying, oh, he's so mean. curmudgeonly because he's a Japanese American men like what does that have to do with anything right? It's ridiculous. The subtle like just like the stereotype was just awful. So I, turned it into a female because that was my other problem. I don't know I guess comedy back then. Right. Really. It was only men who got like the comedic roles. Are Not spot where they were recognizing women as being. Funny. Like women weren't being given that Opportunity Act. So I also that's kind of why I wanted a female in the role as well. You know I thought well, we can still be a nosy sort of curmudgeonly neighbor. So I, also renamed a character. Curry George axelrod. took. Over your job here instead of recasting I also made myself. So. I call the character Mrs Fucker. Bunker. Its. Name to say. On Everyone trying to say hunker bunker like I i. just I'm sure no one else thinks it's funny. I really don't care. Either Carol Burnett. That's greed Carol Burnett Greek yeah and she was just. Four of lake she was just coming into prominence around that. She has been on Broadway. and she'd had like back had been sort of her breakout success in nineteen sixty nine did a play called once upon a mattress. And she even got to Tony Non for it. So that was like that was her breakout sort of role she starting to become more of known actor and I mean, if she'd been in this movie, obviously like it would've tadpoles it her career. Well also would have been nice for I mean there were other women in this movies but. I would've been great. She's I. Think She's wonderful. It would have been fun. You're a there isn't a ton of female characters and. I was trying to think about it at this movie might not pass back Del test either because generally the women are talking about men right So. Yeah. That's cool. I like that you know what's really interesting is to me the. Character in the movie is actually an amalgam of a couple of the neighbors in the building. One of whom is a nosy downstairs lady neighbor I, forget her name right now she has an odd name as well. Yes. So it feels like even without having read it you you went in that direction that Truman Capote had gone into. I Love Carol Burnett. So I'm always up for seeing her in anything I like that. Cool So let's move onto Holly Golightly and Paul Dr Jack Circa. Twenty. Twenty, actually, this is probably like the characters are supposed to be relatively young although Audrey Hepburn was thirty one at the time when this came out So I'm pretty sure that the people that I cast are more like mid to late thirties i. that's all right. We'll go with them anyway. Because I like this movie. So much I wanted to think of people who are kind of timeless because even if what we're considering here right now is a twenty twenty remake I still want it to have kind of a feeling of the nineteen sixties movie. So in terms of somebody who I think could have the same kind of Schwab Vive that Audrey Hepburn gives us in holly I thought of Emily Blunt. Yeah I like her a lot and I think that she can play really fun in light in charming and I could very much see her having a real fun time with a rolling this young. Actress Ring Yes she is she can do pretty much anything and so somebody to play off of her nicely but also. Have that again that timeless kind of charm. Somebody who's Dapper in sexy Ed's can kind of do it all as well. Someone who's also versatile. I Cast Ryan Gosling as Paul Dr. Jack. Good. Yeah. It is interesting because when I was re watching it. Because like I said, I've seen it many many times. But when I was re watching it to recast it, I was watching the DVD so I watched a couple of special features and. I did read. Some articles here and there, and I was surprised at learning about George prepared how he was onset because I do think that overall he comes across well in the movie. I by the chemistry between them but learning that you know it sounds like he was kind of a jerk. And he kinda made things difficult for everybody onset. That was a bummer. When I was recasting it, I wanted to pick someone who? To. Me Is a good embodiment of the character that I saw on screen and like just trying to forget everything I read about him as an actor. Yeah. So for my It's interesting because I was reading Truman capote wanted Marilyn Monroe for this role initially. Fan of Audrey Hepburn? Yes. because. I think he wasn't a fan I. Don't know if he wasn't a fan of Audrey Hepburn I think he thought she was all wrong for holly like he just. Didn't see her because. So the character is apparently slightly based on Marilyn Monroe as well. She is one of the people who holly is album of. So I can totally see why he would want her in that role it would be a really differ movie. And I'd Kinda like to see it to I'm a big fan of Marilyn Monroe but. I just I love Audrey Hepburn in this so much so i. I like what she did with it even if it's not what the original writer wanted. Described Holly as an American Which? I'm not even GONNA. Tell you some of the words hull uses in the book because they're appalling and I were there words I will not say. For my hall the you know we I. Character holly is very enigmatic. She's kind of. Kind of mysterious. Movie. You get that sense. She's mercurial I mean she's all over the place. At times she's eccentric You know she's very flirtatious s she's just. Losing all that charm she's she's a magnet. To men. So I actually I had like two people that I thought of would be really really good and the first person that I went with I seen this actress in a few different things and I really think based on what I have seen her do in her work. I think that she could definitely capture that accent of holly like all those. All those characteristics. Like that flirtatiousness. ECCENTRICITY definitely. Do it Ange- my first choice with Tessa Talk. Okay. I know the name I feel like I'm picturing the right person which she in the men in black reboot. Yes okay and she was also in sorry to bother you mean. That was like when I was thinking photo her performance in. Sorry to bother you. That's what I was link. Think she could really channel Die Internee at Holly has. And she's i. a lot of people might know her from the Marvel Universe. She was in four Ragnar. She's in the avengers and game, but she's also on Westworld. For anyone who's a fan of that show or doesn't within a fan and wants to check it out? And you know it's funny because I have been well when I was quarantining or whatever I got into this show called Veronica Mars, which is an older show. And she tested Thompson was actually on the second season of it. So. Good. I had no idea that she had been on online and she just she has. Energy she is holly as far as I'm concerned like just based on what I've seen, her do and her work. The other actor that I was thinking of is rose macgyver. Yes do you know who she is? So for anyone who doesn't recognize that name in terms of TV were she did a show called is on me And then she's also in the Christmas prints moving is which. A lot of people will know here from from that more. So than from is Avi but I definitely see rose McIvor playing holly golightly as well. 'cause. Just. Based on work especially the the TV work that I've seen her like she was excellent and find iggy and she would play like all these different characters And she just has this ability to like she's. She's kind of you know what almost reminds me of James mcevoy in a sense that she can played so many different characters. believably, and you're like, wow, she can do comedy skinned do drama and she has lake that flirtatiousness about her and she maybe has like a little bit more. I don't know what the word is like. Holly comes across they sanitized Holly for the movie rain? And so I feel like rose McIvor maybe could play that a little bit better than Tessa Thompson I don't know but I think she would broke macgyver which would would be good. That's interesting. I haven't seen enough of her stuff. I saw her in the lovely bones thanks to re podcasting. and. Yes. and. Then I did see the Christmas prince and so clearly based on that I don't see. Holly golightly but. But Yeah I definitely need to see more I do like Tessa Thompson though I think that she would be a very cool holly. Anti. For Paul. who was played by George Part. Paul is you know what I find with Paul and Holly is that they're very much alike. I mean pollock the kept man. Right in the movie. Having. Like she's having sex with some older lady who pays them for it is married and you know while he supposedly like is a writer. I don't see him much work in that movie. But. Okay. You're a writer Paul. Foot Tall. If you know he's charming she social climber. If I was to describe Paul I would say Paul is like a charming social climber. Really, interesting was one of the producers of breakfast at Tiffany's when I guess they were trying to cast the role of Paul Merton Jero. He said something really interesting that I kind of went with in terms of my casting, he says, the male lead is just a pair of shoulders. So it's not to say that you're, not getting. Basically the rule is kind of like. I don't. WanNa say it's a nothing burger. Because obviously there is. A of there's a romance there's a relationship there rain. But at the same time, it's true. He's just kind of. Thinner like didn't necessarily need somebody WHO's. You know a stellar actor say, right. Now I feel bad about these I feel like. I'm not I'm. Not so my first pick with Sam Claflin. Him I. Don't know. Yeah. So Sam Claflin a lot of people know him from the hunger, games he was Finnick. he was in me before you. She was in Love Wedding Ri peak he's Donald Romantic comedies that was one of the reasons I decided to put him in this role because he's done a lot. If anyone watches peaky blinders. He was just most recently and season five, but he's good at playing that romantic lead. that. is their. Right, it's not fan class was about actor I don't think he is. But I can totally see him playing the role of Paul totally. Lake I was watching it and he was the first person came to my mind like Sam Claflin would be lake all over this. And then you know what I would love to see. Sam Claflin and Tessa Thompson. Acting off one another. I. Would Love that I would love to see them. I've seen partners I. think that would be so interesting. But I mean, I could see him with with rose macgyver as well. With both. At those two actresses and I would love to see how like chemistry would work. And then also my second choice was Donald Clever. Yeah. Donald. Glover. Childish Gambino. And then a lot of people might know him from community. He was on a show called Atlanta, and then for all the start words fan he was in the solo movie played Landau Television but Yeah Donald. Glover. He's got that I could see him playing Paul McGrath for. Charming Guy who's willing an older lady like same with Fan Class on like I can just see them in those roles and I mean, obviously they would have their own interpretation of it but I would really love to see that Donald Clever with that super charming smile of his. And, I mean same thing I could totally see him which tends to Thompson I would love to see him with Tessa Thompson. and. Even Ruins macgyver I could see those two acting opposite one another I was Lexi that I think would be really interesting. I. Am blown away at what a good pick that is. Because I find Donald Glover incredibly charming I think he's fantastic. He can do comedy do drama. He can do adventure he like he's really good in everything I, see him in. But I have never seen him as like a romantic lead and what I haven't seen Atlanta. So I don't know what his character is like there but I wanna see him as the lead in a romantic comedy I know. I think of lot of actors don't want to do them like they're seen as you know, and that's one of the things about Sam Claflin that I often read about him like that criticism does a lot of romantic comedy Well what's wrong with that right I? Think every actor I think every male actor should have a romantic comedy on their resume for sure at least one June I mean and I mean, obviously, there are some actors that they don't want to do them because they're not seen a serious or they don't get you like really exercise their craft in a romantic comedy but I mean, they're popular romantic comedies always make money. Even the bod one. Comedies that are awful. The always make money because there's For them. So yeah, and you know what's funny I would say in argument in favor. Actors doing romantic comedies is look at Matthew mcconaughey he had like. A string of romantic comedies almost to the point where he was pigeonholed but he's gone onto win awards have all kinds of critically acclaimed roles just because you're in a romantic comedy or or several even it doesn't mean that you're not gonna be able to get other media roles I. Mean You can't. If you're in a romantic comedy I mean. People have become like I think imagine McConnell Hey at one point had really become very much a joke. Hollywood, like people were super dismissive of him and his career because he had made a career out of doing romantic comedies. There's skill. Anything right and yes. So like I said, I wasn't trying to be dismissive of either actor especially not Sam Claflin because he's on I have seen picky. You Watch to keep liners Imax devoted peaky blinders fan. And he is. He plays a villain in season five and listen Sam Class Act okay. He Acts Opposite Gillian Murphy and he hold his own and any actor that is able to do that nobody should be questioning their acting abilities. So I mean I think Sam Class has done a lot of romantic comedies but he's doing good at them and he is very charming and there's a reason why he gets. Offered them because he is so charming and he he's smooth but he's also he's got like a little bit more of that goofiness i. think she's maybe he's he's good at comedy as well. I think maybe he hasn't necessarily been given that opportunity, but he was good I liked him in love wedding repeat like he certainly the movie was I thought it was horrible but he was like one of the better. It was just as hair that was really distracting but. I thought he was good in it. Anyway. Those picks. Okay. I. Think that's really interesting because I am at least recently, I have been one of those people very much like unlike romantic comedies, I don't like comedies. But then when I start looking at what is included in that category, I think a lot of people have come to expect hallmark movies, lifetime movies as the definition of a romantic comedy whereas there's tons of movies that are very very excellent but they are lighter and they are romantic, and so they end up under the romantic comedy category and so yeah, I feel like people tend to be very very dismissive of it but there are good ones and so there are ones where. You have to be a good actor if it's GonNa turn out to be a good movie. So yeah, I don't know I think for the most part when we do this both you and I tend to not pick crappy actors anyway 'cause trying to improve. So anyway. Yeah. I have to say I, really really loved the pick of Donald Glover. Now that you've said that input that in my head I, desperately wanted to see him as a romantic comedy lead. Universe. Don't happen. Good. So I don't have a lot of like slim facts. We've already kind of covered everything, but I just want to mention something that I. Thought was interesting for this movie Audrey Hepburn was paid seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars which made her the highest paid actress per film at the time. In a that was. Damn Straight So the ratings for the movie on imdb This has a seventy six percent from six critic reviews and on rotten tomatoes it has an eighty eight, two percent from fifty one reviewers. So it's pretty damn high on rotten tomatoes gaffed. Mention. About it's the Academy Awards wants to talk about that or I didn't look that up. so it actually went to offers. It won for best original Song Greunen River, of course. and. It also won best original score. But. There were also a nomination for best actress. Best adapted screenplay, Haha. HILARIOUS Arch Direction. I'm glad that Audrey Hepburn was nominated for this role. Racked. Up. Accolades. And I just have one little fun fact that I would like to mention before we move on to our next segment. Because it's a movie that like it's still icon incur looks Ashley in terms of like the little black dress and the pearls I mean. You know, how many times have we seen prints of that and and people trying to recreate it and that SORTA. Thanks. And this was sort of a fun fact for me because I always assumed that the like this is completely an aesthetic thing that that I'm going to talk about here. But I I always thought she was wearing ray bans in the movie she was not wearing these sunglasses were designed by someone named Oliver Old Smith in London. So it's like why people are saying she was wearing ray bans all this nine. I guess the. Yet no, but I guess the the glasses that she's wearing in the opening scene which he's having breakfast at Tiffany's They kind of have the shape of Ruben. So maybe people just assume I don't know. Whenever this movie has been discussed. They always talk about. Has. Nice I forgot there was one other thing I wanted to mention in your mentioned the Oscars brought it up because one for Moon River. The scene of Audrey? Hepburn. Playing singing Moon River on her fire escape is such Leica. Eat. Touching scene and when they were. I think it was like when they were either viewing an early cut of the whole movie or when they were going through dailies or something the producers wanted to cut that scene and Audrey Hepburn basically said over my dead body and stated. Well they were. You know I, read some criticisms about her voice that she had sort of A. Her voice wasn't super strong but. Who Cares. and. That was actually something that I took into consideration when I was retesting my hauling. Because both Tessa Thompson and rose macgyver like it was funny because I was googling them on my computer wouldn't be the AXA thing and they both have lovely voices. Perfect. Got Because it. was I read like a few different criticisms about Audrey Hepburn because of that It is weird. First of all, she doesn't sing a ton and the scene where she does. Exactly and they soon where she does sing, it's a beautiful scene so we don't need. Ukulele? Yeah. Anyone who, I think Ukulele is not serious musician. Okay if L. Ukulele heads come at. How Well let's take one last break before we go on to our final segment. Today. I want to tell you about eighty B.'s new podcast the future of. Join Todd Hirsch ATP's Vice President and Chief Economist as he connects with special guests who offer unique and useful perspectives about the future explore how our economy and communities cannot only brace for change but embrace the opportunity at creates. From the future of women in business to the changing nature of work itself, the future of helps us understand what's coming and what we need to do today to get the tomorrow we want. featuring two episodes, each month plus bonus episodes. The future of includes interviews with top community and business leaders from Berta and around the world. Subscribe to the future of in the apple store Google play spotify and everywhere podcast sir found and connect to ask your questions about the future by emailing the future of at eight hundred dot com. And now back to the show. And we're back and it's time for our final segment. In class. It's time for home close young Tony Danza, the segment where we can twenty data into one of the roles in this movie Janet. What do you think? Okay. I'll be honest. I had forgotten completely about the segment I'm very ashamed. But I'm going to go the stereotypical wrote I'm GonNa cast mess. Sally, Tomato. Obviously not in nineteen sixty one I'm pretty sure he was a baby. Yes I think he'd be fun as a the lake because the side that we see if sally is just lake a caring uncle type of character. So I could see Tony Well I Tony Lead role I catch Paul Ooh. Deserves to be elite and also he's very charming and. Older women would pay him percents. I could see. It would be totally believable that she'd be sweeping all these ladies. And it would be totally believable. Win. He kind of takes the right turn of like when he dumps to e which I, it took me forever to figure out what her name was. The character lake who. Paul is initially with. So her name I forget it now but it's like. It's two names that both begin with the letter e so he calls her to e the whole time. Yeah. And then the net flicks subtitles call her to League which is definitely not. But anyway. You. Now I've lost my train of thought. But. That's. Yeah. It's completely gone I. Don't know why I brought her up. I could see her paying Tony Danza to sleep with her. There you go. Yeah. I. Liked that actually I, think he would be a good pulverize. Okay so I don't think we. For next month, we will be casting a surprise. Yes. And as always on social media, you can find us at re podcasting. If you have any movies that you'd like to suggest rest to recast or if you WanNa talk about any of our choices, you can do that at re podcasting at gmail.com and Janet. Sometimes, I asked this at the end. What do you think? Did we improve this movie? The movie, the way you are. So I don't know if we improved it, I, certainly think in terms of the. The Mickey Rooney character. I HOPE We improved it somewhat. I. Would think. So I think getting him out of there. And putting almost anybody else in the his place. Not, at all it was it was gratuitous. It was broad it also lake because the movie is funny overall like there are other funny moments and this and that but the type of humor that, Mickey, Rooney's bringing to it doesn't fit with the rest of the movie. Need that character overall all in the movie like there's enough happening in the movie that if you didn't have Mr Uneo she in the movie so what it wouldn't matter who? Didn't necessarily. Certainly. Doesn't add anything to the movie anything. For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. Well, thanks for go through this. Janet. And we'll see you guys next month and see you next month. Janet. Again just wanted to let you know that next month will be recasting the Flintstones, the Nineteen ninety-four Live action movie starring John Goodman Elizabeth Perkins Rosie O'Donnell and Rick Moranis. It's available on Netflix. And recast along with US see next month.

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08 - The New Years Special - "Of All The Gin Joints" with Mark Bailey.

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08 - The New Years Special - "Of All The Gin Joints" with Mark Bailey.

"From media Welcome to Hollywood unscripted. I'm your host. Got To Lalla the Malibu Film Society. It's our New Year's Eve episode and for that we have a very special special guest. He's produced and written more than a dozen feature length documentaries which have collectively won one primetime emmy and been nominated for four others plus one academy award. He's he's also written three books. One of which seems like the ideal selection to talk about on New Year's eve of all the GIN joints stumbling through Hollywood history. Mark Bailey. Welcome welcome to Hollywood unscripted. Thank Scott thanks for having me. Let's talk about the book. What inspired you to write of all the GIN joints? This is sort of a follow up to an initial book. DOC which was a book about hard-drinking writers and that I did as I did this with my partner at Hemingway who's an illustrator and the name is not a coincidence. He is the youngest grandson of Ernest. He is I think that the first idea for the book came from him and was born out of that sort of family circumstance. He had this idea about his grandfather end. Father and writing about well known highly regarded hard-drinking writers that was called Hemingway in Bailey's bartending guide to great American writers. It was a great book to to work on. It had a lot of cocktail recipes and they were sort of from the classic era and these writers were Eugene. O'Neill and William Faulkner Scott Fitzgerald and the stories were wild in cast back to a different era where there was a different social norm Anna Different Code of behaviour and we tend to look back and think that the pass was somehow more innocent or pure but it was really anything but that in so then that book came out and did pretty well and we were looking to follow up with another book walk in. We thought well you know how about Hollywood and it happened that after we sold that book I moved out here and wrote the book out here and he illustrated at back in New York uh-huh and we sort of worked together across the country so that was how the book came to be and it follows the same format. I mean. It's a delightful mix of these incredible stories and cocktail recipes recipes. The first book was a little bit more of a bartending guide. In this the subtitle is stumbling through Hollywood history and I like to think of it as sort of social film film history through the bottom of a whiskey glass. That's great description. It really seems like that of the writing is tremendous I absolutely love your storytelling. Oh thank you. We'll come back to the questions in a minute but one of the stories with us. Sure I think that I'll kick it off with a story about Humphrey bogart since it's the Humphrey Bogart line. That is the title title of the Book of all the GIN joints and the way. The book is designed and built around anecdotes. Rabat different stars so this is about. I'm free Bogart in. It always leads off with a quote. The bogart guard quote is the whole world is about three drinks behind me. The other bogart quote that I really like and it was a bit of a toss up. We're BOGART's last words. which were supposedly? I should never never have switched from Scotch to Martinis so if you're thinking of doing that this new years. I don't know bogart would argue. Otherwise so here's a story about Humphrey Bogart. It wasn't a joke but it damn well should have been certainly began like one so Humphrey bogart walks into to a bar with two stuffed. Panda Bogart was by then in September. Nineteen forty nine the biggest movie star in the world and he was out in New York with an old drinking buddy named L. Semen they'd been carousing since early. The two of them in bogies wife Lauren. Bacall but she'd gone back to the hotel hours ago. After Mrs Bogart left the men found themselves themselves in need of a standard that might scare off would be home records and drunk. Somehow it emerged that a nearby delicatessen sold a historically random nonfood item as delicatessens have a way of doing stuffed pandas. Not just any stuffed pandas. Mind you each of these weighed in at more than twenty pounds in set you back twenty five bucks a pop perfect bogart. Semen bought a couple of pandas and hopped a cab to Morocco. Were they requested a table for four two seats for them to for their there date seated in that was supposed to be the end of it. Getting seated with two panda's unfortunately for Bogart the real end would take four days to arrive in. It wouldn't be over for drinks with his friends. It'd be in court. Here's the thing. Bogert was a gregarious man with a keen sense of humor but he was only comfortable among friends and his social circle. Go with tight knit. The rat pack later so closely associated with Frank Sinatra was in fact bogart's creation with Bogart at the center. The mission of the group Bogart said Ed was quote. The relief of boredom in the perpetuation of independent bacall was a member of course so Sinatra. Judy Garland Spencer Tracy talent. Alan pagent Irving Lazar. There were all part of the original RATPAC. You might see them out at Romanoff's or on rare occasions in Las Vegas drinking and carrying on but if you weren't part of the pack you're an outsider and you weren't welcome which brings us back to the Pandit if you were to spy Bogart at a nightclub. In the wee hours of the morning propping up an oversized stuffed animal. You might think that it was a not so subtle message about the company he preferred to keep in. If you knew anything about bogert which you might since he was more or less the biggest star in the world. You wouldn't consider yourself in on the joke. But a young model name Robin Roberts thought she was special as young models often do she approached Bogart's table on our way out out laughed and picked up one of the panels in Bogart. Given the number of drinks he had put away by. This point happened to be feeling very protective of this panda. So he naturally pulled the panda close to him and told me his Roberts to leave him alone for he was a married man and then the woman fell over. She said he shoved her. He said she lost her balance. Four days later he was is in a Manhattan courtroom facing legal action. The panda fiasco immediately hit the tabloids with Bogart protesting his innocence. Every step of the way one reporter asked OPTIMA feet struck Ms Roberts. He said he would never hit a woman there too. Dangerous another reporter asked if he was drunk at the time of the incident he replied. Isn't everyone at four. AM fortunately for Bogart. Judge presiding over the case founded as ridiculous as heated. Throwing it out after the first hearing it turns out being left alone. And when you're the biggest star in the world requires a lot of people that's great. I remember doing research on Humphrey Bogart when we were celebrating the seventy fifth anniversary of Casablanca which is a remarkable film in so far as almost none of the people who made it originally scheduled to make it and they were all brought in after changes and they started shooting before the end of the movie had been written right? Do you know who Humphrey Bogart was in real alive. And what his background was he was a preppie or prep school kid. His Dad was the most prominent obstetrician gynecologist in New New York. His mother illustrated children's books and had studied under Whistler. It is interesting that in a certain way not surprising. Because Bogart is I understand. At least the studios were looking for his persona for a while before he became the Bogart that we know of Casablanca. The Maltese Falcon or The hardboiled oiled bogart. He laid villains. He played sort of altogether different types and then he kind of got traction with the hard edge right but that didn't necessarily surly speak to who he was. And this is one of the things I think in this book and when you look earlier actors like John Gilbert in later actors maybe like Dennis Hopper. Let's let's hair. You know where the roles or the persona bleeds into real life. The presumption offscreen is that you're much like the type that you play on screen and he began to live at a bit more Brian. So if you're wild and out there and Edgy onscreen you take that into your personal life and you kind of see that happening a lot with different actors. The other part is there are guys. He's like Lee. Marvin who's a big world war two hero and you know stormed over twenty beachheads. Seems like he genuinely was a stone. Cold Bad ASS US in. That is who he played right. Mitchum was a kid in the depression riding the rails at age fourteen on his own ruin. Mitchum was a hard tough guy. Hi that is who he played. You know it's remarkable to me that the onscreen Bogart was a hundred eighty degrees from who he started out as offscreen. I have a funny when I could read. Yeah I mean just since you're talking about Casablanca Casablanca. It seems crazy that you say that particularly that they were in production before the script was done because it seems like such a tight film and when you wonder how these giant hugely finance movies go pear-shaped and who let at that happen. I often think it's sort of as the rush into production and you're trying to accommodate actors schedules and you have them in. You have to go in. The script is and ready and then it comes atom model. But let me read you one. This is beat the devil which is a nineteen fifty three John Huston film than he did with Bogart. One of the things that the book has is we also talk about a number of different film sets that were particularly wild or dysfunctional. And this one taps into some of that and has some fun folks John. Houston's beat the devil with a total disaster almost from the start maybe a total disaster is a little strong since by some miracle. Nobody actually ended up dead the film directed by Houston Featuring Humphrey Bogart Jennifer Jones. Peter Lorre in Gina. Lollobrigida was to be shot largely on location and in a little town called Ravelo in Italy a picturesque mountain village. That's high up on the Amalfi coast. There were some early warning signs. I The sexy Italian. An actress Lollobrigida had never been in an English speaking film before this most likely was because she could barely speak English like not almost second traveling traveling Inter Avello the Italian chauffeur driving Houston and Bogart got into a car accident. John Huston was fine but bogert was pitched forward cracking some teeth in badly gouging his tongue so even before shooting commenced the female lead couldn't speak English in the male lead. Couldn't speak at all in third to complicate things even further further. Neither Lollobrigida nor bogart nor the rest of the cast had yet to see any of their lines. The reason being that Houston had thrown a party the weekend before for the start of principal photography during which he tore up the entire script. It was tearing up the script party. Apparently the original draft had run into trouble with the the motion picture production code and nobody liked it very much anyways Houston decided to fly novelist Truman capote over to Italy to write the new script on a day-to-day basis as they shot capote would work through the night in pages would be handed out to the cast in the morning. lollobrigida would learn her lines. Phonetically bogart art until his mouth. Healed would mime his lines. which would later be dubbed conceivably could've worked had only the cast and crew not decided to embark on a bender of legendary very proportions capote cozy as Bogart had begun to finally call him soon began to feel that bogert in Houston? We're trying to kill him with their dissipation. He described everyone is half drunk all day. Dead drunk all night noting that once believe it or not. I came around at six in the morning to find king for Ruch doing the Hula Hula. In the middle of BOGART's bedroom it seemed Houston had not created a very productive work environment in Yiddish folktales. The Russian city of how is depicted as a city of Fools Fools Jennifer Jones character and beat the devil was named Mrs Gwendolyn home and insiders Wync some believe at what the production had become. Certainly Houston seems self-aware. In an interview years later he would say it was a bit of a travesty. We were making fun of ourselves. Some critics would see. The picture is one of the first examples examples of camp arguing that Houston Bogart were hell bent on parodying. The Newark classics the Maltese Falcon Key. Largo like that. These were classics. What's that they themselves had crafted? But that didn't mean that the mayhem wasn't real both Houston and Capote tell a story about bogert arm-wrestling all comers in the lobby of the Hotel Hotel Palumbo. He even challenged Little Kaposi wavering. Five dollars astonishingly capote up to fifty dollars and then actually beat bogart rather effortlessly fleet. Pushing his arm flat. Everyone was wide. I'd I'd like to see you do that. Just one more time. Bogart said double or nothing but again capote pushed his arm down then then once more bogart losing a total of one hundred and fifty dollars not having it pogue are started to wrestle around with the writer whom Houston now considered a little bulldog of a man and in here again capote somehow managed to trip bogart flipping the hardboiled screen legend onto his ass and in the process hurting bogart's elbow so badly that they had to stop production for three days. Houston we have a problem to borrow a phrase from the production cinematographer Oswald Morris. In Fact Morris himself tells another story of being accent fetch. Houston early one morning only to get a strong whiff of smoke as he approached Houston's room it seemed the bottom half of the bedroom door from the doorknob to the floor was red hot hash. The door was cracked. Open enough for Morris to slip inside where he found. The director crashed out on the bed. Empty Bottles of Jack Daniels. A couple of Sudi ash trays trays and script pages littering the floor. Apparently an electric room heater had been pushed too close to the door and was about to set the room ablaze. Morris reached out and took Houston Shoulder. John it's Ozzy a muffled houses. Boy John Your bedroom doors alight silence then again John Your bedroom doors alight and then only Oh oh how I love. The smell of burning wood has houston rolled over and went back to sleep but in the end the film was finished. Nobody had died. BOGART would go on to the CAINE mutiny in Houston would spend another thirty years. Directing films. beat the devil however would be both a commercial and a critical flop but then over time that two would change and it is now considered something of a cult classic as for those lines of Bogart's the ones to later be dubbed. This was done during post production at England's shepherd and studios a a young British actor was hired to provide bogart's voice a remarkable mimic his name. Peter sellars at last professional comedian. It come on board. Well you know one of the things that struck me is that some of the stories are just flat out funny and others looking through them them through the Lens of today kind of sad. Yeah I agree. Talk to me about the research because almost all of these stories I'd never heard was an enormous amount of research which one thing that we decided early on and we had done this. This is Ed Hemingway and I and our earlier book is. We weren't gonNA write about anybody who is living we sort of had to rules. We weren't gonNA write about anybody who's living thing and we were going to generally stick to people who were known to be hard drinkers. Did it was part of their public figure. We weren't sort of outing. Somebody who is a closet drinker. It wasn't known for that so probably the richest sources. Were Memoir in autobiography. Because those were sort of first person accounts I mean like in the story I read about beat the Devil Oswald Morris did write his own autobiography called Houston. We have a problem and he tells lots of firsthand stories as Houston cinematographers and. That was great. You know so. Those first person accounts were really useful. Does a lot in magazines and newspapers of the time the very public figures so for example with Bogart in the panda fiasco and the lines that he was quoted as saying in the courtroom those were covered in the press but it was Significant undertaking and we did create a bibliography at the back of the book. Because after we'd done so much research we thought we should really listed out there so other other folks can dive in but we did find two sources for everything so there wasn't anything that we relied on a single source for. How long did this take took a few years? We bit off more than we'd get. Choose got got ad was illustrating books. He writes children's books. And I make documentary films so cross this for years. I was making films and writing other things. There was so much research that went into this. I don't know how you found time to do anything else. Yeah well we had helped with that to you get researchers and sometimes they pull stuff in I and they do. Have I pass it in. You know we're looking for very specific parts of someone's life The other thing that is really helpful the came about in this. Was this kind of difference. I think between our first book on writers and our second book on Hollywood which were probably five six years apart was being able to get books on kindle because because then you can word search in that actually allows you to move through books much more easily an isolated parts that might involve the social life. The drink of the work is extraordinary. I mean you go all the way back to the very beginnings of Hollywood in the silent era. Yeah it goes from the silent era in the early days. The Buster Astor Keaton's and Mabel Norman's and John Gilbert's and Marian Davies all of those folks all the way through the seventies and people like Sinatra and Mitcham Ava Gardner owner Lee Marvin. So it's a big stretch. This is a story about Lee Marvin. He's certainly Samson his quote quite tough. He says Tequila Straight. There's a real polite drink you keep drinking until you finally take one more and it just won't go down then you know you've reached your lemon. Just start driving. He'll oh come down. At least that was the logic director John Boorman and his wife Christel had just finished dinner with Lee Marvin at Jack's at the beach in Santa Monica. Well that's not not entirely true. It had started as dinner but the Arrow is now two. AM in Marvin was ripped on Martinis. They'd all arrive together in Marvin's car which he now insisted insisted on driving. Even though Bormann was trying to take away his keys. Fuck you Marvin head said rearing back gesturing with an Imaginary Samurai Sword. This this was a man who had made. twenty-one beach landings in the South Pacific during World War Two still. The Imaginary Sword didn't prevent anyone from getting into the car in so Marvin persisted. Did he felt he was completely capable of driving into demonstrate this. He climbed up onto the top of the vehicle like an orangutan in crouched on the luggage rack. Pity Poor John. Boreman the British filmmaker who is directing his first American feature point blank with Marvin is the lead forman was as yet untested. He was also rewriting. The script on the fly since Marvin had thrown the original shooting draft out the window locations were being scouted sets were being designed instill. No one knew exactly what they were. Filming form would regularly meet with. Marvin is Malibu. Beach House to apprise him of his progress. The meetings typically when well in less Marvin had too much to drink beyond a certain level of vodka forman would right. He sailed out on his own into deeper waters. Where no mortal could follow indeed need when drunk? Marvin left behind often even himself one morning he arrived home from an all nighter without his house. Keys after ringing the bell he was greeted at the door were by an unfamiliar woman when he asked what she was doing in his house. She replied you sold it to me. Three months ago. He had to buy a star map to figure out where he currently lives. Prior to pointblank. Marvin had been in Vegas for production of the professionals one night returning to his hotel. After a long day shooting death valley he'd put quarter order after quarter into a slot machine he couldn't get to work not realizing it was actually a parking meter anyway. The luggage rack. Marvin's car was parked at at the end of the Santa Monica pier jutting into the ocean foreman figure if he drove the length of appear he could demonstrate he was serious about this in. Marvin would relent so he he gave a shot to no avail before reaching the actual road form and got out and ask Marvin if he was ready to come down. Marvin snarled Borman got back behind behind the wheel. It was late. The Pacific Coast highway was practically deserted in Marvin had left them no choice form and turned onto the highway in slowly headed toward Marvins beach chows. It wasn't long before rolling appeared in the rear view mirror. The police form in pulled over and officer approached the car assessing the scene. Finally he looked Berman and asked his first question. Do you know you have Lee Marvin on your roof. I mean I'm sure he was a nice guy parties. Hi this is Kristen Jennifer win last night we were just talking about. The holidays are over. And we're a little bit but we'll put them but you know you know what I think we can keep the holidays going. How by buying gifts for ourselves? Lincoln Reserve Dot Com and use the code podcast. VIP Get fifteen percent off everything in the store. So it's like vice is still giving US Christmas presents. That's amazing podcast. VIP Vice Reserve Dot Com fifteen percent off everything. What are waiting for well? Let's go. Let's go I'm going. You talk about how things things like the emergence of sound changed. How Hollywood party for one thing? The emergence of sounded. Because you couldn't go out all night and get hammered and wake up after having had a pack and a half of cigarettes with your voice rough and scratchy and feel like you could get away with your scenes for the day in the silent era. You could do that but your voice was more your instrument with talkies so in some ways that settle things some of that probably also has to do with the Industry Street taking off in the media around you and you know in those early days it really was more the wild west and you could fly under the radar bit more. Maybe one of the things that is interesting is the studio system and the thirties and forties fifties had like their own team to handle stars who they knew were likely to fly off the derails at a given moment and so they had relationships with the chief of police and they had relationships with the editors at the newspapers they had relationships with the bars owners bartenders surrounding the studio and they would get calls so that they could sort of swoop in and grab you know Clark Gable from a car wreck before the newsmen got thera before it hit the papers so that idea of having your own celebrity handlers wrangler is an interesting yeah but even in the early days of the talkies. They're still build legendary stories legendary parties. This goes back to like two little the bank hat and those guys. Yeah there's some I mean bankhead in in some ways and cheese a good example of somebody who is kind of famous for being too Lula bankhead. She described herself. I always likes us. Pure is driven slush. Talk about her party's because those were uh-huh yeah you read about these folks and they just seem so giant painted with such thick bright strokes in terms of their personalities in their behavior savior and their reputations but to bankhead who came from an upper crust Alabama family by the way so there is As you pointed out with bogert and her father was the former Moore Speaker of the house. Actually but quote the begins to Lula bankhead is. My father warned me about men and alcohol but he never said anything about women and cocaine probably the best part she ever played was herself sure to Lula. bankhead occasionally received good notices for her stage and screen performances is better fame rested almost entirely on the strength of her offscreen south a hard drinking Lebanese force of nature. It's likely even her peers. Could only they tell you a handful of films that she played but her alcohol and cocaine fueled affairs were legendary. There was the time she threw a dinner party at her estate which was is called windows and passed out facing super bowl before the champagne was even poured or how she bragged of having bedded over five hundred men and women bankhead by the way off and described herself as ambidextrous and then there was the nudist thing. bankhead would often answer the door completely naked. This was before the years in which consumed five packs of cigarettes in two fifths of old Granddad Bourbon Day. She claimed she could drink a bottle in thirty minutes. She took up residence at the hotel. Hotel nicknamed the easy. Lay in Burgess Meredith memoir so far so good. The actor talks about first meeting bankhead. He arrived at a party in her. Sweet tweet only defined bankhead stark naked passing out cocaine and boost guest having finished her hostess duties. She confided that she was dying of quote. The grand desire in subsequently pulled young narrative into her bedroom. Apparently the moaning and groaning were operatic. But just before consummation bankhead pushed him besides saying for God's Sakes don't come inside me. I'm engaged to Jock Whitney. That would be the son of famed businessman. Payne Whitney bankhead would forever maintain and what I do with my bits and pieces is my business and for every fan that I lose stuffy two more. Come along who approve of my lifestyle and indeed bank heads escapades escapades. Were funnier and more risque than any film comedy. She could have hoped to act in a legendary. Such incident occurred the summer of one thousand nine hundred thirty three two years after she returned from a triumphant decade long stretch in the London theater in the mood for an extended party bank had did what any in the know. Actress would have done in those days as she showed up. Resplendent in a heavily beaded gown and diamonds. If the garden of Allah she's spend most of the evening making is at Johnny Weissmuller. The Olympic gold medal swimmer who had just made his Hollywood debut as Tarzan but by five in the morning she had grown tired of simply wondering what lay hidden beneath his loincloth. There are at least two different versions of what happened next next. One is the to Lula having thus far failed in her advances on waste Mueller decided to pull a dams Linda Stress Fling herself into the pool fully closed screaming that she was going to drown around. Someone didn't save her. Someone like perhaps the Olympic swimmer standing nearby. The other version is that she and waste. Mueller drunkenly Dovan together. Whatever the beginning this the story share their most crucial detail? It's ending once in the water to Luna's dress and diamonds found their way to the bottom of the pool and chief found her way into voice. Mueller's arms naked Bacon. He carried her out of the pool. The gathered reveller stared at the spectacle of Tarzan in the naked socialite. Everybody's been dying to see my body to Lula told the remaining parties I now you can. I was GONNA ask originally. Are there any stories that surprised and now I have to ask how many of I mean they all did. They all surprise me. Part of what surprised. Me was the permissiveness. In terms of public outrageousness ourageous nece in misbehaving was just way out of measure with what I had imagined and with what it is now. I mean that these stars would pass out and super bowls and end up naked in pools with this regularity and did they were fine. They had reputations maybe but their careers didn't implode and they weren't torn torn apart in the press for it and they weren't not getting hired back and uninsurable or whatever that's different than it is now but I would imagine in large part that head to have contributed to the founding of the Hollywood coat both on screen and off. I mean onscreen. They were limiting. What could be shown in film but the exploits were certainly the talk of the town? Yeah Yeah I think so and I think that there was a kind of puritanical tightening up of how they wanted people to behave and how they wanted them to be represented in. The code was was enforced to do that. We talked earlier about how the start of talkies meant that. Suddenly you had scripts. You had to have lines that had to be memorized memorized. And well. That's another point to which I didn't bring up is that you did have to do more work in preparation and remember your lines and that also maybe put some limits on the revelry But what other changes happened over the years in terms of how Hollywood was partying. Well I mean I think a big change that happened was people shooting on location much more and the of moving equipment and the desire to go to different locations and film in some ways that started early and chaplain was doing that and people were doing that but for for a lot of the years it seems to me. The first half of the last century so much production was happening in town on studio lots so kept all the actors in town. They lived here. They worked here. And in that way they went out to these places Chasen's and Romanovs encierros and the Polo Lounge and Brown Derby. They were just places were they knew they would be sort of welcomed and protected and also seen and then they would find each other there and so in that way. I think it was a hard charging community that it it may be became less so over time when people could live in different places and when worked for months in New Orleans or in you know Atlanta arm wherever aside from personalities you talked about the places that are now institutions but back then were not you mentioned garden of Allah a famous famous hotel. Yeah and the Beverly Hills Hotel which when it was built was almost a disaster for the owner because nobody was living in Beverly Hills what he did he couldn't get people to come out that far. I I mean one of the things that was interesting for me and moving to Hollywood in writing about these places was looking for ones that were still around and not so many of them are I mean the Beverly Hills Hotel L. is and Musso and frank grill is but there's a lot of other places you know carneval as not cock and bull like different ones and yeah these contributed to partying being in it was an important ingredient in making it all happen. The book does talk about different places sometimes the case of the Brown Derby which had a cocktail the Brown Derby and whether they invented the cocteau himself so it was invented and named after them which is one of my favorite cocktails which is bourbon grapefruit juice and honey syrup or the cock and bull which he's credited with inventing the Moscow mule and had to do with the fact that the owner of the cock and bull was making and distributing his own brand of ginger Beer and he found himself saddled with too many cases of SMIRNOFF and he had a surplus of his own brew that he was hoping wouldn't go bad and so in this sort of desperate Britt did he kind of poured it all together. He decided he often just mix my remaining ginger beer with this vodka and added some lime and served it up and he served served at actually in the copper Mug and one of the actors who hung out. There was a great character actor Roderick Crawford who is through giant man and a big drinker and he apparently was the first customer former to give it a try. He liked it a lot. He said it had a bit of a kick to it. So that's how the Moscow mule was born the drink with the velvet kick before we wrap any other stories stories that you want to share with us. Well I could read a fun. One about Ava Gardner. There's a lot of men who were hard drinking and big screen personalities. In that way but there I also a lot of women who were having their own fun in wild time in Ava Gardner has perhaps my favorite quote in the entire book. A party isn't a party without a drunken bitch lying in a pool of tears which may be configured for your New Year's party probably not a good goal to shoot for now when I think about it though. The story and Ava Gardner all region that we had a wonderful time. That was all she would say. Ava Gardner during Frank Sinatra had met before years ago at Macondo back when she was still married to Mickey Rooney Sinatra had led with soft open something to the effect of wishing he'd gotten to her. First Gardner found him charming. They bumped into each other a few times thins at various nightclubs. There's even been a dinner date once after. She'd left Artie Shaw. They kissed a bit at the end of the evening but Sinatra was still married to Nancy and had kids so she hadn't let it get too far. This time though is different. They were at Daryl's Gerald Xanax. House in Palm Springs for a party. It was fall. Nineteen forty nine Sinatra. As usual was flirting with her crazy she put up with it for a while then reminded him once. He got too pushy that he was still married now. He insisted he and Nancy were finished for good in seeing as he was now available would he be interested in going for a drive. Gardner grabbed a fifth of whatever for the road. While Sinatra quite famously had a predilection for Jack Daniels to garner the tape of booze hardly mattered. It all tasted like hell to her. Anyway so bottling hand. She climbed into Sinatra's Cadillac convertible in the two of them sped off into the desert night. swigging all the way by the time they came to it was stop in the little town of the streets were deserted Sinatra pulled her clothes they kissed and kissed and at some point during their escalating passion Sinatra reached into his glove compartment in pulled out a gun scratch that he pulled out two guns both Smith and Wesson thirty eight naturally. They began to shoot up the street lights hardware store window several rounds that ended up who knows where Sinatra hit the accelerator and they kept on shooting all the way back to the highway. It was a few hours later. When Sinatra Actress Publicist Jack? Keller received a phone call from the police station. They had a story that hasn't yet reached the press. Not just a story about frank. Sinatra's drunken arrest but a story of his drunken arrests while out with famous actress who wasn't his wife in if Keller wanted to keep it under wraps he would need to get to India fast. The police back then were so much more. Amenable Keller immediately called a friend who managed the Hollywood knickerbocker hotel borrowed thirty thousand dollars and took a charter flight out of Burbank. By early morning he paid off anyone. You want who might have been inclined to talk the cops. The hardware store owner some poor drunk schmuck who'd been grazed by one of the bullets Sinatra and Garner were released without further incident Gardner for her part denied. Any of this ever happened. When she returned to the house he was renting in Palm Springs and her older sister Baffi asked how her night with Sinatra had been all she would say was? We had a wonderful time so I guess the bottom line is for our whole show have a great time on New Year's Eve. Just oh get caught. The book is Great. I do recommend it is available on Amazon and elsewhere of all the GIN joints stumbling stumbling through Hollywood history Mark Bailey. Thank you so much for joining us on this special New Year's Eve episode. I'm thank you you know. Thanks fun to tell these stories stories and I think New Year's is a good time to go out and have some fun and let loose a little bit. I recommend it quite like these folks did but you know I hope everybody has a good time. Fine thanks for joining us. Hollywood unscripted is created by Kurt commedia and presented in cooperation operation with the Malibu Film Society. This episode was hosted by Scott to law school. West Bailey producing edited by Jenny. Curtis Sound Engineering Nehring by Michael Kennedy recorded at CO media's Malibu podcast studios the executive producer of Hollywood unscripted is Stuart Halperin. The Hollywood unscripted the theme song is by Celeste. 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Fair City Fire on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

Comedians Interviewing Musicians

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Fair City Fire on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

"Welcome to Comedians interviewing musicians. You're listening to the Audio version. Asia the lives. This is season four episode fifty four recorded on September eleventh. Two Thousand Eighteen live from Austin East siders laboratory Tori with hosts becky Joe Neal and Caudron r music. But first we have a not so secret little club tell you about where you can get access to exclusive exclusive content merch your own spotlight on the show and of course more for as little as one dollar a month. Join our community patrons that make this show so possible. Sign up at C. I.. MVP Dot live at C. I M P dot live. Thank you for supporting live music and remember give the podcast. A five star rating every rating helps these artists get discovered by new fans and now brought to you by music firsthand and their live music booking APP. Here's comedians interviewing musicians happening right now nothing. There's not a huge spill that is going to spill them. So sorry you're waiting on you. My name is Becky Joe Neil this is my co host. Hello Hello Claude. Ramey he's delicious. We have a really awesome show tonight before we get started. I wanted to thank some sponsors awesome insiders first and foremost for having us here tonight. Thank you so much. Give it up to everybody coming out tonight. Drink your CIDER. y'All five one to Tequila nine. Banded whiskey hops ingrain all the GOODEN's sounds new standard manufacturing. We appreciate you greatly as well as our patrons for as little as a dollar a month you can support us a struggling Comedians Q.. Sarah McLaughlin yes. I was about to sing that now. We a will. Sarah Ernie's Yeah Akeem Agean Tonia on your heart by Michelle What site or are you drinking? I'm having the grapefruit the hopped I'm feeling a little. I guess like not so fruity tonight. But you know it's a rare occasion that a hate crime. Just no I hate crime to myself I wanted it to be. Would you like to introduce musical guests. 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The health alliance frosty musicians nations does amazing things for optimizations. Avi In town and today's the day we celebrate all over town. We have a bunch of shows. Thank you so much for joining US spending your holiday with us. That's dope good to be here. I know right shot Tam for being here. We love you appreciate you doing the Lord's work. It's true Do you guys want to introduce yourself. Yes we go right okay. This way do names Joe what's up. Hey Brit Clint. And I'm Brian. And we know some of you longtime fans might have known that sometimes comes in desert sound when Ben's doing whatever bins doing and and he's going to help us before and Brian has come to the show several times and apparently jobs came and saw me at Essar. So shut you guys should come do that to Do you guys have any like music. Firsthand Memories Emory's Weird Shit that has happened when you guys came to see the show. I wouldn't say weird but the Jack Events was Oh yeah it was awesome. That was good. Yeah I was is a really good. Yeah if you have a chance to check out. The Jack van showed the Velveeta Room. It is on our youtube channel. Check that out you Brian any fun music firsthand. It's a tie between all All the memories that I've had pageant answer to all of the Americas and set there. We go we're back. Yeah you tried to sabotage me spilling they tried a science. Yeah I know right before we went live facebook I spilled. I tried to hide a cider in here and it ended terribly. The floor is going to be sticky for ever. I'm sorry Austin insiders but now I've learned my lesson and now we have some cooties. It's GonNa good okay so you guys don't have. Apparently Brian doesn't have any fun. Music first hand memories but you guys have been together since two thousand fourteen gene correct. Yes do you have any favorite shows you've ever played in the past like just in general like any good ones you guys played some really Topaz places antunes. Last summer was awesome. We did the two days out of fair there last summer. That was really fun. That's probably that's probably it for me. I don't know what do you guys think we played in this we played in Albany whatever where it's up in upstate New York. Yeah and we played in an old bank at one point. The green room for the ban was the vault. Yeah and it was super cool got turned into a performing arts center or now that was a fun time shadowed Linda. It's my mom's name that's what all of the world any unconventional venues. You'd WanNa play like that are not a bank. Like would you like reformed Jack in the box speakeasy any fund and dream places to play Jack in the box. I mean that sounds like the coolest speakeasy that austen's ever heard it'd be on like not whatever the anti yelp help is the cool people. Is that a thing. Cool People Yo. Apparently and apparently not. Yeah I made that up. That's going to be a thing exclusive as we were recently at Boston Music Foundation Playing with a selfless lovers but while we were there we saw your guys is record on the wall and you have been been there musician of the men before twenty sixteen right. What was that like? What like what was working with Austin Music Foundation like the best I mean they're they're great for? We found out about them through some some friends and basically they do consulting for musicians around town. We took advantage of their services is and then they asked if we'd be interested in being the artist of the month and it was like whom let me check. That's how they ask it's like do you want even pose so it's like you go outside and Doug's balloons would you like to be the Austin musician them on Chechen. I was hoping it'd be more nefarious. I thought they'd be Super Pacs. One smoke bomb. Yeah well Um said. We couldn't talk about that stuff so I see okay rules. They've had a great amount of great artists. Come through after I feel like after the fact to like recently. There's been some really I mean it's always heard that I bear city fire paved the way it's awesome. Music Foundation was like we should start having an artist of the month clearly. It's true I've always wanted to know this. We were talking Claude. Did some STANDUP facebook. ps You can ask questions online but if you did show up you would have seen Claude decent really funny stand up four and warm the crowd up. He talked about scruff and grinder and tinder. What would your bands tinder profile? Say about you funny story. No when we were on tour I have a girlfriend. WHO's here so don't have tinder but make Mike one for the band? Put our song on there like it was for like motion to maybe an hour. I just accepted everybody and then they just is blocked me the show motion also tender undersized fish on tinder remote your band and not a person so that you match with anyone did anyone swipe war right on your band Yeah a couple. The people sent them like. Hey listen to our album and then the shutdown guerrilla marketing right. There was a great idea. Yeah it was. You see anything explicitly in the tender going to tell you not too much trouble with tinder at the thing. I got kicked off tinder once because because some guy was mad that I didn't it was dumb. Like he reported me for something and then I couldn't get back on tinder. Come to find out. I like Barade- you have to tell me why I didn't do anything. Anybody like okay. Well as soon as you got back on tinder I want you to tell me why you report it to the United hadn't checked it and they were like it was like error to five point gene. Seven Bumblebee when they get a error number. Like you're going to look that up and I looked at it in a log book. It was that serious. I was like keyboard cat food. Yeah I think we're all interested. What exactly was it? No I was report. Someone just reported for inappropriate conduct and I had done nothing. I at least let me go out swinging. I would've would've liked to at least have been reported for legitimate inappropriate conduct like I would have at least no well. I ain't ever gotten in trouble with tenders so scruff on the other hand. Oh ask you guys travel a lot. You have traveled a lot. You tour it's kind of incredible. It's what musicians do you. I don't know where I'm going with on. And what is the grossest. Part about touring with y'all I mean it's got to be the farting right. Smell smell the smell smell. It has we're going to be real about it except for I twelve hours. We're just trying to be real with you. I feel like someone over the buzz. Like someone's been living here for about a week old kick. ooh It all. We got into the cake story. What is the I guess? Maybe this is probably the bad intro for the cake story. Because I don't I don't know if I really want the answer was what's the best on the road concoction. You come up with like ice cream and flaming hot cheetos slurpy. It's gotta be Van Kick Band. Yes I think it was personally this week. It's van cake. Yeah Hey spanky is fresh when you first get at. It sits underneath the seat for like a week. Yeah you don't put it the frigerator birthday when we started tour read around the start few days in her nose. Yeah I brought a birthday cake. That state in the tour the whole time and basically the cake made it from Nashville Tennessee through New York City and through Buffalo through about sixteen. AWW y'all at Y'all eight on it the whole well one man did one every three days to see if it was still a wolf leaves inuit in the woods is under something and you think about it like there had to be that first person who tried to eat cheese. You're you're a pioneer. Yeah it actually actually got a little better in my opinion yeah. There's absolutely no way better. You don't know eight got away moisture. It was no the first people who might got better it did. It's called cheese. He's been American. I have news for you the reintroduction of moisture into your pancakes definitely not natural and it probably had something to do with all of the smells. equals Dan far cake and being attacked. Sorry there's pretty good he's alive still so they're talking about this talking sales. It did make the cake made it to the end one last bite at the end we have a two and a half three weeks in. We're not hearing the story about like how one of his feet fell off six weeks later. Scary cheese diabetes. Like it's real fast. I have no idea how old cake turns into your foot falling off awesome. Sorry Funny Story. I don't know how old cake can all of a sudden become more to get way. I'm I'm just trying to visualize. What kind of cake was it like chocolate cake? What are we talking here? Chocolate with breath with some sort of Vanilla frosting Kate okay now abysmal cake pick well. That's perfectly fine cake. Take a listen. I know she's not supportive of your decisions. I spill things and yell at people about the choices. Would you guys like to play another song so so give it up again for fair city fire to. She got her notion up. Bud Light Become Sydney sin. But see the Um the bathroom say Fred. Fam- see it can out of the big fees Streep Jeep Ram how uh It and kind of see thank you. Thank Dean wasn't good little around. I didn't have to prompt the all of the plot. So whose dog is Hoosier Hosur hoosier. That's my dog. Yeah Super Cute. Yeah mess admit cheering for the dog or for the team. The hoosiers don't get it. I was hoping I was hoping actually. Yeah Sports Sports Ball. I don't even know if that's actually I think I think it's a college husker's okay. We're getting on this whole cake two point. Oh It's GonNa bug out of us like we spent earlier like twenty minutes trying to figure out how many body parts we could name. That are only three letters yet consumed both of US earlier So who's your what. What what what? What member is he in the band like what is he is here like? Pr Does do your merge. He's a mascot reinvest. We have got a podcast called the State Lau podcast and he's been in every. We've just released our fiftieth episode and he's passions chance forty nine pictures we do. We'll each take a picture with whoever's on whoever's there and posted as up on Internet and he's made everyone forty nine of them I think yep some minus one gene. I forget which one he didn't make but I think we were out of town on vacation camping somewhere and he was just crying into his life. Seen like that's you say it loud podcast. You want to talk a little bit about that. Tell the world what that is definitely. It's our way of trying to grow. Grow the Austin Music Scene For sure we talked to other musicians and artists and actually nonprofits. We just had him on. We've had Chris from music firsthand first hand on the show. That guy boss man. Yeah well yeah. We've had him on the show. We basically just talk to people about their experience in the Austin music scene and try to get the word out about different things that we like so any good juicy behind the podcast. Any like crazy shit. That's happened during tapings before or after you'll have to go take a listen. It's true putting that but it's GONNA disappear right next door heads during live feed like blooms eight land podcast looking away. You guys have a cool show coming up tomorrow. We're excited playing at the Grizzly bear after party. That's amazing mazing round of applause for that. Thank you really fun. Are you so excited. What are you like where where is it where can everybody so yeah? Grizzly bears playing on the outdoor stage. And then we're going to be playing at stubbs. We're going to be playing on the indoor stages subs rate after. They're done so their last note. We start so yes yes so if you go to the show you can come in for free if you go to the grizzly bear. Show come in for free if you just want to see our show later on. It's like six bucks not bad on a budget budget sand. Yeah I mean why not you guys are like full being full time musicians right. What would your seven year old self think of? You think you were cool or they think. What did you like randomly change past twenty or something like I was supposed to be a doctor and I don't know seven year old me would just was shy and didn't say much so so he would think you're probably pretty? If you like that. That is up. Step step up. Maybe I mean I think I thought I was going to be on the Green Bay packers and that didn't didn't really pan out so career shift. Whatever laying music Benjamin Benjamin Button Mentally so seven year old me would have been like? That's fiscally irresponsible doctor or something. That doesn't seem he might get support when no genius but now look at you so screw all your seven year old selves. They're all speaking of being seven years old. I guess I'd just like go down the line for this question. What was the first instrument that you learned? Yeah for me. It was was percussion originally. I wanted to lead trumpet. Wanted to be Mariuchi Ban Dan. I'll be honest with you and I was getting braces. And let's play trumpet with braces. So they do something without that you. Don't adversity city breeds innovation. There you go exactly so here we are so something where you smash things things that maybe like flying to hit stuff. I think you'd be good at hitting stuff and here. We Are Trumpet Trumpet. I played the saxophone me to. Yes I mean. That was the standard one. But yeah this sounds smells like a saxophone case over there right with all. The wet would assure remember the oily oily cork on the phone. It takes me back to middle school over the course of emptying this spit valve and everything. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah probably piano for me. Also trumpet braces though. No braces. Obviously no races. I like to say that I wanted to play trumpet so I did think therefore I trump yes. Aw That's pretty good. Did anybody like gets all in band growing up. Oh Yeah I was like. No one voluntarily picks at the saxophone at like twelve and it's like screw the band. I'm going out so taking my act on the road. Just one is strictly at Middle School senior. Like I was done to cool cool school. I think I was just bad at the saxophone. When did you switch to get to the base I like twenty four around there there. You Go career shift in the twenty seven year old. You would be like why the saxophone. Well that's fair. One cool instruments. Another another is this the tiniest stage you ever played or no no no. It's not no I love this tiny state interest rate tiniest stage. Who played was in we were in New York and basically it was this stage but with two thirds of it being a grand piano? Oh yeah yeah so. There's only about that on the outside for the ban and then the drums were even offer the stage they weren't even on the stage like we've been put over here like the ugly. Oh yes yeah. Frequently have to perform surrounded by other people's stuff but south of the Grand Piano was just another act that night you know. I think it's they're all. I liked the idea that there was a grand piano act. That insisted on having it. I'm GonNa go with that literally. Revolve around her. She just Elle sits she is the act. Yeah I like where you said New York. It was a tiny Paul. Yeah so if you guys were for this is not if straight up situation. You guys are in a scary movie who dies. I who who dies. WHO's the comic relief who lives and who dies for doing some dumb shit like challenging? The ghost of the Monster Freidan case by cake Clinton is for challenging. Joe Dies I amount. That's that's just me your life. I'm going to pull out and there's three white dude's over here. Oh now I I. That's the way the movies go go. Yeah ten molly would for reality. I didn't I didn't make the rules out. I would say Brett lives the longest I'll take. He's an innovator. Yeah that's a little pessimistic. He doesn't survive. He just lives the longest. I'm yeah no one wants to be the guy that's like. Oh my God I survived this whole thing and then you look back. If you're like. Oh my God all my friends are dead now. I Steve for the rest of my life. Yeah and I may be haunted by a ghost forever like they can get a sequel in thirty years. All Jamie Lee Curtis does smart coup. Who is the comic relief? I'd say the Wolfman off make think that so Clinton is doing something dumb like eating cake. He's going to get back to the van and like screw the cake. I just want one more. It goes back for the cake. He always goes back for the cake. Do you WANNA do your segment Mr Claude. Sure so I like to do a segment every week called. Claude goes on a tangent. I'm GonNa ask you all some multiple choice questions because that was what I came up with when they told me to do something fund and I like to pick a topic I go on a tangent this week as a little wild. I decided yellow the first band. At least that I've been here for or that I think is just like solidly rock and roll so I started out coming up with rock and Roll Trivia questions. It took a weird turn at some point but bear with me so for the Nineteen Ninety World Cup hosted by England. New Order wrote a song called world in motion which was changed just from the original title. which was what a parade for soccer? B E for England or see La Alao the World Cup Song. I'm logically yeah right all right I think the thing about the devil is he mixes truth with his lies. The answer is actually leaper England because authorities worried that it promoted rape culture. Ah La La La was the twenty fourteen World Cup Song by Shakira. It was literally called. La La La parenthesis Brazil twenty fourteen. So don't try too heart. You know you could still find success ESA my second rock and roll question. Hitler's dog inspired inspired true story. Rock and roll then. Then we'll get there the name the name aim of Hitler's dog inspired the name of what Musical Act. A blondie be white stripes or I see Phil Collins just say I'm going to say what. Say blondie and there would be no that. It's it's probably blondie say blondie it is. Blondie yes incorrect. I don't think I should get a clap for the high on a Web page and I'm going with it My God I just found out Coco. Chanel was a Nazi and it would absolutely murder me of Debby Ryan also a Nazi debby Ryan it is up. That's blonde debt. Harry Harry there. We go see who the fuck debby Ryan I don't have any Ryan is the The Ma are the grandmother in Halloween town. Oh My debby Ryan commands for the main Cromwell Dude in Halloween town. Joanna be friends. Hell Yeah we town. It's about time my third question is not rock and roll related. I'm just some Trivia. I wanted to share but Mickey Rooney made his fortune out of being an entertainer. But what other business venture did he try is is it. A disposable bras be a women's fragrance called taming of the shrew or see hot dogs jobs that are round and flat and served on Hamburger Buns. I'M GONNA say disposable bras. Yeah I'm with you dry support rhythm you you. The answer is all of the above. That man believed in himself conference. Yes yes red apparent. Apparently his pitch coach disposable bras lasted two minutes with fruit of the loom people and they just said like no. We can't here's how to get people to keep buying your product doc. Make them tear. Yeah exactly yeah they just burst into flames like a pad but for your boob. Yes exactly yeah. Third question not related to anything. I I just don't know when I'm going to get to shoehorn. Mickey Rooney Trivia into a conversation. So there you have it ends. Claude goes on a tangent. Oh thank you. Claude applaud game. Show music to play when I see she feels at facebook to forgot. We have a whole bunch of musicians here like play. Yes out by the way facebook. You can ask US questions in the comments. We'll get them on our phone. That's how the Internet works. Sometimes if my Wifi connects let's cricket please share any Mickey Rooney Trivia. Would you guys like to play a couple more songs for us. All right give it up for fair city Iran. All right that's yeah kick it up uh-huh aw happy word. I have to say where all our real time and John the Donovan I haven't Uh uh-huh yeah Music Lovers Walk to You wait lol all right. Let's go to doc the night now so long the this go go dreams Fan Late nine highs for the low we move through the savvy as well as the darkness roles step into the line Live nine ars how this go. Oh the go betweens raise the week. Say Love and music. We're here to stay uh-huh Where the home when since and when I go when Sanzar Ray? They win You Win Dan where the main? Yeah love and music and love music. I used to love love and music. I used to love and music here CIDERS keep it going for city fire. I love the fake out. In the middle of that song take a seat what's the weirdest heckle. y'All ever gotten from an audience member that Oh we you're doing cover in Indianapolis of a song by the zombies called time of the season and nor does Yup. Yeah it's a great song but somebody somebody in very colorful language. Can I say colorful language on this show. Somebody from Balcony said fuck the Beatles. We're like I had to stop and I was like well. Let's talk about this. Fire that confidence like if someone was like you know what Meryl Streep Hack like. Yeah I'm glad you have your opinion. Yeah Good Diane Keaton movie where we're not talking about the Beatles right now. They're great band but we're not talking about that. We're talking about zombies. Yeah Yeah like maybe like lock your shoes map for messing that up is this. Yeah screw. Ah It turned into a pretty funny moment because we definitely made him look stupid which we did that himself later. We're like hang. This is a Beatles Song Balcony. Dude this is designed to come together. That's good I like that. uh-huh speaking of being nice to each other collaborating with musicians is what will you kind of hit on earlier. When you're talking about like your podcast? How important is it to you unlike? What is your favorite part? I guess about the bringing together of musical souls in Austin the work that you do just in general or on the podcast. Why not I mean? The podcast is good. Good draft take. Just there's been a lot of times where musicians we kinda get together and will book shows and you will never play have played a show with that band before kind of show up when you're supposed to be there and you know the ban for maybe two two hours so you said hey what's up and then that's about it. So the the whole idea with Fox was kind of the reason we started. It was just kind of get to know the musicians first and then we come come friends and then whenever we did play that show together it kind of made it. More of a more hyped about it. Both parties both sides. You'll each other with knew it was going to get into so the answer your question. It is important as opposed to go out and support musicians as well. It's true yeah. Brian's that door shows Clint Joe. I knew you kidding. I went to your team but can we have another round of applause for incredible musical guests. And I thank you very much to give a big shoutout to awesome centers for having US soon before we fan comments. 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Bob Lesczcak -172

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Bob Lesczcak -172

"Hi there and welcome to another edition of on mike with jordan rich conversations with creative people and today a look back at one of the most beloved comedies in tv. We're talking about the odd couple. Starring jack klugman and tony randall. Which premiered fifty years ago this year. I'm a huge odd couple fan. So i've invited my good friend. Bob leads jack. The author of the odd couple on stage and screen a history with cast and crew profiles and an episode guide. This is an odd couple fan needs and wants to have little background on bob. He was a longtime on air. Major market oldies radio personality with the radio. Name bob o'brien and he's written several pop culture books about classic. Tv and bob was a frequent guest of mine on wbz late nights with so many around the country. Really enjoying bob's visits with me. He's currently working on a new book about the tv show wings. So whether you're a neat. Nick or slog. You're welcome to enjoy this podcast. As we celebrate fifty years of the tv show. And we'll also talk about the play in the film and much much more so let's enjoy some tv memories. And go on my with bob ledge check. This was quite a labor of love. I wanted to trace the whole story of the odd couple. Not just the tv series so We start actually at Come blow your horn. Which was one of. Neil simon's first plays where felix unger is a character off camera. Today the name felt differently. Yeah u. n. g. a. r. And of course. I want to trace. How odd couple came to be from broadway to the movies finally television and back again many incarnations all the way to the president well people who know the tv show and not so many of us listening recall who played oscar and felix respectively outside of the film and it's interesting mix of actors and even actors. They were considering for the tv show a little ways and talk about who played the roles onstage originally well of course it was walter matthau and art carney. Walter matthau the oscar. Art carney from honeymooners was was the felix and it opened of course nineteen sixty five march. Sixty five at the plymouth theatre new york and Was a wapping success. Actually neil simon got to do the odd couple. When the play was already on broadway There were there were so actually even before he had going back back before he had written one word of the play for broadway. He had been so successful previously with bare from the park. And come blow your horn that he already got the movie rights before even one word was written so it was a sequence of the play which was successful and the movie which was successful and of course the tv series. That says a lot about not only the era about neil simon and his amazing success in power. At that time it was one time I think in sixty seven where he had five successful plays on broadway. That might be a record. I don't think anybody can batch that today not nowadays now but it's interesting The movie is is so indelibly etched in my mind. Because i loved it and and yet it's so different in a lot of ways than the tv show on the tv show itself morphs from season one to season five. Let's examine the tv show because that's really the mainstay of the book Absolutely and and you've got to of america's great actors both comedic actor jack klugman case more serious. How did the casting for that come about. They weren't necessarily the original picks. No there were many different names. Bandied about everybody from dean martin mickey rooney Jack carter allow people auditioned. They kind of knew that. Tony randall is going to be the felix that was pretty much a given But the The oscar role Little doing Tony randall was rallying for mickey rooney mickey rooney kind of had a reputation for being not easy to work with. So i think gary marshall kind of said let's find somebody else so but even tony. Randall was still rallying for him. Wasn't a mickey rooney also considered for all in the family at one point or am i yes. he was. Yeah absolutely for one of the pilots. Which which didn't come to be. That would be an odd archie bunker looking back. But let's talk about klugman because he's got an amazing career before the odd couple in my opinion as a dramatic actor in twilight zones and twelve angry men and women and which means surly must have really enjoyed working with him. He did and in fact i. It's interesting back in one thousand nine hundred fifty five without knowing what was going to happen in the future. Tony randall jack. Klugman were actually on a live. Tv show called appointment with adventure. A half hour One of those anthology shows that were popular in the nineteen fifties and it was a one shot thing fables admit it wasn't very good And you know who knew what would happen. Fifteen years later they become superstars on the house. So how'd jack get the role. And what brought him to the odd couple. Well he had played it on broadway. After walter matthau left klugman took the role had seen him The producers and gary marshall. But we're really considering other people. It was penny marshall. Who kind of said she had worked on a show in nineteen sixty nine with klugman called then came bronson one episode together and she said you know he would be pretty good at that and gary. Marshall was impressed in another show. Watching jack klugman was a. I forget the name of the but it was with ethel merman onstage. Gypsy was that it. Yes yup gary. Marshall had seen jack klugman really close up on stage to burma for a long period of time. And she's yelling and she's actually spitting on him and he said if somebody can maintain a character like that. I want to use him in the future. So so that was part of why he wanted to you. You mentioned penny impressed by the gypsy role. You mentioned penny. Marshall marshall ends up. Being myrna of course is the beloved secretary for oscar madison. Well gary marshall loved using family. Tony marshall his dad. Marjorie marshall was in one of the episodes as a tap dancer. His sister running jalan had some things behind the scenes and also one episode where they all come out into the Odd couple apartment and mahan liver there three brothers and sisters. Oh yeah she'll runny jalan and penny marshall and ronnie is not even credited that show but that that was your sister. He loved using family. Your book which is called the couple on stage and screen has every episode listed and all of the and i want to get into the guest stars in a minute. But i'm i'm still thrilled to have you here to talk a little bit about the origin of the tv series. Let's talk about gary marshall jerry belsen the two leading forces behind them the creative forces and they had great writers but these guys had it. They just had instincts. Didn't they that that worked to get the right. Cast and to start moving in the right direction. Gary marshall had also been writing for the dick van dyke show you wounds for the joey bishop show and he and belsen the first time around nineteen sixty six. They had a sitcom called. Hey landlord which starred will hutchins and sandy baron and michael. Constantine was in it to it only lasted one season. But it kind of show that they they could carry it off. And they teamed up again in nineteen seventy. Didn't get neil simon's blessing to do the odd couple tv series. It took a long time for neil simon to warm up to it but The early episodes actually said neil simon's the odd couple and didn't didn't that really kick-start gary marshall's career though in terms of producer extraordinary and then went on to produce so many other sitcoms. Oh yeah he was. Even though the i'd couple. Tv series was never a whopping success. In the ratings of course it led to happy days and he lobbed using the same people. To like alamo narrow insane people. He was very loyal to people who like. We're looking back at so many years ago and yet it's so fresh and you can see the the episodes currently on various streaming platforms. So it's really fun to go back. In fact in looking through some of the early episodes things change and continuity on television. Today is much more pressure because people have the internet but in those days i mean you had names of ex wives chain you all kinds of things changing including the way. The show was shot. Do you want to explain that in terms audience or not in the first season. This is also to a happy days. It was shot. What's called single camera style without the studio audience so it's actually shot a movie Doesn't have to be shot in sequence and the laugh track later so you don't really know what's funny now for klugman and randall. They were stage performers. They needed the feedback. What they were doing in that first season they weren't sure was funny until they actually got the episode aired and they would hear like the next day And get reviews of the show so they rallied both of them to have a live audience so they could feed off that and that happened. Finally both of the we're going on talk shows late night talk shows urging people to write in to have a live audience. Too for for the couple came back for a second season and they got their wish. And in the second season you can see immediately with the first episode of this season called natural childbirth. Old show just comes for does do any of these programs. The laugh track is so tired on any own. And if you go back to. I guess the i love lucy show there were. There were live audiences. Then weren't there. Yes there were. And that makes us shows from the nineteen fifties would actually shoot the show and then bring an audience and show it to them and record. Okay gotcha now. You said bob that It wasn't successful in the ratings. As other shows at that time were the reason for that. Was what the way they scheduled it or promotion or one. The odd couple was usually on friday nights. Sometimes on thursdays i it was just. It's hard to explain. Why it was not a whopping success but it was an inexpensive show for abc. The stars weren't making a whole lot of money. There was a low production value and that was one of the saving graces. Why it came back year after year. One of the other things is during the summer. When they showed the reruns he had seen the other shows on television would gravitate to the. I'm couple and something they hadn't seen and every summer the ratings would go up and would save the show every year. Technically the odd couple was going to be cancelled. It was on the chopping block and the some ratings would save it so they were living on the edge literally were living on the edge and they would also during the summer wild. Those re ones were were running. They would do the show on stage they would actually do the play on stage just to keep fresh and they would also tour a lot just to keep them interested in the show which is such an old showbiz almost vaudevillian axiom to get out there and work the material well and and make money in the off and make money in the off season There's so much here exactly what we're talking. What five grand an episode. If that in some cases right who who more was making seven and jack was making five thousand was that ever an issue between the stars between the two co stars. the who's making no they. They wanted to work. Jack knew that. Tony was you a little more famous than he was at. That time didn't stay that way but I think they would. They both emerged equally During the show as as the stars and famous starts. I i had the great honor of interviewing tony randall. Back in i would say eighty three or eighty four so it's ten or twelve years after what's remarkable and i remember it it. It's a picture that i have. He's dressed just like he would have been as felix and i asked him the question about. He's always impeccably dressed. And i said mr randall. You look great. You always look so well put together. He said i have to admit. I have a color blindness and because i have color blindness i only wear blazers and grey slacks. I've got thirty blue blazers and forty grace. I thought that was hysterical. But let's talk a little bit about each individual and we all. I should say we all ninety nine percent of the people listening to this bug has no about this. Subject we all know oscars a slob. Felix's the neat nick. But how much in in real life for these actors like their characters in that respect quite a bit. Tony randall Like you said was always impeccably dressed. was festivities. He did love opera although it was admitted that he he did like sports. That's never reflected in the odd couple end. Fear he did. Wow i would have had on a pair of only man but right right and for jack klugman. There was a lot of klugman in his role in fact to make him look sloppy on the show and also from the budget to keep the budget down on the odd couple. He used a lot of his own clothing. That's hysterical was actually his clothing he he loved to gamble. He doesn't as much a gambler as walter matthau but but he was a gambler and he did not eat. Well as as you love cigars in fact that was Initially a very early problem in the get together When they were being Fs quoted by limo. Jack klugman lit up in the limo. Twenty rental hated smoking notoriously and that almost ended before it began. Gary marshall said all right. I wanna keep both view from now on you each get your own level and from then on it was smooth sailing pretty much. There's so much written about their post couple career together and how the friendship evolved and you write a bit about this. Not only did. the friendship evolved. But when jack was sick with throat cancer. Tony did some amazing things. That a little bit about the post issues and then we'll get back to the show itself because it really is a love story in a sense. Oh yeah great bromance. Even more so after the show was cancelled. They both support each other of course during the series but i don't think they were as close as they were afterwards. Yes when jack. Logan got the throat. Cancer tony. Tony was there for him supporting him and wanting him to get back to work and actually there's a a reunion tv special. That was called together again. The odd couple together again and That is addressed in that episode. I think it only ran once ninety. Three yeah i think you're right and it's very touching because it's real i mean you realize he relented and the that klugman fought back and got to do what he did with barely voice is pretty remarkable and they would still work on stage together with microphone with headsets with microphone so they could be heard his voice did get better over time but it was still like a horse. Whisper so the microphones helped and They would actually do the play. The odd couple stage elect place also. Did the sunshine boys together a lot. Right another neil simon classic. No question do wanna talk a little bit about Klugman career because unlike felix felix. Unlike tony who had a couple of series. That didn't pan out. He killed it in. Quincy i mean he was was a star all over again in a dramatic crime. Show for years so He proved a lot of people wrong when he when i guess he did that. And it's interesting because he really didn't want to do the odd couple initially because he had had such a bad experience in nineteen sixty four with a sitcom called harris against the world. A universal show was part of a three show arc on monday nights. Three sitcoms back to back up ninety bristol court It was three people. Three different shows all set in the same apartment complex and it lasted thirteen weeks. He never got fully paid for it and A lot of bitterness with television soap sides doing television specials and episodic tv like then came bronson and the twilight zone. He wasn't all that keen on it. But luckily i. He changed his mind that the couple and writings a quincy baba's chac. Who's mr tv. And mr entertainment. The apartment. The set the changes in the set. Now i thought about this before reading the book and i really it always bug me. That you'd have an wasn't just the odd couple you'd have other shows where all of a sudden one season later. Everything's changed same address. Everything's changed because what they do. They try to match the movie idea for that long hallway in the in the first series of gates that separate the bedrooms. That was the first season the right. They set it up so to look like the movie. They had to change things. When it went to live audience they had to open it up more so everything moved the tire the kitchen was any other side oscars bedroom totally different. The living room was the door. Everything had changed just to accommodate the audience. I love it as a voiceover artist. Myself i am one of those who is in awe of the opening. Vo by william woodson. And it's so great on november. Thirteen th felix. Unger was asked to leave his br. I mean i. I've memorized it when i was a kid. Tell me a little bit more about that. Because it's it's kind of interesting what happened in that case well with the stars of the show were not all that keen on it. It was put there because there were two changes in one thousand nine hundred seventy when the show came when it became a tv series. They wanted to establish just because it was not eighteen. Seventy fifty years ago. This was not a gay couple living together. Right right so Felix's ex wife was no longer named francis. A man's name albert sinatra right so she became gloria that was unique to tv series The reason for the opening that you were just talking about from but wonderful william woodson who is quoted. In my book. it was a wonderful interview that was also to establish. What's going on here. These men had been married and they're only living together because they're alone and the until they were things out and they find their next made or whatever right. That was all about that until season four. That's so interesting because it. It's the exposition that it paints. It tells the story it sets it up and As you point out there were so many different variations on how they met and when they knew each other were they voided friends. There's one episode where they flashback to young oscar. And it's hysterical. I believe that was his son. Who played young adam klugman different episodes. Yeah and again. It didn't matter back then. Nobody cared about continuity. Nobody was on the internet to look. What's going to binge there. There is no binging or were no. Dvd sets you saw once a week. And you forgot you know if they weren't Sticklers on continuity following would have forgotten little things so nowadays that these things really stick out. But it's so funny. I would mimic that announcer. When i was just a kid. You know dry. It will attuned men drive each other crazy. I mean i just love the tone and woodson got a lot of work you say after. He got that because of his he was so thankful for that where he had been shakespearean actor but that really set him up he would actually get people calling him. Say we've been looking for somebody who sounds like that todd couple opening and he said he equalled a world beater it was it was it just opened up his career and he he works from then on. I talked to him maybe a decade ago for the book and he was in his nineties has since passed but he was still sharpest attack and just had amazing stories about it. he actually Got the job while he was in europe and he had to fly back to record it. Just wonderful it's just wonderful. There's so much that this book will will entertain you with and one of the key things beyond the episode guides. Bob of course is the guest star list and it's unbelievably impressive to think back then. From howard cosell of course to famous opera stars to athletes galore playing themselves. Real people talk a little bit about the variety of guests in perhaps why they were able to bring so many people on board to do they wanna do. It is it. Yes but jack and tony had input. They got to sit in in the rioters. They forced their way in. Yes so they also got to select some of the guest stars. of course. Jack klugman gravitated more to the sports figures. Howard cosell deacon jones bubba. Smith rude arledge. Those were the people. He selected tony. Of course more. Artsy people like richard fredricks and marilyn horne martina arroyo in fact that is a funny story about one episode. Where howard cosell is opera san martina. Arroyo no no. He was not an opera fan. It was originally written for. just howard. cosell but tony. Randall kept Chirping that he wanted martina arroyo she was available. He wanted to use her so the writers had to scramble. And make it make sense for the both of them to guest star on the same episode so they created this under the guise of howard cosell loving opera. They brought the two together and it worked couldn't have been easy in the writer's room just wonderful adding just wonderful. They had some regulars. You mentioned al molinaro. who played. murray. The cop i think it was her bagel edelman. Who played him in the film version. If i'm not mistaken yet. But his murray the cop and the whole poker parade and and felix's wife gloria right. She was the play by the same actress. I believe much of the run. What about madison's ex wife. Who was actually jack. Klugman real life. At the time. I believe read summers. Actually they were officially divorced. They separated yet. Brett somers was his wife and there was already some tension. I had interviewed. Joan van ark. The book is there's a an episode with a lot of russia on outward three different perspectives of the the same scene. The same event at it's new year's eve episode early on and tv's run and she admits me that they're they're both in the episode brett jack and she said she could see. There was tension behind the scenes that she wasn't surprised when they did separate because it it was not going. Well well. they're acting then was was was based on reality because they were terrific together even their sons admit that relationship was always fiery. It was always interesting. They love each other and yet they were not go before. I get to one of my favorite memories couple which actually extends over many episodes and get to that in a second. They did that one. Promo might have been season. Two or three that has stuck with me forever. They took a clip from one episode. And i know you know all about this. Where felix talking about the meatloaf or something in his dusting on the table and felix covers up the dish so that oscar can't spray his food with n. Dust or whatever and then of course we all know what happens. Felix oscar sprays the food that has stuck with me for fifty years. Unbelievable it's part of the opening credits in one of the season's two. Oh it is okay. Yes they do show that. Oh my god is much later on. It's part of the data clips. That bit of business was just so beautifully done on timing. Aw these guys just their chemistry. We got so lucky bringing these two guys together absolutely so. Let's talk about something that Is often not the case with sitcoms although it can be sometimes it's overdone and that's the soft and sentimental moments because there are many. I heard you on the wonderful gilbert godfrey. It's podcast recently. And gilbert of all people is talking about all the sentimental moments i'll as sentimental moments and and i would agree with gilbert godfrey. There were many times when that warmth in that love even after crazy episode would come out and i think that's what makes it special for a lot of people at it's more than just the left right. It shows that they weren't mortal enemies and they didn't get along they were totally different people and yet They needed each other and they they didn't there was a a love there. Do you have any examples that you can point to you. Know the series inside out I love the episode called the odd candidate where felix thrusts oscar into running for councilman. And he almost wins and at first Oscar he never gave his approval for this. He's very reluctant but but he gets to like the idea. And at the end. There's a nice moment where he actually thanks felix for for going through all this trouble and You're you're you know they they call each other buddy someplace really shows that there's another one very early in the run called About the bird a parrot that dives and Just that oscar is so concerned about felix being so distraught over his dead bird. Dead parent albert actually puts up fronts up the money for pet cemetery and funeral. Yeah there are many of those little moments. And by the way i should mention. I can't believe. I haven't mentioned yet that as we speak. We're looking at each other. He's in his beautiful Album lined room. Because bob's a music not wearing a shirt that says oscar oscar oscar. Anne ain't sesame street folks were talking about the real thing. I just have a couple more things number. One they've tried a follow up shows with other castes. The new odd couple and so forth. And i'm really clicked or took Took on a heat. And i think the reason really is like you said chemistry. I mean you can't replicate magic in a bottle like the two of them had quite frankly like matthau and lemmon had on screen right. They worked well together to they. Loved working together as did clinton and And and randall When they did the new version eighteen nine thousand nine hundred eighty two of new i'd coupled with the black cast demand. Wilson was actually a very decent oscar. But ron glass would not buy into the felix character. in fact he would ask the writers. Don't make me look stupid. Which is something that randall and klugman totally opposite. They would actually tell the right. It's go ahead make us look like buffoons. It's funny sherman. Hemsley would have been my choice for felix honest to god forbid somebody that type of who was sight but he was busy with another show. He was a little busy moving on up to the waist. The east side or whatever the it's been tried with with the female cast and others but it's still a play that shows up every once in a while and actors do take the roles really interesting to wonder if actors anywhere are thinking about randall and klugman when they take those roles. How can you not what the play is so funny. It really doesn't matter. Onstage playing them now he's still the the word right and bioterrorists. If the actors this chemistry it works even better but just the play itself is so funny when they did the more recent virgin on cbs. with matthew. And thomas lennon again it was the felix character was good. The thomas lennon. I never really bought into matthew perry oscar. I didn't i would have pictured much more of a feeling because on friends. He was such a finicky quirky character. I think he was asked. I think with matthau and klugman. No you could see incense that these were real people in real life. There were a lot like these guys. Although i heard that that matthau was was actually more neat studious than than some suggestive but he would always wipe off a phone before us. Alcohol a phone before us me black. He did like to gamble. A as was the case with both of them. That's true I it's just a remarkable television event To know that fifty years ago we had five seasons of two brilliant actors and then the writers and you interviewed just about everybody involved with the show who you could get i take. Oh yeah over. The the writers of living cast elinor. Donahue who is in seventeen episodes. As upstairs miriam miriam welby. And it's interesting that she got her name. Welby that was that was tony. Randall's input and if you think about it that relates to her. Having been the daughter on father knows best ban on. Abc young was the star of father. Knows best was playing. Marcus welby. there's so many inside baseball things. It names it producers sons. I think that's cool. I think that's lovely. I really even the name. Murray gresh gresh. Slur was the last name of the agent for both tony and abby wrestler in fact abby gresley is the guy who wrote that opening monologue on november thirteenth felix. Unger was asked to remove himself. Oh wow and november thirteenth for those. Who don't know as garry marshall's birthday. Well now it all makes sense. It's like you're better than dan brown with mystery. You're uncoded everything that i always wondered about and i i'm still going going through the book i should tell people. The book is available. Obviously at amazon and anywhere you get good books the odd couple on stage and screen. Bob leads jack is l. e. s. z. Z. a. k. by vowel. You need to buy a vo. But what i will say as unlike a lot of things today. That are kind of sparse. I the detail is amazing. It it it's small print. He really have to pay attention. There's so much my glasses but you have done a great job in a tribute to these to these actors and writers and producers and the concept. What so you're working on the wings book yes actually. It's it's just been submitted to the publisher that was that was a labor of love to And there was a lot of down time with the whole cova thing. I've i've actually had times. You know kind of sitting my came here my man cave and put it all together and in your man cave. I alluded to this. You're surrounded by albums Not photo albums with forty fives on the other side. And tell everybody just briefly about your connection to music and some of the books that you've written in that regard oh okay Some of the other books are called. Who did it. I is three volumes. Set of those. It's about who did famous songs before they were famous. There's usually somebody who who tried it. And maybe sometimes it was the writer Maybe it took like two or three artists to finally song over but It's it's a nice back story on all of that Several other tv books single season. Sitcoms there are three volumes of that about all the sit-coms from nineteen forty eight to two thousand. That only lasted one season. Wow there are many this three books for we have to have you back. Talk about some of that because Television is one of my favorite things. And i would love to pleasure. I am thrilled at. We're able to reconnect on a new platform and have fun and bob. I wish you the very best. You have any web addresses. You'd like to give out before we let you go here. I'm on facebook as bob. O'brien which is my radio name. It's just so much easier than spell all right. Facebook is bubble with and you can also check out at bobble. Brian dot tv. Which is a website which hasn't been updated lately. But i need to jump on all right now you get thousands of hits when people hear this so you'll be able to update bob great to see you continued success. Long live the odd couple. Thank you and happy. Pappy and bursting with love. That was so much fun for me. And i hope you enjoyed it as well. I've got great plans for the upcoming year. With so many guests lined up and some great topics. And i want to thank you for a subscribing downloading rating and reviewing the guest and sharing it with your friends also thanks to dante boa fast which media and ken of chart productions. Hey this is. Jordan has always saying be well so you can do good. We'll talk soon take care.

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Pop-Punk & Pizza #148: Leanor Ortega Till of Five Iron Frenzy

Pop-Punk & Pizza

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Pop-Punk & Pizza #148: Leanor Ortega Till of Five Iron Frenzy

"This episode of pop punk pizza is sponsored by the band weather worn. And they're single. You had me at. Hello which is now available on all streaming platforms. A clip of weather warned song. You had me at hello. You'll hear the song full at the end of this episode killing now. I gotta go on the radio. Then commanded a pop punk pizza shock more. Hey good morning or maybe it's afternoon or evening for you right now regardless of the time. Thank you for choosing to listen to this episode today and if this is your first time listening to pop punk pizza you picked a great one to start with my guest. Today is leonor ortega till. Who is the tenor saxophone. Player of scott punk legends five iron frenzy so we discussed the band's new album until the shakes apart and several other things like raising baby chicks for example. And we talk about our love for the tv show shits creek a little bit. There's a lot of serious topics we touch on. But there's a lot of fun ones as well so let's give it a listen leeann ortega of five iron frenzy. It's great to talk to you. Of course thank you so much for you know for for making time for this today. I one of the people always think of when they think of bands i listen to you or their favorite bands. They think usually think of the lead vocalist of the band. Five iron frenzy case. That would be reese. But i don't think of him. I always think of you so interesting. I do think it probably has something to do with not so many women in a scene back in the day a could be or could just be because i think it has to do with that and maybe just from like i think when i first scotland no more about you as like the first time. You're on mike herrera's podcast and i think that's what i was like. Oh okay so. Like i just kind of attached to you thinking like oh yeah five iron frenzy. Because i didn't really know much about any of the other members. So i think that could have something to do with it too. Yes so each of us in our band to we have different jobs. Basically like things that we take over. And what am i mean. Things is back in. The day was answering band mail. Do you remember back in the day. Did you ever any fan mail to any bands like action snail mail. I i i know. I probably did the green day i know i wrote. I tried to write letters to my favorite actor as a kid which was mickey rooney. I try mace. I tried to write him letters to but they kept getting sent back because it was never the right address so yes i do remember that well. One of my jobs in the band was to answer the po box mail and back then that's before internet. That's ninety five till two thousand three when we broke up the first time and yes so i was a lot of people knew who i was because i started. You know starting answering. Aol to them through the po walks. And then we'd play concerts. I'd always be at the merge table looking for people on getting to know people kind of just basically probably the main extra hurt in the band so interviews are very fun although everybody does different interviews to true. Yeah i was gonna say. 'cause i just saw i can't remember which media outlet. It was but i saw some posted with. I think of as reason. I can't remember who else recent scott. Maybe that's who it was. Yeah maybe it was scott as well but but yeah so there. There's a there's a big band you gotta move them around. Can you imagine it's insane. It's every time. I just think of the all the different means you see on online of like like sky tour tour van like it's like extra extra long. We'll do you know what we used to have. We bought a school bus. Did you really we did. And we bought that primarily when we went on the warped tour because a lot of bands had money or labels back then that had more money and so what they were doing was they had a driver sleep all night. Basically the way the rotation works for work towards you drive all night and then wake up and play a show and we didn't really have that luxury so we thought okay. Who by a school bus and keith was basically at the time that i will do every drive at night but i will sleep all day. I'm not going to go to any shelves so kirk major sacrifice on his part because there were a lot of cool bands playing. But yeah you sleep all night. Wake up in the next city so he was your driver there. When you're on vans warped tour. Yeah and then other times. Other people drove like mica. One time used driving hidden owl while he was driving jesse glass. It was in the windshield. Glass embedded in his arms like it was insane. It was pretty scary. Rate and micheals arms of the birds are hurt balanced. Really lab heard it. It bounced off of the windshield. The middle of the night. It was just like hard is going to do to get a new windshield the country especially for a bus for crying out loud. You know not just a regular car windshield that. Be laying around. This is for a bus for crying out. Loud eight captain's chairs eight bunks and of course roper. Had in his bug. He had a cello that he rarely played but was practicing on. Who had a long board. He had a full sized darth maul. Baskin full-sized fan. Any a baby doll. Ernie dull. the did he ever put that on the on stage. Probably not because it was so so hot. i'm john. I think he coveted. I think it was meaningful him. Maybe it was must have been part of his bedroom at home so he brought it on the road to make him feel more of them. I have to tell you even sadder store. We lived in a band house. Reece's bedroom at home was the hallway next to the laundry room. Man that is that is pretty sad. Who who would want to have the bedroom next to the he must have pulled the pulled. The short straw or something high. Because i had my own bedroom of course so yeah. We'll walk through like a bachelor pad matte yoga door. It's like beauty plants candles so so yeah it was almost like you were raised by boys and your younger years now and i think that they taught me a lot like if it was just any boys it could have been not a fun experience. Because they're such kind interesting fun. Just put it this way. They're not weird around girls so they just felt like my best friend. You know in any other way. Some of them are like moore brothers summer. More like Somewhere like sibling summer. More like best friends like girlfriends. Different like you know how it is with personalities and you know it's it's hard to explain but more than anything. I guess in some weird ways. It's like siblings. Okay that no that makes sense especially since you've been a band for what twenty well not consecutive but in general it's been twenty five some years at this point right. I was eighteen when i joined the band. And i'm forty four now and so like all of our kids in our spouses. Our friends to you very much like an aunt and an uncle tall the kids and you're just a big family and that means that there's fights also means that there's holidays and there's also means that there's you know. Forgive me for this. And i miss you and i love you at right now. I just need space from you and out is so what's something if you don't mind what's one of the. Can you remember one of those fights you had. That was so silly but at the time it was like it wasn't like but saying sure i mean some of the sillier fights for me. I didn't bring up at the time in later. They would come up. I think that i was very insecure about not being a good saxophone player. And so i think in the in the beginning ban- knew i wasn't a good saxophone player but i was fun on stage and i could learn the songs but one of the things we made a mission statement. When we first started as abandon on there was we needed to have musical integrity. So i i don't know if they were nervous or how they went about talking about it but one of the things that came up right away as you know jeff and that was my nickname back. Then jesse girl band is going to pay for you to have some saxophone lessons. I really wasn't offended. Because i know i need it though i really did. But there's gotta be some of those those feelings as far had we say this. You don't have time. not you know. Piss her off or hurt her feelings but this needs to happen and so yes. Sometimes i'd get my feelings hurt when i wouldn't be chosen for a solo or something like this but i had to have humility. I wasn't the best player. And i've got better but i think i'm glad that they were honest with me so so you actually took lessons just for a little while and then i didn't need them because the way we kind of work as dennis would write a lot of the horn parts in hebrew wrote them such that every time he wrote the baby harder and harder but we had a lot of sectionals where was sworn in he. We really worked perfection and he would help me so even though he would write parts the beginning that i was like i can pull it off just being in the band for that while you had to pull off lessons i just needed practice and then once you the show started picking up then you were. You were getting practice every night. And that's one of the most amazing things when you think about the years that we played we toured consecutively all the time. The songs could be so tight and now in the past few years. We've been doing flyouts fun to do but you don't get the songs to the caliber that you did tour. You know what sounds next without even thinking about it so i do miss that ability to really hone in a band. Are you all still in the denver area or are you all spread out all over. The country at this point have of us are in denver. our lead singer reese roper. He's in virginia. That's where his family as a dennis coke he and his wife live in new jersey and he works in new york. So he's over there and then sunny he's from from southern california and he moved to denver forbid when he first joined the band but now he's back in southern california so the five people that live here we can practice and we do and then we try to practice during soundcheck whenever we get together for shows you know. So it's it's hit or miss but it's gonna be interesting when we do to play live again when we get to play this new album until this shakes apart. We haven't played any of those songs. Viant yeah well. Hopefully it doesn't shake shakes together right. It's going to be so exciting. It's going to be so exciting to practice now. It gives us life playing new songs together. Because i'm sure you haven't besides at did the whole recording process. You probably haven't rehearsed them together. I'm guessing right. Yeah and even recorded you. Don't play as a band you go in and you write in the studio a little bit. So yeah they haven't even played as a band. Yeah that's that's going to be wild and it'll be great for the fans to because by that time. Whenever the heck that is they will have listened to the new album. Hopefully a billion times by that point honestly. If i can be honest. This album has had such a fascinating I just a fascinating experienced on everybody because it wanted took the long to put it out and so the anticipation was great. But also i get the by. That people are listening to once. They're listening to enjoy listening to it to be like. Did he really say that. Never listening to it to be. Oh really enjoy this. And i'm getting so much feedback from people that can have said that they were listening to it a lot. So i think you're right. I think that this is one of those albums that has a lot of layers to it and people are just giving it a fun. Listen it's more than that it will. It's i mean to be fair. I feel like it's not a typical five iron frenzy album. It's not just a oh. this is a fun. Listen kind of album like you said. There's many many layers to it going from the lyrics to the actual music itself. I feel like there's so much going on just even from just listening if you just single out even just like the guitar. I feel like there's a lot more guitar work than i've ever heard before Especially with the previous album release seven years ago. There's just even a lot more just going on with a guitar. Let alone ever every other instrument in it has more of a two tone feel i. That's that's my take on two-tone scott feel versus like having that that third wave sound. Yeah i kind of call it like. Yeah the fast punk songs. There's the more mid tempo Grooving that i liked the changes that it has in the styles the only difference i would say from us and to tomo may be again. This comes back to me not being very good. We don't have a lot horns sylla's for a band you know. There's i think in this out there might only be just one trombone. Slide a little bit. Solas we're not not a big solo ban a were more of horrid lions. And i love that. I love big part of just nice. Awesome reminds me a bo town just beautiful. Catchy single bullhorn lines rather than solas. Yeah no that. That's a good point like you said gruban that fits perfectly like everyone's just kinda grooving along together And i feel like that's that's one of the big differences in this record. Is that that influence of of that group. And it's great. I really really enjoy it. So what are some of the things you're hearing specifically from fans about the album from from good bad. Okay like what. What's all of it then. You're hearing well for the most part. People are very excited about how it seems to speak to the times like. There's a weird thing that happens. Sometimes people say these lyrics. Philo was prophetic and i think racist pulse ob lyrics have to do a lot with him. Possibly living in the south possibly what he is experiencing where he lives and where he what he sees. What's on his heart in even through his relationship with gaden and all of that coming together inspires him. And you know it's hard also fill those lyrics to a song sonically you know. There's only so much space in a song. So you know there has to be some giving go some compromise of that but i think he did a good job. Also it's interesting when people say this is one of the things we always hear that makes craziest people say oh. I wish five wasn't political. Like they are now well. The first one of our first album is the old west where it talks about you know actually raping killing steel asks. Oh you look at these. You're saying they're always wasn't aspect like this. They're always were songs that were about About these heavy subjects. But maybe because people are now in their thirties and forties those songs feel differently to them than when they were fourteen. Fifteen sixteen because the songs like sucker punch or flowery saw or some of the funnier songs. You can let kitty doggy. Those were the ones they latched onto his kids. And so maybe they heard those lyrics in songs like anthem or some of the more heavy hitting like new hope but it didn't mean the same as when you're the adult. You're the parent. You're the one voted. You're the one making the choices you. The onus is on us to change not our parents and so we're not the victims of these issues. Such as teens aren't kids are we are the creators of the society. And so i think it's obnoxious when people will say to us. I wish you were just funny again. It's like when. I look at rage against the machine and people like oh man gone political when they when they put out. The new record was that last year or the year before. Yeah it was the same thing. Sorry go ahead. Just here's the only negative thing. I've been hearing. It's it's again worded very strangely. Not for me. it's too negative. And i can't help but think well there's some glitter positive also or funny. But i would say what we're doing now is not so much funny and political. It's more like the style gic and political in the nostalgias. Actually what makes the political Even more balanced. Because you're thinking about this style java you want to experience something that was. It isn't anymore and so some of the songs that are on the new album Like homeless we or like something. I missed this idea. That is like man. Those were the good old days. And now it feels like are like like some of the blinders have appealed away were. They weren't necessarily the good old days. It's just a we didn't think we had to deal with so many issues. That are still here. And i'll say that from my point of view like when obama was president. I had some blinders on. And i thought we were stern trajectory. We're going a certain way. And things were good in the last four years. It's holy crap. I had blinders on. What is the reality of what we're experiencing that may be experiencing but other people are and as a society as the united states i think are blinders are often a lot of ways where it's like. Let's not for any anymore that we can't see now. We we have to be honest about what we see and experience. So yeah it's an interesting season for all of this it really is. it's an. I mentioned that this has been. This album was kind of was written over the last seven years or was this more of like in the last year or two or hey i know the music has been written off and on for the last seven years as far as the lyrics are re shared a lot of with me about a year ago so yes that's probably been for him a couple of years on alert anytime you showed me. They were pretty salt so you must be a couple of years. But i'm not actually sure. Yeah i was gonna say because when when the record came out. And i listened to it all the way through i thought wow. This sounds really current. The topic the topic of the topics in the lyrics. That racist singing about like. Wow you know. But then i thought well it's been seven years since they released their last record and they've apparently been like kind of slowly working on at this whole time so i don't know if he's actually referencing. What's been going on with america. The the last four years or better you know however in however that works in his mind. Yeah i don't really know. But i know a lot of these themes like i was saying. It's been slowly. These things have been as a society coming up and so. I think that it's a good timing for them. Plus at the very end or not even just the very end but the last half a year. He's got to edit them so they get even more and more timely Oh yeah for sure So what was the first song written on this on this album on this new record until this shakes apart that it's hard to explain no because there's so many because so many parts so many revamps imagine you're with a band of people in their files being bounced back and forth. Now you have to pick from certain files and we kind of made a songwriting. Communit- committee of dennis. And scott reese because having eight of us give feedback for dozens of songs was not working. And that's partly what had stalled the processes we each have a visceral filling towards certain songs. There's too many conversations and you put him in a dropbox so you have thirty comments. So there's not one song there can be certain parts. It's really organic and it's really hard to explain. Prey drive anybody. Anybody who's organized it would drive nuts so you kinda primarily give it to three people kind of the job of handwriting. Finally had to do that because it was getting nowhere fast. We've been working on for years. And of course the only time for face-to-face. Bam meetings is in the green room having a couple of drinks before you go on stage. That's not a great time to open up count of worms. And of course nowadays we have spouses back their friends back there. A couple of guys are tattooed. Like you wanna hang out with the amex. Px guys this is not a good time for ban right yeah. Something's going on. I know and i think that was a good choice to make a song writing committee and the three of them could Cassesse but even still we are a democracy in a lotta ways. As far as it goes at anybody's allowed to write songs and different people could start a song and it could be like more heavy metal and could be made more skoll slow tampa be made fast or you know. All of us. Lot of us can contribute lyrics. But they don't get chosen. It's a long organic process. And i'm very honest. When i say it with dr most people nuts. Yeah i i can't easy. It's not straightforward. And sometimes it's definitely not fair. But if i'm very honest it is it sounds to say it's successful but it's what works for us and it's the most respectable thing to do and we have a saying. That is whatever's best for the song. So even if my part i feel that i care about it. Whatever's best for the song is probably what should win right. Yeah you're you. You gotta take yourself you gotta take your personal feelings out of the equation right. That's i feel like that's what it always comes down to. I can't imagine what it's like with people because it's hard enough with like you know a basic three or four piece band and then you double that and it's like whoa and a lot of the guys are banned are very Amazing songwriters and complete other instruments. So not only do. They have ideas for their instrument. We have ideas for other people's instruments but it does work at the end of the day. I guess i will say that. It's it's worked a map to say it's an easy process. But i think it's a worthwhile situation and so that's why you feel even more proud and even almost more like it's a miracle. When an album happens i will be honest with you. It feels like oh my gosh it happens. We did and we got to the same age. You probably slept really well when like the last thing was put together right like that night. When you went to went to bed you probably can with the our work with the song with the lyrics and his no more you can do. I think scott. Kerr was probably crying that highly doing a lot of the editing and he could finally put it to bed and we listening to the mastering and having the conversations. Even in about that when it's finally done it's going no more the end. That is a very good feeling because all of you at this point you all have your own jobs and your other careers. So you're going through. What even you know the the bands that are trying to make a name for themselves right now are going through on doing everything themselves. You know you work eight hours a day and then you gotta work six hours on your music or four hours or whatever it. Is you know staying up late. Didn't you know trying to piece all those different parts together. But i guess what. I was asking if there was a certain song that was written. I kind of laid the foundation. I would say while supplies last. It was the first one we released on scoggins racism and that was a compilation when we released it wasn't one hundred and ten percent does not even one hundred percent because later we recorded some more horns on it and that's what made it on the final album version so wherever god the scoggins racism download or vinyl got a aversion. That doesn't even exist on our our pretty cool that's awesome. Yeah but that version that song. We felt very excited about the lyrics. We felt excited about the recording. We had so much fun. Recording background shouts. A bunch of us. Went to scots and just lay down some background. Vocals shouts so. Yeah that one. I think felt like the first out of the can saw so we sing was the first one we put out there for the kick starter but i feel like while supplies last happy the lyrics they were going to kind of set the tone for the album so that was the was like. Oh my god. This is like one hundred ten year ago and data. Yeah i felt really excited came out and people to hear it even just the title of the song to me. It fits so well with twenty twenty and you know this twenty twenty one that we're going into it's just like man like the just summarizes. Yeah everything's when do we care about supplies and then toilet paper happened. Mike daughter was. Because we gotten bad steph after why start buying roles in her bedroom. You're sure you've got to share. You know oh man the yeah. The crazy part is is for like the worst part was for the people that just needed just like a little bit of toilet paper and not even the people that have like big families are big households like they couldn't even get toilet paper like l. Is that was the like still to this day when i go grocery shopping. I can't well. I was gonna say. I can't find disinfectant wipes. I still have to order those online in order to actually get some in my hands right. That's nuts one of the christmas presents we got from. My daughter was rubbing alcohol because she makes soap. She likes to make soap in one of the ingredients. But you can't find rubbing alcohol so when you get it it's like this is a big deal. Are we gonna wrap rubbing alcohol. A christmas presents rushdie changed right. He's they really have. I'm starting to like those stories of my that. My grandparents would tell me about living during the depression about how certain things were very rare or ferry. More define stories are resurfacing in my brain. And i'm a gardener and i couldn't find seeds. I couldn't find seeds because all of a sudden everybody decided there gardeners do see was really hard. I've i've read recently from a farmer locally here in my area in illinois that this coming season it's going to be hard to to find cespedes once again and i you know and and there they were a vegetable farmer that was talking about this so and they were like well. I'm glad that. I already bought seed you know. Because they grow a ton of ton of vegetables but But yeah i mean if it is that is a good thing though that people kinda got back to growing their own food kind of thing. I hope you're enjoying my conversation. With leonor of five iron frenzy so far our episode today is being sponsored by a really awesome pop punk indie rock band called weather worn out of virginia. They remind me a lot of something. Corporate and jack's mannequin. I think you're absolutely going to love them. If you haven't checked them out are ready. You're going to hear the song you had me at. Hello low in full at the end of this episode the song is available now and all streaming platforms and you can also follow the band on facebook and instagram. At weather worn v. a. and on twitter at weather worn band. now let's get back to leonora ortega till of five iron frenzy. And i'll tell you jacques. We have something new. Come into us in a couple of weeks you wanna hear. I do wanna hear our four baby chicks. What you're ex- we're going to. They're coming so they're probably not even born yet. There's a place that we're gonna go. That's local and they get them so. I a certain day. So the lines will be long. Everybody will be waiting. But we have our kook and we're good to go. We're excited that's awesome. Start something new. I was gonna say. Do you have chickens now. Know this organ delight by parents. Tried a couple times som- when i was growing up as a kid in that my mom would sometimes raise babies until laying age and then she'd give away to farmers but that's just because she was addicted to buying baby checks and she shouldn't do because she's not supposed to have any where she lives. But you can stop it. I was like that's weird habit but anyway we're going to get our chicks so yeah so it'll be like reliving your childhood a little bit there. Gotta be the mommy. This is going to be scary. Well i mean. I've i've heard it's easy but i feel like the people who say that are good at it and so sure. It's easy for me. You know and i mean like make it sound like. It's no big deal. Like oh they pretty much. Just take care of themselves. And that's what everyone says. And i don't i. I was watching this youtube video. My one of the the youtube channels that my son watches this guy. Him and his son are always doing videos together and they've got a they've got chickens in their backyard and there was one video where they were cleaning out the chicken coop right and he was just making it sound so easy like yeah i do this. I don't know maybe three times a year and you know and it just made it. Just the way he showed you know showed how clean out the coupe and just just made it sound so easy they just instead all know nine bracing myself but it will be worth it. I think if anything because you we're doing homeschool this year. I have a fourteen year old and a thirteen year old. And you know this is something we can do as a family something we can learn. That's cool so are you like in the process of learning or relearning the the live the life of a chick or a chicken and how and how they work and like the anatomy and lifted to my thirteen year old. She's like really fascinated. She's learned a lot a lot a lot. I've learned a little bit but also we live in saint town with my sister-in-law brother-in-law chicken so like half a mile down the road. So i have reinforcements and my mob. We have a lot of reinforcements okay. Aggregate wasn't sure if you're like diving into a bunch of trying to because i was curious like when do they start laying eggs. Like how old are they. I can't remember but they call it. Poets i think i think it takes like seven weeks. Okay takes awhile. That does take a while now. I'm gonna be looking up stuff about the chicks. I'm gonna be asking my dad because he had chicks when he was a kid because he grew up on the farm so and his his grandmother was obsessed with chickens. Kinda like you're talking about your mom so yeah it all it all makes sense But i guess it's funny. Maybe we should get back to what we were talking about earlier and We didn't dive into being a woman in a highly vast male dominated scene. I guess what was that like. So wh what is your experience been like. Well i think in some ways it's been inconvenient and that sounds weird but the logistical side is inconvenient. At times to get your own hotel room or i would sometimes share with my cousin mica or to find your own dressing room space. Were to have to change backstage or just as far as logistics go. There is a small amount of inconvenience but from a social point of view. I think it was really fun and really good to be in that scene. Because i think it reminds other girls that it's possible. It's an option. I think for a lot of girls. We don't get into music as much when we're younger because we don't wanna look like idiots and you have to be back when you're playing the drums when you're playing guitar when you're playing something in the the years you know six seven eighth grade for boroughs where we are really practicing relationships. More than anything had to be friends with other girls had to be friends with guys how to be romantic. We're carrying more about relationships than anything. So we're not alone in our room for hours learning how to play an instrument. Something that. I think that may be a reason that a lot of girls don't think themselves i would want to do this Also just the team makes it kinda difficult where you know. They're gonna ask another guy because logistically. It's easy we're all gonna live in the van. Share a hotel room. We're just dudes when you add a woman or girl depending on what age. It's like you'd have to consider that. Pat makes a different dynamic and sometimes may add a different expense or even just relationship weirdness. Would you talk about crashes for crushes on the road that happens. You know there's always that weird guy. The other band of the weird sam guy. I've had weird everything. I can't believe they here. The best is when we had this one us. Sam guy at every time on the tour to to practice to get the the speaker's going he would put on that nickelback saw this is how you remind me you can even be like. Oh gosh this is from me to you. See that's when nickelback was cool and nickelback me. I'm will probably not to you. I never thought it was cool. But like maybe it's just because you know i was. Maybe it's because. I was younger when that song came out. You're probably younger than me. But i am very slowly things where yeah just kinda missing the mark a little bit so the only woman in the band the only time it was really intimidating is it can be intimidated. When you're playing like for instance Against racism there was like thirty six. I think musicians. That i was the only female and i shouldn't feel intimidated but i felt intimidated for two reasons one because i was probably not one of the best. Four clair's was amazing horn players and too. Because i am the was the only female on stage so sometimes it can be a little intimidating but it does provide four When there are other women to our other women around you bond more like. I've made some of the best of friends with other women on tour because they're you know why not. Yeah i mean it makes sense you know especially if there are maybe just a handful events definitely the case right most times it is and it seems like if that maybe there's one other girl and one other band or maybe it's a tour manager right or tekere merge some. We had woman tour manager once and that was really fun to get to know her and have her tour with us. That was really neat. Those boys in line demont. Yeah it's hard to get. It doesn't matter if it's a guy girl hard to get us in line. I mean there's eight of us again. We talk about that. So are so much of my life was dictated about. Are we all going to go to denny's because that is very invasive to any restaurant the you're talking all antar france. Are we all walk into this restaurant. Are we going to walk into that. Gas station are we all going to walk up. There's too many ever like split it up be like half of us are going to go here and the other half are gonna go here honestly one of the things we did to split it up as when we went to europe and we split up one time we went to europe two times in what time we split up and it was released in anti and brad they became team won because i think there are two different eastern european countries and then dennis and keep myself and mica went to paris and london in italy. So yeah we split up and had very different experiences depending on where we went. That's interesting very fun. Very neat yeah. That would be so. I guess there is at least that one time. Well there's time student. But i'm gonna say like that was one that was like different like you guys didn't what where did you you guys did. What my cash. So what's are. What are the things. Now that people in the scene can do to make a better environment for for women or for. I mean any gender i guess but specifically women sense you know coming from your experience like water some things. That still need to improve. I guess i think one thing that hasn't proved has been An open mindedness from the side of women and from the site of men because for instance the past few years colorado has a lot of different local festivals and it is very rare to see a local colorado with a woman in it and by that. I mean not even just lead singers cellist. Drummers guitarist bass players a lot of bands in colorado have women and so i think that it's If anything just making it less of a big deal less of an issue a but also. I think that part of it is just to the arts. As far as being a parent in encouraging our sons and daughters musically talking about music and sharing different kinds of music with boys and girls a young ages and sharing fun videos of kids playing different instruments and also a lot of us. Don't listen to a lot of music with female singers as much as we may listen to songs by male singers In matter everybody's going to like every style to be honest. I tried to play for my daughter. She hates it. If you wanna make her angry put up your. She starts getting really upset. That's funny like it. Just great slaughter Well okay so if you put on then how does she react to. You're singing like if you put on like the fast feeling like they also make fun of it. Because it's have you ever watched it's creek. Oh yes. I just finished the last season in my family. And i hate to admit this i am boyega really guest while i watch my own intervenes. I'll probably watch this koi. It'll be at my room watching. It committed be like oh boy. Rule is watching your trailer. Get your interview listening to your apple. Where are your shirt. don't i sound so good. I don't mean to be this way. But i'm a little obsessed with my own art. I mean i guess it's better to be a little over obsessed than to be bombed and like really hard on yourself It also helps. Because i'm not the main songwriter self. I'm rocking my own album. It's because hey there's other people that wrote this too and so it's not like i'm just rockin the sax parts it's like oh my gosh. There's so much in this song. I like our band. I'm a fan so so like when you know when you finish a new five record like the most recent one you didn't go. Hey could i get a mixed down of just phone and my and my additional vocals. Could i get that to give my own vocals be amazing. This is the fiber now that i have had vocals on so many songs. You might not even know all songs. It's sunny areas. They're just providing texture so like i sing on tyrannicide. I don't know if you can tell that high fighting on. Can you tell him that. There were some that i could tell some. You can tell like like something. I've missed all you can tell but like wildcat. I think i sing on. I sing on. We're gonna a little bit while supplies last entire so it's crazy that there's female vocals all in there but they're mixed with the other background vocals like so so. Yeah i do. I'm going to ask you're right. That's a good idea. i'll ask him. I really think so. I could just kiss while. I listen to it in the car. Do you wear wigs to. I don't have to gorgeous hand of didn't need to either though i hair does it need to chance style. And a half her wardrobe more that wardrobe. Yeah oh man. I would rock it out. I love all that clinton's well let's let's contact Days and it was interesting. Have you watched like the little documentary behind the scenes. I was watching that just like this last week and it was really fascinating. How like all the pieces. That mora war. We're like actual big time fashion. Pc's that were worth a lot of money. And i don't know fashion. So i wouldn't know but i right i mean i. I don't know fashioned worth crap but to find out you know watching behind the scenes that they actually would search for this stuff from real. Fashion designers was really cool. Did not expect the last episode to make me cry like a baby. I didn't cry cry. Which kind of surprised. I didn't But maybe it's just during avengers so it's okay maybe it's just because i feel like it's so hard to take that family seriously just because just because they're you know the humor is just so good and and i think that's that's why i'm like swap out the last episode of lost with shits creek. That would be interesting. Would i in the last episode of loss. That was such a downer. Now see that would make more sense. You know i. I would cry at that for sure. I don't know to to to each their own. There's some things that i cry out. And i'm like why am i crying. You know so. Yeah i'm i'm completely. I'm completely with you on that. So are there any newer sky. Bands that you're into and if there are which ones are the ones that like us support and you're like cheering for we are. The union are very cool interesting band. It's comprised of a lot of people. I've gotten to know through the past few years but there are energetic. They're shows feel like shows from the nineties like everyone's screaming and marching and there's a collective energy and collective exist that i like from songs Yeah i think that that's probably the main one right now. There are million to i. Don't listen to a lot of scott more listened to punk but the other thing. I will say about scott in the past couple years. There were a lot of back in the day sky bands that we're getting back into rotation so we had the opportunity to play again with metal. Scoff elise mustard plug. It sounds lame when you asked me. What new bands do you like. And i sale but will bands but there is something to be said to sing these guys in their late forties fifties still playing with good chops and good energy and so if anything the excitement for me was to get to see some of these dance till i like. It's amazing that these guys are all back at it again. Yeah and of course it was great to see you guys finally get back together to and that's been a while though now and i mean getting getting back to it must have been like. Did you still like think what it's been. Has it been ten years eleven years because nine years when we got something like that when when that you know that i like reunion rumor mill or not rumor mill but I watch yeah so so. Let's go back to win that. I started to like looking now like. Did you think it was going to look like this. I mean i'm so glad it does. I do not know it would be a big part of my life again. you know. Some people think of obama's a hobby. Some people think of it as an expensive hobby. Some people look at it as a kind of like a side hustle plays. You might make some more money. Unfortunately for me i will say this is kind of kind of good. I view it as a lot of identity in some ways. I wish i did because it can become an idol. It really can. It can become an idol. Going to shows getting people caring about you giving you that attention. My husband says i'm a much better wife and much better mother. When i have my energy going out to shows you know you don't get to get down in the dumps. you certainly don't let yourself go. You feel excited energetic. There's something you care about But the balance between identity idle and the place where fits in my life and calling. Those things are very messy and dissect in so many different ways. And i have to be careful to not say you are nothing without this. You have to Fearful about protecting deaths. You have to get fearful about making sure your family allows this in will make space for this in your life net after to make sure your finances allow for this. If it doesn't bring in money in you only ever break in break even or even. Don't make money and lose money. What does it matter what. What are the sacrifices to doing this. And there are extreme sacrifices especially for some of the other guys in our band that have very very demanding careers. There's only so much space in your mind and your heart inner energy. And where do you put your family. Where do you put your band. Where do you put your friendships. And so if these guys weren't my best friends. I don't know if i would have time for so many more best friends you know. And if this wasn't all my travel i wouldn't have time for more travel and if this was my big hobby i wouldn't have time for another big hobby. I think for me. It's it's worth the sacrifice because other people are blessed and other people are ultimately having a better. I would hope dupree having a better wife having a better. Social collective having a better awareness of the plight of some people that are the down and out love it having more optimism and hope for a better society in a better change. If those parts weren't part of the puzzle it would be very hard for me to make the sacrifices to make it happen so the friendships in the message and the medium. The fact with the music is so fricking makes it very easy for me to have this be such a part of my life. You are amore. Arose aren't you. I'm just teasing you. I'm totally teasing you. I had to say that you get it. Yes i totally get it. I mean you nailed. It could have ended up in a motel and she's not going to get right and she thinks a man. Yeah well you are the bomb though and you know it i just. I really fortunate. I chose the right people at the right time they keep choosing me. And that's that's a gift that's given it's it's something you can't take for granted and whether this is our last album with or whether we get to make another one. I really hope that we can continue to be best friends. Might my hope is that we can stay friends stan. each other's lives. The music is awesome but that is secondary to me to our agents But i mean just think about the last two albums just talking about the kickstarter part of the crowd. Part of it. I mean with the two thousand thirteen release. You had already set a record. It was what it was like. Two hundred seven thousand. I think and i can't remember the backers three thousand two thousand backers or something like that remember. His reached our goal in an hour and this time we reached our goal in thirty one minutes watching it. I remember i remember watching both of them actually and was just like blown away but especially blown away by the until the shakes apart campaign. Elaine strange very strange. And then like i say yet again you you broke your goal from last time with the engine of a million plots like you broke that coal because with until the shakes part the most recent record it was two hundred eighty seven thousand around there and like over five thousand backers is just like like i have a bedroom right now. Those t shirts and every day of doing about eighty shirts up back there. So you'll be done by the time you're fifty because there's probably there's just so many that's and that's incredible. So so when's the master class on how to properly do a kickstarter i'd had so many interviews about an awesome like a lot of things in some bad. There's i mean there's probably like the ten things you should do ten things you should learn from us and don't do because we do make mistakes both times but you already learn as you go. Yeah it's it's just did you think with because with this. What's amazing amazing about this. The second kickstarter campaign is that you did it during the pandemic and you see still broke your previous record like knowing going in like how are you feeling about it as was feeling good because it felt like we needed something to look forward to. I needed something to be excited about. And then the first week that it came out i mean. I've gone through a little bit of a depression lately. Because i am an extrovert and i do love people and i do love attention as we've called there and it's hard it's really hard to to not traveled to not see some of your best friends etc etc etc so that week that the album came out of will first of all the kick starter when that happened. You just skip this boost of this is good. This makes me feel good. This makes me feel while this makes me feel part of a collective of something bigger and then when we came out we started getting feedback. That's like the highlights. Since last march i need it. We've needed it. We needed to see things in our feed. That were not so bummed all the time it was nice to see people excited and happy and yeah it's been really cool to people are just sending me like a one liner. They're sending me essays about this album and that is that's new and that's really cool. Yeah this this record is truly unique and as you said when we started many layers to go through and i obviously shows why you're getting paragraphs from from fans instead of just love the record missing. This is what. I think of the music the lyrics and this is what i think of you guys and it's it's interesting cool. It's really humbling. Yeah that's great. I you guys deserve it. You work you work your butts off and that has to be hard to do with everyone living their own lives at this point so it is. It's hard to do. But i think again like i said it's worthwhile. Yeah definitely well leonor. This has been fun. I hope you had fun fun and anything else. I mean before before we we sign off on just thinking everybody. Thank you to everybody who supports us. If you're listening to this you've never heard five hundred. I guess a new album would be a good place to start because sonically lyrically has a lot to offer. And there's probably gonna be something for everybody on there that that saxophone playing. It's the best. It's the best you've ever done so far. Get better technology. Yeah technology pays off all right. Well thank you again and I hope you have a great rest of the day. thank you. it's i'm so grateful to leonor for spending time with us today on the podcast. That was a lot of fun. Thank you so much for being a guest. I hope you had just as much fun is. I did leonora. And i'll be thinking about you and those baby chicks goes well. I expect a full report on that. So five-iron frenzies new album until the shakes apart is available now on all streaming platforms. You can buy physical copies and other merch at five. Iron frenzy dot com. I also failed to mention during our chat that she also has a really cool podcast of her own. It's called to punk to be a hippie and you can check that out where wherever it is that you get podcasts or you can go to our website. Which is the same as the name. I just told you to. Punk to a hippie dot com. She was telling me after we were done recording that she has a new episodes in the works and Coming out soon so if that interests you which you should definitely give it a listen. I think you'd like it Beyond beyond the lookout for those new episodes for for leonora podcast especial. Thanks to mike of earshot media for setting up the interview. Mike you are the man dude. 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Real vs Urban Legend & Dungeness bay Oregon  mystery Ch. 9

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

10:20 min | 4 months ago

Real vs Urban Legend & Dungeness bay Oregon mystery Ch. 9

"Welcome to true mysteries of the pacific northwest stories of strange and unexplained people places and events often lost and obscured in the missile time. I'm your host kit chrome. This podcast was inspired by mike. Who sent me an email. Asking are true mysteries of the pacific northwest. Nothing more than urban legends inspired by a book. I checked out from the rogue valley metaphysical library and trying to answer that question. The book was written by an authority. Who shall remain nameless. The book contains some events that are no more than a figment of someone or an urban legend. Like the dog that ate a tiny cell foam and every time someone called stomach would rain. Some were started by celebrities like mickey rooney claiming that he had influence walt disney to call his cartoon mouse mickey mouse. Then there's urban legend about elvis presley giving a harley davidson motorcycle to actor james dean. Well sorry. none of these happened before. I reveal my favorite urban legends. I need to explain how i separate real and true from something invented by a person with an ulterior motive or an urban legend occasionally. I do find a witness or participant to an event that can't be explained away and are willing to talk about it but that's the exception not the rule. Most people are reluctant. Admit that they saw ghost or heard strange laughter when they were home alone for fear of being ridiculed. When event is brought to my attention or intrigued by a story on the internet my search for sources begins. I'll start with the photograph of a pterodactyl that appeared on the internet that allegedly dates back to the american civil war in eighteen. Sixty four courting to the story behind the mystery. Image giant flying creature was shot down by soldiers around eighteen sixty four. near the city of vicksburg. The story says it's soldier said the creature was like some kind of unknown bird monster in a surprising. Twist of the story. A second photograph appeared on the internet. That showed a similar scene. A pterodactyl surrounded by men in front of a barn. Now the people. I talked to when i contacted. Authorities said several newspapers in virginia said that one photograph in front of the barn was fake. Now if you drop me. A line kit k. chrome g mail dot com. I'll send you a copy of the two photographs. You can decide for yourself in my research. I found that the photograph of the pterodactyl matched one. That was seen by somebody in eugene oregon just a few years ago about twenty eleven as a matter of fact so urban legend pterodactyl shot down by soldiers in the civil war. The people i talked to said archived newspapers from that year indeed showed a tin type photograph or photograph from that era of these soldiers standing on a pterodactyls weighing in beak. Well there you go. You can't beat what was in the newspaper back in eighteen sixty four again if you're interested in seeing these photographs and comparing for yourself and trying to figure out which one was photo shopped. Drop me a line at kitt k. Crumb gmail.com. I'll send you a copy of each of the photograph. One of the civil war soldier standing on the pterodactyl and that photograph of the men in front of the barn holding up a pterodactyl urban legends and true mysteries of the pacific northwest. Were produced here at night. All sound studio. I'm your host kit chrome and now joanna bright and the dungeness a cozy mystery continues and as you remember joanna. Bright got tired of the threatening notes. She bought a gun. She put up alarms around the house and finally hearing noises. She's lay on her bed. Pillows at the foot of the bed. Gun pointed at the door and slowly fell asleep. And that's chapter. Nine picks up. Joanna spiraled out from a deep sleep not awake but not asleep. Felt the gun against your hand. Grasp taking aim at the middle of the door and does again outside. Alex stood in front of his taxi hands on his hips staring at the landing in the apartment door wondering why she hadn't come out not responding to the sound of tires on gravel this early in the morning and bells and whistles went off and he ran up the stairs and knocked wants only to have the doors swing open. It wasn't gonna latched with all the still he could muster. He crossed the floor then laughed at not. Just call it out to her than her. Growl joined a blink to wake the sound. Rusty sproul shook her head. Clear that fog then she heard footfalls on the planks outside. The door and rusty was out the door. She top the side of the bed until he came over. Then she sagged into the bed citing a gun on the middle of the door finger on the trigger. Alex stopped in his tracks. The words get out were written. What looked like blood mahal wall. He shook his head cursed under his breath. That was hit. all it took. Joanna could just make out someone in her apartment. Whispering were there to intruders. She took a deep calming breath and pulled the trigger on a hole in the door. Splintered alex drop to the floor shouting joyanna joining john. Lakes are everything is all right. Put the gun down. He crept to the door on hands niece. And i'm going to open the door. Now when he stood in open the door rusty was growling and baroness teeth blocking us. Way the hell is going on. Are you all right. Your front door was open on someone. Wrote a note on your hall wall by ten or eleven someone down in the apothecary. So loud that it came up through the floorboards honestly. I'm got done with all this stuff. What are you doing here so early. Anyway i was concerned when you didn't respond to this out of my tires on the gravel this early in the morning. I came upstairs. Your door wasn't even latched. Swipe came in not sure what to expect. Get out of here. Let me get dressed. Oh how about fix breakfast perfect. I found something that last chapter that manuscript. I'd like to show you maybe over eggs and hash browns okay. I'll what i can do. Joanna was pleased when she came into the kitchen. Alex not only made breakfast but sub the table place. The manuscript in the middle have seat. Alex said he served up the breakfast putting a plate in front of her. Or did you find the manuscript. Read the last chapter. Give me your impression. An fort into the eggs. Hey where's rusty. Alex lucked out from the manuscript. Google on the landing. Thank you for that. He's been quite a companion through. All this wash she dried. They decided to tackle the apothecary. First then dig into the manuscript around dinnertime. While joanna began cleaning bottles and shelves nurse the door virtually the only source of light. Alex was going around replacing lightbulbs. Hope all these light bulbs aren't more than the old circuits can bear. I'm going to the loft. Watch yourself on those steps. Look pretty rickety. She stopped her cleaning watched. Alex move up the steps and was about to go back to the shelf. She'd been working on when he called down to her. We've got footprints in the dust up here. Have you been up here now. Saving the loft for war for you. Alex step to the edge of the law then turned and leaned on the rail. He was saying something when the rail gave way and he somersaulted backwards over the edge and down the fifteen feet to the plank floor below landing on his back. Joanna random aside but he was unconscious there was no blood which she was afraid to move in and decided to make a run into town in his taxi when she slid behind the wheel. The key was in the ignition but she grabbed the bike that she spotted for the two way and was greeted by a man who identified himself as ham operator that he'd send an ambulance down from lincoln city but it would take a half an hour. She ran back inside the apothecary. Alex was still unconscious. Miss bri a you in there. Yes back here. Alex fell from the lofton ambulance on the way. The mayor across the floor looked over shoulder. By lord what happened. I'm not sure. But i think he was leaning on the rail and couldn't support his wade. The mayor seemed loss for words. Is there anything i can do. I think you should contact the sheriff. Certainly oh wait. i think. He's at the morgan lincoln city. I'll go to the police officer and see if the dispatch can reach him. Joanna watched the mayor leave wondering why it stopped by when she turned back around. Alex opened us is. She placed a hand gently on his chest. You've taken a terrible fall. An ambulance is on the way you should try to move. His lips moved but the words came out in whisper. What she said and lean down close then straightened up looking down at alex who had closed. This is again cell phone. Why would you mention your cell phone. Well unless there's something auditor you want me to see. When the ambulance finally arrived it was followed by the sheriff sprite. Could i have a word. She stood next to the show together. They watched as alex was carried out on a stretcher to the ambulance lamb. How well do you know alex. He spent a good friend. Why alex generous become a person of interest in local homicide. I'd appreciate if you'd come down to the police station. Answer a few questions. Be sure to listen to chapter ten to find out what those questions were and what involvement in how. This isn't it branch on behalf. Joanna thanks for listening.

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A Conversation with Radio Legend Jordan Rich! Part 2

Voices of Hope’s Cardinal Cafe

27:27 min | 2 months ago

A Conversation with Radio Legend Jordan Rich! Part 2

"Welcome back to episode of our conversation with jordan rich. please enjoy. we're talking about jordan's book. My fifth year love affair with radio which you can get anywhere especially on amazon order. It's a great. It's a great read the love the party like why would anybody want to read my life. You talked about. Tom brady writing his by twenty five. I think he's i think he's done a few things since he was twenty five. We read it again. But it's a it's a great read talk a lot about some of the celebrities. You've interviewed ed. Our friend roy asked me to ask jordan. Who was your favorite interview. That's not hard. I've got a few but interestingly enough two of them were nonagenarian. in their ninety one was stanley of marvel. Comics light just adored and he was the most affable wonderful guy. The other one was the amazing. Carl reiner comedy. God and i spent hours on more than one occasion with those guys and really had a great time. I'll take a funny story. I listed about two hundred in the book. There are hundreds more former cousin of my white carson. My late wife. I saw him recently and he said hey. I thought it was really great. One day when you interviewed gucci gucci girl. Charro and i thought. Did i do that and son of a gun i did. I totally forgot. How do you forget something like that. I must've been hung over or something. Did all these people come through boston or did you were you on the road at all. I did a little bit of everything. Greg some would come into the studio. I remember the late. Great comic norm crosby. Would he came in once with a couple of other comedians. Comedians are always up. So they'll come in anytime you know letting clark goes guys arosa most of the stuff. I did a lot of. It was prerecorded. Because i couldn't get at two. Am somebody from civilized coast. But i would do pre records. And i i love producing and production so i do a lot and occasionally i would go one time i went to the kennedy library for sit down with caroline kennedy and there was no other way to do it except to go there. Another time I met one of my all time. Heroes roger moore from 007 land. Yeah that was another. You know certain people you just have to accommodate them which is ply with me so yeah mix it a mix of styles while stanley is gonna make grow very. Since he's a huge marvel fan. I was gonna say roy was more excited about. Ask him about william shatner. Oh i love shatner. And i'll tell you well not a funny story but an interesting story shatner is a machine. He's ninety years old. he's the hardest working manage. show business. never stops. I've interviewed him three times over the years. Once in person and the middle time was well twenty years ago and he probably been on a media blitz where he did fifteen or eighteen or thirty interviews and he's answering the same questions over any was really tired. it was on the phone. I could just tell it just went flat so over the years when i got a chance to meet him talk again. I was just hoping and praying that one of my heroes would come through and he did with flying colors. You know twenty years later in his eighties. A star trek is one of my passions as most people know so. I got to meet an interview. Most all of the original series cast powwow lost all of them and that was that was fun too bad they didn't have cell phones back there for the selfies. You know yeah. Did you have a pina collado with rupert holmes. That's what i wanted to you. Probably the other name. Very funny man and very prolific. He's actually broadly known as a broadway writer. Terrific those kind of people that you don't hear on radio one of my favorites was a guy that i never thought i would sit down with. Because of the crap he took because the music he may. Kenny g you know getting g. r. that's an alto sax or With jazzman and he turned out to be one of the finest guys in a very very self deprecating. And i said don't my said man you must take a lot of grief from people is called beautiful music and all that and he was great. I mean kenny. Rogers i goes on and on. I think it allows. I'm talking to you. Do the listed. The end of your book is just incredible. Dick van dyke. I listed them as characters to i said. You've interviewed freddy kruger. Mr conard moses. One of my favorite mode moseley was was a thrill end the expression the bigger they are the nicely. Our is pretty much true A very few uncomfortable experiences in my entire career but really so many of them attained one. This is interesting. It just dawned on you guys are bringing out all kinds of memory. You ever frank gordon who played the riddler ow on shore. He was a great impressionist to. Y'all yes brilliant impressionist and a this is another example of dwell not prejudging but but having an experience that didn't go well then having a much better one at the north shore music theater which is home to you guys right right back in. This goes back to my days at wr ko in the late. Seventies shows only ten years or so out of batman. He was doing a play or appearing. And i was just a kid. I was twenty one years old. Had a real to reel or small. Cassette-recorder went up there. And i said offers the gorshenin sits an honor to meet you a big fan and all. Tell me about when you did your first impression. And he looked at me and he said i'm an actor. I'm not an impressionist. It was the worst interview ever and that might tell the to flash forward thirty years thirty years four. He was playing a one man. Show george burns okay and he got a great a a lot of applause in accolades for that. Truly before he died and i interviewed him and he was terrific and he didn't have any problem because he was imitating somebody. He really wasn't he was earlier. So it it's interesting how people react and you have to give them some breathing room. I think at some point you might have had a bad. They did the best. Burt lancaster i think of anybody. And kirk douglas enrich little. I used to watch all the time. holiday carson. show yeah kirk. Douglas was was amazing. Yeah he he was. He got a rubber face which is really doing impressions. You know at one more celebrity question. Because i read a to. How old was mickey rooney. When he slid down the banister at the wang center mid seventies or so while show was called sugar babies. Do you remember that yup. Did he make that movie too and he was reprising sugar sugar. Babies was an old like nineteen thirty s or forty. He's an old vaudevillian kind of he. Kind of thing and it was really fun. And you know it was in the show was and miller the great mgm. Dancer and Harry the night court judge who was magician. How harry harry and are so. It was a really fun show. But mickey rooney was above the most insane. Human being i've ever met. I have one more celebrity Celebrity a comment question for you. You've interviewed and i was a huge science fiction buff when i was growing up. I couldn't read enough. Isaac asimov was was my favorite. But one of your interviews was raped bradberry. How old was he when you when you interview was. He was very old in his eighties and not well. I did meet as often school. I escorted him to the auditorium and he was really doing a talk. And of course half. The kids didn't really know or care. But i thought my god. This is the most prolific man on the planet but ray bradbury. I worked with his daughter in setting up the interview and because he was very hard of hearing extremely hard of hearing in all tie this with one more story about a celebrity. He was extremely fearing i said. Well how can i accommodate that. This was a telephone interview she said. Is there any way you could send the questions in advance. This is the only time i've ever done that. And i said of course so. I sent the questions in advance. He was on the phone. He read the question and then he would give the answer. I then subsequently put my questions in afterwards. I did that because of amazing respect for the giant this huge job the other guy Two more quick. Thanks arthur. c. Clarke wrote two thousand one. He was on the island in indonesia somewhere and we got him live on a sunday night and that was a thrill you know this is the guy basically made movies come alive in two thousand one but the other story. I think i read about him. I think is listed as kirk douglas. At one hundred and two years old and he had had a stroke twenty years earlier. Whatever or fifteen years. I got the only radio interview. Because the publicist knew me and thought i would be handling sensitively and so forth will. We had a terrific time. He wrote a book of love poetry. That was his last book. And i did a nature. I take the view and edited so that he was audible and understandable end sent. He sent me personal. Thank you note that. I still have from colonel. John kirk douglas station. How amidst a class act so. Those are some of the favorite moments. It's always good to hear that in nice to hear that the people like like you said the bigger are they're nicer. That truly happens because this day and age. All you hear is like you know this guy did this. And he's a terrible person and don't don't listen to his records anymore. Whatever but it's so nice to hear when people are just generally good people. And but i also think you bring that out in them to just the way you talk and now you made me look like a good guy the i it was. You couldn't find the station. Well i didn't know the back roads. I was a newbie. i. I gave a aaa membership. After that. he doesn't know you know it's true the way you treat someone. Oftentimes is is the way they're gonna treat your back. I'm not going to suggest that this is foolproof. There were times when as nice as i am in his as conscientious of their situation. They still in a bad mood. But that's okay but for the most part people are people are pretty generous sitting in a room with someone who's been in on interview tour on a junket a movie person in there. You're the fifteenth guy. That's gonna sit there for five minutes and get some sound. You have two choices. You can ask the same old question. You can try a different approach. Try different approach. Sometimes sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't we won't talk about your green room eminem's that yours you know brown and grabbed the only two colors otherwise you throw tantrums. So we'll we'll leave that for next time. That's the other side of jordan. So i know you left the nighttime in doing some of your own podcasting. Which you philip people in where they can hear you now. Sure thank you. I've been loving my sort of renaissance because of my experience in radio. Doing the kind of things we've been talking about the podcast world is opened up like a flower and i'm able to dip my toe into a lot of different ponds so With the gentleman. Who's working with you. And i introduced you to dan. Dan tibo and my business partner. Ken We've been going gangbusters with podcast. My own personal is very simply on mike with jordan ridge's available everywhere and i have done pretty much what i did on the air only. It's on my time. And with the people i want to have on so Got about two hundred twenty episodes in that range in. It's just fun as heck to pump amount every week. Yeah and still doing voice work and teaching and occasionally asked to come out and be the ryan seacrest. The cheap end of the ryan seacrest. Never no no no. I met dan at doing your pod. I did one of your first ones i think. Yeah that's where i met. Dan really candy. Was there because. Dan works on candies. And yeah that was put out candy. When you're there right greg snacks. It's payday candy that it's not a payday. I'm not coming. Just a cross between ryan seacrest and checky green will. I thought you were going to say jackie mason. I would just love jackie. May he rest respect. This is the week the jackie pass. It takes schmuck like you to take it up on. I've memorized is entire the world according to jackie mason routine the entire thing. We won't do it tonight but someday that'll be part two of the podcast that you're going to do. Love lines with dana as jackie mason. That would be love letters. But that's okay. I love lines is what people buy when i put the program together for the show was a game. Show love lines. I'm gonna look it up. Chuck woolery yes. It was c- love lines with chuck rule. Thank you for saving me jordan leisure. But you're also doing. Aren't you doing lunch podcasts. Or i don't know what they're called actually anymore. Well facebook live and it's every went every other wednesday for the most part. Dan is the genius by keep touting him because he so sharp any work so hard. Dan is the sort of sidekick and more important than that he produces the whole thing. And i haven't opportu and you guys will definitely be guests in the near future as we wanna have you positioned probably when you're going to do another show. We'll we'll have promoted but it's great because you might get a five hundred people live watching it but then you get thousands in the in the reruns and last week. We had loretta laroche a pistol in so much fun. So it's it's as close to doing a live television shows. You can get without having to you know. Have the cameras in all the nonsense. So it's really fun. It's really great. Yeah they've been great yet. I think loretta dyess Music theater few times. Oh yes she's she's amazing. She was great and We've had others musicians in non and it's it's it's been a kick been really fun. Yeah you're busier than ever. They say retirement is is quite time. I mean all i did was give up the the weekend late night thing that consumed me than i love but as you why not retirement is what you actually get to do when you don't have to go to work for a living you're absolutely right. I said earlier. How curious i am a more curious now than ever about a whole bunch of things because they have a little more little more time and You saw the stack of books that i'm going through and yeah it's just great awesome. Well now that you have all that time and you know you do. Have this theater bug. What is the one role at this point in your life that you would love to do on the boards i. That's that's a great question. I always wanted to play georgia. Am cohen and have to learn how to dance. I know you don't you see you've seen onstage. You don't know. I would also love shot at harold hill because when i was in high school i was in the chorus of them. According to tat barbershop quartet. But i memorized every line of harold hill. Because i think he's one of my favorite characters. I don't know actually One of the things that i can just tell you guys is that starting now. I guess i'm starting to work on it. I'm developing a one man show of sort that'll be based partly on the book and some of my experiences but really about radio working title is radio nights not to be confused with radio days and the goal is to have a show that's multimedia that'll just be me playing different parts of me and people in the bid so that's what i'm working on my audit. Nobody will hire me so why not. Well you got to self produce the cash me. Yeah we did our first Radio show at halloween last year. Since we couldn't perform we built that studio that we got a grant for we did our signal lace and it was fantastic. We're thinking about doing it again. Was honored to be to play the announcer in there and eye. Radio's still magical. I mean what we're doing now. This podcast people are imagining you. Know the the environs in how it looks and all that. Actually i must say greg has got a great backdrop He's got all the shows right. All the post judges from voices. And ed what do you have bowling trophies. What the hell is yeah. Yeah those are all of the programs from every single show. We've ever done all. I just can't see that far. Because of my i say oh there you go all. That's fantastic look at that. That is actually a quilt from every t shirt from every. Show that my friend. Diane early made for me. It's gorgeous. That is terrific guys. That is great. Yeah so we're we're thinking of doing another a halloween radio style. Show again so we'll have to be chatting I would love to do of the world's i love that show. And i think it would be fun. We have the capacity. We have the studio. We've got you know just And we've got time on her hands still because we're not doing a live show yet. We've actually done that together. Greg we did. We did need that was at the little theatre up in the shoba like love letters. Not love line like love letters. Wore the world is one of the best shows to do on stage. Because you're actually reading the real script so you don't have to learn the lines. Yes that's the nice thing about radio places in it and it's great I've done a lot of them over the years it you know what it is. It's it's corny to say this but it's the imagination that is kind of stilted now in a lot of ways because of everything being in your face a somebody went to angels game. They were telling me the other night in anaheim and said it's like being in the middle of a video game you just over sensitize As opposed to going to save. Fenway where you guys have performed many times. That's different experience. I think the beauty of the the sound in the audio. Which is why. I do what i do and you guys doing. This now is the imagination. Yep one of my favorite movies is Woody allen's radio days in my favorite my favorite part at it cracks me up. Every time is when the wife yells at the guy goes. He's a ventriloquist on the radio. How you know. He's not moving his lips favorite. See they love that. Hawk i hear the cannons raw cannons raw. Actually my favorite thing in high school was Robert desert area did a radio show at midnight on w. c. o. z. Ninety four point five. It was the hour of the wolf matinee and he would just do he would create his own own. Sounds his own characters but he would also play old sifi radio shows. It was just incredible. Now robert doesn't areo has his own joe. He's going on to do great things. My dear friend jerry. Goodwin duke madness was also be c. n. and he's a dear friend in he is to create characters bits and talk about that just cain. He's legend john boston. The great norm nathan who was a mentor. They just didn't with his magic. They didn't have to build a set. They didn't have to put on a wig. They just didn't with their voices. So yeah that's that's why we do what we do. You got to interview on my mile time. Heroes garrison keeler grew up listening to Prairie home companion. Our i saw he was in your book too and i actually got to meet him a couple of years ago. He did a One man act that the cabin up in beverly. And i actually got to meet him in just for like a minute and i was just like its garrison keeler. Yeah he was our voice in the midwest. When we were listening to radio we always look forward to his people that would was the powder milk biscuits yes powder milk to get guy war. Robin williams was on his show. But the singers everytime he gets robin williams. Like oh it's going to be comedy and it's robin williams. The thing i'm like okay. Well you're from the mid west. And i think some of our greatest rock on tours johnny carson. Obviously but my favorite person on the planet is gonna be dick cabinet. He's still at this point. Since the renaissance man having interviewed people like groucho. You know it's a dig cabinet. And i had him interviewed him several times. And just a fascinating human being you know. So bright and witty and urbane and goofy. That's why like skew guys in the mid west or goofy. Yes we are. we are very goofy. I can tested at his drove out there and drove back through the midwest. I can tell you a lot of goofy people and if you go to canada your goofey goofy you betcha not as many jokes. I thought we'd have it end with that. One which added joke. I i might have. I can't thank you enough for coming on. It's it's kind of I was intimidated. Interviewing the guys interviewed me for the last ten years in continues to do so. You still gonna give us Airtime on busy on the weekend new england weekend. I'm busy and when we got things coming up making truly appreciate all the time that you give us all the love that you give us some we give it back tenfold for everything you've done for us for the past ten years introducing us to people we never would have met teaching us this medium. How to market ourselves a little bit. Better introducing me to dan. Try has guided us through our little podcast minefield. That we're doing now. Like i said you've been in everybody's homes for the past fifty years but we're so glad you joined our home so we're very happy to have you with us. Which would have made me the greatest cat burglar the history of cry on a kick. Go without saying that. I became my wife's mother's hero because i was friends with jordan ren she was your biggest fan and a close with this. I say to my wife. Roberta i say you know you don't have to worry. I have a lot of rabid fans. But i can still at my age outrun them because most of them are no walker driven and the writers. No actually i love. I love the the seniors They're they're the most loyal audience we wouldn't have any radio audience without. She gets so excited when you fill in for dan rae. She goes jordan's on dan rate. 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Ep 36  Richard Pryor: Dont Miss the Signs of Elder Abuse  With Vivian Lee Thoreen

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Ep 36 Richard Pryor: Dont Miss the Signs of Elder Abuse With Vivian Lee Thoreen

"Welcome to the celebrity estates wills of the rich and famous podcast. In this podcast, we breakdown high profile celebrity estate planning cases for advisors and their clients Mo- celebrity estate catastrophes are based on the same issues that everyday people face just with the volume turned up our goal is to identify and extract the Individual Estate Planning issues that lie at the heart of each story. We then discuss what advisers should expect and how to avoid common pitfalls hosted by Wealth Management Dot, com, senior editor, David. Lennox pullover one, and welcome to the latest episode of Wealth Management, dot com slash estates, wills of the rich and famous. For anyone new to the podcast and each instalment myself in a guest, take on a different celebrity state an attempt to extract some key lessons that planners can apply to their more traditional clients. The idea being that celebrity estate planning stories although often ridiculous in their details generally have their cores, very basic issues that can just as easily apply to non famous or fabulously wealthy clients. We were returning guests this week Vivian. That in his executive partner of Holland Nights Los Angeles Office chairs the firm's national private. Wealth. Services Dispute Resolution team. She's alluded experienced trial attorney whose practice both in Superior Court and the California Courts of appeal focuses on complex trust state conservative chip guardianship matters. She represents individuals, families, charities, and financial institutions in cases including Willett trust disputes contested conservative ships and guardianship breach of fiduciary duty matters eller abuse matters. Miss, the rings experience include some of the most sensitive and high profile cases in her. Including that of Mickey Rooney whose story she shared with us in her previous appearance on the show. Thanks for joining US via. Happy to be here. Thank you very much. So. This week is no celebrity on whose behalf of and has worked Richard Pryor prior was an American stand up comedian actor and writer. He reached abroad audience with his trenchant observations storytelling style and is widely regarded as one of the greatest and most influential standup comedians of all time. He had huge success in basically every medium picking up an emmy and five grammies along the way and he also formed legendary. legendarily Larry's screen partnership with fellow Comedians. Gene Wilder. Prior was also well known for his personal demons largely because he was so fearless in addressing them on stage. He struggled with alcoholism and crack addiction the latter of which was the root cause of an infamous incident when he lit himself on fire in Randolph at City Street. The awesome had seven children with six women across five marriages although five of those marriages were only three women because he married to from twice. And prior sadly passed a heart attack in two, thousand and five. His death caused a bitter feud between his widow Jennifer Lee Pryor. Who remarried twice with whom he had no children just make things even more complicated and some of his aforementioned children from previous relationships. Richard Pryor suffered from multiple sclerosis. When he began to deteriorate back in the nineties as a result, he higher Jennifer who had previously had previously divorced him in Nineteen eighty-two because of his addictions to oversee his caregivers and act as his personal manager. In Two thousand however his son Richard Junior filed for conservative ship of prior the alleged that his father had deteriorated to the point that he can no longer make decisions for himself and then play the Jennifer had limited access to the comedian. Jennifer back the prior had picked her an accountant to make his decisions agents under power of attorney documents and also as co-trustees of Richard Pryor's trust. The pro bridge over over seeing the case ruling Jennifer's favor. In two thousand and one Richard and Jennifer married for the second time and in unusual move, they applied for a confidential marriage certificate, which is not made a matter of public record. So the children's put, it didn't know of the marriage. Then after the marriage. Proud amenities trust naming Jennifer as a primary beneficiary and the person with the right to control all of his intellectual property. Including his name and image rights and all royalties from his comedy albums and performances. When prior passed away in two thousand five, his estate was worth an estimated forty million dollars. After his death prize, this children fired suit against Jennifer? They accused of elder abuse fog forgery and taking advantage of Richard's weekend and mental and physical state. One major point of contention was California statute prohibiting gifts and bequest caregivers. But Jennifer prevailed under exemptions in the law allowing prohibiting allowing gifts if the caregiver was a spouse. So vivienne. Richard. Pryor's is one of those complexly blended families we've addressed on this show and some conflict was luckily evitable regardless of plan. So, at what point of the story did you come into the picture? They said. So I came into the picture after Richard Pryor had passed away. And I represented Elizabeth Prior one of his. Daughters, and we'll call her one of the older kids because for a while there was a division between the older three versus the younger. And she is the child who led the charge against Jennifer and may just A. Litany of claims against her including the ones that you mentioned trying to set aside the gifts. That Richard supposedly left to her under his new estate plan. So. It seems as if this case really hinged on the idea of Jennifer as a caregiver. On is that sort of a common point of conflict in your experience that you see in these sorts of cases? It is common and as you described earlier. Think the fact that just for was both wife number four and number seven for counting the. Literal marriages. on the one hand versus. The children went their. Different mothers on the other hand that really set up a scenario for someone life Jennifer to take advantage of someone like Richard and I wanna be clear from the outset that the. Multi page complaint that we filed on behalf of our client. Elizabeth we never got an opportunity to really litigating and get to the bottom of it so when I refer to What I referred to as. There they weren't actually establish. They weren't findings made by court just the allegations. but. The characterised Odeon issue is. Prevalent in a lot of our cases and really leads to what we now call. Elder Abuse. And that's the concept of. Care Custodian or cheese lame attorney caregiver essentially a caregiver who gets her award to marry her. and it it goes both ways you know we have male kill caregivers who get their charges to marry them and vice versa that's using the Richard Pryor example that was the. Main that was the crux of our argument which is. the. Gift. That Richard May to Jennifer. During his lifetime and through his estate clan that she receive what he died. Because she extracted them. When she was a caregiver those gifts are void the she should be canceled out and she shouldn't get them. And you know when I was reading the complaint that we filed back in two thousand seven. The law was significantly different than it is today. And so had we applied the laws of meeting twenty twenty it would be a very, very different results. Interesting, how change? Then what's the? What's the main difference? So the main difference is back in two thousand seven when we filed this. It's as you described earlier. David so if you're a caregiver. THE LAW said if you're a caregiver presumption that any gifts that you receive or any the question that you obtain in someone's stay clan their presumptively very. Their presumptively invalid because we think based on this role that you played there was some sort of. Untoward behaviour doing school fraud or whatnot. But there was an exception you pointed out as well. But if you are married and you have caregiver or you start out as a caregiver, you get your Ward Mary you then you're good you're golden and there is no exception that applies gene because you are basically the spouse you keep everything. So at the time the mantra that we were using in our prior case was once a caregiver always a caregiver. You cannot take off that hat even if you get some Mary, it just isn't fair because. As a caregiver year in this trusted position of someone who's vulnerable and who's dependent upon you. So one could argue that would be pretty easy to get them to marry you and is the marriage itself insulate the caregiver crowds, any kind of blowback. And that was a lot of time. A marriage completely insulated any gifts to a caregiver. Now. In Twenty Twenty and when I see twenty twenty, I really mean it this year it took oldest time and there was a change in the statue that only became effective at least in California January one, twenty twenty, which took all this time to finally get some sort of. Carve out for caregivers who get their wars to marry them. It's chipping away slowly. Trust in the state attorneys wanted more in the way of. Voiding gifts or determining that there was this presumption of invalidity for caregivers who got their word Samari them. and there is a partial cars out you know the conundrum is that there's a conflict between trusted his state lawyers on the one hand and family. Lawyers. Because it's also very natural and ten of common sense that one spouse would leave the bulk of their state to the other spouse right? So at what point do you decide that that is not appropriate and you better really dig deep. So if we were litigating. Against Jennifer Lea Right now in twenty twenty. then. There's no question at all that all of the gift that she got during the lifetime and on death after marriage would there will be a conclusive you rebuttal presumption. That she obtained those gifts there undue influence or fraud and they'd be void. So huge huge difference. So. Correct me if I'm wrong here and also I'm obviously not all caregivers are elder abuses that needs to be said, but we might as well just get it out there Is. There a proper way? To give a gift, which is a possible in California or proper for it to be done I assume that people. Wanted to forgive to a caregiver is still fairly common even in the absence of undue influence on is, is there a proper way to do that? Absolutely? Yes. There are mechanisms where. You can make such a guest and. You know there are a lot of talk about the boomers are so many boomers right now right the. Caregiver population is going to increase. The need is going to be there and you know I only see the ugly cases but there are many cases where people want to live there long time caregivers gifts. They're grateful. Appreciative all of that stuff and you're right. They're not all undue influencing rogers get their words. Mary them that's really really extreme. and so there are mechanisms under our code I know they're mechanisms under other jurisdictions that permit the. So. Correctly from Oak Weinstein's are California is ahead of the curve for the most part in offering these protections a to the elderly. But if I'm an adviser or an attorney in a state that doesn't have a statue like this, that doesn't have this this presumption protecting an older clients what are some of the signs that I can look for that caregiver is is exerting influence versus just you know doing their regular job. Sure. One would be and there are advisories out there that the advisers are on the verge of or do get terminated. A common bright obvious red flags for elderly folks were being abused is that there is a sudden and abrupt change in longtime advisors professionals. Whom the elder has worked with for many many years, financial advisers, estate planning attorneys, even doctors. Medical professionals and the like because those are the people who are going to have the greatest familiar with the elder and would know that something is amiss. Right. So the easiest thing for an elder abuser whether they're a caregiver not to do is to just Start with a fresh slate and get new advisers who are potentially more loyal to the caregiver or elder abuser. It's such an interesting like an insidious action on the case of the abuser to right because not only is just smart on their part to sort of take away the dissenting trusted voices there's only trusted voice, but also in. So doing if I'm an adviser or attorney who gets fired and I, you bring up an issue of elder abuse it all kind it looks like I have sour grapes and upset because I got fired you know so I would look to say. Well that end in a lot of not a lot in at least the hander fiction. Financial Advisers and bankers. Are Mandatory reporters elder financial abuse. So they have the cover of using their jurisdictions, el-durbi statutes to make a report and you know it doesn't have to be that they know for a fact that is going on but there's something that doesn't look right. But you know indications where we have a caregiver who is really moving in on the elderly person. oftentimes, there are children or neighbors or other family members who Likely exist, but they're not as close to their family members they used to be or they're strange or something there. There's an opening that the caregiver takes advantage of in a family that is very close knit communicative, and there's a lot of love caregiver has much less opportunity to really alienate and isolate take advantage of an elderly person. And that's also I think where advisers can really come in right because. Even. If you know, it's a very loving family and they just physical distance in between the closest relatives the adviser. Zooming the person's coming in a couple of times a year you're seeing the checks you're seeing the receipts in a way that the kids aren't seeing when they call on the phone or come for the holidays. So over visors sort of the first line of Defense here. Absolutely and the advisor like these for example, is going to see that. Oh, well, Gee for the last twenty years, you've wanted to leave your state X Y and Z, and now you're telling you WANNA cut out your family and leave everything to your caregiver i. mean. That's just sounds bizarre in crazy. Especially, if the caregiver is a relatively new presence in the elders life, it's just kind of a commonsense knee jerk reaction. So it just doesn't make sense. You're the elder and you're being what I'll call duped by caregiver who's really manipulating and taking advantage of vulnerability that held her house. And that is what happened to Richard Pryor as you describe he at the height of his career and he was just the big on campus but in his later life after he was diagnosed with ms by the late nineties, I mean he was wheelchair bound he could talk he had trouble swallowing he couldn't even sign his name he was dependent for everything, and so that is really something. that. We allege Jennifer completely took advantage of. And then you've got the kids who are. Kind of competing for their father's attention you know they have different mothers. There are different places in their lives and careers and I would say that. Swimming the allegations are true. Jennifer was quite strategic and pitting one kid against the other or one against the other. And just also. Really, capitalizing on Richard Pryor's fear that many elderly people have which was. I don't want to be in a nursing home. and. So what do you tell a person that you have total control over? Your kids are plotting against you. They want to put you in a nursing home. So? I mean his situation his. Deterioration really created the perfect storm for this kind of set of just really tragic. Interesting. Because again, we have the same sort of insidious similar sort of insidious thing with with getting with long-term advisers is that if the caregiver in and they or any other beers comes in late in life and Mary's you know the person, the the elder. Then now, the stepparent of a lot of these kids and Step Mom or dad versus step kid is like the oldest story in will contests right so it covers so much being like well, you just hate me because they're my Stepdad you know you're upset because you're not me my kid or something like that. It's just like it makes it look like a much more mundane issue than maybe it is. True True especially these days where you have stay plan. Where the stepparents, as surviving spouse gets the benefit of the income or whatever acids during that step turns lifetime and whatever's leftover on the parent's death goes to the children but you've gotTa stepparent younger the children from the former marriage. So there's almost no chance that the kids from the primary inherent that really sets up a terrific tension. Is Interesting obviously using the term elder abuse here in elder care on the elder is really it's a kind of a sliding scale nowadays in both directions on people are living longer but also in instances of dementia are increasing and things like that. So I think it's important to point out that you know when we think of an older people think seventy, five, eighty years old Richard Pryor for when this started happening wasn't even sixty yet right i. mean he had an. Ms Dog notion and he becomes what have been firm but he wasn't you know by technical age wise. Necessarily what you would look and be like this is an elder. Right I. I do not remember how old he was at the time but more to your point. Yes. Elder statutes are broad in California. It's anyone sixty five or older, and who lives in the state, but it's really anyone who's eighteen or older. So if you between eighteen sixty five, you're considered dependent adults because he and there are specific definitions. Associated with that. But if you're over the age of eighteen and you have trouble living by yourself on a day-to-day basis and you've got to really rely on help bridge, probably would easily have fallen under that statute as well. So and their other jurisdictions that have really broad quote el-durbi statue towards the eighteenth. Some states have anyone over the age of sixty. which is really young. So it just kind of runs the gamut, but I would say generally speaking if you're an adult. And you have physical mental. Or other limitations that prevent you from living as an independent person there is likely a statute or provision under elder abuse statute that you would fall under. This I point out for you know advisors and other professionals to keep an eye on just because you may not be looking for the sort of abuse in a client who was in his early fifties or mid fifties even though it's entirely possible that they could be starting to suffer from from some of these I guess infirmities that that would you know make them open to this sort of thing so it's one of those. You know it seems like semantics almost, but it's important to look past the semantics here. Right exactly. One of the points in this case was that an issue of attempted to conservative came up you might just given our audience a quick overview of what a conservative does and what role can play in this whole dance. Sure there are two types of conservators and in other jurisdictions are called Guardian but it's the same thing. There's a conservator of the person, the conservator of the estate. The. Of the person assists. An adult with. Day to day decisions. Make sure. They're GONNA eat Where are they going to live? They're going to brush their hair, comb their ticket groceries and make sure to start day to day living is appropriate. A. conservator the estate is someone who takes care of all of the financial aspects of a an adult existence paying bills. including. Extends to participating litigation also estate planning and the like. And it's not uncommon for an adult to have just one. Of the other, you could have conservative person you can have conservatory of these states where you can have both. You can also have different people each of those roles working together or you can just have one person filling both roles. Time. I'm just like to as I do with all of my guests kind of put you on the spot here at the end but this is obviously a very complex issue. But if there's just like one piece of information, advice that you think that our audience advisors out there need to keep in mind when it comes to issues of caregivers and potential elder abuse, you know what would that be? Oh. I think it would be the same message as the one you and I bet when we're talking about Mickey. Rooney which is to Keep in touch with your family members or keep in touch with your clients. And really maintain. An open line of Communication. because it's really much more challenging for a caregiver or user to common take advantage of your loved one if there is a really solid family unit. and the other advice I would give is. Earlier rather than later I, know we all think we're GONNA deal to tomorrow are GonNa live forever or some derision of that. But it's better to. Quilt Catcher Fares and order get your state planning documents in order while you. Have your all of your cog nation while you have. Just the ability to weigh the pros and cons and the consequences of the decisions you're GonNa make versus when you are much more vulnerable. And, I would consider talking to your. About including language that would protect you. As someone WHO's preparing your estate plan? to protect you. From. Attack from caregivers or elder of users such that they could undo whatever documenter having prepared now. It really is amazing. Some thirty five odd episodes into this show. This actually publishes. In talking about all manner of topics, all all across the state planning. The communication is the single through line through everything or it's just everyone. More more often than not when I asked that question at the end people say the will say it's communication because it really is true that you know it's so much easier to solve a problem before it starts than it is after it becomes a problem and and communication really is the way to that happen. I totally agree in the cases that I get and I only get them when they're in be ugly or about to become ugly face. Someone is a strange someone cut someone else off at some point in time there was some sort of breakdown. Families that are close knit or have this line of Communication. I don't meet those families. My colleagues are doing the estate planning or administration they get to interact with all of those intact families. I only meet the dysfunctional ones and the running theme in my matters is that there is some break down there at some point. All the time we have. Thank of Vivien Leigh, three him for being just a fantastic guest once again. Thank you very much, David my pleasure. and. Up For all listeners, I'll you or I guess you'll hear me on the next episode of celebrity estates. Thank you for listening to the celebrity estates, wills of the rich and famous podcast. Click the subscribe button below to become notified when new episodes become available. 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