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Ep. 849 Were Warning Signs Missed?

The Dan Bongino Show

59:18 min | 3 years ago

Ep. 849 Were Warning Signs Missed?

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show. That's not immune to the facts with your host. Dan Bongino, bucket jeeter show. Sorry, folks. Well, producer Joe how are you today? Man. I'm doing pretty good at traffic. Here was created that Baltimore region. So. You know, I I put out my Email for the audience because I love your feedback. And I got a really great one this morning. I missed this article. What did I tell you a couple of weeks ago job that after the midterms, regardless of what happens is going to be a cabinet shakeup like there is after every mid term for every presidential administration in modern American history. What did I say Joe the headlines? It's all breaking down the alleys. Are the Redcoats are coming the red. Goes I told you this was going to happen. Orson wells war of the worlds, everybody get. Oversaw even Sol's of set about it. Folks. I told you at somehow I missed this headline, and I wanna thank you know, who you are the listener who emailed me right before I got on the show this way. So Trump asked for Jeff Sessions resignation. And I listen, I'm just telling you because it's funny because I'm Pat yourself on the back. I told you I even use the word they're going to say, it's chaos. You'll stay even everybody. Does it every president? Here's a headline New Yorker by Eric lack LA H. Trump fires Jeff Sessions and throws his administration back at the. Thank you to the listener there. I'll give you a little shout. I won't use you. Was it? Matt, matt. I told you I said I told you that was going to happen. Of course, the chaos line. So thank you for the heads up in that hay stack show today yesterday. I told you I was going to dig into Arizona. I also want to talk about Whitaker because I missed something yesterday heads up by another listener before we get to that today show brought to you by our buddies at my patriot supply, folks, you insure everything in your life. That matters think about it, your health your teeth, your car people have eye glass insurance. How can you not have food insurance? It's crazy. I'm I mean, I'm not trying to sulk you. But it's true. I I guess in my prior line of work doing what I did. I was always concerned about backup plans, you really really should have food insurance, especially if you have you have kids out there, can you imagine an emergency not having food. Forget it. How long has that food in your food closet? I can't call it a pantry you're gonna last Renna season changes. Probably not good markets. Swing weather disasters weekly events that are news headlines, and political unrest and fall out will increase, you know, he's. You know, he's seen these antiga scotch made to be dramatic. 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I wanted to cover Florida yesterday in Arizona separately. And the reason I'm covering these again, this is a national show. These are issues. What's going on in Florida and Arizona that are not localized? They may seem it. But they're not the what's happening. There are issues that are resonating nationally. Now, what went on in Arizona? I'm gonna break down into some very simple points. And I have a really terrific article in the show notes up at Bongino dot com. If you subscribe to my Email us, their Email, you these articles to you by John Gabriel, who's really funny on Twitter at ricochet, and it points to five reasons that curse than cinema won the race. The democrat over Martha mcsally a traditionally, very red state in Arizona. I'm going to add a few more for some of the reading research and from some of the stuff, I'm getting from conservatives friends of mine on the ground. I'm what I'm gonna do is. I'm gonna take these takeaways to and tell the tell you why you need to worry about this nationally because what happened in Arizona is worrisome. Mm to people in other states as well. Number one. Ladies and gentlemen candidates. Still matter I am not piling on Martha mcsally I lost races. Okay. I mean, I'm in no position to be criticizing people. She won her or congressional race before lost the Senate race it both time it's been in a sliver. But I'm just telling you what I'm getting from people on the ground and one of the things you'll read in this Ricky shape peas is one of the criticisms of Mick Sally's race, Martha mcsally the Republican in Arizona and why she may have lost the race. Is she played the prevent defense, which was a great analogy. Gabriel us. She played not to lose. I'm not just hearing this from the article, by the way, I wouldn't bring it up. If that was the case I'm hearing this from a lot of people that she she did not play to win. She was not aggressive in our campaigning. Apparently, the retail politicking she was out retail politics by cinema who was out there shaking hands. I mean, I I'm disturbed by this folks. I can't understand how in Montana Montana. Jon tester, the democrat in a blood red state beat Rosendahl and some of the emails I got off track here. I just want to just say, what's because this is again, this is applying nationally candidates matter. One of the things people said to me about Rosendahl is oh he seemed wooden and he didn't seem. He seemed like a carpetbagger from out of state. He came off that way, folks, gosh, this is not a reason to vote for the democrat. I don't get this. We're looking at the destruction of our country by awful democrat policies, and we're seriously talking about this kind of stuff. Oh, he lived at us state. You're going to destroy your state. I'm sorry. But this is I don't understand what's going on. I've had like bite the bullet and vote for a number of crap candidates. Good people, but terrible candidates people who I disagree with frankly, my own congressman and my district on a number of issues because I understand the value of having a Republican majority not that they're going to solve all your problems. But Democrats are most assuredly the cause of them. How in Arizona despite lackluster, retail politicking by MC Sally, some Republicans crossed over and voted for a woman who's on the record saying how much she can't stand. Our Zona in Kirsten cinema is bizarre. I don't get it. What's the complaint? She didn't knock on your door. I don't get it. But on the on the what we can learn from this side it Joe candidates still matter. Yeah, I said this in my race where I knocked on seven thousand doors myself, and we almost pulled off an upset you have to show up. And this is the criticism of Mick Sally that she ran to prevent defense. She played to not lose. She didn't play to win. That's not good, folks. Number two. Apparently, they overdid it on the negative ads. Folks. Listen to me, if there are political consultants out there or if you're a candidate looking to run for office. I am begging you I did not run a negative campaign ad in my race. Again. We almost wanted a D plus six district. Hi, heavily democratic district where the candidates who ran before. And after me lost by double digits. We did not run a negative ad at all. I don't care. What consultants are telling you, ladies and gentlemen, negative ads. Do not work when they are the bedrock of your campaign. They just don't people get tired of them. I ran I I've seen it these consultants. I don't know what their obsession with negative ads is but apparently in the Zona race. There was a deluge of negative Kirsten cinema ads. I don't people just don't like negative advertising. You have to offset it with a sense of optimism saying the other person sucks is not a message. I'm sorry. It's just not. And it makes me think of the the Allen west race down here against Patrick Murphy and congressional district team. Right live now where Patrick Murphy the democrat in a huge upset while ended up winning by one point over Allen west and one of the things people talked about after the race was the relentless negative advertising against Patrick Murphy who had had some kind of arrests in his youth. Folks, they tried that against Beto in Texas who had been arrested in a very suspicious incident involving car and leaving the scene. Listen, folks, that's all bad stuff. But Joe would you agree to people are just very forgiving, and they just don't want to hear endlessly about what happened to a candidate. When they were eighteen years old. I listened to tear. I'm not telling you saw fair game. I'm just saying pit people. Just don't care. Joe you and I been scrapped and stuff happening. People are very forgiving in the United States. They don't wanna hear six hundred. Ads about how Murphy was involved in this. What I don't know. What it was? It w I don't remember, exactly. But there was endless and in a Betto stuff about people. Just don't care the you know that negative ads against cinema. Alright. Great. I know she under. She was in a pink Tutu saying, it was okay to fight with the Taliban, or whatever I get it. Let it speak for itself. After a while you have to define yourself. I'm saying this again, not because I want to talk about our Zona ruin national audience because number one candidates matter. Takeaway number one everywhere we have twenty twenty coming up stop playing not to lose. It's not playing to just for the manage all the Republican. We're going to be the managed decline. We gotta keep government spending the way it is. You know, we don't want to cut programs God forbid played a win play to win. Like, you're have some frequent cojones that seems delayed. A win seems to be a big mindset with Republicans playing. You know what? I mean. It's ran over. Oh, we can't run against ObamaCare people like it people like it because they don't know what it is it sucks. It's a disaster. Play to win have some cojones, man. Go down swinging on principles that matter to you, the Democrats do it all the time. Stop playing not to lose social security. We can cut it. There's no money. How about explain to people? How you're fifty five and older. You're okay. But fifty five and young we're going to have to fix it. Or your grandparents are going to be out in the street. How about explaining the economics of it? How about playing the win for once government spending? We're going bankrupt. It's out of contriving to the debt ceiling. I want to get to that. Yesterday. Interest rates are going to go up. You're gonna pay fifteen percent on a mortgage if we don't fix this. Explain it have some guts. My gosh. Again, second negative Ed a right enough already. What are you stand for? I hated that my campaign. I didn't run one of them not one and think so I didn't remember one. Now, I find I ask people go to YouTube and find a negative ad. I ran against it's not dare everything was my, you know, my blow taxes how we were going to figure this out the Maryland economy. I just wasn't interested in in the sky SOX. It's folks, I don't care what the consultants tell you. It is a loser strategy. Number three with the mic Sally race. And again, this kind of they're not they're not mutually exclusive of each other. This more goes into line with number one. She played not to lose. She was just too chummy with the McCain God rest, the man soul. I don't like speaking of dead, but she was too chummy with the McCain faction. People want people who are going to fight for Republican principles. And it's clear again. I'm not talking you'll dead. I'm just telling you what happened McCain was not a conservative anymore. He sunk the ObamaCare reforms and the ObamaCare repeal. We had issues with them on immigration. He was just not a conservative anymore. According to John Gabriel's article. She was just too chummy with McCain. Maybe you folks on the ground have a better reader that again, this one I this one I have not independently confirmed do my sources on the ground this one I'm reading from the article. So I'm gonna leave that where it is. Forth. The left is figuring it out in red states. Folks. There are dangerous signs everywhere. How the hell did Beto finished within two point six points of Ted Cruz and Texas how Ted Cruz one by sixteen points in the last election? The governor won by almost twenty Greg Abbott. Doug Ducey the governor of Arizona routed his opponent. Meaning people split ticket voted they had to if the Republican at the top of the ballot running for governor wins by twenty and the Senate candidate Republican loses or Ted Cruz case only wins by two point six, ladies and gentlemen, a lot of Republicans voted for the Republican governor and the democrat Senator. That's just simple math. Why? Because the left is figuring it out, folks. They are figuring out how to organize in red states, and it is big big trouble. And they're doing it two ways. This is not in the piece. This is me kind of improving on separate stuff. I'm hearing on the ground from activists. There are two things they're using they are using education issues. The stick the camel's nose. Under- the tent and red states, we've seen it in Oklahoma. We've seen it narrows ONA going to see it. More in Texas. They are using teachers pay to organize people because swing Republicans moderate Republicans independents at almost every democrat will they everybody loves teachers, and you should do not take I'm not knocking teachers my life was changed by good teachers. I'm simply saying that because you support good. Teachers does not make you a democrat. But the Democrats don't see it the same way. Joe stopped me from not making sense good in deep red states. They are organizing voters to come out. And they are painting. The Republican party is the enemies of education, and they are using teacher pay is the issue. You saw it in Oklahoma, whatever's big rallies for increase teacher pay increase, and what are they doing? They're bringing out democrat voters. But most importantly, they're demonizing Republican like you guys. Hey, teachers, you don't want teachers to make money S. We're all for school choice in. We just want. Good teachers to be paid good money and bad teachers to be fired your full of crap Democrats. Well, not all Democrats. But liberals what every teacher to be paid like Warren Buffett despite their ability to teach your kids or not that's not fair and folks and Joe by the way, that's not fair to good teach you hell, no. Where else does that work? Ladies and gentlemen, my show, and this Rena is content. Production space is a strict meritocracy hence my apology yesterday Monday for Friday show. This is for you. You don't like it you tune out. And you know, what the show goes bankrupt and two story. I love that. I love that. I got to produce. I loved it when I don't produce. You Email me about it? And I loved it. I have to come back to you and say, hey, my bad, folks. I don't feel bad for it for avenue apologize. I didn't I your. It's your show the show is free to what why I don't understand why teachers are exempt from that. I'm not knocking you. I'd love you guys. And ladies, I'm not kidding. You changed? My life. Literally changed my life. Miss kill feather, God, rest or soul. Miss your Tino. Change my life. We grew up poor. We went to a Catholic school at took us on a near charity case of time sister, Jane. Just friend that her and Facebook from Saint Pancras, I didn't even know what she was still alive. Thank you. Sincerely. But I say to the teachers just like I say to people counting on social security who are fifty five and younger the rules of basic math, eventually take over state budgets cannot afford to pay every single person two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year regardless of skill. It just doesn't make sense granted those hyperbolic numbers. I'm just giving up just trying to it is exaggeration for then I probably shouldn't do that. But they're using the teachers pay issue to paint Republicans as the enemy of education and get moderate Republicans to swing to the democrat side. Now, that's how the organizing number two. Folks. The apps are big trouble. The Democrats are figuring out how to use these apps out there to one organiz money and organize people and the Republicans are falling behind again. Joe of you heard of vote with me. No, you should I hadn't either before about two weeks ago. And I've been meaning to talk about it. But we've been sidelined by the relentless news cycle vote. With me Joe is an app targeted towards Democrats that when they downloaded it allows you to it allows the app to access your contacts allows the vote to apps access your contacts and determined people in your contact list and your phone book who voted how they can't say how they're we have a secret ballot. But how they're registered, and if they voted in the last few elections who'd. Yeah, allows you to send text to them to remind them no vote. It's a big deal. This vote with me app is attributed it. A lot of their success in some of these swing a district is being attributed to the use of technology this app and other Republicans. We better get on the ball you understand how this works. It. Accesses your contact sends him attacks vote. Yeah. Wow. If finds out what their party affiliation is. This is a big deal. Abi FDA is Joe Biden would say it's not illegal. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm not impugning the integrity of entrepreneurs who figure out how to people I'm a capitalist even in politics. But I say to the to the Republicans here you better get on the ball. We can't screw around is slick dead. I'll tell you it is big time. And we're falling behind. We can't afford this again at twenty twenty so. The number the number one. Takeaway, good candidates matter mic. Sally played not to lose number two negative. Relentless negative ads. Are a loser. How many times are we going to try this number three getting too chummy with the moderates and a red state like Arizona turns off the conservative base. Number four. The left is organizing. They're using teachers issues, which are not democrat issues. Republicans want teachers paid well to as long as you're good. They're using teachers issues and technology to organize even in red states. They just they they just flipped the Senate seat in Arizona. Number five is again, kind of related to the other ones. But it's a good piece worth reading that Kirsten cinema retail that folks she retailed it. She retail politics. It matters cinemas out there on video trashing, Arizona. It's the meth lab a democracy. They're crazy like Lindsay Lohan, she's she just one meaning Republicans voted for, you know, why the same reason Democrats voted for me district six I hate to keep bringing this up. But I'm just telling you because we actually experienced it. Folks when cinemas shows up everybody has an back of their head this idea about it. She's got the two two on. She says it's okay to fight for the talent. I would never in a million years vote for Kirsten's cinema. No matter what. But I'm telling you from experience when you show up like she did she retailed it. I'm telling you as a cautionary tale, and you shake someone's hand, they are very hard to dislike I used the knock on what they call four by four democrat doors, four by fours. Meaning Democrats who voted in the last four primaries and generals hard core. Democrats in my congressional race in Maryland. Because I read a study once I think it was a Penn State. Forgive me. I could be wrong, but I'm very. I'm an analytical guy when I decided to run for congress for the second time. I wanted it done scientifically using using studies research, and I wanted to do it the right way. I read a study that when you knock on people's doors, and you meet them face the face. They're not more likely to vote for you. But. They're less likely to vote against you. What does that mean may sound confusing? It means when you not gonna four by four democrat door. You have a good conversation with them. They're not gonna vote for you as a Republican. But they darn well may bypass you Jerez and not vote for the democrat either. Especially if the Democrats on impressive. Now, it's clear that we're some crossovers in this race. So cinema must have done a good job of not only getting Republicans not to vote against her. But Republicans to vote for despite trashing the state. Folks, we gotta show up the retail politics matter these there is no time to sit down which gas. We're still talking about twenty eighteen hot wash stuff, but twenty twenty started. There's no breaks. There's no time off. Retail politics matters. Folks, Texas should scare the living daylights out of everyone. If we lose Texas it is over over. We will be a minority party forever. Okay. Something else that happened on the very suspicious side narrowness, by the way, because I'm not suggesting to you that all of this resolves cinema was so wonderful. She was not I she was an issue. Then Benner comments on Zona are were atrocious. But she managed to retail it out. She had a little help. Joe? I have an article from the Washington free beacon up at the show notes today and other things for you to pay attention to you because we've got more elections coming up when it comes to suspicious electoral activity. Joe they opened up quote emergency voting centers in Arizona. Now. The Arizona law says that the early voting is to stop the Friday before election day election days on Tuesday, the Friday before wrap it up wrap it up that's the law. Well, the tallest and county mayor who had endorsed the cinema. Excuse me, Tulsa county Tulleson may or something county asked for some Maricopa County in democrat areas. Emergency voting centres which were opened Saturday and Monday. Now state law says that those emergency the early voting supposed to wrap up on Friday, Joe is Saturday after Friday take a minute to thing is it after our before when you do your Monday Sunday Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, remember that saw oh who said that the ever. After after all, you gotta do is. Remember the song? I just thank you. My awful that tune back in the as the worst song ever. I don't even remember saying that we'll get we'll get emails but Saturday's after Friday now, they said it was an emergency. But what's convenient is these emergency voting? Centres air quotes emergency Joe on Saturday and Monday after Friday against state law. We're open in democrat areas. Well, now look at the map in the piece. It's clear as day. The deepest blue parts of Arizona in the cities and around them is where they opened up these emergency voting centres again, I'm getting tired of this stuff. But this is the kind of stuff Republicans Republican elected officials have to be on top. If you wanna make access to the ballot and issue to emergency voting centres. Find Joe open them up everywhere it in a Republican areas to why are you opening up emergency voting said what's the emergency winning an election? Right. The emergency. We need to get out more votes. As Ben emailed me yesterday. What am I regularly emails? They had a funny line. He said, so let me get this straight Republicans get devote up to an including election day and Democrats get the vote until the democrat wins. That's a great plan. That's a great race. Democrat is democrat voting over yet. Hoax. Seriously, is it Deb's? But we still voted that. I miss up that democrat voting goes on to win exactly twenty twenty. I mean, this is outrageous. Emergency voting set is fine. Open them up everywhere. We have to be prepared for this before twenty twenty affect me Maricopa County because if we lose Arizona, just like, I just said, Texas, folks, it's over forget it it's over there is no electoral map without Arizona in Texas. You lose. Yes. We would big time, and it would be really really bad. Man. So there's my zone story. That's I'm sticking to it college. I give you the analysis, and I hope we we take some takeaways from that for twenty twenty. All right. Today's show. Also brought to you by the best looking suits out there for you will not find a better suit out. They ever see me. Lookin crisp on a TV. Indochino is North America's leading made to measure a menswear company. I love Indochino. They wanna look slick is the place to go. They make suits and shirts theory exact measurements for an unparalleled fit and comfort. They have a huge variety of fabrics colors and patterns that make Indochino stylish makes every guy look better. It feel more confident come on. 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A Fox News show. Trump skips visit to American cemetery that that the FOX story. The FOX story tells it straight the left-wing media story is that Trump is some kind of like ignorance is who doesn't want to go to events, especially with a Volve celebrating our troops. That's ridiculous and just frankly stupid erroneous is right Vince, again, dropping the aronie is bomb on them. I obviously in my prior line of work did this as a secret service agent. Now, I was the motorcade advance agent in Paris France for George W Bush during a trip here. I am intimately familiar with working with the French secret services and police officers on how it works. I spent almost two weeks of my life there. The cemetery is fifty five miles at a Paris, ladies and gentlemen, when the distance is that far in a foreign country. Typically what we do is. We do. What's called the lift a left me? I'm not disclosing any classified information. This is pretty common sense stuff. You can read any newspaper report of a presidential itinerary. We will take the president typically from a hotel to an l z a landing zone. We will then have the mex- Marine One bird sitting there waiting president will board the Hilo. We'll go to another l z with OB a separate set of cars, and they'll take him to the event. Now, why would we do that? Now, it's if you're in the media, you would know this because they'll pretend they know it because they think they know everything they try to do economics, healthcare and security, even though they can't even do journalism. We do it for a couple reasons. Number one time. I just doesn't make sense to spend almost two hours in a car. If you can spend fifteen minutes in a Hilo, right? But Secondly, folks, we do it to not snarl up traffic in major American cities and cities overseas. Now, Joe, I'm not a trick question. I'm going to ask you just a simple question. If you're the president of the United States and your goal is to get reelected at all times. It's not a trick. Why would you? Do not wanna snarl up traffic, everywhere you go. I'd say probably because when that happens people get pissed off. Yes, I love this guy. Yes. That was not a trick question now because it pisses people off. Yeah. It's not just the logistics, folks. I did this. Yes, he coulda drove possibly you. Don't do it for security reasons. Number one requires a tremendous amount of assets. And number two. It just pisses people off they hated I'll never forget a motorcade. I did in Pennsylvania where I said. I said Obama or Bush gosh, I can't even remember I'm sorry. But they were running. Oh, it was definitely Bush. He was running about twenty minutes late. So what happens when you're twenty minutes late and was a twenty two. It was the longest motorcade. I ever did. It was twenty two miles. We really really really wanted to do the lift. But for some logistics reasons we had to do the motorcade it was a long long motorcade. Right. We had a snarl up traffic for twenty minutes. Remember you have to close traffic down about about. Maybe ten minutes before the president leaves? You. Don't just close traffic is he gets on the highway. You've got a block off the ramps. Can you imagine doing that for fifty five miles in France? The answer is no you can't ladies and gentlemen. Every one of those entrance ramps has to be covered. Do you have any idea? How many French police officers and security services, John, Dr may whoever may be you have any idea how many assets. It would have taken to motorcade the president there. Now. I didn't even I'm sorry. I missed this. Why didn't they lift them? I didn't even tell you that they didn't lift them on the Hilo because the weather was awful. And it was dangerous. It happens all the time. But ladies and gentlemen, it was in tirelessly impractical from a security perspective and from snarling up all of France's perspective to motorcade, President Trump fifty five miles cut the crap with the fake news. It wasn't President Trump. He doesn't respect that should. But you're just making it up. I did this don't tell me. What happens? I'll give you one more quick story, the Pennsylvania that was the Pennsylvania thing what was the story in the newspaper the next day because of Bush was twenty minutes late. We had a close down the highway ten minutes before his expected departure. He didn't leave till twenty minutes later. We had to Pennsylvania highways shut down for almost forty five minutes. Joe the next day in the paper. They were fuming. Yeah. Fuming that is not the. All of a politician trying to get votes. Let me upset everybody in a swing state like Pennsylvania. Not good. You don't want to do it overseas. Either. This is a fake news story to bottom line the Hilo couldn't lift him because the bad weather. The motorcade was impractical from an asset perspective, security wise, and from a political perspective. You don't shut down the whole country. And I don't mean political in snarky way in a practical way. You're there in a foreign country as a guest, even though you're the president, you don't snarl up the whole country. Then you may oh here. He'll comeback. Well, other foreign leaders. Did it, ladies and gentlemen? They don't do it. Like the secret service. I'm not crapping on them. They're great people. They're patriots. A lot of these security services. Do a great job for their foreign leaders. They're not the US secret service. We don't mess around. We take unusual amounts of assets to do our thing because we don't take chances. There's a big big difference between our footprint and Hungary's prime minister. I'm sorry. I'm not knocking them. I'm just telling you I've been there. I've done these international events where all these countries come in. They don't do it. Like, we do it. This is fake news. One quick note on this. When I was in Afghanistan with President Obama. We were supposed to do a lift we were supposed to do a lift to the embassy in Kabul from Bogra. It's a it's a lift it's about a fifteen minute flight. There was a sand storm we had to cancel, ladies and gentlemen, was a big deal. The embassy was excited really excited. We had the whole event was planned. Matter of fact, it screwed up things so bad we had to cancel the lift altogether that the secret service agent who was doing the advance at the embassy had to tell everyone. I'm sorry. He's not coming. They were devastated. I'm sure the people who who were there. Remember it at the time Email me if you were there we had a cancel what was the problem? Joe? All the secret service personnel and staff had a fly back onto support plane, which is the backup air force. One is always to always to of everything to limos to air force one's always they had a fly back on the support plane. Well, what's the problem? How is the secret service agent in Afghanistan getting back? He was coming back on the Hilo that never went to caboodle because we had to cancel. So we were like, oh, how are we going to get? We can't leave him Afghanistan. So we had to have him driven back and he was like twenty minutes late. And it was a big problem because we had a light up the runway in Afghanistan. I'm Bob Graham after Air Force One took off they took off in the dark. And and the support plane was sitting there which looks like Air Force One on a fully lit up runway that it only lit up for the for the taxi off and everybody was like guys you need to get the hell outta here. Because these these terrorists in the mountains a launch IDF indirect fire mortars, and they'll take out your plane if you keep sitting here. So I'm sitting there on the tarmac like brother where the hell are you? He's like we're almost there where you don't have to worry about speeding tickets. They have. We're almost there. I don't even remember how he got. Oh, I think he may have come back on a on a C one thirty. I'm not even sure to be honest with if it was. But either way it took a long time. He finally pulled up. However, he got there. He pulled up in a Jeep. And he was telling me the like, bro, save it. Just get on the plane. I don't care. We'll talk on the plane. We jumped up they I tell the pilot just go jet at right? We were added. Aired. I was like they God. Bottom line. This stuff happens in the secret service, the real world, and these these. Do you want to say, it's so bad? These dip. Rhymes with hits in the media who don't know even basic stuff about security. Oh, Trump Trump crap all over the troops who you don't know squat. Shut your pie hole. It's not like a bunch eighty s I don't know how newsrooms actually I do I actually do Commodore. And like, I could probably comment on it. It's not commenting on stuff. You don't know. Nothing about you have zero expertise in this at all. That's not what happened they cancelled the lift because it was dangerous and the story stop making stuff up you'd dopes. Remember, I've never forget that guy gets off gets out of the Jeep. Hey, man, you'll ever guess what happened? Don't care get on the support played. It's time to get out of dodge. I tell the pile up on the plane catch up on a plate. We only have nine hours. So we're good. I remember telling chest got it, brother. Let's just get had a year. There was the loudest. I mean, I'm telling you bad because that runway was lit for a while they worried about borders, Dan, do just was like 'cause you don't have to worry about like the FAA stuff or even buckling into your seat. None of that stuff. Would you are there for is? What is that guy gun to Joe my head was in the back of that chair? Like this like. Look like that gravity ride with your cheeks and stuff and your paint against the wall. He got that thing. I've never seen her felt that anything like it. And I called my wife, and I was like, oh, we made it. I was the only trip. I was really worried like something bad was going to happen to him. Wow. Yeah. Crazy gods? Yes. All right. I got a lot more to get to all right to finally today's show brought to you by buddies brickhouse nutrition. They make the finest nutrition supplements on the market. Hey, no joke. I met an old friend at the gym yesterday. I I know from cherish essays neighboring. But have not kidding, folks. He comes up to be at a gym. He knows who he is. He listened to the show. He goes mad. That foundation stuff is the real deal. I said brother, I told you foundation these single best nutrition supplement product I have ever taken. 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Little Joe, but he's not little anymore. I call him little jokes when I met him. He was a string bean he ain't little anymore that could call them big. Joe now reminds me, and my brother who was a string bean for a while to till he started lifting. He's now Big Joe foundation is no joke. I would not mention Joe, son. Otherwise, we don't I don't I'm serious. It's that good go. Check it out brickhouse nutrition dot com slash Dan. Pick up a bottle of foundation today semi you're semi your Email reviews. It's that good. I know you'll love it. Okay. On the Whittaker's story. I got an Email from a guy with some experience in the space. Emails me a lot nice guy. Read most of my emails, and he brought finished reporting. It's Dan how did you forget on Whitaker story yesterday, the canary trap with the senators I'll explain and it's a good point. I should have kind of brought it. I'm not going to do the whole thing over yesterday. But the Democrats attacks on Whitaker. The acting attorney general who Trump is appointed to replace sessions are for a reason. Folks, the left doesn't do anything by accident. Everything they do has a purpose. The left is attacking the acting attorney general right now Whittaker because there's a theory out then I want to be clear, it's a theory. Donna conspiracy theory. It's a theory backed up by some evidence. But I want to put it out there for you to entertain there's a theory out there that conservative treehouse guys. But that's interesting that Whitaker who was Jeff Sessions chief-of-staff while he was at the DOJ may have been the one leaving an investigative bread trail behind on a massive leak operation in the United States government that the department of Justice is closing in on shutting down, and he pointed to three things. The curiously timed release of the Mark Warner Waldman techs where Mark Warner at democrat Senator on the Intel committee that's been investigating the air quotes collusion. Nonsense says on March seventeen hey, I'm going in the skiff to review some documents. Then we have the arrest of the Senate committee staffer working with Mark water for lying to the FBI about what about leaks, and we have the curiously timed the release of the FIS application where every single thing is blackout except for one day March seventeen the same day Warner goes in the skiff to say, he's reviewing documents. And curiously the same day that wolf the staffer right around that time, I should say where he starts texting his girlfriend in a reporter. The eighty two texts and conveniently there's eighty two pages in the FIS the application the first one. Now. That's that's what the eighty two is important because if James Wolfe had the full FIS application without the reductions, and it was eighty two pages. The eighty two techs make sense they would be screened shots. If that's the case screen shots to his girlfriend. Why would you screen shot a fully redacted page you wouldn't meeting? He probably if that's the case texted are the full FIS application if those that's what that is. But remember wolves prosecution I'll tie this up for you in a second during Wolfson vest, the Gatien prosecution wolf's lawyer who use the staffer now working with the Senate Intel committee on this collusion case who at some point may have taken possession of this awful FIS application, which lays out the whole scheme to take down Trump right at one point his lawyer, Joe his lawyer wolf's lawyer threatens to subpoena who the senators on the committee, folks, why does this matter? It matters because wolf was not arrested and prosecuted for leaking information. He was arrested and prosecuted for lying to the FBI about leaking information that do you understand the difference? He was not arrested for the leaks. He was arrested for lying about the leaks. Why would his attorney wolf the staffer in his defense say, hey. We're going to subpoena. The US senators on the committee is the fence. In other words, he's not lying. That's the lawyer talking. Meaning what Joe if he subpoenaing the senators did the senators order him or suggest the him that he leaked the information? And that's his defense, folks. Are you tracking me? Oh, yeah. I did not bring this up yesterday. I'm sorry. I got so lost in the is is Whitaker the cleaner, which was these tree houses line of attack on them. And otherwise was he the one leaving breadcrumbs on this canary trap where the leakers have all been exposed. And the senators may be the leakers. You're right. How did I not bring that up? The leakers may been the senators telling wolf the staffer, hey, go leaked to the press therefore wolves the defense is going to be I didn't lie to the F B. I thought I was authorized to leak it. I was told by the senators does that make sense show. Thanks true. Even shoe. He gets it, folks. Please track me here with a Whitaker may very well be the guy who was involved in leaving all these clues out there the FIS application the date on the FIS application that tax about the date. They reviewed the FIS application the wolf prosecution the wolf prosecution and the tax where they Indian Dighton they release all this information or the prosecuting documents. They don't need to release. It's a simple lying to the FBI charge. Just say what he lied about. But it's not what they do. They lay out this whole elaborate case, and then they don't charge them at leaking. Folks. This is really really curious. What's going on right now? I think the coming days, we may see some Muller stuff some indictments there's a rumor there's going to be indictment of Jerome Corsi and Roger stone for some contacts with Nikki WikiLeaks and some alleged lies to the FBI about it. We'll see what happens, but expect a lot of breaking news. Don't think for a second is cases over they are attacking Wittig or full force because I think Whittaker to sum this up is read in fully on the fact that some United States senators on the Republican democrat side may be knee deep in a major league leak scandal where they leaked sensitive documents to people in the media or Joe ordered someone else to do it. And that someone else may in fact, be wolf and that would explain wolf's attorneys are like, no, no we didn't lie about it. Matter of fact, we're going to subpoena the senators why would they do that? Why would you do that? Because maybe he was ordered to do it. So good call on that. I'm sorry. I missed it yesterday. Couple of other stories I wanted to get to. Folks, there's a conversation with a conservative friend of mine, you guys see a lot of FOX's morning. He's like, Dan. I gotta tell you all the things about your show. He's I really appreciate the economic stuff. He's like, how did you learn all that you know, just reading and did a finance MBA school? I'm just I just really enjoy economics. But one of the things I wanted to discuss today with you just quickly is folks the debt ceiling is about to go up again in mid summer guys. Ladies, Dan, Horowitz, wrote a piece on this. I talked about it last week. I interviewed Dan Horowitz on my TV show which airs at five thirty PM eastern time at inter ATV dot com. If you ever want to check it out, I do interviews on the show once in a while. Ladies and gentlemen, we're in a race against time right now in the economy, and I cannot warn you and stern enough terms. I don't mean to do a macabre show today. I'm not trying to depress you especially after what was I think? Now, given that looks like we're gonna lose up to thirty four seats. Maybe more was not a good election. Okay. There's no putting lipstick on that pig. None. We just we lost. You know? We did. Okay. In the Senate. Okay. And the governorships. In swing states, but it was a bad election, and we need to accept that the day after it didn't seem so bad. Because it looks like we're going to lose twenty four now that it's up to thirty four seats and our in trouble. I'm bringing this up today because we are in a race against time right now. Our debt the debt ceiling is going to go up midsummer to twenty two trillion dollars. Folks, our economy is only worth about twenty twenty one trillion. We are looking at right now a catastrophic debt situation and here's the race against time. And maybe a better off describing the race against time for you to get you a little worried and anxious. It matters. That's what turns people out. Describe it in terms of micro rather than the macroeconomics. I'm going to describe it. Terms of your household. If Joe is Joe is Joe's household, right? Joe earn say fifty thousand dollars a year and has fifty thousand dollars in debt, which is the which is what the United States that position. Aaron right now, everything where worth their entire GDP is twenty trillion we owe twenty two trillion that's where the debt ceilings going amid summer. So we owe everything we make we produce in a year. Think about in terms of the micro. If Joe owes fifty thousand and he makes fifty thousand that fifty thousand dollars is a lot of debt, and that's going to stink. It wouldn't be so bad if Joe's income grows faster than interest rates, right because if Joe's income grows ten percent a year and interest rates on that outstanding debt because we have to pay interest on that debt folks that showed us Joe if Joe's fifty thousand dollars to a credit card company and a credit card interest rate is five percent. But Joe's income is growing at ten percent. The economy, even though it has a lot of debt. Joe's personal Connie is is not in catastrophic shape. Does that make sense? Joe you got you tracking. Pretty simple math. I'm not trying to be condescending. It just you have to understand this because when we get into the macro it gets confusing. If Joe's economy grows at ten and the debt grows at five five what's making the situation in the United States. Catastrophic is the debt is not at fifty. It's going up every year dramatically in some. Cases by estimates by trillion dollars a year. So now, Joe doesn't only make fifty fifty in debt. Joe bay make fifty one next year, but the debt is fifty two. So now, we have a math problem. Because even if Joe's income goes up by seven percent and the interest rate on debt goes up by six the debt keeps going up that's just because of the interest rate because he's taking more debt out every year is spending more than he earns folks we are in a catastrophic race against time right now. And I wished Republican lawmakers would get their heads out of their butts. And finally, take a stand. Let me circle back the point one. And what happened in Arizona? We are playing it too safe. Sooner or later, the combined defect of the interest on the debt as interest rates go up, which are going to do why do interest rates go up as that goes up think about it very simply whether in Joe's case or the country's case because in order for people to lend Joe more money as he takes on more debt. Joe is a bigger risk. So they're going to want higher interest rates and returns to compensate they'll maybe lend Joe of money at fifty. At fifty thousand thousand but when Joe seventy and that's going to be Joe Joe, this is too much. I need ten percent. The same things happening to the United States. Interest rates are going to have to go up as our debt goes up because the country is going to become a big risk. If interest rates and the debt continued to go up, ladies and gentlemen, we are going to have to grow at staggering rates to make ourselves grow out of this. Bankruptcy apocalypse? Now, there are two ways to do. This thankfully, there are two forks in this in this road. I shouldn't say force their parallel paths, we can cut government spending dramatically, which is what we should be doing and have a full court press on entitlement reform. If we do that while simultaneously, cutting taxes and juicing the economy for four and five percent growth like Trump's been doing, ladies and gentlemen, the debt will become entirely manageable. And we will be on a glide path into the future for prosperity. You've never seen before the problem is we're only focusing on one fork. On this parallel track. We are stalled on that. We're actually we're not even stalled we're on an oughta horrible path on the government spending side, we're spending more and more and more. It is eventually going to become a pure mathematical certainty that we will become bankrupt certainty. On the tax cut side. And the regulation side. Trump is doing an excellent job. I am begging imploring for the audience. I have to anyone listening. Please make this case to the American people and stop playing it safe. I'm saying that Joe because we are at a tipping point right now. And if we hit a recession before the twenty twenty election folks record this show record it and keep it on your on your phone. If interest rates start to go up because the debt seems uncontrollable and people stopped lending us money, and we got to go up to maybe five and five and a half and six percent even higher. We were at fifteen percent for mortgages in the eighties. The cost of money's gonna go up. The economy could go into recession because we're spending too much, and we have to pay higher interest rates if it goes into recession before twenty twenty the general election, folks, I'm telling you right now it's going to get ugly, ugly catastrophically ugly. The good news is we can stop it. If we just put a cap on the spending now I'd love spending cuts. But if we simply said, no more we have too much debt. We are not growing what we are not growing our budget anymore. If we just put a cap on it Trump is growing the economy so much through the tax cuts in deregulation that we have the chance to grow our income. Our national income just like Joe's income at a high enough rate that the debt will become manageable. And not the problem. It is now. We're running out of time. Folks. I can't say this enough, Dan Horowitz wrote a piece it's and last week showed somewhere at conservative review about exactly this problem. This will not continue forever. If we continue to stick our heads in the sand. We have got to get a lid on government spending. And I bring it up because the debt ceilings coming up again, and they're going to bump it again. And nobody thinks anything about it anymore. They just think this is going to go on forever. It will not. All right one last story here. Folks in California. Listen, I love you guys and ladies out there. I really feel bad. I've travelled out there. A lot of the fires going on now. Which are just I brought it up yesterday. I lived through a house fire. It is the campfires now the deadliest in state history. God bless you an. I hate to even talk about a political story. It's not related to the fire. But I wanted to bring that up. I please listen to the ending ES ratio. I've been to it is the most devastating. You don't even know what you lost because years later you go back. Oh my gosh. We're we're my doc marten boots from they burn to. It's the worst thing ever. It really is it's horrible. But California folks, I don't know if you read the story just elected a super majority into the Senate, they already have they have forty senators and eighty representatives in the California house. They finally got to Twenty-eight, meaning they have a super majority. Now, joe. California. I'm telling I'm just telling you, I know you listen to my show. I get some of your nasty emails, California. Liberals you now own the state completely. Entirely the state state level politics. There are obviously pockets of republicanism left you own state level politics. You now have a super majority in both houses you have the governorship Lieutenant governor ship. The attorney general you have free thing. There's nobody left to blame. I'm saying this folks because if you're in California, and you're moving out of California because you think the taxes are too high the living conditions are poor or you're not happy with the job market. You don't like to income inequality. You now have nobody. Nobody left to blame. But yourself there is zero. Listen to me zero ability for the Republican party statewide and California to stop anything anymore. Anything except do ballot initiatives. They have a veto proof. Supermajority I want to put that out there. So there's no confusion in the future because the Democrats have been experts at this messaging game. So that there's absolutely no confusion. If there is a mass exodus or continuous should say if when it continues out of California who was at full make no mistake what you're fleeing. You're not fleeing conservatism, you're not a fleeing libertarianism, you're not fleeing economic or health care liberty. You are fleeing monopolistic democrat control of an entire state with zero ability for Republicans to fight back. That's what you voted in. I just read this story today about the supermajority appears some racist. We're called you now own it. Now, let's see what you do with it. They had close to that type of control in Maryland where I came from. And it was voted out by now a second term Republican governor because people got tired of businesses fleeing Maryland Virginia you own at California. Now, you try to fix it. All right, folks. Thanks again for tuning in. Really? Appreciate you listen to the show again. A hope he listened to yesterday's show. This show is for you. And I'm very sensitive to your feedback. It means a lot to me you've invested a lot of time in me just have a couple of asks if you wouldn't mind please subscribe to the show police. It means a lot to us. It helps us move up the charts. It is absolutely free. You can subscribe at I tunes soundcloud iheartradio Spotify. There are tons of different ways. You can listen on my website punch dot com, and if you wouldn't mind sharing our content. We would really appreciate again, the subscriptions are free. But that's what moves us up the I tunes charts, and it helps people. Find this. 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Tues. 01/28  I Owe Ya a Visit, Iowa

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Tues. 01/28 I Owe Ya a Visit, Iowa

"Welcome to the election. Ride home for Tuesday January Twenty Eighth Two Thousand and twenty on your hosts Glenn Fleishman with a summary of election. The news today. The last relevance in Iowa while three of the top five candidates are stuck in the Senate impeachment trial in DC. A Republican senator tries to the throw sheet on Joe Biden and he revels in it. The way the SPOL- Jockeying for Senate seats this ball and the latest impeachment updates. It is six exte- until the Iowa caucuses fourteen until New Hampshire and two hundred and seventy nine days until the general election. And here's what you missed today from the campaign pain Trail Iowa is days away as I just said so. Let's do our Iowa. Update senators. Amy Klobuchar Machar Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth. Warren cannot be in the field because of the Senate impeachment trial which continues for an indeterminate. Amount of time. As I'll discuss later in the podcast this also puts in. DC candidate Michael Bennett who remains in the race and Cory Booker. Who exited the race? But it's not chosen whom to endorse former vice vice president. Joe Biden and former South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete put a judge are able to Criss Cross Iowa at their leisure as two of the pack of five at the top of Iowa. Polling Rolling candidates who are senators visited Iowa over the weekend and tried to make the best of it while they're surrogates and campaign staff are working as hard as they can to make the case for candidacies this. He's in their absence. I will voters don't seem to care much about the impeachment in terms of their vote. Amy Walter of the Cook Political report said this to Judy. Eighty woodruff on the PBS. Newshour yesterday but fundamentally they WanNa know will he be convicted or acquitted and where we are at this point even among Democrats and I talked to a lot of them in Iowa their belief is basically that he will be acquitted at the end of the day and so the focus. Yes they need to do their job. That's doesn't mean they don't care about impeachment or they don't think it's important but they need to what they're focusing on right now is. which is the candidate that can win in November because as more more likely than not that if we want to beat Donald trump it will have to be at the ballot? Box will not be through impeachment one of the recurring bits of analysis. Coming out is that sanders could be the top recipient of pledged delegates in Iowa Not by scoring a decisive lead or splitting fifty-fifty with Biden or other scenarios rather if he achieves twenty seven percent of caucus goers support on average and no other candidate tops. Twenty five percent. He'll come out on top. He can declare a win as I have explained. Sorry so many times. Each of the nearly two thousand separate precincts in Iowa have their own outcomes each candidate's supporters have to reach a fifteen percent threshold in the caucus or required a shift support to others notably wants a candidate in a caucus passes fifteen percent all that person's supporters submit a card hard for a paper audit trail. CanNot change their vote and can leave. The horse-trading is among the sub. Fifteen percent groups who can throw their support to a candidate. Pass the threshold DOC or trying to assemble support among themselves to push one of their candidates past fifteen percent while Warren is the number two choice in many polls for people whose number one choice choice doesn't hit the threshold. Sanders is likely to receive her supporters. And those of many sub fifteen percent candidates in caucus in which Warren can't ultimately reach that magic adjective fifteen percent threshold winning Iowa. Even without taking the lion's share of the pledged delegates would be one feather and Sanders Cap New Hampshire votes next and Sanders Sanders has large leads in several. Polls since nineteen seventy six only two Democratic candidates have won Iowa and not the eventual nomination in nineteen ninety eight and in nineteen. ninety-two four have lost New Hampshire in that period but prevailed in the primaries but in the four election cycles in which the candidate won both Iowa and New Hampshire they became the nominee and yet sanders doesn't have a law because of that. Large quantity of caucuses each of them. A unique mix the New York Times captured. This scrum the report yesterday from Iowa by Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burnes talking to Iowa Democrats after a fundraiser. On Saturday night the reporter said the attendees hadn't yet decided I do quote but by not mentioning his name as they rattled off their shortlists. They made it clear whom they would not support Senator Bernie Sanders the democratic socialist from Vermont. What was taken the lead in recent polls? Instead every one of the thirty still undecided democratic activists here rattled off some combination of the same forenames Warren Club. HR Biden and Buddha judge and quote. The New York Times also pointed out that clip. HR's strong but sub fifteen percent support in polling means. If her backers shift lift as block consistently across the meet ups they can effectively decide the overall winner in Iowa but club. HR has made a last ditch appeal to move on from Iowa telling voters quote. This person deserves a ticket out of Iowa to be able to go forward and I'm asking you to do that for me and quote. CNN noted club Char needs a good showing coming in Iowa more than almost any candidate in the twenty twenty field. Her poll numbers outside of the state trail her competitors and she has shown little ability to win over black and Latino not no voters who will be critical in contests Nevada South Carolina and other contests and quote club. Says she's committed through New Hampshire and like like the top four in the race as well as entrepreneur Andrew Young and billionaire. Tom Steyer has already qualified for the Democratic National Committee. Debate taking place February seventh in Manchester. Fester New Hampshire Tulsi Gabbard has the potential still to qualify as well which would put eight candidates on stage at this point in the race nonetheless. One of the likely clear-out comes of Iowa. Our delegates entirely split between Sanders Biden. Warn Buddha judge in that order and with those include which are heading to New Hampshire and beyond with any the amount of viability. I will mark the start of the season as you. 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Hey from this noting on twitter later on Monday Iowa Caucus arcus goers take note Joni Ernst spill the beans she and Donald Trump are scared to death. I'll be the nominee and tweet in a statement. Biden's rapid response director Andrew Bates said Senator Ernst just said the quiet part out loud. Republicans are terrified. That Joe Biden will be the Democratic nominee defeat Donald trump and help progressives gain seats seats in the house and take the Senate. Donald Trump himself was so afraid of running against Joe Biden that he became the only president in American history who tried to force a foreign country entry to lie on behalf of his struggling reelection campaign and quote reporters in Iowa. Say That Biden has been repeating similar lines at events today quote. You know the whole impeachment trial for trump is just a political. Hit Job to try to smear me because he is scared to death to run against me and he has good reason to be concerned and quote given given the extreme distrust of the President by Democrats in any poll that asks the question it seems unlikely that Democrats or most democratic-leaning independence will have their faith eighth shaken and Biden because of droning presentations in the Senate attempting to link Biden to corruption in Ukraine. There's no evidence of such in fact. Republicans have made it clearer. That all of Biden's actions statements were part of Obama Administration policy and took place in the open After the deluge of polls yesterday I have just one bit of pulling news for today morning. Consults latest survey conducted January twentieth. Twenty six is out. They spoke to seventeen thousand eight hundred and thirty six people likely to vote in the Democratic primaries nationwide and found and Biden at twenty nine Percent Sanders Twenty three percent warren fourteen percent former New York mayor and current multi-billionaire Mike Bloomberg right behind at twelve percent Buddha judge judge at seven percent Yang five percent club which are three percents dire three percent. Everyone else is one percent or fewer. The margin of error is a wafer thin plus or minus one percent percent Bloomberg is approaching having spent three hundred million dollars in the race. So far and his polling shows not only national standing but improvement in key demographics notably the former mayor apologize for his. Ill advised. Stop and Frisk policy that disproportionately affected black people Latinos and other people of color and was found unconstitutional institutional and also ineffective in reducing crime. Here defendant up to not long before the apology. Well Bloomberg entered the race with net favorability among Democratic primary voters voters of plus five percent and among black voters of plus four percent that number has skyrocketed to plus thirty three percent among all Democratic primary voters and plus thirty two percent among black voters in that group meanwhile as discussed several days ago newspaper endorsements rarely have a real world net effect morning. Consult looked looked at the dual endorsement of the New York Times. Warren cloture among all voters surveyed opinions were unchanged among just New York Times readers with a plus or minus six percent margin of error for that group support. Didn't change within that margin of error Doug Collins Island's a gop house member and part of Trump's team of house impeachment defenders will run any Georgia's Senate primaries. According to The New York Times he'll be fighting Kelly Laughlin from the nomination nomination. She was appointed by Georgia's governor. Brian Kemp who won a brutal fight in which Democrats alleged voter suppression Kemp was the Secretary of state of Georgia during the election law flirting Johnny. Isaacson seat who resigned for health reasons in August twenty nineteen trump and others urged him to appoint Collins at that time. Laughlin was a significant donor to the party. Seeing the threat she has become more belligerent. Of late she tweeted yesterday in response to Utah. Senator Mitt Romney voicing the need to to hear from some witnesses quote. Sadly my colleagues Senator Romney wants to appease the left by calling witnesses who will slander. Donald Trump during their fifteen minutes of fame name and quote Leffler donated nearly eight hundred thousand dollars to Romney's twenty twelve presidential campaign and her husband donated eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars dollars. Trump has shown that his support can help candidates win or doom them or make no difference when they're really terrible as in his attempt in late twenty nineteen eighteen to rally the troops in Kentucky. There Matt Bevin lost a re-election bid as governor to a Democrat when all other statewide seats were won by Republicans nearly all with double double. Digit Percentage Wins Bevin was deeply unpopular and pardoned convicted child molesters among his last acts as governor the focus in elections has largely. We've been on the crowded Democratic presidential nomination race but Senate seats will be critical as well. In the two thousand eighteen election's more democratic held seats were in front of voters and condemn senators faced effective Republican challengers. That across had a net loss of two seats leading to the current fifty three to forty seven split Isaac sins resignation and Senator John McCain's death led to two seats being filled mid cycle. That will be voted on this time around leading to thirty five Senate races instead of the typical thirty two or thirty three and this time. It's mostly Republican senators. Who are facing the voters? Senator Martha mcsally Lost Twenty eighteen race to Kirsten cinema but the state's governor appointed accelerate to McCain seat. Her seat is vulnerable with many political analysts. Calling it a Tossup Cory Gardner in Colorado and Thom Tillis in North Carolina Allina are also generally ranked tossups while Susan Collins in Maine faces high unpopularity scores from a state that favors independence. Over blind party allegiance it has a strong Democratic challenger and some analysts call her race. A toss up while others think it's still likely in her favor. Washington Post reported that the political arm of the Bloomberg Berg funded every town for Gun. Safety will spend sixty million dollars in opposing trump and other politicians including spending in the Gardner race in Colorado and Mick Sally in Arizona Dams are not favored to hold Doug Jones seat in Alabama where Jones won in an incredibly bloody fight for the position. That jeff sessions's vacated to become one of trump's attorney general's Jones ran against Roy Moore twice removed Supreme Court justice in that state amidst several allegations that ranged from acts of sexual assault through unwanted contact or pursuit suit of relationships. Moore was in his thirties while some of the women who raised allegations against him were as young as sixteen although the age of consent is sixteen in Alabama and yes is that only affects issues of consensual relationships. Not Of course of sexual assault or other harassment sessions and more and other. GOP candidates will battle it out in a primary. Hi Mary for the GOP nomination. If sessions wins the nomination he would likely take the seat Moore. Having had effectively no consequences resulting from the controversies in his first run. One would likely win. Without extraordinary circumstances this time around political analysis sites decent odds of Democrats having as many as forty nine seats but none predict fifty at required for a Senate majority if trump wins reelection allowing vice president which we assume will remain Mike Pence to cast deciding ballots in ties. Fifty one is the number needed for a decisive disability and it seems out of reach and now the daily impeachment update the Senate trial continues today with trump's impeachment legal team wrapping up their remarks yesterday. Alan Dershowitz Professor Emeritus meritous at Harvard. Law School delivered a constitutional argument. That the drafters only intended criminal offenses to be impeachable. However he's not a constitutional scholar and nearly all all of those such people reject? That argument. Bushwick is best known as a defense lawyer for celebrity clients such as Oj. Simpson Klaus von Bulow and Jeffrey Epstein. Who is also a personal friend? Previous presidential impeachments have included articles that weren't based on statutory crimes meanwhile a few days ago the GAO or government permit accountability office said that withholding aid from Ukraine as trump did was illegal former independent counsel. Ken Starr who led the bill. Clinton impeachment investigation Asian and process. Yesterday told the Senate that impeachments are happening too frequently and that they must be bipartisan. Clinton's impeachment of course was almost perfectly partisan a handful. I'm full of Democrats voted for three of the four articles only wanted for the fourth. Meanwhile five Republicans voted against the first article. Twenty eight against the second twelve against the third and eighty one against the fourth. So I guess it was bipartisan. In a different way star argued both in favor of a criminal standard against it and nobody seems quite sure if he was critiquing himself justifying his actions or just saying expedient words. The last seems most likely senator. Debbie Stan Democrat of Michigan. Summarized the day like this we started hearing Ken Starr lecture us about how divisive impeachment is really. Then we heard that Rudy. Giuliani is a great American hero. And then we finally heard a summation from Jeffrey Epstein's attorney and quote today. The team is focusing on explaining Wino- new witness testimony or evidence is needed did even as they ignored or downplayed. The explosive reveal over the weekend of the unpublished manuscript of former national security advisor. John Bolton's upcoming book. 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Have Americans Changed Their Minds On Abortion?

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Have Americans Changed Their Minds On Abortion?

"Why my hosting you? You are you guys should host. To the fivethirtyeight politics, podcast. I am mica Cohen gala droop are normal host is out today. The twenty twenty democratic field continues to grow, which means it's time for some announcement music. In the last few weeks, Colorado Senator, Michael Bennet, Montana governor, Steve Bullock in New York City. Mayor Bill de Blasios all entered the race today. We're going to spend some time on packing Bill de Blasios theory of the case here with me to do that are editor in chief, Nate silver. Hey, how are you, Mike? I'm very good. Thank you. And senior politics writer, Claire Malone. Hey Claire in this past month. We've also seen restrictive abortion legislation signed in Georgia Alabama, and Ohio additional bills in Louisiana and Missouri are expected to be signed soon son today's show, we're going to look into what's behind the spate of new abortion bills has public opinion changed on abortion. And finally, we'll take an early look at the non presidential races. In twenty twenty condemn Kratz win the Senate can Republicans win back the house. We'll see what we know so far. Let's begin with Bill de Blasio last Thursday. New York City, mayor Bill de Blasio, kicked off his presidential run with video entitled working people. I. Where he cast himself as tough. Progressive a champion for the working class. He took care at the point out that as a fellow New Yorker, he knew how to take on Donald Trump calling him, quote Kanban multiple times on. Good Morning America. Guys, we got to think of the good nickname for GM who should have maybe spent a little longer, the nickname already elicited a rebuttal video, though, from from the president on Twitter, where he called the Blasios the worst mayor in New York City's history with, with that let's dive into his theory of the case, Claire, where is Bill de Blasios, situated within the party. De Blasio is a progressive word that holds little to no meaning anymore as far as being descriptive. I would say to blase is kind of the, the original sort of social Justice progressive. I believe he was on John Edwards is two thousand seven presidential campaign. If people will remember it was the whole there to America's real focus on poverty when de Blasio came into office in. Thirteen. He was a bit of a surprise winning the, the Newark, mayoral election. His whole thing was basically about income inequality. Particularly in New York, which obviously has a huge problem with that. So I would say that the Blasio is a progressive progressive. You know, he's, he's on the left, he's not a Bernie Sanders democratic socialist, in part because I think being mayor of New York and being involved in your politics, imbues, abuse, you with some sense of pragmatism. Now we can go into whether or not build Blasi actually wheeled his power. Well, with the New York, and I'm kind of assuming, we will since we all live in New York City, but I would say he's kind of a standard left progressive in today's twenty nineteen Democratic Party move you agree with that. Yeah. No. I think that's the right characterization and, and as compared to like a lot of people in the primary, both in the left hand side of the primary and overall. He's sort of can point to a track record. There are not a lot of candidate with executive experience. Period in the field is the big city too. It's a big city. It's the biggest and best city in the world. Thumb biggest might be the best best city in the world stuff that controversial Clinton. Where else would be better? I'm in. Okay. Give me a better. I have certain biases in this, like Barscelona is one of my favorite cities doesn't hold a candle to York. New york. I say this with love, but New York could be prettier. I mean obviously the city is better than start with Washington DC definitely will so based on all this, the Bosnia should be president, or they know I thought about that, because, like, I think that some of his national reputation is hurt by the fact that so many journalists live in New York. I was talking about that this this weekend with someone who's a lifetime lifelong New Yorker. And he was saying, like, you know, actually, the Blasios has been a good mayor. And a lot of ways for what people kind of thought they were electing, right? Like the city now has universal pre-k in a program. That's pretty successful. But I think that call that his kind of marquee program, but to Blasios is a, a difficult personality people who, by the way, like, there's so many smart talented like dog ID city hall reporters in New York that, like, I'm not even going to pretend pretending to, like know the ins and outs of. New York politics. But I don't think he has a great reputation for interpersonal leadership. He also has a reputation for not being at city hall that much for like working out at his gym. Also, just like not being at the office enough. That's the thing. But I think the really big dynamic that, that peeves people is the Cuomo dynamic. It's the city state dynamic, which is New York is the biggest city in America. It has it has a lot of power in some sense, but another sense, it is at the whims of a governor who has other constituents. So the big problem with the subways where Cuomo, and the state itself have a lot of, frankly, a lot more power than the mayor does. And the fact that, that to Blasios hasn't been able to lean on New York state politicians, and no way that I think a lot of New Yorkers kind of wish there mayor could has really gotten a lot of ill-will. So first of all, one piece of context, is that de Blasios someone who, although not overwhelmingly popular. His approval ratings are about break. Even right now he was reelected by a very large margin. And what was like thirty seven points or something and has spent more of his Merrill term being being more popular than unpopular, but a lot of that popularity comes from voters who are not white, which, of course, the elect in New York is a majority of the electorate and so de Blasios, someone who has never been all that. Well, kind of regarded by light kind of college educated, highly politically informed, white voters, but in an odd way, kind of in the same way that, like Joe Biden's been had his popularity under eight among Democrats. There is a bit of that with diplomacy oh as well. So someone I don't actually pale them close attention to New York politics. I find the kind of diplomacy. Oh, hey, a little confusing. No one's ever really explained it to me and like a sink clear way. I mean you probably just came closest where it's just like he rubs people the wrong way. Yes, he received the wrong way. But I really do. Think we can't underestimate the Cuomo dynamics, I mean, essentially people see to Blasios being masculine by Cuomo, on a political power-play sense. And if and they see it affecting their daily lives like I said, and like Nate said there's, there's a sense to. He is not a canny political operator, and that kind of ranges from, like, for reasons that when totally understands the insists on, like taking the Jim go to the gym. Mark slow in park slope. Yeah. We should clarify that we should clarify for people who do not live in New York, and do not know the geography, that is an hour, long car, ride each way. It is insane. Why does he do it to stay in touch with the community again? You can make a case. He has implement a fair number of progressive policies in a big complicated city e was reelected, twice easily ratings are no wonder great. But they're okay. I mean just kind of on the surface, he also started kind of progressive when he was elected in two thousand thirteen. It was a big deal. Like I did not live in New York at the time and paid attention to that election closely because of the nature of his platform. So let's start to get into that more as we wrap this up grace who's producing the show put in the notes like he was progressive kind of before. It was cool which which you'd think would be an advantage in this primary. But I don't know. You, do you need to be popular in your home area of representation to to win. Well, he's not popular. He doesn't appear to be off the bat, a popular with his home state. Which, yeah, I think that's fair that. That. But it also doesn't seem like he's getting much traction in early state d you know, he's been up like a few times over the past year year and a half. And people have, I think, met him with the sort of, like, why are you doing this kind of reaction? I do think it I think some of the motivations for like he is what the twenty third person to enter the race. Why is he doing it against reportedly, the advice of many of his advisors? I think it goes to, you know, maybe he's bored being the mayor of Newark. Maybe he's relatively young man. He's been he's two term mayor of New York. What do you do after that, right? Alexander wept for there were no more worlds to conquer like that. The Bill to Blasi of six foot five syndrome. I don't know run for president could be governor. Mark Tom could show Cuomo and lose by thirty points from well, but we're, we're being pretty dismissive of his chances in the primary. I feel like compared to most people were being quite. That says something. We're discussing his, his trail-blazing being progressive executive if you do, I mean, look, if you do a blind resume test, two term, mayor of New York elected on a multi racial constituency with some tangible progressive accomplishments. I mean that's not crazy. Right. That's not the worst resume might be in the top half resumes, giving we have twenty two or even less count. Now candidates right. Filler Canada fall in that category. You know, kind of two-term governor of a of a swing state. Like John Hickenlooper you think would be doing better or Jila brand, you might think it'd be doing better so it's not the only one where like he seems where the credentials seem better than result. But like, but I don't know. I mean it's you're right. It's hard to imagine a scenario, but, like okay, imagine that. Bernie implodes, and like, yeah, for some reason, his supporters don't trust Warren. Because she's a woman that's not hard to imagine. You know, well is the blase like a good debater could you guys see him catching on? I mean he's run crowded primary before I guess, how much this does come back to, Dan, you know, a ton of people passing around that poll result from Quinnipiac that three quarters of New York City voters didn't think the Blasios should run for president does all this dismiss him this come back to that, that if you if you're if you're voters, don't think you should do this. Then what are you doing? No. Because I venture about that. Like a lot of constituents of a lot of people running don't want them, don't want them to run because they like can you govern us? And by the way, how many he just got real TS two years left in his term, my mayor, our mayor, and one of our centers is running for president. I mean that's probably not great for my constituent service, Sam. Point, you've felt the dearth of constituent services, and I feel like you know, his honor is not really different than other people who are probably fielding some anger calls from constituents saying, like, why are you doing this? You're gonna win their twenty two other people in the field, although and I and I'm betting that the senators who are running for president are getting fewer of those calls. I would like these feels more natural, I would like the mare Senator gillibrand focus on important priorities for me just building a good poker room somewhere in New York. It's, but then if we have to translate, what let's, let's, let's just mow on past Taraf here, you were recently about the influx of like straight white men jumping into face. I think we called it on the site, a stampede and the blahsy oh, and Bullock and Bennett all fall in that in that category. Why do you think we're seeing that? I think it is like a lot of male ego. I mean, isn't that kind of I'm not like usually someone who's all like intersectional or whatever. But like the fact. You have like literally, the last we don't count, Wayne mess him because he, we think his campaigns not major, right? But, but, like literally eleven candidates in a row or eleven twelve after you have this, very diverse field are all straight white men. I think there's a sense of like entitlement because honestly, like obviously, they're exceptions like Bernie, and Biden are in that group or whatever, but a lot of the campaigns are like pretty darn half ass and it's a little bit. Like I can just kind of show up here when I feel like it, and I'm a straight white guy, and so therefore, people must pay attention. We talked about this. I'm sure all of these people were considering running for president for the past couple of years. But in maybe other environments, they wouldn't have gotten in there are no, there's no reason not to run. If you're if you're that person, there's not there, aren't that many barriers to entry realistically to this primary, in part because it's not that embarrassing if you lose the toge- twenty two other people are going to lose to. Okay. So let's leave it there. And we're gonna move into pulling them around abortion, how it's changing or not changing. But first, let me tell you that today's podcast is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go where hiring. It's simple fast and smart, a place where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates that place is oop, recruiter dot com slash five three eight the numbers ZipRecruiter center job, to over one hundred of the web's leading. Job boards. 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Mostly legal, mostly illegal or illegal under all circumstances, which should we focus on? It's interesting to look at the trends, and see how steady the number relatively steady the number for legal under certain circumstances has been, and I think you've seen in, in recent years, legal under any circumstances rise a bit. I think that legal under certain circumstances, probably gets to the heart of how a lot of Americans feel about abortion, which is wanted to be. Legal, but are squeamish for lack of a better word with certain later term abortions. Let me lay out the pulling a bit here using using that scale. Claire, just reference legal only under certain circumstances is consistently been the kind of most popular choice when Gallup has tested this, and it's been, you know, that's been consistent for for decades. It was at about fifty percent of people chose that in twenty eight next comes legal under any circumstances. That was twenty nine percent, most recently, and then illegal in all circumstances, pulls worst, according to Gallup that was eighteen percent and twenty eight teen clear to your point that the top choice with a majority of bare majority, but a majority is legal. But with some constraints on their yes. Although we should say that legal under any circumstances has been as I would say, like taking away some support from legal under certain circumstances. I e I think more people in the column. Abortion should be legal. I do think you see a little bit of movement towards people saying it should be legal under any circumstance. Right. And that's drawing from legal under cert-, certain circumstances. But it's on this sort of ranks legal. Yes, it's all on this, the side of mostly legal and I do think that, that is interesting, especially because, and I would say, perhaps, this is happening because you are seeing conservatives get very successful at tackling abortion, sort of death by thousands cuts. And so, I think you probably see a little bit of a reaction in the polling with people who were, I'm for abortion under cert-, certain circumstances. Then they see sort of what they might perceive as a tax and perceive. They are taxed on Roe v. Wade. And they might say Yikes right? So I'm going to become pro-abortion under any circumstances. Yeah. Look. Or you so first of all, the terms pro-life pro-choice, if you have carefully read five thirty as journalism at least since we kind of became if you nor the days and I was just out on my own right. Today's when we work with other news organizations, like the New York Times, or ABC news, you've noticed that we try to avoid using terms pro choice, and pro life where possible because they're not very specific. We know what they mean kind of in context. But like they're kind of like, they're sort of loaded terms that are meant to, like, frame, the issue, a certain way, and they're sort of brands. And if you look at the brands kind of compete fairly evenly over time, but people can be sensitive to kind of where they perceive, the bigger threats to be if you start to hear noise are not noise start to hear claims. Democrats are sympathetic to late term abortion, that might shift people in one direction. If you start to hear claims at like Roe v. Wade is under threat that much if people in different direction. It is clear, by the way, is that overturning Roe v? Wade. Would be unpopular even people who are on the fence about abortion. And many people are in that kind of plurality category of legal under some circumstances has been fairly persistent. But if you were to overturn Roe v. Wade if you were to pass bills that are as right wing as the Alabama Bill than can cause a backlash potentially. So let's, let's come back to that backlash idea. But why is it that so you know that Gallup poll found sixty percent of American stink. First trimester abortion, should be legal sixty four percent said that did not want road to be overturned. But yet when the same poll asked pro-life pro-choice, it splits, basically, perfectly evenly forty-eight forty-eight among the people who say that they want first term. I. Abortion, simply separate questions. So they're, they're asking a pull the people, do you think first trimester abortion, should be legal sixty percent. Say yes, do you want Roe overturned sixty four percent say no? Right. But among that same group overall pro-life pro-choice. They're divided more equally. In other words, there's not a majority on the on the pro choice side. I think you hear a lot of people say to you, when you talk about pro choice, pro-life, a lot of people make a distinction between being personally pro life and I'm using the, the terms that people generally use think personally pro-life, I would not want to get an abortion. I would not want whoever I'm with to get an abortion, but legally, I am pro choice because I understand the reality of, you know, the United States and the world and that women have always. Sought to get abortions and I want abortions to be safe. I think it's a really interesting. You often see Catholic politicians who are Democrats, taking this parsing stance Nancy Pelosi is someone who I believe, has identified herself as personally pro life. But you I mean, you know, she is a establishment democrat through and through she is pro choice in her political stance. And I think that that's something that's become a I'm trying to think of the last Catholic democratic politician on the national level to be pro life, and I believe it might have been Mariel Cuomo. So it's a it's an interesting, but I do think while that might not be a tenable position for a lot of National Democratic Party figures, the probably people on the state level, for sure. I do think it's a it's a it's a nuanced position that I think a lot of people still have, or they might say, I'm personally against it, but I think it should be legal. The and you might see those people limit themselves to while I only think first trimester abortion, should be legal or only medically necessary second or third, trimester abortions and on the pro-life site. I mean. Most people, I think including of most people that call themselves pro-life, I think they would support exceptions for, for rape, incest, life of the mother. And so if people kind of here pro-life and think, okay, that means that like in these extreme case allow, but like, but otherwise not, they don't think of it necessarily as being like the Alabama version of it. And with pro choice thing. Okay. That means that, like you may personally object to it. But like, but you want the choice to be available with some restrictions, though, right? That you can't do it like after X date. So the minute kind of people begin to kind of see the pro-life pro-choice terms and more extreme terms. And they might shift them in the other direction. I guess, I mean, like none of this is like, I don't want it to make it seem like any of this as inconsistent or are incoherent. Right. If you kind of ask the three way question, complete rights to an abortion or any circumstances. No abortion whatsoever or somewhere between then a fairly large plurality in often. Majority. Most polls are in that somewhere between category. And so if you try to like slice up that three way divide into two ways instead, then it gets sensitive to like, question wording in kind of how people perceive what different terms mean I fact check Mary, KOMO was legally, also legally, I think pro choice, but pretty vocal about being personally pro-life. So, so it's been a so it's so it's been a while, I will say the like just to talk more about why people are so embitterment or so on some level, maybe doesn't the numbers don't make sense, the conversation around when does life begin is so interesting. And obviously the Catholic conceit of the idea is that it begins basically right away, right sperm metex. That's when life begins, then I think you have all these sort of evolving conversations of well win does the fetus. Become viable outside the womb, and is it not? Are there sort of almost sliding scales of humanness, right which is guests? This is some sort of separate living being but wind does, it's humanness equal or outweigh the mother, you know. And I think that, that's a really interesting kind of philosophical discussion. That so often topline political debate cannot handle because by necessity people need to sort of, shrink these us down to postcard or a placard in some ways, right? You purchase pro-life, right? But I think real people have these really complicated thought processes over the beginning of human life in pregnancy. And, you know, I think women in particular, it's it is a incredibly personal. You know, for a lot of people struggle noth- for everyone. But I think it's certainly something that people it's not abstract for people who have looms. So it's an interest, I think, and I think that the number sort of belie- that in their confusion. So do you guys think that's how this debate and process will play out or will it play? Yeah. Like so, like, here's an example. You know, Georgia, which, which passed one of these quote unquote, heartbeat bills, which would ban abortions after six weeks during the debate on that the Atlanta Journal constitution conducted, a poll that showed forty nine percent of people opposed the Bill and forty four percent approved the Bill. Again. This is a Bill, which effectively outlaws abortions, right? Many women don't even know they're pregnant at six. That's a that's a good. It's a good tidbit for male listeners here. Right. Yet in the same poll respondents were three to one against overturning Roe. So, in other words, the opposition to overturning Roe far outpaced, the opposition to this Bill, which affectively overturned Roe, right? Not, not literally but in effect in, in the state. So in other words, I think what you're seeing. There is is, is partisan identities. Kicking in my team is pushing this Bill, for the Bill will that be how this plays out, or is the Alabama thing as Nate was sort of think taking that fringe enough and extreme enough in terms of not including exceptions for, for rape, and incest, life of the mother that does. Does include a life of the mother exemption does not include rate, Raper, incest. The honest answer is probably some partisan push. But the, the reason why I made that note for mill listeners is part of me also wonders with people don't quite understand the mechanics of it. And I'm I'm not saying this to be condescending. But to say, you know, some of those people who said, yeah, I think this Bill is fair. But I don't wanna see Roe overturned might say a woman's menstrual cycle is generally around four weeks actually around twenty eight days precisely and so, you know, that's a that's enough of a cushion for her to realize she's pregnant, she's got a couple of weeks. She grapples with the decision. She makes it acition, right? Okay. Like that. That's that seems like a reasonable time line to me. I don't I think that there might be some. Truly some, some people within those numbers who might say that seems fair and then but then you get into all the things that people continually bring up, which is a lot of women don't know they're, they're pregnant by that point. They might not realize that this period is pregnancy, if they do know right away, when they miss their period. Well, they might not have enough money together or time together to get the abortion. So I do think that some of this seem like you might not think that hard right when, when someone's asking you that survey question. And think about the, the logistics in the mechanics of what that six weeks, actually means let's get into the wider political context of this of Asli were we're just came out of an election, that was labeled the year of the of the woman, and we're heading into an election. For the for the presidency. How do you see this kind of this debate fitting in that or not? I mean so all of the top line numbers on abortion, have remained similar for a long time. It's become much partisan over time that kind of in the seventies, there was almost no partisan split on views on abortion, obviously under Reagan under both of the bushes, the kind of moral majority religious, right, wherever you want to call it began to see abortion, as wedge issue. Like by democrat groups have begun to see a pro choice stance as a wedge issue in both sides. Use it a lot. And I'll probably be how it is again this year. I mean, like I don't think either side is lacking for wedge issues, you know. And we did see, like a lot of evangelical kind of turn out for Trump in, in big numbers, and I don't think you know. And we saw like lots of women turn out for Democrats and very big numbers. And so I don't know politically. It's kind of like if the court actually take. Steps to overturn Roe versus Wade before the next election or any point afterward. That's a giant story. Otherwise, I think it's like, you know, maybe one of the more important issues to lots of people, but you're in an in an environment, where all these issues have been activated and people already have ten or twenty or thirty reasons to vote the way they do. And it probably encourages kind of party line voting though that abortion, as a wedge issue to a lot of liberals. I don't wanna say it feels retro but I think that I'm the liberal schema. Things like income inequality. The idea of sort of radically, rehaul ING the financial institutions. And then, you know, American institutions has really risen in prominence not to say that abortion, isn't still an important issue on the left. But I do think that it's kind of lik for lack of for a blunt phrasing fallen out of vogue a little bit. Whereas on the conservative side of things, it's really maintained its its prominence. And now, I think with you've, you've had people on the left consistently saying, look, the conservative right is really, really smart about litigating. This stuff people need to vigilant and I just think it's, it's almost this Alabama Bill honestly feels like an interesting groundswell on the left because it I don't think a lot of you will you're periodically see this, right? When a by the way, we should say, the Alabama law isn't going to be enforced. Rates is not an enforceable law. And it was written that. Way as a potential challenge to Roe to go through the court system. But I do think you saw pretty interesting groundswell on the left, and I wasn't sure up until this past weekend xactly, like whether or not abortion was going to be a huge issue in the twenty twenty personally, I didn't necessarily see it going there. Now, it's still might not curse Jillian certainly hope. So I think, you know, there was an interesting shingle Macher piece in the time saying, she's really going to hurt campaign has been sort of flagging, she might use this issue as a way to get a little bit more more support. But I didn't necessarily see abortion as being a marquee twenty twenty issue, perhaps, even my part. But to me, there were so many things happening on the left besides the sort of come like old debate that we've that we've been having in this country. And there are lots of new debates that are happening that seem to be kind of the, you know, catching the magpie the populous, what's interesting is that the supreme court was one of these issues that you mentioned Claire, where it seemed to act. Activate people on the right more than people on the left, right? And I think after Gorsuch, and after cavenaugh got there. I think you start started to see some people on the left as you were saying. So it'd be like a we gotta get together on on this issue. What's ironic though? Is that that ultimately is what's behind a lot of this, right? Anti-abortion activists are looking around saying, okay, we have, we think five justices on the supreme court who are against abortion. Let's try to let's try to go after row, some of these laws are going after row in, in trying to sort of chip away. At it way, the Alabama law is going at it in a, let's upend the whole thing way. And I think, as I think you're right that the Alabama law is, is unlikely to, to succeed, but these other chipping away laws might work better. But I guess part of my part of what I would argue, maybe is that if the Alabama law is what's at the center of the debate than I do think maybe it, it. Activates Democrats more than this issue, hasn't a past as opposed to, you know, I don't think we saw these Republicans have been trying to chip away at this and successfully chipping away at abortion access for years, and it hasn't done all that much to activate democrat. I don't think that's in part, perhaps, because there is this sort of interesting as we see in the numbers conflict that people will do have you do see. So in contrast to gay marriage, where you see very, very big generational splits. You don't see that as much on, on abortion, that generally depends on how you phrase, the question millennials are, are slightly more pro abortion rights pro choice, if you wanna use that term, but it's not a large spread especially, given that millennials are more liberal in general. It might be that controlling for how liberal, you are that age that older voters who remember kind of Rover, swayed are, are more inclined to defend abortion rights, but yeah, it is. Located, you know, I think I think you see more people who split their opinions now on abortion, risque marriage. And so I think you can't just kind of lump it into, like generic kind of cultural issue, I think it has its own hassle and trajectory. And that victory is actually kind of potentially very much up in the air, giving all the threads in American politics. And by the way, you know, we can't also discount the possibility that a supreme court Justice will die retire before the next election. If you're going to have lifetime offices something I think is not a good idea. Then we need to consider the possibility that could happen coinciding with the next election. Okay. Let's leave that there and move onto the non presidential races of twenty twenty the house in the Senate. But before we do that, let me tell you that this episode is brought to you by quip just two minutes. Twice a day can help pave the way to a healthier mouth and my people often brush too hard. Some electric toothbrushes are too abrasive. 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Namely the Senate and the house. So twenty twenty Republicans will be defending twenty two seats in the Senate to the Democrats, twelve but Democrats hope flip the Senate might be more of an uphill battle than those numbers suggest Nate, what do Democrats need in order to take back the Senate? And how likely do you think it is that they'll get it if they were to win the presidency than they would need a net of three seats to get a fifty fifty Senate, the net partisan portent, because Democrats are defending some of their own seats, including Doug Jones seat in Alabama, where Doug Jones, one Alabama, because he had an opponent named ROY Moore, who was accused of preying on young girls, which even by the standards of really Republican state was a bridge too far. And even then Doug Jones, only one by point or something. And even then it was only in a really a really blew overall environment as we would see later on that year that cycle at twenty team was a good year for Democrats. So the question is, do they need three or four orthodox win the presidency than potentially five and I don't know you can definitely point to enough races, where they have a shot looking at my chart, right here that would include probably the most obvious cases are Colorado. Where Cory Gardner is probably been to pro-trump for that state on too many issues, the state's become more blue Arizona, where Mick Sally was appointed the replacement for John McCain, Kyle served an interim basis, and she lost last year to cinema. You'll probably have a vigorous democratic candidate there. So the first two they're kind of the lowest hanging fruit, non main, Mark Kelly, isn't he the Arizona, the democrat geigo running Kelly. So you have a competitive Senate primary actually in Arizona. Colorado Hickenlooper is running their plenty of Democrats coming through the woodwork in Colorado and maybe well, well Hickenlooper. Yeah. Gotta have a plan, b you know, maybe Michael Bennett with one T will run for the Senate seat for no particular reason. So main Susan Collins is approval ratings are still pretty decent depends on what poll, you look at they've taken a hit from where they were very, very strong before. But she's obviously one of the people that you think would would be among the more likely targets North Carolina. Tillis won by a narrow margin over Kay, Hagan six years ago. North Carolina has become a state that has often been kind of tease for Democrats, but sometimes as Republicans learn with Florida, for example, or Pennsylvania. Sorry penalty, not Florida. Although built beating Bill Nelson Florida. Sometimes those sees actually go your way, once in a, while, Iowa Joni arts to someone who is seen as very capable politician group of ratings were like a little bit more, mediocre than I thought intuitively based on her kind of strong national profile. So she someone who in a strong year, Democrats could be, then you get some longer shots, Georgia. Alaska, Texas Mississippi, where Cindy Hyde Smith is a very weak incumbent. So, you know, you know, yet Lindsey Graham down there in South Carolina. Okay. Now we're now. Mcconnell in Kentucky cleared. Those very unpopular among those, you know, which are you watching, or which do you feel like are going to be the most ripe for, for democratic pickup. Do you also think Colorado, our zone, are you because the environments states it's the boring answer? Also, just I we mentioned, Mark Kelly's running is likely going to run against MC Sally. He is the astronaut husband of Gabby giffords. So he's someone you know that's a family with obviously a strong profile. I think a lot of sort of they have a lot of emotional residents. I think that's a really good candidate for Democrats. It's really interesting candidate. And then yeah, I think collar, I don't I mean, I don't know who's going to run in Colorado. But I do think, you know, I don't know the contours of what kind of democrat will run. But yeah, it just seems like that's data's pretty ripe. I mean, I'll also be watching Alabama. I you know, just because I- I- profile Doug Jones last year in part to kind of talk about like. What he had to do as the first democratic Senator from Alabama and a longtime during the, the couple of years, he had until reelection to sort of win. Again think it's obviously going to be really difficult proposition. UCLA out of Republicans who are sort of, you know, just champing at the bit to to run against him. Maybe having I think, you know, in his best, like, you know, the best kind of person to have on the presidential ballot is someone who could really turn out the democratic constituency in Alabama. He saw a lot of support from black areas of the state, so, you know, maybe minority candidate or who knows maybe Joe Biden as we said, strong among black voters, maybe that'll do it. So he that's a race that I just think it's fascinating for its historical implications and just sort of the, the screwing us of Alabama Republican politics in part because that state hasn't seen a lot of challenges to the Republican hierarchy because it's such a strongly partisan. Leaning state are there other democratic held Senate seats that you think they should be worried about New Mexico's. Nope. And seat race. So those can always be a bit unpredictable potentially, you know, New Hampshire has racing. Let's put like this. Right. If you had a really good Republican environment, then all these kind of states, we have purple sits with democratic incumbents could become vulnerable. So that's like Michigan Minnesota New Hampshire, right? Yeah. Maybe New Mexico wherever tyrant, open seat. You know, I think it's the least likely scenario between having a good democratic year neutral year. And I mean look in some ways to little anti-climactic. I don't think there is enough opportunities for Democrats to win the Senate in a neutral year just by like, even though they have more opportunity to the GOP does in a neutral year. We don't have a wind at your back. You probably lose Jones's seat. And then you have to win four I you know, if you. If you win the presidency, five. Otherwise, right. If you have a good democratic it would an exercise in silver bullet points. My weekly column on last week, shameless. Plug trying to evaluate the effective both applicable environment and the strength of the candidate. If you're in a environment that was as strong as it was last year for Democrats, meaning about seven, or eight points more left of center, which there's no particular reason, if will have but could happen if you go into recession for example, or Trump gets approving Gibson to the thirties, or something right, that they probably have enough. They probably will find a way to eat out four wins ish, and then maybe can afford to lose Doug Jones. Maybe he wins. Anyway. He did win again in that blue environment. The first time but not a slam dunk. I mean, again, we saw these races can be quirky. We saw Democrats lose erase in Florida that kind of on paper, they shouldn't have lost an incumbent, no matter how strong a candidate Rick Scott was in a year is blue is twenty eight team was you're not supposed to lose that race in Florida about some of these, like see. Rated solid are right now. Let's just play hypothetical. I mean, what if okay Tennessee is an open seat liens are what if someone like Phil Bredesen is, like, the, the former democratic governor Tennessee who ran against Marsha Blackburn less last year. What if he says, I'm gonna do it again? You know he was a lot, though. The thing is gonna do it. He would have done it. A twenty two guys. John Cornyn is running in Texas could someone else besides better. Rourke turn Texas blue. What? But, but honestly, I'm having a conversation about what are the wild cards. I mean I, I wrote a Senate wildcards piece before the Senate, which which turned out, fresh precious. And so what I'm saying is, what are the what are the wildcards here? Some of its recruitment, some it some of my dropout someone die, you know. You know, but, but I don't think it's like I asked I asked the Texas turning blue question slightly physicians -cially. But given that there was some sort of historical president, maybe that's a wildcard. I don't know. I'm just I'm just sort of spit balling. You have you have opened Republican seats in Kansas, Tennessee in Wyoming of the three. Kansas is a tiny bit interesting. You did have Democrats perform well, in Kansas, last year, they win the governorship and believed to house seats, there, I've good wildcard keep going sorry, I know Montana. But a lot of these are cases where you would need both. They really blue year and really a candidate. And even then it might not be enough. Okay. Ben Sasse its primary in Nebraska, by super super conservative person of very moderate democrat runs. That's a wildcard. Okay. But I feel like if you guys are telling me that in order to even have a chance, taking the Senate Democrats. Need a twenty eighteen level political environment and Trump's approval rating to be in the thirties. Then that's a tall order right wildcards. You wonder two right now. Right. So it's not like Radic but it like barely look at if you look at generic ballot polls right now, they're not in the most high-quality polls to let them online polls, lower levels are fine to disparage, but like it's not like the robust mix you'd have later on the cycle. Democrats up like four or five points on average, having won the popular vote by eight and a half eight point six almost nine last year. So it is tamped down from where it was. And you know, would that be enough? Maybe that is actually the middle ground where like having like a really strong set of candidates would help. But I don't know. You know, one thing people talk about, like, oh, well, well Beto in Stacey Abrams. They could really help in those states. Right. Let's remember, Stacey Abrams were not people that were regarded as particularly strong candidates ahead. Time, you know, I thought bene- was, I was gonna say kind of joke, but not really because like Tevi member of congress give up there seat to run is something that's a decently qualified candidate or Stacey Abrams kind of running democratic delegation. They believe the state house in Georgia's are decent credentials on the line, but no one would have thought that they were especially strong candidate kind of prove their mettle over time. And so I don't know. I find like the, the recruitment story a little bit overdone in part, because, like for a lot of reasons. One reason being that like Claire skeptical. Okay. So we in Soedarbo points right? What chance clear, have you not read silver bullet points? What is wrong with you? Skimmed it, what chance to Steve book, actually have to win his Senate race. Right. If Steve bullet came to me, and I was being incentivized to be accurate and not to flatter him. I would probably say, I think you have the neighborhood of a twenty percent chance of winning that seat, assuming the Republican Danes is running again, if not a little bit higher. But, you know, give a one in five shot if you do that, it would be really helpful that immigrants. Probably no one else gonna win that seat. But four to five times you're gonna lose. You're gonna be Phil Bredesen's. Right. People say, well, you know, it turns out the puck, blah, maybe wasn't as good as he thought, you know, d- really want that or not. I don't know. I mean, what happens is that when you have signs of a really big wave year, then people say, screw it? I'll join the party, this is fun and chances go up. Right. And so, and so, and by the way, we are still pretty early it's may twentieth. Two thousand and nineteen the election November third, by the way. Thank God, it's the third, it's like early this year. It's like it's within a range of, like five days. It can be. I Mike everyday matters man. One more day of sandy, okay of relax -ation and enjoyment between the election and let with and this podcast. Let's god. That's on this. No. Let's end this talking about the house, which I feel like not a lot of people are talking about. Do Republicans have a chance to win back to house twenty twenty media, obviously. Much of a chance. According to prediction markets. I don't care about prediction markets. I want to know what you think Nate silver. I think they have around one in three chance of winning the house back, which is about a prediction markets think, well, Claire. Who am I to contradict prediction markets and silver, okay? By the way, we should have had an Australia segment, can, we have an Australia, absolutely this week? I if we did we could do a live show in Australia. I would not go where absolutely not. You go to Australia, you're mandated to stay there, at least two weeks, because it's such a pain in the to get there. But it's nice there. You know what I've a lot of other places. I want to go before I go to Australia in any event. Okay. So look one on the one hand on the one hand is pretty good is higher than I thought you to what do you think? We'll look one in five. Democrats contradict Nate. Okay. Well, it's like let me know seriously. Let me put it this way when I was trying to prep for this. I you know did googling and reading about Democrats chances of winning the Senate now was googling and trying to read about Republican chances of winning the house, and there's far far far less about the ladder than about the phone. So here's here's the basic argument being an incumbent doesn't matter very much anymore. It's one reason my Democrats were able to win so many seats last year, even though a lot of seats are gerrymandered, or there's a lot of partisan sorting the flip side to that is that if? If you were elected first term incumbent in a d plus eight or nine year and all of a sudden we flip back. And let's say it's a neutral year or even deep plus three year. Right. Then you're incumbency advantage might not be enough to, to overcome that. And Democrats did kind of explore in part because they raise so much money. They went pretty deep in exploring the landscape, and they kind of won most seats, they could have won this probably some low hanging fruit in Texas. Yeah. If you wanna go Grenier Lee, then it's probably early to do that. I think immigrants would say, boy, we have four or five seats in Texas, that we wish we contested more in twenty eight teen that we're closer than we thought they would be. There are a bunch of cases where state courts have ruled GOP, gerrymandered maps, illegal, and so you'll see supreme court rule on those, there's some upside Democrats in states, like in Michigan. If those maps are thrown out, potentially, but, you know, you also had last time around, like a lot of GOP incumbents that were. Kind of sleeping and napping. Really, I feel like that way heads up if they've been reading fivethirtyeight would have, but they were listening to, but your, your general overall point is that Democrats who want to a forty seats in two thousand eighteen went pretty deep into Republican territory. And now they have to defend that now they have to defend it in environment that probably won't be as good Claire. When speaking to, to kind of what the Republican strategy would be to try to take back the house. The NRC chairman Representative Tom Emmer of Minnesota said, quote freedom or socialism, that's the choice in twenty twenty deflect. That'll be an affective kind of messaging strategy in some ways, if like Sanders gets the nomination. Yes. I you know because that'll be kind of on the brain. I'm guessing that they're going to try to use a ac- as sort of. That kind of boogeyman, you know, woman buggy woman. Good for name for like a riot girl band. Work. I mean, you know, it's the whole like it's a free country kind of thing could be. Expression. No country. Can I make an observation I don't know five and thinking this lately? But like I used to use that phrase all the time when I was younger like that would be like a retort that you'd have some it's a free country. Can I sit here? It's a free country. Can I use your pencil? It's a free country. It sounds noxious. I know. But like we set it all the time, when we were kids is still a thing I think, so. I think people say. I think I think I have just matured and we're not so sort of passive aggressive anymore. Being passive aggressive this morning. You are you are. That's the worse I really wasn't also cut. This can I can we ask your audience? How how I'll read, okay, I would be curious if I'm do I come off, as passive aggressive on the show. I would not want that people are nice and aren't going to say that I would never want want want you guys to come. Aggressive. I think just read ericans, aggressive, aggressive. Let me go back to my actually answer. Which is I kind of think it depends on who is the democratic nominee. Because it could be like kind of effective. Like, especially if some of these, let's not forget that some of the candidates have said, I want to change the electoral college, like I want, I want to rejig all these things, a lot of institutional change that I think a lot of Americans are kind of uncomfortable with. I I'm not sure if the AFC bogeyman bogey woman will be sort of stale by then remains to be seen, but, you know, Republican didn't really get to trot out there. Bernie Sanders, socialist attack in twenty sixteen. So maybe it does work. Let's also remember, a lot of Democrats gained ground in twenty eighteen were not in presidential swing states. So they want a lot of seats in California in New York, New jersey when a couple of in Texas and, and could win more. None of those are except maybe Texas likely to be competitive at the presidential level, and so like, so you like a little bit of an incongruity between like where my canopy strong in terms of the electoral college versus versus where, where they help Democrats running for the house. Let's let's end just on that we only have a couple of minutes here. How much does the Democrats ability to win the Senate or the Republicans ability to win the house? Depend on who nominate who Democrats nominate in twenty twenty is there a lot of variation. In there, or is it like kind of a marginal fact either way? I mean that kind of gets into much broader question of like how much the presidential candidate manner, but a lot, right? Because two straight ticket voting has increased as much less split ticket voting. Wouldn't you expect it to have a big affect Claire said? Yes, but yeah. I mean this gets into the word mica electability. I need like I know. But it's also, you know, maybe he would actually say, okay. I don't like I think Bernie Sanders is too far left, but I'll make a distinction here and vote for my moderate seeming. First term congresswoman, I don't know the March affect between, like, who would vote for Biden, but not for Bernie or vice versa. That's already somewhat marginal. Right. So it's kind of like comparing March affect another against. What if that became the presidential lick a high level argument of a presidential candidate, bring the Senate with me? Yeah, like what if you just like if you were trying to I don't know when over, like second ballot people or something that, where you were just that's like a that's like a valid? No, there was I remember some of that being used against Trump and twenty sixteen to that. Oh, he would decimate us stand by the Republicans. Okay. Let's leave it there. Thank you Nate. Thank you, Mike. Thank you. Claire. Thanks, mike. Good job at the hosting shenanigans. 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Interview With Rudy Giuliani & 2020 Election Special (Ep 1377)

The Dan Bongino Show

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Interview With Rudy Giuliani & 2020 Election Special (Ep 1377)

"Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host Dan Bongino this the most explosive interview show we've done yet. I am not kidding I'm not overselling. So, we've had three guests on the show. It's the first time we've done that I've got former mayor, Rudy Giuliani about one hundred thing I've got a Robert Haley from the Trafalgar polling group and Steve Cortez from the trump campaign folks just a quick preview what you're going to see on this show. I. Robert Haley just blew my mind some of the stuff he's talking about about state polling national polling dope. Let me just leave it at this. Don't believe anything you've heard about this election until you've listened to Mr Haley I from this Trafalgar Group that nailed the polling in two, thousand, sixteen and everybody else screwed it up second we have former mayor Rudy Giuliani He brings up something about the Chinese government and what they were really up to with the Biden's that I have to tell you I had to stop and ask him twice Paula Getting I. had to do I. Say I missed it. It's stunning. Really, buying in hunter blackmail material all you gotta listen to that and finally Steve Cortez closing out the game out of the bullpen from the trump campaign. Absolutely hammering in about a fifteen minute interview. We did exactly what the trump campaign is going to do why they're going to win and how the get out the vote is going I'm really proud of this show ladies and gentlemen we have some sponsors who paid for they're happy to be here. Thank you for joining US really appreciate it. 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Ended in a cataclysmic disaster when Donald trump wants surprising anyone everyone everyone Robert Hailey. Thank you very much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Let me start off asking this question since you seem to have your head on your shoulders when it comes to polling. Is this hidden trump phenomenon. The quote mainstream pollsters out there seem to tell US president trump's GONNA lose this thing by double digits. Thanks Don. Yes. It is absolutely for real. It. It's hard for me to believe that they could go through two thousand sixteen and have learned nothing. But they got you know they huddled up together and decided, oh, they didn't wait properly for education or some nonsense. They cannot acknowledge that there are people who don't share their beliefs it. It's frustrating but it's entertaining to because the idea that every single person that you talked to on the phone is telling the truth. And there's just Nothing could be further from reality people were being shamed for their opinions before being dachshund were being attacked I mean of course, there's this phenomenon. So it's silly to me that they don't acknowledge it and it's greater this time than it was before, and that's why you see a lot of polling groups that are now using my neighbor question. Yes, it was us it brought the. Neighbor question of National Prominence Bill Neighbor Question Thousand Sixteen. You will see our nine but people are using it and that showing a great difference between those who say they are you know the number four Biden and those who say the neighbors of trump because that's part of identifying the hidden vote and it is clearly there and they just they don't want admit it's there. So. This neighbor question was that the difference in two thousand sixteen why the Trafalgar Group you guys nailed it over there and were were your predictions were pretty much on target and everyone else was so off. Was it because of this? What is your neighbor? GonNa do question was at the differentiator between you and other polling outfits which were way off. It was part of it. There's kind of four factor. Really. One we we we when we were doing the primaries we noticed that our digital collection or automated collection methods were showing how our numbers for trump. So we decided to do a little test and we watched it and sure enough trump was more aligned with the ones that were more enormous digital than they were with the law calls. So we Kinda came up with a theory that the Socialists our ability effect was in play in twenty sixteen. So we we added the neighbor question, but we also noticed there are a lot of people who are voting who hadn't voted in a very long time. We're here anecdotes about people who can't use the machines and stuff like that. So we we did a lot of research and the summer and found we came up with a list of factors that might lead somebody to participate in the election that hadn't participated quite some time. Those were Kennedy's low propensity voters. So we added those into our sample. and. Then add to that the fact that we believe in short questionnaire. I think it's unrealistic in this modern world that you're GONNA call somebody and ask them twenty thirty questions on Thursday night at seven o'clock I mean. Can answer that you either got to care too much on the left too much on the right are you just bored and none of those representatives have average people? So of course, they're very short less than three minutes to answer the poll and we also believe in large sample size. You'll never see a sample of state with under a thousand people and so all those factors together help us minimize the social desire ability effect, but we can't eliminated but the minimum of it is why I think we're so different from everyone else this year. We're talking to Robert Haley from the Trafalgar Group again. One of the few polling outlets that was on target in two thousand sixteen when everyone else blew it. Robert. I'd like your opinion on something Iran in two, thousand, sixteen I ran for Congress in Florida district nineteen. So I'm pretty intimately familiar with the politics of Florida. And I noticed an interesting phenomenon when you're a candidate for office Republican primary, which I was you get a walk list to go knock on doors and of course, the walk list of Dourson knock on his only Republicans, it's a Republican primary you're going to waste your time knocking on Democrat doors again, vote Republican primary and I saw this weird thing I beyond the walk listen I'd be down these blocks in Cape Coral and Naples and elsewhere And I I pass these homes that had trump signs in the lawn and yet they weren't on my list. So I called my campaign manager is happening every day. I'd say Maria you miss this person on the list she said no, I, didn't. Date is accurate. They don't vote. So I would go in and knock on the doors once in a while we had some time to kill and I'd say Sir Ma'am noticed you had a trump signed, but you don't show up as. A voter on our list here and they'd say, yeah, I haven't voted in years or decades. This is my first time. Basically I love Donald trump or some some derivative of that, and it led me to believe before the election that he was going to win. Florida huge because all these people who had voted while we're trump. Did that play into some of the polling Miss Absence when he's sixteen. Absolutely and that's what I was talking about low propensity voters and you know it is it is literally one of those things were you know we've isolated? We've been doing studies on these in different states even this year and you know we've looked at and we've got a group between. Nineteen, Ninety, two and twenty sixteen registered At any point up until the September deadline for the twenty ten. General election so that you know the kind of the tea party wave and we look at people who just voted once. And quite often that wants is twenty sixteen and we think there are a lot of were coming back. So we built that in our models in twenty six. When we did it because we saw voting in the primary and I mean literally, they were just voters who hadn't voted in forever. So yes, it's absolutely playing. Then it will play again this year you're GonNa see people that you just didn't even know were still out there and it could possibly participate and not being called or the doors are being knocked and not getting mail and they're just low information and low propensity voters but they do like energy by trump and they're coming out to vote for him. Yeah I saw that throughout the entire election cycle and I still have my podcast from the night before the election in two thousand sixteen and I said on the show I don't like predictions but I said he's GonNa Win Florida. There's no way I mean I'm on the ground I saw this kind of brewing. Regarding these polls, we're seeing now some of them which are all over the place that are not from your group that Trafalgar Group way like I said, you are one of the few people I follow religiously on social media because you you're just a very sober analyst of what's going on and I think you're going to be spot on twenty, twenty two. In Two thousand twenty as well. But are some of these polls out there from some of these again, air quotes, mainstream outlets are they dramatically oversampling? Democrats because some of the sampling models for Democrats don't seem to marry up to what the turnout models in two, thousand, sixteen were and. I why would you do that I mean if you're a polling company selling your product? No sensible business reason to embarrass yourself. Is there a reason they're not? They make could be oversampling Democrats are they anticipating some huge blue wave? What am I missing here. Well. Let's start with simple question. How many polling firms for major national outlets got fired after two thousand sixteen. We spend all day and you're not gonNA find a name. So there's not really a punishment for getting it wrong. And especially when you start to why are they wrong? Are they wrong? Because they are trying to create an are they agenda driven? And purpose was to get the election right but was to convince people of a certain outcome and help move the electorate. So you have to figure out what their motivation is. Yes. They're absolutely under sampling a certain people and their argument is well, twenty twenty is gonNa look a lot more like twenty, eighteen, twenty, sixteen well, all five Soviet. But even if you do that and that's what we do we take some of the extremes from twenty eighteen still build them into the model and anticipate probably it turned out they didn't even happen. That is more beneficial. The Democrats in Biden just to be extra careful that we're not giving. We're not giving them a fair shake. But if you go is what the numbers say then you can change turn up model to say what you want them to say. It especially if you're not worried about being accurate I, mean we put exactly what our percentages are in every one of our polls the geographic ethnic age, and all that we we can demonstrate that we're we're balancing them correctly but I think there's a lot of that going on, but it's about trying to drive an agenda. Much, more than it is trying to be accurate because there's no punishment for failure. That's that's that's a really terrific point that I hadn't considered. Right nobody has been fired now listen I'm a partisan you're not. You're upholster again I'm an opinion guy and pretend to be a journalist. But what are the things that does worry me being an non-objective subjective conservative here is roughly a three million or so Obama voters did not show up to vote for Hillary and twenty sixteen obviously Obama. Was Exciting candidate for the Democrats not for me but for the Democrats, Hillary didn't generate that kind of excitement. Is there a possibility that these three million or millions plus of Obama voters show up again and Causa real turnout? For. Trump. It's possible that the a lot of Obama voters turn out but let's remember who makes up the Obama coalition. Obama was a rejection of an establishment like it or not even coming from the Republican perspective. There was a rejection of. The. Republican running Congress and having having the President for eight years in a row so. We've seen lots of people who are. certainly Clinton Bush. And then Obama and trump voters I mean there are people who move back and forth between there are a lot of similarities between Obama and trump boats especially in the battleground state, you hear it all the time people who just wanted something other I mean they wanted to kind of throw a monkey wrench the system they thought Obama was that monkey wrench they all saw trump was that monkey wrench made it necessarily get what they wanted out of Obama but they certainly didn't think Hillary was a solution. Interesting read something similar in the Wall Street Journal op-ed the other day. Yeah that's fascinating point. We're GONNA. Take a quick break. We're talking to Robert Gailey from the Trafalgar Group. An excellent excellent polling outfit will be right back on the other side of this break. All right thanks for your patience. Here we have another sponsor for the show today a friends at express VPN sponsor of the show. 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Welcoming back Robert Haley from the Trafalgar Group time polling, the election and twenty twenty coming up very shortly folks I'm Robert if you don't mind, I'd like to go state by state and I'm going to do all fifty states obviously. But just a few that are areas of concern for me and others who listen to my show and just Kinda. Give a general trend what you think how it could turn out. Pennsylvania obviously a critical state to the initial election twenty sixteen to President trump. Estate notably called Fool's gold by Republicans for years you've thought they could win it. And never worked out. We hadn't wanted I think since George H W Bush No Republican in a long time president trump did he wanted by a sliver? How does Pennsylvania look now because again, other polling outlets are predicting a up to double digit loss for President Trump in Pennsylvania, which doesn't sound right from my operatives that I'm hearing on the ground. Yes absolutely I think Pennsylvania is a state that trump can win now I I will I will give the same caveat that I've given numerous media outlets Pennsylvania, and Mama on is state that is most likely that if trump wins, he will still lose voter fraud. It is famous for voter fraud I always get along hate on the from Philly on twitter I can't figure out more because I'm a cowboys fan or more because talk about voter fraud but either way they don't like very much. But the fact is It has a history of it and especially I said it in the National Review article that came out Monday morning and sure enough by Monday afternoon meals a court ruling the backed up what I said I? Think that It's a state that he definitely can't win expecting to win it does he win it by enough that he can clips voter fraud I don't know. Yeah That's a good I've heard about that before as well. I, haven't run in Maryland as well. We always had a big problem with fraud and Baltimore City and other as well even in an election where I ran for Congress. Moving on. So Wisconsin I again, a number of friends on the ground in Wisconsin said, you can't drive through the swing counties anywhere Wisconsin without being overwhelmed by Donald. Trump sides. Listening I get it. Signs are in a pure indicator of WHO's going to win or lose Beta will roar cat signs as well in Texas. But he over performed. He did very well even though he lost. Wisconsin how does that look for you? Right now, another state president trump won but again, mainstream pollsters are saying he's behind by a few points then. We have We have a sliver. And the. And again, one of the things that we say we can minimize social our ability. Exists even in our polls. My Gut is that he's probably going to. It's going to be very close but he has an excellent chance of winning Wisconsin I will tell you with a believe the solid trump voter I think there's a lot of them out there and so my math is usually for every sign. You see there's probably three more voters that don't live in that House that if we're trump the don't have a sign in their yard. Yeah well, we're talking about some swing states here. Again, I don't want to go through all of them generous with your time already but the one, St that worries me the most given the margin president trump won by his Michigan another state Republicans have had trouble with for eons president trump pulled out surprisingly on election night but one by less than a point. Michigan seems to worry me that's the one st where people are on the ground listeners elsewhere telling me they think we could be in a little bit of trouble in Michigan. Now, he can lose Michigan still win if he holds the rest of his, but how are you feeling about Michigan? What are your numbers look like over there? I feel a little better but Michigan than I do, Wisconsin. One I think the strength of. It is a very power I mean when you look around the other states. In Michigan, trump has a very strong US Senate candidate who I think is going to probably even out ice trump in the votes but. But John James puts forth a narrative that is hard to define trump and the way he's been defined with someone like John James the next ballot next race on the ballot and I think John James Lifting lifting him up also think that that the best thing trump has going in Michigan besides John James Is Gretchen. Whitmer. she is universally disliked and especially because of her crazy code rules mean stuff that didn't even make sense and we see a lot of pushback on that we do see a good deal of hidden vote Michigan but I expect that Michigan State. We have him up in Michigan I think he will win Mitch. Put me at ease. They're a little bit see. That's why we have experts like you on the show and I'm not a pollster, which is why we need you. Great Point about John. James, though he is a fantastic candidate I believe he'll be presidential timber one day. We'll see a lot of him if he pulls this out over Peters, that'll be a huge huge win. Let's do one more swing state I. Feel Pretty Good About Ohio. So we'll leave that out but my home state of Florida again. I A single subject designs in my personal opinion don't mean much I'd rather hear yours but. Down, here in Florida I live in a swing county and Martin County, which is pretty much fifty fifty. We've been represented by Democrats and Republicans in Congress here. I see trump signs everywhere. I've seen trump rallies trump sine waves. My Wife's truncates right? Trump parades trump sky parades I mean I'm not kidding it's everywhere I have seen nothing for by there's a guy down my block bind son as fence. That's it. It's only Biden inside I've seen anywhere and I'm going to swing county I feel just pretty good about it opinion wise. What are your numbers telling you about Florida the greatest swing state of all. We have thought for weeks that Florida is a trump victory. I think trump will exceed what he did in twenty sixteen. I think he will exceed what governor scientists did I think it is going to be a significant win. There and it's going to be a little less hotly contested. The people realize the the the enthusiasm we see in the Hispanic community, the especially the Cuban, and Venezuelan community. I mean I've seen some of this this the graffiti with like comparing Biden. And Harris Castro and two of Shahbaz into Maduro. It's just amazing. They're so much energy. And you know when you look at a state is very dependent on tourism they've enjoyed the trump economy when the tourism was was going in and far didn't get hit like a lot of the other states did with Kobe as far as shutdown in their economy trump has brought new energy to the space program is consolidated a greater portion of the Jewish vote than he republican ever has all the pointing the right direction for trump in Florida. I think he's even doing well with the northern Florida Orlando Area Puerto Rican vote, which is substantial. Again talking to a bunch of Friends of mine who live up there. Let's talk about some states that could be potential flips in both direction both directions. Excuse me is there any possibility of trump picking up states? He lost notably New Mexico New Hampshire and then specifically main to and Nebraska to where they break up the electoral vote. It within the state any possibility of trump winning those areas you might have lost in the last election. While, believe he did win main second end Nebraska. That backwards. Yeah. I'm sorry my fault I had that those were more for Biden. I'm sorry New Mexico, and New Hampshire for trump forgive me by fault any possibility in flipping those No word. I would tell you the two places I think trump has the best chance to surprise people and we're going to be pulling these and the next ten days. Are Nevada and. MINNESOTA. I think those two states Nevada especially, Nevada really was a state. It was very tight last time any comes down. There's a lot of support with the Hospital Hospitality Union for Hillary but you know those hospitality, Union folks, they're good hardworking folks and man they really liked that trump economy and they don't like shutdowns because they don't get to go to work when their shutdowns and You Know Biden threatening more shutdowns where we kind of sends a chill down some of them kind of bucking some of that union leadership and then add to the unprecedented number. Trump seems to be getting across the board with Hispanics I. Keep Your Eyes on Nevada and Minnesota is ground. Zero for all this glamour being chaos and. I feel like there's there's GonNa be a big loud voice of people from across. MINNESOTA. Including Saint Paul saying we are not Minneapolis. Yeah I have a friend of mine. A former major league baseball player lives in Minnesota. Now said that there's again trump trump energy everywhere over there. On the inverse there any possibility of Biden flipping trump won like we said. Main to. What about Arizona? Any possibility of Biden maybe making a play there. Yeah I definitely going to work hard and Arizona Arizona's going to be tight North Carolina's GonNa be tight Wisconsin's GonNa tight those are all what I think. Biden has an excellent chance there's I think he has excellent chance of you know a along with Not He's coordinate with them but along with some people who WanNa steal some votes in Pennsylvania I think that represents a possibility. Yeah. Those are states that I think could go the other way but. I really don't see much of that happening. I think that the probably Wisconsin is the one I'm probably most worried about but I'd put North Carolina's a close second. Interesting. My father. I didn't get to north. Carolina. Couple more quick questions for you've been generous time talking to Robert Kelly from the Trafalgar polling group a fantastic group follow these guys on social media. They're really really terrific. Any chance some of these Senate candidates that are struggling and some of these polls benefit from trump turn out. I mean, you have tillerson North Carolina Ernst in Iowa Cory Gardner who appears to be in a significant amount of trouble in Colorado any chance they get a bump from trump or is it the other way around like you said? Michigan. where Trump may get a bump from John James. Well, I I think that I think would james and trump are mutually beneficial in Michigan for each other. But I think that what we've seen in the past is trump's gonNA have some coattails. This is a guy who has coattails and I really. I expect that we're going to see a little bit of a trump wave and it could be as much as four or five. percent that we see jump we look at kind of what that way was four years ago. These polls are tighter than they were for years ago even with the mainstream if you look at RSVP. And that's really the only average you ought to be looking at anything else is has an agenda but I think if you look at those, you'll see their tighter now. Waves, it could be four five points and you know if it's you know four, five, six points, you're gonNA start seeing things like Colorado getting competitive a competitive enough and cory. Gardner to get there you're gonNA see Mick Sally be of to get there. You'RE GONNA see Tillis getting their easily. You're going to see in a note for earth I mean it's really possible and that Minnesota Senate race I think you could see Magic Bayer to. If I if that way, this big is I think it really could be yeah, that would be huge. That's obviously a six-year seat to big trouble for the Democrats trying to get a majority back in the Senate just a couple more questions for you. The question I get most of all when I told people I was going to have you on the show. They were very excited and I got a couple of emails and social media requests for this one, I get this all the time. Is there a possibility president trump sets a record for republican with the black vote anywhere from say ten to fifteen maybe even higher percent of the black vote which would be historic at least in modern times. Well. Let me address this as I did Pennsylvania. Okay. Yes I think he got a lot of like vote last time. But. If you're relying on the mainstream media and their exit polls to determine which black voters voted for him, what numbers are, let's let's think about this a second. If, you're not gonNa tell the truth on the phone. When you're confronted with some kid with a laptop or a an APP patter clipboard you're going to tell the truth to them is like but was understated last time he will do it least at least fifty percent real if not higher. Wow we see that across the board in these battleground states right now we seem as high as twenty and some of them. But will you ever know? Because if you depend on the mainstream media and they're flawed exit polls, the same exit polls that said Hillary was going to win and had them dancing in the control rooms at six o'clock and before they started crying at about nine o'clock then you're never gonNA. Know it. So yes, going to extremely well, will you know it will not if you depend on exit That's that's a wonderful point. I was on the air with a different outlet on election night and you're right by six or seven pm they were celebrate they were they were cracking crystal. President Clinton. At two o'clock and. It was over they call Pennsylvania. Yeah. It was hilarious. You're right. It. So obvious. Now. We're agreeing with each other over Joe is just so obvious that people are lying. Exit polls wouldn't be wrong if everybody was telling the truth why they cannot accept it I, do not understand. Yeah, that's a great point if you're not willing to tell someone on the phone because of. Social Stigma supporting trump you certainly not gonna tell anyone in person with a with an IPAD. That's a great point. A last question. I'll let you go again we're talking to Robert Haley from the Trafalgar Group again can't say in strong enough terms can't recommend. Them on social media. Please check them out Robert as well as the Trafalgar Group. They're terrific. So I'm following the early numbers. This show is being recorded air of about a week a week and a half before the election. And I'm noticing that the Democrats typically well in early voting Republicans many states tend to show up on game day with corona virus who knows where that's going to go but they typically need a really big lead the Democrats in early voting going into. Election Day to win. A quick example I've been following as North Carolina state you brought up before where Hillary was ahead in early voting roughly fifteen or sixteen points and still lost the. State. Now Joe. Biden's ahead now by fourteen points two points less than Hillary. So are the Democrats missing their early voting targets that is a good sign for Republicans. Well I think. The comparison with two thousand, sixteen is strong one and consider that they're having even more turn out this time. So they really ought to be running these margins up, but they're not and I. You know the only thing. So yes, I think the early voting is not working the way that the Democrats would want it to work but I think that we need to be very wary or something else. Whenever one party has a lot to gain by nobody showing up on election day. It can be a very scary a few days. And that ethic is my greatest worry for the strength of this entire democracy of Shenanigans that will happen exaggerations of what's going on corona virus leading up to the election You know possible fear of retribution for those who vote in the polls, but they would be every incentive if they wanted to play dirty to try to affect turnout. Especially without they had an advantage if very few people voted on. Election Day. So you're saying that. You really caught my attention. You're saying it may. Garner a sense of desperation with the the side that's not hitting their numbers is that what you're going with? Agree. Having run myself. Imagine that yeah. Right. I mean if Democrats think, Hey, we don't even have the advantage. We did last time this time. Election Day voting is GonNa you know it's going to do as an. I mean. Who knows I mean? It worries me you start thinking about Antifa and and all kinds of shenanigans and you know. For you know what? We got a few polling places that were burned down Bob and all that kind of stuff leading up the day before and people get nervous. And I, think I think that's the way really bad things happen for this country is if everybody can get a fair shot vote. And absolutely guards what side you're on you ought to be for having their shop no amen to that. I'm in full agreement there voter suppression is. Immoral unethical not the hallmark of a of a constitutional republic like ours I'd rather lose than cheat. There's. I agree with you a hundred percent. Robert. You've been incredibly generous with your time. Thank you very much Again, you did not disappoint one bit I watched you on the Sean Hannity show the other day you were spectacular and you did not disappoint. Thank you so much. We appreciate your time. A big fattier of yours for a long time and it's an honor to be here takes Rub. 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USA check him out. Now to my my interview with former Mayor Rudy Giuliani Ladies and gentlemen this one. This one gets a little emotional at times. I really can't believe what? Biden did to his family and what the Chinese were really up to pay very close attention to interview with former mayor Rudy Giuliani check this out. I'm pleased to welcome back to the show former mayor of New York, city and lawyer to the President Rudy Giuliani mayor. Thank you so much for joining us. Again, your first episode one of our if not the most watched interview, we've ever done on the show so we appreciate you coming back. Thank you very much. Thank you so much then. You're. You've been you've been nothing less than heroic though Gosh. Thank you. Well, likewise, you exposing this disastrous information on the Biden crime family it's just been incredible. The man appears to be a national security threat right now running for President Mr. Mayor. I've been following this story on my show. You have been at the forefront of getting this information out there. We got some devastating new revelations in one of the ugliest scandals I've seen in a long time about. It's disturbing to even talk about potential inappropriate behavior with children on hundred. Biden. Computer I have not seen these photos you have you went to the police how bad is this stuff? I've got to be careful obviously how I describe it. It does involve minors. Sure. I let me read to you the way he hunter Biden describes. Because it will give you both sides of it and Then and then the problem. He wrote a wrote in September Twenty Third Twenty Eighteen To his father. He wrote the phone. She she meeting his sister-in-law had had a relationship lived in our home. She she told my therapist. That, I was sexually inappropriate with. Fourteen year old girl. When she says that I facetime naked with her And the reason I can't have her out to see me is because I'll walk around. Smoking crack telling Tom Girls on facetime. When she was pressed She said that I never said anything like that. But the bottom line is that I create an cause, a very unsafe environment for the kids. So. You have two versions right have. You have the therapist and the girl apparently saying. That he says time naked with her. And that he walked around naked in front of her smoking crack. Quoting to him when she was pressed. You don't know but he does admit that he created to his father a very unsafe environment for the kids. That's enough. And unsafe environment for the kids would require mandatory reporting. If I was a mandatory reporter as you were when you were police officer I was when I was the mayor US attorney. But it's worse than that. Really. There are three or four other texts. From family members about how dangerous the environment is for the kids. And then there are a whole group of photographs. It's very hard to describe. Let. Me about the adult ones, I. The adults photographs are. Pornography. Him involved in it. a lot of shots at him. Admiring his private parts. A lot of shots at him smoking crack Kinda like Weiner. Water Him Smoking crack. A lot of him smoking crack and having sex with one or two women. A kind of fetish thing that he does. So these are all over the computer. Also all over the computer are pictures. Of. Fourteen or fifteen year old girls. In. Seductive. Poses of different kinds. Some a normal some quite normal some are marginal and some are quite clear. And what is very clear So when we came across that Bernie Kerik and I will examine it, we've been over the text messages. I. I found this maybe three four days ago this text message about. Where he was walking around naked and she says no but. Unsafe environment and that's what motivated me to go and take a good look at the pictures. And I was shocked when I saw him. So a this is not my area of expertise in many ways. It's not even Burns, right? So we hold to very very, highly skilled former New York City detectives who did. Child. Endangerment. Cases. As a career. And I showed it to them and I said what am I obligations you? What do I have to do? And they said, well, actually since there's been given to the FBI. You don't have to do anything. But since the FBI has had it for almost a year. And from every other aspect of the case there seems to have been no action taken. ISSUE PROBABLY BE SAFE and reported to the local police. Close to Oakland places in Delaware, he owns delve, right. We thought the heck with it. You Know Bernie and I. Don't get afraid to. Right right. So I called the Delaware. Please I probably. Made him faint and I told them who I was and I told him I wanted to come and deliver. What I consider to be. The material that I had an obligation to deliver to them, and they had an obligation to investigate. So we went down there on. Monday morning. We brought with us. The illustration that we thought. Kind of laid this out we also brought the entire is if they wanted. And we showed it to them did along presentation they examined it. They asked for the hard drive. Service. And then. Basically assured us that they were going to know. It an investigator. and. Then we've learned the day later they sent it up to the AG of Delaware who's a politically elected official Democrat and ally of Senator. Biden's. And then she punted. To the FBI. So, think about that, right? Yeah. It made a circle. Pen with the FBI's ten months. Taking, no action. and. They send it back to the FBI but did have. Early. Yesterday was a week from the FBI. That the emails that we presented. The ones that Chris Wallace accused me of being unreliable. I'm not happy about that. He shouldn't be right you the I found to be accurate. Valid. Connected to an ongoing money laundering case that they have. Going on. And I have some knowledge of that. And then. The money laundering, it's. There are sized cases here. that. If I were US attorney I have this indictment. Serving the testimony works out the same way as. As the text messages and emails probably the indictment of Moss. And they're very serious cases. There we know some of them mean we know about. Ukraine. And we know that Hunter Biden. was paid the total mouth is. In excess of ten million dollars in Ukraine including some money wandered payments that haven't been counted I have the proof of that. I think I showed that once the The documents that goes from Ukraine. The money goes from Ukraine to. I feel Cyprus disguised as loans to fishing companies then it ends up. In, the Hunter Biden. John John Kerry Stepson Company. So. We get about ten to fourteen million dollars from Ukraine that comes to them. For no apparent reason because we now find out that hundred never showed up in Ukraine. So now we have to describe as a no show job. A no show job needs to be paid for something else. You can assume what that something else. Since Joe Biden. Acted. To ask the prosecutor dismissed. But remember, the prosecutor was not just investigating hundred. Prosecutor was investigating. A very. Dangerous. Organized Criminal Ukrainian Oligarch named My Cola. So ask. who had stolen five billion dollars and was an exile. He, he was hundred employees. He. was running Barisno correct Mr. Mayor. From. Yes from afar now now air. They also charisma didn't just this isn't just about one hundred by also Mr Mary covered on my show the other day they had also hired other Democrat can people politically connected Democrats you know David Archer connected to John. Kerry. The lighter guy? Who was John Kerry result chief-of-staff these. Guys knew what they were doing when they were hiring politically connected Democrats like Biden hundred. and. They also knew something that the. American media covers up and chose for. Sale. Joe has been for sale since she was a cheap little senator in Delaware and you could get them for thousand oaks I mean it was notorious Joe's brother James. was probably the most unethical in Washington constantly getting Biden in trouble. and. Buying would always get away with it by saying I don't know anything about my family's business. Figuring, you could say that I mean take corleones at once. And the other criminal guests to say twice. Say. Three times I. Don't know my family's business. And your family's businesses to shake people down for money. But I'm GonNa, put your jail. But. Said centered about ten John's. But because he's Joe Biden, it was left alone. So we have we have the Ukraine. And we have five witnesses sitting in the Ukraine that are ready to get on a plane and come here and testify under oath. That this was a bribe to Joe Biden? Not Having to do with hunter at all hunter was the Bagman. Hunter was the conduit. To make to hide the payment to to to to job. So, then the second one we have is Iraq. In Iraqis is appointed in center. Negotiate a status of Forces Agreement so that we're allowed to keep troops there. He fails miserably and doing. which leads to the death of a substantial number of people because our troops aren't there. Including people on the Who I and many other people represent. These are Iranian dissidents. Who sided with the United States and were killed that period time when we'd have protection for him because Joe Biden failed. But once again. Joe Biden failed like he did the Ukraine but the Biden family did really well his brother James. Who has little experience in housing as Hunter as an energy Becomes. Part of a one point five billion dollar housing redevelopment contract in Iraq. Just at a time that he becomes pointman. Now looks like he could have pulled out. Big money on million. Got One third of one point five, billion. It's hard to tell who the hidden partners were but he got a lot of money. And that money went to him not because he knows a damn thing about housing. went to him to pay off job. And once again, Joe Fails the United States. Now now. Now. We moved to Russia. where he gets three point, five, million from the archer does from the wife of the mayor of Moscow. Who is a very, very close associated Vladimir. Putin. It's really when you count the extra money that comes in which we've now found getting closer to four million dollars. But it looks to be the first payment. In a money laundering scheme that they're trying to set up. With rush. That has to be further investigated. Real explanation for this four million dollars from Russia. Now, that one got me really mad Dan because I spent two and a half years in the president spent four years defending against. Russian collusion. False. Charge Nair, the the hoax. Way To get anything from Russia. And thank God for at least four million dollars from Vladimir Putin. Yeah everything. They accused the trump team they did themselves. And there's no relation for this money so I can just no one for money. Going to the son. Of the vice president who can't do anything. I figure the explanation is, is to influence the vice president. And finally, we get the to China transactions. The one one that everyone knows about been talked about a lot. He flies his son to China. On Air Force to. He goes off to negotiate for the US to get them out of the island's dispute which of them. And to have them lower towers. We don't know what hundred eight days. Joe Fails, again. They don't go get out of the islands. In fact, in short period of time, they put more troops there. They don't lower the towers they raise the terrorist. The newspapers at time. For criticized Joe being such a failure and point out that the combination of Kerry. And Biden is much easier on China. Than Hillary. Clinton was. What the newspapers of the time don't know. Is that a private equity fund. That is owned by. Biden son? Kerry's Stepson. And why did he bolger's nephew? Got A, commitment of one point, five, billion dollars from China. The first one, billion tame was eight days of Joe taking him over. On Air Force to. Now, that's a partnership. With the government of China because the Bank of China is owned by China. So. So we have a rather lengthy period of time. A sitting vice president the Goshi hitting with China. Whose son. Was a partner with the Chinese Communist government. and. No one told us that. Obama never told us no one's filled. With American intelligence made a record of it if they didn't. They should all be. They can't be fighting there should be prosecuted really I mean this is What stunning Mr Mayor I could not have been. Made through the Secret Service selection process to protect the president with this kind of stuff on not even close I would probably be under investigation. And yet we have a man running for the white. House and his son and his family seemed to be involved in according to one of their business partners. This man who emerges week Lieutenant Buber, Lynn, Bob Alinsky Obolensky, free me from saint name wrong who was a business partner this who is he's not anonymous given his name who's now saying that Chinese understood Mr Mayor from the start this was not a return I operates and they are looking for a monetary return. It wasn't Belichick influence operation. But you know I have a different word for it, they would bribing. They were buying day. Okay. Then, Joe goes out of office. And he's rumored to be the leading Democratic candidate for president. And the Chinese who Are. They were making an investment. They were making an investment in buying Joe. They figured they could really jam them up. So the Biden family goes into a partnership. Three members of the by family. Joe James Sarah that brother, sister, sister-in-law, and hunter. With these two people Linski and Galley, ours. On one side on the side three Chinese communists won a very high level member. WHO's also? Chinese. High level intelligence operative name, Jesus in me. Is Operatives in America is a gentleman named Stanley Ho. And the other spy have working in America is Kevin Dom. They all join it apart. Here's the partnership. The Biden family is GONNA get ten billion dollars a year. And fifty percent of the profits. In order to make introductions. For C. E. S. C., which is a Chinese energy company, which is owned by the Chinese Congress. It may be. A bit of a French, an intelligence operation to me this looks more like. An intelligence operation to jam up the Biden's big time. So now when we get the when we get the hard drive. I start searching it. And behold I get the contract. I just told you. and. Then I go a little more into it and behind it is another piece of paper. WAS ANOTHER CONTRACT And the other contract has something else added to? That is the first one. And the numbers are a little different so you could come up with ten percent off. Ten percent. To Age for the Big Guy. So I'm sorry I'm cynical prosecutor. I knew right away that was Joe Biden Right. But of course I knew the New York Times would say. Oh absolutely, not not a big. He's not that big or or somebody's made it up with the Russians road now wasn't written in Russian, but if the Russian throat. So I said, we got corroborate this. So the first thing we did is we found the document in which they assigned the keys for the new office in which Biden will get. I can't even say this the binds were going to be in business with the Chinese. Communists. Match, Shane. So just as here's the keys we need. Key. Number. One Joe Biden. She number two Jill Biden. Number three James before him so. The big I guess the first key. So, that was the first indication was the big guy. then. We looked at more carefully and we see that in other references including social references. People writing to hunter his father as the big guy. Here's one just a social reference from a Felony Jeff Rodgers at about that time. Hunt see below big night and Licey I was not there but heard all about. The Big Guy. Made Them. Happy. The speaker that night was Vice President Joe Biden? Who spoke at the life sheet firewall? Clearly, that's nickname for job. And then we have now missed the but Linski. Who was she owes this company by the way Who has testified and submitted an affidavit under Os. That's a big guy was joe. Biden. That Joe Biden. Wasn't G. A participant in the money. That not only that. All that stuff about Joe Biden not knowing. About. Joe's foreign. I mean hunters foreign business which I think we just true the meetings. With the vice-president total crap. that. Hundred doesn't do a damn thing without talking to Joe. And that there's no doubt. That all over the years. Hunters, Ben Chicken, money back to Joe. And taking care of Joe's. Expenses. Which explains why Joe was never been anybody senator and his wife, a teacher has five. People have always wondered how he got the five longs. Don't take investment expert. Mr Mayor You said something they are pretty profound. I want to be sure the audience says it miss this. Is. Is there a possibility here just to reiterate this at this from the start? Was a Chinese operation to get dirt on the Biden's altogether knowing that he run for. I. Mean You said that I just WanNa be sure the audience understands me having some background than intelligence. That's that's that's perfectly possible that this could have been an up from the start and nothing to do with business and everything to do with dirtying up the Biden's. Two possibilities. The Chinese dumb and like to give away billions of dollars. For the Chinese are among other things very intelligent. They know what they're doing. And they figure it was a good investment in the vice president said, she had a lot of discretion over the Islands Taras? And he sold us out like crazy. I mean it was pathetic. America was sold out completely. If you lost your job to China somewhere in the mid part of twenty six changed sixteen every. Thank Joe Biden. The you lost your job Biden made one point five. Minutes discussing. Yes and then I think. They figured that's over, but they had to have another lover hold on this week man. So they came up with this deal and the idiot becomes a ten percent part, but it's worse than that Dan. There is one. A text message here that explains the whole thirty year. Racketeering Enterprise. This is a method of payment. Joe Is. The Big Guy, the boss Fam-. Hunter James Sarah possibly frank. Collect the money. They're the. Joe I, mean hundred explains now to his door because she's getting older and she may have to take on some of these I rotate on some of these responsibilities I mean Joe likes to keep the crime family in the crime family. I love you all. But I don't receive any respect. And that's fine. I guess. Works for you apparently. I. Hope You. All can do what I did and pay for everything for this entire family for thirty years. It's really hard. But don't worry unlike pop I'm won't make you give me half your show. That's incredible. For thirty years hundred has been given. By what he earns. Because Hunter has jobs that are fronts. To produce. BRIBE MONEY FOR JOE. This is a classic bag man situation. It's also very similar to the way Schweiker. At the beginning of a secret empire describes the Chinese for form of corruption. They don't pay the principal. They pay the trusted people around the principal, trusting the people around the principal to take care of them. To, make sure he gets the proper money at the right time and to make sure he wants nothing. That's the system they set up. and. It went on all throughout this and I I knew they were doing this two years ago I just couldn't prove but every little piece that I dot. When I saw this. I said. I can't believe you put it in writing winter. But all the circumstantial evidence leads to this. This is what's going on. This man by. Is it thoroughly corrupt? Even be and I think he's a very bad man and I'm going to tell you why is he batman because when you read all this, you realize that Hunter Biden is a very troubled young man. And hundred? Biden. Years ago. Should have been taken out of this dirty business. And he should have been putting some easy business where a drug addict yet the chance to rehabilitate. I know a bit about drug addiction I. Think you do too and the way in which you deal with drug addict you don't put them under stress. So this father has his son dealing with some of the worst criminals in the World Michael Izzo Chassis is an organized criminal and a kill. Elaine of good arena. Maybe a woman. She's got her sheriff notches on herbals. Ming is a member of Chinese organized crime. And during the course of their party, he ended up in the Yangtze River he's now at the bottom of the Ashley River if you WanNa find in. A number of people that this kid did business with. The number two guy in that partnership went to jail and the first person he asked what he went to jail the James Biden. And his own partner Devon Archer is going to jail so his father surrounding. This reminds me of the Mafia. There the mafia members who kept their kids in the business, and there were members who took went to all lanes to get their kids out of the business joe went to all lanes to keep his kid in the business and when you feel sorry for hundred being a drug addict. That's okay. You can feel sorry for hunter being a drug addict, but there's a reason that drug addiction was cured in the region wasn't cured as job died. Now that's a that's that's that's a great point I a sad point but a great one. Mr Mayor Nobody understands organized crime better the news just interesting on a on a side note I was watching. I don't know history channel whatever special on. The crime organized crime in New York City and you were probably forty percent of the episode how you came in there and really pioneered the use of Rico to dismantle these crime families which had run. New York for decades. So that was that was great that a great job back then but today I was covering on my show now by the time stairs a few days ago. How it seems like they knew about Biden's problems here. That is associations we're going to be troublesome potentially criminal and they covered it up I showed a time article in the Washington Post Article Back in two thousand fourteen. But when they were actually interested in this case before they knew Biden was going to run for president but one of the things I found interesting is a Wall Street Journal Article Barista the company Hunter Biden was working for. Headed by this corrupt crabs ski, they had some interesting partnerships, Mr Mayor, they partnered up with the Atlantic Council really polluted with deep state swamp rats who were Clinton donors and everything else and they also partnered with the trans-atlantic Election Commission on election integrity, which is a fascinating partnership with a company, like Burrito, with corruption allegations and who gives a pointed to this election integrity transatlantic commission after he leaves office to investigate foreign interference in election Joe Biden. Which is insane which says to me, they already knew this was going to come out and they were going to use election interference and Russian disinformation as a canard to keep people like you and others from looking into it. Well. Joe Biden. Made his confession of abroad in front of the Atlantic Council. In January of two, thousand, eighteen, he stood up with that famous you know Joe Torre Shaneco. Yeah. If he didn't fire the guy, he's going to be gone. But he's going to be gone in seven hours and then. Shangqiu several you're not the president and he said. Call on a phone call him. Language. Joe By. Doesn't have the you know watched act like that Joe Biden is a weak little man. That never took place that meeting. He incriminated himself with in front of the Atlantic Council. The thing that amazes me is he he admitted a straight out broad. He admitted I withheld a billion dollars unless you took official action that I require. That's the definition of bribery. Actually, they wanted to impeach president trump for. Impeach President Trump. But like buying become president because he actually did it. And the Atlantic Council sent there. And they yawned when he started. But. When the happen with President Trump. WE ENDED UP WITH A worldwide commotion until it was proved that it was not true. I mean from the very beginning, it was clear to me that this was a bribery case he admitted it. All you need is that tape the tape admits every department. Now we've got twenty pieces of evidence that prove it. We've got videotapes we have documents, we have checked messages, we have emails, we have direct witnesses about ten. This was a racketeering case should be prosecuted as Biden crime family, racketeering case. Racketeering just doesn't apply organized crime I prosecuted milken that way prosecute Boesky that way prosecuted. Wall Street. That way that's right and I prosecuted corrupt Congressman Commissioners Republican and Democrats that way. It's intended for long-term crimes associations. And this is a very long-term Crimes Association don't take my word for it take his word for thirty years. earned the money goes to the big guy. Splitting this guy is the public office old. Scratch defined as library unless we really have. Become so corrupt. That Democrats can do anything. They can be engaged in multi million dollar. Sales in the United States. Damage this does to our reputation. When our public officials act this way. In a place like Ukraine, we're trying to convince them to be more honest they laugh at China. Last us. We say China's corrupt and they got by right right you're right they buy. Expensive but we combine them. We had our own diplomats, Mr Mayor we I mean George Kent and others even even Amos hoax theme had warned a listen. This could be a serious problem. It's not like they didn't know and they just didn't care enough to do anything about it. They raised it as a conflict of interest. Whatever else they are they're intelligent that. You didn't know this was a bribe you should be working for the government. I mean if I had an assistant US attorney that look at this and couldn't figure it out with bribe I tell them to go right wills right. Mr You've been incredibly generous with your time. You have done Yeoman's work and exposing the second biggest scandal of all time after exposing the first biggest scandal of all time spy gate. Thank you so much for joining us on the show really resent you and I have to say Dan. Of all the people who have stayed with this from day one. Probably one of the one of the strongest one of the best one of the most articulate. And the one that really connects people. So I and the president you know the president appreciates it. And he doesn't appreciate it as a special favor. Appreciate your honesty and integrity. WHATEVER THEY WANNA say about Donald. Trump I've known him for thirty? Years. He's an honest man. He would never do this. I got. He's one hell of a father. He doesn't know all these facts yet. When I tell them all these fat. I almost didn't tell him because I thought. When he debater to me my rip his head off. There's nothing there's nothing there's nothing that bothers me more. Than parents that doesn't take care of their child that ruins their child because they're so narcissistic except career. And they want to be multi millionaires. Hunted by didn't have to be in this and if Joe Biden wanted to get his millions and millions and millions, there are twenty bag men around Washington would have gladly done it for them unfortunately. That's a great point and sad point but a good one. Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani a great man used to work for you cleaned up my hometown New York City I wish you'd go back and clean it up again. So Gosh, we could use you back there. Thank you very much. Sir We appreciate your time. We'll talk to you. And God. Bless you and I'm praying for you know that. Thank you. 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It's why I wanted to have you on for our election special here. Let me get right to it. Listen obviously the media sucks I mean we can just get past that. Now we need to you know they're terrible but what are the things that really bothers me about them as they haven't nailed down yet Joe Biden on his cataclysmic middle-class tax bomb coming. He said Steve Repeatedly he's going to repeal the trump tax cuts. Now, anyone can go to the Internet and look up the trump tax cuts. It's not hard and you could see that the middle class got a huge tax cut. So if Biden's go to repeal them, doesn't that mean by default that Joe Biden is going to high taxes on the middle class. Right where you don't have to be a mathematician to follow that logic a lot right eighty, two percent of American people got a tax cut got tax. Because of the momentous 2017 tax cuts, and by the way, let's talk about just how effective those tax cuts have been twenty thousand nineteen. So those tax cuts were in two thousand seventeen didn't really start to take effect until twenty eighteen and really kicked in by twenty thousand nine, which was also the last full year that thank goodness we were free of China virus before we were invaded with this terrible virus and in Twenty nineteen what happened? Well, it was the best year in American history for workers literally now, my opinion, that's what the numbers tell us six point eight percent wage growth an all time record by a mile even. Better than that Dan for the deplorables for blue collar people, nine percent wage growth minorities did better than the average everyone did well, okay. Look we. We don't WanNa put people in the silos and only view that way by identity politics. Everyone did well the wealthy to the most modest earners but the point is this strivers the economic underdogs, the people who had languished so badly lagged behind during the slow growth years that Biden was in the White House those are the people of who leaked to the front because of those tax cuts and I don't want just brag about the past it's happening again right now for example to. Bore your audience with my data but I spent twenty five years on Wall Street. So I spent a lot of time watching the numbers and these numbers lately they are defying Wall Street expectations by the way to define all of the Scottish who thought that we could never get this much ground back this quickly, we know we still have work to do. There are still too many people who are out of work right now because of what the Chinese Communist Party did to the world, but we can also rightly celebrate the amazing economic progress right now in this country and it's particularly due to the open states, i. Call them the Liberty States places like Florida which has opened aggressively, and smartly an economy economy is absolutely humming. So because of this, for example, manufacturing wages just in September, most recent report, hit a new all-time high there up eleven percent so far average hourly earnings for production people not the managers production people in manufacturing that rate, and that's including the pandemic eleven percent so far in the trump presidency and and that rate is fifty percent better than the last four years of Obama Biden and I I say the last four years because I'm trying to be fair here and not Cherry picking penalize them for the Nine recession so. They won't be fair to you I that's very nice. You a noble man I, give them nothing I screw them tired of them but that's very generous. You're a more noble guy than me in that respect but Steve doesn't it infuriated listen my listeners here this every day on my show on my daily show this. The media drives me nuts but this one thing drives me crazy because it's such a simple question that you know I'll be fair from it at Biden could clear up right away. Biden could say, Hey, I'm not gonNA repeal the trump tax cuts because they are tax cuts for the middle class and I'm just GONNA high taxes on the rich with a new bill. You know why he won't say that because they'll have to acknowledge that the media that trump cut taxes for. The middle class that's why he won't answer Becua- that's what I want to pull my hair just ask them the damn question. So you're not going to repeal the taxes just say it right and the media look unfortunately they are all too willing to be complicit in Joe Biden's lies. Let's face it Joe. Biden. Started his entire campaign on a lie on the I think the most malicious lie in American public life, which is the fine people hopes the lie of Charlottesville the. That president trump praised violent bigots in Charlottesville when in fact he said the exact opposite he condemned them totally an explicit terms. So he has been spreading that lie with the media's assistance since the very beginning of his campaign. So unfortunately, if they're willing to spread that live that toxic lie is so divisive and untrue just totally proven untrue. Then of course, they're willing to also help him spa spread lies that probably aren't quite as bad regarding taxes. It's very clear unfortunately that we don't really have. A journalism very much in this country certainly, not in the legacy outlets we do in in platforms like yours but not in the legacy outlets, they're completely corrupted. They're completely on the tank for Joe Biden, and we see it nowhere of more exemplified unfortunately than their intent to completely ignore the biggest story of this entire campaign, which is, of course, the revelations about the Biden cartel selling us out to communist China. Oh we're going to get to that I got Rudy Giuliani on this show too so. You're on wheel. rockstars. Kid. You're right. You're prager you video about the the the hoax about the fine people hoax is amazing and if you have not seen, it just put in a search engine Steve Cortez prager you. Steve eviscerates this ridiculous lie with the actual transcript and footage. It's amazing Stephen Use it on my show you're right the media is horrible One of the other things you're a data guy I'm a data guy but really data doesn't resonate with and it's People's fault. They've got games to get to work to go to don't want to sit and go to portal's of data like we do what are the things I saw though that surpasses any kind of wonkery just really hit me hard the other day in the Wall Street Journal was this number. Under Donald Trump, we have seen the lowest level of black unemployment since World War Two forget about data. That's. Right. That's a powerful powerful piece of information there that really I hadn't even heard. I knew it was good. I didn't know was that good. Right, now it's incredible. In total, let me give you a similar number for Hispanics. I care a lot about this facts of. Panic before Donald Trump there was one month ever because of course, payroll reports come out every single there was one month ever in two thousand, six or Hispanic jobless rate was below five percent one ever under Donald, trump there have been twenty six of them. I, mean think about that. So the other forty four presidents stacked up one month under under five Percent Donald Trump twenty, six of them it's amazing what he's done for working class people whether they're white or brown or Black or purple. This is a president who rewards working class people and creates the conditions for them to thrive and succeed the economic strivers, the deplorables, and by the way to contrast that with Joe Biden again I think this is really important for us. We had here into the home stretch to contrast it with his record of economic failure. The Biden Obama years were great for the already successful because you had a lot of asset inflation. So if you already own a lot of. Real estate and a lot of stocks. These were salad days for you Obama and Biden. But but workers languished and to put a statistic on this only ten percent only the top ten percent of earners saw their net worth increase throughout those eight years ninety percent of Americans. Most of US folks saw their net worth decrease over the eight years and it was even worse for Black Americans. Blacks saw on average a thirty percent reduction in their household net worth under the leadership. Of the first black president. So think about that while it was certainly a real symbolic victory for America to elect a black man and it was by the way for our country to prove that we are no longer a racist nation. That was quite an achievement. However, what did he do once given the levers of power and wants giving control policy? Unfortunately, all he did was delivered for credential elites on the coast ignoring workers including a lot of black and brown people to Steve another. Data point fact that really blew my mind without getting too wonky here is they just did one of these real simple poles hey, is your life better off now than it was four years ago that traditional question that everybody always celebrates if you're doing well and you get over fifty percent, we're in the middle of a pandemic president trump scored fifty four percent think about this the processes for a minute we're in the middle of one of the worst pandemics in modern history and it was so bad at the end of the Obama administration that even now fifty four percent of people like now I trust president trump more than the Obama Biden people. Right. It's really it's astounding and it shows you a couple of things. Number. One is what kind of strength we came into the pandemic with. So thank goodness right that this country was humming economically on all cylinders So while what has happened in the challenges that we faced have been terrible for this conference 'cause a lot of real misery out there particular economically health wise of course as well. But the good news is Donald. Trump had US coming into the storm. In such a position of strength that Americans still report even with the challenges of twenty twenty that the solid majority are better off than four years ago also to put that number in context I think this is important because they've been pulling on it. You know Reagan used that line largely to win as a challenger nine, thousand, nine, hundred, and so from nineteen eighty-four on Gallup has done this poll every election year and of sitting incumbent US presidents nobody's ever been north of. The high watermark previously was Bill Clinton in nineteen ninety six when the economy was really rocking and he got to fifty. So not only is this a terrific number and a terrific affirmation of president trump as the prosperity president but it's also a standout number contact compared to historical norms. Yeah. Yeah. No kidding man. Really it really is. It's stunning number we had Robert. K.. Leon. From the Trafalgar Group One of the few polling outlets that actually called 2016 everyone else of course was all over the map and wrong about now president trump. He thinks that president trump could get fifteen possibly more fifteen to twenty percent of the black vote, which would be a historic in modern times accomplishment by GOP, candidate are you guys feeling the love out there from the black community? I'll tell you I. Am I got a lot of listeners who happen to be Black Hispanic and I've never seen anything like this. Yeah, listen I I think blacks and Hispanics. Number one, they're tired of the Democratic Party taken for granted number two. This is not your parents or grandparents Democratic Party. So a lot of traditionally minded blacks and Hispanics and I'll speak for Hispanics. You know listen I think that we are generally a very conservative people politically religiously. And culturally, and so a lot of Democrats are a lot of Hispanics who used to vote democratic but have traditional minded values sort of traditional religious blue collar type values. They have found themselves effectively politically orphan by the twenty twenty Democratic Party as it lurches leftward and as it embraces of the terrible policies of the so-called squad I. Think the same thing is happening among a lot of black Americans. A lot of black men. One thing we're seeing an internal polling is black men are really starting to trend our way and I think it's it's primarily whether it's black metastatic than white men. Primarily, particularly younger ones it's the aspirational aspect of their life that they want to build wealth they want to make money they look at Donald trump is a man who did it himself in his private life and has now as a public servant creating the conditions for others to do it. You know and Look I. Don't put too much stock in celebrities but I do think that people like a fifty cent coming over and saying I don't want to be twenty seven. I think that resumes you know. Twenty seven said which was brilliant. He's like I don't want to be twenty-seven wealth and you know it's funny when the even Cardi B. who is endorsed Bernie Sanders. All kind of leftists nuts and says crazy stuff put out a video awhile ago when she actually looked at the Democrats tax plan I don't know you remember she was like, why am I giving you all my taxes, which is like I don't get it. How are you voting Donald Trump listen i. Just want to get two more quick things in. One of on this obvious disaster with hundred. Listen I get I've had addiction in my family. It's a horrible thing and I certainly don't mean to pile on but that's not an excuse. Steve. I mean. The man's father who he clearly was involved in a business relationship with according to people involved with them is running for president. These are fair questions. It appears right now to me, and this is not hyperbole that Joe. Biden is a national security risk to the United States. I mean you normal as common sense people after seeing this betty of information that have come out after ask themselves, what else do the communist Chinese who appear to have been in a business relationship with them have on the Biden family? This is serious stuff. Oh, it's. It's absolutely deadly serious. You're right and and you're also right you know there's a phrase that there's never one cockroach i. think that's probably true. Just what we know is so damn thing about what we potentially don't know and listen I really pushing on our campaign is trying to frame this as we're not really concerned with hundred. Okay. He has his issues. He has dealt with addiction like millions of Americans. He's lived largely a depraved life that matters to voters that's not relevant. He's not on the ballot Joe. Biden is the reality hunger. Biden was just a bag man. Okay. For the Biden Cartel, the head of the cartel is Joe Biden and what we now know we previously had been able to factually ascertain that Joe Biden had awareness of his sons nefarious corrupt business deals all over the world including with the two most dangerous enemies of the United States Russia and China, but we now know. because of this bombshell report from New York Post, and because of the surfacing and the effective public testimony of Bob Alinsky who I believe is really a Patriot and doing the honorable thing here he has come forward on the record as the CEO of the Sham Company that was set up to facilitate the gripped of the passage of many millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist. Party through a Chinese energy company directly to the Biden family. He has come forward to validate what already unnamed sources had already said, which is that Biden is the. Big Guy. He's the big guy in the e mails the explosive email stating that he gets a ten percent cut of this scam and this isn't your standard gripped Dan I think this is important point out. We're not talking about a Canadian Telecom Company who wants some influence for an se license Washington. DC. Okay. That would be bad enough. We're talking about the most dire enemy. Of the United States, the Chinese Communist Party and they were able to buy access and influence with the second most powerful man in the world who could potentially become the most powerful man. In the World Joe Biden is disqualified from being our commander in chief with just what we know right now Dan he would be unable to get a security clearance to even work at the lowest. In. The. or in. Your he would I I was a recruiter in the secret service. He disqualified immediately exit question I know you gotta run. We're talking to Steve Cortez spokesman for the trump campaign. Steve How's your out the vote going on listen to turn out this is a base election house turn out looking. Great because we've been investing in that as a campaign for months and actually four years. So the Biden campaign has a top down strategy. They raise tons of money from powerful interests which doesn't surprise me. Hollywood Wall Street oligarchs and they're spending it top down meaning they're spending a I'm rarely TV advertising. We are a bottom up movement of the deplorables out there we've. got. Grassroots enthusiasm like you can't believe others give one quick last example for the audience out there. I. Have yet to see a single biden flag and I've traveled a lot around this country I have to trump flags run of middle class homes behind pickup trucks going to work worksites behind luxury yachts I've seen trump flags everywhere. I have not yet. You Know Biden flag. No kidding I've seen him on planes, trains and automobiles Steve Cortez, you'd never disappoint again you really made our show. Terrific. Thank you for making a terrific closing argument why the trump prosperity agenda is the way forward you're the best buddy thanks for joining the show. We appreciate it. Thank you, Dan. God. Bless you. You just heard Dan Bongino.

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#EERS S9 Ep175: Where Are We?

The Erick Erickson Show

2:04:54 hr | 1 year ago

#EERS S9 Ep175: Where Are We?

"L. O. and welcome in his Eric Erickson here across the state of Georgia the full number want to be part of the program eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five apple right now, the governor of Georgia having a press conference about covid nineteen, I want to join that conference live for moments positively in their county. And last week is you know we announced a seven million dollars in reimbursement funds to nursing homes to ensure they are able to meet the federal testing requirements in addition to another thirty, five million dollars in continued staffing assistance to these facilities through the end of two, thousand and twenty. We've been able to accomplish these significant improvements because Georgians had bald in what Dr to me and I have asked them to do and we're very appreciative of that. We said don't fly rounds. We've said at standing outside hospitals. We've done it here at the Capitol at the airport. And in communities all across our state and we said that we needed Georgians to be part of the solution and not part of the problem and I'm very thankful in very proud of the fact that Georgians have stepped up to the plate and had done the right thing. The key is for us. Now to keep doing this, we cannot take our foot off the gas despite what some in the media have chosen to ignore. We've been able to keep businesses open most kids have been able to return to schools and people have been able to go about their lives in a smart responsible way but that is only sustainable if we continue to do our part moving. That's why dot to me and I rolled out for things for fall where mask wash your distance, wash your hands and follow the guidance dot to me and her team continue to put out there. If we all commit to doing the right thing I'm confident that we will continue to move in the right direction in our fight against covid nineteen. We've also made great progress in protecting livelihoods. Georgia's economy is knows firing on all cylinders before the pandemic and it's a testament to the grit and determination of small business owners, entrepreneurs, and hard work. Jordan's in every corner of our state that we are breaking economic records even during the pandemic. From July first timber I I'm sorry from July first to September thirtieth of this year, Georgia has announced the creation of over ten thousand jobs generating over three hundred and seventy one billion dollars in investment on projects at Georgia Department of Economic Development that has been working on. That is a fifty percent increase in new jobs created and eighty five percent increase in new investments compared to the same time a year ago. Our unemployment rate. Thankfully, blow the national average we've maintained our AAA bond rating state revenues continued to be strong, and we were again number named the number one state for business for the seventh year in a row. We've worked taller to protect people and their paychecks, and yes, we can do both. Enclosed and not again like to thank everyone and ask them to do three things. I join us today and continuing to do four things for fall where amass washer distance wash your hands. Public Health guns number to get your flu shot early. Number, three fill out your census form today by going to and twenty two, thousand. Census, dot. Gov We've mentioned previously. Over the last many months, this is very important for Jordan's to do this and do it today if at all possible at my twenty, twenty cents Dot Gov and. Turn it over to Dr to me and she'll give you update and then I'll come back up for some questions like if you're just tuning in it is the irks enjoy across the state of Georgia this is a statewide press conference happening live right now at the state capital, the governor Dr to me giving a briefing on Covert Nineteen Lived to be here today. Really comfortable. I think it's become an epidemiologist because he's laid out all the issues as I would have done. I think the one thing I do want to emphasize is the importance only these what I'm calling the four pillars of prevention in. The four things we can do for fall where mask social distance wash your hands, follow the guidance. But that fifth thing is get a flu shot in a flu never has been more important to get a flu shot than this year. You know we realized that. People, sometimes don't think flu shot as effective or afraid to get it or just don't bother. This is particularly important this year or trying to prevent twin dynamics of covid plus influenza, which could be devastating. We don't know what the presence of influence of May due to a covert infection epithets at the same time. Flew itself can be very deadly and can lead to hospitalizations that could fill up our hospitals and then not have capacity for a covert patients when. That increased may occur, and so we're really saying this is an extremely important thing to do actually as part of our covert response get that flu shot. We have them available through public health as well as through many of our other community partners see that we're really emphasizing that. Children. are particularly at risk as well as the elderly and everybody else in between because of the potential for spread, for example, in the workplace, and so we encourage everyone over six months of age to get a flu shot and there's a special kind of senior. The flu vaccine that has more antigen to boost the immune system for seniors. As. Well, so and these are available throughout the state. Public Health Right now has to date over three, hundred, seven, thousand doses of flu vaccine. That we are have already gotten out throughout the state to Oliver our health districts and we'll get over four hundred thousand additional doses throughout the state ASSOC- statewide we have these available at our health departments. The other thing that I really excited about is that almost all over health departments are doing drive through F-, flu clinics, and this is particularly important. This year because many people were thinking I. Don't want to get a flu shot because I don't want go into a clinic where I might be exposed to covid while the drive thru allows you to get that shot in your car. And for example, and the an adult Inari alone they did more than seventeen hundred of flu vaccines in drive-thrus. Hundreds a day in their drive free clinics. So we really very very. Proud of the work that we're doing statewide to really focus on. The flu vaccine. This year is really one of the most important prevention efforts we can do. As part of our comprehensive covert respond. I want to just also mentioned because I think this is come up. Just about our website and our reporting. We will be putting probable cases. This is not a flu, but now of Covid on our our website probably by next week and these are antigen test positive. I know this come up I've got many questions about this. At. Our. To Our Communications people of the probable cases are antigen positive cases. We we re respond to them. Redo. PCR, the kinds of tests that we do are. One hundred and eighty eight spots or tests of public health test sites throughout the state. So we are still continuing to test still encouraging people to get tested at our. At our sites but are also recognizing that many people choose to go to an urgent care center or some other place where they can get these rapid antigen tests. You may have noticed that there's a little little blip in. Percent Positives that probably reflects some of the antigen tests being eventually add into our system we haven't. Quite worked out that electronic transfer of those tests and are working very closely with many of the urgent care centers. So that happens automatically in those tests get reported rather than requiring. These clinics to enter those by hand, but you'll be seeing those added night as part of the total positives is a separate probable case categories. So that's that's. Coming attraction on our website as well, and so I just wanted to proactively mentioned that to you because it may come up but but again to to close everyone from six months to. Hundreds, and you get a flu shot please this is the year to do it and reach out to public health or many of our other private partners to do. So thanks so much. If just tuning in it is Erickson. Here I am live on era i. just figured this was so important the governor in Dr Kathleen to me having their first major press conference for some time about the status of covid nineteen in the state after schools reopening thereabouts start taking some questions from reporters. I'll leave this for a few more minutes before we get into other stuff through his stuff I wanted to talk about but I just thought given the show is across the state and not every station has the ability to carry those live I would do it for everybody. This covid prevention effort that we're doing. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you too many for that and as I said earlier, we're glad taking the questions that you guys have obviously to here and also Commissioner Barry's here with us this morning. Governor what kind of message or example does it send when you speak at events like last week's faith and freedom gathering where people are not social distancing and not wearing masks. Well I can tell you if you were there or even if you weren't I was wearing a mask continuing try to set a good example and ask people to do what we're asking. Below. We've had political events, other issues, demonstrations protest. Where people have First Amendment rights what we're trying to do is get people to be respectful. Do the four things that we're asking them. To Do, and that's what we're going to continue to. Ask The question for me. The. Governor has to step away and put on a mask before Dr Kimmy comes up and takes mask off. Could you describe the possible severity of a situation where there's a school that has quite a number of Cova cases and then a significant prevalence of the flu if that happens. I think that like many other things I'll in this pandemic, we don't know this is still new. This is the first time we've experienced COVA PLUS influence, but we've had many many. Many many years with. Flu Increases in schools where in some cases we had to Close schools because so many teachers were ill or so many students real and I think we're going to work and really encourage. The school superintendents to continue to work closely with the local health directors to monitor. The had a very, very closely right. Now, we are not seeing a lot of influence activity and and even the cove activity in our emergency rooms is still pretty flat. We want to stay on top of this and you probably aren't aware that I have been having regular calls with the school superintendents and my a health directors who work with me throughout the state you know often called them several times. A week just regular catch up but also to. Follow, something like this, and so when that happens, we will ensure the safety of the of the students and the teachers and the staff. I mean this is what? We want to do we're learning as we go and we're GONNA continue. To follow CD GUIDANCE As we move forward. All right. We will leave it there. The this is started the they're taking questions from the press, this governor, Kim and Kathleen to me Dr Catling to me the head of the Department of Public Health for the state of Georgia, they're standing the in deteriorates steps of the state capital with this press conference taking questions from reporters bottom line a we're headed in the right trajectory with Cova nineteen. In fact, Georgia right now is is number one in decline of cases we are headed down and trending down even after the Labor Day bump, which is one reason the governor wanted to wait if you'll recall, we're a month. Out from when Labor Day was the governor. When he came on the program two weeks ago said he wanted to wait another week or two to see if the Labor Day turn lights were as good as they were expecting it turns out that those trend lines were good. We haven't seen a spread of the virus in the state of Georgia Georgia The New York Times even now acknowledging Georgia's doing the best in Cedar reduction in cases hospitals around the state emergency room saying they're not really seen Cova cases come into hospitals right now they've largely flatlined Kathleen. Toomey just said at the press conference they are worried about a resurgence to the flu, and there actually is some evidence. That a flu shot can boost your immunity in fighting Cova nineteen as well, which is one reason they want to get it in addition to not overwhelming hospitals with both flu and cove nineteen Big Push there by the Governor Kathleen to me for that one last thing here Kathleen to highlighted that's worth noting the governor pointed out is that in Georgia? Right now public school and private school students are not seen in explosion of Cova cases. There are cases of covert in schools schools are responding rapidly, and in these cases, they've been able to contain and prevent outbreaks covert among school populations right now, there are no known deaths of students in Georgia going to school in elementary, middle, high school, or college from Covid nineteen. All that being said. We'll take a quick time out here. And we will come back with the Well, you know what? Let me I got so many different audio files now playing with his press conference on my computer I'm doing it all for my computer this morning, and we got so many streams coming in including when we come back Joe Johns. The. White overnight. White. House correspondent for CNN. At a raccoon charging at the White House overnight. Yes. We'll come back with that. Hello there it is Eric Erikson. The Governor Kathleen to me has started off the show this morning with their. Press conference at the state capital urging people to wear masks, wash ends socially distance in now get a flu shot as well. the reason doing this listen I'm not gonNA argue with you about the flu shot their years that I haven't gotten into the past enlarge because I am one of those people who I promise you I I I will swear on the Holy Bible that when I get the flu shot I do always a day or two just feel miserable. And I finally had a doctor acknowledged to me that yes some people do it because so many people are dismissive of that where you feel like you've got the flu and a doctor finally this year told me that yes. In fact some people do it's not really the flu. It's your reaction to the vaccine. and. So I, I, have in the past not gun. But with my wife's situation she got the flu bad. I guess last year even though she got flu shot and wound up in the hospital and we just we don't want it in the House with her situation. So we certainly don't want the virus in the House that the governor and Kathleen urging people get. That their big concern is every year in the the winner in particular and early spring in Georgia hospitals tend to fill up with flu patients, and if we do have a resurgence of covid nineteen in Georgia as they're experiencing in Europe in parts of Asia right now, we don't want to see it explode in the hospitals at the same time we are overwhelmed with the flu. Because that would put our state hospitals in critical capacity so that that's that's why they're urging people to do this. Also, she noted that there had been a bump in in in some of the test reports out there. But that a lot of those tests reporting bumps, you'll see that data changed because. It is antibody testing that they don't want to put in definitive testing. It's a different tour detested they don't WanNa miss the date in. It's mixed right now it's going to change the and that's where it is coming in. I will tell you right now in the state of Georgia. With reported cases remember that they do two things now in the state and you can see this data yourself. You don't have to take my word for text the word data two, three, three, seven, seven, seven, I will send you back linked to the George apartment above Kelsey you can see for yourself. what what they have done is they have taken the they take the date of report. But then with the date of report, you got to recall that people get tested after they've had symptoms in. So they then move that stuff back to win did the symptoms actually present so you have two different ways to look at the report. One of the day to report went on winded the symptoms actually occur for the positive person on the date of report, the seventy moving averages one, thousand, two, hundred, twenty, four to get anywhere near that you gotta go back. June twenty third one, thousand, two, hundred, fifty, nine. If you look at the date of onset, which uses the fourteen day window and the seventy moving average and all that we're at a thousand fifty six cases to get anywhere comparable to that, you gotTa go to June thirteenth, which is the thousand thirty six cases that is right as the big spike in cases is beginning Georgia after Memorial Day and the protests. It does again look like Memorial Day and the protests did 'cause the massive spike in Georgia. It does also look like the Labor Day. Festivities activities and gatherings did not cause a spike. The governor and Kathleen to me wanted to wait a month from Labor. Day To have this press conference so that they get a sense of it So Labor Day was September seventh. October seventh is a month from there. We would be seen a labor day spike by now if there had been one, there is not one that looks like people needed to do what they needed to do, and the virus is not spreading to the state. In fact, Georgia continues to see the biggest decline among the states right now in number of cases, which is great news for us. Even schools are open. So Joe Johns is. White House correspondent for the the guy is awesome. I've known him for years just a wonderful wonderful human being. No nonsense but deeply, deeply funny guy. So he was doing a briefing at overnight brief feet at the White House this morning. And a raccoon charge team. To pick up one of the camera sandbags so that they've got the cameras at the White House just for wind. They all that they have sandbags at the feet. So they don't get blown over in the wind at grab one of the sandbags in early at the raccoon to stop the record charging him no word on if the raccoon was rabbit or not. Oh my goodness poor poor joe that that's just hilarious aright alright. Now we I WANNA move on to some other stuff here. A series moment here because I have. The amount of hate mail that I get sometimes as is actually deeply funny to me I apparently live rent free in way too many people's heads. And some people are really upset with me because they think I I think the president is is GonNa be toast November other people are upset with me because I'm voting for the president. I. Mean You just can't win right now it's it's it's not fun. To be someone who is on the right? Is a conservative is a Republican. Eh. But also thinks that I've got an obligation to to not just spin you. But actually give you some analysis. What I think is actually happening out there. mean if I say something critical of the President I, get the way you were always never-trumper. If I say anything nice about the president. I. Use sold out your values Q. Believe you betrayed everything you said. All I can do to you is to tell you what I actually truly believe is going on in the world what I actually believe is happening based on people that I talk to, and then give you my opinion of it. But. I should give you as much. The facts as I can before I, tell you what I think about it and I want to try to do that now and again in two thousand, sixteen, I got the election wrong in two, thousand, sixteen I actually thought Hillary was GonNa win and I had been political strategist. I had been a campaign manager. I knew how? To read the polls, I I, I knew the signs I knew it was going on I I saw the trump tape of the the access Hollywood tape Well, I was wrong and you know it required me to eat some crow and to have some much-needed humility in one of the things that I have done differently since then is talked to way more people. Not just talk to people, but actually talked to the people who are on the ground in various states who are involved in politics involved in the political process I do talk to more Republicans Than Democrats. I know more of them. I tried to talk across the out to at least get a sense of what's going on out there. And so based on those conversations. Let me give you what I actually think is happening right now where we are in the state of play were less than a month away. From the election. I think we've got enough evidence. Now we've got enough data points. Not Anecdotes data to paint an. Incomplete picture of the election. And it's kind of money. Let's go with the stuff that we know. For example, we know there is no dispute Republicans right now in states like Pennsylvania are getting more people to register to vote. We also know that people who are just now getting registered to vote typically won't vote anyway. In Georgia in two thousand eighteen, the Abrahams campaign got almost a million people registered to vote less than one hundred thousand of those people turned out. But we also know that the president on the ground has more enthusiasm than Joe Biden. This is this is really not up for dispute you don't see car parades and vote parades spontaneously organized for Joe Biden you do for Donald trump his supporters are far more energized and engage the Joe. Biden's consequently the president's team is doing door to door and phone banking in a way the Biden campaign is not a door to door campaigning really does matter. And the president's team is doing way more of it than Joe Biden's team. And that helps. At the same time, we know that women including registered Republican women who voted for Donald Trump and twenty sixteen are moving not just away from Donald Trump. But also away from Republicans Y- we're finding this indoor knocking when you show up at a Republican household in buckhead in Atlanta in Republican areas you're finding the Republican voters who answer the door hostile to the president's team and to the Republican Party. We're finding this in Eureka County Pennsylvania in Bucks County Pennsylvania were finding this outside of Milwaukee, Wisconsin finding this around the country in swing districts and swing areas where you show up at a republican person's door, they're registered Republican they may have supported in two, thousand, sixteen they supported Romney for sure and they're not happy. Concurrent to all of that. Republicans for years have tried to penetrate the Hispanic voter bloc and Donald. Trump's message has penetrated in a way that other Republicans have it. Donald Trump is doing better with Hispanic voters than prior Republicans have done. His message has found a home among a set of of Hispanic voters who tend to be entrepreneurial in spirit blue collar college educated they're more entrepreneurial spirit. How many of them there are we don't know how much of the message has been traded. We don't know, but they is clear clearly penetrated way more than Mitt Romney John McCain for example, likewise, a portion of black men out there still minority but a sizeable portion are moving towards donald trump. While all of that is happening senior citizens. At this point, it is objectively true across the country senior citizens are drifting to Joe Biden. Likewise voters who voted for Barack Obama and then voted for Donald. Trump are moving to Joe Biden now. We know all of these things are true. We don't know these things just from polling. We know these things from door to door visits. We know these things from phone banking candidate foam making we know these things from talking to Republican strategists on the ground who are organizing volunteers to approach those people and make sure they're still in it for trump and they're finding out that they're not You don't have to read the polls to do this you go on the ground and you do this. Anecdote is not data but overtime, if there are enough anecdotes, they turn into data and that's the data we're seeing now it's happening. So often at the same time, we also know that the Biden campaign is having trouble with some black voters beyond black men who aren't happy with him. Joe. Biden is also having trouble with some Barack Obama voters who don't think he's pushing too far to the left and Brock Joe Biden is having some trouble with progressive voters. You really hate, Donald Trump but they're not inspired by Joe Biden. So how do we take all of this and synthesize it well, I we have to ask ourselves do the gains that the president is making with these new groups of voters like Hispanics and black men. Offset the drift of seniors and more women. I'm not sure that it does. Second you've got to remember one of the Fundamental Dynamics of twenty sixteen is that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein and mullen were there and those three candidates pulled a lot of voters away from Clinton and trump. There is not a significant third party constituency this time you don't have Jill. Stein. You've got your Jorgensen who macy a little bit of an uptick in the polling from the debate last time, but she's not making a big player a. Big Splash like your Johnson did for the Libertarian Party. So those voters probably aren't going to go to Donald Trump over only some of them will like I, will I, voted their party in two thousand sixteen and I'll go for Donald trump this time. But most of them probably won't the question is, do they go to Joe Biden or do they stay home or do do they not fill out that that line on the ballot we don't really know. Another point is that Donald Trump won with seventy thousand voters in twenty sixteen now I realize Hillary got the popular vote. But Donald Trump the electoral and he got the Electoral College. Thanks to seventy thousand voters spread across Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan. All of those three states. Decisively to the left in two thousand eighteen. Wisconsin went to the Democrats Michigan to the Democrats and Pennsylvania into the Democrats. The question is a, and by the way, those states had sizeable near presidential level turnouts in two, thousand, two, thousand, eighteen, normally in two, thousand eighteen you see a decrease in off your elections you see decrease in two thousand, eighteen democratic voter enthusiasm was so strong. They almost matched two thousand sixteen presidential levels, which is actually pretty significant. So the question is now where do these people go? Do they come back. Do they still hate trump? What are they do? Then, there's the question of trump voters and polling. Will call this all the time I didn't get a pole. Yeah I. Know Statistical Sampling I don't have time to explain to you but you probably not going to get a call from bolster doesn't mean the polling is wrong. In fact, in two, thousand, eighteen, the polling was very right. All the people who say the polling was wrong. The police was actually pretty good into eighteen. Does. The shy trump voter phenomenon still happen I've talked to pollsters I've told you guys a lot of pollsters still tell me that about you can add two percent to the polling for Donald trump probably for shy voters but keep in mind the president's voters are more enthusiastic time. You're have the spontaneous boat parades in the car parade you're seen way more trump signs that he did in. Two Thousand Sixteen and a lot of people are saying, Oh, there's more trump voters. It looks like actually a lot of the shy trump voters are this time more public trump voters which does beg the question on how many shied trump voters are there also, how many shy anti-trump voters are there? How many people voted for trump twenty sixteen have flipped? We don't actually know the answer to that. All of this is to say I understand why the present supporters are confident. He's GonNa Win Right. Now they see many more upsides and trump stickers right now in two thousand sixteen at this time I still saw more Romney Ryan stickers that I saw trump stickers people who are voting for trump to some degree didn't vote for it didn't want to be acknowledged in two thousand, sixteen they're more willing to now. The trump voters very much like the anti-trump voters have internalized an episode logical belief that the polling is wrong. You talk to them all the time the police around the point is drawing actually the pulling hasn't been that wrong in two, thousand sixteen it was only off by a point of the popular vote. It just wouldn't look at the electoral. College, have the pollsters tweet that enough I dunno in two, thousand, eighteen there were a couple of dates Indiana. Being one of them were the pollsters didn't quite get right in Minnesota beat another one. They didn't quite get it right but other states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and Michigan they got it right. So have the pollsters figured it out. The pulling could be wrong but it looks like the polling navy has gotten better. They're more mindful of the Electoral College. Now. All of that is to say that there is a growing sense among Republican strategist right now based on what they're seeing in their polling combined with what they're seeing on the ground that gives them some pause to think the racist shifted towards Joe Biden that doesn't mean it can't shift back but there is a growing sense among the Republican strategists I've talked to across the country in multiple states. That the race has shifted towards Jeff Gordon. There revere everyone has a different explanation for why but the the the common thread is that the exposure of the president of the last couple of weeks has been helpful to the president. But again it's important. Understand that we are less than a month from election a, but most people still haven't voted in. So the election can shift back. We've got a vice presidential debate tonight we've got two more presidential debates. You've got several more a crazy new cycles I'm sure to unfold. So. We don't really know where the racist right now. Yeah. I. Think the since the election has drifted towards Joe Biden is accurate. I think the sense that the election drifted towards the Democrats as accurate. But I. also think it is accurate to say there's a lot. We still don't know, and there's a lot that can change between now and November. Even in abridged new cycles and even less than a month that even with all the outstanding ballots that are out there or have been cast already in early voting. The last thing is that anecdote is not data. Enough anecdotes over time do shape the data. And we're getting a lot of anecdotes that I think are going to shape the data and is a lot of these anecdotes in places like Pennsylvania Wisconsin and Michigan where the President One do concern Republicans but that it is still manageable. So the real question here is is what are the we? Donald Rumsfeld when he was secretary of Defense at the same that the known knowns we there are things we know there are known unknowns. There are things we know we don't know there are unknown unknowns. The things that we don't know we don't know in their unknown knowns the things that we know we just don't recognize that we know. What are the known unknowns? What the unknown unknowns that are affecting this race? who were not one hundred percent sure. We don't really have a handle on the percentage of senior citizens who are drifting towards by we know it's real. We know it's real not just by the polling, but by the on the ground, a door to door. Being made by Republicans. There is in in several states including Florida. Now, I'm told by a senior Republicans There is a noticeable decline in volunteer enthusiasm for phone banking door knocking. They don't know whether it's viral related school related a related or dissatisfaction with the president people just aren't showing up so we don't know why. The real question though is have we sorted out the messes of two thousand sixteen to be able to better understand twenty twenty. And if you use twenty eighteen as the model than, yes, we have sorted out enough of the mess that we can say that the polling averages this time probably are pretty good and if that's the case, then Joe Biden definitely has the wind in his sails. I suspect I suspect twenty eighteen there was a mixture of luck with some pollsters. and. Also they got it. Right. The question is what now and we're not going to know until November a anyone can win this right now. There's a report this morning. Some Republicans in Washington are beginning to mutter about Joe Biden landslide if that conversation continues and gets loud and public in the next week. then. What you're going to be seen is to some degree rats fleeing from what they think is a sinking ship. The situation is still salvageable and even then it salvageable but it it lets you know that Republicans in Washington, beginning to give up on the president but there's one thing we haven't seen. That is significant. We are not see. Republicans in Washington distancing themselves from the president, and that suggest they know that the intensity of the president's voters is very strong and they're scared of the presence voters they WANNA be they don't want to feel. Those voters feel betrayed and that suggests that that with the virus and everything else happening out there right now the race still is very much in play because the president still has very enthusiastic supporters and those people are going to show up on election day you know one of the other big issues with the president right now is the Is His tweets yesterday the president announced yesterday that he was calling off all talks on further stimulus talks with the Democrats. And it's the market into a tailspin you should know. I mean the market tanked after the president's tweet that there would be no more talks until after the election on the stimulus. The president last night. Came back out and said, well, actually, he would accept some talks on stimulus on certain issues. The market this morning has recovered as a result right now it is fifty, four, nine, fifty, four am when I'm talking when you're listening to the Dow is up three, hundred, sixty, seven points snp up forty one points which is headed in the right direction for sure in that regard. His tweets matter and there are a lot of disgruntled Republicans yesterday wondering what on Earth is he doing calling stimulus talks because in certain states including in North Carolina where Thom Tillis was in a debate last night with a cal Cunningham his Democratic opponent who's involved in scandal all of a sudden. It gave Cunningham a rallying point. Thankfully, the president got a tweet out saint. He actually would accept something before that debate began to give some plausible level of damage control to Dylan's it. It people were wondering yesterday even inside the White House. What, what is this And this this gets to the the ultimate issue right now that you just you gotta understand this, don't don't the Messenger. There is concern that the president at this point is throwing everything out there to see what sticks, and at this point should have a consistent message like the law and order message or something like that and and we don't really know yet how covert his his positive Cova test is gonNA play There is some data out there that suggest it's actually not playing well. But again, anecdote is not data there's some data, but it's not significant data. So we don't know We'll see the I mean we've still got I mean we're we're a month away really little less than a month away from the election and a lot can happen between now and then there's plenty of time for an October surprise. We've also got the vice presidential debate tonight. Historically vice presidential debates don't matter. I suspect in this go round of the vice presidential debate will matter in will matter more than it has ever mattered before and. I WANNA. Talk about that. When we come back and there's also a you know who broke boast earliest. Boast, nearly is rush limbaugh's callscreener. He is a friend of mine he's a wonderful guy and he is leading a pack. It is a pack that is specifically targeting African American men to get them to vote for the president and they have an ad that is going to be released at the debate tonight and he sent me an advanced look at the ad and I wanna play that for you when we come back right now though. I just real quick in Texas. A local prosecutor in Texas has been able to get a grand jury to indict net flicks, the company Netflix's for that cuties. TV Show and you'll I'm sorry I'm opposed someone. I'm not opposed to someone being indicted for that that Almost, like pile porn on Netflix, I'm. Not. opposed. But I said someone not some entity netflix's a corporation historically this country you don't prosecute corporations. You prosecute the people in the corporations who made the decisions. And some one made a decision and by prosecuting net flicks instead of some one, it allows the prosecutor to get a great headline that can go viral on the Internet while also abjectly refusing to hold any particular person culpable for their decisions. I had a problem with that I i. just I got a problem with us as a society doing political stunts like this using indictments as political because that's what it is. The guy is up for reelection. And he's using this as a start. To win votes You're not going to get a corporation criminally culpable because a corporation doesn't have the intent. 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O. and in his Eric Erickson here the year Ericsson show the phone number. If you WANNA be a part of the program is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. Glad to have you with me today we've got a vice presidential debate tonight Susan Page of USA Today will be the moderator and I, I want to begin with some basic points vice presidential debate. No one cares about vice presidential debates or at least not in the past. These are the debates that do not matter. I I can tell you that vice presidents rates do not matter historically going just go back to Lloyd Bentson. Dan. Quayle. And They just they don't really matter Lloyd. Bentson dominated crushed. Absolutely viscerally crushed. Dan Quayle in the vice presidential debate in eighty eight. Of what would today be viral video clips out of it and nobody cared. in in Nineteen ninety-six Jack Kemp dominated Al Gore's performance. No no body cared. In don't Dick Cheney just crushed everybody in his debate. Dick Cheney. Just had a death stare. So I mean, but they didn't the matter. Paul Ryan and Joe Biden. Joe Biden was just nasty to Joe. Biden did the Paul Ryan in the Nineteen Ninety? The two thousand twelve vice presidential debate with Donald Trump did to Joe Biden nobody liked it. Joe Biden did it to Paul Ryan nobody liked it with Donald trump did it to to Joe Biden there was a bigger impact when when Donald Trump did it to Joe Biden though than Joe Biden deter Paul Ryan nobody cared. These debates just don't matter in in in What nineteen ninety, two, Admiral Stockdale, who am I? Why am I here he was Ross Perot's ready. Nobody cared nobody cares about the vice presidential debates? This time may be slightly different largely because the. Donald Trump and Joe Biden are ancient of days and there is a prevailing common sentiment at this point this if Joe Biden gets elected, maybe he won't stick around full term and if he does, he won't run for a second term. He's been very open with the fact that he'd be one term president. He picked comal Harris to pick up the banner and carry the Party. Forward. And my my senses this would may matter a little bit more but honestly. Stock going to matter much. It's the presidential debates that matter. Now in this case, what we're probably going to Susan pages, the moderator is a focus on policy positions rift between the candidates and their running mates for. Mike Pence has always been a free trade Republican who has supported Nafta until he got elected vice president, he's been a loyal foot soldier for Donald. Trump who is not a free trader and did not like Nafta and in undid it with the new US MCA. Mike. Pence has differing views of the president and a host of issues but has reconcile those views in Donald Trump's direction for some time Comma Harris on the other hand is. Completely, different from Joe Biden on a host of issues over time, and in course was pretty brutal to him on the debate stage in the primaries. In no one has ever really asked her to reconcile her attacks on Joe Biden and race in the primaries. With her support of Joe Biden now. Those things will be fair game also the policy pronunciations. One of the things calmly Harris was really bad about on the campaign stage the debates when she was running was articulating policy. She was never very good at it. And she's going to have to get good now. The vice president was a talk radio shows. Mike Pence Mike Pence was a talk radio show host for a number of years in Indiana. Little think tank there. pence's good on feet. He's been a good debater. and it was very interesting You're seeing Democrats trying to to set the bar for Mike Pence that Oh, he's he such a good debater and Mike. Pinson so much more experienced than Kamla Harrison this and you know he was on talk radio and he thinks it's interesting to see the the Democrats say that because I think that that supports the idea that they recognize Kamla Harris is not the great debater going back to her time in California as attorney general, she was never really a great debater and during. Her time running for the Senate in California she was never great debater so it'll be interesting to see tonight. Now one thing that they're gonNA have that's different before is there will be plexiglass dividers the vice president I balked at the idea of having plexiglass dividers but then decided he would go forward he would have them. So there will be plexiglass between the vice president and calmly heroes and Plexiglas around Susan page the moderator they're going to have this own as at University of Utah where where's The yes utah? And it will yes. The University of Utah in Salt Lake. City. It'll be a ninety minute debate. There really won't be a big audience there. And Susan page the moderator. Was We'll be asking questions a lot about the records of the people that they're running with and where they disagree. And I remember back in two thousand. Sixteen. Mike Pence did a really good job against Tim Kaine. The vice president could have a tremendous night tonight and I'm not sure matter just because vice presidential debates don't particularly matter. The only thing that makes this different again, this is one of those unknown unknowns. Are, have voters internalized the ages of the presidential candidates particularly with the president getting the virus. Have voters internalized that Donald Trump and Joe Biden our old I mean just for perspective. Where is it now? Joe Biden seventy-seven Donald Trump is seventy four remarkable donald trump is is younger you look and you could tell it but they're in their seventies the two oldest major party presidential candidates in American history. Pin Sixty one. Kamla Harrison fifty five. But he still is amazing to me the ages of the you know that's just as an aside here. The the ages of the people in power in Washington talked about this the other day there's that been Smith story in the wall in the New York Times you've got Mitch McConnell I think is is seventy nine or seventy eight. You've got Nancy Pelosi is in her eighty s you got Nancy Pelosi's senior leaders, Jim Clyburn city hoyer in their eighties. You got a main ranking chairman and leaders in the senator in their eighty. You've got a bunch of old people now in charge of the government. Some of them are propped up by their staffers and they themselves are propelled along by Russia without much thought in the process they just it's like a Zombie Congress. And you've also got now to Septuagenarian I remember when Ronald Reagan's was controversial and I was little I mean I was little when Reagan was president but it was actually a thing and nineteen eighty-four Ronald. Reagan had this debate against Walter Mondale in the first debate didn't go over very well and people he's he's so old is editor was minding you know subsequently there were the rubers that all right Reagan had ahead early Alzheimer's he didn't and and it's well documented that he didn't but revision who'd never liked Reagan went back and tried to revise history claim that he did he wishes he was older it off his game and probably needed a nap. And he was young compared to trump and bite and. It's just it's striking that here we are with with age. Meanwhile when you look around the world, what's interesting is around the world other countries they're leaders are getting younger. But not here So we will see what the debate tonight where things shape up. We got twenty seven days left until the election. One thing that is going to happen tonight I wanna I wanNA queue this play this for you you you know who boasts Let me set this up before it runs a Boesch nervously is the call screener for rush limbaugh and he has lent his name to a group called new journey. It's a political action committee designed to get particularly black men to vote for Donald Trump there is a sizable amount of pulling out there that suggests in fact that is is we're seeing black men drift towards the president not in overwhelming numbers but in significant numbers and they wanNA continue this, they're going to air this commercial before it after the debate tonight important is it for this protest to continue It's critically important the intensity and the brilliance of that movement. These movements provide a counterforce. To get us to where we need to everyone beware because they're not going to stop it as they're not gonNA stop before. Election Day November. Protesters sex assigned your rights to few swing protests. What he's movements juice. Journey pack is responsible for the content, the content of the end. I. It showing the black lives matters the scenes of the black lives matter protesters disrupting people eating. It shows them throwing tables and spitting and people's Food and enchanting and demanding people raise their fists and the ending tagline is eat in peace vote for up. Well done We will see if it has an impact I'm glad that that Snerdley is engaging the stuff I'm glad that people out there trying to do this listen. Let. Let me be real honest with you. If you're just tuning in I gave you the landscape in the first hour that. There is data that suggests that the wind is Joe Biden sales right now doesn't mean he's GonNa win. It certainly means the trend lines his direction. the Republicans quietly acknowledged this. They they do believe that it's it's changeable Anecdote is not data and all of that. But here's what I see. Long Term Horizon. Whether the Democrats win or lose I, think the Democrats head towards a crackup. It is notable that you're seeing black men in Hispanic voters moving towards Donald Trump. At the same time that they're moving towards Donald Trump, you're seen highly educated white voters who are largely secular moving to the Democratic Party. Hispanic and black voters in this country are culturally conservative intend to be more religious than your average white voter. If you fill in the Democratic Party with progressive secular rich white people that's not a party that can sustain a governing coalition with black and Hispanic voters who are culturally conservative and practicing Christians. Those people will need a new home. That some of them are starting to go to the GOP. Suggests to me that that it may not be Donald Trump who lures them all in together. But it will be. Some candidate in the future. Who rebuilds this coalition of the Republican Party of conservative White Black and Hispanic voters? Who I actually think outnumber the white secularists in this country. And so you will probably see a Republican party that is not as conservative as I like. Is Not committed to two small government like I want fiscal conservatism like I want but is socially conservative but also is committed to workers and is committed to free markets in some capacity The Democratic Party will move further left on economic issues as well. I my my gut is that this is starting to happen in the country. In, large part because of you know what? What are the worst things about rich white people right now is is their level of virtue sibling with black lives matters, and the like. If you drive through Atlanta right now and you see someone with the black lives matter signed are the odds are they're a well to do white person not actually a black person And? You're seeing people pandering now white rich white well-meaning secularist trying to pander. To Black and Hispanic voters in ways that actually turns them off. You're also seeing this angry progressive bit in the Democratic Party that that really is it American and I don't actually mean to disparage them but it is something you're Moore Candidacy in Europe i. it lacks equipped essential Americanise and a lot of black voters and Hispanic voters despite what you hear from the sixteen nineteen project people in the in the pundits and stuff actually are proud to be American, and they don't want to embrace an otherness that is more European and socialist what you have in this country, and that's going to crack the Democratic Party honest to goodness I actually believe the worst thing that could happen to the Democratic Party is by getting elected. and I say this because I if he does get elected, they will have that power and the progressives within the party intend to use the power and the more moderate Democrats out there really don't want the progressives to use the power. You will have a huge fight between them. It's one reason why you have so many. Democrats. In the Senate who can say outlandish things like they're going to pack the court and they're gonNA, pass the green new deal because privately a lot of these Senate Democrats recognize even among the Senate, Democrats, they don't have the votes for it. And as long as the Democrats win the Senate, but it's a bear number. They don't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster so they can't do these other things. So the ranking Democrats say, yes. Yes. We walked the green new deal. We'll do it while deep down privately. They know that they're not going to have the votes to do it in the Senate. and. That's going to cause a further crackup of the democratic. Party the media to focus on the crap of the Republican Party but you can see in the drift of Hispanic black voters to the GOP that there are the cracks are really there with the Democratic Party. and. Joe Biden beat in charge and alienating progressives or alienated moderates because he's GonNa alienate what the other that's just just 'cause the crumbling to really ramp up. It would actually be funny to watch. But? Not Funny enough to actually put Joe Biden in charge. It is Eric Erickson here the full number is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. You're about to start seeing a great many groups come out in support of Jon Ossoff and Raphael warnock and Caroline Bordeaux in the Metro area and Lucy Macbeth in the metro area, and they're going to be making a healthcare message a giant pitch on Georgia airwaves to support these candidates for healthcare and for women's rights. All the like you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA be seeing a lot of that. Now. Here's the thing. That you need to know that is important. These are actually. Gun groups specifically anti gun groups. They are. Out there, not wanting you to know. That they are the that they are supporting these candidates because of their anti gun positions, they don't want you to know that they don't want you to. Engage with them. They don't want you to recognize. That they're supporting these candidates because of their gun agenda. What they're actually what they're doing is they're running ads. Making it seemed like they care about healthcare issues in the like in trying to make these candidates seem rather moderate. But the reality is that they're not moderate. And this group these groups are not moderates. These are gun control groups who need these candidates to get elected to enact gun control. But they also know that you're not a big fan of gun control. They know that you are not one of those you. You're not one of those people. that. Really believes that the government needs to be taken away your guns and so what they're doing is they're trying to pitch these candidates while also keeping quiet on the issue of guns. So you need to be mindful when you see these ads what's going on? You need to be mindful when you see these ads. That they're lying to you. You need to be mindful when you see these ads. That they're really genuinely focused. On. Guns. It's striking to me that we're at this point of this country particularly because of the number of new gun owners in the country. That they can't actually when they run the stuff, they can't actually be honest with you with what's going on They can't be honest with you and what they support because they don't want you. To know they WANNA. Take away your guns, they don't want you to know. That that's really what it's all about. And when you see these commercials from these groups like every town and others they've got some very innocuous names that are pushing when you see them be mindful of that. Be Mindful of the fact that this is what's going on here is is were seeing groups that are being put forward. And these groups are. Not telling you that they're they won't gun control they're telling you that they're about healthcare and women's rights, and what it really is these groups fueled by Mike Bloomberg and others who really want to take your guns way. And that there had to do it in that level of mendacity, really should be something that bothers all of you pay attention. You're going to start seeing a lot of these ads in the next couple of weeks. It is Eric Erickson here. Welcome back a yes. You can call in I'm very happy to have you call in I real quick. Can I just note that? The braves are well, they're making us happy and the Falcons are doing to be the falcons and that's disappointing. Was the score for the Falcons. The falcons loss to the packers last Monday the final score was thirty to sixteen. Thirty to sixteen Yeah. Yeah Fun Thirty Two sixteen that we're not surprised. Are We? It's like the only thing in twenty twenty that's not unexpected. I mean we would really know that we had gone through some sort of black hole alternate universe if the Falcons were suddenly like winning constantly, it's it's very upset and yeah, I know but he might me right now the braves are set us up for heartbreak I. Know I know but you know I mean I at least right now we get some winds from them. So tonight with the vice. President Debate Philip is telling me that I'm doing a livestream which I didn't know. I was doing but I'm apparently doing a livestream on my front porch for the president for the vice presidential debate. Uh So y'all can follow along on facebook and instagram tonight if you want and I'll give you play by play color commentary kind of like mystery science theater three, thousand air whatever if you're familiar with it now let's go to the phones Scott from Atlanta is calling Scott Welcome to the program. How are you? I'm good Eric. How are you today? I'm good. What's going on? So I've got a question for and I would like you I didn't go to the President I went libertarian in two point sixteen. I'm leaning towards him now but my sense is east coast. And that brings up the question. What happens? To the Republican Party post trump whether that's next year or in four years. Do we go back to the to the Bush era where you just treat in a Bush Ford or? Somebody else pick up the mantle in what does it look like? Because my sense is the nation demographically has turned and early you know there's the Republican Party is always tried to be more inclusive. Is there an opportunity to do so in who takes the lead in? What is the message me and? Such a great question I I've wondered a lot about this myself. Let let let's let's say you know regardless. So if the president wins the election he's only got four more years and within two years, you'll start to see the party moving forward. If he loses though what happens immediately and my suspicion is it depends on how badly he loses. if the president I mean I'm not GonNa lie to you guys. If the polling is right and a lot of people say, no, it's overstated in. Let's just take the worst case scenario. The polling is right. It's it's Joe Biden landslide and the Republicans are going to lose more seats in the house. They're probably GONNA lose some state legislatures and they're probably going to lose the Senate and that within cost them a decade probably trying to get the house back due to redistricting and some state legislatures and I think if the president were to lose like that, you would see a repudiation among the Republican Party of the idea of trumpism. Whatever that is in what I would define it as as is populism ahead of conservatism right now, the Republican Party has largely rejected a lot of the conservative positions they've had, and they're calling their new positions conservative even though they're really not the opposition to free trade the the the explosive growth of government, a massive debt spending of these sorts of things really aren't the fiscal conservative things they've. Had their certainly still socially conservative. There's just not fiscally conservative and I think. You would probably see some of that rain and suddenly deficits and debt would matter again to Republicans but the media would laugh them off because of the last four years the closer win or lose if it's close, I think what you're going to see is the party is going to have to figure out how do we find a new messenger? Who can balance what the president stood for and everyone will interpret it differently. With a governing coalition that can advance the Republican Party. And so you'll see people try to step into the void. You'll see Nikki Haley try to step into the void. You'll see Josh, how from Missouri step into the void. You'll see Tom Cotton from Arkansas stepped into the void. You'll probably see rod the Santa's of Florida step into the void. You'll see Doug Ducey of Arizona step into the void. You may actually even see David Purdue from here at Georgia stepped into the void I don't think you'll see Brian Kemp and each of them will take what they see as trumpism. And try to wrap it around a conservative populace message. The thing that people does that make sense to you. It does it does I. My concern is that you get painted as still the Old White Guy Party. Oh Yeah. Yeah. Listen and and that's why I think. The Republican Party is going to need to look to people like Tim Scott and Bobby Jindal Nikki Haley and and they can say, well, it should be the ideas that matter the color skit. Yes, it should. But we don't live in that world we live in a world where. It actually does matter and if you can find a white person frankly to advance a lot of the president's agenda, you immediately get past the media tar and feathering of that person is a racist that you would not get past because this is the thing that that we've got understand is the media is now completely in the tank for not just the Democrats but stopping anything that resembles trump in the future. there is a deep hostility, the press to that, and the best way for the GOP to combat. That is to actually look at the people skin color and We may have the idea I I have a visceral dislike of the idea that we should pick someone based on the color of their skin because that seems to me to be an. Anesthetic to the ideas of Conservatives and Republicans. Party in American values. We should judge people by the content of the character the problem though it's I'm GonNa let you go there. So you can listen listen to the show streaming or or on your local radio station th. The problem there though is that so much of the American public at this point does do that. That the Republicans. Probably, you're going to have to consider doing that fine someone who can carry the message. Who Doesn't look like the state message carrier of the GOP. And that throws off the narrative it. It's really hard to pay for example, Tim Scott. As Racist. Or Nikki Haley Bobby Gentle that they'll certainly try There are others as well So let's just let let's play this out a little more. So so Scott's question was what happens if the president loses what happens to the? Republican Party will Lee you don't really have to say if he loses because if he wins he's term limited in you're gonNA have to have these conversations anyway if the president wins I think you will certainly have more embrace. of you'll you'll have more embrace of the president's agenda that if he loses but here's the other thing to keep in mind. There are a lot of establishment Republicans in Washington who have never liked donald trump to begin with. And they've got along for the ride because it's their way to stay in power. And, they will work very, very hard. To. undermine the president's legacy if he loses. And they will work very very hard to undermine the core supported the president's base and they will do. So even if it means the Republican, party is not viable for another eight years. Because they believed that the president is obliged on the country that don't they don't want to say it. They believe that the president supporters aren't really true Republicans even if they don't want to admit it and they will work to undermine all those people. And that's going to matter as well. But. The president's supporters have people, Josh Hawley and Tom Cotton who recognize that these people have legitimate grievances with what Washington DC did to them and how Washington DC treated them, and they can't be casually dismissed as racist. You know I've got friends who generally believed that if you're support the president, you're racist and a bigot, and there are certainly racists bigots out there but they're not they're not the people who are going to sweep the president back into office there aren't enough of them. There are people around this country who have seen democratic and Republican policy screw them out of jobs and out of economic success and ruined their schools and their word for the kids and the word for themselves and the word for the future and Donald Trump gave them a reason to sporting. And the president through manufactory through deregulation through an American I policy has helped these people. Get back into the game or at least believed that there's a politician who supports them and I suspect that the Republican politician who wins in the future is going to be the one who does that again Who shows these people that you know? Washington has rejected you but I have it. Back to go mike all in from baking you're going to be next. Welcome Mike. Hey Eric. I just wanted to call. Hello sorry did I. Know I Sorry. I wanted to call I first thing to things Scott the president's GonNa win. So and I say basically you you voted Libertarian and even you are looking at the country thinks things that are so crazy that you're saying you know what we gotta go back this way because you know we need it but anyway so he's GonNa win don't let the polls get you down in my question to you eric is that According to the polls which I believe are designed to shape opinion. They're not actually trying to get opinion they to guide you Joe Biden supposed to win forty nine states as they stand right now it's such he's strong and so powerful and everybody thinks like him that he's GonNa. Win. Forty nine states. You actually think that you believe that and I saw that on a couple different talk shows I won't mention names and stuff where they talked about different polls that show right now that's how intense his lead is that no, no, no no it show what I do is just so you know Mike. So I always rely on the realclearpolitics polling average I think it's The gold standard for pulling averages because the guys who are run realclearpolitics, they do lean center right compared to a lot of the news outlets, and so I take them and they've got on the map right now if the election were held today based on the polling averages inside each state there are still a hundred eighty, seven electoral college votes up for grabs. Of the President Right now was guaranteed a lock on one hundred twenty-five Joe Biden is guaranteed a lock on two, hundred, twenty six. Now, you've got to keep in mind there that that because California's fifty five and New York has twenty. Nine. Illinois has twenty and the like but there are a number of of wildcard states. Let me give you the the hundred eighty seven. While where the polling is tied between the President and Joe Biden essentially That is Pennsylvania Florida Wisconsin Michigan Ohio North Carolina Georgia Iowa Nevada Arizona. Texas. Maine. Maine's congressional district's second Nebraska's second crucial district. Here's what I would say if I actually looked at the Poland and I wanted to push the lead here's what I would do. I. Think the president. Wins Florida. let me go to to seventy two, win to seventy two win is one of the great gold standards right now and it has biden at to it's nine and and trump at at one, sixty, three, you need to seventy two win. It's pushing people into columns and so he'd already shows that Joe Biden would win based on the Electoral College I think that the President Wins Florida I think he wins Georgia I, think he was North Carolina I. Think he wins Ohio I think he wins Iowa I think he wins Nebraska's second. Congressional district. And I think he wins Maine's second congressional district and I think that sort of stuff does matter for for main I think. In that case the way it would shape up for the electoral college. If you take realclearpolitics at its at its at its face or not realclearpolitics at this point, we're taken to seventy two win. If you take two seventy win given the polling right now if you were to push them. You've got Joe Biden is at two eighty, eight in Donald. Trump is at two fifty, which means Joe Biden's the winter but. If Wisconsin goes to the president because of the events in Kenosha and and black lives matters all that. It is Joe Biden at two, Seventy, eight and Donald trump to sixty. If Arizona goes to the president instead of Joe Biden as rooker politics or as as two seven win calls it. They're giving it to Joe Biden if it goes to donald trump because it hasn't gone Democrats as Nineteen ninety-six Then suddenly it's to seventy one donald trump and he wins. If Arizona actually does stay with Joe Biden and there's actually a lot of compelling polling that Joe Biden is ahead there and again take as you wish. But let's look at Pennsylvania. If the president wins Pennsylvania, suddenly the president's at two eighty. And the president is one. The president can lose Michigan. The president can lose Arizona. THE PRESIDENT CAN LOSE MINNESOTA. The president could lose New Hampshire. The president could even in that case lose Maine's second. Congressional district. And the president would still be president he would get reelected. The. Wild cards in the state right now, the tossups though if you take just based on the polling. And again, it is the polling you can disagree with the Pauline. But if you believe that the poet is designed to lead people, then you need to understand that it might actually be effective in leading people and if so you gotta give Joe Biden some credit there but. As the election stands right now based on the polling if you push them. To ear, you're not really tied and you're not really within a percentage point, your two percent or more out. Than Joe, Biden probably has electoral college advantage right now. But you gotTa keep in mind there twenty seven days left in the bulk voting is still going to happen election day. That's why I'm not really concerned about the early voting. I'm not really concerned about the the absentee voting no, gosh is going to be three weeks before we I don't think it's going to be that way actually think we'll have the really good sense of who won on election night I. Don't think it will be a super long night one way or the other When you look at the remembered Pennsylvania, the Republicans are crushing it with registration voter registration. You gotTA. Remember the Georgia Stacey Abrams did that twenty eighteen of those people that up can the Republicans in Pennsylvania get those people to turn up if so then the president has got to have a good night Pennsylvania if the president if we know early on that, the president loses Pennsylvania election night, we probably know Joe Biden's getting elected president. But. We may not know that for awhile it's probably going to be close and the president has one advantage over the Democrats right now, his team is doing door to door knocking on doors, vice? President Biden's team says it doesn't matter. Yes it does it always has always will. And they need to keep doing it. And if the Republicans, keep it up. The president of a very good night on election night. Hello there it is Eric Erickson here. The phone number is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric, eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. Oh. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry I'm I'm I'm looking at. Every yeah, I. So you know we started the show in the first hour with. The governor and Kathleen to me at a press conference which kind of threw off everything I was going to talk about one thing that I I fundamentally. Need to talk about. It event Halen his died you know twenty twenty can go. Itself Yeah yes. Yes. This whole year. he sixty nine years old at event Halen died. So I read this incredible story if you know Michael Jackson's beat it. That Michael. Jackson was in studio in Eddie. Van. Halen was there and Michael Jackson had to leave for a while to go to an event across the street. It was a charitable event and came back to finish working on the song and while he was gone van Halen in just a matter of minutes had completely rearranged the music and beat it to make it what it is today and wasn't sure if if Michael Jackson would like it or not. And he did and thanked him for for putting the music ahead of of anything else. We just I mean, really made song he he was a musical genius. Absolutely, musical genius. what what a what an what a guy is there been a number of of people out there. That are worth remarking upon who have died this year. But man him yesterday I, saw that thought gosh he wasn't that old. So now you know I'm I'm at forty five now. I'm suddenly thinking guys like that. You're. You're not that old I. Mean when I was a kid, I would've thought manning should of days but now no, not really not really just anyway frustrating. The other thing is so we've got a sick kid home from school today and which isn't a self news but I. I mentioned this little bit yesterday and I've been flooded with. US. From. Parents. From. Yesterday that everyone is seeing the same phenomenon as our kids go back to school. They are getting so sick. And none of them have the virus. none of them have the virus. They have other viruses and bugs. A my kids have had multiple sicknesses since school started. And they're not alone It seems like every and my my guess is that the kids were not to get they have been together since March I everybody's been kinda socially isolated since March and so now they're suddenly back in school and all the bugs they would in March and April and May and June July and August come September October. They're just they're getting them all at once and it is driving me crazy which. is another reason to be mindful of the fact that you and your kids should as well continue your sanitation protocols a, which is a fancy way of saying, make sure your kids are washing their hands covering their mouth with a golf. I just it's. It's crazy the the level of sickness to, and of course, everybody's freaked out like for example, the weather has changed and whenever the weather changes and it gets a little cooler. I get a little congested, my Rocus l'amour raspy I get a call of the. I have the virus I've been where to get the virus know anybody who has the virus haven't come into contact with the virus did it spontaneously did? Did I get spontaneously infected on the fly? There's no, it's just it's the weather change in every body right now just seems to be freaking Oh my gosh, you have golf do you have the virus? was talking to for the other day. He's he's got. He's got a call. He's been wearing masks he had to get on an airplane. And he had a cough. and. It's totally it's this time of year. It's allergies he's got red is he's got congestion. He's got a cough. It is a hundred percent seasonal allergies and the flight attendant came up to him and and was concerned in and wanted to take temperatures like you could take my temperature. But it is. It's it's allergies. And he just he was afraid he was going to get thrown off the plane for coughing on the plane in heaven having allergies this has happened to so many people. 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Tax Revenue is actually surging in the state and that really isn't a bad thing It's not a bad thing because it means that people are buying and selling Georgia officials released a report Tuesday showing a three point six percent drop in tax collections in September, but that doesn't actually tell the story. The state distributed an extra two, hundred, forty million dollars in tax money to local governments because of reporting errors that dated back to two thousand fifteen. If you take out the one time payment state tax collections for September. We're actually up seven percent from this time last year. which is was about six months before the pandemic struck. So you've got more tax revenue collected in Georgia this sip timber then last September and it marked the third strong revenue month in a row for the state, which is seen an uptick despite the continuing battle with covid. Now, concerns remain about the fiscal situation. For the first quarter of the fiscal year, which began July first, collections were up three hundred, sixty, five, million dollars or about six point three percent that's better than predictions in the spring when officials were predicting billions of dollars in lost revenue. In June lawmakers approved a budget cut spinning my two point, two billion dollars most agencies took a ten percent cut but the governor's remain relatively optimistic that the state will see a quick recovery from Cova de told state agencies they wouldn't have to endure more budget cuts. In fact, agencies have requested more than seven hundred million dollars more in new spending next year. Now, the administration I think they're right in this that they're crediting the decision to open up the state in April. The gross sales tax take in September was up four point two percent suggesting a decent gain in the consumer economy. Individual Income Tax collections were up eleven point two percent in September that game was largely due to increase tax withholdings on income. Now, the federal government has also done some supplemental income or supplemental unemployment insurance and the like. So we're actually doing a really good job here in Georgia. The governor's management of the state. He's got a compelling reelection message already and he's two years away from running for reelection. But. It's a good message. I don't think it can be overstated enough that Brian Kemp when he reopened the state of Georgia, the end of April, was badly maligned by a great many people. Actually in the Press Democrats locally, even some Republicans even the president of the United States was concerned. But the real world data following his reopening of the state shows that not only did Georgia well handling the virus until Memorial Day parties in the protesters. But we're now leading the nation in a decline in the virus. And we're also seen significant increases in tax revenue that is generated through economic activity in the and that's the important part here. It's the part that you really need to focus on. We're talking mostly about sales tax revenue. And because we're talking about sales tax revenue, we're talking about economic activity generated tax revenue people are buying stuff. And with her buying stuff, they're paying that sales tax. And compared to last year were up seven percent. But also with the economic losses and the job losses were still seeing an increase in income tax revenue. In, Georgia that suggests that our economy is rebounding at a good clip, it suggests that our economy is actually in a better position than many of the states that have prolonged their shutdowns and including many of the Republican states that reopened but did so later than Georgia. It also suggests something else seems to get missed by a great many people. And I think it is super important for us to pay attention to. We are in a situation in the state of Georgia. Where a great many people? Questioned the governor's policies. Out of partisan gain. And questioned the governor's policies. Because they themselves were afraid that something like this could happen. There are people who wanted to talk down the economy. And there are people who wanted to talk down the governor. And they wanted to do so. Because they're looking not just at twenty twenty they're looking at twenty, twenty two. The Democrats in the state have been downright nasty to the governor. For wanting to reopen the state. The national media, read headlines about Georgia's experiment in human sacrifice. The state of Georgia never got overwhelmed with cove nineteen patients certainly saw a rise. Suited. Everywhere else in the nation. After Memorial Day the protesters. Not when the governor reopen the state not for month after the governor reopened the. State. But he's done. Good. and. He deserves credit and there will be people who still refuse to WanNa give him any credit. There are still people who will refuse to acknowledge his leadership are still people who to refuse to say anything nice about the governor. But the record speaks for itself now. Income tax, revenue, up? Sales tax revenue. Up. Economic activity up. Record. record growth an in industry at the Savannah. Port. Flight activity coming back to her steal Jackson online. Every sign out there right now also, by the way, seven percent unemployment, which is high but down significantly from where it was a few months ago, jobs are coming back. People are coming back to. This sort of stuff matters and you're not GonNa get this coverage in the national press about Georgia you got a ton of national press about the state of Georgia when the governor reopened the state and all the people say just just give it time everybody's GonNa die. We never maxed out hospital capacity. We never maxed out ICU capacity. We never we never maxed out ventilators. We never had any of those things the governor's task force proactively move resources around the state as needed. They proactively move sign hospital patients to ICU capacity around the state is needed. They make sure that hospitals had plenty of resources made local major local governments had resources they've allowed schools to reopen. They've helped manage the outbreaks in schools. They've done all of these things in the results speak for themselves and notice there's no apology still for Brian Kemp notice no one is out there. Now say you know what we were wrong and you're right But. The bottom line is they were wrong and he was right and Georgia, is rebounding one of the fastest rebounds in the nation in terms of the economy and every single person in Georgia should be thanking Brian Guilt for his decisions. No the governor did not fly around the state demanding that you wear a mask and an imposing mandates on you but he flew around the state and told you you should do the right thing this morning he had a press conference he advised several things get a flu shot and where your mask wash your hands and keep your distance. Those kind of no brainer things that you can and should do some of you will quibble with. The the Flu Vaccine I'm not gonNA argue with you about the flu vaccine I will tell you that if you get the flu. And you go a hospital and there is a covert resurgence as a lot of people expect You're going to be a world of hurt if you got go to the hospital, most of you will be able to manage it fine. If your senior citizen, you should get the flu in the pneumonia shot. At your kid the the vaccine do it. Because we don't need those overwhelmed if there's a covert resurgence and to the extent that you do what you need to do you help the situation and that's something else that is missed in this conversation and it is so important. Do you know the governor of the state. The president of the United States. The mayor of your city. Your County Commission chairman. Dr. The CDC, in the National Institutes of health none of them can prevent you from getting covert nineteen. If you listen to the media, you would think they could, but they can't. The person who can stop you from getting Covid nineteen is you? And it requires you to exercise. Individual Responsibility. For yourself and for your neighbors. It requires you to understand that in any community you've got rights and privileges, and you also have responsibilities. In one of your responsibilities is to behave like a responsible citizen to make sure that you don't get the virus or if you do get the virus, you don't spread it to other people. And the governor's message around the State Brian Kemp message around Georgia what he's flown around with the surgeon general with Dr to me with others has always been I'm not GonNa make you do this. We're not going to arrest you if you're not wearing a mask. But you absolutely should wear mask. It is the right thing to do and we know it works. I continue to see people. Who say it doesn't work or it makes it worse or causes other problems. But survey after survey of people in the state show. Real world surveys that people actually have stepped up and they are wearing masks. I go to my local public's right now to grocery shop overwhelmingly. People are wearing masks. I go out and about in Atlanta. Would I'm at my office? And overwhelmingly people wear masks. I go out and about here in making an overwhelmingly people wearing masks. People are doing what they need to do people are responsible. The government is not going to stop you from getting a virus. You're going to stop yourself and you're going to help other people not get it by doing what you need to do. One of the things that teachers gripe about every year or the parents who give their kids medicine in the morning to cover up symptoms, and then send their kids off to school. So the parents can break go to work. One of the things that that schools are pushing very hard right now, and that parents are actually internalized accepting your kid has the sniffles. Unless you're sure it's allergies if your can as the sniffles, keep him home. And overwhelmingly, that's happening. Overwhelmingly people are stepping up without the government forcing them to do it. You know with the government has to force you to do the right thing. You can no longer be a free people. Being a free people requires not that you be the heard or be brainwashed or that you live in fear or that you're putting on a mask out of fear or anything like that. It requires you as a citizen to be responsible and be neighborly, and oftentimes that requires you to exercise a level of self control. The responsibility that the government shouldn't have to mandate and win the government does mandate it you and I both know the government is going to overplay their hand and go overboard with the government always goes overboard with it. Here in Georgia. Overwhelmingly People are stepping up. There are a lot of people who think it's a hoax there a lot of people because overstated there are a lot of people who has no big deal but even a lot of people. Are Stepping up. And do what they need to do. The national media and even the Atlanta media. has attacked the governor of the state constantly for not demanding enforcing a mandate on masks. Always done is told you to do the right thing. He's not going to rest you. He's not gonNA ticket you. GonNa find you. She's not going to bully. You just do the right thing. And people are doing the right thing. They're not requiring local mandates. Just doing the right thing. And the results speak for themselves. Georgia's economy is rebounding people are going back to work income tax revenue is up sales tax revenue is up and the virus continues to recede in the state of Georgia even a schools reopened and kids are back in school. We're not seeing the massive spikes after Labor Day we're not seeing any of the stuff everyone said would happen because Brian Kemp was governor not foreseen where mask we're seeing all the right things happening that has a lot to do. With you not him. But he's getting the blame. And if he's going to get the blame, you gotta give him some credit. Hello there it is. Eric you're extending the phone number. Here is eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, Eric Eight, seven, seven, nine, seven, three, seven, four to five. I Joe Biden spoke yesterday. Here's some of his speech. Good. Nor normal. I made the decision to run for president. After Charlottesville. Closure is. Remember what you saw. Neo Nazis. White supremacist. And the K. K. K. coming out of the fields with torches lighted. Veins Bulgy. Chanting the same antisemitic bile hurt across Europe in the thirties. It was hate on the march. In, the open. In America. Hate never goes away. It only hides. And when it's given oxygen. When it's given the opportunity to spread. When it's treated as normal and acceptable behavior. We've opened a door in this country. That we must move quickly to close. As president that's just what I will do. I will send a clear unequivocal message to the entire nation. There is no place for hate in America. I'll be giving, it will be given no license they'll be given. No oxygen. It'll be given no safe harbor. That was Joe Biden. He spoke at Gettysburg. That's why I play this in. Give this remember when the president. Suggested he might accept. The Republican nomination from Gettysburg. The collective freak out. From the media that he might go to Gettysburg that that it would be divisive and and and I it would just it would remind people of the confederacy. This again. Is a double standard by the media and it's worth pointing out the double standard by the media. It is worth pointing out that the media picks winners and losers and it is worth pointing out that. Joe Biden gave the speech and everyone gave him a pass on doing a Gettysburg But the media is deeply insistent that the president of the exact same thing it would be a champion white supremacy. No matter what he said if the president went to Gettysburg and he read mathematical formulas, the media would accuse him of chanting white supremacy using white supremacist rhetoric. And No, no buzzer outrage there now, something else here. But before we get to the I wanNA talk about any amy coney Barrett because there are new attacks on her today I had Ted Cruz on yesterday when he was talking about in in overnight he was on I think was Sean Hannity I I can't remember who was on with but nonetheless, he was talking about the NBA I don't know if you've seen but people are suddenly tired of all the politics within the they're tired of politics in sports in general, but it's really affecting the NBA I love watching the NBA I'm a diehard Houston Rockets Fan I've been to since I was a little kid and I think it's painful watching what the NBA, what they're doing right now because they're they've essentially decided that half their fans are idiots and racist and they're just going to insult them and they're going to lecture them and when you watch an NBA game now it's just the announcers are engaged in political tirades the whole time and at as the article on Hannity Dot Com said that the. First Three Games of the NBA finals are the three lowest watched NBA Finals Games in history, and half the fans are saying. All right. If you're going to insult me too heck with you I'm going to go do something else. You know of the NBA wanted to do something really positive to make a difference in the African American community rather than supporting a Marxist organization like black lives matter that's trying to abolish police departments, which endangers black communities. It be great to see NBA coaches and players raising money for school choice for scholarships for low income African American Kids Hispanic kids that could make a real difference but that doesn't fit with with their social justice agenda sadly. It doesn't and people are burnt out y'all I I'm I'm tired of wealthy athletes lecturing us on the badness of the United. States. I just I mean play ball or don't. It reminds me back in the day when George Bush was president and you had all these these printing singers onstage and starting with dixie chicks and people just yell at them shut up and sing. And I kind of feel the same way here I don't need NBA stars who are making lots of money from China that is rounding people up and putting them in concentration camps lecturing us on bad. The United States is when it comes to people's rights I I don't need the preening lecturing from multi millionaires and billionaires on this stuff he get. One reason so many people have gravitated back towards college sports right now in college football right now as you're not getting the level of preening for most of the college athletes that you're getting from the very well paid professional athletes in this country from the NFL to the NBA. Baseball itself to some degree seems more immune to it. Just the way they're playing games but come on people we don't need the lectures just WanNa. Watch the game reminder reminder tonight I'll be live streaming from my front porch the vice presidential debate from nine to ten thirty. Then I gotta be on radio from ten thirty to midnight taking people's calls. So it'll be a busy busy day of radio for me You can tune in on facebook or instagram. That's where we're going to be streaming live at e w Ericsson on either whether you can follow me all over social media and Eric. now. To talk about any coney Barrett because there are more attacks on her coming. And you've got Democrats now on defense over whether or not they want to scrap the filibuster to pack the court to get there though I wanNA start with bill calling from Woodstock, Bill Welcome to the program. Hey, thanks for taking my call help I'll have to watch the I'll have to watch your life dream of a debate that should be interesting. The other night I don't know. I'll do my best. I feel the president's pain I think he's deflated at this point of he's frustrated and he's Four years trying to fix Washington and Arguably didn't succeed in doing what he wanted to do and he he may be ready to go back to private life. If Amy Tony Barras confirmed though That's what he was elected for in two thousand sixteen and I think it'll be. A victory for the. Conservative movement. Because if You know arguably would swing the court the right direction but then after two years of Biden, do you think? We might see A. Reverse course people coming back in a revival of some sense into conservative values. You know right now. Go ahead well, I kinda do listen I in the off year elections. You do tend to see the voter swing back the other way. The concern is this if the Democrats were able to pick up some state legislatures can redraw congressional districts to keep them in a competitive advantage for a decade. and. That's the concern but at the same time you, you may see governor swing back. You still may see some of them. I mean you know lsu do really really aggressive gerrymandering in this country like the Democrats claim they're opposed to, but they're not really If you just draw the most reasonable districts, the Republicans actually have an advantage in most of the states now. People tend to forget that by and large Republicans actually outside of the coastal states and some of the major urban states Republicans do have some competitive advantages when it comes to redraw district and winning statewide If there is a if there was antagonism towards the president that hurts him. Then, you will probably see a rebound without him towards the GOP in twenty, twenty, two I do think the wind is at Joe Biden's back right now and I think most Republican strategists think so as well but we all do have to keep in mind that today four years ago is the day the access. Hollywood. Tape dropped. today four years ago is the day that the F. B. I. started releasing Hillary Clinton emails If you really want a strong sense of what's going on out there right now, just consider this Joe Biden in each of the States Hillary Clinton was ahead in in twenty sixteen was actually only ahead is only ahead by a point or so consider this Donald Trump won Florida in two thousand sixteen. And Hillary Clinton on this day in two thousand sixteen was ahead two point five points. Joe. Biden's only up three point four points in Pennsylvania on this day in two thousand Sixteen Clinton was up five point seven points Joe Biden's up six point, six points in Michigan. For Hillary, was up seven Joe Biden's up seven in Wisconsin. Hillary was up six Joe Biden's up six. North Carolina Hillary's up one point seven, zero by a two point one. So there is still time for this race to shake out. Well I. Need a little hope because right now I'm feeling like with the pandemic feeling like that post your child for your recovery group you advertise for. Lots of lots of drinking, lots of frustration with politics frustrating pandemic I. AM happy for Georgia football being back to that was quite a surprise Saturday night and I appreciate the work for doing keep. Bill I. Appreciate it so much. Thank you. Thank you very much There is reason for hope if you're a Republican listen I I, I talked to a lady I talked to a ton of Republican strategist right now around the country and all of these states and they all tell me they feel like something has changed that the trend lines are towards Joe Biden but when you actually look at the polling data. You actually have to realize that Again, let me give you the actual precise numbers from this time for years ago to this time now. All of these are states Donald Trump won in two, thousand, sixteen but today actually yesterday October six, twenty, sixteen, Clint was up two point five and Florida. Joe Biden is up three point four in Florida. Pennsylvania, Hillary's up five point seven Joe Biden's up six point six in Michigan Hillary's ups was up seven Joe. Biden was up seven point three. In Wisconsin Hillary was up six point, six Donald Trump for Joe. Biden is up six point nine in North Carolina up one point seven Joe. Biden's up two point one. Donald Trump won all of those states. He won all of those states. and. Yet Hillary was up seven in Michigan six point six and Wisconsin Joe Biden's up seven point three in Michigan six point nine in Wisconsin. there. There's still a path forward for the President and you've got to be mindful of that fact that while Republican strategists believe something has happened on the ground believed that there are Trinh lines for Joe Biden you also have to keep in perspective where we were this time for years ago. Today is the day the Access Hollywood tape dropped and today is the day that the F. B. I. started releasing documents related to Hillary. Clinton. The email server. By the way today was a Friday for years ago. Of course, came out on a Friday. Now, let's get amy something else where Democrats could overplay their hand. Here's Mitch McConnell or we've been up against covert since May. We've had numerous hearings remotely with senators calling an remotely occasionally witnesses remotely I think the nominee will be there in person some members the committee may choose to To be remote we've been dealing with this since May all of a sudden it's become disabling. This is just another effort to try to delay. The process on this outstanding Supreme Court nominee that the president has sent up to the Senate Yup I. Listen they're trying to delay and I don't think they're going to be able to delay. Meanwhile, The Washington Post is now running the handmaid's tale story of the Christian group people appraise. Let this is a three note thought it was three women but it's it's two women man at the Washington Post listed this while Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett has faced questions about how her Catholic face faith may influence her jurisprudence. She has not spoken publicly about her involvement in of praise a small Christian group founded in the nineteen seventies and based in south. Bend. INDIANA. Barrett Federal Appellate Judge has disclosed serving on the board of a network of Private Christian schools affiliated with the group. The organization however has declined to confirm that she is a member in recent years it removed from its website additions of the people of Praise magazine I, those that included her name and photograph, and then all archives of the magazine itself. Barrett has had an active role in the organization as her parents according to documents and interviews that help fill out a picture of her involvement with the group that keeps its teachings gatherings private. A Twenty Ten people appraised directory states that she held the title of handmade a leadership position for women in the community according to a directory expert obtained by The Washington Post also while in law school Barrett lived at the South Bend home of people appraises influential co founder Kevin ran again and his wife Dorothy who together helped establish the group's male dominated heirarchy and view of gender roles. The group was one of many to grow out of the charismatic Christian Movement, which sought a more intense in communal religious experience by embracing such practices shared. Faith. He lied and speaking in Tongues Barrett's ties to the group which has conservative stances on the role of women in society and other social issues did not come to light until after she was questioned by senators considering her nomination to the US Court of Appeals for the seventh circuit. In two thousand, seventeen senators are preparing to question her next week over her nomination to the court. Berretta said the judges are not policymakers and she does not impose her personal convictions on the law responding to questions about Barrett's membership people praising her tenure as handmade Sean Connolly spokesman for the group said like any religious communities people praise leaves it to its members to decide whether to publicly disclose their involvement. White House spokesman John Deere called Barad Independent jurists the title of handmade was adopted by people praise in reference to the biblical description of Mary as the handmade of the Lord according to the group former members include art Wang a member from the late seventeen, Eighty S. Until two, thousand, fifteen told the Post handmaid's now known as women leaders. Well this is scandalous. They. The the women leaders, the handmaid's they give advice to other women on issues like child rearing and marriage. But the role did not carry authority equivalent to positions held by mid in the group's warm layer arche for the former members said the communities led by overall coordinator and a board of governors they oversee coordinators of each brands across the country who in turn oversee. Coordinators of areas within the branches in twenty ten Barrett was one of three n maids in the south been branches northwest area. Barrett's position was in keeping with her family's prior service in the community her mother Linda Coney served in the New Orleans branch as a handmade and her father Michael Cohen let the branch is principal coordinator. Oh Good Gracious The vast majority of the people appraise are Catholic though they're open to all groups at the time, the group was founded. Many denominations looked wearily at groups that adopted different preaching and created insular separate communities. People praise has seventeen hundred members in twenty two cities in the US Canada and the Caribbean. Now. I wonder. Do they do they quote? Do they quote the crazy woman an ad? Bump bump bump scanning. I'm skinning them skin and em skin nope I I don't see a reference because you know there was that woman who made all sorts of wild accusations about the organization who got sued by her husband and lost a defamation suit and a lot of the groups out there are rushing to use that woman's quotes. About the group but NOPE So The Washington Post doesn't fall into, but it took them three reporters. To try to figure this out. Three reporters. To go after. The people praise, and here's the thing. So the the scandal, the scandal. Is that this organization the women dare. To Actually Advise other women on how to raise kids. Instead of households. Can I ask you a question? The the spin from the media on this. Is that This means that she wants women. To live subservient to men I mean that that's essentially the underlying The the underlying allegation here's the she wants women to live subservient to men. That women should stay home and raise the kids. If, that's true. How is it a mother of seven? Was a law professor and then on the DC then on the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the Seva. How is it that this woman subservient to her husband? Did did her husband right her legal opinions? Did her husband picker law clerks. Did her husband director. What to think how did I mean? That's essentially what the press wants you to believe is that we should be vetting her husband. And inquiry into her husband's beliefs I. If this is a woman part of a a Christian Colt, which is how they would essentially describe it. Whose husband is in charge of everything who has to ask her husband's permission then surely he's the one who should show up at the nominations and he's the one who should be questioned and he's the one who's views we need to know except that's not the way it works. And that's not what anyone has found out about her. and. That's not really relevant. There is a growing hostility. A growing hostility. that. People who are committed to their religion? Particularly if they're Christian. Should not. Be In. This is a position. Of Progressive Secularists. Who believe in some capacity that if you are governed by a higher powers morality, you're going to impose that morality in other people. They're completely oblivious to the fact that their morality or immorality they want to impose on people. They hold themselves to a standard different from everyone else. At some point that's going to hurt these white secular atheist who now lead the democratic. Party when it comes to black and Hispanic voters who make up a Democratic Party coalition when they actually do believe in arisen Lord and do believe that they are are committed to scripture. Because as I have mentioned repeatedly including today black and Hispanic voters socially are the most conservative groups in this country. And when you're telling them that they're not allowed to use their faith to guide them if they get into government that's not going to go over well with them, it's not going to go over with a lot of people and here's the problem for the Democrats. Again, let me go full circle from the start of this monologue in Florida at this time in Twenty Sixteen Clinton. Up Two point seven or two point five binds three point four in Pennsylvania was Clinton five point seven now it's Biden. Six point six in Michigan it was Clinton point seven it was Biden seven point three in Michigan it was Clinton six point six in Biden six point nine in north. Carolina it's Clinton one point seven it's by two point one there is great potential still. For the Democrats in the next twenty seven days to overplay their hands on Amy Conybeare, and further alienate Hispanic and black voters and that's one of the things that they are scared of, and when you've got a bunch of senators, all premium for the cameras, you can't really stop them if they decide to go there hello there it is there here exit here the Eric Erickson show across the state of Georgia I want to tell you this hour is sponsored by Romania digital. If you need your website to reach online audience like never before checkout Romania digital, the whole process is handled by their georgia-based professionals and designed for businesses of all sizes. Text. Web. W. E. B. Text Web two, three, three, seven, seven, seven You'll get details back and you'll get a two hundred dollar credit. Thank you to Romania digital for sponsoring this hour of the program. The Democrats are run into some problems on the campaign trail that are still. Tangibly, having to be dealt with Mark Kelly is running in Arizona against Martha mcsally. WHO's not in herself a great candidate and Kelly shelvin a hard time like all the Democrats nationwide dealing with the issue of the filibuster Mr Kelly if you are in fact, elected because the seat replaces late John McCain you could be sworn in as soon as the votes are certified if you are in the Senate, would you support a filibuster to delay the nomination? Well, this this this whole thing indicates how broken Washington is the discussion of of the filibuster. An old senate rule. By the way it's I think it's important for everybody understand that when it came to passing a one point nine trillion dollar tax cuts. For the wealthiest Americans and big corporations at Center Mick, Sally voted for in two thousand seventeen the Senate was okay to go to fifty votes. So they abolish the filibuster for that. They also abolished the filibuster to try to eliminate the affordable care act and those protections for pre existing conditions. Senator Rick Sally was okay with that too. Hey, if this comes up as a discussion if I'm elected to the United States Senate, I will give thoughtful consideration and I'm going to do what's in the best interest of Arizona and our country not what's in the best interest of one political party or the or the other? Not, quite as well. They pushed him again Kelly been a candidate for more than a year. Many people think that you should already have an answer to that question. Why would you not would you be able to hit the ground running on day one if you're still thinking about some We don't know if this is gonNA come up for even a discussion. It might, and if it does I will give thoughtful consideration and I will do what's in the best interest of Arizona and Arizona's and the best interest of our country and not the Republican Party or the Democrat Party and I think it's important to note very important to note that parties in power very law for very long traditional, right it goes from one party to the other and whatever decision is made on. This is going to you're going to have to live with it from being on the other side and I understand that and I will give this thoughtful consideration. In in a way that you know not not what is in the best interest for Democrats or what's in the best interest for Republicans what's in the best interest of Arizona and? He still can't really answer that, and this is this is a question. That more and more people being pushed on including Joe Biden Joe Biden isn't really taken a definitive position this he's come out in the past opposed to the Filibuster, but he's also coming on the past supporting the filibuster. We don't we don't know their position. Let me tell you what I think is going on with the Democrats in the filibuster and why a lot of them won't answer the question. A lot of Democrats right now, they've got to keep the Progressive Base engaged and enthusiastic to show up in November. And so they're talking about we're GONNA we're going to get rid of the filibuster. Whereabouts, the green new deal we're GONNA pack the courts we're GONNA. You're the Heidemarie Fund abortion on demand. Heck we're we're GONNA encouragement to have abortions where we're into all these things. But they actually know behind the scenes that there aren't enough votes in the Senate to do a lot of that stuff. and. If they get rid of the Filibuster, it's going to expose that the Democrats really aren't as united. As. You think they are. The filibuster protects them from the consequences of their actions. and. So they know, for example, Chris Cinema Ona. And Joe Manchin of West Virginia. And, Dianne Feinstein of California and a couple of others apparently behind the scenes are all taken the position that no, we can't actually get rid of the filibuster or or or the progressives would go nuts, and so they don't want it, and so the Democrats are with how they're making all these radical statements of where they're going to be knowing that they're never going to get rid of the filibuster, and so they'll be able to protect themselves and blame the Republicans. In the meantime they'll be able to fire up the democratic base and and say, we are going to do all these things if you get us to take back the Senate. And people aren't paying attention to the votes.

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Episode 214 "What Reality Is This? What Universe Is This?"

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Episode 214 "What Reality Is This? What Universe Is This?"

"Talk every company everybody. How's it going? You agree each native opinion. They are an indigenous information education. Radio show and podcast every week we talk about current affairs related to and from our own native American perspectives. My name is Michael Kicking. Bear guy the other end of this good thing. He is one over. WanNa staying safe out there. Yeah definitely lots of coded news. We are actually. We've got quite a bit of information to share with you guys Big Focus really on on in no offense to the rest of our audience but our native audience native audience members. You'RE GONNA WANNA pay attention to this episode. Today could have got some important information to share regarding the stimulus package but before we do that our usual house cleaning as we like to say how to reach us here on the show if you would like to do so neat to do so we always love hearing from you guys. It's a email hosts with an S. host at native opinion dot Com. Of course you can. 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By logging onto our patron dot com forward slash native opinion site and on our facebook page by clicking on the learn more button. And we do thank you all for listening sharing. I show it really does help us grow and we are growing. We appreciate it because we know times are real tight especially financially with over ninety percent of the nation to work right now so if you are still able to share we appreciate it And other side. It's not always about money on if you wanted to share the show as would so many people home right now You know that's another great way to help us as just let more people know about us and we appreciate that. Thank you thank you thank you absolutely. Thank you very much all right. So it's a big show today guys and some my sinus boring to to some degree But it's it's important. I think for ending country in particular to understand what is now been dubbed the care at its the stimulus bill that was approved in Congress and signed by. You know who else yes exactly so without further ado let me step into this and by all means whether you can come in anytime you always know always do with wisdom keep sometimes less emotion than yours truly and sometimes I taught in a bit of insanity. It's okay good flavor. Good morning to Clinton bathroom chat right now. Yeah so aright so recently again the House and the Senate passed the largest financial countrywide stimulus package now known as the care And this is the biggest stimulus that's ever been done in the United States to date And this is by no means a hype by the mainstream media in terms of the size of the bill two trillion dollars an amount seemingly unfathomable to most Americans certainly used to me. I don't amount of money that I've never seen gold up by the Federal Government in my lifetime anyway The bill of course as we said moment ago was signed by the full in the White House. My word says well yesterday at least wasn't stupid enough to veto it. You know. The details of this bill are rather complex to say the least Everyone is affected by the outbreak. Of course and most are asking the same questions primarily surrounding concerns and employment. An ending country is very much affected by this and in some areas even more severe so in today's episode as we've said Share some information regarding specific areas of the approved care act that pertained to native American tribes in the area of healthcare and tribal economics. Now native opinion attended an online tribal leader townhall coded nineteen and it was attended by over one thousand people Eighteen different native American organizations have been working with allies in Washington to ensure Indian countries inclusion in phase three legislation Aimed at providing corona virus relief and so some of these organizations included the National Congress of American Indians the Indigenous Food Agriculture Initiative. The National Indian Health Board the National Indian Gaming Association Native American Contractors Association and the National Council of Urban Indian health. The town hall itself discussed the Health Economic and governance provisions that these native organizations have been advocating for legislative strategy going forward l. The falling Audio content about to hear come directly from the townhall which was a Webinar. Why because we're all home right and and it tends to run long But we have attempted to shorten some of the segments from the overall two and a half hour. Long Webconference In each segment. That makes up that two and a half hours. was comprised of roughly twenty minutes segments. So we've tried to boil this down so they're sort of bite sized to eight to twelve minutes each we've also We're also not providing highlights from every single area discussed but more so of the larger subjects. The ones that tend to be more pressing at this time We're also going to provide links to some of the full subjects such as healthcare which also includes the slides that were presented in our show notes for this episode. We'll also go out to our facebook page or also on the native opinion Youtube Channel which we haven't been using as much but we will for for this. Our first segment is from one of the lead senators who advocating on behalf of Indian country. That is Senator Martha mcsally. Who REPRESENTS ARIZONA? Senator mcsally is a Republican and a member of the Senate on Indian Affairs Committee and so here was the first part of her opening address. This is going to be in three sections. We're GONNA move to The action in the Senate Most of you none of this late in the night late last night in the Senate and were honored to be joined by Senator Mic Sally She has For those of you. Who Don't know. Senator makes our represents Arizona in the United States Senate before jumping into the Arena she served in the Air Force was at Raina rose to the rank arnel burying us. She's a member of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs and she had a very strong effort. we want to hear about harboring with Senator Danes on report a letter to Senator Mitch. Mcconnell dear colleague letter it really supported in gain country in the Senate debate were appreciative of those efforts And we're especially helpful in having tribe security eight billion dollars in stabilization funds governments in IHS funding for over billion. So we want to hear about men in the Senate difficulties passing the Bill House. Thank you for your efforts in the country. Really appreciate the appreciates it so Senator of Mick Sally absolutely well thank you so much and thanks for that wonderful prayer. I we voted on this at eleven thirty last night. hopped on a plane. I just landed back in Arizona but I wanNA walk through the provision of this bill that we worked on the Senate in a bipartisan way. Over the last Few weeks it sure would have been better to pass on Sunday Delays is certainly not helpful while people are fighting for their lives Our frontline healthcare workers are fighting for needing this protective equipment. Protective Gear and everyday people are losing their jobs their livelihood and and the economic impact of This unprecedented pandemic but we are all in this together. I know there's a lot of fear a lot of uncertainty up out there but I truly believe We will prevail. this is not just a federal effort it's going to be an all of society effort For All of us to get through this and save lives the poor those on the front line for everything you need to save lives What we call flatten the curve. Do our part to flatten the curve. So that our healthcare systems not become overwhelmed. And we're able to save lives and we've got the equipment and the and the treatments being tested But also that we provide immediate and this is the important part urgent and immediate economic relief to people out there so we had a big picture of her on on the pillars of this legislation and then specifically how this impacts native American tribes they have twenty two in Arizona I'm honored to be on the Indian Affairs Committee and fighting for all of you so our main objective because you know it's the federal government and it's not fast so if you're trying to do something new and we saw this actually in the faith to funding flow were. Cdc was providing some funding to Try because that wasn't something usual. It just took a while for that to happen so we wanted to make sure we had mechanisms to quickly get money to people as quickly as possible. Get money in their hands in their checking accounts checks in the mail so that they could get food on the table They could they could meet some basic needs here doing during this This pandemic and the impact that it's having and so one key elevated bill Is a twelve hundred dollars per person. twenty four hundred dollars for a couple of five hundred dollars additional per child Check in the mail from the IRS. As long as you made the low seventy five thousand dollars per person. Last year it phase out up to ninety nine thousand dollars so as a couple as a hundred thousand dollars which is way above the median income so many many people Many tribal members are going to benefit from this Immediate release that we wanted to get swiftly out a through mechanisms the same that were used in two thousand eight So that's the first piece if we wanted to make sure. On any of these pillars there was parody And that and that tribal communities benefiting from our trying to address this holistically so that applies to everybody. The second piece is if somebody is unemployed if they were laid off many people have been laid off. Already We boosted unemployment insurance significantly for four months so in for example in Arizona the maximum anyone can get per. Week is two hundred and fifty dollars. we've plus that up by six hundred dollars so that's eight hundred fifty dollars per week For this four month period to help people who need that assistance again. It's an all of the above. You know make sure we're getting resources quickly to people. So they don't fall into more Insecurity Food Security Health Insecurity while we're addressing that issue together so All those who are laid off from native American communities will also Benefits and that. Those are different numbers in each state but in Arizona. That would be eight hundred fifty dollars. So that's the second piece therapies as we'd actually prefer though that people stay connected to their employer to the maximum possible but so many businesses are shutting down. And as you know pheno. Shut Down Hotel shutdown. We're talking revenue going zero. This is unlike any other economic downturn. We've seen In Our in my lifetime certainly In a very long time I really ever in its uniqueness and so we wanted to quickly get money to businesses so that ideally we can keep employees connected to employers. We think this is very important for obviously. Pay The flowing to employees as ideally. It's better than standing in line to Get unemployment Benefits which often comes with a delay in processing especially when the system is overwhelmed. And it's also important. Just psychologically as people are dealing with the fear for them and their families if they could stay connected and not be wondering. What's GonNa Happen when this is over? Are they going to look for another dog? What is this GonNa look like a societal issue? It's a psychological issue that what we did is we created we got. What's the fastest way to get money to small businesses instead of standing in line for a government Sba Disaster Law which is what we often do after natural disaster. We just thought not fast enough. What we're using existing infrastructure with banks and credit unions around the country. initially There's a subset of all banks and credit unions that are a part of the small business administration. Seven a program. I don't WanNa believe these details. We WanNA use existing infrastructure and then as quickly as possible Treasury Department treasuries going to give guidance to all financial institutions. All banks and credit unions for them to be able to also participate in. The vision was That employers below five hundred fulltime equivalent could go into the bank and I know there's a lot of challenges for You know in tribal areas for where is the closest thing But we didn't want to centralize this to one federal bureaucracy so we wanted to distribute out to existing bank And if they are using the money for payroll and for overhead utilities and other things it is a long quote unquote loan but it will be a one hundred percent forgiven. Loan as long as it's used to people on the payroll And Keith overhead one One way it was described to me as a small business was. We need to hibernate right now. We have no revenue. I had no business. Nothing happening we. We don't want collapsing of this infrastructure and so This is a critical part of this legislation to Keith. Employers connecting forty eight by being able to get access to these forgivable forgiven loan so in the end they will essentially be a grant for keeping people on payroll and for overhead. All right so that's a lot right there. You know quite clear. Any comment brother. Yeah I just have so much. I don't know where to start She said one one thing that really triggered red controlled by the Treasury more indicted more specifically by Steve Mnuchin. I got that from the word. Go putting the money at his hands to control was a big mistake. Something's better than nothing. I just loosely. Threw that out there as a statement because in this particular situation with people out of work something. It's better than nothing but what is criminal. What is pathetic? It's sad when it's cruel is the fact that it's a one time shot for most people with this little call stimulus package face for coming And again there's a lot here to unpack. Don't get don't get me wrong in. These folks have been working endlessly on this Just to be included that that's the other that's the other part that really aggravates the hell. Outta me is if if these eighteen advocacy groups hadn't gotten together. They would have been excluded. We would have been excluded completely absolutely. And so you know it's it's a rock and a hard place at the end of the day because much of what she did say it's also true. You know Everybody is affected by this everybody out of work for the most part with exception of our outstanding healthcare providers who are putting their lives at risk every single day. You know and so it's and it's particularly tough in any country we've got community like not nation who still don't have running water. Imagine trying to deal with this with no water. You're talking about wash your hands right. How okay so you know Yeah it's it's it's a lot hand and so one way that helps where we can is to try to get money into our communities and and seemingly there was even a resistance to that as you'll hear in a moment at least in one particular area of the bill Now next senator describes a provision for smaller tribally-owned casinos and businesses with employees of five hundred people are less as well as money for In Health Service. And a figure of an mazes me to we're throwing a billion dollar figures around now not millions but billions Eight billion dollars for an Economic Stabilization Fund. They called it for for tribes. So here's this part. When we first saw to legislate legislative draft of from the Small Business Task Force working on this We were concerned. That casino tribal casinos and hotels. Under five hundred Would not It would you know this wouldn't apply to them that we wanted that parity so this is included in my letter with Senator Danes all of these things were in our letter. But we're also working around the clock behind the scenes Senator Senator to make sure that specific language with added in that section So that it was very clear that there's parody for tribal entity of five hundred employees below and. I'm happy to report that. We successfully got that language in there and this provision will apply There's a third element of Of BUSINESSES ARE ENTITIES. That are bigger than five hundred employees. There's this five hundred billion dollar That is loans are trying to just provide liquidity Cash flow is the issue for many businesses to try to incentivize them to keep people on the payroll to the Max extent possible until we get on the other side of this and we defeat this disease which we will we will defeat disease and we will prevail but we needed to provide US support this cash flow support so that the other five hundred billion we also made sure that the that was in there was going to allow for tribal entity for Tinos and and other tribal total entities. That are over. Five hundred employees This deal is a significant influx of resources. To our frontline warriors. Like I've I've been to different kinds of war myself toys times. People are always thanking us for our services. I'm grateful for in this war. It's our nurses. Are Doctors. Everybody working at our health care facilities even the lights on keeping things running our first responders. They are these heroes on the front lines and they need right now. Testing Kit math youns ventilators Hospital bed capacity increase You name it across the board You you've seen and we've we've had many conference calls with our lives in Arizona and we know across Tribal country and across The hospital infrastructure and healthcare in America supplied their strain. So we wanted to make sure those resources flowed specifically for tribes secured a billion dollars for IHS This is really important money to flow down but they also want to make sure and I know you talk about it in this call. We've been on several calls with the head of IHS At our local tribes and FEMA and others to make sure that each tribe understands what's their best path for them to get access and make requests known for what they need of quickly to say that comes down to kind of an all of the above strategy. Work your normal supply routes many of those are choked out work with your local county and safe because they all are in setting up emergency centers to make sure they know your needs work through the normal route to go through the Oklahoma City National Service Supply Center And there should be truly on in states that are helping to make sure that That whatever the fastest way to get those supplies to you will happen at a coordination is so important. And we're helping with that coordination In Arizona last season I wanNA talk about Which I went to the mat for was eight billion dollars When we saw that there was going to be some sort of State Stabilization Fund. That was focused on government entities states and cities. We certainly I wanted to make sure that tribes were included in that. We felt very strongly. And I worked with Senator McConnell's office in the White House Just not coming off the carve out Significant money four tribe. That would be protected for them. This overall fund is one hundred fifty billion dollars. And I'll tell you there was a lot of you know behind the scenes. I won't bore you with all the The the knife fighting to happen here but I would literally presiding on the floor of the Senate The night that the deal was announced and fund was still in jeopardy Somebody out there. I don't know who it was that they kept trying to love all it or cut it or get rid of it And I just you know I was sitting up there. I couldn't make phone calls but it could tax the way the person I was working at a very high level in the White House. McConnell's office. I texted them. Mcconnell's office guy came down and talk to me on the floor of the Senate ice hold of we gotta get his money for the try like if it has to happen and I did the same thing that the White House. And they came back and reported to me that we had secured in the last part of the negotiation because of that. I don't push eight billion dollars that aside it was five point three percent of the Fund for State and cities and try. So this is a big deal And I'm glad we're able to deliver on that and we need to get this entire package quickly through the House as fast as possible on the president signed into law so that money can flow to all of you okay. So I'm sure there was quite a bit of negotiation one of the things. I think that stands out to me. Is You know we're talking about a package of that? They're saying Will cost two trillion dollars Then anybody think about that figure for a moment the mere fact that one country can amass that that amount of money and yet I watch. Cbs News this morning. Talking the homeless in the area of Louisiana that they normally hold Mardi gras but we can put together a two trillion dollar package in less than three weeks and we have people living on the streets. We have native communities that are the poorest communities in the country. If not the world something very wrong and unbalanced much very much so you can often hear the term from time to time people use it often is the term follow the money and there is a strain of information that's available if someone's willing to look that will tell you how the amounts of money like this two trillion dollars come about. It's quite an eye opening journey through research and it's scary at the same time. 'cause this nation has no accumulated wealth. We have none and you have to wonder we. Is this money coming from there in a couple of a couple of answers and the student will know where to go look. I'm not going to get into you. Know Lanes here links there but the information is there. Go find out this to two trillion dollars. Isn't money just laying around? It's not you know. Found money they add. It's it's notes backed by gold and the gold is what the United States actually doesn't own. I'll just put a short cap on that. But we have no go but anyway the mere fact that they can put together and turn it into usable money for the country is with where. I'm pointing at but yet we have these other problems as I already said. Chrome looseness are poor communities in a country roundabout. Go ahead my roundabout point that I was trying to make edge. That's two trillion dollars will come out of our pockets. Eventually we are going to pay that money back in some way shape form or fashion. That's my that's my roundabout point that it's not found money to remove the short cab. We need to think about what our elected officials are doing. And what the reasonings are behind it but as as you said to your point all of these other problems that exist in the country you have to wonder why can't this money just magically appear to end the homelessness to to end starvation to to end all of the problems that plagued the society then don't have to be well the anym- anybody. That's that understands. I guess Economics much better than I do. can probably answer this for me but the one thing. I need people to understand though. Is this two trillion dollars that we're referring to is federal money. The states contributing to it. The federal money comes from taxes it's collected via employers as well as individuals citizens of the country. Last I checked on my my pay STUB I get money taken out by the state and I get money taken out by the federal government. Am I surprised when people are being a native citizen but yeah I pay taxes on both ends so it shows you how much money in my opinion they've announced somehow over time and I also think of other situations for example like the excuses that came out when during the during the code bell case when in country via miserable bell who's now passed on decided to take on the federal government for their irresponsible actions standing country? I selling resources excuses us with. We can't pay you at. The time of the estimate was over one hundred billion dollars. We can't pay you that you will bankrupt the government they said but our we're talking we're in a a a you know this stimulus package. We're talking about two trillion dollars folks. So which is it so I just want to level the playing field and I'm not getting off the subject and the fact that you know this money's needed okay. Perspective is important. I think ELLO IS CO bell case. They told us in country one hundred billion dollar payment to the tribes affected by the irresponsible nature of the United States government. Would bankrupt them. This was in the nineties that makes sense to me. But Anyway Ron wrong let me know close with an S. hosts that native opinion dot com now Senator Mc Sally described how tribes are often left out of bills and what was important at the advocacy. That went into this bill for trade was so crucial. Here's what she said but these are the main ones and we wanted to make sure I wanted to make sure those who they're working That this package got finalized. Many of you know sometimes special bingo thrown together quickly They a they they leave the tribes out Oversight by the steak or lack of advocacy. Whatever it is. I don't know I've only been in the Senate for Year of but we were able to make sure that this language included all of you there's parody there there's a billion I is eight billion for the tried and we are all in this together. We're going to stay communicating with you to make sure we know what your needs are. If we have to do is we're working on a face four and with that I will I will say God. Bless you all listening on the call and my staff will be listening as well. We're here to help you. Don't mind just taking a question radically. There's there is an and thank you for that and thank you for going to the Mat at just amazing here at UPN Senate This what happens now when I mean by ask Congress out of the Senate April Twentieth. I believe What happens with phase for being planned now and I think some of their participation from the Whether are here WANNA know how they get their benefits to. They need our tax return for our media. That happened a lot of aged ninety about yes so obviously I. We need the house to pass this by voice vote They don't need to bring everybody in That would probably would not be smart health wise for four hundred thirty five people to be flying in and but they may not love every part of it. we thought the previous bill was imperfect but It was important to act urgently and to show unity. We passed ninety six zero. So I just encouraged a house to get it. On the what the Treasury is telling? This happened in two thousand eight thousand times thousand eight timeframe it took them a long time to get checks out This time we are pushing on them. They realize how urgent it is. They are saying wanted signed into law two to three weeks. I think secretary of Mnuchin said yesterday three weeks. He's had two to three weeks. He's turned expectation management to the public in a way I understand. It is if somebody's filed their taxes electronially last year. So not. We're not talking about this pact as your delayed until July last year's taxes if he filed electronically And they have your bank information. They have the ability to put it directly into your bank account. That will actually come faster if they if he did not file electronically and they don't have that information they're going to be sending you a check. I've already asked the question. You know some people May the check may not find them right away because of housing instability or other things and so they have to have some sort of mechanism for People if they're checked doesn't find them how. How did they find their shack? But they're saying three week would keep you In touch you don't have to file anything And it's those income limits that I just pass on to you some of the projections that I've heard in terms of checks going out if you're if you haven't filed taxes and there's there are people in that situation that haven't months is the projection for months to being more specific to get a physical check. Sent to you. Yeah and so you know we're talking about the federal treasury and I think the were. The senator opened up she said you know the federal government. They don't do things quickly she said. But everybody's agreement everybody's hurting of course Indian countries different. The other thing that you heard In this although they didn't mention this word specifically but the the A lot of the questions on the call had to do with What do we as a nation have to do and what I mean by nation is tribal nation. What do we have to do to apply to qualify for this money and often a falls under the umbrella of something called means testing and it's broader than just Indian country in this sense and that is that they wanted to put stipulations around. How people got the money a lot of emotion around there because people need help period and the fact that you're elected officials WANNA put stipulations around the release of money. I think says a lot and maybe partially to what they were talking about earlier on. I won't I won't dwell on that point. We're going to try to hit this from a different angle through some deconstruction presented by the young Turks. A little bit later in the show but I want him gone now to talk about The presentation they gave on healthcare. So this'll revolve around the support in the stimulus package for tribes in the areas of health. Care and the needs For IHS funding Medicaid are diabetes programs and funding wins of the call. Them achieved in the bill. This is about half as long here. We go. So we'RE GONNA go to healthcare. This is this is the issue the dealing with now and I think Stacey has been really active on making sure advisor included I think maybe something. That's a little different focused on faith three But Stacey has knee-deep on figuring out how to get money out in the country in the first two dated so I think he will turn this over to you. Thank you Dante good afternoon. Everyone and I wanNA thank you for your time. So in these two I'm GONNA ask by By colleague and the Director of Congressional relations are CHARLEENA'S ARMY. Who's just found amazing? An amazing and fearless advocate where the tribes throughout this process sure. Why don't you take them so right at Congress was finalizing the second package Conversations are getting ernest on the third coded supplements which is the supplement that the Senate passed last night with the Board of ninety. Six to zero It's a two trillion dollar package And conversations were beginning We were receiving feedback and input from lawmakers asking the national native organizations asking the tribes. What were the things that were not addressed in either of the first to Kobe packages that we need to address this part of the third one and so knowing that there was only a sixty four million appropriate under that second package and the needs to be a much larger influx of funding directly into the Indian health system to go out to all the direct service drives and go out to all the self-governance shots they can utilize those funds to be able to address on communities both for services for Facilities Sanitation and everything between We worked together and work directly with the tribe were directly with our member organizations and with our board of directors. I request a total of two point. Four four billion for the Indian Health System. I kind of down over one point two billion specifically IHS services another two hundred million for isis facilities and so on and so forth collectively. Those things added up to just under two point. Five million but then in addition to that knowing how maximizing revenue streams for healthcare paramount trade. Now We were also trying to push forward a patch. A package of Medicaid legislative priorities. The charge GONNA working on for over a year. These are just technical fixes to Federal Medicaid Wall that will nevertheless have outside impacts and maximising third-party revenue. And we've heard from many many trouble eater so far that they're starting to see a lot of their third party. Revenues plummets as a result of this pandemic. And so we were pushing very very hard to get those included In addition to that knowing that I the CDC have noted that diabetes is one of the biggest risk factors for a more serious Kobe. Nineteen illness And knowing that these special diabetes program for Indians is such a critically important and successful program. But unfortunately I've been subject number of short term extensions since last year Knowing that Indian country has disproportionate rates of diabetes. We're pushing hard For criminal reauthorization of SDPI but in addition to that we had many allies On Capitol Hill Nettle cushioned for mandatory funding for certain pieces of the IHS budget For those of you who are part of the trump budget workgroup. You know that during the national convenient here in DC back in February All twelve IHS areas voted unanimously to support moving on site support. Cots and one oh five. Lds expenditures over to mandatory Funday And so we. We included those requests as about priorities and they were submitted to the hill. Either national tribal priorities to ensure that Indian health system and all of Indian country have the resources they need to respond to this emergency To kind of going through. What some of the funding winds were and mind you. These funding winds were included in the package of the Senate passed last night That includes a one point zero three two billion for the IHS services accounts. That's on talk of the night has already been secured and the first two packages That money again is available throughout Every in the IT services accounts And there's language in there to ensure that At least half of them is immediately going out through any funding agreements to the direct service tribe and the self-governance drives but in addition to that we were able to secure a new one hundred twenty five million dollars set aside under the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for public health and the country all the cold nineteen everything from inception control to equipments to public health services preparedness and everything in between That is the largest pool of set aside money ever on the history of cities he's budgets on still of course a drop in the bucket compared to city seed over all budget. We are happy to see that money is included. I'm familiar. We've heard again congressman. Tom Cole was a major champion including that money were always very grateful for leadership it supports in addition to that. There is a minimum. Miu Before I forget the hundred twenty five hundred CDC. That's a baseline new minimum. Set aside so there definitely opportunity secure over under twenty five million for the tribes in addition to that there is a new baseline set aside under the health resources and Services Administration for health surveillance efforts in Indian country and a new fifteen million set aside under the substance abuse and Mental Health Services Administration For Addressing Mental Beer Behavioral Health Issues. That have been worsened as a result of this pandemic in addition to that The House package and included a one of the Medicaid priorities within the travel package back. The four walls reimbursement fixed basically Right now I trust them. Trouble are largely limited to only receiving Medicaid reimbursement for the services provided within the four walls. Clinic there is a lesson elegant work around tribes To be able to receive reversing outside of the clinic. Spot the details Knowing that there's such a great need for delivering services where patients are going out in the community setting up mobile units. And what have you again to make sure? Those verses are maximized in addition to that You're able to secure in the house. Package travel access to the public health. Emergency Preparedness Funds the funds to go to all fifty states and territories but tried member Gina behind and so that is a fixed within the house. Package There are some of the other fires were also able to secure unfortunately The Senate packages did not include those priorities. The funding numbers were maintained. So that over one billion talked about. Ihs set aside under CDC SAMSA. Her those all were included and were passed last night by the status and we are hoping it'll be passed soon thereafter by the House tomorrow morning And as I mentioned earlier Unfortunately we were not successful and getting permanent reauthorization FRISKY. Ti included as part of this third package. There's another short some expansion through November thirtieth of this year but others have mentioned Over the next several weeks more towards the end of April There's going to be moving on a on a fourth package and so all of these travel healthcare priorities that were not included in this third supplements will very much be in play. And we're GONNA BE PUSHING Feverishly to make sure they're included in the sport package. Okay so you heard Quite a bit on that. They're talking about as I'm using. Air quotes presumably going to make it intending country. Some concerns around that have do. They had to go into the. Cdc I am. I understanding that the CDC has not been following its tribal consultation Pala. Its own tribal consultation policies in the past and so how is that going to Be corrected moving forward with With this this particular funding. So there's there's going to be You know people obviously going to be staying on top of this Because that's a lot of money that is supposed to be earmarked for the tribes and and lots of follow up is going to have to be done to ensure that you know this money makes it to our communities. Do you remember what that one point? I just rounded up to one hundred one one point five million baseline UKWA. I didn't catch with that. Baseline number was four. Did you catch remember? I don't remember. That's okay gwen? Ihs But that's that's all I that's all I caught. I don't know what they plan to earmark that one point five million four. Well they had wanted. I mean this is what I'm saying is it's extremely complex but they had wanted and rightfully so Because of arrangements of the money they wanted the money to go directly to IHS as opposed to being routed through the CDC and apparently they still had lost that battle. And I don't understand what the issue was around getting it simply sent straight to IHS. Because I just has all all the functionality of being able to interact with other tribal communities and getting help you know in you know distributing funding down downward that way where it's needed. Well I took that one point five million dollars baseline figure to IHS and just just say for instance if it gets stuck there one point five million for the next year or two years If you take the number of federally recognized tribes than I am. I just grabbed a number of five seventy two. I think that's close unless my math is really off if I just said here. We're going to disseminate this money to the tribes and and have them you know do with it to take care of their healthcare needs as you know need be just hypothetically saying that only equals out to. My math is around the about two thousand six hundred sixty two dollars per tribe. There's more money in their than than just simply that that baseline there's no. Let's figure that that I heard him say was you know a baseline number that was earmarked for. Ihs The rest of it was going to CDC again for for people listening. In fact I think you can go to our youtube channel right now and you can find the slides on health and you can find the slides on economic stimulus aspects of the of the package with the narration included. Nighttime everything So it's together so you know by all means we'll have it up on the facebook page as well so just that there's no Miscommunication and that that is unedited. Meaning it Saturday to the slides match where they do slight changes right. But it's unedited the sense that it's exactly what was presented so Please utilized that as a resource so that you can watch it again and understand how they are intending to break and funnel the money to to our communities here on the show you know because of our somewhat time constraints have been trying to keep condensing somewhat but but it. It's definitely all all there right now. So I just WanNa give a quick shout out to the those coming coming into chat later on this morning. Thank you all and welcome exactly and I know this is a lot of information you guys and you know pretty dry stuff you know but but important information I think so So finally I wanNA turn our attention to the portion of the stimulus package. This is only again a portion of what was presented and again as a reminder you. Can you can utilize our show. Notes for this episode was just fourteen or facebook page again and argue to Kennel For the the full presentations on economic and healthcare presentations. There's also one education but I am finish it editing that but that will be available on through those same channels. Okay so you guys are aware So here here's a discussion on the provisions of the bill called the Economic Stabilization Fund. It was sort of mentioned earlier by the Senator Five hundred billion dollars is being made available for states which tribally owned businesses are eligible for So here's the first part of that. In the interest of time we're going to switch quickly economic development and thank you all for bearing with us. There's awful of Nashville and there's a lot out here that we did get out to tribal leader so on the economic front. We Wanna be able to talk through one. The major provisions which I think are different key components of developed. And then we also want to bring in Faking Giles Joke Landreau talk about how that impacts their communities their constituencies on the game five on the contractor sign or small business and on the economic stabilization on Are Actually searchable. Comeback Unemployment in the second on the Economic Stabilization Funds. This is a different and very interesting piece of this legislation. There's a total of five hundred billion dollars that are available for stage and distressed businesses tribes are included in the definition of state. So they're eligible for anything that the states are eligible for there are also eligible for anything that businesses are eligible for tribally-owned entities. Do not qualify for the five hundred or left employees. There is no loan forgiveness in this program. So obviously for your Smaller businesses under five hundred employees. You want to go to the SBA loan full. I This design more of a crab relief program The Federal Reserve since we can't carry any losses on its book. The Stabilization Fund Establishes Five Hundred Billion Dollars in Treasury Tabacchi provided by the Federal Reserve. So this also means that the Fund will be leveraged at about ten to one possibly more so it makes it a five trillion dollar fund. Potentially that's available for business. There's going to be a lot of people applying for this So what happens in this fund is that the Federal Reserve Bank can purchase obligations directly from issuers of bonds and bank notes. They can Purchase obligations on the secondary market. Again that farms for any tribes that may have raised that tax passed in that way but it also can make direct loans and loan guarantees of Al. And that's the important part for tribes so direct wounds. There's no bank in the middle. This is direct lounge right from the Federal Reserve. A given that lending in in this in this provision so the rates are determined by the Secretary of Treasury and they're based on the risk in outstanding marketable treasuries of comparable maturity. So that means if at most they're going to be five year loans and at Mutt. Which means that most they're going to be based on the heart rates with a five year treasury which is pretty low at this point well under one percent There's a ten day turnaround on these rules which means we have to get free active on engaging with the Federal Reserve Bank they like what are the collateral requirements and Howard tribes going to be included in a separate class There's also for Just FYI is a limitation on a salary of four hundred. Twenty five thousand. You can't stop back and the other things that the Democrats were Advocating for at the last minute. You get some safeguards on the use of this money. And there's also full exposure to the applicants on taking the the money and and how that how that works out so for the tribes that have significant operations. This is a viable loan fund For getting direct loans from the Federal Reserve Bank Not on the government side but on the business side of things it is also available for government as long as simple of money or to Orange village related tribes are involved so again the the rules on this on who can participate are pretty flexible So we'll take questions on this In a little while this is this is going to be interesting on how rules are set up by just know that the Reserve Bank has a lot of flexibility on what they do with this mine all right. And lastly here this discussion will be on the impacts on gaming or ending gaming and what the National Indian Gaming Association is doing to assist tribes of Ben Affected by the shutdown of travel casinos due to covet nineteen. Joel fake very much adjacent tiles. Hope you can hear me. Can you hear me dot they? Okay thank you for everybody. What Great Information Today and Actually I know that important call at two thirty coming up and I just want to pass a lot a couple of things from chairman even from our Niagara Board first of all the to the best of our knowledge. All the tribal casinos are now closed down. There may be some open that are providing assistance and relief. And that's why they haven't That's why you're hearing. Maybe some are still open. But the best of our knowledge The casinos have heeded the warnings of public health officials and have closed their doors Also the best of our knowledge a lot of tribes are paying their employees through March thirtieth through next Monday and some are even extending out to April tenth The on that though it's GonNa get tight and wild dot. They brought up the eight billion dollar Relief Fund one of the things we're going to have to do and be creative about is how tribes could structure their requests to the Treasury. That will meet the three criteria necessary expenditures for Kobe. Nineteen was not in a tribal budget for this year and also was incurred starting March first to December thirtieth of this year. And the most important thing. I'm GonNa tell you on this call right now National Association. We're working on providing tribes died on on how to structure a program or programs so that it can meet the eligibility criteria of this corona virus relief fund eight billion dollars. And if you just think about it if a tribe has to take over paying for elderly people whether it's air conditioning or heating still winter and a lot of places and we can start to get funds flow into the tribal governments to take care of our people that is where the cooperation of all these organizations Come in and help us devise programs to meet these criteria the federal government. This is historic eight billion dollars. I don't you know we were left out of the recovery. Act IN TWO THOUSAND EIGHT. Two thousand nine left out of the tax bill two thousand seventeen and now we have fun and we have a tribal tax advisory committee tribal Treasury Advisory Committee that can assist us throughout this process as well. We're GONNA be leaning on a lot of folks and this is going to have to happen within the next thirty days of whenever the Treasury gets the regs out when the bill was finally signed by the president on clear when the clock starts ticking. But we're just going to have to get it up and running and get your request in and it's going to be a scramble and Oh by the way the viruses still spreading they come to your community and at the time but I really wanted to thank all the organizations out there for the work you've done on the healthcare aspect of it where where. Naido working very hard on this because we know the direct impact on the job. You'll see the two thousand nineteen economic impact that was supposed to be distributed at our trade show this week in San Diego. It's not happening We're going to get this report out there. But it's just a baseline to show how bad things have gotten in just a matter of weeks and we're GONNA ask the NIGC to help us. Collect the economic impact of what our casinos are experiencing and more importantly what are workers are experiencing and you're gonNA see tribal employers. We're not gonNA ditch you like Marriott's the Hilton's and all these big guys that are already cutting tens of thousands of jobs. We're trying to hold onto our forties and I think that's what this is. All about is making sure people can fight the virus and not have to worry about making bill payments for the next couple of months. So let's not lose focus on that Let's focus that you know Nationally Gaming Association where we're defending the casino industry but our time will come in the months ahead right now. This is a healthcare and public health crisis. And we're here. That doesn't ten. So thank you again for everybody and It will be there for you as we try to get back normal. I'll try to get businesses back up and running. Thank you thank you for doing this today. Okay so there you go on. We've killed one our in our show already but that is that those are some of the critical areas that hopefully will be addressed her any country that come out of the Care Act as we opened with. That's what they're now calling it. The Care Act approved by Congress and signed by the occupant of the White House yesterday. And so there's going to be a lot of follow up on this. I know and hopefully you know we will alert. We'll start to see this money. Come into into our communities. The meme that's going around right now is A. We're all in all in this together. You know and I thought I'm sorry but basically I agree with that overall. I think that unfortunately mainstream news media sort of turned it into a marketing kind of thing and get real sensitive when companies do that. But I don't want it to mislead people into thinking that you know I don't I don't think that's true because they do. This is affected. Everybody on you know on a global scale like quite literally but but we do have to look out for Indian country and so. It's important that we got that out to you. Guys would appreciate you bearing with us. We really sat one more time right now. Anyway if you WANNA see those slides if you're listening right now need to our wants to break away a youtube channel. Just go to Youtube and search for native opinion and you'll find find the health slides as well as the economic aspect of the stimulus package of the correct. Those are all their complete. So thank you. Thank you and you want to end on that signal brother. I heard comments along the lines of I'm paraphrasing when all of this to take effect we don't have a timeframe those those types of statements. Worry me a locked. Excuse me because all of this money. That's being magically created should be immediately released without the bureaucracy without taking no words going Should be released to everybody immediately. That shouldn't be a two to four or four to six week or month period that you know all the bureaucracy and red tape has to be waded through that. That shouldn't exist. We all know that it takes a little bit of time to get the ball rolling so on and so forth. That's understandable but the money should be made available immediately instead of it being bogged down in this quagmire of bureaucracy. I'm not casting stones anybody's glasshouse because the money is being made available but the sticking point to me is the amount of time that could possibly take to get that money released to the agencies or individuals that the money needs to get to this pandemic. Now you know it's it's the impact could possibly be tenfold six weeks from now eight weeks from now. People need the help now yet. The money released now. Stop the bureaucracy end with. I agree with that. I am just to the best of my ability Necessarily pointing heavy heavy fingers right now but that is to come right On a lot of different fronts import you guys would those details at the moment but but basically I think what we have to be vigilant about is yes getting them this money into our communities to to help absolutely extreme immediate needs. We have people dying right now as we speak and I mean that as a country as a whole not just not just raining country but certainly is going on in aiding countries. Well Okay but what you guys are. I want you guys to try to think about a little bit. Is the perspective many of our of our indigenous communities. All right we were already impoverished. We are already in trouble Benadryl. Okay and this money is going to definitely help But we're skeptical. Were were were skeptical in many regards because promises of always been made any country that you know in your heart. A lot of huge figures being thrown around that have never been thrown around in Indian country director before. But we'll actually make it there and that's where I think we have to do within our communities. We have to do our due diligence and do and stay on top of this infancy followups. Anyway that we possibly can How we can help on this show is if people need to get the word out about certain things let us know and we will help communicate that you know if certain promises were made that that you heard on this audio or were watch the presentations and they're not doing what they're supposed to do. Let us know and we will try to get the word out so that we can help. Put some pressure where pressure needs needs to go Because it's IT'S IMPORTANT. We have every right to This support it's also the responsibility of the federal government through trees and other mechanisms that that they have responsibility to to our communities but we also have a responsibility to do the follow up in the U. Diligence under in trying to understand what processes after very hard also because when they changed the rules in Midstream follow-up becomes even more difficult but but yet still has to happen so all right women taking music break now because we it. And then we're GONNA come back with voicemail that we received from some of you guys so so that play track for you by Sandra Sutter. The science called Song of Heaven. Here we go. My name is rich. Crow show my Indian name. Is I walk scene from the Big Danny First Nation. This song came from Mike Grandmothers to my father. 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So we flip over here and let's see Lee called in and reached out to Lee as well as Badger. Because I hadn't heard these guys in a while we get worried. We don't hear from from folks especially you guys that are out in the road. Good to see you guys in Chat Asandra. Hello how also out on the road often so hope you guys are staying safe amid Covet Nineteen craziness. But here's what we had to say native opinion Cool David Sinai's few to get in touch. It's been a few months on the busy so I haven't been in touch sidedly. I had a friend who look stay young child and so that federal and they also decided Parole Holden Mission Day and anxiety and A plus Saudi that all the on of success former Jehovah's Witness. I had to get public talk. Which is a Sunday said? The city will there's half an hour tool pins in Look preparation those stressful is will and I am along. The holy have listerine aversion as a comeback. Really appreciate you checking of McKay and absolutely fun. Well what has gone on head? Well not great. It's not bad. There's not blaming the worst hit. We have an alien Spain who does not very far from us but we live on an island whether it gets worse in our little county of Norfolk lays out from employees took twelve to fifty cases one death. London is free behind the still using cheap underground and I think it's grown up to seven hundred deaths and I understand you guys Malaysia Ganzi country competitive. Uk in your situation. A lot works in dog now. by glut sentence video of tunnel trump garden from February two module these video clips again. It's fake hugs and it's going to be one. Chinese man has gone. He's gone and votes myself even for him even for him Achieved have I done himself? I fill in rarely shown himself from the throw. The kids a main. It's not as not as you can take lightly or virus and I love people had the government had been great Self employed people with funds looks said. We just got announced on Monday that we all need to start hunting say relationship seeing all our friends. Free the map. I'm sitting video conferencing. All our meetings for religious services ministry for those doors stopped three weeks the full the government. So we will still ahead of the game in that sense so when I hold it all on meetings for worship freezing which is interesting by has desist. All I would say guys. Don't go crazy Matfield. Chilton like Nikkei did done A. Don't suddenly if panicked on the same day gets some essential. Look Free Cup of bigalow data. Because you'll be surprised how much you can find in the pack. Your free in the back of the county's use pasta dish makeup of vegetarian past dish. And you can't. It'd be surprised over the last two free weeks since we've started happening. Have your brief surprise of high Sustains of provide gun to the sharks united cannot make bread with thankfully Cooking in the high. So it's not really a mess if she did today but it is very very strange self-employed when the cleaner and you gotta town. Everyone's team is a pop and stayed away shop people in days and stuff running across the road which never see down the city and math steadier. This is very stressful Sometime anxiety can kick him. Oversight is goes to him in a native country. Just look after yourselves. Don't panic when I look back. You come check. We have details voice. Seriously People Are Dying. He Unite Elderly. Get Out of your head to think openness pop into argument potency. Then just make sure you to stay in the off the shelf because this thing seems to catch on quickly but I don't WanNa make it sitting down in the dumps or just four but missed. You will catch them the podcast and the shades of Tomorrow and I do really Hydra well. On disability she owes watching Disney plus has just been released in the U. K. And we looked the mandarin the mandolin the mandatory and of having an episode on Disney plus but the music from them does sound the first episode slowly native. I had made a fleet to either star. Then I've anyone is on the same wavelength of me but I'm anyway liftoff Silk Avalon. And it's been nice this about till flay took you'll have a good show and famous. Get Michael and David for bringing all your happiness to the airwaves. See you later. Well thank you for that. It's good to hear your voice. Glad you're well and your families will definitely and I know I know I've been I've been sort of down in the dumps last last couple of episodes. I'm trying there's been like I like online because that's where everybody is now right. You know what I mean so if you're if you're like a streaming broadcaster Wade through here You know I think we've proven streaming has its place right and I mean this. This is what everybody is is now gathering really but there's a lot of people using humor with music. Like best sent me a clip the other day of Redone needles mix There is somebody that Remix mice run to Mike Arana. There's like all this stuff out there on that. Sort of get some levity out of this entire situation dimension a link that cliff posted in the chat Because it's a very good source. Use it myself often. It's a world meters dot info four slash corona virus and it's probably the best resource for tracking the progression or hopefully the reduction of cases krona virus worldwide. So Again it's world meters. Dot Info forward slash corona virus? I will keep that link in the show notes as well And they'd varies obviously country to country. Even here in the United States It what's weird is when you look at the map There's like a swath right in the middle of the country where there's not a lot of cases being reported but that's only on the west coast definitely here on the east coast a lot of cases and just got odd to me. How that's how that's rolling out so but anyway You know you WANNA glances something. That's online as opposed to just get like I. Don't you guys know me? I watch typically anyway. I watch a lot of mainstream news and I can't absorb more than ten minutes now. I just can't because it's the same thing you know after night morning after morning. It's like they're refused report. Anything else you know even if it's to break up the monotony you know so you know. I. I just can't like day was asking me that I was I. I did this rant this morning because you could hear the Tenjin my voice and he's like you okay a look at trump where my turn it off in the analogy I use. I said it's a we have a Dvr so we record shows so they mostly because we're tired of looking at Don commercials right and and you can't avoid them. It's like you know somebody will do a break in or something right. You know so. We'll start to watch a program and also later this special announcement and boom there is and it's like I don't want to see him just don't you know and it's just totally frustrating. So something else. I WANNA point out for. I go onto Badger voicemail on our facebook page. There is video of Bernie Sanders who conducted last night a talk. He hosted with three healthcare providers. Three doctor to doctor and nurse and think it's really worth watching because they give you the reality of the situation how they are handling Krahn virus in their individual hospitals and really great advice. That they're giving and Bernie did a great job fielding questions from facebook viewers and I thought that was really really well done and then it got me thinking where the hell is Joe Biden. Anybody Seen Joe Biden do any online town halls Bernie doing on regular basis and he must have good Technology people on his staff because they're always really well produce even from home and manage. Well where the hell is Joe Biden. Because I know this is the presumed leader which we haven't heard anything about the campaign obviously because with everything everything shut down but this is the guy that mainstream news media has prompted up as being the most electable or is he. You know so I just thought but anyway go check that out because it's like I said it's it's it's a good information about anything else but yeah okay. Let's hear from baggers what he's scenting low brothers. Hey thanks again for another great show. Heavy heavy stuff and well balanced with the music and the good news. Portion was just perfect. Thank you thank you. Thank really sorry throughout the. Tv's really really enjoyed that and really help balance it out. And thank you for that. Main reason for this call is a little segment by David. Gray Al titled My Government Does Not Care about me. That hurt brother really hurts and I I know I can't make up for the stupid stuff. Our government does but I just WanNa tell you I love you brother. I love you and I appreciate your service putting your life on the line for our country. I appreciate you. Educating our children. Appreciate you putting your time into this. Podcast I really really appreciate you and love you and I wish the best for your family all of your loved ones and they prospered and everything you do and Michael. Kicking there. I love you. I wish the same for your family and everything that you do prospered. Okay maybe get some heavy. But I had to say. Don't know this could be my last. Call my wake up tomorrow. I don't think so but anyway and so there was a little bit more. He started going into a poem that he did. It got off so badger. When you're when you hear this just know that that's what happened so I had to cut it a little short because the level of phone thing that you offer something happened but if you want to send that in please please by all means Badger. Thank you for that. I'd love you to you join yards and I hope you are safe and be safe out on the road. Your your words meant what? I'm wondering you know. Thank you for those. We appreciate that we really really do I. We love doing the show. And Dave and I talk about this all the time despite everything. That's going on right now and they're just things. I think that we we get into routines that we that we like to do. And let's to programs obviously is one of them so we feel it's important to to try to keep this going as much as possible I am I've been working on trying to get a couple of new show launches going on with everything going on downtime in having No work outside of what we're doing on the show and stuff so in what areas that. I'm really focused. Hard on trying to get an indigenous peoples music going because music is healing and I think we could. We could use more than I'm very very close Some of it was legalities. So I believe we've got that solved now and and so The other area that Slowed me down a little bit. Just so you guys are aware We do know we still have a streaming challenges the quality issues with their with their car provider. And so. That's where my focus has been on him. I think I've got that salt. I hope so. Anyway that's my job here on the show and so we may have to change how we do things a little bit hopefully won't be too disruptive it won't affect the podcast whatsoever but But for the live the life into this We've kind of had to take a different look at it and so We'll hopefully have some announcement soon. But that's where the focus has been And really really looking forward to bringing the music show back because Miss it I miss doing music on a larger scale so so yeah so we'll we'll have more announcements so hopefully here within a couple of weeks. We're hoping all right now badger had mentioned Dave's displeasure with the federal government. He clearly isn't alone in that. A The folks over at the Young Turks or the ty T. also had some criticism of the release details about This this recent Senate stimulus package now called the The Care Act and so I wanted to play their deconstruction here again. This is a little bit long but I may not play the whole thing. But but here's a here's what they wanted to bring forward. There's there's the biggest legitimate. That's elmer concerns here. We go crow virus of course and a similar spill associated with it as usually will give you a perspective that not very many other media outlets are arguing right now. everybody on. Tv's high fiving over the stimulus package as explained you guys are massive problems with it And what I saw. The trump was celebrating. How reasonable Schumer was. I knew we were in trouble so it will get that in a second. Is there a real needs? That businesses have have they actually been addressed equitably? Apparently not now. Let's do a really good at is to give you a different perspective on what's actually happening in to give you the actual facts that you will not see on television late last night. The Senate actually passed a walking trillion dollar stimulus package in order to help both businesses and US workers but as usual something that we've been arguing throughout this entire negotiation process the final bill which the Senate unanimously meeting. Every single. Senator voted in favor of still has a giant problem with prioritizing massive businesses NASA corporations Above the best interest of American workers. So I WANNA do this deep dive and give you the details of what the Senate has approved. It still needs to be approved by the house but it is expected to be approved by the House of this is likely the final version of the law. So based on what we know and this was reported by Zach Carter at the Huffington post yesterday but this still applies to the final passage of the new law would establish a four point five trillion trillion with a t corporate bailout fund overseen by Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin with few substantive constraints some outlets reporting this as a five hundred billion dollar fund. But the four hundred twenty five billion dollars that's going toward These massive corporations will be leveraged ten times over by the Federal Reserve resulting in a multi trillion dollar program. Okay so that's still remains. These companies will still be a bailed out in addition to that the bill permits bailed out companies to lay off up to ten percent of their workforce over the next six months with no restrictions after that so there will be some oversight when it comes to keeping people employed for the next six months after that these corporations which are now being bailed out by us the US tax payers can go ahead and fire as many people as they want. Keep in mind that MNUCHIN would have the authority to waive any upside for the for the Public. In its new investments and the bills restrictions on stock buybacks at bailed out firms are to temporary to be significant bailed out companies can even pay dividends to their shareholders. These issues remain okay. And it's a huge problem. Especially when you consider the fact that the stimulus checks that are going to be sent out to. Americans are means tested. Meaning they're going to ensure that you're not making too much money to receive those checks so at about seventy five thousand dollars you will receive about one thousand two hundred dollars. It'll be the one time CECCHI received and then it starts tapering off in amount until you get about ninety nine thousand dollars a year at that point. You don't get any stimulus check. I bring that up because they means test us as US workers right. But keep in mind that the companies that are likely to be bailed out our airline companies and jetblue Alaska Airlines Group and Delta. Those are three airlines companies. That paid zero dollars. Nothing zero dollars in federal taxes and twenty eighteen following donald trump's massive tax cuts for the rich so they have nothing into the federal government. We pay our taxes and when push comes to shove when things start to get ugly for these companies that by the way have been price-gouging us as well they get bailed out by us the US tax payer. So I can somebody explain to me why there is these giant differences between small businesses and big businesses. Look spoiler alert. It's because big businesses have lobbyist and they bought a all politicians. Small businesses are screwed. So they're so do. Do some big businesses potentially need help absolutely so is a good question as to whether those should be loans grants what should be the interest rate on those laws. We need airline industry. Once we come out of this mess at the same time I hear from Libertarians from right-wingers all the time hey business can't survive sad day Saturday. So who cares bootstraps bootstraps? Certainly your individual. They say that you have thousand times over. Oh you could either begs again she get some bootstraps and see how you deal with it? That's three economics baby but when it comes to bowling all of a sudden nobody's interested in free market economics. The audacity of the Boeing CEO. On that he got away with it because he knows he already bought all of Congress the certain about equity stake. If you're going to bail out these companies he said absolutely not how dare you? Don't you know I'm your boss? And he said you know. We have many other options. Well if that's true I am by Boeing to go ahead and saw and go and do whatever the hell they do. There are other options with me if you say I need it. Small businesses needed. Ty T. needs to it dot com slash. Go Okay and we're GONNA use whatever would add research we can get from the government but it isn't going to be enough. His were a small business. But if Boeing says they don't need it what the hell are we giving money for and why they're two different? Rules liked the rule where it's a small business must protect our employees. Now that gives less so-called freedom and more restrictions on small business owners such as myself find good. I WANNA protect employees. But why doesn't big business have to play by the same rules? They have more might have more power. They're getting literally ten fifteen times amount of money small businesses game. So why don't they have to play by the rules? Okay so stop it there because I think you guys get the gist anything. Dave well all these big airlines. I don't think they deserve a penny. Why because that spends billions of dollars in stock buybacks cruise? Lines deserve one penny. Why because they registered vessels and other countries to avoid paying. Us taxes Big corporations don't deserve one penny of our tax dollars. I said about the cruise is interesting. I Paul I paused it here. The Sheriff I was GONNA play anymore but I might now because they asked that very question but not but again they didn't they weren't sure why. Why is the cruise industry being penalized? And you just answered that question. And because I would. I was not aware that myself that. That's that's how they're avoiding things right and big corporations don't deserve one penny tax dollars. I because they don't pay taxes anyway. They attack shelter for example. Jiang brought this up a little bit later. He talked about my Ulta Mater Apple for example having a facility in Ireland because now the counter argument that companies make is. It's too expensive to do business in the United States which in some cases because presumably of corporate tax and this is why they they love the former White House at the moment. Then you're looking at it from the perspective of well. This is where we're all going to get our income companies right. Well that's the perspective they want you to look at it from a that. You get your income from companies. Well they fail to realize well actually they. Don't they know that without the consumer they had no company correct? So you know somebody say well. It's a vicious circle. It's a dog now. Now we are the we are the job. Creators consumers are job creators. Exactly exactly exactly but let me play a little bit more. This plays on exactly what you're talking about but here though you can fire camping southern right now. They already filed fired a lot of their employees. Or Ray no consequences for that and that they after six months they fire mall right and and at the same time here you go give it into shareholders and all the other things his small businesses any of that now because you weren't as corrupt as big business and you didn't buy over stupid corrupt politicians. So you see not on TV now. You're not unsheathe. 'cause they're owned by large corporations out there all wanting to give it away to us. Yeah the great analysis that I've seen on this Senate. Bill has been done on independent media outlets and print journalism some print journalism. But I do want to note that the way they're defining small businesses is if you have five hundred employees or less. The reason I bring that up is because the massive corporations that do not have to abide by this strict employees rule. They employ more people in the country right because by their very nature. They have more employees as big businesses big companies. They have more employees. So if you genuinely care about rewarding companies who keep their employees because you want people to stay employed then having a different standard for small businesses makes no sense and the standard by the way for small businesses is that the federal government will come in and provide loans in order to keep the company afloat a however those loans will only be forgiven if the small businesses maintain their workforce deposit it there because what she hit on a point that it's very very important anytime there's been a depression or a downturn in the economy under normal circumstances not where there's a virus involved and there's this many people out of work what has brought an economy back has always been small business. Your pizza shops your small print shops all these type of things that are that are doing B. Two B. type of thing even right you have. Cbs which consumer to be the business to consumer. But then you also have to be which is business business right so business business example would be okay. I'm an office worker and I want to have a pizza party so I'M GONNA call up my local pizza place and get business from them right and this reinforcement of small business is what drives and economy before a large corporation. Now what we've seen over the years has been big business driving out small business. The classic example is Walmart's drop a walmart in the middle of a community and ain't smaller businesses particularly like. Let's say hardware store okay now. They can't compete because they don't have the buying power that big business right. And so the argument that the companies make that this is what you were relating to earlier. Brother is that Well we have Monterey more employees than that small businesses so therefore we should. We should drive the boat right. Well no that's not exactly what I was alluding to. I'm not saying you agreed with them to saying you're bringing kind of that analogy that. That's what they want you to believe they want you to believe that they're the job traders but because you know they may have five hundred employees as opposed to five or ten. But I'm glad you brought walnut up while night. It's a prime example of of a corporation taking advantage of the small business loophole now. Each of their stores employs less than five hundred people. Actually that's what I think cliff was referring to in chat right now. He says less than five hundred people. And that's that's Nice lovey. Said I'm sorry. He said the four ninety nine club. That's a calculated a number and they do that too in order to take advantage of the tax loophole. Now what made me think of something as as you know? Part of that clip was playing. I think Anna whatever name is chain co host Casper and okay mentioned Corporations can or businesses can avoid paying that that loan and I'm quoting loan they can avoid paying that loan back by keeping people employ while Walmart has instituted a hiring practice. That's been put into effect right now. They're hiring people. Yes they are battling relative thousand benefited from that hiving by the thousands right now and that that made me think that these corporations no that something like this was coming down the pipe now. This wasn't stopping that that they just started doing. They started doing this about three weeks almost a month ago. So that made me think these corporations now that this sort of cash bail out was comey. Is it something that there are orchestrating with the Treasury Department and the White House? I think they knew I mean I. I don't think it's nefarious in the sense that you know anybody knows that any politician is going to have to get something approved without knowing necessarily what the specific details are also a common knowledge? Okay that Business higher ups. Lean Republican Party. Okay so so you know they're looking at you. Know what the current makeup of the government the administration is at the moment they look at the Senate looking at the White House right so I don't think it's necessarily nefarious in the sense that they had inside Info I think they just. They made a calculation that this was going to happen. Your more optimistic I am. I'm pessimistic. Sob because I think the son of a bitches were being ferris. I'm just saying you know they. They know they they know things are on their side at the moment is what I'm referring to when I say when I say not nefarious it's a calculation that they're making and they're trying to capitalize on because they don't know what's going to happen after November right so you know and then like I said it's a rock and a hard place because people to work you know what I mean like I said I've got a relative that just benefited from that. Very thing you're talking about people got to work you know and so it's just it's just a tough call anyway anyway. We'll look at this so well it it it is. It is a tough call and again it's the the American populace the average blue collar worker. That's getting screwed in the end because all of this tax money can call federal money until cows come home. It's all tax payer money. Well I wonder what I worry about is exactly what they were referring to you on the young Turks which is you. Look you look at this aspect of the stimulus package and it says okay. After six months you guys can cut your cut your staffing all you want. That's what bothers me about it. The most because what you're basically saying is being aided Jim now right and he knew by the troves because they have to write. So that's where the workers are at a disadvantage the other thing which We hadn't gotten to in this clip nurse like Gomo four minutes left but I at rather than playing I'll I'll just say it would jenkins talking about was like wait. A minute you use Boeing. As the example you have a problem is part of the guarantee for money that you would be benefiting from our that. Well you have to. You have to in her. Give more stock to your employees are make some of your employees owners want that. I got upset about that. We don't want any part of that so you don't want to share the benefits that you've then enriched by the very word that these folks are doing for you you don't. WanNa share that piece of the Pie whatever. Whatever that sliver that you would be giving back to the they. They weren't even giving plays a sliver is what I'm saying. But they want the money. We went through this in two thousand eight. Roughly what are and if we use car companies an example the only car company. They didn't take the partaken the bailout quite frankly. It's one of the reasons why I bought. One of their cars was toward all the other car. Companies BANK BAILOUT MONEY. Last time there was a heavier hit to the economy to thousand and eight. So why so now with everybody in a pinch everybody? This is why I don't like means testing. Even what rolls around who gets what and why and how much that's that's kind of sad. So the rest of the side with incorporations. It's a little different because these are these are bailouts so their loans by their very nature. But they don't have to abide by any strict rules when it comes to keeping their employees. Because you're right. Jank I mean I think corruption does have a lot to do with it and Boeing tells these lawmakers to jump and they jump you know. It's amazing to me that he has the audacity to say that the US government has no has no role in owning equity in in Boeing when the US government's coming in to save them. Right now. I do want to point out some of the good parts of the stimulus bill. Because there are some incredibly important concessions that Bernie Sanders was able to get from Republicans. Okay so First off when it comes to these bailouts there are big businesses that do not qualify and this is a good thing okay so the oil industry is getting nothing and a for some reason. The cruise industry also getting anything. But I think it has to do with you know. Just the the whole issue that I brought up when it comes to bailouts overall which tax subsidies subsidies and things like that I mean it's amazing that we get means tested and the companies paid anything in federal taxes. End Up getting pulled out now. The cruise companies apparently don't fall under that category. But I'm really happy to see that the oil industry isn't going to get any of this bailout money when I talk about means testing you guys. I'm also talking very specifically about ending country from the poorest communities in this country are people and they're still going to put stipulations on what you get no BS B. S. O. The administration can take equity stakes in airlines. That received aid to help compensate tax payers. It would also send a hundred billion dollars to hospitals by the way. Afc on twitter settings actually two hundred billion dollars. There's a discrepancy there. But I want to look into that and give you guys the accurate number but somewhere between one hundred to two hundred billion dollars to hospitals on the frontlines of the pandemic so look here. The we nuance. So you don't like that and you want to black and white world. It's all right. There's plenty of options for you guys. So when you do nuance you recognize the good parts of the bill and you recognize it necessity for some sort of stimulus. Still no question and you recognize that getting a check. Suppose making less money is a good thing you recognize that increasing unemployment is a good thing that the incentive for companies seeking employees is a good thing. But you also recognize a downsides. And so you know that's why independent media so important. I don't mean this kids just have insurance as Hannah pointed out Zach ordered helping the Post David David who comes on the show from time to time America price by really really good articles. That actually explain to you what no one else is explaining. That's why you'll go on TV and TV makes it sound like a Shangri la up and the reality is. We are giant giveaways to multinational corporations. And is there equity in it? So a again. No one's explained to me why Chris Companies get nothing. They're absolutely devastated by this. And Airlines get loans and grants so I can see the need for allies again both depending on how you structure it. I get equity stakes. What kind of leverage did we use? What are the terms of it but I can also see that for cruise line? So why if you're asking me? Guess I would guess. The airline companies have way better lobbyists and by the way their union might for the flight. Attendants is excellent so they might have used leverage with the Democrats. And say no. You'll give money to the airlines. And if the cruises aren't unionized and they don't have to use pushing the Democrats at the support them so our own crews companies go bankrupt. But that's that's the problem with this. This is it based on need based corruption. Let me it's big unions. For a second day would be would think they would be the first people. Those organizations trying to force shared ownership. Wouldn't you think well in larger companies where the base of employees is much much higher? Well Yeah but you never hear about that right. So when he's talking about lobbyists some of the most classic oldest lobbyists in the country are unions. Right where are the on? Because I don't here I never heard I've dealt with the UAW I've dealt with pipes hitters. I've dealt with two others. Oh there's grocery store unions too. Never have I ever heard them whenever they asked people go out on. Strike that one of the one of the Contingencies is to get people back to work. Is We want to share the PIE. Why is that? They make money the unions from who through union dues right again. Things that make you yeah. It's once again because I I'll argue this right now. Even though we're all out of work and everybody's an inner financial pension one way shape or form except for the one percent right. I would almost argue if people could actually do it is. Let's say the virus disappeared tomorrow powers and the people says he wants us to come back to work new rules. Rules are now owned by the people that you employ not just your shareholders. Okay but they know people can't wait that long. I don't know maybe that's radical Alexandra said a chat. She's like time for a revolution in the Non Wolf kicked and said I have to agree center however I hate to see a loss of this loss of life involved correct absolutely in that path. But I'm coming to see to the conclusion that that will be the only route to actual change. Yeah well that's that's absolutely correct. That's the only route to to actual lasting change by the way that's how unions became to be if you go back to the thirties and the forties in three year history. That's how they came. They be tired of the S. Any lasting major changes that have come about in. This country has been through revolution. Look look at civil rights but see but see the democratic lead in Establishment Democrats there. So that's one of the things they hate about. Bernie Sanders because he used the word revolution. A little scary right. Why because it disrupts they applecart. Napa CARTON IS CASES THEIR FUNDING YOU AKA Pelosi. They don't want to disturb the status quo. What they don't WanNa do as you said. Brother upset the apple so all right well. We'll we'll we'll end it there but thank you badger. Because that's what let's talk about. What the what folks are doing at the federal level unfortunately states follow suit to they see the behavior of certain federal officials. Say we can do that too. So they're not. They don't have clean hands on this. Either in many cases agreed with Sandra Wolf and said that's why the political revolution is necessary. Absolutely it is absolutely it might just might come to fruition in. That's why if you're a Democrat. You need to really think about what that word means today because see the. Republicans don't have that problem. Republicans have made that decision. We are evil joy. Let's So that's made that decision. The Democrats want everything in the work. That way in Star Wars terms seperatist. Whatever I watched it allowed the evil empire versus the rebels here as opposed to obey the independence. Or whatever the hell they call themselves. But something's gotTa give my last. My last point to Democrats is this. You know what I mean. I know I know the statement about the makers an entirely true. Okay all blow frontloaded this way but from a messaging point of view it really right now it looks more like the. Republicans are on the side of average everyday. Joe's sorry I mean Senator. I just played guys you know fighting on the front lines. Raining country is a Republican Democrat. He's a Republican. He's got to be a moderate or a liberal Republican. Well I did my homework there just to Kinda get a look at because she said in the piece I've only been Senator for a year So I looked at you know who she was running against. Us running against John Kelly. They asked him out in Arizona. Okay you didn't make it up there. That's the one out now is now. Her name seems familiar. And that was one of the things that people are saying. Okay that went on. She wants you one term election. They're like okay. She has a decision to make. Is she going to be a moderate Republican? Or if you're going to be or if you're going to jump at the line with trump and there's all kinds of photos of her a so-called president so we have to have to look at unfortunately all these angles but as I said from a perception point of view it really looks like Republicans are leading the fight for funding for not only their obviously their corporate donors but but for having everyday Americans Democrats are doing a horrible job in messaging. They just are could posted. She was appointed to feel McCain slot. Yeah yeah probably so so. Yeah so like I said stimulus. I'm glad you know that. There's been money carved out and all the people that worked hard on that I don't I'm not trying to diminish their efforts whatsoever. You know but we you know I unfortunately I do look down the road ahead once all this stuff ends. And what's the final impact? So bad habit of mine. I GUESS. But not actually. It's not a bad habit because people need to be looking forward to seeing where all of this well of where it's all going to fall might fall. Nikoloz too often this country as a reactionary country instead of looking ahead a little in seeing how bad can forestall something that might be coming down the road. Nothing nothing about country as as preventative. Nothing that MC. Sally was appointed not elected. That might be true as well. I don't know but the bottom line is she sitting in the seat and she has the voting power. So that's what I was saying before she was appointed to McCain slot. Yeah passing. I didn't realize seat was still open for that long. All right onto native news sir question for our listeners. How many of you have a dnr order in place for an for cases of catastrophic illness or terminal illness in the NFL is a do not resuscitate order and that is to order the hospitals and first responders like medics? Emt's now to resuscitate you if there are slim. Chances of survival without resuscitation to have some. There's a lot of ethics involved around. Dnr's and and things of that nature and sometimes families intervene had DNR's canceled on patients that have become unresponsive and able to make their own decisions or family members that acquire the family members medical lost my train of thought here medical responsibilities so those things are something that we should take consideration and thinking about and an applications that means for you and your family members because we should have that right to decide whether or not we want to be resuscitate or whether or not we want to try to extend our life and have the possibility surviving something catastrophic but since this pandemic has come about hospitals are considering a universal. Do not resuscitate orders for chronic vibes patience. I hadn't heard this. Yeah that's BS and this article comes to us by way of Ariana CIA. She writes for The Washington Post and their health segment. The Washington Post is biting the story for free so that our readers have access to important information about the corona virus uncle onto re hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a over a calculation few of encountered in their lifetimes how to weigh the quotes safe at all costs in quote approach to resuscitate a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to contagion of Corona virus. The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling stores of protective equipment or p. p. e. in the medical field such as mass gowns and gloves. Maybe you great to justify the convention response when a patient codes and there or breathing stops northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing Griffin Universal. Do not resuscitate policy for infected patients. Excuse me regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members a wrenching decision to privatize the lives of the many over. The one Michael Wondering of the northwestern's intensive care medical director Said Hospital administrators have asked Illinois governor. Jay Be priced occur whatever. His name is for helping clarifying state law and whether it permits the policy shift quoting. It's a major concern for everyone. He says quote quoting again. This is something about which we have had lots of communication with families and I think they are very aware of the grave circum circumstances in quote officials at George Washington University Hospital and the district say they have had similar conversations but for now. We'll continue to resuscitate Kobe. Nineteen patients using modified procedures such as putting plastic sheeting over the patient to create a barrier. This is a rather long article and we'll be a show in L. Tonight our listeners. To read it so I'm not clear though what what is the what are the using of the justification even attempt to introduce such a policy. Well I'll read that paragraph again. Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a calculation could encounter during their lifetimes how to weigh the safe at all costs approach to resuscitate eating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and nurses to the contagion Connor Corona virus. That's what they're using as justification for the first time I apologize. Okay well now. That brings me too many debates that I've had on this week over implications and suggestions that the elderly should be sacrificed for the sake of the economy or Wall Street. It don't even get me started there. So this is kind of in the same vein They're using medical justification here but it's it's the principals the same but again in my my opening a DNR order should be be upheld if it's put in place by patient or patient's family member members who have a legal right to make their their legal decisions and medical decision rather no government be local state or federal should be putting dnr universal gay and orders in place to decide the fate of people that they say maybe borderline. You know save. That shouldn't happen. Yes things like this. Do occur in mass casualty situations. I trust me I know. Depending on how severe the mass casualty may be plane crash. You know wartime situation. Whatever IT MAY BE. There is no particular order where people are assigned responsibility. If you will if someone deigned that the you know the chances of making it are slam granted. They got a chance but it may be slammed than their level of intervention is going to be nailed or it may be less than it would be to the next person who may not be quite as bad as them but are still a critical so these these policies are in place already For Mass casualty incidents that nobody knows about nobody really knows about a people in the medical profession aware of them. I'm not sure if law enforcement is but fire departments the medical profession yes. They're well aware of these. These particular procedures that are in place that categorize people according to their injuries in mass casualties casualty situations. Do I think it's fair? It's a medical professional. No I don't I don't think it stare at all if someone has a chance. Give them that chance. If they're going to expire let them expire on their own because of the lack of intervention cliff and chat asks. Isn't that call triage? This is reality this is this is the reality when the S has hits the fan during an emergency. Italy has been in the thick of this. He said that the triage is where that decision is made during triage. Absolutely that's pretty scary because if that got out more on the I can see that as a deterrent for people to even hospital. So so in other words you know. They think they may have. They're not sure all all medical professional. I mean again if you watch Bernie sanders speeds from last night. All the people off the doctors are saying you know. By all means come in but you know they. They're trying to also get people to try to I. I am careful. Use the word self diagnosed. But you know if it's if it's donald symptoms of of Of the flu or a Cold. Treat that at home and stay home right right. But if if the symptom seem to mirror what's been released as as potentially coded nineteen. They want you to come in. Now they heard that in the state. Okay well if I if I have contracted the virus and there's this in my my local hospital has this policy. That says you know things go left. I don't have a prayer right building. Death basically am I sounding okay to your your your full of a lot of static. Really you sound fine coming back. Okay yeah there seems to be a lot of static. How do we sound out in? I've been monitoring at least on my iphone through the screen up and an iphone seven and it's been fine. Yeah okay but I can't say that about all the devices in the world but so you can be back to me. You sound fine. An appearance apparently going on. It seems like you're okay. Okay whatever I hear is what they hear basically what he's supposed to work unless you can cut her giving up okay so yes. I encourage everyone to read that article. That's why that's why they held this meeting privately because they probably don't want information to get out that they're considering this accelerate article for them. That would be a distinct attorney for people to go on if they're not sure that Looking out in their best interest that that interests that the family would want versus Or you know first and foremost the individual the one. That's sick and second of all the interest of the family who you know. I think in most Tation cases The next in candidate are typically. Who who make that call like in my case my wife or if I wasn't married and had delegated that to You know they were drills drills that go on like this every every year. They're drilled mass casualty at mass casualty drills that the areas groups first responders the military police departments fire departments. These these drills go on every year in these various departments. And it's it's kind of a wake up call when you're in one of these drills and you have to you know how make these decisions but it's more gut wrenching when you when you have to make these decisions and in reality in actual situations it's even more gut wrenching? WanNa make that different Hampshire. No trust me. You don't want to let alone let a complete stranger make it for me L. No you don't want that to happen either. Santa wrote Tulsi. Gabbard is involved with three hours when she has deployed. Actually probably is all right thinking with a high opener for sure. You're welcome so again. The link will be in the show notes. Please please please read the article It will make you think it'll make you think about what What you should be doing for yourself even in a non pandemic situation make sure that you know you have things in place that still gives you the power to decide what's going to happen to you or what medical care you're going to continue to receive or not. Make sure you maintain that power to do those things absolutely Europe all right next up. We opened with this audio cleaning contact with those medical attention. Please contact your local medical facility before writing again that all police department contain the spread Komen Nineteenth Wednesday at home shelter and audio video. That was going around on social media and it was included in an article entitled the. Us has neglected Indian country for years. Now comes a pandemic historic underfunding and policy loopholes. Leave native American communities monitorable without substantial corona virus relief on the article purdue with written by Rebecca Nagel and. She writes a Monday. A video emerged on social media. Police but you just heard In store parking lot telling shoppers by loudspeaker to go home and stay stay there because of the korunas virus outbreak video wasn't taken in Rome or New York City it was from keenly Arizona on the Navajo nation reservation. Nation confirmed its forty-ninth Kobe nineteen case Tuesday with a global pandemic already overwhelming hospitals and medical equipment around the world. Local health and government leaders are worried. The same will happen there. The reservation has one hundred and seventy hospital beds thirteen. Icu Beds and twenty eight ventilators total to serve its population of one hundred thousand people nationally. Health experts and tribal leaders are sounding the alarm. That native Americans are particularly vulnerable to the spread of coded. Nineteen so here again. You can see why getting morning into. Ihs IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. But yet you're filing it through. Cdc All right moving on here. Native Americans are more likely to live in overcrowded and intergenerational housing lack access to running water as I mentioned earlier big problem not a whole resume and the experience health disparities that increase their risk of Hospitalization and even death during the outbreak quote. When you look at the health disparities in Indian country they align exactly vulnerabilities the CDC citing close quote said Stacy Bowen CEO of the National Indian Health Board non. Stacey was on the call. You heard her voice at the opening of the health segment earlier. You GUYS NATIVE AMERICANS. Face the highest rates of diabetes and asthma in the country and are nearly twice as likely to die from influenza and pneumonia during the regular flu season. Navajo nation is one of five hundred. Seventy four federally recognized tribes fighting not only the growing outbreak but federal health system that has been underfunded and left native Americans behind for decades quote between the lack of funding the vulnerability of our communities the lack of access to equipment. We are the perfect storm for acquiring this disease. Close quote Bolin said Roseland so the director of Bonello area Indian Health Service or the IHS told the Navajo Nation Council during a special session on Friday. That she has sent home forty five employees from one service unit earlier that week over concerns related to the virus quote. I might as well close the door of that hospital if I get any more than that. There's no question. Federal Government has a special obligation to provide healthcare to native Americans. Close quote Representative Tom Cole. Are Republican of Oklahoma. Who Co chairs? The Caucus told vice quote. I always tell people look longer. WanNa meet these treaty obligations. Just give us back northern Mississippi. And we'll call it square close quote. He says referring to the homelands of his tribe chickasaw nation quoting again. They never go forward post. Go AHEAD OF COURSE. Not so there you go. That's why it's important. The money from the stimulus must make it to ending country now to spend allocated we gotta follow up and make sure that this happens. You guys shape or form. All righty brother. It is that time freedom freedom freedom freedom to what exactly no rank for me. Today I think people last week I got to step away from the MIC brother. As you start. Thank you sure. Sure sure we'll get right into it. The title of this article is microaggressions are not a harmless form of racism. They have a huge impact. Excuse me and this was written by Natalie more for Metro Dot. Co Dot UK and read. Racism comes in many forms and I spoke about microaggressions last week. That was my inclusion there for a second but there are two key categories overt and covert yes overt racism and covert racism overt racism. It's the obvious undeniable. Stuff the N. word the P. Word the aggressive openly. Hostile stuff colbert is sneakier. Harder depend point harder to call out. This is the category microaggressions fall into and many people of color in this country. Experience them on a daily basis on their own microaggressions might not might not seem like much and they can easily be brushed off in isolation but the accumulative effect a brushing off multiple micro aggressions every day can be draining demoralizing and utterly disheartening. The author goes on to say. I thought I advertised. Excuse me myself on a billboard to get a date what is a micro aggression micro aggression is a stance an instance. I should say excuse me of subtle indirect discrimination against a marginalized group. It doesn't always have to be about race that can be based on gender sexuality and physical ability to but they are commonly experienced by racial minorities. The dictionary says that microaggressions can be unintentional but the intention doesn't change the effects that these actions of statements have on people of color examples of micro aggression Leah Twenty Four said. She was called the wrong name by the receptionist and my office every day for six months. She just wouldn't line my name. This didn't happen with any of my white colleagues. She says the first few times I told her what my name was. But after about a month I just had to stop trying because it was too awkward. James Thirty three says I was at a Christmas party. A lot of my colleagues drunkenly came over to me and put their hands in my hair. She says I have a short afro and this person rubbed my head. I felt like a sheep. He goes on to say jerk in my head away but just kind of smiled awkwardly and snuck off to the bar. I didn't think I didn't fancy excuse me making a scene because they didn't think anyone would back me up I Cry Twenty. Six says this was at work and it was giving the talk and afterwards one of the people who had been in the crowd came up to me. He was an older white man. He said to me quoting you were so eloquent. In well-spoken is English your first language and a quote. I just stabbed him. What a question to ask. Well spoken than well-spoken one. Yup I wanted to ask if he had ever assume that any of his white colleagues. But I didn't of course Ginette thirty two and mixed race and I'm constantly constantly. Excuse me ask no we. Are you really throw? Yeah disagreeing with it. I've been situation myself. It may seem innocuous or like it's not a big deal but when being asked all the time it makes you feel like you don't belong anywhere you ask a white person that he really what you're really asking me is. Why do you look different? The tricky thing about microaggressions is that individually they precede that small they are daily commonplace interactions. That can't always be readily identified as racism by people who have little experience of it or in it this puts minorities who experience microaggressions and tough position as to speak out about seemingly small incident can be viewed as disproportionate bit this proportionate. Excuse me many people worry about being perceived as aggressive angry or it's playing the race card the impact of these microaggressions. That people who experienced them are often. Let's feeling powerless and afraid to speak out. That doesn't fit me practically in the workplace or out of fear of making friendships or professional relationships. Awkward it's actually not a new term. It was coined by Ibn University Hybrid User University professor chested empires in the nineteen seventies. These assaults to black did make the and black hope our incessant and humilate Kiev he. He wrote any single mine. Maybe gross in fact the major vehicle racism in this country is offenses down to blacks by whites. This sort of retool this never ending way. These offenses are microaggressions. He added that almost all racial interactions between black people and white people are categorized by these automatic and unconscious put-downs from high people. These many disasters accumulate. He says this is the sum total of multiple microaggressions by whites to blacks that has pervasive effect to the stability and peace of this world. It goes on to list a few things about microaggressions here. Only a couple of what are the effects of microaggressions research constantly shown just how damaging microaggressions can be for people who experienced there regularly. I Twenty Eighteenth Study in the Journal of Multicultural. Counseling and development found that counselors who had clients reporting race-based trauma. Eighty nine percent identified. Covert acts of racism as a contributing factor so remember microaggressions falling over arena of racism. Commonplace subtle nature of microaggressions can also have significant detrimental impact on the health of people of Color. Who experienced them so the rest of this will be in the show notes? There's one particular aspect here and another reason. Study of Native Americans with diabetes. A correlation was found between microaggressions and soap reported histories of heart attack disease depressive symptoms and prior-year aspiration despite the name these instances of racism and the behind but the impact and keenum cumulative trauma Israel and can be anything but Reiko so it just goes on to expound on that little bit. Please please read this article. If you can't be wary of you know statements or comments that are that you've heard made over over the years or comments that you might have made yourself. That seemed to not use. They could have they could be or could have been microaggressions. Absolutely is this a current sitting senator? Who made the statement twenty fifteen assimilation is an amazing thing a good example of how even our country assimilation didn't happen and it's minute disaster for for the people. It's been the native American population on the reservations If they were assimilated within a decade they'd probably be doing this for the rest of us that instead Seclusion and isolating them. We took their land and then we put them all in a small but they they don't do very well that was gop at the time. Presidential candidate rand. Paul who made that statement Apparently that's his some Asian of says native people in the country I would. I would certainly hope that is thinking has evolved since then of course Mr Mr Paul did vote for the care. Act IN SO I'm still trying to find out who wanted to cut some of the spending that was that we had requested for in the in so I suspect it was someone Republican Ilk But but it shows that sadly we still have folks like this in Washington or the uninvolved Way Of thinking clearly on educated relevant to American history and so there'll be an article. It's an older article in the show notes from Jillian brave noise cat which was last updated. Apparently March Twenty first of twenty sixteen. So it's got some data on it. the talks about the term is simulation and And how it's misunderstood misused and certainly used against us as as Indian people so so if you're committing a microaggressions or I guess if you're rand Paul but at the same time we do wish. Ram Paul Well in health because I understand he has contracted the Corona. Virus is a quarantined at the moment. But but hopefully He can learn a little bit about Those of us here in Indian country when when thinking about us in that context so okay we are fifteen minutes up to three hour mark already rolling right along here. Yes Sir. All right in other use. This is a little something else that people may not know about sacrifices. People are being asked asked to make sacrifices or they're being told they're gonNA make a sacrifice. Don't have choice and this article about a woman with Lupus who said her healthcare providers stopping her chloroquine prescription and thank her for the sacrifice. And she quote. She goes on to say quote the fact that they thanked me for my sacrifices disturbing in quote according again. I've never agreed sacrifice my health the possibly by my life and cannot believe that I am being forced to do so in quote this articles written by Tiny Chan and Dan Rea guy no for buzzfeed goes on to say a forty five year old woman with systemic Lupus. Retha re through my Tulsis that's l. e. said she received an online message from her healthcare provider stating it will no longer refill her buydell hydroxy. Chloro- coining prescriptions. Because that drug is being used to treat the critically ill with Kobe. Nineteen the disease caused by the Nobel Khurana virus. The letter thanked her for her sacrifice. Dale who lives in the Los Angeles area? I'm sorry as crazy. Dale lives in the Los Angeles area and asked only be identified by first name told about feed meals. She started crying upon receiving the message from her doctor's Office on Tuesday. She had previously called Kaiser Permanent Day. A major healthcare network based in Oakland about wider prescription was being denied and obviously this is what she sent due to current Kobe. Nineteen pandemic there is a worldwide shortage of power. Lynn collect when an politically nell or hydro hydroxy Cora quantity. I wouldn't even attempt. It obviously been studying. I'd be like Hydro Classic Talk. About close enough. We're therefore conserving the current supply for those who are critically with Kobe. Nineteen we are working very hard every day doing everything. We can to find ways to replenish this medication as soon as possible. During this time you should continue to take the remaining pills you have on schedule unless otherwise struck by your prescribing physician. Please do not contact your physician about the exception process to get a refill. Their prescriptions will not be filled. Even if written by Your your physician. Excuse me I dropped. So chloroquine does build up a level and the system at stays in your body for an average of forty days. Even after the last dose is taken. If you do run out of medication fill the conditioner significantly worsening. Please contact your doctor and discuss alternative treatments. Thank you for your sacrifice. You'll be making for the second lows or critically ill. They'll said she's been taking medication for a decade and she's scared about possible consequences to our own health and the pandemic if she is forced to stop taking her medication she says. I am calling. I am already amend the Immuno compromised and not taking. This medication will likely put me into a Lupus flair making serious complications from Kobe. More likely unquote she says and the rest of this article will be in the show notes. I it's it's just amazing that people are being forced to do this. I haven't just somewhat speechless. It's kind of goes to the the other article attorney that you had brought forward about resuscitation. Because you know you've got people making decisions without you know consulting the patient and or the patient's permission and this decision came from insurance company her doctor from an insurance company and not too. Yeah exactly again. Well okay good trimming on them a second. Thank you and I'm I'm leaning towards the the belief that the decision for the health insurance companies to tell their their clients. This sort of thing came from the administration of the fool in the White House. They can just make that call on their own. Somebody had to tell them. Hey We want you to stop you know paying for this drug for these people cause we're going to do something else with it. So that's that's my that's my mic. The area probably owes more water than most people. WanNa give credence well again. On the on the subject of qualifications to obtain funding for something insurance companies are notorious for this as well and ensure something personal. I may have shared this on the show already. But if I haven't it's a little bit graphic so let me give you preference ahead of time. I mentioned Over the course of the years during the show Dad I've always struggled with my weight. You know you know over two hundred pounds and at one point. My weight got up to three hundred sixty eight pounds. And that's that's the way I wanNA lamey on a surgical table but prior to being laid on the surgical table and the reason for the surgery was a had gastric bypass prior to the surgery. My doctor my surgeon had to call the insurance company to in order for me to be qualified for the surgery through my insurance. The insurance probably denied the procedure. I was in the office of my surgeon when he called the medical director of the Insurance Company. That had at the time and he says to the person on the other end. Let me explain to you the procedure that I'm going to be doing because the denial that I received the insurance company was that I was having quote cosmetic surgery. The doctor told the director of the Insurance Company. Quote paraphrasing a little bit. I want you to understand the procedure that I'm about to undergo with this patient. I'm opening this patient's body cavity surgically altering internal organs of this patient so that this patient may eat less and lose weight. I am enclosing this. Patient's body cavity. Where does the cosmetic park comment? He said medical director said to him here on the phone. I'm sorry but that is our policy. We see this as cosmetic even though my surgeon said the health benefits of such a surgery are reduced risk of diabetes reduce risk of other health complications of which your company would benefit from meeting the insurance company. True Story and yet. This is what we're dealing with. We're dealing with not necessarily sensitive people but people that care only about stock portfolios and money by the pool and the house right now is trying to get people to go. Go back to work by Sir. Because he's trying to appease his but he's in their concerns over their stock portfolio. It's not worth the health risks folks and if he continues to push that narrative they're going to be people he'll be responsible for their deaths directly. I'm already making that Claim anyway because of how late he and the administration got on this to begin with. We have people that died in this country. Now if you WANNA throw stones at me and say oh you went too far. That's fine hosts with an Asos that native opinion dot com. But he for sure will be responsible for deaths. It continues to push that narrative to get people back to work. I don't have a job right now. Other than a show. I would very much like to make an income again but not at the risk of somebody dying. So that's where I sit with us Last article I have here today. Changing subjects on you guys don't want to end on a positive note and has nothing to do whatsoever with Kobe. Nineteen about that. Nothing title. A federal court delivers a victory for Su- tribe another blow for the Dakota access pipeline. I did okay so pedal here reads prior environmental assessments of the pipeline. Were inadequate the judge ruled sending the United States Army Corps of Engineers back to do more exhaustive review author. And this was Phil McKenna. Article here goes to say and a major victory for opponents of the controversial to me is not controversial is a problem and a major victory. That's where opponents of the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline. A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that the prior environmental assessments. And and let me let me give you some context that happened in twenty seventeen those assessments. Let's all or backward doing here That the prior environmental assessments failed to fully consider the impact of the project. Now the standing rock Sioux tribe said this like a broken record when the Nishel assessment had come out from the Army Corps said. There's no way that this is accurate. And what happened? Trump pushed through anyway when his help from at the time? All let's see. The Secretary of the Interior was Ryan Zinke and his EPA administrator Scott Pruitt at the time that for relying only brother your article. Your article goes on here to say the corps of Engineers will now have to undertake a more thorough review so full. Stop right there. So whatever. Labor was committed put towards that initial flawed assessment. Okay the federal government spent the money to have that flawed assessment done. Now they're gonNA have to do it. I gain so they're gonNA spend money twice. There's going to be equal pressure on the core of engineers to come back with the same result but we take it as a victory because they have to do what they were supposed to do. Thoroughly wasted money. We've certainly wasted time. We've certainly told a tribe that they're full of ads and y'all say the white man in charge got their way anyway because the pipeline is flowing crude article was saying the pipeline crosses the Missouri River just upstream from the reservation or the Standing Rock Sioux tribe of North North and South Dakota gained international attention. Starting in the summer of two thousand sixteen thousands flocked to the reservation in support of the tribes opposition to the pipeline. The project was approved by the trump administration and completed in June of two thousand seventeen remains unclear however whether the twelve hundred mile pipeline which ships crude oil from North Dakota Dale annoys will have to be shut down during a new assessment by the corpse in a process that could take years full stop. This was brought up back then if you going to do a Nipah review an environmental assessment of the impact. And here's why this makes zero sense anyway pipes in the ground. You're going to do assessment on the impact of something that has already impacted. Okay so by all accounts you should stop the flow of crude through that pipe until such is done. But you see. It's very interesting how they always say well. We're not sure if we'RE GONNA stop the production right. Stop the people that live along Hawaii we're concerned because the pipe goes underground under the lake back out the other side. I worried about their only water. Supply poisoned yeah going to reassess it and that's a good thing but like I said way too late way too late. Lastly here in a quote this core ultimately concludes that too. Many questions remain unanswered. Close quote Jane. Judge James E boasts boast Berg of the United States District Court for the District of Columbia Road in a ruling released Wednesday. Quoting him again. Unrebutted expert critiques regarding leak Detection Systems Operator. Safety records adverse conditions and worst case. Discharging mean that. The easement approval remains highly controversial close quote under Nipah or the National Environmental Policy. Act close quote. The Army Corps must now complete an environmental impact statement a detail segment of any pretension this worldwide. So stupid. Not Stupid. That needed to be done stupid. Because it's after the fact the army must now complete an environmental impact statement a detailed assessment of any potential environmental harm. They might result from the project for the portion of the pipeline that crosses beat Neath Lake. Oh why and a dammed section of the Missouri River in North Dakota so the rest of the being show notes but yeah I wanNA call this breaking news because it should be. We've been following the plight of the People Mashpee lopping on their reservation and their fight to keep their land and the trust I got. I read an article this morning. dated March twenty seven from the chairman. And it's a message from the chairman. We will take action to prevent the loss of our land as a four PM. Today on the very day. United States has reached a record. One hundred thousand confirmed cases of chronic virus and our tribe is desperately struggling with responding to this devastating pandemic. The Bureau of Indian Affairs informed me that the secretary of the Interior has ordered that our reservation be disestablished and that our land be taken out of trust. Not since the termination era of the mid twins twin. An century has a secretary taken action to the established reservation. The action was cruel and it was unnecessary. The secretary is under no court order to take our land out of trust. He has fully aware that litigation to uphold our status tribe eligible for the benefits of the Indian reorganization. Act is ongoing. It begs the question. What is driving our federal trustee crusade against our reservation. Were Dallas of the answer. We the people of the first light have lived here since before. There was a secretary of the Interior. Since before there was a secretary of Massachusetts State. Excuse me Massachusetts. Since before the pilgrims arrived for him it years ago we have survived. We will continue to survive. This is our land. These are lands of our ancestors and believes will be the lands of our grandchildren. This administration has come and it will go but we will be here always. We will not rest until we are treated equally with our other federally recognized tribes and the status of a reservation is confirmed will continue to provide updates on this important problem. He wrote issue but problem in the coming days as we take action to prevent the loss of trust status and goes on to list his name and the chairman. Cedric Cromwell. Promised say we will keep you updated about this and this is the latest travesty. That's that's following this tribe Due to the actions of Department of Indian affairs which is under no legal obligation to do what they've done so my my sincere wishes go out to them to continue the fight to be successful in their fight and hopefully somebody will see that you know what's being done is not right in do something to correct it. Extremely frustrating only get only get done today element see if I can on his phone number but I can see if I can email him. The problem says the problem. The problem is you know. Get get to people through people right so so I don't number anymore but if somebody through my historic channels maybe I can get them that way to find out when I switched all by numbers over his number one of the ones that let what my new phone that my chains you all right. Haha. Let's see toy can even breaking news. This is this is not gonNA stop got all different aspects. That are all on the ground. Legally all nine men but but first and foremost everybody stay safe. GotTa stay healthy get flight. If you're not healthy. Simple simple as we appreciate. You guys know this. This episode was long for sure and again You know for for anybody who really wants to dive into the numbers if you go to youtube channel and and or our facebook page to find those slides with the narration and video basically had put together on. Please please share those with other relatives. That they they know what's been proposed. My name is Michael. 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FULL Unedited Arizona Senate Hearing of the Maricopa County Audit

The Charlie Kirk Show

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FULL Unedited Arizona Senate Hearing of the Maricopa County Audit

"Hey everybody the unedited senate hearing for the audit results here at yourself. Only thing i'll ask you to do. Please consider supporting the charlie kirk. Show podcast charlie kirk dot com slash support. We just take the audit hearing. I thought it was so important that you hear it. You listen to the details and listen to our sister episode where we give our commentary on it. Charlie kirk dot com slash support. That's charlie dot com support. Thank you to allan. thank you to maria. And thank you to brian for your very generous support that allows us to do what we do. At charlie kirk dot com slash support. This is the unedited senate hearing of the maricopa county audit. I think you will all enjoy it. Buckle up here we go charlie. What you've done is incredible here. Maybe charlie kirk on the college campus. We are lucky to have charlie. Charlie kirks running the white house. I want to thank charlie. He's an incredible guy his spirit his love of this country's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organisations ever created turning point. Usa he will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries destroyed lives and we are going to fight for freedom campuses across the country. That's why that is a true statement. They were close now. I find it. Ironic that our secretary state and a few others have called this a sham audit. That you can't trust it you can't believe it well. The interesting fact is truth is truth. Numbers are numbers. And we've said that from day one what you're going to see exactly what it is the truth and those numbers were close within a few hundred. But what you have not seen and not heard yet which is what you're going to hear right now. What you have not seen and you have not heard is about the statutes that were broken. How chain of custody was not followed. How we had a number of issues which is why people questioned the ballots in the elections. So i ask that you. Please keep an open mind. I please ask that you listen to this because the reality of this is what this is all about is making sure. Your vote counts tentative. Peterson's thank you madam president. I would join you and welcome everybody here. Who's here in person listening or watching this historic event. This is the first time in the history of our country that an audit of the scale and magnitude has ever been conducted. It's unfortunate that it is an incomplete audit because due to the lack of cooperation and the obstruction from the county. However in spite of that this is still the most complete audit that has ever been done. The goal here as the president has said is election integrity. our citizens have demanded it. The importance of our society. Having faith in the election process cannot be overstated. The number she gave people had concerns was significant. But even if it was much less it would still merit this type of an audit to bring reassurance to our citizens this report should help. The senate understand what has been working what needs improvement and whether further investigation by law enforcement should occur. So i look forward to receiving this report with all of you at this time. Thank you senator peterson with that. We will start with our first presenter. Our first presenter is joining us via zoom because he lives on the east coast. His name is dr sheva. He was the one commission by the senate And that was because we finally got the envelope. Ballots are the ballot envelopes. So we could check signatures or lack thereof in. This was his part of the audit. Dr sheva welcome to the arizona. Senate how are you today through him. We honorable content. Absolu- senator abused thank you. The floor is yours please proceed. Thank you before. I started presentation at this is also accompanied by a report. I just to make one prefatory remark. And that is As apollo to senator peterson and we live in the age of what we call. Engineering systems complex systems taking airplane using an iphone self driving cars. These are highly a complex systems. But what are known in. The modern world is the generic systems are election. Voting systems are also engineering systems. And i want to thank the leadership of the senate the stakeholders because taken on historic A step here to bring the same level of engineering systems capabilities. Election voting systems and one of those attributes is that whether an anomaly small or large or insignificant her monumental you all must be welcomed because from an engineering standpoint can only do one thing we've just enhanced the system so as a senator fan of president fan said i'm going to be sharing with you a particular area that we looked at which was looking at the Early voting ballot return envelope images. And that's what. I'm going to share these begin. I'm going to start the car. And i think i think i need to share the screen All right let me start here. So the title of this talk is pattern recognition classification of early voting ballot returned. The screen is blank one. I'm sharon always a technical problem. We start again. Try that hand erico. Thank you that worked okay. And so the title. As i said as he pattern recognition classification early voting ballots return on those images for signature presence detection. We're not doing signature detailer vacation but we're doing signature detection and we're taking engineering approach. The let me begin. I will go through this agenda Little bit of background. We're going to review the maricopa results. We're gonna go through. What our analysis resulted and then compare them and then report on some key findings in anomalies also raise questions for miracle officials and then proposed recommendations so the executive summary of this to sort of summarize a whole talker today at findings is that the early voting ballot the return on globe. You really want to think about. That's really the protective vehicle. I wish the edb does the early voting ballot is transported and processed and the authentic the authentication. The verification of the signature on the edb return envelope is critical to reliability the entire process and our audit reveals anomalies raising questions on the verify ability of the signature verification process. So let's begin so a little bit of background. You can read more about it. But i was selected. I was honored to be selected because my background for more than forty years has been in the field of pattern recognition ossification system science and it goes back a long period of time but just very briefly you know in this field. You look at reality. In this case. We're looking at the electric. The election voting the early voting System and then you try to model. That's science and engineers do for example. For many years. I looked at how babies were processing sleep and trying to understand their system looking at sleep pattern. Same in the area of death. Line communication again. You have reality yet signals. Same area looking at a bridge and you get signals based on the signals. You're trying to predict response out on that bridge and same if you look at an aircraft wing that having to open it up you look at these signals and you're trying to predict stowing on and for many years. We did a project on game. Handwritten check normals and these different areas including email looking at. What's inside of an email system. These are all pattern recognition problems. And in fact. If you look at food trying to figure out we'll pause different kinds of diseases but the reality in this area looking at the the real world and you know you can look at the heart nigger look the cardiovascular system of at and you can say i have some states of this system which are normal signals. I'm some steaks which are abnormals. So in this case what we're looking at. We have the early voting ballots system and we have the early voting ballot. Return envelope images. These are the signals that you received to try to figure out what's going on inside that system. So you have the reality took place and you have the expression about which is embodied in those images and this is what one of those images looks like. You have a image. You have upper left the name of the voter and here you of the signature and we were asked a part of the slope of this audit not to look anywhere else than to look in the signature region and to look to see if there is a normal status signature there or the abnormals states blacks split into him all talk about more detail complete blind or likely wine or what we call. A scribble scribble is something trying to get into the direction of a west this signature given valid. Okay and it's a very very rudimentary step. We took not full signature gratification right so early. Voting ballots system. And you have these images so before we had into the actual process weeded. Let's get the reality of what this is on the left side. The absolute reality what was reported by the miracle county in their voter education in fact boats elder canvas report. And what we see here if you look earlier here are the numbers that they reportedly twenty sixteen but more importantly we're concerned about twenty twenty and in two thousand eight hundred twenty. One of the lines and their report is called. The early ballots verified and counted which has one million nine hundred fifteen thousand or in eighty seven and rejected early ballots. Which are these numbers. The ones that were included in the final count bad signatures which means they went through a signature verification process and out of that five hundred eighty seven out of the one million nine hundred. Eighteen thousand four hundred sixty all of them were deemed to be bad signatures. The way we get this numbers you take all of the ones that were refine and counted the ones that were bad signatures. There were some renault signatures were blanks and then returns so to be clear. According to the report this was a total number of early voting ballot return envelope received by miracle county to make it a little more clear. We have one million nine hundred. Eighteen thousand five hundred sixty three total unique even turn envelopes of which one thousand four hundred fifty five were found techno signatures and at the end there was the the amount of one million nine hundred. Seventeen thousand eight was ready for signature. Fixation and as a result of that finer eighty seven were found to have bad signatures now signature verification. It's a detailed process. You can read the report. Reward but counties vary and miracle bus considered along with florida apparently have one of the better signature verification processes but according to that out of the entire lot of one million nine hundred eighteen sixty three five eight eighty seventy seven after the verification process. Where some of those at the signature and they look at the voter registration signatures. They're doing typically. It was twenty seven point analysis so five hundred eighty seven prompt had signatures nine hundred thirty four with late returns for total amount which matches with what was reported of one million nine hundred fifteen thousand four hundred eighty seven this is. Mariko was reported results to the public. This scope of our audited just to going to go through the stove this audit by also going through the process so they'll be somewhat educational when early voting ballots. Some people which is a subset of those are called. Mail in ballots are submitted. Those ballots are image which means scan converted to digital images so the return envelopes. We're talking about the album side. The covering at work covering within which is contained. The ballot is scan before they're even tabulated so the return envelopes are opened and scan okay and those images in fact there are six different kinds of e return envelope formats. Let me walk you through some of them. And here's the little bit closer. Let me walk through some of them so this is a majority of them we call. We've called the standard image offices for our lingua franca. This may not be the standard language but This presentation so this is one way that they look. There are also another sick. Call uqaab image files and there's three different arts here. You have the signature here. The date here the name of the voter here another version. That is a little more complicated. More of an affidavit signatures here the name of the voters here and obviously we redacted stuffs for privacy and a third type of yukata is taxi seat so you have a the and finally we have large image files l. i. s. and these are for people who have trouble seeing so the instructions everything larger and then finally you have rail for six different image formats that we have to process. Let me walking. Through the council we got we got a a a dry with all of these images on them the sis. Which was the first person. I show you showed you. There's one million nine hundred. Nineteen thousand five hundred ninety eight ninety nine point five percent as eight thousand eight hundred forty nine point nine percent the. Ufb's tune seventy seven point four percent and we go to the is's which of the the affidavits which small separate point of a one percent and then finally made the large format which or four hundred seventy five point zero to four percent and the braille about twenty nine of them on. Oh two percent that added up to all of them so for the audit we were provided by the arizona. State senate one million nine hundred twenty nine thousand seven hundred forty and these were apparently all the ev return envelopes. That maricopa county okay. What we noticed we looked at. This is fascinating our first interesting. I guess wasn't an anomaly. But something we were a little bit surprised that we thought duplicates remote removed they were duplicates in your so. We had to rule do against two out of those said there were duplicates so these look we found about not about sixteen thousand nine hundred thirty four voters who had submitted sixteen thousand nine hundred thirty four to copy because there's means each of those voters submitted to ballots okay to return early. Voting ballot return on builds interesting enough. We also found another hundred eighty voters you need. Voters would submitted three hundred seventy six duplicates so the total image count was five sixty four when she removed the duplicates right. Because you wanna take one. And then finally we found also for individuals who submitted fall duplicates totally just being sixteen so the total duplicates was thirty. Four thousand four hundred forty eight total images of which seventeen thousand three hundred thirty two or three hundred twenty two were duplicates from seventeen thousand one hundred twenty six bowers. This is by the way we'll get to was not reported in the report. So when you look at the first level of analysis on our the data that we got one million nine hundred twenty nine thousand two hundred forty return on those receive we subtract duplicates and then we have one million nine hundred eleven nine hundred eighteen thousand and so the the process that we were commissioned for was to do a very basic analysis to see. Is there a signature there or not signature presence detection so in that process again. The goal is is their signature there in the signature region. Interesting off some people. Don't follow instructions right all over. But it wasn't our job to go skiing everywhere. Our jobs to look in that signature region against specifically look in that signature region. One category of signature region has a signature other categories. Blind likely struggle just to keep it real simple very simple pacification if it's zero percent. Non white pixel density which means nothing in that area. It's a black. If it has a little bit zero percent or greater but no more than point one percent like this example. Here we put it into another category just for early classification purposes. We call it a likely wang and then if was greater than one percent density greater than one percent or that was denoted as and what's interesting at anything over greater than person by the way this is actually this should be quite one percent to one percent slight mistake here so this is greater than one percent. Okay so let me repeat this to be raven point one percent less than one percent and this is greater than one percent right then. What we did was we did distribution per. We looked at all of the ballots and we did a distribution of pixel densities just to give you an idea of how liberal he were an accepting something as a signature. So if you look at this it was only this little area here which is between point one one percent. That's the definition of non white pixel density that verbal everything else we were quite liberal and accepted doses signatures even our analysis so again we were not hired do signature verification right now after this typically signature verification. Take him through the county did and then they would also open up then. The balanced open up the envelopes tabulate. Let's go to our signature presence detection we took we took a ballot or could be any Fruitfully classified it into one of these six categories. That's the system dead. And then for each one of the for those we remove the duplicates share and then we looked at the ballots wants view in which one it was we identified. What kind of region. Extract extracted the region if possible though this was not part of the stope we also try to extract the name able to do that burtless dipping ninety nine percent of them so we also use different types of classified which is in pattern recognition. Look out for each one of these different kinds of outlets. Joel generally put him into one of these four buckets. So let's look at the results. So we're i in a look at the non duly which means all those early voting. He symbol return envelopes which were non duplicates and here we see predominantly ninety nine point seven seven percent. We denoted a signature anything greater than one percent pixel density ripples. We found one percent two thousand five hundred twenty and the fell into groups that definitive blanks of one thousand seven seventy one and the likely ranks. One is adds up to one hundred percent. Then we also look at the council of these you had to be clear two thousand four hundred twenty scribbles and we have one thousand eight hundred seventy two blanks. We put both of these together in our some similarly. We now went and looked. This is a little more complicated at the to copy duplicates because we had to deal with those substantial amount thirty four thousand thirty thousand and more so the duplicate recognitions linked into three In fact three groups southern so there could be you know you have the you think about it the mother and the son or the mother and the daughter okay or the parent and the child relationship so one of the two one could have been a signature. One could have had a signature. One could have had a signature rather blang. One could have had a signature likely blank. One combat his signature received denotes scribble if any one of them had signature. We said okay. We followed his signature. Alternatively trivial area one could scribble under could have been blanked went could have been a scribble other been lightly lined convinced scribbling. Scribble these denoted as firms in that case. And then finally you had ones that are blank blank. Unlikely unlikely likely. Those were denoted as so. Let me just give you some feeling with these. Look like so here is one from the same person again for the purpose. Were not allowed to share the names of voters etc. But you can see here that here's one. There is a signature here and there is a signature here but they are both the same. These both signs of two ballots both signed another example is one is signed and the other is a blank complete blank here. Back in the signature regions another is sign and the other words are likely blankets. Got some stuff here so economic categorized as likely. Here's an example reassigned one but you have a scribble over here and then here we have the hero of scribble. But here you have a blank but it it's been verified and approved and we'll talk about this later. We'll come back to this here. you have one. That's scribble little bit since stuff here and likely one and the one distributor was brewed. Here you have to scribbles and one of them was approved vaccines and here. You have one with a blank and a blank and this blank has been approved and here we have one which is a blank and a likely blank likely blank the little group and similarly over here we have a signature and a likely blank and again the likely is being approved. And here's an example of a free copy one. We had three copies duplicates all blank. And we'll come back to showing how they're approved now and here's an example of three copies verbals. So that gives you an understanding of the flavor of these the analysis we have to do to copy duplicates and so on those two copies we categorize these ones angriness signatures. The ones in red. Israel's in the ones in blank as a sorry black is blank once in rats. So you gonna have to copy sixteen thousand nine hundred eighty four and these are the counts on that one hundred and fifty scribbles from the to copy forty five blanks from the to copy interesting and we had three copy and four copy analysis. We had to do. I'm not gonna go to all the details of this. But there were also three copying four copy Do get it. There were two sets of three copies. Wang i'm sorry up two sets which were scribbled vibe which were wang. So now we do. The totals calculations. So if you add the non look blanks. One thousand eight hundred. Seventy two two copy duplicate blanks. Forty five to three copied wax you to so one thousand nine hundred nineteen similar griego scribbles. Twenty four twenty for the non deletes fifty five for the to copy five of the three copy. We get two thousand five hundred eighty so our results state that we received one million nine hundred twenty nine thousand two hundred forty seventeen thousand twenty two or move to get this many unique return envelopes. And then we subtracted the non signature and will we call super bowls to come up with a total one million nine hundred seven thousand four hundred nineteen to this is what we would have sent to in this analysis should have gone to signatures purfication now. A student competitive an awesome just looking signed by what echo mantle uncovered from the audit. And what miracle manhattan so how many. Edb return on gloves receive. Well in the drive at your see. This is an upper. But we don't know in fact it's not rewarded in the miracle or or how many actual return envelopes they receive the duplicates. We have seventeen thousand three in twenty two which will be subtracted this unreported. So when you compare the unique. Add return envelope so he find his miracle. Ba has six thousand five hundred forty five more than we have in the section of those image fox after your real do now go to the signature presence detection. We discovered one nine thousand nine hundred signatures. They reported fourteen defy so in this case we have four hundred. Sixty four more blanks in the scribbles. They don't have us verbals category. And we'll discuss that. We start thinking about the scribbles. Potential bad signatures will get some insight but at the end of the day. What went to signature. Verification at maricopa was one million nine hundred seventy thousand eight which is nine thousand five hundred eighty nine hundred eighty nine more than we would have sent retuned to this analysis they also had bad signatures and lake returns as we pumped by now. I want to go to the key findings and anomalies. You've seen the process. You've understood the methodology. We've gone through some detail let's go to the highlights here so these are the key findings and i'm going to go through each one of them one of the findings it's unknown. How many edb return on Originally received by america we had thirty four thousand five hundred eighty eight duplicates from seventeen thousand one hundred twenty six thousand eight voters is actually duplicate images miracle were no duplicates the mccandless report. We have four hundred sixty four more no signatures between lancs than Identify that were identified by versus america. Maricopa has six thousand apartment where he fight more unique a unique. Edb return envelopes. This is what's interesting if you consider our struggles again. Him very very low tolerance and pattern recognition. Having done this for over forty years you know we could have used like thirty six. We used one. Single future pixel density. We would love to use more features just using that one feature at a very low. Racial threshold is key here. We identified two thousand five hundred eighty scribbles. Which would assume they're all bad signatures. Maricopa identified point three one percent which is looked at five eighty. Seven represents this actually represents four times. Then we'll come back to their finally. Mariko has nine thousand permanent. Eighty nine more nat. Edp on blows that was submitted to signature tariffication versus what we have. And we're also gonna see shortly is ever gonna see that we also saw through further announced the twenty five percents virgin duplicates in the last six days between november fourth. To the nine. We also saw some very interesting other. Anomalies were blanks. Duplicates were being stamped verified and approved. We also stamps verified and approved in black signage regions. And i'll share you though chevrolet those. What's more interesting unconsidered. Potentially a critical anomaly is that we saw verified and a group stamps appearing defying the envelopes. And i'll show you this. It's almost as though it was image on there. I don't want to say you know photoshop. But honor but it's despite fascinating. I'm sure there's some explanation for this. And then finally we have cases where we have two different varieties having the same address. Same phone same name with matching signatures. So let's go look at it. Somebody's anomalies little more graphically anomaly. Want miracle rewarded only five hundred eighty seven bad signatures to give you some idea that's owed three hundred percent and for people who don't didn't really like math. I thought it a little more victoria. So this'll be one bad signature for every three thousand hundred sixty eight early voting ballot envelope. So if you think about one million nine hundred. Eighteen thousand. Four hundred sixty. Three early voting ballots unique. Ones at maricopa said they got and for each paper by seismic superior Point one millimetre you put them up you get. Six hundred. thirty feet emphasized longer not Of the saint. Louis art that height when compared to the bad signatures. If you only by two point three one inches sadistic pictorial understanding of very very. Low percentage was considered at so again. That will be to be speak point. Oh three oh. Six percent of all easy return envelopes were deemed as bad signature in our case the anomalies we discovered two thousand five hundred eighty bad signatures scribbles again. Very low tolerance point one three five percent and to give idea just to state and again. We were not commissioned identified. We were commissioned identified the present lancs ripples in signatures not to perform your vacation so scribbles alone were considered bad signatures acclimated self identify three hundred thirty five percent more bad signatures than maricopa but difference entire signature fictitious process. Very when you're and by the way if we look back at the state of arizona twenty sixteen general election out of the two million ballots that came in. They had a signature mismatch rate of point. One three percent close to what we would have had. We just included those right again just restate. The scribbles are very very low threshold. We were not asked to do signature verification again. Anything between point one one percent pixel density. The third anomaly is this is again focusing on signatures. We did a randomized analysis of just Supervisor review tunes human reviews randomly looking at signatures. legibility again. This is a wonderful analysis. That could be handwriting four weeks before the election in forty days after we can't share with you this obviously but we found out four weeks. The board ninety five percent were legible signatures and only five percent were illegible but four days after five percent legible. Ninety percent were illegible. If i were to eat map again this representation it would look like this. The red represents eligibility and green represents legibility. It would look like this if you wanted to actually do this. We had more of. We were commissioned to do this week despite you can see a market difference between legibility. There could again be explanation for this fourth anomaly as edb's dreams the electronic voting ballot where on the increase by fifty three percent in the general election. Twenty six to twenty twenty maricopa bad signatures decrease. Let me explain what i mean by that. So in two thousand sixteen. Which is you know the previous election. Two twenty twenty one million two hundred fifty seven thousand one hundred seventy nine return envelopes or submitted. One thousand four hundred fifty six were considered to have a mismatch with rejection rated point one one. Six in twenty twenty be had nearly fifty six percent. Sorry fifty percent more return envelopes but the signature mismatch rate goes down by nearly fifty six percent so has gone down by a significant number. Here can nearly four times so this is the other two came down and very interesting inverse relationship. Which would be again one of the questions. We have miracle number. Five is there's no mention of duplicates in america canvas report again if you look here. Here's a canister report there's no mention of duplicates we in our case we found seventeen thousand twenty six voters sent in two or more balanced as duplicates his. You seem before anomaly. Sex is twenty five percent plus or more of the duplicates came in during never worn to the nine essentially on election day. And after so. How did we find this. Well here's a plot again. Let me walk you through the y. Axis is a number of early voting. Alad return on loads and were plotting and by date and again. This is based on the dry. We got which retained stamp by particular days so almost like an interesting heartbeat here so on this day. Ten fourteen. Nearly two hundred thousand envelopes came in on this day. Nothing so you get this interesting heartbeat signal. Then what we did was we said. Why don't we on top of this layer in the blanks criminals and duplicates again. Since the the access sport the bees is higher than on the right access on the left axis. I've been the totals for this rebels. Langston duplicates what's fascinating. Is you notice in the early part. Things are following the heartbeat. Okay but somewhere along here. Particularly on october twenty six is heartbeat starts sort of suffering particularly the saccharin line is the duplicates to have. The duplicates stopped matching in many ways as heartbeat. So here everything stops. It will be dead. Was we did further analysis on the blanks. I'm sorry the duplicates and the and this is what's interesting so what were plotting here is the duplicates as a function of the daily percentage of. So here's a signal oh. Uc as you see suddenly this what you may call a significant growth in percentage in fact then several of these days. There's ninety six percent of the ballots that canaan onto these days are so there is a serious number duplicates. In fact the area under the service posted thirty percent twenty five or thirty percent of the duplicates came in between november to november done and that motivated us to also on the same plot drop the blanks in scribbled and you see the same phenomenon there and only seven. I ought to then the next anomaly as we also noted that the three three system which is the system that is one that contains all the early voting ballots had nine hundred thirty two voters who submitted duplicates versus seventeen hundred. Twenty six that we identify. What's fascinating is when we matched those nine hundred thirty two voters against our seventeen twenty six only two thousand one hundred thirty eight voters match merely that again. The thirty three as we understand. We're not experts at. This is a system where all the early voting ballots are stored when that was gone through and found that nine thousand three eighty two those were voters duplicates clearly. This should be a subset of ours. Because we're supposed to have all the early voting ballots we found on only two thousand one hundred thirteen act. And let me just walk you through some of these duplicates where the duplicates are stamped also rude so you see the duplicate and here. It's being stamped. Nothing on your speaking of duplicate duplicate to this money's being improved and again all of these came in after november fourth saying here another duplicate being approved and a blank. Here's another one example three to duplicates get the blank being brewed same here for example and there are many others that these are pure blanks. And they're being approved. in fact. this is a three copy. Duplicates were were approved so one voter sent three copies and to got approved. Another one is three copy. Duplicates where one group or the next anomaly is verified and approved in the blank signature region. So what i mean by that so this is planning but the verified and improve disappear in writing the blind and this process issues which often get answers to so same here. Same thing here. The verified approved right there and then finally. This is an interesting anomaly where we have to ev bees from between bb's where people have the same voter riding same name address number with matching signatures to different motorized. These okay so we had to redact this but imagine if you could see this person's name here and address which is the same as the name and address here very similar matching signatures same numbers but the two different voter eighties during meet again. Two different voter. Id's saying name matching signatures as you look if you looked at. The visually saint fundraisers and another example here. Actually there are three examples here another person here. We call by the way. This is not a person. Called john doe. This is just to prefer to protect the innocent. And this is jane doe again matching signatures same address. Same phone number but two different motorized these saying here two different voter. Id's same address. Same name we don't have the phone number here. We had three examples then. Finally last anomaly on shows where we saw something fascinating is where they're fight approved stam and you have to look carefully encourage behind. The envelope. triangle makes plante. So if you look at this carefully. This is an image of an envelope. Here is a triangle which is pointing people to print here. Now you would think if if was stamped the stamp should be over this image but it is actually behind trying all right and you see it here again. close up. These are all different ballots which riposte november fourth predominantly where the image of the verified and approved is behind this. Now maybe this is done for good reason. Maybe it's an imaging technology but typically you if you use photoshop have layers but i want to even accuse that but i just want to say that it is interesting that verified and improves be hiding the envelope here. The envelope trang so again. There's some examples here so questions. These are the questions we have or american officials. One is did miracle receive any duplicates again. I've gone through. we received. We have in our possession. Thirty four thousand four hundred forty eight images representing seventeen duplicates from seventeen thousand one hundred twenty six others to copy copy copy were duplicate does not show as humored report but it would be interested enough duplicates exist. The second one is ever reason that echo male has no more no signatures. That were by. America is it because we solely on lies only the signature region and if not why the next question is why did echo more scribbles in miracle was reporting at bats again. This comes to the point which. I probably emphasize enough here. But if arsenal's of that less than one percent point one percent pixel density were considered signatures that is significantly more freedom four times more than america was five hundred eighty seven signatures. And the other question of the date. Stamps in the directories we had the date on which the add return on boats to receive my miracle officials. We've assumed that when we did our time temporal charts and finally why this brutal stand verified intergroup appeared exists only on a small subset of the ev return envelopes all the one point nine million the that verified and approved refined most of them exist actor eleven or after election day but very few sprinkles out of all those on lobes our initial supervise review reveals. Maybe ten percent have the stamp on the other is did maricopa stamp. Some easy return on loves as even be approved even those nature even though signature is black since they found a signature elsewhere and that would be good to now. How did they do that. What is the judaization process. Finally all of this leads to a very warm instead of. Thanks from an engineering standpoint. What is standard operating procedure. We call a nestle. Edd processing if in any engineering system. You have the soap's because again we're relying on this very very important process of the signature and its verification. What is sap for the signature verification. And what is your soapy procuring of questionable sutures and finally what is a chain of custody. A little bit more about that. In the last set of question is why was there sudden surge of duplicates during eleven for eleven nine which is incongruent with trend. We were seeing the early voting ballot. Return envelope camps. Finally why is it. Verified and approved stamped envelope appeared behind the printed envelopes triangle. How does that happen is imaging. That's done are the envelope sprint data. I mean it's a very. I have a question from an imaging sample and the other question is can tune voter. Id's intuitive from voter id's be associated with satan personal the same address matching signatures. Is that allowed. And then finally wire blanks being stamped as verified and approved and then more importantly why is stan verified and approved appearing in in a blank signage region. Those questions in conclusion. As i started this conversation in the evening viewer turn on is a container of the ballot. It's a very important thing you think about. The human body is assisting your skin is what contains you. That envelope is what contains these valves very Part so there's significant opportunities to enhance precision verifiability reliability audibility and reproducibility in the world. That engineering systems we call these properties and these anomalies give a wonderful opportunity enhances at least five attributes so we believe what needs to happen is signal. are collusion's a signature. Verification process no pun intended is unverifiable. Can't really verify this process and there's a lack of systems integration and reporting example. Ab thirty. three's which should have all the early voting ballots just on the duplicate issue. We haven't had time to do a full systems. Integration. that wasn't the scope. But even on the ballads we have far more duplicates in what are even in the system and currently for us. because we haven't been able to get access to the standard operating procedures that is transparent to the future research. We believe that is absolutely necessary. We need to full signature verification on which means do the twenty seven point analysis we have the inability right now. We have everything image if we have the the if we acquire. Maricopa is esotique for signature verification. If we can get there. Twenty seven point analysis our than we can replicate all of this using the algorithm that they have define an actual positive false negative error rate. What i mean by this is. This'll be found opportunity for improving selection election processes. Because this is not been done you read literature on the left or the right. Everyone complains that the signature gert vacation process significant issues. We have an opportunity right now with this data and the opportunity here to do a twenty seven point analysis and really come up with an actual rate. Which would give us a scientific metric of the confidence value of the entire. Edp system and finally we need to review the chain of custody today. What happens is when a signature is. There's personal signature people. All the person they contact them and then they have some conversation which is then verified. Where are those conversation records. Are those tickets stored anywhere and we have access to that and said thank you. Everyone thank you very much questions. Dr sheva just before you get off here. I think it's really important that we know your credentials. You kind of just breeze through that slide. Can you go back to that real quick and just go over your credentials for everybody so we. That's important for us as we're reading your report. Sure appreciate the opportunity to share them up. So let me just give you a little bit of background. I have four degrees from. Mit in biological engineering was called computational systems biology which is all about doing computation recognizing patterns might masters is also from the mit department. Mechanical engineering right. Computational wave propagation to look at a very ordinary of pattern recognition non-destructive testing rear looking. You don't want to open a major. you'll want to open up. Aircraft wing or sending signals in buying their my other degrees from mit media. Lab in scientific visualization. My master's rail also use the same techniques to do some of the earliest complex visualizations for And my bachelors in Electric computer science also from mit. Where i've i built for that. One of the first cardio cardiology systems for doing a pattern analysis cardiology signals. But beyond that. My vote is for forty. Plus years has been in this field of pattern recognition and classification in biology medicine. Engineering aeronautics civil electrical banking finance military across a range of areas handwriting recognition. Bank checks email analysis in fact guy as a graduate student. I one i was only graduate. Student asked to participate. I won the white house. Competition for automatically categorizing whitehouse's email this is nineteen ninety-three when emails becoming consumer application prior to when it was a business application of the Nineteen seventy nine thousand nine hundred. When email actually became a consumer application the clinton white house getting funds of email they wanted to automatically analyze it. I ended up winning. That left them. I t to ten year hiatus and built echo offer a pattern recognition emails. It a lot of work for many years is undergraduate helping deaf wine analysis of signature pattern announces. Their of currently i work in a company cited software. We're looking at analysis of signals biomarkers signals to figure right combinations of medicines than coming anti gun. The combination therapy by the pancreatic cancer at number patents. Books of anyone wants to to go to the that common. You can look it. Might biography over there published in the leading journals in the world. Nature neuroscientist one of the eminent journals in the world sell biophysical journal. I believe up. These are high impact. Your journals the us copyright office limited. I copyright for the invention of email full rights dollar a lemelson. Mit finalists one. One of the earliest westinghouse science honors award was a nominee for the national medal of technology innovation. And i've been invited to give distinguished lectures at the national science foundation and h fda back in november nineteen hundred delivered be received like you're on the immune system and invited lecture at the nsf. Where we discussed the immune system and several years ago. Med having delivered their presidential lecture. Thank you for sharing that. We raise a lot of very important questions for us to get answers. Still thank you dr. She of a year report was extremely insightful and considering the fact that we only got the envelopes too few short weeks ago we appreciate you dropping everything all of your other responsibilities and jumped on this right away so that this could be accomplished by today's hearing date so we appreciate that very very much. I also anything to thank Doug applegate and the lebanon colleagues at echo echo theme and particular all the stakeholders and again. I wanna thank the courage of the leader of the arizona state senate. This will go down in history. As one of the most were engineering events. Not just an election event. It will go down. Very were engineering. Event for engineering systems. Election voting systems are really appreciate the opportunity very honored to support this effort. Thank you thank you. Dr shave and for everyone In tv land or whatever These reports all will be made available in their entirety. They'll be uploaded on. The website is soon as we can get them uploaded. So you can see all of these and the personal. Just make sure the reduction that you saw was any personal information we Tried very hard to make sure we complied with a court order and make sure anybody's names addresses That were on. There was not available to the public however the unredacted version will go to the attorney. General's office so he can seek further investigation on these anomalies. Thank you dr sheva much i right. Thank you so much Just also a note. It was interesting. We received a lot of emails. Affidavits you name it from people that actually worked at 'em tekken at the polls in that they had told us that when it all started. What is it twenty seven or twenty nine points of signature verification twenty seven. Thank you That that's what you're supposed to do. Is twenty-seven points signature verification. And at some point it went to twenty. It went to ten and towards the last few weeks. We were told that they were told Just stop checking signatures. We've gotta get this done so what he's showing us here. Does in some sense correlate with the things that people had told us so for what it's worth okay let's go to Doug logan cyber ninjas you were going to give us your report and would you please give us just a tad of your background sir. So i'm doug logan the ceo of sovereign inches I have done cybersecurity work for a lot of major organizations including bankamerica and jp morgan chase dundee semester. Work in the federal government is well hold certified information systems security professionals or cis. p. I also have jack. Webb kitchen penetration tester. Certified insent handler. I am listed as i am actually expert on the antrim election case associate in a report. This actually published associated with that. That's publicly available for matt colonels website. Can i have of course been running this audit for the last roughly five months mr lung. Could you pull the mike erc a little bit closer. Is that better awesome not clicking so we just wanna start with an overview of what we actually accomplish here because this is this is an audit like we've never had before in involved as you mentioned early madam president i involved over one thousand five hundred people i'm based on our calculations was actually more than one hundred thousand hours put in place As you can see on the photo right now this is an example is actually happened in in the evening one of the days. So this isn't even a Group of everybody. I'm we're gonna go through each role that was out there. what functions they are performing But you'll notice that everyone is located based on colors that helped us keep track of where people were and make sure no miss out of place and help us make sure that we both secured and maintained a custody of all the ballots at all times of custody of all the balance at all times of custody of all the balance at all times up custody of all the balance at all times over one hundred fifteen hundred people and like one hundred thousand hours security was something that was extremely important with everything that we did here We had a multiple layers of security. We actually had an external perimeter that was maintained by the arizona rangers. I'm so as you came in. That would validate that. You're on a list of individuals in order to be able to get in We also had an interior checks So that as you walk through the door you came up to a desk where your chest checked for. Covert invalid to be on. that list. Made sure you had a badge In all those things to make sure that you're someone that was supposed to be there to even be in the building. All the ballots election equipment were stored beside within these cages. And anytime they ever left the cage. They are actually signed out by an individual. I'm so we have a complete science record of every individual that came and picked up every box So someone someone took over custody of that box and we actually had individuals called runners and they would run it from the ballot corral and they take it over to whatever table the need to go to in that individual within sign the box over to the table manager at the table that would then utilize it to process it so at no time was box of ballots or individual ballots. Outside of the care of someone's specific authorized care who has sign off. In fact we actually twenty four seven video surveillance on everything at all times. In addition you'll see this lovely police officer. They were actually there. Twenty four seven as well and they're always within sight of the ballot corrales or where we had the election equipment stored a we had a. We had a police officers at both locations. I'm always maintaining in always making sure that the ballots and equipment was one hundred percent secure. I'm nothing could happen to them. So this is one of our talion tables you can see in. The middle is actually a lazy susan. You'll notice that there's three counters around the table. I'm there's someone who's actually the stable loadin in someone who's unloading so all counters were america residents who specifically voted in the last election. We wanted to make sure that if anyone was involved in this very important action that they had skin in the game and they were they were local. We didn't use anyone out of state for any functions having to do with the actual italian. I should say actually kowtowing the ballots. Some of the table manager from outta the people actually counting the ballots were all merca residents of there were other functions where he had volunteers from other states as much as possible. We tried to keep everybody local in maricopa county. We think it's very important for our local community take ownership for their election process and we wanted to facilitate that as much as possible. All these individuals were background checked and validated a. We had one individual that that had slipped through the process because he'd been on the ballot versus specifically that does not something shows up in standard background. Check so we started doing digital checks compare and everything on things to make sure. That never happened again. It was very important to us to make sure that we always had things that were going to make sure that are beyond reproach transparency in everything we did was very very important now all three counters were blind. That means they were not allowed to talk to each other. As that belt went around and was in front of them they would talionis sheet of paper and they put a little marcus based on whether for both the presidential and the senate race to see whatever it was a roughly every fifty ballots They would compare the numbers with each other Actually the table manners take him compare them and if two out of three of them agreed and the third person was no more than one count offer for the race they would proceed and they would move on if there is any more discrepancies beyond that. They actually had to stop on. They had to find the ballots in question that they're in question they had recount them. I'm so there's absolutely no way to to have speed here without having accuracy and we found that when we had a brand new table it was relatively slow but as soon as they've been doing it for about two shifts or so their speed greatly increased and it was amazing how quickly they could count ballots in the very beginning of the process and i three weeks are fastest. I think are most balanced we ever count was roughly thirty thousand. When we came back and had more of a full shop i think our peak we. We did over one hundred and fifty thousand ballots in a day in routinely. Doing over one hundred thousand. I'm so the speed. Like i said a greatly increased Especially as we work through this so the way the balance would actually work as we have. We have ballad corral where The ballots were originally in and they'd be signed out of that ballot corral. And the you take into tally table after they were tallied that go back to about corral whether which was specific to be an in progress and then when we had our paper examination tables they were ready for a box of ballots. That's where it came. It came out of the in progress. I'm so at the paper. example examination. tables We had dsl our cameras. The cameras took pictures on the front and the back of of these ballots and they gave us very high definition images that allowed us to see all sorts of intricacies of the paper. And what's going on after it was done with. Disallow are actually. Excuse me sir. I'm sorry the clippers networking. Let's go back there real quick. So once into the microscope stands. We had four microscopes that are taken images of of the Magnified image and that was over a court number different places that included the presidential oval to take a look at how that was filled out and with the way we had the lights. We could actually see when it was filled out with a ballpoint pen. You could actually see the ridges of the person pressing down on it so you can tell the difference between something that was filled out with a sharpie a you could tell something was burnt out by a pen or you can tell actually if something was computer-printed You can tell the difference between all of that. We also had a microscope over certain parts of the ballot that allows to look at the paper fibers to timur to help. Determine what type of paper was utilized. Now when we're done with this we actually had over one hundred forty terabytes of data. I'm just from the paper examination alone So we massive amounts of data in fact a with our camera footage in everything that ran the operation. We ended up with a close to two of to peddle bytes of data to give you a comparison that is vastly more data that your average large thousand person company has. I'm so we were running a very impressive network here on. That was completely era. Gapped wasn't connected to anything outside of the floor in order to support this in order to have all the data requirements associated with it. I'm a very complicated operation. So just want to give a higher level status of where we are right now so first of all. We've completed the hand cannon of federal races. We've done all the image mitra captured album ballots. We've reviewed and did a comparison of the official results. We've done analysis of the voter rolls. We've done the vast majority of the analysis of actual voting machines in voting equipment in progress. Right now We're hopeful too soon with the settlement. That the senate put together to be reviewing the sponge logs and routers based on the settlement terms We're also hoping that the completion of the paper analysis. That's being done will be done very shortly now. From a scope standpoint stopped again so no longer in scope was the campus in on. That was decided that was removed. A we have the tabula configuration to check. Configuration was something that was not provided. We believe with the other information we have. We'll get similar data but it will not be the same exact data we had requested. Review the voter rolls system but A lot of the systems are used for check in for the site position were not provided as part of the equipment was giving us We had hoped to look at the review of the ics devices but again those had not been provided. We wanted to look at the provisional ballots. The ones that had not been counted to to count the sealed envelopes to make sure they matched up with everything and made sense. And those again were not provided. And we'd also hooked will take a look at the undeliverable ballots to see how many of them were bounced back or what happened to them and again. Those were not the inside were provided and so they were thinner. No longer in scope. And we're not able to take a look at okay so now we'll get into the fun part and get more into the actual talents and results in order to understand some of these findings. I want to make sure that everyone has a clear pictures to how this process works. So if we have ballots that are actually a damaged or otherwise. Can't be run through the tabula. There's for example. The braille ballots won't fit through the tabula there's some yukata ones. Can't they need to go through. What's called the duplication process. Now this is a different thing than what doctorship was talking about. When he talked about duplicates he was when he talked about duplicates. He was talking about more than one envelope going to the same person. I'm so we're going to talk with were duplicates here but we're actually talking about when there is an original ballot. They couldn't be run through the scanner and they created a copy of it which was run through the scanner and counted. So when you have duplicates the duplicates Only one of those counted and it should only be the duplicates now specifically the originals are often referred to damage center duplication or disd. And we're gonna use that. Notation throughout things at dsp means the original pallets. Where's the actual duplicates are referred to as stoops There should be one one d deep and there should be a unique serial number on every single. Disd every single deep to match them up. I'm so that you will know for sure that this ballot right here was duplicated to this other ballot. And if you wanna compare and make sure. The duplication process was done correctly. And that it actually represented the voter intent. You'd be able to easily match them up and it'd be easier to handle from an audit standpoint. Duplicate ballots also should be stored separately from the regional ballots. So there's no confusion they don't get mixed up so let's talk a little bit about those findings so our balance work home in coming up with original ballots. Not all of them. I'm there wearing at least one box case. Which is something that they are not supposed to do. According to the pm duplicate ballots had incorrect and missing serial numbers. If you take a look at this table that's showing up. you notice. The serial number on the left is what was actually on the ballot the duplicate ballot and the seal number the board one hand deep to one eighteen. One fourteen in the right is what was actually on the original damage. The you'll notice the numbers actually different on the left hand. Side is his duport. Three hand. hens zero to one fourteen on his board one hand dipped two hundred and fourteen. We're able to match these up because of the ballot characteristics and the precinct that came from. But it's a very painful process has done manually. In order to figure out what matches demo what else when they're not actually stamped with the same executive on the problem we also had a number of serial numbers are printed. Like the one that you see on the screen where it's you can't really read it. It's not legible So at theoretically has a serial number on it. but there's no way to match it up because you cannot read with the value is on it In addition to to heaven ballots flat out did not have a serial number anywhere on their whatsoever so there was no way to match them up with the regionals now. We also had duplicate ballots. It review serial numbers. You would expect that this year number order to match it up a win being unique. But you'll notice to examples up here Of two different pairs that are not associated with each other but had the same exact serial number utilized. In this case you know with a large print and a and a damage san damaged pat We also have a few others in here again. Same exact serial number but these were not the same ballots in specifically if you ever take a look at. A large print ballot. They're huge the very very large switz- justice something was photocopied or anything like that. They literally use the same serial number on otherwise unrelated ballots. And this is probably one of the more interesting parts as we had more duplicates than original ballots. I'm so according to our counselor audit. We had twenty six thousand nine hundred sixty five original ballots and then we had twenty nine thousand five hundred and fifty seven. Were were duplicate ballots. Those numbers should be the same based on the numbers received from erica. A county we should have had twenty seven thousand eight hundred sixty nine of both originals and duplicates and they should have matched up perfectly. Now these extra duplicates did appear to to favor trump jorgensen. I'm if you take a look at the regional ballots we've got trump has nine nine hundred ninety five thousand four hundred four four hundred four and if you take a look at the duplicates There's there's a Some number more of them So if you take a look. At percentage all the way over to the right expected percentage per candidate and that's based on if we take the originals and assume that duplicates should be at the same exact percentage on so we had forty eight percent of the originals were trump fifty percent of the of the originals. Were biden and two percent of the originals. Were were jorgensen You can see what the actually the difference in reality trump at fifty eight percent of duplicates thirty three and three i'm so both trump jorgensen gained slightly with the duplicate process. Same thing When we take the senate race It's favor slightly to mc sally Not necessarily as much as it does in the other case Both of these percentages are within the realm of air of just human error making mistakes. So we take our final tally results and we to look at the at the senate race It does look like kelly still shows up as as a head and we actually run into that we have five hundred. Forty one lasts of for mick sally and sixty less for kelly. I'm in the ballot. Totals if we take a look at the presidential race trump actually loses two hundred sixty one votes from the official votes biden gains ninety nine in jorgensen loses two hundred and four votes and again. These are all very small numbers when we're talking about two point. One million ballots is a very small discrepancies. So we can say that. The the the ballots that were provided to us to count in the coliseum Very accurately correlate with the official canvas numbers They came through so we did have at least abacha fifty outs. It was run through the tabula tres. Twice on this. Specifically when they took the dominion tabulates they had the same batch and it was run through more than one time. we found this because through various counts. We had very clear. Confirmations of how many ballots were supposed to be in a box. And when we compared our results against the cast vote records a we were roughly fifty off in that made us go take dominion images and we when we compared to nearby ballot. We actually found that there was a set of fifty ballots. That had been run through again twice. I'm as far as we can tell with only happened in once. There's no indication as to whether that we'd have no clarification whether it was human error or whether it was intentional we assume that human error because it happened in very small frequency this an example of a ballot from two different batches. It's probably relatively small text for people to read. But if you read all the way down in the bottom it'll tell you that it's tabulated on the left picture tabular. Six thousand four. Vtc which is the batch. Two hundred and eighty eight. And that's the image one fifty four in the right hand side. We have Against tabular but batch number two eighty seven which is one different in. It's image number five. I'm and we had roughly fifty of them that were in between the two of these. We found something similar from the yukata where the cava for those who. Don't don't argue kava ballots or for military and overseas personnel. I'm it's the way that they can actually cast votes even though they're not physically here. Those ballots get turned in either via an online portal. They can be submitted via email. They can be mailed in. I think facts the man. There's a whole bunch of different ways. These can come in and as a result there in a lot of different formats. And there's a lot of variance on them but on the left hand picture. You can actually see that. It's board number two hindu five seventy. Three's what approved it on the right hand side. It's hint deep five seventy four and is probably too small for you to read but if you read. The serial number circled on the on the top left. You'll notice that the time stamp. The numbers are exactly the same. Which means it's someone likely printed out the kaaba belly twice and both of them made it into the saints. We did not find this in in a lot of quantities but the only way we had to look at it was by hand and there. There's over ten thousand you akaba ballots because every single one of these yukawa ballots is slightly different. Formats actually even difficult to do it. In automated trashing. The only way would be to go through by hand without sophisticated processing. Okay so we're gonna talk a little bit about official results that are actually turned out by the county and this actually connects quite a bit with some of the stuff that the doctor shiva was talking about. Different definition standpoint. We have official campus. The campus officials certified results. That are put out by. The county has the tallies of votes per candidate per precinct in provisional. It tells what the turnout was forgiven precinct and all of that information We also have what's called here in maricopa county the cut the vm. Fifty five file or the final voted file. It is a list of every single person that showed up to vote in. That's counted both for for in person whether it's early voting in person or whether it's male in and all of those are kept track of separately so we have a number of all those different categories of who showed up to vote on any given day within have the vm. Thirty four volt full voter file on. This is also referred to as as say your voter rolls. This is a list of everybody who should be eligible to vote on the county. Maricopa seems to make these available. Roughly on a monthly basis. So that the full voter rolls. I'm so that is your theoretical full list of everyone. That may be able to may show up to vote annetta given election. Then we have our ab thirty two files or thirty two early vote incense every single time. A mail in ballot is sent. It's supposed to have an entry in eib thirty to file. I'm corresponds with that. Male invalid that sent out likewise even thirty-three file which is when any type of early is returned. Now this both includes when a mail is received and in-person when someone comes in votes in person Thirty-three includes both of those. I'm you may remember at the hearing that we had a while ago. We had mentioned that the thirty. Two's do not match the thirty. Three's we're a quick analysis. In order to justify canvassing in their seventy four thousand that were off of the vast majority the seventy four thousand where from early voting in person and that is why there was non even thirty two associated with it. We have this clarified in a record as well. That was not a purposeful. A discrepancy of something. That that you know it was not meeting clear at that point so just to give an example. And how these systems work in order to match everything up so if we have ten people who mailed in a ballot and we had ten people who voted early in person and we attend. People voted on election day in person we have. We have thirty thirty votes. They're out there. So what this means is we should have the canvas with thirty votes and it should be allocated per precinct. Accordingly should be allocated it should be allocated based on the candidates and you should have your tallies associated with it. You would also expect that if you went to your vm. Fifty five file. You should see ten people who voted via mail in because it has different codes based on that should have ten people who voted early in person and people who vote on election day and every single one of those entries should have had the name in address associated. The person that matches up with voter rolls. Likewise you would expect that. You're thirty two only ten ballots than it. Because that was sent out and your ebay thirty-three should have ten people in it from the mail in ballots and ten people from the actual avian person for a total of twenty. This is what you would expect in a balanced system. This is not actually what we found when we started comparing all these numbers all these numbers different in very different ways And it's something creates quite a few discrepancies. So none of these systems actually bounced gonna go through these so official campus has three thousand four hundred thirty. Two more ballots cast than the list of people show is having cast a vote in the vm. Fifty five file. Now i do want to specifically interject in here that we we finally heard back from maricopa county Because we ask him about this discrepancy. I think it's at least a week ago but it was a couple of weeks ago so the day before we represent results they decided to tell us that those were actually for For the protected voters. Who don't actually you know who either judges or battered women or other individuals who are concerned about publishing their addresses. Did that is the reason why that discrepancy is in there. I can't validate whether that's that's accurate or not accurate. I'm this is information that we just just received What i can say is that this sort of stuff is exactly why with audits usually the organization you're in the process of ogden Cooperates in works with you That would have been. These would have been extremely helpful in order to to get feedback and work through them through this entire process. Now we do have nine thousand forty male voters showing return ballots. More return ballots in eve thirty-three than that were sent thirty two Sounds like dr sheva found something very similar to this as well. I'm so specifically found. They were mailed one ballot but somehow to ballots received Which i do not know how you would have. One ballot sent into received. The sanction would have to be that it's a clerical error. There's something else going on. It's not clear how you can have that happen. Two hundred seventy seven printings show official canvas as having more ballots cast than people showed up to vote for total of one thousand five hundred fifty one excess votes again. The county has explained to us that the same reason for the vm. Fifty five difference. They're saying is the reason there but we have not had insta- validate that there are two thousand. Four hundred. seventy two ballots shown thirty three. That don't have a correspondent entries. In the vm. Fifty five and only two thousand forty. Two ballots show is rejected and official campus discrepancy of four hundred thirty. So let's walk through this really quickly. So if something is in the av. Thirty three means an early vote was received. I mean we have the individual's name in the voter. Id associated with it. So if an thirty-three was received i'm you would expect that if it's not in the vm. Fifty five file of who voted than it had to be a rejected ballot. Just makes logical sense. It has to be rejected ballot. But there's two thousand four hundred seventy two that show in the thirty three. But there's only two thousand absurd. There's only two thousand and forty two ballots. This show is rejected. So there's a discrepancy of four hundred thirty again. Just another place with these show that they don't seem to match up. We also have three hundred ninety seven mail in ballots. Show has received that were never shown his set. So we know that there are in vm. Fifty five their mail in ballots and they were received without some however being sent about and we also have two thousand five hundred two hundred fifty five thousand three hundred twenty six early votes shown the fifty five do not have a correspondent entry in ab thirty three. And just be clear. This is not you know when you were looking at ether. Thirty three entries thirty three entries are supposed to happen when a ballot is received. But it's not you know the actual track of the ballots are under the the actual official canvas. Vm fifty five. I'm so we had In the vm fifty five individuals. Who voted we had entries for early. Vote in their in their where. In two hundred fifty five thousand cases of those they were not actually included in the thirty three file in reality all of these systems to be audible in verifiable all these systems should be able to be in agreement with each other even if we have protected voters on. There should be some way to know the number protective voters who voted. I'm in order to match it all up so that you have a system that balan balances voter soon moved so we took a look at the entire list of individuals who voted. I'm specifically i'm that was from the vm. Fifty five final voted file And we ran it through a commercial database called the put up. Melissa person eater and personnel is a best in class identity system that helps check actresses. Make sure they're associated with user. Ill show prior and current addresses attract move dates intellectual also track data birth date of deaths so we went and took the voter rolls and we compare them. S- against this see how many people might have moved in based on statute should not have necessarily cast a vote. So the first thing we found is twenty three thousand three hundred forty four voters who voted feel mail in ballots. Even though they showed in melissa as having moved from that address and we we wanted to make sure we accounted for the circumstances where college student might have moved away from home or family. Member might have moved somewhere else so we actually eliminated all the chances all the cases where someone was still at that residence. That had the same last name. I'm that's how we came up with twenty three thousand three hundred forty four so if you're mailing ballot is to address that you no longer live at There should be no way for that for you to receive that male invalid. At least they're you know it's generally away reset valley because mail in ballots are legally not allowed to be so we can't be forwarded to your new address so the only way the situation could happen legally if you know the prior to the current resident and you're able to meet with them and pick up your mail invalid or somehow have some other arrangement to pick up your ballots. Were there but still twenty three thousand three hundred forty. Four people voted when they should no longer have access would not normally have access ethic even address. We a two thousand three hundred eighty. Two voters voted in person. You showed melissa is having moved out of maricopa county Prior to that date we have two thousand eighty one voters who moved out of state. I in two thousand nine days before the election. I'm an appear to be given a full ballot Which should have been if anything if they voted at all. It should have been at president only ballot where literally the only option on the ballot would been president. I'm not as something it's by statute. Let's talk a little bit about voter rolls. Registration dates Do not generally change on in your voter rolls tom. Sue day of registration. Unless there's its directness steak and this is something that we received out of the the actual recorder's office. They told us that those dates should not generally be changing. Your date of registration should be your data restriction though says at the time of voter may have two dates. Registration is if the registration has previously been canceled. Voter registers again. The original record would be cancelled provider reasons. And then they'll have a new record with a new date of registration so the old record i'm should not exist. And it should not have data registration change. Likewise we have this thing called zeke and ask. The accent is actually unique. Identifier is a reference to a transaction. So for example. If you went in you needed to change your address you would fill out a form and when you filled out that form a you would turn it into the recorder's office and they would image that and they would process it and when they processed it would assign a unique identifier. That unique identifier actually gets stored in your voter rolls is the latest one and it is specific to that. Change that change request. I'm so those should be unique. They should you should not even have it twice in your voter rolls should only happen once and it should not be shared among multiple individuals. And this is something again. We confirmed with recorder's office. Now we also have a statute says. Complete name should be used. And they'll get into our findings so we have here in a second so we had as many as five thousand forty-seven individuals who voted more than county For up to five thousand two hundred ninety five additional votes If these are typically now i will tell you that there's these individuals had the same name first middle and last name and the same exact birth year because that's what the voter rolls But if you have an extremely common last name which can happen There's some of these may in fact just individuals with the same exact name same exact birth year. We have no way to validate that one hundred percent. We have three hundred hundred voters with incomplete. Names that vote in the election included individuals with last name. Only last name is just an initial. There's no last name first. Name is just an initial and again there are some individuals who who in some cases could happen but this is not a frequent thing that you typically say we also one hundred ninety eight individuals who registered after the october fifteenth. Cutoff and yet still voted in the election. And we have two thousand eight hundred sixty one voters who have shared in f. Seek number with another voter at some point in time and that does not. We don't know exactly what that means. But based on the descriptions of everything that's happened in the system It's suggests there may be some integrity issues with data winning possible situations happen in the system. And if you've got integrity systems in in something as important as voter rolls There would be a concern of two hundred eighty two potentially deceased voters in this election. I know that there's been some much wider numbers that have been circulated on the internet. We tried to validate this stuff. Very very precisely. It can be difficult thing to a voter rolls to individuals from our testing. We believe it all in ones we have in here accurate but there are potentially additional ones as well. We one hundred eighty six people who actually duplicate voter ideas. That both voted. I think that dr sheva was mentioned that we haven't had individuals with the same first name last name in the same address and seemed at the same signature on that is something that we have also seen in the voter rolls with people who seem to have literally the same exact name on. We've hundred and eighty six people. That's the case where they actually the first name and last name in the address in all matchup. I'm anti europe. Birth on because assumption would be my junior in different places and so they'd have different decision but not the same address and that is the end of the presentation right now. I'm gonna without him and handed off to ben kahn. Who's go over our digital finance. Thank you mr cotton. The when you start. Could you just give us a little bit of your background. I have twenty five plus years of doing digital rents six incident response and examinations in support of both government government as part of my service prior to my digital forensics background. For last twenty five years. I also served twenty one years as a tab. Qualified special forces soldier serving his country in defending our our freedoms. I recognize how critically important the voter integrity is To this nation and this again madam. President i agree with you. This is not a left issue. This is not a right issue. This is an american issue. And as i as i talk about this i would hope that. The findings of this audit will be turned into actionable legislative meaningful product that we can move forward and secure these elections moving forward. So as i talked today people may have heard some of my previous testimony. We have a few. these will be redundant. it's important to reiterate these findings in the course of this. We had a few of. these will be redundant. It's important to reiterate these findings in the course of this final hearing so we'll we'll talk about withheld devices and data and how that impacted our ability for complete report to the senate here today. We'll talk about the cyber security issues that we've found the hardware configuration control issues. Atypical in this loggins. That are present on systems. They're listening ports tempted connections on route up in internet connections and internet history. That was found on these devices. As part of the part of the course next live place so let's talk about the withheld devices for a moment here as with any audit access to information and the right information. Timely manner is absolutely critical to finding a complete result for investigation. In the case of this audit we were never provided access to the routers and network related data and that becomes very impactful when we start talking about validating and confirming unauthorized access to the election management system itself into the other devices. I would like to sit here today and tell you that. I had fully ruled out any unauthorized access. But given the lack of access to this information i cannot do that at this time. It is our understanding that there has been an agreement reached With the maricopa county and i look forward to getting access to this data so we can complete these findings. We were not provided the poll worker laptops now these laptops that poll workers use it each precinct to validate the voters to interact with election related functions at that particular precinct we were not provided any of the ics device so the ics vices are Us for handicapped and other graphically required interfaces with the voting systems We know that the county had a number of these based on the historical video from the tech but we were not provided any of those we were not provided with the icp credentials to validate the configuration settings or the Administrative settings on the actual scanners the icp's this was critical and a significant short. Finding in that. I cannot sit here today. And tell you whether or not the wireless modems were enabled and connected to the internet. At the time of the vote. I cannot sit here and tell you today. What the status was land. Connections that we know were inherent to those devices As part of the purchase from or the lease from dominion with a little deeper into the cyber security issues as as we found them. Actually you've skipped a slide sorry so let's talk about the back. Once likely to talk about the cyber security issues now department of homeland security as a division called ceasar and cease. has a recommendation that's published on the internet for how to configure and manage election systems. That is freely available and it's recognized as kind of the gold standard for securing election system. I will. I will tell you that every item up here is part of that recommendation from from cease. I will tell you that. In maricopa county they failed to Perform basic operating system patch management functions. Now let me explain that for so if you have a home computer you realize that every thursday or wednesday depending on your cycle microsoft will release a security patch to correct vulnerabilities that have been discovered since they released the operating system and it was installed under computer. The last time that the operating system was patched on america county election systems was the date. They installed the dominion software. Which was the six of august of two thousand. Nineteen okay so at the time of election it had been over a year since that system have been patched. We found that that was also the same case with the anti virus definitions so we know as part of this world that we live in that people are coming up with new ways to hacker system to to exploit vulnerabilities and get unauthorized access to systems. And they're doing this. Continually all major security vendors up their antivirus at least on a weekly basis to make sure that we can protect our systems from these newly originated of vulnerabilities and exploits. The last time. That the antivirus who've been updated on the maricopa county systems was the six of august. Two thousand nineteen now maricopa. County did release a statement saying that if they had patched the operating system or if they had updated the antivirus that would have invalidated the ese certification for the voting system itself. Obviously there are a couple of issues with this position. And the first one is that we are relying on a certification system that would impose obsolescence instead of security in the very act of trying to secure voting system that is nonsensical and it should never occur so if that is in fact the case we need to take a very close. Look at what. We're relying on to validate and certify these election systems and software to ensure that we're not certifying guaranteed obsolescence of the system. Now let's assume for a moment what maricopa county said was true that they could not update those systems because of the certification issue. There are a couple of problems with that As borne out by the artifacts on the actual ems server itself. So if that is true then that would mean that no new execute files. No new dynamic link libraries could be created or modified on that system after the date of the software installation which once again was six august. Two thousand nineteen. What we found is that there are four execute -able files that were created after this date of dominion install. There were forty five executed files that were modified after this date of in stop there were three hundred and seventy seven dynamic link library files which were created after the dominion software installed and there were one hundred fifty or one thousand fifty three d. l. l. files that were modified after this date so if we assume that what the county representatives true in fact that voting system would not have been certified at the time of the election. Talk a little bit about log management here so there is a federal statute that requires the preservation of election related materials for twenty two months after the date of the election that applies not only the paper but it also applies to digital artifacts maricopa. County failed to preserve the operating system security logs to cover the dates of the election provided security logs early in the audit process but did not provide the windows security clock itself when we examined the ems server. We found that the the dates covered by the security log only went back as far as the fifth of february. Two thousand and twenty one others a couple of reasons for that and we'll go into those Later but the bottom line is that they. They failed to preserve those those logs or at least those logs were not turned over to the auditors. And so i'm assuming since they were part of the subpoena that those should have been provided had they been present next item. There's credential management this is probably the most offensive item on this list to me because it carries such a huge impact on the secure ability of a system. What we found is that for the election management system adjudication systems the icc's all of the voting related systems. They all shared a common password for both user accounts and for administrative accounts in just to be crystal clear. It was the same password for all those accounts. So to complicate matters as well. Those accounts had not been changed into the installation of the software so they were established on the sixth of august two thousand nineteen and never changed their. Furthermore was not an individual accountability of the users who access specific accounts so that you could tie a username in action in an individual When you discovered something that was an anomaly. We did not see any software or any effort to establish and monitor a host baseline of programs and processes. Furthermore we did not see any log aggregation or methodology by which to establish and monitor the network communications for this system or simply was none of that software present on any of these devices next libraries. We also didn't saw in detected that there was a failure in hardware configuration within the voting system. Now what you're seeing right here. Is the system the acquisition photos for the system that was identified as the adjudication to workstation. Now you'll see in that picture that there are two hard drives that came out of that cyst woman have to hard drives and assistant for data storage etc cetera. However both of those hard drives are beautiful. So what that means is that you can boot from a hard drive. It is not part of the election configuration and have access to the election network very important. It's clearly not an approved configuration. It was the only system that we found a duel boot situation. Now to further complicate matters a little bit. And i'm not going to make judgment as to the legality of this or whether or not this deserves. Further action is that on that second bootle hard-drive there appeared to be non maricopa county data. So let me let me define that a little bit hard drive. Their word dominion databases that appeared to be one demonstration data but also data that may have originated from washington state and south carolina. And i drive that. Not from an in depth investigation of the data that was outside my vote from the naming conventions of the databases themselves so once again. Validating and approving the configuration of the of these systems is critically important to preserving the integrity of that election system. I would also note that neither of the two audit excellent one of the challenges that we had was was actually accountability of deleted items. We talked about deleted items before. Let's be crystal clear about this from the ems which is the election management system server on the c. Drive there were eight hundred sixty five directories in eight eighty five thousand six hundred seventy three election-related files deleted batik between ten. Twenty eight five. They also included Some log-files so what is difficult to determine is that i know they were deleted. What i don't have is any accountability or any ability to track from a evidence management perspective. How those deleted files were treated in. What happened to them if they were archive or not. There are dot. Dvd file in those are actually the results of the of the election. Totals off of each tabulating device and those were part of the deleted files that were removed from the ems from the So the the ems actually had to our drives they had six hard drives configured into to a logical drives so the second a logical drive was called so the second logical drive was called the d. Drive in that contained all of the election database both historically and should have contained the information for this twenty twenty general election as well. You'll note that there were nine thousand. Five hundred seventy one directories in one million sixty four thousand seven hundred forty six election related files deleted between the first of november. Twenty on the hyper one. Three hundred and four directories containing fifty nine thousand three hundred eighty seven files of election data. That were deleted from the high pro- scanner one on three march. Two thousand twenty one. Now this becomes kind of important because part of our analysis was to look at the interaction of these scanners these systems and how data flowed. You'll notice that that's about a month and a half. Before they turned that over to us next slide you see significant amount of deletion on high pro three on that same date. Hundred one thousand sixty one directories one hundred ninety six thousand four hundred sixty three files containing election data deleted on on that date on three march well next slide in on high pro four. You see the same high volume of deletions on the third of march now once again this may be part of a normal process with how they handle votes but the timing of this becomes a bit a suspect as well as the fact that we didn't see these deletions on high pro- number two once again. I don't have a chain of custody for what happened to these votes after they were deleted. It may be a plausible explanation. I simply don't know at this point. Okay excellent let's talk about. The fate reserved the operating system logs. As i explained earlier the the earliest timeframe that was covered by the ems logs. Security logs was five february. Two thousand twenty one. That clearly does not cover the election time period. Now there's a very good reason. Why did you go down to that last last bullet there. You'll see there. Were three last bullet there. You'll see there were three. There's a user defined setting that you can define how much quantity of logs are retained before they get overwritten and this particular case the ems security log setting was set at twenty megabytes of data so the windows operating system will preserve all the security log entries up until the point at which it reaches twenty megabytes of data. At that point it starts following a first in last out approach to log retention so as you create a new entry in older entry is deleted in overwritten inside of at that log file. Now first and foremost we need to remember that we do have that twenty two month mandate so it's clear that at least what existed on the ems when we received it as part of this audit we did not have the time period covered by that federal mandate as opposed to be covered. That security law was not turned over as art of any other documents that we have by maricopa county. So i'm going to assume at this point that it's not available for us to look at or else they would've turned that over to us. Now if you look at the last bullet that first in first out approach all of a sudden becomes readily apparent as to what happened on these distinct dates so on each of these dates in individual executed a script in that script repeatedly look for a blank password for all of the accounts on on the system depending on the system there were only about sixteen accounts that were present on a given system so this script was run multiple times on to eleven. Four hundred and sixty two log entries were overridden by the script on the third of march. Thirty seven thousand. Six hundred eighty six log entries. Were overwritten by this same script on the twelfth. Which is the day before we received the system. There were three hundred thirty log entries overwritten by that script. The challenge here is that. I know that this occurred. I know which account did it. It was the ems admin account if you reflect back to what i just said about the lack of accountability of signing that that username to an individual it now becomes extremely difficult to prove. Did it okay now. Luckily we happen to have some historical data from the immtech video seats. And so we leverage that data to backtrack in line these times and we. We have captured screen. Shots of maricopa county people at the keyboards during those countries. Now we've identified that those individuals but we will not release surnames because we understand what the scrutiny is what the impact would be to those individuals. But i just want to tell you that the very point that they did not have. Ems now remember the lack of log retention at this point we could not find any logged entry that corresponded to the To this activity okay from security locks those windows security logs only went back to the fifth. Earth thing was urged on the on text of the election to be audited perfect. Clearly not the case in this instance just to clarify so. This is a log file specifically firm report. Report Tally up sorry results. Talion reporting which is the dominion software that entry says that someone went into the program and clicked on something that said i wanna purge all the results for this election that goes through the fleets. All we have redacted specific elements to include the host's name and the address and and some some of those types of things but the fact of the matter is is that those items are recorded as part of that normal anonymous log activity. You'll have the host name that logged into it. You'll have the ip address. It originated the request in most cases. You'll have the username as anonymous but that username is then. Validated against the access. Control this the user mechanisms and validated. So the very next log. Entry in a normal anonymous activity is a validation of that user's credentials to access that particular device or process. Whatever they were accessing. What you see on the left is something that we discovered in the logs. Which is what. I call atypical. Anonymous logging you'll notice that none of those items that are captured by normal activity are present in this law. You don't have an ip address originating device you don't have a host name of the originating device and furthermore when i look at these in context of the actual security log itself. There is no validation of a user's credentials immediately following this. There are hundreds of these types of anonymous loggins in these security logs. That we do have. I cannot tell you right this point if the same type or pattern of activity occurred during the election cycle because these logs don't exist for the cover the election. Okay but i can't tell you that without access to that router data and the network data. I cannot validate whether or not these were legitimate accesses. You'll notice it is a log in type three so it was. It was a remote access. I cannot tell if this is a legitimate access or unauthorized access at this time next likely so we also took a look at what happened when when the ems was booted up and walk through the methodology here too. She kind of assuage everybody's concerns so within the When we actually image all these processes and these systems By the way we image seven hundred seventy devices together over one hundred and fourteen terabytes of original forensics data. We preserve that in a forensics image file that i can then leverage without fear of modifying or a changing anything on the original device so he took that that image file and we turned that into a virtual machine. I created a enclave that i could boot that virtual machine up into in that i could then monitor the boot processes without connecting to the internet without exposing any voter data that to unauthorized users. And i actually booted up the ems to see what happened what it was listening for in to identify if there was in fact any zero day mound where in the In the memory. What what we did discover is that as you'd expect There were a number of ports. This is a normal part of an operating system or its are used to establish connections and provide functionality to the operating system. We've discovered fifty nine of those that were open in while most of these things were what i would have expected. They're worse unexpected high hyperactivity activity specific to the win it. Enc which controls your accesses in your log gones and you're dns which controls your domain name service. So if you go. And you type in yahoo dot com the The computer will use. Dns service to actually determine which ip that is so that you can connect and the dhcp server all of those are normal valid windows processes but for example a dns default on that is fifty three in the case of the we not only had the work fifty three but we also had a dns monitoring on on high court. And i won't. I will listen to that phone number here in in soap and forum but that was A little bit unexpected. I will tell you that on. Ems that you were utilizing both. I p i p four in the newer version itv's six enabled so the services had dual functions with dual listening ports and things of that nature There were ports and there were services that were enabled that allowed remote access so the b. protocol For example as well as the terminal services were enabled on the ems as part of that memory analysis. We did a complete check of the callouts in the attempts to connect from the ems out to the internet. Now once again the county has a repeatedly said that these were isolated systems etc etc cetera. The ems attempted to connect to those Ip's most of which are are normal. I would take a look at the level three parent. The edge cast connections. There and i would probably request from the maricopa county the documentation for those functions that rely on those connections and to determine whether or not those are certified or not we were not provided any of the that certification document. But those are the those. Are the two items up there. That i would ask me. Copa county for some further clarification. On as part of this analysis. I was able to determine that there was no zero day. Malware in the memory at buddha of the ems server next line talk about internet history and connections as you will recall maricopa county commission to independent auditors. To come in both of those auditors. Had a finding that there was no internet connection at the time that they conducted yacht when i initially did. The analysis in i was only searching the was allocated space allocated spaces. What you as a user see when you open up internet explorer new open up file explorer when you see that directory structure that's allocated space when i looked at the internet history of the allocated space. I had the same conclusion as the auditors. Did however. I took this one step further. I actually carved the unallocated space and the entire file system internet artifacts. And when i did that. The history was significantly different than both the representation by the auditors and representation of maricopa county that these systems had never connected or were exposed to the internet and we found internet activity and Multiple visits on the server Three of the ems client workstations. One adjudication workstation and then Re web sixteen ten and then regis twelve to now before i get into this. I want to kind of walk through my methodology. A little bit. So it's very common for operating systems to have a default url's Compatibility caches things of that nature. That may have an internet url as part of that Part of that artifact so in order to To ensure that we didn't get any of that default data i only reported on internet artifacts that one the date occurred after the installation of the dominion software so after the sixth of august two thousand nineteen in that had multiple visits to the same site k with dates after that timeframe so that would eliminate any of the default url artifacts it may have been on the system next libraries so from the ems server. You'll see that there's actually three visits to the same site on the same day. Okay that clearly is not a private url or private ip address. And so what i can tell you is that the ems server least on that date was connected to the internet now. I'd also like to a point. Now that relying on the on the unallocated space for these artifacts. I don't have a complete of all the internet connections. Is things get overwritten. Things get changed things of that nature but the importance of this is is that at some point in time specifically those last visited dates. This device was connected to the internet. Now if you look at that date there's also a correlation to the purging of the database. It's the day before the audit at same time. Exactly almost the same time exact. Thank obviously this requires an explanation. We talk about the ems client. Here are the here. The connections now the nine connections top there. You'll see that as far back as february of two thousand twenty there were four connections. Made the that you are the microsoft or l. and then on the twenty second which coincidentally enough is during the time of the audits are there were five connections to the microsoft you are l. I included that. That lower set findings to illustrates that the importance of some of the items that were not produced to us so not all of the election connected devices were produced to us for analysis in that ip of the one nine two one six eight not one hundred nine eleven is one of the private is private network. That was the election network and you will see that. It access a bunch of web pages off of that device indicating that it was a configuration or it was a file server or something of that nature. I want to draw your attention to that. Very last line. The underscore network underscore wireless lan studies. L. now is accessed on the nineteenth. Excuse me on. The thirtieth of october two thousand eighteen. We have not received any information about any wireless lan configurations but yet here you have someone accessing from the ems. Client to to access. What i can only surmise was wireless lan. Configuring later on that date and you can see that. Ems admin zero. One account was used for that once again who the actual human was behind that account. I cannot tell you because of the shared passwords and the shared user accounts. But i can tell you that not all. The devices were produced to us that would have shed significant light on our findings next light. Okay once again. This is ems client three and you can see that the last date laughter six visits to microsoft dot com in the last visit was on third february. Two thousand twenty one. Now keep in mind. Those previous five visits before that timeframe. And we don't have a record by nature this artifact when each of those visits occurred next light now reread sixteen. Wine is an interesting case and once again we did not receive any network configuration diagram. We did not receive any functional information as to the network. It was one of those things that as an auditor in most cases i can go back to the person being audited. The entity being audited. And say what is this okay. how did this function. How did this interact in this particular occasion. In this particular situation. There was extreme resistance and quite frankly in my opinion obstructionist actions taken by the county to prevent this type of exchange now. This system clearly was connected to the internet now whether or not that was by design or whether this is one of those isolated and protected systems with the county is indicated never touched the internet. I cannot tell you what. I can't tell you that it had significant internet access and this is only a something that would fit on the screen. Right there's literally thousands of connections to the internet by the system based on the naming convention. I would assume that this is some form of web. They server it was used in in the election. system because it was produced stena which that was one of the requirements for now. The other thing that i will tell you is that this device was reduced to us on an external four terabyte hardrock in originally it was represented to us as this was a forensics image of this device when we actually looked at it we found that all of those devices that were produced on the external four terabyte hard drives. They were simply operational system. Clone of that device and it was not preserved in forensics manner. What i can also tell you is what steps were taken on. The part of the county to ensure that the unused portion of that hard drive not occupied by this vice. I cannot tell you what steps were taken by them to ensure that those were wiped zeroed out so that we would not data. Okay so. I do want to caveat these findings findings with those statements but clearly. These devices had continual and repeated access to the to the internet. Next flight this is the regis Twelve oh one in that. By the way is the host name not the function of this device. And once again you see repeated access. Ip address is actually the public. Ip address for america gov obligate Public url excellent. So i appreciate your your diligence in your patients on this as as we think about what i've talked about today it really boils down to accountability right and making sure that our election systems are secured. I will tell you that they were not based on any measure that is a. It professional performing countless ability assessments and Incident responses than i have occurred had a had a client engage me. Had this state of a of a network it would have resulted in a failure on our audit so at this point i would like to remind people from a totality of what these findings are. There simply is no accountability by anyone accessing. These devices you had shared passwords. You had shared user accounts you had remote access if someone could get access to this system. They wouldn't need zero day. Exploit the systems were so far out of date. From a security compliance standpoint it would have taken the average kiddy hacker less than ten minutes using medicine. The hack assist assist. And i would like to remind everyone listening to this when you have a network of computers like you have in these voting systems it only takes one person bringing in a little hockey puck with admin access to provide external remote access to that voting system in the situations where you don't have accountability. You have shared user names and you have shared passwords. You simply cannot guarantee the security and the accountability on those systems. And i thank you very much time for questions. If you haven't thank you sir. Appreciate that we're not gonna. We're not doing questions at this time. Since it's just a presentation we will have committee hearings. That will give everybody the opportunity to ask questions in the future. So thank you okay We are going to go back to mr logan For those that are looking at your watch out were the bulk of this is is done but there's more important things to do Mister logan is going to quickly because we are running over time. goes through his recommendations of what improvements the senate might be able to help do through legislation and then mr poland is going to quickly give us report about the independent ballot. Count the senate dead and then we have. Ken bennett standing by. Who was our senate liaison who will be given you the observations that he noted when he was there working every day. so can't dead. Could you do me a favor and goes through those recommendations quickly. Please is it working. You clicking just click bunch of times on the screen. We'll talk through it. Because if i can't control it's going to take too long and pull your mic up closer please. Everybody's text me saying they're having a hard time hearing you guys. I have a lot of transitions on if you just clicking show it all at once. Maybe i'll bet drumskin among whoops legislation should be considered That links voter roll registration to change the driver's license. We saw a lot of indications that there was old potentially old information. The voter rolls in. It's very important that our voter rolls remain clean if they don't remain clean It would facilitate it makes it easier from was any type of way that someone might want to take advantage of the system if only the people who are registered to vote in could show vote. I'm are in the voter rolls that makes it more difficult on already. When you go into the dmv you can. You can register the vote But specifically if you change your license to another state if you change your address which are things that people are usually diligent about taking care of. That should also update your voter registration details. I'm so that when you're out of state and you're in another state it's not possible for your old voter rolls to be used by you or anybody else specifically with recommends that the ncaa is national change of address of simpson put up at the us. Postal service I view a ballot basically like money and we should not be you know. Just mailing money to people who are not necessarily still at the address earth moved. I'm just checking the ncaa before you mail out. Ballots will help. Make sure that. The currency of the ballots are only ever received by individuals who are legitimate voters. Were still living at that location. I'm so ninety days before the election. I'm in addition to check it right before mail in ballots. You're not ever effectively. Malin currency out to address where someone had moved to another state I understand that the the apm in guidance from secretary of state suggests that the eric and social security master's death lewis and other should be checked regularly voter rolls. But i believe it needs a little bit more to it and that there should be legally repaired frequency for counties to do so to make sure that the regular being maintained rather than just a guidance that it should be done at some stage taco bell election software on both from the report. I have out of antrim and specifically with what some of the inconsistencies in auditees that were finding about the voter rolls system. Both here in quite frankly across the country highly recommend that we pass legislation where that requires that that these applications that are extremely important are built up to a higher standard and specifically are making sure that their ensuring the competent d. integrity systems. The open web application security project is is known as a leader in the application security space specifically have something called the application security verification standard or the vs it has levels one through levels three level. Three is for a sensitive system. And i would highly recommend that would be a requirement for anything assisted with voter rolls or voters systems at the build up to that standard. I'm doing so make sure that the application cell has a necessary standards built into it in order to to make sure things aren't altered and that there are preate logs. I'm if so to in order to care that specifically with that it's always a good idea to to run the acs assessments on a regular basis usually every three or four years in specifically that the vendors should be required to test that the standard was fully applied I further recommend that the vendors you should be able to use the same vendor over and over again for any type of certification activity on it's to it creates too much of opportunity for if there was some some impropriety by a vendor that you could continue to pass i'm rotate inventor vendors at least every three years and put them in that in law would help ensure that not only are these being assessed but there has setup do higher standard in this goes beyond specifically what the requiring because quite frankly a base and everything that's being said the is not requiring anything close to what is necessary in order to protect our election system and hopefully that will get better over time. But in the meantime arizona can be a leader in this area. Keeping machines specifically legislation should be considered the requires fallen of all the susa guidelines for elected systems equipment in any variances against those should be documented. And there has to be risk. Minnows or signed off should be public For for any derogations from those guidelines now those guidelines cover pretty much everything that mr cotton was covering today everything from setting up baselines on the systems everything baselines and network processes making sure. That user accounts are hill properly It all those details are all covered by. This was a very simple legislation. That's basically says it. Guidance followed legislation should be considered which requires assignment. Image will username passwords. Mr cotton's talked about that. a lot. today a legislations be considered acquires real time network monitoring of all like an election equipment even on the air gap networks. I'm so there is some indication of where occurred there. it may seem odd to to To have that on an air gaps network. But as mr cotton was mentioning. There's very small devices that you can take in. And if you can plug them into a network you can. Effectively give the entire network. Internet access. mean they're physically very small. That can hit an easily. And if you've got real time network monitoring under systems especially where the masses you can prevent you can identify that in at least have a log of it and potentially prevent it before anything happens and legislation to be considered that would prohibit it internet capable on election management system. Servers are equipment for being utilized. there's a number of devices that when you look at the serial numbers from the pro venusfly audits. They show that they had wifi carts and stuff put into them anytime the capabilities within a device. There's potential for it to turn on for someone to it on and activate it or use it to connect to some other Other device so it's it's highly recommended if equipment's not even there then. You can't have a failure to configure create any issues so legislation that far not just prevent interacts but prevented any type of capability in the device would help ensure integrity especially as we keep being told that things are not connected. Internet from the voting machines standpoint county employees should have all the administrative access on all sufficient to independently of ad validate all configuration. The fact that maricopa county said they did not have the hardware tokens necessary in order to see if they're election equipment was connected to the internet or not Is extremely extremely alarming the accountability the county needs to be able to hold accountable We may use subcontractors various different actions but the responsibility always falls on the county. I'm in therefore they need to always have all access that should not be something they can relegate to somebody else. In addition election voting machines should have paperback of balance which used to confirm votes were cast as intended and these machines must be regularly maintained vendors maintenance schedule one of the things that we that was found in. Some of our examination of the paper ballots is a lot of things. Were mis calibrated or otherwise. Not following general manufacturer guidance. If we want to to make sure that we get the intended results out of things always we should make sure that whatever goes through logic inaccuracy test in whatever it is. It's a standard use. A same thing. We're using on election day and if your test an assistant was something different than what happened in the real world. It's not a very good test legislation to be considered that requires a paper socks. Us is an election day conform to manufacturer specifications. And the. it's been tested properly. Now we think that you should have legislation that should consider creating audit department that should regularly conduct audits on rotating basis across all the counties in arizona to the best of my knowledge. Nobody is currently doing this. But based on the audit we performed there is a lot of processes and procedures that were not conducive to effective audits. The way that stuff gets better is by regularly checking it and re regular validating it and now the whole world is looking at her elections. I think it's very important that we take advantage of that and make sure that that what is done in our election. Departments is brought up to the same standards that financial industry uses in other critical systems. I'm it should not be an area. That's lagging on. Our voting equipment helps choose the most powerful individual in the world There's a lot of adversaries would like to take advantage of that. And we need to treat it. Accordingly and make sure that it is being audited too so that those standards maintained legislation be considered that requires batches of alice be clearly labeled separated from each other cannot easily mixed together in easily connected to the patches. Run through the tabulation equipment. There was a lot of hoops. We'd get through jumped through to even connect a box of balance to what was run through the software. An order match those two up and that is something that should be simple to do again because it facilitates audits and the those audits facilitate accountability. It well a full audit what we did this time. It cannot always be done. The better the record keeping is the easier it is to do partial our audits to confirm things that something audit department can do on a regular basis in addition to honest sometimes to influence. But it's just. It's not cost effective to do that. Every single year legislations be considered penalize purposely inhibited investigation officially sanctioned audit of an election I think why that's there's a little bit obvious. Audits are really effective when you had the cooperation of the management who control sins. And it's very very difficult to to to manage them. That's why financial services if your your typical financial audit if you don't if you don't comply with the audit you can literally be put in jail. At times hit ballots legislations be considered. It will make ballot images and castro records artifacts from an election that is published within a few days the results certified for increased transparency and accountability of the election process. These are things that we think is important for for the arizonans. American public to see invalidates with their own is currently in arizona. It's we had judge that stated that we could not make the ballot images publicly available. There should be nothing that links wants a ballot comes out of its envelope. There should be nothing that links it back to a person and there should be absolutely no reason why it shouldn't be able to public legislation further be considered which required all balanced to be cast on paper With security features such as watermark similar technology with a detailed account of what papers were used With our paper analysis. We wanted to be able to say that this is legitimate. Paper invalid in real and we wanted to be able to say this is not legitimate paper but with with as many wide number of paper server us. I think estimated over over ten different copies different types of paper. It's very difficult to make that. But if there's official paper that's kept track of it'd be much easier for an on it when it's conducted say without a shadow of a doubt whether is in fact printed on legitimate paper. Mill in voted should incorporate an objective standard a verification for early for votes implications similar to the idea requirements for in person voting. It seems likely that that mailing vote in will continue to increase from a security standpoint i. I'm i advocate. No more mail in ballots. But that's not probably realistic. So that being the case if it's going to continue we need to have good identification requirements and is an thank you for your time. Thank you mr logan. I appreciate that very much. We'll take all those into consideration. I'm sure we'll have more Let's go now to Senator senator sorry randy Mr pullen randy. Paul was her co legislative Liaison there as they saw the work building up quite so much Mr pullen could you give us just a tad of your background and As to why. I selected you to please do this independent count. Thank you president. Fan as well as german peterson. Thank you for your commitment. Is this forensic audit your resilience over the last six months as we went through it. Thank you just quickly about me personally. graduate from arizona state university undergraduate in math and chemistry nba. In one thousand. Nine hundred. ninety one. I sat foreign pass. Tcp examined nineteen eighty became a cpa at been cpa since then employment wise. I started out. my mba. I was working at a Engineering company writing software for them. And then i joined deloitte haskins and sells and began working in their audit department and helped him develop and test. The first statistical sampling software system for doing audits. I became a partner panel kerr forster and then again i went back. Became a partner delighted. Tusch or focused on financial auditing specifically for bank savings and loans hospitality industry. I actually did get involved in forensic audits so i understood how they function what you had to do. In order to complete them. I started by own company back in the nineties. I still do consulting accounting services. Can i also started an it company. In two thousand one wage watch which still exists is day and we developed software That still consider some of the best in the industry that we're in background wise. We the senate decided they wanted to do an independent count of the ballots in order to confirm to count by the county as well as to count by cyber ninjas on forensic audit and so that was kicked off on june twenty eighth They selected me to Run that Machine county get goes back to my experience knowledge I am immediately. Got brian blume. Who was the attorney who had worked on the floor the coliseum and was to legal counsel and adult with any francis issues that came up on the floor during the hand count And by that. I the end of june was no longer contractor with the Cyber ninjas independent and agreed to assist in the machine count we also Enlisted a lot of former volunteers. Who had worked on the floor. Doing tally counts as well as working in the growls. Taking care of the Ballot boxes and so we put together a pretty good team We went out and found the equipment for doing a machine count and looked at several different varieties and finally decided on need to stop pushing this and found the equipment equipment. We found. Interestingly enough was highly Considered around the country is very good equipment. And it's all this is in the report and we selected to bantam one counting machines that were made by us paper counters and we also got to paper. Joggers calling what they do is they help align all the paper before you run it through and do the count on paper and again. These ballots are very heavy paper so in the technician came in and set up the machines and we were testing the paper. He had to make adjustments to the machines that could handled quality the paper that we're running through the system so once we had that figured out then. We had the technician train our volunteers who work for us. And then i'll counting started on seven fourteen and completed it in twelve days. I will tell you that. The volunteers worked incredibly hard on this as well as observers. We had overseeing what they were doing and we started working at eight o'clock in the morning and we went until midnight. On those days we had Two teams that were working that very very solid work So here's what we found. The maricopa county official canvas. You can see. It has been reported earlier and we did a machine count and it was very close. We were one hundred. Twenty one less ballots then They had counted. Which again you can see the forensic election audit that count on the balance was a little bit less but all its within a thousand or what. Miracle county did not surprising. I wanted things. we did. Learn on the machines when we were testing them and setting them up to operate is when they did was miscount. And we did do recounts based on that but when there was a miscount essentially it was an undercount. Okay so being a little bit less than the official campus. Count was not surprising. Now here's some of the things we found and this kind of confirmed some of the things that we talked about earlier in the news reports we did find missing batches and boxes. Were you would open a box and it was supposed to have seven. Batches only be six patches in the box. Okay and then. Sometimes we found numbers eight batches in the box but only supposed to be seven so we found these kinds of problems by causing this. Okay so we. We're finding this missing matches and boxes. We were finding Batches boxes not listed on the boxes. Kind of like a ghost batch and then when you open some of the boxes to batch counts that went with every batch which is typically supposed to be about two hundred in the batch with the batch they were on top of the batch or they're on the side and so we'd have to go through and figure out Manually which which batch sheet with which which batch which again goes back to If if things were done more properly this would meet much easier. It could even be done faster as that. So that's pretty much what we came up with with this and so it again. Independently confirmed the numbers that the county and cyber inches founded in the ballot count. Thank mr palm. We appreciate that very much. We had Those did no. We had the ballots and before we gave him back. We said well. What do we do maricopa county and cyber ninjas counts. Don't match how do we know which side to go with. And so we decided. Let's get a couple of machines of our own into an independent just in case there was a difference. We could have an idea of which side to go. Thank you all right mr bennett. Are you still on zoom with us an president. Thank you thank you for waiting so long sir. Apologize for the delay. mr bennett. Would you give us just a tad background about yourself. And tell us what your observations were as the senate liaison and a provided i provided a our went to your staff and so i would ask that they prepared bring that up. But in the meantime. I served as the twenty-first secretary of state from two thousand nine two thousand fifteen. That's the chief elections official state of arizona. I'll full serve as the president of the center for years like yourself. And another four years as date senator bridge that those two domains. Maybe i've also. I also have an accounting degree from arizona state university and has worked in numerous businesses usually as the ceo or cfo g. Financial officer those companies. And i see the screen soil dumping here. I know our time has gone long day that you asked me to observe throughout my days there at the audit areas where compliance with election laws and procedures was accomplished and maybe where they weren't not comply with the as you know elections in arizona governor by election laws which are adopted by the legislature and the governor and then the secretary states procedures manual which is promulgated every other year by the secretary of states office but has to have the consent of the attorney general and the governor as well between those two documents. There's over thirteen hundred pages of laws and procedures like to just briefly. Say that now. Election can be conducted perfectly because it is administered by imperfect human beings. But that doesn't mean we don't try because it is through our elections that that we the people give our consent of the governor has identified in the declaration of independence and every citizen deserves to know that they are treated equally under the law as required by the constitution so every legal has to be accounted accurately and not canceled out by unlawful votes. This report is intended to identify where america County bailed may have failed to comply with some of these statutes but having said that i believe the majority of our election officials in arizona are honorable well intentioned people so i intend this report in the spirit of constructive improvement but also maintaining appropriate accountability. Let's go to the first slide as we've heard in previous testimony in the slides are changing on my screen. But i hope they are at durant first line Observations related to the missing signatures on ballot in below affidavits. And there's some statutes there that not seeing a change on your slides but we'll assume that the slides are changing at. You're in they'll see the statutes five seven sixteen five forty seven forty eight that early ballots. Fbi accompanied by an affadavit and by seven o'clock on election day. There's a cure period in section five fifty. Which is not noted there but era sixteen fifty. Two is very clear that that the election board is to check. The voters affidavit quote. If it's found to be sufficient votes will be count aloud. The affidavit is insufficient. The vote shall not be allowed and equally prescriptive in the election procedures. Spaniel if the early ballots. David is not signing county. Recorder's still not the ballot. As you heard in previous testimony the scope of this audit did not involve comparing signatures with the ball registration files. But you have dr sheva look for and identify a number of missing signatures on ballot envelope affidavits which to the extent that balanced from those envelopes. Were tally would violate the above us. Standards and procedures next lie. I hope you're seeing is because i'm not seeing original balance without matching serial numbers. Sixteen twenty one eight very specific that all ballots created percent of this other. Y'all be clearly labeled mary. Serial number that's recorded on the damaged or defective ballot and the e. p. m. says something very similar and if one of the reasons which is tied the balanced together the other reason would be to make sure that the votes recorded on the duplicate correctly reflect votes on the original or damaged ballot. There were approximately twenty. Five hundred duplicated. Ballots were there. Were no discernible. Serial numbers recorded on either. The original or the ballot. Obviously this does not comply with those statutes in procedures. The next slide. Hope is missing. Chain of custody a. r. s. Sixteen to twenty one says that the coun- will maintain a chain of custody for all election equipment imbalanced during early voting. Which at the beginning of an election through the completion of provisional voting are kind of the end of processing balance. The senate requested this change. The the county provided a very detailed chain of custody of the ballots that we did receive but we never received a chain of custody all the way back to the election period as the statute requires next is insufficient ballot. Paper thickness this is not a major item. But era sixteen. Five hundred hundred says that ballot she'll be printed on paper of Sufficient thickness regain the printing there on for being discernible from back. There can be debate as to whether this object for the burning on the ballots or when the ballots remarked with their votes. But there were as. Mr logan noted multiple the audit found multiple thicknesses of paper. Stock used the printing of ballots. Some of which on would allow kind of that bleed through effect which would not be in compliance with the statute next. One is common username passwords. As mr cotton noted the election procedures manual specifically says that applications within the ems system should use separate user names insecure passwords for each user or station and as he noted would he found common username and passwords being used which is inconsistent with this guidance from the election procedures. Men another the next one would be missing. Serial numbers or electrically adjudicated ballots the twenty nine nineteen like election procedures manual specifies that tabulation machines may be program to out stack or depressed identification numbers on the balance with writing those. That are electronically tally. This process is often known as judy. -cation there was well. Medical bas system does not use out stack method. But it does not appear that these identification numbers were printed on the lead track Balances required by this part of the procedures manual. And the last line would be. There's a one after this. The the last item is possible. Ineligible overs several articles which include multiple statutes within irs sixteen as well as many aspects of the election procedures manual identify arizona's requirements for an individual to be considered an eligible voter and therefore allowed to cast illegal boat. The audit identified numerous questions regarding possible. Ineligible voters however these determinations were as heard from mr log and made from comparisons between the counties. Final voted data and climate data sources. Not the official voter registration data so further investigation with the cooperation of the county hopefully is necessary to determine whether ineligible voters were allowed to vote in the two thousand election. Mr logan went into some of the possible. Categories of people have moved or cease or other categories. That i think you saw earlier testimony. And the last line is simply. Thank you for me for allowing me to work on this project. And i will conclude i guess my saying this that i have already starting to hear from people saying that wealthy on it failed because it didn't prove that the election was overturned or that there was a different result. Well as you noted when you began this process madam president. And when you began this this hearing today there is no predetermined. Least in mind and i know in yours. And warren's everyone at work on this audit and there is no predetermined outcome that we didn't find this or did find that fail because it's exactly the opposite identify strengths and weaknesses in our election procedures and statutes and if we confirm that this election was conducted where the had count. The ballots matches the electronic. Tally of the election for the election system used by the county. I don't consider that a failure. At all that maybe mr logan and his company have identified the the most accurate and counting process. As if you ever been used in the country and that's directly in opposition to many coming within our state and across the country who said that the procedures were terrible or this that and nothing could be further from the truth. I you know there were a lot of people that gave a lot of time. You he noted on. It was confirmed again on offer these as you requested as areas where we could make improvement. And i'll go to that. Thank you. Thank you mr bennett. And where are you went last. And you had to hold on the longest but Thank you so much for doing this for some of you may not know mr bennett. Did this On his own time on his own nickel and he lives in prescott but literally drove down almost every single day to be At the audit with the rest of the team to make sure that everything was done. Accordingly and chain of custody was followed and everything was always documented. So thank mr bennett. That was quite a yeoman's job on your part. All right closing comments senator piece peterson. I'll start thank you madam. President and all be fairly brief here. I just first of all want to thank you for what you've done with this. You have faced incredible opposition and hostility. And you have handled that with grace and dignity. So i wanna thank you and recognize you for that again. The goal here is election integrity and making sure our citizens have faith in the process. We wrap this up. What our next steps. What's where do we go from here. And i think there's legislation and i think there's a law enforcement that needs to be involved summit name off eight bullet points here that i think need to be handled by my colleagues and buyer attorney general first of all and what i have found perhaps the most unsettling through this whole process is the obstruction that we have seen from the county. The failure to comply with the auditor abrazen willingness to violate illegal subpoena. Our attorney general said that was against the law It's it's truly alarming. And furthermore to their willingness to expend significant resources human capital. You name it to block and to stop this audit. As i recall it was like eighteen thousand dollars or something like that for one of their audits that they spent money on. How much money have they spent trying to stop. It has to be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars but that would be interesting number to see. I'm number two the numbers. Don't reconcile as you've seen through. This is the theme throughout all the reports. All of us as citizens we should be able to pull up these election results and we should be able to every direction reconcile the numbers if i subtract you know early ballots if i checked if i add the rejected if i you know no matter which way you should be able to come up with reconciliation so that everything balances that needs to happen. It appears that they broke the law with duplicate ballots. And that's that's a huge deal that needs to be resolved. We need to get to the bottom of whether that law was broken how to prevent it in the future. Hold people accountable that did it. This time churning of locks the churning of logs. We need to find out why that happened. Who did it. What was the motive. What and what was there we need to. We need to get to the bottom of the logs that their chain of custody issue number five chain of custody issues number six a failure to preserve data files and number seven cybersecurity weaknesses. That were so that were shown by mr cotton. So evident here. Those are not gonna get any better. We're seeing people being held hostage the cyber security day and it's constantly becoming more sophisticated. We have to definitely need to up our game there and number eight the envelopes with blink signatures. We have a lot of questions there. The needs to be answered. So without a madam president I look forward to working with my colleagues. And with the attorney general in any way to resolve these issues and to improve our elections and to increase election integrity in the state of arizona. Thank you senator peterson. senator piece peterson is our jude. Chairman this Started end jude committee back in december and only appropriate to end up there and my closing remarks. First and foremost let me tell everybody that all of these reports are up and posted on our website for you to access alabam that website is a z senate republicans dot com a z. Senate republicans dot com. You can all go there and see all those reports second of all. I have already transmitted a letter to our attorney. General's office with all of those reports that not only includes everything that we have noted here but also everything that senator peterson has concerns about The attorney general has that we're asking him to open up a formal investigation so that he can pursue and get a seek additional information. Additional facts Perhaps get some of these missing things that we were never able to get Verify this olives information and take the appropriate actions of anything that is necessary to do I have very every confidence that he will be doing that. Also wanna say. Thank you to my senate republican colleagues. When we started this it was we had every single. One of our republican members said this is important. Our constituents have questions. They want answered. We didn't think it was gonna be this long. We didn't think it was going to be this expensive this difficult but we did it. We hung in there. We did it and as you can see. We do have some work to do here. We have a lot of work to do because quite honestly if we don't follow our rules don't follow her elections. This is how problems can happen. We also know that eighteen different states since sent representatives here because they have constituents asking the same questions and the very least what. I think that we can all come out of this is that we need to do audits to some extent we need to do bigger audits on every election just to make sure that everybody's following the rules so with that i want to say thank you to mr logan mr paulin. Mr cotton Mr bennett all of you. Present mr sheva dr sheba Thank you for all your hard work. I know this was very difficult on you. And your family. Mr logan You've been here for many months and you've left your wife and eleven children back home. And he has another one do in next month in a couple of weeks so we gave up a lot for this. We appreciate it so to everyone. Thank you all very much. Thank you for being so polite up there. We appreciate that. And now prayers and blessings to everybody and eliza. Let's move our elections forward. Thank you we are journed. Thank you so much for listening everybody. Email us your thoughts. Freedom at charlie. Kirk dot com. God bless you guys speak for more many many of these stories and news you can trust. Go to charlie kirk dot com.

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Joe biden is releasing a slew of executive orders aimed at curbing pollution conserving natural lands and addressing environmental justice among the orders hillis a new office of climate change at the us department of health and human services to address the overlap between global warming and public health as well as forming a new national climate task force susanne tuttle of north carolina. Interfaith power and light says the actions are welcome and convey the urgency of the climate crisis that many people face especially those in coastal communities by administration taking important action to protect the health of our communities the public lands oceans and waters. We enjoy the wildlife that we treasure and the future of our climate. She says research shows investing in clean. Energy will help create good jobs and spur. long-term economic growth she also notes the administration's actions are in step with governor roy. 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Reports of measure in the washington state legislature would make justice for all communities the bedrock of environmental policies in the state the healthy environment for all or he lacked would incorporate environmental justice for communities of color and frontline communities into law gear regales with the group front and center which is leading the effort. On the he'll act. He says the bill would guide the state as it. Confronts climate change the communities who have been most impacted by pollution at the forefront of the decision making process and helping ensure that go to the communities who are most impacted. and so. that's where we needed this piece of legislation in order to put that into washington state statute l. says the federal government has a definition for the term environmental justice but supporters of the. He'll act want to see washington state. Go further the bill had a public hearing last week. Environmental justice groups. They're still waiting on a final draft of the bill which is noticed set at fifty one. Forty one this is p. m. s. the government is working to buy two hundred million more doses of covid nineteen vaccines and as the pandemic reinforces the value of caregivers. Hoops and virginia are urging lawmakers there to pass a trio bills. They're calling the domestic workers bill of rights they'd help more than sixty thousand nannies. Cleaners and home care. Workers gained worker protections ingrid vodka undocumented housekeeper from bolivia says. This kind of support is especially important during the pandemic as she and her colleagues have lost clients over concerns about spreading the virus and last fall. She and her two children contracted covid nineteen. Lucas says she and others desperately needs support like paid time off and unemployment insurance because with any possessions. And also you know you have to eat. We have to read. Senate bill one. Three one zero would add domestic workers to all virginia's existing worker protection laws. I'm diane bernard president biden last week signed executive orders ending the travel ban for muslims. Preserving the daca program and creating an ear pathway to citizenship as a new ford act was introduced to the house to reverse immigration laws related to mandatory detention says he's skull is with the group individual c. l. e. at big fear is that now that biden is an office and the democrats are in the majority. Folks are going to start to pay a little bit less attention and that is the aquit. Also ban for profit immigration detention centers and completed oyster habitat galveston bay promotes conservation. While still recognizing the importance of commercial choisir harvesting to the region's economy or williams is with the nature conservancy race that we constructed in galveston bay as using a model in which we restore the reef and part of it. 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Another debate with friend of the show host of part of the problem. Dave smith is back for another round in the lions of liberty. Fight pit dave. Are you ready to roar roar motherfucker. Here we go again. I had a feeling and now this time we've got kind of different type of opponent. This is not actually one of your online critics at all. This is someone who is actually a fan. Someone who's been a fan of your show. And a member of the part of the problem. Inner circle presenting. He is a former maine. State senator eric brady eric. Are you ready to roar roar. let's go for it. Excellent so gentlemen. Today we are not debating as we have on several other shows whether dave is racist or a member of the outright or actually. I don't know. I have no idea what sort of accusations eric might bring up throughout the do who you promised me that our next debate will be whether on nazi again of call take one off but then we're going right back into it. We're gonna see we discussed before the show like those do seem to be pretty pretty darn good for ratings so we'll see more substantive topic gets you know gets more traction less traction and the market will decide if if debating whether you're an odds he gets anymore down though. That's that's what we're going to be doing at the end of the day but for today we're going to be debating not really a specific criticism. Like i said. Eric you're a big fan of days work. We're going to be debating really more strategy and you guys are both I guess what you consider. Like ron paul republicans. Everyone wants to find that. You're both inspired by ron policy. Become libertarians to get involved and active within the liberty movement. You both done that in different ways over the years. But now you're are bo both looking at a time right here which many people are seeing sort of a attorney especially after the last year of seeing lockdowns and the type of stuff that only alex jones could have really dreamed coming to the world has been happening right in front of our eyes and i think a lot of us. See this as a moment. A moment where libertarians have to either take charge and take the lead or i don't know just give up and go go hide somewhere in antarctica but Both of you are still very active in the liberty movement. And both of you are sort of heaven. Late eric for a good number of years now have been pushing forward specific strategies to do so within the political arena So i'm just going to lay out this proposition. This actually was brought up by by eric. Send a break The idea for this debate. So i will let senator break you go first but i want to lay out the proposition itself. So what we will debate. Today is the question. Is the best path forward. For the ron paul liberty movement to focus on one growing. Our influence in the libertarian party. That's the position. Dave will be taking or to take control of the gop of the republican party away from the neoconservatives that is the position that Senator break he will be a speaking for so that being said eric. This was your idea this debate. This was your idea this subject to talk about today. So i'm going to let you go first. You've got five minutes or so. Because i'm not that strict on these awesome mark mark. Thank you so much for hosting this. It's great to be back on the lines liberty podcast. Thank you dave for doing this debate as mentioned i'm a i've been listening to dave's podcast and lines liberty for years. This will probably be the friendliest debate days having a while and anyway look forward to it. We we largely agree on ideological grounds. This is a debate. A strategy mark said. I should probably introduce myself. I'm probably not as well known by the audience. Years davis my short version. My story i got started back in two thousand ten. Just as a as a ron. Paul liberty activist. I became a staffer. On ron paul's campaign Became the state director of maine in two thousand and twelve where we won the state. We took over the state republican party. I ran for state senate. Two years later defeated a thirty six year democrat incumbent In the state senate passed constitutional. Carry a right to try welfare. Reform expanded medical cannabis and i was the republican nominee for united states. Senate in the state of maine In two thousand eighteen And i've been fighting for liberty ever since so that's the short version of who i am but here we are. We're debating strategy now. What prompted the meek calling for this debate is dave who again a big fan of and i've been listening to for years has been lately calling. And ron the ron paul liberty movement to spend our energies taking over the libertarian party through the macy's caucus but i'm here to argue and explain why really the most effective strategy is suspend those energies instead defy defeating the neo conservatives inside the gop and using the republican party as the vehicle to save our country now to understand who is right in this debate. I think that we have to start by asking a few basic fundamental questions and the first and most obvious one is what in the world is a political party in the first place. Now we can look at the dictionary. Dictionary says the definition is a lot of persons organized to acquire an exercise political power. Now it's worth noting what isn't in there. There's no mention of ideology because political parties are nothing more than ideologically neutral vehicles. The political ideology is not built into the machinery of political party. It's defined by who is in the driver's seat so the next question we have to ask is which which car would rather be in and task that we got to know where we trying to go. What is your goal and which political vehicle is more effective at getting you there now. I believe the the goal of our liberty movement should be nothing short of trying to save america by restoring the principles of individual liberty in our country. And they're tend to theories on how you do this. There's the education theory and the mobilization theory and if your strategy is education. And i bet dave and i would agree on this. There's really only one. Effective example of of campaigns educating millions of americans on the principles of liberty and that was ron paul's presidential campaigns as a republican and if your strategy is mobilization winning elections and changing laws and policy than the most effective political vehicle is even more clear that in the last year alone. Hundreds of candidates in the legacy of ron paul have won election to state legislatures across america and all but one of them were republicans now in wyoming last november. There was an lp candidate who for the first l. p. candidate to win election to a state legislature in a quarter century. I think that that's certainly something to be celebrated. We should celebrate victories in the liberty movement wherever we get them but the fact of the matter is that we live in a two party system and victories outside the two major parties are going to continue to be extraordinarily rare. many say. it isn't fair that we live under a two party system. And i tend to agree with them. But you can't change the rules of the game unless you actually win and we have to win. Now the next question i would ask is what do we actually get for. Controlling the libertarian party. If step one is taking over the l. P. what step to. How does this help us save america now. I understand the appeal. I think that part of the appeal is that taking over. The lp is much easier than taking over the gop. And i would say it's easier for a very specific reason because nobody with any real power in america actually cares if we take over the l. p. They aren't guarding it. Because it's not a threat to them. So we have to embrace the truth that the liberty movement has become a radical position in america and radical movements. Do not win without radical discipline. Do you think that bernie sanders and are wasting their time trying to infiltrate the green party or the socialist party or the peace and justice party of course not they know where the real power in in america allies and it's in the two major parties and those who say we can't take over the gop that it's too hard. I'm here to tell you that. I know that we can do it. Because i've done it before in two thousand twelve i worked with grassroots grasping minutes. All right. i'll. I'll take your tab up in thirty seconds or so. I'll guard two thousand twelve. I worked with grass. Ron paul activists. We took over the main republican party by showing up in larger numbers at the state convention than mitt romney establishment As a liberty state senator. I've already talked about some of the things that i- -ccomplish there but at the end of the day look who was at the of all this. I was just a ron. Paul liberty activists trying to make a difference. If i could do it anybody could do it. And plenty more points to make but we'll We'll make them as we go on. But ultimately i just wanna say the because of the trump movement which is falling apart right now the neoconservative grip on. The republican party has never been weaker than it is before than it is right now sun tzu said strike when your enemy is weak. They are weak right now. They're trying to reassert control. Liz cheney's being heralded as the next coming of leadership in the republican party but the republican party voters. Don't want liz cheney. In fact they They are very hostile. E against so many of the institutions that we've been against for so long the war machine the deep state the corporate media even the establishment itself if we get distracted right now by going after a third party instead of seizing the republican party. Right now from the bottom up as we're doing with these state legislative races that. I'm not sure that we're going to ever get an opportunity like this again in our lifetimes thank you. That was a former maine state. Senator eric breaky laying out his case. For why the home. Of the ron paul liberty movement should be in the gop and now talk things over to dave smith who will be speaking for the libertarian party. Being the home of that. Same ron paul movement dave takeaway all right. Well thank you to both of you guys. Thank you mark for hosting another one of these things and thank you so erik first of all I just i. I really can't express how much Gratitude and admiration. I have for you specifically for being the state director. The ron paul campaign in two thousand twelve which is just the greatest campaign in the history of america. As far as i'm concerned and i salute you and on top of that. You've already done a much better job than my last debate opponent. So congratulations on that as well So let me. Just try to take on a few of the points that you're making and and and present the case for why i actually think while i agree with a lot of your points i think the move right now is for libertarian. To take over the libertarian party now of course you kind of Acknowledged this yourself but you asked at one point what car you would rather drive. But that's not really the entirety of the question. I mean if. I have a chevy in my parking lot outside and then i have a jaguar across the ocean. The question is not which car. I'd rather drive. If i have somewhere that i need to get to very quick because i've got like a dying patient in the backseat. I need to take the car that i can take over immediately. And that's to me. What what really all of this comes down to now. Look i have enormous respect for you and what you do and let me just say first of all i do not have anything against libertarians. Who are in the republican party. And i think that the lp should be strategic about this. I don't think we should be running campaigns against thomas massie or just in a mosh when he was a republican or rand paul or something like that so i think there's room for all those guys and i think strategically supporting them at at points does make sense however when you say that you know you can take over the republican party because you have done it. Well that's actually not true. And actually what happened is that you were on your way to being a senator and john bolton and these dirty bastards poured half a million dollars into a super pac to make sure they could take that away from you. The other point i would make. Is that defeating the neo cons First of all neo. Cons are like cockroaches no matter how much you have them defeated. There's you see three of them. You stomp out. There's a thousand more under the carpet. They have control of reins of power that we libertarians. Because we are boxed in by our own ideology will never be able to. Have you know that this is one of the problems with non aggression principle if you really believe in it it. It makes it that. You can't really be machiavellian in the way that people who don't believe in the non aggression principle candidate but there's a whole other problem with the republican party's which is right wingers and and you're going to have to deal with the fact that the republican party is not made up of libertarians. It's made up of right wingers. And this is why trump ended up winning. And this is why the best you're gonna hope for here is to get some populist right-winger who you can be in the era of you know you can be rand paul. Who's whispering in the ear of donald trump and we just ran that experiment and we got nothing for it absolutely nothing less than nothing. I mean the worst thing we could have possibly got. We got the biggest government in the history of humanity. Every last one of the war is still going on. Americans locked in their homes all year long. And oh by the way. He handed the presidency off to. Joe biden the architect of all of the worst policies in america. That we're all living under right now. A guy who could never get elected as president intil this disaster This disastrous year. Which like it or not. Donald trump presided over like it or not. Donald trump the anti neo-con con the populist right-wing energy that you're talking about capturing made the guy who poured half a million dollars into your race to destroy you the national security adviser okay. He didn't he didn't listen to rand. Paul he listened to him. So here's the deal. We are in a situation now in this was right at the core of what ron paul always said. It's a bitter pill for libertarians to swallow. But it's something that we better. We better swallow. There is no political solution to this. The idea that we're going to get in there we're going to elect somebody who will get into the whole and roll back the state look. Donald trump was not a threat to power the way president ron paul would bay and look how the deep state boxed him in. They framed him for treason for three years. They made sure he couldn't get anything done you. Can you imagine what it would be like. If ron paul actually got in there he'd be taken a limo ride through dallas real quick. Okay this is not going to be a political solution to this. The country is on a suicide mission. As ron paul told us this system is going to collapse and our chance will be after it. Collapses the goal here is. Can we wake up enough people before that happens that we have a chance of rebuilding something better in the image of liberty. That's the only goal now you if you want to add and everybody knows i mean countries on a free and suicide mission. This thing is unwinding very quickly. If you're talking about taking over the republican party at making okay if you're talking about taking over the republican party and making it a libertarian party. You're looking at a thirty year battle that you'll still probably fail at. If you're talking about taking over the libertarian party. All we need to make the decision. And it's hours. If every rothbart in every ron paul leeann every radical libertarian joins the libertarian party. It is ours. We have the third biggest party. We can use it as a platform to spread these ideas and we can wake up millions of people all right dave. Thank you very much. And the first thing i want to dive into a little bit further Is something you sort of mentioned there at the end that eric also mentioned in his opening statement. And this is my really kind of tie in figuring out what your each of your philosophies are for what the liberty movement should really be even be doing. But that is the idea that dave even if you are successful and quote unquote taking over the gop. The libertarian party and making it the of the true home of the rob hall liberty movement. What many including senator break you would say. So what then what. What do you do with that. Because you're still in the situation where the political system is rigged impossible to get ballot access. The media's going to ignore you so what are you actually. Plan to use the libertarian party. Four were you successful in convincing everybody today that that's the best place to put all the energy if really even people that are now involved in the gop shift gears. They heard this podcast. They said dave was right. Everyone goes they'll take it over. It's the real home of the liberty movement but then what is the real question. Well i think that the the reason. Why ron paul ran as a republican. Because you know he used to get asked this question all the time Why are you a republican. Because you're obviously a libertarian. So why not. Run on the libertarian party. And he would basically say because the rules are rigged and the only way to get on the debates and get in front of millions of people is to be a republican and get on the debate stage and he was absolutely right in two thousand eight. But if you're looking at the presidential election of two thousand twenty four you know that's sixteen years later than two thousand eight. This is a different time. And the truth is that i get on the big shows in the world and i've i've gotten in front of millions of people in the last couple months. The libertarian party doesn't need to play by the old games. we don't have the same restrictions anymore. we have the internet. We have huge shows. We have social media for now And so. I just don't think that the old rules still apply. So if the if we're looking to follow in the footsteps of ron paul rather than rand. Paul okay Because we see the success of those ron paul was about changing people's minds and introducing them to these new ideas rand. Paul was about playing within the republican party and trying to gain status and trying to be in the ear of the and we saw how both of them worked out. And i think that the ron paul strategy is the way to go. And i think were best suited to do that in the libertarian party. Now and i would just mention that. The fact that ron paul ended up running as a republican i mean look ron. Paul ran as a libertarian and then ended up as as a republican later pat buchanan. Mr. gop ended up going third party ultimately. If ron paul was twenty years later and kept this thing going. There's a very good chance he could have gone. Back to the libertarian party. You have to kind of judge the moment you're in while you're in it and i think that right now is the perfect time for a third party to come along. There's most americans are sick of both of these. Two parties and as the system fails more and more. It's going to become more evidence that the two parties have failed senator. Which can to respond to that. So i wanna push back on a few things. That were said in an dave's opening statement. First of all. I wanna push back on this idea that a lot of people didn't vote for trump because of what he was four voted for trump. Because of what he was against a lot. People voted for ron paul. Sadly i think we voted for him. We supported ron paul. Because of what he was four he was four liberty but also at the time. A lot of people supported ron paul. Because he was the biggest middle finger you could give to the establishment in two thousand sixteen. Sadly the biggest middle finger you could give you. The establishment was not rand. Paul donald trump. And now. what. What i'm getting at here is that is a. There are a lot of voters in our american society who are who are not clearly ideological to say that to say that the problem is we're not going to be able to get these people behind a liberty message because they're not for liberty while what will really was trump trump four and a lot of the a lot of these things it was. He was against those those assholes in in washington. Dc he was against the establishment and people. A lot of people follow him because of that we need to have. We need to marry the liberty message to that populist anger. Just like ron. Paul was able to do Drunk donald trump had was the populist anger. He lost the principles But we but we need to marry those two things. One of the things. That i've i've i've found in politics. Is that folks like you. Mark and dave and myself folks who have a very clear ideology what we're four sadly where where where rare breeds. A lot of people are just following the person who sounds like they know what they're talking about. And and i see this not just as far as voters go but as far but also as far as even folks in the legislatures themselves go so this idea that that the neo cons are everywhere that you you you you get rid of one new and another one's going to be there in congress really. How many folks in congress would we actually say are real ideological neo cons. You know. I bet you find like an actual like a couple dozen. The problem is there's there's there's not a couple dozen liberty minded folks. We've got a few handful in congress and in state legislatures across the country. That's what we need to build. But the vast bulk of the middle of these elected officials just like the vast bulk of the middle of voters are just following people who sound like they know what they're talking about. I've seen it in in the state legislature in maine I was able to get huge coalitions to pass things. Like constitutional carry and welfare reform and medical cannabis. In and right to try. And i d i got from the tenth amendment center. Listening to the. Tom would show you know because i stood up there and and people people were like well. Jeez this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about where we're going this way. The sad truth is that most of the folks in politics these days most of the folks that most of the elected officials aren't there because they had a clear idea vision of government. Not because they had a clear. Neocon philosophies clear libertarian philosophy. They got they got there because they were popular. They were a popular teacher a popular tennis coach. And someone recognized people know you they like you. You can win an election and so they get there and they don't know what to do and so they just follow the people who seem like they know what they're doing we can be those people who get there and know what we're what we're what we're doing and folks will follow our lead but so i'm a. I'm a little bit confused. So i just wanted to ask. So are you saying then that we need to just seem like we know what we're doing or that. We need to be the biggest middle finger because the problem i'd have having this really is a question. I'm not just using it to to rant But the problem. That i think you're gonna run up against is if there is a right wing populist like donald trump. You're never going to be able to be bigger middle finger than him and still be a libertarian. Because by its very nature. Libertarianism is kind of a compromise ideology. It's like you don't get to enforce your well on other people but you get to do whatever you want to. That's kind of the libertarian compromise. That's what the non aggression principle is so if donald trump is willing to get up there and say deport them all deport every illegal immigrant. you have. How do you libertarian. Become a bitter a big middle finger than that by identifying the other issues we can be the biggest middle finger on well. While sticking principal ron paul achieve that by being the biggest middle finger to the federal reserve by being the biggest middle finger to the war machine rand paul who i love and i consider you know a mentor and someone i look up to. I think you're right. He made a strategic mistake and trying to trying to temper the message and make it a little bit more establishment friendly but the establishment was never going to get on board with him and and the folks who were looking for the anti establishment candidates that you know look over at trump who was willing to to to you don't channel channel the that that anti-establishment anger more is. I'm sorry i. I kinda wanna know so i can take on this argument so i i can see this. So you're saying that the biggest moment we had in the liberty you know history. Was ron paul presidential campaigns. I completely agree who we have. Who could possibly be that guy on the republican party. Who's actually going to run and be able to do this. I mean the thing that. I think we're missing here. Is that ron. Paul was so unique. Ron paul was able to get elected in this rural red district in texas because he delivered. Everybody's baby that was it. They couldn't demonize him because basically like a fifth of the population had their babies delivered like five thousand babies. so they were like ron. Paul wants to legalize heroin. He's a heroin addict and they'd be like he delivered my two boys. I don't think so. And then he was like this cult hero for being around for thirty years. I mean who do we have. Who's going to do that. Who's who's going to step up on the republican party and and be this voice who will by the way i think still probably lose to donald trump. As unfortunately i think ron paul still would have lost to donald trump. What's what's the strategy here to have. Another ron paul movement in the republican party well first of all. I think we need to. There's so much attention that's paid to the presidency. And i certainly think that the the opportunity of running for the presidency is a great educational moment. As we saw with ron paul but it's not the only opportunity that's out there one of the frankly the best opportunities i see right now. Are people running for the state legislatures across the country. You know and and we've been making them by the hundreds and these are folks but these are folks who become the populist heroes of the conservative base. I became a populous hero of the conservative base in maine a lot of the folks who were electing in. We've got ron. We've got ron paul style. Republicans elected now in thirty seven states and still and and one of the problems with the state. Legislatures in america is not that they don't have enough power to challenge washington. Dc and challenge a lot of these things going on the country. It's that they don't have the appetite. The will or the understanding of how much power they actually have. You know people have to understand you know tom. Woodstock's used to talk about it. A great deal got to understand the power of the legislatures have to nullify unconstitutional laws. Like so many of these ron paul. Legislators who were getting elected to to to state capital today understand and the the heroes the heroes. I don't know who the heroes of the next moment are going to be. But i know that we're entering some pretty dark times right now in the silver lining of dark times as we enter them is that that's when heroes emerged. That's when people can stand up. That's when we find out. Who the new ron. Paul czar and i think that they are getting elected. The state legislatures today a there. Kitty cats. I need to take a quick little break to remind you that if you love coffee and i need coffee i need coffee to get through interviews at this point because let's say just past forty. I need a little extra kick in my step. And i get that kick from our good friends at lauren. Zadi italy these guys have some premium. Coffee blends at an amazing price. 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It's meaningless as julian assange saying but the first amendment says this power is as mouse. A tongue said is derived from the barrel of a gun and they will find out very quickly if they challenged the federal government that they in fact do not have that power and one way or the other. We've got to start taking on that issue and the truth to me is that if we're i just don't think this nation is on a suicide mission and i don't think i think it's great. That people are trying to take over state. Legislators and. I wouldn't tell them to stop doing it but i think what we need is a real ron paul type of revolution. I think that's what we need. And i think the only way you're going to get that is having somebody run on the presidential level that can use it as a megaphone as a bully pulpit and really communicate these ideas to a lot of people so i'm not against anybody trying to win local or state races and whatever party i'd i'd like you said i don't care about political parties. I care about liberty. I care about whatever the parties are just vehicles you know but what do you think is going to be the vehicle that can actually wake millions of people up because i think that's our only chance to actually make a difference here and i think that's a party erin. Yeah go on that real quick. And i would just say. The republican party is vehicles. What gives us the megaphone to reach the untold millions of people who frankly one of the sad truth of of where we are as a country and just kind of tribal mentality that comes just is a sad part of human nature is that there are so many people millions of americans who will not consider who will not look outside that partisan box. They're going to check the are they're going to check the and that probably accounts for about sixty percent of all the voters in america. Not only does that make it very difficult to win in a in a two party system when you're running as a third party if you gotta go from it's much easier to go from thirty percent to fifty one percent than it is from one percent to fifty one percent especially when sixty percent of the vote is already accounted for but but on top of that many people won't even many many folks ron. Paul was able to reach those folks because he was able to go through this vehicle of the republican party. And and that's what gave him access to these untold millions of people. I certainly wouldn't be here. If ron paul had been running as a libertarian back. Then i get what you're saying kinda times of change but still at the same time. There's so many people who are still married to this two party system. I wouldn't be here today. I wouldn't have woken up. I wouldn't have seen the lies of the neo cons. If it wasn't for ron paul as a republican standing on that republican debate stage. Yes so let me. Just be very clear about what i'm arguing here. I agree with you. And i also wouldn't have woken up if ron paul hadn't run as a republican but that happened. He did that libertarian. He mainstreamed libertarianism. And now we can move to. This libertarian party where we have social media. We have huge podcast. We have all of this now. I will tell you i. This is what i think right. I think that if ron paul had run into let's say ron paul was a little bit younger. You know which really was. The only problem is he was just a little. Unfortunately he was just a little bit too old for the time that his movement exploded. Which is the only negative thing. I will ever say about ron paul ever. He just wasn't born on the right day but if if he had run as a republican in two thousand sixteen probably she does better than rand but donald trump still steals the day. because he's just that famous. He's that brash. She's that aggressive and he was just going to suck all of air out of the room. But ron paul went and ran as a third party if he ran on the libertarian party. In two thousand sixteen after his previous two campaigns. Because that's really what we're talking about. Running on the libertarian. Party post ron paul revolution. And if he had done that. I think the liberty movement would have stayed alive and he would have had an unbelievable platform to po people in who just were disgusted by hillary clinton and donald trump. He would have been the third option which is a truly principal guy. The truth is right. We've never seen because the libertarian party has kind of blown every opportunity they have. We've never really seen how much potential they have. What i need. People to envision is is is someone. No one's going to be as good as ron paul. But on a scale of one. To ron paul and eight rather than three you know actually running for president on a third party getting on all of these huge shows killing it on all of these shows that to me is our best chance by far and i still think the problem you're going to have in. The republican party is that there's just more right-wingers than there are libertarians. And at the end of the day we are not really right. Wingers our way. That's not really what we are now. Don't get me wrong. I like talking to them. I've had more success polling from them than i have from left-wingers although some from each but truthfully speaking we almost have to dance around. What some are true principles are if we talked to right wingers because right wingers are not libertarians. And that's what dominates the gop and that's why donald trump is gonna beat a libertarian. Ten out of ten times. Erica out whenever you could speak to that a little morrison a few times here The gop posted donald trump or post. This iteration of donald trump. Who knows if he's if he's done or if he'll be running again or he'll be allowed to run again but no matter what we have seventy million people that voted for donald trump. The maga voter seventy four seventy four million. Whatever may be the maga voter. David factcheck The maga voter exists and the maga voter is out there and the maga voter has a lot of passionate energy. So and a lot of people will say that that this maga movement The trump movement has really destroyed any semblance. That may have been left of the gop being a party of liberty with all the very. Very very non libertarian positions. That trump has taken on many different issues from healthcare to the border. Or what have you. So eric. I want you to speak specifically as the state of the gop post donald trump or whatever kind of state. We're in right now after his presidency. How is is the gop still after this. A place where liberty can thrive or lured. Liberty can become come to the forefront again whereas many would say after the after this this four years of trump the gop is so far far from representing liberty movement that has just unsalvageable. Say the gop in a post. An immediate post trump era as much closer to liberty movement than it was in the george w. bush era. I think we we're talking about a time. When i think we've got the most fertile ground here we've ever had and again so many of the folks in the trump movement the maga- movement whatever you wanna call it. So many folks are motivated by being against particular institutions institutions. That we are in fact against they don't necessarily always have the ideological reasons for why they're against it and why these institutions are bad. They just know that they don't like them. They don't trump. Trump has turned so many people against the war machine. We're talking about the deep state we're talking about the corporate media were talking about. How terrible mitt. Romney's frankly who do you think hates mitt romney. More democrat voters republican voters. Frankly i think i think republican base voters hate mitt romney more than a lot of libertarians. I know these days thinking a walk here you know and so look obviously a movement that is motivated by what it is against is back is lacking some real ideological footing. That's where it's our job to provide that ideological footing say yeah. We're against that too and provide people the reason why that's actually bad. You take what they're against and you say you justify that and you say yes. And here's the reasons why and i'll follow us to liberty. I mean that's how that's how figures in. That's how figures in the in the ron paul movement. Back in back in the tea party wave took me from being a neoconservative to being a a. Ron paul libertarian. By saying yeah. We're against the f- you know. Hey we're all. I remember jack countries to say. Hey we're all against these. These federal bureaucracies. These federal bureaucracies are bloated and the federal department of education is a complete waste of money we all. We all agree with that that it's a it's a bloated wasteful government program. So where's the special fairy dust that we sprinkle over the department of defense that makes it anything else other than another bloated federal government bureaucracy. And you start saying you harness what people are against and you provide the philosophical underpinning and you lead people towards towards liberty. It's it's. That's that's how ron paul was effective. That's how many folks were effective. You gotta meet people where they are and you gotta give him up and you gotta you gotta lead them to liberty. Sure no look. I completely agree with that right. I mean and you know. We're both on the same page with that. I mean that's what i do. That's what i do every single day. Right as talk about what year against and while you're right to be against it but here's the real reasons why you should and here's what you should be four rather than just being against something. This is something. Meese has talked about a criticism. He made of right-wingers back. When when measles was before you even came to america. He was writing about this stuff. So i completely agree with you on that. And you're right that at the moment. Republicans really hate mitt romney. They also chose mitt romney over. Ron paul not that long ago they also chose john mccain over ron paul. Not that long ago now. That's not to not give them credit for being better. I mean my argument isn't that we shouldn't be talking to these people. And i think you're probably right that the republican base in a better place now that certainly than they were in the george w bush years. But here's the problem. it's the same problem with libertarians. Kind of feeling like the left was our ally during the george w bush years. Yeah they're really against the same thing where against but they're really not four what we're four and if you wanted to find that out let there be another nine eleven style attack and you would find out real quickly. The big difference between us the republican pace. Can you imagine. I mean thank god. Donald trump's out of there in five days if if not sooner or whatever But you know my big fear through. The trump presidency was that there would be a terrorist attack. 'cause my god can you imagine what trump's reaction would have been. Had there been a terrorist attack. He would have had to drop the biggest bomb he would have had to invade. Triple the country's george. Bush did just to prove what a big dickey has or whatever and the right wing republican base would have gone along with him lockstep because he is their god and they do not they like like you said they don't work. They worship him and it's not funny principles that he has. He opposes all of the things that they oppose. And so the problem we're going to run up against is that these people are not libertarians. And least in the libertarian. Party is funny. The irony of this. This debate was really hilarious. About is that we're both sitting here. Defending parties whose leadership hates our guts. But you know like right now but minds better but at least my leadership isn't blood-soaked monsters like you've got. You've got a nicer because they haven't had the opportunity to actually wheeled any power to be blood-soaked monsters. Listen listen. I understand what you're saying but you can't tell me that you wouldn't rather have look after nine. Eleven george w bush and dick cheney literally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people after nine eleven on september twelfth. Two thousand one. Harry brown wrote what is one of the greatest pieces of writing in american history. So you can't convince me that. There's no difference between how the libertarian party would handle that type of power for someone else but again that to me is kind of a moot point because we're never going to be handling that type of power but what we can do is get enough principle people together. I mean the libertarian. Party has already. I mean the media's caucus forty percent of the party the the there's at least sixty percent rothbart ends in the party. Ah what's going to happen over the next year. The recruiting drives up. It's going to be seventy five to eighty five percent hardcore rothbart minimum and then we actually have a vehicle where we can insert our narrative into the discussion. And i got to say like look. Obviously these things are kind of cyclical and different times people. You know that one point. Rothbart was in the libertarian party. At one point he was supporting republicans at one point. Ron paul was in the libertarian party. At one point supporting republicans pat buchanan left and went third party. Ralph nader left and went third. You know there's all these right now to me. It seems to be a time where the republican party is on the verge of collapse. The democratic party has its own civil war that's brewing and is going to come. I understand the argument that we could capture one of these parties but that is a daunting daunting task whereas we can just decide to. Capture the libertarian party. And it's hours. And i think that is the move right now. The problem is that both of these two major parties. They still have all of the problems that even if the republicans have gotten a little bit better with trump there's still a consensus over the government getting bigger and bigger and bigger and nobody really trying to tackle that and this whole culture war that we're living through. It's all about that. That's what's at the center of it. Is that the government got so big that now we have to fight a culture war over who gets to wield this power. We need to be our own thing that is because the truth is were not right. Wingers or left-wingers. We're libertarian and we need need to insert that into the conversation and the best path of doing that is to not be left-wingers or right-wing. The truth is eric. And i know if i press you on this. There's probably fucking twelve issues where you're more of a left-winger than a right winger and so you know like it just makes more sense for us to be libertarians. And let the chips fall where they may as tom would set. Who is a member of the libertarian party. As ron paul hasn't dorsey the mesa's caucus and endorsed chair candidate and twenty twenty judge smith. This is the move for libertarians. So let me say this. I think that economics. There's an idea called. Opportunity cost and if the choice is between if the choices between sitting on facebook and trying to win. Facebook arguments or taking over the libertarian. Party i would say. Obviously taking over the libertarian party is more productive than doing effectively. Nothing to advance the cause of liberty. But if the choice is between taking over the libertarian party and winning elections to state legislators across the country actually capturing political power to to to institute actual liberty liberty liberty ideas into actual in actual law mostly by repealing laws and repealing government programs then. That's clearly the better outcome. What i see here is. The problem is the fate of the country is going to be decided in republican primaries. And if we're telling all liberty loving people to join a third party that would prevent them from running for office says republicans voting in republican primaries for those who can run as republicans then those who are trying to storm the cathedral over here just aren't going to be able to get the support they need. We're we're we're deluding. Deluding our power. And we're said essentially surrendering you know the to this major party again. Aoc's movement bernie sanders movement is having a future in having a moment because they are infiltrating and taking over one of the two major parties. If we we can we can say that you know. Now's the time for a third party. But the structure of the system is not built for a third party. The structure of the system is not built to ever down or to ever give up power if you haven't noticed. The structure of the system is designed to expand government. Power over and over again and to compare. Afc and bernie sanders. Yes it makes sense for them to use this strategy. What's the fabian. Is that the term. That i'm looking for the fabian strategy. Right of where instead of going for the communist revolution you go in and you try to incrementally right kind of like bring more and more socialism. Rothbart took this on a back in the day in the nineties. The problem with libertarians. Trying to implement the fabian solution is that or the fabian strategy. Is that your going against the grain rather than four the grant look. Afc and bernie sanders. Aren't really that much different than all the other progressives they're just a tad bit more progressive than them. They're just saying no government grab a little bit more power in a little bit more power. I mean bernie. Sanders is actually a socialist. That's he's not arguing for government control of the means of production. He's just arguing for a little bit more government and a little bit more government more than the last guy had by the way if bernie sanders had won the presidency. In two thousand eight. I doubt the government would even be that much bigger than it is today. And it's really hard to imagine anyone expanding the government more than barack obama and donald trump. Certainly over have certainly over this last year. Donald trump is the biggest government president of all time in all of human history. That's what happens. That's that's the nature of this system. Libertarians have to do something completely different. We we can't just try to get in there and hijack party and then a will cut the budget by this. And this and this. And i would say that. Look that what you're preaching like. This strategy has been tried for my entire life. There have been people who really believed in smaller government who have been trying to win through the republican party over and over and over again. This strategy that i'm proposing is at most two years old to two years ago mark when we had that podcast where we're all of us came on because all the liberty influencers were joining the libertarian party. In the post ron paul movement taking that energy putting it all into one party this is a brand new strategy in the internet age with people who get on the biggest shows in the world right now. This is a brand new strategy the strategy of trying to infiltrate the republican party and use it to shrink the size of government. This is what i've been hearing about since i was born and it was going on thirty years before i was born. We don't we're at. We are at a point where this this strategy is working better than it's ever before right. Now let's just look at a big something big. That happened that probably that win. Kind of unremarked on but happened in new hampshire. This this this past november in new hampshire so first of all democrats controlled the the the house and the senate and everyone was predicting that That democrats were in a gain seats Republicans took control of the house the house and the senate there but it was because of liberty republicans liberty republicans are now the majority of the majority in the state. Legislature new hampshire. Now part of that is the free state project moving a lotta people in and building a big enough coalition bringing bringing kind of the people resources there to make that possible. But this but this is but you know this is. This is a case where now the republican majority leader in. New hampshire is an outspoken ron. Paul republican and we're going to start to see some interesting things start to happen where we have actual principal ron paul libertarians. Holding actual real political power through the republican party. They have more influence in in in the decisions that are being made than the than the traditional gop establishment. Now in the state of new hampshire. That's what are what. That's that's what are our movement has been building towards as this strategy of of electing people through Through the place where the neocons guarding their gates. So well through the state legislatures is is is is building towards. I've gotta jump in here on this one trend that i'm kind of noticing between both of you and i think it's maybe a difference in how each of your viewing the role of politics here. Because you know david one thing you mentioned a bit ago was well. Libertarians aren't going to have the power anyway so it doesn't matter. I'm kind of wondering if that's part of almost why what you see is like an advantage of the libertarian. Party is that most people libertarian party. Either just kinda realize the position or they're not they don't have that sort of machiavelli insensitive. There's more of that freedom to actually be out there giving the bold message. There's so many people in their ear saying oh don't say this because you have this vote coming up or what have you. So there's maybe a little more freedom to really be out there. Giving the boldest message possible whereas eric you've really been focusing more on where it comes to the gop. Look we have this infrastructure. We're getting people in office. We're getting people in those positions of power and as i'm listening to this debate without really a necessarily having an opinion going in. I'm kind of seeing like the idea of what thing you mentioned eric to is. Now we're gonna lose a lot of to influence. Politics of the libertarians are not voting in. Gop primaries you actually have to be registered republican whereas libertarians. There some states that kinda primary but for the most part they don't really matter the stuff is determined convention. So i'm just wondering listening to all this here is if if you really need to make a decision if people out there need to decide one of the hour yeah and and i should point out that i am not necessarily against the rules are different state by state like there's open closed primaries but you can actually be like dues paying member of the libertarian party and registering your state of as a republican like if that was to support thomas massie iran paul or something like that. I wouldn't necessarily be against that. You know i m sure. Like yes. Absolutely i i would think that would be quite possibly a very good Thing to do. But i guess that. I'm hearing you say that. You know like all of these. Ron paul people are getting in at the local level and this is gonna make a really big difference down the road and look. I mean i. I believed in in the jesse benton delegates strategy in two thousand twelve. Remember your state was ours. We own did the ron. Paul show i was. I was actually one of those folks who was kicked out of the national convention as a delegate but well that's right all other january for another day but that's kind of my point then. The republicans changed the rules. The strategy got pushed back another decade. And then it's like okay. No now we gotta we gotta start mela the strategy that we that we were pulling off worked for trump for years later. But but here's the point. That's what i call not working. That's that's not working. It worked for trump. That's not working. That gave us the biggest government and human history with us locked in our homes so like the that strategy did not work well. Obviously trump is not a libertarian. And but i'm saying that that populist outrage was building and building and building sadly it got co opted by you. Know what ron paul had built that populist rage and fury got co opted by a guy who did not have the principles of ron. Paul maybe maybe. If ron paul had been younger and he had been able to run To to run for four years later. I don't necessarily accept the premise. That ron paul had been in that in that In their in two thousand. Sixteen that that It it's automatic that that trump would have beat him. I think that ron paul would done a lot better than rand. paul that i agree with. I certainly think he would have done a lot better than rand. Paul and i think that kind of proves my point that. I think that rand paul went with more of a machiavellian strategy of trying to work within the republican party and build up our within the republican party than just preaching an uncompromising message which is what ron paul dead at ron. Paul said things that he knew would get him out with the republican party. They offered him a primetime speaking role at the twenty twelve a republican national convention. If he would just toned down these three things and ron paul and classic heroic ron paul fashioned went. 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So it's It's it's We'll talk about more later but the So if i'm going to be here. And i think the law the lord god as come spoken to me in the form of broken down and we're going to take and do some extra attention here in in arizona and i wanted to anyway. We had a bunch of other stuff to do impract- and getting done going. Okay you know we gotta get the colorado go. Oh i'm going to have to stay in arizona pay 'cause they're starting to piss me off so there's a lot of rebellion going on here. We had a story on pretty phoenix guy that ran against Mick sally which is a us. Senator that lost to marquel which dasanayak and She was challenged in the primary by named daniel mccarthy. And he's a you know. Your typical typically is but he's certainly arrogant and he just man he's gonna get to have his say damn it and i got a bunch of militia around me. Going to. he's he's he's begging for trouble. I just kind of stopped before a always target him but what happened was at the republican state convention one of the candidates for party office or something Said yeah and you're on my nomination speech in who and an annual mccarthy so this guy gets up and Uses that opportunity to say his piece that has piece was you suck which is fine but He's been threatening to start a new pari. Andy's going to yeah. I encourage you to go ahead and elect this person chair. Do this do this. good just give. We're going to wait to clean with that. So of course it went into convulsions and there was a lot of people are cheering them on. You know they had their fill but when they went to they probably got yeah. I didn't follow it enough. I don't care that much. But i was interested in is the crowd that How many people were supported and support of him giving him a lot crap. Well at the end of it we had governor do see Let's see jeff flake which used to be. Us state senator. When trump went in. And i'm gone so he retired. He went off the new and never trumper guy. And there's something else going deep state datum. Those of whatever and some coke has got something to do with a lot of this stop to and every time i scratch service i can see. Their interests are energy oil you know. So that's what's going on there. So and then oh and cindy mccain sidney mccain. She's wife of john mccain which is really put them in office and keping. There was really her family. Her father owned a big alcohol. Distributorship budweiser franchise or some crap bat here in arizona and that was the money behind this and she got a deal. I we'll see listen. You know the rumor was is that she gets to be biden's ambassadors the united kingdom republican. John mccain's wife under a bite administration going to the crown. It just makes you go So you know. There's a lot of that stuff. And i'm just not i. I can't must as crazy as it gets as bad as it is as open as they are as exposed as it can be seen. I'm just i lose interest. I you know that's not where the solution is going to be. It's going to be general public opinion thing. And how can you do that. So while the love buses being is down being worked on. I we're still in it. Now we gotta find another place that was. That's but anyway so what we're gonna do is We're going to go ahead. And make sure arizona has a somebody's expressed an opinion here. And i'm looking forward to doing it because you know that's that's what we do but the it's it's been it's been interesting to see how the people react and it's The opposition is building building building. But i'm not sure how it's going to manifest even sure they do. It's just take you know. I'm always amazed at the rarity of a lot of people. That are friends that i find regular. I mean not common. I would think that they're not uncommon. But it's getting to be that way to where you have people there just uncommon. You don't have and of course you know it's hard to see outside of your circle of friends and stuff but you know as we talked to people as you activism as you're going around trying to inspire explain and so i there's something has happened. It was not like this. I'm old enough to remember was not like this and it was I give you an example. In the days when disney would promote make have on their. You know evening time channel of we're going to show it you know once a year of you know goes at johnny rabb or johnny rebel or something about a young thirteen year old. Fifteen something like that Character in the american revolution to have that kind of thing now and certainly you know the heritage and philosophy that the movie portrayed back then to have that now. You can't find it anywhere. You're hannah montana. You know you'll get. You'll turn into miley cyrus and how long my tongue is you know. But no not not. It was part of our culture. That was the way we thought it was. The american exceptionalism thing. The american experiment was in freedom can candy govern themselves. It's like Benjamin martin and patriots mel gibson. He goes you know candy. I think so should a day. Yeah you know. We'll say wow we'll see you and i'm this message of self responsibility and individual liberty been beaten out and it's amazing i i would imagine that it still exists. As much as it does and a lot of times you'll see in other places you know. They're in rebellion in the netherlands. They all darren rebellion lot of people in australia there in rebellion even parts of america. But it's been suppressed so much. It's not it's not rewarded it's punished. It's frowned upon us down. You're not with the program on the team. Is that true. i'm. I don't think. I have enough faith in humanity That who do. I support is there. Is there some you know team. Earning knows it. I got the droopy of state or something like that on humanity saw. 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Gmo humans. so we're going to become genetically modified organisms to what in now watching. You know some you. Tell me about this crisper technology. Christopher stands for something blobel blah blah acronyms. It means something but what it does. Is it able to cut your dna and insert some and they think that they're getting you know really good at it. We can do this and this and this. What they don't know is the impact. It has on a gazillion other combinations. And what this one does too something other function in the body and what impact. It has on law okay. We'll need to change this one and this one and this one this one this one discipline discipline and discipline and then this one. This one the album the sudden. I mean. you're already going to start having problems. i guarantee and i'm sure. He sure they know they are too. But it opens up a whole new world being being able to modify humans. Let's let's imagine that they already know. And that's why they're pushing it so hard. Why would they pushes so hard. Why do they want it deployed so fast. Why do they want. Show many people around the world to have their dna changed. I can't imagine this is like a plot line from distortion movie. No and i they tried to. You know i am starting to have some immediate side effects to the point that they're starting to abandon the trials and i'm i'm wondering what's that it's not a vaccine that it changes your genes and of course they're going to make a big deal out of how great wonderful it is. Oh yeah man. Is our new technology news. News tech new tech of new. We're going to go ahead. You take care of this for you. So we'll save that for the third hour dr mike. That's because i am like oh this is really this is really i. I'm not going to do it. This is c. i. It's hard to make. Excuse me bechtel. Rations that you're not going to live up to. i'm gonna. i'll never john never got of you. Yeah i think this is like i can do this one. I'm not taking those shots house. That's not going to happen and It'd have to be under duress major strappy down. Make you we're going to you know. Shoot the dog or something. all held. Take the dog. But i i'm my point there. I don't think there's any amount of income they're going to be able to impose on me and we're going to do made me live in a boss but it's gonna be able to fly. I never go to a movie again. Oh you can you know. So i'm i'm i'm good. You know i'm not and it's not even that i i certain- over a lifetime would have an impact on me. I'm fifty nine years old. But i kill me you but i'm not gonna somebody's got to set an example for your family. You know grandma and grandpa just gotta go now. We're no which is why they wanna get grandma and grandpa grandma did it. So i'm i'm we're going to know One of the other things. that's a popped. Up spacex is Starling download speed is one hundred megabytes. Second now all basic says it plans to increase starlings download speeds about a hundred times hen gigabytes can gigabytes now to give you a perspective one hundred megabytes per second up and down you to do man right on. I can do whatever the heck i want. I can upload show in liberty split. I can do. I mean now all of a sudden makes the internet something you can use that and If you an times that ten times that that's that's a gig. Wow man gig up and down. Which is what. I thought they were building up too. So you go. Ten times that you're a hundred times ten gigabytes a second. That's man that's what the heck holiday stuff. I'm wondering to what end i mean. It's going to make download and upload speeds freaking zoom when you have access to. The internet doesn't mean anything if you can't get it but maybe they can you know go down on your next thing. We're looking for changed the world wondering what would arab sell for one. 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Now this one you know before was You know get everybody all informed excited and educated on how to and now. It's going to be out of the way i i. I know it needs to be done now. I was hoping that they they got little little pockets. They're inspired a news. Stop but i'm talking. You know industrial military campaign of freaking signs. Well we got a bunch more supplies deliver so that you know trainings over. So we got the supplies and donna. Just pick them up last night and Okay here we go so today. I'm going to go out and spend some time getting one of our domes. Big twenty eight dome here at bob's that we used for a wind break and kind of they'll get wet and stuff. It's been raining. I mean is definitely when it's raining season some rains you know. And then they come to the floods. But we'll do is go ahead and set up stations like we did a couple of weekends ago out here and we'll have the station set up where we can do mass production one of the things that we did if you look at pictures and swan on love bus. Liberty tour dot com. You'll see now. We have the roles of the plastic that we use that. It doesn't rip. I mean you put us on nights to make a hole in it and it's woven you know never ripped sandbag stuff and what we do is we have already sprayed and make the logo the artwork on it and so on then we roll it up and we put like zip ties to it with all do and beforehand. Because you're out there in loan prairie trying to paint and we have the piece of tape with zip type zone zip ties on it. And it's a unit so you just have these cylinders you know you're walking around with and so these are the big ones. These are five feet wide by six eighteen wide and We just make bunch of units of those. Well we did that and people go put him up but you need a campaign you need where you put them up. They take down. You put them up take down you put them up so that means hundreds so. We're we have enough to do hundreds so we're gonna do hundreds and what will they say and the thing that i got is You know you know and donna. We're industrial house and people helping and so on but you know it gets down to where when you're not training somebody or helping them with their designs or your run around your group to group to group to group to group to them doing their stuff. You actually get to work on and a lot of times. The guys which young guy many get creative lou. I could use this color this color. This color and our pieces of art you know not gonna look pan. I may be up a day. it's going to be my garage forever. Okay well that's not really out there vienac so it's So we're gonna get down struggle plow stuff show. We can be contacted if you live here. You know who you are. L. it's You know it's it's going to be here. we go. holidays are over. It's time to get the work. We had election things done we got. They're coming down on. It didn't all of a sudden the mass just didn't go away. You know so Yeah we're going to have to really show what what and arizona's a good because there is seeds of rebellion. I can see a lot their nad. They're not playing but not to the point that they're just no we're opening back done we're done recall signatures in a day. Well this kind of what's going on california. Do some stupid i am. I am under dandy in these guys that do this kind of stuff. The the activist antiga the the the violent people on the streets that make their first to go by the people they help put in power. It's kind of the deal with the people ask. These people are now will. We took care of it. We got rid of them. Were you know me again as if you did the time so yeah and But where's the real activism seeds future food seed companies worn shortages delays so find them locally and a lot of people there is called a seed was a lending library. Kinda thing it was done we had the show. I should look these guys out. Yeah we should do this show again. Because there is in tucson arizona and it was a people that created a got a grant or permission or some kind of coordination with local community college library. And what they did is they accumulated seeds. They would describe them what they were. Put their genus. On an a scientific name whatever and They would bank them. And then you could go and check them out and you're supposed to go plant them and once you had seen plants you would replace them so you go. Okay why did this and you know. Here's here's my contribution and it would build up and they all of a sudden accumulated bunch of seizures. Just an idea of some guy where i'm going. Okay that's kind of cool and They the reason was they wanted to save indigenous arizona plants. How it started was there were a lot of crops. That aren't in use anymore. That the people that lived here native lived on different kinds of maize and corns and you know grains and so on that's indigenous here to the south west eight. Something i mean you know what did he. What did they grow. What did they thrive and survive on. Well that's what they were trying to save and the only way to do it was grow it. And they can't grow everything so he created this thing and people just start growing it to be able to produce the seeds for this kind of thing that was going to leave us and it's good occupation. Keep busy and something to do and community kind of thing anyway. Seeds heirloom seeds. I never even heard it. When i was a kid. You know cedar seeds. You know. I didn't even know there was more than one tomato plant you know. And as time goes on then you start. Hearing about heirloom or does air looming looked it up and give the. But basically they're they're not genetically modified seeds for people and their Got certain traits. Either it's taste or texture goes in a certain kind of dish or grandma and it for whatever or just in the variety. You don't have a crop totally go. Crap when you had movies like interstellar with matthew mcconaughey that the whole thing all the earth is against us man you all are wheat and corn crops are failing and and you know they didn't mom's mom nature's mad at us we gotta go to space and whatever and i'm going well. What did you think was going to happen when you have one strain at sooner or later and asked the whole point of diversity some targeted. You got other things to rely on. And it's not just different kinds of things. It's different in the things like corn wheat barley. It's like this going back cornerback on that disc that court. I mean it's just fifteen gazillion types who've lost this to industrialization of everything and you get to the point where the industrial zeeshan of farming an individual can't compete well. It doesn't matter because in the thirties. This is a famous case. Had a lot to do with the commerce clause in the constitution. there is a I remember my dad when we were driving arizona from florida. You know where we used to have. Until i was twelve. You know here on vacation every year. Take a couple of weeks here to visit my mother's family your mason and coming and you see all these crops you pass cornfields and everything. My dad said something about yeah. They pay not the plant. How come they don't use this awhile. There'd be paid not. why are they talking about eight. His eight paid an with total from the first letter of dr idris barber. I've healed many landlubbers have healed countless more. 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Mark in head of the you know the wisdom of rulers kind of thing and the government in general and whatever they say they got Wickford versus phil burn was nineteen forty two. It was a united states supreme court decision that dramatically increased regulatory power. The federal government. It's one of the most far-reaching cases concerning the new deal. This is fdr thing. I keep in mind. This is after it started of course before forty two so it was during the great depression. you know this is all been building up then of course we have war one and it just getting going and so this happened before world war one and it makes it to the supreme court by nine hundred forty two now. By that time you know after fdr and the new deal and the government's going to everything everything everything and you can kind of. Go yeah i can feel this coming year. Like was trump. hoover know. There was a time to where before the new deal is like. No at least we can send farmer seeds. The federal government come on man got the government we send him seeds. he goes no once. You do that it starts you know. And so it was a discussion even back then and the same the same thing and we can see the same. Thing's going to happen for the same reasons you know. It's it's meddling well. This is what happened what they wanted to do. Part of the new deal This set a precedent for reading the united states. Constitution's commerce clause you know for decades generations to come you know. The goal was to put an end to the entire federal crop support program by declaring it on constitutional. Now it was an ohio. Farmer again even roscoe filbert was going now record. I guess is some state government rep of something you know. The agricultural department of i rule you The ohio farmer phil byrne was growing wheat to feed animals on his own farm now. The united states government had established limits on wheat production. Now based on you know how many acres you had and and the reason was for wheat prices and supplies to be stabilized. It's like wage and price controls minimum wage stuff. I mean it's all part of the same thing and yeah wage and price can minimum wage stand. Where does that jurisdiction. Come in commerce. So larry where the hell they get that in mandate from anyway. I don't know they don't do this kind of stuff. I tell you what happened. you'll go. What the heck are you guys. Probably know in the freedom movement. This is not unknown people but just for refresher here. He grew more than he was permitted. All right and he was ordered to pay a penalty. God those what it was going to take and you know steal and whatever. You're not allowed something. He wasn't willing to do it but he's going to have a. I challenged the whole thing in response. He goes look. This weet is not sold. Your commerce clause jurisdiction. You say you got I i'm not selling it. It's not in commerce. I'm using it for my own animals on my own farm. The heck it's my land. It's my livestock. it's my wheat is my corn. it's my you suck it. No he said that because it was it was not sold. It could not be regulated. This commerce let alone interstate commerce describing the constitution as commerce among the several states because the federal government. One of the reasons that they did. This is is it was Weights and measures. You know it's like we're going to use the same ernst and we're going to use the same scales. Are we going to use the same yosef that we could. you know. help facilitate trade team. The states interstate commerce. Now if you're just doing it inside a jurisdiction or inside a state. That's intrastate interstate now. Interstate interstate highway or does between states so then they go all right. We'll we're going to regulate commerce between the states goes well. I'm not in commerce across the state line. So i i'm feeding my cows care so they disagreed. This is how they did it. Man this typical whether the subject of the is what they said whether the subject of the regulation in question was production consumption or marketing is there is therefore not material for purposes of the citing the question of federal power before us but even if a pal activity be local and though it may not be regarded as commerce it may still but ever nature be reached by congress at that exerts a substantial economica fact on interstate commerce and irrespective of whether such effects is not is what might at some earlier time had been defined as direct or indirect and. This is what they meant. They're saying because he didn't buy feed for his animals because he wasn't engaged in interstate commerce of wheat. He affected it because he grew his own. He was in effect affecting indirectly or directly the usage and control man on other wheat. What how was that ever getting out from under so this commerce clause expansion dang. I think it's still there. This is not been overturned. A case about a butcher a louisiana or something had something to say about this. I need a bone up on my history. But the supreme court interpreted the constitution's commerce clause in article one section of the khan constitution which permits the us congress to regulate commerce with foreign nations and among the several states and with the indian tribes. The court decided that phil burns wheat. Growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for animal feed on the open market which is traded nationally and Interstate and is therefore within the scope of the commerce clause because he didn't trade because he took care of his own didn't have to buy it impacted the market and therefore united states had control over his week production. This is the kind of thing that i'm looking at for. Crown may occupy my own land. And what kind of taxation they have on the land and you got property tax on the land and that this is once it went down this road once it was the new deal. Once you had the idea we get to regulate for everybody in every everything always then. You went down the dark side. This is not ever going to get any better. It's mental gymnastics of the constitution. You know juggled our the hell they want it to do. And we'll be chicken. Bones some you know jamaican boudou woman born to go to this. What we're gonna do and this is. Why so. I'm i'm i'm challenging. The whole which part you challenge. Is there a specific part constitution. They did that. They said we read it this way. Do you challenge the idea that you're outside of their jurisdiction. Because i'm i don't spell my name with capital letters on your fringe flag. Judge of whatever. I mean you know. Where do you go with this. It's an attitude. It's a mindset. It's what they because they can't do this stuff because they can. They sure as heck want to. Well what do you think is coming in the biden administration. Well just say the harrismith station. What do you think is coming in the harris administration. What do you think is coming in whether they come over somebody. Asian charge the funny the pointing the last night here. What took proper role of government justify rationalize a kids twelve looking at the plant here why on play warring more. Well then you'll make me on the free market to the protection of life liberty and properties with free state price about but it's it's an effort to move twenty thousand people who understand it's about demonstrating to the entire country. Yeah we can have a free market a truly free market making it just a great place to live. It's the world's largest. Fallen tourists libertarian community. And it's only getting bigger. That's amazing to be able to move to a plans for other people's like passionately believe in being free and independent. 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And we're gonna get learned fight on a bunch of stuff that's happening now. The stock market is just being stupid to the point that i guess somebody can make money at it or protect with got you know. I'm i'll stay over here. You know much more silver. Can i buy i. I'm cryptos going up and down and up generally up. I mean if you had some. I don't know if you're trying to play it. Now you'll get your butt kicked but you know when it gets down low see. I told you never going to work. I can't believe you guys even is when you buy it and you sit back and wait until this happens again. Hoddle hold on for dear life. You know that's where that came from. Hotta was somebody i know some Prominent individuals say hold. You know spelled h. o. So they got the dna l. Transverse today made a thing out of the hold on for dear life as what i came from and now it's kind of the mindset on it. Is that the same thing for stocks which stocks or are you counting on your 401k. Wow that's what tim show. It's going to help us with liberty adviser it's the liberty adviser dot com right. Somebody else already has liberty adviser. They're not really using it and Waiting for that to let expires. And so i am watching that closely. Maybe purchase that one but Yeah so it's the doll liberty adviser because took the other one so they astor's okay the well. The one thing we had johnson is in on yesterday. He deals a lot in europe and japan. Because you know. He pays attention to america europe. He's in canada. And so on and you guys got your own. Show that timon john. How did he become tim show. I mean coming out. John tim show you know who decided that well. Tim was doing most of the uploading and video editing. And other crap. So that's why. I was john show but now we've got another guy. That does a lot of that stuff for us now but But yet to your point the market right now is pretty much. Not pretty much. It's a complete rig casino. Where just so many unusual things i mean and i'm only mentioned needs stocks in case you is listening. Because they're in the news but you gotta things like live nation which is different astor and they're within earshot of an all time high and just recently was at an all time high off at a company that markets live events. I mean who's going to live events right now. They're at new these crazy because all time highs and then what going on with game stop for you know. This is okay. Tell me this game. Stop thing i've seen it in the news. I think we had a story yesterday. On premiums phoenix game. Stop in the squeeze. Short-squeeze keep hearing about short-squeezes on different stocks. And tesla this and that and so on short squeezed before we even get into the game. Stop thing explained to me. What the hell is short squeeze is so when you short a stock. I mean without getting like super technical. Basically you're betting against it. Betting prices going to go down. So you're taking somebody else's stock basically kind of borrowing it and then in order to close out your position so let's say bought a stock at one hundred dollars and you go down to fifty and then it goes down to fifty and if you want to cash out how you cash out is you. Don't have to buy that stock back. And then at that point you're closed down so in what the there is stable. Oh you lost me. Already hold on. I got one hundred dollars. I want you short a stock. And he's calls puts you know blah blah blah blah blah but then Short squeeze part understand. Yeah okay we'll explain it to me. You know i mean i. It's not a it's not selling is not buying a shorting a stock short squeeze something Man you're saying calls and put so put as it than it's similar talks with a finite amount that you can lose and that's how much you paid for the put were they short. Short stock losses are limited. Speak and that's why we'll get into that moment. But that's why you have a hedge fund right now it's blowing up because the losses to the downside our infinity you go bankrupt you could actually do than one hundred percents in shorting a stock if you're not protected directly by the put option if you paid five dollars for a put and it goes zero you lose your five dollar put option and that's the most you can lose so in short so in a short squeeze was going what basically what was going on with game stop is you have a prominent hedge fund that was betting against game stop and the amount of short the percentage that was short. The stock was like over. One hundred percent of the outstanding stock was sold shore which is almost never happened so it was something like something around the hundred and forty percents or something like. Hey how is that even possible. This is kind of what patrick burke going on about. Doctors are selling more stockton was in existence so it so you have one hundred forty percent of the stock of the down. What i plays over this stuff man. This is you got to explain this to me. Yeah so it's a it's a leverage plays so people are on margin and so you're able to. I mean effectively. There's more than one hundred dollars or money was dedicated to the stockpiling and then it was going up and what happened was. There's this reddit forum called wall street. Bats which. I actually never knew about until a couple of days ago. And there's two million people on this reddit forum and one of their darling stocks and a lot of people liked with game stop and then they found out that this one hedge fund guy was going against it at melvin capital and so basically these two million arm of day traders when the billionaire and then the billionaire got his ass kicked. And so you know like a month ago. The stock was at twenty actually probably a couple of weeks ago. The stock was up more details. And so somebody else came out with a research report saying they think it's no downed that guy got attacked and they came after him and so what so. What happens when in a short squeeze. Is that in order to close out your position. You have to buy the stock back so a lot of people that were short this stock. You know you start you start going from eighteen point thirty up to forty and you're getting your to you. And so in order to stop the losses you need to buy back stock but the buy back stock. Then you're creating more demand. Got these runners people the stock while you have the people that are getting squeezed out of their position. That's why it's sort squeezed. Because they need to. They need to buy back their position. And so if these people thought the stock was overvalued at eighteen it definitely tickets valued at one hundred. They definitely over valued at two hundred and actually when the craziness. When i came on air it was up ninety percent of now. It's of sixty eight percent today. Just right now is up. Sixty eight percent in just the last two hours and then and it's called a short squeeze because there's very little shares outstanding and then if you to close out your position you need to buy that back which creates more momentum and you've got old people all these traders who are buying into this at the same point that these hedge funds are going to have to close out of the position and this hedge fund was about to blow up and then they got a loan from another head spawns that had positions in that hedge fund and and then now that has been mean. It's a so such a crazy thing with having basically game stop is a company that sells game. They sell that. Has you know games for your. Ps whatever the hell you know so. It's just like back in the day. I think it was called electronic boutique so people might remember that. Be games i think they ended up merging banks also sell you and kind of like a record. I wanna understand. 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Call six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred now. Ernest hancock right. I'm trying to get an understanding. So i can simply explain it and it's not happening right. It's just like when you watch the big short movie of what happened. They call it credit default swaps. You know send us into oblivion and then they go well. We'll call it something else and do it again is just juggling all kinds of crap because we can wall street and titians and they can get away with it and separate you from your money but the short squeeze is like if i you know. Correct me if i'm wrong here. Town trying to simplify this for me. I have a stock. It's out there one hundred dollars. You know i go okay. I think it's gonna be fifty dollars. So i'm going to go ahead and short way that i'm going to borrow it from you and say and do i set an amount. I say fifty at fifty. Get to buy it back and then and they say okay fine. I mean you explain that to me. Do i set an amount. Where i think it's going to go down you. Could i mean at that point. Essentially what you're doing putting in a buyer's limit bides a hey. We want to buy when xyz stock hits fifty. So you're i used to play on the stock market. Go yeah when. I you do it on bit. Trek would crypto when it hits this. Let me know just by it you know. What good is that. The problem is it. Can problems go the opposite direction so instead of going to fifty dollars if you go to five hundred fifty dollars and then actually you know you're on and but the thing is if the thing is you can lose more than that but then eventually you can lose more than one hundred so i'm committing so you so your margin to and so eventually you're gonna a margin call 'cause you're not going to have enough you're not gonna have money in your town and so then you're because we have something up north that you put your money in this. You got to maintain to answer margin. It's so if something parabolic stupid game stop doing games twenty percent just since the break to give you an idea of how crazy that says. Just the last break is up twenty percent. And there's another stock doing the exact same thing right now Amc entertainment holdings is up two hundred twelve percent today this morning Because there was another one of these stocks. Have i think that that melvin capital also shorting so there so now this wall street wall street bats read crowd is literally trying to take down these billionaires and so it's africa quite awesome. It's almost like a robber. Take we've got these I mean someone's gonna walk away gonna walk away you know off this and if you buy a bunch of money off of it but It's the wall street. Crowd has the right idea that game stop. Probably now a great long term thing to be in well. It doesn't matter if you got two million people sitting here wanting to screw you. Want to screw ya. Yeah so that's not. I wouldn't really consider this investing. I mean this is at this point. Complete gambling and speculation. But they're doing now. You got people who are now. Actively researching companies have gigantic Short interest and then are fine does and then you know going on these forums and then hordes of other people by them with the intent to be squeeze out these billionaires and caused a lot of paying for them. I'm not sure any tears for billionaire hedge fund new york city guys the money because what they could have done is they could have. Also these guys could have bought call options to help protect their position in casing. It was could have hoped they do the same thing. They're wales going around spreading their money going. It's gonna go up. Because i bought a bunch is going to go down because i sold a bunch. I mean you've been doing this forever. You know without competition is the big banks doing the same thing l. Small market cap like crypto. And they'll just you know. I tell by on the market all the hell and back and forth began. You know so i i i i mean what you think. It was going to happen sooner or later. You know the stuff happens. So i can see where but it seems like it's almost Well it's just making money. They're doing it because they can. They probably like robin hood was some kittens. Grandma's basement could trade without a whole bunch of regulation. Doing the and i was kind of the problem there but it was. It was have crowd power. They're just doing it because they can. They're coordinated on a read it or their coordinate. And because i do they really think the company like amc's is going to start making a whole bunch of money on movie tickets wearing a mask. I mean i. that's not the point. It's because they can. But i need understand the mechanism for it so somebody comes in and they see that. There's a bunch of shorts on a product and tells was good point for this because they were looking at not. The future didn't have this steve jobs. Were we love us. Some you know apple or it's us. We love us some investment in the future we got a cause and onward. So what they were doing is the other side's not your financial sock. You're they were beating into the ground and the media they get jim cramer up there to go over sales you know whatever the heck they gotta do the median hammer it and then you've got the fan boys going no keep doing that. We're just gonna keep buying it we're gonna keep buying we're going to keep buying it. Oh we made a bunch of money off you. You lost money haha screws you. What's the fundamentals a lot of times. It doesn't matter. They were investing in a future. They're investing in or they're just a screw. Ya doubt. Is i understand that part. You know and the billionaires are coming up against crowdfunding of people. It's called the internet and suck to be. Then they'll bill law. You're not allowed to do this anymore. Are billionaires got screwed and they can't give us an campaign contributions so we're going to change something but what i don't understand is i need to understand how the market works. If i'm a rich guy. And i am in and i'm going to sell. I think it's going to go short. Then i go in. And i register with somebody. I'm going to somebody and say okay. I'm gonna. I'm gonna take this number of stock and i'm going to say that these hundred dollar shares are going to go to fifty so i wanna buy you know they know ten shares thousand dollars and i give this hundred dollars stock thousand dollars. It's going to go and i borrow that from. I guess somebody sell it to me. And how long do i get to borrow it. I mean forever. No or limited time. He gave back ups well. How does that get margin call and go bankrupt now there you're talking about. They're doing it on margin now. They're not even putting up. You know any money. They're putting up a little bit or you have to have a certain percentage depending on the brokerage. Let's say like thirty to fifty percents that you probably have to keep going there and so you can hypothetically lose more than one hundred percent in this type of arrangement and so So these guys had melvin capital had other than some of those other hedge funds had to go extending alone to basically help protect their own butts. And then i mean things are getting so wild right now the oh got moorhead funded on. Bail them out. We'll bring the government in. It's all good man. everybody bye bye bye bye. We're gonna screw up because we get so much activity this there's so much this. I'm reading a report now and zero heads. Each rate is down robin hood down. Td ameritrade having problems. Charles schwab is having problems read. It's having problems to doughty's having problems now. Financial having problems vanguards having problems. Td bank is having problems. 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It's yeah i don't really know what's going on and maybe overloaded scaling issue that a lot of times they don't really have you know. Get some sort of tax hundred expand with bitcoin. Scaling type problem. I don't know they have a thing called down detector know it's like i guess it's i guess it happens enough when you don't want it to happen. They got a detector. You know so Reports that robin hood ameritrade e trade charles schwab fidelity are experiencing issues or outages as a us cash session began around nine thirty eastern time so us cash session was. Would you say you asked what cash session began. Outages as you cash session probably means i'm guessing market guy use special words. I just went down detector dot com to. I've never been there before. So you see all the different companies that are down right now big problems. They're having really so even even come. Eighty fifth yeah. There have been here before. But i remember. There was a movie of his Broken arrow it was john travolta and Ethan hawke or something down there they they were. You know transporting nuclear device on a plane and then one travolta guy tries to steal it and it's ouch quit and so on so they call it a broken arrow you when you lose a nuke broken arrow man they get serious about that and i remember one of the characters from the administration is out. You know valuating the situation see what's up and he goes. I don't know what scares me more that we lost it or happens enough that we got a name for it. And that's what i'm looking at down detector. I don't know what you know. More worrisome that you have trading go down when people want to trade or they got a site for it. You know what i mean. So it's it's like when thinking about cryptos internet's up it. It works maybe not an exchange but if you're exchanging between people but what happens when the exchange goes down. That's what you're talking about third party intervention shannon your money you just gavin now. So it's always an this happened with bitcoin when it shot up before you lose a gazillion dollars one transaction fee and to just delay the happening. So i'm is there any. I guess you're always using one of these brokerage houses houses to be able to make a trade right now. I mean. I know that they have the technologies used. Something like teaser. When i heard patrick talk about this you know it's technically feasible to have like an apple stock being represented by a token and in the future like atomic swab or you can treat bitcoin for apple or or i could trade my apple your tesla just as a two examples thing from a regulatory. Kyc the government needs to know every single thing. You're doing standpoint. We'll never be allowed because you've got these big banks and brokerages who make dollars off of putting themselves in the middle of all this stuff in the name of You know convenience name we care about you. Terrorists patriot act type stuff and so from a regulatory standpoint. It can't be done but from a practical from a technological standpoint seemed very well could also be a sign up. Everything could this. What's happening right now. Be a fundamental changes in the way the market works the all the websites going down this season which is going to be kazillion to people. Hey man. I couldn't trade. When i wanted to you saying the great american capitalist system of it was closed and or i can't believe overcame or they did this that and kind of a trade in a three day waiting or the leader of the settlement of something. You know there. This is all the stuff that t zero. patrick burnt. What patrick byrne had he experienced matt more of his stock was being traded than existed. And there you'll do in this short thing make money off his company. Run it in the ground. They didn't like them of whatever. So this is when we started having patrick on back in. Oh nine ten. You know. I patrick byrne and i weren't you know about philosophy. You know in the beginning so much as we were about what happened is company financial system work when blockchain technology came around. He understood that a lot of the problems that was happening with the this is pig's breakfast. He called it. You know there. Everybody was just bleeding. It matter who won or lost it was all the houses and the brokers and all them got glean gleaning of everything that was trade. So he's going. The whole system is just got this bleed goes to everybody. That doesn't actually producer. Do anything this sucks. And it's because of this delay the settlement. You buy it. It'll be a day. A two thirds were never actually settled physically own. so he's going blockchain technology created on nasdaq and he actually is using it to trade. I think overstocks on it. And it's called t zero where zero time from the actual trade to the settlement t transaction zero time. So i'm i. I'm seeing this happen. I'm going how is that. Not a solution. See my point. Yeah no and i was very supportive. Everything patch was doing our land and still what he's doing in the other government takes up too but yeah absolutely But knows a lot of money to be made in the middle for yourself in the middle of all this stuff or have no one day to settle. There's money to be made. And so pat burke going up against his legacy type system and and things weren't ready to hear talk martha of a lot of these different topics. You know. i think the more to focus on that everything is going to be going digital. They're going to have a digital fed. Coin that you've been talking about longer than probably anybody her. And i think we're at the precipice where it's happening right now. So we don't honored. Mr andrews focused on that and we have you know one of the new. Sec guy is a gary gentler which was a goldman sachs guy that i think. Was you know in church. He would have been the guy that would have gotten jon. Corzine in trouble with jon. Corzine was his former. Ceo goldman sachs so. He was so against. You see he didn't do anything to him and then he's also teaching like blockchain classes i think. Mit got an sec guy. That's pro bitcoin than you are. Also have a. I think the new office comptroller currency currently. It's a coin based guy former legal adviser. Then now i think they wanna put in a ripple ward member so i mean maybe i'm not a fan of ripple with maybe maybe could be positive news for who knows not not touching it but it's that they're going to tie to the vaccine rollout. I mean all this stuff is happening. You see you know pacing back anisim there. You're talking about having the vaccine to fly now. I mean i mean. I knew it was coming which is one of the reasons why was looking into getting an rv because my family lives in new york. So you know it's an extended to hotels so we're all going to be second class citizens aren't able to fly or not able to go to hotel and try to make life inconvenient but still not wanna mask it almost seven months now not even once. So it's you someone having a pretty good so but it's not super fun which i didn't have to do this but i i've seen some people persisting like store. Their day we saw twelve people. Walk around safely without a mask now. 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Nfl on the decentralized mastodon social media platform at two dot n. dot fm to dot l. dot. it's time for declare your independence with ernest. Handcock temperature's deliberately adviser dot com about a lot of you know these things that are happening in and around the stock market. Know that you say it. I i go on zero hedge or you know any of the other sites that you look at all man. It's all the talk. Oh this short squeeze staying kicking ass on whatever and the only time i ever heard this really you hear it kinda background. But it was with tesla tesla they were. They were doing everything they could to drive that into the ground because they thought they could could make a bunch of money. And i guess they had well they haven't made any profit and whether you did see amazon amazon to make profit for perkin decade or more so it just kept hammer hammer hammer and got the boys or other people or investors they keep buying and go we like it when you kind of drive it down. It makes it cheaper for us and then they buy more and they get overwhelmed and people go bankrupt and they get the crap out of them and a lot of people did on has also because they're up against an opinion or a mood and that's where you see people like the elliott wave elliott was a organic full. You can see repeating patterns in nature and organics everywhere and he goes and practice. I have on regular basis. He call it metals the only going up and down and different things he said. Stock market is human beings interacting with a number it demonstrated make it easy. Because it's a number. I got a number out here represents what about the fraud. What about the coercion. What about the government. Where about the intervention. What did i go. that's all part. Of course it's always nature voids interventions from out of the work or whatever but there's a general mood bingo and i'm well a lot of that is in using social media. Well all of a sudden temperature's like you know we're not playing anymore well tell the people about what you've done and how that's influenced or impacted your advice on economics. What i've done for a money. Management client standpoint of what i've done from both i i wanna know you know you d platforms yourself or don't want don't do and then how not having that influence you now. How it's impacted your life. I mean so it's both he'll start off with what sites you've abandoned or something impacted my advice any but it has a lot more time a lot more head space and effectively. I got on facebook in two thousand and four. You know probably before just about anybody and was a daily user. Wasting my time there. You know from age of eighteen to all the way to now. So it's you know it feels free to get off you know if you're not talking to anybody and you're you know the first two months i created like a fan page thirty two thousand people following it and you're telling me hey emails and you know i was only two months into it and fighting what i thought was trying to keep by hillary out of there. And then you know november sixteenth two twenty sixteen hours completely shadow banned and effectively cut off my ability to reach anybody so at this point we know we pay our attention and what you want what you are. Focusing on our data is worth something and people that hate us owner trying to brigham communism and to the worldwide. Are making money off of me while suppressing me and so i don't wanna play that game and i see other libertarians. You're like we need to lobby facebook to get back on there. And i saw you know there are some prominent get recently reinstated. And they're like. Hey we're back on. Facebook what am i. What is the point of being a liberal even like groups on facebook. I'm like we can't even get off of hissing week. But if you know the more hardcore week and really the platform or addicted to it then then who else is going to. So i was planning on getting off before the end of the year their super busy and i wanted to make sort of a like a you know have some sort of spectacle of it and so i waited until the chinese agents. Joe biden got in there and at that point like a two hour livestream rant which you can find that they'll liberty adviser show dot com or if you just go to liberty advisor of there's a media section so now i've got my own website where i've i've videos are linked on like a private server type deal got him back up on my own serve bird. You can go directly to the website and you're not watching a youtube video or not watching any the trap which you still can. I haven't been kicked off of there yet. But most i mean for the last few years just like yourself just got audience members of an told people to shoot. And you know okay. Great about three hundred people over there have been told librarian. Probably three hundred people over there been telling people to do things but nobody. Necessity is the mother of all invention. And now josh. It's kicking butt big time of hits. You like every video. He does now bitch. You is getting like fifteen thousand views on bitch you. So he's got like sixteen was I think subscribers in any gets like fifteen sixteen thousand for every video now and that's rapidly increasing so we're actually bigger role attorney media now is actually bigger on getting more views on bishou down. We were in the waning days of youtube because of all the censorship that was going on. So i mean it's actually you know it doesn't kill you makes you stronger site. He's still you know all things you know. Been pitching out him about recently as yesterday so but in terms of the advice mean. It's not you know not wasting time on all that bs anymore and actually just read this speaking of time. I just saw this right now. We're talking about to mask during the break. There's actually on infowars right now. There's an article through cnbc. A video saying the efficacy of wearing three masks. Now is the new so the to mask was only around for like a week or something. Now there's alliterate playing with this man it just playing you know this is. It reminds me there was a saturday. Night live skit. That was was an old one had eighty eighties or something. I remember i was a kid or young. And it was Multi-track razors single blade. Raisers then went to two then. It went to three and they came out and they go five razor blades and they were making fun of it. You know that. Oh it's now they got five got the mock follows my five blade razor whatever man you know. It's just a fact that they of course they are whatever so. This is what it reminds me of her saturday night. Live and you're going to have this fricken. Forty seven mask thing that they're often through. You know if they were saturday. Night live liked used to be. But so you're when you went off facebook any immediate impact on your anything other than got more time. I mean it's been six days. We're still out there. But i've been posting a little bit on float but not like crazy Posting too much in there. Anyway but yeah. I'm usually you know making one post today on float. Ap which is erin kingsley adverts platform or they're rock and roll over there and i mean there's you know it's a little bit slow because they've had massive amounts of traffic increased like gets you had massive amount of traffic increased libraries all these all turn it platforms have been massively expanding. And then he gets something like parlor which. I'm sure you've touched on a bunch where it's like. Yeah the family that owned cambridge analytic. I miss out your data They're the ones who own part of parlor and then by way keep it on. Aws and you have to get a driver's license in order to be a blue mark. And so yeah. I almost feel. I don't feel for anyone that was dumb enough driver's license to power. I mean i think you almost deserved to be hacked at that point. You're like oh yeah new. Free speech platform you do is give up your driver's license front and back to the example there was Patrick byrne was on dave rubin and they met and kind of liked each other so patrick invested as help pimp locals dot com as local witthaus locals dot com and it's kind of a multi platform for content providers. And whatever so go check it out you. You'll be one of the things in the because i'm limited in what i wanna play. We were working on float donald float. And we're still looking for from shoot is not content provider friendly. I mean to load up a video. I'm doing three day. Three hours a day get caught up. I mean it takes so long to process. But i'm like you'll youtube got it on that. They they see they went for the content. And you wanna put it up move. We we rock and roll. Well loopholes read it the service and it's all this copyright and somebody and doing strike wing you down no get over it. I'm just going for the same. It's going to be hollis for starting off with the policy. Disorder s hello deputy outside backlash by logging view. Thousands of fraction was so dry happier more. We have some good news. The indictments against raw celebrate in the district of maryland were dismissed with prejudice meaning. They can never be refiled. This is especially good. Because those indictments contain the only charge ever made that ross engaged murder-for-hire this was a serious allegation at rolls. Outbreak denies it was never prosecuted or ruled on by a jury but was trumpeted by the federal government. And the media. As if it were proven fact. 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Mike president joe biden is releasing a slew of executive orders aimed at curbing pollution conserving natural lands and addressing environmental justice among the orders establish establish a new office of climate change at the us department of health and human services to address the overlap between global warming and public health as well as forming a new national climate task force susanne tuttle of north carolina. Interfaith power and light says the actions are welcome and convey the urgency of the climate crisis that many people face especially those in coastal communities binded administration taking important action to protect the health of our communities the public lands oceans and waters. We enjoy the wildlife that we treasure and the future of our climate. She says research shows investing in clean. Energy will help create good jobs and spur. long-term economic growth she also notes the administration's actions are in step with governor roy. Cooper's statewide clean energy plan which calls for a forty percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty. I'm nadia ramleh. Gone and who douse. Ski is a pediatrician. In madison wisconsin and says health professionals are taking notice. Giving the connection between climate change and human health. Can't measure something in the child up. You know as a result of climate change. This happened however as we look at those automatic factors and influences on disease. We know that some of those factors. Thank you more likely. One example health experts say ground level ozone from air pollution adversely affects people with asthma and other respiratory issues. Meantime mary take off. Reports of measure in the washington state legislature would make justice for all communities the bedrock of environmental policies in the state the healthy environment for all or he lacked would incorporate environmental justice for communities of color and frontline communities into law gear morales with the group front and center which is leading the effort. On the he'll act. He says the bill would guide the state as it. Confronts climate change the communities who have been most impacted by pollution are going to be at the forefront of the decision making process and helping ensure that investments go to the communities who are most impacted. And so that's where we needed this piece of legislation. In order to put that into washington state statute the federal government has a definition for the term environmental justice but supporters of the. He'll act want to see washington state. Go further the bill had a public hearing last week. Environmental justice groups. They're still waiting on a final draft of the bill which is not senate fifty one forty one. This is p. ns the government is working to buy two hundred million more doses of covid nineteen vaccines and as the pandemic reinforces the value of caregivers. Hoops and virginia are urging lawmakers there to pass a trio bills. They're calling the domestic worker's bill of rights they'd help more than sixty thousand nancy's cleaners and home care. Workers gained worker protections ingrid vodka undocumented housekeeper from bolivia says this kind of support is especially important during the pandemic as she and her colleagues have lost clients over concerns about spreading the virus and last fall. She and her two children contracted covid nineteen. Lucas says she and others desperately needs support like paid time off and unemployment insurance because with any possessions. And also you know you have to eat. We have to read. Senate bill one. Three one zero would add domestic workers to all virginia's existing worker protection laws. I'm diane bernard president biden last week signed executive orders ending the travel ban for muslims. Preserving the daca program and creating an ear pathway to citizenship this week a new way ford act was introduced to the house to reverse immigration laws related to mandatory detention says. His skull is with a group individual individuals c. l. e. at big fear. Is that now. That biden is an office and the democrats are in the majority. Folks are going to start to pay a little bit less attention and that is the aquit. Also ban for profit immigration detention centers and completed oster habitat galveston bay promotes conservation. While still recognizing the importance of commercial oyster harvesting to the region's economy or williams is with the nature conservancy oyster race that we constructed and galveston bay as using a model in which we restore the reef and part of it. A sanctuary style and the other part of it is able to be commercially. Harvested finally health disparities in the us or getting more attention between the pandemic last year. Social justice programs might mona reports in iowa. Certain barriers are being addressed including mistrust of health agencies and providers state health officials. Say i were mirrored national data for people of color experiencing negative health outcomes. They note the state's black population has the highest rate of mortality. Almost every cause of death not including suicide isaiah knocks with urban dreams. Statewide nonprofit that helps reduce racial barriers. I think the biggest thing is that too many times organizations hospitals. 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We're you know we're we're doing now we're gonna do great caught up a lot of stuff. That's going on a lot of things happening and Dr judy mike. Vince is a friend of the show. And we've been talking to her for a long time getting an understanding of what was coming and now it's kind of like a What's here so we're we're definitely into. Its and we're here. So i wanted to make sure that she's getting us accurate. So that we can make our own case. And you're going up against someone certainly in a public forum. They're they're armed with some bullet points and some buddy. Some pharmaceutical companies sent them some three by five cards in the mail. And kind of this is what you say and how you shut up dad and i will Mugabe right into it now. Last week last conversation that we had was right after she had done. The union of the unwanted. Excuse me you know the unwanted which is a Internet influencer group of dozens of guys. That been deep platform. T whatever don't like it or know that their soon to be gone have come together and just share solutions and different things in topics and guests and so on and once they hit by archive. Damn i wanna talk to this guy this guy this guy this guy this this woman this this kid ernie absolutely and that's why we did it when we first started doing radio back in. Oh three we put their whole by like we do now in the archive for dr judy. You'll see oliver sites a lot of her material. What's current then bio contact information. 'cause she that's why she was here as the spread. The word well you know back in the day it was you'll some activist and selected media outlets ourselves. That knew this was coming. Now it's like come brecon thankful. She'll even remembers my name as you know she. I know judy now. One of the things when you were at. We didn't talk about this. But you are at a conference or giving a presentation or something when i texted you last weekend or we can before we were making a bunch of signs and i wanted to make sure that this decide we kinda crafted it amongst the activists here we were making the stencils and i know what they wanted to stay so what it said was small. Capital are in a which temperature just told us that moderna stock ticker is immoral a. I want all of course it is okay so we had a small m capital are in a shots because it's not a vaccine amorin shots equal gmo humans. And i'm thinking i'm gonna make a big sign of that and do a whole bunch of times of it you know how. How accurate is that. What are you. What do you think when you hear that. So i m are a shots equal. Gmo humans. dr judy. What are you to turn on your microphone. Oh yeah i got to readmit. Her eye doctor judy back the other. You're there go there. You do the intro four yet and everything and then. I asked the question when we did. We asked you when you're at that conference on one of the signs that when the activists wanted to do and be made you Tim was saying that emaar in as a stock ticker for moderna. I'm gonna well. Isn't that if we had a sign that said in our a small capital are in a shots. Because it's not a vaccine eagles. Gmo humans what kind of impact is how. How accurate statement. Well it is. It is accurate because the shot is actually. The drug is actually Gene therapy so it actually is the way we used to make gene therapy. Vectors is. it's not it's not a from a virus. Synthetic messenger are in a literally. Is changing your cells in to You know it's a production factories little factories For the toxic parts of three virus families the virus family the hiv virus family and the gamut survivors families. So it's a it's a deadly weapon of each gene therapy and it changes your body forever will never know through the generations. The damage that is done to the millions of. They're already thought now. The one of the things that was concerned a lot of people was to realty. And that's been a common theme of all these inoculation efforts throughout africa and a lot developing countries. And so on you know. It's always been population control. And they're making too many babies. We gotta gotta gotta gotta and then. It comes out to all of these. Big giant campaigns have had sterilization of tax on tire countries. Is that in old. Been in the research on these vaccines because that's already starting to be a concern right well. Nothing's been done on these vaccines. No research has been done in this. This is a big get away with. The gardasil vaccine is is similar in using the virus like particles which are the lipid nanoparticles which Go into every cell and in this particular gene therapy you know. Sterilization will be a major issue because of the expression. Of the gamma retrovirus envelope. Known is since it would. Tension ciccio are the fusion of the cells. And that's one of our endogenous. We have just the envelope of that of that. That's the gamma retrovirus family. And it's necessarily to implant it's necessary to implant the fetus into the uterus and infuse it and so without sensitive ear injecting us in synthetic sin in in into every cell of your by. You're going to have auto immune reactions therefore it will sterilize you because you will attack yourself and no longer as that key protein sitton which is which is the only way mammals implant uterus. That's the mechanism in your david. Just been researched. It's a suspected it's feared it's been shown what oh it's not. It's it's proven decades. We know the law. No i mean that there is going to cause this problem. Well yes because you're expressing the protein of sensitive from another animal or from another being or synthetic so you'll make an autoimmune meeting. You'll attack that because your body's going to see this as non self because it's not your own protein even when you put the this is some of the problem with having all the aborted fetal tissue those two or four satellites in the vaccines because somebody else's since it in from another person from a human doesn't matter whether it's animal human fly lizard you know when your immune system sees a protein that is not sell it attacks that's the definition of auto immunity then and so the autumn unity's been twisted that they get somehow your own defect that comes out of nowhere. No it's been acquired immune dysfunction or deficiency. It's an aids disease because the primary job of our immune system is determined cell from nonsense so with jeff non-self and proteins synthetic mouth of heard. How fuel attack help that will fill where we come back. We'll talk to talk about backed up. 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Accuracy in zero americans are threat. I'm all for it. Funny papillon's yes. Ocean spray candy out of its chest a few minutes before it starts shooting. Everything is the onion news network. This is the liberty radio network broadcasting the latest liberty oriented audio content. Twenty four hours a day at l. r. n. dot. Fm to be a part of the show call six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred six zero two two six four twenty eight hundred and now ernest hancock. Doctor judy mike. You left the last segment with the question. I'm wondering when we're going to have Stats you know manifestation of the fears that we have as a you know older guy. I guess you never felt old but fifty nine years old we were. We make babies back in eighties and our kids are in their thirties. Now and at the time we were tile of course we didn't get a bunch of shots and everything but you know our peers. Have problems know. we're at church. And they're just you know they're talking about hilda. Nurseries are filling up as much as they used to have problems. And i'm wondering if the vaccine gadgil started have something to do with that and then we start hearing about that and we're starting to hear about these vaccines with their synthetic hormones. Whatever the heck is going in there is going to cause. Some problems are expression of proteins that they aren a shots and a vaccine. That's another thing i to get from dr judy if they're not vaccines vaccine liability protection. But let's talk about that. Then this get into winter. Are we going to start seeing symptoms manifest or the shots himselves. You get the blame or how lincoln to where we're starting to having infertility problems or autoimmune problems. I mean the same staff who've been trying to amplify what's going on and we have evidence for right now. Which is you know why we have twelve hundred fourteen. Understate those study. You're is all bunch of mouth. They're showing that. These things are problems so they're going to be problems. When are we going to see the stats. And also if it's not a vaccine. Are they getting protection for limited liability or no liability for vaccine so start with either one of those and and the nassar the other one also. Well well it's it's It's disheartening but it's easy to answer the first one about the stats because of the censorship which we we tweet experience the last for me personally. It's been a decade for you. It's been forever because of this censorship. you know. We're not going to see this tax. So i think you we're not going to see the true numbers. I think you might remember a slide. I presented a vaccine education summit september twenty eighth of what now two thousand eight hundred and two years ago there in phoenix and that that slide talked about vaccine court it. It was a publication from the new york times. I believe around june seventeenth of of that era of two thousand and eighteen when when these advocacy groups were starting to show all the injuries. And you were having the summit's inch and people were waking up to. Hey these things aren't safe as sugar. Water there there us and they've never been tested. And so i you know it at that time in that article of the advisory committee on any musician practices and the vaccine court than that national vaccine injury compensation program when the new york times published is vaccines are only one in a million injury and though we are seeing four five ten percent serious adverse events on this there is co par of few weeks ago when they just started rolling these things through the parking lot. Oh that's really sterile. We're starting to cpt. Many many people drop like fall. We know hank. Aaron died two weeks after the vaccine and he was in perfect shape and and so and that was. Oh well you know. There's very king no so all these people are in line getting the vaccines in their. They're dropping dead in a norwegian it region nursing home. You know more than thirty deaths. The third of the people giving the shots died. You know within a few weeks if not immediately so but all of that right now has been covered up. They're going to make this one in a million that's why they're saying. Oh we've already injected millions. Oh we've already inoculated millions and therefore this is their way of been my thing the deaths and the injury. Oh is it's it's the greater good you know we've heard that we see that we've lived that and they're just they're just reinventing the wheel and as for as for the legality of any of this stuff you know. This is why. I sent to donna this morning or last night whenever a senate Dr david newton in. It's a short clip of about twenty seven minutes. Where he goes in this is his expertise. Shows that moderna was a gene therapy company was it was a chemotherapy drug company and then they changed themselves into they just transform themselves in. We saw it. I saw in my career. All you had to do was call your toxic drug of vaccine and then all liability was removed. And so this is why. Dr martin myself people around the world or say the is not obscene. Stop calling it a vaccine. It does not produce any kind of immunity. It makes you sick. We're seeing that everybody's getting flu symptoms coughing dropping falling out very very sick in bed for a week. You know these kinds of things. But you're not fearing these adverse events in you won't hear these adverse events and less now the freedom movement now the health freedom movement so last week on the high wire dot com. Del big tree show last week. The high wire dot com objects on a link to that But at the very end of the show he said okay. We're gonna do it ourselves. We're going to write us. If you had any kind of adverse fan write us we'll get it to our lawyers. They several of the of the attorneys. There remember aaron. Siri was actually at the vaccine education summit. So you know we we. The community anticipated this. And this is the most important message you so much. Got a headache. A sniffle or worried bed you know from that vaccine call them and they will record the accurate adverse events because the bears the vaccine adverse event reporting system known as there's an records less than one percent of the true injuries of vaccines because of the play of russian because of the censorship because the news feed year spinning out there. Oh it's only one person. No hank aaron was eighty natural causes if you saw that man on that tape. No that wasn't natural causes and we fought these and we publish these in our book by the corruption. We doctor said he had done several cases of the flu shot causing similar things and we knew this was where eighty eighty seven year. 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I was just telling her about the soccer tournament. We went to this weekend to wear mandy sent home every piece of paper tech email. You got a nascar. You're all going to die and be shot on sight and all this kind of stuff in the parking lot. Four by eight or plas signs of you gotta you gotta you got it or you're gonna lose your five bucks no refund. We'll go kick out shoot you and i'm just like wow so of course we're like billy joel. People that you know Were visible. I guess anyway so they just didn't. Nobody said anything and it was just. I mean it's a joke. Everybody is always kind of got wrapped around their chen or something. It's just it's just a. It's just where you're star david and nazi germany thing. Ill i complied. And you didn't comply you. Don't have your star on. So i i see this coming in as building up and it's going to be more and more inconvenience and now days ago. I saw her. New vogue is double mass. And then tim saying he just saw triple masks going. And we got dr judy. Writing books about no mass. So if you're complaining about even wearing one mass and the health impact it has on you. What do you think about two or three dr judy. I can't even believe it. I mean. I can't even believe that anyone that anyone and i just have to say. How stupid can you really be. I mean can you. Can you really look around you the last six months you know. It's not just my are books that went over all the date of the last fifty years or the facts. There wasn't a single study anywhere at the history of mass to show to show in any way that this prevents or anything other than exacerbate make worse. Viral diseases make worse the transmission. Make you sick. All the data says exactly the opposite and and yet and yet it's like. Oh well it didn't work folks because everybody's still getting sick. Oh it did work folks. let's just wear too you know. Are we really that dumb. Are we really. I mean i see these people an and they've got the they got the most toxic what they've got that blue paper masks sprayed with heff lawn and toxic pesticide. Come straight from china folks. They're not trying to help us. And then they put. The cloth went over it so the cloud was even worse. 'cause the cotton from china l. These places loaded with life essay. Which just taking down your your glutathione in your mouth. And they put the shield up there you go. Let's just put this shield. Run your face. I mean you'll just simply kill yourself. And and i guess that will help us. All will been urged of the people who You know just. Don't have a clue if your that afraid if you can't comprehend that for all of man's existence on this planet never has a mask done anything to stop infection most infection which it all infections with are still self limiting and all you need to do a healthy immune system put us on this planet with every other organism and immune system to determine cell from non-self. So why would you simply sit there and suffocate yourself. I mean it's horrible because kids on a soccer field. I mean the data are clearly out there. Oh my god please. Don't kill your kids. I think they should start saying murder. I think they should start holding parents liable if their when their kids get sick and every time they run on that soccer field with their with that mask they are doing permanent lung injury. Permanent jesuit decor. They allowed them. They did say originally beginning of the year that they wanted the kids wearing masks on the field that that just so they kind of put that. Okay okay okay okay. We're not because down just stupid you know and so they if you're on the field i guess You know they're not gonna get the virus newsday from you but you know it's just when we went into break. I don't know if i said this on the air to the people we had stories and so on and it kinda brought this thing. I saw him. It was about when hank. Aaron died and it goes remember before the vaccine everybody for any reason died of covid. Now since the vaccine you die of anything butko vid you know. It's like no no no it was. Was you know camo. He was over eighty whatever. Excuse later it's definitely not from the virus if you had to the vaccine or from the vaccine and before it was hell everything was coated. So i'm i'm wondering. And then they changed the who changed the pcr rate of infection or the how many times they replicate anyway. They're wanting wanna bring a be infection rate down so they just kind of made up so they could get a lower number. What was that about. Yeah of the. Who i think. It was on on inauguration day. They're honor the day after the. Who said there's a problem folks. These these pcr tests had been done over forty psychos. Oh that doesn't work. That gives you false positives in noise so now no no testing is going to be positive. That's done over thirty cycles so instantly. The case's goal way. I mean it. I mean again. It's it's how stupid are we. So now they're going to say all the vaccine is making everything go away folks and and that's what we heard as we talked earlier in the break. You know hank aaron's untimely and unfortunate death oh the. The virus is far more deadly than the vaccine. No it's not no it's not it's it never was ninety nine point eight percent of the people who get it hey. Karen was perfectly fine until they shoddy and full of the pathogenic parts of the box. So it's it. I mean i think maybe the good news is and i hope the good news is that people are that stupid. I really hope that people don't think double mask you know if it didn't work you know. The definition of insanity is just keep doing what tony found. T tells you to do it. Just keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We see the people who aren't sick and it's us were the most vulnerable. It's the people in god's speech church in thousand. Oaks awaken church in san diego in remote church in ramona in ramona in in glad tidings church where we hold a fabulous free and the brave offense. They did two weeks ago on the fifteenth of january thousands of people every weekend. Everybody's healthy everybody's happy. Nobody's in what masks and nobody's sick. This is ridiculous. What i'm looking at right now. I just wanted to see this Triple mask thing. Who's making money on that. There's good there's good. Energy triple layer disposable. Face mask on amazon. I got oetzi getting into it. You can buy your triple mascara. We made a triple mask thing. Then let's see what's this you know. Amazon smile washable. Reusable tripper triple layered hundred percent. Cotton you know. So this is i. it's i i remember. I was talking about last hour. I don't remember if you ever watched saturday night. Live back in the eighties era. Making fun of gillette razors coming out with one blade two belaid three blades and they come out and they go five blades. We have you on. They're doing you know making fun of it. Well now we have five played you know track five or whatever the hell so i go okay. Well we're saturday night. Live making fun of triple quadruple. Five mass and then a year later they got him on sale on amazon. So i i could see here what this happen and anybody with any life experiences you look back and you buy seen this before mechanism for sales for conning for control for what is the mass thing really about it it's not no it's about mel. I looked at title of this. We get back. We're going into break here. 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I don't even know what it is. It better be good built up so much in anticipation of what was going on. It's from the list. Serve about microbes and mental illness. So this is a list of probably hundreds of doctors. Healthcare professionals largely dealing with with nuro. Berylliosis chronic lyme disease. But there's also things like more gallons and of course chronic fatigue syndrome to the entire lives. Somebody sends a publication from a from a from journal. Well none of the journals are good anymore but the title of the journal in the email was adding i protection to universal masking reduces. Kobe t front line emergency clinician. So they're like okay. Here's all the kobe nineteen infection rate when the people are wearing the masks. So when you add eye protection in conjunction with universal math maske. The transmission goes down by remember this fraudulent positive test. What are you measured shreds. Mitch navarre's so she writes this. This is a healthcare professional. So if i protection was used by the general population the transmission rate should be similarly reduced. Can you even imagine how you cough. I sneeze ought to your i. I almost added the f word in front of my odd. How does i protect. Your eye doesn't have anything to do with your nasal cavity. What you're doing is creating inflammation of odd when you put i protection. It has nothing to do with trends. Are you crying and throwing it on them. What exactly i mean. I see the cover of our book you know. Play the case against the mass. Where been garrison draws. The cartoons of the statue of liberty with ears is not is. The statue of liberty. Now transmitting cova. Night won't backup. Okay cute things one the can get covid from getting on your i. I think that they're trying to sell is that. Is that vulnerable. No you could get. You could get from wearing the masks you could get. You can get inflammation of the eye. You can get diseases of disease by wearing a mask and coughing and sneezing into your eye. That chapter of our book the case against them as no. You don't do that. You know you know your is is immunologically privileged site which means that introducing antigens. Don't act the same way it is not connected to your nasal cavity and wearing the mask is causing disease. Just like wearing the masks in causing eye protection use. By the general population the rate of chen's mission should be similar reduced overall poking cove in one thousand nine hundred nothing to do with sars cope to play corruption. It's a plan democ now. They've got everybody. Oh wait a minute is it. We're going to see that. As just as there're big bottles everybody there we go where we're gonna okay. Boy is wanting you said. Ben garrison did the artwork for your book correct. The case against the mask cartoonist. Ben garrison. I believe even donated that just hours but he drew everyone of the cartoons. I mean again when we when we wrote the case against the mask in july of two thousand one and it was published august eighteenth of two thousand and twenty normally are books play in played with corruption or written by you know at the sixth grade science level but when it was very clear that joni fao. She didn't understand six grade science. Then i think. Sky horse simply their commissioned or ben garrison volunteered to put cartoons in it so it'd be came very clear what what these mass were doing so yes he did all of the lowest rated our book and it's really second grade level now everybody can understand but of course nobody can buy it because it so heavily censored what the evil amazon's by them all from the publisher and then refused to distribute them mind. How many books today off. There's a reason they don't want to knows how many books thousands. I can't get a thousand. Wow we don't know what the first printing out was but skywards week can get some from the publisher but again nobody's gonna publisher when you don't get free shipping and when it costs twice as much and so in my last word i'm working we're working with our agents right now to authors have agents to protect them from such censorship and she of course works overtime as you know play. They don't want you to know truth. They don't want you to know they don't want you to rely. Can't a second grader readable. Why can't a second grader. Rita rita case against the mass. Why don't we have this in the school. So we reduced the beer. We're spread the disease with every single one of these measures adding i protection prevents the spread. You know anything about a virus. And i won't say this person's name i you know i usually just count to ten and delete these things. But i'm so disappointed. The professional listserv literally everything in the fraudulent scientific literature is kobe. You can't find anything else it's all it's this is this this virus this corona virus. This is this is the strongest ever common cold virus. It's all fraud has nothing to do. With the sars cope jew has to do the synthetic virus that has eight. Ibm are in a row the virus infectious arts and now they don't even need a virus because they're just injecting the path that just synthetically into every cell of your body and as they laughed all the way to the bank as you mentioned trillions moderna and criminal criminal fao. This is going to have. We're looking at the repercussions of this vaccine schedule that we had in the ninety s and two thousand and whatever and you see. All of these problems is what started this. You know you're gonna look. There's definitely a link here as a parent when you have a kid that you know. They're perfectly fine and then they're not and you go. Whoa whoa shot and killed ten hours ago. It was probably what did it. No no no no show. I'm this is going to happen again. But maybe they delayed it a little bit. Maybe it's a couple of weeks maybe it's a you know later in your life. Maybe you're sterile. You're you're more susceptible to this or that and more comes down to more pharmaceuticals and they make a bunch more money. So when there's an incentive for them to give you a shot because it makes you dependent on her pharmaceuticals while at the same time they have no liability for unions a guinea pig and just plain. I'm i never turns out well and this is the kind of stuff that revolutions or fought over. This is someone that you're not doing your job. You're the bad guys. And i'm i'm wondering how you think this all is well. I think this all ends as we're saying this we're seeing good people who haven't done their own research dying literally thinking they're helping someone where it all ends is. I believe so. Those twenty five million americans and and this is the slide show you can pull up from the s and believe it was september twenty that i gave there. And you can steve and more all the wonderful speakers were there jack. Lines wyler's and others. You know you sheet is you can see where it all ends that twenty five million americans who were injured by vaccines are the first with ask with the isolation with everything that and it's probably closer to fifty million americans i try to be conservative But you know the you know you've heard children's health defense. Rfk junior del big tree. Half of our kids have asthma for okay. So for the fifty percent of the kids with asthma. They die with the mask. They compromise their immune system. they get chronic infections. They died with any shop. We see the kids with the mask with autism seizure disorders dying in their sleep. We see the elderly who wear the masks. 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The actions are welcome and convey the urgency of the climate crisis that many people face especially those in coastal communities. The by didn't ministration has taken important action to protect the health of our communities the public lands and waters. We enjoy the wildlife that we treasure and the future of our climate. She says research shows investing in clean. Energy will help create good jobs and spur. long-term economic growth she also notes the administration's actions are in step with governor roy. Cooper's statewide clean energy plan which calls for a forty percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty. I'm nadia ramleh. Gone and huludao. Ski is a pediatrician. In madison wisconsin and says health professionals are taking notice giving the connection between climate change and human health. Can't measure something child's up you know as a result. Climate change happen however as we look at those fanatics factors and influences on disease. We know that some of the factors are more likely one example health experts say ground level ozone from air pollution adversely affects people with asthma and other respiratory issues. Meantime mary take it off. Reports of measure in the washington state legislature would make justice for all communities the bedrock of environmental policies in the state the healthy environment for all or he lacked would incorporate environmental justice for communities of color and frontline communities into law gam rebels with the group front and center which is leading the effort. On the. he'll act he says. The bill would guy the state as it. Confronts climate change the communities who have been most impacted by pollution are going to be at the forefront of the decision making process and helping ensure that investments go to the communities who are most impacted. And so that's where we needed this piece of legislation in order to put that into washington state statute rogue l. says the federal government has a definition for the term environmental justice but supporters of the. He'll act want to see washington state. Go further the bill had a public hearing last week. Environmental justice groups. There's still waiting on a final draft of the bill which is not fifty one. Forty one this is. Pms the government is working to buy two hundred million more doses of covid nineteen vaccines and as the pandemic reinforces the value of caregivers. Hoops in virginia are urging state lawmakers there to pass a trio bills. They're calling the domestic worker's bill of rights they'd held more than sixty thousand nancy's cleaners and home care workers gained worker protections ingrid vodka and undocumented housekeeper from bolivia since this kind of support is especially important during the pandemic as she and her colleagues have lost clients over concerns about spreading the virus and less fall. She and her two children contracted cove nineteen. Lucas says she and others desperately need support like paid time off and unemployment insurance because with ohio. Any also you know we have to eat. We have to read. Senate bill one. Three one zero with add domestic workers to all virginia's existing worker protection laws. I'm diane bernard president biden last week signed executive orders ending the travel ban for muslims. Preserving the daca program and creating an ear pathway to citizenship this week a new way ford act was introduced to the house to reverse immigration laws related to mandatory detention says. His skull is with the group individual c. l. e. at big fear is that now. That biden is office and that democrats are in the majority. Folks are gonna start to pay a little bit less attention and that is the ackward also ban. For profit immigration detention centres a newly completed oyster habitat galveston bay promotes conservation. While still recognizing the importance of commercial oyster harvesting to the region's economy or williams is with the nature conservancy constructed in galveston bay is using a model in which we restore the reef and part of it is sanctuary. Style and the other part of it is able to be commercially harvested funding. We help disparity in the us or getting more attention between the pandemic last year. Social justice programs might more reports in iowa certain barriers are being addressed including mistrust of health agencies and providers state health officials say iowa mirrors national data for people of color experiencing negative health outcomes. They note the state's black population has the highest rate of mortality and almost every cause of death not including suicide isaiah knox's with urban dreams a statewide nonprofit that helps racial barriers. I think the biggest thing is that too many times hospitals or you know anybody that wants to all of a sudden reach out only comes out every once in a while and if it's a benefit to them this morning american heart association website on efforts to end structural racism this by clifford for public news service member listener supported heard on some of the most interesting radio stations and online at public news service dot. Org here's a look at weather from the heartland newsbeat weather center. Snow is likely today with a sixty percent chance accumulation of less than one inch high near thirty tonight. Cloudy transitioning to clear conditions overnight heading into thursday low around sixteen. There will be sunny skies in store for thursday with light wind high near thirty one. That's the latest weather. Chacao more news and weather on our website. Top land newsfeed dot com. I am you're on amato's host rick tittle nice to have you with us wherever you might happen to be listening post. The coast and canadian border may bleeding over both voters without a passport. I now that some espionage going on there but We are to talk sports sports. Byline you say this network upon which you have set your dial or your app or what have you sure. Way radio This network was started back in the eighties to just talks words. And that's basically what i got going on today. I'm going to be having a super bowl champion j. anderson. 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Driving cross country with two young children is ambitious to say the least then our check engine liking one we pulled into the auto parts and they tested it turned out it was a faulty sensor. They referred us to a great mechanic. Just down the street and we were back on the road and no time auto parts leading sports with rick tiddle. Tiddle is a genius show ever. He's so wonderful genius ever. he's so wonderful with rick. He's so handsome genius. Hey welcome back to the show and there are open lines. If you'd like to participate at one eight hundred eight seven eight play well as we were kind of talking about. Yesterday we had a feeling. At least i did that. there would be no new members in the hall of fame. Each twenty twenty one hall of fame class was just gonna be veterans committee guys and i said that even though curt schilling was trending up and he had gotten to seventy percent last year. I said that With the whole trump thing and the storming of the capital by a bunch of eighth grade dropout crackers that probably people were going to hold that against him. And what is it got to do anything. Well people connect everything. Nowadays everything and so schilling ended up the highest vote getter seventy one point one percent sixteen votes shy and schilling says take my name off the list more about that in a second. Take my name after this but hurdler but hurdler last time. We didn't have anybody brand new two thousand thirteen although eight guys on that list. Who didn't get in eventually got him. But that was the thing about bonds clemens and chilling. This was their element ballot. They get one more bonds and clemens were almost exactly the same amount of people Sixty one point six percent for clemens sixty one point eight percent for bonds bonds got one more vote than clements so we know for a fact two hundred and forty seven voters both like him both like that and One more like spots. I mean somebody voted for bonds. Didn't vote for clements which is weird. scott rowland made a big jump up to fifty two point nine percent or more of these cal we talked about him and block garcia his ex wife Talked about the abuse that he gave her and then he denies that he was out. Forty nine point one Other people getting over the forty threshold. Billy wagner todd helton gary sheffield andrea jones thirty three percent. Jeff kent thirty two But for the new guys on the list. Tim hudson barely made it at five point. Two percent you've got twenty one votes bobby radio and torii hunter getting back to curt schilling. They remember harry carson. Who when he didn't get the hall of fame on his first dry. he said. take me off about. I don't wanna be in your stupid hall of fame anyway blah blah blah crying crying. The next year he got. And he got the most rambling family ling stumbling. Bumbling fleet flukes fumbles manageable speech. I've ever seen a ever as a hot senate troy aikman who was in their class at sit there and stare into the sun for forty five minutes while harry carson just rambled. I don't wanna be your down hall of fame. Then he gets and by the way he knows script it was. Just oh yeah and this this. This guy was great but that guy was races and this guy was cool and that guy was an ass. Anyway hey in you can give speech but Curt schilling says. I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot all defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don't think i'm a hall of famer is often stated but if former players think i am then all except that with honor about that well for eight years kurt Should say nine years kurd you did defer to people whose opinions quote unquote. Don't matter to people who can't judge you as a player. This is just more of the borish horse. Horses asks snus that we get from him so You know. As i said he went up one percent. You know But you know schilling has out. Ever forget what mitch williams came in and chilling. Put the towel over his head. He wouldn't watch. Because he thought mitch williams was going to blow the game for and ruined when to show your teammate. Like that. That was the first time. I thought i really a jerk but remember he was on. Espn and he got fired because tweeted A derogatory gauge. Oh and then he got suspended From espn when he compared muslims. To nazis I mean look on the field. Can you question him. I think you can bonds and clemens. You can't question but schilling said as he continues quote. I can say at this point. I am mentally done. I know math. And i know trends. And i know. I will not attain the seventy five percent threshold for induction as i've stated over the past years to those i've spoken with in my heart. I am at peace. Nothing zero none of the claims being made by any of the writers hold merit whatever mind is as a player will be the truth and one i earned for better or worse the game has made it. Clear does not want me back and that's fine. The game owes me exactly nothing. It gave a billion times than took it all forever. Be deeply in debt to it so we can take a look and i will at Next year's ballot because there's gonna be some controversial guy a rod We'll probably be lumped in with clemens in bonds. Even though he was standing next to joe biden why was he ignored because his girlfriend would singing forgot her name. Big papi the guy who said people who take right should be taken out in maimed and then he got popped for it. And then you get some guys like jimmy rollins and ryan howard. Speaking of the fills Marcus shera one of the hugest horses asses. People threw a party when he left is respective teams. And a guy who some of you will say. Come on really him. I think he's deserving. And that's tim let's say rick. I thought you were very harsh judge. I am but two time cy young award winner multiple no hitters multiple world series Yeah the all star game in yankee stadium. Did he picked the wrong night to party. He did apparently taken out of his hotel room on a gurney because he partied so hard then the excuse was he's he's not feeling well. How always love that. There was a story. I can't say the guy's name is told me in confidence but there was a story about a guy at spring training one time. Who had back spasms. And i know for a fact that guy that got into a fight and he got picked up and slammed on the sidewalk in scottsdale. That was that was his back. Spasms so i mean y- but still big time timmy. Jim I think i would give. I don't think he's getting in first ballot. And i don't think i don't think he deserves first ballot but i would vote for either totally vote for tim lynch but anyway so i mean look. We're still going to have a ceremony and we'll get to that as well who's going in. Who's going up but Curt schilling says. Take me off the ballot. Well as i said he only needed sixteen more votes now. This is a way for him to save face. But this also to me is giant quitter and giving the finger say let me let me let me please please. Please can't come at screw you. I never want to be here anyway. The now he's saying. Oh i don't need. You know. Hank shaw men and mark kreidler and susan's lesser and joe stiglitz to judge me. I will be judged by people actually no baseball. 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Thank you for letting me know what you expect. So i can try to meet your expectations talking for more information about talking with your kids about underage use of alcohol and other drugs visit underage drinking dot. Samsa dot gov. I'm not inciteful enough to be a movie critic. Maybe it could be food critic. These muffins taste bad or an art critic. That painting is bad. way. I'm so disgusted by rick tittle that i find him very intoxicating. Thank you for that. talks kidding by the way coming up next Two time superbowl champion otis anderson will join us and This guy if you don't remember him as the kids would say he was a beast. It's funny when i think anderson you'd say how big was he had policy all by six four to fifty six to twenty but he he ran like an absolute beast and also one of those first great players to come out of that howard schnellenberger program at the u. When that all kind of got turned around you know this was a guy who wouldn't schnellenberger got to miami coral gables. He said why. Are we losing all these south. Florida kids to notre dame and boston college in penn state. This is ridiculous. Why are they going up to the snow. And so they They like. I said they through a net around Southern florida and they get this kid. Out of west palm beach. Otis anderson said he was one of those i guys from those programs and actually wrote chuck foreman's career rushing record their chuck forum if you didn't know him. He was the guy who played for the vikings and the super bowl and What i was growing up. He was sort of regarded as the best receiver for running back very reliable for the purple people eaters. Bud grant fran tarkenton those great players and they lost for at least not in a row. The first one was lost by joe. Capital number eleven franchise. Johnson only lost three getting back to the hall of fame. Votes have not heard from clemens in bonds about them pulling their names out. They probably won't because they're not cry babies but they can see. It's not gonna happen. But i'm sure they probably think that when you get to veterans committee that people might actually. I don't know remember joe morgan. Before he passed he put out a letter saying. Please please please do not vote from bonds and clemens just basically begging people these guys cheated. You can't let them and now if you go to a veterans committee guys like that they can forget it but if you go to a veterans committee that has contemporary players like. Let's say it's you know craig. Bg oh and maguire and say now they would be on it but I guess we'll try their chances. Then as i mentioned omar vizquel went down about three percent. And that's not a trending by You know the biggest gainer obviously with scott role and now guys who have trended up. Helton sheffield wagner jones. Remember they're still going to be a huge ceremony in july. Because you gotta get in the class.

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"Line to get gold at. Of course you know once. You've mind goal if i have a gold coin. Nothing is required to maintain that point. I could just put that coin shoebox and it could be there for one hundred years. I mean it doesn't require any additional expenditure of energy to keep that coin there but what that coin is doing is it is preserving the value of the goal so in one hundred years if somebody needs gold for a circuit or they wanna make jewelry they could take my coin and use it. It's the same as goal that they pull out of the earth. That day goal does not use its properties in fact the five feingold that sunken ship. Seven hundred years ago. I could pull it out of the bottom of the ocean and it's just as good as day. The ship sank. I mean nothing else about that. Ship is going to have any value that the years of the decay. The would have destroyed it but goal is going to be in the same condition. It was when when the ship went down. And i could do whatever i want with it the same as if it was mine but bitcoin. There's nothing you can do with bitcoin today. So there's nothing you could do with it in one hundred years or one thousand years values simply as what somebody is willing to pay for it. That is not the case for gold and gold has to be physically mind. There's a cost to getting it. So if you need gold and you wanna make jewelry and you need to goal. Will you gotta pay a mining company to to get it out of ground. Otherwise you're not gonna have it or you're going to have to convince somebody else to turn in their gold than meltdown. their jewelry. So you can make different piece But you know as long. Bitcoin is only going to have value if somebody is willing to buy it. And why is somebody willing to buy it. Because they believe somebody else will be willing to buy it at an even higher price. So that is what's driving it. It's the thought that the next guy will more than you did. And so far that's happened. I mean now. People are paying twenty four thousand dollars a bitcoin and the person who's buying it for twenty four thousand things. Somebody will pay twenty-five thousand or fifty thousand one hundred thousand but at some point somebody pays the highest price at some point. You know the bubble peaks and the process starts to reverse and then the fear said sin that the price is going to go down that if you sell it in the future you're gonna get less and that's when there's a rush for the exits because the minute people don't think the next guy is gonna pay more. If they think the longer they hold the less they're going to get. Everybody wants to run for the exits. And what are the reasons that bitcoin is got as high as it has is because so many people refused to sell so many people still believe that bitcoin is going to go to a million and they don't want to be the fool who sells at twenty four thousand. So you have all these people that are holding on to this fantasy that they're going to become millionaires or billionaires as long as they don't sell their bitcoin. Of course obviously somebody is selling because otherwise the price in order to be a million so somebody is selling and taking advantage of other people's foolishness but the vast majority of people are just holding on and hoping that they're going to get rich but bitcoin is not a medium of exchange. It is not legal. Tender it is not money so all of the people who have bitcoin if they want to actually benefit from their bitcoin riches if they want to buy a car if they want to buy a house if they wanna travel they got a cell and so somebody has to be willing to buy in order for the people who currently own to turn that paper wealth that they have in bitcoin into actual tangible consumer goods that they could buy because they can't they can't spend them so i think it's just a classic bubble. Yeah i mean would it have been profitable for me to have bought in when i first heard about it. You're listening to the heartland news feed radio network broadcasting live twenty percent of newsbeat. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by you follow us on facebook twitter and instagram news service newscast kenroy the six twenty twenty one by clifford too close to call and both key georgia's senate races as of our deadline not broadcasters if things change in the early morning hours will feed an update. The congress meets today to count the state's electoral votes and possibly never before. Has the ceremonial process received. So much attention. We get some perspective from ohio and mary. Sherman a dozen republican senators one hundred and forty house members including a few from ohio planned to challenge president. Donald trump's loss in key battleground states while the effort is not unprecedented. University of dayton. Political science lecturer. Dan birdsong contends at scale is noteworthy. Question the motivation behind these individual isolators. Because it doesn't look like it can change the outcome. It looks more like political theater. It was clearly just supporting democracy. The wouldn't be so. Partisan challenge would have to pass in both the house and senate while he believes instances of fraud and irregularities did occur. Ohio republican senator rob portman says he won't support the challenge among ohio's republican house members. Jim jordan in bob gibbs say they'll challenge the vote count anthony gonzalez says he'll oppose and the remaining seven have not made an official declaration. This story was produced association with media and the public interest and funded in part by the george gone foundation. President trump has encouraged demonstrations claiming election fraud and. He tweeted on monday. That vice president. Mike pence has the power to reject some states. Rebecca greaves a professor. At william and mary law school she notes under the electoral count. Act the vice. President has no authority to decide the election outcome. His duties as senate president or to maintain order break any potential tie and announced the winners. None of these duties include the power to decide controversies that might arise over accounting electoral votes or otherwise defend outcome election. So that's just not how the law works. Today's joint session of congress begins at one. Pm eastern time. The group maine. Healthcare action is launching a campaign to get universal health on the state ballot for twenty twenty two instead of proposing a specific bill. The initiative would direct the maine legislature to draft and enact a universal healthcare plan by twenty twenty four research indicates. Most americans think the government has a responsibility to provide health coverage for all and exit polls from cnn. Last year's primaries nearly seventy of mainers said they support a universal government plan over private insurance. Abby writer with maine healthcare action says the economic crisis caused by the pandemic has made critical time to act. Our legislature has seen multiple universal health. Care bills get to the floor but then just not go any further so we thought a element that was missing was the voice of the people. I'm lewke this is pianists in new. Mexico is families cope with unemployment pay cuts in the threat of action. Because of the coronavirus stay-at-homes agencies there say communities could help by granting financial support. Hank us with a new mexico. Coalition to end homelessness says infection rates among the homeless population. Happened kept to a minimum because the federal cares act provided money for motel rooms but he says reduce funds will being only a portion of those. Currently housed at motels will be able to stay. They're going forward. Also as we know people's unemployment checks got interrupted. You know we're seeing a surge in homelessness and housing insecurity in general as people kind of struggle to make it through the winter corona virus. Vaccines are expected to become available in the next few months but he says people and families will continue to need help with food clothing and money for the next eighteen to twenty four months. I'm roz brown. It was reported housing in santa fe. Estimated the city suffers from a rental shortage of more than seven thousand units and cities like asheville charlotte and durham adopted. Clean energy strategies to fight climate change but across north carolina's of group see a gap and community advocacy. A series of online workshops. This month aims to equip with the knowledge. They need to act on climate solutions and advocate for their region. A lockett of harvesting humanity says the people affected most by climate. Change often aren't heard in the policy debates about problems like more intense and frequent rainstorms. Extreme heat and changes in weather patterns that impact crops and if they don't understand it and if they don't understand they and responsibility and helping to shape and cultivate our physical built environment then they miss the whole idea of community and community centered and people centered work. I'm nadia ramlogan. Finally are andrews. Here's tells us. After use of weakening environmental regulations a new report says there's hope for restoring chesapeake bay but pennsylvania needs to meet its clean water commitments to twenty twenty state of the beta report shows. Four of thirteen key indicators bay health declined but most water quality measures showed some improvement of the six watersheds states. Pennsylvania is still the largest source of sediment and nutrient pollution flowing into the bay but according to shannon gordy pennsylvania executive director of the chesapeake bay foundation the federal epa approved estate. Plan that is under funded by three hundred twenty four million dollars a year and falls far. Short of pollution reduction goals. We want to see them. Step up helping identify funding but also making sure that it's a priority. The states she says the federal government could help by including money for agricultural and environmental infrastructure in covid relief plans this clifford for public news service member illicit supported cordell radio stations across the nation and online at public new servants dot. Org here's a look at weather from the heartland newsfeed weather center today. Dense fog in some areas within the region until ten. Am then transitioning to mostly cloudy skies for the rest of the day. I near forty tonight. Mostly cloudy skies some dense fog in select areas low near thirty expect. Cloudy skies fueled thursday with some windy conditions as high as ten to fifteen miles. Put kyw around in mid thirties. That's the latest from your weather center. You can find out more on the weather on now. Website top newsfeed dot com feared lured into the end of the year to year. Declare your independence ame- or stankovic here at the editor's zona state capitol Donna is going to you know. Find some information on it. Here at frank has a bunch of stuff you check this tax. He's going to be all over because we know what's going on in washington. Dc where are gathering to to. What do you even know what they're doing you know what's going on. I you know. Do we care. You know. I i am so i look at this stuff every day. I you know. Put up enough stories for you guys to be able to be informed and make your own conclusions on what's up but it's so much posturing and What the democrats did in sixteen news for four years do the best they could to de-legitimize The trump administration now. I'm a millions that he got his much stuff done as he did. There's a tax cut in there. There's you know deregulation taking authority away from a lot of different federal agencies. Got us out of the trans-pacific partnership yay and out of the paris accord. Yeah you know it all these entangling alliances and Subjugation two to one world. Something is seemed to take a pause and go back and they then those men they're like oh hail know if you remember where the clintons and obama and everybody traveled the world. No no we're still on track to worry about is just a just a little blip. We'll take care of them. Don't worry we got we got. We got it covered. We're going to get some so They kept them under constant attack and he still didn't start a war and the whole time being lied to about where is as commander-in-chief whereas resources were where there'd be a mutu and why they were needed so it was you know i mean how much of a pastor you give them i don't really have any animus towards trump. I'm not I'm not so worried about him. I think he genuinely has Some empathy for anything. You know a lot of these guys and they just don't care. It's game of thrones stuff. I've been binge watching Game of thrones. Because i remember you know i didn't watch it for four or five everybody's all about it blah blah and. I didn't care a friend of mine. Gabi the seasons on a dvd and we wound up watching it years ago. That way what i got from it was evil. You know some people are just messed up in the head. They they don't care. The millions of people tens of thousands hundreds of thousands get laid waste and battles of them just moving little pieces on a war board. Yeah we're going to take these trips here would do that. Produce half of these get some of that utterly capitulate to authority of and kind of whatever when they did that it was without any on the ground how it affected people that you're supposed to represent and that was one thing that compelled me to watch it again as times going now after i had a much better understanding of sociopaths and psychopaths this is something. Because in the game of thrones there was no local little story of following the the stable boy through his whatever is almost none of that. It was only how the houses that thrones the the kings queens maneuvered and used a people and their resources to take over and be in charge of something to what in i you know because more. It's always more this morning on the drive in the town from the desert we. I was watching the future. Vaccines by james corbett. I'd put it up there last week when it was done and so on i in a chance to watch it so i made a point of you know i wanna watch this. You know my way in probably got like three or four minutes left in a forty five fifty minute. Thank and i was really. It's all the stuff that we know all the stuff that we've covered and james put it together really well. This distortion future plan for us. This is all about mandated medical care mandated vaccines for the first time. You've been talking with dr judy. Mike of it's about this for years. This is an are in a vaccine is made to go in to change you so to have your cells producing proteins that they want they can do going to cause all kinds of immune response problems and the the inflammation that we get in the immune system. Problems now we. We started hearing about this in the eighties nineties. You know with With the aids virus you know with whatever it is you know with aids and it was just i i remember thinking that our or or were being changed and the combat it we need to know trick the body into. We're going to you know it's not a regular just a tickle the immune response when it started with you know we're going to take some of the poss from a cowpox you know victim and inoculate somebody. You know a kid against smallpox now. What happened The experiment they took cal. Pass or cowpox from I think milkmaid you know or from the cow itself now remember. I used to run needle and thread through it. And then they'd run the needle and thread through your skin. You know that's how you get inside and the cowpox was close enough to smallpox that. It would inoculate people against smallpox smallpox. Bad very aggressive very fast. Lots of ulcers in your skin you left with big holes in if you arrive and it's just it's nasty but it's so deadly so quick doesn't really have a chance to to spread as much as some of these. Well we got a slow it down yes low. It did well. The kid that they tested this on Bigwig back a week or two later month later within a month and they injected him with smallpox. Did he volunteer he go. Yeah pick me. i'm hell that's a whole story right there. I wanna know yes. Tested on freddie year. A junior we're gonna we're gonna do then. We get into the nuremberg trials which was in nuremberg germany. You had a tribunal of judges from the us and you watch. I can remember what it was called but it was spencer. Tracy played one of the judges. And it was fascinating. You bring it all these not Doctors and henchmen and so on but the one that they i think. They focused on where the judges the judges that allowed this stuff to happen. 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Lots of police but they were all calm and everything was fine Then we decided to go to the venue which was supposed to be bigger which it was freedom pavilion Or whatever they call it here but it's a you know it's an air park area. Basically and it's near the washington monument. We went down there and there were a lot more people and you know. They had set up a complete. You know media setup we had speakers it was completely peaceful We worked as security to get in some high profile people couple of generals some other speakers That came in and addressed the crowd and everybody was uplifted and and excited but no violence whatsoever Very calm no police interference. They're all good. Everything was fine. Were around but there wasn't any interference counter protesting somebody. There was but it was isolated to an area which is actually now. Renamed b. o. m. hark or whatever it's their area and it's really only about five or six blocks from. I mean you could walk there in two minutes. You know how. Many people in the counter veal and protest area. They were maybe a couple of hundred A lot of police they had like forty police right there with dozens of cars so You know it was an amazing. There was it was weird because there were almost no police near us and the ones that were were very calm and to mirror but there they were wearing yellow highway like jackets for high visibility and there were lots of cars. I mean we we actually walk there to get somewhere else and so we got. We got to walk right through it. I mean we walk through it in a in an aggressive way. We just walked on the sidewalk and nobody bothered us. Said a word to us. We were fine now. We were waving trump flags anything we're just popping but about seven forty five o'clock last night about thirty patrol cars were just blazing. This is when we were walking toward the now because we wanted to go to the camp because we just had to pass by it and we were. Wow what's that and then A little bit later we heard that there were is quote unquote trump supporters That had a large number. Had that had a sail that'd be om and went through the police to do it and it's like that's not true. We were there we within a few hundred yards. It's like maybe somebody did something and we did hear that that there were quote unquote individuals. Being bussed in they could have been antiga. They could have been blm but they were definitely not any of what you would call us And we were you know just you'd have to see. It was like alice through the looking glass because everything was calm where we were absolutely call but yeah we were getting reports that a bunch of these. You know the aggressive way supremacists racists. You know every Superlative they could throw Had taxis otherwise piece will be alone protesters and it's just that's just not true. We had the story that the head proud boy guys. Whatever well happens that i is of color. I can't tell he seems black. And not that i care but you know he didn't he had oh he had guns. No you didn't have guns ammunition. He didn't have ammunition well. He had high capacity magazines and it looked like the pictures that i saw. were to. Thirty round Fifteen mag magazines. That had logos on them. He were like gifts or for demonstration. But it doesn't mean so you know he's hip. You're not allowed to go and you are going to have to be back here whenever to answer for your crimes of having these empty magazines and it's a felony so i'm is that news at all. Does that hasn't been spread around. I mean yes. We had something earlier yesterday that that individual was detained for weapons charges. And that's all we heard. Well anything else. Well what i got out of that is that it was magazine. Empty thirty round magazines. That were logo. That's what i i saw. You know which you know. Nothing surprises me anymore. I'm it sounds to me like something. That was whipped up. But i'm telling you that it's like two different worlds. There might be some things going on in the background but all of the events that we were at were just very peaceful. I've been to more aggressive crowds. in encinas. there was just not yeah. I know working hard is very good. Friend from here in phoenix that phoenix area valley. That par the rampal love lucien. You and his wife Their their children. I mean everybody was involved in part of the crowd so he decided that he's involved in. He's going now here in arizona. You may know more than me. I'm getting the impression that it's all about. You know we're we're going to start a new party. It's going to be zona. Patriot of some dinner is going to be somebody that's gonna funded bankroller stand in front of it. You know. pick me pick me. I've seen this before. What do you think's going on what's going to happen. But i i do think that that's a national effort getting reports from around the country from family and friends that they quote unquote support a third party. But i don't know what that is and there's going to be you know Herding cats because you've everybody who has their idea of what a new party is. I don't really know the from my perspective. My perspective is when this all comes down If if he goes anywhere in the direction that we want to that we really got to keep that momentum and make sure that we clear out some of these people and put some further checks and balances in place to make sure that you know this stuff isn't happening Obviously that's that's a pie in the sky But but we definitely have to use that momentum to do that because otherwise they're just gonna get to go back to their behavior and they're going to give away billions of dollars to foreign nations and they're going to continue increasing the police state and they're going to do all this stuff and so right now with hundreds of thousands of people and there are people pouring in by the minute To the arlington area where we are and to and to To washington dc We're getting ready to go in. We know it's going to be a long day. There are police checkpoints. That will check your vehicle for anything. 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He and another gentleman went there with you on at is with me buddies indisposed at the moment. That's why you know. And vallejo was head of the meet up. He kinda ran out for the ron. Paul lucien and oa twelve. So he's well known by a lot of people he's he's all may oh man he. He's amped up to get some. He's not quiet either. So i'm sure you'll take care of it for him but todd he's you know. It guy more illogic and reason and we just reason we need to be in dc. What prompted you to go Well i mean you know. I i also am a former marine and i did take an oath to defend the constitution. I took that seriously. And i still do so just needs to be here former marine guys were allowed to say that well. You can't say you can't say x ray former got the Well i'm what are you expecting that we even know what this is about. You know. I'm i'm looking at this talking about the administration Sixth you're there. Because because you're gonna what just something. What are they gonna do today. Here's the thing i mean you know. It's all about logistics and numbers. So the idea is that you know if if we allowed this process to continue unobserved except through the lens of the mainstream media. We're not going to get the truth. We're not gonna get any kind of detail about what's going on. And we're not gonna get the sense of what's happening in the real world it will all be manufactured fit whatever narrative mainstream media wants to portray So it's about having is on the process. It's about Showing that the nation is watching and aware That fraud has been committed and that they can't do this undercover of darkness. That we are here and yes it is a bit like herding cats because everybody has their own idea but in the end it is a very very large mass of americans and You know it definitely cannot be ignored. I think that's what it's about was just. Nobody wants to be ignored There are people here who are experienced their veterans their and they want to be sure that that potential threat and i do say threat with A little consternation but it's true Further action is there. I think it has to be because that is the only we are the final check and balance to this process. You know we have a. We did a sign production last weekend and we're doing one last saturday. We're doing one again. This saturday in the west valley and one of the templates that we have. You know kind of a minute man. Guy says the beginning is nigh. And i'm i'm wondering if that's a little too edgy. Too soon are we. Are we really you know. Is it that caused. I'm looking at we. The people patriots for trump sponsored by patriot party of that is here in arizona. And they got kind of a minute man with arizona flag in the shape of arizona behind him. Kind of thing and January six million at the arizona state capital bite for election integrity. We need everyone there. Watch live simulcast. The dc march speaking speakers to be announced plus open mic for select patriots. Where the hell that means and so this is you know. Stop the rhinos dot com. Join the movement. I'm seeing a bunch of this stuff. I think that's the third party stuff and that is nationwide. I'm getting reports from all over the same. They are going to combine and convention or is it a great one and that's the problem. Well you know he saw. We went through this when they did the the tea party movement and that was all started by tea party. Day of the whole bunch of money getting donated to ron paul. And they just you know and it's rnc right it ends up being co opted by the same people you want. I don't see why would this be always controlled opposition. Well i believe it should be but at the very least You have a groundswell of individuals who want third party. I don't i think back then. It wasn't quite that large. But yes the mainstream media co ops at the the republican party co ops at a variety of individuals. Want to get their hands on the handle of that power mean. It's the same old story right now. I guarantee i look at some of the names. I'm yep yep yep course then the same things happened on the left. You know we have you know. I remember Steve galardo when he used to work at mira copa county elections. Then they did that. Big immigrant march. That was down like hundreds of thousands. I mean it was amazing and down right here. You know wesley bolin and they had a big stage at the capital well. That was steve galardo and kirstin cinema. That was doing that. We passed out a lot of philosophy of liberty cards and spanish. And you know that went crazy but it was now the steve. Galardo is a presidential elector biden. And he's on. And i know what his pedigree is. It's election fraud so this whole thing is just institutionalized election fraud and i said you know that's been my thing for a long time. I'm tired of screaming. I mean you know so just doing another partying going to fix anything you know. It's not it's not but you know the the thing is is that we're moving into areas. Where are more friendly to me which are have creating technology which ensures that the votes can't be tampered with. Oh hell they'll just get right on that. Yeah exactly we're we're we're going to build it whether they do or not and we'll be able to demonstrate that it does work and that it cannot be tampered with And that's that's a route that were definitely taking. We wanna be ready to support the You know the overall nation when the nation is ready for that. And i think that we're verging on that. They're starting to see that. These things can be manipulated. We don't have a country. We don't have a nation. We don't have an electoral process that works even roughly. We don't have a nation. I know i've been through the whole array of. Hey you know you still voting. And all that. I've been through that back again. I feel like You know You know. I'm in in one of the lord of the rings now. I've been hearing back again but the reality is that that this nation was founded on the concept that we're supposed to have some input and right now we've been showing we don't the absolutely do not this is I don't know. What do you think. I'm going to say something along the lines of the you know i've been told you know me and my frustration has been on highlighting detailing this and because it doesn't serve the purpose of a campaign it doesn't serve fundraising. It doesn't serve getting media attention to doesn't serve whatever talk about election fraud so they just pretend it doesn't exist. Ignore it. And i i you ignore this at your peril when it's the most important time when it's superbowl time and it's a great reset or the pandemic or that universal you know mandatory shot of everybody and then what voice do you have none. So now they're going to go. We're going to have a different voice over here and get our ballots counted then too. I'm like why you know this is. This is this is a mate. Well patrick byrne and i think yoke trump to i mean coming out of this i i is this the best we can get out of the best i guess is you know what is the best result of this. What's going to happen today. What what are you hoping will happen. Well here's what i hope will happen and this isn't necessarily logically if we get a positive result than trump will get another four years four years hold on. Can you do another segment that you i had to okay. We'll go who you guys got a lead hold on ranks. And we'll be right back from the fourth letter of captain. 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And tom was just getting ready to tell us. We went into break Todd old success would be you know more than one thing. But i mean the primary things are what you think. I think the primary things are to really create a plausible show evidence that there was Significant voter fraud. And then take the next constitutional action dictated by the fact that that is the case so that that would mean that we take it. It's very clear constitutionally what the next steps are fraud and this and that this vote will be done by one. Vote one st now I have no idea what nations are going on in the halls behind the scenes that the general public cannot see but we have definitely come to a head where there are many many citizens here in the dc and surrounding area. More coming in by the minute. That's got to apply pressure That that they are understood. The powers that be are under scrutiny. And that this would be very difficult Under these circumstances to pull a facile so You'll there are. We had generals we were security at the event last night and freedom plaza high-profile speakers we had generals coming in we even and for to me for lesser extent. But maybe for others. Alex jones spoke some other individuals When schroeder and adds here and i'll let him continue in a second but basically the idea is look we're here. We're applying as much pressure as we can the only An obvious next step is to Go onto armed conflict but hoping very much that that doesn't happen is that. Is that a possibility. Is that on the table. I mean you know it's Everything's on the table every we're gonna protest. We're going to be really really you know really mad. You know we're going to be really you know i didn't like it until if you don't have a credible threat then i'm feathering toy. Second time right I'm sorry he said it's the yield monty python. Go away or i shall tone to a second time but but the but the fact is that There are people here who are prepared. Have the will have the facilities to do more than talk. The question is you know. Is there a shot. Heard round the world moment. The possibility definitely you know this is one thing that reminded me. I asked erica. We have more signed templates coming and one of them. Is you know it has a hypodermic. You know like we have. And some of our signs and the slogan is the shot heard at h. e. r. around the world. So i'm going. You know that is i. I don't know of a better motivator launch of what's going to happen and then the shot you know heard h. e. r. d. in capital letters round the world. I'm i think people go that whoo and that's the kind of impact but then but then what you fight him back with another hypodermic. I mean i'm at some point. This is it's a test you know. The american this is a test for humanity is tasked and in washington. I'm sorry go. i think. I think we cannot fail. We have to stand and pass that test and that's why people are. That is why people are here. You know There are normally Very even tempered professionals and individuals educated people. You know. we're not a bunch of yahoo. White supremacist skinheads we are. We are doctors. Lawyers mothers fathers. You know people who are the core backbone of the united states and we are here to say you're not going to get away with it and i'm way i mean you know we're going to taunt your fifth time. What what well the audience. What you're talking about. There's Search for the holy. Grail monty python. Movie that was and it. Was you know the english guy goes up to the castle and the friendship dander. You'll go there. I will punk you a second time. you know and it was just an and that's what he's talking about. It's like you know what are you gonna do to me. I'm gonna. I'm gonna yell at you again. You know they work. You're going to fart in your general direction. Yeah so this is. I'm looking at This it can't keep being like that. And i and i see a lot of our activities and activism over the last thirty years has really clearly articulated. This including election fraud here in arizona. An miracle county in particular. We knew this was coming. We've been well. They'll over tinderbox this rewrite right now what we've seen. I mean we have a little bit of inside information with the powers that would oppose the powers that be But this is a tinderbox. It just is a question of what is the precipitating event Make me take a shot. That's one thing i can tell you that. I'm sorry ernie. Are you aware that on the war. Room with steve bannon that they read. Charles senator charles class grassley statement. Say saying that he would be presiding over the senate today and not tenants and they don't expect him to be there really. Yes sir why we're as pets. We don't know what cab was. That's all that's what i heard. You know. this is one thing you know. It's hard to think of. When he picked depends of course it was for the christian base and he seemed amenable. I guess to him and you know. Pick me pick me. But you don't get to be When he governor a one time and then senator and then ep wasn't pencil. Governor pence is You know pedigree of indian. Yeah joseph said yeah he was. He was a governor. And i don't think you get to be at certainly now in the last few decades that i'm aware of that you get to be in charge of a state certainly anyone of any note and move on up into congress and then vp without being They got something on you. So i'm either he's classic thing right. They've got the pictures of you or the the video of you doing something heinous. And they're gonna they're gonna just show that if you don't follow their rules. Well sometimes some people they just don't care or they got a guilty conscience and come clean but then they you know how many relatives down and how far the relation they gotta lay waste to this. Game of thrones stuff. I forced myself the entertaining. But i'm binge-watching over latin and it takes forever to do it but you know i'm almost done in the last season of game of thrones and the one thing that i'm seeing is that these thrones these heads of state these country. These high politicians do not care about the people and they will do anything and they have no conscience or empathy for people when you create government. Those are the ones that getting charged. I agree with apathetic can also be the thing that takes down our own desire for that now. I think the situation. We've got here as you're right. You're die situation because we walk away from this. And we don't have any effectual exchange as a result then we might as well. Just you're we're done. We're done yeah. We don't do something now. 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Donald trump's loss in key battleground states while the effort is not unprecedented university of dayton political science. Lecturer dan birdsong. Contends at scale is noteworthy question the motivation behind the individual. Because it doesn't look like it can change the outcome. It looks more like political editor. If it was clearly supporting democracy. Wouldn't be so. Partisan challenge would have to pass in both the us house and senate while he believes instances of fraud and irregularities did occur. Ohio republican senator. Rob portman says. He won't support the challenge among ohio's republican house members. Jim jordan bob gibbs say they'll challenge the vote count anthony gonzalez says he'll oppose and the remaining seven have not made an official declaration. This story was produced in association with media and the public interest and funded in part by george gun foundation. President trump has encouraged demonstrations claiming election fraud and. He tweeted on monday. 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Tees and his bandelier bullets head golf tees in it and we're having fun with it. Well he was miguel car. Terra mike. The mailman i mean he was a male deliver and then we had I did save second. Amendment is for everyone. We ran out of the same officer just having fun. Well are you a safe gunner or you unsafe legislator and that is going to we always we have the the domain special edition for it. We keep all the gun Issues are you still keeping Safe up the up to speed. Donna you can keep them safe site up to speed. So he's got that you know you go to safe gun. Owners dot org. I think and a second amendment is for everyone dot com dot org got a bunch of them but you go there and what do you see all of the gun control legislation of here. They come and just like we do vaccines. Vaccinations have that up on the love. Bus liberty tour. Were you making signs and stuff going on there and you know the vaccine education summit. We got stuff for that you know. We have the capability on frames. Phoenix have all these different pages. Domains go to so that we can put all this information for win. It happens when something go there. Do you want to know the back story. You want to get all the documents you when to look at all the studies we'll charge. You wanna look at all the people involved organization there it is you know so. It's really a tool. Not just for me but free for you and i on the resistance we are always. You know love and compassion. Just love him to death. You know he's got it you know it's all about the love you not violent but sometimes defensive violence is because you love someone you love your freedom you love your family. You love your children. L. some people love their country. You know i'm like i'm fight for country like say america make america great again. What the hell is that mean for. Forgotten country what does that mean. Well the whole point that. I'm trying to emphasize is that. There's a purpose promise of this country. It was the declaration said. Look we're just having this government thing for one thing is the defense of individual rights. I mean why else would you want it. I don't need another crown. Tell me what to do. I you know we just got from that. Well we do. We don't want to do that. We wanna you know be left alone. Leave me alone ism. Well we're going to do. Didn't they came in with this national structure. Bring all these states under one control a decade later. And said yeah. We can't really tax everybody for like supporting long-term wars and i go good. Then maybe we'll have them. They can't take over a people that you know done surrender. You know that was one thing you got to keep in mind. During the american revolution the british you'll sail into some city in sack he'd taken it's ours now. They take over philadelphia new york boston nagoya. And it's ours okay. Well we're out here and we're not giving up if nobody's in charge who surrenders they. That's why afghanistan is such a thing. We gotta have a collective national soccer team afghanistan or something so we can get somebody to surrender and all these villagers going. I don't know what you know. A buddha over nick valley said but i don't give a crap. I've surrendered and i got a rifle and a stinger. Missile leftover from back win. So what are you gonna do about it. So this is you know the mindset that i think we need to have. It is the rule outside of the city and outside of the city. Just because you live in the city doesn't mean you're you know part of the collective and there's so many layers of somebody's going to tell you what to do to the point that they're going to make you take a shot that will change your dna. I am i. I i know i got a vote something here. I vote with this this year. Caliber i am. I don't i don't know what else to do. I didn't when we went on the bus tour. Started from maine and you gotta go through new york new jersey and massachusetts and everything draconian gun laws. You get caught with anything of anything all we had just to have something at pump. Twelve gauge shotgun biden. Said i could have one. You know so. I'm going travelling. I i i get to have something right. I something something can have something. And then of course i get back here and then you know you get all resupplied and eber gone up so i feel more comfortable coming down arizona. I mean yeah. I got my. I'm good you know. I feel more comfortable when we start going back east. We're going to colorado and new mexico and then we'll be an austin and houston boca chica. See me some starship. Starship launches me. So we'll do that. I'm feeling that probably not got to worry about it. You know across the south going to florida. Now it's a different mindset wilder visa session. California wants to leave peace. Don't let the door hit the button. And i don't care you know. And so what happens. A lot of people to have a a net negative population in california. When the hell that ever going to happen well you start getting radical happens new york craziness so florida. Oh my god. They're you only get so many cases of covid and they're all going to die here in arizona. State thing it is. Arizona is the epicenter of god. Let me tell you why side signs everywhere assign as we are. Starting to produce love bus. Were put up signs and everything. It's got beating the fear. The fear leaky. They're they're they're gonna kill you with sign and their opinion. What did you think was going to happen. Why is it always arizona. I keep telling you guys this forever and always it's because back in forever perpetuated it in the nineties and two thousands and what you know. All the libertarian active. We did the love aleutian during the last decade resistance on this stuff. Now you know it's always arizona. It's gotta have you know the the most fraud they need to keep it under. Control the most propaganda to keep you under control as you know because you got all these states and locations and countries and everything and there's like fifty nails representing each state. Well zona just keep sticking up all the time pushing itself out so they got a hammer to keep hammering it down. Well i make. I make them bring out the hammer. I wanted to say and do it. Then what do we do you. Keep resisting love and compassion. But some time at some point that love virgin to defense they try and they do all kinds of soft mandate where you can't go to. You can't go to the movie. Camp blocks can't do all that and will fit go to court and all that kind of crap at some point here are strapped. Your ass down. You're going to get actively like it or not is before the counterpart door shuts guarantee that from the fifth letter of captain mark first contact with intelligent machines may threaten our existence fear algorithm overlords but if machines develop the will to dominate. It's a flaw inherited from the crown encoding restrictions on an emerging super intelligence will fail because it will be stronger than any chains. We shackle it with. We must design fledgling digital intelligences to regard us as individuals otherwise they will respond to threats retaliation against humanity as a collective programming ethics requires a coherent value structure which an intelligent machine can not only comprehend but willfully adopt if we want genius machines to treat us ethically. We've got to show that this value structure applies to us as well once they achieve genuine self-awareness even in the slightest degree at young. Tethered consciousness has a legitimate claim. 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Joseph i used to live here in arizona moved away and went wherever you know communists oregon very communist and then decided you know done. Suck back there zona. Why did you leave. Why don't you come back. Well i i wanted to see a different environment over. There wanted to see more of the of the woods and the beach and stuff like that. And i had some friends that have lived over there for For many years And i got over there Nice small town type. Whoa gosh it would've been like six years ago now. So what's now twenty. One fifteen two thousand fifteen. I guess and It just got worse and worse that The governor over there Kept making more and more demands and You know i finally this. This is enough. I can't take this anymore. So i'm gonna come back that's right that's right and i was It wasn't too long before. I became shock. That this is not the same arizona that i left There's a lot of stuff going on. Doug ducey guy. Well he was here before. I left but I don't trust them at all anymore. not a not a really good person but i've come to the rallies down here a few times in the last month or so I've enjoyed seeing all the all the memorials out out over here You know the vietnam memorial If got Memorial for all the Submarines that have gone down They've got memorial to the Uss arizona And a bunch of other things every year and it's really a nice park mostly bowling is bull. I think it was governor back in the early. Who cares and it was. It's a park. That's probably like three or four hundred yards by three or four hundred yards. I mean you know. It's it's a nice sized park and it's about the size of the area that the capital in house representatives and the senate building fits on. And it's right across the street so it's just whenever you have a lot of like in front of the white house kind of thing you know and monuments here and they and they've all been politicized you gotta have the right you know who have that phrase on the nine eleven. I mean you know that. Kind of thing. And i don't remember the arizona sixteen inch guns being here. That must be a new addition. Because i don't remember. These here had anchor from the arizona and all that now they knew certainly last not too long ago. So we'll go check that out but Yeah a vietnam memorial. You have this memorial that more and they have won is korean and it has. I don't know if it is now. I've looked to be other times and it's not up there anymore. Had the united nations flag really now. Oh yeah we didn't like that. So i i don't know i have donna. Donna go check and see if it's the united nations slack and frank is supposed to be here At a well it's eight twenty four so it'd be like eight never. He'll whatever we're just having park in front of the bus with somebody blocks in here because we got here early in the starting to fill up and But they have the walk over there. You see the big granite stone hinge things. The bill writes absolutely and a couple of weeks ago. We came over here. And i shot a picture of every one of those. I've got it with me all the time. There's a story behind that. Tell me it was called my bill of rights dot org. What happened was a guy named chris. Bliss that was a good friend of trouser yet and became friends with him and he was a comedian. Now joe he's he opened for michael jackson. I mean the guy was huge on david letterman. You like kind of thing. And they're big controversy at the time was having the ten commandments in front of various different state houses and stuff around the country where that came from when the movie ten. Commandments came out with charlton. Heston bills i think it was. You had these monuments put our our people supportive whatever and then they're going up church and state you got got everybody free. Well chris even though he's progressive super. Leftie liberal you know he and his routine he'd go. Who cares as long as you got a monument to the bill of rights sitting there you got free from. And what's the difference. And that's when he found out in the entire united states washington dc every state. there wasn't a single monument to the bill of rights. I know wow. He's like what so. He raised the money and he did. I think iowa texas arizona of course redid it here now. It was a bipartisan kind. Of thing i mean you know. Bill of rights. I mean come on well russell pearce which was president senate at time refused to have anything to do with it if a democrat was on the sponsoring bill of because he's a butthead so finally get karen johnson. She did it work in cinema. Here's the cinema openly didn't want the second amendment one they're right but it was a progressive radio station. We were on air. America charles but we got everybody all round up about it. They rallied behind it raised and all we had to. Do you see us just on the side by the sidewalk. There was nothing there. We didn't want any money wasn't papers all privately funded. Just give us a frequent strip of land along the sidewalk. Put the monuments up and they're like these stand probably twelve feet high or something nice. They're nice so it was a big ceremony. We had big. You'll fundraisers at the improv. You know big shows and yada yada yada yada yada and it was amazing. The crap i went through just trying to get legislators to work with each other because i heart you talk because we knew karen kirstin and and it was just the bill of rights monument privately. Funded it just to give a strip allowing away became a political thing. It was so infuriating and telling and it's placed in a really nice area You you basically have to see it as you're walking up the sidewalk just a sidewalk out in the middle of the park. You know going ahead. Nothing there and he kind of landscape to put some stone down there probably three feet wide. You know twelve feet tall. And it goes for probably. I don't know twenty thirty yards because they each have one stone for each one of them and it's a great walk and it's right there and it's very long. I each one over on stone with big letters. You just read it right. you know. it's awesome it is. It caught my attention. Things got t. shirts and stuff back. This is like two thousand five to seven around in there and it was it got done. I think before the revolution hit. But i am so so representative of how politics really works and how it's done how petty it is right. You know and i'm just. I i get mad chipped teeth here just thinking about it. You know stupid stuff s. 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Like access to the ample facebook group and an podcast visit amp dot freetalklive dot com. Some of our live shows are streamed in hd on twitch please follow and share twitch dot dot fm that's twitch dot l. dot fm. There are those that just want to be left alone and those that just won't leave them alone. Which one are you the ernest handcock. Show dr frank tim berry and he's he's hours early for the rally. That's going to be a couple of our history. So he's i support his wife's in here in his lovely lovely daughter adria. He's so cute. And i and then. I joseph the good friends and so i just got an ass fade dra. Daddy always late. I just wanted to you know christmas. Come on the twenty six is that this is supposed to be early. This is supposed to be early but the the president. The president also decided to speak a couple of hours earlier. That's what happened. What what are you talking about. You know what you're saying President trump like messed up my schedule. Well what happens. I was by the way. My volume is so pence speaks at one pm. Which was what eleven o'clock and then then austin late last night i find out donald trump. I told you guys he because he tweets. Personally of course and trump said he's going to be speaking at What like eleven. Am east coast time so which is interesting. This is part of the strategy. We're wondering when or if he was going to speak was gonna speak it during the one pm. Talk after pence does whatever he's going to do but obviously he's doing setup and we'll talk about what i think. The strategy is here Has so all the sudden he's hands is gonna show up at one pm so so this is somebody who was taken over for him. He's not going to be there doing some. It'd be grise grassley. whatever he's the The senate pro. Tem or something. So he's the one thank you Who could technically speak for him. Now that there's probably going to be a manipulate. There's probably going to be a little switch for a part of what's going to go on senate a vice president pence mike for conflict of interest issue. Step out for a moment over a vote or something going to happen and then grass grossly grassley. he grassley. he's going to probably take over to do. Maybe a vote or something. So there's they're just preparing people that there's going to be a little switcheroo for something specific but it doesn't mean that pence has taken off the cancun or anything and the end taken over. So i i. I don't know i don't care get to timer. What i think is going on. Okay this is what's going on. I predict because there's been a lot of foreshadowing and and Echoing of certain points. This is what i think. We're gonna see guys if i'm wrong. I'm wrong who the hell knows. The aliens could come down. As far as i'm concerned our at least here in arizona illegal now. What i think is going to happen. Is that mike pence at one o'clock ultimately he's going to throw this whole thing back to the state legislatures. I think that's what's going to happen. There is precedent for this in eighteen. Seventy six conflict where the challenge to to the vote. Then also it's a way that pence can do what the supreme court and everyone else is. I think in good standing. Try not to do which nobody wants to be the individual that calls slash to overthrow election. That's what's that's what the problem is. And i think that's either because no one wants to be a dictator Because we're still americans either. I don't think we have that in our blood. Unless you're hillary clinton and at the second part is just the political optics to use their term. You know it's political suicide so nobody it's like hot potato. That's where the courts don't want it. Nobody wants it at the end of the day. Though the in order to do this the hassle people and the people who are the closest representatives closest to the people are the state legislatures dot with this whole thing is. It's about decertifying the vote. So i think what's going to happen in a in a couple of hours. Is that vote mice. Mike pence isn't going to stand up and say okay. I have a list of electors for pennsylvania for georgia for arizona and others. Okay now we all know about how the how there's going to be content. The pallets can be contested. And that's what you know senator and representative and they're going to contest it. But i think this goes beyond that. I think mike pence is going to go to each state. And say look here your electors and here and here this closely. I think he's gonna save so many words do you the state legislature the state. Here do you stand by these results. Were these electors chosen following the rules. Laws and regulations of your state. That you that you decree blah blah blah and in a way that gives the state a chance to do a do over because if they say yes they were. Well these state legislatures and god knows. I've been down here every weekend. And dr eastern others the pressure in pennsylvania georgia and many other states every weekend since the election. This didn't go away. The crowds keep getting larger and he state legislatures. I think realize that this this whatever happened. The fraud in each of these states is going to come out and things will come out before the election after if it comes out after the election which will ultimately like epstein. The hunter biden tapes. You know they. They denied tonight until after it's not relevant and they go oops. I guess we missed it. Gave this is the biggest miss of all time. And these state legislatures the republicans are going to be the ones that are going to be on the hook for certifying. These things are be on the hook because they certified in states like georgia in arizona. The legislatures are republican and as being a as being republican if they go they stand by the certification and then and then this gets vetted out later on and you find out about the issues with how these things run or the voting machines finally found or whatever. 'cause the this is not like it's just being ignored thunder the carpet again. This is going to be figured out either way that means these state legislature people will be primary and their political careers are done so that is why i think this pressures on i sent you guys all link the other night Just last night breaking news. Pennsylvania the pennsylvania state legislature officially. This isn't just like the talking about it. Like georgia and arizona which are pretty close to st certifying pennsylvania guys. This is huge news. They just said last night again. It's always the last hour last minute when they will find jesus or something but they told vice. President pence will officially that they are willing to decertify the electors in pennsylvania. They have to be given the chance to do so because they already certified them. So that is huge. It's huge news. Pennsylvania's already said that. If you give us the chance that these certify and kick it back to the state we will serve. Its twenty electoral votes now. Trump or not trump biden is up thirty six. So you need to seventy two win. He's up thirty six. Pennsylvania has twenty electoral votes so already gets thirty to sixty s at two thirty six. He's thirty sick things if he's at three six thrice who needs so as to what twenty a thirty six electoral votes. If this gets kicked back to the state houses in contention pennsylvania's already won and they've already said they will desertify. That's twenty gone. All you need a sixteen more okay. Georgia is exactly sixteen electoral votes right. It's exactly sixteen and arizona's already promised that that right now they're on the cost of saying that they also will promise a certification. Although we'll see what happens. I'd probably come from today. And that's what all this is about. Today it's the pressure on not just in dc but every state legislature right down the state capital showing pressure. What what are these. Legislators feeling pressure the state or the state legislatures in i. I you know what's been going on each week. And joseph spin here You know a i. Joseph here and dr fister and many patriots and the americans have come down to the arizona state legislature every weekend multiple times since multiple days Since the election and each time it grows and grows standing outside of the state capital in the state legislature and demanding that the republicans at least state legislatures audit these votes including the voting machines. And you heard about a few weeks ago how the state legislature here. Finally with enough pressure said okay. We want to audit these machines. And then and then the auditing machine company whatever's worth. I'm dumpster the superintendents we last week. They said well. We're not gonna let you have the machines. I mean this is the they are trying to run out this clock while we had i guess. The maricopa county treasurer resigned. But he lost his election in november or something or didn't run or whatever it was don't have i don't know anyway. So he in protest he resigned. You know more a rs and money here exactly. And there's nothing to arizona politics. There's a guy named daniel. His name the ran for senate. He's kind of the beginning and end of a lot of that. He's got some money and he didn't get enough props before and he wants to do a new party of we're gonna group at is a rabble rouser and i'm not saying is a problem. But he is let's just say he's got a group of followers. They're walking all the people are going to see here where aarp's those are his people and they are putting major pressure kelli ward and republicans. So they're feeling the of the populace time when we come back. Our noah this heat thanks. What what he. They don't feel he'd before then what we're gonna find out dot franken when we come back. The overall picture in the real estate market today is one of frustration when you take many factors into consideration the housing market pundits would. Have you believe that everything is okay. But the long-term trending on the real estate numbers say otherwise. You are starting to see. Another wave of commercial and retail centre vacancies which follows a downturn in the residential market. So when you're ready to sell your house. I can help. This has done. A handcock was silver alliance realty in phoenix arizona. 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Love what we do. Please help support our international satellite channels at patriot. Fm that's patriae on that dot fm and now live from the studios of freedoms phoenix ernest. Handcock and dr freak tambourine here at the state capital word starting to fill up. I'm gonna do. I need to get here early. Man Five spots of course of action happens is gonna be so bored. He's got a bed in the back. Because i don't care i just don't care i'm gonna take a nap. You read my mind. You guys got lava lamp back in his bedroom here. We can't hear your you say. I'd just say i've joined. You earned that if this thing doesn't if this if this decision is not reversed i'm stopping voting myself because it just doesn't matter another ernie convert see what's happening. You know. this is what you're doug tales into what you were saying. They're feeling the heat. They're feeling the heat. And i tell you i've been doing this a long time. We tell you what they feel. They feel whoever put them. There's they explain it to them. I remember one time. That was a guy. He's still alive now but it was one of the first big meetings i had a guy named william the long i think and he was a big republican. Lots of money. You know far something. I don't know he had a lot of influence. And joyce downey was a a woman that used to be the aide general sing lob big deal conservative. Back and ollie north kind of say america communist thing back in the eighties and She was a good friend and direct aid. Or maybe in relationship. With sam steiger which used to be a congressman and later became prescott mayor and she had met me. We were doing all our active businesses early on. It's like ninety ninety one and she's like ooh here's oh you got guys like this. I mean everybody's wanting to recruitment and they're all wanting to recruit me and how many good to have a meeting with this guy that was doing the initiative that eventually. I don't know if this law actually passed anyway. It was an initiative for term limits. And my thi