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"michelle goldberg" Discussed on Why Is This Happening? with Chris Hayes
"And so today. I thought i would talk to one of my good friend. Someone i've known for a very long time. One of my favorite writers. Who i just i find you know. She's one of those writers who says things so often in her published. Calm in your times up at beige. Where i think to myself like. I wish i'd written that or like yes. That says the thing the way that i wanted to say it. But i couldn't articulate it she has been an op. Ed columnist there for several years now and had a long history of writing books and as a journalist before that and her name is michelle goldberg. Michelle great tabular program. Thank you so much chris..
How should the media cover the presidential race in the Trump era?
"Rid of the ballots. Locker up has now morphed into get rid of the ballots. And that's become an effect. The trump campaign slogan and the trump campaign strategy. It became the strategy yesterday when Donald Trump said that. And get rid of the ballots are the first words of a New York Daily News op Ed piece today with the headline. The president is psychopath the new. York daily. News is one hundred and one years old, which makes it New York City's youngest circulating daily newspaper. And it carries a headline in twenty twenty. That was unthinkable. When the daily news was founded in one thousand, nine hundred nineteen. President is a psychopath. The article is written by two psychologists and it says get rid of the ballots and there won't be a transfers said Donald Trump on Wednesday. This comment is a direct dangerous expression of his anti-democratic intention. If unstopped trump may well destroy our two, hundred, forty, four year, old democracy, it is time to stop pulling punches. It is time to stop relying on political pundits to weigh in on trump's behavior, which they often softened and even normalized. We are psychologists and we are convinced Donald trump is a psychopath his malignant behavior over the past four years is growing escalating right before our eyes trump's psychopathy will change us forever if he is not stopped. And today the New York. Times. Published up ed piece by the newspapers distinguished columnist Michelle Goldberg which says the President Quote Daily defiles his office with. Corruption disloyalty and Sater's. The president of the United. States is aspiring fascist who would burn democracy to the ground to solve his diseased he go. Michelle Goldberg. In New York Times print. Refers to. The rotten and squalid party that is enabling him. These are all words that could not in did not appear in the New York Times about American presidents and now fit. Well within the bounds, the contours of mainstream comment about this president. The New York Times. Is One hundred, sixty, nine years old. And it's had to find new language to deal with Donald. Trump because donald trump has brought new language to the presidency like get rid of the ballots. The. New York Post. Is Two hundred nineteen years old the oldest New York City newspaper was founded by Alexander Hamilton but it is now owned and operated by an Australian born billionaire who liked donald trump got his start in life from his rich father. And history will show Rupert Murdoch's most significant contribution. To his adopted country. Has Been. The perversion. Of Television news into a presidential propaganda channeled named after the animal in the forest that legend has it is the most cunning and to put it mildly untrustworthy. Fox.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"From WNYC studios. It's Friday February. Twenty New York Times columnist. Michelle Goldberg joins US now. With the South Carolina Primary Tomorrow and new questions about Corona Virus Preparedness Continuing to arise today. Thanks for joining US Michelle. It's always great to have you on. Hey thanks for having me so at the top of your twitter feed. This morning was part of a New York. Times article about the new federal government whistle blower on federal workers being sent to meet Corona virus evacuees arriving back in the US without proper training or equipment and having their own health concerns dismissed as bad for morale and even had their emotional stability questioned for raising health concerns about this assignment. So you tweeted Wonder whether it's dysfunctional culture comes from. What can you tell us about that story? And what kind of dysfunctional culture are you pointing out okay? Well with the caveat that I was commenting on this story didn't report it but I think we've already. You've you've seen occasionally people say will trump hasn't really faced a big crisis yet and that's not of his own making and here it is and where he's demonstrating his incompetence and that's not quite true because we did see trump have to face the big crisis not of his own making in Puerto Rico. It just didn't involve people who can vote in American elections right and it was a disaster. It's a catastrophe. It's still a catastrophe. And so I think we're seeing the fact that you know we actually have a layer of people who are several degrees Less qualified than the people who are in government at that time right. This is really the de l'est. He's gutted the civil service you know kind of fired. The entire amazingly fired the entire global pandemic chain of command. And so you basically have a bunch of you know kind of apparatchiks and bullies and stirred raiders who are coordinating this thing and so I mean just this language I think in particular that they had their mental health and emotional stability question. I mean who else does that? Every single time his orders or his version of reality is challenge and also were. You surprised in that context to find out that the whistle blower herself who is one of those who was concerned about her own health Was a woman and had her emotional stability question when raising a health concern right. No exactly I mean I feel like you know sort of par for the course with these people in right. I mean the cliche which is true. Is the fish rots from the head and that seem well. The Washington Post says the whistle blower is seeking federal protection. Alleging she was unfairly and improperly reassigned now after raising concerns about the safety of the workers to HHS officials Including those within the Office of Health and Human Services Secretary Alex as our himself says the whistle blower has decades of experience in the field received two. Hhs Department awards from these are last year and has received the highest performance evaluations according to lawyers but she was told last week that if she does not accept the new possession in fifteen days which is March Fifth. She would be terminated so again. I know you didn't report this story. But what's your understanding from your colleagues about what would happen with this whistle blower complaint. I mean we know. The president accused the last whistle blower to make the news of treason right. So my understanding you know is based just on what I've been reading like everyone else and you know my experience in talking to members of Congress about their oversight of this administration. I just think that you know you can see it. Not just in the handling of this whistle blower but in the entire handling of this epidemic in this press conference full a full of lies in kind of pudding Mike Pence in charge of things and basically saying that every expert has to go through him before they speak to the public right. I mean and this kind of phenomenon of having a crisis in having ideologue ideologues Try to spin it for their own benefit even as it gets out of control. It's not something that's unique to America. Right I mean. I think that it was the case early in the epidemic in China In its most extreme form it was the case in share noble. And so what? We're just seeing in real time is why you don't want Ideologues unconcerned with empirical reality and completely untrained in public administration in charge of government at a time of national and with pence being put in charge of the response. People have been looking back at questions regarding his public health. Record as a congressman and governor of Indiana. You tweeted a quote from an OP. Ed Pants wrote in two thousand at the Washington Post citing yesterday. He wrote time for a quick reality. Check despite the hysteria from the political class in the media. Smoking doesn't kill. Pence was and pence was directly responsible for Exacerbating the HIV epidemic in Indiana with his refusal to implement a needle exchange program. So this is someone who doesn't just have a neutral record on public healthy as a record of act of like actively making public health problems worse because of his You know again. Version to to to letting empirical reality Guide Him Ultimately Perhaps this is reassuring or perhaps you won't even trust this but impure political terms if corona virus gets bad in this country. It's GonNa look bad for trump especially after he downplayed it. It's GONNA be bad for his re-election effort so maybe in this case is personal interests line up with the national interest and that will improve the response or do you think that's naive. I think that's what you would have thought right. I mean in certain ways this crisis seems tailor-made to some of his most demagogic instincts right. So you would kind of you could have imagined scenario in which. He went overboard in terms of closing. The border went overboard in terms of hyping the threat instead of underplaying threat And I don't know why he hasn't taken that take. I don't know why he hasn't taken that path but I also would say that I don't think he could respond to this competently if he wanted to. Don't think he's he's not capable of it. The the bureaucracy again. The bureaucracy is hollowed out. The good people are gone You know the pet of personnel in the White House is this twenty nine year old who is previously fired his gambling problem but then brought back because trump doesn't trust anyone else. I mean these are just you know? Even if these people had the purest possible motives they just. They don't have the bandwidth. They're not capable of carrying this out new topic the Democratic presidential race. You have written most positively about Elizabeth Warren among the candidates. But you wrote to interest staple and I wanted to staple disclosure whenever I talk about Elizabeth Warren that my husband Whose graphic designer has consulted for Elizabeth. Warren you know although I should say he's consulting for Elizabeth Warren. Because we believe in her you know not vice versa filling enough and yet you will too interesting pro. Bernie Sanders things recently that I want to ask you about one. Was your call him call. Putin would hate President Bernie Sanders. So do you think this whole acquainting sanders in Russia to trump and Russia is getting talked about the wrong way? It's really outrageous to when people talk about Bernie as the Kremlin's candidate or as somebody who's pro-putin I mean it's certainly true that Russia Intervened in San on Sanders behalf in two thousand sixteen as a means of sowing dissension in chaos in the Democratic Party and Undermining Hillary Clinton and it's true according to intelligence sources that he's intervening on Bernie's behalf again because he thinks the same way that a lot of American pundits think that Bernie would be the weakest opponent. against trump. And you know he doesn't know that any more than any of US know that right. I mean I suspect that from time to time but the polls tell us differently and none of us really know what I am confident of. Is that if Bernie Sanders were the president who would end up really regretting pain of the accent which he put his thumb on the scale on the skills. Because you know Bernie is not a militarist. But he's really not an isolationist he really believes in having sort of Global Alliance of liberal democracies against what he's spoken of. I think very clearly maybe more clearly than any of the other candidates as this axis of authoritarianism of which Putin is both apart and a patron and so I think that ironically in a sanders trump race sanders would end up. Being the sort of candidate of American exceptionalism. The candidate who says that America has to has to stand for these liberal democratic values that Putin is trying very hard to discredit all over the world and the other thing you wrote the caught. My eye was from your twitter. Feed yesterday in response to The Times article about Democratic Party regulars looking to stop Bernie at the convention if he doesn't have a majority of the delegates and you wrote even if you think sanders is an extremely risky general election candidate which I do. This is insane and will lead Democrats to defeat. Why do you think so well because I think fat look I understand that these are the rules and these are the rules that Bernie Sanders helped shape? But I think that you cannot kind of come out of this process with the perception of illegitimacy if think about the fact that Sanders Movement Is a very significant part of the Democratic Party and it also contains a lot of the people who Democrats need but who are most kind of loosely attached to the party were sort of Pro Bernie voters as opposed to pro Democrat voters. And they're already I would say sometimes accessibly paranoid about the about the DNC. They already feel. Ill used by the process in two thousand sixteen. And so if they saw it as Bernie coming in with the most votes and then people going into you know kind of per smoke-filled rooms not really smoke-filled rooms but right some sort of insider process to take it away from them. I think it would be very very hard to keep those voters on board so to me. It's just a sort of. It's less a question of fairness and more a question of Strategy Express -ception strategy because on the merits. I mean I could argue this one either side. It's democracy to say the candidate who comes into the convention with the most delegates should win the nomination but on the other side if a candidate comes in with say a third of the delegates and two thirds of the delegates are against that person and then they can agree on one. They'll get behind who they think is better That's democracy to isn't it right? Well I would say I actually think in. Bernie's defense that he has said a substantial plurality of delegates right so I don't think he's so he hasn't said you know if somebody comes in with thirty percent. Somebody comes in with twenty seven percent that there can be no negotiation. I think he's right about a substantial plurality and again I just think it's very important. Democrats have Democrats need to be concerned about swing voters. They need to be concerned about the suburbanites that I fear would be really turned off by Sander's presidency but they also need to be concerned about Sanders voters and they definitely need to be concerned that this huge proportion of young people who are supporting sanders in who are sometimes sort of getting into political process for the first time because of Sanders doesn't become disillusioned disaffected with the Democratic Party Less than back to warn the Times has an article today They saw themselves in Elizabeth. Warren so what do they see now and it says for some professional women. The struggles of MS warns campaign. Feel like reckoning with their standing in the world. Does that ring true to you for the campaign and may maybe for the larger world. Absolutely I mean I think that that was true for a lot of women with Hillary Clinton and but then they heard over and over again. No it's not a woman it's just this woman and they often heard from people particularly on the left. Why be happy to vote for Elizabeth Warren? Just Not Hillary Clinton and then Elizabeth Warren comes along and the criticisms of her has been so gendered right that cheese that she's sneak in instant. She sneaky that she's dishonest that she can't be trusted. I mean she's criticized in the exact same ways that Hillary Clinton was criticized despite having vastly different records and vastly different life stories. And the thing. That's been really painful and that I think Warren has really suffered from is that because Hillary Clinton Loss was so traumatic and lost to this kind of misogynist Ogre like Donald Trump. It has created a question in a lot of people's minds and lot of women's minds about whether or not a real a woman really could beat Donald Trump and I think Elizabeth Warren has been held back by that and yet at the same time seeing her held back by that only sort of compounds. The Trauma New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg. Who also is co host of their podcasts. The argument Michelle. Thank you so much. Thanks.
Lead intel agency pushes back on reports Russia is aiding Trump
"Congressman Maloney is a member of the house intelligence committee that means he was also in the room last week for the briefing in which the committee was reportedly told that Russia is out to help Donald Trump win the presidency again congressman we always appreciate your time thanks for coming on today my pleasure I know that was a classified briefing last week and there are things you can't say what can you tell us about what the trump administration's election security official Selby Shelby Pearson told the committee well I can't speak in detail about what what's the the movie was in a classified setting what I can tell you is that you know Russia interfered in our elections last time it is continuing to do so it is done so around the world by the way in other elections entities and in the news crystal clear that they prefer Donald Trump now I understand the administration wants to shoot the messenger but this is a serious national security issue and and I've said to administration officials you know if you told me that the Iranians you know want to defeat Donald Trump because he killed the general Soleimani I wouldn't say oh you're just trying to make a political argument that the Iranians prefer Democrats I would understand the logic of opposing you know an opponent of the regime in their eyes but I I I by the same measure expect them to recognize that Gladden your Putin who has said publicly he supported Donald trump over Hillary Clinton continues to prefer this president to the alternative it and so they just need to open their eyes and stopped in nine rounds we played the club just before you came on of trump's national security adviser Robert o'brien on television this weekend saying we've been very tough on Russia and we've been great on election security so I think it's a non story do you think they've been great on election security it depends on who that pronoun refers to if you're talking about Paul Nakatani who runs the NSA run cyber command who has the less than a the most important job on defending our elections then I agree that all night sorry the general who runs an essay is great at the agency level they are focused on this problem and I try to we we sure my my my my constituents that they're a lot of good people in your government who still take this stuff seriously we have exquisite abilities that we all pay for and we will deploy them to keep our elections safe and free but it matters a lot the signal they get from the White House it matters a lot that that these agencies not be cooperative the way we've seen at the justice department or the state department by trump loyalists who will say or do anything that could make the president happy there's too much at stake in o'brien did say in the clip even though this was a classified briefing that he has seen no intelligence that suggest Russia is trying to help trump have you seen any such intelligence I can't comment on the content of classified material that I've been retelling what has been publicly reported that I'm aware of suggests that you know that the that the books are statements by the national security adviser he doesn't have a lot of credibility with me most of these people around the president now are there for one regional entities compare it without thinking about whatever the president says for once and that is not the same thing is keeping our country safe will keep in our elections here for the rest of us after all these people accountable another part of that story as we reference just before you came on is that Bernie Sanders has acknowledged that he was briefed the Russia is trying to help him in the democratic primaries and we played a clip of senator Sanders from twenty eighteen a speech at Johns Hopkins called building a global democratic movement to counter Thor tarian isn't that excerpt was also quoted in Michelle Goldberg's New York times column today and she wrote that by contrast under trump the US has abandoned even the pretense of backing democracy and human rights and I see in this morning's news trump is in India in a city that NPR's reporter describes as literally plastered with posters of trump holding hands with their Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi's and I don't think Sanders will be doing that so I gather you're a Joe Biden supporter in the primaries but how much would you describe as a false equivalency the claim that Bernie Sanders would be like Donald Trump when it comes to Russia and enabling authoritarianism yeah well I will neither was I mean in other words I I I don't think that anybody has to be confused that Donald Trump has been cozying up to dictators in a way that is offensive and an unjustifiable but I would feel better if if one of the leading democratic candidates wasn't also for bizarre reasons emphasizing how great parts of the Cuban regime more or or if he hadn't decided to honeymoon in Moscow at the height of the Soviet Union and those are also very questionable choices and and things that emphasize for major American politicians I don't like any of it I wish people were clear that they had these dictatorial regimes are bad and are at odds with American values although as far as it pertains to the president and of course many things have been brought up the Sanders supporters would say about Joe Biden and things that he's said about race and sex it cetera going way back but they went way back then and now we play the clippers all the respect I don't know what that has to do with praising the Castro regime when you might want to win Florida in November so you're saying the things that Bernie Sanders said just recently about the Castro regime being not all bad I think there's something I think there's substantively sort all this analytically very dangerous when the moral imperative each year he's to be Donald Trump and anybody who's involved in themselves in some you know some some Ivy League seminar on what's good and what's bad about being even focus on winning this election and that's what I care about because if we put Donald Trump in the White House for four more years the consequences are devastating for everything we care about from the healthcare people sentenced to the environment okay receive quality climate change you know that everything so I with the Democratic Party would focus on how to win this election and I do not think the conversation about the good points of the Castro regime are helpful in any way so Bernie Sanders is going to be our nominee I hope I hope the focus is on winning you're in a Hudson Valley district that you represent it since twenty twelve
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on The Argument
"I'm michelle goldberg. I'm rostow third. I'm david leonhardt and this is the argument this week. How much blame does president trump deserve for the latest gun on massacres. The connection here is not just trump's personal qualities of is also his bigotry and his flirtations with incitement. Them are democrats kratz breaking up with barack obama. If joe biden is going to run essentially on obama's record people are going to try to litigate litigate that record and finally a recommendation then. I just remember thinking like this is about as happy as i can be it.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on 790 KABC
"Slash already so when Michelle Goldberg says from is a white nationalist inspires terrorism first of all there's no evidence from the white nationalist second about Michelle Goldberg has defended people who use awful rhetoric all the time evil rhetoric all the time Michelle Goldberg has a piece in The New York Times by that title the trump is a white nationalist what's the evidence from the white nationalist by the way district on immigration and what what what exactly the evidence that he has he attempted to expel every black and brown person from the United States or is it he said means stupid vile things about his opponents it seems to me pretty obvious the latter right he it Michelle Goldberg has this has this whole piece about this just this past weekend the fire appeared to rage out of control when a young man slaughter choppers in a Walmart no Paso a manifesto he reportedly wrote echo trump's language about an immigrant invasion and Democrats support for open borders it even included the word send them back he told investigators he wanted to kill as many Mexicans as he could now again to take a person who is an evil Walmart shooter and then suggest that trumps opinion widely results in that is patently insane which is why I have said that I don't blame AOC for a crazy person or an evil person using her words about concentration camps to go attack an ISIS away by Michelle Goldberg apparently would blame from for this but not AOC for the ice detainment facility to which again there's no double standard there's just no standard Michelle Garber says surrendering to political necessity from give a brief speech on Monday to crime white supremacist here now as we've done the last two days I can play an entire companion of trump condemning white supremacism over the last couple of years but that's always ignored he read those words robotically from a teleprompter to another gonna condemn him for it for reading for it from a teleprompter so if you sent from a teleprompter then it doesn't count apparently back then in Charles village she says it took about a day for the awkward mascot minimal decency to drop soon he was ranting about the very fine people among the neo **** never the less on Monday some insisted on pretending it from its words marked a turning point if history is any guide it won't be long before the president returns just waiting racist invective and encouraging jingoistic hatred at his rallies meanwhile everyone should be clear the one from said on Monday wasn't enough I would take a lot more seriously the criticism of the left on these points if I thought they were being honest I do not think they're being honest mainly because they're not being honest first of all there's the deliberate miscalculation of what trump said yesterday the liberal a deliberate misreading of what he said in the past is why get Beto o'rourke out there saying that trump house immigrants animals it is not true he called members Dennis thirteen animals which they act like I'm a thirteen is one of the worst crime syndicates on planet earth how does enough bad stuff you don't have to take them out of context in order to point out he says that stuff the fact that the left have to do so to paint his narrative that he's a white supremacist is pretty astonishing I don't get a lot of sane rational people in the United States who truly believe that trump is a white nationalist the media keep repeating it thank you repeating it over and over and then we are supposed to believe them when they tell us that they.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"On dot com slash go check them out right now get Roman dot com slash already so when Michelle Goldberg says trump is a white nationalist inspires terrorism a first of all there's no evidence from the white nationalist second about Michelle Goldberg has defended people who use awful rhetoric all the time evil rhetoric all the time Michelle Goldberg has a piece in The New York Times by that title the trump is a white nationalist what's the evidence from the white nationalist by the way the district on immigration and what what what exactly the evidence that he has he attempted to expel every black and brown person from the United States or is it he said means stupid bile things about his opponents it seems to me pretty obvious the latter right he it Michelle Goldberg has this has this whole piece about this just this past weekend the fire appeared to rage out of control when a young man slaughter choppers at Walmart el Paso a manifesto he reportedly wrote echo trump's language about an immigrant invasion and Democrats support for open borders it even included the word send them back he told investigators he wanted to kill as many Mexicans as he could now again to take a person who is an evil Walmart shooter and then suggest that trumps opinion logically results in that is patently insane which is why I have said that I don't blame a see you for a crazy person or an evil person using her words about concentration camps to attack an ice the Saudi by Michelle Goldberg apparently would blame from for this but not AOC for the ice detainment facility to which again there's no double standard there's just no standard Michelle Garber says surrendering to political necessity from give a brief speech on Monday to crime white supremacist here now as we've done the last two days I can play an entire compendium of trump condemning white supremacism over the last couple of years but that's always ignored he read those words robotically from a teleprompter to another gonna condemn him for it for reading for it from a teleprompter says he said from a teleprompter then it doesn't count apparently back then in Charles village she says it took about a day for the awkward mascot minimal decency to drop soon he was ranting about the very fine people among the neo **** never the less on Monday some insisted on pretending that trumps words marked a turning point if history is any guide it won't be long before the president returns just waiting racist invective and encouraging and jingoistic hatred at his rallies meanwhile everyone should be clear the one from said on Monday wasn't enough I would take a lot more seriously the criticism of the left on these points if I thought they were being honest I do not think they're being honest mainly because they're not being honest first of all there's the deliberate miscalculation what trump said yesterday the liberal a deliberate misreading of what he said in the past is why yet Beto o'rourke out there saying that trump house immigrants animals in it is not true he called members Dennis thirteen animals which they act like I'm a thirteen is one of the worst crime syndicates on planet earth Tom has enough bad stuff you don't have to take them out of context in order to point out he says bad stuff the fact that the left have to do so to paint this narrative that he's a white supremacist is pretty astonishing I don't get a lot of sane rational people in the United States who truly believe that trump is a white nationalist the media keep repeating it they keep repeating it over and over and then we are supposed to believe them when they tell us that they are objective impartial observers and that's I mean no no on that the double standards in in the the the lack of institutional credibility in the media prevents them from being able to make the argument they want to make here it is that simple minute they they literally are pressuring journal of pressuring journalistic institutions into changing their headlines while proclaiming that they're defending the press from president trump that was the big story today The New York Times changed its front page headline which read it trump urges unity against racism they change that headline because the left blue back on it no there there the lack of honesty means we can't we know there's this sort of can't we all get along feel to to how we should all be in the aftermath of of evil like this we can't all get along if people decide to cynically use instances of evil to tar and feather one entire side of the political spectrum and to use trump's worst moments to find anyone who voted for trump or for that matter to tired from with with that mass shooting Hey it's two things can be troll once trucking is vile language raise a language that I find to be on occasion yes racist and on occasion we just gross and still they can be not responsible for a white supremacist mass murder at a Walmart now Paso affected media refused to make that distinction speaks to a broader agenda media are trying to push that is wildly dishonest.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on The Argument
"I'm Michelle Goldberg. I'm Rostow third. I'm David Leonhardt. And this is the argument this week, Michelle has a conversation with someone to her left, about the future of the Democratic Party. Here's a division between those with class Rugova vision of change, and those who want some progressive outcomes, willing to compromise them. Ross Michelle, and I debate the role of socialism in the new democratic part, this new new left is much more politically sensible, and realistic than certain versions that lower the late sixties and early steps, and finally, a recommendation, Michelle are you sure this show is good for you? Boss, Carson car is the founding editor of Jackson and the author of a new book, the socialist manifesto. He's been a vocal advocate for socialism here in the United States for years Michelle sat down with him to talk about where their views a line where they don't and wear. The Democratic Party should be headed after you listen to them Ross, and we'll be back in a second segment to talk more broadly about socialism, here are Michelle and bus car. You know on this podcast, I am always arguing with people.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on The Ben Shapiro Show
"Pretending otherwise is an artificial exercise, particularly if it's just in the service of making a better judgment about electability some enthusiasm for Biden is January. If not passionate often when people I spoke to at the rally described him as safe they meant both as a candidate and as a potential leader, fair enough for many voters, what Biden is promising rebuke of Trump and returned to normalcy is what they want more than anything else. And it makes sense for them to back him. What's counterproductive is when voters try to think past their own. Desires Gobert has intensity thing that turns a campaign into a movement matters, that's especially true in the country. It's polarized as ours were turn out as as important as persuasion. Man. I hope the Michelle Goldberg somehow convince his party that she is. Right. That's what I hope is that Michelle Goldberg in that wing of the party decide to destroy the narrative that is being built brick by brick by the Democrats in congress, and by Joe Biden, on the other side in favor of somebody so woke them show Goldberg is happy, but the rest of America's alienated time for some things, I like, and then some things that I hate so time the thing that I like today. So there is a great book with basically, all justices Justice Scalia writing Justice Scalia. Of course, one of the great writers in the history of the supreme court, the they've now, taken some of his writings, and they've compiled them, along with essays from other people about Scalise thinking into a little booklet called on faith lessons from an American believer. The forward is by Justice. John justice. Thomas is edited by Christopher Scalia and Edward Ed Waylon at the over at one of the foundations was named escapes me right now the book is really great for people who are of faith. It's a great reminder of why you believe certain things Scully. It's reminder that Scalia was not just a great thinker that he was a good man who tried to live a virtuous life and intellectually rich life as well. And tells reminder that the sort of scorn that so many people in the intelligence, you have for people faith is totally unjustified. If you truly believe you're living in New York, or LA or something, and you truly believe that. You are a higher. I q person than Justice Scalia or a better thinker than Justice Scalia. Because Justice Scalia was one of these rooms believes in the whole Jesus thing, read the book, and I challenge you to think beyond your own boundaries, by the way, I'll I always encourage people who are faith to read, atheist books and think beyond their boundaries as well. But I've never really run into religious, people who are averse to listening to thinkers on the other side. It's very rare to find somebody who's who's in eighth a militant atheist, who's willing to at least hear the argument on the other side. It's why I treasure my friendships with people like Michael Shurmur, who is easiest, or at least an agnostic, who is who's interested in having those conversations. In any case, go check out on faith by Antonin Scalia. It really is a great book. It's, it's only a couple of hundred pages. It's pretty quick read. Okay. Time for some things that I hate. Okay, things that I hate today. So AFC and, and her fellow Democrats are constantly complaining that we don't want them to be able to speak. This is so confusing has anybody in the right tried to. Silence. ANC or L Hannah. Amar like really tried to silence them not that I'm aware of in fact, every time they say something, we sort of Trump it, because what they say is so in unerringly silly so AO though claims that the opposition is afraid when she speaks if that were the case should not be very famous person right now that lack of fear fellowship is exactly what the opposition does fear that. And anytime Rashida or Ilhan speak. They're scared to myself included. And you know, it is great that they got more than they bargained for low. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. We're so scared. When I speak. I'm particularly scared when she starts talking about about shrivels. Here's AFC yesterday. She must be silenced. We must silence her. This is deeply frightening stuff..
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on This Week with George Stephanopoulos
"And now, of course, also suggesting that the New York Times should be punished for publishing, and he went right at the New York Times. Michelle Goldberg, of course right for that. That page and a lot of questions also for the New York Times coming out of that, especially what this definition of senior administration officials, they can be quite an elastic definition. I'm I'm not. not. Think I'm, you know, they didn't tell you who it is. No, I wish they did. And I certainly, I certainly. And I certainly, you know, begged my editor, but I don't think she knows either. I think it's a pretty closely held secret within the organization, but it does raise the question Chris, Christie about just how serious this is. It's it's quite a different thing. If this were member of the cabinet or one of the assistance the president versus say a deputy assistant secretary of state, will you not spoke about this on Thursday? And I think it's only become clear since then with the denials that we've seen that it's more likely than not now that this senior administration official in all that senior at all. And the fact is that if they're not, then you don't know how much real interaction they've had with the president, what they really know what they're saying. The second or third hand information. Go ahead say first of all, I don't know necessarily that the person who wrote this, if you ask them would say, oh, you've got me. It was me right? I'm not sure how seriously taken denials. Right. Exactly. I mean, Mark fell also denied being deep throat many, many, many times before it came out. He actually was and and also I think, what do we have? I don't know what the number of the denials is, but there are a lot of people with very senior crucial roles in the administration of both the White House, the State Department, national security to say that it's not one of these dozen or two dozen people doesn't tell you anything about how senior this person and the way it does tell you senior this person. John Kelly, you don't think that that's that. That's listen. I don't know. I what I'll tell you is that the people who have denied so far in the list of people who have denied encompassed almost all the people that you and I would determine our senior administration. Actually, one of the one of the persuasive pieces I saw it was by we'll Salatin slate who said, who suggested it could have been investor. Jon Huntsman the Russian, the investor to Russia and his denial was a little squishy. But beyond that point, I want to bring this to Stephanie is what you combine, not only the op-ed, but what the person was saying in the about how a series of people who reported this resistance combine that with the reporting in Bob Woodward. He details people working against the president. That is pretty shocking. It's pretty shocking. It's nothing that we didn't already know. You know, just to go back to it annoyed Gary Cohn was stealing. All right, but we knew exactly where Gary Cohn stood on. This was one of the reasons he resigned. You know, I think there are lots of I've worked in two white houses under two different presidents. There are a lot of serious people that work in that building a lot of people, serious person, people that work across administrations that our senior that you've never heard of. It could be any one of them. And I think what they're detailing is what we all suspected, that this president is not up to the job. The question is, what's the purpose of that op-ed that that op Ed is not contributing really to the discussion, and they're not profiles encourage and standing up and saying, I'm going to do something about this..
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on I Have To Ask
"Learn more at slack dot com. Few made anything of the fact that if you look at, if you look at data, it seems like from a lot of the primary elections we've had and just pulled that a that, it seems like the specific specific aspects of Trump that have motivated a lot of Democrats and. You know, independent, democratic leaning independence has you. We really seen huge upticks in turnout figures in areas. Lot of suburban areas, a lot of areas with white liberal women less. So as far as we can tell in minority areas with a lot of Latino voters, a lot of young voters, seeing the same jump and enthusiasm that we've seen in among suburban women in the groups you've been talking about, what have you made of that you think that you think that there is something that's interested me that in in what we've seen so far that we haven't seen that same jump in all aspects of the Democratic Party? Yeah, I mean, and and I think it's something that people need to turn around and I think you know some of the candidates out there homeless exciting like Stacey Abrams who's running for governor in Georgia, you know, is putting a huge amount of energy into registering and reaching like rural effort, African American and African American women in particular in that state, you know. But I think part of it is that somebody actually. It has to go out and reach them speak to them. And so African American women, I mean, African American women are the reason that we have Doug Jones instead of ROY Moore, right? So they are people are still turning out, but I've seen those Latino enthusiasm gap there. That's all there. Also, the reason Latino voters are probably a huge part of the reason that Betto Aurora cuz shot in in Texas. But I've seen the same figures that you're talking about. I think particularly in Florida, and I do wonder if part of the things thing about these resistance women, these kind of, you know, suburban white liberals is just an, I don't say this in a bad way. I'm trying to think of think of a word that doesn't have as pejorative connotation as entitlement, but they do have a sense of like this government is supposed to work is supposed to represent me rate. So one thing I've heard a lot of times when I've gone out to various destroy. Trix is that a lot of these women, you know, they woke, they woke up. They were like really scared, right? I was really scared the day after the election, I felt like incredibly unstable, like they were giving the keys to the most powerful nation on earth to this, you know, lunatic and they went to their members of congress office and they expected them to meet with them and hear their concerns, and they wanted to talk to them about even if they were Republicans, they kind of wanted to talk to them about like, where were they willing to check Trump and what were they willing to do? And they were really shocked when these Republican members of congress refused to meet with them right. Maybe a, you know, someone who is poor or minority wouldn't be so shocked. It wouldn't even occur to them to kind of expect the members of congress to me with them and hear their concerns. But these are people who were stunned to be treated as kind of dismissively. Contemptuously as these members of congress treated them, and then organized very quickly to try to get new members of congress. Right? So these are people who are used to having a degree of agency in their community who all the sudden are being treated. You know, maybe the way a lot of other people in the community have always been treated. That's yeah, that's a. That's an interesting answer. I I wanted to ask also when you talk to some of the groups you were talking about, I think that a lot of the mainstream media coverage which is cliche about the Democratic Party. But one of the ways it's being talked about now is kind of this this debate between kind of younger more left wing Democrats and kind of the party establishment which is older and seen as more centrist. Is that something that you feel is is I think it's easy to kind of overstate the degree to which these fights are ideological at the ground on the ground because most people are not super ideological most voters. And I was wondering if you think that kind of the debate we've been. Seeing, especially after a Cossio Cortez's win in New York state that New York City. I should say that these debates going on on the ground in the Democratic Party or ideological in some way or more kind of sociological in character, logical about sort of new faces verse old faces about being kind of more pugnacious, things like that. Yeah, I think it's the latter and I would add that it's like generational and there's a sort of insider outsider thing, right? So that. You know. So for example, when I was in Pennsylvania, the same people were who were canvassing for Connor lamb canvassed for two of the women who to the democratic socialists of America candidates who were elected to state house seats to replace to longtime democratic incumbents. Connor lamb being the guy who wanted Pennsylvania, it's O'Connor lamb, you know, was the sort of like pro gun socially moderate person who ran in a very Trumpy district in rural Pennsylvania. This I met people who had canvassed both for him and we're really excited about him and had also canvassed for these young democratic socialist women and were really excited about them and were really excited just about the idea of new faces in the Democratic Party kind of new energy in the Democratic Party people who would be accountable to the grass roots. And so I feel like on, you know, I was just in Orange County, which is a super interesting place, right? Because Orange County is the birthplace of modern conservatism. You know, I think it was either Forbes or fortune like in the sixties, call it nut country because it was so far right. And now orange, you know, weren't counties where we're Dana. Rohrabacher is district is like Darrell Issa. The bunch of these really vulnerable districts in at least some of them are probably gonna go blue for the first time almost ever. Right? And so but this is these are like rich rich areas. You know where people are just sort of like morally offended by by Donald Trump, but you are not kind of on board with democratic socialists of America, but I couldn't really find anybody. And I certainly I asked people who express any concern about Alexandria, Cossio Cortez or that direction. The Democratic Party is like, all I heard was. You know a, we're really concerned about young people getting out to vote, so that's great. And she's good for our. She's good for her district. Not artist. I want to ask briefly about your new jobs. You've been writing a column for the times now for Helen little over? No, not I. It was last September, so almost a year. Okay. And so you right twice a week? Yes. And June the job love it. Oh my God. I love it so much. It seems like it would be kind of, you know. I mean, I would I would love to near time to call, but it seems like you know, having to come up with two column ideas a week, it would be kind of exhausting you'd run out of ideas now. I mean, I feel like maybe I mean, I think was if it was purely about me sitting in a room trying to squeeze ideas out of my brain would run out of them, but there's so much happening. You know, there's there's kind of its of such a fertile time you know to to be writing, right? There's kind of always something to me. There's a challenge to kind of balance, like writing off the news versus trying to write something that is a little bit more off the radar or how much to do like. Reporting over a few days when often you're going to have to discard it at the last minute because something bunkers happens that you feel like you have to respond to. But there's been very few days when I've like woken up on a column day and been like, oh, fuck would do right. Well, but I mean you were saying you're someone who before you went to the times kind of did a lot of different types of writing. You did reported stuff, and you also did kind of column writing Juve's kinda some theory of column writing that you know one out of three should be reported or one out of three should be on a cultural subject rather than politics, or do you kind of think about that in your head at all, or not really. And I think maybe I haven't been there long enough, like maybe once like it still feels like it's weird that you said over a year because it still feels like a new job to me. And so I don't have any kind of big over arching like formula. Maybe I'll develop one, you know, if I'm lucky enough to stay there that long. There's been a debate at the times and other play. Other websites and publications about kind of how much publications that are perceived as being centrist or liberal about how much kind of conservative commentary that they should be publishing and what kind of conservative arguments and whether people representing pro-trump arguments should be part of the debate at these publications. And it seems like the way the times broadly speaking has dealt with it is having several regular conservative columnists and also having kind of outside up ED's that often take a conservative or non liberal point of view. But at the same time, not really running pro-trump columns or commentary. I was wondering if you think that what you think of kind of that strategy of what you think of that strategy and Jewish there was more pro-trump commentary. Do you wish there was less conservative country? What? How do you think about it? Well, so I don't want to say anything about the broader strategy because it just feels like outside of my wheelhouse. I think that there's a fundamental challenge in representing conservative argument right now because and I wrote this in a column before that, like it. It used to be this cliche of politics that politics was war of ideas. And now all the people who believe in ideas are on one side, and then there's the Trump people on the other right for whom ideas are at best. Third of tools to use to to manipulate people, but they're not really invested in their invested. I think in their invested in in race, they're invested in a vision of how America should look, but there's they're not invested in ideology in the same way except for somebody like say, you know, Richard Spencer or maybe the people who have ideas right now that people have pro-trump ideas are people who are generally beyond the pale, right? He's, he's not going to get a times call him so so if you try to think try to think of a pro-trump person who is neither racist nor dishonest, I mean, can you think of someone. I mean, it's a pro-trump. I mean, I, I, I'm sure there by dishonest. They don't mean that they're making arguments that I don't agree with. I mean that they're making arguments that I don't think they agree with or that they don't really care whether or not what they say is true rate. Like inexperience. I've had several times, you know, I do. I do a fair amount of lake TV stuff rate. And so you'll be sitting next to, you know, often on MSNBC worships liberals, but sometimes I'm on TV with conservatives in you'll, you'll be sitting next to someone who will be kind of rolling their eyes about Trump and talking about him very dismissively. And then the cameras come on in their defending him right that that what is the value in publishing that argument that's not even believed by the person who's making it, you know? And so it's again the people. There's either people who are kind of defending him just like for purely cynical, mercenary reasons, or there are people who have truly indefens-. Abuse, right? I mean, the closest person you could come to maybe threading that needle. Right? Like an intellectually honest case for Trumpism is probably Michael Anton. So Michael Anton wrote the flight ninety three election under a pseudonym in the run-up to the campaign, basically saying like America was going down because of unfettered immigration that America was. On this past disaster and that maybe you couldn't trust Trump. The only strategy now is to like storm the cockpit, and then he became a Trump national security official. I forget exact title since he left to he has. He wrote this piece recently for the Washington Post about why we should why the president should issue an executive order. I can't remember exactly what the mechanism was, but some kind of unilateral attempt to revoke birthright citizenship, which was crazy and extremely racist. But I think is about as close as you're going to get to a sort of mainstream intellectually sincere Trump est column. It's a, would you do with that? I think it's a genuine challenge yet, and I think it's also a challenge for anti-trump conservatives because I think it's, I mean them writing anti-trump collinses. One thing that we've seen. And that's fine. They should do that if they oppose the president, but it's also you know, one role of conservatives in a sort of healthy democratic society should be to explain why conservative position Xs good or why liberal policy why should be moderated in some way or whatever it is and it just because what's coming out of the White House because of what's coming out of the conservative administration out of Washington is so dishonest in so many ways because there's nothing to really sink your teeth into I, I think that's been a real challenge for them to. Yeah. I mean, like I said, you know this, it used to be a truism that politics was a war of ideas that the conservative movement was saturated with ideas. And you know, they had all sorts of think tanks and training programs. And you know, journals designed to inculcate this whole intellectual philosophy that at least in theory, undergird at their policies and Trump has just like in a second rendered the all of that relevant. Yeah. And I mean. Bring this full circle. I mean, we were, you were saying earlier about people on the left that it's often less ideological than you think. I think one of the things we realized about conservatives is that I think a lot of liberals may be thought that there was this huge part of the country that was completely conservative in completely dedicated to conservative principles, and that was what's most important to them. It turns out they were mostly in it for the racism on that note, Michelle Goldberg is a columnist for the New York Times, and she writes twice a week on Tuesday. What other data rate disdain, Friday, Tuesday, and Friday. And you can read her there and shop. Thank you so much today. Thanks for having me and that's our show for today I have to ask is produced by max Jacobs special. Thanks to Seinfeld lover. TJ Rafael for extra help at the sleet studios in Brooklyn. If you have an idea for guest or you just want to let me know your thoughts. Email me at Ascot sleet dot com. 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"michelle goldberg" Discussed on I Have To Ask
"Comes to an end eventually, this will come to an end. I suppose it some. Yeah. At some point, it will come to an end. I guess I meant come to an end not from an election, but from something else like impeachment and removal from office or something like that. Maybe we disagree. I didn't mean to imply that people were were sitting on their hands or people were not being active. I definitely think they are, but I do think that people a lot of people on the left, heavy false sense of how difficult it will be that the next scandal will bring him down. This will finally be the thing that kind of turns people against him. I do feel that that sense is out there, and I think the media is at some degree to blame. I mean, if you turn on MSNBC or CNN or you go to websites like like Slade or like a lot of liberal websites, every bit of news is blown up into a big story and it seems like unprecedented in sort of how terrible it is and what's happening. And I do think that's right. I agree. It's right and I, but I also think I'm not. I'm not saying that these things are not. You know, there are many, many. Things have come out in the Russia investigation that normal administration we would be so shocked by. I totally agree that they're big stories, but I do think it's giving people a sense that the next you know, at some point he's going to be brought down. The scandals will bring him down because I feel like right. It feels like like it always feels like something has to give right. There's like, and the tension of of something to something has to give, but never does. And so you just feel this mounting mounting mounting tension that then? Yes, people feel like eventually there's going to be some sort of cathartic moment when it's revealed to all, and it's no longer deniable you know, kind of what disgusting things he's done. I think that revelation is actually gonna come. The question is how much it will matter given our kind of current political dynamics. Right? I mean, that's the thing about the supposed n word tape that was rumored for a long time going back to two thousand fifteen or sixteen, I guess, was that you know, this would end his candidacy and so on. Now it's like, okay, they'll be a tape and it'll be a bad story for two weeks, but sort of hard to conceive of your country and where politics are that. It doesn't feel anymore. Like it would be the end now, I don't think, you know, I don't think it would be the end, but I also don't have quite as much fatalism about it as some people. I mean, I think it would be damaging and there's a lot of there's like a slow accumulation of damage, right? He's really unpopular he's only president and only able to work his will because of the anti-democratic counter majoritarian structures of our government. But at a certain point, even those can be overcome. And so it's not that I think that you know sixty three million Trump voters are like he's racist. Well, that's a bridge too far, but you know, I think there are a lot of Republicans who are a lot of Trump voters who really don't see anything short of saying that word as racism and who also feel very strongly that it's. Unfair to accuse them of racism. It'll make. It'll make that cognitive dissonance the cognitive dissonance of trying to justify Trump or trying to explain why why the Trump movement is not racist a little bit harder. It'll I think it'll peel off a couple of people and you know, at a certain point, it's like only with the slow erosion will make this thirty percent presidency unsustainable debt. And you know when elections come down to ninety thousand voters and three states or whatever, whatever the exact numbers were last time. Yeah, eighty thousand eighty thousand. Yeah, I want to switch gears a little bit and talk about the Democratic Party which you've been writing about in several columns and doing some reporting on. What's your sense broadly, speaking of kind of where the Democratic Party is right now we're talking, you know about ninety days before the midterms, Democrats are up ahead that eight points. I would say seven eight points in generic congressional ballot polls. And there seemed there were just some elections in Wisconsin and. And other primaries around the country, where do you kind of see the Democratic Party right now? So whenever I'm in New York, I can like work myself into the state of like really bleak despair. And then I go out and travel and meet. You know, it's not even as early Democratic Party activists as much as like indivisible activists, or, you know, democratic socialists of America chapters are people. You know, these sort of grassroots groups that have sprung up since the election are just doing so much work and it just, it always makes me feel like so much more hopeful about the future. Right? There's I mean, just you meet them everywhere, particularly, you know, you hear the same story over and over again of these middle aged women who they voted, but they didn't necessarily pace super close attention to primaries, you know, maybe they had to look up with congressional district. They were in and who woke up the day after the election and were so. Shattered, and you know, kind of looked around for somewhere they could go and found, you know, either an offshoot of pantsuit nation or local indivisible meaning, and you meet these women and they go to meetings now four or five nights a week. They have all new friends. They are just like astonishing organizers. And they have such here kind of using this intense local knowledge that they have. You know, you can't replicate that when it comes to canvassing somebody who just like knows everyone on the block and when they get home. And you know when like a wife might be persuadable, even for husband, isn't that? So you see that being deployed everywhere. And that I think is why you're seeing these, you know, numbers in some of the special elections, these swings that are even bigger than the swings you see on the generic ballot. And so an and also it's just, you know, kind of infusing the party with all this new energy, you have all of these candidates, you probably wouldn't have run. In a normal cycle, you have all of these women candidates and the research about women candidates in general, is that women are less likely to kind of envision themselves as a member of congress or Senator right. They don't really necessarily aspire to be politicians. They're more likely to enter politics because they want to do a specific thing or because like a specific thing has motivated them. So this specific disaster of Trump has just forced all of these really interesting high quality people into the candidate pool. And so I think the Democratic Party is smart. 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"michelle goldberg" Discussed on I Have To Ask
"The following podcast contains explicit language. I have to ask, I might as chart my guest today is Michelle Goldberg and op Ed columnist at the New York Times. Prior to joining the newspaper, she worked at the nation and right here at slate where we will briefly colleagues, and she's also written books on everything from reproductive rights to yoga. Since you joined the paper, she's been writing about a number of current topics, including the Russian investigation cleavages in the Democratic Party and the metoo movement. Michelle Goldberg joins me now from sleet studios in New York. Hi machelle. I thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. So I was actually going to start with something else. But before we before we recorded, I made a joke about Moroshima. And you said you thought the soap opera that were? We're watching his actually pretty interesting. It might be overstated to say that though, Marissa's soap operas interesting. But what I do think is significant is that you know, since this whole kind of Dibango began rates and ever since this administration started, I've been sort of waiting for who the defectors. Gonna be, you know, and it seemed like there is a huge open market for the first person to come out of this administration and tell us what a catastrophe it is, which everybody knows that a lot of people in it think it's a catastrophe because they, you know, kind of tell journalists off the record, but nobody is sort of come out guns blazing like George Stephanopoulos with Clinton, or I forget the name of George W Bush's spokesperson who wrote a tell all book. Maybe it's a little early, but I also knew did for from treasury or he didn't write it. But he, you know, there was somebody anyway. So I've been waiting for that person because these aren't people who are particularly loyal to Trump there, trashing their reputation, and there's just like an opening in the market and it hasn't come and it's been surprising as to why think we now know that one of the reasons is because they're locking people up with these hush money deals and NDA's. But so Omarosa I feel like is the first person you know, as unreliable. Able as she is as craven and Venus, she is. She's the first person to do the right thing and come out of this administration and tell us as much as she can about what's going on. And obviously she's not a reliable narrator, but you almost doesn't have to be because she has recordings. And so you know, I mean the the bar for kind of most honorable. Former Trump appointee is extraordinarily low, but I feel like Omarosa clears it will will interesting to me about that is you have people in the administration or you had people need ministration who've left Gary Cohn h. r. McMaster Dina. Powell people who were called the adults in the room who were considered to have more centrist politics. People who I think it was kind of assumed deep down found Trump gross or not suited to be president in some way, and they've all kept quiet. And so what's interesting is sort of maybe this is another example of kind of the rottenness of the establishment as it existed before Trump is you don't have these people coming out and saying anything, and instead you have. Maroon. And sorry, I'll let you speak, but you also Steve Bannon who has been talking to reporters and clearly gave Michael Wolff, however, believable, you've found that book a ton of information. Some of which made the White House look bad. So it hasn't been anyway. Yeah. No. I mean, I think it's like a a source of profound national shame that people are leaving this administration, you know, like ERI Cohen, like Dina Powell like Marc short and being sort of reabsorbed into plate society when they should be shunned until they at least come clean about what they've seen. But there's there's research actually about kind of who whistled blowers are likely to be. I press wrote a book about this about kind of people who break ranks and the people who break ranks are not. They're not really like sort of cynical individualist as you might think I can class there. People who are true believers and then feel the trade, right? And so I think in some ways, maybe one reason there hasn't been that many of those. People in Trump world is because they are also incredibly cynical incorrupt. Right? I mean, the closest thing to a true believer in Trump is a might in fact be somebody like Steve Bannon, you know. And so for that reason, it sort of makes sense that you don't have kind of people who feel like this thing they believed in didn't live up to their aspirations or rate. You just don't have that because because it's just a big gripped. Yeah, and but get. No, I think that that's right. And I also I also think though that you talk about people being kind of reabsorbed into into play society and it does feel like one of the constant themes of the past year and a half, whether it was Charlottesville or something else is that there's a sense of or kids at the border being separated. There's a sort of sense occasionally that things cannot go on that this is beyond the pale that the people who did this need to be kind of socially sanctioned or punished in some way, and then you kind of get back to normal and see. A ios dropout, and then they meet with Trump again, you know, push Charlottesville or people will briefly speak up about children being separated, but it nothing seems to last for a long time, and that's that's one of the alarming things I think yet. No. I mean, I absolutely agree, and I think, yeah, what happens is that partly it's just it's hard to maintain the state of appropriate outrage and horror right that this administration desert Ziming you just can't live in that state of of heightened emotional. The time, it's really hard into people sort of revert to normal or something kind of akin to normal with this sense of unease in the background, and then every once in a while, something happens that makes it impossible to forget the fact that we have this, you know, disgusting. Thorpe -tarian, wait nationalist regime. That's, you know, kind of destroying everything about that was ever good about this. Country root and branch, and all of a sudden everybody kind of mobilizes, but it just it. It never sustains and party. I wonder if part of the reason it never sustains is because there's so much impotence like we'll, it'll be interesting to see what happens after November, if Democrats win, and there's finally something that can be done right that you can have like a new set of hearings. And you said investigations and he said of subpoenas, instead of just, you know, protests and calling your congressman well. So I actually, this actually connects to something else I wanted to talk to you about. You said this idea that nothing can be done and what I found when I talk to people, especially people on the left is there's this weird dichotomy at one level you of this hopelessness about where things are this real depression about where the country is and the sense of I can't focus on it every minute because it's just too awful. At the same time. I've also found what I consider at least real kind of. Of naive hopefulness about this is all going to be over at some point and Trump is going to get removed from office or he will be impeached or the Mueller investigation is going to somehow take him down. And I do feel talking to people there. There is this real sense out there that at some level, you know, this is going to come crashing down and I don't think that's the case. I'm wondering if you feel like you've felt that to that, that there is a sense of that. I think we have no idea, right? I don't think there's anything wrong with holding out that hope. I mean, it's bad to hold out that hope if it stops you from doing things in the present, right? Because ultimately it's the people who've been super mobilized and who are potentially going to elect a new congress, who could bring this thing to an end or at least contain it. And so in as much as people think that Muller is gonna be summed Muller's going to kind of swoop down from the sky, and you know they're all going to go to jail. If that's if people are kind of complacent, but I don't get the sense that people are complete. Isn't. I mean everywhere I go, there's just this unbelievable amount of political activity in organizing going on at the same time. I don't think it's, I think it could all come crashing down, you know, eventually it will all come crashing down in one way or the other, you know, in part because just because there's so much criminality and also so much incompetence like I, I remember. With George W Bush when the worship and the sort of parallel reality around his supporters. It may be wasn't quite as is intense, but it was pretty bad and in some way, and it was also oppressive because it had a lot more cultural sanction right there was like a lot more taboo about speaking out against him in the warrant terror. I mean, if you look at what happened to the Dixie chicks and canoe us saying that those a huge deal saying Bush unclear about black, but that was much leader rate. So by the time that it happened that had started a crack. I remember really well being at the conservative political action conference. It was after his reelection when you could just feel the support like draining away, you could just feel people kind of giving up on their allusions about this man. And I think that that will happen eventually. But I mean, God help us all if it doesn't happen until he's reelected. I feel like. The damage will be. Permanent. But eventually, I mean, everything comes
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"She'll be eight when he leaves office, and they'll think about what the fact of having this man and this administration is. Kind of a formative experience for their child. What's what that's going to do to their understanding of American leadership that's going to do to their understanding of what's acceptable for men? I mean, people are disgusted Margie. You mention a women's issues, abortion being one of them, and I wonder what you think about the fact that this is the gender gap right now, which is around twenty twenty five points, particularly among young women. It's really, really wide. What a big hearing that highlights the possibility of rogue being overturned is going to do to that as we head towards the midterms. Yes. So we did a poll for narrow. National abortion rights action league of suburban women who live in battleground, congressional districts who are not strong partisan. So neither strong Democrats, strong Republicans and not only are these women, no matter how he has the question, including Republican women. In this group, say that they support abortion rights. They also say it's going to be a bigger driver. Further vote, they say, Democrats are more likely to say the Republicans in this group that they are. They want to know how the next supreme court Justice feels about abortion, and this is a hugely important issue if had other than other work looking supreme court. The next pick and the next nominee and people say they don't want a court that is out of balance. They don't want to court. That's too political. That just moves things farther to the right and and just infects yet another branch with this political divide that we see all over the country, and it is going to be a really big issue quickly. The optics are going to be clear to right, and I think that it's not clear yet to most women how endangered row is, but it's going to be absolutely agree. Margie Michelle Goldberg. Thank you being here before we go from my nightly reminder about our podcast, why.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
"That exclusive interview with president trump and now murdoch's fox news is poised for another exclusive this time with ladimir putin right after monday's meeting meanwhile back here at home trump's justice department is still tangling with cnn's new parent company at and t you'll remember a judge ruled in favor of at and t bind cnn and the rest of time warner about a month ago but now the doj is appealing which once again raises questions about political meddling aka is trump using his government to punish his foes and help out his friends one thing's for sure murdoch definitely benefited from the doj's appeal against at and t we know that murdoch is speaks with trump all the time but now he has another linked to the white house through former fox news executive bill shine a few weeks ago shine was well basically unemployed but now he's the dead petty chief of staff for communications and he's on the list for the helsinki summit but his new role role is deserving of scrutiny chime was forced to resign from fox news last year medalla gatien's that he covered up sexual harassment by his boss roger ailes china's denied the allegations but his appointment at the white house has been met with criticism from both sides of the aisle michelle goldberg has the right about that she's not bad comments with the new york times who covers politics gender religion and ideology the tunnel of your column michelle i think kinda says it all we can put it on screen you said it's all about lying back and taking it america you're saying that's what the trump white house expects us to do i mean this is so shocking and actually think that five months even five months ago i don't think that trump could have gotten away with hiring this person who again was to complicit in sexual harassment for fox news.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter
"To have is michelle goldberg the new york times put it i thought very jointly you are literally gonna have people saying okay this guy was did too much to cover up his record on sexual assault was so bad that he couldn't survive on fox news but it's just right for the trump white house that is what you want people to be able to say about you in the mid term that is what you want people to be able to say about you in the general election this is not a good idea and it is not it does not speak a healthy white house i was thinking with the pruitt thing with shine thinking about when the obama administration turned tom daschle loose for some very minor regulate irregularities on his taxes now whether they kinda lose two quick or not you can you can argue about that but they didn't you wanted to shore up your abilities you did not want to give people unnecessary ways to attack you does not strike me in retrospect having been a dumb idea but i think the trump had ministrations become so used to being attacked and some ways so delights in it that they can't even hear when somebody's making a good point anymore and so they end up porting a kind of controversy that does not in fact serve them rather than doing the the many many many things they could do to strengthen his position the tweet you mentioned from from junior said on your marks get set hard how long till the liberal media and snowflakes start taking shots at the great bill shine and of course was an hour after being appointed but we all knew this was coming for a week there south have been taken down trump junior knew this was all about he was news for covering up sexual i mean it's not like people to work really hard here kicked out of fox news for covering up sexual assault but as i've been saying verger is almost complete between the trump white house and fox news at least between the protrump talk shows on fox news.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on The Michael Knowles Show
"Tapper par excellence in recent years flax for democrats in the new york times michelle goldberg an op ed columnist wrote a piece called quote i believe one meter now she actually goes further in this piece than her co partisans and she defends the democrats at the time but she says there are plenty of reasons to disbelieve pulled while the jones some of the accusers at cetera but nevertheless we should throw bill under the bus now because he hasn't useful does anymore it isn't just bill clinton though democrat antitrump fanatic louis c k has gone down anthony wiener very famously has gone down bizarrely jon stewart was good friends even a roommate with both of them here is jon stewart talking about louis ck his good friend and colleague c k has been accused of and has admitted lewd acts involving women what was the impact on you when you heard not only the the accusations but his admission john i think it necessary that's right is that what what is your hey john's i'm going to put you on the spot with your good friend of decades whom you know very well anyway actually were asked this question last year in you decided depend on it what we what would happen when you found out that he is a sexual pervert how was stunned yeah that's the ticket yeah yeah yeah no that's a ticket i was completely stunned give me a break there is is weird thing with stewart too because he's famously been good friends at louisa k for very long time he obviously knew about this if if everyone else knew about this is good buddy john stewart knew about this but he also was roommate's with anthony wiener so when the first when andrew breitbart broke the anthony wiener sexton scandal or tweeting scandal he ed wouldn't covered on the show he wouldn't cover it for days and days and days and eventually he said well look i'm pals with anthony wiener used to live together in hoboken i believe and eventually he he had to covered who was forced to them so absurd he wasn't covering the most salacious story in politics but a kind of a weird thing the jon stewart is pretty tight with both of the the most extreme sexual deviancy stories in democratic politics in the last decade or two little automatic using of anything but quite a coincidence then of.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"Concern with any sort of tangible out tonight and no agreement about even you know what is actually happening right i mean i'm i could imagine trump looking at us with a straight face they're not looking at us but you'll claiming with a straight face that he's improved that he's that he's boosted funding for reproductive out yeah i i can i can believe that will happen to he looks in the camera analyzed with all the time i am talking to michelle goldberg whose writer for sleet and the new york times were discussing her recent piece about uh the playboy president and women's health i have really found uh a lot of solace in some of your writing about trump and sexual assaults united talked a little bit about this before a million happy to hear that because i sort of you know as we all i think every these kind of groping towards like why is there like what kind of what is their role on this like strange terrible you know this topi and held that we've been living in for the as seven months and i know like the one me site can fit into or the one little need i can meaty try to serve is to like tried to give voice to show many people's um like abject unceasing horror at what is happening which i still feel like hasn't been adequately expressed or processed right i mean it's just we're in the middle of this inconceivable nightmare and on the one hand there's obviously a lot of attention right to the like follies and twaibu that this administration but there's also just like in inevitable normalization and.
"michelle goldberg" Discussed on With Friends Like These
"On the second half the show i talked to michelle goldberg a writer for sleet and the new york times about donald trump and the playboy president and women's health and we focus a great deal on what is liked liberal one's life uh with a president who is a admitted sexual assailant i know many of you have some experience with that and i just wanna be aware of that conversation in case you need to do a little self hair before or after listening but that is our second segment ri segment is with liz capelle she is a conference of sex educator in chicago where i talk to her about the trump administration's cuts to teen pregnancy prevention programs and the only warning i need to give you about that segment is that there is some explicit language involved and explicit two scenarios uh there's a little bit of a discussion sexual assault as well but not nearly as a weighty as the conversation i have with michelle and both those conversations are coming right up so my first guest knows a little something about awkward conversations and this past weekend she woke up to the news that she would be having fewer of them this unlike it might come across to some of us was bad news for liz cabal she is a comprehensive sex education teacher in the chicago area and like the rest of us discovered on saturday by reading the news that the trump administration had cut over two hundred million dollars in funding towards teen pregnancy prevention largely to programs that studied comprehensive sex education.