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408: Cool Scar

If I Were You

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408: Cool Scar

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Jon came up with this so he used the beat to Lil. Jon Mini changed the lyrics. Obviously right that's parody for you but He can plug. Actually we can plug a soundcloud. He has a few things up there. SOUNDCLOUD DOT com slash. DJ's silly string unlike the that's a great great TJ name. Tyler lip is the guy who made it. So thanks tyler. That's a good name to We're back in the same studio. Yeah last week You New York and La Oh yeah this time mean la UNLV. Next time could knows us be in New York. Could we be somewhere else. Actually this brings me to something. I've found remember when we searched recent study just to find recent studies that we can talk about. Yeah found a good one fastest growing and slowest growing growing American cities. So I have the top five bottom five large cities with the highest growth and large cities with the lowest growth. Got It in in case we want to meet somewhere in the middle of next time. Okay I'll throw out a city you tell me is in the top five or bottom five. Okay yeah this I'll just I want to set this up like this should should be easy. Okay is this growth. There's yes like okay Austin Texas bottom five top five number one largest the city with highest gross growth. Thought it was. I thought it had peaked Memphis Tennessee. Bottom bottom lowest largest city with the lowest growth. Nice Milwaukee Walkie. ooh You said that like it's a growing city so I'll say yes. Growth fooled you. It is the lowest group sixty second. You really got my goat Henderson Nevada. Pretty Much Vegas I guess. Love Guess fucking growth. That's correct number. Four FASTEST GROWING LARGE CITY IN AMERICA CLEVELAND. That ain't growing that's correct correct low growth Tulsa Oklahoma grower. nope shore lower. I should say grower or lower Albuquerque Turkey New Mexico grower lower the second to last in the largest city with the lowest growth Seattle Washington. GROWER GROWER CORRECT DENVER. Colorado grower big time correct. And lastly Cleveland Ohio Cleveland. Ohio okay. But lastly did I say Albuquerque. All right we're out top. Five are Austin Miami Seattle Seattle. Or did I say Miami. Say Miami Okay. MIAMI GROW OUR ERECT AUSTIN MIAMI SEATTLE VEGAS DENVER LOWEST FIVE MILWAUKEE CLEVELAND TULSA ALBUQUERQUE IN MEMPHIS. That does totally totally track. except I would switch Memphis in Vegas like Vegas. Seems like it's kind of like had its moment and now it's on its way out and Memphis. Seems like it's Glenn. What about Austin for some reason I thought this was like going to be one of those? Tricky lists where like the towns. That seem bad are actually really good. Because there's like babe bottomed out so you it just grow. Yeah but I guess Austin is still fucking going have you. Have you been in Milwaukee. It's one of the biggest cities we've never been to go. I don't think did we did. We did a show in Madison and we did a show in Jin Haag. Oh but NEVER MILWAUKEE OR CLEVELAND. Actually I have been to Milwaukee on a road trip but a moment. Yeah yeah so that's could be one to figure out and you know you you like doing this. Legs zillow searching. It's like how what can I get for thirty eight thousand dollars Memphis and there's some really Nice mansions that we can buy really into walkie in Milwaukee in Memphis in Albuquerque. All over the place we should i. I remember. There was a time when I tried to convince you to live in Austin with me for for a month. Yeah and you almost did it so I can definitely picture us in this five bedroom. Four bath three thousand square. Where Foot Germantown Memphis Mansion? The entire thing would cost fifty thousand dollars to walk in there and then we would just pay the rest off. Twelve hundred dollar installments. Yeah I wonder like this is slightly unrelated but if instead of doing shows we should just do like meet ups here we go we just via jam and we we do a party for their for the weekend. Yeah and I mean Memphis can't be that bad if I know it's the lowest growing city but it from what I hear it has good barbecue. uh-huh Yeah I've heard that Memphis a cool town I've been there you've been. WE'VE BEEN TO MEMPHIS together. No even in Nashville. We've been to Owen we've been to Knoxville. Yeah Yeah we never been to Memphis. I'VE BEEN TO MEMPHIS. How'd you like it? Well look at this modern chic. That's really cool. That's really modern chic. it was. I had an okay time. I'M IN MEMPHIS Like a cool guy that we met at a Bar Casually dropped the bomb though and it ruins for me. This looks like it was made to Airbnb here. Yeah that's a really us well-designed. Yeah that's that's that should go on an info. Yeah I mean look at this. Oh yeah that is raw tonight. Carbon Pine going to send this to us just in case you WANNA go Dutch on a Dutch oven. That's right we'll fart in this house until we have to leave it. How much house? Three hundred in sixty nine thousand dollars. That's I mean you buy that then you just airbnb this shit. That's what I'm thinking. Keep in mind. It was purchased a year ago for forty five thousand dollars so they really put a lot of work. They've flipped at. They've let you do that. Would you go in on some random property with me. Would you buy a place in Austin and then be like a just a property manager together while the problem is like we need to be the people that bought it for forty five grand and sold it for three seventy seventy will or you can be the people that buy three seventy and and have like an AIRBNB or Vr B. O. Racket. And but it's made like thirty grand a year but but it seems like we're buying. Hi there the three seventy seems like now. It's on the high end because somebody put in like one hundred grand worth of work right but I don't know how to do this. Shit in Memphis will so I just want to take these photos. Send to somebody else and be like I'll give you one hundred thousand dollars to do. I've asked you to do this with me in L. A.. Yeah but in. La It's pricey. It's too expensive in Memphis. It seems like it's easier. I mean this place is all we need is a guy on the ground. We needed in Memphis. WHAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MEMPHIS? We could do it in any any American city. That has a low low. Yeah it CAN EITHER BE IN MEMPHIS ALBUQUERQUE CLEVELAND MILWAUKEE OR TULSA although no no you can do it anywhere like you could buy a really cheap shitty house in Portland and you have more more margins. The the you're playing with your playing with the big boys then. Yeah but it seems like. Everything's everything's more expensive in Portland than say Albuquerque. Yeah that's true. But there's just nothing sexy about owning property in Albuquerque. What about the name Alba Queer Queer? She accused for the price of one did all right. Let's go back to our actual jobs which is making fucking podcast. I guess this is if I were you. The only advice podcast cast on the web hosted by us. I'm a mere. I'm Jake We got some more of course. Some more godparents Freda or Godchildren free to sort through early. But let's let's I try to answer some questions. God we're expanding too fast. We're now a real estate slash adoption agency PODCASTS. Let's focus on our bread. Eddine Butter Actually we have a question about bread and butter. Well not really bread and butter more about bumble. But let's see if we can help US personnel and I have a quandary writes. This lady will call her. Who's what's a city? That sounds like a woman's name Helena. That's really good. Those fast the I should say I didn't edit that out. You named you named Helena. That quickly right Helena rights I I have a quandary and I believe you guys the only once qualified to help. I've been working in the front desk at a gym for about three years now. And at this point I have a pretty good gauge on. What on when members find me attractive? Attractive my shifts. His workouts have not coincided until sorry. I've had accused crush on this members since I started my job. My shifts in his workouts have not coincided until a few months ago. Now I see him twice a week and I decided I would try to seize the cheese and be extra friendly and engaging with him. He's always polite in answering my questions but never makes conversations of his own. I I cannot tell if he is shy or hates me. This leads me to my problem. It's one. Am in an INSOMNIAC insomnia. KS And in and in an INSOMNIAC Somsak Hayes. I went on bubble. Open the APP and this is the first person I see. I swipe right and we matched however this is a situation. I don't know if this is a situation. Where Hugh swiped right to see if you would match with me or if he's actually interested? I'm also mad because it's fucking bumble so I have a message. Him Within Twenty four hours is it always the black and white if a person loves you. Do you think he's interested. Should I pretend this never happened. Should I say something. I R L if so what is it is it even that deep. I don't WanNa make them uncomfortable when it comes to the gym. Ll has a similar situation ever happened to you. What would you do if you're me? Yes I'm twenty one and he's twenty five things reading what is what is Gabriel. Save every word that all of our emails could just be relax. She's freaking out. Yeah you're freaking out you know it rings true to me is the merging with someone in. Irl Do you bring it up or not right now. It feels to me. It feels like if you're nervous and if your awkward and if you feel like this is going to be weird it's way easier to like make a joke on but that's bringing it up over tax. Not In person I see but you. Oh It's more awkward to me too like match with him. Never say anything and then you'll never know what the deal is and then you then you see him in person and it's like it's weird So you would bring it up if you saw the gym like Hey bumble buddy like oh God no you say why do I even message him. She's saying do I message or do I bring it up. Irl don't bring up our L.. I mean message but message before you see him only has twenty four hours fucking released this podcast right now. What does she he said today? What if she sees him before she messages? Do you bring it up only has twenty four hours. Now you're freaking out like she is actually this is is really worth freaking out over. You have to mess on bumble not. Irl It's weird to do it irl you you can't even bring it up jokingly no live you both know it's not this. I think avoiding it is even more weird. How are you you both know that the the match what happened? Yeah but I mean there's no escaping it being weird not bringing it up as weird bring you up is weird. It's all going to be strange and that's why you have to message in first before you actually messaging. I is it always black and white. If a person likes you. Do you think he's interested. He's definitely interested to swipe. Yeah if he was uninterested he would do no. I think there's no such thing as black and white like about with people like you because it's all to varying degrees like I could be Blake sorta interested in this person but not if they're not interested in me I wouldn't chase them but then like if they like me. Then maybe that's a little sexier. Maybe I'm more excited. You know there's just like and maybe you are interested in hooking up but not seriously dating you know there's just so many different shades. Should she mention the gym in the mets message to him or do you act dumb. No I think you should. If it's me I would. My first message would be like a joke about the gym. Not like not like hey or whatever not like don't make it seem like you are actually interested listed just make it seem like. I know that you're from the gym. That's all all right and then it's up to him to flirt back and then because she doesn't know you know what his intentions are this gives us another reminder to say. Send us your text message situations your debates. You're such your Sticky places in which you don't know what to respond or funny conversations conversations you've had on these APPS and or messages so we can read and reenact some on the right to get any Not yet but that episode just went up today. Oh that's yeah. Yeah that'll be. Why send him on down? Send those screengrabs video screengrabs on iphones. Now take audio. They before. The video grabs didn't now they they do. That's cool just a little tip. That'll help us promote our patriotic. Even better now. That's what I'm talking about all right. This guy is a toothbrush question from Berkeley Lee California. So we'll call him me. Shmuel Shmuel new longtime listener. first-time problem have a twenty three year. Old Guy Living with two roommates my best friends from Undergrad we all graduated from Berkeley in May and are now working. So here's my predicament. One of my roommates is in desperate need of a new brush head for his electric toothbrush. I don't want to exaggerate. But his current brush situation as a disaster. I attached a picture. You know what I mean the bristles afraid and they're a mess I doubt he even I dad. He switched it in months and the toothbrush itself is gross and needs to be cleaned. I brought it up with him casually as casually as somebody can talk about toothbrushes Che's and he ignored me. He said stuff like I don't see the problem. It still works. Why are you even worried about my toothbrush et CETERA? I just showed him. I showed him links and pictures on the the Internet. A why it's less effective. But he called me annoying and he brushed me aside. So what do I do now. Is he right. Should I just let it go. I want to convince him that he's wrong for the sake of his teeth in health and myself so I don't need to stare at that Travis. Deal a toothbrush every morning and night. Should I just buy him new brush heads and hope he notices the difference. Hire a dentist it. Just come and explain. Can you to chastise him for a couple of minutes that I can play it back. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Love Shmuel this photo auto. The the photo is quite blurry but the toothbrush headed so frayed. It looks like it's moving. It's on that's how frayed the the bristles are. They look like they're in the middle of vibrating. That's how like it. Looks like a scrub brush. It looks like a toilet cleaner like whereas a the bristles are supposed to be perpendicular to the head. This one is just like spring out every bowel. Yeah that is foul so would did you buy somebody another toothbrush et. Yeah you could buy replacement heads. No would you buy your friend ahead. Yeah I mean this is something you can see a Dave Rosenberg type. I the I like know someone that had a toothbrush. That was this discussion. I feel I don't want to call him out because I don't know if it's one hundred percent sure it was pat cassels but I think it's okay so instead what you should do is no who was not saying what you're Up Pat just seems like a guy would happen happened to. I've seen like a BR. I traveled with somebody. I feel like that like had just like a flat yellow. Ah Like old school toothbrush with like the kind of like best western. Yeah that they've had a deal with since nineteen eighty bristles all Akimbo and then like the people also have varying degrees of toothpaste etiquette. Some people like if I can squeeze till the last drop slice it open like turn it inside out like scoop. The paste aced out very particular with keeping their toothbrush and paste alive. It's wild because like a toothbrush is just it's so worth keeping it up to date because it you put it in your mouth. Yeah aside from like the cleaning that it's supposed to do like don't just put old as brushing your mouth day after day. I think if there's other options out there. I think it's like when you see somebody who's losing weight because you see the toothbrush every day. You don't realize realize how bad it's gotten until you get a new one. Yeah I'm fairly on top of my shit and even I like when I use a new toothbrush on like Whoa this head. This new head is legit like using a pretty softened. Br Bristle for awhile. I think that's my unsolicited advice. Once it was just like just get a new toothbrush. Had Right now right whether it's a little earlier little late you'll notice it. A big big packs acts like I've I've a big old. I've like twelve pack and I throw them out every three or four months. It's good to what you gotta do. So would you do this to a friend which you replace it for him the interesting thing and he's already like I feel usually we get a question. That's like should I say something and it's like he already did like he's not it's should I do something. This is what we were thinking when you have roommates this is the Kinda shit that will eat away. especially if you have a great tooth oral hygiene in this guy ask terrible oral hygiene. Yeah I guess I wouldn't. I don't think I'd go so far as to buy him a toothbrush but I would may be. The next step is to ridicule him in front of another friend. That's good because if you get ganged up on shame yeah so the next time somebody comes over. Oh Dennis has fucking nor STI toothbrush brushed you want to see this thing. That's my own screen. Either that or that will just make this guy dig deeper. I mean that is just like digging his own grave. Yeah Yeah I would buy. I mean there's so many occasions to by people gifts holidays. It's like a great little gag gift for your roommates. And don't even get it just for him be like like. I got us all these funny toothbrush. Things right it's a sonic care but it looks like a naked woman if you hold it upside down or some shit like that. That's a good gift. It's actually really really good gift. It's actually well. It's a little too good business now. It's not a toothbrush making a joke. Because it's really. It's really misogynist. Like the runner. Those pens where the Bikini Genie goes away. And it's topless down a fucking. Yeah even better a toothbrush. I was going to say any racer. We're talking talking about toothpaste. Add about this shit. where I like figure it out like what could work and then I'm already like five steps ahead? Well Yeah you're not really five steps lego foot. You don't great cool. Where are you going to manufacturer? Where are you going to sell this already? Put a bit in on this fucking mansion. I guess that's actually really possible. 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Twenty nine thousand nine season and those numbers aren't out yet but this page does the same for twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen anyways ways while it's true that people can feel sick after getting the shots is usually because they went to a doctor's office or pharmacy to get it where there are other people there. Though in some countries people are sent home. I'm to get some rest after getting any vaccine general while you and I may not die or get hospitalized because of the flu we have because we have decent immune system from growing up with all the resources and good good healthcare. There are others. Who Don't have those things and we'll have many more severe complications? These high risk groups are who we have to think about when it comes to influenza read up on herd immunity munity. I also get that. It's really just not a priority for people which is why offering the flu shot at work for your employees is ideal but the flute still places an immense burden on our healthcare welker system at all. So that's something to think about. I also heard recently that the flu shot sometimes is like only twenty or thirty percent effective like every a year. It's different like sometimes they have a good year. Sometimes they have a bad one. That's right and you don't really know but at the very least it is effective in some cases whether it's twenty percents center fifty percent. You're getting less flu cool. That's why I brought in shots for everybody really. I think flu shots no so. I'm organizing a happy hour and when we get to The Bar it's just me administering flu shots so interesting. It seems pretty easy to do. Because it's not like where you have to find the vein or anything they just sort of like bunch your shoulder and stick a needle when they should just like send it to me and I can like start pricking people does it hurt. It hurts like as much as I getting a pinch so you know not really yeah again again. You're not going to get one Probably not but if the opportunity presents itself I definitely well. That's cool if the opportunity presents itself. So I have to convince Jill to go to a pharmacy with you. uh-huh and then like say let's just sit down right now and get flu right. Actually if you can tell Jill to make me I'll do it because I do. What's an example of something that she told you to do that? You did it Something she told me to do that I did. He added in a sort of Parental way away. Oh I guess when I pulled my back she made me start going to physical therapy and are you. Yeah I've been going and it's helped immensely okay. So this is imagine physical therapy but for the flu right well so far only you told me to do it. Hasn't so early needs to your kind of Jackass Man Awo Gills an anti vaccine yeah. There's no way I'm getting with a government approved five viral vaccine all all right. Here's a question about scarring so we go from Flus to scars this guys from Canada civil. Call Him Justin Trudeau Nice. Then there's also Justin thorough actor and then there's Henry David Thoreau. Uh WHO's a blogger. Viner turn tick tock celebrity. Last week I had a blasphemous boys trip to Toronto on Saturday Saturday night. I split my eyebrow open right to my skull and had to get three stitches not even mad about it though because it's going to lead a pretty sweet super villain scar. Here's the problem. I might have a dope scar on my face now but I found out pretty quickly that the origin story of the scar doesn't exactly illicit intrigue from from the ladies. I woke up in the middle of the night with an octopus induced food poisoning in desperately add to vomit jumping out of my hospital bed. I made a mad dash down the hallway alway towards the shitter. I've pretty low blood pressure with being so nauseous. Jumping out of bed and running all contributed to me passing out mid sprint. She sculpted me waking up in a pool. A blood in the hallway wearing nothing. But my fantastically soft micro Modem Gandhi's underwear beautiful. I managed to gather myself enough to get up and finish vomiting vomiting and then went downstairs to the reception desk in my underwear covered in blood and smelling like a half digested octopus to get a new key to get back to my room. Worst part is I don't even know what hit was at a door frame. A wall the floor did someone just beat the shit out of me while I was unconscious anyway doesn't exactly paint me in the best light. Can you guys. It's come up with a cool story for me that make we'll make girls want to fuck me much. Love Justin I I mean. That's a pretty solid story. Food would poisoning. And then you pass out passing passing out on the. I mean. It's definitely funny. That habit PAT cassels. Didn't it would use the guy who who facing it's shit. I got food poisoning when we were in Mexico and then later that was a real later two months later I got it in Paris. Actually speaking of Scars Guard I think Jeff Rubin did get a have to get stitches by hitting something in a dark hotel room. Do you remember that. Oh vaguely I do like. He woke up in the Middle Of the night to pee in like like split his Part of the forehead open here. We're just throwing vague stories of old friends. I also I have a scar right there. How did you get yours? Um uh-huh no how I got this scar. It's I got hit in the head with a croquet mail. Is that any better or worse than food poisoning. I think it's I guess it's like I don't know I think it's a little better But it's also like it happened when I was like ten or something. So it's it's. It's not like a new scar. Yeah but scars are souvenirs you never lose Goo Goo dolls lyric okay. But he wants to know the best story the best way to spin it. Okay I guess like the coolest thing you can say is you like look off into the the mid the middle distance and say. I don't WanNa talk about got it. That's cool yeah. What about ultimate Frisbee Accident Championship? Sorry what'd you say. The championship was an accident. The frisbee my nose is bleeding. Then I fucking fainted from an octopus because slurping up an octopus tentacle Anti Porn Sports injuries pretty cool. That's cool hurt yourself. Yeah sports injuries but it has to be you like like I mean ultimate Frisbee. Sounds like you got hit in the head with the Frisbee it has to be like winning the championship. It's gotTa be like game-tying game winning right like most. I feel like any time. You have like a scar on your face and you say you got it like playing in a kind of non contact sport. It sounds like you got hit in the face unless you're a professional athlete getting injured while playing a fun thing is kind of silly like your croquet story right well. We weren't playing croquet Kovacs fucking British Queen. uh-huh Mallet in hand actually didn't get beat up at. What's that Allison Wonderland play in New York? Were you walk around sleep. Not a constant asleep. No War came out on a Friday. Seventy hit you with their mask at a sex party and you had to leave a lot of options there. I do like getting. Somebody walked into me With their mascot asleep networks those long noses. Yeah and now I I got it making out with a stranger. It's no more. Yeah Kissing accident. Yeah make out injuries Kinda cool especially under date wrenching French so hard. My head is believed to French. Kiss this injury you have six. No sorry three God children as of now two ladies and a boy. Yeah Everley relented. That's right this guy wants to up it. Two Hundred Percent Ben Hill writes. I'M GONNA cut cut straight to the chase. I agree with the parents of your second goddaughter. You should be weighing your options. I have for your consideration six babies ranging in the ages of four months. Take all is yes. Two of them are goddaughter's technically they already have family members godparents. But I'll fire them all immediately if you'd liked to add them to your brewed really. It's perfect for you. I have two girls and four boys. This would bring your total up to an eight four of each. Frankly follow US biological logical parents. Kick it then you can start your very own. Ding Ding Dwarf image. Raise them all to be the pride of the mountain dangerous below There's these are some fucking cute kids. He has six children. This guy looks like he's our age. You looks younger than you man. What the Fuck House? Housi- raising six kids. That's fucking wild bets of more than a full-time job I'm you're talking to. You're talking route. One is six right here. How does your parents do it? I've no fucking idea idol fucking idea I feel like my life is chocked full to the brim. I have like a few hours off every day. Eh maybe most. Yeah six kids I said I said the same exact thing to jill the other the other day it was like we had I had such a long day and she had had such a long day. Imagine imagine if there was like we wouldn't be able to do any of the Shit we did today. It seems like he should have job retire. Then start a family right otherwise otherwise. There's no room for it. Yeah you should be able to make money on when you're fifteen to thirty which is probably how it was like in the Middle Ages ages which is why people had kids or like farmers where it's like okay. I need more kids to work with work for me when I died at age. Forty totally the same way. That like dogs were protectors they would like protect your your livestock and you're out. You're afraid of even getting a dog right now I am. I am afraid of getting too busy for CACTUS. I you know I can handle a succulent. As long as I don't have to water water at every other month with did he say these kids names. Yes he did. We're talking about link Watson Michael Bella Benjamin the third and Mariah a so. These are great fucking names. Yeah Holy Mackerel. Michael Watson and link links makes us such a cool name link is actually short for. Lend ry like Henry and Hank really. Yeah Oh yeah Lincoln Hank I bet the hardest part of having six kids is his And my friend has four daughters so I ask them some time on like. How do you know they've all eaten? Like how do you keep track on WHO's eaten. He says we eat every meal together. That's nice yeah that makes sense. I I think definitely that seems to be the key like making sure. Your kids are Fed. Yeah you WANNA keep them alive but also fighting like my I ah my family. We would like fight. Sometimes you know like at that point you just give up like they can fight. Just let them fight. If I'm like literally getting out hunched my sister. Somebody has to intervene. So you're talking to your dad. You let fucking Sarah's suplex about number that yeah you got to do something man you have. The discipline lies. It needs to be grounded. I imagine it's like spinning plates. Where you're like okay? I'm dealing with this plan to fell off the grind like okay. Let me stop this while I do you. That two people are sneaking out for a while. I think that's why my parents never like made me eat anything. They're just like wasn't time to discuss it. You can just eat bread read. I guess yes that's just like I liked plain pasta growing up. Yeah and now. People are so worried about like health. Shit I'm like when I grew up. I just had had McDonald's sometimes like if I imagine five six kids I'm throwing fast food at them. Just eat whatever the fuck you want like now in charge of creating nutritionally beneficial diet. I for six kids. We used to have nights where my mom called it combos and it was just. She would take out all of the cupboard and we can just make like mishmash mishmash bowls of cereal. Yeah dinner that makes sense. And that's not because we were just 'cause like everyone is to fucking busy to cook for this many people and then you have like different dietary. Hey Terry restrictions where. I'm like. I didn't want onions and meatballs. Mom Yes fucking. That's the least of my concern. I guess you would think that my parents would be like you're going to eat whatever we give you but they instead they were just like fine. We're giving you frozen food. You like if you like chicken nuggets and frozen French fries. Then we'll make that every night because it's it's easy. Yeah I'm really. It seems like the goal is to just keep them alive until they're old enough to deal with their own nutritional problems anyway. I Will Accept Michael Watson. Link Bella Benjamin the third and Mariah all six. I'll take all six because I do. Love the idea of around eight. Did he say where these guys are from. Well you already have three and these are six so so you'll have around unless you WANNA kick one of them off we. I already have your three. Oh I have three. Yeah these are so we'll have nine. Yeah got it I love all these. They're they're like my own children. I will never kick any of them off. I Adore these kids. I WANNA BE I want to be at all my godchildren so badly okay. Nine nine is fine. One more question for you yet but I just really. I'm exhausted because I'm a father of a lot. You're not really just a lot a lot to deal with the. Let's do one more question. You don't have the Brin that I have we burden you literally really just. It's a labor of love the Labor of love to be sure to call it a burden. I if you took that were out of context it's not burdensome it's not burdensome it's it's a necessary evil even worse okay hold on. I'm obviously being mischaracterized. How do you make sure six kids go to sleep and wake up like you gotTa make get them all to school to get about it? I it's really like I am and thinking about how difficult I was as a kid like. I behaved like I was an only child routinely missing the bus. I will someone try be at school now. How five other kids eating cereal at the dinner table? We had an my family. We definitely had helped. We'd like to At least three of my grandparents as we were like always around. Oh yeah you need. More adults outnumber US sixty two now. But it's not a survivable ratio. Okay this lady's name is She's twenty-three-year-old living in DC okay. We'll call her Columbia. I matched with a guy on tinder and late tonight. He asked what I was up to. I've been in a a bit of a dry spell so I invited him to come over cut to three hours later. He finally shows up because he was watching the fight. You know you have see We start hooking up and really quickly. He asked me to go down on him. Sure I give him head for fifteen minutes and then he goes to insert his penis and I was like Oh shit we need to use a condom and we went to grab one and he looked less than pleased. He told me that he had gotten soft again. So I had to give him head again also at this point I had got nothing from him so I asked if you would go down on me because I wasn't quite ready yet. He told me that he has a weird thing about going down on girls and that he wouldn't do it. We tried to have sex for two minutes which was super painful for me. Then he told me that he hates having sex with condoms and that he probably just had to leave. We chatted for a few minutes and he left my apartment. So here's my question which. He seemed really apologetic about what happened. It's only he wanted to see me again. I told him he should text me. But I'm not sure if this was really a fluke night or this dude is an asshole. He has my number but if he texts me again. Do you think I should give them a second chance. I really would like to break this dry spell. Thanks of course. Not He didn't a fluke is like if a bunch of stuff goes right and then there was one weird thing. Yeah like if he noted too early fluke this guy showed up late. Wanted oral sex refused to give it to you give you two minutes of painful sex. Couldn't get it up and then left right and tried to pressure you to have sex without a condom like the power of the dry spell is like this lady's like should I give him a second chance he'd have to do every single thing in reverse verse for it to work out in your favor. No he this is this is disqualifying behavior. Fortunately you're a lady so I think a lady in a dry spell Dell hasn't easier than guys and address bill I think so too I mean every it's it's all it's all subjective and it's all it's all hard you know but I think just at least you can eliminate this guy your dry spell's not gonNA last forever but don't break it with this piece of shit. Yeah you don't want to give them that satisfaction and reward is behavior. He you did everything bad right. He did everything so at the very least you can pat yourself on the back because like maybe going forward he'll be like I guess I shouldn't behave this way if I'm being honest. I'm sure he'll be like that lady's of Bitch. It's almost like the flu where it's like you're not only helping yourself off. But you're sort of informing his behavior going forward. You're helping the heard of immunity. Yeah but the thing like I'm sure that he's too obstinate to change but it it doesn't matter you should not be in your life. This is the type of shit that goes down in. DC This is why don't love DC. It's a bunch of fucking politicians looking to get their rocks off. You can tell who's in office because this is the kind of aid. This is the kind of lobbyist this is the kind of peace shit. That's in DC right now and you can do better Columbia and you should do better and let us know your dress balls still happening literally two days later because I feel like if you're active on tinder and you can find somebody much better than this guy. I absolutely I think so too. Who will go down on you? And if not jake has like nine Godchildren you can start flinging towards right. There's not the point of that their children. What are he talking about? Oh I'm sure that some of them will be eighteen soon enough. No this fucking link. He's three three three months old. You piece of Shit. Yeah I'd love to borrow one of your fucking unit called dwarfs the Dwarf Image thing you're you're absolutely overstepping and as their as their protector as their Lord and Savior. I'm going to have to end your life. Let Me Borrow Watson for a week and see what he thinks of you. I feel like I can. Poison boys is honestly Watson could beat the shit out of you so I would. I would let you try. Watson's the two year old. He Looks Kinda Jacked Watson. Strong maniac the fucking soccer player future. UFC fighter himself all right. Thanks for listening. Thanks for writing and again if you have any more questions. Theme Songs and text conversations wants to to dissect send them all down to if I were you show at gmail.com if you want to go Dutch on this Memphis Mansion for an airbnb income property let let us know that as well opening theme song was written. Oh is that a little John Parody written by tyler lip this closing one is a scooby. Doo Inspired I. Laura Moise's Laura Moist a theme song from day one listener if you have any pop punk parody request. Let me know This is One called Scooby doot so shout out my instagram ex- ex- POP punk is not dead ex ax ax. I have links to my band. My bio you got damn right. She does The thanks Laura. Thanks Tyler thanks for listening and we'll be back of course next week and if you want more if I were you we do bonus video episodes on our patriot. That's right pay dot com slash J. A. Every every other week there's a fire you and then every other a week there's a Jake and Amir. Watch your video over a year. Now how the fuck do we do it. So we got fifty videos there for you to enjoy. Check them out and we'll be back next week by everybody buddy peace God. Yeah that was a hate gum podcast.

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"Today more than ever. It's essential that we're making the right decisions to keep out bodies healthy to help us to be resilient live better or simply take on whatever the day may bring. But all we overloaded with nutritional information leaving us with more questions than answers does that even work can I trust? It will that work from me a my goals. How do you know what your body uniquely needs unless you ask it for the truth seekers and change makers and the go-getters the answers are inside you inside tracker is the ultra personalized nutrition platform that analyzes your blood and DNA biomarkers along with your lifestyle habits to help you to optimize your body and reach your goals inside track has painted system will transform your body's data into. 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Get fifteen percent off your order and by rake on dot com slash naked scientist that's by rake on dot com slash naked scientists for fifteen percents off Reich on wireless ear buds by rake on, dot com slash naked scientist. Have you loud and clear? And that is to say physics medicine nature. brained. Hello welcome to the naked scientists the show where we bring you the latest breakthroughs in science technology and medicine with me Casey Halo. And Chris Smith. This week getting stuck into some sizzling science. It is barbecue time and we're going to explain the chemistry of cookery, the science of tastes and flavors, and we're also going to try and cook something. You wouldn't normally think was possible on the bobby plus news of the UK government's plan to battle the nation's bulge but when it work. Wi leaves on the line really is a reasonable excuse for late trains I'm what happens when cats and dogs catch corona virus the naked scientists podcast is powered by UK fast DOT CO DOT UK. This week, there were stock warnings from Boris Johnson that the world faces a second wave of covid cases Germany and Spain seem big increases in cases. Melbourne has declared a curfew in parts of England announcing new control measures being introduced, and perhaps with this in mind the UK government unveil plans this week to confront one of the biggest risk factors for severe krone vars infection, and that's obesity. The Department of Health have published a policy document setting out a strategy to tackle the growing problem. Dolly Thais as a public health researcher at the University of Cambridge. She looks at the effectiveness of policies like this and Chris asked her what she made of the measures. So the government had brought in a new. Strategy a number of recommendations including a kind of better health public information campaign designed to kind of encourage people to lose weight that will expanding services locally to help with people who were already living with obesity, and then a whole range of other measures that help make the environment a healthier place for people to make it easier to live a healthier life. The don't hold back on punches because, right at the top of this report, they point out look sixty, three percent of adults in our country are overweight. That's a pretty big number and then even more damning they go on to say, well, a third of children leave primary school overweight and a fifth of those are already obese these all kids who on even into their teenage years yet yeah I mean say the the numbers speak for themselves. Sadly, we've known about this for a long. Time, but it's very difficult to because it's such a complex area to know what can be done and we often hear people say there's no silver bullet I e there's no one thing that will be brought in that can help tackle this issue. So it requires a multi action approach, which is exactly what this obesity strategy is clearly trying to do. We need these policies not just to be proposed that they need to be followed up, they need to be implemented and acted upon and evaluated. All the actually going, we can only find that Arctic we evaluate then. The Dolly went I went to school I know for a fact that a fifth of the kids in my class were not obese. I can't actually think of a single child in my class that walls. So why are we in a situation now where we have got young children going to school and they're already overweight before they even set foot in the school gates Yeah, you're absolutely on with that and this is something that a lot of people are trying to study. What we understand to have changed is that we do want to still be fit in well, but it's not always easy in the in the world that we live in this obesity strategy is trying to tackle the bombardment to junk food advertising. We know that companies spend much more on junk food advertising than they do on healthier. appetizing. And so they're bringing in looking to bring in a ban of junk food advertising before nine pm on TV and online. It's also very confusing the information available to us. We're told we we should be losing weight you know, for example, by an information campaign but at the same time, our high streets are often listed takeaways. Not, always easier to cycle, for example, than it is drive. It is not easy in the current environment for everyone to live healthy lives and sometimes it can be confusing. Trying to navigate what what is a kind of healthy life versus unhealthy options? This just look through some of the things that the government have emailed that part and parcel of their campaign. Lots of the interventions that are more carrot than stick. For instance, they've got traffic light system on foodstuffs to encourage you to make more healthy choices labeling up food with calories will that's not new. We've been doing that for a long time adding the number of calories they're all in alcohol because people don't appreciate that fair enough that would be a new intervention, but this is very much again, the onus is on a person to see that information, take it on board and then act on it. Do you think that's she gonNA to work. All while you you've nailed it. You're talking about is. The kind of intervention differences that require an individual to use their own resources. So they need to engage. As you say with the information, they need to want to turn into action and do that over a long period time whereas the interventions like the banning of junk adverts this takes away those advocates for people so that you're not having to make that choice. Actually on the on the menu labeling front, this is a very interesting intervention because it's proposed in a way. That it's a consumer total I. If you put information on menu in a restaurant, then people going there will be better informed about the nutrient content, the food actually the evidence on how effective that is mixed what we found in a study that me and a colleague published last year is that having labeling? Actually, associated with healthier foods served maybe it's the restaurants that have labeling have healthier foods or they're kind of more likely to be okay with having the information on there or it might be that because they've introduced labeling, I know what's in their food they've improved the healthfulness of it. So actually, this kind of intervention could be seen rather than being seen as a as a tool for consumers to better understand. The choices that they're making, it could be seen as an information tool for the restaurants to what's in their own food so that they can then make healthier or a different healthier alternatives alongside other less healthy alternatives. So you're bit luke warm on some of that. Then some of it you can you can see a benefit, but some of it very much. The onus is being pushed very much onto the consumer. What do you think about the proposed legislation to limit things like buy one get one free deals where the buy one get one free is for something that's really bad for you. Limit the ability of supermarkets to sort of force feed US bad stuff this high in fat sugar and salt etc Yes. So again, it comes back down to balancing things that it's just easier to be healthier. And how that's done these rules that have possible techniques to help achieve that rebalancing so that it's just easier so that people don't have to think too much about it regardless of where they live regardless if the challenges they face on a daily basis. So these sorts of techniques we will basically have to introduce and evaluate to understand the true impact and and this is a critical part of. What I'm kind of looking forward to seeing hopefully more information about when it comes to this strategy is. It's only by introducing some of these higher level interventions that we can actually start to build the evidence on them, and actually there are some things that we just simply can't build the evidence on until they're introduced a bit like the soft drinks industry lobby, all the sugar taxes, lots of people know it's very hard to build evidence on the on the effective tax in a particular country without introducing tax in the first place. So I very much hope that the evaluation side of this, this new strategy is taken very seriously and not retrofitted at a later stage. We really need to view introducing these measures as not only tackling the obesity issue and and the kind of food culture issue but also helping build the evidence based on some of these interventions will have to wait and see with a new initiative works. We thanks very much to totally ties. Along with the wrong kind of snow, the station announcement about the delay trains because of leaves on the line. Causes Much Derision and rolling among disgruntled passengers who often might think it's a made up excuse. The phenomenon is a real one and it can be a very real hazard when trains go sliding past platforms and it could be very dangerous indeed. If they can't stop red signals steel wheels on steel rails just don't get on with leaves A. Really slippery train tries to break. We're just slide over the riles commits stations. Because of that have to change timetables in the autumn. On the other thing they can do is when they voted effect layers, they can electrically insulate the train from the truck. Not means the the signals don't work properly because they rely on a conduction between the train and the truck to tell where the trains in the network. Sheffield University's Michael Watson, and in research published this week he and his colleagues think they figured out what's going on between the leaves and the rails to cause the low friction conditions by brewing up some Sycamore Leaf Tea yes. You did hear that correctly and then one by one eliminating potential cooper chemicals. They think that Tannin's which by coincidence are also in the t that many of us enjoy drinking other the molecules to blame Michael told me what they did and firstly how they ended up pointing the finger at tonneins. We tried to strip back the system, an makers simple as possible while still making a very low friction. So instead of using leaves with the complicated pass and instead of using real world contamination, we use leaf extracts. So this is essentially that we've made out of Sycamore leads and we found that we get extremely light friction with thought t said that already rules out anything that doesn't come out into taste or the things in the rules. and. Then we looked at our extract and we've removed things to see which one from removed them caused the friction to increase. Oh, I. See you're trying to detective like investigate the culprit by finding which ones it isn't yet. That's right. Chemically in our setup, we have this leaf extract, which is slightly acidic and that will dissolve the ion which came from these tests empel's but in a real railway would come from the rails when not dissolves the iron on ions of floating around in the solution. And they get grabbed by these tiny molecules I'm because each ion can get grabbed by multiple ton of molecules. Each molecule can grab multiple ions by the end of this, you end up with this big loosely bounded cross linked network. And, that's what really causes the friction and this is the black kind of dewey stuff that's causing the hassle right? Yes when these tonneins grabbed the on they also leave the solution and they turned into a black precipitate solid splitting in the solution. Okay. So the theory is you've got leaves falling on the track. These leaves what degrading a bit in the some sort of acid there that dissolves I and from the tracks and tonneins from the leaves grab onto these iron ions making this low friction producing stuff. Yeah. That's exactly right. Great. What's going on a molecular level? Why does this black stuff have such low friction? We think the cause of the low friction because it's very thin is almost as thin as water. So it's not a viscous honey when you compress it on the micro scale when the surface is a consenting gets compressed very hard into this hard plastic. And that means the you don't get the viscous drag for that you get. If you're in something like honey, but the surfaces come touch each other because every time they get to touching turns into this Oughta Pasta. So you end up at the so of best of both worlds way of reducing the friction. How comparable is your experiment to what's actually happening? Shown one thing that does 'cause this very low friction but we can't take the results from this and say that we're definitely showing the only thing that come possibly caused friction. So have to take it with a pinch of salt but is the first time anyone is linked uptaken a chemical to the very low friction that they got on the rails. Are The options for actually preventing this from happening because I guess that's the goal right. Yes, so either you can protect the riles from corrosion. which you might. WanNa. Do Anyway or you can put your own chemical down that will grab the I nine's better than the tonneins can. Say That when the ions come out, they don't get grabbed by the tonneins. They got grab Baio Monaco instead and then they can't make this big complex something we like to keep working on. The lobster close now it's hard to get anywhere with it. Now I see. So to watch that space whereas interesting mentioned the tracks because I was wondering is the I, N. The thing that's the problem with adobe feasible to just change the truck material in risk places trap materials of been around for a very long time and people have spent years and years optimizing. So that materials we have at the my and. Quite complicated materials and swapping it to something like nickel. He's ready taking a leap into the dark and be very, very hard justified doing what about the trees though does it depend on the type of tree and? Eight failing an option because as an environmental cost to that, right Well. This is something that happens. Anyway it's the so method of last resort network rail have if they need to sauce out a block spot. With this research, we can talk about which trees country the most. So we might be able to reduce fouling where happens with it still being their last resort and is not a case of which leaves contain the most tonneins. Yes yeah. Not should be well, we know that you can second mall a very high Tannin's I also very common problem areas. So that's what we use them all in the in the study, but there's also a lot of anecdotal evidence surrounding Oak Michael Watson from the University of Sheffield trying to help us keep the trains running on time. Welcome to the Naked Gaming podcast with me Chris Barrow and Lee Milner every month we look at the nicest gaming news crossing has been updated now so that you can swim. Roy, Whitey that one week we review the biggest releases. Go go go go right us. Commonly it and because there's a simulator for almost anything we play some of the strangest ones available. Wow. Already, the graphics are rough I can see myself in the reflection the guy my victims already sat down the naked gaming podcast from the naked scientists, download it now wherever you get. And on the way yes, you're hearing that correctly. Outside in the garden and we have a barbecue dish with a difference because Tristan. Welsh from Pakistan in Cambridge is here to actually do a socially distance some of our Q. and it's not a burger we're going to the barbecue she going to make dessert. I mean it wasn't going to be simple and easy with me. Was it. That's why we're preparing something that you know it's quite monty python and outside something completely different, right? What are you GONNA do? Believe it or not. We're GONNA make a pineapple upside down cake cooked in the tin the pineapple slices came in on the barbecue. The Guy Casey that's what's coming out stay tuned to find out whether or not that is going to work. Now before we get into the barbecue science a couple of months ago, we heard about Nadia, the tiger at the Bronx Zoo in the US testing positive for corona virus and this week a six year old female Siamese cat also made the news as the first test positive the disease here in the UK. So could our pet cats and dogs be carrying the infection and could they pass it onto us? With Sarah Caddyshack is a vet also a researcher looking at this very question at the University of Cambridge. Sarah what she happens to a cat when they catch corona viruses, it very similar to human. Well from studies of cats in laboratory, it seems that the majority of cats actually get any signs of disease tool even if you give them quite tiny days of infection, but we don't actually know this really reflects what happens in the real world. So we recommending that cat owners lookout for similar signs should see in human or cave in nineteen. Komo actually die of the disease or is it just generally trivial symptoms? This being no cases that we know of that have died from the virus at all the reported cases of only had very mild symptoms. So the Cat in question you K had a runny nose and possibility bit of difficulty breathing but certainly nothing life threatening how do you think the go to then and how how to catch transmit the infection? The same way we do that particular cat in UK we know the owners of this cat were diagnosed with Kovac Nineteenth. So in this case, we know that went from owner to cat and the other cases that be reported worldwide. Think a very similar. Situation. In terms of transmission, we expect to be very similar methods for human-to-human. So droplets aristotle it very close contact between cats or between cats and humans, and the critical question of course is if it can go from human to cat, can it come the other way? There's no evidence that this has occurred box as it is theoretically possible. We are recommending that any humans with cable symptoms, a all employees, very careful hygiene around their own cats in making sure your washing hands and avoiding because contacted possible. What about other family pets because oversee some people can't people some people are dog people some people keep birds we've been asked about the the risk of all of the above. Absolutely. Experimental Studies suggested that dogs don't become readily infected with the virus, but having said that a number of dogs worldwide have been detected virus inabilities. Some dogs named to make an antibody response to an immune response virus suggesting buried a levels of infection, but we don't think narrow susceptible cats. And what about pet birds because someone wrote me about their budgies let at risk gag back to again the experimental infections, chickens and ducks showed no evidence of getting affected at all, and that's that's as far as we know about buzz actually. So I'm not I'm not worried about pet budgies so you can tuck into your barbecued chicken with impunity, Sarah Cardi thank you very much for. Joining us to fill us in that Cardi. She's at the University of Cambridge. Now, if you like looking at stars all other heavenly bodies in the night sky, you'll know that using your telescope, a city or other places. Lots of light pollution is not a good idea. It's better to get out into the countryside where the further you are away from streetlights and vehicle headlights the better. Taking it to an extreme though you're going to have to on your thermal underwear and hiking boots a few husky dogs might come in useful as well. And that's because Chinese. Astronomers have discovered that the best place on earth to stargazers is in Antarctica Yup. It's on the top of the mountain of ice, which could Dome A, and it's twelve hundred kilometers from anywhere astronomer both well has been reading the research and he told Phil Sansom what makes this spot so special it's a general problem for astronomy rights that we are living at the bottom of the. Right, sick atmosphere. Nice for human life on. Earth. Have you done. But for an astronomy, it's quite difficult that all the Nice signals from space travel through hundreds of miles of air before they reach telescopes and Ariza perfectly transparent, right anyone bad seen Miraj wobbling around all seem like wobbling around above a heat source radiator or five get the idea that light can bend and twist as it travels through. That's why the stars twinkle isn't it. Executive. That's why stars twinkle astronomers cool this seeing which is a million, your word I'm I don't know why we call it this But yes, I it's the seeing is what we call the amounts light just kind of blood as it travels through our atmosphere and the real trick for astronomers is to find places where the seeing is really really. Good where the atmosphere is nice and calm instill can take very nice clay pictures of space. That's why astronomers like Hawaii, for example, right or or big high mountains isn't it? Exactly? So Hawaii is famously good for this. The Atacama desert is famous too good for this and what this new papers found is that the this particular site in Antarctica cooled dome. where the seeing is. Better than anywhere else on planet earth. How. Much better. Astronomers major seeing in something called off seconds and seconds very very, very tiny angle. So one ox second is three, thousand, six, hundred of a degree. And it's basically how much the light from a star life from a galaxy has been spread out by the atmosphere. If you have seeing below one seconds that's generally considered. Pretty good. Down here and untouchable in dome a the seeing gets as good as around point one ox. which is absurd much much much better than anything you would have in Hawaii or Chile. Is this sort of like a measure of how blurry the stars are when you look at them, and so this place if you look at the stars there ten times clearer than this gold standard. Yeah. That's exactly right. So it ten times claridge telescopes. Where is this site? Exactly? So it's cooled Dome A it's Indian toxic. It's relatively close to the very slap bang sense. Uh, it's essentially a one of the highest points on under about four kilometers above sea level. What would this make a difference for? What kind of thing would this be useful for? Okay. So I would caveat this with the fact that I'm a long wavelength radio astronomer, I'm really do much short wavelength, optical astronomy type stuff but getting better resolution in telescopes is all about being able to see objects that are close together and so two binary styles for example, might Blair in warm if you have bad seeing but with this crystal closing, you'll be on to separate them and see to the ranch to separate stars. All exoplanets resembles resembled planets, orbiting other stars, the radio topics in astronomy. Nowadays, you want very, very good resolution to be able to separate how systems I've S. Is it is it really worth carting a bunch of really expensive telescope materials out to this isolated part of Antarctica I mean is this sort of untamed wilderness or are there already people there or or one? I would say it's it's a lot closer to untamed wilderness than almost anywhere else on. Building anything down on is going to be a very, very substantial thing to do and but I do think it's going to be worth it for forgiven value of it's worth it rights guessing telescope to the best place in the world to observe the universe would be very, very valuable. University of Cambridge. Ma Bothwell he wasn't involved with the original study that was by Beijing scientists been modern colleagues on. You can read it in the Journal, nature and if you want to find out more at any of the stories we've been covering so far in the show, all of the transcripts, as well as the papers and the references are on our website, the naked scientists dot com. The naked scientists podcast is produced in association with Spitfire Cost, effective, voice Internet, and I P. Engineering Services UK businesses find out how Spitfire Compel Your Company at Spitfire Dot coach. UK. Now it's August the sun is kinda shining. It's not raining at the moment. We're in the holiday spirit. So what better way to celebrate them with a barbecue cooking and eating outside come feeling taste like a real treat this week we're finding out why so stay tuned for the chemistry of flavors, the psychology of taste and Patchy wasps always want to get into a slice of whatever's on my plate. Well, we'll be finding out. Now you did it Katie because you said, the sun is shining. In traditional British fashion it's raining it has literally gone from Sunshine to rain. You would not believe it I. Am of course here with Kristin Welch he's been actually knocking up this cake because we are going to cook a cake on a barbecue. If you didn't believe that it was possible, keep tuned in to see the history being made, it can be done just reminded what have you put into these cakes Justin, how she doing this? Well, first of all I'm going to say this is not the first time I've ever cooked pineapple upside down cake on a barbecue certainly is the first time I've cooked in the rain. So I've taken the butter and now what you can hear the sugar and butter in together that's being cream together. There's basic SORTA sponge mix to that I add our eggs. Give that a jolly good mix then flour using. So phrasing flower now I've taken. Tend like individual small little towns I think the two, hundred, fifty grams, two, hundred, forty grams of sliced pineapple I've taken the top off. Poured out the juice. Drank it actually. Put a one slice of pineapple back on the base with some Golden Syrup and a cherry in the middle of the pineapple slice and I'm just about to pop this cake mix on top of it. Just the quick rundown of the ingredients in terms of what's proportions, how much of each? One hundred fifty grams of unsalted butter. One hundred fifty grams of. Sugar says equal quantities to the added to eggs and now just added one, hundred, fifty grams. So raising flower. We give jolly good mix and that will be quite a tight mixture. So then we add a couple of tablespoons of milk not loosens up in the bottom of the ten. I. Put in about a tablespoon of Golden, Syrup and one slice of pineapple with one cherry in the middle. And then you're going to spoon in what fill the tin to the brim with a mixture. Yeah. Take this and this mix fills about fourteen quite nicely. Okay and that thing we've got a barbecue the lid that's probably important because we basically use the barbecues nothing it's vital. So the actual thought process behind it is the heat from below is quite aggressive. so that's going to boil the Syrup and the Senate will protect and prevent it from burning the lid creates the oven like effect. So Bake Oven, but be able to take the aggressive heat from below temperature gauge says about two, hundred, two, hundred see. Okay. That's about right. That's about right with barbecuing's about using your senses and feelings, and you know after five minutes, you can see it starting to bubble up if it's not burning it's okay. It's okay. But definitely bound about the two hundred mark is. Actually, how long do you anticipate? We're going to need to put this awful. I'd say about fifteen to twenty minutes to be honest we'll come back fifteen alternate minutes. Thanks Tristan with me is biologist and champion of the world of creepy crawlies to the naked scientists Dr to be soon, eleanor drink water. She's just a whisker to take an insect from handing in her PhD. Welcome to the show eleanor you. You've brought along something for the feast. Yeah so I think some edible crickets. Crickets and if Arashi of exit flavors as well. So these guys haven't actually tried them to my knowledge is that right? You're going to make me interested in the insects? Yes. You're going to discover how wonderful insects are is probably GonNa Change, your life have to say Katie that actually a new eleanor was informed because it came out to to start the. Show she's already cortisol wasp and got it under a glass buzzing around on the table and I said, we're GONNA barbecue that no, no, no no no. No. You have to watch it and Mayer it before letting it go very gently. That's that's what you have to do. When you find a wasp, I feel very brave cutting wasps. I, am not a fan. Yes. Sadly. No Barbecue for me over here in the studio to console me down the line is a flavor chemist Jane Parker from Reading University Jane would a flavor chemist get up to? Well we do love sniffing and our job realize. densify the Kira complaints that are in the foods and work out how they formed and heavy interact with other components in the food and they're released and eventually her we actually perceive them. So it's the whole story. Really. Sounds. Delicious combat to you very soon. Also, with us is sensory scientists, Barry Smith, Barry, how does your research relate to food? Well I'm interested in finding out what happens in us once these wonderful flavor compounds of got together in the way that Jane described. So I look at the signs of tasting I'm looking at higher our senses work together touch taste smell maybe maybe signed to give us that unique experience something flavors of foods that we like, and we'll be talking into the sensory side of barbecue later on. Rushton I. Suppose. You've now got the tins. Fool. Grease proof paper lining the tin. There's the piece of pineapple in the bottom of the cherry spoon, the mixture on top, and now what are we doing? So we use the ten to bake that show pineapple upside down cake lined at cafe with paper. On the grill. So this intense heat coming from underneath it and we're GONNA put the lid down. Let it bake essentially evokes got them on their alongside the sausages you're cooking up some nice sausages. Oh, we're not GONNA get sausage flavored upside down cake though maybe this is an you think who knows I think we'll get some of the smoke from it I and that's really important part of the flavor and all this sort of stuff. But it's one of those of crazy days with pineapple upside down cake sausages and cake and cooking in the rain right? It's already smelling really delicious Katie get get a quick with of this down the MIC on. This is the sausages. Oh, it smells amazing I'm telling you. Jane your. Flavor expert before we well before they get to try some of this delicious food. What exactly is flavor we talking smell taste. When all these words Flavor Aroma taste organ a little bit confused in the English language a scientist we've got a clear distinction between them. So taste is what you perceive on the tongue. so that's things are sweet, sour, salty bitter, and you mommy, which is the the savory taste. Aroma is what you perceive in the factory poll through your nose and these are very volatile campaigns. The combination of these is what we describe as flavor and as was leading to early it's flavor is aroma. And taste but it can also be color and texture and sand and other things as well. But how will those poke cylinders that they've put on the barbecue how they translate to sausages in their brains? What what's going on as you start cooking the sauce chief good changes in the protein structure as it nature's and aggregate again to tender is and what color formation. But the key thing is the flavor this developing in this four different ways that you can develop flavor while you're cooking. Sausages and what is a mild reaction that's very well known and it's the reaction that occurs between proteins are amino acids, really an sugars as you heat things up, and that gives you these rusty toasty and Media Roma's fats they start to degrade as well when they degrade they release aroma compounds and these hope you work out whether it's a beef sausage or alarm sausage Poco sage because they give you that species character these go on when cooking meat anywhere. But once you've putting things. On the barbecue, you starting to get Carlisle's Asian as well. So that's when the surface is really hard, and if marinated your poke sausage, nothing's we in stick yoga even more care mayes ation going on and the final thing is the flavor comes from the charcoal itself. The charcoal is made from wood wood contains Licnen, and they will probably be some remnants of Lakeland in your charcoal and as you burn the League in you generate a lot of smokey and spicy campaigns which are females and. And you can even get vanilla as well. So you can get quite fragrant aroma and that's we've got some sunshine over here and that's a smile that's coming in through my window my neighbors barbecuing it's Stephanie. That's smokey elementary gives the people. Element sausage sounds delicious. I. Really Wish that hasn't dinner before the show I think the Chris Barbecue is Gus Chris. Yeah I was just listening to what Joe was saying and thinking Oh. Dear because some I've subject to. Tristan. Cooking on gas is that bad or he's shaking his head in his ruining the day a little bit of a faux part to be honest. Is that problem Jane. With it because you've got the high temperatures, you got the minority of Cutler Flavor from the Lipid and you've got the interactions. Home. No. Interest in. Deir, I'll. Leave. Rental. Actually, it works because you've got the fats hitting the flame and the flames licking the outsides of the sausages and stuff like that. It works it works but this is you get. This little smoke in this, you get from the charcoal, which is something really special, Chris I'm rather dellis. Well, we'll save you some trust in shoe just hearing there. He helps to run Cambridge's Parker's. Tavern. Big weekend for them because you literally just reopened after after lockdown you actually creating some amazing smells in my garden Tristan's come over for a socially distance barbecue I don't normally get ahead shift to come and my barbecue, and then critique it thanks tristen but we are making a cake on the barbecue. You, WANNA give us an update how we're doing spin on ten minutes. Yeah and you can see the cake mixes bubbling up is rising like many souffles almost. But the top of the paper is starting to toast little bit with some of the mixes stuck on the side. That's a great indicator the. Paper we know, but it's just an indication of things cooking. Wa Dondo maybe every sausage flavored upside down cake you never know. seriously. This is amazing. They've risen right out of the top of the tins and they're beginning to really amazing as all my sausages it smells good. Yes. Most great. Doesn't it I've got to say that they are bubbling away beautifully I'm just GonNa take a few minutes is a confident man in the with the also is Barry Smith who is a census scientist and? Joining us to to tell us about some of the the way in which my sense is being stimulated today. Now, Barry people characteristically say that things do taste better when cooked and consumed out of doors. Is there any science behind that? I think that might be I like the idea that our senses are being bombarded while we're. Waiting for the food to cook, we're seeing the color of the flame. If you charcoal Chris, you'd have a lovely grey blue flame there. You're the barbecue you're hearing the sizzling, and all of these things are giving you expectations about what you're going to taste, and they're probably giving you expectations that to buy and make it even more pleasurable to taste the food people are also attempted I. Think when they're eating barbecue, eat with our fingers and of course. That's a very natural thing to do people say we eat I is but we second with our fingers making something up, you will gauge from your fingers which are very sensitive. What's the texture of this is sticky as sharp? Is it crunchies at soft squidgy and that gives you a good expectation of the texture as you put it in your mind. So I think all of those things are being primed especially. Well, if you're in a kitchen, you might smell the smells but things might be in the oven on scene. You don't see the smoke and you don't want indoors. So I think this is making a big difference. In terms of flavors and things, Barry you're talking about the the sort of tactile nature of food and that being important that's that sensation is obviously being integrated with all of the other assault on your senses comes with eating portion, find find food. If you make the food spicy, that's not actually a taster of flavor is it the spiciness is just a burning sensation, but does that added dimension as well? Is that an additional stimulation that makes the food have an extra something? Yes, it does this is one of the hidden flavor sensors and it's it's in employing the trigem and system. So as you know Chris the try general narrative is the fifth cranial nerve. It comes from behind the ear goes to the eyes the nose, the mouth. And it's the one that rings bells when you have too much with Sabi and you feel it at the bridge of your nose, you feel that. Sensation and also if you have too much. Irritation of the trigeminal nerve, the eyes will water because they think they're under attack. So when you're having too much spice that trigeminal nerve makes peppermint cooling the most muster taste haute and therefore even spices like vanilla which seem very gentle it's spice. These are just giving you that tingle ginger Beasley garlic, all other things, black pepper, and these are wonderful flavors to add. So you need to talk to you need taste you need smell and TriGem Jamil stimulation to get a flavors we love. To, wash. Your Barry, because in recent months we've. Seen the case definition for a person with corona virus change it went from just have you got a cough fever to have you got a cough fever have you lost your sense of smell and taste? So. What's the implication for people who have had current of have seen their sense of smell and taste change in response to this is very well known to Jane unto me since we were part of a team with colleagues from your nose and throat surgeons campaigning to get the government to recognize that loss of smell and taste where symptoms. So very often people say I've lost my ability to taste food. Now when that happens, I'm not sure distaste I think it's mainly smell and I usually ask them to put a bit of salt on their Tony bit of sugar or lemon juice can you taste that and if people say they can taste that but that's virtually all they can taste. Then know they've lost their sense of smell and it's really at that point that they recognized how much smell was contributing to the pleasure of eating the fruity notes meeting that taste of an onion none of that comes from tongue. That's all coming. Combining what the tongue provides with aroma in the nose. So a lot of people started to say the food was dull there coffee tasted of nothing and of course, if you think of coffee without a wonderful smell of freshly brewed coffee, it's just hot water with a bitter flavor. So. What do people noticed I, in their food that they were lacking their sense of smell because of. One of the symptoms, of Covid nineteen and probably because the nose is a major infection site for the virus. This is dubbed Paroles Mayor. Isn't it? Jane what do you Ashleigh doing to try and understand more about what flavors people can and can't perceive an an? Is it true also that people saying that when their sense of smell and taste does begin to return post vid? That actually, it doesn't come back all at once an everything begins tastes normal ones. Well what Barry was describing with animals mayor, and that's when you completely lose your sense of smell and many people with Kobe will get that back after several weeks. But some of the more unfortunate people it will linger for a bit longer and one of the things that happens in the recovery process is the perils meal, which is when everyday smells can be distorted. A. Repulsive and frankly people were in severe cases. They can't be in the same room as people. Cooking people drinking coffee cooking for the family becomes a problem eating becomes a problem. It can have an impact on mental health. So we've been carrying out to study. We stilted before covert it because this is also happens with other viruses. So it's known before this pearls MIA phase. So we've been looking at what? Foods in particular trigger this pearls mayor because it's only certain foods and then what chemicals aroma compounds in particular and I have to say that a barbecue must be mixed nightmare because things with finding that are triggering pros mia is one of them and coffee is the most common. But after that is meat and chicken and beef, and it's the cooking process which is often described as the worst it's onions, it's peppers. Cucumbers. So even the solid is not just the cooking process. It's a series of really potent aroma campaigns. We should triggers what could a person who's suffering with this expect then and what can we eat? Although, we've got a group of things that pearls mixed ten to hate. The things that they like is a lot more variable, but it's generally plan things is pastor. There's a lot of fruit and veg. The is okay for many pros mix, but it's not without exception. Watermelon is horrible for some people and that's really quite bland. If you're someone who's unlucky enough to find themselves in that position. What's going to happen to you? Is this going to be the rest of your life or will it go away? The good news is that for many many people it will improve time. One of the things is recommended. By ent specialists is to carry out what's known as smell training where you sit in a quiet room twice a day you've got a range of essential oils and you may smell nothing to begin with, but just the active smelling the essential oil and about it and going through that process helps you mentally and it also helps we believe to stimulate re growth of the new Ron's which have been destroyed as a result of covert which sounds promising. So do you have any feeling yet for what proportion of people are going to improve what proportion will probably stay the same and what proportion may even get worse? I think he's unlike this that anybody will get worse. We just don't now because we have not enough people going through the pros stage happens. So this there's a three month delay. So we're only just now getting the influx of per people. So we don't know enough about how many people will recover I know that from the nonprofit for makes, there are some who don't recover. Eight, ten years down the line that will be one or two. So we can't promise everybody will recover but most people do but it does take years you know you'll make a slow change from. Foods a really repulsive and horrible things will starts get slightly better. They'll never return exactly to normal, but you learn to live with them. You'll learn to recognize coffee as as what it is now an rather than hate it, but it does get there. Will thank you very much for for the reassurance and bring is up speedmen Jane Tristen the moment of truth has arrived. We have to lift the lid on on the barbecue these really. That bubbled up beautifully and. You can see that on outside slightly golden on the top, and if you look in the edges, they're. Beautiful sort of Golden Brown color. The. Man was right and he's he's upside down cakes cooked in their tins on the barbecue just we're just pulling them off now the sausage look pretty good to Tristan hand it to your pretty Camin sausage on the barbecue. Even if is gas who knows maybe it make a career out of I duNNo. Barry my mouth is watering. It sounds really good. But what about sound site when it comes to food because we've dwelled on on smell and taste and touch as you said, what about what food sounds like all looks like All these things make a difference I mean if you think of the color of food, if the color is wrong, you don't want to eat. It was a lovely experiment done by weekly in the nineteen seventies where he had people in ultra-violet room eating steak and chips and asked to say whether the state was tender. How would the chips these they're discussing the? Food and then he flipped the real lighting on and you saw the steak was blue bright blue chips were green and the piece where read some people had involuntary wrenching. That's funny because they don't really been discussing and talking about the food. So it shows you that high food luke's. We'll have a big impact on whether it's acceptable and then of course signed. Interesting when we're thinking of chefs like trust them, you're thinking of the musical sound to assess the cooking the pan sound too angry as the sizzling too high do I turn it dying but also on aircraft sound of white noise and our ears, eighty nine decibels or above has an impact on the brain's ability to process information from the tongue. So salt sweet and. Sour Reduced Considerably, maybe ten to fifteen percent. So if you want a better experience when you reaching on an aircraft, take your noise cancelling headphones or something within mommy, mommy seems to be immune to this effect on what's got lots of mommy on an airplane tomato juice because tomatoes rich a new mommy. So that's why people have bloody Marys plane at no other time. What about just the beautiful outdoors Christian Elena outdoors what about being able to see trees and? Grass and things like that. Yeah I think you're getting all of those those wonderful sites and signs remember some of our happiest memories especially from childhood. If we had happy childhood are being outdoors and summer having picnics, those are happy occasions. So the smell of freshly cut grass the smell of all that chlorophyll. The, these are odors which remind us of happy occasions and when you also of eating outside, you're in a very natural setting and in fact. We're reminded of some of our evolutionary ancestors was when they were sitting around. Fires cooking food for the first time that they were extending their daylight hours by light from the fire they were safe from predators. The develop jaws that were not so strong because they didn't have to have enormous bite strength tweet, raw meat. There were getting these new Kook flavors. So I think there's something almost ancestrally wonderful about watching meet color and Brown and give off roasted aromas and then we're going. To get the flavor as we expect and see the smoke passing before our eyes. All of that is part of the experience of eating outdoors and having a barbecue I am definitely having dinner outside this evening Chris I. Think the moments come hasn't it? Yeah. Well, tristen got one of the cakes out on a plate in front of us. She wants to do the honors Tristen, you're going to cut a slice. Hit we also just decanted the. The cake out onto a plate of pull the paper way I'm just GonNa cut it in half now just looks amazing. Oh, seeing from the cut in half and their pineapple on the top of the Cherry turned beautifully Gooey in the Middle Nice. Wasp. Buzzing around for you. Try to catch eventually, rain his stops, which is amazing. Just you can work wonders, Tristen you catch it all cook it. We're GONNA. Go read this. Have a full page eleanor. This incredible. My fingers. Going to try and get a bit. It's called some Cherry and some pineapple. Reminding Katie Donald Missing. Yup. One of them two minute Jane Us. You missing out big time sorry that you come this delicious cake. A pineapple on the top his rather. But on the top interest and turn them out is this beautiful texture and the most amazing array of flavors that doesn't taste like pineapple doesn't it's just roaring a tin wise that happened. It's very clever idea making upon upside down, put it on the barbecue because aggressive he were talking about earlier really heats and caramelizes that syrup this on the bottom and then the pineapple which has when he's fresh, she has lots of esters. Sulfur compounds that make it a bit tropical but once he start heating, it may caramelizes as well because he's high in sugar and you get compounded cold few renewal, which is really candyfloss toffee type aroma, and that really gives your pineapple that gorgeous. CARAMEL toasty aroma this because it's voted. Thanks for summarizing, for us. I'm not sure if I'm going to enjoy the next course though that's coming up in a second but to tell us first of all, why are flying friends have arrived and as I said earlier, I knew Ellen was in the building or in the garden rather because I came outside of preparing to associated distance barbecue. There was already a wasp buzzing around under a law. So not only did you find one catch one that's Why they put it under glass. So okay. So we have here and absolutely beautiful or German whilst the just yellow ones that you see and they are social creatures, and so they actually been found to recruit their sisters, their nest mates. The best way to deal with on if you have atom picnic is to get a glass very gently put it under the gas to stop her. From recruiting if you kill which no one should do they release a firman from their head, which would attract more, and if you leave, then she will go and attract more. So really if you put them under a glass and then very gently released them afterwards that's probably the best way to deal with it. That was then can tell its nest mates where the good dinner is. To be had and it will go and get all its mates, which is why you've sequestered it. They're exactly do ans- do the same thing. Oh my goodness. Yes, they do. So they are just gorgeous creatures. What they do is you have a scout who will go and find a food source and Co back to her nest, and as she does, she will leave a fermo trail. So almost like Hansel and gretel leaving breadcrumbs. But the amazing thing then is as a recruits more answer to the the source they also laid the trails you get this amazing feedback loop as more ants fine the food source you get stronger stronger signal. So as a result, you get much greater attraction to the area where you use the word feedback because as soon really what it is. Exactly that they have a short term therapy that one will disintegrate quickly once there's no longer food there, but they have a long term one as well. So the will stop being recruited, but then occasion go and check back, which is an amazing adaptation. One of the reasons that you you said, you join our barbecue because we're eating barbecue food and etc, and talk about the science of it is you said, you're gonNA, bring us some barbecued INCEX. Yes I have them right here. So I have salted toffee crunch, roasted crickets, salt vinegar gross did crickets and smoky barbecue ristic kits. Well, I didn't think cricket was that. Because absolutely I'm completely off I've never tasted box before other than snails. Vinegar please. Go the knowledge, all of the Barbecue on doing barbeque. There in a nice little packet. Okay. So I'm just pinning the packet. Here. Chris. House they made them crispy today oven them fry them. Oh. Yeah. How do they make while we eating insects? So sorry, I've come after the bucks. Noise? Actually. Really. Good. Buffet you eating insects is absolutely brilliant for for the environment. So they're very good for you the very high in protein, very low in of fats and that kind of thing. But then on top of that, they are very good because hardly need any water to produce invertebrates. They're very, very effective, efficient, turning food and water into into protein. So that great for the environment so everyone should think about trying them. There has been cutting on though hasn't it because because you can re-re insects on the kinds of foods that actually wouldn't make it onto the supermarket shelves. So they can turn what would be trash into intercity nutritional treasure in some respects. Yeah. Definitely definitely, and you have to remember that each all of the world is a very common thing to eat invertebrates just very auden in the UK to the to not have entered into that. So actually kind of keep getting catching up with the Times. Restaurant tristen. Not just yet. Could you imagine the quickest running around the kitchen that'd be hilarious. Wouldn't. Forget shut down I don't know. Roasted and. crispy. Now. I think. I'm coming around to us. This is not terribly bad. Is it? Fabulous not terribly bad. Very pleasant. I'm very impressed in eleanor. Thank you. fringed meets with them. I would not issue cricket in the future. Well, unfortunately, we're going to have to fire down the barbecue because we've run out of time we gotta get started on the washing up. Thanks to all our guests who joins us this week Jane Park Tristen, Welsh, eleanor drink water, and Barry Smith do tune in next week when we meet the code patients are still sic months and months after their I cough or fever. What's going on in the phenomenon they're calling long cove it well, we'll be investigating. The. 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Paul I host the program. My name is Dan Barreiro former ink-stained wretch. Newspaper of the twin cities guards is the producer and two-time state highschool tennis champion, although the partner press has yet to acknowledge one of those titles delighted to chose to join us today. We have I think a lot on the plate to start a brand spanking new week. We'll give you the involve. Volvo Line of details in just A. A couple of minute will also minutes. I should say blosser. Remind you that the Bradshaw and Bryant inbox has been rebooted for the start of the show. You can reach US via B. O. H. at K. F., A. and dot com booth at K. F. pay an DOT com. We have two confirmed guests I'm still negotiating with a third I'm optimistic. We're GONNA get him, but if we do get them when I suggested he be available to us. we might do some negotiating with John. Affleck as well, but we'll talk more about that. A little bit excuse me later in the in the broadcast. I am delighted as as I mentioned. We are indeed your pick your poison leader. Because in the wake of parts nine and ten of the last dance. Much conversation having to do with the. Famous Jordan well up until now it's been called the flu game. And from this point forward, it might well be called the food poisoning game although I'm assuming somebody's come up with a name that's got better ring to it than that. Depending on which conspiracy theory you want to believe, and of course it was game five of the ninety seven finals. I believe yes, if I'm not mistaken in which Michael basically acted by the end of the game as if he was dead. But still had a mythic performance was literally carried off the floor by Scottie Pippin for late time out. And The Bulls won that game. They went on to win that NBA Finals Against the Utah Jazz as well. and. We learned from Mike last night, and from his right hand. guess you could say athletic trainer Guy. Tim Grover Tim Grover that. He was hungry late was Michael. And we couldn't. It's it's hard to believe by the way room service would not open for Michael. Jordan I'm a little skeptical of that, but okay. Maybe that was true at Salt Lake. Maybe they got rules, and Salt Lake about that in any case, the claim is if you missed it, they. Ordered out for pizza, the found the one place that could that was open to find the one place that was open five like a gang of delivery, people apparently showed up trying to look into the room, and they deliver the pizza, and as as it was explained by Michael. I think Mike was the only one who eight any of it yeah. No I guess everyone else was either afraid to eat some or say Michael Watson the whole pizza them out it's. It's Michael. Let's let them have a whole. Pizza is my favorite tweet off of that last night with somebody said when Michael said I ate the pizza. No one else ate the pizza. I ate the whole pizza. Yeah, all of us now can finally relate to Michael Jordan. It's the only time any of us have ever been able to relate to them eating entire pizza by ourselves. Grover says that he immediately had a bad feeling about the pizza that could be. The whole thing fishy. It's it could be convenient, because did he say it really then sang it now. Bottom line is he gets sick as a dog at at least according to the story. And it has prompted, and then he follows up with a mythic one of the mythic performances, healthy or unhealthy I mean. It added another layer to it. I think I was at that game were talked about that before. did add another layer to. There's no question about it, but it was was a a a ridiculous collect performance by M J again. and it's led to to to thoughts for for me I. Mean What is that like everything else? This new information. has become very polarizing. To the extent that now people are saying. Oh. was food poisoning. Well. That's not as mythic as if what I thought. It was before the flu. And I'm kind of scratching my head on that one because. To me. It's a little bit of a distinction without a difference and in fact. I would argue if you really are wrenching throwing up on the bowl as much as he claimed, he was curled up in the fetal position. At some juncture in in the Jordan bathroom by the way did he had the piano that year was a different year. He had the piano in his room I. think it was the other. Ninety eight second may have been, both I'm shocked. Actually given how much he threw up. I wouldn't want what if he throws up again ruins the piano, but in any case I digress. That's become the new battle. People other people getting defensive about will throwing ups actually a lot worse as if Michael Needs added defense to somehow keep his legendary status intact, but that's what it's turned into. What's more mythic? Overcoming the flu. And presumably, I dunno temperature, one, hundred, eight, whatever or Stomach. Flu or I should say in this case food poisoning. As opposed to an illness. And I would call it. To that degree, you're dehydrated to that degree. It's a distinction a difference. Here's the other thing that's coming in my head that I need help from you on in the audience on his well. Do we have what what would be classified. As the most mythic Minnesota sports performance under duress. Whether it is. Mental or physical? Bad Flu. Bad? Again Pizza Bad pepperoni pizza. By the way they didn't really say what what was annot. Pizza what? Questions about that whole thing. Yeah I know you think Jordan did it to himself well. We know first of all. Can we prove that he? We can't rule it out. I grant you. That is a guy who'd achieved everything. And all he had were challenges conquer. Yeah, why not buy your in Salt Lake? There's nothing to do. He can't find a restaurant who knows? Do, we have one well. Here's the problem I. couldn't I even sent out feelers to some local Minnesota sports historians? Yeah, I have no idea. I I couldn't come up with it and I. Didn't I admit I didn't look hard, but I I couldn't. Off the top of my head, I know there has to be some, but then again. The game also has to be. Significant I mean if you overcome the flu or one hundred five temperature to help. A team win! Your team went in the regular season. I'm not sure that's going to be all that interesting to me. How do we have anyone here's here's the thing fatal flaw. Fatal flaw for us is. We don't have a lot of championship. We don't vote. We gotta couples or anything from the twins I. Don't know, but the one on each ena. Throw up the night before the game I've never asked him that question. What about Frankie sweet music, bloody sock! No did he have to play despite wearing like some sort of open the he pitch into the tenth inning despite an open wound. I think he would have told US foot. What I think though is what I think of immediately. In terms of physical duress, what farve did in New Orleans now basically breaking his ankle, we saw the picture a couple of a week later. He sent out the picture where his whole leg is purple basically from my ankle all the way, yeah! But we, we lost that kit. That's. Played before twelve men cross body. Your options are limited unless we want to go back to the Minneapolis Lakers now when I'm guessing George Mike and played with a tummy ache a couple of times, and still won titles. What about know there might be a couple of those stories? What about Courtney James Having to perform after writing the greatest paper on PMS? That was ever written San Antonio. He was he was locked, basically locked into his room to finish paper. And then he followed that up with the WHA. What victory was that? That would have been the CLA UCLA. That's right elite eight. Yeah, you're right after the CLEMSON after Clemson game. That Bobby Jackson won four straight games. There's no doubt about that didn't happen, but it was great game. So to answer your question. I don't have one off the top of my head. Well Eric Harris had to got through the lead eighty at a separated shoulder. Yeah, that might be that. We can at least throw out ideas. Because none. Came to my head immediately and believe me as a as an ink-stained wretches. We Love Milk, those stories, and if I had one like that, I would've I, would've looked it and I forget I've forgotten a lot more than I remember. About what I've written, and I've told you this several times. You think it's humble bragging. It's not I forget. Which Games Matt in which I'm not part of the reason. I don't assume that certain games is because I don't want to act as if I was there when I wasn't and then you remind me we no, you were at that game. It's okay you can. You can actually recollect if you possibly can so I I don't know. Yeah I mean we're at disadvantages of the all the disadvantages are fairly obvious. We've never had her on like that. Are In our winter sports pro sports. We haven't even come close to having run like that. The Vikings have never had a run like that. Big Never. Want it, but I dare say. If you win and NFL title which we did under Bud Grant. Maybe there's a story back there, although it goes back so far probably wouldn't matter to people. And regular season I'm sure there's several because everybody has to play hurt to a certain extent or sick. To a to a certain extent, but I'm hoping there's a hidden gem that I've either forgotten. Or never knew about that. We can at least discuss because eighty seven. Ninety one twins nothing. As, you say, nothing comes quickly to my mind indicating that we rose above. Great Illness bluebonnets plague. podcast bubonic plague the night right? He goes, and makes that great catch against the Plexiglas you know. I don't think we have many of those I know the year that the links beat. INDIANA. When my hit that shot in game three in Indiana I know that Whelan's ankle was basically dead that whole time. Yes, that's been brought up. That whole time and well. How about? How about didn't she come back from injury? The final four on right, I, mean! She broke her wrist? I WanNa say Oh, yeah, and missed the last seven or eight games. They were seven seed, but still got to host because they were hosting a region, they were under seated at seven, because waylon missed the last like month or two months of the season and came back. They weren't even sure she was going to be back for for the NCAA tournament scored thirty to think against UCLA, the first round downs good, and then went to the final four. Two Thousand Four. I I'm curious. Some some interesting suggestions are coming in. which we will at least. Consider as I, said Bradshaw Brian box is booth. B. O. T. H. at. K. F. A. AND DOT com. And we'll give you as I, said the guest lineup. We'll give you some thoughts also regarding the now end of the last dance, there are no more parts that we're aware of right. I mean there's nothing. There's nothing on the cutting room floor. They say we get. We're GONNA milk some more out of this because we've had such good numbers, such good reaction to it, I do know there's the that show it's called like details or whatever the ESPN, plus that's more about the ninety eight season, but in terms of the Jordan stuff. I think that's done. Percy higher. Harvard migraines doing anything for you. It's every game apparently almost to that extent. Couldn't you say that that in of itself is heroic? Although it didn't lead us anywhere from championship standpoint. emailer Christopher isn't. Playing for a no excuse me Christopher. See the Christopher Matthews got two names. Here isn't playing for Minnesota Sports Franchise. Under duress enough you. Very well played. We. Got You know what I was prepared to make that? The drop dead finished segment one. And, then I'm so conditioned for our contest I so I better not do it because he's GonNa. Then jump in guards. He's got the Jo wait a minute now where we go, but we got no pay your bills today, we could have done it. This way announced too late. Now it's ruined. We will never get that moment. Any particular reason you picked this tune gourgeon. Michael Jordan got ready for game one of the finals. It's all I know. A game. They lost not correct yes. By the way Phil wasn't very zen in that last huddle right before. They tied it up about that. Down there for your teammates and be positive. That's I that's. Gee I'd like to see a whole, not ten parter. On the on the entirety of Phil Jackson Coaching feel this mistake. But I mean. Anybody who thinks all he did was Zan. Including Phil Quite frankly delusional proof it. There has to be a number of strategies implemented, and there's Times where all the pretty poetry in all the pretty montrose you can come up with aren't as effective as. Get bleeping Golan here. What are we doing? Basically said. The game should have been dead and buried, didn't he basically said they should have already won the game. They were down to a in earlier that they had not played a very well. It was very effective, and my guess is part of the reason. He was effective is he? Didn't go to that card all that often, so it's it tends to get greater attention all the way around. I don't know why the wives acres out. There would think I could relate to some of the. The snark that's coming in. Tweeter Tim. Slightly different category, but hero roic nonetheless Kurt cousins to two thousand and nineteen season playing behind that offensive line. That's that's an ongoing one. There's a lot of those coming out. I'm getting a bunch. Of those kinds of things, terrell spree well. Had! The mental duress of Having to feed his family while playing. Although he never did play again with US right now return down three years twenty one mill twenty one million dollars. Longtime local sports historian. Have you heard of them Patrick Roisi I have. I mentioned. kiddingly George Mike and earlier than maybe we go back to Mike. And on Cue. This is what he writes. George Mike and fractured leg before Western finals in nineteen, fifty one played it a boot versus archrival rochester royals, but despite noble effort royals won the series three games to one. That's our problem. That's the only time from forty eight to fifty four that Mike and the Lakers did not win title Bud called him the toughest athlete he has ever played with or coach. He played a he said in a cast by the way, not a boot impressive, but as you said, and by the way the fact that you have to go back to. That would be almost seventy years ago. To find one that might fit and even that is a loss. Tells you, perhaps, all you need to know. About this particular. Sports Market! Willie. Burton break his nose. Yeah, sweet sixteen run. I think he did because we had the shirts had like a Goldie. With a broken? No, they brought him back when Willie's number went into the rafters this year. Like a Goldie with a mass, that's right I, remember. Yeah, I think that was in the sweet sixteen Jason Rights. Ponder had a bad arm, but overcame and beat the packers to. Walk. I love the rubes. It's just perfect. It's it's an in its own way. It's like I said. It's always good therapy. You you you laugh to keep from crying a little bit. Don't you? A lot of things that are easily correctable the Tommy Kramer Hail, Mary. Comeback Victory in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty two Rashad. Tommy was sweating, sick, weak and still able to hurl the ball fifty arch for the win. Okay. Zealousness might have been more hangover. The nail nece but still. That's just not feeling good. Feeling good right. What if That's one of the the conspiracy theories. Jordan was actually hung over. Those redid didn't want just. To it. Yeah cigars can make you sick the if it's the whole pizza thing though. It was a fairly elaborate conspiracy. Right because if you just leave it alone and retail it the way it was, it's going to be mythic still. So, if if it's an attempt to completely change the story as in invent a new story. You got to do a lot of work there. Who else was in the room with Michael did we hear why I think it was a communist security. Guys Got George his driver. Grover and I'm assuming one or two more security guard now so probably four or five people, Total and MJ. I'm still having a difficult time. Having, state in that Marriott I don't know if I did on that occasion, but having stated that Mary Marianne. I, by that point, most Mary outs were. If not twenty four hour room, service late room service, and then he sounds like ten thirty. What time did he say what I'm thirty ten thirty? There's eight though I. Say they're. Not that different I'm not buying. Is that the Marriott that majority used to live in I think it is because we stayed at that for a couple of weeks for tennis thing like two years in a row. I think it is. There was nothing to do there well. There's nothing to do there, but I mean eat. We found ourselves in that spot. It's weird. Different Place Salt Lake City. How could we have forgotten? The Sun Burns suffered by Marty Cordova and the tanning booth, and how he still managed to muscle the ball to the ballpark despite. That particular issue. I did forget that to deny. He said we'd never forget it then. We forgot it yeah. dwayne rights I believe farms ankle was bad for most that game too bad. They didn't pull it out. That would have been pretty mythic. That's the one guards. It was he got he got as as brutalized. Is. I have ever seen. A quarterback get at least before the eighty-five did that several quarterbacks I he. At the time I had no effect. I viewed it as. Well, it's smart by the saints. They know this team is so dependent on far. They're going to make him pay. For whole holding onto the ball, and and trying to find somebody to make a pass to. They're gonNA. They're gonNA. Try to physically take take their toll on him. That's what I thought. It was I thought it was smart. We come to find out after there might have been a little bit more to it. But Michael Jordan. Ah just put it this way. He wouldn't thrown across his body. For Interception Michael Jordan would have found a way despite whatever the. Ankle injury. Knee injury. Bad pepperoni. Whatever it was, he would have gotten it done, and there would have been. No self inflicted wound before that with twelve men in the huddle. They wouldn't have had a mistake leading up to that like that. He wouldn't have allowed that man. The Smart Alex are coming in. When you don't have any real wants to think of you gotTa make them up. You won't find a wolves player because they would be out a week if they got sick. Wow. Oh here's another one from Roisi just came in. killebrew dislocated his left elbow severely ought to nineteen sixty five. Reaching into runner at first to take poorly aimed throw didn't return until late September yet playing both third base and first base. Was Part of our game seven are seven-game. Wait for it loss. The Dodgers First World, series, we're not gonNA find one. I mean that's mythic. That's impressive. But the whole thing that makes it rich is. And they still found a way to win right? That's the whole point of it. I mean people would have. Same thing if you go back to, we did the was it the fiftieth anniversary of the Willis Reed trotting onto the court game seven. NBA Finals back in seventy, one, seventy, nine, hundred, seventy and. You know it would have been a hell of a story even if the Knicks had lost, let's be honest. We wouldn't have fifty year. Celebrations are anniversaries discussed on it. If, they lost the game, but because they want it largely without him. He didn't really do much the rest of the game, but he's sort of set that tone. That's what changed. Everything for us. Joe Webb! Leading the Vikings to victory on whatever night it was, that was that game that got postponed because of the The roof collapsed. No, this was the one in philly where. Was it still store yeah. And then they changed the day Yup to a Tuesday night yup. and I mean the ceiling email racial, good point. He battled he the he led the Vikings to victory, even as he battled the common quarterback affliction. Of throwing the forward pass or having difficulty. Throwing Forward, pass the on sharp. Knives or sharp. Giant political, join us in the five o'clock hour today. We're still negotiating with another. Last answer related guests that we hope to include. We'll keep you posted on that. We leave the toy department to chat with our old friend. Pablo Fox nine. Who's been reporting on what will probably be the lead story tonight? I'm guessing on nine and elsewhere the stearns county bar kerfuffle bloom is on the and clinic. And cataract hotline as we say hello to you, sue or Sir. I should say sir. ARE YOU STILL DATELINE ALBANY MINNESOTA? I am. I am sitting across the street from Shady hometown tavern, which still remains other doors shot in terms of going inside, but still a pretty good crowd. It's almost turned into a little bit of I. Hate to say it, but of make America great again rally both on the sidewalk in the park. Right across the street, but you're right. lead story tonight on a day where more of Minnesota opened up right more retail stores, more malls The businesses is back to normal. It's not normal, but you know a new normal in some places, but as headline. Headline I saw this the newspapers running with it at the top of their website this afternoon, but it's the business that wanted to open a couldn't That's topping the news headline Chris Chris. Shift Ler the owner he had made clear I. Think over the weekend I'm opening I. Don't care what anybody says or does. He announced I think earlier today that he was not going to open update the listeners who may have been away from this story about the sequence that led to him reversing his field at least for now. Share so last week. I excited in the Attorney General's brief with the court actually spoke out the Fox, nine. My colleagues, aerodynamic also very frontal on on facebook per shift for the owner of of the spars, specifically shady's. He owns half a dozen bars and restaurants kind of through throughout stearns county. He said despite the fact that the governor has extended the bar and tavern shut down through at least June first. He was going to open at noon today. So proud the Senate I would. Would say a couple of hundred to three hundred people had gathered outside his doors and advance this noontime bar opening where people would get inside. Presumably the have a beer a burger you know whatever's on the menu and minutes before about eleven fifty five, he came out with a bullhorn, announced somewhat tearfully that he was not going to open his establishment, and what had happened over the weekend. The Attorney General Preemptively Keith. Ellison went to court filed suit asking for an immediate injunction to stop him from. His doors and early this morning a judge here in Stearns County issue that injunction, basically telling them you open up your violating the law and presumably fines. You know I read the order. I don't WANNA say he risk jail time. But he was risking a court order at this point. So the doors have to remain shot that will be an argument heard on this matter on May, twenty seconds in a few days ear where the lawyers will hash it out, but for right now he did have to keep doors closed, but what's happened is he's still allowed to serve you know. Walk Up, so. Staff was circulating menus he can. He can sell off side beer, so the crowds have still Calm and continue to come throughout the afternoon. He's clearly making a few bucks a day. These also hawking some some shade merchandise on the Sidewalk Albany is what about eighty or ninety miles northwest of the twin cities. Is that correct? Correct beyond Saint Cloud. If you're driving up ninety four, and then we're pointing out. Is The attorney general does? Stearns County is one of your hot spots for Covid nineteen right now. A lot of the processing plants and Saint Cloud itself responsible for some of that type of situation, but the attorney general made clear in his court arguments that this is not a spot where you should be messing with covid nineteen. You may think Albany rural out of you. Know way out of the woods or something or out way out State about the attorney general made it. It clear that this area needs to you know it's important spot to to govern by the governor's public health orders right now and Certainly a judge agreed this morning at least in some parts I wanted to hear oral arguments, but for now yes, Shady's remains closed population. I think about twenty seven, hundred as well so fairly small town I'm sure you've talked to a lot of people and and tried to garner reaction. How would you sum that up what you would have heard from from the average Rube I mean the average Ruben Railroad Avenue. Albany's main streets cute. Cute the small town Minnesota I mean they're angry, right? These people are upset. several bar owners from across the region have kind of descended thinking. You know they follow this guy's blueprint Chris Chef lawyer and You know if he's opening today I interviewed one gentleman who's got a a bar up in the brainard lakes area. He basically said Paul. I have between Memorial Day and Labor Day to make bank. People came up for the fishing opener. BRAINARD packed. I can't open my bar restaurant right now. It's not fair and when I hear about a lot on this main street. There's this idea. Idea right? These are all mom and pop small time shops. You know you hear the arguments about look the big box stores have been opened throughout you go to target. You could go into menards you. Can you know go into Home Depot? The local flower shop have been closed up until the recent days. There's frustration here and you know. We heard it and You know the the judge made his order today the Attorney General has made clear. These orders are in place for a reason and he's. To, he's going to enforce them and he's going to go to court to make sure the the walls administration. Have some power with their pandemic orders right? Is there any and I don't know if you're if you're how wide scope you're, you're able to carve out where you are. But is there reason to believe? They're going to be other owners who are GONNA try to to test the governor on this or push the envelope or even tried to get into court to to try to challenge some things whether they have much of a chance or not I mean. Is this a one shot deal or are we going to hear from others? Do you think? There are certainly others I. Don't you know have names and locations, but certainly and the the governor and the Attorney General's. You know right through of their news news releases made it sound. That were other establishments that were eyeing at the gentleman I spoke to a big, AL and big house in the brain lakes area. Give him a little shoutout, but he was planning on Friday and advance of another. You know brainerd lake well of. Of course Memorial Day weekend the long weekend, and he's just watching traffic. Oh, by. He was planning to open on Friday. Obviously June one has been the state. The walls administration has targeted hopefully to open, but certainly to get the proper protocols and safety guidelines in place for bars and restaurants, but you know shades owner Chris. Schindler says he's got it in place. He spread out his tables. He's willing to let in a smaller crowd. Crowd he's got the hand sanitizer everywhere. He took his staff temperature today and anticipation of people coming inside establishment, and you know if you've seen the photos. I tweeted a couple of video clips off from the scene today. If you've seen the photos in the newspaper online I mean that's out of two three hundred. You know did not care this morning about social distancing. I saw maybe half a dozen NAFF in the group. These people want. Want to be given their own choice and their choices to come to a bar today. At least they have a beer of Burger together and You know that's what they want, and then they don't feel. They're getting that from their governor. And this administration says point where you're chatting with our Paul Bloom Fox nine who is covering what probably would be the news topic, the announcement that the the apparent showdown in stearns county. And with the bar owner Chris Schiff Ller, saying Cross the courts in this regard a we will not open. As he had a key proclaimed, he would do I believe he owns, doesn't he own like six restaurants and bars? Is that correct half a dozen? He I. Don't think I don't know exactly as the stuff affinity with which which ones he was going to open today certainly was targeting his flagship this this his largest business again right on railroad avenue downtown. All. It's also kind of. Of An event center, but worth pointing out here he has to go fund me. that launched in recent days doubt and he promised was just for legal fees and anything above, and beyond that's raised beyond his legal fees would go to other small businesses in need, but it now race two hundred thousand dollars in just a few days. I mean that's coin and I asked him you know in an interview today. You know why not keep challenging. Challenging it right and and you know He. He talked about I have no idea he's you know knows what he's talking about. He you know. He acknowledges he's not a lawyer, but he didn't want to lose everything. Right here right now. He had no idea You know what consequences if he did allow people in, but he now has some money to fight this in court The arguments are coming in a few days orally that. That will here. We'll see what a judge eventually does it obviously across the border in Wisconsin different circumstances, but that you know supreme? Court throughout the governor's order at least some respect, so we'll see how far Chris wants to take this. He certainly has some funding now to do what's necessary, but again you're up against a June one deadline. Where perhaps the hours restaurants would open anyway and is a fight really going to last much longer. Than a week well as you said, and that's what's going to be interesting. What the details of because the governor I do think is getting in an increasingly ticklish situation here where he he he kind of needs to thread, the needle and that to the extent that some of this frustration, especially as it applies to small businesses, and you could say even businesses that weren't restaurants before this recent dialing up or dialing down that we just there was just announced by the by the governor late last week. I think a lot of people can relate to some of the frustration. What seem to be some inconsistencies as pertains to the you know the math. The targets of the world COSCO's of the world home. Depots of the world allegedly with some important stuff. That's why they were still open essential stuff, but these huge stores still open and parking lots pollen I'd see him jam or I mean just only jammed, and so if you're the average small business person, and now in this case restaurant obviously I, get some of the frustration. I think that's in part why the governor knows. You know they're going to have to come up with something here. To attempt to satisfy some of that or at least eighty, some of that frustration that's out there as difficult challenges is forever. Charge about all right. What should we open? What should we do in the name of safety? ETC, etc, the consistency issue I. Think is one that has been I, think the toughest for him to to to battle. I would agree fully again. Just anecdotally. The flower shop on this Nancy in Albany. That was forced. Be closed when someone can walk into a home depot. Own You know I've gone into. Pick Up. Some you know home improvement supplies, and then these stores are packed and you know there is a legitimate argument You know to be made here on Main Street I mean obviously my God is the governor does not personally want to. You know crush businesses, but you're right, it is it is a a needle that has to be threat and the frustration. Frustration is growing and You know I got a sense of it today you know, an hour and a half move from the metro so different you know population base, and I'm accustomed to circulating with You know day to day basis, but yeah people are calling for them to make their own decisions. These stores you know no one's trying to say we, don't we can. Just you know go about our business returns to normal? As is you know people have business? Owners have protocols. You know willing to stand outside for a few extra minutes if You're going to limit the number of people inside. I mean there are some things people are willing to do It's just they want. The opportunity given the chance to do those things. Did Chris Shift Ler the owner of Shady's. Did he acknowledge it all the fact that the numbers in a relatively small community while stearns county gets more little more widely. Are. From a per capita standpoint pretty high, was there any acknowledgement of all right that does make things in this particular spot, potential bit little bit more problematic to open. Yeah, he didn't specifically ask that question. I don't WanNa. Put words into his mouth, but I mean he's clearly he cares about his livelihood. You know. He says he can't survive without opening know. Pick up takeout orders just aren't cutting it. He has staff he wants to pay. You Got Emotional talking about his staff, but you know I heard one of his loyal customers in line as we were talking with them kind of mentioned that look you anybody from a senior center here we can come in and have our meal or half our beer and you know there is this element of the feeling of you know this. This diseases targeting perhaps one segment of the relation and you know if you can you know if there's an order that you know? The elderly can't come out to his bar restaurant. Certainly they're willing to hear that, but you know again this this desire to Kinda WanNa. Do you know what People WanNa do and spend their money where they want to spend their money now you know today a little bit probably other show right targeted. Noon opening on facebook. You made a you know gone on. TV about it so this you know I I grant you. I came to a little bit of a dog and. Pony show ended up itself, but at the heart of that you had a business owner who wants open? Who wants to pay staff who wants to be able to make rent, and and he sees away again. He put the protocols. He says he's ready to go and he wants that opportunity. Last item for you and and I don't WanNa. Put you in position where you have to be the ultimate social distancing arbiter, but in this process of trying to figure calculate what should be open. What shouldn't what kind of prudent decisions Canada governor make? Should Governor Governor Make Etcetera Etcetera? Is the disdain in general to this is give me what the the working theory is on the distinction between businesses, opening and restaurants. Is it that in a restaurant you're going to have people not moving in the same place for as long as it takes them to eat for example, and that's what makes even if there is the tables are spaced. That's what makes that different than saying rich daily. You want to open up. Go ahead gallery. You WanNA open up open up. And people can circulate through. Is that the distinction that has been drawn to this point? Think that's a great point. I saw Tomlin my colleague. A last night where you know the time in a restaurant you know in terms of the airflow and important that is you know food processing food, people in in the food and the back and the kitchen as they walked through the restaurant. What does that look like I? Certainly, it's not an area of expertise for myself. You get into gyms and then hair salons as well you know we. Don't forget the hairstylists today out here so It's just difficult, obviously, the bore. The closer people are together in a closed environment. I think the greater the risk and. You know the public health officials are setting these. Guidelines and protocols for a reason they WANNA be safe It's just a I saw today clearly, and then come as a shock to make, but there are a lot of people frustrated, frankly angry that this is the system they're they're. They're living in right now whether they don't feel. This disease has touched them specifically where there are better ways to fight it whatever the reason is. People are getting agitated. And of course it's become political is everything does here so there's you know again? Kind of felt like at times. you know almost like? Like a trump rally outside thanks as always bloom. I'm assuming you'll be all over the five o'clock six o'clock to seven o'clock nine o'clock in ten o'clock right I gotta believe you're going to be front and center on all of those. The story will ask throughout the Fox nine evening newscast whether or not I remain live in Albany. Is the crowd dwindled we will, but yes, the story will be all over Fox. Night and thanks for having me. Thanks for having have been on with us on short notice once again. We appreciate a man. Take care. Thank you. You can be good. That's Paul Bloom Fox nine from Albany Minnesota where the a topic from a new standpoint is being a covered. Bigshot restaurant, owner guy big shot, I mean he's in charge. not I don't think an expansive restaurant or bar had said over the weekend I'm going for it. Convinced otherwise, and then largely by judge, and he was apparently not interested in crossing that particular line bloom on top of that story Let's get a break in some EMA interesting emails of come in and I continue to get some updates on some other MYTHIC MINNESOTA, sports! Performances despite all odds. From a great. Minnesota sports historian. He's working this thing hard for us. which I very much appreciate. We'll get into that in more detail. Don't forget Johnny Athletic in the five o'clock hour. We've got some good sound get to from. The last dance as well that guards he has has put together and. WHEN WE COME BACK A. Year observations I've read that I had honestly not. Completely thought of regarding the last dance that I is worth mentioning and I think it's pretty true. Things, you do. Johnny join as I mentioned in the five o'clock hour of today's broadcast. It appears as if summer is going to start this week. Eighties by later in the week steam coming in out of Houston Gun, belt tight. But I can't with a straight face. Complain about the humidity. Given everything else. We've been dealing with so. I'll I'll I'll buck up. I'll take it. I'll I'll be really courageous. And not complain about the steam. Because it's common, it is seems inevitable this week. Not yet today I. Don't think better. Start hydrating. I do my best guy. Electrolyte stuff going. No doubt about that sort of deal. Is it fair to say that over the course of. Ten parts. That means. Ten hours correct a program, yes. That in the last dance. The only. Wife, And your significant other girlfriend. Who got even? A SECOND Of Airtime and attention. Was Carmen Electra. I think that is fair. I think that's correct. I. I don't necessarily mean there's an editorial comment, but I. It was brought to my attention by. A Chicago Tribune writer, and it is interesting all that time. All that discussion. All those dramas playing out on several. And fairness and savagery Michael Jordan's mother. is a woman who gets a fair amount of attention and interesting attention. Right as the person that Michael. Listened to yeah early and often, but that's a mother. Girlfriend or wife? Nothing. The only other wife we heard from was coming electric. The security guards wife. That's true. Right or not, George but I'm forgetting his name. Correct and died and Michael. He became Michael's protector Benchley right. We heard extensively from her final episode or to your, but nobody else really except for Carmen Electra. We heard out Phil Jackson top his wife Yes, we did in late. That's true which we're going to get to, but I don't know. Yeah. We didn't hear Mrs Jordan. Jordan's first wife. It'll hurt from his kids late finally as well. I would like to hear more from his kids truthfully because I think they have an interesting perspective. Her that and this was the first time we heard from the kids, not unless I, missed it, the boys and Jasmine the daughter which I thought they were really funny. They were good. To Utah, because the crowd was so bad, he had kids forgot he added why. May well be that she. Doesn't want to be front and center at all I get that, but somewhere along the line there'd be. A girlfriend or significant other given. You know the depth that this was done with you. Know what it was all about that. That would indeed be the case Rossi's. She's back. He's got another example that he thinks might be worthy of our attention. Although, you know how it's GonNa Hand Yeah. We've already established. We have no mythic performances in victories. No, we have a several. He's reminding us in loss including the nineteen fifty nine junior world series. The Miller reach the mini. Well, it's pretty. It's pretty rich when you hear the details Minneapolis, Millers took on the Havana sugar kings. The. Millers the American Association. Yeah, little I mean literally I mean Havana sugar kings. Internationally Nikola. Park this is fifty nine. Castro has come to power. Last five games played in Havana due to freezing weather in Minnesota, the millers fightback from three games to one deficit despite intimation. Or maybe it's intimidation of armed Castro ragamuffin surrounding the dugout. Excuse me, but then the sugar kings win game seven the winner. Take all game seven three. Two two and we indeed do what we always do. We lose. His conclusion of Miller's had MJ. He would have told Castro on his shoulders to bite it. And done something heroic to win game seven. There's not any question about that. Can we get into that a little bit to? The. Well the game seven that. Is the crowning achievement. It's the end of the second three peat with Michael Doing that shot, and then the. That pose pose. No, you mean game six. Excuse me, Games. All right now I'm with you with. Utah, but he told the whole just follow through his follow through its again. And I did right I. DO I do remember writing this years ago. The, the saddest part of the MJ story is odd as it sounds given all the attention. He gets constantly and is getting again another whole. Layer of it is. That because he was so physically gifted. People do not want to accept the degree to which. A great deal of his brilliance was related to spectacular fundamentals. Now you can come into the League is a good shooter, but he left the league a great shooter, especially great mid range shooter. He was a better three point shooter is career went on not great by today's standards, but the it wasn't as important of the game that right, but you see the footwork. On the drive, and yes, the the subtle, shove on that play, but then going straight up for the shot his form. His mythic. It's fundamentally breathtaking. and. We were reminded that. What made that performance so great wasn't simply that shot. It was three plays. Inside the last minute of a game, in which the Bulls were down three right and starts with. Jordan doing the same thing, he did in the comeback game when they wrapped up in Phoenix where they need to baskets. And they don't have much time, so what happens on both occasions? Michael just drives to the basket as if no one's GonNa, stop me and gets an easy layup with almost no time coming off the clock, each cases each case which allowed them the bulls time to then finish the job, so he makes that layup that drive easy. then. He flunked sues Karl Malone down. Low Rodman guarding him, and he comes from the weak side behind them. Baseline smacks the ball out of. A, pretty strong is hands, steals it from him so now you've got the defensive play of the game. And then he's also got the ball and then it's. Do we want to call time out? Or do not WANNA, call timeout. In this case, they didn't call time right, and in this case we know the rest he. Gets the ball. Drives on Russell? And you know earlier. He'd given Scotty Report on Russell. Another one of the individuals that he had a grudge against for a silly reason list on the list. You have the less that. Russell played up on his on his toes. And you could see it on that. Play it for a guy like Jordan with the moves. He still had the craftiness he had by then. It made it easy for him to create the separation. With or without the shop. Because I agree with costs. What he said Russell was already moving away helped, but he was already a little bit off balance because he plays on his toes and Michael could just make Michael Does did what he does. He stops on a dime, and then he sees all all I have to do is elevate at this point, right and take the shot. Do we have that we have? I think some conversation laying out narration laying out those plays Steve Kerr included. WHO's in WHO's in I. Don't know of curves. Costas starts saw okay on the last forty one seconds of game six Michael Jordan this advanced stage of his career. Has To carry the team gas to play extra minutes in ruling series. And the last sequence in the final half minute plus. Is One of the greatest sequences you'll ever see in any sport. Tonight to get three. To get a quick. The. On To Winning Takes right to the rim, lays it in. Now, we need to stop. When I made. It left and went back down. And independent play Pooh the home. They ran that play couple of towns pocket. And Denison Malone inviting all game. In College. It's totally forgot that I was on the weak side. Never cleared. Up the. Now I got the ball and I could see. Fill you know basically quota my. We're GONNA call a timeout. If, we could do something with them. Talking about North or give against a set if We'd rather go with the liable situation set. Championship! would. Get the hell out the way. The way the way all the big dig. was planned myself right down I knew signings. He's GONNA shoot as He is not gonNA pass all your. John Patchett of Steve Kerr Halo. He is his time. went on scoped over floor. Felt like they can get junk shot. All I can get all the way to the basket, so it's just a matter of picking the right time when the attack. UTAH. Seconds left Michael Jordan. Running on fused with forty five points. At the end gotTA game mechanic get out of his hand. He's a killer. Yeah I think that was that last voice was Isaiah. who was on the broadcast on that occasion? And we now know it's well established. It was already established then. MJ was indeed a killer so. That's to me. The important theme from or message out of that game. Obviously, you don't finish any better than that. Although technically wasn't the end of his career, he came back. Not Very successfully with Washington, but for the second three peat. You can't ended more dramatic fashion, but it wasn't just that play. They needed three plays. And he in this case, he made them all and. You heard Scotty pippin there say I. My job was get the hell out of the way partially, because Scottie Pippen was more or less meaningless game six because he hurt his back. I mean Jordan went through that whole game, or did he? Maybe Jordan. Yeah right, but. Basically went through that whole game after the. Pippen hurts his back. I think that's hurt to begin with. Yes, but he aggravates it on the first basketball game on a dunk. He gets a dunk and so pippen. The Greatest Robert of all time is meaningless, more or less through that entire game. Jordan and the rest of the Bulls have to navigate that stretch on the road against a really good Utah team without Scottie Pippen that is, if you're a Utah Jazz, fan or are Karl Malone, or you. John or you are John Stockton or you are the. At the time Jerry Sloan that has to be the most unnerving aspect of it in that. The food poisoning, whatever flu stomach flu poisoning whatever it was. That game. In which you're playing at home. and Michael's getting IV's thirty seconds before he plays. And the Scottie Pippen game where he can't move also in Salt Lake, city. And you lost them both. Both Games. You went down and you could say well. Yeah, this, that's Jordan. We've all done the column about the number of Hall of fame players or close to hall of fame players. who were denied history? Yeah, by MJ, the list is. It's absurd how extensive it is. The East One out of the playoff Patrick Ewing. Obviously Charles Bar Charles Barkley. Karl Malone John Stockton, it goes on and on that. Will you literally say? If! There's a hesitation to think. We had a really good plash, really one the big one. You say well. That's because they came along at the wrong time. You know it's not the first generation. If that is indeed happened Reggie, Miller absolutely true Reggie Miller is another one for sure. The was another part of episode nine. It was Jordan. pity biplane I think Reggie summed it up really well, though, too when I heard Jalen rose talking about it this morning. As well I've forgotten, I mean I live this, obviously as a rube and I watched all of these games and I loved the NBA back then. I'd forgotten how stacked the pacers were I mean I think that was a hell of a team I. Think they had a point that they had a better team. Top to bottom. You look at their you. Obviously Reggie was great jails. Good Mark Jackson Rick Smits the Davis brothers absolutely That was a that was a big time team with Larry. Bird. Coach what? What what Reggie say they had Michael and the championship pedigree and pedigree that ended up. You know because you Reggie talked about a shot that I think kerr hit with like a jump ball with the Pacers. Three at the Bulls got that stretch that led to a stockton three that I think tied it right occur three. Yes, use me incur three tied it. and. Basically we heard from Reggie was that. Was it and I'm thinking well. You're kind of proven the point on pedigree. Because hundred percent they're still five minutes to go in the BLEEP and gay. So you, if you. Imagine. Jordan San! Backbreaker hit that three five minutes to go and it's tied again. Jordan would laugh about that in many others, not just him actually. That I thought was very instructive that man. If that's if that's all it took for you guys to Kinda cave the fall and you didn't have quite that extra gene, or you didn't have the experience, or you didn't have Michael whatever the case may be matters. Any of those Things Bradshaw Bright inbox is open booth at K.. F. A. N. DOT COM I WANNA get a couple emails from our conversation with Fox nine Paul Bloom and Johnny join us in the five o'clock hour of the show. Let me check one place again to see for making any progress on my extra guest. It appeared I had an opening. We had contact. and. I was told four thirty won't work because he's doing an interview on wls at four thirty, but maybe many was doing a show. That starts at four thirty wls very possible. Who knows I'm guessing? He's pretty busy. I propose five thirty. We'll see if we can get that done with a guy who I don't think was quoted in this one the last two, but has been early and often a rick calendar Longtime Chicago. Sports Bigshot, columnist and former. Big Time College football player Northwestern University. You knew that I did know that? Yeah, you reminded me of that day. ECLECTIC. The nugget that I don't think it was a part of last night's. Last dance game one. Of the nine hundred ninety seven finals. Your Guy. Freshly crowned MVP Karl Malone which course Michael noticed. Steps to the line. In the final seconds of a tie ballgame. That's right. It wasn't covered. Scottie, pippen walks by the first shot. Towards Malone before the first shot. And said. It was reported heavily at the time. Big Time Trash Talk Maybe A. Good trash talk as you can imagine given the outcome. Pippen says the mailman doesn't deliver on Sunday. And of course Carl, Malone missed. Both free throws. Jordan hits the game winner. With Brian Russell guarding him and The rest is still. History yet didn't make the cut. They had so much material. Think about that than it did not even. Make. The and I'm surprised by that because well for a number of reasons, but yesterday I. Notice on. ESPN somebody did basically like an oral history of Scottie Pippen Sane that. About because that's obviously, Malone might have missed them anyway. Obviously, but the trash talk adds another angle to it and so I figured that. Somebody had a tip that that's going to be a big part of the documentary. Tonight Pippen's effort to Jinx Malone. And! It was it was like five six pages about that moment, and like what would into it and how Malone worked better free throw shooter, and all those things that didn't even register on the DOT. We manipulated a bit by the director and by the producers of this opus probably. Yeah in one significant way, which ways that well did you notice that they saved until the end of part ten? The acknowledgement of several big shots. Michael included Phil Jackson included Scottie pippin included. All of them saying. Jerry Krause really did a pretty good job. Put us all together. We may not like the way finished, but he did put us all together, and he did a pretty good job on the roster etcetera. Pippen was especially going my point is. Is that part of the media manipulation game you do. Because if they had followed up with some of the cheap shots on krause from earlier with Oh by the way, they also said this later. Then I don't think would've had the same resonance, or there had been as as much outrage or frustration. Agreed it wouldn't have been as big as a conversation piece, so they held on. They embargoed the positivity. And saved it to the very end. The say a little manipulation going on there I, and so you get two shots at it. You get the original reaction, and then you get to. Oh, well. Okay all right in the end. They did give him a little bit of acknowledgment. I also thought and I. Think you have? Let me look at your list here. Yes how long's the reiner stuff about two and a half okay? I came away from parts, nine and ten, believing more and more what I suspected that. Even Jerry Reinsdorf. Early was making krause. To be the fall guy regarding the breaking up of the team. But when you listen to this if you missed it the first time around Alison to you. And this is what we'd been led to believe. A couple of others that REINSDORF fingerprint. Just what Charles Barkley said if you call is. All over the decision regardless of what Krause had proclaimed regardless of what he had said earlier about this being Phil Jackson's last season, and this is it and this is the end of it. The whole bit listened to reinsdorf pretty much acknowledging that I don't WanNa mess with all this stuff and the money, and the contracts and listen, and it starts with Michael getting an IPAD, okay there, you. Riser. I can't wait I'm never. Missed it. We've never had any about why I made my. Wife. After six championship things beyond our control. Because it would, it would have been suicidal at that point near careers to bring back Pippen Steve Kerr Rodman, Reinhard. Their market value individually was GONNA be too high. They they work every worth the money. They were going to get in the market so when we realized that we were going to have to go into a rebuilt. I with the Phillips said. Offered the opportunity to come back the next year. But he but he said I don't want to go through a rebuild I. Don't coach a bad team. That was the end it just came to an end on its own. At, Michael Been Healthy and wanted to come back it I doubt that trump's going rebuilt on a championship teams a couple years, but it wasn't going to happen instantly. Cross early beginning season feel can go eighty two. He was never going to be the coach. So when Phil City, it was the last dance. It was the last dance. We knew they weren't going to keep your team. Now they could've. Nixed all of the beginning ninety why that statement beginning a? All, the guys one nine eight. Steve Courage Buzzer Blah Blah. We give you a one year contract traffic. You think they would assign yes, there without signed for one you, yes. I've been sounded when your contract up today. With Phil done it, yes. Now I'm PIP. You'd have to do some convincing, but if fair was going to be the Dennis. He's GonNa be there. is going to be there. To seven. PIP is not going to miss out that. Nine, hundred ninety two. John Full of energy hungry in ninety eight win win. Six out of Eight And yet being just dominant as you were ninety one. That's the way that the craft came. In I, think ninety eight was much better than any early years because of. How is able to use my mind as well as about? So. Is it then satisfying to leave at Your Pete? Is Maddening in because I felt like. I really believe that. May Not add but. Bad just not to be able to try that's. Something that. I just can't except. For whatever reason I just can't accept. That certainly. Suggested me more reinsdorf influence than anything else. We could argue about whether all the players that. They come back for one year. if better deals were available elsewhere, and they've been waiting for the payoff. Yeah, although I don't know how big the payoffs going to be for Steve Kerr Judd Bush ler, Cetera but a pippen for example. But. That sure signs like a- The the the old leading the witness thing where like you guys wouldn't WanNa come back. I mean I can possibly pay what you're going to get on the open market. Now that's just that's just ended. Now. Right doesn't make any sense, right? That's how REINSDORF comes off and so I don't think you can blame all that on Jerry. Krause no, it really reminded me of what Jack Morris has told us about Karl. where he said I can't pay you what the Blue Jays are going to pay. You should take what the Blue Jays are. GonNa pay you which. That should actually annoy any bulls fan more than not Jerry Krause zone personal thoughts on Tim Floyd and Kerry McGrady and restarting the owner of the team who's just gotten ungodly rich because of this group cartons specifically said well I'm not gonNA I can't. I can't overpay them now. That would be infuriating all it. It's the worst because he the way he describes it as almost like. There was no other Pineville Toscano. What there were several other. It's the deal of. Let's put our best and creative minds together, and at least try it. And, if not winning, if six titles in eight years is going to convince you to go. Let's work overtime a little bit on this. Let's give up on the whole concept of finding a way to fit all these complicated expensive pieces together in thirty seconds. So that's more. The owner in this case I think than the Jerry Krause talk literally with you. When we come back and youth sports with you a subject, we got into yesterday on sermons and I had a lot of interesting emails about it as well but as a former coach. I WANNA get your input as well. We'll get to that Johnny Athletic. Frisk thing she said. To the. Show! saw is going to. A? Shame between Michael and Larry Joe Byrd. After the Bulls win that game seven, yeah! It the the the conversation is so quick. Can You Explain to me which of them says? BLEEP YOU BE. I think I'm Jay did MJ said it to him. That's what I thought, yeah! So MG, so Larry Joe and really get anything. Is that pithy in no? I was kind of she to me. The story is GonNa. Be Richer if if Larry Bird at said that. He did not believe. Yesterday and today and I don't think he said that I played it back to try to figure that out, and that was my impression that it was that it was Michael. WHO said that and There wasn't anything. 'cause there wasn't a witty rejoinder before that to get Michael going. was there what Larry? Say Not? Ending telling him go work on your golf game and all that it was Jordan being the Alpha dog again. Letting Larry Know who's boss whether he was playing against him on the floor, coaching against him. Isn't that something? Via, away real quick before we get to some little league conversation West. They literally I mean you've sports across the board regardless of the sport and vault? Bozic. has written about his own impressions on the dock. and. He mentioned that. Last night he via twitter made the mistake or suggesting that the only player Jordan didn't hold grudge against was George Mike and The first grade big man in the NBA figured that'd be safe. You know what what could he have against Mike? And he writes, does bose several people responded that tweet by suggesting I was wrong. Jordan did have an issue with Mike. Summer facetious one sounded legit. The word was that Jordan had an issue with Mike and because Jordan College coach Dean Smith. Made his players practice the Mike and Drill yeah, the Mike and Drills staple and camp basketball, because it folk forces the player to develop his left and right handed shots under the basket, apparently was the Mike and Drill the motivated Jordan dunk everything pain in the ass. It well. You know what's funny about it. Kareem I had to write a story for one of the NBA Encyclopedia's. Books on Mike and the and the Lakers. Know Dynasty here and I had cream in it, not because I had a chance to talk to him because in one of his books. He noted. His belief in the Mike and Drill that he grew up on the Mike and Drill, and that he thought it actually. Helped, fundamentally speaking, just get you know sort of an John Wooden way. Get the fundamentals down. It's a great thrill so as both says put Mike in on the list with Isaiah Thomas Craigie low. Clyde Drexler, Gary Payton Horace Grant Lebron Smith Byron Russell Larry Bird, Xavier, donal Daniel. BJ are strong. Rodney, mccrae Steve Kerr Scotty. Bureau will do and everybody else. Dan Marla died M J, not including as you said Marley. And don't forget. Charles Barkley, who used to be one george best friends, but as on the outs for nearly a decade. It is a hall of fame, spite list, which is one hundred percent true. What are we going to do? We've got parents. All over the place right now. because. It's almost June. Trying to figure out. If Little Leagues or Youth Sports Whatever the sport is open up this summer. As we start opening things up as we seem to be. What do I do? Do I want my kid involved. Or, do I not want my kid involved? Is there too much risk. Why holding that person back? WH. What's the? What's the? The proper. Lie and these battles are ongoing. In fact, a number of the TV. Stations are starting to pick up. On the subject a little bit. and. I think it's A. Really tough one play off of an associated. Press story that had more to do with national tournaments. And I thought in my mind. The national stuff is still pretty easy to dismiss at this point as being not worth the risk for all the obvious reasons. You've got a bunch more people. Kids come together the travel, the travel central location all stand maybe in the same hotel. Whatever that it? You're concentrating a lot more people than I in theory like to think you would have to do for any. Little League season or at least part of a season. In which you're just talking about local teams from one city or one venue or whatever the case? May Be that that I think. Is Worthy of at the very least some measure of discussion now in some places, the some jurisdictions. It's going to depend on what. Might Right now. We've got a rule of no bigger than ten right so if it's bigger than ten. I you can't really play a little league baseball game. I don't think under those conditions right. It's more than ten are going to assemble for each team. So in some ways the At least at this point, decisions have been made for them, but That could change. The governor clearly is trying to open symptoms some things up long. It's going to be deliberate. It's going to be etcetera etcetera, but I think there's some effort that that's the direction we're going. And my instincts say to me. I'd like to know if it was my kid. What your plan is, you know what your rules are GonNa be. what safeguards you're going to at least try to take. That would sound reasonable. That would be important to me, but that if I was satisfied by that. That I would consider. It'd be hard for me to stand in the way I believe. And I'm like I said I'm on the edge here. I'm sixty five. So and I've got autoimmune, so you know at least in theory, I'm a little more vulnerable to it potentially but I don't know that I'd feel good about standing the because I don't know exactly you know the AP story always made it sound like well. Do you WANNA open business for this I? See I think businesses the wrong word when you're talking about kids I think it's more. Do you want to? Give them a chance to live their. Kids lives out. And play the Games that many of US associated with part of the growing up process I don't think of it. In terms of the the business of Little League, I think of it in terms of the enjoyment of little league and the outlet that that's providing at a time where all these outlets are are have disappeared. School hasn't existed. In the real in the in the way, the customary way we're used to. So to me, that's a more reasonable local little laser more reasonable to discuss, even though I grant unlike the major league baseball. They're not gonNA. Have the money to test kids every day. It's not it's not. A. Feasible to do. What do you think I WANNA try? I definitely would want to try it, and then go day by day or week by week on whether or not I still felt comfortable in the situation I think. We gotTA and I. Do think of it as the business side of it as well a little bit, not just in terms of little leagues, but any kids activity whether it's a community, REC, program or tennis lessons that lifetime or swimming class all the things you know, the high school basketball camps that each head coach does every. There's a million different kids, camps and activities, so there is a business aspect to it that a lot of people rely on that I wanna be respectful of as well including you know. Both of my sisters basically had income tied to seasonal jobs right when it comes to lessons and camps and things. But, I I want to try and say. Let's see what you got when it comes to how you are going to keep the kids safe and what the protocols are going to be in what the social this is GonNa be in all the different rules and the second. That I didn't feel comfortable with it. I would probably say it's not worth it. My kids are young enough where I don't feel like. We're losing out on the next Michael Jordan or Randy. Randy Moss because they might miss a camp this summer, but for others that are ten eleven twelve, thirteen, fourteen, when they are developing and learning and competing I do think it's important to get him back out there so I would wanna try. It might concern with with reducing it to be all that stuff's right about the businesses and a lot of these businesses. That's what that's their business. That's their livelihood I-. Part of the reason. I'm I'm hesitant to to. Boil it down to business is immediately. There's we got path the population. It recoils at the word business. And so I'll say all right if that part of it. You find repulsive when the balance on the other side is, you know living. Then make it about the growth just the growing up and natural you know needs for emotional and physical outlets that we've I think in theory at least like to associate with the mental wellbeing and health of our children, being a component of that a piece of that that's part of the reason that I emphasized that that part of it because. You run the risk, but the other parts like well. That sounds good, and it's a shame that business by I. You know what that's if that's got to hold off. That's GONNA hold up. But can we continue to hold off kids, growth and development. that's a greater concern, and as you said, there's no perfect answer to it because you run into that whole thing of all right. What happens the time the F- you know two kids. Come Down with it. Then what are you? GonNa? Do that team or do you quarantine that you know there's so much? It's so much easier talked about in theory when nobody nobody's tested positive right and. That other people all. To make sure that they're watch your. They're making sure their kids are them. Yeah, know that they're staying healthy all of those things. And so that that would be a concern of mine as well well. I'd be willing to give it a try. Yeah, I would, too. And I and I think I know there's a lot of coaches and so forth that are itching. For that and they want get stuff going one of the debates. Going to see if I can protect anonymity here a little bit. Because, it's not all that important. Who Pass US along me, but that it was. passed along. I'm not sure this is the best strategy that I've heard implemented. In let's just say I'll just say. In this case somewhere in the western suburbs. Regarding Baseball. That there was a request for. As already like two weeks ago. You're either in or you're out. Yeah, not a good idea. At a time when there apparently was either no willingness are no capability. Of explaining what safety measures might be. In place and I'd say. That's probably going to be would be a nonstarter for me. Again, there's no perfect solution. There's no perfect. Protocol I get all that you're thinking on the fly. But I don't think now I know. There's people who disagree with this I. Don't think it's unreasonable to say what you have in mind. I mean what what gives us just sort of your parameters. For what kinds of steps you're going to take you on I know and I'll be hearing from them soon soon if I don't already. W mailers you'RE GONNA. Go, I. Don't need anything. Play Ball! How many kids are we got sick? How many kids get sick and the answer is not very many. Now we get to the issue of what they might carry back to others, etcetera, etcetera, but We've talked about more targeted. Response Strategy which I am ready to listen to. Absolutely ready to listen to on the basis of some of the numbers that we have seen regarding a particular nursing homes, etc, But. There are there are there are people who are San you you're? You're frightened about it too much, and you just you just at some point you're going to have to. Let her rip so to speak and I would say if you're dealing with. Kids. My kids are your kids or whatever. I. I would think you gotTA. have try to have some ideas in place. If you want an educated answer on, yes, or no, and I'm not ruling out a yes, Gimme, give me at least some stuff. I can chew on or some some measure of perhaps a peace of mind as well. I don't know just a thought. Most of our kids, stuff has been canceled already. They already said we're not doing. You're going to try just the lessons in the camps and things, our oldest five and a half, so it's not like we've got commitment, but you had a lot of stuff on the calendar camps, though by definition, mean more kids brought together. Right, and on many occasions like just to say okay. We're playing a little league. We got nine teams in our league and were fine. You know I don't know. It depends. I. Guess on what the Camp would be. And maybe that's a meaningless distinction, but I for me. Some of this is all playing odds numbers, and the more you have, the better I mean. You're not gonNA have perfect. Distancing in a baseball game. We know that home plate, right? That's not gonNA. Be Possible. In any case let's get a pause in top five at five is scheduled next. I. Hope you've got some good stuff for people that demanded a local angle to Richard Pitino. Coaching staff for next year got their wish today I'll give you some details on that Anthony Harris got an a whole. We out a player. We're talking about a coach coaching staff. Okay I thought maybe she I was hoping that that that that's snarky. Tweet you had earlier was related to player. We need players right now. Frankly more than we need coaches snarky. Ale snark. Was He. It was subtly subtly snarky I don't think it was that subtle and he Harris we'll give you an update on him and what? We talked a little bit about this last week when it came to a restaurant, having mannequins perhaps sound different booths. Yeah, and we know that Korea had faked fans in the crowd for their baseball game. We have a fake fan controversy out of Korea that we have to address I heard a little bit about this I'm looking forward to. Just in case you missed it. It's the top five sports talkers of the day. Now it's time for Dan Barreiros top five at five driven by Volvo. What's that time again? Giant will follow maybe another guest. related to the dances the last dance as well. Where do you WANNA start? The Minnesota Vikings Dan broke just after the cake show yesterday. That Anthony Harris said he intends to be back. With the Vikings in twenty twenty, and he wants to remain in Minnesota for years to follow. You may recall that my. Guy Anthony Harris. led the NFL interceptions. Last year wrote on social media that he will return. He will sign the franchise tag I believe he did sign the franchise tender and will be set. While the fact that he signed it and they are now continuing to work. Longer term. So Anthony Harris is set to make eleven point four million dollars by accepting that franchise tender he wrote since arriving in Minnesota with uncertainty as undrafted free agent in two thousand, fifteen at accomplished, my during the play in the NFL, going from practice squad to the active roster, becoming full-time starter to leading the league interceptions during the past five years of Minnesota become home where I want to continue to develop as a player. Having only scratched the surface Anthony Harris. Apparently will be a Minnesota Viking in twenty, twenty or thoughts. We still don't know that. Technically, he could still be dealt right. I suppose, but he intends to he intentionally. Says it. What happens? The IT ends up making a deal well. We'll see I'm sure they would still prefer to get a longer term contract going. To help them for a salary cap standpoint, but whether they do or not I mean I guess I'll be more surprised if he does not start the season with us or that I'll be more or less surprise that there is no season, but that's another story. That'll be Yeah, they'll be a season, but maybe not in time. I think there'll be a season on time all right Pete Roselle and if there's a college football seasons laid. They'LL BE NFL Games on Thursday Friday, Saturday and Sunday if necessary are going to stack. They're going to stack it which they should. People would love. Why wouldn't they? People would really like it the long wait along. Wait for Richard Patino. Completing his coaching staff for twenty, twenty, twenty, twenty, one is now over is assistant coach opening that was open win rob jeter went to take the job at western. Illinois is now filled and much to the delight of everyone from Minnesota. Not only individual have Minnesota ties. He is Minnesota. Native is may his name is Jeff Miot spent the two, thousand, nine, hundred and twenty season as an assistant at I ONA was at New Mexico state for a while, and was a high school coach. Same time that I was a high school coach Dan, Robbins Dale Cooper coach Augusta. We did. Ashley, he was on the Cooper staff and I was on the park center staff. Did you outsmart them? No, they had Rodney Williams who went to the U., so you're saying sometimes, they also had another really good post player I. Don't remember where he delaying chops have their limits. If if you're, you're falling back on the shoe more tone than we did. He was an assistant coach I. Was it assistant coach I wanted to take it to. How our lives could have been different, we were both assistant. High School is at the same time. He now has the job. I want being Richard Patino assistant on still. Think about it. It's hard as you try. Patino and flanking still. That same chair. Flat catching with me unbelievable. I also believe it or not not to make this all about me. I was on the court when our new assistant coach Torres ACL leading into a senior high school at Hopkins High School over here at the Jewish community center. I was playing fall league with him through some friends I may have thrown the past to him can lead to A. That's unconfirmed. He wouldn't remember me from anybody, but I remember him good dude. I'm played Hopkins. also assistant coach at Hopkins, but I'M NOT GONNA. Hold that against moving forward despite my feelings on the Hopkins I'm more interested in we add. We need to players. We got to open roster spots right at the Yes basketball. Yes, and they continue to be. This. Guy. As last week. It sounded like things were going well. When he's GonNa. Commit! Young Kid. And, then the guy's like he's seventeen. Yeah, and they've got feelers out on a bunch of I'll. Just get into college, you got to go to high school I. is he eligible? What's? High School for to say. I think they'll. They'll figure it how I mean well. Let's let's figure it out pretty soon here all right so. Games are starting all over the world. Right had their soccer start. Ouaga. Yes, that's called. Bundesliga, I don't know. What the League is Nascar race yesterday did golf had some Skins Games yesterday involving actual golfer? He you're you're you know the match big deal the match now? The math referred to it as the mass. that's coming up here. I think the this this coming weekend, but a Korean soccer club is in the meat grinder a little bit at sea soul. Had A game against. Another. Really doesn't matter no sound like Oh. Yeah, you're right, that's. Pack Yeah. Here for them. And I won't even try, but they resumed action. You know a couple of weeks ago and They had a bunch of empty seats and they thought you know. Let's try to create a little bit more. Aesthetically pleasing atmosphere, and perhaps let's get some people in there so FC soul. Through in some mannequins. And despite efforts to guarantee that sex dolls would not be used as part of the mannequins, it appears that sex dolls were used as part of the manically fake fans in the crowd at Seoul. World Cup Stadium Se. EXPRESSED, sincere remorse! But they did say that he. One blow up doll. You seen them all the kids. Dan the kids that are watching and they want to know what's going on with that doll. Will describe the doll. well, hang on I. got a statement from the doll manufacturer. Okay? They wanted to add an element of fun with the Mannequin saw the team senator. REPEATEDLY REASSURED BY DOW COM the company that produced mannequins that they weren't sexual products, but when providing its products for the stadium dot com reused some of the mannequins at previously supplied to another company, and that company does manufacturer sex dolls, and apparently nearly all the mannequins at the stadium where female in design. A male sex dolls well, then everything would be okay as long as we have both and I will say in looking at at least one picture of the dolls. voluptuous! which is an illegal by all? The salt apparently got another. Kids really need the really. Kids were asking questions about it mommy. What's the story about that? Don I think we're the problem they could not just be. The Adore launched another. Blow up dollar. What's that all about? God. We're in such a weird time. We've all talked about how we're all. GonNa, learn from you know like Germany, for example you know how the players yeah. Celebrated when they scored and people on the bench were wearing masks all the. We're all GONNA learn different protocols. I'd say a tip to. Any organization whether it's united looking to restart the twins looking to restart. Maybe stay away from the sex dolls early. Maybe get a few games in English. your credibility. Then things are going to go and shout to the sex dolls. Perhaps if you need to K, if if you feel like you're running out of mannequins, you know maybe use the sex dolls as the last resort all right real quickly. Have you seen some of the speaking of baseball? Some of the safety precautions that allegedly are going to be put in place. If in win, baseball restarts. We've talked about some of them yesterday, but maybe these are some new ones I did not read about well. Regardless I think it's worth. There's a it's a sixty seven page documents twenty operations manual. What it is. It is lengthy so players for example. Have to be under one hundred degrees Fahrenheit. They'RE GONNA! have their temperature measured twice in rapid succession. On, they'll be permitted to travel to the stadium comedian, either in their own car or the team bus because taxis, Uber's and public transit will not be allowed. Once they arrived. They'll be checked for a fever again. Two more times. In case, symptoms developed a few hours after the first scan at that point, they will finally be granted access into restricted areas the. The clubhouse weight room dugout field where they would actually do their jobs any baseball putting playing touch by multiple defenders. We'll be removed in exchange for a new one infielders are strongly discouraged from throwing around the horn after an out fighting result in quote, severe discipline, how `bout spitting and all players are supposed to wash or sanitize their hands every half any good. What about spitting on a thought, I saw that they weren't supposed to spit. I would hope or did I not that I not read that right lockers by the way will be stationed at least six feet apart, players will be required where masks unless they are on the field or engaging in strenuous exercise, each pitcher will have an individual set of balls to using the bullpen hitters. We'll be discouraged from using indoor batting cage and batting practice. pitchers must wear masks. Still no word on whether or not. They've figured out all the money issues. Real quick covid nineteen update. Did you see this story with the local angle? The first vaccine to be tested in people appears to be safe and able to stimulate an immune response against the virus, its manufacturer modern A-. Announced Today. I learned about the dinner from one of our regular listeners Dan Flynn. They are stationed in Maple Grove. Even better vaccine the board member Elizabeth Naval. A Saint, Paul native and graduate. Graduate Assane all of daughter three. EMDAD, schoolteacher, mom, she currently is a professor of medicine at Harvard and a health advisor to the national football league. This could be our story. This could end up. What changing everything putting us on the map in a way that transcends all of our insecurities and concerns about being put on the map. We would no longer be flyover country if this ends up being the breakthrough drug that or the hydrochloric when that apparently the president he's taken. It revealed that he is taking. Do you believe he's really taking it or you believe this is him knowing that? Proclaiming it. Gets the media going its version of get rosie going because he knows they're all going to bite on it. They're all going to endlessly talk about it. Report on it and read about it and analyze it, and therefore they're not going to be talking about the other stuff that the president's been up including that latest dismissal, I was gonna say including the firing. I ruled out the now I e. Either with them so there you go, that's it. That's five and we got Johnny Flick and then we hope to add one other gas before this program is done Johnny Athletic is next. Controversial right here on the fan. The Fan. Johnny. Bric. Johnny of A. Right now. Johnny, still relatively young pop, but he might be able to help us with our Our challenge that we issued in the first hour. Of Today's broadcast Janis on the wedding, Clinic Lake and cataract, Opel. Hotline A lot of talk last night about the end today about the Jordan well formerly known as flu game now known as if you believe the conspiracy. Food poisoning game. and. We were trying to muster up. What would be in Minnesota sports history among the greatest examples? Of mythic overcoming of some great medical obstacle. To. Win. A championship really limits us because we don't have a lot of those, but at least to win a really really really really big game. And we got a lot of good snarky responses. Couple serious ones. Maybe the best serious one was from. The far across the Body Game Where he got his body just got abused. He kept going back out there and he would take no for an answer, but ultimately we lost so any come to mind in your career that we might not quite match Michael, but at least get us in the ballpark. Yeah, I'm trying to think about that right now off the top of my head Algo. One was. A stirring post game performance, because after Corey Brewer scored fifty one points in a game. For the wolves shockingly, he was asked to take a drug test after. Any was so dehydrated that took literally like an hour and a half to be able to urinate, so we had to wait forever and ever for him to to interview him after this historic game of history, so that was a gutsy performance. But the one thing that maybe some Wilson's don't WanNa, hear, but I mean certainly Jimmy Butler kind of rushing back from knee surgery to play at the end of the one full season that he did with the timberwolves and out get this team into the play late game eighty two, where they had a had to win the game to get into the playoffs that that was that was one of the more impressive things that I've seen a player do Zach scandal will detect can't out later, though by Michigan, Games because general soreness. That's the problem. I. Think I think so if you're if this is a cumulative. Come out on the wrong end, but if we're looking for one right singular performance, that's it I'm trying to think think of Dan. I I'm having a hard time thinking. I'm sure there's gotta be some Vikings. Performances that I'm just Jim Sasser played with. Every kind of Milady. You could ever think of Jim Marshall. What if you heard? A, back if you heard Fred Zamberletti tell bout stories about him in what he had. The playthrough I mean that those are legendary, but I can't. I don't think any like Willis. Reed Jordan thinks this right off the top of my head like that in such a obviously in such a big game. No, we just haven't. Here's your here's what's sad I had texted Patrick Roy c earlier that earlier today. he's been working this hard for me. which I appreciate, but it's kind of instructive that the the the examples he came up with our from. Nine hundred fifty one. Thousand nine hundred fifty nine. Sixty five was the latest. He could come out with when I say well. That's that's kind of sh tells us we're we're. We're pretty desperate and it's. We're not going to probably be able to swim in these very very deep waters. The sample size of championship moments. I is pretty small and so. I think all links were relatively healthy. As they won their their championships meaning, they may have had some bumps and bruises I don't remember Maya more ever on on her deathbed or anything like that so Yeah, we just we just haven't had many bites at this apple, so the five one may may be as close as we can get in. That wasn't a loss as you point out so Yeah, just I'll keep digging know if something comes to mind I'll definitely please. Please let us know it would be extremely helpful. parts nine and ten last night. What stuck out? What stood out to you? Yeah, I mean I'm just trying trying to think back to to those. To those two episodes I think that some people actually maybe forget how good that Utah. Team was, and I think they did. Give the Bulls some problems, so it wasn't exactly the cakewalk that totally that I had kind of remembered when when I saw back on it I mean the other thing was the very end when they talked about Phil Jackson. Make all all of the players kind of write down what was missing. Gather and Bernie it in a coffee can is like the most zen master moment of Zen master moments. You could think of and just trying to think of. If I could have been in that room and listen to Michael Jordan poelman and Phil do his and Rodman and all these things. What a mullet! That would have been well. You know it's funny. Apparently Jackson. I think this was a story that guards. He gave to me. Linked for me last night. Jackson also had that tradition of at the beginning of the season or even I think the beginning of training camp. He liked to give each player a book to read and the court somewhere in there. was well I. Didn't know he had good examples of how he tried to match up books with individuals, reset. The case of Michael Scottie said really didn't matter then and read books I pretty much. Give them more whatever whatever I add. Leftover rather dismissive. In that way to Phil Jackson could sometimes be dismissive. That's that's kind of the way that he role a you know. The other thing I was thinking about your Dan is is I think that early on especially in this in this series there was i. think a demonizing of Krause, and that certainly carried through a lot of the documentary, as it was his fault that this thing kind of fell apart, but I just got the impression at the end, especially from fill that this was over like the they just they had reached the point of physical and mental exhaustion. That you know everyone you always ask. How could you not keep that team together? What was happening and Reinsdorf says in the piece that. That, he offered fill the comeback as kind of this last ditch effort to see if there still was something salvageable bill just said no, and you know Rodman was cooked, and pippen was going to go get his money, and you just the energy and the capital that you have to spend to go on runs like that especially now, but definitely back then to and what it takes out of you, I think that thing died of natural causes as much as it did. Any kind of ego driven drama behind the scenes that that that may that may have happened between krause and Phil, or Crowson Scotty and MJ or whatever it was it was. That that team at given everything that had and I. Don't know that it had a lot. It's definitely worth pointing out You could make the argument in fact that. These. Guys all liked having krause. Enter Reinsdorf as the boogeyman because. It made them he made sort of hide behind that where deep down they might have all been relieved that this is just as well because I could pretend that I was up for it, but I will say. I came away from the last part believing more than ever that. Jordan might of Hong for another one. Yes, and that. REINSDORF more than krause. Is the villain and I do think there is understandable frustrations, Chicago, or would be anywhere wherever that dynasty was was ensuing was playing out in that Reinsdorf made it sound like I couldn't get these guys to come back together. It's too much money. There are GonNa want too much money and it's like well. You know. Is that the way to present this? Because affect what you're saying. You're almost making it sound like you don't even WanNa. Try. You don't even WanNa. Try to be creative. You don't even WanNa try to come up with some ways. Okay well. Maybe we lose this guy this guy. Maybe we had this guy to, and we can kind of keep the whole band together to me. Rise came off more what Charles. Barkley, said that it's more him than krause. Solve it money and solve it on his part seemingly. Seemingly not willing to be. Let's get our creative minds together, and let's see. Let's at least exhaust the possibilities and see if we can come up with a way to piece this thing back together and it was almost like he didn't want. Even listen to that. He wanted to be sure it ended, and so even when he called Phil and said Hey. You know what you've earned a right. If you WANNA, come back I, if I were fill, I reacted the same way he did. which was almost like Nah. I wouldn't. I don't even think that Reinsdorf came office that sincere that and that and Jackson probably figured that out as well yeah I mean I think that when you watch the the whole documentary and all of the people who are featured at any lengths in their interviews out Reinsdorf came off as the most disingenuous and kind of stiffs and wooden character of the group and so I. Think you absolutely can make that argument. Here's the other thing. Is when you have the greatest player of all time. There just should be this effort to maximize everything you can get out of him and and believe that he is so good that you can bring all their players through Steve Kerr was a very good player. several of the other role. Players weren't really quality guys that that helped out. Ron Heartburn in those guys, but to say that while we couldn't play pay Steve Kerr, so there's no replacing him well. You could have found someone else. You could have found another shooter correct to come in and play it now. The the one guy pippen like yeah. I think that he he did want out. He was going to go get his money and as much as Jordan, said he could have talked pippen to coming back in I. Don't know that that's the case that would have been really difficult to fill that shoe, but you always know that in the NBA, the very hardest thing to find as a true number, one star, and they had the a number one of all number one stars. Stars still playing at an extremely high level, and for that you. You would think that you'd get as creative as you possibly could to extend that window as far as you could. I think that's fair Let's get a pause in. We've got a lot more ground to cover. Talk a little vikings, and we'll also talk about the latest. You've heard regarding the resumption of a National Basketball Association she's in part to with Jonathan the fan. Time for, old? A dead Guy Johnny Homina. Give you an Ode to a dead Guy Choice. I hope you pick one of the two or elsewhere in real trouble, so my Saint Peter and our pretty close. Are, you interested in othing. Ken Osmond Who? Played in a TV show. That was well before your time. I'm guessing. He played. The Best Buddy Eddie Haskell on a O. Comedy show called. Leave it to beaver. He has passed away at the age of seventy six years old. Also over the weekend Fred Willard die comedic actor, and of course, a number of very memorable parts per probably none more memorable than his part stealing the show in the two thousand seventeen Christopher guest mockumentary called best in show. He played the part of Dog Show Color Commentator Buck Laughlin and was absolutely. I mean it. It was just pudding. How good he was you either or both? Are you interested in offering up a an observation? Yeah, I'm a I'm definitely a Willard Guy. I was when I was very very young. I watched a little bit of leave it to Beaver, but not enough to eight I i. know at Haskell's bit and the whole thing, but not really enough. Enough to have any real like concrete memories of him as a character whatever, but willard is just a genius like the anchorman everything that he comes into or that he was in. It was just you could never not bust out laughing at his delivery at his approach at his subtlety Everything was so great I was so sad to see him go because. One of my favorite just character actors that as soon as he came onto the street, I knew I was an advocate, a tremendous film period mockumentary. He was outstanding in it I. Think Ours. He's got a couple of samples for us. She is really give him a thorough going over our judges. Only attribution Simon Teeth is is. Am I seeing right where she put in her hands now. Just checking out the dogs testicular areas. To make sure that that everything is intact to go out on a date with judge e Franklin heavy judged me. That'd be no. He's taken down in back. Now, she's having a Bell EXC. Why do they have run away from? that. What's the point of that? What are they looking for? Looking for the gates and movement, and it's very important to see this more languages soared. Eighty will be checking out this conservative. Judge a woman have a runaway. Verizon Kinda be street. I'm used to seeing them. Run away from me more often than one towards me. now what does that? Is that Isn't it I think this is a tremendous doggone. I would say maybe two three years. This could be a champion dog, but I just think it may be a tad immature for this year. Just trying to get a little plan time in and take your dog down in back for me, please. Not Be funny I don't know if they can do. Just an idea for top. Why did he put the lead on those Sherlock Holmes? And put little pipe in his mouth never allowed to do anything like that. Dress up a dog in a funny way. That's that's not quite what the purpose of this show I. think it'd be really get the crowd. Go you know what I mean. The Sherlock Holmes was a pipe I. Don't know if you can make it. Look like smoke coming out of the pipe, a little dangerous. Kick out of it. All. Add to that whole. The whole thing amazing I don't think I could ever get used to being poked and prodded like that. Laughlin said. Well, watching a judge examined the dogs. I told my proctology one time. Why don't you take me out to dinner and a movie sometimes? Yeah, it was. It's a hell of a film across the board where he is very good in any number of other. Outstanding roles as as well. What is the? Age on him. Gardy looking rooms, eighty, six, eighty, six, eighty six. Seventy, it's not a not good at all. Eddie Haskell can't Osmond. Was the character I didn't know this, but apparently. People at some point got it in their head that Alice Cooper the heavy metal icon. Was Haskell from. Leave it to beaver in a previous life, yes, and. Here's in fact, according to this story. As a result, Cooper start wearing a t shirt that declared no I am not Eddie Haskell. I had never heard and of course. Leave it to beaver was from a different era of comedy. He was Eddie Haskell. The kerikeri played was wally cleaver? That's the beefs brothers, best friend and he was. He. He's eternal. In the character, the the the role he plays is of the eternal soukup. Basically Ron Ozer with Brown noser with with Mrs Cleaver Mr. Cleaver they kind of at some point, I think they they kind of see through it, but it is a role that even though this is an ancient TV show, we all know people like that who fulfil who for will fulfill that role endlessly to the point where you WanNa. Roll your because you know deep down. It's all phony. It's all fraudulent. It's just a front if they are indeed Putting on the best example in my circle would be Kessler. Kessler. Will start trouble on the air or elsewhere, and they'll do the what what I. What I do now innocent quite frankly, Johnny! You're also capable of it. You do it. You fly more under the radar. I think than Kessler in that regard, but you're still also very, and that probably is part of the reason. You're affective at it. Chat Avak can do a lot of that as well he has that reputation around here program director of the Fan who neither guards here. I've seen in about three months. I did talk to him for about ninety seventy really about a half an hour ago. Yeah, it was nice. It was nice to hear. On to your point I think. Eddie Haskell's nickname. Onset was Click Bait. That's what they have. How they referred to that I. Look at myself as More of a pot stirrer than a yeah knows true. Heat like from what I remember Saudi and I think of Casey as well as they are very overt in their subterfuge I am a little try to be of Moore County and try, and just and I'm a little bit more on the timing end of it so I got I just have a knack for when I know that whatever little text and might sand or or or little You know kind of observation I might. Put forth. It's gotTA. Be delivered right at the right time to get you get you going. Yeah, that's that's where I take my recipient of many of those tax. I can confirm you do have an innate of time in your eight. Yeah, there's no doubt about that he later. I think Kenny Osmond. The actor who played the part of Eddie Haskell became a police officer later as well. I! Don't recall where, but I think he did go on to becoming a A police so the results for the beef weren't weren't Kinda paying the bills apparently not I guess I. Don't know but He He. They're also. There was a I'd never knew this from eighty three to eighty nine. He played a married Eddie Haskell. Beaver I never knew there was a second rendition of that show growing up. It was a show. I watched a lot, but the new. Leave it to beaver. I missed somewhere along the way it was on for four years on Disney and apparently TV via tbs as as well so there you have it. one other item for you off the beaten track. Johnny. The University of Kentucky. I'm surprised. Guards didn't get to this in the top five at five. Announced today the firing. Of all four of its cheerleading coaches and a longtime adviser, after an internal investigation found incidents of alcohol use. Shocking. Housing and public nudity during off campus. Events and I guess this is like a dynastic. cheerleading slash dance program twenty four National Championships. In the past thirty five years and now. The whole thing. Is apparently coming unraveled. Did you hear about this story? I had not heard about it, but are we talking like the male cheerleaders were were were noon and mom liquor well, no meals apparently both I want equal opportunity in that regard, and as the story goes some of the bits that they did or some of the. Untold moments it was the male cheerleaders without pants, and the female cheerleaders without shirts, and that combination sometimes at the same time work, not gonNA work. finally got nailed on it. Apparently there I think probably got protected. If it probably lasted this long because they were sedan like anything, there's Saddam good. To pull the plug on them, but apparently enough of this stuff got out that they are cleaning house. That dynasty is over, and so as all the hazing and the public nudity, etc, well, Dan I know the hazing is a big is a big thing that people are trying to crack down on a lot, but this sounds like more I'm. GonNa have to personally invested. I figured you would yeah that more. Give give a closer look exactly what the because otherwise who among us in college has been well. Taking your pants off at an opportune. These. I'm glad I didn't get fired from the newspaper for that back in the day. I'm sure the statute of limitations has run out on that I wouldn't worry about it. The annual retreat will be eliminated and all off campus trips will be closely supervised, said somebody in a position of. Authority during a cheerleading camp and Tennessee, some cheerleaders were directed by other members of the squad perform lewd chance. And wear outfits. That did not include underwear. RISK APP risky thing to do I would say During a team retreat. At Lake Cumberland, some cheerleaders performed gymnastics routines included hurling their teammates from a dock into the water, while either topless or bottomless, the routines mount as basket tosses were done at the direction of other members of the squad, and within the view of at least some of the. Coaches, there's also apparently a lot of alcohol in some of these some of these boats where cheerleaders were partially naked and or drinking a ride on boats as well pretty much. It does sound like their own love. Note that is. Exactly right, so they got to the bottom of I. Don't know who they I. Don't know if that's still got broken. By Bozic or somebody in Louisville. I'm not exactly sure, Lexington but. Apparently, it's indeed. It's the end of the era. It's the end of the run there. Well? You know the local angle on this damn. The University of Minnesota dance team is dynastic in itself, and that's true. Daughters are kind of lead. The way are the coach so we. Needs to be some investigation into all the. Maybe it's rampant across the country. In this kind of thing, there is your next athletic oral history right there. Get to the bottom. You Got Nelson you right now. Dan! Is kind of a problem? All Right? We know baseball is getting serious. It appears if they can get the the finances figured out. A by getting something done and what seems. They seem to be counting on, is this? WE'RE GONNA have thousands of tests, because that's the only way we think we can do this and we're going to be testing every day, and we're going to be using a private company I think out of Salt Lake from not mistaken in fact, I think not far from the pizza place that poison Michael Salt Lake, and so it almost sounds as if they have come to the conclusion that the backlash that a lot of people feared any league would have early. Taken a bunch of tests they're giving up on, or they're willing to take the chance in fact I. think they've even said. We're going to donate a bunch of tests as well as part of maybe to keep people from being mad at us but. It sounds as if any sport is going to have to. Hire a private concern. And say we'll pay the freight, and if there are other companies want to pay the freight they can to have to. Because that's our only chance to get off the ground. We have to be able to use many many many tests in order to even give this thing a chance whereas the NBA. In that regard, you think yes, so. The NBA is kind of in a similar boat in terms of. The A lot of the scenarios that they're exploring are to play your early back in the gym maybe end of June sometime and then start playing later in July, maybe even in August, if they asked to escort subsuming that all the health conditions are oak are deemed okay for that and they. You know the thing that they are going to really emphasize whenever they do. Let people back in and then get close to playing games again. Is that regular regular testing and so? Exactly how they're going to go about procuring those tests I'm not sure I do know that internally in discussions within the league, there was some optimism that by the time they do. Get to a point where they're gonNA be playing games that they believe that testing in general to the general public should be as big of an issue. I I have hard time getting my head around this sometimes Dan, because just last weekend in the Star Tribune. There was a story that. Hey, we have all these tests. Nobody's taking them. But then later in the week there was a A. That said no testing still a problem so I i. do think that they will get to a point with private testing, and then they believe that the public availability of by the time they are playing will be such that it shouldn't be as big of an issue from public relation standpoint, the other thing that I think you will hear the NBA. NBA really emphasize as they get back at it is. They're participating in the timber. Wolves are one of the teams artist participating in this antibody study with male clinic, and so they're going to kind of put themselves up and say hey, we are going to offer. Our players are read this regular testing to try see if we can't move the ball forward. From a greater public view as well so there's GonNa be multiple fronts. They're gonNA try to attack this with, but certainly testing is, and my daily testing is going to be a huge part of that if they wanted to get politically incorrect if they felt like you talking about NBA. Officials are MLB officials regarding pushback on tests. Couldn't they? Is this too dangerous strategy to say? Hey, look. There's a lot of companies that if they are willing to pay, we're willing to pay. They could do it for their employees to. There's nothing stopping companies of various sizes from becoming very ambitious in that regard with private companies. We choose to do it in large measure, because unlike many of those companies where some Louis some work can be done away from the office independently. We have to come together, or we have no chance to actually restart our business. One hundred percent Dan, they can absolutely say that in their what they also can say an as kind of if they WANNA. Go Eddie Haskell on it a little bit. They can say hey, look. We really value our employees right. You've got to make sure they're safe. And we are willing to go above and beyond to do that and watch us do it. We can make it happen because we have the motivation in the financial wherewithal to do it, so you know target cargill. WHOEVER IF? If you want your employees back. This is a pass to doing it. Hey, federal government. This is attainable. You can do this if you put your mind to it and put your money behind it and develop it. Watch us. We are going to show you how to do it that way. That absolutely could be a very strong pushback for them. If they were to ever get politicians, other civic leaders that people in general, just the rank and file sane while why is Karl Anthony towns get yes. And my son can't get a test well because. They they just made it a priority to to get half as they could and make it happen, yeah. Last question this. Are we still thinking you know? Baseball is not going to have neutral sites. They're just GONNA. They you know it sounds like their plan is. We will just won't travel as much. Change the divisions how we need to regionally etc. What about NBA playoffs when we're talking about playoffs a we still talk or your regular season and we talk, and still about one of these ideas about going to Florida, or or we back to some measure of traveling, being allowed. As, far as I know right now I think it's still the the the the neutral site is still the preferred method for the NBA both four because i. do believe that there will be some sort of five game game regular season. Run up before they start the play offs and I think they will do that in either Vegas her. Disneyland landers or Disneyworld or something like that, and then they will do the entire playoffs there as well unless there is some major change in the prevalence of the coronavirus that would lend lead the NBA to. To believe that it can safely go back in because they the the big thing with the playoff standards, the back and forth travel through, and they're going to try and compress these playoffs into a very short window in so having the teams play in a neutral arena, and just having them not have to go across the country. your in-between Games three and four, and then games five and six That's GONNA be the way to pack as many games as possible into a short window. That's why I think you're. GonNa see the NBA do that. AS OPPOSED TO PLAN IN TARGET Center in the United Center in everywhere else. Thank you. Johnny will chat next week. You gotTa Damn thanks. We Will break here I'm going to ask. You. A question that may be sort of the quintessential sports question as we wrap up of the Monday edition of this program a what is the difference, or is there a difference between between being loved and being respect? Sure? been some effort I think today for the local rubes to manufacture mythic. Minnesota sports moments some of gotten snarky with it, but I think in a couple of cases people have imagined things for example. An emailer much earlier suggested. That! Gene Larkin. Who got the game winning hit? In the tenth inning of the Nineteen ninety-one World Series Game Seven Yup. Limped up to home plate before delivering the game winning single now i. I've checked with a couple of sources who don't remember it that I mean I. Don't think there was anything Willis Reed. Like about it. Her. Like it, that's Kirk. Gibson and I guess we could try. We could try to lie and say you know what we found out afterwards. He had to have surgery almost immediately on his ankle. He was in so much pain. He pretty much had to get a hit, or he wasn't going to be able to get the first base in time to beat the throw from any place on the diamond. but I I don't remember him being gimpy to that extent where it was noticeable, no, where people said my God what a courageous moment for Gene Larkin, the last pinch hitter, the twins had a came up there and got deliver debate hit and wrapped up the greatest world series in the history of all world series. I feel like that would have been a major part of the story. The last thirty years I would think right up there with blackjack and right up there with pocket. With everybody else. Can You manufacture a myth this much after the fact and just pretend that just didn't WanNa talk about it, but that was a big issue i. think that would be very awkward to do. Although you could argue. Jordan just did any kind of it wasn't the fluids food. But but the problem at least there, he substituting trauma for another I. Don't know the stories changing I. Mean at this point like I, said I'm not convinced. He didn't poison himself so twenty years from now it could be something else or we or the the follow up is that? He made it up, or he did it to himself in order to approve that even that wouldn't stop them. The stories will be willing up. Yeah was part of the legacy. The story will be that. He was leaving shoot around the day before game five. And Somebody said something like a seventy five percent Jordan couldn't beat Carl Malone he said, and that's when I knew that I needed to. Give myself the flu. He admitted that Carl deserved the MVP that year, but if you're going to give it to them that I'm GonNa Notice and then I'm GonNa. Make sure people know I. Do love that just. Like, find you want to do that. You can't Oh problem. That's anyone he wasn't. He wasn't serving. But then I'm going to in the last. Forty two seconds I'M GONNA make not one not two but three most valuable player plays while he makes none. To wrap up the series and game six. That's all Can I ask you a quick Jerry Sloan question? Have you covered him you around him? Ally I grew up cheering for him player. He was a he was a tremendous. He was the epitome of the blood and guts. Basketball player talented. Any talent but he was all effort all the time. Did you remember him. Not knowing that Jordan was sick and speaking of buying things that you buy that. Were you in the media room at that point, or do you remember people saying? Sloan didn't even know that. MJ was I think I do remember it I. Remember necessarily comment I. I always took it. I didn't I never believed it. Yeah, I always thought it was all tongue in cheek. But, then he didn't know the final game four. Well, that was. I think all even more tongue in cheek I. Think I was at that game to where they scored was a fifty four. Yeah, I mean it was now's name three. I guess it was the weirdest. Honestly, that was as bizarre A. It wasn't a very fun game at all I mean it felt like just one of those regular season games where it got out of control? But no, I tend to think that. Jerry was doing the old like okay. I'M NOT GONNA. Play into your game where you want me to say Oh my God what an effort! Unbelievably mythic! He could barely walk I. Just don't think he wanted. Any part of adding to the myth is is what that's what I took out of it although I don't know if it was ever established how much he knew her didn't know. The ongoing question. Is, there a difference between being? Tremendously respected. And tremendously loved. Because I'm still not sure Michael. Jordan elicits, loved he. He inspires. I guess if you're a bulls fan, he does. In some level on some, you could say if you're a sports fan. He should because again. Ultimately he gave you this unbelievable effort. No matter the time of the year. No matter what the date was on the calendar. CETERA. Et CETERA. I'm not sure he comes off even after this. He came off at times a little more human. But, at other times a little bit more okay, that's the killer. We thought he was even more. We now are totally confirmed on as well as Isaiah said. What kind of killer? He was cruel at times. He's a killer and he was all about. Winning at the expense of pretty much everything else in his life quite frankly, winning has a price. and. I always use the Puckett comparison the pocket never grab the world stage of like Michael. The there's another whole level, obviously, maybe a couple of levels, but Always felt like. Kirby was more lovable than Michael was I was felt like. Magic Johnson was more lovable and some of that has to do I think with. Whether you really are more lovable or not. It's the appearances. It's what you. It's what you reveal what you seem to show while you are excelling right? The emotion that you show wasn't like. Michael showed no motion after won titles, but. I always felt like there was more of a matter of fact. NECE with him. It was a little chillier with him. That would be with a number of other athletes could name where I think they weren't and these are athletes in many cases who weren't as accomplished but I think who were loved in a way that. That, there was a bond that went beyond the winning with with Michael The bond is the winning right more than anything in Chicago certainly but I don't know if it's. Personality wise, you just got swept up in the personality that he showed. As he's doing it. You may have seen more that personality now. This is long after the fact and I think there's a difference. Between being loved and being respected, what do you think? Does he get those crowds? And that reaction from the crowds everywhere he goes if it's more about just respect than actual love, though I I feel like there was a hugh I think the shoe's gave them another angle, the cruelly another angle to carry I think with him. It's the star power curiosity of. Their! He has this idol, which I'm still sure I'm still not sure that's love as much as just all of my God. This guy's well that be. A tich difference, it's not. Huge but I always think it's. You can you can. I can certainly name. Athletes that you know people had great respect just because they were so good and other ones who may not have even been quite as good, but they just seem to connect with people on more visceral level in a way that got them in the and and to me, that was magic strength. Now the truth matter is. Perception isn't always reality. Magic behind the scenes could be very tough. Magic coach fired early in his career. So sometimes it the smile. Can be a bit deceptive in that regard. But. The the charisma I think sometimes has to do more the personality in Michael's case. The charisma is just he's just that good, he just. He's worth early of about the way he goes about his basketball. visit out all says personality on the court, not with his antics, like his smile or joy that he played with the Acrobatics Air Jordan. Mystique was the word mistake would be there the way he played with so different the explosiveness. Air Jordan. I mean that was the alter ego. I think that people wanted to see. He was I think different than anybody up until. Do you WANNA play? Let's play one more piece of sound. John Athletic They alluded to it the final team meeting. This is where. This point they know it is the last dance. They've just won their sixth title in eight years. Their second three peat is in. The Books and. Phil Jackson who always has had some rather interesting ideas. Some that players love some that they roll all. There is about San Juan. Want each of you to bring some right something. About what this experience was like well, we'll just plan I. Say how long is this about two minutes two minutes and it starts with I. Believe Steve Kerr Okay. I remember there was this team meeting with Phil. Has Done in ashes in social work. and She was part of a group that went into how people over. Whether, they did was a ritual which they have. To rest. Um. He says you. This is the last dance last. We're ever GONNA. Be Together. He's asked everybody to bring in anything you want to write. What the team means to you. would be on. This team is meant to you. During this year? And read it for Bernard. Jam. And every guy at. Emotional words to say. And I remember my actually wrote a poem. A depth of emotion that you never thought. You! Film had this neck. No matter how big your big you think you are. To, always draw you in to be a part of the process. I'm not. You spoke. Where felt at the time? We always. Say thanks for the past. Enjoy the moment less make sure we ended right. We saw him as this boy sometimes. But that day showed his compassionate has empathy for almost. Everybody put the paper on the can and at the end of the session. Till turn out the lights and he'd Let. The paper and the. For the most powerful things I've ever seen you. Did Cut off Pearl Jam there, but it was over. I. Wish you would have faded out. I was kind of losing myself I know hard not to good music and to. Really, good anecdote. And If you play it longer think. Phil, also, says something, the effect of. What Michael offered out was kind of powerful. And almost he said almost the point where you didn't know it was in which I thought was interesting. Coming from the head coach that he thought revealed a you know a little more depth. From Michael Than, he thought was even. There I don't know I'm curious. If at the time there players are kind of rolling their eyes, or if they're really into it because. It actually strikes me as being a pretty powerful way to sort of wrap this thing up given how much time they'd been together now. Of course, they had all been there for all six years. ETC, there were some some transition. But. It is interesting. It's interesting to hear Michael Confirm, and this is part of Jackson strength that. that. He had the ability no matter how big you Michael was to draw him in. To be part of the process I think is the term that that Michael put. That's leadership to me. That's coaching, right? That's that is part of. Finding ways with the guy who you know really is the straw that stirs the drink still sort of try to bring him back into that. You're still part of a larger. Group here and as we all know. Orgnisations win. Championships never do crumbs, not players. I love her stuff this last time I must tremendous and we didn't even get to. Maybe we'll save it for tomorrow. retelling story that I knew well I'm sure you may have known well, but a lot of people probably didn't or forgotten. About how he lost his father in a for most horrific fashion. At a very difficult time in Beirut, when Beirut was a very dangerous place for Americans as they laid out there, you can tell it's not something he talks about off. All these years later hit him. Almost immediately of course was in college at the time, said he got a phone call about three in the morning We may save that for tomorrow. How about a shore up? When we come back? I think we had some fairly decent stuff today. We got two out of three guests that I was looking for. And if we're lucky, we'll still add the third sometime very very fast. It's the bumper to bumper show rap. Thank Fox signs Paul Bloom for joining us on the news topic. Of the day! The story out of Albany Minnesota involving the restaurant owner. Restaurant Slash Bar opener owner who wanted to open a day, said he was going to open a day, and ultimately chose not to. Amid a lot of attention and controversy after a judge's ruling, he joined at three thirty. This afternoon I also wanna thank Johnny Athletic. Who joined five fifteen and I? WanNa thank Rick Calendar for considering. Joining us. We had it appeared. Something worked out for maybe five, thirty, five, fifty five, but then he got tied up with some other stuff and we hope we can get him soon. It's been a while since he's been on the. program. Adding to our weekly. Last aunts coverage as well. Tomorrow is Tuesday, which means the legends with Louis Series continues. and. This in this case, it's a legendary name from the broadcast booth dot. com is scheduled to join. As as well. And, what's been a really good series? That is tomorrow working on I'm sure some other things. As well. Tonight the plan is fan and demand as usual, and then we've got super bowl forty three tonight on the fan. Is that correct via Westwood? I was at that Super Bowl where he really was in Tampa. Bay Tampa Bay tastes the NFL this. steelers cardinals, yes, Great Game Kurt Warner. Larry Fitzgerald Ben. Rothlisberger San. Antonio homes back in the end zone James. Harrison Ninety Yard fumble recovery for a touchdown terrific game in Tampa, Bay Tampa, Bay, so that's what coming up tonight. As we try to continue with our historical series, as well best of podcast should be upward guards. He attempts to distill what we got into early. It was hoping that we could find something from an injury, standpoint or food poisoning standpoint as mythic. As. Michael the night before game five don't want to buy. Tees couldn't doesn't seem as if we came I. don't even think we came particularly close because if A loss disqualifies the courage. No matter how courageous the effort is, then we're in big trouble because we got eighty seven and ninety one, and that's pretty much. All we and we fought off from Roisi George Mike. Allen played with a cast on. But it was the one time the Lakers didn't win the title through for like about a five year stretch going back to the forties and fifties so. You're kind of stuck unless we come up with something that we're forgetting and sometimes we can emails. Onto that very effect, so we'll keep. We can keep the door open I think handle it? Though is we embellish we? Like Gene Larkin. Yeah, we just invent people. He had to be like wheeled up in a Gurney and then he got then he was upright, and they just found a way to put bat on ball, and you didn't even need to get, he could. He could crawl the first base because the ball was hit past the outfields in that way that was the game winning run scored Dan Gladden and you never saw him in any of the celebrations because he was stretchered off the field really. Really really quickly, so you didn't see him. Hug, blackjack, dazzle, or or any of those we owed it to dead guys today as well after othing dead, Gal yesterday Phyllis George. That story broke over the weekend as well. We had two more today as part of the ECLECTIC conversation. We bear now for the he apparently, heat's coming in starting well I. Don't know if Sosa hit eighty tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow seventy seventy and then is at by Wednesday or Thursday, Houston it's gun belt tight weather. From that point. Indeed forward and maybe. I don't know maybe a little bit more. Clo, not closures, not the right word, maybe a little bit more clarity on the major league baseball season. If we're going to have one, is it still that the the money? The offer from the owners is in the players court. Think so, or is there open negotiating? That's going on right now. I think they've just I. Don't think they're negotiating much. Because everything I've been led to believe is the players are going to say no, yeah, and then we're back to whether there's going to be. Will be some negotiating. At some juncture as well so. That's the plan I'm assuming Kessler will join on Wednesday as well. I had couple of other non toy. Department stories which we will. We will indeed save. I got to the cheerleader controversy with Jani Athletic as well. and how much we used most of the sound. All. We got last answer. To Yeah. We've got the last shot we can get to and we've got Larry Bird not reacting on Reggie Miller shot. Now's a good got John. Stockton and talking about Russell and Jordan. Slight why that started. We also talked and I I. I'm saving some of the emails. We'll get to them tomorrow because we're a little bit more time. The question of reopening. Youth Baseball whatever you sport. You're talking about the pros and cons of that and how? Various agencies local agencies are navigating through all of that whether parents are frustrated whether they. Are pleased with the due diligence and sort of what. I get what what's going to determine whether these things get opened up now. The first thing still going to have to be as we said earlier, the governor's GonNa have to say more than ten people can assemble right right now. Is it still ten yeah? So that part of it hasn't changed. That's going to have to change. There can be no little league. Right with what? I would think. Yeah, all right well, we'll see we'll We'll, but I got some good emails on both yesterday. And today, which I will hold onto and we'll have a chance to get back to. That story. Because it affects a lot of people quite frankly and I know a lot of people are thinking about it as well. Enjoy the rest of your evening. 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The Case Against Reality / Dr. Don Hoffman

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The Case Against Reality / Dr. Don Hoffman

"This episode of infinite potential is sponsored by Lincoln jobs linked jobs screens candidates with the skills. You're looking for like collaboration. elaborations creativity adaptability. So you can hire the right person fast. It's no wonder a person is hired every eight seconds with Lincoln US Lincoln jobs today and make mindfulness part of your hiring process. You can pay what you want. And the first fifty dollars is on them. Just visit Lincoln Dot com slash infinite Lincoln dot com slash infinite terms and conditions apply. This is the third and final part of a special mini series on Meta human and we end it with live recording of my conversation with Dr John Hoffman Writer and professor of Cognitive Sciences. At the University of California Irvine. I came to discuss my latest book. Mitt a human. He came to discuss his the case against reality. Why evolution it the truth from is intrigued? Conversation took place recently at the Rubin Museum in New York City. Think of looking at yourself your face in the mirror what do you see. All you see. Directly is skin care and ice but you know firsthand that what you don't see in the mirror your hopes your dreams your aspirations your love of music your headache. All the colors sounds and shapes that you're experiencing none of that can be seen on your face to face is covering up this infinite world of your conscious experiences. I'm Deepak Chopra. Infinite potential maybe explore what what makes us conscious beings and why it matters that we are Welcome to the Museum of art. I'm Tim McHenry. I'm director of programs and engagement and we're delighted on to welcome the professor. Donald Hoffman here from the University of California Irvine where he's a professor of cognitive science. Don't Hoffman is not only a highly respected professor of science but also of logic and mathematics so this is going to be quite a night and if you doubt that he's also the hold of the restroom Roy Award from the Chopra Foundation tonight he brings the case against reality laying out reasons why evolution hid the truth from is and how we are truly blind to blindness. Welcome Donald Hoffman and Deepak in fact Oprah Einstein is famously quoted Saying the moon would still be there if no one was looking at it using my son was wrong. That's right AH and by the way I'm sure he has one hundred points in you know it's it's really a shock to the system to think that we've really so misunderstood our perceptions and there's a history of this shock in humanity five puttered BC. Everybody fought the earth was flat and humanity thought was because it looks that way and then it took some some really brilliant Greeks like to do the math and figure it out and go. Well the thing is really more like a sphere. Even though it doesn't look like it you can imagine a lot of people saying you're you're an idiot. I mean this is this is flat and there are some people today. There's still say that actually so finally caught on that. The earth is a sphere but then everybody. Everybody assumed that while the sphere isn't moving earth moving this it's the center of the universe the Sun Moon and stars clearly go around again because it looks that way and so from five hundred until Copernicus remote but two thousand years we believe the Earth was the center of the universe again because it looks that way and it was a huge shock. Doc when we realized that we'd misinterpreted our perceptions mean it was not well received. Galileo was threatened with torture and he was imprisoned. Jeered darnold Bruno was burned at the stake. Now they just don't give you ten. You have you. Ah Yeah well yeah actually. I told one of my graduate students not to work on this until he got tenure. So let me ask you the video important question because your book is called the case against reality. The big question what is is the biological basis of consciousness. Maybe the wrong question that in fact biology is in experiencing consciousness. And what we're experiencing right now. None of this is actually real. This is a very small one NATO bandwith of perceptual activity in human consciousness. Very separate from other species the that is being interpreted as these body minds this piece of furniture the trees the rocks that none of that is actually it exists including you and me. This is a virtual reality -ality collective dreamscapes and we are all fictional characters. Projecting this virtual reality in that skit. Don't sugarcoat it. No I agree. I absolutely agree when you first hear it. It sounds pretty crazy so that was the point of view that I took doc on this was to say. Maybe we're making a false assumption. Maybe I and my colleagues have all assumed that neurons exists in have causal powers even even when they're not observed so there's the notion of what what is real you're saying even the neurons actually a part of the hallucination right right right. That's that's right including the brain where I'm going to go. You also say that evolution has the truth from us. Why are you using a Volusia Terry? To actually debunk classical Darwinian evolution. Your decided that we were failing not because we were on the right track. We just haven't gotten there but that we've made a false assumption that there was something deeply false that we were assuming. I'm in the science that we deeply believe but was deeply false so I decided that because I studied visual perception. I'd already gotten some hints from my work in visual perception that we're constructing what we see now beginning to wonder. Maybe what we're constructing isn't a reconstruction of reality. Maybe we're just constructing not reconstructing right right and actually if you think about saying that we construct we see what we see out there but our own body everything everything that you perceive in any of your senses would be a construction and by the way what what I'm saying. There is the idea that we construct what we perceive any of our senses. I would say that ninety five percent of my colleagues would agree with that. It's a small minority that disagree so the idea is that we construct what we see but I would say that all almost almost all of my colleagues except me say that what we construct is actually a reconstruction of the truth that evolution had shaped us to see reality as it is and the argument. Is that those of our ancestors who saw more truly had a competitive advantage. In the important activities feeding fighting fleeing and mating had a competitive advantage knows activities and therefore were more likely to pass on their genes that coded for their more accurate perceptions so after thousands of generations of this process. We can be quite confident that we are the offspring of those who saw more accurately and we see quite accurately and I began to question that and it turns out that evolution by natural selection is now a mathematically precise theory John Maynard wordsmith in the seventy s launched evolutionary game theory. It's taken off. It's a quite well-developed branch of mathematics. So we don't have to wave our hands we don't have to gas yes or no argue about whatever Lucien will do. We can actually run simulations and then prove theorems and that's what I did with some graduate students getting about twelve years ago. I decided decided to go into it by graduate. Students and I ran simulations about a million random worlds where we had creatures that could go around in the world's foraging for resources horses and we let some of the creatures. See All of the truth and we let other creatures see none of the truth and they were just allowed to track. What are called the fitness points the fitness Ns payoffs and we can talk about what that means? You're theater your mathematic. That's right well. That was the simulation we found in. Simulations was organisms. We let see the truth went extinct when they competed against organisms of equal complexity. That saw none of the truth and we're just tuned to the fitness payoffs offs. So that gave me confidence to say. There's probably a theorem here. And so I went to a very talented mathematician named Sean precaut- and worked with him on that end and on proved this theorem. And is that an organism that sees reality eighty as it is is never more than an organism of equal complexity that sees none of reality and is just tuned to the fitness paths. So what that means. Is that evolution has tuned our perceptions to report fitness payoffs. And all of my colleagues would agree with that but what the Theorem says is and because it's tuned our perceptions to report fitness payoffs. It is not reporting the truth. Those are two separate for things. So that's the stunner and because I have a theorem colleagues have not been able to take this down. So I'm giving toxic neuroscience of meetings and and so forth but what what this means is the very language of space and time and objects and colors and shapes and motions and so forth used the wrong language to describe objective reality. Let me stop you right there. You're saying even space-time this old theater Peter of space diamond causality with objects some of the main animate and some of them moving around like you and me that this is all part of the dreamscapes. Right that space-time are also not fundamental that I like user interface theory. Can you explain that because that touches on this absolutely what the therapists saying is that space time itself as we perceive it feels so real right. It feels it's like the pre existing stage on which the drama of life has played out. And surely the Big Bang happened. Thirteen point eight billion years ago president. Perception Dope Oh predicted that right John. That's right but that's the standard story and I'm saying that the standard story is wrong that we're not little bit players that have come on the stage of time and space late in the game. We're the authors of Space and time we create their data structures that we used used to represent fitness payoffs and how to get them and so are objects so this is not a real football. Do I hope you it. But but it's a data the structure that you create and you create it when you look and then you garbage you throw it away you get rid of that data structure when you look away. So I'm saying that we create create the table when I look at it. I create the tomato my favorite example when I look at it and then that data structure destroy I think about a virtual reality helmet. Then I'll do the interface to be. Our helmets is really useful in virtual reality. You're actually immersed into three D virtual world you actually fill a three D world out there. Suppose you're playing tennis virtual tennis and you have a green tennis ball that you hit to your partner. Well when you look at the tennis fall you move your headset like that and you see the tennis ball now. You know if you look away. There is no green tennis ball because the only green tennis ball was the one that you created when you looked over there there is no tennis ball in the computer and so and you say well but if I put the tennis ball down there look away look back. I'll see the green tennis ball and that means it's really there are of course you'll see the green tennis ball. But that doesn't mean that the tennis ball exists when you're not looking. It just means that you reconstructed the tennis ball when you looked and so. That's what I'm saying is going on her. Think about you have a helmet on a headset on. We've never had the headset off. That's what evolution gave us was a headset care. I'm rendering a glass. It's the just data structure for fitness payoffs now garbage collected that no longer exists. You see a glass. But that's because you're rendering you're on data structure and this. This data structure is only there to show you fitness payoffs and how to get them not telling you the truth about anything. So space and time themselves are simply data structures structures that we create. Is this theater space-time youth say is like computer desktop. That's right so that's another good metaphor therefore so there's the VR metaphor and by the way. These are just metaphors to to help intuitions. Because it sounds crazy this doesn't exist when I don't look how can they be. But suppose is your your writing an email in the icon for the email is blue rectangular and in the middle of your desktop. Does that mean that the email itself in your computer computer is blue and rectangle or in the middle of your computer of course not anybody. You thought that misunderstand. The real purpose of the desktop interface is is not there to show you the reality which in this metaphor would be the circuits the software the voltages. It's their explicitly to hide the reality all all that complexity. You don't need in fact if you tried to craft an email by tongling bullets. Good luck just wouldn't work so we would never do it. And and that's what he has done for us it has given us a three dimensional desktop space. Is your three desktop. Physical objects like this is glass or three d icons and the point is to hide the truth. Because if you had to deal with the truth you couldn't do what you needed to do to stay alive. It's just like the point of the desktop. Interface used to hide the circuits and software. There are few gigs. Who can actually get in there and do it? Most of US couldn't and we wouldn't and use it so the reason why we as a species survive. According to the three of this three of evolution is because evolution carefully hid the truth and gave a simple simple I candy. Three dimensional space. Three dimensional objects. Simple I can't either. Lets US control the truth. While we're utterly ignorant about the nature of the Truth and the tie Dan with the hard problem of consciousness that means that no object in space and time exists when it's not perceived so I make a clean prediction and if I'm wrong in this prediction my whole theories raw. No object like electronic has a precise value so your position momentum and spin when it's not perceived let's take a break from our fascinating conversation. Asian with Dr Hoffman and discuss a reality that we can absolutely be sure about hiring is difficult. It's not easy to you. Find people who fit your role perfectly who compliment your business and your goals. But Lincoln gives you insights and perceptions that nor the hiring being black foam can offer lincoln jobs screens candidates with the skills you're looking for so you can hire the right person fast. Lincoln was your job post in front of qualified candidates who match your business requirements perfectly. It's no wonder a person is hired. Every eight seconds begins with Lincoln US Lincoln jobs today and make mindfulness part of your hiring process. You can say what you want and the first I fifty dollars is on them. Just visit Lincoln Dot com slash infinite. Again that's Lincoln Dot com slash infinite to get fifty dollars off your first job. Post dumbs and conditions apply. I think it's clear that our a census deceive us right. You're also used as an example and also split brain experiments to further elaborate your points. Can you talk a little bit about sinister. Experiments about four. Four percent of the human population has sinister Asia. And I'll give you a concrete example of one kind or many many kinds. There was a man named Michael Watson. Everything that he tasted with his tongue he also felt with his hands as an object in three dimensional space. It had to wait. It had a three dimensional shape that he could feel could actually reach his hands around it and feel it it had texture and the temperature and and in fact mint felt like this it felt to him like tall smooth column class so this is what he would do for. It would actually feel meant that way on store. Bidders was a basket of Ivy. He could fill the sponginess of the leaves. He could put his hands around them. Go Up and down. The tendrils would feel that and Carol Syrup felt like a basket of BBC could fill all the little beebees and because he had had this different way of perceiving taste he was an exceptional cook. He actually was able to be much more subtle in making sauces losses than than most of US could be. So now. What's interesting to me about this? And the reason why. I think it's really relevant here. Is I'm saying that something very implausible that that your perception of a three d object like that is just a data structure that you use to represent represent fitness pals and most of us would go absolutely not the reason I'm seeing this is because there really is a pitcher there. I'm just seeing the truth. Michael Watson is a clear example. He created exactly this kind of data structure for the taste of mint mint in no way resembles symbols. This this is just a useful data structure convention that he used to represent tastes. And I'm saying that what Michael Go Watson did for taste. He used three dimensional objects to represent tastes. I'm saying we used three dimensional objects equally just four conventional purposes purposes to represent fitness payoffs. And how to get them. We're not recovering the truth. Three dimensional shape of pre existing objects. That is probably the hardest thing I'm going to say tonight. I mean that's it's really hard to wrap our minds around. And that's why I bring up a real concrete case. A guy was sentenced Asia. Who's actually illustrating that? We can actually see an what were perceived with his hands. Three dimensional objects when there's no three D. object has just the data structure. Let me stop you right there. Because recently I was in Dubai and my not young man and yet to and ten in his head and he was the first born away. So this this kid was born colorblind and what he decided is that he would decode colors into sound and so he developed technology where he can hear colors so he actually took a picture of me. That was a symphony. He just went all over me and then he said why should I stop there. Why don't they extend to ultraviolet and x rays and cosmic graze? And so he got to buy because after a lot of difficulty because the British government said we can't give a pass to a Cyborg league only human so he took them to court and he won so this kid can now experience infrared ultraviolet ultra-violet microwaves radio waves all this part of his reality. So this is where I'm going with you. If reality he can be so deceptive and elaborate a little bit on the split between as well. Because that further exemplifies I would just say but the split brain patients who. It's quite interesting that it. It really illustrates the relationship between conscious experiences and neural activity. And and it also illustrates what I think about conscious later on so there were a few decades ago. Many people who had severe epilepsy. That could not be treated with the drugs is that were then available and in desperation as a last resort they went to a radical surgery. The Fella named Joe Bogan who was a friend and with did some of these surgeries they would shave the head take skill saw remove the skull. Pop don't try this at home. And then they would take a knife and cut the brain in half. The two halves of the brain are connected by a band fibers called the Corpus callosum. It's about two one hundred to two hundred and twenty five million Exxon's that tied the two hemispheres together but the idea was if the problem was saying the right hemisphere there is a bad piece of Cortex in the right hemisphere that was causing the problems. Maybe by cutting the corporate close on the neural activity that was so because essentially epilepsy. Is this a neural storm electrical storm in the brain so they thought maybe they could confine the storm to one hemisphere. The other hemisphere would not go under and that way the person could stay alert and keep themselves from harm and it was a success. The job and really helped several people. The frequency of seizures was dramatically dropped. The severity was it was a clinical success but in careful experiments months they found that these people are very very different from us. So in one experiment you have a person either normal person or split bring looking at a screen and you have them look at little dot in the middle of the screen and then while they're looking at that dot you might flash up something like the phrase key ring where key is to the left of the dot and ring us to the right so you're looking at a dot key ring appears for about a tenth of a second and disappears and you ask the person just now. Tell me what you saw and for any of us who will be hit a tenth of a second is longtime we'd say keeping but for the split brain patients they would say I saw the word ring and you say well you know what kind of Ring Wedding Ring Doorbell Doorbell. Ring key ring. What country not just a ring? Then these okay. Well I'm going to blindfold you and I got a little box with stuff in it. I want you with your left hand to go through and pick out what it was that you read so the left hand goes in and it goes through. They might pick up a ring puts it down my pinky a keyboarding picks it puts down. Keep going until picks up a key and while the person blindfolded you say to them. What's in your left hand? And they'll ago I dunno you. Take the blindfold. Often they look and they say you're holding a key white Y. You told me that you saw the word. Why are you holding a key in your left hand? I don't know I mean literally they don't know and then if you blindfold them both hands in two boxes going after what they saw. The left hand works independently from the right to left left hand pulls out a key. The right hand puttering the guy. What's in your right hand? He can tell you when he was blindfolded. I should explain the neuroscience nights on this it turns out that the left visual world everything to the left where you're looking goes first to the right hemisphere and the right visual world goes I to the left hemisphere now normally the information then goes across the Corpus callosum in both hemispheres. find out but when the Corpus callosum was cut that's not possible and so with a tenth of a second. There's not enough time for your doing. I'm movement so that you can look around and get the information both hamsters. So you've actually got only the word God key being seen by the right hemisphere and the word ring being seen by the left because the ring is on the right goes to the left hemisphere so you have two hemispheres with separate contents of consciousness. That's the key and when you check these people a little bit further you find out that the two hemispheres have different personalities. Typically the Left Hemisphere tends to make up stories is what Steven pinker sometimes calls a baloney generator. Rea- Bologna. That's right. That's right you've got the universe that's right we're exactly right actually. One example of this Baloney generation real time was Mike. Xanada had split brain patients in the middle of an experiment. He flashed the word walk to to the left visual field and it only went to the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere didn't know what was going on. The person got up and started walking because patient was trying to cooperate and then Gonzaga Gonzaga pretended to be surprised. Excuse me we're in the middle of an experiment. Why did you just get up and walk out without missing a beat? The left hemisphere which is the one that talks only on your left hemisphere talks. The person said all. I'm thirsty. I needed. Well that's false. I mean the left hemisphere had no idea. Yeah why it was. They were getting up to what but the real thing is. It didn't know that it didn't know it's Baloney that it was just doing it on the spot and so most most of what we believe about ourselves is just baloney that we make up on the spot to make herself rational and reasonable. It's a good story. I want to take one last break from our conversation with Hoffman to talk to you again about Lincoln. We've we've been discussing reality. Tracing meaning and reality in our daily lives that Dr Observable and objectively beneficial there are mediums that show tangible improvements when exposed to external influences where reality and meaning can exist objectively. One of these mediums is running a business. Where hiding the right person for the rule can have a dramatic impact on your business and its results and to make sure you had the right people? You should use Lincoln. Lincoln jobs screen candidates with the skills you're looking for so you can hire the right person Fast Lincoln. Make sure your job was seen by people with the skills qualifications and other interests sir. That will help your business grow. It's no wonder a person is hired every eight seconds with Lincoln and why companies rated rated linked in jobs the number one hiding platform for delivering quality highs US Lincoln jobs today and make mindfulness part bard of your hiring process. You can say what you want. And the first fifty dollars is on them. Just visit Lincoln Dot com slash infinite. Vinit again that's Lincoln Dot com slash infinite to get fifty dollars off your first job post terms and conditions apply. Here this is the Rubin Museum and most people here are not neuroscientists. Scientists or mathematicians anybody a neuroscientist mathematician. Okay one or two hands arrays. We're here because as we actually wanted to see. What is the relationship between science spirituality if any signs usually is how things things work? What's out there spirituality us who's asking the question? What or who is asking the question and in the nondurable traditions that come from the way Danta and Buddhism this say that only humans have exists essential? Suffering you won't have this conversation between alligators or dolphins or snakes. Humans have these conversations Sion's because humans have existential dilemmas. What is the meaning of debt? Does God exist. Do I have a soul. What is the meaning and purpose of my this? Since and the vidartes up addresses this and so does Buddhism. They won the first reason for Human German existential offering existential suffering. Not You know pain or disease or infirmity is that we only partial truth only partial which is exactly what you're saying number one. That's the first glacier. I cause of human suffering the second is re grasp and cling at experience which is ungraceful. Because as soon as you have you say you look there and you look there that experiences over by the time you hear my words it actually don't exist anymore. So that's the second. The third which automatically comes from that is the fear of impermanent. The fourth is false identity. I think I'm the body mind. And what what you're saying is the body mind itself is an icon or a symbol over species specific experience and the fifth is the fear of the depth which also comes from the false construct that the body mind is the reality instead of being the symbolic expression expression of a species specific mode of experience. I'm seeing here from what you're saying. Is that if we understood ourselves ourselves as conscious agents and these conscious agents are actually not in space doing then there is no dad there is all the constructs we have a boat space time causality but death identity. I thought this is very similar to what the teacher right. It is very very similar and I am working on a theory. You of reality start with the theory of consciousness and show how space time and matter and neurons can be booted up from that but if you look. There's no mathematical theory of consciousness out there. Scientists do not have a math. They'll have a theory of like integrated information that would lead to conscious but it's not constant it's a theory theory of an agreement information. What my colleagues have been doing is for the last four or five years? We published a mathematical model of consciousness on its own terms. And and we're using the the goal is to so you can get the paper if you wanted to. It's free online. And the idea is to start with consciousness and to boot up space Jason Time and physical objects as icons experiences within consciousness and to give you a feeling for what I mean by conscious agents in being fundamental. It'll think of looking at yourself your face in the mirror what do you see. All you see directly is skin. I'm Karen is but you know firsthand that what you don't see in the mirror your hopes your dreams your aspirations your love of music your headache. All the colors sounds and shapes that you're experiencing none of that can be seen on your face to face is covering up this infinite world of your conscious experiences and when I look at a person when I look at Deepak I can only see a face. Harrison is but I believe that behind that simple symbol is the infinite realm of pox conscious experiences and for every other person. So the idea of what I call conscious realism is is that that space and time and physical objects are just just an interface an interface to what a vast social network of interacting conscious agents an infinite network doc potentially infinite. That's one of the technical questions as it just growing without bound or is it genuine. So they're not is facetime. Then it's conceivably visibly is could conceivably infinite. This turns on some deep issues in mathematics intuitions logic and so forth. So we're we're we're I'm not ruling out infinite maybe evident so then there's all sorts there are an infinite number of infinity's as it turns out and so if you think about this we're now doing a science that's really now how treading on the turf of it's been traditionally spiritual I mean I'm saying let's talk about consciousness in its own terms perhaps infinite consciousnesses. But let's have mathematical Michael Precision. Let's make testable theories that lead to empirical consequences. May I summarize what I think is your conclusion and then you can save. It's true or not. So what Donna Hoffman is saying is that the physical world the physical body irrespective respective of the magnitude of the universe the Milky Way galaxy other universes. That's not real even the physical body is Austria. What is real is the consciousness enrich this is conceived constructed and comes comes into existence and that consciousness ultimately is fundamental reality that conceives constructs this governs and becomes what we call the physical universe including our physical bodies? Would that be a fair summary. Absolutely absolutely and I would just make one point of clarification because the word real can be used in two different senses and so just to clarify most of us use the word unreal to mean that something is real if it would exist even if no creature perceived it so when Einstein said the moon is real That really he was really saying explicitly that the moon would be there even if no one was looking even if there had been no creatures ever to look the moon would still be either so. That's one notion of reality now. I'll call that objective reality that we would exist even if there were no creature to perceive a and then there's another notion of reality which is like if you have a really a bad headache. Well if you have a really bad headache that would not exist if you weren't here right. That's your headache. So it doesn't satisfy the subjective reality criterion and because the headache would not exist if there were not a creature namely you to perceive it but if I told you that your headache wasn't real you might be very cross with me on on say. That's that's is not fair so there's a different sense of which we talk about experiences being real as experiences and so I wanted to say that experiences are real in that sense but what that space and time and physical objects are not real in the objective sense. We've assumed that this would exist. Even if no creature were around to perceive it and I'm seeing that that's false so who what is the observer who are. What is doing the Pacific when I look at the brain is my brain in trying to understand the brain or am I the observer of the brain itself and where is this observer very good so I'm committed to saying that the brain itself has no causal powers? The brain does nothing so strictly speaking. I don't have a brain. After this conversation. You might agree. All of you probably familiar with the Word Maya. How many people have heard the word? Okay and sunscreen usually translated as illusion but if you look at the etymology of my it's the same word is meter matter music. Mid Time measurement is the same way way so as the measurement of the inconceivable as this finite the experience that we're having and so very consistent with would say very much so I think we're running out of yes I am even though it doesn't exist. Thank you for joining me as we explored Meta human principles. And thank you to the Rubin Museum for hosting this great conversation infinite potential. We'll be back soon with more great guests and stories about our in the meantime you can listen to a companion podcast daily. Brek back where we have been going even further on what it means to shift from human to human with daily meditations everyday of the week. Nick if you enjoyed today's episode please find us on Apple podcasts. To rate and review the show your support is greatly appreciate. Thank you until now. It's time for our gratitude list. Infinite potential is produced by Katie Shepherd Jan Cohen and David Chadwick Smith and edited by Andy. Jaskiewicz the audio engineer is Bob Tabards. Caroline wrangle is our associate. Producer and Serena Regan is the coordinating producer specially thank our guests sponsors interns and everyone who's contributed to bring infinite potential to you. Our show is created created and executive produced by David Chadwick Smith John Cohen. And I'm Deepak Chopra and this is infinite potential.

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Organizing And Empowering Data Engineers At Citadel - Episode 109

Data Engineering Podcast

45:50 min | 8 months ago

Organizing And Empowering Data Engineers At Citadel - Episode 109

"Hello and welcome to the data engineering. podcast the show about modern data management when ready to build your next pipeline or want to test out the products. You hear about out on the show. You'll need somewhere to deploy so. Check out our friends over at Leno. D- with two hundred gigabit private networking scalable shared block storage in a forty gigabit public network. You've got everything you need to run a fast reliable and bulletproof data platform and if you need global distributions they've got that covered two with worldwide data centers including new ones and Toronto and Mumbai. And for your machine learning workloads they just announced dedicated. CPU instances go to date engineering podcasts dot com slash node that's L. Hi an od. Today to get a twenty dollar credit and launch a new server and under a minute and don't forget to thank them for their continued support of this show you listen to this show to learn and stay up to date with what's happening in databases streaming platforms big data and everything else. You need to know about modern data management pr even more opportunities to meet. Listen didn't learn from your peers. You don't want to miss out on this year's conference season we have partnered with organizations such as a Riley media cranium global intelligence Alexio and data council. Seoul could a date engineering. PODCAST DOT com slash conferences to learn more about these and other events and take advantage of our partner discounts to save money when you register today. Your host is Tobias. macy and today interviewing Michael Watson and Rob Gronkowski about the technical and organizational challenges that they're facing at citadel. So Michael can you start introducing yourself your yeah. No problem As soon as Michael Watson on the director of the Data Engineering Organization here at the Citadel in head of enterprise data team been here for about five years in Bonn timeless are the show so really excited rob how about you. Yeah I'm Rob Hayward directly with Michael. He's actually my boss. I leave one of the engineering team. Inserts they'll end we were closely on both Kinda tactical strategic elements against the team. So I drive a lot of sort of the initial data intiatives and Michael do remember. Hey I got involved in the area of data management shirt so like looking back over the last like ten years since I graduated Undergrad. I feel like every step. Stop along the way has involved dealing with data in research process one way or the other I learnt python as Undergrad in my first computer. Science courses worsens kind of just been like full steam ahead ever since in like along the way working at like research. Companies I in like market research now from the context of a hedge fund data is the lifeblood of how we make our decisions and now he make investment decisions and kind of managing the life cycle of that information from you've raw data from a vendor raw data from a web scrape and then transformed that into a piece of information that can be consumed named by an investment team and then had that transform into natural investment decision is pretty much exactly what we do within the hedge fund in so like getting involved in the data enjoyment of that is almost like inherent to like. How just run our business and robbed him about how you first got involved with data management so going back back all the way through academic route so initially pursued more academic career straighten dramatics for switching over ten the street I had actually done at maximum computer science? Back in Undergrad so it was very natural transition. Initially focused heavily on full stack up to them before transitioning more to machine learning infrastructure. uh-huh and building machine learning models before doing Seville and then upon my transition your and took over a lot of the more tactical initiatives in but they nate engineering space. That we're working on here. And in terms of how that intersects with my background. What's been great to be able to interface with both the analytic aspects? Thanks and so the engineering aspects. And so as you mentioned Michael One of the main aspects of working at a hedge fund is the fact that you have all of these different data sources that you need to be able to incorporate to ensure that you are making pertinent decisions given the portfolio that you're dealing with so before we get too much into the specifics of your date. Engineering practice at CITTADELLA. Can you just give a bit more background about some of the role that data plays in the overall the business of citadel and hedge funds in general yet totally so to understand citadel. It's good to know that the the topple of two different sides of the business one is citadel securities which is a almost quantitative trading firm that acts as a market maker working a lot of very interesting industries. But that's actually kind of like a separate organization from the Hedge Fund itself so you might see securities you might see a Hedge Fund for pretty much everything I'm talking about today. It's about the Hedge Fund and in in that context. It's something that's called a Multi Strategy Hedge Fund and when you work with incident that is a big impact in how the organization is laid out so each one of those strategies invest in a specific asset class in has engineers and technologists aligned to traders portfolio managers quantitative researchers working on like their bespoke use cases so the different strategies are a a fixed income. Business us a credit business a commodities business that's dealing with energy products. His Legacy Velez agricultural products. A- quantitative strategies business in then a longer equities business in. That's where I spent most of my career in. That's teams of portfolio managers that are constructing their own portfolio so bunch of different stocks in one sector. So let's say one sector could be technology stocks. Were they're constructing a portfolio folio Let's say apple. Google IBM Microsoft and have to construct it within a specific risk model Make sure they have have the same number of long positions as short -sition so the market goes up or down it stays relatively neutral And then we have analysts that have reading. The KAZIN cues huge understanding the fundamentals of the companies that are investing in Berry intimately and then we will pair them with incredibly strong data engineers with strong fund computer science fundamentals that are also right with communication can understand. Why are we possibly looking at a specific nick? Data set in the context of a company that we might be investing in see around the corners of things that could change in the data in building and safeguards in different pieces of ETL pipeline. That will protect us from some sort of changes in the data source and we have five different teams for example within the equities. Business where we will have engineers sitting alongside investment teams working through their different data. Use cases. alongside excited of roll call the sector data analyst to ingest data from the outside world. Turn it into insights. And hopefully they can convert that into a money-making investment opportunity ginny and so you mentioned that there are these different groupings of engineers for the different types of business. verticals that you're working with wondering if you can talk a bit more about the way that your data teams are structured and how the data engineers in particular fit into the overall life cycle of the decision making and incorporation of the data. That is used to drive these different business decisions. Definitely so right now we have five different data engineering teams in kind of a hub and spoke model title where it the center. There's rob case team that works for the core data engineering where they're dealing with a lot of the infrastructure doing might be using like our ear. Flo Infrastructure on our Jupiter deployments as well as manatees are event driven processes in Systems creating tools for other data engineers engineers that are sitting on the trading floors with the investment teams so that role has a little bit more of a software engineering tilts but is very business focus in his is very very business. Aligned with the investment teams and then the three other data engineering teams that are working with the investment teams of the equities. Business are a little bit more commercial you can almost think of them as like a data engineering consultant where they will work on two to three projects at a time. That could last US anywhere. From two days two months that is that corresponds to an investment idea. So let's say somebody is treating some company that's buying and and selling oranges in Georgia and the weather patterns of Georgia might have a really big influence on the number of oranges that they might sell in a given quarter so oh the The engineer might look to look at all of the historic I find out where all the distribution centers in the retail locations of that orange distributor distributor and then align that with historical weather patterns in those locations increase the number of days that it was sunny over a a Friday Saturday and Sunday in a given quarter in. See how well that might lineup to historical sales of an orange distributor again. This is just a Scenario where there's not actually an orange distribute remodeling you can imagine you could extrapolate this on other sectors of the economy in those engineers. I understand some extent the fundamentals of the company. But they're just really focus on best practices would building out that pipeline for data. How I get from the outside world? Yeah it's a web scrape Outside vendor normalized ingestion internally and then trade the interfaces that investment teams would then used to consume that neither Jupiter notebooks looks or excel or in our python or C. Plus plus libraries and. Then we have one fifteen. which is the enterprise data engineering team? And they're working a little bit more with your traditional types of data so like your market data your pricing data data all the different types of securities who made investing that we're getting from different vendors banners and and making sure that flows into all of our internal systems. That would prefer that when they actually go to make a trade and how has the overall the nature of the responsibilities and the work that the date engineering teams are doing evolved over the past few years at said Adele as the retooling and capabilities have improved for being able to manage this data and as more sophisticated analysis techniques have become more mainstream in terms of machine learning and deep learning and some of the different requirements of data volumes data quality has evolved an increased as as a result. I would say the one thing that that it took us a while to learn. Is You need a engineer. I especially in the data space sitting directly next to the end user of that data set. I think maybe like looking back. Maybe three or four years years ago we would have like an investment team saying something like I need to gets. Location data about oil tankers and they might then send that over the fence to some engineer. That's may be sitting on a different floor even a different office and they didn't have to guess. Why might we be using this? This data for modeling out oil tanker movements they transform that thrown into a table that back to a investment team on the other side of the offense and they might say this is this data structure is in no way enables me. Do you like type of time series analysis that I would want to do so over the course of the last two years. We've brought the investment teams in the engineers much closer together where they're sitting on the same floor side by side and you get a much stronger back and forth in terms of dialogue Robin Idea generation when the engineer sitting directly next to it investment professional trader and in have that free flow of ideas select. The the engineer can see what's coming next and they understand how they're using the date on. Some of the ideas are going to start to come from the engineer posted just from the end user. That's that's an analyst or somebody investment side your imagined that that has impacted you overall hiring strategies as well because of this strong correlation between the quality and capabilities of the teams as a unit with the engineer embedded with the traders versus some of the trends in engineering organizations where they're trying to push more for the ability to have remote engineers because of the communications technologies is that we have now. Where because of the fact that you have different business offices probably across the world that are likely focusing on different different companies or different business verticals? You then need to have engineers who are able to work closely with them on the particular data types that they need whereas whereas in a different office it might be a completely different set of projects that they're involved with some curious how that has manifested in terms of how you focus your hiring strategies. He's and how you focus the types of skill sets that you need to have within an office to be able to ensure that you have a well rounded capability so one of the things is that I think makes a technologist really successful at citadel is that they haven't innate interest in understanding financial markets. And they want to know how they can leverage their engineering skill sets to be able to understand something about the world. Maybe no one else. His figured out yet. And get the validation of having that turned into a successful trading idea and the engineers that have aback innate driver like that actually resonates with them or the ones that are going to be most successful. And when you put somebody like that directly next to a traitor and give those to an opportunity to have new ideas generation and new approaches to problems that maybe we have already been solved failed but a new set of eyes she and give a new perspective on has been incredibly successful for us. So they give you to look back maybe two or three years ago. We tried to start building out the data engineering or within citadel. It was much more of a remote engineer. Where wear there was requirements thrown over? The fence. the engineer. Then try to understand how that would translate into lake. ETL Pipeline Light Blind or a type of analysis that they're guessing in investment team might ultimately WanNa do but because we never had the opportunity for them to sit side by side ride. The engineer was constantly guessing and by bringing them in house in sitting directly next to each other. We've seen like an incredible amount on a broker in the value producing the data engineering team. Interesting new ideas coming out left and right in so the engineers that are like that. Are that have that in. Nate interest in finance in understanding financial markets. Also really strong underlying software development. Skills are the ones we have found. That have moved the needle more than more than anyone else. I think that if somebody is interested for technology technology taking there's plenty of roles roles and opportunities within city dollar or many other firms to be successful but specifically within the data engineering space. Or we we try to close the businesses businesses. We can understand how we're actually GONNA try to use our data in the investment process that having engineers with that innate drive for understanding I any financial markets in that commerciality to to sit with a some nontechnical business user has been the single single biggest evolution. We've gone through over the last couple years to to end up in the organization structure that we have today and then in terms of the types of data that you're dealing with. You mentioned that you might be pulling from things. Blake whether information over a certain period of time as it pertains to business that you're you're looking at investing and then you might also be dealing with market data some curious if you can just talk through some of these sort of categories of data that you're dealing with and some of the process that goes into identifying which sources are valuable and then evaluating them for quality and maybe potential bias and then intimately incorporating them into the overall flow of data that you're using to drive these different decisions so I think one of other things differentiates us in terms of the challenges that we face around are different categories of data sets how we evaluate them. And how you'll be evaluated product overall is that we're operating in a space ace where we're looking at every sector of the economy that means sectors like energy industrials. Healthcare financials were facing services and products technology media telecommunications and in order to effectively be able to operate across all the sectors what will do is we will condense down to the critical that were trying to predict such as a top level line item for particular public company and then We'll take different. Imitations of a data set may be applicable to that company. So we might take a mean average. Max been at a different permutations of the data set and then run a correlation or university regression to determine what is the best predictor for that particular company. And at the end of the day. This vis really running into challenges where you're working. Maybe with a two hundred terabyte data set or You're working in a data set and where is a really high up. Time guaranteed and what that translates to is a systematic framework. Work that we've constructed to be able to do that. In both a structured way but also apply it broadly across these different categories and and one of the things that is always a challenge particularly when you're dealing with a lot of different types of data is just understanding what data you have particularly when you have these multiple double different teams. That might be able to take advantage from a common data set or one team that has as bespoke data set that they're dealing with and so I'm curious what you have in terms of sort of common infrastructure for being able to handle data cataloging and Annotation on the data for being able to understand what is the purpose the data and what is that context the able to capture and then some of the other processing infrastructure that you have available to these different data teams and then when it's necessary necessary for them to be able to spin up their own custom infrastructure for handling a special case that they're dealing with definitely. Yes that like the name data catalog catalogue Near dear bill one of the first data catalogues. We used within. Sit Out going back to twenty sixteen and one of the challenges do we have within citadel from data engineering data management perspective is the importance of secrecy in the importance of privacy advocacy. So if one team is looking at a given data sats they don't necessarily want anyone else in the organization to know what that data says is or even that they're looking at it at all that kind of gives up some information and so one of the biggest challenges that we have actually is managing from those permissions Across the organization so that one you can make data that you don't have to reengineer the wheel every time a two. You can kind of respect the privacy and the the permissions of Somebody there was the first The first calmer the first mover on a given data set so it's always a challenge house we've had but we do have a lot of our data sets cataloged in an internal system that we have a specific permissions around that tie. Hi until like internal permission. Somebody could search. And then discover some of those data sets. We also have a very large data management team. That is constantly going out into the world and cataloging discovering new types of data That they are than sharing with internal stakeholders internal teams. So they can not the new data sets come onto the market in their job is also kind of like Disseminate that information internally in terms of Ayar are shared tooling in infrastructure heavy users of airflow off pretty much every one of our data sets corresponds to a given airflow flow dag in a Mono Repo. So that when a user wants to work on a new project we have a library that can it's called kickstart. It'll cray Trey a new directory. Within that Mono Repo it might create a new schema associated with that data set middle create. The raw templates of either were upgrade or ETL system in than that kind of like kicks off. I'd also make connects to Olympic in Ron. Some of the the DD L. Statements for creating the necessary Schema in than as they develop that pipeline. There's a death branch that corresponds to our deb airflow on our depth databases once that gets merged into master then gets promoted to the The airflow server with Jobs in then updates the prod tables from the Olympic migration in goes from there So that's like having that mapping of dad to data set a two Schema and then to entry in our internal data catalog has been kind of like a really powerful unifying factor for dealing with the thousands of different data sets that we deal with. But it's still something that we continue to work on an improved like what are the corresponding CWM checks associated needed with each one of those new data sets. What are the different data? Access layer correspondent each one of those. Because we do have a pretty robust based data access layer that sits on top of that so once the data gets loaded into normalized into those final sequel tables most everything we have ends up in sequel what are than the API were than the queries. They kind of sit on top of that with the template is that allow somebody to go into excel or python or Jupiter or tableau exact in extract. The exact seeing view do of that data in all the downstream systems that we do our analysis so getting getting the essentially they are ETL framework in the sequel Schema tables working side by side along with a cataloging framework in a data access framework. That can point back to the common data set or the common concept onset of a data set has been really helpful. I do they just probably more take back. There's absolutely more that we can do there to try to unify all of those. But it's something Lincoln we've been pretty successful in so far And we just continue to push the button on like what. What are the new immigration points that we need to help? Get our like our time to analysis short as possible and then another challenge in this overall space particularly because you have so many different teams and and then such a broad scope as far as the number of different offices a number of different business areas that you're dealing with is the overall aspect of managing the growth and maturity of the team both in terms of hiring which we discussed earlier but also in terms of ensuring that engineers stay happy because they have some prospects for growth whether that's in terms of the projects that they're involved with or the responsibilities that they have or some sort of promotional promotional ladder that they have the option of climbing. So I'm curious how you handle. Career Development and overall T- management and cohesion giving the number of different teams and offices that you're dealing with and the size and scope of the business that you're working in. That's actually something that we've spent a lot of time thinking about actually over the last year is we haven't work right now where we have data engineers in London Chicago San Francisco Hong Com. Tom That are working on a myriad of different types of problems and aligning their skill sets as they progress through their careers is really important for us. One thing that were starting with this year is the creation of an entry level data engineer rule. That's GonNa work on our enterprise data engineering team where the work underneath a really strong software engineering manager as the team lead and billy focus on core software development skills with in the ET L. Systems for our enterprise data. That's the the data feeding into our reference systems about all the different investable instruments that we have within the firm information about pricing data a lot of your traditional the market data and as they've really developed their software that skills within the data engineering environment. We want to give them exposure to you are business. Data engineers that are working directly with investment teams. So that they can also develop their understanding of how we're using data in investments environment for specific investment these so over the course of one to two years they not lear even appoint where they have really strong developed skills and understand all the tooling infrastructure around our ETL systems. They also get understanding. Of what is that will mean in the context of Investment Strategy. So that's if they want to. After around two years they could go in the direction where they're starting to work Directly with an investment the team on a on the trading floor alternatively we have the core data engineering team that is a little bit more of a software engineering. Wait till that is responsible for a lot of the core infrastructure in tooling that we have around data engineering. The other business is the state. Engineers are using managed things like our airflow infrastructure jupiter environments. A lot of our event driven ETL's Hatha Lover Management Systems are data engineering avowedly. Our data value issues frameworks. And if they WANNA go a little bit more deeper until like a software router career paths they could go on to that team as well but Once you're already kind of established mid career as a data engineer we do have additional trajectories to go go like deep around the individual contributor route where you WANNA go. More from a data engineer into data architects type of role and there we have a really strong data. Engineers do more architecture design so that when there is a complex problem around a difficult sparked tale system that requires a lot of tweaking of the. JV On through the go-to resource for that or the team. That has really high throughput of data a billing through Kafka Africa. They'll be like the go-to resource on the business. Data engineers can RENA. They're they're kind of seen as like the wise data engineering expert to go for some of these more Problems on the flip side We also have plenty of opportunities to grow. Is Data Engineering Manager. Just the the the pace that we're growing within the ORG there's constantly new teams that are developing and I think what does really well is prepare technologists early on in their career for leadership opportunities. We have a really good internship program where engines are constantly coming in throughout the year in. We pair these really strong college. Freshmen sophomores. Juniors People that are in Grad school was our best early career engineers and give the engineer with insisted on opportunities start lead in realize what it's like when you mentor awesome. It's more junior. Be There to answer questions. Coaching teach in just be a nice person and help them along or even within our rotational program so when somebody joins citadel we have this program where you work in a different team. For every four months throughout the course of the year in pair them in the rotation rotational program with a really strong engineers to start getting more management experience. There as well and then start. Career paths towards management role so in in terms of like taking everyone from really strong mid career architects the engineering space to two new grads that they need a lot more coaching. Ching we try to focus on creating opportunities for everyone across that space to continue to grow in if we can do that. In the context taxed of of the most important thing in that is finding the best returns that we can in each one of the markets that we invest in that we can incre- not only like an incredibly successful hedge fund. which is always going to be the first and foremost goal of why we were here? We can also to allow people to grow as a professional and as a technologist In in finding that sweet spot where both of those are directly aligned is is like I guess part of my job in helping lead this unit that something that we're we're actually doing we're doing. We're doing a good job And we need to continue need to reevaluate how we continue to to do. Great to do even better there. But that's something that I am particularly proud about it. We really try to focus on it so did engineering another challenge particularly because you have all these different data sets and as you noted he sometimes don't want to alert different teams of which which data set you're working with so it's not always easy to keep a global view of what data sets are available. Is How you manage the life cycle of the data from identifying vying and incorporating it into your business decisions to storing it and actually using it for the analysis and then ultimately deciding when to either retire it or whether to keep it updated and so I'm curious how you approach that overall aspect given the strict regulatory environment that you're dealing with what are the things I want to point out is that the data engineering is only one part of our overall data strategy. It sit it out like we work. In partner. With two incredible groups of people the sector data analysts that are working closely with the investment teams on their data strategy and how they want to WHO Extract information from these data sets in incorporated. The restaurants Reggie are are critical in helping to evaluate what data sets. We Wanna go forward with in. Also the data strategy group that are world class data scientists are also helping US extract a lot of information which were these days that's have legs lex Data engineers will get involved once we decide to go forward with a given data product in. Then it's no longer a question. Skin of what data do we want to ingest. It eventually becomes a question. Of what data do we want to turn off. Do we want no. Yeah no longer support. Because there is overhead in continuing to maintain a given data product that has corresponding corresponding pipeline in said a deep cwm checks. That will occasionally fail a lot of the the data that we're consuming is constantly thinly changing evolving. If it's coming from a web scrape a there could be a total re factor of the site where like they're using a totally different. CSS Tag back at a totally different product where they might be like originally Page could have gotten changed to an angular or a react application where getting the information content from that could change dramatically. When that happens it's going to set off some alerts of WanNa maybe one of our data engineering? SRA's might start taking a look at it and that takes time right so we WANNA make sure that we're only reacting to data quality issues or earth Retail Systems for data. That's actually making an impact in. That's winner our usage tracking systems. Come in really handy. So every time somebody looks at a given data points from excel or tableau or are python or C. Plus plus plus. We love that observation So that we end up getting tens maybe hundreds of millions of different log entries. day. That'll hi back to you. A given data asset and then at the end of the quarter at the end of the year will work now Were supporting according to different data assets. How many of those has no one looked at over the course the lack six months and then of the of the of the people people are looking at? Let's turn it off. Let's stop supporting that system. So that when we know it's going to fail eventually we don't have to. Have somebody spend their time trying to fix it and so we realized in order to make this a sustainable process where we can continue to grow the it that knowing what to turn off is often times more valuable than knowing what to turn on and go forward with and that's something like you've really Focused on over the last couple of years and as you continue to evolve the capabilities requirements of the data organization at Citadel. What are some of the challenges whether technical or business oriented or team oriented granted that you are facing that you're interested in tackling in the coming weeks and months Yes one of the challenges that you get. When you're a investments organization that invest in like every industry Ma'al imaginable in every sector in every type of instrument? That's been around for twenty years. Is You have such a large sprawl of data that you've accumulated humilated in understanding. What is the quality of that data across all the different touch points is incredibly difficult colts? And that's something that we're looking at tackling is unifying or frameworks across the different data. Sources is the we are ingesting from in being able to either one sleep at night knowing that everything ving is as it should be or to. At least you're being woken up by a set. You know as important we know. It's wrong into system identifying it and not a person and if you could at least have Not have any unknowns in terms of your data you know that is a lot of things wrong with it but you don't have any unknowns at least gives you a really good foundation of being able to address the the different went. ETL systems that made me were written ten years ago that no one's looked apple. Some production process might be looking at and so really tackling the data. The A D. CWM process problem is one of for me. My biggest goals in twenty twenty and are there any tools or our practices or industry trends. That you're keeping an eye on that you're excited to try and incorporate into your workflow yet totally like a looming. We build one library called long hair. And there's a lot of similarities to great expectations around like very early islanders. Petitions was just getting going and I think that projects come like a really long way. I think that one of the downsides with some great expectations is that require somebody to enter code for certain types of data unit protests. But for a lot of energy is really really strong framework. So that's only that I personally think is a great project to look at a little bit. Deeper is also industrial-scale de cwm libraries. There's specific for finance some some arts but we'll definitely be investing more more in that space. We have a lot of also it really. Good internal tooling frameworks for how you can write deke tests but they're not necessarily deployed across the entire stack so finding more of unification across the different. ETL says that we have using common tooling. Even if it's not the best music the same framework everywhere would be a huge win. And are there any other aspects of your work at Citadel or the challenges that you're facing or the ways that you're using data that we didn't discuss yet that you'd like to cover before we close out the show getting one of the one of the coolest things that I personally worked out over. The last couple of years is how we have integrated Jupiter notebooks with our deployment fleming process of like analytics. So we haven't internal Jupiter hub deployments that runs on how she for nomad similar to cube. But it's something that we adopted relatively early on in a relatively mature at this point in then we on top of that started creating a lot of Jupiter custom super plug ins where analysts can come in and click a button it will then take out the code from Jupiter store that within Dan internal elastic search database in then whenever a user references one of those specific functions that were originally in the notebook. Book in either Excel or Python are or C. Plus plus a process that runs within Ashi Corp.. Nomad will read that into memory using the module python in then executed Those functions all return Frames and then those return back to the clients that originally requested him via standardized. Api in what that allows for is a analyst. That doesn't necessarily know. How do you deploy a model title? Or How do you deploy a specific date of wrangling exercise. So that a portfolio manager. That maybe only knows excel can access it seamlessly and then have the That only knows how to interact with cell. They have no idea how to do anything in Jupiter in Python. Maybe couldn't even tell you what a CSV stands for but if you can give them that information that exists from that analyst. They'll be able to leverage it in a way that maybe nobody else in the the world can because they may be an expert in the underlying economics of the company market that they're investing in and creating an infrastructure that really pairs ears the power of analytics that you can get from like a a Jupiter Notebook in Python even our studio with some of the existing disting- enterprise like processes around research within either excel or other frameworks has been incredibly powerful for us so we continue to kind of push the button on. How can we allow Jupiter to integrate into the research process And we were continuing to look for the new ways that we can do that. Going into twenty twenty well for anybody who wants to get in touch with either of you or follow along with the work that you're doing I'll have you add your preferred contact information mation to the show notes and as a final question. I'd like to get your perspective on what you see is being the biggest gap and the tooling or technology. That's available for data management today and I'll start with you. Michael sure so I would say a unifying system that can connects the underlying tables that may exist in some anti super format to the concept of data sets. Link that to the concept zapped of a A set of De cwm checks wink that to the underlying et L. systems that are processing that and then ultimately link that to a set of downstream interfaces that are accessible to users whether it be an excel tableau looker or any of your common downstream formats. And have all that tied together in one concept of data and have that one concept of data set be permission -able using active directory So that you then deploy that within in the enterprise in permission people to could access different parts of that individual data throughout the entire lineage approach. So that's something that doesn't exist Today but it would be a great benefit if it did and rob how. `Bout you do you have any particular killer gaps that you're feeling the pain of you'd like to share. Yeah I think one trajectory is in the street at did engineering has been headed towards is an nearing the revolution on software. Engineering side Element is kind of starting with whom set of test cases and specifications that are really written as code iterating on those string with a couple tests where the media read than you developed service of sample prototype. ETL Pipeline Pass those tests iterating rating. The Star of the small German had blossom on top of that opposed to a lot of the standard data engineering processes in the industry has exist today today. We have to keep all that in your head. Today you have to be able to lay out. The rockies is on Metal Anders less kind of an interactivity and the subsequently aspect to it that allows you to iterating as quickly as quickly as possible on the development life cycle of of those data sets in really treat them and end to end products are applications that you're developing so. I think there's a lot of headway. We've made a lot of headway on that enduringly on on. I think this is definitely something that I personally am. Hoping at the continue seeing great elements on both externally in the engineering communion gene also internally here at citadel so that's something that I would love to have followed conversation honor anyone who wants to reach out to us about new problems. uh-huh that Michael has mentioned endure that I've mentioned here I would just encourage us to start. I live because we have a lot of ideas for solve these problems. We just need to We just need continue herring. The isn't spacing date engineers with the over those that are more ended in this approach of starting with the core pools and and increasing the leverage Engineering each business user And from there I think we'll be in a really good spot doesn't twenty two thousand twenty five I really DC rate future for engineering here said it all out there sternly. Well thank you both for taking the time today to join me and share the work that you're doing being in some of the challenges and successes that you've had at citadel. That's definitely an interesting problem space. And it's always great to hear about the ways that people are attacking the work that they've got. So thank you for all of your time and efforts on that front and I hope you enjoy the rest day these listening. Don't forget the checkout or other show podcast dot net python podcast dot COM to learn about the python from language. It's community in the innovative ways that is being used and visit the site at data engineering. 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104 MISSING MILLIONS: time for automatic voter registration

Reasons to be Cheerful

51:10 min | 11 months ago

104 MISSING MILLIONS: time for automatic voter registration

"Through this as reasons to be cheerful with Camilli abandoned and Jeff Hello Hello I gotta very unusual request this week gone from Ed's. Oh yes so so so you take some of the other day you WanNa tell people you texted me about that. Basically friend of mine is having a big birthday and she wanted did some June's now in the nineteen eighties and was wondering if I could. Dj and I'm sort of into jail. Nick ground is not my natural skill set well this this. This is what initially struck me as interesting that somebody would ask of you. If you're thinking they might be mistaken. Identity Minister Another is in her phone I'm like why why don't you think she was asking Jeremy. Maybe share a possibly so. Why did you think she was asking you to? Dj in the first place you're not known for it no so I think I think we've mentioned for a long time and seek confession todd and university though some Labor Club disco was something that I tried to persuade to come to be nobody there which was true labor. Club disco felt like a contradiction on the grads. who were the coolest people take on the planet? I think I remember her saying that she walked in to see me and so lots of crates of drug beer then sort of fled so maybe the maybe this is a sort of way of saying you know what I missed that policy where nobody turned heart but this is the association in her mind of you and in discos which can't be true of many people on the planet people can admit you should give people a little bit of a insight into your excellent choices were so ed said a need some cheesy easy party music from the eighteen nineties and I did. I did run a mobile disco as a teenager about this goes Michael Steele ropy club. Did lots of people come to well. I have to say I wasn't that great. That's it you surprise me so I did one GIG older. Maybe like nineteen twenty where it was somebody's wedding reception reception at macclesfield liberal club and nobody danced all night. I tried every single different style of music. Nobody danced danced at all except for in desperation I on losing my religion by rem which the dance floor then filled then unplayed something similar to that straight afterwards emptied again that was the only song that and I was so embarrassed that at the end of the night I squatted down beneath my disco decks tax behind the flashing lights and I just sat on the floor until the room emptied because I couldn't make eye contact with the people whose wedding DJ ruined so I've got a certain amount yeah exactly it was it was just a wet. Did they not do the first arms now. No I mean it was the reason for why why was my religion so appeal don't know unless they were a bunch of people who recently lost their religion. We I've got no idea I mean if anybody can espouse any theories on that feel free to email is reasons seasons cheerful podcast DOT COM but I'm slightly worried that you've asked me for advice and you know that that is some of my experience of mobile. Give people some of the highlights. Let's hear sweet. Dreams are made of this by the rhythmic Gimme GimMe GimMe Abba Congress of my head. Kylie tainted love soft sal. Wake me up before you go go walking on Sunshine. WHOA like an Egyptian. Things can actually get better. Don't stop believing hey jude which I thought was interesting. That's the end of the night you won't believe as they will really yeah Paul back do do. I'm really grateful so you stand there behind the Dang though you don't get on the mic can do some patter. Here's one that's from the chance but not from our hearts is demon. Things can can only get vesa. Maybe maybe I could have a phone and you could tell to say the evidence of watch yeah. That was a good idea. Well let let us know I will. I didn't play any song with actions in there like a conger or the Birdie Sung or anything. MCA Yeah didn't put Ymca AMC. Should you ask him for cheesy and I left out the YMCA. Failing Inadequacy cheesy knows it's great. It's great list well. Let us know how it goes trying to explain to you how to use spotify was a lot like trying to explain to your grungy how to use a video recorder there or thereabouts right yeah. I work looking progress. So what are we talking about this right then this week. We're talking about voter registration. That is a general election in the offing and we have a real crisis in this country of people being registered millions of people. We still think are missing from the Electoral Register. There's there's a big gap. Between voting of older people and younger people that gap is not always been that some people think it has but it wasn't that thought you forty years ago but it's there now how we we we took into an organization this country that is trying to get people to register to vote and organization go my life my say somebody from the resolution foundation shirow done research on voter turnout among younger people and older people and some of the reasons for that and we'll be talking to somebody from the United States that they've got real problems with voter-registration but one good thing they have done. I is around a people registering for driving licence automatically becoming registered to vote and we're going to be talking about what's what's happened in a particular state. Oregon around this issue and try something new on this week's podcast something cheerful people through so many people doing doing great work in so many different fields and basically had tonight. How do we get to meet that person and have a little chat with them so we're going to do something new on the podcast where we get somebody on for five or ten minutes at the end just chat to them about what they're up to and this week is Anna Taylor from the UK student climate network. They are arranging in this big climate strike this coming. Friday and we're going to be talking to her about that. So what's your reason to be cheerful. I went something amazing the other night now. It has come. I'm up in conversation on the number of occasions. The markets the other one is vital says it Beatles obsessive and the world's Best Beatles historian is a guy called Mutt Louison. He is going on tour around the country talking about the Abbey road album and he invited a few people the other night select a select few people apple Beatles neuropathy lamb to watch a preview and I got to go this film of his show. It's a live tour around the Abbey road album people should go and see it and when it goes out on tour as of next week. It's going to be a couple of hours long. He was still at the editing stage so it was three and a half half closer to four hours and I just got to sit and Wallow Im- Beatles Trivia and facts that come across before he's unearthed a tape of the Beatles having a board meeting mating which changes your understanding of how the Beatles ended. It's so good and I got to go and see the extended version. So that's my reason you weren't bored after three three and a half hours okay it could have been six hundred as far as I was. Yeah yeah fidgeting interval. I mean I was at school and the finished thing isn't going to be as Nerdy as this is going to be for you. If you're interested in the Beatles also if you're interested in music and culture generally it's going to be around the country. The tourists called Hornsey road. Not Happy Road and I won't ruin why that is that something you can find out when you go and see what Lewis and talk about Abbey road sounds great and talking of events that go on for a few hours 'cause I went to a wedding last week of somebody who very close to me. He used to work for me. Jill Cuthbertson and I'm really delighted for her. She got married in Scotland fantastic weather which is not always true in Scotland so he was in Perth. She's married a lovely guy called Mo.. He used to remember special adviser but that put you off. I'm really happy for her. She basically worked her socks off for me. Run my diary in and really run my life. I was felt guilty because I kind of think. Maybe it's one good thing about me. Not Becoming Prime Minister or another good thing which is I fear that Jill would not have got married. Dole we'll find out how but she'd have been spending time with me. there is a sort of cools in effect here. which is a you know me kind of losing the election and Jill becoming happy for the best yes maybe people who disagree on that kgo eight anyways lane but I'm really pleased for her specific cheerful. Jeff we're joined now by Laura Gardner who is research director at the resolution foundation and was the author of that foundations vote team volte-face reports on on voter turnout and Medico Band who is co founder and CEO of my life my say and also labour councillor here where record podcast in in my attic in Stoke Newington. You've been on the road along. That seems to have gone what's going on. Is that cuts I mean had array of course we can countable. Actually they're always very difficult constituency. You've got an jeff is basically one of Philip avoided the question to be so so. Could we start by asking you how has turned out in UK. Elections changed over time both overall specifically among younger voters. Okay sure so if we look back to say the sixties which is the period since which we've got pretty good data there was a big drop in turnout it kind of started in the Early Ninety S. I think the low point was two thousand and one turn that was below sixty percent in that election having been mid to high seventies in the sixties and seventies been slowly creeping back up since then closer to seventy percent in two thousand seventeen but still quite a bit lower than the sort of post war era when you think about age there's been uneven stock changed so some people think that you know young. Some people have always been a bit disengaged with politics quite getting themselves together and therefore always less likely to vote. Actually that's not the case roll back to the sixties and seventies very we similar turnout for younger and ODA groups may be slightly lower five cents points lower for younger people big gap opened up in the ninety s so throughout the twenty first first century young people have a much less vote than older people. Maybe twenty percentage points less lightly. If you compare those in their twenty s those seventy so we've had a decline in turnout Evro true but I think even more importantly a big turnout got opening up by age of you. Look at what the reasons are behind that. I think I've got three reasons if you can bear with me Taylor quickly so the first one is whether you vote in election has become more related to when you were in whether you voted in the previous one and young people have become much more like to vote in their first elections which they are eligible so we've had a drought less likely so much like the election was there. I say that's happened and then that's had a stronger apart dependent stronger fee through affect subsequent elections second one renting private renting much less likely to register when you're renting privately. That's become more insecure. We know that many more young people are renting privately today than previously less attached to communities may be moving around more kind of hardly surprising that you're less likely to get on the register and vote the third one relates to attitudes so when you ask young people whether they care about what happens in the election. There's been a big drop off in the proportion that cares. It's the ninety s so I think we can look at you know that building the habit young in terms of first time voting big problems that we know exists for lots of reasons in the private rented sector feeding through to Democratic engagement and something about how engaged young people as a big group with politics. I talked I remember beat. I been eligible to vote and it just felt excitingly anything. Oh It's the national insurance card that allowed to vote in the election felt excited. I might say that it does you'll be dodger. I've never been excited about my national national insurance number but yeah I saw some of us. Maybe those of us that are engaged with politics of experience that if you look across the country it could be related to citizenship education it could be related to how far people feel from politicians in Westminster but we have seen this drop-off in engagement drop off in first time voting and that is unfortunately feeding the three as people in their life so if we've got turned out problem now we don't arrest some of that what might happen in the future divet twenty seventeen so this is a really contested untested issue. The so-called youth quake was at a youth quake or just a small tremor. I think some of the initial analyses after the election said massive increase in young on people those in their late teens and early twenties voting. That's what's changed. Some of the more considered analysis that came a bit later showed that it wasn't quite as big changes. Just we thought using better data the the only really kind of significant increase wasn't the students on campus. It was young people in their late. Twenties and early thirties so twenty seventeen marks a step in the right direction in terms of narrowing that age gap but not the kind of sea change that was I thought Meta tell us about the the story behind my life. My say why such album water does so might I might say is broadly focused on getting more young people engaged in politics as as a nonpartisan platform the reason why we said it was because when I was in university and where I grew up in Hackney too often people from under upsetting communities fill of unhurt hud powerless and what we wanted to to find a platform where we can really empower them to have voice in politics so we set up in two thousand thirteen as since then Gotcha engaged with you one of our events when we first set up but since then you know we've run a number of various duration campaigns working with the likes of Tinder Nuba. I'm trying to get rid of the vote based all about trying to empower those because even when we talk about youth engagement and how do you engage young people. I think the question is wrong from the outset because it seems TMZ that young people are one big homogeneous group. There are lots of different intersection that we have to consider how we engage the principles of group so I mean Laura touched upon some of those when we looked at sort of analysis. This is a thirty seventeen election so it's really important to solve this new English. What works in terms of your campaigns of the last five six years. What's what's been the most effective so I having what what's worked. In television. Station is obviously having the tech companies just because they have a huge geographic and social reach as well as making sure yeah you got the right influences on board and not just your ordinary so of celebrities who are more on TV but people young people connect to so for example. You know if you're a UK. Grandma is like storms here for example between seventeen elections. He'll have massive. Za following of people who are less likely to engage election and just as of comebacks allures point point is that young people don't care about issues that affect them of course they care about whether they've got these brief over the shoulders of course they care about whether I've got a job that pays and basit respect or dignity dignity. The problem is is to see traditional forms of politics as a vehicle to address the issues that they care about parts of the reasons why the Dow is partly because when are educated about how hard democracy works partly it's about because democracy needs to reform says that there's obviously the distrust between politicians and people and also representation you look at number number of women in politics at a number of minorities in politics number of people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds so I think there are lots of reasons which have contributed to this engagement when you involve influence or tech company what what works what you get them to do. What are the effective things for engaging people the reason why we work with tech companies influences. Somebody's organizations that we've young people massive because of our approach is really trying to identify where people go to an day-to-day social and digital lives. Sir Robin Crawlspace called my life my say and bring you an expert and people come to you so it's about thinking about how where do people go to the day to day life so for example when we're back with tinder lots of people use tender and everyone aged between eight and twenty four as you were swiping left right you would have gotten advocation a week before the deadline interest the vote to say. Have you read swipe right so you do go right to vote swipe left. If you don't want to say anything Uber taxi in the first free minutes of ordering taxi you go not can can you say have you ever vote and that's one of the things that we're looking at now new version campaign so we've got a few partnerships in the pipeline and what we want to do is is basically get them to push it push notification on their APPs to get reservoir but also on the day of the election because what matters is not only getting up you register to vote but actually to vote on the day of the election say. Hey a selection today high before I'm what effect does this generation turnout got. What does it have on politics who the politicians targeting and then the kind of policies that are sold in the made the resolution foundations their think tank now does economic research say this look at turnout was a bit of a weird project for us. The reason why we did it is because we were doing a big investigation of inter generational differences in living standards so live market houses pensions things like that and when you get if we find these big differences and when you get to thinking about what policies could help tackle that how we need to change our tax system our welfare state how we need to change education you get to the point where you politicians can only do that kind of thing if they can get the public to back them and when you have much lower turnout among some of the people who will would be the main beneficiaries of those policies plus the fact that the baby boomers are so cool because there's a really rather a lot of them so they've got both lots of people and the highest turnout throughout throughout their lives. Actually it's a really hard sell to politicians to say push this stuff because they really worried. It's not gonNA work very well for them. On the doorstep people don't just vote your you're now early for the interest of their age cohort but it is a big factor and as long as we have these big age base turnout gaps. We're gonNA find it really hard to hear some of the Inter generational divide which I think is one of the biggest economic challenges facing Britain. One of the resources being raised is around automatic voter registration. I mean it seems to me just for what it's worth that you know. The onus should be on the government to make sure everybody who eligible to vote can vote on election day rather than leaving it to people. Is that right with that. Make a difference. What would you think about absolutely I think you know so we sit on the government's National Democracy Council where we support them on their democratic engagement plan and not small is the National Democracy Keller National Democracy Council is a number of organization which works Cabin Office. There's a range of different organizations not just organizations but we're going to people's disabilities are where one of them he worked with young people and we support them around make suggestions and policy advice around how how to improve our democracy of course is a bit more challenging when the current state of affairs but you know one of the things that we have been pushing them on his automatic voter registration. I think we have to be a bit realistic so I've now come to the point where you know. There are some big things. I want to see happen like we said like automatic station but I think if we can get some good quick wins so for example when you're enrolling in university as popular enrollment you should be also ought to be and I think that would make a huge difference you one of the things that we should look not only thinking about online voting for example. We don't have online voting. You have to vote a local police station but I think what one of the things that people from for gays as the world of work has changed so for example you know historically when you used to work you had a nine to five where can pattern was much more able to sort of come back to your home and to to be able to vote whereas now people got from eleven o'clock so coming back to the local polling station could be a real struggle so divergent weekends well. I think if you look at countries around Europe you see is they've got much more higher turnout. I mean Jimmy for example and nothing on the weekends. Definitely helps make an atlas a public holiday. I mean I was a bit confused that she win. The election was in the offing a couple of weeks back because everybody was said well. Elation Britain has to take place on Thursday something that was being proposed for a Monday supremely could take place on any day of the week or oh. Oh you know. I don't want to be too radical but may go over more than one day you will quasar people have the choice of sleeve if there's a an upcoming election which looks very lightly whenever that might based so this time round will be rolling out a series of democracy cafes across the country so so what we do is we work with starbucks nationally and the idea is basically reigniting the seventeenth century discussing politics over coffee so I there was basically talking about politics over Frappuccino. I'm a sophomore cool way had eighty four of those in the last two years more than eight percent our London. I'm so we'll be rolling out series of marks cafes in there ought to the deadline for its vote an also just before the election. The whole pint of the democracy cafes is very issue led so it's very of less focused on policy and as of process so it's very participant but let's when you're coming in and the first point you're just talking with your friends over coffee about the issues that you think are most important to you in your community and in the whole point is is that what we try have to do by the end of the democracy cafe is really tried to show you that route about why democracy is and is it just just turn up to get this. Little Skinny Ota Chino whatever it is and I find it still happening the democracy cafe do I need to go and find the democracy Catholic so we will come to the markets cafe of course we don't exclude I am but one of the things we do who is he's walk with charities that what people are less likely to engage in politics so I come from a football background is to be a scout for also for Southampton Football Club's have community foundations which will rutger loads of boys and girls from this community is around employment and volunteering opportunities. I'm how do we work with. Those sort of partners to be able to get rice was people onto mocks cafes. We I mean what what can people listened to the podcast and they think this is something I'd like to get behind. What can they do set a task for listeners because they like to get involved and do things. What should they are? You going to do what we're going to be doing is very similar to the turn-up campaign. It will have a new name will be focused on can influence turn up campaign was twenty seven twenty seventeen in two thousand sixteen what we're going to be done is replicate and that Motorola Confused Tech Company so I guess our listeners one of the things that certainly would be a few massive help for us. Is this collectible. Youth organizations coming together are all focused on driving youth participation and I think anyone who can support an per fly our message. NFL Remembers Sharon all social media says dominating talk campaign. You know these things that will make a huge difference or any organizational tech company or business that you know that can gal people would be off massive and to be clear is not a political campaign sporting one political parties and non-political campaign correct is a non-political campaign solely focused on driving. You've spicer and where do people go to find out more better say you can go to W. W. Dot My life my say dot org dot UK. We have a thing on the focus called the Jeffer- crecy. If I was to appoint you join minutes elections and you can have relations as a sham election. Yes okay. That'll get people motivated activated. I'm sure what is aside from abolishing the Jefferson. What is the first thing you would do is as ministers for elections. I think I would would lower the voting age. That's come up a lot. That's pretty uncontroversial previous. Amos that's at least maybe sixteen maybe fourteen. I quite like we lower the voting age enough enough. Everybody has an election at least locally ideally general election while they're still in education rather than just shutting schools so that they become polling stations we only young people involved help run those polling stations be engaged in that and it's a little bit liberal but I consider compulsory first time voting so you're not forced turn out and vote every time because of that habit thing. I talked about earlier that getting into the habit big so important as part of a citizenship education program as part of everybody but he being able to fight once while they're still in school. I think that is really worth considering to get young. People involved first time round. I think if I was a prominent before or or a minister for they I would go for what's mighty registration. The reason why is because I think it's a fundamental human right to be able to vote and I think that everyone should have that right ah their disposal and I don't think that you know you should be a point where you turn up to a polling station and you find out you're not registered to vote. I think it's a scandal economy. Check online that you're just to vote that you have to local not still in basing things very much paper based so I would push for my probation lovely all right Laura Gardner Macabre by the way this. Ben Is an old field road is that sometimes it's not worth time. I'll definitely check it out. Thanks very much. We're going to speak now. Danielle route two is associate director for voting rights and access to justice the Center for American Progress L. Hello thanks for joining us and and can you give us an overview of voter registration. Does it vary a lot from state to state we occasionally hear in the news about voter registration laws being used to suppress voting gives a picture of what that looks like in the US absolutely so many many voting laws and voter-registration lives is very across states voter registration in particular we see a lot of obstacles in the registration process that make it difficult for many the Americans but particularly young people to get to the polls so we see things like arbitrary voter registration deadlines which require people to register assertive vote several weeks or even months prior to an election. We've also seen in some states requiring people to show oh proof of residency. This is prior to registering to vote and this is particularly problematic for young people who attend university. We've we've also seen in places like Kansas requirements that individuals have to show proof of things like their birth certificate naturalization naturalisation papers and passports before they can register to vote. There seems to be an effort in some localities jurisdictions chance to make the process of registering the vote particularly for certain people and certain groups much harder than it needs to be so in recent years states eight touches. California and Oregon have introduced automatic voter registration or a VR also known as motor-voter laws. Tell us a bit about how that's worked and what impact it's Ed yeah no absolutely so both California Oregon have implemented. Apr To Great Success They've had thousands of new eligible voters to their voter registration lists and updated the voter registration information of thousands more so how the process works is officials facilitate voter registration by automatically registering Americans who are eligible to vote using the information that state already has on hand so ooh. Let's say somebody walks into a department of motor vehicles. DMV To apply for or renew their driver's license when they do this they provide side state officials with their name their address their birthdate other personal information as well as an affirmation that bay are they are. US citizens once the DNB receives that information they automatically transfer it to state election officials who confirm that the information that they've received is accurate and correct and then once they do that confirmation they add that individual to the voter registration rolls through this process the individual him or herself doesn't have to do any of the heavy lifting to register to vote instead. The burden is placed. He's on the government which is really how it should be. when we're talking about fundamental rights like voting so what impact of these changes had on voter turnout in these these days is it possible to measure the impact after implementing. Apr Twenty Sixteen Oregon saw more than two hundred seventy two thousand new people being added to their state St Voter Rolls Ninety eight thousand of them. actually turned out in the two thousand sixteen election. It's also worth noting that roughly thirty thirty seven percent of the people who were registered through Oregon's. APR Program were under the age of thirty demonstrating how beneficial APR is too young voters. That's a massive massive number. It sounds like voter. Automatic version is reading ahead at least in some states we are struggling in a similar way to the US with issues of turnout among younger people. Where's it going in the US this Av. We all a movement and what we can learn Apr.. I think in its early days I think any any voting reform is sort of met with some suspicion when it first being implemented and adopted in the first two states but we've seen broad support over the last two years across political local parties for adopting automatic registration. I will say that sort of lessons learned and what the U K can take away is that I think that we need to start really pushing. The idea that voting and participating in the democratic process is a right. It is not a privilege it is a right and should be treated as such by government officials. I think a lot of times government officials think that you should have to work hard to register and vote but when we're talking about a fundamental right like participating in our elections the government should be doing everything in their power to help empower people to exercise that right and have a say in our elections just one little insight from the US our electoral commission has to some controversy started halted experimented with this idea of voter idea at the moment you only have to turn up and guests and she gives you a name to vote. It's a moment of pilot and it's not quite clear what's going to happen next to it just because people in Britain on used to describe impact of these things where you have to present a driving licence or passport or or whatever live a just give us a little prime in terms of the US and the impact that has on the number of people voting so voter ID laws are incredibly incredibly harmful to voters and to sort of the foundation of our democracy. I think that you know the research. Urge has has shown time and time again that voter. ID requirements prevent eligible people but particularly people people of Color so we've seen native American communities being disenfranchised. We've seen African American voters being disenfranchised sized by strict voter. Id Requirements research has shown that strict voter ID laws can actually decrease voter participation by about two to three percentage points which in close elections can be determinative of the outcome it is it is certainly not recommended by any voting advocates here in the United States. We would like to see voter. ID requirements abolished so I would caution the UK eh about adopting them because they just no good comes from them all right well. Let's hope we take your advice well. I think we've completely sold hold on the motor voter laws Danielle route. Thank you so much talk into. Thank you so much for having me so. Do you think you'll bins are gonna be emptied yeah well. I know him now. If I see him in the straight can talk to him about Louis Paving Wall Guy Forever regret this podcast tell you what is astonishing to me. Apart from the bins yeah is this. I don't understand the arguments against some of these. Things are the automatic voter registration lowering the voting age. We've talked about before not having election on a week day it just it doesn't seem to me. Less people won't be exactly but people can't openly say that can they. What are the counter arguments against automatic voter registration. I just can't see what it would be well. It would have to be some kind of Luther Terry an argument that people should have the choice. What about not having an election election on a weekend. What's the go suits. We're talking. We did a googling and it turned out is nice too if there's a changeover of government to give people a few days to move into Downing Street overweight weekend of it. It's ridiculous. We she do a civil the weekend thing. I two days I stay on Sunday some people working on Saturday and Sunday but it it still would help. I'm sure that's a good idea. I wonder whether this the sort of quays as I planning that seem to be happening in Downing Street for election on Monday. My openness debate alphabet. You know you know what I mean because it's like well. It's it was the day some with those days like this little rather unwritten law but maybe opens up the space government on Monday ruled Thursday can be on a session Sunday this. Oh let's hope something good comes of it but any case. I think we should sal listeners a challenge which is not only ready to that we bureau devote find a person you know oh who might not be registered to vote and get them to register your and then report back to us on how you registration efforts have gone. We'll keep a register of registered voters. Yes and I felt that we got Danielle talk about the US where things the seems to be the head of steam towards making things easier whereas here the electoral commission if anything and making it more difficult reasons to be cheerful with Ed Miliband and Jeff Law. If you've got thoughts on this week's episode about voter registration or about other issues we should be covering. Please do get in touch with us. We read every email reasons that Shiva podcast dot com or you can find us on twitter and Instagram at Chivo podcast facebook.com Ford food slash reasons to be cheerful podcast and please do subscribe so you make sure you don't miss an episode and also rate us because it makes us feel nicer by ourselves act and also it means other people find the podcast preserve the way the we'd ratings chart funny right inches. If you'RE GONNA give us five stars well. That's good. It's more of a three or a few other things to do. If you're going to review is thinking of writing anything anything critical then maybe that negative channel into the world exactly is something that's good. I'm just a quick shoutout to Michael Watson. He Ross from Australia Higher Than Jeff on this week's pod you mentioned the you'd never done compulsory voting. I'm a trade unionist in Australia. I think it's vital subject hover deadly can genuinely we discussed gassed without also discussing things like how'd you get on the Electoral Roll Wendy vote. I don't believe it's silly. It's just mid week elections disenfranchise working people in Australia. All the polls are on a Saturday with two plus weeks of pre-polling early voting and you can go for any wet not just in your local polling station. How easy is it to a vote location identification and so on a well a lot of the conversation compulsory voting is around the freedom not to vote chilly access to voting is more important not spoil your ballot anyway rent rant complete love the podcast Michael Watson so what we read your email instantaneously and then this one comes from Connie from North Nottingham Hello. I just wanted to thank you both for helping me through my face returned to work after six months of Judah Anorexia. I've listened to all the episodes and just under two months. Now feel a lot more relaxed in the morning. I'm getting ready on the subject of your latest episode. I feel like gambling should be seen as a mental health condition just like Anorexia even though it took a spell of hospitalization cassation free to finally get treatment. I'm fortunate enough to have recognized if misunderstood condition gambling on the other hand the personal choice nobody chooses to be unhealthy or aren't happy though and I hope that in future those from any kind of addiction of your sympathy untreated appropriately by medical professionals rather than being a burden on society she also has listen to your podcast vincent in a perfect world. All policies would be decided by those with experience on the subject for example on gambling addiction will be discussed voted on by. I WANNA diction the loved ones of addicts and those who experienced addiction themselves. I feel the people be far more engaged with democracy and decision-making. If this was the case he's actually think the default crecy will be great. Yeah Jeff delegates all his decisions to the experts best wishes Connie. Thank you Connie. I'll be honest. System will have in the Jeffersons but you'll be getting something the order of the yes this who we should start getting out on the Castellini yeah okay we we should have a podcast honest system think like a hypothetical. Jeff crecy honest system if people want to write in with suggestions of what the different levels of Ownership Bay Jiafu Yup Yup sort of member of the jeff half the move the ball at the most. Maybe the member of the Let's let's leave it away tomorrow of the cold. This is a task for our listeners. What should the owners system being the C this comes from Pamela Allah and better past says neither of my parents were born in the UK nowhere. Any of my grandparents had always consider myself completely British now this is on the subject the Empire episode did your guests come into that people who were born in parts of the British Empire that were not within the British isles were likely it to be considered migrants to the UK. Even though they were British citizens it was humbling to hear Professor Bambara spell this out and to reflect on what this means means for me personally. I realized that the big exception is those of US whose families were part of the British occupation meaning the white British people who we lived to the colonies. My father was born in India as his parents and they were never considered Indian or migrants but only ever British. There's no sense in which I am second generation British or any other such term which is often used to apply to people from for example Bangladesh or India his parents just moved to UK. That is a good point really really empower also says a reason to be cheerful. An extraordinary school just opened its doors to its first students in Budapest. My son is eleven years old and is one of the students the real school is a green school committed to sustainability and teaching children about the challenges facing the world today I while providing them with the skills they need for the future not as the world was in my childhood or my parents. Childhood sounds good sounds good room betrayed US five dollars. Does your ideas suggested guests for a future episode. Email reasons up cheerful podcasts dot com on facebook tweets cheerful podcast cast all right time for something new on the podcast. This is called cheerful. People and this is basically just innovation isn't innovation but it's also I was just using this as an excuse to get people who we like what they're doing. It can be activism. It could be the work they're doing. It can just be people were interested in have a conversation action with and they wouldn't return our phone calls less for the podcast so this is a new section podcast where we just talked to people who who were interested in who are making the world a slightly slightly better place through what the doing and with us we have Anna Taylor who is co founder of the UK student climate network. Hello Anna a High T. Tell us about tells about you then how. How did you get involved in this. What was the moment for you where you thought the climate is something we need to be thinking seriously about. I've always been interested in it. I think maybe I was entrusted an earlier on the most people whatsoever I I for my entire life. As far as I can remember I was brought up kind of going for walks and countryside and stuff so it's very connected to the environment then and my dad always is used to point out like the letter and we used to the mountains and you look at the receding gaseous and I was always very aware about climate change. I always wanted to do something about it. Like my dream when I was twelve years old was to work in Greenpeace and I tried to volunteer their they rejected me because I was too young down very upset and then by the age of seventeen thousand the Greenpeace offices again planning for the climate strikes a worked out okay in the end and how much was Greta Thunberg the the through inspiration for this Juta remember first hearing about Gabby planned anyway so it was actually the series of protests in London around at this time last year they started that religious provided the opportunity for me to get involved so it's extinction rebellion campaign against climate change did another march and and it was the wave of climate strikes across the world so it wasn't so much Greta herself but it was watching the Australian students go out on strike on the other side of the world and realized that we had this common goal and this common concern and that is inspired me to do the same thing in the UK because I realized one UK students going on strike AAC. This is one issue that does not have borders and something we should be doing more about what you remember about that first strike. I remember it being better than I ever hoped. It could be remember. How did he even start. And what would you be explained to give you an inspiration. What did you do now up a friend. I I said hey have you heard about these climate strikes. I WANNA start some in the UK and she was like I'm not for that so we went and we sat down in a costarring Camberwell and we started drafting Japan's for like how we could use social media to get kids involved we set up a facebook event and then we met every week two months setting up a website and stuff and then offer strike on the fifteenth of February. How did you spread that so you be alive your on your school we were there. We were yeah social can we do. It's very useful. We just used facebook instagram advert sound snapchat through other organizations on on the word to spread we'd handed out posters and flyers and could you tell from the number of likes or comments or whatever could you tell this this is this is spiraling. This is going to be bigger than we do. Actually I wasn't entirely sure I think a lot of it spread through word of mouth so someone asks me in an interview a week before the first they said how many people are you expecting and I said maybe one thousand in London at Radi big ambitious estimate maybe five thousand across the country and in the end we had five five thousand in London alone and fifty thousand across the country on the first strike and I remember turning up to Parliament Square on that day and just being overwhelmed by this joy because I was like look how many any people in it it was way bigger than I ever thought it would be and he gave me a lot of scary very scary doing it or did you just feel not no. It's the kind of so you really just focused on the moment you don't have time to think and because we crammed so much planning into two months it was just working every single day and every night on ah like. I did not rest at those two months. It wasn't scary I think. Y- compared to the fair we feel when we think about climate change and the frustration nation we feel when we realized that the government isn't doing anything about it. There's no fear there about actually striking. It's more just ambition and feeling empowered house. We need to blue plaque in the string campbell. Didn't we agreed where it will begin so it's now it's gone global but is now going through explicitly to adults yeah tell us about the plans full will Friday the twentieth of September well. On the twentieth of September were hoping the biggest global strike in world history and it will be the biggest climate strike but all say it's a global strike which means hundreds of countries across the world arguing strike at the same time I say the student strikers according on the public to join them basically because we've been striking for several months now just over a year since crested a tougher strike and although we have made some significant progress the progress is in what we wanted to be an. It's not enough given the short timeframe. We need the public to come out with us in order to create that extroversion the extra momentum. We need a what kind of reaction action of you had to that to that why to call. I've found the general public harder to mobilize than students. It's harder to get the word out because social media dear is just so easy to use when it comes to realizing students and also I think students feel the fear and the pressure climate change a lot more so it's a lot easier for for them to feel like they really connect to the issue but there has been a lot of press around the student strikes and that's definitely helps the public consider striking more and if you heard for many a unions wins or workplaces where people said okay. We're on board counters. Amazon employees are going out on strike. Lauch employers are going out on strike. The TC see released a statement saying they support it so we have heard from a lot of businesses. Is it the whole day that you're supposed to do if they can do. People are going to be part of the day how to house it. There are different options say ideally the whole day would be amazing but also even thirty minute walk out would be great or two hour break during lunch. If you can attend to march in March during your lunch break thoughts nothing and also for doctors that construct for various reasons asking them to hold up a placard to saying they supporter and Post Heist a picture on social media. What will they look like for. You need the days before will be stressful but familiar because we've done this many times. Now it kind of feels like familiar territory the days leading up to the strike how much pressure and anticipation in them and work and then the actual itself has never disappointed me once. I think this has particular significance for me because you know we offer strike was in February's. It's been over for six months. Now and people used to say to me back in February. They said you'll navigate this going. This movement going to die out within two months and I'm thinking well. It's not dying out because our biggest strike is going to be in September so it'd be quite an emotional day for me. You'll be in parliament wondering yeah yeah. I'll be in London and your than not university the next day the next day Saturday twenty I think the the sort of movement in the UK a you are the more details coming along yeah. There are loads more. I think that's the reason it's grown so much couldn't have done this all by myself. There have been so many people working really hard alongside me on this and so many people in every city to be on us like their strikes strikes and different towns and cities. They're so many of those out there yeah so. What do we what you want people to do. I mean you want people to come in enjoined the strike on the twentieth. How can people find out more which they go. You know maybe they'll be listening to this saying I want to volunteer. I WANNA help I want to organized. Some of the adults come out or wants to be part. How do people get involve our website. You Care C. N. Dot Org has a lot of information on it so you can find all say if you Google Global Climate Strike on the twentieth you'll be able to find other articles as well including on three fifty's website as well the three fifty all Anna Taylor. Thank you very gentle bus and I'M GONNA get. The green black organized. Aren't we great reasons to be cheerful with Ed Camila Band and Jet Long. We're now tro tro. It's it to mention a message from some Williams message in a bottle on facebook ice book it wasn't in a Butler was face but it was good news because you almost top of the pops really straight in with the bullet and number two. Why of the list of politicians who have mentioned climate change the most wow? Did you know this. I didn't so revelation yeah so all you've got to do is in the House of Commons but if you get up and say a few more times you could you could be there at number one next next year bobbing who was number one at Davy. I write former energy. Secretary can take him down to say a few more times well. I'll do my best but it's sort of it's good we need the more people talk about them so we should thank our guests. Laura Gardner from the Resolution Foundation and Meta copen from my life my they say also my local councillor and Danielle route associate director for voting rights and access to justice at the Center for American progress and I'd like thank Anna Taylor on that climate strike absolutely mccutchen produced a podcast backup research from GOP's and Joe Kennedy Liam produced a Music James Deacon ident- announcers get lofthouse and graphics were done not by Ah Power but by Henry Cole but by Henry Cole but we keep emily power around the place four alumni for a frigate long. I know where we fit in in some way disrespectful to Henry. Cole graphics used to be done by emily power yeah and then now done by Henry L. He's been a new entrant number two. He's being told to the pope and as a be reasons to be.

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"Yeah. It's going to be our year. Rams win the Super Bowl. Anthony Davis is gonna come LA though, it probably won't happen by the deadline at least according to my Intel. We'll ask our next guest about that. And I think he's coming to big three love it. Most go law that big three LA to take on the warriors speak loud extract, Marcus spears, or not Marcus fears. You. Show. Mark I told DeMarco DeMarco fours year, and I said, hey, Mark Speir is gonna join us. Like, he's like, you Marcus. I'm like, no Mark speier's. So now, I have damn Marcus. All day. Now. I'm sorry. You know, it is funny. I worked at LA daily new like in the late nineties, right and DeMarco would've remember this. But I actually met him his brother represented Charles Woodson. Correct. Yes. And you were which all that got drafted. I interview Charles LA daily news all my years ago the years ago, but you don't remember me. But that's okay. There was a lady who I leave nameless. Who I work with who recently was at the championship football game for college in Santa Clara. And there was a pitcher of my cousin, Marcus spears. The side of the bus lady takes the picture of herself. And the bus sends a tweet to me Sam boy, haven't we come a long way since that day. I'm like we worked together. That's looking alike. Wow. But it, but Marcus is Marcus fear who played at LSU, correct? And Marc spears in grad school LSU. Yeah. So we I get mail people. Call me for another football is it's been cool. That's amazing. So anyway, Marc spears ESPN NBA insider, and of course of the undefeated as well joins us here. So my crazy like I don't think this thing is going to happen before the deadline. But I think it might be a real possibility that AD and Kyran LeBron teaming up, but let's start with the first one. Do you think that this happens by the deadline? You know at think as possible, but you one thing that, you know, Lakers, y'all know cocky and same thing happened with Paul George. You know, what I mean get cocky, Georgia's coming is done deal. And then he ends up going okay p loving it. And and doesn't come. So I think he still has to be worried about another team saying, hey, we're gonna roll the dice like, you know, they differ PG and o'casey like Toronto did with coli and just keep them for a year and a half and try to convince him to stay and perhaps offer some New Orleans grand package to try to keep them. So I don't think well, you know, it's very very possible that it could wait to this summer. I mean, New Orleans is gonna do is best for New Orleans now was better Lakers. Somebody else become with some intriguing package that could base. Basically say, hey, we'll take our chances with AD is never know could happen. So I I don't think that the Lakers should just assume that it could happen this summer. I mean, if you could get them now, get them. Now, I have a question about Gregg Popovich jumping in and saying don't cave to the Lakers. I think that is interesting. What happens to spoil market teams when the Lakers become good? When they're when they're rolling when they're a dynasty when they have the team in the NBA does do small-market teams just lose money or do. They just not have shot at winning championships. I mean, but no, I mean, it's Burs small market team. And they've been great for but almost three decades. Now, right, right. So to me it if you're small market team is owned by an owner who doesn't know what they're doing. Then it destroyed the Team New Orleans. The franchise that had you know, change in ownership. And say the been there. It's also had a GM that's struggled and David Stern beat them up and they've made some extremely questionable move. So I think the problem with Moammar teams that you can't really make mistake. If you're the Lakers a few of the Knicks when there have been some mistakes that have been made you could always kind of well, we're big market team. We could roll the dice and free agency and somebody will come and being a big market team really helped it Knicks even though I don't think they're on the right foot now. So I think it's mutually exclusive to each team because despite being a small market Spurs still been great, and okay, see has you know, kept his head above water. Despite the fact, they lost Kevin Durant and wise because they have great management running the show Marc spears of the undefeated ESPN NBA insider with us year. What do you make of all this Kyrie stuff? I know he told the Celtics fans that he will be there. And no one were you know, he's gonna retire number eleven there, whatever. But all you hear more and more is whispers about the Knicks or rejoining LeBron. And now LeBron is sending him stories on his I g with Feddie web songs like what the hell is going on Kyrie Mark. You don't wanna mental people from Boston. You did live there. Right. You know? Where's why'd you Bolger? Fra. Say you can't make them folk the prime at the not up to it. He probably should've said not I I'd hate for him to do something else. And then had to go back there and play isn't the same. This is same city Lakers fans remembered it that the the Celtics won a championship in two thousand eight and when the Lakers were leave, and they still rock there. But do rock that. Wow. What they gonna do when they lose somebody. You know what? I mean, you better you better Reese, I. I just can't see him making that proclamation and going against it. You know? So I'm I'm a believe he's gonna stick to word. I love to see it though to be honest. Lebron at the Anthony Davis. Kyrie Irving why saying here the Lakers with the Lakers. I love to see it. John Michael Jordan to available. Mark, mark. He'd joke rig anybody to clippers clippers clippers are going to get. Alive. I mean, Mark Giordano the problem Jordan series. He'd have to divest is ownership of Charlotte before joining the team, they have enquired. There's that you know. But look man at some point it had to turn for the Lakers. Now, let me ask you this. We've been talking about all this stuff and all these grand plans. What happens if they strike out in free agency? Which look I do think I know that there's talk about Klay Thompson, the warriors don't offer him the full max, actually, you know, what before we get let let's tackle that. Is there any chance? The warriors don't offer Klay the full max. They're about to move eight miles to arena in which they're selling each season. Tickets for fifteen thousand dollars for ticket license. The sweets are gonna be recons much the sponsorship. I'm sure is rising. They're about to make hands over fingers having the only venue in San Francisco that's over ninety five hundred seat. So I think they'll be just fine financially, and they'll be able to pay for clay, Tom. Okay. Right. So which gets to my next point, which is if Klay staying over there. Kevin Durant, either stays state or goes to the Knicks or whatever like people think. Now, you're gonna Lakers too. Stop it. We've done all the good stuff for the Lakers. Let's do the flip side for. All. Right. So Katie doesn't come to the Lakers. He goes, you know, Golden State of the NEC's co I goes to the clippers, and I don't think Jimmy is coming here. Either all those guys outside of Jimmy. They don't need. Lebron like you go play with the Broncos. You want to win a championship? You want that for your legacy? Those guys have beaten LeBron. So they don't need it if the Lakers strike out in free agency, and they have to go to the summer to try to get Anthony Davis. How does that reflect on Magic Johnson and his plan? Well, that's a good question. Another before we jump on that the way he's playing right now in other free agent to keep an eye on now as DeMarcus cousins, okay? Ooh. Is coming certainly coming around, and he won't be able to return to the warriors. So that's another guy that I think would be very very valuable. But yeah, you know, I wonder if with all this talk and do the pelicans getting a position where they're like the heck with the Lakers. We're gonna make way. A we're gonna do something final. You know what I mean? Like if I'm the last one I'm saying if I'm the Lakers, man, I try to get it done. Now. I I don't I don't wait. I know they got some really good young players. But that you know, why you get asset. That's why you have a draft pick trade. You know, they've had this card in their back pocket in house actually, just on the, you know, radio a New Orleans. I'm like, well, if you guys could get coups and Ingram, I and and I know a lot and ball like people in Lincoln Lynnwood prime. That's a lot man. That's too much. But you gotta give something to get something, you know. And I'm I'd rather give it up and get 'em in clip. Some, you know, be able to put some people around a AD, maybe take a hit this year with less less a lesser. I guess venture whatever and try to figure it out and wait and just gamble and then okay? He got traded to Toronto. Now. Toronto gonna try to right, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. I feel that. It's all it sitting there form, I if you don't have to play with fire, and you can get it done. Do what you can get it done. It might Biton it might hurt a little bit. But again, you gotta give up something to get from Marc spears of the end of feed at ESPN NBA insider, you the best buddy. I'll see you soon. Di man at one. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Yes. There is Mark spears not Marcus fears coming up next. We'll unpack some of that. Plus how the Rams are establishing themselves in this particular market, and how they're poised to take a step in a different direction. We'll talk about that. In a second demographer. Here's Donna show. ESPN LA back in three minutes Saddam show here on ESPN LA DeMarco far hanging out with us today. Thankful to have you, sir. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Yes. Yes. The keycard still work. Great to have. Thanks to Marc spears for joining us there earlier. If you missed what Marquette say about the Lakers, you could always go back to the podcast. Subscribe to it please on apple podcast rate review rate review rate review. That's an important aspect of how they do their their algorithm rate and review rate review this Donald show podcast on apple podcasts. So. So look, I think that we can put to rest this Klay Thompson thing with Marcus very tied into the Golden State Warriors. She lives in the bay area. He doesn't think there's very much of a chance of the warriors. Not offering full max ticket prices are going up and sweets are triple and price, and they don't know if Kevin Durant coming back so based on that alone. And Michael, by the way, has said plenty of times that Klay wants to be a warrior for life as much as you know, he'd love to see his daughter. He look if they offer the full max, he's gonna say, I don't think that was ever really something that was going to happen. Anyway, that they were gonna ask them to take a discount right by. Why would you leave if you're Klay Thompson? Right. You can be. Yes. You're legend there forever forever, right statue? Yeah. Yeah. Right next to Steph. Right. I would keep the splash brothers together as long as I possibly could. Yeah. So I so that's good that we could kind of move that along now. Now, let me ask you this. Speaking of moving along right and coming up in a few minutes, by the way, we're going to get into the USC higher of Graham Harrell because democra- hasn't thoughts that was going to come back for a few minutes, and he has some thoughts and all that too. You know because he's tight with Kingsbury. He's basically the Kingsbury whisper. So he can reach out the Kingsbury about Harold and find out what we got. Plus key was really hot like at hot in like not a good way about the Graham Harrell higher. So we're in a in a minute to. But where do you think the Rams are in the pecking order of LA sports teams right now? I guess well. It's a Laker down. Dodgers follow that probably. I was just going to say it depends on how do you feel about the dodgers right four. They get four million people through the door this room style. Every. Bowl you're in the Super Bowl now. And it's you know, it's the biggest event in sports so to speak. It's it's a one game playoff for all the marbles. So if you come back with the Lombardi, if you have your own parade down, whatever street, what we're would they I mean, could they do it in down Figaro like I mean, I guess they can have the they could have the rally at USC because they're ripping out the seats to do the renovations. Right. So maybe you can do the actual rally at the LA of see the soccer stadium. Maybe I'm told it'll be downtown like city hall city hall. Well, if you parade Lombardi trophy, and you pay off those fans that were brokenhearted when you left in ninety five and then came back to you when you came back to them if you present a trophy, you could start gaining on the dodgers right at some point. It's gonna take more than one right or a Super Bowl appearance to clips anybody in this town. But I think you're you're in the mix now show prior to the season star. Parting I had this conversation on the air. And we talked about that. It's lakers. Dodgers and everyone else. Visit prior to the season starting. Okay. I do believe that the Rams can creep into being a solid number three. Because I think USC footballs in downturn right now. Clearly, as I mentioned, you'll hear in the next segment Keyshawn is not so happy with the right things are going over there Claes on the hot seat again this season. So you know, they are the probably traditionally they've been the third thing in town. Right. And they're hitting hard times right now, it seems like potentially. So you have a team with two straight seasons of really good seasons and potential Super Bowl victory. A young coach that everyone loves and can gravitate to that can sell the franchise. He becomes the face of the franchise really a young quarterback of California. Even though he's from northern California, but still a California kit. I do think that people will gravitate to that. Can they get? Close to the dodgers. I think as you you pointed out it won't take just one it would need sustained success. I think if they have to go on like a patriots like kind of run or a Seattle run. Yeah. I think I think it would have to send you dominance a sustained run right for them to kind of creep up on that. Because I do think that what you're doing is. You're capturing the next generation of fan. Correct kids. Grow up being fans of who's winning yet? There aren't a lot of unwritten rules in football. Right. It's easy to follow. Baseball's kind of tough, right? Yeah. And the other aspect I think that hurts. The dodgers overall. Is that seventy percent of the city can't watch their games that stinks? Yeah. I still don't know how or why that's happening. What's supposed onto money, basically direct TV and a lot of these cable operators are like no, we're not paying you to put on another channel. Now granted when they tried to do that with the Lakers channel there was a huge uproar. Right. Not as much of an Oprah where the dodgers see that's where I think the Rams could snow. In there, you could capture the imagination and and at one point they did back in the seventies and eighties. We're talking years down the road, potentially. Or I mean, look by the time. Jared Goff gets paid what he's going to be paid when he rea- I mean, and you keep your in contention every single year or you're a multiple time world champion things could change multiple time. Right. Because you if I would have told you and even me I'm forty one years old like if you have told me in the early nineties. Yeah. That the patriots even though they had gone to a SuperBowl in eighty five and got wiped by the bears. If you would've told me the patriots would have become one of arguably the best franchise. Austin laughed you out of the room gorge, right? Yeah. I mean before I completely dismiss it. And I still think it's a Red Sox town, right? Right. And then, you know, but I think the patriots are number two there. What happens if the Rams this weekend wipe the floor with the patriots? I mean, absolutely outclassing embarrassed look young kids gravitate. That's that's what you wanna grab young people because young people are what dick. Tate. What's cool fifty five the nothing? I mean while knows so coming up next. Let's get into this higher Graham Harrell and then coming up after that at five fifty five Michael Thomson. I we'll talk about this whole acre situation. He'll join us. But first guys when I heard friends of mine dot, rob because they left packages outside their front door, man. They were posting picks on social media that they were on vacation thieves nowadays, they use social media. They know when you're not home. So we have incredible offer for you right now. Call my friends at slogans home security at one eight hundred two five two seven six six three. That's one eight hundred alarm me. They're going to give you a free fifteen hundred dollars security system installation. You'll get Nellie touchscreen. 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So stick around for that we're going to get to that in just a moment but USC hired Graham Harrell to handle their play calling for their football team Graham Harrell played at Texas Tech. I posted on Twitter that it's like it was a joke. But it was like getting the store brand version of the soda that used to be cliff Kingsbury, basically, you're getting signature brand. Yeah. Or like the medicine. Generic? Yeah. Abdel. Yeah. Yeah. The Walgreens, whatever flower. What would you do that? I always want to just thinking like, well, it's the same age same. But then I always end up getting the name brand. I feel like I get the the off brand like. This is like. It doesn't matter. Bitching to me to do that. So to start doing that. Yeah. So Graham Harrell was also Texas Tech quarterback. Yes. Played under Mike Leach. And he was most recently at North, Texas, the cradle of coaches, the mean grrrrrreat in conference USA. I think that just moved up to say a couple years ago. Look, I'm not saying that guys don't have to start somewhere. Right. Like, maybe he does become a great offense of coordinator. But I don't know that to be the case. And I think that democracy you played the sport. There is a pretty big leap from coaching players in conference USA for the mean green of North Texas and stepping up to have to coach at USO, no doubt. Who's defending us going to be different? I mean, maybe you get more talent than you've ever gotten before in your life to run your offense. But the talent you're playing against is a little bit different. So yeah, there's a huge jump there. But I mean, North Texas is where to go if you want to experiment offensively. Right. A lot of guys go there, and they have these running shoe type offenses and. And a lot of the players you see in the NFL and in college will come from teams like this people copying off them. But Graham Herrell for Kingsbury. It's the same thing just lighter. Right. Except a lot less experience. This is the this is the direction you wanna go wanna throw it around the yard. I'm assuming. Yes, this is what SEI is telling me, they probably started some of the recruiting pitches, right? By telling these guys. Hey, this is this is going to be it's going to be fun. We're gonna you know, we're going to essentially do what Kingsbury has been doing. Yeah. So maybe that limited their scope of what they were looking for. And this is one of the guys. Well, I mean, and it's a good job for somebody like that. You don't have to get the blue chip offense of lineman anymore. It would help. But you don't need it. Because the ball is going to be out. I mean, all you really need like like, what Graham Herro had at Texas Tech, find a Michael Crabtree. Find a guy to throw the ball to ninety percent of the time and away you go offense. What the the problem lies here is that Klay Hilton is clearly on the hot seat. So you probably limited in your. The scope of who you could hire. Anyway, then you're trying to limit yourself because you wanna hire an area guy. 'cause you've promised recruits you're going to run this Kingsbury system. So you've limited the scope multiple times because of this. I remember so we talked to cliff about this part of what you want. In addition to the you want obviously want the outside receiver you the Mike Evans you want the Crabtree. You want running backs though, because the teams are are playing you to pass Ryan though, you're still running hunt drop late because you're spread out. Right. So in US gets backs. They're always going to have some talent there. And that was one of the reasons why Kingsbury was so excited to potentially come here. And theoretically would work with any coach that knows how to put that system. You should have a just a wealth of backs in this area. Oh, yeah. Guys that maybe considered too small for SE or whatever division one you can start to fit them into this program because of the offense what he just said all you run into now. Yeah. Take a handoff run to this whole like it's there to keep going straight Mason types. Yeah. Yeah. That's an excellent point. Show. Perhaps you guys are familiar with with Keyshawn Johnson who hosts our morning show. Right. So key. I pretty sure you remember DeMarco also went to USC. Oh, so key was on from Atlanta this morning because the morning shows out there in Atlanta and was asked about this Graham Harrell higher, and let's say key wasn't so keen on high. Uh-huh. Pull of about fifteen people yesterday while I was at dinner. They said one one text message said, I'm not giving them a die. I'm not giving the school any more money while another text message said. You know, but none of take misset they should just fire them all right now. And it just it it don't know what they're attempting to do. I don't know if clay hill is going to go back to call in plays. I don't know what he saw Graham Herro. Maybe he thinks that this Texas Tech Mike Leach system cliff Kingsbury system is the way to go in the Pac twelve conference now. Maybe they want to run the air raid. Again. I I have no. This is certainly a black guy to the program to clay hill. Okay. So he saying that people aren't gonna give money and he believes it's a black out of the program to go this route and higher basically the North Texas. Did he provided alternative, I don't know? But might you listen to a lot of what he had to say. Did he add anything to that? Yet key said that he recommended to the school fish is at first fish. Lies with the Rams, right? And they said that his name was part of that, you know. But they didn't they considered it. Great coach. He's not running Aaron, right? So I think what you said might be right. You might you might be pigeonholed into this area offense. This is the direction you have to go come hell or high water. You have no choice at this point. I mean, if they start not getting money that you know, how that changes the equation, but you could always give the money back. They start winning right? If they if if Graham herald turns out to be the next Pete Carroll, you'll be back in heartbe, right? You got to give it a chance. I, but I get it. I mean like Graham Herro out of nowhere shocked me to do. I think this has a chance of succeeding, probably not right, but stranger things have happened. Yeah. To go from the the toast of the town right cliff Kingsbury that being the guy people like, wow, I can't believe that guy to be rough of coordinator to people going who crazy at one point. I think Graham Harrell had taken over for Kingsbury. Top quarterback records Mahomes kind of stepped up there. But yeah, if you can say to Kingsbury, then well, if you were tech fan, you can say, oh, no. I asked us cliff about herald. And he said great dude will crush it. They're great football mind. They will light it up now. Obviously, that's his guy. Right, right. Yeah. But but he does believe in his foot in his offense of pedigree key. Apparently does not. But I don't he didn't seem to be too. I'm trying to think the last time he was excited about UC. Oh, no one yet when they had darnold either went to the Rose Bowl key said he'd be the greatest quarterback to ever go to. I don't mean. One of the players. I'm saying just. Program bet DeMarco they had a bet on. He was excited that you know, which coach was he was excited about clay. He he was down on clay the beginning when he was one in three or whatever to start. And then clay came on the morning show. We were joking because clay came on and said, okay, thanks for all the encouragement via tax. Wait a second. What the heck? Are you talking about? Guys, also keys said why didn't they hire within as far as OC Kerry Colbert, which is a former wide wide receiver coach was already at SC. He was saying why not hire within Graham heroin, anybody else's radar, Oklahoma, state and North Carolina. But but he had like Oklahoma state. Yeah. Well, he he was also the get back coach. They're basically what they call it. The get back coach the real name, we call it the trolley control control coach he worked for Leach at wash the state for a little bit coach receivers. Actually is. Different from get back say that again, quality control different from pal. Usually, it's the strength coach that does the get back because when he might be different George. I think quality control is like an offensive position. But the quality. But the quality control coach. They were they were also the get back coach I've seen they can't. So they can do. So anybody can do the Belcher position. They just help the offense. Right. So they help you off which sometimes can be get back. But sometimes it's strength can do it. Sometimes whatever all right show. Look, I guess we'll find out if Graham Harrell's the guy or not maybe we're all wrong. Judging a book by its cover with these small school stuff. But coming up next Michael Thompson, and I will join forces. We'll talk a little football. We got five minutes, basically before we get to the Laker pre-game. We've got squeeze in all the football that Michael once and all the nonsense. Michael Watson five minutes before Laker pre game at six, but it's all coming up next on the show here on ESPN LA. Saddana show here on ESPN LA. I'm at Staples Center. Michael Thompson supposed to be joining me. Michael Thomas is nowhere to be found right now because. Yeah, exactly where are you? You know? You're supposed to be sitting here next to me, you always complain that I'm on the road and doing some basketball game in some other city and here I am sitting here. And you're the one that's gone now. Michael Thomson, mister world champion is called world champion because of course, he says that they don't play the best team in the world to win the championship. Even the best players are here. Hey, michael. I don't if you realize we're on the air. So we were on the air. Yes. Right now. Well, get over you. This is because what happens is we got in trouble. The last time when you wanted to talk football during the Lakers appre game. So if you wanna talk any football gift got four minutes to do it, basically. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. You. We had DeMarco on now. It's your turn on the air. Yes. No. Yes. We are handle buddy. You hear me? Oh, so I thought maybe we'll talk in football with DeMarco said, well if Demarco's on. Yeah. Love to talk with him with right? You don't wanna talk football with with you. I was just saying you're always complaining, I'm never around look at you. You're watching highly questionable your phone. Why? Why? Papi's the greatest personality on ESPN, whatever they pay in texts, Dan that you got me to kinds with twice told him. It was very funny. John was an honor of pop. That you're paying exactly to your your idol. Exactly. I shut Mike. You have three minutes to talk football. All right. Well, let's take this. Nickell Robey Coleman technical Coleman is to stand by his words, t called Brady old and over the hill in washed up a couple of picks. So and Brady targets, and he's gotta get some deflections of knockdowns pass defenses. Because you know, Brady's of Nickelback doesn't really start his name. But exactly I like that and the ban too. But I think, you know, you don't poke the bear, you know, wake up a sleeping giant. And I think that's all you athletes. Demarco said this that you guys are such scaredy cats. Well, that's a good point. I do like the trash talking bad athletes, all scaredy cats, but you don't wanna wake up, Michael, Jordan. You don't wanna make shack is some guys talk trash about some guys say leave that one the locate. But I understand when those guys were in their prime, but you know. Ready? You don't think Bredesen this Brian? I don't. How's he housing is nice Super Bowl then buy fruit by AXA happy talking about a good team? Because Brady great. Their defense is good their office is he's forty-one. But you don't think he's dangerously thirty one. Now, I don't. Okay. He never had the leg. So runny was never the prompt. The thing with him his mind he still could see the game you still can compete the passes. What are you been watching the audience offensive line doesn't hold up? So here we go. If the office of the line oil, hold a Jeff got Jared Goff. How's he going to be I more for Peyton Manning any quarterback? He every time Brady faces a team that can put pressure with the front four as the giants asked. The Denver Broncos with Wade Phillips as their defensive sectors postseason. He's played on you. Right. But the chiefs stink on defense. I don't care. How many sacks and to say? I mean, the LA chargers. They basically played at eight eighty backs basically, didn't even but if you blizzard Brady is out of his hands at a two seconds those little possession receivers. I think the Rams are gonna win. What's the score thirty one to twenty six thousand shock beat? But I I'm not bad looking as Brady. Okay. Well, I didn't bet against Brady every game until Nash air. I. Last year. It took a basically the greatest game ever played by a quarterback. Nick foles beat Brady threw for five hundred yards. It wasn't his gospel. Nick foles Nick foles Joe flacco, except he's got a better team around it be Jared Goff last year. Of course, it went be Jared Goff for most of the game. And they got hurt at the end. Anyway. All right time for the Laker pre-game.

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"Young charlie by hollywood and crime contains depictions of violence and is not suitable for everyone. Please be advised kim. Roman polanski wandered through the house touching things that should have seen familiar but now appeared as apparition features of a waking dream that wouldn't end end sunday august seventeenth nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine was the first time he'd been to the house on ceelo drives since the murders eight days earlier for a long time. He looked down at the bed. He shared with his pregnant wife. The pills were still bunched at the center. Something sharon did when he was away hugging him and spirited here it is she drifted off to sleep in the living room. A large red stains showed where she died lying on her side with nothing to comfort her. The filmmaker filmmaker could imagine the blade driving into her body again and again until there was nothing left of her in the sun inside her but ravaged flesh why he muttered as he walked around the house slowly. Why why why following the director were a writer writer and photographer from life magazine there to document his return along with them was peter her cosa self-styled psychic hired by friends of j. c. Bring on the belief that his readings might aid the police in their search for the killers he would later inform the press that three men were responsible for the carnage orange. They were friends of sharon had ingested massive doses of l._s._d. Which had turned them into frenzied homicidal maniacs. The murders took place during a black magic ceremony known as guna guna though police knew better than to take her coasts gibberish seriously the press showed little restraint they described details derived entirely from rumor in fevered speculation that the house was the site of frequent orgies and drug parties hardy's that sharon dabbled in the dark arts that polanski was somehow involved in the killings is open. Now the police have released and you can see you can go and see the orange place you have blood all over the place maybe close and until outraged at the macabre fantasies foisted on the public by an out of controlled media the director called a press conference on august nineteenth to deny the lurid allegations some present fell polanski's grief-stricken words were undermined undermined by the exclusive he just given life magazine complete with photo spread of the death house from wonder. I'm tracy patent was stephen lang today. Hollywood and crime presents young charlie. If you're joining us for the first time we recommend you go back and listen to the previous episode. We'll be waiting for you. Today's episode crazy charlie. Here's my co host. Stephen lang in february nineteen fifty three a sixteen year olds drive down a road outside beaver utah when one of them points through the windshield at something of ahead by the time. They realize it's a roadblock. It's too late hanging quick u-turn. We'll have the cops on their tail in no time. The only thing to do is pull over and hope for the best and for a moment moment seems luck is on their side turns out. The cops are looking for an adult robbery suspect not three teenage reformatory runaways but wouldn't you know it. They run a check on the plates anyway charlie side and gives that little smile of his. He knows what they're going to fine time. Since breaking out of the school for boys were widely sent me an orange rust hot wiring cars has been their preferred mode of getting around burglarizing gas stations provided the cash for what they hoped would be a trip to california at least until now looks like beaver utah is about as far as they're going to begin sitting in that car on the cold february day waiting for the cops to find what they're going to find charlie closes his eyes and relaxes into his fate during his three years in plainfield. He's learned a lifetime's worth of surviving from in the beginning. He knew he wasn't going to make it on his size or strength but he had a feel for how to play people. Do what you can for those who can help nope you do what you want to those who can't and when his way with words wasn't enough to protect him from the bigger tougher kids he'd starts screaming ming and flapping his arms and bugging his eyes crazed wounded animal most of the time it worked and the aggressor would back off when it didn't well it was just in the way of things that the week submit to the straw and if it came to rape as an often didn't places like that well you let it happened and you got yourself up and that was the end of it something that's done to you. Isn't you shake it off and move on uh when the police bring the three boys in it's not long before they learn. They're not going back to plainfield charlie's just fine with that but when they're sent back to indiana it's face charges of violating the dire act taking stolen car across state lines is a federal crime and federal time it is hard time charlie sent to the national training school for boys in washington d._c. And he won't be getting out until he turns twenty one on sunday august seventeenth the los angeles was times published an in depth article on the tate killings under the headline anatomy of a mass murderer in hollywood though little was yet known beyond the facts of who had died in how or perhaps because the lack of information only fuel the public's interest americans consumed everything they could about the grisly crime nine garnering far less interest but equally inexplicable or the murders of leno and rosemary labianca who story appeared on the same page titled old l. a. couple victims of slayer given final writes the article noted similarities with the yellow dr murders only the night before and that police lisa working on the assumption that the los feeless crime was the work of copycat killer. What readers that sunday might have easily missed was a third much smaller article that appeared beside the tate's story it details a crime of vastly different proportions police raid rant arrest twenty-six suspect aspects and auto theft bring the piece described how the twenty six were living in an abandoned western movie set on an isolated chatsworth ranch sheriff's deputies believing the group was converting stolen volkswagen's into dune buggies made the arrests in a daybreak raid saturday. A cache of weapons was also seized the owner of the ranch eight year old. George spahn was described as a nearly blind invalid who lived in a house on the property deputies said spawn new there. There were people living on his land but claimed no knowledge of their activities. He said he was afraid of them. No names of the suspects were mentioned when all twenty six were released days later due to a mistake warrant the times did not see fit to report it within three months of his incarceration in washington. D._c.'s training school for boys charlie's caseworker worker considers him an institutional politician barely literate with little or no math skills and an i._q. Only slightly above average. He shows no real interest in learning except for music. Charlie will sit still and listen in music class other than that. What charlie's good at is knowing how to tune his ways to an audience he might have few academic skills but he knows who he can dominate by force and who he needs is to charm and it isn't just the other boys. He's figuring out how to play psychiatrists. He's finding out light to put things in their own boxes a have ideas about how people get where they are. There is open just a little wider their heads tilt forward just a little closer when he talks about his mother and how no one cared a damn about poor charlie. They wanna hear what they already. Believe is what charlie figures and he's more than happy to give tim in summer nineteen fifty one one psychiatrist's report finds him an extremely sensitive boy who has not given given up on securing some kind of love and affection from the world another concludes that what charlie really needs something to build up his self confidence. He considers sending him to natural bridge honor camp in virginia. This gets charlie's attention. Natural bridge is a minimum security cured facility for the most promising youths what's more it would make early parole much more likely if promising can get him into a less restricted environment. Well charlie can be as promising as he needs to be by fall. Charlie gets his wish. His psychiatrist recommends the transfer and on october twenty fourth charlie has moved to the virginia honor camp at natural bridge early releases all but assured charlie's parole hearing is in february nineteen fifty two and all s to do till then play by the honor camps rules but sometimes nature is just nature and there's no getting around it there are those who dominate and those who get dominated and there's not much more to life than and that when he sees the boy alone and unguarded charlie acts in the moment without thinking about anything but what the kids got and what charlie what's coming up behind the boy charlie puts a razor blade to his throat and yanks down his pants. It's over in a minute and maybe it's time the kid had learned what charlie already knows. Rape is just a thing among things and no more than you make of it in your head. The school authorities feel differently. Elaine charlie's parole hearing is cancelled and he's immediately sent to the federal reformatory in petersburg virginia by the end of august teams investigating the tate and law bianca murders were on in two separate tracks the progress report on tate running thirty three pages made no reference to la bianca the sixteen page law bianca report said nothing of tate. The team was older. More experienced inclined to see the case however bizarre. It's elements as still a crime. Among crimes and murders were about sex or money since five individuals were involved including the entirely unrelated steven parent. It was hard to see how sex might have played a role. Yes it was possible. See bring and tate had reunited as lovers pointing to polanski as the perpetrator with the others eliminated as witnesses but he'd been in europe at the time and if he'd hired someone he certainly could have chosen an opportunity where needless bloodshed could have been avoided moreover polanski's dansk lie detector test indicated he'd been truthful so the likely motive was money since rumors of narcotics use at the estate abounded detective stayed with their theory that a drug deal was involved. Fry cousy was a known drug user and see bring was believed to have been having financial difficulties. Perhaps separately or in concert they had ripped off a local supplier and this was payback to serve as a lesson to others despite a lack of supporting the evidence the money revenge theory maintained its hold over the tate investigators. The law bianca team was younger more open to novel theories. They also were acquainted needed with what the report referred to as the singing group the beatles the band's recent album included the songs helter skelter piggies words which had been written in the victim's blood at the crime scene and blackbird had repeated references to arise which might relate to the rise scrawled by the front door. The connection was seen as more whimsical than substantive. It was quickly forgotten as detective search for more promising leads. Charlie doesn't last a year at the federal reformatory in petersburg virginia by august nineteen fifty two less than eight months into his incarceration. He's committed eight serious offenses at seventeen he might stand no more than five feet four but he does what it take to get what he wants with an ability to manipulate and willingness to use violence he's considered a danger to the other boys in december officials officials decide to transfer him to the maximum security facility in chillicothe e ohio even there he's considered too dangerous to be placed in the general population elation in a report written within a month of his arrival charlie has described as criminally sophisticated and grossly unsuited for an an open reformatory institution such as chilly kathy. Here's considered beyond rehabilitating. That's when everything changes his his chances for parole before his twenty first birthday all but gone charlie suddenly turns himself around he stops committing serious offenses and cooperates with officers. He takes part in the academic programs raising his reading and arithmetic skills. He's put to work repairing and maintaining vehicles in the the institutions transportation unit. No one might have predicted when he entered the facility less than two years earlier but on january first nineteen fifty four he received the meritorious service award from chile coffee on may eighth of that year having spent seven of his nineteen years in six different institutions. This charles manson is granted parole at ten ten years old. Stephen weiss had learned proper police procedure from watching dragnet on t._v. So when on september first he found a handgun half hidden under under a bush on the hilly grounds behind his home he knew how to avoid destroying any latent fingerprints gently picking the gun up by the barrel and bringing it into the house he he showed it to his father. Bernard weiss immediately phone the l._a._p._d. Within minutes officer michael watson had responded to the call apparently not aww fan of drag that officer watson took no precautions when handling the weapon he found to live around seven empty shell casings in the cylinder in the gun looked as if it had been there for a long time rusted and caked with dirt the barrel was loose and bent as if from striking something hard the right the hand grip was missing within hours the twenty two caliber high standard longhorn revolver and cartridges would be taken to the valley services division of l._a._p._d. A._p._d. And van is they would be placed in manila envelopes and filed away in the property section under found evidence and there they would remain sitting beside his grandmother and a pew at the nazarene church charlie. Let's ministers words flow around him and threw him in rhythmic waves. What god wants and doesn't want. Let's see what he doesn't want. Free yourself of pride and self women's servile men and menu lord. Give up your possessions enlighten your so the fifth angel sounded and a stall from heaven had fallen to the earth and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him sometimes when he closes closes his eyes. The syllables empty of meaning become cadence without content words are musical notes in a symphony of light and dark and he understands though it might not be the understanding is grandmother hopes to awaken him. There's the way of the fist and there is the way of the word and charlie. Charlie must learn to use them. Both it was a condition of his parole. That charlie returned to mcmechan west virginia to live with his uncle bill and an jemma the closest thing to a stable family he had but bill was not one to forget matters like charlie stealing his gun and and was less than convinced by his nephews meritorious service award might not be a bad thing for the boy to stay with his mother recently moved to nearby wheeling kathleen still had lewis and his drinking to deal with and it wasn't as if charlie got along with his stepfather any better than his uncle. She was happy to see her. Our son relieved he seemed to have turned himself around but she just wasn't in a position to offer him more than an occasional overnight. Stay it was then. Nancy stepped in still hoping to write her grandsons path. He can come stay with her most nights providing he attend church with our every sunday now feeling him beside her in the pew not wanting to glance over for fear of it being prideful. She knows it was the right decision. Not not only might have turned his heart back toward god. He'll have the chance to socialize with people his own age but but in a world of sock hops and bake sales and kids knowing each other since they were born. It's not easy for charlie fit in the kind of big talk that impressed crested fellow inmates at reformatory only makes the teenagers of mcmechan fearful of him. They might listen in their eyes. Get big when he talks about what he's stolen stolen or who is roughed up for how sneaking beers and cigarettes is nothing compared to shooting drugs but amongst themselves they decide. They want no part of him. I'm pretty soon they just pass by on the street without so much as a word or glance. Not that life on the outside is all bad. He's got himself a job aboard. Wheeling downs the local racetrack cleaning stables shoveling horse shit might not impress the sock hop of mcmechan. Charlie always liked animals he can look in a horse's is nowhere stands with people. You have to learn what works and what doesn't how to lead them this way or that he can do without that is stable boss telling them what to do when to do it. He's had enough of taking orders to last a lifetime but when it's just him and the horses that's okay check his mind gets clear and human voices grow distant fuzzy then one day he meets a man they call cowboy because of the stetson e wears and a certain way he has about him. He's a small time gambler named clarence willis and he's taken a liking to young charlie enough of all liking to introduce him to his daughter rosalie. The broken hand grip of the pistol found and at the cielo drive murder site was shown to sergeant william lee of l._a._p._d.'s firearms and explosives unit. Lee didn't need to check his manuals. He immediately immediately recognized it as belonging to a high standard twenty two caliber longhorn revolver ed lomax product manager for the company that produced the gun and hurried over to the police academy to confirm lease assessment adding that it was rather a unique revolver. Only twenty seven hundred have been produced since ends its introduction two years earlier. Lomax further accommodated police investigators beay providing a photo of the gun and a list of the stores that distributed l._a._p._d. Felt they were finally working on a significant lead they would create a flyer with a picture and description of the longhorn and send it out to police departments in gun shops throughout california and beyond some even reached remote locales and canada follow up letters were sent to any gun shop that had received achieved an order for a replacement hand grip for the weapon within weeks. The majority of guns sold in california had been eliminated and this area investigation had reached a standstill but just over the hill from los angeles. The high standard twenty two caliber longhorn discovered by young stephen weiss remained in its manila nilo envelope in a storage area. The van is division of l._a._p._d. They had never received one of the flyers nineteen. The only thing charlie knows about sex what he's learned in the dark halls and cold stalls of the reformatories where he's been incarcerated. It's about the strong and the weak like so much of life you do to others or they do to you on the outside. He watches the polite dance people his age do timid glances over milkshakes at the soda fountain hands grazing being hands at the movies as if by accident he doesn't believe it for a minute. He knows they aren't any different from him. These hulking youths with their sloppy grins wins courtship is raped by other means the boys play the big shots and the girls make like they don't notice everybody's out for something and pretending attending. They're not at least in reformatory. Everybody knew where he stood in the pecking order of want and submission their games charlie plays and game he doesn't and he isn't about to compete with farmboys for the chance at a snatch kiss of course there are the horrors over in wheeling and that's a whole world of its own. He watches them sometimes sitting in whatever car he can manage to hot wire the pimps worked like ministers of give-and-take intake telling them what they need but don't know touching their fears and then backing off finding that inner wound and pressing just hard enough before leading up these men and their slick suits and slicker ways no a hell of a lot more about how people operate than the psychiatrists he played at chillicothe. Ian plainfield charlie learns his lessons on the streets of wheeling find that spot of her and use it because she's thinking am i just this ugly thing and do people notice it. No you're not darling not by a mile. He will say i see the pretty inside you and maybe he's not much to look at. Maybe even a runt of a man but he can look inside them and not just what they need. He'll tell them they're pretty when no one else will that they're special special even if they don't know it yet that he's the one who can find what's best in them. Get a girl to believe that and she'll do anything for you. No one knows what charlie tells rosalie willis but before long the good people of meccan are turning their heads as the two of them walk down the street street hand in hand this nice local girl and the boy who bragged about shooting up. It's cowboy clarence willis who introduces charlie to the youngest gustavus three daughters and soon enough. They've set the date. Clucking around town supposes they have to but if there's a baby it's news to the couple in on january. Seventeenth nineteen fifty-five charlie is back in the nasreen church. Nancy watches. She's with pride is your grandson takes his young brides hand to start life anew it's more than she might have hoped for but god knows how to surprise even the worst center clarence clarence willis gives consent to his fifteen year old daughter even though she claims to be seventeen on the marriage license he liked charlie the minute. He laid eyes on him. Nancy holds the reception at her house but her daughter isn't there. Kathleen has left lewis again and moved to california. No one knows if charlie misses his mother right now. He's enjoying his wedding cakes planning his future. As a married man. Everyone has cameras and reporters. Search chief of police of the city of los angeles trees on september third. The los angeles times reported that after interviewing more than three hundred persons detectives are still without a prime suspect in tate murder case l._a._p._d.'s chief of detectives robert houten further admitted that the longer the investigation continues the harder. It may be you to solve the crime days earlier l. A.'s new police chief at davis held a press conference answering no comment most reporters questions. There were however a few tidbits of new information. It was revealed that the weapons the cutting weapon and a firearm had not been found that the killer or killers. I did not appear to have been wounded and that narcotics were found in more than one part of the estate detective out and said that personally he doubted one man could committed the crime at his press conference chief. Davis told reporters that his men were doing as good a job as can humanly be done. Unfortunately the murderer or or murderers did not leave calling cards. The times article made no mention of the lobby onto killings in the first time he picks up a guitar. Charlie can field a new world opening up to him. The smooth would of the neck the curves of its body like a woman shape most of all the electric tingled passing a newest fingertips from the strings every time he strums a vibration gratien connecting him to some universal force that goes past thinking and straight to the animal so this power there he can sense sitting in the little room room he and rowsley of rented the power to change him and the power to change the world. Wherever looks now young people seem to know something. Their parents don't don't music wakes you up and freeze you. He listens to frankie laine on the radio. In the words feel more real than talking answer me creams frankie thank you and it's like he's asking the sky and stars charlie teaches himself some chords and when he opens his mouth to imitate frankie his voice surprises him like it's not really coming from him but tapping into the same forces frankie's a force that connects everything to everything he has things to say he feels for the first time in his life and there are people who will listen music is different from earthly the comings and goings of men like the words of the nazarene minister becoming more than just words he remembers feeling even when he was sitting at andt glenis piano yeah no little legs dangling off the bench tiny fingers pressing on those keys in him closing his eyes and these sounds wafting up toward the heaven that grandmother nancy see believed was reading and he had no opinion about facing murder charges in the death of music teacher. Gary hinman bobby beausoleil received his trial date on september fourth bobby had been in jail for about a month since the fiat station wagon he'd been driving had had broken down outside san luis obispo to highway patrolman had pulled up and when they checked the license plates they discovered the car was registered to the tha panga enga canyon murder victim. A quick examination of the fiat turned up a bloody knife hidden in the wheel. Well bobby was arrested and the l._a. County sheriff's department was notified. Detectives hall whiteley and charles guenther working on the hinman investigation drove up to interview the prisoner bobbie told them he'd recently purchased the car from a black guy when the detectives informed him that his fingerprints matched a bloody thumbprint found at the scene of the crime crime. He changed his story. Now he claimed that hinman had signed over the car to two girls he knew whiteley and gunther had beau soleil brought back to the l. a. county jail and booked for the murder of gary hinman. His trial date was set for november twelfth. As bobby sat in jail detectives whiteley leeann gunther were looking for his pregnant girlfriend kitty loot singer. A possible witness to the crime but kitty was nowhere to be found. Los angeles is something you feel long before you see it like tentacles of some biblical michael beast it's roads and freeways reach into the desert the mountains all the way to the seat however might have imagined it back in tiny mcmechan l._a. <unk> overpowering in its speed and complexity rosalie sits in the passenger seat looking out with wide eyes. Charlie doesn't say a word from miles. Lets the motion shen of the cars of fury of color and light wash over him by the time they arrive at kathleen's modest apartment. Charlie knows that los dangelo says the home. He never knew. He missed till he got here. It isn't that he didn't give it a try and mcmechan. He kept his job at wheeling downs taking <music> artwork where he could find it. There was even this tug he could feel pulling toward a conventional life. He felt something prideful in the way he was looked at. Maybe even respected in that way that you're respected just for not standing out but by spring nineteen fifty five rosalie was pregnant and with doctor the bills adding to the burden of his small family charlie began supplementing his income by stealing cars just across the river and ohio. You do what you do for family family. When some rolled around charlie was more than ready for a change from mcmechan he piled rosalie into a stolen fifty three mercury and they headed in west to visit kathleen they were going to california. Kathleen is glad to see charlie and his pregnant bribed happy to let the young couples stay with her with louis not around to get between her and her son. Things are all right. Charlie seems alive in los angeles driving the streets taking it all dan there is little about l._a. That doesn't surprise startled. He tools around in that mercury and let's the city fill him like a meal. He can't get up from he understands now what people mean when they talk about destiny something beyond the here and now it's not so much that charlie doesn't think about the future it's more than it never occurred to him that he had one now. He feels the pull up the future l._a. Is the destiny he never new. He had a month after the death of his wife. Roman polanski and several of his friends decided it was time to play a more active role in the investigation on september tenth. They took out large ads in los angeles area newspapers offering a twenty five thousand dollar reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer or killers hollywood stalwarts including peter sellars lurs warren beatty and you'll brenner contributed to the effort with sellers making the announcement rather than the desire to fact the ad only created further problems for police lisa investigating the crimes within days tips were pouring in from around the city overwhelming detectives and potentially obscuring legitimate information that might have come. I'm in theories abounded from a mafia hit too bizarre drug fueled sex practices gone awry hollywood players and peripheral seemed seemed eager to turn on each other providing accusatory information on whomever they refuting with that week beyond the muddying effect of this deluge. The implication of the polanski ad was not lost on l._a._p._d. Investigators they were not doing their job. Oh it's not until september that charlie is once again reminded that destiny is something thing that controls you. If you don't control it is driving through pasadena when he's pulled over by an l. A. policemen who notices the out of state plates a quick check reveals the cars stolen charlie throws himself on the mercy of the court blaming his poor mental state on years of incarceration he even admits to stealing another car back in ohio and unloading it in florida another violation of the dire act but he's got a wife now with the kid on the way maybe he hasn't been the best citizen but how would prison help back the judge orders a psychiatric evaluation and dr edwin mcneill mcneill concludes that with the incentive of a wife and fatherhood. It's possible he might be able to straighten himself out. The judge sentences charleena the five years probation. He's still got the dire act charges to deal with and he's ordered to be back in court in february nineteen fifty six although it's unlikely unlikely to do more than a few years to his probation charlie and rosalie flee to indianapolis on march tense rosalie gives birth to charles manson junior a week later charlie's arrested and brought back to los angeles his probation is revoked and for the first first time he's sentenced doesn't adult charlie is given three years at the terminal island penitentiary at san pedro in the port of los angeles <music> some six weeks after the murders. Los angeles was a changed place. The universe of the hollywood establishment turned upside down. Frank sinatra was in hiding rosemary's baby star. Mia farrow was convinced that she would be next. Steve mcqueen drove around town with a gun under the seat of his car. Tony bennett left his beverly hills hotel bungalow for an apartment in the <unk> hotels safer interior jerry lewis home was equipped with a security system replete with video monitoring esquire would report that in the great houses of bel air terrorists ends people flying to their telephones when a branch falls from a tree outside. Yes weep deep famine that september nineteen l._a. County coroner thomas noguchi called a press conference that did little to assuage resident's fears. He was now convinced that two possibly three killers had been responsible for the slaughter at cielo drive elements of the crime suggested the severe psychopathy of at least one of the killers it was possible drugs had played a role there was little in his report that was unexpected or comforting and and little hint that the l._a._p._d. 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The London Marathon with Ed Gamble

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The London Marathon with Ed Gamble

"ESPN? Hello everyone. Welcome to heaven the game. You'll ozmet take one of the weeks major sporting events. Now, I'm Jamie laying and this week. It's the most popular race in the entire world the London marathon. Yes. More people want to run this race than any other on the planet. Now guess who is sitting right next to me his few clues. He runs for great pretentious occasion, the tally, and she's a qualified lifeguard. Yes. It's Rachel string. Why did you find the lifeguard thing from I stalked all of your history? And that was the most interesting thing I found that's that was most interesting there was that and holding your breath and water three good told me before. Yes. Two minutes and thirty whatever. Hey, how are you? Good this. And you know, a lot about the math and don't use that she run it before couple times. Yeah. Absolutely love it hands down one of the best things Agu lived in on that you can ever. Okay. So what was your time? Well, that is like this pointing I did actually cry when Alaska cross the finish line London marathon, I got three hours and fifteen seconds, basically, fifteen seconds to slow because I'm now the rubbish percent of people because of facts years if you start Emerson two percent of people that run sub three. So I'm the rubbish on apron people. So I would be in the two percent humans have three I've never run it. But I feel like I know, you know in. Percentage of things disappointing joy, and you can let me rich percents urine right before we talked to her. I guess to let's get voices quintessential run down to the London marathon in just sixty seconds. So voice last week. You just about managed to get everything in just under sixty seconds. Now, are you confident about this week? We'll I've been doing some special training and exercises. So yes, hopefully, I will make it. Okay. What have you been training, some breathing exercises tongue? Twisters that sort of thing what sort of exercises KENDALL dad's dogs, dead his one and Cynthia sympathetic sympathizing. Synthesizers another all Peter picker peppers bit old school that one for me. Okay. Here goes everything you wanted to know about the London marathon in sixty seconds voice. Three two one. Go the marathon dates back to four hundred ninety when a Greek messenger was sent from the battlefield of marathon to Athens too. Announce the defeat of the Persians as legend goes he ran the entire distance of twenty six miles in under three hours, bursting into the gathered assembly and charging we've won we've one he then collapsed and died. Thank goodness death wasn't in vain since its inception in nineteen Eighty-one. The London marathon is raised a total of one billion pounds for charity. The biggest annual fundraising event in the world. The brainchild behind the race was British Chris brazier inspired after visits the New York marathon in the seventies. Emmanuel Mutai of Kenya. Holds the men's course, record set in twenty eleven while our very own Paula Radcliffe, still has the women's and will record set in two thousand and five the oldest person to compete, the racist foul just seeing from Essex h Ninety-three there will be over one hundred world record attempts during this event ranging from the fastest marathon dresses dinosaur to the fosters carrying a fridge two hundred and fifty of petroleum jelly and two hundred buckles of baby oil will be available on route Jamie take note. Seconds. Oh, I think that's exhausted whore voice sending we'll hear from him a little bit later in the coins right time to introduce our celebrity. Yes. Celebrity London marathon runner. It's comedian stand up a regular mock the week and loads of other stuff. It's Ed gamble. Hello. Hello. Celebrity feel like a real letdown muggle comedian will do because that covers me off. I think the definition of a comedian comedy is just a happy ending. So. Yeah, that's I think also talking about a massage there. Comedian. Yeah. So it's your first gig, Jamie. The comedy store just adding another bit of talent to my bo- privilege your first gig at the comedy store is unbelievable. It was also very good that I could it comedy central stool, which. Down really well times as you. He doesn't run marathons remember remorse Jamie because I like watching people like you run the math, and we there's people you can watch for the joy of running a marathon watching other people run the marathon. No. But like the fact that Ed gamble, right? Okay. That's fair enough. That's pretty creepy. Jamie. Is this your first math, your seconds seconds? I ran the London Marissa n- in twenty seventeen Elvis. He went well, then do it. Again. Didn't go awfully is how I describe it. I wouldn't say it went. Well, it went well up until twenty two miles. We're having to eighteen mile go horrific Crump in my lower legs. How to stop try and stretch out everyone's very supportive too supportive stretch the alley and going. Well, I was trying to stretch on the curb. Everyone's you can do I know I can do him at the moment. I mean, I can place being supportive, and then I had to I found a new way of running the I could stretch on your on your force. I mean that might work as well. They ran like a dog ran like a duck. Kick my legs as I went to kick them out like a little mini con con all the way foreign a bit miles just kicking them out in stretching the cubs at the same time picturing. Well, yes, not your coach suggested it my coach I feel that you'd have a coach in panic. Coach panic suggested run like a duck. So you again this week and you're doing it again because you want to run the loss four miles like a donkey wanna run like a human being all twenty six point two of them that would be ideal. If the come out, then the has to come out, I really feel like you're going to get to the line and your call following an shout. Duck duck. To run you can have to run like a duck to six. But when you get to the twenty second of all I wonder what animal you're going to do that. Could've run out. This your first time. Did you get three thirty nine? I go competitive inherently, Rachel. You know, this is a good time. Get as my time. That's true. I'm sorry. Didn't you before we get? She's the most competitive person you've ever met. Jamie. Okay. Three nine solid. Very solid. Come on first marathan some four I'm going to say Jamie case, no is a really decent time. I will I will do some three then. Inspired you to do the marathon just done. He started running relatively recently before I did it. And I saw enjoy this case somewhere with it hanging. So you're saying you suddenly found running. Yeah. Well, what was this is quicker than walking? You know, what I mean, Jamie, stop picking holes? I mean, I started running exercise, and then it became fun. And then I thought let's see how far I can go. And surely the marathon really for most Mongol runners like may is the pinnacle of that. And also you charity, which is it. That's the other thing that's inspiring for you that you aren't just running for yourself yet using it for an amazing cools. Well, I'm running for JD f who are the juvenile diabetes research fund. I am also type one diabetic. So in a way, I am running for myself because I will say that money eventually. If they do break through and find a cure, diabetes, then that will be helping me somewhat. There is no such thing as a selfless gift is. I'll tell you what you come in here. And you got philosophers world, no idea. And I want know like people kind of always uncover things about themselves. Not just your kind of loss for miles. But wells did you find out about yourself during? I mean, many things along the way I'd never saw. I do anything like that are used to used to be very lazy didn't didn't do any exercise. I didn't think I had any willpower, and then found it and found out that I could do it. So that was very exciting. What else do you find out that you incredibly insecure what's emoji a much much angry than I thought it was? So there was a negative emotions that came up because I did a very city thing. And did a very British thing as well. When you put your details in on the website, you've go how long do you think is going to tell you to do it? And I'd never done American before I'll be very slow, of course, be so slow. So I put something like four forty five or something you get into reading in the slow pen. And then you with all the four forty five people old people forty five you could probably walk him for forty five. I did about twenty eight miles because it was running around, Jamie. I wanna see you run it in these pigsty pens. Imagine like that's like the beginning of the marathon. And I wanna ask you know, how like you kind of get the free travel you get free bug or what did you take advantage of during your marathan? Absolutely nothing. Toilet. Did you? Did you? And I don't really like crowds. So the twenty six miles in the marathon. I got stuck behind a man from donkey charity for ten miles awful. I hate donkeys. Now, I found out about myself when you got your foot on the line. And you know, the math is about start. What emotion goes three though some fair though, some excitement, but then also it was a lot of gals. My way, I don't know if that's the motion. Someone dressed in full. Cricket whites. When you're running that false, and you find a crooked to compulsively or a donkey has happen. That's the most amazing thing about the marathon. Is that it's just all different people who've moved them walks of life trying to run for this kind of same thing. It's about on. But it kind of is in the weird way. It's kind of rewarding completed I can about it. I thought it was it was a pretty joyous day. When I run out. I'm looking forward to the same if the weather's right? I remember at ten miles that was abound. Playing YMCA and everyone did the YMCA while they were running you're going to get to a corner. I'm gonna hackley come away. Yeah. You gotta watch out to tell you. Name on YouTube. Yes, put my name on the top everybody. Shouts that you. And I mean, you find yourself thanking everybody for shot, and you everyone's like go on Rachel. Thank you. I wish I could hear them. But I've got my headphones listening catching podcasts. I tell you the atmosphere around the pools is so amazing take burns my headphones out for one mile and see I think I've got a lot of podcast. How much did you raise last time pathetic? What did I raise because I did a gig as well. I think raised about maybe four grand Las time. That's pretty good. Yeah. We've got another gig coming up out. She was sold out very quickly. So hopefully, we should make some money out of the may ninth at the union chapel with Greg Davis headlining. So that said that's a fundraising gig for that. And you didn't think of us gain? There's still some room for some open spots. If you wanna come in have you second gig at the in a nine hundred seat venue. Listen, hey, if you want me there, I am there even come along, and you can wait site of stage. All right. Tell me the feelings you have when you're on the line. Comedy routines as well. When you're running you kind of think poke call have you got anything else you practicing going through things the loss. Former did it then did a show that year had of material about running in the marathon? So so have had my brain switched onto look around and see what was happening for that show. But now I've done that. So it'd be just Fuxing on the run thing. But also when you get to the wool that hit and you had twenty two miles when you definitely hit that will because everyone does hit hit the rule. Oh that she goes again. James? Hit the wall. I think my my legs to start to her. I was still like mentally prepared to run the last bit. I think physically but legs the legs. Specifically like you're gonna get through. You're going to be a duck because you didn't trade a what training for it trained to perpetrating gone told us a run loads. What else do you want to know, eat waffles and twinkies in the morning and then. Full pizza every day any like pre race soup position that don't even done it once before but anything that you're going to keep the same. Shoes were shoes. Just make sure I mean, how how much data you want me to go into make sure everything's clear before he had run yet clear the old cupboard. Of what you're inside your inside. Show you inside couplets clean thing is at you. Probably think that you impressive being a comedian and doing these marathons very impressive. Well, there's another comedian who twenty-seven math in twenty seven days at is. What do you think about that you ding one doing one? But at is touring. When was the last time you did? Tell me great comedian lots of DVD's Berlin DVD's, but when he's doing those medicines not gigging Z, he's putting writings routine when he runs them. He doesn't makes all up on the spot. I'm Ryan I'm running and I'm touring give it up his art. So he is in. He he runs twenty seven Mathewson's. And when he does come he just he just makes this book seems to be talented. He's really good. Such a little word. I'm so sorry. I don't know how you fit in you running a marathon doing so much. Your your podcast off many, which is to such a great podcast comedy awards entertainment incitement of the Bishop across the world, you should know because you're up for as long as I didn't want to mention. And you doing comedy at the moment and things that hearing. So I'm touring this leg deters just winding down. I'm doing more in autumn moment the week coming up filming my I stand up special as well. And may for Netflix. It's my outcome. Not say who's for Jamie yet? It's for now TV out say who is full. It's for ESPN. Comedy special. He's getting total now own as good luck. And thank you very much. I call wait. What she you're going to be so great. Will you stick around a bit longer and take part in our quiz? I would love to wait. Let's on next guest on the line. She was the UK's leading female runner in last year, the London marathon with a top ten place. She's currently out in the south of Spain training camp. It's lily Partridge. How you doing really good? Thank you. So you finished eighth last year. If it wasn't for the Kenyans ET OPN's premature finish. I we're gonna say. Yeah. I mean why? Yeah. No. It was a good run. It was not a lotta math and my cell phone because his plans to build on this year. Louis Jamie here, I just feel that that is you did it in such a quick time. You did it an hour quicker than my friend at gamble. Thank you. Yes. I'm very slow runner. You know, I think not for you. But for me is to taking part count. The same. Again, how tough was it to keep that speak going to keep that mentality strong. How tough is it for you running it sort of off his own day? But if I kind of I had a lot of people who've run the marathon runner in three hours, very and a half four hours. Everybody does have quite the experience at the marathon. So I actually don't think dot much different. We just fed a trained to cope with that kind of pace. But I'd wanna speak to school. Like a good thing. Everybody has a similar experience, regardless of pay how much 'cause I've run it in just three hours and his three thirty nine. I didn't hit the wool. Into twenty nine. A gigging Carter did you feel ofter it g feel is exhausted? So I think nothing of training as well. Is you kind of train yourself to deal with that level of Teague? But yes, absolutely. Like you finish. And there's nothing else. So I don't have any immediate aims after the Maratha. So yeah, you sort of finish the spend the next sort of weak hobbling around, and then you realize that they should job and you go to get that running again. So I think it's the same. But I think you we may be deal with it and recovering over better. We don't necessarily we'll go out and sort of maybe going home today the week after but then is straight back into sort of a like over-focus series. But I think the initial pain, and like domes and everything is the same and how long did you cover? Immediately. After a run the marathon twenty seven the day after I had to fly to New Zealand. So I had a twenty six hour flight the day after. No ideal. I wore my finishes Teixeira when I checked in to try and get an upgrade that lose. Absolutely. Did not work. No matter. How many times I sort of picks up a bit weather the logo was stretched out towards the nothing as you got front row seat. Restaurants. Now, are you do get free food? I will be will be trying this Tommy late. How tough is the London marathon compared to other ones. I I'm still relatively new finished Ville math, and and I've offensive balance for British awfully like London is there's no quiet anywhere. London's allowed this Meyerson I've ever run. I think about twenty three twenty four miles as like you different on the palm. And it will go sign it. And then you come out, and it sort of that kind of moment of funds quite nice because the only peaceful of the whole race. But obviously when you're running really, well, the cheese ROY to incredible and just put into perspective. How quickey you run as well, what kind of minute miles de run, and we'll try and kind of figure out how slow we run compared to you. Yeah. So Martha n-, especially what how to t twenty eight which is what I was running for my still that papers or any for most of London. Issues about five four mile, and this you we're going to be anywhere between five fifty eight and five forty two phase is sort of what you try and stay up, then if we not to compare that to running on a treadmill, which I do occasionally what speeds do I need to put it on on the treadmill to reach your time. I'm not sure if I pull rackets world record. I think is eighteen point seven on nineteen point something coloma's now on the sun, though, is something ridiculous dots. Sprinting on a treadmill full. We don't want to go into what she did on the treadmill Jim out to be closed down. At gamble is planning on breaking the record for most number of marathons done. He's beating Eddie ause rack. That is a lie to not listen to me. I'm looking to beat my. This is only my second, and I will be baiting my personal best for marathons done. I'll be previous. How do you go need vice actually he probably needs. But can he hit the twenty two miles around like a duck full miles technique me. What happened was I got Crump in my lower legs. So I changed my running style to be like a duck doing a Cam Cam to stretch out. I was running is not recognized style. Yes. What about you? What what time? Do you get the Marathe in the math? And when you start to feel it little bit, I suppose anywhere from about eighteen nineteen twenty miles sort of the business end of the marathon. That's been they say the race stuff. But I mean sharing I was fine up until twenty three. And then the heat just kinda got me at the end. So it's it's seamless between twenty and twenty three miles when you really have to put your head down focused, but we kinda on. I'm sure I tried a little bit last year, but you increase your call hydrate beforehand and your feeling on the way round just taking on his much field as you can kind of prolong that. Also also type one diabetic. So I'm constantly trying to keep my blood sugar level up all the way round. So I am fuelling pretty much from minute one to be honest by the end, I read so my blood sugar level is like I have the Cape keep it a safe level because if it drops too low than I'd have to start out start running. So I've actually this year I've got like this constant glucose monitor which I can look at my phone and say what where my budget levels at. But it just means that I have to deal planning in advance. Really, I guess what you just go to planet quite far in advance. And he a lot of stuff on the way round by the NFL, and he's brush, my taste. What do you eat eating like a cadre? Like a lot of gels in of drinking of Lucozade sport, these cliffs block things having those Knicks. The Jenny babies from children, even if they weren't even having. Shopping. Straight show like that. I've got to do you have your. Do you have your drinks labeled as well? Let we see the elites like MO Farah. Rod cliffs, you know, specifically where your bottle is isn't it? But we have elite feet they should every five kilometers. So we have our own individualized also, which is why you can take your gels or anything don't use a gel. I'll use like a carbohydrate powder. Which are studied is like sugar solution is such there's just go. Some those different types of calls in that the gel like I can't really down me. They tend to like stay in my throat and just that useful. News coming. I was waiting for that moment. I I could see Utah yet. Thank you lily. Tell me. This. Would you rather just run the races like a dinosaur fun, then running it because it's intense trumpet your personal time. It's a pretty daunting thing. Would you rather just have fun doing it? Or do you like the competition side? I mean, they'll send in the race. I could just do this. I am technically twos into this this. No, I like the competition. I like trying to see where my putting all those weeks of working it's sort of like knowing gonna try and get the best of myself. I think in the back of your head off the rest of my life. I can do this to fun. I wanna see what my body can do. And how is training going said you're in the south of Spain is kind of creeping up you ready? Yeah. No. I think you got a lot of questions with sort of like all you ready, high feeling, and it's busy kind of element. Now, there's not a lot. I can do about it if I'm not, but you're not so good so strong. I've had a really good block training last month five weeks or of so no feeling Phoenix to go. So really edge is running his second London marathan. He doesn't really have kind of routine pretty chilled about the whole thing. Just give as much as vice as opposed to become please. And to any running, right. Yeah. Yes. I mean the week before the race you just need to completely rest up like no running. You do now is gonna help you. He's there's many more tired. So just really like back all make sure you're fueling make sure your getting those carbohydrates in but good, call hydrates. I think when people sort of say on call floating sort of pizza, I'm gonna chicken sorta needs to be like, my good quality carbohydrate. Yeah. Kind of boring causing specially not before. Right. Don't be trying to think new exotic or have chicken rice vegetables, just keep it really really basic because you don't see again on Sunday. So you'll you'll funky Fridays. When I'm gonna happen this week. No tried using try every Saturday. And then on the morning of the race. What she what do you think edge? Maybe eat or do. Yeah. Over the diabetes. I think just stick to like simple carbohydrate. I personally can't have porridge just couldn't make really heavy really sick. But just something really playing nothing we'd like Deloitte and lows of like sugar in and just try and make sure you're hydrated. You're drinking you stay warm at the start because it can be a little bit chilly, but just something you can throw. Well. Yeah. Just enjoy it atmosphere can throw in quite sort of majestic way. That'd be a good story. That define Thala. Listen, good luck. If you see a man running like a duck next to you. That is Ed gamble just ignore him. Yeah. And if I'm running next to you, I'm doing very well. You should be worried. If I'm next to you. Lilly. Good luck in the math in. Time. Thank you. Thank you. Now here he is head heading the gay. But we don't just talk about sport. We actually participate in it as well. And we joined by Bill pasta villes who's running the London marathon along with the group from ESPN for the NS P C C will Bill how are you feeling pre notice about it must admit there's a group of running and all but one of those its first-ever marathan. So there has been a a sense of morale dri about and we're all trying to train as much as we can together. And but yeah, it's absolutely terrifying. Can I ask well, you know, I'm part of the ESPN team, and I wasn't asked. So I didn't get that memo. So I just wanna know why just another Email list you need to be able to. What you went quick enough regrets it now while Email Email back straightaway. Email went across the face. I am back straightaway. He had loved to up to bang up for it not thinking that the being. Yeah. You go spot and suddenly doing on you and the. You're gonna run it together. In a gr-. You're gonna stick together. Well, I'm glad you asked this and a lot of this forum to talk about this. We are. We ran the vitality half marathon the other week as kind of trading the NS pieces, you give you that. It's like a training. I'm and me on a colleague of mine who I will name as Crispell and ran together. And we cross the line as I thought together. But then when time's came through he'd beaten me by one second. You look at the photos. He's actually done a little head dip at the end to to get in front of me to do a head debt. I feel stupid. It was not even my par-. I think that you have to hold the hands my voice, and then you get that same time. He won't all the best. Look we were gonna run together. Not to a question now. Sure. Lay them to the owners Kenna rank is as I would trip. You just. Full the mind to take you tell me what made you decide to run the I think basically, I've known so many people who've either tried to run the London marathon, you know, so many people apply for it and don't necessarily get a spa, and everyone who has said it's such an incredible day soon as you go kind of chance to do it without even really thinking, you think you have to do this go give ago, I'm really excited for it for the day. But just as you've already been speaking about such an awful lot of hard work that goes into it. But I think you've got to take the opportunity if you get it, right? Like, no, everybody gets a chance to do it. And I'm on the day. I think through the training you saw the thing. I'm never doing this again. My would. Yeah. Yeah. Feel that. I think the you'll training at I'd look what is this. Painted as this lazy guy I've been training as well. Is that train of come? And then who's got the furthest in that training. Twenty miles last weekend. I did twenty two. Twenty eight before I did twenty four hours. Now when you hear that feeling a little bit more. Well, yes. I honestly have been it's really hard to work out. And you wanna run another one another loan, and then you so many aches and pains to one and you think oh, no maybe that was about a deer. And now we're in the kind of two weeks yet under doing it. Now. Stop now now on chill out. Yeah. I get it. There is that panic during the type away like well, if I'm not running long runs than my body weren't ready for it. But then as soon as you buddy, just clicks into it. It's not that long ago that you exactly that'd be fine. And when when you get just pretend like velociraptor chase might be there. Be there might be one. Did when we were kids running out the says something's chasing me. Yeah. Just that potential that little boy again being chased by raptor. Yes. Okay. Chunk of it's not mentioned. You had the mock grace of us for the half. How was that? If somebody turned me around on the finish line and said right back. He go would have probably burst into tears, but you mentally prepare for the distance. You're running right. I suppose so. When you get halfway through the Marisa won't you won't be like, oh, no another go. Noting mile. But even that was such an amazing atmosphere, and it was it was part of the marathon route actually near London bridge and Pasqualin canary wolf and all that. So there was so many people out supporting that day that the idea of that times a million on the London marathon is actually really excited to see the amount of people who are going to be the, and what time are you planning to go for if you if you time and you had. Yeah. That's what I wanna head foot for some reason based on no evidence. So anything four hours has been in my head is like something to try and beat. So I think I'll be happy with that. But I'm also making lots of excuses for why won't happen as well. Could be could be client halt. So. She was very warm. Of course. I don't think it'll be. I don't think I'll be using my previous tiny thing. Twenty degrees. It'll probably have to push to a full fifty. But yeah, it's all about the species. See, of course, so cool someone book. Komo someone book. Right. Because it is. It's kind of we're saying this too early and lily that. It's actually it's pretty inspiring to get them from all those people it together, not come round. Or is quite like, a great experience is amazing. Yeah. And actually we felt that in the fundraising and stuff as well. Kind of all coming together trying to work out ways to raise the money and then training together. I think we're going to be a little closer at the end of the process than we were at the beginning, which is really nice planned to maybe post math and party. Yes. I have a space in a pub booked on more organized and make them. I come to you. Absolutely. Diabetic can come in. You help it out with the kids lovely. Again, I mean planning pub sessions on the Email chain. We invited. You not know running. You're welcome. Yes. So I've been of the booze. All it'll be six weeks the marathon of stop drinking for the training. So one bit. I five it'll be five weeks for me of not always. And I I've made a horrible mistake of bookings ago and see the new avengers film in the evening. And I know I'm going to have like two biz and then warmer cinema with really reluctant those seats that go back the Sates, I'm gonna conquer minute want. You. You you booked vendors. Tickets because he's a very popular film. Does anyone book cinema tickets for the avengers uninvited? They one a piece on his train of because you've been six weeks booze, but you're twenty two miles. So final question when did you both staunch training done proper official? I just go by the London marathon website. I was terrified. So I started trading day. I got the Email which was in October a while. Okay. New very much wins. Then the bell. Seventeen weeks trading. Okay. So I'm not saying I've done every single run on the training plan. Sometimes I I would love to create a montage of Ed gamble when he started training like the finish it. Now. I imagine it'd be like a reverse of rookie. Yeah. Just slowly failing together. Bill. Listen, I hope you to show you the amazing. What a great cool is ESPN's rooting for you, all the way just one thing. What are you looking forward to about once the on? He finished rates all of that. He just looking forward to going to the public more than that folks, come down. My folks live up in Liverpool and they're coming down to see. And I think it's just going to be looking amazing day, lots of family and friends come into shin. I'm just really excited for the atmosphere. Apparently, it's amazing. I've never actually been down to watch either. So apparently, it's an absolutely boss days. So I'm really looking forward to it's it's so brilliant as my favorite bit. When I run it done about year, racial, but Greenwich when you get run to Greenwich is like, it's quite early honest. I six miles in and very exciting pasta Cutty Sark lowlights, probably the isle of dogs. That's why there's lace amount of spectators, and it's just sort of people coming out of their houses. Yep. It's fine. I still feel good and you run across there. And there's no cause for once in history. You never see that. And there's always really good picture charities, Arizona. So watch out for camera guys. 'cause if you kind of get a little bit of space, you can get the best picture posing. You'll running. Just run around. London. Take oh, I could live here can live in this spot lovely doing the entire time. I couldn't live in those. The final phonebox on the embankment. That's where I'm Paula Radcliffe deter little special her, maybe em cleaned up the cover. I'll look out for that. Thanks. Look how Bill you do the same. I feel like, you know, even cleaned up sprite go. Yeah. Thank you so much. Good luck ESPN will win. Don't win it fired. Bilk? Listen, we you stick around and take part in our quiz that we liked today goes. Yeah, it's going to be a head to head between four of us. Is it American based quiz, or is it just general knowledge? Yes. We is twenty six question point too. Right guys. This is the moment that we'd be waiting for the marathon. But this is possibly even bigger than the marathon. Though, you ready for this? Rachel you ready and gamble. You ready? Knock at my it's time for the quiz voice. Yes. It's their head in the game quiz, Ed. Rachel Jamie and Bill I already oh. Round one multiple choice. Ed, the most common or compassion for people running the London marathon is a teacher the nurse. See text driver the celebrity. Oh, I I'm gonna go with teacher because they got long holidays to train is correct, Jamie. The first under marathon in hundred eighty one was won by a winning margin of over ten minutes. Be a dead heat. See a brick for the first and only time d a long distance lorry driver. I knew long distance lorry driver. Really? Yes. It was be a dead heat. American dictates a Norwegian ING Simpson crossed the finishing line hand in hand to underline the sportsmanship of the race. Rachel official. Data says the fastest London marathon runners are on which age group eighteen to twenty four b twenty five to thirty four c thirty five to forty four and forty five to fifty four. No, it's see thirty five to forty four. Who'd have known it. Oh, Bill which of these Chris hasn't run a marathon a Olympic medallist Chris echo Busey. The DJ. Chris Evans, see London marathon, founder, Chris brazier or d form England defender, Chris Powell a Chris Busey. Are you looking at my notes? Absolutely. Yes. You work for ESPN. That's fine. Round tune, Ed true votes. The slowest London marathon was running five days in eight hours by man, wearing a deep sea diving suit troll, foles definitely happened. I don't I wasn't this lowest ever I'm going to say true. It is full. It's actually six days in two hours books. Michael Watson in two thousand and three record never to be beaten as an eight hour time. It has since been imposed, Jamie. The current London marathon was the first to be held in the capital Truro Foltz, foes, it is false. It was preceded in nineteen thousand nine by the polytechnic marathon which began at Windsor Castle and finished at White City stadium in front of the Royal box a distance of twenty six miles and three hundred eighty five yards knew it guest to me. Like, you did it. So well, you knew that guess near the last traces one in nineteen Ninety-six Rachel human beings are better long distance runners than horses. True or foles? True is correct. That's because we cool by sweating rather than panting. We can stay cool. It speeds and distances would overheat other animals. That's according to the New York Times, build the London marathon is the most popular. Race on the planet. Tro falls? I haven't looked mistime false if you'd been listening earlier, it's actually true, bad luck show a world record four hundred and fourteen thousand to run this year's event round three. This is called marathon miscellaneous Roma the end, Ed which film, starring Dustin Hoffman features an infamous gruesome scene involving a Nazi dentist by learn Sylvia Marlton man is correct Jamie which chocolate bars forming on his marathon boost. Question. It's sneakers fool. Jump gamble. Ratios marathon race of fine wine. The Croatian valid Rachel fine wine. It's a matter thing. Getting very close Bill marathon race or fine wine. The Ciprian Arsenault on one is correct. Let me just add up the scores him. I could miss. It's a it's a dead heat between four of you sensors out everyone. This is a tiebreaker. You have ten seconds to make the longest word from the letters of the word marathan, go. Ten nine eight seven six five all. Three times up. Got it got it. Okay. So. All right. I panicked. Ramadan. Not a word come from Rachel. I really struggled just went blank. Very poor, Jamie. I've won it. Go on IRA Thon. That's funny to good old ESPN, man. Bill is matron. Longest word, by the way is amant which means I've no idea to fly left over sunset. And that is the head in a game quiz. That's about all we got time for this week. No peace. Subscribe review till everyone about this lovely podcast joins us. Next thing. I special we'll find out what's been voted ESPN head in the game's greatest sporting moment of the twenty first century. Now, the chance to vote if you go to head in the game Facebook page, I'm willing ounce. The top ten of course, the number one. There are so many amazing moments Ogies from it's going to be a fascinating show. So until then keep he'll head in that K try to keep me to that. Until then no I hadn't been game to keep you morning. Thanks pointing out. Luckily. In the game. ESPN head in the game.

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Sheri's Long Day at the DMV

"Won't come to the bombing Sherry show with Bob hell and gentle tiny, not always on purpose, but he's funny. And sharing your wise and you smell like books. He really are the whole package. And now broadcasting from the palatial Bob and Sheri studios, it's sharing. I have the list of the twenty five but I taken it down to ten best inventions in the last twenty five years. So it's the ten best intentions in the last twenty five years, I'm going to read them to you. And then here's your part, you can tell me which one, you think I like the best that you liked it. But I like the best starting with number ten tablet devices. They are very amazing. Next one. Contract Lewis payment where you hover your credit card or phone over a machine instead of swiping. I like that you'll like that. I do you probably don't I don't, I don't even like to put my airline ticket on it. I, I wanna hard copy number eight is a flat screen TV. Yeah. Anybody who grew up with those tube TV's boy? When I first saw the flat screen TV on TV with an ad couldn't believe it number seven GPS number six still sim stuff stem cell technology, number five online shopping platforms, like Amazon number four online. Search engines, like Google number three online banking number to smartphones and the number one, according to this is wifi, which one out of those you think I like the best flat screen TVs, no. She's GPS. Yes. Why don't you use it? I do use it. What are you talking about? Don't always use. I use it all if it's a difficult place to find. I can remember driving a kid to some competition somewhere like a soccer or baseball softball or whatever. And, and I would say to the coaches where we playing next weekend. And the answer always was some town so far away that it it's not even on a map, and I said, who we playing in that town? Oh, we're playing not people from that town. We're playing a team. That's right here in our town. Why are we going there? You and then I try to find it, and I would end up like got kids in the back, and I would always end up in some dead end road somewhere all the other parents could find the damn field in this little Paducah town, but I, I could not with GPS. It wouldn't be my life so much better. You probably don't remember this because this happened to you so many times, but I remember it because. I had a Livia, but she was a baby when this happened to you, and I thought, oh, this what's coming. It was Allie. And Allie was in middle school and Allie was invited to a birthday party at a kids house, and the kid lived not far, like maybe six miles, but in the country in another county and the houses were were all set back off the road, and with no marked Sinek, and Bob had to pick alley up at the middle school birthday party at, like ten thirty on a Friday night. I can still see that house, and he set off into the darkness with not just no GPS, but only kind of vague direction sketchy direction, basically was Bob head into the dark and go east for half an hour, and then make three bewildering left's and look for a horse at night at the clock at night at night, and look for a horse and. The houses had no numbers that you could find or see and you drove around cursing in, Dr this house to our this, this house was in the woods, it was it was it was in the woods. Now they get pizza delivered because I don't think they do. And, and, you know why they had the party there because they're so tired of driving their kids to neighborhoods close to where I live, that they wanted everybody to come to them because they got, you know, at one point now, now, this was a made the choice to live there. This was when people had cellphones but not smartphones. Bob is pulled over on the side of the road with his car half. It did yelling into the phone. I can't find a horse. It was. It was awful thing. She comes out with, and I have to take somebody else home. Of course, you always have somebody else. So that was the best part of the story. Here comes Allie was like eleven. And her friend. Jessica whatever also needs a ride. Right. Exactly. And as soon as he gets the car going. I didn't find this place. I've been driving around for about forty nine sound like a completely crazed maniac. So that's why I love GPS. I it's probably I mean for humanity is the best out of that list. Probably not. But it's the one that I like eight so hard for me to pick. It's like asking me to pick a favorite child. I love smartphones. And I love online shopping, and I love wifi. And I love online banking become all speaking of online shopping, why did we not just pose when Amazon was taking off? I'm not saying invest in Amazon. But listen to what I say this is this is how some guys get really, really rich. Why didn't I pause and go, my wife is getting these boxes like every two days, I should invest in a cardboard Cup or UPS Thaksin company can who's who's thought? Wchs have gone up cardboard word as of all the hard void, let me let me remind you of the Bob and Sheri way, remember when we were required to embrace something called donkey due dot com. Yeah, because donkey do wanted to go up against Google and I love, man, I love and underdog, but Google was already Google and here comes donkey due dot com. And we were told Bob and Sheri, don't Google it. Don't we were saying that we actually saying that on the air, the station made us through it because they got a by donkey? Sherry, I couldn't figure out exactly where Afghanistan was. So I said, hey, I got a donkey do it. A week. Make this stuff up only we could Google with something called donkey, do and use my name Bob for deal. Bob. And Sheri, it's the new Bobby cherry fun size Cy on the free, Bob. And Sheri at this is a sign of how much weeping and wailing. I've been doing since Easter roughly, when I got home from taking prom pictures, Olivia, the they'll all the kids got ready to her friend, MacKenzie south. So when I got home from taking prom pictures, I walked in, and of course, you know, my eyes were swollen side. I don't how I drove home and Kevin looked at me and said, I found a movie, and it was John wick, which is not a Kevin kind of movie. The people's movie critic is reviewing, John wick three by the way tomorrow. And I said, you wanna watch John wick? And he said, you, you love Keanu Reeves, right. You love him. What's, what's John? Sweet tea you thought if I could watch John wick, that would distract me, and I wouldn't cry. Well, you so nice, you're not a John wick. So I'll just remind everyone that isn't John wick guy. I personally like the movies, even though all they are a bunch of people shooting each other Keanu place, an a an assassin this elite league of assassins, and it's like a secret underworld of assassins. And they, they have a code of honor and a code of rules and businesses transact it using this mysterious golden coins, and there's this hotel in lower Manhattan called the continental and all the assassins can go there. And when you're in the continental no assassin business can be conducted because management won't have it. So it's like a chill place for the assassins hang out, and drink cocktails, and listen to interesting music. So that's the premise that's the whole mythology and premise of all the John wick movies. Well, you know they're basically gun FU vengeance movies. So for ninety minutes not only did he sit there and quietly. Watch John wick with me he stayed awake. And I think that that was. Because he was afraid if he does off, I would start crying again, and be there, nothing to stop me. So the poor man sat on the edge of his seat watching Keanu Reeves. Emmy out of the corner, reside, mixture, I didn't burst into tears can I say something all those years ago when he stood on that sailboat and got married to you? He didn't see this coming, CD dot C that in the wind in the sails. So the next day the next day we're talking about, we're talking with the Livia butter prominent everything. And, and one of us said something about John wick, and she stopped him went wait. What knows the cow when I got home last night from taking pictures? We watch John wick and she said, a while you watched on wack. To distract me from all of my crying. And she just looked at both of us. And she said, I'm never getting married. John wig, all, which is to say, John wick, three tomorrow, with the people's movie critic. I saw just the other day in article about Katharine McPhee. Are they sure he gets shoes Auster? She was getting her marriage license soon yet, yet. They were photograph getting their marriage license in. He's sixty nine and she's thirty five so I wonder is, is the paparazzi. It's probably Los Angeles was the paparazzi hanging out at the marriage license plates or were they following her followers? You think they do based on the, the photos that show up like online of Katharine McPhee shopping for shoes, getting her nails done having a smoothie? Yeah. I think they if she were not marrying a guy that was sixty nine years old. Do you think that they would be following? Let's say she was marrying somebody who's four seasons. TV star is. I'm not saying he's not. I think they're yeah. I think a lot of the interest is the difference. She's very close in age to his daughters, and they pose. The pictures on social media where they call her mommy and stuff. Right. Right. So the whole families is poured into humor. It's good. I don't think that she got the coverage shoes murder forty year old back. She gets some. I don't think she's beautiful talented but she thought she'd be stopped. I mean that's being stalked. When you're going to the marriage led what that's the least sexy place in the world. That's not your job. I'll say, yes, I am. Are you hiring with indeed? You can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions than zero in on qualified candidates in an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash heart. It's Bob and Sheri, I'm always a little bit suspicious when there is a public beef between two celebrities because you never know if it's real, you might find it interesting to follow a little bit anyway. If you got nothing else to do or is it just the celebrities Jennings? Something up. You know, they've got a new album out or a movie out, and they wanna get in the headlines. I share your. However, I think this thing about Natalie Portman and Moby is real. They did date. Well, let me let me read you the story. Okay. Moby said that I was a bald binge drinker and Natalie Portman was a beautiful movie star. But here she was in my dressing room flirting with me. She was twenty and he was thirty six or so, right? Yeah. So there relationship ended when she called to tell him she met somebody else. And he says, quote, I was relieved that I'd never have to tell her how damaged I was. Oh my gosh. I well here we go. Now, listen to this. This is Natalie's version of the story. It's a little bit different. She says, quote, he said, I was twenty I definitely wasn't I was a teenager. I had just turned eighteen and then she adds. We only hung out a couple of times before. I really. Allies. This was an older man, who is interested in me in a way, that felt inappropriate even at the time I realized he was a much older man being creepy with me. She also says she's this is capital, letters, very disturbed that he used the story to sell books celebrities have got to give you if there's other publishers say you've got to give me something about drugs sex. We, we, we really another famous person. Yeah. Another famous person in order to sell these books. So that sounds like she's pretty ticked off at him. And I think he was using that story in her celebrity to gin up popularity or notoriety for his book. How old do you think a woman would have to be for her to date a guy who's, let's say twenty years older than she is where it's not perceived as creepy is the mom of daughters. I'm gonna. To go with twenty one t eight twenty eight and the reason I landed on twenty eight is very specific. I landed on twenty eight because that's about the age, you are, when your brain your frontal lobes are developing, and you have a grasp of consequences, and judgment, and time in perspective, because I think that, like, if Livia were twenty two and she was dating the guy in the office next to us, who's maybe like thirty eight or forty two I'm not gonna work for me going to get an undercover New Jersey state trooper involved in that conversation. I think that you have to be an adult yourself before you date. Another dog group that I was gonna say thirty I was twenty eight was twenty eight was the earliest, I could see it because you're saying twenty years years. Yeah. Well, that's roughly what he was twenty years older. Because a okay so twenty eight year old woman dating a forty eight year old guy. At forty eight you are in a completely different place in your life with a different understanding of everything and, and twenty eight. That there are exceptions. I mean. People that are very, very mature and wise beyond their years. And there are some people that are fifty and they still act like they're twelve. But you're unbiased because I am a woman and I'm raising daughters. So I'm super biased where this questions concern. I'm interested as men where you come down on it. I think thirty to thirty five we foresee dates years older, because Mary dated older men before she met me, and I'm older than Mary, but she is a old soul, in some ways, I mean, she's just filled with energy and all, but she, she never wanted to be around a guy who has the same amount of energy as she has because I think she said it would drive me crazy. There could only be one, one of me in every house. And I get that. But when, when you think about ten somebody in their twenties, and you're in your late forties. It just. It seems strange. That's why I picked thirty to thirty five you know, I was not one of those people that should have been dating older. Man, I never did Kevin's, four years older than me. And I often point that out to him when he doesn't understand something I'm like, well, that's because you're older and you don't understand hip hop or whatever. Right. Because hip hop. Soul and going around. So or let me explain how that app works because, you know, you're older than I am. I've never dated guys a lot older than me because I wasn't emotionally equipped to run with an older crowd. I just wasn't about myself. Do you think that my daughter Livia should be dating a guy? He's twenty years older than show. Definitely not. That's, that's why I brought this up. I think it's interesting how Moby kind of fudged her age at the time. There's even a. A big difference between just turning eighteen and being twenty. There's a huge. There's a huge difference. I view decades of your life are, they are not equal. No, there's a huge difference between eighteen and twenty difference between twenty and twenty eight right, exactly. Thirty five and I know a lot of seventy two year old people that haven't changed at all since they probably thirty five but between zero and thirty five. Developmental stuff right there. I'll tell you Natalie Portman is a very smart woman. She knew exactly how she was. She knew she wasn't twenty. She knew she had just turned eighteen not only Portman has that rare combination of incredible brains and incredible beauty does not to be trifled with. That's exactly who, who knows. And I think that he's honest when he says, I'm a arrack I'm damaged. I'm a mess. I think that was a pretty honest thing for, for him to say, we got morons, the news and its next. It's bob. And Sheri, Bob and Sheri, your they are. It's morons in the news. There's a viral challenge overseas right now where people are kissing cows, like, oh on the mouth, and the Australian government has just put out a warning to people that you should remember. If the challenge ever makes it over here. Don't kiss cows. Forget the germs, you could get kicked, if you sneak up on a cow and that could kill you especially if the cow has Cavs. The internet is making us more stupid. I like cows, as you know, if I see cows, I get excited fun. Don't kiss the they are more dangerous than sharks. That's right. Where people are injured and killed by cows than by sharks kissing cow. Puppy. I don't have any even have to know about the danger. You know what bring your in your tone down because no one is asking you to apologize for not wanting to make out with a bovine. You don't have to feel defensive about not wanting to kiss a cow, who is the person who started the. A drunk, one a drunk perceive. About that. I do they do. Have those big rubbery soft lips though? I mean I can see how it certain guys could be drawn to that. And if they have the right markings on their face. Oh, yeah. Round is there's a big difference between live Tyler and Elsie. Okay. Live appreciates your pointing that out. Today's more of the day is one of the favorite images ever in morons. In the news, this happened in Florida, of course. Dave Jacobs who lives in Georgia? He and his family were in Florida to attend a friend's wedding when they and they were staying in an Airbnb and south Miami when his fourteen year old daughter said, dad. Oh my God. That is so mad and they looked outside. And there was an alligator alive, alligator low in the pool atop an inflatable alligator. No. It's a gator on a gator. Oh my gut. It is. I'm looking at the picture that is the craziest, you had to see this picture. And we will text it to you right now. We will send it to your phone when you text the word moron to eight eight eight two six to seven four three seven. So what happened after they saw the gator floating on the gator his brought him a pinochle oughta enjoy the rest of his wife called the Airbnb as owner who called wildlife management. A gator Wrangler, eventually fish, the reptile out of the pool. He the gator Wrangler told the family sorry, took me so long to get here. We're busy, because it's gator meeting season. That's the first time in my life, I've seen an alligator not in a swimming pool, but floating on an inflated alligator. It's something that you would see in a cartoon and Wally gator or a corona beer trashy, and it would be made up. That's exactly right. Well, there's a woman name, Georgia Suwalki, and she lives in west Newton, Pennsylvania, and she had a birthday on Wednesday of last week, she turned fifty five. So she expected that her new boyfriend, David Ray would be doing something they've been living together for about four months. He didn't do anything. He didn't get her a present. He didn't by Georgia cake. He didn't even give her a card. So after Georgia's spend her birthday drinking vodka. Let me read that again. So after Georgia's spent her birthday drinking vodka she wound up grabbing a box cutter and going after David with it. He ended up some cuts in his arm. She was arrested and has been charged with assault and probably is going to do a little time. You're very few things. That are more scary than a box cutter. I'm getting there, there are some people that demand that their birthdays treat it like national holidays. Georgia's nor like one. Wow. If you wanna see gator floating on a gator in Miami pool techs stored moron right now. Two eight eight two six to seven four three seven. Fat. We all love video doorbells voice assistance, have changed our lives. We can control our home with a touch indoor and outdoor cameras help us keep watch. We want to guard our digital lives and take security with us on the go with ADT you can have all of these things combined the twenty four seven monitoring from the most trusted name in home security, ADT real protection. Visit ATT dot com to learn more licensing formation available and eighty dot com. 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But does it help a little, however going over the Washington bridge, I would have to be on the top in not under because I figured I had a better chance to survive. Ing on the top is it collapsed, which I believe. But I did find out later on that when I was a kid. We went over a bridge in, I think, New York way ours regionally from and did actually collapse, like three hours after we went over it. But I didn't know that. So that doesn't count she that all of your. You're back. My father has just jerkin you around when we used to go to the beach. We would go through the Baltimore harbor tunnel and riot brother, and I would try to hold our breath, right? Because we're going under the water in case something should happen in the tunnel you were prepared. I have no idea what that meant, but, but somehow per pair, why not keep breathing into, you know you're wasting some lung power. You know, when you see the, the actual water coming in the tile wasn't the smart, brother. Every time I'm in that tunnel. I think, well, this would be a bad spot to be when zombie apocalypse breaks out 'cause you're trapped through Trump to you're trapped. My father had a of Connecticut turnpike was famous for having tolls. And they're putting up even the governor of Connecticut or just read the other day is putting up even more tolls to, to raise money the state needs money. And so, you know, you'd have to pull up to the toll and pay. Well, then they went to assist them where you could put a special license plate on the front of your car, and you could drive right? Yeah. So he told he got one and we got my grandmother, and we got my brother, my mother, and I all crammed into the Pontiac, and he's got this thing up in the front and we're driving up, when I'm you know, ready for him to stop for the tolls and he drives right through because you don't have to stop with the license plate. And as he drives right through. He rolls the window down. He goes go to hell. Just keeps going and I was going oh my God. Daddy, just blew through. I pay it. My dad he's an outlaw. Only my father. What a terrible terrible. Oh, speaking of things on the road. Listen to this. I was this is at right after alleys wedding. And I'm in my car, and I forget where I'm going, I'm going into the house that we're staying. I'm going toward it. I'm in the left hand lane because in order to get into the, the resort area. I've got to be in the left hand lane. There's a must thing behind me. Right. So actually, I'm in the right hand lane. I, I want to get in the left hand lane. So I put on my blinker and I see in the rear view mirror. The little light on the Avalon is not coming on. So it safe to make a you know, a turn the guy is not real tight, but he's not real far away. It's in between. I'm in the right. I put the blinker on. And I get into my Lynn is soon as the guy in the most thing saw me making that move. He Florida came around took my half of the lane was within four five inches of my car, o it gets better. Oh, it gets better. And then cuts in front of me. Me between me and another car to get into my lane. No. He goes back into the lane that he was in. Oh, he was going to teach you a lesson. I, I don't know why he did that. I'll tell you because he, he didn't. That's why he's the whole bag, but he was in believing that he just came around me. There are people who resent anyone doing anything on the road that they prove why he was going to school you. But when doing wrong Cifra changing lens to get out of his way dare you he was he he went back into his own lane. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Are there guys who buy muscle cars? I mean, the mustang's a great product. Are there guys who buy those cars just to pretend that they're NASCAR drivers once in awhile? I don't know about muscle cars. I don't know about all guys, but I used to be married to one of those guys, and it is exhausting how, so just dry. Five just get in the car and drive to your destination. You are not a by God and you were drinking buddies, DMV monitor new. You're not a race car drivers. None of your business with that lady in the Jeep Cherokees doing just mind your business drive, where you're going. What is it with some guys, though, that it has to become like a competition like a race? Those guys just don't. I mean first of all, you ain't got the stamina, dude. I saw the guys who went by you. We got the stamina to be a NASCAR driver. Those guys are, are at those guys, who drive like that are so difficult to get along by bet. They are. But to almost thrash us in order to get back into the lane already in. He was making a point. Here was the point you change lanes and didn't give him enough Rupe you on those pious getting him out. I was done care you disrespect it him and he's going to school you now. Well, I have to take maxes advice, just let things like that go, because people are raise how rage ful. And not that person is going to be that way. That's what I mean. Not so work, bad. It's Sherry get Lamar's reviews sent right to your phone text movie to eight eight eight. Bob, Sherry, okay? This is wild. They're tokyo. Police have created a free app that is for people to use on rush hour trains, because apparently, there is an enormous problem on these very, very crowded trains Japan with gropers, and perverts. The chains are so crowded. Loopers congest. It's like it's like they're shopper for fruit at the grocery store. They're all over the place. Like, there are so many gropers that they meant a lot of them go unreported. They've had nine hundred plus groping claims report. It just in a single year in the past couple of years onto trains. And so you can go to jail for six months in Japan. If you're busted being a groper, so the Tokyo metropolitan police department. Hilton app, and it's called digit police and the deal was, it was originally designed to help elderly people protect themselves from scams. So let's say you called an elderly person and you're trying to sell them something or get them to give you money. They could they could open up their digital police app, and it would help them know whether or not you religious it, but they just added a new thing to this police app. And I downloaded it but it's all in Japanese, and I don't I can't figure out how to make it work. But here's what happens. You're on the Tokyo train. And you've got your police up on your phone, and a fellow passenger gropes you more or in any way touches you. You tap a button tap the screen and this loud voice screams out, stop it. There is a molester. Stop it. There is a Malays. That's priceless. Not awesome. That is great more than ten thousand people, a month or downloading and using this app. Now, you know with my look I finally get to visit Japan. Dan? And I'm on one of the trains. I'm just standing there. Woman has it. And she just her knee, bumps it, and I'm the only guy. I would be awful key. You imagine how wild that must be. That's like something out of a movie like blade runner, something that size. That's great. They have they have a train over there. Now I think that just opened up. I don't know where it goes. But it it's not just in Tokyo. It goes somewhere else in the country to it. Can get you to where you're going as fast as an aeroplane is that the train that actually let it's a magnet and it levitated. I don't know. I just read how fast I don't even know the miles per hour, but it can get you there as fast as a plant. I read about it might be the same train. I think it must mean that the way that that train works is by magnet propulsion, if you're an engineer person listening to this your probably excited to be married to one of your kind you probably going all who doesn't know about that. Well, we didn't know about that. And here's how it works. The train there's there's like a cushion of air like. The two magnets, repelling against each other. Sure. And the train is rocketing along at hundreds of miles an hour, because there's no friction but doesn't it freak you out that something going that fast that big that heavy rocketing along on a cushion of does it does? I mean, how could they be sure that a cow is not going to step in front of it? You know, or or a bus or something like that you're going, I don't know how many hundreds of miles per hour. The thing that, and I don't know why it would be scarier to me that it's on that cushion of air, as opposed to directly in touch with the rails or the tracks. But doesn't that kind of freak you out a little, it's because I'm so pro-trade? I just love trains. I wish we had more of them in our country that, just blows my mind. The idea of something moving hundreds of miles an hour levitating above the ground like that, you still want to be benefit as groper. I don't can you imagine? Then I'm spending six months in a Japanese hell hole of a prison East Japan Railway. This is how bad the groping situation is East Japan Railway during rush hour has women only train cars. No. Allowed on I have never heard of anything like that. I, I had no idea worst example of groping. I ever saw was in New York City guy was with his girlfriend and a convertible stopped at a light on the east side. I just got out of the sidewalk went over grabbed got back in with the crowd. Couldn't believe this. Staff you won't hear on the show, the Bob and Sheri odd cast on the Bob and cherry app. Get it now in tune store or Google play for Bob and Sheri small plates, before I get into this, I'd like to point out that I've been doing these small plates thing for weeks and weeks and I have been accused by some people of like doing a bit. And then never coming back to it again. I have not been complimented that I have stayed with this in his become very successful small plates. Bits including Bob's high horse, ak-, wile, guests, Bob's big quiz. Bobby? Bobbing. Bob's big question. When he did speak quiz. He confused about what the name of his own. Question. No, it's with. One question. That's fine. Go on. And you know what it says about me, let me tell you what it says about me. I never give up always forgot about Bob. Yeah. What about? Oh, what about the hip hop report? What about? Nope. No is one that lasted about a minute. The table of wisdom. Yeah. I you know, throughout table of wisdom, where we would give advice to people, and people, they rejected it just didn't work for whatever reason. Yoyo. What's up? What's up cookout lookout hip hop report from the Tories. He'll he'll be giving up. Hey, I've got news in the bobbin in the Bob's hip hop report. How cool is this? What's his name? We'll nasdaq's. 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Yeah, I smell like share Donut. That'll little turn a. Oprah donated a half a million dollars to an after school program at Newark, New Jersey, high school just the other day. Good for her has given. Millions. I know she was called out oak PO come. You didn't do what Robert what was that guy's name? Robert smith. The billionaire who did it. And she said, I've give it away, like you know, thirteen million dollars to college, Amy Schumer got met mom. Shamed. Online for doing a standup show, two weeks after giving birth you know my own business if if. Felt like she could do it do it now, I have to say as everyone knows who listens. I wish I could give birth if I did good birth, I would not be going on stage two weeks later. I was back on the air within two weeks. I was in the hospital for a week with Livia and then back on the air in two weeks from working from home. We're coming air zero maternity with those kids that's true. So and Amy Schumer responded to her mom, shaming credits by post your picture on social media for self pumping. For. We give them so much pallet say Bob is right. And it can't be expressed strongly enough mind your business, nobody's telling you, what you should, or should not do with your baby. Strained your biz. This blows my mind. I know she's so successful and people love her selene Dion. How many pairs of shoes you think selene de onions? All right. Let me an I. I it's her money. It's her money. She loves fashion. She loves shoes. I'm gonna go with two thousand four hundred ten thousand shoes. You would have to help a small house as your closet, wouldn't. How would you remember? I don't know what you had so the color coordinated so that you could wear them or like Alicia, SilverStone inclu. Listen, Peter is. Right. And finally, there is a list going around. It just came out of the top shows of two thousand and nineteen thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen because the season is pretty much over there going into reruns now, and a lot of networks, and they're preparing for the fall, blah, blah, blah. The big bang theory, lasted thirteen twelve seasons. Well, ABC's finale, I won't ruin it for anyone who hasn't watched it yet. Oh, god. Look, I need anything. More to make me cry. The big bang theory, went out after twelve years as the number one non sports show on TV. No arctic. They cancelled it after twelve years, they would have kept it going on CBS, the producers said, Tim Parsons did wanted to it anymore night, or stand that because he's going to be thought of as nothing. But that character didn't move onto something else. But that is pretty amazing to aren't that many shows that go out as number one Lamar's were news, sent right to your phone movie to eight eight. Bob Sherry, so I did not tell you what happened to me at the DMV, first of all, like I am so glad I'm not a kid right now because I had no parents, and I did everything in the world by myself without a parent. Today. Your kid cannot walk into the DMV and do anything without apparent. I don't know if you've realized that I had to sign in three different places for my daughter to take test for a learner. So I think I think I walked in, when I was sixteen I noted myself. Yeah. I, I didn't get a driver's license till I was nineteen. But my boyfriend drove me there, and I took the test, no parent, no parent involvement. I'm so thankful. Thank you, God for letting me be born at a time when children that were raising themselves could do. So with these like you registered yourself for school. We went to the DMV, so I go to the DMV and the DMV lady is so nice. We had the nicest DMV lady, and she six planing to me what we need to do to get a real ID. So I'm just bringing my kid there for her learner's permit. But just to get a learner's permit. I need it documentation. From the school documentation from the driver's Ed place, her actual original social security card her. Actual original. Certificate and proof of an address. That's to get the test for learners point. You think that they require so much? It's we live. It's post nine eleven America. That's what I'm figuring live in different times. The terrorists did this to us. So she's explaining the idea, and she said to me now mom, if you have one more piece of documentation with her address, we can do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I looked at the lady and said, she's two feet tall she doesn't get mail. I got I got nothing here. Like I don't even know what she pays no ghost. That's ridiculous. So we she goes and she, she gets in line. She gets her number. She's like K one. Oh, five or whatever for the things we sit down and the DMV is filling up. But there's only like five people ahead of her. I am feeling. Very, very good about, by the way. Those words the DMV is filling out. Spilling some of the scariest or most depressing Moore's ever spoken. And I look over, and I said, girl, we nailed it today, you're going to be in and out here. Oh, time, do not fail this test. Because if you fail this test, not only do we have to come back here in seven days. That's the new law. You have to wait a week, but every member of the family will make fun of you. And I will not stop them. Oh, put some pressure on the kid. Hey, you know what? It's tough world. You gotta start getting ready for the tough work, but you don't want it make somebody nervous when they're going into something like that. That's like me playing an attorney in Gulf. And, and I've got a hit the green, and if I do we have a chance to win. And my partner says to me, no, don't screw it up legally blonde. There needs to focus so we're sitting there and suddenly all the lights go out, and then they come back on. And then they go out again, then they come back on, and the DVD V lady, stands up and says, ladies and gentlemen, the entire DMV internet has crashed. Oh, no. We can process nothing. So legally blonde stands up to leave. And I said, sit down I am not giving up my place in this DMV line. What happened? We're going to wait. And see if the system comes back up, we're going to wait till fifteen at three eleven the DMV eighty points to carry me and said, baby girl, it's working get over here before it crashes again, my tax dollars at work. She took the test. She passed. I had chest pains, I was breaking out into a cold sweat shops. I've been to the DMV. Yeah. You want to go again. So pass the test, I said to her, she got up to baby girl, come over here. I grabbed a holdover t shirt and a yanked and said, do not fail this. Good for the lady at the DMV loved that late. 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It's Bob and cherry, I don't know if anyone is following this new story about the go topless Galveston event. I, I guess if you don't live in that part of the world, maybe it hasn't really been a big deal. Here's what it is. Go topless Galveston is a giant party on the beach for Jeep enthusiasts, basically people with GPS. And, and this is in this beach in Galveston looks the public beach, and you're allowed to bring your vehicle on it. And so people come out, and they I believe the topless part means the roof of the gene, the Jeep, not your, your body. But anyway, people come out and they throw a big party. Well this year's go, topless Galveston event, went buck wild police ended up arresting lick hundred twenty five people there, there's a petition going around demanding like almost twenty thousand people have signed a petition saying ban go, topless Galveston. There were bra. Paul's a car was set on fire. There were head on collisions. A drunk driving people like full on X Rayed it behavior in full view of the public. And so, but here's here's what I want to share. And if you want me to, I'll, I'll tell you what's in the video, and then you tell me whether or not you want me to post it watching some of the videos of the these bras, on this beach is such a powerful reminder that in real life when people fight each other. They look really stupid. It's not like the movie, so it's not like the media this movies and TV shows, fist fights, and brawls choreographed, like ballet, but in real life. Here's what you see in this video, you see a bunch of guys in their bathing suits, just taking swings and kind of pummeling at each other, but it's awkward. And you know what I was like, I second hand embarrassment watching it, and then at one point a girl in a red thong, bikini. Breaks up the fight now you know, this is not an action movie or a Batman movie when a little tiny woman in a thong, bikini is what broke the fight up. You know, sometimes when it's real life fighting the guys look silly hit a full Philly. Yeah. So I'm looking at the only thing in this video that, that the reason I haven't posted it yet. And so we're going to take a vote. The only thing in the video that gives me pauses the thong part because, you know, like some people might be offended by that or whatever. But the but there's no X rated stuff now. So when you watch this video, here's what you, you say to yourself. You go self take note, keep your shirt on keep your alcohol, drinking to a moderate level, and don't get into a public fistfight because you are going to look stupid and pathetic. I think a girl in a thong bathing suit is not quite that big of a deal. So you want me to host it? Yeah. I think it's okay. I mean I haven't seen it yet. I it's going to the wrong beaches. Because every time I go to the beach, it's, it's all kids. And families. There are no thongs at the beaches that I go to you are going to the wrong based on one. This is crystal beach in Galveston. What I'm seeing you are definitely going to the rose. Meanwhile, a lot of the people who are who were there just to like do the Jeep lifestyle. Whatever that is. I, I live the minivan lifestyle where the only thong that I'm involved with might be a shoe. Right. The people that were there that were legit and, and not creating mayhem, mar outreach that they're getting tagged as savage animals because of this. I mean sometimes if an event just gets out of hand, you do have to cancel it. I mean, people are crashing into each other. I'm sorry for the people who are well behaved, but you can't have chaos on a beautiful beach. Right. It's supposed to be a really wide beach in order for GPS to go on the beach tear it up. Oh, it's no, it's huge. And that's part of what, you know, there are beaches, I guess there's a Daytona Daytona where you can drive your vehicle. Each. I think there are parts of North Carolina where you can drive near up near Carolina beach. We can drive on the beach still. This one just went this one. Just went Cardi control. Yeah. Absolutely crazy. So I'll post the video and you can watch it. Here's what you want to watch. When you watch it. What's how stupid people look when they fight each other. There's something to be said for the Korea choreography of western movies, you know, where there's a fist or even gangster movies where there's a fistfight and it all just seems to work, but in real life, like Duri member, the terrible situation in Charlottesville. Yeah. And then the there were some, you know, fistfights some hand to hand combat and it just there's no other way to put it, it looked ugly. Look silly silly an ugly. So the people's movie critic is coming on tomorrow to review. John wit three if you're a John, wick fan, you know, that those movies are just gun FU. I mean, it's just crazy violence, and every kind of choreographed extremely stylized violence. When you look at this go topless Galveston. Brawl that I'm about to put on our Facebook. You'll look at that and go, I really need to get dressed, not fight people because this is not a good look for in. That's right. You know, there are towns in America were go, topless Asheville or wherever it may be actually does exist, where once a year that that's what happens there physically topless downtown. That's what I thought this was going to be about. I didn't realize it was about GPS. I you know what I would love? I would love to be able to be topless on a beach bathing suits are uncomfortable and miserable. I'd rather not wear one and you know what it'd be nice to let these ladies out and let them see some sunshine fresh air but. What I do these lifting. Ladies out. What do you guys call? What is one of the really obnoxious things make all the, the fun bank's net? The fun bags out to play. But like. Top, bro. At now. It's funny this, this country can be so out of control with what you were just describing at this event, and yet, we have very few topless beaches, they're all over the world. But that's where America evidently draws the line and that's where we say. I don't think so. All right. So I'll post this video up and just watch it. And then remember that the next time you accidentally over your over serve yourself. The captain were spice from you do not want to be in a fistfight. It's Bob and Sheri, the free bobbins Sherri instantly. Get the podcast. The I'm Casten Bob and Sheri fund size. Okay. Todd has something for us right now that he and max collaborated with what is it? I showed this to Maxie other day. This Riley night been cracking up about this. You know, she went to Las Vegas over spring break with her with her goggles, as we call them, her, uncle Eric in his husband, Mark. And so they went, and of course, my brother and his husband are totally into Celine. Dion. So she's been all into the selene Dion mode. And so it was earlier in the week, selene Dion. She joined a James Gordon for the carpool karaoke. And so I kept showing this the max, and I was like you have to you have to show the Bob and show it happens. So the, you know, they're in the car, and they're riding along and I'll let max set it up from here. In the car, and he says, hey, I'm outta gas. And so she turns on the radio and then you get to hear what happens. And then the times when she's not singing, James corden, they show him outside the car pumping gas. Oh hang on a minute. This has never happened before I forgot to fill the car up here. We got. To leans not pleased. Oh, he's putting the gash and she turns on the radio. He's guests. Eric Carmen record. Real life. Listen, hitting the notes if getting back in the car. Yeah. That's pretty good. I love him so much. It's funny how she would know that song, unless the whole thing is just gonna rehearse. I think she also knows I think, selene Dion knows all the songs songs like that. Yeah. And I also think that she has a good sense of humor about herself. We've all seen Bridget Jones diary, including selene Dion. I think she actually very good sense of humor about herself. You know what? I'm happy. Okay. So here's here's another pathetic example. Why am I happy for someone? I've never met him. We'll never meet. She was so devastated. When her husband died, she was so flattened by grief, that it felt like she was just never going to come out again. You know, and she's she seems to be. Okay. I had an experience Elliott wedding, where one of her aunts lost. Her husband, he was older, and the she was a good deal younger than he was. And he passed the waves a great man. And so, I saw her at the wedding I went over to see how she was doing all, and she said, I'm doing great. You know, the kids are doing great and so on, and then she paused, and she said, I met a man, and you could've you could've just me because I've, I've never thought of her with anybody else. And she's older now. And yet. The, the heart will go on. I was so sweet, I it was so tender. God topic. Yourself? The hardest go on. I never met her late husband. But I do he does not want her to be alone one-star to go on. You never hear her associated with any other guys do. Raising her sons. I probably should get hobby. I'm starting to feel like maybe one that's outdoorsy. Wifi illustrate. It's probably heartless go on my career Moscow. Pretty good. Once. This bobbin cherries believe. For woman in the fast country of Spain recently passed away, and she cut to her three sons out of her will, and the Tucson's havi air were, hey, contested it, and it went all the way to the Spanish supreme court and the supreme court ruled in the woman's favor saying she had every right to cut them out of her will. And here's why Tovey havi havi air. And, or hey accused their mother of witchcraft. Povey said she was evil. She was practicing witchcraft. In the she lived at a haunted house accused serve everything that gone wrong in his life can hang up the phone on her. When calling him on his birthday. The woman denied any claims of being a witch and her third son named Ignatio was leg. Yeah. Whatevs and now stands to inherit the entire thing. But this is a big deal in the Basque country of Spain because that part of the world has very deep historical ties to witchcraft up to seven thousand people were investigated for which craft between the years, sixty nine and sixteen fourteen as part of the Spanish, inquisition. Expects. Spanish inquisition. Expects punishing. That must have been rough living back in those days, don't you think you're a little bit different? And all of a sudden all they had to do the town fathers had to do. I think she's a witch. To the races. How long would I've less than in that world. Be good. You and my daughters. Mary and Mary, we'd all be getting we'd all be at the state together. That something. Well, we're lucky, you know, they was just crazy. I mean I told you that the lady, who did the from Norwich, Connecticut, who did the search on my family. I'll yeah, you're genealogy found out that my ninth grandmother ninth grade. Grandmother, nine generations, grandmother, was was driven not really driven out. But she left Massachusetts followed Roger Williams to go to Rhode Island for religious freedom. They were they were calling her a witch. So it's in your blood to hang with babes like me. Yeah. You know, I think. And it explains my daughter's to, I mean, this woman was the real deal. She was a good thing. She was taking no crap from anybody. Good things. She had the ability to flee because that story could could've ended valley bad at it was around that period, it was in the a little bit a little bit later. I think sixteen fifty something like that. It takes me it shouldn't I should not be surprised by anything that happens in the world now ever, like the name of the book. They wrote about. It was American Jacksonville. Ooh. Yeah. Who I like? When shame left the country, we didn't realize it. But surprise was riding shotgun. Look, you're not allowed to surprised by anything or feel shame for anything. But in the year, two thousand nineteen to have the supreme court of Spain, looking at a case where a woman accused of witchcraft, so one son, got was she wealthy. I mean no, it's not that she was wealthy. But what she had what she had what she wants. It's going to all to Ignatio because humvee air and hor, hey, were found not, not innocent, or whatever or not right in their accusations of witchcraft. But in, in the best country of Spain Yudo mess with which is because of the Spanish inquisition. There's, there's a small part of the audience that gets that, but they really get it. Good. Python was a comedy show and British TV the came to America, many years ago, you think for actually people listening right now don't who money python. I'm asking. Like ordinarily. I would keep for this without a doubt without a doubt. What did you say you disagree with me? Flaine Monty python. I can't believe that you think that probably. That you don't think that about forty to sixty percent of the audience does not know who Monty python Daf forty to sixty percent. That's hi, Bob. Hi. Well, I mean, I mean you've had Michael the show the show goes on in the nineteenth six I know but when you're like my wife was, was not even born yet, but it's like it's one of those things that's just in the pop culture. Yeah. It isn't. It isn't it wasn't of your ass. Right. He was on TV either of quirky thing, let me just say the way you're talking to tide right now. You know what it sounds like it sounds like the Spanish inquisition? That's what sells. That's. It's. It's stuff, you will hear on the show the fob in Sherry hot cast on the Bob and Sheri Poggi's in advance for the earworm about to unleash on everybody. But this story just touched me, so much. I decided we need to share it. This happened at an elementary school in Malaysia, two thousand eight hundred and sixty nine ele- mentor school kids, just set the Guinness Book of world records, record for the world's largest music lesson. These kids learned how to play baby shark on the ukulele and the overwhelming majority of the kids in this world record had never before even held a ukulele ruined. So they got the lesson and they played it and performed it. And here it is. Two thousand eight hundred sixty nine. To the ukulele sales. Good gig. Did you have music class? Yes. You're in school. What did you use a class Tonet? What is what is that? It was a black flute like instrument that was about a foot long, and it had like air holes. Like like. Yeah, luxury. They're called recorders to, and you everybody at. And I remember I everybody had a Brown Tonet carrier, a case Brown case that was like velvet and the inside. I mean it's a plastic flute basically, is what it was. I haven't thought of this in years, this is probably third grade, maybe, and you have Tonet did you have some swag about yourself, because you really want it to be an entertainer, you know, I hadn't it hadn't kicked in my calling head nut kicked in at that point. And I was a mediocre Tonet player. You know, you could tell even in the third grade, you could tell the kids who were going to play trumpet, and the ones that just is what. All the saddest thing ever. So you know that I love school. I have loved school since the first day I sat in a classroom, always had my hand in the air. Always did the extra credit just could not get enough of school. And for our music lessons, the we did singing we didn't have. I never got to play an instrument of any kind, not even like xylophone. We would do singing, and we would saying this land is your land and all those. Right. And I had the same Fouzy Azam for singing that I brought to every other aspect of school and kindergarten is in the front row. First grade back a little bit second-grade little bit further by third grade, the teacher had me, backed by the closet. Belting, it out like Whitney Houston at her. And third grade. Poor thing, third grade, at the Holdaway school Aetna, Wyoming, I was disinvited from glee club because I could not carry. So sad was crushed. I signed up for it because I didn't know that I could not sue them. You know there was always when you had a school play like in elementary school. There were always like two or three kids who never actually got speaking parts. They were always the tree. Yeah. Or the ruck or something now you're going to be in it. You're going to be the tree mary-ellen and everybody kind of knew. But never said anything about those poor kids, we had a school play and first grade about spring, and I wanted to be Robin redbreasts in the worst way because Robin redbreasts had a costume that had flapping wings. And Robin redbreasts came out on the stage like kind of strutting flapped its wings, a little song solo had some style. No, ma'am. No, he wouldn't give it to you. I was a blade of grass. Did you never knows Chris, too? That's right. Robin redbreasts sing I guess she had a solo she had a solo and I was just, just beside myself with jealousy that I couldn't be Robin Wright, Braxton. Oh, it's a funny thing. Alley loved being when she was little being on stage and the first play that was offered tour. She got the lead. And then the next year the first play she was offered. She got the lead the third year. They did Anne, and she didn't have red hair girl. With the most red here you've ever seen an alley did not get the main role in it, tanked. Up for several weeks. She was still in the play. But it just shows you the drama even back, then I just found that Tonet you can get one for four dollars and sixty nine cents. Maybe we should get you one as your secret Santa present. I mean you you had that you had accordion for about two weeks. Those little flu. It's the new Sherry, fun size on the free Bob and Sheri app admirations for this young person. Seventeen year old kid named name over here, Michael Watson, Michael Watson. He lives in canton, Ohio graduating from high school this month. He's been overweight, most of his life at one point, he weighed three hundred and twenty five pounds. But about a year ago, he decided to do something about it to be healthier. So he overhauled his diet, he stopped eating pizza, every day, you know, there's some people that are just fixated on one type of food. I, I don't know why I remember this, but there was a kid all he could eat. And his parents, eventually gave up he was like fifteen years old. Donald stugotz, will this one was McDonald's hamburgers. The I think there was a kid that was all they could eat. This guy was pizza every day. No, he eight other things also. And he a lot. A lot of it was pizza. Every snacker is a meal doesn't say, but it sounds like I mean pizzas wonderful we, it's one of the things we talk about constantly on this on this show. But I think even pizza replace would say, you know, not everyday right mix it up a little bit. So he overhauled his that he stopped eating pizza every day and he walked several miles to school every morning, even if it was snowing, he still walked. That's how the termined he was. And his high school gave him a shout-out on social media because as he approached graduation, he lost in one year a hundred fifteen pounds. Wow. I am so impressed with our kid. I mean that takes dedication for an adult to sit down and say, I gotta look this over what am I doing here? Discipline a lot of hardwoods. A lot of discipline and, and talk about hard work walking several miles, so he probably to get to school. He'd have to get up. What five four thirty in the morning? If you're dealing with a number of miles, east, see the look on my kids faces when I tell them, you know, it's a nice day you should walk home from school. Like what now they don't go to school in another time zone. My think it might be three miles at the very, very most probably not even I don't think they're unusual that way. Oh, I know they're not unusual. I, I to walk. I, I did too. One of the greatest things was as soon as spring hit in Connecticut in north haven, my buddies, and I get outside, and it's sixty one degrees, and you can smell the fertilizer on the lawns. And I had to walk two miles is probably three or four miles on love to I've always loved being independent while cana- riding my bike, and my kids, one of them, actually said, this is verbatim. Quote, one of them announced to stuck into my husband. I would like to be sewn to my mother. I just want to. Maybe velcro. So that occasionally I usually get free loan. Yeah. I do them. But yeah, they don't they don't have that craving for independence. No on the pizza thing I was thinking about this the other night, 'cause I, I, I was out took care, Mia somewhere and had to wait for a couple of hours. So I went to this pizza place. And got a piece of pizza was chomping on that. And, and I thought you know, when I was like Kay rose, a teenager and lived with my grandmom, she cooked every day because that's what she did. But sometimes now the women in my family, except for me are were a bunch of chain smoke. In real thin looney tunes. So it would be like nine thirty at night and we've already eaten dinner and it's like a talent food. Right. So it's like lasagna and my grandmother would go who feels like pizza. It's nine thirty at night I feel like pizza. Let's have pizza and she would order pizza, and then we would eat pizza like ten o'clock at night. Alexa is much as I love it. I mean, after heavy Italian really any dinner I, I don't think I can add to it. I do not understand. I guess as a kid, I assumed that there was some combination that happened inside the human body between miracle one hundred and Maxwell house that made it impossible to gain any weight whatsoever. She eats sweets or EP tween meals. She kept at her side at all times either a five pound giant Hershey bar, or a Wittman sampler. And she the other things she loved worthy powdered sugar white cream filled Dunkin donuts. She pop one in each cheek. I tell you, I don't know. On your grandmother, several times. And I know that you are telling the truth, she was our last figure, and she would be like, oh, pound cake for breakfast. Sometimes she'd eat some cereal in the morning, so she would chain smoke Maxwell house. And apparently, there's some combination of those things that is magical, she would take a bowl of cereal and poor half-and-half on it. And then fix the same for the dog, and she and the dog, and the dog would also get a Cup of coffee with cream and no sugar. Because I. Ready? Sugars bad for. She the dog or having coffee and cereal with half an F on it, and she could not gain a pound. Now where's the Justice in? This is just her metabolism unfair. So it was a miniature schnauzer dog a hatred all Heintz wasn't hyper, though, Heintz was very, very mellow. Very mellow. You know, it sounds like a good life for hindsight was no, no upturn. What your grim great time? And then she schnauzer would sit together on the couch, and, and she would take a bike, she would reach into the Whitman's sampler, and she bite it if she didn't like, what was inside at, like, if it was that raspberry jelly it wasn't like she would offer it to the dog, she would lean over. Into the dogs. You don't wanna waste. Waist. She is so much like my I would smother it is. It is scary. The only thing that the she did not share with the dog were cigarettes because they are expensive. And also the dog couldn't hold his. This is Bob. And Sheri, get the more on of the day, sent right to your phone, text moron to eight Bob share to sixty seven four three seven. That's new story that I read about sixteen percent of Americans at least part of the week at worker, stoned on marijuana. They just they use. We'd throughout the day at work and not sixteen percent of the whole population but every day but throughout the course of the week. Maybe one day a week, it's a Friday, maybe it's every other data. No, and I was thinking to myself, well, what kind of a job can you have where you could be stoned on weed and still get away with it? We we discussed radio and would not be possible. I think. But for other radio might be the right format. I guess I mean, if you're, you know, if you're more music, Oreo, baby. Hey people working here. Yeah. That's true. That's true. But I mean if you're working, like your roofing, I don't think that would be a good. That would be a very bad idea or you work in the medical field Yoon worse ID's up for your root canal. Look at a year. Put this blocked here mile fuel. So I've come up with a job that I mean no offense if you do this. Okay. But I think I've come up with a job where you could be on weed, and still get through the day without anybody knowing you work in a big mall, not in a department store in retail, because I think, you know, there's a lot going on there still. But you're in one of those kiosks in the mall like the one where the guy sells the baseball caps that are monogrammed. It might there's no one ever there. It might actually be a kindness. Exactly because I mean, I've, I've walked by some of these kiosks and said to myself. How do you do it, man? You're just standing there alone all day. Here's the problem with doing that. In a situation where it's boring. It makes time. Go more slowly anyhow, anyhow surveyed that. Oh, you. Right. But at least, you know, you could laugh at somebody going by or I don't know. Max may be right with that be worse. I think it would make it worse. Here's a job, I think I could do wasted. And won't we established that I fall asleep glasses of wine. I am not a fun girl on any substance. Let's say I'm just big on my mind. I could work at one of those fro yo places where you, they have like dispensers, and you make your own. Oh yeah, you're just weighing the thing. And then charging the only risk is I am going to be tempted the stores empty to put my head directly under the spout have myself some of that pink lemonade. Sorbet. How about as Schuessel's Mun? A lot of times there's lettuce stand around and all of a sudden here comes somebody. Hey, would you like to Choi? What size? All right. You go back and you find it, you know, your way around tell though retail is a hard job. It's a hard job you're dealing with people, and in the shoe department. It's not like it's constant the manager of the shoe department might be kind of kind of difficult and look at you. Bob. Are you stoned? Did you come in your stone to sell shoes to women? I find that there are no managers shoot apartment. Shooting. Listen I barely function now as a sober adult, I can't be any more tired. What are these sixteen percent of Americans duly? They have different brains than I do. I am chronically tired confused. What would I do your brain? Isn't that different more tired, and computer brain is that different? It's just not that different. What the doing and their bait? It might be better that we don't know. Yeah. I wanna minute kitchen, something like that. God knows what the what do you think about that? The talk back teacher on the free, Sherry app and leave us a message. I was reading about the best romantic comedies that were set in London. During the nineteen ninety s so that's a really specific time and place. Notting hill, Notting hill is there. Yeah. I've seen I think all of them that's the one I'm looking at nineteen ninety four. Right. Yet, male. No. That's New York's. That's yeah. You've got mail as New York City. Thousands set in London. Set in London. So I'm sorry. So here they are. And I think there's only one that I have not seen an I don't know that I've ever even heard of it. And I can't believe it's in like the top five of these London movie set in the nineteen ninety s I'll run down the movies for weddings and a funeral from nineteen Ninety-four, Notting hill. You're right nineteen ninety nine that's great Bridget. Jones diary, that's actually two thousand and one but they and about a boy is in their two thousand and two and love actually, which is around the same era. The one that I have not seen, and it sounds really interesting is sliding doors. Oh, paltrow. It's so good. So the, the premise of this movie is she goes and finds her? I guess her husband is having an affair on her. And what they do is they show her coming back to the apartment. I think and the slide. Doors have to do with, like, the, the subway that she gets on. And it's. It's it's, it's a boyfriend. It's not a husband okay? A long time. It's been twenty years since I've seen. Right. But, but the idea is that little things happen. In our lives and can alter what the trajectory of our lives are going to be little miniscule things like the sliding doors. Yeah. So it's a movie that has alternate right in, in the one what I'm reading here in in, in one part of it. She discovers that her boyfriend was cheating, and she goes in another direction. And then in the other way, she is oblivious, to his cheating, and her life goes into another. Is that correct? Yes. And the whole the whole concept is it's amazing. How just one second one movement, one choice. Alters your reality? Alters your entire life. You should watch it. You should get it on demand. So good. And the guy the place her boyfriend is also in Four Weddings and a funeral. And I forget his name is Scottish actor. I think Sean Hanna. Yeah. He's, he's wonderful. She's really, really good. And the film is packed with London. Locales fete voice Tyner trinity. Buoy warf- blue anchor club. These are all great bars and restaurants in, in London. It's, it's an interesting concept that making one choice can just change your life forever walking into one restaurant with a friend who introduces you to somebody, the chew have never known before. But now you're dating. Don't can't you think of at least one instance, in your life where one choice changed? I wrote I can think of just so many. And I mean changed my life. Yeah. It's like that would not be here with you with without those exactly. It's like that. And sometimes it's just like the spur of the moment thing in a, it's a spur. Of the moment thing, like get ready to go to college. And I'm working in this plastics factory and like nineteen and I'm driving home, and I hear on the radio that this news guy for radio station was quitting to go into the hardware business. I think he made a good choice. And I want, I know where that radio station is. And I drove over to it. I went an applied for it. And they gave me the job at nineteen reading the news. Now if I hadn't done that, at that moment. Right. Who knows? Who knows if I'd have the chutzpah to, I don't know, somehow put together a taped bring to a radio station, but I, I had no experience. I had no recording to say this is what I sounded like so suppose I didn't hear him giving it up on the year that. And I said to myself, there's no way that you can get a job in that business. You have absolutely no experience. Wouldn't be wouldn't be here. I was in grad school in Philly at temple when I got the phone call that my father had been granted parole. The time he was imprisoned was the peat, most peaceful and happiest time of my entire life. And I knew that when he got out he would begin terrorizing me again. And I just had no more patients or energy for it. Now, I was in school on a free ride at a full free ride to do my MFA at temple at the end of my first year. My father got paroled, a guy I had dated in college said to me, why don't you? I'm gonna go work on a movie in Wilmington, North Carolina. Why don't you? They're hiring. Why don't you come Dino dealer NS studio is the right you know me, like in school school is my everything I was so unwilling. Going to deal with meth crazy anymore that I was like you know what? Yep. I filed for leave of absence from school took that job my entire life change. Sitting here now you went back to college. I went back in and got a masters degree later. But paid for that one. But I don't regret it. I could not do I couldn't do. I couldn't have anymore. I just that one. I'd had enough knowledge. I'd had enough. When you've never had peace. You don't even know what pieces and then you get peace and safety, and then somebody threatens that and you're like no Satan. No that must hear that must fit like heaven, it did to have to have no outward pressure from somebody who's out of control understand that I had been frightened the bodily terrified for my entire life until they locked him up. You know what you let him out. I don't think so reminded me of the Julia Roberts movie where she's terrorized by sleeping with the clipping with the enemy, and then she escapes to a mid western town, and, and she has this little bungalow house, and she's so peaceful. Yeah, because she's away from that guy. And then that guy comes back and, you know. Yeah, exactly. It's five in cherry. Get Lamar's reviews sent right. To your phone text movie to eight. Bob, Sherry, if you have ever asked yourself. Wait, am I possibly the most arrogant tool, that's ever lived? I mean, have you ever asked yourself that? Make you feel better cruise you are not Bob. Least the host. She exited the word most, I know. You're not I'm in the club. Just not president is what you say, I'm going to tell you now about one of the most arrogant tools, that's ever lived. And you have never heard of this person, and you did not know this was real. But this is a real thing that actually happened. His name was king. Pepi the second. No. It wasn't was. Peppy PPI king. Pepi the second. He was an gyp shin Phero who ruled as best we know because, you know this was a long time ago. He ruled for ninety years, ninety ninety years. I'll critic rule for ninety they became kings in childhood, depending on time to live during that period. When you hear what a giant bag piece king Pepi was you go. Let me here. This is how arrogant king Pepi, was he thought, very, very highly of himself because the pharaohs believed that they were gods. He did not like insects buzzing around flies or mosquitoes. He just it was a thing with him. So if there were insects nearby he would command, one of his slaves be covered head to toe in Honey. And serve as a human flood trap, and the Honey covered Egyptian slave would stand next to king Pepi covered in Honey, and swarmed with bugs so that the Ferro would be unbothered. Look, arrogant tool than that. You know what? That sounds like are you. Pretty sure this is historical. Okay. Have you ever seen Mel Brooks, the history of the world? Yes, longtime ago. And so they go through different periods of time and different horrible events. And what events is Louie the fourteenth in France at his peak before the revolution. Of course, and he's out in the back, and he's got some sort of, of a gun and he says, Paul and. One of the townspeople. Yeah. Pulled. What now? The honey. It's the same thing, peppy the second pep, even his naming names, airgun peppy. You have to be born to that life to have the giants stones to command these things. I know it you know, even in that was it was at the mini series Rome. With servants standing there with a water while the couple is having sex and it's a woman, she just stands there looking ahead once in a while. She'll look over at the couple of anything. Yes. If they need anything this is like I want you to imagine it's mosquito season and a lot of places in the country. Mary Hampton come out and Dowsett Honey. So that I may Partido. Could possibly do that. That was important to it. Thinking of few people that I MO we're of today list. List that woes that now anytime you think to yourself, man, I might be an arrogant tool you'll ever done that he'll. I ain't no king. Pepi. The poor gyp. Shen. Whose turn it is to be destined, Honey, and swarmed with tell you, what one thing, peppy had was good security, as, if he lived to be ninety years old. 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Field of Dreams

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Field of Dreams

"I then welcome to fantasy focus baseball beautiful Thursday morning, June fourth, twenty twenty with co-host Tristan h Cochran producer. Klaus soppy I am Eric Caravel. We are a baseball show as such that will be the subject matter. We discussed today a now since it is Thursday every Thursday so far for the last couple of months. While we dream for baseball to return to the fields, we bring in our palate. EXCELLENT ESPN staff writer June lead to discuss movies in sport today it is field of dreams. Welcome has always to the fantasy focus baseball June. Hope you are well. Thank. You guys again. This is again the highlight of my day Thursday so I. I hope it's a highlight of your week, but they will take day. That's good enough for us. not sure what everybody's doing with days. As always the first question we have to ask you is. When did you see the movie? Did your wake up before I am to watch it or did you see years ago? I did wake up at six thirty. This morning I started watching it at seven thirty, but I saw this movie multiple times growing up, so this was a movie. That I've seen before, and honestly my opinion on it hasn't really changed. I think it's one of the most overrated sports movies here he's. Like. I very rarely has like this strong opinion about things being overrated. I generally hate like those kinds of discussions, but this movie I think is truly overrated the reputation of it. I think far exceeds the quality of the story. On a variety of levels. I generally think. We. Talked about Kevin Costner movie last week obviously with Bull Durham. This obviously, this is a completely different Johner of movie. But for me, the things I have a really hard time getting over with this movies just how Hammy Corny, it is unlike a multitude of it just feels. I understand that they're going for this fairytale. Whole esque thing with baseball, but. Just doesn't ever really hit right for me like the movie sets up basically as as as basically Kevin Costner's character, examining his own daddy issues, and that's basically what the entire movie is. You know we obviously the. I will say that I think the ending of the movie. Despite the rest of it, being pretty corny usually hits hard for me. Just because like you know father, some playing catch. But overall one of the most overrated movies, sports movies in general in my opinion. Person I suspect you might agree. Yeah I second that I actually listed this as the most overrated baseball movie I did also listed in my top five favorite movies, and the more I reflect upon it. The more I wish I could have that ranking back and keep it out of there and just leave it at number one most overrated. I'll put it this way I. Have a complicated relationship with this movie. Just as I had a very complicated relationship with my father, and I think I have realized that those parallels make me. They bother me particularly about field of dreams in that, you're right June, it it's it's effectively dealing with daddy issues and a very light and empty sort of way, and it comes to a conclusion with one of the things that are I'm sure you and I will get into about some of the decisions casting wise and some of the mechanics of the movie. They have a catch catching effectively. He's not even really that great at throwing the. The baseball I mean come on. It's a father son. Catch late in the movie where he can't even throw I. I don't know it doesn't really have a lot of weight for me. And I saw this movie with my father. I did not like it at all the first time I saw it, I grew to like it upon the impression of other people over the years and nowadays where I realized that my own father son relationship. I'm sorry to say poor it I've had problems with that. It really bothers me a lot now. Looking at those parallels and that's the thing people like people who enjoyed having catches with their father loved this movie. That wasn't the same for me. Maybe that's I'm biased because of that. Yeah June. Would you say that's what people enjoy about? The movie is Father, son relationships, and and the Corny line. If you build it, he will come. I mean like is this. What people like about it is that whites isn't really baseball movie in that sense. Yeah, I mean I think really frames itself as like a father son movie more than anything and. You know like you see over the course of the movie Kevin Costner's character, making more of an effort to. Build a field obviously, and then just figure out what what one the world is happening in terms of his head for me I. It just feels easy like the whole plot of the movie just feels too easy, and there's no bumps in the road like everything, just kind of happens, and then it's over, and it's just like. I never felt any sort of like I didn't really feel any stakes with this movie like. What is there to lose here like? He builds a field. He what loses his dignity because he talks about the beginning. You know I've never really like. Pursued my dreams, or whatever, like that's the only thing he has to lose this movie, and so like I resonate with a father son. Catch stuff. It just doesn't really feel like an authentic like father son story I don't know well. There's three categories of the that we're supposed to discuss on the show. Warren is artistically. Was it actually a good movie? The storytellers adapt understood enough to know of the plot holds off. Is it entertaining or a motive? It's not really a motive. I guess the father something could be some. You'll like that. They're trying to push emotions onto you to a certain degree. Look I'm going to catch like this one of the things. I don't like about filmmaking. Particular films that if you are trying to get the Oscar nods. And really don't have any substance to your I have a major problem with it. This is one of the things throwing a non baseball movie. American beauty bothered me to an immense degree because I felt like it was a movie that was trying to cram a lot of Oscar clips and feel good moments, and not one maybe not so much into one package field of dreams. Retrospect feels that way to me. It feels like a lot of attempts at Oscar. nabs things that you could use this clips. That bothered me a lot. That's a fair assessment. Second Section would be technically as a baseball movie was unbelievable, or if it was light on baseball plot points offered the best realism obviously the fact that they picked the character to be Joe Jackson, who not only bats from the wrong side of the plate, but throws with the wrong arm and is looking man like they couldn't have gotten the character Joe Jackson, any more raw right like just anymore wrong. We know Jackson batted left handed. Ray Leon doesn't realize couldn't even play baseball, and then He. He throws with his left hand. Joe Jackson did not that. That's something that has a baseball fan I. I know just that's messed up. I knew that the first time I saw it so it's not really a baseball movie other than that I guess the third won't be timelessness movie. Stand the test of time I think in this case, the movie stand the test of time in many ways, because like trump says you know what it was meant to do. It still does except for one part. Dresden, which just It'd be delegate here. Yeah, it. Doesn't stand. The test of time. Is the casting and you mentioned Liotta? Some great actors in this. Great, James Earl Jones a great actor. He has the great speech at the end that a lot of people remember and it touches on a couple of things that are tricky first of all it's. In the book it's supposed to be jd salinger, right and. So they did that for legal reasons, and then he's effectively celebrating a pre-integration game, which to me is an awkward thing in retrospect to do that. We are talking about nostalgia in a game of baseball where this was in the era of segregation. That's. Problematic to say the least the other thing, too is he brings up capitalism effectively in the speech, which is another thing that's a little bit of a slippery slope, and in retrospect I'm bothered by that watching it again. That's why I find it hard to watch this movie again and to to celebrate it I I've I've sort of soured on over the years I. Don't know feel very critical here overall, but it does have its flaws. Something that I think kind of sticks out, just thinking with the to James Earl Jones baseball movies that we've talked about on the show so far I'm talking with my friend. Jake this morning about about field of dreams over at the system is family barbecue and He brought the fact that both San. Lot and field of dreams are both about how baseball people have this poll to come. To this poll with baseball, the special relationship with baseball where people gravitate towards it. and. I just feel as i. just feel like the. That sandlot for me, personally kind of portrays that. Like, the gravitational pull of baseball in a more authentic way than dreams does I again circle back like I. Just really feel like this movie is so ham handed and it's just. It just doesn't really you know. I think there was a couple of Nice moments, but again like Tristan says it feels like more of like a collection of moments than. Actual cohesive thing you know one way it does. I thought about this I. Love the Cornfield Baseball Park I loved it and I ought about it. I was fifteen years old when I saw this movie. And at that time, anything could be a baseball field and the idea that I could clear it a cornfield. It'd be my outfield fence was fantastic. I love the imagery of that and it. You know you're out in nature, great weather and everything. You're just taking it all in. I think I got fooled by that that that that great scene was what pulled into this movie, the acting to again the choices of actors. They're all great individuals. It's just I. Don't know about the casting choices. Feels like ninety five percent of what what appeals to people, but this movie is done by that field like I feel like the field is setup of the field propels like ninety five percent of the movie, and is like the heart of the moving, if if the premise alone doesn't exist I'm not sure that this is an interesting movie at all. All Right? Let's pause skier and gets. Trivia then when that's done will finish up our discussion of field of dreams. Trista trip. Have you got for us today l.? K. So. I'll ask a question related to Moonlight Graham who is mentioned this movie realplayer, who did in fact play a major league game, but never got an official trip to the plate. My question for three of you today is. Can you name the player who appeared in the most major league games without ever getting a trip to the plate? Now we're going to exclude the pitchers. Obviously pitchers. They were involved in the game. You know their own way, but among hitters which player appeared in the most major league games and never got a chance to bat. I think I know who it is because. He, probably will. He probably will is. Yeah I. I think I know it is and we'll. We'll do that a little bit later. finishing up on this discussion of the movie. Is there anything like I mean? Like the quotes that other than the obvious quote that that sticks with you the field I mean. It does not. There's nothing in the movie we were you laugh okay in the movie where you're cry, it's just kind of their. You know like it's just a movie. It's just it's kind of weird. It's hard to describe how I feel like kids have emotions better, so the kids in San Lot. They're funny. You can relate to them. The adults in this movie not so much. Is that fair? It's. A hundred there. There are a lot of people who did love this. WHO DID CRY Fortnight? I'll respect the fact that this probably does have an appeal to a lot of people I just. I've got my bias. I have a question for you guys that has come out of this. There is a there's a debate around how you talk about having. Playing playing catch, so do you guys play catcher havoc? Catch because at the end of this movie Kevin Costner's character I believe says he wants to have a catch with his dad. I! Would probably say have a catch. I'm not saying that that's right or wrong. I had never heard have a catch until like I got to college because I had grown up plane play, catch my entire life. I am more the play catch type two but I think I have said have catch occasionally. I said have a couch last week, because I did with the softball manager might teams were so desperate to get out there. We were wearing masks, but we actually had a catch for like an hour and I said. Do you do want to have a catch? So maybe it's different for us. claiming the proposal or the proposal of doing it as a catch and the activity of doing it all. Right I think they're both right. I think it's cool that major. League baseball before you know. The pandemic happened was planning on having a game in Iowa this year like I do think that that is a symbolically like having the crowds having players all go to Iowa in playing on like that field. I think that's awesome. It's an incredible. I really hope it does happen. In the future of Major. League baseball brings to. Twenty twenty one. If there's a you know. Once when things remotely close to normal again Other than that like it's for me the biggest thing that I take away from that movie is like the idea of building a baseball field and a cornfield like I remember plenty of times like as a kid growing up like driving on the highway and seeing empty fields and be like. Oh, you could build a baseball field. They're like that's the only thing that I personally have taken away. From this movie. Where the field is in dire of Iowa actually exists and I believe the people that own the land. turned into a bit of a money maker like they sell like. Yeah. Air So you can gotcha drive there. See the field actually play on the field for you know for money and so they make something out of it I hope that Yankees. The White Sox are supposed to have that game this August. I wish I initially viewed in two ways. I was like it's cool. The could play baseball game in Iowa. And that made up field, but also a little bit of a mind grab. Let's be honest so. I I just I'm swaying as we move off the movie to the point, where like everything in baseball seems like it's about money. It's about money grabs wearing the other sports. Maybe it is too, but we don't know about it, and like you never hear about like. Football's got its problems, but you never hear in the NBA. Hey or the NHL is the same as the NBA or the sports but MBA. You never hear about money. You know like it doesn't cause. There agreeing on everything they have their issues, but there's no money grabs, and at bothers me a little bit about baseball. Any final thoughts on field of dreams before we do other things you mentioned Moonlight Graham, who appeared in the game back in like nineteen o five six something like that never at Bat a lot of the fact that James Jones in his awesome vote voices in this movie. That's pretty cool I. Don't know I, don't I'm not a fan of the movie, but I hate to be negative as well so any final thoughts gentleman. I just think it's fine. People talk about this sports movie like it's one of the greatest. It should be in the Pantheon, or whatever and it's just like. It's I. Don't think it's like actively horrible, but I just. I just. I'm not horrible I. Just think it's fine. It's a competent movie like it's one of those like. It's one of those movies that like is on cable, and you just kind of keep it on in the background, or whatever, and like it doesn't really for me at least personally, it doesn't really move me either way. Movie that you were told from the start is the best baseball movie ever, yes? President that's accurate and we're told. This is the best movie. It's time to watch it and you watch it, and it's a good movie, but it's. GotTa run wash first time as a kid. Everyone was like this is the best baseball movie and then I watched it and I was like. That's it. That sums it up at some. You agree with all this. Have you seen this movie? I have not seen the movie I know the quotes bones wondering what you guys think about act like. Maiming the PODCAST, not actively horrible. I like it. We're not. We're marginally better than replacement level. Horrible. Of podcast now I do not want to be the field of dreams a podcast, I I want to do better than that so I understand the getting added. It is funny all. That's more for the other show I. Know only associated with a with Joe. Jackson batted left handed. I can't. Eric does not that right handed on the show period. No Absolutely not by way. I was going to mention this I think in every episode you June we should talk about. That's not baseball. You really should watch and I was reminded today on twitter, which trying to stay off of and I. Haven't read it a weeks. There's nothing can come from it, but the movie breaking away about the four. TEENAGERS CYCLING IN INDIANA I. Don't know if you've seen that. Movie but Dennis Quaid Senate and it is one of my favorite sports movies, ever we. We told you about slapshot last week and slapshot fun and and Gertie and lots of other things and Paul Newman is fantastic, but breaking away is a fantastic movie in a different way, so if you WanNa see something that makes you feel good, which village dreams is not for me. Breaking away is a fantastic movie late Seventies Indianapolis I. Think you'll really like. It does nothing to baseball, but I don't care I i. like all sports I'm well. I've been watching Belgium, soccer or German soccer. Sunday dinner. And, I'm enjoying visits sports. I don't want sports forced upon me. I want it done right I want baseball to figure this out, so let's Segue here into what is happening in the news and ask you briefly. Your thoughts as baseball writer on what is happening right now doesn't seem to be any discussions between the Union and the. Owners and that sands me. Your percent chance that we see baseball. This season would be what. I hesitate to put a percentage on it but I am not optimistic right now mostly because. When we talked last week, they were in a place where the. MLB have put put put us put an offer front and the players. Union. We're going to put in an offer and. We're still in the same places where last week nothing has changed. No, there's been no legitimate counteroffer to any of the offers. Both sides put put forth. Which says to me? Again, we talked about this last week on the show. Nobody's listening to each other. There's there's there is no communication between the two sides right now and again like this pandemic has has revealed the fault lines of a lot of places of a lot of things in this country and in baseball specifically. I think people run the game been talking for. Almost two years at this point, the degrading relationship between the Union and the League, and this has just accelerated that because they can't come to an agreement and so for me personally as a twenty five year old baseball fan, I really worry about the long term ramifications of what happens when you going entire summer without baseball, and you have an entire generation of not me like literally kids five fifth graders. Fourth Graders kindergarteners who have millions of things they can. They can do to occupy their time whether that's. IPAD Games fortnight. There's so many east sports twitch streaming. There's so many different options now that kids have. Why would they sit down and watch a baseball game especially? If they're going to be fighting over money like this, that is what really really concerns me in the big picture about baseball. Is that I? Don't know you know people talk about how baseball has has bounced back since the ninety four strike, has it? I'm not sure that it has I'm not sure that baseball is. Popular as it was in the ninety s in the same way, and for me as a twenty five year old I can say from my own personal experience. There's so much fewer baseball fans and the casual baseball. Fans are basketball fans. People are casually picking up the NBA and the NFL in a way that they don't anymore with baseball and so for me as someone who cares about baseball. This entire thing is incredibly concerning for me for the future of the game. tristen briefly we can get more into this on Monday if there's more news but as a longtime fantasy player, would it satiate you if there was a fifty game season? Would you want to play a fifty game season? No, not really I would play it just because it's something that will occupy the time service a distraction, but fifty is an awfully short amount it's. Honestly it's getting down towards the level of football with the random, not random. It'd be totally random. And like. I'd have to see how a playoff structure going to be built then. Are you going to just let all eighteen of the thirty teams? I want baseball I'll take anything I said on the show before I would take a five game season of that's all they're going. Give me as opposed to zero, but it's not enough. And June we would be remiss another. Discuss your recent excellent work at ESPN'S MLB coverage. The articles that you've written in the past week. Please discuss what you've done. And if anything what you have learned, it's so fits into what's happening in our country right now. Yeah, so. I wrote a story this week which you can. Twitter account at Lee. It's about it's about the relationship between Lukas, G, Lido and Tim Anderson the white sox and something that struck me last year. I remember talking to Lucas I think it was it was May. And it was it was the Tim Anderson Baffler had happened and I remember talking to Lucas specifically and being kind of taken aback by how how much lucas clearly cared about him, and how he felt like he was one of the most. Misunderstood people in baseball and so when Luke is posted, he became one of the first baseball players, and when the first white baseball players to. Black lives matter support message. In the days following the death of George Floyd. And then Tim Anderson has been one of the most outspoken players and baseball of course last couple of years. He posted a couple of photos from the streets of Chicago. With graffiti and the protest aftermath there and so I was kinda struck to see kind of how kind of how those two had clearly discussed race, and so I basically just ask the two of them what their relationship was like how they developed, and they basically just talked about how. Tim Is someone who is in the White Sox clubhouse in his unabashedly himself so. Lucas comes from Los Angeles. He went to an elite private school. Harvard Westlake Tim is from Tuscaloosa Alabama. They have completely different backgrounds and the thing that really struck me about. Their friendship. was that despite having completely different backgrounds? They. Both approach their relationship with each other with a desire to understand each other and where they came from. Who they are and so. Basically you know these these are two people from completely different financial situations growing up just completely different living situations growing up, and they've gone to a place of understanding, because they are genuinely curious about each other as people and one of the things that really struck me that I kind of got from reporting of the story was that. Basically because Tim is T., tim is willing to himself. In kind of break the unwritten rules in many in many ways he's broken this awkwardness barrier within the white sox clubhouse. It is allowed them to frankly discuss race in their backgrounds and their different cultural backgrounds. The baseball clubhouse is one of the most diverse places. Workplaces in America. In my opinion, you know you have people from Latin. America people from Asia Yeah people from all over the United States. White and black, and so there is a lot of culture clashing that often happens within the baseball clubhouse, and it was very inspiring just to hear how Tim's presence and how how Lucas kind of being an ally for Tim has opened up that clubhouse to have these frank discussions about race in the thing that really struck me that Tim said, and I thought was really just good advice for whether it's baseball, players or people who are trying to have these difficult conversations right now. All you need to ask. Just ask the questions and genuinely curious. And and listen listen genuinely listen to what these people are. Black Americans are saying about their experience living in the United States, and that is the first step towards making any sort of change, and so you know when Lucas posted that black lives matter message. You guys understand the culture of baseball. You people don't really speak out about things for white baseball player to go out there and post. A black lives matter message before anyone else was doing before the brands were doing it. It's he was putting himself out there and so. He! He had gone to a point where he Luke Luke AC- Leo had felt as if you know his relationship with his black friends, including Tim and others that would that matter more than then any sort of brand damage that could possibly have gone before posting about black lives matter kind of became a mainstream message in the last couple of. Last couple of days and so I think what their story just generally says is. Be Willing, and being curious to listen and ask genuine insightful questions a with people who come from different backgrounds. And that will serve as a first step towards hopefully moving towards a better future in one form or another. Yeah. I think you said a great great job by generally really enjoy your work are for them. I'll be coverage nine Dreyer's time here. Let's answer. Trivia question that will let you go Tristan. What was the question again? Okay, so the question in the Moonlight Graham fame was. Can you name the hitter? The offensive player non pitcher who played the most major league games without ever getting time at Bat and I'll note that there were twenty six pitchers all time who have played more games than this particular guy. Sixteen in our active relief pitchers. He played one hundred and five games, and he never got a chance at-bat. No. I don't even know where to are here. You. Know where you don't know. And Eric probably knows well. I mean because I I. I'm a big Fan. Nineteen seventy baseball I've read books about this I read. What's his name Dan? Epstein writes excellent books about the nineteen seventies out. There's one on my shelf now. Big Hair and plastic grass I've read dynastic bombastic fantastic from Jason Turbo a book about the early Seventies Oakland a's So yes, I know the answer to this question Tristan. It's her Washington. The pinch runner for. For Charlie Finley's as in the early seventies, who never actually got a chance to bat but was attract star I think in college and wasn't even an effective base dealer, which is the funniest part is because whenever he pinch ran for somebody. The other team knew what was going to happen. He was going to try and take off and he didn't have very good instincts at stealing. He was just faster and. And everybody else, so I think he was like twenty nine out of like forty five steals. It wasn't even an effective base base-stealer, but I imagine her washing his answer the question her Boston and is the correct answer the question he was thirty one for forty eight in his career, two years for the seventy, four and seventy, five Oakland A.'s Yeah, well done, I said it would be the one you know or. Or you don't know you want to put them in as a pinch runner just to kind of leg out those extra base hits and score from first. That's great, but it shows that sprint speed alone doesn't drive your stolen base total. I couldn't winds up with how NFL team. Sometimes like get Olympic track stars to be punished Turner's here's Jeff with the Patriots and I. Don't think he'd be last the season so. There's been tracked stars who try to be wide receivers, the NFL and has it ever worked out? As there have actually not been that many major league players on the hitting side who played in games and didn't get an Bat, but I believe it was. The most was hypothesis head pass. I guess you'd pronounce that Mets Catcher. I don't know it and speaking of mets I just read the Jeff Pearlman, excellent book on the six mets and. Man What message were. Six minutes you think you know. Read this book I've been reading a lot actually spending time reading and catching up on things in the last couple of months I've enjoyed it anyway, Julie. You're doing a great job for you. Spins coverage. Really enjoy having you on our show to discuss not only movies, but other things as well, and you're very well spoken, so thank you so much, and we hope to get to talk to you next Thursday the movie, it'll be their own, which is a movie, I really like lots and I. Hope you get to see it next Thursday morning and you'll enjoy it as well. Guys thank you. Joe Head Pot hit hit. Pause had PA you pronounce the guy's name. I honestly have never heard of him. Kyle, I'm sure you've got some questions in here Let's get to. Buy I. WE'RE GONNA go a little fact checking here I mean if you can't Chuck Urban Dictionary. What can you trust? There's A. Definition an incorrect nonsensical description of tossing a ball between New People. Catch is not something you can have. It is something you do, so. It's sides in favor of tristen on that one. No, it actually says it should be doing. Which makes no sense? Do a catch. Come on, no. Potatoes. Oh. If only we could play catch right now. I am doing it again tomorrow. I'm off. I think we're playing softball July fourth weekend in our league I think they're gonNA start it up. I think we might have to wear masks, but yeah I think we're starting up in three or four weeks and. I'm in shape. I'm actually arguably the best shape I've been in in twenty years. I've lost weight. I feel Straw and that's your life story. You want to draft me her in your fantasy league because you know why we're gonNA. I'll bet this Drissa hopefully. They Start Major League Baseball July fourth weekend as well. How many players are going to say? They're in the best shape of the life, not not like normal like every other spring. Nobody's in the best date their life right now. No well, some are going to say oh. Yes, I kept I kept my fitness. You'll hear a couple of. Cases like that. No, I don't think it's going to be a big tunnel. Think that's good I mean. I was reading a story about the flyers hockey team and there's only two flyers right now. That are even skating. You know what I mean like you think. How hard is the play baseball? Okay? Play Baseball on case. Talking. I can't imagine I call. The the difficulty of doing two things at want that I'm not a multitasker. I can't physically do that. I am constantly impressed by hockey players. Yeah, you're not a multitasker where you're looking stuff up during the podcast. You're not hearing a word. I'm saying so we know that. Fired history I'm honestly I. Appreciate your honesty Kyle. Do we have a question here from twitter? By the way we're trying to do a show every Monday Thursday until they tell us to stop so pleased at some good questions, and if you don't want to talk about the twenty twenty season talk about twenty twenty one choice in his dynasty rankings coming out in the next two weeks I'll have on. On worth comprehensive, but coverage of the MLB draft which is next week I don't think anybody name would be draft next week's going to play Major League Baseball Twenty twenty, but in your dynasty leagues are GonNa be drafted in these guys, Torkelsson and the vanderbilt kids, so we're going to cover it and do our best to make you better readers, fantasy, op players, but. Anyway Coyote. I think that's well, said Michael Watson Overdo it the fifty sixty games of their tossing around right now would there be any point drafting and as in the first five of a standard redraft league. And I it really devalues the as is because I can't imagine they're gonNa let Joseph Berliner through seven innings for the first couple outings, and if you only have a fifty game season that that only leaves a Coupla outings, so is going to be all about offense in a shortened season. Well see this is the thing about a fifty game season and you know what bothers me. We were just talking about this that this sounds like what the owners are just going to push through, and that's what we're going to get. You could have a full spring training. In other words you could set up a year for fifty games of you know. Elect usual regular baseball, in which case Leonard does. Go seven innings I'm aid to see what the preseason structure is before. I could accurately answer this question, but I still think there's going to be a premium to be paid for aces. I'll probably personally try to fade them, but I'm not gonNa tell you right now. That Gary Cole- not belong I five rounds. That's a ridiculous value. If he's the first pick of the sixth round I'm sorry. I would say the top. Tan ACIS to go where they go. Maybe a little bit later like I would have taken Garrett Cole Freddy Freeman three months ago to today I might not free GonNa play every day. Right is to put up the numbers. But yeah hitters! To get ready for the season a lot more quickly than the pictures will, so if if it's going to be one hundred ten or one hundred fourteen games like the players propose it's going to be an incredibly brief spring training paid the pitchers. If it's fifty games, we could have a month long spring training or warm up period, and then everything's normal and I draft the pictures. I just don't know. Yeah I should wait until we have actual word on what is going to happen before we start making proclamations, but I think you can make the case that pitchers are valued, but they'll divide them to. Next stop yes. Max, up his journey wants to know what the Weirdest Stadium Food that you've tried as an which is the weirdest you've liked. Has the answer right there? You know exactly what it is. You are in Seattle. Tristen. Tell us yeah I did eat the grasshoppers. The. My three other buddies and I go on the baseball trip every year. Pick a new stadium. We went to Seattle and we that we were trying to grasshoppers, and it ended up that only two of the four of us did. It were weather. Bacon and cheese while you ate it. No, they're seasoned with. Some sort of you know not pepper, but like some sort of sprinkled shaved seasoning and. They're just not good. They're kind of crunchy and dry. If you get the wrong one. They've got kind of like a gooey internal. I think eight three or four of them and I am done. I I don't take chances when I'm not at home I. Kyle might understand. I completely agree I wouldn't take chances if I am home. I I. Understand the circumstances which I retire grasshopper. So, I can. Say You, did it? It's a Seattle mayor. Hey good good for you. I I don't I. Just don't take chances with food. I haven't had before and I tend to stick to my old standbys when they're hotdogs, burgers and cheese steaks. Chikan grilled chicken when I'm away ballparks I don't take chances so, but that's two thirds of us on the show. Around Major League Baseball. There aren't an awful lot of weird choices that go allow I disagree. I think there are a lot of weird choices. Now Gimme, Gimme a feel them while they're Sushi at ballparks, I mean there's like. Weird, but there's there's there's never before being more culinary options at ballparks. The is now I'm not saying we're. What is we're to somehow? Grasshoppers is not weird so I. Don't WanNa I. Don't WanNa put a term on. This thing I would not eat Sushi at a Ballpark, but I would've I did try the grasshoppers. You Know it was something I decided I needed to do as a baseball Fan, knowing that that was and it's. What we need to do and I won't be able to need to do it. I won't be able to do it. then. Twenty twenty is I need to go to the valley, iron pigs, and he has three little sandwich, which is fork, Bacon and ham on a roll with barbecue sauce. It's my favorite Minor League ballpark Martin League Team Monitoring Food. The iron pigs do it right, and it's a shame to not gonNA. Get any baseball there this year. That's no major league baseball arguing over money money baseball's trouble trouble man and I will definitely patronize Lehigh valley and reading and Trenton and Lakewood and other Minor League ballparks in twenty, twenty, one when baseball returns because they need it. And I'm favored by the Good Minor League baseball I understand. You want to realign how it's done. Because they set up the minor league system fifty years ago and you WanNa make it so that maybe team has fewer. Miley expand by places, and after to modern stadiums and I don't know I the way. Minor Leaguers are being treated right now a disgrace, but yes. Anyway. Let's keep our jobs next question. There's gotTa longtime. Keep early. It's freezing all key practitioners this season, doing a one season redraft snake draft just against swapping and resuming all twenty twenty one as they would in a normal keeper league. Do you like that solution to the? Problem. Yeah. As long as everybody in the League is on the same page. Is a lot of scenarios that I would like. Dat One makes sense to me because we're going to run into this problem in our fantasy leagues keeper, League are Similar Leagues of do not only about this year about. The money the playoff spots. I, am not paying full price in my money. Leagues for one third of the season I'm just not going to do it I'll drop out. I. An keeper leaks in terms of player management. You know which if they play baseball? You add a year to their. What is it salaries? The you know? They played five years now. They've played six years. If they play Sean, doodles sits out. You don't out of your his it. That's the way I'm going to view. View my leagues, but ultimately what's most important is you have good commissioner who communicates with your league and you're all on the same page about what to do, and you discuss round advance to the season. Tristan you run more leagues I'm not sure I run any important leagues any assembly, but will that'll be taken care of easily, but in Your Dynasty League which you run. How're you guys handling this is there is everybody on the same ages as apathy dating play. There's a fifty game season. We actually have not gotten deep into the discussions, and that League in the longtime keeper League I have gotten a couple of questions about it and I have not thought far enough because we do a pricing system based on the performance players in season, so it's going to be kind of a catastrophe, frankly if it's a fifty game season, the math is going to be a mess, and that makes me like this solution in this question is that you just skip over the year or if it's a fifty game year, play it as a redraft, and then everything picks up exactly where it was next season in the one. One that I run the problem we're going to run into. And this is probably the case for a lot of dynasty dynasty keeper leagues. Is that the process for twenty twenty had already been underway when baseball paused, and if that is where your league was at, it gets barrier in terms of how to deal with that. We had somebody who kept Luis Severino in mind before the point that the final keepers were do any had him locked in? We had somebody ended up keeping Chris Sale. and Noah syndergaard the keeper deadline, and they are locked in. Did we just pause and then go into next year with a? Roster set were frozen at the beginning of this year. That's what I'd respond to this question with us. Are you GonNa? Let people resubmit keeper list. It's a very important answer and Eric. I think to your point you need to have leagues get to a unanimous opinion on these come up with a unanimous ruling on a set of rules for twenty twenty one or how you're going to do with twenty twenty when we get the final ruling. Fair enough. I like John. Watson off Tristan agrees fading, Lewis Sto, and or that John John. Gray sunny grays underrated as something Eric wrote Space Week. I don't think I was fading Castillo that much as I was praising gray. Morrow articles finally ended with Pittsburgh on Wednesday. The article that I wrote a week ago and then the Chris Archer news came out that Crisanto shouldn't have been drafted any fantasy leagues this year or beyond his career might be over. You have thrashed the guy with syndrome. Anyway back to Cincinnati was a bold statement. That Sonny Gray will be more viable steel and. And they're ADP is not all that close right now. So biscuit what I was trying to point out is is a huge value difference where steele might be going in the right spot, but maybe a little bit too high based on his finished last year. But why do people not believe in sunny gray with my bigger point Trista degrom, I'm looking at the ADP's using in this case. The NFC ones because I can split it by date. Lewis Casio's the number eleven pitcher, not not even necessarily just starting pitcher number eleven, pitcher and I assume that's going to be all starters. Sunny has twenty-ninth. Why. Why? Why? Why is that happening like? They had the same player Raider value last year, people not buying with sunny grade was selling. No they're not because the two years before it were a little bit rockier and I'm assuming that's exactly why it is I actually I. Don't really have any problem with the ADP sunny great, a calm atop thirty fantasy star by think is perfectly adequate. It's recognizing as the ability to repeat. he did great with the pitching coach worked with in college, being reunited with him was a big help. Eleventh overall for Luis Castillo is very generous and I'd be with you on fading him. If that's the price, see you and I just had a a different way of viewing player value for the upcoming season. It's a fair one you put more stock into. into past seasons than I do and I look at what Sunny Grad Sheet and twenty nineteen and say He was a different pitcher in new league with a new pitching coach in the National League. Why can't repeat that? You say I need to see it again? Because of the struggles he had as a Yankee which I think. Both sides are fair to this. Is that inaccurate trying you. You put more stock into past seasons than I do. Your Guy I'm not yeah, but I raised questions based upon a players past history, and we managed a grant that right, but it's going to cause me to do more research on the player to make a decision as to what part of his past is more relevant and to me. Grey's twenty nineteen was more important than what came before it but I think it will at the same time. Be Very difficult for him to repeat that. Kyle did I sum that up. Well in the difference in how we view things as an arbiter on this show, you understand what I'm saying is I. Don't care as much about three years through your averages as Trista doesn't think it's fair that both a right. Yeah I. Don't think there's any wrong way to do it. It's a personal preference kind of seniors more looking forward very stressed interviews. The past is important is predicting the future I think both are valid in the right answer is probably somewhere in the medical. I'll put out that you often will. When a player as one bad year you go back to the history. Why can't you do this? Because I. He's already proven. Who's who is somebody OUGHTA? Bad Twenty, nineteen, okay and. Yet no no I know what you're saying you're saying. Who Chris Davis. That doesn't work well the. Avis Yeah. Yeah when I look at the Oakland Chris Davis I say. Why can't he go back to the skills that he had in the past? If he's healthy, so yes, I, do look at, but I'm not looking at three or numbers on looking at skills that he did in the recent past, and the reason why he struggled this past season so I don't know if that's the same sunny gray, but yeah, I look at the past numbers. I almost never look at three your averages because I don't think there's anything relevant in averaging out. What Chris Davis of Oakland did twenty, nine, hundred, twenty, eighteen. I don't want to average them. I WANNA. Say Chris Davis didn't run twenty eighteen. He can do again. Saying I'm not averaging out the numbers I'm saying he's going to. You don't agree that I. Don't think it's you're leaning on. Three or averages is a concept too much I don't I actually. I don't even calculate them. I don't even calculate a three or average is I. Don't have a file. Three year average is anywhere okay. The concept of three year average is something that drives things like Marcel Projections, and for the most part my projections draw off the most recent three seasons, but that doesn't mean I use a straight average of the three years. But how could you possibly use three or avenues for solar? That was first year so. How can you possibly for Chris? Davis the A that we were just talking about. This is to my point you. You'll make the case that don't believe. The one year of greatness then could tell you and I are very pro hotel morte. One year we're. We're picking and choosing here. Well. I think we're both saying that. mortagne solar can't possibly do what they didn't twenty nineteen but I'm also saying I don't care what they didn't twenty eight. T, that's what I'm saying for. Both those players. They're twenty eight teams irrelevant to me because there are new and different players that made actionable changes to their approach and their batting ways. So how is twenty eighteen and the past before that relevant to either player I? Don't think it. Is that said I. Don't think they're going to repeat what they didn't twenty nineteen. In Two thousand twenty one, but I think they're that type of player now. The the issue, in Gray's case for repeatability, and to be clear, I have Castillo. Fortieth among starting pitchers I've gray twenty-seventh, and it took me that long to find it because my files, not working for some weird reason but gray. If you look at the fan graph stats, his curve and a slider were each worth more than ten runs above average. That's pretty exceptional. It's very difficult for a pitcher to get to pitches that grade that well. He's never done it any other time in his career, which means that he was effectively. Perfect or near it with the command of both pitches. We should view him at repeating a skeptical as well I would just be a little bit careful about him about him. Repeating the numbers verbatim. Okay, I think going to be very good and the improvements he made are repeatable, but I think the custodio skills are a little bit better here. I love Louis Castillo's change up. You know that. I I think this is a good conversation about how view things and I think we both can be right anyway, and we both do well in our leagues unbelieving at that that's for today. Show I. Want to thank everybody for listening to fantasy focus baseball. We're a twice a week. Show planned for Mondays. And Thursdays, but we'll see what happens in June, because nothing. Nothing's forever. We don't know, but we're going to talk baseball on this show. Every Thursday will have Julie back on next. Thursday, it'll be a league of their own as for this Monday I. Don't know. Maybe we'll have news to discuss. Maybe, we'll discuss the SAM's. Maybe we'll have a guest anyway. Thank you so much. Tristan Kakharov Kospi Awesome Julie. Please check out. June's excellent work is pins Allenby coverage time for me to go on a run. Genesis Duke and advocate. For today be safe kind, have an awesome weekend.

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Jason Vale

"<music> hi there welcome along to the run club of the podcast world. This is run part. I'm i'm jennifer o'connor and this is the place where hopefully you come to get motivated or feel inspired. So if you're running right now run port will be your companion nion and will encourage you to keep going and if you're listening while doing something else than the who pays that rump pod will not only get you to plan around later but you might even even be compelled to change your schedule in order to squeeze some pavement pounding in the thing is there are plenty of who don't want to run but perhaps our heads heads note in it. We all have those days is true so today i'm joined by a man who quite frankly is the best motivational health fitness miss the nutrition guru. I have ever met no joke. This man is trained trained with a ton of celebs. He's guided them through body transformations. He's also developed a reputation as king of juice the juice master he sold over five million bucks over one million apps. He's made a movie. He's opened a couple of health l. through treats along the way but above all that he is a runner jason vale. Thank you thank you very much is one hell of an intro that i'm montreal. I agree with entirely but now really thank. You know i'm so pleased because you've got place in spain haven't yeah i mean i live in between spain now and portugal with the retreats and the u._k. Which is where head offices so it between the three places essentially yet they see i'm sitting here looking at you and you are like a picture of hell skins skins. Gluing is a sparkling and clearly. I mean you work hard to look the way you do and running is a part of it wasn't interesting testing because you said you know you run have run the new york marathon and run the london marathon and i did the great north run every year for quite a few years that that that makes you a runner yeah but there is a covenant in this that i'm going to put in in the sense. I actually haven't run. Well hadn't run up until recently for about nine months i would say and i found spinning and i found you know the mini trampoline and i didn't run because i was getting lower back problems but i miss running. I love running the something about about running the you know really get with anything else. It's a form of escapism and all people to keep in shape or lose weight with so much more to it than that and so i want to get back into and i am so naive. This was a few weeks ago. Maybe three weeks ago only and i thought well. I'll tell you what i usually. I usually run ten k. That was my distance. I like ten k. but you have a memory of you used to do ten k. in timewise now. I've just turned fifty years ago. Maybe twenty five years ago. I would always run ten k. At thirteen point seven kilometers the piece of why thirteen point seven because i want watched the olympics where they do false walking you ever seen a false. That's that's amazing. There will probably walking point seven. That's the details. The average is thirteen point seven and i looked and i think i was running about twelve at the time when they are <hes> walking at thirteen point seven this. If you wanna run right now don't feel bad. It's alright are comfortable. You shouldn't feel bad in a minute because there were some people listening running going. I'm running eleven. What's wrong with that. I'm running the way the best way for me. Personally i was running at thirty point seven or go use that so you do ten k. and forty two minutes whatever it was and so then i had another memory when is another a decade went by and then you go a little bit slow obviously but then running thirteen then twelve point five so that was kind of like my last memory of running really so when i decide is going to ten k. about three weeks he also. Oh that won't be a problem because you pick up from ray last night. Yeah tell you now. There's a running muscle nose to in spew spew up and i was only running at twelve point five. I tried to relax. That's quite fast. Fast kind of comeback speed didn't stay there. Let me believing clear so to who cares like what's happened to me going from ten k to go. I'm going to five k. Amidst this is crazy. One and i started to chest is myself going what's happened to me. This is crazy and and so did five k. I stopped couple times. I was on the treadmill and jim so you can kind of off. Get off before it tells you press a button to continue you know and then you invite let me on health. I'm definitely doing ten k. before. I go on this podcast. I'm getting backup san k. and so yes. I'm gonna do ten canyon fifty minutes and i did that and expel amazing. Did it feel amazing while you were doing people find it. You know it's it's nice the first few miles your lights smiling and then as it gets hard. That's smile turns upside down. The other way round really say the beginning is the hottest because i haven't got momentum to the flow bound gonna. I'm gonna struggle and then music. It plays a huge part so all of a sudden on planning the newest sheeran album on getting involved in the and then music music be the food of oxygen play on because what you listen to makes it makes a huge difference to the wrong. I mean you do law fitness and people who use this healthy guy but it wasn't always the case it. Was it like twenty years ago you as always are we talking about the fruit psoriasis so skin disease where the skin tries to heal itself four times faster than than it should be doing a malfunction but was it really severe via. I ninety five percent coverage. So what did that stop doing. I mean it must. It's not what it does. It gets to you your confidence like you wouldn't believe it just you don't like a the big football president of football but of course you know when you then go into the xiao's where you put your shorts on and people elected legs and this that and because you just look kids come on due to the door on your skin gets and stuff like that and i was also very overweight also known as flaky flaky vale so she's always nice. Thank take a great catch because she's smoke forty sixty cigarettes a day so wreaked tobacco since i woke up as well which was fantastic. First thing i did was reach for cigarette first thing i did every morning before i did anything else now. Reach for their phone is the new addiction but i would. I would literally reach reciprocate the vice king back then. I thought if you're going to do it properly mess around. I'm i am. I was drinking a lot as well so i would walk down the street. So i stayed in a few squats. I grew up in peckham south east london on north peckham estate so it was it was pretty rough you know one apparent family essentially and <hes> brothers no sisters my mom and and so i a all the wrong things as badly as matic <hes> by easter walk down the street we drinking something called tenant super and special brew like from. Can you sign on your dolecek in my life now to where it was back then i'm i mean i can't all most recognize myself from from then but always in a very bad way healthwise when it wasn't one really just because there isn't one anybody you're listening now that suffering from overweight or any element or disease that's caused by what they put into the mouths primarily for the case <hes> the challenges addiction you say so i always we say to people who were you know. We're we're in a world of the state the obvious brigade so you know a lot of people would literally say to somebody. Will you know if you stop smoking. You're asking with improved well. Thank you sherlock frigging idea idea. What do you think i'm crazy but i do think you're crazy because when you're walking around with cigarettes in one park an anathema pumping the next then they go what are you doing. Why don't you just stop smoking. That's like saying to somebody who sinking in quicksand first of all saying to them. You're in quicksand as if they don't know so they know and then saying why don't you just get out that's it it's as crazy as that because addiction transcends and intelligence and logic so that's what people don't understand so we can know what to do. We don't do what we know and that's often because of addiction and there'd be people listening now so many times. They would've started something the night before. They've had enough if they've got crisp packets that they've just torn up. They've done this in the throat in their suggests it never ever again and they really mean it until the next day four o'clock in the afternoon when there's this little junky food terrorists that stall so happy because a lot of it is changing the habits are completely embedded like for instance you might be used to having having a step packer crystalline your commute the minute you've got to break. That habit is going. It's not going to happen the first day you decide. You've really got to work at it. Shirley liberate yourself then you haven't. I mean there's a psychology right so what you're trying to shift from. I wanted by contact the cart mentality see a constant never ending tantrum so so strong people food that because strongly with people hate being told what to do that the weaker will do all the easier so strong stronger will draw the harder you will find it because you're trying to use your own. Will this where people get it wrong. So therefore what you're saying is i want khan have it now. Strong will person don't tell me why can't have even to themselves i want to shift to i can't have it by don't wanted a mantra nothing like when i finally stopped smoking. I have no desire to smoke and i was forty sixty cigarettes a day. I can pick up a telephone without first light up a cigarette. I'm not oh using willpower everyday not to smoke. I have no desire to smoke so if you have no desire to do something it doesn't matter if you're strong with the weak willed 'cause you've no desire to do it. So what will you using non. Okay okay so by people because this happens to me. Sometimes i want to go for a run. I can't be bothered. Occasions is habit forming so what i would say about the run like the the endorphins the it releases and the head space that it gives you i mean this is what it does now gopher run today absolutely because now back so you sometimes you think should i run. Oh my muscles acl bit might thing. Maybe that's a sign say. Don't don't just push through a mess up especially. He's thought game forty or fifty years old because the same same things that you could do. We have to accept the findings halter except for the same things at the same speed. If you're someone like joe wicks and you're doing something like a hit training in your twenties. He's absolutely one hundred percent. I mean there's no way his knees are giving way. He's not doing that at the age of fifty. I play squash two hours. Every day in my twenties could play scores. Two acres is not even. I mean that your fitness necessarily changes your body changes and you have to adapt the muscles. A lot of people say the older you get the should put a little bit more focus on weight training just to strengthen your joints mini trampoline cleaning because it's also g. force exercise. I like mini trampoline because you every single muscle in the body swimming you work every single muscle in the body so swimming and things like that and yoga they all forms arms of weight training although people wouldn't really call them that but they are and resistance training now people are getting onto like santa monica where they do the rings and all that kind of stuff but running for me a bit like it just gives you something the i think adds some weights at some this but but if you'll run on those that are running now as the it gives you something this endorphin rushdie's head space that i don't think many things when you just go in your own space. I'm going for run. Always turn your notifications of don't necessarily track everything every two minutes or spreadsheets others. What if you know what twenty years ago people will still fit. They didn't have things around there hall. I started running if i went for i didn't take a food. I just went. I'd have to say right <music>. I'm i started running. When i was about twenty okay so twenty three years go and i just see i'm going for and i'll be back in half an irish and i'd have a war orch. That's just so. I knew how long i wouldn't even have that every time. I didn't even necessarily have music with me. I just go. He just thought about things and actually what would happen is. You'd go and you'd be stress store. You'd be panicked but something and when you had that running time he just thought about everything suddenly just like wait was official exercises the best stress reliever on they've done studies ladies with genuine antidepressants and exercise and i know that's easier said than done because if you are genuinely depressed so i'm not saying oh well. Why don't you just run. That's not how it works. Genuine depression obviously you. We need to be able to even be in a position where you're going to get to the gym or get there but if anybody does manage to go past that hurdle manages to spend fifteen minutes what what you feel so much and that's what you have to remember actually when you come back. You said you felt euphoric after your run yesterday and that is true. If you remember how you feel afterwards before you actually it will spur you on do that more. The more you use that particular muscle so i if most people relate to this if you are genuine jim goal runner consistently is that that you'll finish work on your time when you're tired you plug levels on the floor. That's how they are. You beat the traffic home. You do this these days along right then. You have a choice then you go jim o. Food food g._m._o. Food this debate in your head because you know if you go food job done it's food. It's telly or something is the evenings finish but then you'll also spend all evening going wish done run so i wish i don't run so if you if you make a habit forming as you said the jimbo food you say even if it's ten in minutes momentum ski because hope i think people relate to this some days. I've had the best running days of the had when i thought i was going to my worst ones i wonder what the best one ever. I finished in ten minutes so you can never tell and you hope race day. If you are doing things like the great north run which actually wanna come onto amanda holden minute. I listened to your last podcast with amanda. I i forgot all about it yeah. She's looking forward to this for those listening. I'm listening to your podcasts away in and then you start talking about my health health retreats in amanda was on it and this that and the other and then it was just made a pact with a jason to angela griffin to to run the great north run. Another thing is a few of us. I'm like wall doesn't forgot about it like i can barely run a baath right now. I haven't even done did yesterday. Goes share ten k. something something like. Are we doing it this year or not. Look in my diary so very much amount if you're listening muscle what are we doing. It is soon really like so soon. I know so your training at its peak heat. I mean there's a there's a heat wave in the u._k. You live in spain cooled there. Maybe as a great time to train actually trained in warm weather hera because then when it's cooler you will be flying. You say that because when i did what i was at the gym in spain recently and i am trying to get back into running on couldn't do the ten k. I was in air conditioned gym. Yesterday i felt flying so when you started running the when you start doing all your fitness from being this overweight guy with psoriasis who smoked and do you try. How did what did you start doing it. Did it meet you feel. When you first started next well. I was doing exercise before changed anything so i was still i taught jungle fitness aerobics impact on and slide jungle fitness jungle fitness back in the day jungle music what it was proper jungle music and you just went hell the other so on a sunday we would do four hours on a sunday and it's almost like an aroma thon is once you fill online the unitards. Oh oh don't wanna see that. Tell you that now anyone with a photo of that literally just about conceding the last in the shop which nobody wants an image of tell you now oh i i saw the dawn did not obviously do you dilute it. I loved every poverty but i would still go to mcdonalds. I was still going slush puppies. I'll still do this. I mean you know i was relatively relatively fit when i was about fourteen because i was a breakdown so so yes indeed homeboys and fly homeboys a fly goes. We were the fly boys where the rug the house yeah. You're cringing so it does matter. I used to bus sketchley near here in garden so we say bunk off school for a line out. Put the beat box down and use the bus break-dancing. Don't say tim westwood before he was on pirate radio. Thank you so hang on a break dancing jungle ruby skye in front of us who is in law football fan. Eh decided to quit all the unhealthy stuff well well because then i found is one of those is they kind of cross pas because then i found no i found smoking found this found everything else and then the excise went down a little bit and then it went back up again and so that was intimate gene automate so exercise the first thing i changed it was i think it's easier to change and i would always say that for most people out you can run people say oh you can't and this about what's going around at the moment. You can't outrun a hamburger right. Yeah people saying that right and you can't because what they're saying is excellence doesn't help you lose weight. Somebody scientist say this now and you're like well what kind of exercise and what they do is they show people that literally plod and they're saying oh well if you look at the calories they're burning. I don't believe in calories anyway. If people have to start somewhere though and they say walk before you can run military that expression and you might have to learn to do do that again at some point look at me. I didn't blindly just go. I'm going to do ten k. I thought it was but they're not to listen to my body and my and my breath and say you idiot vail. There's <music> everything you do have to build up to actually is it sensible because the worst thing you can do is push yourself and go too far too fast because you won't come back tomorrow. The worst unreal the dorms delayed onset muscle soreness is such a real thing and the it's not the the next hurts but the following day after that we always always if anyone ever thinks that you'd go to your home legs her account sit doing today it is you're right two days later. I like that feeling. I like it when you've done so much op works. Actually laughing hurts worked for forty years. You go show six pack. Oh i really don't i don't have a natural expect expect asshole. No no no. I'll go full legislative. I've never okay. We're gonna we're gonna chapter this night because jason is the juice master as well this is this is the type no i didn't get myself. I wanna be clear what which king of no no my friends call me. The juice massachusetts jason defense listening journey okay so jason. I mean you're amazing to you've come out with all these detox is and you know like plans. You can follow to to boost your health. Cleanse is your system and make yourself feel great after five days seven days three days however long each easter. I have actually done it. A few times do feel great. After seven days. I will see my eyes. Sparkle the end of seven days. Everything's in there. I know you've worked hard the nutritional value you know what's in there. You're not lacking in calories wiki there. Everything is great but there are all those people pull out to run on that because everyone knows i run a little okay soclean's to you're doing this juice tie. You can't run on that. You'll be feeling faint within a minute or two is rating truth in that okay. I tell you why there's i tell you well. Yes no actually depends right so you've got to be intelligent clearly so if somebody the first three days are withdrawal forget the word detox because it's not factually correct anyway but let's just say withdrawal so if you come off of cigarettes you're not detoxing from nicotine use the expression. You are withdrawing from a drug. That's the first three days are so hard actually 'cause your. I hope not everyone refined sugar. You got the caffeine everything else an on average seventy two hours so you go in a dip. Your many people have less energy. I i then you come out the other side so i would say during the first forty eight seventy two hours. This is the first thing you normally find but this intelligently. You might need more rest. You might need whatever the case is you. You just allowing this to happen. You allow the mind and body service then when you come out the other side on the juice. Why am i remember the first time i did seven days right in the books in seven days and i was writing that book at the time and i obviously test test everything that i do and i thought can you run on it. That's why would they six. I remember ten k which is my distance with the fastest ten k i've ever run in my life and i felt i could have just gone on and on and on genuinely and then i thought i wonder if you could run a marathon on on nothing but jews. I did the new york marathon on nothing but juice no so did the london marathon butts. I will little covenant here as well is that i didn't train. You just rocked his apple juices but it was the stupidest thing i've ever done. I'm not saying i'm not saying this like oh and i didn't train was so good and i had no problems with. I remember mile twenty of the new york marathon. I remember vividly. I remember doing the first half marathon in one thirty. Seven or whatever <hes> which i now know is ridiculous and stupid is another word to look at it when you when when i was doing it and then got some twenty on i remember these because you your name oviously on your top so that people want and they were going to go jade some way to go and i'm thinking getting around so positive in america and then a mile twenty i remember vividly these group of six skills and you're nearly there. I'd always so i was hurting so i couldn't even tell you how much hurting and i'd only ever run <hes> up until that point. I did in twelve months. I've never so well. How much further can it be turns out a long way so so then so then i walked over to these six girls and honesty said i said i'm nearly where where my nearly i've got another a six point two miles to go. I was that i was delivered. I remember we went to walk around new york afterwards and everything else i ah probably for another four days. It was that bad and the annoying the most probably the new york marathon for me was the time because i was just coming into the park at the end because you re run through new york you think you run through new york but you don't iron through the bronx all kinds of stuff in there and i was literally running at the end just trying to be looked at the time. I got four hours at least these. This is kind of star four hours ten seconds now. Tell you now i still to this day hurts me. I've done four hours one seconds second couple years ago. It's really annoying. I it's annoying. I remember years ago on the great north run. Lee mcqueen was the first of the apprentice as many as go back now but i was running a juice bar at the hotel where all these people in the public high work for the run and he went file legend so i didn't even no you read my books or any else. I'm not doing the cops stuff he said last night he said i saw you. Were here your election. Everybody's room to say you got choice tomorrow morning. Come to me that juice bar anyway. She went far collapsed so this is this is on the morning and he did his best time pure coincidence i'm sure but the point was was it sustainable able for him to run without cobb blowing the night before of course it was he was not near as heavy or as bloated this so i would say to people like what you try. If you do a seven day a decent seven day plan. I know tons out there. If you do a well thought through juice and blend plan with the right avocados and a nutrition so bananas nova cardozo your best friends on they are the single best portable foods implant even if you don't use there's no better exercise food on planet earth and a banana. They just doesn't exist people say well. I would eat healthy on the at the time or if somebody would invent a decent snack is quote who've been hannah. It's washing involve anybody can afford to buy one and it replaces the potassium it it so there's more protest immune avacado but if you have a nice combination of celery cucumber and got these things combined and you do a hydrogen or you do want beforehand and then people are obsessed with what you eat before a long run hold on let it rest and good done with the only country that does that you ask ethiopian through the best runners in the world that smash everywhere record they never he also questions no in a million years today all the app just go for a run us only offer overly fit of because i use the term as well foods hangover as well which could obviously you off a run. If you're suffering from food run this an iran next. I'll do ten k. In the morning or whatever the case is roy do spinning do on empty stomach. You need to make sure your stomach's empty. This k- i wake up i get water and i exercise wall is a hangover. Tell me what my food hangers like. Everybody knows alcohol hangover. It's very easy to see oviously and and and you don't function as well the next day with a food hangover. It's less your less able to see it because the vast majority of people suffer with it so therefore everybody thinks it's just normal so if you have i dunno you eat late and you have a load of carbohydrates as in not fruits and vegetables but you have things that hard for the body to digest just as it's about out to shut off. That's the problem with eating really late at night and i'm guilty of it to people listening to that. He must just the apples at night and i really don't know i feel food. Hang overs too because i forget all you you. Just you're tired or whatever it is rule the same but you feel it the next day so whether it's a load of white refined sugar fat salt whatever it is and the next day you feel it. You can feel it in your mouth. We all feel about on boxing day when you've been nothing but i tried to do so. The one thing you'll notice is day four day five. You forget to brush your teeth and that's when you know hang on. Why am i forgetting brush. My teeth because you mouth isn't gammy anymore. That's because you don't try to throw off some some of that rubbish and there's a place for louis human i i. I've changed my viewpoint one on this over the years and i think as you become all your your list idealistic because i don't wanna spend my life trying to extend my life to realize i miss my life in the process. You know i was we free dairy. Free sugar free gluten free personnel free in france and that is the is the problem. They all go hand in hand. Do you want me to all of a sudden you see. Some people are just say as soon as they start going. Oh light came on today. Oh shilon free of all these things for seven years right strict vegan as well and i love to but i was an airport one day in a cheese sandwich. You're staring at me and that's the way life is and what i found now. He's a rich tapestry of life. I'm not an ism of any kind. I really intrigued. See how many people listening to run port going. Oh yeah that's me and that's the challenge. If you are going to be that if i'm rules as well you might be listening to this now going on my role serving me because that's the thing that we rules every five years ago well. I've always been that always going to stay there but are they serving you anymore so therefore based on new information everything else. I don't care if you vegan vegetarian. There are so so many unhealthy vegan so unhealthy meters and so it goes on but if you look overall what is the percentage of of life is also present your vegetables. I'm getting was the prevention ventura good food. I just eat sensibly well and what i call a low h- h._i. Blow human intervention so my thing is this is how much is a human interfere with my you look at some pringles right. It's high intervention food. We know this h._r. So when she an apple you're gonna feel satisfied. Pringle you and that's because they've designed it that way. There's no point you're going to still do it then for but just be aware the once you pop you can't stop. They deliberately get to a bliss point yeah. It's true actually is sometimes. The diet can ruin the run because you're on. I was really looking forward to this run today. However i stupidly eight early are not just say you you sexist lies with treat. Sometimes you think and then at night and you go man blown conversation. It still relies can only do that very very strong long-term relationship if these but you spoil it. Does it affects everything that you do worse. I've never known anybody. Banana feel bloated. It doesn't happen so that's where people get confused yeah. Where is your favorite place to run but you know i like. I know it's weird electric right. Most people don't forget it. It's like oh nature's your best treadmill. Do you know why because as i run this. I like running at the same anybody getting in my way. I know the temperature not stopping our curb. I'm not doing intimate and running so to speak however diffa since i spent a lot more time in spain there's the boardwalk and of course you're running by by the ocean and so if you're up early enough before the hordes coming along that thing then he's quite nice along along there to say the least i used to love when i live near parks parks from my favorite i would say if i could choose any way above all else is a park and there's few and far between between inspiring stuff but parks and i think the oxygen that it gives you as well. I think that that's what they do. They help you out. The trees are helping you out. You're helping them out and everything's happy and uh-huh you still in birmingham round. Cannon hill park. I lived in peckinpah would still drive to dodge park round park. At the time i park running something something special about all. These parts are filled with runners as well now. Everyone wants to be run in the park and so it's i mean i wasn't there so you can just the treadmill are ganging career at hampshire. I'll have to be honest and how often know that you're back into it. How often will you run a week. I figured you know what i'm just set myself. Challenge now ten k. for ten so so it's a an anybody listen i often do often give myself challenges and ten k ten is i'm going to run ten k every ten days and so there are some brilliant elian challenges. Some people do this in january and they they have to run every day. Five k. every day for the whole of china and <hes> brilliant challenge would say it's. It's sometimes we do. The the challenges are retreats twenty-one challenge you so you do something consistently every day for twenty one days to try and form the habit wherever you can ten k. is quite a long way to go but the rules are have you might say to yourself. I'm going to do ten k. a day for twenty days or ten days but it doesn't matter how i do them just as long as you do so you can say can swim them. Which is the hardest. I can cycle them. Which which is the easiest. I can run them can answer them doesn't came dr doesn't count that's actually the easiest wheels for ten k. I could do whatever but you're not going to ask you. I always say to people especially when it comes to a marathon. I would say this to everybody so you can't do math in everybody can and that's been proved with people that literally can't walk and they've got bodysuits suit on to make you over the line and it six days later and there's still finish the marathe michael watson is is somebody who who really did the boxer and you just think this guy still still still did it but i was thinking about infant. Wanna run it. Why now in no one's really thought this but you want to see a city. Don't feel it's run a mountain. Don't get rucksack. Tuck sack have no intention of running it. I'm gonna walk in a while. I'm gonna do is. I'm going to an osteopathic launch in the back. I'm gonna have some water. I'm going to high five some people. I'm gonna walk around london. I'm going to walk around paris. I'm going to go round room and shot. The streets off is the only time that will ever happen so you think actually actually forget because it's so funny when the star of the marathon and go on your marks get set go as if it's a race to note yes. I'm just about to beat both error this is he's not a race. That's all this is like. Can i get round this thing and whatever time you get an. I do love this same but you know when you see signs up there and you can. I beat my time. Whatever but you and everybody radio susan beds yeah you have. When you're talking about going abroad i love the thought of exploring cities by running and i've often said to my husband. Remember wait for a lovely weekend. Who wouldn't be good if you could run and we could go and run around together and look gives me like i was gonna do on it years years ago. I've got time now. I got too many other projects but i was going to do something called four a._m. City so this is some some pick this up and they're probably do instagram saying yes. I started for him city. Yeah and it's where you arrive in any city and what you do during the week and weekend because people still get up during the week you go and run a city at three thirty. Well you come into work so early. I'm i'm joy the ice. I'm on the radio that time so those busy so if you go to this around the streets you can run across the bridges. You can do this and it's not that is is just just enough for e._m._c. You can see the sun come up certain times of the year and you can do like an hour and forty five four a._m. City and city like no one else in the city because everybody's burning joining the council at the other end. I'm with you now and if you don't quite like the idea of four am six a._m. Is just as good for the traffic start at six a._m. Four a._m. City is is what you're looking for a six a._m. City go because after i finish work at six thirty that's when i was six thirty in the morning the radio for arrive home seven miles when a marathon training i just run a longer route and then i go home. Get changed and then going to the next job. If you really into running i would run currently. I'm pretty running about four times a week training for anything in particular so go half marathon tuber the front might do great north run but those are those are a couple of months away so in the meantime. I just like to to just run marathon my best thirty-five life. I'm waiting. Why best time ever was one thirty seven once they fight was before a baby. I'm a i'm a more light one forty to one. That's far east now. The great north run is quite hilly. Yes i know so if we do do you will be my pacemaker because if i can keep if i can do sub two now i would think now you know. I'll get myself a bigger goal. I've got just you beat me. I think that's what i think. That's the key. Is this the challenge. This will be the challenge. It's not this year but the next year we're gonna try try and get integrated front and it's not always easy but if manned is doing it this year and was doing it. Look at the date but i was as long time for me to train for it. You can train for the london marathon on the new and do you know jason has been. It's been amazing chatting te- thank you so much for this day and there are people the are running right now any tips for them said monitor for the ranas cube goes look if you doing it to lose weight run on an empty stomach where possible first thing in the morning get up. Get out boom you could go. You probably have nothing like before. The war and you got plenty in the tank is what i would say. I would just say eat lie. That's all i would say and if i can just go tap into jungle angle jason fat for a moment at people that are new to running and are just thinking about starring. I and they're not quite sure and what would our like for unitards. They say to them is babysitting. I would just say look at my name. When i very first running was to do one k. and i thought if i could just do one care not to build up to that and then when you when you get the reward and then you do to k. and then you go up and then in the end you get that muscle is form really quickly the dangerous though the older you get i would say this. Just keep moving because you seize up look. If you're in your twenties and you don't run for four weeks. You can still running for weeks if you're in your fifties and you don't run for four weeks. You're going to be in trouble double again. So you need is consistently. I would say don't according to the two zero. Don't go beyond today's diet or anything else. You don't go beyond today's if you're bad for two days. You don't go <unk> beyond it because tom wolfe is important but also time on his more important looks thank you jason. Fields are juice master. Thank you thank you so so much for coming on and being a member number of the ron paul drunk love. Thank you very much pleasure.

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"Hey Gang you know. We like to keep our podcast. Pg I blew it on this one guys. I'm sorry so. We wanted to warn you before you listened in case you're listening with your kids around the twenty minute mark. Angela goes off the rails. Well Hey wait a second. I just tell a story about an episode of fear factor. It's got some. There's no other way to tell it. There are some adults subject matter. You told how you needed to and you might WanNa you know. Put earmuffs on the kids at the twenty minute mark. Turn it down. Skip five minutes ahead. Whatever you need to do for the rest of you. Enjoy and sorry I'm Jenna Fischer and I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on the office together. And we're best friends and now we're doing the ultimate office rewatch podcast just for you. Each week we will break down and episode of the office and give exclusive behind the scene stories. That only two people who were there can tell you where the Office Ladies High Ange. Hey why are you looking at me like that because I some SCIATICA pain in my hip? Oh Lord is this how we're starting today? Mia All right. What else you got. Well I was trying to stretch it and you told me I had to sit down. You guys she was kicking her leg in the air. It was comfortable but without good. You think you can do that for forty five minutes. I think I can. Yeah okay go you go girl. I thought I kick my leg and do this podcast at the same time but Angela told me to sit down. Because I didn't say like that I was like A. You'RE GONNA hurt yourself be. I don't think concentrate. Why don't you kick your foot up like that all right? Well I might need to do it midway but let's get started. Okay Jenna when you do it. Midway. I'm GonNa Film You and I'm GonNa put it on office ladies. Ra Dot Com. All right. Today we are talking about the carpet new. It is season two episode fourteen written by Paul Lieber Stein Aka Toby and directed by Victor Nelli Junior. Yeah I'M GONNA to give you a summary. Do It in this episode. Someone leaves a gift on Michael's carpet. You could call it that in his office. It is soft you smelly. You'RE GONNA describe it is Brown gross but the question is who done it. Michael is determined to find out. Everyone's a suspect. He suspects everyone in the office to keep a close eye on the office. He takes over. Jim's desk which forces Jim to go work at an empty desk right next to Kelly and JIM quickly learns why. Kelly works in the back by herself. But the biggest surprise of this episode might be that you finally see Pam and Roy. Getting along. They've come back from vacation and they're all giggly there giggling. They've been in the POCONOS. Yeah which I gu gold. It's only about fifty one minutes from Scranton and is it snowy. It's snowy because this was January and here are the best activities. 'cause I went down the rabbit hole of the POCONOS now. I want to go to the poconos. It's beautiful in the winter here. The best activities to do in the Poconos all right one hour away from Scranton. Snow tubing skiing snowboarding. A casino snowmobile ice skating snowshoeing. There's a brewery a SPA. I Bet Roy went to the brewery. Yeah I mean I mean yeah. That's for sure they pretty much did that. In the Casino. Jim Asked Pam if she did a lot of skiing and she says not really necessarily a little a little. Are you ready for some fast facts? I am and then at some point. You'll have to let me know with your SCIATICA and all of that business. Yeah I do have a gift for you you do. Yes and I want to share it with you right here with all of our office ladies listeners. Because y'all been listening. Oh my gosh who am I? I should tell you my sister. Janet from Texas has been here for a week and so I just said. Y'All been listening. Yeah when you get together you get all southern very southern so anyway you guys will get it. You'll be in on the joke and that's why I want to give it to you. Like during podcast. Do you want to give it to me right now before we start with fastback? I guess we should after I've said all that it's a big buildup really curious. Oh it's wrapped in bubble. Wrap just like Michael Foot from the injury. Look at you with your low office call. That's right you guys that have been listening. No geno hasn't really seen star wars and it's okay. I've come to terms with this you guys. I don't like scary movies right. This is an impasse in our friendship. What are we going to do so anyway? But you did say you love star wars sort of memorabilia. Layup for Halloween as a kid. Yeah right all right so remember my little baby iota now. My Crochet Baby. Yoda stop. Okay so I have to give a huge shout to Shay Crochet this he is one of my Insta- pal friends. His name on Instagram is what is it. It's four on sleek. Am I saying that right? I hope so but he heard how much you loved. Mine and Gina. Oh he made you one. Look at him baby. Yoda Oh my God trip. And it's crocheted by hand and look it's a Chris Ornament. Will you know? Two of my favorite things are Christmas decor and hand made Christmas stuff. Yes that and also baby. Things like up made into babies. I know right baby elephant. I was just watching this movie journey to A with my son and they have little biddy tiny elephants on the island. Elephants are shrunk down in their little unusual review. When they're tiny now you have a tiny bay nyla grave shoda and that's from Shea Jenna O. Shea thank you so much thank you so much. We'll have one. I have a surprise for you but I'm going to save it. Is that a scary movie. You're GonNa make me see I guy a severed head up from US famous story. Mus Scary movie now I got. You Freddy's glove. No I didn't. This is not a tangible item. That I'm GONNA hand you but it is a thing McKenna tell you okay. I can't wait. Okay let's start with fast fact number one. I declare with full authority bankruptcy. No we have reached full mindy. The carpet is when we reach full. Mindy is full. Mindy you guys. You're GONNA hear it. You know it. It's happening. I ask Sam to make a compilation of all of the things that the character of Kelly says to Jim back in the annex to prove that we have hit full mindy so first of all the hair is transformed to hair is pretty much down. Just a tiny clip. But it's fashionable the outfit. Super Pink Fluffy skirt all of it pink lipstick. She sits on her desk. She puts her feet up. She's like I mean come on. She also talks about beyond say. This is a big thing. She talks about the color pink. She crushes on Ryan and at the end she breaks here. It is in its glory. The Full Mindy Hewitt. I'm serious. 'cause doors will not shut beyond say the color. The person hotdogs basically anything that is awesome. Oh my God he. He is so cute which you talked to him for me and see if he likes me. Oh please Jim Please please Jim. Please please please. He's so cute. I like him so much. I would do it but I'm too shy please. Jim Please please please. Who Lease Jim Please please? They go home man in poor. Jim Separate we'll get to that but come on beyond say there's a lot of mindy here. Yes I think this is it now. We're GONNA track and see if she stays full mindy. Don't worry we're not done tracking this in case you were worried. Oh Yeah I mean if you know next episode she has a Bun. We're going to let you know I'm pretty sure in casino night. She gets extensions like suddenly that we never speak of her character. Never speaks those. But she's got this gorgeous long hair in casino night so we'll we'll track down alright fastback number two. We have a big guest star. Ken Howard shows up as ED truck. Now this is the only episode where we see this character but we refer to him a lot. He was the boss of the office before Michael and Michael worked under him when he was a salesman. Ken Howard is a famous character actor in Hollywood. First of all he's six feet. Six inches tall. Is that insane? He's so tall. You notice in the scene that he does Steve that he's like kind of towering over Steve. He's a very large person so ken played basketball in school. And he was offered a number of scholarships but he turned them all down in favor of pursuing an acting career and he started his career in the theatre. Angela of the Essa Acta. Why would you studied theater classes to Jenna? You're like Angela. This thing called Theater Theater Acta I mean you know. I'm kind of a fancy theater person. Well you know. I didn't meet Ken or seen with him but a bond was felt. Did you study like dialects in your acting theater school? I see what you're doing there was a date. You know what I see what you're doing. You're digging all right. Well he won a Tony Award. He appeared in over one hundred movies and television series during his forty seven year career. Unfortunately Ken passed away in Two Thousand Sixteen. But he left behind this huge legacy. You know he was even the president of the screen actors Guild Union. Yes for years so he is guys just a an icon of the entertainment industry and we were so lucky to have him for just this one scene. Oh it was huge. We were thrilled thrilled. So Angela fastback number three is my surprise to you. Oh okay are you ready for it? I don't know I watched. Game of Thrones. That's right what episode the first two and a half episodes. Did you really yeah? I couldn't turn it off to like you. I have a lot of thoughts. Do you want my thoughts. Yes okay so first of all episode. One of game of Thrones Okay. Very Horror Movie Angela. The white walkers and like dismembered bodies love that I know I was like. Why didn't she tell me about this part that I'm in? I knew about the White Walkers Geno we called my Cat Otter the White Walker. I didn't what that meant. I don't know what that means is. Because he was so old twenty two years old and he barely had any further left and he blinked and we call them the Walker. Well I liked the opening. Then we cut to the the credit sequence which is going over this map of land names of lands and I was just like. Oh this is the part. I don't WANNA learn. That part is long and just get past it. Also a seasons change in the topography changes those images change but anyway just skip over it then I want to say there's a lot of brother sister. Love listen in the beginning a lot in the beginning and I think that Kinda tapers off a little bit okay. I do not listen. There's some messed up stuff okay. Well I'm liking. The is that the stark family. Yes Lord Stark. Yes and his family. I'm digging on them. Oh okay. I'm hating the Queen and her brother. Oh Yeah No ooh the lancasters. Ooh The lancasters is that their name. Okay but here's my big observation. Okay and I want you to help me out here. This is fantasy right. This is not based on anything. Amo thrones is just fantasy okay. Here's my beef okay. You're only two episodes in go on two and a half. Here's my team. That's why I want you to speak to this for me okay. Why can't the women do more than so and Mary? Oh they do. They're going to do a lot. I'm just saying that like you take the wonder woman thing right and it's fantasy and so it's about like a bad ass island of Women Warriors Because we can make up anything we want. It's not based in any real RI- period. So why does fantasy as a genre in general seem to put men and women in such traditional roles? Basically especially for game of thrones. I mean you guys out there that have watched it now. This is kind of a subtle hint. But she's not going to get it so you know just ignore ignore. The women pretty much ended up burning it all so the crowd. They are literally like they. Serve it up lady. Don't you worry all right? They're gonNA dish it out. I really hope that that girl the girl who loves the sword play and that's an area. Oh Yeah let me trust me okay. Hurry areas going to do are is going to be okay. Aria has a list. I'm not even going to get into it. Ooh Wait wait that she has a list. You don't want to be on her. You know honey you don't Wanna be on this list. Ooh Okay. I can't wait for Arias list. Oh It's good okay. I want to say one last thing and we can cut this out if this goes on too long. I want to say one last thing. Winter is coming. We get it. It's coming guys we've been taught I mean. How many times per episode did they need to say winter's coming and also this winter it's like I feel like they have the wrong name for it? It doesn't sound like a winter's coming. It sounds like an avalanche is coming to bury you for seven years in cold. It's an avalanche of dead walking people. Okay I know coming. That's what's coming. The white walkers so the white walkers come with winter but the white walkers aren't affected by Winter Jenna. I'm not going to get in. I Not GonNa get into me saying is. Winter is coming a layered metaphor. Okay I like a cold okay. Okay all right well good in the decider a semi saying it right the rockies. Yeah and Carl Drago. Yeah is this name Carl. No it's CAL cal. I love the thought that the guy that speaks. No English and a shirtless on a horse was named Carl. Did Collegiate Carl. They're going to make happy. Pair like Rodney off in the sunset. Carl I was like Carl. Hey all the advice first and last name all the time I have noticed that in two and a half episodes he has only said the word no three times because he yet curl can't speak English Jenna. Okay they setting. That was I I gave in I it I watched it. I'm a little bit hooked. Okay good you'll love all the white walker stuff. Okay I now I guess have to watch. What's the edge edge the edge? Have you ever seen the edge? You already know this but you've never seen A. How many different ways do you want me to tell you? I haven't seen it? You know about the bear. How do you know about the? I've seen trailers I've seen you know what all I needed to see. Was a man like getting attacked by a Baronet Mike. I'm out also. So the renowned was not for you. GotTa Me Award winning fo the Revenue Hill another great survivalist film. Survival has no. I saw a trailer in. What's his name Leo? Dicaprio is getting mauled by a bear. Pass hard pass all right. Well you know I like quotes from things and I really appreciate it. This quote from game of thrones that we're still talking about it go the man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Oh Yeah I liked that. And he made a son cut off that guy's head no. He made him watch as he cut off the head will eventually he makes them cut off. Someone's head while spoiler. A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOSE. Their heads just heard life back then. Okay fantasy land there. You go guys. That was my fastback fact number three. I promise after this break we will begin talking about the office again. Specifically the carpet we will break down episode for Ya. I think Dwight would love. Game of thrones. Oh Yeah Oh yeah I think any would have watched it. You guys would have spoken to one another in doth rocky. Oh for sure. We'll be like our code language. You have a somewhat south rocky in relationship a bit of a cow. Kalisa thing you mean Karl all right. Let's go to break. Guess what I have in my life. Now thanks to hellofresh. I think you have probably less stress. Why have less stress but I can now make without looking at the directions? What Ginger Pineapple Rice and let me just tell you this little side dish? Men's Bruce's up any meal. I used to just make rice right. Rage some rice on the side but then I got one of these hellofresh meals and the side dish. 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And when you're ready to launch us the offer code office ladies to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain that's squarespace dot com slash office. Ladies Offer Code Office ladies. Okay we're back from break. We start this episode with a Cold Open. Pam is on vacation yes. Ryan is at the reception desk and Tim keeps glancing up at Ryan. He's again looking at and Ryan has that great talking head worries like Jim keeps looking over resumption. But it's not as creepy as the way. Michael is looking at them. Yes exactly okay. So the episode starts and Pam is back from vacation. She's happy she's upfront reception. Michael Watson and calls or spam stor. Yeah he hasn't done this. Bitten awhile where he takes her name and smashes it with other things and she's like let me guess how you got that Pam Spam and Hamster Spinster. And then as he walks off he goes. I am Becali you guys for your young people he's pretending to be Jeff sparkly from fast times at Ridgemont high. Yeah that's dated reference that is dated Reference Michael Office. What happens Jenna? There's something very smelly on the carpet in his office. What I love about this. We don't ever show you too much of it. You see a little bit on the carpet. Though in what you see is foul. Yeah it is so gross. It's pretty awful. And He makes a bunch of people. Come into the office to see what it is. We have fan question from David. Griffiths and Haley Karuk and many others they wanted to know. Was there anything in the office that made it actually smell so that we were having authentic reactions? No that is just Good acton right acting as I watch this. I was so impressive. I was impressed. I actually texted Brian and I was like. I want you to go back and rewatch the carpet. When you get a whiff of whatever it is it made me laugh so hard he did such a great job and Michael has aligned. You guys I feel like is sort of my vernacular like the way I would talk. He says there is a stake in there. That is how you would describe. There's a stink. Y'All and I love creeds line a lot of fans this out someone making soup somebody making soup so my sister. Janet was visiting and watch this episode with me. She made me screen-grabbed villas face reaction to increase says somebody making soup seriously. It is hilarious. It's three minutes ten seconds. Somebody making soup look at villas face next. We have Michael's talking head where he's talking about. Fear factor and he has to leave and then for the rest of the episode. Were clearing out his office. I did a deep dive on. Fear factor why. Jenna why did I do a deep dive? I don't know this started to happen to us where something's mentioned in an episode and then we spend hours watching clips or researching things websites. My Gosh. It was like you're watching. All the videos of the hooters birthdays. Yeah I watch these. Fear factor clips. You guys. It was like okay eat. This dried horse rectum. I'm not kidding. Yeah I'm not kidding. Our intestine or something and then I looked up why it got cancelled okay. It's so gross. What happened. I don't even think we can see it here what happened. They cancelled because of an incident. Yes and they didn't air it but it's why it got cancelled and Joe. Rogan is talked about. It's so gross. Why okay you had two choices. This episode is called the hee-haw episode. You could drink donkey P. R. Donkey Semen. That is horrible. That is horrible. Did they do it? They did oh they did it and I said as he started drinking vomited back in his own. Oh God it's horrible. Oh my God it's horrible. This was how how did this get. I mean who was like. Yeah that's a great idea. Let's also how did they get the donkey? Ges IS MY FIRST THOUGHT. Job was bad. Why how No no no. No I don't think so. No not happening next up in the episode. Wow sorry did everyone do it all right just like what happens if you don't do it. You're out I don't know like I know they're they you know there's the contest and if you do it ultimately whatever all the challenges are. I don't know how people get picked but whoever does the challenge if they don't do it there out if it's a crazy show crazy all right. I am looking in the Booth where Salmon Cody. You're sitting at seems save. Ruined their day. You guys I just like this was such a big deal for Michael to like. Be like this. Is My fear factor audition tape. I was like Oh yeah. What was that show again? I just started looking it up. That was like one of the first things that came up. Anyway you're welcome. Where are we so next up? Jim Enters he asked about Pam's vacation. He is so excited that she's back at the reception desk. But then we reveal that Roy and Darryl are also upstairs and that Roy is they're cleaning out Michael's Office. They're going to replace the carpet. Basically and Pam in Roy or clearly on good terms they're like giggly their Gigli and Roy's like engaging with her. You know what I mean like looks over and mouths. The word help you know. Because he's got to go do this gross job and she laughs and so they're being. Kinda flirty and sweet and Jim clocks right away. We had a fan question from Jamie Boggs. Why on Earth are the Warehouse Guys? Changing the carpet. How is that in their job description? I kind of agree but it makes sense to me. I feel like Michael makes people do things outside of their job description all the time and so we kind of had to do this too just as a writing convention. We needed a reason for Roy to be upstairs for the whole episode. We kind of need him to change the carpet but a lot of people ask. Did they really ripped up and replaced the carpet will they did really rip it up but I don't think they really replaced it. I think they just put it back down again in the end. Yeah I think there was like a top carpet. They pulled up. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So but they did I mean they really did dismantle the office in the middle of this shooting. Yes in all of Michael's talking heads take place in the conference room. All of stuff is piled behind him. Yes that's sort of a new spot where we see. Michael that was question two from Alexandra. What is the room? Michael has his talking heads in while his carpet is being cleaned. It's the conference room. I was curious to and so is zoomed in on the scene. Where Michael is talking and I realized it was the conference room because the painting is hanging on the wall behind him. Yeah it was a painting that was always in the conference room. I felt like that was a nice little touch to let the audience where he was at one point and actually falls down. I noticed that hanging around the blooper that was not intended but it was a great just like kind of reminder where he was so next up. Michael takes over. Jim's desk forcing Jim into the annex. He's GonNa sit next to Kelly. She explains that. Toby used to sit there but he had to move. Due to an allergy to the desk to the allergy was to the desk. I'm pretty sure all those deaths are the same desk. But Toby just had a specific allergy to that one so then we have. Michael in the bullpen. And he's chatting with Dwight. They're talking about the old days they start talking about. Ed Truck and you see that great glass back photo and the mullet haircut. Yeah also at five minutes twelve seconds. Dwight is so happy that Michael is going to be sitting next to him. He is just so thrilled. And I watched the deleted scenes for this episode. And there's a really cute talking head. Were Dwight as like. This is just a gift of the woman dating might say. It's a gift from God but I don't know about that and it cuts to me but there are some great deleted scenes for this episode if you have the DVD's and I have a talking head. Kevin has a really funny one. There's a deleted scene. You guys were. Jim is looking at the hotel. Where Pam and Roy stayed in the poconos. Oh golly little depressing I know. Kelly's what are you looking at? There's also a deleted scene where he's eating alone in his car. Oh yeah because he can't find anywhere to eat exactly exactly but there is some like really sweet sort of Angela. Little nods to that relationship in the deleted scenes and also during this whole sorta Dwight Michael Moment. We learn that. Dwight is sitting. Where Todd Packer used to sit and Michael is sitting in his old desk. Yes Ed truck would have been in his office so my close having low bit of like reliving the glory days of when he was out on the floor salesman. Yes I think we have some real Stanley Sas Code Stanley SAS. Yes at seven minutes one second Michael Bug Stanley and Stanley is on the phone. And this is what Stanley says to him. I just loved Leslie David. Baker did such an amazing job. What is it that you need right now? That can't wait until I'm off the phone with a customer Stanley Sas so Michael is now walking around the bullpen. And he's just really misbehaving. Yeah he's like acting out some way he thinks maybe they were all in on it but yet also I think he's trying to live as glory days he just punches the heck outta creed. Oh I loved creates reaction to that though. It was so earnest. One of the few times truly earnest. He's like out. Why did you hit me? Michael like it actually really hurt him and Michael as he punched him. Yell Charlie Horse. He's like a kid on the playground. Basically it's like a bad kid on the playground. But that's not a Charley horse punching. Someone isn't a Charley Horse. You know what a Charlie Horses? That's just when your muscles seizes up. Well yeah but I think what he's trying to say is like. How does the horseback to Apple? What stop you on the podcast? White House a horse by apple is that it's sort of like Charlie horse just hitting someone or is he hitting someone. Give Him a Charley Horse. What is House a Horse Bite? An apple come over here. I'll show you know. No no no no it. Is this Doodo person on a playground is called house? A Horse Biden Apple Apple initial you. I'm scared and what are you reaching for right? Now you're reaching for what are my hand that strong. It's not gonNA hurt that bad if Josh did it to you as strong. Okay what am I doing what am I Handing you slide over here? Slide over to what my chair. What are you touching? Okay back up. Don't do what are you doing that bad. How's The horse? What Oh that thing where? You're just like someone's knee the top of the that tool spots. It really hurt. That's I don't think that hurts. I think that's typically does horse bites and apple in my right say I've never heard House a Horse Biden Apple. What is going on St Louis? Saint Louis Louis match up where I was raised. Do we have horses that? Bite the Apple. I I don't know how to react to it saying I am seems to have promise made. Its Way to Wisconsin. Wisconsin has house a Horse Biden Apple. Hodie where are you from? Have you heard it? I'm from here but my grandma was from Kansas. My GRANDPA's from Tennessee. And I've never heard that. Thank you okay so Missouri. Kansas and Tennessee. We don't know this horse bites and apple business. We'll Texas on based on a poll of four people declared things about major regions of the United States based on a four person poll. I think that's kind of how polling is done though. Let's not go there. Okay Well Charlie. Ours is just when your muscle seizes up. I know that but I kind of felt like it was like one of those things where Michael Gets it alot wrong like. He's like Charlie horse but I was like. Oh did he mean house? A Horse Biden Apple. But probably not. Because it's too many words and he had to cross the whole room really quickly. Well Michael also gets Dwight to go over to accounting and dump their stuff all over the ground. We had a fan question from Alan Three. How many times did Stephen? Rain mess up the accounting area did they do it randomly or was it choreographed. Angela? Can you give us some insight? We did it a few times and every time Michael would say okay. Let's send up accounting old-fashioned raid cells on accounting. They would come over. They dump all of our stuff on the floor. I did love that. Angela glares at twilight. Don't even and so. He'd SORTA giggles and picks up one pencil entrusted on mine. But Yeah we did that a few times and they were just really truly just like Steven Reign. Were having fun because I got come over and mess with us and then so after you've shoot a scene like that and they mess up the area they say cut. Did the set decorators come over and reset everything they do because they want every the continuity demand yeah and you know obviously we would pick up stuff as well but sometimes we we would get in the way we would start to pick it up and they'd be like here let me set. That has that is their job to make sure it looks exactly like it did before and I might not get it right so I remember sometimes before scenes like this are script supervisor. Veda she is the person who was in charge of continuity on the show she would come over and take a picture of the desk area as a reference point so they could match it each time yes and then after it got all messed up than Veda would come over with her computer and she'd be like okay so this is exactly where the cup was and this is where this was and everything and they would reset the whole thing tomatoes picture and the mess it up again. Yes Veda was amazing and she was so sweet and kind and soft spoken and sometimes she would just walk up to and be like Angela in on the second line in the scene you switched your coffee. Mug from your left hand to your right hand put. Oh my God did I. I didn't even realize yes so you have to do that every time now. I remember that at eight minutes fifty five seconds. I'm calling this the catch of the day. What is it? It is by bureau if you freeze and zoom in on Angeles computer you can see a post it note. That says quote Angela. Can I have five dollars? Petty cash buys more Jelly beans. I'll give you back in a changed thing. I'm Pam catch of the day. It's fantastic. I love that. I think I really wrote that. Post it note. You probably did. You probably pass it to me in the background because we were bored and I stuck it there so then. Michael has a talking head about former manager. Ed Truck and this has one of my favorite Michael quotes. I told myself if I was ever manager people would laugh when they saw me coming and applaud when I walked away mission accomplished way to go. I just want to call out one scene. You guys. It's I know we're jumping around a little bit. It's one I absolutely love at nine minutes. Fifty five seconds. It made me laugh so hard when Dwight is trying to be the one hundred seventh caller. Yes to win a DVD box set of Jeff Throw Tall yes from rock one. Oh seven and he just keeps calling and Michael's pained expression and then dwight trying to sneak the call just all of it just cracked me up. One of the fun dynamics about the Michael and Dwight relationship is that it gives Stephen Opportunity to play the straight man and he's very funny straight man and so a lot of time sees the funny guy and the rest of us are the straight man to Steve. But I love this dynamic shift that happens with Michael. Dwight seen I do too. I want you to know I did a little bit of a deep dive for rock one zero seven. I knew you would. I almost did but you know what I did. Instead why I listened to death row tall. Oh there you go. Download the greatest hits and listen to it and my daughter is Bo was like what is that well. They currently run contests via their freeloaders club. And you can sign up with your email at rock one. Oh seven dot com and they give away quote dozens of prizes each month. Here's a list of things you can win. Ipads waterpark tickets. Concert tickets gas and grocery gifts and snow to passes. Maybe for the POCONOS. Maybe those are great gifts though. I knows we'll go rhino seven. It seems like instead of doing these live contests on the air where you have to call in like Dwight. Did you sign up with your email and you're automatically entered so just giving a plug for that giveaway rock one. Oh seven way to go. I have ten minutes. Forty four seconds. Okay Pam and Roy or flirting at reception and Jim. Watching her in the kitchen. He tries to annex but he sees Kelly then he goes to the bathroom with his coffee mug. Yes how trapped he is one way? It's Pam Roy the other way it's Kelly. Chatty chatty chatty so he just walks in the bathroom with his coffee. Mug On yeah and later he can't eat in the lunch room because Pam sitting in there with Roy. This leads to the deleted senior talking about him eating alone in his car. Yeah Poor Guys. Poor gem poor gem so then at eleven minutes seven seconds. Michael goes back to accounting. And he's like hey guys and I'm really snarky. This is like bury Angela. Martin snarky moment. I'm like we haven't finished getting things in order from your last visit. And he's like I'm just walking around and I go. Were you have so ticked off your so mad well. This is what my goal gets. This big idea to host a sales contest will listen because he says we're all they're working for the weekend but you know what he's working for the week that's what working for the week. He's working for the week and he wants to sales contest now and the prize is a one hundred dollars bill. Not only he opens his wallet and the only as eighty three dollars wage before we get into the sales competition. I do have some journal entries from this. When do you want them on now? Now lay us. I say now now not let us ACI. Here's my journal entry for the carpet. I was really excited. I was like I wrote this on January. Twenty six two thousand six. We got great news. Were coming back for season three. Is this episode where we found out. Yes Oh my gosh. So we were so excited all of us. I don't know if you can tell in watching the episode but we just found out. We got another a job for another year. That is such a fast fact. Angela right there. Oh well I liked your game with routes vest back but there is a fast fact also. I said that we're just so excited. We're really proud of the show. Were so excited to get a third year. I said this week also we had a photographer from NBC. Taking official photos for the website for Valentine's Day. I remember those photo. These are sort of some iconic photos that are out there on the Internet of like Steve. Holding up a heart and Kate flannery and you and me and Phyllis all surrounding him. Yeah so there's some Great Valentine shot there's one of like Dwight Ni- side by side of what I did some photos with David Denman as Roy. So some PAM and Roy Valentine's shots as well and I also wrote. This was the first time the supporting cast were included in one of these big photo shoots and we were all so excited. I remember that because we weren't series regular the last time we didn't but al right were and we got to be in the pictures and I said of course I had the biggest zits since I've had since high school. Yeah that always happens. They probably Photoshop. I hope they'll photoshop. Like I said I know anyway. Those are Oh and then I wrote and this is before you know. Obviously we ever knew we'd do this. Podcast we ever knew that we'd be tracking the Mindy of it all and this is what I wrote in two thousand six. Okay if you're a Kelly fan you will love this episode and Mindy who plays. Kelly does a great job. Hey even you knew. Even specialists happening with the character of Kelly carpet. Two thousand six meet new that Kelly was. Maybe Kelly was maybe mindy all right. Let's take a break. We'll be back in a SEC. Healthy PLANT BASED NONTOXIC CLEANING PRODUCTS WORK. And the good ones are actually more enjoyable to us. But where do you start in? Who Do you trust? That's where growth collaborative comes in? Growth collaborative is the online marketplace. That delivers all natural home. Beauty and personal care products directly to you. We've talked about them before guys We Love Them. I use method. I love using method. They have Mrs Myers. I love Mrs Myers. Actually the dish so I like the handsome to get the Lemon Hanso. Also seventh generation love seventh generation. 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I love this. You know I just. I love free stuff. I love it when like there's a bunch of stuff like that in a box Mike Anyway okay. Anyone who's gone to your instagram knows this Angela. You loved on box. I do you guys get really excited. I do as well go to growth dot co slash office ladies to get this exclusive cleaning offer Grove Dot Co Slash Office Ladies Ra so back to the episode. I have a continuity catch okay at twelve minutes forty three seconds Roy and Darryl are removing Michael's carpet okay. They've got. This rolled up carpet on their shoulders and make fun of his dancing but then at thirteen twelve seconds. There's a shot of them through the blinds in Michael's office and they're having beers and they're kind of sleeping. They're sleeping on the rolled-up carpet that they just removed. They're using it as a headdress. Yeah will there taty catch. Well I unless is that the new carpet. They haven't put down yet. I don't know but there is a whole deleted scene of just and Roy just being idiots in that room. There's a whole scene where they are drinking beers and they have to like rubber balls and they're bouncing them against the wall like they've got a game going. Yeah so there there. Were things cut out of this episode of them messing around in there. Well I suppose it could be the carpet. They have an installed yet. Maybe maybe Jonah at thirteen minutes fifty six seconds I declare Michael Sass Michael Saf. Let's hear it well. Pam says stopping. The sales contest isn't fair. I guess we should say Michael. Gets upset and he stops his sales contest. No one can win eighty three dollars anymore. He's just being a brat. But Michael gives it right back to PAM. Oh Yeah Yeah. I didn't write down what he said. But you can look it up at thirteen minutes six seconds if you want. That sort of takes a window ties. I realize I was looking at my sheet. I was like wow. That was an incomplete. I did not complete that question of my home. Well I will say this. My sister and I laughed actually. She's a schoolteacher. She teaches pre K. And at fourteen minutes twenty six seconds Michael Puts the whole office in time out. Oh Yes oh yes anyway. Okay so then. We have the scene in the kitchen with Jim. Ryan and Jim Asks Ryan what he thinks of Kelly. He's trying to help Kelly out. Coyotes begged him. Will this also just shows where he's at in his day because at first he doesn't want to help her he's like I'm not getting the middle of those two. And then by the end of the day he was like fine. I'll be your go between. Because he doesn't have his buddy doesn't pam to like help the day pass. Well we had a fan question. Mattie W Adrian both asked whose idea was it for Kelly to have a crush on Ryan. What do you think Ange was mindy? So I don't know I was GONNA texter. But she had the Oscars she was presenting. I didn't WANNA bugger. Yeah we were. We were prepping. This episode the weekend of Oscars Weekend. Mindy was a presenter. And can we talk for one second? About how amazing. She looked in her dress. She looked amazing. I actually did text her and Bj the next day. And I was like you guys look so beautiful together. Yeah and she wrote back in the thank you. Well there you go. Kellyanne Ryan went to the Oscars together. Well there has been a very dear friend. Best friend best friend. There were a lot of friendships that came out of our show. There was our best friendship. There was their best. Friendship will all of the guys still play fantasy football together? That's all the guys. Yeah Year all right. So where are we at Jonah? So next Michael talks to creed about his fear of becoming ED truck. This scene is so funny. Creed made me laugh so hard in the scene. Yeah he's like Michael. You have a lot more to be worried about than that. He's like oh great. Thanks create I guess being buried alive why am I even talking to you? And then we go outside. We meet at truck and this scene. It broke my heart because in the scene Ed says Michael. Why can't your workers your workers your family be your family and your friends be your friends and you can see they hold on. Michael's face and you can see that the reason why is because he doesn't have friends and family. He needs his workers to be all three things. He doesn't have those compartments in his life. He doesn't and it breaks your heart. It breaks your heart for him. Oh well speaking of heartbreak seventeen minutes eight seconds. So this is like cut in between michaels talking head. Jim is in the kitchen which is kind of looks like. Jim Hung Out in the kitchen all day. He spent a lot of time in there. Not only that guys but if you look at this episode. John didn't have very many lines. His this was not a tough like line. Count for him as far as memory work. All of his stuff was reacting for the most part in this so but anyway during Michael's talking head we see. Jim is in the kitchen and he tries to wave goodbye. Pam Pam doesn't see it just leaves and it's like the the last just like wind out of his sails for the day she kind of leaves early. She's got a big puffy coat on and everyone else is still working. But she sneaks out Yeah and what does he do after that? He calls Brenda God. It's so desperate booze cruise the Coralee as on a and asks her on a date and Kelly killing Mendis reactions Kelly to this phone call. Where so fantastic so great. He calls an answer on a date and then he's like and you can. Just you know I got your number from the company directory and I guess you could get my number from the company said directory. Oh what are you doing? Check your email because I just emailed you. Okay hope to hear from you okay. Yeah and Kelly's like did you. Just ask a girl out over voicemail. He's like Yup Michael's talking head in this episode. He has a huge talking head that I love and I wrote it all down here. It is last week. I would have given a kidney to anyone in the office I would have reached right to my stomach and pulled it out for them but now no. I don't have a relationship with these people that I thought I did. I hope they ask so. They can hear me say. Oh no I only give my organs to my real friends. Go Get yourself a monkey kidney. He's so mad he is so hurt. T feel so betrayed. He would have he really would have given them one of his organs. You know he would have. Yeah you would have now. It's only going to give you a monkey kidney. Poor Michael Moore Michael and then at eighteen minutes twenty seconds. Guess who calls Todd Packer? Todd Packer did you get that package. I left for Ya. He's like what package package anyway. See a package is like Jimmy in the thing. The thing in your office and Michael's delighted What a funny prank. Someone loves me. WanNa do jokes they WANNA poop on my floor. So funny when packer does it. It's a hilarious funny prank. Know what packer does it? He says at nineteen minutes thirteen seconds. It was done out of love like just like I thought I thought what he thought is not what he thought. I do think he's so relieved that it was no one in the office. Well everything is bright again right. His universe makes sense again. These this is my family. They wouldn't do that. It's just crazy. Todd packer everything's okay. Well then can we talk about the sweetest of sweet moments. Yes I did write in my journal. I said guys. I don't WanNa give anything away. But this has one of the sweetest endings of an episode yet. So this whole episode. We've given you know indication. That Pam is clocking Jim in any way in any way but Jim walks to his desk. He sees the little message light flashing and he plays his messages and PAM has left him. Seven voicemails all about her day and clearly. She's missing him missing interacting with him. Yeah and you see him kind of walked to his car as these messages play and his face. He's so happy. Yeah and everything is right in his world again and kind of everything is right in our world again too because I think as an audience member it's funny. I forgot about the voicemail messages when I was watching this. Yeah and I was frustrated with Pam. I was like what is wrong with you. This is your friend. Why are you being so coy? I skied a little and then like say hi to the guy. I wasn't upset with Pam because I feel like she's the Sa- so complicated for her. I mean I'm sure there's hills and valleys of her wanting to invest in Roy and what they've built together and see it through and then there's all these overwhelming feelings of like but I don't think he's the right person but we've been together so long it's and then when she sees Jim she's holding up a mirror to herself but you're telling me she didn't miss him on the vacation. Yes but admitting to missing him is admitting to this emotional affair and she's not there yet. She's not there yet. But these messages meant the world to me as viewer. When I was watching it yes I was like yes. Thank you thank you and also guys once again. I feel like Michael. Jim had parallel storyline Were they sort of lose the thing they love which is for Michael? The acceptance of the office friends for Jim it's Pam But then in the end it's all okay. It's going to be okay. Yeah no off. That's the carpet carpet. Everybody I have a question I wanNA throw it out there. What do we need to start a second podcast? Where I really watch. Game of thrones and we with me Yeah with office ladies do game of thrones. Oh my Gosh I would love that so much I mean di- Anyone WanNa hear about anyone WanNa hear me listen to give although there might be some die. Hard game of thrones fan. So it'd be like no you guys are GonNa you're GonNa ruin it next week. 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BEST OF Bumper to Bumper Monday, May 18: Jordan Flu Game, Paul Blume, Jonny Athletic

Dan Barreiro

42:11 min | 2 months ago

BEST OF Bumper to Bumper Monday, May 18: Jordan Flu Game, Paul Blume, Jonny Athletic

"Welcome to the best of bumper-to-bumper podcast. I'm Justin Guard? This is the best of bumper to bumper on Monday may eighteenth. If you're looking for the entire show podcast, it's available on this very same channel. Hope he had a great weekend interesting show today we believe a lot of last dance documentary. Talk has parts nine and ten aired on Sunday. Evening Johnny, athletics going to talk about that will also open the show with that in just. Just a minute and Paul Bloom Fox nine joins to give us the latest from Albany. Minnesota as a bar and restaurant owner was about to open to the public today until the attorney general, and some others stepped in blew me as we call him in a minute, but we started the show on Monday talking last dance documentary and Michael Jordan I. Am delighted as I. as I mentioned we are indeed your pick your poison leader. Because in the wake of parts, nine and ten of the last dance. Much conversation having to do with the. Famous Jordan well up. Until now it's been called the flu game. And from this point forward, it might well be called the food poisoning game although I'm assuming somebody's come up with a a name. That's got a better ring to it that depending on which conspiracy theory you want to believe, and of course it was game five of the ninety seven finals I believe yes, if I'm not mistaken in which Michael Basically acted by the end of the game as if he was dead, but still had a mythic performance was literally carried off the floor by Scottie. Pippin for late time out. and. The, Bulls won that game. They went on to win. That NBA Finals Against the Utah Jazz as well. and. We learned from Michael Last night, and from his hand. Guess you could say athletic trainer. Guy Tim Grover Tim Grover that. He was hungry late was Michael. And we couldn't. It's hard to believe by the way that room service would not open for Michael Jordan. I'm a little skeptical of that, but okay. Maybe that was true at Salt Lake. Maybe they got rules in Salt Lake about that. In any case, the claim is if you missed it, they. Ordered out for a pizza. They found the one place that could that was opened. If on the one place that was open. Five like a gang of delivery, people apparently showed up trying to look into the room, and they deliver the pizza, and as as it was explained by Michael. Michael is the only one who ate any of it. Yeah, no, I guess everyone else was either afraid. Eat some or say asked Michael Watson the whole pizza. Michael let them have the whole. Pizza is my favorite tweet off that last night with somebody said when Michael said I ate the pizza. No one else ate. The pizza ate the whole pizza. Yeah, all of us now can finally relate to Michael Jordan. It's the only time any of us have ever been able to relate to them eating entire pizza by ourselves. Grover says that he immediately had a bad feeling about the pizza that could be. The whole thing is fish. It's it could be convenient. Because did he say it? Really then, or is he saying it now? Bottom line is he gets sick as a dog at at least according to the story. And it has prompted, and then he follows up with a mythic one of the mythic performances. Healthy or unhealthy? I mean it added another layer to it. I I think I was at that Game I. Think we've talked about that before. That did add another layer to it. There's no question about it, but it was. It was a ridiculous clutch performance by Jay, again. and. It's led to its two thoughts for me I mean one. Is that like everything else? This new information. has become very polarizing. To the extent that now people are saying. Oh. Food poisoning. Well that's not as mythic as if what I thought. It was before the flu. And I'm kind of scratching my head on that one because. To me a little bit of a distinction without a difference and in fact. I would argue if you really are ratching and throwing up on the bowl. As much as he claimed, he was curled up in the fetal position. At some juncture in Jordan bathroom by the way did he had the piano that era a different year. He had the piano in his room. I think it was I think it was the other. Ninety eight second may have been both I'm shocked. Actually given how much he threw up, I wouldn't want what if he throws up again ruins the piano, but in any case I digress. That's become the new battle. People other people getting defensive about will throwing actually a lot worse as if Michael Needs added defense to somehow keep his legendary status intact, but that's what it's turned into. What's more mythic? Overcoming the flu. And presumably I know temperature, one, hundred, eight, whatever or a stomach flu, or I should say in this case food poisoning. As opposed to an illness. and. I would call it. If you're wrenching to that degree in your dehydrated to that degree, it's a distinction a difference. Here's the other thing that's coming to my head that I need help from you on in the audience on as well. Do we have what what would be classified. As the most mythic Minnesota sports performance under duress. Whether it is. Mental or physical? Bad Flu. Bad. Again Pizza Bad pepperoni pizza. By the way they didn't really say what the what was on. What's happening questions about that whole thing, but I know you think Jordan did it to himself well, we know first of all. Can we prove that we can't rule it out I grant you. That is a guy who achieved everything. And all he had were challenges conquer. Yeah, why not boss here in Salt Lake? There's nothing to do. He can't find a restaurant who knows? Do we have one well. Here's the problem. I couldn't. I even sent out feelers to some local Minnesota sports historians yeah, I. Have No idea I couldn't come up with it, and I didn't I. Didn't I'll admit I didn't look hard but I I couldn't. Off the top of my head. I know there has to be some, but then again. The game also has to be. Significant if you overcome the flu or one hundred five temperature to help. A team when your team went in the regular season, I'm not sure that's going to be all that interesting to me. How do we have any here's? Here's the thing fatal flaw. Fatal flaw for us is. We don't have a lot of championship. We don't vote. We got a COP also the wall. was there anything from the twins? I don't know, but the one I'm. Jana US throw up the night before the game. I've never asked him that question. What about Frankie sweet music. SOCK! No, did he have to play? Despite wearing like some sort of open, he pitch into the tenth inning despite an open wound I think he would have told us what what I think though is what I think immediately. In terms of physical harass. Yes, what did in new, ORLEANS? Now basically breaking his ankle, we saw the picture a couple of like a week later he sent the picture where his whole leg is purple basically from my ankle all the way up, yeah! But we we lost that. Nelson played before twelve men cross body. Your options are limited unless we want to go back to the Minneapolis. Lakers Yeah Guess Ing George. Mike and played with a tummy ache a couple of times and still won titles. There might be a couple of those stories. What about Courtney James Having to perform after writing the greatest paper on PMS? That was ever written in San Antonio. He was lot basically locked into his room to finish that paper. And then he followed that up with the victory was that that would have been the? UCLA that's right. Yeah, you're right after the Clemson after the Clemson game that Bobby Jackson one fourth grade games. There's no doubt about that didn't happen, but it was great game. So answer your question. I don't have one off the top of my head. Well Eric Harris had got through the elite eighty at a separate a shoulder. Yeah, that might be that. We can at least throw out ideas. Because none. Came to my head immediately, believe me as a as an ink stain rich. We loved milk those stories, and if I had one like that, I would've I know I would have milked at I. Forget I've forgotten a lot more than I remember about what I've written and I've told you this several times. You think it's humble bragging, it's not I. Forget which Games on in which I'm not in part of the reason. I don't assume at certain games is because I don't want to act as if I was there when I wasn't. And then you remind me well. No, you were at that game. It's okay you can. You can actually recollect if you possibly can so I I don't know. I mean we're at disadvantages of the all the disadvantages are fairly obvious. We've never had a run like that. Our in our winter sports pro sports. We haven't even come close to having a run like that. The Vikings have never had a run like that. They've never won it but I. I dare say. If you win and NFL title which we did under Bud Grant. Maybe there's a story back there. Although it goes back so far probably wouldn't matter to people. And regular season I'm sure there several because everybody has to play hurt to a certain extent or sick. To a to a certain extent, but I'm hoping there's a hidden gem that I've either forgotten or never knew about that. We can at least discuss eighty seven. Ninety one twins nothing. As you say nothing comes quickly to my mind indicating that we rose above. Great Illness bhubaneshwar plague. Bubonic plague the night, right? He goes and makes that great catch against the plexiglas. I. I don't think we have many of those. I know the year that the links beat. INDIANA. When my hit that shot in game three in Indiana I know that Whelan's Anka was basically dead that whole time. Yes, that's been brought up the all saying that whole time. And and how about? How did she come back from injury? The final forty four. Run Right, let me she broke her wrist. I WANNA say or them and missed the last seven or eight. Seven seed, but still got to host because they were hosting region, they were under seated at seven, because wayland missed the last month or two months of the season and came back. They weren't even sure she was going to be back for the for the NC double, A. Tournament scored thirty. Two I think against Ucla on the first downs good and then went to the final four. Two Thousand Four I I'm curious I it's some some some interesting suggestions are coming in. which we will at least consider as I, said, Bradshaw Brian inbox is booth. B O, O, T H at. K. F. A. N.. Dot Com. And we'll give you as I said. The guest lineup will give you some thoughts also regarding the now end of the last dance. There are no more parts that we're aware of right I. mean there's there's nothing? There's nothing on the cutting room floor. They say we get. We're GONNA milk some more out of this because we've had such good numbers in such good reaction to it. I do know there's that show. It's called like details or whatever that's on ESPN, plus that's more about the ninety eight season, but in terms of the Jordan stuff I think that's done. Percy Harvard Migraines. Don't thing for you. That's every game apparently almost to that extent. Could you say that that in of itself is heroic? Although it didn't lead us anywhere from a championship standpoint. emailer Christopher isn't. Playing for a no excuse me Christopher. Christopher Matthews got two names. Here isn't playing for Minnesota Sports Franchise. Under duress enough read. Very, well played more MJ talk coming up in just a little bit with Jani athletic and throughout the rest of the week. We've had a lot of good last dance documentary guests on the last month or so you can find all of those on the best of podcast, but Paul Bloom. Fox Nine reached out today because he was on his way to stearns. Stearns county to Albany Minnesota to chronicle. What is the topic in the News World Today? The A bar and restaurant owner in Albany, that was basically going to try to open up today, and had a crowd of hundreds in mainstream, Albany ready to come into his restaurant. Here's our Guy Paul. Bloom box nine with the latest. ARE YOU STILL DATELINE ALBANY MINNESOTA? I am. I. Am sitting across the street from Shady's hometown tavern, which still remains the doors shut in terms of going inside, but still a pretty good crowd. It's almost turned into a little bit of a I. Hate to say it, but of make America great again rally both on the sidewalk and the park right across the street, but you're right lead story tonight on a day. Where more of Minnesota opened up right? More retailers more malls you know businesses is back to normal. It's not normal, but you know a new normal in some places, but yeah today's headline The newspapers running with it at the top of their website this afternoon, but it's the business that wanted to open a, but couldn't That's topping. Uh, the news headlines Chris Chris Shift Ler. The owner he had made clear think over the weekend I'm opening I. Don't care what anybody says or does. He announced I? Think earlier today that he was not going to open update the listeners who may have been away from this story about the sequence that led to him reversing his field at least for now. Share so last week. as cited in the Attorney General's brief with the court actually spoke out the Fox nine. My colleague Sarah Dan. Also very frontal on facebook. Chris Shuffler the owner of of the spars, specifically shady's the owns half a dozen bars and restaurants Kinda through throughout stearns county. He said despite the fact, the governor has extended the bar and tavern shutdown through at least June first. He was going to open at noon today. So proud. The Senate I would say. A couple of hundred to three hundred people had gathered outside his doors and advance this noontime bar opening where people would get inside presumably to have a beer a burger you know whatever's on the menu and minutes before about eleven fifty five, he came out with a bullhorn and announce somewhat tearfully that he was not going to open his establishment, and what had happened over the weekend as the. The Attorney General Preemptively Keith. Ellison went to court filed suit, asking for an immediate injunction to stop him from opening his doors and early this morning. A judge here in stearns county shoot that injunction basically telling him you opened up your violating the law and you know presumably fines you know i. read the order. I don't WANNA say he risk jail, time or anything but he was risking a court order at this point. So the doors have to remain shot that will be an argument heard on this matter on May twenty seconds so in a few days year where the lawyers will hash it out, but for right now. He did have to keep his doors close, but what's happened is he's still allowed to serve you know. Walk up so the. Staff was circulating menus. If you could, he can sell off offside beer, so the crowds still you know com-. Continue to come throughout the afternoon. He's really making a few bucks a day. These also hawking some awesome shady's merchandise on the. Albany is what about eighty or ninety miles north west of the twin cities. Is that correct? Correct you know beyond Saint Cloud? If you're driving up I ninety four, and then worth pointing out the Attorney General Does Stearns County is one of your hot spots for Covid nineteen right now. A lot of the you know the the processing plants and Saint Cloud itself responsible for some of that type of situation, but the attorney general made clear in his court arguments that this is not a spot where you should be messing with covid nineteen, you might think Albany rural out of your way out of the woods or something or out way. Way Out State. About the attorney. General made it clear that this area needs to you know it's important spot to to govern by the governor's public health orders right now and Certainly a judge agreed this morning at least in some part wanting to hear oral arguments, but for now yes, shades remains closed population. I think about twenty seven, hundred as well so fairly small town I'm sure you've talked to a lot of people and and tried to garner reaction. How would you sum that up? What you what you heard from from the average rube? Average Rube on railroad avenue. Year Albanese mainsheet cute. Cute the small town. Minnesota I mean they're angry, right? These people are upset. several bar owners from across the region had kinda descended thinking. You know they follow this guy's Blueprin Chris Jeff lawyer and you know he's opening today. I've interviewed. One one gentleman who's got a a bar up in the brainard lakes area. He basically said Paul I have between Memorial Day and Labor Day to make bank. People came up for the fishing opener. brainers packed. I can't open my bar restaurant right now. It's not fair and when I hear about a lot on this main street. There's this idea, right? These are all mom and pop. Shops you know you hear the arguments about love. The big box stores have been opened throughout. You can go to target. You could go into menards you. Can you know go into Home Depot? The local flower shop have been closed up until the. Recent days there's frustration here and. You know we heard it and You know the the judge made his order today. The Attorney General has made clear. These orders are in place for a reason and He's going to He's going to enforce them, and he's going to go to court to make sure the the walls administration has some power with their pandemic orders right now. Is there any and I don't know if you're? You're if you're how wide scope you're. You're able to carve out where you are. But is there reason to believe that they're going to be other owners who are GonNa try to to test the governor on this or push the envelope or even tried to get into court to try to challenge some things whether they have much of a chance or not in the. One shot deal. Are we going to hear from others? Do you think? There are certainly others I don't have names and locations, but certainly in the the governor, the generals you know right through of their news news releases made it sound. There were other establishments that were trying at the gentleman I spoke to a big Al. from big house, and the brainard lakes area. Give a little shout out, but he was planning on Friday in advance of another brainard lakes course Memorial Day weekend long weekend, and he's just watching traffic. Oh, by so he was planning to open on side. Obviously June one has been the state. The walls administration has targeted hopefully to open, but certainly to get the proper protocols and safety guidelines in place for bars and restaurants, but shady's owner Chris. Schiffer says he's got it in place. He spread out his table. He's willing to let in a smaller crowd. He's got the hand sanitizer everywhere. He took his staff temperature today, anticipation of people coming inside because establishment and you know if you've seen the photos. I tweeted a couple of video clips from the scene. Scene Today. If you've seen the photos and the newspaper online I mean that crowd of two three hundred. You know did not care this morning about social distancing I saw maybe half a dozen masks in the group. These people want to be given their own choice and their choices to come to a bar today at least have a beer of Burger or be together, and you know that's what they want and they don't feel. They're getting that from their governor and this administration point were chatting with. Paul Bloom Fox nine, who is covering probably be the The a news topic, the announcement that the the apparent showdown in stearns, county. Ends with the bar owner. Chris Shift Ller, saying I'm not going to cross the courts. In this regard a we will not open as he had proclaimed. I believe he owns, doesn't he? Own like about six restaurants and bars. Is that correct half a dozen? He he he I. Don't think I don't know exactly as the specificity with which which ones he was going to open today, certainly was targeting his flagship this this his largest business again right on railroad, avenue. Downtown Albany. It's also kind of an event center, but worth pointing out here. He has a go fund me. that launched in. In recent days doubt them. He promised it was just for legal fees and anything above, and beyond that's raised beyond his legal fees would go to other small businesses in need, but it is now race two hundred thousand dollars in just a few days. That's some coin and I asked him you know in an interview today you know why not keep challenging it right, and and you know he. He talked about I have no idea if he. Knows what he's talking about. He you know He. He acknowledges he's not a lawyer, but he didn't WanNa lose everything right here right now. He had no idea You know what consequences if he did allow people in, but he now has some money to fight. This in court the arguments. Are you know coming in a few days? Orally that will here. We'll see what a judge eventually. Eventually does but obviously across the border in Wisconsin different circumstances, but that you know. Supreme Court throughout the governor's order at least some respect to see how far Chris wants to take this. He certainly out some funding. Now to do what's necessary, but again you're up against the June one deadline where perhaps the hours restaurants would open anyway, and is fight really going to last much longer? Than a week well as you said, and that's what's going to be interesting with the details because the governor I do think is getting increasingly ticklish situation here where he kind of needs to thread the needle and that to the extent that some of this frustration, especially as it applies to small businesses, and you could say even businesses that weren't restaurants before this recent dialing opera dialing down that we just was just announced by the by the governor late last week. I think a lot of people can relate to some of the frustration. What seemed to be some inconsistencies as pertains to the the mass, the targets of the World Cosco's the world home depots of the world allegedly with some important stuff. That's why they were still open essential stuff, but these huge stores still open and parking lots Paul when I see him jam, I mean just utterly jammed, and so if you're the average small business person, and now in this case restaurant obviously. I! Get some of the frustration I. think that's in part why the governor knows. You know they're gonNA have to come up with something here To to attempt to satisfy some of that, or at least a e, some of that frustration, that's out there as difficult a challenges is forever is in charge, but I what we'd open, what should we do in the name of safety? ETC, etc, the consistency issue I. Think is one that has been I. Think the toughest for him to to to battle. I would agree fully and again just anecdotally. The flower shop on this main Albany. To be closed when someone can walk into a home depot own, you know I've gone in to pick up some you know home improvement supplies, and then these stores are packed and you know there is a legitimate argument you know to be made here on Main Street I. Mean obviously I my God is the governor does not personally want to. You know Krosch small businesses now, but you're right. It is needle that has to be threat and the frustration is. is growing and you know I. got a sense of it today you know an hour and a half removed from the metro different you know population base, and I'm accustomed to circulating with you on a day to day basis, but yeah people were calling for at least them to make their own decisions. These stores you know no one's trying to say we don't. We can just go about our business returns to normal as is, people have business owners. How Protocols Willing! Stand outside for a few extra minutes. If you know you're going to limit the number of people inside I mean, there are some things that people are willing to do, it's just They want the opportunity given the chance to do. Those things did did did Chris Schiff Ler the owner of shady's. Acknowledge it all the fact that the numbers in a relatively like you say small community while Stearns County I guess more a little more widely. Are. from a per capita standpoint pretty high. was there any acknowledgement of all right that does make things in this particular spot potential, a little bit little more problematic to open. Yeah. I didn't specifically ask that question. I don't WanNa. Put words into his mouth, but I mean he's clearly he cares about his livelihood. You know. He says he can't survive without opening, you know, pick up. takeout orders just aren't cutting it. He has staff he wants to pay got emotional talking about his staff, but you know. I heard one of his his loyal customers in line as we were talking with them kind of mentioned that look. If anybody from a center here we can come in and have our meal or have. Have our beer and you know there is this element of the feeling of you know. This disease is targeting perhaps one segment of the relation, and you know if you can you know if there's an order that you know? The elderly can't come out to his bar restaurant. Certainly they're willing to hear that, but you know again this this desire to to Kinda WanNa. Do you know what people want to do and spend their money where they want to spend their money now today a little bit. Probably show right, you know he targeted. Noon opening on facebook he'd made A. You know gone on TV about it so this you know, grant you I came to a little bit of a dog and you know pony show ended up itself, but the heart of it. You know you had a business owner who wants to open who wants to pay staff who who wants to make rent? And and then he sees away again. He put into protocols. He says he's ready to go, and and he wants that opportunity For you and and I don't WanNa put you in position where you have to be the ultimate social distancing arbiter, but in this process of trying to figure calculate what should be open. What shouldn't what kind of prudent decisions Cana governor make sure to governor governor make etc etc.. Is the disdain. In general to this point is give me what the working theory is on the distinction between businesses, opening and restaurants. Is it that in a restaurant you're going to have people not moving in the same place for as long as it takes them to eat for example, and that's what makes even if there is the tables are spaced. That's what makes that different than saying. Rich you to open up, go ahead gallery. You want open up open up. And people can circulate through. Is that the distinction that has been drawn to this point? Do you think? That's a great point. I I saw Tom. Line my colleague. You know had a story last night. Where you know the time in a restaurant you know in terms of the flow, and how important that is, you know food processing food people in the food and the back in the kitchen is as they walked through the restaurant. What does that look like I? Certainly, it's not an area of expertise for myself. you know you get into gyms and then hair salons? Salons as well you know weird and don't forget the hairstylists today out here so It's just difficult. Obviously, the bore the closer people are together in a closed environment. I think the greater the risk and you know. The public health officials are setting these guidelines and protocols for a reason to be safe It's just I saw today clearly, and then the been come as a shock to me, but there are a lot of people frustrated and frankly. Frankly angry that this is the system they're they're. They're living in right now. They don't feel this. Diseases touch them specifically where there are better ways to fight it whatever the reason is. People are getting agitated. Of course it's it's. It's become politicals. Everything does here, so there's you know again. Kind of felt like at times you know almost like a trump rally outside thanks as always bloom I'm assuming it'll be all over the five o'clock six o'clock the. The seven o'clock the nine o'clock and ten o'clock right I I gotta believe. You're going to be front and center on all of those. This story will air throughout the Fox nine evening newscasts whether or not I remain live in Albany is the crowd dwindles we will see, but yes, the story will be all over Fox ninth and thanks for having me. Thanks for having to have the being on with us on short notice once again. We appreciate a man. Take care. Thank you today, be good. That's Paul Bloom Fox nine from Albany. Minnesota Bloom Fox nine always on the scene of the big stories, and always terrific in summarizing them for us. We wrap Monday's best of podcast with our Guy Johnny Athletic. Time. Johnny. Brick. Brick Donnie. Right now. Still relatively young pop, but he might be able to help us with our our challenge that we issued in the first hour. Of Today's broadcast Janis on the wedding clinic lasik cataract. Opel hotline a lot of talk last night about the end today about the. Jordan well formerly known as flu game now known as if you believe the conspiracy. food poisoning, game. And we were trying to muster up. What would be in Minnesota sports history among the greatest examples? Of mythic overcoming! Of some great medical obstacle. To. Well when a championship really limits us, because we don't have a lot of those, but at least to win a really really really really big game. And we got a lot of good snarky responses. A couple of serious ones. Maybe the best serious one was from guards the far across the body game. where, he got his body, just got abused the kept going back out there, and he would take no for an answer, but ultimately we lost so any come to mind in your career that we might not quite match Michael but at least get us in the ballpark. I'm trying to think about that right now. Off The top of my head all go. One was. A stirring post game performance because after Corey Brewer scored fifty one points in a game. For the Wolves Kinley. He was asked to take a drug test after the game, and he was so dehydrated that it took them literally like an hour and a half to be able to urinate, so we had to wait forever and ever for him to to interview him after this historic game of his reading, so that was a gutsy performance. But the one thing that maybe some wolves fans don't want to hear, but I mean certainly Jimmy Butler kind of rushing back from knee surgery to play at the end of the one full season that he did with the timberwolves and get this team into the playoffs. Game Eighty two, or they had had to win the game to get into the playoffs that that was that was one of the more impressive things that I've seen a player do. Will detect canceled out later though by missing games because a general soreness. Yeah I think I think so if you're if the visit a cumulative. Probably come on the wrong end, but if we're looking for one thing, Euler performance. That's it I'm trying to think of. Dan I I'm having a hard time. Thinking of I'm sure there's gotta be some Vikings. You know performances that I'm just Jim. Klein Sasser played with. Every kind of Milady, you could ever think. Jim Marshall What if you heard? Of Back, if you heard Zamberletti, tell about stories about him in what he had to play through. Those are legendary, but I can't. I don't think of any like Willis Reed. Jordan things right off the top of my head like that in such obviously in such a big game. No, we haven't. Here's your. Here's what sad I had texted. Patrick Roy c earlier that earlier today. He's been working this hard for me. which I appreciate, but it's kind of instructive that the examples. He came up with our from. Thousand Nine Hundred Fifty One Thousand nine hundred fifty nine. Sixty five was the latest. He could come up with and I. Say well, that's that's Kinda tells us we're kind of were pretty desperate and we're not gonNA. Probably be able to to swim in these very very deep waters. Yeah, the the sample size of championship moments It's pretty small and so you know I think all the links were relatively healthy as they won their their championships I mean they may have had some bumps and bruises. More ever been on on her deathbed or anything like that so. Yeah we just. We just haven't had any bites at this apple, so the five one may be as close as we can get in. That wasn't a loss as you point out so. Yeah just I'll keep digging now. If something comes to mind definitely. Yeah, please please let us know it would be extremely helpful. parts nine ten last night. What stuck out? What stood out to you. Yeah I mean I'm just trying trying to think back to to those. Those two episodes. I think that some people actually maybe forget how good that Utah team was an and I think they. Did you give the bowl some problems, so it wasn't exactly the cakewalk that that I totally that I had kind of remembered. When when I saw back on it I mean the other thing was the the very end when they talked about Phil Jackson. You make all all of the players kind of write down what was again gather and burning it in a coffee can is like the most zen master moment of Zen master moments you can think of and I'm just trying to think of. If I could have been in that room and listen to Michael Jordan Rita's Poelman Phil do his and Rodman, and all these things. What a moment that would have been well. You know it's funny I Apparently Jackson, I think this is a story that guards. He gave to me. linked for me last night. You Know Jackson also had that tradition of at the beginning of the season or even the beginning training camp. He liked to give each player a book to read in the court somewhere in there. was well I. Didn't you know he had good examples of how he tried to match up books with individuals? He said I'll be sent. A case of Michael and Scotty. Said really didn't matter. Then read books so I pretty much. Give them whatever whatever I add. Leftover rather dismissive. In that way that Phil Jackson could sometimes be dismissive. Yeah! That's that's kind of the way that he role, but. The other thing I was thinking about here. Dan Is is I think that early on especially in this in this series there was I think a demonizing of Jerry Krause, and that certainly carried through a lot of the documentary, as it was his fault that this thing kind of fell apart but I just got the impression at the end, especially from fill that this was over like the they just they had reached the point of physical and mental exhaustion that. Everyone. You always ask how. How could you not keep that team together? What was happening? And reinsdorf says in the piece that he offered fill the comeback as kind of this last ditch effort to see if there still was something salvageable. Phil just said no, and you know Rodman was cooked and pippen was going to go get his money and. The energy and the the capital that you have to spend to go on runs like that it especially now, but definitely back then to and what it takes out of you, I think that thing died of natural causes as much as it did. Any kind of ego driven drama behind the scenes that that that may that may have happened between krause, and Phil or Crowson Scotty and MJ or whatever it was, it was just that that team had given everything had had and I. Don't know that it had a whole lot. It's definitely worth pointing out. You could make the argument in fact that. These guys all liked having krause and or rent Reinsdorf as the boogeyman because it made them. They could SORTA hide behind that where deep down they might have all been relieved that this just as well because I. could pretend that I was up for it, but I will say I came away from the last part believing more than ever that. Jordan might of Hong for another one. Yes, and that. Ryan's door more than krause is the villain and I do think there is understandable frustration in Chicago or would be anywhere wherever that dynasty was was ensuing was playing out in that Reinsdorf made it sound like I couldn't get all these guys to come back together. It's too much money. There are gonNA. Want too much money, and it's like well I. You know. Is that the way to to present this? Because in effect what you're saying, you're almost making it sound like you don't even want to try. You don't even want to try to be creative. You don't even want to try to come up with some ways or okay. Well. Maybe we lose this. This guy this guy, but maybe we add this guy to, and we can kind of keep the whole band together to me. REINSDORF came off more. What Charles Barkley said that it's more him than krause some money and solve it on his part, seemingly not willing to be. Let's get our creative minds together, and let's see. Let's at least exhaust the possibilities and see if we can come up with a way to piece this thing back together, and it was almost like want even listen to that. He wanted to be sure it ended, and so even when he called Phil and said Hey. You know what you've earned a right. If you WANNA, come back. If I were Phil I would've reacted the same way he did, which was almost like. I don't even I wouldn't. I don't even think that Reinsdorf came off as that sincere that. Jackson probably figured that out as well. Yeah I mean I think that when you watch the the. Whole Documentary and The people who are featured at any lengths in their interviews, I thought Reinsdorf came off as the most disingenuous and kind of stiffs and wooden. Character of the group and so I absolutely can make that argument and here's the other thing. Is when you have the greatest player of all time. They're just should be this effort to maximize everything. You can get out of him and and believe that he is so good that you can bring all their players through. You Look Steve Kerr was a very good player. Several other other role players were really quality guys that that helped out, Ron Harper and those guys, but to say that while we couldn't play pay Steve Kerr so there's no replacing him well. You could have found someone else. You could have found another shadow erect to come in and play now. The one guy pippen like. I wrote I think that he he did one out he was going to go get his money, and as much as Jordan said he could've talked into coming back in I. Don't know that that's the case that would've been really difficult to fill that shoe, but you always know that in the NBA the very hardest thing to find as a true number, one star, and they had a number one of all number one stars still playing at an extremely high level, and for that you. You would think that you'd get as creative as you possibly could to extend that window as far as you could. Johnny Athletic helps us wrap up the best. Best of bumper-to-bumper podcast on Monday may eighteenth if you want the second segment johnny athletic where we oded Fred, Willard among others and talked a little bit more about the MJ doc. It's available on this very same channel the entire show podcast. 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Episode 530 - Ross Millington

Marathon Talk

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Episode 530 - Ross Millington

"It's Wednesday the Fourth of March twenty. Twenty I'm Martin Yang. He's Tom Williams. This is episode five hundred thirty of Maratha. Talk this week show. Tony Speaks of the previous ten thousand meter. Pbs Champion and a bad to be first time. Marathon Ross Millington the London marathon introduced tail Walkers Alison. Dixon focuses on the process in Tokyo. Plus you guys write your run and just to let you know. We're recording this on Friday. The twenty eighth February so may not be quite as up to date. Is Normal. Tom Williams how you doing? Good thank you and you know. We are normally so on the B of the Bang. That we all kinds of crazy things happen this weekend the US Olympic trials isn't it? This is coming weekend. Which would have already happened. If you're listening to this now as a listener that would have already happened on quite gel. We've not put it in show notes. I think you already you and could deal with this as if we're in your back to the future with what was his name. Michael Michael J. Fox. Yeah and what was the car called the Laurean? So let's just climbing that you can be professor. Tell you what I am this time every four years. I am very jealous of the American running scene. 'cause I just think the. Us Olympic Marathon. Trials are such a brilliant brilliant thing and I just wish we had the equivalent here. Then you first-past-the-post winner-takes-all unlike they make it an achievement in itself to qualifies and so the qualifying times are really really tough. But they're not they're easy in Waif Ostrov Sheldon my mouth and PB EPA easy at that level too. You can kind of qualify for it as a semi elite severely. Whatever really really. Fast runner and that in itself is an achievement. One of the trials and the the qualifying towns low enough that a of the people who qualified whenever hope of actually qualifying for actually qualify for pigs. And she's from top three. But I just really like that concept of it gives it gives people between the kind of you know if you've probably got to be around about two ten marathon Tavrichanka in the men's and other no two twenty five to thirty two thirty two twenty five marathoner in the women's have chance of qualifying but it gives the people who are maybe a little bit slow and some of them are towards the back in the victory but some of the youngsters who might be the first time I've really got good fun thing to qualify for like a like a stepping stone. Aspirational thing and then. Of course you have the excitement of the of the race itself where you really are racing for Olympic Slot. Which again I remember watching. It was almost the same thing. Wasn't it when qualified for Beijing? It was her. I think eight Hayley Haining. It came down to now. You don't know the star of the London marathon do you Bob Bye mild twenty. Her and Haley were actively racing head to head for place in the Olympics. I mean I watch them because I ran fourteen mile. Twenty-one exciting it's such an exciting thing which we wish we did it here especially. I mean the women's in the qualifying for the Olympics. The Bridge Women's qualification competition of your callers. Stacked isn't it be great getting them all in Scotland saying I three go. That's it off you go. Let's do this year. Yeah I like it and I know there's a risk of what about if your favorite gets flu or something. I don't know I kind of like it so I'm always jealous. I of course have not been running But I was. We had a great week away. Didn't win in the district that was funded. It was like hanging out so you all three and my two kids yours is three months to it was like going on holiday with what would rosy and Ruby will like two teenage girls want. They like on their own private holiday like they've come near near us. We're going to do our thing and the boys were like three. Ferrets disappearing teenage girls and three hundred is basically what we with really good though that time together when it yet goods was pretty good for me. You haven't been running when you haven't been to ever been to the gym coughing to the gym every see. Have you seen my physique? You can't maintain this con- Meeting Jim regularly have been the. I'm actually after say I have been saying for the last year and a half since September two thousand eighteen when I first started doing lifting of being. I've been really really good going to the gym and I try and go every single time. I work from our leads office which is on average. Probably three weeks it's traditionally we work from the office and leads four days a week and on Friday. We went from home. I'm not often in London. Stop but I barely miss. It barely ever saw back in the League office twice. This week went both days. I really enjoyed that. I mean it was back to work with because we have this great week. Eight and we knew it was kind of complete. Switch often. Absolute mayhem running on the district and Marathon Dot com which is incredible and we talked about last week and then there are Monday morning on the train to London for two straight days of pretty full work and part one is busy than we're launching eighteenth so this will have already happened by the time the show comes out but we're launching eighteen new park right events justice Saturday including six in the Netherlands. Great stuff I mean I remember when eighteen eighteen events and just in total and that was taxiing really big and now. We're launching eighteen on Saturday. But yeah the Dutch Matt for as well. Let's convince GONNA be mad for. Let me see we've never seen anything like it. The vegetation's over there have been absolutely incredible so again by the time. You're listening to your party. You'll know whether it's been a huge accessible huge disaster. I don't know I'm sure at least that we flap yeah. I'm a shoemaker flat. We're just able to name one name them because this is just one promoting well we. We are normally advertise inaugurals. But we didn't mind place like the Netherlands and Japan. Because you'd be so quiet. Let me look down my list. Exciting wasn't it old Hoffe Park row? Your there's one. In Olden Company Danziger Plus Park Run. Knock Bracken Reservoir. Uk Crawling Pal Maxima part one stats park part one. They exciting stuff. Yeah right you ain't credible you into the gym. But I didn't. I was planning to intended on going to the gym. And all you still picking things up because you did say when I started you kind of start. I'm not convinced I was looking at your physique while we're away and thinking I'm not sure. He's lifting us that Jesus Funny Angles. When you sat on the Sofa and stuff. I thought. Oh you're looking at my busy thinking. I'm not sure he's still lifting now. What point do you say that question somebody that you know? Who's runner Daddy? Look you look at the Macau stopped running. Because I know you know when people say people say things like. Have you been going to the gym lately in Your Life Looking? Buff do you say to someone you haven't you haven't been to the gym. I mean have you seen yourself look at it. You haven't been running you clearly. Haven't been running. Look at that so I could have flip that back at you. Could you could. But I didn't I did. I'm sure I took denies. Maybe he was on the show. Holly I did bump into a mate in London the other seen for a long time and you know he did. Did you get out of the Blue Patted? My Tummy said life treating you. Well is it. I mean that's a disgrace mind. I can see how it would be really offensive but I'm not sure what somebody else on account think. That's kind of funny but you're just pat. Pat Pat life treating me. Who's your friend? So yes I've been intending on going to the gym but didn't ninety percent over a pretty much done it just because I thought about doing basically I've been running rain arrangements so relentless another round. Yeah and happy presenting student break the primary schools in Surrey. Not so that's good yeah. Hopefully we'll get some schools in Surrey on board. Which I'm excited Nice works. We want to thank you to those listeners. With pop long patron and pledge their support for the show. If you like what we do. And we'd like to support the show become a patron. Please check out. This episodes show notes from the link to a patriot. Fan Page now. We do use our social media channels to share your amazing kit around. The world photos has been quite recent. You have got a photo of you in Marathon. Talk of any description and do get photo yourself in it somewhere cool and two if you can kill the Graham with a Hashtag kit around the world And we can share it on the show. Bring your time to rate your run. All you need to do to twitter. Tell us about recent run. Give it a mark out of ten tag at Marathon. Talk a news Hashtag rate. Your run will choose our favorite three down the show. First off this week Glenn Nichols seven on. Twitter says run rich run race twenty five kilometers fifteen meters of sent fifteen hundred meters. That's four hundred thousand feet or something that incredible fourteen minute. Pb Glenn First Time under four hours ten. Our ten loved every second of it. Incredible Incredible Goldie. Twenty one miles twenty one miles up and down a snowy air road with a negative split. Klatten run isn't it? Flash AS FLASH GORDON RAN the second half eight and a half minutes quicker than the first the bill halfway billboard halfway tired. Jesus said no and I've got ten miles to go. Jesus didn't say dads come unto me all Ye that Labor and a heavy and I will give you rest there. You go hope by the Rotan whereas Flash Gordon says no and still up ten miles ago. He gets an eight of ten for what looks like a very consistent twenty mile look at like negative champion. The White Nice well done. I'm glad the load encouraged on your own flesh and Jemma barrel misadventure twenty-five on twitter says was told we would be going slow run almost a royal flush. Kinda she says not really needed a good run out thanks at lakeside. Run ten attention that six miles. Ten twenty four zero one seven nine fifty four nine fifty nine seventeen just messed up with number three good one. London. Marathon it's do it. What's I mean last year so last year at the London? Marathon there was. I think some talk around folk at the back and particularly the experiences around the back of the field and this year the London marathon responded and and I think they've actually responded really well really positively absolutely like billion. They've done some good things. They've put some really good things in place. Let's look at them for this year's race firstly the race the mass race move start a little earlier. A half bus nine participants will be starting to know this. I didn't know forgive my ignorance. I didn't know that American star waves and waves start. Yeah just I think to ease the congestion you know. So of course chip time makes the time right as long as you in the right way if it just delays the star spreads everything out a little bit you know makes it more of a manageable experience. I think out in the roads will again be started in a series of waves now for the first time participants who think they will take more than seven hour. Seven hours and forty five minutes have been offered the opportunity to start the back of either the second or third where he to give them more time. Eight and a half hours twenty to complete the event. The event started a little earlier half past nine and a little bit more time and I think London already has an eight hour cutoff. I think it will solve right because they haven't introduced terrible because I think this is the before I mean. I'm a big believer in cutoffs. Were doesn't really matter what the time but I always think you should have never really knew about was the the issue is when there's not a firm in front of this point is one hundred percent open drinks bans marshalls everything behind. This point is one hundred percent closed and actually I do think people can actually finish off. The cutoff. Walk on the Pavement. Which have never been a big fan of but I think as long as you've got a cutoff then you cut off and you can respected really carefully and I think that was the issue before was. It was very vague as to where that was this time. They're introducing walk. A group of approximately fifty tail walkers will walk the entire route at eight hour pace as a mobile chase squad for the back of the pack. The tail walkers will start in the back of the final wave at ten thirty and the eight hour pace time will begin once these tail walkers cross the start line so it's eight hours from the back from the very final starter effectively at the back of the race and and they will also be joined by boss a DJ playing great for the most part. It's kind of like a walking back of the bus isn't it? Yes and it's great and interestingly the first thing that I thought of with this was that'd be a fun place to be loads of people like wait. Can we sign up to make sure that sounds like great fun to do but also even the term and this will resonate with you Taylor Walker? It's a lie to think we determine inspiration for it and what we find out wait we had years and years and years without because then we introduce tell walkers a couple of years ago and it really helps us even teeny tiny that apart relevant it helps us to understand until the tail walkers come by everything is open and the courses is lives out there all the time and send you see them. It's closed and that's so helpful when you're organizing an event especially when it's going to be fifty tail walkers and the other thing. I really liked the virgin money. Angels yes the Eighty Virgin money. Angels work in Pairs Covering Mile. Sixteen to twenty six position. Roughly four hundred meters apart yet. Paul any one of the great idea career and then it's almost like a like somebody had a dream about the ultimate. Somebody's is just on everything. Let's just do everything? We can possibly think of participants for drinks. Stations Timing Mats and the event photographers will stay in place until the back of the pack has passed the convoy of clear vehicles which is where the issue she didn't really kind of they started clearing up people. I think we'll follow the. Dj Bus and organizers will ensure this convoy does not impinge upon the back of the pack. I think I think this is going to become a real thing. Of course it is going to become a little carnival itself when it's going to become. I think it's like off so often. The focus is the front of the field. Yes you know. And we know with London. The folks that he grabbed the field. Yeah but this is going to turn the focus to the back of the field so like you know what the to to Franz. Yeah of course caravan beginning. Yeah that's GonNa be with us and across the line of comrades yes the last person inside the cutoff comrades. There's a man that's always massive and there's a thing here. Isn't there where you're saying because it's a it's a decent amount of time and I've read. I think I really good blog to Who I'm racking my brains. Where ready around some of the like. So what's the point? Cutoff you know and people not the math in is a distance to be respected and when you respect the distance regardless of ability in demand some preparation An actually you know we see in London that people of all abilities will attempt the marathon distance for some of them. It's hugely meaningful for example. You know they may have recovered from a life threatening illness and be participating London and ours is a tough but realistic opportunity to complete it. Isn't it yeah? I think I think clearly London marathon lightly idea of anybody to do and you've had people take several days. I remember it was at Michael Watson the boxer I think did it in several days and all those kind of things but from an organizer and some racist Fukuoka Marathon. Cutoff is two hours. Forty five eight so you both in an either eve is fine. I'm a fan of both but I think from an operational point of view not having a defined cutoff is where the problem star Star before so I was. I was twelve hours. Forty whatever you've just got to have a Def- when you closing the streets of London which they video doing you've got to do that. So they will be later wrote reopening times from Mile Twenty three onwards and a senior London. Marathon events staff member will be at the back of the pack throughout the event the event to ensure there's no repeat of contracting overlapping with back of the pack participants and tell us the screen at Hugh Brazier Event Director for the two thousand eighteen budget money London marathon set. We have worked very hard over the past month to put in place these plans to ensure that runners at the back of the pack of the best possible experience on the day. We'd like to thank back about runners from twenty nineteen who shared their experiences with us and the working group. That helped us come up with these ideas up. See Burning in that. Even that in itself is Great. Isn't it because we look thanking the working so they thought it through? Yes you know. Thought it through so yeah. I'm looking forward to pretty much. We talk Tokyo the Olympic Dixon. Yes great interview that we got from Fox running dot com we. We're GONNA talk through a couple of the great arts of the early gay. He got false running dot com. We'll put a link on the show. check out actually is really really well worth reading the two little bit high picked out one fast running asked What you goals. And she said it's obviously an Olympic year so everyone assumes that will be every athlete big goal for the year but for me. It's not my main focus. She says I'm I'm quite realistic when I say it's a possibility but a big long shot I believe says Elliott can run the qualifying time but I don't think I'm capable of running a to twenty six to twenty seven which I think is what it will take to make the top two at London. I'm very lucky. She says had chance in two thousand sixteen. If I did make again it would be a massive bonus. But if I don't then it's not the end of the world will take nothing away from my prior achievements that cooling as I think. Some people uber competitive. Meet people might be saying you know if you know what we need to win it while you brother. I think that's great. I think that's a really kind of shows unless you to teen acceptance doesn't it? Yeah you know I think so. Yeah they comes a point when you when you you have to remember. Liz's dad wants many years ago Jane to her new good sports and then in his day and he said to her look and she was at her peak running peak. He said look. You don't retire from your support. Your support will retire. You an in vary. There's a few situations where we know of some of the best world ranked athletes deciding. That enough is enough. They've they've had enough. Chrissy being one great example of that but other mostly people stop doing sport when they can no longer achieve they no longer achieve what they think they would like to capable of? So it's good to Seattle showing maturity arrived. I'm going to do it go. There's a very long shot. But she's being realistic about say. Run to twenty six. Not Sure Maverick rat back. Yeah and she and they also went on to say. Will you be in London Mathematics? So you will ensure your goal she said. I'm running token back in March of. I'M NOT GONNA Chasing Times. I want to enjoy the experience without stressing about splits. If I do manage to run fast enough to beat qualifying time for the Olympics. I will give the guy if not. I've offered to be a pacemaker. Elites what hopefully help a few people's. Smp's that's fun. Yeah also really on the after. Hey it's going to be. The women said that moment ago but the hope I'm imagining we're watching the math on. Tell you this show plans to come down. I hope that if the women's British women's race turns into the kind of scrapped the Olympics that we might be do hope the BBC get it right and get coverage right and because it will be a really great day of spoiler Absolutely yeah very well right then. The marathon lodging Corona Vera virus narrow. I mean this is just something really funny. I read in The New York Post today. Call Americans are avoiding corona beer amid the honestly survey finds survey? I think I think this is really a current vice. Interesting is in the You know I was with an Italian friend of mine. The other day in London Surprising so to interrupt the surprising. Thirty eight percent of beer drinkers in. Us survey responded. They would not under any circumstances by corona as the deadly virus spreads across the globe card. Well I was with. I mean I tend to. I tend to think these things and look at your really really serious thing and people dying. That shouldn't be belittled a tool. You know it's it's really sad and tragic and that's really important but I I you know maybe underestimate these things as kind of an I know the importance of not letting things on this actually become huge and then we'll have a real real real real problem. I do think people kind of react with an Italian friend of mine who come over From Italy earlier this week as human kings cross for for coffee and You wouldn't be staying with brother right. He's he's Italian literally meant to be staying with his brother and I said Oh. Yeah you so you're saying it's like you said no but let me Let me go and see him because of the Krona Virus. Of course then hotel go. He won't let his brother said they've come to me. Okay your from your from Italy. So we've got a few pop-up Events. She closed the arene slightly sketchy as in. Italy and we do have powered events close in Singapore. We as an event organizer ourselves. We monitor that situation and it must be. It must be really difficult for a big city marathon or the Olympics because it such for US counseling apart relevant. Is You really? He's not Hainault them. We counsel for a few weeks or even if we counsel for few months we had so many Australian bushfires we all have some close considerable amounts of time. It really doesn't matter but for counseling. Something like the London Marathon. Oh my word or a Tokyo just dying and so obviously people are starting to say. Is the London marathon going to be cancelled? We got some runners world remember. We are recording this on the twenty eighth of Feb and they say at the time of writing twelve people have died immediately from the Corona Virus Canary Wharf oil companies closed. Their offices often unwell. Employee was tested for the coronavirus virus and four schools in the UK. A shut completely for a deeply after students return from ski trips in Italy at one of them using Aragon I think one of the Harrogate schools just came back from ski typically and these clothes think the Foreign Office as well as now updated. Its travel advice. Warning Gates all essential traveled to eleven quarantine town Italy. It has also been announced thousands of Britain's will be tested by GP for the Corona virus phase that could be far more cases in the UK then known about with just fifty nine days ago at the time of writing until the London. Marathon runners world reached out the London. Marathon for comment cube racer for the aforementioned. Heeb Racia- said we along with the rest of the world monitoring colluded developments relating to the spread of Corona virus and not me updates and advice given by the UK government the World Health Organization of other public bodies two months to go before the event on Sunday. The twenty six April. We will continue to monitor the situation we go. Hey that would be amazing if it big sporting events start going on it as you remember something similar before. Rio was Zeke virus or something talking about whether the Olympics have become too. I remember some athletes not going to be a because of Ezekiel virus. Think there we go. Today's guest is training for his first marathon. Boys Five Marooning Novice is represented. Great Britain and the ten thousand meters at the Rio Olympics. One the night of the ten thousand meter. Pb's and Rana sub-four-minute minute mile. Welcome tomorrow and talk. Ross Millington guys. Hey great to have you on the show. Listen before we talk about London today. Yes yeah been out this morning Ninety minutes with Johnny Malone Adam Craig out from New males only on canals few hills and stuff so yeah chatty Rana was essentially Chelsea Rainier just nice and easy nice and easy viewpoint is worst places to ruin xactly yeah. That's the Nice Spa. I like it got everything on the canals hills have not so much more. We stayed off the mode. Today was lovely right before we talk about preparation for London at what goes into running in the first place I I originally like most kids started with football and I was playing Ruby Secondary School I WanNa Start Stop Grammar. That was my first introduction to running across country and pe- lessons and games lessons and It just became pretty straight away. The I was good at And it just went from there really like from lessons obviously got chosen. Ronin events for the school And then a thing. The whole process of light joining me still is Old came about free quickly really And then I was really fortunate that time that Dave Tumble was how to group of really good girls and a few guys down at Stockport On a thing L. H. Join his group after going down to the coal block one or two times. I think I was funneled straight into the into the endurance squad. So how old we then? I think I'd have been twelve or thirteen. Yeah did you go look for them today. So find you know I mean I from running cross country I think just would go about the parents et Cetera. It's like all you need to take him down to two would bank and get him involved in in the running groups down there so yeah my parents. You know always been really supportive and play football football when I played started playing rugby staple grandma you know. All the games out and the same with running you know Madonna attacked me down. So would bankin stunned down. Freezing cold choosy insists and stuff. So yeah just word of mouth really that the Gami down and Obviously Dave terminal kept me down his will. He is a fantastic coach. Dave coachie for Dave coach me so that was pro. I mean twelve team for looking about two thousand and three probably until it went to. America is still coach me a little bit when I was in America which is two thousand and nine thousand and ten so good for you is good six or seven years and what is your what to eat to America. so of the other times. Dave how the group with Stephen and that was in the group and he'd been out to America to Butler University. Which is where Joe Franklin coached and he moved to New Mexico. So when I was coming about you know the decisions to make regarding universities like still went through the process here through Newcastle vacation. And I think that they'd get except it's a loaf bro book. By this time I could just have this. Fear in America was the place to be Been a few guys out like Tom Lancashire. Who Don't well but most guys seems? Go out so post Grad from the UK. And I was just thinking what him why. Why don't I just go out now and see? See what it's all about him. If it's not to my like and then I can come back home and I just deferred my love for for the year and Yeah when the obviously the connection link with Stephen Joe Franklin which I think helped a lot. Joe Let me go out and take a visit so unusual when you walk. Roughly was getting myself into And Yeah I just had a really good feeling about and I thought I'd go for it apart from the weather right. I think just having so so in England the university see I mean. It's it's changed a lot over the years but going into the NCAA system is more like a lot more professional mindset and sell like you know these programs that the big schools are making you know serious amounts of money and like communities support. The college is towns and cities would support folks overhead. So you get not so support environment I think it just helps massively with with getting up formats mindset and not that you don't have to go out there and take within really seriously. I'm still still university still doing university things. After I was twenty one but I just thought I think it really helps. Bridge that gap from like on the twenty s to seniors which I think a lot of people in the UK is kind of struggle with us. And that's where there's a lot of drop off in participation because people can see themselves making that jump from junior level to senior level was a you know after a few years you already compete and sometimes beyond what senior in in the UK or European. So yeah I mean I had a great house and I wouldn't. I wouldn't change it because I think it made me into the eventually become and did it make you roll. Different Services. Different across country network. It's all over there. Do they know as we would see it now? So where I was in Albuquerque. All the trials are kind of like it's dry nearly all the time it's like over three hundred and twenty days of Sunshine. Perfect China and environment Well Yeah I mean. We still raced ACROSS COUNTRY NOT SONATAS. We would see it. wasn't everything positive about the about the. Fi- you could. You could pretty much know what the weather will be like. Heavy southbound always helps him and you know looking out the window and guessing you kind of all human This is GONNA be Sony. And we've just been back recently for for an ounce to camp and it was probably a little bit colder than. I remember it but yeah no no real rain or you know slipping and sliding about and just makes a difference definitely makes a difference because you can. Just you know you're going to be able to train is nothing. There's not going to be any interruptions so I was always nice and remotely been trained by day tumble back here. In the states they were. They aware that he was still. Yes say helped. Massively the Steve New Joe and nothing Dave New Joe as well so WanNa win over day was still kinda guide in things and Joe was was fine with that. And then I think I've been maybe a year or eighteen months And kind of Joe's signs take a bit more overall in my training and And they still have these group of an officer. When I was whenever I was home over the summer or Christmas I was always back. China with the group has stopped so yeah there was never any sort of conflict and always worked really well for me man. Even when Steve Start Coach in two thousand and ten you know Joe is really receptive to them. There was no problems brilliant. Now you got quite a pivotal year. Two Thousand Sixteen. Yeah when you've taught on the show few times about the knife ten thousand means a P babies and you actually want it. Yeah how is that yes it was. Yeah probably one of the best racism careers fossil to be to be involved just the atmosphere you know. I mean I think Johnny Mallard one eight maybe two dozen fourteen fifteen or a member. What's in it and thinking you know this events doing something different this is. This is the way to go. I think from its first inception. I'm not sure when the first run it was but it just seems to bill and bill each year and by the time I came to run in two thousand sixteen and it was like there was a massive salt Bozo Bar and Yeah couldn't wait to get to get down to London and see what was going on and get started and obviously I knew the Olympic spots. We're on the line that point and I haven't got a qualifying time. Oh you know it was something that I was training for and was in the back of mind but a nuanced. Take the first step in so we're not race first of all so yeah. I would love down. That was fantastic. Fantastic atmosphere Everything about the win. That got you the place in the Olympics. I wasn't the time so I think or it definitely helped. Because I'm Mina went and got the time I was everything was so ticked all the boxes then whereas you know if I finish the full but then still from the time it was still could have been a few question and I think it'd been up to the whereas Gamma Win. And then a few weeks ago running at the time and over in Holland was yeah. I knew as soon as across the finish line the don't ever needed soon on the Olympics and I changed it because maybe event. Yeah so yeah and I think it was and drum arena ten thousand over in Stamford At the beginning of May which was my first time over the distance and I was hoping to get close to twenty eight minutes. Then book a Dingo well I think it was just still. We've been ousted for a good month. Also carried a lot of work into it and it didn't go well so kind of on back a little bit going into hyg as well but I was. I was still very confident. Because then you much. I ended up going really well And I just went in knowing if I did everything right and performs the way on Newer Code. The could win the rice. And so we'll have to wait till you in Rio came about pretty quick. Obviously running the twenty seven fifty five in Leiden was was a huge moment for me breaking twenty minutes with something. I'd want to leave for a good number of years And then yeah. Everything moved pretty quickly after. That is kind of set. Our Steve and we're trying to decide how we wanted to prepare best for Rio We decided to have outs form remote. Altitudes seems to work quite well for me so we knew that was those something we wanted to do and ethics the Campout So level sport. I needed Yeah I'll try and really well out there and then headed over. It's a holding count which is in Belo Horizonte And Aena run into Rio Think maybe three days before my race because nothing thousand was one of the first events that was on so so then these days. The whole time after just fortunate. Yeah I was a little bit few days after my race because I was more racy in Rio. Didn't go as hoped What were wrong then. I don't really know. I think he was just one of those nights to me. It was just. I don't know whether it was because I've made such a jump. You know like Highgate. And then running the twenty minutes whether it was just one race. I was asking for one race to money. I don't know because I've never with injuries. Kind of the years before a hadn't made Europeans are handmade will championships and I was just kind of in a defense thing at that level and I just don't think I was ready for it. I mean I don't have anything a thaw code and I think it was in good shape but it was just just wasn't my Nyein highs and lows in ruining you've out a few inches over the well. How how do you deal with? What problems have you had? I mean how do you deal with those of what's of on my fair share of injuries Like from eighteen to twenty fifteen so sorry from being the age of eighteen to about twenty five twenty six so ferch stretch from stress fractures of Navicular on both navicular off quite well fairly common injury for run is like it's a bone in the foot top of the foot And yes pretty unfortunately common injury but he can keep you out for quite a few weeks and he can't resolve now swimming. We really looking like a chess reaction. You can kind of load for maybe four weeks and get away with that but to break than is twelve weeks. No white bear and coaches full job. Everything so yeah those times a hard. Because he's going to get the news from you know if you end up having mariah scout seen adults he kinda get the news and a good few days of best soul cannon and all that sort of stuff charts to get better with age but I kinda nowadays I just give myself good. Two days not shown a self off completely. No the I'm going to be short with people and I kind of get myself out period and then you know you start clean. Slate was cross random. Going to be. What Kinda do first of all time focus on the on the positives of what you can do what you can't do that And then just Kinda go about as you would normal China and really sit down with with the coach makeup line and then you know get get on the by coca in the pool and just go go by train and as warden so just during your time really and you know always having not in the buck you had you know you're going to get back you're going to be running. You know you know it is what it is in your stuff to get on with it. Really there's nothing. There's nothing ninety. What he can say people always try and say things and kind of you know yes to be pleasant with people in secular. Yeah you just unfortunately of the as you get used to dealing with them You know some athletes. Don't get massive injuries. You know define the fuel niggles and You know other other outfits myself and like many people out there you know. Get these injuries and you just have to deal with it. And it's part of the sport for and Fortunately Yeah but you still going. You got your first marathon coming up. In the meantime you have Rona from the. Yeah your only one half so far in New York that was in twenty seventeen. I think One Way to yes. Yeah went quite well it was. I think I made the mistake of listening to many people. Would you also because it was in New York so we start in the first tank as in Central Park which is quite open down quite hilly and you kind of come out in Central Park and head down the East highway which is quite fast Because it was my foes telephones and people knew that kind of you know putting in that sense and I think I listened to too many people saying you know you need to take it easy and you know that I that I hang k. Because and you know I think because it was my first half marathon. It's kind of because it's got the word Morrison and you kind of like. Oh God it's a long way when in reality it's not. It's kind of probably more closely related to ten K. So yeah I think a left I think a left to be out there. Thought Day But then yeah just due to injuries in the way of kind of come about. And the racing's combat. I haven't managed to run one since then so house. London come about as you first Madison. So a planned a plans run a marathon at the end of two thousand seventeen a got injured in the summer so kind of white and then the injury kind of most of twenty eight to get buck racing just to a decent level so them one year again last year had plans run one in the awesome twenty nine teen in just a world cross which ended up having surgery so kind of that ruled out a key bouncing by the have have. I'm bouncing back. Yeah so yeah kind of after the after surgery and May June kind of go running go train and And I was stunned. Sieg limousine training. That was you know getting a level and I think it Oughta Hill session him New Zealand road would park and I was kind of driving home. And Steve. Run me and I've been toying with the idea but hadn't really said anything to anyone and he wrote me and said should we do London and this is back in November. Was like yeah. I'll yeah if you bought me I'm happy to to go for. Nc Well and that was the decision made really So since probably December indifferent motto in Math Work Obviously I was with Johnny Mala. Who'S GETTING READY FOR SEVILLE? 'cause you you're part of this new balance through party. Which is led by Steve Bernie? Those who don't know is European Cross Country Champion. Fantastic Rona. How many people in the group? And how does it work? So there's this myself is Johnny Miller Adam Craig Jonas Race Sousa Swiss guy just one seven four five indoors. So he's got a big big future ahead of him Care Mcginn European medalist Allen Kirk the Martha Rona yet festered skill. Mouth Rona. You won't pay out play with Dr. I'll tell you it's up of these leagues. I'm on might have to unlock my Is So yoga. Great Team And this kind of a lot of different disciplines going on which is challenging for Steve But I think we all kind of work well with each other you know Training does for ENEL. You know even if we're going down to the truck in the same session you know. We still allow still a woman together and getting ready for this session together. So how do you do the mountain? Johnny's doing Seville yet the Seville is on the February. Oh so yeah the coming up on a week on Sunday. So yeah is this. Is something competitive between you in the group or evasive each other's house it were? Yeah so I mean you know. Athletes alike role can be but to competitive sometimes but it's all good sort of. It's all good natured. Obviously people is low abundance or you know Not Not Shit talking but you know like good bonds between the woman But then when it comes down to it. We're all really supportive of each other and you know when when people room well it means that the groups in a good spot and everybody sort of feeds of that and then equally you know. Someone's not how in you know the the best of times and the ill the ranger and you know kind of all that together now in the you know to try and bring the awfully open and help them through it. Like on a cylinders. Just you know. She had surgery for a torn Achilles and in the summer which is horrible injury. You wouldn't wish on anybody in those really suffer but you know seeing a Aubin in the position where you know you'll go down to go and sit on the bike for two hours and everyone's going out for that room and No kind of seeing her and opposition makes you appreciate that you know that you are run into when someone's Moan about the weather or something in Uganda and something to buy for two hours. It's no not going to do that. She wished to being mom position right now so I suppose for her to see the fight. You've come out either side. Yeah exactly ask myself and alleys injuries. John is about injuries. And look the you know there is. There is hope there is an answer you can get back up to these sorts of things. What's the biggest adaptation than in stuck to a marathon from what you've previously running the Just long sessions off running the longest run. You've ever done. Think of a Manila before this started in December in longest run had been think nineteen miles. No US ally. I've done nine seen in Kenya and then last year and flag suffer. Think Twenty maybe twice see breaking new ground in training. Yeah yeah because ordinary think of Gum I think of the twenty two maybe two or three times. Twenty and twenty one twenty four planned for next week. So how do you feel about how you think I'm enjoying it? I was kind of not worried. What kind of I was intrigued? Bari respond to that to being feet for that long You know saying how would absorb that sort of work. That was kind of my biggest fear would be you know how it'd be after the runs out because I think a lot of is in the recovery and you know. Can you come back to three days later and you know going out another lung rumble. Another you know a session Unfortunately I've seen quite well to that. So you're kind of the fear is gone now coping quite well with those runs and coping quite well with overall volume of the weeks But then in Charleston notes those in the even sort of Tan k half marathon sessions probably better than they have been In a long time really so yes. It's definitely exciting. I'm really enjoying it. Which which I think is important. Yeah have you ever been down so long the Martha weekend have you ever thought? Yeah Yeah I was there last year last year which was really cool with a the day before and she was quite nervous because she was supposed to run it with a friend a friend who got injured so she was a little bit nervous about almonds. Do on our own so thing bull. Yeah Jakoda eight so she she got it done Yeah I think when she crossed the line. She's never she's already talking about doing another woman. She's running the Greg Noll Fisher as well so great but yeah being for the weekend was was really cool. And then I'll see Johnny Johnny Ron as well and And seeing Callum run. What he did was was really inspiring. So he's doing amazing. Yes yeah he's quoting you in. You sat most if not all of my more. Enjoyable races have come in front of large crowds. I thrive of the atmosphere and enjoyment. I don't if you ever remember say yes. It was up to highgate so with mind London coming. You know about mystery. There's going to be live expectations and for race day. I'm really thought about it too much. You know like I do like big occasions I don't know what it is. Just like. A set of a tooth seem to thrive in those situations and a low of soyabean. Pau of something bigger and Yeah I mean. I'm hoping that London. Ob like a High Gable just extended over twenty six miles changes surface. So I'm really looking forward to a time in mind can ask you. Yeah so obviously. These Olympics run a line. So I'd be lying if I said it wasn't quote by so the qualifies to Eleven A. And there's obviously good a good number of British guys in this. Oh yeah not trying as focused towards trying to make another Olympic team Of Ink wants to get close to the race. Stephen I'll have a discussion of what based off of what how much chains Garnham A. What time we see. We see what you know. The pace groups are going to be whether we think I'm into shape or whether you know shaped just try and go for the Olympic Standard. We'll see a think tank capability and you know if we can stay in one piece. That's always the biggest. The biggest hurdle but wary of what he said happened at New York where you think you may be listening to people too big too much took to advise. I'll just yeah. We're just just listen Stephen. And obviously johnny as run a good few marathons now of Steve Coaches Andy Davies. Well as he's over marathon But Yeah I think I'll keep it pretty close close circle and Yeah think I'll definitely buck myself. I'M NOT GONNA listen to many people and I think I know I'm capable of so Michelle. Yeah tips any Olympic tips for our listeners. Just about running in general but anything about in training or anything really. Yeah so for me. I mean it sounds a bit cliche. Enjoyment is a big thing When you're enjoying in you want in Scotland Ron and Gal door makes a massive difference. Now that doesn't happen every day but I'm in. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where you know this is so much profession so iheart not the. I half to go out and run but you know I was full back on the on the days that I don't want to Enjoyment thing for me. Being Paul other group is makes a big difference. So you know get organize into go out and meet other people Rome's whether you start group where you meet people on the way like fortunately in our live. Johnny Lives Twenty minutes down the CAN. Also we just text each other where we're gonNA may on lethal. He'll come to mind. I'll go to haze and just having somebody else. There I think makes a big difference It's a special place to round isn't it? I love it. Yeah that's why. Maybe they'll pets. Even when I was living close to stop will always drive up here to do all morons so yes makes a big difference being in although looking out the window. It's not so pleasant you could look. We ask all our guests the second question not as a few hot six months of perfect training. No injuries no illness. You have focused on it. How fast do you feel? You could run a mile. Now is a caveat here in the you've already run a mile in under four minutes. Yeah in three fifty nine which automatically on our list puts you along in seventeenth place alongside asked Brownlee Ray. Dewi Griffiths Yukiko Kawaguchi. So and you one second ahead of Cala markings at the moment all of these go any quicker than three fifty nine without perfect six months. It's it seems like a long way from what I'm doing right now under four twenty four thirty nine recovered. You've been needed Olympics. You've got a couple of months off and then you've got the six months perfect things months break my pba three say. I'M GONNA say nobody a lot. Yeah I'M GONNA say three. We talking like a perfect. Maybe Oslo mild weather. Yeah I'M GONNA say three fifty six three fifty six right that you are. Now you've jumped up new in twelve place joint with Andrew Lemon Cellos Nice. Congratulations Ross. Thanks so much for coming down to really appreciate it and best traded. Thank you to look at London chess. Omegas I was heading to the Lake district for our. We can to house sounds birth. A had some time before The family onto so get sports mass outrage sir. To me and said I'll start on the all you reasonably cold thought. This is a with mystic powers. I said well how did you? She said You told me. Hamstring I listen to so snow is a topless. My leg felt fine so thanks decided to run an head up to minute. You built in honor of John Run. Even though it was slow round at my views the cloud was down. It was hardly see mass shoes. Soi went back down. Dan made me Goddamn. That line fell to twinge. I tried it out. I did want to try to deck. That's it for episode. Five hundred thirty Martin. Her way up to up to this weekend is going to be in this weekend this next weekend. Yes yeah up to. I don't really know. WanNa get some running down. That's for sure I've been a bit in the Thar Gic on choose day I was at. I'm going to see a big change to be exciting. I'm doing an event most during an event at the evening standard taking a bunch of people for run that it's facebook live on Friday the sixth of March and this is a way hosting a little running weekends so flying solely with the kids. I'm quite looking for quite like that. We should do all sorts of ferreting things around brilliant brilliant well. I'm having a chilled out weekend in the we can. That's already happened when people listening to this. I'm hoping to get back to our junior PA rum. We really miss it as a family we we. Obviously we were run camp for the last one and then the two previous ones were cancelled because of the storms. We've made a mistake so I'm really hoping we're going to get back to our Japan this weekend. Then I'm down in London on Tuesday and the day this show is released. I'm flying to Moscow to see our our friends at park run Russia and spend a few days with them got some wind up with them and then doing the. Although I don't think they listen to the show I'll tell you why I listen to the show. We were looking at the schedule yesterday. And they've only got. Us scheduled social run every day. They think I'm GONNA run well by no. I'm trying to buy some trainers well if you're if you're listening park Russia team. Then he he definitely definitely wants to go for a run every day. If he doesn't you can kinda quietly say to him in Russia and are you still running. See my social. My social anxiety will will probably stop me not running. I'll have to run but genuinely I don't really have any running shoes at the moment I would have to. I'm going to have to buy some shoes terrible. But yeah so you go so. I hope you'll be running around Moscow next week which will be fun and then the week the Saturday after the show goes out. I'll be rushing Portland and then that's right that's it. Thank you to the brilliant Ross Millington for being. This week's guest are wonderful volunteer production team for bringing the show together and thank you for listening. I'm Tom Williams Martin yelling and that was marathon talk.

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Another Page Turner  Episode 14 More on How to be creative in the changing industry

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Another Page Turner Episode 14 More on How to be creative in the changing industry

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. Www DOT odd past detroit dot com before information. Hello and welcome back to another page. Turner with big dog and little stuff. I'm Stephanie Menard. I am Tom Hutchison. And this is our quarantine addition because we're recording this at our respective homes through Zuma. It's been like two months. It's only like four episodes for us but it's it's been two months really since we've been able to put put a put this together. I now while the studio that I usually record us out of had to close well they didn't have to close. No that one did number might be did have to close because it's inside of like a restaurant slash bar so it's all locked up. I can't get in there you know. So Dave who is running her show remotely from his house. We thanks Dave was able to this up so that we can keep podcasting and not be interrupted so much by what's going on out in the world. So thank you dave and I get to spend more time in my home art so all's good right he's he's always like a foot away or less like in these trying times to be so awesome. I mean I've been fine honestly outside of I mean not going to the movies. My life hasn't changed This is this is the life of the creative anyway as you wake up and eat breakfast and you do some work in you eat some lunch and you do some work in then you take a shower and you do some work and you go to bed and you do some work in the morning It's it's no change for me. I mean it's literally my daylight has not changed in the slightest outside of just the the basic like I'll go see a movie today or something And it took me a while to get a twelve pack of toilet paper. But I'm fine other than that. Ledger able to find some toilet paper congratulate. It took a couple of weeks before it showed up on the rack and then I was fine anyway so you know it's all good now. I'm good for another three months. Will there you go perfection? And you know we don't know how long this is GonNa last right now. It's till the end of April but my thoughts on this is that it's going to be going to go through. May in my all. It's you know I think what's going to happen is it's going to loosen up towards the end of April but they're still going to tell you social distance. Be careful be aware. Don't just go back to normal at the end of April but You know may will start to loosen things up And then June depending on where you're at. I guess you know the the the curve as they say might start flattening out and Then you'll start to see a little bit more quote unquote normal but As far as things like comic cons and Going to retail stores and things like that You know big large vents are still going to be shut down. What retail might start to creep back into you know our daily life but even then it'll probably be like no more than five people in the store or something like that. Yeah I'm just looking forward to being able to go anywhere I don't like I don't WanNa go anywhere right now. I mean do they don't so I'm good with being at home. I work from home so I'm used to it. I always had like appointments to get my nails done so it was like leaving my house to go to do things. I can't do any busybody like right now I mean you can see this but nobody else can. I take my fake nails off so I have no gel nails anymore except for one more I had I had to do my own roots and I totally fucked it up. So yeah you know it's been fun. Corentin Life Baby. I know I'm going to be more bogged Ritchie as goes on. I'm just GonNa Return to my wild roots but anyway so we've talked about birds of prey like notice a few episodes ago. Maybe two or three we have seen it and we were just talking about kind of like what our thoughts were on it and I read today because I had a credit move. I had a credit on Amazon. I didn't even actually pay for it. Okay as long as it was free than my free digital being the ticket and so overall I didn't really like it. I'm going to start with the positive of so the third act in the movie. I really enjoyed the you know the big fight scene with you know the the good guys bad guys like US pretty cool. I thought they did a good job but the more I thought about it. I'm like so the first two acts were really boring. And I'm like is this only good because the last two acts were not good rogue one you know like and I don't even WanNa watch it again to check and see if like that you know. I know you're talking about an and literally. I mean I said rogue one jokingly but that's literally rogue one. The first two thirds of the movie are just pointless nothing zero and then you get. That lasted me. It's all the The fighting the crazy darth vader scene. At the end that that you know all the fan boys went crazy for and so I think that the movie was saved by. Its finale and there are there other examples of of kind of crummy movies that have a good ending. Course there's also good movies that have crummy ending but Yeah Yeah I just I I will stand by my my. This isn't birds of prey comment I think Harley Park is whatever. I'm not a Harley. Fan But Harley part is whatever but It wasn't a bird's brain movie from me visually so there was no drive for me to go see it. I will probably end up seeing it on Netflix or something at some point. I mean I always end up seeing all these things but There's no drive for me to go like Oh Gansu now. I get it so okay for me though like there was I did think our journey played Canary and she's one of. I've seen her in a lot of things and she's a really good actress. Labbe picture to play at. I didn't know she was in it. And then Mary Elizabeth winstead played a huntress and I her I like her. She did a good job and actually hunters is probably my favorite character. I Love Margot Robbie but like I don't like her as Harley Quinn and I found her highly annoying the character not her necessarily as a human character. No I get it. I'm with you and I really liked the. I like the character of Harley Kran in a Batman the animated series that is Harley Quinn. Like she is a little over the top weird in part. Jewish. I just don't think it translates well to felt like that character. At least in my opinion so you know it's not that Murad can't act. I just don't think it translated while as a little ridiculous and found the Harley's ridiculous and annoying to me period. I have zero love for the character so I had no problem with suicide squad and so you know. I thought she's fine. This is Harley. It's fine but I wasn't blown away by suicide suicide squad either so and also that jaded old guy who just wants to see something new and not getting anything new at this point. So I'm kind of I'm just Kinda on the outskirts of all this movie stuff. I'm what here's what's crazy. We'll take will stay in the Batman. Universe is All of this Batman stuff that we're seeing the Pattinson Batman stuff virtually every single announcement for Batman when they started casting and all this stuff Right through to the the the pictures they're showing. I am so one hundred percent not interested in this movie. Like I'm so a thousand percent. I can't find a reason to care about another incarnation of Batman I I don't know why anyone cares at this point. I mean we've we've done three or four different versions of this guy. Can we do something else and thank God wonder woman? Thank God. Aquaman thank God something's happening but DC even really at this point is has said you know. Let's go back to Batman because there's no rush on Aquaman to there's no rush on the flash. There's no rush on anything else they're doing. Besides let's do Batman again And I'm just done with it. I'm I'M OUT Y'ALL. We've had fun with that but it does nothing for me. The casting choices the visual. Look now. I'm done I'm out. I mean look I. It's kind of stupid to keep just redoing the same character and if it's like they're trying to get it right and so they keep trying to like. I thought Michael Keaton was great. I thought the original movies were great. I enjoyed they. Were Fun. Well and you're talking about a movie there. That's what thirty years old now or something. So I mean I I understand that over time you kind of have to do a reset but you had with the first four movies yet. Three Different Batman So right there you had weird you know casting issues there and then you you came back with the bail stuff which was significantly enough time away that you could say okay. Let's do a reboot. Let's do a thing and right. Did the they did a trilogy. There which you know was I enjoyed mixed highly mixed for me highly mixed. I loved the first one. Yeah Second one I think is over hyped and the third one I thought was a disaster but then when we went to AFLAC AFLAC was designed to be part of this larger scale universe for the first time and I was like alright. Well Gimme another Batman. Let's see how this one goes Because he's interacting with Superman wonder woman and doing all that and he was fine. I mean I don't really have anything against athlete but that was what three movies and were done. And now we're onto another not even part of this universe anymore. It's just. Let's tell another origin ish story in in whatever so I'm just DC has lost me completely outside of wonder woman. I there's nothing that I care to see. I feel that I feel that I mean I'm glad that I watched spurts of pride because I don't like talking crap about a movie and the not seeing it. Actually 'cause it's sometimes I'm wrong sometimes the perception that I have it in you know. Sometimes it's not accurate. I watch something like Oh. It's actually really good so I was hoping I was wrong. I wasn't in my and I wasn't wrong. Well and my crap talk on. It wasn't crap talk about the movie. It was basically about the trailer. This came out with with our last segment. It was like you guys made a crappy trailer and I don't WanNa see your movie and then all the sudden it was like well. You're just a man. You're just trying to hold him. I'm like no you made a crap and trailer and I don't WanNa see your movie. That's it you. You made a birds of prey trailer. That doesn't look like words. Bray and I don't WanNa see your movie that's it may. It may be good maybe bad. It got very mixed reviews. I've heard a lot of people who loved it. And they were kind of the people that would accept alternate versions more and that kind of thing they. They didn't really know what birds of prey worse. So it didn't mean anything to them but for millions not hunters. It's not black Mary. There's no girl. There's no oracle birds break. I'm just not interested. Sorry so that was my whole thing so again I might watch the movie and enjoy it or I might be like you where you were kind of cautious anyway. And you still didn't like it. I'm just not rushing out. Sit Now I understand that one hundred percent and just you know. We're in lockdown so find stuff to watch I'M WATCHING LAST YEAR. criterion For those who don't know their company that does all kinds of cool blu ray stuff with with lots of extras and You know things that they consider masterpieces for the most part in one way shape or form which is weird. Because they did Armageddon so somehow armageddon has been elevated through criterion. But that's okay But they put out a huge Godzilla box. Set last year With with all of the original sixties and seventies stuff on Blu Ray In many cases for the first time in an all kinds of extras so I've been kinda tinkering through that and Last couple nights ago is watching. The last of the series is called tear of Mecca Godzilla and As I was watching it I I realized that what I was watching was the actual full one hundred percent Japanese cut complete with the BOOB scene at the end and I was like no way. So shout out to criterion For for going all the way in and even including those crazy crazy seems that no one has ever seen before Outside of the Japan market from back in the day. So that's that's been my my fun thing for me is Just kind of bouncing through the collection. Because I'm not I mean I stream of course but I'm a very physical media guy so I have a huge blu-ray collection that I'm just kind of walk in my way through and in fact I did watch. Batman begins not long ago which I still. I still hold up. I think that it does to my again. My opinion gotta keep in my opinion in my opinion. That should be your opinion. And I'm GonNa make your opinion right the more the more we say it Steph. The more everyone will agree with us. I know okay so we're going to shift a little bit. We're GONNA move on since then comic book Chitchat. Some industry Chat anybody who follows you on? Facebook knows that air very opinionated. No ever had an opinion in my life to they will know that know. You've always advocated for working directly with comic bookstores to get your products in stores and directly to customers as well. Oh well definitely I mean that. That's not even a question. You've you've always been really good with you know getting connecting with people in in doing things directly with your fans so that's your who'll But now more than ever with you know we could discuss diamond. Kinda is not in the picture right now so you were having you know receiving a lot of comic book publishing companies or people that run them or people that are self publishing or whatever that used to go through then now going what do I do. Now how why move forward and you have been working directly with comics for owners like the people that own them and drinking and I wanted to share that with our listeners that people that might be in the same vick man. I'm you know. Maybe they can learn how to add that to the roster of good business give this might be a two hour show today There's a lot going on here. So quick recap started big dogging in two thousand ten. We ran the company ourselves through diamond and cons on for four years We then were moved over to Aspen. Comics published under their umbrella for three years again through diamond and so on it's on And then when when we broke out of Aspen which will be Three and a half years ago. Roughly I had to make a decision as to what I was going to do with big dog inc and how I was going to bring these comics back to market The first obviously is just well. Let's go back into diamond and back into stores and back in the previews and so on and so on but at that point that was year seven ish for begging and at that point the market had just changed so much Not Not hyper dramatically. Like it had from the previous ten years But you could see the market for independence. Creator owned small. Press whatever you. WanNa call it Dwindling in the eyes of of retail stores And and even at the same time dwindling in the comic book convention area as well because the cons had shifted as well. The cons had become. Mostly it we've got walking dead dude signing pictures and we've got You Know Chris Evans if you WANNA spend four hundred dollars on his you know a meet and greet or whatever. So the cons had shifted in the con- Attitude in mentality of Let's go see what's new and what we can find. It was changed to. Let's go stand in line for four hours and do nothing and that's been four hundred dollars on a picture and then go home and that was. That's the cons So the cons shift. The retail landscape shifted. But what never really changed was the direct customers desire for at least in our case for our books They kept asking you when he coming. Back what Winston? If you're slow coming back winds is coming back. When's critter coming back and I was like I have to figure out how to do this. And so we decided instead of going into diamond back into retail stores. We decided to just relaunch ourselves through kickstarter We had done a couple previous but they were new. Titles people didn't know what they were and they were successful but They weren't like crazy sessile so we decided to go ahead and relaunch with penny for your soul which is what we started with to begin with on kickstarter and it was super successful. Did really well and I was like okay. This is going to be how we're going to sort of re imagine big Dog Inc as opposed to me to diamond to a retailer to a fan. It's going to be me to fan and that's it And there's really almost no reason to do it any other way now. Of course remember we had seven years of building a fan base. So this isn't something that someone can just step out of their house with their first issue and suddenly be proof. Ham doing twenty thousand her. Can It happen shore? But it's unlikely we. We succeeded because we had seven years of FAN building From there I went back and started working with Jesse James Comics out in Arizona Big Retailer out. There who had been a supporter of ours Romania supporter of indie comics. General from any I mean this guy. Did things like. You'd never believe their source out. There will be like. I can't sell more than ten copies of this book. Jesse will sell nine hundred of them Why because he supports indies In general number two because he gets involved with them. I remember when paper girls came out the Bryan Vaughan Book it came in paper girls. He bought a thousand copies of paper. Girls lied laid them all out on a big old table so it was just this yellow table you know if he has remember the first cover was yellow and he was taking pictures with a paper paper boy. You know sash that they would run around and deliver papers us taking pictures waving this stuff around. I mean he got behind everything. He told his customers. You should buy this and I'm like a watch other retail stores and I'm like you you by ten copies and put it on the shelf and then sit behind the counter and watch doctor. Who that's your that's how you sell comics and that's not how you sell comics. And that was the part that was frustrating. Me Now obviously. Jesse is an exception to the rule. Not a restored. Does that some stores do it differently. But there are still stores that sell independent comics in large quantities. And so whenever I talked to storm like you know You know you could buy like five copies. Put It on the shelf. They're like dude. I can't even sell to we buy one of these because somebody asks for it in the store and I like within by two but the other one on the shelf. Because if you've got one you've probably got someone else you'll by the one But they just don't want to hear any of that and I. I got really really frustrated with the retail market. Now there's a lot of stores that we deal direct with and we've been doing that for the past number of years to there is no diamond anything it's just a dude We have any of your soul. How many do you want fifteen? Great here they come out the door t a wholesale there on the shelf Done we'll let you know in the next issues out and They sell them. They sell the trades a Some themselves variants. Depending on markets obviously variants are different types of selling market So we deal direct with a whole bunch and during this corona time. We've been sending care packages out to retail stores. Just free on my time. Here's like two or three hundred dollars worth of books. Go sell them. Do whatever you want with them. Give them away solemn for a dollar it my dime I even paid for the shipping and and and and you know we've got a pretty good response from the people that got them But even in that case and not to shame anybody even in that situation. We really only got a couple of thank yous of like. Hey thanks for this. This was great. You shipped at priority. We appreciate it. It's going out so even the forty or so stores that got them got. Maybe I don't know twenty five percent you know thanks for the retail side is difficult for these guys and I get it trust me. I did retail long before I did Comic Book Creating I've been running managing owning stores for for decades. And so I get it but I also know by traveling around the country and visiting all these stores which I did when we were starting up. That retail isn't done right in comic bookstores for the most part. But again you're talking about two thousand stores you know there. There's a lot that that are just kind of open to be open. And there's a bunch that try and do it. You know maximum. Jane Vegas has three stores and they they pounded out there. Alternate Reality in Vegas is another great store. That that has indies and and so on You guys are in Vegas. Go to alternate rally. Oh my God you will love it So there's great great stores and then there's the majority that are just kind of winging it and those are the guys that are going to be struggling right now. Yeah and it's been hard because the comic book shops there either closed and only online or like for awhile comics more here in Madison Heights. They were doing curbside. So you can call in your order and Crisp Chris Brown. The owner would bring your stuff to you. See even have to get out of your car. I thought it was really cool. And it was viewed to facilitate sales. But also you know being doing right by the customers to do. That was really cool and there are. There are shops that you put in the effort and you know that extra you know attention. Or whatever that they can sell indies and then but most of them aren't like that and diamond is Ben. The tool that a lot of people have used as will ages to get books in shops period and then also kind of like status thing you like all. My books are in diamond. Which means nothing. We'll but yeah that's what it means. Nothing it just means that somebody could order it if they wanted to. It doesn't mean they're going to so that when I first started. That was a goal for me was to get into dining because I thought okay. Well if I'm if I'm doing well enough and I'm with the publisher in diamond than it'll be easier for me to get more people to read my stuff because I can say order from your comic shock with this code which I mean. That's a great tool but I'm lake working more directly with people s kind of how I've been doing it as well not on the level that you are but definitely like you know you're up here I'm a I'm probably down here but then when you look at where I am with the rest of the industry. I'm still down there with you to. We're all at the bottom. You know you're you're not talking to people here. You're not listening to people here on this podcast. Who are you know buying yachts from from selling their comics But you know we are finding our way to be successful in and make some aspect of profit to help pay our bills and so on and so forth But yet diamond diamond doesn't I? This is another frustrating to talk to creators all the time they're like I can't wait. I can get my book in diamond. I'm like how many units do you think you're selling and how much money do you think you're making from those units because if you're selling it for four dollars a book you might be getting two dollars a book you're going to sell ten thousand units. No I mean even even in the old days there used to be a thing called the diamond top three hundred and it was basically a charting of the top three hundred of books sold at wholesale. Let me say that again sold at wholesale not actual sales in retail stores sold at wholesale. This is something that people miss in a lot of cases It was the time in top three hundred over the past few years. The top three hundred BIS became dominated for the most part by Marvel DC image. Dark Horse Zone so in order to actually get some of these other companies Some traction. I don't know it was expanded to the diamond top. Five hundred and in the diamond top five hundred now you're seeing companies like Scout Comics Vaults Source Point Peres I don't know big dog. Inc would be in there if we were in diamond. That kind of thing but you had to go down to the top five hundred to find those companies because the unit that those companies sell through diamond are small Now it's it never hurts to sell a couple thousand units but you have to almost that as a marketing expense because there's no profit treated have there so the the mentality of what diamond is has to change from a at least from a press. Independent Creator owned person trying to get into diamond. Because you're never going to sell more than maybe three thousand units and You know basically just do the math and you'll see how difficult it is to to make that work So diamond is is should. Never be your goal per se. It should just be part of your plan in your plan. Should BE DIAMOND AND CONS. And whatever else you want it to be but it should also include what is happening right now. What I've been doing for the past year almost year and a half Plus in some other methods Which is direct selling? That is your website online and that is turning your camera on and saying. Hey Fan base. We've got some comics for you. Who wants to buy some comics And two years ago three years ago I guess for Jesse he started this thing called the Comic Book Shopping Network. We've talked a little bit about this on the show here Which is basically a group of about twenty odd retailers couple of publishers myself coffin comics And every single day almost perpetually from about ten in the morning till two three in the morning. Somebody's on their selling comics and it rotates through all the different publishers and retailers. I only do one show a week had Wednesday nights. So it'll be tonight Ten eastern time and We do two hours and we have a great group of people that come in all the time talk comics talk big dog they get You know sort of behind the scenes access to what we're doing as far as revealing new characters are kick starters and stuff and And it's been it's been huge. I mean this has been tremendous is not just for me. It's for all the retailers to during this corona thing this has shown I mean and again I've been telling artists specifically artists for the last year and a half dude. You've gotTA stop relying on these cons. You can't be paying four hundred dollars for a table. Four hundred dollars for your travel. Four hundred dollars for your hotel or whatever it is and chasing money now if concert giving you calm tables and stuff awesome. You know if you're getting some sort of kickback. That's the obvious. That's a different thing we do shows when people give us booth where like you do. We'll take care of the travel if the booth free will do the rest. That's great But so often all these shows are just like you know. Pass money money money money. And you're just chasing the money so even the cons have become sort of like diamond words more of a marketing tool than it is a way to actually make money whereas if you turn your phone on and you connect directly with your fan base and you say hey. Here's a princess's versus zombies number. One in it's ten bucks and whoever wants to call it out. All of the people that are watching. Don't have to spend four hundred dollars on travel tickets. Four hundred dollars on a hotel fifty dollars to get into the show fifty dollars to eat some food for the day. You know the money that they have is in their pocket and they can then have more money for you as well. So you're basically turning on your phone and your becoming a comic con whenever you want. Obviously the the the one missing element is the personal element because we can't shake hands. We can't I mean we can sign books of course but In the day of grading and all that kind of stuff that kind of throws a little bit of a a a monkey wrench in that side up. But that's a very small part of of the experience. that You know do five or six shows a year and and make them big grand things But in the meantime you have the ability to sell and connect. Let me say that again. Connect with your audience anytime you want. Make a post. Talamo going to be live in ten minutes. We're going to Acuna ask me anything. Live draw Do a sale. Whatever you want you or your own comic con and during this carnivals thank you can you literally within the course of about three weeks. You watched Zana scope Got Him now. I'm not going to be able to do this. Zemskov all kinds of artist. Publishers All of a sudden they were like. Oh Yeah we have to sell our stuff especially when emerald city went down because everybody had emerald city out one. Yeah and so. All of a sudden everybody was online going. Hey here's arnold city comic con exclusives. Let's sell them to you guys. Even though we weren't at the show as what they solve books without being at the show so again discount shows they have value Have value even beyond just the booth part. Because there's there's the mingling. There's the just the the net the networking that's unbelievable the networking part. So there's definitely value not saying ditch shows. I'm not saying they all suck value but from a disarray creator standpoint from a low end creator standpoint you are never more than one minute away from your fan base with your phone and the way the technology works right now and if you decide you want to do something and say hi again you don't have to show every time you just wake up and say hey I want to tell you what I'm doing today. I'm going to be drawn this Lady mechanic a cover for you know Joe Benitez Today and people. Oh cool. That's awesome. You know that's the connection. That's the con- connection. Even though it's not a you know two feet away connection. It's the same thing right and I mean right now. We're seeing a lot of people doing like what we're doing right now using zoom back to being like group chats. They're putting them on facebook. Searchable watch like these. Basically virtual handles and people are getting really creative in the last show that we did. I know we talked about doing marketing online. And selling directly to You know it's selling directly to people through facebook and tools. Yeah right now I mean a lot of people are utilizing this even people. That don't necessarily like aren't really trying to sell anything just because they're bored. Hey I'm going to go on and draw a sketch cover of whatever are there. There's that everybody's doing that pick six characters or whatever for a quick sketch which I thought was really cool. So it's a way to engage with people that like your work without even necessarily selling but you're still connecting with correct. Yeah and I love that stuff. I've been watching some live. Drying sit there for a full hour and watch it. I'll watch for a few minutes and say hey in check in and see how what's going on and unfortunately because I'm a writer I I don't. Nobody wants to watch me live. I know you and I have to figure out how to like live right. No come on like hey. Here's my face you know I can tell you about what I'm doing. All a little bit but You know I tried to support like my artist friends by you know by logging in checking out with their all doing because it's tough times out there but I think that people are starting to move a little while you know this has been going on now for about a month and so I think people are finally kind of getting into like the shift. That's happened I'm telling you now. There is no normal. That's going to return. I'm telling you this right now. Normal that that you knew is not coming back at least not to the level that it was when we come out of this people are going to realize. Wait a minute why am I spending two thousand dollars to go to this con- when I made two thousand dollars the last time I made online sale and it didn't cost any money to get there or do anything like it's all changing How dramatic it's GonNa Change? Will you know we have to wait and see but one of the things that six challenge thing that you were talking about This prison mechanism. They also have been telling artists. Because this is your opportunity. You have a huge captive audience right now every time. I'm watching these guys draw. I'm just saying the same thing. Oh my God. There's another Batman. There's another wonder woman. There's another Harley Quinn. There's another another another another holy. God is as boring now. Granted I get it. That people are paying you to do it. Hey Drama Wonder Woman. Now give you fifty bucks done. I get do it man draw. That wonder woman for them. But what I'm telling. These artists is in the middle of these things. As you're saying hey you know what? I'm drawing this wonder Woman Commission for somebody. Oh yeah but by the way. Here's something that I'm working on for me in. It's my own character and it's my own story and and she's this she's that and she does this and she does that. Intermix this stuff with your own creations because you have people watching you now who are going to go dude. What does that tell me more about that? And when you come out of this on the other end not only will you have done? Made your wonder woman money but you will have people asking dude. What about that thing? You showed me what about that character? You showed me what about that story? You were talking about Is that happening. You have the ability to build yourself right now while everybody's watching And the longer you sit there and draw someone else's characters the less time you're generating for yourself to build yourself into whatever's next year you know. Tom McFarland just made a million dollars. In three days on his spawned toy. You are not ever going to get a million dollars on your toy unless you have a character of your own because you can draw wonder woman all day long but DC's making that wonder woman money you're not but if you can make something to throw on kickstarter that that ten thousand people are like damn that's cool. You can make your million dollars but only when it's yours not when it's somebody else's so we've kind of deviated out of the whole selling into creating but it all goes together right now create create create. Show show show but while you're doing all of this stuff to to pay your bills and you've drawn Batman for the eight hundred time in March throw a few pictures of your own stuff in there and and And Talk to you. The people that are watching you draw Batman Yeah. I'm drawing Batman but had this idea for dude who was like an amish guy and he's like an Amish Superhero whatever. I don't care what it is. Just a superhero. I liked him trademark. How much Gotcha But you know while you're under and that's how we get super strong. It's it's the butter churn. Yeah so while you're drawing Batman talk about what you're doing talk about. Yeah when I'm done with this Batman I'm going to draw something else. I'm going to work on this design. I'm going to work on the store. Whatever tell your fans that you're doing something of your own and you can level yourself up out of this You know when we're back to quote unquote normal right and you know we don't know exactly what with all. GonNa look like I mean. I think a lot of things are going to be different. This is kind of an unprecedented time. There's a lot of. There's just a lot going on. And we're we're kind of seeing shifts in a lot of things Hopefully go back to some of the balance of normal or semblance whatever however you pronounce that but yeah. I think it's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting to see how all of this plays out and I think the point is is that you need to put yourself in a position to take care of yourself. I yeah and if everything that you do relies on somebody else whether it's retail store diamond whether it's just comic cons now you can see how things can go south in a hurry now. Obviously this is an extreme thing. That's happened of course but You know cons have just died out. In the past two. They've just disappeared Costs on cons have increased and increased and increased So there's there's all kinds of things that can throw off what you're doing when you're relying on somebody else but if you're just relying on yourself if you just coming in and saying I'm GonNa make this thing We're GONNA take it to market on our own whether it's kickstarter indigo or whatever you WANNA do You have more control the more control that you can have over what you're doing in producing and putting out on the market The better off you'll be in the end again. I'm not discounting comic bookstores and tons of Comic Bookstore Owners I Love Them. They love me. I love going to stores. We have a local one in town. It's a very tiny one but I I like going to it Not discounting cons but you can't put your eggs in ads in one basket not even two baskets maybe like maybe yes at least ten baskets at least ten baskets. Well I mean here's something else to keep in mind with the whole comic kind. I mean let's be real. The vast majority of comic cons are no longer about comics there about the pop culture factor. And and so you know it's it's not only how. How soon are you GonNa get seventy thousand people crammed into a big warehouse? It's how soon are those? Celebs GONNA WANNA cram back into a big warehouse with seventy thousand people and put their arm around people and take photos and sell fees and all that stuff and if that's the big draw that's a fair point that that's actually something I hadn't really considered. Yeah I mean because we we tease about you know Chris Evans. In his four hundred dollar photo shoots but it's a real thing that grew up money on and If those guys aren't there the draw has to come back to something which hopefully will be comic book. People again but again goes back to something that I've been talking about is If if and this is why I kind of dropped out a lot of cases if you're at every show and you're paying for the booth at every show and you're paying for everything at every show you have no value to the show because they're just accepting your your check But if you suddenly say well I can't do your show unless you give me a booth Or an artist alley table or something. Then they have to decide if you're worth it and that's when he started. Discover your real value. No we had a. I mean from our perspective. We had that talk with quite a few cons over the course this past year where I mean I think three years ago we did God close to forty And then you know. Two years ago we were down to about twenty last year we did about twelve to fourteen And it's just it's look it's there's no. Roi here for us to do this if you want us there. Let's talk about that And if you do and that's great But I mean even even some of those we passed on because okay. It's not just a financial. Roi It's time Roi like is it worth it for me to sit there for two or three days when I could be doing other stuff. Sure and yeah so I like what you were saying. How you know making sure that you're taking care of. I think that we need. That is like the perfect way to slip it up. We need to stop like depending on other outside forces to basically to take to get our money to able to stoller products to be able to Get your product out there. People really should be on our shoulders even if you're with a bigger publisher you can't just expect them to sell your book free. You should be selling your book. There's there the publishing thing is another part of this where people are like home trying to get myself picked up by a publisher mobile on like why. What's the publisher? GonNa do for you outside of putting their logo on their book. Most of the time. They're not going to do anything now. There's value in the logo. Like if you put that little image I on. Your book is value in that. Certainly you know if you get dark horse logo. There's value in that but in the end you still have to sell your book There is strength in numbers. Like if you if you're in a group of people and they're all selling and they're all talking about the company and they're all talking about each other there's strength in numbers for short that's one hundred percent real thing but there's also strength in personality. Which is you and if you can become the face of your product. You don't need anybody else to be the face of your prep right absolutely agree. And and you know what my books got picked up by rocketing studios and that's exactly like what you were saying. It's a group of people that go hard to sell their stuff but they're wanting to take it to the next level so they're picking up other creators that you think that they're picking up products that they a they like the product deed you know. They're they're not just picking up to pick them up. They're investing in the people to our door ater owned. I obviously still own. Oh my product but by us all coming together it adds value. I feel you know. It's not just a logo for me. I feel like there's a value in working with these people and US working together as a unit. I am proud of their work. They're proud of my work and all we're going to do is just lip each other up to that you know that next level so it's a win win for me. They they recognize. You know these this. All you had a cool product they recognize that you were a cool person and You are one of the active people you know. You're talking about your books. You're doing kick starters your you know your personality and You know for for me. That was really hard because when I started I was not a personality. I didn't WanNa be a personality Ozone sure I had personality and you know I'm not a salesman or you know I had to learn all that stuff and it was like forced on me. I'm like dude. I don't know how to do this while you either learn how to do it or you. Don't get to do it anymore. And so I had to. I had to just buck up and be like okay. I gotTa do this thing because really The the get off my lawn was my personality for a long time And it's still Kinda is but you know people get it now. I think early on they. They looked at me as I was just sort of like. This is a hate non-south now now now I will always give you a reason why you need to get off my lawn. You know and it's not just because you're stepping on the grass right. It's not universal. Everyone Years Yeah and I think people get it now and it's become kind of a little bit of a stick but You know I just I just take it and run with it and people kind of get me now because I've especially been on video for so many times. I mean I did last year. We did thirty five. Live shows sale shows and that doesn't include anything that we did from cons or or just general jump on's or kickstarter videos or anything so people have figured out. Yeah Tom's all right. He's he's grumpy sometimes but he's all right And we just have fun with it now and that's and that's how it should be not enjoying it. Then why do it? Yes especially with complex. There's no point if you're not if you don't like and I know that a million times on this show but it's always true so if you find yourself getting burns out the needy move on to something else. That's correct yes. You're swimming in the wrong pan man all right anything else. Oh you know what I bomb thinking about it. I'm tomorrow which is Thursday. The sixteen. We're we're going to go and Thursday the sixteen because it just right. I'm going to be on chat. Draw with Michael Watson So he is going to be drying when my characters from alien and I'll be talking about my character and he's going to dry on talk can be really cool so that'll be at three fifteen on facebook. I'll share it on my facebook and it's interesting. Yeah Nice on On Saturday the eighteenth kickstarter princesses versus Ambi- is number one will launch for us so we have we have kickstarter run and All kinds of great covers all kinds of crazy story. Zombies and Halloween style princesses running around biting fingers. Lop Heads Off. It's going to be It's going to be good time. So April eighteenth and it'll run for a month so you don't have to be there on day one but you should be there on day one. That's that's cool. That's cool kids do. It is on day one but But you know we'll be doing it for a month and We'll have we'll have a bunch of covers Really great artists and lots of surprises along the way as well So yeah princesses versus zombies. And then we're going be probably maybe changing our schedule actually this year for for some of our kick starters so for those that Are Listening be sure you move over to twitter and instagram with. Vdi Comics or find big dog INC with a K. on facebook Because we'll be we'll be talking about what we're doing the rest of the year as well as you do on social media. Yeah that's what it's there for social correct all right. Well we will be back in two weeks with more stuff's in weeks is The twenty nine. Okay April twenty ninth. Yeah well yeah. We'll go back to our Tuesday Tuesday. Twenty nine twenty nights. Yeah sorry I had a day and I just yeah. It was not good. We'll see we'll see how close we are to. Because supposedly in Michigan. The thirtieth is our end of end of lockdown time. Yeah so we'll see if that stays true or not and We'll let you know if you can start to meander out if the comic bookstores will be opened yet. All that Kinda stuff But at minimum guys jump on facebook. Follow your favorite creators. Because odds are they're all doing something You know they're drawing or they're chatting with ya or they're doing something and Like tonight on the the Doghouse or going to have a special Stevens. Merle who was my co-founder for Big Dog Inc. Ten years ago And he does a series of books called Island Tales which is all Asian fairy. Tales and folklore turns into comics Which are super cool? So He's going to join me for about twenty minutes On the doghouse tonight Before we do our regular sale and kickstarter prep so You know all of these creators are doing something some time somewhere. At least the artists are the writers little harder because again. We can't exactly just put words on the screen and have you follow it You know that's not exactly exciting television but the artists are doing stuff so go go watch and interact. Yup and support. Show them your love Yeah that's that's what we need to be doing this time. Show love to each other. Be kind support each other and you know hopefully will be through the soon and we'll all be able to hug soon. That's all I just jam it anyway. All right we'll see guys in two weeks you save stay inside and hopefully everybody stays well.

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NBA News: Bubble Trouble, Opt-Outs, Pistons Path

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NBA News: Bubble Trouble, Opt-Outs, Pistons Path

"Sweet! and. Welcome to the podcast on the athletic network. It's Tuesday June twenty third. I'm Jay skeets and joining us. THANKS TO THE POWER OF TECHNOLOGY TASS Melles. Hey, everybody he s he. We got the bearded one Trey Kerby. Hey. You the international man of mystery, taking it to the Max Leila's friend. Last but not least making the magic happen. Jd! Yellow dairy is here. We are guys. Email us your MBA questions and comments to know dunks at the athletic dot com. We'll be hitting the beach tomorrow. So get those cues and comments in right now follow us on social media, twitter and Instagram at no dunk sink in over on facebook at facebook dot com slash no dunk. We'll. I guess it's official. We're now on facebook and ask promise guys. We did it. We dropped a new squad on Monday. Stop lying to you and we actually posted the thing. It was a lot of fun. We attempted to draft the perfect mascot. From categories like appearance and their signature gag and a mascot mentor is a lot of fun. Early results say jd ran away with this one. But go give it a listen and. Make your own call. Let us know again on twitter. Especially, what and who you would have drafted in this pretty silly but fun, the perfect Mascot Squad podcast and up before we get to our headlines here because we're doing a little roundup of the news I, just want to note Lee. We're the hell. Were you this weekend in? Alabama went to sweet. Home Alabama Yeah I decided to do something different with the family, so we headed that to a beautiful little farm out there, it was great. The boys will milking goats that were eating albino rabbits. We were egg hunting. In the morning we found some blue eggs cooked them up. We item it was really fantastic. Little just was only one, but it was sort of good over spread attitude. That was didn't shoot up the rabbits like you did when you're on that farm in Australia. These rabbits wouldn't shoot these out. They kind of like pets for the farmer. Pests like we haven't. Really annoying. You want to get rid of those ones. These ones are really cute and Yeah. The boys had a great time feeding them. To have sex with the goat right. No I didn't no I did not. Say they're wild man. Incredible there It's funny, because like the final was milking the goat and he's thinking. Do you want to have a go and you should see the look on the goats face when someone else tries to milk. What the Hell Are you doing? Man? You've never done this for. Me Back to the farmer. But. Yeah, it was great. Highly recommend it. You know it's it's great. At of Atlanta here I'm going to pell city. It's called just just before Birmingham I'd like to say Birmingham because that's what is from in England but I here. It's Birmingham Alabama okay. So, this is almost like a bed and breakfast type farm. In a way it was on, it was on AIRBNB. We actually stayed in a camper van, which was hilarious, because that little three year old. He's right into star wars and everything right now. And every time we went back to the camp of and he said Dad I'm GonNa hit back to base okay. I could I got into it I said. We're GONNA hit back to base guys. Let's go was awesome. Okay well, it looks like a fun time. The photos I just packed up your darth mule and head on back. All right well, let's get into some NBA news here. We do have headlines to tackle the first one coming out over the weekend ESPN. Concern throughout the NBA grows as corona virus, cases spike in Florida. This was big news of course over the weekend where the Florida Department of Health reported I, guess actually on Monday that the state had passed one hundred thousand confirmed cove in one thousand nine infections, and cases have been trending up for a while now and recent days. The positive test rate has been like something like twelve percent so quite high. And we're seeing it where there's. There's concern from the League about. Oh my God. We're going to Florida. I mean our teams are going there while the raptors are already there and more are headed that way. It's a bad idea tasse. What'd you think of this news coming over the weekend? Yeah everybody concerned as Florida hits their new record high seemingly daily. It's definitely definitely a big concern I think as this continues to happen. Think the League is under pressure to get those Disney employees who are traveling from their homes into Disney every day to take care of the NBA players and teams. Under pressure to have them stay there as much as possible. I know that opens up. Another can of worms of rooms, etc.. But yet the people. Tending to their food, and also tending to the rooms that are only being changed once a week or or turned over once a week. I think those people as as these numbers T- tend to go up should be staying on campus, and you have to find a way to try and alleviate those concerns, and then I think the next step is potentially eliminating a few of those teams that are at the bottom rung, and that's a ways away but we'll talk about some of those players from those teams that are canceling a little bit later. That aren't aren't coming from those bottom rung teams, but I think. Realistically Right now. The League should be looking at keeping those Disney employees on site. Yeah, and I think that that's. Definitely definitely seems to be the way to plug up the holes in the mess hat that people are calling this bubble concept, but the problem apparently is that all Disney employees are union, so they got to figure out another way to be to basically mess with their work and life schedule. Is that the NBA kicking in an extra twenty five thousand dollars for each of these employees so that they don't actually have to leave the magic kingdom. Maybe it is but I. Don't know what I read through this article to me. It seems that everybody. Everybody is pretending to listen, but this is going to happen. No matter what. Brian Windhorst went on and said that the plan is basically too big to fail. And when you read the quotes, it really just comes off as yeah. We see what's going on, but it's not gonNA stop us. Adam silver was resolute, but Somber Michelle Roberts is saying I'm not surprised, given the state's approach to reopening, but guess what our players are flying their private. It should be fine nothing's quote unquote happening in Orlando, probably because most people are gone since Disneyworld is. is an open. Maybe the numbers are going to go up in Orlando as soon as everybody gets there. There's a lot of talk about things they're doing. Right and how quote unquote concerned they are, but it's still going to happen. So are you really concerned? I'm not buying it. I'm the same I think the as going to get to a point where it's like we just GonNa. Push ahead until there's absolutely it's far too dangerous for anyone to be there and I just don't think that reached that point yet I. I think because of how. How much they've lost for the season. They want to recoup whatever they can, and so they going to try to get everyone Dan the and to see what happens. rather than just pulled a pain as a precaution. I don't think that's what I WANNA do. I think I want to get there and just make something happen, so we still what five or six weeks away from Games being played of course team, you mentioned the raptors already there and other teams are going to start arriving soon to go through their You know pre. Pre trial, warm ups and things like that. So. It's just I think for the NBA like if we can go there and people, it's not just going to be a big breakout as far as people contracting the virus, and they'll push ahead, but if it gets the situation where it just goes through a team or teams, then they may reconsider but I. don't think they'll pull the pin before that point. What about the? Let's say the bubble sort of works? Okay, there are a lot of problems with it as you guys have pointed out. We have over the last couple weeks, but let's say it's SORTA. Works okay. What happens though on the outside of the bubble, if a medical system is just completely overwhelmed, and you know, this continues to spike, and it's bat. You can't I mean just pure optics? You couldn't just be playing in your little bubble professional basketball while right outside of it. You know again. A medical system overwhelmed. People are dying left and right. There's just no way at that it right I don't think that's a moral issue that the league. Right then. You just going to ignore what's really happening to the people around you and and that's that's if you're Adam silver in the league office. Like what what point do you get to decide? Okay? Yeah, we can't push ahead with this. When the so much catastrophes going around I, mean this goes back though this starts with the leadership of not just Florida, but the whole United States. I mean there's absolutely no plan. There is no leadership I mean you've got the president saying he wants testing to be reduced because they've got too many cases, I mean. It's a complete disaster in that sense, so the NBA has to take their own leadership Leadership from their own standpoint, he and decide what is right because it's not gonNA come from the government, and and it's it's terrible right now for Florida and unless they do something about it. It's only gonNA get worse. That is a real situation that the league is facing. An end is probably gonNA. Come sooner than I realize. I think Aren't any hospitals that are struggling at this point, are there? I don't think so, but who's to say, that couldn't happen, right? Yep, totally you know Michelle Roberts. Did say I think there's they are all concerned. I push back and say that they are. Worried because she did mention. Hey. If there's if it's necessary necessary to add further restrictions, respecting those third parties having access to the campus, we will seek to implement them, but he is saying we're still going there. We're still going. To have them stay, and if you're better than like, how can you? How can you really say you're taking it seriously to the League? Open themselves up to so much criticism when they decided to go for the twenty two team format. Because then it's obvious it's obvious you're doing it for TV money. You're doing it. So that, you're going to have more games happening there. You're not doing it to finish out the season. Have a championship. You're doing it as a business decision and I would have a lot more respect for the way. They're handling it if they were upfront about it, saying we're doing this as a business, we're GONNA. Make it happen as a business. We know people are going to get sick. We know that there are going to be problems in there, but the fact that there is nothing in the leagues memo about ever having to shut down the season. If we get a whole bunch of cases that that's kind of ridiculous to me. That kind of language isn't in there. That would be nice if it was in there I, think we all know that they're going for money at the same time. Hermetically sealed bubble. If they're going, make it a bubble and they do add. These implications or do these restrictions for people coming in and out that makes it a bubble. To some degree and As we've seen from epidemiologists from from Dr Coachee on down. They believe in the system that it would. It should work. Yeah, there. There will be cases I don't I. Don't think anybody is really. Thinking that there will be zero at the same time. They'RE GONNA be down there for weeks, and there will be quarantine periods for everybody and I think they're definitely adding more and more should be adding more and more, and and I think they should start if the players and the teams are there for weeks on end, the Disney employees should be as well. We'll just tweeted right before we jumped on this podcast the NBA and the Players Association have agreed to put into place, an enhanced insurance plan for players in Orlando that would cover career ending injuries related to covid nineteen or conventional basketball injury, so there's a potential group policy that would cover players for several millions of dollars, and I bring that up because we got a lot of news from this past weekend and Monday of. Of like opt-outs and injuries, and maybe guys that are still fifty fifty We can go through these one by one. If you want or I can throw them all at you now. We can just talk about once we want to, but you know the New York Post I say that `Davis Burton's the wizards forward. He's the first player to fish. Say like pull on are going to Orlando. I'm pulling out of the restart. So, let's start with him. I think we'll do these one at a time, but you know this was big news. Obviously good player and he was on one of those teams. You said their tasks. In the wizards who no one believes has any chance of even forcing play in tournament, the Mega Bowl let alone getting into the playoffs to get hammered by the bucks, so he decides not worth it. You know like I'm a free agent. I've had injuries before. How what's the point of this? Oh yeah, there's also the coded a scare and he said I'm not going. What did you think about this? Good for `Davis. Burton wants to make a decision for himself, and it's The risk reward ratio for guys become a free agent and is going to get paid for next season probably from the Washington Wizards It's not worth it. He's not gonNA. Make any more money very very unlikely by playing really well in Orlando. And the wizards unlikely to go the plows. It's interesting, are Fred Katz reported that he is going to be playing. With. The Wizards and training camp in Washington DC before they go down and he's GonNa be. He's going to be in camp. There so it seems like an amicable situation. Everybody gets what they want I don't it's an interesting thing with the wizards because as you see players like doffs. BERTANS pulling out of it's almost like. Just just don't don't force them to go and start the chopping block on those teams that at least a few of those teams that are on the outside of the playoff picture looking in. It does make it more more it. Wadey just have have less of A. Feel of a championship season if players are. Deciding that they're not gonNA. Go before this deadline of June twenty fourth Wednesday. So the more that that do drop out. It seems like it would make sense that team or players would drop out for teams that are outside of the playoff. Picture it. Feels a little bit more gimmicky? That's for sure and so a few of these teams. They may be on the chopping block. Sure feels like they're gonNA force twenty two teams to go but I don't know Bradley. Beal has not hundred percent committed to going the Washington Wizards Best Player in and if he doesn't. Of than. Chop them off trump. You think we should maybe bought. either. The teams make this decision or I guess they would have to in with the NBA. Just say hey, sons wizards don't come like you know what. There's sort of no point. Everybody's thinks that so you guys just stay home. I think just saw the Orlando Pride in the MLS League Soccer League. They just said that you just said we're not going. Were obviously kicking off pretty soon here also in Florida. They're just decided after testing and stuff like that that. NOPE, we won't be there so liamine, could we? Could we see that with a team like the wizards, or maybe the sons or some other teams well I think if you do with those two, then you might as well do it with all the ones who weren't in that top sixteen as of the season suspension, so that would mean the blazers in the Pelicans as well and the Kings. So yeah, I would look to do something if I'm. If I'm the NBA try signed before this was not about trying to give teams the best chance of winning the championship. This was about teams, more money, more games, and clearly, if your data's Burton's absolutely point in going down there, even though as you mentioned that washes had this tweet about players being insured, which is good for someone like him, but he's potentially look I mean he's a little bit hard to figure out exactly what he's going to be worth. He's last contract was two years and fourteen million I. I think assuming. Assuming, let's just say for the point of this article that the salary cap next year is going to be the same as it is issue. Then he's probably in line for like fifteen to twenty million a season payrise doves Burton's, but that probably won't happen now. Given that the salary cap will be so different, but certainly we know was an in demand. Play at the wizards could've traded him at the deadline and I didn't so he has got value, and he's only risking that by going down there to play a few meaningless game, and this has also already had to ICL. Injury, so for him. It makes perfect sense to just sit out and say there's there's only risk. There's no reward there's nothing he can really do. That's going to significantly bump up his pay. More than what what he was already in line for so yeah I think. I think the NBA mistake taking more than sixteen teams and I. Think you're GonNa start seeing that with more and more of these players on these fringe teams. Just saying I'm not going. There's no point. Depending on whatever their personal situation is and I think that's the smartest decision to do. Play stay away from it and just stay on. How much do you think Bertens's is worth it I I need to get clarification on that number. Well. I'm saying I'm saying if if the if the salary cap was. What was this, I think he's in in line between you know fifteen to twenty million per. But who knows what the copies next season I would say. He's still probably going to get threes, and you know ten to twelve million the somewhere like that. Should be somewhere around there for around well. No I think it'd be significantly less than last year I. Mean you think of that the Chinese to debacle at the start of the season? NAM missing out on so much money throughout the season I think it could. It could drop well below one hundred million. Myself I mean just by. Hauling like they've talked about smoothing out over your right. Okay, yeah right. It's very down. Yeah, yeah, so I mean he you know again. He's A. He's a shooter. He doesn't do a whole lot else, but he's a pretty good shooter and he's as someone who you have to respect when he's on the floor on those plays in demand Oh. He's going to get paid, but obviously if he was to injure himself again then that that could seriously affect these big payday, because this is going to be paid. I don't think he's going to get a big one after this one. Well one of the other teams that's going to be missing a player that is at least scheduled right now. It'd be down there in Orlando is the sons and Kelly oubre junior. This was shops tweeting that read junior is expected to miss the season to continue rehabbing his knee So you know there's a little different of course than Bertone's especially in the headliner in the news, but I think it's at. It's at its base. It's the. The same thing, right? It's a guy on a team that has no chance to win a title or even probably even make the playoffs and he's looking ahead to to money. He wants to make in this league and it's like you know this is not worth it either, so he will not be going to trae. Yeah, he's basically just a year behind Burton with regards to how he's handling this whole thing his contract year we'll be next. Next season, so who's Kelly? Who'd Ubaid to go into the season? As healthy as he can trying to make as much money on his next big deal, but I do wonder if there's a little bit of drama behind the scenes with Kelly oubre and the Phoenix Suns remember when he was a free agent after they traded Trevor Aretha for him. It was a slow free agency for Kelly Oubre. They kind of said, go out and try and get. Get an offer. See what you can. We're GONNA match it no problem so that kind of could of pissed him off then at the trade deadline this year he was back in the mix as somebody who could be traded like it feels like Kelly. Oubre always is and now he in a a restart where the suns could break a ten year playoff drought. He's looking out for himself right. He's not going to be joining the sons for. Whatever possible Cinderella run. They could have I just wonder he's a little bit mad at the sons, and I wonder if Kelly Oubre is a guy who's not long for Phoenix after next season. It's possible because I think it was Arizona's sports I read said before the pandemic shutdown basketball, the sons had hoped Kelly oubre junior would return by the end of the regular season, which would okay. Let's say is early April whatever he'd play for a little bit. Now. We're in the late June. Not even playing bass won't late ally so yeah, it's like well. You thought it was something I guess could have happened in his knee. You know the Rehab and it went bad or something like that. That's a possibility, but it's probably more what you're saying. Trade the ladder of like. No, I'm going to worry about Kelly oubre junior. And the sons would have to win like. You know how many games they'd have to win. Like eight of ten teams, right? Let's say that, too. I'm including the game sweep of the of the number eight seed to get in to face the Lakers let me. It's not it's just not happening. It's not at all so and these are all really good teams down there, too so yup, Uber. Junior says no I will not be going. Maybe another reason yeah, like some of these sort of fringe teams like the Sun Wizard just cut from this whole experiment. It's possible I don't. I don't know I don't know. Another weird one here. ESPN the Blazers Trevor Aretha. Opting out of MBA restart 'cause he is committing to visitation with his son task. This one's a little different than a bertone's and Kelly oubre junior. He is opting out of Orlando to spend time a one month visitation window twelve year old son, who is involved obviously in a custody case over you. Do you terrific good for him? Yeah, stay home. Yeah. Like he's choosing a month of time again, his young son over what I guess he'd lose somewhere between a million and one point eight million depending, the blazers got into the playoffs news like yeah, yeah, not all the money in the world probably doesn't mean. Anything to him just for another month with his son, and and again in a very tough custody case, so yep, that's just You know we're. We're going to find out guess. We're going to get these over the next couple of days here, right? Would you say Tasos tomorrow is the deadline to decide that right Wednesday. Yeah, so there's GonNa. Be More because I. Don't know if you've been how close you've been following. The WNBA WHO's obviously going to be restarting soon. There's been a lot of like somewhat big names that are not even deciding to go down and try the restart of their season so. We'll we get more here in the NBA in the next couple of hours soon, we probably record finish recording this podcast at wnba players are staying home for social justice reasons because they have. They WANNA. They deem their time to be better spent in another area and Renee Montgomery of the Atlanta Dream Natasha cloud of the Washington mystics haven't had one of those yet in the NBA, and so that's a bit surprising, but these these two names. Besides? Lube Ray Dav bertone's Trevor Rees. Not huge names and And so. Everything's still going. You know according to plan with the NBA cording to their bubble plans. the closest. Maybe we've got a headline for what you were saying. Pass is the clippers Lou Williams. said he was fifty fifty on NBA, players returning I assume he's talking about himself, as well doesn't want it to be a distraction but again he will ultimately make that decision. By Wednesday to inform their teams of what they? WanNa do. We will find out? And that's the interesting thing about Burton's choosing not to be in the bubble was to me, was that immediately? The wizards basically came out and supported him saying yeah, we're going to be going after him. In Free Agency, this is finally understand his choice, Blah or one hundred percent here for you hopefully teams when like Lou Williams decides that he wants to use his voice for the black lives matter movement outside of the bubble. Hopefully, teams are right there ready to support their players making that choice, and just as quickly as they are for free agency reasons. All right our next headline from the Detroit News. Troy Weaver hired as general manager to help Pistons reach next level Leelee. It's official. Troy weaver GM of the Pistons. He had his press conference talked about Blake. Griffin and Derrick rose still being a part of their immediate plans here. He's got a lot of big things to figure out. They're going to have high draft. Pick on the CAP space. What do you do with those guys despite him saying you know, we want to keep them around. What's what's the first or big most important thing you think we've has to deal with the Pistons here well with the Pistons before we get into that I mean. mean he has done his time. He Roy Waiver. He has had an excellent career in the NBA a most recently under San, prestige there in Oklahoma City, and has all the credentials and I think that's what's great, because Troy, another black guy, and this is not just a tokenism sort of signing here from the Pistons which I think is really important. They've identified the right candidate. He's done his time. He's qualified and he deserves a chance like this. So I think that's fantastic for troy. And I think well I. mean the first thing I think he most important thing is you have to figure out what you're doing with? Blake Griffin I know again. He said he wants to be a part of these plans I. Mean that sort of standard talk during your first press conference? But if the Pistons are going to move forward and they're going to build around Blake, okay fine, but I know Blake's not the same player He. He was there in Los Angeles. He's still a good player, but he's certainly not the sort of guy you think is going to take your franchise to the next level anymore so whether or he decides to rebuild or to cash in on an to cash in on Blake Griffin in that sense that's going to be his most important decision. It's going to be hard to trade him. I think because he's still got a huge contract there. But Detroit's not a city. That's a free agent destination, so he's going to have to be creative. He's GonNa have to draft well, and he has a reputation in a record for making some good suggestions and picks there with the with the Oklahoma. City thunder note most notably, he pushed hard to draw Russell Westbrook way back in two, thousand and eight. And that is apparently one. That wave was was credited with really sort of sinus impressed the going. Get this guy, and he turned out pretty well, so he's a good. He's good credentials here, but this is not an easy task in Detroit. It's not easy has going to have to figure out how to make the city and this team attractive, and that hasn't been easy for anybody in the last few years, and in fact hasn't really been easily ever easy for anyone in Detroit because it's just not a place that plays Wanna go to imply so. I wish him all the best good luck firm on Fan I'm really happy that he's got this opportunity. How he makes the most of it now is going to be a great challenge for him, but I wish him all the success because I think he's earned this opportunity. Yeah, I mean you're right. He's got a big decision. Blake Griffin but a couple of things to that one. He's got experience. With big trades in Oklahoma City, I know Paul George and Russell Westbrook probably higher on a lot of other teams listen a Blake Griffin and lake, Griffin and older Blake Griffin. I get that, but he you know was a part of those deals right sending Paul George to the Clippers for all those young guys or s Django and Arina picks, and then later Westbrook for. For Chris Paul, and even more picks so there's that and I actually think he's stepping in I. Know It's Detroit. We always make fun of them. We always overlooked them. I couldn't believe when I read. That Detroit is one of two teams that have won a playoff game since the Oh eight oh nine season well, they've made the playoffs, but they generally get swept. The kings is the only other team. I believe that has won a playoff game in that long just wild, but this isn't a bad hand honestly to step in here. You've got like I said. I think something like the fifth best odds at the number one pick right now, so that could be even higher, potentially thirty million dollars cap space. You've already moved on from drumming. The previous. Organization franchise has already moved on from Drummond and ready Jackson so. There's there's decisions on Blake and Derrick rose, but it's not brutal to me. Tasse my ron being too optimistic with the Pistons and. Optimistic my man I I guess I guess what you're being optimistic in relation to the last few years. At least they're going in a direction. INSTEAD OF GOING TO A. Mediocre land where they get swept by the bucks, and and by the cavs before that I mean I can't. Even I can't remember another playoff run, but yet they get. Some of this is when when Blake was hurt and I think we've seen peak blake unfortunately. and. You know when they made the trade for Tobias Harris for Blake Griffin. It was. Hey. We're trying something, but you know it it. It came up to what came up to now. It's not getting any better at least at the very least. Yeah, they traded drama. They're going in that direction so good luck to troy weaver. Apparently they tried to get him in two thousand, eighteen, according to James Edwards on on the athletic, and they couldn't get him then, so they got him now and another black executive is is good for the NBA and. I read a quote about or a trajectory. About the Detroit Pistons, and how they're looking to go nowhere but up. There they can't go down from where they are right now, so so I. Yeah, True Weavers, probably a good man for the job and I I'm not really well versed in the assistant. General Manager Realm. I think none of us really. Know behind the scenes what he's done, but he's putting his time and. Ready to go so good luck to at least Tom Gores and and the Pistons have a direction this time. Yeah, what you mentioned task was surprising to me from that James Edwards. Article that the Pistons Wanted Troy Weaver in two thousand eighteen. They didn't get permission from the funder, so they didn't hire a GM. They just went with Ed Stefanski in our talent in their front office. which kind of explains why the Pistons have been a little bit lost over the past. Past couple of years, but it was also interesting seeing that dwayne Casey is mentioning that the team will be rebuilding and that they do have a clear direction because it feels like they do, but it also doesn't really feel like the Pistons have a clear direction until Blake Griffin has gone. You're not really rebuilding. If you're paying that much money to pass this prime superstar, you gotta get something for it, and that'll be interesting to see if troy weaver really does. Get the rains here to see if he's actually the guy who's the number one voice I remember when the ball signed Karnishovas and everybody's like this is going to change everything and it hasn't changed everything, so you gotTa. Let the guy do the job you hired him for. It will be fascinating to see if you can trade blake because he's got two years and. Seventy five million dollars or something like that on its contracts got player, option and twenty twenty one to yeah. That will be impressive if they can find something in return that they're excited, but they need they need to. They need to land damned draft. Pick to the. That's the truth and I'm not an draft grew, so I know it's not supposed to be a deep draft by any means, but they need to get some lock here. Jump up a little higher and. Get somebody that has the potential to put people in the seats eventually when you can put before the seats and to create a little buzz around this team. They need that so so desperately. Maybe. It is I. Don't know how good he's going to be as maybe lamelo right. You could see that at least. Getting some interest back in the franchise. We'll see if they should be wise. No, they should do what we've seen the grizzlies. The hawks do in the past with like all that cap space. If you can't be like a player like you said like to get actually someone just a straight up come. They used that to eat salary and also gain assets right, you know. Pick up picks here and they're taking on some bad contracts. Just, because they have the room, they definitely should explore that and that something weaver will do. We will find felt talk and Pistons baby got. All right we got more MBA. Headlines still do address, but before we do a quick word from our sponsor. Like most of you out there I've been missing hanging out with my friends during the covid nineteen quarantine the luckily a month ago, we found a great online game to help us stay connected. It's called World Golf tour WG Ta talked about it before. It's awesome once or twice a week. The guys in Iowa jump on zoom or facetime, and we hit the links to play against each other so much fun and Nora absolutely hates it, but this is a very realistic Gulf game. So you gotTa keep your composure out there. 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We'll play each other. Okay some Knicks News. We found out that they are now going to be interviewing Mike Brown. And Jason Kidd for their head coaching job that brings the Knicks coaching candidates list to ten eleven i. think something like that. There's been a lot of names thrown around but task. What do you think about these two latest in Mike? Mike Brown and Mike Woods I can't even keep track I think. They got both on their list, but it's my. And Jason Kidd are the latest. That's great. Interview Everybody Out there every month, let's see I can't think of another Mike Coach. To give an interview to Mike Miller their current coach. Oh Yeah. They've got three. Mike's on this list. I'm not even Kidding Mike? Miller Mike Brown Mike Woodson. Credit get them in I. Just don't care about the store until they. Hire somebody really. But. If you're hiring somebody like Jason Kidd for the purpose of trying to lure yes, that Gupo a guy that he coached with the Milwaukee Bucks and that's very shortsighted if that's the deal. But I completely forgot about that. Though you're right task, I remember when Jason Kidd was on his way out, he made a point of saying yeah, but Janas wanted to keep me around completely forgot about up. Apparently like after he learned about. Jason Kidd being a good basketball player. He said Oh. He played basketball. You're good. Yeah, I did some good things. Okay, then you can teach me to be a point guard like you maybe loves him. But. New York plus Jason Kidd does not equal. Yes gupo I mean. There's a lot of other things that would have to happen for him to go there so. Hire the best coach, but but hire somebody that can change the culture around that team and Maybe. It's Mike Brown. Guy Who's WHO's at least had some experience at. With with a great player and Lebron and they went to Golden. State has had a lot of experience in this league so. I wouldn't be upset if Mike Brown or another Mike took the the the rains in New York. Athletics Mike Another Mike Mike Volcano. Tweet the list of the known candid tear. It's Thompson, Middle Mike Miller Kenny. Atkinson, Mike, Brown email Yoka we'll hardy Chris, Fleming, Jomo, XLII Pat Delaney Michael Watson and Jason Kidd. Think that's eleven. Which is I guess? Team coaches yeah, cast the cast, your net wide here but I mean for the longest time Lee we've just been thinking. It's eventually going to be topped with Oh. Yeah, and maybe they're just you know. Maybe they weren't happy with the reaction to that news, so they're like Oh. Let's just keep interviewing other people and seeing. If People Like. Jason Kidd I would rather have Tom. I don't know. Who Do you think it's going to be ultimately from that list, or do you think it should be guess? Yeah, well well. I think probably going to go with you, but oh, because that's what it It sounds like they. That's they guy that's focusing on. I don't necessarily think he's the right choice. But at least they are casting the net here and I think even if it is just for updates, I think that's important for the Knicks. Rather than just decide okay, we're just going to hide the first guy we interview so. Mike. Brown had some success of course they win. Lebron was in charge in Cleveland. I made the finals and Brown was considered a reasonable coach. Who understood just? Go your best play. Let him dictate. Lebron James. Is. The same Mike just I'm just saying like. He understood at least like when you have the talent, you just have to focus around the extent. Have that talent right now? So that might go against Mike Brown, but if they hit Jaanus. Honest as a free agent, then why not tap? The Knicks, it doesn't really matter who coaches Knicks right now. They just simply don't have enough talent to compete, so it depends on what culture said. Are you want in there? Do you want someone who's going to be a disciplinarian and a hard guy or do you want someone who's going to be a little more communicated like doke? Perhaps he's got a good reputation coming out of. San Antonio so. Who knows but at least I think what is important here is the Knicks appear to be canvassing different coaches from different backgrounds and different experiences to at least get a better idea of what they want in a Karch. They should get just really creative and higher all right. Thank them all a couple of games. Let just have this have a coaching term. Hall of next season. All these guys just. Give them all five games each six games each. With Hey. Coaching survivor. Run. Yeah, they have to vote each other off each week. And whoever's last man standing gets kind of. The trade deadline. Good time to get in. We will see. Tasks I am with you at this point, I almost feel bad for including this I just like all right. Just pick your coach already. Okay? Like pick your coach. We can really zero in on that guy. Debate, the pros and cons of him coaching. Your New York Knicks are nick. Operative. Ellis has proven. This is working perfectly. These are names you've heard of so you're like Oh cool. The Knicks are doing a good job by talking to people I've heard it's that easy the bar. Is that low for the next. All you have to do is talk to somebody who played for your team once upon a time. The staff influence he's. Sign, listen just talked to a lot of people that'll keep people in depending on who twitter says you should. You should higher just high that dude. That's how it's GonNa. Work, yeah. They've got a nice mixture here though I. would say of like people coach names, you know the guys have been around for a long time. Former players and kit, but there are some names that I as I went through that list for Mike, Bork, enough like I was like who the Hell's Moseley. Delaney, isn't that guy on bone apetite like? There was a lot of names I don't even know who that person is, but by the way did you say Mark Jackson was on that list. I didn't think I heard his name and maybe. I did not say Mark Jackson. I. Think you're purposely doing I didn't say Mark Jackson Phil Jackson. Exit Jackson. Michael Jackson. A Ghost Michael Jackson and I was going to say one more. No I can't remember now. Anyway, Frank Jackson okay. Next. From the athletic sources, Klay Thompson cleared to train without restriction on his healed knee. Good News for Warriors, fans of looking ahead to next season because they won't be down there in the bubble. Klay, Thompson good go ask. Totally forget that These teams from the delete eight. The teams that aren't going down to Orlando are actually going to have. Training camps in the summer to make sure that they get get some runs in and not have to go basically like twenty months in between the twenty, nine hundred and twenty season, and then the start of next season, so klay should be go for that, which is the? Best portion of this news for me. Yeah, I took the same thing away from. It really does seem like a long time to not play basketball, and it's nine months off for these teams that are in the delete. They mention that clay is limited by circumstances because they just can't have ten players around to play five on five right now. At least makes a little bit of sense that you know. These teams that are to be out of the restart would want to do something because that's all year a whole school year. That's a long time to not be playing professional basketball. But for the warriors, Steph missed a lot of last season. Dream on didn't have a really good season so coming into next season whenever it starts, warriors should be fresh and ready to go, and they could easily be in the top two or three teams in the Western Conference. Next season if everyone is healthy again so good news I guess for them in that sense. Yeah, it's almost like you've got to remind yourself. This was a team that went to five straight finals. and. It's just like how exhausting that would be so to get like the ultimate refresh, because of you know sort of injuries with a lot of these guys, and obviously now the pandemic and shutting down to the season, all of that, and like extending that like yeah. Maybe that's exactly what they needed. As weird as that sounds. To come back and be his as talented as ever as great as ever with their star, guys in Curry Klay Dre if you. And, it'd be interesting to see if obviously coming back from injuries, but like what type of players Draymond Green still at this point in his career right was he just check out mentally and obviously on a bad team because of all the injuries. And, just sort of had a down year, and that's fair, and can you get right back to being dream on defense and stuff like that? With curry and Klay with everybody's healthy I mean I, think so still for a year or two at least, but we will see. Happy Happy News for the warriors fans there though final one. This is a good one. It's good headline USA Today cavs Kevin Love. IS ESPN's Arthur Ashe courage award winner for his efforts in addressing mental health issues This was an espy award. DSP's happen like. They did on Sunday night How they happened, but I believe they did, but he got this. Arthur Ashe courage award for again. For those efforts in addressing mental health issues I think. He gave something like half a million dollars to UCLA as well. Good news here to end this podcast with Kevin Love Getting Award and rightfully so yeah, and he gave a lot of credit to Demar Derozan for up for speaking out and basically saying hey, Demar, you spoke out, so that led me to speak out, and I think that's led to. A whole movement in in the NBA and and even down to Orlando the the NBA advised them to have a mental health specialist or an advocate or doctor of some sort on staff among their thirty five or Thirty five people at the bring down or at the very least have somebody that you can. Tell a doc. You can get online with and discuss a your issues of having a beaten down in Orlando for extended periods of time. So Yeah Kudos Kevin Love and the murderer to cut takes a lot of a lot a lot a lot of courage to do something like that and I think that's. For them to try and. Normalize that in the NBA I don't think they were trying to do that at first, but they have. They've. They've made it I think pretty pretty commonplace now for if we see somebody, speak out, it's it's just like Oh somebody speaking out. It's just sort of like part of part of the NBA now which is. Really really good news just going to say it's long been considered sort of a sign of weakness. If you say you have some sort of mental health issue, but to have NBA star players, and all stop plays out and acknowledge it I think it really does set. A new standard for people to say, it's okay, if you feeling down if you feeling you feeling yourself, and to not be shamed or embarrassed about it, and it's very important issue that so many people are dealing with around the world, and again to have some faces that we recognize some people who we look at and think well. You've got all the money in the world, and you've got all the stardom and find but that doesn't always necessarily mean that. You're always happy so very very important. Know to get the recognition here. Four Kevin love and I think I think that's important, because it's an ongoing battle and not one that anyone should feel that they talk to anybody about guys doing their partly said. Rosen and love to erase that that stigma around yeah anxiety and depression and stuff like that and being vulnerable for sure good stuff well-deserved should gave it to I should have done a co winner though I think you're right, give it a derozen and Kevin love their. Come on, come on. Over all right guys, we'll call it there with the headlines I'm sure in the next couple of hours or over the next twenty four hours or so there will a lot more, maybe in regards to players, maybe even teams for all we know. Addressing this idea of heading to Orlando because that's happening very soon or get locking your your personnel. Thirty five team personnel player personnel. We'll find out but tomorrow we'll hit the beach. Get three meals in no dunks at the athletic dot Com tweet them in. At No dunks Inc.. Jd before we go I just wanted to say. Your shared one of my favorite photos from the past couple of months. You and your boys Holding Yours kneeboard in your long boards, looking like the most bad ass. Group of Doyle's I've ever seen. So you look like you've got some got some reps in over the weekend. Some reps in no falls no foes. Days in a row been out. There hasn't been going very fast to be honest, but you know people are people are avoiding us. Just looks so. We just just like we we're. We're going through the park, which is basically empty, but you know people are sort of looking at us going. Is that old. With two kids united saying. WHO's that really cool guy? I de very much. Jay The helmet with your beer glasses meshes. Perfectly. I love the socks. Look new. Yeah, got to protect those ankles. I I. Look I look at that photo I dealt with. Say Damn wish though my dad. Saying. They've they've reached the age where they're basically, my roommate's now. That, I can. Do the dishes. Still the tallest member of the three men that I am. I left a helmet on for the. Lincoln the old Tallboy Lincoln. He doesn't have an instagram doesn't have a phone. Does he he they? He does have found, but we don't allow the social media not not before their twenty one as far as I'm concerned. Some good luck. Roommates. Pays all the bills. Good call, cool debt clipper pros. You heard here. I have a great time. turn-up. Love you guys awesome. Thanks for joining US and remember goat's to be milked by hands that they know. Today people. Hat. Expense.

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