11 Episode results for "Michael Union"
3Ms 2019 State of Science Index (w/ Jayshree Seth) and How You Can Name Jupiters Moons
"Hi, we're here from curiosity dot com to help you get smarter in just a few minutes. I'm Cody gov, and I'm Ashley Hamer today. You'll learn what the twenty nineteenth state of science index says about the global perception of science with a special guest the chief science advocate of three m plus you'll learn how you can have the chance to name one of Jupiter's newly discovered moons. What's newly discovered some curiosity today? We're going to dive into new data on what the world thinks about science, and our guest is Jay SRI state corporate scientists and chief science advocate at three m you know, the three m that manufacturers posted nodes and scotch tape. Plus, lots of other stuff their brand is science applied to life. That's why they just released the state of science index. Here's Jay street state with the details starting with what is the state of science index. It's a study to look at the global perception of science we did one in two thousand eighteen and we just released the twenty thousand nine hundred and essentially. It is a third party independent. Global survey that we commissioned fourteen different countries and thousand respondents each and we asked a whole bunch of questions about the science and the perception of science and expectations of science, etc. And it's a very interesting in two thousand eighteen we had forty percent of the people say that if signs didn't exist. Their lives would be any different. And so that was frankly, really shocking. So we decided to continue with this year and this year, we dug deeper into some of that to understand what was behind that in what is really meant without. And it seems like anything that signs is delivered in the past is not as important in his perhaps taken for granted. But everybody recognizes that science is important for tackling the problems in future. So for example, we have eighty seven percent of the respondents say sciences critical dissolving the world's problems on that. I think is a is a great way to under. Stand. What is going on is people have high expectations of signs and also understand that signs is critical for the future? But perhaps we haven't done a good job of communicating. What signs is already delivered in. That's why people say of science exists. My life won't be any different. What was also interesting is that eighty five percent of the people surveyed said that they know little or nothing about science in about the same number said, I wanna know more about signs over eighty percent people said that I wanna know about science from a scientist. I would trust them to give me the information. However, I would like for them to talk to me in a way that I can relate to my daily live to my, you know, understandable fashion, and and fifty eight percent said that they believe scientists are elitist and unapproachable if you will. So would I'm basically trying to do is paint a picture for you. As to what we're seeing as shoes in what we can do about them, clearly people. A wanna hear from scientists? But I think there's a communication issue there perhaps where we can address that by becoming better storytellers of explaining what we're doing in a way that people can relate to I think there gets to be a point where a lot of information doesn't do any good. I think it's the context in the information in the positioning alot, we're trying to do is also important perhaps just as much or even more. So so that what is being communicated is understood. So we're finding lots of nuggets in there where we can actually do something about it. So this this year, we dug a little deeper into that. I'm kind of curious how do you define science in this or do you define the term science Adele because that's such a broad category. Yeah. It's a good question. We actually did define the word signs exactly how it's defined as the pursuit of gaining knowledge in a step wise fashion design diffic- method in all of that. And I when I looked at it. I was like, well, wait a minute. That's why this happened. And that's why this happened. But still the word itself. What does it mean? And what image do people get what emotion it evokes in them? When they hear the word even that is important in a way. So after a lot of discussion, it was something to think about and I'm I'm honestly, I'm surprised when eighty five percent of the people say, I know little or nothing about science because I feel like, you know, it's not just scientists who know about science. You don't have to have a degree to know about science. I mean, in fact, in its most rudimentary form, I would think like baking is a science, you know. So it seems like people are easy to draw this boundary between then and science and scientists in all of that. And I kinda wanted to be a fluid spectrum where people are like, yeah. I know about signs, but I'm just not in a science professional. Yeah. I appreciate science. I understand the scientific method. But I'm not practicing, you know, or an engineer or things like that. So I think distance this distance. That we have created somehow needs to be, you know, literally obliterated because we want people to feel like this is something they can understand. It is something that they understand the methodology behind it. Because oftentimes people are shocked when a certain recommendation changes while if they understood that the scientific method works that way, you know, something and you make the best recommendation based on the best data that you can gather. As new information becomes available. You re do your hypothesis, and you regenerate data you come up with a slightly different recommendation. And it's not that we changed our mind. It's the data that has to be incorporated, a naturalist sound scientific methodology. And I think having that kind of sort of literacy if you will will help us all put things in perspective. I saw on the report the trust in science even dropped from last year and a lot of countries. So how'd that and what do we do about it? Yeah. That was one of the interesting things we saw that skepticism is not only at an all time. Hi, even rose last year. So part of me, again, we've had a lot of discussions around that because the data is what it is right in you can rationalize it. What I feel is. We are perhaps at a point of Flecha trust paradox. If people don't understand science than they can't trust it. And if they can't trust science, they don't make the effort to understand it. But everything is put into perspective when I see the the notion that eighty seven percents say, wow, scientists going to be crucial to solving world problems. So then it's like, okay. Yes. There is definitely that that collective strength behind that number that we need to keep pursuing those endeavors in making sure we bring people along and communicate in a fashion that makes it more approachable understandable in. It's not just about inform inform inform. It's about inspired about. Engage. It's about empathize. It's about empower. I think those things have to be part. Scientists will capillary and the role has to evolve such that have been good communicator becomes part of that because it's not just in a corporate environment environment. But it's also about communicating with the outside world that was three m corporate scientists in chief science advocate Jay SRI seat. She'll be on curiosity daily again tomorrow to help us understand how we can do a better job talking about science. In the meantime, you should check the index at three m dot com slash science index. The site is really interactive and fun to play around with and three m would love to hear feedback from curious listeners like you when more time that's three m dot com slash science index. Here's one great way to get involved in science name, one of Jupiter's moons. That's the thing you can actually do. Thanks to a contest being held right now by the Carnegie institution for science seriously. Remember last July when astronomers Scott Sheppard announced he discovered twelve new moons of Jupiter. Well, the naming process. For five of those moons is officially open to the public technically, the international astronaut Michael union gets the final say on the official name of any new celestial body that gets discovered, but the discoverer gets to suggest a permanent name and the union does give priority to those suggestions it's fair game to ask people to give you ideas, which is why Pluto got its name from an eleven year old girl. You can find our episode with that story on curiosity. Daily dot com, by the way, but there are still a lot of rules. You have to follow when you name a moon, you'll have to brush up on your Greek and Roman with all Aji for one thing since Jupiter is the king of the Roman gods and the analog to the Greek God Zeus, the moons have to be named after descendants or lovers of Jupiter or Zeus also the names of the moons that spin in the opposite direction as Jupiter have to end in an e and the names of the moons. It's been in the same direction as Jupiter have to end in a the name has to be sixteen characters or fewer, preferably one word. It can't be offensive in any language. It can't be too similar to. Any existing names of moons or asteroids, and it can't be the name of a person place or event that's mainly known for political military or religious activities got all that. All right. Once you have a name, you can tweet it to at Jupiter lunacy with a hashtag name, Jupiter's moons. And explain why you chose the name. They'll also accept suggestions in video format you have until April fifteenth to get your suggestions in good luck. In case. It wasn't already clear in in eligible name. Is Mooney MC moon phase? I don't think Jupiter had any offspring named Mooney MC moon vase. But you know, maybe there are undiscovered Roman texts. Zeus was quite the philanderer. It's true. Today's ad free. Episode was brought to you by our patrons. Thank you so much Michaela. Maze. Hayden fossey. 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"So let's do. We'll show you some stars. Hey, there listeners, welcome to another episode of Ohio today radio, I'm Pete sooner. And in this episode we're going to talk about space. That's Georgie birds and astronomy instructor who took a group of us on a little stargazing. Walk back in April. Let's start with the constellation. That is the all time favorite of everybody all the grandparents on the porch, point out to the kids, the big Dipper. Yup. There it is. Thank god. It's visually obvious. As it is so Kelly respect is here with me. Hi, kelly. Hey Pete, Kellyanne. I helped produce the show and for this episode because it's about space. We're going to go through all of this together so you ready Kelly. Yeah. I do not know a lot about space. I like space, but I really don't know a lot about, you know all the stuff that goes on space. That's cool. I'm right there with you. So, you know, listeners if you're there, and you're worried about this being too technical, please just stick with us on here, Kelly's here and we feel just as hesitant waiting into all this, but we're going to do our absolute best to make this as easy to understand as possible. So first, let's get back to that field with George. Okay. Let's do it. Fine the north star. You know, the big Dipper. Okay. She's the cake is go out to the end stars in the bowl. Connect those two stars with an imaginary line you keep away hits star here. That is the north star. It ain't that bright. Never was most people think it's the brightest star in the sky, and it's not, but it is the steadiest and most dependable star. That's because the earth's axis pointed at it and twenty four hours. Go by the entire sky makes a big circle, and that is the pivot point that is stall that never goes anywhere. So I don't know about you Kelly, but I just really about this stuff. And so this stargazing walk was just really a lot of fun for me. That's cool. But I have to ask, like, so what I mean, people have been looking up at the stars forever like what's so inviting about that? Yeah. Sure. I mean, it's a relaxing kind of experience, but that's a fair question. You know what's so interesting about that? And, and you're right. People have been looking at these same stars for well, really like as long as people have been around, and, and, you know, that's really kind of answer to your question. I think, oh, I think I see where you're going. Yeah. So, well, George really summed this up best these constellations. You see learning tonight. They will be there for the rest of your life. The fair. Climb out of the pyramids and take off their rappers. They see the same constellations. They knew forty five hundred years ago. There'd be some slight alterations basically star patterns are learning things. That's most long-lasting in the human experience. It's a nice thought, isn't it? Yeah. I like that. You know, like the night sky is the one constant thing in the landscape that we can see and know about, and we can kind of count on it, not changing. And it's just that unchanging thing and in many ways. It's that is kind of. Nice, right. Right. Well, you know, it does change in the, you know, the stars seem to move as the earth spins throughout the day. And then there are seasonal changes as well. But, you know, taking all those cycles into account. Yeah, not much has changed in the night sky for a very, very long time. Okay. I feel that there is a big but comes now. You know, I don't know. I just knew yes. Well, there's definitely a but, but, you know, maybe not as big a one as you think, since, really all that, about the night sky is true Georgia's. Right. The stars, we see from our backyard's really are some of the most dependable unchanging parts of the world around us. But that's because it's really just a fraction of a fraction of the stars in the universe that you can see from from your backyard. And when we look far beyond what we can see with our naked, I, you know, using big telescopes and things like that we see that the universe is actually constantly changing. It's a highly dynamic landscape with these massively violent, but incredibly beautiful events going on all the time. Events that shaped and continue to shape the very nature of the universe and are responsible in a way for life itself. That is what we're gonna talk about now. This is P and Kelly respect. And this is today radio. I'm a ranch. I'm an assistant professor of physics astronomy here, how university, so Dr specializes in what's called time domain astronomy, which is really just the study of things out in space that change quickly enough for human to notice. So if we want to talk about what makes the universe this vast changing landscape. He's our guy. So when you see events in the universe that happened very quickly over the course of days or weeks or months, that usually means that something interesting is happening. Those quick, events are called transient events, and they include things like super Novi or the explosions of stars at the end of their life. And usually involves a lot of energy in order to have something that we can see very by a large amount over that time. And so it's interesting. Because, you know, someone sitting on their back porch looking up at the night sky. It's very much permanent seeming. It moves the stars move, they rotate. But for the most part, things don't seem to change very much from our perspective. Yes. But if you go back to ancient times when you just had visualized Ronnie, the things that weren't constant were noted by ancient peoples as being special. So one example is the planets move relative, who stars another is whenever comet appears in the inner solar system that was treated as a, some sort of omen, good or bad. Yes. By and large the things that vary standout, and people have always noticed them. So next sort of hunts for these trains in events. And last summer, he caught one one that turned out to be very interesting for a number of reasons. So we're gonna spend some time today, talking about it. Just one of the reasons it was, so interesting was its name. So. It was discovered in June of twenty eighteen I survey called atlas which is scanning the almost the whole sky every day or two few days looking for asteroids, that could potentially impact the earth. That's their primary scientific goal. But they also as a matter of finding asteroids, they find other things that vary in the sky, and that includes many sorts of explosions, and supernovae and one of them was the cow. Oh my God. He'd he say cow. Yes, yes. The cow that is the name of the event, which was really just a big flash of light, about two hundred million light years away from earth that, you know, was not there one day, and then boom it showed hold on. Hold on. I'm still hung up on the name. Why did they call it? The cow did it like look like a cat. No, no. It didn't look like a cow, actually. It was just a matter of chance. The international astronaut Michael union has a centralized method of signing names to different objects. And so the way the names are given they're given by the year of discovery followed by a series of letters. So the first thing discovered in twenty nineteen point nine hundred a second one is twenty nineteen it's down to Z, and then once you go past z, it's then a ABC cetera. And then when you get z, then you go up to three letters, AA so forth and so. In two thousand eighteen it turned out that one of the most interesting transient events turned out to be the one that was randomly assigned the letters, c o w and so, of course, everybody started calling it the cow. So what was so interesting about this event? I mean besides his name. Well, short team is fairly certain. It was a supernova a star explosion that they were seeing that explains that big flashlight just appeared seemingly out of nowhere. But almost every aspect of this explosion was not like a typical supernova right away the thing that caught their attention, was that it got really, really bright really, really fast that rose and brightness by factor of a hundred within a couple days. And that's very unusually fast and hard to explain. So they really had a mystery on her hands. Interesting wants discovery was announced, we trained whole network of telescopes both on the ground and multiple. Case based observatories to look at this object from every wavelength from the x rays to the radio. And this was a huge undertaking, by the way, chore next team was literally writing some of the directors of these various telescopes to convince them to point their quit -ment at the cow all within a matter of days since they knew they needed to look at this thing really quickly. Okay. We'll then what was it? What was the thing? Well they still aren't one hundred percent. Sure. But they have a really good. Guess we cannot prove exactly what it is. Which is one of the interesting things, but we have several hypotheses all of, which are very, very interesting and would be the first of their kind. So the interpretation that my group favors is that what we saw was a explosion of star that was. That formed a central object, that we believed to be a black hole, and it had an unusually small amount of massive acted which allowed us to see the birth of the black hole in a way that we normally can't in these explosions. So what's the significance of that? If that's true. Okay. So to understand the significance of the couch and our interpretation, we have to compare it to what we already think we know about supernova explosions, general. Okay, so let's go back to square one. Then what is a supernova? Give us an overview. So there are a couple different types of supernovae, but the most common and the ones that are most relevant. Here are the explosions of stars much more massive than our sun at the end of their lives. So these are stars start off with initial mass more than eight or ten times, the massive our sign and at the end of the lives, they build up an inert core of iron, and they subsequently explode. So explains that all stars have a life cycle. They're born in these dense clouds gas out in space that are even referred to as stellar nurseries. And when that gas kind of coalesce into a star its own gravity, we'll get big enough to kind of kick start fusion. That's where individual atoms are compressed or they slam together with such force that they combine to form a new atom. So a different element. They fuse together. And this fusion creates a lot of energy, that's where the energy of a star comes from. And so, to expand on that our son is currently using hydrogen to helium in its core later points life will fuse, helium carbon oxygen. That's where it will end for this on the sun will form a what is known as a white dwarf star. With a mass about sixty percent that of which it started, and the remaining forty percent will be spelled interstellar space, it'll be blasted into the space in between the stars. And then our son will spend the rest of its life as a cooling Imber in the depths of space. But for these more massive stars the ones eight or ten times, the mass of our sun, they confuse beyond carbon oxygen, and they confuse all the way up to hire. And so few Zhen cannot go past iron on the periodic table cannot build up to heavier elements because to build to fuse to heavier elements, requires the input of energy, and so, because the star can't fuse past iron it builds up a massive iron core. That's just not doing anything into Santa center. The star we have the entire mass of the star sitting above this core. And so that's not a stable situation. Once the core gets big enough. And so once the core exceeds a certain threshold. It cannot support itself against its own weight. And then the core starts to collapse it forms. What is known as a neutron star or black hole, and the process of formation releases enough energy that the rest of star explodes. And when explodes it really explodes a supernova can be so bright. It produces enough light to be briefly as bright as one to ten billion Suns. Ten billion Suns. Yeah. These things are big, and they are bright. And so the cow event. What tore knocks all is one of these. Yeah. Exactly. But now that we have this general idea of, what supernovae are. There's just one more part of the story. We kinda need to cover before we get back to the cow. Okay. What's that? Well tournament said that when these massive stars collapse and caused these huge explosions. They also form one of two things either a neutron star or a black hole. You've probably heard of black holes, or, or at least have some idea of what they are. So let's talk about the other one, I neutron stars. Yeah, you're going to have to explain that one to me. I think. Yeah, so neutron stars as I understand them. Are these super dense objects out there in space, and they're made up of nearly entirely neutrons and tournament explains that? Their properties are really extreme because it's so compact. So when I say compact, I mean, something approximately the size of a city that it's something that is about forty percent. More massive than our sun. But compressed to about the size of a city, and that means that they're so compact at the protons neutrons, protons electrons, recombine to form neutrons. And that means they're very dense, but they're also spinning very rapidly and have extraordinary magnetic fields. Okay. So question if neutron stars are so small relative to regular stars, which are, obviously way bigger than a city. How do they even know that they exist? And how do they know that they are in the center of these giant explosions? Yeah, that's a great question. And it's a turns out evidence supporting all this actually dates back, nearly thousand years. So in the case of neutron stars, we have a lot, better direct evidence, neutron stars can be formed in the explosion. So one example, is with a thing known as the crab nebula, which is a large cloud of gas and dust about sixty five hundred light years away in the Taurus constellation, it turns out that around the in the year, ten fifty four Chinese astronomers had recorded the parents of a very bright star that appeared in that spot in the sky. And the star was so bright that it could be seen during the day for several weeks. But it's up to faded and this description really lines up with what we believed a nearby supernova would look like to the naked eye in the early twentieth century. It was determined that this crab nebula was expanding that if you compared photographs taken decades apart you could see a little bit bigger each time. And so if you did the very simple calculation of how big is this nebula and how fast is expanding activities? You how long it's been since explosion occurred, and it was about nine hundred years earlier perfectly matching up with the reports by those Chinese astronomers in ten fifty four this nebula, then was subsequently studied in great detail, and after in the mid twentieth, century after discovery of radio waves is founded, there was a star near the center, this nebula that was rapidly flashing that is it was rotating thirty times. Per second. So we could see a light, blinking on and off thirty times per second. And so what we think is going on. Is that that light is associated with the neutron star in the center? And the reason they know it's a neutron star is really because of how fast it's spinning. Yeah. Thirty times per second. That is so fast. Yeah, I told you the, their properties were extreme, basically, there really isn't any other kind of object out there that could move that way, without being one of those super dense neutron stars. If you're tried to rotate our son that quickly, it would just fly apart. It's like if you take a ball of pizza dough and you spin it too fast it'll fly off. So that's one of the best pieces of evidence that the supernova explosion that occurred almost thousand years ago, left behind not only exploding nebula, but a single compact object, which is the neutron star. Okay. So. You wanted some proof that these relatively tiny city size objects can be created in supernova explosions. So what do you think? I mean was that enough? I mean, yeah, I think so it's still seems a little circumstantial, though, would it surprise you then to hear that this line of evidence around the crab nebula, and these Chinese astronomers and this spinning object, that this is sort of as good as gets when it comes to proof about what's left over from supernova. Yeah. You know that just seems so weird to think about it just seems like so often, we not we but other people astronomers talk so confidently about space. You just assume that they have this definitive proof. Yeah. Well, I got news for you. Because when it comes to the other outcome of a supernova explosion that a black hole might be created. The evidence is considerably more limited. Oh, great. Yeah. But let's get back to square one with black holes first black holes are a prediction of general Titi, that, if you compress matter, eventually, compress, it enough, that light can longer scape Albert Einstein made this prediction, when he formulated, his general theory of relativity, that the pass of that the locations of stars located behind the sun would be affected by the presence of the gravitational mass of the sun. And so, in nineteen nineteen two expeditions were made to South America and Africa to observe. The Sandra solar eclipse, and so during an eclipse, you can see stars when the sun is blocked out obviously, and what they did was. Is no Twitter. Some of the stars close to the sun appeared during that clips. And then looked at those same stars six months later when the sun wasn't in the picture and just compared to observe Asians. They found that the locations of stars were distorted because the Paz's of light taken by these distant stars around the sun, we're bent. And this matched the predictions of Joe relativity. And that's what made Einstein household name. So if you just crank up the gravitational field you get to a point where not only as the light path bent, but the light can no longer even escape. And so this is the defining characteristic of a black hole. So explains that at this point black holes were really just theoretical. They were mathematical curiosities he called them. But in the early twentieth century during the same time, astronomers were looking at that crab nebula and tracing its origins back nine hundred years more and more people started studying what happens when these massive stars collapse. So these neutron stars were known to be one outcome. But later, it was determined that there was a maximum mass than you start at have of around two to three solar masses to three times, the massive our son. We don't know exactly where that boundary is even today, there's some, hints and people can argue about it. We know it's more than two because we see two solar mass neutron stars these models all predict that. There's a maximum mass. And so if you were to pile more matter onto neutron star, eventually would not be able to support itself under its own gravity, and then it would collapse. And so then the question is what else can happen. And the conclusion is that the neutron star if you keep on adding stuff onto a neutron star. It will collapse the form a black hole, and so Kelly. This theory was just tossed around without much supporting evidence until the mid nineteen seventies with the development of x Ray astronomy, which allowed astronomers to see x. Ray sources out in space for the first time and what they found or these star systems where you have to stars sort of an orbit together called binary systems. Oh, that's like Star Wars where they had to sunsetting same time. Yes. Yes, tattooing the fictional. Planet was in a binary system. So, so, yes. Think of those two sons from Star Wars and. A few of these systems instead of two stars. They actually saw just one that looked sort of like he was getting pulled apart, and they hypothesize that there was a black hole where Sar used to be a companion star used to be, and that black hole is now pulling matter off the remaining star, and when that happens a bunch of x rays are emitted, which is what tipped off these strana mors. What was happening and so we can sort of connect the dots from seen binary stars to seeing the black hole and its companion. So it's an evolutionary statement. It's sort of, like if you looked at human population, you saw some babies Semillas people, some elderly, you can connect the dots and say what they have to evolve from one into step to the other as the age. And so that's what we have to do with stars because stars have lifespans are much longer that of a human, and so you can. The baby ones. You see stellar nurseries to the middle aged ones that we see all around us, like our son to the leftover remnants that we see, for example, in these black holes so that does require making an inference that you can't connect the dots and it doesn't mean that there's a direct evidence that any one of these black holes actually formed through a stellar explosion. It just seems like the most parsimonious explanation. So how do we know supernova can produce a black hole? Everybody sort of thinks we understand that, but the mount of direct evidence has been lacking. And so that's where the cow comes in a cow finally, yes. I told you we'd get there. But just to recap that last part real quick the best evidence, we have answering the question how do black holes form in the first place is really just highly circumstantial evidence there objects out there behaving like how we think a black hole would pave that is, you know, pulling matter off another star, in star systems that likely once had binary stars but one exploded leaving behind a black hole. So let's rewind and go back to what next team found about the cow. So the interpretation that my group favours, is that what we saw was a explosion of star that formed a central object, that we believed to be a black hole. So if that's right. Because you said it's still a guess. Right. Yeah. It's their interpretation. They don't know one hundred percent. But if they are right, then this is the missing link, right? Yeah, it seems like this is the piece the Veneto to kind of fill in the picture of evidence. It's like a missing piece in jigsaw, puzzle. They could tell what, what was missing. And maybe had some clues about its shape or, or what it looked like, but it was still missing. Okay. So I still have to ask this question. How do they know this about the cow how they get to that conclusion? Well, as we talked about this event post a bit of a mystery because it just didn't look like other supernova explosions. So the initial thing that we saw that was. Was highly unusual was the light curve as seen in optical telescopes that rose to maximum brightness within a matter of a couple of days. So from non detection to almost peak brightness was about two days, and that's very unusual then faded, very quickly and faded, very quickly, meaning just days and those two facts, combined to me that the amount of mass in the explosion had to be very low that much lower than normal supernova, a few tents massive our son instead of ten times, the mass. The, the temperature Evelyn was also highly unusual in that it was very hot. Very blue. Lots of ultra light produced and did not really fade. Temperature did not really decrease as rapidly as we expected, it sort of stalled about fifteen thousand Kelvin instead of cooling to around five thousand, and so that's a big difference from us for us, and it's something that's highly unusual and requires some ongoing input of energy. So the question was, what was keeping this temperature high, where was this ongoing input of energy coming from, and they found the answer by looking at the explosions, x Ray emissions and the x rays were both highly variable, which implies that they must be omitted from very compact region. In order to be highly variable. If you have a mission over a big region, it gets washed out in time. And so. You don't have short timescale variations. So the mission the rays was highly variable, and the spectra were unusual and unusual spectra, most closely resemble those of black holes in binary systems that are creating material from a companion. And so that is unprecedented for this sort of explosion, which we interpret as being the actual direct view of the engine that we don't normally see in a normal explosion. All right. Just to clarify a couple points here. Because some of that was a little technical. Yeah. That'd be great that last point about an engine. That's the term for an object at the center of the explosion in this case a black hole, and what do they call it an engine will because it seems to be in inputting energy into the blast area for lack of a better term even after that initial explosion. And so that explains like traffic said, why it didn't cool down as they would expect to just kept kind of remaining. Hot, the other reason they call it in is because honestly they aren't one hundred percent shirts black hole. So they're kind of hedging themselves a little bit there. But it seems that what happened was you had sort of a small amount of mass blown off of star. They think it could have been a blue giant. But they really aren't sure about that. And in that explosion, a black hole was formed out of that. Collapsing core. Then as that material moved outward as it was exploded. Some amount fell back into that black hole in so all of these conditions just had to be perfectly, right for them to see it. See into this explosion. Yeah, yeah. Because there was far less stuff being blown off those xrays telling signs could penetrate through that big cloud created by the explosion travel, the two hundred million light-years earth, and be observed by tourneys team. Okay. I get you. Well, yeah. And what's more, and this is sort of my favorite part? Is that it's believed black holes form from supernova all the time. They aren't sure, which ones create black holes in which ones, create neutron stars. But, you know, the ideas that happens often, right? What I like about the cow is that it wasn't that they just saw it and said, oh, hey look there's a black hole being created. Let's point much telescopes at it, it was just weird. So they studied it, and it wasn't until they really analyzed all the data that they realized, oh, the very things that made this weird and got our attention first place are also the things that are allowing us to witness the thing we've been wanting to see the creation of a black hole. So it was really just a matter of chance. That's right. I mean, it was really just luck we got lucky. And now we think we finally have this big missing piece of evidence supporting how we thought black holes are created. It's crazy. And you know, it is to be honest. The more I dug into kind of hard science of all this with chore knock. Honestly, the more I kept coming to philosophical questions rather than technical ones, I can see that. I mean I wonder what people like think of all this, you know, in philosophical terms like what keeps them up at night. What are they asking? Well on that point, I don't know. Do we do? We have time for just one more question. Oh, yeah. I think so, okay. Because I asked him that very question. So the most amazing thing about supernova explosions as general phenomenon. Not just the cow is that they are the sites that production of the auctions Uber. Your carbon based life form all those reformed in the carrier massive star and would not you would not exist if not many generations of stars have been born and died and enrich, their environments, such as that. Subsequent generations of stars could form out of this enhanced material and therefore. The fact that this process had to happen in order for us to exist is pretty profound. I think that we're just working out the details of how it occurs, but some of it had to have occurred for us to exist. Even see it that you could imagine tweaking the laws of physics in such a way, so that the stars at the end of their lives. None of them ever actually splendid, they all collapsed down to a black hole. And, and if the laws of physics were slightly different and the balance of gravity and fusion, different. That's what would happen. And so actually this connects to a class of philosophical arguments that astrophysicists have cosmological, particularly call the anthra- pic- anthropic principle that why do laws of physics, you know, the strengths charges of electron masses of electrons, protons their strength of their interactions. Relative strengths of interaction of electromagnetism versus gravity? It's why do they have the values they do? And one of the philosophical questions or answers is well, if they were much different from the way they are. We would never be able to form complex life in the history of the universe because stars claps the foreign black holes or stars never four or something like that. And the primordial soup of hydrogen helium form the big bang, would never form more complex Adams. So people can't take that as an argument for why laws of physics have to be within the sort of rough regime in which we live, because beings, like us would not be around to. Perceive that the universe is like that, and study it, so I'm not a strong believer in the anthropic principle, but at a weak version, yes. Yeah. So many people are made deeply uncomfortable by these sorts of arguments. But I think that is actually a big philosophical debate, and cosmology, that comes up well beyond, you know, explosions of stars or anything that high study, but. One of the big worries. When recent studies of. Subatomic physics and things like string theory, which you may have heard of is that there are effectively almost infinite possible number of combinations. And why do we live in the university? We do why the answers is because we're here. Again, I take a weaker view of that, but it is sort of uncomfortable that we can we can we can determine what the laws of physics with our, but it doesn't mean that we have any understand why say, the massive electron has to be what it is. Just just some constant that appears in the equations, and boom use it and it works. He while. Yeah. With all our talk today about proof and all the work researchers like chore. Not put into moving down that road of understanding, you know, sometimes with, with what just seem like these tiny incremental steps. There will always be bigger questions. More pieces to fill in the puzzle. I don't know. Kim can we leave it there? Is that is that we're place to end? Yeah. I think it seems appropriate leave it right. Where we all are on the edge of understanding with a little bit of knowledge and a lot of questions. All right. Thanks to hire university, Ryan shortage, or through all this, and to George berz for the great stargazing experience, we had in this episode was produced by U, P tuner, and you Kelly respect. And it's always a big. Thank you to WB studios in Athens where this was recorded and to Adam rich sound, engineer and all around awesome. Dude. Thanks, everyone for listening professor neck would probably want me to remind everyone at this point that there is some non zero chance that they're entirely wrong about all this. That's just how it goes. With speeds, the hair are endless possibilities. Unless it's just aliens yesterday that have most papers and to all of this unless just. We try not to say that out loud.
Does the SNP have its priorities straight?
"Just before you start listening to this. podcast reminded that we have a special subscription. Her he can at twelve issues with the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon Voucher. The GO-TO YOU SPECTATOR DOT com forward slash voucher. If you'd like to get this offer. Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shots. Spectators does daily politics podcast. I'm Katie Bulls. Lebron James to Siphon Phrase Nelson had prime minister's questions today but the most striking my mouth to session in did not come from the prime minister all anything Jeremy Kuban said instead. It was news relation to the speaker. Lindsey Harlan have. He plans to run things James he he is suggesting. And you just explain it to us and what it means intensive procedure going forward so right now in a government department if the permanent says Minister I really this is is a good idea and the scheme does not represent value for money or is a bad idea. Michigan's I still won't proceed at which point opponents say I would like to request a written written ministerial direction to that effect. I'm dozens put on the record. The permanent secretary did not agree with the decision of what it was a bad idea. What Lindsey Hall is saying saying that as speaker he will give the Clark of a House of Commons for sane power so if he takes decision that breaches the Clark's think goes against all of the standing orders of a house over long standing conventions for house? The CLARKSVILLE comments can do that and they can a letter Commons library. Explain that decision. How what this is is an implicit rebuke of John Burke because if you cost your wind back to that kind of pre election period when how comments was trying to Fort Worth Brexit exit that and before trees May that was various procedural innovations of even if you call them by John Burke and this very strong rooms in Westminster wars the clock had advised against them burke had preceded anyway? What Lindsey Hall is saying? Is that from now on. If that were to happen there would be a way for the public. MP's to know about on a record of our decision phrase it it seems they Lindsay Hoyle has changed the way that the comments since John Burke as rain we now have prime minister's questions last roughly half an hour. Do you think it's a positive thing that in a way is going to be harder to change Preston or descibe great to scrutiny for it. Oh massively so I was actually actually though after the burke who tobacco the WHO'll the rule of speaker would have to change the person who runs the House of Commons would have to be separated from the press. New Cheers debates and at the power speaker would have to be constrained by the government government. And it's a shame to basically go through all of its constitutional rewriting simply of misbehavior of one speaker. John Burke the first really league abuse his position as power in such a way for for a long time but now seems that this might not be necessary that Lindsay Hoyle is recognized the damaged onto the credibility ability of parliament and the chair vice predescessors behavior. And if he can come up with these tweaks I think the very fact that trying demonstrates that he isn't going to be Berko like figure and that's why the constitutional change won't be needed. I mean the funny thing about the House of Commons is so much of it as little as medieval with the men in tights. It's more heavier. And that is because these protocols and the unwritten laws and the lack of advocation has served our democracy pretty well over the generations as yielded the most responsive democracy probably in the Western world. That's why there's not a single populist in this parliament's where there are populists in every other parliaments every other member state and it looks like the after Berko abused for me. They were now going back to the status anti and in Lindsay Hoyle a former Labor labor. MP You've got somebody who all parties in the house will be able to trust now away from Westminster into the Scottish Parliament. That's been an interesting in debate for discussion today James The UK is leaving the year on Friday and Scottish Palm. It had been discussing. Flax yes is is the the governing body has had because the UK. Wouldn't it be nobody you authored I. January has gotten potter UK the EU flag will no longer. I'm GONNA fly outside. Hollywood spun the SNP Classic Gesture Politics wanted to carry on flying as a sign that an independent Scotland would rejoin in the EU. And so today there's been a very heated debate in parliament about this. You've got SMP and the Tories predictable science. You've got them saying well. Hang on a second yet. We all remain. But if the palm and overturned the decision of a governing body which is meant to be a kind of meant. We can alms link for non-political vatsend that sends a very bad signal so just another classic example of the the way in which the SNP fine way continuously to keep constitutional constitutional questions on the fours. Rav Focus on their domestic record which is really nothing to write home about Fraser. We've had Nicholas Sturgeon and senator request to Boris jump in for a second independence referendum to no-one surprised that was denied Nicholas Dutch and has suggested she is now waiting. Not Biding her time and she revealed the next steps do we have any sense to what the SNP planning when it comes to pushing the case independence. Save the next few months well. They've got the various tricks that a can pool. For example they can have another vote twenty in the independence this referendum. The last had one in two thousand seventeen past if you get the Greens with the SNP it would pass. Again is pretty futile. Vote because at the prime minister's there's already said that they're not going to get a referendum now you could also have a consultative referendum. Of course there's no such thing. This means a pretend one like the catalans blends did of course if you have a pretend referendum than the unionists simply. Don't take parsonage the thing of the Catalan pretend referendum. You had something like forty three percent turnouts and while the result was obviously overwhelmingly in favor of Catalonians pendants. It had no authority whatsoever. My sense is that Nicholas Sturgeon realizes. She hasn't go along left a matter of weeks. Before the Alexandersson's trials stars and when that happens I think it'd be a lot harder for an her. You too Leeann stunts like this and also let's not forget. The Scottish public opinion does not want another friend and those are the last pool I think had them. Forty six percent of Scots. Say we didn't want to forty two percents of they did and in Britain as a whole is an even bigger majority. So it's not as if Scotland is chomping at the bit dying trying to get another referendum out. BNP wanting this but most scots simply don't and the longer they keep on banging on about a cause which mascots are uninterested. Listen I think the greater the Ilya Nation in the worst will be for them in the next Holyrood Elections James E as leaving the EU. On Friday and it does complicate indicate the case for Scottish independence to the point that she summoned the SNP. Seemed to be emitting. Is Alex Neil. SMP espionage he is. It's unusual beast. He's the only smp parliamentarian who voted for Brexit or has said that he was for Brexit and the PC's was in today. I think is quite persuasive. which it says this is? SME has to draw idea of rejoin the EU because if that is its position given the UK government's desire to leave a single market and the customs union you you would be talking on economic board between Scotland and the rest of the UK and his views that will make independence unsellable in any referendum on. I think wall in the undoubtedly doubtedly since two thousand sixteen brexit has boosted the. SMP's case they have had this argument. But you know you told in two thousand fourteen. The only way I got to be sure of staying in the he he used to vote no to independence to stay in the UK and now the U. K. has leaving the EU despite the fact that most people in Scotland voices remain once brexit happens. It does complicate the case for independent attorneys. Tell you that you know. There's a reason why the S. and P. Center generation making the case for independence in Europe. And if you you think back about two thousand fourteen campaign sants to almost any question about how independents work would be to say but both Scotland and all UK would be members Mississippi. You and baffled insinger walk. I'm in the customs union with no barriers to trade between the two Fraser. It feels as behind the scenes. There are seven the SNP who Asahi frustrated frustrated at the fact that studying hasn't done more to as best position the case full independence. Taking tick out new circumstances Mrs. She's in Fatty Choir on details what do you think the SNP should be doing. I take one independence. But if you're in that she is you know I do have a hard time putting myself in the SNP shoes and as you say the two tribes Alec Neill we're just talking about is a great man really talented politician but he has always been what was cooled back in the pre nine one one days fundamentalist Inza Varzi wanted to go straight for Scottish independence without skipping evolution and he thought it was just a trap to ensnare the SMP and the administration of the United Kingdom. So you've always had people like him wanting to just go for it. Just skip all this game playing and just make a bid for freedom. Then you'd Nicholas Jersian who thinks to herself. I have to be pragmatic here. I have got a movement of people who are traveling. Hopefully and especially at the keep on traveling traveling hopefully then arrive because if I have a referendum and I lose it and there's GonNa be game over is going to be like the Kwa after two referenda you feel to. Them is very difficult to revive the movement so Nicholas Sturgeon wants to keep stringing this along and she's got so many scots many members of my family now who are really enthusiastic members. They were radicalized by the brilliant campaign the SNP four and two thousand fourteen and they are kept alive by the idea that independence we just around the corner. Now how do you keep them. Thinking that through the Alex Salmon Trial and beyond you basically do not bring it to a head. You make out as if you're just desperate desperate for a referendum if it wasn't for eggs and you always think of a new x Wayans ed now that's Nicholas Urgence plan. The likes valid. Neil are growing impatient with this and and I think we can expect these tensions to increase because let's face it. You can't keep these people being strings strung along indefinitely. You would argue. If I was a Scottish nationalist list I would say look we've just had brexit we've had the UK rest taken away from the EU. Without the consent of the Scottish people. Set aside the fact that two and five skulls purchase exit being is a pretty good causes belly right now and if you don't see them this moment than what movement you ever going to seize on so thing Alec Neill is doing the right thing from his point of view by also think Nicholas Sturgeon in stream. People along is doing the right thing from her point of view. Now finally James. If you speak to minister they will tell you that. The best way to avoid second independence referendum in Scotland is to make sure that the SNP don't when I read majority in the Scottish Parliament elections in twenty twenty one in the buildup to that we're starting to be expecting. The government. Seen start to push their pro union message does as a campaign planned. What should be helpful? So I mean this drug summit that's going to be held in in Glasgow's is a sign of what it's going to be. It's attempting to enact stuff independent emphasize emphasizing. The kind of shared concern in the Union drugs is also an area where the SNP domestic record. The government in Scotland record is very porous devolved area. You'll see that often one complication here. In terms of the BREXIT talks fishing has to be sessile before we twenty twenty one hundred elections if Boris Johnson ends up striking deal which the Scottish fisherman's federation dislikes example but we will considerably increase. The tones is all of the SMP be to get that majority in twenty twenty one. So I think that is a problem. I think one of the things we're going to see is also an attempt to promote the Social Union Union. So something designed to help. Scott students go to English universities at the moment because students get a Scottish universities pay fees but if he comes south of the border they do have to pay fees so so something or something like that. I think and very visible offense to to to emphasize the benefits of a union in terms of UK government investment in Scotland potentially quite of Mile Jin Michael Union dividend schemes. Like that I mean for example. Scotland is now the worst part of the UK in which to be bright and pure because your chances Geena university are far lower in Scotland. Many are in the rest of the USA. Captain places you have governed places I mean when you give Free University Komo's tuition and fees that means rationing rationing. Means a wish for shortage of supply that means far fewer kids get in and also Jewish and fees are massive subsidy for the middle class us. The English system is far failure. I mean why should if you forked out. Twenty grand a year for private school. Why on Earth should the government pick up the bill for your university education or even to be honest to 'em subsidize that Unifem that capital nine grant or in these guys should pay for every penny of the cost of their education? But that aside I would quite want like scheme that would actually help B. Scott who were denied the opportunity of University Education Scotland to get it in England and there must be something that's the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom can do for those deprived of the opportunity by postcode lottery by just thank happen to be educated in the Scotland with a deeply regressive education pulsa. Thank you phrase. Thank you James Yeah.
Ep. 525: 100 Years of the International Astronomical Union
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Well, also, did you survive all the excitement yesterday? It was a great day for people who are not don't know. We're talking about literally everything happened yesterday. Rockets. Relaunched lunar orbits were arrived at. Asteroid was hit tank weapon, which was great. What a great use for anti tank weaponry. Take more of that plea. Yeah. Exactly. So. Solar system more of that coming. So you just stay in line. So yeah, no. It was a great day. And and now other stuff too. I just saw that the put down a date for the Knicks falcon heavy launched. It's going to be soon like within the week. So it's gonna be it's gonna be a crazy week. Actually. I'm utterly overwhelmed. Right now, people may have noticed haven't got simply newsletter out yet because I just have so busy. But it's it's it's almost ready. It'll go another like couple of hours. I was at my keyboard for sixteen hours yesterday as annuals that I took turns live streaming all of the events line on twins Catholic. Absolutely amazing, and I I have to brag a little bit. So I love so much working once again, a like rock solid. We do science organization. I I haven't done that since I worked at Harvard. I've been at places that focused and communications education and undergraduate education, and I'm back. And so there was a quiet little does anyone know how to do this thing and stuff at the command line to fix the formatting of a whole bunch of files. And I was like, yeah. You just need to write software to footy foodie FU and the person who was working on high a booster, and they needed to convert a whole bunch of files was like help. And so last night in real time while everything was happening. I got to help by just reading a stupid little snippet of of code, but people at high. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. To make a science people. I got to make us lions. So so you saying like, thanks to the planetary sciences toot for giving you a home that you get to do science on on an occasional basis. Yeah. That's amazing. And more to the point. I get to science with a whole bunch of other people instead of being like the person over here making science while everyone else is doing other things it was it's awesome. Here we go even though they might be scattered around our planet. Astronomers have a way to come together to work the issues that face their entire field of study, it's called the international astronomical union. And they're the ones who work out the new names for stars. And sometimes depleted beloved Kuyper built objects. Oh, man, people have that love hate blade ship with the I eight you which is the international stra nominal union. Where do you wanna start one hundred years win win? Is there hundredth birthday? Well, it it was formed in in twenty nine team. And one of the ironies that I ran up across. So it doesn't feel right. That's the sorry. Fugard fugard. It was formed in April of nineteen nineteen. But I haven't been able to find an exact date. But here we are. It's April Awani nineteen the organization is now a hundred years old. And it seemed time to talk about this organization that everyone seems to have a strong opinion about and the either love it or the hate. It hate them. Autre Liam biv lint. Okay. So I think I can really bring, you know, all I know is my gut says, maybe. And for full disclosure. I am a officer within the I you and I've also served as the editor in chief for their conference newspaper. All right. So. So what is the I you? So the issue is the governing body for astronomy internationally. They are the folks that right up the policies on how you name things whether it be craters on a planet moons orbiting a world world's orbiting other stars stars themselves. They are the folks that work to define when we are by defining time itself, they work with United Nations to help define world heritage sites that have either dark skies aspects to them or are part of astronomical world heritage and more than that. They're an organization that spends roughly half of their budget to try and use astronomy to develop our world. So now you mentioned. A couple of things that they do course the naming and the nominee glaciers and the name in the general name ary. But that's just one small piece of they do, right? But but and we can go into the naming machine at some point. So names, how do they generally push? I guess the. The field of Ronnie across the world. Well, in general, the international astronomical union is committees. All the way down the are are working groups that are part of commissions that are part of divisions. And the the idea is basically have a pyramid scheme of distributing the work out. So that we can bring everyone together affectively in a ideally diverse environment to deal with all the different problems faced within our field. And this was actually part of its core. When the I- I formed back in nineteen nineteen the motivation was the top elite. Astronomers around the world had for actually say in their history centuries been sending letters back and forth. One another collaborating had been gathering whenever they could in various cities, generally across Europe. But there is no. Professional organization that really was in use to set down guiding ideas, we had somehow as a planet settled down on Greenwich England as the zero point that was mostly a political world domination kind of bang. They wanted to have more of a scientific organizing body and the key problems that they were looking at was how or key problems were how do we define coordinate systems? How do we define time which is part of coordinate systems? And how do we name all the stuff and things both by classifying them? So how do you classify after it? How do you define a planet? What is a keeper belt object? And then what you name them individually. So is that world going to be called, George or is it going to be called urine us, except that was made before the I was thing. It's true that kinds of decisions. And this is where it comes down to. When are we? They actually are one of the organizing groups that figures out when we need to add leap seconds to our time. And that's kind of awesome. That's cool. Enough comes from the astronomical union. It comes in collaboration. So there's there's time association, which is working with the. Oh, interesting. Okay. So then now, you what was the last meeting of the I you. It was last August. It was the VM meeting in twenty eight teen and among the things that came up was the fact that yes, this is the one hundred anniversary and while we were at the meeting, and we talked about this earlier in Toronto cast episode. We took on things like I is it just the Hubble law or is it the Hubble of the Monterey law. And I know I'm this pronouncing French and so many apologies. Yes. Was the was the was the one. Yeah. And and. That we also redefined some coordinate systems. And there was of course, a look at what our upcoming international initiatives that needed to be worked on in. The decision was made that joining the suite of we have language centers around the world that are working to translate astronomical texts into multiple languages. We have the office of strana me for development in South Africa. The office of strong outreach in Japan. We are going to be competing and selecting a office for astronomy education, recognizing that. Hey space is a great way to get people dictated disci- and that was the one that was in Vienna. And the previous ones they happen. Every four years there every three year ever trying him right? And said this one was in a as I said it was in Vienna. The prior one was. In Hawaii prior to that. It was China prior to that was Brazil prior to that was Poland. Yeah. That one. Yeah. The one in Poland. So you missed the one in Poland. That of course, was the one nineteen ninety three no two thousand six thousand six when Pluto lost planet hood. But I had a really good excuse for not being there. Right. I kind of on my honeymoon. And my husband does sometimes actually take precedence over astronomy conferences. Although I had missed many of our anniversaries to tend subsequent ICU me. Right. He's he's cool of it of so, right? Okay. So so that was one obviously very controversial. We've done multiple episodes on how it went down the fallout the ongoing attempts to air grievances. And he'll the. Deep wounds between the Pluto, it's and the non blue towards the planet in the non planets. Some day. Allen stern and Mike Brown will reach some kind of agreement now and be able to just hug it out. I can't wait for that day. But until then, you know, the point is that that there are all new objects being discovered we are pushing the boundaries of what we know about the universe and about the solar system every year new discoveries are coming down the road. And there needs to be a way to digest. This information to seminated across the world to to all these Toronto is working on it and new ways of working together. So it's like the glue, the the international clearinghouse of ideas. Yeah. Like, you know, standards ways able to minimize the amount of pre-negotiation ago. Alright. So what is this thing? What systems we have to use? What time codes should we use to communicate? This thing. How many seconds are there in a year a way to come to agree on those things? So and and this goes so much beyond. Just astronomers the international astronaut Michael union is they wouldn't use this phrase. But I think the best analogy is it's a lobbying organization in terms of there are international agreements on what parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, thou shalt not used for commercial purposes because we need to use them for science. And it is the I a you that is in many ways working to push those international treaties forward. It is the I you that is a starting place for finding all your new best friends that you're gonna building multinational telescope with and by having someplace that can serve this international motivation. I it it helps a lot of ways to make the world a little bit smaller. Now, of course, there are what? Feels like never ending conflict between a you. And for instance, NASA where each organization is like is she'll be the final thority and neither of them can subtle with the other exactly how to do things. It. It is though it organization that played a major work a major role after World War Two in helping to figure out. How do we restart science around the world? So what are some examples? We've talked about the the the classification. So like, how does it all come together? Like say, there's going to be I don't know where the next meeting is going to be how Africa in Africa. Okay. So the next one's Korea and then South Africa. Okay. In what twenty twenty one twenty? Yes. Okay. Twenty twenty four is Cape Town, South Africa. How who in? How do they define the agenda for what big decisions are going to be made at the I it it turns out that the I U is a fairly democratic organization. You have. Every nation. That is a dues paying member has a vote. There are essentially nations in waiting nations that don't quite have enough. Astronomers that don't quite have enough budget to be full members. And then there are also members at large and each nation also can have members once you become a member of the I, you it is your nation. Not us individual that pays your dues and you're in for of life. So I am a member of the I you representing the United States of America for the rest of my life. Even when I immigrate to Canada, which will happen someday. Would have got this you right? There's there's there's many Americans who represent the US in the it's true. You are one of the largest nations. Right. So how many people like how many people are Indiana? You won't go back to my question in second. But you know, me, squirrel. So the the international astronomical union looks to bring in the world's population of professional. Astronomers at this point they have nearly fourteen thousand members it is a large organization, but when you think about those numbers there are more software developers working for some companies than there are professional. Astronomers in the eye you representing the world. Okay. So you as a Representative of the I you like many of the Representative representatives of the I U. Do what to get to get a to get a motion passed seconded carried? How does this work? If if I have some great new idea that I want to propose to change something in astronomy. The first step is to put together, a essentially a Bill a proclamation and get it cosigned by bunch of other people within the organization get it supported by commissions divisions. This is that idea that you have a working group of people working the solve problems working groups are parts of commissions that are the medically divided. Aunt sorry. I got that run their part of divisions, which are dramatically divided these intern belong to commissions. So with all of this. We have for instance, someone from a working group on. Diversity? We have those might put forward a goal that we need to start putting out translations in this can lead to a decision that the I you is going to create centers for translation and astronomy. And that's the kind of thing that did happen. I don't think it came out of a working group for inclusion because I think that we had a chicken and egg problem there. Right. Like right now, are are the topics are going to be discussed at the twenty twenty one meeting being defined and hashed out right now. There are the building the schedule already come together a little more close to the actual event. Many of these things come out more close to the event because astronomers are humans, which means we procrastinate. So at this point in time, we're working to make sure we have locations we have worke rooms, we have all of the big picture idea. Ios thoughts are being made on. I have this thing. I should consider doing. But this early in the triumph were really working on figuring out. Okay. How do we complete this next three years sets of goals? So for instance, I belong to the working group for the communicating astronomy to the public conference and were working on planning our next conference, which is probably going to be next year. Think it's next year in Australia. There are other working groups that are working on. Well, everyone is waiting for new sets of names to come out from the minor planets are which is in many ways a child of the international astronomical Union's were waiting for that new round of names to come out. There are initiatives going on to collect star names from different cultures. And make sure that we have accurate catalogs that don't just say this galaxy is this HR number. It is this engy see number, but we also have catalogs that have a star parkas number. It's a Henry Draper, number and its name from Roman mythology from Zulu mythology from Incan mythology were working to collect all of these names, all of this culture of our shared sky before too much of it is lost to the passing. Of generations. Right. Okay. And so then you now do you guys like vote electrically on which like which actual discussions are going to be had there? There is a. Variety of different ways, the things take place the Commission's divisions. That I'm part of we do electric voting with in our organization for things like electing new officers. There are more spreadsheets for rating and reviewing proposals than you can shake a stick at. I think excel is the new way of ranking everything. And then of course, there's telecoms in which it's the if anyone disagrees speak, and then you listen to the silence of no one on meeting their phones. So that takes place for the day to day activities when it comes to the large decisions, it is generally a you pass things up. So my group of humans might vote on something. And then it gets passed up to the I you executive council and the executive council will then either vote on it at the national level or they will send it out to the entire membership. No in general, the national votes and the membership votes. Do take place every three years at the general assembly. But sometimes there are problems that come up there questions that come up where we don't wanna limit the voting to the people who are affluent enough and able to travel 'cause there are both issues of people who can't travel and people who can't afford to travel, but would love to and to make sure that are more potentially controv-. Decisions are made in a fair and equitable manner. Those do get opened up electrically. We recently didn't electric vote to to finalize the decision on the Hubble of the moth Ray name change. And there was a. Initial get the flavor of the room vote that was done at the general assembly prior to releasing and having everyone who was willing to go to their keyboard cast their vote from around the world, and then and then at the actual conference, you then sort of deal with like, you've got all of these provisional votes that are going to be had and everybody shows up, and they go into their, you know, the various working groups, and then how do those actual votes come together? It is the most old school thing. I have ever participated in it is there are fabulous pictures that you can find all over the internet, and hopefully Susie will stick went up in our show notes. There are two business meetings during the international astronomical union meeting, and this is a two week meeting. There's one business meeting each week and the general membership votes occur in the second week and the way they occur. Is you hold up your badge, which is a specific color. If you are a full member, and it's a different color of your not a full member. And you hold up your badge while he vote, and they will do. Okay, obstructions up. Okay. Yes. Is up. Okay. Nose up, and they have a series of counters individuals from around the world selected to walk around and physically count. So it's not the hut. Most high-tech thing I've ever participated in. But it's good enough for assembly work at definitely not a hidden vote. You can absolutely see who's voting for certain things. So. Oh, yeah. Anyone who lied to you about how they voted for Pluto? There are photos Bullard. They're planting pollute. Oh. And they're all getting a phone call from the the Pluto fans. That's a that's a that's a great point. I wonder if they'll ever change that to be more of a hidden ballot. Now, let's how is just one vote. And then everything just stands like is there any chance to overturn decision. You have to you have to wait for the next you have to wait at least three years, and this is one of those things where you start to realize that sometimes making it difficult to change things allows people to get used to an idea, and for the culture change, if there was a meeting every single year, I suspect the poodle might have had the decision overturned, but giving it that's three years. Let the globe last nominal community somewhat settle into a consensus because there was time to. Stink through the decisions to articulate the ideas and to move on. And sometimes you need that. Yeah. It's a it's a great point. I think there was a mountain of outright. They're still amount of outrage. I mean that is absolutely probably the boast. No, I'm gonna say that is absolutely most controversial decision. The I was ever made. And I think everyone is unified and believing that the current definition of what a planet is is actually a really bad definition. Yeah. Let it's better than nothing. And yeah, yeah. It's the where he'd be what is it like all definitions are bad. And this is just the least worst that is. Indeed, the case that isn't the case. Well, so what are some some ideas or some concerns that astronomers thinking about now for upcoming meetings that maybe we should be aware of and sort of be prepared for? That's green is it may sound on and probably it's not strange to to anyone who's been paying attention to Twitter lately. Equity and inclusion and supporting diversity of voices in strong. Emmy is one of the continuing top topics for discussion other things to sort of Chuo will long gradually evolving with time where we see slow and gradual refinement in our understanding coordinate systems, the periodic nailing down of radio coordinates to optical coordinates. Slow and gradual change is how science is done but social change often occurs in star stops, and it is getting recognized more and more that the sometimes flagrant bias in. Sometimes the unconscious bias in decision makers across the world has led to well, a very gray white. Community even when it's an international community. And that is something that folks are working really hard to change. And when you couple the idea of we're going to use a strong to me for development. We're going to recognize that when we start building telescopes in the darkest. Most remote parts of the world were often also building telescopes and places that have almost no no advantages where running water electricity and internet are just not everyday occurrences, and we can leverage our telescope facilities to change communities. And then once we've made that change it's not enough to just run high speed internet up to the observatory and wave at the local community and say, ha ha ha we have internet, and you don't you have to go into the community and make change. And then once you've done that. And you have that. I child of color in the local communities saying, hey, I want to do what they do up on the mountain. You have to make space for those people you have to make them feel welcome. The fact that the university of Hawaii doesn't really have a growing population of native Hawaiians going into astronomy despite it being one of the best facilities in the world says, we're screwing up ching. And I mean anyone rowing up there has access to these amazing dark skies. Yeah. Wide open skies. And you would think that that would be a place that you would be you know, you'd be more connected to the the facilities. It would be like like we have a lot hockey players here in Canada because we have a lot of snow, and we have a lot of ice. Will you know, Hawaii got a lot of telescopes? So you would think that more behind would be able to be connected to to that as a career be, you know, be part of that. And it's too bad. And you sort of see that again. And again, I think you're exactly right. 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"What's the secret to a happy life for the answer? Join us in Madrid from Thursday, the twenty seventh to Saturday the twenty ninth of June for molecules fifth annual quality of life conference head to conference dot Monaco dot com for all the details and to buy your ticket monocle keeping an eye and here on the world. You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the fourteenth of mater thousand and nineteen on monocle twenty four. Hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you live from studio. One here at Midori house in London. I'm Markus heap. Coming up Sri Lanka's partially lifted a nationwide curfew, but the government's using the terror threat to clamp down on civil liberties also heads Brexit talks between the UK's two main policy saw on the brink of collapse. We'll ask wars each means for the government's plans to leave the EU. We'll also review the days FRANZ pages. Get the latest business headlines from Bloomberg. And find out how asteroids get their names to all that right here on the briefing with me, Markus. He'd be. Sri Lanka's government has announced that it has partially lifted a nationwide go for you. It was introduced us part of an attempt to tackle anti Muslim violence following last month's Easter Sunday bombings. Let's get the latest on this. With surgeon. Go hill who is the director of the security think tank. Asia-pacific foundation says is also a visiting teacher at the London School of economics and political science welcome to the program. So first of all such an what is the situation in Sri Lanka? Now. Like, why is the government decided to lift the curfew while the situation still remains tense and a part of the curfew remains specifically in the north and province of Sri Lanka, which is north of the capital Colombo, and that is predominantly been where most of the anti-muslim violence has taken place. They have reduced the curfew in the rest of the. Entry. But that doesn't mean that the curfew ends is still heightened sense of concern that problems tensions ethnic tensions remain. Have. There. Been many concerns about the impact that the curfew. So having on civil liberties in the country. Well, this is an important point Victor Sri Lanka has a history of cuff use of emergency laws being passed especially during the civil war between the government and the Tamil Tigers. So there are sort of flashbacks of that type of environment coming back into play. And at the moment there hasn't been anything significant about civil liberties and human rights being affected by the government policies. But if the curfew continues to remain in place that could be problems, and certainly the police have been told to use lethal force where required, and if that does take place than we could be talking about a far worse situation, growing, you mentioned that many Sri Lanka's are there are they're getting flushed bucks off of of what was going on some years ago. Do each extent does the current security situation reminds people off the civil war well during the civil war. The government took emergency powers, which gave them the ability to. Impose not just curfews. But control the way information was being broadcast, for example news, including international news stations. Also in newspapers it also meant that they could arrest people and detain them for much more longer time than they currently are allowed to. So they're all these specific types of acts that could potentially be utilized. But this is a different situation. Of course, there is no civil war. This is in response to the aftermath off Sri Lanka's biggest ever terrorist attack in which over two hundred and fifty people were killed including forty five children. So the skies off those incidents continue to remain on the psyche. Or she Lanka's national conscience what he says it's ration- now, then has the terror threat subsided, and what is the government focusing on? Now looking at the ongoing security concerns. We'll the threat potentially has subsided. But we can't totally remove it completely. Because of the fact that. Even though most of the cell members of either being arrested or died and shootouts with police. Authorities have not definitively said that is the end of the problem because this cell that was behind the Sri Lanka Easter Sunday. Attacks was lodge. Huge. It wasn't just operating in Colombo. It was there throughout the country itself. So the authorities who were getting assistance by the FBI by the British metropolitan police in the Australian Federal Police have been trying to ascertain how big this network is. But they still haven't been able to definitively say that they've identified all individuals and until they do the tensions will continue to remain insure. We know that those relondo governments did ignore repeated warnings off these attacks before they took place was kind of aftermath. I being taken place now in the country. Well, the blame game started significantly keep in mind that the president should Lanka Saraceno. Is in charge of the national Security Council and his rivalry with the Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe was so intense that he prevented the prime minister from sitting on the national Security Council, and that prevented the intelligence that was passed to the show can president to then be relayed to the prime minister's office who are in charge of internal security in that resulted in the intelligence failure that took place and now that has become a major political situation because she Lanka is going to be going to the polls this year for presidential elections. The Sri Lanka attacks will be the primary talking point. It won't be about the economy or about jobs or about healthcare. It's going to be about these attacks. And unfortunately, the attack itself has now been heavily politicized. And just finally the country's tourism industry has obviously taking a bit of battering. Do you think three Lunka can recover from last month's attacks and convinced the world that it's still safe to come to the country. I hope it can sure as a beautiful country. It is a place that one must visit. But it is going to take time for she Lanka to shore, the international community that it's a safe place to visit and keep in mind, the terrorists want to create economic political and social consequences. So the attacks had enormous ramifications Sri Lanka's business damage to infrastructure it scared away tourism. And that is also what the terrorists want to do. They want to create those consequences of economic political and social and unfortunately with the riots that have taken place recently. It's almost feeding into the hands of ISIS who almost deliberately created that second affect second effect after killing people. It is. Create disruption to people's lives, and they seem to be achieving that you say is going to take a long time for the country to recover. But what does it take from the authorities to try to create the feeling that the country safe to visit effective security is going to be a absolutely essential dead being degree of complacency following the end of the civil war against the Tamil Tigers in two thousand nine she'll anchors security apparatus became somewhat. Lax minimal it didn't necessarily have the heightened sense of alertness that it did previously, and perhaps this attack will now be a reminder that they are going to have to ensure that significant places where the public congregate attendance of religious institutions like churches and Buddhist temples hotels. These are going to have to be protected far better than they were in the past. And that's going to be an important step. That was a surgeon go hill. Thank you very much. What joining us here on the briefing. Now. Uber's stock dropped us much severity in percent yesterday on another rookie day of trade for the ride hailing giant Bloomberg's UN ports joins us. Now, you and recriminations are starting to fly in the wake of the slumping share price. Aren't they Marcus gaining work on the biggest US shift location of the past five years was a major coup for US Bank Morgan Stanley? But now after Ube is shares tumbled eighteen percent in its first two days of trading. Questions are starting to be asked, including why did he suggest a one hundred twenty billion dollar valuation last year that Uber simply couldn't deliver? And also, how did they why they steer so much stock to big investors who made as it turns out hollow pledges the whole stock long term many top tier investors already owned shares before last week, potentially curbing some of the appetite for the more than eight billion dollars of stock sold into the market now. The tomato, but how Morgan Stanley and other banks handled the offering as being compounded by qualified locking soothing of our the the rather abrupt flare up last week of the US China trade negotiations which saw markets tumble. Also added to that the dismal performance of Uber's main lift main rival lift a big ride heading company in the US. It's flirtation which also took place recently has now seen its shares head deep into the red as well. So lots of questions being asked around this finish application, it was very very closely antiquated, and it's turned out to be something of a failure. Also, Uber CEO has taken the step of writing to staff. What did he say? Yes, he says to expect some tough public market times over the coming months, the UPC acknowledging to start at the company had a rocky trading debut to use his words, obviously, he says stock did not trade as well as we'd hoped post. I think that's probably understating things somewhat. But he did say that. Facebook and Amazon had very difficult post IPO trading back when they floated many years ago, but they've turn out to have delivered undelivered very heavily at the San Francisco based company one hundred hundred million shares at forty five dollars a piece on Thursday, the closed the day down forty one dollars fifty and yes, they they dropped as much as eleven percent to thirty seven dollars. Lots of worries about Uber's business model. It's a company which is lost lots and lots of money when you book, your Uber in London or any of the hundreds of cities around the world where it's offered you wonder how they offer such low prices. But one of the reasons is it they lose money every time, you book affair and investors are thinking hope that was scale those losses could come down. But so far we haven't really been after show how they do that. That's what they got to do in the future. But so far the markets are not taking too kindly to the Uber share flotation. Although it said I in pre market the stock is up just a tie. Such a thanks you and that's worth the imports from Bloomberg. And now, here's what else we are. Keeping an eye on today here on monocle Tony far. That's we have been hearing Sri Lanka's government has partially lifted a nationwide curfew. It was introduced us part of an attempt to tackle anti-muslim violence in the wake of last month's Easter Sunday bombings, but the curfew wheel remain in place in the north west of the country. The Trump administration has asked US congress to increase NASA spending next year by an extra one point six billion dollars. The move is part of attempts to return Americans to the surface of the moon bites wind twenty four bus, many experts are concerned that nurse are will not be able to meet the deadline. And finally, the Cannes film festival is getting underway on the French Riviera more than twelve thousand industry professionals will gather at the prestigious festival to buy and sell movies and sets the industry's agenda for the year ahead. Four more hits to Monaco dot com forward slash Maine. It this is the briefing. Monocle twenty four. The British Prime Minister Theresa may is being urged to abandon Brexit talks with the labor opposition thirty enough. Mrs Maes, former conservative cabinet Khaliq say any attempts to agree to labor demand for post Brexit customs union with the European Union risks alienating conservative voters and splitting the party Stephanie bolts in is the UK and Ireland correspondent four developed and she choice me now. Welcome to the program. So Stephanie what is the latest are the talks indeed on the brink of collapse. Well, it sounds like I mean, they had been communication last night from Downing Street the prime minister's office, which was very short. And which was saying that basically they had been a repping up about talks. They had had in the past. It was very obvious in the kind of wording that. Nothing is for the time being coming out of these talks. And to be honest. I think no one really expected these talks to ever be anything. But a bit of smoke to show the public that. Yes, we are still trying and fighting for a solution. But from the beginning, I think these talks were were meant to not bring any result. Use party talks have just entered the seventh week. Do we really know did Corbin and made they get anywhere. It doesn't seem like that substantially got anywhere. They obviously there were a lot of teachers exchanged, and but at the end of the day the question from the very first moment of these cross party talks was what can they gain with it? And especially after the April summit on Brexit in it became clear that the Brexit deadline is now at the end of October, and therefore they will be European election that David party would not have any interest in helping MRs may to get her deal over the finishing line and therefore not having your opinion action because these European action if labor is successful will be seen as a test for general election, and it will be only for the benefit of labor to have those European action on the twenty third of may. Theresa is being urged to abandon these talks completely. If these girls party talks are axed what will happen next. Well, let's the big question. So that could be still another attempt by the prime minister to get her Brexit deal, which she not have to remember now when did she agree this at the end of November, actually, she agreed this deal with the European Union? And then as we know she tried it in in January, and then she tried it again, I think in March and she failed, and then it was prevented by the speaker to bring it again into the house, but she might now with a little trick to tweak bring it back to the house. But if she would and she fails again, what has she gained? So it isn't complete impasse. Nothing has really changed and the impression at least from Europe is this is just dragging on. And we will be back on square one by October. You mentioned the view from Europe you want to tell us more. How is Germany for example? Looking at seeing this, this Brexit mess in the United Kingdom. Well, Germany had a very very strong interest of giving a an extension to the United Kingdom transplant. Mce was adamant she did want to avoid a no deal scenario while there was talk that the French president was more open to maybe having a managed no deal. But what is clear is that the uncertainty is only going on and also for business in Germany that cannot really plan. They they will not want to invest more than the necessary in the UK, and they sense that in October. They might be looking at the situation again, if there is no major change in the political landscape in the UK, and I cannot foresee how this could happen even through a general election. They will just extend the articles fifty process once more and the Limbaugh in which this country has now been since March twenty seventeen we'll. On. If you look at what the German papers are writing are washed, the German politicians are saying is there much understanding for Britain's major parties at the moment. No. That isn't. I mean, honestly that isn't also Annesley. There is not much talk about Brexit now in Germany, obviously there so are so many other urgent issues. And especially also the European election in Germany, which will take place on Sunday to twenty six and that's also a crucial election because it will see how much trust there still is in in the CD you and Chancellor Merkel. But in general, I think when these cross party talks started back in I think it was in in March. There was certain hope in Germany because this is what you would do in Germany, you would trying to find a consensus within the different parties within a among the different parties among the different players in the Bundestag in the in the parliament and would try to find a way through and I think that it's a lot of impatience in German. But also in other European countries that there is no way how to find consensus on Brexit because this country is split. And if it needs anything more needs nothing more than finding a healing consensus about Brexit. Do you have many European politicians are learning some lessons from the crisis? The UK is going through at the moment. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, they has been openly heads of government saying, well, it would now think twice before they would ask the nation to to vote on EU membership. Because what the whole of Europe has learned and this is an independent of whether you are a supporter or a critic of the European Union. You cannot deny how closely entangled every country is with the European project. Be it legislation all the everything that touches on our on our lives, consumer protection security, what we eat how we travel how we move our money. Everything is linked to the European Union. And just cutting yourself off is a massive challenge. It is far more complicated than some people, especially in the UK these days till the public on just returning to the UK do think a second referendum is no more likely than before. It seems like it is actually the only way out because we disgusted two minutes before. So what is next? No one knows what what is next. So it could be a way out because it used to you could say whether the other away out might be general election. But if you look at the polls, the outcome will be again, a minority government is very likely or a government that has very very slim majority, and then you were confronted with the same situation in parliament that you can't get a deal through the decant finish Brexit. So putting it back to the people in a way would be the easiest solution. But then again, I mean just attended the hustings last night in London the atmosphere in the UK is so a heated that you would actually really dread how a second referendum. How what what a demagoging impact that would have on the country. Stephanie both, sir. Thank you very much. It's nineteen minutes past the hour. You're listening to the briefing. And we continue now with some of today's newspapers I'm joined in the studio by Monaco's own finan to our Gustav Shaquille. Welcome to the program. I see we are starting with Brazilian papers today waste that. Absolutely. You have full at some polos very curious when I was looking at the front page because they had this very cute animals that we have in Brazil the copy Baras, which are actually the largest leaving rodents in the world markers. And then it was wondering why are there on the front page because are fairly common animal if you arrive in some polo airport, and then you head to the CD that's one of the first animals you see like walking along the road. Actually, they're very friendly. But never, nevertheless, there's a little bit of infestation of copy bar is especially in the west of some Paulo. And then there's American vet Derrick Rosenfield that he's planning to evac Sonate then to curb their fraternity levels instead of to castrate, then which is much as if because auction actually the mayor of some polls also worried because if quite being animals, I mean. If the listeners never seen a copy bar before, you know, they are kind of the size of a of a large dog think over son Bernard aggressive. No, not I I actually saw in very closely and not aggressive. They just eat a lot of people know, actually, as I said, they're friendly, perhaps that's the problem and here in this picture is actually inside the university of some Powell which has a huge area. And some people are saying that now, you know, even when they're playing sports sometimes they have the game has to be stopped because a couple of our, you know, entered in the feud. I it is a little bit of a lighthearted soy. But you know, I think they're are trying to find a solution because you know, they are loving love the animals there. We're not talking about cockroaches or something like that. Exactly. It's it's reminds me of Helsinki having an issue with with Petra rabbits. But those whole nother story that's a who. Oh. We've got a few very cold winters have been all of a sudden that she was addressed. But anyway. Well, let's go to the F T little political story yesterday Filipinos went to vote in the midterm elections. And everybody was saying that this was kind of a referendum president Rodrigo to territory, and you know, and it's been proven, right? I mean, he's he's party is allies got most seats and is interesting Mark because it was checking here the his approval ratings are more than seventy percent. That's quite remarkable. Of course, he's not a lot of leaders. You know, the Mike to territory he's his kind of populism. I mean, you know, but he's interesting how the Philippines are still very much enjoying his presidency. Do see many similarities between two and the head of your own country. Brazil. Yes, absolutely in the beginning. I think the only difference is that both narrow doesn't have seventy percent of appeal. Our team in fact is going down by the minute with so many scandals. I think perhaps to territory has a little bit more of a of a group in his country a way all right next. We are looking at the Jerusalem. Imposed. And I think I have an idea why you have that newspaper is because you are flying to Tel Aviv tomorrow to report on the Eurovision song. Contest time one twenty four. I'm very excited Marcus and funny enough their headline that they chose is your vision chief Madonna has not signed a contract. So as you know, I'm a big fan of Madonna's on she will. Apparently, I have to say be performing at the big final. But apparently she didn't sign a contract. And he said, well, we want to hear if she wants to play. But we've no contract that you know, she can't perform very weird store considering that only know that this kind of performances, you know, there's there's there's a massive. There's like rehearsals news to make sure the show works. Well, you know, we don't have that many days before the final where she stood to perform eb -solutely, and is interesting that I have to update apparently Madonna sat in in the morning because a lot of people have criticized the singer for going to Tel Aviv. You know is quite a, you know, difficult a lot of people went. To boycott Israel for what they do with Palestine. But she said, you know, what I want to perform music, and I'm not going to be stopped because of the criticism finan on it doesn't make you feel any better incase. Madonna doesn't show up doesn't make you feel any better that route from my home country's going to be there in the end of the role representing Finland. He makes me feel very happy Mark because actually I hope to meet their roots. And I'll promise I'll take a picture of him for you. Thank you very much Monaco span onto our goes to particular their joining us here on the briefing. Finally on today's program and astronomer has named the steroid. He phone three decades ago after Japan's new imperial era. Ray wa it's called Ray when the Hoshi and is expected to be approved in the next few months. I'm joined on the line by Dr Chris Smith who is from the naked scientists at Cambridge University. Welcome to the program. So Chris first of all how strict are the rules for naming asteroid. What is the procedure like? Well, the answer is that in the early days. It was open country. You could pretty much do whatever you wanted. It was a free rule, but people tended to go for masala, Judy. So the first asteroid got found was yes ROY series, which is pretty huge, Brian's, droid standards. And that's why it was the first in the nineteen eighty one. And then it was rapidly followed by others, including best Juneau pallets. So these will give logical nine, but in more recent years, what they've actually done is to adopt a strategy where a body is given a temporary nine until we know that it actually really exists. What is operatives? And then the person who discovers it is invited to submit a suggestion for the name. And the only real really is that it must be something which is linked some kind of military activity recent political activity or something, you know, offensive as long as you can bypass Seoul that then you're absolutely fine. Does even an asteroid named off to the Beatles. I discovered that she they. Appropriate as nation. It's number eight thousand seven hundred and forty nine Beatles is official night. And I was looking at some other interesting names who has throws and we do have Monty Monty python? That's thirteen thousand six hundred eighty one. And we also have Tom Hanks twelve eight one eight and make Ryan SU eight thousand five hundred fifty three why do you think this this astronomy, we mentioned in the beginning of of this jets has decided to name his asteroid thirty years after I discovered it. Well, he said he wasn't going to both. And then some friends said, no go on we had a good reason to because of course, on the first of may, Japan, go this new impr-. And so whenever he told came onto the throne and ushered in this new era, which is ROY wa they thought well, actually, this would be quite a nice oput unity to come up with a name that is a nod to the Ray war era, which everyone's optimistic about they're hoping it's going to be, you know, the the future of Japan a very prolific time. So one cool this, right? Wanna Hoshi which means star of rye wa so it's kind of nice. It's it's it's nonpolitical. It's a note to the future and nothing that he probably thought when other times, right? I mean. Yeah, she has a lot of choices because this person is himself actually the guns could determine Sankey discovered. More than two hundred asteroids. He's it's up to two hundred and twenty three now think and you're not even discovered comets as well. He's got, you know, plenty of plenty of others. He can I if you want. Well, he's been a busy, man. So now this new name is expected to be approved in the next few months who are making that decision. Well, the organization that she is international astronaut Michael union, the I you so when you first discover your asteroid, do you want you notify them it then gets tracked in observed while it's this temporary. Designate which is the year is discovered. So they'll be two numbers out Sierras discovered, and then some letters of that which is it's temporary nine and then when everyone's comfortable, the Yup, we know what we're dealing with. And it can take decades actually to make sure that the it's been observed correctly and dealing with that point you then invite the person who was the initial discovery to submit their their name to a panel convened by the IRA you and if they approve the name used to just then it goes down in the official record for perpetuity. No, just just finally Chris. I'm wondering have you ever been wondering if you somehow discovered an asteroid what kind of a name would you give to it? On call at night. It's onto one. Of course, why not thank you very much. Chris Smith there from the naked scientists at Cambridge University. And that's all for this edition of the briefing. It was produced by Reese Jamison researched by using fan. Halen? Jerry's our studio managing was Kenya. Scarlet the briefing is back tomorrow at the same time. Meanwhile, do join deniro beige for today's edition of Midori house live as eighteen hundred here in London thirteen hundred in New York. I am Marcus hippie. Thanks for listening on by now.
Ep. 534: Modern South African Astronomy
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Live studio episode that we're recording from our home studios during season eleven. So there's this episode and the next week. I don't even know if we have a topic for next week yet, but and then we will wrap up for the summer, however we are going to be at the all stars party. We're going to be with our friends, and we're going to be with a bunch of our other space podcast creators. And so we will be creating all kinds of contact with them, and we will be dropping a ton of this into the feet. So stay tuned. You're going to get a lot. Even though if you can't join us, you'll at least get as if you were there with some of the conversations that we had while we were there. So. Educational astronomy on the go silliness, galley coming your way. Yeah. Exactly. All right. You know, the drill now last week, we talked about some ancient South African astronomy. So this week, we're talking about the modern state of astronomy in the southern part of Africa, which happens to be a great place with nice dark skies and a perfect view into the heart of the galaxy. Now, I haven't been to South Africa. Have you? Yes, you have. It's fabulous. Yeah. And, and I, I really recommend it as the kind of place that brings some hope because there's a lot of nations right now that you visit my own included where you get the sense of nation on decline. You get a sense of a whole bunch of people who've lost hope and are just four Lauren Lee, watching the world burn. Well, when I was in South Africa in two thousand and ten. This was the first generation of adults that had grown up with apartheid ending with opportunity on the rise with people of different colors, all able to mix in the cities, and the amount of poverty was great. But the amount of hope was great as well. And one of the things that they've been working to do is this has been technologically advanced nation, and they're now looking to advance all the people of their nation through science and astronomy is one of the places that they're putting a great deal of effort, because it gives them an excuse to get amazing infrastructure into remote parts of their countryside. And I mean, I again, I haven't been to southern Africa. I have been into the southern hemisphere now. And so I've got to -ssume that the view of the skies from South Africa is as amazed. As the view from from Australia dark skies away from light pollution staring into the core of the galaxy. But, but the difference is the wildlife. So, so in Australia you have to worry that something Dudley. Yes. It's going to be on the ground. When you sit down. So maybe you don't sit on the grass in, in South Africa out at Sutherland observatory whole group of us decided, we were going to walk up from the visitor center to the main observatory at the peak of the mountain. And I we did this after dark because we're astronomers and morons and just settled on the side of the observatory roads so that none of the astronomers, leaving the mountain to go to sleep would run us over and we didn't have flashlights. We didn't want to ruin anyone's observing. So as the sun came up, we realized we had sat down in the middle of a herd of Springbok. And so all of these giant, antler giant jumping critters wake up, and they're like, what is this strange thing? And one of them came over, and it was like, flaring, its nostrils at one of the cameras that we had on an automatic timer. And it was just this amazing. Experience to see this light. Get bright in the sun come up, and then to realize your in a herd of wild animals. Some of my favorite my favorite astronomy. Power couple comes from South Africa, Corean, Tanya, Schmitz, from photographing space, and the pictures that they are just sending back are studying. So, you know, I cannot wait to get a chance to hit down to, to South Africa. We'll talk about observatories then, you know, not just we who have suspect. It's a great place for astronomy of the astronaut. Michael community is pretty. Certain as well. So what are some of the observatories in facilities that are there in, in Africa? So, so we'll hear we're focusing on South Africa with a touch of nations around it. So we're gonna start in the city. A Cape Town where you have the Royal Observatory of the Cape of Good Hope that is built up on a hill in a part Capetown that's called observatory. And one of the really amazing things about this part of the city. Is it was one of the areas that even during apartheid allowed the mixing of races this was, what was called a gray area of the city. It's student housing. It's kind of think about that super weird and trendy neighborhood near your favorite large university campus. And you kind of have this area, but maybe with, like a touch of Haight Ashbury thrown into the mix. Now, the observatory itself was built in eighteen twenty. This is one of the great historic observatories that was put there so that they could figure out when they were so just like with the Sydney. Observatory this is a facility that once upon a time had a large telescope and was responsible for figuring out latitude and longitude tude. So they could literally accurately put Capetown on the map now. Capetown has kind of ground since eighteen twenty. The light pollution has more than kind of grown since eighteen twenty and so with all of those changes, and with a desire to have one of the best observer observing facilities in the southern hemisphere starting in the nineteen seventies, they began moving the nation's telescopes that were at universities and other random places out to Sutherland. And, and so we're until how far away is Sutherland. I'm it's, it's a several hour drive to the north and east from Cape Town. I it takes you through some of the oldest landscape in the world you can actually see chaotic terrain where the land is flipped up, and you can see the iridium line through the sedimentary layers that marks here. Be dead dinosaurs. And there are babboons along the way. Beware, the babboons their freaky, and, and then once you get out to Sutherland, this is not just a great place for professional astronomy. But they also do Astro tourism, and it's dark sky, preserve. So once you get out there, there, there's all of the normal small town countryside, things that you'll find anywhere that is your Ning to be a tourist trap. But once you get up to the top of the mountain there are fifteen different domes up on that plateau. And so I mean, we've seen how this plays out some small ones some big ones and some very big ones. Yeah. And, and like so many other places what we also see is the history of the development of strana me, one of my favorite telescopes that they have up there because the data from it is near and dear to me is the Alan cousins telescope. This is just a thirty inch telescope doesn't sound all that tremendous seventy five centimeters. But this particular telescope if you've ever heard of, like, the, the cousins filters, the precision Automata theory that photo metric system was defined for the southern hemisphere using this telescope. So if you ever needed to use standard stars to figure out how bright something was in this other nam. Fear. You owe a thank you to this little thirty inch telescope. That's really cool. I mean there are there are planet hunting telescopes. There are sky surveys. And there's one very very big telescope the the salt telescope. So we'll talk about some of the other instruments that you can find this is one place. I mean there is a level of concentration of astronomical equipment in this one location. Yeah. Greater than I think, you know, in any of the places that we've talked about their more spread out in other areas. But in southern Africa, they are they are risk this there. So, so like most big observatories, there is, of course, the loss, Kambas observatory global telescope network telescope. It's a thirty nine inch telescope part of the network been there since two thousand thirteen so your standard player is, of course, there was why I mean, I don't think we talked too much about the list conference. What do the what are the doing so less compromise, is a network of telescopes scattered across pretty much the entire planet. So there is no part of the sky that can go unseen at any time of day is the ultimate goal. And I there everything from telescopes that teachers can get time on for their classrooms, to regular everyday people can rent them, too. They're also used for a variety of just lows photo metric need science projects. So things like follow up on. Super Novi monitoring of asteroids. I follow up on things where your needs are is this things orbit, still what we thought before we snuggle up, our spacecraft. So they follow up on Rosetta on the asteroid Rosetta went to Sherrie, Gary. So it's just a really cool network. That is pretty much. If you have a good mountain top, you're going to have one of their telescopes. Yeah there's one in McDonald. Observatory one at Holly Okla in Hawaii in the Canary Islands. So they are really across the world. It's such a great idea that they've got a series of telescopes can literally track an object from hemisphere to hemisphere wherever and whenever you need to which is such a, a wonderful concept. And I know you can they do give, I think they're the ones that give time to interesting outreach, -cational projects and things like that. And the Las compa com. This particular network of telescopes has gone through many different phases. It started as the FOX telescopes funded out of Great Britain, by a man named folks. He couldn't fund it to get as large as, as as goal it evolved into the Las Cumbrae system. Google got in for a while funding. A lot of it. And so this has really been a long term effort with a whole lot of people seeing the need, and helping us scatter telescopes, he hither and yon, essentially now other things that you might have heard of we have talked about Kelt objects on a fairly study basis across all of the years. These are the killer degree extremely little telescopes. The first one was built by the Ohio State University to monitor the northern hemisphere. Now, we also have a southern hemisphere, version, and these are survey telescopes that are out, plugging away looking for exa planets. So you have things like Kelt nine b which is a extremely hot exit planet that I'm particularly fond of that was found with this system. We'll talk about the big one. You're like we're just gonna skip wasp and every. What? No, I, I appreciate the way you're setting this up. Yeah. Let's talk a wasp. Okay. So, so why is another one of these robotic telescopes that is out there, looking for exa planets, and one of the things that I appreciate about this, which is why I wanted to bring it up. Is is this is a telescope that has multiple incarnations around the world? And in this case, it's a joint venture between the Canaries and South Africa. And they are also pulling up little planet after little planet orbiting distance stars. I we also have a variety of monitoring systems to do things like monitor for incoming near earth objects. We have systems that are designed to monitor the sun helping to detect the awesome nations that we see in its atmosphere and now we can go to salt. Okay, because this is a this is this is a very big telescope and this one I, I have to admit is a bittersweet telescope to me, because I would the university of Texas where they built the hobby Everley telescope which I was supposed to use to do amazing science for my dissertation, the goal when I wrote my dissertation was, we were going to get thirty spectra per galaxy cluster of galaxy cluster after galaxy cluster, we're going to do detailed studies of how these systems were evolving as a function of mass, and Redshift and about ten years later. Another astronomer got an amazing award for doing a dissertation on this, because mine was blighted by the hobby Abberley telescope, not functioning the way it was supposed to function. Right. So and so you want to use a telescope. It was broken. No. Yeah. So I. I ended up with, like nine spectra total on two clusters for my dissertation. So. The hubby Everley telescope had issues when it was first constructed it was built it was designed to be the largest cheapest telescope of its kind, the original budget was fifteen million dollars to build would, what would be at the time, the largest light-gathering telescope in obstacle wavelengths in the world. And, and it was it just could only stay in focus for like ten to twenty minutes. Right. And it was thought that they'd be able to do monitoring of how the mirrors flexed and changed as temperature and humidity changed. But it was actually a chaotic problem. So their original plan to use computer models to keep the telescope and focus by measuring humidity, and temperature variations and flexing, the system accordingly didn't work. And so the last couple of years that I was finishing up my PHD. The observatory was invaded by South African engineers because they came an an exchange for. The plans for the hobby Everley telescope and more complexity things they came in and put in tremendous effort to help get that telescope working, and now the hobby ever lease a workhorse, and from what they learned helping to get the hopper -ly really, to the hobby Abberley to live up to its full potential. They took everything they learned return to South Africa and Bill, what it is still the largest collecting area telescope in the southern hemisphere, and they've been using it to do tremendous science. So this is a case of really Clavier engineers saying, we don't have a whole lot of budget. But we've got a whole lot of skill. So let us fix that for you. Yeah, it's right. And so I mean this telescope again, you know, I. It is. It's a ten meter telescope. So when we think about the CAC observatory near is eleven. Yeah, you're right. Fixed azimuths telescope and it's this weird collection of hexagonal elements all collected together. And so you don't so it's not this one single ground MIR. It's these heck's Haganah elements that work together to form the MIR until he was done. Exactly right. It was done on the cheap and yet it is an eleven meter telescope into again. Compare that you've got the CAC observatory at ten meters. You've got the, the very large telescope the individual telescopes, they're only eight and a half meters. The Gemini is like the only thing that really gets close size-wise you've got the one in the Canary Islands, which is eleven meters. And then you've got the, the ones the binocular telescope which about a few a few. You weeks backers are both northern but they're both in the northern hemisphere. And so there is a telescope did is that is easily one of the largest telescope in the earth. You know, on the earth located in this prime location that has the skies all to itself. So it's like if you wanna do astronomy from southern hemisphere. There is some just a phenomenal tool at your disposal, and it's, it's pretty exciting inch super clever design. Yeah. Yeah. So, so the way that keep the costs down on the design is the telescope is, is at a fixed tilt. And there is a smooth cement, Donut that the telescope has these, these airlifts said think Luke skyro-, Luke Skywalker craft on tan to win. They lift the telescope and they can rotate it, but they can't change its tilt, but they can move the secondary mirror. They're able. To track objects for brief, periods of time you're not going to track all night, you're going to track for like twenty minutes. But they're able to track and as they track, they're using a different ten meter section of that eleven meter mirror that has a spiritual surface. And, and so they're able to greatly reduce the costs by not having to engineer in the ability to change the tilt of the telescope so they can just rotate. And then they can move around the secondary, and that's enough. And, you know, if you wanna think of an analogy we've talked with the air CBO observatory which is a radio telescope in, in Puerto Rico, and it is a, you know, it's a segment of fear carved out of a black a collapsed crater, you know, on Puerto Rico, and so they move the instrumentation on cables up that hangs up above the telescope and. That's how they get data on different parts as long as this thing is kind of in the field of view, then they can move instrumentation and capture imagery. And it's the same thing on what they do with this telescope. So it doesn't work the way a regular telescope does. But for what it does it does it better than almost any other instrument on earth? And I, I've, I've always been a gigantic fan of, of this specific telescope because they did it on a shoestring and they run on a shoestring and, you know, for tens of millions of dollars in ongoing budget to run this world class observatories. So, so congrats everyone in South Africa. She'd be really proud of of this telescope to top rating there. And, and they need to be really proud of what is coming. Yes, yeah, big telescopes so so Sutherland is where all of the optical is done. But if you go out to Karoo, which is a. Different deserty part that is truly stunning with magnificent animals. I if you go out to Karoo, which is a bit further to the east a little bit further to the north, you are going to run in to an array of sixty four thirteen point five meter dishes, that are currently out there in this vast swath of planes. They have an inner cluster that is spread over a not very large area. It's about one kilometer across, but then for another four kilometers in all directions. They have another thirty percent of their dishes. Scattered this particular pattern is fairly unique to the set of telescopes. This is the mere cat array. Yes, this is a precursor to the. S. K. A. That is testing the science proving the technology and already doing some really phenomenal science. And when they start building us, K A, it's not can be limited to this. Eight meter diameter area of deserty landscape. No es que es is going to span across multiple nations as they build what would be half of the greatest radio facility in the world across southern Africa. And this is why they talk about the next international astronaut, Michael union meeting after Korea is going to be in southern Africa. Because they're holding it in Capetown but it's going to be hosted by all these different nations that are working together clap rating together to do radio. Strana me that will have from one telescope amazing resolution, thanks to one. Giant continent? Yeah. And we talked about this two weeks ago from the Australian perspective and the great thing about the mere cat observatories is that is that these are, what these are some of the technologies that they tested out and demonstrated both that so Africa would be a good spot to house, the square kilometer Ray. But also that they had the technical the technological chops down do this kind of strana, me that, that the engineers in the designers and the engineering and the materials all came. Yeah. It's all world class and it's it's locally built. This is locally built not half of it came from Germany. Now it's them rocking it out. And now astronomers from around the world are doing astronomy, with the best sets of acronyms I have ever seen. Such as so. So I just had to bring this up, mere cat is, of course, an acronym itself. And it has led to. Mongoose spelled ruby weirdly. M. H. O. N. G. O O, S C, which is the mere cat H one observations of nearby. Galactic objects observing southern amid IRS? It's a little bit forced, but awesome. There is mere gal, which is the mere cat high frequency galactic plane survey. There's mighty which is the mirror cat international gigahertz, tiered extra galactic exploration survey. There is thunder cat, the hunt for dynamic and explosive radio transmitters with mere cat. It's, it's just a amazing thing after amazing thing with amazing acronyms. So go team go. Yeah. Yeah. Were there, any other interesting instruments from other wavelengths isn't there? A Trink of radiation observatory in southern Africa. I'm turning back king. Yeah. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe not. So they're members of the shrank off telescope array. But. I'm not seeing it as being built there it the big one is in south of paranormal in. There is a Nambia South African shrank off telescope task force. Okay. Yeah. Ordina maybe. Recall there being one there. But, but, but no cool. Well, I think we've, we've reached the end of our of our time, anyway. But I think again, if you if you want an interesting vacation, if you wanna go to a place that's up and coming on the astronomy scene. It sounds like South Africa is the is the place to go just a void the, the dangerous wildlife while you while you're the guy, I so go to Cape Town and do two things for me. In addition to the astronomy, one gonna wind tour. There's actually a winery called goats Derome, that is the result of not being able to be cut stone anymore because of e regulations and you can do a wine and goat cheese tasting. It is fabulous. In addition to this, go to the beach that has both penguins, and babboons, and break your brain because no children's coloring book prepared, Amy of us for penguins and baboon to be co located in the wild as natural things to laugh at, on a beach. But be aware the babboons will try and break into your camera gear. Sounds awesome. 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Michael Yeadon Interview Former Pfizer VP Speaks Out On Dangers Of mRNA Vaccines & COVID Illusion
"To us i know as experiencing reading the literature looking at the theory in practice. It's a line i worry about. Basically all the woking populations that less risks in no arguments about it the covid nineteen. M are a vaccine. This new technology is being advertised at just about every place you go but is this new vaccine safe and will one day become mandatory independent journalists. Hiller hudek into seek answers to these questions today. I turn to former vice president of pfizer dr michael eden if you or someone you love is on the fence about receiving the cove in nineteen vaccine or want to learn more information. Watch this video and send it to your loved ones because this is a perspective that you will not find anywhere else dr michael union. I i want to thank you for joining me today in taking the time to speak with me my pleasure. Glad to phobia mural in your audience about my so before we do get started. Why don't we begin with your qualifications and your background in the medical field on a research scientist fourteen years this year since i started my training. Chemistry toxicology followed by research-based. phd mccarthy. I've covered a wide range of life science disciplines necessary to identify. You tend to talk For new drugs to treat spirit treat allergic and immunological diseases amount. Spent thirty two years in faucet. Larvae mostly big companies five ten years ago. Head of research were wiped spiritually in the last ten years have been independence on advised in several dozen stop. Companies have the privilege of founding and successfully running for five years my own biotech which was sold in vases for years ago. So that's me and you also held a position as vice president of pfizer vice president chief scientist of allergy. And we're spiritually research. Okay so i just wanna start basic as well for the past year. We of course have heard a lot about cove. Nineteen in the mainstream press. It has dominated the mainstream press in one would believe due to this coverage that this virus is unlike any other virus that we have been exposed to before that it is very deadly and that the medical field is really unsure how to treat it. Do you agree with that assessment. And can you explain what really is covid. Nineteen i don. I would say that. It's actually a radio. The middling congar yes. It certainly has heightened risk. Your elderly ordeal is heightened risk. That it will kill you serious Probably more le- so than influenza to adults over seventy but the crawler is leslie to adults than influenza seriously sharpest respect you can look for his his age and the steepness of that risk rises strongly with colored with age unless there with influenza results. It's really scary virus old and ill. But it's less things to people under seventy influenza. So you ask is a is policy response appropriate. No it's not basically all the working populations that less risk between now arguments about why they have done. You'll is the more. We've heard a lot about the variance within the past six months. Or so. And i know that you have been doing some research on this and you just wrote a piece recently with mark aguirre dough and in this piece about the new variants at states quotes to date. No robust scientific evidence proves that any variants identified or more transmissible or deadly by definition variants are clinically identical end quote can you explain the covid nineteen variants and if we should be concerned about them and why is the media and the public health industry really causing alarm for this when they're perhaps may not need to be so much concern so i i and then we can come back to the wine question the first call to middling virus worse than the common cold however it is of the same cloth arses H k you want and so on her four endemic common code coz incorrect devices and all that sauce as it were a more lethal version of that. But it's not on for millions of ours is that amongst thousands of east serve this a long virus. It's made people might understand that. It's made of protein. Protein consists of amino acids sale. The building blocks crazy consists of about ten thousand of those boss. If you look for the various that's most difference from the original statements from wuhan late december january the year and a half or even third again. You find the thing. That's most different from i was stoned find. But it's only zero point. Three percent difference a slug of a virus in terms of changing enfold seven. Sixty mounted Zero point three percent sequence. Crawler is true that means all variants and ninety nine point seven percent identical so imagine holding up one in another ninety nine point seven. You'll you'll visual system would maybe struggled to spot the differences. If there was small differences you would very much recognize them. As a as you would see the surplus. You related that you might even think while setting sandwich trivial immune system normally your immune system when spots a pathogen and new foreign organism the organism into a couple of dozen pieces maybe hundred sometimes and goes through a molecular identity parade offering to this new system until Immune system say. Hey i recognize that the lease and their advice from most self a record that peace and he goes on so on so on until you've taken the molecular identity parade or the pieces of ivars can be hopping so now if a very on zero point three percent different ninety nine points epicenter. Same and your body pieces as you would expect. Most of those little pieces are identical. So the little pieces that you cut off from the early avar seen other words. These small changes in the barons hopelessly to fool you about it thinking. It's a new passage the really important point Immune escape may mean. Your body is folded a new team in something possible. Let's create quickly. Give you another yardstick. See you can judge equally on human member in africa. Three there was an earlier saws. Bias in spread so widely around the world but it was alarming cove to the latest version is percents from from the saws. Two thousand twenty percents. That's about eight hundred times more distant from the virus but there's some inch frausing immunologists. They managed to find some e that'd be infected with saw into haven't free awesome if they would be willing to donate blood and they did and they extracted their t. Memory cells and see two important questions. They still remember saws seventeen years later. They did older people who have been infected seventeen years ago that sell little when they sold the samar's the second question was if you give them today's south not did they. Did they respond or not. Respond or was founded on. It shouldn't be that much of a surprise because eighty percent of new virus. No-one are identical with that story. Twenty percent difference is composed inadequate boating. That is the new virus so why world would possibly believe people telling that point. Three percent is an obstacle. The problem you answer is it's not a jio question about why it's why speaking why we being told otherwise on my straight ceres is not my dream so i don't know why they're doing it. They all lying to us directly telling untruthful statements. I i know as experiencing nauseous reading the literature theory and the practice is line. Worry about now. People hearing this right now are probably feeling quite alarmed but not surprised. A lot of people feel lied to right now but it still is very scary. Can you think of possibly why we are being so deceived. I i will tell quite early on that. We were not being told the truth. Appropriate lakes april last year off to wants to first lock was maybe three or four weeks old. And i've seen the peak of deaths pete access deaths a post in the uk and honored relief. Steve a number of daily falling on instead of than government saying worst the way it was passed. Good back to your normal lives. They said we're gonna lock down again and again and again until widemann saw at that. At that point. June appeared on works out. Something very malaya's so as to walk that walls of self senate several months. Because i also didn't have an onsite but i've come to the scary conclusion. That really is getting the world's population onto the world's first date what wills i database with common format. Where all of us have a unique. Id unique idea they'll be at least long field it's edible which will contain either thumps. You'll vaccine possible his or come down. the could be as many fields if you like added. That's not say it's likely tell you what else could be done. But if this vaccine possible scheme comes into being your event if i'm vaccinating doll have eczema. That says i am where i am and the donning tight per the algorithm is enforced that day cross a particular threshold or conduct a particular transaction. If on the other hand my vaccine invalid. I will be prevented from crossing show performing a transaction. Goal at tally. -tarian control literally be nothing. I might want to do that. Wouldn't be in the gift. Whoever controls that database and the algorithm. And what do i believe is that i think is the objective Before push everybody onto this first ever interactive common format algorithm driven edible vaccine possible. I think if that happens. So that's the end of liberal democracy accountancy away in juba step off that platform because the algorithm simply needs to say you need about hostile. He noted assay by gasoline. Show even use your bankcard crossing the international border absolutely anything if they want to require a valid passport. His thing that's the front and however you listen because you might be mess not back. Maybe leaders will be more benign but if they send you a reminder and said it's unique comfort top rank saying i will talk about humpbacks. Say also says. Would you mind bringing in your thirteen year old song. Your twelve year olds ultra wide. One of the bottom of the app will say you do not private. This requests vaccine possible expiring twenty days so if you if you want you to laugh systems coming into force there is nothing you can't can be posted. You all empowered to. She's because the system will simply exclude you from your life. Yeah that's about why on. That's why i think they'd be to took me ten or eleven months to arrive at that view. But it's not like crime and might be other reasons. Or i can tell you is nothing reaping told. He's kinda chain. I'm going to ask you to speculate once again. Do you believe that this has been preplanned for some time. Now let me say a couple things. I'm kind of middle class. Going to the professional circuit. All of my life head down wilpon deep reasonably well would lost a conspiracy theorist i read middle-of-the-road newspapers. I would vote for pontiac monte. I've never had a public position on anything campaign for politician. Or coles or against coles. And so i would until this year to anyone who came up with something that be conspiracy theory but i am now with that backdrop convinced. We are in the middle of as cycle through operation. That's affecting substantial causal weld who skulls all holy melena who the actors are late guests. Some of them. And i don't really care what the purpose is. It's extremely bad that we saw. We've locked down economies in civil society for prolonged periods on simply no basis doing that search down. Economically socially psychologically. I do believe that your question as planned. Unfortunately i realized over the last three months. Multiple parties in the world have have done as it were. They walking the table talk. Simulations all pandemics all chemical biological warfare kind of knew that months ago. I remember I think it was operation. Atlantic's on the tv but realizes doesn't these things that run from one thousand nine hundred thirty two events to a wall thousand nine hundred so basically this being sufficiently coordination refining four. An event light Flip a little bit and say well if you wanted to manufacturers use exactly the same management techniques response or in reelect general crisis so bottom line is i'm afraid on drawn kicking and screaming and reluctantly to to the complete. It's most likely to be having a longtime. I'm afraid now just a year ago. Those of us who were warning about the possibility of vaccine passports were called conspiracy theorist and you know now. It is something that is being discussed within our government. So we're starting to see that happen. And i also want to touch on lockdowns the science behind them. Before we get to the vaccines do you think. There was any justification ever to put an entire nation or the entire world on lockdown and how damaging our lockdowns to one's health to the first question was the justification absolutely no and obviously it's hideous see damaging because the lord economic activity stops That will ratchet downwards solo general wealth nations. We know that address conferences on straight away. It isn't just a free policy lockdown his neutral. Let's say people. From covid lockdown courses bad straits rates enormously costly at every level usually the justification justification wallis and then against his arms and legs justification. Was this is a dangerous nevada nevada. It's a virus that is transmitted between people by human contact's that much is true and so then they jumped several debts and set for all. If we can reduce the average number human contacts. We vote so transmission. But they made a mistake. It isn't just. It isn't even the number of human context that allows the evidence to spread very specifically. This is the number of infectious contacts. That's very different. Every will no never heard for symptomatic concept perfectly well person representing respiratory virus threats or another post i was invented about a year ago. Never be mentioned before downstream it. Just stop you right there. This is something. This asymmetric spread was previously not discussed within the medical field. Is that correct. Yes when when we go back and ask the question you call papers about this. Which is surprising that something they call. I think it's been discussed. People were wondering at what stage in the of your disease. Response to avars. What stage would you become impacted. Would you ever be a stage where you could be very infectious. Not aware and then we'd go to this idea of symptomatic all pawsey symptomatically. Basically the virus is growing in your body new fighting back those two things resulting simpson's with no question not also body for the Virus the point. You're building factors source. G not to have some concede as well. That's not possible. And so yeah. We'll strengthen yester- point is it's not true. That people without senators are strong research respect and so where way with the these infectious contacts occurring enormous in gem community why because to be an infectious risk uniquely photographs symptomatic. Ejecting virus bars droplets. Those people already have symptoms. If you've got a bad flu or there's a copy of since you feel out also be very unwell. Also you've taken to your bed also in hospital what you're not going to be doing this living normal life going around the community shopping and so my conscious this ever community there were long number of infectious contact. Events neville removing those contact by talking down the general population. You wouldn't expect too much transmission so it shouldn't be surprised that they didn't have much ex. Transformation mccurry it's where people are immobilized sitting dramatic an ill an in contact with well. People sounds like hostels or can possibly your own domestic residents. I think genetic. I think mostly hospitals and cavs poor second was the domestic asian and i think in general community almost every time though we we smashed everything folds pretentious and it didn't do translation and now we know why i wanna talk now about vaccines in in particular. That m aren a vaccine. This is the first time in history that we have seen the widespread use of 'em. mri vaccines can. You explain the difference between a traditional vaccine and this. Mri vaccine thank you. Yes the traditional vaccine going back as us right back into the eons of time hundreds of years ago with eight general people like that they would take a either an attenuated version of the infection. Something that weakened and often it would just be kale's you basically grow up. Boggle grow the virus usually viruses and kill it chemically modify. Give you up to find stays and your body recognize some of the fragrance this deceased pathogen and grow both antibody responses in our results to those so that if you encounter the real life thing you're going i recognize. I've seen this already. Got special weapons and techniques liken defendant my host these these new vaccines of quite different than it contain any for passenger while they did vs code genetic code for part of the pathogen. And so basically that's messenger. Aren age is something that between your your dna eugene's and printing. It's the message that action copies genes Something you can actually say. And so for the first time ever widespread use messenger aren based vaccine and go whilst they would inject laxed into you find its way into sandro. Sales some of their selves than copied. The message almost as if you're reading genes would manufacture that piece of the pathogen. And you've response that it struck me at the time icon unnecessarily going around the house white. Why would you take free six back when you could. Just give some of the death dead pathogen. But it is true. That not in used before when i was in when i left big pharma. Ten years ago that technology is still experimental. An experimental targets all severe disease like cancer and the reason that was true. Was that when i left ten years ago. We still haven't Two key problems while moss. To make enough of this messenger or rene that would be staples. Jackie judd or simply not state or why wouldn't it be. It's mentally something that only exists for very short period of time. It copies your dna interpreting. Wait signal like a radio dot coms. You receive it go. It's not meant to be stabilized number one of the problems. Trying to manufacture it would often degrade automated or cg geoghegan's or seven and the other problem was couldn't get it inside. Sales is not surprising. You normally make it inside. A sale works trying to sound the products again. Roman as it than goes off into the extra cellular the surface of something. Nobody so it's not natural. Our nature ride externally traveling inside the senate. In fact you have defenses to prevent that very thing thing why that might be. Stop foreign yet Lead for genetics from getting into saying scenery. You don't want this to happen. And you have a well-developed fences that will recognize it as a and so yeah sly with extraordinarily surprise in string of australian. Multiple companies have adopted this technology for the production of vaccines. And i. i've not felt good about the too bad. Because i just i think they must be less safe in conventional. Axes must be. What are some of the risk factors with the mr a vaccine in. What can it possibly do to the body. So i continue you. Some of the things we did review the dossiers that had been submitted to medicines regulators and while the innovators from any faxes not stone is described wearing the body. The the message a goes onto a and they also they haven't determined how long offense of the messenger are a lost. Might strike you as a tremendous surprise while. I've been asked to do that. And the answer is because they classify themselves as a vaccine and vaccines of not regard to do this. The reason autism. It's normally just a piece of dead pathogen We know him. A what was with. Dozens of these things are the decades to identify. Where does it go. How long does it affect loss. Now i think they should have been asked to do that. I set that vaccines. But i think that unbe classifies classifies misleadingly. So i think they should gold gene based vaccines. Because that's what we all. I'm so what i'm telling you is. We don't know where they we don't know how long that affects loss. And that one concerns about potential side effect in particular. All if the spike protein-based gene based vaccines i think they all share. I'm not sure. I ca notice was accidentally all share a fast risk effect. That's because all of them are designed for your body himself somewhere. H-honestly cells manufacturing machinery. Make a piece of pathogen which is find this things you see on the outside politics but spike protein on the is docking protein is allows the virus to find to sail sex on the outside of havens. But it's not a passive binding. Protein biologically active. It can prompt self to stick together. It's has refused ganic properties and it can also initiate blood coagulation. Now if you imagine a person perceive a vaccine mo a vaccine travel around their body and deposit different. You need to be a typical. Is this like people are getting blood. Clots some explaining. yes so a. You would expect to nobel distribution all whether a vaccine goes. Some people make very little will be picked up late. People have to middling amounts but the be some people are on the tail risk. The right hand side they might. Lord of the message might be picked up in a place where they've honor navy in a blood vessel in the brain or in some bronx pointed us now. We mentioned you have to be one of the unlucky people to have a load of that virus. The the mexico rene and then yet again manufactured losses protein in that salt because it'll be a normal distribution every person save. You will outline of the line. The one in a few thousand you could end up jason la spike ready in just thrown pace in your body you happen to be susceptible to formation of a blood draw even more staunching bow properties is crazy. I would predict. This is spent and sure enough. They found in europe. I think several cases of women quite young twenty to fifty who've died of cerebral vein thrombosis even the regulators. Now say believe it is And all of these gene based vaccines. I think they all have this kind of tail risk effect because unlike a conventional vaccine when you get a defined those that's what you get with the one encodes you've got multiple properties. One is a distribution. How's it taken out efficient. Is i just did not automatically widen zambo all of the bottles responses. And if you happen to be one of the people on the far right hand side gets a blood clot. It could kill you. So that's that's where. I think we got to and as a toxic juice. That was mine. I i would expect that. The aussie effects. I i wouldn't know whether it was worse or better with one. Messenger aren't a vaccine lunar alba. But i would say it should qualitatively have similar. It's not enough to say why don't use the astra zeneca long blood. Clots you something else. I think they hope to find crazy. I would think if you look properly instead of looking the other way. You'll see a similar defects so you mentioned some unlucky people. Do you think that these potential risks are clinically significant. Yes i do think. Because i'm afraid we have had some deaths through bombo embolic events athletic clots and bleeding. That's a have occurs in people whether background race of that finding is very loud. And that's where he wants. Come out of you're healthy. Young woman don't have any special risks over buttocks let alone. You're eating chicken vulnerable spot in your brain. You arrive at hospital. Blinding headaches take a history and they diagnostics and they say person has cerebral vein thrombosis. Something about fifty percents of people who wanna get that. It's a week saliers plant blood out from your brain is being treated by Fault it turns out that people have that agent disposition very rarely suffer from this complication so when they saw seven one after the other short time in common factor was recently had these vaccines. It didn't take them long to is could be it. And then another country had a similar plus in the same kind of patients. But i didn't think it's only in those patients that blood flow form is really important to communicate his. It's that it they will unable to avoid. It's the couldn't look the other way because sonnets vein From each show unusual that get seven case. Seven thousand quite close together. It's not background finding but what about people who are a little older sickle go talks not uncommon as they keep telling us well if you had doubled rakes. One probably wouldn't notice doesn't mean it's not that in fact unconvinced as the top is probably all cohorts both genesis we've been is this only because incur the other way. The background rate was so low shoulder officer had subscribe to the. This is so incredible. I do want to ask you about this stage that we are in with this vaccine. Rollout are we still in the experimental stage. Yes definitely surprised. I'm surprised that you're asking that. Because because you and i know that the exhaust they have received Experimental use authorization. Certainly europe and us probably other places to what does that mean. It means the authorities have decided. There is a sufficiently official crisis. Going on under there are no alternative medical treatments. And so this is something and so we'll let you use this because i think it's questionable whether still in and if would not only -mergency anything it's time to lift the authorization because being emotional is they are still welcome pivotal phase. Three trials. people probably know the drug takes phase long house. New volunteers to working at sea world can walk days patients. Face the long term safety in fixing usually take years and in this case about two years ago so risk two years from the goal. Line we normally even tentatively allow these rogue on general Two years and what's happened in that. Time is the alternative. Medical treatments said people have a drugstore cornell corticosteroids like he doesn't i i've Patent anti parasitic all free if these Shown really good. Close trials of at least same powers as the vaccine Similar rebecca a so why all regulators around the world. Just a voting. There is an with teaching to look at these other treatments on. The answer is if they do that in the most usual relations vaccines tony. And so when. I've been very frustrated as drug. Stop run loan the leash three or four china treatments. I definitely want for myself. My relatives if i had nineteen and a the regular either battling simply said these unhospitable or they've just gone deaf. Dominating will not j. appropriation and where the road map. I think would be breakfast. Even if you put most positive spin on the clinical profile of these experimental vaccines. I think they should be made available. Offered to the people who were clearly elevated. Risk of dying is there infected ninety. We should have given them to anyone else. If you'll say on my six sixty. I have no existing medical conditions. There were hardly any brought him. Hardly anyone a male sixty no preconditions hobby. Anyone in britain dying even with in the last sixteen miles fewer people died of covid with in my cut-rate with a description line. Martin died from. She's one of my hobbies. So i had mentioned that. Just give you a flavor for the risks and get vaccinated the entire population of the united kingdom including people much of a made. These risks are much lower and yet all from carrying a society risks whether known or not known so it was always inappropriate. Things we've have done. And i'm more trouble sunday's aw. Ib moxie materials swayed campaigns to try and persuade pregnant women in the trenches to get vaccinated wind will kind of unethical monster does that and they're also pediatric Having on studies in children For disease they never get in. You came from a single child who is fit in. Well acquired this dying not one. We've ten million children under the age of ten and later in the year they take to code governs slams. How can that possibly make any sense. There's no clinical benefit if they're not susceptible to getting ill with the virus not How would you then offsets. The known risks knows Will be things. We don't understand yet of his. They were on the goal line. And that's why i'm doing these instincts. I believe we have with yang breakfast. In offering these axioms pushing vaccine to people who are not elevated risks from from dying from the virus any ethical reason. Why can't see this. And that's what finally that kicking and screaming to the if there isn't a benign reason why it's being done but must be power. And i think that malign reason which would explain why everybody's vaccinated is we're going to force you guys. Everybody in women children bench babies onto unique. Will i vaccine hostile based id system. And if people don't resist this i think any democracy everywhere just clear crash align on thoroughly enjoyed just hugely privilege. I would say foams into glory days. A friend walks described it as the lost truly important. Organiz games reynolds trying to find what's going wrong. Human disease halloween's the to help patients and decide with the fewest man saga rats. That's the nation. So i'm massively in behavioral new and exciting therapeutics weather then creams or tablets latian phrase vaccines wines. What i'm frozen is. I'm pro statements on very much against things that i think are very much against things when they used in the wrong concept stage to give strong. Mets dominance don't miss the game from it not giving equal announced so with that as a backdrop. My wife similar description. You'd same age new conditions. We've checks. No one of fiction is dining with kobe on children that twentieth federal conditions. Why in the world would i do anything of say. You don't have a risk to reduce risk from this. Virus would wants anytime taking a risk to reduce the risk so say because of that that they did but on my parents are dead but they around they would be mid eighties and if they will otherwise reasonably while i might say might be worth considering taking it. Risks but most people on killed by the by and deeply viewed ever metro protection. So let's talk about it so i'm not anti vaccine nc. Since i'm not anti against all these facts vaccine in the right context what i'm absolutely solidly against is way. They being pushed into young. V people not at risk from the virus therefore bearing the adverse consequences small launch and. That's that's never been netflix. Sported before in a civilized society is the sort of thing of nightmarish so bad behavior casey that while he is by businesses. I just don't want any octopus. Dr dolores k hill of university college. Dublin has predicted that within three to five years of receiving the vaccine. This vaccine people will unfortunately die as a result of receiving this vaccine and we knew as well the the more harm from these amarnath vaccine will happen in the years to come so my you know what i've been saying all along is anyone is over seventy who gets one of these. Mri vaccines will probably sadly died. Within about two. Three years. And i would say anyone who gets the injection. No matter what age you are your life expectancy will be reduced to die. If you're in your thirties within five to ten years and you agree with that assessment. I wouldn't say agree or disagree. I respect so it's hugely comment though. That's we actually don't know wall happen right with. This experiment has not yet been wrong to conclusion. I know she's giving her honest opinion. And i would say she could be right but i believe we didn't know what to say. We that will definitely happen. She's not wrong to point out that diseases like the security salted south dong fevers. Well there have been peculiar situations where people with antibodies to to this pathogen have sometimes experience of phenomen anti dependence. Worst disease antibody dependent enhancing. This cold is not good in this case. I think that maybe where roses coming. And i think what might be giving his joining the dots from prior bad experiences. In saying that. I think serious pat. And i i think i would. I would go say that my mom might might be concern though if we can get. Should we get variance. Because that's that's might ease greatest zana's of his might disagree with me so given replied to doors concern would like at some point get on mine literally keeps me way he asked of course please deal i think i mentioned earlier that the variance all some people them scary that they used as psychological Is something in. I saw constantly colon. The state needs. I read the old berry also simmers in the original. There's no top forty will see them as if you knew so with that as a backdrop is lit scary that politicians he tetanus now various. I'm having to porter's stopping moving around the world and took a worrying homesick. Misty will make mortifying vaccines that will address these new new variants and not hopefully somewhat compensated for companies actually manufacturing variant vaccines. But what it might correct impulsive. I am this is my strength immunology. Watch us tokyo's absolutely true shows the original implausible. Impossible you would need new vaccines combinator and yet you're being told necessary. You tell the being manufactured from is that question had is in this bottles of varying vaccine and then say the world's regulates similar to vaccines Being used by the way against tavassoli remind us that they are the most useful authorized anyway but regulates said we don't need any single safety testing thumeries these variants so keep combined my whole about lapsing hostels and how you be compelled to do whatever they from. You combine that with an opportunity to be told. Go get your burying back. Same vom. sifton's she can make whatever the hell they once put it. In a violent you'll get along injected with. It might my significant various if somebody wanted to wanted to arrange a situation where massive collation could be a company could be accomplished. This would probably be perfect way of doing it. Only needs to have some shoot sauna fia periodically virus arises and the media's full of fear poll bazzi. You would go that you would get wouldn't suspect anything. You've you've been thinking but if three months six months a year later whatever it is in those messenger aol. Cna topa vaccine brings about whatever the design is. Maybe it'll make you ill maybe security possible deniability. On a long-running human fights against horrible pathogens santio. These people died. that's what i think. The plausible deniability steph from media suppression of people like median pints clearly manufacturer or i think unfortunately fortunes had not it products and then eventually gospel from white gum get them. I just literally nightmare. Isn't it but it's happening. What i just described is pretty government six. So it's not like crime if unroll and anyone listening says i've thought opt gone raw feeds the dog. Say you right to. Taylor is all sweet. But i've i've offices challenging writing in the face facing not one person has come up with one as the benign into a war absolutely doctorate in. It has become very clear that we are headed down a very dangerous path to be possibly existing in a biosecurity state. What can people do to stop this from happening. Yes it's great. It's really wyoming wyoming. Here i would say if you are not at elevated risk of dying. If infected cleans june have the scene. I'm not anti vaccine safe safety. Don't take it because you didn't have an elevated newbridge. It would be like giving a twenty year old. A flu vaccine company wouldn't come with that is it say i'm risk off from his roxie out but i can tell you if you're trying to see your risk of dying from injuries romulo higher than the chunks dining of government it is stoke to john i ninety calculation share this if you will understand your sixty a greater risk of dying from him so answered the covid nineteen so gidon influenza vaccine lost season. Why would you wanna call nineteen vaccine. You're less from that. So so that's the thing one is. You're not from the virus seriousness eligibility and all already ill Vaccine if you simply choose not to nothing you and your his family friends what makes take it. They can't stop vaccine impossible system. You may have a good chance. In in north america. As i think you'll way behind on percentage vaccinate we already lost in uk Mid sixty percent. Now i think battles might even be pretty much more than anyone else is the most vaccinating first world country on. We'll get we're going to be the first will beating country as it's not gonna be. It's gonna be dog. So i would be you be bland dish the swayed to take this. Dan brought vaccines. If you're not at risk from the disease why in the world would you take the vaccine even if safe and then not the next thing is campaign like hell against vaccine possibles. Look if you were vulnerable posted and he'd been offered the vaccine and exacted his any past good experience you'll now immune you're protected. You don't need to not immune stakes. Is anyone while side of the football game or in the queue at a supermarket Place at all even maybe in a restaurant don't need to know it you're already protected dislike. You would have been if you'd have to jam. You didn't ask anyone else for that. Tell me your immune stasis forgotten friends of this year if you vulnerable need be vaccinated your taxes. Don't need a faux protection or a vaccine gospel. If you yang fit you know vulnerable anyway again. Game you indian states if anyone does want the vaccine possible. It's the people persuading us to habits. It's the people who want to control us. You'd have needed benefit from it does make your life constrain the owns major so campaign against it get vaccinated unless you law. Hi vulnerable to the virus. And pete mouton's countries that are vaccinating slightly. That's my plan. I have to leave. A knocking. acclimated tolerates throughout. This has been very insightful. And i opening dr michael jordan. Thank you thank you for letting this message get out to multiple thank you. Thank you. And i wanna thank you all for watching today. Make sure you show this video with your friends and your family as you all know. This is a very suppressed topic in the mainstream news. But if you feel compelled to act after everything that you just heard in want to prevent a possible medical tyranny and dystopia vaccination passport. I highly suggest that you also visit doctors. For covert ethics dot medium dot com. You can also follow this organization on twitter at doctors. The number four covert ethics. This particular organization is comprised of doctors and scientists from around the world who are upholding medical ethics in human rights in response to covid nineteen. But lastly i wanna thank you all once again. Make sure that you give this video thumbs up. And don't forget to subscribe to the last american vagabond. I'm independent journalists. Taylor hudek and i'll see you next time.
Inside The Big Bang Theory, with Simon Helberg and Bill Prady
"From the American Museum of natural history in New York City, and beaming all space and. Is startling. We're science and up. Welcome to the hall of the universe. I'm your host, Neil degrasse Tyson your personal astrophysicist. And tonight, we're talking about the big bang theory. The hit TV show that portrays scientists as its main characters, but also the giant explosion that gave birth to the universe itself. So let's do this. Comedic co host tonight, Jack nice. Always always good to see you. Joining us as my friend and fellow astrophysicist and start talks resident geeking chief Charles Liu. Yeah. All right. Professor City University of New York on Staten Island, kiss and your fountain of knowledge of all things science and up culture as through. And I'm believe me, do you watch. So we'll be tapping your geeks petits tonight as we discussed the portrayal of science and scientists in the hit TV sitcom, the big bang theory. So of course, in science big bang theory describes the origin of the universe. Yes. On TV. Be bang theory falls, a group of sort of nerdy. Scientists and it draws it's humor from the science of the universe itself. So we have a clip from the show to demonstrate this fact, check it out. How would you determine the ground state of a quantum system with no exact solution? I would just wave function and then various parameters until I found the lowest energy solution. Do you know how to integrate squared times each to the minus x without looking it up ID's fine men's trip differentiate under the integral sign, okay? Charles. Yes, did you ever in your life? Imagine that you would hear the phrase differentiate under the integral sign as the punchline in a sitcom. I think you're sooner or later is some talented comedy writer would figure it out. No, I wouldn't know rely. That's true. Let let me say this. Okay. That show clearly showed its southern California bias because very few people outside of Caltech call that fireman's trick. It's usually called lioness's rule almost everyone in the universe. Well on earth. Almost everyone uses it calls it lightness rule. But there it was like I'd use fine men's trick. Yeah. Gig humor. So the main characters of the big banks theories include two physicists, and Astro physicist. A neuroscientist a microbiologist and an aerospace engineer sees the main characters sounds like a party. Well, the character who is trying to prove his scientific worthiness in that clip as an aerospace engineer just character. He's played by Simon Helberg nabbed Simon for star talk interview when I was last out in LA, right? It was cool. And so I asked him about his own scientific roots to check it out. Jimmy KiKi memories as a kid science, teachers, you either loved or hated or or were you picked on where you bullied, well, those are separate not by science teachers. They always pretty nice to me. But I I'm some believing teachers occasionally, yes, that's true. I I had a good the science teachers were always the cool ones. Like, we had one that was like definitely a hippie and had a ponytail despite not having a lot of hair. And which is maybe that's the science thing. I don't know. It's the last gas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then he has a comb over. Comb over he had to be kinda he had to be cool so ponytail despite no I was impressed by science immediately. And then he let us do open book tests, which I thought was reactionary in the day. They always they were always the ones that did a little outside the box had another in seventh grade a really cool science teacher. So I was very interested in science right off the bat. Was he was talking about ponytails and KOMO Breyer's whole deal, which brings me to a. Scares me when you pull out your little free by five cars. I I realized that science hair. Thing. Science hair is something. Charles. Do you have we teach? Yes. Do you have any quirky teaching styles? I tests I give open internet tests. Really, what is the point of higher education today? It's so that you can be better than a search engine better than the app on your phone, otherwise who would want you to be part of their team. So get anybody to search engine or I'm not going to tell someone. Hey, tell me on a test regurgitate a fact like the diameter of a planet Jupiter. Okay. I'm not going to do that. Because you can just look that up. Instead, I'm going to tell you here's a planet. Here's a certain size of planet. Tell me what you think the center is made up. Tell me what you think how much of it is atmosphere and tell me why as ABRAHAM LINCOLN said never memorize anything. You can look up on the internet. Well, it's under percents. You create a TV show about. Got me if you create a TV show about science nerds, you probably should have some science geek street cred yourself. Okay. So not only had I interviewed Simon Helberg. I sat down with co creator the big bang theory Bill Brady, and I asked him about the origin of the show. That's check it out. In a big bang starts with Chuck Laurie who I created the show with and we began talking about people that I knew in my previous career in computer software. And I I was a programmer and in the early days of microcomputers, and we started talking about those people in Chuck felt that he hadn't seen people like that on television. And I agreed because the, you know, the for lack of a better word the nerd, you know, kind of character was portrayed in a very homogenized way. And I knew from being in that world that this was you know, that this was this was Darwin's finches. There's a lot of different kinds of of nerds and geeks, and you know in all of that. And it's in fact, it's a it's a rich kind of community. It's a much more tolerant if it weren't rich. You couldn't write ten years or stories short short. But but I knew this from living in the world. And and you know, people people who are for lack of a better way of saying wire. It a little differently. Who's who's who's outlook on the world is a little different show when we were talking about characters like that. And they weren't depicted on television. And we really wanted to get back to a world of sort of pure intellectual exploration. And we started talking about what are those fields, and Chuck, and I are both science nerds. And at that point. It was very clear that we'd found exactly what we were looking for in terms of profession for the characters built you realize that if you Google big bang theory, your show comes up first and creation of the universe comes up. Second. I like that. Well, so I I also have to ask Bill Brady. How does he make sure every episode that he gets the science, right? The writers get the science right because they know that if they're trying to put on a science show, and they get some of the facts wrong that we would call their stuff out. They know this. And so let's see how they deal with this challenge. Check it out. We are the only television show we think in history that employs physicist on staff. So Dr David Salzburg of UCLA is our consulting physicist. And he is there excetera he writes, the equations on the writes, he writes equations on the board, but more than that, he will help us, you know, whether sometimes it's a small piece of dialogue, and we're just going to say, you know, Sheldon had a bad day at work. What's he complaining about? But sometimes he'll work, and we'll really integrate something into a story because we want to say, well, what are the guys working on at work? Now. What's what's happening and Shelby was working on a graphing problem and a new form of carbon a new new Fogel? I think it was awarded a Nobel prize for its discovery was later that years carbon in a plane as flat plain of carbon. Yeah. Right. And it wives all kinds of owned properties to it. Yeah. It has different properties from other other arrangements of carbon atoms and it winds up being very. For things and to scientists were what are the Nobel prize and in their Nobel prize acceptance lecture, they played a clip from the big bang theory shoe with Sheldon working on the graphic. But this goes back to thing that we talked about when we started doing big bang theory. Which is if we're going to give them a job. Let's have them do the job. Right. And let's have let's have it be that. If somebody is familiar with what they're doing that it we're not going to get it. Perfect. But let's see threshold was scientists shouldn't throw their shoes at the television. Up next. We'll check out my own little cameo appearance on the big bang theory or win star talk return. This is start. Can back. From the American Museum of natural history right here in New York City. We're talking about the TV show the big bang theory. And I asked big banks theory star Simon Helberg if he was surprised that a sitcom about scientists would actually work as check it out. When you addition for the show, and you see the first few scripts are you saying, okay, this will flop this with no one is going to get this. Here's about scientists. Now. I think that I think I know I did not think way back in seven. Yeah. No. I didn't I didn't think that the show would flop, but I by this point, I I actually had gotten to very sort of zen place with it where I didn't think much about it. I just assumed I just I just said, I'll do the pilot. And and I and I will be able to do another pilot. If this Beila doesn't because that was kind of how I lived was pilot to pilot failed pilot failed pilot. But at this point, I thought this is it's it's a it's a very very good script, and I will just commit to this week of work. And then when we shot it that that was the moment that I realized oh this audience this audience is something kind of spectacular. Is happening here where? Nobody knew the hardest thing about shooting pilots. Nobody knows these characters and nobody knows the world and generally to set up characters in a world you need more than twenty two minutes. It's really really hard to do. And and if you if you don't have the world because the world created in the show. Yeah. The universe of the show you exactly yes. And if you can do if you can do it in twenty two minutes, usually you don't get to the joke until the last minute because you have to set it up for so long. So it's not funny usually either. And somehow they were with us again from the moment, we started they understood who who these characters were in when I entered and canal, and I entered into it literally knocking on the door the audience applauded applauded us. And it didn't even make sense. We they didn't know who we were. And it was like I remember someone said I think CIA Lori said they were so excited that there were more nerds there were more characters to to identify with. And I so there was something in his guys they were some hunger to okay to these people. Because usually the nerd is. Just the. The one character maybe like starkly. There was the one gay care one Asian character. And they're there for as a token. Yeah reference. This was like all sidekicks like usually. Yeah. You get the door. I played psychics a nerd now. Here's a show where they're the star. And I think people people related to that. And in the live audience, they're the two hundred people that night, they they kind of went crazy. And I had I had a moment then thinking this show is going to be it's going to be on the air. And I think that people might actually kind of quietly and secretly watch it, and and like it because slowly come out of their closet. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're never going to be friends. We were never that handsome. So, but then it kind of became that the I anti friends and some were just friends but with with bad haircuts. Sutro? Do do you think fans can identify with each more than with sort of good-looking popular characters on shows, like friends, of course, we all we all have our insecurities. We all see ourselves as different even if we make ourselves up, and strut ourselves around is being popular or famous or pretty in the end, we all are human. And we liked to see people who are human, right? The best sitcoms are the ones who take the stereotypes the caricatures. And then slowly. But surely show that they are human just like all the can't be too beautiful is what you're saying. If they are. They're just not as real. That's right. Whatever weird. Character is one of the main characters on the big bang theory is a socially awkward Sierra physicist named Sheldon selling didn't like you. And you're seeing I don't know if that was real or not because you well, check it out check this out. I'm quite familiar with Dr Tyson. He's responsible for the demotion of Pluto from planetary status. I liked Pluto. I do not like you. I actually didn't demo- Pluto. That was a vote of the international astronaut Michael union, if if and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas. Think about that Dr Tyson. Actually, I did go home and think about it deeply, okay, I will offer a reflection on that exchange. Okay. Please do Sheldon get over it. You know, I had covered. Up next. We'll take your questions about the real big bang theory. When star talk retire. The future of space and the secrets of our planet revealed. This is star talk. We're talking about the big bang theory of sick named after the origin of the universe itself. An actor Simon Helberg plays an aerospace engineer on the show. But in realize can't a question for me about the real big bay. Let's check it out. Okay. I this is I can answer this really quickly. But and I know there are theories about the the moments before the the big bang, not the pilot moments before the big bang theory pilot. I was on a show called studio sixty I'll answer that question. No moments before the actual big bang. What can I is there a way to intellectually wrap my mind around what was going on before the big thing? We've tried. Okay. And the best discussions today which have Kojin arguments for why we should think this is that our universe is part of a multi verse. Yes. And if you're part of a multi verse you can step back in a higher dimension. And sale. Here's the universe that that Simon Helberg and Neil Tyson around and that just expanded it just began right there. That's it's big bang. Right. And then it expands and then comes the TV show big bang theory. And that's that universe. Here's another university began a little later another one began a little earlier, some universities don't expand forever. They might collapse. Some have slightly different laws of physics life. Does not begin in those might have even better was a physics for a more interesting form of life than perhaps web forms and hours. And so maybe the multi complex is what's he turn? All okay. And that doesn't have a beginning. Or may have a beginning. Maybe it does. But it is what spawned our universe. Let's the beginning. A very beginning doesn't that just when you think about it don't is just cross and you just go to sleep. It's a it's a it's a philosophical, intellectual and scientist. Frontier. Yeah. And plus the universe never makes anything in. Once. We thought earth was special into one eight planets the sun the sun, especially one of one hundred billion Suns the galaxy one of one hundred billion galaxies these discoveries over the centuries. Right. But we have universe. Right. Why? Would it only be one right? Let it be many. And that would be just the next in the sequence of learning rules of three in comedy. I guess the university is the funniest of the mall like you said sense of humor, but any more than three universes. It's not funny up be sure to listen place. Joining us now to help us get into the science of the actual big bang is theoretical physicists channel eleven Janelle. Professor Barnard college Columbia University. So how would you describe the big bang? Well, I think what how would you grade my answer? I thought you answer is excellent. Actually, the idea of a scientific notion of the origin of the universe. We know dates back not to Einstein himself, actually, but to people who are trying to solve his equations and realized that it was the universe was really unstable to expanding stable to expanding. Meaning you wanna do that? That all myself. Yeah. It just it's really hard to stop it. And if you run the movie backwards, there's this inevitable implication that everything was closer together. The entire universe was closer together. And as you imagine going further back in that movie. There must have been this catastrophically high-energy event. And there's no other alternative he asks what was real before them. We would you would you come Winterland on that. So I think if you start to say how long was it before the big bang where were you standing when you were waiting for the big name to happen? Then you're talking about space time, and then you're talking about the universe. So if there was aware and win a place before the big bang. It was part of a university part of his face time. And that was what you will lose to the idea that really are big bang like a ginger root that was blown off of a larger space time. Beautiful. Yeah. And then that it's just like a series of these ginger roots. But you also have to remember because of the relativity of space and time when we look back at the big bang is being an origin and time that for some. Where else in the space time that might be a direction in space. It's not easy to say that plume happened before this Plumer that big bang happened before this being I think we becomes a much more abstract proposition that we're just part of this stranger ecosystem. But I appreciate the question. Which is aren't we sort of punting where did that come from? Right. Where did the original plume route even even further multi-diverse straight or has it are we back to I'm since intuition, which was it was always there. And maybe in some sense. There's always been a space time, and it's just our little our little plume. That's how do you get across the concept of something that might not have had a beginning the freaks people out. Yeah. I mean, I remember when I was there. Freaky? The idea that the universe has a beginning. It requires a lot of explanations and the idea do both. We ray. When you all your options are weird. I think picking the crab in there. I just remember I'm old enough to remember, the Kennedy assassination and his funeral at Arlington cemetery and in in Virginia, and they had this flame and was called the terminal flame. And it was and how old am I like five years old, and it's like eternal? Whoa. What does that even me? But then I got geeky on us. It don't have to put fuel in it. Oh, you started early. It was the concept of something. That was not finite that it was my first encounter with the non finite. Yeah. And so the big bang is all about the non finite. You gotta live in that shows, you how do you teach the big bang any differently from gin what I like to convey to my students is that we have to stop thinking of time as this one thing that we're all stuck on each universe or sub universe or multi verse has multiple directions in time just as we can think of left right up down forward backward. We can think of time is going forward and backward. But it'll be different times in different parts of the multi-diverse. If it exists. I'm more confused now. It starts getting confusing. But then starts making more sense. If you start realizing that you don't think of time as thing where something has to be before it something has to be in the present. And something has to be after it. That's really true in our unit. You're invoking Whibley wobbly tiny weeny. Aren't you know, I'm actually booking string theory. When we go to eleven dimensions. Some sort of super symmetric bulk you can think of universes or versions of universes with more than one time dimension or different time dimensions altogether. So our universe. Only began when time began in our universes start to tick. He says more than one time dimension. I can't wrap my head around that that that. I mean, I think the idea of there being extra spatial dimensions. In general is really what string theory voices on us. But it's not specific only to string theory as soon as we started talking about space time people in nineteen fifteen nineteen twenty were asking why three white three dimensions. It's not. It's not six or ten tents became a question that became a scientific question. You could ask which is why not? Dimension. All the way up to eleven. So Jen, how do you? How do you communicate? What was around before anything was around? Well, I think this is exactly the question that if you're if you're saying before you're making temporal comparison. And there had to be a space time Ensor naval that either, you know, the the kind of classic responses if you're on the earth, and you want to go north of the North Pole you go south, right? So you if you're sticking to the earth, you're sticking to that constraint Yugoslav, there's nothing north of the North Pole the questions poorly phrased, but I don't think we think like that anymore. So we can't say what's before the big bang. The question is poorly. Phrased if our universe is the only universe. But if it's not in the sense that you're describing of the multi then we can't say, oh, there is a space in a time prior. But you know, they might not look at the big bang is being in the future. They might look at it as being in a spatial that our feeble existence in this universe prevents us from possibly even knowing how to ask the right question star talk fans have their own questions about the science of the big bang, which. Takes us to the fan. Favourite section of star. Talk called cosmic queries. Chuck you've got the question go. Here we go. This is Tim commie on Instagram who says what exploded and what did it explode into Jenner? Take question. Well, let me start with the second part because a star explodes. We can point to the center of the explosion. And we watched the material plow out like a snowplow. And so there's a center of the explosion. And you can clearly that is not our model the big bang. There was no center every place in the universe is far away as we can see was once the center as were we there. So it's it's not the explosion of something in-space time. It is sort of the eruption of space time itself being created in that moment, and stretching Tim just answered that. Why would you talk? That was a beautiful expiration actually beautiful. It was very eloquent wanting to think of sometimes it's like if you made a map of the universe, and he just imagined focusing on the legend and the legend the map was static. You know, it was telling you the distance between us and drama to the distance between us and the different galaxy and the legend is is telling you that that distance is increasing over time. The universe is expanding. If we run it backwards every single point in space gets closer and closer together. But it's only happening at the level of the legend so nowhere on that map imagines infinite new slighted around nowhere on that map. Can you point to the center? It's just that every place collapses to nothing. Very cool. All right. Jacob Casey from buffalo. New York says what are some questions about the big bang that we hope to answer with the new James Webb space? Charles L, scope, drove James Webb allows us to see literally to the beginning of the formation of stars and galaxies in our universe. So. Whereas if tuned for that. Yeah, we are designed so that we can. See the era. When matter is I coming together and shining light through the universe that we can observe. So those questions that can be answered by figuring out the origins of structure of the universe. Stars galaxies planets, eventually people that's what James Webb is going to try to address and also in later in the later years because it took a long time to design and build, and it's not even launched yet that they've added other kind of objectives for it including looking deep into gas clouds to explore the formation of stars and planets themselves and possibly formation of the supermassive black holes, which the centers of galaxies. Why are they this black holes that are four million times? Massa Senate billion times messages in the middle of every we've ever had the opportunity to see right there, basically sculpting, the universe on the largest gales that was not at all for foreseen. So where did they come from? And how are they influencing the formation of the entire? Large landscape with lists junkie becoming all right here. We go. Thinking about. From starfish skies on Instagram says, what color was the big bang. Was it the color of love? Janet, what color was the big bang. It's interesting that what I would say, I see I would have said why which is all colors. Nobody would be it'd be very hot going through all colors. So then you get to there is an interesting question about about when it was right in the optical that we could actually talk about blue a red. Right. So there was a moment in the universe's history. When the light left over from the big bang was in the optical ring that Kyun beings could see. So I don't remember exactly when it was Charlotte's like million billion. When the Mike when the light microwave background optical. So it was formed free thousand degree glowing the time between then and now that pass through the obstacle. Right. So. So there would have been a time where there was no night guy had we Kelvin is already infrared. So it had to be before you thousand Kelvin registered to. Super early. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yes. It's really what they do. Theories day. That's why just sat here I'm gonna I'm gonna let this. We go. All right. This is from Llamas piece on Instagram where sure that's not how that person pronounce it own damn where they don't either. But guess what your name is? Now, lamb is peace. Go. Whereas all the anti matter. And why do we think it was created with the big bang Janet give me some of the heads at? This is beautiful is the fact that the universe is made of matter is a fluke. We could very well have had an entirely antimatter universe. But what was more likely that? There were equal borsch Ines of matter and antimatter and when mattering get together, they genuinely annihilate into light. And there's nothing left but light. So the real question, isn't is it matter antimatter, but why isn't it perfectly equal proportions and the doors are any matter at all, right? Why is there any excess of either it happens to be matter? Josse doesn't matter. It's crazy. Any it requires a tiny tiny a symmetry in the very early universe to allow us to have galaxies and planets and stars. And this is something that is still debated. I mean, this is why we still have jobs that. Mismatch of matter and antimatter. Access. She excesses everything we know in love as matter. And and you would think by rights at the universe would be created in equal proportions and symmetry is favored, and so that there would be nothing. I hate science. Bringing space and science down to earth. You're listening to start talk. From the American team natural history. And we're talking about the portrayal of science and scientists on the TV show the big Bang's Serey, but check it out. It's always a challenge to tell stories about flawed characters and respond to a hope that all characters be portrayed without flaws. When you talk about a difference say in Penny's experiences sexual human being in Leonard's experiences. Sexual human being. One of the things that we said about these people is that penny was more, social, and Leonard was less, social, and it's kind of a mathematical truth that people who are more social have more opportunities for sexual experiences. People are less. The I will defend the portrayal of Leonard and his sexuality with this pathetic explanation, which is for the first season Leonard's sexual history was my sexual. His offering there. I'm just going to say awful. I brought we all bring to our writing. Especially writing comedy. We bring the pain of our own personal lives, and there's no comedy without pain their comedy without pain and Leonard's misbegotten inability to function with women and and specific episodes from from my my sad, sad experiences. I gave them in the first season to Leonard. And so I I will say that if the audience takes issue with the portrayal of nerdy guy as being inexperienced sexually and unsuccessful with women. Then all I can say is. Well, yeah. But I lived. I don't know if that's defense. But it certainly is true. Chuck. Comedy without paint. Is that true that true? Think did we all just laugh at his pain? So so you agree. Nobody wants to hear anything. There's hey, my life is great. That's not funny. That's funny. Okay. Janna is would you? Service. We got you this line of reasoning show. It's a sitcom and their fictional characters. But do you do you feel emanate from a nerd community a nerd culture? I should say, then do you see it as an unfair treatment of the geek set that they're portraying nerdy? Scientists who are socially awkward. I don't think it's terribly interesting. If everything we do is, incredibly, balanced and has a perfect, you know, that's Anna Jain, and it is fun sometimes to focus on the disastrous extrapolation of the extreme. And and it amuses us because I think we all see a little bit of ourselves in it. We'd like to think we're not, you know, emblematic that particular extreme, but we see a little bit of ourselves. So just taste did. Yeah. Just enough to say, whoa. That's a little hit home a little too for him. It was hitting home. Exactly pray, but that's the role of fiction to to allow us to indulge in the street. So. I asked actor Simon Helberg why he thinks a show about Tiki sciences is so popular as check it out. I think there are much more many more closeted geeks and scientists and lovers of the universe than we might have expected. Because I think there are there times, we'll be rehearsing scenes, and we'll we'll we're actors. So we pretend to be smart. And we all think what are we talking about what? And who are we will figure out kind of we'll have to bend over backwards to understand the logic. And we think the audience will never get this. And we get out in front of the audience on Tuesday night. And they're with us from the moment we start spilling laughing at all the expected play. Yeah. So we, you know, we truly are not smart and just play play geniuses on TV or or it's just the subculture is not so much subculture as it is. It is the culture it's just been kind of hidden or or just untapped. I do I do believe I do believe that it was it was just an untapped. Beautiful thing sitting there, and we came long ripe in a ripe fruit, a ripe and fruit. We have splattered across the world. Do you think he culture has become geek chic, I'll take it. One step further and say, e culture has always been the culture have you ever Madge ind-, whether Michaelangelo or Nardo Vinci were cool kids, they probably weren't. But today, that's all we talk about when we think about the renaissance with beautiful works of art or the amazing discoveries the past. So the answer is yes, key culture is the culture, and it always will be the key culture. So let me ask the two of you each of you, what advice would you give to shy? Geeks who are either in the closet or otherwise sort of suppressing their inner geek tude. It gets better. I think that we're acknowledging that there's something really beautiful and people who are intensely focused on something they're profoundly curious about and that lack of a filter, you know, awkwardness of these characters lot of is just a filter. There's no false fronts. They just are. Facade. And there's something about that that's incredibly loveable so hero of the all these people watching in loving these characters. I think the advices, you know, having no false front is lovable. Go for it. Another lead character on the big bang theory is a scientist played by actress me, I'm Bialik and she's also scientists in real life at a former guest on star talk. She's a neuroscientist professionally and this is a fictional character. Who happens to be a real scientist? It's curious fact, I'm only Janet we influenced by any fictional role models. I I don't think I was that much. I I wish it were better fictional role models that either knew about or had easy access to. I think it was very influenced by real scientists. And I took me that we talked about Carl Sagan you, and I talked about this before I mean, it sounds really corny. But I used to love to talk to my dad about Carl Sagan, and we would make fun of the way. He's we make fun of what he said billions. The Bill you've been. It was affectionate teasing were totally consumed by it, and we used to read his books together. But I swear to it never coach me at any time as a child, even then that would be a scientist. It came later. I didn't self identify later like what college college late bloomer guy. Yeah. Always midway through college. And when I discovered physics it was answering these tremendous questions, and it felt transcendent felt true for everybody. And that it wasn't it felt shoe for somebody in a remote part of the planet and remote part of the world that there might be others. Who didn't have that revelation who could have been great physicist as you have become who have were we missing. Yeah. I think about a lot who annoy me out. The pop culture presence of the big bang theory is helping people release they're gonna like it's a it's an enabling force. Absolutely. It's helping to break that stereotype it's long since time for that stereotype to break athletes can be smart, priests can be scientific and scientists can be open, happy and sexy. How did you get that Reese can be scientists the person who taught me theoretical cosmology and graduate school's Jesuit priest? Okay. He was thinking about Jesuit worries. Priest nonetheless. Okay. That's the academic order Jesuits to the ones you love signed. Signed bad acid, and he was discovering and working seriously bath medically understanding the origins of the universe. And he was doing it perhaps to reveal the greater glory of whom he believed was God. But nevertheless, he was very much motivation. Actually doesn't matter long as you're you're driven to be curious and solve really helped me. Learn a lot and understand a lot about cosmology. So I have no problem with them. So Chuck, do you think shows like the big bang theory will improve the urge for people who wanna hang out with scientists. No. That's it. I'm out of here. In the final clip. I ask big bang theory. Co creator Bill pretty if making science more popular was his goal all along check it out. Our goal wasn't to promote science. Our goal wasn't to promote Nassauer goal wasn't to promote physics. We're in the silliness business. Our goal was to present. You know, thirty minutes of comedy that you would come back to laugh and enjoy. But because we put these guys in the world of physics one of the things we've come to learn about over the last decade is an increase in the number of people choosing the hard sciences vocationally, and for a lot of people they pointed to the big bang theory saying I didn't know that science class which I enjoy in school. I didn't know that's actually a job you can have in life and. And uninformed ended thing, but kind of a wonderful thing. I'm old enough to remember when there was a scientist on television, or especially in a movie. Going back decades, many decades who was that person was a person usually with wiry hair lab coat behind a slab and the main characters who you actually cared about. My have to get some answer from that scientists is the radiation safe for is the giant bug going to kill us all so they'll run into the room speak to the scientists everything will be okay, just do this. They'll say, thanks, doc. And then they move on in the camera follows the main characters leaving the doctor behind leaving the scientists without any other kind of developed character. You would never know. And as a as a result. You would never even care is that scientists married does the China's have children or they said that day are they in love all the emotions that were handed to everybody else in a story. So I for one. And delighted even proud to live in a moment with a number one show on television was about scientists though they be caricatures, and I don't even care for movie gets some science wrong. It's got science in it at all. It's got people talking about the science because science is mainstreaming their artists reaching out to scientists to have science infused their creativity that people recognizing the scientists might know some stuff that may prolong your life that might produce wealth that could bring security to this nation and to the world. And so scientists can be major figures in sitcoms in movies. And in real life. This has been a cosmic perspective. I hope Neil degrasse Tyson your personal after. Join me in thanking what again. Janelle? Evan. As always I if you keep looking out.
Podcast: Dr Daniel Cunnama
"You're listening to the urban astronomer podcast. It's me Allen fast-food gain and I am so relieved to be able to bring you episode three of the second season of the urban astronomer punt cost. If you listen to the last episode then you're probably expecting us to be an interview episode featuring Dr Roslyn Skeleton of South African Astronomical Observatory. I spoke to her in June last year and we recorded an interview specifically for this episode but when I came to actually produce the thing according was gone the gods of technology turned their back on me and Gremlins AIDS so no rose today instead. I was lucky enough to get Dr Dr Daniel Customer. It's a stand in for her. Daniel also works at the S._A._A._O.. Although in a different role and I'm very lucky that his recording while still intact so that's what we'll be hearing today and Dr Skilton will appear in a few weeks in later episode after we re recorded her interview Daniel caught my attention engine when I met him at Desk Society of South Africa's symposium in two thousand eighteen where he presented a toll on the upcoming two hundredth anniversary of the Cape Town Observatory the symposium was held he works as a as a signs engagements astronomer and it so happens that his father told me English drama in high school which which means we've grown up in the same town in vet gave a talk about false forty year and he don't tell me agree to appear as a guest on this show but he assaulted a podcast of his own called the the cosmic Savannah podcast. I subscribed a few episodes ago and I suggest you do to he and his co host having to have already interviewed some of the people you'll recognize from the this season of an astronomer and they do a great job of getting some different perspectives on they work but you can listen to that later right now. Here's Daniel Kenema my name is Dr Daniel Kenema and officially. I'm the science engagement astronomer at the South African Astronomical Observatory and I'm talked with the promotion and <hes> communication of all acids to the public end to <hes> Yup who is interested so <hes>. Can you tell us a lot of outs abouts an about you say <hes> they say we've got quite a long history butts took a while to build up your show so the the is a has a long history as you say we'll be celebrating our a two hundred year anniversary next year in twenty twenty <hes> so the agency was established on the Sautin eighteen twenty <hes> and since Stan has been involved in various aspects of astronomy over the years various significant discoveries <hes> but these days and particularly they can only in the last <hes> couple of decades. The observatory has become the the premia optical and infrared need an observatory on the African continent. We host just over I think about fifteen at lost count <hes> telescopes scopes and our at objectivity in Sutherland the Northern Cape Right and the flagship telescope being the Southern African Large Telescope of which we are thirty percent partners and that is a ten meter optical telescope <hes> with a of quite an us high-resolution spectograph on it and so we basically tasked with providing the facilities for optical infrared astronomy in in southern Africa this chances anniversary. That's coming up <hes> that coincides with <hes> what's at the royalist side. Oh Jeez well. Isn't it absolutely yeah so the society was also established in Eighteen Twenty <hes> we actually have secured some funding from the Royal Astronomical Society not through that process through the they are E._S.. Two hundred celebrations <hes> to put up a an exhibition on astronomical comical data through the ages so we're in the process of designing and putting together that exhibit which we hope to have completed it eighty next year and that will be exhibited at the Zico Museum as well as the Sutherland <hes> <hes> visits into our armistice entrance Sutherland and ultimately hopefully although I haven't managed to <music> secure funding to put up a visits into here in Capetown but hopefully we'll be able to to display the exhibit Taryn kept onto so what does that look like the astronomical data exhibit at the moment is envisaged to be an exhibit which kind of follows a the threat of a comet Sir <hes> we have quite a few observations of comets from here in in Cape Town over the years ranging aging from sketches of some of the early comments to some of the first <hes> the first photographs of comets <hes> and and then in obviously these days we have a small instruments and we'll be getting a the atlas telescope which is looking for sort of asteroids and all sorts of objects <hes> next year so we're trying to weave this dys three of <hes> how the astronomical economical data has been captured over the years through the story of of comments in particular obviously astronomy covers all all sorts of things not just commits <hes> and the work we've done here at the observatory has has covered many of these things but just in terms of trying to keep a single thread. We're focusing on an on comets so we'll be starting off with these sketches and displaying some of the the old sketches we have in the original <hes> photographs gloss plates <hes> and talk a little bit about how how the the developments <hes> proceeded in how astronomers came about <hes> <hes> sort of doing these these <hes> new techniques of recording astronomical data <hes> gloss bites as you know incredibly rich rich and astronomical data they're still valuable resource <hes> and then ultimately we would like to include and talk about the the big data of today which obviously <hes> the word has bandied around a lot and <hes> it's not clear really what it's referring to a lot of the time but in this context and in the context of comets <hes> what we're going to do is build in augmented reality experience swear <hes> the the user can interact with <hes> some of the the artifacts we have there like a an image of a comment on an old image of a commentary gloss play or something hold up their device <hes> or if not the device then we will have tablets provided added <hes> that's and then sort of interact in an augmented reality way with a three D. model of a comet <hes> and you can sort you've spin around and and see how we can incorporate all these these visualizations and toss is these days so that's the that were based on. If you're in the same room then you can turn around and look around the comets overlay. It's yes I it'll it'll overlay it on on the picture. The device needs to to be to be looking at the the the target image <hes> but you know we could have the target image in the center of the room and you could walk around <hes> <hes> and kind of explore the comet yeah just to try and make it <hes> sort of more interactive and and try and demonstrate some of the like the visualizations nations and things which which astronomers use these days not just <hes> for <hes> outreach services but also for scientific sort of inquiry we're working with the into university institute for daughter intensive astronomy at <hes> at U._C.. Tea and they spent a lot of Tom working with the planetarium and in sort of visual half dome to try and <hes> display all of this astronaut Michael Data we have these days so we we're using some of the visualizations and incorporating those into <hes> into Um The in digital indigenous sort of as no astronomy <hes> stories of the of the sky <hes> and some work that has been done around around that in terms of capturing those stories <hes> the the stories that have come from from this observatory and across the rest of Africa the AH the contributions that have been made of the over the centuries to to global astronomy and then talk about the Morrison's since <hes> developments like talking about in terms of the last couple of decades <hes> salt <hes> or the other developments which are happening here at the CEO <hes> but also things like Mia cats and is K- <hes> mic Ed as you know is is fully operational non and that's a the the most powerful radio telescope in the world so I'm hoping to have a very fairly high level talks about these sorts of things <hes> <hes> from the chief scientists involved in these sorts of projects and then <hes> and then also move into the future and look at where our Africa is hitting in terms of astronomy in the next few decades and and and what what there is to look forward to oversee the sky as as a massive thing <hes> but but but what else is going on there there is a lot of development. There's a lot of human capacity development going on so so that's a very exciting event. <hes> which will I'll be hosting <hes> in that we can October <hes> in addition to that <hes> we were the observatory was declared a national national heritage sought in December last year and <hes> we will be hosting an unveiling ceremony so that'll be a ministerial <hes> event the <hes> the appropriate ministers will be invited and <hes> unveil the the plock on on again. We'll do it in that week so it's GonNa be a very busy week <hes> but and that that that's the sort of really nice <hes> event to kind of cement the the astronomical significance of the thoughts of the lost two hundred years and and to do it on the two hundred year anniversary will quasi-official <hes> yeah so so. That's the the other event. We're we're running in the first on the October one. WHO's the WHO's the audience for that is it says professional astronomers that amateurs anybody with interest <hes> so it's going to be limited to about three hundred fifty participants that the conference this came on and it will be open to to professional and amateur astronomers but I do expect it to be fairly competitive and and I would like to keep the program <hes> sort of quat high level and <hes> I I'd like to see there's a lot of topics to cover in just four days so suppose you're just want to maintain a high standard of talk with people's to attend this so yeah so to keep a very high standard of talks ends and then <hes> and then I I mean I hope I hope to be able to accommodate as many interested parties as as possible throughout <hes> South Africa and Africa <hes> and I think that's <hes> about three hundred and fifty people is is a reasonable number for that <hes>? It's it's. It's not a small conference. <hes> it's quite a bit of a bigger than the and then as as <hes> symposia years exactly so <hes> yeah so so I do hope to be able to accommodate data's as many interested parties as possible <hes> fantastic we yeah we hope to be able to announce that an ex couple of months once we were busy working on a website and abstract submissions and things like that excellence tell me so I believe another another big event coming up <hes> the <hes> the I._R._A.. You all having the they conference in in Cape Town. I believe in a year's time <hes> yeah so that it'll be in twenty twenty four the international astronaut Michael Union <hes> will be hosting the General Assembly <hes> heroin caved on and that'll be the first time on the African continent that that deny you will be will be held on the African continent. That's the sort of hundred year history of the the eye so that's very very exhausting and and and that's kind of <hes> as I was mentioning earlier like I kind of see this two hundred year thing as a a great opportunity to kind of you not <hes> the astronomical community here in the southern in southern Africa <hes> and this conference in October next year. I see as kind of the the stepping stone to the I._C._U.. Into into twenty four <hes> we are going to need a AH lodge cohesive <hes> sort of the community to pull that off <hes> and <hes> I think that this is a wonderful of chimney to bring everyone together <hes> and and and and start to prepare for for the twenty four because it's going to be a momentous event <hes> the I._U.. Attracts between three and four thousand professional astronomers Emma so record us the grant sean easing there yeah so that's that's that's a a massive of the two weeks <hes> and <hes> obviously around that they will be many other events <hes> a lot of outreach treat activities and signs engagement opportunities <hes> and I think that's from an African perspective that it's an excellent opportunity for us because not a lot of these astronomers will have been to Africa at all before <hes> such a try and show them and what we're capable of the incredible science redoing <hes> the incredible talent we have <hes>. I think it's a valuable opportunity for us to really be put on the world map. I mean we we already <hes> globally recognized as doing very very good work but <hes>. I think that that you know there's always some some work to be done in terms of that yeah well. It's one of my concerns. It's part of why not why I'm doing shows like this yea I I it's it's and I think our own image generally speaking is worse even worse than the International Ltd Chevy just unsealed souls yeah great scientific and technological saints and we really are <hes> so so trying to exotic our own public about this and something as something we can be really really proud out of an is this is quite <hes> the the I just wanted to mention one other thing about October next year so we're we're hosting three everything so we're having the conference which has it was directed at at most he professional astronomers and <hes> interested amateur astronomers <hes> but and in that the the unveiling of national heritage sought but throughout that week also <hes> we will be organizing an astronomy festival <hes> so okay the from the Monday to Thursday we'll be holding satellite festivals at universities Planetarium <hes> the sign centers <hes> to provide talks and workshops <hes> and stargazing in the evenings and so throughout that week <hes> and then on the the Friday and Saturday here at the observatory sought. We are planning a large astronomy festival <hes> the what Emma colleague suggested that we try and get two hundred telescopes looking at the sky on that not <hes> so <hes> <hes> <hes> I'm going to be sending out requests to anybody who owns a telescope in southern Africa to please bring it but but we'll be holding a a sort of large catch public festival so a lot of public talks events competitions <hes> we'll have to his of the grounds and <hes> of of the exhibit sit up and and basically try and have a large fistful way the public and also get involved and learn about all this astronomy that was going on one that sounds like a lot of fun she and how many days did you say this is going to run so it's going to run over the whole week but with various activities have <hes> at different places so in in order to reach as many people as possible. We'll we'll be holding these set lot vegetables in the first few days <hes> while while the conferences running <hes> will we'll be having a concurrent said lot vegetables <hes> I should also point out that everybody who speaks at the conference I I'm going to expect to give a public lecture to <hes>. I'm going to sign them up for an evening. Talk or or a you know a panel panel in a pub Ben Assigns cafe or something some sort of event sounds like fun yeah so those sorts of things and workshops and we'll we'll have if <hes> events at the Vienna waterfront and <hes> I really wanted to be a a week when <hes> the country is really thinking about astronomy and and this there's a lot going on sir ambitious. I good luck thank. You and I'm sorry I mean positively. I mean it's good I am. I am requesting volunteers. Well finger listening was giving Daniels details later talk. Thank you but doesn't want to talk about you for a bit <hes>. What is your background in this? How did you get into astronomy how did he how'd you land a job like that for? It's been a <hes>. I mean as old careers. It's a bit of a winding road right. Nobody nobody sits at Rule is did a a B C <HES> and I didn't immediately intend to get into astronomy. I studied in at U._K.'s. Is it in <hes> in computational physics so I was very very interested in computers I enjoyed coding and <hes> pulling apart computers and putting them back together and <hes> I really wanted to incorporate some of that into into my career <hes> and I <hes> also really enjoyed physics and trying to understand how the world worked and put it in neat equations and things so right so this course was offered as a name degree three educated in toss on a straightaway and I really really enjoyed that you know <hes> starting off doing things like you know muddling a cannonball through the and including <hes> you know gravity and air pressure in order these things to to to very accurately track. It's it's a track <hes> through the sky you know modeling a gas turning the temperature up and dawn and seeing in how the particles like move around and speed up so said doing that sort of computational physics <hes> doing your physics on a computer leading computer do the calculations really grabbed me off to that. I got a Bisri to attend the national astrophysics and Space Science this program which has hosted charity C. T. and cited my own is here <hes> and that was a quote. It's I mean it's quite what an intense course. There's a lot of course work and a lot of <hes> a lot of topics which are covered. It's sort of it tries to give you a very brewed overview overview of astronomy and I think it doesn't really really well <hes> but I was quite adamant that I knew what I wanted to do. <hes> and I wanted to to do more computational physics so I then actually proceeded with my master's in solid state physics <hes> so <hes> stove computational hours writing code to <hes> model individual atoms and crystal structures and then using that to kind of play around with the electronic structure of an atom modeling electronic structure of an atom and then doping knowing these materials with with different atoms so you dope doping titanium with iridium and and seeing if it makes a slightly more stable a metal and we you can you can do this in a computer twenty times a day one hundred times a day with slightly different amounts of whatever <hes> whereas doing it in Labsi very time consuming and very expensive so how does that work. Sorry how well does that. We I mean yeah I mean how how how reliably able to predict the actual <hes> <hes> the results that gives if you were to do it in the lab very very reliably I mean we we have in terms of our understanding of the atom an electronic structure that is it's pretty well pretty well constrained. <hes> things start getting a little bit <hes> list predictable at the quantum level but in terms of <hes> material structure <hes> the models we have in this the code I was writing using it is it's it's uncannily <hes> good <hes> okay. It's the predict apology quite good <hes> so yeah. No I mean that was very exciting and are are really quite enjoyed that <hes> <hes> but <hes> yeah and then subsequent to that <hes> <hes> my master's <hes> our still looking for for ways to to push the the computational physics I <hes> when when I was doing my masters I was using a small little cluster <hes> I think I had like four courses. I mean maybe eight cools <hes> and at the time and Latina Lina Sixteen gigs of Ram which was at the time pretty good <hes> and I thought was was quite cool for my masters <hes> <hes> but then when I was looking around for ideas for my p._H._d.. I <hes> was kind of looking at the computational stuff. I wasn't sure I wanted to carry on with the material material doping <hes> was this sorry <hes> I finished my masters in two thousand eight and you know with the with the P._H._d.. The carrying on with the material stuff I would have ended up sort of working for Amman or something like that <hes> and <hes> a kind kind of didn't feel the romantic pull <hes> <hes> and I was then offered a p._h._d.. Here at the University of waste and the University of the Western Cape Ann cates on <hes> with <hes> Catherine Chris who had access to the the Santa Fe high performance computing which is based in in Rosebank Cape Town and <hes> has some really caught spectacular supercomputers <hes> they I mean they current and <hes> supercomputer as twelve thousand causes something <hes> when I was working on it I was working on a smaller one. Two hundred and fifty six coors was with two terabytes of Ram something <hes> right which was a like I had almost unlimited access to this machine <hes> <hes> which was pretty amazing Iran mcchord <hes> non stop for six months at one on two hundred and fifty six schools which was acquired spatial <hes> for a for a nerd who likes to to use up computers Sergio so so that was that's kind of always been the three that's that's pulled me through his this drive to get into computing and <hes> but to use the computing to do something something physical <hes> so so you're my p._H._d.. was based here in Cape Town and I worked on models of Galaxy lexi formation evolution <hes> running cosmological simulations on on the supercomputers at the H._p.. C So from the I I got a post stuck with the <hes> an escape post doc and carried on and carried on with the simulations from the <hes> uh then moved to the Observatory here in in Observatory Ritchie and yes <hes> so I did my post doc at the at the observatory and Asta weekends relations with Deve <hes> and it was kind of like you know as I said at the beginning like your career doesn't <hes> follow the party you you may have visited when you twelve <hes>. I was asked if I would for a couple of months. <hes> because I'll outreach astronomy was on <hes> on on Lee or she was actually she was visiting the U._S.. <hes> I was asked whether I would reply to the public enquiries non to the phone <hes> and sort of do radio interviews and things if if they came up and I said Yoshua all I'll do that <hes> and then by sort of Jeff Fortuitous Event that Gravitational Wave Newt Binary neutral storage happened around in August twenty seventeen while ours supposed to be manning the phone <hes> and Yo ah I mean as you you may have discussed previously and has the listeners may assault was heavily involved in that was the the fist launch data scope to get a spectrum of of that event <hes> so so in terms of the s era it was it was a huge press event and with a lot of public interest we held a press conference alive press conference along with all the other ones are on the world <hes> and there was a lot of <hes> media requirements in terms of what needed to to be done and interviews and things like that <hes> and we had a we had a meeting couple of weeks before the announcement and the question was well. Who's GonNa do the the press conference sounds everyone just looked at me so a guess me so <hes> did that <hes> and I think that went pretty well and from from the air kind of just one thing led to another like the we realized that we needed to be doing this more <hes> we needed a Talking <hes> being accorded or anything like that <hes> which is which is fair enough <hes> it's it's it is not for everyone <hes> but but as an observatory innocent institute certainly something we have to do <hes> so we have to we have to have the capacity to do it and so if it's not the actual astronomer who was involved then meanwhile these days it's me <hes> so yeah we do need to really promote it and as you stated here we have a a lot of incredible incredible science going on here in South Africa and that that's not really getting promoted <hes> and yeah I mean you you have done an incredible job Bob <hes> <hes> you know out of the goodness of your heart to renew your podcast for so long <hes> and if you don't mind me plugging our our podcast we've started a similar John now. I was actually about to ask about that yeah so we we started a podcast myself and a colleague to Sentinel Hayes who is a post doc at U._C. T- <hes> working on market data and we've started a podcast trying to executive this and basically highlight the the the the astronomers Emma's and the Strana me happening in Africa <hes> so we're trying to speak with the people who are actually doing the astronomy the the students since the <hes> the people behind the scenes and not not wait for a paper to come off all a press release or something before we communicate to the public <hes> actually to speak with people and <hes> found out this story <hes> I mean what does it mean to be an astronomer and what does it mean to be astronomer in Africa <hes> <hes> what what is your experience. What are you working on my Catis at go? Who Do you work with like? It's people don't know these sorts of things yeah yeah yeah. It's it's trading us like its way to engage sir <hes> but that's good. That's something I mean. That's kind of in the same areas what I'm trying to do but it looks like you're getting a little more will deepen the nitty gritty of the job itself the day today experience I mean we're fortunate in that. We we are sitting here at the observatory and we have access to these people <hes> you know we have access to the guys who are building instrumentation who are <hes> who sort of at the the the cutting the cutting edge like you know they're in the workshop trying to design some new C._C.. Deal something and and it's fascinating stuff <hes> but they also don't really feel like talking about it and as you can ask the Rod Christians and she listened to the story yeah so so that they don't want to put together a press release about what they're doing. They don't want to <hes> you know sort of do a TV interview or radio interview but if you if you just let bucket them chatting a little bit than than you can actually learn some really cool stuff about what's happening. It's pretty much be my strategy as well. Just as people talk yeah because I didn't see myself as a generalist on what China gets to specific points and and bring it out and get a tooth trying to get a scoop rights. I tried. I just WANNA present agree. It's the people that I'm interested in not not the story Dan I agree. Entirely and podcasts are a great way to do that. I think because it's a gun of <hes> it is a nice <hes> kind of an unthreatening way of of taking on some information right right exactly. It's very <hes> it's it's. It's very convenience. No it's a great an intimate to think yeah yeah. You feel like you've had a conversation with the person yeah I mean we talking on a podcast about the feeling of hitting it's getting a bit admit this <hes> took the awards out of my mouth actually yeah so <hes> well listen I could you just send me <hes> your your your subscribe links or the way page all can put that yes the podcast you can find a the cosmic event dot com. <hes> Savannah Savannah with an h is a V._A.. In an A._H. wjr Dot Com as you can find us on twitter and facebook and Instagram at Cosmic Savannah all right trailer and Joe Oron achiness or apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast Sir and we'll standard ones yeah yeah something which a lot of local F- can put costs don't seem to do have you noticed that they see what register on on what costs they they find a local hosting provider and in a publish nets and then you you can't find him anywhere who else I understand anyway well. I did it primarily for my own purposes so that I can find us on my phone. Yeah the only downside if you can call it that I find is that must've mindlessness all overseas <hes> <hes> Americans mainly <hes> than Europeans is an insult forgiveness but but hey I think an audience is an audience and I think I think we've done fairly well actually i. I'll statistics are about fifty percents South African at the moment that's Nice <hes> and and and that's our higher highest listenership <hes> America's America's they can actually I think American Australia might be close but that's dissenters influence because she's originally from Australia okay <hes>. I guess she's I mean I expect to America to do very well. Because that's where the biggest podcast market is. This is more people you're listening to podcasts the other than anything else and that's always skewed my results so yeah yeah and I think that <hes> podcasts as a as a you know a concept of eighty news to South Africa <hes> the when I've spoken about the podcast at public lectures and things like that the <hes> people look at me me like I'm crazy and like you know what what. What time does it Ian on what day well No? That's that's not how it works. <hes> you can listen to it anytime talk anyway. I try to explain always explain it as think of it as Youtube but for Radio T._v.. And you can download it and you can just do it when you're driving driving if you want to say yeah. I think that that's that was the difference for me because I used to listen to podcasts but I used to <hes> I used to have to download the M._p.. Threes and like them to D._V._D.. Or C._D. and put them in my call now that Ma Ma call can bluetooth to my phone then loftus become a lots yeah. A lot of people still do that but we will teach them. We will teach them well. Yeah I mean I think that the the thing is that an end. I think what what you've done really really well. <hes> and we're trying to do now with the cosmic. Savannah is to build up a library of intr- interesting stuff uh-huh so that when somebody has the interest tweaked <hes> they can go in and sort of <hes> consume some some information some <hes> <hes> and and like you. I mean you use you as a as an example but you chip is like that Youtube is go to incredible library of of content on it yeah so so what once you have that library of content and then people start finding what they looking for a little bit better <hes> so it does take a while to build up this the sort of yeah because I think I'm sitting on about forty forty one forty two episodes now <hes> Moba the time this comes out but yeah but yeah it's hard work but very rewarding it is yeah it is hard wickets <hes> at an it but you do have a product which is kind of fairly long lasting at the new that you said quite a few very kind things. Thank you very much <hes> lost one. I want to ask US just <hes> just how people can reach you. <hes> can get hold of the if they had questions to ask oath. I'd like to know more about what we've spoken about so <hes> so if Disney you can get in touch with me at the observatory <hes> the my email addresses Daniel at s._A._F.. Dot A._C._T.. Day <hes> <hes> and otherwise you can find me on twitter <hes> it's. I think it's it's just eh Daniel Customer. I'm not that good at these sorts of things. <hes> I want to facebook as Dr Daniel Customer <hes> and I do try and keep a sort of active profile going yeah <hes> allows you can see me on Tuesday mornings on on exposure to <hes> when I'm talking about on is A._B._C. Three talking about what he was current and whatever newses is interesting in space and astronomy <hes>. I thank that's great to have <hes> yes. Thanks for your time. <hes> it's been great chatting to you and <hes> yeah. I guess I'll be appearing unusually. Thank you very much thankful. Thanks we interview all right. Thank you well. I hope you enjoyed that. I'd be surprised if you didn't Daniel himself just said I'm doing a great job end. Who All we do all you that surf you enjoyed it? Please leave a review on your favorite podcast. What Costa Rachel like apple podcast Google Costal stitcher or pod nival well? 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"Leaders of the world to me starts with this you ready to china and russia and germany and england and candidate and australia and the united states and all countries of the world all right more music and all the countries of the world we have a pandemic we have a real serious serious deadly problem in the world and many of you were doing nothing about sex trafficking and sexual exploitation that we talked about this. What are we doing to save our children from sexual exploitation this world. Oh my josh. I can't believe this. And how many times did clinton say it's for the children. Oh my man. If as for the children then stay away from them. So i can't even i can't even. I can't even fathom why we're not getting together. We will to shut you down and to make you wear masks to protect our children from this horrible horrible disease crazy mental people. My goodness how do we let this go on in the world human trafficking and are we making it better now at the border or is it does. It's ten times worse. And i'm telling you. Somebody's got to take that by the horn and i so appreciate many of you part of that. 'cause we've all got to be part of that 'cause and it be wonderful if the shares of this country and the chief of police of this country and the law enforcement officers of the state of hawaii would really start focusing on that and the next one i had to go along again with pastor eric that we've allowed this to continue the way that we've done is to allow the innocent unborn to be killed. I will. that's another astonishing. Have we gone that. Far off on a in a constitution and a declaration of independence that's based on protecting life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And we say that it's a we now claim in this country. The propaganda scheme. We now claim that it's a constitutional right for a woman to kill unborn child. Astonishing absolutely astonishing. And now and i would go with this one close to number three. There's bunches why we never have abolished the irs. And the federal reserve and i. I'm telling you right now. I against all government bullying. I'll government bullies. Go home and this is ridiculous that we allowed this to stop to exist in america. They should not be there. No and oh my goodness. How long do we go on this stuff. You know but i have to tell you. I am fed up with corrupt local governments with corrupt local police departments. It's doug sheriff's officers and state attorney generals and local and local district attorneys county attorney that prosecute innocent people put innocent people in prison. We can no longer allow the innocence to go to prison in this country and call ourselves the united states of america. We allow it l. Listen we've got a lot to do there. But is there any way that we could seriously redo prison reform. I mean the united states of america leads the world per capita prisons and prisoners. And you know who they really liked to go after the most innocent amish farmers if if they don't if they don't pasteurize their milk they're looking at prison and i've already worked with amish farmers all across the country and i and i've gone to their jurisdictions and i have publicly drunk raw milk i now have. I now have seven states where i have drunk raw milk and you know the funny thing about it. I hate milk. Oh my gosh. I hate it but i love that milk because his freedom milk and it does and it does taste better. Go down easier. Store bought milk. Yeah the patch now but folks. Let's we've got a focused on that and is there any way to do prison reform and not drew and not do drug law changes. We cannot why so. Many people in prison in america the drug laws. And we're putting innocent good people in prisons because what. They're exercising their freedom of choice. That one is a choice. i don't support. I hate drugs. I hate drums worse milk. But i don't do. I don't do drugs. But i don't have any right to go after you if you do not you. If you smoke and you drive your drunk go to jail. I don't care who you are go to jail if you popping pills and you're drunk driving go to jail but we have got to stop this nonsense. The drug wars nonsense if we really had a government focused on the individual liberty of people. We would not be doing this anymore. What is a great way to create a police state. And it's a great way to put innocent people in prison. Oh yeah true. True folks i. I'm blige allowed here and i to. I don't want to read one more quote for my decision. I want to prove to you what i said earlier. This is the most powerful tenth amendment decision in the history of our country. I wanna prove that to you date. I don't need to read to read it. It's it's at the back on like tapes. Thirteen or fourteen quote again. The united states court justice scalia quote but the constitution protects us from our own best intentions. What does that do to the covid. Nineteen mandates it protects from you the constitution. If we were to enforce it we would have none of that. Because the constitution liberty come first and then and then justice glee it goes on and he says it the constitution it divides power among sovereigns and among branches of government precisely so that we may resist the temptation to concentrate the temptation. Did you hear that patient of sin the temptation to concentrate power in one location. Get this as an expedient solution to the crisis of the day and quote you wanna talk about the crisis of the day. That's what kobe nineteen has been. It's been the crisis of the day. Were they knew that they could fair monger and they could get us to believe their propaganda and there i saw one signed a while ago. It was first time. I saw the an f-bomb that i agreed with to that vaccination gay. Thanks very much for that shirt anyways. Cute little girl. That was very nice. I as first time. I like that. Say folks the crisis of the day is what they've done to us again. And what did obama and Rahm emanuel say about the crisis of the day never let it go to waste and and those corrupt politicians in washington. Dc yes that would have to be in the top five somewhere to corrupt politicians. That is the problem of america. It is not the pandemic it is not going. It is corrupt public officials. All right. i'm going to close with this. My voice is my voice is starting to go. And i i i didn't know is gonna make this but thank you for your prayers pastor. Thank you and i got to tell you this. I'm going to close with this. Is the last line of the declaration of independence. And if we can't if we can't depend on the founding fathers to close this for us today than who could we it goes like this and with a firm reliance on this declaration. Now they're no important at this declaration where the for reliance on divine divine providence. We mutually pledge to each other our lives our fortunes and our sacred honor. We must do. Likewise we must emulate those great man who was the vision of america back in seventeen seventy six. I say we restore that today in honolulu. Hawaii thank you. Thank you thank nerve. Serve mac all right. It's real good. Our numbers have grown here. Just those of you. The recently arrived no bathroom. Is this white building over here to my right. And as i said before a big purpose of coming together like this is so all of you have a chance to find out how you can get involved and how you can make a difference and this is the time and place to do it. This is a great time in history to do it. We have some great organizations. Here we have a lou how freedom coalition with the yellow tints over here with their logo on it. We have children's health defense with the blue right over here banner out. We also have getting windy today. We also have julian's army. We have hawaiian assembly. And we have the nice of aloha all. These tents represent organizations. Please make it a point today. Stop by ethan everything if you can talk to someone there find out if you feel comfortable if they are doing something that you are like. Hey i can get involved with this can do this. Then by all means sign up get their newsletter. Get involved see when they meet up. See what you can do to contribute. It's all about getting our boots on the ground and grassroots participation and we are so happy to see all of you here today. We thank you for coming out. We're going to do a little giveaway now as promised mike francesa here for those of you. Let's be fair minister. These tickets out. We have a giveaway. This is our first year way for mr for a set of two t shirts from allow freedom coalition. Don't forget you can get your tickets but making a donation at the aloha freedom over here are five dollars for tickets or ten dollars for five tickets. Pretty good deal. We have some other prizes but this is our first prize said of to. Afc t shirts winning ticket. If you take tickets out five seven three one you to and a out again. Five seven three one two two if that is your ticket. Come on up to the front of the tent right next to my left. Five seven three wants you to. Let's hear from weiner. Do we have a winner. All right i think we got a winner. We had some lovely performances that the beginning of today. We're going to have another performance right now right now. I like to introduce colleen more she is from moments unforgettable performing arts academy responsible for the entertainment you saw earlier and they are coming up to do a little presentation for us now. Let's give a warm welcome to them as they dance. God bless america. Love neil young ladies aw on part Was here to get in for a performance moments unforgettable performing arts academy headed by colleen amora colleen all these. He's really give her a big head to right now. I like to bring up a woman. I'm proud to call my friends. Her and her husband or family have been very kind to my family. And i since we've landed here. She's one of the founders of hawaii for informed consents a truth warrior and one of the primary voices for bodily sovereignty in hawaii currently. He's president of the newly organized children's health defense hawaii chapter. She's the retired pediatric doctor and most importantly she's a mom. Please put your hands together for campaign. Have some stragglers for the kids. Thank you so much for showing up today in person boots on the ground. We need this. And here's a candidate calm so we are so grateful. You guys to Bring up boys. Children's health defense to hawaii. Hd is now a global non profit was founded by robert kennedy jr. yes and we not chapters in europe. We have one starting up in canada. I mean you have california new york. Florida and hawaii and there's a lot on the pipeline in the states so we are forced to be reckoned with. It's real simple. Nevada to house people and our planet we have a pretty specific mission though raise awareness and to end this chronic huge epidemic of chronic disease in our children so some of you may know some of you may not know there is a study way back in two thousand eleven by the cdc and they reported that fifty four percent more than half of our kids right now have a chronic illness. One or more kind of illnesses. I mean we've seen disease. Cancers be narrowed about mental disabilities just skyrocketed since the late eighties and right now one in thirty four kids on the autistic spectrum. That's be on the news every night. Right now is the epidemic alabama's used to consider this the new normal. You know kid. Line with app pens asthma inhalers and our teachers being overwhelmed with special needs kids. It's got to stop nineteen eighty-four covid nineteen eighty-four then arrived and now we have a new normal right well. Our kids have just been now a drop kicked to decide. They have been devastated by all of these anti corona policies. It's not been from the virus itself right. It's more than society's response to the virus. So i mean do you agree to all of you agree here. Raise your hand. Do you think that our schools have implemented policies for safety house are have. They harmed our kids. Yeah they really harmed our kids and what we wanna do is. Let's let our kids speak. Our government is not prioritizing them. such a validate what. You agree with me on. I want you to hear from them. Please give your undivided attention to the kids away. You guys is this. Oh so can you tell me how you feel about having to wear a mask in school and in okay. So first off can i swear. No no no no no no no no no well. Let's school. i in the beginning of the school year. I started online and that was really hard but from wearing a mask so i i. I was really excited to go back to school then. i learned. We have to wear masks. So i was like okay. I can handle this. I'm we'll be fine. I'll be fine. So so i go to school right. I got us. Go put on my mask right. My friend and i are full to school. The teacher as soon as we step out of the car the teacher say six away and she goes toward laudable and yeah it was not a fun day no the the vast almost suffocates me is like blocking out all air again breathe well. I don't think i've i've been with me right now but yet yet. I have to wear a mask. I have to wear a mask i. I'm not sick. i'm not saying no one thing you say. I'm not asking where and stay away from my friends though. Thank you guys into ezra so ezra same kweskin. Can you tell us how you feel about mass. Can you hold this all right. So i was always home schooled. And i'm still affected hugely by this and whatever i used to be excited you go to the store but now i'm not as excited because i have to be depressed seeing people having to wear these masks and i don't wear masks but still i have to just be depressed by all these people doing that. And we master supposed to protect other people supposed to and. Why are you demanding. We wear masks to protect you. And i just wanna speak out and say this isn't right that we should all have good experience in our life and this will not be that good experience we should have a good time and the government is taking our rights are gone given right and when i'm forced to wear a mask it makes me feel like they're sheet. I know there she. I'm god awesome emma and emma. Can you tell us what life has been like for you since the lockdown. Dan saw me from doing dance for awhile against mc passionate makes me feel free. I was on the competition team. The competition was cancelled and that made me really sad when ends came back not go because i can't dance in a mask. I really miss my friends. My is go on planes. When i turn eleven but to do that i needed to be in multiple classes weekly. It is really affected me. Thank you adam adam. Can you tell us what life has been like for you. Since lockdowns let has been hard. I can't go to school. i can't do. my friends. can't swim and for half of my baby brothers life. He is only seen people with a mask on. Ammi m you. What has been like for using the lockdown. And i miss Hugging i miss I list gone gymnastics. But it's i can't go anymore and i miss my birthday all right. Where's lily lily. Hello all right guys. Next up we have lilly so lily. When do you think things are going to get back to normal. When a true believer comes in handy and lynn on people start believing that somebody can change a person's heart so what you think is gonna take for that to happen. I seen her and be sweet to are really Feeling like they are usually on and they sometimes thing at everything can't paid for them right. We give a big round of applause for these. Okay guys this is. I really miss people being together and having parties with other people and now eight in would like to say a few words. I'm going to my friend's house. All the time. And i hope things will get better around the replied with the break. Kids future leader. Why them are much wiser. I think our governor right now governor hey. Hse okay so lasting from children's housing fans. The kobe experimental injection is coming for our kids. Thao she says by fall twenty twenty. Okay not these kids. This quotes vaccine has zero zero benefit all risk for our kids. So this is not going to happen. Please join children's health defense. We are developing a pair coalition. And we're gonna sound up for through house in the classroom and bodily for our children. Thank you so much are your yo. It's our daily dose of rain. We hope. I know it's been a little more lately but we can do it right because we're hawaii. That's right. how dick speaker is representative words about dale. This bad is one of hawaii's through beacons of hope is one of the few hawaii. Legislators thoughtful courageous awake about literally everything and understand that he works for and strives to always do. What's best for the people of hawaii. Del understands that there is no time left to sit on the sidelines. And stated that we are literally for all of humanity for what it means to be human unquote. He has been the primary sponsor for our bills to add a conscientious exemption to school vaccine mandates as well as this year's hp to four one and eight cr one four six to prevent discrimination based on backseat status. Dale was put into a coma and almost died from smallpox vaccine as a child so he understands i painted. How important bodily autonomy is. Let's just hope. He runs for governor. Sooner than later. The other guy out of here but do not put your hands together and make a whole lot of noise for representative. Dow colby honesty so much. I'm so happy to be here. I think the gods are definitely looking down on us. I'm the represent of north valley. As soon as i got to speak it starts raining. So i think the idea to make me feel at home. Raise my district ninety percent of the time and here we are so yeah. That's right. I i've been the guy in the capital look for some balance and reason in our policies and i gotta tell you it's kind of lonely undertaking for me to take a kind of an army a one on this As far as a vaccine the way our process works so i've had legislation this year to prevent any form of discrimination against anybody who's not vaccine is based on medical choice and there's that bill did he get hurt by the chair of the first committee is named richard onishi from he'll and he used to hear that died. So what i did is i did a concurrent resolution basically saying the same thing it's got it's it doesn't have the force of law but it's significant to do it that to get hurt by the committee. Friday was the deadline. So that's dead too so not not to rain on any hopes for this but there's a lot of levers of change we can call other than legislation. And we're doing that a lot. I can try to get One of the efforts is used the auditor for the state to try to look at some point during on testing in a what do we have a c t score cutoff on our pcr tests and just go after a lot of the back story on this a lot of doing with pcr testing and other logic related to our lockdowns. So it's do as you're explaining vaccine injured individual and so this. This is a little bit about the vaccine risk so in nineteen sixty four they vaccinated. All americans were smallpox. They're tested thousands of people on. It was a long process better by everybody is fine. Everything was fine but the problem was for one in five hundred thousand people who was not finding and it. It's not like he got the next day and you felt sick. So i was four years old. When i got that shot every child here was was vaccinated seven years later after seven years of incubation. That's when people started falling within stuff elitest five hundred thousand so are in the in the united states there little were five hundred individuals children That went into comas. The stuff politis in one thousand nine hundred seventy one. I was one of those. What made it easy is that everybody died or were permanent vegetables so they were kind interested me because i survived and While i might get a little brain damage we talked so my friends. you know. i've more or less functional. So i was kind of an odd peg and maybe there's a reason our survived. I was spared that. And i'm not gonna sit here and tell people that they need to get chopped. I mean this is really unbelievable. So original idea was to say let's Let's force everybody at gunpoint to get jabbed and but that seemed low authoritarianism so What we've got to is just the defacto mandatory And the rest of the world like no no. We're nice free country. You don't have to do it if you don't want to but we just have no rights to do anything ever if you don't and that's what i'm trying to protect against and there's a lot of the civil rights commission there's a lot of Backing we can get the porn. The problems is that a lot of has been punish denies so people usually want stand for freedom for choice are not with us on this. And because it's it's been frames the parts issue that the the The republicans want certain things as far as lacking vaccination as far as freedom of movement. Not treating everybody like Some sick individual and democrats stand against that well. I think you're looking at somebody here. I'm a democrat and That might surprise a lot of you and in fact a lot of people consider me to be a progressive democrat when it comes to economic issues. But that's bs not a partisan issue. This is about logic and it's about what you understand and you know it's about just freedom. I mean it's not something that you can say is a part of me too and this is impossible state to residency pendant. So i'll tell you both parties make me sick So it's not like. I'm standing here waiting democratic in front of you. It's just a matter of what's right and what makes sense. I mean there's logic and what we're faced. Legislatively is a lot of really stockholm syndrome. If you will you're signing with your captors basically and saying that okay. Yeah whatever i will. I will help you enforce. You're crazy rules far as trying to get people to do what thorny say you have to do. And it's it's just unbelievable to see this happen every day. Some smartest people i know are just screaming about You know why your covered and it's it's just really an unbelievable. I don't think we have to stand here in front of you and explain inconsistencies. What we're doing here and it's really legislating based on fear and not based on any kind of logic and not based on any kind of balance. So you're we're faced with a lot of destruction here and that's so very obvious. I think when you look at the psychological issues particularly for young people. It's unbelievable. I'm just stuck doesn't go away so you got little kids. Not there at a friend About a year and a half all he knows this world. he's scared to death of people. There's no worse than your fellow species of human beings. Because that's what's going to kill you so that's brought up your pot up with watching sesame street with bunch of mass stuffed animals basically tell you stay away from people as much as possible and these things as a young person. Do not dissipate. You're going to have that forever. So it's more than the economic kick we're taking. We're talking bought our humanity and that's really what it is. I i got this crazy books speakers in my bathroom that the mix batman a concert hall. I'm sitting. i'm taking a shower one morning listening to song thousand times billy joel channel man. It's to be something. I loved as really emblematic. The joy of life this is this is really what life is all about some might say it's the joint alcoholism but really the joy have in a bar among your fellow human beings so after thousand times is to it. I was doing last summer in my shower. I came out of their weeping. It was just the whole feeling of why what we've lost. We've lost humanity. We've lost our joy of living. We've lost so much and this is really not something you can easily get back when you look at anything. We've ever done as far as large changes in our culture. Don't change back so easily. So i came out of there. You know my wife was telling me what are you. What are you weeping for. Told her will for everything we've lost and she tells me shut up you make it better. You make it so that you don't have to leave about this study you make it so that we get a humanity back so we don't lose everything and you had to do that so don't give me credit for this to my wife is basically somebody that really stands up for just logic and freedom and i think when you look at org faced with here. A lot of it is a war of ideas and everybody is so important in this. I was also happy when it came down and couldn't find parking first time. I've ever been happy about that. Because i knew it. A lot of numbers here. And that's what we need. There's so many here and what they'll stand with us and we all need to work on together so like i said technically get democrat here and there are a lot of democrats lottery pumpkins. That believe imbalance is issue and reporters the nice things. You keep some of them away so what have been talking about. A lot is to try to look at this. As the most important thing we ever faced for all of us and it transcends politics petty politics we have party affiliations. We all got to get together and do so. We don't all starve to death. You grew up with his children. So there's this is really what we need to do kids back in school. We're going to open smarts you to get the businesses open. We gotta get things back yard. Thanks so what's listen to me. You'll be watching what happens but we'll hopefully have lot more rallies like this definitely gonna show the world. I mean the media look at us as a fringe element. I mean my colleagues in the house like there's basically one guy that You know so. I told him i got army behind me and this is bird right here. There's like so many with us numbers and there's a local sensibility here. That taps into a lot of people's feelings. And that is one of the wisdoms. We have we call nuff already so is enough already not already. We're done move on. Thank you representative del kobayashi. Possibly our next governor. I don't know what do you think as dead. We are just the tip of iceberg. But i have seen just in the last hour and a half that our numbers keep growing every time i get back on the stage so give yourselves a big hand. Make some noise for yourselves for everybody for coming out despite the weather whether it's nice raining whether you're standing another three or you're out here on the grass. Thank you for coming out just to remind you if you need to use the restroom that white building there is where to go. We have some prize giveaways. One that was not announced previously but children's health defense is actually giving away a or rather donating a event with our next speaker. It is a new surf ride with dell victory in order in order to be entered into this. You need to go to the children's defense website which is h. i. children's health defense dot org and you need to donate on the website today by five pm once again if you wanna if that sounds like a good thing it does sound like fun to me. Because they're going to go paddling dot children's health defense dot org donate by five pm today and enter to win a canoe ride with dell tomorrow. That's happening tomorrow afternoon. So instant gratification. There you go. We have some of our giveaways from before right now. We're going to give away to entrees to donor shack donors jack. Restaurant two entrees. That's one of our prices are winning or winter. And i'm sorry. I haven't been there yet but i plan to go there very soon. Let's donner donner all right there. We go donner's jacked. We're giving away to watch rates to them. Even if you don't win you can go check out our winter for that if you get. Your tickets is five seven. Three zero seven zero five seven three zero seven zero. We have a winner. Five seven three zero seven zero. Think we got one over here. He come on up and go to the the aloha freedom coalition chance. Thank you yes yes. We have a lot of members of our amazing law enforcement here. We want to give a big thank you to them for keeping us safe. What are the thank them for. Coming out we're gonna give away one more one more prizes. This is eight hundred dollar gift certificate to bistro mix up these tickets real good and once again. You don't have to be a winner to go. Patronize these establishments. Are winning number today. Though is five seven three zero five six hundred dollars gift card to stroke five seven three zero five sticks right here all right. Let's give him a hand. So law enforcement is here to ask us to stay in groups of ten once again. Our our whole purpose today is to get to know. These grassroots organisations near each one of these tents represents a grassroots organization. We have freedom coalition. We have children's health defense. We have gideon's army. We have hawaii assembly. We have nights aloha clean house. Hawaii it up for all of them before we jareth mac. Here of mac is over as speaker sent over to my left. he'll be speak to. You personally aren't take a picture or whatever you want to do with that. Just hello say. Thank you our next speaker for a lot of you. He may not need an introduction. I'm going to start with a quote by him. This is a quote from our next speaker. He wants to quote our founding fathers fought against tyranny to realize the dream of a great and free nation. It is time for the free people of the greatest nation on earth to stand up for our freedom to choose what's healthy for our own bodies before the industrial agricultural and pharmaceutical industries has laws that forced those decisions upon us. Of course i am talking about dell. I knew him he just wanted to. Preeminent voice news of the vaccine risk awareness movements his career as an emmy winning producer of the cbs. Talk show the changed profoundly when he produced the documentary. That's from cover up to catastrophe film. Two more noise on that the reactions to that. He is credited with igniting. A revolution. Without i guess pharmaceutical tyranny around the world's now delves internet news. Build a high wire who wants us to highwire. The high wire is the fastest growing programming. The natural health arena with over seventy five million views. Seventy five million views it down. Please put your hands together. Stop your feet. Make a whole lot of noise. Mr del victory no not victory. I'm big mac. Thank you very much. You've noticed but honolulu. Pdk by and for some reason they had a talk with me live here however they must a heard how much i love hawaii. I made a deal with them. And i gave them my word that i would ask all of you to wear mask or or socially distance. So all of you. That have been hugging me all day. Long take it back and don't ever do it again. okay so. I sincerely asking you to socially distance. Thank you very much. I love all of you all right. Thank you for that rousing opening. That was great. Great way to step on the state's first of all. Let's wrap our heads around that for a second all right. I just heard them talking about like groups of ten so so the virus as long as we stay like there's a group of ten and can we just get that three foot distance allowed by faculty right about there and then there's that group of ten and now we've totally outsmarted this virus. So i i really. I got a really did want to thank the officers because look how ridiculous their job is now. They've got to walk up to crowds like this inside to make sense out of something that makes absolutely zero scientific sense at all no sense whatsoever and it doesn't matter how many times our government especially tony vilocci cages. Mind or changes. What we're supposed to do. We still are supposed to bow down to him as though it doesn't matter he's been wrong with every previous statement he made before today because remember we had to be socially this sixty but after a year of six p. Does it turns out. Oh my god we were all. We only need it. Three and said a mask isn't gonna do any good whatsoever. He was followed by our surgeon. General ahead of the. Who all saying a mass doesn't do anything for you. Even set it on sixty minutes. I have a newsflash for tony. Pouching cameras rolling. That is to stand the test of time so then there was no mask and then it was one mass one mask and i interviewed all the time by new york times. Washington post l. Do the interview. Even though i know they're going to tack me. But i said recently to actually there's a web md interview. And i said you know tony. She told us that there was no mass necessary. And then when the whole world decided we're going to start wearing masks. He got behind the mass and then when he was asked. Why did you say no mass. Before he's well. We lied to the public because we want to make sure there was enough mask for the nurses in the front lines. I want you to think about this. These these are policy decisions. This is your government health agency sitting around stating how are we going. Get around what you did on sixty minutes. How do we get people to comply wearing the mask. And you gotta you guys been there for almost fifty years because no one has a problem you know lying or no one gets around lying the way that tony he does. And so in a group decision by our government they decided the absolute best way to deliver. This is tell oil we lied. I'm alive i lied to you. Sorry and so. That's what we're dealing with. We were dealing with politicians. Now that will admit they lied to us. But we're still supposed to comply. I would say this. And i say this reporter now that tony thousand and lies to you and has no problem lines. You are you sure. What's one of the things he's saying. Why is the why. Don't wear a mask at all or why you should wear masks or perhaps the lie is now you need to masks and by saying you need to mass you saying that we were wrong about the one of the last year. That's right you are wrong. And that's what i've been saying on. The wire been take off of youtube and kicked off a facebook off instagram. I don't need those in. its anyway. Because millions of you're tuning into the high wire dot com check as it turns out you actually knew how to type. Www dot the high water dot com. We're really happy to find that out. But think about it. If he's now saying to masks and everyone was being that. I was spreading misinformation by saying masks. Do not work. Let me say that again. Masto work and as soon as the largest medical professional in the united states of america steps up and tells you actually is better. He just admitted to u. mass. Don't work after you lied about. Not eating one and then won and now too. So i wanna stay. There was a story in arizona in the middle of this last year. A woman who was a teacher or her mask she was in the classroom with two other teachers. That were there. Mass and the story was really tragic. Because somehow what of the other teachers there is no students in the class. One of the other teachers didn't know it and this woman that the article is about caught. Kobe and died she died because she had all of those other co morbidity lupus think austin diabetes and i thought to myself tony fouts he killed that woman because tony thousand told her that wearing a mask the protector and i have said from the beginning if you are over the age of sixty five and you have no more. Limp is copd like heart disease. You need to protect yourself. You need to stay away. We need to take care of you. And by the way that perspectives now shared by over fifty thousand experts and scientists around the world. All sign the great barrington declaration. Nobody's dead rush or elderly and sick in harm's way we know spent billions of dollars protecting now. We bob wrapped art nursing homes. We really protected our retirement communities but while we were doing that the rest of us the ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percents survival rate with this thing need to get out and this damn cold and now reaping the benefits a warned the most catastrophic scientific blunders history of mankind's lockdowns masks and now experimental vaccine that i think is going to be one of the greatest mass casualty events. We will ever this. Maybe in humanity ever. Whether it's intentional or not is happening. And i want to talk about. It could be really depressed about that but we also have got recognized. If you've been watching the high wire something. Spectacular is happening ten weeks ago. I put out deer vanden. Bosch is statements. His videos his uplink. If you don't know who he is that you must leave here and check out that video immediately gear. Vandenbossche is one of the world's leading vaccine developers. He has worked for dhabi. Global global would ever seen in immunology but designed by bill gates awesome worked for the bill and melinda gates foundation as worked for novartis. This guy was in charge of ebola program overseas bola. His specialty is mass vaccination of large populations and he is risking his entire career. Right now coming out and saying this mass vaccination program must be stopped immediately. He's saying that this vaccine is to pressure the virus to become totally out of control and more deadly. He's also saying what we've been saying on the high wire all year long. We should have let natural immunity run. Its course we should not have brought him back seen once we were under attack by this virus now. I don't agree with everything he does. Because he's pro vaccine. He's just pro. Vaccine is a gets but he is coming forward saying we could destroy our civilization with this back seen program. Here's what's fascinating. He's being attacked. Of course but i other leading doctors like michael union who has vice president of pfizer. One of the world's leading vaccine makers came out before there was geared vanden bosch. Michael unit came out and said. I think that there's a catastrophic possibility that backseat is going to attack. The placenta of all women in the future and we will be infertile. If we continue this vaccine program. He may be right he would know he's been making vaccines entire career. What's happening while we were all standing here. Worried about what's going to go on is like godzilla in the flying terminal or now flop fighting each other. They're doing our work for us because as it turns out even scientists who know the truth are worried about their own children and as it turns out once you make the first people that have to get a vaccination the doctors that have been telling you. There's no such thing as vaccine injury. There haven't been tell you when you come back with your child is saying they're not speaking of walking. After the vaccine. They got two days ago or my baby died. Three days after the vaccination and all of those doctors said it wasn't the vaccine. I'm sure i read the cdc's website. And i bow down to tony thousand. He's told me it's okay but guess what now. They're the ones that have to get it. First trump's warp speed bax in. I don't know where donald trump was that on it. There may have been one of the greatest reverse. Psychology moves the ball times. Who knows but what are you do. I want every doctor to get this back. I and what happens. Fifty percent of doctors across the united states of america and the world or denying this vaccine as we speak i'll refusing. That was at the circumstances. When i was here a year ago. That wasn't where we were at just year ago a year ago they had what was called scientific consensus. The consensus was that vaccines are safe and back to you and nobody should question them. No if ands or buts but then. Donald trump decided to warp speed of vaccine failing in trials for twenty years. And one of the most astonishing things happen. I was saying this to a reporter recently. She you said to me you know It appears that the anti vaccine grandpa or being called the vaccine risk awareness that you're aligning with the conservative parties and the stop steel. I was actually in. Dc on january six which was part of why it's being interviewed and she said so. What is the connection between conservatives and the vaccine issue and i said well you know. It's interesting when i first got into the truth. I i'm a registered democrat. I still am grew up in boulder colorado environmentalists. I care about things my air my food and my water and as it turns out i also cared about things that are injected in children. And i i see those as going together unfortunately. A lot of my environmentalists runs down. I don't know why neither does bobby kennedy. One of the greatest environmentalists of all times in daiki for his support children's defense is doing amazing work. But i said something amazing happened. When i made back st- it was true and as we traveled to state capitals. No democrat will listen to us. I didn't want this to be a political issue. Republicans but listen conservatives and libertarians. Listen i want them to understand the science a little bit more but they were definitely open to my desire to control goes into my body and the buys my children and so slowly started. Seeing that listening it was taking place is what i'm saying. The reporter has done but then something fantastic happened. Donald trump came along pushing his warp speed vaccine and kamala harris and joe biden came out and said we don't trust the vaccine coming from donald trump. That's being rushed through. Its safety trials. All the sudden new york times reported on cnn. They started reporting that a vaccine could actually be dangerous. And i said so when you think of the conservative movement actually the greatest explosion we've had in our movement team from joe by kamala harris and i couldn't be happier about their statements. Because here's what happened up until that moment. Nobody except those that had been injured with you about the two to three percent. That weren't back stating our kids. Nobody questioned whether back to us were safe and effective not question. That is the first task does the first commandment of pharmaceutical vaccines are safe and effective the science settled. Don't question it when. Joe biden kamala. Harris and cnn all started questioning it because donald trump was rushing it that she this story forever. That opened the door. That bobby kennedy has been working on for decades. I've been for five years trying to get people to recognize. A vaccine is like any other drugs. It has side effects. It kills people. It ruins lives just as much or maybe not as much who knows. We need safety studies. I just want the same safety studies every dangerous drug. We take those through. I want my backseat through that. But we were trying to get people to wake up to the idea that a vaccine can be dangerous and joe biden and kamala harris. Let the world know that that was true and back them up and the new york times am sure that trying to stuff that genie back in the bottle. But it's not going back. The world has changed. We are now in the offense of position for the first time in history in case you don't know that the biden administration in his last two trillion dollar package has set aside one billion dollars to overcome vaccine hesitancy. Now you know your value now. You know what you've done. Now you know how powerful you all are. The most expensive ad campaign in the history of the world is going to try and undo what we have done in the last year telling the world the truth and it will pull it off. Because if you haven't gotten the vaccine yet odds are you're not going to get the backseat and they can pummeling in with five commercials every commercial break. I think all is gonna do is make you decide. Zoo use a movie watching movie or something else on his nagging. We are assembling in protest against bad signs. I wanna thank. I wanted to thank those. That new protect our men and women in blue. It's an amazing job. you do. And we respect you and we respect that you take orders from people that don't necessarily tell the truth and there's not much you can do about that but we can do something about that because we elect those politicians and we make the decisions that affect our lives. We live in the united states of america. Last i checked and still the greatest country in the world and it's still stands for freedom is still stands for body autonomy and last i checked is nowhere in the bill of rights or in the constitution says i am not allowed to breathe the air that is blowing across my thing. We won't let the air becomes legal in the free nation in the world and by the way what was being do right now nothing. It's amazing let's talk about this vaccine really quickly so for those of you that don't watch the high wire we've been covering this but this is an extremely dangerous totally experimental product the thing. I've been the most focused on. Is something called antibody dependent enhancement right. Now here's what we do know. They will say the anti cherry pick things like. Oh you know you make us prove. It doesn't cause leprosy. Now i'm not gonna make. It doesn't cost leprosy. But i am going to make you prove that you've overcome all the issues. We saw in your animal trials. And here's what happened in all of the animal trials over the last twenty years of the coronavirus vaccine since there was sars every drunk company is the wind to make vaccine per toronto virus. They saw the benefit indian. And so they all went into different versions. Whether it was an adenovirus vector vaccine like astra zeneca johnson johnson or our name vaccine or standard tilled or attenuated virus vaccine. Every single. one of them had the same response. They would give the animals vaccine sometimes. It was a rat or it was cats or ferrets. They give the animals the vaccine and it looked like the vaccine was safe because the animals didn't die after they injected with that so brave face and then they withdraw their blood and check their antibodies and they found that they were getting robust into body. Production i read all the trials by the way. This is what i'm describing to you but in animal. Trials go one step further than human trials. Do call it challenge study. And that is we inject the animals. Wendy acts will virus to see how the vaccine works to see if the vaccine works. And what happened in every animal. Trial was the antibodies that were created by. These vaccines did not protect the animals from the virus but actually grabbed onto the virus. Held it into the cells helped to proliferate through the body caused was called is cited kind storm it complete immune system meltdown upper respiratory condition described as a municipality tight to in the lungs severe lung issues organ failure and in many cases that is result of every animal trial prior to warp speed into human beings so when we looked at the trials that were warp speed of these safety trials that have already been truncated. We went into emergency use authorization. Wouldn't you wouldn't you think by the way. Dr peter hotels. That's a scientist has been trying to make a coronavirus vaccine. He went before congress early last year and described immune. Enhancement this issue. I'm talking about where the backseat acts. Like a catalyst to help the virus till you. He said there's no way we can get back to you not within eighteen months. We should be very careful. And in all those animal trials you'll find in the conclusion it said it says carson. We should be very careful moving forward with human trials but we did and we truncated those trials after just a few short weeks after the second back nation again an emergency use authorization when we went and investigated those trials every single one of them admits. We are aware of the problems immune enhancement. We do not know what this vaccine will cause immune enhancement. More studies will need to be done over the next couple of years. Wait a minute. We're talking about an issue. That i five being baxter did and i come in contact with next year's corona virus. That cold could drop me debt. The vaccine will help it. Kill me that is the theoretical potential of every back seeing. That's now be injected all over this island and all over the world that's a fact and they know that's a fact and i'm amazed that in their ego and hubris desire to try and force backs in the world and get us all so afraid that will inject ourselves with anything that they didn't at least make sure they overcame that diabolical species ending problem. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know how they plan on getting around it. And that's just one issue. As i said michael union from pfizer vice president of pfizer previously came forward and said his concern is that the spike protein is designed in august. Vaccines were remember. You're not being vaccinated with the whole cell of the virus. Only one of the twenty nine proteins. I think it's like a martial artist and only has one move right. We've got the one spike protein and we think we're going to beat everybody in martial arts episode. I wanna kick. I want the elbow on all those jobs. I want every part of that virus. I wanted to all of it so that no matter what variation or whatever mutation happens my immune system can beat all of them but they are designing your body's with his back seen to only recognize that one little piece just constantly mutating virus and michael and said here is my issue. The dna code of that spike protein is almost identical to the outer layer of the center called the incident that that layer is so similar if we create antibodies with us back in just to that spike protein. There's a really good chance that many women's bodies those antibodies will see the placenta an attack it because it looks just like spike protein. That's in the vaccine. That is a leading scientists from pfizer. So a bond wrong and antibody dependent enhancement. Doesn't kill us when we all come in contact with the virus next year after we got it. What if michael unions right and no women can give birth ever again because it these are real feel radical issues. Now i'm not saying i pray to god we are wrong. I pray to god that for some reason what happened. The animal trials is not gonna happen in human beings. But that's what we are left to right now is wing and a prayer because these scientists have done with all of our bibles warn us about. They have eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Then believe they can do what god has done perfectly to all the native peoples here on these islands when you think of the destruction to your people to your diet to your world. Now it's happening to all of us. The arrogance of man has the potential of being the most dangerous weapon there. There has never been a bacteria or virus that swept the world and wiped out the human species not even close but when you take two words rush and science and you put them in one sentence you were now stepping into a space. Where the ratification of our species could happen. And i wanna be clear. Maybe share deng luck. None of the issues that world renowned scientists are bringing up right now will happen but do you realize the road roadway paved. The pharma will now only have to try any product. It will be injected into us because our government officials and police officers will enforce whatever the tolkien force then. We'll be forced to take products that do not go through long term safety studies where the president of the united states will say. I want every one of my citizens to go out and take a product by a company that has paid out billions of dollars for killing people in courtrooms all across the world and those products went through safety trials. I want you to trust me. I want you to trust who already admitted he lies to you. I want you to trust visor and madonna. Who don't even know what their products down doing to you because it's never been injected into a human being before. Why are we allowing. Why are we voting in politicians. That are turning us into diddy pigs and we think about what type of pigs. there are look at israel. Israel's in deep deep trouble right now we're talking about people that have fought for their survival thought to have their own place to live made it through a holocaust where they talked about their killers being diseased talked about them as being dirty and they need to be a radical needed to have the pure bloodlines down familiar. And now the same languaging is being brought upon israel. They're being forced to have not this time yellow star but a green batch in order to walk into places of worship in order to spend time with each other in order to hug being told to do the socially distance and now when we look at these islands. I think you're a great risk of being the ultimate test group. The united states of america you've got to stop is back seen passport. This past born the end of these islands is the end of your freedom as we know it and it's the beginning of the end of a disease that could sweep across our nation when you talk to people about this. Here's all i think you've got to get across. I mean i. I stand in their science. We could argue terrain theory or germ theory. But all of those things are too heady. We need to talk where they understand. And here's what everyone must understand these vaccines do not stop infections. Just that simple. They do not stop infection therefore they cannot stop transmission. The what sense is a passport. Then don't allow the only group of people that have taken a product then turning into described as symptomatic terriers. That's all the vaccine does. It's typically if it does what they say does will lower your symptoms which. I'm amazed that they say that. When everyone i know never knew. They had it until they got tested. Were talking about the latest symptoms. So light you don't even know you got this thing but said how vaccines even better than that better. Zero like coke. Zero is like zero times. Infinity ludicrous but it does not stop infection. All it does is take away your symptoms and this is one of the issues. That vandenbossche discusses if it's only take what your symptoms you see how moronic this is going to put people on planes and fly them in here thinking that they're healthy when they're the sickest people in the world because they've got a disease they carry now and don't even know that got it so the entire point of protecting these islands either doing in out. We'll be totally mind by the world's worst back. Hey you need to let your friends and family know that. At the high wire dot com. We got video of everybody all one little video faculty Heads the fis maternal. All explaining the vaccine doesn't stop infection. And i don't know how many of you caught the interview by mexican actor. Director is really great. He grills vouch in a way that no television reporter has and the right answers to many of those questions too. I believe that there is going to be a mass casualty event. I think millions and millions of people could die. Those that get this vaccine are in real danger. There are multiple theoretical issues. That have not been worked out and foudy and the. Who are all crossing their fingers. But if they're wrong we are going to see people dropping dead like crazy and then what's going to happen is they're going to try to blame those of us. That didn't get the vaccine that we're the reason that the virus is mutating becoming more deadly. And that's why. I've been promoting geared vandenbossche. Andy world renounced scientists. That comes forward and says no are vaccine is what is going to stress that virus to become more deadly. I'm going to celebrate that person and say hey that's on your team man and you guys started to fight about this. It's beautiful this morning christine stable band. Who's worked on back programs all of the world. She's weighing in on what you're saying. The debate is starting to happen. We need to fuel this debate. That's what it means to be free. I might be wrong. I might be right. You might be wrong. You might be right coming up here and let's talk about it. We talked that story. All lives are hanging in the balance. Now we are under threat by a world attack like we've never seen this isn't nazi. Germany this is an isolate in germany. And hitler and the edges of england. This is world wide a couple of very powerful very arrogant. Very stupid people are overriding. The judgment of tens of thousands of brilliant scientists doctors experts around the world. there is no consensus impacted. The reds it's on the side that lockdowns have destroyed our civilization. That masks do not work and activity everybody an experimental vaccine before you know what it does could lead to the greatest mistake in human history. Here's the irony really. Someone shouted out. They think it's on purpose. I'm not a conspiracy. Theorist and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna say that to improve it but let's just say since i do know bill gates does talk about how population reduction is like number one primary goal. His father was a known outspoken. Eugenicist is true but you see the irony. Here's the beauty of this. If that's true and if lee successful and this vaccine does end up doing what it did in the animal trials and whites millions and millions and millions of people off the planet and we watch the shape of our populations change overnight. The irony is bill gates will be surrounded by nothing but antibac- sers because you are going to survive this and everyone you enroll is going to survive this and everybody that stands up to tell the truth. It doesn't go near that pharmaceutical disaster. The kittens hitting us to breathe fresh air whenever you get a chance because by the way there are billions of viruses and microbes during your lungs. Right now as we speak that is how the world works. that is how god created us. We are constantly adapting and growing because we have a powerful immune system that has no problem was stupid. Colds like toby. Nineteen but did a bubble aquarium in high. For five years we could come out years out of our bubble and that corona virus bob years from now that could be deadly. That could be like the smallpox and things that wiped out the native american communities. That have never been around a flu. That your body's never seen can be deadly. We cannot take ourselves out of this constant dance. We are in with the microbes of our world. It works perfectly. we are constantly acclimating. No matter how dangerous virus gets bacteria gets are well designed immune system not one. The backseat created a specific immune system. That only sees one spike protein. One fighter that says. Come after you like this. And i can be you. We want bruce lee man. And that's what we have in our natural immune system is what it described my show dear abandoned bosses talking about what you have your natural immune system is so incredible you have be selling teased. Selden nate immunity. We have natural killer cells to say. The vaccine makes more antibodies than having the national immunity. Because naturally your body does such a brilliant job and kicking the crap out of covid nineteen her. Many people don't even need to create about his. You're not killer cells. Go in and destroy this thing on contract and it is actually left. It has the mob it up. Then maybe your body makes it about all natural. Immunity is not as strong so not so we are the only ones those of us. Avoid the vaccine the only ones that will be able to handle every mutation variant the way we have gone off god perfectly destroy. Our bodies know what to do with getting the way. This is the greatest failure in the eastern science from a virus. All right there was an experiment. Can we hype from a virus. Matter all masks in all the lockdowns. The death rates went through the roof new york through the roof california. In fact it should be argued that the lockdowns and the mask in all that caused this virus to kill people. We let it hang around too long. We should have wiped it out the way we all do. By letting your kids go to school. Let them catch the cold that them start bill. Now wall immunity. Bring it home. Will errands go through that crappy stuff that came from the preschool and then by the time thanksgiving rolls around. We're visiting grandma. Save to come out because we took care of it for you. We need to get back to being sensible but we also need to prepare is is an arc right now. You are fighting for the future of your species. We need to gather. We need to enroll everyone we had. I would recommend not spending too much time on those. You know you lost. You need to use your energy to find those. They're questioning those that are open those that still have instinct and intuition those that know something is wrong here. If we find all of those people those are our people and they are the future of our tribe of our world. You cannot be silent any longer. Everyone we let down everyone we avoid. That doesn't get the truth. their their end is on our hands. We have mission. You must stop this passport. You must start electing better people here and around hawaii as we do on the mainland. Same job cut out for us and by the way there's a lot of smart people out there start getting into politics start getting in ball and definitely a definitely if you do nothing else today make sure you go to children's health defense team hain brought me here and all the people that work so hard to stay on top the bills the laws are going to try and rob you of your freedom. The history books never have a page in it. As sad we outnumber the other side. The battle lasted about. The battle lasted ten and a half minutes. We never rent that story. It's always insurmountable odds incredibly outnumbers but because there was a value and a passion probably most you love for our own children and the dream of what this world should be for them when they walked through it. Those people that say i would rather die on my feet than live on my knees throughout history in every nation in every corner in every island in the world that small group of people everybody underestimated made the world. What it is brought us over day bus freedom and now it's our turn. We no longer have to be jealous of thomas jefferson or martin luther king and how amazing those moments must've been. We are living in it right now. We must make sure your that. The history books ream people that stood up against armagh cynical tyranny up against ridiculous laws telling us to stay three feet apart and put coverings over of our mouths stood stood for what it meant to be human beings one family on one planet believing that the sun is feeding us not an enemy that the air is supporting us not killing us and that the rain and the tears falling off right now are cleansing us in purifying us and baptizing us or the mission we have right now please amazing their time. Break this mac. And it's brought to all the islands we are joining. The many cities are and fighting back. Our freedom once again with. I'm i know. Many of you are ready to run from the rain but does consider it a little portuguese. Our we needed a little something. I want to introduce myself and coming up right now. is nurse. erin i know. Many of you are check hers. But freedom fighters know that freedom is not free and fear is forms. So i turn you over to a woman who is in the epicenter of coal bid in new york city after fighting for our nation. Please help me to extend a lot laws too. People don't know what they don't know. I talked to a lot of locals. Have been here for a couple of days assigned first time in hawaii and it's sad because the politicians are so ugly and such a beautiful place. They're ugly and they don't belong here. We need to get rid of them for modem out running for these positions you know we don't need tyrants here. We don't need to be surrounded by cops right now which is insane. This doesn't happen in florida and we're fine or thriving you know and you guys can do that too. And i'm gonna fight for you I don't think hawaii has enough attention. So we're going to get you some tension gonna keep. You need help. And we are here wasn't each and everyone of you can do this. If i can do it you can do it. So god bless everybody here for coming. And i hope that you can reach out to me too if you want. I might instagram air and underscore bsn. I wrote a book about this There's transcription book of actual conversations. I record add Jove's what really happened in the art. People didn't die of kobe. They died of gross negligence medical malpractice mismanagement and a whole lot of corrupt greedy politicians. That don't care about the people. They care about the narrative they care about control and for ninety nine point nine percent recovery rate for most people. You need to stay away from the non. Fda approved biological agents. Okay it's very dangerous and if you don't wanna be as experimental because they're not telling people this you are the experiment there you and for what they did in these hospitals to increase the desk count. How much stressed you really have in the medical industry anymore. I have nine. And i'm a part of it. I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm going to be a part of fixing it because that's what we need. We need to restore ethics. Thanks in everybody needs to hold their doctors and nurses that aren't respecting their medical wishes to lay out and find a new one firearm. Let them know that they're not doing their job. What happened to upholding the oath. It did it happen. Nobody's doing it finally. We're getting some more nurses and doctors speaking out but there's not enough and it's really sad because we are family we the whole industry is failing the people and if you have lost trust and even going to the doctor where are we right. Now what are we doing to the people. These local people That i was speaking to. They can't even pay for their bills. It's horrible. It's very very horrible. It's there's we had a waitress and she's working three jobs just opening up and she's like i don't know i. She's a single mom she's like. I don't know if i can afford my house. What is going on. You guys are locked down based on what honestly money controls stop letting them control you. Okay stop what control you stop. Letting i'm skill your lives that you have worked so hard for in stop letting them steal your children's childhoods it's just drawing our future generations and you know what every single one of you can work to make sure that they have a few turn. That's free that those How many veterans are out here. Yeah there's a lot that the veterans that fought for you to have the freedom to be able to live freely in insecure. Your future for your children you know. That's why we did it. And what what a stop in the face you know to to have people that have died in lost their lives and they're just stealing it from all right under us and we can't let that happen so thank you so much for having me and thank you for staying in the rain. If you have any questions. I'm going to be around but don't be don't live in fear anymore. Fightback stand up running for these offices and kick these tyrants out all right i love you so much loving laws nurse erin from the very state of florida setting the standard for us along my taco long. I just love the word. People much less fighting revolutionary war. So thank you for standing here for freedom we want. He bless you as we said. Whoever colonie call newel which is a hawaiian blessing. Notice that right. After mr big tree spoke yield shattering storm came down and it means that when the heavens cried the earth is blessed. Does somebody here that right now. Either the heavens in hawaii knows what is and what is right out like calm down. That's what i'm getting but calm down button. We want to bless how many of you got a ticket. Thank you for that. got a ticket. Adore prices are going to get given out so pull it out from your soggy wet pocket the way if you need more of nurse aaron. Wasn't he phenomenal mother of three fighting for rights. I don't think anybody ever asked to become the face of a revolution or a war. But he is now on the front lines of this battle with all of you all right. So we're gonna do the first giveaway and your prize. You're going to so me that you have the number just is my beautiful van brown not vanna white of the beautiful brown in the state of weight and we're going to draw a number. Everybody rope lease so did that. Also naturally from the nether region. I will point out five seven. Three one five five seven three one zero five. Yep ten seconds to run up to me. You must be present to win five. 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Pack last three numbers are zero. Five and the number one zero five one zero five one zero five one. Thank you for making a donation to our raffle and supporting freedom. Zero five one. Oh here marcelo. And i look valley with about twenty thousand tickets. Because they're smart and they know how to bless it forward. Thank you so much. Here's your slip. And what was your key. Faulk from church last door prize. And then i'm gonna have to bring up another hero of mine. Many of us have seen some of these speakers online right. You're seeing them on youtube et cetera. We're going to have lebron loma. He's a freedom fighter from coming up next. But first our dr price and by the way if you recognize this music brought us is humming in a hot minute so get ready for the gift of joy. Laughter is far too entrees at donor shack. I've been reading all about these wonderful freedom fighters here in honolulu hawaii donor. I think they serve donuts. Flags and freedom going out in the last three number zero one to number twelve number twelve twelfth. What's your number. She doesn't even have a ticket. She's like my numbers. Twelve zero one going once donor telling you get back. Live donner donner sorry. Donner with a mediterranean twang. Okay at the time family. Could you guys come in a little bit closer. And if can i know we find men and women in blue and we bless our law enforcement officers. I'm a huge fan of law and order aren't in front of so many people. But you know what i don't do what i do. Because they have no fear. I do because they have no choice and we have to take a can now courts too late. You know so. We recreated writes a little over a year ago when all of this began and we knew from the beginning something was definitely not right about what we were seeing. Come down coming down the pike and being somebody who's been researching this kind of stuff for a long time. I knew right off the bat that this was heading towards a vaccination and that they were likely going to create mass hysteria. Everybody to this vaccine and so we knew right away that we had to take a stand and we had to do something to awaken humanity to the reality of our situation and the reality is we have governments around the world then have convinced people that it is far too dangerous to be human. That stinks ace is more important than actually living and to me. I say safety without liberty is called prison at. We do not want to live in prison so we came together and we started protesting and we decided that it was going to take a lot of work but we were committed to doing that. We created a nonprofit organization. We're committed to trying to preserve civil liberties to empower people to know their rights and to stand up for those rights and to remember that these rights were granted to your your creator not a gift from government and the government is supposed to be protecting those rights. They don't need to be concerned with protecting our health. Whatever happened to personal responsibility. So you know we do have people that might be a little more vulnerable and yes we can take those people. We can do things to protect them. But we do not need to destroy everyone else's lives in the process and that's what we've seen happen and absolutely breaks my heart white watching these small children up here and just hearing them speak from their heart and it just brings tears to my eyes and this is why i do what i do every day because of my children and i do not want them to grow up in a world where they were they do not know freedom and this is where this is heading. If we don't take stan and we don't bring justice for what's been done and it's time for us to really take it to the next level so i'm not gonna get too far into all. The details are so many things i could say. But we'll keep this pretty brief actually but we already have brought lawsuits and the first lawsuit is in appeals right now and that is in state court and we are challenging the legality of emergency orders because our hawaii there is a sixty day. Time limit doesn't governor gets to be a dictator and he has far exceeded that right to be a dictator and no matter no matter what kind of virus might be ab- no matter if there is a true emergency which we all know. There's not because kobe. Nineteen is not a deadly disease. It's a business plan. But he there was an emergency that does not cancel the constitution and the constitution stands above all else as the supreme law of the land and as good law abiding citizens we are supposed to deny any laws rose mandates orders that violate the constitution. We should not be submitting and a symtomatic here. Your stuff is at the heart of this and this is why it is so important for us to bring the lawsuit then. It's going to expose all this as a total fraud because the genetic harrier theory that's not been proven is at the heart of the quarantining healthy people forcing people to wear a mask you to win. They're not sick and basically completely dehumanizing us and so we are really excited today. Because i just wanna share with you guys that we need your help and there is something that you guys can do to take action to fix this problem. We have teamed up with pam popper and make americans free again and are can ohio and they also have a brought a lawsuit in ohio as well as new mexico. There's seven states that are now taking on the stands up name and we are now considered the hawaii chapter so far rights is now hawaii stands up. Yeah and so what we need everybody to do is to go to. Hawaii stands up dot org and put your name in on our website at what you're doing is you're going to join this digital coalition this database of voters and we can use this database of names as leverage with politicians. So let them know if you want votes. You need to listen to the people or we're going to get you out so that's just one thing that we're going to do. This is a three pronged approach. We stand in our sovereign god given rights we. We create this database to be used with politicians and we bring a lawsuit. And so that's what our big mission is right. Now is we're going to bring a third lawsuit and this one is the big one and it will expose the entire fraud around the pcr tests. We all know that this has been nothing but a case built on a fraudulent test that does not determine that you are actually carrying communicable disease and that you can be spreading it to people ninety seven percent false positive rate. This thing is a total fraud. We have fraudulent deaths reporting. Basically they have re branded the flu and we are going to expose that. We're going to expose that. There never has been any emergency. And once we get into the court of law and we can prove that our rights are being violated. The government is then forced to have to prove. There's an emergency and they never will be able to in the state of hawaii right now. I just looked at the vital statistics records. And you know how many more debts we actually had in twenty twenty two thousand nine hundred and hawaii only fifty three more deaths than we had last year. And that's supposed to be a deadly pandemic or an emergency situation. It doesn't lie so anyway. I'm going to wrap it up because we have some more speakers. And i know that everybody's been out here. It's raining but thank you so much. Please go to our website. White stands up and please donate. That's all we need lots of money. We're going to bring expert witnesses. The best expert witnesses were teaming with amazing Attorneys across the states. And it's going to be a big undertaking so we really need your support and i'll just close one lasting and not is to just remember that. No one has a higher authority over you and your body. Then you know. I can tell you to put in or on your body. It's time for you to know your rights sanofi rights and fight for your rights because we are the ones that we've been waiting for great job. Nevada loma stand up stand up hawaii dot org literally stand are working to have the singing of the star spangled banner to honor all that we love the state and the great god beyond. I'm gonna welcome the warm up a bit more to sing the star spangled banner and he is fangled out herself. I just love it with all that spirit. Everybody peace dan joining. We're supposed to have done this song to start the patriotic spirit. Here in honolulu hawaii to amen. And then because the star spangled banner stands for our freedom and our dedication to the us constitution. Mahalo thank you so much and he abandoned funding their benefit. Clean house hawaii. And karl thank you so much for being here. They represent the they got the supreme court for election fraud. The they got the got a case going. So how about a big house clean house hawaii there is a block alleluia country. One you can you see on a daily live. What so we want a high. Lastly who's broad strikes and saw through boneless home of the wrong we worzel The three wrong bombs. The goose. That off i was jail who say that. That saw spang goal back the lantana hand who lady event more tiny name but she tax upon just love it and at this time get. It's the number one great joy number one comedy team burdon. Just get these areas versus. Go ahead and go ahead and get. Some of these are expected. So we're here very spice up the pylons not to worry all clorox in your people solution the solution. If you're not athletic don't be doing nothing. Okay close you okay. I think. I think we need to measure ready over these guys going to close with a camera. I don't like your hallways it. We are now. Cdc and socialist is okay but we are not this thinly social because he's hawaii these below. Hi pal last filipo. Aloha what the time the fifth of feel something coming my last brother. Oh felix subsidy right now. Oh oh push my two months. She was too much energy. Sorry when you do much everything shut down. Felt pentecost puccio so both through saying casa heavily persecuted or could word is that dow dow dow show not charged. No man with a mask on no mask because should be only by a whole back of violence. Okay seriously you and thought we was province. Rare your life that you'll all right. Let's go ahead and get this party started. I'm going to take the people. And i'm going to pick the people shower together. Every research talked tape took second run like attitude. What's going las vegas either. Jeff look like these days all they know the top right just one. Please excuse me down. We've never had the product performance broken up by the phone before but he's brothers. We must respect a respect them. We have the right to assemble peacefully. He's four streets not suspect. But i will say this. There's about two three four five six seven eight thousand people on the beach closer that you are right now. So few beats now. Let me ask you one question wearing a mask. Would you go into surgery with that mass. What you what you escape just asking. Just throw any truth on this question. Open heart surgery and you wanna get a mask on my body. Next year we got in ninety five ninety six ninety seven ninety eight dollars one hundred and one hundred and just put a pluck here. Be happy person to your right and that individual. You're looking good. okay okay. Okay through the left hand side and say hey what happened just came out probably also gracie we want to welcome all of you in hawaii the melting pot of the entire world cities. So as you look around basically is represented here on a three for freedom. That's why he's so important. Check it out. We can joke about each other. We can talk about each other. You don't about my mama we could. I think that's a joke laughing man. Okay your net now just for example if anybody would have something to stand on your feet a culture of our hawaiian us into others sisters. After all before us. So we want you to be proud of your ancestors where they come from for example when you hear your ancestral background or at least anything out any hawaiian people think. That's part of the reason why we lost the land. We ask you to people and you don't give us your full. You don't give you a who fall. You was all my you look so much because they all went back to work at the sheridan and time three of the peach. There's so much t- streak it's like. Jk got so many different ethnicities. We want to welcome and he'll accustomed japanese. Astral jeopardy's ohio must be hang hop knees chico. Hundred cool too. That'd be for polka. Shimono sony from yoga novel watson and then of course i married to one. I wanted to say a so thankful any house vietnamese chinese Chinese people in holland chinese people. How ma hometown tiny togo. Very nice of chinese fico of got one over here. They'll be these people dabo upping. I how you family so just. We're all calm. We're all repeat and aloha but if anything should happen please be in groups of ten and please make sure your mask is on but we do have a religious exemption many of us and this is a peaceful rally and protest. You're covered by the constitution of the united states of america the freedom of assembly the freedom of the right to protest the freedom of speech also like to pass around offering alright. Anybody needs sprayer. Just come will be more than happy to prayer warrior right now prairie stuff. You don't forget it. There's just wanna make sure that we all aware. It is a rule that he's not a law so rule. Yes so we will. We will go ahead in groups of ten group south that we're not. We're not trying to make a whole thing of this. We will be respectful a special weekend absolutely. We also have news crews thank you so much to tv and several other news crews look also broadcasting around the world and around the state with our cameras here. And so everything's documented. Just keeps smiling. Were gonna make this round.
FOF #2891 The Man Who Signed Metallica, Beat AIDS and Took a Bubble Bath with Nina Simone
"The club scene in new. York City. In the nineteen eighties was an incredible time for live music punk pop the second British invasion and heavy metal band dominated a scene where people had plenty of free time and lots of great drugs to take it all in at the center of this incredible world was Michael Alonzo, a music superfan who became one of the biggest names in the industry despite being a young Queer Puerto Rican from Brooklyn Michael started out booking acts like, Duran Duran. U2 and Tina Turner for her big comeback and then as the anr guy for elektra records, sign metallica and changed the world in his new autobiography I am Michael Lago Michael takes us. On a fabulous journey from sneaking out of his parents house at the age of sixteen to becoming one of the top and our reps in Music Michael Stories will have you hooked from his role in shaping the music industry to his personal struggles with drugs and alcohol to fighting HIV and finest second career as a photographer of hot muscular man today Michael Lago joins us to talk about his amazing book and amazing life from signing some of the biggest names in music to helping Nina Simone. Relaunched her career to his relationship with Patti Smith and as wild night section it up and New York City I'm Fausto for Nas I'm Mark Villian and this is feast of. Peace. The Fun is made possible today because of fierce fabulous people just like you and by better help H. E. L. P. dot com slash farm. All right now you're not going to be going to any therapist office at least not face to face you might as well tell a mental health. Yes. So you can visit health professional better help H.. E.. L. P. dot com slash fun, and you can talk about all the issues that are on your mind and you know right now you're going through a lot of stuff and don't bottle up inside and talk about share your feelings grow as a person with a licensed mental health professional visit better help dot com slash fun. Hello. Hi Is this Michael Lago yes it is high you crazy buddy This is Fausto. Faster Darling how are you and Marcia, from feast? Hello Mark How are you doing great I'm so excited to talk to you over thoroughly enjoyed your book I am. while. That's that's the title of the Book Yeah You're feeling Mark Feeling you exactly and I guess I have doubled trouble on the phone. On. The front and the back honey. Oh Mary. Calm down. I haven't even begun yet. I absolutely love your passion for life and analyze totally everybody life is always going to be a roller coaster. You're going to have highs and lows, and so two, three five, you have to find what you're passionate about and pursue it relentlessly. And you've done that. That's exactly what I did. I mean honest to God I talk about in my book how I came out of the warm music now i. didn't know how our eventually that was going to manifest itself. But as a young kid in Brooklyn, I would watch Don Cornelius Soul Train Dick Clark's American bandstand and I just love those shows and I thought what am I going to be a soul train dancer Rate A record with Dick Clark, and all those kids and. You listen to seventy seven, WABC radio, which back in the seventies radio was not heavily four mattered at all. So you could hear aretha and then you're gonna hit Bowie and then you're gonNa hear our young grand funk railroad and then you're GonNa hear Archie Bell and the drills so use or open to music at a very early age and I just always loved music. So I eventually I had no plan B. I just had to figure out what the plan was going to be. And you really discovered some amazing artists at a time where you know the music industry was being shaped and formed and. It's really like New York City in the one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty s you were sneaking out of the house at the age, of sixteen. To get into Max's Kansas City full. Veto Hemans Andy Warhol Superstars, musicians, and Blondie Deborah. Harry was a waitress there. This she was a waitress said before I used to go there ask but. Sixteen I was out. I would take the be trains from Brooklyn into the city and it depends if I was going to go to CBGB's that night I regret author. Or if I was going to go to maxes I, get the union. Square. But they were only about ten or so blocks from each other. So if shows in the same evening, I, could just go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and I. Did that for a lifetime and this is the thing. I. Don't understand because today we have the Internet and friends can find out who's good who's performing where the day it was flyers from photocopy store. How did you? Go to find the good music sure. Well, I think at that very young age like I said I listened to the radio I watched what was called like music television than and at some point I discovered publication called the village voice and in the village Voice Music Art Theatre. Pornography and politics I loved everything in their politics young person you know, and then of course, they were those. Back pages but I wasn't really hip to the back pages at that age I got hip to them in my twenties thirties up until yesterday. Just kidding put. I just are I was hanging out with friends. They were listening to a lot of new music When I saw advertisement in the village voice I just thought wow, see I've been hearing about CBGB's. I have to go to CBGB's went there in nineteen, seventy six it changed my life forever and are back then. The clubs were not. Being people at the door it's just everything was so loose that I sixteen I looked like I was fourteen and I specifically remember the owner CBGB's hilly kristal would say to all us, young people you can come in. But if I see liquor in your hands, you're out for two weeks. So of course, we drank everything we needed to drink outside the front door and then we would make our way in there and have. Fun So. Once I discovered like I said the village voice and there was a gay publication very specific. I guess to New York and California after dark. Was a hello music theater. You know half naked dancers from Broadway in there and between those two publications a whole world opened up for me and I knew. Excuse me I knew that I loved music that was hard and fast. So when I heard about all these records coming out on sire records like dead Gauloise and. The ramones and talking heads and Richard Hell in the voids I thought to myself. Oh, I got here this stuff and I wound up loving but yet coys and I would go to see every time they came in Cleveland Ohio and one night they were doing a three night stand when the British invasion of Khan came to New York with a group called the damned I went all three nights to that. So I was just. I was just creating my own way my own path because I was curious and I was so curious it was out all the time and your parents were just like stay on it does it doesn't matter go well, you know. It was just me and my mom and my sister my dad left when I was twelve. I went to Catholic high school and my mom just outlet. If I was doing good in school, she allowed me to go out. I know he prayed to saint jude and her candles every single night of her life until she passed away two years ago. And I think between my mother praying for me. And I just was. I think always just felt safe. Some strange reason even though the bowery back in the seventies and early eighties was a very dangerous. Get you place. I never had fear. I. Just wanted to go with music would take me no matter what. And that's exactly what I did. Why were you able to be so comfortable in your own skin as a Queer Puerto. Rican. Who may not have understood you Do. Prejudice against you as a person of color as a Latino. As a queer person those things how were you able to internalize phone? You know? Again. The Way I knew I love music the music I knew very early age that I loves boys boy then and I would I always managed to fool around with all the youngsters and you know back van it was like you show me yours I'll show you mine I. Don't know how this why this was but I never had here I always saw I am Hawaii and and you're either going to like me or you're not going to like me and I don't care. So when you saw like other people like your friends or families and they did care and they were holding themselves back. Affect you or was the music so big in your life that nosy house was going to stand in your way. That's correct. Well, this is great because you know when we think about rock and Roll Music Yeah We. Also, not thinking. Sexual. You know the music scene of the late seventies and early eighties. There was a sexual energy that was everywhere and and love. There's this photo of Tim Curry Meatloaf and you as if you`re Transylvania from the rocky horror picture show that just didn't make it on camera. Well, you know odd that picture is very on default and it did historic. It was I had heard about the rocky horror show probably from after dark magazine and I saw that it was coming to New York to play it to blast theater and I thought to myself I gotta go and back then I think tickets are ten dollars from dollars, yes? Yes. Yes. I just found my opening night ticket for a chorus line. And the ticket for opening night with ten dollars personal balcony. Yes. Yes. To your your your your serve the unofficial. Transylvanian. Salonika. Loved you and they took you as one of their own. You know I went to the show. A number of times people don't realize is that rocky horror on Broadway was a complete failure I don't even think it went two hundred performances officially anyway. I was hanging out with these two of the young people that will pop out at sea and I said, you know going backstage I gotta meet Tim Curry and they're like Michael Union tell us you know Tim Curry, I don't know. Tim. Curry. It. Doesn't take a lot to say, hello, how are you? I'm up the show can I take a picture? Well, Him and meet Loeser walking out they see me I think meatloaf it's it's something like have you been to the show before I said about five or six times? He said I thought so and I you know I just love you all so much and I come here half the time I second acted where when people come out to smoke after the first act you just walk in with everybody you find an MTC and you know I was I I don't think I was I. was fifteen years old so I took that picture. There's a there's a brown paper bag under my arm because I think I had just come that afternoon from a place called Titus oaks records in Brooklyn, and you know I was always buying some vinyl and my friends, Sony Picture and it's just a marvelous photographed. From Nineteen, seventy, five and. That's when you saw the film in. Theaters. And how did it Jive with what you have experienced as a fan of the live show Rodway? For me at a very early age I also loved live theater. I was. When you see a movie. It's toys just totally different. Lives, you're feeling that energy. From the performer and all these performers or wildly charismatic. So you know you're in you're enthralled with with the performances in the music and how fun. It is and you know a movie is a totally different seeing but the movie was awesome as well and I love the actress that you know that they wound up getting barry last week and Susan. Sarandon. For the movie but it was really something else on. Broadway failures are special. One of my favorite albums listen to is the theatrical release of the rocky horror picture show which are and be flavor to motown. Yeah. They really made them more rock and roll for the movie I think yeah and to me I was I was looking forward to talking to you on the podcast because I was like I wanted to actually get a sense from somebody who is so immersed in the scene about what it was must have been like to be sitting there and Tim, Curry's like. This is going to go anywhere. Because of the success of rocky horror picture. Show Twentieth Century Fox Green lit another Sifi picture which became star wars. And sorry to conceive that that rocky horror picture show led to Star Wars, and in fact, a lot of the film extras from one movie were in the other. So like a lot of the CANTINA scenes and even the the tall guy who eats the cake and the time-warp seen, he was a stand in for two Baca in the first star wars movie I'd go. Laying that on people who may not be aware about this because it's like we're so interconnected everything is connected to each other Oh. Yes indeed. But you know it's funny that you say that about stars I have never seen any. Busy going all these music shows honey I was busy one of the beauties of seeing the Rocky Horror Balasko theater is they pulled out all the seats and they had small tables as if it was a nightclub setting and the beauty of that too was that Tim would go lip of the stage and sometimes wander in the audience with his goal fencer and people like you just looking at what the fuck is going on here I mean because nobody no, I don't think I've seen any character on Broadway proper Broadway like Franken furger before you know I rely on. Just, as much align with Brad and Janet, and they were not really. At that time period, people didn't know what to make of it, and so they're watching these decadent gender bending vamp like characters on stage and they're like God I hope they don't touch me. Honey I was hoping that. Touch me. Again and again and again. You've had your fair share of touching I. Think one of the things that I loved reading about especially was your time like cruising the cruising in New York, going to the peers, answering phone booths and just. The. General. Hooking up in the pre AIDS era honey I did it all. I lived in the meatpacking district for period of time it seven, sixty, three Washington. Street. On just a half a block north was the mindshift. I only went once or twice once Robert Mapplethorpe then when somebody on it just wasn't really my scene. If I went south just I'm sorry that was south of the mind. If I were north just a block and a half, there was the and Zil. The Eagle to spike and the Ramrod and I visited. The end jail four o'clock in the morning Steiner's dance and I. Just love all those places. So by the time I came home and it was almost daylight I was fully tanked and it was the thing like I talk about it my book day we're phone booths everywhere, and if the phone is ringing, you could be assured that somebody was looking at you and that's when they quickly called the number. I. Re pick up the phone and it's like, Hey, and they say They would say look up and unethically somebody was jerking off in the window, and if you saw the person and they look good, you would say what's your apartment number? So I would go up you know have a shark off with them. And then. Come home and be back be back on my merry way, and that was just the way it was back. That was if you weren't physically walking past somebody cruising then I. Guess it was it was it was a primitive form of hooking up and because I lived in Washington Street if I read West one glock, that's where it was West Street and that's where all the peers were and they were they were broken down and people would go there to cruise and you really have to be very careful because those buildings were hauling down and I remember very specifically fat. There were a couple of those buildings ahead had like a second floor. And you'd have to be careful that there was sometimes coverings on the floor, but it wasn't like like old or or anything like that. They will covering there. If you step there, you would fall through and you would wind up hopefully not dead in the Hudson River. In. Any people yes. Many people died from. Falling. In the second floor to the law into the river. Jerry haunting. It was very fabulous. It was always a non amiss and that's you know that's gone now. Right? Oh honey. It's been long God. It's been long gone because you know semester. AIDS EPIDEMIC Closing you know there were thirteen years wound up getting locked up. There was still one more fun thing on to do in the meatpacking district. There were all those trucks that were lined up at night, and if the back of the trucks were open, you pull up the back you'd go in have closet door have sex. Pack backup and go home I mean all forms of anonymous sex happening and I took all of them and thank God sixty years old. The meat was expecially pasted. told. Me was especially to delicious and raw in your face. We'd like to take a little break now to remind folks that Feasta Fund is made possible because a fierce fabulous people just like you and today's podcast is also brought to you in part by better help dot com slash fun is something preventing you from achieving your goals what interferes with your happiness are you feeling stressed out or experiencing anxiety visit better help H., e., L. P. Dot, com slash fun, and assess your needs and match with your own licensed professional therapist that specializes in depression relationships and lgbtq plus issues, and so much more the services available to people all around the world here at least the fine mark and I want you guys to have a more joyful. Life as a listener, you get ten percent off your first month by visiting better help dot com slash fun and join over eight hundred thousand people taking charge of their mental health. Please if you love the show and you're curious about getting mental health services grow as a person visit better. Help H. E. L.. P. Dot com slash fun. Well, we think about sex nowadays well, not right now so much because of cove and everything, but you got with the apps and everything like that. It's so easy to hook up. But in many ways, it was even easier than to hook up back. Thank. You just went to space. There's somebody there if you liked him, you did it. Absolutely absolutely. Yeah. Never been one for the APP thing. For me, it felt a bit cold and indifferent and. I always liked the idea of seeing somebody smelling somebody, and if I felt like you know you get like an energy and a ceiling, some somebody closed and you would know, let's go to my house only live a block away. Treat like the Sax on these APPs as if they're ordering a pizza online and they're like. Or less you know. Well. I guess once and only once in sobriety I decided I'm going to call one of these. Hookup with somebody there was a guy he must've been good six to two hundred plus pounds I told them. I looked like he showed what he looked like and I said I do not hardy and play I. I just I don't do drugs and he said you know like point well taken or something like that. So he comes over and I opened the door and you I A great judge of Character I. See him get off the elevator and I thought Oh, this one's gorgeous but I already know this something wrong here he gets to my front door and in one of his nostrils assists blood coming down and I say buddy I've already told you I don't party and play and your nose is blood coming out of your nose and his answer was Oh wait. That's from yesterday I said yesterday I said honey you have bad hygiene and this ain't GonNa work I've already told you this some getting ready to close the door and he sticks his foot in the door and I thought Oh. And I said. Get your foot out the fucking door. You don't know me my boyfriend is in the bedroom. ally. Because I was a nervous wreck. So he takes out. I, slammed the door it kicks. Your fucking asshole Blah Blah Blah I was more decided call my doorman and I said Oh. I said. Did. You see I think they had the wrong apartment I leaving in the elevator and they said, yeah my own. He's he's Outta here and that was the only time. I ever use the APP honey after that, I just took the apple, the iphone I said. Never mind never mind anyway. Well, I WANNA talk about one of your greatest contributions to the world of music and that is joining Metallica this relatively unknown benefactor from San, Francisco, right into me. Yes. Your record label. And I I mean how what is it that you saw in Metallica that other people may have overlooked at that time period oh sure. We're looking about one, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, eighty, one, or eighty two. Well. Let's say. From nineteen eighty to nineteen, eighty, three, I was assistant director at the nightclub called the risk which everybody present day knows. Webster Hall I I was nineteen. It was my first job in the music business I knew that they were playing. Down the street from the at Lamola Rock Club of Brooklyn Rock capital of. Leyla world and me and my French dilip went to see them I thought wow. These young people are out of control and at a very early stage of their career, people would call an alcoholic because. You. Honey exactly. Because they were drinkers. Now I never wound up booking them at. The Ritz. So fast forward half year nineteen eighty-three I start my an opposition at Elektra records. I become friends with man named Jonny Z who has a little independent label called mega forest. PUT OUT THE FIRST METALLICA record kill them all but they had no money to market and promote any of the acts that they had. So I wound up seeing metallica again this time in San Francisco. Two stone blew me away. They were relentless on stage. These were four young people who knew what the thought they were doing on stage. All four of them had charisma of them that radiated from the stage and you know I felt even at my very early stage of my career I knew. who had charisma and who didn't and James Hatfield their singer had charisma in spades. He was a ringleader onstage. He knew how to whip the crowd into a frenzy and when you very rare thing or thing that you cannot buy, you cannot buy the it factor you cannot buy charm and charisma you either have it or you don't and too bad. You know. But they had like I said in spades and I thought I have to work with these people At the end of the show gave Lars, my business cards he looked at me like. Great Urine anr person at electric and I think the reason he looked at me. So incredulously is because if he was twenty one, I was twenty two years old and I probably had a motor head t show on a plasmatics t shirt on and you know my whole twenty, five years as an executive I never looked corporate at all out. That wasn't my thing. So. Fast forward, it's nineteen eighty-four. He calls me up and he he's still interested US I sit damn right. I'm interested in you. He said were coming to play August of eighty four at Roseland ballroom on West Fifty Second Street was on which unfortunately Roseanne does not exist anymore you know he'd been there fifty years it should have been land marked but it wasn't they come to New York they perform they blow away say five hundred kids in the audience and that night I went back stage I was fully drunk hugging and kissing them and they're all looking at Lars like Who is this person please and they're like James? This is Michael. From electoral records and they all just stop what they were doing at once again, they looked at me like. Wait a minute. You're the record executive who our lives going to be hostage to and the next day I. Mean it's a long story but the next day there were my office in the conference room I already beer and Chinese food that nineteen eighty-four. So I some final and cassettes up to stooges EMC five doors on all of the A. Rock and roll acts on Elektra and. After you that day. We got out of their contract with a force records and you know money talks. So everybody walked away financially satisfied and the rest is history that that's signing changed the face of rock and roll it changed the face of heavy metal. Made every record label. Want to follow what I didn't find their own metallica but things like that. Don't happen. Yes. There are other great heavy metal bands out there but Metallica have always been unique unto themselves off and here we all thirty six years later between twenty and if it wasn't for Kobe is pandemic baby out there playing stadium still and they they they always stuck to their guns. They always did what they want to do on. They never followed any other artists they never follow you. They wouldn't even listen to me has to time but you know what I knew that these young people all along that we're very focused and you know here we are. defined higher music genre and -solutely. Here, assist Queer Puerto Rican guy same age. They're you know I'm sure listen James Hatfield is gorgeous. Now he's a daddy and back down You know and I imagined that you did not hold back expressing affection for this gentleman. So. How able to convince these incredibly talented up and coming rising stars to sign on with you or was it a situation where you were having to convince the record label to? Dive into this or did you have no no one to answer to? Make. Decisions that. No. It was crazy decision I'm sure for other people but I had an answer I had to answer to our chairman but now and Bob. Trusted his AARP you were hired for a reason you were going to sink or you were going to Sweden I decided I was going to spin the guys liked me because I was young and funny and knowledgeable of the music are the sexuality thing I'm obviously they knew I was gay people I talked about me being wanted thanks you know when you go meet Michael Lago he's gay it obviously didn't bother them. We laughed we talked about music and I said, you know what? I am going to take great care of you and we at Time Warner at elektra records, we have a history. So when you leave here and figure out what it is you WanNa do have our law. How are how business affairs talk to Mega Forces Business Affairs, and let's make it work and they wanted to make it work the same amount at the same way that I wanted to make it work and it really just happened. Nobody else is chasing man although people will say, Oh, I was looking at Metallica and no you art nobody was looking Metallica but knee, this was not about radio. This was not at the top forty or anything like that. It was about these extraordinary young people being brilliant on the stage so but it's also. A testimony to your ability to give them a fair deal because you know. In terms of music history and certainly in the nineteen nineties, there were so many bands that went into bankruptcy because these record labels gave him such shitty deals where they sign them on spent all this money on them did nothing to promote their work, and then all of a sudden these bands were owing hundreds of thousands of dollars to this record label and you know in your wisdom. Didn't do that and you created deals that were fair to these artists and I think failed to the artist's and knowing that we weren't going to be it wasn't a commercial signing at my marketing meetings I would say to people this is not radio please don't ask edit a fucking thing on the album because I will look like a fool to the ban what this is about is. We have to figure out what the cost is for the next year or so to put them on the road you have to pay for all back. So it was about print advertising it was about putting these young people on the road. So people get a j-o-s-e of what everyone is talking about and they always out the people. So did you ever bring any bands to Puerto Rico? I never did no. No. Because it was like you know one of the things that was really frustrating and in the nineteen eighties like all my friends and were head bangers. They would save their money and pennies and the first rock concert I went to was Scorpion. Grow grow. CEO Tacoma and. Oh my God. act. was. Unknown. Band. From new. Jersey called Bon Jovi. And People were like they're like fuck the Scorpions, who's this Bon Jovi. To me, it's really interesting because then later on metallica became a pioneer once again in the rise of peer to peer file sharing and taking Napster to court, which at the time was a very controversial move in peace afford it was very encore laws to do that. They asked you for advice on that. What was your? No they did not I found out that and I think the next day in one of these papers billboard or somewhere and you know. Laws knew they did not want to be taken advantage off if you put on music. You had to pay for it. It's the same thing you know. This has nothing to metallic, but it has to do with music and spotify and and and and How artists make money these days at one point when apple music came into existence maybe. In the last three years or so they will crowd of themselves and saying everybody gets free apple for the first ninety days. Don't you know that that was when a Taylor swift record was supposed to come out and he tells her management who I think was up big machine. At the time. I don't want my record out there. They can have my record after that ninety days. Now, she was called every name in the book, but you know what records are not free. Up there are managers there artists, producers, engineers, there are studios food. Mastering there's all this stuff. That costs a lot of money to make a record and I was proud of her when she said you could put my record on apple but I WANNA get paid so I don't want to be including those first ninety days when everybody gets free and q imagine for somebody even then told me three or four years ago who was selling millions of records, what a loss that would've been if she allowed that so I always I was a person who always got in trouble the record companies because I always stuck the artists. This Day, the artists, still the people getting paid last and I don't know I haven't been in the music business actively. Formerly for for years now. But you still hear the same old story. You actually sorry. I mean Nina's. Run. No No. Really. I have to say part of it is music was what drove you out of the house out of the small world that you were in into this amazing giant colorful industry and were you were at the center of it and you shaped it to to be a better place for artists. And I. You know it's like I really have to say you know expressed the deep gratitude for people like you who? UNAPOLOGETICALLY are themselves and create a space for artists not only to have a career but to to survive because you know in United States copyright law only benefits the wealthy and if I had a nickel for every time some idea some catchphrase from. Pass some flag got stolen from me and getting paid a penny from it. I'd be region and. It's so. It could. You could have explored these guys and screwed them over and you didn't because you loved the music. Absolutely, really like I said I have always my focus was music I didn't know how I was going to get to where I got meaning my first job at the Ritz and then twenty five years. Three drink and drugs and AIDS. I had an aunt, our position and I don't know how I never got fired from any of that when I used to combat. Drunk my the door to my office would be close till three o'clock in the afternoon. So everything lifted but you know what I knew I read honesty God I just. I loved the music I love the artistry so much that was my dedication. It wasn't even to the fucking label man it was to the artist whether I was signing John Lydon sex pistols and Public Image Ltd or whether I wanted to resurrect the simone factories period of time. When people said she has been, she's nasty. Why would you want to be involved with her and I thought well, all those things that you just said excited the hell out. Of Me, because there is only one of her and I knew about her history in the civil rights movement I knew the saw to be young gifted and black and Mississippi got Dan, and I thought I ought this woman I was friends personally and professionally less than ten years of life. If you ask me, he was the greatest artists ever walked the planet Har- interpretation of Bob. Dylan George Harrison and her interpretation from French to English of Jacques Brel. Is Beyond. You know she knew how to get to the heart of the matter of every song she sang and you know recently work with Nina. Simone. Well, not every day. No, but I was young and I had. Such love and respect for her that. She appreciated that that we just we really we became friends over those last fifteen years but you know she was bipolar. She shrank with her medication. So anybody whether it's me, you Nina Simone. If what bi polar which talking down a bottle of wine in those tales ain't GonNa work like they're supposed to. So you can only arrogant you get a little out there. You know you see things your way not maybe not the correct way, but you know what I just always. Loved, her I took care of her as I could as a friend and as an anr executive and you know we we we. We just loved each other. I. Treasure. Well. So Michael. Basically, you could really relate to her. Absolutely your book you did ecstasy with her what was that like? Oh this is hysterical. She was doing nine nights at the village gate. What are the nights I brought Kurt Vanderhoek from Metal Church and he set you know I've never I've heard about I. Never saw her said well, honey witnesses. So we're sitting in the audience as she looked over and she said. Where were you last night I said I was busy at a heavy metal show she heavy metal show and she just turned back and started playing the piano and so of course I'm a little tank says I always was and I say play Baltimore and she looked out the crowd and then recognize my voice she said island we do not do Baltimore I love Randy. But when I made that record, for Crete, Taylor at T.. He gave me ten thousand dollars. I never saw a penny again and if I saw him, I recruited accent his head. So dilu-. Dying we do not do call to March. She just went back to the piano and started playing to she wanted to go out. We go back stage. and. Introduced. To her and she says. This isn't a heavy metal said, yes, she's a looker. Foxy. GonNa take you to sign me I said we're working on it hind we're going to do it. She's I WANNA go out tonight. I said sure I. have. You just ask you. Do you ever take pills or any drugs all. On my Michael. Not, for years, I said, well listen I'm GonNa give you this pill ecstacy and you know by the end of the night we're going probably be married. She laughed so hard that she took it. Kurt, went home. This cart Hammett from metallica no. No. Kirk Sartre Kurt K.. U. R. Tinker Kurt Vanderhoek from metal. Church okay from the band. Metal Church. So we wound up going out I. Don't know why there was a Wednesday night as a cat club we went to the cat club wasn't are saying so I called Claro. At the limelight I sent bringing Nina Simone make sure there's a self op stairs in the it and we sat there till four o'clock in the morning we were. So our that we were laughing thinks we were kissing and that so after that, I don't have to I can't just leave I, have to bring it back to the hotel and I talk about it in my book how we get there and I'm all down. And you know she has her falling for code on and and the powers that be at the hotel they look at us like these people are nuts and they wouldn't let go considering with art they shut. The is the electric off in the elevator and I started giving them hail and she. Threw her flowers on the floor was like don't you know why? And at one point we talk to each other 'cause they were calling the cops now on us and I said Darling, you know what? Go Up to your room I'm going to go home or call you when I get home. We talked on the phone till the sun came up. So those are the kind of nights that I had with. I mean they were extraordinary. They really want. I. Like I say I think I thought she was the greatest artists ever walked planet I completely adore her and to this day. I you know I miss her every day I talked to her the day before she passed away and. There's nobody like her and the. Dated can't. Be. Anybody. You've had a deep influence on so many artists Cyndi lauper once said that the best advice you ever gotten her career was from you. Where you said to her, you should sound like yourself. What was your one per like when she was in blue angel before she released she so unusual which right girls just WanNa have fun and so many things I met her in blue angel because cooked clue angel for a couple of nights at the reds it was basically hi, how are you? Can Get for. Towels and the dressing room. Do you need any more beverages that that was the extent of it? At some point Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. She releases some unusual. We don't have really any connection at some point present day manager, Lisa Greece was our publicist electorate and then Lisa was are published and set Geffen records and then she started managing cindy, which now has to be fifteen sixteen seventeen years ago so. At some point, you know I officially stopped working as an executive in two, thousand, five I ideally, an offer twenty, five years I was tired of it. I was feeling sick again a bit from, by HIV. From HIV and I thought you know what? I'm going to start taking pictures. So at some point in two thousand, nine Cindy calls and she says to me You Know Michael I. WanNa make a dance records and I want some one in our person to help me and I want you to be that person. So we made a dance record co breeder the brink and it was good. It was good. We worked at a lot of new producer is day. She called me again in two thousand and ten, and she says I'm back and you know Michael I WanNa make a blues record. Now, of course, we know Cindy is always up denture and she says Michelina how to make metallica records Gino's a blues record I cindy listen have you ever made a record? No I said good. We're even playing ground so I would go home on the upper west side we would again we love charge Chinese food. and Re would listen to PLU accordions on computer She had lots of blues of UNFUNCTIONAL box sets. I would bring up CDs and we were just start doing research on songs that potentially come from a woman's point of view and. We made this incredible records commence blues. It got nominated for a grammy for best. Contemporary. Blues Album didn't win but it signal to us that we knew what the fuck are doing and a great recognition on. That's all I'm going to tell you about that. So so that your listeners readers can read the book because I. Tell it very wonderful story in the book out that it's a chapter is called Memphis Blues. The podcast is giving us the tip and we're wanting the whole eight inches. Honey. Sometimes, it's not that will. I really appreciate about you is that you love thick big dangerous muscle man. I do I do Throughout Your Life your friends in the music industry, express admiration, and surprise that you can go find somebody at a club the most dangerous guy with covered in tattoos and the next day he thought his sends you Polaroid's and love letters and marriage proposals that was very specific to I used to go out with Rob Zombie overtired and Sunday afternoons. Hardcore show. And I always. I. Always carried around my polaroid cameras nate because I love everything immediate of course and. After a while me and rob just being at the ball I'd say honey you know what I gotta go check this crowd out and everybody was crowd surfing and jumping off the stage, and of course, I find the meanest baddest locating tattooed guy and I would bring them home and rob would say Michael please don't do gonNA get your ass kicked and the next day Robin I would be having coffee and I I pull out of my bag to Polaroid's Is Night. and. You know the story to be true because we're tells it in my documentary who the fuck as that guides still on Netflix and he would look and he'd be astounded like I can't believe I said honey belief and it's it's what I know how to do you know. What what's your secret? The Polaroid camera because part of it is like I remember before the Internet and before cell phones with cameras. Now you know it was a really great way to convince a muscular guy to at least give you attention if you had a camera on your like, Hey, will you posed for me and he's like so you're playing into the need for attention ego. Go right and he works out hard on his body and he wants someone to acknowledge be seen and you know. Like bodybuilding sometimes, it's the gayus forever because it's men working out for other men's is. Of, course, absolutely listen you know I. I was in San Francisco one year talked about this in my book and I was what did I see the Bar Bay area reporter and a section of Blue Pages And I saw like a two hundred and forty body bill under forty count body bills. Had An ad mighty said and I saw the head never could care less if they I in the center of the head 'cause they're. All, I cared about was the body anyway and I call the AD and his name was Chris Jesse and he had Let's see what year could this have been. I don't remember but you know he had won the nationals on the. He had an DD. Cardi was a professional bodybuilder and he came boyfriend forget of time and I. Don't even know why I'm telling you this right now I love muscle man. Well the reason. Is Because, you dedicated you kind of have like a second career as a photographer and. You have put out a lot of great books about these men these amazing dangerous complicated men that you manage to capture on film and I feel like a lot of our listeners probably of senior book in a gay bookstore maybe even own a copy of a rough gods. Yes. So all my all my photographs really go under the Monica God's I put out a little self published book call rough God's. Sauce cover. A book. Pages it's sold out the two thousand copies, Bruno Komo under in. Berlin count out about me and they published by next two books. My Best Book is the second one called brutal truth. It's a two hundred and sixty pages of Bee's K., and it really is my Moore's fabulous book by Third Book. Beautiful imperfections is a ten inch by inch. Talk of all pictures I shot on the I saw and. It's not as it's not everyone shirtless and whatever but it's not it's provocative and almost it's not X. rated at all bought. My second book I would say is you know and I just know when people say do what you love I always did I loved and I knew that I always wanted to take pictures because as a young person I, love the stories that pictures old when you ought to ten. So I wanted to tell my own version of stories and that will related to big muscular tattooed man and. I. Wanted to share that with the world and the books are all at a print now and I got to figure out if I can be back east last two clocks or if the deals are up that, I could republish them. But yeah, I have no idea ongoing with any of this part of it is like you know Mike Mr Rogers he said that he liked to carry a camera and take pictures of everybody he met so he could remember them later on. The. Way To document. I'm wondering like you know what your thoughts because you're on instagram and Social Media Lake, you're you know if people look at my aunts who I'm following on Instagram it's very embarrassing 'cause it's basically like porn. Guys and fitness dudes. Yeah and part of it is like I don't even want people to scrutinize what I'm looking at it and I wish there was a way to make that private. And Social Media There's nothing prize at all and part of it is like it's great to see live in a world where all these guys have cameras and they can you know show themselves and it becomes a very voyeuristic world where everybody sort like very comfortable showing off their bodies you know but. For through the past Decade or so on. You've seen that transformation, you've helped document and usher it and I imagined like has that change your desire to photograph when everybody already has a camera or as a Ma stylistically. S to those three books my. Style has changed a little bit i. put my cameras away. To take on the IPHONE, with an application call hit steamatic I. Love everything comes out in a square format white. Now of minute I been taking again lots tattooed pictures very sexy nothing x rated about them of men. There is an occasional allman that I've taken a picture of because their tattoos on her face and body was so extraordinary. So I WANNA put out this black and white portrait book. But I gotta find a publisher and because I've been in house for four months now. I decided you know what I create being creative what I do. So I started taking these pictures called art series is going to be cold art in the time of coronavirus I've just begun I must have about well fabulous portrait's already and I wanted to either be a book or at least in art installation somewhere. So that's where I am right now my pictures as we speak, I think I'd lost like dimension it. In your book, you talk about you having relationships with these very famous photographers, George d'oro and. And it's a it's incredible you. In the photographing Tracy Chapman. Male Thorpe and. The photos so they wanted to. Well. Let's see. I didn't signed Tracy to electric my boss Bob Kraft now date but you know as a chairman, he does and our stuff he said Michael I signed this girl you're. So she was in the beginning of making her record with David Kirsch down and I resent I went to the studio Lebron's to hear what they were doing. It was exquisite I mixed mixed mastered through I'm not mastered the record and I thought. I have to have my favorite photographer of all time who is dying day as we speak photograph. I show tracy his portfolio and She was very quiet. Show or something. you know. What I wanted to show her what the celebrity portraits of town Smith You know just everybody out there a some flowers in there to know rocks up the NS or anything like that. We did not that day. Thank you. Okay. So We brought her to Robert such studio. He moved to West Twenty Third Street and he was very sick. He had are beautiful bathrobe and velvet slippers and his brother Edward helped light the photograph but I left them alone day a week. Later I got the pictures they're very beautiful black-and-white pictures but they had nothing to do with the atmosphere and the vibe of the album they were black and white pictures like he loved photographing black men, black boys, and that's how he treated her almost a little rough and tumble and Up keeping about six of his. By tens of the of the images they would never seen nor have they ever been used and it just didn't work. So there was a day I was looking through. I don't know why. Time magazine and I saw the picture of a little boy from Ireland screening into the camera and it looked like an illustration but it was a it was a plaque sepia toned photograph the photographer Matt Marin I called that. Beharin even though art department was like this has nothing to do with you you you do an art, but I wasn't paying attention to anybody I in leading with this artists in her record for year I gave her and five songs. He's one of those fast car and he said I know what I'm doing with this girl I sit great I had to convince. Our chairman that we had pay maple or and we. Were starting a new he said get it right and it's beautiful Sepia tone picture of Tracy is our turn to the right very somber, very quiet, very introspective and that was the phone that album and that kind of. Signified a change in the music industry in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight that correct she she won a grammy for a think. Artist new artist and. Best Song at saw was just everywhere but were. photographed. How it was thought about it also, how shooting public consciousness well I. Tip of what you're talking about I think at that point in time in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight, and I don't want to sound well, I was Gonna say I don't want this to sound corny but you know it was at a point in time that record came at Seis Lee the right time because people wanted to be spoken to again. And that record spoke to so many types of people. It was a fresh new singer songwriter voice out there and you know the voice was so. Beautiful you know and that someone fast car was. Is Amazing. You know it's a funny thing i. Thought, about that song as an allegory for a LGBT Q. Experience living in a small town. At the time you know and light and but it was a really interesting thing because of the success album, it was the soulful sad yearning that was so beautiful that it inspired people to go out and seek queer musicians and singers, song writers, and it just opened up so many doors for so many artists because. Yes indeed. Yes. Indeed. Sold millions. But when it came to Tracy, Chapman's breakthrough hit fast car the record label didn't want to release it as a single right. I presented once mastered I bring it to our Wednesday marketing the ink. Everybody's like wow and then someone at radio said Oh. Single. Is Baby. Can I hold you and like you know like my ten drops I was mortified by I quietly left me. I was like. Telling on the marketing meeting I went to crass now's office Bob. You have to come in and pretend that I've not set any of this to you. They want the single to be baby. Can I hold you? He said three what's the single I said fast car he said. Okay. So go back to the marketing meeting come back and bodices. Okay. So what has everybody talking about Tracy chiming wants to single baby can I hold? You know it's not it's fast car, and if you think you can't get it on the radio please don't come to work tomorrow I mean that's how. All. Yes. But you know. that. I knew Bob knew a couple of people at the company knew that when you heard that album that was the song that was going to send the entire record over the top baby can I hold? You is beautiful but this was not a singer of love songs you know. So yes, it's placed placed on the album, but it wasn't the first single would have been a disaster, but instead the first single came out it was. A major hit from the get-go go the video k now it was playoff MTV and vh one and. You know extraordinary record unfortunately she never did that again 'cause she wanted to be her own boss like even on the second record she didn't want me involved and just thought you know she felt millions let her do her thing but that's sometimes back in the day what they used to call sophomore jinx where artists would come out out of the box sell millions and on the second record would not be as huge as I talk. To light and so many other artists around that time. Yes and a lot of those people just unfortunately happen to just be one hit wonders now he loves that hit, but it's just some people. Got It in them for lifetime and other people just have it in them for that moment in time where it works, it works beautifully and it just doesn't happen again. Michael just want to express so much gratitude for how you've shaped the music industry for the better it's hard to imagine. The music that is on our phones that we listen to every day without having some direct or indirect touch to it. You, and before we leave I, just wanted to. Kind of touch about like you were there when Tina Turner made her come back. With that, that album and people were like lies Tina Turner back. It's like they were there were positioning ready to you know she was Older back then they were You know. She had not been in the spotlight for very long time and. I forget her manager's name. So please forgive me maybe we can figure it out. It's the blond guy in the movie. I don't know anyway are our manager calls Jerry Brandt my boss and says, you have to trust me we have a record that's going be coming out. That's GONNA blow everybody away I want you to cook five nights and Jerry. Wait a minute. We haven't seen her since forever and five nights. That's like one, one, two, three, four, five, six, probably about seven thousand tickets or so fifteen, hundred, night and Jerry. Just had blind faith that it would happen. We started doing advertising for everyone really did want to know. About where Tina Turner has been. It was a landmark. Off. Five nights and Your everybody you know I. Wish I table upstairs receding Keith Richards David Bowie and all of these great came out to say we got to see Tina Turner and all those years of heart being away. She lost nothing she was older and more beautiful and you know sheet. That's another one charisma the STAR TO STAGE CRESCENTS THAT DANCING A. Player Timmy Cappello Kenneka Palo Rough. Thank you. So anyways. was that was it those five nights landmarks rich and fifteen turner what about Duran? Duran W- we had I, I, don't have anything to say about since. The Great Pan I, never had anything to do with that top forty was a really my thing. So. I. Couldn't tell you anything as a photographer. You photographed Jane County, the artists that later on went to inspire John Cameron Mitchell to create his hedwig persona. Yes. Yes. Yes. That's great. Funny Story I love Jane County I, was friends with her at Max's Kansas City when I was going bear in like seventy eight, she was still not as Wayne. County her manager who is really my first mentor and who pushed me into photography his. Car their pita, Crowley and. He, they needed a photograph and he and he said you have film in your cameras and I looked I had one frame left and I just said. Yes Peter I could do it. So I grabbed Jane Wayne and I we went to this room upstairs thirst or maxes, and it wasn't even a bathroom. It was like a one a closet as they say in the UK, it was just a toilet and so we grabbed his heart Qatar I sit on top of the toilet, show off your talk, stick your tongue out and took the picture and for a couple. Of Days was still living in Brooklyn and I don't remember if I broaden it the films of the Candy Store The pharmacy of the corner to develop the sale and pray that that one frame was going to do it and it was incredible. It came out it became the cover of her blatantly offensive EP and to this day you know we still talk every so often if you don't WanNa. Fuck me fuck off. Exactly. Before he your motto. Words to live by for sure that is correct. You booked Madonna for two thousand, five, hundred dollars Oh. That's a great story as well. Yes. On for a short period of time every Wednesday night, I talked to club on West Fifty, seven, street Red Tarit and. There was quite artists who since passed away from AIDS named John Checks and he was. He. He designed all my Wednesday night. toasters. was coming out with her album and single I. think it was everybody and I was speaking to Rob's light I see an. Art because it was a gate like she was going to do like two or three songs to track and I said. Robert can give it two thousand dollars and of course were arguing back then in probably nineteen eighty, three about if I'm going to take her two thousand or twenty, five, hundred dollars in the end I gave in pay per twenty, five, hundred dollars I'll send you ought to look up an email you or text you copy of the poster. Words. He was a wild success and that night sold out everybody downtown from the downtown scene are came to the show. It was extraordinary. The music from her debut album. This is stuff beforehand notice is the debut album. So she's doing like holiday border need like everybody every everybody was believe the first single and I don't remember what the evidence his may have been but it was a three songs, two tracks and that was the performance and this is the stuff that she produced with the Jelly, Bean Benitez or why you believe Jelly Bean might have mixed. Marquette Marquette cannons was to producer of that first album. Always hear this expression that I think is so funny that musicians a that like I'm a real musician because unlike Madonna I didn't sleep my way to the top. And I say to them, it's like honey if you know who to sleep with to get your way to the. Sleep with them please. Hello. Hurry up. The beds right here. Exactly. So what's your day or week GonNa be like? Are you just kind of like a planning stuff to creatively you know overcome the covid pandemic and survive and? Or? Most of my day. Wake up and thank God I, say my prayers I make my. I get to a nine am zoom meeting of alcoholics anonymous. I go to those meetings seven days a week at nine o'clock in the morning it sets up my day and it fills my head with goodness and sobriety. So that at ten o'clock I do anything I always feel like I can take on the world and that's always been my attitude. So like for instance today I had a meeting. The twelve o'clock interview. I have you with three o'clock right now as we're speaking and I don't have anything else planned. It's too hot to go outside. So unfortunately, I'll probably watch too much MSNBC. and. Off and I'll go over to TM Turner Classic Movies and I'll just. My all my favorite black and white cell Tamar shows and that'll be my day. You know and if I know yesterday I, photographed the drag performance artist. Joey Arias. Well, when I I started, you can picture we shot it in fifteen minutes and it was the first again with the first frame that came out. So delicious that it's going to be part of my series art in the time of coronavirus. So as as any anytime, I can get a photograph taken these days I'm out in the streets finding a cool location or something with a little atmosphere and Shooting pictures again and specific for the series at the moment I'll fabulous. It's a pleasure chatting with you Michael Lago, the name of the bill. Is. Michael. Breathing music singing, signing metallica beating death mark's. Trying to. Read off of the sheet. Michael allocco breathing music signing metallica beating death, and you can get it on Amazon. Dot Com and honey I'm cheap this week. It's twenty bucks I. got to say it's a fantastic read. I love. Aided by New York City and especially that time period when you were there. A lot of drag queens rupaul and Lady Bunny. Michael after you like johnny-come-latelies compared to you. I was there at the beginning and we didn't even touch upon and I hope you enjoy if you go back if you decide you. Talk about my create loves to the artist. Patti Smith yes. Yes. Little. Jumpy fresh. Turpin you. So you became friends with Patti Smith first and then you you knew Rob Maple Thorpe's later separately. Correct that's correct. Yes. I been fan of hers since horses came out in nineteen seventy five. He knew that I was a great fan of hers and. At one point she stopped working hugh moved saint. Clair Shores Michigan her husband Fred Sonic Smith from the NC five and they were raising Children Jackson, she knew that I was very sick with AIDS. And in the early nineties she telephoned way every day to check up on me and it was between my great doc took office starret who kept me alive and those conversations Harry who? Toward Me Go and really did. So for me, she will always be a saint in my book. I still get a bit tongue tied when I see her because I. Just have such great love and respect for the arts work for the drawings paintings, the album's music everything. So anyway, even we just touched on it if this is part of the interview instill. This a great little. Five page chapter adopt. Pavlovian. Because it like you were. It was a fan relationship not necessarily it wasn't a professional relation not at all not at all. You don't. Get some quotes, Baudelaire in there and it just kinda remained reminded me of the eighties and how everybody was kind of reading that stuff and The People Over. I hope take you I. Hope they're reading bought and Andre E income author and. You know that's Incredible stuff. Really incredible stuff. Well, that's why I really appreciate about Queer people from New York City's that they're they read all these like high-concept theory books. So they have something to talk about when they're hanging out at a coffee shop. PODCASTS. On typecast like right now. Yes. My goal, it's a pleasure hang out with you. PLEASE IF YOU'RE IN CHICAGO COM, Cook with us in our revamped cooking were drag Queens TV specials here Oh. I totally appreciate this interview. It's been so much fun talking to Bellevue. And thank you so much. Thank you for being much of. Food. To like. What's your favorite Puerto Rican dish? Well I'm easy. I love yellow rice and beans and tossed on as. ME. No I I beat me more only because it doesn't agree with my system and problems and. Blah Blah but you know we make Aarp Combo. But with them taxed rice vegetable proteins, it's a Vegan. Employ believe it or not trust me. You're going to get a phone call from me and on going to say on how is next week and I think. I Love Chicago I, Love Wax, trax records I love what is it North Clark Holstead? Just, please I, just Chicago is fantastic. So thank you both very much. God. Bless you and be well. Thank you, Michael. Okay, bye. Take care. Michael, a Lago lives in New York City once again, the book is I am Michael Lago breathing music signing metallica beating death, and you can get it through our website fees to fund dot com link theory and you can buy it. Through. The Amazon link we had a little chunk of change from that. We yeah it helps to make the podcast possible because. Your financial support is what makes feast the fun alive and Thrive. Dot Com slash plus an access thousands of legendary conversations in depth interviews with lgbtq legends like Michael Lago. You can also visit us at Patriots Dot Com Slash Feast of fun podcast is available there as well as other content or perhaps you'd like to just make a one time donation to the show and you can do that at least two fun. Dot Com slash donate also van Mo is. Fun and definitely you know. Books aren't necessarily your thing on on net flicks. The WHO the fuck is that guy is a fantastic documentary. You know it really is a testament to Michael's love of music and musicians that all these a listers in the music industry. Got Together and allow themselves to sit down in front of the cameras and talk about his contributions to music and to their lives and what I love about him. He's just his passion and how it just didn't stop him. He was just like this is what I like. I'm going for it and nothing's GonNa? Stop me and he lived through a lot AIDS drugs alcohol. It's just he just kept on going I. Think the the beat goes on because part of that is like you know your passion is what's going to get you through these tough times and it's easy to give up on that passion because. When you're starving when you're worried about what's coming tomorrow when we don't know what will happen certainly, you know watching the the Republican National Convention is is a is a horror show and these people might wind up taking permanent control over this country and we ask ourselves what next your passion your love for for creating things for people who create things it's what's tying us together is what builds coalitions is what will overcome all the tyrants, all the petty monsters, all the greed and security. The music is what's GonNa get us through it all and people like Michael Lago is a testament that you can overcome anything as as long as you sincerely and beautifully pursue your passion well so I've really enjoyed reading this book. I can't recommended enough of your fascinated with some of these celebrities artists, Patti Smith. Than George Gerardo divine mentioned Tim Curry just so many people to search. It's a fun read. Check it out mark. Thank you so much for doing the podcasts hall. Thank you. So for doing with me, I'm about to share your passion with you by everybody.