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The Real Story Behind The Don McGahn DOJ Subpoena
"Great website. Theresa Munro Hamilton reports that the Department of Justice under the Trump administration secretly subpoenaed information. And former White House counsel Don McGahn, a Democrat. Rep. Adam Schiff, it was leaked to The New York Times, of course, seem to be falling apart. There's no real spying allegedly took place. The story was written by Michael Schmidt. He's a hack Charlie Savage, a hack. Reported quote that the DOJ secretly subpoenaed Apple for personal information on again and his wife in February, 18. And then barred Apple from telling them about the reported move during that time period under a non disclosure agreement. The devil appears to be in the details here, and this may not be the breaking story. The media are apparently running with Schmidt tweeted quote New DOJ secretly subpoenaed Apple for personal info of Trump's then White House done council dime again and his wife in February, 18. The O. J. Bard Apple from telling them at the time, But three years later, May 21 Apple told them. It's unclear what investigation it was related to Clarifying an interesting tweet was then issued by Savage. The co author. Quote, Apple recently told Don McGahn, Trump's former White House counsel. That the Justice Department had secret collected data about his account of a February 2018 subpoena. Caution. You can't conclude from this fact them again was intentionally targeted. It began was not intentionally targeted. Then the whole story is evidently not what was purported to be, You understand, folks. That is for investigating a leak, and there's a whole bunch of people that they're looking into. They're not supposed to investigate a leak. Apparently, that's the case, particularly if it That benefits the Democrats and hurts the country. The accusations do not go into detail about the DOJ investigation. It's unknown what federal investigators were looking into. Even if McGann himself was their primary focus, or whether it was somebody had contact with Apple reportedly did not inform again what they had turned over to DOJ. Report did state that Apple received them again subpoena weeks after another subpoena was issue that was connected to leaks and the Russia probe. The subpoena involves records belonging to California Democratic representatives, Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell. Again. The subpoenas were ostensibly an attempt to identify individuals who leak classified national security information. During Trump administration and were not specifically targeting shift. So they're throwing a
Philadelphia Phillies Legend Dick Allen Dies At 78
"Tony i wanna see a few words about the passing of dick allen. One of my favorite players as a teenager philadelphia phillies richie allen. But he wanted. Mvp on the south side in one thousand nine hundred seventy two plan for the white sox and two years later tony. He had what i thought was a but at the time was a fifteen year old kid in attendance. It was split. Check swing down the third base line. One out in the ninth inning against nolan ryan broke up the no hitter. The closest i ever came to seeing a no hitter in person with all the games. But dick allen he was a hell of a player probably didn't get his do then and michael schmidt one of your favorite players know a big defender of dick or richie allen whatever. He was particularly affiliate for mike schmidt. Just a wondrous player michael jackman. He's one of the greatest third baseman of all time.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"York Times Washington correspondent Michael Schmidt. He's broken many stories about Trump, and he breaks more stories in his new book. Donald Trump versus the United States inside the struggle to stop a president. It focuses on two people in the administration who stood up to trump and try to rein him in and prevented from abusing his powers as president and from breaking the law. Those two people are former FBI director James Comey and former White House counsel Don began began became a major witness in the Mueller investigation. Tom McCann was worried about his own legal exposure. So we started memorializing everything that happened between him and Trump so they'd have a record of how he tried to prevent Trump from violating the law are abusing his presidential power. And that began wouldn't be held legally responsible for any violations began also got his own lawyer, William Burke, had represented other witnesses in the Mueller investigation, including Steve Benen, Reince Priebus. Pompeo. So why did again start cooperating with the Mueller investigation and didn't have an agreement about how that would work on what the boundaries would be. So the Mueller investigation is looking at whether the president obstructed justice and they come to me again and want to talk to him and Him again. Surprise Trump in his lawyer's trumps. Lawyers are encouraging began to go in, and he does not understand why they're doing that. Why are they allowing The person closest to the president who knows what the president saying behind closed doors to talk to investigators, investigators who have enormous public pressure on them to stop the president and who are almost certainly going to look at the president's actions as potentially obstruction of justice. And we can just doesn't get it. And he thinks that they may be setting him up to take the fall that if Trump gets accused of obstructing justice is going to say, Look, I was just listening to what began was telling me to do. And begins, lawyer Bill Burke tries to sort of stop this from happening, and he makes the case to Trump's lawyers. Hey, you guys sure what you're doing here? You sure you know what? Don may say No, no, no, no. Go in. So when McGuinn goes in, and he sits down with Mueller's team began realizes that he has to do everything he can to be forthcoming with them. Look, every witness has to be forthcoming with investigators. They have to tell the truth. They have to tell the full story. But McGinnis essentially there and saying, Look These prosecutors need to hear from me everything first because I don't think I did anything wrong, and they have potentially enormous amount of leverage over me. They could write a report. They may write a report that lays out my behavior. I need to be the first one in the door to tell them about anything because I'm in a very vulnerable position, and what happens is that they end up with this incredible witness. Someone who has credibility, someone who has access and who has a very good ability to recall the facts and including writing notes and memos to himself between him and his chief of staff that document these conversations. In an investigation. That type of witness is hugely consequential. And in this case, the president's lawyer was that person against the president. In spite of all the objections that don McGahn had about Trump's behavior and things that Trump was doing that abused presidential power began state because he thought Kennedy Justice Kennedy might leave, and McGuinn wanted a chance to nominate another justice, which he succeeded in doing with Brett Kavanaugh. And then after that, Trump basically fired him on Twitter without telling McGann or that telling Trump's own chief of staff at the time, John Kelly. Tell us about what you learned about McCann's reaction to that. So it's the end of the summer of 2018. Began is in the midst of the Kavanaugh nomination. It's obviously Got off track and looks like it may be in peril. And begins trying to figure out how to navigate this how to get through it. And at the same time, he started to have conversations with Trump about leaving because he knows that he's got to go certainly before the Mueller report comes out. And what happens is is that began is sitting in his office one morning on Monday morning, and John Kelly, the chief of staff, comes busting in the office and he says Hey, Why didn't you tell me in? McGuinn says, What are you talking about? Why don't you tell me you're leaving and begin says what he says. Chief. Get out of here. I got a lot of I got a lot of work to do. And Kelly says no, No, he said Trump just tweeted that you're leaving. So here is the White House chief of staff. The White House counsel talking about something. The president has just tweeted that they found out about and they looked at the tweet and from the residents. Trump has said that began will be leaving as soon as the Kavanaugh nomination is over. And that's how don began found out that his White House tenure had come to an end. What was McCann's reaction to that? I think for McGann, it was A clear example of Trump sort of wanting the last say wanting to be the one to say that began was going to leave. It had just come out. That began had spent all this time with Mueller's prosecutors and Apparently, Trump had been complaining a lot about this buying closed doors that he didn't appreciate that this had been going on, and he had some concerns about it and Firma gone. It was sort of an example of the way that Trump treats people around him begin had done all these things for the president. He had stopped Trump from hurting himself. He had been in charge of the judges. And I think McGuinn wanted to go out on his own terms and have been talking to trump about that. But here via tweet, he was finding out that he was done. Well, Let's take another short break here. If you're just joining us, My guest is Pulitzer Prize one in Washington correspondent for The New York Times. Michael Schmidt. His new book is called Donald Trump. Versus the United States inside the struggle to stop a president, we'll be right back. This is fresh air. WNYC supporters include absorbing pet there. Santa Pet Pet Safe sanitizer is designed to kill germs and bacteria living on the coat.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on WNYC 93.9 FM
"I'm Terry Gross. There are still many unanswered questions about Donald Trump's personal and business ties to Russia and whether that has compromised him and made him a threat to national security. The Mueller investigation did not report any such ties. But a new book by my guest, Michael Schmidt, reveals that the Justice Department secretly took steps to curtail an investigation into Trump's longstanding personal and business ties to Russia. This is just one of the revelations in Schmitz new book, Donald Trump versus the United States inside the struggle to stop a president. A struggle referred to in the title is the efforts of some of Trump's top aides and officials and the executive branch to prevent Trump from abusing his power and violating the law. Schmidt says. These are individuals who were uncertain whether Trump was acting in the interest of his country, his ego, his family business or Russia. A book focuses on two figures who stood up to Trump, former FBI director James Comey and former White House counsel Don McGahn began became a chief witness against Trump in the Mueller investigation. Paco Schmidt is a Washington correspondent for The New York Times. He's broken several major stories about Trump and has won two Pulitzer Prizes. His new book is based on over 1000 documents from across the federal government that had never been made public before. As well as hundreds of hours of interviews with current and former senior government officials and others outside the government involved with the story. Michael Schmidt, welcome back to fresh air. Can you explain what then acting Attorney General Rod Rosenstein did to curtail an investigation into Donald Trump's personal business connections to Russia. To understand this. We have to go back to may of 2017. That's the time for all of this. Investigating of Trump begins. Trump fires Comey. The FBI takes the extraordinary decision of opening up a two pronged investigation into the president. Did the president obstruct justice in the firing? And is the president. A counterintelligence threat. To the United States because of his long standing personal and business ties to the country. Is the president potentially compromised by this adversary. And what happens is is that the FBI does this unilaterally and the acting FBI director acting because Comey just been fired goes Intel's Rosenstein this And Rosenstein is taken aback by this, he wonders. How is it that the FBI can open up such A monumental investigation on the president. And the acting FBI director Andrew McCabe. Is pushing Rosenstein to appoint a special counsel. To conduct this investigation. In the broader investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election. Rosenstein. Takes that move. He appoints Mueller. McCabe sits down brief smaller on these investigations into Trump. And McKay believes Based on the fact that Rosenstein is not raising any questions. That Mueller will head off and conduct these investigations. That McKay believes are the most important ones he's ever opened in his life. Into the president. But what McCabe did not know at the time. Is that when Rosenstein sits down with Mueller to tell him What to do to essentially tasked him. He says. Go conduct a criminal investigation. Into the 2016 election interference. And what that did was. Is it set Mueller on a path? To conduct a criminal investigation. And the counter intelligence question the questions about Trump's long standing ties to Russia. That part does not get done. What Rosenstein never told McCabe. Why do you think Rosenstein never told McCabe? Well, I think there's a couple of reasons. The first is that Rosenstein thought that the FBI was acting far too hastily. He thought that they had moved too quickly and that there was not enough evidence to take such a big move to investigate whether the president Was working for our foreign adversary. The second thing is that he thought McCabe may have conflicts of interests. The FBI was reeling, Comey had just been fired. The President had attacked McCabe's wife publicly. For money that a campaign she had run for a state office in Virginia had taken And he thinks that the FBI is essentially out of control. And What he doesn't do is he doesn't go back to them and say, Hey, you know that investigation that you open that you guys believe is the most consequential national security investigation you've opened in your lives. I don't think there's enough there. And the issue isn't really litigated. So Rosenstein ended up engineering thing so that no one was looking into. Donald Trump's personal and business ties to Russia and whether he posed a threat to national security. Was that his intention? Do you think to prevent anyone from looking into it? Outside of journalists? Of course there was eventually the you know the intelligence committees, but But just in terms of you know, I don't know what you're saying. What you're saying is this you're saying If we're in watching this story, there's probably no one better to go do that investigation than Robert Mueller. So why is it that Robert Mueller didn't do this? Why is it that Rosenstein wouldn't want him to do this? Let's try and look at it from Rosenstein's perspective. Rosenstein had been a part of Ken Starr's investigation had studied what Ken Starr's investigation had done. And did not want this to turn into a fishing expedition. He was not convinced. That there was enough here to take Donald Trump's life. Dating back decades, his business ties sprawled out across the globe and look at them. To see in every little nook and cranny, whether they're wass. Some type of Russia connection. And he wanted this to be done quickly, and he wanted it to be done in the criminal investigative form, and he sent Mueller on that path. Do you think that many people assumed that the absence of evidence of Trump's personal and business ties to Russia as reported By the Mueller investigation proved that there was no problem with those ties..
Trump and his physician deny he had "mini-strokes"
"Into the mini stroke. Situation. And as I was recounting before we took the top of the hour break, I was prompting you to remember last fall. When the president had this little Walter Reed excursion. It was unannounced and remember. That Trump's White House physician, Dr Sean Conley, He hustled the president into a limo and rode with him to the hospital. Remember that? The one house said at the time that the weekend visit was to begin his routine annual exam. But there was another break from protocol because nobody at Walter Reed was advised that the president was coming and it wasn't on. Trump's schedule, typically any type of visit. It's on the schedule. The press is alerted, sometimes even a day in advance. And then nobody. Walter Reed knew the president was coming. So that added to the intrigue added to the mystery. White House pool reporters said that they were told that Trump's movements that Saturday was strictly One reportable. Quickly on reportable. Until he arrived at the hospital, so they weren't supposed to report anything until he got to the hospital. That was a 2 47 PM now despite the irregularities in the White House press office, they released a statement afterward. Saying that Trump was merely taking advantage of a free weekend here in Washington to start his physical because he's anticipating a very busy 2020. Right. That's what the White House said fast forward. And we have a new book coming out. By Michael Schmidt. Of the New York types, not not Schmidt. But Schmidt. And that's a C H m i d t. And of course I'm s C h and I t t. And in this book, this Schmidt Dude reports that Vice President Mike Pence. Was told to be on standby to assume. Presidential powers during Trump's Rather abrupt visit toe. Walter Reed and Schmidt writes, quote this from the book. In the hours leading up to Trump's trip to the hospital. Word went out in the West Wing for the vice president to be ready to be on standby to take over the powers of the presidency temporarily if Trump had to undergo a procedure. That would have required him to be anesthetized. Now, clearly if you just want to take advantage of getting a jump on your Physical. I don't see a need that the V P would have to be notified that he could be assuming powers. And why the hell would you have to be a anesthetized if you just pop it so things that didn't add up And now you have this passage from the book? And is this true or is this false? Based on what we know of the book at this point. Schmidt doesn't speculate. What procedure could have been under consideration. So if this is accurate, what the hell could have been going on? What could trump have been? So potentially under the need for anesthesia in what would potentially put Mike Pence. In the in the chair. A Zach Ting president while the president was under, for instance. What, So we don't know? We also don't know what his sourcing for the information about the hospital visit is But here's where it gets a little bit weird. That mortar the story your folks It's a little strange here. The response for President Trump. This morning. He denied suffering a Siri's of many strokes. And it's strange. Strange here. It's It's odd because Steve Schmidt or Ah, sorry, Michael Schmidt, rather Michael Schmidt in the book. Hey. Never stated that Trump had suffered any small or many Schroecksnadel. So here's the president denying that he suffered a Siri's of many strokes. Based on the details of this book coming out and the trip to Walter Reed, but No. Where did this Michael Schmidt bring up? Many strokes. Or TIA, or whatever. So Schmitz book doesn't get specific. But Trump did get specific. And this is what the president tweeted out this morning. It never ends. Now They're trying to say that your favorite president me went toe Walter Reed Medical Center, having suffered a Siri's of many strokes. Never happened to this candidate. Fake news. Perhaps they're referring to another candidate from another party exclamation point. I just thought why did President Trump bring up? Many stroke when the reporter and the author of the book doesn't make any mention Of a stroke or even suggesting anything close. So that's where the story gets a little odd that an hour later, Schmidt responded to the president in a tweet of his own and he wrote Book says nothing about many strokes.
White House physician says Trump healthy after 'mini-strokes' remark
"After a statement comes out from the White House doctor about the president's health. President. Trump's physician, Dr Sean Conley, says in a statement that the president did not suffer from or was evaluated for a stroke, a mini stroke or any quote acute cardiovascular emergencies. This after President Trump wrote on Twitter that some people are claiming that he made that unannounced trip to Walter Reed. Military hospital last November because he had a series of mini strokes which the president in his tweet denies. New York Times reporter Michael Schmidt reportedly writes in his new book that Ahead of that Trump trip to the hospital president hence was put on standby to take over the powers of the presidency. If Mr Trump needed to be in Estes eyes, Schmidt wrote on Twitter Tuesday that his book does not say anything about the president and mini strokes. Karen Travers. ABC
Trump knew about whistleblower complaint when he released Ukraine aid
"A new story landed from the New York Times according to the newspaper. President trump has already been briefed on the whistle blowers complaint complaint when he released the congressionally approved military aid do Ukraine. It's under triple byline. That includes Michael Schmidt who standing by to join us in just a moment. He and his colleagues write quote lawyers from the White House. Counsel's office told Mr Trump in late August about the whistleblower complaint explaining planing that they were trying to determine whether they were legally required to give it to Congress. The revelation likely shed some light on Mr Trump's thinking at two critical article points under scrutiny by impeachment investigators his decision in early September to release three hundred ninety one million insecurity assistance to Ukraine and his denial ambassador around the same time that there was no quid pro quo with Kiev. Remember trump was so clear when talking with Gordon Sunland on that
"michael schmidt" Discussed on MSNBC Morning Joe
"But again, we'll just put that to the side and bring in Michael Schmidt right now, Michael why now. Talk about developing the story. And why is it that here we are at the beating of two thousand nineteen that you finally had enough to go with the story. Well, in many ways, it's something that we've been trying to understand for a year and a half since the investigation was launched in may of twenty seventeen to sort of understand the contours of it. We were helped along the way by testimony that had been provided to congress by the FBI general counsel is top lawyer at the time who talked about how the firing of Komi. So unnerved the FBI they did not understand what was going on. They knew there was this larger rush investigation. They knew that. There was a possibility that the president was trying to interfere with it. And if he was trying to interfere with the Russian election. What were what was motivating that? What was driving that was that his tenacious to Russia? There had been these questions about what he said about. Russia on the campaign trail, the FBI knew about his trip during these for the Miss Universe pageant to Russia. They knew about the Steele dossier, and they took that historic momentous decision in may of twenty seventeen to open the investigation, which was then taken over just days later by Bob Muller when he was appointed special counsel. So Michael Tom Nichols wrote for the USA today that it actually would've been surprising given all of the strange behavior exhibited by the president during his campaign on this show, actually and December of two thousand fifteen moving forward and through the first couple years of his presidency. He actually said that it would have been strange had the FBI not made an inquiry into whether there was any connection between Russia and Donald Trump that might impact America's national security. Can you tell me what sort of division? There was inside the bureau. Whether this should be launched or not. Well, the bureau was sort of looking at two questions. They're looking at a question of obstruction, simple, criminals. -struction was the president breaking the law by trying to interfere with the investigation. And then the counter intelligence question, the national security question, something that would not usually result in a criminal charge. But trying to answer what are his ties in wise. He acting that way. It is true. He did do a lot of things before may of twenty seventeen that led them made investigators very suspicious. The problem is is that to open up an investigation on the president. You have to clear a particularly high bar as we've seen it creates a lot of problems for the president. When you do that. So you better have enough evidence in feel good about what you're doing before you go forward with that. It was the firing of Komi that led them to that point that made them feel comfortable to open an investigation into right? But Michael the question is was there. Significant dissent within the FBI to open the investigation or did did most of the people that had that decision basically in their hands. Did most of them agree that this is something that they needed to look into. I think that this is something that they thought for much of the spring of twenty seventeen they needed to look into. I think they were in agreement after the Komi firing that they had to go ahead and do that. I do not know what the reaction was by senior Justice department officials like rod Rosenstein at the time that it was opened the FBI had gone ahead and done this on their own. You also I think we sometimes forget what was going on the larger context of the Justice department of time rod Rosenstein, the deputy general the person who was overseeing the Russian investigation. Hey, just provided the president with the rationale for firing Komi that was not the president's real reason for getting rid of him and the FBI looked at that very skeptically as well. So they see all of these things going on..
"michael schmidt" Discussed on NBC Meet the Press
"But the obstruction itself would hurt our ability to figure out what the Russians had done, and that is what would be the threat to national security. It led you to write that the collusion question. And the obstruction question are now the same thing collusion is obstruction in vice versa. Explain well, so as Mike just described we had sort of thought of the obstruction investigation as this kind of separate criminal investigation that arose at the time of the firing in other words that you had this underlying election interference investigation going on this so called collusion investigation. Then the president comes along and kneecaps the investigation by firing the FBI director and a few weeks later, we learned that Bob Muller is investigating the weather. That's obstruction of Justice crime the significance of Mike's an Adam Goldman story is that it forces you to re imagine the how the FBI understood what it was doing which has Mike just said, and as the quote that you read from from Jim Baker reflects was we had this investigation for national security reasons of Russian active. Vity then somebody on the US side, the president of the United States took some action that kind of looks like they're trying to shut down the investigation that raises national security concerns about the weather. We will be able to find out what the Russians were doing whether we will be able to stop what the Russians were doing. So the bureau understood appears to have understood what happened in terms of whether the president was working with the Russians that's a very different thing. And it collapses the obstruction inquiry into that larger collusion inquiry. So Michael it made me think of another scoop of yours about how say month ago six weeks ago where you had rod Rosenstein, supposedly saying should I wear a wire talking about the twenty fifth amendment. And the question is was he serious was at just sarcasm when you open a counterintelligence investigation on the president United States. You have an FBI it's going to get sign off the Justice. One would assume it came from rod Rosenstein since he was overseeing. But is that where this may have come from when they're trying to figure out should I wear a wire with they're trying to figure out how do you investigate the sitting president United States? They were struggling with that in these two stories take us inside. Let us see what the FBI and the Justice department were looking at in this critical period of time a little more than a week in may of twenty seventeen Komi has just been fired. The FBI is thinks there could be this huge threat coming from them Rosenstein had just provided Trump with a rationale for firing Komi that wasn't Trump's rationale. So the FBI is looking at Rosenstein, who's overseeing the investigation skeptically. So they were not trusting him at that time. He had just provided incorrect or a not what the president's rationale was for the firing. He's supposed to be overseeing the investigation. So they're sitting there. They know there's this larger investigate. Action into Russia thing. No, there are these questions about the election, and they are struggling to figure out what to do. And it is in that context that they open this investigation. All right, legally, the obstruction question has always been you can't indicted sitting president, maybe they can't even interview him about his actions as a sitting president. But if it's part of a counterintelligence does that give Muller better shot at having the president and having it being upheld? So I don't think it affects the likelihood that a subpoena would be would have legs one way or the other. I do think it will profoundly it should profoundly condition. Our expectations of what Muller's report is gonna look like meaning so much more damning well, much much more of a continuous story. As in the Russians did this stuff to influence the election. And here are all the things that we investigated on the US side that May June done in support. Sort of that people lying people doing x y and z president trying to shut down our investigation. I think I think it provides a through narrative potentially to the report that is potentially quite profound. Michael schmidt. Ben witness Shitu trying to help us out here. Basically now instead of Trump is the hub and everything else is the spoke Russia's the hub Trump's spoke Russia, full, stop Veritas, you guys when we come back does President Trump hoped the government shutdown will deflect attention from the Russian destination..
"michael schmidt" Discussed on NBC Meet the Press
"It's it's got we've got to protect them investigation. You're right. I was very worried about this in in two thousand sixteen because the president took a public stage in July and encouraged Russia to cyber hack the election at the same time as my son in his entire battalion were deployed helping allies on the border of Russia. Protect themselves against Russian aggression. I found that highly unusual for any American much less somebody who wanted to be president. But now what we have is more nearly one hundred documented instances of ties between the Trump campaign transition and administration with Russia bazaar failure to be honest about meetings. And now this. Education. The President Trump has gone to unusual lengths to hide the content discussions with Vladimir Putin. But the right answer as you suggest it is to protect the Muller investigation at all costs. Let it gets to its end. Make sure that the results are made. Are you concerned side? Are you concerned though that the FBI look like at overreacted in trying to investigate a sitting president this? This is a pretty alarming investigation that the city president was acting against the interests of of the United States of America. Well, I flip the question around shock. I think it's less did the FBI overreact. I think the question is this they had to have a very deep level of concern about this president to take this staff. And that's again, why we need to protect the Muller investigation. And I think that's going to be a critical issue in the judiciary committee hearings about the attorney general nominee would you guarantee to protect this investigation. And will you make sure that the American public and congress get the results of it? Senator Tim Kaine. Democrat from Virginia. I have to let you go there. Thanks for coming on onto views. Scher absolute. When we come back. We're going to have more on that story about Russia. The FBI and President Trump talked to Michael Schmidt. He's one of the New York Times. Reporters broke the story in NBC news legal analyst Benowitz on why this store maybe even bigger than. Welcome back. We're going to dig a little deeper into the New York Times story about President Trump and Russia, frankly, we think it deserves an explainer. So with me now, Michael Schmidt, one of the reporters who broke the story about the counterintelligence investigation into whether Mr. Trump as sitting president was working as an agent for Russian. We also have been with us. He's an NBC news legal analyst editor in chief of the national security. Bog law actually worked with Mr Schmitt on this story, gentlemen? Welcome to both of you. So michael. Walk us through the piece here the designation is a counterintelligence investigation. We've always thought of the Komi firing and the Muller aspect is simply obstruction of Justice as sort of separate, but we're calling counterintelligence and it's a bit confusing. Why? So it was a two pronged investigation. It had a criminal aspect did the president break the law in trying to obstruct the investigation interfere with it and this other Russia question, and it's important as as you said because our collective understanding was much narrower. It was just on instruction did the president break the law there. And now, we know that it was for broader at had national security concerns. The FBI was afraid that the firing of Komi was a way to help the Russians. Stop the FBI from figuring out what they did in the election. Are they is this still a counterintelligence investigation to whether Mr. Trump himself is acting as a Russian agent. That with the Muller probe inherited. We know the Muller probe inherited it, we know the Muller profe- spent an enormous amount of time trying to figure out what the president has done in office in regards to the investigation his interference with if talked all these White House officials do we know if there is still this belief in aspect at the president's working for the Russians I can't answer that. All right been. This was all the base sort of not of the scoop by the time it was based on testimony by now a former FBI general counsel James Baker. And this is what he told congress. And this was in the New York Times story about why viewed it as counterintelligence he said this not only would it be an issue of obstructing investigation..
"michael schmidt" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"What should the democratic response to be? We should invoke section five of the national emergency act, which was put in place explicitly after Watergate because Nixon abused the emergency section five allows the house of representatives to overturn through a joint resolution, the president's emergency. The Senate would have fifteen days to vote on it. I would assume that the Senate would not vote for the emergency based on all these conversations. All right, congressman row Khanna of California. Thank you for coming by tonight. Thank you. All right. We have some breaking news that I've just been handed the New York Times reporting that after President Trump fired FBI director James Comey back in two thousand seventeen get this the FBI opened an investigation into whether the president was secretly working on behalf of Russia against American interests. They write quote agents and senior FBI officials had grown suspicious of Mr. Trump's ties to Russia during the two thousand sixteen campaign but held off on opening an investigation into him. The people said in part because they were uncertain how to proceed with an inquiry of such sensitivity magnitude, the president's activities before and after Mr. Comey's firing in may twenty seventeen particularly two instances in which Mr. Trump tied. The Komi dismissal to the Russia investigation helped prompt the counter intelligence aspect of the inquiry. The people said joining me now by phone one of the reporters who broke that story York Times, Washington correspondent reporter and. MSNBC critter. Michael schmidt. Michael. What can you tell me about this story? Our collective understanding understanding of the Trump investigation. The Muller investigation of Trump has been focused for the past year and a half on the question of criminal obstruction. Did the president of struck Justice? We're reporting tonight is that the investigation initially at least after Comey was fired which was much bigger than that. It was also looking at the question of Trump's ties to Russia. What was he trying?.
Rod Rosenstein, Mr President Rosenstein and President discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"If the president is still looking for a pretext to fire rod Rosenstein who of course overseas the Robert Mueller investigation. So if he was gonna fire Rosenstein, he could install somebody else in that job to try to make them Muller investigation. Go away more on that later. If that was the goal here, the declassification gambit does not seem to have worked. The president does not seem to have had the, let's call it wherewithal to go ahead without plant. That was this morning, and then this happened. Hours after the president climbed down on that declassification thing. The New York Times decided to do this quote, rod Rosenstein suggested secretly recording Trump and disgust, twenty fifth amendment deputy attorney, general rod Rosenstein suggested last year that he secretly record, President Trump in the White House to expose the chaos, consuming the administration. And he discussed recruiting cabinet members to invoke the twenty fifth amendment to remove Mr. Trump from office for being unfit. This article today from Adam Goldman and Michael Schmidt at the New York Times has led to exactly what you would expect gleeful insistent calls on the right, including from some of the president's closest advisers at the Fox News channel that this is it. Forget all of the other efforts. We've come up with the try to fire rod Rosenstein, these other efforts that failed forget all the other efforts that failed to create a pretext to fire rod Rosenstein. You can fire him now Mr President Rosenstein overseas. Muller investigation. You wanna get rid of the molar investigation. You got to get rid of rod Rosenstein. Here's your way to do it site. This New York Times piece and fire him nail. Rosenstein was going to, why are you? Why are himself? Why are other officials going in to spy on you in the White House? Rosenstein was going to organize the cabinet to use the twenty fifth amendment to out you from office. He was. Since the New York Times posted the story this afternoon, there reporters are definitely standing by what they have published, but both NBC news and the Washington Post published their own versions of this story. Which fundamentally contradict the whole point of the New York Times reporting. The times is insisting that rod Rosenstein seriously proposed wearing a wire surreptitiously recording the president inside the White House as part of a serious plot to prove the president's incompetence and get him out of office. The time says their sources for that information or people who were briefed on the fact that rod Rosenstein had said that to other officials and sources who were briefed on a memo that another f. b. i. official fired deputy director. Andrew McCabe supposedly wrote about this proposal from rod Rosenstein. Those are their sources. NBC news in the Washington Post, however, say, as of this afternoon that they, each of these news organizations has a source that was actually in the room when rod Rosenstein supposedly made this proposal and their source who, again was in the room, says that when this happened rod Rosenstein was quite obviously being sarcastic.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"Right hold that thought joining us now is michael schmidt he's a pulitzer prize winning reporter for the new york times who is frankly on a roll this week today broke the the news that the president is getting a new lawyer ty cobb is leaving replacing him as emmet flood a lawyer who among other things helped with the president's defense during the impeachment effort against then president bill clinton michael schmidt reporting today quote at flood is expected to take a more adversarial approach to the investigation then mr cobb did michael schmidt thank you for being here much appreciated thanks for him what do you mean by more adversarial approach will the thing about cobb was his approach was cooperation cooperation cooperation he took the president at his word that the president say he did nothing wrong and he said look the sooner we give them all the documents is sooner we allow people to speak with muller the faster this will be over the sooner the cloud will be lifted if you remember it was tied cobb who was saying at the end of last year it was sort of this rolling thing the investigations going to be over by thanksgiving it's gonna be what by christmas new year etc here we are in may tuykov cobb is out in the investigation obviously still goes on the way that tie cobb left today doesn't seem to have matched with the white house explanation for how he left mr cobb sang that it was a planned roll out the white house adjusting that it's has been on deck for a few weeks and this is some sort of orderly process mr cobb though doing a long interview this morning right up until the two hours before you posted your story where he never mentioned it never came up give no indication that he was on his way out do you have any clearer sense of whether he jumped or if he was pushed.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams
"By copying a guy joe digenova is our friends over at the new york times michael schmidt and maggie haberman or on the board i'll read just the first three graphs because this was just handed to me president trump's legal team was poised for a shakeup on monday according to people briefed on the matter as he openly discussed firing one of his lawyers another considered resigning and a third who pushed theories on television that mr trump was framed by the fbi joined the roster mr trump has weighed allowed in recent days to close associates weather to dismiss his lawyer tycom who had pushed most strongly a strategy of cooperating fully with the special counsel investigation here's where it gets interesting the president reassured mr cobb that he had no plans to fire according to a person who spoke with the president late monday in part to prevent a narrative that his team was in disarray after the new york times began making inquiries mr trump's lead lawyer john dowd had contemplated leaving his post because he had concluded he has no control over the behavior of the president the two people briefed on the matter said ignoring his lawyers advise mr trump has reverted to a more aggressive strategy and so on so tamra there you have it what could possibly go wrong yeah as someone who has covered this white house this is a familiar narrative applied not just to the legal team but also to various white house aides it's why you've had such an incredible level of turnover both in the president's cabinet and in his top aides in the white house like off the charts historically unprecedented amounts of turnover president trump.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on The 11th Hour with Brian Williams
"Special counsel robert muller zeroing in on president trump's business interests in this newspaper war going back and forth like a pendulum the new york times reporters maggie haberman and michael schmidt report muller is using his subpoena power to demand documents including some related to russia from the trump organization they write in part quote the order is the first known instance of the special counsel demanding records directly related to president trump's businesses the breadth of the subpoena was not clear nor was it clear why mr muller issued it instead of simply asking for the documents the subpoena is the latest indication that the investigation which mr trump's lawyers once regularly assured him would be completed by now will drag on for at least several more months back in july the president spoke with maggie haberman and michael schmidt about this exact legal scenario listen as your finances to russia is that guam but that'd be a breach of what his actual obviously i would say is i can't i can't answer that question because i don't think it's going to happen in today's white house briefing the white house was asked about the new york times report and if the president still consider this investigation of his finances crossing a red line as we've maintained all along and as the president has said numerous times there was no collusion between the campaign and russia for specific questions regarding the trump organization i would refer you to them we're going to continue to fully cooperate out of respect for the special counsel we're not going to comment.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on Katie Couric
"You know 100 percent look at his interview slower than of your michael schmidt where he said no collusion fifty times in about five minutes listen to how we rambles go back and look at him being interviewed in 1989 on the today show and compare that donald trump to the donald trump being interviewed by timber a certain 2000 on meet the press compare that to donald trump in two thousand seventeen it's not the same man it's not even close and if everybody around him had not said what rex tillerson is said that he's a moron or what gary count another said that he's an idiot it'd be one thing if trump really had a defender in their sink this guy is but while sarah sanders comes out every day and says that it's absolutely folland's falls and stephen miller goes on i can't wait i regime looks yeah and they'll all be the ones saying we were doing everything we could do to save the republic because we knew he wasn't well but knew he would never leave without a bloody constitutional crisis blah blah blah blah blah you know those books are going to read five years from now i thought i see this plain out you know who said that he had a thirty percent chance of completing their man and steve bannon so what are you see happening you guys i think the democrats are gonna win big next year i think our this year i can't imagine he's not going to be impeached after moeller ends his investigation and democrats are in charge of the house and we'll you see what happens in the.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"Russia's recollection so they tell the muller team they tell the investigators they have the right guy he knows what he's talking about he made contemporary news notes he's believable we can corroborate him but the notes themselves are not an exhibit a trial chuck this one other aspect of this that i'd like to ask you about am i have to ask you to tell hold with us for second while we take a quick break but there is this also remarkable news that the president directed his white house counsel to lobby jeff sessions to not recuse himself on this matter i'd like to ask you about that when we come back we can stick with us great chuck rosenberg up former us attorney also a former senior fbi official he'll be back with us in just a moment joining us once again is chuck rosenberg his former us attorneys also worked side by side with former fbi director james comey was his chief of staff at the fbi chuck thank you for sticking with us i really appreciate it tonight uber uber so the opening anecdote the opening what is it recounting the opening of this this bombshell new york times reporting tonight is is this all just read you exactly the way michael schmidt reported it president trump gave firm instructions in march to the white house as top lawyer stopped the attorney general jeff sessions from recusing himself in the justice department's investigation into whether trump associates had helped a russian campaign to disrupt the 2016 election white house counsel don mcgann carried out the president's orders and lobby mr sessions to remain in charge of the inquiry mr mcgann was unsuccessful and the president erupted in anger in front of numerous white house officials saying he needed his attorney general to protect him i don't know enough about how it works within the department of justice within any prosecutorial context in terms of whether or not somebody like an attorney general should be recused on a matter like this is improper for the president to effectively to lobby against his attorney general's rick.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet
"I think as i guess my concern more broadly about this and it really is to your point about other news organizations uncovering what brethren have done or sisters of done is um is this going to just be a lot of firings or are they are actually going to be systemic structural changes uh and it's way too early to know the answer that yet but my fear is that they're just going to be a lot of firings and no real changes do you think i'm going to get a lot of grief for treating you in this interview like michael schmidt treated donald trump and do you think that you treated me like michael spent trader donald trump immaculate that'll knocking answers either okay etc haberman thank you thank you so this is the point in the show where i talk about something in the news that struck me personally and as i mentioned at the top of the show as a professional mad is nothing that has been more important to me as a lawyer then my time at the attorney's office for the southern district of new york and as i was walking over here i got a phone call in which i was told that june came the acting united attorneys being replaced so i have a point to make about the process and then i have a personal point i want to make also first of all was back to process uh as i understand it when it sank confirm united attorney leaves office by whatever mechanism and acting united attorney takes over in this case it was my deputy june kim but at some point that acting status and under the vacancy act and the deadline as i understand it for acting united attorneys many of whom took over when the senate confirmed was attorneys were asked to leave last march.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on Stay Tuned with Preet
"Ending the way that interview unfold in it and you know the the the crux of it is there was an interview in which michael schmidt asked a lot of questions of the president excerpts of that or maybe the whole interview available to read a transcript of and the critics have said will michael schmidt your colleague didn't push back very much and went out from some things that were arguably untrue as is his wont there was no you know a how moment there was no push back on it and donald trump was allowed to spout whatever he was pounding us the critical side you have taken the view that the of the interview was a good one explain why why say that so i have taken yes i have take me the view that the interview as good one but i have also taken the view gis to be clear that i think he acquitted himself fine in the interview i mean really needed michael getting there were two different i come had resorted worst seller you gotta ask an hansie what you did there the i think these are two separate things i think whether it was a quote unquote good interview is more subjective opinion ryan that depends on whether people thought they learned something new or whether it of an eye now i think the president of the united states saying i can do whatever i want with the justice department is kind of the big deal meyers of right but schmidt was getting attacked in a way that i found really unseemly it was um because it wasn't while i don't like how this interview was conducted are always think these questions are you know our two soft it was that everybody went immediately from point a to point z or point q but it was you know he's trying to preserve as access like what access he's not a white house reporter like he's not on the white house team like this is not it's just anyway and it was an impromptu interview that he didn't expect to get he came with no notes the question of live fact checking as generally speaking been the province of television interviews now i would say that is a little different these days because we've all been running the trump transcripts and.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on 1A
"But it it does feel like something is calm down except for the fact that than we had this week of transcripts of the president's conversations with the prime minister of australia as well as the president of mexico so it's sort of it feels calmer but when we saw that yesterday i was like oh the leaks haven't quite stopped yet michael schmidt we know that president trump likes his generals but how much do we how much do we see the john kelly's military background factors directly into him becoming the chief of staff and into the work that he's doing at least in his first week first i don't think the idea that kelly skin i don't think kelly's going to change the president the president is is seventy one year old grown man that has led companies in his leading the country in the idea that he's going to change him i think there's a thank you just find that hard to believe what i found interesting was that kelly has been on these phone calls with between the president and cabinet members and kelly's listening in on them and it sounds a bit like a adult supervision in a sense in a way of sort of providing a backstop there but i saw that is an interesting way of kelly sort of asserting himself but you have to wonder how long trump will tolerate that in will he truly respect kelly will he truly allow kelly to tell him when he is wrong or tell him things like that and if kelly does that does he bring on his end faster selena's he though i wonder what your read is in terms of john kelly's role in the white house and just the image of the white house in general i mean i've i've only had the pleasure of meeting mr kelly once we interviewed him on this program a few months ago he has a strong bearing and a powerful presence to say the very least does that help inspire some confidence in just the operation of white house his presence there.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on MSNBC Morning Joe
"Or the miss universe pageant me at his sons prove him to be dishonest ruined don jr said back in two thousand eight that the overwhelming majority of money they get is from russia eric trump in an interview talking about investment in golf courses said russians love investing in their golf courses it's it's crazy that he's saying that the miss universe pageant the only connection that he's had but michael schmidt it's again is if donald trump not only does it know how washington works but hasn't been looking at history for the 71 years that he's been on this planet spiro agnew wasn't sent to jail or wasn't wasn't indicted and and and and basically run out of the white house because of watergate they started investigating and they found out that he actually had been hadn't been paying the taxes he was supposed to pay we we don't even after talk about bill clinton we know where that investigation ended up based on where it sorted and right here bob moeller is not going to put chinese walls up between all these different areas of inquiry he's looking at everything is any yet you raise a great point what happens with the special councils is that they turnover every rock and they look at everything because what they don't want to happen is that the snow close up shop eventually and then it comes out that there's something that they miss the end up looking at everything in applying the laws in ways that sometimes they aren't normally applied in normal situations and what became clear yesterday from our interview with trump was it he's.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on The Fifth Column
"And as bannon rails and rails and rails against the nsa in the fake news he constantly is texting with reporters that i know and giving them stuff and like i mean he understands exactly it was all he wouldn't be giving them things you're going to totally bastardize is so it's peter bakker peter baker michaels mission as michael schmidt and maggie haberman all three of whom have done very very good stuff and i'll just read the lead everyone will be familiar with it probably by by tomorrow but president trump said on wednesday that he never would've appointed attorney general jeff sessions had he known mr sessions recused himself from overseeing the russia investigation that has dogged his presidency calling the decision quote very unfair to the president and i presume that he's being in the third person and talking about himself and his costanza like way in a remarkable public break with one of his earliest political supporters mr trump complained that mr sessions decision ultimately led to the appointment of a special council that should not have happened sessions should have never accused himself who is going to recuse himself he should have told me before he did before he took the job and i will pick somebody this guy is really something else is president a couple of things before we throw that out there to view guys are you going to applaud him for his for his honesty i mean it's kind of great in a way rushing its current refreshing as i said is like headline known that any of this would have happened in the future i wouldn't have done it that's what like everyone who gets divorce no woman has this leg repair owners regular but the the thing that's amazing about this in the first thing that i thought and i said to you actually is uh somebody like stephen miller who who is basically the guy who writes the poland's speech about the west ease the guy who wrote the inauguration speech along with bannon and trump he's kind of the brain of that of that kind of a national list.
"michael schmidt" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"Although mr colmey testified that he only leak the memos in response to a tweet the public record reveals that the new york times was quoting from those memos the day before the referenced tweet nope exactly wrong not at all one hundred percent failure i've obviously a lot of the importance of james comey's testimony today in the importance of him as a figure in the scandal is about what he says happen versus what the president says happen and you have to decide who to believe but this from the president's brand new lawyer in that there's a new york times story proving james comey lied about when he shared the memo with the press in why that is categorically not true it's a big swing any big obvious miss and that does not bode well for a president who may end up needing serious legal help some time very soon joining us now is a key person who was never named in the senate hearing today he's the reporter who broke the story about the komi memo last month he is also the reporter who wrote the story about reported evidence of communication between russia and the trump campaign during the campaign his name is michael schmidt new york times reporter mr schmit you without a wheel of the day thank you for being here tonight thanks for having me i appreciated the rundown was killed and it's it's been a busy month thank you get you've been you've been doing a lot of work on that on that last point i on that time line is did i basically get that time line correct it seems to me that the the president's lawyer just sort bluiett just got that backwards state is that the way you understand it as well i've tried to make this point over the past few weeks and i and i and this really illustrated the tweet is what causes what happened today colmey sees that tweet in says wow there may be a way to back this up i really need to get this out there and that is the reason why we knew that trump asked him to end the flynn investigation and that's why we had the hearing today it's just another example of the president's tweets undermining it.